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| doc_gt7 | Question: On Shop -> Subscription, at the bottom there a field for: Execute on subscription that runs a perl script when purchased. Is there a way to pass the userId, payment amount, or any other details to this script? | 20:32 |
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| @scrottie | if something isn't computational intractable, then there is always a way. | 21:59 |
| @scrottie | that way often involves code modifications, though. | 21:59 |
| @scrottie | computationally | 22:00 |
| @scrottie | and that looks to be the case here. | 22:00 |
| @scrottie | patches welcome. I agree, this should be passing some useful arguments. | 22:00 |
| @scrottie | line 85 of WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Subscription is system($command) if ($self>get('executeOnSubscription') ne ""); | 22:01 |
| @scrottie | that's after macros are expanded. I guess macros could pick out the username and you could depend on shell expansion to do the right thing. | 22:01 |
| @scrottie | that's a security minefield, but you could do that. | 22:02 |
| @scrottie | I'd personally rather see system($command, $user->getId, $self->getId, etc, etc) | 22:02 |
| @scrottie | ^#; in the executeOnSubscription string should do the trick. | 22:08 |
| @scrottie | for userId. payment amount... not so much. but you could probably tease that out of the database. | 22:08 |
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| MarkLeightonFish | Until WebGUI uses referential integrity, WebGUI::Group::delete() (in WebGUI 7.10.24 and yesterday's WebGUI 8) should remove groups in the opposite order than it currently does: | 22:37 |
| MarkLeightonFish | 1) Remove the group from 'groupGroupings', as that delete operation does not depend on any other tables. | 22:37 |
| MarkLeightonFish | 2) Remove the group from 'groupings', as that delete operation only depends on the group having already been removed from 'groupGroupings'. (I think this is only a weak dependency.) | 22:37 |
| MarkLeightonFish | 3) Finally, remove the group from 'groups'. | 22:37 |
| MarkLeightonFish | Currently in both WebGUI 7.10.24 and yesterday's WebGUI 8, this delete() will temporarily leave the group in 'groupGroupings' and 'groupings' after it has been deleted from 'groups' (by the end of the delete(), all 3 delete operations have concluded). This delete() mis-ordering may contribute to the "WebGUI::Group->new called with a non-existant groupId" webgui.log messages. | 22:37 |
| MarkLeightonFish | (^--- a topic suggested for IRC by scrottie....) | 22:38 |
| MarkLeightonFish | BTW, are there plans for WebGUI to eventually use referential integrity, especially since WebGUI 8 uses all InnoDB tables? | 22:38 |
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| @scrottie | ah, Mark, you were here. I just missed you in the /whois list, apparently. | 22:41 |
| @scrottie | no plans for referential integrity for wG8. | 22:42 |
| @scrottie | there's a lot of interest in supporting Postgres. there's another camp that wants DBIx::Class. personally, I subscribe to the "ORMs are Vietnam" philosophy, and wG itself is a sort of ORM. builting an ORM on top of an ORM just adds useless abstraction. | 22:43 |
| @scrottie | then, to top it off, JT has his 'Wing' thing, which is on github. | 22:44 |
| @scrottie | people here have been complaining about the lack of active PlainBlackers on the channel, and lack of discussion. this has traditionally been where this sort of architecture gets discussed. | 22:45 |
| haarg | i really like DBIx::Class, but i don't think there's any sane way to integrate it | 22:45 |
| @scrottie | haarg: wG would have to be re-envisioned as a layer over top of it. which is always the problem with frameworks. frameworks dictate the shape of the rest of the application. that generally precludes using two frameworks, or at least precludes doing so without major schism. | 22:46 |
| haarg | it would work pretty well for everything that isn't an asset, but mixing that with the asset system is bound to be problematic. | 22:47 |
| MarkLeightonFish | If I was planning the future of wG, I would probably make referential integrity the (one and only) major feature for a major release. The eventual win is big, but it will require a lot of thought sweat and a lot of testing to get there. (It seems like more than enough is already going into wG 8 as it is.) | 22:49 |
| @scrottie | my own personal plans remove bloat and useless abstraction, and waste. | 22:50 |
| @scrottie | wG8 needs a lot of things. or wG9 does. the shop needs modernized. JT did a ton of work on thegamecrafter.com's shop. that could be integrated. the Collaboration system is out of control. people frequently need to customize assets but there's no good way to do that other than with code changes. there badly needs to be rework so that it's trivially easy to subclass or customize assets. | 22:52 |
| @scrottie | I'd really like to see something like Yahoo! Pipes, of which someone created a freeware clone, done up as a Custom Logic asset of sorts. | 22:53 |
| @scrottie | wG will easily make 200 database queries in a hit. right now, it isn't cost effective for hosting companies to host it. there are a few guys around who do it anyway, but the amount of RAM and CPU you have to throw at a wG site means that you're charging a lot of money. this makes it uncompetative with other CMSes. | 22:54 |
| @scrottie | the guys who hang around here who do host it have said that they'd really like to see the CPU and RAM footprint reduced. | 22:55 |
| haarg | although the Moose stuff in wg8 is a little overboard, it does open it up to using roles, which i think can help with building assets simply | 22:55 |
| haarg | wish i had the time to revisit that | 22:55 |
| sbaur | +1 on reducing CPU and RAM footprints, and I'm not even someone who hosts for others | 22:55 |
| haarg | the database query thing is rather nasty. getting rid of visitor sessions would be a start, and possibly allowing purely cookie based sessions | 22:56 |
| @scrottie | there's frodwith's JS callback stuff too. if extra logic could be hung off of edit and view screens, that could go a long way towards making assets easily extensible. | 22:56 |
| @scrottie | people often need just a few more template variables available. | 22:56 |
| haarg | the problem with a lot of the db queries is that things like macros etc make caching all but impossible | 22:57 |
| @scrottie | there was also some discussion recently of reworking things so that a lot of what's done with Macros instead gets done with the template parser. | 22:57 |
| haarg | yeah, that's something i wanted to do for a long time | 22:57 |
| sbaur | template variables +1 - having all of an assets template variables available in all of it's templates would be a nice start | 22:57 |
| haarg | still doesn't help it be introspectable though, so it doesn't really help caching | 22:58 |
| @scrottie | haarg: here's my vision: Coro-ify it. Coro can make for screaming servers. I've had a dozen real time Illumnati games going on my COMET/Coro based webserver on my 75mhz Sparc 10 and it has barely dented the CPU. every time I do something with Coro, it bloody screams. caching then amounts to keeping data in perl variables. no serializing and deserializing -- just straight up shared memory. database write-backs can be lazy. | 22:58 |
| @scrottie | then the only time something goes to the database is when it isn't in RAM or when you're lazily writing an object back. | 22:59 |
| haarg | part of the issue is the multi-site design. in the past you had to re-query everything for each request. | 22:59 |
| haarg | wg8 you actually have a site object, so more data could be moved into there | 22:59 |
| haarg | but that doesn't help for settings as is, due to preforking | 22:59 |
| haarg | something like coro or something else that is async could help, but then problems come if you try to scale across multiple systems | 23:00 |
| @scrottie | yup. | 23:00 |
| haarg | getting assets out of core, especially the CS, would probably be an easy start on the memory stuff | 23:01 |
| haarg | build things that are purpose built instead of the CS that can do anything, and they would be much faster | 23:01 |
| @scrottie | Mark, not going to tell you not to worry about orphan data, but there are some major fish to fry. | 23:02 |
| @scrottie | Cache::FastMmap seems to keep perl structures (AVs, HVs, SVs, etc) in a block of mmap'd memory. I need to investigate this more. I'd love to abuse it to share datastructures between processes, exactly like how threads can't. | 23:03 |
| @scrottie | obviously, any new structure allocated has to be allocated from that pool to be shared, and has to be referenced from something in that pool. | 23:04 |
| @scrottie | Mark, so, re: group deconstruction, do you need help rolling up a patch? | 23:05 |
| haarg | i wonder how much effort it would be to flatten the moose stuff into just the sugar layer over normal attributes | 23:06 |
| @scrottie | re: template variables, that's another bit of prior art. frodwith (I think it was), and/or preaction, and/or haarg had a patch that used PadWalker to expose essentially everything in the current execution context to the template system. | 23:07 |
| @scrottie | haarg: I was thinking the same thing. | 23:07 |
| @scrottie | haarg: I like having my cake and eating it too. if we kept the same syntax, declared for PR purposes that it uses Moose, but set the default to a light implementation that avoided most of the bloat, we win all of the way around. | 23:07 |
| haarg | i'm not too worried about actually using moose, because it's not particularly bad on memory or speed compared to doing the same thing yourself | 23:08 |
| haarg | but the meta stuff is more tied to moose than is needed, and not particularly easy to understand | 23:09 |
| @scrottie | I hate what it does to stack traces. | 23:09 |
| @scrottie | yeah. | 23:09 |
| haarg | yeah that's not wonderful | 23:09 |
| @scrottie | prototyped functions that generate other functions aren't black magic. I can understand wanting to shuff off that work to Moose for rapid prototyping, but I don't think we need to do that in our case. we can write function generators ourselves. | 23:10 |
| haarg | converting it to something like moo, i'm not sure. there's parts of the code that use triggers etc. could be done with around but would take a bit of thought. | 23:10 |
| @scrottie | yech. | 23:10 |
| @scrottie | I still think my $old_coderef = *package::function; *package::function = sub { whatever; $old_coderef->(@_); whatever; }; is a miserable mechanism for building systems, no matter how you package it. | 23:11 |
| haarg | i think there's a lot of value in having roles or similar, and being moose compatible would be good as well | 23:11 |
| @scrottie | I do it all of the time in unit tests, but when you try to do that build code that people have to understand, you're just dumping loads of action-at-a-distance on them that makes the code hard to understand. program for humans, not for the computer. | 23:12 |
| haarg | i basically look at it as the same as SUPER:: but working with roles as well | 23:13 |
| @scrottie | too much time combing through stuff trying to figure out where/how/when something happens and not finding it with a literal, linear read-through of the code has fostered a festering level of loathing for that crap. | 23:13 |
| @scrottie | SUPER:: lets you read through the code linearally. | 23:13 |
| @scrottie | if mixed-in code needs to be subclassed, insert another layer into the inheritance hierachy. | 23:15 |
| @scrottie | if you've found yourself in a position where you can't specialize behavior in a subclass, then you've already screwed up. | 23:15 |
| @scrottie | otherwise you might as well go around composing logic with Code::Splice. | 23:16 |
| haarg | i don't really mind the code wrapping from around much, but i'd like to get rid of the meta stuff | 23:16 |
| @scrottie | well, in general, there's no good reason that this stuff has to be a maze. anything that makes it easier for someone to approach who isn't used to it and didn't write it would be a big improvement, imo. | 23:18 |
| haarg | and yet again i find myself wanting Hook::AfterRuntime, but working | 23:19 |
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| @scrottie | doc_gt7: http://gist.github.com/2571089 | 23:25 |
| doc_gt7 | Thanks scrottie for the pointers. I will give the ^#; a try. If I can get any relevant information then I could query the rest from the db... | 23:26 |
| @scrottie | doc_gt7: sure thing. let me know if you get stuck on how to pick data out of the database from the userId. | 23:26 |
| MarkLeightonFish | Will there be more/maintenance releases of wG 7.x codebase? If so, I've got an idea for a database fix (mentioned earlier) | 23:34 |
| MarkLeightonFish | How do we handle patches, anyway? Like I said, essentially the same patch needs to go against 7.x and 8.x. | 23:35 |
| @scrottie | Colin does those. there was talk that there wouldn't be, but then there was, and I'm not surprised. | 23:35 |
| @scrottie | 7 is too important. too many people use it. | 23:35 |
| @scrottie | I'd say keep putting fixes in. even if we stop doing releases, people can start pulling the bugfixed-stable bleeding edge from git. | 23:36 |
| @scrottie | I can't imagine that if several important bug fixes go in, there wouldn't be another reason. | 23:36 |
| MarkLeightonFish | Thanks scrottie -- I'll ping Colin on doing the patches. | 23:38 |
| @scrottie | you bet, Mark. | 23:38 |
| @scrottie | I'm sitting on a few bugfixes, too. | 23:39 |
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| ckotil | Is it possible to specify a macro that returns a URL as the starting point of a nav asset? | 19:34 |
| sbaur | sounds interesting, but i have no idea of it's possible. i'm curious as to how the macro will decide what url to return, IOW what problem are you trying to solve? | 19:45 |
| ckotil | trying to avoid having to maintain multiple nav assets. | 19:46 |
| ckotil | http://globalnoc.iu.edu start there, then choose a supported network from the drop down. | 19:47 |
| ckotil | the supported network pages all are the same template and use the same nav asset on the left side of the page. settings are pedigree +2 from root. | 19:47 |
| ckotil | but pedigree just displays too much. I want to get more control over it. | 19:48 |
| sbaur | so the start is +2 from root, can't you then just limit it with the descendant end point? or am I still not understanding the problem | 19:54 |
| ckotil | relative to root +2 and pedigree doesnt allow you to set an endpoint | 19:55 |
| sbaur | oh, we tend to use from a specific url for our navs, and just have more navs, so i'm not as familiar with those settings. | 19:56 |
| sbaur | and, I have a meeting to go to, so maybe someone else will be able to help | 19:56 |
| ckotil | ok. | 19:56 |
| ckotil | the reason I can't use specific URL is because i've got a dozen or so sites. and I want to reuse the assets. | 19:57 |
| sbaur | hmm, might be worth throwing on the support board, since pD doesn't seem to be hanging out here anymore, or waiting 'til daviddelikat comes back | 19:59 |
| * sbaur runs to meeting | 19:59 | |
| ckotil | i want more control bc the pedigree is showing too much, and im getting redundant items in the nav. | 20:00 |
| ckotil | I may have a workable solution. relative to root +2, descendants +1. done. | 20:00 |
| ckotil | But the macro as a starting point would still be cool :) | 20:00 |
| ckotil | I think what I will end up doing is modigy the nav template to only display layouts, and redirects. no articles, files, etc.. | 20:09 |
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| neil__ | Hi. When is WegGUI 8 expected to be released? | 00:35 |
| @scrottie | neil__: version 8.0.1 is in progress. | 00:36 |
| @scrottie | neil__: wG8 has been in the 'master' branch for a while now. if you git clone http://github.com/plainblack/webgui, you get wG8. | 00:39 |
| neil__ | Thank you. Has Apache been replaced with Nginx? | 00:41 |
| @scrottie | not exactly. nginx is a good idea, but as it ships, it just runs plack. | 00:48 |
| @scrottie | it's better to have something sitting in front serving static content rather than making plack/wG do that. there's support for X-Send-Static. | 00:48 |
| @scrottie | http://preaction.github.com/WebGUI/8-apps.html ... API changes | 00:49 |
| @scrottie | make sure you run upgrades as in the instructions. most people see that and think "ha, it's a new install, I don't have to run the upgrades!", but they're mistaken. you have to run upgrades. | 00:52 |
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| doc_gt7 | When using the wre is there any way for a macro to get the real ip address of a visitor? I was trying to log actions done on the site by ip address but $session->env->get('REMOTE_ADDR'); always returns the wre proxy server... This makes it hard to determine would be attackers. :) | 19:37 |
| sbaur | isn't the IP in the session somewhere? | 19:38 |
| sbaur | caveat - I'm not a programmer, but i seem to remember hearing that | 19:38 |
| doc_gt7 | I dunno... That would be great. I am using: $session->env->get('REMOTE_ADDR'); | 19:38 |
| sbaur | talked to my programmer -- userSession table has a lastIp for the session | 19:41 |
| sbaur | hope that will help | 19:41 |
| doc_gt7 | I will test that. Thanks :) | 19:41 |
| doc_gt7 | The field is there with the Ip. Is there an easy way to pull that out of session or do I need to do a db query to get at it? There is a sessionId field. | 19:45 |
| sbaur | I don't know what the best way for a macro to access that might be | 19:46 |
| sbaur | hopefully, scrottie will be by a bit later to offer advice | 19:50 |
| doc_gt7 | Yea, he is always helpful :)_ | 19:50 |
| @scrottie | $session->request->hostname.... $self->session->env->getIp | 19:51 |
| @scrottie | had to dig through the code myself. | 19:51 |
| sbaur | Yay Scrottie! | 19:51 |
| @scrottie | hey sbaur | 19:51 |
| @scrottie | that's what security() in $session->log does. the proxying httpd passes the original IP address through as a different environment variable. | 19:52 |
| @scrottie | HTTP_X_FORWARDED_FOR, it looks like. | 19:53 |
| @scrottie | and getIp() picks it out of there when available. | 19:53 |
| doc_gt7 | Thank you scrottie, that simple line saved me a lot of time :) | 19:53 |
| @scrottie | you're welcome! | 19:53 |
| @scrottie | good to see people hackin' on WebGUI. | 19:54 |
| doc_gt7 | I love it and hate it :) | 19:54 |
| ckotil | heh, ive got a macro that does that too. so i can show myself things i dont want anyone else to see | 19:56 |
| doc_gt7 | Looks like the ->getIp works great for the ipaddress. $session->request->hostname; returns our own website name? | 20:15 |
| doc_gt7 | Its ok, I just wanted to stretch the limits :) | 20:16 |
| ckotil | not sure about that one, but $session->env->get(HTTP_HOST); does return your website hostname | 20:18 |
| @scrottie | er, sorry, yeah, re: $session->request->hostname. got confused. that's exactly how it was used in the bit of code I lifted it from. this site is multi-homed. | 20:22 |
| ckotil | get(HTTP_HOST) shows the hostname for the site the user is currently visiting. I have at least a dozen vhosts, so it's very useful. | 20:26 |
| @scrottie | in wG7, $session->request is an Apache2::Request object, so all of the API methods it defines are in there. it's hard to find a good reference for it though. Apache's documentation is just terrible. | 20:27 |
| @scrottie | or I guess mod_perl's is. | 20:27 |
| @scrottie | if I could have myself cryogenically frozen for a couple of years until mod_perl was gone, I'd probably do it. | 20:27 |
| doc_gt7 | Yea, it sounds like hostname would be the incoming but it is the local hostname passed by mod_perl | 20:28 |
| doc_gt7 | lol | 20:28 |
| ckotil | ah yeah probably. ive got the vhosts defined for every host in both modproxy and modperl | 20:28 |
| ckotil | historically, for ssl purposes. | 20:29 |
| ckotil | BUT i just found named SSL vhosts a few months back. | 20:29 |
| ckotil | could have saved some work using that :) | 20:29 |
| ckotil | and IPs | 20:29 |
| doc_gt7 | I will need to look into that at some point. Did not even know it existed :) | 20:29 |
| ckotil | the apache part is straight forward , the hard part is getting the certificate to use SubjectAlternativeName which holds all your domain aliases | 20:31 |
| ckotil | i dont think i ever found a single openssl command line to do it. i had to modify the openssl config. | 20:32 |
| ckotil | http://pastebin.ca/2143525 this might save you time. then the csr generation and signing is the same. | 20:34 |
| ckotil | in that pastebin is what you put in openssl.cnf | 20:34 |
| doc_gt7 | Thanks, I will hang onto that. The last time I had looked at it you needed a separate ip for each host. :) | 20:47 |
| ckotil | yw | 20:50 |
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| doc_gt7 | I see Webgui has an SMTP setting in Admin>Settings. But can you specify a username / password for this server? :) | 23:19 |
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| @scrottie | doc_gt7, nope, no support for SMTP Auth. I heard a rumor that there's a little known port gmail listens on that does SMTP relay for domains hosted there without SMTP auth. It wouldn't be hard to implement SMTP auth, but it seems like using IMAP would gartner more support. | 10:51 |
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| qwebirc52770 | morning | 16:56 |
| qwebirc52770 | does anyone know where I should be looking for issuses related to the "Invalid Asset URL | 16:56 |
| qwebirc52770 | error being displayed on out pages? | 16:56 |
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| @daviddelikat1 | that usually comes from the ^AssetProxy(): Macro | 17:09 |
| @daviddelikat1 | qwebirc52770: ^^^ | 17:10 |
| qwebirc52770 | sorry had my head in the forums | 17:19 |
| qwebirc52770 | i inherited and i have no idea where anything is | 17:19 |
| qwebirc52770 | so are the assests deleted or moved? | 17:20 |
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| @daviddelikat | qwebirc52770: you will likely have to search out the Macros | 18:05 |
| @daviddelikat | a busted macro anywhere on a page can cause the whole page to fail | 18:06 |
| sbaur | Try editing the page (by adding ?func=edit to its URL) and hiding different assets on the page (in the display tab) It might help you narrow down where the bad macro is | 18:07 |
| qwebirc52770 | oh | 18:12 |
| qwebirc52770 | would this happen on all pages? | 18:12 |
| qwebirc52770 | if the all the pages have that macro | 18:12 |
| sbaur | If it's the macro causing the problem, i would expect so | 18:12 |
| qwebirc52770 | ok | 18:13 |
| sbaur | but I didn't see your original problem message, I was just expanding on what david said a bit | 18:13 |
| qwebirc52770 | thanks. | 18:13 |
| qwebirc52770 | basically we are getting "Invalid Asset URL" errors all of a sudden | 18:13 |
| sbaur | oh, that's often an assetProxy macro throwing that | 18:14 |
| sbaur | check the webgui.log and see if it says anything in there about something that can't be found | 18:14 |
| qwebirc52770 | yeah | 18:15 |
| qwebirc52770 | i saw that somewhere | 18:15 |
| qwebirc52770 | in the log that is | 18:15 |
| qwebirc52770 | let me see if i can find the log again | 18:17 |
| sbaur | what I do is tail -f the log, hit return a few times in the terminal and then reload the page giving problems | 18:17 |
| sbaur | of course that'll only really work on a low traffic site | 18:17 |
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| qwebirc52770 | found entries in the log file for the | 18:22 |
| qwebirc52770 | points to a weird directory with letters and numbers | 18:22 |
| qwebirc52770 | i guess that means that it was uploaded | 18:22 |
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| vanjwilson1 | Trying to create a fresh instance of a WebGUI server to use as a dev server, cloned a virtual server instance, ssh'd in and thought I changed all the modproxy setting, but only the first site (alphabetically) will come up in a browser. I seem to remember reading something about this, but can someone point me in the right direction? | 19:06 |
| vanjwilson1 | testEnvironment.pl passes all sites, but spectre.pl --test fails all sites that start with www. | 19:07 |
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| sbaur | Do the modperl files have ServerName or ServerAlias directives for the new box's domain? | 19:14 |
| sbaur | If you do DNS lookups for the www sites on the dev server? | 19:15 |
| sbaur | Having problems typing thoughts this morning... Do the dev boxes' modperl files have the correct domains in the ServerAlias and/orServerName directives? and do DNS lookups done from the command line on the dev server return the correct IPs for your dev boxes? This is assuming you are using the WRE | 19:17 |
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| sbaur | Other things to check, do the site configs have the correct items in their sitename blcoks and do the config files have the correct IPs in their spectre blocks? | 19:18 |
| @scrottie | are the www.whatever.com names in /etc/hosts for 127.0.0.1? is httpd listening on 127.0.0.1 (or on "*")? | 19:28 |
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| vanjwilson1 | thanks @sbaur and @scrottie, for the suggestions (I had forgotten to change the ServerName directives in the .modperl files for the individual sites to "dev...", I had just changed the .modproxy) | 20:11 |
| vanjwilson1 | The sites are coming up now, but spectre.pl --test still can't connect. | 20:12 |
| sbaur | check the ip in spectre.conf too | 20:19 |
| sbaur | and the port, since you are running modperl on a different port | 20:19 |
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| vanjwilson1 | spectre.conf has "127.0.0.1" as the IP (and /etc/hosts has a line mapping each dev url to 127.0.0.1) | 20:29 |
| @scrottie | telnet localhost 80 | 20:32 |
| @scrottie | GET / HTTP/1.0 | 20:32 |
| @scrottie | Host: www.whatever.com | 20:32 |
| @scrottie | (then enter again on a new line) | 20:32 |
| @scrottie | do you get a page or an error? | 20:32 |
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| vanjwilson1 | @scrottie, with the HTTP commands you asked me to try, I do get the page (no error) | 20:57 |
| @scrottie | in /data/WebGUI/lib/Spectre/Workflow.pm, around line 650, right after the line where it says "$self->error("Response for $instance->{sitename} - $instanceId had a communications error. ".$response->error_as_HTML);", add this stuff: | 21:31 |
| @scrottie | $self->error("response: " . $response->as_string); $self->error("request: " . $request->as_string); | 21:31 |
| @scrottie | that should get some diagnostic output as to why spectre is failing. | 21:31 |
| vanjwilson1 | @scrottie, with your extra debugging code, spectre.pl --test now outputs this second line for each site it tests: | 21:42 |
| vanjwilson1 | ERROR: Couldn't connect to WebGUI site www.zzzzzzzzz.com.conf (where zzzzzzz is the name of the site) | 21:42 |
| @scrottie | okay, so it isn't Apache config, it's DNS config that's the problem. | 21:43 |
| @scrottie | or if it is apache config, it's that apache isn't listening on the IP address the domain name is pointed to. | 21:43 |
| vanjwilson1 | I can now pull up the dev sites in a browser (and I have an IP sniffer plugin in my browser that shows I am talking to the new dev server) | 21:46 |
| @scrottie | but the server can't connect to itself. | 21:46 |
| @scrottie | is httpd configured to listen on 127.0.0.1? | 21:46 |
| @scrottie | wait, you said telnet localhost worked. | 21:46 |
| @scrottie | nsswitch.conf could be making it use something before /etc/hosts. | 21:47 |
| vanjwilson1 | yes, that is correct: telnet localhost worked | 21:47 |
| @scrottie | what does 'host www.whatever.com' (when run on the server) come back with? | 21:47 |
| @scrottie | does it come back with the correct IP? | 21:48 |
| @scrottie | can you telnet to <that IP> 80 and do the GET / thing and get the page? | 21:48 |
| @scrottie | from the server? | 21:48 |
| vanjwilson1 | sorry for the delay, I'll have to install "host" it's not on there for some reason | 21:48 |
| @scrottie | it's amazing how large modern Linux distros are, and how much of the tiny stuff they've cut. things like 'telnet' have been there for ages and take up virtually no room. CentOS started distributing a cut down perl distro with most of the standard library missing, creating massive breakage. perl is not that large! | 21:50 |
| @scrottie | amazing. | 21:50 |
| sbaur | I'm sure it has to do with the if you don't install it you don't have to patch it mantra | 21:51 |
| @scrottie | don't know. if you ship a busted perl that can't install modules, that generates a lot of bug reports. it's flooded the perl bug tracker so I imagine RedHat is hearing about it too. | 21:54 |
| vanjwilson1 | ok, this is interesting: telnet to the actual IP failed to connect, as did telnet to the one of the dev names (but "host", which I just installed, did return what I know to be the correct IP) | 22:00 |
| @scrottie | I wonder what iptables has to say... | 22:00 |
| vanjwilson1 | All of our servers are still on Ubuntu 8.04, which is what I broke when I tried to upgrade our original dev server to 10.4 (btw, does WebGUI play well when upgrading Ubuntu, or are we better off spawning another cloud instance, installing WRE / WebGUI afresh, and migrating the sites?) | 22:01 |
| @scrottie | wre should be self-contained. you should be able to run it on any Linux with a /lib/libc.so.6 | 22:03 |
| vanjwilson1 | iptables -L | 22:03 |
| @scrottie | I think that's the only dynamic link library not included with it. | 22:03 |
| vanjwilson1 | Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT) | 22:03 |
| vanjwilson1 | target prot opt source destination | 22:03 |
| vanjwilson1 | Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT) | 22:03 |
| vanjwilson1 | target prot opt source destination | 22:03 |
| vanjwilson1 | Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT) | 22:03 |
| vanjwilson1 | target prot opt source destination | 22:03 |
| @scrottie | but you can access the site from another machine using chrome/firefox/whatever? so the real IP address works, just not from the local machine? | 22:05 |
| vanjwilson1 | yes, I can browse to all the sites from my local machine | 22:08 |
| @scrottie | "telnet to the actual IP failed to connect"... exactly which error message did you get? Connection refused? No route to host? | 22:13 |
| vanjwilson1 | no error message, it just hung while trying to connect--I had to CTRL-C | 22:14 |
| @scrottie | when it said "Connecting to ....", did it come back with the correct IP address? | 22:15 |
| @scrottie | hung suggests dropped packets (eg, firewall or a bad route) | 22:15 |
| vanjwilson1 | when I used one of the domain names, it came back with: | 22:17 |
| vanjwilson1 | Trying 127.0.0.1... | 22:17 |
| vanjwilson1 | Connected to localhost. | 22:17 |
| vanjwilson1 | Escape character is '^]'. | 22:17 |
| vanjwilson1 | (I guess because we have each domain name mapped to 127.0.0.1 in /etc/hosts) | 22:18 |
| @scrottie | right. depending on nsswitch.conf. | 22:18 |
| @scrottie | but maybe it's not correct to have those in there. I'm better at troubleshooting than remembering how things are supposed to be set up. | 22:18 |
| @scrottie | what does netstat -rn say? | 22:19 |
| vanjwilson1 | ooops, telnet wasn't hung, I was expecting a ">" prompt like ftp or cpan; telnet to the outside IP or to a dev domain is working | 22:21 |
| @scrottie | it should say "Connected to..." then "Escape character is...", and then httpd is waiting for you to make a request | 22:22 |
| vanjwilson1 | netstat -rn | 22:22 |
| vanjwilson1 | Kernel IP routing table | 22:22 |
| vanjwilson1 | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags MSS Window irtt Iface | 22:22 |
| vanjwilson1 | 67.225.232.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.252.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 | 22:22 |
| vanjwilson1 | 0.0.0.0 67.225.232.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 | 22:22 |
| @scrottie | alright. that's fine. hrm. | 22:22 |
| vanjwilson1 | (the actual IP is 67.225.232.175) | 22:22 |
| @scrottie | okay. so with telnet, it can connect to itself, using 127.0.0.1 and its real IP address. but spectre says it cannot connect. hrm. | 22:23 |
| @scrottie | can't think of anything that would cause that. | 22:24 |
| @scrottie | is the port set correctly in spectre's conf file? | 22:25 |
| vanjwilson1 | "port" : 32133, | 22:26 |
| @scrottie | should that maybe be 80? you were able to telnet to localhost 80. | 22:27 |
| @scrottie | wait | 22:27 |
| @scrottie | mine is 32133 also. that's not wG's port number. | 22:28 |
| haarg | that's the port for webgui to connect to spectre | 22:28 |
| haarg | not the other way around | 22:28 |
| @scrottie | "webguiPort" : 80, | 22:28 |
| @scrottie | right. | 22:28 |
| @scrottie | what's your webguiPort? | 22:28 |
| haarg | did you check your log file? and is spectreAllowedIPs (or whatever the correct name is) set correctly? | 22:28 |
| haarg | (sorry if that's already been discussed, coming in late to the conversation) | 22:29 |
| vanjwilson1 | "webguiPort" : 8081, | 22:31 |
| @scrottie | okay, that should probably be 80. | 22:32 |
| haarg | it should be fine to have it connect to mod_perl directly | 22:32 |
| @scrottie | oh. | 22:32 |
| haarg | as long as everything else is set correctly | 22:32 |
| vanjwilson1 | I just compared the spectre.conf file on this new server with the production server it was copied from, and the ports are the same (which makes sense, because it was copied over when we cloned the instance) | 22:32 |
| @scrottie | in that case, sanity check... make sure you can telnet to localhost 8081 and do the GET / HTTP/1.0 trick | 22:32 |
| haarg | sometimes, it isn't and using 80 is easier | 22:32 |
| vanjwilson1 | and spectre.pl --test just ran fine on the production server | 22:33 |
| haarg | check spectreSubnets in your webgui config file | 22:33 |
| haarg | it needs to match whatever spectre is connecting as | 22:33 |
| haarg | that may be 127.0.0.1 or it may be the public ip, depending on how you have your hosts file set | 22:34 |
| vanjwilson1 | telnet to port 8081 works, too | 22:34 |
| vanjwilson1 | "spectreSubnets" : [ | 22:36 |
| vanjwilson1 | "127.0.1.1/32", | 22:36 |
| vanjwilson1 | "127.0.0.1/32" | 22:36 |
| vanjwilson1 | ], | 22:36 |
| haarg | do you have an entry in your hosts file for the domain? | 22:36 |
| haarg | also, i'd check the webgui log file | 22:37 |
| haarg | if it's the spectreSubnets thing, it will have errors in the log telling you what ip is trying to connect | 22:37 |
| vanjwilson1 | Eureka! I had changed the /etc/hosts lines from www. to dev., when I added a www. entry for one of the sites, in <b>addition</b> to the dev, that site passed it's spectre test | 22:42 |
| haarg | sounds like the spectreSubnets thing. the hosts entry changes which interface spectre uses to connect, which changes the incoming ip webgui sees. | 22:43 |
| @scrottie | alright. I wonder what is trying to use the dev.domain.com name. | 22:43 |
| haarg | what is the first entry in sitename? | 22:43 |
| vanjwilson1 | thanks @scrottie, @haarg, for all your help. A developer smarter than me is going to be working on a new Workflow Activity for one of these sites tomorrow, and I think I have it ready for her now. | 22:44 |
| @scrottie | glad you got it going. I need to learn better how spectre is set up. | 22:45 |
| haarg | this stuff is one of the reasons i always hated spectre. the subnet thing bites people constantly. | 22:45 |
| @scrottie | any time there are two settings that must match and be changed together, they'll go out of sync and break stuff. | 22:46 |
| haarg | also, the webguiPort setting badly needs to be in the site conf, not spectre's | 22:46 |
| haarg | spectre also badly needs to be able to run multiple times per site | 22:47 |
| vanjwilson1 | I had left the sitenames the same as they are on the production server, because even though, we don't push the .conf file when we push development changes, we want everything to match in both environments as much as possible | 22:47 |
| haarg | spectre uses the first entry in sitename to connect to webgui, as well as the port in its own config | 22:50 |
| haarg | those things + spectreSubnets should be the only thing that need to be working for spectre->webgui connectivity | 22:51 |
| haarg | webgui->spectre works a bit different. it's an ip address and port number iirc. | 22:51 |
| haarg | would be better if that could be in the site config too, but iirc it can't be. | 22:52 |
| sbaur | vanjwilson1: I've always added the actual IP/32 into spectreSubnets instead of having 127.0.0.1 twice | 23:10 |
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| vanjwilson1 | Trying to nest macros in new-style ^if(); macro for the default value of a Data Form field, and one of inside macros has multiple params, so I think the parser is being greedy and going to comma in the inside macro: | 20:57 |
| vanjwilson1 | ^If(^FormParam(id);,^GetTLSfield(units,port,^FormParam(id););,4004); | 20:57 |
| haarg | use quotes | 20:58 |
| vanjwilson1 | should return: ^GetTLSfield(units,port,^FormParam(id); if there is an id in the query string, or the default value of "4004" if there is not an id in the query string | 20:58 |
| vanjwilson1 | (sorry about the quotes) | 20:59 |
| vanjwilson1 | "^If(^FormParam(id);,^GetTLSfield(units,port,^FormParam(id););,4004);" | 20:59 |
| vanjwilson1 | "^If(^FormParam(id);,^GetTLSfield(units,port,^FormParam(id););,4004);" | 20:59 |
| haarg | ^If("^FormParam(id);","^GetTLSfield(units,port,^FormParam(id););",4004); # something like this | 20:59 |
| vanjwilson1 | ahhhhh, you mean quotes in the WebGUI data field Default box, not here in the chat room (he said, somewhat sheepishly) | 21:00 |
| haarg | yeah :) | 21:00 |
| vanjwilson1 | @haarg, thanks, that works | 21:03 |
| ckotil | nice | 21:04 |
| @daviddelikat1 | anybody using YUI 2.9 with WebGUI? | 22:10 |
| ckotil | negative. we're not even using 2.9 in our internal apps | 22:53 |
| ckotil | still on 2.8 | 22:53 |
| sbaur | here is an odd problem for the group. I have one IP address (the grand-boss's computer) getting a 500 error when accessing one particular webgui 7.6.35 site. No one else is getting 500 errors (grepped the access log) and the site seems to be working fine for everyone else. Any ideas why only one computer/browser would give an error 500? | 23:21 |
| sbaur | He is of course 500 miles away so I can't jut grab his laptop and try to figure things out with it. | 23:22 |
| haarg | try with a different browser / cleared cookies? | 23:25 |
| sbaur | that is what I've requested him to do | 23:26 |
| sbaur | always sucks when you can't duplicate a problem... | 23:26 |
| ckotil | turn up debug logging | 23:28 |
| sbaur | good idea ckotil | 23:28 |
| haarg | could it be related to his user account? | 23:29 |
| sbaur | I just "became" him and the home page loaded just fine for me | 23:30 |
| sbaur | and i think it's been years since he actually logged in | 23:30 |
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| sbaur | browser seems to be playing a part. He reports FF was very very slow, but did finally load the page | 23:36 |
| ckotil | 500's usually a script is crashing, right? | 23:39 |
| sbaur | "Internal Server Error" | 23:39 |
| ckotil | yeah, like when a script doesn't get all the required inputs. | 23:40 |
| sbaur | the site is als.csuprojects.org and he was getting 500 errors just on the homepage in IE 8 if anyone wants to inspect it | 23:40 |
| sbaur | s/just// | 23:41 |
| ckotil | ie8 works for me | 23:42 |
| sbaur | thanks ckotil | 23:46 |
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| sbaur | I've checked modproxy.error.log and modperl.error.log are there any other apache error logs I could check for clues? | 00:17 |
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| CIA-148 | wrebuild: perldreamer wre7 * r559fe2a / getsource.sh : Update some source files. - http://git.io/_ihsbQ | 01:54 |
| CIA-148 | wrebuild: Colin Kuskie wre7 * r8aedbaa / getsource.sh : Update some GNU specific files. - http://git.io/a4wsGg | 02:12 |
| CIA-148 | wrebuild: Colin Kuskie wre7 * r8f3d14c / getsource.sh : Source updates. - http://git.io/Uoo3sw | 02:12 |
| @scrottie | especially if he's on cell data, it could be the wireless carriers HTTP proxies. I've known IE to cache errors, which is a really bad policy. clearing the cache might fix it. | 02:16 |
| @scrottie | turning the log level up to debug and watching while he hits it is the only other thing I can think to suggest. | 02:17 |
| sbaur | his IP suggests he was on a wired connection at the time. I did turn up the log level, and it didn't give me any hints, but I'll go through it more closely tomorrow. Thanks scrottie | 02:30 |
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| CIA-148 | wrebuild: Colin Kuskie wre7 * rfd38e6a / getsource.sh : More version updates. - http://git.io/gomekQ | 02:34 |
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| doc_gt7 | Hello friends. Is there a way to set the outgoing email address on webgui? Our mail address there is support@domain.com but it sends mail from webgui@domain.com. When trying to use Amazon SES mail service the email must be verified. Of course this one does not exist at all.... What am I missing? | 20:40 |
| doc_gt7 | Actually, it is sending from FROM: webgui@<server hostname> | 20:43 |
| sbaur | Isn't that in the Settings, on the Company tab? | 20:48 |
| doc_gt7 | In AdminConsole > SETTINGS it says Company email is what is displayed on all automated messages. But it is ignoring this setting. And it always has... but it has not mattered till we moved our SMTP to amazon. | 20:49 |
| sbaur | what is sending the emails? is it a collab or something else? | 20:52 |
| doc_gt7 | Account creation... | 20:54 |
| sbaur | so the other half of the problem is in the template for the account creation email, maybe | 20:55 |
| doc_gt7 | Possibly. But it would be nice if all outgoing email was FROM: <Company Address> and not from anything else. :) | 20:56 |
| sbaur | well yes :) | 20:57 |
| sbaur | so that's the registration notification workflow | 20:57 |
| doc_gt7 | With Amazon SES you have to verify each sending email address. So it cannot just pick something so to speak :) | 20:57 |
| sbaur | and it doesn't have a way to change the from field, at least not in 7.5.40. | 20:58 |
| sbaur | OTOH, in 7.5.40, it does use the company email address from settings as the from address | 20:59 |
| sbaur | at least that's what it's doing for me | 20:59 |
| doc_gt7 | We are running: 7.10.24-stable but I do not see a way to fix it... :) | 20:59 |
| sbaur | do you have a file /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/NotifyAboutUser.pm ? | 21:01 |
| @scrottie | what particular email is it generating? | 21:01 |
| sbaur | actually never mind about that activity, it doesn't have anything about the from address in it directly | 21:02 |
| doc_gt7 | Checking... The way that I found this was when we changed the outgoing mail server to amazon and then watched the mail log file. Created an account and the confirmation email was sent from webgui@<server hostname> | 21:02 |
| @scrottie | WebGUI::Mail::Send::create's docs for the from field say "A single email address that this message will originate from. Defaults to the company email address stored in the settings." | 21:03 |
| @scrottie | but various places in the system pass other values that they get from various places (configuration for that asset, or the email address of the user who created a post, etc) | 21:03 |
| @scrottie | well, even if you get that email working, the collaboration system isn't ever going to get email relayed through amazon's server, it sounds like. | 21:04 |
| @scrottie | my $from = $headers->{from} || $session->setting->get('comanyName') . " <".$session->setting->get("companyEmail").">"; | 21:04 |
| @scrottie | that's the default. | 21:04 |
| sbaur | that second bit got concatenated on after 7.5.40 :-) | 21:05 |
| @scrottie | the tooltip for the setting is labeled "Company Email Address" in settings. | 21:05 |
| @scrottie | er, the field is, not the tooltip. | 21:05 |
| @scrottie | oh, hrm. | 21:06 |
| sbaur | doc said that has never worked for him... | 21:06 |
| doc_gt7 | I have that email address correct. But it has always ignored that... and through several upgrades :) | 21:06 |
| doc_gt7 | We started using webgui on this site in 2008 and it has over 2300 users. But we have issues getting the mail delivered sometimes which is why we are trying amazon ses. | 21:07 |
| @scrottie | what workflow activities does it run on creating a user? | 21:07 |
| @scrottie | your best bet for email is probably to run something like postfix on your own server, and get your reverse DNS right. | 21:08 |
| doc_gt7 | None are set... | 21:08 |
| sbaur | on the User tab, On Create User doesn't have a workflow? then what is sending the email? | 21:09 |
| doc_gt7 | We have the DNS and postfix, and a stand alone zimbra server. Mail is getting harder to deliver these days, Mainly when we send out a news letter webgui dumps about 2000 emails at once it appears and this sudden surge causes most mail servers to block you, like hotmail ect.... | 21:10 |
| doc_gt7 | I have no idea... but there is nothing there. And it does generate confirmation emails :) | 21:10 |
| @scrottie | maybe I actually need to check out 7.5.40... | 21:13 |
| @scrottie | or make you upgrade =P | 21:13 |
| doc_gt7 | Beat you to it: WebGUI Build Version:7.10.24-stable | 21:14 |
| doc_gt7 | Latest version available:7.10.24-stable | 21:14 |
| sbaur | I'm working on the upgrade part, but darn it, one of my sites is taking out modproxy silently as soon as I enable it on 7.6, so I have to spend some time figuring out wth is going wrong | 21:14 |
| @scrottie | were you actually running 7.5.40? did you do all of those upgarders just now? | 21:14 |
| doc_gt7 | It was the MaxMemSize setting that did mine in I think. | 21:15 |
| @scrottie | doesn't that take a few different tarballs to get all of the upgrader scripts | 21:15 |
| sbaur | scrottie, I have a ton of custom code, upgrades are a true PITA | 21:15 |
| @scrottie | urgh. | 21:15 |
| sbaur | and stop versions just add to the pain | 21:15 |
| @scrottie | yeah. | 21:15 |
| doc_gt7 | No, I have been up to date for quite a while. But this email issue has haunted us for a long time. :) | 21:15 |
| @scrottie | there really should be a tarball of every upgrader script ever. | 21:15 |
| sbaur | thanks doc, I'll keep that in mind | 21:16 |
| @scrottie | doc_gt7, can you give me a snippet of text from the email that it is trying to send when it creates a user? | 21:16 |
| * sbaur would love the tarball to rule them all | 21:16 | |
| doc_gt7 | yea give me a sec and ill do just that... | 21:16 |
| @scrottie | "?:.l/' | 21:17 |
| * scrottie cleans something off his keyboard | 21:17 | |
| sbaur | scrottie, that fact that i have to test 20+ sites for every upgrade does not help speed the process | 21:18 |
| doc_gt7 | Well, actually the email just says: Welcome to <sitename>, Please click the link below to activate your account so you can log in: <link> | 21:18 |
| @scrottie | ah, okay. you have email validation on. | 21:19 |
| @scrottie | do you have wgd installed? | 21:19 |
| doc_gt7 | Never heard of it... :) | 21:19 |
| @scrottie | that's sent at lib/WebGUI/Auth?WebGUI.pm 293, and it doesn't specify a from, so it should be using the default. | 21:20 |
| doc_gt7 | We are using Ubuntu x64 / WRE / Webgui stable. | 21:20 |
| @scrottie | huh. you need to spend more time in this channel, then =P | 21:20 |
| doc_gt7 | Odd , true :) | 21:21 |
| @scrottie | alright, when you do this at mysql, what does it say? select * from settings where name='companyEmail'; | 21:21 |
| @scrottie | I want to make sure that the setting is actually in the right place and set. | 21:21 |
| doc_gt7 | I get the correct email address there.... | 21:22 |
| doc_gt7 | Maybe this is some kind of postfix / local user thing. The mail looks correct, but it is being sent BY the wrong address. The return email is actually the correct one. < Digging through postfix > | 21:24 |
| @scrottie | select * from settings where name='webguiAccountActivationTemplate'; | 21:24 |
| @scrottie | you are using WebGUI auth rather than something else I assume. | 21:24 |
| doc_gt7 | Yes, webgui auth | 21:24 |
| @scrottie | doc_gt7, I think you're probably right. | 21:25 |
| doc_gt7 | I get a result on that, so there is a template existing. Let me see what is happening with postfix maybe.... We may be hitting a brick wall :) | 21:26 |
| @scrottie | I re-wrote my /usr/sbin/sendmail in Perl. it's just a quick mash-up of Net::DNS and Mail::Sendmail. you're welcome to a copy =P | 21:26 |
| @scrottie | no queuing. no configuration. just immediate delivery. on the other hand, it really needs support for Bcc and Cc across multiple domains. | 21:27 |
| doc_gt7 | The only mail this server sends is account creation, notifications, newsletters, so there is never any CC or BCC involved. It is running postfix and trying to relay through amazon SES :) | 21:29 |
| doc_gt7 | I "think" what is happening here is that there is a user named webgui. The wre is running as webgui and when it sends email via postfix, it is being sent FROM webgui@hostname. | 21:31 |
| @scrottie | what's your setting for smtpServer? | 21:33 |
| @scrottie | select * from settings where name='smtpSever'; | 21:33 |
| doc_gt7 | /usr/sbin/sendmail | 21:33 |
| @scrottie | if (open(MAIL,"| ".$smtpServer." -t -oi -oem")) { | 21:34 |
| @scrottie | I wish that used the three arg version of open. | 21:34 |
| doc_gt7 | But that query just returned empty.... | 21:34 |
| @scrottie | oops, Server, not Sever. | 21:35 |
| @scrottie | I do that all of the time. | 21:35 |
| doc_gt7 | lol :) | 21:35 |
| doc_gt7 | Yep, that made a difference | 21:35 |
| @scrottie | -o is ignored in postfix. | 21:36 |
| @scrottie | -oi isn't though. | 21:36 |
| @scrottie | I can't find docs for what the "em" setting is. | 21:40 |
| @scrottie | huh. anyway, that probably needs to pass an -f option, and postfix may or may not be configured to accept that for the 'webgui' user. | 21:41 |
| sbaur | you may just be able to setup some masquerading in postfix... | 21:42 |
| @scrottie | or, alternatively, if postfix were configured differently, it might pick up on the From: header if configured correctly. | 21:42 |
| doc_gt7 | Not sure. But this server is only a Webgui server. I am reading about: Generic mapping for outgoing SMTP mail | 21:42 |
| doc_gt7 | That would probably be ideal. | 21:42 |
| doc_gt7 | ie... picking up on the FROM: header. | 21:43 |
| sbaur | Good luck Doc | 21:43 |
| doc_gt7 | Thank ya. I think it is because the local user: webgui actually exists so it looks no farther and uses that. | 21:44 |
| @scrottie | yeah, it needs to pick up on the From: header. | 21:51 |
| @scrottie | masquerade_exceptions=webgui | 21:51 |
| @scrottie | that might do the trick | 21:51 |
| doc_gt7 | gonna research that. That would be a must have for anyone running webgui / postfix. | 21:52 |
| @scrottie | hrm, no, I think that's only for domain name masquerading. | 21:53 |
| @scrottie | I am running postfix with wG on a few servers, and I don't see anything special in the config files. | 21:54 |
| doc_gt7 | Generic mapping for outgoing SMTP mail is working but rewrites ALL the mail from webgui to the same address. That includes all sites. | 21:55 |
| ckotil | that's an interesting issue I've never had to tackle , using different email domains for differnet sites. | 21:55 |
| @scrottie | https://gist.github.com/2647970 | 21:56 |
| doc_gt7 | I had set up an alias for webgui. But that routed incoming mail to my specified address. It had no effect on outgoing mail. | 21:59 |
| ckotil | It seems to me like you would want postfix to do virtual domains, and then webgui would need to know what domain to use for each site. | 22:00 |
| ckotil | meeting, bbiab. | 22:00 |
| sbaur | doc, don't know what you've already tried, but check out http://www.postfix.org/ADDRESS_REWRITING_README.html | 22:00 |
| sbaur | I have meeting as well | 22:00 |
| doc_gt7 | sbaur: that is what I am currently playing with. What I have at the moment is it rewriting ALL the addresses :) thanks :) | 22:00 |
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| doc_gt7 | The postfix log shows: postfix/pickup[9824]: 4B7F0251D: uid=1001 from=<webgui> Whenever it sends new mail. | 22:53 |
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| @scrottie | if you wanted to, you could set the emailToLog option and then inspect the emails in the webgui log to make sure that the From: header is set correctly in there. | 22:59 |
| doc_gt7 | Hrm, that would be great to know. How would I go about that? | 23:00 |
| @scrottie | "emailToLog" : 1, | 23:00 |
| @scrottie | add that to your webgui's .conf file | 23:00 |
| @scrottie | then tail -f your webgui.log, whereever it is | 23:01 |
| doc_gt7 | I will test that out and see if it is formed correctly. | 23:01 |
| @scrottie | there's a delay on delivering SMTP email... the workflow runs every few minutes or something like that | 23:01 |
| @scrottie | I think | 23:01 |
| sbaur | every 5 min by default | 23:06 |
| doc_gt7 | Waiting on the workflow to run... but I think I have found a work around. I have several sites here. The ones that are using localhost generate this line: postfix/smtpd[10379]: connect from localhost[127.0.0.1] | 23:11 |
| doc_gt7 | The ones that use /usr/bin/sendmail generate this line: postfix/pickup[9824]: 4B7F0251D: uid=1001 from=<webgui> | 23:11 |
| sbaur | looks like you have a fix | 23:12 |
| doc_gt7 | I am thinking that if I set them all to localhost this issue will go away... | 23:12 |
| * sbaur crosses fingers | 23:13 | |
| doc_gt7 | Well its official. If you use WebGUI and Postfix you should set the SETTINGS->SMTP Server to "localhost". If you set it to /usr/bin/sendmail postfix uses the "webgui" user account on the local machine. At least on our systems here. :) | 23:26 |
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| sbaur | that's good to know, and I'm glad you got it fixed | 23:27 |
| doc_gt7 | Changing it localhost resolved the mail sending as webgui@<machine hostname> and instead uses the proper company address. | 23:27 |
| doc_gt7 | Yea, its a head ache when a 30 minute job turns into 4 hours but that is the ones you remember :) | 23:28 |
| sbaur | is suspect because somewhere something expects that to be a hostname instead of a program name | 23:28 |
| doc_gt7 | Also, SETTINGS > AUTHENTICATION > Send welcome message? sends out the email before the account is confirmed and activated telling the user they can now log in, when actually they cannot because they have not activated the account yet. :) | 23:31 |
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| elnino | good morning! what does the attachfile thing do for templates that is different than just putting stylesheets in the metadata area? | 17:38 |
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| @scrottie | morning! I could guess. | 18:59 |
| @scrottie | but I haven't noticed how that's used. | 18:59 |
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| pskept | i'd like to display somethings using something like the Carousel asset only with the ability to display multiple items at once and still scroll to other items. the Carousel asset only seems to let me display one item at a time. any suggestions? | 17:33 |
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| vanjwilson1 | trying to migrate a webgui site from an old server that's going to be decommissioned, to a newer development server, but I can't get DBD:Pg to install on the newer dev server's WRE (which is working fine for 3 other MySQL-only sites) | 16:38 |
| vanjwilson1 | when I switch environment and "cpan install DBD::Pg", the install asks: | 16:39 |
| vanjwilson1 | You need to install postgresql-server-dev-X.Y for building a server-side extension or libpq-dev for building a client-side application. | 16:39 |
| vanjwilson1 | Enter a valid PostgreSQL bin directory | 16:39 |
| vanjwilson1 | I installed postgres on this server (Ubuntu 10.4), using info from here (http://socrateos.blogspot.com/2011/07/installing-postgresql-90-on-ubuntu-1104.html) and here (http://wiki.flexive.org/confluence/display/FX/Postgres+9.x+installation+in+Ubuntu) | 16:46 |
| vanjwilson1 | Hey, think I just found what I missed here: http://www.dctrwatson.com/2010/09/installing-postgresql-9-0-on-ubuntu-10-04/ | 16:49 |
| vanjwilson1 | Ran "sudo apt-get install libpq-dev" and now DBD:Pg installs | 16:49 |
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| @daviddelikat | vanjwilson1: are you using webui with postgres? | 17:31 |
| vanjwilson1 | I'm not using postgres as webgui's database, it's for an extra db connection specific to this client's app | 17:38 |
| vanjwilson1 | btw, installing libpg from the PPA for ubuntu worked--I can pull reports from the Pg db on the newer server just like I could on the older one | 17:39 |
| vanjwilson1 | (fwiw, I think Pg is a fine database, if you query using the SQL standard, the problem is most example I find are enamored of the Pg-only syntax, and there are not as many admin tools available for Pg as for MySQL) | 17:41 |
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| @scrottie | vanjwilson1, that's typical. if you ever install a perl module that attaches to the Xyzzy system, you need to install xyzzy-dev from your package manager, or build xyzzy from source code. | 18:52 |
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| qwebirc20652 | Hello. I'm trying to setup the beta ver of webgui8 with wre-0.9.6 on centos-5.8-i386 and need help setting up a site. What has replaced /data/wre/sbin/wreconsole.pl | 19:52 |
| @scrottie | good question. I have no idea. | 19:58 |
| @scrottie | perlDreamer would know. | 19:58 |
| @scrottie | he was working on that. | 19:58 |
| @scrottie | but he isn't here. | 19:58 |
| qwebirc20652 | will he be back today? Or would Monday be better. | 19:59 |
| @scrottie | I haven't seen him in quite a while. | 20:00 |
| @scrottie | what task are you trying to do with wreconsole? | 20:00 |
| @scrottie | I see various utilities in https://github.com/plainblack/wrebuild/tree/d432f0797edb77e51a377e150476e30a9a0915d7/wre/sbin | 20:01 |
| qwebirc20652 | Everything seems fine with my installion including testEnvironment.pl, ..now I need to add a site...how to proceed | 20:03 |
| @scrottie | https://github.com/plainblack/wrebuild/blob/d432f0797edb77e51a377e150476e30a9a0915d7/wre/sbin/wresetup.pl ... just guessing, but that seems to be the next step. | 20:05 |
| @scrottie | then addsite.pl | 20:05 |
| @scrottie | I don't know accurate the instructions in https://github.com/plainblack/wrebuild/blob/d432f0797edb77e51a377e150476e30a9a0915d7/wre/docs/install.txt are, but they seem to have been updated for nginx and such. did you have any success with those? | 20:08 |
| qwebirc20652 | The WRE instructions were helpful. I researching addsite.pl usage | 20:11 |
| haarg | i really wish i had gotten time to add an addsite style command to wgd :/ | 20:12 |
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| qwebirc51846 | Hello. I installed the new WRE, v-0.9.6 and webgui beta 8 on a esxi5 vm but can't get it to work. The site was created using 'addsite.pl'. I get 'Internal Server Error' when I go to the site. The 'site' was added in /etc/hosts using the server host name. Please help | 17:49 |
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| @scrottie | did you stop Apache (and not start it again)? | 18:41 |
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| @scrottie | I don't see plack serve that particular error up very often so I have to wonder if Apache is still lingering around | 18:43 |
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| @daviddelikat | webgui 8 does not run on apache | 18:46 |
| * BartJol thinks that is exactly what scott is checking | 18:46 | |
| @daviddelikat | could be | 18:47 |
| @scrottie | still, good to see signs off life from another PB'er on here. | 18:47 |
| @scrottie | signs of life | 18:47 |
| @scrottie | cheers, daviddelikat! | 18:48 |
| haarg | technically, wg8 could run on apache | 18:48 |
| @scrottie | gets lonely around these parts. | 18:48 |
| haarg | but i don't know why you'd want to do that | 18:48 |
| @daviddelikat | scrottie: cheers! glug glug... | 18:48 |
| CIA-148 | wgdev: Mark Leighton Fisher master * rcc38761 / (README lib/WGDev/Command/Batchedit.pm): Added Command/Batchedit.pm and updated the README for me as a contributor. - http://git.io/lP-tkw | 18:49 |
| @daviddelikat | yes it could but you would have to jump through some hoops to do it | 18:49 |
| @scrottie | commits have also been conspiciously lacking lately too. | 18:50 |
| * haarg wants to de-duplicate some of the code for that batchedit command, but i might push out a release before messing with that | 18:50 | |
| @daviddelikat | qwebirc51846 was asking why he got a system error when they probably did not start webgui 8 at all becuase by default apache has nothing to do wiht it... | 18:50 |
| qwebirc51846 | Setup is on a clean install. No Apache. Followed instruction accompanying WRE. | 18:51 |
| @daviddelikat | did the wre instructions mention wg8? | 18:51 |
| @daviddelikat | sorry I have nto looked at them | 18:51 |
| @daviddelikat | so I have to ask | 18:51 |
| @daviddelikat | I know colin was working on wre for WG8 | 18:52 |
| @daviddelikat | but I do not know how far he got | 18:52 |
| @scrottie | the procedure for adding a site is different, and the new WRE has instructions for that | 18:52 |
| @scrottie | one person had success with them just the other day | 18:52 |
| * scrottie is always interested in doc fixes | 18:52 | |
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| +BartJol | well, have fun, dinnertime | 18:56 |
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| @scrottie | qwebirc51846, do these instructions match the ones you used? https://github.com/plainblack/wrebuild/blob/d432f0797edb77e51a377e150476e30a9a0915d7/wre/docs/install.txt | 19:05 |
| qwebirc51846 | Yes. | 19:06 |
| @scrottie | and you followed the instructions that came with wG8, in addition to those? | 19:07 |
| @scrottie | https://github.com/plainblack/webgui/blob/1ee06682674273b8325f6651f48b35f2dfa9a8ec/docs/install.txt | 19:09 |
| qwebirc51846 | no | 19:11 |
| qwebirc51846 | I will try this. Thanks | 19:12 |
| qwebirc51846 | Is the GIT ver of Webgui more current than the available WebGUI download? | 19:13 |
| qwebirc51846 | WebGUI 8 download | 19:13 |
| @scrottie | what link did you use to download? | 19:14 |
| @scrottie | the git version is usually more current, but that's not always a good thing ;) | 19:14 |
| qwebirc51846 | http://sourceforge.net/projects/pbwebgui/files/WebGUI%20Runtime%20Environment/WRE%200.9.6/ | 19:14 |
| qwebirc51846 | Sorry. Wrong link. http://sourceforge.net/projects/pbwebgui/files/WebGUI%20Source/8.0.0%20%28beta%29/ | 19:16 |
| @scrottie | hrm, I don't think it changed much from the beta to the release version, but neither did the install docs. I wrote those some time ago now. so the install instructions you had should match those. | 19:17 |
| @scrottie | grabbing the git version may be the best bet... | 19:18 |
| @scrottie | git clone git://github.com/plainblack/webgui.git | 19:18 |
| @scrottie | there are two sets of install instructions. the ones in README are the short version. doc/install.txt has the longer version. the bit about "install perl", "install MySQL", "install ImageMagick" are redundant with the WRE. the WRE provides that stuff and most of the perl modules you need. | 19:20 |
| qwebirc51846 | Would I need to setup the configuration files for the site, or is that what the addsite.pl script do? | 19:33 |
| @scrottie | ugh. good question. I haven't used the new WRE or addsite.pl. I suggest double-checking the config files after running addsite.pl. | 20:01 |
| @scrottie | I assume it sets up the config files.... | 20:01 |
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| xdanger | So there is a release of wg8 on sourceforge, does that mean that plainblack has released wg8 on 2012-03-11 and just didn't tell anyone about it? I'm a bit confused about the situation... | 08:36 |
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| @scrottie | xdanger, my guess is that wG8 will be formally announced at YAPC. but I haven't been told this. | 18:29 |
| @scrottie | I'm just guessing. | 18:29 |
| @scrottie | 8.0.1 is in development, so that means that 8.0.0 isn't changing any more. and it was declared done some time ago, but lacking a WRE to run it. | 18:30 |
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| CIA-148 | wrebuild: root wre7 * rea7396a / getsource.sh : Add nettle, p11_kit and GMP libraries to replace gcrypt. - http://git.io/FXjtvw | 01:53 |
| CIA-148 | wrebuild: perldreamer wre7 * r2e94920 / getsource.sh : Fixes and updates. - http://git.io/RjkHcw | 01:53 |
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| @scrottie | mornin' Mark | 18:35 |
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| MarkLeightonFish | Afternoon, Scott. They shut down my power for 2 hours, so I got a late start today (as also his bus just drove right by rather than stopping for him earlier in the morning...) | 21:36 |
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| qwebirc86928 | Good Day. I 've setup wre-0.9.6 and webgui current beta (via git) but couldn't get it to work. One of the perl modules has an issue. | 21:32 |
| qwebirc86928 | wreservice.pl returns: Use of qw(...) as parentheses is deprecated at /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.2/Business/PayPal/API.pm line 246, <DATA> line 10. | 21:33 |
| @scrottie | heya qwebirc86928 | 21:34 |
| @scrottie | usually "deprecated" messages like that are just warnings, not errors. | 21:35 |
| @scrottie | I'm re-installing it and running tests to see if it blows up for me | 21:37 |
| qwebirc86928 | Then it should be another reason that nginx fails > Internal Server Error | 21:37 |
| @scrottie | nope. your actual problem is something else. that's probably a red herring. | 21:37 |
| @scrottie | ah. | 21:37 |
| @scrottie | you were here the other day. people were talking about that and had a lot to say, but you apparently vanished and didn't catch it. | 21:37 |
| @scrottie | first off, nginx probably isn't giving you "Internal Server Error". that's usually Apache. | 21:38 |
| @scrottie | do ps -aux | grep httpd | 21:38 |
| @scrottie | what's the output of that? | 21:38 |
| qwebirc86928 | Sorry. Was it resolved! | 21:38 |
| @scrottie | well, we aren't having this problem. | 21:38 |
| @scrottie | only you are. so we have some questions. | 21:38 |
| @scrottie | I'll drop the royal We now and talk about I. | 21:38 |
| @scrottie | I have some questions. | 21:38 |
| @scrottie | until/unless other people pipe up again. | 21:38 |
| sbaur | all hail king scrottie | 21:39 |
| @scrottie | heh | 21:39 |
| sbaur | :) | 21:39 |
| @scrottie | Jester! Jest for me. | 21:39 |
| qwebirc86928 | I did a clean install. Apache wasn't installed on the CentOS-5.8-i386 server | 21:39 |
| @scrottie | I had no idea you could write: for $i qw(foo bar baz) { } ... | 21:39 |
| @scrottie | do you still have access to this server? | 21:40 |
| qwebirc86928 | yes. | 21:40 |
| @scrottie | I can try to help troubleshoot, but I don't know from the description what is wrong. | 21:40 |
| @scrottie | okay, ps -ax | grep httpd doesn't come back with anything? | 21:40 |
| @scrottie | I don't know if there's an httpd in that version of the wre or not. | 21:41 |
| qwebirc86928 | ps -aux | grep httpd, returns - Warning: bad syntax, perhaps a bogus '-'? See /usr/share/doc/procps-3.2.7/FAQ root 8051 0.0 0.0 4016 676 pts/0 R+ 14:35 0:00 grep httpd | 21:41 |
| @scrottie | huh. alright. | 21:42 |
| @scrottie | did you use these install instructions to set up WebGUI after doing the setup for the WRE? https://github.com/plainblack/webgui/blob/1ee06682674273b8325f6651f48b35f2dfa9a8ec/docs/install.txt | 21:43 |
| @scrottie | do those match what you used? | 21:43 |
| @scrottie | WRE install instructions are https://github.com/plainblack/wrebuild/blob/d432f0797edb77e51a377e150476e30a9a0915d7/wre/docs/install.txt | 21:43 |
| @scrottie | did I lose your attention again already? | 21:48 |
| qwebirc86928 | Not yet. | 21:51 |
| qwebirc86928 | Somewhat. I ran the script, /data/wre/sbin/addsite.pl which created the site | 21:51 |
| @scrottie | /data/wre/sbin/wresetup.pl ... did you do that step? | 21:52 |
| @scrottie | testEnvironment.pl ... and that one? | 21:52 |
| qwebirc86928 | Yes to both. | 21:53 |
| @scrottie | I really should fire up a VM and play with this stuff. this is new, and I didn't write it. those setup scripts, I mean, and the packaged up nginx config. | 22:00 |
| @scrottie | I've been running plack straightup for development. | 22:01 |
| @scrottie | I don't see anything in the install instructions for the wre or in the code for the wre setup script that actually starts the WebGUI. | 22:01 |
| @scrottie | does ps -aux | grep -e perl -e plackup show you anything? | 22:02 |
| qwebirc86928 | Warning: bad syntax, perhaps a bogus '-'? See /usr/share/doc/procps-3.2.7/FAQ root 3585 0.0 0.0 4016 676 pts/0 R+ 14:58 0:00 grep -e perl -e plackup | 22:02 |
| @scrottie | maybe wremonitor restarts stuff if it is running in cron, but that stuff really needs to be optional, so I hope that that isn't the design | 22:02 |
| @scrottie | ps -ax | grep nginx .... nginx is running, you said? | 22:03 |
| qwebirc86928 | No. | 22:03 |
| @scrottie | if you want to indulge me... cd to /data/WebGUI and do PERL5LIB='/data/WebGUI/lib:/data/WebGUI/t/lib';plackup app.psgi | 22:07 |
| @scrottie | what does that say? | 22:07 |
| qwebirc86928 | -bash: plackup: command not found | 22:08 |
| @scrottie | . /data/wre/sbin/setenvironment.sh; plackup app.psgi | 22:09 |
| @scrottie | that? | 22:09 |
| @scrottie | that should go one of a few ways. if DSN/mysl users etc were set up, it should basically come up. if upgrades weren't ran (yes, upgrades on a new install are required), the AdminBar won't display. that's the first thing of many that goes wrong in that case. | 22:10 |
| @scrottie | WebGUI8 has instructions in install.txt for starting it with plackup, and the WRE docs have no instructions for actually starting things. that should be fixed. | 22:12 |
| qwebirc86928 | http://0:5000 | 22:12 |
| qwebirc86928 | ? | 22:12 |
| @scrottie | that means that plackup is running. | 22:13 |
| @scrottie | you should be able to connect to http://localhost:5000 | 22:13 |
| qwebirc86928 | I get a page, 'Error trace' | 22:13 |
| @scrottie | does that look like anything? | 22:13 |
| @scrottie | did you run the upgrades with wgd? | 22:13 |
| @scrottie | (or alternative connect to whatever IP the machine is at on port 5000, if it isn't localhost) | 22:14 |
| qwebirc86928 | I get a page titled 'Error trace' that lists - 42 errors | 22:16 |
| @scrottie | alright, did you set up a mysql user, and set the dsn, dbuser, and dbpass fields on the .conf file in /data/WebGUI/etc ? | 22:17 |
| @scrottie | (line 24 of https://github.com/plainblack/webgui/blob/1ee06682674273b8325f6651f48b35f2dfa9a8ec/docs/install.txt) | 22:18 |
| qwebirc86928 | Yes | 22:18 |
| @scrottie | echo $WEBGUI_CONFIG | 22:18 |
| @scrottie | what's that come back with? | 22:18 |
| qwebirc86928 | Nothing. | 22:19 |
| qwebirc86928 | This is at the top of the 'Error tace' page - WebGUI::SQL connect('c58w8b;host=;port=','gpzxdvneoleqohx',...) failed: Access denied for user 'gpzxdvneoleqohx'@'localhost' (using password: YES) at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Middleware/StackTrace.pm line 24 | 22:19 |
| @scrottie | alright. set it... export WEBGUI_CONFIG=/data/WebGUI/etc/<whatever the name of your .conf file is> | 22:20 |
| @scrottie | that was my guess... WebGUI isn't able to connect to mysql. | 22:20 |
| @scrottie | otherwise, it shouldn't blow up hard. | 22:20 |
| @scrottie | is there a my.cnf in /etc/ ? | 22:21 |
| qwebirc86928 | No. | 22:21 |
| qwebirc86928 | This is my addsite info - /data/wre/sbin/addsite.pl --sitename=c58w8b --adminPassword=123qwe --databaseUser=webgui --databasePassword=123qwe | 22:22 |
| @scrottie | mysql --user=webgui --password=123qwe webgui # does that drop you into a mysql> shell? | 22:23 |
| qwebirc86928 | No | 22:24 |
| @scrottie | yeah. this addsite script doesn't talk to mysql and set that up, so not surprising. | 22:24 |
| qwebirc86928 | ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'webgui'@'localhost' (using password: YES) | 22:25 |
| @scrottie | mysql --user=root # does that get you in to a mysql> shell? | 22:25 |
| qwebirc86928 | No. | 22:26 |
| qwebirc86928 | This does, mysql -u root -p | 22:26 |
| qwebirc86928 | after entering pwd | 22:26 |
| @scrottie | alright. | 22:26 |
| @scrottie | grant all privileges on c58w8b.* to webgui@localhost identified by '123qwe'; | 22:27 |
| @scrottie | do that | 22:27 |
| @scrottie | a quick test to see if your wG config file is correct (with respect to mysql) is to run 'wgd db' at the command line, with WEBGUI_CONFIG set and | 22:28 |
| qwebirc86928 | Done. But I had done that already | 22:28 |
| @scrottie | and /data/wre/sbin/setenvironment.sh sourced in | 22:28 |
| @scrottie | huh. | 22:29 |
| @scrottie | okay, maybe the addsite script failed. | 22:29 |
| @scrottie | grep -e dsn -e dbpass -e dbuser /data/WebGUI/etc/c58w8b.conf | 22:29 |
| @scrottie | what's that come back with? does that match? | 22:29 |
| @scrottie | and does wgd db get you a mysql> prompt? | 22:29 |
| qwebirc86928 | "dbpass" : "qA6sR9wN3pK8raj554ZY9e", "dbuser" : "gpzxdvneoleqohx", "dsn" : "DBI:mysql:c58w8b;host=;port=", | 22:30 |
| @scrottie | c58w8b looks like the only part that's correct. | 22:31 |
| @scrottie | er, not even | 22:31 |
| qwebirc86928 | wgd db - No WebGUI config file available. | 22:31 |
| @scrottie | wait... | 22:31 |
| @scrottie | fix dbpass and dbuser in your config file? and then change 'c58w8b' to 'webgui' in the dsn entry in the config file? | 22:32 |
| @scrottie | I think that 'c58w8b' field in '"DBI:mysql:c58w8b...' is supposed to be the database name, even though the perldoc for DBD::mysql's example has a database= in front of that. | 22:33 |
| @scrottie | then try 'wgd db' again. again, assuming WEBGUI_CONFIG is set to point to your WebGUI's .conf file... | 22:34 |
| haarg | DBD::mysql accepts the db name as the first item, db=, database=, or dbname= | 22:35 |
| @scrottie | I vaguely rememberd that being the case. | 22:36 |
| qwebirc86928 | where should 'wgd db' be run? | 22:43 |
| @scrottie | bash/csh/whatever. | 22:47 |
| @scrottie | you said you ran 'wgd --reset upgrade' earlier, right? | 22:47 |
| @scrottie | but that wouldn't have worked without the database stuff configured correct in the .conf | 22:48 |
| qwebirc86928 | No. Would I? I'm doing a new install. It seems then that the db stuff isn't getting configured. | 22:50 |
| @scrottie | yeah. upgrades have to be run on a new install. | 22:50 |
| @scrottie | and you can't use the old wG7 WRE's upgrade scripts. | 22:51 |
| @scrottie | agreed, re: database stuff not getting configured. | 22:51 |
| @scrottie | I'll have to test and fix that stuff. | 22:51 |
| @scrottie | and it also seems like the installer does very little. | 22:52 |
| @scrottie | it really needs to do more, or else the docs need to be more clear about what the user needs to do (eg, start up services!) | 22:52 |
| @scrottie | at least the wre docs. the wG8 docs should be fine =P | 22:52 |
| @scrottie | there's instructions in the wG install instructions for fetching wgd, which amount to doing wget http://haarg.org/wgd -O /data/WebGUI/sbin/wgd; chmod ugo+x /data/WebGUI/sbin/wgd | 22:57 |
| qwebirc86928 | /data/WebGUI/sbin/wgd db No WebGUI root directory available. | 23:04 |
| haarg | it's probably easiest to set WEBGUI_CONFIG to the absolute path to the config file | 23:04 |
| qwebirc86928 | running /data/WebGUI/sbin/wgd db gives me a mysql> prompt | 23:16 |
| @scrottie | alright, the .conf file is correct with respect to mysql, then. | 23:18 |
| @scrottie | control-c plackup (if you haven't already) and do that again.... cd /data/WebGUI;plackup app.psgi | 23:18 |
| @scrottie | again, with WEBGUI_CONFIG set, and setenvironment.sh sourced | 23:18 |
| @scrottie | oh, wait | 23:18 |
| @scrottie | you haven't run upgrades. | 23:18 |
| @scrottie | please do that now, or else the thing will be terribly broken. | 23:19 |
| @scrottie | wgd reset --upgrade | 23:19 |
| @scrottie | it should take a minute and generate lots of output | 23:19 |
| @scrottie | *then* plackup again | 23:19 |
| qwebirc86928 | ... /data/WebGUI/sbin/wgd reset --upgrade gives me Can't locate Class/Data/Inheritable.pm in @INC | 23:32 |
| qwebirc86928 | plus other compilation errors | 23:32 |
| @scrottie | then probably you haven't sourced setenvironment.sh in that session | 23:33 |
| @scrottie | "again, with WEBGUI_CONFIG set, and setenvironment.sh sourced" | 23:33 |
| @scrottie | when working with this stuff, you basically always need that sourced and WEBGUI_CONFIG set | 23:33 |
| @scrottie | the wG8 install.txt suggests putting those things in your .bashrc | 23:33 |
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| jhannah | Is there a WebGUI ERD somewhere? | 23:48 |
| jhannah | erd? | 23:48 |
| * jhannah withholds his botsnack | 23:48 | |
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| @scrottie | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entity-relationship_model ... did Google understand you? | 23:57 |
| @scrottie | ERD, ERM. probably not. | 23:57 |
| @scrottie | I had a gag in my wG8 talk at PPW where I showed the Pentagon decision making chart, said oops, then flopped over to an equally horrifying one mapping the relationships between assets in the stock wG8 database. | 23:59 |
| @scrottie | and I'm not sure why I hooked wG8 up to Gopher but not IRC. | 23:59 |
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| @scrottie | jhannah, or were you talking abut something like this? http://www.google.com/url?q=http://rails-erd.rubyforge.org/&sa=U&ei=rKC-T6LvKqnkiAL4qdWsCA&ved=0CDoQFjAO&usg=AFQjCNFuOxlcwAiOlcb_-eEuXGQy8KXMVg | 00:09 |
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| jhannah | scrottie: yup. the relationships between tables in the guts of webgui | 00:19 |
| @scrottie | between the tables? or between abstract things, such as templates? | 00:19 |
| jhannah | umm... either? | 00:20 |
| jhannah | whatever ya got, i'll take it :) | 00:20 |
| @scrottie | http://slowass.net/~scott/tmp/asset_graph.ps | 00:20 |
| @scrottie | I think I cut the most common relationships out | 00:21 |
| @scrottie | eg, mobilestyle | 00:21 |
| @scrottie | and the crystalstyle stuff | 00:21 |
| @scrottie | http://slowass.net/~scott/tmp/graphassets.pl.txt, with apologies to the living. | 00:23 |
| * jhannah ponders these things | 00:23 | |
| @scrottie | as for the database, assetId joins assetData on assetID, and the rest of the asset tables, in various combinations, join that on the compound key (assetId, revisionDate) | 00:24 |
| @scrottie | there's some other stuff with groups and groupings, and users and userSession, but that's the bulk of the database schema there. | 00:24 |
| jhannah | that's helpful. thanks :) | 00:25 |
| @scrottie | you're welcome =) | 00:25 |
| CIA-148 | wrebuild: root wre7 * r6e811e4 / build.sh : Set up pkg-config for handling config paths. Update versions. Remove gcrypt and add nettle, p11-kit and gmp. - http://git.io/8yYhfQ | 01:27 |
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| qwebirc86928 | Hello. I'm getting an error running, mysql --password --user=webgui < share/create.sql | 04:40 |
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| jhannah | qwebirc86928: nopaste the error: http://webgui.pastebin.com | 04:56 |
| qwebirc86928 | http://pastebin.com/sBG9tgKN | 04:59 |
| qwebirc86928 | Database is Percona, installed as per instructions in WRE-0.9.6 | 05:00 |
| jhannah | qwebirc86928: also nopaste share/create.sql | 05:10 |
| qwebirc86928 | http://pastebin.com/wC73PTLG | 05:12 |
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| qwebirc80242 | Good Day. I've setup WRE-0.9.6 + WebGUI current beta (via git) and I'm getting an error running, mysql --password --user=webgui < share/create.sql | 16:55 |
| qwebirc80242 | Percona MySQL was installed per wre instructions. | 16:56 |
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| CIA-148 | wrebuild: Colin Kuskie wre7 * r1908fe0 / getsource.sh : Add support for automatically downloading APR, since it's now packaged separately. - http://git.io/C0vlUQ | 07:41 |
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| CIA-148 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.10 * ree783e7 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/AssetExportHtml.pm): Make exporting assets as HTML work when an export with mobile styling has been selected. Fixes bug #12364 - http://git.io/agK1ZQ | 06:41 |
| CIA-148 | wrebuild: perldreamer wre7 * r7b6d0e0 / getsource.sh : Add download for PCRE (needed by apache). Fix unpack and install of APR. - http://git.io/0xPzqQ | 06:44 |
| CIA-148 | wrebuild: perldreamer wre7 * rf5375f8 / build.sh : Build pcre - http://git.io/QrtFoQ | 06:44 |
| CIA-148 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.10 * r45d7c55 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Do not show Tickets in the schedule screen when they are either in the Trash or in the Clipboard. Fixes bug #12345. - http://git.io/x3012Q | 06:59 |
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| CIA-148 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.10 * rfd4b75b / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Session.pm): Make sure that the session actually contains a slave connection before trying to use it. Fixes bug #12305 - http://git.io/fwkDow | 00:28 |
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| qwebirc74496 | hello @scrottie I've setup WRE-0.9.6 + WebGUI current beta (via git) and I'm getting an error running, mysql --password --user=webgui < share/create.sql Percona MySQL was installed per wre instructions. ERROR 1064 (42000) at line 18: You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'TYPE=InnoDB CHARSET=utf8' at line 14 | 19:11 |
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| @scrottie | "MySQL was installed per wre instructions."... the WRE should come with a version of MySQL. | 19:28 |
| @scrottie | you shouldn't have to install that. which exact line of which install document were you looking at when you did that? | 19:28 |
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| qwebirc74496 | Those instructions are from WebGUI 8 beta docs | 19:40 |
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| qwebirc74496 | when I try to upgrade, /data/WebGUI/sbin/wgd reset --upgrade, I get error... Running upgrade script... Error upgrading c58w8b.conf: DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Table 'c58w8b.webguiVersion' doesn't exist [for Statement "SELECT webguiVersion FROM webguiVersion"] | 20:02 |
| @scrottie | yes, that means that the database isnt loaded, which is consistent with the error you got when "mysql --password | 20:33 |
| @scrottie | +--user=webgui < share/create.sql" | 20:33 |
| @scrottie | failed | 20:33 |
| @scrottie | I'm only asking you questions so that I can answer yours. If you don't answer my questions, I can't answer yours. | 20:33 |
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| vanjwilson1 | I'm trying to rename a workflow activity I'm developing. I've changed the name property in the definition subroutine and the site's conf file, and restarted web and spectre, but it's still showing up under the old name. Now I can't delete it from a workflow through the admin console. Should I change the name back, delete it, and start from scratch, or is there a better way? | 20:51 |
| @scrottie | that doesn't sound like that would work | 20:55 |
| @scrottie | anyway, names for the things do get stored in the database | 20:55 |
| @scrottie | the name that goes into the config file has to match the filename | 20:56 |
| @scrottie | er... | 20:56 |
| @scrottie | eg, workflowActivities : { None : [ contains "WebGUI::Workflow::Activity::ArchiveOldThreads", | 20:57 |
| @scrottie | for example. | 20:57 |
| @scrottie | the name property would only be shown to people before they've added the workflow activity to a workflow, in the list of available activities | 20:58 |
| @scrottie | that's kind of a misfeature. it really needs to continue to show the name after they've added it. | 20:58 |
| @scrottie | select * from WorkflowActivity where className='WebGUI::Workflow::Activity::ExpireGroupings'; ... you could do that at the database prompt if the class name of the workflow activity was select * from WorkflowActivity where className='WebGUI::Workflow::Activity::ExpireGroupings', for example | 20:59 |
| @scrottie | then you could delete it directly from the database using whatever activityId that comes back with: delete from WorkflowActivity where activityId ='whatever' | 21:01 |
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| @scrottie | vanjwilson1, did you get all of that? | 21:12 |
| vanjwilson1 | @scrottie, Thanks for the help. I'm not sure I saw it all, because I had to restart (With 12.04, Ubuntu has finally reached parity with Windows--it crashes for no reason.) | 21:14 |
| @scrottie | "select * from WorkflowActivity where ..." was the last bit of it | 21:14 |
| @scrottie | that's too bad, re: Ubuntu. | 21:14 |
| vanjwilson1 | I found the WorkflowActivity entry. It has the old name in the table, but it points to the new name of the module. | 21:15 |
| @scrottie | the name shouldn't ever break anything. that's really just for display only. | 21:15 |
| vanjwilson1 | The problem is: it won't run now, and I can't delete it from, or edit it in its workflow anymore. | 21:16 |
| @scrottie | is it listed in the workflow view? | 21:16 |
| @scrottie | actually, the "then you could delete it directly from the database using whatever activityId that comes back with: delete from WorkflowActivity where activityId ='whatever'" bit was the last bit. | 21:17 |
| @scrottie | that's one way you can delete it directly from the database. | 21:17 |
| @scrottie | does it have a red X next to it in the workflow view? what happens when you click on it? | 21:17 |
| @scrottie | is there anything in the error log..? | 21:17 |
| vanjwilson1 | Ah ha! When I try to delete the activity from the workflow, I get: "ERROR - www.my-atg.com.conf - WebGUI::Workflow::Activity::new[350] - Could not load WebGUI::Workflow::Activity::AddAtgSite because Can't locate WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/AddAtgSite.pm in @INC (@INC contains: ..." | 21:25 |
| @scrottie | I wouldn't think that it would have to load the module to delete it. that's not optimal. | 21:25 |
| @scrottie | but it has the new name of the module and it can't load it? | 21:25 |
| vanjwilson1 | but its directory is in INC, and two of my other custom activities, which I can edit, are in that same directory | 21:26 |
| @scrottie | in INC? you mean in @INC? | 21:26 |
| vanjwilson1 | yes, "AddAtgSite" is the new name | 21:26 |
| @scrottie | in "in @INC (@INC contains: ..." ... is @INC what you expect it to be? does it include the directory that that .pm is in? | 21:27 |
| vanjwilson1 | yes, it has that directory, and it is loading two other custom Workflow Activities from that same directory | 21:28 |
| vanjwilson1 | I just added one of those other two Activities, configured it, and deleted it from the workflow, without any problems or error messages in the webgui.log | 21:31 |
| vanjwilson1 | Just filled out a Data Form which spawns one of those other two activities on submission, and it did its job perfectly. I must have really foobar | 21:38 |
| vanjwilson1 | 'ed that other activity though. | 21:38 |
| vanjwilson1 | Can I delete all entries relating to it from the database, and start over? | 21:39 |
| vanjwilson1 | Actually, I noticed that it's entry in the WorkflowActivity table still had it's old classname "AddAtgSite" instead of it's new one "MyAtgSite". I ran an UPDATE statement in mysql command-line util to fix that, and now it works again. | 22:22 |
| @scrottie | re: delete, yup, that's what I typed up for you above and tried to make sure you got =P | 22:24 |
| @scrottie | glad you got it. | 22:25 |
| @scrottie | er, glad you figured out the problem, I mean. | 22:25 |
| vanjwilson1 | @scrottie, Thanks for all your help. | 22:26 |
| @scrottie | oh, sure. | 22:26 |
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| sbaur | so I've just run into the problem in http://www.webgui.org/webgui/dev/discuss/expected-token-not-present-error-in-logs | 23:18 |
| sbaur | And even though I haven't been to the site with my browser in over a week and I wasn't happening then, it is now affecting my main browser, FF on Mac. To my knowledge, we are not doing anything special with cookies on the site. Any idea how to help apache not go down this particular cookie induced rabbit hole? | 23:20 |
| sbaur | Looks like I have 4 cookies set for the site. 1) wgSession, 2) __utma 3) __utmz 4) __atuvc | 23:22 |
| @scrottie | hmm. let me read that. | 23:23 |
| sbaur | Removing just the __atuvc cookie seems to have stopped the Internal server error | 23:23 |
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| @scrottie | from reading this, mod_perl is getting hung up on parsing cookies that aren't properly URL escaped. | 23:27 |
| @scrottie | that wouldn't be related to a browser, other than that browser gets one of these cookies set. | 23:28 |
| sbaur | from my reading on the net, the content of the cookie contains commas and that might be what's causing it | 23:28 |
| sbaur | looks like it's a google AddThis tracker | 23:28 |
| @scrottie | you said you're running into that problem. are you running into it with server side code you've written...? | 23:28 |
| sbaur | no not server side, perhaps google analytics | 23:28 |
| @scrottie | server side, but different server. I see. | 23:29 |
| sbaur | i'm not sure where the cookie is coming from yet | 23:29 |
| @scrottie | er, actually, you serve the startin snippet. | 23:29 |
| @scrottie | well. there are two things you could do, in some combination. | 23:29 |
| @scrottie | file a bug with the mod_perl guys asking them to handle non-RFC-compliant cookies more gracefully, or write some JS to fix up the cookie and escape it. | 23:30 |
| @scrottie | or fork mod_perl and fix it. or hire someone to. or file a bug with Google, if that's even possible. | 23:30 |
| sbaur | the second is more likely to fix my problem sometime this year | 23:30 |
| @scrottie | yeah. | 23:31 |
| sbaur | do you have any hints on how to observe what cookies are being set where? | 23:31 |
| sbaur | this is so not my area | 23:31 |
| @scrottie | I always have to refresh myself on JS when I step back into it. | 23:32 |
| @scrottie | I don't think you can hook into cookies being set, not unless you're writing a plugin for Mozilla or whatever that people install locally. | 23:32 |
| @scrottie | I'd suggest hooking into the various form submits on the page, but programatic ones (ones not done by way of users clicking on input elements inside form tags) wouldn't be covered. | 23:33 |
| @scrottie | doing a timeout to scan and check the cookies may not be quick enough and saps CPU. | 23:34 |
| sbaur | Thanks for the options scrottie, guess I have some research ahead of me... | 23:34 |
| @scrottie | sure thing. hopefully someone has more useful suggestions on JS than I have. | 23:35 |
| sbaur | I'm hoping to get rid of the AddThis box and then not have that problem on this site. But, that may be a pipedream :) | 23:36 |
| @scrottie | I live in fear that I'm accidentally going to click one of those one of these days. | 23:38 |
| @scrottie | I'm better with C than JS. If you get stuck, let me know, and I'll take a quick look at mod_perl and see if I can easily find a fix. | 23:39 |
| @scrottie | that assumes that you don't mind rebuilding your mod_perl ;) | 23:39 |
| sbaur | I may ask pD to rebuild mod_perl, as it's on a PB dedicated server :-) | 23:40 |
| @scrottie | ah, a coordinated effort. | 23:40 |
| @scrottie | grep -i cookie *.c in mod_perl-2.0.5/src/modules/perl hits on exactly one line | 23:44 |
| @scrottie | that's not encouraging | 23:44 |
| @scrottie | similar for xs/Apache2 | 23:45 |
| sbaur | no it's not | 23:45 |
| @scrottie | except, none | 23:45 |
| @scrottie | ugh. the perl modules get build programatically by parsing other goo. | 23:52 |
| @scrottie | so it's a meta bug. | 23:52 |
| sbaur | thanks for looking scrottie | 23:52 |
| @scrottie | I was honestly wondering why the Apache2:: perl API was so beyond useless. now I know. | 23:53 |
| sbaur | I'm definitely going to pursue the "let's not use this doodad" route first | 23:53 |
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| sbaur | I may have found a simple "solution" --http://support.addthis.com/customer/portal/questions/313880-atuvc-cookie-taking-over-our-site-s-source-tracking-functionality | 00:03 |
| @scrottie | heh, and that answer has a -3 rating | 00:04 |
| @scrottie | it *looks* plausible but I wonder if that actually works | 00:04 |
| @scrottie | or maybe people are doing it wrong | 00:05 |
| @scrottie | the AddThis docs may give more details on how to set up the config | 00:05 |
| sbaur | me too, but it sure looks nice | 00:05 |
| @scrottie | anyway, good find | 00:05 |
| haarg | it's not a mod_perl bug, it's an apreq2 bug | 00:12 |
| sbaur | so even harder to fix? | 00:13 |
| haarg | not harder, but the author refuses to | 00:14 |
| haarg | http://grokbase.com/t/apache/apreq-dev/092eyvpxqa/cookie-parsing-errors-conflicting-information-expected-token-not-present | 00:14 |
| haarg | when i had this issue, the solution i came up with was really horrible | 00:15 |
| sbaur | I'm considering "delete the cookie" as a solution | 00:15 |
| haarg | part of the problem with the cookies is that i don't believe you can delete them using an http response | 00:16 |
| haarg | javascript seems to be the only way | 00:16 |
| haarg | if i'm remembering correctly at least | 00:16 |
| haarg | the solution i used when i ran into this was really horrible | 00:17 |
| @scrottie | taking a wild guess here, the AddThis code probably sets them using JS. | 00:17 |
| haarg | almost certainly | 00:17 |
| @scrottie | otherwise, they wouldn't be being sent to the webgui. | 00:17 |
| haarg | i don't think you can create a cookie like that with an http header | 00:17 |
| haarg | detected the cookie with mod_rewrite rule, redirected the user to a static html page that had some javascript that removed the cookie then redirected them back | 00:18 |
| sbaur | the version we are using is at view-source:http://s7.addthis.com/js/250/addthis_widget.js%23pubid=ra-4e4c226d7d1422df | 00:18 |
| sbaur | but i do not understand JS well enough to follow it | 00:18 |
| haarg | it was really nasty, but you can't do anything with the cookie in the mod_perl server because it kills the request before it gets to webgui | 00:19 |
| sbaur | thanks for that bit of info haarg, that will probably save me many hours of frustration | 00:19 |
| sbaur | can you share your rewrite rule for detecting the cookie? | 00:19 |
| haarg | i'd have to recreate it | 00:20 |
| sbaur | then I can probably research it | 00:21 |
| haarg | you can match on %{HTTP_COOKIE} in RewriteCond though | 00:21 |
| sbaur | excellent | 00:21 |
| sbaur | Looks like i definitely need to get a dev version of this site up and running :-) | 00:21 |
| haarg | it seems like there should be a better way to delete the cookie or at least prevent mod_proxy from sending it to the mod_perl server, but i'm not seeing any way :/ | 00:27 |
| * scrottie coughs | 00:45 | |
| @scrottie | upgrade to 8 | 00:45 |
| sbaur | If there is a way for a 7.6 -> 8 single jump upgrade at some point in future, I'll be very down with that | 00:46 |
| sbaur | and the sky is a very pretty shade in my world, before you ask :D | 00:46 |
| haarg | scrottie: aye. | 00:48 |
| haarg | alternatively, write a plack proxy that strips out the offending cookie :B | 00:48 |
| @scrottie | Any problem can be solved with an additional layer of indirection, except for the problem of too many layers of indirection. | 00:50 |
| @scrottie | Also, Vent Certf has said, "Be conservative in what you emit and liberal in what you accept". Considering how many RFCs he authored, this might as well be an Internet standard. | 00:50 |
| @scrottie | er, Vint Cerf. | 00:51 |
| * scrottie trips and falls on his keybaord | 00:51 | |
| haarg | it makes perfect sense to reject a malformed cookie, but that's reject as in not parse | 01:59 |
| haarg | throwing an internal server error for things the server (or user) doesn't have full control over is just idiocy | 02:00 |
| sbaur | AddThis says they are about to fix their stuff so they no longer make malformed cookies. In the meantime we've removed some of their code. Hopefully that will be enough workaround to get us through this | 02:02 |
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