WebGUI irc logs from: 2014-01.log

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sany_okHello, Please let me know where can I see the latest v8 git commits?19:11
sany_okAt https://github.com/plainblack/webgui/branches I see 2-3 months ago and about 2 years ago19:13
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tomsuitedhellow, is some actually here ?10:26
tomsuitedi just want to ask here, since internet is not very helpwell when trying to ask more complex things :p10:27
tomsuitedwhy are there dll's to download10:27
tomsuitedwhy are there NO dlls 10:27
tomsuitedi mean10:27
tomsuitedor are there ?10:27
tomsuitedi see webgui update and like 50 steps to update10:27
tomsuitedwhen i download it, i get all sort of files with perl etc10:27
tomsuitedare these to make the actual DLL files ?10:28
tomsuitedwhy go trough this incredible hassle ?10:28
tomsuitedand just put dlls of windows and or linux10:28
tomsuitedon the site10:28
tomsuitedjust an idea10:28
tomsuitedi may be looking at it the wrong way ? can some1 help10:28
tomsuited.10:28
tomsuited?10:28
haargwhat are you expecting DLL files?  what would you do with them?10:29
tomsuitedthe DLL files 10:32
tomsuitedis webgui not ?10:32
tomsuitedso when i replace them10:32
tomsuitedi would have updated webgui10:32
tomsuitedor not ?10:32
tomsuitedthat automatic installer 10:44
tomsuitedwith perl10:44
tomsuitedi dont get why i need to do this10:44
tomsuitedis this to create the dlls ?10:44
tomsuited? :(11:01
tomsuitednot the channel to ask stuff here i guess11:01
haargnone of your questions make any sense11:04
haargand it doesn't seem like you know what dll files are11:05
tomsuitedjust compiled programs11:14
tomsuitedthat you can use in your code11:14
tomsuitedi have a working webgui app11:14
tomsuitedi just want to update it 11:14
tomsuitedto the last version11:14
tomsuitednow its like 6.x.x11:14
xdangerwebgui is a perl program that you attach to your apache webserver11:15
xdangernot a windows program11:15
tomsuitedok11:15
xdangernothing to compile11:15
tomsuitedwhen you try it locally11:15
tomsuitedon your local pc11:15
tomsuitedi do it with Visual studio11:15
tomsuitedyou need to install webgui from scratch11:15
xdangerthat has nothing to do with webgui11:15
tomsuitedhm11:16
xdangerI'm not even sure if you can run it on windows. You'll need apache and mysql server and perl interpreter11:16
tomsuitedim most certain11:16
tomsuitedthat i can be done11:16
tomsuitedsince there is a server11:16
tomsuitedin my company11:16
tomsuitedsuccesfully running it11:16
tomsuitedbut its running 1 website with the last version11:17
tomsuitedand 111:17
tomsuitedwith the 6.4 version11:17
tomsuitedand i find this VERY trange11:17
tomsuitedcause i would think they usethe same WEBGUI files ?11:17
tomsuitedor is my reasoning wrong, then please telle11:18
xdangerI'm not sure what your reasoning is.11:18
tomsuitedthese 2 sites are on the same server11:18
tomsuited:)11:18
xdangerwebgui is upgraded by installing a newer version over the older version and running the upgrade scripts11:19
xdangerbut from 6.4.x it's going to be a little harder11:19
tomsuitedmm11:19
tomsuitedi had that impression11:19
xdangerI think you have to upgrade to the last 6.x.x version before goint to 7.x11:19
tomsuitedmanually ?11:19
xdangerI don't remember anymore if that is the case, 6.x was so long time ago11:20
xdangerwell you have to have some knowledge of linux and console stuff, but I could be as easy as extracting the files from tar archive and running few commands11:21
xdangerbut you probably will also need to upgrade your perl libraries or even your perl11:21
xdangerIf you are asking about dll, I'm asuming that you are not so familiar with the unix ideology adn would recommend that you hire a consultant that has some expertice on that field11:23
xdangersince webgui 6.4.0 was released in 4 March 2005, it's almost 9 year out of date...11:29
tomsuitedlol11:30
tomsuitedand just starting over11:30
tomsuitedis not an option ?11:30
tomsuitedmaybe a better one11:30
tomsuitedbut i dont get it11:31
tomsuitedthe other project11:31
tomsuitedwhich is up to date11:31
tomsuitedi can run fine in my visual studio11:31
tomsuitedi only installed an installer11:31
tomsuitedfrom webgui11:31
tomsuitedruntime11:31
tomsuitedi need to find a simple scheme11:32
tomsuitedin which is explained what is coupled to what11:32
xdangerare you sure your talking about the right webgui?11:32
xdangerthere is also http://www.visualwebgui.com which is not an opensource project11:33
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xdangerthis channel is for http://www.webgui.org, and has nothing to do with vistual studio11:34
xdangerhttp://www.visualwebgui.com/products/visual-web-gui/ really seems like better fit to your line of questioning11:36
tomsuitedomg11:53
tomsuitedis this totally different in fact ?11:53
tomsuitedso visual webgui12:02
tomsuiteduses other ways 12:02
tomsuitedthan the 'normal' webgui 12:02
tomsuitedto display it on the server ?12:02
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ckotilheh14:12
tomsuited?14:50
tomsuitedvisual webgui gives the dlls14:50
tomsuitedthat im looking for14:51
tomsuitedi wished it was all clear14:51
tomsuitedbut its not14:51
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ckotiltomsuited: this isn't the channel for visualwebgui16:18
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@scrottiewould now be a good time to talk about wG8?17:56
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haargscrottie: does it have dlls?18:14
@scrottiehaarg, no, I swear an oath on my the grave of my great, great, great, great grandfather that it does not  (ref http://slowass.net/~scott/pics/linda-scans/gils_rasmus_navelsaker_the_gr_gr_gr_grandfather_in_norway.jpg)18:19
@scrottiethought I have to say foobar2000.exe is the best music player out there, and when I actually need to create an MS Word document, I fire up winword.exe under wine also.  wine++18:20
@scrottieI want to try to sell wG to the boarder Perl audiance.  specifically, I want them to *fund* it.  I'm interested in people here's thoughts on that.18:24
@scrottieI'm sorry I didn't do this in my last year of unemployment, but I was having a smashing time building an advocacy organization and meeting with state and city politicians every day =)18:25
haargi'd be tempted to use foobar2000 via wine if i often listened to music via my laptop18:26
@scrottieI guess I could walk across the street to Long Wongs more often and listen to live music while I code >=)18:28
@scrottiewhat do you listen to then?18:28
@scrottie... except I'm not in Tempe at the moment.18:30
@scrottiewell, it's pretty quiet in here, but please ping me at scott@slowass.net if you'd like to chat about work needed to fix and finish wG8 and make it more of a direct upgrade path.18:44
@scrottieand get new user adoption going.  cripes.18:44
haargif i'm not on my desktop i generally use my phone for music18:46
@scrottieoh.18:46
haargi'm always around to share thoughts on backend stuff.  i've never had much use for a cms though so i'm not one to put forth a ton of effort.18:47
@scrottiethanks, haarg.  you're invaluable for those infrequent but really hard questions, actually.18:48
@scrottiethe Perl community has been trying to figure out how to gain more visibility.  several people in the community are acting as pundits for this.  Perl is having a lot of the same problems that wG is:  lack of new users, poor image (outdated, crufty, hard to use)18:50
@scrottiepeople who do startups in perl don't advertise the fact, so there's lack of visibility.  lack of killer apps in Perl so that doesn't draw people in.18:51
@scrottieI want to argue that Perl *needs* wG.  CMSes in other languages have done loads to drive adoption for those languages.  Wordpress, Drupal, etc bring people in to the language.18:51
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@scrottieand I want to Kickstarter this.18:52
@scrottieI want to try to get the Perl community to fund finishing danny_mk's reworked admin (which is awesome, and I'm trying to help him with it), my installer, a back-compat layer, performance upgrades (we made Alumni run about 4x as fast using HandlerSocket; I want to use more HS by default and I think I can make wG8 about 8 times as fast as it currently is)18:53
@scrottieI'm really interested in people willing to give me feedback on a written up proposal.18:54
@scrottieI need to sell wG to people to do this, so endorcements of wG as a CMS from people would be huge.18:55
@scrottiefeedback on the basic idea welcome.  and feedback on the goals.  and ideas for rewards.18:56
@scrottiewait, I think I already mentioned this.  crap.  I was talking about my octopus that runs wG.  I'm an idiot.18:56
@scrottiesorry for the spam.18:57
ckotili like idea of Wg8 gaining some traction18:57
ckotilfirst ive heard of it18:57
@scrottieckotil++18:57
ckotilkickstart would be interesting. tho i really dunno how many people would get behind it.18:57
@scrottieyeah, completely agreed.18:58
@scrottiethe only way it would go is if Matt Trout and a lot of the Perl old guard helped promote the idea.18:58
@scrottieso I've been writing a lot of emails to try to feel them out and get buy in before I do it.18:58
ckotilwg8, the cms that saves perl, sure does have a nice ring to it18:59
@scrottie"wG7, the CMS that sucks a lot less than the ones in Python and PHP" would be a really good start in that quest.19:00
@scrottieI have some war stories but I want some more (HI EVERYONE!)19:00
ckotilit's worked out very well for my group19:00
ckotilsurviving TWO rounds of re-assessment19:00
ckotilturns out there just isnt anything out there as flexible and feature rich as wg719:01
@scrottietalking to Perl people, they're skeptical (cynical?) that anyone ever used wG or that it's any good at all.  things have to be mindblowly awesome in a high tech nerdy way before they give a rats ass about it.19:01
@scrottieckotil, would you be willing to send a brief writeup with whatever specifics you can to me at scott@slowass.net?19:01
ckotilsure19:02
@scrottiethank you19:02
@scrottieone thing doing for this project is I don't have babies so I can work cheap (apologies to people who do have babies).19:02
@scrottiehrm, I need corporate sponsors.19:06
ckotilhow come PB has seeminly dropped this?19:07
@scrottiehere's the saga19:08
@scrottiePB was paying one guy to do wG819:08
@scrottiethey had a full time staffer working on this for a year and a half19:08
@scrottiethis staffer, like all of the PB staffers, was smart and motivated, but he seemed to have a really hard time not opening more cans of worms19:09
@scrottieI spent a week fixing as much stuff as I could in the wG8 admin and took it from mostly broken to mostly working in one week.19:09
@scrottielooking at the code, it was pretty obvious that he had built stuff that works, but just wasn't quite happy with the feature set so he kept adding to it and never called it done.19:10
@scrottieI think that was a pattern for the whole thing.19:10
@scrottieno major version release tried to do even half as much stuff.19:10
ckotilah, ok . that makes sense. i followed the progress of that. even tried some builds of wg819:11
@scrottiethe other half is consulting work died off19:11
@scrottiePB just didn't have as many new clients coming in, I think related to the lack of releases 19:12
@scrottieand the install process and other things made wG less and less competative19:12
@scrottieas clients dropped off (some major gov clients had orders from above to standardize on other systems, for example), no new clients were taking their place19:13
@scrottieso there was no income to pay for wG8 development19:13
ckotilaww19:13
@scrottielong overdue major version + lack of client interest + lack of money = scrapped project19:13
ckotilyeah i noticed the decline. at one point PB had a few large .gov clients19:13
ckotilther was one other group at my university using WG. but they jumped ship too19:13
@scrottieyeah.  they knew for a long time that those could go away at any time.19:14
@scrottiewG not being mainstream enough has serious hurt it in gov and institutional use.  no one can re-evaluate its use and not ask if maybe they shouldn't be using something more mainstream.19:14
@scrottieso the only option is to take it more mainstream.19:14
haargi have mixed feelings about the Moose integration in 8.  some parts were definitely an improvement.  but it probably went rather too far into meta land.  and unfortunately it was my first in depth use of Moose.19:14
haargthe best part about it was also the part that was the largest compatibility break though19:15
@scrottiehaarg, agreed.  I'd like to rework and simplify some of that but I think things user see (install process in particular, and the admin) need to happen first.19:15
haargthe install process always bothered me19:16
@scrottieyeah.  and I already picked your brain a bit about a compat shim and I want to talk about that more.  it wouldn't be perfect but 75% is way more than we have now.19:16
@scrottieI spent a lot of time working on my installer.  it targets Debian and RedHat/CentOS.  I need to add OSX support but I'm OSX ignorant.19:17
haargonce i had wgdev it bothered me a lot less though.  but that's coming from the perspective of someone used to building perl and perl modules.19:17
@scrottieI need to finish that and merge it in, unless soemone can talk me out of it.  it uses system packages and system package managers.19:18
haargi can probably help some with os x.  i don't imagine it would be too difficult.19:18
@scrottiecool.  yeah, even holding my hand a bit now and then while I try to make it work on my Mac would be awesome.19:18
haargwhile os x doesn't have a system package manager, it could probably just require you to install homebrew19:19
@scrottiegist.github.com/2973558 if you're curious19:19
haarganyone running it on os x would almost certainly be a developer and already have some of the stuff19:19
@scrottieabsolutely19:19
@scrottiehttps://gist.github.com/scrottie/2973558#file-webgui_installer-pl in particular19:20
@scrottieI need to modularize that a bit and make method calls into multiple backends to get rid of the if/else madness.  but I'll worry about that later.19:22
ckotilscrottie: i have a clean base centos6 box doing nothing19:23
ckotilill run throug hthis sometime19:23
@scrottieckotil, it looks like I haven't touched that it two years, but fixes are absolutely welcome.  feel free to fork it or send me diffs or whatever.19:23
ckotilsure thing19:24
@scrottieI started with someone else's installer script but I don't remember who at the moment.  if that's you, my apologies.  I just kind of took it and ran with it~19:24
ckotili have a couple buddies who are starting a techincal blog and asked me to write up something. i was going to write up a guide on mapnik/mod_tile/tilestash install19:24
ckotilcould do a wg8 install too 19:24
ckotilnah wasnt me. but i should be able to add improvements19:25
@scrottiewell, if the installer works, you'll have a wg8 install ;)  it pulls from the master branch of github.19:26
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xdangermy "installer" https://gist.github.com/xvaara/2318748 it works with few changes on mac/homebrew ;)00:10
xdangerwell that was for wg800:12
ckotilscrottie installer is hanging at the git checkout step. i need to dig into why.00:17
ckotilbut up until that point is pretty awesome00:17
@scrottiexdanger++00:19
xdangerthere is no need to install the perl libs system wide, just cpanm them to a extlib directory ;)00:20
xdangerno need to be root00:21
xdangerI could write you a Dockerfile for webgui tommorrow ;)00:21
@scrottieneeds root or sudo to install system packages on CentOS/RedHat/Debian.00:21
@scrottieI don't know what a Dockerfile is, but okay!00:22
ckotilis it that easy to write a docker/00:22
@scrottieoh.00:22
@scrottieyeah, I could just make an ISO, too.00:22
xdangerDocker is linux container management from dotcloud (now docker inc)00:23
@scrottiesuper.00:23
xdangermaybe chef/puppet files also?00:23
@scrottiecripes.00:23
@scrottiewhen there are more container systems than operating systems you're supporting, isn't that a bit silly?00:24
@scrottiebut sure.00:24
@scrottiethe more the better.00:24
@scrottieas long as I don't have to do it =P00:24
xdangerDocker is nice since it's not virtualized, it boots up in few ms and is versioned00:24
@scrottieI'm old.  I remember when software came as a tar.Z and it compiled on Solaris, Ultrix, IRIX, and AIX (if you were really lucky) using nothing more than a make file.00:24
@scrottiecool!00:25
@scrottieI'm reluctant to tell people they have to go install 3rd party stuff first when I can just script installing system packages, but a lot of people probably prefer this Docker thing of which I know not of.00:25
@scrottieand I was hoping to nail down FreeBSD/CentOS/Debian/OSX with the same installer script, but I'm not keen to maintain all of the quirks in there either.00:26
@scrottiewhatever works.  if that's the way to do it, let's do it.00:26
xdangerthink you want to install RT for example, https://github.com/nickstenning/dockerfiles/blob/master/rt/Dockerfile00:27
@scrottiehell no I don't00:27
@scrottieRT blows goats00:27
xdangertrue00:28
@scrottiethat looks pretty cool though00:28
@scrottieI don't see examples in there of installing deps, I don't think, though...?00:28
@scrottieeg Percona00:29
xdangerthey are in the image that they start with00:29
@scrottieoh.  right.  container.00:29
@scrottieI'm also not eager to take on the task of maintaining something like the WRE.00:30
xdangeryeah... 00:30
xdangerlately I've done things with Dancer and I allways use perlbrew/local libs, plack/starman00:31
xdangerjust much easier that trying to do simple things with webgui00:31
@scrottieyeah.00:31
@scrottieI'd still like to thorougly modularize wG.00:31
xdangerand I'm hesitant to start anything big on webgui anymore00:31
xdangerMe too00:32
@scrottieyeah.00:32
xdangerwebgui is too bloated00:32
xdangerneeds a clean start almost00:32
@scrottieI disagree.  I'm with Joel on Software on that one.00:32
@scrottiehttp://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000069.html00:33
xdangeryeah, thats why I said _almost_00:33
@scrottieheh00:34
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@scrottieand 8 cleans stuff up a *lot*00:34
xdangersure does00:34
xdangerIt would have been so nice to have 8 about 2 years ago in production00:34
@scrottieyeah.00:34
xdangerthat's about when I "jumped ship" and stoped doing new projects on webgui00:35
@scrottieany hope for wG is with the next generation.00:35
@scrottiethe people who don't realize how bad this WordPress security and architecture garbage is because they don't know better.00:36
xdangeryeah, I'd hate to see webgui go even further in to the abyss00:37
xdangerand I like a lot of things in webgui00:37
@scrottiedid you see danny_mk's UI?00:38
@scrottieer admin UI?00:38
@scrottiehttp://slowass.net/~scott/danny_mk_wg8_demo.ogv00:38
@scrottieoops, http://slowass.net/~scott/tmp/danny_mk_wg8_demo.ogv00:39
xdangerno, I haven't seen that... If I remember correctly I tested some git repo of that and it was broken..00:41
@scrottieit's kinda rough00:41
@scrottiethat's what I'm excited about though, aside from the installer which is really important but not that interesting unto itself.00:42
xdangeris that ui working in some branch/repo?00:42
@scrottiekind of.00:43
@scrottiehttps://github.com/dannymk/webgui00:43
@scrottieyou have to change the template to add the JS for the admin and the button to turn on the admin00:44
@scrottieand work on the admin is on a hurdle.  all of the WebGUI::Form stuff needs to be ported to JS so that it can render forms independently and operate as a JS app/AJAX app/whatever.00:44
@scrottieI wanted to cheat but danny_mk is being a purist about it.00:44
@scrottieso settings, asset properties, and other things won't have admin screens until that's working.00:45
@scrottieI can get you a package of the cryxtalx template if you like.  I'd just have to fire everything up and export it.00:46
xdangerError while loading /data/tmp/webgui/app.psgi: Can't locate object method "get_package_symbol" via package "Package::Stash" at lib/WebGUI/Deprecate.pm line 74.00:50
xdangerMaybe I'll debug that tommorrow, it's almost 1am here00:51
@scrottieieee00:51
xdangerFinland =)00:51
@scrottiewooohoo00:51
xdangerI hear North America has more snow than we do :(00:51
xdangerI should be the other way around00:52
@scrottieNorth America is kinda big00:52
@scrottieI'm in Texas at the moment.  it's a little above freezing.  doesn't usually snow here.00:52
xdangerwe have no snow at the moment =(00:52
@scrottiebut it's still colder here than usual.00:52
xdangerusually there is like 20cm of snow this time of year00:52
@scrottieI'm looking forward to skiing when I'm back in Arizona00:53
xdangerhere it's warmer than usual, over 0 deg celcius00:53
@scrottienorthern Arizona has mountains.  New Mexico too.00:53
@scrottiehrm00:53
@scrottieit looks like get_package_symbol needs to be changed to get_symbol00:54
@scrottieetc00:54
@scrottieAPI change.00:54
xdangerbut on friday it should start freezing, and on saturday -13C00:55
xdangerlike 8F ?00:55
@scrottiethat's what Google says and I don't know any better ;)00:56
xdanger=D00:56
@scrottiethat's pretty nippy00:56
xdangernormal for our winter... 00:56
@scrottieI was up in Minnesota visiting family recently and they were down to -18F00:56
@scrottie*usually* doesn't get that cold there00:57
xdangernormal is 30- -4F00:57
xdangerlast winters coldest day was about -40F00:58
@scrottieshiiii..00:58
xdangerand we still go to school/work/get shit done/planes fly/etc ;)00:59
@scrottiedanny and I are out of sync right now01:00
@scrottiehrm01:00
@scrottieI could push a fix up to my branch01:00
@scrottieer clone01:00
xdangerWe always laugh at people in central europe when a snow storm hits them... everything shuts down =) I imagine it's like that with you and canadians ;)01:00
@scrottiesome places get an inch of snow and shut down.  other places get a meter and keep going.01:01
@scrottieIowa is used to getting a lot of snow.  depends what you're used to.01:01
xdangerscrottie: I'l go to sleep now, tommorrow I'll hit you up with an email and try to remember to watch this channel =)01:01
@scrottiecool01:01
@scrottiesleep well, and good to chat01:01
xdangeryeah, good to know someone is still caring about wg01:02
xdangerdon't want it to wither away01:03
* scrottie gives a tip of the imaginary hat01:03
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