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wgGuest79 | ok | 00:00 |
+perlDreamer | Does it say that in the docs for WebGUI::Group.pm ? | 00:00 |
wgGuest79 | i am going to look for the method | 00:00 |
cap10morgan | i see | 00:01 |
wgGuest79 | in WebGUI::Group.pm there is not a create method | 00:01 |
estiven | in WebGUI::Group.om doesn't exist a create method.... i can't find too | 00:04 |
estiven | Can't locate object method "create" via package "WebGUI::Group" at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Macro/..... | 00:07 |
wgGuest79 | so, where is that method? | 00:08 |
estiven | mm, i don't know... | 00:08 |
@rizen | WebGUI::Group->new($sesion, "new") | 00:08 |
@rizen | my $newGroup = WebGUI::Group->new($ssesion, "new"); | 00:09 |
@rizen | it's a very old api so it doesn't conform tot he same specs as our other objects | 00:09 |
estiven | WebGUI::Session::ErrorHandler::warn[430] - WebGUI::Group->new called with a non-existant groupId:[prueba] | 00:10 |
wgGuest79 | perlDreamer wrote that new pull an existing group | 00:10 |
@Haarg | you have to pass in 'new' as the second parameter to create a group | 00:12 |
+perlDreamer | perlDreamer has seen too much API recently | 00:13 |
estiven | mm, i try it | 00:14 |
estiven | yes works... | 00:19 |
estiven | my $g = WebGUI::Group->new($session,"new"); | 00:19 |
estiven | $g->name("prueba"); | 00:19 |
estiven | thanks | 00:19 |
+perlDreamer | cap10morgan: it's in | 00:20 |
+perlDreamer | svn rev 5687 | 00:20 |
+perlDreamer | Interception of logging now has to be enabled. | 00:20 |
cap10morgan | perlDreamer: cool. does it go to webgui.log o/w? | 00:21 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 00:21 |
cap10morgan | excellent, thanks for doing that | 00:21 |
+perlDreamer | you're welcome | 00:21 |
+perlDreamer | it could use some polish | 00:21 |
+perlDreamer | the queue is a scalar, so it's only one call deep | 00:21 |
+perlDreamer | and as it stands, there's no way to turn it off once enabled | 00:21 |
CIA-21 | WebGUI: colin * r5687 /WebGUI/t/ (6 files in 4 dirs): Fix how logging gets intercepted. It used to be on by default, now it must be turned on. | 00:27 |
+perlDreamer | has anyone else noticed that the SVN RSS feed is from 1969 | 00:28 |
@preaction | it's probably not sending out the pubDate field. | 00:29 |
cap10morgan | Haarg: can I clone your WebGUI git repo? | 00:29 |
@Haarg | heh | 00:29 |
@Haarg | i should put it somewhere | 00:29 |
@Haarg | it's a pain to do the initial import | 00:29 |
cap10morgan | yeah, that's what i'm discovering :) | 00:29 |
@rizen | Haarg, if you do that make sure that it doesn't expose your user/pass or privileges to anyone | 00:37 |
@Haarg | it doesn't store than in the repository | 00:37 |
@Haarg | it just goes in the same place svn auth stuff normally does | 00:37 |
@rizen | well pd, i'm outy for the weekend, i've checked in the base address book system, still have to do the ui for it | 00:37 |
@rizen | we made very good progress this week perlDreamer. | 00:38 |
+perlDreamer | thanks, man | 00:38 |
* rizen pats perlDreamer on the back | 00:38 |
+perlDreamer | I should have the tax migration script done soon, too | 00:38 |
@rizen | nice | 00:38 |
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@rizen | hopefully next week we can have address book, shipping, and tax all finished and integrated into the cart | 00:39 |
@rizen | as well as all the admin screens for each | 00:39 |
+perlDreamer | and doesn't Joeri and crew turn on next week, too? | 00:39 |
+perlDreamer | we may make the deadline, yet! | 00:39 |
@rizen | march 5th i think he said the current project is done | 00:40 |
@rizen | we'll make the deadline | 00:40 |
@rizen | that's not in question | 00:40 |
@rizen | the question is how much other goodies can we throw in by then | 00:40 |
+perlDreamer | :) | 00:40 |
@rizen | have a good weekend all | 00:41 |
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cap10morgan | Haarg: do you remember the git svn init command you used to pull in the WebGUI SVN repo? :) | 00:44 |
cap10morgan | I'm thinking of doing git svn init -t releases -b branch -T WebGUI https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack | 00:49 |
cap10morgan | here goes nuthin... | 00:50 |
nuba | rizen> | nuba you too | 00:54 |
+perlDreamer | rizen had a question about addressing | 00:54 |
nuba | was that re: multiple line addresses ? if yes, I think they're good :) | 00:54 |
@Haarg | that's basically it cap10 | 00:54 |
cap10morgan | Haarg: cool, thanks | 00:54 |
+perlDreamer | I think the exact question was whether one line or multi-line addresses would be difficult for interational users | 00:55 |
nuba | blist | 00:55 |
nuba | oops, wrong window | 00:55 |
nuba | well, its unusual in Brazil to spell the entire address in a single line | 00:56 |
@apeiron | bitlbee++ | 00:56 |
nuba | apeiron: heh yeah | 00:56 |
nuba | bitlbee is great, except when it goes runaway an 99% CPU... | 00:57 |
nuba | and* | 00:57 |
@apeiron | I don't seem to have that problem, heh. | 00:57 |
nuba | lucky you, it happens to me every few weeks or so. | 00:58 |
nuba | and Im too lazy to go find out why | 00:58 |
@apeiron | Well, I don't notice it if it does... FreeBSD's scheduler doesn't actually let a process eat 100% of the CPU time. | 00:59 |
nuba | trust me, you'll notice. | 01:00 |
@apeiron | I've sat and watched processes labelled as "100%" in top and the system was perfectly responsive. :) | 01:01 |
nuba | one notices when all buddies are silent for more than a day | 01:01 |
CIA-21 | WebGUI: jt * r5688 /branch/WebGUI_Commerce/ (6 files in 3 dirs): added address book management system, no ui | 01:01 |
nuba | heh, another thing one notices is the productivity boost | 01:04 |
+perlDreamer | cap10morgan: http://git.or.cz/course/svn.html | 01:17 |
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@Haarg | this is better for working with git-svn: http://utsl.gen.nz/talks/git-svn/intro.html | 01:30 |
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CIA-21 | WebGUI: colin * r5689 /branch/WebGUI_Commerce/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.2-7.5.3.pl: | 01:43 |
CIA-21 | WebGUI: Migrate old tax data into the nex tax data script. | 01:43 |
CIA-21 | WebGUI: Tested this manually and it works okay. | 01:43 |
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CIA-21 | WebGUI: arjan * r5690 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/WikiMaster.pm: fix: Wiki links to pages in trash (Arjan Widlak/United Knowledge) | 03:34 |
CIA-21 | WebGUI: arjan * r5691 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: updated changelog: Wiki links to pages in trash (Arjan Widlak/United Knowledge) | 03:51 |
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CIA-21 | WebGUI: colin * r5692 /branch/WebGUI_Commerce/designdocs/shipper.pod: | 06:20 |
CIA-21 | WebGUI: I was able to build Shop::Ship without _loadDriver by | 06:20 |
CIA-21 | WebGUI: using WebGUI::Pluggable directly. | 06:20 |
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wgGuest85 | speck french ? | 07:09 |
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CIA-21 | WebGUI: colin * r5693 /branch/WebGUI_Commerce/ (lib/WebGUI/Shop/Tax.pm t/Shop/Tax.t): placeholder for calculate in Shop::Tax.pm | 07:17 |
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CIA-21 | WebGUI: doug * r5694 /branch/doug-experimental: Removing my experimental branch since I can't seem to merge with HEAD | 22:21 |
CIA-21 | WebGUI: doug * r5695 /branch/doug-experimental: Re-making my experimental branch because SVN hates me | 22:21 |
@apeiron | No, no, it's CVS that hates you. It even tells you so. | 22:41 |
@preaction | then why wouldn't svn let me merge in the YUI changes to my branch? | 22:41 |
@preaction | you | 22:41 |
@preaction | YOU | 22:41 |
@preaction | YOU'RE THE ONE WHO UPGRADED YUI | 22:41 |
@apeiron | Yep. | 22:41 |
@preaction | that means it's clearly entirely your fault | 22:42 |
@apeiron | Or you should have synced more frequently. | 22:42 |
@preaction | it was only 40 revisions | 22:42 |
@apeiron | Hmm. What were your changes, anyway? | 22:43 |
@preaction | none. or do you mean what was i doing in my branch? | 22:44 |
@apeiron | In your branch. | 22:45 |
@preaction | my Report asset, planning on some backwards-compatible improvements to the Asset API | 22:46 |
@preaction | the Calendar List View was in there until I merged it into HEAD | 22:46 |
@apeiron | meep. | 22:46 |
@apeiron | er, did my YUI update wipe out those changes? | 22:46 |
@preaction | no, i got what i needed out and then destroyed the branch and recreated it | 22:47 |
@preaction | i couldn't commit the merge | 22:47 |
@apeiron | Conflicts, I imagine? | 22:47 |
@preaction | resource was out-of-date, but svn up did nothing | 22:47 |
@apeiron | fun. | 22:47 |
@preaction | indeed | 22:47 |
@preaction | http://www.netgear.com/Products/Storage/ReadyNASNVPlus.aspx <- thinking of scoring me one of these babies | 22:48 |
@preaction | even though they're $900 w/o disks | 22:48 |
@apeiron | Pretty nice. I was looking at a similar toy on the Apple site. Will link if I can find it. | 22:49 |
@apeiron | The 1TB Time Capsule, if you're familiar with it. | 22:49 |
@preaction | i remember back in the day when 40GB was "You'll never fill it up". | 22:49 |
@preaction | i've seen it, yes | 22:49 |
@apeiron | http://xrl.us/bgzv8 (Link to store.apple.com) | 22:49 |
@preaction | it'd go great on-top or under the new mac mini | 22:50 |
@preaction | incidentally, if you're ever going to buy one, don't skimp. get the biggest one you can | 22:50 |
@apeiron | Oh, yeah, of course. | 22:50 |
@preaction | apparently mine isn't powerful enough to decode h.264 video | 22:50 |
@apeiron | Oh, the minis. | 22:50 |
@apeiron | I thought you meant a NAS. | 22:50 |
@preaction | even though Apple recommends a 1.8Ghz | 22:50 |
@preaction | oh, no | 22:50 |
@apeiron | I've been looking at them. | 22:51 |
@apeiron | Right now I have an ancient 233 MHz box running a buncha stuff on the network. | 22:51 |
@apeiron | It's got the keyboard, got the monitor. The Mini would far surpass it in all of its stats. | 22:51 |
@preaction | oh yeah | 22:52 |
@apeiron | I'm actually seriously looking into going to school right now, so it may wait. | 22:52 |
@apeiron | Online learning, of course. | 22:52 |
@preaction | the time capsule does seem pretty awesome, it's a hub, print server, and all sorts of stuff to improve the Mac Mini | 22:53 |
@apeiron | Oh wow, it's a base station. | 22:53 |
@preaction | yeah | 22:53 |
@apeiron | I totally missed that. | 22:53 |
@preaction | that + maxed out mini = $1700, which is pretty good for the capabilities | 22:54 |
@apeiron | I might also do the Mini thing so I have an actual desktop. | 22:57 |
@apeiron | (as opposed to endless Unix workstations) | 22:57 |
@apeiron | Going to school, especially online, I'm going to need to be able to do stuff like Office and Flash and all of that fancy stuff. Much as I'd like to claim otherwise, the free tools just aren't up to par yet. | 22:58 |
cap10morgan | Haarg: when you try to checkout a new branch in your wG git repo, does it give you this error: fatal: Untracked working tree file 'www/extras/yui/docs/YAHOO.widget.MenuBar.html' would be overwritten by merge. ? | 23:06 |
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@apeiron | perlDreamer, Someone mentioned something on #perl that you may find amusing: You can't judge a book by its cover, but you can judge a test suite that way. | 23:23 |
+perlDreamer | ha! | 23:23 |
+perlDreamer | I like tht | 23:23 |
+perlDreamer | that | 23:23 |
@apeiron | Figured you would. | 23:24 |
+perlDreamer | So, how do I persuade you to start writing tests? :) | 23:24 |
+perlDreamer | A test a day keeps the perlDreamer away | 23:24 |
@apeiron | heh | 23:24 |
CIA-21 | WebGUI: colin * r5696 /branch/WebGUI_Commerce/ (lib/WebGUI/Shop/Tax.pm t/Shop/Tax.t): add a input validation check and test for Tax->calculate | 23:50 |
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CIA-21 | WebGUI: colin * r5697 /branch/WebGUI_Commerce/t/Shop/AddressBook.t: stub out Shop::AddressBook tests for new and create | 00:16 |
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perlmonkey2 | anyone not out at a bar? | 04:23 |
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CIA-21 | WebGUI: doug * r5698 /branch/doug-experimental/ (14 files in 8 dirs): rebuilt Asset Report. started AssetMixin and Mixin::Installable. added shells for SqlWhere and SqlOrderBy form controls | 07:20 |
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CIA-21 | WebGUI: colin * r5699 /branch/WebGUI_Commerce/t/Shop/AddressBook.t: Address book tests for create, session, and initial data on object creation | 08:01 |
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CIA-21 | WebGUI: colin * r5700 /branch/WebGUI_Commerce/lib/WebGUI/Shop/ (AddressBook.pm Address.pm): | 18:31 |
CIA-21 | WebGUI: WBGP align Address's update method. | 18:31 |
CIA-21 | WebGUI: Remove unused variables and add some POD to AddressBook. | 18:31 |
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+perlDreamer | BartJol: You working on a Sunday? | 18:38 |
BartJol | not really | 18:38 |
+MrHairgrease | he bart! you're still alive after yesterday! | 18:39 |
+MrHairgrease | =) | 18:39 |
BartJol | if someone needs some help, I'm just at home and my roomate will cook | 18:39 |
BartJol | I wasn't that bad | 18:39 |
BartJol | just not in a party mood | 18:42 |
+perlDreamer | rizen is not going to be happy | 18:48 |
+MrHairgrease | is he ever? =) | 18:48 |
+perlDreamer | Every so often ;) | 18:48 |
+MrHairgrease | heh | 18:48 |
+MrHairgrease | don't tell him that. It'd make him angry | 18:48 |
+perlDreamer | That's a recursive function | 18:49 |
+MrHairgrease | i bet rizen hates recusrion =) | 18:49 |
CIA-21 | WebGUI: colin * r5701 /branch/WebGUI_Commerce/ (4 files in 3 dirs): | 18:49 |
CIA-21 | WebGUI: Fix some comment typos in t/Shop/AddressBook | 18:49 |
CIA-21 | WebGUI: Add tests for WebGUI::Shop::Address | 18:49 |
CIA-21 | WebGUI: Fix bugs in the upgrade script (missing city entry) and | 18:49 |
CIA-21 | WebGUI: the Address new method. | 18:49 |
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CIA-21 | WebGUI: colin * r5702 /branch/WebGUI_Commerce/ (t/Shop/Address.pm lib/WebGUI/Shop/Address.pm): | 19:18 |
CIA-21 | WebGUI: Add a few more tests, and some POD to make sure that | 19:18 |
CIA-21 | WebGUI: new is known to be different from create as an instanciator | 19:18 |
CIA-21 | WebGUI: versus a constructor. | 19:18 |
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+MrHairgrease | http://xkcd.com/378/ | 19:52 |
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+perlDreamer | real programmers use perl | 20:41 |
+perlDreamer | who cares about the editor? | 20:41 |
@preaction | perl programmers should use vim :p | 20:43 |
@preaction | ... so i've got an idea for AssetMixins that will allow you to add functionality to your assets with little code | 20:46 |
@preaction | the problem is, when importing the mixin's subs to your namespace, use is called at BEGIN time, before the calling namespace's symbol table has been created | 20:46 |
@preaction | which means import sees nothing in the symbol table | 20:47 |
@preaction | changing "use" to a require/import works just fine... | 20:47 |
@preaction | or, for some reason, putting the "use" after all the sub declarations works as well | 20:48 |
+perlDreamer | sounds like the same problem that ovid's mixin.pm has | 20:54 |
@preaction | tried putting it in a CHECK block, that didn't work either | 20:55 |
+perlDreamer | I looked into that when I was refactoring getEditForm into HTMLForm, to try and make it a mixin that lots of code could use | 20:56 |
+perlDreamer | but it seemed risky | 20:56 |
@preaction | nm, putting require/import in a CHECK or INIT block works just fine | 20:58 |
@preaction | but not use | 20:58 |
@preaction | it would work if i did a stringy eval 'use WebGUI::AssetMixin::Installable'; | 20:59 |
@preaction | because then it would happen at runtime and not compile time | 20:59 |
@preaction | and though it is shorter, it's less comprehensible (Why would you use eval on a string literal when you can just do it yourself? I'll just remove the eval part and... wait, now everything's broken) | 21:00 |
+perlDreamer | is JT taking weekends off? | 21:01 |
@preaction | he's trying to take more time away from being "plugged-in" as it were | 21:02 |
@preaction | in order to get more things Done | 21:02 |
@preaction | so i would expect he's either having a gaming weekend or working on something | 21:02 |
@preaction | now what sucks is: I have to die if I'm trying to import something that already exists in the namespace, but i'm dying at runtime now and not compile time... | 21:05 |
@preaction | wait... then why is it saying BEGIN failed?... wtf is perl doing? | 21:07 |
+perlDreamer | anybody have a copy of the movie, "The Shawshank Redemption" handy? | 21:14 |
+perlDreamer | I need the address that was printed on the letters rejected by the prison system when Andy was asking for money | 21:14 |
@preaction | he wrote to the State Senate | 21:18 |
@preaction | of Maine iirc | 21:18 |
@preaction | 3 State House Station | 21:20 |
@preaction | Augusta, ME 04333-0003 | 21:20 |
@preaction | of course, that's Now, but it probably would've been that way 30 years ago too | 21:20 |
@preaction | http://www.vzavenue.net/~speedtech/ <- found the screenplay online | 21:21 |
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@preaction | laugh... i just reimplemented Class::Trait | 21:43 |
+perlDreamer | You're a monster | 22:01 |
@preaction | eh, i don't understand Class::Trait, and the code I wrote is better | 22:05 |
@preaction | but mixin works nicely | 22:05 |
@preaction | and it handles the inheritence | 22:07 |
+perlDreamer | why is it better than C::T? | 22:09 |
@preaction | it probably isn't, in the long run | 22:10 |
@preaction | or do you mean my code? my code does what C::T can't, it detects collisions and croaks | 22:10 |
@preaction | but it does so by requiring you to use import/require instead of use | 22:10 |
@preaction | also C::T won't work in mod_perl because it uses INIT | 22:11 |
@preaction | the mixin pragma is better than my code, because it handles collisions by adding inheritence instead of croaking | 22:11 |
@preaction | mixin works the way I'd expect Multiple Inheritence to work | 22:11 |
@preaction | i'm still evaluating if mixin can actually be a viable solution | 22:12 |
@preaction | with my AssetMixin, in order to get inheritence, you'd need to (A) override the right sub, and (B) call the fully-qualified sub from the mixin | 22:13 |
+perlDreamer | I think people are leaning toward traits nowadays. | 22:21 |
@preaction | okay, but how would it work under mod_perl? | 22:25 |
@preaction | Class::Trait->initialize() in preload.perl and WebGUI::Pluggable | 22:26 |
+perlDreamer | I don't know | 22:28 |
+perlDreamer | I just know that perl6 encourages traits | 22:28 |
+perlDreamer | and traits were added to p5, too | 22:28 |
+perlDreamer | but that was a while ago | 22:28 |
@preaction | right, but from what i'm reading about traits, isn't mixin just a simpler implementation of traits? | 22:30 |
+perlDreamer | I'm only relating what I've heard. | 22:31 |
+perlDreamer | I don't grok much beyond that | 22:31 |
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+perlDreamer | MrHairgrease: How's the commerce hacking coming? | 23:06 |
+MrHairgrease | it's pretty much where I left it last thursday | 23:08 |
+MrHairgrease | Lemme check what I've done so far | 23:09 |
+MrHairgrease | martin@martin:/data/WebGUI$ svn status | 23:10 |
+MrHairgrease | ? t/Shop/PayDriver.t | 23:10 |
+MrHairgrease | ? t/Shop/Pay.t | 23:10 |
+MrHairgrease | ? lib/WebGUI/Shop/PayDriver.pm | 23:10 |
+perlDreamer | good start :) | 23:10 |
+MrHairgrease | those things are prettymuch fisnished | 23:10 |
+MrHairgrease | yeah, i took your tests and modified them | 23:10 |
+MrHairgrease | also change/added some stuff | 23:10 |
+perlDreamer | cool | 23:10 |
+MrHairgrease | the additions are mostly still in TODO blocks | 23:10 |
+MrHairgrease | and I haven't tested them yet | 23:11 |
+MrHairgrease | but all in all not a bad result for only half a day | 23:11 |
+perlDreamer | no | 23:11 |
+perlDreamer | Class::InsideOut makes object pretty easy | 23:11 |
+perlDreamer | don't have to write all those constructors | 23:11 |
+MrHairgrease | you mean getters? | 23:12 |
+perlDreamer | yeah, those too | 23:12 |
+MrHairgrease | I haven't really dug into C::IO yet | 23:12 |
+MrHairgrease | just enough to understand what you did in your shipping modules | 23:12 |
+perlDreamer | that's all I know about it, so, as usualy | 23:13 |
+perlDreamer | you're at least as smart as I am | 23:13 |
+MrHairgrease | so in a way you could say that you're my mr. Myagi =) | 23:13 |
+perlDreamer | Breathe in, breathe out | 23:13 |
+perlDreamer | make good perl | 23:13 |
+perlDreamer | Bansai, Martin-san bansai! | 23:13 |
+MrHairgrease | I don't bansai | 23:13 |
+MrHairgrease | i rock sometimes, but mostly roll | 23:14 |
+perlDreamer | It's Japanese for "Divine wind" | 23:14 |
+perlDreamer | wait a sec | 23:14 |
+MrHairgrease | oh I am into divine winds | 23:14 |
+perlDreamer | that's kamakaze | 23:14 |
+MrHairgrease | i try to confine those to the bathroom though... | 23:14 |
+perlDreamer | those aren't divine | 23:15 |
+perlDreamer | they are foul | 23:15 |
+MrHairgrease | bansi means attack or something like that i think | 23:15 |
+MrHairgrease | you have no idea | 23:15 |
+MrHairgrease | you never sniffed at them =) | 23:15 |
+perlDreamer | I feel blessed | 23:15 |
+perlDreamer | I should redo Tax and ShipDriver to use the setRow method in the db like rizen did | 23:16 |
+MrHairgrease | setRow, is that something like setCollateral? | 23:18 |
+MrHairgrease | I've spent way to much on hacking WebGUI lately | 23:18 |
+MrHairgrease | I have trouble keeping up with all the new features/api things | 23:18 |
@preaction | setCollateral uses setRow internally | 23:19 |
+MrHairgrease | i guess you invoke it by session->db->setRow? | 23:20 |
@preaction | yes | 23:22 |
+perlDreamer | it's easier than writing 'insert all this crap into this table unless it exists then do update' | 23:28 |
+perlDreamer | it's getting close to time to do a coverage check on the Shop code. | 23:32 |
CIA-21 | WebGUI: colin * r5703 /branch/WebGUI_Commerce/t/Shop/ (Address.pm Address.t): Rename the test. Add tests for all the other methods. | 23:35 |
perlmonkey2 | Has anyone looked at Plone's KSS? | 23:46 |
perlmonkey2 | I wonder how hard it would be to port to WebGUI. | 23:47 |
@preaction | it seems to be all in python, so probably a bit difficult | 23:50 |
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perlmonkey2 | But an extremely cool idea. | 00:06 |
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+perlDreamer | I think we talked about KSS earlier, but don't remember the discussion | 00:47 |
+perlDreamer | you could check the archives | 00:47 |
CIA-21 | WebGUI: colin * r5704 /WebGUI/t/Workflow/Instance.t: | 01:14 |
CIA-21 | WebGUI: Adding Knowmad's excellent Instance test script for exposing JSON | 01:14 |
CIA-21 | WebGUI: problems in Workflow::Instance | 01:14 |
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@preaction | so I've got AssetMixin::Installable working. before I really consider it a success, I'm going to make Subscribable | 03:21 |
+perlDreamer | you should make RSS first | 03:21 |
+perlDreamer | (imo) | 03:22 |
@preaction | ooh, i forgot about that one | 03:23 |
@preaction | that one will be easier no doubt | 03:26 |
@preaction | coding and baking cookies at the same time. much fun ;-) | 03:26 |
* apeiron misinterpreted that to mean writing code dealing with cookies while also baking cookies. | 03:27 |
@preaction | good lord... the RSSCapable mixin would basically re-implement a lot of the SyndicatedContent wobject | 03:29 |
@preaction | so i open it up right? | 03:29 |
@preaction | bad idea... | 03:29 |
@preaction | theoretically... these things should work with the definition sub... i wonder... | 03:39 |
@preaction | ha. ha ha! it works! | 03:54 |
@preaction | I have a dream that Assets will be an amalgamation of component parts, each contributing to the whole! | 03:54 |
@preaction | I have a dream that Assets will be as easy to create as macros! | 03:54 |
@preaction | and I have a dream that I will stop using stupid gimmicks to try to impress people | 03:55 |
+perlDreamer | amen, brother! | 03:56 |
+perlDreamer | I just got done serving the kids chicken cordon bleu, mushroom tortellini with pesta and crou d'etat with hummus | 03:56 |
@preaction | you're serious? | 03:57 |
@preaction | that sounds awesome | 03:57 |
+perlDreamer | you're welcome to come over for leftovers | 03:57 |
@preaction | that's something i haven't tried to make yet, cordon bleu... | 03:57 |
+perlDreamer | I went to the Costco school of cooking, tonight | 03:59 |
@preaction | oh... lame... | 03:59 |
+perlDreamer | I was impressed that they were eating real, adult-type food | 03:59 |
@preaction | true enough | 03:59 |
@preaction | hummus would've been enough to put me off when i was 14 | 03:59 |
+perlDreamer | they got exposed early. It was a part of a diet that I was on | 04:00 |
+perlDreamer | and actually, it was black bean hummus, which rocks | 04:01 |
+perlDreamer | hm | 04:01 |
+perlDreamer | I need to write the tests that expose that other bug in the AddressBook | 04:01 |
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CIA-21 | WebGUI: colin * r5705 /branch/WebGUI_Commerce/ (lib/WebGUI/Shop/AddressBook.pm t/Shop/AddressBook.t): | 04:47 |
CIA-21 | WebGUI: More tests for addressBook. | 04:47 |
CIA-21 | WebGUI: Fixed bugs in delete and getAddresses. | 04:47 |
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Samus_Aran | hello. I am doing an upgrade of manually installed WebGUI, following instructions on the site. when trying to restart Apache, it won't restart. the log file shows: | 05:25 |
Samus_Aran | Can't load Perl file: /var/www/WebGUI/sbin/preload.perl for server foo.com:0, exiting... | 05:25 |
Samus_Aran | which exists where it did before | 05:25 |
Samus_Aran | is this just a matter of overwritten config files in the etc ? | 05:26 |
Samus_Aran | (I backed them up before untarring the new one) | 05:26 |
@preaction | try perl -c preload.perl to find out why it's not loading | 05:28 |
Samus_Aran | it says it can't find WebGUI.pm in @INC | 05:29 |
Samus_Aran | though nothing has moved from where the former install worked | 05:29 |
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Samus_Aran | it didn't erase my config files in etc I notice, as the new ones are all .original | 05:31 |
@preaction | preload.perl locates the webgui root directory. which means you had to edit that in order to use webgui. did you edit it again after you extracted the new WebGUI? | 05:31 |
Samus_Aran | where is that set environment script ? I had run it before in this shell session, but it is no longer set | 05:32 |
Samus_Aran | that is surely the issue | 05:32 |
@preaction | that won't do it, and you have WebGUI in /var/www, so you aren't running the WRE | 05:32 |
Samus_Aran | I mentioned above this is an upgrade of a manual install | 05:33 |
@preaction | the WRE has that set environment script, so without the WRE it's not necessary | 05:33 |
Samus_Aran | I thought it was necessary to tell it where you did install it to ? | 05:34 |
Samus_Aran | I don't quite remember, but I thought I updated it | 05:34 |
@preaction | setEnvironment is for the WRE so that saying "perl" will give you the WRE's perl and other things. it adds library directorys, preloads, and such. it's for the WRE | 05:35 |
@preaction | preload.perl, one of the first lines in there sets the $webguiRoot variable. you need to change what that gets set to | 05:35 |
Samus_Aran | oh. I think I updated the actual preload.perl file | 05:35 |
Samus_Aran | just updated that, thanks | 05:35 |
@preaction | imho it should be gleaned from an environment variable that is set from the apache configuration file, but that'd be an RFE | 05:35 |
Samus_Aran | that sounds like a good approach | 05:36 |
Samus_Aran | do you know if there are there any other files that need to be changed ? | 05:36 |
* Samus_Aran goes to try Apache again | 05:36 |
Samus_Aran | worked | 05:36 |
@preaction | no i don't, i have my webgui at /data/WebGUI | 05:36 |
Samus_Aran | I thought it was that setEnvironment script I updated, but it was preload.perl. will try to remember that for next time | 05:36 |
@preaction | most things should just work. i think only preload.perl needs an absolute path, because apache doesn't and shouldn't chdir | 05:37 |
Samus_Aran | thank you for your help | 05:37 |
Samus_Aran | update went smoothly | 05:40 |
Samus_Aran | *upgrade | 05:41 |
* Samus_Aran installs Weather::Com::Finder: for the 30th time or so | 05:48 |
Samus_Aran | why is it that every time testEnvironment.pl is run, it tries to install that module again ? | 05:49 |
Samus_Aran | Weather::Com::Finder is up to date (1.008). | 05:50 |
Samus_Aran | any idea why I can't click the button to choose a file to upload, in the assets window ? | 06:14 |
Samus_Aran | it seems to be disabled | 06:14 |
Samus_Aran | can't enter the text box to type in a name, either | 06:14 |
Samus_Aran | hm, it works in Firefox but not Opera | 06:41 |
Samus_Aran | strange | 06:41 |
Samus_Aran | is there any Javascript affecting the file upload thing in Assets ? | 06:41 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: In case I haven't said it yet. Thank you so much for the 7.4 smoke test run! | 06:54 |
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Samus_Aran | preaction: okay, I have fully updated WebGUI to the latest release, and the issue where no images can appear is still present | 06:57 |
Samus_Aran | preaction: is there any suggestion of where to look to solve this ? | 06:57 |
@preaction | Plain Black Corp. offers affordable support options, if you're interested. | 06:58 |
Samus_Aran | I am not the one in control of the budget, sorry | 06:59 |
Samus_Aran | looking at the background-image in one of the themes, and trying to open it directly, it is just 404 not found | 07:02 |
Samus_Aran | this one being /uploads/eA/K0/eAK0doY8-UIauq_uuHEhvA/bg1.jpg | 07:02 |
Samus_Aran | solved it | 07:04 |
Samus_Aran | only extras was symlinked to the main WebGUI folder, not uploads. | 07:05 |
Samus_Aran | now I just need to figure out why all the packages I upload appear on the main page of the web site | 07:05 |
Samus_Aran | Assets to Hide. | 07:11 |
* Samus_Aran plays "Depeche Mode - Enjoy The Silence" and wanders off. Thanks for the help earlier, preaction | 07:12 |
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CIA-21 | WebGUI: doug * r5706 /branch/doug-experimental/ (6 files in 6 dirs): Nightly checkin because you forgot | 14:17 |
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lrobinson | would anybody know the best place to have a merchant account being based in the UK? | 16:16 |
lrobinson | CDG Commerce redirected me to an affiliate - is that the best thing to go for? | 16:17 |
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SDuensin | Morning. | 16:40 |
CIA-21 | WebGUI: jt * r5707 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/WebGUI.pm: update_from_translation_server | 17:20 |
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perlmonkey2 | What is the template command for the URL of this asset? | 17:49 |
@preaction | usually <tmpl_var url> | 17:50 |
@preaction | or do you mean the ^PageUrl macro? | 17:50 |
perlmonkey2 | well, for the ajax call, I want a hidden html object to have the url to make the ajax calls to. | 17:51 |
nuba | i think the macro wont know the URL of the asset it is being called from | 17:51 |
BartJol | nuba-> that's right | 17:51 |
perlmonkey2 | Okay, thanks | 17:52 |
@preaction | but when you're doing the AJAX on the survey edit form, you're on the survey's URL. you don't need to know the URL of the survey | 17:52 |
@preaction | you can just send to ?func=ajaxDoSomething | 17:52 |
perlmonkey2 | You don't think that could ever get into trouble? | 17:54 |
@preaction | no | 17:54 |
perlmonkey2 | good enough for you, good enough for me :) | 17:54 |
@preaction | rather, you'd probably end up just POSTing the form with no action="", which sends it to the current URL | 17:54 |
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@preaction | YAHOO.util.Connection.attachForm or something like that | 17:55 |
wgGuest26 | hello | 17:55 |
wgGuest26 | i have a question related to the registration | 17:55 |
@preaction | no need to ask if you can ask, just ask | 17:55 |
BartJol | you scared him/her preaction! | 17:57 |
@preaction | eh, i can understand. i'm rather intimidating | 17:57 |
BartJol | well, stop it, or I'm going to correct your English again | 17:58 |
BartJol | :) | 17:58 |
wgGuest26 | i have some aditional information to ask in the registration and it will be stored in a select box, the thing is that when a user select one option in this select box, another box will load another information automatically | 17:58 |
@preaction | ohnoes! | 17:58 |
wgGuest26 | is it posible? | 17:58 |
BartJol | you can add profile field that are obligated | 17:59 |
BartJol | fields | 17:59 |
@preaction | right, but you can't seem to add extras like JavaScript to profile fields, not through the interface | 17:59 |
BartJol | that will be hard, yes | 18:00 |
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BartJol | for me, that is | 18:00 |
@preaction | it's possible, but it'd be difficult: you'd have to modify the registration template in the correct manner to create your fields, and then have some sort of profile field with those fields' names so that the system will get the values out of it | 18:00 |
@preaction | and this also means no way would you be able to allow the users to edit those values later | 18:01 |
BartJol | even if these are included in the profile? | 18:01 |
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@preaction | they have to be in the profile, there's no other way to get additional fields into the registration | 18:03 |
@preaction | unless you're talking building a custom user registration application | 18:03 |
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wgGuest26 | i think it will be hard | 18:04 |
BartJol | yeah, ok, but if you use another template for the edit profile than the add account template, you should be ok, shouldn't you? | 18:04 |
@preaction | i was sure that there wasn't a template for edit profile, i think that's an RFE out there | 18:05 |
BartJol | but then the option is always present in the edit profile screen, even when the first isn't selected | 18:05 |
BartJol | oh, I always think there's a template for everything | 18:06 |
@preaction | a better RFE that might work for wgGuest26's purposes is to expose the "extras" field to the User Profiling system, that way you can add id="" and onchange="" so that it would work out | 18:06 |
BartJol | my mistake | 18:06 |
BartJol | so wgGuest26, probably it's possible, but quite hard to do :( | 18:07 |
wgGuest26 | yes, i know | 18:07 |
wgGuest26 | i am going to try it. | 18:08 |
BartJol | good luck | 18:09 |
wgGuest26 | thanks | 18:09 |
BartJol | if you succeed, maybe you can post it to webgui.org | 18:10 |
wgGuest26 | ok | 18:10 |
@preaction | indeed, just a how you did it or something | 18:10 |
@preaction | i'm going to post the RFE about getting the extras thing exposed, which will make things like this easier in the future | 18:10 |
@preaction | ha. Frank added it almost a year ago | 18:11 |
@preaction | 0 karma | 18:11 |
@preaction | http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/add-extras-to-profiling | 18:11 |
@preaction | real easy RFE, wouldn't take much karma to put it up where it gets noticed | 18:12 |
wgGuest26 | preaction, i have created a data form and one of the fields is a select box, the problem is that the posibles values are dinamic and are stored in a table in the database. I have tried to load the values using a macro but the output is always a string | 18:23 |
wgGuest26 | how can i do that? | 18:24 |
@preaction | javascript | 18:24 |
@preaction | or write your own WebGUI::Form::Control <- best idea | 18:24 |
@preaction | see WebGUI::Form::SelectBox and WebGUI::Form::SelectList for ideas | 18:24 |
wgGuest26 | ok, i am going to check | 18:25 |
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lisette | hello | 18:48 |
perlmonkey2 | Is there an example Asset reading an ajax POST you can point me at? | 18:50 |
lisette | i have a "tell a friend", i can change "your friend adress" by a text area, and he writes emails separated by comas | 18:51 |
lisette | ? | 18:51 |
perlmonkey2 | my Wobject ajax test method is a simple "sub test{return "hello world";}" Yet in the ajax response object there is no hello world. | 18:53 |
@preaction | ajax still calls www_ methods | 18:53 |
@preaction | www_test perhaps? | 18:54 |
perlmonkey2 | just tried that....didn't change anything. | 18:55 |
@preaction | you're submitting a form that has func = test right? | 18:56 |
perlmonkey2 | var request = YAHOO.util.Connect.asyncRequest('POST', '?func=test', callback, postData); | 18:56 |
perlmonkey2 | I've tried that and www_test | 18:56 |
perlmonkey2 | and still what I get back in the responseText looks like the home page. | 18:57 |
@preaction | if it's the home page, maybe there's an error | 18:57 |
perlmonkey2 | that's what I'm assuming | 18:57 |
perlmonkey2 | but the handleSuccess callback is called. | 18:57 |
perlmonkey2 | so it is getting a return from that call. But I don't think my wobject method is being called. | 18:58 |
@preaction | check the error log | 18:58 |
perlmonkey2 | nothing in the error log. httpd/access_log shows the ajax request though | 18:59 |
perlmonkey2 | "POST /home?func=www_repeat | 19:00 |
@preaction | is that where it's supposed to be called? | 19:00 |
perlmonkey2 | no | 19:00 |
perlmonkey2 | but "?func=www_test"; is my url in the connection call | 19:01 |
perlmonkey2 | ?func=www_test;class=WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Survey is what I probably need? | 19:01 |
perlmonkey2 | must include the class? | 19:01 |
@preaction | no | 19:02 |
@preaction | let me dig up the big AJAX thing i did to see how i did it | 19:02 |
perlmonkey2 | okay | 19:02 |
perlmonkey2 | when I click on the save button of hte new Survey the next page is the custom edit surey page I've written. | 19:02 |
perlmonkey2 | But this is the path for that page: http://norman/home | 19:03 |
perlmonkey2 | which doens't make sense | 19:03 |
perlmonkey2 | I'm thinking a person needs to be a master of webgui to write this super duper ajax survey module. | 19:03 |
perlmonkey2 | I've killed 5.5 fully devoted days on this and I haven't finished meshing my survey code with webgui. | 19:04 |
@preaction | ahh. i see what's happening | 19:04 |
@preaction | proceed just calls the right sub and returns it | 19:05 |
@preaction | it doesn't redirect the user | 19:05 |
@preaction | so the user remains at the place they posted to | 19:05 |
lisette | ? | 19:05 |
@preaction | let me see if there's a proceed target to redirect | 19:05 |
@preaction | no... but you might add it | 19:06 |
perlmonkey2 | I might add it? So I need to alter the Asset.pm module? | 19:08 |
@preaction | hang on, let me paste it | 19:08 |
@preaction | perlbot paste | 19:08 |
perlbot | Paste your code to http://sial.org/pbot/perl http://erxz.com/pb or http://p3m.org/pfn/perl and #Perl will be able to view it. | 19:08 |
@preaction | http://sial.org/pbot/30398 <- not sure if that will work exactly | 19:09 |
@preaction | but it's the general idea | 19:09 |
@preaction | and you'll have to URL encode your returnUrl parameter | 19:09 |
@preaction | and you'll have to run it by JT when he gets in | 19:09 |
@preaction | but i can't see there being a problem with it | 19:10 |
perlmonkey2 | And that goes in Session.pm? | 19:11 |
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@preaction | no, Asset.pm | 19:12 |
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@apeiron | Is there a way to determine, either in a macro or a form control, whether you've already sent a specific JS file via $style->setScript()? | 19:21 |
@apeiron | (for example, to prevent dependency conflicts and the like) | 19:21 |
+perlDreamer | setScript checks to see if you've already loaded that js | 19:22 |
+perlDreamer | if you have, it does not generate any additional content | 19:23 |
@apeiron | Ah, so it does. | 19:23 |
+perlDreamer | the way to tell if that happens is to check the return value | 19:23 |
@apeiron | So... why's it not behaving that way? | 19:23 |
@apeiron | hmm. Maybe it's calling it differently. | 19:23 |
+perlDreamer | if generateAdditionalHeadTags is called, it clears that check flag | 19:24 |
perlmonkey2 | preaction: would not using autogenerate let me skip all that mess? | 19:24 |
@preaction | no, because you still need to call www_editSave no matter what | 19:24 |
@preaction | do NOT override that method, as you will fail. it's the blackest of black magic | 19:25 |
perlmonkey2 | Poll.pm doesn't, which is really weird | 19:25 |
@preaction | the whole add/edit/editSave/processPropertiesFromFormPost in WebGUI is both awesome and frightening | 19:25 |
@preaction | the added redirect code didn't work? | 19:26 |
@apeiron | Oh. Different files, not the same file. But they're interacting strangely. yay. | 19:26 |
perlmonkey2 | yes, I'm terrified that I'm not making forward progress because this Friday I need to have something done. | 19:26 |
perlmonkey2 | preaction: Okay....How about I don't have a proceed. | 19:26 |
@preaction | perlmonkey2, then screw the proceed= for now | 19:26 |
@preaction | yeah | 19:26 |
@preaction | it can always be added later | 19:26 |
perlmonkey2 | After they click save, they are presented with the empty survey and they can click on something there to go to the edit? | 19:27 |
@preaction | sounds like it'll work | 19:27 |
perlmonkey2 | in the normal admin view, clicking on edit calls getEditForm? | 19:27 |
@preaction | calls www_edit which calls getEditform, yes | 19:28 |
perlmonkey2 | so I can just overload getEditForm to call www_editSurvey ? | 19:28 |
+MrHairgrease | i don't think you want to do that | 19:30 |
+MrHairgrease | gef is for the asset properties | 19:30 |
perlmonkey2 | yeah, that didn't work. | 19:30 |
+MrHairgrease | not for collateral data editing | 19:30 |
+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2, are you building a form with tabs? | 19:31 |
perlmonkey2 | no | 19:31 |
perlmonkey2 | It is the ajaxified drag and drop pop up divs survey editor page | 19:31 |
@preaction | you could always have the normal view page redirect to www_editSurvey if and only if there is no survey yet made | 19:31 |
+MrHairgrease | your problem is that you want to go to www_editSurvey after func=add? | 19:32 |
+perlDreamer | I know it's too early, but I abstracted out a generic form builder for WebGUI in the WebGUI_Commerce branch | 19:32 |
perlmonkey2 | yes, but using proceed messed up the urls | 19:32 |
+perlDreamer | HTMLForm->dynamicForm | 19:32 |
+MrHairgrease | i take it you klnow of the proceed=editSurvey | 19:32 |
+MrHairgrease | oh | 19:32 |
+MrHairgrease | ic | 19:32 |
perlmonkey2 | plus, how does the user get back to the editSurvey page? | 19:32 |
@preaction | perlmonkey2, by clicking a link that has the URL | 19:32 |
perlmonkey2 | So maybe the view page should have the editSurvey link | 19:33 |
+MrHairgrease | yes | 19:33 |
perlmonkey2 | okay, I think that was progress. | 19:33 |
@preaction | only for those who can edit the survey of course | 19:33 |
perlmonkey2 | yes, a tmpl var I thik | 19:33 |
+MrHairgrease | <tmpl_if canEditSurvey><a href="<tmpl_var editSUrvey_url>"><tmpl_var editSurvey_label></a></tmpl_if> | 19:35 |
+MrHairgrease | something like that | 19:35 |
perlmonkey2 | cool thanks | 19:37 |
perlmonkey2 | brb, looging into the laptop | 19:37 |
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perlmonkey2 | The dispaly type, when you have multiple wobjects inside of a page layout, each wobject has had its www_view called, right? | 20:32 |
+perlDreamer | no, just ->view | 20:33 |
+perlDreamer | I'm pretty sure the distinction is that www_view will wrap it in a style | 20:33 |
@preaction | basically, yes | 20:33 |
perlmonkey2 | groovy | 20:44 |
perlmonkey2 | Good stuff to know | 20:45 |
perlmonkey2 | Okay, my view template creates a link to $var{'edit.survey.url'} = $self->getUrl('func=editSurvey') which is an anchor. But when I click on the link I get javascript errors which seem tobe claiming this "<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">" is the error. | 21:01 |
perlmonkey2 | I'm not even sure where to begin debugging that. | 21:01 |
@preaction | don't use . in template variable names | 21:03 |
@preaction | use _ instead | 21:03 |
perlmonkey2 | oh, I pulled that from the old Survey. | 21:03 |
perlmonkey2 | I really need to remember not to use it as example code. | 21:03 |
@preaction | yeah, that's old-school | 21:03 |
perlmonkey2 | But that shouldn't the problem right? | 21:03 |
@preaction | new-school is _ | 21:03 |
@preaction | no | 21:03 |
@preaction | are you trying to parse HTML output as JSON? | 21:04 |
perlmonkey2 | no, this isn't in an ajax call. | 21:04 |
@preaction | do you have a url i can see what you're seeing? | 21:04 |
perlmonkey2 | This is the link which calls www_editSurvey which loads my editSurvey template. That function used to work with proceed, but now firebug has ever js lib throwing a line 1 syntax error and pointing to the meta tag I quoted above. | 21:04 |
perlmonkey2 | preaction: yeah, but I'll hve to give you a loging with admin rights | 21:05 |
@preaction | are the javascript src="" pointing to the right url? | 21:05 |
perlmonkey2 | they worked before | 21:05 |
perlmonkey2 | <script src="extras/yui/build/connection/connection.js"></script> | 21:05 |
@preaction | it's relative, not absolute | 21:06 |
perlmonkey2 | <script type="text/javascript" src="extras/wobject/Survey/editsurvey.js"></script> | 21:06 |
@preaction | it needs to be /extras/, not extras/ | 21:06 |
perlmonkey2 | well that is the problem then | 21:06 |
perlmonkey2 | thanks :) | 21:06 |
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perlmonkey2 | "POST /home/untitled111111118?func=www_test is what is in my logs, but the second thing the www_test fuction does is write to the log, which I don't see. And the ajax response is the home page. | 21:13 |
perlmonkey2 | This stuff is making me very disoriented and I know I'm flailing badly. | 21:13 |
@preaction | func=www_test is wrong, func=test is correct | 21:14 |
+perlDreamer | webgui will prepend the www_ for you | 21:18 |
+perlDreamer | to prevent arbitrary function calling | 21:18 |
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perlmonkey2 | So in my wobject it needs to be www_test, but in the js, just test. And now, for th elife of me I can't get the new js file to load. ctrl-f5, cleared wg cache. nothing. | 21:19 |
+perlDreamer | yes to the first, no idea about your JS reloading | 21:21 |
perlmonkey2 | Is a log for perl instantiated with the session, or do I need to create one? | 21:22 |
perlmonkey2 | maybe that is why nothing is showing up in the logs now. | 21:22 |
+perlDreamer | it's made by the session, unless you're using an older version of WebGUI::Test for API testing | 21:23 |
perlmonkey2 | nope, latest svn update | 21:23 |
+perlDreamer | manual testing, or mech testing? | 21:23 |
perlmonkey2 | sub www_test{my $self=shift;$self->getLogger->errror("yay, I meade it here");} | 21:23 |
perlmonkey2 | manual | 21:23 |
perlmonkey2 | I just want the ajax call to www_test to write something to the log for now. | 21:24 |
+perlDreamer | $self->session->errorHandler->warn("Yay"); | 21:24 |
+perlDreamer | or, if you're passing it a session var, $session->errorHandler->warn("Yahoo"); | 21:24 |
perlmonkey2 | POST /home/untitled111111118?func=test in the access_log but nothing in webguilog | 21:25 |
+perlDreamer | how about error log? | 21:26 |
perlmonkey2 | my logging is apparently not set to shows warns. | 21:26 |
perlmonkey2 | but I just saw an ->error | 21:26 |
perlmonkey2 | yay! | 21:27 |
+perlDreamer | in log.conf, that can be changed | 21:27 |
perlmonkey2 | 1:30pm and I need a shot of something stiff. | 21:27 |
+perlDreamer | try lumber | 21:27 |
@preaction | a clue-by-four? | 21:28 |
perlmonkey2 | hah :) | 21:28 |
+perlDreamer | friends don't let contributors hack drunk | 21:28 |
@preaction | you've never heard of the Ballmer Peak i take it? | 21:29 |
+perlDreamer | no | 21:29 |
perlmonkey2 | hahahahaha | 21:29 |
@preaction | http://xkcd.com/323/ | 21:29 |
perlmonkey2 | my testarea div just magically ajaxed from "what da chuck" to "word yo"....yay, now just to figure out how WG pulls POST params. | 21:36 |
@preaction | session->form->get() | 21:38 |
perlmonkey2 | my $var .= $self->session->form->param("username"); | 21:38 |
perlmonkey2 | woot! | 21:38 |
perlmonkey2 | will ->get grab both GET and POST params? | 21:38 |
@preaction | param or process will work as well | 21:38 |
@preaction | yes | 21:38 |
@preaction | they get combined by Apache2::Request | 21:38 |
perlmonkey2 | I like sugar and that is certainly cugar | 21:38 |
perlmonkey2 | sugar | 21:38 |
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perlmonkey2 | get/process only returns the scalar you ask for or an array of all the params? | 22:02 |
perlmonkey2 | FormValidator->process says that, so I guess so. | 22:03 |
@preaction | in list context, it will return a proper list, so if there are multiple name=, it will return a list of those values | 22:04 |
@preaction | it works much like CGI->param does | 22:04 |
perlmonkey2 | I'm just being stupidly curios as I'm sure all my posts will be one data param with a json string. | 22:06 |
perlmonkey2 | Whew, I finally have JSON going both directions.....yay for progress even if it meant leaning heavily on people in IRC who have much better things to be doing than helping me. | 22:18 |
@preaction | eh, i'm sending mail back and forth to a listserv to determine how it works. but if i hit my pop3 too hard it kicks me off for 24 hours, so i have to wait patiently | 22:19 |
perlmonkey2 | that sucks | 22:24 |
@preaction | eh, it gives me time to catch up on email and other thing | 22:24 |
perlmonkey2 | heh | 22:24 |
perlmonkey2 | like helping perlmonkies | 22:25 |
perlmonkey2 | at least you aren't completely wasting your time, as this wobject is to be released under the GPL to WebGUI. | 22:25 |
@preaction | exactly | 22:27 |
@preaction | having: Gallery, Survey, Thingy, Commerce, and all the other stuff we've added to 7.5 is going to make this a HUGE release | 22:27 |
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+perlDreamer | ignorant question: do internationalized shopping carts use English names for countries? | 00:47 |
perlmonkey2 | countries have non-English names? | 00:47 |
perlmonkey2 | :P | 00:47 |
+perlDreamer | yeah, go figure :) | 00:47 |
@preaction | China isn't called "China" in china, it's some kanji for "The world" | 00:54 |
* perlDreamer starts to foresee some i18n problems with taxing and shipping | 01:00 |
+perlDreamer | but we shall see | 01:00 |
+perlDreamer | if you ship something to one place, but bill to another, do you use the billing address to calculate taxes? | 01:03 |
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@preaction | yeah, that's sounds right | 01:07 |
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Radix__ | you don't calculate taxes for another country tho | 01:13 |
+perlDreamer | no? | 01:14 |
Radix__ | no | 01:14 |
+perlDreamer | are all these rules written down somewhere accessible? | 01:14 |
Radix__ | taxes for other countries are done by the company themselves when it's imported | 01:14 |
Radix__ | s/company/country | 01:14 |
Radix__ | no idea | 01:15 |
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Syn1 | hi there | 14:25 |
Syn1 | I've compiled WRE 0.8.3 for debian etch ia32 | 14:25 |
Syn1 | sending it to upload.sf.net now | 14:27 |
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GooeyOfSteel | Wiki: WRE Installation - Edited on 3/4/2008 6:26 am by koen http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/wre-installation | 14:38 |
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SDuensin | Morning. | 15:54 |
estiven | Morning | 16:00 |
estiven | i install webgui using the source... and now i want to configure my instalation as a development enviroment... | 16:03 |
estiven | how i can do that? | 16:03 |
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estiven | i understann that i need to change Apache2::Reload so or somting like that.. | 16:04 |
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estiven | that's rigth? | 16:05 |
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BartJol | estiven sorry I don't know, but preaction or Radix might, but they just came in | 16:25 |
estiven | ok, thanks | 16:34 |
BartJol | oh I meant perlmonkey2 | 16:35 |
perlmonkey2 | eh? | 16:35 |
+Radix_ | wassup? | 16:35 |
BartJol | estiven wants to know something | 16:35 |
+Radix_ | obviously :) | 16:36 |
BartJol | hi radix, i'm fine two weeks till my drivers exam | 16:36 |
+Radix_ | ooh.. not long now then :) | 16:36 |
BartJol | yeah and then there's another danger on the roads | 16:36 |
BartJol | hopefully | 16:36 |
+Radix_ | heh | 16:36 |
ryuu_ro | Bartjol only 2 weeks time left to cruise the street safely :D | 16:37 |
+Radix_ | it's times like this that I'm glad I'm on an island :) | 16:37 |
+Radix_ | a big island, but an island nonetheless | 16:37 |
BartJol | didn't have any accidents up till now, but with an instructor besides me that's not too hard | 16:38 |
ryuu_ro | Hmmm I heard other stories....... | 16:38 |
+Radix_ | heh | 16:38 |
BartJol | only one then | 16:39 |
ryuu_ro | lol | 16:39 |
estiven | hi | 16:39 |
BartJol | it costed me dearly | 16:39 |
estiven | i install webgui using the source... and now i want to configure my instalation as a development enviroment... | 16:39 |
+Radix_ | estiven: why? | 16:39 |
+Radix_ | going to write your own perl assets and objects? | 16:40 |
estiven | because i need to restart apache for each change tha i do in my macros.... | 16:40 |
+Radix_ | yup | 16:40 |
+Radix_ | k, just checking you actually need it, that's all :) | 16:41 |
BartJol | is it necesary then? I just closed my firewall and restart it with perl wreservice --restart modproxy | 16:41 |
+Radix_ | http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/configure-the-wre-for-developers | 16:42 |
+Radix_ | there's a module for apache you can install that auto-reloads or something.. but I don't know the name myself - not used it personally | 16:44 |
estiven | mm, ok i looking for... | 16:44 |
BartJol | but then again, I'm not a real developer... | 16:46 |
ryuu_ro | isn't this apache::reload ? | 16:46 |
+Radix_ | yeah, that's the one | 16:47 |
estiven | http://search.cpan.org/~phred/Apache-Reload-0.10/lib/Apache/Reload.pm | 17:00 |
estiven | but PerlInitHandler Apache::Reload | 17:01 |
estiven | can that create problem whit: PerlInitHandler WebGUI directive? | 17:02 |
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wgGuest32 | hello | 17:07 |
Syn1 | ah rizen | 17:08 |
estiven | Hi | 17:08 |
Syn1 | please get the compiled version of the wre 0.8.3 from uploads.sf.net before it's gone again | 17:09 |
@rizen | did. just emailed you | 17:09 |
Syn1 | ah :) | 17:09 |
wgGuest32 | i have created a dataform with some fields, one of them is type file. the data form has the email data enabled. so when i tested i filled all the fields without problem. the message is sent to the email but i don't see the file that i attached in the message | 17:11 |
wgGuest32 | appears the id related to the upload file | 17:12 |
wgGuest32 | i don't know what is happening? | 17:13 |
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estiven | mmm, what version of webgui do you have? | 17:27 |
wgGuest32 | i have 7.4.21 | 17:29 |
Syn1 | bart, is the Dutch translation for WebGUI 7.4.26 the same as the one for 7.4.19 ? | 17:35 |
BartJol | mmm | 17:35 |
BartJol | well, since 7.5 came out, I didn't have to check that | 17:36 |
Syn1 | ah right | 17:36 |
BartJol | 7.4.21 is the same as 7.4.19 | 17:36 |
Syn1 | you need a translation server | 17:36 |
BartJol | i do | 17:36 |
BartJol | see mantis | 17:36 |
Syn1 | yeah | 17:36 |
Syn1 | and I will make you one | 17:36 |
BartJol | great | 17:36 |
BartJol | maar jij ziet dus geen enorm grote fouten | 17:37 |
BartJol | sorry for the dutch, wrong tab | 17:37 |
estiven | wgGuest32 i try to reproduce your error, and i have the same result... | 17:38 |
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wgGuest32 | hello again | 17:56 |
wgGuest32 | i have created a dataform with some fields, one of them is type file. the data form has the email data enabled. so when i tested i filled all the fields without problem. the message is sent to the email but i don't see the file that i attached in the message | 17:56 |
wgGuest32 | appears the id related to the upload file | 17:57 |
wgGuest32 | someone knows what happen? | 17:57 |
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+perlDreamer | I love it when Microsoft stabs its business partners in the back | 18:44 |
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perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: What do you mean stab them in the back.... | 18:54 |
+perlDreamer | http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20080304/tc_pcworld/143098;_ylt=Ag2sbH7oiBZhDuXTSEDJhcGs0NUE | 19:06 |
@preaction | nice | 19:09 |
perlmonkey2 | That could be used as the definition of "stab in the back". | 19:33 |
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@preaction | has anyone noticed that if you select some text in a rich text editor and right-click, you get the box to create a hyperlink? | 20:16 |
@preaction | i can't seem to make it happen in IE6, FF2, or Safari 3 | 20:16 |
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perlmonkey2 | Every time I edit a template, a new version is created in the DB? | 20:18 |
@preaction | yes | 20:19 |
perlmonkey2 | I've written a script which takes a text file and loads it into the asset table. This way I can edit the html in vim. But to make it work, I'd just update the template with the newest revisionDate right? | 20:20 |
@preaction | it automagically happens if you get WebGUI::Asset->newByDynamicClass( $session, $assetId ); | 20:20 |
@preaction | you get the latest revision. | 20:20 |
@preaction | then you can just $asset->update( new properties ); | 20:20 |
perlmonkey2 | oh, this is like a 4 line script just to load the html file into the db | 20:21 |
perlmonkey2 | doens't use WG api | 20:21 |
@preaction | bad idea | 20:22 |
perlmonkey2 | but never mind....something is screwed up.....when I created the template, I told it Survey and Edit for the namespace, but it created only an Edit namespace. So I changed the namespace in the DB. I thought that fixed it, but now I see like 20 versions with just Edit and only one with Survey/Edit. And apparently the one I've been updating via WG, isn't the right one. I think I need to rm -rf and start completely 100% over. | 20:23 |
perlmonkey2 | I wish the template editor in WG told you what namespace it was in and maybe let you change it. | 20:23 |
@preaction | can't change it, but the Metadata tab shows which one it's in | 20:24 |
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+perlDreamer | it's a bad day | 20:48 |
+perlDreamer | Gary Gygax passed away | 20:48 |
@preaction | yeah :'( | 20:48 |
+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: my templateFiler utility does the same thing, but it uses the API. Much safer | 20:57 |
perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: I keep getting caught up in things I don't undersand about WG. I ust need to finish the survey sysem and I can learn about the things that don't involve the Survey system later. | 21:08 |
+perlDreamer | cool | 21:09 |
ckotil | perlmonkey2: the template editor shows the name space in the metadata tab. but you cant change it | 21:17 |
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perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: heh, okay, so maybe I don't want to work on ~10 different templates in the WG editor. Maybe you wouldn't mind sending that template loading script to stupidmonkey@lostokies.com ? | 22:38 |
+perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/user_contributions/user_contributions/miscellaneous/template-import-and-export-utility-for-webgui-7_3#67s1xKEeGw_ZujD9VizRZA | 22:38 |
perlmonkey2 | Thanks perlDreamer | 22:41 |
@apeiron | heisenbugs-- # annoying, hard to track down | 23:01 |
perlmonkey2 | Okay, the template that I edit in WG, is not the template that my wobject gets when it asks for that property. Would I be messing things up badly if I just deleted everything with that assetId in template and in asset? | 23:02 |
perlmonkey2 | Dang it, I even deleted that template, created a new one, changed the wobject to default to the new assid, and I still get the wrong template. | 23:04 |
perlmonkey2 | had to create a new wobject....nevermind | 23:08 |
+perlDreamer | wG seems really slow this week | 23:44 |
+perlDreamer | community/dev-wise | 23:44 |
@preaction | i feel asleep! | 23:45 |
@preaction | wait. what's that from... | 23:45 |
CIA-21 | WebGUI: doug * r5708 /WebGUI/ (11 files in 8 dirs): | 23:45 |
CIA-21 | WebGUI: fix: GalleryAlbum and Photo were not showing correct confirmation messages on editSave | 23:45 |
CIA-21 | WebGUI: add: Ability to edit comments to Photos | 23:45 |
CIA-21 | WebGUI: add: Ability to choose which rich editor for Albums | 23:45 |
+perlDreamer | Wizard of Oz? | 23:45 |
@preaction | i think some engrish translation of some video game | 23:47 |
@preaction | i worry sometimes that i'm adding too much configuration. the ability to change the rich editor for each user-facing part of the Gallery? (albums, files, and comments) | 23:50 |
+perlDreamer | yeah, if you start to have a config as big as the CS, it's time to worry | 23:50 |
@preaction | there are, at least, 14 templates associated with the Gallery now | 23:51 |
@preaction | 17 | 23:51 |
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+perlDreamer | I think you win | 00:02 |
CIA-21 | WebGUI: graham * r5709 /WebGUI/ (12 files in 4 dirs): new colorpicker | 00:03 |
@preaction | yeah. it's only going to get better/worse | 00:04 |
@preaction | i'm beating the Calendar now ;-) | 00:04 |
@preaction | calendar and collab are probably tied | 00:04 |
+perlDreamer | rizen: Are you still trying to water cool your computers? | 00:05 |
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@rizen | yes i am | 00:07 |
@rizen | i was manning the pumps from sunday at 10pm straight through until 2:30pm on monday | 00:07 |
@rizen | it wouldn't have been so bad except that on saturday night i only got 2 hours of sleep | 00:07 |
+perlDreamer | all plugged up now? | 00:08 |
@rizen | the melt is mostly gone | 00:09 |
@rizen | but it's pooling a little again...hopefully the drains thaw out soon so i don't have to keep pumping | 00:09 |
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+perlDreamer | does this happen every winter? | 00:29 |
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@rizen | anope | 00:30 |
@rizen | nope only this winter | 00:30 |
@rizen | my neighbors and i are already trying to figure out why this happened for future | 00:30 |
@rizen | man email sux | 00:30 |
+perlDreamer | buried? | 00:30 |
@rizen | i had over 100 actionable emails this morning | 00:30 |
wgGuest32 | MrHairgrease, can you help me with a question? | 00:31 |
@rizen | i've got it down to 21 but that's taken all day | 00:31 |
@rizen | perlDreamer, i spoke to a client today about the donation asset. | 00:31 |
+perlDreamer | cool! | 00:32 |
@rizen | she said we should try to make it an option so you can do recurring payments | 00:32 |
@rizen | so that brings up a potential problem | 00:32 |
@rizen | we've already got sku's that do single payments (products) | 00:32 |
@rizen | and some that do recurring (subscriptions) | 00:32 |
@rizen | but does it seem feasible to do an asset that could be either? | 00:32 |
+perlDreamer | how about a mixin? | 00:33 |
+perlDreamer | adding subscriptions to what we need when needed? | 00:33 |
+perlDreamer | or a trait | 00:33 |
@rizen | but it's not the same as a subscription | 00:33 |
@rizen | yeah, a trait was something i was thinking about | 00:33 |
@rizen | but i know very little about aspect oriented programming | 00:33 |
@rizen | anyway...not something i have time to talk about right now...just thought it was an interesting thing to think about | 00:34 |
@preaction | i was doing some research the other night, Class::Trait just seems bad. mixin.pm works nicely and handles inheritence automagically | 00:34 |
@rizen | and something to add to the todo list should we get the commerce system completed in time to have extra things | 00:34 |
+perlDreamer | I've got my head wrapped around Cart, CartItem, SKU and Tax right now, to help build the calculate method for Tax. | 00:34 |
@rizen | how's that coming pd? | 00:35 |
+perlDreamer | it takes a bunch of code to handle addresses | 00:35 |
+perlDreamer | to get an address, I need a book | 00:35 |
+perlDreamer | so I need a book in the testing code, and another in the calculate method | 00:36 |
@rizen | It should be as simple as my $book = WebGUI::Shop::AddressBook->create($session); | 00:36 |
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@rizen | foreach my $address (@{$book->getAddresses}) { | 00:37 |
@rizen | shoudl it not? | 00:37 |
+perlDreamer | I want to pull one particular address by Id, so I'm using WebGUI::Shop::Address->new($book, $id); | 00:37 |
@rizen | ah, we should add a utility method to $book to allow you to do $book->getAddress($id); | 00:38 |
@rizen | that way you only have one use and one constructor | 00:38 |
@rizen | i'll add that method now | 00:38 |
* rizen hopes nobody notices that he's supposed to be responding to email rather than coding | 00:39 |
+perlDreamer | I can add the method. | 00:39 |
+perlDreamer | I'm starting to get sick, and that makes me extra cranky and lazy. | 00:39 |
@rizen | no no, heh, i need a break from email | 00:39 |
* perlDreamer starts Operation SmokeScreen | 00:39 |
@rizen | ok done | 00:41 |
@rizen | preaction: is mixin.pm something you wrote? | 00:42 |
@preaction | no. it's in cpan | 00:42 |
@preaction | i did write something that was a lot like a mix of the two (mixin and Class::Trait), but mixin handles SUPER:: automatically, and my code doesn't, which i believe was one of your requirements set to me for asset mixins (it be drop-and-go) | 00:43 |
@preaction | and the mixins i've made so far are indeed drop-and-go. | 00:43 |
@rizen | nice | 00:44 |
CIA-21 | WebGUI: jt * r5710 /branch/WebGUI_Commerce/lib/WebGUI/Shop/AddressBook.pm: added utility method | 00:46 |
@rizen | i can't wait to be back on commerce tomorrow...man today sucked | 00:46 |
+perlDreamer | did you get the updates from over the weekend? | 00:47 |
@rizen | reading and writing email all day is worse than manning the flood pumps for two days without sleep | 00:47 |
@rizen | what updates? | 00:47 |
+perlDreamer | I wrote tests for AddressBook and Address and fixed some bugs and typos | 00:47 |
@rizen | didn't i write tests? | 00:48 |
@rizen | maybe i forgot to check them in | 00:48 |
@rizen | i was sure i did | 00:48 |
+perlDreamer | that could be | 00:48 |
@rizen | crap..i didn't...i'm sorry, i don't know what i was thinking | 00:49 |
@rizen | thank you for covering my ass, i'm sorry you had to do that | 00:49 |
+perlDreamer | No problem. Didn't you just write some code for me? | 00:49 |
@rizen | i hardly think that 1 method is equiv | 00:49 |
@rizen | but point taken...we're working together | 00:49 |
@rizen | ok better get back to email to see if i can finish this up before the end of the day | 00:50 |
+perlDreamer | good luck :) | 00:51 |
wgGuest32 | MrHairgrease, can you help me with a question? | 00:51 |
+perlDreamer | wgGuest32, MrHairgrease is in Europe, he's probably asleed | 00:54 |
@preaction | wgGuest32, but if you ask the channel, perhaps someone else can help you | 00:56 |
wgGuest32 | perlDreamer, do you know why the sql form doesn't have incluided the select box in the manage field types? | 00:56 |
+perlDreamer | No. That may have been a decision in the original design. | 00:57 |
wgGuest32 | but i think it is a esential field form | 00:57 |
@rizen | wgGuest32 do you want to argue that you think it's super important, or do you just want to request that it be added as a feature? | 00:58 |
wgGuest32 | i want to incluied it by myself | 00:59 |
wgGuest32 | is it difficult? | 00:59 |
@preaction | shouldn't be too bad. i thought there was either a list, or it uses "profileEnabled" to decide | 01:00 |
+perlDreamer | if you do the programming, you should submit your patch as an RFE. It could be included back into the core. | 01:01 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: last time I checked, no | 01:01 |
+perlDreamer | it's manual | 01:01 |
@preaction | ah | 01:01 |
@rizen | unfortunately it wasn't written to just plug in the form controls that are plugged in to webgui | 01:02 |
@rizen | that's one of the reasons it's being removed and replaced by Thingy | 01:02 |
wgGuest32 | ok, thanks for your advices | 01:03 |
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+MrHairgrease | fwiw, when i worte the sqlform the form controls weren't pluggable yet as far as i can recall | 01:08 |
+MrHairgrease | also there was only selectBox and not selectList (or the other way around) | 01:08 |
+MrHairgrease | that's why only one is in the list | 01:08 |
@preaction | ah | 01:09 |
+MrHairgrease | oh and btw, i'm not yet asleep | 01:09 |
+MrHairgrease | but that won't be the case for very long | 01:09 |
@preaction | i'm still leaning towards making GalleryFile into an AssetMixin, not a asset to subclass | 01:09 |
@preaction | wait, nm, won't work. | 01:09 |
@preaction | WebGUI::Asset::File::GalleryFile it is | 01:09 |
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+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: where do you live? | 01:54 |
perlmonkey2 | oklahoma | 01:59 |
perlmonkey2 | oklahoma city | 01:59 |
+perlDreamer | how much sales tax do you pay? | 02:00 |
perlmonkey2 | I hve no idea | 02:00 |
perlmonkey2 | 8% | 02:02 |
perlmonkey2 | why do you ask? plan on moving? | 02:03 |
nuba | perlmonkey2: now, bank account number, with pin, please? ;) | 02:04 |
perlmonkey2 | 753409363453422 9011 | 02:04 |
+perlDreamer | I need semi decent tax data for testing | 02:04 |
perlmonkey2 | then what did you need my account number and pin for? | 02:05 |
@preaction | now, i need you social security number and mother's maiden name | 02:05 |
+perlDreamer | that was nuba | 02:05 |
+perlDreamer | He'd like to borrow some money | 02:05 |
+perlDreamer | and probably already has :) | 02:05 |
nuba | done. thx! | 02:05 |
perlmonkey2 | 988-37-2256 Simpson. | 02:05 |
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perlmonkey2 | you sure it is a good idea to put out my info on irc? | 02:06 |
nuba | its a great idea!..... ...not! | 02:07 |
perlmonkey2 | just not for me :) | 02:07 |
perlmonkey2 | brb | 02:07 |
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nuba | perlmonkey2: i hope you didnt really posted any sensitive info here | 02:10 |
perlmonkey2 | hah....I wondered if I was pretending to be too ignorant and had worried anyone. No, I didn't, but thanks for checking. | 02:10 |
perlmonkey2 | I just hope I didn't actually post anyones real information | 02:11 |
nuba | theres the channel regulars, who are all "good people", but the channel's logs are crawlable and indexable .... | 02:11 |
@preaction | hey, if you type your plainblack password it shows up as all *'s, see: ******** | 02:11 |
perlmonkey2 | and some irc bot scarfs it up, posts it to a web log, a crawler grabs it, and some eviledoodz attack someone, because I randomly picked their number. | 02:11 |
nuba | cool, let me test... | 02:11 |
nuba | my password is ***** | 02:11 |
nuba | whoa, it works! | 02:11 |
+perlDreamer | hm | 02:11 |
perlmonkey2 | hah | 02:11 |
+perlDreamer | only five characters.... | 02:12 |
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nuba | actually its 32 but for security reasons it defaults to showing only 5 stars. | 02:12 |
perlmonkey2 | my password is p@33Ow4d | 02:13 |
+perlDreamer | preaction's must be broken, then | 02:13 |
nuba | this reminds me of something funny, brb.. | 02:13 |
+perlDreamer | his showed 8 | 02:13 |
perlmonkey2 | wait...did that show up as all *'s for you guys? | 02:13 |
nuba | sure thing | 02:13 |
@preaction | yup, it showed up like p@33Ow4d | 02:13 |
nuba | 5 *s | 02:13 |
perlmonkey2 | oh man...that sucks! | 02:13 |
@preaction | why? | 02:13 |
perlmonkey2 | you said it would change my pwd to *'s | 02:13 |
+perlDreamer | never believe anything preaction tells you | 02:14 |
perlmonkey2 | now I need to change my pwd | 02:14 |
* nuba LOLs at such bash.org reenactment | 02:14 |
perlmonkey2 | I'm just kidding....that isn't my pwd :D | 02:14 |
@preaction | i copy/pasted the *'s, but it shows up as your password | 02:14 |
perlmonkey2 | if you copy pasted the *'s and they showed up as *'s, then that sounds highly crackable. | 02:14 |
perlmonkey2 | I mean 'showed up as my pwd' | 02:15 |
nuba | Error Message: Your Password Must Be at Least 18770 Characters and Cannot Repeat Any of Your Previous 30689 Passwords (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/q276304/) | 02:15 |
+perlDreamer | it doesn't matter | 02:15 |
+perlDreamer | m$ stores all passwords as clear text anyway | 02:15 |
perlmonkey2 | well, given how secure the rest of MS systems are, it is perfectly reasonable to store them as plain text. | 02:16 |
nuba | hah, good luck brute forcing 18770 chars... | 02:16 |
+perlDreamer | corner cases are easy :) | 02:16 |
nuba | GooeyOfSteel: check www.imaterial.org | 02:17 |
GooeyOfSteel | www.imaterial.org Server: Apache/2.0.59 (Unix) WebGUI/7.4.25 mod_ssl/2.0.59 OpenSSL/0.9.7i mod_apreq2-20051231/2.5.7 mod_perl/2.0.2 Perl/v5.8.8 | Generator: WebGUI 7.4.25 | 02:17 |
nuba | good, its still working | 02:18 |
perlmonkey2 | GooeyOfSteel: check www.lostokies.com | 02:18 |
GooeyOfSteel | www.lostokies.com Server: Apache/2.2.3 (CentOS) | Generator: WebGUI 7.5.4 | 02:18 |
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nuba | guess there hasnt been much action at the community wiki lately | 02:20 |
nuba | btw guys, google apps for your domains (aka GAFYD) now features Websites | 02:22 |
nuba | with some standard templates, | 02:22 |
nuba | collab features | 02:22 |
nuba | versioning | 02:22 |
nuba | comments, file attachments | 02:22 |
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nuba | some gadgets, google-docs-like interface | 02:22 |
perlmonkey2 | that starting to sound like a CMS. | 02:23 |
nuba | yes, i think its something worth checking out | 02:23 |
nuba | let me see what else... | 02:23 |
nuba | subscribe to pages/site changes | 02:24 |
nuba | site sharing can be set individually or with the entire domain | 02:24 |
nuba | no groups, but thats probably one of the next features to come... | 02:25 |
perlmonkey2 | This shouldn't hurt WG as much as the php* crowd. The hobbyist will flock to this. | 02:25 |
nuba | sharing categories: as owners as collaborators as viewers | 02:25 |
nuba | you can personalize the theme, if you dont like the default ones | 02:25 |
nuba | you can create as many websites as you want, and set that differently for each site | 02:26 |
nuba | guess thats it | 02:26 |
nuba | that was a quick rundown on the features | 02:26 |
nuba | the thing with this is it isnt a standalone offering | 02:27 |
perlmonkey2 | what does that mean, that it isn't standalone? | 02:28 |
nuba | you should look at it as part of a bundle of apps which are free for small companies, and educational or non-proit users too | 02:28 |
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perlmonkey2 | So the target audience of WG? | 02:28 |
nuba | i was going to deploy a webgui setup for my CS department, to provide the website feature | 02:28 |
+perlDreamer | WG usually shoots larger than that | 02:29 |
nuba | while i have already deployed GAFYD for the mail, im, calendar, etc. | 02:29 |
CIA-21 | WebGUI: jt * r5711 /translations/French/French/ (Asset_Navigation.pm WebGUI.pm): update_from_translation_server | 02:29 |
nuba | both using a LDAP backend | 02:29 |
nuba | now, it makes it harder for me to sell webgui there | 02:29 |
nuba | im not saying "big truths" or making "big forecasts" folks | 02:30 |
nuba | this is just a use case, mine. | 02:30 |
nuba | i think even if this thing doesnt looks quite like webgui doesnt mean they wont compete | 02:31 |
+perlDreamer | true, and it could grow from here, too. | 02:33 |
nuba | see, im not rooting for one thing or another, i just thought this thing would be a nice topic to throw at the channel and discuss | 02:33 |
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nuba | also worth of notice is that to get a GAFYD going the only thing you need to do is set the DNS | 02:36 |
perlmonkey2 | Luckily a tiny little company like Google could never hope to compete with PB. | 02:36 |
nuba | and even that can be delayed if you dont mind demoing it with urls like http://sites.google.com/a/bcc.ic.uff.br/ | 02:36 |
nuba | instead of sites.bcc.ic.uff.br | 02:37 |
+Radix-wrk | what have google done now? | 02:37 |
nuba | [20:52] < nuba> | btw guys, google apps for your domains (aka GAFYD) now features Websites +Radix_ | 02:38 |
+Radix-wrk | google apps for your domains hmm | 02:38 |
nuba | nuba> | with some standard templates, collab features, versioning, comments, file attachments | 02:39 |
+Radix-wrk | can you plug them into a webgui site? | 02:39 |
nuba | you can use single signon | 02:40 |
nuba | or have both refer to a LDAP server | 02:40 |
nuba | or even keep things separated but in sync with the provisioning/report API, which is what im doing | 02:41 |
+Radix-wrk | $50/account/year huh | 02:41 |
+Radix-wrk | for premium edition anyway | 02:41 |
nuba | well all my GAFYD setups are educational and/or non-profit, so we get the premium for free | 02:42 |
nuba | but the standard version is awesome too | 02:43 |
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CIA-21 | WebGUI: colin * r5712 /branch/WebGUI_Commerce/ (4 files in 3 dirs): | 02:49 |
CIA-21 | WebGUI: Remove an extra my from Shop::Cart. | 02:49 |
CIA-21 | WebGUI: Add the getTaxRates method to Tax, with tests. | 02:49 |
CIA-21 | WebGUI: Add some calculate code to Tax, with tests, which don't pass yet. | 02:49 |
+Radix-wrk | Looks interesting | 02:51 |
+Radix-wrk | can see a little overlap with webgui, but certainly wouldn't see it as a replacement | 02:51 |
+Radix-wrk | shame you can't just plug google gadgets and apps into an existing website easily tho | 02:52 |
+Radix-wrk | that'd be awesome | 02:52 |
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diakopter | preaction: i'm curious if you or anyone else know if the Dashboard still works in 7.4+ | 03:55 |
@preaction | should work just fine | 03:55 |
@preaction | if it doesn't, that'd be a bug | 03:55 |
@preaction | it's just being called "beta" now | 03:55 |
@preaction | because JT thinks it could be better, or needs a rewrite or something. it's subject to change | 03:55 |
diakopter | aww. everything could be better. | 03:56 |
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wgGuest21 | hello | 04:16 |
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+perlDreamer | you guys don't have to leave just because I came back | 04:51 |
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+perlDreamer | aw, ya came back | 05:03 |
CIA-21 | WebGUI: colin * r5713 /branch/WebGUI_Commerce/ (lib/WebGUI/Shop/Tax.pm t/Shop/Tax.t lib/WebGUI/Shop/Cart.pm): | 06:03 |
CIA-21 | WebGUI: Update the POD for Cart.pm. Return value for addItem is not items in cart, it's the | 06:03 |
CIA-21 | WebGUI: created item. | 06:03 |
CIA-21 | WebGUI: Finish up the Tax calculate method, with tests. | 06:03 |
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CIA-21 | WebGUI: graham * r5714 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/AssetLineage.pm): fixed: Child assets not indicated by plus sign in uncommited tags | 07:21 |
CIA-21 | WebGUI: graham * r5715 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/AssetLineage.pm): fixed: Child assets not indicated by plus sign in uncommited tags | 07:43 |
CIA-21 | WebGUI: graham * r5716 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.4.27 release | 07:43 |
CIA-21 | WebGUI: jt * r5717 /releases/WebGUI_7.4.27-stable: Release 7.4.27-stable | 08:02 |
CIA-21 | WebGUI: graham * r5718 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (4 files in 4 dirs): preparing for 7.4.28 | 08:02 |
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SDuensin | Morning. | 16:12 |
ckotil | Good Morning | 16:15 |
BartJol | Morning | 16:18 |
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perlmonkey2 | In the Survey System, question text will be able to include answers from previous questions. ie. in Q2, you could have "What do you like about <S1Q1>?" where S1Q1 is the answer from section 1 question 1. My question is, should it grab the displayed answer, the recorded answer, or add some syntax to let the user choose? | 17:15 |
perlmonkey2 | And does anyone see a problem with that scheme? | 17:17 |
perlmonkey2 | I think I'll just add some syntax to allow the designer to chose. S1Q1D or S1Q1R and have S1Q1 default to S1Q1R. | 17:20 |
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+perlDreamer | kill -HUP perlDreamer | 17:53 |
@rizen | noooooooo!!!!! | 17:53 |
@rizen | i need him | 17:53 |
@rizen | leave him alone | 17:53 |
+perlDreamer | there are runaway processes in perlDreamer | 17:53 |
+perlDreamer | he needs to reboot | 17:53 |
@rizen | find a way to kill the runaways | 17:54 |
+perlDreamer | actually, first he needs to call in sick to $dayJob | 17:54 |
@rizen | without killing pd | 17:54 |
@rizen | hehe | 17:54 |
@rizen | $dayJob->call($sickness); | 17:54 |
perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: ohnoooes, you gots teh s1kn3ss | 17:57 |
perlmonkey2 | seems like an excessive amount of funk is going around this year. | 17:57 |
+perlDreamer | now that we've switched to Linux boxen at work, I can almost work completely remotely | 17:59 |
+perlDreamer | but not today | 17:59 |
+perlDreamer | just email | 17:59 |
@rizen | everyone's got to have the sickness, cuz everyone seems to need the cure | 17:59 |
+perlDreamer | I'm blaming nuba | 17:59 |
+perlDreamer | he made me worry about wG future with Google building mini-CMS sites | 18:00 |
@rizen | damn the google! | 18:00 |
+perlDreamer | actually, that would be a cool TBB entry, talking about it | 18:00 |
@rizen | but the people they're picking up weren't likely to be webgui customers anyway | 18:00 |
@rizen | good idea | 18:01 |
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perlmonkey2 | rizen: that was my thought, that only the hobbyists and those who use the php* junk would be moving. | 18:05 |
+perlDreamer | rizen: see yesterday's irc logs for the talk about it | 18:06 |
+perlDreamer | after this line | 18:07 |
+perlDreamer | tw guys, google apps for your domains (aka GAFYD) now features Websites | 18:07 |
@rizen | they do allow a lot more cool dynamic stuff than any other of the free/cheap do it yourself sites | 18:10 |
@rizen | but all the sites basically look the same | 18:11 |
@rizen | and they certainly don't offer everything webgui does | 18:11 |
@rizen | the super coolest thing is though that you instantly have google search on your site | 18:13 |
@rizen | although the sites they create a pretty small i'm guessing, so that's not nearly as important | 18:13 |
+perlDreamer | I think the killer app will be integration | 18:14 |
+perlDreamer | integrating other google things into the sites seamlessly | 18:14 |
@rizen | they've already got that really | 18:15 |
@rizen | with the widget concept | 18:15 |
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perlmonkey2 | okay, I don't think I'm grok'ing javascript closures properly. But I want a single ajax object that events pass a callback closure to, which itself contains a success and failure closure. Is that not the "javascript way"? | 18:19 |
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lisette | hello | 18:33 |
+perlDreamer | hello | 18:34 |
lisette | which is the module for send emails from webgui? | 18:34 |
+perlDreamer | WebGUI::Mail::Send | 18:34 |
lisette | and how to use? | 18:36 |
+perlDreamer | perldoc WebGUI::Mail::Send | 18:36 |
lisette | thanks | 18:36 |
+perlDreamer | lisette, if you should ever find any module in the WebGUI core that does not have documentation, or has bad documentation, please file a bug about it, and it will be fixed. | 18:42 |
+perlDreamer | We do it all the time | 18:42 |
+perlDreamer | to try and make it easier for people to use the code. | 18:42 |
lisette | ok | 18:50 |
CIA-21 | WebGUI: jt * r5719 /branch/WebGUI_Commerce/lib/WebGUI/Shop/ (Tax.pm Address.pm CartItem.pm Cart.pm): added some helper methods for addressing, and got the cart closer to working | 19:00 |
CIA-21 | WebGUI: jt * r5720 /branch/WebGUI_Commerce/lib/WebGUI/Shop/Tax.pm: made it use a helper method | 19:00 |
@rizen | wow that took a long time | 19:02 |
+perlDreamer | yeah | 19:03 |
+perlDreamer | it's constipated | 19:03 |
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@rizen | i'm working on the address chooser function | 19:07 |
@rizen | so we can actually see the fruits of your tax labor | 19:07 |
nuba | [12:29] <+perlDreamer> I'm blaming nuba | 19:07 |
nuba | oh come on | 19:07 |
nuba | dont shoot the messenger | 19:07 |
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@rizen | i'm blaming nuba too, just cuz it's fun | 19:08 |
BartJol | nuba all people here blame me, because I'm the newby and I mess things up | 19:09 |
nuba | i blame google for making "student websites" so easy to my computer science dept and thus making it harder to sell webgui to them. | 19:11 |
nuba | rizen: yesterday i tried shaking the channel a bit with that topic, but nobody was really excited about it | 19:11 |
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BartJol | well have to cook | 19:15 |
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nuba | splitty here, huh? | 19:23 |
+perlDreamer | guess so | 19:23 |
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perlmonkey2 | axod is explaining his problems and why he's kicking 800 people off irc in ##javascript | 20:09 |
perlDreame1 | oh really? | 20:12 |
perlDreame1 | is it logged somewhere? | 20:12 |
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GooeyOfSteel | Wiki: WRE-FAQ - Edited on 3/5/2008 12:30 pm by JT http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/wre-faq | 20:41 |
perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: My bad, he was talking about an irc client he has for his own server that dumped 800 users on his own irc esrver. | 20:49 |
+perlDreamer | no sweat, dude | 20:52 |
perlmonkey2 | $self->session->id->generate() what is that generating? A unique assetId? | 20:56 |
perlmonkey2 | Let me back up | 20:56 |
perlmonkey2 | I want to know how I get the assetId of the current instance of a survey, and what I should use as my foreign key for Survey_Questions/Sections/Answers/Responses. | 20:57 |
perlmonkey2 | I would think I would use the assetId for the current survey? | 20:58 |
+perlDreamer | $self->getId | 21:02 |
+perlDreamer | id->generate generates a custom, base64 MD5 hash | 21:02 |
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wgGuest25 | wow.. IRC | 21:02 |
+perlDreamer | yeah, isn't it cool? | 21:02 |
wgGuest25 | haven't been on one of these since I was like... 6 | 21:03 |
+perlDreamer | Perchance, do you have a WebGUI related question? | 21:03 |
wgGuest25 | I do... do you have webGUI related answers? | 21:03 |
+perlDreamer | perchance | 21:03 |
perlmonkey2 | The original Survey has an assetId and then generates a new hash for the Survey_id. Is there a reason to just not use the assetId as the SurveyId (the surveyid was used as the foreign keys in the other collateral tables). | 21:03 |
perlmonkey2 | wgGuest25: perlDreamer has *all* the answers. | 21:04 |
wgGuest25 | alright. I have several sites that are running an OLD (circa 2003-2004) version of WebGUI, so these may sound like stupid questions because I'm not used to all this new stuff | 21:04 |
+perlDreamer | 'salright | 21:04 |
wgGuest25 | but I just set up a new server, with the latest version of (ubuntu and webgui) | 21:04 |
perlmonkey2 | congrats | 21:04 |
wgGuest25 | used the WRE, successfully | 21:04 |
perlmonkey2 | isn't it cool? | 21:05 |
wgGuest25 | i can upload photos from any section of the site, EXCEPT for the inline-editor. | 21:05 |
wgGuest25 | They just show up as broken image boxes | 21:05 |
+perlDreamer | anything in the webgui.log file? | 21:05 |
wgGuest25 | with the WRE, does everything log to /etc/WebGUI/.... whatever? | 21:06 |
wgGuest25 | or does it break logs down into individual sites | 21:06 |
@rizen | perlmonkey2 survey_id was a stupid thing that i should have never added | 21:06 |
+perlDreamer | /data/wre/logs, I believe | 21:07 |
perlmonkey2 | rizen: well bare with me, as I'm apparently a slow WG learner, but then that means it is a good idea to use the assetId as the foreign key? | 21:07 |
+perlDreamer | and (not being a WRE user myself), I'm pretty sure that all WebGUI's log to the same file | 21:07 |
wgGuest25 | no directory /data/wre/logs | 21:07 |
@rizen | it's /data/wre/var/logs | 21:07 |
perlmonkey2 | s/bare/bear/ | 21:07 |
@rizen | pm2: yes use the assetId as a key | 21:08 |
+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: ew | 21:08 |
perlmonkey2 | groovy | 21:08 |
perlmonkey2 | heh | 21:08 |
perlmonkey2 | "NO, NO, don't take off your clothes...my eyes, my eyes....they BUUUURN!" | 21:08 |
wgGuest25 | that's more like what i'm used to seeing in IRC | 21:08 |
wgGuest25 | welcome to being 6 years old :) | 21:08 |
* perlmonkey2 hopes to stay that way forever. | 21:09 |
wgGuest25 | haha | 21:09 |
wgGuest25 | i'm attempting to add an image now while tailing the log file | 21:09 |
wgGuest25 | main::[[undef]] - Can't make a thumbnail for a file that is not in my storage location. | 21:10 |
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Slickware | did I stump | 21:12 |
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@rizen | it's most likely a privileges problem | 21:13 |
@rizen | make sure your uploads folders are owned by your apache user | 21:13 |
Slickware | i feel like it should be too - but shouldn't the WRE have set that up? | 21:13 |
Slickware | i don't even have apache actually installed | 21:13 |
Slickware | i let the WRE do EVERYTHING | 21:13 |
@rizen | it should, that doesn't mean it doesn't have a bug, or that you didn't do something correctly...there's always the chance for something going wrong | 21:14 |
Slickware | especially with webgui | 21:14 |
Slickware | i remember the days before the WRE :) | 21:14 |
@rizen | what? | 21:14 |
@rizen | webgui roxorz | 21:14 |
Slickware | it was like installing Murphy's Law | 21:14 |
Slickware | especially all those damn CPAN things | 21:14 |
Slickware | "can't make, install seems impossible" | 21:15 |
@rizen | true...hence the wre | 21:16 |
dionak | the more powerful an application, the more chance that something can go wrong. | 21:16 |
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nuba | heh, my first webgui install to a hosting that had no shell access, and just the core perl libs. had to use cgitelnet.pl and install to a local box having similar OS/arch, then upload and testenvironment again and again.. | 21:18 |
Slickware | ouch | 21:18 |
nuba | early 5.x days | 21:18 |
Slickware | hey.. i still have a 5.x server running happily :) | 21:18 |
nuba | you'll have lots more fun with webgui as it is now | 21:19 |
Slickware | i have to say - while I understand the idea behind clear/commit, | 21:19 |
Slickware | i HATE it | 21:19 |
+perlDreamer | there is an autosave/autocommit set of options in the settings | 21:20 |
nuba | also the wre comes tweaked for webgui performance, mod_proxy and all that | 21:20 |
nuba | its a good way to get a great setup out of the box | 21:20 |
nuba | with little effort | 21:20 |
+perlDreamer | rizen: more fuel for your argument | 21:21 |
+perlDreamer | the automated test suites all run the WRE | 21:22 |
Slickware | i won't bash the WRE | 21:23 |
Slickware | just want to get this image upload issue fixed | 21:23 |
Slickware | so, if i'm running ubuntu... which directories should I have to change permissions on ? | 21:24 |
+perlDreamer | /data/domains/* | 21:24 |
Slickware | and should they all be apache.apache | 21:24 |
+perlDreamer | um, no | 21:24 |
+perlDreamer | there is a webgui user for the wre | 21:24 |
+perlDreamer | they should be owned by him | 21:24 |
+perlDreamer | and exactly which versions of the WRE and webgui are you using? | 21:24 |
Slickware | everything down to the uploads directory is owned by webgui | 21:25 |
Slickware | but some of the directories IN the uploads directory are owned by webgui, group is like 42553437589 | 21:25 |
+perlDreamer | are they writable by user webgui? | 21:26 |
@apeiron | nuba, http://sourceforge.net/projects/cgipan/ may have helped you back in those days without shell access. :) | 21:26 |
Slickware | i believe they are | 21:27 |
Slickware | i'm literally running whatever the latest versions are - i JUST finished installing it last week | 21:27 |
+perlDreamer | chmod -R u+w /data/domains | 21:27 |
+perlDreamer | and, just as a refresher, only uploads through the rich editor have problems? | 21:28 |
@preaction | wasn't this a known issue in 7.4.25? | 21:28 |
Slickware | yes, only through the richedit | 21:28 |
+perlDreamer | sounds familiar | 21:28 |
+perlDreamer | what's the exact webgui version you're running? | 21:28 |
Slickware | how do i check now | 21:29 |
nuba | apeiron: nice | 21:29 |
+perlDreamer | through the UI, log in as admin, turn admin on, to go admin console, click on statistics | 21:30 |
+perlDreamer | through the shell, look at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI.pm | 21:30 |
@apeiron | Slickware, grep VERSION /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI.pm | 21:30 |
Slickware | WebGUI Build Version: 7.4.25-stable | 21:30 |
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+perlDreamer | Slickware, please upgrade to 7.4.26 or higher | 21:30 |
Slickware | and apparently there is another new version out. huh. | 21:30 |
+perlDreamer | " - fixed: rich text editor image uploads deleted immediately" | 21:30 |
Slickware | oh jeez | 21:31 |
+perlDreamer | there are frequent bug fixes | 21:31 |
Slickware | is there a SIMPLE way to upgrade through the WRE? | 21:31 |
Slickware | or do i have to download the tar.gz and upload with the perl scripts | 21:31 |
nuba | well, check for something with a name looking like "webguiupdate" in /data/wre/sbin | 21:32 |
+perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/upgrading | 21:32 |
nuba | and give it a bump or two | 21:32 |
Slickware | thanks | 21:32 |
+perlDreamer | nuba, was my earlier spanish anywhere on track? | 21:32 |
Slickware | i honestly never really expected to find any answers in IRC :) | 21:32 |
nuba | perlDreamer: where is it? | 21:33 |
+perlDreamer | way back, | 21:33 |
Slickware | they should log these chats and let google index them, it's a lot better than using their horrible search engine on the discussion board | 21:33 |
perlmonkey2 | I still can't believe IRC was ever anything but for hackers and programmers | 21:33 |
@preaction | Slickware, xdanger currently has logs available, but we have no search mechanism developed for it yet | 21:33 |
@apeiron | Slickware, Google's horrible search engine, or WebGUI's? | 21:33 |
@preaction | i'm tempted to see if i can get an IRSeek bot in here | 21:33 |
Slickware | i can't stand that you can't use the back button on the discussionboard search | 21:33 |
Slickware | it's really annoying to have to open posts in new tabs/windows to see if they are relevant to your search query | 21:34 |
Slickware | but that's just me complaining :) | 21:34 |
@apeiron | Slickware, If it's WebGUI's, feel free to file an RFE documenting what you'd like to see improved. | 21:34 |
+perlDreamer | Slickware: we always appreciate user feedback, but things in IRC rarely get done. | 21:34 |
+perlDreamer | Use the RFE system online to submit those | 21:34 |
Slickware | i know. i'm more just venting | 21:35 |
+perlDreamer | or, provide patches :) | 21:35 |
Slickware | the discussion feature has always been that way | 21:35 |
Slickware | i am unfortunately not a perl programmer by any means | 21:35 |
@apeiron | That doesn't mean you won't get what you want. | 21:35 |
nuba | why index/search the irclogs? isnt grep -C 10 -E 'some.regexp[0-9]*' ehough? | 21:35 |
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Slickware | haha | 21:35 |
@apeiron | nuba, What if you don't *have* the logs? :) | 21:36 |
nuba | wget'em | 21:36 |
Slickware | alright. thanks guys/girls. I'll give this stuff a shot and check back later if I fail miserably. | 21:36 |
nuba | really, i added the URL to xdanger's logs in the wiki irc page | 21:36 |
nuba | its just a matter of wget -r -l inf 'URL' and then grepping'em | 21:36 |
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slickwar1 | test | 21:54 |
+perlDreamer | yo | 21:54 |
slickwar1 | just setting up IRC on GAIM | 21:54 |
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slickwar1 | you guys rock. | 22:07 |
slickwar1 | 5 minutes later, and I can upload from the richedit | 22:07 |
slickwar1 | after a week of pulling out hair :) | 22:07 |
+perlDreamer | here's a few hints for bug fixing | 22:09 |
+perlDreamer | search the bug db | 22:09 |
+perlDreamer | search the forums | 22:09 |
+perlDreamer | check the wiki | 22:09 |
+perlDreamer | read release notes for newer versions of wG | 22:09 |
slickwar1 | I did check the forums | 22:12 |
slickwar1 | I just sort of assumed, since I had JUST downloaded a new version, that upgrading couldn't possibly be my problem :) | 22:12 |
slickwar1 | I forget that webgui changes releases more than my girlfriend changes outfits | 22:13 |
+perlDreamer | here's the new release schedule: http://www.webgui.org/webgui/dev/discuss/stable-vs-beta-releases-and-demo | 22:14 |
+perlDreamer | it's open source. You have to release often. | 22:15 |
slickwar1 | I know, I know... i'm just not used to a "stable" release also being one that doesn't always work right away! | 22:16 |
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+perlDreamer | true | 22:16 |
@rizen | perlDreamer: it would look better if you reply on my post in tbb. that way it isn't just me saying that the wre is a good thing. | 22:18 |
+perlDreamer | I did :) | 22:18 |
+perlDreamer | I'm a little worried about coding while I'm sick, so I'm looking at test coverage for the Shop modules | 22:20 |
+perlDreamer | If a file exists, is readable by the user, is there any reason why it could not be opened as a filehandle by perl? | 22:26 |
@rizen | not that i'm aware of | 22:26 |
@rizen | i suppose if the filesystem had some sort of locking mechanism that prevented it from being opened by multiple users at the same time | 22:27 |
@rizen | NTFS has that | 22:27 |
slickwar1 | so perlDreamer, who are you guys - do you work for plainblack or are you just hardcore fans? | 22:27 |
@rizen | rizen = JT | 22:27 |
+perlDreamer | all of the Op'ed guys are PB staffers | 22:27 |
+perlDreamer | the voiced guys are volunteers who have no other life | 22:28 |
slickwar1 | aww JT you have been around since the beginning... you're my hero | 22:28 |
+perlDreamer | and the other people are volunteers and bots | 22:28 |
@preaction | perlDreamer, SELinux perhaps? | 22:28 |
@rizen | i say that the voiced guys are volunteers who contribute more than others...not that have no life | 22:28 |
+perlDreamer | it's the virii talking | 22:29 |
slickwar1 | I contributed... I finally bought the books | 22:29 |
+perlDreamer | I'm looking at the importTaxData method for Shop::Tax.pm, and wondering if I went overboard on file checking | 22:29 |
slickwar1 | my monetary contribution is far more useful than any coding I could cough up, believe me | 22:29 |
+perlDreamer | oh, I don't know | 22:30 |
+perlDreamer | do you do HTML/CSS? | 22:30 |
+perlDreamer | there are lots of ways to contribute back | 22:31 |
slickwar1 | I do, but I try not to | 22:31 |
+perlDreamer | make themes | 22:31 |
+perlDreamer | translate wG into other languages | 22:31 |
slickwar1 | haha... pig latin | 22:31 |
+perlDreamer | answer questions on the forums | 22:31 |
@preaction | before i can get to other work i need to ask: Is there any way that: package Foo; package Bar; use base 'Foo'; package main; my $class = "Bar"; $class->isa("Foo"); would return false? | 22:31 |
+perlDreamer | make useful wiki pages | 22:31 |
slickwar1 | I do try and answer forums question | 22:31 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: 1; | 22:32 |
slickwar1 | maybe I should revise the WRE installation wiki so it is accurate for Ubuntu | 22:32 |
@preaction | i'm trying to make the GalleryFile class, and have Photo inherit from that instead of Image, and in the process i'm fixing the addChild check to ensure only appropriate classes get added to Albums | 22:32 |
slickwar1 | becuase the "for ubuntu" section is blatantly wrong | 22:32 |
@preaction | but that check is failing | 22:32 |
@preaction | somehow GalleryFile::Photo which use base 'GalleryFile'; is somehow NOT a GalleryFile. | 22:32 |
@preaction | or an Asset for that matter | 22:32 |
+perlDreamer | is isa overridden anywhere in your code, or in any module that you might use? | 22:33 |
@preaction | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m40fbb032 <- anything glaringly wrong with that? | 22:33 |
@preaction | perlDreamer, not that i know of | 22:34 |
@preaction | GalleryFile exists and is syntactically correct, same with Photo | 22:34 |
+perlDreamer | $properties->className isn't an object | 22:35 |
+perlDreamer | is it? | 22:35 |
@preaction | no it should just be a string | 22:35 |
+perlDreamer | maybe I should read more about UNIVERSAL isa | 22:35 |
+perlDreamer | I thought you needed an object to do that | 22:35 |
+perlDreamer | not a hashref | 22:35 |
@preaction | no, a classname works | 22:36 |
+perlDreamer | try it as a bareword | 22:36 |
+perlDreamer | vs a var | 22:36 |
@preaction | i tried doing "WebGUI::Asset::File::GalleryFile::Photo->isa("WebGUI::Asset::File::GalleryFile"); | 22:36 |
@preaction | k | 22:36 |
@preaction | nope | 22:37 |
@preaction | 163 print "OKAY!!\n" if WebGUI::Asset::File::GalleryFile::Photo->isa( $fileClass ); <- fails | 22:37 |
@preaction | ha. | 22:38 |
@preaction | it wasn't loaded | 22:38 |
+perlDreamer | use base doesn't load it? | 22:38 |
@preaction | i did a use <whatever> in my test | 22:39 |
@preaction | no, the class itself wasn't loaded | 22:39 |
+perlDreamer | oh | 22:39 |
@preaction | and ->isa() returned false because Perl didn't know what it was | 22:39 |
@preaction | which means that all overridden addChild probably needs to use WebGUI::Pluggable::load | 22:39 |
@preaction | kinda weird that isa didn't even pop a warning about it... | 22:41 |
@preaction | oh well, i can now close all the Gallery bugs on the public buglist. | 22:42 |
+perlDreamer | cool | 22:42 |
@preaction | yours had to be the hardest, didn't it? | 22:43 |
@preaction | but now MrHairgrease has his GalleryFile class so he can make GalleryFile::Video | 22:43 |
+perlDreamer | sorry, man | 22:43 |
@preaction | hum... discussion: which is more important? Purity of form (user interface) or purity of essence (code design) | 22:45 |
@preaction | i know times where i've had to sacrifice one for the other, usually sacrificing code for user interface, and i've always hated it (and usually the result) | 22:46 |
+perlDreamer | what's awfully wide-open, how about a specific example? | 22:48 |
+perlDreamer | rizen: since Tax->calculate can return 0 as a valid value, I'd like to remove the return 0 and just let the exception propagate out. Sound okay? | 22:50 |
@rizen | what are we talking about? | 22:51 |
@rizen | is this in reference to the change i made? | 22:51 |
+perlDreamer | yeah | 22:51 |
@rizen | i don't understand why that would be better | 22:52 |
lisette | how to obtains a email from a user of webgui? | 22:52 |
+perlDreamer | you can't look at the return value of calculate and see if there was a problem. | 22:52 |
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@rizen | there isn't a problem if it returns 0 | 22:52 |
+perlDreamer | since 0 is a valid amount of tax | 22:52 |
+MrHairgrease | pd: have it return a negative amount of tax | 22:53 |
+MrHairgrease | you know that's wrong b/c i have never seen the tax hyena's give anything back =) | 22:53 |
@rizen | it returns 0 when there is no shipping address defined, that's because you can't have any tax without a shipping address | 22:53 |
@rizen | there's nothing wrong with 0 in that case | 22:53 |
@rizen | and there's nothing wrong with the tax system either that should throw an exception | 22:53 |
+perlDreamer | the exception would be thrown by Address and propagate back to the caller of calculate | 22:54 |
@rizen | i think exceptions should only ever be thrown to indicate something is wrong, or something happened that you don't expect | 22:54 |
* slickwar1 is out. thanks everyone | 22:54 |
+perlDreamer | but since 0 is okay, it's moot | 22:54 |
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@rizen | now, if we made it past that check | 22:54 |
@rizen | and address still throws an exception | 22:54 |
@rizen | then it should propogate up | 22:55 |
@rizen | i think by throwing the exception where i made the change, you're actually potentially masking other real problems | 22:55 |
+perlDreamer | I don't think return 0 should be replaced with an explicit expression, I think we should let $book->getAddress throw the exception for us | 22:56 |
@rizen | i know that's what you're saying...and i think that then indicates a problem where there is none | 22:56 |
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@rizen | it's perfectly valid to call $tax->calculate() with no address assigned | 22:57 |
@rizen | there's no reason it should throw an exception on something that it's valid to do | 22:57 |
@rizen | that is, unless you're saying it shouldn't be valid to call calculate when no address is assigned | 22:59 |
+perlDreamer | could they proceed to checkout without a shipping address? If not, then 0 is cool with me. | 23:00 |
@rizen | no | 23:00 |
@rizen | the system prevents that | 23:00 |
+perlDreamer | then 0 is cool with me | 23:00 |
+perlDreamer | I'll build a test for the return 0 case | 23:01 |
@rizen | because the "Choose Shipping Address" button is displayed in place of "Checkout" when they haven't chosen one. | 23:01 |
@rizen | btw...i'm thinking about getting rid of the checkout button | 23:01 |
@rizen | i'm thinking about putting the various payment buttons right on the cart screen | 23:02 |
@rizen | so we can skip a step | 23:02 |
@rizen | is that a bad idea? | 23:02 |
+perlDreamer | that's cool. That way they don't have to choose a payment option and then checkout | 23:02 |
+perlDreamer | instead of 1-click checkout, it's 1-click payment | 23:02 |
@rizen | my only concern is what if someone has 15 different payment options enabled | 23:02 |
@rizen | Check, Cash, PO, PayPal, Karma, Google Check Out, 2Checkout, Credit Card | 23:03 |
@rizen | etc | 23:03 |
wgGuest74 | hello | 23:03 |
@rizen | i realize it's unlikely..but it could make the cart screen ugly | 23:03 |
+perlDreamer | maybe a dropdown instead of buttons if there are more then 3? or use the top 3, and a drop-down for the rest? | 23:04 |
+perlDreamer | I hate UI design | 23:04 |
+perlDreamer | wgGuest74: howdy. Do you have a question? | 23:05 |
wgGuest74 | last week i asked about a dinamic select box in a data form, the thing is that i have a selected box that its posibles values are dinamic | 23:05 |
wgGuest74 | if i create a new control can i solve the problem? | 23:06 |
+perlDreamer | dynamic, like the user can provide more options? | 23:06 |
wgGuest74 | the options are stored in a database and they are created by the user | 23:07 |
wgGuest74 | yes, the user can provide more options | 23:08 |
+perlDreamer | that's what you want it to do, but you're finding that it doesn't do that right now. Correct? | 23:08 |
wgGuest74 | yes | 23:08 |
+perlDreamer | there is a combo box, which combines a select box with a text entry form, but the application has to take care of adding new entries into some database. | 23:10 |
+perlDreamer | it should not need a new form control | 23:10 |
+perlDreamer | you would need to further customize the DataForm to handle that new function | 23:12 |
wgGuest74 | for example the user first add in a table called areas, the name of the areas | 23:12 |
wgGuest74 | and in other screen when the user try to add the subject, he should see the name of the areas in a select box to add the subjects | 23:13 |
wgGuest74 | in the subject table will have a field that store the area's id | 23:14 |
+perlDreamer | in the dataform, there are only 2-3 screens for the user | 23:15 |
+perlDreamer | add an entry | 23:15 |
+perlDreamer | view all entries | 23:15 |
+perlDreamer | view one entry | 23:15 |
+perlDreamer | export some data | 23:15 |
+perlDreamer | okay, 4 screens | 23:15 |
+perlDreamer | no screens where the user can update a field, and then change it in another | 23:16 |
+perlDreamer | That sounds more like a SQL form type of application | 23:16 |
+perlDreamer | but that's a guess | 23:16 |
wgGuest74 | but the sql form doesn't have the select box | 23:17 |
+perlDreamer | it sounds like wG does not have what you want out of the box. So then it would be up to you how you would like to add it. | 23:17 |
+perlDreamer | the new Thingy application may do that, but it won't be out before April/May (as scheduled) | 23:18 |
wgGuest74 | the thing that i did was to create a dataform to add areas and i modified it to stored the entries in my own tables | 23:18 |
wgGuest74 | and then i created another dataform to create subjects | 23:18 |
wgGuest74 | the thing that i need is the possibility to put the posibles values in a selected box obtaining the values from a table | 23:19 |
+perlDreamer | If I remember correctly, the DataForm will evaluate macros in several of its form fields | 23:24 |
+perlDreamer | How about using a SQL Macro to populate the possible values field of the select box? | 23:25 |
wgGuest74 | yes, i tried with a macro but the it returns a string | 23:26 |
wgGuest74 | all tha values appear in the same line | 23:26 |
wgGuest74 | what features will have the thingy application? | 23:26 |
+perlDreamer | it's basically a lite version of MS Access | 23:27 |
+perlDreamer | for the same line, you may need to use a different template, but again, I'm guessing | 23:27 |
wgGuest74 | perlDreamer, when i go to the sql form i always see first, the search template, can i modify it to see first the default sql form edit | 23:33 |
+perlDreamer | I don't know. If you could, it would be in the Asset's edit screen, probably under display. | 23:35 |
wgGuest74 | yes? | 23:36 |
+perlDreamer | no. The default view is either a normal search screen, or an advanced search screen. | 23:37 |
+perlDreamer | for multiline macro output from ^SQL, use \n in the template | 23:38 |
wgGuest74 | ok | 23:39 |
wgGuest74 | i am going to try | 23:39 |
wgGuest74 | can i change in the sql form the default view, i want that the default view will be add a entry | 23:41 |
+perlDreamer | no | 23:42 |
wgGuest74 | ok | 23:42 |
wgGuest74 | so, i am going to try the macro | 23:43 |
wgGuest74 | if a change the code of the data form wobject, can i report you the changes to be incluided in the core? | 23:44 |
+perlDreamer | You should submit it as an RFE. JT will evaluate it to see if it can be added to the core. Then it would need to wait for a developer to add it. | 23:45 |
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wgGuest74 | we have decided to put all of our sites, applications and projects around webgui, we want to contribute for webgui's project | 23:48 |
+perlDreamer | That's awesome! | 23:48 |
@rizen | wgGuest74 i'm sorry to report that DataForm will not be in the core going foward | 23:49 |
@rizen | you'll still be able to use it on your sites, but it won't be part of the core | 23:49 |
CIA-52 | WebGUI: colin * r5721 /branch/WebGUI_Commerce/t/Macro/SQL.t: Functional test for multiline output. | 23:49 |
CIA-52 | WebGUI: colin * r5722 /branch/WebGUI_Commerce/t/ (3 files in 2 dirs): | 23:49 |
CIA-52 | WebGUI: Add coverage tests for more bad CSV file handling, | 23:49 |
CIA-52 | WebGUI: and two files to exercise the header checks in importTaxData | 23:49 |
CIA-52 | WebGUI: colin * r5723 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/t/Macro/SQL.t: backport new SQL.pm macro test for multiline output | 23:49 |
@rizen | instead it will be replaced by two other assets: Thingy for building data entry applications, and Mail Form for building email forms | 23:50 |
wgGuest74 | are there some rules that are neccesary to have to contribute in the project? | 23:51 |
+perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/getting-started-in-the-webgui-community | 23:52 |
+perlDreamer | see the Core developers entry in that wiki page | 23:52 |
wgGuest74 | ok | 23:52 |
wgGuest74 | so, the data form will desappear in the future | 23:53 |
+perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/development-best-practices for how to write good core code | 23:53 |
estive1 | you can make your own patch | 23:54 |
+perlDreamer | actually, see the "Developing for WebGUI" entry on the table of contents page http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/table-of-contents | 23:54 |
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+perlDreamer | and estive1 is right. You can always maintain your own patch for locally customizing WebGUI | 23:56 |
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wgGuest74 | ok | 23:57 |
wgGuest74 | thanks for all your advices | 23:57 |
@rizen | We will be releasing the data form into the user contributions section of the site in case someone | 23:57 |
@rizen | would like to start maintaining it | 23:57 |
@rizen | After all there will be thousands of people out there with data forms on their sites. | 23:58 |
wgGuest74 | claro | 23:58 |
wgGuest74 | yes, we want to be part of webgui | 23:59 |
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perlmonkey2 | rizen: I've written probably 20 different custom one off surveys and your survey system seems very well designed. How come you think so badly of it? | 00:05 |
@rizen | i think that the survey works pretty well, i just think the code behind it is absolute crap | 00:06 |
@rizen | =) | 00:06 |
perlmonkey2 | Hah | 00:06 |
@rizen | it's one of the oldest (hasn't been revamped) assets in the system | 00:06 |
perlmonkey2 | I have a question about embedding variables in question text. I'd like to be able to have Q2's text have a <S1Q1S> tags. | 00:07 |
perlmonkey2 | What this would do is in the text of Q2, Section 1 Question 1's submitted answer would be replaced with that tag | 00:08 |
perlmonkey2 | <S1Q1R> would put the recorded value instead of the submitted. | 00:08 |
perlmonkey2 | But is that a good way to do this? | 00:08 |
perlmonkey2 | S1Q1. What is your favorite color. S1Q1. Why is <S1Q1S> your favorite color? | 00:09 |
@rizen | oh i see what you're saying | 00:09 |
perlmonkey2 | whups, that second S1Q1 should be S1Q2. | 00:09 |
@rizen | well i don't think it's a good idea to use S1Q2 because those are relative | 00:10 |
@rizen | if they reorder the survey then it won't make sense | 00:10 |
perlmonkey2 | oh | 00:10 |
perlmonkey2 | good point. | 00:10 |
@rizen | you'd have to use the asset id of some sort | 00:10 |
@rizen | but i think that a better way to do it from a user interface point of view is | 00:11 |
@rizen | have them put in a %s | 00:11 |
@rizen | and then have a drop down to pull the answer from a list of the questions | 00:11 |
@rizen | so that you can tie a question's guid directly to it | 00:11 |
@rizen | Why is %s your favorite color? | 00:11 |
@rizen | and then use sprintf to put it in there | 00:11 |
perlmonkey2 | Okay, I like that. | 00:12 |
@rizen | wow that's going to be a pretty powerful feature | 00:12 |
perlmonkey2 | Yeah, the people at work had a lot of them. | 00:12 |
perlmonkey2 | Good ideas, that is. | 00:12 |
perlmonkey2 | rizen: So how about the dialog defaults to one dropdown for variable replacement. then an onblur on the text that counts %s and if there is more than 2 but less than 6, add that number of new drop downs? | 00:16 |
@rizen | sounds reasonable to me. so you're going to allow for follow up questions that combine the answers from multiple previous posts? | 00:19 |
@rizen | s/posts/responses/ | 00:19 |
CIA-52 | WebGUI: colin * r5724 /WebGUI/t/Macro/SQL.t: sideport new SQL.pm macro test for multiline output | 00:20 |
wgGuest74 | excuseme perlDreamer, when you said me for multiline macro output from ^SQL, use \n in the template | 00:21 |
wgGuest74 | is to use my own macro or to use the SQL Macro | 00:21 |
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+perlDreamer | use the ^SQL macro, but in the template, give it a newline "^1;\n" | 00:22 |
wgGuest74 | ok | 00:23 |
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perlmonkey2 | rizen: unless you see a reason not to? | 00:26 |
@rizen | nope, that's just super powerful | 00:26 |
@rizen | gotta be careful not to confuse your average survey admin | 00:27 |
perlmonkey2 | I'm not sure how to use the SQL.pm to bring back more than 2 columns. Is there a module with an example? | 00:27 |
perlmonkey2 | Hopefully they won't be confused because they shouldn't see the extra drop downs unless they add more than 1 %s | 00:27 |
perlmonkey2 | nm, I found an exmaple | 00:28 |
perlmonkey2 | oh, it works like you'd think it would. The pod info said something about more than two columns being concat'd with a ":" that confused me. | 00:30 |
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+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: do we need a pod patch for that? | 00:40 |
perlmonkey2 | I don't know....In all probability I just didn't understand the docs. | 00:40 |
+perlDreamer | which method? | 00:40 |
perlmonkey2 | buildArrayRef* | 00:41 |
perlmonkey2 | any of them | 00:41 |
perlmonkey2 | If the query selects more than two columns, then the last column will be the value and the remaining columns will be joined together by a colon ":" to form a complex key. | 00:41 |
perlmonkey2 | From buildArrayRefOfHashRefs | 00:41 |
+perlDreamer | yeah, that's what it does. It's correct | 00:42 |
+perlDreamer | I wonder if that's tested... | 00:42 |
perlmonkey2 | but you really get [{k1,v1},{k2,v2}...} | 00:43 |
perlmonkey2 | er close with ] | 00:43 |
perlmonkey2 | if you have columns k1,k2,k3 you get back [{k1,v1,k2,v2,k3,v3},...] | 00:44 |
perlmonkey2 | I don't undestnad where the concat comes in? | 00:44 |
+perlDreamer | me either | 00:44 |
+perlDreamer | it looks like copy/paste bug from buildHash, buildHashRef | 00:44 |
perlmonkey2 | not sure why buildHash does that though | 00:45 |
@rizen | because you can't have multiple keys | 00:46 |
@rizen | so it generates a composite key | 00:46 |
@rizen | select userId,groupId, groupName from sometable | 00:46 |
@rizen | makes $hash{userId-groupId} = "group name"; | 00:47 |
@rizen | get it? | 00:47 |
perlmonkey2 | Okay, yeah, that makes sense now. | 00:47 |
perlmonkey2 | I can see how that would be a very useful method to have. | 00:47 |
@rizen | WebGUI::SQL is built from years of love | 00:48 |
@rizen | there's lots of great utility methods in there to do crazy stuff in one line of code | 00:48 |
perlmonkey2 | I like it :) | 00:48 |
perlmonkey2 | in the db, what is the preferred way of doing booleans? | 00:50 |
perlmonkey2 | a mysql bool type? | 00:50 |
+perlDreamer | usually we use ints with 0 and 1 | 00:50 |
perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: But you are totally wasting 7 bits of space! | 00:51 |
perlmonkey2 | :P | 00:51 |
* perlDreamer passes perlmonkey2 254 values | 00:51 |
@rizen | you can use tinyint | 00:52 |
@rizen | hehe | 00:52 |
@rizen | i honestly didn't even know that mysql had a bool type | 00:52 |
perlmonkey2 | I have no idea what mysql's internals are for boolean...probably tinyint :P | 00:52 |
@rizen | does it return 1/0 or true/false? | 00:53 |
perlmonkey2 | j/s I'll test | 00:53 |
perlmonkey2 | select true returns 1 | 00:53 |
+perlDreamer | how 'bout select false? | 00:54 |
perlmonkey2 | 0 | 00:54 |
@rizen | it's a 0 | 00:54 |
@rizen | nice | 00:54 |
@rizen | we should start using that | 00:54 |
perlmonkey2 | looks like it is a bit | 00:54 |
perlmonkey2 | but a signed bit | 00:55 |
perlmonkey2 | so two bits? | 00:55 |
perlmonkey2 | that is just guessing because mysql-admin gives the option of setting it unsigned | 00:55 |
+perlDreamer | that's 6 bits savings / row | 00:55 |
+perlDreamer | it bet it uses int(2) internally | 00:56 |
perlmonkey2 | well if you want to start using it for all my bool columsn :) | 00:56 |
perlmonkey2 | I mean "I'll start using it for ..." | 00:56 |
@rizen | i just switched all the create scripts for the new commerce system to use bool | 00:57 |
@rizen | and the yesNo form control | 00:58 |
perlmonkey2 | that was fast. | 00:58 |
@rizen | that's what my wife says | 00:58 |
perlmonkey2 | DOH :O | 00:59 |
@rizen | =) | 00:59 |
perlmonkey2 | looks like it is a TINYINT(1) internally | 00:59 |
@rizen | i was going to say it about MrHairgreases girlfriend but i wasn't sure if he's here or not | 00:59 |
perlmonkey2 | hah | 00:59 |
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* perlmonkey2 realizes he was getting bits and bytes mixed up earlier...whups | 01:13 |
* perlmonkey2 hands in his programmer creds and goes to dig ditches. | 01:13 |
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@rizen | nooooooOoooooOOOOOooooooo! | 01:13 |
@rizen | you must finish the survey and dethrone the reigning webgui community tyrant known as perlDreamer | 01:14 |
perlmonkey2 | Hah, perlDreamer can probably get his bits and bolts right | 01:14 |
@rizen | he has a bunch of runaway processes today | 01:15 |
@rizen | he almost sig hupped himself | 01:15 |
perlmonkey2 | Although the farther I get into this version of the survey system the more excited I get. As long as I can keep ajax calls sub 500ms+latency I think it will be very fun to use. | 01:15 |
perlmonkey2 | wow, that is serious when you are ready to do that. | 01:16 |
* MrHairgrease is about to sig hup | 01:18 |
+MrHairgrease | later | 01:18 |
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+perlTyrant | much better :) | 01:19 |
@rizen | indeed | 01:19 |
+perlTyrant | rizen: Tim drew a picture of you. Would you like to see it? | 01:20 |
@rizen | pd in 10 minutes or so i should have the shipping address chooser complete | 01:20 |
@rizen | sure | 01:20 |
@rizen | are you emailing it to me? | 01:24 |
+perlTyrant | yup | 01:25 |
+perlTyrant | it's a whiteboard drawing | 01:25 |
+perlTyrant | I think he's captured the inner you | 01:25 |
@rizen | well at least it's not the outer me...that would have set the whiteboard on fire | 01:26 |
+perlTyrant | we would have needed a taller whiteboard | 01:27 |
+perlTyrant | big smile, flared nostrils, beard. That's gotta be JT | 01:27 |
+perlTyrant | did you get it? | 01:28 |
@rizen | not yet | 01:29 |
@rizen | spoke too soon, there it comes | 01:30 |
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CIA-52 | WebGUI: doug * r5725 /WebGUI/ (28 files in 12 dirs): | 01:31 |
CIA-52 | WebGUI: Added WebGUI::Asset::File::GalleryFile | 01:31 |
CIA-52 | WebGUI: Changed Photo to subclass WebGUI::Asset::File::GalleryFile | 01:31 |
+perlDreamer | what do you think? | 01:32 |
+perlDreamer | considering he hasn't seen a picture of you in 5 months, it's not too bad | 01:32 |
@rizen | wow that looks exactly like me | 01:34 |
+perlDreamer | I'll tell Tim. | 01:35 |
@rizen | i'm going to have to put that up as my picture on my bio page | 01:35 |
@rizen | =) | 01:35 |
@rizen | unfortunately my pr folks would never let me get away way that | 01:35 |
+perlDreamer | just flash them that winning smile and they'll concede | 01:36 |
+perlDreamer | so far, we have 232 tests for Shop modules | 01:36 |
nuba | theres a list of imagebins at the wiki irc page | 01:36 |
@rizen | wow | 01:36 |
@rizen | 232, i must have only written about 3 of those | 01:36 |
+perlDreamer | not | 01:37 |
+perlDreamer | more like 40 | 01:39 |
@rizen | why do things never work exactly how i plan them to work | 01:40 |
+perlDreamer | it's a governmental conspiracy | 01:41 |
+perlDreamer | When you made Campaign Secrets, it demonstrated an unusual insight into contemporary american politics | 01:41 |
@rizen | hehe | 01:42 |
+perlDreamer | which means that you could reveal things they hide from the public | 01:42 |
+perlDreamer | that's why they hired me to infiltrate your world and disrupt it | 01:42 |
+perlDreamer | think now of all the time you spend on IRC, and testing | 01:42 |
+perlDreamer | you think all those leaks are accidents? | 01:43 |
+perlDreamer | now you're so busy you can't use your knowledge to interfere with their control of american culture | 01:43 |
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@rizen | you make very good points | 01:49 |
@rizen | but i think that you might also be a government conspiracy...cuz all this time i talk to you i could be spending time doing something to improve webgui | 01:49 |
CIA-52 | WebGUI: colin * r5726 /branch/WebGUI_Commerce/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Add coverage tests, convert croaks to exceptions. | 01:50 |
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@rizen | pd, do you remember the empty list problem | 01:57 |
@rizen | for hashes | 01:57 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 01:58 |
@rizen | its back | 01:58 |
@rizen | or rather i found another place where it occurs | 01:58 |
+perlDreamer | where? | 01:58 |
@rizen | forms | 01:58 |
@rizen | $session->form->get("somefield"); | 01:58 |
@rizen | if you put that directly into a hash, and the parameter doesn't exist | 01:59 |
@rizen | you'll get the problem | 01:59 |
+perlDreamer | that's because of context, and wantarray, I think | 01:59 |
+perlDreamer | => is list context | 01:59 |
@rizen | ah | 01:59 |
@rizen | well shit | 02:00 |
+perlDreamer | so if it isn't there, it returns () | 02:00 |
@apeiron | er? => is a fancy comma that quotes its lefthand side. :) | 02:00 |
@rizen | so basically there's no way to fix it for forms then? | 02:01 |
+perlDreamer | not without changing the API for the form interface | 02:02 |
+perlDreamer | or, you can't use listy hash assignments and have to do it 1 by 1 | 02:02 |
+perlDreamer | apeiron: exactly, but it's list context, not scalar context | 02:03 |
@rizen | preaction, or anyone here that knows css | 02:14 |
@rizen | how do i make a <form> that doesn't add a break after it | 02:14 |
@rizen | i thought it was display:inline but apparently not | 02:14 |
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@preaction | it shouldn't be the form | 02:14 |
@preaction | or is it just in IE6? | 02:14 |
@rizen | forms automatically add 2 carriage returns after them in all browsers | 02:15 |
@preaction | form doesn't really have any display itself, but things inside it can | 02:15 |
@rizen | i'm telling you that it does | 02:15 |
@preaction | perhaps * { margin: 0; padding: 0; } | 02:15 |
@rizen | ok | 02:15 |
@preaction | or form { margin: 0; padding: 0; } to restrict it to just forms | 02:15 |
@rizen | wait, does the * have any significance? | 02:15 |
@preaction | yes | 02:15 |
@preaction | * means all elements | 02:15 |
@rizen | what is that? | 02:15 |
@rizen | oh i don't want it on all | 02:15 |
@preaction | so form { ... } instead | 02:16 |
@rizen | that didn't do it either | 02:16 |
@rizen | and actually...it can't be that come to think of it | 02:16 |
@rizen | if you do <form>somecrap</form> | 02:17 |
@rizen | and then do it again | 02:17 |
@rizen | you'll see that they sit on top of each other | 02:17 |
@rizen | not side by side | 02:17 |
@rizen | so this has to have something with being displayed block level | 02:17 |
@preaction | you want them side-by-side? | 02:17 |
@preaction | float: left; might work | 02:17 |
@preaction | but it could have unintended side-effects | 02:17 |
@rizen | but i don't want them to float | 02:17 |
@rizen | exactly | 02:18 |
@rizen | i just want them to work like <span> tags | 02:18 |
@rizen | rather than <div> tags | 02:18 |
@preaction | do you have a URL or a paste I can see the contents? | 02:18 |
@rizen | and i thought that was what display:inline vs display:block was all about | 02:18 |
@rizen | i just did: <form>somecrap</form><form>some crap</form> | 02:18 |
@rizen | each of these forms will have only one element in it. a button | 02:20 |
@rizen | so i want the buttons to sit side by side | 02:20 |
@rizen | granted i could do it with some javascript and use the same form | 02:20 |
@rizen | but i don't want to | 02:20 |
@rizen | so there has to be a way to do this | 02:20 |
@rizen | damn it | 02:21 |
@rizen | display:inline does work if i put it right into the form | 02:21 |
@rizen | it just doesn't work when i do: div.addressBlock form { display: inline; } | 02:21 |
@rizen | in a style sheet | 02:22 |
@preaction | is there something more specific that's overriding it? perhaps something like #id form { ... } | 02:22 |
@rizen | nope, no id on the form | 02:23 |
@preaction | firebug would show you all the selectors that affect the element, and which ones are actually working | 02:23 |
@rizen | http://webgui.pastebin.com/d7e3fbf14 | 02:23 |
@rizen | if you want to see all the code | 02:23 |
CIA-52 | WebGUI: colin * r5727 /branch/WebGUI_Commerce/t/Shop/AddressBook.t: coverage tests for AddressBook update | 02:25 |
@rizen | got it | 02:25 |
@rizen | turns out that WebGUI::Form::formHeader puts a div inside the <form> so even though the form was inline the div wasn't | 02:26 |
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@rizen | WAHOOOOOOOO!!!!!! | 02:32 |
@rizen | the address book is working | 02:32 |
@preaction | wahooooo!!!11 | 02:33 |
@preaction | seriously, you guys are going to have this in 7.5? does that make 7.5 the new 8.0? | 02:33 |
@preaction | what is 7.5 NOT going to have? it's gonna be huge | 02:33 |
@rizen | we've never had a 6 month dev cycle before | 02:33 |
@preaction | true | 02:34 |
* apeiron gets to work on wG::KitchenSink. | 02:34 |
@rizen | that makes each release that much cooler | 02:34 |
@rizen | yes, this will be done in 7.5 | 02:34 |
@rizen | and thingy should be done in a couple weeks too | 02:34 |
+perlDreamer | I hate art | 02:34 |
@rizen | which reminds me, someone needs to write a mailform asset | 02:34 |
@rizen | why? | 02:35 |
+perlDreamer | because there are no rules at all for art | 02:35 |
@rizen | true | 02:35 |
+perlDreamer | much of it is impression and connotation, and semiotics | 02:35 |
@preaction | there are guidelines | 02:35 |
@rizen | pd you have to check out the new address book thing | 02:35 |
@rizen | it works so damn well it's ridiculous | 02:35 |
+perlDreamer | svn update? | 02:35 |
@rizen | yup | 02:36 |
+perlDreamer | how do I access it? | 02:39 |
+perlDreamer | is there a button to it, or just by op? | 02:39 |
@rizen | ?shop=cart | 02:41 |
@rizen | then click on the shipping address | 02:41 |
@rizen | you'll need to reset dev | 02:43 |
@rizen | cuz i added templates and stuff | 02:43 |
+perlDreamer | I noticed the upgrade change, and did | 02:43 |
+perlDreamer | It looks good! | 02:43 |
@rizen | i haven't tried adding some tax info to the tax table and see if it calculates and displays correctly yet | 02:44 |
+perlDreamer | maybe I should start working on the Tax UI | 02:45 |
+perlDreamer | at least import | 02:45 |
+perlDreamer | oh, I was going to ask you. | 02:45 |
+perlDreamer | The old commerce tax form used ajax. Do you want the new one to? | 02:45 |
@rizen | just did, and it works | 02:46 |
@rizen | sure | 02:46 |
@rizen | make it as cool as you like | 02:46 |
@rizen | in fact, i was thinking maybe we should use yui's coolio data table thing | 02:46 |
@rizen | http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/datatable/ | 02:47 |
CIA-52 | WebGUI: jt * r5728 /branch/WebGUI_Commerce/ (7 files in 5 dirs): | 02:47 |
CIA-52 | WebGUI: address book works | 02:47 |
CIA-52 | WebGUI: yesno uses bool now instead of int | 02:47 |
+perlDreamer | eek, it's huge! | 02:48 |
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* jsPhobic will think about it while showering | 02:48 |
@rizen | one thing i still have to do is if you select United States as your country, then you need to have a drop down list of states rather than typing it in | 02:49 |
@rizen | otherwise it will never match the tax algorithm | 02:49 |
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+perlDreamer | stupid suspend mode | 03:12 |
+perlDreamer | will that dropdown extend to all countries? | 03:13 |
+perlDreamer | Sounds like a lot of data. | 03:13 |
+perlDreamer | but it makes the Tax a lot easier | 03:15 |
+perlDreamer | since you don't have to worry about matching Wisconsin, WI, Wi, wi and so on | 03:15 |
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@rizen | i don't know how it will work | 03:18 |
@rizen | i guess maybe we need a "State" manager or something | 03:18 |
@rizen | cuz where else would we get all the states and provinces in all the countries of the world? | 03:19 |
@rizen | either that or maybe in the tax code we should allow for Wisconsin|WI and then make it a case insensitive match | 03:19 |
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+Radix-wrk | As long as you don't assume WA is always Washington (it's also Western Australia) - I'm happy. | 04:32 |
@rizen | radix, it's ok | 04:38 |
@rizen | we already have something in there that says if you're from oz charge 200% tax | 04:38 |
+Radix-wrk | awesome | 04:40 |
+Radix-wrk | long as I collect that tax, I'm happy with that ;) | 04:40 |
@rizen | actually the more i think about it the more i realize that we're going to have to rework tax to be hierarchical | 04:40 |
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perlmonkey2 | anyone awake? | 05:51 |
+perlDinner | yup | 05:51 |
perlmonkey2 | The Survey currently uses a Survey_id as the foreign key to tie all the tables together. Any reason I couldn't just use the Survey's assetId? | 05:52 |
+perlDinner | I think rizen answered that question earlier | 05:53 |
perlmonkey2 | The Survey_id is a newly generated id, but it is also a unique identifier of the survey. So the assetId should serve the same puprose. | 05:53 |
perlmonkey2 | yeah | 05:53 |
+perlDinner | Something along the lines of it not being one of his best ideas | 05:53 |
+perlDinner | so use the AssetId | 05:53 |
+perlDinner | btw, payback time is coming | 05:53 |
perlmonkey2 | this is what I get for sitting down to hammer out some code right before I pass out from lack of sleep. | 05:53 |
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+perlDinner | rizen wants me to use JS for the tax management screens, so _you_ will be the master :) | 05:54 |
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perlmonkey2 | hah | 05:54 |
perlmonkey2 | I doubt you'll need my help. JS doesn't really offer much challenge to a good perl dev, and the YUI is super easy and well documented. You'll be beyond me in hours. | 05:55 |
perlmonkey2 | But it sure is fun to use. | 05:55 |
+perlDinner | well, you see | 05:56 |
+perlDinner | I've tried before, and it's been very, very bad | 05:56 |
perlmonkey2 | No worries, I feel like I've taken a lot more than I've given here, so I'm eager to help out in any way I can. | 05:58 |
@preaction | JS requires a different way of thinking | 05:58 |
@preaction | it's all event-driven, user interface jibjag | 05:58 |
+perlDinner | that's part of the problem | 05:58 |
+perlDinner | I think Unix/perly | 05:58 |
@preaction | hard to get a clear, a-to-z, start-to-finish in it | 05:59 |
perlmonkey2 | The biggest hurdle for me is the hard line between data objects and dom objects. You work with them in entirely different way; the dom being this *thing* that gets in the way of what you're trying to do. You try to tie data to the dom, but it just gets ugly in a hurry. | 06:00 |
@preaction | yeah. i usually make at least three methods just to manipulate the DOM portions I need | 06:01 |
@preaction | the YUI DataTable is probably useful and would save me time most likely | 06:02 |
perlmonkey2 | Yeah the datatable is just down righ tsexy. | 06:11 |
perlmonkey2 | Powerful stuff there. | 06:11 |
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perlmonkey2 | screwedDreamer: You feeling worse I guess? | 06:13 |
+screwedDreamer | between the virus and the JS, yeah | 06:14 |
+screwedDreamer | I'm probably just psyching myself out | 06:14 |
@apeiron | Can I throw in a side dish of "I hate JS"? | 06:14 |
@apeiron | (not just to fit in, I promise) | 06:15 |
+screwedDreamer | It's a potluck, bring what you will | 06:15 |
@apeiron | I have a side of "I hate JS" and some really well-done scrapple. | 06:15 |
+screwedDreamer | there was a time when there was a perl plugin for Netscape | 06:15 |
perlmonkey2 | Parrot holds that promise for the future. | 06:15 |
@apeiron | And now Netscape is EOL. | 06:15 |
+screwedDreamer | as long as IE holds out for JS, I don't think parrot has a chance on the browser | 06:16 |
@apeiron | I thought pugs or parrot was targetting JS as an execution backend. | 06:16 |
+screwedDreamer | sure | 06:16 |
+screwedDreamer | but how would you get IE to buy into distributing the parrot plugin by default? | 06:16 |
+screwedDreamer | or Opera? | 06:16 |
@apeiron | Which is... frankly scary, although altogether not surprising coming from the folks working on either project. | 06:17 |
@apeiron | ah, good point. | 06:17 |
@apeiron | You could do what every Flash and Java application on the entire intarwebs does, and use JS to determine whether they have the feature and send them to go get it if they don't. | 06:17 |
@apeiron | It's kind of like how Flash works in comparison to IE releases. In between every IE release there's several Flash releases. I think I just upgraded my IE in my WinXP VM (by the way, running my Windows Boot Camp installation in VMWare is absolutely amazingly cool) and it came with Flash 6. | 06:19 |
@apeiron | My Mac has Flash 9. | 06:19 |
@apeiron | Upgraded the IE to 7, that is. | 06:20 |
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perlmonkey2 | Is there a method I can overload that is called after the autogenerate form is processed? I wan to initialize a collateral table upon asset creation. | 06:23 |
+screwedDreamer | perlmonkey2: that would be editSave | 06:24 |
perlmonkey2 | screwedDreamer: Even sick, you're like a wg ninja | 06:24 |
+screwedDreamer | rizen: can you please expand on your earlier thought about tax and hierarchy? | 06:24 |
@rizen | sure, but first why are you now screwedDreamer? | 06:24 |
+screwedDreamer | sick, and have to learn JS :) | 06:25 |
@rizen | hehe | 06:25 |
@rizen | you don't have to | 06:25 |
+screwedDreamer | just whinging | 06:25 |
@rizen | it was just a suggestion to make it super cool | 06:25 |
perlmonkey2 | whinging is good for the soul. | 06:25 |
+screwedDreamer | okay, back to tax hierarchy | 06:26 |
@rizen | my thought is that tax is going to have to be a match like this: country + state + city or country + code or country + city | 06:26 |
@rizen | it can't be just city or state or postal code | 06:26 |
@rizen | it needs to be further categorized by country | 06:26 |
perlmonkey2 | hmm, so I overload editSave make the $self->SUPER::editSave(@_); call, now will $self->getId() be useful/ | 06:26 |
@rizen | so i recommend that we change the tax table to look like this: | 06:26 |
@rizen | taxId, country, state, city, code, taxRate | 06:27 |
@rizen | and then match all that are filled in on a given row | 06:27 |
@rizen | so if only code is filled in, then we match just on code...but that means it will only work for the country where the postal codes are filled in for | 06:28 |
@rizen | because postal codes might be reused around the world | 06:28 |
@rizen | but more likely it will match against | 06:28 |
@rizen | USA, WI, Madison | 06:28 |
@rizen | or USA, 53715 | 06:29 |
+screwedDreamer | so how does that work with multiple sources of taxes | 06:29 |
+screwedDreamer | WI => 5% | 06:29 |
@rizen | in addition, i think we need to do what i said earlier | 06:29 |
+screwedDreamer | Madison 0.5% | 06:29 |
@rizen | Wisconsin|WI | 06:29 |
@rizen | they'll instead need to be filled in for each thing you want to match all tallied | 06:29 |
@rizen | USA, WI, Madison => 5.5% | 06:30 |
@rizen | so it won't work the way i originally wanted | 06:30 |
+screwedDreamer | manually summed versus automatically summed | 06:30 |
@rizen | but this new way is far more workable worldwide | 06:30 |
@rizen | right | 06:30 |
+screwedDreamer | could we put in wildcards into the don't care fields? | 06:30 |
@rizen | because as Radix pointed out, both US and Oz have states called WA | 06:30 |
+screwedDreamer | USA, Wi => 5% | 06:30 |
+screwedDreamer | USA, WI, Madison => 0.5 | 06:31 |
@rizen | blank is automatically wildcard | 06:31 |
@rizen | i suppose we could do that | 06:31 |
@rizen | that makes sense | 06:31 |
@rizen | apply all that match | 06:31 |
+screwedDreamer | I'm glad I abstracted out the getTaxRates method now :) | 06:31 |
@rizen | so i guess that will still work the same way then | 06:31 |
@rizen | but it's just a more restrictive match cuz it possibly combines country, state, city, and code | 06:32 |
@rizen | plus it enables city, which is something i really wanted to include before but couldn't make it work | 06:32 |
@rizen | since you could have a springfield in every state | 06:32 |
+screwedDreamer | okay, so we rework for flat vs tall | 06:32 |
+screwedDreamer | give me a few days | 06:33 |
@rizen | take your time, tomorrow i'm going to be working on integrating shipping and then i'm moving on to admin screens | 06:33 |
+screwedDreamer | okay, time to work on my own taxes for a bit | 06:33 |
+screwedDreamer | catch y'all tomorrow | 06:33 |
@rizen | later | 06:33 |
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knowmad | hello | 15:54 |
ckotil | good morning | 15:54 |
knowmad | morning. | 15:55 |
knowmad | are you doing bandwidth monitoring on any of your WRE servers? | 15:55 |
ckotil | I am not. | 16:17 |
ckotil | I do run ganglia on all my machines, including the web server. So i can get a pretty good idea of what's going on, including load, bandwidth, disk i/o, memory swapped, etc.. | 16:18 |
knowmad | ckotil: thanks. i'll check out ganglia. never heard of it before | 16:20 |
ckotil | its a nice app to have for spotting problematic servers. | 16:20 |
ckotil | stick around though, there may be a better solution to monitor wre bandwidth. | 16:20 |
knowmad | are you alluding to something? | 16:21 |
ckotil | yes, that it is still early and most people arent awake or watching the channel yet. | 16:21 |
+Radix_ | ganglia.. never heard of it either | 16:21 |
+Radix_ | I use munin | 16:21 |
knowmad | looks like a nice app | 16:21 |
knowmad | can munin do bandwidth monitoring? | 16:22 |
ckotil | munin creates RRD graphs as well. nice. | 16:22 |
knowmad | i think i'll throw this conversation into a message for Install | 16:22 |
knowmad | forum to catch anyone who may not be online | 16:22 |
+Radix_ | apt-get install munin :) | 16:23 |
+Radix_ | ganglia sounds a lot more comprehensive.. I dunno | 16:23 |
+Radix_ | http://neotokyo.juga.org:82/munin/juga.org/neotokyo.juga.org.html | 16:24 |
+Radix_ | that work for you guys? | 16:24 |
ckotil | wow, that looks more comprehensive than ganglia | 16:24 |
+Radix_ | nice and simple to install too which is good :) | 16:25 |
ckotil | for sure. | 16:26 |
+Radix_ | well on debian/ubuntu anyway :) | 16:26 |
ckotil | munin doesnt seem to be in red hats repository , but it is in dag wieers RPM repository. | 16:26 |
knowmad | man, that's a lot of info | 16:26 |
knowmad | simple to install is key for me | 16:26 |
+Radix_ | that's my home server.. so doesn't do too much.. but yeah :) | 16:27 |
knowmad | i'll need to break down my web traffic by domain | 16:27 |
knowmad | is that possible? | 16:27 |
+Radix_ | I forget that it's there most of the time :) | 16:27 |
+Radix_ | Hmm.. no idea I'm afraid | 16:28 |
ckotil | oh, you know what you could use for that, is awstat. | 16:28 |
ckotil | its not real time, but it estimates bandwidth from teh apache logs | 16:28 |
ckotil | and you would be able to separate it out by domain | 16:28 |
knowmad | i use webmin/virtualmin on my non-webgui server which supports alerts if a domain goes over its allotted bandwidth | 16:28 |
+Radix_ | awstat will certainly do that I guess.. as will any web log analyser | 16:28 |
knowmad | yeah, i have looked at it but it doesn't do alerting like webmin/virtualmin | 16:29 |
ckotil | yeah. | 16:29 |
knowmad | i think virtualmin is just reading the apache logs to calculate bandwidth which helps with CPU usage | 16:29 |
knowmad | there is a bandwidth module in webmin but they warn against using it since it uses iptables and has a performance impact | 16:29 |
+Radix_ | ipacct | 16:30 |
knowmad | i guess both ganglia and munin would have that impact as well | 16:30 |
knowmad | what ipacct? | 16:30 |
ckotil | its minimal it hink w/ ganglia and munin. bc you install a client on each machine and they report back to a server. | 16:30 |
+Radix_ | it's prolly what webmin uses.. has an impact on traffic, but can do whatever bandwidth stats you like | 16:30 |
knowmad | ok | 16:31 |
+Radix_ | http://martybugs.net/linux/ipac.cgi | 16:31 |
+Radix_ | that's the one I was thinking of.. not ipacct | 16:31 |
+Radix_ | friend of mine runs that page | 16:32 |
knowmad | but can it look into the packets to see what domain they are for? | 16:32 |
+Radix_ | different ip's for each domain? | 16:32 |
ckotil | you could put each domain on a separate interface, or virt-interface | 16:32 |
knowmad | nope shared | 16:32 |
knowmad | true | 16:32 |
knowmad | ok, so lots of options. thanks for the input | 16:33 |
+Radix_ | hard part is getting the data from somewhere then | 16:33 |
knowmad | what do you mean? | 16:33 |
+Radix_ | well you need to be able to distinguish what traffic belongs to what domain somehow | 16:34 |
knowmad | yes | 16:34 |
+Radix_ | unless you have separate interfaces (ips) or virtual interfaces or something setup it becomes quite hard | 16:34 |
knowmad | apache logs | 16:34 |
+Radix_ | yup, so a web analyser is your best and only bet | 16:34 |
ckotil | there could be an apache module that separates traffic by virtual host. | 16:35 |
+Radix_ | webalizer, awstats - one of them should do what you want | 16:35 |
+Radix_ | ckotil: you can easily have differnt logs for each domain | 16:35 |
ckotil | right. | 16:35 |
ckotil | but i was thinking more real time than that | 16:35 |
+Radix_ | can't use any ipaccounting schemes or anything tho if you're relying on apache logs | 16:35 |
knowmad | i just need an alert if a client is heading over | 16:36 |
knowmad | we're not to the point where realtime is all that important | 16:36 |
+Radix_ | fair enough | 16:36 |
knowmad | but those suggestions will be useful when that day comes | 16:36 |
ckotil | splunk might have something to offer, but then you are getting into a mess of running more software | 16:36 |
knowmad | yeah, i'd like to avoid lots more softwares | 16:36 |
ckotil | no doubt | 16:37 |
+Radix_ | there's some plugins for munin that track apache processes/accesses and volume | 16:38 |
+Radix_ | http://munin.projects.linpro.no/wiki/PluginCat | 16:38 |
+Radix_ | no idea how they work tho | 16:38 |
ckotil | ah nice | 16:39 |
+Radix_ | Actually.. this is a better site - http://muninexchange.projects.linpro.no/ | 16:40 |
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SDuensin | Morning. | 16:51 |
ckotil | nice Radix_ | 16:55 |
ckotil | morning sD | 16:55 |
ckotil | My group is already considering reevaluating ganglia and looking at alternatives, like munin. ;) | 17:02 |
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GooeyOfSteel | Wiki: SQLForm - Edited on 3/6/2008 9:21 am by dionak http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/sqlform | 17:32 |
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GooeyOfSteel | Wiki: SQLForm - Edited on 3/6/2008 10:01 am by dionak http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/sqlform | 18:12 |
perlmonkey2 | From a session, how would I get the home url of the site? | 18:21 |
perlmonkey2 | A survey will have an 'exit url' which will allow the creator to put where the survey will send the taker on completion. But I'd like it to default to home. | 18:22 |
@rizen | $session->url->gateway(); | 18:25 |
perlmonkey2 | getSiteURL....hmm...I should stop asking these questions types, as exploring wg is fun. | 18:25 |
perlmonkey2 | oh. | 18:25 |
perlmonkey2 | gateway is better/ | 18:25 |
perlmonkey2 | ? | 18:25 |
perlmonkey2 | $session->Url->getSiteURL() ? | 18:26 |
@rizen | getSiteURL gives you a fully qualified url | 18:26 |
@rizen | which i don't think is what you want in this case | 18:26 |
@rizen | you just want to go to the home page | 18:26 |
@rizen | both will achieve the same result, but getSiteURL could have side effects | 18:26 |
perlmonkey2 | so I'd called gateway with no params.... | 18:26 |
perlmonkey2 | side effects? | 18:27 |
@rizen | for example, lets say you have multiple addresses set up for the site survey.example.com and www.example.com | 18:27 |
@rizen | they've been taking the survey on www.example.com | 18:27 |
@rizen | but if survey.example.com is what is returned from getSiteURL then they'll lose their cookie and session | 18:27 |
perlmonkey2 | aha | 18:27 |
perlmonkey2 | okay.....gateway it is :) | 18:28 |
@rizen | getSiteURL is usually only used for generating emails | 18:28 |
perlmonkey2 | good to know | 18:28 |
@rizen | but i do have another question | 18:28 |
@rizen | why redirect them to the home page rather than just saying "thank you for taking the survey" and then letting them navigate wherever they want? | 18:29 |
perlmonkey2 | The people at work want to be able to send them to another site when the survey ends. | 18:29 |
perlmonkey2 | or to another location. | 18:29 |
perlmonkey2 | So I figure default it to WG/home and then let the user change to whatever. | 18:30 |
perlmonkey2 | rizen: You are the one who will be deciding if this merges into WG, and I don't want this to not be merged. So if you have a problem with that set up, please let me know. | 18:36 |
@rizen | i don't care, just seems odd to force the user for something that is irrelevant | 18:42 |
@rizen | not to mention arbitrary | 18:42 |
perlmonkey2 | How about default it to empty and then the creator can put something there if they want. If it is empty it doens't send the user anywhere. | 18:44 |
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@rizen | seems reasonable | 18:47 |
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CIA-52 | WebGUI: jt * r5729 /branch/WebGUI_Commerce/ (6 files in 2 dirs): shipping system integrated with cart, but need admin interface to test if it works | 19:30 |
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+perlDreamer | rizen: (hack, hack, cough, sniffle) quit breaking my tests | 19:56 |
CIA-52 | WebGUI: jt * r5730 /translations/French/ (French/WebGUI.pm notes.txt): update_from_translation_server | 19:57 |
CIA-52 | WebGUI: colin * r5731 /branch/WebGUI_Commerce/ (lib/WebGUI/Shop/Ship.pm t/Shop/Ship.t): fix a failing Shop::Ship test | 19:57 |
@apeiron | http://code.nytimes.com/projects/dbslayer hmmm... | 19:58 |
+perlDreamer | BSD chomping at the bit: http://bsd.slashdot.org/bsd/08/03/06/1313218.shtml | 19:58 |
@apeiron | eep, bsd and slashdot do not mix. =\ | 19:58 |
* apeiron would much, much rather go to the URL that that page is linking, if at all possible. | 19:58 |
+perlDreamer | apologies | 19:59 |
+perlDreamer | http://people.freebsd.org/~kris/scaling/7.0%20Preview.pdf | 19:59 |
+perlDreamer | slashdot doesn't render well on BDS's browser? | 19:59 |
@apeiron | No, it has a tendency to get warped through the Slashdot "BSD is dead" lens. | 20:01 |
@apeiron | heh heh | 20:01 |
+perlDreamer | dead, but fast :) | 20:02 |
@apeiron | "On this benchmark PostgreSQL is 35-45% faster than MySQL at all loads" | 20:02 |
* apeiron coughs. | 20:02 |
+perlDreamer | it would be funny, but imagine in 20 years if it was determined that Slashdot was originally responsible for Linux's popularity boost over BSD | 20:02 |
@apeiron | I'm certain it has played more than a small role. | 20:03 |
@apeiron | Neat. "Improved Support for legacy-free hardware (Macbook Pro)" | 20:06 |
+perlDreamer | On the science channel, they're talking about building a tunnel _through_ the Alps in Europe | 20:10 |
+perlDreamer | crazy | 20:10 |
@apeiron | Through as opposed to underneath? | 20:13 |
perlmonkey2 | dbslayer looks pretty cool....Although I'm biased towards anything that uses YAML/JSON+HTTP as a middleware. | 20:14 |
@apeiron | I mentioned it specifically because it's JSON-friendly and because of the status JSON has in the WebGUI stack. | 20:14 |
+perlDreamer | well, through a mountain near the base, so most likely underneath is more accurate | 20:15 |
@apeiron | Still, that's pretty serious business. | 20:16 |
+perlDreamer | yeah, it's 35 miles long | 20:17 |
@rizen | dbslayer is interesting, but methinks that it would have a significant performance penalty | 20:21 |
@rizen | just the serialization back and forth between json is huge, but more importantly http is heavier and slower than native mysql connections | 20:22 |
@apeiron | hmm. | 20:25 |
@apeiron | I'm thinking that if it's good enough for the NY Times, it may be good enough for us. | 20:25 |
@rizen | freebsd needs to stop saying it's better and actually make itself better. it's install process is terrible. that would be a good place to start. | 20:25 |
@apeiron | They're working on that. | 20:25 |
@rizen | it's install process now is as bad as webgui was back in the 5.x days | 20:25 |
@apeiron | (not that I mind the current install process) | 20:25 |
@rizen | good enough for the new york times is different than good enough for us | 20:26 |
@apeiron | Some people *like* the bare minimal, no frills method. | 20:26 |
@apeiron | I personally don't want to start X to install an OS. | 20:26 |
@rizen | most webgui servers are single server environement | 20:26 |
@rizen | apeiron: and therein lies the problem with bsd. they write it for themselves (ie you) and wonder why the masses don't come to it | 20:27 |
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@apeiron | http://www.bsdinstaller.org/screenshots.html I believe is the "new" installer that they're working on porting to FreeBSD. | 20:27 |
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@rizen | that's still a decade behind ubuntu/redhat/suse | 20:29 |
@rizen | not that it's not a step in the right direction | 20:29 |
@rizen | but all of those can be installed without X as well, but they have the X install for the masses | 20:29 |
@apeiron | shrug. I can't disagree with the difference in philosophy point. | 20:29 |
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@rizen | i'm also not saying it's bad to do build it for themselves and the people like them | 20:33 |
* apeiron nods. | 20:33 |
@rizen | i used to do that with webgui too | 20:33 |
@rizen | but if you want marketshare, you have to deal with what the market wants, and prove you're better than the competition | 20:34 |
@rizen | hence the wre | 20:34 |
@apeiron | http://docs.pcbsd.org/guide/chap2.3.html looks pretty enticing. | 20:34 |
@apeiron | For what you're expecting, anyway. | 20:35 |
@rizen | oooh. very nice | 20:35 |
@apeiron | Yeah. I just don't know the licensing on it. | 20:35 |
+perlDreamer | Now that's something my mom might be able to use | 20:35 |
perlmonkey2 | http://pastebin.com/d78755469 | 20:45 |
perlmonkey2 | Anyone care to tell me why this overload isn't being called? | 20:45 |
+perlDreamer | because I lied to you yesterday | 20:46 |
+perlDreamer | it needs to be called www_editSave | 20:46 |
perlmonkey2 | the method and the super call? | 20:47 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 20:47 |
perlmonkey2 | groovy, thanks again :) | 20:47 |
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+perlDreamer | np | 20:48 |
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+perlDreamer | If I was more helpful, I'd get you confused for 2 days :( | 20:48 |
perlmonkey2 | You are saving me tons of time from digging in wg internals..... | 20:49 |
perlmonkey2 | hmm, www_editSave still isn't being called. And the only error in webgui.log is a spectre error that seems to have something to do with my broken versions of the survey. | 20:51 |
+perlDreamer | so you bring up the edit form, hit the save button and no www_editSave gets called? | 20:52 |
+perlDreamer | do you have a func=editSave in your edit form? | 20:52 |
perlmonkey2 | it is autogenerated | 20:52 |
+perlDreamer | check the source | 20:52 |
perlmonkey2 | k | 20:52 |
perlmonkey2 | <input type="hidden" name="func" value="editSave" /> | 20:52 |
+perlDreamer | yup, that looks right | 20:53 |
+perlDreamer | did you restart the server? | 20:53 |
+perlDreamer | after renaming the method? | 20:53 |
perlmonkey2 | many many times | 20:54 |
+perlDreamer | is the master www_editSave in Asset.pm getting called instead? | 20:54 |
+perlDreamer | and, is there POD docs for your overridden www_editSave? | 20:54 |
perlmonkey2 | http://pastebin.com/d33f0aadf is the only error in webgui.log, but that seems to be spectre related | 20:55 |
perlmonkey2 | no, there are no pod docs for it. | 20:55 |
perlmonkey2 | I guess I can add a warn in the master www_editSave and see if it is called. | 20:55 |
+perlDreamer | one of my favorite bugs is to forget to put =cut after my POD docs and then wonder why my code doesn't work | 20:56 |
perlmonkey2 | yep, the super is being called | 20:56 |
perlmonkey2 | hah | 20:56 |
perlmonkey2 | hopefully highlighting woudl catch that for me. | 20:57 |
perlmonkey2 | but it isn't being called from my method, it is being called instead of my method. | 20:57 |
+perlDreamer | do you have logging turned on to a low level? | 20:57 |
+perlDreamer | so that warns get logged? | 20:57 |
perlmonkey2 | yes | 20:58 |
perlmonkey2 | the warn for the super was logged | 20:58 |
+perlDreamer | may I have a new paste, please, with 10 lines of context on either side? | 20:58 |
perlmonkey2 | and I changed the method to error log in case | 20:58 |
perlmonkey2 | sure | 20:58 |
perlmonkey2 | http://pastebin.com/d7152c337 | 21:00 |
+perlDreamer | okay, next, please paste the source for the edit form | 21:01 |
perlmonkey2 | the edit form is autogenerated | 21:01 |
+perlDreamer | yes, but it does have hiccups | 21:02 |
perlmonkey2 | the editSurvey form? | 21:02 |
perlmonkey2 | You want this: surveyEditTemplateId ? | 21:02 |
perlmonkey2 | that is never used during wobject creation | 21:02 |
perlmonkey2 | oh, you mean source HTML | 21:03 |
+perlDreamer | hang on, I have another idea | 21:03 |
+perlDreamer | Looking at the CS, it calls www_editSave _after_ doing child level work. | 21:04 |
+perlDreamer | try moving the call to SUPER to the end of your sub | 21:04 |
@preaction | you should put that code in processPropertiesFromFormPost anyway | 21:04 |
+perlDreamer | really? why? | 21:04 |
perlmonkey2 | All I want if for it to check if the first and last section exist, and if not, insert them. Just need a hook into the survey edit tail end. | 21:05 |
perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: if the super call was messing things up, surely the call to the logger would still be executred? | 21:06 |
perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: nope, moving the super call to the last method line didn't change things. | 21:07 |
* perlmonkey2 wonders where everyone went. | 21:08 |
* perlDreamer was reading perlbuzz | 21:10 |
+perlDreamer | preaction's suggestion about processPropertiesFromFormPost is good | 21:11 |
+perlDreamer | he's more familiar with the UI API than I am | 21:11 |
perlmonkey2 | oh, didn't realize that was a final solution...okay, thanks | 21:11 |
+perlDreamer | I don't doubt him at all, just don't understand why it's better than the editSave | 21:14 |
@preaction | it's just been standard practice | 21:14 |
+perlDreamer | so when do you use one over the other? | 21:14 |
@preaction | only reason to overload www_editSave is to output something besides the standard response to saving an asset | 21:14 |
perlmonkey2 | wow, my main view template spontaneously disappeared from the DB. | 21:20 |
perlmonkey2 | I was using PBtmpl00000000000000001 | 21:20 |
perlmonkey2 | er 2 | 21:20 |
perlmonkey2 | the default old Survey template. | 21:20 |
perlmonkey2 | and it magically disappeared from the db. | 21:20 |
perlmonkey2 | No, that isn't what happened. about 20 lines of my file merged with some other file. I wonder if svn update did this? | 21:25 |
+perlDreamer | I don't understand what you mean. Which file is yours? | 21:26 |
+perlDreamer | if it was svn, you can check the version history | 21:26 |
perlmonkey2 | I have no idea what happened....I'm working from an svo co. But all I did was overwrite the Survey.pm with my own file. But I ran svn update this mornig and I wonder if it saw my version had changed and did some sort of funky merge. | 21:28 |
perlmonkey2 | And the default template changed from last two chars 61 to 02. Now I have surveys in the db, with the wrong non-existant template. | 21:28 |
perlmonkey2 | I changed them in the DB, but wg still won't show up complaining that the survey can't call prepareview on a survey obj that doens't exist. | 21:29 |
perlmonkey2 | I have gremlins doing everything they can to make sure I don't get this done. | 21:29 |
@preaction | if you ever change the database raw, you must delete the cache | 21:29 |
+perlDreamer | last change to survey.pm was 4 weeks ago | 21:29 |
perlmonkey2 | I restarted? | 21:29 |
@preaction | still keeps the webgui cache | 21:29 |
@preaction | rm -rf /tmp/WebGUICache | 21:29 |
perlmonkey2 | preaction: and I can't delete the cache from the gui, it is unresponsive. | 21:29 |
perlmonkey2 | okay | 21:30 |
+perlDreamer | did the resetdev script ever get checked in? | 21:30 |
* perlDreamer looks under tools | 21:30 |
@rizen | pm2 you can't override www_editSave | 21:30 |
@rizen | use processPropertiesFromFormPost instead | 21:30 |
+perlDreamer | the CS overrides www_editSave | 21:31 |
@rizen | yeah, for threads | 21:31 |
@rizen | not for itself | 21:31 |
perlmonkey2 | rizen: Okay, thanks. That is what preaction advised also (and what is working now before my install became completely hosed). | 21:31 |
perlmonkey2 | remove all WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Survey from asset and everything from Survey should remove everything connected to that wobject without doing further damage to my install? | 21:33 |
+perlDreamer | also, the wobject table | 21:34 |
+perlDreamer | asset, assetData, wobject, survey* | 21:34 |
+perlDreamer | probably easier to just drop the db and run the upgrade script again | 21:34 |
perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: But then I'd lose the new table defs | 21:36 |
perlmonkey2 | which I guess I should export so that I can rerun the upgrade script | 21:37 |
@rizen | pm2: so export them before you drop | 21:37 |
@rizen | perlDreamer: we need to have a small chat | 21:37 |
@rizen | what do you think about the admin tools? | 21:37 |
@rizen | do you think they should be on one page like i have in my design doc | 21:37 |
@rizen | or do you think we should separate them out | 21:37 |
+perlDreamer | admin tools for c2? | 21:38 |
@rizen | yeah | 21:38 |
+perlDreamer | I'll go review them. be back in 5 | 21:38 |
@rizen | creating shippers, payers, tax, setting templates, etc | 21:39 |
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knowmads | hey colin, got another Windoze/JSON issue | 21:41 |
knowmads | this time with Spectre | 21:41 |
+perlDreamer | for only a few payments and shippers, 1 screen works well | 21:41 |
knowmads | i'm going to paste the error msg to pastebin; just a sec... | 21:41 |
+perlDreamer | but if there are lots, it won't scale cleanly | 21:41 |
+perlDreamer | taxes needs its own screen | 21:41 |
+perlDreamer | since there will be tons of data to manage | 21:42 |
+perlDreamer | even with the js data form | 21:42 |
knowmads | http://webgui.pastebin.org/22667 | 21:42 |
knowmads | i see you're heavy into commerce | 21:42 |
@rizen | ok then | 21:42 |
@rizen | i'll keep them separate | 21:43 |
@rizen | i'm starting with settings and shipping | 21:43 |
+perlDreamer | it wasn't easy working an ajax interface into the tabbed commerce screen | 21:43 |
knowmads | if you could spare a minute when you're free to look at that output, we'd appreciate it | 21:43 |
@rizen | yeah, we're not going to use tabs | 21:43 |
+perlDreamer | any thoughts on taxes and relationships between city/code? | 21:43 |
+perlDreamer | knowmads: I won't forget you :) | 21:43 |
@rizen | i posted a response to the list | 21:43 |
knowmads | Thanks! | 21:43 |
@rizen | basically country is required | 21:44 |
+perlDreamer | it might take me 3 weeks to add your script, but I won't forget | 21:44 |
@rizen | the others aren't | 21:44 |
+perlDreamer | but if I have a city, that requires a state for uniqueness? | 21:44 |
@rizen | read my post...you can't force it through the ui | 21:44 |
@rizen | the user just has to be smart enough | 21:45 |
@rizen | not the customer, but the person setting up taxes | 21:45 |
+perlDreamer | I understand now | 21:45 |
+perlDreamer | commerce is hard | 21:45 |
@rizen | yes it is | 21:45 |
@rizen | it would be easier if we were only dealing with the US | 21:45 |
@rizen | but throwing in all the economies of the world makes it very complex | 21:45 |
+perlDreamer | yeah, but then we'd piss off nuba, Radix*, koen, MrHairgrease, bartJol, estiven, lisette, xdanger, dapperdodo and bunches of other people | 21:46 |
@rizen | hehe yup | 21:46 |
@rizen | which is why we have to keep it complex | 21:46 |
+perlDreamer | knowmads: this is with windows connecting to WRE on Mac OS X? | 21:48 |
knowmads | no, it's windows connecting to localhost | 21:48 |
+perlDreamer | where is that "Mac OS X" string coming from then? | 21:49 |
knowmads | it looks like it's coming from JSON | 21:50 |
knowmads | or rather Config::JSON | 21:50 |
+perlDreamer | yeah, it's from the new method. | 21:50 |
+perlDreamer | check your config files for corruption | 21:50 |
knowmads | ok | 21:51 |
+perlDreamer | and file this as a bug, please. The exception from JSON->new needs to be trapped and converted in a useful error message like "Your config file $file is borked, dude" | 21:52 |
knowmads | will file it but the config file looks clean and we can't find any trace of that string "Mac OS X" which is weird | 21:54 |
+perlDreamer | spectre.conf is clean? | 21:55 |
knowmads | yes, it was | 21:56 |
knowmads | found the problem | 21:56 |
@preaction | why am I more worried when something Works on the first try, no debugging, than I am when i have to sit and debug for 3+ hours? | 21:57 |
knowmads | there was a .conf file in our etc dir called ._nci.conf which was full of binary stuff and the Mac OS X string | 21:57 |
knowmads | apparently testing spectre was causing all conf files to be loaded | 21:57 |
@preaction | did OSX add that itself? | 21:57 |
knowmads | we don't know where it came from | 21:57 |
knowmads | we're working off a Win XP workstation | 21:57 |
+perlDreamer | recent WRE install? | 21:57 |
knowmads | yes | 21:57 |
@preaction | loadAllConfigs should ignore hidden files | 21:57 |
+perlDreamer | just for kicks, make sure it isn't in the WRE tarball | 21:58 |
knowmads | the real conf file is nci.conf so i think it's something of ours | 21:58 |
knowmads | just don't know how it got there | 21:58 |
@preaction | oh, samba probably | 21:58 |
@preaction | i've noticed samba from OSX does that sometimes | 21:58 |
knowmads | oh! that's probably it | 21:59 |
knowmads | where is loadAllConfigs? | 21:59 |
+perlDreamer | loadAllConfigs calls readAllConfigs, which gets them all | 21:59 |
+perlDreamer | WebGUI::Config | 21:59 |
knowmads | it apparently isn't ignoring dotfiles on windows | 21:59 |
+perlDreamer | it reads all files | 22:00 |
knowmads | perlDreamer: you're saying it won't ignore? | 22:00 |
knowmads | ok | 22:00 |
@preaction | imho it should ignore hidden files | 22:00 |
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knowmads | +1 | 22:00 |
knowmads | hurray, now I have new errors :) | 22:01 |
+perlDreamer | File it as a bug, if it isn't converted into an RFE it will get fixed quickly | 22:01 |
+perlDreamer | and put in all branches | 22:01 |
knowmads | ok | 22:01 |
+perlDreamer | RFEs will only be put into 7.5 | 22:02 |
knowmads | ok, i've added 2 bug reports -- one for the dotfiles and one for the ungraceful exit from Config::JSON | 22:08 |
knowmads | now to fix my spectre comm error | 22:08 |
knowmads | there we go... needed to restart it for some reason | 22:09 |
knowmads | thanks folks | 22:09 |
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wgGuest87 | ok, new question now | 22:12 |
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wknowmad | are there docs on upgrade wre from 0.8.1 to 0.8.3? | 22:12 |
+perlDreamer | wiki? | 22:13 |
+perlDreamer | it would be there if anywhere | 22:13 |
wknowmad | there's a script called wreupdate.pl but i've never seen docs | 22:13 |
wknowmad | yeah, i've looked but haven't seen anything obvious yet | 22:13 |
wknowmad | will keep looking | 22:13 |
wknowmad | actually it's wreupgrade.pl | 22:13 |
@rizen | just run wreupgrade.pl after you copy the new files over the time | 22:14 |
@rizen | top | 22:14 |
@rizen | it says that right in the wre if you look in docs/upgrade.txt | 22:14 |
wknowmad | good to know | 22:14 |
wknowmad | will update the wiki | 22:14 |
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wknowmad | see rizen, you've got me trained to go to the wiki first for all my documentation ;) | 22:17 |
GooeyOfSteel | Wiki: Upgrade WRE (v0.8.x) - Created on 3/6/2008 2:06 pm by knowmad http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/upgrade-wre-v0.8.x | 22:17 |
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@rizen | that's not my doing | 22:18 |
wknowmad | come on now, you've been blogging about moving online documentation into the wiki | 22:19 |
@rizen | i have? | 22:19 |
@rizen | i remember there was some post that someone made that i replied to, but i don't remember blogging about it | 22:20 |
@rizen | regardless, i always look to the documentation that comes with software before i look at a software's web site | 22:20 |
wknowmad | oh, maybe i misunderstood but i thought your plan when removing the help system from webgui internals was to have the wiki replace it | 22:20 |
@rizen | that is true, but that was on the dev mailing list not the blog | 22:21 |
@rizen | that announcement came before the blog existed | 22:21 |
wknowmad | guess i'm just getting lazy in my old age | 22:21 |
@rizen | colin and i started that a year ago now | 22:21 |
@rizen | not saying you shouldn't look at the wiki | 22:22 |
wknowmad | it's certainly been useful though my comments a few weeks back in your blog still stand | 22:22 |
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@rizen | the comments about hierarchy and tables of contents? | 22:22 |
wknowmad | yes | 22:23 |
@rizen | it's on my todo, but i can't do commerce and that | 22:23 |
@rizen | commerce is too big | 22:23 |
@rizen | needs to get done first | 22:23 |
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knowmad | (back at my workstation) yes, i agree that commerce is bigger | 22:24 |
knowmad | it sounds like ya'll are making good progress | 22:25 |
+perlDreamer | I wonder if the bible equates cursing with swearing | 22:28 |
knowmad | semantics | 22:29 |
+perlDreamer | surely, spewing foul language isn't the same as asking God to nuke something? ;) | 22:31 |
+perlDreamer | If I take cold medicine, I feel drugged. If I don't I feel sick. I can't code well in either case. | 22:31 |
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lisette | hello | 22:32 |
+perlDreamer | buenos tardes, lisette | 22:32 |
+perlDreamer | Tienes una pregunta hoy? | 22:33 |
lisette | i tried send email with the module webgui WenGUI::Mail::Send, and the replyTo and returnPath, don't works | 22:33 |
lisette | buenas tardes | 22:33 |
+perlDreamer | does the person get the email at all? | 22:34 |
lisette | si tengo una pregunta, no me quiere funcionar el replyTo y el returnPath | 22:34 |
+perlDreamer | pero la persona recibe el "email"? | 22:34 |
+perlDreamer | or no? | 22:34 |
lisette | si la persona recibe el email | 22:34 |
lisette | pero en los headers no aparece el reply ni el returnPath | 22:35 |
lisette | y yo los tengo dentro del hash que se necesita para crear el email | 22:36 |
+perlDreamer | sorry, need to switch to English for bit :) | 22:36 |
+perlDreamer | returnPath and replyTo aren't valid params to WebGUI emails | 22:36 |
lisette | y porque estan en la documentacion del modulo? | 22:37 |
+perlDreamer | perldoc WebGUI::Inbox::Message | 22:37 |
lisette | perldoc WebGUI::Mail::Send | 22:37 |
@preaction | headers => { replyTo, returnPath } i think | 22:37 |
+perlDreamer | lisette, you're right | 22:38 |
+perlDreamer | whoops, preaction I meant | 22:39 |
lisette | my $mail = WebGUI::Mail::Send->create($session, { to=>$to, | 22:39 |
lisette | from=>$from, subject=>$subject, replyTo=>$reply, returnPath=>$reply}) | 22:39 |
+perlDreamer | that looks right | 22:42 |
+perlDreamer | pero, dice que no functiono bien? | 22:42 |
lisette | no, no funciona | 22:42 |
lisette | el correo llega bien, pero no llega el reply ni el returnPath en los headers | 22:43 |
@preaction | no, the replyTo and returnPath keys need to be inside of a headers => hashref | 22:43 |
lisette | ok, i try | 22:43 |
@preaction | so create( $session, { to => $to, from => $from, headers => { replyTo => $replyTo, returnPath => $returnPath } }) | 22:43 |
lisette | thanks | 22:43 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: that's not what the code says. all headers in 1 hashref | 22:43 |
@preaction | oh | 22:43 |
@preaction | uhm | 22:43 |
+perlDreamer | class, session, headers | 22:43 |
lisette | and what must do? | 22:44 |
+perlDreamer | estamos pensando | 22:44 |
@preaction | 7.5.x has getMimeEntity method in WebGUI::Mail::Send, you could use that to edit the MIME::Entity object directly | 22:45 |
@preaction | but this sounds like a bug... | 22:45 |
+perlDreamer | yeah, but it looks clean all the way into MIME::Entiry | 22:45 |
@preaction | are you sure sendmail isn't rewriting your Reply-To and X-Return-Path headers? | 22:45 |
+perlDreamer | do we have an email test now, by chance? | 22:45 |
@preaction | we do | 22:45 |
@preaction | in 7.5.2 or 3 i think | 22:46 |
@preaction | t/Mail/Send.t | 22:46 |
+perlDreamer | Do you know just how cool you are? | 22:46 |
@preaction | i have an idea | 22:46 |
+perlDreamer | I need to work on Taxes for a while, but if I have a chance later this afternoon I'll try to add a test for Reply-To and Return-Path | 22:47 |
lisette | no, don't rewrite | 22:47 |
lisette | thaks, muchas gracias | 22:47 |
GooeyOfSteel | Wiki: Upgrade WRE (v0.8.x) - Edited on 3/6/2008 2:37 pm by knowmad http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/upgrade-wre-v0.8.x | 22:48 |
wknowmad | i'm sitting here watching the new WRE files overwrite the old ones and caught lots of activity happening in wre/prereqs/cpan | 22:49 |
wknowmad | is that directory really necessary for the WRE distribution? it looks like build dirs and source data that could be ejected from the release | 22:50 |
@rizen | is that from windows? | 22:53 |
@rizen | if so then yes because the windows build process is very different we don't have an optimizer build script that gets rid of all the extra crap you don't need | 22:54 |
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wknowmad | ok, fair enough (and yes, it's windoze) | 22:57 |
@rizen | some day we'll make a better build process for windows | 22:57 |
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@rizen | it's just hard to justify a lot of work for one platform that most people don't deploy on | 22:57 |
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@preaction | patches welcome though, since you guys do a lot of work on the windows platform no? | 22:58 |
+perlDreamer | this is getting more fun all the time | 22:58 |
+perlDreamer | rizen: you read paul's post about taxes? | 22:59 |
+perlDreamer | The illinois tax document doesn't even list postal codes | 22:59 |
@rizen | of course not, they list counties | 23:01 |
@rizen | but postal codes exist in the counties | 23:01 |
@rizen | and if someone wants to purchase a zip code database so they can keep that shit up to date, then our system handles that | 23:02 |
@rizen | but we're not going to build in a "county" designation just for the US especially since we're not going to make people type in their county during checkout | 23:02 |
@rizen | unless you see something i don't | 23:03 |
+perlDreamer | well, if Illinois location codes are based on zip codes, we're fine | 23:04 |
+perlDreamer | otherwise we won't be calculating the right tax | 23:04 |
@rizen | pd that's not the question you should be asking | 23:05 |
@rizen | we know the user's zip code, city, state, and country | 23:05 |
@rizen | how do we figure out their county from that? | 23:05 |
@rizen | that is the question | 23:05 |
+perlDreamer | I disagree | 23:05 |
@rizen | you can't disagree | 23:06 |
+perlDreamer | they're listed by location code, not county | 23:06 |
@rizen | pd | 23:06 |
@rizen | stop | 23:06 |
+perlDreamer | if there's a correlation between location code and postal code, it's fine | 23:06 |
@rizen | i don't care what the state of illiinois says about tax location codes | 23:06 |
@rizen | i'm telling you that we only have city, state, zip code and country from the user | 23:06 |
@rizen | we have those 4 pieces of info | 23:06 |
@rizen | that's it | 23:07 |
@rizen | so given that, how do we figure out location codes | 23:07 |
@rizen | or county | 23:07 |
+perlDreamer | we'd need some table | 23:07 |
@rizen | or any other bullshit law that some locality decides to add | 23:07 |
+perlDreamer | right, we'd need lots of tables | 23:07 |
@rizen | exactly...we'd need a database of zip codes that match location codes | 23:07 |
@rizen | and since we need to have that, then our system has that covered, because we already know how to match zip codes | 23:08 |
+perlDreamer | unless zip codes don't map into location codes | 23:08 |
@rizen | it's not automated...and i don't care | 23:08 |
@rizen | but we cover it | 23:08 |
+perlDreamer | when you become president, you need to unify that :) | 23:09 |
@rizen | but if they don't map, then what good does a table look up do us? | 23:09 |
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@rizen | we have no more information | 23:09 |
@rizen | we can't map something to nothing | 23:09 |
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+perlDreamer | exactly | 23:09 |
+perlDreamer | that's why I tried to call the state of Illinois (they're busy right now) | 23:09 |
@rizen | therefore our system is as good as it can be | 23:09 |
@rizen | why? | 23:09 |
@rizen | it doesn't matter what they say | 23:09 |
@rizen | we CANNOT do any better than we have done | 23:10 |
@rizen | we have 4 pieces of info | 23:10 |
@rizen | that's all we will ever have | 23:10 |
+perlDreamer | well, none of the online commerce systems I've used ask for county, or location code, or anything else. | 23:10 |
+perlDreamer | so maybe that's good enough | 23:10 |
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@rizen | it's up to the store owner that wants to sell in some particular location to figure out how to get their local laws into our system | 23:11 |
@rizen | we can't possibly be expected to account for every stupid local law in every municipality around the world automatically | 23:11 |
elnino | Hello. where are the default meta tags/headers configured in webgui? - the ones that are put on the page - separate than the ones under properties? | 23:11 |
@rizen | we just have to provide the tools that work with what we can do, so that the users can massage their stuff into ours | 23:11 |
+perlDreamer | okay | 23:12 |
GooeyOfSteel | Wiki: WRE for Windows - Created on 3/6/2008 3:03 pm by knowmad http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/wre-for-windows | 23:13 |
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@rizen | pd you really are a worry wart aren't you? | 23:14 |
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+perlDreamer | rizen: in chips, not knowing the answer to all questions ruins 5 months of work and gets projects canceled | 23:14 |
GooeyOfSteel | Wiki: Windows Installations - Edited on 3/6/2008 3:03 pm by knowmad http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/windows-installations | 23:14 |
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+perlDreamer | so, yes | 23:14 |
+perlDreamer | wgGuest25: you're a wiki hacking fied today | 23:15 |
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@rizen | i like to know that answer to all questions that are relevant as well, but we can't answer questions that are out of scope | 23:15 |
+perlDreamer | and if too many projects get killed due to lack of knowledge, they'll fix that problem permanently. | 23:15 |
@rizen | location codes are out of scope | 23:15 |
wgGuest85 | hello | 23:16 |
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juan | hello | 23:18 |
+perlDreamer | hello, juan | 23:19 |
juan | i have several post in a collabotation system, i need to change the user who posted the all threads | 23:19 |
juan | can i do that? | 23:19 |
CIA-52 | WebGUI: jt * r5732 /translations/French/French/AuthWebGUI.pm: update_from_translation_server | 23:19 |
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@preaction | not from the web interface, but from the database you can change the ownerUserId in the assetData table | 23:20 |
juan | ok | 23:20 |
juan | another question, in the default data form template can i ask for a specific field? | 23:21 |
+perlDreamer | check the Data Form template help page for the list of variables | 23:21 |
+perlDreamer | Do you know how to access that? | 23:21 |
juan | in the admin console, help | 23:21 |
+perlDreamer | yes, that's it | 23:22 |
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GooeyOfSteel | Wiki: WRE for Windows - Edited on 3/6/2008 3:14 pm by knowmad http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/wre-for-windows | 23:25 |
juan | yes, i know but i was trying to use the variables and i don't if that works. for example i have a field called test, in the template can i ask like this | 23:27 |
juan | i want to ask in the template if field.name ="test" | 23:28 |
juan | i want to validate that field to put an extra sentences | 23:28 |
+perlDreamer | for that, you need to use a different templating language than the default WebGUI one, which is HTML::Template | 23:28 |
+perlDreamer | HTML::TemplateExpr, or Template::Toolkit will allow that | 23:29 |
+perlDreamer | or, you can do it with javascript | 23:29 |
+perlDreamer | or, you can add subtext information to the "test" field which will be put in there | 23:29 |
@rizen | you enable them in your webgui config file | 23:29 |
perlmonkey2 | Where can I find an example of the rich text editor being used in a template? | 23:31 |
+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2, I believe that it is invoked in the HTMLForm form plugin | 23:32 |
perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: gracias | 23:32 |
juan | perlDreamer, thanks, i am going to look form documentation to test it | 23:33 |
+perlDreamer | cool | 23:34 |
+perlDreamer | buena suerte | 23:34 |
elnino | hello | 23:34 |
+perlDreamer | I'm sorry, but all of our developers are busy. Please wait on the line until the next developer is available. | 23:35 |
elnino | do I hear elevator music? | 23:35 |
@preaction | those default meta tags are defined in the code i believe. WebGUI::Session::Style | 23:37 |
perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: you have overestimated my ability to dig through HTMLForm and find where it is generating the autoforms which have the rich text editor in them. | 23:37 |
elnino | thanks! | 23:37 |
@rizen | pm2: lib/WebGUI/Form/HTMLArea.pm | 23:37 |
perlmonkey2 | thanks rizen | 23:37 |
@rizen | as for which rich editor, by default it uses the one configured in the settings | 23:38 |
@rizen | you should make a property in the survey asset if you want to override that | 23:38 |
@rizen | the same way that the CS and the Wiki do | 23:38 |
+perlDreamer | rizen: Do I have to worry about people putting duplicate data into the tax table? | 23:38 |
@rizen | pd i don't think so, if they put it in it's there own damn fault | 23:39 |
@rizen | and if it becomes a problem, we'll worry about it then | 23:39 |
perlmonkey2 | rizen: woah, I was expecting a template which used a lib in extras...this is going to take some learning. | 23:39 |
perlmonkey2 | I didn't realize there was a whole asset to do this. | 23:39 |
@rizen | there is a template | 23:39 |
@rizen | that the rich editor asset uses | 23:39 |
+perlDreamer | the asset just manages the interface to the TinyMCE options | 23:39 |
@rizen | but it has to be an asset so that users can set up their own rich editors easily | 23:40 |
@rizen | speaking of which, it turns out tinymce came out with a whole new version last month | 23:40 |
@rizen | going to have to update that before 7.5 comes out | 23:40 |
+perlDreamer | lots of good new stuff? | 23:40 |
perlmonkey2 | $session->setting->get("richEditor") || "PBrichedit000000000001" should return text I can set = to a tmpl_var? | 23:41 |
@rizen | better safari support is the main thing i'm interested in | 23:41 |
@rizen | pm2 i don't know what you're asking | 23:41 |
+perlDreamer | that gets the assetId for a particular richTextEditor | 23:42 |
+perlDreamer | you can use Form::HTMLArea to build one for you | 23:42 |
perlmonkey2 | I have a template that is just going to be a snippet of html that will be returned to an ajax call and set as the innerHTML in the edit div. I need there to be a rich text area in that html. And I'm not really sure where to begin to create that without adding a new file to extras and using that. | 23:43 |
@preaction | heh, i did that once. it works fine if you preload the TinyMCE javascripts on the base page (i think) | 23:45 |
perlmonkey2 | preaction: which isn't a problem, but I fear this isn't the WG way to do thing.s | 23:45 |
@rizen | perlmonkey2, like i said before, when it comes to ajax forget about the webgui way of doing things | 23:46 |
@rizen | there isn't one | 23:46 |
@rizen | that's what 7.6 is going to be about | 23:46 |
@preaction | i lied. i made a text area and then used the javascript to apply the tinymce to it after i set innerHtml | 23:46 |
@preaction | i couldn't get the tinymce to just work, but applying it to a text area works fine | 23:46 |
GooeyOfSteel | Wiki: Upgrade WRE (v0.8.x) - Edited on 3/6/2008 3:37 pm by knowmad http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/upgrade-wre-v0.8.x | 23:47 |
perlmonkey2 | rizen: okay, I just don't want to cowboy out and create this one off wobject that is barely maintainable. | 23:48 |
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@rizen | there will definitely be some massaging that has to be done after you put it together | 23:48 |
@rizen | because we simply don't have a good infrastructure to create massively ajax apps yet | 23:49 |
@rizen | this is mainly due to how our current form controls system works | 23:49 |
perlmonkey2 | tinymce2/jscripts/webgui.js is the one to use? | 23:49 |
@rizen | nope, you have to use all of them | 23:49 |
@rizen | just like HTMLArea.pm does | 23:50 |
perlmonkey2 | okay :) | 23:50 |
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juan | perlDreamer, related to the thread in the assetData the | 23:53 |
juan | excuseme | 23:53 |
+perlDreamer | no hay de nada | 23:53 |
juan | the ownerId that i have is correct | 23:53 |
juan | the problem is that the threads have the alias of this user | 23:54 |
juan | can i change the alias? | 23:54 |
+perlDreamer | voy a buscar | 23:54 |
juan | ok | 23:54 |
+perlDreamer | in WebGUI, a Thread is a Post via inheritance | 23:55 |
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+perlDreamer | In the Post table, it stores the username | 23:55 |
+perlDreamer | it would need to be changed there, as well | 23:55 |
juan | i changed it but the post continues with the old alias | 23:56 |
+perlDreamer | have you cleared the WebGUI cache? | 23:56 |
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elnino | hello | 23:59 |
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juan | gracias perlDreamer | 00:00 |
juan | ya corregi el problema | 00:00 |
+perlDreamer | cool | 00:02 |
elnino | is there a way to completely turn off caching? | 00:02 |
elnino | I've got 7.4.26 | 00:03 |
+perlDreamer | try checking the settings... | 00:04 |
elnino | I'm there, I dont' see anything | 00:04 |
elnino | anymore | 00:04 |
elnino | There used to be something there I thought. | 00:04 |
@preaction | no. WebGUI caches things for speed. no way to disable that | 00:04 |
@preaction | you're thinking the client-side browser cache, which it is possible to attempt to work around | 00:05 |
@preaction | i think Content > Prevent Proxy Cache, but it might have been removed since it wasn't effective at all | 00:05 |
elnino | that's there, but I don't understand that. It says urls will be unfriendly, etc. is that what i want? | 00:06 |
@preaction | what do you want to do? prevent browsers from caching your pages? | 00:08 |
elnino | no, I want to prevent webgui from caching my pages. It's not obeying the cache settings on assets that I've set, and it's completely ruined the site, and I need this site back up asap. | 00:10 |
@preaction | clear the cache from the Admin Console | 00:11 |
@preaction | or rm -rf /tmp/WebGUICache | 00:11 |
@preaction | (if you're using the default FileCache) | 00:11 |
elnino | yep, i've done that, but that's just one time clearing, I can not allow caching at all. | 00:12 |
elnino | I might just do a cron every 5 seconds. | 00:12 |
@rizen | elnino don't do that | 00:12 |
@rizen | find the problem | 00:12 |
@rizen | don't patch | 00:12 |
@rizen | tell us what's wrong | 00:12 |
elnino | ok - ready? | 00:13 |
+perlDreamer | rizen: I'm halfway through the new Tax code | 00:13 |
elnino | I have a secondn non-webgui site. It has a login page. people login, and a cookie is set. | 00:13 |
elnino | they are redirected to my webgui -based site. | 00:13 |
elnino | in webgui. I have user groups that take the values of these cookies, run it agains the db and determine which pages this webgui-visitor can see. | 00:14 |
elnino | this worked grreat. | 00:14 |
elnino | on my pages, where customer specific information is displayed, I have the cache setting to 1 second. | 00:15 |
elnino | so that users don't see the previous user's information. | 00:15 |
@preaction | no that won't work. they need to be a registered user. registered user's pages do not get cached by webgui | 00:15 |
@preaction | i think there's a thread on the community forums about this | 00:15 |
elnino | Since I've upgraded last week, (which hasn't been noticed till now) is when a user logs in is they see the previous users information. | 00:15 |
@rizen | pages are always cached for 60 seconds for visitors | 00:16 |
@rizen | this is called "burst protection" | 00:16 |
elnino | kinda - the post on webgui's forum is I wanted to use webguis forum - that is separate. | 00:16 |
@rizen | and is meant to kill the slashdot effect | 00:16 |
elnino | has this 60 seconds always been that way? that would explain why this wasn't seen before. | 00:17 |
@rizen | it's been in there since 7.0 | 00:17 |
@rizen | 6.99.x actually | 00:17 |
@rizen | but it's only for visitors, not registered users | 00:17 |
elnino | ok. so if I wait 60 seconds, I should be ok. | 00:17 |
elnino | all my "registered users" are considered "visitors" by webgui. It actally works really well - untill I found out about this 60 second rule. | 00:18 |
GooeyOfSteel | Wiki: Customizing WRE Configuration - Created on 3/6/2008 4:07 pm by knowmad http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/customizing-wre-configuration | 00:18 |
elnino | so when do you obey the cache settings that I set on assets? - are they ignored because my users are "visitors" by webgui's standard? | 00:20 |
@rizen | well you can get around the burst protection by adding something to the url | 00:20 |
@rizen | like this | 00:20 |
@rizen | http://site.com/pageurl?nocache=1 | 00:21 |
@rizen | there is no "visitor cache" setting on page layouts | 00:21 |
@rizen | and burst protection is a function of a page layout | 00:21 |
CIA-52 | WebGUI: jt * r5733 /translations/French/French/AuthWebGUI.pm: update_from_translation_server | 00:21 |
@rizen | so if you sent them directly to a snippet or an sql report URL then you wouldn't have this problem | 00:22 |
elnino | rizen said "pages are always cached for 60 seconds for visitors" - how do you dtermine if a user is a visitor? because my page can only be viewed by one of my sql-based groups and the user will be part of that group, so is my user a "visitor" or a memeber of the specific group - and shouldnt that be enough for obeying the cache settings? | 00:22 |
elnino | your right, I'm specificaly talking about assets's cache settings. | 00:22 |
@preaction | if they're not logged in to webgui, they're a visitor | 00:23 |
elnino | even i fthey are part of the group? | 00:23 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 00:23 |
@rizen | your user is always a visitor if they have not logged in to webgui | 00:23 |
@preaction | if they have userId of "1", they're a visitor | 00:23 |
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elnino | AH!!! Thank you! my sql statement return 1 - I'll just return something else! | 00:24 |
@preaction | if your login script would use the WebGUI API to give the person a cookie with a webgui session, it would work seamlessly | 00:24 |
elnino | zoom - way over my head - is there anything written on you just said? I'm using a custom cookie, nothing special, I'd be happy to use what ever format you need to set up a webgui session. This other login page - however is on a MS machine - a thorn in my side if I must say. | 00:26 |
elnino | And I suppost then my forum will work too. | 00:26 |
elnino | =) | 00:26 |
@preaction | you'd make a WebGUI session with WebGUI::Session->new. and then send a cookie called wgSession with the WebGUI::Session->getId ( $session->getId ) | 00:26 |
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elnino | should I do this in my auth module? what do I do with all the groups my user may be a member of - I'm assuming that's part of the session? | 00:29 |
@preaction | it's part of the user. you'd need to create a webgui account for all your users | 00:30 |
elnino | I don't see any possible way of doing that. They are tightly tied into our CRM system. Is that what you'd require if one was using LDAP? I'll give it more thought. I suspect if my sql-based groups return something other than 1 this would work. fingers crossed. | 00:32 |
@preaction | LDAP would work easier probably, since LDAP gets periodically updated with new users | 00:33 |
elnino | I gues my question was, do you require all users from the LDAP system to be imported into webgui? | 00:33 |
elnino | maybe I can glean someting from the ldap auth mod. | 00:34 |
@preaction | there's a workflow activity that does it SyncProfilesToLDAP i think or FromLDAP or something | 00:36 |
@preaction | dunno really. the Administrator's Guide has a section about setting up LDAP | 00:36 |
elnino | hmm. So my plan was to create a user in webgui that is NOT part of any group. And modify my sql-based groups to return the id of this "dummy" user. | 00:40 |
elnino | so when a page check to see if the user is part of the group... this isn't going to work. it assumes the dummy user is logged in. | 00:40 |
elnino | hmm. not if I set the wgSession;s id to the dummy user. - because that's what determines who is logged in, right? | 00:42 |
elnino | but I still have to call WebGUI::Session->new somewhere, right? | 00:42 |
elnino | or is setting a properly structured cookie good enough? | 00:43 |
CIA-52 | WebGUI: jt * r5734 /branch/WebGUI_Commerce/ (5 files in 5 dirs): we now have shop settings admin screen | 00:46 |
CIA-52 | WebGUI: colin * r5735 /branch/WebGUI_Commerce/ (11 files in 4 dirs): | 00:46 |
CIA-52 | WebGUI: Change the Shop::Tax system to be hierarchial. | 00:46 |
CIA-52 | WebGUI: Update all sample tax tables and tests. | 00:46 |
@rizen | wow pd, are you already done with that change? | 00:46 |
+perlDreamer | yeah | 00:46 |
+perlDreamer | it took all day | 00:47 |
+perlDreamer | but only because I was sick | 00:47 |
+perlDreamer | oh, and it doesn't do the abbreviated, not abbreviated yet | 00:47 |
+perlDreamer | but we can add that in | 00:47 |
@rizen | yeah, it will definitely need that | 00:48 |
@rizen | when you do that, make sure it will do an unlimited number of ors | 00:48 |
@rizen | Wisconsin|WI|Wis | 00:48 |
+perlDreamer | okay | 00:49 |
+perlDreamer | and the comparison is done lower case | 00:49 |
@rizen | yup | 00:49 |
+perlDreamer | should the comparison be done in SQL? | 00:49 |
@rizen | up to you | 00:50 |
@rizen | whatever works fastest | 00:50 |
+perlDreamer | I'll try SQL first | 00:50 |
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elnino | I need to logoff from here. I'll mostlikey have questions that I'll ask from my other account. | 00:51 |
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+perlDreamer | I think I can do this | 00:58 |
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+perlDreamer | store alternations in the db | 01:10 |
+perlDreamer | prepend ^ and $ to them in the query | 01:10 |
+perlDreamer | then use them as the regexp for a "constant" of user data | 01:10 |
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+perlDreamer | I found out what happened to MrHairgrease today: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080306/ap_on_fe_st/odd_stiletto_run;_ylt=AhAiQISri8KMAbexsTzUA2.s0NUE | 01:27 |
Sunmaster_14_ | I have an http proxy asset that uses url rewriting so that I can navigate around the site I'm proxying without leaving the asset. Does anybody know if it's possible to set some links to go to external sites, i.e. leave webgui, and circumvent the rewrite? | 01:39 |
Sunmaster_14_ | like would an <a href="..." target="..."> do it? | 01:39 |
Sunmaster_14_ | Currently I'm using javascript to just change the location of the window, but I'd rather do something that doesn't require users have js. | 01:40 |
+perlDreamer | Sunmaster_14_: I'm pretty sure that's been discussed on the forums. Try a search there. | 01:41 |
Sunmaster_14_ | ok | 01:42 |
@preaction | i believe i mentioned before that there's a field for regular expressions to match that will bypass rewriting | 01:45 |
@preaction | it's in the code at least, if for some reason it's not in the edit form | 01:46 |
@preaction | it's on the display tab | 01:46 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: I had a chance to optimize one of the sql queries for the Tax system | 01:51 |
+perlDreamer | check out 5736 | 01:51 |
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CIA-52 | WebGUI: colin * r5736 /branch/WebGUI_Commerce/ (lib/WebGUI/Shop/Tax.pm t/Shop/Tax.t): optimize the SQL query for getting tax rates | 02:04 |
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elnino_laptop | perlDreamer: after thinking about my situatin some more, I have one more issue that I need your opinoin on. | 03:04 |
+perlDreamer | sure | 03:04 |
+perlDreamer | but I'm biased | 03:04 |
elnino_laptop | I know... =) | 03:04 |
+perlDreamer | lay it on me | 03:05 |
elnino_laptop | If I import my users from our CRM package, I some how need to keep them synced. | 03:05 |
+perlDreamer | Yes. That can be done with a workflow, just like for LDAP | 03:05 |
elnino_laptop | what do I tie them to? | 03:05 |
+perlDreamer | usernames have to be unique in the database | 03:05 |
elnino_laptop | there are iDs in our CRM package, can I import those ids as the webgui user id? | 03:06 |
+perlDreamer | so username(CRM) => username(wg) | 03:06 |
+perlDreamer | you could, but they would need to be webgui-like | 03:06 |
+perlDreamer | 22 characters, a modified base64 MD5 hash | 03:06 |
+perlDreamer | check out Session::Id.pm | 03:06 |
elnino_laptop | yes they do.but i our case, the email address is the username. and saes reps and or the customer themselves can change that at anytime, thuse the link is broken and I can no longer sync | 03:07 |
elnino_laptop | our crm package uses sequenctal numbers for ids. | 03:07 |
+perlDreamer | smaller than 22 characters, and all greater than 20? | 03:08 |
elnino_laptop | I suppose there may be some other fields in webgui I can shove the CRM's ids into? | 03:08 |
+perlDreamer | userProfile fields | 03:08 |
+perlDreamer | that would work very well | 03:09 |
+perlDreamer | and I think it's been done before | 03:09 |
elnino_laptop | k. I'm thinking customization stil needs to be done on the CRM side. as users can be merged and the ids can change. and the other issue is when the user is created in the CRM system, I have to create the record in webgui - but that sounds like I can do that intheworkflow | 03:10 |
elnino_laptop | the other "quicker" fix, I"m considering is | 03:10 |
elnino_laptop | while looking at the layout.pm, and see where the 60 second burst is implemented. I can put in a check there to see if the "visiter" belongs to one of my sql-based groups and by-pass that for now. | 03:11 |
elnino_laptop | but you probabay don't like that idea and are probably cringing. | 03:11 |
+perlDreamer | yeah, I like vanilla webgui with plugins | 03:12 |
+perlDreamer | I maintained customized wG code for a while, and I have more fun things that I like to do. | 03:12 |
+perlDreamer | But you need to make the best decision for your needs. | 03:12 |
elnino_laptop | =) | 03:12 |
+perlDreamer | I think that full wG integration will bring further benefits later | 03:12 |
+perlDreamer | such as allowing them to actually edit parts of the website | 03:12 |
+perlDreamer | participate in forums with real names, and so on | 03:13 |
elnino_laptop | oh I need to do that eventually if the forum and wiki is going to work. yep. | 03:13 |
+perlDreamer | so I favor large work soon, unless you're blocking on something important time-wise | 03:13 |
+perlDreamer | and what kind of setup is this for, anyway? | 03:13 |
elnino_laptop | the problem is the guy who would do the crm changes left, and we have noone to do it? | 03:13 |
+perlDreamer | yeah, so storing the CRM ID in wG would be best | 03:14 |
elnino_laptop | we have two websites, that share "priviledged" content. we have a site that builds custom software- on the fly on one site, and the documentation on webgui. (so that I don't have to update content anymore) | 03:15 |
+perlDreamer | sounds cool | 03:16 |
elnino_laptop | so a user will login and can access our documentation and support, and go to the other site and order/build custom software and then they get emailed the software, and get billed. | 03:16 |
+perlDreamer | so the CRM does the order/build work? | 03:16 |
elnino_laptop | It is. I've been wanting to port the builder to java, but I have some dll sitting on that MS server, that we don't ahve to source code for, so I'm a bit out of luck on that... it has to stay on MS. | 03:17 |
+perlDreamer | (biasing again) what about moving the build over to wG? | 03:17 |
+perlDreamer | run the whole thing on MS on the WRE | 03:17 |
elnino_laptop | no, the CRM hoses the users and their privildeges which the sales reps control, and the software builder pulls the privs from there. | 03:17 |
+perlDreamer | I see | 03:18 |
elnino_laptop | you mean moving webgui to MS?? I've had nothign but trouble with failing MS servers. | 03:18 |
+perlDreamer | I was thinking that if you were stuck with building on MS it might be simpler. | 03:19 |
+perlDreamer | I prefer Linux myself | 03:19 |
elnino_laptop | it is cool. when it works =)wich is most of the time. it was a bugger to get webgui and the buider site to play as nicely as they do. | 03:19 |
elnino_laptop | well, I think for now, I'm goint to modiy the layout. I don't plan to do any upgrades for a while, that will buy us tim eto find a replacement progrmmer to modify the CRM system to keep the two synced. Im gong to have to store the wg's id inthe CRM system so that when sales reps delete or merge susers, the sync doesnt break. | 03:21 |
elnino_laptop | that should work. I'll find out tonight. | 03:21 |
elnino_laptop | does the user import tool allow for mulitple group memberships? | 03:21 |
+perlDreamer | I don't think you have to modify the CRM to merge info from there into wG. | 03:22 |
+Radix-wrk | couldn't you use sql group lookups? | 03:22 |
+perlDreamer | he does, but he needs actual users, too | 03:23 |
+perlDreamer | elnino_laptop: perl userImport.pl --help will give you all the info on importing users | 03:23 |
+perlDreamer | I think it will allow multiple groups on import | 03:23 |
elnino_laptop | k. Thanks for listening!! and for your input/opinion. sometimes it's nice to talk outloud. Are you around some more or leaving soon, I think it's been a long day for you already. | 03:24 |
+perlDreamer | having dinner soon, but I'll be around | 03:24 |
+Radix-wrk | I wrote my own userimport script that adds a user via a url | 03:25 |
+Radix-wrk | and handle group memberships through sql lookups | 03:25 |
elnino_laptop | I saw something like that. I was trying to figure out how that might work in my case. So I can have a list of users, and in webgui , they dont' belong to any group, but I can use sqllookups on my groups, and return what? That assmes that the webgui userid is stored in the db that the group is querying, right? | 03:27 |
+perlDreamer | no | 03:27 |
+perlDreamer | you can use foreign fields | 03:27 |
+perlDreamer | or anything else | 03:27 |
+perlDreamer | you could check them out remotely and see if they have bought purple umbrellas | 03:28 |
elnino_laptop | my understanding is that the sql-based usergroups, must return the userid to authenticate that user. So, yes the query can query for any criteria, but it still has to return a userid. Did I miss something? | 03:28 |
+Radix-wrk | we have an intermediary sql table with users and group permissions - if it's 1 in the group field then they have access, 0 and they don't | 03:28 |
+perlDreamer | elnino_laptop: I should go check. | 03:29 |
+Radix-wrk | I just have a simple query: 'SELECT userId FROM users WHERE XXX = 1' | 03:30 |
+Radix-wrk | where XXX is the group name I want | 03:30 |
elnino_laptop | so you are returning the webgui's userid/ | 03:32 |
+perlDreamer | that's right. SQL queries have to return wG userIds | 03:32 |
+Radix-wrk | yeah | 03:32 |
+perlDreamer | it used to be that you'd return 1, but that was a long time ago | 03:32 |
elnino_laptop | I dont' have that intermediary table yet. That's what I still need to create in the CRM system | 03:32 |
elnino_laptop | THanks for checking perlDreamer - that's what I thought. So I'm still doing what I was planning. | 03:33 |
+Radix-wrk | my intermediary table is just a mix of data from the two databases - other database id, login name, webgui userid, and then a heap of groupnames with 0 or 1 indicating membership | 03:33 |
elnino_laptop | Radix - not quite sure how to add user by url will help, but I'll keep thinking about it. | 03:33 |
elnino_laptop | Radix - yep, I don't one of those yet. that's part o fmy plan =) | 03:34 |
+Radix-wrk | I've started work on a synchronisation workflow between the two databases too - so that data can be changed in either database (like company name, contact email address, etc) and it will update accordingly in the other | 03:35 |
+Radix-wrk | it's mostly done.. just needs to be implemented here really - but has been put on the back burner for now | 03:36 |
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+Radix-wrk | We've got a peculiar problem in that our other database cant talk to webgui.. nor can webgui talk to it. It can write out data to sql - so we're using that as a communication method - but it doesn't have a scheduler or timed actions, so everything must be triggered manually. | 03:38 |
elnino_laptop | that would be cool to have. is that something that is going to be in the contributions, or integreated into future versions? or neither? | 03:39 |
+Radix-wrk | I can send you a copy if you like - it's pretty hackish, but works around our issues | 03:40 |
elnino_laptop | That would be awesome if you could, I was kinda wondering how to do a workflow for something else, so that would be handy for two things. | 03:42 |
elnino_laptop | you can send it to webmaster@comtrol.com | 03:43 |
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elnino_laptop | any one know off hand what keystoke to use in vi to check paranthesis? - totally not a wg question. My appologies | 03:58 |
+Radix-wrk | ctrl } I thought | 03:58 |
+perlDreamer | % bounces between pairs of parens | 03:59 |
+Radix-wrk | maybe not | 03:59 |
elnino_laptop | thanks! | 03:59 |
+Radix-wrk | cool | 03:59 |
+perlDreamer | is it set showMatch to do that as you're typing? | 03:59 |
+Radix-wrk | elnino - sent you that workflow | 03:59 |
+Radix-wrk | make sure you regard it as a very early beta with no guarantees it'll even work, k :) | 04:00 |
+Radix-wrk | So far all I've done is use it in testing.. not implemented it | 04:00 |
+Radix-wrk | but might help you get the basics of a workflow, and the logic is clearly explained | 04:01 |
elnino_laptop | perlDreamer, yep, but it doesn't work when you paste. | 04:01 |
elnino_laptop | thanks radix - I won't blame you for any mishaps. | 04:01 |
+Radix-wrk | lemme know how you go :) | 04:01 |
+perlDreamer | I also like :!perl -wc % -I /data/WebGUI/lib | 04:02 |
+perlDreamer | for syntax checking perl code | 04:02 |
elnino_laptop | mmm good tip. Thanks | 04:07 |
+perlDreamer | for checking test code, you need an extra -I | 04:13 |
+perlDreamer | :!perl -wc % -I /data/WebGUI/lib -I /data/WebGUI/t/lib | 04:13 |
+perlDreamer | and for WRE code it would need a 3rd one, but I don't know the WRE path structure | 04:13 |
@preaction | those sound like good candiates for macros | 04:14 |
+perlDreamer | sounds like good fodder for my WUC talk | 04:17 |
+perlDreamer | after I finish these next tests, I'd love some feedback about the alternation system I build into the Shop::Tax. | 04:18 |
+perlDreamer | willing to review a patch? | 04:18 |
@preaction | sure | 04:19 |
elnino_laptop | so.. perlDreamer. If I was able to manage to create webgui session and create a cookie to store that sessionID from my MS machine, that wouldn't solve my problem unless i actually had a user tied to that session right? | 04:21 |
@preaction | right | 04:21 |
elnino_laptop | and taht user can be a dummy user, right? and still use my sql-based groups. | 04:23 |
@preaction | sure, but then all things will appear to be from that dummy user | 04:24 |
elnino_laptop | I'm likeing that idea better than changing your source. | 04:24 |
elnino_laptop | I'm going to see I can do that. | 04:25 |
+perlDreamer | okay, the goal is to allow people to be able to type in USA, or U.S.A, or other alternate names for a country, state or city | 04:27 |
+perlDreamer | svn rev 5737 | 04:27 |
@preaction | k | 04:28 |
+perlDreamer | https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/revision/?rev=5737 | 04:30 |
@preaction | can we use JSON or some other serialization language? | 04:30 |
+perlDreamer | vs CSV? Why? | 04:31 |
+perlDreamer | it's just tabular data | 04:31 |
@preaction | barring that, methods to pack / unpack that data then? so that if we find we need something more than just arrays of arrays we can use it? | 04:33 |
+perlDreamer | importTaxData and exportTaxData | 04:33 |
@preaction | USA?|U.S.(A.)?|United States( of America)?| <- i forsee regular expressions in your future | 04:34 |
+perlDreamer | nope, alternations | 04:34 |
+perlDreamer | | is translated to , in the import method | 04:34 |
+perlDreamer | so that I can use find_in_set to check for membership | 04:34 |
+perlDreamer | Just list them all explicitly | 04:34 |
+perlDreamer | I don't foresee most users knowing regular expressions | 04:35 |
@preaction | of course not, but is it 1:1 or can it be 1:many? | 04:35 |
+perlDreamer | 1:1 | 04:35 |
+perlDreamer | any in the set | 04:35 |
@preaction | so if the user says "USA" or "U.S.A" and also says "CA" or "California", the tax rate is 7.25% | 04:36 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 04:37 |
+perlDreamer | well, 7.25 + 0, technically | 04:37 |
+perlDreamer | since USA is defined as 0 | 04:37 |
+perlDreamer | in that test set | 04:37 |
@preaction | but if the user says "U.S.A", that still means they, in the end, typed "USA", right? | 04:38 |
@preaction | are you using this to parse / normalize user input? | 04:38 |
+perlDreamer | compare user input | 04:38 |
+perlDreamer | user enters in an address | 04:39 |
+perlDreamer | use the address to calculate sales tax rates | 04:39 |
+perlDreamer | from multiple sources | 04:39 |
@preaction | so they just type it out and you compare it to what you know | 04:39 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 04:39 |
+perlDreamer | and U.S.A would not match any entry in the system | 04:39 |
+perlDreamer | unless it was entered in that way | 04:39 |
@preaction | so in the end you need to be able to map X number of possibilities to one entry: USA | 04:39 |
+perlDreamer | ...yes... | 04:40 |
@preaction | i gotta go downstairs to show the house to the renter | 04:40 |
+perlDreamer | where the second entry is also user data | 04:40 |
@preaction | would that not be better off as a hash of arrays? someone enters that "THIS" is an alternative way of saying USA, and in all other places in the tax setup, only USA is used | 04:40 |
@preaction | so just one place it is defined that USA can also be "U.S." or "U.S.A" or "US" or "United States" | 04:41 |
@preaction | or maybe you already are doing that and i'm only seeing part of the picture | 04:41 |
+perlDreamer | there's no way to make it scale easily, across states, cities and countries | 04:42 |
@preaction | no, unfortunately. unless it's a db lookup map sort of thing | 04:42 |
+perlDreamer | right | 04:42 |
@preaction | a mysql table "id" => "value", then lookup by value | 04:42 |
@preaction | but still kinda ugly | 04:42 |
+perlDreamer | and it's a huge db that's constantly changing | 04:42 |
+perlDreamer | need to do itinerary review, bbiaw | 04:43 |
@preaction | k, i gotta go do some stuff too | 04:43 |
CIA-52 | WebGUI: colin * r5737 /branch/WebGUI_Commerce/ (4 files in 3 dirs): | 04:46 |
CIA-52 | WebGUI: Allow alternations in the tax data, so that it is case insensitive | 04:46 |
CIA-52 | WebGUI: and allows multiple definitions of an entry (like state, city or country) | 04:46 |
+perlDreamer | are you renting out part of your house? | 04:48 |
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+perlDreamer | rizen: the alternations code is https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/revision/?rev=5737 | 04:57 |
+perlDreamer | is you'd like to review it | 04:57 |
elnino_laptop | do wgsessions time out after a while? | 04:59 |
+perlDreamer | yes, it's specified in the settings as to how long that is | 05:00 |
@rizen | i trust that it works, unless you're saying that you want me to review it | 05:00 |
elnino_laptop | thanks pd | 05:00 |
+perlDreamer | yes it works, but it doesn't do regular expressions. It lets the user define a list of alternates for country, city, state or code and does a case insensitive check | 05:00 |
CIA-52 | WebGUI: colin * r5738 /branch/WebGUI_Commerce/lib/WebGUI/Shop/Tax.pm: find_in_set seems to be case insensitive, natively. | 05:04 |
CIA-52 | WebGUI: colin * r5739 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Group.pm: more POD for Group.pm | 05:04 |
@preaction | perlDreamer, i have a duplex, so i've been trying to get a tenant downstairs for a few months now | 05:07 |
@preaction | $350 for an ad in the local paper, or $70 on apartments.com, which reminds me that i forgot to ask the girl where she heard of it | 05:07 |
+perlDreamer | rizen: you're awfully quiet. Are you deciding whether to just kill me, or savagely maim me? | 05:08 |
@rizen | did you build the ui for it yet, or just the backend? | 05:08 |
@rizen | btw, i love all these csv files | 05:08 |
+perlDreamer | no UI yet. APIs first | 05:09 |
elnino_laptop | so. I'm logged in as admin, and trying to run a macro to start a new session. I suppose I have to logout for the macro to work. | 05:09 |
@rizen | badTaxTable.csv | 05:09 |
@preaction | not sure that macros will work that way | 05:09 |
@rizen | =) | 05:09 |
+perlDreamer | yeah, I'm lacking inspiration | 05:09 |
@rizen | no ui i see | 05:09 |
+perlDreamer | time for kids, back in 30. | 05:10 |
@preaction | oh, now i see how it all works | 05:12 |
@rizen | did you not see all the things i just posed | 05:12 |
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@rizen | posted | 05:13 |
+perlDreamer | to which "you" art thou referring, rizen? | 05:22 |
@rizen | what do you see preaction? | 05:23 |
@preaction | was just wondering how the data is stored | 05:23 |
@preaction | will there be one row for each member of an alternation? | 05:24 |
@rizen | no longer relevant | 05:24 |
+perlDreamer | multiple alternations are possible for location info for each row | 05:24 |
@preaction | so the row contains packed data? or is it normalized somehow? | 05:25 |
+perlDreamer | the row contians a bunch of text in column | 05:26 |
+perlDreamer | most columns may contain a CSV style list of possible entries that is flat text | 05:26 |
+perlDreamer | it's really just plain text | 05:27 |
@preaction | and that's what the find_in_set handles? | 05:28 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 05:28 |
@preaction | i see | 05:28 |
@preaction | that should work, no objections from me | 05:29 |
@rizen | i object just because preaction didn't | 05:37 |
@preaction | normalize your data you wanker! | 05:37 |
+perlDreamer | objection noted | 05:37 |
+perlDreamer | and what does "normalize" mean? | 05:37 |
+perlDreamer | you object to the multiple USA's in there? | 05:38 |
@preaction | it means basically no packing / serializing data in the database. it means a lot of joining tables | 05:38 |
@preaction | i was voicing JT's objections | 05:38 |
+perlDreamer | that wasn't JT's objection, because he said it needed to be done that way this morning | 05:39 |
@preaction | i imagine it may, in the end, come down to normalizing those data, but i don't see any reason for it right now and as long as the API can remain constant if it needs to be normalized we're golden | 05:40 |
@rizen | it won't come down to normalizing it ever | 05:48 |
+perlDreamer | I'll go back to working on the UI for Tax | 05:50 |
+perlDreamer | rizen, so Shop www_ methods are object methods, and not class methods like Operations? | 05:51 |
+perlDreamer | interesting | 05:51 |
@rizen | the reason i can say that with confidence is because eventually the tax system will need to be made pluggable just like shipping and payment methods | 05:52 |
@rizen | but for now, the tax system pd has created is 10x more flexible and powerful than the one we had | 05:57 |
+perlDreamer | it would help if I'd read the designdocs more carefully, though. | 05:57 |
+perlDreamer | You said tab delimited, not CSV | 05:57 |
@rizen | and will cover 90% of user's needs | 05:57 |
@rizen | depends on the module | 05:59 |
@rizen | for Shipping they are class methods | 06:01 |
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@rizen | for tax, cart they are object methods | 06:04 |
@preaction | did you guys want me to add Commerce to the nightly test box? | 06:06 |
+perlDreamer | sure! | 06:06 |
@rizen | and btw...operations aren't methods at all, they're procedural | 06:06 |
+perlDreamer | I stand corrected | 06:08 |
@rizen | shipping is a class method because shipping has no construcor | 06:10 |
@rizen | cus new() creates a driver | 06:12 |
elnino_laptop | is there any way to cycle the webgui logs? Mine gets really big ... | 06:12 |
+perlDreamer | shutdown webgui, echo '' > /var/log/webgui.log; restart webgui | 06:13 |
@rizen | not a WebGUI::Shop::Ship | 06:13 |
+Radix-wrk | elnino_laptop: no reason you couldn't use logrotate on them I'm sure | 06:13 |
elnino_laptop | ok. Thanks | 06:14 |
@rizen | i'll be checking it in in a few seconds so you can see what i mean | 06:15 |
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@rizen | but the reason i decided to go with a content handler for the commerce stuff was so we could use method calls rather than proceedures | 06:22 |
@rizen | it gives us a bit more power | 06:24 |
@rizen | csv is fine | 06:24 |
@rizen | i don't really car | 06:25 |
+perlDreamer | Okay, I just don't want you to think I'm blowing off your initial design decisions. | 06:25 |
@rizen | care | 06:25 |
@rizen | i like tabs because there is more often commas in data | 06:29 |
@rizen | now if i was as big of a dick as everyone seems to think i am, i'd chew your ass out | 06:33 |
@rizen | ok, just checked in the start of the shipping management interface | 06:37 |
elnino_laptop | how do I find out if webgui.auth change since 7.2.1? | 06:38 |
@preaction | there may be bugfixes, but the API doesn't change | 06:40 |
@rizen | which includes the hand of www_do method so that the ship manager can hand off www_ requests to ship drivers | 06:42 |
elnino_laptop | I referted all my changes to what I was working on. One of my sales reps were complaining that webgui was crashing their browser. Once did it just "hang" for me, so I thought it was a fluke. Now that i've been playing with it, only some of my pages come up blank. Like source code is html, head, body, end body, end html | 06:42 |
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elnino_laptop | and it's doing this on only some pages. so I thought maybe it was my auth module, and noticed it was old (I copied it from 7.2.1 and made it redirect to my custom login page. That's the only difference. | 06:43 |
@rizen | the payment manager will have the same thing | 06:43 |
elnino_laptop | my laptop seems to render the apges fine, but It's vista and IE 7, I'm having the "blank" problems on 2000/IE6 | 06:44 |
elnino_laptop | I know this all sounds weird, and you probably think I'm crazy and perhaps I am. but I have NO idea what to look for. | 06:44 |
@rizen | or if you're using the WRE they'll get rotated automatically | 06:44 |
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elnino_laptop | or why I'm possibly getting "blank" pages. | 06:45 |
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@rizen | methinks it's time to quit for the night | 06:45 |
elnino_laptop | is thhis where I say, it's on our production server? | 06:47 |
@preaction | elnino_laptop, that source code usually shows up when nothing was sent back from the site | 06:47 |
@preaction | i have no idea where you should start | 06:47 |
@rizen | get a fresh start tomorrow and get the shipping admin interface wrapped up | 06:47 |
@preaction | if it's a production server, i would probably suggest perhaps some sort of support contract so this won't happen in the future maybe? | 06:47 |
@rizen | i'm really pleased with how this is coming together | 06:49 |
elnino_laptop | this all happened befreo I started anything. I promise. I just thought the sales rep was crazy so I ignored him. It's client specific. | 06:49 |
@rizen | i don't know why i'm downloading it but i'm getting the iphone sdk | 06:50 |
+perlDreamer | why not? | 06:51 |
+perlDreamer | Everyone needs a hobby. | 06:51 |
elnino_laptop | preactioin: That's what I figured, why would something not be sent back from the site. That's why I thought maybe it was my auth module. | 06:51 |
+perlDreamer | Some people play video games, watch movies, or make games. | 06:51 |
elnino_laptop | I play french horn. | 06:52 |
@rizen | i have aspirations that i'll make some cool iphone/webgui interconnected thing, but i don't know what yet | 06:52 |
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CIA-52 | WebGUI: jt * r5746 /translations/French/French/Macro_LoginToggle.pm: update_from_translation_server | 14:40 |
knowmad | has anyone here added workflow to webgui? | 14:56 |
knowmad | and i don't mean the automated scripts, i'm talking about people processes | 14:57 |
+MrHairgrease | you mean things like multi layered aproval? | 14:58 |
+MrHairgrease | haven't done that yet | 14:58 |
knowmad | yes that kind of thing along with people able to track tasks and responsibilities associated with completing a project | 14:59 |
knowmad | have you ever looked at the Workflow modul on CPAN? | 14:59 |
knowmad | /perlbot | 14:59 |
knowmad | how does one use the perlbot? i thought i saw it return a link to a CPAN module once | 15:00 |
knowmad | in the meantime, here's the link http://search.cpan.org/~jonasbn/Workflow-0.31/ | 15:00 |
ckotil | knowmad: i do that. i created an approval process for some reports we insert into webgui w/ a versoin tag | 15:21 |
+MrHairgrease | perlbot help | 15:22 |
perlbot | (fact) : tell (who) about (what) : (what) > (who) : learn (what) as (info) : relearn (fact) as (info) : phone (phone #) : shorten (url) : shorten it : search (keyword) : cpan (module) : docs (module) : perldoc -f (function) : jargon (term) : math (expr): fortune : flip : host (type) (record) : rot13 (text) : roll (die) : tempconv (temp) : scramble (foo) : 8ball (question) : slap (who) : diss (who) : top/bottom (number) karma : geoip (ip) | 15:22 |
+MrHairgrease | perlbot cpan Workflow | 15:22 |
perlbot | Documentation for 'Workflow' can be found here: http://xrl.us/bhay2 | 15:22 |
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knowmad | sweet! thanks guys | 15:25 |
knowmad | ckotil: so you are using version tags for process approval? what if the process is 20 steps? | 15:26 |
ckotil | yes. thats fine. | 15:26 |
ckotil | workflow activities can have a waiting state. | 15:26 |
ckotil | my approval workflow(s) have about 5 or 6 steps. | 15:27 |
knowmad | but how is that connected to version control? | 15:27 |
knowmad | VC seems so wrong to me for managing tasks associated with a project | 15:28 |
ckotil | the report becomes an asset in webgui, and gets its own version tag | 15:28 |
ckotil | the version tag has a workflow associated with it | 15:28 |
ckotil | In this case, its my approval workflow w/ custom activities which ask a certain group of my users to review and approve the report. | 15:28 |
knowmad | oh, so you're process is built around a report | 15:29 |
knowmad | hmmm, we have a few docs associate with the process i'm trying to map | 15:29 |
knowmad | do wG workflows handle conditionals and branching? | 15:29 |
ckotil | yes, but we create the report outside of webgui based on our ticketing system, and then a cgi script feeds the report to webgui | 15:29 |
knowmad | what ticketing solution are you using? | 15:29 |
ckotil | conditionals yes. not sure what you mean by branching. | 15:30 |
ckotil | footprints. | 15:30 |
knowmad | not heard of that one | 15:30 |
ckotil | its not too popular. | 15:30 |
knowmad | i mean that if an approval gets denied at step 2, the workflow branches back to step 1 instead of moving forward to step 3 | 15:30 |
ckotil | we bought it years ago when it was just startup then Numera bought them out and now doesnt do much with it. | 15:30 |
+MrHairgrease | knowmad: versioning and workflow are two seperate systems | 15:30 |
+MrHairgrease | if someone changes content that need to go through an approval workflow a new version is created for that content and its asset is locked | 15:31 |
knowmad | yes, i'm beginning to wonder if i can glom onto webgui's workflow instead of add another module into the system; i just need to determine if it can support my needs | 15:31 |
ckotil | ah. if a versoin tag/report is denied, then the version tag gets opened back up and a new report is attached to it, replacing the original report | 15:31 |
+MrHairgrease | knowmad: it probably does | 15:31 |
ckotil | yeah its very flexible | 15:32 |
+MrHairgrease | ckotil: correct | 15:32 |
+MrHairgrease | it deletes teh versiontag | 15:32 |
+MrHairgrease | which contains that version | 15:32 |
ckotil | you can do both. delete the tag, or open it back up | 15:32 |
+MrHairgrease | this automatically rolls the non comitted versionback | 15:32 |
knowmad | ok, i see; i haven't done much with version approvals yet | 15:32 |
+MrHairgrease | true | 15:32 |
+MrHairgrease | anyways | 15:33 |
+MrHairgrease | the workflow system has in itself othing todo with versioning | 15:33 |
+MrHairgrease | knowmad: if the current system doesn't do what you want, you could write an activity that does | 15:33 |
ckotil | so there 3 types of workflow too. | 15:33 |
knowmad | basically what i need to build is a user-friendly interface for building workflows and a way to check status on them | 15:33 |
+MrHairgrease | the workflow system is pretty generic | 15:33 |
+MrHairgrease | ah | 15:34 |
+MrHairgrease | i see | 15:34 |
ckotil | err.3 types of workflow activities | 15:34 |
knowmad | this client will be running say 60-80 projects at any given time | 15:34 |
+MrHairgrease | i know jt had plans for making everything more visble and user freindly | 15:35 |
knowmad | i'm thinking this would mean that there are 60-80 runnings activities that spectre is watching and that i should be able to get the status of any of them | 15:35 |
+MrHairgrease | but you have to ask him about that | 15:35 |
knowmad | yeah, it looks like i'll be doing that | 15:35 |
+MrHairgrease | and i think that is shelved for noe | 15:35 |
knowmad | so a workflow has states right? | 15:35 |
+MrHairgrease | anyway, whether you go one way or the other | 15:35 |
ckotil | yes. | 15:35 |
+MrHairgrease | you still have to build stsus pages and stuff | 15:35 |
knowmad | can a state have custom fields? | 15:36 |
knowmad | i've really got to dig into the POD | 15:36 |
+MrHairgrease | using webgui's system just saves you a whole lot of work in implementing teh workflow | 15:36 |
+MrHairgrease | what do you mean with custom fiedl? | 15:36 |
knowmad | say i have a workflow with 20 states | 15:36 |
+MrHairgrease | no | 15:36 |
knowmad | maybe 10 of those are performed by user a and 10 by user b | 15:36 |
+MrHairgrease | states are the state of the activity | 15:37 |
knowmad | so i'd have 20 activities inside the workflow | 15:37 |
+MrHairgrease | you prolly mean if activities can store their own properties right? | 15:37 |
knowmad | here's where the terminology gets whacky to me | 15:37 |
knowmad | a workflow is a collection of activities but the activities are perl scripts called workflows (or are in the Workflow folder) | 15:37 |
+MrHairgrease | the state of an activity tell spectre what to do next | 15:38 |
knowmad | s/folder/namespace/ | 15:38 |
+MrHairgrease | no | 15:38 |
knowmad | so an activity can have custom fields and we could assign a user id to the custom field | 15:38 |
+MrHairgrease | activities are in webgui::workflow::activity | 15:38 |
knowmad | oh | 15:38 |
+MrHairgrease | yeah | 15:38 |
+MrHairgrease | but | 15:38 |
+MrHairgrease | only if the activity type is WebGUI::User | 15:39 |
+MrHairgrease | activities are being passed an object | 15:39 |
+MrHairgrease | which defines their type | 15:39 |
knowmad | yeah, that never made much sense to me | 15:39 |
+MrHairgrease | anyway, check out the WebGUI/Workflow/Activity directory | 15:39 |
+MrHairgrease | an the acivities in ther | 15:39 |
+MrHairgrease | e | 15:39 |
knowmad | yes, i see now | 15:39 |
+MrHairgrease | i wrote a bunch of activities to do all kinds of stuff | 15:40 |
knowmad | so if the activity type is WebGUI::User then I can assign an owner to the activity? | 15:40 |
knowmad | yeah, i can see that | 15:40 |
+MrHairgrease | no | 15:40 |
+MrHairgrease | i'm not sure if yo can do that | 15:40 |
knowmad | i think we need to do an Acme talk on Workflow this year at the WUC | 15:40 |
+MrHairgrease | it's the object that is passed to the activity | 15:40 |
knowmad | oh, so i'd still need a custom field | 15:40 |
+MrHairgrease | acme on workflow? | 15:41 |
knowmad | really all i need to do is track who is assigned to do the task | 15:41 |
+MrHairgrease | that talk will take some time to demonstrate | 15:41 |
+MrHairgrease | you can have as much custom fields as you like | 15:41 |
knowmad | there's probably some crazy stuff you could do with workflows | 15:41 |
+MrHairgrease | their in the definition method | 15:41 |
knowmad | and i'm sure you have some you've already done ;) | 15:41 |
+MrHairgrease | nah | 15:42 |
+MrHairgrease | i just let em pay my beer tab | 15:42 |
+MrHairgrease | =) | 15:42 |
knowmad | see, there's #1 | 15:42 |
knowmad | #2 is to get them to clean up the house | 15:42 |
+MrHairgrease | oeh | 15:42 |
+MrHairgrease | that is a good one | 15:43 |
knowmad | LOL | 15:43 |
knowmad | these little guys are going to be very useful | 15:43 |
knowmad | ok, thanks for the chat | 15:43 |
knowmad | back to the email grindstone | 15:44 |
+MrHairgrease | ok | 15:44 |
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SDuensin | Morning. | 15:53 |
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estiven | Morning | 16:04 |
estiven | Buenos días.. | 16:04 |
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lisette | hello | 17:48 |
CIA-52 | WebGUI: jt * r5748 /translations/French/French/WebGUI.pm: update_from_translation_server | 17:48 |
lisette | i have a dblink | 17:48 |
lisette | and i do a select and i need obtain the first result, how to do? | 17:48 |
+MrHairgrease | use an sql report | 17:51 |
lisette | no, i need this in a macro | 17:51 |
lisette | my $rs = WebGUI::SQL::ResultSet->prepare($query, $dbh); | 17:52 |
lisette | $rs->execute([parameter]); | 17:52 |
+MrHairgrease | @result = $dbLink->buildArray('select a, b, c from xyz where foo=?', ['bar']); | 17:52 |
+MrHairgrease | don't use resultset directly | 17:53 |
+MrHairgrease | you don't need too. | 17:53 |
lisette | YYthen it continues? | 17:53 |
lisette | ok, thanks | 17:53 |
+MrHairgrease | what do you mean with then it continues? | 17:53 |
lisette | i don't see you preview messagge | 17:53 |
+MrHairgrease | ok | 17:54 |
+MrHairgrease | actuall $session->db is a dblink too | 17:54 |
+MrHairgrease | to the webgui database | 17:54 |
+MrHairgrease | so every method you can call on session->db you can call on any dblink | 17:54 |
lisette | ok | 17:59 |
lisette | how to access of the first element $result[0] ? | 17:59 |
lisette | or 1 | 17:59 |
+MrHairgrease | what do you mean with the first result? | 18:00 |
lisette | yes | 18:00 |
+MrHairgrease | the first row? | 18:00 |
lisette | yes | 18:00 |
+MrHairgrease | the line i pasted returns an array containg the columns you selected. | 18:01 |
+MrHairgrease | so that method only returns one row | 18:01 |
+MrHairgrease | if you need only one column from one row you'd best use quickScalar | 18:02 |
lisette | Then you already got the first result? | 18:02 |
+MrHairgrease | the method i posted returns the first row returned by your query | 18:03 |
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lisette | thanks | 18:05 |
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@rizen | MrHairgrease what's your progress with payment stuff? | 18:17 |
@rizen | it ok if it's not anything | 18:17 |
@rizen | just checking in | 18:17 |
+MrHairgrease | I'm still where I was last week | 18:17 |
@rizen | which is? | 18:17 |
+MrHairgrease | that is: | 18:17 |
+MrHairgrease | svn status | 18:19 |
+MrHairgrease | ? t/Shop/PayDriver.t | 18:19 |
+MrHairgrease | ? t/Shop/Pay.t | 18:19 |
+MrHairgrease | ? lib/WebGUI/Shop/PayDriver.pm | 18:19 |
+MrHairgrease | which are all pretty much finished | 18:19 |
@rizen | how come i don't see any of those in svn? | 18:19 |
+MrHairgrease | b/c I haven't tested them yet | 18:19 |
+MrHairgrease | I cannot reaaly test em w/o a payment plugin | 18:19 |
+MrHairgrease | which will be Cash | 18:20 |
+MrHairgrease | since that will be the most simple | 18:20 |
@rizen | ok since you are as far as you are, i have a question for you | 18:20 |
@rizen | do you think it would make more sense that WebGUI::Shop::Pay->new created a WebGUI::Shop::Pay object and that we created WebGUI::Shop::Pay->getShipper to create an instance of a shipper? | 18:21 |
@rizen | cuz i'm thinking for consistency sake that it would make more sense that way | 18:21 |
+MrHairgrease | Think so\ | 18:22 |
+MrHairgrease | but wasn't it meant to be like this anyway? | 18:22 |
@rizen | if you look at WebGUI::Shop::Ship in svn Pay was meant to be designed the same way as it is now | 18:22 |
@rizen | but i'm thinking about changing it so it has a real constructor rather than making all the methods be class methods | 18:23 |
+MrHairgrease | let me check | 18:23 |
@rizen | that was you don't have to pass session around all over the place | 18:23 |
+MrHairgrease | hang on | 18:23 |
+MrHairgrease | oh i see | 18:24 |
+MrHairgrease | there's no getShipper yet | 18:24 |
@rizen | right | 18:24 |
+MrHairgrease | just getSHippers | 18:24 |
@rizen | because new() does that | 18:24 |
@rizen | new is getShipper() right now | 18:24 |
@rizen | but i'm thinking that new should be the constructor for WebGUI::Shop::Ship rather than acting as getShpper() | 18:25 |
@rizen | and then there should be a getShipper() method | 18:25 |
+MrHairgrease | yes | 18:25 |
+MrHairgrease | I agree | 18:25 |
+MrHairgrease | b/c I thought it would work differently =) | 18:25 |
@rizen | ok i'll write WebGUI::Shop::Pay for you too then because it is just a copy of Ship | 18:25 |
@rizen | with some minor mods | 18:25 |
+MrHairgrease | ok | 18:26 |
+MrHairgrease | I was to work on it all day today, but the project I was working had a whole day of loose ends to tie up | 18:26 |
CIA-52 | WebGUI: jt * r5749 /translations/French/French/Invite.pm: update_from_translation_server | 18:27 |
@rizen | understood, it happens to me all the time | 18:27 |
@rizen | =) | 18:27 |
+MrHairgrease | I'll try to do the Cash driver this weekend | 18:27 |
+MrHairgrease | cannot promise that though | 18:27 |
@rizen | ok | 18:27 |
+MrHairgrease | last day I returned about 23.45 from th euniversity | 18:27 |
+MrHairgrease | so I really like some time off in the weekends =) | 18:28 |
+MrHairgrease | coding is fun however | 18:28 |
+MrHairgrease | so we'll see | 18:28 |
@rizen | also understood | 18:28 |
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CIA-52 | WebGUI: graham * r5750 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): preparing for 7.5.6 dev | 18:47 |
CIA-52 | WebGUI: graham * r5751 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 5 dirs): added i18n for calendar | 18:47 |
CIA-52 | WebGUI: graham * r5752 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/AssetExportHtml.pm): fixed: exporting as HTML leaks sessions for inaccessible assets | 18:47 |
CIA-52 | WebGUI: graham * r5753 /WebGUI/ (7 files in 4 dirs): new datepicker | 18:47 |
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CIA-52 | WebGUI: jt * r5754 /branch/WebGUI_Commerce/lib/WebGUI/ (5 files in 2 dirs): shipping is closer | 19:30 |
lisette | hello | 19:45 |
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CIA-52 | WebGUI: graham * r5755 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Use UTF8 for database connection when connecting to MySQL | 20:15 |
ckotil | anyone know how to mod_rewrite a cgi script w/ paremeters? nothing fancy i just want to redirect to a static page for a certain set of paremters. | 20:31 |
knowmad | have you checked the mod_rewrite cookbook? | 20:36 |
knowmad | http://rewrite.drbacchus.com/ | 20:37 |
ckotil | yeah. i just figured it out. QUERY_STRING pulls in the parameters | 20:41 |
ckotil | REQUEST_URI doesnt seem to. | 20:41 |
knowmad | please post it to the wiki | 20:41 |
knowmad | i just setup a page for this kind of stuff yesterday | 20:41 |
ckotil | RewriteCond %{QUERY_STRING} ^viewname=manlan-interfaces(.*) | 20:42 |
ckotil | RewriteRule ^/i2net/show-view-graphs.cgi /manlan/ [R] | 20:42 |
knowmad | hold on and i'll give you the link | 20:42 |
ckotil | thats what i had to do basically. | 20:42 |
ckotil | you think this would apply to your wiki entry? | 20:42 |
knowmad | http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/customizing-wre-configuration | 20:43 |
knowmad | yes | 20:43 |
ckotil | hrmm | 20:49 |
ckotil | ill try to relate it to webgui. | 20:49 |
knowmad | yeah, i see your point | 20:51 |
knowmad | are you trying to take over the function of an old cgi script? | 20:51 |
knowmad | that could be a good angle for your entry | 20:51 |
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CIA-52 | WebGUI: graham * r5756 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed: changing image thumbnail size doesn't resize image | 21:17 |
ckotil | yeah, i like it. | 21:20 |
CIA-52 | WebGUI: graham * r5757 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Config.pm): fixed: loadAllConfigs loads hidden files | 21:35 |
CIA-52 | WebGUI: graham * r5758 /modules/Config-JSON/lib/Config/JSON.pm: croak with parse error instead of die | 21:35 |
CIA-52 | WebGUI: jt * r5759 /translations/Polish/Polish/WebGUI.pm: update_from_translation_server | 22:17 |
CIA-52 | WebGUI: graham * r5760 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): ensure proper XML for ITransact messages | 22:17 |
lisette | i can do a buildArray with WebGUI::DatabaseLink? | 22:19 |
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@rizen | you can do anything in WebGUI::SQL with a db link | 22:23 |
lisette | but i have a another database | 22:23 |
lisette | no wengui | 22:24 |
lisette | webgui | 22:24 |
@rizen | doesn't matter | 22:24 |
@rizen | if you have a database link you can do anything in WebGUI::SQL | 22:25 |
@rizen | buildArray quickHash, anything | 22:25 |
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CIA-52 | WebGUI: jt * r5761 /branch/WebGUI_Commerce/ (3 files in 3 dirs): added payment manager | 22:34 |
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CIA-52 | WebGUI: graham * r5762 /wrebuild/ (build.sh wre/lib/WRE/Config.pm): include drive letter for getRoot on windows | 23:02 |
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elnino | hello. | 23:04 |
elnino | totally different discussionfrom last nights. BTW, wierdness is gone. | 23:05 |
elnino | I see in 7.4.26 that we can put extra parameters in the db connection definition, and since the up grade, one of my queries no longer returns anything. I suspect its because of the LongReadLen issue. So I'm assuming that by adding this capability of adding db parameters, you had remove some ones that you had in the code. What were they so I can define them in this particular db connection so that it will work again? This db is notorias | 23:07 |
elnino | for long fields, and perl keeps truncating the data. | 23:07 |
elnino | Only reason i'm looking at the LongReadLen, because I bumped into this before in one of my modules and had to do convoluted things to my sql to return "short enough" data for the perl:dbi to work. The query I'm using now, is a sql report that I didn't have to modify before and it uses the db connection defined within webgui (where as my module didn't) hope that makes sense. | 23:14 |
CIA-52 | WebGUI: graham * r5763 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Keyword.pm): fixed: fatal error duplicate keywords added to a wiki page | 23:21 |
ckotil | knowmad: I added that to the wiki. dunno how useful it will be ;) | 23:28 |
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CIA-52 | WebGUI: graham * r5764 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Event.pm): related links are now parsed out of related links text area | 00:03 |
@preaction | lord, you had to fix that? the 7.5 series changes that related links thing completely | 00:05 |
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knowmad | ckotil: it's a start | 00:39 |
knowmad | i did add a note that the recipe could be useful for cases when replacing cgi scripts with webgui assets | 00:40 |
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CIA-52 | WebGUI: jt * r5765 /branch/WebGUI_Commerce/lib/WebGUI/ (5 files in 3 dirs): very close to having ship driver management working | 02:22 |
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CIA-52 | WebGUI: frank * r5766 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Added feature to allow users to determine whether new / unplaced assets are added to the top or bottom of the first content position of Layouts. | 19:33 |
CIA-52 | WebGUI: jt * r5767 /translations/French/French/Asset_Survey.pm: update_from_translation_server | 23:56 |
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CIA-52 | WebGUI: colin * r5768 /branch/WebGUI_Commerce/t/Shop/ShipDriver.t: | 06:51 |
CIA-52 | WebGUI: Fix failing Shop/ShipDriver.t tests. If the definition sub, fields was | 06:51 |
CIA-52 | WebGUI: changed to properties, and getName is now a class method that requires | 06:51 |
CIA-52 | WebGUI: a session variable. | 06:51 |
CIA-52 | WebGUI: colin * r5769 /branch/WebGUI_Commerce/t/Shop/ShipDriver/FlatRate.t: fix the same failing issues in ShipDriver in FlatRate | 06:51 |
CIA-52 | WebGUI: colin * r5770 /branch/WebGUI_Commerce/t/Shop/Ship.t: fix almost all the failing Ship tests | 07:31 |
CIA-52 | WebGUI: colin * r5771 /branch/WebGUI_Commerce/lib/WebGUI/Shop/ (ShipDriver.pm Ship.pm): | 07:31 |
CIA-52 | WebGUI: Tweak a little POD. | 07:31 |
CIA-52 | WebGUI: Fix a bad exception message. | 07:31 |
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CIA-52 | WebGUI: jt * r5774 /translations/French/notes.txt: update_from_translation_server | 20:31 |
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CIA-52 | WebGUI: colin * r5775 /branch/WebGUI_Commerce/lib/WebGUI/SQL.pm: More POD for SQL, read method | 06:50 |
CIA-52 | WebGUI: colin * r5776 /branch/WebGUI_Commerce/lib/WebGUI/SQL/ResultSet.pm: more POD for SQL::Result, documenting what read does | 06:50 |
CIA-52 | WebGUI: colin * r5777 /branch/WebGUI_Commerce/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 06:50 |
CIA-52 | WebGUI: Add i18n for Tax, for the UI. | 06:50 |
CIA-52 | WebGUI: Begin to flesh out the DataTable JS for www_view. Add a method to slurp all the | 06:50 |
CIA-52 | WebGUI: tax data out of the db at once. | 06:50 |
CIA-52 | WebGUI: Add a test for the slurp method, and stop using the private sub that used to | 06:50 |
CIA-52 | WebGUI: do it in the tests. | 06:50 |
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cntry | Is webgui based on php? | 07:26 |
+Radix-wrk | no | 07:27 |
+Radix-wrk | webgui is written in perl | 07:27 |
cntry | thanks' | 07:28 |
cntry | Have a site up since 01 using postnuke, but it now getting slammed by hackers, so thought I would give this a try. | 07:30 |
@apeiron | cntry, I'd say to try a demo first: demo.plainblack.com | 07:31 |
cntry | just started one, will work on it tomorrow and see how it works. | 07:31 |
@apeiron | You may want to create another one tomorrow. They last 24 hours. | 07:32 |
@apeiron | If you want to try it out on your machines for longer than that, by far the easiest route would be to use the WRE (WebGUI Runtime Environment) if you're on a supported platform. Comes with everything you need to run WebGUI all in one archive. | 07:33 |
+Radix-wrk | or heck, use the vmware image | 07:36 |
+Radix-wrk | easy backup and restore then with vmware server | 07:36 |
@apeiron | Hmm, true. Good point. | 07:37 |
cntry | I dont have a linux server setup at home right now. | 07:37 |
+Radix-wrk | vmware server is free for windows | 07:37 |
cntry | It will be going on a redhat 5 server if I decide to use it | 07:37 |
@preaction_ | WRE has a windows build too | 07:37 |
@apeiron | And Mac. | 07:37 |
@preaction_ | freebsd and openbsd too | 07:38 |
@apeiron | And the PB developers by and large develop using the WRE on Mac, so you can be pretty sure the WRE works. :) | 07:38 |
@preaction_ | though the open one is old since i can't get the 0.8.3 WRe to compile | 07:38 |
@apeiron | preaction_, Got an error log? | 07:38 |
@preaction_ | not anymore. i think the box itself is dying. lots of spontaneous reboots | 07:38 |
@preaction_ | but nothing in dmesg, so i'm thinking power supply | 07:39 |
@apeiron | hrm. I'll take a look at it in VMWare. | 07:39 |
@preaction_ | but it's late and tomorrow's monday, so i'm going to get some sleep | 07:39 |
@apeiron | heh, g'night sir. | 07:39 |
+Radix-wrk | nite | 07:39 |
@preaction_ | i know you at least need the latest OpenSSL in order to get the WRE to compile | 07:40 |
cntry | So to run on linux server I will have to install WRE? | 07:40 |
@preaction_ | cntry, no | 07:40 |
@apeiron | cntry, You don't *have* to. | 07:40 |
@preaction_ | but it's just so much easier | 07:40 |
+Radix-wrk | it IS the easiest way to install webgui tho | 07:40 |
@apeiron | cntry, WRE is "download tarball. Extract tarball. Read install.txt. Follow step by step instructions. go." | 07:40 |
cntry | ok Ill look at it in the morning | 07:41 |
@apeiron | cntry, Trust me, you'll spend more time downloading the tarball than you will reading the install.txt. :) | 07:41 |
cntry | cool | 07:41 |
@apeiron | cntry, By the way, which Linux will this be on? | 07:42 |
cntry | my host shouldn't have a problem with WRE install? | 07:42 |
@apeiron | hmm. | 07:42 |
cntry | Redhat 5 I believe | 07:42 |
@apeiron | RH EL 5? | 07:42 |
cntry | yeah | 07:42 |
@apeiron | Yeah, there's a tarball for the latest WRE. | 07:43 |
@apeiron | As for your host, well, hmm. | 07:43 |
+Radix-wrk | you got root on that box? | 07:43 |
@apeiron | The WRE comes with everything you need, including An apache setup that's fine-tuned to work well for WebGUI. | 07:43 |
@apeiron | So yeah, it works best if you have root privs. | 07:44 |
@apeiron | However, if you're just doing postnuke on that host, PB does WebGUI hosting. | 07:44 |
cntry | don't believe so, is a virtual host with cpanel etc. | 07:44 |
+Radix-wrk | virtual private server account? or just another user on a big machine with lots of other users? | 07:45 |
cntry | will email them in the morning and ask | 07:45 |
+Radix-wrk | if the latter, then you're going to have a much harder time installing it | 07:45 |
+Radix-wrk | I have a cheap $15/month vps account I run webgui on myself | 07:46 |
cntry | Just another user, have a reseller account can add domains and users, but I am one of many | 07:46 |
cntry | http://www.networkredux.com/reseller.html | 07:48 |
+Radix-wrk | Don't think you'll be able to run webgui on that kind of account imho | 07:49 |
+Radix-wrk | It may be possible.. I don't know | 07:50 |
@apeiron | It'd be messy setting up WebGUI's Apache to play nicely with the httpd they're running. | 07:50 |
@apeiron | Not to mention database stuff. | 07:51 |
+Radix-wrk | well.. database side of things is fairly standard mysql - but apache config is definitely custom and requires root lvl privs | 07:52 |
+Radix-wrk | perl stuff you can workaround using same method as wre | 07:52 |
cntry | Sent off an email top see what they say, will know by morning. | 07:56 |
+Radix-wrk | Good Luck :) | 07:57 |
cntry | How tough is the layout or templates?? | 07:58 |
+Radix-wrk | there's an excellent wiki article that guides you through creating your first page layout | 07:58 |
+Radix-wrk | templates aren't that hard either, but you need to know your html/css to get the best results | 07:59 |
@apeiron | cntry, It works *kind of* like PHP except that the templates contain spots where you include values determined in the Perl code, rather than code and variables mixed. | 07:59 |
+Radix-wrk | you don't have to know a scrap of code to be able to work with webgui tho | 07:59 |
@apeiron | cntry, So you'd have something like: Hello <strong><tmpl_var user.name></strong>! | 07:59 |
cntry | Here is the site I am going to swap to gui would like to keep the layout http://www.123az.com/rideaz/ | 07:59 |
@apeiron | And it'd take the value of user.name defined in the Perl and put it there in the output. | 07:59 |
@apeiron | cntry, WebGUI is really, really flexible in terms of templates. You can customise so much of how it does things. | 08:00 |
@apeiron | cntry, I'm glad to see the current site is using XHTML, as WebGUI does as well. | 08:01 |
cntry | cool, just going to have to learn pearl I guess, not much of a coder | 08:01 |
@apeiron | Depends upon what you need to do. | 08:01 |
+Radix-wrk | you shouldn't need to learn perl imho | 08:01 |
cntry | cool | 08:01 |
+Radix-wrk | that's the beauty of webgui | 08:01 |
@apeiron | As Radix-wrk said, you don't need to know perl to change how a site looks. | 08:01 |
+Radix-wrk | almost everything is templates and fully customisable | 08:02 |
+Radix-wrk | you design a template once.. reuse everywhere you want | 08:02 |
@apeiron | hmmmm | 08:02 |
cntry | can use dreamweaver for a lot of it then? | 08:03 |
+Radix-wrk | there's a built in html editor that will help you.. but yeah, advanced layout is best done in something like dreamweaver, etc | 08:04 |
@apeiron | cntry, You may want to take a look at cmsmatrix.org and compare some products there. | 08:04 |
cntry | just bought cs3 web premium so should have all I need except talent....... | 08:05 |
@apeiron | cntry, WebGUI has versioning just like Postnuke (according to cmsmatrix) so you can rollback an ugly design or two. :) | 08:06 |
cntry | Thanks for all the info, will see what I can come up with in the morning and probably be back for more advise. | 08:09 |
cntry | Night all or good afternoon as the case might be............ | 08:10 |
@apeiron | Early morning for me... | 08:10 |
* apeiron coughs. | 08:10 |
+Radix-wrk | afternoon here :) | 08:11 |
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jdan | Does anybody know anything about gorupId=2? I am reading modules which manipulate messages. And found return $session->privilege->insufficient() unless ($session->user->isInGoroup(2)); | 11:05 |
jdan | The problem is there is no groupeId 2 in my database | 11:06 |
+Radix_ | Hmm.. 1 is visitor | 11:06 |
+Radix_ | 3 is admin | 11:06 |
+Radix_ | no idea what 2 is | 11:06 |
jdan | So look at /WebGUI/Operation/Inbox.pm | 11:08 |
jdan | Every finctions begin someting "return $session->privilege->insufficient() unless ($session->user->isInGoroup(2)); " | 11:09 |
+Radix_ | I'd have to suggest you wait until preaction/Haarg or one of the PB guys can help | 11:09 |
jdan | ok, thx | 11:10 |
jdan | I found. In module WebGUI/User.pm there is function isGroup. In it's code there is condition: return 1 if ($gid eq '2' && $uid ne '1'); # if you're not a visitor, then you're a registered user | 11:14 |
jdan | So 2 means registered user | 11:14 |
+Radix_ | cool... mystery explained :) | 11:21 |
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CIA-52 | WebGUI: jt * r5778 /translations/French/French/WebGUI.pm: update_from_translation_server | 14:06 |
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SDuensin | Morning. | 14:52 |
BartJol | morning | 15:24 |
AMH_bo1 | Morning! | 15:33 |
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CIA-52 | WebGUI: graham * r5779 /WebGUI/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: event related links may not work with some group names | 17:19 |
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jdan | I need mail system for organizing procedural communcations at www service, where each message have special, non printed data. These data can be parsed by some operatins and wobject functions. I plane hidding default Inbox operations and make new wobject for writing and reading messages. The question is, for what else, besides user communications, is needed standard Inbox? Can I adept reader's behaviour? | 17:52 |
@preaction_ | user communications, approval messages, but if the user has a configured email address they get emailed anything that goes in their inbox | 17:55 |
jdan | Sory, Can I adapt ... | 17:55 |
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jdan | I read at package WebGUI::Inbox that it is for workflow | 17:57 |
jdan | So I don't know what I can block | 17:57 |
@preaction_ | approval messages, yes | 17:57 |
@preaction_ | but again, anything put in the Inbox is emailed to the user (if they have a valid email address in their profile) | 17:58 |
jdan | ok, understnd. better I make additinaly servce | 17:58 |
jdan | And second question, when and where WebGUI sneds email? Immediately after sending message or in background (spectre ...)? | 18:00 |
@rizen | you can choose | 18:00 |
@rizen | my $mail = WebGUI::Mail::Send->new | 18:00 |
@rizen | $mail->queue | 18:01 |
@rizen | $mail->send | 18:01 |
jdan | thanks | 18:01 |
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dionak | i'm trying to put together an idea on how to process a file upload and decide if this can be done via a workflow. We have a form created with a file upload field. We want to call an import script, with post parameters, to process the uploaded file upon post. A collaboration system is attractive because we could track file versions. Does this sound like a reasonable solution? | 18:35 |
dionak | The idea is to create a Work Queue based on the imported records. | 18:36 |
@preaction_ | a normal File asset keeps track of versions too. you could subclass the file asset to do the processing you want on the commit() sub | 18:38 |
dionak | How could that work with the form? There is extra meta-data in addition to the file. | 18:39 |
@preaction_ | add it to the asset properties | 18:39 |
dionak | Can this solution be made to look like a normal web form by placing the asset on the page with the Style template applied? Trying to visualize... | 18:42 |
@preaction_ | of course | 18:43 |
@preaction_ | override www_edit to show getEditForm within a style template | 18:43 |
dionak | excellent! thanks doug! You've just saved me a lot of time. i'll start looking into this. | 18:43 |
dionak | It makes a lot of sense. | 18:44 |
dionak | Do I need to create a new table for the subclass? | 18:44 |
@preaction_ | yep | 18:44 |
dionak | k, thanks again. | 18:44 |
@preaction_ | there should be a tutorial on the wiki for creating assets. otherwise you'll have wait for the dev guide | 18:45 |
dionak | i'll check out the tutorial. | 18:48 |
dionak | i've created an asset before (once) but it's been a while. | 18:48 |
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lisette | hello | 19:21 |
lisette | how to init a session with another user in a macro? | 19:21 |
@preaction_ | WebGUI::Session->new( $userId ) ; i think | 19:28 |
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lisette | thanks | 19:34 |
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perlmonkey2 | dear lord YUI adds a lot of code for each little widget you add in. This stuff just builds up until you have 4,000,000 lines of code and 3 widgets on the screen. | 20:13 |
* perlmonkey2 isn't even exaggerating. | 20:14 |
perlmonkey2 | quiet today. | 20:16 |
perlmonkey2 | oh...lunch time | 20:16 |
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jua1 | hello | 21:56 |
jua1 | i want to create some fields and show them at registration. the thing is that i want to create a field like a select list where the users have four answers, if the users anwser threeof them i ahve to show an additional two fields, but if the user check the four option i will not show the additional fields | 22:00 |
jua1 | is it posible? | 22:00 |
@preaction_ | yes | 22:06 |
jua1 | how? | 22:15 |
@preaction_ | make a new form control to handle it | 22:16 |
jua1 | ah | 22:29 |
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CIA-52 | WebGUI: graham * r5783 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Event.pm): fixed: events get start/end time even when none specified (also can offset start/end day | 00:29 |
CIA-52 | WebGUI: graham * r5784 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Event.pm: document related links regex | 00:29 |
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cap10morgan | does the httpproxy wobject make webgui send out a Content-Type header that specifies ISO-8859-1 instead of UTF-8? | 01:36 |
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cap10morgan | i have a site where most pages specify utf-8 as their charset, except for a page where i have httpproxy wobject | 01:38 |
cap10morgan | where it comes out as 8859-1 | 01:38 |
cap10morgan | very weird | 01:38 |
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dionak | hey guys... | 02:42 |
dionak | are you guys still working? | 02:42 |
dionak | not sure if you've seen but we've been releasing WG in our press releases. http://charlotte.dbusinessnews.com/shownews.php?newsid=152693&type_news=past | 02:43 |
dionak | there are others | 02:44 |
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jdanpl | Does WebGUI library has function to quote replayed message? | 14:25 |
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SDuensin | Greetings. | 15:23 |
+MrHairgrease | Greasings! | 15:23 |
SDuensin | :-) | 15:23 |
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+MrHairgrease | rizen, is PayDriver->definition meant to be a class method? | 15:48 |
@rizen | yes | 15:48 |
+MrHairgrease | ok | 15:49 |
@rizen | just like assets, workflow activities, and ship drivers | 15:49 |
+MrHairgrease | ok | 15:49 |
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juan | can i create in a survey a question with multiple answer but the user can answer several options too | 17:09 |
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+MrHairgrease | rizen: quick question | 17:34 |
+MrHairgrease | in the WG::S:Pay->addPaymentGateway you created you call create via WG::Plug::instanciate with only session and options, while cthe create method reuires you to pass a label as well | 17:35 |
+MrHairgrease | my question: do you want addPaymentGateway to also require a label? | 17:35 |
+MrHairgrease | if not, then how should the label be constructed. | 17:36 |
+MrHairgrease | rizen: other question. In you code you call the table paymentGateway, but I used payment_Gateway in mine (as was in the docs). Which one do you prefer? | 17:56 |
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+MrHairgrease | rizen: used paymentGateway in stead of payment_Gateway | 18:26 |
+MrHairgrease | seems nicer anyway | 18:26 |
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@rizen | mrhairgrease...yes labels are good | 18:41 |
@rizen | paymentGateway | 18:42 |
+MrHairgrease | ah | 18:44 |
+MrHairgrease | just committed all my stuff | 18:44 |
+MrHairgrease | put in a TEMPORARY_LABEL label for the time being | 18:44 |
+MrHairgrease | and a test failing as long as that's there | 18:45 |
+MrHairgrease | will change it | 18:45 |
+MrHairgrease | why don't shipdrivers have a label, btw? | 18:45 |
perlmonkey2 | woohooo, on my most expensive operations, I'm getting <100ms ajax calls. | 18:47 |
perlmonkey2 | So latency+100ms will be the user experience for each event in the survey. sweet! | 18:48 |
+MrHairgrease | is that corrected for timezone differences? | 18:48 |
perlmonkey2 | not quite fast enough if it was a FPS, but plenty fast enough for dragging around objects and submitting updates. | 18:48 |
* perlmonkey2 goes to the Indian buffet to celebrate. | 18:49 |
CIA-21 | WebGUI: martin * r5786 /branch/WebGUI_Commerce/ (8 files in 5 dirs): | 19:00 |
CIA-21 | WebGUI: - Added tests for Pay | 19:00 |
CIA-21 | WebGUI: - Fixed some tests/code for PayDriver | 19:00 |
CIA-21 | WebGUI: - Added i18n for PayDriver | 19:00 |
CIA-21 | WebGUI: - Added a really, really bare-bones Cash plugin. | 19:00 |
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CIA-21 | WebGUI: martin * r5787 /branch/WebGUI_Commerce/ (t/Shop/Pay.t lib/WebGUI/Shop/Pay.pm): Require a label to be passed to WebGUI::Shop::Pay->addPaymentGateway | 19:20 |
@apeiron | perlmonkey2, <100ms, very nice! | 19:21 |
@apeiron | perlmonkey2, You're not cheating by using the loopback device, are you? :) | 19:22 |
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wgGuest31 | hello | 20:02 |
wgGuest31 | i can return an array from a macro and process with javascript? | 20:03 |
@preaction_ | yes | 20:06 |
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perlmonkey2 | apeiron: hah, no this is on my dev server | 20:18 |
perlmonkey2 | granted it is on the same subnet. | 20:18 |
@apeiron | perlmonkey2, Still pretty good. | 20:19 |
perlmonkey2 | yes, I'm very happy. Doing the normal WG session work, then my queries and munging, and getting the response back in under 100ms using a 2.4Ghz P4 with an old ata100 drive as a server isnt' too shabby. | 20:20 |
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+MrHairgrease | anybody seen Test::Exception? | 20:23 |
+MrHairgrease | it could replace the ugly exception tests we have now | 20:23 |
+MrHairgrease | if only it was possible to get the error message | 20:23 |
+MrHairgrease | well, check the error message that is | 20:24 |
+MrHairgrease | in stead of only chceking the exception class... | 20:24 |
+MrHairgrease | but | 20:24 |
+MrHairgrease | maybe it is an idea to have a helper function that does | 20:24 |
@preaction_ | i think colin looked at test::exception, dunno what his thoughts were on i | 20:38 |
@preaction_ | t | 20:38 |
dionak | does anyone know why the wre is compiled without support for Innodb? | 20:40 |
dionak | or, i should say, mysql is compiled in the WRE without support for Innodb tables | 20:41 |
@preaction_ | because we don't use it and it saves on the size (however minutely) | 20:41 |
@preaction_ | jt would be able to answer that, but he's afk today | 20:41 |
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dionak | we're needing innodb for a linked database. | 20:42 |
dionak | I'm debating our options | 20:42 |
@preaction_ | recompile without the --without-innodb flag | 20:43 |
dionak | it's on windows.. | 20:43 |
@preaction_ | oh. ew | 20:43 |
@preaction_ | uhmm.... | 20:43 |
dionak | yea.. | 20:43 |
dionak | I wonder how are the WRE binaries are compiled for windows? | 20:44 |
@preaction_ | couldn't tell you. should be in the https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/wrebuild somewhere i think. | 20:44 |
@preaction_ | otherwise, it might be easier to disable the wre's mysql and replace it with your own | 20:45 |
dionak | that may be what we end up doing. I didn't see any mention of windows in the wrebuild src | 20:45 |
@Haarg | there isn't an automated build system for windows | 21:16 |
@Haarg | i don't actually know where the mysql we're using comes from | 21:16 |
@Haarg | i would assume it is one of the standard mysql builds though | 21:16 |
@Haarg | seems odd it wouldn't have innodb | 21:17 |
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dionak | turns out it was disabled in the mysql config file (skip-innodb). i removed that line. | 21:33 |
dionak | i'll note this in the wiki | 21:34 |
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wgGuest99 | Hi, I'm looking for help with customizing email receipts to match custom profile changes. | 21:38 |
wgGuest99 | Anyone available to help? | 21:39 |
dionak | what kind of help are you needing? | 21:45 |
wgGuest99 | I need help getting the email receipts for transactions (from payments@plainblack.net) to display additional customer info besides the standard username, payment info, etc. | 21:46 |
wgGuest99 | Right now the user profiles have "company name" and "position", etc, but the emails don't display that, and need to be manually looked up. | 21:47 |
wgGuest99 | is there a way to integrate that into every receipt email? | 21:47 |
dionak | would this be better handled by a support request? | 21:48 |
dionak | i don't work for PB, so I don't have any info for you. sorry. | 21:48 |
wgGuest99 | Ah, no problem, thanks for letting me know. | 21:49 |
dionak | sure | 21:49 |
wgGuest99 | Should I send an email to support@plainblack.net, or try to call in? | 21:50 |
wgGuest99 | I called their development team, but noone's manning the phone right now. | 21:50 |
dionak | we usually post to the support board on plainblack.com | 21:50 |
dionak | the response is generally pretty reasonable. | 21:50 |
dionak | they've always responded within a few hours | 21:51 |
wgGuest99 | Alright, thank you so much. | 21:52 |
wgGuest99 | Have a good rest of the afternoon. | 21:52 |
dionak | you too. | 21:52 |
@preaction_ | wgGuest99, someone hasn't called you back yet? | 21:52 |
wgGuest99 | Oops, I neglected to leave a message. | 21:53 |
wgGuest99 | I'll try calling right now. | 21:53 |
dionak | lol | 21:53 |
wgGuest99 | Nobody there at the moment, but I'm heading off in about an hour. | 21:55 |
wgGuest99 | I think it'd be best to just post a question on the support forum for now and check it from home. | 21:56 |
wgGuest99 | Thanks. | 21:56 |
jdanpl | Hi, how to enable moderation mode in Collaboration? I see "Approval Workflow" at configuration. But there is not workflow for moderator mode. | 21:57 |
@preaction_ | jdanpl, what is "moderator mode"? | 21:58 |
jdanpl | If someone sent new message, moderator should check it and approve or discard | 21:59 |
@preaction_ | that's the approval workflow | 21:59 |
jdanpl | I need this featcher for ad service | 21:59 |
jdanpl | ok, but when I set "Commit With Apprval" new messages appear in minute on page. So Spectre approves them itself | 22:02 |
@preaction_ | they're posted by people who would be approving. people approving do not need to approve their own content | 22:03 |
jdanpl | It's greate | 22:04 |
jdanpl | ok | 22:04 |
jdanpl | It's great ;-) | 22:05 |
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@rizen | quick poll, what would make a good asset icon for "Thingy" | 23:26 |
@rizen | Thingy is a point and click application builder for WebGUI. | 23:26 |
@rizen | You can define database tables with fields assigned to them, make edit/view/search/list screens and link multiple database tables together | 23:27 |
@rizen | it's kind of a hybrid between data form and sql form | 23:27 |
+MrHairgrease | make it the adams family hand | 23:27 |
@rizen | oooh | 23:27 |
+MrHairgrease | question for you | 23:27 |
+MrHairgrease | have you seen Test::Exception? | 23:28 |
@rizen | yes | 23:28 |
+MrHairgrease | it's way nicer than the exceptiontests we do now BUT | 23:28 |
@rizen | Colin originally was using it for the new exception testing stuff, but it turned out to be too limited in some regard | 23:28 |
@rizen | i don't know what | 23:28 |
+MrHairgrease | it cannot check the fields | 23:28 |
+MrHairgrease | I made something that can | 23:29 |
@rizen | colin said that he might patch it later | 23:29 |
@rizen | oh | 23:29 |
@rizen | a sublcass, or something new? | 23:29 |
@rizen | or a patch? | 23:29 |
+MrHairgrease | let me paste | 23:29 |
+MrHairgrease | it | 23:29 |
+MrHairgrease | hang on | 23:29 |
@rizen | anybody have any other ideas than "Thing" from Addams Family | 23:29 |
+MrHairgrease | http://webgui.pastebin.org/23309 | 23:30 |
+MrHairgrease | The underscored subs come directly from Test::Exception | 23:31 |
+MrHairgrease | I understand what they do | 23:31 |
+MrHairgrease | but not why | 23:31 |
+MrHairgrease | however, using upleve | 23:31 |
+MrHairgrease | ^h^h^h | 23:31 |
+MrHairgrease | however, using the eval statement as it stands there seems to work | 23:32 |
@preaction_ | http://www.csi-stjoe.net/~parkers/drakemaille/Images/thingamajig.jpg <- google image search for thingamajig | 23:32 |
@rizen | what does uplevel do...i haven't heard of that one before | 23:32 |
+MrHairgrease | it essentially makes the coderef being evalled in the callers contexts | 23:33 |
+MrHairgrease | s/s// | 23:33 |
+MrHairgrease | so uplevel 1 would execute the coderef in the context of eg. Pay.t | 23:33 |
+MrHairgrease | without it, it won't work | 23:34 |
+MrHairgrease | Test::Exception uses it too | 23:34 |
@preaction_ | interlocking shapes for the thingy, 3d or not 3d | 23:34 |
@rizen | wow this module is pretty cool | 23:35 |
@rizen | this seems a lot cooler than using evals throughout our test code | 23:35 |
+MrHairgrease | yeah, and it avoids all the oogly cmp_deeply's | 23:36 |
@rizen | i'd say commit it to the 7.5 branch | 23:36 |
+MrHairgrease | ok | 23:36 |
+MrHairgrease | I'll commit it into the commerce branch first | 23:36 |
+MrHairgrease | so we can check it out | 23:37 |
+MrHairgrease | is that ok? | 23:37 |
@preaction_ | a platypus head. the icon should be a platypus head | 23:38 |
+MrHairgrease | are you volunteering your pbwg photo preaction? =) | 23:39 |
@preaction_ | oooh good idea | 23:39 |
@preaction_ | a stylized outline of gooey? a la The Tick's logo? | 23:39 |
+MrHairgrease | oh rizen | 23:39 |
+MrHairgrease | one caveat | 23:39 |
+MrHairgrease | but one that's a good thing I think | 23:40 |
@rizen | sorry, that's what i meant...the commerce branch | 23:40 |
+MrHairgrease | it checks only for the actual class | 23:40 |
+MrHairgrease | in stead of isa | 23:40 |
+MrHairgrease | that means that if you throw an Invalidbject | 23:40 |
+MrHairgrease | InvalidObject | 23:40 |
+MrHairgrease | you can not tell it to be an InvalidParameter | 23:41 |
+MrHairgrease | while InvalidObject ISA InvalidParameter | 23:41 |
@rizen | i think that's fine | 23:41 |
+MrHairgrease | InvalidParam that is | 23:41 |
+MrHairgrease | mee too | 23:41 |
+MrHairgrease | I just do a ref check where isa_ok is much more thorough | 23:42 |
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@rizen | Thingy freakin roxorz | 00:14 |
@rizen | I don't know if you ever see Yung anymore, but he does amazing work. | 00:14 |
+MrHairgrease | haven't seen him in a while | 00:14 |
+MrHairgrease | i think the last time was november | 00:14 |
+MrHairgrease | ok, documented and committed WebGUI::TestException | 00:18 |
+MrHairgrease | and applied it on Pay.t | 00:18 |
+MrHairgrease | check it out and if you have any comments please let me know | 00:19 |
CIA-21 | WebGUI: martin * r5788 /branch/WebGUI_Commerce/t/ (Shop/Pay.t lib/WebGUI/TestException.pm): Added WebGUI::TestException and convert Shop/Pay.t to use it. | 00:21 |
CIA-21 | WebGUI: graham * r5789 /Lift: creating a directory for Lift | 00:55 |
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wgGuest43 | Hi...my first time checking in here. Is anyone awake? | 01:06 |
@preaction_ | yes | 01:06 |
wgGuest43 | Cool. I work at the U of MN Law School and we recently deployed our new website on WebGUI 7.3.22... | 01:08 |
wgGuest43 | Tonight I have run into a bizarre problem... | 01:08 |
wgGuest43 | When I go to commit a change, the version tag is lost and the asset becomes locked. | 01:09 |
@preaction_ | spectre isn't running | 01:09 |
@preaction_ | or can't connect | 01:10 |
wgGuest43 | according to my system, spectre is running... | 01:10 |
@preaction_ | can't connect then | 01:10 |
@preaction_ | cd /data/WebGUI/sbin; perl spectre.pl --test | 01:10 |
wgGuest43 | We're getting this error: | 01:11 |
wgGuest43 | ERROR - spectre.conf - POE::Kernel::_dispatch_event[1012] - WORKFLOW: Response for L7ijb6cP7uhTwv_NLVyVZA was redirected. This should never happen if configured properly!!! | 01:11 |
@preaction_ | spectre doesn't follow redirects | 01:11 |
@rizen | make sure that whatever the first item is in your sitename directive in your webgui config file matches what your real site's address is as accessible by dns from the box spectre is on | 01:13 |
wgGuest43 | Got it...had forgotten about the rewrite rules... | 01:14 |
wgGuest43 | I had added a rewrite rule to appache's conf (we're running a modified version of WebGUI -- don't ask, it's not my decision) | 01:15 |
@preaction_ | if you're using the WRE, you can point spectre at the mod_perl port and continue using mod_proxy for your rewrites | 01:15 |
wgGuest43 | ...and to get it to convert URL requests ending with a slash to add "index.html" I added a rewrite rule. | 01:15 |
@preaction_ | but from what you just said, i anticipate you're not running the WRE | 01:15 |
@preaction_ | you could just set your Home page to have a url of index.html | 01:16 |
wgGuest43 | no. Yet another reason for me to convince my boss to have our SA move to using the WRE. | 01:16 |
wgGuest43 | The problem is that we have people used to using URLs for directories under the home page without including the name... | 01:16 |
wgGuest43 | So http://www.law.umn.edu/cle/ is out in advertising, but should point to .../cle/index.html | 01:17 |
wgGuest43 | We were running WG 5.4, and this was fine then, but it seems things are now configured differently. | 01:17 |
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wgGuest43 | Well, I guess that will teach me to commit more frequently. We don't have many people editing at the moment, so it was some time before I added the rewrite rule and found the committing was not working. | 01:29 |
wgGuest43 | Thanks for the help, folks! You were a lifesaver tonight. Now I can actually leave for home. | 01:29 |
wgGuest43 | Hopefully next time I'm back here it won't be in a state of panic. | 01:30 |
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CIA-21 | WebGUI: graham * r5790 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (6 files in 5 dirs): added i18n for calendar | 02:02 |
CIA-21 | WebGUI: graham * r5791 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (lib/WebGUI/AssetExportHtml.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): fixed: exporting as HTML leaks sessions for inaccessible assets | 02:02 |
CIA-21 | WebGUI: graham * r5792 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed: changing image thumbnail size doesn't resize image | 02:02 |
CIA-21 | WebGUI: graham * r5793 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Config.pm): fixed: loadAllConfigs loads hidden files | 02:02 |
CIA-21 | WebGUI: graham * r5794 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Keyword.pm): fixed: fatal error duplicate keywords added to a wiki page | 02:02 |
CIA-21 | WebGUI: graham * r5795 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/t/Asset/Event.t: fixing Event test | 02:02 |
CIA-21 | WebGUI: graham * r5796 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.4.28 release | 02:02 |
CIA-21 | WebGUI: jt * r5797 /releases/WebGUI_7.4.28-stable: Release 7.4.28-stable | 02:02 |
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wgGuest04 | hello? | 06:20 |
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SDuensin | Morning. | 15:46 |
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perlmonkey2 | This is interesting, has anyone used it? http://search.cpan.org/~dpavlin/Fuse-DBI-0.08/examples/webgui.pl | 15:50 |
perlmonkey2 | g'morning SDuensin | 15:50 |
@rizen | it was written for WebGUI 5 | 15:56 |
@rizen | and yes i've used it | 15:57 |
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juan | hello | 17:12 |
juan | do you know, if there is a macro that i can insert a new variable in the session | 17:14 |
@rizen | you can set scratch variables onto a session using a simple url call | 17:25 |
@rizen | or you can write a macro to insert a variable | 17:26 |
@rizen | but no there isn't one | 17:26 |
BartJo2 | yes, they are called scratch variable | 17:27 |
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BartJo2 | thank god people correct me when I say stupid things | 17:33 |
juan | rizen, i have create a macro to set variables in session but i have a problem, the macro is called since a javascript with the name and its value | 17:44 |
juan | but in the table sessionscratch is been stored the name of the variable that has the value | 17:45 |
@rizen | i'm sorry juan, i don't understand what you're asking | 17:45 |
juan | the thing is the next | 17:46 |
@rizen | you've created a macro | 17:46 |
juan | yes | 17:46 |
juan | to set variables in session | 17:46 |
@rizen | right | 17:46 |
@rizen | but what about javascript? | 17:46 |
@rizen | what does that have to do with it? | 17:46 |
juan | the macro recieved two paramaters from javascript, with the name of the variable and the other with the value | 17:47 |
@rizen | that won't work | 17:48 |
@rizen | the macro is already executed by the time the javascript is run | 17:48 |
@rizen | the macro is executed by the server, but the javascript is executed by the client | 17:48 |
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juan | http://webgui.pastebin.com/d74ed1ab3 | 17:50 |
juan | I call this macro in javascript like this ^setScratch("Municipio",municipio ); | 17:51 |
juan | but when i checkt in mysql in userSessionScratch i found the next row | 17:51 |
juan | EeAn4pIktFTXQBUfQvuekg | Municipio | municipio | 17:52 |
juan | municipio is a variable defined in javascript and contain a number | 17:52 |
juan | do you know what is the problem? | 17:53 |
@rizen | the macro knows nothing about javascript | 17:53 |
@rizen | it can't turn the javascript variable into it's value | 17:53 |
juan | i have tested that with another macro and it works | 17:54 |
@rizen | then you're doing something entirely differently | 17:55 |
@rizen | in that version than you are here | 17:55 |
@rizen | if you want, you can use an ajax call to set a scratch variable | 17:55 |
juan | 7.4.19 | 17:55 |
@rizen | http://site.com/?op=setScratch;scratchName=municipio;scratchValue=36 | 17:56 |
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juan | we can not do a post | 17:58 |
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lisette | how to do a macro that insert a new variable in the session? | 18:48 |
lisette | ? | 19:33 |
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CIA-22 | WebGUI: graham * r5798 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (4 files in 4 dirs): preparing for 7.4.29 | 19:38 |
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lisette | http://www.webgui.org/etcetera/sql_with_javascript/sql_with_javascript | 19:40 |
perlmonkey2 | 4 tablespoons of pbj and jelly each...mixed very well on a plate. pita bread to mop it up. bowl of chicken noddle soup. Sam Adams Boston Ale. That is my lunch today. I love my life. | 19:53 |
nuba | 3 bananas, 5 small toasts w/ jelly, one passion fruit, a boiled egg. thats my lunch today, wife is travelling, and i was too lasy to cook anything or even eat out. | 20:02 |
nuba | heh, lazy* | 20:03 |
perlmonkey2 | nuba: yes, cooking is a luxury for when you have spare time, in my mind. | 20:09 |
@rizen | my lunch: nothing yet. too busy with commerce system. | 20:10 |
lisette | how to do a filter with two select box? | 20:12 |
lisette | and query a database | 20:12 |
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lisette | ? | 20:17 |
@preaction | ! | 20:17 |
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cap10morgan | Can you add fields to a DataForm via the API? It seems like there's no public method for that, but can I fudge it if I don't care if it breaks in future releases? :) | 21:13 |
cap10morgan | oh, i think www_editFieldSave is my friend here... | 21:19 |
@preaction | cap10morgan, you could probably add an API method to do it, and make sure the web interface uses the new API method | 21:19 |
@preaction | do use that. do it right the first time so you don't have to do it over | 21:19 |
@preaction | er... don't use that | 21:19 |
cap10morgan | alright alright ;) | 21:21 |
juan | hello | 21:26 |
@preaction | hello | 21:27 |
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perlmonkey2 | Hah, I'm showing 40ms updates for dragging and dropping on teh editor. This should scale up without any noticable increase in time as the number of updates is fixed. | 22:41 |
perlmonkey2 | rizen: if I would have listened to you in the first place, this would be done. Obviously ajax solutions work extremely well as super thin client solutions. | 22:42 |
juan | hello | 22:46 |
juan | i have a question | 22:46 |
@rizen | pm2 live and learn | 22:47 |
@rizen | we all make mistakes, and that's what makes us better | 22:47 |
juan | i have several information in a database i want to display it in some selected box, the thing is depend of the user's selection in the first, the second will have the respective information | 22:48 |
juan | is like a dinamic selected box | 22:48 |
juan | how can i do that? | 22:49 |
juan | have i to develop a new control? | 22:49 |
@preaction | i've answered this question three times now: Yes | 22:50 |
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CIA-22 | WebGUI: jt * r5799 /branch/WebGUI_Commerce/ (9 files in 7 dirs): finally got shipping driver management working | 01:30 |
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dionak | I created a new workflow activity today and made a scheduled task with it. It was really easy. Just thought you guys might like to hear the good stuff about WG. | 02:21 |
dionak | It looks like we're going to be using workflows a lot more. They are really handy. | 02:23 |
+Radix-wrk | yup :) | 02:39 |
dionak | JT, have you ever looked into Smolder? | 02:44 |
dionak | curious if you had any thoughts on it. | 02:44 |
dionak | http://sourceforge.net/projects/smolder | 02:45 |
+Radix-wrk | Suggest it to perldreamer I suggest | 02:46 |
@preaction | it looks nice, i'd have to add test.webgui.org and finally fix the smoke test server though | 02:47 |
dionak | I was more curious if anyone had tried it and how it worked for them, as opposed to making a suggestion. I'm still working on getting WG to work locally on my mac after the 10.5 upgrade so I haven't yet gotten to trying it out. | 02:52 |
@preaction | eh, i've been looking for a nice aggregator / display tool, and this looks like it fills all my desires | 02:52 |
dionak | i'm very interested to hear about your experience if you get the chance to try it out. | 02:53 |
dionak | Michael Peters presented it last year at YAPC as part of a larger talk and the idea has stayed with me. | 02:55 |
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wgGuest24 | Hello? | 05:39 |
@preaction | hello | 05:39 |
wgGuest24 | hi. how are you? | 05:39 |
@preaction | i'm fine | 05:40 |
wgGuest24 | is there anyone around that can answer a few questions about caching and sql reports? | 05:40 |
@preaction | perlbot ask | 05:40 |
perlbot | Don't ask to ask, just ask. | 05:40 |
wgGuest24 | lol | 05:41 |
wgGuest24 | it's been a few years since i've worked with webgui...if i remember correctly, it does page-level caching, correct? | 05:41 |
wgGuest24 | or does it now support object level caching? | 05:42 |
wgGuest24 | here's why i ask... | 05:42 |
wgGuest24 | i'd like to set up a page with a sql report that takes two parameters as input | 05:43 |
@preaction | if by page-level you mean "cache the output before it's sent to the user", then for certain things, yes, but only for Visitors | 05:43 |
@preaction | also, excepting Layouts, the caching is configurable | 05:44 |
wgGuest24 | interesting... | 05:44 |
@preaction | layouts have a 60-second burst protection cache | 05:44 |
@preaction | can't be disabled or configured | 05:44 |
wgGuest24 | so, ideally if the sql report is run with parameters that have been used in the past, then i'd like it to serve up the cached results | 05:45 |
wgGuest24 | if the parameters are different than what's been run, then i'd like the sql report to execute and serve up the results based upon the new parameters, but then cache the results for future use | 05:46 |
@preaction | that won't happen, no | 05:46 |
wgGuest24 | does that make sense? in essense, i'm trying to determine if it can be configured to support parameter level caching | 05:47 |
wgGuest24 | okay, so if caching is turned on, i should expect to see the previous results irregardless of the passed paramters? | 05:47 |
@preaction | for Visitors, probably | 05:48 |
wgGuest24 | yes, this would be for visitors | 05:48 |
wgGuest24 | okay, i guess that answers my question then... | 05:49 |
wgGuest24 | thanks | 05:49 |
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SDuensin | Morning. | 15:44 |
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@rizen | afternoon | 15:48 |
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AMH_bob | Coffee! | 16:05 |
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@bopbop | MrHairgrease: I'm working on Oqapi's success story. Out of curiosity, is there a reason the oqapi (okapi) was chosen for the company's name? Besides the fact that it can lick its own ears?... | 16:14 |
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