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| Radix_ | not 2 o clock here tho :) was just after midnight when i said that for me :) | 02:41 |
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| Jiggie | morning | 16:27 |
| Jiggie | is anyone here | 16:27 |
| ckotil | good morning | 16:27 |
| Jiggie | morning | 16:38 |
| Jiggie | brb | 16:38 |
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| Radix_ | yeah.. i am | 17:21 |
| Radix_ | but u not :( | 17:21 |
| ckotil | The template design process is going smooth, even tho im getting wierd ass erors about stockdata and getUIlevel | 19:32 |
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| sgsax | anybody here? | 23:19 |
| sgsax | I'm having problems installing/configuring 7.0.3 | 23:19 |
| snapcoun1 | are you using WRE? | 23:32 |
| sgsax | no, installing from source | 23:35 |
| sgsax | 99% sure my problem is with perl, but I'm not familiar enough with it to debug the actual problem | 23:36 |
| snapcoun1 | ok | 23:47 |
| snapcoun1 | what is your problem? Error messages? | 23:48 |
| sgsax | I've been trying the install on two different systems, one gentoo, the other opensuse 10.1 | 23:49 |
| snapcoun1 | ok | 23:50 |
| sgsax | running testEnvironment.pl, both get as far as installing Data::Structure::Util and fail there | 23:50 |
| sgsax | here's some of the errors/warnings from the suse machine | 23:52 |
| sgsax | Warning: this distribution contains XS files, but Module::Build is not configured with C_support at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/Module/Build/Base.pm line 1128. | 23:53 |
| sgsax | Creating new 'Build' script for 'Data-Structure-Util' version '0.12' | 23:53 |
| sgsax | Unknown 'build_class', defaulting to 'Module::Build' | 23:53 |
| sgsax | /usr/bin/perl Build --makefile_env_macros 1 | 23:53 |
| sgsax | lib/Data/Structure/Util.pm -> blib/lib/Data/Structure/Util.pm | 23:53 |
| sgsax | lib/Data/Structure/Util.xs -> lib/Data/Structure/Util.c | 23:53 |
| sgsax | Module::Build is not configured with C_support at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/Module/Build/Base.pm line 3734. | 23:53 |
| sgsax | make: *** [all] Error 2 | 23:53 |
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| snapcoun1 | yikes | 00:00 |
| snapcoun1 | that's nasty | 00:00 |
| sgsax | this is a clean install of perl, using almost all "official" suse packages | 00:01 |
| sgsax | I did install a couple of the modules using cpan | 00:02 |
| snapcoun1 | I would google the error and look at the docs for Module::Build and try to run perl Makefile.PL with the args necessary to enable C_support | 00:02 |
| snapcoun1 | you need to build that module with that option enabled | 00:02 |
| snapcoun1 | it's probably a switch like --enable-c-support or something | 00:03 |
| snapcoun1 | i.e., perl Makefile.PL --with-c-support=/path/to/gcc | 00:03 |
| snapcoun1 | something like that I would guess | 00:03 |
| snapcoun1 | the docs would tell you and google can be very helpful with stuff like this | 00:03 |
| snapcoun1 | then of course you run make, make install | 00:04 |
| sgsax | problem is I don't know perl very well at all, so a lot of what's out there doesn't register | 00:04 |
| snapcoun1 | hmm | 00:04 |
| sgsax | can you tell me where the perl source files are typically stored? | 00:04 |
| sgsax | nm, think I found it | 00:05 |
| snapcoun1 | you may not have them if this perl came with your distro | 00:05 |
| snapcoun1 | you might have to compile perl yourself and enable c support | 00:05 |
| snapcoun1 | you may have better luck building the WRE from source | 00:06 |
| sgsax | ugh | 00:06 |
| snapcoun1 | it's all automated | 00:06 |
| snapcoun1 | (the build process) | 00:06 |
| snapcoun1 | and it comes with it's own perl | 00:06 |
| snapcoun1 | that works with WebGUI | 00:06 |
| snapcoun1 | basically you type | 00:07 |
| snapcoun1 | >./build.sh | 00:07 |
| snapcoun1 | and it runs for 4 hours | 00:07 |
| snapcoun1 | and you're done | 00:07 |
| snapcoun1 | =) | 00:07 |
| sgsax | heh, sounds like fun | 00:07 |
| sgsax | I never even considered using the WRE | 00:07 |
| sgsax | figured I could hack the source install myself | 00:08 |
| snapcoun1 | it's not easy | 00:08 |
| snapcoun1 | WebGUI has many many deps | 00:08 |
| sgsax | apparently | 00:08 |
| snapcoun1 | the whole reason we made the WRE, to make it easier for sysadmins | 00:08 |
| sgsax | I'll give it a try, thanks | 00:09 |
| snapcoun1 | sure... if you have problems with WRE, there should be plenty of people around who can help with that =) | 00:09 |
| snapcoun1 | it's what most people use to run wG | 00:09 |
| xdanger | snapcoun1: btw, have you run in to perlbal? | 00:11 |
| snapcoun1 | no, what is that? | 00:12 |
| xdanger | http://www.danga.com/perlbal/ | 00:12 |
| xdanger | just doing some research, and came upon that.. | 00:12 |
| snapcoun1 | heh | 00:13 |
| snapcoun1 | does it sit in front of your web servers or replace them? | 00:13 |
| xdanger | one of the things that runs livejournal.com | 00:13 |
| xdanger | replace the frontsite proxy.. | 00:13 |
| snapcoun1 | I see... so static content | 00:13 |
| xdanger | it does much more than mod_proxy | 00:13 |
| xdanger | it also has internal redirects.. | 00:14 |
| xdanger | I was thinking about testing that with webgui at some point... | 00:14 |
| snapcoun1 | interesting | 00:14 |
| snapcoun1 | Len does a lot of work with high traffic sites, I wonder if he's tried this | 00:15 |
| xdanger | http://www.danga.com/words/2004_pdx_pm_perlbal/perlbal.pdf | 00:15 |
| xdanger | theres an old paper on that.. | 00:15 |
| xdanger | only problem is that it's currently linux only.. | 00:15 |
| snapcoun1 | you run BSD? | 00:16 |
| xdanger | no, not yet anyway =) | 00:16 |
| snapcoun1 | I see | 00:16 |
| xdanger | we're thinking about moving to openbsd on our main servers | 00:16 |
| xdanger | since linux security sucks.. | 00:16 |
| xdanger | too many local root exploits for out liking... | 00:17 |
| xdanger | since we run general hosting.. | 00:17 |
| snapcoun1 | do you offer shells? | 00:17 |
| xdanger | yep =/ | 00:17 |
| snapcoun1 | yikes! | 00:17 |
| snapcoun1 | that must be fun to administer | 00:17 |
| snapcoun1 | I would be so paranoid | 00:17 |
| xdanger | we are =D | 00:17 |
| xdanger | I'm desingin a blog/picgallery/webpage thingy, and just have to steal alot of webguis ideas =P | 00:19 |
| jmorgan | sgsax: have you installed ExtUtils::ParseXs? that should fix the error your seeing | 00:19 |
| jmorgan | i had the same "Module::Build is not configured with C_support" error & ExtUtils::ParseXs fixed it | 00:22 |
| snapcoun1 | jmorgan: cool, I'll have to take note of that. Thanks for the tip | 00:23 |
| jmorgan | yup, Google's your friend ;_ | 00:26 |
| jmorgan | s/;_/;-) | 00:26 |
| jmorgan | snapcoun1: I'm going to be setting up a few Debian boxes tonight so If you need someone to test your latest WRE, I'm able | 00:33 |
| snapcoun1 | go for it | 00:33 |
| snapcoun1 | I'm using the latest debian build on one of my dev servers and it's ok | 00:34 |
| snapcoun1 | but the more the better | 00:34 |
| jmorgan | how can I get it? | 00:34 |
| snapcoun1 | it's on sourceforge | 00:34 |
| snapcoun1 | www.sf.net/projects/pbwebgui | 00:34 |
| snapcoun1 | ->files | 00:35 |
| * jmorgan reads "PBWG: Meet Roy Johnson" while downloading | 00:37 | |
| snapcoun1 | heh | 00:42 |
| sgsax | jmorgan: thanks for the tip, but that module is already installed | 00:44 |
| sgsax | ExtUtils::ParseXS is up to date (2.15) | 00:44 |
| sgsax | so will WRE overwrite any of my other system configuration and apps, or does it just create it's own little environment for webgui to run out of? | 00:46 |
| snapcoun1 | it's all self contained | 00:47 |
| snapcoun1 | when you're done you can actually move you're entire setup to another server by copying one folder | 00:48 |
| sgsax | ah, good, didn't want it fubaring my production server when I got to that point | 00:48 |
| snapcoun1 | uhh | 00:48 |
| snapcoun1 | you're starting off on a dev server right? | 00:49 |
| sgsax | yep | 00:49 |
| snapcoun1 | kk | 00:49 |
| snapcoun1 | good =) | 00:49 |
| sgsax | I'm not that much of a n00b :) | 00:49 |
| sgsax | just not good with perl | 00:49 |
| jmorgan | is the latest wre-debian include the POE::Component::Client::HTTP module? | 00:50 |
| jmorgan | on sf | 00:50 |
| snapcoun1 | yes | 00:51 |
| snapcoun1 | none of the others do. this one does because I compiled it after that change was made to wG | 00:52 |
| snapcoun1 | sgsax: heh... you'd be surprised what people do =) | 00:52 |
| snapcoun1 | so I play it safe and drop friendly hints =) | 00:52 |
| jmorgan | ok, great! | 00:53 |
| snapcoun1 | man... V for Vendetta was a good movie | 00:55 |
| sgsax | snapcoun1: no problem, I appreciate advise :0 | 00:56 |
| sgsax | and that was a good flick | 00:56 |
| snapcoun1 | I bought it today... now I'm ripping it so I don't have to carry the stupid disc around | 00:57 |
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| Radix_ | is the new debian wre for stable or testing debian? | 02:24 |
| snapcoun1 | I compiled it on testing | 02:25 |
| snapcoun1 | but it should work on either I'd imagine | 02:25 |
| Radix_ | cool | 02:31 |
| Radix_ | will it be actively maintained in future tho? or am i better with going rhel4? | 02:32 |
| snapcoun1 | it will be maintained | 02:51 |
| Radix_ | great news :) | 02:55 |
| jmorgan | has anypne tested large number of wre websitse? | 03:02 |
| jmorgan | i'm wondering how many could fit a dual-proc + lots of ramm box | 03:03 |
| snapcoun1 | yes | 03:27 |
| snapcoun1 | we have some boxes easily running 300+ sites | 03:29 |
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| snapcoun1 | greetings crythias | 04:42 |
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| +crythia1 | hello | 05:03 |
| snapcoun1 | how goes it? | 05:03 |
| snapcoun1 | hmm | 05:05 |
| snapcoun1 | let's see who's paying attention | 05:05 |
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| -!- mode/#webgui [+o Radix_] by snapcount | 05:07 | |
| @snapcount | weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee | 05:07 |
| @snapcount | you're all hired | 05:07 |
| -!- mode/#webgui [-oooo jmorgan luke___ Radix-wrk Radix_] by snapcount | 05:08 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [-ooo crythia1 sgsax xdanger] by snapcount | 05:08 | |
| Radix-wrk | aww | 05:08 |
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| @snapcount | unf | 05:09 |
| +crythia1 | oops | 05:09 |
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| snapcount | I was kicking myself | 05:09 |
| snapcount | lol | 05:09 |
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| +crythia1 | grr | 05:09 |
| Radix-wrk | currently doing a big webgui upgrade.. busy busy! | 05:10 |
| * crythia1 loves making rfe's that get 1e-6 difficulty. | 05:10 | |
| snapcount | we like that too | 05:10 |
| +crythia1 | ok.. :P | 05:11 |
| snapcount | is that to the neg 6 or 6 | 05:11 |
| +crythia1 | neg 6 | 05:12 |
| snapcount | yeah we like those | 05:12 |
| +crythia1 | it wasn't a bad request. | 05:12 |
| snapcount | did you submit the wiki rfe? | 05:12 |
| +crythia1 | yeah | 05:12 |
| +crythia1 | I think. | 05:12 |
| +crythia1 | well, maybe JT did as a result of our discuss | 05:13 |
| snapcount | I dumped all of my Karma into that last night 1300+ | 05:13 |
| snapcount | it has a factor of 80 so it didn't move but a few spots | 05:13 |
| +crythia1 | I still have nearly 3800karma | 05:13 |
| +crythia1 | I dump like 1000 karma at a shot | 05:13 |
| snapcount | you deserve all of it too | 05:13 |
| +crythia1 | who, me? Someone decides that all my posts get thumbs down. :) | 05:14 |
| +crythia1 | then again, maybe I'm also getting karma transfered to me, as well. | 05:14 |
| Radix-wrk | do my rfe.. it's easy (and I've dumped all my points in that too) | 05:14 |
| snapcount | I think my interview has gotten thumbs down so don't feel bad lol | 05:15 |
| +crythia1 | which? | 05:15 |
| snapcount | the pbwg interview | 05:15 |
| snapcount | I guess I'm not good with the press | 05:15 |
| snapcount | hehe | 05:15 |
| +crythia1 | no, I meant for radix, but that's good to know, too | 05:15 |
| Radix-wrk | It's now #1 :) | 05:16 |
| Radix-wrk | just dumped more points in it again | 05:16 |
| +crythia1 | image management? | 05:16 |
| Radix-wrk | yah :) | 05:16 |
| +crythia1 | how can it work? | 05:16 |
| +crythia1 | friendly urls? | 05:16 |
| +crythia1 | I know how it *can* work, but it's not nice. | 05:17 |
| +crythia1 | friendly urls for images. | 05:17 |
| Radix-wrk | just need editor to use the proper url - and not the direct url | 05:18 |
| +crythia1 | imagine a mod_rewrite.conf that is included be reference into httpd.conf/VirtualHost | 05:18 |
| +crythia1 | be: by | 05:18 |
| +crythia1 | imagine that the rewrite rules get appended with/modified by the change of new images. | 05:19 |
| +crythia1 | imagine that I make sense and someone believes what I say can work :) | 05:20 |
| +crythia1 | I have another issue with the rich editor. I would love it if I could use <a href="#">link</a> and not have to worry about the # beling prepended with the current page. | 05:21 |
| +crythia1 | um. ok, but why do I have my responses removed from rfe? | 05:23 |
| +crythia1 | sigh | 05:23 |
| +crythia1 | http://www.plainblack.com/rfe/request-for-enhancement/dynamic-slide-show#GBa6H_CxaxxGD-VcVYU2CA | 05:23 |
| +crythia1 | this is an HTML code issue. It isn't a WebGUI issue. | 05:24 |
| +crythia1 | I provided a code snippet that would provide the answer and it got removed. | 05:24 |
| snapcount | what? | 05:26 |
| snapcount | I don't understand that... was it like a default template rfe? | 05:27 |
| +crythia1 | Tiffany wants some sort of mouse-over/click/change big image thing | 05:30 |
| +crythia1 | but it's silly. it's just web code. | 05:30 |
| +crythia1 | How easy? | 05:31 |
| Radix-wrk | erk | 05:32 |
| +crythia1 | You put your "big" image and give it a name=. then you put your "thumbnail" images on the side. Onclick document.img.name.src="bigimageforthethumbnail.jpg" | 05:32 |
| Radix-wrk | getting errors in the big webgui upgrade :( | 05:32 |
| Radix-wrk | 6.8.10 - 7.0.3 | 05:32 |
| Radix-wrk | fdsweb 6.8.10-6.99.0 | 05:32 |
| Radix-wrk | Backing up fdsweb (6.8.10)...OK | 05:32 |
| Radix-wrk | Changing dbCacheTimeout to groupCacheTimeout. | 05:32 |
| Radix-wrk | Adding workflow. | 05:32 |
| Radix-wrk | Making database changes. | 05:32 |
| Radix-wrk | DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Table 'WorkflowSchedule' already exists at ../../lib/WebGUI/SQL/ResultSet.pm line 135. | 05:32 |
| +crythia1 | oops | 05:33 |
| +crythia1 | you sure you didn't already upgrade and fail? | 05:33 |
| snapcount | select * from webguiVersions; | 05:33 |
| Radix-wrk | nup.. first time for this database | 05:33 |
| snapcount | webguiVersion | 05:33 |
| +crythia1 | Workflow wouldn't exist in 6.8.10 | 05:33 |
| Radix-wrk | unless.. hmm.. remnants from a previous test.. | 05:33 |
| +crythia1 | likely. | 05:34 |
| +crythia1 | drop the table | 05:34 |
| +crythia1 | or the field. | 05:34 |
| +crythia1 | yeah. field | 05:34 |
| Radix-wrk | didn't think to do that.. bugger | 05:34 |
| +crythia1 | backup exists in /tmp/backups by default | 05:34 |
| +crythia1 | whose default? not mine. I didn't. | 05:34 |
| Radix-wrk | I'll start again from scratch - lots depend on this | 05:35 |
| * Radix-wrk waits patiently for the backup /data directory to extract. | 05:42 | |
| * Radix-wrk twiddles his thumbs. | 05:42 | |
| Radix-wrk | yay.. working smoothly this time round | 05:51 |
| snapcount | woot! | 05:51 |
| Radix-wrk | so far anyway.. it's still upgrading :) | 05:52 |
| Radix-wrk | yay.. finished upgrading everything to 7.0.3. Now to move it to our new WRE setup. | 05:56 |
| snapcount | sweet | 05:56 |
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| Radix-wrk | 2006/08/02 11:27:23 - FATAL - webgui.formsys.com.conf - WebGUI::Session::ErrorHandler::fatal[190] - Couldn't connect to database. | 06:26 |
| Radix-wrk | 2006/08/02 11:27:23 - FATAL - webgui.formsys.com.conf - WebGUI::Session::Setting::new[118] - Couldn't connect to database. | 06:26 |
| Radix-wrk | any idea what would cause this? | 06:26 |
| Radix-wrk | whatever has happened.. it's locked the database totally.. in a loop somehow - can't even stop them | 06:28 |
| snapcount | hmm | 06:30 |
| snapcount | this is WRE? | 06:30 |
| Radix-wrk | yeah | 06:30 |
| snapcount | are you sure that mysql is running? | 06:31 |
| Radix-wrk | I had WRE all setup.. ready for transplant | 06:31 |
| snapcount | ps aux | grep mysqld | 06:31 |
| Radix-wrk | hmm.. it was.. but now it's not.. wierd | 06:32 |
| snapcount | check /etc for a my.cnf file | 06:32 |
| Radix-wrk | nah.. I've been through that | 06:33 |
| snapcount | well, if you're running redhat or one of it's variants, the updates are known to recreate that file | 06:33 |
| Radix-wrk | We've come from a debian webgui setup - and not only going to 7.0.3 with it, but also moving it all over to wre | 06:33 |
| Radix-wrk | I set this WRE with a test database previously, and essentially just doing a switch over with the database and uploads/extras dir | 06:34 |
| snapcount | then try running mysql manually and see what the errors are | 06:34 |
| Radix-wrk | where do the mysql errors get put? | 06:34 |
| snapcount | ping | 06:35 |
| snapcount | wierd | 06:35 |
| Radix-wrk | 060802 11:33:38 mysqld started | 06:36 |
| Radix-wrk | 060802 11:33:39 InnoDB: Operating system error number 13 in a file operation. | 06:36 |
| Radix-wrk | InnoDB: The error means mysqld does not have the access rights to | 06:36 |
| Radix-wrk | InnoDB: the directory. | 06:36 |
| Radix-wrk | InnoDB: File name ./ibdata1 | 06:36 |
| Radix-wrk | InnoDB: File operation call: 'open'. | 06:36 |
| Radix-wrk | InnoDB: Cannot continue operation. | 06:36 |
| Radix-wrk | 060802 11:33:39 mysqld ended | 06:36 |
| snapcount | chown -R mysql /data/wre/prereqs/mysql | 06:36 |
| Radix-wrk | Ahh.. I fcked it up when I changed ownership | 06:36 |
| Radix-wrk | I did it on /data and not just the extras/uploads | 06:36 |
| snapcount | also, unless you're using innodb for something other than wg, I would disable it | 06:37 |
| Radix-wrk | any other permissions I should set | 06:37 |
| snapcount | make sure nobody owns the uploads folder and everything under it | 06:37 |
| snapcount | for your sites | 06:37 |
| Radix-wrk | in the prereqs folder tho.. I've set everything to nobody:nobody | 06:37 |
| Radix-wrk | should perl/utils/memcached/imagemagick belong to anyone specifically? | 06:38 |
| snapcount | no | 06:38 |
| Radix-wrk | cool | 06:38 |
| snapcount | mysql has to be owned by a user called mysql though | 06:39 |
| Radix-wrk | cool.. fixed that then hopefully :) | 06:39 |
| snapcount | you can add --skip-innodb to /data/wre/prereqs/mysql/my.cnf if you want to turn innodb off | 06:39 |
| snapcount | under the mysqld section | 06:40 |
| snapcount | sorry | 06:40 |
| snapcount | just skip-innodb | 06:40 |
| Radix-wrk | yeah.. cool | 06:40 |
| snapcount | no -- in front | 06:40 |
| Radix-wrk | just in the mysqld section? | 06:40 |
| snapcount | yep | 06:40 |
| snapcount | wre will be like that by default next release | 06:41 |
| Radix-wrk | success! :) | 06:41 |
| Radix-wrk | now to do some tweaks to fix forms, etc | 06:41 |
| snapcount | cool beans | 06:42 |
| Radix-wrk | can finally delete two years worth of trash! :) | 06:43 |
| snapcount | lol | 06:44 |
| snapcount | bed time for me... good luck finishing up =) | 06:47 |
| Radix-wrk | cheers for your help :) | 06:47 |
| snapcount | np | 06:47 |
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| Radix-wrk | anyone know how the wre backup script works? | 07:31 |
| Radix-wrk | it just seems to produce errors for me :( | 07:31 |
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| Radix-wrk | hey snapcoun1 :) | 09:01 |
| Radix-wrk | weren't you off to bed a couple of hours ago? | 09:01 |
| Radix-wrk | he's sleep-irc'ing obviously | 09:25 |
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| ckotil | im having issues with veritcal menu navigation | 16:16 |
| ckotil | http://newt.grnoc.iu.edu/webgui/ | 16:16 |
| ckotil | hover over the links on the left_nav | 16:16 |
| ckotil | you can be right on top of the link and not be able to click anything | 16:17 |
| ckotil | any ideas? | 16:17 |
| ckotil | also. i wish there were a way to get 'cool menu' to evenly space the links, and seperate the links with a / , or | or something. | 16:18 |
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| Jiggie | ok karnales | 17:40 |
| Jiggie | anyone here | 17:40 |
| ckotil | yeah | 17:40 |
| Jiggie | are u good with webgui crap | 17:40 |
| Jiggie | where does the database gets stored | 17:41 |
| ckotil | not really | 17:41 |
| ckotil | i dont use the wre | 17:41 |
| ckotil | so for me its in mysql | 17:41 |
| Jiggie | where then inmysql | 17:41 |
| Jiggie | whats the path tot the folder | 17:41 |
| ckotil | what are you looking for? | 17:42 |
| Jiggie | well i have webgui 6.2.11 | 17:42 |
| Jiggie | finally got perl preload and test environment to pass | 17:42 |
| Jiggie | now i want to upgrade to 7 | 17:42 |
| ckotil | do you have a site? | 17:43 |
| Jiggie | so i took the database that is on our webgui box and copied to WebGUI folder in this new box | 17:43 |
| Jiggie | i still dont have the site up, but crythias said it wasnt necesary to have it up to upgrade | 17:43 |
| ckotil | ok then you need to get wG7 source and follow the upgrade instructions. there is a certain path you must take. upgrade to 6.8 then 6.9 then or something like that | 17:44 |
| Jiggie | yeah i get that | 17:44 |
| ckotil | k | 17:44 |
| ckotil | so you have a .sql file of your database? | 17:45 |
| Jiggie | yes | 17:45 |
| Jiggie | i want to know where should i go to make webgui use that database | 17:45 |
| ckotil | i create .sql backups of my dataabse via mysqldump. then to put the backup back into mysel you do the following | 17:45 |
| Jiggie | what does this do....it does not want to work for me mysql -uwebgui -ppassword WebGUI < docs/create.sql | 17:46 |
| ckotil | login to mysql drop database webgui; then create database webgui | 17:46 |
| ckotil | then do that ^ | 17:46 |
| ckotil | create.sql creates the db for the first time | 17:46 |
| ckotil | you wont need to do that | 17:46 |
| ckotil | but instead replace docs/create.sql with your backup.sql | 17:47 |
| ckotil | and you will hae your old database on mysql | 17:47 |
| Jiggie | wait a minute | 17:47 |
| Jiggie | so just go into my sql and see what database its using | 17:47 |
| Jiggie | and drop it | 17:48 |
| ckotil | ou must drop it before bringing up an old one | 17:48 |
| Jiggie | then i can just rename the old with the current db name and use it again right.... | 17:48 |
| Jiggie | not vey good with sql | 17:48 |
| ckotil | i see that ;] | 17:48 |
| Jiggie | would you walk me tru | 17:48 |
| ckotil | i dont really have time | 17:49 |
| ckotil | sorry. | 17:49 |
| Jiggie | ok | 17:49 |
| Jiggie | thanks anyways | 17:52 |
| ckotil | can you jsut do a fresh install? | 17:54 |
| ckotil | then export the old site into it? | 17:54 |
| Jiggie | fresh install, i can | 17:59 |
| Jiggie | but i tought i had to upgrade my database first in order for it tow ork with 7 | 17:59 |
| ckotil | ya i think you do | 17:59 |
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| Jiggie | crythias | 18:57 |
| Jiggie | do you have some time | 18:57 |
| +crythias | briefly | 18:57 |
| Jiggie | ok | 18:58 |
| Jiggie | here it is | 18:58 |
| Jiggie | you had given me instructions on upgrading | 18:58 |
| Jiggie | i ran preload and test env and they both run without a problem | 18:59 |
| Jiggie | no i extracted a new version to continue wiotht eh upgrade | 18:59 |
| Jiggie | then i have to run upgrade.pl | 18:59 |
| Jiggie | but its not working | 18:59 |
| +crythias | what version | 19:00 |
| Jiggie | http://www.plainblack.com/etcetera/is-there-a-wre-for-6.2.11 | 19:00 |
| +crythias | yes. you started at 6.2.11, right? | 19:00 |
| +crythias | then you put 6.6.5 | 19:00 |
| +crythias | then upgrade | 19:00 |
| ckotil | http://borgman.enquirer.com/weekly/daily_html/2006/08/080206borgman.html | 19:10 |
| +crythias | Blame Bush! | 19:11 |
| +crythias | :) | 19:11 |
| +crythias | It's obvious that he knew the jetstream would have been modified, and did nothing to stop it </sarcasm> | 19:11 |
| ckotil | heh | 19:27 |
| Jiggie | back | 20:16 |
| Jiggie | how is everyone doing | 20:16 |
| ckotil | better | 20:51 |
| ckotil | someone posted a fix to my navigation + vertical menu problem | 20:54 |
| ckotil | and the errors ive been getting are due to the fact that im sitll running an old mod_perl while most of the perl m,odules are newer | 20:55 |
| Jiggie | i c | 20:56 |
| sgsax | is there an easy way to find how how far through the wre you are? | 21:21 |
| sgsax | I know it's supposed to take a long time, I was jsut hoping for some kind of status indicator | 21:22 |
| jmorgan | I'm not sure what you mean. wre is untar & go for set up | 21:23 |
| jmorgan | http://www.plainblack.com/wre/installing | 21:25 |
| Jiggie | jmorgan | 21:25 |
| Jiggie | sup | 21:25 |
| Jiggie | 1 question | 21:25 |
| Jiggie | after preload and testwnvironment have run successfully | 21:26 |
| Jiggie | how do i install webgui | 21:26 |
| Jiggie | ther eis no wre | 21:26 |
| Jiggie | and apache just points to the default apache page | 21:26 |
| jmorgan | Jiggie: is this a source install, a wre install? | 21:27 |
| Jiggie | souce | 21:28 |
| Jiggie | 6.2.11 | 21:28 |
| Jiggie | http://www.plainblack.com/etcetera/is-there-a-wre-for-6.2.11 | 21:28 |
| Jiggie | see that | 21:28 |
| Jiggie | so u can catch up fast | 21:29 |
| Jiggie | i know i'm just missing bs stuff | 21:29 |
| Jiggie | after this a webgui for dummies. i'll write | 21:29 |
| jmorgan | are you following this.. http://www.plainblack.com/installing_webgui? | 21:29 |
| Jiggie | nope | 21:29 |
| Jiggie | as 6.2.111 doe snot have spectre | 21:29 |
| Jiggie | using the one that came with it | 21:30 |
| Jiggie | inside the docs folder | 21:30 |
| jmorgan | hmm, I'm not really going to be much help doing an upgrade as i've not walked through the process your describing above. | 21:33 |
| jmorgan | how bad do you need the 6.2.11 site? | 21:34 |
| Jiggie | its our intranet | 21:34 |
| Jiggie | all the info is there | 21:34 |
| Jiggie | i already backed up the database | 21:34 |
| Jiggie | but i cant have the site out | 21:34 |
| Jiggie | company depends on it | 21:34 |
| Jiggie | so help me with the install | 21:35 |
| Jiggie | lets not worry about update | 21:35 |
| Jiggie | i still dont see a site | 21:35 |
| jmorgan | you might try the database dump from 6.2.11 then import into 7.0.3 | 21:35 |
| Jiggie | i'll do thata fter i get this running | 21:35 |
| Jiggie | its a serious of steps to do that | 21:35 |
| Jiggie | plust he upgrade.pl is giving me errors | 21:35 |
| Jiggie | gonna see whay | 21:35 |
| Jiggie | why | 21:35 |
| snapcoun1 | to upgrade you have to go from 6.2.11 -> 6.6.5 -> 6.8.10 -> latest | 21:36 |
| Jiggie | yeah | 21:36 |
| Jiggie | will do that as soon as i get this running | 21:36 |
| Jiggie | anyways | 21:36 |
| Jiggie | preload.pl and test environment.pl | 21:36 |
| Jiggie | run without errors | 21:36 |
| Jiggie | now what? | 21:36 |
| Jiggie | Starting WebGUI 6.2.11 | 21:36 |
| Jiggie | Loading WebGUI.conf | 21:36 |
| Jiggie | WebGUI Started! | 21:36 |
| Jiggie | Works, then downloaded the 6.6.5 and extracted over WebGUI folder | 21:36 |
| Jiggie | ran both perl testEnvironmentest.pl and perl preload.perl | 21:36 |
| Jiggie | Starting WebGUI 6.6.5 | 21:36 |
| Jiggie | Loading WebGUI.conf | 21:36 |
| Jiggie | WebGUI Started! | 21:36 |
| Jiggie | can we start with the WebGUI.conf | 21:38 |
| jmorgan | so webgui started but you can't see the site... sounds like an apache config issue | 21:39 |
| Jiggie | i guess | 21:39 |
| Jiggie | Getting site configs... | 21:39 |
| Jiggie | Processing WebGUI.conf. | 21:39 |
| Jiggie | DBI connect('Intranet1','oracle',...) failed: Access denied for user 'oracle'@'localhost' to database 'Intranet1' at upgrade.pl line 164 | 21:39 |
| Jiggie | Can't call method "prepare" on an undefined value at ../lib/WebGUI/SQL.pm line 446. | 21:39 |
| jmorgan | you might also check any log files for strange things | 21:39 |
| Jiggie | i know i'm a pain in the ass and you guys dont get paid for this | 21:40 |
| Jiggie | but can you walk me tru things | 21:40 |
| Jiggie | to see what am i missing | 21:40 |
| Jiggie | i dont remember addind a site yet | 21:40 |
| Jiggie | as the instructions do not have it | 21:40 |
| jmorgan | i suggest going back through the install document step by step & double check your settings | 21:42 |
| Jiggie | the install does not have much for 6.2.11 | 21:43 |
| Jiggie | thats the problem | 21:43 |
| Jiggie | when it gets updated "webgui" people dont have a page for the old installs | 21:44 |
| Jiggie | i know its some simple shit | 21:45 |
| Jiggie | cant ping point it | 21:45 |
| jmorgan | you working in a test environment right? | 21:50 |
| jmorgan | if yes, then I'd suggest untarring 6.6.5, run the upgrade script, untar 6.8.10, run the upgrade script, etc | 21:51 |
| jmorgan | i'd guess that the upgrade script modifies what's in the database more then what its in /data/WebGUI | 21:51 |
| jmorgan | read through /data/WebGUI/docs/ folder especially the gotchas file | 21:53 |
| Jiggie | yeah | 22:02 |
| Jiggie | doing that now | 22:02 |
| Jiggie | upgrading the database now | 22:08 |
| Jiggie | i was missing something from mysql | 22:08 |
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| ckotil | in a naavigation asset, is there any way to block out the root level ancestors? | 22:25 |
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| +crythias | hello | 22:36 |
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| Jiggie | sup | 22:54 |
| Jiggie | crythias | 22:54 |
| Jiggie | i got the databse to update.....to 6.6 something will be doing the other s now | 22:54 |
| Jiggie | looking good | 22:54 |
| ckotil | wG is the best cms ive ever used. hands down | 23:31 |
| ckotil | beats the pants off of joomla/mambo and plone | 23:32 |
| Jiggie | humm | 23:36 |
| Jiggie | its too hard to install | 23:36 |
| Jiggie | but once is installed its great | 23:36 |
| Jiggie | install and upgrade | 23:36 |
| Jiggie | they can have more people if the instructions were better | 23:37 |
| Jiggie | i'll help them out | 23:37 |
| Jiggie | as i'll be writing a small how to,step by step for the company.. maybe they can use it | 23:37 |
| ckotil | you gotta have youe systems admin install it | 23:37 |
| ckotil | and if you are the systems admin, i hope you have 2 weeks to devote ot it | 23:37 |
| Jiggie | i'm a jr sys admin | 23:37 |
| Jiggie | my sys admin didnt want to deal with it and gave it to me | 23:38 |
| ckotil | im the web developer | 23:38 |
| ckotil | but i installed it ;] | 23:38 |
| Jiggie | me too | 23:38 |
| ckotil | what sucks is when someone else upgrades perl without talking to you first | 23:38 |
| Jiggie | its a bit ruff on the edges...i wish it had better documents | 23:38 |
| Jiggie | we had a really old version adn that person left | 23:38 |
| ckotil | ive found everything ive wanted to know | 23:38 |
| Jiggie | so i have to pick up where he left off | 23:39 |
| ckotil | through the free docs, web gui done right , and the forums | 23:39 |
| ckotil | and in here too. | 23:39 |
| Jiggie | and he had a mess here | 23:39 |
| ckotil | aw.. bummer | 23:39 |
| ckotil | ya no doubt | 23:39 |
| Jiggie | like 5 diff installation folders | 23:39 |
| ckotil | haha | 23:39 |
| Jiggie | thats why iots so hard to follow it for me | 23:39 |
| Jiggie | but working good on it for a bit and will be helping here | 23:39 |
| ckotil | ya | 23:40 |
| ckotil | theres a lot i still dont know | 23:40 |
| jmorgan | i'm cleaning out my computer room today & found a couple of Ultra2. I'm installing debian atm | 23:43 |
| jmorgan | i wonder if webgui runs on them | 23:43 |
| Jiggie | ummm | 23:44 |
| Jiggie | yeah | 23:44 |
| Jiggie | with 3 weeks of cpan modules to install | 23:45 |
| Jiggie | lol | 23:45 |
| jmorgan | i wonder if webgui has been ported to any other arch or OS besides linux... | 23:46 |
| Jiggie | hey | 23:46 |
| Jiggie | stuck here | 23:46 |
| jmorgan | and *bsd | 23:46 |
| Jiggie | cpan> install Data::Structure::Util | 23:46 |
| Jiggie | Running install for module Data::Structure::Util | 23:46 |
| Jiggie | Running make for F/FO/FOTANGO/Data-Structure-Util-0.12.tar.gz | 23:46 |
| Jiggie | Is already unwrapped into directory /root/.cpan/build/Data-Structure-Util-0.12 | 23:46 |
| Jiggie | Has already been processed within this session | 23:46 |
| Jiggie | Running make test | 23:46 |
| Jiggie | Can't test without successful make | 23:46 |
| Jiggie | Running make install | 23:46 |
| Jiggie | make had returned bad status, install seems impossible | 23:46 |
| ckotil | get the source | 23:48 |
| ckotil | and install | 23:48 |
| ckotil | i've a template question. | 23:51 |
| ckotil | if i want to use a single template accrossed a couple branches , and i just want an image at the top to change. what tmpl variable will i be using? i know body.content will include the assets contained within the node | 23:53 |
| Jiggie | dont know much about templates | 23:55 |
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| ckotil | well im off, ill make a forum post about this. cya tomrorow. | 00:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | snapcoun1: wanna talk 'bout yer bug? | 00:22 |
| snapcoun1 | sure | 00:23 |
| +perlDreamer | I think you're right, it's a code problem | 00:23 |
| +perlDreamer | I looked at new, and there are fall through cases for className | 00:23 |
| +perlDreamer | but I think you should also create all your assets inside a versionTag so that they can be cleaned up at the end of the test. | 00:23 |
| snapcoun1 | why does it matter? I thought the tests were considered destructive? | 00:24 |
| snapcoun1 | I'm not against the idea though | 00:25 |
| +perlDreamer | the smoke-tests are destructive | 00:25 |
| +perlDreamer | they get cleaned up every night | 00:25 |
| +perlDreamer | but I'm guessing dev systems don't | 00:25 |
| +perlDreamer | and you don't want the tests to interfere with one another | 00:25 |
| snapcoun1 | well, I think it's better to avoid complicating them | 00:25 |
| snapcoun1 | so the tests are very focused | 00:25 |
| snapcoun1 | but I dunno | 00:26 |
| +perlDreamer | it's also a good way to test the version control api ;) | 00:26 |
| snapcoun1 | I figured version control was in another test set so I left it out | 00:26 |
| snapcoun1 | actually it is | 00:27 |
| snapcoun1 | Asset_version.t | 00:27 |
| snapcoun1 | so, do you think my bug is really a bug eh? | 00:27 |
| snapcoun1 | JT can be weird about bugs like this because the test is using the API incorrectly | 00:28 |
| snapcoun1 | however, it's documented to behave a certain way when it can't figure something out | 00:28 |
| snapcoun1 | and it's not doing that | 00:28 |
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| snapcoun1 | perlDreamer: ping | 00:44 |
| +perlDreamer | cube talk, be back soon | 00:50 |
| +perlDreamer | back | 01:28 |
| +perlDreamer | I think it's really a bug | 01:29 |
| +perlDreamer | It's doing something unpredictably, and you want it to fail early so that it doesn't do something like create "ghost" Assets in the db. | 01:29 |
| snapcoun1 | oooh ghosts | 01:29 |
| snapcoun1 | spooky =) | 01:30 |
| +perlDreamer | I became a big believer in tests being self contained when the User and Group tests starting causing failures in other tests that used the User and Group tables. | 01:30 |
| +perlDreamer | it's like 4 lines of code. | 01:30 |
| +perlDreamer | anyway, I can fix the bug if you prefer | 01:31 |
| +perlDreamer | JT can't fire me | 01:31 |
| snapcoun1 | lol | 01:31 |
| +perlDreamer | well, he can fire me | 01:31 |
| +perlDreamer | but it doesn't impact my budget | 01:32 |
| snapcoun1 | heh | 01:32 |
| +perlDreamer | you made quite a few tests, dude. | 01:32 |
| +perlDreamer | good work! | 01:32 |
| snapcoun1 | yeah... I want to at least have all the constructors tested | 01:32 |
| snapcoun1 | they are kinda important | 01:32 |
| snapcoun1 | =) | 01:32 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 01:32 |
| +perlDreamer | I have all but a handful of the Macros tested | 01:32 |
| snapcoun1 | webgui has *so* much code | 01:33 |
| +perlDreamer | It would be nice if we could check in some metadocs that don't make it to release | 01:33 |
| +perlDreamer | for instance, I have a list of which macros have tests and which don't | 01:33 |
| +perlDreamer | it would be nice to share it. | 01:33 |
| snapcoun1 | just shove a readme in the t directory | 01:33 |
| snapcoun1 | or dev-readme | 01:34 |
| snapcoun1 | dev-test-todo | 01:34 |
| * snapcoun1 shrugs | 01:34 | |
| +perlDreamer | I could try some SVN metadata... | 01:34 |
| +perlDreamer | and attach it to the directory | 01:34 |
| snapcoun1 | how does that work? | 01:34 |
| +perlDreamer | you can attach random metadata to files and directories. | 01:34 |
| +perlDreamer | it get stored in .svn | 01:34 |
| +perlDreamer | and you can query it via the tool | 01:35 |
| +perlDreamer | it how you set ignoreFile, like in CVS | 01:35 |
| snapcoun1 | I see | 01:35 |
| snapcoun1 | you prolly wanna post to dev... b/c I don't think anyone else will realize it's there and/or know how to use it | 01:36 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 01:36 |
| snapcoun1 | but it sounds good... | 01:36 |
| +perlDreamer | think so? | 01:36 |
| +perlDreamer | cool | 01:36 |
| snapcoun1 | only problem I see is keeping it updated | 01:36 |
| +perlDreamer | it has to be done manually | 01:37 |
| snapcoun1 | i.e., getting people to update it when they write test | 01:37 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 01:37 |
| +perlDreamer | probably better to start with READMEs | 01:37 |
| snapcoun1 | but then again... there are like four of us that do | 01:37 |
| +perlDreamer | so far, I have high hopes for my talk | 01:37 |
| snapcoun1 | good | 01:37 |
| snapcoun1 | how long does it take to run the entire test suite now | 01:38 |
| +perlDreamer | don't know | 01:38 |
| +perlDreamer | need to add the --timer switch to testEnvironment.pl to have prove time it for us | 01:38 |
| +perlDreamer | actually, a lot depends on the version of perl you use | 01:39 |
| +perlDreamer | my code scanner tests go 30X if you run it under recent versions of perl | 01:39 |
| +perlDreamer | They use Text::Balanced, which reblesses objects and in perl 5.8.8.5 that operation was made to be very expensive in time. | 01:39 |
| snapcoun1 | is there a test that checks the codebase for i18n->echo calls | 01:40 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 01:40 |
| snapcoun1 | those are kinda bugs I think | 01:40 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 01:40 |
| +perlDreamer | just add it to label.t | 01:41 |
| +perlDreamer | actually, I was thinking of building 1 code scanner that both label.t and one of the Help tests could use. | 01:41 |
| +perlDreamer | I wrote a test to make sure that calls to AdminConsole->setHelp have valid help entries | 01:41 |
| snapcoun1 | that's a good one | 01:42 |
| snapcoun1 | I can't believe how many tests are written | 01:42 |
| snapcoun1 | and how many still need to be written | 01:42 |
| +perlDreamer | most of the 11000 tests are autogenerated from label.t (7000) | 01:42 |
| +perlDreamer | our coverage isn't very good | 01:42 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm hoping to have some Devel::Cover data by the conference. | 01:43 |
| snapcoun1 | hard to say w/o a semi-accurate way to estimate total tests needed | 01:43 |
| snapcoun1 | i.e., we're 10% there, etc | 01:43 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 01:43 |
| +perlDreamer | tiffany is funny | 01:44 |
| +perlDreamer | did you read her post about removing commits? | 01:44 |
| snapcoun1 | missed that one | 01:45 |
| +perlDreamer | it's on the regular boards | 01:45 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.plainblack.com/etcetera/how-can-i-completely-and-utterly-disable-version-tagging#LnH2wHXqMpHZqHld_EZjiQ | 01:46 |
| snapcoun1 | oh I did read that | 01:52 |
| snapcoun1 | sigh | 01:52 |
| +perlDreamer | "happy place" | 01:52 |
| snapcoun1 | heh | 01:53 |
| +perlDreamer | are y'all getting a lot of that, about version control? | 01:53 |
| snapcoun1 | it's like everything | 01:55 |
| snapcoun1 | it's different... some love it, some hate it | 01:55 |
| snapcoun1 | some want it to do more | 01:55 |
| snapcoun1 | people are never happy, but I think that's a good thing | 01:56 |
| snapcoun1 | gives us something to do =) | 01:56 |
| +perlDreamer | are y'all real busy now? | 02:00 |
| snapcoun1 | hey there you are | 02:07 |
| snapcoun1 | I was answering your priv msg | 02:07 |
| +perlDreamer | I didn't get it | 02:08 |
| +perlDreamer | weird | 02:08 |
| +perlDreamer | can you hop in IM for a sec? | 02:09 |
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| Radix-wrk | mornin' :) | 03:16 |
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| Radix-wrk | "I'd still hang out with most of you even if I wasn't paid to do it... cough cough =P" - lol | 05:28 |
| Radix-wrk | Yeah sure snapcount - we believe ya ;) | 05:28 |
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| Jiggie | morning | 16:23 |
| Jiggie | where can i get the wre for version 6.8.10 | 16:24 |
| snapcoun1 | right now it's not available for download | 16:29 |
| snapcoun1 | lemme see if I can get that back on sourceforge | 16:29 |
| snapcoun1 | so you can download it | 16:30 |
| Jiggie | i wont to soundforge and its no longer there | 16:30 |
| xdanger | we'll I think I have it some where... | 16:33 |
| xdanger | snapcoun1: 0.6 ? | 16:33 |
| xdanger | wre-0.6.0-debian-i386.tar.gz | 16:34 |
| snapcoun1 | yep that's it | 16:35 |
| snapcoun1 | I'm trying to get it okay'd b/c it makes the upgrade path easier for people who are currently non-wre 5.x or 6.2.11 | 16:36 |
| xdanger | Jiggie: do you run on debian? | 16:36 |
| xdanger | lol: "Today, tomorrow and the next day are the only days we'll get dates like this: 2/8/6 3/8/6 4/8/6 like the x86 computers :-)" | 16:43 |
| Jiggie | nope | 16:43 |
| Jiggie | redhat ES4 | 16:43 |
| Jiggie | trying to update modperl | 16:44 |
| Jiggie | pain in the ass | 16:45 |
| ckotil | lol xdanger | 16:59 |
| ckotil | jiggle up2date doesnt keep up to date too much | 17:01 |
| Jiggie | i know | 17:03 |
| Jiggie | and i cant run yum on rhes 4 | 17:03 |
| Jiggie | it breaks it | 17:03 |
| Jiggie | installing from source | 17:04 |
| Jiggie | but i had to remove the old modperl | 17:04 |
| Jiggie | would be nice if you guys pointed that out | 17:04 |
| +crythias | I have links to all versions of source, but whatev. | 17:08 |
| Jiggie | is it on ur site | 17:11 |
| Jiggie | Configuring Apache/2.2.30 mod_perl2/2.0.2 Perl/v5.8.8 | 17:11 |
| Jiggie | finally | 17:11 |
| Jiggie | perl: 5.8.8 ok | 17:13 |
| Jiggie | build/version_check.pl failed: no version_string found in '' for 'mod_perl'. | 17:13 |
| Jiggie | Please upgrade mod_perl first. | 17:13 |
| Jiggie | i need to fix that | 17:14 |
| +crythias | uninstall/reinstall mod_perl and all perl-* when upgrading perl | 17:14 |
| Jiggie | i just uninstalled modperl 1.99 | 17:15 |
| Jiggie | and installed the 2 | 17:15 |
| Jiggie | any help | 17:29 |
| +crythias | I didn't realize there was a question... :( | 17:29 |
| ckotil | I feel that the vertical menu can be made better. | 17:30 |
| ckotil | sometimes it looses its indentation when it shouldn't | 17:31 |
| +crythias | what cpan module is trying to build in that is requesting the mod_perl version? | 17:32 |
| Jiggie | Apache2::Request | 17:33 |
| +crythias | duh. | 17:33 |
| +crythias | and for what os? | 17:33 |
| +crythias | duh: like I should have guessed. | 17:34 |
| Jiggie | RHES4 | 17:34 |
| Jiggie | red hat doe snot have mod perl above 2 | 17:34 |
| +crythias | haven't I told you where to get libapreq for that? | 17:34 |
| Jiggie | nope | 17:34 |
| Jiggie | i'm documenting everything on the post i made and following your suggestions | 17:35 |
| +crythias | what fc# is applicable to rhes4? | 17:35 |
| Jiggie | it needs dependencies | 17:36 |
| Jiggie | i updated modperl2 already | 17:36 |
| Jiggie | Removing previously used /root/.cpan/build/libapreq2-2.07 | 17:36 |
| Jiggie | CPAN.pm: Going to build J/JO/JOESUF/libapreq2-2.07.tar.gz | 17:36 |
| Jiggie | perl: 5.8.8 ok | 17:36 |
| Jiggie | build/version_check.pl failed: no version_string found in '' for 'mod_perl'. | 17:36 |
| Jiggie | Please upgrade mod_perl first. | 17:36 |
| +crythias | no | 17:37 |
| +crythias | perl -libapreq2 | 17:37 |
| Jiggie | so i have to download libapreq2 | 17:37 |
| +crythias | http://www.plainblack.com/install/upgrade_help/what-is-the-recommended-solution-here | 17:37 |
| +crythias | http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/extras/5/i386/repodata/repoview/perl-libapreq2-0-2.07-1.1.fc5.html | 17:41 |
| +crythias | probably closer | 17:41 |
| Jiggie | can i have a link to your site | 17:43 |
| +crythias | my site? | 17:43 |
| Jiggie | need to download wre for 6.x | 17:43 |
| +crythias | I don't have wre for 6.x :( | 17:43 |
| +crythias | just source. | 17:43 |
| Jiggie | so, the instructions you gave me on how to upgrade | 17:44 |
| Jiggie | just extract the wenGUI over th eold one and meet dependencies | 17:44 |
| Jiggie | then do the upgrade.pl | 17:44 |
| Jiggie | right | 17:44 |
| +crythias | pretty much. | 17:44 |
| +crythias | change preload.perl if it applies | 17:44 |
| +crythias | backup before overwrite. | 17:45 |
| Jiggie | this libapreqn requires a shit load of dependencies | 17:45 |
| +crythias | 'kay | 17:45 |
| Jiggie | let me fill them | 17:46 |
| Jiggie | :) | 17:46 |
| Jiggie | getting very used to webgui | 17:46 |
| +crythias | http://rpmfind.net//linux/RPM/fedora/extras/5/i386/perl-libapreq2-2.07-2.fc5.i386.html | 17:46 |
| Jiggie | soon will help you guys here | 17:46 |
| Jiggie | thanks | 17:46 |
| +crythias | can't get over how MANY dependencies to get WebGUI running. | 17:46 |
| Jiggie | too many if you ask me | 17:47 |
| +crythias | I concur | 17:47 |
| Jiggie | this drives me crazy | 17:48 |
| Jiggie | Please provide a full path to 'apxs' executable | 17:48 |
| Jiggie | (press Enter if you don't have it installed): /usr/local/apache2/bin/apxs | 17:48 |
| Jiggie | Configuring Apache/2.2.30 mod_perl2/2.0.2 Perl/v5.8.8 | 17:48 |
| Jiggie | Checking if your kit is complete... | 17:48 |
| Jiggie | Looks good | 17:48 |
| Jiggie | if it says its good why oes it fail | 17:48 |
| Jiggie | lol | 17:48 |
| +crythias | 'cause of 2.2 Apache | 17:49 |
| ckotil | yah , just wait till it asks you for the apache src | 17:49 |
| +crythias | :) | 17:49 |
| ckotil | and you're like. uhmmmm...wtf! | 17:49 |
| * crythias is considering hosting on webgui... but not so sure. | 17:50 | |
| +crythias | Probably worth hosting on WebGUI if only my dummy site to get the cheaper support :) | 17:50 |
| Jiggie | we host on webgui | 17:50 |
| Jiggie | but the internal network we host | 17:50 |
| Jiggie | extranet is 7 and intranet is 6.2.11 | 17:50 |
| +crythias | I understand. I've a similar issue. | 17:51 |
| +crythias | actually... I just got some new boxen in.. I should be starting to wipe Winxp to get my intranet box not on crappy hw | 17:51 |
| Jiggie | just upgraded the database to 6.8.4 | 17:51 |
| Jiggie | i have formatted this box so many times | 17:52 |
| ckotil | heh | 17:52 |
| Jiggie | with fedora, redhat, ubuntu | 17:53 |
| Jiggie | perl: 5.8.8 ok | 17:53 |
| Jiggie | mod_perl: 2.000002 ok | 17:53 |
| Jiggie | Apache::Test: 1.27 ok | 17:53 |
| Jiggie | finally | 17:53 |
| Jiggie | it still looks to add mod_perl-1.29.tar.gz | 17:54 |
| Jiggie | let me reply to post with the follow up | 17:54 |
| +crythias | wrong libapreq | 17:57 |
| +crythias | that's the problem. | 17:58 |
| Jiggie | is asking for | 17:58 |
| Jiggie | perl'. | 17:58 |
| +crythias | libapreq is for mod_perl libapreq2 for mod_perl2 | 17:58 |
| Jiggie | Please tell me where I can find your apache src | 17:58 |
| Jiggie | [../apache_x.x/src] | 17:58 |
| +crythias | no need to do this! | 17:58 |
| +crythias | you don't need it if the rpm is installed | 17:58 |
| Jiggie | cpan | 17:59 |
| Jiggie | doing it | 17:59 |
| +crythias | for ... | 17:59 |
| Jiggie | should i point it to where i extracted httpd-2.2.3 | 18:00 |
| Jiggie | cpan installing Apache2::Request | 18:00 |
| +crythias | you're going to have problems with 2.2 go to 2.0 | 18:00 |
| Jiggie | crap | 18:00 |
| +crythias | much happiness will follow | 18:00 |
| Jiggie | so now i have to remove httpd-2.2.3 and install 2.0 | 18:01 |
| +crythias | yeah. 'cause I banged my head for several hours and just allowed my freebsd box to do proper dependencies. all is well now. | 18:01 |
| Jiggie | ok | 18:02 |
| Jiggie | nice | 18:02 |
| Jiggie | also should be on the documentation if is not there | 18:02 |
| +crythias | is. Req's: Apache 2.0 | 18:03 |
| Jiggie | i meant make it a point to tell not to install 2.2 | 18:03 |
| +crythias | http://www.plainblack.com/system_requirements | 18:04 |
| +crythias | it's not so much WG problem as libapreq2 | 18:04 |
| Jiggie | will have problems | 18:04 |
| Jiggie | when i do rpm -e httpd | 18:04 |
| ckotil | where can the flex menu be obtained? | 18:04 |
| Jiggie | it says too many dependecies | 18:04 |
| +crythias | flex? extras, I think, 'cause it's js. | 18:05 |
| +crythias | at the moment, not certain why wg should have filesystem js anymore. | 18:05 |
| +crythias | Jiggie: sorry :( I don't know if it'd be appropriate to force or not. | 18:06 |
| ckotil | hrm it might be gone form 7. it would be in navigation right? | 18:06 |
| +crythias | oh. you mean type of available navigation? oops. yeah. I don't know. didn't check. | 18:07 |
| ckotil | yeah im trying to get vertical nav to work for me | 18:07 |
| ckotil | but i just cant, i need ancestors and siblings and decendents to show but at the root level it shows all its siblings which are pages i want to hide | 18:08 |
| +crythias | example? | 18:08 |
| Jiggie | crythias | 18:16 |
| Jiggie | can you check here and help me find the httpd souce | 18:16 |
| Jiggie | http://archive.apache.org/dist/httpd/ | 18:16 |
| Jiggie | not for windows | 18:17 |
| +crythias | yeahbut you could get the src rpm | 18:17 |
| Jiggie | got it | 18:17 |
| Jiggie | found it inside another folder | 18:17 |
| Jiggie | src.rpm | 18:18 |
| +crythias | :) | 18:18 |
| +crythias | happy. joy. | 18:18 |
| Jiggie | yeah | 18:18 |
| Jiggie | The file "/tmp/httpd-2.2.3-1.src.rpm" is a source RPM which cannot be installed with system-config-packages. | 18:18 |
| Jiggie | so now what | 18:18 |
| +crythias | rpm -Uvh httpd-2.2.3... | 18:19 |
| Jiggie | can i extract it from the rpm? | 18:20 |
| Jiggie | just a question | 18:20 |
| +crythias | not exactly, but the command I gave you would be the point, I think? | 18:21 |
| Jiggie | root@intranet13 Desktop]# rpm -Uvh httpd-2.2.3-1.src.rpm | 18:22 |
| Jiggie | warning: httpd-2.2.3-1.src.rpm: V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 751d7f27 | 18:22 |
| Jiggie | 1:httpd warning: user minfrin does not exist - using root | 18:22 |
| Jiggie | warning: group fma does not exist - using root | 18:22 |
| Jiggie | ########################################### [100%] | 18:22 |
| Jiggie | warning: user minfrin does not exist - using root | 18:22 |
| Jiggie | warning: group fma does not exist - using root | 18:22 |
| Jiggie | well i jsut pressed q to quit for the search of the source | 18:22 |
| Jiggie | it seems to be working anyways | 18:23 |
| Jiggie | so httpd and apache are the same | 18:23 |
| Jiggie | why different names | 18:23 |
| +crythias | apache has many products, httpd being the web server daemon. | 18:23 |
| Jiggie | webgui guys should have a bundle for webgui upgrades | 18:26 |
| Jiggie | tired of dependencies | 18:26 |
| Jiggie | will hate perl when this is done | 18:26 |
| +crythias | agree. and what's worse is all dependencies need to be reloaded when perl is upgraded. | 18:27 |
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| Jiggie | yeah | 18:28 |
| Jiggie | this is where i'm stuck | 18:28 |
| Jiggie | # | 18:28 |
| Jiggie | ncludes the four header files required for building libapreq (Apache::Request) | 18:28 |
| Jiggie | # | 18:28 |
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| Jiggie | almost giving up on webgui | 18:41 |
| Jiggie | and dependencies | 18:41 |
| Jiggie | brb gonna reboot | 18:43 |
| Jiggie | to catcha break | 18:43 |
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| Jiggie | back | 19:50 |
| Jiggie | with new errors | 19:50 |
| Jiggie | The perl module Apache2::Request is not installed, do you want to install it now? {y|n} [y] | 19:50 |
| Jiggie | Attempting to install Apache2::Request... | 19:50 |
| Jiggie | CPAN: File::HomeDir loaded ok | 19:50 |
| Jiggie | CPAN: Storable loaded ok | 19:50 |
| Jiggie | Going to read /root/.cpan/Metadata | 19:50 |
| Jiggie | Database was generated on Wed, 02 Aug 2006 21:31:47 GMT | 19:50 |
| Jiggie | Apache2::Request is up to date (2.07). | 19:51 |
| Jiggie | Checking for module Apache2::Request: Install of Apache2::Request failed! | 19:51 |
| Jiggie | cpan> install Apache2::Request | 19:51 |
| Jiggie | CPAN: Storable loaded ok | 19:51 |
| Jiggie | Going to read /root/.cpan/Metadata | 19:51 |
| Jiggie | Database was generated on Wed, 02 Aug 2006 21:31:47 GMT | 19:51 |
| Jiggie | Apache2::Request is up to date (2.07). | 19:51 |
| Jiggie | so is it installed or not | 19:51 |
| ckotil | i had to install it manually | 19:55 |
| jmorgan | same here. I was missing some dependancies for Apache2::Request | 19:56 |
| Jiggie | so give me some help here | 19:58 |
| Jiggie | what did you guys do | 19:58 |
| Jiggie | how can i use o conf [opt] set and query options | 19:58 |
| Jiggie | so any help | 20:13 |
| ckotil | i dunno how to help | 20:30 |
| Jiggie | hahaha | 20:46 |
| Jiggie | WebGUI if you get it to run = never | 20:58 |
| Jiggie | hey anyone | 22:04 |
| Jiggie | cpan> install Apache2::Request | 22:04 |
| Jiggie | Apache2::Request is up to date (2.07). | 22:04 |
| Jiggie | why isnt webgui not picking it up | 22:04 |
| ckotil | it senses the use of a double negative | 22:36 |
| Jiggie | yep | 23:20 |
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| Radix-wrk | oooh.. plainblack website looks totally different today | 04:40 |
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| Jiggie | not that great | 16:18 |
| ckotil | the new site design is pretty slick | 18:35 |
| jmorgan | yeah, I like it too | 19:08 |
| ckotil | ugh. elitedesigns needs to get with the program | 22:21 |
| ckotil | there design are horrid | 22:21 |
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| ckotil | admin wants no part of the wre. only as a last resort | 19:57 |
| ckotil | things arent looking too good tho. | 19:58 |
| ckotil | jt had me insert some debug code into preloaad.perl and preload.perl isnt even getting loaded bc of a complilation error before it | 19:58 |
| ckotil | any idea why when admin mode gets turned on images break? | 20:39 |
| xdanger | priviles? | 20:54 |
| ckotil | nah. it seems to break everyone of my images | 21:03 |
| ckotil | usually they're cached and are ok. but if i refresh, they break | 21:03 |
| ckotil | i use the ^/; macro to link to them | 21:04 |
| xdanger | haven't played much with v7, but I'm sure that I find something broken in there when I'm upgrading =) | 21:09 |
| ckotil | cross your fingers. | 21:10 |
| ckotil | pray. or both | 21:10 |
| xdanger | nah, I have custom assets, so that usually brakes it | 21:10 |
| ckotil | ah | 21:10 |
| xdanger | I'm hoping that v7 is clear of (for-me-)showstopper bugs.. | 21:11 |
| xdanger | we'll not showstoppers, but anoyances.. | 21:11 |
| ckotil | will you setup another instance of your site to upgrade first? | 21:12 |
| xdanger | of course | 21:12 |
| ckotil | ya. | 21:12 |
| xdanger | I have a testing server at the office... | 21:12 |
| ckotil | i plan on setting up a wG instance at home for personal use | 21:12 |
| xdanger | but at the moment it's in desktop use because one of the desktop machines got sold under us =P | 21:13 |
| ckotil | its a one stop shop | 21:13 |
| xdanger | (It was loand from a friend of mine) | 21:13 |
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| ckotil | last night i tried to build the wre on fbsd 6. it failed running the build.sh script. so i tried building seperately. and it failed at mysql saying i didnt have openssl. so i built it from ports tree and it sitll failed. | 18:29 |
| ckotil | im 0/2 this week | 18:29 |
| jmorgan | yeah, I had a hard time getting to build on netbsd. had trouble with dependancies | 18:46 |
| ckotil | i didnt try from source, bc i didnt want to install perl from source. | 18:54 |
| ckotil | and the ports are a little behind | 18:54 |
| jmorgan | what error did you get when building wre on fbsd6? | 19:02 |
| ckotil | missing openssl | 19:03 |
| ckotil | well thats when i was building like.... sh build.sh --apache --mysql -- etc.... | 19:03 |
| ckotil | when i ran sh build.sh it would error out at compiling lftp . which i though was WIERD | 19:04 |
| jmorgan | yeah, your missing some dependancies (in fbsd6) that it needs. i'll go look to see if I still ahve my notes somewhere | 19:05 |
| ckotil | thanks. | 19:05 |
| jmorgan | as i had to install lots of extra stuff | 19:05 |
| jmorgan | sorry, can't find my notes. i must have tossed them | 19:19 |
| jmorgan | but what you can do is scroll up to look for the Makefile output. I'd like for "no" & try installing what's missing | 19:20 |
| jmorgan | also, i hear crythias is a bsd'er & might have a wre already built | 19:22 |
| ckotil | ok | 19:22 |
| ckotil | yah i didnt look to close to see what failed when i ran sh build.sh | 19:23 |
| jmorgan | here is an example | 19:23 |
| jmorgan | checking dependency style of gcc... gcc3 | 19:23 |
| jmorgan | checking for g++... no | 19:23 |
| jmorgan | checking for c++... no | 19:23 |
| jmorgan | checking for gpp... gpp | 19:23 |
| jmorgan | checking whether we are using the GNU C++ compiler... no | 19:23 |
| ckotil | yup. then install those | 19:24 |
| ckotil | i gotcha | 19:24 |
| jmorgan | i always rm -rf /data/wre when I rerun build.sh too | 19:24 |
| ckotil | cool. yeah i did that a couple times last night | 19:25 |
| ckotil | i set it up at /usr/data and then made a symbolic link from /data to that | 19:26 |
| ckotil | bc i didnt have enough space otehr wise :/ | 19:26 |
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| ckotil | heh | 21:47 |
| ckotil | my idiot admin...says to me 'apparently webdoc has mod perl 1.99' | 21:48 |
| ckotil | DOH! | 21:48 |
| ckotil | so we should be good as soon as he upgrades it | 21:48 |
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| +crythias | hi | 03:18 |
| +crythias | ahh... yeah. | 03:18 |
| +crythias | it's time. | 03:18 |
| * crythias does that funky dance. Awe yeah... | 03:18 | |
| +crythias | doin a little this this... | 03:19 |
| +crythias | doin a lil tha that | 03:19 |
| +crythias | vacuums are teh suck | 03:19 |
| +crythias | I can't believe it's not acrid | 03:20 |
| * crythias sniffs the air.... Do you smell that? | 03:21 | |
| +crythias | it smells.... like victory. | 03:22 |
| +crythias | dooby do wha wow sheebidebeebop. | 03:22 |
| +crythias | I felt bad because I had no shoes, then I met a man who had no feet. So I stole his shoes. Now I've walked a mile in his shoes. | 03:24 |
| +crythias | stub orthotics chafe. | 03:24 |
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| snapcoun1 | sheesh | 06:03 |
| snapcoun1 | someone's feeling all randy dandy today =) | 06:03 |
| snapcoun1 | are you coming to the WUC crythias? | 06:03 |
| snapcoun1 | I was hoping we'd get to meet in person | 06:03 |
| +crythias | no | 06:03 |
| +crythias | yeah... | 06:03 |
| snapcoun1 | sucketh | 06:06 |
| snapcoun1 | did you wind up moving? | 06:06 |
| +crythias | not as of yet | 06:07 |
| +crythias | might be browsing at the time o' wuc | 06:08 |
| snapcoun1 | well it sucks you're not coming | 06:08 |
| snapcoun1 | where are you looking to move? | 06:08 |
| +crythias | I can't believe I figured our libapreq2! | 06:08 |
| +crythias | Houston. | 06:08 |
| +crythias | our: out | 06:08 |
| snapcoun1 | on freebsd? | 06:08 |
| +crythias | no. on SuSE | 06:08 |
| snapcoun1 | cool | 06:08 |
| snapcoun1 | suse 10? | 06:08 |
| +crythias | yeah | 06:09 |
| snapcoun1 | or opensuse or whatever it's called now | 06:09 |
| snapcoun1 | crapola... 13 mins of battery left... must find power =) | 06:09 |
| +crythias | heh | 06:09 |
| +crythias | installed SuSE 10.1 for the first time on a new server, then tackled WebGUI... about 4 hours to do it from SOURCE, not WRE. | 06:10 |
| snapcoun1 | ahh | 06:10 |
| +crythias | now can do it much faster. | 06:10 |
| snapcoun1 | that's better... AC mmm | 06:10 |
| snapcoun1 | you like intellectual challenges | 06:10 |
| +crythias | yeah. | 06:10 |
| +crythias | but now I *am* the man. | 06:11 |
| +crythias | because what I solved for SuSE is possibly applicable to other OS's. | 06:11 |
| +crythias | :) | 06:16 |
| snapcoun1 | that is pretty cool | 07:00 |
| Radix_ | yo | 07:00 |
| Radix_ | Anyone know how to make forms remember content if you use the back button in IE with WebGUI? Is there any way you can get WebGUI to not clear it or something? | 07:04 |
| Radix_ | used to work fine.. but with this new version of webgui it's somehow started clearing forms when you use the back button now.. and driving me crazy. | 07:06 |
| snapcoun1 | hmm... I'm not sure what WebGUI could be doing to cause that | 07:37 |
| snapcoun1 | I would think you saw them before because you were viewing a version of the page from your browsers history | 07:38 |
| snapcoun1 | maybe now that cache is handled correctly, IE is not caching the page anymore in the browser history | 07:38 |
| snapcoun1 | so when you click back, the page is reloading | 07:39 |
| snapcoun1 | this is all just a wild guess mind you, I have done no testing or have anything to back this up =) | 07:39 |
| * snapcoun1 throws it out there =) | 07:40 | |
| snapcoun1 | time for bed | 07:40 |
| snapcoun1 | need sleep | 07:40 |
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| +crythias | it's not so hard. | 03:27 |
| Radix-wrk | what? | 03:33 |
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| maxscience | hey | 14:33 |
| maxscience | I need help :( | 14:41 |
| Radix | don't we all! | 15:11 |
| maxscience | I can't see Assets | 15:11 |
| Radix | oh? | 15:11 |
| Radix | what do you mean? | 15:12 |
| maxscience | I mean the Assets tree | 15:12 |
| maxscience | Assets button in admin console | 15:12 |
| Radix | you logged in as administrator? | 15:13 |
| maxscience | of course | 15:13 |
| Radix | can you add ?func=manageAssets to your url? | 15:13 |
| maxscience | I do see the Assets button.. The problem is that the list is empty | 15:13 |
| maxscience | No assets whatsover... | 15:14 |
| Radix | do you see root? | 15:14 |
| maxscience | just the link but not the assets | 15:14 |
| maxscience | empty list... | 15:14 |
| Radix | so if you click on root? | 15:14 |
| maxscience | empty list! | 15:14 |
| Radix | eeks | 15:14 |
| Radix | so does your site work at all? | 15:15 |
| maxscience | it works perfect | 15:15 |
| Radix | check trash and clipboard then | 15:15 |
| maxscience | they're empty as they should be | 15:15 |
| Radix | check your user account then.. are you sure you still belong to the admins group? | 15:16 |
| maxscience | yes | 15:16 |
| Radix | wierd! | 15:16 |
| Radix | got backup? :) | 15:16 |
| maxscience | yep but it's a dev site actually | 15:16 |
| maxscience | almost empty | 15:16 |
| Radix | hmm.. so not a live site - that's good at least | 15:17 |
| Radix | dunno I'm afraid.. never heard of anything like that happening | 15:17 |
| Radix | check the mysql database if you can (phpmyadmin or some mysql util) - see if you can see asset's listed there | 15:17 |
| Radix | and check the webgui logs | 15:18 |
| maxscience | did already.. all seems fine | 15:24 |
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| maxscience | do you know how to write macros? | 18:11 |
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| ckotil | whats the easiest way to get http://snare.grnoc.iu.edu/results.xml into a .rrd ? | 22:31 |
| ckotil | wrong channel | 22:33 |
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| +crythias | hee | 03:25 |
| +crythias | there ain't no sunshine when she's gone... | 03:25 |
| Radix-wrk | it's not warm when she's away | 03:33 |
| Radix-wrk | Hey crythias :) | 03:34 |
| +crythias | hi | 03:34 |
| Radix-wrk | You any good with javascript? | 03:35 |
| +crythias | more or less | 03:35 |
| +crythias | i know how to get what i want ... done | 03:35 |
| Radix-wrk | I've written a form with an <form onsubmit=alert("test");" action=xxx method=post> - but it never gets called | 03:36 |
| +crythias | btw... I'm now on skype, and online presence indicator updated on my sig | 03:36 |
| +crythias | have enough "s? | 03:37 |
| Radix-wrk | alert just being my test code for this example | 03:37 |
| Radix-wrk | yeah.. the " are there properly.. (I just typed that in from memory) | 03:37 |
| +crythias | 'kay... and javascript debug says...? | 03:37 |
| Radix-wrk | guess I should check hey.. | 03:38 |
| Radix-wrk | Well that explains it | 03:40 |
| Radix-wrk | it works now - stupid thing must have been cached yesterday while I was making all my changes | 03:40 |
| +crythias | hee | 03:41 |
| Radix-wrk | spent hours trying to debug it | 03:41 |
| Radix-wrk | hate that :) | 03:41 |
| +crythias | heh | 03:47 |
| Radix-wrk | you going to the WUC crythias? | 03:57 |
| +crythias | sorry. | 04:06 |
| +crythias | nope. I wish | 04:07 |
| Radix-wrk | Ahh.. shame | 04:21 |
| Radix-wrk | I'm looking forward to it.. though I'm kinda wishing I wasn't going to the US on Sept 11 now. | 04:24 |
| Radix-wrk | security is going to be a nightmare I bet | 04:25 |
| +crythias | I wanted to go sooo bad, but I may be house hunting | 04:29 |
| Radix-wrk | Ahh.. not fun.. lease up on your current one? | 04:29 |
| +crythias | considering change of state, zip code. | 04:30 |
| Radix-wrk | Oh? how come? | 04:30 |
| +crythias | Need a yard for little one, and $100K cheaper in TX than FL where I currently live. | 04:30 |
| Radix-wrk | Ahh.. more room to live in, I can understand that :) | 04:31 |
| +crythias | Yeah. I live in a 3/2 Condo and can sell out and buy property with no mortgage... if I move. | 04:31 |
| Radix-wrk | here we change suburbs easily.. but not states - too far apart :) | 04:32 |
| Radix-wrk | it's over 1000km to the next state ;) | 04:32 |
| Radix-wrk | the property market is pretty crazy like that though | 04:33 |
| +crythias | This trip would be 1800km | 04:36 |
| Radix-wrk | big move then! | 04:36 |
| +crythias | Yeah :) | 04:36 |
| Radix-wrk | leaving family/friends behind too I guess? | 04:36 |
| Radix-wrk | changing job as well? or lucky enough to be able to work remotely? | 04:37 |
| +crythias | Changing job, but might want to stay remotely connected. Besides, I have code investment that they'll need support. | 04:37 |
| Radix-wrk | code investment.. heh.. nice term :) | 04:38 |
| +crythias | family... that's the crux. But the thing is, family wants to move, but if they follow me, all good for them $$$ wise, too. | 04:38 |
| +crythias | but they aren't keen on moving where I/we want to move. | 04:38 |
| Radix-wrk | :( | 04:38 |
| Radix-wrk | makes it hard I guess | 04:39 |
| +crythias | yeah. | 04:39 |
| +crythias | but the reward of yard + larger house + no mortgage is tempting | 04:41 |
| Radix-wrk | Well.. with the extra money I guess you can at least visit more often if family don't move :) | 04:44 |
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| maxscience | hi | 11:21 |
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| maxscience | someones' there? | 11:29 |
| Radix__ | I am briefly | 12:34 |
| Radix__ | I'm prettymuch the only one around this time of the day :) | 12:34 |
| xdanger | we'll I'm too, but usually busy | 12:53 |
| Radix__ | oh hey xdanger :) | 12:54 |
| Radix__ | where are you located? | 12:54 |
| maxscience | hey | 13:09 |
| maxscience | http://www.plainblack.com/etcetera/variable-user-function-style | 13:10 |
| Radix__ | if you wanted to you could always use templates to determine what style you showed. Personally.. while different sections of our site have different themes, we use a generic theme for the user style | 13:15 |
| Radix__ | templates and a bit of javascript can make things very flexible though | 13:16 |
| xdanger | Radix__: finland | 13:19 |
| Radix__ | Ahh.. that explains why you're here :) | 13:20 |
| maxscience | but why damn I can't change the user function style depending which theme do I use?? | 13:21 |
| maxscience | :(( | 13:21 |
| maxscience | this is more urgent... Could you help me with that? :( http://www.plainblack.com/web_design_templates_and_themes/variable-header | 13:22 |
| Radix__ | I use the include macro myself to include common sections of code into each style | 13:23 |
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| maxscience | the include macro? | 13:24 |
| maxscience | hello crythias | 13:24 |
| Radix__ | ^Include("/extras/FDS/fdsheader.html"); | 13:24 |
| +crythias | good morning | 13:24 |
| xdanger | you could use AssetProxy macro for snippet | 13:24 |
| +crythias | yeah. I like that better. | 13:25 |
| Radix__ | yup.. that's prolly a better way | 13:25 |
| +crythias | 'cause Snippets are easier to maintain. | 13:25 |
| maxscience | I use version 7 | 13:25 |
| Radix__ | I wrote this ages ago before I learnt about snippets :) | 13:25 |
| maxscience | but the problem is that the image I want to be variable, depending on the website section, is in the style template! :( | 13:25 |
| maxscience | at the top | 13:26 |
| +crythias | what is the determination of "section"? | 13:26 |
| Radix__ | so use a template variable or some javascript to determine the css | 13:26 |
| maxscience | I can't use some if statements in this style template? | 13:26 |
| +crythias | what is the criteria? | 13:27 |
| maxscience | Like mydomain.com/info is a section with its own header image, mydomain.com/contact is another one, etc. | 13:27 |
| xdanger | maxscience: some time ago I did this with a custom macro, and another time with navigation ;) | 13:27 |
| Radix__ | I have javascript on my page which I use to switch between several different stylesheets for different page sizes | 13:27 |
| +crythias | shouldn't need js | 13:27 |
| Radix__ | could use the same thing to change between different themed sites too | 13:28 |
| +crythias | especially if you can't rely on your users running js | 13:28 |
| maxscience | xdanger: I could use that macro inside the style template? | 13:29 |
| +crythias | thinking ... | 13:29 |
| +crythias | oh. | 13:30 |
| maxscience | :( | 13:31 |
| +crythias | The thing is, even if it could be done for each /section, you have to propogate that through the subpages | 13:32 |
| maxscience | indeed | 13:32 |
| +crythias | by the time you figure this out, you could apply a Page Layout and forget about it. | 13:32 |
| xdanger | The macro was basicly a little navigation, it ficured out the page next to the page next root =) and made a template that had <tmpl_if nextToRoot.menutitle1>.. | 13:33 |
| +crythias | In *my* opinion, this is exactly what Page Layout is all about. Style is for global look-and-feel. Page Layout is for any per-page changes. | 13:33 |
| maxscience | but I really can't use page layout here because I'm forced by the actual design | 13:33 |
| +crythias | how so? | 13:33 |
| +crythias | you are putting content in Page Layout? | 13:34 |
| Radix__ | jsut override the css in your page layout | 13:34 |
| +crythias | or you are using Articles as pages? | 13:34 |
| maxscience | yeah crythias this is in theory.. But practically this doesn't apply universally.. It depends on the design | 13:34 |
| maxscience | I can show you the website I'm migrating to webgui | 13:35 |
| maxscience | http://lameladinewton.it/libri/ | 13:35 |
| +crythias | I've seen this. | 13:36 |
| +crythias | with you, I think. | 13:36 |
| maxscience | yeah :) | 13:36 |
| Radix__ | you can override css very easily | 13:36 |
| maxscience | ok you see the top header image? I need that img to be variable depending on the section | 13:36 |
| +crythias | Radix is correct. | 13:36 |
| Radix__ | put the logo in some css, and override it in each page layout | 13:37 |
| Radix__ | I do that with some pages on my site | 13:37 |
| maxscience | the problem is that what is on the right on the left menu you see there it's placed the body.content template variable | 13:37 |
| +crythias | The point for Radix is what criteria shall you use to choose the override | 13:37 |
| maxscience | in the style template | 13:37 |
| Radix__ | crythias, if it's done in the page layout, then surely it's decidable on each page | 13:37 |
| +crythias | hence the problem. | 13:38 |
| Radix__ | Anyhow.. I gotta run | 13:38 |
| +crythias | l8r | 13:38 |
| maxscience | again the problem is that, because the style template is done that way, the page layout doesn't affect the header! | 13:38 |
| +crythias | just a sec. trying to read ... | 13:39 |
| +crythias | the problem is that what is on the right on the left menu you see there it's placed the body.content template variable | 13:39 |
| maxscience | on the right OF the left menu | 13:40 |
| maxscience | sorry | 13:40 |
| +crythias | the content in the center is in body.content. | 13:40 |
| maxscience | the page layout affects just the part of the page next to the left menu and under the header | 13:40 |
| maxscience | exactly yes | 13:41 |
| maxscience | and because body.content is placed there, page layout can't affect the header right? | 13:41 |
| +crythias | the same code is exactly placeable BEFORE the tmpl_loop where body.content begins. | 13:41 |
| +crythias | (in page layout template) | 13:41 |
| maxscience | mmmh | 13:42 |
| +crythias | cut-n-paste | 13:42 |
| maxscience | so I could replace the header image you see there with another body.content variable in the style template? | 13:43 |
| +crythias | no. | 13:43 |
| +crythias | body.content calls a Page Layout. | 13:43 |
| maxscience | yes... | 13:44 |
| +crythias | any content you can put in Style Template can be removed and placed in a Page Layout. | 13:44 |
| +crythias | if you basically pare down your Style Template to include <head> ...</head> <body>{admin bar, logon stuff}<tmpl_var body.content></body> | 13:45 |
| maxscience | yes that's what I basically did | 13:46 |
| +crythias | but the header isn't in Style... | 13:46 |
| maxscience | yes it is! | 13:46 |
| +crythias | if you did what I said, the header wouldn't be in style. | 13:46 |
| maxscience | what I said is that I placed the <tmpl_var body.content> tag under the header and on the right of the menu! | 13:46 |
| +crythias | and I say put header and menu inside a Page Layout template. | 13:47 |
| maxscience | ah yes I understand now what you're saying... | 13:47 |
| maxscience | but this way the style template will loose sense.. Mmmh | 13:48 |
| +crythias | style is ... style. Page Layout is ... page layout. | 13:48 |
| maxscience | yeah but that was style will be empty.. All done trough page layout | 13:49 |
| maxscience | but that way | 13:49 |
| +crythias | yes, but you don't have to create a new STYLE... | 13:49 |
| +crythias | you simply have to copy and paste the Page Layout Template, but that is easily chooseable | 13:50 |
| +crythias | copy/paste/edit | 13:50 |
| +crythias | it actually will be nice.. you get to change all of the same page ... pictures at once. | 13:51 |
| maxscience | so I have to: | 13:51 |
| maxscience | -modify the style template I've done | 13:51 |
| maxscience | -create a new Page Layout template | 13:51 |
| +crythias | (copy the default) | 13:52 |
| +crythias | place your style template content code before and after the tmpl_loop | 13:53 |
| +crythias | in page layout | 13:53 |
| maxscience | but this way I have to create a page layout template for each section? I could have done that with the style template... OR I have to edit each page? Either way it'll be a pain if in the future I want to do a restyling | 13:54 |
| maxscience | anyway let me try it | 13:54 |
| +crythias | It's not so bad. | 13:54 |
| +crythias | really. because you can change the applicable Page Layout | 13:55 |
| maxscience | which of the two? | 13:55 |
| maxscience | I don't think I really got it.. But I never seen the page layout template before so let me try probably I'll get it | 13:55 |
| +crythias | Page Layout (IMHO) is much easier to deal with than page or style. Style, because it's so global, and page. | 13:55 |
| +crythias | page is too specific. | 13:55 |
| maxscience | so the Default page template (in this case) is the code that replaces the body.content tag in tthe style template right? | 13:57 |
| +crythias | yeah | 13:57 |
| +crythias | It's like this: Imagine if "Style" put a border around the whole rendered page, and what font it uses. "Page Layout" would determine what Navigation, how many columns, etc. "Article" is content. | 13:59 |
| +crythias | Some people put Navigation in Style... it's preference. | 14:00 |
| maxscience | yeah that's what I did | 14:00 |
| maxscience | but in my case it's not recommended since I want to change the header right? | 14:00 |
| maxscience | but anyway I'd have to create a page layout template for each section? | 14:00 |
| +crythias | sure... but that's trivial. | 14:01 |
| +crythias | really, trivial. because you'd have to have *somewhere* to tell what image to use on this section, anyway. | 14:01 |
| maxscience | well but I could have done that with several style templates as I've said before! | 14:01 |
| +crythias | Style is overkill | 14:02 |
| +crythias | but, yes | 14:02 |
| maxscience | one style template and several page layout templates or one page layout template and several style templates it's the same thing! | 14:02 |
| +crythias | sure. I guess you're right. | 14:03 |
| maxscience | well that *somewhere* is the Display tab! | 14:03 |
| maxscience | lol | 14:03 |
| maxscience | so you're the one that didn't get me not me :D | 14:03 |
| maxscience | get it | 14:04 |
| +crythias | heh. | 14:04 |
| +crythias | Guess so. | 14:04 |
| maxscience | the problem is that I want to have just one template damn! | 14:04 |
| maxscience | where's all this WebGUI power | 14:04 |
| +crythias | I don't know how you'd be able to choose criteria. | 14:05 |
| maxscience | xdanger said he did that | 14:05 |
| maxscience | with a macro | 14:05 |
| maxscience | also frank dillon (plainblack staff) told me to use JS or a macro | 14:06 |
| +crythias | based upon... | 14:06 |
| maxscience | yeah that's what I seek help for | 14:07 |
| +crythias | it's easy to say JS or macro. ... there isn't any way to know what the parameters are and how that matches. | 14:07 |
| +crythias | matches.. to an image. | 14:07 |
| +crythias | so, yeah, I'm blind/idiot. | 14:08 |
| maxscience | I really thought there would have been some tmpl variables to determine in which path you are in the website and then take actions depending on where you are (in this case display the relative image) | 14:09 |
| +crythias | it'd have to be based upon... | 14:09 |
| +crythias | ? | 14:10 |
| maxscience | For example the Navigation asset doesn't do just this? Xdanger said before he used it for a similar thing | 14:10 |
| +crythias | Well, | 14:12 |
| +crythias | the Navigation Asset can be used to grab the section list | 14:12 |
| +crythias | actually, it could be used to grab the section that the current page is in. | 14:13 |
| maxscience | that's what I'm saying | 14:13 |
| +crythias | a separate Navigation. | 14:14 |
| +crythias | ok.. here: if you can get a Navagation to return exactly the Section and nothing else, the section will have a url path from a variable. | 14:15 |
| +crythias | then you can use that path to prepend an image URL | 14:16 |
| maxscience | I have another issue if you have the time.. Related to Navigation and/or Article | 14:16 |
| maxscience | Look again here http://lameladinewton.it/libri/ | 14:16 |
| +crythias | something like <img src="^FileUrl(<tmpl_var pageUrl>/image.jpg)"> | 14:17 |
| +crythias | Which, btw, could be used for generating your navigation on the fly. | 14:17 |
| +crythias | forgot the ; | 14:17 |
| maxscience | but this won't work for subpages... Or at least I'd have to place the same image in each subpage | 14:19 |
| +crythias | yes, it'll work on subpages because you're going to ask the nav to give you exactly what you want: something like Pedigree but only return the section-level that the page is in. | 14:19 |
| +crythias | no siblings, no descendents... | 14:20 |
| maxscience | <tmpl_var pageUrl> returns just the section-level that the page is in? | 14:20 |
| +crythias | I made it up. | 14:20 |
| +crythias | the variable. | 14:20 |
| maxscience | and I could use that in style template?? | 14:21 |
| +crythias | Wherever you'd use ^AssetProxy(Navigation/URL); | 14:21 |
| maxscience | A min gtg eat | 14:21 |
| +crythias | gtg2 | 14:30 |
| +crythias | ttyl | 14:30 |
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| maxscience | xdanger are you there? | 15:03 |
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| maxscience | hi | 15:29 |
| xdanger | maxscience: now I am | 15:29 |
| maxscience | so we and crythias were developing this Navigation idea to solve my problem | 15:30 |
| maxscience | you said you already solved that | 15:30 |
| xdanger | I used ^If(); macro | 15:32 |
| xdanger | style="^If(^AssetProxy(nextToRoot); =~ products, productpic);" | 15:33 |
| maxscience | someone's there? | 15:34 |
| maxscience | ah | 15:34 |
| maxscience | well I created a Navigation asset and applied it a custom template | 15:36 |
| maxscience | this is the Nav template | 15:36 |
| maxscience | <tmpl_loop page_loop> | 15:36 |
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| maxscience | xdanger? :) | 15:38 |
| xdanger | yes? | 15:38 |
| maxscience | please help | 15:38 |
| maxscience | it's a wrong idea what I've done so far? | 15:39 |
| maxscience | with that Navigation template | 15:39 |
| xdanger | your navigation loop should be something like <tmpl_loop page_loop><tmpl_var page.menuTitle></tmpl_loop> | 15:41 |
| xdanger | and the navigation to include only the page thats relevant to the style change | 15:41 |
| maxscience | actually I need to change just one image located in the top header | 15:42 |
| maxscience | This is the custom nav template <tmpl_loop page_loop> <img src="^FileUrl(<tmpl_var page.url>/pageimage.jpg);"></tmpl_loop> | 15:42 |
| xdanger | well that should work | 15:43 |
| maxscience | yes it is working but I get lots of images.. One for each descendant... | 15:43 |
| maxscience | I have Root -> Home -> | 15:46 |
| maxscience | -Section 1 | 15:46 |
| maxscience | -Section 2 | 15:46 |
| maxscience | etc.. | 15:46 |
| maxscience | each sections must have its own top header image | 15:46 |
| maxscience | some sections have descendants and they must have | 15:48 |
| maxscience | the same top header image as the sections they're in | 15:48 |
| xdanger | you should limit the scope of the Navigation asset | 15:49 |
| maxscience | You mean the Relatives to Include checkboxes? I'm trying | 15:50 |
| xdanger | I mean start and end points | 15:52 |
| maxscience | I have just start point here | 15:53 |
| xdanger | Or if you have a different pic for every page you need to only have a check on the "Self" and use "Relative to the current URL" start point type | 15:54 |
| maxscience | no I don't have a pic for every page.. I have a pic for every section.. So section1 has its pic. But also section1/subpage has to be the same pic as section1 | 15:55 |
| maxscience | has to have | 15:55 |
| xdanger | ok, so then you should use Relative to the root as a start ponit | 15:57 |
| xdanger | and the start point something like /a/b | 15:57 |
| xdanger | and end point /a/b | 15:57 |
| xdanger | and include ansestor and self | 15:57 |
| maxscience | for /a/b you mean ../../ (-2)? | 15:58 |
| xdanger | o, I'm sorry, include only "Self" | 16:00 |
| xdanger | when you use the Relative to the root option, and /a/b/ (+2) it now refers to /section1 if your on /section1/subpage | 16:02 |
| maxscience | and what if there is also a /section1/subpage/subpage? | 16:10 |
| xdanger | then also | 16:11 |
| maxscience | but the prob is that I have section1, section2, etc. under Home not under Root | 16:15 |
| xdanger | then you put the staring point /a/b/c/ (+3) | 16:24 |
| maxscience | your macro is a better method? | 16:36 |
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| maxscience | someone's there? | 19:03 |
| +crythias | sorry. been bouncing around @ office. | 19:19 |
| maxscience | oh k | 19:24 |
| +crythias | :) | 19:24 |
| maxscience | I went another way | 19:25 |
| maxscience | similar anyway | 19:25 |
| +crythias | oh? ok. | 19:25 |
| maxscience | here <tmpl_loop page_loop> | 19:26 |
| maxscience | in this folder root/import/img-intestazione there are all the various header images, named after the various sections | 19:26 |
| maxscience | but still can't get a way to retrieve just the section url | 19:27 |
| maxscience | it works for some pages but not for subpages, or the opposite, etc. | 19:28 |
| +crythias | that's 'cause you have to do relative to root, +1, I think | 19:29 |
| maxscience | I did | 19:29 |
| maxscience | right now I have Relative to Root, Start point as +3 and Relatives to Include set as Self | 19:32 |
| +crythias | no self. | 19:32 |
| +crythias | well | 19:32 |
| +crythias | grr | 19:32 |
| maxscience | :( | 19:33 |
| maxscience | can I ask you for another issue I have? | 19:33 |
| +crythias | sure | 19:33 |
| maxscience | ok look again here http://lameladinewton.it/libri | 19:33 |
| maxscience | you see the text block on the left of the puppet? | 19:34 |
| +crythias | kay | 19:34 |
| maxscience | Ok that block is the first paragraph (say first 100 words, whatever) of the last article published in that section | 19:35 |
| maxscience | I looked a bit trough the Article template variables help file yesterday and I found that there is a variable that reports the last 100 words of an article | 19:36 |
| maxscience | and do you see the list of text and image under the puppet? | 19:37 |
| +crythias | yep | 19:37 |
| maxscience | that's the archive of already published articles in that section | 19:38 |
| maxscience | for each article there is a block of text (containing first x words of the article) and the image attached to the article | 19:39 |
| maxscience | it would be possible to automatise that? | 19:39 |
| +crythias | maybe by sqlreport | 19:42 |
| +crythias | not fun, but possible. | 19:42 |
| maxscience | oh.. :( | 19:42 |
| maxscience | and last thing: | 19:42 |
| maxscience | I have a calendar asset with template set to calendar (Large). Now I want to include the same asset in a page but with the (Small) template | 19:44 |
| maxscience | is that possible? | 19:45 |
| +crythias | maybe if there is a way to keep the small as a child of master | 19:45 |
| +crythias | http://www.gwy2.org/fomfiles/cache/75.html | 19:46 |
| maxscience | anyway I really need to solve that header image thing or I can't go on with the website :( | 19:46 |
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| +crythias | hee | 22:55 |
| +crythias | seriously. hee. | 22:55 |
| maxscience | hee? | 22:56 |
| +crythias | yeah | 22:56 |
| +crythias | like. you know how I might say that when I google things that fix what I need, and I find *my* suggestion to someone else? | 22:57 |
| maxscience | ah lol | 22:57 |
| +crythias | get this: Google Apache2::Request SuSE 10.1 | 22:58 |
| maxscience | trying to debug why that AssetProxy just doesn't display on 3 pages whereas it works on all others | 22:58 |
| +crythias | example? | 22:59 |
| maxscience | it just doesn't include anything... If you look at the source, the place where it should be is blank... | 23:01 |
| maxscience | in these 3 pages | 23:01 |
| maxscience | but in all others it works | 23:01 |
| maxscience | and the strange thing is that those bugged 3 pages are in the same level as the working pages and have the same display settings... | 23:02 |
| maxscience | brb | 23:02 |
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| Radix-wrk | Thanks crythias :) | 04:00 |
| +crythias | ? | 04:00 |
| Radix-wrk | heh | 04:00 |
| Radix-wrk | You made some comments on a plainblack support post I did last week | 04:00 |
| Radix-wrk | regarding form caching issues - you mentioned using javascript to save values.. it got me thinking :) | 04:01 |
| +crythias | oh :) heh. | 04:01 |
| Radix-wrk | Spent a few days of it.. learnt javascript in the meantime, and wrote a complete templatated form validation addon for our bformmail forms | 04:02 |
| +crythias | oh wow. | 04:02 |
| Radix-wrk | I ended up using the template itself to generate the necessary javascript - based on whether the field was marked as required or not | 04:02 |
| Radix-wrk | works a treat, very happy with it | 04:03 |
| Radix-wrk | and means I can uncomment all the caching code I commented out before ;) | 04:03 |
| +crythias | heh. that's so cool. 'cause I was thinking that you could just use your checking code to do just that. you can either use js to re-fill the form, or use the checking code to generate the form with the variables pre-filled | 04:04 |
| Radix-wrk | yeah.. I thought about that.. but figured if it was validated directly before the submit then it wouldn't ever need to go to that second page.. so the back button wouldn't be needed.. | 04:05 |
| +crythias | well, there's that as well. | 04:05 |
| Radix-wrk | :) | 04:05 |
| Radix-wrk | and as I said.. taught myself javascript at the same time ;) | 04:05 |
| +crythias | I was just following a thought path that if you were using your checking code as a non-js processor.. | 04:06 |
| +crythias | :) | 04:06 |
| Radix-wrk | only issue really is if the user has javascript turned off.. and if they do that then they can reenter their form data.. I don't care ;) | 04:06 |
| +crythias | yeah. that's what I thought, too | 04:06 |
| +crythias | but, like you said, you don't have to worry about back button. | 04:07 |
| +crythias | cache and all that. | 04:07 |
| Radix-wrk | personally.. I wish everyone would use firefox and just ditch ie :) | 04:08 |
| +crythias | and yeah, if you js pre-check or submit-process-check-fill(if invalid/missing) it's good in so many ways. | 04:08 |
| Radix-wrk | yeah.. just using '<form onsubmit="checkrequiredfields();" action=.... | 04:09 |
| +crythias | but one thing that js processors don't *tend* to do is jump the cursor to the first required/missing field. | 04:09 |
| Radix-wrk | checkrequiredfields is built on the fly using the template itself to build it | 04:09 |
| +crythias | :) :) :) that's smart. | 04:09 |
| Radix-wrk | you can do that just use document.form.field.focus(); | 04:09 |
| Radix-wrk | You can also do some REALLY neat stuff with inline addition of objects | 04:10 |
| +crythias | yes. I'm just saying if you're doing js at all... | 04:10 |
| Radix-wrk | I'm just reporting it all in an alert box so far.. but I could see adding icons/text next to each field wouldn't be that hard | 04:10 |
| Radix-wrk | found example code which does it :) | 04:11 |
| +crythias | Once in a blue moon, I have good ideas. | 04:11 |
| Radix-wrk | You set me off thinking on it all anyway :) | 04:11 |
| +crythias | Generally, they get shot down by JT, but ... | 04:11 |
| +crythias | I'm glad to have helped sparked some thought. | 04:11 |
| Radix-wrk | my boss was pretty annoyed with this ie form wiping issue - so I needed to do something quick. The cache fix was nice in that i could do it straight away.. gave me some time to play with javascript and work out a more permanent solution. | 04:12 |
| +crythias | yeah. | 04:13 |
| +crythias | I feel your pain. | 04:13 |
| Radix-wrk | I was going to post it up in the forums anyway.. share it with anyone else who might want a similar solution - it's pretty easy | 04:13 |
| +crythias | If you don't mind, kindly post it on my faq. | 04:14 |
| +crythias | (also) | 04:14 |
| Radix-wrk | anyone can post on your faq? | 04:14 |
| +crythias | yeah. | 04:14 |
| Radix-wrk | okey | 04:14 |
| +crythias | requires free reg to ward off spammers | 04:14 |
| Radix-wrk | np | 04:14 |
| +crythias | but it's time for me to start working on 7.x FAQ-ness | 04:15 |
| Radix-wrk | http://www.gwy2.org/cgi-bin/fom?auth=ck556f0cfe065510b173e23d27cc3e060d&editCmds=show&file=113 | 04:54 |
| Radix-wrk | http://www.plainblack.com/web_design_templates_and_themes/howto-javascript-form-validation | 04:58 |
| Radix-wrk | Added it to your FAQ under v7.0 - wasn't able to figure out how to format it nicer though - but it's all there | 05:04 |
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| +crythias | hee | 22:18 |
| * crythias is being mischievous on a Friday. | 22:19 | |
| +crythias | hrm | 22:23 |
| +crythias | +====================+ | 22:23 |
| +crythias | || Request For Enhancement ... || | 22:23 |
| +crythias | || Add... || | 22:23 |
| +crythias | || From: User || | 22:23 |
| +crythias | || Subject: Enhancement Request || | 22:23 |
| +crythias | || Please include Viagra, Cialis, & || | 22:23 |
| +crythias | || Extenz to WebGUI! I need more|| | 22:23 |
| +crythias | || enhancments! -- Thanks! || | 22:23 |
| +crythias | +====================+ | 22:23 |
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| Radix__ | hehe crythias | 05:58 |
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| hawkaloogie | if I'm a developer with an existing apache2 / mysql install, would I get the WRE or just the "Source" package? | 12:16 |
| hawkaloogie | http://www.plainblack.com/getwebgui <- it says the "recommended" package is the binaries one, but that one comes with apache2, mod_perl2, imageMagick, etc... something my distro already does (ubuntu) | 12:17 |
| Radix__ | the source package | 12:32 |
| Radix__ | The WRE has apache2/mod_perl2/imagemagik and all the perl packages that are needed, all self-contained. | 12:33 |
| Radix__ | However it is designed and setup really only for webgui | 12:33 |
| Radix__ | the biggest advantage of the wre is that you don't need to get all of the perl packages - and there are a LOT - many not available via ubutu or debian | 12:34 |
| Radix__ | and several of the required perl modules are pretty new too | 12:35 |
| Radix__ | It's not too hard to get them via cpan though | 12:36 |
| Radix__ | I used to use debian myself for hosting webgui, and it worked pretty well | 12:36 |
| Radix__ | I had to use debian testing to get most of the perl modules as apt-get packages, those that werent available via apt-get I got from cpan | 12:37 |
| Radix__ | with the WRE you can avoid all of that.. download the binary install, follow the install instructions and voila, full webgui set up in minutes :) | 12:38 |
| Radix__ | works great if you have a dedicated webgui machine.. but not ideal if you have heaps of other things on the same machine ;) | 12:39 |
| hawkaloogie | i'm going to assume that the website's install docs are more accurate than the ones with the package, because in the package 5) Extract WebGUI to your webroot is unclear | 13:08 |
| hawkaloogie | don't have much time before i have to go to sleep for work in the morning, so i'll probably end up finishing this around midnight | 13:08 |
| Radix__ | where are you located then? | 13:09 |
| hawkaloogie | oshkosh, WI | 13:11 |
| hawkaloogie | it's 5 in the morning | 13:11 |
| Radix__ | Ahh k :) | 13:11 |
| Radix__ | 6pm in the evening here ;) | 13:11 |
| hawkaloogie | so i suppose "work in the afternoon" would've been more accurate | 13:11 |
| Radix__ | perth, western australia | 13:11 |
| hawkaloogie | nice | 13:11 |
| Radix__ | As for extract webgui to webroot.. umm.. you actually don't want to do that - better making a /data and extracting webgui in that | 13:12 |
| hawkaloogie | yeah, that's what i did | 13:13 |
| Radix__ | a lot of the webgui stuff is set up for /data out of the box, so that works best | 13:13 |
| hawkaloogie | the instructions on the site are much better | 13:13 |
| Radix__ | good :) | 13:13 |
| Radix__ | if you do have any probs, I'm happy to help as much as I can | 13:13 |
| Radix__ | just settling down for the evening with a book atm :) | 13:14 |
| hawkaloogie | thanks, i'll be idling here probably 24/7 from here on out | 13:14 |
| Radix__ | cool | 13:14 |
| hawkaloogie | is the efnet #webgui channel still open? or is this the main one? | 13:14 |
| Radix__ | I've never been to any webgui channels on efnet | 13:15 |
| hawkaloogie | nm then | 13:15 |
| Radix__ | I'm pretty sure this is the main one | 13:15 |
| hawkaloogie | not that i'd stoop so low as connecting to efnet anyway | 13:15 |
| Radix__ | I just did then to check.. and there is no efnet channel ;) | 13:16 |
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| hawkaloogie | done and operational, thanks for the help. sleep now. | 14:25 |
| Radix__ | :) | 14:26 |
| Radix__ | nite | 14:26 |
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| maxscience | hi | 15:23 |
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| maxscience | anybody there? | 20:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | I am | 20:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | but now I am afk | 21:02 |
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| maxscience | bah | 21:11 |
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| maxscience | hello | 13:56 |
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| jose | hello | 12:03 |
| jose | please what to look for when spectre does not start after upgrade? | 12:03 |
| jose | got connection refused | 12:07 |
| Radix-wrk | hiya.. are you using the WRE? | 12:09 |
| Radix-wrk | if so, check the webgui logs in /data/wre/var/ and see why it's not starting | 12:11 |
| jose | yes i am using wre | 12:11 |
| jose | i am invoking rc.webgui startspectre multiple times. nothing got written into log tho | 12:14 |
| Radix-wrk | Try starting spectre manually - use 'perl spectre.pl --debug' | 12:15 |
| jose | the last message says something about Log4perl::Logger Could not connect to Spectre because unable to connect to 195.113.96.198:32133: Connection refused | 12:15 |
| Radix-wrk | Ahh.. okey.. is the ip and port address correct? | 12:15 |
| Radix-wrk | make sure your webgui.conf and spectre.conf file match up and are using the same ip and port for spectre | 12:16 |
| jose | the perl command: | 12:16 |
| jose | could not import qw(Component::Client::HTTP) | 12:16 |
| jose | at .../Cron.pm line 22 | 12:16 |
| jose | then another compilation failed error messages follow | 12:17 |
| jose | is that causing my troubles? | 12:17 |
| Radix-wrk | Sounds like you have another copy of perl somewhere | 12:17 |
| Radix-wrk | type | 12:17 |
| Radix-wrk | . /data/wre/sbin/setenvironment | 12:17 |
| Radix-wrk | perl /data/WebGUI/sbin/spectre.pl --debug | 12:18 |
| jose | i reran the perl command | 12:18 |
| jose | and got: cant locate POE/Component/Client/HTTP.pm | 12:18 |
| jose | and more (dunno how to use mouse in terminal so I could copypaste) | 12:19 |
| Radix-wrk | Ahh k... did you install that module when you upgraded? That should've been mentioned in the gotchas | 12:19 |
| jose | i must have missed that | 12:19 |
| jose | so perl -MCPAN -e shell | 12:19 |
| jose | and then install HTTP? | 12:19 |
| jose | or POE::Http? | 12:20 |
| Radix-wrk | force install POE::Component::Client::HTTP | 12:20 |
| jose | what is that force for? | 12:20 |
| jose | frankly i never know when to use it | 12:20 |
| Radix-wrk | it will skip the dependencies and force it to install | 12:20 |
| Radix-wrk | I didn't use force on mine, and went through dependency hell.. but I saw JT suggest it used for this case in the forums somewhere | 12:21 |
| jose | strange that perl needs initial reconfiguration | 12:21 |
| jose | i mean configuration | 12:21 |
| Radix-wrk | the config is in your user account (ie. /root/.cpan) | 12:21 |
| Radix-wrk | Anyway.. I'm going to have to leave you.. hopefully that works for you.. gotta run! :) | 12:22 |
| jose | in progress.. thank you | 12:22 |
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| jose | it did help | 12:24 |
| Radix__ | cool :) | 13:24 |
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| xdanger_ | +å´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´ | 13:45 |
| Radix__ | I agree xdanger! | 13:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | You should clean your keyboard man. | 13:46 |
| xdanger_ | that was my cat | 13:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah sure | 13:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | =? | 13:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | =)* | 13:57 |
| xdanger_ | she likes my ibook: http://low.fi/~xdanger/gallery/kisut5/IMG_2542.JPG | 14:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | bööö, ei mitään järkevää tällä hetkellä... | 14:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | Man | 14:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | Finnish is really incomprehensible =) | 14:15 |
| xdanger_ | =) | 14:15 |
| xdanger_ | that translates to: boo, nothing meaningful at the moment | 14:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | Well, to me, that has more truth to it that you might think =) | 14:16 |
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| maxscience | hi | 18:28 |
| maxscience | I have a template question :) | 18:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | shhot | 18:30 |
| maxscience | thanks :) | 18:30 |
| maxscience | you see this page? http://lameladinewton.it/specialevents/index.shtml | 18:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 18:30 |
| maxscience | ok now talking about the part under the puppet... | 18:30 |
| maxscience | it's a list of articles published in that section | 18:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | the rounded squares? | 18:31 |
| maxscience | Yes the rounded squares should be called from attachment of each article | 18:32 |
| maxscience | in WebGUI I mean | 18:32 |
| +crythias | articles don't have attachments.. | 18:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 18:32 |
| maxscience | Yes they do | 18:32 |
| +crythias | ok. they didn't and I guess they do again. | 18:32 |
| maxscience | and the part to the left of the image should be the first paragraph of the relative article | 18:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 18:33 |
| +crythias | gosh, don't you think products might be useful? | 18:33 |
| +crythias | I'm just thinking out loud. nm. | 18:33 |
| maxscience | is it possible to do this in a Navigation template for example? So I can just publish an article with the attached image and that list is filled automatically? | 18:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | no | 18:33 |
| maxscience | :( | 18:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | Idon't think so | 18:33 |
| +crythias | there is no attachment variable in navigation. | 18:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | the navigation asset is not awhere of the properties of the asset its 'navigating' | 18:34 |
| maxscience | I've already done that but just a list showing the titles of articles published... Using a Navigation template | 18:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | but you copuld use assetproxy macros | 18:34 |
| maxscience | yeah.. :( | 18:35 |
| maxscience | But how could I do that? | 18:35 |
| +crythias | what's wrong with using products? | 18:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | well set up the correct template for the article | 18:35 |
| maxscience | products? Mmmh never played with them | 18:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | and then use ^AssetProxy(<tmpl_var page.url>); | 18:36 |
| +crythias | products are essentially lists of images and content. | 18:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | this will only work if macro's are executed after templates are rendered | 18:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | I dunno if that's the case | 18:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | you should try it | 18:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | and then tell me =) | 18:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | crytiashas a p[oint | 18:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | btw | 18:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | you could also consider a collab system | 18:37 |
| maxscience | crythias: But I want to pull from each article its attachment and its first paragraph.. Do products have a variable for pulling the first paragraph of their description? | 18:37 |
| maxscience | Actually I also want to put in the full article a comment system so people can discuss it... I thought of Page Layout with the Article asset and a Collab system in it | 18:38 |
| +crythias | still sql report can do it.. | 18:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | That could also work... | 18:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | There are many ways | 18:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | you could also use javascript to print just the first paragraph | 18:40 |
| maxscience | but what about the attached image.. I want to be the same of the attachment of each article. So to be fully automated | 18:42 |
| +crythias | right, that'd be part of the select for sql report | 18:42 |
| maxscience | But SQL report is no simple thing... Isn't there a simple way to achieve that? | 18:42 |
| +crythias | you're not asking for something simple. you're asking for something like what you have. | 18:43 |
| +crythias | which, as it comes down to it, is pretty much just as easy to make a front page article at the time of the full article. | 18:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | I wouldtry the Navigation/AssetProxy combo first | 18:44 |
| maxscience | well WebGUI can do harder things than that in simple ways so... | 18:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's the easyest | 18:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | Webgui can do a lot of thing easily | 18:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | but not all | 18:44 |
| maxscience | For me yeas crythias... But imagine a person that didn't even touch the sytem or it's not very confident with computers... | 18:44 |
| +crythias | or use an rss generation... | 18:45 |
| maxscience | mmh ok will try the combo you suggested | 18:46 |
| maxscience | but how really? :D Where should I use ^AssetProxy(<tmpl_var page.url>); | 18:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | within the <tmpl_loop page_loop> | 18:47 |
| maxscience | I saw that the Article templates has the variables I would need... If just WebGUI supported this tmpl variable cross reference between Assets.... | 18:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | try changing the verticalMenu template to do that | 18:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's easy | 18:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | having such x-refs would mean a HUGE performanceimpact on nav | 18:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | and nav is already the slowest part oif webgui | 18:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | (which could probably be made faster btw) | 18:49 |
| maxscience | true but you could enable that option or not.. Depending on if you use it | 18:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | maybe | 18:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | it would be a nice rfe | 18:49 |
| maxscience | indeed :( | 18:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'd recon you submit it to the rfe list | 18:49 |
| maxscience | you're from plainblack? | 18:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | nope | 18:50 |
| maxscience | oh k | 18:50 |
| maxscience | but you could submit some karma to that RFE? :) | 18:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | yes | 18:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | but i won't | 18:51 |
| maxscience | oh thanks lol | 18:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | no offence | 18:51 |
| maxscience | :) | 18:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | but I won't submit karma to some rfe just b/c someone asks me to... | 18:51 |
| maxscience | not because I asked you but because you said it could be useful... anyway | 18:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | but chances are other people also need this | 18:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | and they will submitkarma | 18:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | I said it made a nice rfe | 18:52 |
| maxscience | I'm trying to modify the template | 18:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | that doesn't mean that I need it | 18:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 18:52 |
| maxscience | ok :) | 18:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | I think the performanceimpact is too high | 18:52 |
| maxscience | it depends on how it's implemented | 18:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | only partially | 18:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | there isstill a huge overhead which I think you cannot gfo without | 18:54 |
| maxscience | but the AssetProxy macro doesn't accept only the Asset URL as its argument? | 18:56 |
| maxscience | how can it work if you pass a tmpl variable in it? like you said ^AssetProxy(<tmpl_var page.url>); | 18:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | well it should | 18:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | but as i said | 18:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | if the templated is rendered after the macro is executed | 18:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | it won't work. | 18:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | i don't know the execution order | 18:57 |
| maxscience | anyway that macro would call the whole article... Not just the first paragraph.. Of course this could be avoided if I could pass also a template query to that Macro... | 18:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's true | 18:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | but if you'd use the template | 18:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | to put the menu thingy in one div container | 19:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | and the whole article in another | 19:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | you can select which one you want to see using css | 19:00 |
| +crythias | heh. scrolling div | 19:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | display: none | 19:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | no scrolling div! | 19:00 |
| +crythias | hee :) | 19:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | just hide the part you don't need | 19:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | should work even on ie | 19:01 |
| maxscience | yeah but speaking about performance, this is not recommended ;) | 19:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | well | 19:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | it isthe easiest way to do it now as far as i know | 19:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | maybe there is a better one | 19:02 |
| maxscience | I'm looking at the Article template Help file... See you have description.first.paragraph variable | 19:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | and performance won't be worse than your rfe =) | 19:02 |
| maxscience | and image.thumbnail | 19:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | not much anyway =) | 19:02 |
| maxscience | there is no way I could use those tmpl variables? | 19:02 |
| +crythias | heh | 19:03 |
| +crythias | oh, yeah | 19:03 |
| +crythias | do you promise that you'll only have articles in you page_loop? | 19:03 |
| +crythias | new.template Articles have the special ability to change their template so that you can allow users to see different views of the article. You do this by creating a link with a URL like this (replace 999 with the template Id you wish to use): <a href="<tmpl_var new.template>999">Read more...</a> | 19:03 |
| maxscience | yep that's what I was seein lol | 19:04 |
| maxscience | btw all WebGUI assets should have that ability | 19:04 |
| maxscience | another RFE... damn lol | 19:04 |
| +crythias | no, just articles. | 19:05 |
| +crythias | If I want another view of a sql_report, I'll create it. | 19:05 |
| maxscience | Yeah as of now I know | 19:05 |
| +crythias | but I don't ... | 19:06 |
| maxscience | :D | 19:06 |
| +crythias | MrHairgrease: how to use that? via shortcut? | 19:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | dunno | 19:06 |
| +crythias | it's backwards. | 19:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's the first time I hear of its existence =) | 19:07 |
| +crythias | you'd add an article to your main page... referencing a link to the "full" article... | 19:07 |
| +crythias | which, unless it has an attached forum (via assetproxy)... | 19:08 |
| +crythias | yeah, that's how you'd do it. | 19:08 |
| +crythias | front page add the article with a funky template. | 19:08 |
| +crythias | use the other template to show the article in full. | 19:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 19:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | that should do it | 19:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | andyou don't need Navigations | 19:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | nicethink crythias | 19:10 |
| maxscience | but I want to add a forum to the article... But I could add this in the Page layout where the article is inserted and not via assetproxy... But then I should give a link to the Page layout not to the article asset itself | 19:10 |
| maxscience | actually I thought of it first ;) | 19:10 |
| +crythias | put the forum as an assetProxy to the Article. | 19:10 |
| +crythias | don't overthink this. | 19:10 |
| maxscience | but you said crythias: which, unless it has an attached forum (via assetproxy)... | 19:11 |
| +crythias | well, yeah, but that won't show up in description.first.paragraph. | 19:11 |
| +crythias | or it shouldn't. | 19:11 |
| maxscience | indeed.... Oook let's start this work :) | 19:12 |
| maxscience | I'll tell you how this goes | 19:12 |
| maxscience | thx for the help so far | 19:12 |
| +crythias | yeah. | 19:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | cool | 19:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | good luck | 19:13 |
| maxscience | thx | 19:13 |
| +crythias | essentially the article template will be: | 19:14 |
| +crythias | <tmpl_var description.first.2sentences> {spacing} <tmpl_var image.thumbnail><br> | 19:14 |
| +crythias | <a href="<tmpl_var new.template>vaniLaTeMpLateID">Read more...</a> | 19:14 |
| +crythias | maybe throw the title in there. | 19:14 |
| maxscience | yeah and also the image.thumbnail | 19:15 |
| +crythias | umkay. yeah. | 19:15 |
| +crythias | you'll want to check the vanilla article format for more stuff that you might miss.. like controls. | 19:16 |
| +crythias | and style classes | 19:16 |
| maxscience | don't need those hopefully | 19:17 |
| +crythias | you'll want controls. | 19:17 |
| maxscience | well why if the thing is automated.. I can control the relative article when I see the full view (Read more) | 19:17 |
| +crythias | otherwise, you won't be able to arrange your list | 19:17 |
| +crythias | or edit it. Remember: you're adding new articles ON THE FRONT PAGE, in full. | 19:18 |
| maxscience | damn true I forgot that... How to arrenge the list by date or by published order? | 19:18 |
| maxscience | arrange | 19:18 |
| +crythias | doesn't matter. it's all about the click-n-drag | 19:18 |
| maxscience | mmh k let's see how this shows | 19:18 |
| +crythias | new stuff appears at the bottom, by default (as you click "new article) | 19:19 |
| +crythias | ") | 19:19 |
| maxscience | I need new stuff to appear at top... | 19:19 |
| maxscience | on | 19:19 |
| +crythias | so... drag it. | 19:19 |
| maxscience | mmh ok ok let me create the template and try it :) | 19:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | gotta go | 19:28 |
| maxscience | yahoooo | 19:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | later guys | 19:28 |
| maxscience | it seems to work pretty nice! :D | 19:28 |
| maxscience | later Mr Travolta :) | 19:29 |
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| +crythias | heh | 19:52 |
| maxscience | hey | 20:17 |
| maxscience | what those variables are about? From the article template: | 20:17 |
| maxscience | post.label | 20:17 |
| +crythias | you still there maxscience? | 20:58 |
| +crythias | post.label: The translated label to add a comment to this article | 20:58 |
| +crythias | this is based upon WebGUI's i18n for the WebGUI interface layer, not for general content. | 20:59 |
| +crythias | Basically, it generates "Add a comment", by default in English. | 21:00 |
| +crythias | if there was an italian i18n setup, it would be "Aggiunga un commento" (or similar) but this is not database. this is directory. | 21:01 |
| maxscience | I'm back | 22:32 |
| maxscience | hey so you speak italian :) | 22:33 |
| maxscience | But I didn't ask for the translation I asked on how the thing could be activated :) | 22:33 |
| maxscience | there is no option in the article asset.... | 22:33 |
| maxscience | it can be activated by putting that variable in the template? | 22:43 |
| maxscience | the Article template has <tmpl_if allowDiscussion> | 22:45 |
| maxscience | so there should be an Allow discussion? Yes or No somewhere.... | 22:46 |
| +crythias | I don't speak italian :) I'm just a good babelfish user. | 23:03 |
| maxscience | eheh k | 23:04 |
| +crythias | mmkay. | 23:04 |
| +crythias | must be leftovers | 23:06 |
| maxscience | yeah thought so... lol | 23:06 |
| maxscience | baah | 23:06 |
| +crythias | heh. | 23:11 |
| +crythias | it's like entropy. I do so little and my karma keeps increasing... | 23:12 |
| +crythias | heh | 23:12 |
| maxscience | eheh | 23:12 |
| +crythias | not like others don't get tons of karma... | 23:12 |
| +crythias | But I've literally spent some 4000 karma already | 23:13 |
| +crythias | at least. probably upwards of 6000 | 23:13 |
| maxscience | wow | 23:14 |
| +crythias | and I still have 3300 karma | 23:14 |
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| Radix-wrk | mornin' | 03:18 |
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| Radix-wrk | Woohoo.. now there's three of me! | 10:19 |
| Radix-wrk | Muahaha.. my cloning process is almost complete.. next to take over the world! Muahahahaa. | 10:19 |
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| Radix-wrk | Noooo! It's bladerunner all over again! Aaarrgghh.. back to the drawing board. | 10:23 |
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| maxscience | hi | 21:58 |
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