WebGUI irc logs from: 2006-10.log

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maxscienceyo12:05
hawkaloogieword12:27
hawkaloogie7+ hours of webgui core hacking does a headache create :(12:27
maxscience:D12:28
maxsciencewhat you did?12:28
hawkaloogieyeah12:32
hawkaloogieworking under contract with plainblack12:33
maxscienceI see12:33
-!- hawkaloogie changed the topic of #webgui to: WebGUI, the way to enlightenment | Need help? Ask and wait patiently (it might take awhile)12:33
maxsciencelol12:34
hawkaloogieeveryone comes in here and asks and then leaves before i get back to my compy12:34
hawkaloogiewhen i say "a while" i mean "hours"12:34
maxscienceyeah I know lol12:34
hawkaloogieit'd be better if people from different timezones frequented here12:34
maxscienceindeed12:34
hawkaloogieit'd be REALLY BETTER if the salaried employees of plainblack corp at least idled here12:35
maxscienceindeed12:35
hawkaloogiebut that takes a certain level of nerd-life that i assume they've left behind ;-)12:35
maxscience:D12:35
hawkaloogie(those lucky barstads)12:35
maxscienceyou know this? https://www.plainblack.com/development/portfolio/web_application_development_portfolio/vacation-calendar212:36
hawkaloogielooks sweet12:37
hawkaloogielooks hella sweet12:37
maxsciencewondering why they didn't include that in the public distro...12:37
maxscienceexclusive right in the contract? naah :D12:38
hawkaloogieit can probably be mimicked. with my SQLReport changes you'll be able to download any SQLReport as a template or a CSV file12:38
hawkaloogie(i believe that i can talk about core changes, just not about other stuff under the NDA, friggen NDAs...)12:39
maxsciencelol12:39
maxscienceI don't think NDAs are very useful here.. Given that the webgui community is small :D12:40
hawkaloogiewell, sometimes they have to give sample data, which could be a sampling of real data12:40
hawkaloogiewhich is probably the only thing the NDA covers12:40
hawkaloogiei tried to make the other addition as generic as possible, so someday it can be added as an Operation (a little Import thing that can import CSV data to the database)12:41
hawkaloogiewould make it easier for people to migrate to WebGUI12:41
maxsciencesomeday? :)12:41
maxsciencewell you can already do that at a DB level... With the right MySQL GUI utility12:41
hawkaloogieyeah, along with a host of other changes i'd like to see (one table for each asset type? why not some sort of configuration file inside the database?)12:42
hawkaloogietrue nuff12:42
hawkaloogiejust annoying, you have to have a terminal12:42
hawkaloogiei won't even start on how i could try to make webgui less dependant on MySQL, Apache2, and mod_perl212:43
hawkaloogieSQLite would rule12:43
maxscienceI think there are other areas to put efforts on12:44
maxsciencemysql 5 is more powerful than sqlite12:44
hawkaloogiebetter docs12:44
hawkaloogieof course, but at a price12:44
maxsciencewhich one?12:44
hawkaloogieeh, got me there. it's all personal preference really12:45
maxscience:D12:46
hawkaloogielike PostgreSQL (which i despise and others swear by)12:46
maxscienceyou also fix bugs?12:47
hawkaloogiei've tried to fix a few, fixed a few others that were included in 7.0.812:47
maxsciencethere are a couple of easy-to-fix template bugs... Can I show you?12:48
hawkaloogiei don't have svn commit access, but i can post fixes to the Bugs forum12:49
maxscienceah a thing first... Could you look please here http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/admin-profile-does-not-show12:49
hawkaloogieyeah, looked through that one12:50
maxsciencedidn't understand dwilson reply...12:50
hawkaloogiecouldn't figure out "why" it was intentional12:50
maxscienceah so you didn't understand his reply too... :D12:50
maxscienceas a matter of fact, visitors can't see my profile even though it's public...12:51
hawkaloogiehere it is: line 277 of Operation/Profile.pm12:52
hawkaloogiewait no12:52
hawkaloogie280: return $session->privilege->insufficient() if(!$session->user->isInGroup(2));12:52
maxscienceand Group(2) is the Visitors group?12:53
hawkaloogieno, the Registerd Users group12:53
hawkaloogiegroup(1) would be visitors12:53
hawkaloogiewhat it SHOULD be is a configuration value12:53
hawkaloogiewhere is that config value anyway?12:54
maxsciencemmmmh... There isn't12:54
maxsciencebut you agree it's a bug?12:54
maxsciencewhy visitors can't see my profile if I set it to be public!12:55
hawkaloogieokay, i see, the line above it lets people who set their profile to public be seen12:55
hawkaloogiea simple comment out of line 280 would probably fix it12:55
hawkaloogiebut it might be better if there was some sort of way to specify if visitors can view the profile12:56
maxsciencemmh could you reply to that page ?12:56
hawkaloogiedone12:59
hawkaloogiehttp://www.plainblack.com/rfe/request-for-enhancement/view-and-edit-user-profile-is-not-templatable <- this would be niceness13:05
hawkaloogiewhy is Profile an Operation and not an Asset? or could make a Profile Wobject13:05
maxscienceindeed 13:06
hawkaloogiethe profile wobject could then do what you want (allow visitors to view) and what they want (templating)13:06
maxscienceyep13:06
hawkaloogieand it could do so using the profile operation13:06
maxsciencemaybe a python WebGUI would be better? :P13:07
hawkaloogiewtf's wrong with Perl?13:07
hawkaloogie"PBtmpl0000000000000052" <- edit that template to change how profiles are displayed, but not who can view them13:08
maxsciencedunno really13:08
maxscienceyeah13:08
maxsciencethx13:08
hawkaloogiei'll refrain from starting a holy war13:09
maxsciencethe fact is that I want a variable template.. I have two different site design13:09
hawkaloogieso it'd be the asset13:09
maxsciencebut with Perl 6 it could be great13:09
hawkaloogieand this www_viewProfile is NOT conducive to making that happen easily13:09
hawkaloogiei could refactor this operation, and build an asset that would call some of its methods13:09
maxscienceit would be very nice indeed13:10
maxscienceI also search for a european version of the weather asset13:10
maxscienceit's US-only right now13:10
hawkaloogiecan't help ya there, it probably aggregates from NOAA13:11
maxscienceyep it does13:11
maxsciencethat's why13:11
hawkaloogiethere IS a global one for airports13:11
hawkaloogiethe WeatherPixie uses it iirc13:12
maxscienceWeatherPixie?13:12
hawkaloogiehttp://weatherpixie.com/13:12
Radix_hey guys13:13
maxscienceah yeah but I wanted a rebrandable one :)13:13
maxsciencehey13:13
Radix_I'm surprised to see people actually saying stuff on this channel :)13:13
maxsciencelol13:13
Radix_hawkaloogie, were you at the WUC?13:14
hawkaloogiewait, looks like NOAA uses METAR, which means that non-US for the weather asset should be trivial13:14
hawkaloogieRadix_, no. can't afford and didn't get hired in time13:14
maxscienceyeah the point is to add an option to the weather asset so it searches from another database/web service... A bit like the Stock asset13:15
Radix_i'd appreciate that too13:17
hawkaloogieright now it looks like WeatherData is parsing a specific HTML file, which is bad13:19
hawkaloogieif it could be altered to use some other sort of data, like the apparent standard METAR, it could be applied to any METAR service13:20
maxscienceI'm looking in a Javascript widget code that does world weather13:21
hawkaloogiehttp://metar.noaa.gov/table_master.jsp?sub_menu=no&show=guide.html&dir=./documents/&title=title_helpful <- METAR format. why wasn't this used in the first place?13:22
maxscienceit's still US-only13:22
hawkaloogieno, that's the international standard13:23
hawkaloogieand NOAA compiles the METAR internationally and provides downloads13:24
maxscienceso could you modify it? :)13:24
hawkaloogieit seems feasible that I could modify WeatherData to use the METAR format. if I were ever commissioned to do so (as right now i'm working two full-time jobs, one at walmart and one for plainblack)13:27
maxscienceoh13:28
hawkaloogiebut let's see if i can't at least give someone else my current research on the subject13:28
maxsciencewow thx13:28
hawkaloogiehttp://www.plainblack.com/rfe/request-for-enhancement/weatherdata-asset---convert-to-international-format <- karma it up to get it implemented ;-)13:38
maxsciencegave all the karma I had lol13:44
hawkaloogiei'm going to try to get a couple hours sleep before frank calls about all the bugs I know are in my code :'(13:51
maxsciencefrank dillon :D13:51
hawkaloogieah crap. i forgot one thing. I'm using my own CSV which isn't included with WebGUI13:52
hawkaloogieText::CSV sucks... a lot...13:53
maxscience:D13:53
hawkaloogienow sleep13:55
* hawkaloogie &13:55
maxsciencek c ya later :)13:55
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maxscienceyo17:53
+MrHairgreasehey17:53
maxsciencecould you fix some bugs? :)17:54
+MrHairgreaseof course i can17:54
+MrHairgreasedunno if i have the time though17:54
maxscienceoh :(17:55
+MrHairgreasethere are a lot of bugs to fix17:55
maxscienceindeed17:55
+MrHairgreaseso what bugs are you refering to.17:56
maxsciencethis one in particular http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/admin-profile-does-not-show17:56
+MrHairgreasehmm17:57
+MrHairgreaseI think that is intended behaviour17:57
+MrHairgreasethe sho/hide option in profiles17:57
maxsciencenope... I'm chatting with Frank Dillon and he says it's a bug too17:57
+MrHairgreaseoh ok17:58
+MrHairgreasei frank sis it17:58
+MrHairgreasesais it17:58
maxscienceI said two times in that page that that options is already set to show/public17:58
maxscience:)17:58
+MrHairgreasesure enough17:58
+MrHairgreasebut...17:58
+MrHairgreaseI always thought that that option would only apply to logged in users and not to visitors17:59
+MrHairgreaseso 'make public' would actually mean17:59
+MrHairgreaseis viewable by registered users17:59
maxsciencemmh yeah but why then... The word public is PUBLIC... So Visitors should be able to see it17:59
+MrHairgreasewell18:00
+MrHairgreasethat's just a matter of interpretation18:00
+MrHairgreaseI agree though that it should be possible to show profiles to anyone18:00
maxsciencenot really... If you just say "public", all of users should see it18:00
+MrHairgreasewhether they are logged in or not18:00
+MrHairgreasewell18:00
maxscienceThen rename that option to: show users to registred users. It will be more correct18:01
maxscienceshow profile to registred users sorry :)18:01
+MrHairgreaseif I had a site only intended for people that registered18:01
maxscienceYeah I know but it's not clear that way...18:01
+MrHairgreasepls wait18:01
+MrHairgreaseok18:04
+MrHairgreasei'm back18:04
maxscienceok :)18:04
+MrHairgreaseso let me explain18:04
+MrHairgreasei have this site not open for visitors right18:04
maxscienceI understood18:04
maxsciencepublic = registred users18:04
maxsciencethe point is that "public" is used in the wrong sense18:05
+MrHairgreasein that case i want to give people the option whether or not to show their profile to other users18:05
+MrHairgreaseok18:05
+MrHairgreasei don't carte18:05
+MrHairgreasecare*18:05
+MrHairgrease=)18:05
maxsciencelol but I do18:05
+MrHairgreaseif you wanna change it, go ahead18:05
+MrHairgreasemake it show profile to registered users =)18:05
+MrHairgreasein stead18:06
+MrHairgreasebut you need the profile to be shown to visitors as well?18:06
maxscienceyep18:06
+MrHairgreasehmm18:06
+MrHairgreasewell18:06
+MrHairgreasei;m in a good mood today =)18:07
+MrHairgreaseso18:07
+MrHairgreasethis is what I think 18:07
maxscience:)18:07
+MrHairgreasewe add an extra option show profile to visitors18:07
+MrHairgreaseand rename the former18:07
+MrHairgreaseyour task will be18:07
+MrHairgreaseto put that on the bug tracker18:08
+MrHairgreaseand get it approved by jt18:08
+MrHairgrease(since it is a new feature)18:08
+MrHairgreaseIf you succeed18:08
maxsciencebug tracker? You mean RFE?18:08
+MrHairgreaseI'll hack it into webgui18:08
+MrHairgreasesure it is an rfe18:08
+MrHairgreasebut the 'bug' in your case is 18:08
maxsciencewell I don't think JT would approve that :)18:09
+MrHairgreaseIn that case I cannot put it in18:09
+MrHairgreasesorry18:09
maxscienceok let's leave that behind :) Not a real priority anyway18:09
+MrHairgrease ok18:09
+MrHairgreaseso put it on the rfe18:09
maxsciencecan I point you two easy-to-fix bugs?18:10
+MrHairgreaseI'll fix the ambiguous label friday18:10
+MrHairgreasesure why not18:10
maxsciencehttp://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/poll-answers-and-percentage-not-displayed18:10
+MrHairgreaseBut please take note that I only work one day a week18:10
+MrHairgreaseand I do have real assignments too =)18:10
maxscienceoh ok.. But you said you're in a good mood today so.. :)18:11
+MrHairgreasesure18:11
+MrHairgreasei finally got my drivers license18:11
maxsciencewow about time! :D18:12
+MrHairgreaseyeah i know18:12
maxsciencewhich car you got18:12
+MrHairgreaseno car18:12
+MrHairgreaseI only got my license18:13
maxscienceoh k18:13
+MrHairgreasenow I don't have money to own a car =)18:13
+MrHairgreasethe orony of life18:13
+MrHairgreaseirony*18:13
+MrHairgreasedon't need one though18:13
maxscienceoh k then18:13
+MrHairgreaseso i don't care that much18:13
+MrHairgreaseBut what is the exact problem with the poll18:13
+MrHairgreasethe answers are not shown when using a graph?18:14
maxsciencenot the answers.. The number of voters and percentage18:14
+MrHairgreaseoh18:14
+MrHairgreaseI can fix that18:14
maxscienceYou see the Poll on http://www.plainblack.com/support18:14
maxscienceYeah I guess it's a template issue18:14
maxsciencein that poll you see the percentage and number of votes for each answer and then Total Votes: 23918:15
+MrHairgreasewell that poll actually shows percentages18:15
+MrHairgreasebut if you have a pie18:15
+MrHairgreaseit prolly doesn't18:15
maxscienceI know. The point is that pies and 3d chart doesn't. Yep18:15
+MrHairgreasethat's what you mean right.18:15
maxscienceso this is a real bug finally? :)18:15
+MrHairgreaseit's not a template issue18:15
+MrHairgreaseprolly18:16
maxscienceok :)18:16
+MrHairgreaseI'll check it out next friday18:16
+MrHairgreaseit's easy to fix anyway.18:16
maxsciencethis is even more simple http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/events-calendar-error-in-big-template18:17
+MrHairgreaseit prolly is18:18
+MrHairgreasei'll see it when i get to it18:18
maxscienceok18:18
+MrHairgreaseyou can probably fix the template bug yourself18:18
+MrHairgreasejust post the correct tempate in a replie to the bug18:19
maxscienceYeah I know but then it wouldn't be commit to the official distro18:19
+MrHairgreaseand someone will get it in18:19
maxscienceoh k fine18:19
maxsciencelast one :) http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/snippet-processing-as-template-doesnt-wor18:19
+MrHairgreasejust save work18:19
+MrHairgrease=)18:19
maxsciencesorry wrong url http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/snippet-processing-as-template-doesnt-work18:19
+MrHairgreaseisVisitor is not passed to templates18:20
+MrHairgreaseonly some session tmpl_vars18:20
+MrHairgreasewhich I can't think of right now18:20
maxsciencebut I took isVisitor from a template so I thought it would be fine :(18:20
+MrHairgreasesession.adminOn18:20
+MrHairgreasewhat namespace?18:21
maxsciencelet me check again18:21
+MrHairgreaseno every tmpl_var is available in each template18:21
+MrHairgreaseand snippets aren't templates at all18:21
+MrHairgreasethere are only very few tmpl_var that are passed to all templates18:21
+MrHairgreaseand hance also to the snippets18:22
maxscienceyeah I know but I thought that "processing as template" option would treat snippets as "all-around" templates18:22
+MrHairgreaseit probably does that18:22
+MrHairgreasebut what is an all-round template in your eyes?18:22
maxsciencewell a template that is able to get all the tmpl vars working18:23
+MrHairgreaseit is impossible to have templates with 'all' tmplvars18:23
+MrHairgrease'all' template vars is a non-exeistent thing18:23
+MrHairgreasehow would you manage to get colaboration tmpl vars into some totally unrelated snippet?18:24
+MrHairgreasethat's just one example18:24
maxscienceyeah I understood :)18:24
+MrHairgreaseok18:24
+MrHairgreaseso I'll close that bug then18:24
+MrHairgreaseok?18:24
maxsciencebut again, another thing to clarify in WebGUI18:24
maxscienceok :)18:25
+MrHairgreasecoolio18:25
+MrHairgreasese you later18:25
maxscienceit would be nice to have a list of available tmpl vars to be used in Snippets when "enable processing as template" is on18:25
+MrHairgreasegotta go do soime shopping18:25
+MrHairgreasewell actually18:25
maxscienceoh ok c ya :) and thx for the help18:25
+MrHairgreasedrake said that the session templ_vars are deprecated18:25
+MrHairgreaseso they'll disappear soon probably18:26
maxscienceyeah... And he also said "hrmm".. :) So I guess it's something he's still checking18:26
+MrHairgreasewhich might be why they are not dicumented18:26
+MrHairgreaseyou know what18:26
+MrHairgreaseask a question about it on the dev list18:26
maxscienceso you can leave that bug report open until we get some clarification from JT?18:26
+MrHairgreasei'm kinda curious too =)18:26
maxscienceok :)18:27
+MrHairgreaseyeah i can leave it open18:27
+MrHairgreasebut it is not a bug =)18:27
+MrHairgreaseanyways18:27
maxsciencefine :))18:27
+MrHairgreasesee you18:27
maxsciencebye thx :)18:27
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maxsciencehey19:48
maxscienceanyone willing to help me convert my 10 lines php script into a WebGUI macro? :)19:48
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dhelstenRadix there?00:43
dhelstenI'm working on my Anonymous Registration Page and would like to collect more information.00:51
dhelstenI'm thinking that the best way to deal with it would be to customize it field by field.  00:52
dhelstenIs there a way to call individual profile fields in the template?01:18
dhelstenHow about the names of profile categories?  The help files don't show these fields at all.01:31
dhelstenWell it has been a while and I've tried several combinations of <tmpl_var create.form.[varname]> to no avail02:03
dhelstenI have to assume that it isn't possible to access the data outside of the loop.  02:03
dhelstenI need to insert more descriptive text in between fields in the sign up page.  Any ideas?02:04
Radix_morning02:13
Radix_you can definitely customise the signup form.  I've not ever done it.  We're kinda in the same boat really.. got different customers that we want to sign up, and we want different required fields for each - makes it awkward to say the least02:14
Radix_I haven't tackled that problem yet though02:15
Radix_I was going to look at the html::template::eval template engine myself - see if I could write some more flexible logic in there based on incoming url02:19
Radix_sorry.. ::expr, not eval02:20
Radix_its 7:20am here.. head still waking up :)02:20
dhelstenI'm not a coder so I won't be much help there.  If you get anything, post it to the RFE or forum.  Thanks for your help in getting me set up.  I would have given up on WebGUI several weeks ago if it wasn't from some of your helpful posts.02:38
xdangerit 02:37am here and I'm just leaving from work to go to sleep at home =D02:38
xdangerdamn deadlines =P02:38
dhelstensleep tight02:54
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davidclI'm wondering if anyone on IRC can help me with my WebGUI upgrade troubles.03:57
davidclDescribed here: http://www.plainblack.com/install/upgrade_help/upgrading-from-5.5.803:57
davidclReally right now I'm just trying to get the site working under 6.2.11-- I've reason to believe things will go pretty smoothly after that. 03:58
davidclThe 6.2.11 site is here on my testing server: http://deliver.klatha.com/03:59
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Radix_davidcl: more than likely one of your styles is out of date.. I seem to recall having to redo my styles for 6.2.11 also14:00
Radix_what you may want to do is keep upgrading to 6.8.11 and then 7.0, then do an edit branch and set your whole site to use a default webgui style.  Once you've done that you can then work on the task of migrating your styles using theirs as an example.14:02
Radix_styles have undergone a bit of a change in the upgrade from 5.8.8 (I did the same thing), but they're not hard to fix14:03
Radix_I'm not familiar with 6.2.11 myself (jumped straight to 6.8.x when I did the upgrade), but try: ?func=manageAssets and see if that produces anything14:06
Radix_if not, try ?op=editSettings and see if you can set the Admin Console template14:07
Radix_try and pick one of the default webgui ones if you can14:08
Radix_if you _don't_ have any of the default ones.. hmm.. you may have to grab them from the create.sql somehow - won't be fun for sure14:09
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maxscienceyo15:02
maxscienceanybody hooome? :)17:17
davidclhello18:07
maxsciencehi18:23
maxsciencedo you know some Perl?18:23
davidclsome, yes.18:25
davidclRadix_, thanks for the suggestion.18:25
Radix_hope it helps! :)18:35
Radix_now I'm off to bed :)18:35
davidclRadix_: I think func=manageAssets and op=editSittings must both be from later versions.  opt=editSettings produced a non-existent operation message in the webgui log.18:35
davidclfunc=manageAssets didn't produce a log entry but it didn't do anything either18:35
maxsciencecan you help me converting a 10-lines php script to a WebGUI macro?18:36
Radix_hmm.. I don't have a version 6.2 so don't know what the equivalent would be18:36
davidclI'll try upgrading further.  I don't think it will make my life any worse, and it may make it easier to get help!18:36
Radix_one option is simply upgrading to version 7 and then sorting it out :)18:36
davidclmaxscience:  sorry, I don't know enough about WebGUI macros yet to help with that.18:36
Radix_maxscience - what does the php script do?18:37
Radix_post the ten lines (or pm them to me) - I probably can't write it, but I can take a look!18:41
Radix_off to bed now :)18:42
maxscienceok thx! :) have a good sleep18:44
davidclAt 6.6 I can access the editSettings screen, but, as a trade-off, I can no longer see any content on the site.20:32
davidclWell-- I can actually see some of it, but URLs have changed.  Articles which were embedded in pages are no longer embedded.20:36
davidclMeanwhile I still can't see how to change the site's style.20:36
davidclI think at this point I am probably missing something obvious due to my unfamiliarity with WebGUI20:36
davidcl(well, recent versions of WebGUI anyway).20:37
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Radix_if you can use ?func=editBranch at your root level, you can probably edit the pages and set the styles for the whole site02:25
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maxsciencehey17:10
xdangerhowdy17:12
maxsciencehey xdanger :) Could you help me convert a 10-lines php script into a webgui macro?17:17
xdangercould try, but I really don't code php17:17
maxscienceit's the example shown here http://www.realchat.com/doc/adv-server-api.html17:18
maxsciencecould it be done easily?17:22
xdangernot a biggie17:27
xdangerthat is a simple thing done too complicated17:37
xdangeryou can do that same thing with http-proxy ;)17:37
xdangerand ^AssetProxy() macro17:38
xdangerjust get the content of http://localhost:10010/?api.UserCount and you'll have the number of users...17:40
xdangerand the room list with api.RoomList17:40
xdangerREST at it's finest17:40
xdangerdon't know why that example was done with a direct socket opening, and not with a http call17:41
maxsciencewoha never thought of that lol :D17:43
maxsciencemany thx I'll try17:43
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ckotilpink is IN18:36
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* crythias elicits a yawn. You feel enlightened... what's that smell?19:34
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Radix-wrkmorning03:48
Radix-wrkHey Roy03:48
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+crythiasHello!22:15
+crythiasYour purse feels lighter...22:15
+crythiasheh.22:15
* crythias says, "Hello, all" Your purse feels lighter...22:15
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hawkaloogieanyone awake?04:59
Radix-wrkyah05:12
Radix-wrkwassup?05:13
hawkaloogienevermind, i figured it out, the Product macro isn't enabled by default05:45
hawkaloogiewhich might be a feature or a bug05:45
hawkaloogiethough i am wondering why WebGUI::Group->addUsers([users],offset) is storing the offset in the database instead of the date (like it's supposed to)05:46
hawkaloogieis there something special i'm missing? time() gets added to $expiresOffset, but only $expiresOffset shows up in the database06:28
Radix-wrkSorry.. a bit over my head I'm afraid - my webgui programming skills are rather simple so far :)06:48
hawkaloogiefigured it out06:58
hawkaloogieas an admin, i'm always in every group06:58
hawkaloogiebut i dont necessarily have an expiresDate in that group06:58
hawkaloogieso i was subtracting the current time from 0, then adding the current time06:58
Radix-wrkahh.. makes sense07:57
Radix-wrkHmm.. just configured ssl in the wre and it seems to run, produces no errors in the logs at all, but I still can't access the server via https08:05
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isaacfinneganhello?  Anyone here?02:55
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vidarhi guys14:42
vidarIf I want AJAX calendar, can I use the wobject for events calendar but request it only to show me the calendar itself not the whole page14:57
vidarok wow now func=ajaxInlineView works14:57
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Anime-AddictAh wow, kinda empty19:21
+crythiasum. yeah.19:21
Anime-AddictNot used to that on IRC.19:22
Anime-AddictAnyone willing to losten to my situation in relevance to WebGUI?19:22
Anime-Addict*listen19:22
+crythiaswell take the high speed drama that is WebGUI's forums and distill it 10 % and ... well 10% of nothing is still..19:22
Anime-AddictI tried the forums and the termonology is way over my head.19:23
Anime-AddictIm beyond noobish when it comes to this.19:23
+crythiasok...19:23
Anime-AddictI was casting around online for a nice CMS to use. I had used MKportal before and found it... lacking19:24
Anime-AddictAfer receiving several opinions and some general research, i found WebGUI.19:24
Anime-AddictAnd now I wish to install it, except I have No idea how. My webhosting is through DreamHost; I ahve shell and FTP access, but there is where my knowledge ends.19:25
Anime-AddictWhat am I looking at to get this running? Or am I out of luck?19:26
+crythiashttp://blog.dreamhosters.com/kbase/index.cgi?area=244619:27
Anime-AddictOkay I am looking.19:28
Anime-AddictAh well, that sure answers my question now doesn't it.19:28
Anime-Addictweak.19:31
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maxsciencehey guys21:25
maxscienceanybody home?21:25
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rindolfHi all!23:53
rindolfI have problems installing WebGUI from the CentOS binary distribution.23:54
rindolfI'm using Mandriva 2007.23:54
rindolfI get:23:54
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rindolfAnyone has any idea with : http://sial.org/pbot/20390 ?23:56
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rindolfHi coder_ 00:02
coder_hi00:04
rindolfcoder_: can you help me with http://sial.org/pbot/20390 ?00:04
coder_http://www.tech-recipes.com/mysql_tips762.html <-- ?00:06
coder_http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/can-not-connect-to-server.html00:08
coder_im assuming no one else is around?00:10
coder_=)00:10
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miz29hi all. need help with install mysql error..10:09
miz29got it! thnx10:12
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Jiggiehey guys...17:02
Jiggieanyone here17:02
+MrHairgreaseyeah17:02
+MrHairgreasebut i'm pretty busy17:03
xdangerI'm going for a beer now =)17:10
+MrHairgreasegood idea17:11
+MrHairgreaseI'll have a look if there some beer around here =)17:11
+MrHairgreasegotta love fridays =)17:11
* MrHairgrease found a can of beer!17:15
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Jiggieno beer18:55
Jiggieworking18:55
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Jiggieyo22:48
Jiggiecrythias give u 50-100 to upgrade a database for me22:48
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Radix-wrkAnyone here using SSL with their webgui?09:29
Radix-wrkie. https09:30
Radix-wrkI'm just curious how your apache config file is set up for it09:30
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Radix-wrkmine works, but when the user logs in they stay in https continually afterwards.  PB's website doesn't do that, so wondering how others are doing it.09:32
preactionRadix-wrk, two different sites probably09:54
Radix-wrktwo different sites?10:01
Radix-wrkmine is setup how it's described on the page - http://www.plainblack.com/enabling_ssl mostly.. one section for port 80, one section for port 44310:03
Radix-wrkif I enable ssl in webgui, and the user logs in when on http, it switches them to https for the login, but it doesn't switch them back to http afterwards10:04
preactionrofl and apparently i can't even look at that page... that has to change10:08
Radix-wrkit's in the ruling webgui section10:08
preactioni don't even see that section10:10
preactiondid you have to pay for it?10:10
Radix-wrkyeah10:10
preactionwhich would explain it10:10
preactionmaybe when i start work tomorrow they'll give me access to that10:11
Radix-wrkit's useful, but by no means perfect - has a few things missing.10:11
Radix-wrkOh well.. hopefully someone at PB will see my support request from last week and reply10:13
Radix-wrkthe time zone difference sucks sometimes :)10:16
preactionyeah, i have to wake up in 6 hours, :(10:19
Radix-wrkabout what time I head to bed almost ;)10:24
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Radix-wrkMornin'04:37
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+crythia1howdy05:15
+crythia1ah, yeah.05:15
+crythia1it's all good. That and a bottle of somethin'.05:15
Radix-wrkmornin'05:29
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crythia2yeah05:32
Radix-wrkone of you isn't enough huh? :)05:32
crythia2guess not. and you?05:32
Radix-wrkhehe.. one's at home, one's at work :)05:33
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crythia2hrm05:33
Radix-wrkBesides.. two of me is the only way I'll get intelligent and meaningful conversation around here some days.05:33
Radix-wrk;)05:34
Radix-wrkokay.. maybe not intelligent..05:34
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crythia2got him... er ... me.05:35
Radix-wrkI finally got my webgui perl script to work yesterday.. yay!  I can now use a web url to add a webgui account (which means I can put it in our other database and a simple click will create the webgui account automatically).05:36
crythia2kewl and you can use a wget call (forinstance) to automate the click...05:37
crythia2or curl05:37
Radix-wrkWell.. it's the other way we want to do it from.  We have a filemaker database we keep user details in, and now we can simply press a button in filemaker and have it create an account for us matching the current user.05:39
Radix-wrkit calls the url and passes along all the user details as parameters05:40
Radix-wrkwould be nice to do an auth module for it, but there's no perl DBI support for filemaker and no easy way to get webgui to talk to it05:41
Radix-wrkso we're doing it via sql data dumps and perl scripts fired off via http :)05:41
crythia2filemaker -> webgui?05:44
Radix-wrkfilemaker can do sql calls - so we're using that to dump info into mysql05:45
crythia2right...05:45
Radix-wrkwe don't really want to play with the webgui sql directly though, could change in future and break things.. hence why I decided to use the webgui perl api to add users05:45
crythia2ok.05:45
Radix-wrkthough we're using filemaker to dump a database containing group permissions for webgui to use05:46
Radix-wrkthat works a treat05:46
crythia2I'm playing with xdrive05:46
Radix-wrkwhat's that?05:46
crythia2I remember some 5 years ago when people were left and right providing free web storage and then they ALL went byebye.05:47
crythia2xdrive, idrive, freedrive...05:47
crythia2now aol bought xdrive. 5gb free online storage.05:47
Radix-wrkAhh.. neat05:47
crythia2worth a shot to trust again.05:47
Radix-wrkyou trust AOL? :)05:48
crythia2"Free" but I don't know how much AOL can stay forever.05:48
crythia2well, there is that, but on the other hand, AOL does have some deep pockets.05:48
crythia2I unfortunately need to reboot my computer... installation of the xdrive client on Windows xp...05:49
crythia2while I'm at it, I might as well enjoy time with my wife. Ciao for now.05:50
Radix-wrkmost of the free ones of yesterday got abused majorly by warez ppls.. hence why they went byebye05:50
Radix-wrkenjoy :)05:50
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ckotilim creating a wobject. i just got the thing installed. now to get it to do something16:26
ckotilmy requirements: we need to provide a portal that will allow us to show, after a customer logs in, 1) all of the customer's open tickets 2) all graphs that are associated with the customer's interface 3) all monitoring system alerts that are associated with the customer 4) a mechanism for the customer to update their contact infomation 5) a way for the customer to open a ticket that already has their customer info filled in16:26
+crythiasdotproject.20:01
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preactionckotil, that doesn't look like a question?01:04
preactionckotil, though I do recommend using Apache2::Reload if you're doing development work, and it seems to Just Work. see perldoc Apache2::Reload on how to use it01:04
preaction(it allows you do reload WebGUI modules without having to restart Apache)01:05
preactioni need ops here...01:05
Radix|_yes you do :)02:35
Radix|_ckotil: you could possibly use the soap and httpproxy objects to get some of that information if it's in other web apps.  And this is the perfect use for the dashboard - to let the customer see it all at a glance and customise it themselves02:36
Radix|_what ticket system are you using?02:37
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ckotilwe use nagios and alertmon15:20
Radix|_I had a play with the dashboard today.. had fun pulling data from other webpages and turning them into little dashlets for it.15:23
Radix|_haven't figured out if it's possible to use the http proxy to log into webservers requiring cookies though.. would be neat if you could.15:24
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vidar_hi guys11:23
Radix_yo11:25
vidar_The EventsCalendar small template, it does only view one event when the date is clicked, how should I solve problems where there are multiple events on the same date11:27
Radix_Sorry, I've never used the events calendar I'm afraid.11:28
vidar_I am not sure how much modification I need to perform11:28
vidar_ok11:28
vidar_but lets say you have some wobject and you need it to give you another view of the data11:28
vidar_should I write a macro, www_ function or  what?11:29
Radix_sounds like just the template really.. if it is designed for multiple events on the same day it should just be a matter of tweaking the view info11:31
vidar_hmm11:32
Radix_unfortunately, I've never used it, so don't know how the template is set up or if it's possible to do that11:32
vidar_the large calendar (shows all events in the date) loops through events11:32
vidar_the small one just links to the first in the list11:33
vidar_Radix_: do you use WRE?11:36
Radix_yup11:50
Radix_I'm using the RHEL4 one on CentOS 4.311:51
vidar_if I run webguiupdate, will it possibly have any bad effects on the site}11:56
Radix_only really if the update fails12:17
Radix_make a backup before you do it just in case12:17
vidar_backup of the /data directory is that sufficient?12:19
Radix_Sure.. witht he wre the /data dir has everything you need.. including the database.. tis what's nice about the wre12:23
Radix_I'd stick with 7.0.9 if you can for the moment though.. 7.1 ain't ready for production environments yet12:24
Radix_good luck with it whatever you do.. I'm out for a couple of hours12:25
vidar_:)12:34
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vidar_how comes that the new variables that I am declaring in the %var hash do never work in the templates18:08
vidar_do they never refresh??18:21
xdangerdid you clean your cache?18:22
xdangeron the server side that is18:22
xdangertemplates and assets are cachet for some time18:22
vidar_yes cleaned cach, restarted, commeted18:22
vidar_sorry18:23
vidar_cleared cache, restarted wre and commited18:23
vidar_But the variables are completely nonexistent18:24
xdangercommited?18:25
vidar_changes18:25
vidar_if I change the template then the changes are visible18:26
xdangeryou should commit first, then clear and restart18:26
vidar_but if I change the perl code then it never matters18:26
vidar_yes I did it in that order18:26
vidar_I even changed some of the variables but no change18:28
vidar_man18:33
vidar_this is twisted18:33
vidar_this is correct path? /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject18:35
vidar_is something wrong with this:18:49
vidar_$var{'day.label'} = 5;18:49
vidar_there must be some other caching going on18:55
vidar_I removed some variables from the code but still no change18:58
xdangerIs it before the $var is binded to the template?19:02
vidar_yes19:03
vidar_same place as the rest of the $var statements19:04
vidar_I have done this before19:04
vidar_no problem then19:04
vidar_'testvar'      => $daysInMonth19:05
vidar_in the push(@$monthloop, { did not either work19:05
vidar_any advise on perl module reload forcing?19:08
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xdangervidar_: Apache2::Reload or something...23:08
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preactionhey... we're bringing two staff up to speed (and i'm the slow one... :p)00:02
preactionall these custom assets, all these old versions, all this CLUTTER00:03
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preactioncrythias, which bug in particular? i'm pulling a late night for some reason :(02:57
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Radix-wrkanyone there?06:27
+crythiasheh06:28
+crythiaslong time to read, reply06:28
+crythiaspreaction: I'm joking.06:28
Radix-wrkanyone know what the template variables are that you can use with <tmpl_var content> to restrict it to the first X words or something?06:29
+crythiasonly available with the uss, I think.06:29
+crythiascs06:30
Radix-wrkI've seen them used before with forums in webgui, but can't remember the syntax06:30
Radix-wrkyeah.. with cs posts06:30
Radix-wrkIt's like <tmpl_var content.first100words> or something like that..06:30
Radix-wrkit's not documented anywhere though of course.. so I can't remember the exact wording used06:30
+crythiasyeah06:32
Radix-wrkI remember running into it in someone's example code - and thinking.. damn.. that's cool, but didn't have a use for it straight away.. now I have and can't remember what syntax it was06:33
+crythiasyeah and it's not as easy to find as before06:33
Radix-wrkThere should be a search for help :)06:36
Radix-wrkcontent.first.100words06:37
+crythiasyeah. and others06:38
Radix-wrkmight have been an RFE though it looks like06:38
Radix-wrkhttp://www.plainblack.com/plain_black_support/post.pm-variables06:39
+crythiashttp://www.plainblack.com/using_webgui?op=viewHelp;hid=article%20template;namespace=Asset_Article06:40
Radix-wrkdoesn't seem to be in collaboration posts though06:43
Radix-wrkonly variable for the post is content - no other options.. bummer.. might see if that's RFE'd already and if not request it.06:46
+crythiasyeah06:46
+crythiashttp://www.gwy2.org/fomfiles/cache/75.html06:48
Radix-wrkI'll have to hassle joeri again about sqlreport.org - that has some awesome sql examples in it.  He said he'd fixed it, but the site is still down for me.06:51
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preactionthere's also the same thing in the Article wobject07:52
preactioni find the entire thing kludgy, since all those vars need to be propagated in memory07:53
preactioninstead there should be a "previewLength" with something like (1 paragraph) or (100 words)07:53
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ckotilanyone know the template variable for the website's domain/host name21:26
ckotil?21:26
ckotil<tmpl_var session.config.sitename> isnt working for me21:33
xdangersession.env.hostname ? not really sure what it was21:37
+crythiashmm.21:38
+crythiashey... why?21:39
ckotili set up an RSS feed, using that method you have in the faq o matic. crythias 21:39
+crythiasoh. heh. 21:39
ckotilI just need to get my hostname into this RSS navigation template 21:39
+crythiasyou can't type  it? (respectfully)21:40
ckotili could, but i have 10 different host names21:40
+crythiasall 10 will use the same rss page?21:40
ckotilsame template21:41
+crythiaseven if it was a session variable...21:41
+crythias(turning debug on will help)21:41
ckotilk21:41
+crythiasyou'd get it from the request, I think, right?21:42
ckotili dunno. session.env.hostname i got from your nav template example 21:43
ckotilseems to no longer work in wG721:43
+crythiasright. I think no more session variables.21:44
ckotilOK21:44
ckotil^C is that the macro for company url?21:44
ckotilbc i could pry get by using that.21:45
+crythiashttp://www.plainblack.com/using_webgui?op=viewHelp;hid=template%20variables;namespace=Asset_Template21:45
+crythiashttp://www.plainblack.com/using_webgui?op=viewHelp;hid=company%20name;namespace=Macro_c_companyName21:45
+crythiashttp://www.plainblack.com/using_webgui?op=viewHelp;hid=company%20url;namespace=Macro_u_companyUrl21:46
ckotil;]21:46
ckotilthanks21:46
+crythiasyou're welcome.21:46
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preactiondamnit he left and i needed to thank him for helping me out... support days are brutal...00:20
Radix_You're doing a fair bit of support these days I notice.. giving JT and Roy a break huh? :)02:20
preactionyeah, Roy's got a big project, and JT's just forsaken support02:23
Radix_heh02:23
preactionRoy's got the fun of updating a whole slew of custom assets to webgui 702:24
Radix_Ahh.. lovely02:24
preaction(that were written by retarded monkeys)02:24
preactionbut i don't ask questions02:24
Radix_who's that for - brunswick?02:24
preactionhmm... i just insulted a client and i'm going to tell you whom? omg!02:24
Radix_lol02:25
Radix_true :)02:25
preactionbut to be honest, i don't know. wasnt' paying that much attention02:25
preactionjust liked the idea of getting them updated02:25
preactionold versions... ew...02:25
Radix_fair enough02:25
preactionbut as a trade-off, i get to completely redesign the EventsCalendar from scratch.02:26
preactionthis thing is going to be Sweet02:26
Radix_neat02:26
preactionMultiple feed types (iCal, RSS, Atom, XML, etc...) that just use standard templates (so you can edit just about every possible way of giving the data out)02:27
preactionI also hope to implement a larger percentage of the iCal RFC than most other systems02:27
preactionor at least leave things open enough so that they can be later02:27
preactioni'd REALLY like to see a centralized Event system, or Calendar system02:28
preactionso that things such as iCal's ToDo list, Journal entries, etc... can just be IN THERE02:28
Radix_any support for outlook 2003's crippled output formats? (I hate MS myself, but more than half my office uses it)02:28
preactionyeah, that's a big thing. wikipedia (of all places) has details on how I can do the workarounds02:29
Radix_heh.. cool02:29
preactioni have in mind a ?feed=ical;compat=outlook2003 or something similar02:29
Radix_sounds good :)02:30
preactionwith also allowing ?template= to be specified right from the URL (for custom templates)02:30
preactionso that you can have a default ?feed=XXX template, but also allow users to see it different ways02:30
Radix_Well I guess I'd better head off to work.  See ya again in an hour if you're still awake :)02:32
preactionhave fun02:33
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* Radix-wrk reads one of preaction's replies in the PB support forum and offers to help carry a pitchfork for the cause.03:59
preactionlol, oh god03:59
Radix-wrkheh03:59
preactionthe #css channel is RIFE with this crap...04:00
preactionhell, steve's got a problem with some CSS dropdown menus he's building with the navigation asset... it's weird.04:00
Radix-wrkyeah.. css/styles suck with IE around (and still very much dominant) unfortunately04:00
preactionin IE, the items that do not have a child UL are messed up04:00
preactioni've been stumped for hours04:01
Radix-wrkcan't fake a UL then? - ie. <UL>&nbsp;<UL>04:01
Radix-wrkerr.. </UL>04:01
preactionthat's not in the navigation asset04:02
preactioni think it's something to do with the negative margins he's been using04:02
Radix-wrkerk04:02
Radix-wrkenjoy! :)  (better you than me)04:02
preactionyeah...04:02
preactioni gave up and am now enjoying reading about Gnome's development roadmap04:03
Radix-wrkheh04:03
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vidar_preaction: I have been changing the EventsCalendar for my boss, he has some very basic needs which are not present (such as view only single/ day/week).15:12
vidar_But for some strange reason I can no longer change the source code15:13
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vidar_OK now this issue needs to be resolved17:25
vidar_$var{'pagination.previousPageUrlVidar'} = $self->getUrl('calMonthStart='.($calMonthStart-$monthRangeLength).';calMonthEnd='.($calMonthEnd-$monthRangeLength));17:26
vidar_$var{'pagination.previousPageUrlVidar2'} = $self->getUrl('calMonthStart='.($calMonthStart-$monthRangeLength).';calMonthEnd='.($calMonthEnd-$monthRangeLength));17:26
preactionum... that has to be the worst possible way to do it?17:26
vidar_the first variable is accessible from within a the template but the second is not17:26
vidar_preaction: this is just copy paste from existing code17:27
preactionwhich would explain why i'm rewriting it17:27
preactioni haven't even gotten a chance to look at the old one yet, i've just got a preliminary writeup on the new one17:28
vidar_I have looked at the old one17:28
vidar_first to fix this code (was missing parenthesis) to allow me to use AJAX to scrool between months17:29
preactionoooh17:30
vidar_now I decleared an array of a particular day17:30
vidar_to be able to have a template showing only one day of the month17:30
vidar_but the problem is that webgui/wre does not want to allow me to access the new variables17:31
vidar_and my boss is really annoyed why the calendar is still missing this essential functionality17:31
preactionwhere did you put them?17:31
vidar_at the same place as the rest17:32
preactionand i said i'm working on it, the problem is they've given me a month for the rewrite17:32
preactionyou restarted apache, right?17:32
vidar_look above, the first variable is working but the second (next statment in the code) is not accessible17:32
vidar_I have restarted everything except the server17:33
vidar_physical server that is17:33
preactionmeaning, i assume the kernel17:33
vidar_yes17:33
vidar_running wre on debian17:33
preactionyou'd have to paste more of your code than just those two lines17:33
preactiondamnit, why no bot in here17:34
preactionperlbot gave you a pastebin to use17:34
vidar_When I added the AJAX URL variable then I only needed to perform rc.webgui restart and it was working17:35
vidar_ok17:35
vidar_let my find a decent version17:35
vidar_hard to code without any testing17:35
preactionsure it's not, use Apache2::Reload17:36
preactionthat's what I use in my dev environment, works quite awesomely17:36
vidar_Should I put use Apache::Reload in EventsCalendar.pm ?17:40
preactionno, put it in your apache2.conf for your dev environment17:41
preactionand it has to be Apache2::Reload, you're using apache217:41
vidar_http://sial.org/pbot/2064717:41
vidar_preaction: I am still waiting for a dev environment17:42
preactiona single line after SetHandler perl-script17:42
preactionPerlInitHandler Apache2::Reload17:42
vidar_ok17:42
preactionit doesn't hurt anything on production (that i've noticed, do NOT quote me on that)17:42
vidar_hehe17:42
vidar_it is not production17:42
vidar_but it is being used on a presentation17:42
preactionall it does is reload a Perl module that's changed, I mean the only harm is if somehow you completely screw up the module and just forget about the Reload thing17:43
preactionoh wait, you need another line: PerlSetVar ReloadAll On17:43
preaction(that can be different things depending on what modules you want to reload)17:43
vidar_humm17:44
vidar_do I need both lines or just the latter}17:44
preactionboth17:45
preactionthe first one loads Apache2::Reload17:45
preactionthe second one tells Apache2::Reload what modules it's supposed to reload17:45
vidar_what about PerlInitHandler WebGUI}17:45
preactionthat stays17:45
vidar_ok17:46
preactionthat's very very important :p17:46
preactionread perldoc Apache2::Reload17:46
vidar_ok lets try this17:46
preaction... this code is a mess (not yours, the entire thing... can't blame you for trying to add things to an existing mess)17:47
vidar_hehe17:47
preactionbut it does give a good idea: instead of using different tables for different events, just use folders in the asset tree17:48
vidar_yes that is neat17:48
vidar_will your not be compatible with the current version?17:48
preactionshould they be configurable: say "EventCalendar instance 1" uses /events/public and "EventCalendar instance 2" uses /events17:48
preactionit'll break all compatibility, it has to17:48
preactioni'll be making an upgrade script as best i can17:49
preactionbut with your changes, it might be difficult17:49
vidar_the thing that I like about this one is the scope17:49
preactionbut your changes will be obsolete with my new one17:49
vidar_preaction: my changes are basically adding a extra GET parameter to filter one day17:49
preactionscope is basically selecting which folder is the folder we look for the event assets in17:49
vidar_yes17:49
preactionwould've been better to add a new www_ func17:50
preactionso i would think it far better to say "Select what folder to look for event assets in" and "Recursion depth" <- more straightforward17:50
vidar_preaction: that is what I thought17:50
preactioni have to change the event assets too17:50
preactionthere are basic things that don't exist in them17:50
vidar_preaction: I did not find any www_func documentation so I was not sure how that copes with templates17:51
preactionyeah, that's an interesting case...17:51
vidar_:>17:51
preactionif i understand correctly...17:51
preactionwebGUI calls the www_<func> method (with <func> equal to the ?func= param)17:52
vidar_yes17:52
preactionthe default www_view calls prepareView() to prepare the template17:52
preactionthen calls view()17:52
preactionthen writes headers, head tags, stylings, other stuff, and then the view() response, and then footers and the like17:53
vidar_all the code is in view()17:53
vidar_but it seems that the modules was not reloaded17:54
preactiondid you reload Apache2 after changing the config?17:54
preactioncheck the error log, you might've had a module error (and apache2::Reload would fail)17:54
vidar_I restarted WRE17:54
vidar_ok17:55
vidar_still trying to find my way around WRE17:55
preactionnot the webgui error log, the apache2 error log, /data/wre/prereqs/apache2/logs/modperl.error.log <- should be17:55
vidar_[Wed Oct 25 14:47:11 2006] [warn] Init: Session Cache is not configured [hint: SSLSessionCache]17:57
vidar_[Wed Oct 25 14:47:14 2006] [notice] Apache/2.0.58 (Unix) WebGUI/7.0.7 mod_ssl/2.0.58 OpenSSL/0.9.7i mod_apreq2-20051231/2.5.7 mod_perl/2.0.2 Perl/v5.8.8 configured -- resuming normal operations17:57
vidar_nothing going on here17:57
vidar_[Wed Oct 25 13:28:15 2006] (27998) Apache2::SizeLimit httpd process too big, exiting at SIZE=100480 KB  SHARE=45652 KB  REQUESTS=871 LIFETIME=21760 seconds17:58
vidar_interesting17:58
preactionthat happens all the time, i think the purpose of that is that mod_perl doesn't clean up some things right17:59
preactionor WebGUI17:59
preactionthere are a lot of circular references :(17:59
vidar_perhaps I should update webgui18:00
preactionwhat version you using?18:00
vidar_7.0.718:00
preaction7.1 isn't stable, but 7.0.9 is18:00
preactionshould be trivial18:00
vidar_scared to see if some of the templates break18:01
preactionwhy is there a startMonth and an endMonth?18:01
preactionyour templates should be fine18:01
preactionunless you changed the default ones18:01
preactionread the changelog18:01
preactionand the 7.0.* releases are bugfixes, <MAJOR>.<MINOR>.<BUGFIX> is the standard we're using iirc18:02
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ckotilhow do I view the rss feed from the messageboards?18:56
ckotilor, rss feed of the message boards rather18:56
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vidar_preaction: they use startMonth & EndMonth because the calendar can display multiple months at the same time20:06
preactionokay, that's planned for a future addition in mine, but to start will only be one "period" period being a day, week, etc...20:08
vidar_I have gathererd quite a specification from various customers regarding the calendar20:10
vidar_could be useful to see what others expect from a calendar asset20:11
preactionand I told frank I should post to the dev forum with the design doc I had, but he vetoed (since this rewrite is being funded by a client)20:16
preactionso instead I just have to keep everything open-ended, which is my default way of designing anyway *toot*20:16
+MrHairgreasegood to see someone's picking up the calendar20:18
+MrHairgreasewhat are the features your client needs?20:18
+MrHairgreaseor is it just a rewrite of the existing functionality?20:18
vidar_that would be a waste of money20:19
+MrHairgreasewhy?20:19
+MrHairgreaseI agree it sucks20:19
+MrHairgreasebut it just needs extra stuff20:19
vidar_no 20:20
+MrHairgreasea rewrite would be base20:20
preactionrewrite for more features, iCal, RSS, plus open-ended for more20:20
vidar_for example20:20
+MrHairgreaseyeah20:20
+MrHairgreaseso it needs extra stuff =)20:20
+MrHairgreaseright?20:20
preactionoh yes20:21
vidar_'url'           => $filteredEvents{$day}->[0]->{url}20:21
+MrHairgreaseyeah20:21
+MrHairgreasethat's ugly20:22
vidar_so each days url is just an event on that day20:22
vidar_what about other events on that day??20:22
vidar_this is trivial20:22
vidar_or at least there should be a 'all' => $filteredEvents{$day}20:23
+MrHairgreaseprobably it does20:24
+MrHairgreaseI'm sure preaction will fix those things20:25
vidar_MrHairgrease: do you have any idea why my code does not show up after apache restart?20:27
+MrHairgreaseyou mean you get perl code in you browser?20:28
+MrHairgreaseusually that's b/c apache doesn't know what to do with the files20:29
vidar_no I mean that my improved EventsCalendar behaves like the old one20:29
+MrHairgreaseoh20:29
+MrHairgreasedid you stop/start apache?20:29
vidar_ stoped WRE20:29
+MrHairgreaseok20:30
+MrHairgreaseI never used the wre before20:30
+MrHairgreaseso I'm not sure what to do20:30
+MrHairgreasedid you flush the cache?20:30
vidar_The only thing that has changed since I last modified the source is that more RAM was installed20:30
vidar_MrHairgrease: yes20:31
+MrHairgreaseanother possibility is that you are editing the wrong file20:31
+MrHairgreaseI had that once20:31
vidar_if I completly remove the module then it outputs a blank page20:31
vidar_if I use the new variables in the template then they are blank20:31
+MrHairgreasehmm20:31
+MrHairgreaseweird20:31
+MrHairgreasewhat kind of changes did you do20:32
vidar_if I change the content of existing variable then the old value is still showing20:32
vidar_I mostly added a new variable to the hash varible containing all the template stuff20:33
+MrHairgreasecan you paste the diff somewhere? 20:33
+MrHairgreaseI'll have a look20:33
+MrHairgreasebut first I have to do some grocery shopping20:34
+MrHairgreaseI'll be back in 30 or so20:34
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vidar_starnge20:50
vidar_I magnaged to change the Event.pm20:50
vidar_must be some error in my code20:53
+MrAfkGreasedid you commit your new templates?21:02
vidar_Not always, I see them changes as I always put version number on them21:06
ckotilhow do I view the rss feed of the messageboards?22:11
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isaacfinnegananyone here?22:18
isaacfinneganwhen processing a template, are macros processed before or after the template variables22:18
isaacfinnegantemplate tags, I mean22:18
+MrAfkGreaseafter22:27
+MrAfkGreasemacro's are processed in the end22:27
isaacfinnegank.  thx22:32
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+MrAfkGreaseperlbot rot13 jrothv23:08
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preactionperlbot host ip plainblack.com23:08
perlbotSorry, type ip isn't allowed.  It might take up too much space here, or may be unsupported.  Allowed types are: a aaaa ptr mx ns cname23:08
+MrAfkGreaseperlbot rot13 MrHairgrease23:08
perlbotZeUnveternfr23:08
-!- MrAfkGrease is now known as ZeUnveternfr23:08
preactionperlbot -f crypt23:08
preactionlol23:09
perlbotDocumentation for 'crypt' can be found here: http://snipurl.com/fsst23:09
+ZeUnveternfrperlbot scramble yoMomma23:09
perlbotymomMoa23:09
+ZeUnveternfrperlbot scramble yoMomma23:09
perlbotyMmmooa23:09
+ZeUnveternfrnice23:09
+ZeUnveternfrnow it's even easier to perform useless tasks =)23:10
preactionperlbot scramble i believe that was based on the study that you can still read words if the first and last letters are in the correct place23:10
perlboti beileve taht was bsead on the sdtuy taht you can slitl raed wrdos if the frist and lsat leertts are in the crrceot pclae23:10
+ZeUnveternfrah23:10
+ZeUnveternfri get it23:11
+ZeUnveternfrperlbot flip onno23:11
preactionperlbot flip 223:11
preactionhmm...23:11
preactionperlbot ymmv23:11
perlbotYour mileage may vary23:11
+ZeUnveternfraha23:11
preactionthat's the main thing, i need it in almost every channel i'm in23:11
+ZeUnveternfrperlbot scramble otto23:12
preactioni hate explaining IRC acronyms23:12
+ZeUnveternfrso don't23:12
preactioni don't, perlbot does23:12
preactionperlbot tmtowtdi23:12
perlbotThe Perl motto: There's more than one way to do it! Also pronounced as timtoady (which is also Larry's nick on IRC)23:12
+ZeUnveternfrperlbot tanstaafl23:12
+ZeUnveternfrperlbot tmtowtdi23:13
preactionomg23:13
perlbotThe Perl motto: There's more than one way to do it! Also pronounced as timtoady (which is also Larry's nick on IRC)23:13
preactionperlbot tanstaafl is There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch23:13
perlbotadded tanstaafl to the database23:13
+ZeUnveternfrvery good23:13
+ZeUnveternfrperlbot omg23:13
perlbotomg wtf bbq23:13
+ZeUnveternfrperlbot omg is Oh my god23:14
perlbotI already have an entry for omg23:14
+ZeUnveternfrperlbot omg23:14
perlbotomg wtf bbq23:14
+ZeUnveternfrperlbot omfg23:14
+ZeUnveternfrperlbot rtfm23:14
perlbothttp://mongers.org/rtfm23:14
+ZeUnveternfrperlbot rtfa23:15
perlbotRead The Fucking Article, Cunt Face23:15
+ZeUnveternfrheh23:15
* ZeUnveternfr is finished playing around23:15
isaacfinneganwow23:19
ckotilperlbot FOM23:23
ckotilperlbot FUBAR23:23
perlbotFucked Up Beyond All Repair23:23
preactionperlbot omfg is I can't believe you did that...23:23
perlbotadded omfg to the database23:23
+ZeUnveternfrperlbot bofh23:23
perlbotbastard operator from hell23:23
+ZeUnveternfrperlbot chainsaw23:24
ckotilperlbot ftw23:24
perlbotmaybe it's not just wtf backwards23:24
ckotilheh23:24
ckotilperlbot ftw is for the win23:24
perlbotI already have an entry for ftw23:24
ckotiltoo bad that caught on. i liked fuck the what better23:24
+ZeUnveternfrah well23:25
+ZeUnveternfrcan't have it all =)23:25
preactionperlbot karma c23:25
perlbotKarma for c: 148623:25
ckotilperlbot karma ckotil23:26
perlbotckotil doesn't have any karma23:26
ckotilaww23:26
preactionpreaction++23:26
perlbotWhat kind of idiot karmas himself?  Your kind of idiot!23:26
preactionperlbot karma preaction23:26
perlbotKarma for preaction: -123:26
preactionaww...23:26
+ZeUnveternfrperlbot karma ZeUnveternfr23:26
perlbotZeUnveternfr doesn't have any karma23:26
+ZeUnveternfrwell there's a surprise =)23:27
+ZeUnveternfrMrHairgrease++23:27
+ZeUnveternfrperlbot karma MrHairgrease23:27
perlbotKarma for MrHairgrease: 123:27
+ZeUnveternfrMrHairgrease++23:27
+ZeUnveternfrperlbot karma MrHairgrease23:27
perlbotKarma for MrHairgrease: 223:27
+ZeUnveternfrhah!23:27
+ZeUnveternfrbeat the system23:27
-!- ZeUnveternfr is now known as MrHairgrease23:28
* MrHairgrease is invincible!23:28
+MrHairgreaseperlbot flip zappo23:28
+MrHairgreaseMrHairgrease++23:28
perlbotWhat kind of idiot karmas himself?  Your kind of idiot!23:28
+MrHairgreaseperlbot karma MrHairgrease23:29
perlbotKarma for MrHairgrease: 123:29
ckotilAre there any way to view/get stats of user page views?23:37
preactionlike, on a per-WebGUI-user basis? or like from the Apache access logs?23:43
ckotilper webgui user would be really nice23:48
ckotili can use awstats on the logs.23:48
+MrHairgreaseperhaps you can tie in webgui larma as well23:49
+MrHairgreasekarma*23:49
+MrHairgreaseperlbot perlbot23:49
perlbotPerl OO tricks and examples - http://perldoc.perl.org/perlbot.html23:49
preactionthere'd probably be a way to see which user logged in from which IP and for what duration from the access logs, otherwise i'm not seeing anything directly inside webgui23:50
ckotilya.23:50
+MrHairgreaseyou'd have to tie perlbot to the webgui api to do the karma thing23:50
xdangerMrHairgrease++23:50
+MrHairgreasexdanger++23:51
preactionoh, that's what you mean23:51
+MrHairgreaseyes23:51
xdangeryey, a bot to play with!23:51
preactioni think chris made a list karma site23:51
preactioni want to know where the list factoids site is too23:51
ckotilit'd be really cool to see page views and performance. in webgui23:51
xdangerI should be reading for my exam =)23:51
+MrHairgreasewho's chris23:51
preactionChris62vw wrote perlbot23:51
preactionperlbot author23:51
+MrHairgreaseoh23:51
+MrHairgreaseic23:52
preactionperlbot Chris62vw23:52
perlbotmy master23:52
+MrHairgreaseperlbot chris23:52
perlbotMaster of the universe!23:52
+MrHairgreaseheh23:52
preactionand so modest too23:52
+MrHairgreasewell23:52
+MrHairgreasemore modest than I am23:52
+MrHairgrease=)23:52
preactionyou claim time as your mistress?23:52
preactioncould you give me some more? i seem to lose large chunks of it to the support forums23:53
+MrHairgreasenot time23:54
+MrHairgreaseit must be that weidr 11th string theory dimesion23:54
+MrHairgreaseperlbot slap Mrhairgrease23:54
* perlbot slaps Mrhairgrease around a bit with a large trout23:54
+MrHairgreasethat's better23:55
preactionthe one that ties all of creation together, the force, God, metaphysics, quantum theory, and good ol' Width/Depth/Height all in one?23:56
+MrHairgreaseyeah23:58
+MrHairgreasethat's it23:58
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+crythiasgoogle desktop rocks.22:03
+crythiasjust sayin'22:03
preactionnever tried it22:04
preactiondo they even HAVE a linux version?22:05
+crythiasdon't think so.22:05
preactionso i don't get to try it either :(22:05
+crythias:(22:07
+crythiasapparently KDE has a desktop search...22:08
+crythiashttp://linux.softpedia.com/get/Desktop-Environment/Tools/Kat-Desktop-Search-Engine-for-Linux-2138.shtml22:08
preactionGnome's working on something similar for v3, something to integrate just about every part of the desktop22:09
preactionbut since i'm migrating to Xfce when i finally get my http/file server running, it doesn't matter which i use really (not that it ever does... yay linux!)22:10
+crythiashttp://beagle-project.org/Main_Page22:14
+crythias:) Yep, xfce is nice.22:14
+crythiasI use ion3d... or I used to until I got my WinXP laptop and didn't go back.22:14
preactionyou poor sucka22:17
preactioni've got a MacBook Pro ;)22:17
+crythiasHow does it feel to have nothing that works with your laptop?22:17
+crythias:) :) :) :)22:18
preactionhttp://gnu-darwin.org <- waiting, waiting, waiting22:18
preactionif i could just completely replace the Mac OSX crap with Xorg, Xfce, etc...22:21
+crythiasYellowdog?22:21
preactioni mean, my ubuntu comp is FOSS, it has it's problems, but they're COMFORTABLE problems22:21
xdangerwhy would you want to use anything else than mac osx for desktop?22:22
+crythiashttp://www.intuitive.com/blog/ubuntu_linux_yellowdog_linux_and_mac_os_x_all_on_one_powerbook.html22:22
preactioncrythias, interesting... wonder how the hardware support is... must google22:26
+crythiasnow, YellowDog was intending to be for PPC ... with Intel, you could possibly use a standard dist.22:27
preactionyeah, it's an intel22:27
preactionbut debian's had a PPC kernel for a while22:27
+crythiashttp://bin-false.org/?p=1722:30
+crythiasperlbot eval(False==False);22:55
+crythias:)22:55
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ckotilis there something i can put into the definition of a wobject that will automatically create the admin buttons (icon, DELETE, EDIT, CUT, COPY, SHORTCUT) for the wobject?20:30
ckotilI cant track down the code needed to add that20:30
ckotiloh pry in the template eh?20:51
ckotilyah.20:56
preaction_yeah, in the template itself21:04
preaction_tmpl_var controls i believe21:04
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ckotiltoo ez ;]21:10
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preactionhas anyone gotten to take a look at Yui ever?02:33
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