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| CIA-82 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r3c44dae / (3 files in 3 dirs): Internationalize a label in the My Purchases account plugin template. Fixes bug #12241 - http://git.io/5jKytQ | 02:51 |
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| SquOnk | Greetings. | 15:42 |
| +BartJol | hey | 15:43 |
| SquOnk | BartJol: Hi there. So, 7.10 is stable? | 15:43 |
| SquOnk | BartJol: Will there be a 7.11? | 15:43 |
| +BartJol | well 7.10 seems to be declared stable yes | 15:44 |
| +BartJol | I think that after 7.10 the transition to 8 should be made | 15:44 |
| SquOnk | BartJol: Good. | 15:44 |
| +BartJol | I guess 8 is beta now (or very soon will be) | 15:45 |
| SquOnk | BartJol: I have to transition the Debian package from 7.9.34 to 7.10.22 | 15:45 |
| +BartJol | ah | 15:45 |
| +BartJol | great | 15:45 |
| SquOnk | BartJol: I haven't seend (or been very stupid to find) a webgui-7.10 branch in Git | 15:45 |
| SquOnk | seen | 15:45 |
| +BartJol | lemme have a look | 15:45 |
| +BartJol | I guess that is the master branch then | 15:46 |
| SquOnk | Looks like it. | 15:47 |
| +BartJol | which sounds almost logical | 15:47 |
| +BartJol | i believe that master was the dev normally | 15:50 |
| SquOnk | BartJol: Exactly. I tracked webgui-7.9 and master. Now I see only master having changes, but no webgui-7.10 branch. | 15:50 |
| +BartJol | but I don't follow the github development very intensively | 15:50 |
| SDuensin | Greetings. | 17:01 |
| SquOnk | SDuensin: Hi there | 17:07 |
| SDuensin | Hey SquOnk | 17:09 |
| * SDuensin has been a professional lurker around here lately. | 17:09 | |
| SquOnk | Heh | 17:14 |
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| elnino | Hi!!!!! I'm back! | 17:49 |
| elnino | for a short while, that is. | 17:49 |
| elnino | I'm looking for somethign that scrolls like what is seen on the right column of www.securitycomplianceassociates.com | 17:49 |
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| elnino | I thought abou tthe carousell, but you manually have to feed it and I don't recall it scrolling automatically. | 17:50 |
| elnino | I'm falling short on being able to find anything in the bazzaar, but I'm not quite sure what I should search for. what are those things called? | 17:50 |
| elnino | does anyone know of one in existance for webgui? otherwise I 'll probably be writeing one soon. | 17:50 |
| elnino | but before I do that, Is the CS going away? because that is what I would have initially feed it. | 17:51 |
| +danny_mk | Hello everyone, I am using 7.10.22-stable I just noticed the site was slowing down a bit and under stats "Active Sessions:555844" and climbing, this does not seem normal does it? | 17:51 |
| SquOnk | Haven't tried 7.10 yet, sorry. | 17:58 |
| +danny_mk | darnit | 17:59 |
| +danny_mk | OK, back down to: "Active Sessions:469" | 17:59 |
| elnino | you may have been in the middle of a crawl.- just a thought. Not really sure how many active sessions a crawl from a search engine would cause. | 18:00 |
| +danny_mk | could have been, the site is performing much better now | 18:02 |
| +danny_mk | darn meetings...argghhhh.. | 18:13 |
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| * scrottie waves | 18:33 | |
| * SquOnk surfs | 18:34 | |
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| vanjwilson | @scrottie Thanks for the help yesterday on exporting my site to production server (turned out that I had forgotten to install TemplateToolkit on the production Perl) | 20:21 |
| @scrottie | ah, simple fix. good. sure, no problem. | 20:22 |
| vanjwilson | Has anyone ever had to run legacy CGI scripts side-by-side with WebGUI? I need to run an old script to see how the customer used to do something, and when I change the PassThru directory to point to the directory the script is in, I can see the HTML page, but I just get the text of an internal page that's totally in Perl with a .cgi extension. | 20:24 |
| @scrottie | you need to set the ExecCGI option in the httpd.conf for that directory | 20:26 |
| @scrottie | it should work. I'm pretty sure I've heard reports of people mixing and matching WebGUI and CGIs, and I know I've mixed and matched CGIs and other mod_perl apps | 20:26 |
| vanjwilson | Thanks, I actually think I changed extrasPath to match that directory initially, but I should changed passthruurls. Can I add the ExecCGI option to the <url>.modperl, instead of the main "modperl.conf" file? | 20:33 |
| @scrottie | should be able to, yup. | 20:48 |
| ckotil | yeah, we do it. | 20:55 |
| vanjwilson | I'm having trouble getting the directory to show up. I've tried putting an Alias line in <url>.modperl and in the "modperl.conf" file, and adding <Directory> and <Location> directives, but no luck. I used "SetHandler None" and "Option ExecCGI" in the <Location> directive, but I can't even get it to show me the index.html file. | 21:25 |
| @scrottie | I think it has to be Option +ExecCGI | 21:26 |
| @scrottie | I'd have to Google to find an example. | 21:27 |
| ckotil | maybe add a new urlHandler in your webgui config? | 21:28 |
| ckotil | "^/htcheck" : "WebGUI::URL::PassThru" | 21:28 |
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| vanjwilson | @ckotil Your suggestion worked. My browser now displays the index.html file, but when I click the link to the "oldapp.cgi" script, I just get the source code, so the PassThru handler must be disabling CGI execution | 21:41 |
| ckotil | yeah, now you need to setup the Location direective in apache with a +ExecCGI | 21:48 |
| ckotil | and a cgi handler if it doesnt already exist | 21:48 |
| vanjwilson | Tried various <Location> and <Directory> directives, lost access again, and now I can't get the index.html page to come back up | 22:08 |
| vanjwilson | correction, no default doc set in that directory, but still source code | 22:08 |
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| vanjwilson | taking a break for now, Alias is required to get the passthru to work, but no combination for AddHandler, +ExecCGI, etc. will get the script to execute (there is a shebang line to system's perl) | 22:25 |
| @scrottie | there might be a #apache that is better equiped to support the thing. | 22:33 |
| @scrottie | as it is, I couldn't reliably tell you how to make it work. | 22:33 |
| elnino | I'm looking for something that scrolls like what is seen on the right column of www.securitycomplianceassociates.com. I thought about the carousell, but you manually have to feed it and I don't recall it scrolling automatically. I searched the bazaar, but I'm not quite sure that that is called. I haven't found anything. Does anyone know of one in existance for webgui? otherwise I can write one and submit it. But it would be nice to give i | 23:19 |
| elnino | t a proper name. Then the question is, is the CS going away? it seems to be the most natural data source for such widget. | 23:19 |
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| vanjwilson | @elnino You might look at a couple of jQuery plugins: jCarousel and jCarousel Lite | 23:52 |
| elnino | ok. Thanks! | 23:52 |
| elnino | so is "carousel" what that is typically called? I've heard of "ticker" and "slideshow" pretty much the same thing? | 23:53 |
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| elnino | I have a data form. Is there a way to put text just above the submit button? | 00:54 |
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| elnino | hi. I do not have source code, but they are asking me which file they need to modify to change the dataform submit button's text. Anyone know what file that may be? Thanks! | 04:45 |
| elnino | s/I do not have/I do not have access to the/ | 04:45 |
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| SDuensin | FrIdAy! | 16:38 |
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| xootom | hi, any debian guys around? | 17:13 |
| +BartJol | well, I use it daily | 17:25 |
| +BartJol | but if your looking for the webgui package distribution, you'll have to connect to squonk | 17:26 |
| +BartJol | who isn't online' | 17:26 |
| xootom | ahh just trying to install after pinning squeeze & sid as per wiki but dependencies are all broken | 17:27 |
| +BartJol | ah, I only installed it on squeeze from native debian packes | 17:27 |
| +BartJol | and 5-6 from cpan | 17:28 |
| xootom | webgui's in sid though isn't it? | 17:28 |
| +BartJol | I believe so | 17:28 |
| +BartJol | haven't used sid | 17:28 |
| xootom | so you didnt install via repositories? | 17:29 |
| +BartJol | nope | 17:29 |
| +BartJol | just made the list of perl dependancies | 17:30 |
| +BartJol | and installed those | 17:30 |
| xootom | how do you handle webgui updates? | 17:30 |
| +BartJol | via teh update script in /data/WebGUI/sbin | 17:31 |
| xootom | ah so you're installing in /data still? | 17:31 |
| +BartJol | yeah | 17:31 |
| +BartJol | but without wre | 17:31 |
| +BartJol | \/data is just a name | 17:32 |
| xootom | i was just wondering when you're using debian from the repositories and it's spread out over /usr /var etc, how the upgrade is handled | 17:42 |
| +BartJol | ah | 17:44 |
| +BartJol | I suppose there should be an update script | 17:45 |
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| CIA-82 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * ra160946 / etc/WebGUI.conf.original : Add Twitter login to the default WebGUI configuration file. - http://git.io/dfRNDQ | 19:33 |
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| @scrottie | xootom, WebGUI's upgrade scripts are mostly concerned with WebGUI's own config file and the database (assets, etc). checkEnvironment.pl tries to use 'cpan' to install modules as necessary. otherwise, it's just kind of assumed that your perl, mysql, etc are all new enough, and they don't have to be especially new. | 21:57 |
| @scrottie | as usual, not sure if I actually answered the question. | 21:57 |
| xootom | It's ok I get what you mean. I've been trying a fresh install on a debian 6 box, and had to change to sid or it wouldn't install any of the right dependencies. Then doing a test-environment it did try installing perl modules using cpan but this didn't work, but I found the right packages in the repository. | 22:08 |
| xootom | Except for one strange one... "Checking for module HTML::Template: 2.10 is installed, but we need at least 2.9, do you want to upgrade it now? {y|n} [y]" | 22:08 |
| xootom | have got it running a site migrated from a box running wre. It seems to run even though Apache startup said fail... and there's a lot of errors in the logs. | 22:09 |
| xootom | failing to resolve handler Apache2 SizeLimit | 22:12 |
| xootom | Can't locate JSON/PP.pm in @INC | 22:12 |
| @scrottie | whether Perl modules install cleanly depends on the weather. | 22:14 |
| @scrottie | run 'cpan JSON::PP' at the command shell. | 22:15 |
| @scrottie | a lot of people, myself included, have been having trouble installing ImageMagick. | 22:15 |
| @scrottie | I cannot for the life of me get it to go on Debian sid. | 22:15 |
| @scrottie | and looking through it, it is apparently completely broken. | 22:16 |
| @scrottie | the last time I did a source install, I installed cpanm (from http://cpanmin.us) and used it to install a lot of things the 'cpan' shell couldn't, and when it failed, I read its log and either manually installed dependencies that weren't automatically installed, forced installs, or fixed failures to get things to install. | 22:17 |
| xootom | after installing build-essential cpan's installed JSON::PP ... wonder why testenvironment doesn't pick up it's missing | 22:17 |
| @scrottie | someone may have forgot to add it if WebGUI uses it directly, or else it might be the dep of something else that forgets to mention that it is a dep | 22:17 |
| @scrottie | /data/WebGUI7/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/Test.pm uses JSON::PP. | 22:19 |
| xootom | failed to resolve handler `Apache2::SizeLimit': Can't locate Apache/SizeLimit/Core.pm | 22:19 |
| xootom | says Apache2::SizeLimit is up to date 0.95 | 22:20 |
| @scrottie | alright, is your mod_perl built and linked against the same version of perl you've been installing things on and running testEnvironment.pl with? | 22:20 |
| CIA-82 | webgui: Scott Walters master * rf4a8aad / sbin/testEnvironment.pl : WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/Test.pm uses JSON::PP - http://git.io/3XPqjw | 22:21 |
| xootom | yeah added sid to apt sources, upgraded, installed webgui package.. all from repository | 22:21 |
| @scrottie | when you start mod_perl (eg with apachectl or running httpd directly), do you have PERL5LIB set to point at /data/WebGUI/lib? this is kind of a trick question. | 22:22 |
| xootom | probably not | 22:23 |
| xootom | it's not in the path now | 22:23 |
| @scrottie | good. | 22:23 |
| @scrottie | if you do have it set, for some reason that's unclear to me, mod_perl gets very confused and tries to load things twice and fails, leaving a royal mess in memory | 22:24 |
| @scrottie | usually when mod_perl can't find Apache modules, that's the problem. | 22:24 |
| @scrottie | so, hrm. | 22:24 |
| @scrottie | how did you come about your httpd.conf? | 22:28 |
| @scrottie | there's the juicy bits of mine... https://gist.github.com/1189620 | 22:29 |
| @scrottie | hrm, I seem to be using Apache2::SizeLimit | 22:30 |
| xootom | just a slight modification to the default packaged one git://gist.github.com/1189647.git | 22:35 |
| xootom | https://gist.github.com/1189647 | 22:35 |
| @scrottie | I haven't tried it, but legand has it that there are problems with trying to run WebGUI out of a directory other than /data | 22:40 |
| @scrottie | doesn't seem like it would cause this problem though. mod_perl should always be able to find the Apache modules. | 22:40 |
| xootom | that'd mean the whole way of installing from the sid repository was broken though wouldn't it | 22:41 |
| @scrottie | oh, you're using Debian's WebGUI package? | 22:41 |
| xootom | yep | 22:41 |
| @scrottie | what version of WebGUI is that? | 22:41 |
| xootom | 7.9.34 | 22:41 |
| @scrottie | huh | 22:41 |
| @scrottie | so someone went and updated it | 22:41 |
| @scrottie | craziness | 22:42 |
| xootom | isn't it a recommended way of using webgui | 22:42 |
| @scrottie | last I heard, the thing was pretty out of date, that and I don't have any experience with using it. that's all. | 22:42 |
| xootom | i tried wre but just couldn't get everything going with 64bit machines | 22:42 |
| xootom | that's strange just noticed there's no advisary note on webgui.org downloads about 7.9.34 | 22:43 |
| @scrottie | eek, yeah, no | 22:44 |
| @scrottie | I did that once. wre on a 64 bit machine really requires monkeying around with perl modules and perl module build systems. not recommended. | 22:44 |
| @scrottie | though I thought preaction kicked out a 64 bit wre at some point. | 22:44 |
| xootom | can't see one | 22:45 |
| xootom | quite like the idea of using native packages though, with apache and mysql installed in the 'right places' etc. | 22:45 |
| @scrottie | try to pull out the WebGUI specific stuff from the httpd.conf and just try to get mod_perl running at all, just to try to track down the problem? | 22:45 |
| @scrottie | I'm still guessing that it's some mod_perl thing. | 22:46 |
| xootom | it kind of is working now i've got the json stuff installed. just the log filling with the apache sizelimit stuff | 22:47 |
| @scrottie | maybe the Debian package missed that one Core.pm file... | 22:48 |
| @scrottie | by mistake. | 22:48 |
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| xootom | ah ha Apache::SizeLimit::Core is another package | 23:08 |
| xootom | had to manually create /usr/include/apache2 then it installed... looks to have got rid of the error messages in the log | 23:10 |
| xootom | still says webgui failed to start when i restart apache but it seems to be ok in fact | 23:10 |
| @scrottie | what are you restarting it with? wreservice.pl --restart reports failures when it in fact works on a lot of servers | 23:13 |
| @scrottie | and sometimes it correctly reports failure but wereserivce.pl --start then works | 23:13 |
| xootom | service apache2 start | 23:14 |
| xootom | says: Starting WebGUI 7.9.34 Loading webgui.conf Action 'start' failed. The Apache error log may have more information. failed! | 23:15 |
| @scrottie | yeah, dunno. | 23:16 |
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| SquOnk | Greetings. | 17:16 |
| SquOnk | Anyone around for a question? | 17:16 |
| scrottie | depends on the question. | 17:18 |
| SquOnk | scrottie: Heh | 17:18 |
| SquOnk | When I create a new Article (or Poll, or whatever) a set of "default" templates is selected in the Display tab. What's the criteria for that selection? | 17:19 |
| SquOnk | If I just create an Article on some parts of the site, I see different templates being selected. That's why I ask. | 17:19 |
| scrottie | a lot of assets hard-code the assetIds of the templates they use. a lot of other assets pull them from settings. | 17:20 |
| scrottie | one sec. | 17:20 |
| SquOnk | Say I create an Article under Root in the Asset Manager, then the three templates come up as 'Fail Safe', but if I create the same Article under Root -> Home -> ... -> whatever, I end up having different Templates selected. | 17:20 |
| SquOnk | Note I'm not using Prototypes. | 17:20 |
| SquOnk | I just wonder how the default templates get selected. | 17:21 |
| scrottie | looking at Article, the templateId should default to PBtmpl0000000000000002 | 17:21 |
| scrottie | for what you're describing, there might be something else going on... which asset exactly did you add? | 17:21 |
| SquOnk | I saw the code, but the default changes depending where I create the object. | 17:22 |
| scrottie | hrm. | 17:22 |
| SquOnk | First, I went to Root -> not-home. Then I clicked on Article, and got a new empty article with its three templates being 'Fail safe' | 17:22 |
| scrottie | just the style template? | 17:23 |
| scrottie | oh, hmm. | 17:23 |
| SquOnk | Then, I wen to Root -> home -> (a couple of levels in). Then I clicked on Article, and got a new empty article with its three templates being different. | 17:23 |
| SquOnk | By different I mean not 'Fail Safe' but other available templates in the installation. | 17:23 |
| scrottie | as far as I know, the only templates it should inherit from its parent (the asset it is added to) are style and printable style (plus permissions and ownership) | 17:24 |
| SquOnk | scrottie: Aha, that would make sense. | 17:24 |
| scrottie | maybe the asset manager is doing something else too... | 17:25 |
| SquOnk | scrottie: So a new contained object (say, Article) should inherit is container's (say, Page Layout) style and printable template. | 17:25 |
| SquOnk | Right? | 17:25 |
| SquOnk | its container's | 17:25 |
| scrottie | er, the asset manager should just be linking to ?func=add&className=whatever | 17:25 |
| scrottie | SquOnk, correct | 17:26 |
| scrottie | whatever it is added to, which is generally the asset behind the current url... /foo/bar?func=add&className=Wobject::Article would add an Article below whatever asset is at /foo/bar | 17:26 |
| SquOnk | scrottie: How about the mobile style template, is that inherited too? | 17:27 |
| scrottie | I don't see any code in the assetmanager that would do what you're describing, but that of course doesn't mean that there isn't code somewhere doing that. there are lots of places for things to hide in there... | 17:27 |
| scrottie | hrm, not that I know of. | 17:27 |
| scrottie | check out www_add around line 2910 of lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm | 17:28 |
| SquOnk | scrottie: Excellent! | 17:29 |
| scrottie | on the other hand, that does let you pass in a 'prototype' paramter to point to an asset to copy stuff from. when click to add an asset in the asset manager, what does it come up with for a GET string/URL? | 17:29 |
| SquOnk | It doesn't inherit the mobile style. | 17:30 |
| SquOnk | (the code, I mean) | 17:30 |
| SquOnk | Sounds like a bug, doesn't it? | 17:32 |
| scrottie | vaguely, yeah. really, it would be nice if this were generalized, but it can't be, at least not in 7, because that would break things. | 17:33 |
| scrottie | really, each property should set a flag if it shouldn't be inherited by new children for some reason, so that title menuTitle url isPrototype isPackage would have those flags set, plus whatever odd else | 17:34 |
| scrottie | but you're right, it should probably be copying that one as well... even though any hard-coded list is always going to be a step out of pace with reality | 17:36 |
| SquOnk | I'm going to file it as a bug. | 17:39 |
| scrottie | mobilestyle may be on its last legs anyway... | 17:40 |
| scrottie | small devices have big screens and feature complete browsers now days | 17:40 |
| SquOnk | scrottie: Agreed | 17:41 |
| SquOnk | scrottie: But, if the display properties are being inherited, then *all* must be inherited :) | 17:41 |
| scrottie | I wonder how bad things would break if it attempted to inherit everything matching m/TemplateId$/ | 17:45 |
| SquOnk | scrottie: He | 17:46 |
| SquOnk | BTW, no more 7.9, right? | 17:46 |
| SquOnk | 7.10 is stable now. | 17:46 |
| scrottie | it is!? | 17:46 |
| SquOnk | scrottie: Looks like that to me | 17:47 |
| scrottie | alright, nice. | 17:47 |
| scrottie | I'm not very involved in the release process | 17:47 |
| SquOnk | The tarball says 7.10.22-stable so I figure it is. | 17:47 |
| scrottie | mostly I've got my eyes on 8, but time to work on it comes in fits and bursts | 17:48 |
| xootom | squonk, are you the man to help with debian? :) | 18:15 |
| SquOnk | xootom: So they say :) | 18:17 |
| SquOnk | xootom: How can I help? | 18:18 |
| xootom | I'm migrating from an old server running wre (32bit redhat) to some cloud servers running debian squeeze x64 | 18:18 |
| SquOnk | xootom: Do you have custom code? | 18:19 |
| xootom | first thing was that I got some dependency problems if I pin squeeze and try installing webgui from sid, i could only install if i lost the pinning preferences | 18:19 |
| SquOnk | xootom: Yes, that happens because Sid is already on perl 5.14 | 18:19 |
| xootom | not on this server | 18:19 |
| SquOnk | xootom: You have two options | 18:19 |
| SquOnk | 1) Create custom packages for the missing dependencies. In order to do that, you can use dh-make-perl | 18:20 |
| SquOnk | 2) Use snapshot.debian.org to get packages from Sid just before it switched to 5.14. I think the only package you need is libdigest-jhash-perl 0.06-1 | 18:21 |
| SquOnk | xootom: If you have custom code, place it in /usr/local/share/webgui. That way, it will not break during upgrades. | 18:24 |
| SquOnk | xootom: What version are you migrating from? | 18:24 |
| xootom | yes i had a go with custom code like that it works really well | 18:25 |
| xootom | it's 7.9.34 | 18:25 |
| SquOnk | xootom: Good. I'm working on the 7.10.22 package for Debian. I hope to have it ready by the end of the week. | 18:25 |
| xootom | brill, sounds good :) | 18:26 |
| xootom | i'm struggling a bit with multiple sites, getting the virtual hosts and webgui configs in sync with the new paths | 18:26 |
| SquOnk | xootom: Ah, that gets a bit of time to get used to. | 18:26 |
| xootom | what's /var/lib/webgui/exports used for? | 18:27 |
| SquOnk | xootom: For when you do exports :) | 18:27 |
| xootom | of packages? :) do i need one for each site? | 18:28 |
| xootom | or is it like a temp directory | 18:28 |
| SquOnk | xootom: It's like a temp directory. | 18:30 |
| xootom | Thanks. I guess i need to create a sym link from /etc/apache2/sites-enabled to /etc/webgui/sites and put virtualhost blocks in there for each site | 18:31 |
| SquOnk | xootom: Did you read README.Debian in /usr/share/doc/webgui? | 18:32 |
| xootom | yes I followed that but didn't see anything on going from one site to many? | 18:32 |
| SquOnk | xootom: Good. No, there's nothing written about that yet, sorry. | 18:32 |
| SquOnk | xootom: If you collect notes on that, and have suggestions on how to improve the package, please let me know. | 18:33 |
| SquOnk | xootom: My only idea on multiple sites, so far, is to have an /etc/webgui/sites.d to hold each of the .conf files, and /etc/webgui/apache.d to hold each of the apache configs. | 18:34 |
| SquOnk | xootom: Then, a master webgui.conf and a master apache.config that would include whatever is in the *.d directories. | 18:34 |
| SquOnk | xootom: That way, the main webgui.conf and apache.config will persist between upgrades, and admin customizations will be kept. | 18:35 |
| SquOnk | xootom: That way the package adheres strictly to Debian's Policy :) | 18:35 |
| xootom | where's the best place to put the old /data/domains? i've put it as /var/lib/webgui/domains/xxx/public/uploads etc | 18:35 |
| SquOnk | xootom: I'd do it that way. | 18:36 |
| xootom | but the site i'm trying it with first isn't loading half of its images from its /uploads/... some working some not | 18:36 |
| xootom | ah found it some of them have www and some dont | 18:46 |
| xootom | SquOnk: when I restart apache it always says Action 'start' failed. The apache error log may have more information. failed! | 18:52 |
| xootom | it is running though | 18:52 |
| SquOnk | xootom: That could be because Apache takes a long time to reload. The init script has a small timeout. | 18:54 |
| xootom | ah no problem | 18:55 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 16:51 |
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| elnino | help!! anyone here??? | 17:56 |
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| elnino | in the dataform template, is there a way to check if the field.value is empty? | 18:04 |
| elnino | <tmpl_if foo> should do it?? | 18:07 |
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| +danny_mk | This error is driving me crazy, I know the WSClient module was removed in a previous version but the log keeps on reporting this problem: http://pastebin.com/t1MZSLsP | 19:22 |
| +danny_mk | that module is obviously referenced somewhere, however I can't find it being used anywhere in the WebGUI modules under WebGUI/lib/... | 19:23 |
| scrottie | delete from WorkflowInstance where className='WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::WSClient'; | 19:28 |
| scrottie | I think. | 19:28 |
| scrottie | the upgrade script should have dealt with that but apparently didn't...? | 19:30 |
| +danny_mk | Query OK, 0 rows affected (0.00 sec) | 19:33 |
| scrottie | delete from WorkflowActivity where className='WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::WSClient'; | 19:34 |
| scrottie | hopefully that'll come up with at least 1 rows affected. | 19:34 |
| +danny_mk | Query OK, 0 rows affected (0.00 sec) | 19:35 |
| +danny_mk | no dice | 19:35 |
| scrottie | WorkflowSchedule...? | 19:36 |
| scrottie | that's the last of the workflow related tables that reference a className. | 19:36 |
| +danny_mk | Query OK, 0 rows affected (0.00 sec) | 19:37 |
| +danny_mk | no dice | 19:37 |
| +danny_mk | damint, I just deleted every row from my workflowschedule | 19:39 |
| scrottie | have a backup of the database? | 19:40 |
| scrottie | should be able to reload just that one table if so. | 19:40 |
| +danny_mk | yes, I will put them back | 19:40 |
| scrottie | and yeah, that's really easy to do... to forget the where clause | 19:41 |
| +danny_mk | OK, got them back | 19:45 |
| +danny_mk | You know, that WSClient error only occurs when I run the "Weekly maintenance..." workflow | 19:59 |
| scrottie | either that WSClient module is referenced from the database or the code base... | 20:01 |
| scrottie | you said you ack'd the code and came up dry? | 20:01 |
| +danny_mk | not in the codebase I did "find . -exec grep -il WSClient {} \;" from /data/WebGUI and my private lib directories, did not find it anywhere | 20:01 |
| +danny_mk | it has to be from the database | 20:02 |
| scrottie | alright. I assumed a workflow was set up for it. I'm not familiar with that class... but it seems like the old-asset-cleanup is trying to look at or remove an asset that uses it... so...: | 20:02 |
| scrottie | select assetId from asset where className='WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::WSClient'; | 20:03 |
| scrottie | let me know if that comes up with something. | 20:03 |
| +danny_mk | yup: TAYf6sA6e0e3IsLdzpixpw | 20:04 |
| scrottie | okay. delete from asset where assetId='TAYf6sA6e0e3IsLdzpixpw'; delete from assetData where assetId='TAYf6sA6e0e3IsLdzpixpw'; delete from Wobject where assetId='TAYf6sA6e0e3IsLdzpixpw; drop table WSClient; | 20:07 |
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| +danny_mk | done | 20:10 |
| +danny_mk | restarting site now | 20:10 |
| +danny_mk | alright, looks like error is gone. Ran the "weekly maint..." manually and the error is no longer in the log. | 20:12 |
| +danny_mk | Thank you for your help. | 20:12 |
| scrottie | sure. you're welcome. | 20:14 |
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| SquOnk | Greetings. | 23:00 |
| CIA-82 | webgui: Ernesto Hernández-Novich master * r70022f1 / sbin/userImport.pl : Fixed typo in userImport POD - http://git.io/TbhX_Q | 23:01 |
| SquOnk | preaction: I just fixed a typo (separated instead of seperated) | 23:02 |
| SquOnk | preaction: Does that require a changelog entry? | 23:02 |
| SquOnk | I also think the copyright dates should be updated (docs/legal.txt) but that's a change PlainBlack should make. | 23:04 |
| scrottie | re: changelog, I wouldn't bother | 23:04 |
| scrottie | re: copyrights, yeah, that's absolutely typical =P | 23:05 |
| SquOnk | scrottie: LOL | 23:05 |
| SquOnk | scrottie: It just needs a 2011 instead of 2009 :) | 23:05 |
| scrottie | I'll try to remember to update those the first time I actually make changes in a file. | 23:05 |
| SquOnk | scrottie: I'm updating the Debian package to 7.10 so I have to *thoroughly* review copyright dates and stuff like that. | 23:06 |
| scrottie | with copyright being a billion years plus the life of the corporation that owns the author, it doesn't matter too much. | 23:06 |
| scrottie | ah, in that case, let me know if there's anything in particular I can do to help. | 23:06 |
| scrottie | and it's *awesome* that you're updating Debian packages. | 23:06 |
| SquOnk | scrottie: Well, just put 2011 instead of 2009 in docs/legal.txt | 23:07 |
| scrottie | it came to my attention the other day by way of the peanut gallery that the Debian package is now a recent version of WebGUI. was this your doing? | 23:07 |
| SquOnk | scrottie: It always is :) | 23:07 |
| SquOnk | scrottie: The current Debian package sports 7.9.34 and I'm just updating to 7.10.22 | 23:07 |
| SquOnk | scrottie: My sponsor usually uploads the package the same day I update it. For the stable releases, that means the same day you guys release. | 23:08 |
| SquOnk | scrottie: (I only package stable releases) | 23:08 |
| scrottie | sounds like you're due for a vacation here, with the WebGUI 7 -> 8 limbo | 23:09 |
| SquOnk | scrottie: Once I get 7.10 packaged, the updates are really a breeze. | 23:10 |
| CIA-82 | webgui: Scott Walters master * r795b7d6 / docs/legal.txt : | 23:10 |
| CIA-82 | webgui: Updated copyright date in docs/legal.txt to 2011. At least *some* changes have | 23:10 |
| CIA-82 | webgui: been made to the project this year (cough). - http://git.io/Z9xhHQ | 23:10 |
| SquOnk | LOL @ changelog | 23:10 |
| SquOnk | scrottie: I really need some bugs fixed, and they apply to 7.10 | 23:10 |
| scrottie | alright. which? | 23:10 |
| SquOnk | scrottie: I sent a patch for a bug today. | 23:10 |
| SquOnk | scrottie: 12246 | 23:11 |
| SquOnk | (that's the one I sent a patch for today) | 23:11 |
| scrottie | as far as a release of 7.10, you'll have to talk to perlDreamer. I think he's the only one who knows the whole process right now. | 23:11 |
| scrottie | github pull request? | 23:11 |
| scrottie | or attachment to the ticket...? let's see | 23:11 |
| SquOnk | scrottie: Oh, I didn't patch my Git repo | 23:11 |
| SquOnk | scrottie: It's attached, yes. | 23:11 |
| SquOnk | scrottie: 12217 is easy too. | 23:11 |
| SquOnk | scrottie: But 12176 is the one I *really* want fixed. | 23:12 |
| scrottie | oh man. you actually care about mobileTemplateId. | 23:13 |
| scrottie | alright... | 23:13 |
| scrottie | ah, 12176 is the one I was trying to pawn off on perlDreamer. no word from him? | 23:15 |
| scrottie | I can look into it but I need to wrap up one other bug first... Using Basic Auth with WebGUI (#12198) | 23:15 |
| scrottie | does it make sense to inherit mobileTemplateId as well as mobileStyleTemplateId? I think that it doesn't. if you add a WikiPage to a Wiki, for example, the WikiPage does not want to use the same template as the Wiki. | 23:17 |
| scrottie | but I'm happy to be corrected. | 23:17 |
| SquOnk | scrottie: See, the WiKi is the only case I'm not sure of either :) | 23:18 |
| SquOnk | scrottie: perlDreamer hasn't said more about it that what's written in the ticket. | 23:18 |
| scrottie | I think that in general, child assets are going to need to use their default templates for things other than style. style can be inherited, but the main templates are very specific to the asset in question. | 23:19 |
| SquOnk | scrottie: FTR, my *customer* does care. I've tried to educate them on using elastic CSS things that work fine in any browser but hey, it's their darn newspaper. | 23:19 |
| scrottie | sorry, care about what/which? | 23:20 |
| SquOnk | scrottie: mobile styles | 23:20 |
| scrottie | that's fine. but I want to make sure this is correct before I apply it, and I have doubts about the correctness of inheriting mobileTemplateId from the parent asset. | 23:20 |
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| scrottie | it looks like only Layout uses it, and you shouldn't be adding a Layout to a Layout anyway. permission to modify this patch to only inherit mobileStyleTemplateId? | 23:21 |
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| SquOnk | scrottie: If that's the way to go, that's the way to go. | 23:25 |
| SquOnk | scrottie: But, I've added Page Layout below Page Layouts. | 23:26 |
| SquOnk | scrottie: So, I think that applies to. | 23:26 |
| SquOnk | scrottie: In fact, adding a Page Layout below another one is one way to increase depth in the page hierarchy. | 23:26 |
| SquOnk | scrottie: BTW, that's one of the things I tested :) | 23:27 |
| SquOnk | scrottie: Add a Page Layout, set the templates; add a Page Layout below the first one, templates inherited. | 23:27 |
| SquOnk | scrottie: The typo fix saves me an annoying Debian-specific patch. The bug fixes save me annoying customer specific patches :) | 23:28 |
| SquOnk | scrottie: When is 7.10.23 scheduled? A week or so? | 23:28 |
| scrottie | that's a perlDreamer question. | 23:34 |
| SquOnk | scrottie: Right. | 23:34 |
| scrottie | okay. if you've thought through that one line of code more than I have, then it's cool. | 23:34 |
| SquOnk | scrottie: :) | 23:34 |
| SquOnk | scrottie: Worst case scenario, you point a finger at me ;-) | 23:35 |
| scrottie | [459523.743666] VirtualBox[8218]: segfault at c ip b5ae2264 sp bfbde120 error 4 in libstdc++.so.6.0.16[b5a30000+e2000] | 23:43 |
| * scrottie sighs | 23:43 | |
| SquOnk | Beautiful. | 23:43 |
| scrottie | Mobile template is not being inherited (#12246) probably needs a unit test. | 23:46 |
| SquOnk | scrottie: I guess | 23:47 |
| SquOnk | Allright, almost done with the 7.10 package. | 23:47 |
| SquOnk | It's time to test the upgrade from the 7.9.34 (I expect no surprises there) | 23:47 |
| SquOnk | Then test the codebase | 23:47 |
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| xootom | hi all | 23:52 |
| scrottie | hey xootom | 23:52 |
| xootom | hey scrottie | 23:52 |
| xootom | i've got a question about the uploads directory, and the folder structure (ab/cd/abcdefgh...) | 23:53 |
| scrottie | alright, shoot. I might even know the answer. | 23:54 |
| xootom | background is that i've got a site which has a bloated uploads dir, at 17G. I know there's not that much in there. so I'm trying to dump a list of all valid assets from the database. I thought I could identify these using storageId in FileAsset. but that doesn't seem to be the id used in the filesystem | 23:55 |
| xootom | from a csv export of FileAsset I used Excel (!) to create a shell script with each asset: mkdir -p '/root/uploadstemp/E6/oB'; cp -a -- 'E6/oB' '/root/uploadstemp/E6/oB' | 23:56 |
| xootom | but the directory names in uploads aren't in the WG database at all :/ | 23:56 |
| scrottie | yeah, there's a bit of a dance. | 23:57 |
| sbaur | doesn't storageid translate to char1char2/char3/char4/fullStorageId in the file system uploads dir where char1-4 are the first for characters of the storageId? | 23:59 |
| sbaur | ack, there's an extra slash in what i typed | 23:59 |
| sbaur | char1char2/char3char4/fullStorageId | 23:59 |
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| xootom | no that's the thing, I've got an assetId gO9oMjopFxSbud97pD6XJA, its storage id is ZywYdtlIl8amEGe-Rq8xTg | 00:01 |
| xootom | on disk it's in ./67/2c/672c1876d94897c6a61067bf46af314e/ | 00:01 |
| SquOnk | scrottie: The upgrade worked, to my surprise :) | 00:03 |
| sbaur | xootom: are you sure that one's not from a previous revision? | 00:04 |
| scrottie | nope, he's absolutely correct. | 00:04 |
| scrottie | https://gist.github.com/1198964 | 00:05 |
| scrottie | like I said, it does a bit of a dance... | 00:05 |
| * scrottie cut and paste that together from three different modules. | 00:05 | |
| xootom | ahhhh | 00:06 |
| sbaur | when did that change, if you happen to know it scrottie? | 00:06 |
| scrottie | I don't happen to know, nope, but I remember overhearing conversation in here about bugs when - started a filename and various things like that | 00:06 |
| scrottie | git blame? | 00:07 |
| scrottie | I think case-sensitive vs case-insensitive filesystems was the other major problem that this dance tries to solve | 00:07 |
| xootom | looks like i'd be better writing a proper perl program to copy the valid tree of assets from a site's uploads directory to a temp directory. then to rename uploads as .old, and temp as uploads. should work. | 00:08 |
| * scrottie nods at xootom | 00:09 | |
| * sbaur has no idea how to use the website to figure out when this code changed | 00:09 | |
| scrottie | github might have a button for it, but I generally do things like that at the command line | 00:09 |
| sbaur | xootom, that would be an awesome utility to have in the community add ons | 00:09 |
| sbaur | i know i have a site or two that i'd like to use that on | 00:09 |
| scrottie | git blame lib/WebGUI/whatever.pm ... eg lib/WebGUI/Storage.pm and WebGUI/Session/Id.pm | 00:09 |
| sbaur | that so involves having my own checkout, which i don't :-) | 00:10 |
| scrottie | git clone https://github.com/plainblack/webgui ;) | 00:10 |
| sbaur | maybe that should have been, which i don't want :-) | 00:11 |
| scrottie | heh | 00:11 |
| sbaur | it looks like it changed in 7.7 and maybe started changing in 7.6 | 00:14 |
| sbaur | darn, that means it's going to bite me soon :-) | 00:14 |
| scrottie | xootom, if you do write a utility to be shared, use the WebGUI::StorageLocation API. that allows for future change and back compat. | 00:16 |
| scrottie | speaking of. | 00:16 |
| scrottie | and I agree. such a utility would indeed be useful. | 00:18 |
| xootom | yes sounds like a plan, will do | 00:22 |
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| xootom | realised that there are storageids for various types of assets e.g. posts, must be attachments etc... is there any way of using the api to check whether an asset id on disk has a related asset of any type? then i can recurse over every directory (code exists in syncToCdn.pl) and check whether it's in use or not | 00:52 |
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| scrottie | not API, not that I can think of | 01:43 |
| xootom | i wonder if wgd would be any use, if theres anything in that | 01:46 |
| xootom | will ponder it anyway. gotta get off now it's late here, thanks for your help scrottie & all | 01:50 |
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| CIA-82 | webgui: Scott Walters master * r4ba683d / t/SQL.t : if the optional tests run, the second create was failing. drop the table before creating it the second time. - http://git.io/tytDTg | 02:29 |
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| CIA-82 | webgui: Scott Walters master * ra462466 / (lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm t/Asset/Wobject/Layout.t): (log message trimmed) | 03:30 |
| CIA-82 | webgui: Mobile template is not being inherited (#12246) | 03:30 |
| CIA-82 | webgui: Applied SquOnk's patch and added tests; modify www_add to inherit mobileStyleTemplateId | 03:30 |
| CIA-82 | webgui: from the parent as well as mobileTemplateId. mobileTemplateId is only used by PageLayout | 03:30 |
| CIA-82 | webgui: currently. If other assets start using this and this gets inherited cross asset types, | 03:30 |
| CIA-82 | webgui: thing will break. A better design here would be to flag on a case-by-case basis in | 03:30 |
| CIA-82 | webgui: asset definitions whether any given property should be inherited globally, of children | 03:30 |
| scrottie | ack... missed perlDreamer's comments. | 03:32 |
| CIA-82 | webgui: Scott Walters master * rd65fd7e / (lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm t/Asset/Wobject/Layout.t): | 03:33 |
| CIA-82 | webgui: Pending perlDreamer's comments...: | 03:33 |
| CIA-82 | webgui: Revert "Mobile template is not being inherited (#12246)" | 03:33 |
| CIA-82 | webgui: This reverts commit a4624663cf7f06614a2e288d8d50f74e34e0af20. - http://git.io/5DhGMw | 03:33 |
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| xootom | getting a 404 not found on www.webgui.org | 13:28 |
| +BartJol | xootom: I get the site now | 13:33 |
| xootom | still nothing here, | 13:36 |
| xootom | its a mod_perl server at cli_hostname | 13:37 |
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| SDuensin | Good morning. | 16:53 |
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| +BartJol | hello | 17:47 |
| sbaur | hi! | 17:50 |
| scrottie | GOOD MORNING #WEBGUI | 18:29 |
| sbaur | Morning | 18:43 |
| * sbaur official webgui greeter today | 18:43 | |
| scrottie | morning sbaur | 18:43 |
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| CIA-82 | webgui: Scott Walters master * r2628263 / (4 files in 4 dirs): | 22:44 |
| CIA-82 | webgui: Mobile template is not being inherited (#12246) | 22:44 |
| CIA-82 | webgui: added extra_www_add_properties method to Asset.pm and subclassed it in as | 22:44 |
| CIA-82 | webgui: Layout.pm as properties fix-up hook in child for www_add - http://git.io/k5V25A | 22:44 |
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| +SynQ | is anyone here? | 00:00 |
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| * scrottie gives SynQ a plaintive look | 00:09 | |
| +SynQ | 3:) | 00:11 |
| sbaur | hi SynQ | 00:16 |
| sbaur | sorry, i failed in my greeter responsibilities :) | 00:16 |
| +SynQ | I need a shipping address for an e-bay order | 00:17 |
| +SynQ | in the us | 00:17 |
| scrottie | PO Box 692, Tempe AZ, 85280 | 00:17 |
| scrottie | is this one of those UK-prices-for-Adobe-products-are-insane things? | 00:18 |
| +SynQ | nope | 00:19 |
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| CIA-82 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r0871ceb / t/Workflow/Activity/WaitForUserConfirmation.t : Fix the WaitForUserConfirmation test to make sure that TT is enabled in the config file. - https://github.com/plainblack/webgui/commit/0871ceb56a4e73d6eeaf15daf2c42ea9cf9d956c | 03:02 |
| CIA-82 | webgui: Scott Walters master * rb05c7ea / (4 files in 4 dirs): | 03:21 |
| CIA-82 | webgui: Revert "Mobile template is not being inherited (#12246)" | 03:21 |
| CIA-82 | webgui: ... per perlDreamer's additional argument for his original design for this | 03:21 |
| CIA-82 | webgui: This reverts commit 262826338472760814c8ba056ecc9fd6fe8d8846. - https://github.com/plainblack/webgui/commit/b05c7ea810a4efafb62e6c916f65d1064c58e425 | 03:21 |
| CIA-82 | webgui: Scott Walters master * ree121e9 / (4 files in 4 dirs): | 03:21 |
| CIA-82 | webgui: Mobile template is not being inherited (#12246) | 03:21 |
| CIA-82 | webgui: Break get_add_instance out of www_add; subclass it in Layout to | 03:21 |
| CIA-82 | webgui: pull mobileTemplateId and mobileStyleTemplateId from the parent | 03:21 |
| CIA-82 | webgui: if the parent is also a Layout. - https://github.com/plainblack/webgui/commit/ee121e94600ab4f85244281b706450d69a645204 | 03:21 |
| CIA-82 | webgui: Scott Walters master * r622391b / (lib/WebGUI.pm lib/WebGUI/URL/Content.pm t/Auth/mech.t): | 03:28 |
| CIA-82 | webgui: Using Basic Auth with WebGUI (#12198) | 03:28 |
| CIA-82 | webgui: Per IRC discussion with preaction, make HTTP auth failures soft failures. | 03:28 |
| CIA-82 | webgui: Don't attempt to re-auth the user on failure. Otherwise, .htaccess or | 03:28 |
| CIA-82 | webgui: similar put in place to protect a site and WebGUI get into a skirmish | 03:28 |
| CIA-82 | webgui: (users are asked to re-auth even if they did the .htaccess correctly, | 03:28 |
| CIA-82 | webgui: the log gets flooded, cats get radio shows, etc). - https://github.com/plainblack/webgui/commit/622391b61d29f91eb8e12fed9e63870a84f968dd | 03:28 |
| scrottie | as always, feedback welcome. | 03:30 |
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| SDuensin | Thursday. I never could get the hang of Thursdays. | 16:38 |
| +BartJol | or mondays, or tuesdays.... etc | 16:38 |
| * SDuensin guesses BartJol hasn't read the book. | 16:39 | |
| +BartJol | probably | 16:40 |
| SDuensin | It's a line from The Hitchhiker's Guide. | 16:41 |
| +BartJol | ah, I read that one, years ago | 16:41 |
| SDuensin | I memorized it. :-) | 16:42 |
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| SquOnk | Greetings. | 17:07 |
| +BartJol | hey | 17:07 |
| SquOnk | I'm working on the 7.10 Debian package. Almost done. | 17:08 |
| +BartJol | cool | 17:08 |
| SquOnk | There's one thing I wanted to check with you guys. | 17:08 |
| +BartJol | well | 17:08 |
| SquOnk | WebGUI ships with underscore.js library. | 17:08 |
| SquOnk | Debian has it's own package, so I *must* use Debian's instead of WebGUI's | 17:09 |
| +BartJol | oh dear, sounds like licensing | 17:09 |
| SquOnk | Debian's is a tad newer. | 17:09 |
| SquOnk | Not, not at all. | 17:09 |
| +BartJol | :) | 17:09 |
| +BartJol | pheew | 17:09 |
| SquOnk | Now, WebGUI's shipped has a file named underscore-min.js being used in W::Fork::ProgressTree | 17:09 |
| SquOnk | That file has been renamed underscore.min.js in the newer version. | 17:09 |
| SquOnk | I can (an will) write a patch for the *Debian* package so that the new name is used. | 17:10 |
| SquOnk | However, is it possible to upgrade WebGUI's shipped underscore version to the latest one? | 17:10 |
| +BartJol | well, I never used it conciously | 17:10 |
| +BartJol | and wouldn't know whether it can use the new one | 17:11 |
| SquOnk | (1.1.6 that is) | 17:11 |
| SquOnk | The diff between WebGUI's and Debian's only show name changes | 17:11 |
| +BartJol | well | 17:11 |
| SquOnk | ...and not for the API | 17:11 |
| +BartJol | it sounds doable | 17:12 |
| SquOnk | BartJol: As I said, according to the source code, it's only being used in W::Fork::ProgressTree | 17:13 |
| +BartJol | but as I am not really in the position to rename files unfortunately | 17:17 |
| * BartJol thinks you should contact preaction or perldreamer on that one | 17:17 | |
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| SquOnk | BartJol: Yep | 17:30 |
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| +BartJol | will the rest of the dependencies get available in squeeze? | 17:35 |
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| SDuensin | You guys use Macs, right? Anyone using 10.7.1? | 17:50 |
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| scrottie | SquOnk, patches welcome. | 18:04 |
| SquOnk | scrottie: :) | 18:06 |
| SquOnk | scrottie: So I update my repo and push, that's it? | 18:06 |
| SquOnk | scrottie: BTW, I saw your post on my bug report for the mobile stuff. Is it working? | 18:07 |
| SquOnk | BartJol: Sort of. I'll document the WiKi page once done. | 18:07 |
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| scrottie | Squ0nk, re: the mobile stuff, I wrote a couple of simple tests and they pass. more testing is always welcome. | 18:39 |
| scrottie | re: understore-min.js, yeah, the easiest thing to do git-mv in your own repo, make other changes, commit them, push it up to your own repo, and then send a pull request | 18:40 |
| scrottie | but if you have trouble with any of those steps, feel free to ask and I'll do what I can. if you manage to push the needed changes up, I can pull them from your git repo without you having to send a pull request too. | 18:40 |
| scrottie | the main point of you doing it in your repo isn't that you do the work but that you're able to do the testing and verify that the change works =) | 18:41 |
| CIA-11 | wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * rc85f218 / (build.sh getperlmodules.sh getsource.sh): Fix build script sytax errors, update apache and perl modules. - http://git.io/Qg2hXw | 18:46 |
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| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Hey there. | 18:53 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: 7.10 package for Debian almost ready :) | 18:54 |
| +perlDreamer | cool! | 18:54 |
| +perlDreamer | Let's hope that people install and use it | 18:54 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: We release as soon as you release 7.10.23 :) | 18:54 |
| +perlDreamer | now you're putting the pressure on | 18:54 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Oh yes. LOL | 18:54 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: We did some interesting things with the packaging. | 18:54 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: The localizations have been split, so 'webgui' only has english, and you add 'webgui-l10n-es' and so forth. | 18:55 |
| +perlDreamer | as long as the test suite still passes, I can handle interesting | 18:55 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: This saves disk space and memory footprint. | 18:55 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Of course it passes. | 18:55 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: There's also a helper script that downloads a particular localization from i18n.w.o and creates webgui-l10n-whatever | 18:56 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: So, if spanish, german and dutch are not enough, you can get additional ones and have them packaged automatically. | 18:56 |
| +perlDreamer | SquOnk, do you know of a way to translate a CPAN autobundle file into a list of Debian package dependencies? | 18:56 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Yes, we do that with dh-make-perl | 18:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | interesting | 18:57 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: dh-make-perl --cpan Foo::Bar --dh 8 | 18:57 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: It goes through some motions and you end up having libfoo-bar-perl with all dependencies set up. | 18:58 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: If some dependencies are not in Debian yet, it will tell you. | 18:58 |
| +perlDreamer | I made an autobundle file for 7.10.23 | 18:58 |
| +perlDreamer | sounds like it's too late to help you now | 18:58 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: I guess. | 18:59 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: dh-make-perl is a very nifty tool for Perl packaging | 18:59 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: I was chatting with BartJol and scrottie earlier about the underscore javascript library. | 19:00 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Debian's version is newer than WebGUI's | 19:00 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: I *must* use Debian's to follow policy. | 19:00 |
| +perlDreamer | understood, as long as you also understand that any bugs caused by that won't be fixed by us | 19:01 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Looking at WebGUI's code, it's being used only in W::Fork::ProgressTree | 19:01 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: I diff'ed WebGUI's and Debian's and there are only name changes, but not in the API. | 19:01 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: And the file underscore-min.js got renamed to underscore.min.js | 19:01 |
| scrottie | templates in the database probably reference it by the current name. | 19:02 |
| SquOnk | scrottie: That's what I was going to ask :) | 19:02 |
| SquOnk | I can (and will) write a patch for the package so it refers to the new name. | 19:02 |
| SquOnk | Unless you upgrade to the latest underscore release. | 19:03 |
| scrottie | perlDreamer knows a lot more about creating new versions of system templates or trying to patch them than I do. | 19:03 |
| +perlDreamer | we won't do that in 7.10, it's been marked stable | 19:03 |
| +perlDreamer | I doubt there are any core templates that use underscore | 19:03 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: All right, I had to ask you guys before writing the patch. | 19:03 |
| +perlDreamer | but I'm wrong | 19:03 |
| +perlDreamer | there is 1 | 19:04 |
| +perlDreamer | it's a template attachment to 1 template | 19:04 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: That means I need a patch and a symlink, but the symlinked file does not belong to my package. I don't know how to do that, yet. | 19:04 |
| scrottie | does NTFS do symlinks? | 19:05 |
| SquOnk | scrottie: I have no idea. | 19:05 |
| scrottie | oh, I guess for the purposes of a Debian package, it doesn't matter. | 19:05 |
| scrottie | as much. | 19:05 |
| +perlDreamer | it's this template: aIpCmr9Hi__vgdZnDTz1jw | 19:05 |
| +perlDreamer | the cart template uses underscore | 19:06 |
| * SquOnk wonder why underscore's upstream renamed underscore-min.js to underscore.min.js | 19:06 | |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Well, if it uses underscore.js, that's no problem. | 19:06 |
| SquOnk | The problem is underscore-min.js that got renamed. | 19:06 |
| +perlDreamer | that's the file that it uses | 19:06 |
| +perlDreamer | the minimized version | 19:06 |
| +perlDreamer | ^Extras(/underscore/underscore-min.js); | 19:07 |
| SquOnk | All right, I have to figure out the linking stuff. | 19:07 |
| SquOnk | Using Debian's underscore is just symlinking WebGUI's underscore root to Debian's underscore root. | 19:07 |
| +perlDreamer | we can upgrade in 8.x | 19:08 |
| SquOnk | I guess I'm going to need three symlinked files. Ugly, but will work until you guys upgrade. | 19:08 |
| +perlDreamer | why 3? | 19:08 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: underscore.js, underscore-min.js and underscore.min.js | 19:08 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: The old name and the new name. | 19:09 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: I could drop the new name since wg7 will not use it. | 19:09 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: But still, it isn't as clean as symlinking the roor. It's a good thing that underscore only comprises two files :) | 19:09 |
| +perlDreamer | indeed | 19:10 |
| +perlDreamer | SquOnk, for future checking, I find that running ack/grep on docs/create.sql to be useful for tracking down files in the database | 19:11 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Yes, I just realized that | 19:11 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: BTW, thanks for explaining what was bad with my patch. :) | 19:13 |
| +perlDreamer | no problem | 19:13 |
| scrottie | perlDreamer can be a good mentor when he isn't feeling too grumpy ;) | 19:13 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI 7 would tolerate it | 19:13 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI 8 would have puked and died, gasping | 19:13 |
| +perlDreamer | scrottie, I'm not sure my idea of ->add would have worked | 19:14 |
| +perlDreamer | since there's no way to change the properties __inside__ add | 19:14 |
| +perlDreamer | so I think you did the right thing | 19:14 |
| +perlDreamer | just with an ugly name :/ | 19:14 |
| scrottie | I didn't find any names I liked either. anyway, it's on its third iteration (SquOnk's patch being the first). | 19:14 |
| +perlDreamer | also, with regard to WebGUI 8, it should also be considered closed for new development until we get 8.0 out | 19:15 |
| +perlDreamer | there are 4 items on the GET IT OUT THE DOOR list | 19:15 |
| +perlDreamer | 1) Document the new Admin setup and replicate in all style templates | 19:15 |
| +perlDreamer | 2) Complete the www_edit -> getEditTemplate work | 19:15 |
| scrottie | the third iteration rips most of the guts out of www_add and has the "inner" method constructing an actual asset rather than just making a collection of properties, but it still kicks it off to a class method in the class of the child because it has to. | 19:15 |
| +perlDreamer | 3) Revert the version tag-less asset revision code | 19:16 |
| +perlDreamer | 4) Something that I have to check my notes for | 19:16 |
| * scrottie nods | 19:16 | |
| SquOnk | Moving from 7.9 to 8.0 will be done in exactly the same way moving from 7.n to 7.n+1? | 19:16 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 19:16 |
| +perlDreamer | otherwise, I will give you a boot | 19:17 |
| +perlDreamer | and you can throw it at me | 19:17 |
| scrottie | custom code will need reworked. | 19:17 |
| SquOnk | All right. That means I don't need to worry about 'webgui' and 'webgui8' packages. | 19:17 |
| SquOnk | scrottie: custom code is not my problem while packaging :) I just write "beware of your custom code breaking" note in the README.Debian :) | 19:17 |
| SquOnk | It has different dependencies than 7, right? | 19:18 |
| scrottie | we were just discussing this the other day in the context of CPAN. people are going to want to continue to use WebGUI7, in some cases. maybe not Debian users. if people are running against local, custom assets, they probably have a source install just so manage their own upgrades and testking. | 19:18 |
| SquOnk | (I used "different" instead of "less" 'cause I'm not sure :-)) | 19:18 |
| * scrottie nods at SqOnk | 19:18 | |
| +perlDreamer | scrottie: if you've fixed those two bugs, then why not close them in the bug tracker? | 19:18 |
| +perlDreamer | SquOnk, WebGUI 8 has different, and fewer dependencies than 7 | 19:18 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Great :) | 19:19 |
| scrottie | I'm used to leaving them open and letting the person who opened them close them when they sign off on the fix. but I could if the thing permits me...? | 19:19 |
| +perlDreamer | We can mark them as Resolved | 19:19 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: It's Plack and DBIx::Class based, isn't it? | 19:19 |
| +perlDreamer | Squonk, it's Plack based | 19:19 |
| +perlDreamer | no DBIx::Class yet | 19:19 |
| scrottie | alright, will do | 19:19 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Still stuck to MySQL, then. | 19:19 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 19:19 |
| SquOnk | WebGUI is the only application I'm still running on MySQL. | 19:19 |
| SquOnk | You guys are mighty good at what you do. | 19:20 |
| +perlDreamer | we're still trying to convert you, SquOnk :) | 19:20 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Not gonna happen. | 19:20 |
| scrottie | WebGUI8 developers will be happy to talk about WebGUI9 after 8 is out of beta, I'm sure ;) | 19:20 |
| * scrottie has no love for MySQL. | 19:20 | |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Plack *and* Moose? | 19:20 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 19:20 |
| scrottie | I have some thoughts here, but it would just be distracting to talk about it now. | 19:20 |
| +perlDreamer | I have no opposition to talking about stuff, but getting WebGUI 8 out is the highest dev priority we have | 19:21 |
| SquOnk | All right, so the underscore thing is settled, and I have my symlinks in place. | 19:21 |
| +perlDreamer | it's been too long (again) | 19:21 |
| SquOnk | Running all tests. All of them. | 19:22 |
| +perlDreamer | SquOnk, WEBGUI_LIVE=1 ? | 19:22 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: All of them. | 19:22 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: With coverage and ponies. | 19:22 |
| +perlDreamer | nice! | 19:22 |
| scrottie | I tripped over a failing test the other day when you're running a new enough MySQL to do InnoDB (which isn't that new). | 19:22 |
| sbaur | PONIES! | 19:22 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: I always do that prior to releasing. | 19:22 |
| SquOnk | Is WG8 going to recommend InnoDB for its database? | 19:23 |
| scrottie | someone really needs to make a Test::More::Always::Do::TODO | 19:23 |
| SquOnk | ('cause that's the less suckier version of MySQL concept of integrity) | 19:23 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm not completely sure on that one, SquOnk | 19:23 |
| +perlDreamer | I've recently had some nasty problems trying to recover damaged InnoDB databases | 19:24 |
| scrottie | SquOnk: everyone will have to speak for theirself, but in my mind, that's a really good idea, but not critical. if we can kick a beta out that works, we'll have some breathing room for doing non-critical but really nice stuff like that. | 19:24 |
| +perlDreamer | that would have been dirt simple in MyISAM | 19:24 |
| SquOnk | ISAM is spelled P-A-I-N | 19:24 |
| scrottie | this enters the realm of changes that are easy to make but may generate fallout and fallout always takes time to deal with. | 19:24 |
| +perlDreamer | oh no, SquOnk, pain is rebuilding 13 Gb database tables by hand because InnoDB doesn't support RECOVER TABLE | 19:25 |
| scrottie | ISAM is bloody slow and I keep seeing corruption problems. | 19:25 |
| scrottie | Postgres++. | 19:25 |
| scrottie | jus' sayin'. | 19:25 |
| SquOnk | scrottie: Preaching to the choir. | 19:25 |
| +perlDreamer | scrottie, I can count on one hand the number of ISAM corruption problems we had on sites in the last 2.5 years | 19:27 |
| +perlDreamer | and they were all due to hardware reboots | 19:27 |
| scrottie | my figures are slighly worse than that. | 19:28 |
| scrottie | still, large, busy WebGUI sites on InnoDB is still an unknown quality for me, so I'm not going to march blindly into assuming that unknown > kinda bad | 19:29 |
| +perlDreamer | you do work with a large, busy WebGUI site | 19:29 |
| +perlDreamer | and i tend to work with small, bored ones | 19:29 |
| +perlDreamer | :) | 19:29 |
| scrottie | right. it has one InnoDB table, used for caching. | 19:29 |
| +perlDreamer | it's great for row-level locking | 19:29 |
| scrottie | replication on the other hand I can heartly not recommend. | 19:29 |
| scrottie | heartily | 19:30 |
| SquOnk | Guys, there's a pizza waiting for me. I'm sure you'll understand :-) | 19:30 |
| SquOnk | So, bbl | 19:30 |
| +perlDreamer | adios | 19:30 |
| scrottie | haha, good talking to you SquOnk | 19:30 |
| +perlDreamer | I need to be in here more often | 19:30 |
| * scrottie nods | 19:32 | |
| scrottie | at the same time, it's understable when people need to step out for a while too | 19:32 |
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| CIA-11 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rd721816 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm): Fix a problem with case sensitivity when in Thingy's getFieldValue. Fixes bug #12231. - http://git.io/wmEvtQ | 19:54 |
| +perlDreamer | Maybe #4 is test InnoDB migration... | 19:57 |
| +perlDreamer | fixing failing tests is also right in there | 19:57 |
| +perlDreamer | since most (maybe all) are just test failures instead of buggos | 19:57 |
| scrottie | preaction had a plan of testing webgui.org on 8 before releasing a beta. that seems like a good idea. | 20:00 |
| +perlDreamer | it _is_ a good idea | 20:07 |
| +perlDreamer | and he did it, too | 20:07 |
| scrottie | oh. | 20:09 |
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| CIA-11 | webgui: Scott Walters master * re2f9577 / lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/NotifyAboutVersionTag.pm : | 21:34 |
| CIA-11 | webgui: Two newlines before the URL breaks linking even in the default template where this value is used as the url parameter. | 21:34 |
| CIA-11 | webgui: The newlines get changed to <br />'s and that stuffed into the param of an href. A URL really should just be a URL. | 21:34 |
| CIA-11 | webgui: Or a URI. Or one of those things. - http://git.io/g6HNnA | 21:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | nice catch on the version tag url, scrottie | 02:36 |
| CIA-11 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rd38992c / lib/WebGUI/Session/Url.pm : Update the POD for Session/Url - http://git.io/QrBM3A | 02:36 |
| scrottie | perlDreamer, it bit me. | 02:42 |
| scrottie | I had to catch it =P | 02:42 |
| scrottie | but thanks. | 02:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | you ever just get the itch to rewrite Session/Url as a subclass of URI? | 03:12 |
| +perlDreamer | URI's a funny module | 03:15 |
| +perlDreamer | it uses blessed scalars | 03:15 |
| +perlDreamer | which means that every time you do anything, it has to parse and then update the scalar | 03:16 |
| scrottie | you know, I never did get that urge. my particular flavor of OCD just doesn't run that way, I guess. I never ran into a case where I wished the API were otherwise, I guess. it's easy to imagine that happening... hitting some limitation of the API and then not wanting to re-invent the wheel further... but it hasn't yet | 03:27 |
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| scrottie | got X-Chat Aqua up and running yet? | 04:15 |
| scrottie | guess not. | 05:12 |
| CIA-11 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r1acc641 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Auth.pm): encryptLogin should not trump showMessageOnLogin. Fixes bug #12245. - http://git.io/20LleQ | 05:35 |
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| SDuensin | FrIdAy! | 16:42 |
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| @daviddelikat1 | mornin SDuensin | 16:56 |
| SDuensin | Hey daviddelikat | 16:56 |
| @daviddelikat1 | I have a new job! | 16:56 |
| @daviddelikat1 | working for plainblack. | 16:57 |
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| @daviddelikat1 | right now I'm hip deep in code | 16:58 |
| @daviddelikat1 | investigating a character encoding bug | 16:58 |
| * SDuensin cheers for daviddelikat1 ! | 17:00 | |
| @daviddelikat1 | did you ever get you linux-server-plug device working? | 17:01 |
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| SDuensin | daviddelikat1, yea, but no funding to launch it. | 17:04 |
| @daviddelikat1 | bummer | 17:04 |
| SDuensin | Eh, only cost me around $30k. :-P | 17:05 |
| @daviddelikat1 | ouch! | 17:06 |
| SDuensin | Yea. Taking awhile to fill in that hole. | 17:07 |
| @daviddelikat1 | I had a simila hole a while ago, but it wasn't nearly as much fun making it | 17:08 |
| SDuensin | lol | 17:08 |
| SDuensin | I think I have around $12k left. Then I need to work on building up the bank account again. Be nice to have a positive number in the account for once. | 17:09 |
| @daviddelikat1 | indeed | 17:10 |
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| scrottie | SDuensin, what's the deal with your plug device? Incidentally, I was just getting the urge to ram a Bifferboard into something again... | 19:20 |
| SDuensin | Bifferboard? | 19:40 |
| SDuensin | And the deal is, it's dead. I can't afford to launch it and the other devices that are already out now do more. I'd have to re-engineer a bit to even get back to not being able to launch it. | 19:41 |
| scrottie | ouch. | 19:42 |
| SDuensin | scrottie, here's the leftover web site: http://www.getrosie.com/ | 19:43 |
| scrottie | http://bifferos.co.uk/, re: Bifferboard | 19:43 |
| SDuensin | Interesting. Still waiting for the Raspberry Pi myself. | 19:48 |
| scrottie | guess the guy who did the Bifferboard did a device for Netgear or one of those guys that was just a simple interface between a USB hard-disk and Ethernet, offering the HD up for share on the LAN, but it became a popular target for hardware hackery since it was tiny and Linux, so he went into business for himself with the basic design. | 19:50 |
| scrottie | re: Raspberry Pi, I'm guessing that any video hardware on the thing isn't set up to drive VGA/DVI/etc, only an LCD. | 19:54 |
| scrottie | mostly announced hardware seems to go this route: http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=39806 | 19:55 |
| SDuensin | Yea. HDMI only. | 19:55 |
| SDuensin | AMIGA! | 19:55 |
| SDuensin | :-) | 19:55 |
| scrottie | big, bold announcement, then progressively fewer updates, with lots of resentment | 19:55 |
| scrottie | drawing out over years | 19:55 |
| scrottie | OpenMoko and OLPC are few exceptions I can think of where hardware came out, and both seem to have done more to spur other people on than actually accomplish anything themselves. | 19:56 |
| SDuensin | Yup. The Pi is moving fast though. They plan on shipping yet this year. | 19:56 |
| scrottie | "have implemented all the AGA features into the Minimig core using MikeJ's Replay board. You can watch it running on YouTube." ... 2/2010. design still unlreased. | 19:57 |
| scrottie | unreleased. | 19:57 |
| SDuensin | Someone needs to find him and take it. I want my AGA! | 20:02 |
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| scrottie | /who * | 00:50 |
| scrottie | ahem. | 00:50 |
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| * pbcj thinks of "Billy's Balloon" | 00:59 | |
| @pbcj | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gl_5lvPfpaQ&feature=related | 01:07 |
| @pbcj | for those that haven't seen it. classic. Also, not a rickroll. | 01:07 |
| scrottie | "My Spoon is Too Big" is one of the things my gf's roommate's talking toaster will play when you make toast | 01:10 |
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| scrottie | never have a pin when you need one... | 01:15 |
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| @pbcj | talking toaster? | 01:22 |
| @pbcj | niice | 01:23 |
| scrottie | was an April Fool's prank originally | 01:26 |
| @pbcj | calling it a week | 01:44 |
| @pbcj | night all | 01:44 |
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| SDuensin | Welcome to Monday. | 16:41 |
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| vanjwilson | just upgraded from 7.9.19 to 7.9.22, site seems fine, but when I run testEnvironment.pl, I try to install Business::OnlinePayment::AuthorizeNet, but it fails on "Unable to locate fraud_detection module _Fake in @INC under Fraud_Class_Path (@Fraud_Class_Path contains: Business::OnlinePayment Business::FraudDetect)Required modules are missing, running no more checks | 19:29 |
| vanjwilson | but if I choose not to install that one, then it goes through the rest of the modules to Geo::Coder::Googlev3 and then stops with "Required modules are missing, running no more checks." | 19:30 |
| scrottie | perl module deps are always a bit of crap shoot. | 19:33 |
| haarg | vanjwilson, i tried installing that module and had similar problems | 19:34 |
| scrottie | get cpanm from http://cpanmin.us (eg, wget http://cpanmin.us; chmod ugo+x cpanm; mv cpanm /usr/local/bin) | 19:34 |
| haarg | for me it was an intermittent test failure installing Net::HTTPS::Any | 19:34 |
| scrottie | ... yeah. then start --force installing failing deps. | 19:34 |
| scrottie | if cpanm --verbose Business::OnlinePayment::AuthorizeNet fails on installing Net::HTTPS::Any, do cpanm --force Net::HTTPS::Any | 19:35 |
| scrottie | heya haarg. | 19:35 |
| haarg | the module itself seems fine | 19:35 |
| haarg | but the tests are failing | 19:35 |
| haarg | sometimes :/ | 19:35 |
| haarg | hey scrottie | 19:35 |
| scrottie | vanjwilson, dealing with perl module deps takes some practice. feel free to ask for help if you get stuck. | 19:38 |
| haarg | i really hate when modules test against websites. always tends to cause problems eventually. | 19:39 |
| scrottie | you need a copy of this: http://product.half.ebay.com/Internet-in-a-Box-1994-Other-Mixed-media-product/2633016&tg=info | 19:41 |
| scrottie | then you'll always have the Internet! | 19:41 |
| vanjwilson | I tried by downloaded cpanm (btw, it's moved), but now cpanm can't find that module, and it falls back on cpan, but still can't find it: ! Finding Business:OnlinePayment::AuthorizeNet on cpanmetadb failed. | 19:42 |
| vanjwilson | Searching Business:OnlinePayment::AuthorizeNet on search.cpan.org ... | 19:42 |
| vanjwilson | ! Finding Business:OnlinePayment::AuthorizeNet on search.cpan.org failed. | 19:42 |
| vanjwilson | Searching Business:OnlinePayment::AuthorizeNet on mirror http://search.cpan.org/CPAN ... | 19:42 |
| vanjwilson | Downloading index file http://search.cpan.org/CPAN/modules/02packages.details.txt.gz ... | 19:42 |
| vanjwilson | Uncompressing index file... | 19:42 |
| vanjwilson | ! Finding Business:OnlinePayment::AuthorizeNet on mirror http://search.cpan.org/CPAN failed. | 19:42 |
| vanjwilson | ! Couldn't find module or a distribution Business:OnlinePayment::AuthorizeNet | 19:42 |
| scrottie | you mis-typed it. always two colons between parts of module names. | 19:43 |
| scrottie | Business::OnlinePayment::AuthorizeNet, not Business:OnlinePayment::AuthorizeNet | 19:43 |
| vanjwilson | Sorry, I copied and pasted from Empathy window, and I had to correct the "smiley" (should turn those off) | 19:47 |
| vanjwilson | great, failed the same test (t/mixed_operation.t) with the same error. Should I use "--force" now? | 19:49 |
| haarg | seems like the tests are entirely broken for that module | 19:52 |
| haarg | vanjwilson, you can probably just install it with --force | 19:52 |
| vanjwilson | used "--force", and now testEnvironment.pl passes all tests and completes thanks, scrottie and haarg (I will definitely get the boxed set to avoid this: http://www.theonion.com/video/breaking-news-all-online-data-lost-after-internet,14148/) | 19:52 |
| scrottie | vanjwilson, sure, no problem. | 20:03 |
| xootom | hi all, is anyone running webgui on 512M RAM servers? | 20:04 |
| xootom | i'm finding that the memory usage of each apache process is approx 170M (virt 436M) ... but this afternoon found that gallery uploads trigger a spike to 371M (virt 774M) which takes out apache completely | 20:14 |
| xootom | its only a 5M of so photo too | 20:14 |
| scrottie | xootom, you may have better luck with WebGUI 8. or at least I'd be interested to hear how that goes. | 20:25 |
| xootom | what's the spec of production servers anywhere else? how much ram and how many maxclients? | 20:28 |
| scrottie | how many modperl processes do you have configured to run? the obvious way to turn down memory usage is to run fewer of those. | 20:34 |
| scrottie | I do development on a machine with 1.5 gigs of RAM, but firefox likes to hoover between using all of my RAM and using twice as much RAM as I have. | 20:34 |
| xootom | I'm down at 1 while I'm testing out this gallery thing and it's still blowing it | 20:34 |
| scrottie | well, you aren't actually blowing virtual memory, so perhaps crank up how much memory apache is allowed to soak up in wre.conf and let the thing page as much as it needs to and see how badly it runs? | 20:36 |
| scrottie | I can't tell you if things would run better two with modperl httpds running or one but with one running, there will be noticible lag on serving pages. | 20:37 |
| xootom | this is on debian with its built in apache... so no wre or separate modproxy. mysql is on a separate box though | 20:38 |
| scrottie | alright, when you say "takes out apache completely", what happens? does it exhaust virtual memory? | 20:39 |
| scrottie | another thing that could be done... use database caching rather than FastMmap or the like | 20:40 |
| xootom | hard to say, just see memory use shoot up then apache is killed | 20:40 |
| scrottie | that's a bit slower (it's mostly for farms, where caching has to be distributed across machines) but not that bad if you use InnoDB tables | 20:40 |
| scrottie | what does swapon -s show on that machine? | 20:41 |
| scrottie | what's the "Size"? | 20:41 |
| xootom | there's no swap... it's on rackspace cloud and they don't like it :( | 20:41 |
| xootom | anything to reduce the memory footprint of modperl though, the cache thing sounds interesting | 20:42 |
| scrottie | ieee. okay, so when they sell you 512 megs of RAM, you *only* get 512 megs. | 20:42 |
| scrottie | I was going to suggest things like turning the vm overcommit level up (since perl and modperl and httpd waste a heck-ton of RAM) | 20:42 |
| xootom | kind of, it actually starts with a swap, but their clone tools don't add a swap to cloned or resized machines properly... and the tech there said not to use it | 20:43 |
| sbaur | Remove things in the conf file that you aren't actually using | 20:43 |
| sbaur | e.g. Shop | 20:44 |
| scrottie | changing the caching plugin is probably your best bet, but another thing you can do is go into your .conf, look for the "assets" section, and chop out as many of those as you can... everything you aren't using. | 20:44 |
| scrottie | uh, yeah, that. | 20:44 |
| xootom | cacheType is WebGUI::Cache::FileCache | 20:44 |
| scrottie | the WebGUI modules themselves aren't that large compared to all of the deps they pull in, which is typical. | 20:44 |
| scrottie | I don't *think* that will soak up RAM/VM like FastMmap will but I don't actually know. I'm just guessing. | 20:45 |
| scrottie | the old, old rule of thumb is to give your machine between 1x to 2x as much VM as actual RAM. overcommit and heavily speculative allocation of RAM completely changes that, but for actual allocation, that rule fo thumb still kind of makes sense. if they don't give you VM, you kind of mentally equate your 512 meg server with a 256 meg one, at least to compare it to other machines. | 20:47 |
| scrottie | btw, one of my personal goals is to get WebGUI 8 running *well* on my Amiga 3000 here. | 20:48 |
| xootom | hah! | 20:48 |
| scrottie | don't laugh. it's entirely do-able. | 20:48 |
| xootom | i always wanted a 3000, after having a 500+ | 20:48 |
| scrottie | 3000 was my dream machine so I'm pretty pleased to have one. it's hard not to go nuts expanding it and putting in an 060 (which still cost a ton of money) and so on. | 20:49 |
| scrottie | I've pretty much decided to stick in a better video card. | 20:49 |
| scrottie | got Ethernet in it right now, and max RAM on the stock CPU, and a nice SCSI drive. that's about it. | 20:50 |
| xootom | how much ram does it have? | 20:50 |
| scrottie | 16 megs. | 20:50 |
| scrottie | you can do 2 gigs sticking things on the Zorro-II bus, but the Zorro-II bus is slow. you can 128 megs on an 040 or 060 expansion but the 060 or 040 is expensive. | 20:51 |
| scrottie | 16 megs is a lot as far as most Amiga software is concerned though. | 20:51 |
| scrottie | realistic, running WebGUI on the thing, I would have to add more. | 20:52 |
| scrottie | modularizing WebGUI, the footprint would come down a lot, though. | 20:52 |
| scrottie | I have in the past pushed well beyond another old, old rule of thumb... one MIP per interactive user, that machines of the era (DEC 3100s, Sun 3/60s, etc) were held to. | 20:54 |
| scrottie | a 3000 kicks out a few MIPs so it should be able to handle a few interactive users =) | 20:54 |
| * scrottie ponders changing his legal name to "Not Yet Committed" | 20:56 | |
| xootom | well i'd be happy to test throwing some traffic at it! | 20:57 |
| xootom | just trying a 512M VM doing the gallery upload thing... it swaps about 75M but runs fine, the apache processes seem smaller too | 20:58 |
| scrottie | it's a long term goal. it'll be one thing at a time with wG8 ;) | 20:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | whoa! patspam! | 21:19 |
| +patspam | :) | 21:19 |
| +perlDreamer | how you doing man? | 21:19 |
| +patspam | good! | 21:19 |
| +perlDreamer | I heard you and a soccer ball had a violent disagreement | 21:19 |
| +patspam | yeah, except it was actually someone's leg.. | 21:20 |
| +patspam | but on an indoor soccer field | 21:20 |
| +patspam | I was playing goalie and decided to stop them with my cheekbone | 21:20 |
| +perlDreamer | ouch | 21:20 |
| +perlDreamer | legs are much harder than soccer balls | 21:20 |
| +patspam | yeah, I don't have much of a cheekbone at the moment, but hopefully getting it fixed up this week | 21:21 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd send you some more wine, but I suspect that it and the pain meds wouldn't mix well | 21:24 |
| +patspam | heh thanks | 21:25 |
| +patspam | How's things on your end? | 21:26 |
| +perlDreamer | things are okay | 21:27 |
| +perlDreamer | Kathy is 9 months away from being done | 21:27 |
| +perlDreamer | Peter just started middle school | 21:27 |
| +perlDreamer | Tim had a little bike accident on Mt. Saint Helens last weekend. The initial report was that his arm was broken | 21:28 |
| +perlDreamer | but the radiologist report was negative | 21:28 |
| +perlDreamer | so he's out of his splint | 21:28 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm awaiting a Dr's appt to look at a broken tailbone | 21:28 |
| +perlDreamer | Work at PB is busy busy busy | 21:29 |
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| CIA-11 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r1f9413e / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Shop/Cart.pm): Display an error message anytime the cart is viewed if it has mixed items (recurring and non-recurring, or too many recurring). Fixes bug #12211. - http://git.io/4uLodA | 21:35 |
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| +patspam | perlDreamer: yay to all the good outcomes :) | 23:44 |
| +patspam | busy is good! but hopefully not too busy | 23:44 |
| +perlDreamer | well, there are some days... ;) | 23:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | patspam: are you still able to work with your cheekbone like it is, or are you couching it? | 23:50 |
| +patspam | yeah I'm ok - I was out for a week while my eye was swollen shut, but all good now | 23:50 |
| +patspam | it just looks a little strange if you look closely because that side of my face appears flatter | 23:51 |
| +perlDreamer | ouch | 23:54 |
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| CIA-70 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rd84dd42 / docs/create.sql : Preparing for 7.10.23 release. - http://git.io/kMFATw | 04:27 |
| CIA-70 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r77a2a09 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready to 7.10.24 development. - http://git.io/ZjaEtw | 04:40 |
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| mech422 | hi all - just wanted to drop in and ask about Wg 8 status ? there was going to be a blog post updating the list of features for launch, but I can't find it ? | 05:16 |
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| scrottie | hey mech422 | 05:23 |
| mech422 | Hi Scrottie :-) | 05:23 |
| scrottie | re: status, development is chilled a bit after a long frenzy | 05:23 |
| scrottie | it's running webgui.org right now | 05:23 |
| scrottie | there are some boring tasks that have to be done before we release a beta and when things quiet down a bit here (been kind of crazy lately) we're going to do that and push a beta out | 05:24 |
| mech422 | ahh - I take it that means release will be delayed till say next month at earlies ? | 05:24 |
| scrottie | then there's a lot of work to do after that =) | 05:24 |
| scrottie | even before feedback | 05:24 |
| scrottie | I wouldn't expect one before then. sorry, I haven't paid any attention to the launch dates. | 05:24 |
| scrottie | I've just fixed bugs and made little improvements on it, time permitting. | 05:24 |
| mech422 | hehe - boring stuff always seems to outnumber the interesting stuff... there was a mention of a beta or something in sept. | 05:25 |
| mech422 | cool | 05:25 |
| scrottie | you can fetch it from github and fire it up right now. it works. it just isn't done. | 05:25 |
| mech422 | wG 8 is more 'layered' isn't it ? I can front end it with nginx, use a system installed MySQL, etc etc ? | 05:25 |
| scrottie | re: the blog... PlainBlack switched from blogging on the webgui.org WebGUI to using tumblr, so the old articles might be kind of unliked. | 05:25 |
| scrottie | as far as new features, mostly it's a clean-up. it's easier to write assets because they're defined in terms of Moose custom properties. it's easier to deploy because it's based on Plack. | 05:26 |
| mech422 | ah! have to go check tumblr then | 05:26 |
| scrottie | yeah, nginx is the recommended route. you want something to serve static files (care of X-Sendfile) in front of whatever Plack frontend. | 05:26 |
| scrottie | it would be awesome if you downloaded it, fired it up, and blogged about it too =) | 05:27 |
| mech422 | I just don't care for apache - makes my head spin most of the time :-P | 05:27 |
| scrottie | yeah, no kidding. | 05:27 |
| scrottie | handler phases make sense for mucking about in the internals of Apache but who wants that? otherwise the mod_perl API is just wrong for trying to do anything. | 05:27 |
| mech422 | I'll try and give it a go... doing a new theme for http://www.digitalmusicnews.com and thought it might be a good time to look at wG 8 | 05:28 |
| scrottie | excellent. | 05:28 |
| scrottie | oh, I guess the reworked AJAX-y admin is one of the major new features. | 05:28 |
| mech422 | btw - I made like a 5 line change to our wG instance to add a second 'webgui' cookie when someone actually logs in... | 05:29 |
| mech422 | makes caching with varnish MUCH easier | 05:29 |
| mech422 | but its for a 2 year old version of webgui - think anyone would be interested in it ? | 05:29 |
| scrottie | hard to say. I don't have any experience with varnish. just about anything that gets pushed to the Web, Google can find, though. | 05:30 |
| scrottie | suddenly it occurs odd to me that we don't have an NNTP group that people can post to, but then I realize I'm old. | 05:30 |
| scrottie | seems odd | 05:30 |
| scrottie | occurs that we should. something like that. | 05:30 |
| mech422 | heh - I'm practice anti-social networking :-P don't twitter, facebook or blog | 05:31 |
| scrottie | I wrote a Gopher adapter for Plack and fired up a blog on Gopher >=) | 05:31 |
| mech422 | yeah - usenet was nice... now stuff is so scattered you need to follow a bazillion sources to stay up to date | 05:31 |
| mech422 | heh - I actually remember getting all excited because bluewave would let me read quick mail packets off line :-) | 05:33 |
| scrottie | hrmmrm! | 05:33 |
| mech422 | anyway, if i get a chance to play with wG 8, I'll drop back with any feedback | 05:34 |
| scrottie | cool beans. | 05:35 |
| mech422 | oh ! one annoying thing I hope was fixed - if you change the URL for an item in our version of wG - hitting 'save' might say the changes took, but then when you go back in, the URL was changed to 'foo2' because 'foo' was still in the wastebasket or something. Be nice if it told you about that when you hit save | 05:35 |
| scrottie | thanks for dropping by. sorry I can't think where that old announcement is. | 05:35 |
| scrottie | though there should be a presentation (keynote, last WUG) on WebGUI TV on webgui.org | 05:36 |
| scrottie | open an RFE? http://www.webgui.org/rfe | 05:36 |
| scrottie | if that one isn't in there already? | 05:37 |
| mech422 | http://blog.webgui.org/post/8953117006/whats-up-with-webgui-8-part-the-first | 05:38 |
| scrottie | going to PPW? (Pittsburgh Perl Workshop) | 05:39 |
| mech422 | this one ? http://www.webgui.org/wgtv/plack-and-the-post-apache-future-of-webgui#idu3MsSVWgpYuxbMYnfGzgPg | 05:40 |
| mech422 | nah - I'm actually more of a python person - have really done perl in years... | 05:40 |
| scrottie | ah | 05:40 |
| scrottie | I was going to wave my hands at my (as of yet unwritten) wG8 talk if so | 05:40 |
| scrottie | Patrick (patspam) did the Plack work... but that wasn't the talk I was thinking of. may not be up there. let's see. | 05:41 |
| scrottie | http://www.webgui.org/wgtv/plugging-into-the-webgui-8-admin-console#idboEty5TUCSlSr5260bUe-g ... | 05:41 |
| mech422 | ahh - thanks :-) I'll go eat dinner and watch wg tv then :-) | 05:42 |
| mech422 | thanks for all the help | 05:42 |
| scrottie | http://www.webgui.org/wgtv/wuc-2010-keynote#idg-eme8wpbGg9v12riO0UsA | 05:42 |
| scrottie | that last one, I think, is it | 05:42 |
| scrottie | sure, cheers! | 05:42 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 16:54 |
| xootom | hi! | 16:54 |
| SDuensin | Hey xootom | 16:54 |
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| +danny_mk | Good day everyone | 19:19 |
| +danny_mk | I have built two snippets (yui datatable + json data) that build a yui datatable listing files in a specific directory for the purpose of downloading them | 19:20 |
| +danny_mk | if I want to give the users access to those files I have to create an alias in apache to make that directory available but this will bypass webgui security | 19:20 |
| +danny_mk | I can't be the only one that has run into this problem but I have not seen a good solution so far, anyone here done something like this before? | 19:22 |
| sbaur | could you put an .htaccess file into the directory enforcing the security you need? | 19:23 |
| +danny_mk | sure but that would require me to use a different set of groups/users/perms outside of what webgui controls wont it? | 19:24 |
| +danny_mk | darnit, being called into meeting, hopefully brb | 19:28 |
| sbaur | I don't know, but I'd look at the .htaccess files in your current uploads directory to see how webgui uses them and then see if it can be co-opted | 19:28 |
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| +danny_mk | I will do that, I will take a look at one of the existing .htaccess files | 20:35 |
| +danny_mk | well, the files are actually called .wgaccess and contain data like {"assets":[],"groups":["XzCdc-nDVupDeOpirbPX7g","12"],"users":["3"]} | 20:47 |
| scrottie | JSON! | 20:47 |
| +danny_mk | not sure I want to manually maintain those, the format seems pretty simple | 20:48 |
| scrottie | .wgaccess won't bypass WebGUI security, but you can give "Everyone" access to stuff | 20:48 |
| +danny_mk | I want to restrict access, not give "Everyone" access | 20:48 |
| scrottie | generally, you'd want to use the WebGUI admin UI to maintain those | 20:49 |
| sbaur | do individual files need separate permissions or are they all the same? | 20:49 |
| scrottie | well, you can run permissions through WebGUI if you use the .wgaccess. you have to, in fact. or you can do .htaccess. | 20:49 |
| +danny_mk | OK, sure, however lets say you have a bunch of word documents in a directory like "/usr/local/secure" | 20:49 |
| scrottie | current WebGUI fights over HTTP Basic Auth with the web server but I have a fix in right now that I'd really like tested. | 20:50 |
| +danny_mk | and you want a YUI datatable that displays a link to the actual image | 20:50 |
| +danny_mk | image = "file" | 20:50 |
| scrottie | I'd really like to know that it plays well with .wgaccess and everything in more real world cases. | 20:50 |
| +danny_mk | are you asking me to test? | 20:50 |
| +danny_mk | I have a few test systems I can try | 20:50 |
| scrottie | I'm encouraging you to test. | 20:51 |
| +danny_mk | sure | 20:51 |
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| scrottie | wee! | 20:51 |
| scrottie | did I see perlDreamer roll up a release yesterday or was I dreaming? if so, that would have it in it. | 20:51 |
| scrottie | usually those go out Tuesdays though. | 20:52 |
| sbaur | i saw something on the blog... | 20:52 |
| +danny_mk | I am using 7.10.23-stable on my test system, I can upgrade if necessary | 20:53 |
| +danny_mk | another meeting, darnit, brb, post the details of your "fix" | 21:00 |
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| scrottie | (sorry, brain lag here) | 22:07 |
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| +danny_mk | scrottie: I see 7.10.23-stable is no available, does that one have your fix? | 22:18 |
| scrottie | not available? | 22:19 |
| +danny_mk | sorry, that was supposed to read "now" available | 22:20 |
| +danny_mk | what am I looking for during testing? | 22:21 |
| scrottie | any .htaccess files you have should work | 22:21 |
| scrottie | and WebGUI won't try to make users re-auth when the .htaccess username/password doesn't match any WebGUI logins | 22:22 |
| +danny_mk | there are no .htaccess files in my uploads path | 22:22 |
| scrottie | mmm, yes, 7.10.23 has that change in it | 22:22 |
| scrottie | if I keep looking at five git repos at the same time, eventually I'm going to accidentally convert WebGUI8 to use mod_perl. | 22:23 |
| scrottie | then they'll have to send out a hitman. | 22:23 |
| +danny_mk | :-) | 22:23 |
| +danny_mk | OK, so you want me to create a .htaccess file and make sure it plays well with webgui auth? | 22:24 |
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| sbaur | so we just became aware of the DataTable asset. Does anyone have an example of how they are using it they'd be willing to share, or maybe just talk about it? (And yes, I know we're behind the times.) | 00:11 |
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| * scrottie is having a bad hair day. sorry, everyone. | 01:20 | |
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| +danny_mk | Good day everyone, how are we dealing with js library duplication? When building components for WebGUI I would like to avoid loading js libraries that are already loaded. | 15:58 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 16:48 |
| +BartJol | danny_mk: sorry, no clue | 16:48 |
| +danny_mk | would be great to have | 16:53 |
| +danny_mk | pages become saturated with duplicate <script src... | 16:53 |
| +BartJol | yeah, I can see what you mean | 16:53 |
| +BartJol | IHave seen a forum post about that, that it wasn't perfect | 16:54 |
| +danny_mk | nope | 16:54 |
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| +danny_mk | would be great to have some sort of hash in session like $session->{jsInclude}->{component}->{... where component would be something well known like YUI_Datatable or something like that | 16:56 |
| +danny_mk | not sure that this is the best approach but something should be done | 16:57 |
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| scrottie | danny_mk, see lib/WebGUI/Session/Style.pm | 18:51 |
| scrottie | eg, $style->setScript($url->extras('yui/build/json/json-min.js'), {type=>'text/javascript'}); (from WebGUI::Shop::Vendor, from ack'ing for it and picking out a line randomly) | 18:52 |
| sbaur | has anyone installed webgui on rhel 6? anything i need to look out for? | 18:53 |
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| vanjwilson | Is anyone using the new WebGUI::Content::PDFGenerator ? | 21:05 |
| vanjwilson | I installed WebGUI::Content::PDFGenerator, and the library it needs, but when I test it on a page, I get the following error in webgui.log: Can't use string ("--orientation Landscape") as an ARRAY ref while "strict refs" in use at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Content/PDFGenerator.pm line 97 | 21:07 |
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| scrottie | vanjwilson, it's a pretty new module. I bet Paul would appreciate a bug report there. | 21:23 |
| vanjwilson | Just submitted the info to dev forum thread at: http://www.webgui.org/forums/dev/webgui::content::pdfgenerator (Is there a better place to submit?) | 21:25 |
| scrottie | if it isn't core, I suppose not | 21:28 |
| scrottie | other than perhaps incanting "frodwith" here just in case it sounds an alarm. | 21:28 |
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| vanjwilson | @scrottie thanks for the suggestion | 22:14 |
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| knowmad | chirp. chirp. Anyone around tonite? | 07:16 |
| * scrottie looks around | 07:39 | |
| @scrottie | don't see anyone | 07:39 |
| @scrottie | any luck with that HTTP Basic Auth "fix"? | 07:39 |
| @scrottie | I'm guessing that that one is highly likely to break something else. | 07:39 |
| @scrottie | I need to run out in a few but if you post your question, I'll try to remember to look at it when I get back in | 07:42 |
| @scrottie | and someone might beat me to it | 07:42 |
| knowmad | hey scrottie, not had a chance yet now that the server has gone into production mode | 07:44 |
| @scrottie | ah, so now it matters less | 07:44 |
| @scrottie | that only took me, what, 8 weeks | 07:44 |
| knowmad | yep, that too... but i will try to get back to it | 07:44 |
| knowmad | no question right now. just seeing if there was any life out here ;) | 07:45 |
| @scrottie | ah | 07:45 |
| @scrottie | US business hours seem to be the "rush", if you could call it that | 07:46 |
| @scrottie | I'm still egging on the new guy to get X-Chat Aqua on his work-Mac | 07:47 |
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| knowmad | yeah, that makes sense for irc; i'm on tonite for a deadline... | 07:56 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 16:36 |
| knowmad | Ditto | 16:37 |
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| knowmad | Hey, can someone help me with a custom wobject error I'm getting? The webgui.log reports -- Asset mh_z92LdqGk4uBIJZST46w WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::JCSUNetPriceCalculator 1316097650 is missing properties. | 17:50 |
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| knowmad | So still stuck on instantiating my custom wobject... When I run classLoadTest.pl, I'm getting "bad asset:". Any ideas for what next? Nothing in the webgui.log file | 18:38 |
| knowmad | OK, so I found the error in the modperl error log | 18:40 |
| knowmad | Which leads to another issue -- templates; i'm trying to use 2 custom templates in my definition; when i look at the wobject instance in webgui, in edit mode the dropdown lists are empty; how do I get templates into these lists? | 18:41 |
| sbaur | Doesn't it only show templates of the appropriate namespace? your template's namespace needs to be the same as whatever that drop down list is looking for | 18:50 |
| knowmad | yeah, i'm starting to figure out how the template namespaces work... thanks | 18:50 |
| knowmad | it kinda sucks that i can't edit the namespace once i've set it in the template | 18:51 |
| knowmad | at least thru the gui; mysql worked! | 18:51 |
| sbaur | yup | 18:51 |
| sbaur | it's also not that hard to copy the text of an existing template and put it into a new one and set the correct namespace | 18:52 |
| sbaur | but, i'd go to the db too :-) | 18:52 |
| knowmad | laziness is a virtue! | 18:52 |
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| sbaur | I'm looking at a brand spanking new 7.6.35 conf file. I want to disable stuff that I'm not going to be using on this site. I can't find anything on this in the wiki, though my wiki search fu is weak. What sections should I remove stuff from and which sections should I not touch? | 20:59 |
| knowmad | i've never seen any docs around this; in a recent project, i manually went thru and commented out assets that i knew we wouldn't be using like anything to do with e-comm | 21:01 |
| sbaur | so, only in the assets section? | 21:01 |
| sbaur | and i'll be taking matrix and i/o board out too | 21:01 |
| knowmad | yes, as i recall | 21:03 |
| sbaur | ok, i'll give it a try, but I think maybe on my dev server first :-) | 21:03 |
| knowmad | oh, another place | 21:04 |
| knowmad | also check out preload.exclude.custom in WebGUI/sbin | 21:04 |
| knowmad | that might be a better way to exclude assets globally on a server | 21:04 |
| sbaur | ah, yes, thank you :-) | 21:04 |
| sbaur | but i don't think i'm ready to do it globally yet | 21:04 |
| knowmad | sure | 21:05 |
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| @scrottie | morning! | 21:18 |
| sbaur | hi scrottie! | 21:18 |
| @scrottie | I think there was a webgui TV... "know your config file"... on this, sbaur. | 21:19 |
| @scrottie | I'm trying to slowly work my way through those... I haven't watched that one yet. | 21:19 |
| sbaur | ok, i'll go hunt it down then, thanks. Heck it's possible I was even at the WUC when it was done :-) | 21:19 |
| @scrottie | but most stuff in there doesn't hurt anything. | 21:19 |
| @scrottie | let me know if it's any good. | 21:20 |
| @scrottie | weren't you suggesting to someone the other day to remove unneeded asset definitions to save memory? | 21:20 |
| @scrottie | that's the only thing I can think of in there worth pruning. | 21:20 |
| sbaur | it's gonna be a while, i have a new server to setup, and new sites to setup on different servers, always fun | 21:20 |
| @scrottie | whee! | 21:20 |
| sbaur | and yes i did make the suggestion based on other suggestions i'd seen | 21:21 |
| sbaur | not based on personal experience | 21:21 |
| @scrottie | so, protip: wgd reset --delcache may or may not remove your corrupt CHI cache .dat file that's causing perl to coredump. best to use rm. | 21:21 |
| sbaur | knowmad: did you delete shipping drivers and payment drivers as well? | 21:25 |
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| knowmad | let me go look | 21:40 |
| knowmad | i can't remember where i made those edits; i'm even wondering if the modifications i recalled making to the last project even made it to the production server now that we've gone live | 21:42 |
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| knowmad | quick question -- i haven't had to deal with form input in webgui yet; where in the api do I look for methods to get the data posted to my custom wobject? | 22:48 |
| @scrottie | perldoc /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Session/Form.pm | 22:49 |
| @scrottie | usually that looks so: $self->session->form->param('whatever'); | 22:50 |
| @scrottie | in simple cases. | 22:50 |
| @scrottie | or $session->form if you picked $session out of $self already. | 22:50 |
| knowmad | thanks for the link and tip | 22:50 |
| knowmad | scrottie: another question, why is my www_process subroutine overriding my view subroutine? i don't grok the order of processing in an wobject... | 22:57 |
| @scrottie | overriding it? | 23:01 |
| @scrottie | www_process should only be called if func=process gets passed in as GET/POST data | 23:02 |
| @scrottie | www_view (which by default invokes view) will run otherwise | 23:02 |
| knowmad | ok, that was my understanding; so the default is www_view which is in wobject and calls to my view() | 23:02 |
| @scrottie | the other way happens more often... if www_process throws an error, WebGUI will kick back to www_view as a backup | 23:02 |
| knowmad | ahhh, that's probably it | 23:02 |
| @scrottie | don't remember if www_view is in Wobject or Asset, but essentially, yes | 23:03 |
| knowmad | wait, that's the wrong template thought | 23:03 |
| knowmad | ok, back to debugging... thanks for input | 23:03 |
| knowmad | one more thing... while testing I'm creating a bunch of version tags. is there a way to roll these back and remove the test assets i'm adding? | 23:05 |
| @scrottie | sure! | 23:07 |
| @scrottie | perldoc /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/VersionTag.pm | 23:07 |
| @scrottie | rollback() | 23:07 |
| knowmad | muchas gracias! | 23:08 |
| @scrottie | you're quite welcome. | 23:08 |
| @scrottie | you'll have to find the version tags if you lost track of them... | 23:08 |
| @scrottie | you may want to roll back all tags getOpenTags() comes up with. or you might not. | 23:09 |
| knowmad | i should have the id in my test script | 23:09 |
| @scrottie | afk a few... | 23:10 |
| @scrottie | strategic over-due lunch time shower. | 23:10 |
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| @scrottie | back | 23:29 |
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| SDuensin | FrIdAy! | 16:40 |
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| kthakore_ | scrottie: le ping? | 16:45 |
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| +BartJol | kthakore: I suspect he is almost awake | 17:03 |
| kthakore | BartJol: thanks | 17:04 |
| +BartJol | if you have a general uestion, I might give it a shot | 17:05 |
| knowmad | hey BartJol, I have one for you :) | 17:08 |
| knowmad | I'm writing a custom wobject that displays a form and then processes the post; i'm having trouble getting the form post to call www_process | 17:09 |
| knowmad | i've set a hidden field called 'func' with value of 'process' but wG is not running my www_process method | 17:09 |
| knowmad | help | 17:09 |
| +BartJol | :P | 17:09 |
| knowmad | well fine, i'll go figure it out for myself then | 17:10 |
| knowmad | ;) | 17:10 |
| +BartJol | you're much better at those things' | 17:10 |
| +BartJol | hardly touched webgui code lately | 17:11 |
| knowmad | only by virtue of necessity! | 17:11 |
| +BartJol | I just install and upgrade | 17:11 |
| knowmad | this is my first wobject; i've written plenty of macros | 17:11 |
| +BartJol | yeah, that's my problem to I think | 17:11 |
| +BartJol | allthough I've written a contenthandler | 17:11 |
| knowmad | hey, that's a good start! | 17:12 |
| +BartJol | I suspect the contenthandlers also takes the "func" parameter and handles it | 17:12 |
| knowmad | i see lots of Plainblack folks on the board but they must be preoccupied.... back to trial & error ;) | 17:12 |
| +BartJol | not sure how exactly | 17:12 |
| knowmad | actually that's a good idea for me to go look at the content handler that calls my object; can't remember which one that is but that's what would process the parameters | 17:13 |
| knowmad | thanks for the idea | 17:13 |
| +BartJol | don't think you can directly call wobject API from a form | 17:14 |
| knowmad | yeah, i'm not trying to do that | 17:15 |
| knowmad | when the form posts back to my wobject, i want it to call the 'process' func; i may have to put that into the action attribute of the form | 17:16 |
| +BartJol | I can't see where your www_ method is ;) | 17:16 |
| knowmad | i'd be worried if you could see my monitor! | 17:16 |
| +BartJol | are you scared of me? | 17:17 |
| knowmad | yes, you're much bigger than i am! | 17:17 |
| +BartJol | yeah, but only clumsy, not intentional aggressive | 17:18 |
| knowmad | of course, i do trust you | 17:18 |
| knowmad | yeah, i wouldn't put you down as aggressive; really, i'm more scared of web security | 17:19 |
| knowmad | anyhow, back to the code; i'll let you know what i learn... | 17:19 |
| +BartJol | yeah, digtinotar! | 17:19 |
| knowmad | oh, i hadn't heard of that one but good case in point about the insecurity of the web | 17:21 |
| +BartJol | yeah and the dutch government used those certificates widely, joy | 17:22 |
| knowmad | ouch! | 17:22 |
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| knowmad | need help getting a form post to a wobject to call the right func; what am I doing wrong when trying to pass the method through a hidden field? | 18:47 |
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| knowmad | e.g., func=process; www_process is never called | 18:47 |
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| knowmad | Figured it out; i have to submit the form to the asset, not the page layout container. Doh! | 19:00 |
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| * scrottie waves hello | 19:58 | |
| elnino | what is the url to the CS nowadays? | 20:15 |
| elnino | i'm not getting an RSS feed option in firefox. what is the url for the feed? | 20:21 |
| elnino | never mind, I found the url, but shouldn't firefox give me the little rss feed option? | 20:24 |
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| elnino | hi. anyone here? | 23:04 |
| elnino | we need to figure out how to allow people to subscribe to an asset when it's been updated. when it gets updated, an email should be sent out. Suggestions? | 23:05 |
| @scrottie | people are here. a few assets pull in the AssetAspect::Subscribeable functionality. | 23:06 |
| @scrottie | if you want to do that with an asset that doesn't pull that in, you'll have to write some code. | 23:06 |
| elnino | I'm assuming that is just the CS and newsletter at this point. | 23:11 |
| @scrottie | WikiPages and the WikiMaster... hrm, the Collaboration System and a few other things must have their own version built in | 23:12 |
| elnino | I know they didn't want to do work on the cs anymore, so that would make sense that itt doesn't utilize the AssetAspect. hmm. maybe I can use the wiki page.. that's an idea. Thanks! | 23:14 |
| @scrottie | sure! | 23:19 |
| elnino | I think if I use the wiki, thye would be notified if it changed, right? | 23:20 |
| @scrottie | there's a link people can click to subscribe to change notifications. | 23:46 |
| @scrottie | I don't know if they get subscribed by default when they edit a page. probably not. | 23:46 |
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| elnino | hello. I know this sounds strange, but you know me.... My user list "disappeared" any thoughts? I saw it this afternoon, but then my client said it's gone. And so it is. We can login just fine. but, where did the list go? | 05:42 |
| elnino | thoughts? thoughts? this is weird. | 05:49 |
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| @preaction | i'd say check the error log, after making sure it's on WARN level | 06:23 |
| @preaction | except you're gone and i didn't notice :( | 06:23 |
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| SynQ | frop | 13:17 |
| SynQ | portland OR | 13:17 |
| SynQ | don't I know someone who lives there? :) | 13:17 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 16:43 |
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| elnino | anyone know who is www.aulix.com | 19:02 |
| +perlDreamer | sorry, no | 19:03 |
| +perlDreamer | the hosting discussion on his site was last updated 2009, and that's not a good sign | 19:04 |
| elnino | nope. | 19:04 |
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| * scrottie waves to knowmad | 00:50 | |
| knowmad | Cheers scrottie | 00:55 |
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| elnino | anyone use dyndns or no-ip? | 02:08 |
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| SquOnk | Greetings. | 16:29 |
| xdanger | hola! | 16:46 |
| SquOnk | xdanger: Hola. | 16:46 |
| xdanger | I was wondering the other day what is going on with webgui, but things seems to have slown down.. | 16:47 |
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| sbaur | hmm, when i try to go to blog.webgui.org, I get a message saying the connection was reset pages on www.webgui.org seem to be loading fine | 19:44 |
| sbaur | anyone else having the same problem? | 19:44 |
| scrottie | xdanger, preaction was doing almost all of the work on WebGUI 8. he has left for greener pastures. | 19:46 |
| scrottie | re: blog.webgui.org, that now points at Tumblr, and Tumblr was probably having a slow. | 19:46 |
| sbaur | or is still having a slow | 19:47 |
| sbaur | i'm just trying to see if there were any comments on today's blog post | 19:47 |
| sbaur | dns for blog.wg sure doesn't point to tumblr, but i guess it could be a server side redirect | 19:49 |
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| scrottie | looking at the Net panel in firebug, it's probably opening an iframe or the like | 19:55 |
| scrottie | I see a bunch of transfers from there and from Twitter, too | 19:55 |
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| sbaur | I'm doing a source install of WG 7.6.35, and I have all the prereqs testEnvironment is asking for, except Net::Subnets which CPAN says doesn't exist anymore. Anyone have any ideas were I could find a package or Module? | 20:34 |
| sbaur | I'm doing a source install because there isn't a WRE binary available for RHEL 6 yet | 20:40 |
| ckotil | yum whatprovides '*/Subnets.pm' | 20:44 |
| ckotil | or look for perl-Net-Subnets | 20:45 |
| ckotil | both turned up empty, i just searched on a rhel6.1 box | 20:47 |
| sbaur | i have epel enabled and it's not there either | 20:58 |
| sbaur | :-( | 20:59 |
| sbaur | i'll search some more, after my meeting, I may have to repackage it from old info | 20:59 |
| * sbaur wonders if cpan is part of the internet archive | 20:59 | |
| ckotil | from PD: Starting in 7.8.5, and 7.7.27, Net::Subnets will be replaced by Net::CIDR::Lite. This module is not in the WRE, so it will need to be manually added. | 21:06 |
| ckotil | If you use 7.7, and have Net::Subnets installed, it will work with either module, but 7.8 will only use Net::CIDR::Lite. | 21:06 |
| ckotil | http://www.webgui.org/forums/install/source-install-the-module-netsubnets-isnt-available-on-cpan | 21:06 |
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| sbaur | thanks ckotil, too bad I'm still working on getting all my sites to 7.6 | 21:21 |
| sbaur | but the source link on the page you pointed me at looks promising | 21:22 |
| sbaur | oh, and backpan. excellent! | 21:24 |
| ckotil | cool | 21:26 |
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| sbaur | Success! Got testEnvironment to be happy | 21:42 |
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| scrottie | daviddelikat1, how's stuff? are you on-site? get IRC running on the Mac? | 22:02 |
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| vanjwilson | Does anyone know how to get the new Content::GeneratePDF handler to include query string parameters? I'm trying to use it to save SQL report output that can be filterd by user-entered params? | 23:21 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 17:22 |
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| scrottie | mornin' | 20:25 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:38 |
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| elnino | is there a way for the packages NOT to display in the admin bar? | 21:23 |
| elnino | I want them to remain packages, but I don't want content managers to be clicking on them. | 21:24 |
| sbaur | make them packages in a version tag and don't commit that version tag? | 21:32 |
| elnino | clever idea | 21:32 |
| sbaur | of course you'll have to keep your CMs from not clicking into the version tag | 21:32 |
| sbaur | don't know if uncommitted tags might cause issues with future upgrades tho | 21:33 |
| elnino | i'm not really sure why one would want packages showing upin the admin bar. Prototypes make more sense to be there to me. | 21:33 |
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| SquOnk | Greetings everyone. | 22:07 |
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| sbaur | i need to delete a versiontag by hand in the db. Trying to interact with it in the gui is throwing errors because it's looking for info in a custom table that doesn't exist | 23:03 |
| sbaur | what tables do I need to check to make sure all traces are gone? | 23:03 |
| sbaur | i have asset, assetData and assetVersionTag done | 23:03 |
| scrottie | what's it throwing errors on? deleting that may be the easist thing to do | 23:11 |
| scrottie | but... if you do want to manually delete everything in a version tag... hang on | 23:12 |
| sbaur | there were 2 assets in the version tag, neither of which are needed | 23:15 |
| sbaur | it threw a nasty error because it was looking for a table EmailManager (part of our custom code that was in the db of where we started our dev process) Problem is, that table isn't part of this site, as we decided not to implement that kind of functionality. But, we didn't notice that we moved a versionTag over to production that was associated with that custom code. | 23:17 |
| sbaur | at least, that's my best guess :-) | 23:17 |
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| scrottie | really, anything that's a delete function should be robust. | 23:21 |
| scrottie | if someone wants to delete stuff to clean up a mess, they should be able to. | 23:22 |
| scrottie | asset data can be spread over a lot of tables... it depends | 23:22 |
| scrottie | but *probably* at most it'll have stuff the table for the custom asset, wobject, assetData, and asset (and assetVersionTag) | 23:23 |
| sbaur | there wasn't anything in wobject that i could find and the custom table doesn't actually exist, so i think i'm good | 23:25 |
| sbaur | thanks scrottie | 23:25 |
| scrottie | https://gist.github.com/1235931 | 23:25 |
| scrottie | sorry, should have mentioned I was compiling a gist | 23:26 |
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| SDuensin | FrIdAy! | 17:40 |
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| SquOnk | Greetings. | 18:53 |
| sbaur | Hi SquOnk | 18:54 |
| SquOnk | sbaur: Hi there | 18:54 |
| ckotil | anyone have a feedback system in place for articles similiar to how the wiki does it? | 19:06 |
| xootom | very good!! | 19:12 |
| xootom | yep looks great | 19:12 |
| xootom | i wonder how the layout can be squished to fit | 19:12 |
| xootom | a couple of thoughts, could the boxes show lines across representing the lesson intervals | 19:13 |
| xootom | also changing the length should maybe snap to increments, e.g. hourly for 60 min durations | 19:14 |
| xootom | sorry guys had the wrong tab selected ignore all that!! | 19:16 |
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| CIA-49 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rec00e86 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Remove bad template code from calendar search template. Fixes bug #12256 - http://git.io/QeIZ7w | 23:01 |
| scrottie | hey, wait.. | 23:06 |
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| ckotil | something clunky i noticed today. drag and drop rearrangement of content is done within an ajax call. So the page isn't refreshed and you don't appear to have a version tag. But you DO! maybe we can have drag n drop's actually refresh the page? | 00:06 |
| ckotil | something to think about over the weekend. have a good one everyone. | 00:07 |
| sbaur | i may get a chance to try out xootom's upload directory cleaner script later today...w00t! | 00:12 |
| sbaur | on a site that is tarring up to 7+ GB | 00:13 |
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| elnino | anyone here? I have a quick something I need a second pair of eyes on. | 02:15 |
| elnino | if you go to http://www.facebook.com/pages/WebGUI/80473765479 - what is the top post you see? | 02:15 |
| xootom | hi, im here, it's resizing images | 02:16 |
| elnino | because, at first, I see the latest blog posts as I think I should (iimage resizeing) | 02:16 |
| elnino | but as I sit there, right before my eyes, fb refreshes | 02:16 |
| elnino | and I see old posts from jan 11 | 02:16 |
| elnino | is it only happening to me? | 02:16 |
| elnino | fb really is messing with me. | 02:16 |
| xootom | 7th one down is from jan 11 | 02:17 |
| elnino | I can send screen shots | 02:17 |
| elnino | 1/11 is the top post, and the resizeing images is NOWHERE to be seen for me anymore. | 02:17 |
| elnino | very frustrated. | 02:17 |
| sbaur | easiest way to get around it: create a group of all your friends, then tell facebook to only display posts from that group. as of a few days ago, it worked | 02:18 |
| xootom | isn't that to do with your newsfeed on your home page | 02:18 |
| elnino | I'm on webgui's page, I can't control what I see there.... | 02:18 |
| elnino | I'm not looking at my page. | 02:19 |
| elnino | is there a site I can post a screen shot? | 02:19 |
| xootom | post the photo to the wg page? | 02:19 |
| sbaur | yes, that was for a person's news feed, sorry | 02:19 |
| elnino | no, so you can see what I'm seeing. | 02:19 |
| elnino | kinda like pastebin | 02:19 |
| sbaur | but it's not "refreshing" for me, wonder if that's because i'm not logged in | 02:20 |
| elnino | i'm loggedin. | 02:20 |
| xootom | can't you upload the screen shot as a photo on the webgui page | 02:20 |
| elnino | I suppose, you really want it there? | 02:20 |
| sbaur | have a great weekend everyone | 02:21 |
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| xootom | i guess it can be deleted afterwards | 02:21 |
| elnino | ok. I posted it there. | 02:23 |
| elnino | So. this is the frustrating as well. I don't see my posts. If i click on "everyone (most recent)" I see my posts. | 02:23 |
| xootom | i dont see your photo | 02:24 |
| elnino | if I clcik on "webgui" I see what I should see | 02:24 |
| elnino | you have to click on "everyone (most recent) | 02:25 |
| xootom | ah got it | 02:25 |
| elnino | ok. so http://www.facebook.com/pages/WebGUI/80473765479?sk=wall shows me resizing images | 02:27 |
| elnino | http://www.facebook.com/pages/WebGUI/80473765479 this initially shows me resizing images but then refreshes to 1/11/11 | 02:27 |
| elnino | if I click on "webgui" I get this url, and I see http://www.facebook.com/pages/WebGUI/80473765479?sk=wall&filter=2 | 02:27 |
| xootom | that's strange, tried different browsers? | 02:28 |
| elnino | it intially shows me resizeing and then refreshes to 1/11/11 | 02:29 |
| elnino | I'm using firefox 6 | 02:29 |
| elnino | the other alternative I have is ie6 | 02:29 |
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| elnino | so, do you see what I see? | 02:29 |
| elnino | xootom? | 02:29 |
| xootom | I understand what's happening but no idea why it's refreshing | 02:30 |
| elnino | so you DO see it? | 02:30 |
| elnino | I'm not crazy? | 02:30 |
| xootom | only on your screenshot :) | 02:30 |
| elnino | darn. | 02:30 |
| xootom | with the recent activity, webgui edited their founded etc, i wonder when that relates to | 02:31 |
| elnino | I can video it, it's like there are ads running in the background.. I see it in the bottom left corner before it refreshes, let me seeif I can type it out really quick. | 02:31 |
| elnino | fbcdn.com is the domain causing it to refresh | 02:31 |
| xootom | sounds like their content delivery network, probably just where their files are stored | 02:32 |
| elnino | are you an admin on this site | 02:32 |
| xootom | no | 02:32 |
| elnino | well, anyway, this is in response to those bug reports that you responded to., | 02:32 |
| xootom | with all the facebook changes - maybe your browser has old javascript cached or something? | 02:33 |
| elnino | I was frustraed that I didn't see the blog content on facebook | 02:33 |
| elnino | hence the bug report. | 02:33 |
| xootom | ahh that explains it, it was from before the facebook updates then? | 02:33 |
| elnino | I posted the ticket before I upgraded browsers too. | 02:33 |
| elnino | yes. | 02:33 |
| xootom | can you log into facebook as anyone else on your machine | 02:34 |
| elnino | so it appears the same thign is happending now, as it did back when I posted the ticket. | 02:34 |
| elnino | no. | 02:34 |
| elnino | let me try ie6 | 02:34 |
| elnino | OOOOOHHHHHH. | 02:35 |
| elnino | darn. I really liked that. I have a grease monkey script running. to remove all the external ads. I removed that and firefox works fine. | 02:36 |
| xootom | ahh so it was filtering out stuff as spammy | 02:37 |
| elnino | it should have only been doing the right hand stuff on the side. but yeah, I guess, that may be what it was doing... that's frustrating, because it was doing a good job getting rid of the stuff on the sides. | 02:38 |
| elnino | oooh. pizza is here. gotta go. I'm glad i figured this out. Thanks for listening xootom!!! | 02:38 |
| xootom | adblock plus works fine for me | 02:38 |
| xootom | no worries :) | 02:38 |
| elnino | is adblock a greasemonkey script? | 02:39 |
| xootom | no just a firefox addon | 02:39 |
| elnino | ok i'll look at that. thanks! | 02:40 |
| elnino | bye | 02:40 |
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| kthakore | hallo? | 17:32 |
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| scrottie | hello, kthakore. | 18:50 |
| scrottie | how's stuff? | 18:50 |
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| SquOnk | Greetings | 19:43 |
| SquOnk | Need some help. After upgrading from 7.9.34 to 7.10.23 I have an Apache process taking 1.4Gb of RAM. | 19:43 |
| SquOnk | spectre shows a couple of workflows that run for a while but then get suspended with a 'comm error' | 19:44 |
| SquOnk | After a while, spectre tries again, the huge apache process appears, and then it gets suspended again. | 19:44 |
| SquOnk | Nothing special in webgui.log | 19:45 |
| SquOnk | :( | 19:51 |
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| scrottie | we really need a message bot here. | 22:26 |
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| scrottie | return 0 unless ($user && ref $user eq "WebGUI::User"); #Sanity checks | 01:50 |
| scrottie | NO! Wrong! Bad programmer! | 01:50 |
| scrottie | $user->isa('WebGUI::User'); # let people subclass stuff, for crying out loud | 01:50 |
| * scrottie vents | 01:50 | |
| * scrottie writes unit tests | 03:20 | |
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| +perlDreamer | scrottie, when passed arbitrary content, methods have to validate their arguments | 22:52 |
| +perlDreamer | and calling $user->isa on something that's undef would be bad | 22:52 |
| +perlDreamer | now, $user && blessed $user && $user->isa('WebGUI::User') would be better | 22:52 |
| +perlDreamer | but it's longer than what's there | 22:52 |
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| CIA-49 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r45b5370 / (3 files in 2 dirs): Allow Passive Analytics to scale to analyzing millions of log entries without nuking MySQL in the process. More thorough test cleanup. - http://git.io/seSbtA | 04:47 |
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| SquOnk | Greetings. | 00:41 |
| scrottie | hey. | 01:14 |
| scrottie | you asked a question over the weekend but vanished before I saw it. | 01:14 |
| SquOnk | scrottie: Probably... | 01:14 |
| scrottie | it seemed kind of important. or am I thinking of someone else? | 01:14 |
| SquOnk | scrottie: I have another question though :) | 01:14 |
| SquOnk | Two actually | 01:15 |
| SquOnk | One is #12176 | 01:15 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer said he was going to look at it. | 01:15 |
| SquOnk | It was a bug in 7.9 and still a bug in 7.10 | 01:15 |
| scrottie | ah, if perlDreamer is on it, I won't duplicate effort. | 01:16 |
| SquOnk | scrottie: Well, I certainly hope perlDreamer is on it :) | 01:18 |
| SquOnk | The other question is a little trickier. | 01:18 |
| SquOnk | Let me explain the use case and see what you think. | 01:18 |
| SquOnk | There is a "main page", let's call it Main. | 01:19 |
| SquOnk | That page has five or six shortcuts from "top to bottom" placed by the site editors according to the relevance of said content. | 01:19 |
| scrottie | Me Tarzan; page Main. got it. | 01:19 |
| SquOnk | There is an "alternate page", let's call it Lean. | 01:20 |
| SquOnk | Now, Lean must have *exactly* the same content as Main, but with simpler templates. | 01:20 |
| SquOnk | My initial idea has to have Lean be a Shortcut to Main's Page Layout... | 01:20 |
| SquOnk | ...with an overriding Page Layout template. | 01:21 |
| scrottie | hrm. | 01:21 |
| SquOnk | But then, the Shortcuts listen in Lean via the Shortcut to Main will still have whatever overrides they have in the main page and those might need changing too. | 01:22 |
| SquOnk | (crazy stuff journalist do thinking they're smarter, go figure) | 01:22 |
| SquOnk | Another stab at it was to have Lean be built around an Asset Report. | 01:22 |
| SquOnk | Said Asset Report would take Shortcuts that are children of the Main page (thanks to a local patch that includes parentId in Asset Reports filters)... | 01:23 |
| SquOnk | ...but they don't show up with the same placement because there's no such thing as 'order by rank in container' that I can use in the Asset Report. | 01:23 |
| SquOnk | I still think the Shortcut-to-Layout solution is better. | 01:23 |
| scrottie | "the Shortcuts listen in Lean via the Shortcut to Main will still have whatever overrides they have in the main page"... I'm not following this | 01:24 |
| scrottie | what's going on there? | 01:24 |
| SquOnk | I went through the "use a Mobile Template on Main to get Lean to look like you want" but they don't want that because they already use Mobile Template por other purposes. | 01:24 |
| SquOnk | listed* | 01:25 |
| SquOnk | Lean is a Shortcut to Main's Page Layout | 01:25 |
| SquOnk | But Main is a bunch of Shortcuts | 01:25 |
| SquOnk | Lean can override Main's Page Layout (that's good) | 01:25 |
| scrottie | alright | 01:25 |
| SquOnk | But Lean can't override Main Shortcutted stuff (that's not that good for these people) | 01:25 |
| SquOnk | By having Lean as a Shortcut to Main's Page Layout, I can provide the exact content and order. | 01:26 |
| SquOnk | Maybe if I hit them with my LART | 01:26 |
| scrottie | so the shortcut from Lean to Main works, but the problem is that the content that gets included by way shortcuts from there looks the same? | 01:27 |
| scrottie | you want a shortcut that overrides the template *and* overrides templates for items within the page...? | 01:27 |
| scrottie | I still don't understand what's happening that shouldn't, or what isn't happening that should. | 01:30 |
| SquOnk | Yes, the Lean to Main works, but these people also want to change some of the inside Shortcuts. | 01:37 |
| SquOnk | The Asset Report solution would work if there were means (albeit weird) of finding out the position of a particular Asset within it's container. | 01:37 |
| SquOnk | I'm still pushing the Shortcut to Layout solution. | 01:38 |
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| sbaur | SquOnk it almost sounds like Lean should just be a separate page layout, with a second set of shortcuts on it. overridden appropriately. but that might be a confusing maintenance nightmare for your content folks | 02:03 |
| SquOnk | sbaur: That's exactly what they don't want. | 02:03 |
| sbaur | why am i not surprised :-D | 02:04 |
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| scrottie | he could terribly abuse HTML::Template::Expr to set package-global variables and inspect them... | 02:26 |
| scrottie | really, if one version of the site is "lite", it should be a matter of style sheets./ | 02:27 |
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| CIA-49 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rf33c19d / (docs/gotcha.txt sbin/testEnvironment.pl): Bump the module version for Business::OnlinePayment::AuthorizeNet to make WebGUI install the version that will automatically install. - http://git.io/x4Dp2Q | 20:00 |
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| scrottie | mornin' andy | 23:59 |
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| SquOnk | Greetings. | 00:21 |
| SquOnk | I upgraded from 7.9.34 to 7.10.23 and all of the sudden, my users can't fill the extra Metadata fields. Only the Admin user has access to them. | 00:21 |
| SquOnk | Did I miss something? | 00:21 |
| scrottie | hrm. | 00:30 |
| SquOnk | scrottie: Hey there. | 00:30 |
| scrottie | heya. | 00:30 |
| SquOnk | scrottie: Any ideas? | 00:30 |
| scrottie | I've had my nose in other things (and generally do) than wG7 bugfixes and versions. sorry. | 00:30 |
| scrottie | talk to perlDreamer. who isn't here. | 00:30 |
| scrottie | so, post something. | 00:31 |
| SquOnk | scrottie: Will do | 00:31 |
| SquOnk | I love Apache error logs | 00:31 |
| SquOnk | [warn] long lost child came home! (pid 21613) | 00:31 |
| SquOnk | Isn't that nice? | 00:31 |
| scrottie | re: your shortcut-to-layout-of-shortcuts, can this be solved with CSS? can you include CSS in each possible layout that styles the exact same content differently? | 00:32 |
| scrottie | cute. | 00:33 |
| SquOnk | scrottie: Not really. The problem is somewhat hairier because of (who else?) user stupidity. | 00:33 |
| SquOnk | scrottie: The thing is this people made *ads* movable objects by embedding them in snippets. | 00:33 |
| SquOnk | scrottie: So they have *ads* and all sort of "shouldn't be there things" mixed with actual editable content... | 00:34 |
| scrottie | CSS can hide things entirely. | 00:34 |
| SquOnk | scrottie: True. But they don't want them hidden. | 00:34 |
| scrottie | class="only_on_main_page" ... class="only_on_lean_page" ... class="on_both_pages" | 00:34 |
| scrottie | if they're hidden, how will they even know that they're there? | 00:35 |
| SquOnk | scrottie: Yeah, but they find new problems to perfect solutions. | 00:35 |
| SquOnk | scrottie: It's being handled properly: get your Ads into the style templeate, and have only editable content in the page. | 00:35 |
| SquOnk | scrottie: The order will "come from above" | 00:36 |
| SquOnk | ...if you know what I mean. | 00:36 |
| scrottie | again, you've lost me. | 00:37 |
| scrottie | you want the exact same set of shortcuts on both pages | 00:37 |
| scrottie | or rather you want two views of the same page | 00:38 |
| scrottie | this stuff about some of them not being there isn't consistent with that | 00:38 |
| SquOnk | brb | 00:39 |
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| SquOnk | The Metadata problem seems to be permission related. | 01:18 |
| SquOnk | With Admin and any user in Admins, I can see and fill custom metadata fields. | 01:18 |
| SquOnk | Any other user can't | 01:18 |
| SquOnk | That wasn't the case in the past. | 01:18 |
| scrottie | yeah, talk to perlDreamer. the best way to do that is to post on the user forum or open a bug ticket. | 01:27 |
| SquOnk | scrottie: Oh, I think I figured it out. | 01:28 |
| SquOnk | scrottie: In the past Metadata fields applied to *everything* on the system. Starting on 7.10 you have to state which Assets will include a particular metadata field. | 01:28 |
| SquOnk | scrottie: After the upgrade, the fields are disabled for all Assets. | 01:29 |
| SquOnk | Well, gotta go | 01:31 |
| SquOnk | See you guys later. | 01:31 |
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| scrottie | later! | 01:31 |
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| andyiomoon | morning/afternoon/evening gang wherever you may be... | 03:53 |
| andyiomoon | I am trying to be a good little developer and install a local copy of the wre on my macbook pro - and I have managed to get a long way down the road | 03:55 |
| andyiomoon | I can fire up the wreconsole and I can even get most of my services to run... with the exception of modperl :( | 03:55 |
| andyiomoon | I don't suppose anyone has some experience in this area they can share? | 03:56 |
| andyiomoon | When I try to restart modperl I get | 04:01 |
| andyiomoon | Modperl did not restart successfully. Modperl received error code 500 with message An Error Occurred 500 Can't connect to localhost:8081 (connect: Connection refused) at ./wreconsole.pl line 988 WARNING: Because you are not an administrator on this machine, you will not be able to start or stop services on ports 1-1024. | 04:01 |
| andyiomoon | The not an administrator part is confusing as I am logged in as an admin on my laptop... | 04:02 |
| scrottie | I'm not particularly familiar with OSX, but in this case, I think you still have to do: sudo wreservice.pl --start modperl | 04:22 |
| scrottie | and then it'll ask you for your password then. | 04:22 |
| scrottie | the easier thing to do would be to edit the various .conf files to use a high numbered port. | 04:23 |
| scrottie | eg 8000, 8080 | 04:23 |
| scrottie | everything should run fine with user permissions aside from that one thing. | 04:24 |
| andyiomoon | thanks Scott - I will give your suggestions a shot | 04:28 |
| * scrottie is on OSX 10.3 Panther. | 04:28 | |
| andyiomoon | I am a leopard man, myself :) | 04:29 |
| andyiomoon | sudo or no sudo trying to start modperl keeps failing | 04:34 |
| andyiomoon | dhcp77-25:sbin andysmith$ sudo ./wreservice.pl --start modperl Start mod_perl: FAILED! | 04:34 |
| andyiomoon | and I notice I don't have a testEnvironment.pl in my sbin | 04:36 |
| scrottie | you should have a /data/wre/sbin and a /data/WebGUI/sbin, at least | 04:36 |
| scrottie | testEnvironment.pl would be in the latter | 04:36 |
| andyiomoon | ahh | 04:37 |
| scrottie | are you using some wre? | 04:37 |
| scrottie | is there an OSX one? I know I've heard preaction talk about building one but that doesn't mean it got released. | 04:37 |
| andyiomoon | I am | 04:37 |
| andyiomoon | and there is | 04:37 |
| andyiomoon | http://sourceforge.net/projects/pbwebgui/files/WebGUI%20Runtime%20Environment/WRE%200.9.3/wre-0.9.3-osx-10.5-ia32.tar.gz/download | 04:38 |
| andyiomoon | testEnvironment tells me I have a whole bunch of stuff missing - so let me fix that all up and see how I go from there | 04:39 |
| scrottie | that makes sense. and that's usually where it gets interesting. | 04:40 |
| andyiomoon | not a lot of joy installing missing components via cpan... I can see this could be very messy but I might pick this up again from home to rule the stingy Swinburne network out of the picture | 04:49 |
| andyiomoon | thanks for pushing me a little further down the path though, Scott | 04:49 |
| scrottie | sure thing, andyiomoon | 04:50 |
| scrottie | at this point, I myself tend to fetch cpanm from http://cpanmin.us, chmod ugo+x it, mv it /data/wre/prereqs/bin, and then use it to try to install modules that won't go | 04:51 |
| scrottie | cpanm What::Ever | 04:51 |
| scrottie | then with --verbose and finally --force as necessary. if something is only failing a few tests and its holding things up, I --force it without too much thought. | 04:51 |
| scrottie | often the module that won't build and install isn't the one requested but instead a dependency of it. | 04:52 |
| andyiomoon | ok - that gives me something to work on - thanks | 04:59 |
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| andyiomoon | I have a runaway workflow on our prod site atm - can anyone help with a method for killing it? | 07:46 |
| andyiomoon | it's chewing up diskspace and resources at a great rate | 07:47 |
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| doc_gt7 | Hello everyone. We use email validation for creating user accounts and a lot of people will use some fake email address which leads to deactivated accounts building up. Is there an easier way to remove them, possibly automated... than clicking each account by hand. I am looking at 150. | 17:28 |
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| +BartJol | doc_gt7: I wouldn't know a generic function for it at the moment | 18:09 |
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| doc_gt7 | It seems that I used to have a DB query that I ran but lost it over the years. This would be a really nice workflow to have run once a week. Remove Deactivated users. :) | 18:14 |
| +BartJol | mmm | 18:24 |
| +BartJol | doc_gt7: there is a delete user workflow, I suspect you can select deactivated users withh that | 18:25 |
| +BartJol | not sure how to config that | 18:26 |
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| doc_gt7 | I am looking at that delete user workflow but the only option is "Save" lol, to be sure there is a way to select who I would want to delete :) | 18:45 |
| +BartJol | yeah, I saw that, probably there is somehow to trigger it, not sure how | 18:51 |
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| scrottie | doc_gt7, probably but I don't know offhand and I'm not really here at the moment. post on the forums on webgui.org...? or catch me tomorrow? | 19:50 |
| +perlDreamer | doc_gt7: there's an ExpireUnvalidatedEmailUsers.pm Workflow activity that has the right kind of name | 20:01 |
| +perlDreamer | it's not setup in any of the default maintenance workflos | 20:01 |
| +perlDreamer | but you could probably add another Workflow that just contained it | 20:01 |
| +perlDreamer | and add it to a Scheduler/cron job inside WebGUI | 20:01 |
| +perlDreamer | and have it do the clean-up for you | 20:02 |
| doc_gt7 | thanks perlDreamer. I am looking into ExpireUnvalidatedEmailUsers now. Looks like a perfect solution. | 21:07 |
| doc_gt7 | It worked. I added ExpireUnvalidatedEmailUsers to the daily tasks and ran it. It cleared them all out. Thanks a lot! ;) | 21:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | haarg, if someone had forked a site and made changes to an asset on one site but not another, and I wanted to do this: wgd for-each --wgd="export --stdout=$CONFIG_NAME" would that work? | 22:00 |
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| CIA-49 | webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r7789103 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Event.pm : use getStyleTemplateId so mobile styles are obeyed. - http://git.io/T_r02A | 22:21 |
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| knowmad | hi folks, I'm looking for some help processing form submissions in a custom wobject | 23:54 |
| +perlDreamer | knowmad, you're using $session->form ? | 23:56 |
| knowmad | the session params don't appear to pass a '0' literal through to my wobjectg | 23:56 |
| knowmad | perlDreamer: yes | 23:56 |
| +perlDreamer | what kind of form plugin? | 23:56 |
| knowmad | no plugin, just a hand-coded form | 23:57 |
| knowmad | i'll add that right now i'm in test mode so there's the pseudorequest in the middle | 23:57 |
| +perlDreamer | can you paste the HTML and the form processing code? | 23:57 |
| +perlDreamer | there could very well be a bug in pseudorequest | 23:57 |
| +perlDreamer | but I'd like to see the test code and the wobject code before committing to that ;) | 23:58 |
| knowmad | ok, that's also been my suspicion; i'll review the code | 23:58 |
| knowmad | sure, i'll paste it to pastebin & ping you back | 23:58 |
| knowmad | you won't be able to run it without some extra work though... | 23:58 |
| mech422 | perlDreamer: hey pd - got time for a stupid question ? | 23:59 |
| +perlDreamer | bring it, mech422 | 23:59 |
| mech422 | kk - I got a collaboration sysem being used as a news blog... | 23:59 |
| --- Day changed Fri Sep 30 2011 | ||
| mech422 | the newest 5 stories get 'special' treatment, and then there's a list of 'other' top stories... | 00:00 |
| mech422 | problem is - how do I get just entries 5-10 of a CS for the 'other' category ? | 00:00 |
| knowmad | here's the wobject code -- http://pastebin.com/65CrJKq5 | 00:00 |
| knowmad | and here's the test code -- http://pastebin.com/7ixP6gm5 | 00:00 |
| knowmad | those are snippets of the code that are relevant to the discussion | 00:01 |
| +perlDreamer | mech422, let me finish up knowmad's topic, then I'll be back to you | 00:01 |
| mech422 | so far, all I've come up with is pull the first 10 stories, then use __counter__ in the loop to assign css id's with 'display:none' ? | 00:01 |
| mech422 | cool - no rush | 00:01 |
| mech422 | btw - shortcut objects + ^assetproxy ROCK :-) | 00:02 |
| +perlDreamer | knowmad, sample output? | 00:02 |
| +perlDreamer | from the test? | 00:02 |
| knowmad | perlDreamer: it looks like i'm getting the '0' values coming into the request -- http://pastebin.com/rcFrK544 | 00:02 |
| knowmad | that's a partial of the dump of session->form | 00:03 |
| knowmad | but here's what's in $entryData -- http://pastebin.com/6d1b407t | 00:03 |
| knowmad | perlDreamer: if I change the input in my test script to '00', it passes through fine | 00:05 |
| knowmad | which is bizarre | 00:06 |
| +perlDreamer | Yup, check this test out: http://gist.github.com/1251950 | 00:07 |
| +perlDreamer | tests 1 and 2 fail | 00:07 |
| +perlDreamer | so passing a literal 0 seems to be problematic | 00:07 |
| knowmad | i'm thinking this is how the body() method in pseudorequest is handling data; playing with it | 00:08 |
| +perlDreamer | http://gist.github.com/1251955 | 00:08 |
| +perlDreamer | have a peek at that | 00:08 |
| knowmad | go ahead & help mech422 | 00:08 |
| +perlDreamer | it causes my quick little hacked up test to pass | 00:09 |
| knowmad | looking... | 00:09 |
| knowmad | nice, that's where I was looking... let me patch my lib and get right back to you | 00:09 |
| +perlDreamer | definedness vs truthiness, you'd think I'd have learned that when I wrote pseudorequest | 00:09 |
| knowmad | those always sneak up on ya! | 00:09 |
| +perlDreamer | I know! | 00:09 |
| +perlDreamer | mech422, using HTML::Template is really limiting, since you can't do inline logic | 00:10 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd switch to using Template::Toolkit, or if you must, HTML::Template::Expr | 00:10 |
| mech422 | perlDreamer: yeah - probably more then I want ot get into right now... | 00:10 |
| mech422 | I can use __counter__ in the display loop to assign css id's with the loop counter in the number: item1, item2...item11 | 00:11 |
| +perlDreamer | sure, but that gets ugly pretty fast | 00:11 |
| mech422 | true | 00:11 |
| +perlDreamer | there's an automatic HTML::Template to Template::Toolkit converter in the wiki | 00:11 |
| +perlDreamer | it will do the hard work, then you'd need to add the conditional logic | 00:12 |
| knowmad | perlDreamer: that's much better! thanks | 00:12 |
| +perlDreamer | knowmad, it's worth rerunning the whole test suite to make sure it doesn't break something else | 00:12 |
| +perlDreamer | otherwise, we're just creating problems | 00:12 |
| knowmad | OK | 00:17 |
| +perlDreamer | my test run should done in just a bit | 00:26 |
| knowmad | i've run one which has several failures; i'm re-running it now with the original code to see if there's a difference | 00:26 |
| knowmad | i'm on v7.10.17 which is pretty old... | 00:27 |
| +perlDreamer | a core release should run clean for all tests | 00:31 |
| +perlDreamer | I check that on my laptop before each release | 00:31 |
| +perlDreamer | but there are instances of OS specific and other kinds of failures | 00:31 |
| knowmad | are you running Mac OS X? i'll try grabbing the latest 7.10 release and seeing if I can run the tests cleanly | 00:32 |
| knowmad | did your tests return cleanly? my failures with the original code are the same as with the change you posted to PseduoRequest | 00:33 |
| +perlDreamer | I have one test failing, but it was coded to work around the bug (expect undef instead of 0) | 00:38 |
| +perlDreamer | I think we're good to go to use this | 00:38 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll add it to 7.10.24 | 00:38 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks knowmad! | 00:40 |
| CIA-49 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rc17d9aa / (t/Asset/EMSSubmissionForm.t t/lib/WebGUI/PseudoRequest.pm): Allow PseudoRequest to handle 0 and '' correctly. Kudos to knowmad for pointing this behavior out. - http://git.io/o0-dZg | 00:41 |
| knowmad | excellent! thanks for the quick fix | 00:41 |
| +perlDreamer | you're welcome :) | 00:43 |
| +perlDreamer | In WebGUI8, I'm pretty sure that PseudoRequest is deprecated in favor of using Plack::Test and similar tools | 00:45 |
| knowmad | i expect you're glad to have more of the framework stuff moving off to other libraries for support ;) | 00:48 |
| knowmad | i'm liking what i've seen of Plack so far; i'm still a beginner but have used mojolicious for a quick script to monitor WRE status -- http://labs.knowmad.com/2011/09/discovering-mojolicious.html | 00:49 |
| +perlDreamer | nice! | 00:49 |
| +perlDreamer | you like that better than the wremonitor? | 00:49 |
| knowmad | no, i still use wremonitor which is great for unattended monitoring | 00:50 |
| knowmad | the mojo server lets me pull up the status of WRE scripts on my cellphone! | 00:50 |
| knowmad | i have plans to add additional info to the output such as spectre status and top output | 00:50 |
| +perlDreamer | cool | 00:51 |
| knowmad | yeah, a simple way to let me have peace of mind while i'm out of the office and get an alert from one of my monitors | 00:51 |
| knowmad | btw, i found an odd behavior to wremonitor | 00:51 |
| +perlDreamer | what's that? | 00:51 |
| +perlDreamer | I usually setup the wremonitor to email me when there's a problem | 00:52 |
| knowmad | one of our new websites, www.jcsu.edu, was getting reset pretty regularly | 00:52 |
| +perlDreamer | modperl reset, or modproxy reset? | 00:52 |
| knowmad | i noticed in the logs that whenever the reset happened there was a MaxClients exceeded warning in the logs | 00:52 |
| knowmad | modproxy | 00:52 |
| knowmad | we never had a report of problems from the client | 00:53 |
| +perlDreamer | you might want to check that when that happens that you're not swapping | 00:53 |
| knowmad | who would be quick to report outages | 00:53 |
| knowmad | yeah, we looked into it and then kept upping the maxclients setting until it has finally gone away at 800 | 00:53 |
| +perlDreamer | 800 clients? | 00:53 |
| knowmad | the weird thing is that wremonitor tests connectivity twice | 00:53 |
| knowmad | yeah, that's what it wanted to stop the warning in the logs | 00:54 |
| +perlDreamer | and that also stopped the wremonitor reset? | 00:54 |
| knowmad | when apache doesn't respond, it sends a reset and a warning message | 00:54 |
| haarg | perlDreamer, in 8 PseudoRequest is gone entirely | 00:54 |
| +perlDreamer | even better, haarg :) | 00:55 |
| knowmad | yeah, because our thinking is that wremonitor is polling the server and not getting a reply because it's serving other clients | 00:55 |
| knowmad | so wremonitor sends the reset which happens pretty instantaneously since it's the proxy server | 00:55 |
| knowmad | the site is down for probably less than a second but created the fear that it had crashed and was being restarted | 00:55 |
| knowmad | that's the odd behavior as it really wasn't crashed, it just wasn't available to respond | 00:56 |
| +perlDreamer | is this a heavily trafficked site? | 00:56 |
| knowmad | makes me think there could be some further logic in the monitor to check for the modproxy daemon | 00:56 |
| knowmad | yes and it has lots of collateral that loads when you open a page | 00:56 |
| +perlDreamer | perhaps, but if a process on the same server can't talk to modproxy | 00:57 |
| +perlDreamer | the odds are that outside clients can't either | 00:57 |
| knowmad | so clients that run threaded processes are probably hitting it multiple times per visitor | 00:57 |
| knowmad | yeah, but the difference is between it being unavailable vs down | 00:57 |
| knowmad | i know that's subtle distinction | 00:57 |
| knowmad | but it really was a false positive if wremonitor had waited another few seconds or given the request more time to be processed (not sure how long it waits for a reply) | 00:58 |
| +perlDreamer | it uses LWP::UserAgent to talk to modproxy with a timeout of 3 minutes | 00:59 |
| +perlDreamer | which is a very long time | 00:59 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd say there's something else going on | 00:59 |
| knowmad | yeah, that is a long time | 01:00 |
| knowmad | we're not seeing any performance issues on the server even with maxclients set at 800; it's not using swap space | 01:00 |
| knowmad | i'm really not sure how to go about further debugging to figure out what's going on; the site receives between 4-5k visitors per day which is larger than our other wG installs but doesn't seem super-heavy | 01:02 |
| +perlDreamer | 4-5K/day is much less than 1 page/second | 01:03 |
| knowmad | yeah, it's weird | 01:03 |
| mech422 | we do about 10K visitors/day on our wG setup... | 01:31 |
| mech422 | I ended up putting nginx + varnish in front to improve the performance as the db queries really hurt | 01:32 |
| mech422 | runs really smooth now | 01:32 |
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| knowmad | mech422: thanks for the suggestion; if we continue to have problems with modproxy, i'll look into that idea | 01:51 |
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| knowmad | perlDreamer: i've run tests on a clean copy of 7.10.23 with a new site; all tests except for t/Pluggable.t pass | 02:23 |
| +perlDreamer | Pluggable.t ? | 02:23 |
| +perlDreamer | what's the failure there? | 02:24 |
| knowmad | getting there... | 02:24 |
| +perlDreamer | when I ran it on 7.10.24-pre it was clean aside from the things that I had to fix | 02:24 |
| knowmad | not ok 16 - find() with exclude with massive glob | 02:25 |
| knowmad | # Failed test 'find() with exclude with massive glob' | 02:25 |
| knowmad | # at t/Pluggable.t line 120. | 02:25 |
| knowmad | # Compared array length of $data | 02:25 |
| knowmad | # got : array with 662 element(s) | 02:25 |
| knowmad | # expect : array with 0 element(s) | 02:25 |
| +perlDreamer | whoa | 02:25 |
| +perlDreamer | does it run the same way without the patch? | 02:25 |
| knowmad | that is without the patch | 02:25 |
| knowmad | i patched another version - 7.10.17 | 02:25 |
| knowmad | i'm looking at Pluggable.t but i don't understand this test that is failing; it's returning results but the test is failing b/c it's not expecting results | 02:27 |
| knowmad | what OS are you testing under? I'm on Ubuntu 11.04 with WRE 0.9.3 | 02:28 |
| +perlDreamer | Ubuntu 10.10 as a source install | 02:29 |
| +perlDreamer | oy | 02:30 |
| +perlDreamer | I know what's wrong | 02:30 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm using the git version | 02:30 |
| +perlDreamer | and I'm guessing you have a download? | 02:30 |
| knowmad | yup, i do | 02:30 |
| +perlDreamer | downloads have translations in WebGUI::i18n | 02:30 |
| +perlDreamer | so on a downloaded version there would be other i18n files | 02:30 |
| knowmad | so is this an invalid test? | 02:31 |
| +perlDreamer | the fact that it fails should not be of concern in this instance | 02:32 |
| +perlDreamer | and we should fix it if we can | 02:32 |
| knowmad | what's the value of it? | 02:32 |
| knowmad | it seems like we could just eliminate it | 02:32 |
| +perlDreamer | we need to test that the exclude works with Pluggable | 02:32 |
| knowmad | oh, is there another way to test? | 02:33 |
| knowmad | that doesn't rely on differences between git and release layouts | 02:33 |
| +perlDreamer | probably | 02:33 |
| knowmad | actually, this touches on one of the recent patches i sent in to allow pluggable to support custom dirs | 02:35 |
| knowmad | i know it's a hack, and there's a need for us to be able to load wobjects from custom dirs | 02:35 |
| +perlDreamer | via the command-line, right? | 02:35 |
| knowmad | no, via the /data/WebGUI/sbin/preload.custom | 02:36 |
| +perlDreamer | what I mean is, when WebGUI starts in apache/mod_perl, @INC includes preload.custom | 02:36 |
| +perlDreamer | but that doesn't happen in some of the utility scripts | 02:36 |
| +perlDreamer | you sent in a patch for installClass, correct? | 02:37 |
| knowmad | as well as Pluggable as it was failing | 02:37 |
| knowmad | let me pull my post up | 02:37 |
| +perlDreamer | as, well Pluggable also checks @INC | 02:37 |
| +perlDreamer | but setting @INC inside Pluggable isn't that good of an idea | 02:37 |
| +perlDreamer | since it would happen all the time | 02:37 |
| +perlDreamer | you need to set it in consumers (aka users/parents) of Pluggable | 02:38 |
| +perlDreamer | like the scripts | 02:38 |
| knowmad | http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/12251 | 02:38 |
| +perlDreamer | Yes, I've read that | 02:38 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd include the installClass patch in a heartbeat | 02:38 |
| knowmad | but that wasn't enough... | 02:39 |
| knowmad | i had to also make a change to Pluggable | 02:39 |
| knowmad | in order to get installClass to work | 02:39 |
| +perlDreamer | we didn't have to make those kinds of changes to make findBrokenAssets work, right? | 02:40 |
| knowmad | no, i don't believe so | 02:40 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe I should do some testing instead of IM'ing ;) | 02:40 |
| knowmad | i'll test again with this latest codebase | 02:40 |
| knowmad | ditto ;) | 02:40 |
| knowmad | ok, i'm going to get some dinner; will follow-up later | 02:40 |
| knowmad | ttyl | 02:40 |
| +perlDreamer | see ya :) | 02:40 |
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| elnino | hi! anyone here? | 06:49 |
| scrottie | yes. | 06:49 |
| elnino | Hi! | 06:49 |
| scrottie | hey. | 06:49 |
| elnino | I made a prototype of a pagelayout, with some children assets. | 06:49 |
| elnino | I thought I was able to do that..... but it only makes the pagelayout when I click on it from the Prototypes menu in the admin bar.... | 06:50 |
| elnino | am I dreaming? | 06:50 |
| elnino | make sense? | 06:50 |
| scrottie | prototype...? | 06:51 |
| elnino | btw, are you in the US? | 06:51 |
| scrottie | yeah | 06:51 |
| elnino | yeah, prototype vs package. | 06:51 |
| elnino | prototypes are *supposed* to allow you to be able to "preconfigure" assets | 06:51 |
| scrottie | I'm weak on the content management side, still. | 06:52 |
| elnino | so that you canjust click on it from the left, and it creates it for you. and I thought it supported children assets too. | 06:52 |
| elnino | oh. ok. | 06:52 |
| scrottie | you could create packages that include children... prototypes I know nothing about | 06:52 |
| elnino | it's acool thing when it works. =) | 06:52 |
| elnino | yeah, maybe I got them mixed up. | 06:52 |
| elnino | http://www.webgui.org/content-managers-guide-wiki/prototypes | 06:53 |
| elnino | hmm. I suppose I have to use package in this case. | 06:57 |
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| elnino | hmm. I have a sql report to list my events, but, I'm unclear as to how to specify which calendar I want the events queried from.... | 07:18 |
| elnino | ideas? | 07:18 |
| scrottie | sorry, running out the door. catch me tomorrow? that leads to some questions too. | 07:26 |
| elnino | no problem. Have a great night! | 07:26 |
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| xootom | hi, is anyone around? | 12:51 |
| +BartJol | I am | 12:58 |
| +BartJol | but also tryng to get a server in a rack | 12:58 |
| xootom | ah hey :) | 13:02 |
| xootom | won't disturb you too much unless you have a 7.10 site to try something on quickly :) | 13:03 |
| xootom | just adding a shortcut to a dashboard... bombs out on my servers with Couldn't call method www_view on asset.. Root cause: Can't locate object method "getPrefsFieldToShow" via package "WebGUI::Asset::Shortcut" | 13:03 |
| +BartJol | xootom: if it is a default install that sounds like a bug | 13:06 |
| xootom | it's gone through lots of upgrades so not 100%, just wanted a second opinion on someone else's codebase | 13:07 |
| +BartJol | but I am called to lunch | 13:07 |
| +BartJol | I do have a testinstall | 13:08 |
| +BartJol | `I'll get back to you] | 13:08 |
| xootom | no problem catch you later, thanks :) | 13:08 |
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| xootom | hi all, does anyone have a clean 7.10 site they could test a couple of things for me on please? | 14:33 |
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| elnino | hello!! | 18:32 |
| +perlDreamer | morning, elnino | 18:32 |
| elnino | Hi! | 18:32 |
| elnino | I hopefully have a quick question. | 18:32 |
| elnino | when a user registers on our site, they are being redirected to the account management page, rather than the redirect url that we specified. Not sure what setting may be causing this... anyone know? | 18:33 |
| elnino | it used to work, but there are other admins... | 18:34 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino, when you say register, do you mean after finish registering, or to start registration? | 18:38 |
| elnino | hi. | 18:38 |
| +perlDreamer | long time no see! | 18:38 |
| elnino | I know, it's been a long time. Sorry. business is actually picking up. | 18:38 |
| elnino | I'm working on 4 sites?!?! | 18:38 |
| elnino | they create a new account. | 18:38 |
| elnino | when they hit submit | 18:39 |
| elnino | they are sent to their account page, rather than the redirect url. | 18:39 |
| elnino | if they log out and log in, then they are brought to the correct page. | 18:39 |
| +perlDreamer | You've checked all the Settings? | 18:39 |
| elnino | I thought maybe it was Allow users to deactivate their account? or Allow Users to Change Passwords?, but setting them to No doesn't change the behavior | 18:40 |
| elnino | I also checked Allow Users to Change username? | 18:40 |
| +perlDreamer | that won't affect where a user is sent after registering | 18:40 |
| elnino | the rest I did not, as they sound like they *shouldn't* change this behavior | 18:40 |
| elnino | but I do have to say, that I do have a work flow. | 18:40 |
| elnino | the work flow emails the admin, and adds the user to a new group. | 18:40 |
| +perlDreamer | have you checked the logs for errors? | 18:41 |
| elnino | upon "on create user (user)" | 18:41 |
| elnino | no, I don't have access. which one should I ask for? | 18:42 |
| +perlDreamer | All of them :) | 18:42 |
| +perlDreamer | webgui.log would be best | 18:42 |
| elnino | ha ha....ok. | 18:42 |
| elnino | ok. request sent. | 18:44 |
| +perlDreamer | kathy says "Hi" | 18:45 |
| +perlDreamer | Also, check the settings for Redirect after login | 18:45 |
| elnino | yep, that is set to /online-application | 18:46 |
| elnino | and that is correct. | 18:46 |
| elnino | hi Kathy! | 18:46 |
| elnino | but instead of redirecting me to /online-application, it sends me to a page to update my account settings. | 18:48 |
| +perlDreamer | what's the URL it sends you to? | 18:49 |
| elnino | hold on, let me try again. | 18:49 |
| elnino | the url remains the same as the registration url, except I see: "update account information" with the profile, inbox, friends, contributions, shop, account tabs, and a button to click save. | 18:52 |
| elnino | when I click save, it says account updated successfully, and remains on the same url and account update page. | 18:52 |
| elnino | does that make sense? | 18:52 |
| +perlDreamer | I understand what you're saying | 18:52 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm just not sure why it's happening | 18:53 |
| +perlDreamer | please file a bug for it with all relevant details | 18:53 |
| +perlDreamer | version of WebGUI | 18:53 |
| +perlDreamer | settings | 18:53 |
| +perlDreamer | etc | 18:53 |
| * perlDreamer has to head off to a series of appointments for today | 18:56 | |
| elnino | no problem. I'll keep looking. Thanks! | 18:56 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino, BartJol, all other esteemed WebGUI folks, I'll see you later | 18:56 |
| elnino | bye! | 18:57 |
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