| --- Log opened Fri Dec 01 00:00:38 2006 | ||
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| snapcount | here you go perlDreamer | 00:01 |
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| snapcount | http://search.cpan.org/~bingos/POE-Component-IRC-5.14/lib/POE/Component/IRC.pm | 00:01 |
| snapcount | an IRC module for POE | 00:01 |
| +perlDreamer | so instead of plugging it into webgui, we'd plug it into spectre | 00:02 |
| +perlDreamer | that's doable | 00:02 |
| snapcount | this one looks easier | 00:04 |
| snapcount | http://search.cpan.org/~jmuhlich/Net-IRC-0.75/IRC.pm | 00:04 |
| snapcount | trouble is that I don't know POE and I don't know the IRC protocol | 00:04 |
| snapcount | two requirements to use the first one | 00:05 |
| +perlDreamer | if we plug it into Spectre, then it could log _any_ IRC channel. If we don't we'd have to run _some_ daemon to log data before it's displayed. | 00:05 |
| snapcount | the POE version would be ideal | 00:05 |
| snapcount | it could trigger events in WebGUI like updating the IRC chat wobject | 00:06 |
| snapcount | to show the message that was just typed | 00:06 |
| +perlDreamer | webgui: change admin password to '456rty'; | 00:06 |
| +perlDreamer | webgui: commit all version tags | 00:06 |
| snapcount | heh | 00:07 |
| +perlDreamer | that last one isn't so bad | 00:07 |
| +perlDreamer | imagine a WSDL interface into WebGUI. | 00:07 |
| snapcount | that would be sweet | 00:07 |
| snapcount | no browser requirement | 00:08 |
| +perlDreamer | Dial 533 to remove this user's account | 00:08 |
| snapcount | yep | 00:08 |
| +perlDreamer | so, while y'all are here | 00:08 |
| snapcount | please deposit $0.25 to add this asset and press 1 | 00:08 |
| +perlDreamer | I need to know enough about SharePoint to convince my friend not to use it for his company. | 00:08 |
| +perlDreamer | He needs something better than "Duh, it's open source and free" | 00:09 |
| snapcount | have you looked at cmsmatrix? | 00:09 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 00:09 |
| +perlDreamer | it's not convincing, try the comparison yourself. | 00:09 |
| +perlDreamer | hosters are selling SharePoint accounts for $60/month. | 00:09 |
| +perlDreamer | btw, I think the PlainBlack one is a little out of date. | 00:10 |
| +perlDreamer | We haven't had SMB authentication for a long time. | 00:10 |
| snapcount | tell Vrby... he's the matrix overlord | 00:10 |
| +perlDreamer | does perlbot have a memorize command? | 00:11 |
| +perlDreamer | perlbot: help | 00:11 |
| perlbot | (fact)::tell (who) about (what)::(what) > (who)::learn (what) as (info)::relearn (fact) as (info)::phone (phone number)::shorten (url)::shorten it::search (module)::docs (module)::perldoc -f (function)::jargon (term)::math::fortune::flip::host (type) (record)::rot13::roll (die)::tempconv (temp)::scramble (foo)::8ball::slap::diss::what time is it::top/bottom (number) karma::geoip (ip) | 00:11 |
| +perlDreamer | perlbot: learn (Vrby is the matrix overlord) as (vrby) | 00:12 |
| perlbot | added (Vrby to the database | 00:12 |
| +perlDreamer | perlbot: vrby | 00:12 |
| +perlDreamer | perlbot: docs POE::Component::IRC | 00:12 |
| perlbot | Documentation for 'POE::Component::IRC' can be found here: http://xrl.us/tkbq | 00:12 |
| snapcount | perlbot diss snapcount | 00:12 |
| perlbot | snapcount is my little bitch. | 00:12 |
| snapcount | ouch | 00:12 |
| +perlDreamer | lol | 00:13 |
| +perlDreamer | perlbot:: perldoc -f open | 00:13 |
| +perlDreamer | perlbot: perldoc -f open | 00:14 |
| perlbot | Documentation for '-f open' can be found here: http://tinyurl.com/yxzkan | 00:14 |
| +perlDreamer | perlbot: help learn | 00:15 |
| +perlDreamer | perlbot: define vrby : vrby is the matrix overlord | 00:18 |
| perlbot | added define vrby : vrby to the database | 00:18 |
| +perlDreamer | perlbot: vrby | 00:18 |
| +perlDreamer | perlbot: define vrby | 00:19 |
| +perlDreamer | hmmmmm..... | 00:19 |
| +perlDreamer | perlbot: tell snapcount about vrby | 00:20 |
| perlbot | vrby isn't something I know about, perlDreamer | 00:20 |
| +perlDreamer | perlbot: vrby is the matrix overlord | 00:20 |
| perlbot | added vrby to the database | 00:20 |
| +perlDreamer | perlbot: tell snapcount about vrby | 00:21 |
| snapcount | he priv messaged me | 00:21 |
| +perlDreamer | he needs a good user manual | 00:21 |
| +perlDreamer | perlbot, not vrby | 00:21 |
| +perlDreamer | I understand that Mrs. Vrby is quite good at getting Mr. Vrby to do the things she needs. | 00:21 |
| snapcount | hehe | 00:22 |
| snapcount | something cool is about to happen | 00:22 |
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| snapcount | hi snapbot | 00:22 |
| snapbot | I am a traffic light, and Alan Ginsberg kidnapped my laundry in 1927! | 00:22 |
| snapcount | yo | 00:23 |
| snapcount | snapbot | 00:23 |
| snapbot | Just walk along and try NOT to think about your INTESTINES being almost FORTY YARDS LONG!! | 00:23 |
| snapcount | snapbot roxors | 00:23 |
| snapbot | I have a VISION! It's a RANCID double-FISHWICH on an ENRICHED BUN!! | 00:23 |
| snapcount | alrighty then | 00:23 |
| snapcount | Net::IRC works | 00:23 |
| +perlDreamer | s n a p b o t | 00:24 |
| snapcount | snapbot | 00:24 |
| snapbot | My pants just went on a wild rampage through a Long Island Bowling Alley!! | 00:24 |
| snapcount | snapbot | 00:24 |
| snapbot | Is it FUN to be a MIDGET? | 00:24 |
| +perlDreamer | now that's funny | 00:24 |
| +perlDreamer | the pants thing | 00:24 |
| snapcount | snapbot | 00:24 |
| snapbot | Just walk along and try NOT to think about your INTESTINES being almost FORTY YARDS LONG!! | 00:24 |
| +perlDreamer | his random quote generator needs a little work, though | 00:24 |
| snapcount | the Net::IRC module comes with a test script | 00:24 |
| snapcount | I modified it to connect to freenode | 00:25 |
| +perlDreamer | cool! | 00:25 |
| +perlDreamer | so it forks a daemon and then hangs up? | 00:25 |
| snapcount | uhh.. it's running in an infinite loop | 00:25 |
| snapcount | you can bg it though | 00:25 |
| snapcount | not sure how we'd implement this in webgui | 00:26 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd plug it into spectre | 00:26 |
| snapcount | it would have to be POEified | 00:26 |
| +perlDreamer | we'd just use the POE one. | 00:26 |
| snapcount | yeah | 00:26 |
| snapcount | but, I don't think WebGUI knows how to communicate with other POE creatures | 00:27 |
| +perlDreamer | It wouldn't have to. | 00:27 |
| snapcount | I think the interface is very specific to WebGUI <=> Spectre | 00:27 |
| +perlDreamer | all it would do is log things into a db | 00:27 |
| +perlDreamer | then an Asset would just display lines of text from the db. | 00:27 |
| +perlDreamer | should probably limit the db cache | 00:27 |
| snapcount | I'm thinking chat wobject though | 00:28 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 00:29 |
| snapcount | this thing would have to handle multiple connections | 00:29 |
| snapcount | the idea is you configure the wobject to connect to a irc network/channel | 00:30 |
| snapcount | the user says what nick to use and password (optional) | 00:30 |
| snapcount | then they get a chat window | 00:30 |
| snapcount | that would rule | 00:30 |
| snapcount | but it would probably be easier to do a bot first | 00:30 |
| snapcount | that you configured through webgui | 00:31 |
| snapcount | so there would have to be communication between webgui and irc poe | 00:31 |
| snapcount | should only take you a day | 00:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | yo! crythias | 00:40 |
| Radix__ | Morning guys | 01:01 |
| +perlDreamer | howdy | 01:01 |
| Radix__ | Anyone know if/when the pdf's from the WUC 06 talks are going to put on the webguidev.com site? | 01:03 |
| Radix__ | I've had questions from several people now about creating objects or workflows and stuff - and they'd help so much | 01:03 |
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| +crythias | darn | 01:26 |
| +crythias | hope I catch him later | 01:27 |
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| @preaction-m | Radix__: i've been told that they'd appear after a while, I believe once we get the new support wiki created | 02:41 |
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| +crythia1 | where can I find a coder like that. | 03:59 |
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| @preaction-m | like whom? | 04:47 |
| +crythia1 | I wish I had Jesse's code. | 05:04 |
| Radix-wrk | my code? | 05:35 |
| * Radix-wrk hides his code from everyone. | 05:39 | |
| * Radix-wrk strokes his code and moans "My Preciousssss...." | 05:39 | |
| +crythia1 | hee | 06:53 |
| +crythia1 | Jesse is a friend. yeah I know he's been a good friend of mine. But lately something's change that ain't hard to define Jessie's got himself some code and I want to make it mine... And it's compiling all those lines... And it's got a hot runtime I just know it. Yeah 'n' he's adding more lines late, late at night... | 06:55 |
| +crythia1 | You know, I wish that I had Jessie's code, I wish that I had Jessie's code. Where can I find a code like that? | 06:57 |
| * crythia1 has lost it. It's ok. you can agree. | 06:57 | |
| +crythia1 | bump Radix-wrk | 06:57 |
| @preaction-m | dude, where did you go? | 06:58 |
| * preaction-m wants whatever crythia1 is smoking | 06:59 | |
| +crythia1 | heh | 06:59 |
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| Radix-wrk | lol | 07:28 |
| Radix-wrk | You know.. I actually started thinking it was something to do with the song "Jesse's Girl" - but then I thought.. no.. he can't be doing something that geeky. | 07:29 |
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| +crythias | hee | 18:09 |
| Radix__ | drugs worn off now crythias? | 18:10 |
| +crythias | I thought so. apologies. | 18:10 |
| Radix__ | hehe.. no need.. I had a chuckle :) | 18:11 |
| Radix__ | at your expense mind you.. but hey.. you did ask for it ;) | 18:11 |
| +crythias | of course. not like you've not been bombarded with this all your life | 18:11 |
| Radix__ | It's a song that's been around for quite some time yes ;) | 18:12 |
| Radix__ | recently revitalised with the current 70's music revival | 18:12 |
| Radix__ | but she's mine.. she's all mine - noone can have my girl ;) | 18:13 |
| +crythias | well I had fun with lyrics | 18:15 |
| Radix__ | you did well ;) | 18:15 |
| +crythias | and it's got a hot runtime I just know it. | 18:16 |
| Radix__ | well it's past my bedtime.. nite :) | 18:19 |
| ckotil | i think i found a bug in the versioning system | 22:38 |
| ckotil | which prevented me from calling an asset a certain url, and i KNOW for certain there are no other assets with that url. | 22:38 |
| ckotil | i think an open version tag is causing it. | 22:39 |
| ckotil | im not working under the tag. its just sitting there idle. | 22:39 |
| ckotil | the work thats been done under that tag is entirely unrelated to the work i just tried to do. | 22:39 |
| ckotil | ill file a bug report if/when i commit that open version tag and it sitll doesnt allow me to name the url what i want. | 22:41 |
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| Jiggie | yoo | 01:01 |
| @preaction | yooself? | 01:07 |
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| -!- preaction-m changed the topic of #webgui to: WebGUI (stable 7.2.3) | WRE (0.7.2) | Questions? Ask and wait patiently | Watch for migrant dork herds | 01:46 | |
| @preaction-m | so the new Calendar and the old EventsCalendar aren't really that different... | 01:55 |
| @preaction-m | except the Calendar works ;) | 01:56 |
| * preaction-m finishes the upgrade script so that he can check in | 01:56 | |
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| @preaction-m | royjohnson: if i'm migrating every EventsCalendar wobject into a Calendar wobject, do I need to migrate all the old revisions or just the current revision? | 02:07 |
| royjohnson | what non-sense art thou speaking | 02:08 |
| @preaction-m | royjohnson: it'll also be nice when we get that IRC wobject created, people can join this channel from plainblack.com | 02:08 |
| royjohnson | si | 02:08 |
| @preaction-m | i'm about to check in the new Calendar | 02:08 |
| royjohnson | oh oh | 02:08 |
| @preaction-m | so i need to make the upgrade script | 02:08 |
| @preaction-m | so do I migrate all the old revisions, or do I say "fuck em" | 02:08 |
| @preaction-m | since they really have little purpose now | 02:08 |
| @preaction-m | i mean, on the EC, only two columns are getting migrated, and on the Events there is currently no versioning | 02:09 |
| royjohnson | well, you need to do something with them other than deleting them | 02:10 |
| @preaction-m | damnit... i should just do it anyway, somebody's going to complain somehow that they can't revert to an old calendar from three years ago or something... | 02:10 |
| royjohnson | yeah... data loss == bad | 02:10 |
| @preaction-m | i mean i'll migrate the current revision of their EC assets, but the OLD ones | 02:11 |
| royjohnson | is it any harder? | 02:11 |
| @preaction-m | probably easier anyway, just copy one table to another | 02:11 |
| @preaction-m | the asset and assetData tables won't change, except to update to the new className | 02:11 |
| @preaction-m | then set some sane defaults, and get the templates all hunkydory | 02:12 |
| @preaction-m | oh, calculate the recurrence pattern, i hope that works... | 02:12 |
| @preaction-m | what if they deleted one recurrence? | 02:12 |
| @preaction-m | the pattern isn't stored, but it looks like a relationship is... | 02:13 |
| @preaction-m | BETTER IDEA: Don't calculate recurrence pattern at all! since all the events are created already (afaik) | 02:15 |
| * preaction-m is now thinking out loud. shutting up | 02:15 | |
| @preaction-m | perlbot hello | 02:15 |
| perlbot | hello preaction-m | 02:15 |
| @preaction-m | perlbot botspeak | 02:15 |
| @preaction-m | perlbot 419 | 02:17 |
| perlbot | ESTEEMED SIR OR MADAM/DO NOT BE SURPRISED AS I HAVE YOUR NAME BY A NETWORK OF IRC (INTERNET)/I AM ABDUL MARJEEN BUDAHMI SUPERVISING MGR OF BAGDAD IRAQ BUS STATION/RECENT ROUTINE INSPECTION OF LOCKERS REVEALED A PARCEL, WHICH, WHEN OPENED PROVED TO CONTAIN (20 000 US) ANSWERS TO PERL COMPUTER LANGAUGE QUESTIONS. I SEEK YOUR ASSISTANCE IN MOVING THESE OUT OF THE COUNTRY... | 02:17 |
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| royjohnson | perlbot diss preaction | 07:41 |
| perlbot | OMG preaction sucks. | 07:41 |
| @preaction-m | wtf | 07:41 |
| @preaction-m | i can't figure this out, once I use wG::Asset->new() how do I save the asset to the database? | 07:41 |
| @preaction-m | update()? | 07:41 |
| royjohnson | what? | 07:41 |
| royjohnson | you want to change it's properties? | 07:42 |
| royjohnson | or create a new instance | 07:42 |
| @preaction-m | new instance | 07:42 |
| royjohnson | only way to do that is addChild | 07:42 |
| @preaction-m | i'm too strung out i can't figure a damn thing out | 07:42 |
| @preaction-m | see, if i do it the way i'm doing it, it's impossible to rollback this upgrade if it fails, you'll have to reload the db backup | 07:42 |
| @preaction-m | would that even be prudent? or will I get yelled at for that? | 07:43 |
| royjohnson | why? Just create a version tag in your code... add all your crap, change all your crap, commit the tag | 07:44 |
| @preaction-m | what i'm doing it changing the database directly | 07:44 |
| royjohnson | bad Doug! | 07:44 |
| royjohnson | no no no | 07:44 |
| royjohnson | =) | 07:44 |
| @preaction-m | it's the best way, otherwise i only get the one version of the asset | 07:44 |
| @preaction-m | this way i get all the previous versions too | 07:44 |
| royjohnson | why? | 07:45 |
| royjohnson | you can specify revision date to the constructor | 07:45 |
| @preaction-m | so i can get all the revisions and do it that way? | 07:45 |
| @preaction-m | good god... | 07:45 |
| royjohnson | yeah... query all by assetId | 07:46 |
| royjohnson | that will give you every version | 07:46 |
| royjohnson | then pass revisionDate to the constructor | 07:46 |
| @preaction-m | and then get the properties, modify the properties, get the parent, add a child to the parent with the new properties, then trash the old asset | 07:47 |
| @preaction-m | good lord in heaven | 07:47 |
| royjohnson | no | 07:47 |
| royjohnson | use update, it versions the asset | 07:47 |
| @preaction-m | with a new className? | 07:47 |
| royjohnson | if you're changing properties | 07:47 |
| royjohnson | oh no | 07:47 |
| royjohnson | it won't do that =) | 07:47 |
| royjohnson | if you're creating a new asset using the old assets data | 07:48 |
| @preaction-m | i'm changing EventsCalendars into Calendars | 07:48 |
| royjohnson | you have to create one | 07:48 |
| @preaction-m | yeah | 07:48 |
| royjohnson | using earliest rev date | 07:48 |
| royjohnson | then update it once for each date | 07:48 |
| @preaction-m | ... christ... | 07:48 |
| royjohnson | am I making sense? | 07:49 |
| @preaction-m | with the Events I won't need to go through all that BS, there's actually no way for me to do it that way | 07:49 |
| @preaction-m | yes | 07:49 |
| @preaction-m | it's just crap | 07:49 |
| royjohnson | ok... you just want one asset not one asset for each revision | 07:49 |
| royjohnson | the important thing is to make it work | 07:50 |
| royjohnson | we can make it better later | 07:50 |
| @preaction-m | so I grab the earliest revision, make the asset, and then add revisions | 07:50 |
| royjohnson | just do the best you can and meet the spec | 07:50 |
| @preaction-m | see, I won't be able to do that with the Events | 07:50 |
| royjohnson | can you explain why? without writing a novel =) | 07:50 |
| royjohnson | or is it overly complex | 07:50 |
| @preaction-m | because the module gets overwritten | 07:51 |
| @preaction-m | i can't create the old asset, because the module is new | 07:51 |
| royjohnson | I see | 07:52 |
| royjohnson | that's kinda fucked | 07:52 |
| @preaction-m | and since there's no way to rollback the Events without a db backup, i may as well not worry about the EC either | 07:52 |
| @preaction-m | just going to have to put in the gotchas: "Do NOT perform this upgrade without a backup." | 07:52 |
| royjohnson | well the upgrade does a backup unless you tell it not too | 07:53 |
| royjohnson | s/too/to | 07:53 |
| @preaction-m | right, but you can tell it not to | 07:53 |
| @preaction-m | and if someone does, and it goes screwy, they're fucked | 07:53 |
| @preaction-m | murphy's law... | 07:54 |
| royjohnson | yeah | 07:54 |
| @preaction-m | and he was an optimist | 07:54 |
| royjohnson | the only way to get around this is to name Event something else, like CalEvent | 07:54 |
| royjohnson | but even then, the upgrade would have to delete the old event module... scary | 07:54 |
| @preaction-m | well, delete after it's succeeded, surely | 07:55 |
| @preaction-m | or even delete it with the 7.4.0 release | 07:56 |
| royjohnson | I think that's bad | 07:56 |
| royjohnson | Have you asked JT his opinion? | 07:56 |
| royjohnson | his the king of doing crazy stuff in an upgrade | 07:56 |
| royjohnson | s/his/he's/ | 07:56 |
| royjohnson | sheesh, can't type | 07:57 |
| @preaction-m | looks like he's N/A | 07:57 |
| royjohnson | well, do your best... the release isn't till Wed so if he doesn't like it we can fix it | 07:57 |
| royjohnson | don't get hung up on this, just get the thing working | 07:58 |
| @preaction-m | yeah, i'm just going to do it | 07:58 |
| @preaction-m | i'm going to collapse if i dont... :p | 07:58 |
| royjohnson | and relax... it's just code, you got this =) | 07:58 |
| @preaction-m | yeah, it's cake If i can figure out these error messages | 07:59 |
| royjohnson | what are they? | 07:59 |
| @preaction-m | i've been keeping track of all the ones that I get that aren't straightforward and I hope to go back and fix that situation | 07:59 |
| @preaction-m | this one is "DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Operand should contain 1 column(s) at ../../lib/WebGUI/SQL/ResultSet.pm line 135" | 07:59 |
| @preaction-m | also, I think that the errorHandler needs to be updated, and have some sort of class method to access it (so you don't need a session object to have error handling) | 08:00 |
| royjohnson | That sql looks like a query with no column | 08:01 |
| @preaction-m | select (assetId,revisionDate,defaultMonth) from EventsCalendar | 08:01 |
| @preaction-m | there aren't supposed to be () are there? | 08:02 |
| royjohnson | nope | 08:02 |
| @preaction-m | i hate the little shit... | 08:02 |
| royjohnson | I never noticed that before | 08:03 |
| royjohnson | insert into blah (1,2,3) values (...); but select 1,2,3 from foo | 08:03 |
| royjohnson | weird | 08:03 |
| @preaction-m | hooray for inconsistent language specs :p | 08:04 |
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| +crythias | hey | 15:06 |
| +crythias | preaction | 15:06 |
| +crythias | preaction-m, bump | 15:08 |
| +crythias | Just reading the Calendar/Events Calendar thing | 15:09 |
| +crythias | I don't understand why you have to overwrite EventsCalendar... | 15:09 |
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| @preaction-m | crythias: the old EC will no longer work mainly because of the new Event Asset. It would, of course, be possible to finagle it so that they could co-exist, but I feel this way is better | 00:41 |
| @preaction-m | that, and i was told to do it this way | 00:41 |
| +crythias | k | 00:42 |
| @preaction-m | would anybody here be able to recommend a wireless phone/data carrier? i'm currently looking at cingular with the 8125 smartphone | 01:24 |
| @preaction-m | i wonder if skype would work with it | 01:24 |
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| vidar_ | hi | 13:20 |
| Radix__ | yo | 13:20 |
| vidar_ | have you ever had problems with the Head Block content i a template being displayed inside <body> ? | 13:21 |
| Radix__ | What kind of problems? | 13:24 |
| vidar_ | the <head> tags to a specific layout template appears not inside <head> of the document but rather inside the <body> | 13:25 |
| Radix__ | Hmm.. odd | 13:26 |
| Radix__ | by head tags you mean the ones you're adding in the metadata page for the template? | 13:26 |
| vidar_ | yes | 13:26 |
| vidar_ | special CSS | 13:27 |
| Radix__ | Hmm.. not ever had that problem myself | 13:27 |
| Radix__ | but to be honest, I've only used the metadata head section once or twice | 13:27 |
| Radix__ | I have a global css file I've embedded for the site | 13:27 |
| vidar_ | I am trying to use different css for the printable version | 14:25 |
| vidar_ | but it always embedds the 3 column layout wiht all the sidabar stuff that is not needed in the print version | 14:26 |
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| Jiggie | sup peoples | 16:42 |
| Jiggie | preaction xdanger how ya been | 16:43 |
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| Jiggie | sup peoples again.... | 16:49 |
| Jiggie | what permissions should my mysql apache public folders have and who should own them in webgui | 16:55 |
| Jiggie | my site after a few permission changes does not come up | 16:55 |
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| @preaction-m | Jiggie: check /data/wre/prereqs/mysql/var/`uname -n`.err if your error logs say "cannot connect to database" | 17:18 |
| Jiggie | its connecting now | 17:28 |
| Jiggie | i think i have to run a fix for mysql tables "myisamchk -Br *.MYI" | 17:30 |
| Jiggie | cant seem to remember how to do it. as i'm getting this error now 061204 10:33:30 [ERROR] /data/wre/prereqs/mysql/libexec/mysqld: Can't open file: 'userSessionScratch.MYI | 17:30 |
| Jiggie | ' (errno: 14 | 17:30 |
| @preaction-m | what's errno 14? i always have to look them up at mysql.com | 17:31 |
| Jiggie | give me that site u sed to paste code again pls | 17:31 |
| @preaction-m | perlbot pastebin | 17:33 |
| perlbot | (see paste) | 17:33 |
| @preaction-m | perlbot paste | 17:33 |
| perlbot | Paste your code to http://sial.org/pbot/perl or http://erxz.com/pb and #perl will be able to view it. | 17:33 |
| Jiggie | ermo..no idea and i remember not to check the channels... | 17:43 |
| Jiggie | it says is a bad table and i need to repair it. so i should do REPAIR TABLE userSessionScratch; does that make sense | 17:47 |
| @preaction-m | i don't know. that much is beyond me. i believe that myisamchk or one of the other command-line tools can repair the tables | 17:47 |
| Jiggie | i'll try it, it seems to go with what happened to us. the database got corrupted when the space filled up read here | 17:50 |
| Jiggie | http://www.redrook.com/faqs/mysql-error-cant-open-file-something.myd-errno-145.php | 17:50 |
| Jiggie | that seemd to work | 17:52 |
| Jiggie | wohooo | 17:52 |
| Jiggie | yeah baby this is working | 18:20 |
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| @preaction-m | show us your +o face, roy! | 06:12 |
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| Jiggie | quiet here | 23:11 |
| @preaction-m | too quiet... | 23:11 |
| Jiggie | yeah | 23:31 |
| Jiggie | do i need to come and make some noise | 23:32 |
| Radix__ | get jiggie with it | 23:55 |
| * Radix__ breaks down and does a boogie. | 23:55 | |
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| snapcount | I just brought WebGUI to a new low | 00:11 |
| snapcount | yes! | 00:11 |
| snapcount | preaction... you're disturbing my slumber | 00:11 |
| @preaction-m | snapcount you're totally blowing my vibe | 00:22 |
| snapcount | I wrote a bash macro for WebGUI at 3am this morning | 00:27 |
| snapcount | Now people can have random nuggets of vulgar and twisted humor in their wG site! | 00:41 |
| snapcount | yay! | 00:41 |
| * snapcount is a tad loopy | 00:41 | |
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| Radix-wrk | ooh.. fun stuff | 03:06 |
| Radix-wrk | added a user profile field with type Yes No and now whenever a user goes to edit their profile it comes up with: | 03:06 |
| Radix-wrk | 2006/12/06 09:04:35 - ERROR - webgui.formsys.com.conf - main::[[undef]] - Couldn't execute operation : WebGUI::Operation::Profile::www_editProfile. Root cause: Can't use string ("Yes | 03:06 |
| Radix-wrk | No") as a HASH ref while "strict refs" in use at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ProfileField.pm line 159. | 03:06 |
| @preaction-m | ooh a bug | 03:14 |
| @preaction-m | put it in the bugtracker and we'll fix it tomorrow | 03:14 |
| @preaction-m | what's the best way to make a workflow run immediately? | 03:15 |
| Radix-wrk | go to current workflows and hit run? | 03:15 |
| @preaction-m | there's no "run" | 03:15 |
| @preaction-m | just "enabled" | 03:15 |
| @preaction-m | in the "Show Running Workflows" there's a "run" link, but the workflow hasn't started yet | 03:16 |
| Radix-wrk | Hmm.. can you fake the url that webgui uses to get it to run that way? | 03:17 |
| @preaction-m | not until an instance of the workflow is created | 03:17 |
| @preaction-m | how do workflows get tested? | 03:18 |
| Radix-wrk | good question | 03:18 |
| @preaction-m | i imagine i can write a utility to do it for me | 03:18 |
| Radix-wrk | yeah, you need a workflow instance id first before you can do anything in webgui with it | 03:21 |
| @preaction-m | it's also annoying that I can't just do something to run my hourly tasks right now instead of later, sometimes I want to | 03:22 |
| @preaction-m | i'll make the utility now, and make an RFE to add it to the admin console | 03:23 |
| Radix-wrk | Yeah, a 'run now' next to each scheduled workflow task would be nice | 03:23 |
| Radix-wrk | http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/three-profile-field-bugs#WUbOA_Ks3B-PlLvk93pQVg | 03:42 |
| Radix-wrk | Found three bugs in all with user profiles then. What fun | 03:43 |
| @preaction-m | fun indeed | 03:45 |
| @preaction-m | gives us something to do for bugfix day tomorrow | 03:45 |
| Radix-wrk | You good at sql queries by any chance? | 04:05 |
| @preaction-m | sometimes | 04:05 |
| Radix-wrk | SELECT | 04:05 |
| Radix-wrk | a.fieldData AS "Email Address" | 04:05 |
| Radix-wrk | c.fieldData AS "Opt-Out" | 04:05 |
| Radix-wrk | users.status AS "User Status" | 04:05 |
| Radix-wrk | FROM | 04:05 |
| Radix-wrk | users | 04:05 |
| Radix-wrk | left join userProfileData as a on users.userId=a.userId and a.fieldName = 'email' | 04:05 |
| @preaction-m | perlbot paste | 04:05 |
| Radix-wrk | left join groupings as b on users.userId=b.userId | 04:05 |
| perlbot | Paste your code to http://sial.org/pbot/perl or http://erxz.com/pb and #perl will be able to view it. | 04:05 |
| Radix-wrk | left join userProfileData as c on users.userId=c.userId and c.fieldName = 'emailoptout' | 04:05 |
| Radix-wrk | WHERE | 04:05 |
| Radix-wrk | b.groupId = 'IpZgQn75FPEsLgDpxSzL1w' | 04:05 |
| Radix-wrk | ORDER BY | 04:05 |
| Radix-wrk | users.dateCreated DESC | 04:05 |
| @preaction-m | or http://pastebin.com or something | 04:06 |
| Radix-wrk | pastebin doesn't seem to respond (submit it and it sits there loading for ages) - the other two seem to be for automating spamming on #perl channel | 04:14 |
| @preaction-m | you can select "none" as a channel | 04:15 |
| @preaction-m | http://sial.org/pbot/none | 04:15 |
| Radix-wrk | http://sial.org/pbot/21635 | 04:16 |
| Radix-wrk | I think it's a left-join I'm doing wrong or something.. but not sure how to do it right | 04:17 |
| @preaction-m | are you sure you can use quoted strings for AS? | 04:18 |
| Radix-wrk | I've done it before in a previous sql query (which does work) | 04:18 |
| Radix-wrk | http://sial.org/pbot/21636 is the one I based it on | 04:20 |
| @preaction-m | hang on, i know frank wrote one just like this on another site | 04:20 |
| Radix-wrk | which I wrote a year or so ago | 04:20 |
| @preaction-m | what's the error message? | 04:21 |
| Radix-wrk | it's the double left-join to the same table that I'm not sure about - but don't know how else to do it | 04:21 |
| @preaction-m | the join is fine, frank did it for a client and it seems to work | 04:21 |
| Radix-wrk | 2006/12/06 10:07:49 - WARN - webgui.formsys.com.conf - main::[[undef]] - There was a problem with the query: You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'c.fieldData AS "Opt-Out" | 04:21 |
| Radix-wrk | users.status AS "User Status" | 04:21 |
| Radix-wrk | FROM | 04:21 |
| Radix-wrk | users | 04:21 |
| Radix-wrk | lef' at line 3 | 04:21 |
| @preaction-m | you forgot commas between the field names | 04:22 |
| @preaction-m | SELECT field, field, field | 04:22 |
| Radix-wrk | Oh god I did too.. | 04:22 |
| @preaction-m | i didn't notice until i looked at the working one ;) | 04:22 |
| @preaction-m | they should change "near" to "before", it'd make more sense in those messages | 04:23 |
| Radix-wrk | ooh.. now I'm getting a new one | 04:23 |
| Radix-wrk | 2006/12/06 10:22:47 - WARN - webgui.formsys.com.conf - main::[[undef]] - Unconditional read failed: <rest of the sql follows> | 04:23 |
| Radix-wrk | Ahh.. found it | 04:24 |
| @preaction-m | snapcount: aren't you supposed to be asleep instead of replying to the support boards? | 04:24 |
| Radix-wrk | thanks preaction-m - just needed a different set of eyes :) | 04:25 |
| @preaction-m | i know how that is | 04:25 |
| snapcount | yeah | 04:28 |
| snapcount | I'm over-achieving today | 04:28 |
| @preaction-m | amen to that | 04:28 |
| snapcount | I think sleep depravation is making me crazy | 04:28 |
| @preaction-m | lol you and me both | 04:29 |
| Radix-wrk | heh | 04:29 |
| @preaction-m | is there any special way to test Workflows? | 04:29 |
| @preaction-m | i mean, i already wrote a utility to do it, but now that i've wasted an hour, tell me it was completely in vain | 04:29 |
| Radix-wrk | sleep deprivation ain't bad for your health - as long as she's cute | 04:29 |
| @preaction-m | she is a rough trick named Frank who looks like an Elvis Impersonator | 04:30 |
| Radix-wrk | heh.. I think I might have seen her in las vegas when I was there then :) | 04:30 |
| @preaction-m | i've been told she frequents the scene down there | 04:30 |
| snapcount | what do you mean by test the workflow? | 04:32 |
| snapcount | like, force it to run? | 04:33 |
| @preaction-m | like test it, develop it, make sure it works | 04:33 |
| @preaction-m | basically | 04:33 |
| @preaction-m | create a new instance and force it to run | 04:33 |
| snapcount | yeah... create a schedule entry for it | 04:33 |
| snapcount | then you click "run" to run it whenever you want | 04:34 |
| @preaction-m | "run" where? | 04:34 |
| snapcount | goto manage cron in the ac | 04:34 |
| snapcount | each schedule is listed, run button to the right | 04:34 |
| @preaction-m | the Scheduler, okay | 04:34 |
| @preaction-m | i could've added a new task here... damnit... | 04:35 |
| snapcount | isn't it fun learning the UI side of wG? | 04:35 |
| snapcount | it's almost like learning something entirely different | 04:35 |
| @preaction-m | sometimes... | 04:35 |
| @preaction-m | sometimes i'm amazed at what I can do with it, other times i'm frustrated by what I can't | 04:36 |
| @preaction-m | either way, it's an hour wasted | 04:36 |
| @preaction-m | in any case, sbin/runWorkflow.pl will be added once I've documented it properly | 04:36 |
| snapcount | I feel like I could use the API to do just about anything... however, I am still so far behind in what WebGUI can already do out of the box | 04:37 |
| snapcount | make sure you clear that with JT on the dev list | 04:37 |
| Radix-wrk | can you use != in sql queries? | 04:37 |
| @preaction-m | Radix-wrk: <> i think | 04:37 |
| snapcount | he'll freak if you check something in that's not approved as a new feature | 04:37 |
| snapcount | <> | 04:37 |
| @preaction-m | snapcount: ahh, i'll clear it tomorrow | 04:37 |
| @preaction-m | it's useful in any case | 04:38 |
| snapcount | I'm sure it will be fine | 04:38 |
| snapcount | sounds useful to me | 04:38 |
| @preaction-m | then an RFE to make "Run" links for Workflows (not just scheduler) | 04:38 |
| snapcount | you mean for activities? | 04:39 |
| snapcount | or on the workflow screen | 04:39 |
| @preaction-m | for entire workflows | 04:39 |
| @preaction-m | or individual activities, whatever | 04:39 |
| snapcount | oh ok, so you can do it from the manage workflows screen | 04:39 |
| snapcount | that would be cool... one less step | 04:40 |
| @preaction-m | some of them shouldn't be forced to run though, like the VersionTag ones | 04:40 |
| @preaction-m | so there'd probably have to be a property to designate which are able to be forced | 04:40 |
| snapcount | isBitch? | 04:40 |
| snapcount | lol | 04:40 |
| @preaction-m | canSmack? | 04:40 |
| @preaction-m | you're evil | 04:41 |
| snapcount | p0wn3d? | 04:41 |
| Radix-wrk | wierd. <> doesn't work if the value is undefined - and since it's a new profile field, no current user has it defined (except the test user I just set) | 04:44 |
| @preaction-m | IS NOT NULL | 04:45 |
| Radix-wrk | so c.fieldData IS NOT NULL and c.fieldData <> 1 | 04:45 |
| Radix-wrk | cool.. didn't know about IS NULL/IS NOT NULL | 04:49 |
| @preaction-m | a shortcoming of the SQL language | 04:49 |
| Radix-wrk | worked out to be (c.fieldData IS NULL OR c.fieldData <> 1) in the end was what I needed | 04:49 |
| Radix-wrk | thanks :) | 04:50 |
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| Jiggie | dd | 17:23 |
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| bipolar | I'm trying to upgrade a webgui instance. It's currently upgraded to 6.8.10, but when I try to upgrade to 7.1.2 it says it needs no upgrades. ./upgrade.pl --doit --history shows that it is at version 6.8.10, and it finds the upgrade executable from 6.8.10 to 6.99.0. | 20:04 |
| bipolar | looks like a bug in the upgrade script. removeing all the upgrade history except for the latest version seems to triger the upgrade. | 20:24 |
| bipolar | I think it's just looking for the last in the list and the sorting confuses it. | 20:24 |
| Jiggie | bipolar | 21:09 |
| Jiggie | u ar ein luck | 21:09 |
| bipolar | hmm? | 21:10 |
| Jiggie | u must drop the database | 21:10 |
| Jiggie | then import it again and try the upgrade script | 21:10 |
| Jiggie | i just went tru that | 21:10 |
| Jiggie | at the same spot | 21:10 |
| bipolar | I did that, and it still stuck. The upgrade script only saw the last version in 'perl ./upgrade.pl --doit --history', and since the sorting made that 6.8.9 and not 6.8.10 it did not know it had an upgrade script available for it. | 21:12 |
| bipolar | so I edited the version table so that .10 was the only one there, and it upgraded it. | 21:12 |
| bipolar | it's working now. | 21:12 |
| bipolar | accept for images only being vewable by people logged in even though they are set to 'everyone' | 21:13 |
| Jiggie | i c | 21:17 |
| Jiggie | it must be permision issues | 21:17 |
| Jiggie | mine crapped out but its now working after a few bumps | 21:17 |
| Jiggie | crap gui is not bad when its running, not so easy to fix when its not | 21:18 |
| bipolar | whenever I change something, then commit the changes, that item is 'locked'. how does an item get unlocked? | 22:09 |
| bipolar | I see this image I changes the metadata on in 'versions' as a pending version, but I see no way to get it out of pending so I can change it again. | 22:10 |
| bipolar | wtf.... In the webgui log, it seems that requests are being sent to spectre from the machines public ip address, not 127.0.0.1. | 22:15 |
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| +crythias | herd, even | 02:11 |
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| snapcount | you have to watch for those dork herds | 02:53 |
| * Radix-wrk looks around in fear. | 02:53 | |
| -!- snapcount changed the topic of #webgui to: #WebGUI WebGUI (stable 7.2.3) | WRE (0.7.2) | Questions? Ask and wait patiently | Watch for migrant dork herds and bunnies | 02:53 | |
| Radix-wrk | Wabbit Season! | 02:53 |
| +crythias | duck season | 03:01 |
| Radix-wrk | Wabbit Season! | 03:14 |
| Radix-wrk | WebGUI Season! Fire! | 03:14 |
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| Radix-wrk | Site down for maintenance huh | 05:03 |
| snapcount | 7.3.0 is in the house | 05:07 |
| snapcount | the wiki is here!!! | 05:07 |
| snapcount | well, it's almost here | 05:07 |
| Radix-wrk | heh | 05:08 |
| Radix-wrk | hasn't finished upgrading yet :) | 05:08 |
| snapcount | assuming the pb.com upgrade doesn't cause fire and brimstone | 05:08 |
| snapcount | nope... event calendar is being replaced with the new calendar | 05:08 |
| snapcount | so it's taking a while to migrate | 05:08 |
| Radix-wrk | ooh.. preaction's new stuff :) | 05:09 |
| snapcount | yeah | 05:09 |
| Radix-wrk | it's dead.. it's dead! :) | 05:17 |
| Radix-wrk | ooh.. proxy error now | 05:21 |
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| Radix-wrk | hehe.. site dead now.. methinks I'll be waiting for 7.3.1 or 7.3.2 ;) | 05:29 |
| snapcount | yeah... some goof didn't check that an object was created before calling a method on it | 05:38 |
| snapcount | this is why we upgrade pb.com before pushing a release | 05:38 |
| snapcount | the upgrade is running again but I left apache offline to make it go faster | 05:39 |
| Radix-wrk | :) | 05:42 |
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| Radix-wrk | cool!.. like the new features in 7.3.0 - sounds good :) | 07:09 |
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| xdanger | Is there a reason for the wiki wobject not to be enabled in the demo.plainblack.com? | 19:41 |
| xdanger | would like to try it out =) | 19:42 |
| snapcount | I added one to demo earlier | 19:46 |
| snapcount | why do you say it's not enabled? | 19:46 |
| xdanger | tried it last night and it wasn't on the asset list | 19:49 |
| snapcount | oh | 19:50 |
| snapcount | last night demo wasn't upgraded | 19:50 |
| snapcount | I upgraded it this morning | 19:50 |
| xdanger | O yes now it is =) | 19:51 |
| xdanger | I didn't really look that hard... just a quick test... | 19:51 |
| xdanger | hmm.. I'll go play ;) | 19:51 |
| snapcount | usually I upgrade right after the release but last night I was tired so I slacked off | 19:51 |
| snapcount | have fun | 19:52 |
| xdanger | There's no "automatic linking" sort of stuff? just normal "link to a page in webgui asset tree"? | 19:57 |
| xdanger | Oh, no there is... I just had a typo =) | 19:57 |
| xdanger | only that it links to /home... not to /whateveryourdemorootis/home/... | 19:59 |
| xdanger | O and it doesn't work with non-ascii characters... like äöå | 20:06 |
| snapcount | neither does my irc apparently | 20:11 |
| snapcount | I saw [incompatible encoding] at the end of your message | 20:11 |
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| xdanger | snapcount: when is wre 0.8 coming out? any eta? | 21:58 |
| snapcount | not sure... I have my patches ready for JT for all of the setup improvements, but he's working on some new stuff too so I'm not sure | 21:59 |
| xdanger | ok, I'm just upgrading my webgui fron 6.8 to 7.2 and upgrading the wre in the process... | 22:00 |
| xdanger | I'm just getting ready for testing my own code upgrades... | 22:00 |
| xdanger | (custom assets and macros) | 22:00 |
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| Jiggie | just set up the latyest beta on fedora 6 in less than 15 minutes | 23:16 |
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| william_ | anybody here familiar with the SQLForm wobject? I've got a coding question regarding how tables are imported. | 23:27 |
| william_ | ok, i'll try the lists | 23:29 |
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| ckotil | Where is this new wiki? is it part of the collaboration system? | 18:58 |
| ckotil | i read wiki object. but i dont see it | 18:59 |
| ckotil | i see the logo's ;) | 18:59 |
| ckotil | nvm. | 19:09 |
| ckotil | i grabbed 7.0.3 lol | 19:09 |
| ckotil | its.... rough | 19:14 |
| ckotil | man. my lead engineer rips on webgui. aknowledging that its a powerful system. but insists the learning curve is steep | 19:21 |
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| @preaction-m | rotatelogs keeps destroying my computer... i think it has problems working with very large log files | 22:42 |
| @snapcount | prolly | 22:45 |
| @preaction-m | so wyoh is down until sunday night when i get home... | 22:47 |
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| @snapcount | anyone around? | 20:42 |
| +crythias | guess so | 22:02 |
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| mindspin | anyone here using stil 5.5.8 and able to give me some advise on HolyMenu questions? | 15:27 |
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| bipolar | Is there a way to have WebGUI's forms send emails via authenticated smtp? Our server does not have the option of anonymous smtp from localhost when sending from an email address from a domain it controls. | 19:04 |
| preaction-m | "does not" or "is not configured to"? | 19:05 |
| preaction-m | to be honest, i don't even know where the configuration settings for the mail server that WebGUI uses | 19:05 |
| bipolar | does not | 19:07 |
| bipolar | there is no option to do that. it's either allow all senders to spoof your domain or none. | 19:08 |
| bipolar | preaction-m: the only thing I see is a field for the mail server's host name. | 19:08 |
| preaction-m | what mail server are you running? | 19:08 |
| bipolar | Citadel | 19:08 |
| bipolar | The only thing I can think of is to setup a postfix frontend for it. | 19:09 |
| preaction-m | must say I've never heard of that one. no chance of running something decent like postfix or sendmail? | 19:09 |
| bipolar | Yeah, I can setup a frontend w/ postfix. | 19:09 |
| bipolar | it's designed to allow that, but it's just another thing to set up and maintain. | 19:10 |
| preaction-m | why not replace citadel w/ postfix? | 19:10 |
| bipolar | although it does allow more control | 19:10 |
| bipolar | citadel is more then smtp | 19:10 |
| preaction-m | also, add an RFE for authenticated smtp | 19:10 |
| bipolar | citadel is a full groupware server. | 19:10 |
| preaction-m | if there isn't one already | 19:10 |
| preaction-m | so smtp+imap? | 19:11 |
| bipolar | well, it has Auth SMTP, thats the problem. I can turn it off so anyone can send mail, or leave it on | 19:11 |
| bipolar | smtp+imap/s+pop3/s+ical+groupdav+kolab... etc... etc. | 19:11 |
| preaction-m | i meant, add an RFE for WebGUI to handle authenticated SMTP | 19:11 |
| bipolar | preaction-m: hehe.. yeah. doh... | 19:11 |
| bipolar | Looks like, at least for the time being, I'm going to have to setup postfix on this box. good thing Citadel has an LMTP socket to make it easier. | 19:19 |
| preaction-m | maybe just setup sendmail and disallow anyone to connect to port 22 on that box | 19:19 |
| preaction-m | (except from localhost of course) | 19:19 |
| bipolar | preaction-m: you mean port 25? thats used by citadel right now, so whatever I setup on that port must replace it's functionality. | 19:22 |
| bipolar | unless webgui can be setup to send mail via a diffrent port... hmmm... | 19:22 |
| bipolar | preaction-m: I don't see an option for a port number in webgui either :\ | 19:24 |
| bipolar | it's ok. I've worked with postfix before, I can handle it :) | 19:24 |
| preaction-m | but seriously, RFE for better mail server controls. I | 19:24 |
| preaction-m | m surprised wG doesn't have them already | 19:24 |
| bipolar | yeah... me too. | 19:25 |
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| @snapcount | the community wiki will soon be a reality! | 05:53 |
| @snapcount | Just waiting for someone to sign off on the "we're not responsible for errors or ommissions" statement | 05:54 |
| @snapcount | but I've already started putting stuff in it | 05:54 |
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| @preaction-m | can I only add nodes from the asset manager? | 06:03 |
| @preaction-m | hey... get back here damnit | 06:03 |
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| vidar_ | heya | 12:19 |
| vidar_ | who was it that did the new calendar again/ | 12:20 |
| Radix__ | preaction | 12:35 |
| Radix__ | Hmm.. just thought I'd check out the demo of it on demo.pb and it crashed when i created a calendar object | 12:38 |
| Radix__ | http://demo.plainblack.com/demo1165919754_500/home?op=switchOnAdmin | 12:39 |
| Radix__ | Problem with request | 12:39 |
| Radix__ | yikes.. assets list seems broken too.. and keeps logging me out | 12:40 |
| Radix__ | Oh well.. that's why they call it a beta ;) | 12:42 |
| vidar_ | hehe | 14:22 |
| vidar_ | I have seen worse things marked stable | 14:23 |
| vidar_ | like search function not working | 14:23 |
| vidar_ | how is that stable? | 14:23 |
| vidar_ | :) | 14:23 |
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| Radix__ | I agree with you there vidar! :) | 16:08 |
| xdanger | demo.pb isn't runnings stable =) | 16:58 |
| snapcount | it always runs the latest just like pb.com | 16:58 |
| xdanger | snapcount: vidar_ was earlier saying that search function isn't working =), and then commenting that " < vidar_> how is that stable?" | 17:00 |
| snapcount | oh ok | 17:00 |
| snapcount | late to the party =) | 17:00 |
| snapcount | didn't know search wasn't working though | 17:01 |
| snapcount | I don't think that's on the bug list | 17:01 |
| xdanger | also to recap: 12:40 < Radix__> yikes.. assets list seems broken too.. and keeps logging me out | 17:08 |
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| vidar_ | snapcount: is didn't work couple of months ago | 19:31 |
| vidar_ | when the conference was held | 19:32 |
| snapcount | are you saying it doesn't work now? | 19:33 |
| snapcount | I know it was broke back then | 19:33 |
| vidar_ | I was saying it was broken back then and the version was marked stable | 19:36 |
| ckotil | the PHP BB Skin/Template is sweet. Id like to see a media wiki template for the wiki asset | 19:55 |
| vidar_ | gallery2 template would be more practical | 19:59 |
| vidar_ | the wiki is so new | 19:59 |
| @preaction-m | I still don't know why they didn't implement it as a tree of user-editable Articles | 20:08 |
| vidar_ | implement what? | 20:09 |
| vidar_ | the wiki? | 20:09 |
| @preaction-m | yes | 20:10 |
| vidar_ | how is it implemented? | 20:10 |
| @preaction-m | there's two new assets: WikiMaster and WikiPage | 20:11 |
| @preaction-m | I'm thinking that WikiPage could've been done without, and instead uses an existing asset/wobject like Post or Article | 20:11 |
| vidar_ | like calendar and event I suppose | 20:11 |
| @preaction-m | a little different, Event has functionality that Post doesn't have | 20:12 |
| @preaction-m | though, I could've made Event a subclass of Post | 20:12 |
| vidar_ | are you happy with your new calendar? | 20:12 |
| vidar_ | I have yet to try it | 20:12 |
| vidar_ | but have been looking forward to it | 20:12 |
| @preaction-m | I was rushed. There are bugs that nobody knows about and there are kludges that make me ashamed | 20:12 |
| vidar_ | ahh | 20:13 |
| @preaction-m | but otherwise, it's a ten thousand percent improvement over the EventsCalendar | 20:13 |
| ckotil | nice | 20:13 |
| ckotil | gallery2 would be sweet. i use that app at home. | 20:13 |
| vidar_ | dont need much to improve that | 20:13 |
| vidar_ | the EventsCalendar that is | 20:13 |
| vidar_ | perhaps I will look at it at demo.pb | 20:14 |
| @preaction-m | the main problem I have right now is that iCalendar implementation is a kludge. I wrote my own parser and my own recursion generator, something I could've delegated to cpan modules. | 20:14 |
| @preaction-m | it works, but it's not clean code | 20:14 |
| vidar_ | can you create events in the past? | 20:14 |
| vidar_ | that was a bug in the old one | 20:15 |
| @preaction-m | that and iCalendar has a much richer way of describing recursion, and I haven't implemented that in the Calendar | 20:15 |
| @preaction-m | i see no reason why you can't create events in the past | 20:15 |
| @preaction-m | at least, I didn't put in anything that forces you to create events only in the present/future | 20:15 |
| vidar_ | it was a bug in the old one, old omnths were empty | 20:16 |
| vidar_ | the most annyoing thing is if you clicked on a date in the small month view then it would pull out only one event from the day and show it to you | 20:17 |
| @preaction-m | yeah, those parts are completely redone. i believe I did it the only logical way I could | 20:19 |
| vidar_ | sweet | 20:19 |
| @preaction-m | the only thing the old EC and the new Calendar really shared are what type of view to show by default (Day, Week, Month) and where to start by default (first event, last event, current date, which nobody knows that I haven't implemented yet... sshhh...) | 20:19 |
| vidar_ | the old EC could not show week | 20:20 |
| @preaction-m | the more important part about the new Calendar is that it be easily subclassed for such things as a request calendar (request a resource for certain time periods, a vacation calendar) or a project calendar (integration into the project manager anyone?) | 20:20 |
| vidar_ | I think the most important part about a calendar is that it works :) | 20:21 |
| @preaction-m | i believe my next project is a vacation-type calendar, which i'm trying to imagine as flexibly as possible | 20:21 |
| @preaction-m | pfft, working is just a side-effect of good design and clean code | 20:21 |
| vidar_ | if it compiles, it works | 20:22 |
| @preaction-m | :p what about runtime errors? divide by zero? | 20:22 |
| vidar_ | right? | 20:22 |
| vidar_ | :P | 20:22 |
| vidar_ | the real errors are logical errors | 20:22 |
| vidar_ | have seen way to many for the past months | 20:23 |
| @preaction-m | yeah... timezones are not fun to work with. nor generating dates from an english phrase like "Every Sunday Monday and Tuesday on the Third week of every 2 months" | 20:23 |
| vidar_ | hehe | 20:24 |
| vidar_ | calendar is the nightmare of general programming imo | 20:24 |
| @preaction-m | as it is, i thought of about 10 ways to make it better, as long as I have free reign to break the Calendar API (and I put big warnings on the parts of the API that will change) | 20:25 |
| @preaction-m | i didn't have time for nightmares, i wasn't even sleeping :p | 20:25 |
| vidar_ | what about the "no api changes to 2030"? | 20:28 |
| vidar_ | :) | 20:28 |
| @preaction-m | that's what he said at the WUC? | 20:30 |
| @preaction-m | but I meant specifically the methods I created in the Calendar | 20:31 |
| @preaction-m | like getEventsIn() and get/setRecurrence | 20:31 |
| snapcount | the rules apply to calendar too preaction-m, but not until it's labeled stable | 20:44 |
| snapcount | at that point your apis have to remain backwards compatible | 20:44 |
| @preaction-m | you're not making 7.3.1 stable are you? | 21:23 |
| @preaction-m | rather: do I get to make the decision when the Calendar is stable? | 21:24 |
| @preaction-m | the main thing is the recurrence patterns: I want them to be in the iCalendar format, which means changing the Event asset's getRecurrence, setRecurrence, and getRecurrenceDates methods. Then I would consider the APIs to be stable (at least, it would be possible to maintain backwards-compatibility) | 21:26 |
| snapcount | no no | 21:31 |
| snapcount | have ya *seen* the bug list =) | 21:31 |
| snapcount | the bug list decides when something is stable | 21:32 |
| snapcount | but I guess I decide what the bug list is telling us | 21:32 |
| snapcount | of course if you have a concern, you should voice it... I won't label a release stable if there are major problems and you know the most about the cal | 21:33 |
| snapcount | so it all comes full circle I guess | 21:33 |
| snapcount | well, I would like to see 7.3 be stable by next week... but it might not be until after the break | 21:34 |
| vidar_ | Ill wait | 21:59 |
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| zor0 | I'm trying to install webgui and the wre is horribly breaking the mysql instalation on my ubuntu system, where should I be looking for help? | 23:58 |
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| @preaction-m | it's difficult to install side-by-side the WRE mysql and another mysql | 00:33 |
| @preaction-m | (because mysql INSISTS on using /etc/my.cnf) | 00:33 |
| @preaction-m | you might be better off removing mysql from the wre and just using your existing version | 00:34 |
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| zor0 | ok, I dont have a seperate mysql install. I meant it was breaking its own install | 00:49 |
| @preaction-m | what do you mean by breaking its own install? | 00:51 |
| zor0 | right now I've got the wre mysql ans apache servers working but the addsite script fails because /data/WebGUI doesn't exist, causing Hoster::WebGUIConfig to fail | 00:51 |
| @preaction-m | why doesn't data/WebGUI exist? | 00:51 |
| zor0 | I mean I am running the setup wre script for ubuntu on my linux box and it kills the mysql server it comes with | 00:52 |
| zor0 | it dosen't, never got created by the script, theres just /data/wre where all the stuff is | 00:52 |
| @preaction-m | the script should've asked if you wanted to install WebGUI from a mirror | 00:52 |
| zor0 | never did | 00:53 |
| @preaction-m | you're using the contributed wre 0.7.1 for ubuntu? | 00:53 |
| zor0 | 0.7.2 | 00:54 |
| zor0 | ok, when it exits it says that some files didn't match and gives me the diff commands do see what has changed, but then says "Setup Complete", so I take it that the script skipped a step and says its done anyway? | 00:55 |
| @preaction-m | might want to destroy /data/wre and try re-installing | 00:55 |
| zor0 | I've only done that about 5 times, it never works right | 00:56 |
| @preaction-m | are you following the steps on /data/wre/docs/install.txt ? | 00:56 |
| zor0 | this is really close to working, I just need to make it install that stuff apparently, I think it skipped it because I stoped and restarted the install script while tinkering with mysql | 00:57 |
| @preaction-m | yes, the install script is annoying that way | 00:57 |
| zor0 | I was following the install.txt doc, but it offer ZERO help the minute I get an error from setup | 00:57 |
| zor0 | so, the setup exits because it thinks two config files have been edited manualy | 00:58 |
| zor0 | Some of your configs don't match the defaults. Run these diff commands to find out what's different: | 00:58 |
| zor0 | diff /data/wre/etc/stats.modproxy /data/wre/var/setupfiles/stats.modproxy | 00:58 |
| zor0 | diff /data/wre/etc/backup.conf /data/wre/var/setupfiles/backup.conf | 00:58 |
| zor0 | Setup Complete! | 00:58 |
| zor0 | so, can I delete /data/wre/var/setupfiles/backup.conf and it will be recreated with whatever new settings the installer is trying to use and then the installer will continue? | 00:59 |
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| @preaction-m | no, you'd want to delete the ones from /data/wre/etc | 01:09 |
| zor0 | ok, I've made the files match, now when I run the setup script, it asks me if I want to run it again, I say yes, it does its thing, says "Setup Complete!" and exits | 01:10 |
| zor0 | and apprently skipped actually installing /data/WebGUI | 01:10 |
| @preaction-m | you could just download WebGUI | 01:18 |
| zor0 | how can I do that? | 01:18 |
| zor0 | wait, that dir is just a copy of the non-wre files? | 01:19 |
| zor0 | well, I already scrapped it and I'm going to try and document what I'm doing this time | 01:19 |
| @preaction-m | http://www.plainblack.com/getwebgui | 01:19 |
| @preaction-m | under Download Source | 01:19 |
| zor0 | oh, I already wiped everything like you suggested | 01:20 |
| zor0 | preaction-m: are you a web-gui developer? | 01:24 |
| @preaction-m | i'm employed by Plainblack, yes | 01:31 |
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| zor0 | allright, I've figured it out, basically whatever wrapper you hava around sudo is horrible and unreliable | 01:34 |
| zor0 | it asks for my password and the script keeps right on runnind, I can't enter the password | 01:34 |
| @preaction-m | there's a reason the WRE is in the 0.* series | 01:35 |
| zor0 | so a bunch of stuff fails, and then the setup script borks itself for lack of error checking | 01:35 |
| zor0 | why do you guys recomend it and call it "easy to install" then? | 01:35 |
| @preaction-m | because it's far better than installing all the prereqs on each system manually? | 01:37 |
| Radix-wrk | it's a hell of a lot easier than installing all of the perl modules/apache/mysql/etc manually | 01:37 |
| Radix-wrk | I've had a wre setup installed from scratch in about 20 minutes.. including OS install (which took most of that) | 01:37 |
| Radix-wrk | restoring from backup with the wre is even easier | 01:37 |
| zor0 | that could all be done automated using apt on debian distros, yum on rh, etc | 01:38 |
| @preaction-m | i dunno man, Roy and I have been trying to bring one of PBs servers up for the last 4 hours | 01:38 |
| Radix-wrk | not easily no | 01:38 |
| Radix-wrk | I've tried managing the webgui stuff with debian using apt-get and it was a mess | 01:38 |
| @preaction-m | zor0: and what about non-apt and non-rpm based distros? what about windows? what about mac os x? | 01:38 |
| zor0 | I like the idea, but please make the setup script verbose enough that when it spits out errors I have some idea what it was trying to do | 01:38 |
| Radix-wrk | Webgui requires a LOT of perl modules - and a lot of the ones it depends on are the latest versions | 01:39 |
| zor0 | preaction-m: they can use the annoying setup script | 01:39 |
| Radix-wrk | I had to go to debian testing to get half of them.. the other half weren't in debian at all.. and had to get them from cpan | 01:39 |
| zor0 | the setup script is fine, it needs to have more error checking and be more helpful when things go wrong | 01:39 |
| Radix-wrk | Yeah, it does | 01:40 |
| @preaction-m | i'll agree | 01:40 |
| @preaction-m | and if i were allowed to touch the WRE, i'd help | 01:40 |
| zor0 | it looks like the sudo thing was just coded badly | 01:40 |
| zor0 | heh, you aren't allowed to work on it? | 01:40 |
| @preaction-m | for now, it's just JT | 01:40 |
| @preaction-m | the other three devs have their hands full with WebGUI | 01:41 |
| Radix-wrk | snapcount did a few fixes.. and had a few ideas on how to improve it | 01:41 |
| snapcount | they are going in 0.8 | 01:41 |
| snapcount | 1.0 will probably be the web based installer | 01:41 |
| @preaction-m | he's got a wonderful idea for a web-based interface that should rock all high | 01:41 |
| snapcount | already started writing it =) | 01:41 |
| Radix-wrk | yup.. I heard his ideas for it at the WUC :) | 01:42 |
| zor0 | I build perl web apps, and have plenty of experience with debian/apache/perl/mysql, I just expected this to be easy for me | 01:42 |
| Radix-wrk | what went wrong? | 01:43 |
| zor0 | the wre mysql install dies horribly | 01:43 |
| Radix-wrk | did you delete /etc/my.cnf before you started? | 01:43 |
| zor0 | it tries to start it, asks for the password to sudo, and then doesn't wait for input, just keeps running | 01:44 |
| zor0 | yeah, I've read install.txt | 01:44 |
| Radix-wrk | err.. you mean you weren't running it as root to start with? | 01:44 |
| zor0 | I have no /etc/my.cnf or other mysql/apache install | 01:44 |
| zor0 | no, I wasn't | 01:44 |
| zor0 | none of the docs tell me to | 01:44 |
| Radix-wrk | well you'll need to run it as root | 01:44 |
| zor0 | and the script looked like it was set up to sudo where it needed to | 01:45 |
| zor0 | god damit, why doesn't it say that in the docs? | 01:45 |
| Radix-wrk | okay.. so try it in a root shell? | 01:46 |
| zor0 | doing it now | 01:46 |
| Radix-wrk | did you delete your /data dir and unzip the wre once more from scratch, or just run it again from where you left off before? (I know the wre is fussy like that - it will often bomb out if you do the latter, so I do recommend the former) | 01:48 |
| zor0 | should everything I unpack into /data be owned by root? | 02:00 |
| zor0 | gah! | 02:00 |
| zor0 | Do you have WebGUI local or should I get it from a mirror? {local|mirror} mirror | 02:00 |
| zor0 | Getting current WebGUI version: Failed! Continuing without it. | 02:00 |
| zor0 | Which version do you want to install? [500 Can't connect to update.webgui.org:80 (Bad hostname 'update.webgui.org')] | 02:00 |
| zor0 | is that down? I can't ping it | 02:00 |
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| Radix-wrk | looks like it :( | 02:01 |
| @preaction-m | more likely it's the DNS that's having a problem, i'm trying to restore this system right now | 02:01 |
| Radix-wrk | zor0 - no, everything in /data should not be owned by root | 02:01 |
| Radix-wrk | PING frozen.plainblack.com (207.44.136.25) | 02:01 |
| Radix-wrk | 52 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 50994ms | 02:01 |
| @preaction-m | frozen is dead now too? | 02:02 |
| Radix-wrk | looks like it | 02:02 |
| Radix-wrk | update.webgui.org resolves to frozen | 02:02 |
| Radix-wrk | looks like today might not be the best time to install from the wre (unless you download the webgui manually from sf and use local) | 02:04 |
| @preaction-m | i've been told to fix the DNS first, so give me 30 minutes | 02:06 |
| Radix-wrk | in the meantime.. http://www.overclockers.com.au/image.php?pic=images/newspics/rainbow.jpg | 02:06 |
| @preaction-m | try now plz? | 02:08 |
| zor0 | I already got it off sourceforge, I'm doing the local install | 02:09 |
| Radix-wrk | frozen still doesn't respond | 02:09 |
| @preaction-m | wtf... | 02:09 |
| Radix-wrk | I can't ping it, and can't ftp to it | 02:09 |
| @preaction-m | it's responding to ssh though... wtf | 02:10 |
| perlm | This may be a really stupid question, but how would I go about editing the file this points at? <link href="^/;style3/css03.css" | 02:10 |
| @preaction-m | perlm: search through your asset tree for "style3", it should be under there | 02:11 |
| @preaction-m | Radix-wrk: update.webgui.org is up now though | 02:11 |
| @preaction-m | frozen just doesn't seem to respond to pings, might be a firewall issue | 02:11 |
| Radix-wrk | okey.. it is via http | 02:12 |
| Radix-wrk | silly me thought it responded via ftp | 02:12 |
| @preaction-m | at least THAT backup went smoothly... | 02:12 |
| zor0 | W00000t!!!! it worketh! | 02:13 |
| Radix-wrk | cool :) | 02:13 |
| Radix-wrk | congrats zor0 | 02:13 |
| @preaction-m | someone should go to the community wiki and make sure that the installing WRE says to use root | 02:13 |
| Radix-wrk | there's a wiki? :) | 02:13 |
| zor0 | heh, yeah... | 02:13 |
| Radix-wrk | ooh.. there is now too | 02:14 |
| @preaction-m | http://www.plainblack.com/support/community-wiki | 02:14 |
| Radix-wrk | personally.. I think it's kinda obvious myself - I mean all of the shell prompts in that document are: "[root@localhost root]#" | 02:15 |
| Radix-wrk | it also says as a prerequisite that you need root access to your server | 02:16 |
| @preaction-m | #WebGUI WebGUI (stable 7.2.3 | beta 7.3.0) | WRE (0.7.2) | Use the Wiki: http://plainblack.com/support/community-wiki | Questions? Ask and wait patiently | Watch for migrant dork herds | 02:20 |
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| @preaction-m | http://plainblack.com/support/community-wiki | Questions? Ask and wait patiently | Watch for | 02:20 |
| @preaction-m | HATE... | 02:20 |
| @preaction-m | this is what I get for using irssi through ssh from mac os x... | 02:21 |
| @preaction-m | and it seems that plainblack.com doesn't have the Redirect asset/wobject/whatever that every other WebGUI site i've seen has... | 02:23 |
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| Radix-wrk | Hmm.. the wiki works differently in IE7 than it does in firefox | 02:24 |
| @preaction-m | not surprised... | 02:25 |
| Radix-wrk | works fine in IE7 | 02:25 |
| Radix-wrk | but in firefox 2.0, it doesn't the most popular and recent changes sections as columns - and if I click on a link it reformats the page and compresses the text somewhat, but doesn't follow the link until I press it again | 02:26 |
| @preaction-m | that's a bug | 02:27 |
| @preaction-m | i had that same thing happen, i thought i just wasn't doing something right | 02:27 |
| Radix-wrk | yeah.. it's definitely a bug | 02:27 |
| @preaction-m | and i've got 90 minutes until big Donorware upgrade... have to eat sometime in there... | 02:27 |
| Radix-wrk | hehe.. go eat man :) | 02:28 |
| @preaction-m | www.cmsmatrix.org is still down, but the rest of Cold is back up | 02:28 |
| @preaction-m | for some weird reason a whole bunch of Threads have no Posts... | 02:28 |
| @preaction-m | and if I do a subselect to figure out which ones, i'll basically crash the box | 02:29 |
| Radix-wrk | yikes | 02:29 |
| @preaction-m | so i have to continually test and delete, test and delete | 02:29 |
| @preaction-m | ... wait a minute... why are there 2067 Threads but only 1500 some Posts? | 02:30 |
| perlm | some of the Posts are multi-threaded | 02:30 |
| perlm | ba-da-ding. Thank you folks, I'll be here all week. | 02:31 |
| * preaction-m throws tomatoes | 02:31 | |
| perlm | :D | 02:31 |
| Radix-wrk | OT: Professional Hosting Services - http://www.overclockers.com.au/pic.php?pic=images/newspics/Hosting.jpg | 02:31 |
| @preaction-m | horrors of hosting: true stories. | 02:32 |
| Radix-wrk | I'm sure there's a few places around who offer exactly that kind of service :) | 02:37 |
| perlm | preaction-m: I've looked at the assets and I can't find where I would change the page templates to have the default point at a different icon for the page header. | 02:39 |
| perlm | oh......when I looked at the Macro it became clear. | 02:41 |
| Radix-wrk | the ^/; macro just adds http://mysite.com/ to the url | 02:43 |
| Radix-wrk | actually.. I don't even think it adds that.. just / or /index.pl? actually | 02:44 |
| Radix-wrk | which was the old way of doing webgui pages in the 5.x versions | 02:44 |
| perlm | it is like the magical invisible macro | 02:45 |
| Radix-wrk | I removed it for all of my css personally. | 02:45 |
| perlm | The style wizard rules......I won't have to edit any CSS at all. <Best Pricess Bride Voice>Truuuuuuue Woooooooove</> | 02:46 |
| Radix-wrk | heh | 02:46 |
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| @preaction-m | four hours later and I return a failure... Stupid old WebGUI not upgrading properly... | 08:18 |
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| perlm | When a new version of WebGUI is released, I wonder how many downloads it gets. | 02:01 |
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| perlm | Should Spectre be ran as root? | 02:06 |
| @preaction-m | perlm: it shouldn't need to be | 02:25 |
| Radix-wrk | as long as it has access to the webgui directory | 02:26 |
| Radix-wrk | webgui itself (with the wre anyway) runs as nobody generally | 02:27 |
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| perlm | Sweet, thanks. | 02:56 |
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| @preaction-m | anyone else here get the WRE to compile for OS X for Intel Macs? | 06:15 |
| Radix-wrk | Don't use os x myself. | 06:25 |
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| * PedersenMJ waves. I've been pondering purchasing access to "WebGUI Done Right", but there is one item that is crucial for me, and I haven't seen reference to it being in there: Does WDR have docs/videos showing how to reskin/retheme webgui? I want to do my own design for it. | 06:28 | |
| Radix-wrk | hiya | 06:29 |
| PedersenMJ | Hiya. | 06:29 |
| PedersenMJ | Sorry if I seemed rude with how I asked the question, but many chans I've been to recently have requested that questions be asked just like that. | 06:30 |
| @preaction-m | that's how it's done on freenode usually | 06:31 |
| Radix-wrk | WebGUI Done Right has a section for creating your own templates and "themes" - though ultimately it's only a guide - there are soooo many ways of doing templates that there is no 'right' way of doing them. | 06:31 |
| PedersenMJ | That's okay. I just haven't been able to grok making my own "theme", and need some pointers as to processes I can follow at all. | 06:31 |
| Radix-wrk | The main thing is learning the core template variables | 06:32 |
| Radix-wrk | And how the different templates work together to create the whole | 06:32 |
| Radix-wrk | Once you learn how those work - you can go create your basic css and layout in dreamweaver or frontpage or any other html editor of your choice really | 06:32 |
| PedersenMJ | That, right there, would be the one question I would need to answer then: Does WDR discuss those? I'm not doing it for work, but rather for me, and $125 out of my pocket is kind of steep when I'm not certain it has what I need most. | 06:33 |
| Radix-wrk | Have you checked out the wiki btw? | 06:33 |
| PedersenMJ | Not really, no. I hate to admit it, but I just found the wiki a few minutes ago (at least, just found *a* wiki, over on webguidev). | 06:34 |
| Radix-wrk | Actually.. the wiki is still very light on UI stuff | 06:34 |
| Radix-wrk | I just looked myself | 06:34 |
| @preaction-m | the wiki is very light period... it was just released the other day :p | 06:35 |
| Radix-wrk | There was a great presentation on how to create a site theme given at the WUC this year | 06:35 |
| Radix-wrk | I was hoping the content from that presentation was up there | 06:35 |
| PedersenMJ | See, I don't *mind* spending the $125, just so long as those pieces are in WDR. The money is not, itself, the problem. Rather, the lack of certainty about what is actually *in* it. | 06:36 |
| Radix-wrk | Well.. the WDR will give you a good starting point - there's a page at http://www.plainblack.com/builders/how-to-build-a-style that will get you started and explains the basics | 06:36 |
| Radix-wrk | Actually.. it's been fleshed out since I last looked.. and looks like the content from the WUC talk - so it'll get you going pretty well | 06:37 |
| PedersenMJ | Ah, thanks. I haven't bought the access yet, but now that I know it's there, I'll be buying it this week (maybe tonight, but doubtful, it's kinda late, and I'd prefer to buy it right when I can start using it). | 06:38 |
| Radix-wrk | Glad I could help | 06:38 |
| PedersenMJ | BTW, do you happen to work for plainblack? | 06:39 |
| Radix-wrk | not me | 06:39 |
| Radix-wrk | preaction does | 06:39 |
| Radix-wrk | he's the only one here atm that does though | 06:39 |
| @preaction-m | they can barely handle me, what do you think they'd do with you? ;) | 06:39 |
| Radix-wrk | I'm the webgui lead on my company's site - and idle here most days in the hope of picking up a bit of knowledge or titbit I can use sometime :) | 06:40 |
| @preaction-m | of course, i'm just a kid compared to most of the people i've been meeting these days | 06:40 |
| PedersenMJ | That's okay. preaction, a suggestion for the website? Don't know if it would be well received, or would actually help, but it would have made me buy access a few months ago. A publicly accessible table of contents for what's in WDR would be a very nice thing. | 06:40 |
| @preaction-m | it's a good idea, another one of those things that i'm surprised hasn't been implemented already | 06:41 |
| Radix-wrk | Good idea actually :) | 06:41 |
| @preaction-m | i'll run it by the big-wigs and see if they'll get our tech writer to do it | 06:41 |
| PedersenMJ | Cool. Glad I can give that idea out :) | 06:42 |
| Radix-wrk | Feel free to stick around - we're always here if you need any more help | 06:42 |
| @preaction-m | sometimes even more PB people come in | 06:42 |
| @preaction-m | er... person... er... roy... | 06:42 |
| Radix-wrk | yeah.. like snapcount.. | 06:43 |
| PedersenMJ | It's the one thing that held me back, as I said (too many times, so will stop saying it now). In case they're curious, tell them to watch for "Michael J. Pedersen" coming in. Like I said, I won't buy it tonight, but will be surprised if I don't buy it tomorrow now. | 06:43 |
| Radix-wrk | though I have seen JT here once - even got to talk to him for a good hour | 06:43 |
| @preaction-m | and he didn't get tempermental? he hates IRC | 06:43 |
| Radix-wrk | hehe | 06:43 |
| @preaction-m | he's got problems dealing w/ people dumber than him, which unfortunately is a great many people | 06:43 |
| @preaction-m | the lucky barstad | 06:44 |
| PedersenMJ | I try not to fit into that category, but when it comes to WebGUI, I'd be very much dumber than him (or most anybody else). | 06:44 |
| Radix-wrk | Was part of the community feedback sessions prior to WG 7 released. He held one session late at night (for us aussies and people in our timezone) - and I happened to be the only one on the channel then | 06:44 |
| Radix-wrk | got to air lots of problems, questions, etc with him then - was perfect timing for us too as we were headlong into WG dev | 06:45 |
| @preaction-m | word | 06:45 |
| PedersenMJ | One thing I wish I could see done is an easier time installing everything on Debian. I've not used RH for a while now, and prefer to avoid it. Ah well, shouldn't complain too much. The setup *does* get done, just is not as easy as I'd like :) | 06:46 |
| Radix-wrk | I think he kept on hoping someone else would come along and ask questions before the time went ;) | 06:46 |
| Radix-wrk | PedersenMJ, yeah.. we ended up switching to the WRE on CentOS 4.3 simply because of the ease of install | 06:47 |
| Radix-wrk | Every other system here I have is debian | 06:47 |
| @preaction-m | PedersenMJ: the source install should compile fine, if you apt-get install build-essential | 06:47 |
| Radix-wrk | I tried managing it through apt-get and using a stable/testing mix, but it got to me after a while | 06:47 |
| PedersenMJ | BTW, please call me either Mike or Ped or Pedersen. I couldn't use my regular handles, as somebody else uses them, but really don't go by this too much. | 06:47 |
| @preaction-m | PedersenMJ: i'm using tab-completion, and usually IRC clients highlight your nickname :p | 06:48 |
| PedersenMJ | Actually, preaction, what always gets to me is all of the extra Perl modules, not all of which are listed as requirements. It takes a good couple of hours to go through the whole list. | 06:48 |
| Radix-wrk | I actually had some wierdo issues with navigations dissappearing that drove me crazy until I worked out it was some perl library that debian had grabbed that was different from what PB and everyone else was using that caused it. | 06:48 |
| PedersenMJ | Fair enough. I won't make you shorten it. If you had to type it all, though, then you've got an option. | 06:48 |
| Radix-wrk | I decided if PB recommended the WRE then we'd start using it, and it's been pretty good since | 06:49 |
| @preaction-m | Radix-wrk: that is weird... another reason I want the WRE to have some faster development... snapcount has some excellent ideas that need implementation | 06:49 |
| @preaction-m | and i've got a backup/restore utility i need to write, so what happened last night never happens again | 06:50 |
| Radix-wrk | Yeah.. it'd be great if the WRE matured a bit | 06:50 |
| PedersenMJ | For me, it's not a hugely viable option, though, as I have a single web server, and need to have other stuff on the same server for now. | 06:50 |
| @preaction-m | the WRE's MySQL does not play nice with others, but that's MySQL's fault | 06:51 |
| @preaction-m | the next version of the WRE should have a new setup script that lets you pick and choose what to install/setup | 06:51 |
| @preaction-m | 0.8 i believe | 06:51 |
| Radix-wrk | yeah, know what you mean PedersenMJ.. I kinda faked that by using different hostnames, ports, and our alternate ip for when we really got stuck. | 06:51 |
| Radix-wrk | port forwarding as well of course | 06:52 |
| PedersenMJ | Well, for now, it's working, so I'm not going to complain a lot. Someday, maybe, I'll take the time to work out an improved (in my mind, anyway) setup script. Of course, that means getting some extra .deb's into Debian, which is problematic in and of itself. | 06:52 |
| PedersenMJ | Or.... Hmmm, idea. Have to add it to my list. Might do a webgui repository, so that it would become possible to do "apt-get install webgui", and get the install done. | 06:56 |
| Radix-wrk | Someone (I have no idea who) created some debian deb's for webgui a while back - http://deb.cyberdiscordia.org/ | 06:56 |
| Radix-wrk | they're a little dated now tho | 06:56 |
| @preaction-m | it is just me, or has the community seemed to have died a little? | 06:56 |
| Radix-wrk | It's never really built up much unfortunately | 06:57 |
| Radix-wrk | the big gap (2 years) between 5.5.8 and 7.0 didn't help as everything was in chaos during that upgrade | 06:57 |
| PedersenMJ | Never looked into the community, myself. But finding out about webgui isn't exactly easy to do. | 06:57 |
| Radix-wrk | Everyone's still getting used to 7.0 I suspect | 06:58 |
| Radix-wrk | IRC is slowly getting bigger I'm glad to say | 06:58 |
| @preaction-m | probably. i've been doing a lot (a lot) of 6.2-7.x upgrades recently | 06:58 |
| Radix-wrk | It used to be that me and crythias were the only ones here for a while | 06:58 |
| Radix-wrk | the biggest issue with webgui is that it's changing so fast still | 07:00 |
| Radix-wrk | Which is great in some ways.. but annoying in others | 07:01 |
| PedersenMJ | That's not just my imagination then! Good! | 07:02 |
| @preaction-m | i'd like to see a better roadmap, with future API changes clearly marked on a map. 8.x breaks This This and This | 07:02 |
| PedersenMJ | It had always seemed like I could check the webpage once every 4-6 weeks and get a new stable release. | 07:02 |
| Radix-wrk | I'd like to see a more reliable stable release | 07:03 |
| PedersenMJ | What issues have you seen with the stable releases that make you say that? | 07:04 |
| @preaction-m | a lot of stability could be gained at the expense of making API changes | 07:04 |
| @preaction-m | if i made the new error handler I want to, a lot more error messages could be made, and a lot more stability could be achieved | 07:04 |
| Radix-wrk | Atm there's a release every week | 07:05 |
| Radix-wrk | regardless of whether it's a beta or a stable release | 07:05 |
| @preaction-m | mostly bugfix releases | 07:05 |
| Radix-wrk | I'm using 7.0.8 stable atm | 07:05 |
| PedersenMJ | I have no problem with a release every week, personally. After all, new betas could come out that often, easily. | 07:05 |
| Radix-wrk | I'd love to get some of the bugfixes, but there's been three major updates since then - and each one of them has a lot of changes and gotchas, so it's not trivial | 07:06 |
| @preaction-m | the upgrades are still doing things nicely. except for the minor caveat about 7.2.0 | 07:07 |
| Radix-wrk | It'd be nicer if the stable releases stuck around for a while.. and were kept uptodate with bugfixes, but no new features. | 07:07 |
| Radix-wrk | I'd like all of the bugfixes up to 7.3.1 - but none of the new features (and possible new bugs as a consequence) | 07:10 |
| Radix-wrk | I'm a software developer myself I might add - we work towards two major releases a year. Webgui has been aiming at one a month of late :) | 07:12 |
| @preaction-m | there's a point there... but there's so much legacy code to go through and make Work... | 07:15 |
| @preaction-m | it would be nice to branch and only backport bugfixes for a span of at least three months | 07:16 |
| PedersenMJ | anyway... Must be rude again, and get going. After midnight here, and need to get up in the morning (on time, for a change). | 07:17 |
| PedersenMJ | Will chat later. | 07:17 |
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| @preaction-m | i think i figured out the issues. intel macs don't like the OpenSSL, MySQL, or ImageMagick that's included with the WRE... | 07:33 |
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| Radix-wrk | Yeah, sorry for dumping that on you preaction - you don't deserve it. Guess I needed to get that out of my system tho - your question set me off! ;) | 08:32 |
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| vidar_ | does the search find content that the user does not have permission to access? | 15:33 |
| ckotil | no | 15:36 |
| ckotil | it hides it | 15:36 |
| Radix__ | yeah.. only shows the content in the search that the user has access to | 16:11 |
| vidar_ | that is what I figured, but some clients thought it was not possible | 16:29 |
| vidar_ | btw | 16:30 |
| vidar_ | there was some talk about a style generator | 16:30 |
| vidar_ | do you know what I mean} | 16:30 |
| Radix__ | yeah, there's a style generator - does basic layouts | 16:35 |
| vidar_ | somehow I have missed hthat one | 16:36 |
| Radix__ | it's a sidebar option if you edit a style I recall | 16:36 |
| vidar_ | were is it? | 16:36 |
| vidar_ | ok | 16:37 |
| Radix__ | Go edit a style, then on the left you'll see Style Wizard | 16:37 |
| Radix__ | It's very basic though - it then gives you two different styles to pick from | 16:37 |
| Radix__ | lets you pick a logo, site name, and the colours | 16:38 |
| Radix__ | Quick way to get started | 16:39 |
| Radix__ | but not much flexibility :) | 16:39 |
| Radix__ | you need to learn css/html and the basic html tags to be able to do more :) | 16:40 |
| vidar_ | ahh | 16:41 |
| vidar_ | I was hoping it was not for the complete site | 16:41 |
| vidar_ | I was hoping it was to divide the content space into regions | 16:41 |
| vidar_ | for the less skilled people here | 16:43 |
| Radix__ | fraid not :( | 16:47 |
| Radix__ | grab dreamweaver or frontpage and do a mock up in that.. | 16:47 |
| Radix__ | it's not hard once you've done that to put it into webgui | 16:47 |
| vidar_ | I know | 16:48 |
| vidar_ | I have quite a lot of css/html exp | 16:48 |
| Radix__ | would be nicer for the newbies I agree | 16:49 |
| Radix__ | ajax driven wizard would be awesome | 16:49 |
| vidar_ | :) | 16:49 |
| vidar_ | yeah | 16:49 |
| xdanger | Something like this would be nice: http://blog.davglass.com/files/yui/grids/ | 17:19 |
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| Radix__ | that would be perfect | 17:23 |
| Radix__ | just need to select where the navigation would go and insert the template tags and it'd be done | 17:24 |
| Radix__ | it's done with the YUI as well.. so should be simple to put into webgui surely | 17:25 |
| xdanger | there is the sidepanel for navigation... | 17:28 |
| xdanger | but thre should be more options than "left/right" and size... | 17:29 |
| xdanger | like top,bottom, etc.. | 17:29 |
| vidar_ | can it only have 2 cols? | 17:52 |
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| vidar_ | this is good stuff | 18:20 |
| vidar_ | would like to see the YUI calendar in webgui | 18:20 |
| vidar_ | ;> | 18:20 |
| ckotil | that is pretty badass. the css grid builder | 18:31 |
| ckotil | i should study that. ive been trying to build my sites without the use of tables. only divs, but its really hard. | 18:31 |
| vidar_ | the css grid is the most difficult thing to build modern website imo | 18:32 |
| ckotil | tables just scale so easily | 18:32 |
| vidar_ | (from a photoshop file) | 18:32 |
| ckotil | ya, i cut up the file the designer has been working on into chunks and throw it in a well laid out table | 18:32 |
| vidar_ | hehe | 18:33 |
| vidar_ | the problem is that designers that only know photoshop have no idea of how hard it can be to implement their design perfecly without tables | 18:34 |
| ckotil | ya, they just know that it can be done using css | 18:35 |
| ckotil | whenever i try to make a site without using tables, just divs and css they never fucking line up | 18:35 |
| ckotil | so fuckem | 18:36 |
| vidar_ | dont understand why designers dont do css themselves | 18:36 |
| ckotil | one more thing to learn | 18:36 |
| vidar_ | one more reason to fire them | 18:36 |
| ckotil | they're content in knowing their adobe apps | 18:36 |
| vidar_ | I would rather pick up a kid that designs counterstrike websites rather than pro photoshoper | 18:37 |
| ckotil | nah, cant fire thtem. | 18:37 |
| vidar_ | because the kids can do both | 18:37 |
| ckotil | im certainly not going to design the site | 18:37 |
| ckotil | heh | 18:38 |
| vidar_ | programmer spending his time in css is bad management | 18:38 |
| ckotil | im no programmer | 18:38 |
| ckotil | i dabble | 18:38 |
| ckotil | my title is web developer | 18:38 |
| vidar_ | ahh | 18:39 |
| vidar_ | have never met one of those | 18:41 |
| vidar_ | so you use dw or similar program do to your job? | 18:42 |
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| ckotil | yeah, for the most part. | 19:13 |
| ckotil | but not entirely | 19:13 |
| vidar_ | I dont know how to use any of those | 19:14 |
| ckotil | im also handy with a text editor | 19:14 |
| ckotil | just point n click | 19:14 |
| ckotil | ;] | 19:14 |
| vidar_ | not really good using the mouse if you know what I mean :> | 19:14 |
| @preaction-m | i've never met a WYSIWYG program that does readable markup/css | 19:48 |
| perlm | Dreamweaver does the best of all the WYSIWYG's I've seen and it is horrible. css must be hand coded to make sense. | 19:52 |
| ckotil | i spoke with a graphic designer the other night and he was hyping up adobe go live. | 20:02 |
| ckotil | i tried it out. i didnt like it | 20:02 |
| @preaction-m | but that's a designer. he probably doesn't understand a single word of CSS "code" | 20:03 |
| vidar_ | he should | 20:49 |
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| ckotil | ya | 22:53 |
| ckotil | these designers can setup a flash web page. thats about it | 22:53 |
| ckotil | recent grads from indiana university bachelor of fine arts program. | 22:53 |
| @preaction-m | so, useless | 22:53 |
| ckotil | as web developers, yes | 22:54 |
| @preaction-m | as functional members of society :p | 22:54 |
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| xdanger | snapcount: are you non-idle? | 04:15 |
| xdanger | Was just wondering about the new calendar... Is there going to be some sort of approval prosess for the events? | 04:16 |
| xdanger | so that I could let my users input events and I could approve or reject them... | 04:16 |
| @snapcount | preaction-m would know | 04:17 |
| @snapcount | I'm not familiar with the original spec | 04:17 |
| xdanger | preaction-m: so?-) | 04:18 |
| @preaction | that's an RFE. currently the workflow activity that commits the events is hard-coded to "Commit without approval", but it could be changed once a config value is created for it | 04:18 |
| xdanger | doesn't sound like much of work =) | 04:20 |
| @preaction | it wouldn't be, no. but for the problem of the recurring events: you'd have to go in and approve each occurrence of a recurring event | 04:20 |
| @preaction | or... the commit process would have to do it for you | 04:20 |
| xdanger | can't you but them under the same versiontag? | 04:21 |
| @preaction | that, and i'd like for the commit process to actually generate those occurrences, rather than having the user wait forever | 04:21 |
| @preaction | it'd probably work, sure | 04:21 |
| @preaction | atm i'm trying to get the WRE working on this intel mac, so JT stops yelling that he bought me a 3000 computer that I don't do dev work on | 04:22 |
| xdanger | 8) | 04:22 |
| @preaction | i've broken down, i'm installing ubuntu on it :p | 04:23 |
| Radix-wrk | hehe | 04:23 |
| xdanger | btw. is there a way to tell spectre to use some other host than the config option sitename? | 04:23 |
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| @preaction | not that i know of | 04:24 |
| xdanger | so i'll just have to tweak /etc/hosts for every site... nice | 04:26 |
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| Radix-wrk | snapcount's in hiding ;) | 09:10 |
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| perlm | Almost everything I know about POE I learned from SPECTRE | 00:54 |
| perlm | WebGUI is the gift that keeps on giving. | 00:55 |
| +crythias | heh | 00:59 |
| +crythias | now we need something called Edgar ... and raven | 00:59 |
| +crythias | and usher | 01:00 |
| +crythias | 6.2.11 - "The Pit" ... 7.x "The Pendulum" | 01:00 |
| @preaction-m | 8.x - The Beating of His Hideous Heart? | 01:20 |
| +crythias | The Cask | 01:44 |
| snapcount | we should come up with a codename for 8.x | 02:07 |
| snapcount | rabid monkey | 02:08 |
| snapcount | the cleaner | 02:08 |
| snapcount | longhorn | 02:08 |
| snapcount | oh wait | 02:08 |
| snapcount | =) | 02:08 |
| perlm | I'm writing an application which is targetted at the desktop, but I wonder if it is presumptious of me to think users could install Apache and use WebGUI as the front end? | 02:18 |
| @preaction | there is the WRE | 02:39 |
| @preaction | but probably presumptuous | 02:39 |
| @preaction | why not a web service? some sort of web-based interface to a program that stores things on the client's computer | 02:39 |
| +crythias | It's presumptuous to assume people can install WebGUI. | 02:54 |
| Radix__ | I dunno.. if you use the windows wre and tweak it to use different port addresses from the norm - you'd probably have a pretty good chance of it working | 02:59 |
| Radix__ | the old webgui unzip n run actually worked surprisingly well I found.. unless something was already using port 80 (like IIS) | 03:00 |
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| Radix__ | hello likemick | 04:58 |
| likemick | hi there | 04:58 |
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| PedersenMJ | I've got an idea for something fairly large to plugin to webgui, but don't know if this would be a bad one. I've got a squid proxy at work, and am thinking that writing up a plugin for webgui which can write that config file might be a good thing. | 06:48 |
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| ckotil | i cant install the wre. i run sh build.sh as root. | 22:02 |
| ckotil | Stop in /usr/data/wrebuild/source/utils/lftp-3.3.4. | 22:02 |
| ckotil | WRE ERROR: lftp make did not complete successfully. | 22:02 |
| ckotil | fails at lftp | 22:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | Hey, all | 00:00 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm fixing WebGUI bugs today. | 00:00 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm working on a Wiki bug in particular right now, and am stuck using an old browser here at work. | 00:01 |
| +perlDreamer | Is anyone willing to do a little testing for me? | 00:01 |
| +perlDreamer | You would need to have a SVN copy of wG running. | 00:01 |
| ckotil | im running 7.3.1 | 00:09 |
| +perlDreamer | That would work, but having a copy of 7.3.2 would be better. | 00:10 |
| ckotil | and have the wiki on the front page | 00:10 |
| @preaction-m | perlDreamer: let me update SVN, restart wG, and see what's up | 00:10 |
| ckotil | http://newt.grnoc.iu.edu/webgui | 00:10 |
| +perlDreamer | ckotil: You okay doing manual patches? | 00:10 |
| ckotil | sure/ | 00:10 |
| ckotil | ive done them in the past. just haev to go in order. | 00:11 |
| ckotil | in teh past (before i knew about upgrade.pm --doit | 00:11 |
| +perlDreamer | The bug I'm working on has to do with Wiki page history. So first, please create some wiki page and then make 3 consecutive edits to it. | 00:11 |
| +perlDreamer | this upgrade will be _much_ more manual than that. This is text editor work | 00:11 |
| ckotil | o | 00:12 |
| @preaction-m | perlDreamer: run an svn diff? | 00:12 |
| ckotil | never done it. | 00:12 |
| ckotil | sorry | 00:12 |
| +perlDreamer | svn diff would work as long as I'm diffing against 7.3.1 | 00:12 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction-m: this might be better to do with you since you're also a wG hacker. You got time? | 00:13 |
| @preaction-m | you should be able to pass a -r to diff, iirc | 00:13 |
| @preaction-m | that's the thing, i've got an emergency install, if this person gets my login working | 00:13 |
| @preaction-m | might have a few minutes | 00:13 |
| ckotil | in that case. im heading home. good luck | 00:13 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks for the offer, ckotil | 00:13 |
| +perlDreamer | Doug, try this: | 00:14 |
| +perlDreamer | Go into lib/WebGUI/Asset/WikiPage.pm | 00:14 |
| +perlDreamer | jump to line 316 | 00:14 |
| +perlDreamer | change all selfs into revisions so that they refer to revisions of the page rather than the current page. | 00:15 |
| +perlDreamer | i.e. date => $date->epochToHuman($revision->get("revisionDate")) | 00:15 |
| @preaction-m | k, give me a moment | 00:15 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm like 99.995% positive this is right, but I really don't like checking in untested code | 00:16 |
| +perlDreamer | due to hard experience | 00:16 |
| @preaction-m | you don't have a web-facing dev server? | 00:16 |
| +perlDreamer | Oh, I have a dev server, but a really old browser that doesn't work well with Ajax or YUI | 00:17 |
| +perlDreamer | Mozilla 1.4 | 00:17 |
| @preaction-m | web-facing, so I could see it | 00:17 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, no | 00:17 |
| +perlDreamer | not here at $dayJob | 00:17 |
| +perlDreamer | During the day I design chips for cell phone batteries | 00:17 |
| +perlDreamer | During the night I become perlDreamer, hack of wG tests, bugs and documentation | 00:18 |
| @preaction-m | i've been asking JT to get one... demo only works for latest release. i'd like a "test" that would use latest SVN, updated at the click of a button | 00:18 |
| @preaction-m | he keeps telling me it's pointless | 00:18 |
| @preaction-m | maybe i'll install a reverse proxy and use a semi-dormant computer i have for it | 00:18 |
| +perlDreamer | It would require a lot of manual intervention. You'd want to lock it while 1 dev is using it. | 00:18 |
| +perlDreamer | otherwise I could reset it while you're trying to use it and vice versa | 00:19 |
| @preaction-m | it would just update the source, using Apache2::Reload so it shouldn't mess things up (unless someone goes all ape-shit on it) | 00:19 |
| @preaction-m | but i suppose I could make it lockable, give certain users passwords, etc... | 00:19 |
| @preaction-m | another thing on my list after better Error handling and a full backup/recovery suite... | 00:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | and documenting the Calendar and Event Assets? :) | 00:20 |
| @preaction-m | pfft. low on the list. make them use the source :p | 00:20 |
| @preaction-m | but i do need to do some rewriting to the API | 00:21 |
| @preaction-m | altered, testing | 00:24 |
| +perlDreamer | Just create a Wiki page, make 2-3 page edits, then look at the page history. | 00:24 |
| +perlDreamer | In the original bug, all icons should have URLs that point to the same revision (current) | 00:25 |
| +perlDreamer | If the bug is fixed,all URLs will be different. | 00:25 |
| +perlDreamer | Dates will be affected the same way (with bug, all same (current), w/o fix, different and correct) | 00:25 |
| @preaction-m | looks like i had a failed upgrade... must fix | 00:27 |
| +perlDreamer | brb | 00:29 |
| +perlDreamer | back | 00:33 |
| @preaction-m | um... where can I add a wikipage? i think things have gotten messed up a little bit | 00:33 |
| +perlDreamer | You add wikipages on the search interface | 00:34 |
| @preaction-m | not seeing a link there | 00:34 |
| @preaction-m | i'm upgrading to 7.3.2 | 00:34 |
| @preaction-m | and for some reason Apache2::Reload isn't working appropriately | 00:39 |
| @preaction-m | your fix works | 00:40 |
| +perlDreamer | sweet! | 00:44 |
| +perlDreamer | Thanks, Doug | 00:44 |
| @preaction-m | no problem | 00:44 |
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| perlm | WebGUI's search passed the XSS "><SCRIPT>alert('XSS%20Testing')</SCRIPT> attack | 01:47 |
| perlm | bravo | 01:47 |
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| Radix-wrk | Hmm.. how do you import a package into webgui these days? I want to import the phpbb skin, but can't figure out where to do so | 06:52 |
| Radix-wrk | And while I'm asking questions.. how do you create a new page in the webgui wiki? | 06:54 |
| Radix-wrk | the community wiki I mean | 06:54 |
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| davo | Radix r u there? | 06:57 |
| davo | Jesse? | 06:58 |
| davo | i just read your reply to my post ("How to offer free blogs to users?") | 07:00 |
| davo | thanks for answer | 07:00 |
| davo | i want to talk you about ideas in order to build some perl code to achive this goal... | 07:01 |
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| vcb | my name is David.. by the way... | 07:06 |
| Radix-wrk | hiya | 07:20 |
| vcb | hi | 07:20 |
| vcb | thanks for post | 07:21 |
| Radix-wrk | I'm no expert when it comes to using the API - but I've scratched the surface of it a bit, so got a feel for how powerful it is :) | 07:21 |
| vcb | did you write any code for webgui yet? | 07:22 |
| Radix-wrk | nothing in webgui no, just a small script to create users and set them up that we use in the office here. | 07:23 |
| vcb | i see.. | 07:23 |
| Radix-wrk | You can do prettymuch anything with the WebGUI API if you put your mind to it - and it's pretty well documented (webguidev.com) | 07:24 |
| vcb | i was thinking about your suggest... | 07:24 |
| Radix-wrk | I'd try it manually to start with.. add a user, add a group, make the user belong to the group, then add a blog page, and set permissions for the page so that members of that group have edit permissions | 07:25 |
| vcb | cool | 07:25 |
| Radix-wrk | Once you're happy with the process - you could look at automating it a bit using the API | 07:26 |
| vcb | what about the performance handling many groups (one for each user)? i hope to host about 50,000 users | 07:26 |
| Radix-wrk | maybe when the user signs up they can click on a button which sets them up with their own blog page (and creates the group, page and permissions automatically) | 07:26 |
| Radix-wrk | now that's something I've no idea on really | 07:27 |
| vcb | you think webgui can handle several groups? | 07:28 |
| Radix-wrk | We have about 4000 users here, but they don't have edit privileges - I'm sure the edit side of things will add more load than a browsing user | 07:28 |
| Radix-wrk | All depends what kind of server you have too :) | 07:28 |
| Radix-wrk | you can cluster mysql servers for example.. and if you're using the wre you'll get big performance boost from the modproxy setup | 07:29 |
| vcb | mm.. by the way.. it's better to use WRE over manually install? | 07:29 |
| Radix-wrk | the WRE is the recommended way to install webgui | 07:30 |
| vcb | even if i have a dedicated proxy in front of webgui host? | 07:30 |
| Radix-wrk | it has everything you need built in, it's optimised and far easier to set up than using the webgui source | 07:31 |
| Radix-wrk | that said.. if you have it set up already, and you're confident with apache/mysql tweaking - you'll probably do better on your own :) | 07:31 |
| vcb | jeje.. ok | 07:32 |
| Radix-wrk | the only thing I've ever found is that sometimes the perl modules that ship with the WRE are better tested than the ones you get with distros | 07:32 |
| vcb | yes WRE should be more stable | 07:32 |
| Radix-wrk | I had a wierd nav bug that bugged me for ages before I found out it was a bug in some perl module I was using | 07:33 |
| vcb | but i always prefer to be a tester | 07:33 |
| vcb | what module? | 07:33 |
| vcb | which one> | 07:33 |
| Radix-wrk | I don't know | 07:33 |
| vcb | ;) | 07:33 |
| Radix-wrk | I ditched debian and switched to the WRE around that time :) | 07:34 |
| vcb | I'm looking forward to learn how API works... | 07:35 |
| Radix-wrk | you know perl I hope? :) | 07:38 |
| Radix-wrk | for my script I used the importUser.pl script that came with webgui as the base.. just rewrote it to accept some parameters and created the user accounts that way. You'd need to use a different example, but maybe there's something in the sbin that could give you a few pointers. | 07:41 |
| vcb | yes.. love perl | 07:41 |
| Radix-wrk | cool | 07:42 |
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| Radix-wrk | You'll have a ball then. I had to learn perl as I went ;) | 07:42 |
| vcb | i see.. | 07:43 |
| vcb | do you think there is a chance of hearing some ideas from core developers about this feature? | 07:45 |
| Radix-wrk | You can always talk to PB directly about it sure. That's where the PB support contract comes in handy - you can bounce things off them and ask for help if you get stuck (or run into a problem) | 07:46 |
| vcb | i see | 07:47 |
| Radix-wrk | preaction on here works for PB (though he's a new recruit, so is still learning himself in some ways), and occasionally other developers jump on here too | 07:47 |
| Radix-wrk | http://www.plainblack.com/downloads/builds/7.3.1-beta/api/ - take a look at the API | 07:50 |
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| fdillon | hey Martin, are you around? | 18:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 18:11 |
| fdillon | sweet | 18:12 |
| fdillon | I have a question for you | 18:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | shoot | 18:12 |
| fdillon | give me a minute | 18:12 |
| fdillon | distractions and stuff | 18:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 18:12 |
| fdillon | do you know anything about the WRE for 6.2.11? | 18:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | no | 18:13 |
| fdillon | alright then | 18:13 |
| fdillon | that's my question | 18:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | I tried to compile the wre for gentoo last weekend | 18:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | it failed | 18:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | but my guess is | 18:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | that it's a problem of the getoo install | 18:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | never used the wre before | 18:14 |
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| camidin | hello! how to mix collaboration system properties with a data for asset (how to allow comments to each entry of data form). | 22:57 |
| vcb | maybe creating a forum dynamicly, using the dataform post ID as the collaboration system url? | 23:40 |
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| vcb | is there a way to create content using a macro? for example: ^newContent(Forum, title, /home/aforum, templateid) ?? | 00:20 |
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| camidin | thanks vcb.. working on your ideas | 01:01 |
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| ckotil | id like to be able to xfer assets from one gui installation to another. | 16:36 |
| ckotil | WebGUI* | 16:37 |
| ckotil | is ther a find/relpace function? | 17:04 |
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| ckotil | is there a known bug with http proxy that prevents rewritten links from being followed properly? they dont seem to retain the page layout. they just go off on there own. so i lose my template styling | 22:15 |
| ckotil | seems to be in 7.2.1 | 22:28 |
| ckotil | guess i must upgrade | 22:28 |
| @preaction-m | ckotil: I thought I fixed that | 22:42 |
| ckotil | yeah in 7.2.3 | 22:45 |
| ckotil | im good now thanks | 22:45 |
| ckotil | 7.2.2* | 23:09 |
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| ckotil | preaction-m: http proxy's hide from navigation doesnt do squat. | 15:39 |
| ckotil | Id like for it not to be hidden. | 15:39 |
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| +crythia1 | yawn | 18:20 |
| +crythia1 | hee | 18:21 |
| +crythia1 | someone needs to fix the wiki | 18:21 |
| +crythia1 | preaction preaction-m buzz buzz buzz | 18:22 |
| @preaction-m | fix the wiki how? | 20:23 |
| +crythia1 | heh | 20:23 |
| +crythia1 | it's fixed, now | 20:23 |
| @preaction-m | and odon't mention the Calendar stuff that fell out of scope | 20:23 |
| @preaction-m | thank ckotil | 20:23 |
| +crythia1 | it used to say "An internationalization label...." | 20:23 |
| @preaction-m | oh, that crap | 20:23 |
| +crythia1 | hee | 20:24 |
| +crythia1 | I solved the encryption thing and he didn't like it. | 20:24 |
| @preaction-m | is it PB policy to work devs until they collapse? drake just did :p | 20:24 |
| +crythia1 | drake worked a developer or collapsed? | 20:25 |
| @preaction-m | encryption thing? oh.. tikititiktitititi | 20:25 |
| @preaction-m | collapsed | 20:25 |
| +crythia1 | bummer. | 20:25 |
| @preaction-m | c'est la vie, frank's going apeshit right now | 20:25 |
| +crythia1 | oh? | 20:25 |
| +crythia1 | and.. "la vee" | 20:26 |
| @preaction-m | three projects reaching deadline, plus normal operations | 20:26 |
| @preaction-m | and the end-of-year blitz to get people upgraded to 7.x | 20:26 |
| @preaction-m | (because they just HAD to wait until the last minute) | 20:26 |
| @preaction-m | should've told Sparton to frell off... but whatevz | 20:27 |
| @preaction-m | uh... i mean... hi! | 20:27 |
| * preaction-m hides | 20:27 | |
| -!- preaction-m changed the topic of #webgui to: WebGUI (stable 7.2.3 | beta 7.3.2) | WRE (0.7.2) | Use the Wiki: http://plainblack.com/support/community-wiki | Questions? Ask and wait patiently | Watch for migrant dork herds | 20:28 | |
| +crythia1 | once again, bug fixes in beta. GRUMBLE! | 20:30 |
| +crythia1 | I'm sick of this. | 20:30 |
| +crythia1 | I don't care if the next one is stable, I'm tempted to just stop. | 20:30 |
| @preaction-m | the huh now? | 20:32 |
| @preaction-m | i'll be the first to apologize, i haven't been able to get the "bugs" out of the calendar, because i've been on other projects | 20:32 |
| +crythia1 | it doesn't do the general populace any good to release bugfixes as part of a beta release | 20:33 |
| @preaction-m | hell, i haven't been able to do any bugfixes, it's all "Do this soap masquerade CGI script" or "Do this alumni project" or "do this instead of bugfixen" | 20:33 |
| +crythia1 | Plainblack might as well just link to the nightly build as a "release" and go on with life. | 20:34 |
| @preaction-m | imho, they should stop trying to release every week, unless there's a bugfix. and we should branch for each minor version (and also make a branch for the next major version, so I can toy with breaking API) | 20:34 |
| @preaction-m | or just make a branch for me. WebGUI-doug | 20:35 |
| +crythia1 | the main thing that irritates me is that bug fixes, including oh, I don't know... PHISHING ATTACK bug fixes should maybe make it into a STABLE release. | 20:35 |
| @preaction-m | that we had long discussion about, it might've had to break API | 20:36 |
| @preaction-m | imho it wasn't ba bug if you set up apache to filter based on referer | 20:36 |
| * crythia1 shrugs | 20:36 | |
| @preaction-m | (of course, that does make an extra step from direct-linking to uploads) | 20:37 |
| +crythia1 | not my problem. "This fixes all these issues, but don't put it in production..." | 20:37 |
| @preaction-m | some of our devs don't backport fixes correctly | 20:37 |
| @preaction-m | when we branch, at least | 20:37 |
| @preaction-m | currently there is no branch, so no backporting | 20:37 |
| +crythia1 | again, backport isn't a thang. | 20:37 |
| @preaction-m | but if we did branch, we'd always have a stable release, and all bugfixen would make it into a stable release | 20:38 |
| +crythia1 | *gasp* | 20:38 |
| +crythia1 | and I said in the dev list I don't even care if you make a for-vendor release. | 20:39 |
| +crythia1 | er. for-client | 20:39 |
| +crythia1 | doesn't make me no nevermind. | 20:39 |
| @preaction-m | when? i need to restart spectre on plainblack.com because it's gunked up again... | 20:39 |
| +crythia1 | chad? | 20:39 |
| +crythia1 | erm. I mean spectre... | 20:40 |
| @preaction-m | i'm not familiar with that acronym | 20:40 |
| +crythia1 | as in ... hanging... | 20:40 |
| @preaction-m | funny thing is JT making a talk about it at Madison.pm, should I go heckle him about the bugs? rofl | 20:41 |
| +crythia1 | stoopid search | 20:42 |
| ckotil | chad here | 20:42 |
| +crythia1 | heh | 20:42 |
| ckotil | doh! | 20:42 |
| @preaction-m | yyou know what, screw this. i'm setting up an hourly cronjob to restart spectre on frozen... | 20:43 |
| ckotil | luckily i only heard that a handful of times back during those electiions | 20:43 |
| ckotil | i setup a script to restart it 24hrs | 20:43 |
| ckotil | cron + script | 20:43 |
| +crythia1 | search is broken | 20:43 |
| ckotil | in what version? | 20:43 |
| +crythia1 | current | 20:43 |
| +crythia1 | plainblack.com | 20:44 |
| +crythia1 | http://www.plainblack.com/webgui/dev/discuss?func=search | 20:44 |
| +crythia1 | I put in *my* username | 20:44 |
| +crythia1 | why would I see *every* post? | 20:44 |
| +crythia1 | even if the post isn't checking username for the search, it does check content. | 20:45 |
| +crythia1 | I guarantee I won't show up in 7.3.2 is Released | 20:45 |
| +crythia1 | preaction: http://www.plainblack.com/webgui/dev/discuss/svn-branched-for-7.2 | 20:47 |
| @preaction-m | i've been pondering a new upgrade system, using diffs and pluggable modules (so one part of the upgrade can fail and decide if the rest of the upgrade should continue) | 20:50 |
| @preaction-m | would also fix the problem of upgrade "steps", as the diffs would be applied per-version | 20:50 |
| +crythia1 | IMO, there should be no reason that any upgrade path can't handle the steps. | 20:51 |
| @preaction-m | like the 7.2 step because of a bugfix in the trash function? | 20:52 |
| +crythia1 | "For those of you concerned about bug fixes, I'll give you this reassurance at least. No new R&D (or releases) will be done to WebGUI core by Plain Black staff until all the bugs on the bug board are cleared up. The only exception to this rule is for client funded features because they deserve to get their features without waiting for them. In this way there should be far more bugfix releases than normal releases. In addition, this will be the policy going f | 20:52 |
| @preaction-m | we have only been working on client-funded features, though I don't know about the wiki | 20:54 |
| @preaction-m | i'd pipe up, but the thread is old. backporting fixes is as easy as `svn diff > backport.patch; cd Old_WebGUI; patch -p0 < /path/to/backport.patch" | 20:56 |
| +crythia1 | mhmm.. | 20:56 |
| @preaction-m | give me some more time to get stable in this environment, I'm making plans | 20:57 |
| +crythia1 | In the market for a laptop? http://www.costcentral.com/proddetail/HP_Compaq_Business_Notebook_nx6325/RB544UTABA/K36949/extended/ | 20:59 |
| @preaction-m | nope, JT bought me a MacBook Pro, and gets pissed when I tell him I can't compile the WRE on it. so i've been tying to get a linux kernel to work apporpriately (i always lose at least one necessary piece of hardware, no matter what version kernel) | 21:00 |
| @preaction-m | if it's not wireless internet, it's sound. those seem to be the two features i can't get to cooperate together | 21:02 |
| @preaction-m | ... it's been two hours since i started on the boards... breaktime! | 21:07 |
| ckotil | heres a security question for you guys. Is it ok for me to keep both public and private (group access controlled) files in the same folder asset? | 21:18 |
| ckotil | or should i setup a private folder to contain them | 21:18 |
| @preaction-m | it should be fine, if it isn't fine, that's a bug | 21:21 |
| ckotil | kthx | 21:32 |
| ckotil | i set them up in their own folders just for good practice | 21:32 |
| ckotil | phpbbforum template is busted in 7.2.3 | 21:51 |
| ckotil | sonuva bitch. i was gonna wow my coworkers with that. | 21:52 |
| ckotil | says invalid asset where addtopic would be. :/ | 21:52 |
| ckotil | and where'd the wiki go? | 21:57 |
| ckotil | oh its in the beta. | 21:57 |
| ckotil | shit | 21:57 |
| ckotil | i just cant win today | 21:58 |
| @preaction-m | amen to that... | 22:10 |
| ckotil | anyone have more than 15megs in their cache? | 22:13 |
| @preaction-m | i've seen gigs of cache before | 22:13 |
| ckotil | killer. | 22:14 |
| @preaction-m | pb.com has hundreds of MBs | 22:14 |
| ckotil | then im not worried abotu scalability at all | 22:14 |
| ckotil | thats great news | 22:14 |
| @preaction-m | 20 minutes to just do an rm -rf on the WebGUICache | 22:14 |
| ckotil | hehe | 22:14 |
| @preaction-m | i'd worry more about processor / disk speed first | 22:15 |
| @preaction-m | the /. effect (how pretentious..) | 22:15 |
| ckotil | word. | 22:16 |
| ckotil | damnit....did the clipboard happen to break lately? | 22:17 |
| ckotil | between 7.2.1 and 7.2.3 ? | 22:17 |
| @preaction-m | not that i'm aware of, did you make sure it was committed before you tried to copy/paste it? | 22:17 |
| ckotil | sorry. wasnt on the right version tag | 22:17 |
| ckotil | im unable to add posts to my forums/message boards. | 22:30 |
| ckotil | im dealing with a bug here. | 22:52 |
| ckotil | i have a collaboration system/forum i setup weeks ago. | 22:52 |
| ckotil | it still works fine | 22:52 |
| ckotil | but i cant create a new one | 22:52 |
| ckotil | ive even tried copy & pastre | 22:53 |
| ckotil | i almost think its stemming from the fact that i rigged an rss asset before one shipped with webgui. by using a code snipet and navigation asset | 22:56 |
| ckotil | FUCK | 23:01 |
| ckotil | i really hope i didnt screw something up permanantly. | 23:46 |
| @preaction-m | does your rigged RSS asset screw with things in the core? | 23:46 |
| ckotil | like i used to back in the good ole days | 23:46 |
| ckotil | no not at all | 23:47 |
| ckotil | it was jsut a snippet to output the xml | 23:47 |
| @preaction-m | the new RSSfromParent thingy should do what you need it to | 23:47 |
| ckotil | and then a navigatiotn asset to cycle through the threads | 23:47 |
| @preaction-m | are you trying to create a CS with your RSS thingy? | 23:47 |
| ckotil | im sure the rssfrom parent will be fine. its just that right now i can no longer create new threads | 23:47 |
| ckotil | im not concerned with the rss right now | 23:48 |
| ckotil | im just listing that as apossibility for my problem | 23:48 |
| @preaction-m | i'm just trying to verify that it's not your code | 23:48 |
| ckotil | which is when i create a collab system or message board. i cant create new posts | 23:48 |
| ckotil | i didnt touch the code | 23:48 |
| @preaction-m | so we can get to proper diagnosis | 23:48 |
| * ckotil nods | 23:48 | |
| @preaction-m | did you commit the CS before you tried to make a post? | 23:48 |
| ckotil | ;] | 23:48 |
| @preaction-m | that changed recently | 23:49 |
| ckotil | if thats the case. ill be damned | 23:49 |
| ckotil | ill give it a shot | 23:49 |
| @preaction-m | something about packages containing CSs and Threads, and weird stuff | 23:49 |
| ckotil | id hug you right now if i could | 23:49 |
| @preaction-m | it was a horrible bug, it's probably still a bug, but forcing the CS to be committed seems to fix it | 23:49 |
| ckotil | thanks. | 23:50 |
| @preaction-m | better idea: tell me i'm right about this: http://www.plainblack.com/etcetera/webgui-bashing-at-glaven_org | 23:50 |
| @preaction-m | this person is a donorware employee, so i totally understand all their grievances with WebGUI and JT | 23:51 |
| @preaction-m | but, being honest, Donorware is a bit of a punishment around here. I do it because I'm polite and I seem to handle it better than everyone else | 23:51 |
| @preaction-m | they're about to get a bill from PB for about 5 extra support hours ($1,000) so I don't know how much they'll like me after that | 23:52 |
| @preaction-m | plus whatever i do tonight, probably 3-5 more hours | 23:52 |
| ckotil | this guy is an idiot. | 23:53 |
| ckotil | i like #23 . about multiple sites | 23:53 |
| @preaction-m | i wantd to say that, but i'm staff, so i have to be polite | 23:53 |
| ckotil | i run multiple sites on multiple domains | 23:54 |
| ckotil | i pulled some shit out of my ass. but hey, it works very well | 23:54 |
| ckotil | mod_rewrite | 23:54 |
| @preaction-m | and i'm not up on the ancient versions, so it Might have been a problem back then, but it's definately not now | 23:54 |
| ckotil | #27 wg's config files are a mess.. uhm hello. thats unix | 23:54 |
| ckotil | yeah i joined around 6.9 | 23:54 |
| @preaction-m | they're JSON now, they were PlainConfig which was INI-style | 23:54 |
| ckotil | just as 7 was about to come out | 23:54 |
| ckotil | his issues with search have been fixed. | 23:55 |
| @preaction-m | JSON is messier i believe, but they're data structures, which is not INI-friendly | 23:55 |
| ckotil | im gonna reply to the thread | 23:55 |
| @preaction-m | and i didn't add anything about JT, but JT can be an ass sometimes (he's a geek, social graces aren't required learning) | 23:56 |
| ckotil | heh | 23:56 |
| ckotil | I like JT. he's always been straight with me | 23:57 |
| @preaction-m | that's it, he's straight and to the point, not polite, they're mutually exclusive | 23:57 |
| @preaction-m | were i more fragile, i could say he's an ass, but he's also in charge, i'll argue my case with him and sometimes i can even win | 23:58 |
| @preaction-m | if i stand up for myself and my position. he's alpha geek | 23:58 |
| @preaction-m | "The adminstrative overhead is too high.." Donorware has so much crap going on in their system it's unbelievable... Now that they're migrating to the WRE, it's all going to be great | 23:59 |
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| @preaction-m | i should get back to work though, if Frank finds out i took an hour to write that, he'll KILL ME | 00:00 |
| ckotil | hehe | 00:01 |
| ckotil | thanks for the help. im out of here. i wrote a little something to that thread | 00:01 |
| @preaction-m | thanks, have fun | 00:11 |
| xdanger | hehe, the point 1... I run webgui on 4.1 wich comes with debian =D | 00:13 |
| xdanger | and if that's not stable, then mysql isn't ever stable... | 00:13 |
| xdanger | wait.. it isn't =DD | 00:13 |
| xdanger | I hate mysql | 00:13 |
| xdanger | postgresql for teh win! | 00:13 |
| @preaction-m | i hate postgresql, SQLite FTW! | 00:16 |
| @preaction-m | oi could never figure out PG's configuration | 00:16 |
| xdanger | well.. i liked sqlite until I had to use it for a reporting project.. | 00:23 |
| xdanger | if you do int/int=int so 5/2=3, you have to cast(x as fload)/y to get the right solution | 00:25 |
| xdanger | PG is hard to configure, I give you that.. put that's small price to pay for a real DB | 00:25 |
| xdanger | we played with the idea of converting webgui to postgresql, but we have better things to do | 00:26 |
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| Radix__ | mornin all | 02:50 |
| @preaction-m | mornin indeed | 03:10 |
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| +crythias | Merry Christmas! | 07:23 |
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| Radix__ | Merry Christmas :) | 12:23 |
| Radix__ | Was a very hot christmas day here - 35'C - but a good one :) | 12:24 |
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| @preaction-m | Merry Xmas everyone. I get to celebrate by installing WinXP over a WinME install at my mom's house | 23:15 |
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| Radix__ | You need one of those thinkgeek t's - "No, I will not fix your computer." I have one and wear it to all family gatherings. | 03:44 |
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| +MrHairgrease | anybody out there? | 18:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | where's the webgui.log supposed to be in teh wre? | 18:45 |
| +crythias | check the .confs | 18:45 |
| +crythias | but it's probably in logs dir | 18:45 |
| +crythias | /data/wre/apache/logs or some such | 18:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah but what if it's not in the conf? | 18:50 |
| +crythias | modperl.conf or modproxy.conf? | 18:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh | 18:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | of course | 18:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'm being a dumbass | 18:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 18:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | thanks | 18:51 |
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| cap10morgan | Hey, I'm trying to upgrade 6.8.10 to 7.1.3 and I'm getting this error: "Cannot open config file: at ../../lib/WebGUI/Config.pm line 348, <DATA> line 225." Like there's a blank config file key in the %configs hash in upgrade.pl. Any idea what could be causing this? | 21:17 |
| cap10morgan | I thought it filled the keys of that hash w/ every file that ends in .conf that's not log.conf or spectre.conf? | 21:17 |
| +crythias | can't open config file is generally any path problem. | 21:19 |
| +crythias | start with where you're running upgrade.pl | 21:19 |
| +crythias | don't put your .conf there, but ... | 21:19 |
| cap10morgan | i'm running it in webgui_root/sbin | 21:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | did you set the configfile in the apache.conf? | 21:19 |
| +crythias | if you're not in WebGUI/sbin, the relative path might... | 21:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | in the vhost taht is | 21:19 |
| cap10morgan | sudo perl upgrade.pl --doit --skipBackup | 21:20 |
| cap10morgan | it's a bunch of different configfiles | 21:20 |
| cap10morgan | for lots of sites | 21:20 |
| +crythias | don't sudo | 21:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | you don't have to sudo | 21:20 |
| +crythias | run as root | 21:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh | 21:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | one thing | 21:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | iirc | 21:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | you first have to ugrade to 6.99 | 21:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | and then upgrade further to 7.1.3 | 21:22 |
| +crythias | no | 21:22 |
| +crythias | 6.8.10-> 7.1.3 is ok | 21:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 21:22 |
| cap10morgan | crythias: sudo is root | 21:23 |
| +crythias | uh. so su | 21:23 |
| cap10morgan | i don't have root's password, that's why we use sudo :) | 21:23 |
| cap10morgan | i've done an upgrade before w/ sudo, and it worked fine (as well as everything else i do w/ sudo) | 21:24 |
| cap10morgan | and even this script is processing some of the config files fine | 21:24 |
| cap10morgan | but then it gets to this error and bails | 21:24 |
| +crythias | and also check your preload.perl | 21:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | could it be that some conf file is not correct? | 21:25 |
| cap10morgan | checked preload.perl, webgui root is fine | 21:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | preload.perl is only relevant for running apache | 21:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | not for upgrading | 21:25 |
| +crythias | also make sure the conf is in JSON format | 21:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | indeed | 21:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | the upgrade is supposed to handle that though | 21:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | testEenvironments.pl works right? | 21:27 |
| cap10morgan | yep, passes w/ flying colors | 21:28 |
| cap10morgan | also claims i'm using 7.1.3-stable | 21:28 |
| cap10morgan | :) | 21:28 |
| +crythias | um. | 21:29 |
| +crythias | oops | 21:29 |
| cap10morgan | my ultimate goal is to upgrade from 6.6.5 to latest 7.x | 21:29 |
| cap10morgan | so i'm going 6.6.5 -> 6.8.10 -> 7.1.3 -> 7.2.3 | 21:29 |
| cap10morgan | so i should be at 6.8.10 now | 21:29 |
| +crythias | you've messed up a step, then. | 21:29 |
| cap10morgan | ok, i'm not sure what that could be, as i'm using upgrade.pl and reading the gotchas and everything | 21:30 |
| +crythias | if your site says 7.1.3, you're at 7.1.3 so you have to back to 6.8.10 and try again | 21:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | sorry guys | 21:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | gotta go | 21:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | good luck | 21:31 |
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| cap10morgan | ok, but won't that leave me in the same boat? | 21:31 |
| +crythias | dunno. | 21:31 |
| +crythias | there has to be other reasons to fail.. | 21:32 |
| cap10morgan | ok, guess it can't hurt to try | 21:32 |
| * cap10morgan is almost back to 6.6.5 starting point | 22:05 | |
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| Radix__ | Hi JT | 02:32 |
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| @preaction-m | to this day I cannot say the phrase "Eddies in the space-time continuum" without laughing. | 04:27 |
| +perlDreamer | is that where the teacher sent him for putting the tack on his chair? | 04:28 |
| @preaction-m | never knew that "one of these days" was an eyewitness account | 04:30 |
| @rizen | i | 04:40 |
| @rizen | sorry, i should have said AFK before | 04:41 |
| @preaction-m | it's expected, this network hosts an IdleRPG instance (or two) ;) | 04:42 |
| @rizen | so how's it going doug? | 04:42 |
| @preaction-m | not too bad, trying to pick up some slack on the DoS Alumni project | 04:43 |
| @rizen | ah. how was your hanukkah-mas | 04:43 |
| @rizen | and...you're supposed to be taking this week off | 04:43 |
| +perlDreamer | all PB people are workaholics. Y'all should know tha | 04:44 |
| @rizen | no not exactly | 04:44 |
| @preaction-m | standard family affair, new clothes, some stuff for the house, a ticket because someone decided that a single yellow line in the opposite lane is "passing in a no-passing zone" and browbeat a dispatcher into getting an officer to write me up for it | 04:44 |
| @rizen | most of us are | 04:44 |
| @rizen | almost all in fact | 04:44 |
| @preaction-m | except Vrby | 04:44 |
| @preaction-m | or is steve the whipping boy this week? ;) | 04:45 |
| @rizen | all you want for xmas is a ticket? | 04:45 |
| @rizen | drake is my current whipping boy | 04:45 |
| @rizen | for leaving for xmas break 2 days early without telling anyone, and without finishing his project. | 04:46 |
| @rizen | i should say, without telling anyone in advance | 04:46 |
| @preaction-m | "want"? no, that's what I got :p I get a nice court date on the 15th of january, which btw I'll need to miss work for | 04:46 |
| @rizen | no problem man | 04:46 |
| @rizen | just send an email to the staff list | 04:46 |
| @preaction-m | i'm not paying $200 for passing someone legally on one of the worst roads in Fond du Lac county | 04:46 |
| @preaction-m | will do, when we reconvene | 04:47 |
| @rizen | yeah, i'd fight it too | 04:47 |
| @preaction-m | if I fail, at least they can take my $200 and turn the blind corner I passed (techincally legally) on into a No Passing Zone | 04:47 |
| @rizen | i can't wait until we all get together next week | 04:48 |
| @rizen | i want everyone to throw around their ideas for where we go next | 04:48 |
| +perlDreamer | Guadalajara? | 04:49 |
| @preaction-m | indeed. i've been kicking a few things about, some definately stupid, some unworkably awesome | 04:49 |
| @rizen | last year we did it, and roy came up with the worst idea of the year | 04:49 |
| @rizen | so it's going to be a great time i'm sure | 04:49 |
| @preaction-m | plus I get to meet these foreigners. these southerners... these infidels who want to do horrible things to a crucial part of my body... | 04:50 |
| @rizen | true enough | 04:51 |
| @rizen | i have a few totally awesome yet probably unworkable ideas as well | 04:51 |
| @rizen | how you been colin? | 04:52 |
| @rizen | happy festivus? | 04:52 |
| @preaction-m | Merry Chrismahannukwanzika! | 04:53 |
| +perlDreamer | It's very wet here | 04:53 |
| +perlDreamer | But Christmas was good. | 04:53 |
| +perlDreamer | Got to give the kids remote control IR wooden trains | 04:53 |
| +perlDreamer | Haven't seen them in two days | 04:53 |
| +perlDreamer | I've been eating lots of chocolate from an unnamed company in Wisconsin | 04:53 |
| +perlDreamer | and reading 200 hundred pages of Kristi's edits to the help | 04:55 |
| @rizen | hehe | 04:55 |
| +perlDreamer | Fixed 2 bugs in the Rich Editor | 04:55 |
| @preaction-m | Just another thing that I had no idea was even possible when I was a kid, but now that I'm too old to appreciate, complain about. | 04:55 |
| @rizen | glad to hear that you're eating the chocolate, but that was meant to be an apology to kathy | 04:55 |
| @rizen | for having you work on webgui all the time | 04:55 |
| @rizen | =_ | 04:55 |
| @rizen | just kidding | 04:55 |
| +perlDreamer | I gave her a TV-B-Gone for Christmas | 04:56 |
| +perlDreamer | she asked if it came in a model for laptops | 04:56 |
| @rizen | huh? | 04:56 |
| @rizen | what is that? | 04:56 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/electronic/755e/ | 04:56 |
| @rizen | interesting | 04:59 |
| @rizen | so how quickly does it work on your tv? | 04:59 |
| +perlDreamer | 3 seconds. | 04:59 |
| @rizen | nice | 04:59 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm guessing that the laptop thing could be done. | 04:59 |
| @rizen | i don't think so | 04:59 |
| @rizen | i think it would take an emp | 04:59 |
| +perlDreamer | Just hook up an IR receiver to the lid closing sensor and initiate a suspend | 04:59 |
| @rizen | yeah, but that requires an external device | 05:00 |
| +perlDreamer | hmmm..... | 05:00 |
| +perlDreamer | a secure port with authentication over 802.11b | 05:00 |
| +perlDreamer | and a daemon listening to the port of course | 05:00 |
| @rizen | also requires the user to have that running on the box | 05:01 |
| @rizen | the beauty of tv-b-gone is no mod to the tv | 05:01 |
| @rizen | it "just works" | 05:01 |
| @rizen | the only way to do that to a laptop is emp | 05:01 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, and it would turn off the TV while you're at it, too. | 05:03 |
| +perlDreamer | Maybe we could submit that as a Super TV-B-Gone for next year's April Fools | 05:03 |
| @rizen | indeed | 05:04 |
| @rizen | i'll get kristi to write up some marketing schpeel | 05:04 |
| @rizen | and steve to craft a device picture | 05:04 |
| @rizen | and maybe some packaging | 05:05 |
| +perlDreamer | They've added a form for new product submissions. Just tag it as "April Fools" and they should get it. | 05:06 |
| +perlDreamer | Did you have a nice Christmas? | 05:08 |
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| @rizen | i guess...too much family time | 05:08 |
| @rizen | but overall it was good | 05:08 |
| +perlDreamer | new toys? | 05:09 |
| @rizen | i bought myself a new gaming rig today | 05:09 |
| @rizen | i give gifts, but i don't really get them | 05:09 |
| @rizen | partly because i already have everything i want | 05:09 |
| @preaction-m | what Do you get the man who has everything? | 05:09 |
| @rizen | and partly because people know i'm pretty picky | 05:09 |
| @rizen | my new gaming rig is amazing | 05:10 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction-m: gift certificates/cash | 05:10 |
| @rizen | intel quad core extreme processor | 05:10 |
| @rizen | 4 gig ram | 05:10 |
| @rizen | 2 - Nvidia 8800 video cards hooked via sli | 05:10 |
| @rizen | each with 768mb of ram | 05:10 |
| @preaction-m | ... i don't have 4 gig of ram in my entire network... combined... | 05:10 |
| +perlDreamer | At work, I use a 300 MHz UltraSparc | 05:11 |
| +perlDreamer | My new cellphone has more processing power than that. | 05:11 |
| @rizen | yeah, this machine is pretty much top of the line | 05:11 |
| @rizen | it's 5 times more powerful than the machine i use for work | 05:11 |
| @rizen | at least 5 times | 05:11 |
| @rizen | oh...and to make sure it really screams | 05:12 |
| +perlDreamer | water cooling? | 05:12 |
| @rizen | it has 4 3g/s sata2 drives striped at raid 0 | 05:12 |
| @rizen | yup, liquid cooled | 05:12 |
| @rizen | i haven't bought a non-work computer in almost 6 years | 05:13 |
| @rizen | so i made sure that i got the top of the line | 05:13 |
| @preaction-m | i am officially demasculated... i'm leaving to go scrape up what's left of my nerdiness... i think i just coughed it into the other room... | 05:13 |
| @rizen | so it will last me for another 6 years | 05:13 |
| +perlDreamer | XP or advanced copy of Vista? | 05:14 |
| @rizen | you shouldn't feel bad..the machine that i bought you for work is amazing for a laptop | 05:14 |
| @rizen | xp...i'm not putting vista on it ever | 05:14 |
| @rizen | did you read what they're doing with vista | 05:14 |
| @rizen | ?? | 05:14 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 05:14 |
| @rizen | screw that | 05:14 |
| +perlDreamer | but some people make strange choices | 05:14 |
| +perlDreamer | to play games | 05:14 |
| @rizen | i just bought the best hardware on the market | 05:15 |
| @rizen | only to have it run half as fast | 05:15 |
| @rizen | and not as good | 05:15 |
| @preaction-m | what's this about vista? i haven't listened since they made me buy XP about 3 times | 05:15 |
| @rizen | because ms decided to create a drm system | 05:15 |
| @preaction-m | ah yes, trustless computing | 05:15 |
| @rizen | http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt | 05:15 |
| +perlDreamer | I've seen that post mentioned, but haven't read it yet. | 05:16 |
| @rizen | you should read it | 05:16 |
| @rizen | i've been researching this new rig for about 3 months now | 05:16 |
| @rizen | and i was waiting for vista to buy it | 05:16 |
| @rizen | cuz i wanted the best of the best | 05:16 |
| @rizen | but when i read that, i decided to buy it today | 05:17 |
| @rizen | cuz i wanted to make sure i got a copy of xp with it | 05:17 |
| +perlDreamer | XP will still be around for while, even after Vista is released | 05:17 |
| @preaction-m | wtf, i'm two paragraphs in and this was considered a Good Idea (tm)? | 05:17 |
| @rizen | yeah i know they've said it | 05:17 |
| @rizen | but if i'm not waiting for vista | 05:17 |
| @rizen | there was no reason to wait | 05:17 |
| @rizen | plus the company i ordered it through still was running their xmas sale | 05:18 |
| @rizen | which gave an extra 5% off and a free liquid cooling system | 05:18 |
| +perlDreamer | nice | 05:18 |
| @rizen | yeah doug...now you know why i'm pissed about it | 05:19 |
| @rizen | granted that it doesn't take me much to get pissed | 05:19 |
| @rizen | right gerald? | 05:19 |
| +perlDreamer | It is a good idea, it's just a question of whom it is good for. | 05:20 |
| @preaction-m | this is impossible, it's unworkable, inconceivable, in---something... adjectives fail me for how... | 05:20 |
| +perlDreamer | it sucks? | 05:20 |
| @rizen | indeed | 05:20 |
| @preaction-m | no, it can't be done. no business will buy hardware that only works in Vista, and hardware manufacturers aren't going to waste time writing drivers for every different kernel in the wild | 05:21 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't care much for Bill Gates, but I have to give him one credit. He knows how to use Microsoft to make money. | 05:22 |
| +perlDreamer | Some people will buy into this. | 05:22 |
| @rizen | doug: frank just told me to tell you that he won't be online until after 10am tomorrow...got stuck with inlaws | 05:22 |
| @rizen | and most people won't know about it until it's too late | 05:22 |
| +perlDreamer | right. Most people are ignorant. | 05:23 |
| @preaction-m | "You'll never get another virus again!" | 05:23 |
| +perlDreamer | It's the 2x4 solution to dirty windows. | 05:24 |
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| +perlDreamer_afk | be back soon | 05:24 |
| Radix__ | Rizen: sounds like a mighty fine gaming rig you have there - but the big question is.. what games do you plan to play on it? :) | 05:33 |
| @rizen | it was built for only one game | 05:33 |
| @rizen | Supreme Commander | 05:34 |
| @rizen | http://www.supremecommander.com/ | 05:34 |
| @rizen | However, I'm sure it will work quite fine for the other games that I play. | 05:34 |
| @rizen | Which include 4X games like Sword of the Stars | 05:34 |
| @rizen | Tactical shooters like Swat 4 | 05:35 |
| @rizen | and anything else that hits me | 05:35 |
| Radix__ | hehe | 05:36 |
| @rizen | do you game? | 05:36 |
| Radix__ | yup | 05:36 |
| @rizen | and if so, what kinds of games? | 05:36 |
| Radix__ | not as much as I used to | 05:37 |
| Radix__ | had a mini-lan with a couple of mates yesterday even.. we played a few bouts of rise of nations: rise of legends | 05:37 |
| @rizen | For me gaming allows me to not think about WebGUI for a while...so it actually makes my code and designs better to BSU (blow shit up). | 05:37 |
| Radix__ | company of heroes is good too | 05:37 |
| Radix__ | both rts style games | 05:38 |
| @rizen | rise of nations is awesome | 05:38 |
| @rizen | haven't played company of heros | 05:38 |
| Radix__ | I have a nice dell laptop I bought especially for gaming - very nice for lans also :) | 05:38 |
| Radix__ | one of the dell xps 1710 laptops with all the fruit | 05:38 |
| @rizen | nice | 05:38 |
| @rizen | i thought about the laptop route, but i only drag my rig to a lan party once per year (if that) | 05:39 |
| @rizen | so i figured i could do better with a big box | 05:39 |
| @rizen | most of the time i play with friends over the net | 05:39 |
| Radix__ | more upgradeable that way too | 05:39 |
| @rizen | indeed | 05:40 |
| @rizen | or in my case...easier to replace parts | 05:40 |
| @rizen | if they go bad | 05:40 |
| @rizen | since it's pretty much topped out | 05:40 |
| Radix__ | I have a desktop box, but upgrading it was going to cost a lot as I needed a new everything | 05:40 |
| @rizen | yeah...me too | 05:40 |
| Radix__ | we can get laptops as a salary sacrifice here in australia so it's tax exempt | 05:40 |
| @rizen | actually..the funny thing is that even though my current gaming box is better than most people's boxes | 05:41 |
| @rizen | it's still not good enough for supreme commander | 05:41 |
| @rizen | so i had to upgrade | 05:41 |
| Radix__ | so I picked up a $5k laptop and it cost me half that in reality :) | 05:41 |
| @rizen | nice | 05:41 |
| @rizen | that's really cool | 05:41 |
| Radix__ | and my desktop machine is now my file server :) | 05:41 |
| Radix__ | yeah, it's pretty cool.. pay it off over the year too | 05:41 |
| @rizen | my sister is in college and needs a new computer, so i'm giving her my old gaming rig | 05:42 |
| Radix__ | cool | 05:42 |
| @rizen | it's a 2.1 ghz p4 with a gig of ram | 05:42 |
| @rizen | more than enough for writing papers, checking email, and browsing the web | 05:43 |
| @rizen | which is all she does | 05:43 |
| Radix__ | yeah, that's about what my old desktop is like.. p2.4 (which overclocks nicely to 3Ghz) with a gig of ram | 05:43 |
| Radix__ | and a decent radeon vid card (well.. for it's time anyway) | 05:43 |
| @rizen | yeah...me too | 05:44 |
| @rizen | mine was a geforce 4 | 05:44 |
| @rizen | which was top of the line when i bought it | 05:44 |
| @rizen | 6 years ago | 05:44 |
| @rizen | =) | 05:44 |
| Radix__ | that's the thing with this industry.. everything is changing so rapidly | 05:44 |
| Radix__ | keeps things interesting for us, but also makes computers such a bad investment | 05:46 |
| @rizen | do you think that an asset code generator would be useful? | 05:47 |
| Radix__ | asset code generator? how would that work? | 05:47 |
| @rizen | basically, you create a database table (or tables if you have collateral) | 05:47 |
| @rizen | and then you run the code generator against it | 05:48 |
| @rizen | and it creates the various getters, setters | 05:48 |
| @rizen | www_ methods | 05:48 |
| @rizen | definition method | 05:48 |
| @rizen | and the install/uninstall subroutines | 05:48 |
| Radix__ | hmm.. kinda like a customised sql form then | 05:48 |
| Radix__ | interesting idea | 05:49 |
| @rizen | i guess so...but the idea is to replace the Asset and or Wobject templates | 05:49 |
| @rizen | or rather "skeletons" | 05:49 |
| @rizen | it would get you up and running faster with working code | 05:49 |
| Radix__ | Is that what most people create assets to do then? just retrieve/set data from a table? | 05:50 |
| @rizen | that's the basic part of it | 05:50 |
| Radix__ | I've never needed to create an asset myself | 05:50 |
| @rizen | but then they could add their own special functions | 05:51 |
| @rizen | so it starts out with these basic things | 05:51 |
| @rizen | like, if you were going to create an asset that interoperates with google maps | 05:51 |
| @rizen | it would have a table for the asset itself | 05:51 |
| @rizen | and then it would probably have a collateral table with locations on the map to point out | 05:52 |
| @rizen | you could run this code generator, which would give you the base asset | 05:52 |
| Radix__ | yeah, I see what you mean - makes sense I guess | 05:52 |
| @rizen | and then as a developer you'd have to write the functions that actually deal with the google integration | 05:52 |
| @rizen | ruby on rails does this | 05:52 |
| @rizen | which is part of why people love it | 05:53 |
| Radix__ | I just used an article and added the javascript in the head portion :) | 05:53 |
| Radix__ | when I did a google maps object that is :) | 05:53 |
| @rizen | but what gave me the idea to do it, is that i'm writing an asset right now, that has 10 collateral tables | 05:53 |
| Radix__ | that's quite a few! :) | 05:53 |
| @rizen | i didn't even write an asset for google maps when i did it | 05:53 |
| @rizen | i just pasted the code into a snippet | 05:54 |
| Radix__ | snippets rock :) | 05:58 |
| @rizen | Steve (our graphics guy) calls them "a designer's best friend" | 05:59 |
| Radix__ | Yeah, they're so useful | 05:59 |
| Radix__ | I used some to create a handful of variables for versions of our software - then I can change the snippets and all of the links for our demos, release notes, patches, etc automatically change when they do. | 06:00 |
| Radix__ | got half a dozen locations on our website where we need to put the latest version number - so this saves me heaps of time and much less chance of error :) | 06:01 |
| @rizen | that's pretty cool...but for small info like that it would probably be more efficient to put that stuff into your config file | 06:03 |
| @rizen | and then write a Config macro | 06:03 |
| @rizen | that returns values from the config file | 06:03 |
| @rizen | either way though...good way to go | 06:03 |
| @rizen | better than hardcoding | 06:03 |
| Radix__ | not half as easy to change though | 06:04 |
| @rizen | editing the config file? | 06:04 |
| @rizen | you mean cuz you have to ssh to the server? | 06:04 |
| Radix__ | not for end users - no | 06:04 |
| @rizen | ah | 06:04 |
| @rizen | yes | 06:04 |
| @rizen | if end users have to change it | 06:04 |
| @rizen | then yes that's better | 06:04 |
| Radix__ | well any one of us could be doing a product release | 06:04 |
| Radix__ | it's under version control too, so before we push out the changes we can test it | 06:05 |
| @rizen | true enough | 06:05 |
| @rizen | another good reason for using a snippet | 06:06 |
| +crythias | ick | 06:08 |
| @rizen | ick? | 06:09 |
| +crythias | reading the link... | 06:09 |
| +crythias | Once a weakness is found in a particular driver or device, that driver will have its signature revoked by Microsoft, which means that it will cease to function | 06:09 |
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| @rizen | yeah | 06:10 |
| @rizen | rediculous | 06:10 |
| +perlDreamer | Oh, the heady days when I didn't have to stick my fingers into someone's mouth | 06:10 |
| @rizen | i hate kids | 06:10 |
| @rizen | i was around some this weekend | 06:10 |
| @rizen | and they got me sick | 06:10 |
| @rizen | little disease carriers | 06:10 |
| +perlDreamer | germ factories | 06:10 |
| Radix__ | lol | 06:10 |
| Radix__ | free legal copy of blind write anyone? http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/blindwrite/ | 06:42 |
| @rizen | sweet | 06:43 |
| @rizen | there was a program a long time ago called virtualcd | 06:43 |
| @rizen | i didn't know something like this existed anymore | 06:44 |
| @preaction-m | there's daemontools as well, which supports almost every kind of cd image i've been able to throw at it | 06:45 |
| @rizen | i thought daemontools was only for linux | 06:45 |
| @preaction-m | nope, i didn't know there was a linux version | 06:46 |
| Radix__ | daemon tools rocks | 06:46 |
| Radix__ | http://www.daemon-tools.cc/ | 06:46 |
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| @preaction-m | different daemontools, the *nix one is for managing services apparently | 06:46 |
| @rizen | oh | 06:47 |
| @rizen | hehe | 06:47 |
| @rizen | sorry, yeah i didn't know about the windows thingy | 06:47 |
| @rizen | i don't know much about windows | 06:47 |
| @preaction-m | i think i kept having that problem the (seemingly more frequent) times I have to rebuild my WinXP system | 06:47 |
| @preaction-m | i would like a daemontools-workalike for *nix though, mount -o loop just works for ISO images, and I believe there's a kernel driver for bin/cue | 06:48 |
| @rizen | yeah, mac can do it | 06:52 |
| @rizen | it can mount an image for any filesystem it knows about | 06:52 |
| @rizen | i love that it's just built into the os | 06:52 |
| @preaction-m | indeed, so much built into the OS | 06:53 |
| @preaction-m | the stuff that should be, that third-party tools have always been hackishly trying to implement in windows | 06:53 |
| @rizen | so now that you've been using it for a while | 06:54 |
| @rizen | how's yer mac treating you? | 06:55 |
| @preaction-m | aside from the difficulties with the WRE, swimmingly | 06:55 |
| @rizen | if i had an intel mac i'd make a binary wre for it | 06:56 |
| @preaction-m | actually did a side-by-side comparison with ubuntu edgy (installed w/ Bootcamp), and OSX gui is just easier to use | 06:56 |
| @rizen | oh yeah...way easier | 06:56 |
| @rizen | i still prefer the unix of linux | 06:56 |
| @rizen | the command shell | 06:56 |
| @rizen | but, the mac command shell isn't all that bad | 06:56 |
| @rizen | and you get used to it | 06:56 |
| @preaction-m | still some keyboard shortcuts to get used to, but it's been this long and they aren't holding me back any way | 06:56 |
| @preaction-m | OSX's Terminal is comparable to Gnome's gterm emulator | 06:57 |
| @preaction-m | just no tabs | 06:57 |
| @rizen | yeah..sorry i should have been more specific | 06:57 |
| @rizen | it's not the terminal app i don't like | 06:57 |
| @rizen | but rather the filesystem layout is hard to get used to | 06:57 |
| @rizen | i can't find anything when i'm looking for it | 06:58 |
| @rizen | config files and the like | 06:58 |
| @preaction-m | it's a little weird that they didn't work with the grain and worked against it | 06:58 |
| @preaction-m | but i suppose it's weirder that certain things use the unix heirarchy, and other things use apple's additions | 06:59 |
| @preaction-m | i was thinking that maybe updating the sources in the WRE would fix the compile problems, or something, but I haven't been able to test any theories | 07:01 |
| @preaction-m | that, and installing ubuntu fails miserably. either I don't get sound, or I don't get AirPort (both of which are showstoppers) | 07:01 |
| @preaction-m | still working on that one as well | 07:01 |
| @rizen | that's one of the areas that linux really sux | 07:02 |
| @rizen | wifi drivers | 07:02 |
| @preaction-m | well, it works on the 2.17 kernel that comes standard w/ Edgy, but sound doesn't | 07:03 |
| @preaction-m | and my custom 2.18 and 2.19 kernels both lose airport but gain sound | 07:03 |
| @preaction-m | i'm assum | 07:03 |
| @preaction-m | ing it's just | 07:03 |
| @preaction-m | a | 07:03 |
| @preaction-m | wtf | 07:03 |
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| @preaction-m | a configuration error, but i've been putting off trying to play around in favor of being productive | 07:04 |
| @preaction-m | otherwise, if it weren't for those major issues, all the minor issues are taken care of. mouse-button emulation, backlight adjustement (after lengthy tinkering), some Fn keys worked out of the box, but I hear there are troubles with the DVI port (mostly because of X) | 07:10 |
| @rizen | eventually you'll get over it and won't want/need ubuntu on your laptop anyway =) | 07:11 |
| @preaction-m | i already kinda don't, it's taking up half the hard drive i could be using to store my music, but the first solution i find for the WRE is the one I use | 07:12 |
| @preaction-m | also, i was surprised, wireless configuration has come a long way (if your drivers work) | 07:12 |
| @rizen | talk to roy | 07:12 |
| @rizen | he has a working wre on mac | 07:12 |
| @rizen | intel mac that is | 07:13 |
| @preaction-m | he told me to talk to drake, and the linguistic acrobatics that requires has made me reticent | 07:13 |
| @rizen | i wonder why he said to do that | 07:14 |
| @rizen | roy has a working wre | 07:14 |
| @preaction-m | i've gotten as far as installing Perl modules, and I believe I remember an e-mail detailing that I had to use cpan and install them all manually, since the compiling didn't work | 07:14 |
| @preaction-m | i think drake's the one that solved roy's problems, or maybe he was just busy that day | 07:14 |
| @rizen | tell roy to fuck off and just tar.gz his wre for you | 07:14 |
| @preaction-m | the BNT stuff perhaps | 07:14 |
| @preaction-m | oh, dur, we can totally do that when everyone's together, at 54Mbps | 07:15 |
| @rizen | hehe | 07:15 |
| @preaction-m | until then, i can limp along with my ssh/home network nightmare | 07:15 |
| @rizen | or you can hook up to my ethernet switch and go even faster | 07:15 |
| @preaction-m | since i need it in 30 seconds not 3 minutes ;) | 07:16 |
| @preaction-m | then we can hopefully restore the HFS+ partition to its full 100gig glory | 07:16 |
| @rizen | i don't know if you can do that or not | 07:18 |
| @rizen | i haven't played with the partitioner in bootcamp | 07:18 |
| @preaction-m | bootcamp let me resize down, i can only hope it'll let me resize up | 07:18 |
| @rizen | the regular disk utility isn't capable of that | 07:18 |
| @preaction-m | either that, or i'll burn the WRE and reinstall OSX, since I think it's bootcamp's BIOS emulation that's been causing problems with my sound card automagically muting my headphones when they get plugged in | 07:19 |
| @preaction-m | would that reflash the EFI though? sigh... | 07:20 |
| @rizen | no idea | 07:20 |
| @rizen | but i do know that reinstalling osx is fairly painless and really speedy | 07:21 |
| @preaction-m | yeah, only true problems i've had with OS installs has been Windows, except back in the linux 2.7 days | 07:22 |
| @preaction-m | (probably more my fault than Linux's) | 07:24 |
| @rizen | i'm signing off | 07:26 |
| @rizen | ttyl | 07:26 |
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| @preaction-m | bah, you and your signing off. NOBODY ESCAPES THE IRC | 07:27 |
| * preaction-m is safe, boss's back is turned | 07:27 | |
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| cap10morgan | Super weird error: I'm trying to upgrade 6.6.5 -> 7.2.3 so I'm doing 6.6.5 -> 6.8.10 -> 7.1.3 -> 7.2.3 | 21:32 |
| cap10morgan | on the 6.8.10 -> 7.1.3 phase, the upgrade is erroring out sometimes. | 21:33 |
| cap10morgan | I've debugged it to the new session creation in the upgrade-6.8.9-6.8.10.pl script (6.8.10 upgrades leaves the version set at 6.8.9 for some reason) | 21:33 |
| cap10morgan | anyway, that call triggers a call to WebGUI::Config->new($webguiRoot,$configFile); | 21:34 |
| cap10morgan | when that is called, it sometimes doesn't have the class as the first thing on the stack | 21:34 |
| cap10morgan | so inside that new method, where it says: my $class = shift; my $webguiRoot = shift; my $configFile = shift; it is sometimes getting the value of $webguiRoot for $class and the value of $configFile for $webguiRoot | 21:35 |
| cap10morgan | i've added a line to spit these variables out to confirm this | 21:35 |
| cap10morgan | does anyone have any idea what could be going on here? | 21:36 |
| cap10morgan | oh, actually, it's not getting the $class variable set on the call to the open method of WebGUI::Session | 21:48 |
| cap10morgan | which is super weird | 21:50 |
| cap10morgan | so apparently perl is not putting the class name as the first argument | 21:58 |
| cap10morgan | that makes no sense | 21:58 |
| @rizen | i don't actually have time to help you, but i can hint that the error you're seeing is likely because some constructor somewhere isn't getting a session object passed into it as the first parameter. all objects in webgui should receive $session as the first parameter. | 22:00 |
| cap10morgan | rizen: does this make sense: in upgrade-6.8.9-6.8.10.pl, WebGUI::Session->open is called as WebGUI::Session::open instead. | 22:01 |
| cap10morgan | would that cause it? and/or is that a bug I should report? | 22:01 |
| @rizen | yes, that would cause it | 22:01 |
| @rizen | we are no longer maintaing those old releases | 22:01 |
| @rizen | no more patches | 22:01 |
| @rizen | so no, there's no reason to report it | 22:02 |
| cap10morgan | this is the script that came w/ 7.1.3 | 22:02 |
| @rizen | but do post something to the forums | 22:02 |
| @rizen | oh really? | 22:02 |
| cap10morgan | and people need to be able to upgrade | 22:02 |
| @rizen | nevermind then | 22:02 |
| @rizen | report that | 22:02 |
| cap10morgan | ok, i'll report | 22:02 |
| cap10morgan | thanks | 22:02 |
| @rizen | i didn't think that came with it | 22:02 |
| cap10morgan | oh, well, i'm copying it over an old install to upgrade, so maybe it didn't | 22:02 |
| cap10morgan | but it seems like the new versions should come w/ a new script to overwrite that one. cuz lots of us are scrambling to upgrade before pre-7 EOL! :) | 22:03 |
| @rizen | it can't come with that script | 22:03 |
| @rizen | because that script isn't compatible with 7.0 api's | 22:03 |
| @rizen | that's why the 7.0 stuff doesn't come with the old scripts | 22:03 |
| cap10morgan | but, it isn't used unless someone's upgrading from an old version. which lots of us still need to do. i'm confused why that couldn't be fixed. | 22:05 |
| @rizen | i don't have time to explain it | 22:05 |
| @rizen | just trust me | 22:05 |
| @rizen | it can't be included in 7.x releases | 22:06 |
| @rizen | fix it for yourself | 22:06 |
| @rizen | and post a note to the upgrades forum | 22:06 |
| @rizen | so other people can find it | 22:06 |
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| cap10morgan | that makes no sense. put a new copy of the script in the tarball, overwrite, fix, voila. but whatever, i'll take it to the forums. | 22:12 |
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| @rizen | doug, you here? | 06:38 |
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| cap10morgan | Does WebGUI 7 cache pages somewhere that is persistent across restarts? | 00:11 |
| cap10morgan | ah, yes, yes it does | 00:38 |
| cap10morgan | :) | 00:38 |
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| xdanger | preaction-m: was just reading backlog, and have a hint for you... in mac os x, try iTerm, it's a better terminal... | 01:55 |
| xdanger | wiht tabs, n stuff | 01:55 |
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| arminius | hello @ all :-) | 14:02 |
| Radix__ | hello there | 14:03 |
| arminius | just looking around to learn about creating my own styles in WebGUI-7.x.x | 14:04 |
| Radix__ | Ahh | 14:24 |
| Radix__ | Snippets are way cool for storing all the things associated with the styles (ie. javascript, images, css, etc) | 14:25 |
| arminius | Iīm still using 5.5.8 on my production sites | 14:26 |
| Radix__ | as for the styles themselves, everyone does it differently.. I mocked mine up in my favourite gui web editor then copied the lot into webgui and replaced the <insert content here> bits with the appropriate webgui template variables | 14:26 |
| arminius | I tried a few times to upgrade to the 6.x.x Versions, but didnīt succeed | 14:28 |
| arminius | actually Iīm trying to find out how to get a multiple domain server up and running | 14:30 |
| arminius | the wre doesnīt work for me, because my OS is FreeBSD | 14:31 |
| arminius | tried it on a testing machine with debian, worked very well | 14:31 |
| arminius | now I try to get it up and running on FreeBSD manually | 14:32 |
| arminius | and then newly create the production sites on it | 14:33 |
| Radix__ | cant compile the WRE for freebsd? | 14:35 |
| arminius | no, it crashes while compiling the tools already | 14:36 |
| Radix__ | Hmm.. | 14:36 |
| Radix__ | Well I have a multi-domain setup here fine with webgui | 14:36 |
| Radix__ | my home pc is still using the older 6.8.10 version, been meaning to upgrade it, but it's a non-WRE setup and multi-domain, so always put it on the backburner to be honest | 14:37 |
| Radix__ | at work we're using 7.0.8 for our production site | 14:37 |
| arminius | Iīm using jails on my FreeBSD root-server fpor security reasons | 14:38 |
| Radix__ | I just have a /data/domains/xxx.xxx/www for each domain | 14:38 |
| Radix__ | a config file for each domain | 14:39 |
| Radix__ | and each site config in apache points to the appropriate www dir | 14:39 |
| Radix__ | can't think of anything else that was required | 14:40 |
| arminius | I managed to get a multi-domain setup up and runnig in an extra jail, but then filde to mke the styles | 14:40 |
| arminius | failed | 14:40 |
| arminius | th versioning system gets me baffled | 14:41 |
| Radix__ | it's pretty cool once you get the hang of it | 14:41 |
| Radix__ | in version 7 - most things you do get added to your current version tag | 14:42 |
| Radix__ | if you don't have one, it creates one for you | 14:42 |
| arminius | tried to copy existing styles, but after a while the copies disappeared | 14:42 |
| Radix__ | once you've done it all, you commit it and it gets rolled out onto the site | 14:42 |
| Radix__ | You need to have spectre running in order for it to work correctly though - so make sure you have spectre started first | 14:43 |
| Radix__ | You can also review your changes before you commit them, roll back to previous versions and do all sorts of cool stuff | 14:43 |
| * arminius nods | 14:44 | |
| arminius | thatīs what I read about it | 14:44 |
| arminius | still looking for the point where to start, to get my exisitng sites into the new installation of webgui | 14:46 |
| Radix__ | that's where the PB support comes in handy I must say | 14:47 |
| Radix__ | the Webgui Done Right manual has some help for setting that up too | 14:47 |
| Radix__ | and no, I'm not a PB employee ;) | 14:48 |
| arminius | well, I prefer to get to know the system well enough to do that myself | 14:48 |
| arminius | how could I solve problems otherwise? | 14:48 |
| Radix__ | Sure, me too, but I learnt most of what I know from reading everyone elses support posts in the PB Support Forum | 14:48 |
| arminius | I read a lot there, but am still missing my starting point | 14:52 |
| arminius | I assume first I need ti get to know how to set up the styles for the sites, then I can turn them over step by step | 14:53 |
| Radix__ | shouldn't be much different from 5.8.8 | 14:54 |
| Radix__ | I think I remember having to change a few of the variables for some reason | 14:54 |
| Radix__ | was annoyed it wasn't done automatically at the time | 14:55 |
| arminius | I think I need to start from scratch and create every site again in 7.x.x | 14:56 |
| arminius | I tried to copy the existing standard webgui style from within asset manager | 14:58 |
| arminius | copied the complete folder and then renamed it, but after a while it disappeared, and I donīt know why | 15:01 |
| Radix__ | it would've created a version tag for the copy. If you didn't commit it, next time when you logged in then you would be given no default version tag, so you wouldn't see those changes | 15:33 |
| Radix__ | you only see the changes that were made in your current version tag | 15:33 |
| arminius | so I need to commit each change to see it on the site, right? | 15:34 |
| Radix__ | generally you commit the changes at the end.. when all the changes you have made are done. | 15:35 |
| Radix__ | have a play with demo.plainblack.com sometime perhaps | 15:36 |
| Radix__ | most actions get saved to the current version tag - though there's a couple that don't (delete's being one of them) | 15:36 |
| arminius | my intention was to have copy of a working style and then make changes to it and see what happens | 15:37 |
| Radix__ | yup, in that case as long as you're looking at it in the same session then you'd see the changes instantly. | 15:37 |
| Radix__ | only if you wanted to log out and test it with different accounts, etc do you run into issues with version tags | 15:38 |
| arminius | But why did the copied Folder disappear? | 15:41 |
| arminius | and where does webgui look for styles to make them appear in the dropdownlist for pages? | 15:57 |
| arminius | there are sytyle-definitions in Root/ImportNode/WebGUI 7 Style 1 Root/ImportNode/WebGUI 7 Style 2 Root/ImportNode/WebGUI 7 Style 3 | 16:03 |
| arminius | so I created a new folder in Root/ImportNode called MyStyle01 and then copied the contents of WebGUI 7 Style 3 into it | 16:04 |
| arminius | then committed the changes, but when I try to edit the "Home" page, I canīt select my newly created style | 16:07 |
| arminius | I just tried to select the newly created style in "settings" but the folder already disappeared again | 16:13 |
| Radix__ | the styles can be stored anywhere - as long as they're the right template class they'll be found | 17:25 |
| arminius | ok, got that so far, restarting spectre brought my folder back and I changed the class so that the new style can be found | 17:32 |
| arminius | but now thereīs a referencing problem, I guess | 17:33 |
| arminius | in the original "Style 03" theres a reference to "link href="^/;style3/css03.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" | 17:35 |
| arminius | but I canīt find a folder "style3" | 17:36 |
| arminius | or how do I reference to my /Root/ImportNode/MyStyle01 folder to get the right stylesheet loaded | 17:37 |
| arminius | as far as I figured out now, itīs just a matter of giving the right "url" to the file when saving it, correct me if Iīm wrong | 18:18 |
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| arminius | thanks for the help, c ya | 21:10 |
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| Radix__ | Happy New Year folks! :) | 16:28 |
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| +crythias | anyone here? | 22:14 |
| +crythias | preaction, preaction-m, ckotil, pedersenMJ, perlbot, Radix__, vidar_ xdanger | 22:15 |
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