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| sany_ok | Hello | 14:03 |
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| sany_ok | how v8 dev is going on? | 14:03 |
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| cariveri | Hi. whats the standard approache to extend webgui with userdefined widgets ? php interface? | 18:25 |
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| @scrottie | hey sany_ok | 19:29 |
| @scrottie | got myself a bit overextended. I'm taking next quarter off of school so I can focus on this. physics and biology kicked my ass. | 19:29 |
| @scrottie | sorry for the lack of recent news. | 19:29 |
| @scrottie | trying to do classes at the same time was stupid. | 19:30 |
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| sany_ok | Hi Scrottie | 19:57 |
| sany_ok | How are you doing? | 19:57 |
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| @scrottie | WebGUI job in Tucson. | 00:54 |
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| SynQ | woot | 17:25 |
| SynQ | a new version :) | 17:26 |
| * SynQ eagerly waiting for webgui 8 :P | 17:26 | |
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| hesco | yowza scrottie. Not ath the keyboard much today. tightening things down in the garden ahead of the freeze coming in tonight. But I generally have this weechat client up 24/7. | 18:10 |
| hesco | I can review things when I have a moment to catch up. | 18:11 |
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| scrottie | heey | 01:59 |
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| @scrottie | hiya SynQ, hesco | 01:59 |
| @scrottie | 8 has been in progress on and off again for a while. a few months back, I fixed up the most serious admin bugs, which was the main stuff left stopping the show. | 02:00 |
| @scrottie | it's still pretty rough, but there's an installer now that worked on Debian at least pretty recently, and OSX, so if that works, it's a lot easier to install now than 7 is. | 02:00 |
| @scrottie | so, testing and feedback appreciated! I'm in limbo at the moment but I'll be back on again soon. | 02:01 |
| hesco | hey man. I won't have time to do much work with the tickets I pledged to for a couple of weeks, but if you have a debian package which installs webGUI, I'd be willing (and interested) in giving it a go. | 02:32 |
| @scrottie | not a debian package though there is a debian package of wG | 02:32 |
| @scrottie | wG7 | 02:32 |
| @scrottie | long story | 02:32 |
| @scrottie | just an installer script that supports Debian | 02:32 |
| @scrottie | it was doing CentOS but the latest release of CentOS broke even more stuff than the previous one | 02:33 |
| hesco | an installer? ok, I'd be willing to give an hour to see if I can make it work. You have a link? | 02:33 |
| @scrottie | serious moving target | 02:33 |
| @scrottie | https://raw.githubusercontent.com/AlliumCepa/webgui/master/installer/webgui_installer.pl | 02:34 |
| @scrottie | OSX too. that's the short version of the long story. I decided it would be easier to have one install script that knew how to do multiple systems than to try to create native packages for everything. people keep suggesting Docker too, as you saw, so I might also work on that. | 02:34 |
| hesco | my test will be in a docker container, as that is what I have available to me now. | 02:36 |
| @scrottie | I'll be interested to hear how that works. I little about Docker. | 02:36 |
| hesco | so you have no make file yet which manages releases? | 02:36 |
| hesco | are you familiar with fpm? | 02:36 |
| hesco | https://github.com/jordansissel/fpm/wiki | 02:37 |
| hesco | Effing package management! Build packages for multiple platforms (deb, rpm, etc) with great ease and sanity. | 02:38 |
| hesco | https://github.com/jordansissel/fpm | 02:38 |
| @scrottie | nope, not familiar | 02:39 |
| @scrottie | the various things like that that people have suggested have, after some inspection, not really been a fit | 02:40 |
| @scrottie | wG's installer does things like run wG upgrader scripts, install piles of perl modules, create mysql users and load databases | 02:41 |
| @scrottie | all of the stuff the installer does, the package manager would have to do. | 02:42 |
| @scrottie | maybe a portion of what the installer does could be pushed out to something like fpm. | 02:42 |
| hesco | fpm would be useful for building native .deb or .rpm packages. | 02:46 |
| hesco | long term, you want to write a make file with a release target which uses fpm under the hood to manage releases for you. | 02:47 |
| @scrottie | right. but there are simple rpm packages and there are rpm packages that bundle setup scripts that do a lot of custom stuff. | 02:47 |
| @scrottie | this would require the latter. | 02:47 |
| hesco | short term, I will stand up a docker container and test your installer with it. | 02:47 |
| hesco | understood | 02:47 |
| @scrottie | then the danger there is that FreeBSD, OSX, CentOS, Debian, all of which have post-install scripts like that, each have forks of those post-install scripts. | 02:48 |
| @scrottie | I'm not opposed to the basic idea. | 02:48 |
| @scrottie | I won't throw my full support behind it unless I can see that it won't far more work for me in the long term. and I'm also reluctant to change direction mid process. I'll probably ship this for the 8.0 release and then possibily do something later for 8.1. | 02:49 |
| @scrottie | if you're interested in prototyping that, please do! | 02:50 |
| hesco | For the moment, I'll stick with the two tickets I've pledged support for; and testing this installer to see if I can make it work for me. | 02:52 |
| hesco | Should an hour be enough time to make a go at it? | 02:52 |
| hesco | would that be an unrealistic test? | 02:52 |
| @scrottie | an hour is enough time for it to either blow up or install, though you might find that you have to take a few tries to navigate the options | 02:52 |
| @scrottie | the "few questions as possible" option is suitable for grand new installs where you don't care about it stepping on other things you have set up. | 02:53 |
| @scrottie | it still tries not, but it double checks less, which is fewer chances to pick the wrong option. | 02:57 |
| hesco | but if I do this in an isolated docker container, on a fesh install of the os, there should be nothing for it to step on, right? | 03:27 |
| hesco | that is how I will do this. | 03:27 |
| @scrottie | correct | 03:46 |
| @scrottie | afk, meeting | 04:25 |
| @scrottie | let's chat more later! | 04:25 |
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| hesco | how much ram ought I to allocate for a docker container running only webgui? | 21:34 |
| hesco | should 1gb be enough do you think? | 21:34 |
| hesco | scrottie: installer gets stuck at: E: Package 'chkconfig' has no installation candidate | 22:03 |
| hesco | never mind, I apparently am running ubuntu on this image. backing up, finding a debian base image and trying again. | 22:06 |
| hesco | or maybe I should hack on this and add ubuntu support. How crazy is that, outside of the scope creep and blowing my one hour time-box? | 22:08 |
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| @scrottie | oh man. I really can't say how hard it would be. | 01:47 |
| @scrottie | hopefully it would just be a matter of adding if/elses for Ubuntu to use its package manager to install the packages by the names Ubunutu uses. | 01:47 |
| @scrottie | but things like the layout of nginx config files and other things could be different too. | 01:47 |
| @scrottie | and also, it's a mess of if/else/gotos. searching through for 'apt-get' should show you everyting you have to modify but if it doesn't, then it's a log slog through the whole thing. | 01:48 |
| @scrottie | feel free to yell at me to add some modularity to that. OO backends for different systems could be a good refactor. | 01:49 |
| @scrottie | it probably makes sense to see it go on Debian before hacking at it too much. | 01:49 |
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| elnino | hello! anyone awake? | 06:48 |
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| @scrottie | hihi | 07:21 |
| @scrottie | sup? | 07:21 |
| @scrottie | ugh, you left already | 07:21 |
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| elnino | scrottie - you awake by any chance? | 07:28 |
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| hesco | the one-hour time box is already out the window, apparently. the ubuntu base-image I have been using for my docker containers provides a nice head start. The un-official, official debian base image has required some hacking about to put in place things I have take for granted in my use of the ubuntu image. | 21:33 |
| hesco | I'm offering myself another two hours down that path, before re-evaluating. | 21:33 |
| hesco | At that point, I'm open to a refactor of the installer to modularize the functionality you list above, so as to enable ubuntu support for the process, at which point I can try again with the installer test. | 21:35 |
| hesco | My client with the high-traffic site I wanted to use as a proof-of-concept for websui in our environment, called me this morning expressing interest in the idea. This time he initiated the conversation on that topic. I take that as a good sign. | 21:36 |
| hesco | I still have higher priority tickets between him and me, but it seems the path is clear once other priorities get resolved. (Know anyone who can help me debug a puppetdb installation, by any chance? That is my current stumblin block). | 21:37 |
| hesco | never mind on that. | 21:37 |
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| @scrottie | puppetdb... nope, don't know anyone. | 23:58 |
| @scrottie | sorry for erratic replies. visiting family. they talk a lot. | 23:58 |
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| hesco | Really did not think I would find puppetdb help in this channel, but you asked if there was anything I needed. | 14:56 |
| hesco | It was intended tongue-in-cheek, given the venue in which I asked the question | 14:56 |
| @scrottie | =P | 19:33 |
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| sany_ok | Hello, when are we going to see WGv8 release? | 18:50 |
| hesco | sany_ok: that is a scrottie question and I do not see him in the channel at the moment, but if you are patient and hang around here, he usually is here more days than not. | 18:58 |
| sany_ok | webgui.org is almost not updated to indicate any progress | 19:01 |
| sany_ok | Do you think we will eventually see wg8 release at all? | 19:01 |
| sany_ok | I mean your expectations | 19:02 |
| sany_ok | I guess the most time consuming release for WG ever | 19:02 |
| @scrottie | hi | 19:55 |
| @scrottie | not much progress recently. you're right. I hope to fix that soon. | 19:55 |
| @scrottie | I started taking some classes at the same time and they turned out to be more time consuming than I expected. sorry about that. no more classes until this is done. | 19:56 |
| @scrottie | installer support for OSX was the last thing I did. | 19:57 |
| sany_ok | Hi scrottie, are you working on getting a higher university degree ? | 19:59 |
| @scrottie | I don't have any university degree right now, but yes, credits go towards that. | 20:00 |
| sany_ok | I thought you had something like BS in CS | 20:00 |
| @scrottie | I took a year of classes back in 1997-98 | 20:01 |
| @scrottie | including some upper level computer science stuff. I already knew how to program. | 20:01 |
| sany_ok | a degree and java certs shall help you with a better job later | 20:01 |
| sany_ok | btw, dotnet goes to linux | 20:02 |
| @scrottie | I'm still a ways away from a degree but after the Kickstarter, I might go back to school again | 20:02 |
| @scrottie | the job market in Phoenix is terrible | 20:02 |
| sany_ok | the same is here | 20:02 |
| sany_ok | I work as an onsite RedHat + DB2 admin for $500/mo, it is ridiculous | 20:03 |
| sany_ok | while remote job brought at least $30/h | 20:03 |
| sany_ok | but onsite work sometimes takes me only a few hours a day | 20:04 |
| @scrottie | I usually make $40/hour when I have a remote gig but sometimes its many months between gigs | 20:04 |
| @scrottie | hey, so you have time to hack on fun projects | 20:04 |
| sany_ok | so after high load it stabilizes at the same $30/h | 20:04 |
| sany_ok | I generally use spare time to learn MS stack | 20:05 |
| sany_ok | and do actual coding on Saturday | 20:06 |
| sany_ok | it is legal and still saves me a lot of time | 20:06 |
| sany_ok | I have almost a whole week just to learn new tech like ASP.NET MVC5, etc. and then apply my skills on weekend | 20:07 |
| sany_ok | works very nice | 20:07 |
| @scrottie | cool | 20:07 |
| sany_ok | and stable since daily job is from government | 20:07 |
| @scrottie | I'm very tired of learning new things and only getting to use them once | 20:07 |
| @scrottie | learned AngularJS. it's out of fashion again already. used it for pay once. | 20:08 |
| @scrottie | same story for hundreds of things. | 20:08 |
| @scrottie | gets old. maybe I can go in to management. or learn COBOL. | 20:08 |
| sany_ok | Would not Java or Scale be better than Cobol? | 20:09 |
| sany_ok | Java already becomes legacy too and pays well | 20:10 |
| sany_ok | and more jobs | 20:10 |
| sany_ok | Scala (not Scale) | 20:10 |
| @scrottie | Scala is way better than COBOL, but COBOL doesn't change all of the time so I wouldn't have to learn new stuff all of the time. | 20:10 |
| sany_ok | good point | 20:10 |
| sany_ok | I am in my 36 years old find it hard to learn all new neat technologies | 20:11 |
| sany_ok | and prefer to work for hire only being an admin, especially linux admin which seems are stable as cobol, slow progress | 20:12 |
| sany_ok | IBM stack progresses slow too | 20:12 |
| sany_ok | as for development I prefer now to work only for my self to produce freeware | 20:12 |
| sany_ok | and if becomes popular I would be glad if it would become shareware | 20:13 |
| sany_ok | I have a BS in CS | 20:14 |
| sany_ok | graduated 13 years ago | 20:14 |
| @scrottie | CentOS changed again and I need to fix the installer to work with it | 20:16 |
| @scrottie | it can't find any of the ethernet cards in the system (intel e1000, 3c509) and they took away 'ifconfig'. I'm lost. | 20:17 |
| sany_ok | may be ifconfig -a ? | 20:18 |
| @scrottie | nope. 'ifconfig' is done. | 20:18 |
| @scrottie | gone | 20:18 |
| @scrottie | I mean | 20:18 |
| sany_ok | btw, I am Debian fan, and do RedHat just for food and taxi :) | 20:18 |
| @scrottie | no longer part of the system | 20:18 |
| sany_ok | I have ifconfig on RedHat 6 | 20:19 |
| @scrottie | hrm | 20:19 |
| sany_ok | Do you refer Centos 7 ? | 20:19 |
| @scrottie | maybe a bad install | 20:19 |
| @scrottie | no, CentOS is wretched | 20:19 |
| sany_ok | ifconfig is tooo canonical to disappear | 20:19 |
| sany_ok | may be you have to install it from yum | 20:20 |
| sany_ok | you can use apm.sh from | 20:21 |
| sany_ok | aulix.com/utils | 20:21 |
| sany_ok | the command: | 20:22 |
| @scrottie | I have to fix the ethernet cards before I can do much else. Was thinking of booting Knoppix and sticking a working kernel / modules on the thing. | 20:22 |
| sany_ok | http://pastebin.com/v97NZYKP | 20:23 |
| sany_ok | It is my package management util for Debian and Centos | 20:24 |
| beppu | http://www.unixmen.com/ifconfig-command-found-centos-7-minimal-installation-quick-tip-fix/ | 20:24 |
| sany_ok | simplifies many things | 20:24 |
| @scrottie | hi beppu | 20:24 |
| beppu | yum install net-tools | 20:24 |
| @scrottie | sadly, I don't have that system handy at the moment | 20:24 |
| beppu | scrottie: good morning, scrottie. | 20:24 |
| beppu | (redundant) | 20:24 |
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| hesco | scrottie: `man ip`, that seems to be replacing the deprecated ifconfig, had to catch up a bit for my work on hesco/weave project | 23:14 |
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| @scrottie | I'm too dumb to figure out the 'ip' command. | 20:33 |
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