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| preaction | has anyone set up the WRE on FreeBSD? | 03:50 |
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| preaction | most of the prereqs I need for the entire system, but some I don't know... | 03:51 |
| Radix-wrk | not me | 03:52 |
| Radix-wrk | crythias uses freebsd | 03:52 |
| Radix-wrk | but don't think he's using the wre | 03:52 |
| Radix-wrk | http://gwybsd.homeip.net/fomfiles/cache/15.html | 03:54 |
| Radix-wrk | apparently imagemagick and freebsd is an issue | 03:54 |
| Radix-wrk | http://www.plainblack.com/install/upgrade_help/freebsd--imagemagick--core-dump-among-other-problems#jNRvVtHtOA8J_8f5OPkOxA | 03:55 |
| Radix-wrk | Quite a detailed setup for webgui on freebsd, but that's not using the wre obviously | 03:56 |
| preaction | ha! i remember that one | 04:05 |
| preaction | for some reason, imageMagick just magically doesn't work anymore in my Ubuntu box | 04:05 |
| preaction | i have no idea | 04:05 |
| preaction | some problem with the XS | 04:06 |
| preaction | (not using the WRE, i hate the concept of it) | 04:06 |
| preaction | i'm compiling mod_perl2 right now, because the FreeBSD Apache2.2 package doesn't have it | 04:07 |
| Radix-wrk | I used to use debian, etc myself.. but kept on having wierd issues that noone at plainblack could identify. navigation bars missing for all users, etc.. drove me crazy. Could not reproduce the issue on my test system. | 04:07 |
| preaction | lots more setup for this box... mail server, temporary HTTP server until I get another one (which will also be running FreeBSD) | 04:07 |
| preaction | did you copy the /extras directory? | 04:07 |
| Radix-wrk | Figured out it must be some wierd perl library version somewhere that was different from what PB were using | 04:07 |
| preaction | i've noticed a lot of the docs on pb.com are outdated | 04:07 |
| preaction | perhaps i should use my powers to change that situation | 04:08 |
| Radix-wrk | so now I use the WRE | 04:08 |
| Radix-wrk | on Centos 4.3 (RHEL4) | 04:08 |
| preaction | if they didn't give me 2.5 weeks left to do the entire EC rewrite (and i've spent a week and a half just doing Functional Spec and Technical Spec... when can I start CODING?) | 04:08 |
| preaction | the debian WRE i installed for a client the other day, worked right away, very nicely | 04:09 |
| preaction | hmm.. | 04:09 |
| preaction | ok, i lied, i like the concept, but not for my own computers ;) | 04:10 |
| Radix-wrk | heh | 04:15 |
| Radix-wrk | Oooh.. functional spec and technical spec before you code - don't tell me you were actually trained as a programmer ;) | 04:17 |
| Radix-wrk | I'm a software engineer by trade myself, and network admin, and tech support, and mr fix it, and .. (insert everything else but the kitchen sink here) | 04:19 |
| preaction | nope, not really trained per-se. my specs used to consist of writing all the documentation beforehand (which i suppose would be considered a techspec) | 04:43 |
| preaction | i'm quickly becoming kitchen sink. my personal home network is my training grounds for *nix network administration, and plainblack is teaching me software engineering | 04:44 |
| preaction | and tech support... monkeys could do it ;) | 04:44 |
| preaction | mod_perl takes damn long to compile on a pentium 90 with 32 megs of ram... | 04:44 |
| preaction | courier-imap took about 6 hours :( | 04:45 |
| Radix-wrk | lol | 05:08 |
| Radix-wrk | pentium 90? omg.. that takes me back | 05:08 |
| Radix-wrk | I first started with linux on a 386dx40 with 4mb of ram. I couldn't do kernel compiles at all on that thing.. had to get my friend with 8mb of ram to compile me a cut down kernel for my system! | 05:09 |
| Radix-wrk | new webgui out | 06:13 |
| -!- Radix-wrk changed the topic of #webgui to: WebGUI (stable: WebGUI 7.1.3) || Need help? Ask and wait patiently (it might take awhile) | 06:13 | |
| Radix-wrk | heh.. "- Tried to clean up some HttpProxy code. Still very ugly. (need rewrite?)" | 06:15 |
| preaction | there were three different indent styles in that damned thing... | 07:04 |
| Radix-wrk | heh | 07:25 |
| Radix-wrk | Hmm.. odd - if I add some text to the headers section of an article, it gets put in the headers twice | 07:57 |
| preaction | are you viewing the article as part of a page layout? | 08:02 |
| preaction | it's midnight, why am i still up? | 08:02 |
| Radix-wrk | yeah | 08:05 |
| preaction | the page layout has no headers? | 08:05 |
| Radix-wrk | editing an article and putting the headers bit in that, when I view the whole page, I get all the right info, but the bit I put in headers comes up twice | 08:05 |
| Radix-wrk | it's literally duplicated twice right after itself | 08:05 |
| preaction | thats weird | 08:06 |
| Radix-wrk | never really used the headers section much before.. always added it to our global style headers | 08:06 |
| Radix-wrk | but useful for testing out new css/javascript styles and the like - which is what I'm doing | 08:06 |
| Radix-wrk | using 7.0.8 still - so could've been fixed already | 08:07 |
| Radix-wrk | I've been waiting for 7.1.x to settle down a bit before I upgrade our website here.. still too many bugfixes in it for my liking | 08:07 |
| Radix-wrk | Anyways.. odd nevertheless | 08:08 |
| Radix-wrk | Trying to get this working in webgui - http://www.html.it/articoli/niftycube/index.html | 08:08 |
| preaction | wow, it's been a while since i've seen nifty corners | 08:09 |
| Radix-wrk | Would be nice to be able to set up article styles using it. I'm still relatively new to javascript/css and the like | 08:10 |
| Radix-wrk | I haven't sussed out the window.onload stuff yet.. which is why it doesn't work currently for me | 08:12 |
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| --- Log opened Thu Nov 02 16:51:05 2006 | ||
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| @snapcount | preaction: ping | 17:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | pong | 17:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh wait | 17:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | not for me | 17:25 |
| @snapcount | damn it martin | 17:25 |
| @snapcount | you generated a tcp/ip error now | 17:26 |
| @snapcount | oh wait | 17:26 |
| @snapcount | that's syn/ack | 17:26 |
| @snapcount | icmp error... just as bad! | 17:26 |
| preaction | ack? | 17:26 |
| preaction | ***NO CARRIER*** | 17:26 |
| @snapcount | preaction just made a new protocol | 17:26 |
| preaction | the meek shall inherit the net | 17:27 |
| @snapcount | is this the preaction of Wisconsin who hails as Doug? | 17:27 |
| preaction | in the world of mere mortals i am known as such | 17:27 |
| @snapcount | is your nic registered with freenode | 17:28 |
| preaction | should be | 17:29 |
| preaction | yes'm | 17:29 |
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| @preaction | word | 17:31 |
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| @snapcount | is The Drake on here? | 17:32 |
| preaction | i'm not sure, if he is i don't believe he's talked much | 17:32 |
| @snapcount | ok... if he ever logs in I'll set him up to be a pb peep | 17:33 |
| Radix_ | hey guys | 17:33 |
| @snapcount | greetings and salutations | 17:33 |
| Radix_ | MrHairgrease is martin hey.. figures :) | 17:33 |
| Radix_ | hey roy | 17:33 |
| @snapcount | I wish I could do community stuff all day | 17:35 |
| @snapcount | it's more fun than programming some times | 17:35 |
| Radix_ | heh.. I just idle.. that way you never miss much :) | 17:35 |
| preaction | exactly | 17:36 |
| +crythias | all that blank white space... it's like watching a bitbucket.. being. drip. filled. | 17:36 |
| Radix_ | or grass growing :) | 17:36 |
| @snapcount | BITBUKT | 17:36 |
| preaction | sometimes it gets rather wild in here! woo! | 17:36 |
| Radix_ | but when things do happen.. least you don't miss out ;) | 17:36 |
| @snapcount | I have to get the bot back online | 17:37 |
| preaction | there used to be a bot in here? | 17:37 |
| * MrHairgrease applauds roy | 17:37 | |
| preaction | perlbot is gone for some reason... i don't know why | 17:37 |
| @snapcount | calc pomade | 17:37 |
| Radix_ | perlbot? - what did it do? | 17:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | calc pomade | 17:37 |
| @snapcount | that was the best one *ever* | 17:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | that was the good stuff | 17:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 17:37 |
| @snapcount | how did it go... | 17:38 |
| @snapcount | <JT> I need some palmade | 17:38 |
| @snapcount | <martin> I hope you mean pomade | 17:38 |
| @snapcount | something like that | 17:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | something like that | 17:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | maybe i have a log somewhere laying around | 17:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | moment | 17:39 |
| @snapcount | thanks for fixing those bugs martin | 17:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | i just fixed another | 17:39 |
| @snapcount | rock on | 17:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | also ldap related | 17:39 |
| @snapcount | what are you trying to say =) | 17:39 |
| @snapcount | Roy broke LDAP cough* cough* | 17:40 |
| * MrHairgrease shuts his mouth wisely | 17:40 | |
| +MrHairgrease | i dunno who broke it | 17:40 |
| @snapcount | it was me | 17:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | it just sucked all along =) | 17:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | well | 17:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | you do provide me woth income | 17:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | in some way =) | 17:41 |
| @snapcount | My errors are the result of writing code and not being able to check it in for 3 months | 17:41 |
| @snapcount | then trying to merge | 17:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh yeah | 17:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | that sucks | 17:41 |
| Radix_ | yikes.. that would | 17:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | here it is | 17:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | WRE: pomade = <rizen> give me some of that palmade <MrHairGrease> I hope you mean pomade | 17:43 |
| @snapcount | LMAO | 17:43 |
| @snapcount | yep that's it | 17:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | WRE: mattscode = <pbmdawg> {dangit;} i broke 6.9... beyond repair, probably. | 17:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | WRE: urine = <pb_M-Train> Did you know that all humans can urinate through their navels? | 17:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok I'll stop now | 17:43 |
| Radix_ | Well.. I'll leave you guys to your pomade and bugs.. I'm off to bed. Night all :) | 17:44 |
| @snapcount | I have to get WRE back | 17:44 |
| @snapcount | night Radix_ | 17:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | later | 17:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | are you from australia or so? | 17:44 |
| Radix_ | ya.. I was the aussie at the WUC :) | 17:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 17:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | I remember | 17:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | good night | 17:45 |
| Radix_ | nite | 17:45 |
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| @preaction | weirdest fucking bug i've ever seen. Image::Magick just FAILS for no reason. restarting apache fixed it... | 23:09 |
| @preaction | probably something to do with me using Apache2::Reload | 23:13 |
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| @snapcount | yep | 00:13 |
| @snapcount | like every 10-15 code changes I have bounce apache | 00:13 |
| * crythias 's considering rubygui | 00:30 | |
| +crythias | calc marriage | 00:31 |
| +crythias | calc crythias | 00:31 |
| +crythias | cruduby. | 00:31 |
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| +crythia1 | hm | 02:30 |
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| @preaction | hm indeed | 03:01 |
| @preaction | can someone direct me to the person who wrote the HttpProxy wobject so I may properly pummel them? | 03:01 |
| Radix-wrk | can't you see who initially checked it in in cvs/svn? | 03:02 |
| @preaction | the svn repo was checked in from the earlier cvs repo, and i don't know where that old cvs repo is (if it even exists still) | 03:03 |
| Radix-wrk | ahh | 03:03 |
| Radix-wrk | just blame jt then :) | 03:04 |
| @preaction | he's got enough blame already ;) | 03:04 |
| Radix-wrk | his fault for writing it all.. he gets credit and blame for the same action :) | 03:05 |
| +crythia1 | cvs @ sf.net | 03:05 |
| @preaction | ooh, i can find the culprit | 03:07 |
| @preaction | or i could just fix the damned thing | 03:07 |
| +crythia1 | 'cept... not there no more. | 03:07 |
| @preaction | damnit | 03:07 |
| +crythia1 | http://pbwebgui.cvs.sourceforge.net/pbwebgui/ | 03:12 |
| +crythia1 | https://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=29894&group_id=1#connection | 03:13 |
| Radix-wrk | http://pbwebgui.cvs.sourceforge.net/pbwebgui/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/HttpProxy/ | 03:15 |
| Radix-wrk | written by JT initially | 03:16 |
| @preaction | just says he migrated it | 03:17 |
| @preaction | and it looks like it wasn't touched since away back then | 03:17 |
| Radix-wrk | 21 months 4 weeks ago (isn't that 22 months) | 03:18 |
| +crythia1 | well ... | 03:19 |
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| @snapcount | man... been a while since I wrote some code that I actually enjoyed | 19:11 |
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| wdrev | test | 20:25 |
| wdrev | I am trying to evaluate Webgui for my companys use | 21:51 |
| wdrev | Can anyone tell me what would be the steps to add custom fields to a time tracker or a request tracker | 21:51 |
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| @preaction | snapcount, what code would that be? | 01:44 |
| @preaction | (he says 6 hours and 33 minutes later...) | 01:44 |
| @preaction | i've been writing technical documents all week, no time for code :p | 01:45 |
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| perlm | This channel usually pretty quiet? | 20:04 |
| @preaction | yeah | 20:56 |
| @preaction | especially weekends | 20:56 |
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| perlm | Apache2::Request is impossible. | 22:49 |
| @preaction | how so? | 22:50 |
| perlm | Can't install it. I'm on Fedora Core 6 new install. Going through the list of modules required and can't get past this one. | 22:52 |
| @preaction | yum? | 22:53 |
| perlm | XS is where the errors start occurring and I won't touch XS code with a ten foot pole. | 22:53 |
| @preaction | there might be a package for it | 22:53 |
| perlm | Apache2::Request doesn't exist in the repos. | 22:53 |
| @preaction | that's dumb | 22:53 |
| @preaction | you're using cpan then? | 22:54 |
| @preaction | you have the headers for apache2 right? | 22:54 |
| @preaction | and axps? | 22:54 |
| perlm | Yeah, using cpan. But the module has to build. Yes, axps came with the httpd-devel repo. | 22:54 |
| perlm | ah | 22:55 |
| @preaction | and apache2's headers | 22:55 |
| @preaction | can you get the build-dependencies for apache2? | 22:55 |
| perlm | headers.....yeah.....um......that would indeed be the problem. | 22:55 |
| @preaction | i'm not familiar with yum or whatever RH is using | 22:55 |
| @preaction | i've been debian/ubuntu forever | 22:55 |
| perlm | the generated make file isn't finding the .h's......crap | 22:56 |
| @preaction | edit the makefile.pl? | 22:56 |
| perlm | running dapper? | 22:56 |
| @preaction | dapper for now | 22:56 |
| +crythias | :) | 22:56 |
| @preaction | getting my FreeBSD apache server running so I can go xubuntu edgy | 22:56 |
| +crythias | howdy | 22:56 |
| @preaction | bonjourno | 22:56 |
| perlm | I should fire it up and see how it compares to Core 6. Core 6 seemed like a huge jump forward for the Fedora line. | 22:57 |
| +crythias | :) :) :) | 22:57 |
| +crythias | read my suse thing | 22:57 |
| +crythias | THE SECRET: | 22:57 |
| +crythias | cp /usr/include/apache2/modules/perl/* /usr/include/apache2/ | 22:57 |
| +crythias | just sayin' | 22:57 |
| +crythias | http://www.plainblack.com/install/upgrade_help/how-i-got-libapreq6.08-to-install-on-suse-10.1/1#idFxOUXj8tcHQrE0KrXapduQ | 22:58 |
| +crythias | or something. | 22:58 |
| perlm | crythias, is that a pitch to get me to move to Suse? | 22:59 |
| +crythias | no. | 22:59 |
| +crythias | It should be rather agnostic. | 22:59 |
| @preaction | he's saying if you copy the mod_perl headers to /usr/include/apache2 it might compile | 22:59 |
| perlm | fedora calls apache2 dirs, httpd. I'm looking in /usr/include/httpd right now for the headers which *should* be there. | 23:00 |
| +crythias | ok, close enough. | 23:00 |
| perlm | The CVS portion of WebGUI looks really slick. But if I can treat it like a framework and developer for it....well I probably won't be able to contain my joy. | 23:01 |
| perlm | s/developer/develop/ | 23:01 |
| +crythias | heh. and if that were the case, ... I wouldn't be thinking of rube gui | 23:01 |
| @preaction | you're getting the CVS from sourceforge? | 23:01 |
| +crythias | preaction's got a point. cvs on sf.net is ancient. | 23:02 |
| perlm | doh....CMS, not CVS....I can't type today. | 23:02 |
| @preaction | ah | 23:02 |
| +crythias | whew. | 23:02 |
| perlm | and my problem is I'm missing the mod_perl headers from /usr/include/ | 23:02 |
| +crythias | 'cause otoh, webgui doesn't support a cvs interface... | 23:02 |
| perlm | should be an easy fix.....:) | 23:02 |
| +crythias | libmodperl2 | 23:03 |
| @preaction | otherwise, writing wobjects is pretty easy. figuring out whether to return the data or print the data is harder :( | 23:03 |
| @preaction | i still don't understand what return "chunked" does | 23:03 |
| +crythias | which fedora? | 23:04 |
| +crythias | mod_perl-devel (that's the libmodperl I was looking for) | 23:05 |
| perlm | I haven't even looked at the API yet, but I was curious how hard it would be. Like writing a custom cookie based user authentication app that WebGUI would be able to use. | 23:05 |
| perlm | crythias, you are fast, I was just installing mod_perl-devel in the hope it contained those libs. | 23:05 |
| @preaction | i've heard JT wants to redo the entire auth system, that's how much he hates it | 23:05 |
| @preaction | i haven't dived into those parts yet | 23:05 |
| perlm | Fedora Core 6 | 23:06 |
| +crythias | 'kay, cause I just wanted to know... | 23:06 |
| perlm | The PerlCast JT did completely sold me on WebGUI. If it works out, I'm hoping to move my entire center over to it in the next year. Heck, maybe I can start writing in Plainblack support into grant proposals :P | 23:07 |
| * crythias just nods | 23:08 | |
| +crythias | well, it's been wild. | 23:08 |
| perlm | Watching a long XS build go is worse than watching someone roll dice that you just bet $10,000 on. | 23:08 |
| perlm | Core 6 as apreq2 in the repos. | 23:20 |
| perlm | s/as/has/ | 23:20 |
| @preaction | umm... oops? | 23:20 |
| perlm | yeah....I didn't know apreq2 was shorthand for apache2::request and apach2|request weren't in the package summary. | 23:21 |
| perlm | Okay, I'm onto the configuration of conf files......thanks a million for the install help! | 23:25 |
| @preaction | np | 23:25 |
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| perlm | I'm trying to work through this http://www.plainblack.com/installing_webgui but it appears out of order. For instance, when I try to start spectre, it is obviously looking at the webgui.conf file which I was never told to alter (I created a mydomain.conf). | 00:02 |
| perlm | n/m, I shouldn't have had a WebGUI.conf at all. | 00:03 |
| perlm | I wonder why in the demo when I turn admin on, I get the admin console on the left, but in my new install when I turn admin on, I don't get the install console....strange. | 00:16 |
| perlm | probably have some path messed up somewhere. | 00:16 |
| perlm | Unless I did something wrong, the instructions need to be updated so that when the directory "uploads" is being moved into the instance directory, "extras" is included. | 00:23 |
| @preaction | yeah, extras needs to be included | 00:23 |
| @preaction | let me update that right away so i dont' forget | 00:23 |
| perlm | I can't believe it is running on my home box......all I need is to get it going on 443 and I'm golden! | 00:24 |
| perlm | This could be a whole new way of doing webdev, with a super slick pre-canned front end. | 00:25 |
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| perlm | I wonder if running WebGUI in a named virtual host will confuse Spectre. I have my domainA on :80 and domainB-virtual also on 80. How does Spectre get connected to the correct one? | 16:59 |
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| perlm | Hello everyone. | 03:24 |
| @preaction | perlm, spectre shouldn't get confused, it uses the first entry in the SiteName configuration array | 03:27 |
| * preaction & shower and edgy install | 03:27 | |
| perlm | Yes, spectre has never been a problem. Trying to put WebGUI in an SSL enabled virtualhost is what took all my time. But now that it is working, I'm really impressed. | 03:31 |
| perlm | The people at work tomorrow are going to flip when I show them what we'll be able to do without me writing 1 line of code. | 03:32 |
| Radix-wrk | mornin' | 03:35 |
| +crythias | kewl beanses | 03:37 |
| perlm | I'm guessing people here are part of or closely aligned with Plain Black? Does anyone know if PB hosting services can assure data security to an IRB looking over our research grant? We require absolute anomynity. | 03:41 |
| perlm | bbl, hope someone answers :) | 03:41 |
| Radix-wrk | I found the same thing perlm - though I found here that just meant that their expectations went higher - and ended up coding templates, teaching everyone how to get the best out of webgui.. problem solving and learning javascript/html to solve problems that webgui didn't do ;) | 03:42 |
| Radix-wrk | Only preaction and snapcount are PB employees here I think. | 03:42 |
| +crythias | yeah. I don't rank | 03:45 |
| +crythias | I'm just a guy | 03:45 |
| Radix-wrk | I'm in charge of the webgui site at my company so figure if I idle here I might be able to pick up a bit of knowledge about it on the odd occasion.. or help someone with the knowledge i do have :) | 03:47 |
| Radix-wrk | It'd be nice if we had a bigger irc community.. but we're slowly growing.. | 03:48 |
| +crythias | yeah.. if all of us have 2 logins... why, we could be like people... oh. | 03:49 |
| +crythias | 10 | 03:49 |
| +crythias | people | 03:49 |
| Radix-wrk | heh | 03:50 |
| Radix-wrk | now now crythias ;) | 03:50 |
| @preaction | like the poor head of a boy with a pituitary disorder, my army is slowly growing larger! | 03:51 |
| Radix-wrk | Well at least we've got two PB employees on here now.. when I first joined I was lucky to see one! | 03:54 |
| @preaction | this is what crythias means by "doesn't rank" :p he's got a whole long interview about him on pb.com | 03:56 |
| @preaction | hell, the reason I'M here is to learn from the users. 5 weeks working with WebGUI does not an expert make | 03:59 |
| @preaction | drake keeps telling us about our "truck number", if JT got hit by a truck right now, the rest of plainblack would be panicking | 03:59 |
| * preaction & edgy install for real this time | 04:00 | |
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| perlm | Anyone have any idea how much Plain Black charges for template designs? | 06:39 |
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| perlm | Can someone else change a page layout to "Left Column" and see if ^RawHeadTags(); shows up? | 07:10 |
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| @preaction | good morning everyone! | 17:22 |
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| perlm | I just don't understand. I feel like I've really explored WebGUI from the CMS side (still checking out the API), but this appears light years ahead of commercial products like Novells. Why do I get the feeling WebGUI doesn't have very deep market penetration? | 19:12 |
| @preaction | because it's free software backed by a company that doesn't have millions to spend on marketing, nor dozens of people to spend on development? | 19:13 |
| @preaction | up until last month, the dev team consisted of four programmers and one designer | 19:14 |
| @preaction | now there's six | 19:14 |
| @preaction | programmers, i mean | 19:14 |
| @preaction | plus the community regulars, there's 4-5 i see often | 19:14 |
| perlm | The last place I worked at spent ~$300K on consultants getting Novell's CMS tool configured. And to this day it is a buggy unscalable POS that causes them no end of pain. | 19:15 |
| @preaction | ... wow | 19:15 |
| perlm | Sounds like JT needs to hiring a marketing firm. | 19:16 |
| @preaction | i couldn't tell you the figures, but AMLA is getting two weeks of priority bugfixes to make their site completely 100% awesome, and i can guarantee it's less than 50K, probably less than 10K, hell, probably a lot less | 19:16 |
| @preaction | we're loaded as it is :P | 19:16 |
| @preaction | i'm on the support forums today, but otherwise roy's been pulling 60+ hour weeks, i anticipate i'll be doing the same for a couple weeks to get this EventCalendar rebuild released | 19:17 |
| @preaction | today i get to relax, fix some bugs, chat on IRC | 19:18 |
| perlm | loaded for work or loaded for an income stream? | 19:20 |
| perlm | or both :D | 19:20 |
| @preaction | work | 19:20 |
| @preaction | income stream is none of my business, and i'm happier that way | 19:20 |
| @preaction | my paycheque comes in, i work my little code-monkey buns off | 19:21 |
| perlm | sounds like exciting times | 19:23 |
| @preaction | if they'd just sign off on the durned technical specification i could get to real work | 19:23 |
| @preaction | and tomorrow we're having a bugfix day at JT's house | 19:23 |
| @preaction | should be good times | 19:24 |
| perlm | man, that is how you make a living? going to the boss's house for code parties? I'm frak'n green over here. | 19:31 |
| @preaction | likewise with the newbness here, this is my third week in my first "real" programming job | 19:33 |
| @preaction | freelancing doesn't count when you're working full-time at walmart | 19:33 |
| perlm | Even if they only pay you with fritos and coke, you might have one of the coolest jobs out there. | 19:36 |
| @preaction | bah. i keep forgetting ubuntu doesn't install build-essential by default | 19:36 |
| @preaction | i love it, except for the not understanding a damned thing part | 19:37 |
| @preaction | i mean, i know Perl, i know CSS, etc... but WebGUI is mammoth | 19:37 |
| @preaction | if JT was hit by a truck, the entire company would be in deep mekrob | 19:37 |
| diakopter | nah | 19:37 |
| perlm | yeah, I just started exploring it 4 years since I first looked at it, and it is incredibely complex | 19:38 |
| diakopter | preaction: depends on the type of truck. | 19:39 |
| @preaction | one of my goals is to tone down the complexity, but i doubt that will happen. | 19:39 |
| diakopter | preaction: what bug are you currently working on? | 19:40 |
| @preaction | AMLA had some bugs in the commerce system, which is getting overhauled for the 8.x series, but i'm fixing this stuff now | 19:40 |
| @preaction | trying to get Apache2::Reload working so i don't have to restart apache a billion times | 19:41 |
| @preaction | and why didn't CPAN notice that i didn't even have make installed? | 19:41 |
| perlm | but exactly what I've been looking for. The CMS gets sites up and running with minimal design work on my part, and the API is a well structured framework. What's not to love? | 19:42 |
| @preaction | the one thing that irks me is how the session instance is handled. it gets referenced in almost every single object | 19:43 |
| @preaction | it's also very very large | 19:43 |
| perlm | I wonder if I could put together a Fedora rpm for the repos. All the libs that require building are in the repos, and everything else was easily found in CPAN. | 19:43 |
| diakopter | preaction: what's wrong with it being large? It's never duplicated? | 19:44 |
| @preaction | perlm, i was thinking the same thing for ubuntu, but then there's the WRE | 19:44 |
| @preaction | diakopter, which is true, it's a personal preference of mine. it seems inelegant | 19:45 |
| perlm | WRE? That is great for people who don't know systems, but I like to *know* what's going on under the hood. | 19:45 |
| perlm | as long s the keyword "keys" never appears in OO perl, size and speed are not issues. | 19:45 |
| @preaction | i'm a minimalist at heart, WebGUI can't be minimalist, because the target audience are normal Joe Users | 19:46 |
| diakopter | when's the wiki asset going to make it to svn? | 19:47 |
| @preaction | plus, i'm not privy to the information on why certain things had to happen, so there are still things i don't understand | 19:47 |
| @preaction | that's a durn good question | 19:48 |
| @preaction | snapcount, roy, you got info? | 19:48 |
| @preaction | JT took over devel on it, he might know | 19:48 |
| @preaction | the wiki will make support so much easier, and better documentation | 19:52 |
| @preaction | i believe our tech writer started today too, so that should help the docs | 19:52 |
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| perlm | tech writer? You must be doing well if you can afford to hire a tech writer. | 20:09 |
| @preaction | or we anticipate doing good in the future with the new contracts | 20:18 |
| +crythias | :) | 21:17 |
| * crythias could have attempted tech writing, but never ft | 21:18 | |
| @preaction | i can write good docs, but i could never just write docs. i need to code | 21:22 |
| @preaction | i'm always paranoid that people won't understand my docs, but code is code | 21:23 |
| @preaction | anyone here know if something major changed for Template assets between 6.2 and 6.8? | 21:34 |
| perlm | Security tabs not showing up for users in Admin group? | 21:35 |
| +crythias | yeah, lots. try.. um.. version history | 21:35 |
| +crythias | my faq has more info. | 21:37 |
| +crythias | http://www.gwy2.org/fomfiles/cache/52.html | 21:38 |
| @preaction | i mean more to the structure of the Templates table. there's apparently a problem migrating 6.2 CS templates to 7.1.3, and it has to do with something that changed from then to 6.8 | 21:38 |
| +crythias | Yeah. no Navigation | 21:38 |
| +crythias | everything got changed to AssetProxy | 21:39 |
| @preaction | remind me to thoroughly bitch these people out for staying back at 6.2 for this long and expecting everything to just work when migrating... | 21:40 |
| @preaction | seems there's a gotcha specifically for Collaboration system templates in 6.3 | 21:41 |
| +crythias | mm.. yeah. and I lost lotsa collab stuff | 21:41 |
| perlm | Strange that Admin, who defaults to admin group and a guru level, can't see the security tabs. | 21:49 |
| perlm | strike that as Admin works fine. just another user error. | 21:50 |
| perlm | Which sounds easier, a macro that changes a users group, or a Paypal asset? | 21:51 |
| @preaction | why a macro? | 21:52 |
| @preaction | Paypal asset? you can't implement it as a WebGUI::Commerce::Payment? | 21:52 |
| perlm | I guess I should look at the API before I go off half-cocked re-inventing the wheel. | 21:53 |
| @preaction | probably | 21:55 |
| @preaction | users can have more than one group, just add them | 21:55 |
| +crythias | um. macro that changes a user's group is easy. | 21:55 |
| +crythias | what preaction said is more relevant. | 21:55 |
| +crythias | I don't get the existing "Add me to a group" macro. | 21:56 |
| perlm | The macro would be for after a data form has been successfully completed, they would be added to a new group giving them access to new page layouts + assets. | 21:56 |
| +crythias | give them the url | 21:56 |
| +crythias | there's already an add me to a group macro | 21:56 |
| +crythias | http://www.plainblack.com/using_webgui?op=viewHelp;hid=group%20add;namespace=Macro_GroupAdd | 21:58 |
| perlm | Very cool, but the user should have completed a data entry form before they can be added. So the validation of the data form could also add the user to the new group. | 22:00 |
| +crythias | then again, the datafor result screen could have a "Click here" (groupadd macro) when finished reading the dataform successful page. | 22:00 |
| @preaction | perlm, so put the macro on the successful completion template, and they'll get added | 22:01 |
| +crythias | well, they still have to click the link. | 22:01 |
| perlm | Nice | 22:02 |
| @snapcount | did someone say something to me? | 22:15 |
| @snapcount | preaction perhaps? | 22:16 |
| +crythias | you were mentioned in a list ... | 22:42 |
| @snapcount | and here I was thinking I was special | 23:03 |
| @snapcount | sheesh | 23:03 |
| @preaction | you are speshul, short-bus speshul | 23:46 |
| @preaction | but ... maybe... you wouldn't happen to know what's up with the Wiki asset would you? | 23:46 |
| +crythias | heh. short-bus special. | 23:50 |
| perlm | I'm curious as to how something like a Wiki asset gets decided. With apps like MediaWiki, it would seem like building interfaces to them would also be a good idea. | 23:57 |
| +crythias | well, there's a deal. | 23:57 |
| +crythias | see, wiki is weird. | 23:57 |
| +crythias | I'm rather incensed that there has to be always a "new" way to do what already is done. | 23:58 |
| +crythias | but wiki in WebGUI adds some complications as to how WikiWords (if implemented) will be handled. | 23:58 |
| +crythias | but we've discussed that ... | 23:59 |
| +crythias | http://www.plainblack.com/mods/what-is-a-wiki | 23:59 |
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| +crythias | http://www.plainblack.com/mods/twiki_or_usemodwiki#v5uY0G-uS_ZjdPTfitUQ1g | 00:00 |
| perlm | reading now | 00:00 |
| +crythias | http://www.plainblack.com/etcetera/discuss-how-would-you-want-a-wiki-implemented-in-webgui | 00:00 |
| +crythias | http://www.plainblack.com/news/news/first-webgui-7-beta-released-6.99.0/1 "Added a wiki-like feature that will automatically bring a user to the create a page form if they are in admin mode, and click on a link to a page that doesn't exist yet." | 00:03 |
| +crythias | http://www.plainblack.com/webgui/dev/forums/smoke-tests/smoke-test-results1111111111111 (wiki stuff) | 00:04 |
| +crythias | no wiki failed since 10/16/06 | 00:05 |
| @preaction | doesn't look like there even is a wiki in the smoke tests | 00:07 |
| +crythias | 10/14 10/15 10/16 had label issues | 00:07 |
| @preaction | oh, duh, at the bottom there | 00:08 |
| +crythias | "My computer won't turn on" "Did you talk nice to it?" | 00:09 |
| perlm | I'm trying to create an HTTP::Proxy Asset to connect to my MediaWiki page and having no luck. | 00:10 |
| +crythias | hm.. | 00:10 |
| perlm | My sites can only be accessed via ssl, so that is probably the issue. | 00:10 |
| perlm | Nope, I just proxied my WebGUI site with ssl no problem. | 00:11 |
| +crythias | gtg ttyl | 00:12 |
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| perlm | Hmm. I got the proxy working for my wiki. I would either have to have a custom wiki proxy asset to manage userid's and pwd's for the auto-login or else have both sites use LDAP and just pass along the uid/pwd. | 00:25 |
| @preaction | was there ever any talk about implementing everything possible in WebGUI as an Asset? | 01:01 |
| @preaction | Operations as Assets, Auth as Assets, Products as Assets, etc... | 01:01 |
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| Radix-Work | lol - Someone's not a happy chappy - "I started this thread more than three years ago. I do not even work at the same company any more nor do I use WebGui any longer. Lets let it die." | 04:39 |
| @preaction | whoa | 04:40 |
| Radix-Work | http://www.plainblack.com/etcetera/using_collateral_image_in_style/4#idaWMnIR3raUfiSM_F8490oA | 04:40 |
| Radix-Work | poor guy.. posted in 2003, and never got an answer until someone asked the same question in response to his thread recently. I responded and now he's annoyed because he finally got a response. | 04:42 |
| @snapcount | I'd be mad too if a group of people spent thousands of hours writing software, gave it away for free, and didn't take the time to answer my questions for free =) | 04:46 |
| @snapcount | I'll never understand why people undervalue FOSS but have expectations for it that rival every piece of closed source software on the planet | 04:47 |
| @preaction | perlbot hubris | 04:49 |
| perlbot | Excessive pride, the sort of thing Zeus zaps you for. Also the quality that makes you write (and maintain) programs that other people won't want to say bad things about. [Also, the thing that makes you write programs to do something that's already been done, because you believe you can do it better --- Wim.] Hence, the third great virtue of a programmer. | 04:49 |
| @snapcount | perlbot perl | 08:01 |
| perlbot | It's Perl (for the language) or perl (for the interpreter) but NEVER PERL! | 08:01 |
| @snapcount | perlbot epoch | 08:01 |
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| Radix-Work | perlbot learn Lotto as Lotto is a tax for people who can't do math. | 08:19 |
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| @preaction | perlbot doesn't work | 10:16 |
| perlbot | What do you mean it doesn't work? What happens when you try to run it? What's the output? What's the error message? What did you expect to happen? We need more information to help you. | 10:16 |
| @preaction | perlbot it doesn't work | 10:16 |
| perlbot | Look buddy, doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Be specific! Examples of what doesn't work (or the URL) tend to help too, or pastebin the code | 10:16 |
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| ckotil | Has anyone created a google sitemap of their webgui site? | 15:57 |
| ckotil | http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=34606 | 15:57 |
| Radix_ | ckotil, I did.. and I used webgui to generate the sitemap file too | 16:35 |
| Radix_ | but since switching to the wre I haven't installed python again and haven't got it going again | 16:36 |
| Radix_ | it's on my list of todo's. | 16:36 |
| Radix_ | I used the text file method - you can use a snippet with an assetproxy to a navigation object with a blank template - and return mime type text. | 16:38 |
| Radix_ | then use their sitemap_gen.py script | 16:38 |
| ckotil | what are the settings for the navigation asset? start at root, navigate down to infinity? | 17:03 |
| Radix_ | I think that's what I used yeah | 17:03 |
| ckotil | awesome. thanks | 17:04 |
| Radix_ | np :) | 17:04 |
| ckotil | i thought about doing it that way, but i figured i had to whip up a template to output the XML | 17:04 |
| ckotil | so i tried the python script, but couldnt get a working config.xml file | 17:04 |
| Radix_ | nah.. snippets and assetproxy combo's are great like that | 17:05 |
| ckotil | ya, ive used them a few times in my site. | 17:05 |
| ckotil | which is FINALLY going live tomorrow. thats when the DNS is scheduled to change | 17:05 |
| Radix_ | woot.. congrats :) | 17:05 |
| ckotil | thanks. | 17:05 |
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| ckotil | is there a way for me to find out what is causing this workflow error? | 18:39 |
| ckotil | 2006/11/06 23:35:27 - ERROR - spectre.conf - Spectre::Workflow::suspendInstance[387] - WORKFLOW: Workflow instance HMwVOhVuAtM9yEYNrVR6qw has failed to execute 5 times in a row and will no longer attempt to execute. | 18:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | hey guys, a quick reminder | 19:08 |
| +perlDreamer | please rerun the test suite after making changes to core code | 19:08 |
| +perlDreamer | over the last week, most of the Macro tests have been broken | 19:08 |
| +perlDreamer | the Session/Scratch test was broken last night | 19:08 |
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| Hawkaloogie | PARTY AT JT's HOUSE | 19:15 |
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| ckotil | why does the rebuildLineage.pl script fail at? Cleaning up...OK | 22:26 |
| ckotil | Don't forget to clear your cache. | 22:26 |
| ckotil | DBI connect('webgui;host=127.0.0.1','webgui',...) failed: (no error string) at ../lib/WebGUI/SQL.pm line 318 | 22:26 |
| ckotil | well i know how to fix it. but i dunno why the parameters dont get passed properly | 22:27 |
| ckotil | i have to set... | 22:27 |
| ckotil | my $dsn = shift; | 22:27 |
| ckotil | my $user = shift; | 22:27 |
| ckotil | my $pass = shift; | 22:27 |
| ckotil | to the real values. | 22:27 |
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| perlm | How's the bug stomping going, Preaction? | 22:43 |
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| perlm | I'm trying to lay out a preliminary architecture for an application based on WebGUI. How do you have the user interact with one asset on a page layout and have the results show up in another asset, in that same page layout, preferrabely with AJAX? Just an idea of the parts of WebGUI which would do this is all I'm asking for. | 01:20 |
| perlm | Is there some sort of event handler? A message handler? | 01:24 |
| perlm | Or does all asset communication have to be custom developed or through the DB? | 01:25 |
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| Radix_ | perlm: you can use scratch variables for that purpose | 01:27 |
| perlm | But there is no Javascript messaging system where one asset can tell another to update itself via an Ajax request? | 01:35 |
| Radix_ | no idea sorry | 01:37 |
| perlm | Can anyone remember off the top of their head a Macro that interacts with the Session object I can use as example code? | 02:06 |
| perlm | Nevermind, it appears most of them do :) | 02:07 |
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| perlm | I've learned two things. The session object is not an inside-out object, and from a macro, I have no idea how to gain access to an asset not from the Macro asset (and I can't find any accessor methods in the docs). | 03:13 |
| perlm | $session->asset->getId(); # returns an idea different from the Article Asset ID from the Properties page. | 03:16 |
| perlm | s/idea/id/ | 03:16 |
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| Radix-wrk | wow.. we're up to 10 people in this channel (excluding 2 dupes) | 04:09 |
| +crythia1 | oopsies | 04:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | anybody awake tonight? | 06:26 |
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| @preaction | ckotil, enact.sonoma.edu? | 08:31 |
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| perlm | In a Macro, can you use the session object to access a reference to an asset besides the one the macro was inside of? | 17:19 |
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| +crythias | ain't no sunshine when she's gone... | 22:46 |
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| @preaction | after 6 hours of dealing with the Beaurocracy, I finally get to do some work | 00:20 |
| +crythias | mmkay | 00:20 |
| +crythias | heh. | 00:20 |
| +crythias | I just found out I could get an iMac for $55 | 00:20 |
| +crythias | oops | 00:21 |
| +crythias | Google sends out kama sutra worm | 00:21 |
| @preaction | iMac like the desktopp one? the little cute thing? | 00:28 |
| +crythias | yeah the old one | 00:28 |
| +crythias | http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?InvtId=IM333-RAS-1B&cm_mmc=Froogle-_-DesktopComputers-_-Apple/MacintoshComputers-_-IM333-RAS-1B | 00:30 |
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| @preaction | snapcount, remember what I said about the secret admirers? Frank's got one bad ;) | 02:21 |
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| @snapcount | is it a hot chick? | 02:22 |
| @preaction | no, it's a Mac OSX junky | 02:23 |
| @preaction | i mean, they're never hot | 02:23 |
| @preaction | look at JT | 02:23 |
| * preaction & back to tedious technical writing | 02:23 | |
| +crythia1 | and that guy from the fly | 02:23 |
| +crythia1 | http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000156/ | 02:26 |
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| * DONBH8N ME. | 03:38 | |
| +DONBH8N | hrm | 03:38 |
| +DONBH8N | wonderfulness | 03:38 |
| Radix-wrk | ? | 03:38 |
| +DONBH8N | I can't believe it's not butter. | 03:39 |
| +DONBH8N | No, really. | 03:39 |
| Radix-wrk | its not.. it's irc | 03:39 |
| +DONBH8N | I'm soaking in it. | 03:39 |
| +DONBH8N | two great tastes that taste great together. | 03:39 |
| +DONBH8N | By Whamo. | 03:39 |
| +DONBH8N | Think Different. | 03:40 |
| +DONBH8N | good to the last drop. | 03:40 |
| Radix-wrk | Don't worry.. there are some men with white coats ready to take you away to your new room. | 03:40 |
| +DONBH8N | the quicker picker upper. | 03:40 |
| +DONBH8N | It's the economy, stupid. | 03:41 |
| +DONBH8N | I'll buy that for a dollar. | 03:41 |
| +DONBH8N | Believe it! | 03:42 |
| +DONBH8N | It's what's for dinner. | 03:42 |
| +DONBH8N | Always. | 03:43 |
| Radix-wrk | preaction/snapcount: PB website is broken ;) - "^AssetProxy(pb-redesign-2006/nav);" | 03:44 |
| +DONBH8N | yeah, it's bug'd at least twice. | 03:45 |
| Radix-wrk | http://www.plainblack.com/install/upgrade_help | 03:45 |
| Radix-wrk | looks like the collaboration object style is different from the parent page | 03:45 |
| +DONBH8N | just.. why is not support contract a link on the um... support page? | 03:46 |
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| perlm | Say I've got a data entry asset on a page layout and depending on what the user submits in that asset, I want an article asset with a macro in it to display data based on the submission from the data asset. How does the Macro know the submitted data from the data asset? Does the session object have it? Through the DB? | 06:50 |
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| Hawkaloogie | damnit, you have to stay longer than 6 minutes... | 07:45 |
| Radix-wrk | I'd love to know the answer myself.. only way I know of is using scratch variables | 08:01 |
| Radix-wrk | perlbot help | 08:02 |
| perlbot | (fact)::tell (who) about (what)::(what) > (who)::learn (what) as (info)::relearn (fact) as (info)::phone (phone number)::shorten (url)::shorten it::search (module)::docs (module)::perldoc -f (function)::jargon (term)::math::fortune::flip::host (type) (record)::rot13::roll (die)::tempconv (temp)::scramble (foo)::8ball::slap::diss::what time is it::top/bottom (number) karma::geoip (ip) | 08:02 |
| Radix-wrk | Hmm.. perlbot needs a greet function.. then you could leave him his answer when he next logs in :) | 08:03 |
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| @preaction | you could use a scratch variable, you could put a DataForm field containing the user's name (or the user's session, or whatever) | 08:46 |
| @preaction | a user profile field even? | 08:46 |
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| Radix-wrk | ahh.. neat.. hadnt thought of those | 09:47 |
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| maxscience | hi | 12:16 |
| maxscience | I need help :) | 12:16 |
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| Radix_ | ask.. and wait | 12:46 |
| Radix_ | we're all on diff time zones here.. so you may have to wait a bit.. but be patient and ye will be rewarded ;) | 12:46 |
| maxscience | :P | 13:21 |
| maxscience | http://www.plainblack.com/install/upgrade_help/errors-upgrading-from-7_1_3-to-7_2_0 | 13:22 |
| maxscience | http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/errors-upgrading-from-7_1_3 | 13:22 |
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| Radix_ | maxscience, Sorry.. not done an upgrade to 7.13 yet, let alone 7.20 - waiting for it to all stabilise first before I upgrade our server here | 16:28 |
| maxscience | :( | 16:28 |
| maxscience | But do you know how to manually force missing parts of the upgrade to rerun? | 16:29 |
| Radix_ | safer to roll back and redo it | 16:29 |
| Radix_ | try manually rm -rf /tmp/WebGUICache first | 16:30 |
| maxscience | I manually copied the backed up WebGUI dir over the new one and rerun the update. But it said no updates were necessary | 16:30 |
| Radix_ | Personally though.. I'd wait until 7.2 goes stable again.. and not bother until then | 16:30 |
| Radix_ | err.. you need to restore the database too | 16:30 |
| Radix_ | or did you copy the entire /data dir? | 16:31 |
| maxscience | yeah! But till now I supposed that the webguiupdate script of the WRE did also backup the database... | 16:31 |
| maxscience | it doesn't? | 16:31 |
| maxscience | no I just copied the WebGUI dir | 16:31 |
| Radix_ | that doesn't include the database then | 16:31 |
| Radix_ | the database is in /data/wre/prereqs/mysql | 16:32 |
| Radix_ | ideally you should have a mysqldump of it as well as your /data/ dir backup | 16:32 |
| maxscience | yeah I know but I didn't manually backup the database because I thought webguiupdate script did it | 16:32 |
| Radix_ | it does.. but I forget offhand where it puts it.. | 16:32 |
| maxscience | mmh :( When it ask where to backup, it's /data/wre/var | 16:33 |
| Radix_ | I've never relied on the webgui update backup.. always done my own | 16:34 |
| Radix_ | it stores them in /tmp/backups | 16:36 |
| Radix_ | unless you specify another dir to put them in | 16:36 |
| Radix_ | well.. that's the perl upgrade script anyway.. the wre backup is stored where you specify it | 16:37 |
| maxscience | and the wre backup does mysql backups too? | 16:37 |
| Radix_ | the wre update script only seems to copy the /data/WebGUI/etc dir to the dir you specify | 16:38 |
| Radix_ | it runs the normal perl upgrade script tho.. so it should've made db backups in /tmp/backups | 16:38 |
| Radix_ | of course if you've rebooted since.. your /tmp dir may have been wiped clean already | 16:39 |
| maxscience | no it's there hopefully! mydomain_com_7.1.3.sql | 16:39 |
| Radix_ | cool :) | 16:40 |
| Radix_ | restore that sql then.. and hopefully you'll get your old db back | 16:40 |
| maxscience | so now I just have to drop the actual mysql db and reload it with the .sql file? | 16:40 |
| Radix_ | that's what I'd do.. it might drop them automatically in the sql file tho | 16:40 |
| maxscience | ok thx :) | 16:41 |
| Radix_ | np | 16:41 |
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| @preaction | 7.2.1 should be more stable than 7.1.3, and the attitude of "i'll update when it's stable" hurts stability, because it won't get run on a whole bunch of different system until it's "stable", and it won't be stable until it can run on a whole bunch of different systems | 17:25 |
| @preaction | but the decision to tag "stable" is JT's, so we'll leave it to him | 17:25 |
| ckotil | should i upgrade if im taking a site live tomorrow? currently on 7.1.3 | 17:44 |
| @preaction | it works now? if i were you i wouldn't. i'd Always (whether tagged "stable" or not) update the dev server and test before bringing live | 17:54 |
| @preaction | if it works now, and you're releasing tomorrow, i'd wait, do the release, and then update the dev server and see how the latest goes with your site | 17:54 |
| @preaction | basically every week, or every couple weeks, keep your dev server updated, then when you can, update production | 17:55 |
| @preaction | you'll have to figure out a routine for moving the wG source and running the sbin/upgrade.pl script | 17:56 |
| crythia3 | grr | 18:09 |
| crythia3 | look, I [think I] understand linear upgrade path, but ... seriously? 20 bug fixes in a Beta doesn't inspire confidence. | 18:11 |
| maxscience | indeed | 18:12 |
| crythia3 | I wonder what's a better business decision/model: dump whatever the heck or do custom programming for the people who want it/pay for it, and let the stable-users get.. oh, I don't know.. stable releases? | 18:13 |
| crythia3 | why the heck do we bother with beta releases? Why not simply tell people to get the latest svn nightly build? | 18:14 |
| maxscience | a better decision model would just be to be nice to users reporting bugs and giving feedback instead than yelling at them... Those nerds need to go to the countryside a little bit lol | 18:27 |
| ckotil | kthx | 18:29 |
| ckotil | ill bring up the dev server to 7.2 | 18:29 |
| ckotil | ;] | 18:29 |
| ckotil | most people know what a beta is. a small fraction know about nightly svn builds | 18:31 |
| crythia3 | and the difference to people who actually run WebGUI in production is...? | 18:38 |
| maxscience | the result is that I have my install screwed up now... | 19:01 |
| perlm | when you hit submit in one asset, is there anyway for another asset to see what was submitted via the API, or must the DB be checked? | 19:19 |
| perlm | If I shouldn't be asking these questions here, would someone let me know? | 19:44 |
| ckotil | this is good place to ask. it just takes time to get answers | 19:44 |
| ckotil | plainblack support forum is goo dtoo | 19:45 |
| ckotil | i just dont know the answer ;] | 19:45 |
| perlm | thanks ckotil, I just didn't want it to be the case where everyone was quietly ignoring me hoping I'd go away. | 19:46 |
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| jZed | hi, I am wanting to play with WebGui on my home debian etch box that already has a ton of perl / apache / mysl stuff ... | 20:25 |
| jZed | can I install the WRE but leave my existing installs intact? | 20:25 |
| perlm | I was under the impression that the WRE was a seperate Perl env. | 20:31 |
| jZed | so maybe install debian on a different partition and put webgui there? | 20:31 |
| perlm | But WebGUI doesn't interfer with your current install. It may require additional CPAN modules, but you don't have to change Perl params. | 20:31 |
| perlm | the biggest problem you might have is with the virtual host settings in Apache. | 20:32 |
| perlm | Luckily I have two domains pointing at my server and had WebGUI answer the surplus one. But you can hax that by editing your /etc/hosts file. | 20:32 |
| jZed | WRE won't mess with paths etc so it will use its own perl and @INC and I can keep using my other perl installs | 20:33 |
| jZed | hmm, couldn't I just have my current apache on port 80 and stick the webgui apache on some other port? | 20:33 |
| ckotil | yes | 20:33 |
| perlm | I am not positive as I didn't install it. I'm new to WebGUI myself, so can't really answer that. | 20:34 |
| ckotil | simply edit the webgui.conf file in/data/etc | 20:34 |
| jZed | cool | 20:34 |
| perlm | run two instances of apache? sure, that would work to | 20:34 |
| perlm | but virtual hosts are much more sexy | 20:35 |
| jZed | ok, so as long as I have my configs right, I can put webgui in the same partition, and not have it interfere with either my current perl or apache setup? | 20:35 |
| jZed | yeah, sure virtual hosts | 20:35 |
| perlm | I'm running WebGUI on my server in a virtual host and it has zero effect on the many other webapps I'm also running. | 20:40 |
| jZed | ok, that answers the apache side, what about perl, do you have multiple perls? | 20:41 |
| jZed | .oO(I suppose from your nick, you do) | 20:43 |
| jZed | webgui sounds like it scales, anyone know the heaviest-traffic / most complex site using it? | 20:45 |
| jZed | the success stories on plainBlack seem to be small to medium sites | 20:47 |
| perlm | it is mod_perl. I imagine you'd be mem bound before you'd be CPU bound. Which means you should know about SQUID :) | 21:04 |
| perlm | I only have one instance of Perl (5.8.8) which everything shares happily. | 21:04 |
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| @preaction | jZed, currently a place called DonorWare is running an slew of virtual hosts using wG on a server farm. they're using db caching, nfs mounts, and load balancers. | 21:07 |
| @preaction | i believe they have a load sharing between two servers running about 10 sites + 9 ssl versions | 21:09 |
| @preaction | i've watched, httpd only gets above 5% CPU load when it's restarting, otherwise a calm 2-3% | 21:09 |
| @preaction | i don't know the specs on those boxen though | 21:10 |
| perlm | WebGUI has an easy to use performance feature. It will show you how long it took to render a page. So you can do some testing of your own. | 21:11 |
| perlm | have multiple LWP bots traverse your site and track the page load time to get a metric. | 21:12 |
| @preaction | there's a program called "siege" that can do that for you | 21:12 |
| perlm | nice | 21:12 |
| perlm | okay, I've got to head into the office for a meeting. Laters | 21:13 |
| @preaction | have fun | 21:13 |
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| jZed | great, thanks for the pointer to DonorWare | 21:21 |
| jZed | btw, I got a strong recommendation to use webgui from one of the top developers in Venezuela! so kudos. | 21:22 |
| @preaction | it is the awesome, and as the newest developer hired by plainblack, i intend to make it more the awesome | 21:28 |
| @preaction | plus with these more developers, roy can work less on support and more on making the awesome | 21:29 |
| jZed | looks like a fantastic project | 21:32 |
| @preaction | it is, i'm ecstatic that i'm getting paid to be a part of it ;) | 21:33 |
| jZed | congrats! | 21:33 |
| @preaction | there's the tedious crap, like trying to upgrade donorware since they INSIST on using the 6.2 and 6.8 versions :p | 21:33 |
| @preaction | (so your 7.1 or 7.2 should be even faster than donorware's) | 21:34 |
| jZed | nice, I won't need performance right away but I gotta know it will scale really big | 21:34 |
| jZed | it looks fairly easy to make plugins too, that will be important | 21:35 |
| @preaction | yes, there are provided skeletons, and the list of required methods is very small | 21:35 |
| @preaction | something you might get tripped up on is the way wG implements content-chunking (apache bit-buckets) | 21:36 |
| @preaction | the prepareView / View / www_view methods | 21:36 |
| @preaction | but that's what we're here for, the forums are there for, etc... | 21:36 |
| jZed | yeah, community is the key | 21:37 |
| jZed | in the past I've rolled my own with Mason but this looks like it provides more out of the box but is still extensible | 21:38 |
| jZed | any reason it isn't on CPAN? | 21:39 |
| @preaction | configuration handling is the biggest thing. it will draw, process, and provide accessors for whatever configuration you want | 21:39 |
| @preaction | that's a good question actually, maybe because it's on sourceforge | 21:39 |
| jZed | I have stuff on both (i.e. the same stuff on both) | 21:40 |
| @preaction | maybe because there's already a slew of them on cpan? i dunno man | 21:41 |
| jZed | I recommend it | 21:41 |
| @preaction | maybe just lost in the shuffle | 21:41 |
| @preaction | but it would be more publicity (and we seem to be getting a bunch these days) | 21:41 |
| jZed | that way if I get involved my team and I can contribute plugins the standard CPAN way | 21:42 |
| @preaction | maybe that's why: it takes the namespaces out of plainblack control | 21:42 |
| jZed | but I'm just kibbitzing :-) | 21:42 |
| @preaction | there's nothing, of course, preventing you from doing that... | 21:42 |
| @preaction | hmm... i should write a post to the dev list about it | 21:42 |
| @preaction | or maybe look through the archives, someone might've suggested it already | 21:43 |
| jZed | you could do something like DBI does ... Tim assigns prefixes for DBD authors, only the assigned prefixes are guaranteed to work | 21:43 |
| @preaction | DBIx and DBDx | 21:43 |
| @preaction | i get it | 21:43 |
| @preaction | WebGUIx | 21:43 |
| jZed | yeah something like that | 21:43 |
| @preaction | would make contributing custom stuff that much easier, the current plainblack site has contributions, none of which are newer than a few years | 21:44 |
| jZed | I haven't looked, is the database stuff straight DBI or Class::DBI ror DBIx::Class? | 21:45 |
| jZed | or your own? | 21:45 |
| @preaction | it's a wrapper on DBI | 21:45 |
| @preaction | WebGUI only support MySQL, so it's almost superfluous to use DBI | 21:46 |
| jZed | does it provide db objects? | 21:46 |
| @preaction | it's in there somewhere, if there's a well-documented accessor for it, dunno | 21:47 |
| @preaction | might be a $wGsql->{_dbh} sort of thing | 21:47 |
| jZed | no, I don't mean getting the database handle object, I mean objects for tables etc. ala Class::DBI | 21:48 |
| @preaction | no, straight SQL / DBI stuff | 21:48 |
| @preaction | you could use Class::DBI though | 21:48 |
| jZed | personally, I'm a straight DBI guy but some of the other team prefer the Object wrappers/mappers | 21:49 |
| @preaction | i prefer my own wrapper that provides generic get/set/find/delete methods (the find method is unbelievably complex, taken from DBIx::Abstract iirc) | 21:50 |
| @preaction | but since most DBs are layed out with a key for each row, all you need are those four functions | 21:50 |
| jZed | DBIx::Abstract++ | 21:51 |
| @preaction | indeed | 21:51 |
| @preaction | admittedly: i have to do two calls for normal search functions, a find() and a get() (because find() only returns IDs) | 21:51 |
| @preaction | but find() could be modified to accept a columns => parameter | 21:52 |
| @preaction | anyway, that's in a past-life, when I wrote my own webapp framework | 21:52 |
| jZed | yeah, or presumably we could subclass your Database.pm and roll our own | 21:52 |
| @preaction | (which surprisingly is a lot like wG was in its infancy) | 21:52 |
| @preaction | that also | 21:52 |
| @preaction | you just increase your dependencies | 21:52 |
| jZed | how are sessions handled? in the db or memcached? | 21:53 |
| @preaction | i'm of the type who hates dependencies, even though wG currently has a whole lot of them | 21:53 |
| @preaction | db | 21:53 |
| jZed | yeah, I agree about dependencies | 21:53 |
| jZed | but I'm gonna have some specific and heavy database needs | 21:54 |
| @preaction | that's another thing i wanted to take a look at, opening sessions is currently the most costly operation wG does often | 21:54 |
| jZed | we had problems with sessions data swamping the db previously | 21:54 |
| @preaction | sometimes a single page load can cause three or four sessions to be opened (for various functions) | 21:54 |
| @preaction | actually, i'm not sure about that. they might be cached somewhere | 21:56 |
| @preaction | i mean, it's mod_perl, so we're technically stateful, so we can keep info like that in memory | 21:57 |
| @preaction | maybe that's why Apache2::SizeLimit is a requirement, the session memory cache gets too large | 21:57 |
| jZed | my CTO is asking about blogs, got a URL I can point hm to? | 22:00 |
| @preaction | start a demo site from http://demo.plainblack.com, create a Collaboration System wobject, and choose the "Blog Layout" under Collaboration System Layout in the Display Tab | 22:01 |
| @preaction | the collab system can do just about any forum-style, thread-like type of site | 22:01 |
| jZed | cool, thanks | 22:02 |
| @preaction | (or something like that, I'm not good with the off-the-cuff answers yet) | 22:03 |
| jZed | ok, well we got lost in creating the collab thing, might want a screenshot of a blog on the site | 22:13 |
| jZed | looks amazing though | 22:14 |
| jZed | can't figure out how to display the blog once it's created, oh well I can muddle through ... | 22:15 |
| jZed | oh there it is | 22:15 |
| @preaction | i believe that new wobjects are hidden from navigation by default, that's on the display tab iirc | 22:18 |
| @preaction | otherwise the navigation usually fills in new assets/wobjects automagically | 22:18 |
| jZed | yeah, I found the display tab and then the new, and then remembered to scroll down on the news page :-) | 22:19 |
| jZed | I'm better at designing these things than using 'em :-) | 22:20 |
| @preaction | likewise | 22:20 |
| @preaction | remember too, that your demo is active for 24 hours, but if you log out without committing the new collab system, your visitors wont see it | 22:21 |
| @preaction | the committing version tags thing still throws me | 22:21 |
| jZed | yeah I committed | 22:21 |
| @preaction | http://tryruby.hobix.com/ <- why doesn't Perl have something awesome like this? | 22:21 |
| * preaction wants Perl6 in the worst possible way | 22:21 | |
| jZed | um, you could write that app in a one-liner in perl, it isn't on the web because it would be too easy for someone to shoot themselves in the foot :-) | 22:22 |
| @preaction | nono, i meant more of the tutorial thing | 22:23 |
| @preaction | the walk-through, interactive tutorial | 22:23 |
| jZed | oh, haven't tried that | 22:23 |
| @preaction | type "help" into it | 22:23 |
| @preaction | it walks you through it | 22:23 |
| jZed | oh, that *is* nice | 22:23 |
| @preaction | a javascript frontend, with an ajax call to a perl interpreter | 22:29 |
| @preaction | prebuilt module objects | 22:29 |
| @preaction | hmm... something to put in my notebook of WONDERFUL IDEAS | 22:29 |
| jZed | I'd use it | 22:35 |
| @preaction | if i build it awesomely enough, it could be used for perl6 as well | 22:35 |
| @preaction | but i have a whole EventsCalendar to rewrite first | 22:35 |
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| jZed | you could write a webgui interactive demo for it (combine them $ and WONDERFUL IDEAS, best of both worlds) | 22:39 |
| @preaction | that'd be flash, i can't develop flash because i can't afford it (and i run ubuntu, no good flash tools for linux yet) | 22:40 |
| jZed | yep | 22:40 |
| @preaction | but, wG and plainblack are active in the local perl communities, i'm sure one of their sites would like it, perhaps madmongers, or this new whyperl site i saw JT and steve discussing the other day | 22:41 |
| jZed | you could add in some of the perlmonks chatterbox widgets like perldoc://function_name | 22:42 |
| jZed | or cpan://module_name | 22:42 |
| @preaction | this is getting to be some sort of new hotness site | 22:42 |
| @preaction | nah, there's already annocpan | 22:43 |
| @preaction | annocpan rules, and needs more contributers | 22:43 |
| @preaction | in fact, to be honest, the entire perl website community needs to be updated for "WEB 2.0" (buzzword is hilariously ironic) | 22:44 |
| @preaction | it's almost like Perl is an old-man's tool :( | 22:44 |
| jZed | you're preaching to the choir, my last gig was 80% AJAX and 20% Perl | 22:44 |
| jZed | JSON rules | 22:44 |
| @preaction | i'm not hooked on JSON yet, why not yaml or something? | 22:45 |
| @preaction | JSON is ... cranky... an extra , will set it off | 22:46 |
| jZed | because your perl backend can send JSON to an AJAX callback and the callback has a JavaScript structure it can pour into a display widget wtihout messing with any decoding | 22:46 |
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| jZed | you basically write all your JavaScript structures in perl | 22:47 |
| @preaction | or you could use XML / XSL / and XPath | 22:47 |
| @preaction | WebGUI has just started using Yui as a standard JS library, so there should be all sorts of fun things we can do with ajax and the like now | 22:47 |
| jZed | no no no, then you have to do something with it to get it into JavaScript | 22:47 |
| @preaction | okay, i get it now | 22:47 |
| jZed | I mean, sure there are uses for XML but lots of stuff you don't need that step | 22:48 |
| @preaction | you'd have to have a JS function that would use those DOM tools to get things | 22:48 |
| jZed | no, suppose you have a JS display widget that expects an AOH, you create the AOH in perl, wrap it in JSON with one line and send it to the callback whch just hands it to the widget | 22:49 |
| jZed | no parsing or DOM walking at all | 22:49 |
| @preaction | exactly | 22:50 |
| @preaction | i was saying that, instead of using json, you'd have to do what i said | 22:50 |
| @preaction | which is more work | 22:50 |
| jZed | ah, I see, right | 22:50 |
| @preaction | anyway, seriously, i have to rewrite wG's events calendar (which currently is the suck) and I have 11 days to do it (but it will be completely the awesome) | 22:52 |
| * preaction & working | 22:52 | |
| jZed | excellent, I need that, if you want a tester, email me at jzucker@cpan.org | 22:53 |
| jZed | thanks for all the info | 22:53 |
| @preaction | np | 22:53 |
| @preaction | i need to get my new server, so i can have a web-facing dev server again | 22:54 |
| @preaction | no, no no, i must not IRC, i must not IM, i must WORK... good gravy i'm easily distracted | 22:54 |
| jZed | same here, talk to you later | 22:54 |
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| jZe1 | do you folks have a bug-tracking system somewhere or should I file it here? | 23:44 |
| jZe1 | this page http://www.plainblack.com/wre/installing says to decompress the binary but when you run /sbin/setup it asks "Please type the path to the file" : a) you should mention which file and b) it is expecting an compressed wre-version.tar.gz not an uncompressed one like in the docs | 23:47 |
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| @preaction | rizen, durnit, now you got me curious... | 00:00 |
| @rizen | sorry about that | 00:08 |
| @rizen | is anyone actually here | 00:09 |
| @rizen | or is everyone just squatting? | 00:09 |
| @preaction | yes'm | 00:09 |
| @preaction | i shouldn't be, i should be working | 00:10 |
| jZe1 | I'm an outsider in the middle of an install, if you folks wants some privacy I'll leave | 00:10 |
| @preaction | nono, this is community place | 00:10 |
| jZe1 | thanks | 00:10 |
| @preaction | i dunno why chanserv autoops me, the freenode way is usually ops only appear when something goes very wrong | 00:10 |
| @preaction | and i think only roy and/or rizen have the real chanserv access | 00:11 |
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| jZed | when sbin/setup asks "Please type the path to the file" what file does it want? | 00:18 |
| @preaction | that's a good question, lemme see | 00:18 |
| @rizen | the full path to the webgui-x.x.x-stable.tar.gz | 00:19 |
| @rizen | that you've supposedly already downloaded | 00:19 |
| @rizen | because you chose not to get it from a mirror | 00:19 |
| jZed | right, but in order to run sbin/setup, you've already unpacked the tar.gz | 00:19 |
| @preaction | jZed, it doesn't have the WebGUI part, just the WRE | 00:19 |
| @rizen | yes, the WRE and WebGUI are two seperate systems | 00:20 |
| jZed | so it wants e.g /data/wre or /data/wre-version.tar.gz | 00:20 |
| @rizen | the WRE doesn't come with WebGUI | 00:20 |
| @rizen | no | 00:20 |
| @rizen | it doesn't want the path to the WRE | 00:20 |
| @rizen | it wants the path to WebGUI | 00:20 |
| @preaction | jZed, no, it wants webgui-7.1.3-stable.tar.gz or whatever | 00:20 |
| @rizen | rather a webgui tarball | 00:20 |
| jZed | I went to the site, i clicked download, it sent me to wre-version.tar.gz | 00:22 |
| jZed | neither it nor the install instructions refer to a webgui...tar.gz | 00:22 |
| @rizen | since you arent' listening to what we've told you | 00:23 |
| @rizen | then the best way i can help you is to tell you to start over | 00:23 |
| @rizen | delete the /data/wre folder | 00:23 |
| @rizen | decomrpress again | 00:23 |
| @rizen | and when you run setup this time | 00:23 |
| @rizen | just chose mirror | 00:23 |
| @rizen | don't choose local | 00:24 |
| jZed | ok, but I still don't see any webgui.tar.gz :-) | 00:24 |
| jZed | thanks | 00:25 |
| @rizen | forget it | 00:26 |
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| @preaction | you'll download it when you choose "mirror" | 00:28 |
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| @preaction | and the reason you have to delete / reinstall is because the setup script is borked. that's why the WRE is in the 0.* series | 00:28 |
| jZed | no problem | 00:28 |
| @preaction | the WRE is also completely JT's domain for now, the rest of us have too much on our plates with wG proper | 00:29 |
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| +MrHairgrease | roy | 16:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | or doug | 16:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | are you guys there? | 16:06 |
| Radix_ | hi martin.. ain't heard from him in a while | 16:07 |
| Radix_ | last thing he said was about 14 hours ago | 16:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | ah | 16:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | that explains something =) | 16:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | is anybody using the latest svn checkout? | 16:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | or 7.2.1? | 16:12 |
| Radix_ | not me | 16:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 16:12 |
| Radix_ | I was going to ask a question too.. | 16:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | the admin bar won't show up | 16:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | so I wondering if it's broken | 16:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | or if I'm just being dumb =) | 16:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | what is it? | 16:12 |
| Radix_ | anyone using the rss syndication to show up flickr rss feeds? - it seems to stop after the first <p> section ends.. | 16:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | no | 16:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | not me | 16:13 |
| Radix_ | might have to look at the code.. see if I can figure out why | 16:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | do you have a url to the feed? | 16:13 |
| Radix_ | http://api.flickr.com/services/feeds/photos_public.gne?id=90355682@N00&format=rss_200 | 16:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah that's the way to go =) | 16:14 |
| Radix_ | that's the one I'm using.. my photo collection :) | 16:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 16:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'll have a look later this day | 16:14 |
| Radix_ | it stops after 'posted a photo</p>' and never puts the photo | 16:14 |
| Radix_ | cool | 16:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | It might be due to the fact that the xml parser also parses the html tags | 16:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'm not sure | 16:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | but I can imagine that it is something like that | 16:15 |
| Radix_ | yeah.. I suspect so too.. though I wouldn't know how to fix it if it was :) | 16:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | me neither | 16:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | I never looked at that code | 16:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | If you can't fix it, just file a bug report =) | 16:17 |
| Radix_ | _strip_html($rss) - hmm.. that'd rip out all the img tags and what not.. bet that's what's doing it | 16:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 16:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | it sounds like that anyway | 16:26 |
| Radix_ | yup | 16:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | you could try to comment thet function | 16:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | and check if it works | 16:27 |
| Radix_ | going to give it a try.. but not on our production server.. and I just wiped my laptop to play with windows vista (that was my test server).. hehe | 16:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's a wise decission | 16:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 16:29 |
| Radix_ | heh | 16:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | ah fixed it | 16:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | someone borked WebGUI::User | 16:35 |
| Radix_ | okey.. grub restored, and ubuntu back up on my laptop.. time to give syndicatedcontent.pm a hack :) | 16:57 |
| Radix_ | Hmm.. if I rip that bit out.. then it keeps the html.. but spits it out as text in the feed. converts all the < and > to <'s and >'s even | 17:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh that sucks | 17:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | I don't have time to look into it | 17:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | sry | 17:08 |
| Radix_ | no probs :) | 17:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | i know =) | 17:08 |
| Radix_ | I'll have a further play with it.. bout time I started hacking webgui more anyway | 17:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's fun | 17:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | you can win prizes with it =) | 17:09 |
| * MrHairgrease pats himeself on the back | 17:09 | |
| Radix_ | heh | 17:09 |
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| @snapcount | what is borked in wg::user? | 17:39 |
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| +MrHairgrease | nothing special | 17:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | check the latest rev in svn | 17:41 |
| @snapcount | is it that IP restricting admin console thingy | 17:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | yes | 17:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | i didn't have the setting in my conf | 17:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | and the admin bar errored | 17:45 |
| @snapcount | the upgrade script should have put a default one there | 17:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | it should | 17:45 |
| @snapcount | hehe | 17:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | but if you are running a dev environment | 17:46 |
| @snapcount | WebGUI *should* do many things =) | 17:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's true | 17:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | most people won't notice it | 17:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | but it's cleaner this way | 17:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | the thing was that the setting was put in in the 7.14->7.20 | 17:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | but I updated | 17:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | did a previousVersion.sql | 17:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | and upgraded essentially from 7.2.0 ->7.2.1 | 17:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | so it was never run on my env | 17:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | well | 17:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | it doesn't matter that much | 17:47 |
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| jZed | whaaaa! my apache-fu is not as strong as my perl-fu and I have run the WRE install perhaps 50 times in the last day and still get stumped at mod_perl failed to start, mod_proxy failed to start, Spectre failed to start :-( | 18:21 |
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| jZed | hey, at least I got the WRE MySQL working | 18:22 |
| jZed | I read some forum messages about people with the same problem but not solutions | 18:22 |
| jZed | docs say to check /data/wre/prereqs/apache/logs but there is no such directory since (I believe) apache isn't starting so there are no logs | 18:23 |
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| Radix_ | only issue I've ever had with wre mysql was when permissions were not set | 18:30 |
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| jZed | MySQL is working fine, it's mod_perl that won't start | 18:30 |
| jZed | and I don't even know how to troubleshoot since there are no logs | 18:30 |
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| Radix_ | check logs in /data/wre/var | 18:30 |
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| Radix_ | well.. webgui log is there anyway | 18:31 |
| jZed | yes, it's there and 0 bites since rc.webgui start failed | 18:31 |
| jZed | bytes | 18:31 |
| Radix_ | other logs are in /data/wre/prereqs/apache/logs | 18:31 |
| Radix_ | try creating the dir if it doesn't exist | 18:31 |
| Radix_ | that might be why it's failing to run even | 18:32 |
| jZed | aha! there is wremonitor.log | 18:32 |
| jZed | it says bad hostname ':' | 18:32 |
| jZed | so I guess the hostname is not being set | 18:33 |
| jZed | I am just using localhost since this is my box and no DNS | 18:33 |
| Radix_ | wremonitor has always been pretty useless for me.. never used it.. still waiting on a newer wre with a fixed wremonitor myself. | 18:33 |
| Radix_ | edit /etc/hosts and add your hostnames there | 18:34 |
| jZed | yeah, already did that as per the docs | 18:34 |
| Radix_ | ie. 127.0.0.1 localhost www.mycompany.com mycompany.com | 18:34 |
| jZed | docs say dev.localhost.domain | 18:34 |
| jZed | and wre setup seems to stick the dev. on there | 18:35 |
| Radix_ | wierd.. I don't recall that.. and my wre setup didn't | 18:35 |
| jZed | well, hmm, now I get during setup ... Configuring WebGUI... | 18:37 |
| jZed | Use of uninitialized value in subroutine entry at ./setup line 159. | 18:37 |
| jZed | Bad arg length for Socket::inet_ntoa, length is 0, should be 4 at ./setup line 159. | 18:37 |
| jZed | btw, thanks much for your help | 18:37 |
| Radix_ | type 'which perl' | 18:38 |
| Radix_ | is it returning the /data/wre/prereqs/perl one? or another copy of perl somewhere? | 18:39 |
| jZed | the script should be, my command line is for another perl | 18:39 |
| jZed | yeah the script shebang points at the WRE perl | 18:39 |
| jZed | I've verified that thought they're both 5.8.8 only the wre one has the wre @INCS | 18:40 |
| Radix_ | if you don't set up your environment right though - it won't use the wre perl libraries properly | 18:40 |
| Radix_ | hence why I asked you to type 'which perl' | 18:41 |
| jZed | which perl is /usr/local/bin/perl | 18:41 |
| Radix_ | the wre is far from perfect.. if you use it right it's great, but there are still bugs and gaps | 18:41 |
| Radix_ | biggest one is that not all the scripts set their environment properly | 18:42 |
| jZed | yeah and it would be cleaner if I had an extra partition instead of trying to install where I already have perls, mysql, apache, etc | 18:42 |
| Radix_ | best way to fix this is to use ". /data/wre/sbin/setenvironment" before you run ANY wre scripts | 18:42 |
| Radix_ | it's the only way you can be sure they'll run right | 18:42 |
| jZed | ah, ok, let me try that, thanks | 18:42 |
| Radix_ | note that the space between the dot and the path is deliberate | 18:42 |
| Radix_ | . /data/wre/sbin/setenvironment | 18:43 |
| jZed | of course it will probably screw up my mason, python, and php stuff, oh well | 18:43 |
| Radix_ | no, shouldn't | 18:43 |
| jZed | oh good :-) | 18:43 |
| Radix_ | except any other copy of apache you'll need to run on another port address (other than 80/81) | 18:43 |
| +crythias | well.. | 18:44 |
| +crythias | you don't have to. | 18:44 |
| +crythias | I mean, yes, you do.. | 18:44 |
| Radix_ | ? | 18:44 |
| +crythias | but you can virtualhost lots of stuff... | 18:44 |
| +crythias | different configs per site. | 18:45 |
| Radix_ | yeah, but getting php working for the wre is a bitch | 18:45 |
| +crythias | oh. | 18:45 |
| +crythias | :( | 18:45 |
| Radix_ | pardon my french | 18:45 |
| +crythias | bummer. | 18:45 |
| Radix_ | mod_php is not included in the distro | 18:45 |
| +crythias | I never tried. | 18:45 |
| jZed | I think I'll try to get webgui working then later I can import parts of my old apache conf into it | 18:45 |
| Radix_ | so you need to compile it manually | 18:45 |
| jZed | bleh, I think I'll stick with two apaches on two ports | 18:46 |
| Radix_ | easier to simply run another apache with mod_php on another port and mod_proxy it in | 18:46 |
| Radix_ | you can use the wre mod_proxy to link to it.. and mod-rewrite rules to transparently hide it all so it seems like it's all on one server | 18:46 |
| jZed | hrm, did the setenvironment thing, still getting Use of uninitialized value in subroutine entry at ./setup line 159. | 18:47 |
| jZed | Bad arg length for Socket::inet_ntoa, length is 0, should be 4 at ./setup line 159. | 18:47 |
| jZed | line 159 is looking for gethostname() | 18:47 |
| Radix_ | you didn't script up your localhost entry in /etc/hosts when you edited it by any chance? | 18:47 |
| jZed | no, but hostname reports a different name | 18:48 |
| jZed | maybe that's it | 18:48 |
| Radix_ | hostname must be in /etc/hosts | 18:48 |
| jZed | can I re-load /etc/hosts without rebooting? | 18:49 |
| Radix_ | sure | 18:49 |
| Radix_ | just edit it and that's it | 18:50 |
| jZed | hmm but I put a different hostname in and it still shows the old one | 18:50 |
| Radix_ | edit /etc/hostname? | 18:51 |
| Radix_ | or reboot? | 18:51 |
| jZed | edited but didn't reboot | 18:51 |
| jZed | /etc/hosts shows 127.0.0.1 dev dev.localhost.localdomain | 18:53 |
| jZed | guess Imma reboot, thanks for the tips, back soon | 18:57 |
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| jZed__ | this little script sure comes in handy: rm /data/wre/var/hoster.arg.cache; rm /data/wre/var/version.txt; rm -r /data/We\bGUI; /data/wre/sbin/setenvironment; /data/wre/sbin/setup | 19:47 |
| jZed__ | well now mod_proxy starts but mod_perl and Spectre still don't | 19:48 |
| jZed__ | allright, I manually created /data/wre/etc and /data/wre/prereqs/apache/logs which weren't there and now at least I have logs to look at | 20:00 |
| jZed__ | so I see this in modperl.error.log: | 20:01 |
| jZed__ | Cannot load /data/wre/prereqs/apache/modules/mod_apreq2.so into server: libapreq2.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory | 20:01 |
| @preaction | jZed__, sounds like your wre install has a major problem | 20:05 |
| jZed__ | yeah, I've been working on it since yesterday | 20:05 |
| jZed__ | getting frustrated | 20:05 |
| jZed__ | must have run setup 75 times | 20:05 |
| jZed__ | at least now I have apache logs which I didn't before | 20:05 |
| @preaction | which one did you download? | 20:05 |
| jZed__ | 7.1.3-stable | 20:06 |
| @preaction | that's not the WRE | 20:06 |
| jZed__ | oh, just a sec | 20:06 |
| @preaction | there are TWO THINGS. one is the WRE, the other is WebGUI | 20:06 |
| @preaction | i don't care about version, i want to know platform | 20:06 |
| jZed__ | oh debian | 20:06 |
| jZed__ | yes, I understand about the two things now | 20:07 |
| jZed__ | wre is just the other apps and an install script | 20:07 |
| @preaction | do you know how to install .deb packages manually? you don't need the WRE, it's just ... more convenient (when it's done) | 20:07 |
| jZed__ | is there a url to get the webgui directly, I can't see that listed anywhere so only way I can get it is via mirror | 20:07 |
| jZed__ | during setup | 20:07 |
| jZed__ | sure I can install debs | 20:08 |
| @preaction | http://www.webgui.org | 20:08 |
| @preaction | are you following the docs/install.txt instructions? | 20:12 |
| jZed__ | yep | 20:12 |
| jZed__ | every step | 20:12 |
| @preaction | you don't have existing apache2 or mysql or otherwise installs? | 20:12 |
| @preaction | you're running setenvironment before you try to start/restart wG? | 20:13 |
| jZed__ | yes I have perl and apache2 and mysql but I made sure to turn them all off | 20:13 |
| jZed__ | yes I'm running setenvironment | 20:13 |
| @preaction | you're root | 20:13 |
| jZed__ | yep | 20:14 |
| @preaction | you could configure your existing installs to work with WebGUI | 20:14 |
| jZed__ | just swap in the conf files? | 20:14 |
| @preaction | http://www.plainblack.com/installing_webgui | 20:15 |
| @preaction | no, i would not do that | 20:15 |
| @preaction | read the link, follow that | 20:15 |
| jZed__ | ok thanks for all your help | 20:15 |
| @preaction | you'll need to apt-get install perl-magick (or something similar) | 20:16 |
| @preaction | there are other dependencies too | 20:16 |
| @preaction | i think they're all covered by the link, but you'll have to find them in APT | 20:16 |
| jZed__ | oh I have all the perl prereqs | 20:17 |
| @preaction | then you'll also need to create an init.d script for spectre | 20:17 |
| @preaction | you may be able to get away with moving the rc.spectre from the WRE into /etc/init.d/, but you may have to look in and edit it | 20:18 |
| jZed__ | ok, I can handle that | 20:18 |
| jZed__ | fortunately, like most perl stuff, difficulty of installation does not necessarily bod difficulty of use, thank god | 20:19 |
| @preaction | that's what the WRE is supposed to fix... but imho it'd be better to provide a .deb that had the appropriate dependencies | 20:22 |
| @preaction | gentoo actually has an emerge version of wG that automatically pulls in dependencies, dunno how it is on setup though | 20:22 |
| jZed__ | well I was wrong about having all the prereqs, I'd thought that installing Catalyst pulled in everything on CPAN, but webgui needs even more | 20:39 |
| jZed__ | but testEnvironment.pl is doing a good job of getting everything | 20:40 |
| jZed__ | grr, my absolute least favorit cpan.pm error : test died because of failure of pod coverage # for kripes sakes let us install even if your pod sucks | 20:59 |
| jZed__ | Graphics::ColorNames | 20:59 |
| +crythias | force install | 21:22 |
| jZed__ | oh sure, did that | 21:22 |
| jZed__ | all the perl stuff eventually installed | 21:22 |
| jZed__ | I've got webgui to start | 21:22 |
| jZed__ | but now i can't seem to get to the admin login | 21:23 |
| jZed__ | it should just point at dev.localhost.localdomain if that's in my domains/.conf | 21:24 |
| jZed__ | hmm, WebGUI starts, I can get to my old apache directories, I can't get to the WebGui directory, must have messed something up in virtual hosts | 21:29 |
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| jZed__ | hrm, closer and closer ... now when I point at the webgui domain dir, I get "Fatal Internal Error" | 21:36 |
| jZed__ | must be some sort of Spectre or WebGui error because it doesn't look like a regular Apache one | 21:36 |
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| jZed__ | w00000000000000000t! | 22:08 |
| jZed__ | webgui is installed, the install from source was much easier than WRE | 22:09 |
| jZed__ | thanks everyone for your help | 22:09 |
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| jZed__ | installation done, configuration next ... hmm it wants css03.css but there is no such file or it can't find it, so I can't see the admin panel etc. cause no CSS unhides it | 22:58 |
| jZed__ | ah no, it's the /extras CSS it can't find, I probably need an alias in apache.conf | 23:04 |
| perlm | did you move the extras to your config instance? | 23:05 |
| jZed__ | no | 23:08 |
| jZed__ | but this fixes it in apache.conf: Alias /extras/ "/data/WebGUI/www/extras/" | 23:08 |
| jZed__ | or should I copy extras into /domains/public? | 23:08 |
| perlm | yeah, that apache.conf edit sounds like a hack | 23:10 |
| jZed__ | the page is very confusing without the css | 23:10 |
| jZed__ | :-) | 23:10 |
| jZed__ | but everything is cool, I have webgui and my old PHP and Mason stuff all running off the same port | 23:11 |
| perlm | your domainname.conf in the /WebGUI/etc dir should have "extrasURL" : "/extras", and "extrasPath" : "/data/WebGUI/www/extras", | 23:11 |
| jZed__ | yep those are there | 23:13 |
| jZed__ | oh well, this works for now | 23:15 |
| perlm | are you using a virtual host? You should have DocumentRoot /data/WebGUI/domains/www.yourdomain.com/public | 23:15 |
| jZed__ | yep | 23:16 |
| perlm | that is strange....../extras should map to /data/WebGUI/domains/www.yourdomain.com/public/extras | 23:16 |
| perlm | without the alias...oh well | 23:16 |
| perlm | holy smokes, I think I just counted 100 individual connections to the server to load an asset configuration page. | 23:20 |
| jZed__ | it wasn't me :-) | 23:41 |
| jZed__ | "You are currently working under a tag called: None"? | 23:46 |
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| @preaction | how does the <tmpl_var controls> parameter get populated? i can't seem to find a single wobject that does it | 04:36 |
| -!- preaction changed the topic of #webgui to: WebGUI (stable: WebGUI 7.1.3) || Need help? Ask and wait patiently (it might take awhile) | 04:43 | |
| +crythia1 | hrm | 05:35 |
| +crythia1 | preaction you still there? | 05:35 |
| * crythia1 is bringin' sexy back. | 05:35 | |
| @preaction | i'm back now, had to make food | 05:48 |
| @preaction | found it... $self->getToolbar | 05:53 |
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| preaction-m | damnit roy, get your ass back here | 05:16 |
| Radix-wrk | You just want his ass? | 05:17 |
| preaction-m | you don't? | 05:17 |
| Radix-wrk | No wait.. don't answer that | 05:17 |
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| Radix-wrk | PB webpages are still broken btw.. - https://www.plainblack.com/install/upgrade_help | 07:37 |
| Radix-wrk | getting a ^AssetProxy(pb-redesign-2006/nav); on the side there | 07:37 |
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| perlm | so what's new at PlainBlack this week? | 17:55 |
| perlm | Does anyone know what this means from my /var/log/webgui.log " WORKFLOW: Response for babWLAT6BW20Qv8869RwbQ was redirected"? | 18:09 |
| ckotil | not entirely. all i can get from it is that a workflow process was redirected | 18:11 |
| perlm | The rest of the message says "This should never happen if configured correctly." | 18:13 |
| ckotil | heh | 18:13 |
| perlm | I'm trying to see if spectre is responding to the default port. | 18:13 |
| ckotil | turn on debug mode | 18:17 |
| perlm | Spectre is responding to the default port just fine. I'm not sure if the problem is in my domain.conf or the spectre.conf. not sure what there is to even change in spectre.cof. | 18:17 |
| perlm | hah, "What port should we connect to WebGUI on?" I'm only running on 443, not 80. | 18:18 |
| ckotil | so you're only running under ssl? | 18:19 |
| perlm | yes | 18:19 |
| ckotil | maybe it needs a non ssl instance | 18:19 |
| ckotil | i dont really know | 18:19 |
| perlm | spectre only takes an ip address to talk to WebGUI. the default host for that IP is not WebGUI. | 18:21 |
| perlm | I might be SOL on this one. | 18:21 |
| perlm | has anyone gotten WebGUI to run in the default Apache host in a subdir to webroot? Or does it have to run in its own Virtual Host? | 18:23 |
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| ckotil | i have gotten it to run at http://newt.grnoc.iu.edu/WebGUI | 19:28 |
| ckotil | heres a goofy bug. I add a new ^FlieUrl(); macro and in firefox if i click on the word FileUrl in the wysiwyg editor , firefox2 crashes | 19:29 |
| ckotil | firefox2 likes to show raw file information rather than loading an image or offering a file to download. | 19:30 |
| ckotil | so i had to go back and add ^FileUrl to a lot of my urls | 19:30 |
| ckotil | daaamn. my webgui::Cache::FileCache is up to 12 megs | 19:31 |
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| jZed__ | ok, here's a pickle ... I put on debug and now when I go into anything on the admin panel (including settings to turn debug off) all I get is the debug output ... no pages; on non-adming stuff it shows both | 21:17 |
| jZed__ | for example the page starts with { "op" : "editSettings" } | 21:19 |
| @preaction | jZed__, you can edit the configuration file manually, but remember to restart apache after you're done | 21:28 |
| @preaction | i'd also file a bug, if you can find the code that's doing it | 21:28 |
| jZed__ | hmm, so c /data/WebGUI/etc/domain-name.conf put "debug" : 0, ? | 21:31 |
| jZed__ | nope, that didn't work | 21:32 |
| @preaction | did you restart apache? | 21:32 |
| jZed__ | yep | 21:33 |
| @preaction | holy crap the Flash Player 9 Beta for Linux actually WORKS | 21:34 |
| jZed__ | cool, I'm blocked from lots of stuff because I don't have 9 | 21:35 |
| ckotil | preaction: yeah | 21:35 |
| jZed__ | is there an easy way to just wipe out a site and start a new one? delete the mysql db and start over? | 21:36 |
| jZed__ | or will I need to replace some directories too? | 21:36 |
| jZed__ | I'm sorry I've got so many questions, but I need to decide in the next day or two whether to use webgui for a really big project (bigger than any I've seen using webgui), and I'd like to at least have it minimally working before I decide :-) | 21:39 |
| @preaction | jZed__, what kind of project? | 21:47 |
| @preaction | and don't sell it short, WebGUI is running some massive stuff already | 21:48 |
| jZed__ | um, it's under NDA, but generally think of MySpace + YouTube + Other stuff | 21:48 |
| ckotil | I just completed a big project, redesigning all of our NOC websites. Now im working to implement customer portal functionality. interfacing with out database of contacts | 21:48 |
| @preaction | Brunswick New Technologies, the US Department of State | 21:48 |
| @preaction | oh, i see... | 21:48 |
| @preaction | umm.... | 21:48 |
| jZed__ | I'm not selling it short, I'm aiming big :-) | 21:48 |
| @preaction | we'll set aside my complete dislike for the entire idea of MySpace and say this: | 21:49 |
| ckotil | would webgui be able to power a site with millions of hits a day? | 21:49 |
| @preaction | when you get it to work with webgui, integrated with webgui's stuff, it will be awesome | 21:49 |
| @preaction | Myspace with versioning? hells yes | 21:49 |
| ckotil | heh | 21:49 |
| @preaction | like most CMS, it's limited only by the computer | 21:50 |
| ckotil | im wondering if the server running webgui would be able to keep up with the requests | 21:50 |
| jZed__ | preaction, I know, I believe that, but I gotta get it working to convince the CEO | 21:50 |
| @preaction | which reminds me, there's a lot of efficiency stuff i want to do, but it'll break API so it'll have to be in 9.x | 21:51 |
| @preaction | anyway | 21:51 |
| jZed__ | so, I now have a totally borked install ... version tags I can't commit because they were locked when spectre quit, the debug stuff that prevents me from doing any admin tasks ... how do I start over? | 21:52 |
| @preaction | if you just re-create the config file and database, you should be fine | 21:52 |
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| perlm | jZed, you ever get things working? | 22:11 |
| jZed__ | yes, I got it installed, my virtual hosts are not quite right but I think I can fix that, I just reinstalled a site that had problems and now I am trying without success to create a first page, I commit the version tag but the page is still in pending and I don't know how to get it out | 22:13 |
| jZed__ | hrmph, spectre.pl --daemon gives Can't use string ("sitename") as a HASH ref while "strict refs" in use at ../lib/WebGUI/Config.pm line 226. | 22:16 |
| @preaction | jZed__, look in the wG config file, is everything kosher? looks like either $self or $self->{_config} got set to a string for some reason | 22:30 |
| @preaction | are you running 7.2? | 22:31 |
| jZed__ | 7.1.3 | 22:31 |
| perlm | My problems are with Spectre not being able to talk with WebGUI either. | 22:31 |
| jZed__ | this is my conf: "sitename" : [ "dev.localhost.localdomain", "localhost.localdomain"], | 22:32 |
| perlm | I wonder why ^AssetProxy started erroring on every page. | 22:36 |
| perlm | WOOOHOOOOOO, spectre just did a commit without throwing an error and requiring me to manually commit! | 22:38 |
| perlm | But what does this mean? Processing failed on macro: ^AssetProxy(style3_coolmenu);: Can't call method "canView" on an undefined value at /usr/share/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Post.pm line 117 | 22:39 |
| @preaction | perlm, look at line 117 of that file, what is it trying to call a method on? | 22:41 |
| perlm | $self->getThread->getParent->canView | 22:41 |
| @preaction | a lot of these error messages that people are getting should have been TESTED FOR (even if at runtime) and reported with more information | 22:41 |
| @preaction | perlm, it means that the post has no parent Thread | 22:41 |
| @preaction | which is probably bad | 22:41 |
| perlm | but this *just* started showing up. And the little icon that appears just at the upper right of the admin bar is no longer there. | 22:42 |
| @preaction | no, wait, it's trying to get the Parent of the Thread, which should be the Collaboration System | 22:45 |
| @preaction | meaning there's a CS that doesn't exist, have you deleted one recently? have you deleted anything recently? | 22:45 |
| perlm | yes | 22:45 |
| perlm | lots and lots | 22:45 |
| perlm | I've been adding assets and blowing them away left and right.....mostly with the spectre auto-commit broken and me commiting things manually. | 22:46 |
| perlm | I'm trying to do a rollback to the clean install, but clicking rollback does nothing. | 22:46 |
| jZed__ | I did that by deleting and reinstalling the mysql database | 22:47 |
| jZed__ | and then restarting apache | 22:47 |
| perlm | yeah, I shoudl do that.....can't remember how to recreate the database. | 22:47 |
| @preaction | rollback doesn't seem to work as described, it's more a "delete this version tag and this version tag only" | 22:48 |
| @preaction | instead of "delete all version tags that occured after this version tag", as I would expect | 22:48 |
| perlm | it won't even rollback just the latest version. | 22:48 |
| perlm | worse, nothing is written to the log saying what went wrong. | 22:49 |
| @preaction | crapbeans | 22:49 |
| @preaction | nothing in modperl error log either? | 22:49 |
| perlm | j/s I'll check | 22:49 |
| perlm | nope | 22:50 |
| perlm | unless mod_perl logs are written somewhere besides the normal apache logs | 22:50 |
| @preaction | no, they shouldn't | 22:50 |
| perlm | I see the message coming in for spectre, but no action. | 22:51 |
| jZed__ | well I am stuck with spectre.pl --daemon returning Can't use string ("sitename") as a HASH ref while "strict refs" in use at ../lib/WebGUI/Config.pm line 224. | 22:53 |
| jZed__ | I tried putting in a hard-coded $self->{_config} and that just led to other errors :-( | 22:53 |
| perlm | by connecting on 80 instead of 443 I got it to rollback. I've rolled back to the initial install and am still getting that error. | 22:54 |
| jZed__ | duh, the light dawns, lol, perm = perlmonkey2 :-) | 22:54 |
| jZed__ | s/perm/perlm/ | 22:55 |
| perlm | heh, yep | 22:55 |
| jZed__ | it was port 443 that gave you away :-) | 22:55 |
| jZed__ | dang, I had spectre.pl working at least some of the time the other day, I wonder why it won't start? | 22:56 |
| perlm | I'd recopy the config file and start over because it sounds like some text got munged somewhere. | 22:57 |
| jZed__ | the odd thing is it finds the config for the ip and port and only later bombs on the sitename | 23:00 |
| perlm | okay, I'm upgrading to 7.2 just because I can't remember if I have 1.2 or 1.3 and I need to rebuild the db :P | 23:01 |
| jZed__ | ok, I'm nearing the end of my rope, two full days and I still have not been able to create a single page using webgui | 23:06 |
| perlm | it is pretty slick if you can get around the rough edges...... | 23:20 |
| jZed__ | I hope to get there, but doubting it sometimes | 23:20 |
| perlm | course, now I can't get apache with 7.2 installed to start | 23:21 |
| perlm | I don't remember this from the 7.1.2 install "[error] Can't locate WebGUI.pm in @INC " | 23:25 |
| perlm | that is from my httpd logs. | 23:25 |
| @preaction | perlm, that one's easy: you need to fix your PATH for apache, usually setenv PERL5LIB will do it | 23:26 |
| jZed__ | w00t, success | 23:27 |
| @preaction | and of course, pb's spectre just finally spat out the support requests for today... i swear to god... | 23:27 |
| @preaction | so at 3:30pm i finally get all the support requests for the weekend and today... wtf... | 23:27 |
| jZed__ | was missing curly braces around the dev_local... config section | 23:27 |
| jZed__ | so the JSON bombed | 23:27 |
| @preaction | yeah... i'm not liking JSON, should've used INI or Yaml for the configuration | 23:27 |
| jZed__ | well, Config.pm needs a check to make sure JsontoObj() returns an object and complains about bad JSON right there rather than passing a non-object to the requesting routine | 23:28 |
| jZed__ | want a patch? | 23:29 |
| jZed__ | put this after line 343 in Config.pm : Can't use string ("sitename") as a HASH ref while "strict refs" in use at ../lib/WebGUI/Config.pm line 224. | 23:33 |
| jZed__ | er, I mean this: die "Can't parse JSON in '$filename'\n" unless ref $con\f; | 23:33 |
| jZed__ | that's just sloppy error catching, a proper error would have told me where to look right away | 23:34 |
| jZed__ | # of course I've done such sloppy things myself too ... | 23:34 |
| @preaction | jZed__, i completely agree, most of my "tests" that i'm required to write have been neglected for better error handling | 23:34 |
| @preaction | the current ErrorHandler thing is horrible (when Carp would give me more functionality, and eval {} would let me pick and choose what to catch) | 23:35 |
| jZed__ | yeah I threw in some Carps to debug | 23:36 |
| @preaction | i'll leave a note to add that error | 23:36 |
| jZed__ | thanks | 23:36 |
| perlm | Somewhere something is telling apache to add /data/WebGUI to @ISA and my WebGUI is in /usr/share/WebGUI | 23:38 |
| jZed__ | I made a symlink from /data to /usr/share/webgui and put WebGUI in that | 23:39 |
| perlm | I had it fine for 7.1.3 | 23:40 |
| perlm | I just missed something in the config files | 23:40 |
| jZed__ | how do you unlock a version? | 23:40 |
| perlm | commit it? | 23:42 |
| @preaction | perlm, grep for "/data/WebGUI" in lib, maybe there's something explicit in there, which would be bad | 23:42 |
| jZed__ | I'm Admin, I made a collab sys, committed it, it did not show up anywhere except in pending versions, i go there and view it and it is locked | 23:42 |
| @preaction | that would be bug-worthy | 23:42 |
| @preaction | jZed__, spectre isn't running probably :( | 23:42 |
| jZed__ | that's what I thought but ps -elf shows it | 23:43 |
| @preaction | kill it, run spectre with the --run --debug flags, and see if there's an error or something | 23:43 |
| @preaction | maybe pipe it through tee so you can get a log of it as well | 23:44 |
| perlm | precation, that was a good idea. preload.pl had /data/WebGUI hardcoded. | 23:45 |
| @preaction | that's a bug in my opinion, please submit it, but be warned that JT might not consider it a bug | 23:46 |
| @preaction | or, search the dev forums | 23:46 |
| @preaction | maybe it has a reason why that's like that | 23:46 |
| perlm | hardcoding paths are not really a great idea for enterprise software. | 23:46 |
| jZed__ | Respons H_Y... retrieved successfully ... Got an error response for for H_Y... | 23:47 |
| jZed__ | hmm, starting it up again after that and the page is unlocked | 23:47 |
| perlm | now I'm getting weird Log::Log4perl::Appender::log errors :( | 23:50 |
| @preaction | spectre just annoys the hell out of me sometimes... | 23:50 |
| perlm | on some pages I'm logged out, but others I'm logged in. | 23:51 |
| @preaction | browser cache | 23:54 |
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| perlm | Hah, just saw WebGUI uses yahoo's AJAX library. Nice. After much looking and playing with, I decided Yahoo's was the most appropriate also. | 03:24 |
| Radix-wrk | they did a review of a number of the libraries out there - I saw the discussion on it in the dev channel | 03:44 |
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| Radix-wrk | http://www.plainblack.com/webgui/dev/discuss/javascript-apis | 03:47 |
| perlm | reading the review now | 04:29 |
| perlm | Yeah, JT's arguements for YUI sound a lot like my own, although besides YUI I had only done anthing enterprise level with Scriptaculous/Prototype. | 04:36 |
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| @preaction | it's 2:00am, i have to be up at 9:00am for another day of support, and I only got 4 hours of sleep last night... | 10:19 |
| @preaction | how do I survive? | 10:19 |
| @preaction | and why am i still hanging out in the ubuntu channel? | 10:22 |
| Radix-wrk | Good questions | 10:27 |
| @preaction | and let it henceforth be known that I am sick and tired of the HttpProxy Wobject... | 10:34 |
| Radix-wrk | hehe | 10:42 |
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| perlm | any word on how Zjed's new install is working out for him? | 19:22 |
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| @preaction | perlm, none since yesterday | 20:04 |
| perlm | I talked to him. He loves it. | 20:26 |
| perlm | "cat's pajamas" is what he said. | 20:27 |
| perlm | Does WebGUI have Template::Toolkit2 support? | 20:28 |
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| ckotil | Can I run a cgi upload file script under webgui? | 20:28 |
| perlm | I think there are a couple of built in Assets for doing that. | 20:29 |
| ckotil | We have these weekly reports that are uploaded to the server then a cronjob script generates an html file of all the weekly reports. And i just http proxy that generated html page. | 20:29 |
| perlm | But writing your own custom upload asset shouldn't be hard. | 20:29 |
| ckotil | hrm | 20:29 |
| ckotil | intneresting | 20:29 |
| ckotil | i did start looking at creating my own assets | 20:30 |
| ckotil | ive created a couple pretty bare bone assets that didnt do squat but display some random text | 20:30 |
| ckotil | i was hoping i could use a snippet asset and paste the cgi script into that and have it execute no problem. | 20:31 |
| perlm | but you want your cronjob to LWP post the report to a WebGUI asset? | 20:31 |
| ckotil | nah it will just cronjob an external html page | 20:31 |
| ckotil | and webgui will http proxy it in | 20:31 |
| perlm | how is that working for you? | 20:32 |
| ckotil | http://www.abilene.iu.edu/abilene/support/weekly-reporting.html | 20:33 |
| ckotil | great | 20:33 |
| perlm | I'm pretty new to WebGUI myself and am only running it at a test server at my house, but I have the design guys playing with it and will probably be moving all our stuff to WebGUI. | 20:37 |
| ckotil | Ive been using it for 4 months now | 20:40 |
| ckotil | i love it | 20:40 |
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| perlm | I'm trying to figure out how you were going to use a CGI script inside of a snippet asset? Can snippets be executed? The help says only JS and markup are allowed. | 20:49 |
| ckotil | yeah :/ i dunno either | 20:49 |
| ckotil | looks like i gotta create a custom asset | 20:49 |
| ckotil | fuck | 20:49 |
| perlm | if your weekly reports are in a DB, couldn't you use the WebGUI form builder asset? | 20:50 |
| ckotil | yeah. | 20:52 |
| ckotil | pretty easily too | 20:52 |
| perlm | SQL Report asset looks like jsut what you need. | 20:54 |
| perlm | and just a few underneath is the Survey asset.......thank the gods, I'll never have to write another stupid survey webapp! | 20:54 |
| ckotil | heh | 20:55 |
| ckotil | hrm.. so you're saying store the files in the db? | 20:55 |
| ckotil | interesting. | 20:55 |
| perlm | BLOBs are meant to be used :P | 20:55 |
| @preaction | perlm, i believe there are plugins for TT, dunno about TT2 | 20:56 |
| perlm | preaction, what is the default templating tool? | 20:56 |
| @preaction | HTML::Template | 20:56 |
| ckotil | good call perlm | 20:57 |
| @preaction | ckotil, you could also use the HttpProxy module, set up an apache or tinyhttpd instance to run your cgi scripts, and get the CGI output in that manner | 20:58 |
| ckotil | im doing that now. | 20:58 |
| ckotil | how can i secure access to the upload.cgi script | 20:58 |
| @preaction | perhaps there should be an "Exec" asset that could execute a command, translating URL params into command-line params | 20:58 |
| perlm | I'm starting to daydream all sorts of cool things with WebGUI. I wonder how long it would take me to port my survey's directly into the WebGUI DB. Just write to the DB and skip the WebGUI front end. | 20:58 |
| ckotil | exec would be cool | 20:59 |
| perlm | yeah, and maybe it could eval{} user entered data :P | 20:59 |
| @preaction | ckotil, secure? you could make sure that the referer was correct | 20:59 |
| @preaction | Exec would be able to execute "perl script.pl --options", no need for eval {} | 21:00 |
| @preaction | eval would be far harder to secure | 21:00 |
| ckotil | ok. that thoguht did cross my mind, but i dismissed it bc i dunno how to check the referer. how would i check to see that the referer is in fact the webgui page? | 21:00 |
| @preaction | a CGI script is passed the HTTP headers in the environment, one should be HTTP_REFERER | 21:00 |
| @preaction | you could ensure that the httpd you're running only accepts connections from localhost | 21:01 |
| @preaction | in fact, i would definately make sure of that | 21:01 |
| ckotil | ok. | 21:01 |
| ckotil | btw. im not running the wre so im jsut gonna use the same apache instance | 21:01 |
| @preaction | you'll want to make a vhost then | 21:01 |
| ckotil | ok | 21:01 |
| ckotil | ive got a bunch setup. | 21:01 |
| @preaction | and if the name isn't resolvable outside your server, you have no problem | 21:01 |
| ckotil | ah. good idea | 21:02 |
| @preaction | i mean, it'd be weird to see http://localhost and have it work, but work it would | 21:02 |
| ckotil | its an internal tool. so no big deal | 21:03 |
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| ckotil | in my custom wobject i created a form in the template. how do i process this form in the wobject? | 22:03 |
| ckotil | eh. i think i see it | 22:04 |
| perlm | I regularly fake the Referer in HTML headers. Using that as any part of the security isn't a good idea. | 22:18 |
| perlm | isn't the form submitted with each field name a hash key of the wobject? | 22:22 |
| ckotil | yeah sysadmins told me not to check referer. big risk there | 22:29 |
| ckotil | so im trying to create a custom wobject. | 22:29 |
| ckotil | and i have the form created in the template for my custom wobject. | 22:29 |
| ckotil | but i dunno where to even begin processing the form. | 22:29 |
| ckotil | its gotta be somewhere in sub view | 22:29 |
| perlm | Asset.pm, 2137 lines of code. Yeah, not gonna be easy to figure this out. | 23:05 |
| perlm | Looks like processPropertiesFromFormPost is the Asset.pm sub that processes form Posts. | 23:10 |
| perlm | looks like the default functionality of processPropertiesFromFormPost is to simply put each parameter that was Posted into the database. | 23:14 |
| perlm | This code is good stuff. | 23:15 |
| perlm | but you dont' have to call SUPER in your own asset. Looks like you can do whatever you want. | 23:16 |
| perlm | I dig it...... | 23:16 |
| ckotil | in the wobject tutorial it seems that they use template variables to process the form. | 23:28 |
| ckotil | i dunno. im heading home. cya tomorrow | 23:28 |
| perlm | hasta | 23:32 |
| perlm | oh...you meant process the template, not process the post. yeah, that was all magically calls to other mod's that I haven't looked at yet. | 23:33 |
| perlm | s/magically/magical/ | 23:33 |
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| perlm | I wonder if httpproxy can be made to understand IRC? | 01:18 |
| @preaction | IRC is an interactive, stateful protocol | 01:25 |
| @preaction | http is not | 01:25 |
| @preaction | don't ask me how CGI::IRC works, i don't understand a lick of it | 01:25 |
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| perlm | when you said you worked at walmart, did you mean a store, or Bentonville? | 01:34 |
| @preaction | a store | 01:55 |
| @preaction | as an unloader | 01:55 |
| @preaction | on the GM side, so not stacked nicely on pallets, packed full into the truck | 01:55 |
| @preaction | probably the hardest job in the store | 01:55 |
| @preaction | no... definately the hardest job in the store... maintenance got more respect than unloading | 01:56 |
| perlm | I used to work a trucking dock and have some sympathy for poorly packed trailers. | 02:10 |
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| @preaction | exactly... the mofos i swear would put the long-thin boxes on top, and then a box of ammunition or something on top of that, so when you pull down the long-thin one... | 02:14 |
| @preaction | if you weren't quick, you were lucky to wake up in a couple hours | 02:14 |
| @preaction | by the end of the night i'll have a working calendar, with simple events and simple views. i've got three days to add: Search, iCalendar feeds (both in and out), Event Recurrence, and Subscriptions | 02:35 |
| @preaction | who'll bet against me? 5:4 odds | 02:35 |
| perlm | holy crap | 02:38 |
| perlm | I'm sure it will be finished in time. But I'm thinking the real odds will be in the bug count. | 02:38 |
| Radix-wrk | I bet it'll be buggy ;) | 02:38 |
| perlm | hahahahaha | 02:38 |
| Radix-wrk | lol | 02:38 |
| perlm | great minds..... | 02:38 |
| @preaction | bah, screw you guys | 02:39 |
| perlm | :D | 02:39 |
| Radix-wrk | lol | 02:39 |
| @preaction | of course it's going to be buggy :p they give me a week to do this and they expect quality? | 02:39 |
| perlm | If you need a tester or anyone to do some grunt work, give me a yell | 02:39 |
| @preaction | if i had a web-facing test site i'd definately yell, but ... it would take me 10 minutes to set one up :p | 02:39 |
| perlm | Yeah, that WebGUI, once you know what you are doing it takes minutes, I tell you whole minutes, to set up. | 02:40 |
| @preaction | perlbot host IP commctrl.com | 02:43 |
| perlbot | Sorry, type ip isn't allowed. It might take up too much space here, or may be unsupported. Allowed types are: a aaaa ptr mx ns cname | 02:43 |
| @preaction | perlbot host commctrl.com | 02:43 |
| @preaction | perlbot host acommctrl.com | 02:43 |
| @preaction | perlbot host a commctrl.com | 02:43 |
| perlbot | commctrl.com has address 72.1.4.143 | 02:43 |
| @preaction | perlbot hate | 02:43 |
| perlbot | sometimes I hate people. but then i realise it's because I hate a person, and I don't want to hate that person, so I spread it out over all humanity | 02:43 |
| @preaction | perlbot emo? | 02:43 |
| perlm | perlbot help | 02:45 |
| perlbot | (fact)::tell (who) about (what)::(what) > (who)::learn (what) as (info)::relearn (fact) as (info)::phone (phone number)::shorten (url)::shorten it::search (module)::docs (module)::perldoc -f (function)::jargon (term)::math::fortune::flip::host (type) (record)::rot13::roll (die)::tempconv (temp)::scramble (foo)::8ball::slap::diss::what time is it::top/bottom (number) karma::geoip (ip) | 02:45 |
| perlm | fun | 02:45 |
| perlm | perlbot WWW::Mechanzie::docs | 02:45 |
| perlm | perlbot WWW::Mechanize::docs | 02:45 |
| perlm | perlbot WWW::Mechanize::perldoc | 02:45 |
| @preaction | perlbot cpan WWW::Mechanize | 02:46 |
| perlbot | Documentation for 'WWW::Mechanize' can be found here: http://xrl.us/s9mr | 02:46 |
| perlm | how cool is that | 02:46 |
| @preaction | perlbot perldoc WWW::Mechanize | 02:46 |
| perlbot | Documentation for 'WWW::Mechanize' can be found here: http://xrl.us/s9mr | 02:46 |
| @preaction | perlbot -f split | 02:47 |
| @preaction | perlbot perldoc -f split | 02:47 |
| perlbot | Documentation for 'split' can be found here: http://snipurl.com/7ket | 02:47 |
| perlbot | Documentation for '-f split' can be found here: http://snipurl.com/127ln | 02:47 |
| @preaction | it's been a while since i've been able to play with perlbot | 02:47 |
| @preaction | i do like how he rotates his URL shorten sites | 02:47 |
| perlm | she's like a little sidekick quickly fetching things you often need. | 02:48 |
| @preaction | i also like how the URLs point to perldoc.com, which is dead | 02:48 |
| @preaction | perlbot perlfunc | 02:49 |
| perlbot | Perl builtin functions - http://www.perldoc.com/perl5.8.0/pod/perlfunc.html | 02:49 |
| @preaction | damnit | 02:49 |
| perlm | oh man....the wre has an automagic version updater..... | 03:07 |
| perlm | sweet | 03:07 |
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| preaction-m | perlbot <3 | 04:07 |
| perlbot | bullshit, I'm way more than 3 | 04:07 |
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| perlm | perlbot > 100 | 05:42 |
| perlm | perlbot >100 | 05:42 |
| preaction-m | <3 looks like a heart | 05:44 |
| preaction-m | given a day of the week, and a specified first day of the week, how would you find what position the day of the week falls on | 05:46 |
| preaction-m | say the Fdow is 0 (sunday), and the dow is 1 (monday), the position would be 1 | 05:46 |
| preaction-m | say the Fdow is 3 (Wednesday), and the dow is 1 (monday), the position would be 6 | 05:47 |
| preaction-m | er.. i lied, the first position would be 2, not 1 | 05:47 |
| preaction-m | 1 if it's 0-based | 05:47 |
| preaction-m | the second would be 5 if zero based | 05:47 |
| preaction-m | if the dow is less than the Fdow, add 7 to the dow. then subtract the Fdow from the dow to get position... | 05:48 |
| preaction-m | there must be something better... | 05:49 |
| Radix-wrk | why use zero based.. it's totally non-intuitive to the end user of they ever have to deal with it | 05:53 |
| preaction-m | the end user will never have to deal with it | 05:54 |
| Radix-wrk | k | 05:54 |
| preaction-m | and it doesn't work without 0-based, i've tried using 7 for sunday... it doesn't work | 05:54 |
| preaction-m | it's just this algorithm that needs it | 05:54 |
| Radix-wrk | well traditional unix way was 0 and 7 for sunday.. | 05:54 |
| Radix-wrk | it didn't matter what your 'first day of the week was' | 05:55 |
| preaction-m | i use % to have 7 turn out to be 0 | 05:55 |
| preaction-m | right, it's just wG already has a "First Day of the Week" user Profile Field, so i have to provide this functionality | 05:55 |
| preaction-m | it's annoying the piss out of me right now | 05:55 |
| preaction-m | hell, i'm developing under the assumption that Fdow is 0, and i can't get it right... | 05:58 |
| perlm | dang....I did this in college......there is a very elegant trick to finding days of the month. | 06:01 |
| preaction-m | shit, it's not the dow position i've screwed up, it's the week number | 06:01 |
| perlm | I haven't been able to find this in the docs, but what is the difference between an Asset and a WObject. I know a WObject subclasses an Asset, but how do they differ in function? | 06:09 |
| preaction-m | Wobjects have more built-in stuff | 06:10 |
| preaction-m | look at the definitions | 06:10 |
| preaction-m | each level pushes a new set of properties onto the definition | 06:10 |
| preaction-m | basically, subclass an Asset if you want to do more work | 06:11 |
| preaction-m | or if you want it to be leaner | 06:11 |
| perlm | I kinda got the impression that Asset's are generalized objects that should always be subclassed by a WObject. | 06:11 |
| preaction-m | the new Event is an Asset subclass, but the Calendar itself is a Wobject | 06:11 |
| preaction-m | Assets are (imho) generic pieces that can be moved around. a Wobject is an actual application that can use Assets if necessary | 06:12 |
| perlm | cool, that was what I kind of guessed. | 06:12 |
| preaction-m | you could just use Wobjects all the time, i'm sure (but then again, this is something that only the vets know, and i'm not one of them) | 06:13 |
| perlm | I was thinking I'd only write my own Asset if I had some functionality that I wanted several WObjects to inherit. | 06:13 |
| perlm | For instance, I'm eventually going to need something that can display trees of data. That might make for an Asset. | 06:14 |
| preaction-m | i'd think more of a wobject. trees of data or trees of assets? | 06:15 |
| preaction-m | why not an SQLReport? | 06:16 |
| perlm | Maybe I can lift some code from SQLReport, but the data being shown, won't come from a database, but a webservice. | 06:16 |
| Radix-wrk | can't use the webservice object? | 06:17 |
| perlm | will the webservice object show the data in tree format? or......I bet I can write a custom template for it. | 06:17 |
| Radix-wrk | a template for it would be the way to go | 06:18 |
| perlm | wow.......it will be crazy if I end up not even having to write one Asset. | 06:19 |
| perlm | I'll have to sign over my first born to JT or something. | 06:19 |
| Radix-wrk | wasn't that already in the license agreement? | 06:19 |
| Radix-wrk | 2.9.14 All firstborn shall hereforth be named JT and should be owned subsidiaries of Plainblack LLC Inc. | 06:20 |
| perlm | hahaha | 06:21 |
| Radix-wrk | The whole idea of WebGUI is that you shouldn't need to deal with any code though :) It's still getting there in practice for some things, but we've been pretty pleased with it out of the box and not needed to write anything but fancy templates :) | 06:21 |
| Radix-wrk | Feel free to fix any bugs you find or extend what's there for the rest of us tho! :) | 06:22 |
| perlm | Hopefully I'll be able to contribute back to the community. This is like being given a commercial enterprise portal for free (and lives up to the PR). | 06:23 |
| Radix-wrk | I'd love to try writing a wObject myself some time.. but to be honest I have no idea what to code or where to start. (perl newbie too) | 06:25 |
| Radix-wrk | Actually.. I do know where to start | 06:27 |
| perlm | It looks complicated at first until you realize that most of the code is an automated channel for moving data to and from the database. I think I'll try writing my own WObject that uses a custom template just to get my feet wet. | 06:27 |
| perlm | where? | 06:27 |
| Radix-wrk | with the wobject skeleton :) | 06:28 |
| perlm | heh | 06:28 |
| Radix-wrk | I have the pdf from the Webgui User Conference on writing wobjects too :) | 06:28 |
| perlm | There is a pdf about building WObjects online, but my doc viewer doesn't show the code very well. | 06:29 |
| Radix-wrk | Wobjects are also Assets, Assets are more flexible, Wobjects provide more utility methods | 06:29 |
| Radix-wrk | Assets don't usually have a style wrapper, or they do something custom for their style wrapper | 06:29 |
| Radix-wrk | that's out of the pdf I have here.. Assets vs Wobjects | 06:30 |
| perlm | I don't think that one is online | 06:31 |
| Radix-wrk | probably not - the WUC was only a couple of months ago | 06:32 |
| preaction-m | actually the skeleton needs to be updated... :( | 06:34 |
| preaction-m | at least, it's never worked for me out of the box, after substituting my Wobject name in the appropriate places | 06:34 |
| perlm | is there another WObject I can copy that is a pretty good example? | 06:34 |
| preaction-m | always weird things going on | 06:34 |
| preaction-m | they're all in varying states of update, but you are best with the skeleton | 06:35 |
| preaction-m | if you can, keep track of the error messages you get, they probably need to be better | 06:35 |
| preaction-m | the utility classes should give a full caller trace | 06:36 |
| preaction-m | but they don't :( | 06:36 |
| perlm | Where are the templates stored? | 06:36 |
| preaction-m | templates are assets | 06:36 |
| Radix-wrk | anywhere | 06:36 |
| preaction-m | there are pros and cons to that, of course, but for wG purposes, it works wonderfully | 06:37 |
| Radix-wrk | you can't usually add them through new content sidebar, but from the asset manager you can | 06:38 |
| preaction-m | oh, and my first dow code works great now. i rule | 06:38 |
| perlm | Nice...congrats | 06:38 |
| Radix-wrk | cool | 06:38 |
| perlm | I see....Content Sidebar->Assets then way at the bottom is a template choice. | 06:39 |
| preaction-m | make sure to fill in the template namespace you put in your new wobject's definition | 06:43 |
| perlm | I'm not sure I'm going to be able to tie the XML response from a webservice into a template's variables. | 06:44 |
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| preaction-m | why not? | 06:46 |
| perlm | Does the webservice Wobject allow me to do that? | 06:47 |
| preaction-m | never tried it | 06:49 |
| preaction-m | use the source, luke | 06:49 |
| perlm | Wow, I can embed macros in the "Web Services Client Template" to handle the responses. | 06:49 |
| perlm | cool beyond words. | 06:50 |
| perlm | WebGUI is making me obsolete. | 06:50 |
| perlm | Okay, I'm outy. g'night | 06:55 |
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| -!- preaction-m changed the topic of #webgui to: WebGUI (stable: 7.1.3; beta: 7.2.0) || Need help? Ask and wait patiently (it might take awhile) | 06:55 | |
| Radix-wrk | nite | 06:55 |
| preaction-m | tomorrow is 7.2.1, no? | 06:55 |
| Radix-wrk | yeah | 06:55 |
| Radix-wrk | Wed night for you guys.. thursday morning for me :) | 06:56 |
| preaction-m | now's where I wish I had taken discrete math in college | 08:52 |
| preaction-m | Given an event with a start and an end, and a time period to search for, how can you tell if the event occurs during the time period? :p | 08:53 |
| preaction-m | hit detection... if any of the start/end times are contained by the opposing start/end times, it's occuring | 08:54 |
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| Jiggie | yooo | 17:37 |
| ckotil | mmmm mod_rewrite how i love thee | 17:58 |
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| bipolar | I'm here to humbly ask for assistance with my webgui install. My server is running Debian Sarge (stable) w/ Apache2. When I try to start Spectre I get the following error: | 20:02 |
| bipolar | # Can't locate object method "get" via package "POE::Filter::HTTPHead_Line" at /usr/share/perl5/POE/Filter/Stackable.pm line 39. | 20:02 |
| bipolar | (in cleanup) Can't call method "free" on an undefined value at /usr/share/perl5/POE/Component/Connection/Keepalive.pm line 44 during global destruction. | 20:02 |
| bipolar | I've googled and searched the webgui forums for all parts of that error with no luck. | 20:02 |
| bipolar | I'm using the libpoe packages from http://deb.cyberdiscordia.org\ | 20:03 |
| bipolar | The Webgui install is from source. | 20:04 |
| bipolar | version 7.1.2 | 20:04 |
| @preaction | bipolar, use cpan to try to update that module | 20:09 |
| bipolar | preaction: ok. I'll try that. give me some time, I'm not overly familure with CPAN. :) | 20:10 |
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| bipolar | preaction: that did it! thanks! | 20:32 |
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| maxscience | hey | 21:00 |
| maxscience | did you played a bit with Plone? | 21:00 |
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| ckotil | we considered plone. | 21:20 |
| ckotil | How do I export my site to /WebGUI/www/export ? | 21:33 |
| ckotil | as static .html | 21:33 |
| maxscience | and why you chose WebGUI over Plone? | 21:34 |
| jZed | I chose it because it's Perl not Python :-) | 21:36 |
| maxscience | and? :) | 21:36 |
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| maxscience | why you prefer Perl over Python? :) | 21:37 |
| jZed | and I'm a perl hacker, not a python hacker | 21:37 |
| maxscience | oh ok | 21:37 |
| jZed | 14 years of coding perl may have something to do with it :-) | 21:37 |
| ckotil | WebGUI offered better access control | 21:39 |
| ckotil | and pluggable authentication. | 21:39 |
| ckotil | we use a university wide system called CAS | 21:39 |
| maxscience | but python is much more easier, efficient, faster to code, etc. etc. | 21:39 |
| ckotil | terrible error output tho | 21:39 |
| maxscience | I also chose WebGUI... But now I checked again Plone since sometime and boy it is cool | 21:39 |
| jZed | not faster for me to code, not easier for me, more efficient? dunno about that | 21:40 |
| bipolar | is there any way to re-initalize the admin user and give that user access to everything? I seem to have a borked site that denies access to some things. | 21:40 |
| jZed | what does plone have that webgui doesn't? | 21:40 |
| maxscience | far better UI to start | 21:40 |
| maxscience | much easier installation and admin | 21:41 |
| jZed | bipolar ... maybe set the UI prefs to 9guru? | 21:41 |
| jZed | I hear you on all those points maxscience | 21:41 |
| +crythias | plone/zope rocks. | 21:41 |
| maxscience | I am 9 guru :) I'm talking about UI usability, responsiveness, compatibility, and COOLNESS | 21:42 |
| +crythias | but I liked WebGUI's end user stuff and draggable content. | 21:42 |
| maxscience | whatever... Draggable content doesn't work on my favourite browser :D | 21:42 |
| +crythias | maxscience: jZed was talking to bipolar :) | 21:42 |
| maxscience | oh yeah sry :P | 21:42 |
| jZed | what I need is ability to define multiple users with multiple sites and rich auth and perms | 21:42 |
| +crythias | yeah, see that's where plone is good.. it has user heirarchy. | 21:43 |
| maxscience | what do you mean by "define multiple users with multiple sites"? | 21:43 |
| maxscience | you're an ISP offering WebGUI hostin? | 21:43 |
| bipolar | jZed: I don't understand.... in Settings-> UI? | 21:43 |
| jZed | no, it's a community with hosting provided to members but like an ISP host in some ways | 21:44 |
| jZed | um, yeah, I think so bipolar | 21:45 |
| maxscience | nice.. You have some heavy custom coding to auto-generate sites, etc.? | 21:45 |
| jZed | I'm just getting started, but that's the general idea | 21:45 |
| maxscience | So you don't have a working site yet | 21:45 |
| jZed | nope, only installed my first webgui yesterday | 21:46 |
| jZed | but I have a team and I think we've decided on webgui, so the fun begins | 21:46 |
| bipolar | jZed: I don't see anything like that in settings->ui :\ | 21:46 |
| +crythias | no, it's user settings. | 21:47 |
| ckotil | How do I export my site to /WebGUI/www/export ? | 21:47 |
| maxscience | I hope you'll be sharing your stuff with the community... Another thing WebGUI is lacking badly is the Community... WebGUI contributions are ver very rare, Zope contributions are dozens a day | 21:47 |
| +crythias | ckotil: if it's turned on in conf, admin on should show export. | 21:47 |
| maxscience | almost :P | 21:47 |
| ckotil | ah. k thx. i know i enabled it in the conf | 21:47 |
| maxscience | I mean Plone | 21:48 |
| jZed | I hear you about the community | 21:48 |
| maxscience | and what is really annoying is that plainblack staff doesn't really like to have feedback | 21:49 |
| +crythias | yeah. that guy crythias.. who knows when he's going to post, and he never ever posts anything that works. oh. hey.... | 21:49 |
| jZed | hmm, preaction has been really helpful to me and has fed back some minor suggestions I made | 21:50 |
| maxscience | ahah nah crythias I didn't forget ya. But you're a rare guy in the WebGUI community, that's what I meann | 21:50 |
| ckotil | i wish the forums were better archived at plainblack.com | 21:50 |
| ckotil | however the plainblack support forum is very helpful | 21:50 |
| ckotil | sure....$500 / year helpful | 21:50 |
| +crythias | it's ok. I'm rather terse and impatient, so I do understand as well. | 21:50 |
| jZed | how would you compare the scalability of plone and webgui ... for really heavy traffic | 21:52 |
| preaction-m | maxscience: where did you get that conclusion, pb doesn't like feedback? that's what the dev forum is for | 21:53 |
| preaction-m | though, because nobody else from pb staff is here, i can say i was told NOT to seek community feedback on the calendar rewrite, since it's being mostly funded by a client | 21:53 |
| preaction-m | with that being said, i've got my web-facing dev site operational, and when i feel comfortable (probably by tomorrow morning), i plan to take a few people up on their offer of help testing | 21:54 |
| jZed | preaction++ | 21:55 |
| preaction-m | i was surprised as well, the pb site says there's a #webgui on freenode and efnet, and i got here and there was basically nobody | 21:55 |
| preaction-m | radix and cryth, roy and one or two others from the last WUC | 21:56 |
| preaction-m | i inquired about the efnet one, it's gone. | 21:56 |
| preaction-m | what should've happened is JT should've agreed to my request to branch for this calendar, so people can check out what i'm doing. but c'est la vie. | 21:57 |
| preaction-m | trifle not in the affairs of hackers, for they are subtle and quick to temper | 21:58 |
| preaction-m | perlbot karma preaction | 21:58 |
| perlbot | preaction doesn't have any karma | 21:58 |
| preaction-m | damnit... | 21:58 |
| * preaction-m & work | 21:58 | |
| bipolar | crythias: When I click on a user in 'Admin Console -> Users' I get a long delay, then I get returned to the homepage and the log says: | 22:01 |
| bipolar | 2006/11/15 14:49:23 - FATAL - securityservicecompany.com.conf - Log::Log4perl::Appender::log[182] - Couldn't execute prepared statement: SELECT u.userId AS userId, a1.fieldData AS ldapConnection FROM users AS u INNER JOIN authentication AS a1 ON u.userId = a1.userId WHERE a1.fieldName = 'ldapConnection' AND u.authMethod = 'LDAP' ORDER BY ldapConnection, userId LIMIT ?,18446744073709551615 : With place holders: 0. Root cause: You have an error in | 22:01 |
| bipolar | your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near ''0',18446744073709551615' at line 1 | 22:01 |
| bipolar | 2006/11/15 14:49:24 - ERROR - securityservicecompany.com.conf - Log::Log4perl::Layout::PatternLayout::render[[undef]] - Couldn't execute operation : WebGUI::Operation::Workflow::www_runWorkflow. Root cause: ModPerl::Util::exit: (120000) exit was called at /usr/local/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Session/ErrorHandler.pm line 217 | 22:01 |
| perlm | Plone comes in Fedora extras and is as easy to install as typing "yum install plone" as root. | 22:02 |
| bipolar | Any content I edit ends up locked and I'm unable to commit it. | 22:02 |
| perlm | The problem is Python doesn't have anything close to a CPAN and Python also has some things that are weird (so says Guido), plus and most horrendous, regex's aren't part of the language. | 22:03 |
| perlm | so yes it looks pretty, but prettiness isn't a reason to choose a language. | 22:04 |
| jZed | bipolar check spectre, when it goes out there's no warning and nothing gets commited | 22:04 |
| bipolar | jZed: yeah, it's running | 22:04 |
| preaction-m | perlm, if I were so inclined, i'd maintain an ubuntu package for wG, but for now i've got other things | 22:04 |
| preaction-m | perlm: there is a gentoo package for webgui iirc | 22:05 |
| bipolar | jZed: it seems to be a permissions error. I wish I could just reset the webgui user database and all the assets | 22:05 |
| jZed | bipolar if you really want to wipe everything you can | 22:06 |
| perlm | Guido plans a complete overhaul of Python 2000 (or 2, whatever) to fix a lot of things. My money is on Perl 6 as Guido's plans for Python 2 are just "bugfixes". | 22:06 |
| bipolar | jZed: not everything, just the users. | 22:06 |
| jZed | just go to mysql and do drop database some_domain_name | 22:06 |
| preaction-m | and perl 6 is turning out to be Duke Nukem Forever | 22:06 |
| perlm | it will be out next year. | 22:06 |
| perlm | Spring or Summer target release date | 22:06 |
| perlm | and it wil roxorz your soxorz | 22:06 |
| preaction-m | seriously? awesome | 22:06 |
| * bipolar loads up IIS and Frontpage... well, not really.... | 22:07 | |
| jZed | for a variable definition of "next" | 22:07 |
| perlm | Python2 will probably be ran on Parrot 99% of the time anyways :D | 22:08 |
| perlm | So lusers can take their pretty whitespaces and non-native regexs and still user Perl6. | 22:08 |
| preaction-m | Perl6 is not Parrot :p | 22:09 |
| preaction-m | Parrot is bytecode, like java bytecode | 22:09 |
| perlm | I know....but it is being developed for Perl 6 | 22:09 |
| preaction-m | Parrot also has interpreters for a whole slew of other languages | 22:09 |
| perlm | I know. | 22:09 |
| perlm | that is what I was saying about Python running on parrot most of the time. | 22:09 |
| perlm | kind of crazy to think there will be a common layer where almost everyone's libraries can play nice together. | 22:10 |
| preaction-m | it could've happened with java, if sun made interpreters/compilers for other languages into java bytecode | 22:11 |
| preaction-m | and it is happening with .Net | 22:11 |
| maxscience | hey I'm back | 22:11 |
| maxscience | yeah I know the Perl 6 stuff | 22:11 |
| maxscience | but, as of now, the typical hello world web app contest is won by Python | 22:12 |
| maxscience | you code things faster | 22:12 |
| preaction-m | print "Hello, World!\n"; # huh? | 22:13 |
| preaction-m | oh, web, sorry | 22:13 |
| maxscience | eheh yep.. I'm talking about full web app | 22:13 |
| perlm | Look, you know of the Lisp IQ test? Perl is kind of like that. It is dense, hard to follow, but very powerful. If you need things at a llittle slower pace, no one is going to say "that's a bad idea". But don't knock the power users. | 22:13 |
| preaction-m | print "Content-type: text/plain\n\n","Hello, World!\n"; # what? | 22:13 |
| jZed | use CGI; print CGI::header(), "hello world" | 22:13 |
| preaction-m | ew, i hate using CGI for HTML generation :p | 22:14 |
| maxscience | lol CGI | 22:14 |
| preaction-m | you can't talk about "hello, world" and a "full web-app" in the same sentence... | 22:14 |
| jZed | I was golfing :-) | 22:14 |
| preaction-m | orly | 22:14 |
| maxscience | I can | 22:15 |
| preaction-m | they're two different concepts... | 22:15 |
| perlm | maxscience care to play golf on a Perl/Python hello world where the language also provides the webserver? | 22:15 |
| maxscience | for "full web app" I meant how much it takes for the whole process to be done | 22:15 |
| maxscience | Lines Of Code, Configuration, etc. | 22:15 |
| preaction-m | sockets and all? | 22:15 |
| maxscience | As an example, in J2EE you need XML configuration, Lines of code, server restarts, etc. | 22:16 |
| maxscience | for a simple hello world | 22:16 |
| preaction-m | but we're comparing Perl and Python | 22:16 |
| maxscience | I know.. It was an example | 22:16 |
| preaction-m | using CGI, both are pretty much the same. load the CGI module, print a header, print a string | 22:16 |
| maxscience | eheh with Zope you don't need that | 22:17 |
| maxscience | just the html code | 22:17 |
| jZed | same with Mason or PHP | 22:17 |
| maxscience | you can do hello world pretty much with 1 line | 22:17 |
| maxscience | PHP is unsecure | 22:17 |
| jZed | if you're running Mason via mod_perl a "hello world" for the web is just: hello world | 22:18 |
| maxscience | Mason needs tweaks to be as fast as python and it's an hassle to admin | 22:18 |
| perlm | maxscience did you come here to just try to kill off the competition? Opensource software thrives because of a diverse ecosystem. There is room for WebGUI and Zope you know? | 22:18 |
| preaction-m | any language is as secure as the code you write on it | 22:18 |
| maxscience | heh perlm don't take me wrong.. I chose WebGUI as my CMS.. Just wanted to get your opinions on the matter | 22:19 |
| preaction-m | PHP is BAD as a language, doesn't mean you can't write good apps in it | 22:19 |
| maxscience | But afterall, it reduces to a Perl fanboys vs Python fanboys | 22:19 |
| preaction-m | perlbot BAD | 22:19 |
| perlbot | Broken As Designed - There comes a time when it's easier to start from scratch. | 22:19 |
| maxscience | I'm no fanboy that's why I can think freely lol | 22:19 |
| preaction-m | so why are you persisting in the holy war? | 22:19 |
| maxscience | it's not meant to be an holy war... Till you're thinking it that way | 22:20 |
| maxscience | anyway you're from plainblack? | 22:20 |
| preaction-m | basically thus: when it comes to perl and python i have no opinion either way, I use Perl because I know Perl | 22:21 |
| maxscience | yeah that's the thing.. | 22:22 |
| perlm | I rely to much on CPAN to switch to Python. Too many powerful libs lacking in Python. | 22:22 |
| preaction-m | and when Perl finally becomes viable for applications programming (thanks to Parrot), I will keep using | 22:22 |
| maxscience | Anyway I'm looking forward to Perl 6 | 22:22 |
| perlm | There is a great Perlcast on 6. | 22:23 |
| maxscience | Plone community is just much bigger than WebGUI community... And Plone is a fairly new CMS | 22:23 |
| perlm | or maybe it was a cnet cast | 22:23 |
| maxscience | one reason is that it's much simpler to install | 22:23 |
| preaction-m | i think for the most part, wG community has been rather secular | 22:24 |
| perlm | Does Python have web templating? | 22:24 |
| preaction-m | in just a few short weeks, this channel has doubled in size | 22:24 |
| maxscience | sure it has | 22:24 |
| preaction-m | any language more than two weeks old has web templating :p | 22:24 |
| maxscience | trough Zope or TurboGears | 22:24 |
| ckotil | preaction-m: true. i bet it keeps growing | 22:24 |
| bipolar | ok. I'm going to try one last thing. I'm going to try to move my old, broken site to a new webgui instance. I have the new instance running and it seems to work. I've exported my old style to a package. | 22:25 |
| maxscience | heh preaction.. Just login to the plone channel.. 172 users now... Here 12 | 22:25 |
| maxscience | And usually there are about 6 | 22:25 |
| maxscience | But the issue it's not really about the IRC channel... It's about Contributions | 22:26 |
| ckotil | the difference has got to be plainblacks business model | 22:26 |
| ckotil | its a business...MAN | 22:26 |
| maxscience | yeah that's right | 22:26 |
| jZed | other languages have lots more user oriented apps than perl, but perl has more developer oriented modules, it's not just webgui, perl in general doesn't face towards users by default | 22:28 |
| maxscience | yeah that's right | 22:28 |
| preaction-m | there's also that Perl is more oriented towards individualism it seems | 22:28 |
| maxscience | and that makes it an old-fashioned language | 22:28 |
| preaction-m | hell, before i got hired, i wrote my own web framework | 22:28 |
| preaction-m | old-fashioned, it's as old as I am | 22:28 |
| preaction-m | learning curve too | 22:28 |
| preaction-m | Perl6 won't be the magic hammer that fixes the Perl community, but I've got a few ideas I'd like to see to help Perl itself | 22:29 |
| maxscience | preaction-m: you're developing calendar enhancements for WebGUI? | 22:29 |
| preaction-m | enhancements nothing, i'm rewriting the whole damned thing | 22:29 |
| maxscience | nice... With iCal/vCal and CalDAV in mind? ;) | 22:30 |
| preaction-m | iCalendar from the start | 22:30 |
| maxscience | any ETA? | 22:30 |
| preaction-m | my first draft is due monday | 22:30 |
| ckotil | My group is really going to appreciate this preaction-m | 22:30 |
| maxscience | oh so you're pretty much done? | 22:30 |
| preaction-m | nowhere near | 22:30 |
| preaction-m | i'm pulling 14+ hour days until then | 22:31 |
| maxscience | so how much till the end more or less? :) | 22:31 |
| bipolar | main::http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=undef - Couldn't execute operation : WebGUI::Operation::User::www_editUser. Root cause: Can't call method "get" on an undefined value at /usr/local/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Auth/LDAP.pm line 212. | 22:32 |
| bipolar | *sigh* | 22:32 |
| bipolar | how the heck did that wikipidia crap get stuck in there? | 22:32 |
| bipolar | gah | 22:33 |
| maxscience | lol no idea | 22:33 |
| preaction-m | i'm hoping i get a weekend, i had plans... | 22:33 |
| bipolar | main::[[undef]] - Couldn't execute operation : WebGUI::Operation::User::www_editUser. Root cause: Can't call method "get" on an undefined value at /usr/local/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Auth/LDAP.pm line 212. | 22:33 |
| preaction-m | bipolar: what's on that line? | 22:34 |
| bipolar | it was an option in konverstation | 22:34 |
| perlm | maxscience why did you chose WebGUI over Plone? | 22:34 |
| bipolar | my $connection = $ldapLink->get; | 22:34 |
| bipolar | preaction-m: I have no ldap users. | 22:35 |
| preaction-m | bipolar: then ldap should be disabled as an authentication method in your config file | 22:35 |
| bipolar | preaction-m: nor do I want webgui/ldap integration at this point. it shouldn't even be looking for it. | 22:35 |
| bipolar | preaction-m: crap... let me see if thats there.... | 22:35 |
| maxscience | well for the time I evaluated Plone, it was not mature enough and it lacked some features... Also some issues about templating flexibility | 22:35 |
| perlm | but now you think it is better? | 22:36 |
| maxscience | WebGUI really needs to jump in the AJAX bandwagon asap | 22:36 |
| maxscience | for some aspects, it's a lot better | 22:36 |
| perlm | It is moving towards Ajax very rapidly. | 22:36 |
| perlm | already has a lot of Ajax. | 22:36 |
| preaction-m | we just included Yui to standardize the core JS library | 22:37 |
| bipolar | preaction-m: jeez... how did I miss that.... the weird thing is I had that on for both sites, but only this one gives me errors. | 22:37 |
| maxscience | not enough... JT chose the WebGUI ajax tookit about 2 weeks ago | 22:37 |
| maxscience | yeah YUI | 22:37 |
| perlm | At least he went with YUI | 22:37 |
| preaction-m | also, ajax is overused imho. it's used in place of POST when POST should be done | 22:38 |
| maxscience | he asked the "community" some feedback on that.. Everyone said "go for scriptaculous+prototype" and he went YUI lol | 22:38 |
| maxscience | well "WebGUI" it's a pretentious name... And the GUI of the web now is ajax... Web 2.0 | 22:38 |
| preaction-m | when POST isn't right, use ajax. example: the calendar will have a button to immediately grab new feed data, using an ajax call | 22:40 |
| ckotil | cool | 22:40 |
| preaction-m | web2.0 is a crap buzzword, but then so is ajax for that matter | 22:40 |
| preaction-m | but ajax works better than XMLHttpRequest | 22:40 |
| maxscience | it's not crap | 22:40 |
| preaction-m | it is crap, web 2.0 is nothing new. it's just that finally the awesome innovations that certain sites have created are being mainstreamed | 22:41 |
| perlm | YUI is the best AJAX framework out there, easily. And if you start talking about documentation, it because blantantly obvious. | 22:41 |
| maxscience | it's nothing new, but it's not crap ;) | 22:41 |
| maxscience | and implementations are pretty new anyway... That matters for end users | 22:42 |
| maxscience | look at that http://www.plainblack.com/user_contributions/user_contributions/assets/jshttpproxy-1.2 | 22:43 |
| ckotil | oh hell yeah. | 22:44 |
| ckotil | ive been waiting for that | 22:44 |
| maxscience | it's HttpProxy with AJAX... I proposed to merge it with the actual one | 22:44 |
| ckotil | i need to try that out, see if i can use that in places where i was forced to use iframe | 22:44 |
| ckotil | i was unable to use httpproxy bc of our CAS authentication. with jshttpproxy, the users web browser will be retrieving the data rather then webgui so the authentication should be passed along A OK. | 22:45 |
| ckotil | i hope. that sound reasonable? | 22:45 |
| bipolar | preaction-m: thanku,thanku,thanku! I can now make changes and commit them. I can also access my user settings again. Now I have only one more issue unresolved. | 22:47 |
| bipolar | I think I may have some incompatible tinyMCE plugins or something else that is messing up my edits. This site has been upgraded all the way up from 6.4 or so. | 22:48 |
| bipolar | It's not saving formating of text. specificly, alignment and styles. | 22:49 |
| maxscience | rich edit and image manipulation in Plone is just MUCH better | 22:49 |
| bipolar | OMG | 22:49 |
| bipolar | I don't give a rats about plone right now. | 22:49 |
| maxscience | I'm not talking to you :D | 22:49 |
| jZed | hmm, my daughter just IM'd me this course descriptiion from the University of Washington : LING 270 Introduction to Perl Programming for Linguists (5) Bender %~ | 22:51 |
| jZed | Fundamentalprogramming techniques, including data types, control flow, regularexpressions, file handling, GUI design, and CGI interaction. Contentrelates to a variety of linguistic concepts including syntax,morphology, phonology, lexicon building and foreign language corpora.No previous programming necessary; however, a background in generallinguistic theory is assumed. | 22:51 |
| maxscience | hah universities use to teach old languages :D | 22:52 |
| jZed | The title: LING 209 Introduction to Perl Programming for Linguists | 22:52 |
| maxscience | Perl syntax is such non-user friendly that I find it hard for linguists | 22:53 |
| maxscience | although it might perform what they need just fine | 22:53 |
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| ckotil | http://weathermap.grnoc.iu.edu/nlrmaps/layer2.html 9.9 gbps !!!! | 22:59 |
| maxscience | The webgui custom modules for TinyMCE really need some overhaul.. Like the Image Editor.... | 23:00 |
| ckotil | supercomputing 2006 is going on right now in tampa, FL . and all the research and education networks are having speed tests | 23:00 |
| ckotil | http://nlrsc06.grnoc.iu.edu/ | 23:00 |
| maxscience | hah | 23:01 |
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| maxscience | heh have to go | 23:03 |
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| bipolar | preaction-m: any idea what might be causing the editor to drop formating? | 23:30 |
| bipolar | If I bypass the editor and just edit the html directly the changes do get saved, so it must be the editor. | 23:35 |
| bipolar | It's only affecting this one site on this webgui install. the other sites editor works fine. | 23:43 |
| bipolar | well.... I'll have to try to find the problem later. It's time to go home. | 23:54 |
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| +crythias | heh. Britney's divorced. Now her husband is Fed-ex. | 01:24 |
| Radix_ | *groan* | 01:25 |
| jZed | ups, you did it again | 01:25 |
| +crythias | it's a taste of a poison'd paradise. | 01:25 |
| +crythias | heh. what's this? $perls | 01:26 |
| +crythias | it's a string of perls | 01:26 |
| jZed | what's this? s/i/i/g; | 01:27 |
| Radix_ | i for an i | 01:27 |
| +crythias | an I for an i | 01:27 |
| jZed | ... the old testament </rimshot> | 01:27 |
| +crythias | heh. http://search.cpan.org/~jwoodyatt/conjury-1.004/Core/cast | 01:28 |
| +crythias | cast spells | 01:29 |
| Radix_ | just don't give up your day jobs guys :) | 01:29 |
| +crythias | :) | 01:30 |
| jZed | if I gave up my day job guys, I'd have to work | 01:31 |
| +crythias | Graphics Programming in Perl http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2002/07/23/review.html | 01:32 |
| +crythias | just sayin'. | 01:32 |
| +crythias | http://search.cpan.org/~tonyc/Imager-0.54/Imager.pm | 01:35 |
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| perlm | wow, it only took about 1 minute to install Plone. | 02:16 |
| perlm | Besides Perl, can anyone tell me why WebGUI is better than Plone? | 02:25 |
| jZed | we had that discussion once today | 02:29 |
| jZed | the plone supporters mentioned UI and ease of install and community | 02:29 |
| jZed | even if plone is good, perl deserves a plone, so webgui++ | 02:30 |
| perlm | I just wonder if all the interesting new developments are moving away from Perl. | 02:33 |
| jZed | some are, some aren't | 02:33 |
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| perlm | yeah, plus I just like Perl | 02:37 |
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| preaction-m | they labelled it stable? yay! | 05:11 |
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| maxscience | mmh the update script fails to get the mirrors list | 11:08 |
| maxscience | pls vote "Everywhere" on this Poll http://www.plainblack.com/support | 12:13 |
| ckotil | i ran into that when i tried to install webgui on a windows machine | 15:34 |
| maxscience | oh.. And how you got it sorted? | 15:46 |
| ckotil | i didnt | 15:47 |
| ckotil | it failed and so did i | 15:47 |
| maxscience | lol | 15:47 |
| maxscience | But it worked the day after? | 15:47 |
| ckotil | i only tried once | 15:47 |
| maxscience | I see | 15:48 |
| Radix_ | err.. just try it again.. it's probably your link not getting the file | 15:51 |
| ckotil | ill give it a shot | 15:51 |
| ckotil | I want to see web2.0 JS EVERYWHERE | 15:53 |
| maxscience | heh I tried 10 times and at different times | 16:01 |
| Radix_ | actually.. as much as I like ajax, I don't think it should be everywhere. Some things don't warrant it, and nor do you want all the baggage that would come with it. | 16:02 |
| Radix_ | would be nice to have a neat framework that we could all work with though.. should we want to reload an object or do something on the fly | 16:03 |
| maxscience | I want it everywhere :P | 16:03 |
| Radix_ | why? | 16:04 |
| maxscience | because it allows to fix WebGUI UI which is bad | 16:04 |
| maxscience | compared to other CMSs like Plone | 16:05 |
| maxscience | WebGUI needs to jump in the AJAX bandwagon asap | 16:05 |
| maxscience | for example... The draggable content JS WebGUI has right now it's not compatible with Safari. If plainblack replaces that with the YUI Ajax equivalent, it'll work | 16:06 |
| maxscience | using ajax can also mean better compatibility not just worst compatibility | 16:07 |
| maxscience | not to mention the other cool things you can do with it | 16:07 |
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| perlm | Preaction, how's the calendar going? Kicking butt? | 18:34 |
| jZed | it would be, but he forgot to mark this week as a work week on his calendar | 18:35 |
| perlm | DOH! | 18:36 |
| ckotil | How can I upload ~100 files efficiently? filepile would take all day | 18:49 |
| +crythias | zip | 19:04 |
| +crythias | or create a passthru upload dir. like.. um.. uploads | 19:04 |
| +crythias | funny thing is, you can make a subdir of uploads and dump anything you want there. | 19:05 |
| +crythias | of: in | 19:05 |
| +crythias | ckotil | 19:05 |
| ckotil | ok. | 19:16 |
| ckotil | i tried to use the zip asset | 19:16 |
| ckotil | i zipped up all the files and uploaded the zip but then i cant do anything with the files inside the zip | 19:16 |
| +crythias | it should have unzipped the lot and assigned assets to them. but the other is *easier*... create a folder under /uploads and ftp stuff to it. | 19:18 |
| +crythias | then ref site/uploads/file.ext | 19:19 |
| +crythias | er. site/uploads/myfolder/file.ext | 19:20 |
| ckotil | ok. i like that way better. | 19:21 |
| ckotil | well...i really would like to have the files as assets tho. im migrating our weekly reports into webgui | 19:22 |
| ckotil | the process is pretry painsteaking and manual | 19:22 |
| ckotil | with webgui someone can simply turn on admin mode and add a file. DONE | 19:22 |
| ckotil | i made this nice template and macro to rewrite the file name into part of the link description | 19:23 |
| +crythias | well, there is this multiple file upload java applet.. | 19:23 |
| +crythias | but I haven't suggested it work with WebGUI atm. | 19:24 |
| +crythias | http://sourceforge.net/projects/jupload/ | 19:24 |
| ckotil | k. what kind of asset shoudl i be in when uploading the zip asset? | 19:24 |
| +crythias | shouldn't make a difference. | 19:25 |
| ckotil | hrm. | 19:25 |
| ckotil | bc ive tried page layout, and folder. | 19:25 |
| ckotil | the zip just remains a zip. | 19:25 |
| +crythias | I mean, seriously, if the zip upload works, it should work. | 19:25 |
| ckotil | k | 19:25 |
| ckotil | does it handle tar? | 19:25 |
| ckotil | i made the zip on my mac. | 19:25 |
| ckotil | im wondering if that is fucking it up | 19:25 |
| +crythias | prob not. | 19:25 |
| +crythias | prob has to be pkzip zip | 19:25 |
| ckotil | ill try that. thx | 19:26 |
| +crythias | np | 19:26 |
| +crythias | tar seems to be valid | 19:27 |
| ckotil | coo | 19:28 |
| jZed | I'm going to be setting up a community that provides a specific, limited WebGUI site for each member. Any pointers to how to automate that and how to do comm\unity-wide analytics, searches, etc? | 19:30 |
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| +crythias | you mean like demo.plainblack.com? | 19:35 |
| jZed | yeah, I suppose that's an example | 19:35 |
| jZed | though it doesn't do any community-wide analytics or searches, does it? | 19:36 |
| +crythias | not really. it's per db | 19:36 |
| jZed | and also, it presents the full WebGUI to each user | 19:36 |
| jZed | whereas we'd want a specific template with common look/feel and a restricted set of admin options | 19:37 |
| +crythias | 'kay. | 19:37 |
| +crythias | but you wouldn't necessarily easily sync user config between main/sub webgui sites. no heirarchy | 19:37 |
| jZed | am I wrong in thinking that WebGUI can be made to work that way? | 19:37 |
| +crythias | depends on what your limits are. | 19:38 |
| +crythias | in general, no. | 19:38 |
| jZed | what kind of limits? | 19:38 |
| +crythias | a customized addsite script | 19:38 |
| +crythias | with a preconfigured limitation on the access levels... | 19:38 |
| +crythias | and possibly even a configured mysql dump of a skeleton webgui instance to redistribute.. | 19:39 |
| jZed | right, those are the kinds of things I was thinking | 19:40 |
| +crythias | not unreasonable. | 19:40 |
| +crythias | the key is what are your restrictions to impose? | 19:40 |
| jZed | to start each user will have a profile, a blog, a photo gallery, and a video gallery and nothing else | 19:41 |
| +crythias | mmkay. do you need them to have an entire webgui instance or can you give them their own group? | 19:42 |
| jZed | we'd control navigation so the members shouldn't have ability to muck with menus | 19:42 |
| jZed | Could you explain how it would be done with groups? | 19:42 |
| +crythias | a user is created and (at the moment, it has to be done manually, but I've been rfe'ing this forever) a user is assigned to his own group. | 19:43 |
| +crythias | a deployed package can be assigned access rights (edit, etc) from this group. | 19:44 |
| +crythias | read: this user's group has edit rights to the deployed package instance. | 19:44 |
| +crythias | admin is always a member of every group, but you could also add Content Managers (if you have multiple content mangers/ helpers that can change any site) | 19:45 |
| jZed | So there'd be a generic user and members would belong to that user's group and create their mini-sites as pages within that user's area and all would be one VH and one DB? | 19:46 |
| +crythias | no.. | 19:47 |
| +crythias | a real user has his own group | 19:47 |
| jZed | ah, but is *also* a member of the macro-group? | 19:47 |
| jZed | # sorry I'm clueless about groups | 19:49 |
| +crythias | no. | 19:50 |
| +crythias | hrm.. | 19:50 |
| +crythias | an asset has a group that can edit that asset. | 19:50 |
| +crythias | only members of that group can edit that asset | 19:50 |
| +crythias | a group that is assigned to the asset needs members. | 19:51 |
| +crythias | a group that has only the one user has only the user as eligible to edit. | 19:51 |
| +crythias | administrator is a default member of every group, so admin can't be restricted from any other group activity. | 19:51 |
| +crythias | a package can be created that has only the assets as part of the package.. | 19:52 |
| +crythias | this package can be deployed under a defined directory structure. | 19:52 |
| +crythias | once deployed, this deployment instance's edit group can be configured to a person's unique edit group. | 19:53 |
| jZed | ok so each member still has their own site/db but it is pre-populated with the package | 19:55 |
| jZed | or am I still lost? | 19:56 |
| +crythias | no separate db, unlesss that's what you want. | 19:56 |
| +crythias | my question to you is this: what constitutes a "site" to you? | 19:57 |
| jZed | hrm, I'd prefer one db, how would that be done? | 19:57 |
| * crythias whimpers silently. | 19:57 | |
| jZed | For now a site is [one profile page, one blog, multiple photo and video galleries] with ability to set perm levels for any of those, eventually forums, calendars, feeds, etc. would be optional add-ons to a site | 19:59 |
| jZed | # if you're whimpering because of my cluelessness, sorry, I'll read up on groups right away | 20:00 |
| +crythias | would it be acceptable to do a la myspace.com/users/username? | 20:00 |
| jZed | yes, for sure, that's what we'd want | 20:00 |
| +crythias | do you know how to make a package? | 20:00 |
| jZed | not yet, but I grok the idea and don't anticipate troubles there | 20:01 |
| jZed | I should explain: I'm architect for a big project, we had intended to roll our own in Mason, but because of time limations I decided to try WebGUI instead, I've had all of three days experience actually using WebGUI, but my 14+ years as a perl developer (and my team also) should help | 20:03 |
| jZed | I just don't know yet how much can be done directly with WebGUI and how much we'll have to do via customization | 20:03 |
| jZed | if we have to customize, my hope is that it will be via subclasses we can eventually contribute back to CPAN or wherever | 20:07 |
| +crythias | but you do understand why users get their own groups in Linux, right? | 20:10 |
| jZed | um, yes | 20:12 |
| +crythias | apparently, this is considered a security risk (?) in WebGUI. | 20:12 |
| +crythias | http://www.plainblack.com/etcetera/cant-instanciate-template | 20:15 |
| +crythias | sorry | 20:15 |
| +crythias | http://www.plainblack.com/etcetera/use-isolation/security | 20:15 |
| jZed | thanks, that's helpful | 20:18 |
| jZed | I'm still unclear on the relation between a system user/group and a WebGUI user/group and what grouping would have to do with the VHs and DBs | 20:18 |
| +crythias | system user/group is analogy | 20:19 |
| jZed | k | 20:19 |
| +crythias | nothing but a "why should there be auto user-group in WebGUI" | 20:19 |
| +crythias | grouping is alternative to vh/db | 20:20 |
| jZed | that's the part I don't get yet | 20:20 |
| +crythias | I realize I get terse in my statements, but I don't understand your issue. | 20:21 |
| +crythias | figure a group as an access control ... | 20:22 |
| jZed | and I'm sorry to be clueless ... what would be the steps in setting up a new member's site in terms of the db? | 20:22 |
| +crythias | don't | 20:22 |
| +crythias | just deploy a package | 20:22 |
| +crythias | which you don't understand at the moment :) | 20:22 |
| jZed | right | 20:22 |
| +crythias | it's not a filesystem deploy. it's an asset [group] deploy | 20:22 |
| +crythias | it happens completely within the WebGUI um.. UI | 20:23 |
| +crythias | one sec | 20:23 |
| +crythias | http://www.plainblack.com/?op=viewHelp;hid=packages%20using;namespace=WebGUI | 20:24 |
| +crythias | a Package becomes the same as "Article" | 20:24 |
| +crythias | How do you add an Article? | 20:25 |
| +crythias | same way as a Package. | 20:25 |
| +crythias | :) | 20:25 |
| jZed | um, ok, I more or less see how to do it with packages, what I don't understand is what is being done ... what does adding a package do to the DB? | 20:26 |
| jZed | and/or the filesys | 20:26 |
| +crythias | what does adding (deploying) an article do to the db? | 20:26 |
| +crythias | the point is.. do you care? | 20:27 |
| jZed | um yes, if I need to do community-wide searches, tagging, and analytics, I do care what happens to the DB :-) | 20:27 |
| +crythias | let me rephrase the question.. does it matter to those things what happens if you add an article to a webgui install? | 20:28 |
| +crythias | the answer is: no. | 20:28 |
| * jZed whimpers silently | 20:28 | |
| +crythias | why doesn't it matter? | 20:29 |
| +crythias | because all those things query the same db. | 20:29 |
| +crythias | the packages are just simple ways of adding multiple assets at once... such as a photo gallery, a forum, a profile page, etc. | 20:29 |
| +crythias | and you'd add them at a url point for a user. | 20:30 |
| +crythias | inside the big webgui instance. | 20:30 |
| +crythias | and you'd give them their own permissions in that sub-world within the original WebGUI deployment | 20:30 |
| +crythias | and because the original WebGUI deployment is the same database with a bunch of additional asset instances, it becomes nothing to the search function to find what's in the database. | 20:31 |
| +crythias | note: we're talking about asset instances, not webgui instances, and not VH | 20:32 |
| +crythias | and not additional databases | 20:33 |
| jZed | so instead of multiple joe_host.domain, sue_host_domain MySQL databases, there's only a webgui_host_domain database | 20:33 |
| +crythias | yeah | 20:33 |
| +crythias | and their urls will be webgui.domain/users/username | 20:34 |
| +crythias | but you can always tweak apache to try to map username.webgui.domain to webgui.domain/users/username if you wish. | 20:34 |
| jZed | and that will work for millions of users? | 20:34 |
| +crythias | beats me. I don't have millions of users to try it on. | 20:35 |
| jZed | I'll let you know :-) | 20:35 |
| jZed | # not that I have a million users now either | 20:35 |
| +crythias | and I don't have an automated way atm to do it. that'd be something that a macro or a post | 20:35 |
| +crythias | post-registration activity can do. | 20:36 |
| +crythias | but if your infrastructure can handle the single db with lots of users, it should be fine. That's when you have a reverse proxy front end, though. | 20:36 |
| +crythias | which, incidentally, appears to be how WRE is configured. | 20:37 |
| jZed | so essentially a user would register, a script would add them to the site-group and their own group and create dirs/urls for their assets and add the pre-prepared package to their assets | 20:40 |
| +crythias | that's the idea. and no messy additional dbs | 20:41 |
| jZed | very nice, I was hoping for something like that | 20:41 |
| +crythias | we cool? | 20:41 |
| jZed | you cool! | 20:42 |
| +crythias | wonderful. | 20:42 |
| jZed | my CTO may prove to be glad I recommended WebGUI yet :-) | 20:42 |
| jZed | thanks for your advice | 20:44 |
| preaction-m | there's a runOnRegistration thing too, that can run any arbitrary program (that could set up that subdomain redirect, deploy the package, create the user's group, etc...) | 21:12 |
| ckotil | anyone know where this template is located within the import node? http://globalnoc.iu.edu/abilene/support/weekly-reporting3.html?op=auth;method=logout | 21:18 |
| jZed | thanks Doug, that should help | 21:21 |
| preaction-m | ckotil: you mean the login template? | 21:22 |
| ckotil | is that what that is? | 21:24 |
| preaction-m | it's telling me to log in | 21:24 |
| ckotil | Ive tried to editing it in the past, but didnt see any results. | 21:24 |
| ckotil | yeah. | 21:24 |
| ckotil | thats what im talking about, the login template | 21:25 |
| ckotil | We dont use usernames/passwords on my site, I want to add the CAS login button to that template | 21:25 |
| preaction-m | go to /root?func=manageAssets , go to Search, type in "Login" and select WebGUI::Asset::Template | 21:27 |
| preaction-m | the one you want says Default WebGUI Login Template, i believe | 21:27 |
| ckotil | ok. thanks | 21:27 |
| +crythias | part is logout, part may be the Settings->UI | 21:28 |
| +crythias | perlbot help | 21:31 |
| perlbot | (fact)::tell (who) about (what)::(what) > (who)::learn (what) as (info)::relearn (fact) as (info)::phone (phone number)::shorten (url)::shorten it::search (module)::docs (module)::perldoc -f (function)::jargon (term)::math::fortune::flip::host (type) (record)::rot13::roll (die)::tempconv (temp)::scramble (foo)::8ball::slap::diss::what time is it::top/bottom (number) karma::geoip (ip) | 21:31 |
| ckotil | thats the one preaction-m , thanks | 21:33 |
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| ckotil | yikes. JSHttpProxy broke my dev server | 21:57 |
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| Radix-wrk | woot.. WRE 0.7.2 finally released | 05:34 |
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| +crythias | sigh | 05:47 |
| +crythias | I had to update my faq | 05:47 |
| +crythias | btw... WRE saved my skin in upgradeing a 6.2.11 old version. | 05:48 |
| Radix-wrk | oh? how so? | 06:00 |
| +crythias | dropped it in, installed the IKC stuff and then.. upgraded from 6.2.11 slowly. | 06:05 |
| +crythias | until 6810, it was good, but I did all this before reading that 7.2.1 can't upg from 6810 | 06:06 |
| +crythias | which I actually read about 15 minutes ago | 06:06 |
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| perlm | ah...I just installed 7.2.0(beta) 4 days ago. And 7.2.1 stable is out? I've only had this a week and now I have to figure out how to upgrade :P | 06:22 |
| perlm | that may have been one of the least painful upgrades ever. | 06:39 |
| perlm | we likeses. | 06:39 |
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| Radix-wrk | anyone know if there's a macro or some way in the nav template to get the last updated time for a given page? | 08:34 |
| Radix-wrk | looks like I might need an updated ^LastModified() macro.. but one that takes a given webgui asset url and then works it out | 08:36 |
| Radix-wrk | Well.. that was easy.. LastModifiedPage.pm macro is born.. | 08:43 |
| Radix-wrk | means you can create perfect sitemap.xml files with a simple navigation template now :) | 08:47 |
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| ckotil | crythias: You mentioned adding a passthru url beneath /data/www/uploads/ . Can I have the files that get uploaded there automatically become assets? | 17:47 |
| +crythias | um. passthru url isn't (I think) necessary for /uploads | 17:50 |
| +crythias | because it probably already is. | 17:50 |
| +crythias | besides that, no, it can't be an asset because it's a passthru | 17:50 |
| +crythias | there is another .pl I think in WebGUI/sbin that is also supposed to convert files to assets | 17:51 |
| +crythias | fileImport.pl | 17:51 |
| +crythias | unf. it seems to be pics | 17:52 |
| +crythias | jpg jpeg png gif | 17:52 |
| +crythias | but that can be potentially changed by your own hand. | 17:52 |
| ckotil | oh perfect. thanks | 17:57 |
| ckotil | http://www.fresh99.com/messy-networks.htm | 18:11 |
| +crythias | wow. http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/cubegoodies/8b4e/ | 18:14 |
| +crythias | is that water? | 18:15 |
| ckotil | yes :/ | 18:15 |
| +crythias | this.. scares me. | 18:16 |
| +crythias | http://www.gwy2.org/photos/index.php?album=%2FFBCN%2F&image=DCP_0107.jpg | 18:17 |
| ckotil | nice and neat | 18:18 |
| ckotil | the water thing happened here in one of our server rooms | 18:18 |
| ckotil | instead of permanatly fixing the problem the physical plan installed sensors to tell us when water was gathering | 18:19 |
| ckotil | is there a reason why http://noc.nlr.net/media/nlr/images/nlr-peering-wl2.pdf works in safari and IE but not ff? | 20:35 |
| ckotil | in ff it shows source. | 20:35 |
| ckotil | http://noc.nlr.net/public/uploads/4g/x3/4gx3aMPGNE5gxTddBGtmzw/nlr-peering-wl2.pdf works however. | 20:35 |
| ckotil | is there a MIME setting im overlooking? | 20:36 |
| perlm | I'm frick'n pumped. Just got the go ahead to install WebGUI on a test box at work. We start moving our website into the portal after the break. | 20:41 |
| ckotil | nice | 20:43 |
| perlm | Yeah. I'm looking forward to porting all my online surveys into WebGUI and then never having to write another servey again. I can just give the researcher permission to create their own. | 20:44 |
| ckotil | heh | 20:44 |
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| Jiggie | brb | 23:06 |
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| perlm | preaction, how goes the calendar? | 23:56 |
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| perlm | perlbot < 3 | 02:40 |
| perlm | perlbot <3 | 02:40 |
| perlbot | bullshit, I'm way more than 3 | 02:40 |
| perlm | perlbot help | 02:40 |
| perlbot | (fact)::tell (who) about (what)::(what) > (who)::learn (what) as (info)::relearn (fact) as (info)::phone (phone number)::shorten (url)::shorten it::search (module)::docs (module)::perldoc -f (function)::jargon (term)::math::fortune::flip::host (type) (record)::rot13::roll (die)::tempconv (temp)::scramble (foo)::8ball::slap::diss::what time is it::top/bottom (number) karma::geoip (ip) | 02:40 |
| perlm | perlbot what time is it | 02:41 |
| perlbot | Sat Nov 18 16:41:23 2006 Pacific Time | 02:41 |
| perlm | perlbot leave | 02:41 |
| perlbot | The Cure goes into the Perl Black-Hole... | 02:41 |
| jZed__ | perlbot, when will perl6 be out? | 02:48 |
| jZed__ | ah, see - no answer for that one | 02:49 |
| jZed__ | # I cheated | 02:49 |
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| Troobloo | i am building a website, i need to allow registered users to create their own page and upload photos, and audio files. i want to create a page for this with forms and radio buttons to make it simple for the users, any suggestions? | 08:23 |
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| Radix_ | Yes, wait around longer if you expect an answer | 09:02 |
| +crythia1 | making webgui into myspace is going to take some doing. | 15:25 |
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| perlm | Troobloo was funny | 18:57 |
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| perlm | Anyone know the price range for new website themes from PlainBlack? | 22:52 |
| perlm | Surely I should be able to get a custom theme and a few icons for a couple hundred dollars, right? | 22:53 |
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| jZed | wre install should be done as root, right? | 18:33 |
| @preaction-m | definately yes | 19:00 |
| @preaction-m | most admin scripts for the WRE require root as well | 19:00 |
| @preaction-m | mainly for file permissions, which might benefit from changing (perhaps a "wre" user?) | 19:00 |
| jZed | thanks, I think if I can just get mod_proxy behaving I'll have it up and running | 19:01 |
| jZed | ok, got mod_proxy set ok I think, added "demo" to /etc/hosts | 19:52 |
| jZed | but now when I hit the server, I get "Fatal Internal | 20:01 |
| jZed | where the heck are the plain httpd error logs? in /data/wre/prereqs/apache/logs I see only modproxy.error.log and modperl.error.log | 20:03 |
| @preaction-m | there are two servers? thus two error logs? | 20:03 |
| jZed | so, when I get "Fatal Internal Error" which log do I look in? | 20:04 |
| @preaction-m | look in both, i'd start with modproxy though, since that's the first server that's reached | 20:05 |
| @preaction-m | then modperl | 20:05 |
| @preaction-m | then webgui.log | 20:05 |
| jZed | I looked in all three of those and couldn't find an error with a timestamp for now | 20:05 |
| @preaction-m | might be an apache problem, did you restart after you changed the config | 20:06 |
| @preaction-m | are you using the appropriate hostname? | 20:06 |
| @preaction-m | were it a wG problem, there would be something in either modperl log or webgui.log | 20:06 |
| jZed | hmm, ok, now I get an error in the logs .. apparently MySQL doesn't recognize the hostname | 20:07 |
| @preaction-m | is not localhost and/or 127.0.0.1 in your /etc/hosts? | 20:07 |
| jZed | yes and set to demo | 20:08 |
| @preaction-m | how about the site.webgui.conf | 20:08 |
| jZed | it lists mysqlhost=myhostname | 20:09 |
| @preaction-m | lists? | 20:09 |
| @preaction-m | what's the entire dsn | 20:09 |
| jZed | oh hmm, it's looking on port 3306 which is another mysql instance | 20:10 |
| jZed | I should be able to run /data/wre/prereqs/mysql/bin/mysql, from the command line shouldn't I? | 20:25 |
| @preaction-m | yes | 20:25 |
| @preaction-m | source in /data/wre/sbin/setenvironment | 20:25 |
| jZed | yeah, did that | 20:25 |
| @preaction-m | . /data/wre/sbin/setenvironment | 20:25 |
| @preaction-m | then which mysql | 20:26 |
| jZed | ah, yes, good | 20:26 |
| jZed | ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/data/wre/prereqs/mysql/mysql.sock' (2) | 20:26 |
| @preaction-m | mysql.sock probably isn't owned by the mysql user | 20:26 |
| @preaction-m | in fact, the entire directory should be owned by the mysql user | 20:27 |
| jZed | that would be the adminuser defined in /data/wre/etc/demo.conf? | 20:29 |
| @preaction-m | no, the user that mysql run's as | 20:29 |
| @preaction-m | which should be mysql | 20:29 |
| @preaction-m | the system user | 20:29 |
| @preaction-m | do a ps aux | grep "mysql" <- should tell you what user the /data/wre mysql is running as | 20:30 |
| +crythias | yeah and if you don't have a mysql user (which vanilla installs of OS don't), you're going to have issues. | 20:30 |
| +crythias | read wre/docs/install.txt | 20:33 |
| jZed | mysql is running as root | 20:34 |
| +crythias | then it's already installed? | 20:34 |
| jZed | the wre mysql, that is | 20:34 |
| jZed | everything is installed, rc.webgui start reports success | 20:35 |
| +crythias | sigh | 20:35 |
| +crythias | yeah. | 20:36 |
| +crythias | mysql never reports erros 'cause it goes to /dev/null | 20:36 |
| jZed | ps aux lists wre/..../mysql.server start --defults-file=/data/wre/prereqs/mysql/my.cnf but there is no such file | 20:41 |
| +crythias | 'cause you didn't run setup | 20:41 |
| jZed | well, I did | 20:41 |
| +crythias | if you did, then MySQl would have crapped out during setup | 20:42 |
| +crythias | and... where is your my.cnf? | 20:43 |
| +crythias | it gets created/updated with setup | 20:43 |
| jZed | well, apparently it didn't | 20:43 |
| jZed | I guess I should rerun setup | 20:43 |
| +crythias | do you have a user in /etc/passwd called "mysql"? | 20:44 |
| jZed | yep | 20:44 |
| +crythias | is there an /etc/my.cnf? | 20:44 |
| jZed | yes | 20:44 |
| +crythias | get rid of it | 20:44 |
| +crythias | rename it. whatever | 20:44 |
| +crythias | or do you have mysql already running additionally? | 20:45 |
| jZed | will that impact the 5 other mysql instances running on this prod server? | 20:45 |
| +crythias | yes. | 20:45 |
| jZed | :-) | 20:45 |
| jZed | I thought it might | 20:45 |
| +crythias | in that case... | 20:45 |
| +crythias | you can put your db in your existing mysql and ignore the wre/sbin/rc.mysql | 20:46 |
| +crythias | because it won't work. | 20:46 |
| +crythias | unless you change the 3306 port to something else. | 20:46 |
| jZed | I set the mysql port to something else in wre setup | 20:46 |
| +crythias | what can I say? if you're ignoring what the wre docs say, you'll get what you get. | 20:47 |
| jZed | crythias, thanks alot for your help # but can the sarcasm please | 20:48 |
| +crythias | fair 'nuff. the WRE is supposed to be used for OS without apache, mysql, etc. | 20:48 |
| +crythias | and webgui's designed to be the only thing running on the box. If you want to retrofit WebGUI, start from source, not wre. | 20:49 |
| jZed | ok, I guess that was my mistake | 20:49 |
| +crythias | if you think *I'm* sarcastic, you have thin skin, and obviously aren't reading the dev list. | 20:51 |
| jZed | I can still use e.g. the perl from wre (cause CPAN failed to install a bunch of the prereqs when I tried installing from source) | 20:51 |
| +crythias | sure. as long as the lib is included properly. | 20:51 |
| jZed | well, I'm not going to die from the sarcasm but it sure ain't a way to build community | 20:51 |
| jZed | and seriously, I do appreciate your help | 20:52 |
| jZed | if it comes with sarcasm, so be it :-) | 20:52 |
| +crythias | you might want to see about the Include in preload.perl | 20:52 |
| jZed | can I run a demo site with the source install? | 20:52 |
| +crythias | I don't understand the intent of the question. | 20:53 |
| jZed | with wre if you choose demo, you get a site multiple people can create subsites on, how do I do that with a source install? | 20:54 |
| +crythias | I didn't recall that being an option... I remember dev... | 20:54 |
| jZed | If I remember setup first you choose dev/prod then it asks if you want to install demo | 20:55 |
| +crythias | oh, yeah. um. ok... | 20:55 |
| +crythias | we just had this conv with someone else. | 20:55 |
| +crythias | not you/I=we, but ... | 20:55 |
| jZed | setupDemo($setupType) unless ($isDev); | 20:55 |
| +crythias | OK. my position: do you want a bunch of separate databases or do you just want to have one big happy family> | 20:56 |
| jZed | one | 20:56 |
| +crythias | I wouldn't recommend the demo setup. | 20:57 |
| jZed | ah, ok | 20:57 |
| +crythias | I'd give people their own group upon registration, and deploy a package for them. | 20:57 |
| +crythias | right now, this isn't automatically a part of WebGUI, but seems to be a repetitive request. | 20:58 |
| +crythias | this package deployment simply provides a set of assets at a location you designate. | 20:59 |
| +crythias | in your master db | 20:59 |
| jZed | so set up a single site, create a package, create a post-registration script that adds a user to a group, deploy the package for them | 21:00 |
| +crythias | yep | 21:00 |
| +crythias | with appropriate permissions. | 21:00 |
| jZed | if I just want to experiment with my team, can I have them manually add themselves to their own group | 21:00 |
| +crythias | groups aren't created spontaneously. | 21:00 |
| +crythias | by the time you create a group, you might as well have members. | 21:01 |
| +crythias | time [it takes] you [to] create | 21:02 |
| jZed | well I need to get it up and running so that I can experiment with it to find out about groups and packages and such, so to begin with I just need something that I can run and that my team can run also without us stepping on each other, what's the simplest way to accomplish that? | 21:04 |
| jZed | BTW, I just reread the Plain Black "Installation Options" and "WRE" and "Source Install" pages and none of them make any mention that one shouldn't use WRE with pre-installed apache/mysql ... | 21:11 |
| * crythias whimpers. | 21:11 | |
| +crythias | no, I supposed I goofed on that. | 21:12 |
| +crythias | simplest is obvious not happening the way you're doing now. | 21:12 |
| +crythias | from my pov, I'd create the db, create a virtualhost, drop the appropriate info in the right places, and make sure the wre perl preqs are in my includes, both in testEnvironment.pl and preload.perl | 21:13 |
| jZed | ok, and I'll forget about the demo as you advised | 21:16 |
| jZed | can I ask what the showstopper is for using wre on machines with their own mysqls and apaches? | 21:16 |
| +crythias | I don't know. however, mysql seems to be fixated on /etc/my.cnf, no matter if it belongs or not. | 21:17 |
| jZed | I mean I'm gonna have to setup my own apache instance anyway | 21:17 |
| jZed | my /etc/my.cnf is very minimal, I don't see why it should matter, it isn't specific to a port | 21:18 |
| jZed | [mysqld] | 21:18 |
| jZed | max_connections=250 | 21:18 |
| jZed | that's the whole thing | 21:18 |
| +crythias | weirdness | 21:18 |
| jZed | it's because the box has like 6 different mysql instances | 21:19 |
| jZed | so I'm having trouble wondering why the wre mysql just can't be added to the mix | 21:20 |
| +crythias | doesn't bother me. it would seem reasonable to change the setenvironment | 21:20 |
| jZed | so would I be crazy to try to get wre working here? it seems like it has other advantages | 21:22 |
| +crythias | I'm fine if you want to disregard everything I've said up to this point. | 21:22 |
| jZed | ok, I'm off to junk wre and do a source install, thanks | 21:23 |
| ckotil | I run it from source | 21:24 |
| ckotil | i like it. | 21:24 |
| ckotil | Ive tried to do the wre on a couple of boxes and I could never get it working | 21:24 |
| ckotil | fbsd 5.4, 6.1, RHAS4 | 21:24 |
| +crythias | I did rhas4 | 21:24 |
| +crythias | had to add two cpan things. | 21:24 |
| jZed | yeah I got the source install working on my home debian, but coulnd't get wre working either there or on my work RHEL4 | 21:24 |
| +crythias | IKC things | 21:25 |
| ckotil | ah. | 21:25 |
| jZed | someone should hit the ColorNames guy with a cluestick, hangs every time I try to testEnvironment.pl | 21:26 |
| +crythias | yeah | 21:26 |
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| jZed | ok, so I got everything installed from source, hit the site, logged in as admin, changed the name of "my company" and hit save, and got a blank page and now I can't get admin or anything, just a blank page ... so I'm thinking drop and recreate the database, rm and recreate the /data/domains/mysite/* | 17:19 |
| jZed | logs showed problem with ImageMagic and Spectre both of which I now solved | 17:19 |
| +crythias | you checked modperl.log and modproxy.log? | 17:20 |
| * crythias smacks himself | 17:20 | |
| +crythias | sorry | 17:20 |
| +crythias | bad bad bad | 17:20 |
| jZed | :-) | 17:20 |
| jZed | a guy yesterday told me not to do WRE :-) | 17:21 |
| +crythias | no, seriously, I apologize. brain seems to be elsewhere. | 17:21 |
| +crythias | but... | 17:21 |
| jZed | logs are clean now as far as I can tell | 17:21 |
| jZed | there was the ImagaMagick and Spectre probs when I frist logged in | 17:21 |
| +crythias | it wouldn't be unreasonable to drop, recreate the db, and reload the docs/create.sql | 17:22 |
| jZed | ok, I'll give that a shot | 17:24 |
| jZed | dang, same thing | 17:30 |
| jZed | dropped and recreated the db | 17:30 |
| jZed | got admin login | 17:30 |
| jZed | logged in, changed name of my company, hit save, got a blank page | 17:30 |
| +crythias | there's got to be something in webgui.log | 17:30 |
| jZed | Couldn't call method view on asset for url: Root cause: Can't locate object method "get" via package "WebGUI::Storage::Image" at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Article.pm line 178. | 17:31 |
| +crythias | let me check my faq | 17:32 |
| +crythias | btw... where is your WebGUI dir? | 17:34 |
| jZed | /data | 17:34 |
| +crythias | this is a problem potentially with ImageMagick, I think | 17:35 |
| +crythias | what does your testEnvironment.pl say | 17:35 |
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| jZed | oh merde, Image::Magick problems | 17:37 |
| +crythias | that makes sense to me. | 17:37 |
| +crythias | if you can perl -e "use Image::Magick;" without errors, you're fine | 17:38 |
| jZed | yeah I did perl -MImage... | 17:39 |
| jZed | it isn't finding ImageMagick though I installed it last night | 17:39 |
| +crythias | what OS again? | 17:39 |
| jZed | RHEL4 | 17:39 |
| +crythias | rpm? | 17:39 |
| jZed | I tried pointing at the WRE perl | 17:40 |
| jZed | libs, but they're 5.8.8 and I'm on 5.8.7 | 17:40 |
| jZed | no not rpm, from tarball source | 17:40 |
| +crythias | oh. well, it's a fast compile from source, if that helps any at all | 17:40 |
| +crythias | you get the perl if you configure it. | 17:40 |
| +crythias | if you don't ... you might not get it. | 17:41 |
| jZed | I suppose that would work, how do I point things at that perl? in httpd.conf? | 17:41 |
| +crythias | ? | 17:41 |
| jZed | the WRE perl is working | 17:41 |
| +crythias | mod_perl2 | 17:42 |
| +crythias | is compiled (I think) to talk to your system perl | 17:42 |
| jZed | yeah, right | 17:42 |
| jZed | so pointing at WRE perl won't help | 17:42 |
| +crythias | :( sorry | 17:43 |
| +crythias | if the include works, it works | 17:43 |
| jZed | 'sokay, I'll go back to troubleshooting Image::Magic install | 17:43 |
| +crythias | that'd be my suggestion, although, like I thought I might hav esaid, see what's in the includes in preload.perl | 17:44 |
| +crythias | that is... | 17:44 |
| jZed | well if perl -MImage::Magic fails ... | 17:44 |
| +crythias | but use the -I"/path/to/wre/libs" | 17:44 |
| jZed | yes, I did that | 17:45 |
| +crythias | what error? | 17:45 |
| jZed | well if I include any of the platform/5.8.8 files, I get a version mismatch error | 17:47 |
| jZed | XS files, of course | 17:47 |
| +crythias | ok. but I didn't have a problem with compiling ImageMagick with perl support with the ./configure | 17:48 |
| jZed | yes, that worked for me | 17:49 |
| jZed | hmm, maybe I configured ImageMagic with my wre environ set so it got linked to the wrong perl | 17:51 |
| +crythias | possibly, although you'd see that error. | 17:51 |
| +crythias | but nonetheless, I think I'd have you up and running in a jiffy | 17:51 |
| jZed | happen to know where ImageMagick stores its libs and includes? | 17:52 |
| +crythias | hm. | 17:53 |
| +crythias | perhaps it's best to log out of root and try a fresh path | 17:53 |
| +crythias | you might make clean and then ./configure, then check its paths in the Makefile | 17:54 |
| jZed | well Image::Magic wants to know the path to ImageMagic | 17:54 |
| +crythias | that ... | 17:54 |
| jZed | yeah, the Makefile | 17:54 |
| +crythias | the ImageMagick source makes Perl::Magick/Image::Magick | 17:54 |
| +crythias | http://www.imagemagick.org/script/install-source.php | 17:55 |
| jZed | thanks, I'm re-configuring | 17:59 |
| jZed | if you need any perlish or dbi help in return, just holler :-) | 18:01 |
| +crythias | heh :) | 18:01 |
| +crythias | I just hope I'm helping. | 18:01 |
| jZed | yes, definitely | 18:02 |
| +crythias | I'm not batting well so far. | 18:02 |
| jZed | woot! | 18:05 |
| +crythias | hee | 18:05 |
| jZed | re-made ImageMagic, got into my site, thanks | 18:05 |
| +crythias | :) | 18:05 |
| +crythias | that made sense to me. | 18:06 |
| jZed | ok, back to making you whimper :-) | 18:25 |
| +crythias | ? | 18:25 |
| +crythias | you didn't start spectre | 18:25 |
| +crythias | or it's not communicating | 18:25 |
| jZed | no, it's all working , now I'm back to my conceptual problems: I still do not get the relation between a site, a member, a group ... I want new people to be able to sign up, and then have a site they can manage | 18:27 |
| +crythias | that's not automatic, btw... you have to develop that yourself. | 18:27 |
| +crythias | but the parts are there. | 18:28 |
| jZed | can I do it manually, i.e. create users X,Y,Z and give them sites? | 18:28 |
| +crythias | first, from the main page, create a Page Layout | 18:28 |
| +crythias | give it a url of template | 18:29 |
| +crythias | like /users/template | 18:29 |
| +crythias | in this template page, add the asset types that you'd like in your package | 18:29 |
| +crythias | in the page layout edit... you can click one of the tabs and "create a package" | 18:30 |
| +crythias | then, yes, you can add a user, create a group for that user, and then add that user to the group. | 18:30 |
| +crythias | from the main page, you can then deploy the created package with a given URL (I forget at the moment how that exactly works, but trial and error won't kill you :) | 18:31 |
| jZed | great, thanks, that's plenty to get me started | 18:32 |
| +crythias | then you mass update the package at the /users/user1 level and tell it to give edit perms to the user1group | 18:32 |
| +crythias | don't forget the webgui.conf.original has info on restricting what can be seen by users (UILevel) and make certain users with sites have minimum UILevel but raise the UILevel for stuff they shouldn't see. | 18:34 |
| +crythias | that should be: have a minimum required UILevel | 18:34 |
| jZed | one more big picture question for you ... we are going to need sandboxes for a bunch of developers, a development staging area, a production site ... any tips on how to set all that up? sandboxes as just members on the dev site, a separate webgui instance on the prod box? | 18:34 |
| +crythias | I'd consider that. | 18:34 |
| +crythias | however copy/paste to the prod box is ... well, it's better because there's an export package functionality (not the same as site export) | 18:35 |
| +crythias | I've not used it, but it's supposed to be the way to make and distribute themes, etc. | 18:35 |
| +crythias | nonetheless, a sandbox could simply be a hidden area that doesn't show on your nav | 18:36 |
| +crythias | for people who aren't in your sandbox group. | 18:36 |
| jZed | that makes sense | 18:36 |
| jZed | ok, here's a wild one ... can we run Mason (full, not standalone) and WebGUI, I know we can call Mason standalone form webgui, but I'm asking about e.g. having a Mason WebApp that handles some things in addition to what WebGui handles | 18:39 |
| +crythias | do you need cross polination auth? | 18:39 |
| jZed | probably, what is it ? :-) | 18:40 |
| +crythias | does the mason auth need to know that the user is a legit webgui user? | 18:40 |
| jZed | yep | 18:40 |
| +crythias | the short answer is almost always "yes" but the long answer is how do you expect the mason app to know this? | 18:41 |
| jZed | mason starts up, creates a WebApp object ... in a wG template, the WebApp is called with params passing wG session info to it ... | 18:42 |
| jZed | # off the top of my head | 18:43 |
| +crythias | btw you can use wsclient I think or soap to do some things... | 18:43 |
| jZed | this is all so we can leverage our prexisting mason code | 18:43 |
| +crythias | You can always iframe it. :) :) | 18:44 |
| +crythias | or directly link | 18:44 |
| jZed | I was thinking along the lines of creating a Mason::Template plugin so instead of HTML::Template, the templates would be mason components | 18:45 |
| +crythias | sec | 18:46 |
| +crythias | this was done a while ago, but no way it will work with 7.2.1 as is http://www.plainblack.com/mason_script__wobject#uOwFpELismsIDmxRSUVlvQ | 18:47 |
| jZed | unless I'm misunderstanding, making a Wobject is a bit different from making a different templater, but that's good stuff for me to look at | 18:49 |
| +crythias | yes, this is server side code | 18:50 |
| jZed | hee, three hits from grep -ilr jzucker wre/prereqs/perl/* | 18:50 |
| jZed | though it's not stuff you probably actually use | 18:54 |
| +crythias | I must confess, no. :( | 18:56 |
| jZed | made a page layout "User Package" with url users/template, said yes make it a package ... committed ... created a template "users/template" ... but how to add assets to the template? | 19:16 |
| @preaction-m | another possibility could be HttpProxy | 19:16 |
| +crythias | btw.. I was confusing ... | 19:16 |
| @preaction-m | jZed: you'll probably want to create a folder, make a bunch of assets inside the folder, and then make the folder into a package | 19:16 |
| +crythias | yeah. I just used the word template in an unauthorized use of the word, as it relates to webgui. | 19:17 |
| +crythias | I used the word template in this case when I should have used the word "skeleton" | 19:17 |
| +crythias | or scaffold | 19:17 |
| jZed | aha, and the skeleton is a folder of assets which goes in the package | 19:18 |
| +crythias | yeah. create your skeleton before your package | 19:19 |
| jZed | btw, I have a very detailed log of my source webgui install, would it be useful to you? | 19:22 |
| +crythias | not detailed. but you're welcome to check out my faq | 19:23 |
| jZed | your faq was great and the log is pretty much just an exapnsion on it (and I reordered the steps so that instead of bouncing around, you do things one at a time - perl setup, apache setup, spectre setup, webgui dirs setup, mysql setup | 19:25 |
| jZed | plus it includes some mistakes I made that people might want to watch out for :-) | 19:26 |
| +crythias | that's exactly why I made the faq | 19:29 |
| +crythias | the thing is, newbie errors are just as important to troubleshoot as real bugs | 19:29 |
| jZed | yep | 19:29 |
| +crythias | unfortunately, they tend to get lost in forums. | 19:29 |
| +crythias | which is why I made the FAQ. | 19:30 |
| jZed | k, maybe I missed the FAQ, are you talking about the Plain Back Install from Source pages? | 19:30 |
| +crythias | uh-uh | 19:30 |
| +crythias | no | 19:30 |
| +crythias | http://www.gwy2.org/cgi-bin/fom | 19:30 |
| +crythias | btw.. I don't work for plainblack. I'm just a guy. | 19:32 |
| +crythias | but I did sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night. | 19:32 |
| jZed | very cool, thanks for the FAQ, looks great | 19:32 |
| jZed | and thanks for all your help, I thought you were a PB | 19:32 |
| jZed | oh man, that FAQ is nice, how'd I miss it? | 19:34 |
| jZed | crythias++ | 19:34 |
| +crythias | I dunno. googling webgui faq | 19:35 |
| +crythias | (same one) | 19:35 |
| +crythias | within reason, most of the common questions are answered. Heck, I even reference it time to time... | 19:36 |
| jZed | ok I have a folder made into a package, how do I add assets to it? go to package then new content? any way to add all at once? | 19:43 |
| +crythias | deploy the folder, add assets, package folder | 19:44 |
| jZed | what does deploy mean in that context? | 19:45 |
| +crythias | it means you shouldn't have made a package without adding assets first | 19:45 |
| +crythias | but then you deploy a package the same way as deploy assets | 19:45 |
| jZed | ah, create folder, use new content to add assets to it, make it package, later deploy that package for other users | 19:46 |
| +crythias | but I recommend page layout instead of folder | 19:46 |
| jZed | but only way to add assets is one at a time? | 19:46 |
| jZed | that's great when I want a minimal UI | 19:47 |
| +crythias | except when deployed as a package | 19:47 |
| jZed | but right now I want sandboxen for my team so they should have everything | 19:47 |
| +crythias | should they need a poll and photogallery in their package or should they be allowed to add that at their leisure? | 19:48 |
| +crythias | how much time will they spend deleting stuff in a package? | 19:48 |
| jZed | duh, ok I see, for the admin people, they don't really need a package, they just add stuff themselves from the panel | 19:48 |
| jZed | or they need a minimal package to start? | 19:49 |
| +crythias | that is a question that you must answer | 19:49 |
| +crythias | at minimum, IMO, they should have a page layout with permissions only for the dev group en masse or per developer. | 19:50 |
| +crythias | either the dev group have the same sandbox or multiple devs have their own sandbox... | 19:50 |
| jZed | ok, sounds right | 19:50 |
| jZed | I'd want multiple devs with their own | 19:51 |
| +crythias | so their "site" will be a Page Layout with the devuser1group having edit permissions. | 19:51 |
| +crythias | devuser2group, etc. | 19:51 |
| +crythias | what stuff they have access to on the admin bar is based upon devuser1's UILevel and config options in yourdomain.conf | 19:52 |
| jZed | and what they do on their "site" has no impact on the main site itself or the other sandboxes | 19:52 |
| +crythias | only the standard latency of database.. :) | 19:53 |
| +crythias | but, cosmetically, no. | 19:53 |
| jZed | excellent | 19:53 |
| +crythias | as long as you have the permissions set properly. | 19:53 |
| +crythias | btw, the permission model is explicit and not minimum or inherited. | 19:54 |
| +crythias | sorta. | 19:54 |
| +crythias | that is, if you say "Visitors" are the group that can can view a site, "Registered Users" won't be able to do that. | 19:54 |
| +crythias | Admin is a member of every group. | 19:56 |
| +crythias | membership of a group is always explicit by direct membership or subgroup membership. | 19:57 |
| jZed | so in my case, I would be Admin with full rights to the main "site"; the devs would be admins with full rights to their own sites, but not to main; we could have a staging area where all devs have rights | 19:58 |
| +crythias | yes | 19:58 |
| +crythias | but again I point to the UILevel... if a user's UI level isn't high enough, they won't be able to do specific things in the admin console. | 19:59 |
| jZed | right, devs are 9guru, I'll figure what lower one I want later for users | 19:59 |
| jZed | should I make an explicit link on the page layout package for devs that goes to the 'main site"? | 20:01 |
| +crythias | chances are, that may already be part of the default layout's navigation. | 20:01 |
| +crythias | default page layout | 20:01 |
| jZed | ah, sure | 20:01 |
| jZed | and the page layout should be "hide from nav" so the devs can get anywhere on the nav but only they can get to their sandbox | 20:04 |
| +crythias | well.. | 20:04 |
| +crythias | doesn't have to be hide from nav | 20:04 |
| +crythias | why, gerald, why? | 20:05 |
| jZed | oh right, just don't give view perms | 20:05 |
| +crythias | bingo | 20:05 |
| jZed | excellent | 20:05 |
| jZed | so we can navigate to each others sandboxes but the public will never see any of it | 20:06 |
| +crythias | well... | 20:06 |
| jZed | if I do the groups right | 20:06 |
| +crythias | you might consider a devviewgroup | 20:06 |
| +crythias | containing all devuser#groups | 20:06 |
| +crythias | or actually only devusers | 20:07 |
| +crythias | no point in subgrouping at this level. | 20:07 |
| @preaction-m | to be honest though, wouldn't it be best to have a dev server? development could potentially stop/crash the entire system | 20:07 |
| @preaction-m | or are these just design devs? | 20:07 |
| +crythias | sure. | 20:07 |
| +crythias | design devs. app devs should have their own box. | 20:08 |
| +crythias | 'cause they'll be stopping and restarting apache constantly. | 20:08 |
| +crythias | unless using Apache::Refresh or something | 20:08 |
| @preaction-m | or using Apache2::Reload | 20:08 |
| +crythias | that | 20:08 |
| @preaction-m | i think i'd die without it :p | 20:08 |
| jZed | for now it's all just dev, eventually yes, two different boxes | 20:08 |
| jZed | btw, I know I'll need to stop/restart apache and spectre all the time, but there's nothing that will impact other apaches or the shared mysql or the box as a whole is there? | 20:09 |
| jZed | I have a separate webgui-apache instance | 20:10 |
| jZed | this is unfortunately a prod box for other stuff | 20:10 |
| jZed | and dev box for us | 20:11 |
| @preaction-m | no, the only apache you'd have to restart would be wG's modperl one, and only to reload the modules, which is why Apache2::Reload works well | 20:13 |
| jZed | great | 20:13 |
| +crythias | he's not using wre, but the rest is valid | 20:13 |
| jZed | but I am using mod_perl and Apache2::Request | 20:14 |
| @preaction-m | even if not using the wre, the apache instance that is running wG/mod_perl is the one that needs to be restarted | 20:14 |
| +crythias | 'xactly | 20:14 |
| jZed | right, my webgui-apache is completely separate and has it's own start/stop | 20:15 |
| jZed | and I'm sharing the mysql with the prod stuff from the other clients but that shouldn't matter since everything's within my_site_com database, right? | 20:16 |
| +crythias | yes | 20:16 |
| +crythias | unless you decide to stop mysql :) | 20:18 |
| +crythias | but why would you want to do that? | 20:18 |
| jZed | I think I'll go by the "then don't do that" advice :-) | 20:19 |
| +crythias | I mean... it's not as if rc.webgui stops mysql every time... | 20:19 |
| +crythias | oops. | 20:19 |
| @preaction-m | sshh! you've said too much! | 20:19 |
| jZed | yeah, well I don't plan on running rc.webgui :-) | 20:20 |
| +crythias | (it's part of WRE) | 20:20 |
| jZed | yeah I know | 20:20 |
| jZed | and I know it stops the db | 20:21 |
| +crythias | btw: preaction-m, it's not unreasonable to at least *try* to grep mysql /etc/passwd before trying to continue setup | 20:22 |
| jZed | heh, I did that | 20:22 |
| @preaction-m | if i had free range to actually work on the WRE, it would be getting better :p, that's JT's pidgin | 20:23 |
| jZed | also make sure there isn't a prexisting mysql database named my_site_com | 20:23 |
| +crythias | I was thinking we could rename SPECTRE to CHAD | 20:23 |
| @preaction-m | right now he's trying to figure out if he can compile static binaries for all linux-type systems | 20:23 |
| @preaction-m | Can't Handle Anything Decently? | 20:23 |
| +crythias | just thinking about it hanging. | 20:23 |
| +crythias | preaction-m: I am trying to work on a VM image on top of *gasp* smoothwall. | 20:24 |
| +crythias | unfortunately, the worst of it is that the RHEL4 apache install is compiled on 2.3.6 glibc and the smoothwall has 2.3.2 glibc | 20:25 |
| +crythias | but the mysql binary does work, after much library updates. | 20:26 |
| @preaction-m | yet another distro i've never heard of but seems nice | 20:27 |
| +crythias | not exactly a distro per se. more like a hardened linux that acts as a firewall. | 20:27 |
| +crythias | of course, I'm stretching its intentions fairly hard by trying to install WRE RHEL on it.. | 20:28 |
| +crythias | hmm. maybe I should be successful with RHEL3... | 20:28 |
| +crythias | if I trust that RHEL3 is in 2.3.2, that should work nice. | 20:29 |
| @preaction-m | to upgrade the WRE, all you have to do is untar the new over the old and run setup again, no? | 20:30 |
| * preaction-m sometimes feels unworthy of his @ | 20:30 | |
| jZed | there's no prob if I upgrade some of the supporting libraries ... e.g. get the latest YUI.js | 20:32 |
| jZed | in extras/ or wherever it is | 20:32 |
| @preaction-m | might break existing stuff, maybe better to put it in a different part of /extras | 20:32 |
| @preaction-m | i suppose i should inquire about how we're planning on keeping Yui up-to-date | 20:33 |
| jZed | k, I could do that and test | 20:33 |
| jZed | yeah YUI is fortunately a fast moving target | 20:33 |
| jZed | what's the easiest way to rearrange site structure e.g. if I want to move "getting started, your next step" etc. into a submenu called "WebGUI Info Pages" | 21:22 |
| @preaction-m | use the copy/paste functions of the clipboard | 21:27 |
| @preaction-m | on the asset manager admin console page | 21:27 |
| jZed | cool, thanks | 21:27 |
| jZed | hmm, well that seems to copy page layouts, not the assets on them, is there a way to move a whole page and all of its assets somewhere else? | 22:06 |
| ckotil | cut & paste should work recursively | 22:07 |
| perlm | ckotil yes, it should work that way everywhere. | 23:22 |
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| +crythias | seele u l8r | 23:37 |
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| @preaction-m | perlbot phone 6142554500 | 00:32 |
| perlbot | Phonenumber.com listing for (614) 255-4500: The game manufacturers association, 280 N High St, Columbus, OH 43215 | 00:32 |
| jZed | can I make http://mysite.com/ behave the same as http://mysite.com/home? Settings Default Home Page doesn't do that | 00:57 |
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| jZed | I have set up a site and sandboxes for my developers, I am a happy camper, thanks preaction++ and crythias++ for your help | 03:23 |
| Radix-wrk | I used virtualpc/vmware for my sandboxes | 03:39 |
| Radix-wrk | really easy to do with the wre I found :) | 03:40 |
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| +crythia1 | jZed: cool on a rope. | 03:46 |
| +crythia1 | darnish | 03:48 |
| +crythia1 | Radix_ are you responsive? | 03:48 |
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| +crythia1 | hey | 03:56 |
| +crythia1 | um. do you know what smoothwall is, Radix? | 03:57 |
| Radix-wrk | yah | 04:08 |
| Radix-wrk | it's a linux based firewall appliance really - linux distro specifically designed as a firewall/router | 04:09 |
| Radix-wrk | much like ipcop, etc | 04:09 |
| +crythia1 | I'm trying to somehow patch webgui into it. | 04:09 |
| Radix-wrk | lol | 04:09 |
| +crythia1 | specifically, into a vmplayer. | 04:09 |
| +crythia1 | image | 04:10 |
| Radix-wrk | Hmm.. sounds like a decent job | 04:10 |
| Radix-wrk | I haven't played with smoothwall/ipcop for years myself | 04:10 |
| +crythia1 | hint: rhel4 is not working 'cause of glibc | 04:10 |
| +crythia1 | that is, rhel4 wre | 04:11 |
| Radix-wrk | yeah.. smoothwall is pretty ancient kernel/system wise I'll bet | 04:11 |
| +crythia1 | just ancient enough to be stable. | 04:12 |
| Radix-wrk | what kernel is it using? | 04:13 |
| +crythia1 | 2.3 | 04:14 |
| +crythia1 | 2.4 | 04:14 |
| Radix-wrk | and using libc6 or something I expect | 04:14 |
| +crythia1 | 2.3.2 | 04:15 |
| +crythia1 | but rhel has 2.3.6 | 04:15 |
| +crythia1 | I am trying the rhel3 wre now. | 04:16 |
| +crythia1 | the big thing was that there were some libc++ things | 04:17 |
| +crythia1 | mysql ran ok after I added appropriate dependencies. | 04:17 |
| Radix-wrk | Well good luck with it. I've not ever really delved into that kind of thing before. | 04:17 |
| Radix-wrk | I'm playing with OS's of a different kind here.. just installed the final Windows Vista on my desktop and giving it a go for day to day work. (and testing our software/installers at the same time) | 04:18 |
| +crythia1 | it's kinda weird... i'm feeding the libs piecemeal | 04:18 |
| Radix-wrk | So.. the big question.. why? | 04:19 |
| +crythia1 | :) | 04:20 |
| Radix-wrk | On that note.. I do think webgui needs a vmware appliance for it. That would rock. | 04:21 |
| Radix-wrk | vmware server + webgui appliance = damn fast install for nothing | 04:22 |
| +crythia1 | hm... firewall+proxy+content filter+email filter+webgui+full firewall control | 04:23 |
| +crythia1 | for nothing? | 04:23 |
| Radix-wrk | vmware server = free, webgui = free | 04:23 |
| +crythia1 | oh. I thought you meant for no reason ... for some reason | 04:24 |
| Radix-wrk | must be aussie slang "for nothing" = "for no cost" | 04:25 |
| Radix-wrk | :) | 04:25 |
| +crythia1 | no, I could understand if I actually paid attention. | 04:25 |
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| ckotil | ugh. it took 30 minutes for a commit version to be processed. and it was only 1 stinking (45k) html file that was uploaded | 16:10 |
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| ckotil | my sites get pounded by people asking for smileys_pack.php . i know it must be an exploit. anyone seeing this? | 17:38 |
| ckotil | [Wed Nov 22 15:37:59 2006] [error] [client 66.103.152.111] File does not exist: /gnoc/globalnoc/htdocs/WebGUI/www/extras/smileys_packs.php | 17:38 |
| ckotil | [Wed Nov 22 15:38:11 2006] [error] [client 140.114.71.129] File does not exist: /gnoc/globalnoc/htdocs/WebGUI/www/extras/smileys_packs.php | 17:38 |
| ckotil | and it goes on like that for miles | 17:38 |
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| jZed | hey perlm, congratulate me, I have a dev site up and running | 19:11 |
| perlm | that is awesome! | 19:12 |
| perlm | Got WRE working? | 19:12 |
| jZed | I almost had it working but crythias told me I shouldn't use it on a box with other apaches and mysqls so I went for the source install | 19:13 |
| jZed | I have a dedicated apache/mod_perl for wG but it shares the mysql with other apps | 19:13 |
| +crythias | ckotil: um. did you simply try googling smileys_packs.php? | 19:15 |
| +crythias | the very first thing is "PHP remote file inclusion vulnerability in images/smileys..." | 19:15 |
| ckotil | ya. i got some good info on it | 19:15 |
| ckotil | nothing too useful | 19:15 |
| ckotil | just dont run phpmyteam , or whatever it is | 19:16 |
| +crythias | I believe you could use mod_rewrite or somesuch to block requests from those requesting that file. | 19:16 |
| ckotil | ah, interesting. now that is useful. thanks | 19:16 |
| jZed | do you know how hitting / gives a wG page with a login but hitting /home gives a plain login over your own home page? Anyway to make / behave the same as /home? mod_rewrite? | 19:16 |
| perlm | cacheing | 19:17 |
| perlm | caching | 19:17 |
| perlm | hit reload on the page | 19:17 |
| ckotil | or try going to /home?func=manageAssets | 19:17 |
| ckotil | see what that brings up | 19:17 |
| ckotil | sounds like access to the asset is being prevented | 19:18 |
| +crythias | mod_security ? | 19:18 |
| perlm | I just tried / and /home on my server and got the exact same page....but if I login into /home I would have to manually reload / so it would acknolwedge my login. | 19:18 |
| jZed | yeah, reload works, but what about new users? when I tell my CEO to go look at the site, I want them to see the site as the first thing, not an ad for wG | 19:18 |
| +crythias | change the start page in ui | 19:18 |
| +crythias | settings | 19:18 |
| +crythias | sorry | 19:19 |
| perlm | turn off caching | 19:19 |
| jZed | been there, done that, start page and error page are both set to Home | 19:19 |
| jZed | in settings | 19:19 |
| perlm | unless you are getting multiple hits per second, it is just burning cpu time. | 19:19 |
| +crythias | oh, yeah, and I know this happens with IE | 19:19 |
| jZed | this is FF | 19:19 |
| +crythias | I've noticed credential cacheing problems with WebGUI... | 19:20 |
| +crythias | ckotil: http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/apache/2003/11/26/mod_security.html | 19:20 |
| +crythias | usually, though, a f5 will recognize. | 19:20 |
| perlm | force SSL :) | 19:21 |
| ckotil | thx | 19:27 |
| +crythias | should be noted that there apparently is a mod_security2 for apache2... | 19:28 |
| @preaction-m | did you commit your changes? | 19:39 |
| jZed | .oO(if my .conf tells wG not to handle .mas files, and my apache knows .mas files should be handled by Mason, and I use template incldue to include a .mas file in a wG page ... ) | 19:49 |
| +crythias | perlhandler WebGUI mucks a lot up. use passthruUrl config option. | 19:50 |
| jZed | I figure I'd have a perlhandler WebGUI and a perlhandler Mason and passthruUrl .mas for wG, and then template include the .mas in a wG template | 19:52 |
| @preaction-m | i don't believe you can just passthru certain files, you need an entire directory | 19:52 |
| +crythias | there's also a possibility to <Location>SetHandler ... something</location> in your vh | 19:53 |
| jZed | yeah, I could do it with /mason/* instead of *.mas | 19:53 |
| jZed | if I edit a built-in template e.g DropMenu on a subpage, that only alters it for the subpage, not for the whole site, right? | 20:02 |
| @preaction-m | don't edit built-in templates | 20:02 |
| @preaction-m | make new ones | 20:02 |
| jZed | makes sense | 20:02 |
| @preaction-m | built-in templates can be overwritten by upgrades (when we find bugs in them) | 20:03 |
| @preaction-m | even if it's just copying the built-in one and changing a single character, it's far safer | 20:03 |
| jZed | so my changes would still have the bugs :-) | 20:03 |
| +crythias | if you edit a template it affects every instance that uses the template. | 20:03 |
| @preaction-m | but it's markup, you can do markup no? | 20:03 |
| @preaction-m | from experience though: keep wG updated. set aside a day or two each month to do upgrades. | 20:04 |
| jZed | markup, is that like when you elevate one of the gospel writers? | 20:04 |
| @preaction-m | HTML, the M is for Markup :p | 20:04 |
| +crythias | yeah.. next is lukeup and then, if you're really good, johnup | 20:04 |
| @preaction-m | nobody ever talks about judasup... | 20:05 |
| +crythias | I thought I saw him hanging around somewhere... | 20:05 |
| jZed | groups are really cool, creating a group X for user X to restrict editing to that user, etc. ... I wonder how I'd go about making a group for "the friends of X" | 20:09 |
| +crythias | they are members of x | 20:09 |
| +crythias | group x | 20:09 |
| jZed | well I'd want X for just the user and XF for friends of user so e.g. X could edit and XF could view, and everyone else can't view | 20:10 |
| +crythias | or they are members of friends of x, but what's the point? friends of x are viewers or editors. if they're editors, they're part of group X | 20:10 |
| +crythias | yeah. | 20:10 |
| +crythias | so.. two groups pp, then. | 20:11 |
| jZed | and figure someway to automate it so when X invties Y to be a friend, that auto adds Y to XF | 20:11 |
| +crythias | give 'em the link... | 20:12 |
| +crythias | groupadd macro | 20:12 |
| jZed | and user-creation auto creates both X and XF | 20:12 |
| +crythias | but shh.. don't share | 20:12 |
| jZed | groupaddmacro, that's the ticket | 20:12 |
| jZed | so the only thing I need to do is make X and XF and a groupadd link part of the package which gets deployed for all new users | 20:13 |
| jZed | I don't need to explicitly add the Admin nick to groups, do I? | 20:17 |
| jZed | even if I remove Admins from groups in this group | 20:17 |
| jZed | I created group jzucker-friends with "users can add/remove selves" checked, I put a macro in an article: GroupAdd('jzucker-friends','please be my friend'); ... logged in as user not in that group, but there was no button :-( | 20:50 |
| jZed | if you guys mind me talking to myself like this, please let me know :-) | 20:51 |
| jZed | and help macros list of available shows GroupAdd() as available | 21:02 |
| +crythias | um. | 21:24 |
| +crythias | jZed: admin is default a member of every group. groups don't inherit the rights of their members. | 21:25 |
| +crythias | you shouldn't remove admin from a group. | 21:25 |
| +crythias | and macros need to be called as: ^Macro(param); | 21:25 |
| jZed | didn't remove admin from group, removed Admins from Groups in this Group, and ^GroupAdd('join','click to join'); is valid syntax, no? | 21:28 |
| +crythias | seems like. I gtg do something... | 21:36 |
| jZed | k, thanks, bye | 21:36 |
| jZed | is there a way to define who can insert a macro in a page? | 21:58 |
| @preaction-m | not that i'm aware of | 21:59 |
| jZed | so all macros are available to everyone? | 21:59 |
| @preaction-m | certain assets are sanitized | 21:59 |
| @preaction-m | you'd probably have to add sanitation to other assets | 21:59 |
| jZed | so something like Execute() is off by default for a reason :-) | 22:00 |
| jZed | and SQL() | 22:01 |
| ckotil | probably. its pretty easy to create a macro to do basically the same thing | 22:14 |
| ckotil | wobject is a bit tougher | 22:14 |
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| jZed | is a macro an asset? i.e. could I put it in assetAddPrivilege in .conf? if it doesn't work that way, it should, if a macro is listed in there, only people of the specified UI level can use the macro though everyone who can view the page can view the results | 01:51 |
| @preaction | a macro is just a piece of text, how can you stop a person from entering certain text? | 01:59 |
| jZed | you don't, you stop the app from interpreting the text unless the person who entered the text is of a certain UI level so they enter ^SQL(...); but all that happens is it prints ^SQL(...); | 02:01 |
| @preaction | so you're supposed to keep track of who entered the macro into the article? | 02:01 |
| @preaction | the macro isn't interpreted THEN stored, it's stored THEN interpreted | 02:02 |
| jZed | you must already know the name of the person submitting the new or changed article | 02:02 |
| jZed | so don't store it | 02:02 |
| jZed | if the person is the right UI | 02:02 |
| @preaction | but macros have dynamic data, they need to be stored | 02:02 |
| jZed | if the person is correct UI, store it, don't if not | 02:03 |
| @preaction | so if a person wants to change an article, but they can't use a certain macro, they just broke the macro | 02:03 |
| jZed | ? | 02:03 |
| @preaction | look at the database for your article, you'll see that the macro is in there as "^Macro();" | 02:04 |
| @preaction | every time the template is processed, the macros are processed | 02:04 |
| @preaction | this must be done because of dynamic data, such as session IDs, user IDs, etc... | 02:04 |
| jZed | sure | 02:04 |
| @preaction | so now if we decide to only allow certain people to submit assets with certain macros | 02:05 |
| @preaction | anyone who is allowed to edit an asset with a macro they are not allowed to submit will break things | 02:05 |
| @preaction | a person who IS allowed to submit that macro will have to go back and fix it | 02:05 |
| @preaction | every time | 02:05 |
| jZed | nope | 02:05 |
| jZed | ok, nevermind, it's just an idea | 02:06 |
| @preaction | you'll instead want to create a Wobject that will do what you want, checking permissions and the like | 02:08 |
| jZed | yep | 02:08 |
| @preaction | imho, the Macro system has reached the limit of its potential, and indeed has one major flaw that cannot be fixed (it's given a session object, not the asset object of the asset it's in) | 02:09 |
| jZed | yep, needs both | 02:10 |
| @preaction | just the asset, asset contains the session | 02:10 |
| jZed | oh, then swell | 02:10 |
| @preaction | the proliferation of the session object is near universal | 02:10 |
| jZed | is there a feature like wikis have where you can mark a section for special parsing e.g. #pod# ... #/pod# would get run through pod2HTML | 02:11 |
| @preaction | that would be a macro | 02:11 |
| jZed | yeah, more or less, just easier to do because you don't need to put the content inside quotes | 02:12 |
| jZed | is there anyway to hide the admin console completely from a user but still allow them to edit their own page? | 02:13 |
| jZed | assuming save&commit is turned on | 02:13 |
| @preaction | you could remove the ^AdminBar(); macros, but clicking Edit on an asset will still allow the console to be seen | 02:14 |
| @preaction | in the future, the ^AdminBar(); may become the only Admin Console, and then that would work | 02:15 |
| jZed | how about an auto-commit so when the user saves and commits it does the next step of saving the version tag automatically? | 02:17 |
| jZed | # not that I think version tags are going to confuse users :-) | 02:17 |
| @preaction | that would have to be built into the asset | 02:18 |
| @preaction | like Post and Thread (and soon Event) assets have | 02:18 |
| jZed | i c, that makes sense | 02:18 |
| @preaction | You're building a myspace-like app, no? | 02:19 |
| jZed | yep | 02:20 |
| @preaction | I think your best bet might be to just make a Wobject for the user's administration, and this Wobject will do all the adding/editing of assets for the user. You can even use the Asset->getEditForm() to display the edit form outside of the admin console if desired | 02:21 |
| @preaction | then you can use existing wG assets, and the major development will be only the administration part | 02:22 |
| @preaction | each user would have their own instance of the administration that only they can use | 02:22 |
| @preaction | you're going to have to neuter a lot of stuff though, because you won't want normal users doing certain things | 02:23 |
| jZed | hmm, yes that would work eventually, at first I think I just want to give everyone a profile, a blog, a photo gallery, a video gallery, and not let them add anything else | 02:23 |
| jZed | so they don't need any New Content, I can shut that off in .conf | 02:24 |
| @preaction | but they need to edit content | 02:24 |
| jZed | yep | 02:24 |
| @preaction | and for that, they'll see things they should not be allowed to see | 02:24 |
| @preaction | (such as the Admin console) | 02:24 |
| jZed | but at UI all they see is assets and version tags and some harmless things | 02:25 |
| jZed | UI 0 | 02:25 |
| @preaction | so those things do work | 02:25 |
| jZed | I'd like for none of them to be there | 02:25 |
| @preaction | never tried them | 02:25 |
| jZed | oh wait | 02:25 |
| jZed | if they have the assets button on the admin console | 02:25 |
| jZed | maybe they can add assets from there, let me check | 02:26 |
| @preaction | most likely | 02:26 |
| @preaction | but there's no need to neuter that, give users POWER so they have a reason to switch from myspace | 02:26 |
| jZed | that's a good point | 02:27 |
| @preaction | to be honest i forgot that uiLevels existed, they'd work well and for what they couldn't cover (certain admin functions that must only apply to their section) make the administration Wobject | 02:28 |
| @preaction | if you create a skeleton for them, hell, create a few different skeletons for them, they'll have something basic to grow off of | 02:28 |
| jZed | yep | 02:28 |
| @preaction | but when the user clicks "Edit", they still get the right side thing that says "Show Admin Console" no? | 02:31 |
| @preaction | and that's what we're trying to get rid of? | 02:31 |
| jZed | yep | 02:31 |
| @preaction | you can make a wobject to handle that using the getEditForm() thing (i hope). make an instance of it, pass in the URL of the asset they're editing as a parameter | 02:32 |
| @preaction | getEditForm should return a WebGUI::Tabform | 02:33 |
| @preaction | the www_edit() method puts the Admin Console stuff around it iirc | 02:33 |
| @preaction | yeah... that's probably going to have to be how it's done | 02:35 |
| jZed | ok thanks, I'll have to play with Wobject a bit to understand what you said, but that gives me a direction | 02:35 |
| @preaction | Assets can be assigned uilevels no? | 02:37 |
| jZed | yes | 02:37 |
| @preaction | so like, users can only see what assets their uilevel allows | 02:37 |
| @preaction | okay | 02:37 |
| jZed | cool | 02:39 |
| jZed | if I set the UI for all assets to 9, they see assets in the admin bar but when they click it, they get permission denied | 02:39 |
| jZed | well, I'm off, thanks for all your help, I'm feeling good about wG, was begining to doubt for a while, but it's slick | 03:13 |
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| Radix-wrk | mornin' | 04:01 |
| +crythia1 | top of the bottom of the world to ya | 04:01 |
| +crythia1 | Oh, yeah.. you're not jZed :) | 04:02 |
| jZed | I heard that :-) # sorry :-( | 04:54 |
| +crythia1 | hee | 05:00 |
| jZed | I'll be givin back soon, so I don't mind taking a bunch now | 05:01 |
| jZed | but also feel free to tell me to shutup whenever it's appropriate :-) | 05:01 |
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| +crythia1 | :) | 05:09 |
| +crythia1 | Can I just say that Fosters is a lousy beer? | 05:10 |
| +crythia1 | Just sayin'... | 05:11 |
| +crythia1 | Australian for smells like eggs. | 05:11 |
| +crythia1 | newest pet peeve: movie video ads that look like regular videos with no indication that they're not vids... stupid everything has triangles in the middle of circles. | 05:16 |
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| Radix-wrk | crythia1, Of course Fosters is a lousy beer - why do you think we export it! | 06:19 |
| Radix-wrk | We keep the good beers to ourselves :) | 06:20 |
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| +crythias | Kangaroo steaks | 16:07 |
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| +crythias | wow... | 16:34 |
| Radix | kangaroo steaks are very nice actually | 16:34 |
| Radix | more tender than beef, very juicy too | 16:34 |
| +crythias | and since they're apparently as populous as rodents, this isn't a horrible thing... :) | 16:35 |
| Radix | aye :) | 16:35 |
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| +crythias | hmm | 16:38 |
| +crythias | apparently there's an error in something.. | 16:38 |
| +crythias | EventManagemetnSystem | 16:39 |
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| +crythias | preaction, preaction-m EventManagementBug on upgrade... do you know about it? | 17:54 |
| +crythias | I'm beginning to appreciate Ruby on Rails a lot more... | 17:56 |
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| jZed | ok, this has me really freaked out, I changed UI on settings from Admin Console to Help and now I only get a blank page when I go into settings so I can't set it back ... can I run some SQL to change that setting back? | 19:27 |
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| jZed | Radix, my settings page disappeared (after I selected Help as Admin Console UI), can I turn it back on with SQL or .conf somehow? | 19:56 |
| jZed | also all the editing pages are blank (can't edit anything at all) | 20:00 |
| jZed | the entire site fubared with one click and no indication of how to get it back | 20:02 |
| jZed | alright, "select * from settings where name = 'AdminConsoleTemplate' shows PBtmplHelp000000000001 | 20:13 |
| jZed | so I wonder what the value is for the normal admin console | 20:13 |
| jZed | setting it to NULL doesn't help | 20:25 |
| jZed | phew, grepped docs/create.sql and found PBtmpl0000000000000001 | 20:30 |
| jZed | did a mysql update on that row and I have my settings back | 20:30 |
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| cap10morgan | what's the recommended way to access a different database (i.e. not the webgui one) from a wobject? | 21:21 |
| cap10morgan | the guy who wrote this code is just doing "use DBI;" and connecting to it (it's the same server, just a different schema) | 21:21 |
| cap10morgan | but that seems... wrong, somehow | 21:21 |
| cap10morgan | ah, i should be using a database link | 21:44 |
| cap10morgan | :) | 21:44 |
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| perlm | Are production machines supposed to be keeping pace with all these stable releases? | 19:13 |
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| ckotil | what group must a user be in to turn be able to view the asset manager? | 23:35 |
| ckotil | All i can figure is that they have to be an Admin | 23:36 |
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| JIggie | yoooo | 00:25 |
| JIggie | peoples | 00:25 |
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| Jiggie | xdanger | 00:25 |
| Jiggie | u must klnow this | 00:25 |
| xdanger | do tell | 00:26 |
| Jiggie | ok | 00:33 |
| Jiggie | i upgraded a 6.2.11 site to the latest | 00:33 |
| Jiggie | now i have a small issue | 00:33 |
| Jiggie | the old site=running redhat= hostname company | 00:34 |
| Jiggie | new site=redhat es4=hostname company1 | 00:34 |
| Jiggie | when i go to copmpany1 the main page shows fine | 00:34 |
| Jiggie | but everylink points to company | 00:34 |
| Jiggie | instaead of company1 | 00:34 |
| Jiggie | how can i change then sitewide | 00:34 |
| Jiggie | xdanger, did u get that | 00:36 |
| xdanger | Jiggie: that is in the configs, sitename or something... | 00:37 |
| xdanger | or you could trigger the setting in you admin console setting to use the env-setting | 00:37 |
| Jiggie | how | 00:40 |
| Jiggie | i dont see it on the admins console | 00:41 |
| Jiggie | which file do i have to look | 00:44 |
| xdanger | admin console -> settings -> Miscellaneous -> Host To Use | 00:46 |
| xdanger | your siteconfig file | 00:46 |
| Jiggie | instead of Env http host | 00:48 |
| Jiggie | then what do i do with that | 00:49 |
| xdanger | env http host should work | 00:49 |
| xdanger | you did have that in there? | 00:49 |
| Jiggie | they dont work | 00:49 |
| Jiggie | which file should i look for | 00:49 |
| xdanger | that reads the sitename from your apache config | 00:50 |
| xdanger | are the links hardcoded in your data? | 00:50 |
| Jiggie | let me check | 00:50 |
| Jiggie | the file still has the old copmany instead of company1.com unser webgui/etc | 00:52 |
| Jiggie | now i have this issue | 01:18 |
| Jiggie | Can't call method "prepare" on an undefined value at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/SQL.pm line 446. | 01:18 |
| Jiggie | anyone | 01:21 |
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| ckotil | what group must a user be in to turn be able to view the asset manager? | 15:46 |
| +crythias | it may be a UI level issue. | 16:19 |
| ckotil | ah. ill check that | 16:26 |
| ckotil | i had to add the user to admin, which i didnt want to do | 16:26 |
| ckotil | nah he still needs to be Admins | 16:27 |
| Jiggie | i just tried that also | 16:29 |
| Jiggie | and admin seems to work | 16:29 |
| Jiggie | i guess i must trust the user | 16:29 |
| Jiggie | lol | 16:29 |
| Jiggie | crythias, when u get back im | 16:30 |
| +crythias | jiggie ok | 16:31 |
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| Jiggie | yoo | 20:21 |
| Jiggie | anyone around | 20:21 |
| Jiggie | that can hlp me | 20:21 |
| * jZed is around, dunno if /me can help | 20:22 | |
| Jiggie | how can i fix this | 20:22 |
| Jiggie | Can't call method "prepare" on an undefined value at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/SQL.pm line 446. | 20:22 |
| jZed | you don't have a database connection | 20:23 |
| Jiggie | but mysql starts fine | 20:23 |
| jZed | or are trying to prepare something other than an sth | 20:23 |
| jZed | what caused it? | 20:23 |
| Jiggie | well webgui says mysql started fine | 20:23 |
| Jiggie | the hard got full | 20:23 |
| Jiggie | no more space | 20:24 |
| Jiggie | and it stoppped working | 20:24 |
| jZed | clean up space, shutdown apache and spectre, restart them? | 20:24 |
| Jiggie | i did | 20:24 |
| Jiggie | still | 20:24 |
| jZed | so when does the error occur? | 20:25 |
| jZed | you enabled the SQL macro? | 20:25 |
| Jiggie | nope | 20:26 |
| Jiggie | it just happens when trying to go to the page | 20:26 |
| Jiggie | the page does not come up | 20:26 |
| Jiggie | we had this issue a while back when the power went out | 20:26 |
| Jiggie | but did so many things cant remember how to fix it | 20:26 |
| jZed | can you run mysql from the command line? | 20:27 |
| jZed | oh, and did you look at /var/log/webgui.log? | 20:28 |
| Jiggie | i tried but it says cound not find mysqld PID | 20:28 |
| jZed | what OS? | 20:28 |
| jZed | try ps aux | grep mysql | 20:28 |
| jZed | or whatever its equivalent is on your OS | 20:28 |
| Jiggie | redhat | 20:30 |
| Jiggie | es 4 | 20:30 |
| jZed | did mysqld show up with ps? | 20:31 |
| Jiggie | nope | 20:31 |
| Jiggie | only after i start it manually again | 20:31 |
| jZed | once you restart it, does that fix the wG problem? | 20:32 |
| Jiggie | nope | 20:32 |
| Jiggie | i wish | 20:32 |
| jZed | what's in /var/log/webgui.log? | 20:32 |
| Jiggie | nothing much | 20:36 |
| Jiggie | just the last person that logged in and added a file | 20:36 |
| Jiggie | then it died | 20:36 |
| jZed | hmm, and you restarted everything after you got mysqld started manually? | 20:37 |
| Jiggie | let ,e check | 20:39 |
| Jiggie | i'm going to re-check everything | 20:42 |
| jZed | k, I'll be around | 20:42 |
| @preaction-m | jiggie: are you running the wre? | 20:52 |
| Jiggie | yeah | 20:54 |
| Jiggie | it says mysql pID could not be found | 20:54 |
| Jiggie | i start webgui and it says everything si fine | 20:54 |
| Jiggie | but then i do a ps -ef |grep http, lots of stuff come on | 20:55 |
| Jiggie | but if i do ps -ef |grep mysql or mysqld nothign happens | 20:55 |
| jZed | mysqld errors don't show up in rc.webgui | 20:55 |
| Jiggie | then i start it manually and i can find it but it says mysql PID could not be found | 20:55 |
| @preaction-m | you have to use "it" less and be more specific | 20:58 |
| @preaction-m | try "which mysql" | 20:58 |
| @preaction-m | and you want ps au | grep "mysqld" | 20:58 |
| @preaction-m | mysql is running as the user "mysql" | 20:59 |
| Jiggie | ok will try that | 20:59 |
| Jiggie | give me a sec | 20:59 |
| Jiggie | her eis the first thing we got | 20:59 |
| Jiggie | https://www.plainblack.com/etcetera/power-failure/3 | 20:59 |
| @preaction-m | so you're saying that it hasn't worked for 5 months? | 21:01 |
| jZed | say, preaction, is there an ER or UML diagram of the webgui database anywhere to be found? | 21:04 |
| @preaction-m | jZed: not that I'm aware of | 21:05 |
| jZed | ok, I'll try to make one from the SQL | 21:05 |
| Jiggie | it worked | 21:06 |
| Jiggie | but dont remember how i fixed it | 21:06 |
| Jiggie | ok i'm on the box remotelly | 21:11 |
| Jiggie | so i should look into the webguil.log | 21:11 |
| Jiggie | look for what | 21:11 |
| jZed | with WRE there are other logs I think | 21:11 |
| Jiggie | i try to connect to mysql and it give me thie | 21:12 |
| Jiggie | error 2002 | 21:12 |
| Jiggie | ..ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/tmp/mysql.sock' (111) | 21:13 |
| Jiggie | [webgui@JETS webgui]$ | 21:13 |
| @preaction-m | and what does "which mysql" say? | 21:16 |
| @preaction-m | perlbot enter | 21:17 |
| perlbot | Do not use the Enter key as punctuation. Think in complete thoughts, then type. | 21:17 |
| Jiggie | what do i type | 21:17 |
| @preaction-m | "which mysql" | 21:18 |
| Jiggie | 4 | 21:18 |
| @preaction-m | without quotes... | 21:18 |
| Jiggie | ok | 21:18 |
| Jiggie | .../data/wre/prereqs/mysql/bin/mysql | 21:18 |
| Jiggie | her eis what i get..../rc.webgui restart | 21:19 |
| Jiggie | mod_proxy Stopped | 21:19 |
| Jiggie | mod_perl Stopped | 21:19 |
| Jiggie | Stopping MySQL | 21:19 |
| Jiggie | MySQL PID file could not be found! [FAILED] | 21:19 |
| Jiggie | MySQL Stopped | 21:19 |
| Jiggie | MySQL Started | 21:19 |
| Jiggie | mod_perl Started | 21:19 |
| Jiggie | mod_proxy Started | 21:19 |
| @preaction-m | and `ps aux | grep "mysqld"` shows /data/wre/prereqs/mysql/sbin/mysqld runnig | 21:19 |
| @preaction-m | DO NOT PASTE LIKE THAT | 21:19 |
| Jiggie | ok | 21:19 |
| @preaction-m | perlbot paste | 21:19 |
| perlbot | Paste your code to http://sial.org/pbot/perl or http://erxz.com/pb and #perl will be able to view it. | 21:19 |
| @preaction-m | there's probably information in the mysql logs about failing to start | 21:20 |
| Jiggie | nothing come up | 21:21 |
| Jiggie | where do i go to get that info | 21:21 |
| @preaction-m | what version of the WRE? | 21:21 |
| Jiggie | well it was a hacked job by JT | 21:22 |
| Jiggie | wre 6.2.11 | 21:22 |
| @preaction-m | that's your webgui version, not your wre version | 21:22 |
| @preaction-m | but we'll just say it's old | 21:22 |
| @preaction-m | the error log should be in /data/wre/prereqs/mysql/var/`uname -n`.err | 21:23 |
| Jiggie | ok | 21:26 |
| Jiggie | log copied | 21:26 |
| Jiggie | to that site u told me | 21:26 |
| Jiggie | some access rights | 21:26 |
| Jiggie | preaction-m : are u able to see it | 21:27 |
| @preaction-m | ONE: Do NOT press enter every three words | 21:27 |
| @preaction-m | TWO: When using a paste site like that, you should really read the directions | 21:27 |
| @preaction-m | THREE: I need the URL | 21:27 |
| Jiggie | ok tot he first one, second her eis the link http://sial.org/pbot/21449 | 21:28 |
| @preaction-m | two means: when you clicked "Submit" you notified #perl about the paste, and they had no need to be notified | 21:29 |
| @preaction-m | the error at the bottom is simple: /data/wre/prereqs/mysql is not owned by the mysql user | 21:29 |
| @preaction-m | and/or the owner does not have rwx rights to the folder and all subfolders | 21:29 |
| Jiggie | what right should it have, 755 what are the proper rights to the mysql user | 21:32 |
| @preaction-m | if you do an ls -l /data/wre/prereqs, the mysql directory should be owned by "mysql" | 21:33 |
| Jiggie | its owned by the webgui user.. | 21:34 |
| jZed | woot! my lib/WebGUI/Asset/Template/MasonTemplate works! | 21:36 |
| Jiggie | so, then what... | 21:41 |
| @preaction-m | you haven't listened. it should be owned by the mysql user | 21:41 |
| jZed | the webgui mysql user or the apache user? | 21:41 |
| Jiggie | ok gave mysql ownership of that. so, now i should restart the webgui proccess | 21:49 |
| @preaction-m | you should start mysql | 21:52 |
| Jiggie | still get the MySQL PID file could not be found! [FAILED]. | 21:54 |
| @preaction-m | did you "start" or "restart" | 21:55 |
| Jiggie | i did ./rc.webgui startmysql | 21:57 |
| @preaction-m | is it running though? | 21:59 |
| Jiggie | nope | 22:01 |
| @preaction-m | and the error logs say? | 22:01 |
| Jiggie | ok i did it again and mysql has started and i do a ps -ef |grep mysql and it shows now what | 22:02 |
| Jiggie | the log files still has the same error on it. but i changed the file permisions to mysql instead of webgui | 22:03 |
| jZed | look in the yoursite_com.conf file and see what the real mysql user is | 22:04 |
| Jiggie | btw mysql started then i di the ps -ef and it shouwed there, but now i do it and its no longer there.... | 22:05 |
| @preaction-m | jZed: why? that's the database user, not the system user | 22:05 |
| @preaction-m | Jiggie, you did a chown recursively? | 22:05 |
| Jiggie | no | 22:06 |
| Jiggie | should i do that, chown -r mysql :mysql mysql/ like so? | 22:06 |
| jZed | sorry, I misunderstood | 22:06 |
| @preaction-m | without the space between mysql and :mysql | 22:07 |
| @preaction-m | tias | 22:07 |
| Jiggie | so i should do it without the space | 22:07 |
| @preaction-m | you don't even need the group in there | 22:07 |
| Jiggie | type how i need to do it,so i cna copy and paste,. | 22:08 |
| Jiggie | yes/no | 22:12 |
| @preaction-m | no, i'm not here to do it for you | 22:13 |
| @preaction-m | man chown | 22:13 |
| Jiggie | ok, not here to do it for me, i know. I asked if the way i typed it above and us aid without the space, so i'm asking to do it. | 22:16 |
| Jiggie | ok did it, it seems to work now but its giving me another error. | 22:16 |
| Jiggie | big long error, can i go tto that page and paste it so u can see it. | 22:19 |
| jZed | you should man chown ... you want R not r | 22:19 |
| Jiggie | its big R yes, i did that | 22:19 |
| @preaction-m | Jiggie: go for it, just make sure that the "notify channel" or whatever is not set to #perl | 22:19 |
| @preaction-m | or there are other pastebins on the internets | 22:20 |
| Jiggie | yes | 22:20 |
| Jiggie | http://sial.org/pbot/21451 | 22:22 |
| Jiggie | there | 22:22 |
| @preaction-m | so does that file exist? is it writable by the apache user? | 22:25 |
| jZed | preaction, ignore this if you don't have time ... is there any security hazard in making Maon available as a Template ... if only Admins can edit templates, no one else can use Mason to run random Perl, right? | 22:26 |
| @preaction-m | if you make sure that only admins can edit templates, i don't see a major flaw | 22:26 |
| Jiggie | it exist. let me check who own it. it is owned by the webgui user. | 22:26 |
| @preaction-m | is apache running as that same user? | 22:27 |
| Jiggie | how can i tell | 22:27 |
| @preaction-m | ps aux | grep "apache" | 22:28 |
| jZed | the user will be the first word in each httpd line e.g. nobody | 22:29 |
| @preaction-m | otherwise look at your httpd.conf, the username should be in there somewhere | 22:29 |
| Jiggie | nobody and root - nobody 4321 0.0 0.2 6280 2920 ? S 15:40 0:00 /data/wre/prereqs/apache/bin/httpd | 22:30 |
| @preaction-m | so that log file needs to be owned by nobody, or at least writable by nobody | 22:31 |
| Jiggie | ok, done did a chwn nobody on that file. | 22:34 |
| Jiggie | it works, wohooooooo | 22:35 |
| Jiggie | now, the most important question, how can that happen, we didnt touch anything on it. | 22:35 |
| @preaction-m | somebody did | 22:35 |
| Jiggie | how can i check that, cause i'm about to kill him/her | 22:36 |
| jZed | look at the owner of the file before you changed it :-) | 22:36 |
| Jiggie | nobody knew the password until today.. | 22:45 |
| Jiggie | the last time this happened the power went out and when it came back up crapgui did this error | 22:45 |
| @preaction-m | sounds like your OS likes to reset file ownerships and permissions | 22:45 |
| Jiggie | its an old redhat | 22:46 |
| Jiggie | this mess was given to me when i started here | 22:46 |
| Jiggie | i never used webgui b4 | 22:46 |
| @preaction-m | you're also a major version obsolete | 22:47 |
| Jiggie | it has like 3 or 4 data folders and the config file is a convination.. I just finished performing and upgrade to 7.2 running rhes4 and we are missing a few files that seem tat did not get copied over.. | 22:47 |
| @preaction-m | i would consider it a | 22:47 |
| @preaction-m | Good Idea to just make a vanilla install of 7.2.* and do the slow manual way | 22:48 |
| @preaction-m | did you do the upgrade steps? 6.2-6.8 6.8-7.1.3 7.1.3-7.2.* | 22:48 |
| Jiggie | 7.2 is up and running, but some files are missing, so im looking for them now.. this box is the old version 6.2.11, that i'm trying to recover | 22:49 |
| Jiggie | yeah | 22:49 |
| Jiggie | the uplaod folder i had to copy over | 22:49 |
| @preaction-m | before or after the upgrade? | 22:49 |
| Jiggie | but because of the batched webgui_whoster+two different data folders not so easy | 22:49 |
| Jiggie | missed a few things here and there | 22:49 |
| Jiggie | b4 used to be like that. now the new version is running smotth, just the missing files | 22:50 |
| @preaction-m | the upgrade changed how the uploads folder works, so it had to be done before | 22:50 |
| Jiggie | so u are telling me that it might have been the upgrades that chaned the place of the files | 22:50 |
| @preaction-m | the drive folder, perhaps, but not the asset url | 22:51 |
| Jiggie | i did 6.2.11 to 6.65>6.810>7.1 | 22:53 |
| Jiggie | is that ok | 22:53 |
| @preaction-m | if everything's working fine, yes | 22:53 |
| Jiggie | files thats it....now i'm going manually and setting them up again | 22:53 |
| @preaction-m | you might have to export the files from the old wG and import them into the new one | 22:53 |
| Jiggie | export files? how does that work, never seen that | 22:54 |
| Jiggie | i can dump the database thats it... | 22:54 |
| @preaction-m | right-click: save file as... | 22:54 |
| @preaction-m | the files aren't in the database, they're in the uploads/ folder | 22:55 |
| Jiggie | so 1by1, i was wondering of a whole thing at once. that woul be nice | 22:57 |
| @preaction-m | you could combine all the various uploads folders you have and then re-do the upgrades, but that would probably be more time-consuming | 22:57 |
| Jiggie | yeah, i was just thinking of combining all of them and re-[point the files manually, is not that many | 23:07 |
| @preaction-m | the structure of the uploads folder has changed, as I said. that would not be possible | 23:08 |
| Jiggie | crap,,,,,, more work for me. i wanted to clean my hands of this...but thats guys for the help | 23:13 |
| Jiggie | one more problem now. | 23:16 |
| Jiggie | can ya take a look for a minute | 23:16 |
| @preaction-m | perlbot ask | 23:17 |
| perlbot | Ask forth your question to the all-knowing channel and we shall bestow upon you the answer of correctitude. | 23:17 |
| Jiggie | http://sial.org/pbot/21453 | 23:18 |
| Jiggie | this is it /data/wre/prereqs/mysql/libexec/mysqld: Got error 127 from storage engine | 23:19 |
| @preaction-m | google for MySQL Error 127 | 23:19 |
| @preaction-m | it might be prudent to run a myisamchk on your database | 23:21 |
| Jiggie | i figured that, but wanted to make sure. as i had to do it the last time it crapped out | 23:23 |
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| +crythias | spam in the place where you work... now face south. think about direction. wonder why you haven't now. | 23:37 |
| @preaction-m | spam in the back of my car, spam every place that you are | 23:38 |
| jZed | i do not like green eggs or spam | 23:38 |
| @preaction-m | loser | 23:38 |
| @preaction-m | yellow eggs will kill you | 23:38 |
| @preaction-m | green ones help against yellow lantern | 23:38 |
| jZed | ok, I'll take the green eggs, but hold the spam, spam, spam, and spam | 23:39 |
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| Jiggie | i take the spam with egg. thats good | 00:00 |
| @preaction-m | spaghetti, alfredo, stirfry or burritos... i can never decide... | 00:07 |
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| ckotil | Are we still having the problem with spectre.pl needing to be rebooted every week or so? | 15:58 |
| ckotil | I had a user upload a file last night and it never appeared on the site. | 15:59 |
| ckotil | The file was in the commited version tags. so I just added the file myself | 15:59 |
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| ckotil | Is there anything built in to webgui to check for deadlinks? | 18:37 |
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| Radix-wrk | Did the topic disappear - or is my irc client just not showing it? | 03:55 |
| jZed | mine doesn't show it | 03:56 |
| -!- Radix-wrk changed the topic of #webgui to: Latest Versions: Webgui 7.2.3 (stable), WRE 0.7.2 -=- Ask your questions.. and be patient - it may take a while for us to answer! :) | 03:56 | |
| jZed | I'm using GAIM | 03:56 |
| jZed | there it is | 03:56 |
| Radix-wrk | yah.. because I just set it :) | 03:56 |
| Radix-wrk | must have been wiped for some reason | 03:56 |
| jZed | I knew that :-) | 03:56 |
| Radix-wrk | Hmm.. grab 7.2.3 while you can.. 7.3.0 beta is coming next week | 03:59 |
| Radix-wrk | not that you won't be able to grab it next week.. but the upgrade scripts will all default to 7.3 then :) | 04:00 |
| Radix-wrk | I'm still using 7.0.8 myself - should upgrade I guess | 04:00 |
| +crythias | heh. gwy2 is 7.0.6 | 04:00 |
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| ckotil | im anxious to see this wiki asset | 15:30 |
| Radix__ | yeah, should be fun | 16:16 |
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| ckotil | really, i think we could of had a great wiki long ago if only a good template was put together | 17:27 |
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| ckotil | is there a workflow to clear the cache? | 22:05 |
| ckotil | clear the cache after a commit* | 22:07 |
| ckotil | ;] and to only do it inside folder assets would be even cooler | 22:08 |
| ckotil | i set it to clear the cache in the hourly workflow | 22:08 |
| ckotil | i cant seem to recall where to change the time limit for cacheing...anyone know? | 22:21 |
| ckotil | im thinking about lowering it to about 30 minutes. my users are complaining that commited changes arent appearing fast enough. im thinking its a caching issue either on their browsers end or webgui's | 22:22 |
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| snapcount | perlbot sit | 23:35 |
| snapcount | perlbot rollover | 23:35 |
| snapcount | perlbot speak! | 23:36 |
| * snapcount scratches his head | 23:36 | |
| +perlDreamer | maybe he's asleep? | 23:36 |
| jZed | no, scratch perlbot's head | 23:36 |
| snapcount | perlbot slap snapcount | 23:36 |
| * perlbot slaps snapcount around a bit with a large trout | 23:36 | |
| snapcount | perlbot 8ball | 23:37 |
| perlbot | Magic 8ball says: No | 23:37 |
| +perlDreamer | I miss WRE | 23:37 |
| +perlDreamer | he was a great bot | 23:37 |
| snapcount | calc palmade | 23:38 |
| snapcount | heheh | 23:38 |
| snapcount | good times | 23:38 |
| +perlDreamer | remember the one about Matt's sister? | 23:38 |
| snapcount | no | 23:39 |
| snapcount | I'm sure it was funny though | 23:39 |
| ckotil | where do i change the timeout limit on the cache? | 23:40 |
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| snapcount | there is no global setting | 23:43 |
| ckotil | ah. | 23:43 |
| ckotil | even better | 23:43 |
| snapcount | it's configured in the asset properties if the asset uses caching | 23:43 |
| ckotil | thanks | 23:43 |
| snapcount | np | 23:43 |
| ckotil | k i recall now. i knew i saw it somehwhere | 23:43 |
| snapcount | deja vu is common in wG | 23:44 |
| snapcount | someone should write an irc wobject for webgui | 23:44 |
| snapcount | and an irc bot wobject | 23:44 |
| ckotil | heh | 23:45 |
| snapcount | then we could have this channel on the pb website | 23:45 |
| ckotil | that'd be cool | 23:45 |
| snapcount | Colin, how long would it take you? | 23:45 |
| ckotil | heh | 23:45 |
| +perlDreamer | huh? me? | 23:45 |
| +perlDreamer | do IRC programming? | 23:45 |
| snapcount | no, of course not | 23:46 |
| snapcount | someone else has done that already surely | 23:46 |
| +perlDreamer | Don't call me surely | 23:46 |
| snapcount | cpan | 23:46 |
| +perlDreamer | would you store each line in a table in the db? | 23:46 |
| snapcount | it's simple... all *you* have to do, cough cough, is wrap the cpan modules in a wobject and sprinkle some UI on top | 23:47 |
| ckotil | so the folder asset will alphabetize contents for you. can the alphabetization be easily reversed? | 23:47 |
| ckotil | My group is finally starting to develop wobjects internally. Im sure progress will be very slow at first. but hey, its a start. i think first we are going to internalize some of our network monitoring and reprting tools | 23:48 |
| snapcount | yes it's easy | 23:52 |
| snapcount | imo anyways | 23:52 |
| ckotil | will it be as simple as editing the template? | 23:53 |
| ckotil | or will i have to go into the .pm itself | 23:53 |
| snapcount | it's code | 23:53 |
| ckotil | k | 23:53 |
| ckotil | i can pry handle that. thanks. | 23:53 |
| snapcount | getLineage method in AssetLineage does the sorting | 23:53 |
| -!- jZed [n=jeff@dsl093-039-031.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has left #webgui [] | 23:53 | |
| snapcount | via the rules hash {orderByClause} | 23:54 |
| snapcount | see the view method in WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Folder.pm | 23:54 |
| ckotil | ah. even better. thanks | 23:54 |
| +perlDreamer | or you could put it into a table and then use any of the javascript table sorting handlers | 23:55 |
| snapcount | you would change that to assetData.title desc | 23:55 |
| ckotil | ohhh. badass. | 23:55 |
| ckotil | its set to asc now? | 23:55 |
| snapcount | no order is passed so it defaults to asc | 23:56 |
| snapcount | but that's b/c of mysql | 23:57 |
| ckotil | ok | 23:57 |
| ckotil | thanks. im heading home. | 23:57 |
| snapcount | have pleasant travels | 23:57 |
| snapcount | may gooey be with you | 23:57 |
| ckotil | it got real cold today. im in the midwest | 23:57 |
| ckotil | and also with you. | 23:58 |
| ckotil | pz | 23:58 |
| snapcount | I'm starting to realize that I'm a huge dork | 23:58 |
| ckotil | we all are. | 23:58 |
| ckotil | heh | 23:58 |
| +perlDreamer | you're not alone, snapcount! | 23:58 |
| snapcount | so we're like a dork herd | 23:58 |
| snapcount | or clan | 23:59 |
| -!- snapcount changed the topic of #webgui to: Watch for migrant dork herds | 23:59 | |
| snapcount | that sounds funny... I lolled | 23:59 |
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