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04:51 < CIA-48> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r457652f / docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.6.35-7.7.17.pl : Make better diagnostics for Revert use packed. - http://bit.ly/cFMSJM
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16:29 < SDuensin> Blah.
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18:42 < ckotil> Has tehre been any progress adding/editing/updating file assets from within the richeditor?
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19:11 <+perlDreamer> according to patspam's facebook, he got his VISA yesterday!
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21:53 < carogray> hi - why and where would you use two ; in a snippet?
21:54 < carogray> that is two semicolons
21:58 <@Haarg> semicolons don't do anything special in snippets, it depends on what the snippet is used for
22:00 <@Haarg> macros are the only thing that snippets handle but they are processed pretty much the same as anywhere else in the system.
22:04 < carogray> Diona sent me (through rfe) some code for a snippet http://webgui.pastebin.com/d6ced3cc I am wondering what the double semicolons are doing
22:07 <@Haarg> the first one is part of the macro call
22:08 <@Haarg> the second is part of the query string in the link
22:11 < carogray> aha. ok thanks,I just wasn't sure. 
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23:19 < carogray> I need a refresher on templating language. I want to create intro txt for different variables depending on whether the variable is there or not. I have one for two variables, http://webgui.pastebin.com/m79278219, but what how do I do tmpl_if s if  want it to say," if created is filled in, say 'created:'" "if updated is filled in, say 'updated:'", "if revised is filled in say, 'revised'", if deleted is filled in say, 'deleted:'" etc. so 
23:20 < carogray> is this one of those things we could use tmpl expressions that someone at the WUC was talking about where we could use Case statements - vague memory....
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03:02 < CIA-48> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r5ba8eb4 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Autocommit tags created when making shortcuts in the Gallery (cross publishing). Fixes bug #11378 - http://bit.ly/9qZ7W5
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04:37 < CIA-48> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r046ef0f / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/DataForm.pm : Update POD. - http://bit.ly/c3Lo4D
04:41 < CIA-48> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rfb49a14 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Update POD. - http://bit.ly/9ziKIE
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06:56 < elnino> is there a secret in being able to search for "blog.rss" on the asset search?
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16:51 <+bartjol> perlDreamer: you know whether there is a function to delete old, committed version tags to clean up tables and have a "fresh" restart? I don believe it is default functionality, but maybe you?e heard of something like it
16:51 <+perlDreamer> wgd will do it
16:51 <+perlDreamer> wgd reset --clear, perhaps?
16:51 <+bartjol> ah, cool
16:52 <+bartjol> dunno, I only have it installed on my laptop, which is at home
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16:52 <+bartjol> let? use my testserver, thanks
16:53 <+perlDreamer> yes, it is --clear
16:54 <+perlDreamer> wgd reset --clear
16:54 <+perlDreamer> or wgd reset -d will also do it, since -d  is --backup --clear --debug --upgrade --uploads
16:54 <+perlDreamer> but it will nuke everything below /home
16:55 <+perlDreamer> oh -d also has --import
16:55 < SDuensin> Morning.
16:57 <+bartjol> ah, I don wanna throw everything away
16:57 <+bartjol> morning
16:58 <+bartjol> let? test a clear then
16:58 <+bartjol> grrr keyboard settings
16:59 < CIA-48> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rfc096d2 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Template.pm): Fix bad path to a YUI JS library. Fixes bug #11387 - http://bit.ly/9oXaPR
16:59 < CIA-48> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r3570411 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Template.pm): Fix bad path to a YUI JS library. Fixes bug #11387 - http://bit.ly/d2JjVt
16:59 <+perlDreamer> Hey, SD.
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17:15 <+bartjol> mm that clear options sounds rigorous, I don wanna remove content. glad that I rtfm'd
17:16 <+perlDreamer> bartjol, there's always Manage Committed Version Tags, from the Version Tags admin console option
17:16 <+perlDreamer> tha will let you delete committed content, too
17:16 <+perlDreamer> but only one at a time
17:17 <+bartjol> mm and you have to check each version tag, whether it has got the newest version, and then have to preserve that
17:20 <+perlDreamer> they're listed in order of commit date, so just from top down
17:22 <+bartjol> I I think I explained incorrectly. I wanna freeze the site as is (so keeping all current content and open version tags), but remove old versions of assets
17:23 <+perlDreamer> oh...
17:23 <+bartjol> this function clears to much
17:23 <+perlDreamer> hm
17:24 <+perlDreamer> have a look at wgd reset --purge
17:24 <+bartjol> the purge sounds nice, it calls purge_old_revisions, but I also can call you Sue
17:24 <+bartjol> let? read some code
17:27 <+perlDreamer> you can call me Betty, and I'll call you Al
17:28 <+perlDreamer> although, given current circumstances, I'd probably call you Bob the Builder
17:28 <+bartjol> mmm
17:28 <+bartjol> did make some water piping, put it all in the wall and covered the holes up again this weekend
17:29 <+bartjol> so more tiling coming up soon
17:35 < SDuensin> perlDreamer: Thanks.  Now that is stuck in my head.
17:36 <+bartjol> I have some tools against that SDuensin, crowbars, sledgehammers, etc
17:36 <+bartjol> I? not threatening, I want to help you
17:37 < SDuensin> Me too - Radio Margaritaville!
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18:17 < CIA-48> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r4089e39 / t/Asset/permissions.t : Peel out permissions testing from t/Asset/Asset.t into a separate test. - http://bit.ly/bryOCR
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18:58 < chatito28> Good morning i have a quick question, my site get really stop at ramdom times, the only way to speed it up to normal when this happens is by restarting all modperl service, does anybody has any ideas?
18:58 < chatito28> i have tweak the modperl.conf to add more servers
18:59 < chatito28> i see no errors or nothing that can give me any hints
19:00 < ckotil> Any progress on mounting a network drive to your PC then drag and drop assets into webgui?
19:10 <+perlDreamer> ckotil, that would be WGFS, and it just needs a programmer to take the prototype code and finish it
19:10 <+perlDreamer> chatito28, adding more servers won't always help, especially if you run out of memory
19:11  * perlDreamer heads to the gym, and will be back later
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19:35 < chatito28> perldreamer i would understand that but i have more than enough memory plus when i check the current use when this event happens and it's got plenty to use.
19:42 < chatito28> i made a change in modperl.conf as instructed by tech support by should i make the change in modproxy.conf as well?
19:46 < ckotil> perlDreamer: Interesting. is the prototype code available to public on teh dev site?
19:48 <@Haarg> ckotil, http://github.com/plainblack/wgfs
19:48 <@Haarg> chatito28, making a similar change the modproxy config is unlikely to have any effect
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19:53 < ckotil> thanks
19:54 < ckotil> i hackishly did something similiar a while ago. apache webdav + cronjob to import assets. the resulting implementation wasn't fast enough for people to use
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21:24 < SquOnk> Greetings
21:24 < SquOnk> Typo in sbin/userImport  "overriden"
21:32 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: Typo in sbin/userImport  "overriden"
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22:36 <+perlDreamer> SquOnk, surely someone with git access could fix that? :)
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23:45 <+perlDreamer> so it turns out that if you have a dataform on a Page, that it serves up the same CAPTCHA multiple times
23:46 <@preaction> nice
23:46 <@preaction> i will work on bugs, but i have to do support first
23:47 <+perlDreamer> and I don't see any way around it, without compromising the Slashdot/burst protection
23:47 <+perlDreamer> you have to instanciate all the assets in order to query them
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01:08 < dionak> perlDreamer, I see you expanded the SiteIndex test. Thanks for getting that feature incorporated into core. 
01:08 <+perlDreamer> you're welcome.  The SiteIndex should not be displaying hidden pages
01:08 <+perlDreamer> by default, anyway
01:09 <+perlDreamer> and using the config file like you suggested is a nice way to grandfather in the old behavior
01:09 <@Haarg> i wish mod_rewrite would let you return specific http codes instead of just some of them
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01:10 < dionak> i'm glad that worked out. how did you do on your recent campaign to get some help with writing tests?
01:10 <+perlDreamer> Luke Robinson from the UK has written several.
01:10 <+perlDreamer> Bart Jol wrote a couple
01:11 <+perlDreamer> I gave away about 5000 karma in December and January
01:11 <+perlDreamer> but earned it all back doing forum postings and bug fixes
01:11 < dionak> you probably have a lot. ;)
01:11 < dionak> plenty enough to give some away
01:11 <+perlDreamer> would you like to earn some? :)
01:12 < dionak> I thought I was earning it already. ;)
01:13 < dionak> I'd like to say yes but it doesn't look like I'm going to have any spare time in the near future. We're looking to add a developer these days and I'm working on internet marketing in addition to other duties.
01:14 < dionak> Btw, did I tell you the site you helped us with is live?
01:14 <+perlDreamer> No, that's great!
01:14 < dionak> www.mcpolymers.com
01:14 <+perlDreamer> I still think rap music when I read that
01:14 < dionak> the application and market pages are driven by Thingy
01:14 < dionak> lol
01:14 < dionak> you just dated yourself. 
01:15 < dionak> as did I
01:16 < dionak> Back to tests, I just keep submitted as I have been...as I'm working on something 
01:16 < dionak> I have our developers do the same
01:19 <+perlDreamer> I've been working on WebGUI 8, and the tests have been invaluable
01:19 <+perlDreamer> they also point out that there's still a lot of untested code in the core
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01:22 < dionak> It's helpful to have examples, from this point of view, so we can create tests and submit. 
01:22 < dionak> Generally, I'm basing tests on what is already in the codebase. 
01:23 < dionak> btw, carogrey is using a package I made out of some code for a site. Basically, it's a 'send to a friend' email feature. Is that a feature in WebGUI atm? She's exposed an issue that occurs when the PageTitle macro is called in admin mode. It returns a href instead of the page title. 
01:24 < dionak> I'm wondering if that package is now a feature. 
01:25 < dionak> As a content manager, she's loving the feature. 
01:25 <@preaction> dionak: post it as an RFE if it's not already, if you guys can do it we can put it in 7.9
01:26 < dionak> k
01:27 < dionak> any idea why the page title returns a href tho?
01:30 < dionak> there's already a RFE. http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/10969
01:31 < dionak> Should I reopen or create a new one?
01:34 <+perlDreamer> I read that RFE, and I don't understand what the problem is
01:35 <+perlDreamer> it sounds like there are different problems
01:35 <@preaction> probably because it's a retarded macro
01:35 <+perlDreamer> in one, PageTitle returns an href whenever an op or func is active
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01:36 < dionak> yes, which is odd considering the name of the macro
01:36 <+perlDreamer> and in the other one, she wants some kind of email this page to a friend feature
01:36 <@preaction> and of course the code has no reason WHY it's returned as a link, so we can't fix it
01:36 <@preaction> ...
01:36 <@preaction> i can't wait for WebGUI 9
01:37 < dionak> 9?
01:37 <+perlDreamer> why not change it in 7.9?
01:37 <@preaction> yes, the one after 8 where i get to change everything to do exactly what I want it to do
01:37 < dionak> lol
01:37 <@preaction> perlDreamer: because I don't know why it is the way it is
01:37 <@preaction> someone must be relying on this behavior, or had at one point
01:38 <@preaction> for some people who write webgui code, documentation is to explain what, but never why
01:38 <+perlDreamer> it's from 2002
01:38 <@preaction> i don't need to know what, the code tells me what
01:39 <@preaction> which means for 8 years people have been relying on this feature. if we "fix" it, people will consider their code that broke a bug
01:39 < dionak> this is why tests are so critical.
01:40 < dionak> not to mention "why" in documentation. you have a good point there
01:40 <+perlDreamer> it guess it's a nice feature for using in an email, since that's usually handled by an op or func
01:40 <+perlDreamer> but I would guess that no one uses that feature
01:40 <@preaction> we can't guess
01:41 <@preaction> if we were guessing, i'd agree. it's an esoteric and completely useless feature
01:46 <+perlDreamer> it would be nice to have more "why" and less "how and what" in our POD
01:46 <+perlDreamer> dionak++
01:47 <+perlDreamer> dionak: would ^Page('title'); work instead of ^PageTitle(); ?
01:48 < dionak> yes, that would help in this case
01:48 <+perlDreamer> that only ever returns the title, without any of the funny href business
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01:48 < dionak> would you like me to make an RFE for that?
01:51 <@preaction> for which?
01:51 <+perlDreamer> for changing the behavior of the PageTitle macro, or for putting in an Send this Page's URL to a friend
01:52 <@preaction> for the documentation thing, well, you're not going to change the dozen devs we have with an RFE
01:53 < dionak> for passing in the string title to the PageTitle macro to change the behavior (return just the title).
01:53 <@preaction> ugh. ugh ugh ugh.
01:53 < dionak> it still doesn't address the long term issue
01:53 <@preaction> i say new RFE: Remove the PageTitle macro
01:53 < dionak> but it would address the current issue
01:53 < dionak> lo
01:53 < dionak> l
01:53 < dionak> let's not. ;)
01:54 < dionak> it's very useful.
01:54 <@preaction> i mean, we have ^Page("title"); works fine
01:54 <+perlDreamer> and in TT, we could even have page.title
01:54 <@preaction> indeed
01:55 <+perlDreamer> and then we can do page.session.db.dbh.write('delete from myDatabase')
01:55 <@preaction> in TT i have plans to phase out macros completely for an alternative, but later
01:55 <@preaction> yeah, not that
01:55 <@preaction> DO YOU NOT TRUST ME?
01:55 < dionak> oh, so I just need to change to Page('title')
01:55 <+perlDreamer> yes
01:55 <@preaction> no altering anything permanent in templates
01:55 <@preaction> bad juju
01:56 <@preaction> and if you need a SQL query, we have SQLReport, included via [INCLUDE assetId(whatever)]
01:57 < dionak> ok, i'll try that tomorrow. In the sql report, would params still be passed through?
01:58 <@preaction> in my perfect world, no
01:58 < dionak> hm. 
01:58 <+perlDreamer> why not, preaction?
01:58 < dionak> we would need someway to pass them. 
01:58 <@preaction> because form params are for the page you're currently on
01:58 < dionak> the sql report would be on that page, no?
01:58 <+perlDreamer> I think he means Page Layout, versus SQL Report
01:59 <@preaction> right, i mean like how AssetProxy works, like on a style template
01:59 <+perlDreamer> it's back to the Asset focus debate
01:59 <@preaction> right
01:59 <@preaction> the pn=3 problem
01:59 <+perlDreamer> exactly
02:00 <+perlDreamer> which is why we now have really ugly pn query param names
02:00 <+perlDreamer> people want the Page Layout to "frame" content transparently, instead of including it
02:00 <@preaction> but people also want to include content and have form parameters affect it
02:00 <@preaction> yay!
02:01 < dionak> i see your challenge
02:01 <@preaction> heh, that's an EASY challenge: one people get what they want, other do not.
02:02 < dionak> yes, i see. not passing params would break some of our sites. 
02:02 < dionak> like midwest heart
02:02 < dionak> but if there was an alternative, it could be implemented. 
02:03 < dionak> part of our challenge is avoiding having to create many pages for a functionality. 
02:03 < dionak> it increases costs
02:03 < dionak> that's one of the benefits we are receiving from params being passed through
02:03 < dionak> benefit = reduced development cost
02:04 < dionak> but that might be minimal depending on the details. will have to give it some thought. 
02:04 <@preaction> again in my perfect world it would be easier to develop for webgui, as it would all be based on a common Perl ORM (DBIx::Class) and there would be helper methods that could take queries and build templates for you
02:05 <@preaction> i've started this project at http://github.com/preaction/modern-webgui
02:06 < dionak> i'm struck by the very few requirements
02:06 < dionak> is that just b/c it is newly created?
02:06 <@preaction> well, it also requires WebGUI
02:07 <@preaction> those are just the extra requirements
02:07 <@preaction> but as i reimplement the rest of the webgui stack, i imagine many requirements will go away
02:07 < dionak> 'just' is always a red flag for me. ;)
02:08 <@preaction> mainly because templates aren't a plugin point anymore, and other stuff. using best-of-breed stuff to do things (because they didn't exist when webgui was initially created)
02:08 < dionak> i'll be interested to hear what you discover. are you doing this on your own or as part of PB R&D?
02:09 <@preaction> personal project, which is why it's taking so long
02:09 <@preaction> i've got an almost-reimplemented WebGUI asset
02:09 <@preaction> it's just got a couple bugs before it can be released
02:09 <@preaction> but it's compatible with 7.x and when 8.x is released it will be compatible with that too
02:09 < dionak> interesting..
02:09 <@preaction> that or there will be a WebGUI::Content handler to load WebGUIx::Assets
02:15 < dionak> it's getting late here. Thanks for the conversation and pointer. Talk to you guys soon. 
02:16 <+perlDreamer> time for me to cook dinner, bbiaw for 7.8 release
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02:56 <@preaction> and why in nether hell do we have a PerlSetVar WebguiRoot in the apache config IF IT IS NOT USED IN preload.perl?
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05:49 < elnino> no no no!
05:50 < elnino> I had a style sheet, that I was reordering so it was at the top, and then it's order number became "null" and I thought, if I cut it, and paste it back it would get a "order number" and now it's gone from existance....
06:06 < elnino> if I edit it, it's in lala land. Not even under root.
06:09 < elnino> now I can't even add anything to that folder.. If I reindex..... what would happened?
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06:23 <@preaction> elnino: if you "rebuildLineage.pl" (from /data/WebGUI/sbin) it should fix it
06:24 < elnino> k I'll try that. I've always reordered things before, I'm a bit surprised this happened. Of course, I can probably never duplicate it either.
06:24 < elnino> thanks preaction, I'll try it soon here...
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06:28 < elnino> pretty small groups online lately. Is there a holiday going on that I'm missing?
06:29 < CIA-48> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r636d539 / docs/create.sql : Preparing for 7.8.11 release. - http://bit.ly/cLPuuh
06:32 <+perlDreamer> no, I think people are too busy to hang out on IRC
06:32 <+perlDreamer> elnino, did you see the post on the etc forum from the guy wanting help making a webgui site?
06:32 < elnino> no.
06:33 < elnino> I"ll look though. Thanks perlDreamer!
06:34 <+perlDreamer> http://www.webgui.org/forums/design/under-the-gun---help-needed#idotMeSy3AtaomBcII2jnSNg
06:34 <+perlDreamer> not etc, design
06:37 < elnino> hmm. is there a way to email this person? I really don't want to put my email up either.. =(
06:38 < elnino> oh never mind. found the private messaging.
06:39 < CIA-48> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * re3cbb27 / sbin/testEnvironment.pl : Fix typo in module name. - http://bit.ly/dqmlHb
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06:45 < elnino> oh this is sad.. I ran the reindex. The style sheet is in my clipboard, and when I try to paste, it barfs.
06:45  * elnino looks at log files.
06:46 <+perlDreamer> good idea :)
06:48 < elnino> nothing.. weird.
06:48 <+perlDreamer> what's the log level?
06:48 < elnino> error.
06:48 <+perlDreamer> might need to set it to warn, or info and try again
06:48 < elnino> I finally split up all my log files so that I could see better.
06:48 <+perlDreamer> which version?
06:48 < elnino> 7.7.28
06:49 <+perlDreamer> that's pretty new
06:51 < elnino> well, now I have a fatal.. setting logs to warn gives me fatal errors? or there must be a delay in reporting....
06:51 < elnino>  WebGUI::SQL::ResultSet::execute[137] - Couldn't execute prepared statement: update asset set state='published', stateChangedBy='DQAOfECMOVnAVP6wbu07Lw', stateChanged=1265172620 where assetId in () : With place holders: .  Root cause: You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near ')' at line 1
06:52 < elnino> weird, and I have now a bunch of warns from past dates.. - is that what is supposed to happen>?
06:53 <+perlDreamer> no, that's not supposed to happen
06:53 <+perlDreamer> and that happens when you try to paste the style template
06:53 < elnino> then I'm defaintely seeing things.
06:54 < elnino> it's a snippet. And it stops in the middle of "pasting style.css" in the asset manager. (does that make sense?)
06:55 <+perlDreamer> yes
06:55 <+perlDreamer> that's the Progress Bar screen
06:58 <+perlDreamer> that error is coming from publish sub, it shouldn't ever happen
06:59 <+perlDreamer> there should be at least 1 assetId (self)
06:59 <+perlDreamer> well, okay, maybe there's a bad condition
07:00 < elnino> I wish I could duplicate it.  
07:00 <+perlDreamer> you can't?
07:00 < elnino> no..
07:00 < elnino> it was weird.
07:00 <+perlDreamer> so it did paste in the end
07:00 < elnino> nope, it's still in the clipboard forever.
07:00 <+perlDreamer> can you cut and paste it again?
07:01 <+perlDreamer> ah, if it's still in the clipboard we can find and fix it
07:01 < elnino> yes, I made a copy of it when it was in lala land.
07:01 < elnino> I can just delete it at this point. I made a new one.
07:01 <+perlDreamer> ah, okay
07:01 <+perlDreamer> you might be able to delete it
07:02 < elnino> that worked.
07:02 <+perlDreamer> cool
07:03 < elnino> yeah, that was just a weird scenario - I wish I could duplicate it and create a bug report for you.  =)
07:03 <+perlDreamer> for this one, we'd have to fix it on your site
07:03 <+perlDreamer> a bug report wouldn't help much
07:03 < elnino> I can tell you some of what happend. 
07:04 < elnino> well, I hope other things aren't hosed. It started off when I copied the webgui blank style template
07:04 < elnino> which gave me a  prefetch request body failed error
07:06 < elnino> since I have your attention. =)
07:06 < elnino> how do I get rid of Could not create workflow instance for workflowId 'pbworkflow000000000007' errors?
07:06 <+perlDreamer> restart spectre
07:06 < elnino> I'll wrte a wiki... It seems I get these alot.
07:06 <+perlDreamer> we can't find out what causes that bug
07:07 <+perlDreamer> it's very frustrating
07:07 <+perlDreamer> all 4 of us have worked on it for many months
07:07 < elnino> I'll write a wiki anyway. =)
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07:27 < elnino> so I did restart spectre. two of my sites aren't "connecting" but I did a diff on the conf file, and am not seeing anything
07:28 < elnino> I obviously have a typo somewhere..  Couldn't fetch Spectre configuration data  : malformed JSON string, neither array, object, number, string or atom, at character offset 1 ["<html>n<head>n<title..."] at ../lib/Spectre/Admin.pm line 158.
07:28 <+perlDreamer> yup
07:29 < elnino> I'm getting a \ No newline at end of file when I do a diff.
07:29 < elnino> what's that supposed to mea? they look correct.
07:29 <+perlDreamer> missing newline isn't a problem
07:29 <+perlDreamer> spectre configuration data is data sent from WebGUI to Spectre when it starts up
07:30 <+perlDreamer> try starting spectre by hand, with the --debug on and pipe the output into a file to look at
07:31  * perlDreamer needs to crash out.
07:31 <+perlDreamer> see you all tomorrow
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08:35 < ozysimpson> hello all in the process of installing webgui for the first time
08:35 < ozysimpson> on a centos machine :-) keeping my fingers crossed 
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15:54 < carogray> I have a question about URLs and domains - having to do with those a records and m records etc. anyone here who can answer that kind of question?
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15:58 < ckotil> a records and mx rexcords?
15:58 < ckotil> DNS question. I can try to answer it, and im sure someone else will know the answer in here.
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16:12 <+bartjol> carogray: what is your question?
16:12 < carogray> ah thanks
16:13 < carogray> um.. you can have old.masslegalhelp.org go to one server, and www.masslegalhelp.org go to another server i.e. PlainBlack, but
16:14 < carogray> can you have www.masslegalhelp.org/apply-for-services be hosted on  a different server than all other pages or does it have to be apply.masslegahelp.org?
16:14 < carogray> this isn't actually for our site. i want to host some unique pages for other domains on our server.
16:15 < carogray> ckotil: sorry didn't see you responded
16:26 < ckotil> you will have to add a redirect to www.masslegalhelp.org/apply-for-services redirecting you to apply.masslegalheop.org; but only iff apply.mass.legalhelp.org is on another server.
16:27 < ckotil> if they were the same server, you could still use a redirect, but mod_rewrite is more elegant.
16:28 < SDuensin> Greetings.
16:31 <+bartjol> ah, I see ckot* covers my absence
16:33 < ckotil> i just hope i didnt confuse carogray :)
16:34 < carogray> I think my question is not clear.
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16:35 < ckotil> you can have www.masslegalheolp.org/any-unique-url-here
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16:35 < carogray> I want to put a unique not-a-domain-name-we-have  page on our plainblack server
16:36 < carogray> I think your latest answer is the unique part can only come BEFORE the domain name, not after?
16:36 < carogray> Redirects aren't really the issue
16:37 <+bartjol> well, if you want another server running stuff, you'll need another subdomain
16:37 < ckotil> if you own masslegalhelp.org you can have anything 'before' (which are subdomains) or 'after' (just part of the URL)
16:38 < carogray> so I wanted to host the MassJusticeProject form so people could apply for services, whilst MassJusticeProject website is on some other server I can only have apply.massjusticeproject.org on PlainBlack server, but not massjusticeproject.org/apply 
16:38 < carogray> MassJusticeProject.org is already a website on some other server somewhere
16:39 < carogray> they own it, they can direct it, but what is physically possible?
16:39 < ckotil> correct. they can point apply.massjusticeproject.org to your plainblack server
16:39 < ckotil> OR redirect to your domain via massjusticeproject.org/apply
16:40 < carogray> yes, but in the latter case the user would end up at Masslegalhelp.org/massjusticeproject-apply or something
16:40 < ckotil> i dunno if PB supports multiple subdomains for a site. bartjol would have to answer that.
16:40 < ckotil> carogray: yes they would, so that is less than ideal. yet another option is to use mod_proxy
16:40 < ckotil> but that gets kind of indepth, and would require a little more work on massjusticeproject's part.
16:40 < carogray> ok -  have no idea what mod_proxy is
16:41 < ckotil> basically you go to their domain/url, and their webserver goes to your site, gets the content, and serves it to the user. so it looks like they are still at massjusticeproject.org
16:41 < carogray> perhaps they can live with apply.massjusticeproject.org ... and perhaps PlainBlack - I am pretty sure they 
16:41 < carogray> oops aah Isee
16:42 < ckotil> so you have a few options
16:42 < carogray> I suspect there is noone over there who has the technical knowhow to do mod_proxy... is that only a webgui thing or is it a web thing?
16:42 < ckotil> its an apache thing. i expect IIS to have a simlliar feature as well
16:43 < carogray> hmmm - well that's all very helpful I will let them know and see what they want to do.
16:43 < carogray> thanks so much.
16:44 < ckotil> glad to help
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17:25 <+bartjol> voor bartjol2.nl en de is_alive jetser zijn er wel andere logs btw, voor die tweede wist je het al, maar dan weet je het
17:25 <+bartjol> oops
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17:36 < CIA-48> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r4f8ff01 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Event.pm : Begin copying labels over from the event edit template into the Moose definition. - http://bit.ly/9r9kUU
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17:45 <+perlDreamer> bbiab
17:45 <+MrHairgrease> bbiab?
17:45 <+MrHairgrease> oh
17:45 <+MrHairgrease> i get it
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18:09 <+perlDreamer> had to drop the kids off at school
18:10 <+MrHairgrease> did it hurt?
18:10 <+perlDreamer> not me :)
18:10 <+MrHairgrease> ofcourse
18:10 <+MrHairgrease> that's the order of things
18:11 <+perlDreamer> Did you ever figure out how to get magical default methods for Moose, MrHairgrease?
18:12 <+MrHairgrease> oh yeah i found something that did work
18:12 <+MrHairgrease> but I still don't like it much
18:12 <+MrHairgrease> hang on 
18:12 <+MrHairgrease> I'll see if I can find it again
18:16 <+MrHairgrease> http://webgui.pastebin.com/m37b7211e
18:16 <+MrHairgrease> I borked my perl install over here
18:17 <+MrHairgrease> so I'm not sure if this was the actual working example
18:17 <+MrHairgrease> but the general idea is there
18:18 <+perlDreamer> I thought only Swedish people could bork things
18:18 <+MrHairgrease> I have a Swedish colleague at Mapper
18:18 <+MrHairgrease> doesn't that count for something?
18:20 <+perlDreamer> he must have taught you well ;)
18:20 <+MrHairgrease> he probably did
18:20 <+perlDreamer> I had some problems with self referencing code inside of around blocks, so be careful
18:20 <+MrHairgrease> although he started only two days ago
18:20 <+MrHairgrease> yeah
18:20 <+MrHairgrease> I'm not gonna use it at all
18:20 <+MrHairgrease> at least for the time being
18:21 <+MrHairgrease> I'll just stick to my Chart::Magick::Definition
18:26 <+MrHairgrease> I need a good method name
18:26 <+perlDreamer> what does the method do?
18:26 <+MrHairgrease> the method in question tells whether or not datapoints that are out of axis range can actually be drawn
18:27 <+MrHairgrease> so for instance on an x-y graph
18:27 <+MrHairgrease> the answer is no for both axes
18:27 <+MrHairgrease> but on a polar coordinate system the answer is yes for the angle
18:27 <+perlDreamer> does it check each datapoint, or does it tell you whether or not there are any?
18:28 <+MrHairgrease> no it just tells the chart plugin whether it should try to rdraw points out of range at all
18:28 <+MrHairgrease> it just for speedup
18:28 <+perlDreamer> drawOutOfRange
18:28 <+MrHairgrease> the chart plugin does the range checking if it feel like it
18:29 <+MrHairgrease> hmm maybe
18:29 <+perlDreamer> canDrawOutOfRange
18:29 <+MrHairgrease> I was thinking more in the lines of handlesOutOfRange
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18:29 <+MrHairgrease> yeah that's better
18:29 <+MrHairgrease> I think I'll use that one then
18:29 <+perlDreamer> I like handles, too
18:30 <+MrHairgrease> who doesn't =)
18:30 <+perlDreamer> do you know how to use git to display a file in another branch, without switching to that branch?
18:30 <+MrHairgrease> short answer:
18:30 <+MrHairgrease> no
18:30 <+MrHairgrease> =)
18:30 <+MrHairgrease> maybe it on google?
18:31 <+MrHairgrease> or did you already try that
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18:31 <+perlDreamer> I am now that I've been let down
18:31 <+MrHairgrease> but why not switch to the other branch
18:31 <+MrHairgrease> ?
18:33 <+perlDreamer> I have uncommitted work, and I'm too lazy to use git stash or git commit
18:33 <+MrHairgrease> wow,
18:33 <+MrHairgrease> that's real lazy =)
18:34 <+MrHairgrease> how's the impatience and hubris coming along?
18:36 <+perlDreamer> I'm developing hubris along 2 axes right now
18:36 <+perlDreamer> and I'm loaded with impatience
18:36 <+perlDreamer> that comes from having kids
18:36 <+MrHairgrease> I see
18:36 <+perlDreamer> git show REVISION:path/to/file.pm
18:37 <+MrHairgrease> ah ok
18:37 <+MrHairgrease> but then you need a hash right?
18:37 <+MrHairgrease> or can you do something like other_branch:HEAD
18:37 <+perlDreamer> I did git show-refs --head
18:37 <+perlDreamer> which told me the rev for head
18:38 <+perlDreamer> master:HEAD:path/to/file would have been great
18:38 <+perlDreamer> I need to sit and read the git user manual some time
18:38 <+perlDreamer> maybe I'll do that before I go running, pick up the kids, clean the house and make dinner
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18:39 <+MrHairgrease> what?
18:39 <+MrHairgrease> no dishes?
18:39 <+perlDreamer> that's part of cleaning the house
18:41 <+MrHairgrease> right
18:41 <+MrHairgrease> no pets?
18:42 <+perlDreamer> they clean themselves
18:42 <+MrHairgrease> may you'll have to feed them?
18:42 <+MrHairgrease> maybe*
18:42 <+perlDreamer> nope, that's the kid's job
18:42 <+perlDreamer> sometimes, I delegate cleaning the house to the kids
18:42 <+perlDreamer> but that doesn't help with the impatience
18:42 <+MrHairgrease> delegation is a good thing
18:43 <+MrHairgrease> I read so in the Moose docs
18:43 <+MrHairgrease> =)
18:47 <+perlDreamer> I need to override a Moose attribute to be read only
18:48 <+MrHairgrease> use the + notation
18:49 <+MrHairgrease> so has +overrideProp ( is => 'ro' )
18:49 <+MrHairgrease> er
18:49 <+MrHairgrease> has '+overrideProp' ( is => 'ro' )
18:50 <+perlDreamer> you can't override "is"
18:50 <+MrHairgrease> oh
18:50 <+MrHairgrease> then you're out of luck i think
18:52 <+perlDreamer> I think I'll try our perennial favorite, around
18:52 <+perlDreamer> from what I seeing, it's almost never required to override update anymore
18:52 <+perlDreamer> you only have to override individual  properties
18:53 <+MrHairgrease> cool, I learned a new word today!
18:53 <+MrHairgrease> thanks
18:54 <+perlDreamer> new word?
18:54 <+perlDreamer> perennial?
18:54 <+MrHairgrease> no, 'our'
18:54 <+MrHairgrease> =)
18:55 <+MrHairgrease> it was perennial indeed
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20:50 <@Haarg> <perlDreamer> master:HEAD:path/to/file would have been great
20:51 <@Haarg> what would you have wanted that to show you?
20:51 <+perlDreamer> I was working in static_definition, which is very old compared to master
20:51 <+perlDreamer> and I need to do some recent i18n lookups
20:51 <+perlDreamer> we never got around to merging last week
20:53 <+perlDreamer> master:HEAD:lib/WebGUI/Asset/Event.pm
20:53 <@Haarg> any time git wants a revision, you can give it a symbolic revision
20:53 <@Haarg> so git show master:lib/WebGUI/Asset/Event.pm
20:54 <@Haarg> or git show master^:lib/WebGUI/Asset/Event.pm for the parent revision of master
20:54 <+perlDreamer> the other one didn't work, with HEAD
20:54 <@Haarg> HEAD is just another symbolic reference
20:55 <@Haarg> there isn't really anything you could refer to as master:HEAD
20:56 <@Haarg> http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-rev-parse.html
20:57 <@Haarg> goes through all the ways to specify revisions
21:00 <+perlDreamer> and they say regular expressions are hard...
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21:01 <@Haarg> yeah, lots of complex options
21:02 <@Haarg> but usually the useful ones are adding ^ to the end of a rev to specify the parent
21:02 <@Haarg> or multiple ^s
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22:44 < Socrates> and drinks it
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00:15 < doc777> Hello friends! I am fixing to build a new webgui server and currently plan to use ubuntu server 8.04 LTS ( Migrating from gentoo ).   Will WebGUI get along with x64 or should I stick with x32?
00:16 <@Haarg> i've seen it used on a 64bit system using the 32bit wre.  we haven't had much luck getting the wre to compile on 64bit, but it that was done WebGUI itself would work fine.
00:16 < doc777> I plan to use the wre this time.
00:17 <@Haarg> if you use the 32bit wre as far as i know everything should work fine
00:18 < doc777> The server only has 4 gig of ram so I am not sure what I would be gaining by using the x64. Possibly speed but this machine will only be running webgui.  Do you think it would be worth the hassle to go x64?
00:19 <@Haarg> given the amount of ram and the fact that you would be using 32 binaries as well, it seems unlikely there would be any advantage of going to 64bit.  but i don't think it would be a significant hassle either.
00:20 < doc777> Thank you Haarg  :o)
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00:44 <@preaction> so i need to populate an ldap server with about 1000 users. anyone have suggestions on where i can find 1000 names in a simple format?
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00:45 <@Haarg> just first names?
00:45 <@preaction> doesn't matter really, it will be for webgui's recursive group thing
00:45 <@Haarg> http://www.cs.princeton.edu/introcs/data/names.csv
00:46 <@preaction> perfect, thanks
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02:00 < elnino> lookin gat modperl logs, what does the vague "Expected token not present" supposed to mean? I'm not using cookies, as the forum mentions.
02:04 <@preaction> someone could be trying to access the site with an improperly formatted wgSession cookie
02:06 < elnino> oh ok.
02:14 < elnino> could that be caused by the fact that my site resdes at two domains, and the links all go towards the one of two domains?
02:16 < perlDreamer1> no, the cookie contents are bad.
02:16 < elnino> I don't set cookies.
02:16 < perlDreamer1> WebGUI does
02:16 < perlDreamer1> for authentication
02:16 < elnino> so is that a bug?
02:16 < perlDreamer1> no
02:16 < perlDreamer1> you need to show that WebGUI is setting the cookie badly
02:17 < perlDreamer1> and it needs to be repeatable
02:17 < elnino> I get it in my log file all the time... =)
02:17 <@preaction> are users reporting problems?
02:17 < elnino> no.
02:18 <@preaction> then it's just informational, it means that mod_perl is preventing someone from doing something bad
02:19  * elnino wonders when an error is an error then in a log file. =)
02:20 <@preaction> take a 404 for example. could've been someone screwing around. could've been a broken link, but until the user reports there's a problem, we don't know what it is
02:21 < elnino> yeah, that one is really frustrating in the logs.
02:26 < elnino> masked urls really mess things up when your user sets them up and they don't tell you.  grr.
02:31 < elnino> there was a wg site setup and then they changed the domain to point to another, so I have tis unused site that can't resolve itself. =(
02:41 < elnino> hmm. http://www.webgui.org/etcetera/tip_for_running_webgui_on_a_shared_hosting_environment/tip_for_running_webgui_on_a_shared_hosting_environment probably should be taken down. or maybe it's true?
02:42 <@preaction> it's 5 years old. CGI WebGUI doesn't work anymore
02:43 < elnino> do I write up a bug or rfe to remove it?
02:43 <@preaction> you could just reply to it mentioning that it's no longer valid
02:48 < elnino> ok. but hopefully it doesn't bring attention to it now.
02:49 < elnino> anyone know who's site is http://www.valuecms.com/ - they used to do webgui hosting? their site is complely hosed  
02:52 < elnino> apparently someone in egypt
02:53 < perlDreamer1> Ehab Haikal
02:53 < perlDreamer1> I think the last name is spelled correctly
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02:58 <@preaction> elnino: though there is a new way to run WebGUI under CGI, patspam came up with it
02:58 <@preaction> http://blog.patspam.com/2009/plebgui-webgui-meets-plack
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03:02 < elnino> yahoo for patspam!!!!
03:02 <+patspam> woo!
03:03 <+patspam> hey elnino :)
03:03 < elnino> I just read your post that preaction sent me: http://blog.patspam.com/2009/plebgui-webgui-meets-plack
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03:03 <+patspam> ah!
03:03 < elnino> yahoo!! I say again!
03:04 <+patspam> plack is an awesome new development in the perl web world
03:04 <@preaction> indeed
03:04 <@preaction> if i have my way wg9 will be completely placked
03:06 <@preaction> i like when i read a piece of code and can't tell if i wrote it or not because it's properly formatted and follows best practices ;)
03:06 < perlDreamer1> thanks ;)
03:07 <@preaction> you wrote the test DN update from LDAP?
03:07 < perlDreamer1> yup
03:07 <@preaction> ... but how did you know that's what i was looking at?
03:07 <@preaction> WHERE ARE YOU?
03:07 <@preaction> IS THE CALL COMING FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE?
03:07 < perlDreamer1> well, I really thought you were still looking at the group code
03:07 < perlDreamer1> but I've written so much of WebGUI that it's a fair guess
03:07 <@preaction> true
03:07 < perlDreamer1> of course, that also explains all the bugs and poor performance
03:08 <@preaction> but no, i'm writing a test for this thing
03:08 <+patspam> heh not way, that's the code that the rest of us write
03:08 < perlDreamer1> the original code was from either cap10morgan or mducharme(mducharme-work)
03:11 < CIA-48> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rc0e78ab / lib/WebGUI/User.pm : Check for a valid group before using it. - http://bit.ly/bI3t9c
03:11 < CIA-48> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rb6a8a72 / t/Macro.t : Add a few more Macro tests for unquoted arguments, and dangling commas. - http://bit.ly/bKVf8d
03:12 < perlDreamer1> Moose is so awesome
03:12 < CIA-48> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rcb5144f / lib/WebGUI/User.pm : Check for a valid group before using it. - http://bit.ly/96lBCP
03:12 < CIA-48> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r0171743 / t/Macro.t : Add a few more Macro tests for unquoted arguments, and dangling commas. - http://bit.ly/aJ3tGF
03:12 < perlDreamer1> After converting a bunch of assets over to it, I'm reasonably sure that we'll never need to override update
03:13 < perlDreamer1> we can do it all with method modifiers
03:14 <@preaction> word
03:34 <@preaction> okay, i officially have no idea how LDAP groups work
03:41 < perlDreamer1> in WebGUI,or LDAP?
03:45 < CIA-48> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r58944a4 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Event.pm : Update Event to use Moose accessors. - http://bit.ly/bA6GnX
03:46 <@preaction> in LDAP
03:46 <@preaction> it helps if i knew how to define a group in LDAP
03:47 < perlDreamer1> mducharme, mducharme-work: are you around this evening in the flesh, by chance?
03:48 <@preaction> WTF is the point of an Organizational Unit if it cannot also be a groupOfNames?
03:54 < CIA-48> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r0d8fd28 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Event.pm : Fix a typo with extending isHidden. - http://bit.ly/9f8WVa
03:54 < CIA-48> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r76ce6f7 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Calendar.pm : Some fixes for the Calendar. - http://bit.ly/aTC41V
03:54 < perlDreamer1> I actually have some Calendar tests passing
03:55 < perlDreamer1> son of a gun!
03:55 < perlDreamer1> they're all passing!
03:55 <@preaction> is it the one where ok( WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Calendar->is_rewritten_from_scratch )?
03:55 < perlDreamer1> no, like git checkout static_definition; wgd reset -d; wgd reset --config; perl t/Asset/Wobject/Calendar.t
03:56 < perlDreamer1> t/Asset/Event.t is passing
03:57 < perlDreamer1> and Event/permissions.t
03:57 < perlDreamer1> not bad for a few hours work
03:59 < perlDreamer1> If I convert Image.pm over, I might be able to start up Apache
03:59 <@preaction> woot!
03:59 < perlDreamer1> booyah!
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04:12 < CIA-48> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rb9c4371 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/File/Image.pm : Convert to Moose and Moose accessors. - http://bit.ly/ar3R1o
04:12 <@preaction> the #ldap people straightened me out: the test ldap database is organized poorly
04:13 < perlDreamer1> do share!
04:13 < perlDreamer1> at least update the wiki page that I hacked together
04:14 < perlDreamer1> Image.t is passing, except for the funky annotation/rotation/crop stuff
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04:32 < perlDreamer1> apparently, I need a refresher course in Moose MRO
04:32 < perlDreamer1> we cannot, absolutely CANNOT subclass update
04:32 < perlDreamer1> otherwise it don't work at all
04:32 < perlDreamer1> if we have to, we'll need to use around
04:32 < perlDreamer1> Image.t is passing
04:33 < carogray> Well thanks to you all indirectly I guess. Diona said she found the final tweak to the email a friend or send to a friend feature I have been trying to get work for years from you all last night.
04:34 < perlDreamer1> ^Page('title');
04:34 < carogray> I have it on MassLegalHelp and it works perfectly so far!
04:34 < carogray> yep!
04:34 < perlDreamer1> That has to be the best WebGUI news I've heard all day
04:35 < perlDreamer1> I think I'll go and play tuba to celebrate
04:35 < carogray> I still need to figure out how to get it into my form and email template I think but I have been working today for hours and mybrain is busted
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04:35 < carogray> Yes I think it's cause for huge celebration!
04:42 <@preaction> okay, RDN stands for Relative Distinguished Name
04:42 <@preaction> DN is Distinguished Name, think of it as the record's unique ID
04:43 <@preaction> everything in the LDAP tree has a DN, and everything except the top level has their parent in their DN
04:43 <@preaction> so o=shawshank
04:43 <@preaction> and cn=Warden,o=shawshank
04:43 <@preaction> for that, my RDN is cn=Warden
04:43 <@preaction> my DN is cn=Warden,o=shawshank
04:43 <@preaction> and my parent's DN is o=shawshank
04:43 <@preaction> SO WHY DOES WEBGUI GIVE A DIFFERENT DEFINITION TO RDN?
04:52 <@preaction> okay, so I figured out how NORMAL ldap groups work, but wtf is a Recursive Group?
04:59 <@preaction> okay, so I figured THAT out, but then how is this person's ldap groupings working AT ALL?
05:33 < mducharme> I'm here
05:35 < mducharme> what do you mean it gives a different definition to RDN, preaction?
05:37 <@preaction> in the "User RDN" field, you have to put "dn", always
05:40 < mducharme> um in current webgui versions there is no User RDN field
05:40 < mducharme> unless you mean in the user settings themselves
05:40 < mducharme> as opposed to the ldap config
05:41 < mducharme> I do not see a User RDN field in the user properties either
05:42 < mducharme> I do see another problem though
05:42 < mducharme> two parameters that are different are using the same i18n
05:42 < mducharme> so one is misnamed
05:43 < mducharme> a new i18n should be created for the matching field in the user properties
05:43 <@preaction> ah, it used to be User RDN, now it's Authentication Attribute
05:43 <@preaction> which should almost always be dn
05:43 < mducharme> yes
05:44 < mducharme> I had posted a bunch of i18n changes a while back
05:44 < mducharme> because things were using bizarre terminology
05:44 < mducharme> that user RDN was one of those
05:53 < mducharme> I missed what you are trying to do though, preaction
05:53 < mducharme> perhaps I can help
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06:04 <@preaction> debugging various LDAP group stuffs
06:04 <@preaction> writing tests
06:04 <@preaction> fixing the DIT of the regression LDAP server
06:11 < mducharme> ahh.. I haven't really needed to futz too much with ldap groups in webgui... use them everywhere else though
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16:49 < SDuensin> Morning.
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17:10 <+bartjol> morning
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17:44 <+perlDreamer> good morning, kind and benevolent webgui folk
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18:11 < mducharme-work> morning perldreamer
18:12 <+perlDreamer> howdy, mducharme-work
18:15 <+perlDreamer> we had some LDAP questions for you last night, but the nice people of #ldap were able to set us straight
18:15 < mducharme-work> ok
18:15 < mducharme-work> cool
18:15 < mducharme-work> yeah I saw last night there
18:15 < mducharme-work> btw I found an i18n problem, well not really a problem
18:16 <+perlDreamer> most i18n related stuff is a bug
18:16 < mducharme-work> the ldap settings in the user account properties are exactly matching the names in the general ldap settings
18:16 < mducharme-work> when they are referring to something else and should have a different label
18:16 <+perlDreamer> didn't we accept an RFE from you to change all of those around, along with your suggested new labels?
18:16 < mducharme-work> thus the same i18n label is being used for two different settings that should have different i18n's
18:16 <+perlDreamer> ah
18:17 <+perlDreamer> file a bug for it along with recommendations on what they should be
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18:17 < mducharme-work> ok
18:17 <+perlDreamer> bartjol loves having more translation work to do
18:18 <+bartjol> he, what?
18:18 <+bartjol> do I?
18:18 <+perlDreamer> sure, doesn't SynQ buy you a bier every time the translation hits 100%?
18:18 <+bartjol> nope
18:19 <+bartjol> he might pay my salary
18:19 <+perlDreamer> that's good, too
18:19 <+perlDreamer> boats, bier and tile all require salary
18:24 < mducharme-work> boy it is sure slow...
18:25 < mducharme-work> oh there we go
18:25 < mducharme-work> http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/11395
18:25 <+bartjol> well, that was intensive work: 1 entry
18:25 <+bartjol> no bugs though
18:39 < CIA-48> WebGUI: translation * r12436 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/WebGUIProfile.pm: Updating Dutch on translation server
18:52 <+perlDreamer> hm, it's also time to update the copyrights
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21:53 < CIA-48> webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * rd7767e0 / lib/WebGUI/Macro.pm : faster macro processor using perl 5.10 features - http://bit.ly/96cO4v
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22:45 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, how much faster is it?
22:45 <@Haarg> i don't know.  benchmarked it a long time ago.
22:52 < CIA-48> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r2f8aff5 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Template.pm : Remove deprecated code, overriding update in Template.pm - http://bit.ly/ch7RPN
22:54 < CIA-48> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r5203c35 / t/Asset/Template.t : Remove test for headBlock handling. - http://bit.ly/cgHli1
23:06 <+perlDreamer> In WebGUI 8, all forms are supposed to be automatically built
23:06 <+perlDreamer> and we have flags to say things like, don't ever build this one particular form field
23:06 <+perlDreamer> but how do you handle putting extra fields into the edit form that are not supposed to processed by the back end?
23:06 <+perlDreamer> fields like "What next?"
23:07 < CIA-48> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rd3e2970 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Folder.pm : Fix Folder sortOrder to be moosey. Convert to using Moose accessors. - http://bit.ly/cGB0VK
23:14 <@preaction> perlDreamer: depends on how Graham solves the www_editSave problem
23:14 <@preaction> also, what next sucks
23:14 <@preaction> i hate it
23:14 <@preaction> i want it to die
23:14  * perlDreamer is tempted to play the backwards compatibility card, but I hate that one.
23:14 <+perlDreamer> do we have two buttons then?
23:15 <@preaction> that's what WG8 is for, yay!
23:15 <@preaction> where is your what next thing?
23:15 <@preaction> and most likely yes
23:15 <+perlDreamer> In the Folder
23:15 <@preaction> oh
23:15 <@preaction> uh...
23:15 <@preaction> yeah
23:15 <+perlDreamer> also, in the DataForm
23:15 <@preaction> "Save and Add More"
23:15 <+perlDreamer> and in the Product
23:15 <@preaction> DataForm might be different, it depends on what the What's Next is being used for
23:15 <+perlDreamer> Add another field
23:15 <+perlDreamer> Add another tab
23:27 < CIA-48> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r86dd8ab / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Template.pm : Lots of syntax fixes, and convert to Moose accessors. - http://bit.ly/bJVHg2
23:34 < CIA-48> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rb02df9f / lib/WebGUI/AssetPackage.pm : Fix importing packages. - http://bit.ly/bcEKVN
23:35 <+perlDreamer> wgd reset -d now does much more useful work in static_definition
23:37 < CIA-48> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r129186c / lib/WebGUI/Content/Asset.pm : Update Content/Asset for Moose and Exceptions. - http://bit.ly/abPobU
23:37 <+perlDreamer> we really don't have enough tests
23:44 < dionak> is Moose a new requirement of WG?
23:44 < dionak> I guess yes?
23:45 <+perlDreamer> it will be for wG8, dionak
23:45 <+perlDreamer> for now all is safe
23:45 <+perlDreamer> speaking of which, Haarg, preaction, will the FormBuilder branch be moved to Moose?
23:45 < dionak> for now? :)
23:46 <+perlDreamer> well, eventually we will release webgui 8 and Moose will be de rigeur
23:47 < dionak> i'll be expecting Moose jokes at the next WUC.
23:48 <+perlDreamer> Gooey will have large antlers this year
23:48 < dionak> haha! 
23:48 < dionak> that'll make him top-heavy
23:48 < dionak> he'll have to start working out
23:50 <@preaction> perlDreamer: my local FormBuilder branch is moosified i believe. it's just been a while since i worked on anything
23:52 <+perlDreamer> the static_definition branch is also Moosey
23:53 <+perlDreamer> I think it's time to update testEnvironment.pl
23:53 <+perlDreamer> Also, tomorrow I want to grab both you and Haarg and do the long overdue merging
23:53 <+perlDreamer> I can type git merge master, but I don't think that's really what I want
23:57 <@Haarg> that's basically what is needed, but there will be a fair amount of conflict resolution to do
23:57 <+perlDreamer> I have children and a wife.  I am an expert at conflict resolution.
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23:59 <+perlDreamer> uh oh, I hope I didn't offend her with that
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00:02 <+perlDreamer> be back in 30-ish
00:02 < CIA-48> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r019ebba / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Article.pm : Remove update override sub, and use the new Asset triggers instead. - http://bit.ly/94qBlb
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01:13 <+perlDreamer> we have successful upgrade scripts in wg8 now
01:13 < CIA-48> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r6702f07 / (2 files): Fix upgrade scripts to work with wg8. - http://bit.ly/95t2VB
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01:28 < CIA-48> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r70d06ec / lib/WebGUI/Operation/VersionTag.pm : Update to WG8 constructors - http://bit.ly/9oHjXa
01:32 < CIA-48> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * ra9f46c7 / lib/WebGUI/AssetVersioning.pm : More wg8 constructors in AssetVersioning. - http://bit.ly/9BL9s7
01:38 < CIA-48> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r722bad7 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Layout.pm : Change to moose methods. Need to be on the lookout for getValue calls. - http://bit.ly/bpR6cE
01:49 < CIA-48> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * racff13a / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/SyndicatedContent.pm : SyndicatedContent moved over to wg8. - http://bit.ly/aBhr99
02:03 <+perlDreamer> this is a great read: http://www.modernperlbooks.com/mt/2010/02/a-perl-programming-maintenance-checklist.html
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02:46 <@preaction> Spreadsheet::WriteExcel is pretty nice
02:48 <@preaction> Vrby wanted a report for TGC, and I give him an already-populated excel spreadsheet
02:48 <@preaction> next i hope to add the formulas and stuff that he'd inevitably add himself
02:59 <+perlDreamer> cool!  I hear they just added graphs
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16:24 < carogray> Hi all
16:24 <+bartjol> hi carogray
16:25 < carogray> doing many things at once, but...is it possible to "run" not sure this is what I want to do, an xml file on PlainBlack server?
16:26 < carogray> There is this software called A2J which produces a kind of interview 
16:27 < carogray> it wouldn't be in the frame of our website... I don't think.., also it uses Flash and may only work with IE, however it would be very helpful if we could upload an xml file to PlainBlack server and then have it email us
16:27 < carogray> or allow people to email us or...
16:27 < carogray> feed the information to a "behind the scenes" data form and email us.
16:27 < carogray> All I know is that the interview is an xml file.
16:27 <+bartjol> well, I don't know how far they host applications next to wg
16:28 < carogray> how far?
16:28 < carogray> is xml an application?
16:28 <+bartjol> I mean, whether they host anything besides webgui, or only plug ins
16:28 <+bartjol> no
16:28 < carogray> mmmm
16:28 <+bartjol> but the stuffs which seems to make it is
16:28 < SDuensin> Morning.
16:29 <+bartjol> morning Scott
16:29 < carogray> so if it were just a file, like a jpg, or pdf - is xml that kind of file?
16:30 <+bartjol> more html like, but just a file anyways, so yes
16:30 < carogray> I will need to find out more about this - thanks.
16:31 <+bartjol> yeah, but you can upload files and make them group acessible
16:31 < carogray> you mean View by "everyone"?
16:31 <+bartjol> can't you use a dataform
16:32 < carogray> data form is just a form, this is a really neat little application with audio and sometimes even video where an avatar asks you questions and takes you down the path to justice...
16:32 <+bartjol> depends on who you want able to see:
16:32 <+bartjol> a the form
16:32 <+bartjol> b the results
16:32 < carogray> neither
16:32 < carogray> it uses flash
16:32 <+bartjol> aah
16:32 <+bartjol> almost like a game
16:32 < carogray> yes, I guess probably, maybe
16:33 < carogray> but I have been told it is just an xml file
16:33 <+bartjol> in wwhich I prolly will get stuck in prison 23 lifetimes
16:34 <+bartjol> well, but the results of choices can be quite simple
16:34 <+bartjol> I can see that
16:34 < carogray> not that kind of info - we only do civil law, so you would be evicted 23 million times, or divorced 23 million times, or have to pay 23 million in child support
16:34 <+bartjol> ah, the joys of justice
16:34 < carogray> if I programmed it wrong.
16:34 <+bartjol> :)
16:34 < carogray> ok...gotta go learn more about this..ta
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17:10 <+bartjol> hey it's conservative boy (a reincarnation of a superhero)
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18:27 < ckotil> is there macro to show page hits? like a counter
18:31 < ckotil> http://www.webgui.org/etcetera/page_views_macro3 should do the trick. sql asset with Page macro.
18:35 <+perlDreamer> ckotil, you could use Asset metadata and AOIHits macro to do that, but it's not the best solution
18:52 < ckotil> my passiveProfileAOI table is empty
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18:58 <+perlDreamer> I believe passive profiling has to be enabled, because it incurs a performance penalty
19:00 < ckotil> any other ways to do this?
19:01 < ckotil> also where do you enable passive profiling?
19:02 <+perlDreamer> In the settings
19:02 <+perlDreamer> hm... other ways
19:04 < ckotil> passive profiling must not be in myu version 7.6.35
19:05 < ckotil> ah found it. in user tab
19:08 < ckotil> getting data in passiveProfileLog, but not passiveProfileAOI
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19:14 < ckotil> ok got data in it by running the appropriate workflow activity
19:15 < ckotil> that was a big drain on the server tho. and only 14 assets were summarized
19:17 < ckotil> the data doesnt look useful. count's are off by a lot, and the values listed are one my profile content fields.
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22:01 < CIA-48> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r9f06085 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/DataForm.pm : Update DataForm for wg8. - http://bit.ly/9LNrJp
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23:23 < elnino> ok.  I'm typing with ne hand here.  bear with me =)
23:24 < elnino> I have a custom product with variant that I pretty much took from produvt.pm
23:24 < elnino> in my template, Im calling out the addVariant_url variable.
23:25 < elnino> when looking at the product.pm code, it is set only when canEdit is true
23:26 < elnino> in the template, there is no conditional other than ifd admin is on.
23:26 < elnino> there is a template variable called canEdit availbale, but it isn't used. 
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23:27 < elnino> so I find that a bit interesting. perhaps the template fgroup knows of this... anyway
23:28 < elnino> in my custom product, the addVariant variable osn't being set =(
23:28 < elnino> and I can't figure out why.
23:28 < elnino> admin is obviously turned on, and Im editing the product all the time.
23:29 < elnino> I have not overridden the canEdit function, or variable.
23:30 < elnino> I obviously did some bad pasting somewhere. =(
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23:31 < elnino> I used sku as the base, which is based on asset, so that should be fine.
23:34 <+perlDreamer> elnino, perhaps a little pasting?
23:34 < elnino> =)
23:35  * perlDreamer will be back in a little bit and will backlog
23:36 < elnino> everything else works in my template, but Im stuck at the fact that "canEdit is false".. I'll remove that condittional for now.
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23:48 < cmiller> Hi.  I have a question about setting up a database link in WebGUI.  On my Debian server, I can connect to an MS SQL database using Perl DBI->connect('DBI:ODBC:DEBIAN','user','password'); and do("use Northwind");
23:48 < cmiller> However, I cannot figure out what the DSN should be inside the WebGUI database link.  Any suggestions?
23:53 <+perlDreamer> cmiller, iirc, it takes a standard DBI DSN in the Database link
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23:56 < cmiller> I've tried dbi:ODBC:DEBIAN, and that doesn't work
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00:05 <+perlDreamer> cmiller: I googled, and found this: http://www.easysoft.com/developer/languages/perl/sql_server_unix_tutorial.html
00:05 <+perlDreamer> not sure why you're using dbi:ODBC:DEBIAN, unless the name of the perl module is somehow different on your OS
00:06  * perlDreamer has to run some errands
00:06 < cmiller> DEBIAN is the name of the datasource in the odbc.ini fille
00:06 < cmiller> *file
00:07 < cmiller> translates to myserver.home.com port 1433
00:07 < cmiller> works great from Perl, but I can't get it to work in WebGUI
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01:20 <+perlDreamer> time for caffeine!
01:29 < SynQ> booh!
01:29 < SynQ> I'm alive
01:29 <+perlDreamer> SynQ!
01:29 < SynQ> perlDreamer!
01:29 <+perlDreamer> you great beastie
01:29 <+perlDreamer> how you doing?
01:29 < SynQ> busy
01:29 < SynQ> very very busy
01:29 <+perlDreamer> Must be.  How's is The Netherlands most beautiful little girl?
01:29 < SynQ> she is now 1 year and 4 days
01:30 < SynQ> and she is doing great
01:30 <+perlDreamer> Awesome
01:30 < SynQ> we are celabrating her birthday this weekend
01:30 <+perlDreamer> is she getting a little brother for her birthday?
01:30 < SynQ> first steps are being taken
01:30 < SynQ> I wish :)
01:31 < SynQ> I hope I get my new car for my own birthday
01:31 < SynQ> JT will be pleased with me
01:31 <+perlDreamer> What are you buying?
01:31 < SynQ> you have three guesses, but I'll give you a few hits
01:32 < SynQ> HSD, pearl white, Brake problem :)
01:32  * perlDreamer knows little to nothing about cars because they do not use perl
01:32 <+perlDreamer> You are buying a Prius
01:32 < SynQ> hehe
01:32 < elnino> lol
01:32 < SynQ> you guessed right in one go!
01:32 < SynQ> and yes it's "pearl white"
01:32 < SynQ> I already typed it wrong a few times
01:33 <+perlDreamer> well, the break problem was a dead giveaway
01:33 < SynQ> I'm sorry
01:34 < SynQ> I hope it won't delay the delivery
01:40 <+perlDreamer> WebGUI 8 lives!
01:41 < CIA-48> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rd1572c4 / (5 files in 4 dirs): Make sure that all builder methods that use session sare set to be lazy. - http://bit.ly/cJo3iB
01:41 <+perlDreamer> with that commit, you can actually fire it up and see a page
01:41 <+perlDreamer> you probably can't do much beyond that, but it's a big step
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01:58 < SynQ> ah
01:58 < SynQ> just in time!
01:58 <+perlDreamer> he is psychic
01:58 <+perlDreamer> the news about WebGUI resonated through the ether, and drew him in from his remote location
01:59 <+patspam> news?
01:59 <+perlDreamer> WebGUI 8 can show pages
02:02 <+perlDreamer> it's a good time to step back and look at overall status
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07:19 < elnino> I'm creating a product similar to product, can I just use product.pm as the base? or do I have to use sku.pm?
07:20 <@preaction> you can use product as a base just fine
07:20 < elnino> ok.
07:21 < elnino> thx
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16:04 < SquOnk> Greetings
16:28 < SDuensin> Morning.
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17:01 <+bartjol> afternoon
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00:38 < CIA-48> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rbdccf58 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm): Fix duplicating and deleting thing data. Fixes bug #11391 - http://bit.ly/b85HAW
00:44 < CIA-48> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rae8c1a6 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Set cache control to "none" if the DataForm uses a captcha. Fixes bug #11381. - http://bit.ly/a7OgUp
00:44 <@preaction> does it? does it really?
00:44 < CIA-48> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r420de27 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Set cache control to "none" if the DataForm uses a captcha. Fixes bug #11381. - http://bit.ly/ck5wVP
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00:45 <+perlDreamer> of course if does, preaction
00:45 <@preaction> ARE YOU SURE?
00:45 <+perlDreamer> yes
00:45 <@preaction> oh
00:45 <@preaction> but are you SURE that you're sure?
00:45 <+perlDreamer> yes, painfully so
00:45 <@preaction> can I fire people after they're already fired?
00:46 <+perlDreamer> Let me put it this way, I'm equally as sure that the Code Editor will be fixed by release tomorrow evening.
00:46 <@preaction> uh... you decided to fix it yourself?
00:47 <+perlDreamer> No, the guy who wrote it told me that it would be done by tomorrow.
00:47 <@preaction> Dav Glass? wow, you ARE connected
00:47 <+perlDreamer> and since that is off your back, I thought I'd give you the two Map bugs, too
00:49 <@preaction> aww, you're sweet
00:50 <@preaction> too bad i'm busy writing a feature that should have taken 3 hours, and has so far taken 3 days
00:50 <+perlDreamer> why don't you let me do it, and you can do Dav a big one
00:50 <+perlDreamer> and then we'll all be happy :)
00:51 <@preaction> because it would take you the same amount of time: i'm adding some extra logging to TGC so we can reconcile the click count on the printer
00:51 <@preaction> apparently about 400 sheets of 11x17 paper are missing
00:51 <+perlDreamer> odd
00:51 <@preaction> but since this is the most convoluted code i've seen since Frank started working on the alumni project, it's slow going
00:52 <@preaction> i was going to rewrite it, but i was overruled
00:53 <@preaction> i swear to god i am going to start this whole project from scratch, that's how much it's pissing me off...
00:53 <+perlDreamer> they'll just overrule you again
00:53  * perlDreamer is very fatalistic today
00:53 <+perlDreamer> sorry for being a downer
00:54 <@preaction> oh, that's only if i tell them what i'm doing
00:55 <+perlDreamer> don't you think they'll notice when the site starts working faster and better?
00:55 <@preaction> no. people don't care
00:58 <+perlDreamer> in that case, want some help? :)
01:01 <@preaction> sure, first we need to procure a few pounds of enriched uranium
01:01 <@preaction> then, an orbital launch platform
01:03 <+perlDreamer> ooh!  ooh!  And an git repository?
01:03 <@preaction> if that helps me build the nuke and launch it, sure
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01:12 < CIA-48> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r7470a15 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Auth/WebGUI.pm): Fix illegal HTML from the Auth plugin. It was making LI's with no UL's. Fixes bug #11392 - http://bit.ly/as26ny
01:20 <+perlDreamer> mducharme, mducharme-work: are you around?
01:26 < CIA-48> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rf24963b / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fixed the label in Operation/User:www_editUser, generated by editUserForm in LDAP.pm. Fixes bug #11395. - http://bit.ly/dfHtDs
01:27 < CIA-48> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r5c1ec13 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fixed the label in Operation/User:www_editUser, generated by editUserForm in LDAP.pm. Fixes bug #11395. - http://bit.ly/cjeCdI
01:28 <+perlDreamer> too late
01:34 <+perlDreamer> man, there are indeed too many zeroes in the cache clearing workflows
01:34 <+perlDreamer> this is not equal to 100 MB: 1000000000
01:41 < CIA-48> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * ra78f067 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix a number typo in the Cache cleanup workflow activities. Fixes bug #11396. - http://bit.ly/cGiC6k
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01:57 <+perlDreamer> preaction, I'll fix the map bugs, but I'd like a consult on this bug: http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/11393
01:58 <+perlDreamer> the view point template is not supposed to have a save button, is it?
01:58 <@preaction> i can't see why it would need one
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03:40 < CIA-48> webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.7 * r8638185 / www/extras/yui-webgui/build/code-editor/code-editor.js : fix #11349: Code Editor returns \n for blank content - http://bit.ly/bM9e5n
03:40 < CIA-48> webgui: Doug Bell master * rc16809a / t/Auth/LDAP.t : fixed LDAP tests for LDAP best practices - http://bit.ly/awmYIT
03:40 < CIA-48> webgui: Doug Bell master * re9fdab2 / www/extras/yui-webgui/build/code-editor/code-editor.js : fix #11349: Code Editor returns \n for blank content - http://bit.ly/bdE26p
03:42 <@preaction> yay! 1 down, 2 to go
03:45 <+perlDreamer> dude!  you did it!
03:45 < elnino> working hard again I see. Go preaction!
03:46 <+perlDreamer> he works hard all the time, just not so often on the bugs that I nag him about
03:46 < elnino> =
03:46 < elnino> 0)
03:46 < elnino> good grief. That's supposed to be =)
03:52 <+perlDreamer> we trust you, elnino
03:52 <@preaction> i wouldn't
03:52 <@preaction> it comes once every 7 years and screws up our weather
03:52 <@preaction> it's unpredictable, you never know when it next will hit
03:53 < elnino> what??  
03:53 < elnino> are you talking about our snow we are giving you? It's beautiful, isn't it?
03:54 <+perlDreamer> we would take some, if there's too much
03:55 <@preaction> i'll take that 55 and sunny if you don't mind
03:57 < elnino> there's enough to share, to be sure.
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04:54 < CIA-48> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r531a2f6 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Add website and synopsis fields to the View Point template for the Map. Addresses bug #11393. - http://bit.ly/dvyynY
04:56 <+perlDreamer> preaction: any ideas what to do about the double version tag problem with specific versions of IE8 on XP?
04:56 <+perlDreamer> I don't see where this is anything other than an IE specific bug
04:56 <+perlDreamer> and I can't duplicate with my IE8 on XP
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06:05 <@preaction> perlDreamer: link me!
06:17 <+perlDreamer> http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/11336
06:17 <+perlDreamer> I figured you kept up to date with Ye Olde Bugge Listo
06:19 <@preaction> could it be a manifestation of the dataform bug that webgui.org has?
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06:20 <@preaction> does it happen with just his IE8 or with everyone's IE8?
06:20 <@preaction> it might be site-specific
06:22 <@preaction> we might have to keep it open, but it doesn't have to block a stable release
06:22 <@preaction> we need an "Unable to Reproduce" status
06:23 <@preaction> which reminds me, perlDreamer how goes the WG8 stuff?
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06:33 < elnino> isn't there a setting somewhere that the urls do not use the uploads directory? or something....?
06:34 <@preaction> enableStreamingUploads maybe?
06:34 <@preaction> bad idea, btw
06:35 < elnino> I know.. I just need to scrape the site, and make it html, and right now, I'm getting a gabillian directorys in the uploads subdirectory. 
06:35 < elnino> then the site comes down.
06:35 <@preaction> why scrape? why not export?
06:35 < elnino> because the export didn't work as I thought it would.
06:36 < elnino> It did weird things.
06:36 <@preaction> what kind of weird things?
06:36 < elnino> I knew you were going to ask... 
06:36 < elnino> lol
06:36 < elnino> I don't remember. I just remember it definately ddint' give me what I thought it would do.  sorry.
06:36 < elnino> these people want to have the site all static html
06:37 < elnino> and scraping was the only thing that I knew what to do
06:37 < elnino> to give me a directory of files that would simply unzip nicely.
06:37 < elnino> I think the export was missing images, and didn't export everything. or something.
06:38 < elnino> I can try it again if you want. it won't take long, it's a small site.
06:38 <@preaction> i believe there are options in the export for uploads directory thing
06:38 <@preaction> but i don't remember
06:38 < elnino> let me finish this first though. 
06:38 < elnino> ok. I'll look.
06:38 <@preaction> and you're right, it's really only useful to those who already know what to do
06:43 < elnino> hmm. the enableStreamingUploads doesn't work in the gallery?
06:43 < elnino> I restarted modperl and modproxy.  am I supposed to do spectre too?
06:44 <@preaction> ah, no, it doesn't work in the Gallery
06:44 < elnino> ga!!
06:44 < elnino> bug or rfe?
06:44 < elnino>  =)
06:44 <@preaction> because the photo's URL does not bring you to the photo
06:44 <@preaction> neither
06:44 <@preaction> it never will
06:44 <@preaction> the photo's URL is for the page with the photo's details
06:45 <@preaction> enableStreamingUploads is for File and Image assets
06:45 < elnino> alright, I guess I'll adjust the gallery template.  thanks
06:45 < elnino> THEN I'll do the export thingy
06:45 < elnino> =)
06:46 <@preaction> uh... adjust it to do what?
06:46 < elnino> not link to the real photo.
06:46 < elnino> I'll just make the thumbnail bigger.  =)
06:46 < elnino> or 
06:46 < elnino> I suppose that's in the uplaods too.
06:46 <@preaction> yep
06:47 < elnino> well, I'll cut the number down in half then. =)
06:47 <@preaction> what's wrong with the uploads urls?
06:47 <@preaction> symlink uploads <- that's the property in the export i think
06:48 <@preaction> I think all you need to do is: tar zcf mysite.tar.gz ExportDir /data/domains/.../uploads /data/WebGUI/extras <- 
06:48 <@preaction> wait, that won't work right, but you get the idea: you need to include the uploads dir in the tarball
06:48 <@preaction> and extras for that matter
06:48 < elnino> nothings wrong with it, its just overwhelming to see the large directory, and if they decide to moify the html themselves, they won't know where to go.
06:49 < elnino> oh.  yeah, that's what I did too for the exporting, but at this moment, I'm still scraping.
06:54 < elnino> OH.  I see. I'm slow.
06:55 < elnino> uploads directory will have to be acceptable. 
06:56 < elnino> ok. so I'll try to export it for you.
07:04 < elnino> hmm. 
07:05 < elnino> so.. I exported it. using the symlink option.
07:07 < elnino> hold on. 
07:16 < elnino> ok.
07:16 < CIA-48> webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.7 * r1e7a661 / www/extras/yui-webgui/build/code-editor/code-editor.js : fixed #11322: Code Editor Broken - http://bit.ly/cW2u5k
07:16 < elnino> so export didn't get my style sheets or sifr files
07:16 < elnino> I do remember having an issue with images, being saved as .jpg.jpeg
07:17 < elnino> but it doesn't appear to have happened this time around.
07:17 <@preaction> did you do the export while you were at the root of the site?
07:17 < elnino> root? no, home
07:17 < elnino> \/home
07:17 < CIA-48> webgui: Doug Bell master * rd31be40 / www/extras/yui-webgui/build/code-editor/code-editor.js : fixed #11322: Code Editor Broken - http://bit.ly/a5AO8t
07:18 < elnino> and home and all descendents are exportable.
07:18 <@preaction> if you're at home, it won't get the import node
07:18 <@preaction> if your stylesheets or sifr files are in the import node, they won't get exported
07:18 < elnino> I figured it traversed the html
07:18 < elnino> but that would explain why it's fast. 
07:18 < elnino> it doesnt. =)
07:18 <@preaction> nope, i want the "Template Attachments" thing to be able to do the right thing, but it hasn't been developed yet
07:19 <@preaction> perlDreamer: could you do me a solid and test the code editor in the latest commit? make sure it works and make sure you can paste large blocks of text in IE7? i can't seem to reproduce the last bug
07:20 < elnino> k. I'll try this again. the other thing is that if I have to tarball the entire uploads, I get old revisions, which I don't need.  is there a way to "delete" all old revisions?
07:20 <@preaction> that would be a good RFE: export only the necessary parts of the uploads directory
07:21 <@preaction> a better RFE: make new storage locations only when necessary, and delete only when no links to them exist
07:21 < elnino> well , there is a wrokflow that deletes them once in a while. 
07:21 <@preaction> an even better RFE: Rewrite all of WebGUI to do exactly what I want it to do, which is the RIGHT THING
07:22 < elnino> I=me or I = you?
07:22 <@preaction> yeah, but you don't want to modify that workflow to delete them all, and that would be the only way
07:22 < elnino> =)
07:22 <@preaction> I = me
07:22  * preaction has been feeling rather frustrated as of late
07:22 < elnino> sorry.
07:22 < elnino> webgui is VERY cool You're doing good work!
07:24 <@preaction> i could rant for hours about how much suck needs to be fixed ;-)
07:24 < elnino> oh dear... I did an export from root, now it's giving me EVERYTHING.
07:24 <@preaction> yep
07:24 < elnino> lol .   I'll scrape.
07:25 <@preaction> the US Embassys (who funded the export stuff) tend to keep all their necessary stuff in a special folder in root
07:25 <@preaction> you can also cherry pick each folder you need to export
07:25 <@preaction> (it doesn't have to be exported all at once)
07:27 < elnino> too much work.  =)
07:27 < elnino> I got what I need.  =)  I'm going to bed early now... have a good night! nice chatting.
07:37 < elnino> hmmm. I find this interesting. my scrape included a bunch of YUI and tinymce files. I wonder if it knew I was still logged in.  maby I should do the wget insead.
07:37 < elnino> since I'm up. Has there been discussion about chaning webgui's name by anychance?
07:38 <@preaction> not recently, why?
07:39 < elnino> well. I have a google alert thing going, and all I get is hits on Visual WebGUi and not plainblack's webgui. very frustrating. I suspect it makes pb's marketing efforts difficult.
07:41 <@preaction> i imagine it does, but there's been no talk that i know of
07:41 <@preaction> JT's got some personal projects going, but that's about it
07:41 < elnino> it's a drastic change. obviously not one to take lightly.
07:42 < elnino> I was just wondering... ok. going to sleep now. gnite
07:42 <@preaction> well, considering i want to drastically change the internals of WebGUI, it would make sense to use the time to change the name
07:42 < elnino> =)
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08:53 <+perlDreamer> preaction: will test the new editor tomorrow, and generate a wg8 status sheet.
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18:45 <+perlDreamer> morning, folks
18:47 <@Haarg> morning
18:51 <+perlDreamer> preaction: I'm reinstalling IE7 to test that HTML pasting issue
18:51 <+perlDreamer> and then I'll be publishing an wg8 status document
18:52 <@Haarg> i have ie7 right now if you need something tested
18:52 <+perlDreamer> yes, this bug: http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/11285
18:52 <+perlDreamer> you'll need the "reallyLongLine" file, and it has to be done on XP
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18:57 <@Haarg> hmm
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18:58 <@Haarg> that reveals another problem
18:58 <@Haarg> if you open the reallyLongLine file in IE it renders the html
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19:00 <@Haarg> in what way does that sample line get changed?
19:02 <+perlDreamer> I'll try to paste the modified output back to the bug
19:07 <+perlDreamer> bummer, I thought we'd be all done
19:08 <+perlDreamer> it's the last link, instead of http://www.vetmed.__whatever, it's Homehttp://www.vetmed.....
19:09 <@Haarg> for some of the other links too
19:15  * perlDreamer goes to the gym
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20:52 < CIA-48> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rb2b03b6 / t/Asset/Shortcut/010-linked-asset.t : Better cleanup for a Shortcut test. - http://bit.ly/aR2qsi
20:58 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, do you also have an IE8 installed?
21:07 < ckotil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gA16Fq4SAo&sns=em
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21:19 <+perlDreamer> what's that all about, ckotil?
21:21 < ckotil> daniel tosh gets his hands on an ipad
21:21 < ckotil> its sfw
21:30 <+perlDreamer> I know, but why did he smash it with a golf club?  I don't get the joke.
21:31 < ckotil> that's this guys comedy.
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21:47 <+perlDreamer> well, next time he thinks about being funny, have him give me the iPad, and I'll get him a nice cheap replica.
21:56 < ckotil> right
22:02 < ckotil> how hard would it be to create a macro based on assetProxy but also have it accept parameters so that you can tweak the asset you are proxying in?
22:04 <+perlDreamer> what kind of parameters?
22:04 <+perlDreamer> what you're talking about sounds a lot like a shortcut, with overrides
22:05 < CIA-48> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r7e33dd3 / (3 files in 3 dirs): IE8 on XP demands that onclick actions return false, otherwise it submits the form twice. Fixes bug #11336. - http://bit.ly/beqXgb
22:06 < ckotil> i wanna proxy a nav asset but change the start URL
22:06 < ckotil> :)
22:06 < CIA-48> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rfb3211a / (3 files in 3 dirs): IE8 on XP demands that onclick actions return false, otherwise it submits the form twice. Fixes bug #11336. - http://bit.ly/bDz8rr
22:07 <+perlDreamer> that's the very height of laziness.  You really _are_ a perl hacker.
22:08 < ckotil> If I could somehow dynamically set the start uRL for a nav asset via a template variable Id be all set.
22:08 < ckotil> heh
22:10 <+perlDreamer> and the relative starting URLs won't do the same thing?
22:11 < ckotil> no because waht I have in mind cannot use the URL of the page the asset resides on
22:11 < ckotil> this is more brainstorming for crumb trails in search results.
22:11 < ckotil> i know it's costly, but I gotta see just how costly
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22:24 < elnino> I'm reading http://www.webgui.org/admin/wiki/one-webgui-multiple-sites, If I have domain1.com and domain2.com, that's all the user will see, right? I don't want them to be redirected to http://domain1.com/domain2
22:31 < ckotil> im currently doing this. and if a user goes to domain2.com that's all they will see.
22:32 < ckotil> now, depending on how you organize your site, domain1.com/domain2 will go to the same place as domain2.com/domain2 
22:32 < ckotil> but with enough fancy mod_rewriting you can keep domain1.com and domain2.com entirely separated. 
22:33 < elnino> yep, I want "totally separateedd" with the exception of the db.
22:33 < elnino> Thanks ckotil
22:33 <+perlDreamer> elnino, what's wrong with having two different virtual hosts?
22:33 <+perlDreamer> or do you want a single-sign on kind of deal?
22:34 < ckotil> I have separate virtual hosts for each domain
22:34 < elnino> we're implementing parked pages - so they will allhave one page.
22:34 < ckotil> domain/hostname
22:34 < elnino> kinda over kill for one page sites.
22:34 < elnino> or am I misunderstanding virtual hosts?
22:35 < ckotil> since I have unique domain/hostnames for each site I give them each their own virtual host. They also have unique IP's so I can do ssl 
22:36 < elnino> perlDreamer, virtual hosts  = separate wg db. right?
22:36 <+perlDreamer> yup
22:37 <+perlDreamer> but if it's only 1 page per site, it's overkill like ckotil said
22:37 < elnino> so I *think* a single database for all these parked pages makes sense? feel free to talk me out of it.
22:37 <+perlDreamer> no, I agree completely
22:37 < elnino> ok. good. =) I like when people agree with me. lol
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23:00 <@preaction> i think in 7.9 we should change the default configuration of the Rich Text Editors to be better: Add the Paste From Word button, use Inline Popups, Allow Media by default, and maybe more
23:00 < elnino> YES
23:00 <@preaction> ooh, the cut/copy/paste/paste as plain text/undo/redo would be nice
23:00 < elnino> YES
23:00 < elnino> my client LOVES pasting from msword, its unbelieveably messy
23:00 < ckotil> add file assets from within the rich editor
23:00 <@preaction> i'd do it right now, but people might get pissed off
23:01 <@preaction> ckotil: that would require code, not just clicking checkboxes in the rich editor's configuration
23:01 < elnino> didn't know it did that.
23:01 < ckotil> :0 i had to try
23:01 <@preaction> go to content_managers_rich_edit?func=edit <- on your site
23:01 < elnino> how is that different than attachments? ckotil
23:01 <@preaction> elnino: attachments can't be placed, and are not assets
23:01 <@preaction> the attachment / file asset system on webgui sucks for content management
23:02 < elnino> oh I see. =)
23:02 < elnino> yes.
23:02 < ckotil> with assets you get version tracking, a reusable URL, and a lot more benefits
23:02 <@preaction> i'm writing a lengthy reply to a user about this exact topic
23:02 < ckotil> preaction: i think its me :)
23:02 <@preaction> probably
23:02 < elnino> brb
23:03 < ckotil> my users have been grilling me with questions, and some of them I cannot faithfully answer. bc my understanding of webgui is limited.
23:03 <@preaction> no worries, i understand. and i share your pain
23:04 <@preaction> i tried to start a blog a few months back, using webgui, and i was quickly frustrated at how impossibly difficult basic content management really is in webgui
23:05 < ckotil> yeah, its a beast, and hyou really need to understand a majority of the system before you can really use it.
23:05 <@preaction> yeah
23:05 < ckotil> unfortunately my users are only using a small portion of it, so they have no desire to actually learn it
23:05 <@preaction> some people say the barrier to install is the biggest hurdle webgui faces. i say the convoluted way to perform basic, everyday tasks is
23:06 < ckotil> ive managed to make a lot of the tasks simpler. by leveragine the template system. ive added urls to add article/layouts/files. hover help boxes, little things like that.
23:06 < ckotil> but i ive still failed. need to go back and rethink some things.
23:07 < ckotil> tho the doc system does have a lot of content. which is inspiring. people are using the system.
23:07 <@preaction> you could leverage some JS to make adding images to articles/pages a lot easier. 
23:08 <@preaction> though you might have to hack the button in (or make your users use a bookmarklet)
23:08 < ckotil> use JS to inline adding file assets to the article/layouts?
23:09 <@preaction> essentially, and then the files can be in whatever place you want, but still be included as a macro in the currently-open rich editor
23:09 <@preaction> we want to move from TinyMCE to YUI's Editor, as it is easier to write these kinds of plugins and it's fewer dependencies, but we just haven't done the work yet
23:10 <@preaction> once we do, i want to completely overhaul the attachment system, and actually use the "Media" folder for something: attachments as assets under the Media/Attachments/<assetId> folder
23:10 <@preaction> then a tab next to the rich editor to show "Attachments for this asset" or "Search all attachments for all assets"
23:11 < ckotil> why not ditch attachments all together and just have them as file assets?
23:11 <@preaction> or just even "Search" to search for whatever kind of Image / File you want
23:11 <@preaction> they will be file assets, they'll just be called attachments (attachments being a user-friendly label)
23:11 < ckotil> in our environment we keep all file assets in a specific location for each website. the file-bin
23:12 <@preaction> to the user, it will seem that when they open a rich editor to edit an asset, a list of attachments to that asset appears
23:12 < ckotil> ok sure. that makes sense. asset this and that can be confusing
23:12 <@preaction> to the admin, all attachments are in /media/attachments, organized by the asset ID of the asset it's attached to
23:13 < ckotil> would they also exist as children beneath the article/layout asset?
23:13 < elnino> the template redos have definately helped. but they need docs which I'm working on.
23:13 <@preaction> unfortunately, as i'll say in a little while, i don't have my own private time to do all this, and nobody's buying my time for me to do all this
23:13 < ckotil> right.
23:13 <@preaction> ckotil: no, they wouldn't. that causes problems in navigation and they'd show up twice on the page if you also added them using the ^FileURL macro
23:14 <@preaction> elnino: now we just need to get people thinking "Template Toolkit" instead of HTML::Template
23:14 < ckotil> ah.
23:14 < ckotil> i need to switch to the TT
23:14 < elnino> ckotil  re attachments vs file assets.
23:15 < ckotil> preaction: re: content_managers_rich_edit.html?func=edit even though I have enabled Past from Word, it still doesnt work as well as it should.
23:15 < ckotil> pretty sure its a tiny mce bug. 
23:15 < elnino> oh nevermind ckotil
23:16 < elnino> I was going to say something. but am not going to.
23:16 <@preaction> post it, along with which version of webgui you're using. if you can verify it is indeed a tinymce bug, that would help a lot
23:16 < elnino> still catching up on reading all of this.
23:16 <@preaction> (the tinymce website should have a latest version demo you can try)
23:16 < ckotil> k. problem is my users claim to haev all these problems but NEVER file a formal bug report with us
23:17 < ckotil> only last week finally squelched the MIME type issue with docx pptx etc... 
23:17 < ckotil> which ive been hearinf about for 6 months.
23:17 < elnino> preaction - the new "attachments"/file assets will still be attached to the articles, so that if a user views the article directly by url, they'll still see the attachments, right?
23:17 <@preaction> most people don't like asking for help, especially on something like computers (and especially from people who they know are smarter than them on the topic)
23:18 <@preaction> elnino: it's not something i've thought about that much, but i want it to work more like the wiki attachments, where you drag/drop the attachments to the place you want them. most likely there would still also be the <tmpl_loop attachments> for the template people
23:18 < ckotil> yah, that's too bad, when I really want to make the system work better
23:19 <@preaction> likewise, many of these trivial UI problems we have I never hear about because they aren't "bugs" per-se
23:19 < elnino> is the wiki attachments an aspect?
23:19 <@preaction> i did some training runs last year, and that's when i really got a lot of feedback on how much we could improve our basics
23:19 <@preaction> elnino: it's a form control, kinda. it's very hacky (due to the tinymce mostly)
23:20 < elnino> oh yea, I remember that.. It's very clunky. I never use it.
23:21 <@preaction> exactly
23:21 <@preaction> EXACTLY! ;-)
23:21 < elnino> i think it was a templating issue whenI tried it.- when the wiki first came out.
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00:50 <+perlDreamer> dionak++ for being the new Person Behind WebGUI
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00:52 <@preaction> dionak++; # second
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01:24 <+perlDreamer> preaction, pending the last Code Editor bug, can we call 7.8.12 a release candidate?
01:28 <@preaction> if you think so, i agree
01:28 <@preaction> most the bugs i saw were either long-standing or unverifiable
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02:55 <+perlDreamer> gotta make dinner, bbl
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03:03 < elnino_laptop> has anyone looked at cakephp? how does that compare to webgui?
03:38 <@preaction> elnino_laptop: looks like it's a framework, not a CMS
03:38 <@preaction> you'd have to build a CMS on top of it (or find a CMS built on top of it)
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04:21 <+perlDreamer> LDAP is fix_ed.
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05:52 <+patspam> mmm cake
05:52 <+patspam> ewww php
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15:47 < SquOnk> Greetings
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16:21 < ckotil> Morning. Is there any kind of reporting for the data form asset?
16:28 <+bartjol> ee, that's default isn't it ckotil?
16:29 < ckotil> not that i can see. i can go to list all entries, or export tab delimited.
16:29 <+bartjol> there is an export data function, but you can also choose "List all entries" when logged in
16:29 < ckotil> i suppose export would be sufficient
16:30 <+bartjol> the list is the "report
16:30 <+bartjol> "
16:30 <+bartjol> I suppose you can template that
16:30 < ckotil> yeah, i was hoping for breakdowns and percentages. but i can do that in excel
16:31 <+bartjol> there is a list template
16:31 <+bartjol> I suppose you can use the template toolkit to get percentages
16:31 < ckotil> yeah, good idea. thanks
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16:33 <+bartjol> ckotil: are there any approved rfe's you want supported?
16:35 < SDuensin> Greetings.
16:35 <+bartjol> still get to get rid of 10000 karma
16:36 < SDuensin> Oh, gee, poor you.
16:36 <+bartjol> yeah, I promised ning that I would spend it on rfe's
16:36 <+bartjol> but it's a bit strange to spend it all on my own rfe's
16:37 < ckotil> yeah man!
16:38 <+bartjol> like this one SDuensin? http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/10701
16:38 < ckotil> http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/10496
16:39 < ckotil> holy crap. http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/add-a-summary-meta-data-input-field-to-file-pile-asset this one has an insanely high difficulty , and a ton of karma. if only JT would lower the difficulty on it ;)
16:39 <+bartjol> ckotil: you got 1000 karma for that one
16:40 < ckotil> sweet, thanks man
16:40 <+bartjol> 3200 for the second
16:41 < ckotil> nice
16:41 <+bartjol> sd you got 100 to
16:41 <+bartjol> 1000
16:43 <+bartjol> SDuensin: and 600 for your itransact rfe
16:43 < SDuensin> WHOO!!!!!
16:43 < SDuensin> bartjol is a spendin' fool!
16:43 < ckotil> :)
16:44 <+bartjol> yeah, I feel really rich
16:44 < SDuensin> You could have ordered a dozen Gui's or something.  
16:44 <+bartjol> around 6000 left to spend
16:44 <+bartjol> yeah, but a promise is a promise
16:45 < SDuensin> This is reminding me of the old episodes of "Wheel of Fortune".  "Uh, I'd like the jade elephant for $8000, Pat."
16:45 <+bartjol> :)
16:49 < ckotil> Im all out of reasonable RFE's 
16:51 < SquOnk> "Switch to PostreSQL" <g>
16:51 < SquOnk> PostgreSQL
16:51 < SquOnk> When is 7.8 going stable?
16:51 <+bartjol> there was a timetable for that in the roadmap I believe
16:51 < ckotil> might spark your interest http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/new-starting-point-for-navigation-asset
16:52 <+bartjol> since wg 8 development is taking a lot of time, the stable declaration might be later
16:52 < SquOnk> So there won't be 7.9?
16:54 <+bartjol> I think there will be
16:54 <+bartjol> http://www.webgui.org/roadmap
16:55 <+bartjol> WebGUI 7.8 should come out as stable in the first part of 2010.
16:55 <+bartjol> that is a quote
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16:56 < SquOnk> Ok
16:56 <+bartjol> ask perldreamer later
16:57 < SquOnk> I'm thinking Debian Squeeze. The freeze is supposed to happen in March. 7.7.32 is already in Debian Sid so having 7.8 would be great
16:58 < SynQ> is the amount of years you differ to the age of JT a good age indication?
17:01 <+bartjol> ah, well, the we can only hope that "the first part of 2010" is in februari
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17:11 <+bartjol> ah perlDreameris there already a better timing for "the first part of 2010"?
17:12 <+bartjol> morning
17:12 <+bartjol> SquOnk wants to try to get 7.8 in the next debian before the freeze
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17:16 <+bartjol> or do we have to bother pb guys about the stable declaration
17:22 <+perlDreamer> when is the freeze?
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17:28 <+bartjol> march
17:30 <+perlDreamer> I think we'll make that.  It depends on how many old bugs we get fixed, and if we can stay on top of the new ones.
17:30 <+perlDreamer> WRE and webgui.org and helpdesk bugs don't count
17:32 <+bartjol> ok, but maybe it's best to communicate with Squonk about it
17:32 <+bartjol> I'm just a messenger now
17:33 <+bartjol> my finger is not deep (if at all)  in debian's porridge
17:34 <+bartjol> and Koen asks you to stop releasing so frequently, he didn't give any reason. I'm just the mailserver. bug fixing should be good
17:38 <+perlDreamer> we slowed down to every other week, that's already pretty slow
17:41 <+perlDreamer> SynQ: come and explain why every other week is too quick for a release schedule
17:45 <+perlDreamer> gotta run kids to school, be back in a bit
17:48 < SynQ> perlDreamer: I would just have more time to keep up with you
17:49 < SynQ> who needs a new version any two weeks anyway :P
17:50 < SynQ> once every 2 months should be enough for everybody
17:51 < SynQ> that will give me time to wait for my new gadgets
17:51 < SynQ> I need to get my Prius, but it is being delayed due to the break issue
17:52 < SynQ> I need to get my new iPhone, but it is being delayed due to the subscription not expired yet
17:52 <+bartjol> yeah, waiting is a labourous activity
17:53 < SDuensin> Ooo - Prius.  Gotta love a hackable car.  :-)
17:53 < SynQ> unstoppable car ;)
17:54  * SDuensin has the big brother version...   a Highlander hybrid.
17:54 < SDuensin> It may kill me with a random bug, but so far, I love the thing!
17:54 < SynQ> hmm
17:54 < SynQ> I don't think that is available in europe
17:55 < SDuensin> Was hard to get in the USA when I bought it.  They shipped mine from Tokyo!
17:55  * SynQ has a 2010 prius on order
17:56  * SynQ has gotta take his BMW home now :)
17:56 < SynQ> I'll be back in a few hours to feed perlDreamer some more crap
17:57 <+bartjol> poor pd
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18:23 <+perlDreamer> preaction: are map point info windows drawn by WebGUI, or Google?
18:26 <+bartjol> ah, the text breaking bug
18:26 <+perlDreamer> yeah, finally got enough info to duplicate it
18:27 <+perlDreamer> as far as I can tell, these come right from Google
18:31 <+bartjol> ah
18:31 <+bartjol> I haven't seen it before either
18:31 <+bartjol> almost thought something with picture dependancy
18:32 <+bartjol> but I haven't looked into it that far, just not started talking crap with vague suspicions
18:36 <+perlDreamer> there's no picture in this case, it's almost like some kind of width setting issue with URLs and long words that don't break
18:43 <+bartjol> the total width is set in the html
18:43 <+bartjol> but that's how far I came
18:43 <+bartjol> busy busy
18:44 <+perlDreamer> yes, but the HTML is autogenerated by Google, I believe
18:48 <+perlDreamer> oh, this is a real bug
18:48 <+perlDreamer> it's not a rendering problem
18:48 <+perlDreamer> the URL is being truncated somehow
18:50 <+perlDreamer> when it is submitted, the submitter sees everything okay, but if the page is reloaded, or another user comes along and edits the point, the URL is truncated to 23 characters
18:52 <+perlDreamer> oh, that is just evil and wrong!
18:52 <+perlDreamer> the website field is 22 characters long in the db.  I miscounted the length by 1.
18:53 <+bartjol> well, you found the cause
19:03 < CIA-48> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r24c7b5a / (2 files in 2 dirs): Increase the size of MapPoint fields so data is not truncated. Fixes bug #11394 - http://bit.ly/bjCu5C
19:05 < CIA-48> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rd41b589 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Increase the size of MapPoint fields so data is not truncated. Fixes bug #11394 - http://bit.ly/9JzRej
19:08 <+perlDreamer> and it's fixed
19:08 <+perlDreamer> bartjol, I've been feeling your pain
19:09 <+perlDreamer> I've done remodeling projects the last two weekends in a row
19:09 <+perlDreamer> and probably have about 4 hours more work on Saturday
19:11 <+bartjol> remodelling is just beginning to get painfull when people don't ask anymore whether how it's coming along
19:11 <+bartjol> the terrible silence
19:14 <+perlDreamer> it's taking so long, though
19:14 <+bartjol> ah just ordered tickets for the neurotic deathfest concert
19:14 <+perlDreamer> and you don't offer updates
19:14 <+bartjol> well, i can shower at home
19:14 <+perlDreamer> yeah, the neurotic deathfest
19:14 <+perlDreamer> Starring perlDreamer and the WebGUI 8 Hack Team
19:14 <+bartjol> i can't give an update for every tile i attached to the wall
19:16 <+perlDreamer> Arguing ad extremis is considered bad form, my boy
19:18 <+bartjol> well, I have to start somewhere
19:19 <+bartjol> but somewhere next week, all the tiles may be on my walls, and some people are going to give me prices for replacing my concrete floor
19:19 <+bartjol> not all tiles, not in the toilet yet
19:20 <+perlDreamer> bathroom?
19:20 <+bartjol> yes
19:20 <+bartjol> so where my shower, washing machine and wash bowl is
19:20 <+bartjol> so I can shower AND shave
19:21 <+bartjol> and do laundry (when my electricity there is installed)
19:23 <+bartjol> I hope that was enough update for now, but didn't kathy showed the pictures of my shower?
19:23 <+perlDreamer> I don't think so.  I'll have her do that tonight
19:23 <+bartjol> she said to me she liked the shower
19:24 <+bartjol> http://www.bartjol.nl/home/fotoalbums/fortos/shower-finished
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19:25 <+perlDreamer> wow!  Nice tile work, bartjol
19:25 <+bartjol> not that many pictures, and on their side, but still
19:25 <+bartjol> yeah, lot off work
19:25 <+bartjol> but I'm happy with it
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19:59 <+perlDreamer> Haarg: what do you think about using Moose delegation to handle Keywords?
20:01 <@Haarg> seems reasonable
20:02 <+perlDreamer> the only issue I see is the $asset->get('keywords'), since in that case we want to map a call to $asset->keywords to $asset->keywords->getKeywordsForAsset
20:02 <+perlDreamer> rather, $asset->getKeywordsForAsset
20:02 <+perlDreamer> but I can do that with around, I think
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20:11 <+perlDreamer> but the instanciator is a problem
20:12 <@preaction> which instantiator?
20:13 <+perlDreamer> the one that the delegator should build for WebGUI::Keyword
20:13 <@preaction> has 'keywords' => ( default => sub { WebGUI::Keyword->new( $_[0]->session, $_[0]->getId ); }, lazy => 1 );
20:14 <+perlDreamer> that looks like it's been pasted from WebGUIX :)
20:15 <@preaction> it hasn't. WebGUIx would be: __PACKAGE__->has_many( "keywords", "WebGUIx::Asset::Keyword" );
20:15 <@preaction> (DBIC)
20:18 <+perlDreamer> I'll see how that works with the delegation stuff
20:23 <+perlDreamer> preaction, did you also alter Keywords so that it would take an optional asset in the instanciator?
20:24 <@preaction> no
20:24 <@preaction> but since I hate the keywords API we have, i'm going to end up rewriting it
20:24 <+perlDreamer> I would suggest using hash based args, instead of hashrefs
20:25 <+perlDreamer> since Moose delegation and currying won't handle stuffing hashrefs, from what I'm seeing
20:25 <@preaction> no, but also the method names are horrible, you should use the delegation to fix that probably
20:26 <+perlDreamer> again, I can't, since I can't curry in the asset argument to those horribly named methods
20:26 <+perlDreamer> I'd have to change the API for Keyword
20:26 <+perlDreamer> which is legal, but more work
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22:27 < CIA-48> webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.7 * r4bf4391 / docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt : added code editor fixes to changelog - http://bit.ly/afQr9m
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23:19  * SynQ hugs perlDreamer 
23:19  * perlDreamer would hug back, but I'm doing some emergency bug fixing
23:22 < SynQ> see
23:22 < SynQ> that is what you get when you put out a lot of releases :P
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00:11 <+perlDreamer> okay, let's debate release frequency
00:11 <@preaction> we should never release
00:11 <@preaction> released software always has bugs in it
00:11 <+perlDreamer> unreleased software doesn't?
00:12 <@preaction> no, it does, but if it's unreleased people don't care
00:12 <+perlDreamer> SynQ: ping
00:15 < SynQ> piong
00:15 < SynQ> preaction: good plan
00:15 <@preaction> yay! my inbox is clean again! I can work on WebGUI 8 for the first time in 3 months!
00:18 < SynQ> yay!
00:20 <+perlDreamer> didn't we have this discussion, about 2 years ago, where we weren't releasing often enough?
00:20 <@preaction> probably
00:20 <+perlDreamer> then we went to weeklies
00:20 <+perlDreamer> and weekly didn't work for Debian, so we slowed down to every other week
00:21 <+perlDreamer> I think that no matter what we do someone is going to be unhappy
00:21 < SynQ> perlDreamer: I'm just trying to get you in the harness
00:21 < SynQ> that is very true
00:21 < SynQ> but I am happy
00:21 <+perlDreamer> so, I do have a solution for this
00:21 < SynQ> I'm just not able to keep up with the releases
00:21 <+perlDreamer> we do what preaction says, and stop releasing software
00:21 <+perlDreamer> if people want it, we have a public git repository
00:21 < SynQ> uh
00:21 <+perlDreamer> they can pull anytime they want
00:21 < SynQ> that won't work
00:22 <+perlDreamer> you can cherry pick bug fixes, skip features
00:22 <+perlDreamer> take all or none on your own schedule
00:22 <+perlDreamer> to compensate for that, all commits will require a successful run of the test suite
00:22 <+perlDreamer> otherwise it will be rejected
00:22 < SynQ> ah :)
00:22 < SynQ> so we will do minutly releases then
00:23 <+perlDreamer> no, no releases
00:23 < SynQ> every commit will be a release
00:23 <+perlDreamer> potentially, but you don't have to take it
00:23 < SynQ> hehe
00:23 < SynQ> well
00:23 < SynQ> I'm basically on that schedule for the WRE
00:23 <+perlDreamer> actually, who says that you have to install every release, SynQ?
00:23 < SynQ> nobody
00:23 <@preaction> oh, wait, i gotta fix a Wg7 bug before i can work on wg8... blast!
00:24 < SynQ> but I want to reward your hard work by using the releases
00:24 <+perlDreamer> I have to support people using 6.8, it will not offend me at all if you do not install every releaes
00:24 < SynQ> and it makes me feel sad not being able to
00:24  * perlDreamer suspectes that a Dutch chop-busting is going on...
00:24 < SynQ> with you working so hard on it and all
00:25 <@preaction> who are you supporting running 6.8?
00:25 <@preaction> none of our clients, i hope
00:25 < SynQ> client is a big word
00:26 <@preaction> it's also a 4-letter word
00:26 <+perlDreamer> yes, but it's also a 5-letter word.  Money
00:26 < SynQ> it's probably and e-tla
00:26 <+perlDreamer> no clients == no cash
00:26 <+perlDreamer> and no cash means perlDreamer has to go back to slinging silicon again
00:26 < SynQ> yuck
00:27 < SynQ> perlDreamer: keep up the good work
00:27 < SynQ> I'm going to catch some nice dreams about pearl white cars
00:28 <+perlDreamer> SynQ, I don't suppose you'd do some 7.8 testing for us, would you?
00:28 < SynQ> with brakes that work
00:28 < SynQ> perlDreamer: what kind of testing?
00:28 < SynQ> you want me to find even more bugs
00:28 <+perlDreamer> we're close to 7.8-stabl
00:28 <+perlDreamer> yes!
00:28 <+perlDreamer> please, let's find them now, instead of after the release
00:28 < SynQ> but then preaction won't be able to work on wg88
00:28 <+perlDreamer> I'll fix bugs
00:28 < SynQ> oh
00:29 < SynQ> I'd love to
00:29 < SynQ> but I have to go and lie in bed with my wife who is ill
00:29 <+perlDreamer> oh, yeah
00:29 <+perlDreamer> go do that
00:29 < SynQ> sorry
00:29 <+perlDreamer> what did you do to make her ill?
00:29 < SynQ> I did nothing wrong
00:29 < SynQ> I swear I didn't
00:30 < SynQ> it's the bad weather and her mother
00:30 <+perlDreamer> please tell her that Kathy and I will pray for her
00:30 < SynQ> she threw up in the hallway last monday
00:30 < SynQ> I will
00:30 < SynQ> hope that helps
00:31 < SynQ> do pray for her mother too then, whe need her too
00:31 < SynQ> Tessa was terrified when her mother fell to the ground after throwing up
00:31 <+perlDreamer> 1 prayer 4-pack coming up, since little Emma should not get the throwing up either
00:32 < SynQ> I have never heared such a panicky scream
00:32 < SynQ> I think Tessa thought she was going to die or something
00:32 < SynQ> but I know her mother is a though one
00:33 <+perlDreamer> and Tessa got sick, too?
00:33 < SynQ> yups
00:33 < SynQ> today
00:33 <+perlDreamer> oy
00:33 < SynQ> I had to pick her up when she was halfway on her way home
00:33 < SynQ> it's snowing badly here
00:33 < SynQ> she was really glad I did pick her up
00:34 < SynQ> so tomorrow I will be nursing both my daughter, wife and dog
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00:38 <+perlDreamer> it's nice that you have the option to work from home in emergencies
00:39 < SynQ> indeed
00:39 < SynQ> I would be very unhappy if I wouldn't have that option
00:44 <+perlDreamer> are JS regular expressions as greedy as Perl regexen?
00:44 < SynQ> dunno
00:45 < SynQ> now I'm going to bed for real
00:45 < SynQ> nite nite
00:45 <+perlDreamer> good night, my friend
00:45 <@preaction> perlDreamer: yes
00:46 <+perlDreamer> then this gobbles: /<[^>]*>/g
00:46 <@preaction> it gobbles what i want it to gobble
00:46 <@preaction> <, any character that is not a >, and >
00:47 <@preaction> oh, we're not working on the same problem
00:47 <@preaction> are we?
00:47  * perlDreamer is trying to help, but I should probably stick with wg8
00:48 < CIA-48> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r5494a36 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Shelf.pm : Remove filter calls in Shelf when importing. - http://bit.ly/aq4jBv
00:48 <@preaction> no, please, i can't figure this out
00:48 <@preaction> i can't even reproduce it anymore for some reason
00:48 <+perlDreamer> IE8 on XP
00:49 <@preaction> okay, i'll try that
00:49 <+perlDreamer> sorry, IE7 on XP
00:49 <@preaction> IE7 works for me
00:49 <@preaction> IE6 too
00:54  * perlDreamer will try again
00:55 <@preaction> HOLY CRAP it just did it!
00:55 <+perlDreamer> are you using the realyLongLine file?
00:55 <+perlDreamer> it breaks for me every time
00:55 <@preaction> yeah, i
00:55 <@preaction> m
00:56 <@preaction> thinking it was because i copy/pasted from an existing code editor instead of the original text
00:56 <@preaction> or maybe because i copy/pasted from a web browser, where things were already escaped
00:57 <@preaction> damnit, why did it have to be IE? it's impossible to debug things quickly in IE...
01:00 <@preaction> it's happening before the highlight routines
01:00 <@preaction> it happens whether or not there's a space after the </a>, but putting a space there changes what happens
01:02 <+perlDreamer> strange that it only works for pasting
01:02 <@preaction> i have a theory: what if the YUI Editor is doing something to the pasted stuff
01:03 <+perlDreamer> if that is true, then we can check the carousel
01:08 <@preaction> it might be necessary for the normal Editor, but wrong for the code editor, but do check
01:12 <+perlDreamer> I'm reinstalling IE7 right now
01:17 <+perlDreamer> this thing is slower than frozen whale snot
01:17 <+perlDreamer> 2 reboots to install IE7
01:18 <@preaction> nice
01:23 <+perlDreamer> carousel seems to work okay
01:26 <+perlDreamer> Pasting only the last little bit causes the problem to show up
01:26 <+perlDreamer> <a href="http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/">Home</a>
01:29 <+perlDreamer> try this
01:29 <+perlDreamer> paste the line above
01:29 <+perlDreamer> then hit enter two time
01:29 <+perlDreamer> then paste again
01:29 <+perlDreamer> and each newline will show up as $1
01:32 <@preaction> different bug, i cleaned out some old code and missed it
01:34 <+perlDreamer> you can undo it
01:34 <+perlDreamer> if you paste, then hit Ctrl-Z, it will undo the brokeness
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01:36 <+perlDreamer> that is some nasty predistort
01:37 <+perlDreamer> I see what you mean about it happening before the highlight
01:37 <+perlDreamer> the code gets all wierded up, then the highlight code breaks it
01:40 <@preaction> it is something to do with the highlight, i moved the highlight code from keyup to beforeeditorkeydown
01:40 <@preaction> and now i paste, and everything appears fine, then i hit enter and it breaks
01:42 <@preaction> when i put target="_blank" after the href="" in the home tag, it doesn't break
01:43 <+perlDreamer> for me, it's still broken if we extend SimpleEditor instead of Editor
01:43 <+perlDreamer> but it's less JS...
01:47 <+perlDreamer> it's the link highlighting code
01:47 <+perlDreamer> in the core editor
01:47 <+perlDreamer> it's inserting stuff that's bunging up the highlighter
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01:47 <@preaction> what line?
01:47 <+perlDreamer> I don't know.  I went to dev.yahoo.com and tried some of their examples
01:48 <+perlDreamer> and then I noticed that the link underlining is in exactly the same place as the broken code inserted by the editor before the highlighting
01:48 <@preaction> and it happens there too?
01:48 <+perlDreamer> yes, but differently
01:48 <+perlDreamer> can we disable link underlining/detection?
01:49 <@preaction> if yui is putting in links, it must be putting in some of its own markup
01:50 <+perlDreamer> yes
01:50 <+perlDreamer> and that's what's messing up the highlighting (IMO)
01:51 <+perlDreamer> I pasted in <a href="http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu">Home</a>
01:51 <+perlDreamer> and it underlined everything from http:// all the way to the end of the closing anchor tag
01:54 <+perlDreamer> I'll take some screenshots and paste them up somewhere.
01:55 <@preaction> i see that too, when i paste using the menu instead of Ctrl+V
01:59 <@preaction> it's the _fixNodes method in simpleeditor
02:00 <@preaction> before the yui editor does anything to the text, we need to escape the HTML, agreed?
02:07 <@preaction> nope, nm, not _fixNodes
02:15 <@preaction> it's _nodeChange, or something called by it
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02:21 <@preaction> nope, not that either. they're both overridden and no change
02:44 <+perlDreamer> http://yuilibrary.com/projects/yui2/ticket/2082723
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02:47 <+perlDreamer> preaction: that first link was interesting, this one is the answer http://yuilibrary.com/projects/yui2/ticket/2528548
02:48 <+perlDreamer> dav: "        Setting to future, pasting into the Editor is not supported.      "
02:48 <+perlDreamer> if it works at all, it must be accidental
02:48 <@preaction> "pasting into the Editor is not supported."
02:48 <@preaction> fuck
02:49 <@preaction> but yes, that is the problem
02:49 <@preaction> i'll mark it waiting on external, then i'll see about fixing the bug in YUI. this is not an acceptable bug...
02:50 <+perlDreamer> that bug is about pasting from the Editor into the Editor, but still, this is close enough
02:50 <@preaction> so we are where we started really, there's still a bug that needs fixing, it just won't prevent us from going stable...
02:51 <@preaction> oh, this might not be the same problem
02:51 <@preaction> at least, that problem is easy to fix
02:56 <+perlDreamer> I don't see any show stopper bugs on the list now.
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03:10 <@preaction> i'm thinking now that it's actually IE doing this
03:10 <@preaction> when it inserts HTML elements, they're upper-case
03:11 <+perlDreamer> I opened up a bug for it on their site: http://yuilibrary.com/projects/yui2/ticket/2528789
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03:15 <+perlDreamer> all the HTML elements I"m seeing on IE7 are still lower case
03:15 <@preaction> you have to get the HTML before the highlighter gets to it
03:15 <@preaction> let me start up a logging instance, i've been doing alert() bs, and IE doesn't let you copy/paste from alerts
03:15 <+perlDreamer> but we wrote the highlighter
03:16 <+perlDreamer> that shouldn't be a problem at all
03:17 <@preaction> i'll paste what IE does to the html. turning it back into text right away actually works, but highlighting what it does to the html doesn't work
03:18 <+perlDreamer> maybe the SimpleEditor is not the right "tool" to build this on top of
03:18 <+perlDreamer> but I'm not about to suggest that to Dav ;)
03:19 <@preaction> eh, i think the editor needs a ground-up rewrite to be honest
03:21 <+perlDreamer> Gooey makes a very good cable management tool
03:27 <@preaction> http://gist.github.com/301096 <- this is what IE did
03:30 <+perlDreamer> yes, although you can duplicate the bug with the smaller snippet: <a href="http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/">Home</a>
03:30 <@preaction> yes, and even smaller. i think it's the www., or http://, or something.something.{com|net|org|edu|gov}
03:31 <@preaction> if it can be detected, it can be worked around
03:32 <@preaction> oh, duh. if the highlighted text contains an <A ... /A>...
03:32 <+perlDreamer> maybe, if we had a way to turn off the Editor and turn it back into a text area, then it would safe to paste?
03:34 <@preaction> but why? i mean, i'm going to add one anyway, but why do it just to work around a bug?
03:34 <@preaction> right now we just remove the actual tags, leaving the content between the tags
03:34 <+perlDreamer> because in the short term, I think it would be the workaround for ALL bugs
03:34 <@preaction> problem here: IE is adding a full <A> CONTENT </A> tag
03:34 <+perlDreamer> just turn it off
03:35 <@preaction> what other bugs are there?
03:35 <+perlDreamer> turning off the editor would have addressed the focus bug
03:35 <+perlDreamer> I don't think we've used the Code Editor enough to really shake it out yet
03:36 <@preaction> oh, that focus bug
03:37 <@preaction> if we give users a workaround, they'll always use it, but worse: They'll never report the problems
03:37 <+perlDreamer> true
03:37 <@preaction> it's incredible to me, but apparently people don't like reporting problems
03:37 <+perlDreamer> it's just laziness
03:37 <@preaction> anyway, imma post a diff, could you verify?
03:38 <+perlDreamer> yeah
03:38 <@preaction> http://gist.github.com/301110
03:40 <@preaction> nm, doesn't work. works for the small one, but not the big example
03:41 <+perlDreamer> it's a start
03:42 <@preaction> it's because for some reason the ">Home is put into the URL unescaped...
03:45 <@preaction> you know, this wouldn't be so difficult if IE actually added VALID HTML FOR GOD'S SAKE
03:47 <@preaction> &lt;a href="<A href='http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/">Home</a></div'>http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/"&gt;Home&lt;/a&gt; <- i need to change that to &lt;a href="<A href='http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/">Home</a></div'>http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/"&gt;Home&lt;/a&gt;
03:48 <@preaction> href=(['"]).*?\1 <- would do it in Perl, but can't seem to do it in JS
03:48 <@preaction> oh, wait, right, before that i can't do that (it will nest "", thus creating completely broken HTML no matter what)
03:51 <+perlDreamer> it wants to become 
03:51 <+perlDreamer> &lt;a href="<A href='http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/'>http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/"&gt;Home&lt;/a&gt;
03:52 <+perlDreamer> uh, getting closer
03:52 <+perlDreamer> &lt;a href="<A href='http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/'>http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/</A>"&gt;Home&lt;/a&gt;
03:56 <@preaction> so what i want is <A .+? >anything</A>
03:58 <+perlDreamer> single quotes work fine in the short snippet
03:59  * perlDreamer takes a dinner break
04:00 <@preaction> ... i'm going to have to actually parse this...
04:01 <@preaction> that's the real problem: i'm parsing HTML with regular expressions
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04:22 <@preaction> HA! I think I got it now
04:22 <@preaction> but it's a much much bigger patch
04:24 <@preaction> perlDreamer: Try this diff and let me know? http://gist.github.com/301132
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04:33 <+perlDreamer> preaction: excelsior!
04:33 <@preaction> it works?
04:33 <+perlDreamer> both the small snippet and long snippet work
04:34 <@preaction> yay! now to make it more sane
04:34 <+perlDreamer> hold on
04:35 <+perlDreamer> negative, the long one does not work
04:36 <+perlDreamer> yes, it did
04:36 <+perlDreamer> stoopid Notepad
04:37 <@preaction> whew
04:37 <+perlDreamer> that works, just drop an entire HTML parser into it
04:38 <@preaction> yep!
04:38 <+perlDreamer> not it will only break for CSS, JS XML and other stuff :)
04:38 <+perlDreamer> be back later tonight
04:38 <@preaction> but IE doesn't add extra CSS, JS, or XML
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05:16 < elnino> hmm. somewhere I saw where I can add icons for additional file types.. Where did I see that?
05:23 < elnino> ah foudn it.
05:55 <+perlDreamer> where's that?
05:56 <+perlDreamer> preaction, now can you start on some wg8?
06:00 <@preaction> well, tomorrow after i commit that change, yeah
06:00 < elnino> perlDreamer, are you asking me?
06:00 <+perlDreamer> yup, how do you add extra file icons?
06:01 < elnino> wrote it up here just for you =)  : http://www.webgui.org/wiki/adding-new-file-asset-icons
06:02 <+perlDreamer> those can also be filed as bugs, to be added to the core
06:04 <+perlDreamer> especially if they're formatted as patches against the latest WebGUI rev
06:04 <+perlDreamer> also, if you submit a patch to fix a bug, I can give you karma
06:05 <+perlDreamer> that's not as good as grace and everlasting salvation, but it works pretty well in the WebGUI community
06:05 < elnino> lol..  
06:05 < elnino> I don't know what the appropriate icon is for m4a, all I did was copies mp3's icon. 
06:06 < elnino> I just wanted something other than "unknown"
06:07 < elnino> I was kinda curious as to how you guys decided on mp3's icon, I didn't find "webgui's choice of icon" in images.google.com. 
06:07 < elnino> not that I'm an expert. There is only so much you can show in t 16x16
06:07 < elnino> s/t/a
06:08 < elnino> so how do I generate a patch?  is there a way to use diff?
06:08  * elnino looks
06:17 <+perlDreamer> to use diff, you'd need two branches, the original, and the new
06:17 <+perlDreamer> or, to use git to pull a repository from github, and you can do a diff against that
06:18 <@preaction> if you do a google for "famfamfam", i think i want to change webgui's icon set to that in 7.9 or 8.0
06:38 < elnino> I posted an bugreport with the patch. Thanks!
06:39 <@preaction> no, thank you
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07:35 <+perlDreamer> hola, patspam
07:35 <+patspam> hey hey!
07:35 <+patspam> thunderstorms here
07:35 <+perlDreamer> what time are you flying over Oregon?
07:36 <+patspam> well, I leave melbourne 12pm Friday EST
07:36 <+patspam> (friday week that is)
07:36 <+patspam> so... (are you planning on waving as I fly over?)
07:36 <+perlDreamer> I will.  And I'll point at a nearby winery, too
07:37 <+patspam> nice! fingers crossed about OSCON
07:37 <+patspam> then you can actually take me to one :)
07:37 <+perlDreamer> If you get invited to OSCON, I'll take you to several
07:38 <+patspam> I did my FilePump talk at Melbourne OSDC last night (open source developers club)
07:38 <+patspam> got lots of questions from people interested in wG afterwards
07:39 <+perlDreamer> awesome.  Don't forget to mention that we're moving to Moose, too.
07:39 <+perlDreamer> http://explorer.oregonwine.org/winery/search/intro
07:41 <+patspam> yeah! Moose, memcached, plack.. wG is going to be the poster-child of modern perl
07:41 <+patspam> is DBIx part of wg8?
07:42 <+perlDreamer> no, that's the one  missing piece
07:42 <+perlDreamer> preaction says that's a wg9 piece
07:42 <@preaction> you mean DBIC?
07:42 <+patspam> yeah
07:42 <@preaction> yeah, not yet
07:42 <+patspam> probably sensible to try not to rewrite absolutely everything in one iteration
07:42 <@preaction> we have to figure out why my performance tests put it at 50% of the speed of the current system
07:43 <@preaction> baby steps, after all
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07:46 <+perlDreamer> time for this baby to crawl into bed
07:46 <+perlDreamer> good night, friends and hackers, all
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16:29 < SDuensin> Greetings.
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18:24 <+bartjol> haha, I was right
18:26 <+perlDreamer> but of course
18:27 <+bartjol> and dit you berate your wife about not passing on the updates on my house?
18:27 <+perlDreamer> No, I had to apologize.  She had shown me those pictures before
18:27 <+perlDreamer> I forgot
18:28 <+perlDreamer> As I get older, it gets easier to do both of those
18:28 <+bartjol> that can happen, on a busy road, grass does not grow
18:29 <+perlDreamer> You Dutch people are just full of sayings
18:36 <+perlDreamer> dang
18:36 <+perlDreamer> paginator bug
18:37 <+bartjol> we are, we like sayings that make us full
18:51 < CIA-48> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rc785474 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix pagination isses in Active Sessions when a session is deleted. Fixes bug #11400 - http://bit.ly/ap1dMZ
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18:52 < CIA-48> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r55257ec / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix pagination issues in Active Sessions when a session is deleted. Fixes bug #11400 - http://bit.ly/b9imv2
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19:01 <+perlDreamer> bopbop, I just committed a minor change to Active Sessions that you should know about
19:01 <+perlDreamer> if you delete a session, it would reset you to page 1
19:01 <+perlDreamer> and it doesn't do that anymore
19:01 <@bopbop> ok...now it does what?
19:01 <@bopbop> nothing?
19:01 <+perlDreamer> it takes you back to the same page
19:01 <@bopbop> ah
19:01 <@bopbop> ok
19:02 <+perlDreamer> so if you had lots of sessions, and were on page 3/10, and delete a session from that page, it takes you back to page 3 again
19:02 <@bopbop> alright
19:02 <@bopbop> that's better :)
19:09 <+perlDreamer> I did briefly think about starting a pronoun/grammar debate, arguing "that" would refer to "reset you to page 1"
19:09 <+perlDreamer> then I remembered I'd be debating grammar with a professional writer and teacher
19:09 <+perlDreamer> and thought better of it
19:11 <+perlDreamer> now I think I'll go to the gym
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20:26 <+perlDreamer> that's awesome!
20:27 <+perlDreamer> Gooey is in the new Toy Story 3 movie!
20:27 <+perlDreamer> I love the publicity
20:27 < SDuensin> hehe
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22:04 < elnino> hi. I added a site search to the site, and NOTHING shows up.. Is it normal proceedure to have to reindex your site when you add a search asset?
22:04 <@preaction> no
22:05 < elnino> hmm. ok. then, I know there were a bunch of issues on webgui.org with the search, what version did those get fixed?
22:09 < elnino> hmm. after I did a indexsite, I'm still not getting any results. and I know the word I'm search for is in there MANy times.
22:09 <@preaction> is it a stopword?
22:09 < elnino> ?
22:10 < elnino> isaiah
22:10 <@preaction> then i don't know
22:10 < elnino> grr.. hold on.
22:10 < elnino> there it is. 
22:10  * elnino is embarrased
22:37 <+perlDreamer> nah, nothing to worry about
22:37 <+perlDreamer> embarrassed is when you put bugs into WebGUI
22:39 <@preaction> nah, embarrassed is when you take down customer servers
22:39 <@preaction> or make a release destroy websites
22:39 <+perlDreamer> I've done that, too
22:40 <+perlDreamer> but of course, you knew that which is WHY YOU SAID IT IN A PUBLIC IRC CHANNEL!!!!
22:42 <@preaction> you too? OMG WE HAVE SO MUCH IN COMMON!
22:42 <+perlDreamer> we may have stuff in common, but I'm not signing up for the "Busted Hacker in December" program
22:43 <+perlDreamer> this year is JT's turn
22:44 <@preaction> well, there is that memcached driver he wrote and committed that doesn't actually ever cache anything
22:45 < elnino> too funny
22:46 <+perlDreamer> are you serious?
22:46 <@preaction> yep
22:46 <+perlDreamer> no wonder it benchmarks so well
22:46 < elnino> lol
22:46 <@preaction> you mean poorly
22:46 <@preaction> it benched the same as our current DB cache driver
22:46 <@preaction> (which makes sense, since it would always go to the DB to get data)
22:49 <@preaction> are we on 7.7.33 now?
22:49 <+perlDreamer> yes
22:49 <+perlDreamer> and I owe you an email about Keywords in wg8
22:51 <@preaction> i owe you one on when/how we're going to make the root WG8 branch (which we should do soon, merging static_definition, form_builder, and innodb
22:52 <+perlDreamer> there's already a root webgui8 branch, WebGUI8
22:52 <+perlDreamer> it just needs some love, attention, and merging with conflict resolution
22:53 <+perlDreamer> I vote we make Haarg do it
22:53 <@preaction> it needs to be rebuilt from static_definition, after pulling out any needed code
22:53 <+perlDreamer> actually, I vote that you make me do it with Haarg for moral and technical support
22:53 <@preaction> i don't even want to know how we're going to keep merging master with WebGUI8 over and over
22:54 < CIA-48> webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.7 * rbaa7849 / (4 files in 4 dirs): 
22:54 < CIA-48> webgui: fix #11285: Pasting HTML into Code Editor in IE
22:54 < CIA-48> webgui: Conflicts:
22:54 < CIA-48> webgui:  docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt
22:54 < CIA-48> webgui:  www/extras/yui-webgui/build/code-editor/code-editor.js - http://bit.ly/d5zprY
22:54 < CIA-48> webgui: Doug Bell master * r0041aee / (4 files in 4 dirs): fix #11285: Pasting HTML into Code Editor in IE - http://bit.ly/9eXAOB
22:55 <+perlDreamer> with wg8 taking so long, we don't have many options
22:55 <@preaction> true
22:55 <+perlDreamer> for example, the Thingy tests go into an infinite loop that I think I fixed in the master branch
22:56 < CIA-48> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r059cb42 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm : Update Thingy for Moose. - http://bit.ly/cmHoGR
22:57 <+perlDreamer> if you fix the caching, I bet the Article tests will pass
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23:20 <@Haarg> i started looking at merging static_definition and WebGUI8, but the first things i ran into were conflicts regarding cache changes
23:20 <@preaction> well we're pulling out the changes to cache, and iirc those are the only changes in WebGUI8
23:21 <@Haarg> other than some small stuff
23:21 <@preaction> the innodb stuff is in another branch, but i'll take a look anyway
23:21 <@Haarg> but we'll also want to merge in master
23:21 <@Haarg> i stopped working on the merge when i saw the cache changes because i know it is going to change
23:21 <@preaction> yes
23:21 <@Haarg> but on the other hand, a lot of the cache changes could still be relevant
23:22 <@preaction> also true, i'm going to save them before i go further
23:22 <@Haarg> since it changes to using $session->cache->something
23:22 <@preaction> hell, i could just mv WebGUI8 -> cache, mv static_definition -> WebGUI8, and then start merging stuff
23:32 <+perlDreamer> mv?
23:32 <+perlDreamer> not merge?
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00:01 <+perlDreamer> time to go fetch the kiddos
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02:10 < CIA-48> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r54fa46a / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/ProjectManager.pm : Update ProjectManager for Moose. - http://bit.ly/9aOZiG
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02:37 < CIA-48> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r3d1491a / (2 files): Updating Poll and MultiSearch for Moose. Poll conversion is not finished yet. - http://bit.ly/aUAsU7
02:37 < CIA-48> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r3596944 / asset_status.ods : Updated status spreadsheet. - http://bit.ly/aherRs
02:40 < CIA-48> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r2cb4bc4 / (6 files): remove definition subroutine from these already converted assets. - http://bit.ly/cU4rDl
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03:54 < SquOnk> Greetings.
03:54 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: Got your message.
03:54 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: What's needed for the UTF8 bug? (It's the SynContent one, right?)
04:39 <+perlDreamer> yes, I thought you were going to have a look at it, then you got busy with school and all
04:39 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: Aha
04:39 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: So, it's a matter of getting the tests running
04:40 <+perlDreamer> SquOnk: I believe so.  Didn't Haarg send you some extra, non-core tests that were failing?
04:41 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: Yes, but I didn't bookmark it
04:41 <+perlDreamer> hm, let's check the IRC logs
04:44 <+perlDreamer> SquOnk: there is a little bit here: http://mentalhouse.net/irc/logs/webgui/2009-12.log
04:45 <+perlDreamer> but the log in January 2010 is spotty
04:45 <+perlDreamer> I do remember Haarg sending you a link, but that is all
04:46 < SquOnk> I'll ask him again tomorrow
04:46 < SquOnk> I have a long weekend ahead, since monday and tuesday are holidays here.
04:46 < SquOnk> No point in going to the office
04:46  * perlDreamer suggests an email, instead of IRC talk
04:52 < SquOnk> Well, off to sleep.
04:52 < SquOnk> Let's talk about it tomorrow
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05:15 < CIA-48> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r3d733a1 / lib/WebGUI/Definition/Role/Object.pm : Add subtext to list of form fields that will do i18n lookups. - http://bit.ly/9NylAx
05:20 < CIA-48> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rd3ea16a / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/InOutBoard.pm : Update InOutBoard for Moose. - http://bit.ly/96uquG
05:21 < CIA-48> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r4f2c549 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/InOutBoard.pm : remove the definition sub. - http://bit.ly/bxS33b
05:29 < CIA-48> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r03ccc7f / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/HttpProxy.pm : Update HttpProxy for Moose. - http://bit.ly/dAJRj1
05:32 < CIA-48> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r3b4dd65 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/File/ZipArchive.pm : Update for Moose accessors - http://bit.ly/ar1ATI
05:37 < CIA-48> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r3e61af5 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Redirect.pm : Update Redirect for Moose. - http://bit.ly/cmaaob
05:37 <+perlDreamer> There are a lot of Assets in WebGUI
05:38 <+perlDreamer> 55 of them
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06:32 < CIA-48> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r8c38f88 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/RichEdit.pm : RichEditor is updated for Moose. Still needs toolbar row support for editing. - http://bit.ly/cSuMiv
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07:02 < elnino_laptop> ok experts!!! What do I need to know about putting videos on a website?  what do I need to look at for bandwidth considerations?
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16:13 < elnino_laptop> what is patspam's website?
16:13 < elnino_laptop> sorry, sdh's website
16:14 < elnino_laptop> oh never mind. foundit.
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17:48 <+perlDreamer> whoa!  Hordes of PB people in IRC.
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17:54 <+perlDreamer> preaction, I'm sorry
18:46 <@Haarg> perlDreamer, is there any reason to keep the moose-definition branch around?
18:46 <+perlDreamer> none that I can think of
18:46 <+perlDreamer> it's all merged into static_definition, so deleting the branch won't lose any history
18:46 <+perlDreamer> are you wg8'ing today, Haarg?
18:47 <@Haarg> i'll help if i can.  i have a number of other things to do as well.
18:48 <+perlDreamer> if you want to slough off tasks to me to free you up for wg8, let me know
18:49 <@Haarg> it's client stuff
18:49 <+perlDreamer> preaction said not to do any wg8 work today, due to merging
18:49 <@Haarg> it should be pretty easy to re-merge anything if you continued working, but playing it safe may be a good idea
18:50 <+perlDreamer> there are always bugs to fix :)
18:50 < CIA-48> webgui: Graham Knop static_definition * rf037edf / lib/WebGUI/Definition.pm : always enable perl 5.10 features in Definition based classes - http://bit.ly/cGpqY7
19:25 < CIA-48> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * ra2bdf95 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Add a M4A icon - http://bit.ly/chF2MU
19:25 < CIA-48> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r56223cc / (3 files in 3 dirs): Add a M4A icon - http://bit.ly/asmYep
21:01 < CIA-48> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r750aec8 / docs/migration.txt : Update migration docs for instanciators and Moose defintion. - http://bit.ly/c3OidC
21:01 < CIA-48> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r74ccbef / lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm : Update POD in Asset.pm for ->new - http://bit.ly/9VCtEh
21:11 <@preaction> you know, now that i think about it, why are the following things assets?
21:11 <@preaction> Rich Editor, Template
21:12 <@Haarg> templates get versioning
21:12 <@preaction> okay, that'd be nice to keep
21:13 <@Haarg> rich editor that is of questionable value.
21:13 <@Haarg> versioning, organization, packaging, prototyping.
21:14 <@preaction> which reminds me that i want packages to be able to include stuff like workflows and settings
21:15 <@Haarg> i'm not sure how to do it, but it's worth thinking about combining packages and prototypes for in-site use, and have packages for exporting/importing as a separate system.
21:16 <+perlDreamer> how is the merge going?
21:16 <+perlDreamer> I'm anxious to get the SQL Report back up to speed
21:16 <@preaction> still doing support
21:16 <+perlDreamer> am I clear to hack for a while then?
21:16 <@preaction> go for it
21:16 <@preaction> once i do support i have to fix TGC
21:16 <+perlDreamer> what needs to be fixed?
21:16 <+perlDreamer> or do you mean "neutered" :D
21:17 <@preaction> oh, well, it seems that i can't just add a row to the db, because building a page can take 20-40 minutes
21:17 <+perlDreamer> ugh
21:18 <@preaction> oh, and i checked on the stats of the mac they got in the office, and it's a 2.4Ghz Core 2 Duo with 2GB RAM
21:18 <+perlDreamer> that ought to build PDFs pretty easily
21:19 <@preaction> well, the server has 2 dual-core 2.4G processors with 4G RAM
21:19 <@preaction> and it takes 20-40 minutes (but it is niced down)
21:19 <@preaction> of course, modperl probably takes up 2G of that
21:19 <@preaction> (well, webgui entire)
21:19 <+perlDreamer> probably
21:20 <@preaction> but yes, i do believe that the mac sitting on that desk will have no problem handling PDF generation
21:20 <@preaction> i'm going to use my mac mini (less powerful than that mac) to test it
21:20 <@preaction> just because they said i couldn't do it, doesn't mean i can't spend my free time on it
21:33 < CIA-48> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rd6cbcf4 / (3 files in 3 dirs): getFormProperties now also passes i18n arguments to sprintf if requested. - http://bit.ly/ajNvcw
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22:06 < doc777> Hello friends :o)    When using the latest wre / webgui what determines the default site shown when you pull up the server by ipaddress?  I would like to change that...
22:11 <@preaction> doc777: the default vhost is the first vhost listed in the apache configuration
22:11 <@preaction> under the WRE, this is the first alphabetically
22:11 <@preaction> if you go into the etc/modproxy.conf file and look for "Include *.modproxy", if you put a <VirtualHost *:80> block before that, you can make a new default vhost
22:11 < doc777> Yep, they are in alpha order. Thank you!
22:12 < doc777> Ok great, I will check that out.
22:20 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, before I go reinventing the wheel, did you figure out how to use WebGUI::Definition properties and attributes when creating roles?
22:21 <@Haarg> no, i haven't tried to do that
22:24 <+perlDreamer> I'll think about it while I'm running
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22:42 < doc777> my webgui log is filling up with"/WebGUI/Content/FilePump.pm line 6".  Is this something I should look into?  :o)
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00:37 < elnino> what is this "cloud computing"  Someone was talking about using amazon ec2 for hosting a website?  what???
00:57 <@preaction> us pirg uses ec2 to host webgui sites
00:57 <@preaction> cap10morgan has worked with them (or does work for them)
00:57 <@preaction> i think, could be wrong
00:59 <+cap10morgan> yes that's correct
00:59 <+cap10morgan> but i'm leaving staff at the end of the month
00:59 <+cap10morgan> (and am running out the door right at the moment too, sorry)
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06:34 < elnino> preaction - I just saw you're response about ec2
06:34 < elnino> is us pirg a company?
06:34 < elnino> or typo =)
06:34 < elnino> and how is cloud computing differnet than just getting a server?
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15:30 < carogray> helloooooooooo?
15:31 < carogray> does anyone know where I can find Steve's presentation on HTML expressions I think it was at the WUC 2009 where he gave examples of CASE statements?
15:31 < carogray> template expressions
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19:47 < elnino> hello everyone!
19:47 <@Haarg> morning
19:48 < elnino> Hi oh quiet one!
19:48 < elnino> I haven't played with thingy much of late since 2008, is there a way to uplaod data to populate a thingy yet? and which version?
19:49 <@Haarg> like a csv import?
19:49 < elnino> yest that would work. The original db is msaccess (blech)
19:49 < elnino> s/yest/yes
19:51 <+perlDreamer> Thing has a www_import method
19:51 <+perlDreamer> so, I'll say "probably"
19:51 < elnino> do you know when that was added?
19:51 <@Haarg> it was always there
19:52 < elnino> I dont' recall the import... oh. ok. great.
19:52 <@Haarg> i've never used it though and i don't know where it is in the interface
19:53 < elnino> I'll play around with it some before I make promises to the customer.
19:53 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, in the wg8 migration notes it says that fieldType cannot be a subref.  Several assets have variable karma fields, depending on whether or not karma is enabled for a site.
19:53 < elnino> Id didn't remember the import in the interface either.
19:53 <+perlDreamer> Is there a different/recommended way for not showing a field?
19:54 <@Haarg> yes
19:55 <+perlDreamer> ...what is it?
19:55 <@Haarg> um
19:56 <@Haarg> maybe there isn't.  i know it's something i discussed with jt when we were first doing wg8 definition stuff.
19:56 <+perlDreamer> Maybe it's in the FormBuilder stuff
19:56 <+perlDreamer> I'll ask Doug via email
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20:04 <@Haarg> perlDreamer, looks like we were going with 'visible' => 0
20:04 <@Haarg> 7f474ed7bc122277563b2b8614f362dafa00e651
20:05 <+perlDreamer> what branch is that?
20:05 <@Haarg> static_definition pre-merge
20:05 <+perlDreamer> uh-oh
20:06 <+perlDreamer> I'll add that back in
20:06 <+perlDreamer> well, migration.txt says to use noFormPost instead of visible
20:07 <+perlDreamer> maybe there's a later, pre-merge version that removes that.
20:09 < mducharme> hrm.. anybody in here read japanese?
20:09 < mducharme> by any chance? lol
20:09 <+perlDreamer> Google does
20:12 < mducharme> the problem is I want to buy something online from japan, I don't think google would be able to translate https pages
20:13 <+perlDreamer> good point
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20:37 <+perlDreamer> Hey, preaction!
20:37 <@preaction> sup
20:38 <+perlDreamer> Hacking and happy
20:38 <+perlDreamer> 'tis a good day so far
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21:03 < CIA-60> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r5047410 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Subscription.pm : Remove definition sub. - http://bit.ly/9UBd5h
21:03 < CIA-60> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r97c233d / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/ThingyRecord.pm : Update ThingyRecord for Moose. - http://bit.ly/9rgEhb
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21:15 < CIA-60> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r2e27ab9 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/ThingyRecord.pm : Remove definition sub. - http://bit.ly/cW64cl
21:15 < CIA-60> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rb48587c / (asset_status.ods lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/EMSBadge.pm): Update EMSBadge for Moose. Still needs a customDrawMethod replacement. - http://bit.ly/aKzsB3
21:15 <+perlDreamer> preaction: I added a MapPoint icon this morning.
21:15 <+perlDreamer> it's nothing fancy
21:17 <@preaction> cool
21:19 < CIA-60> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r6c26c2e / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/EMSRibbon.pm : Update EMSRibbon for Moose. - http://bit.ly/bzD8pn
21:37 <@preaction> perlDreamer: better question re shipping-optional: why do paydrivers get their own address information?
21:37 <@preaction> ooh, best question: Wtf is that stupid address book thing?
21:38 <+perlDreamer> because sometimes people pay for things that go to another address
21:38 <+perlDreamer> re AddressBook: yup.
21:38 <@preaction> right, but why does every paydriver get the opportunity to grab an address in a different way?
21:38 <+perlDreamer> it reduces 1 screen
21:38 <@preaction> you don't fill in the bill address until you're in the paydriver
21:39 <+perlDreamer> if you intend to use the same pay address as ship address, then it's already filled out, and you don't need another screen that captures VISA number, etc.
21:39 <@preaction> if they really want to shorten the checkout process, i've got a wonderful, two-screen solution
21:39 <@preaction> two steps, that's it
21:40 <@preaction> you open the cart and if you don't have an address, it shows the form to put one (putting the "save address as..." field right inline. it also shows the option for a separate billing address right there, and then there's a series of buttons for each payment method
21:40 <@preaction> the second step is the paydriver's necessary information
21:40 <@preaction> then you're done
21:41  * preaction is Marty Chang
21:41 <+perlDreamer> I have to enter in an address to see my cart?
21:41 <@preaction> no... it's below the cart
21:42 <+perlDreamer> oh, that's nice
21:42 <+perlDreamer> who is Marty Chang?
21:43 <@preaction> a short web series, his dad's asian
21:45 < CIA-60> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r4723f2d / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/EMSTicket.pm : Update EMSTicket for Moose. Needs custom draw method work. - http://bit.ly/cUYxQz
21:45 < CIA-60> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rd1a7619 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/EMSTicket.pm : Update EMSTicket for Moose. Needs customDrawMethod work. - http://bit.ly/9F7Otn
21:45 <+perlDreamer> 12 more assets to go
21:45 <+perlDreamer> for bulk conversion, at least
21:46 <+perlDreamer> then comes Roles and Keywords, and some customDrawMethods
21:46 <+perlDreamer> I think Poll may need a complete overhaul
21:46 <@preaction> oh most likely
21:46 <@preaction> why do we have isShippingRequired on Sku if we can't disable shipping information?
21:48 <+perlDreamer> That's on a per-sku basis
21:48 <+perlDreamer> if isShippingRequired is set to 0, it doesn't get added to the shipping drivers for weight and cost calculations
21:49 <@preaction> right, but if all products do not require shipping, why do we require a shipping address?
21:49 <+perlDreamer> for calculating taxes :D
21:49 <@preaction> but taxes are calculated with the billing address
21:49 <@tavisto> shorten the checkout you say? I say... HOORAY
21:49 <@tavisto> ;)
21:49 <@preaction> they MUST be calculated with the billing address, it's the rules
21:50 <@preaction> tavisto: Paul would have done it, but it seems someone else might get to it first
21:50 <@preaction> if I can convince them to go all the way, instead of just what they want (remove shipping)
21:51 <@preaction> ... great, it uses the shipping address to calculate taxes
21:51 <@preaction> so now i get to go look up interstate commerce law and find out who is responsible for the taxes
21:52 <+perlDreamer> it's supposed to be based on billing address
21:52 <+perlDreamer> if I buy something from Wisconsin, and have it sent to Wisconsin, there should be no sales tax
21:52 <+perlDreamer> only because "i" in this case is in Oregon
21:52 <@preaction> right, because you are in oregon. you would have to pay oregon sales tax when filling out your next oregon state tax form
21:53 <+perlDreamer> yup
21:53 <@preaction> there's a little field for it, that everyone just puts 0 for
21:55 <@preaction> ooh, good article on the subject: http://www.netchoice.org/library/the-collection-of-out-of-state-sales-taxes-myth-vs-reality.html
21:57  * perlDreamer will read it later this afternoon
21:58 <+perlDreamer> but for now, time to punish the streets of Hillsboro
21:58 <@preaction> you show that concrete who's on top!
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22:04 < juan> hi
22:04 <@preaction> hi
22:05 < juan> i have an error when i tried to edit a profile field
22:05 < juan> the error is the next
22:06 < juan> http://webgui.pastebin.com/m3fa1b420
22:07 <@preaction> what is WebGUI::Form::interval123? a custom form plugin?
22:08 < juan> please wait, i am going to check
22:13 < juan> i have moved interval123 to another location in the server and the error desappear
22:14 < juan> i am going to check that custom plugin
22:16 < juan> if i want to include another language in my site, i have downloaded the respective language and i have put it in the i18 folder like the default language
22:16 < juan> is there another thing to do besides of it?
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22:18 <@preaction> nope
22:20 < juan> because spanish is 99% translated, and i put in my language selection, visitor has spanish as a default language, but one calendar that i have in the site has some word in english
22:21 < juan> an the words are translated in spanish
22:25 < juan> the part related with event details, where is located? in which of the files? I want to verify if it is translated.
22:26 <@preaction> it's in Asset_Event probably
22:28 < juan> checking...
22:30 < juan> yes in that file the phrases are translated
22:31 < juan> but i continue seeing them in english
22:41 < juan> any  ideas about it?
22:42 <@Haarg> what version of webgui are you using?  you might want to check the template to see how it is displaying the labels.
22:46 < juan> the version is 7.6.15
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23:28 <+perlDreamer> I did a ton of translation work for Event in 7.7
23:29 <+perlDreamer> in the future, I'd like to be able to reject new assets without i18n in them
23:29 <@preaction> we do that now
23:29 <@preaction> just didn't do that in 7.3
23:35 <+perlDreamer> preaction: I thought all form properties were automatically autogenerate => 1, and we weren't allowed to do anything other than noFormPost?
23:35 <@preaction> what are we talking about? new or old
23:35 <+perlDreamer> new
23:36 <@preaction> for new, there will be a getEditForm method in WebGUI::Asset that will take $self->meta->get_all_properties and build a WebGUI::FormBuilder object
23:37 <+perlDreamer> and how do I tell getEditForm that I have a property, like karma, that does not need to be displayed?  noFormPost => sub { return ! shift->session->setting->get('useKarma');
23:38 <@preaction> that would be part of WebGUI::Definition
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00:05 <+perlDreamer> preaction: that makes sense.  I had to think on it for a while
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00:48 <+perlDreamer> pretty soon we're going to need an upgrade of wgd to WebGUI 8
00:56 < CIA-60> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r44f0350 / (2 files): Updating Gallery for Moose. - http://bit.ly/96FgVI
01:11 < CIA-60> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r9c7bbc8 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/WikiPage.pm : Remove override of update and use Moose method modifiers instead. - http://bit.ly/9OofNb
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01:30 < CIA-60> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r27e30c7 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/GalleryAlbum.pm : Note that per album allowing of comments is doable, but not exposed to the UI yet. - http://bit.ly/bVic6x
01:31 <+perlDreamer> well, 4 hours ago I had 12 assets to go
01:32 <+perlDreamer> I found 4 more, but we're down to about 9
01:32 <+perlDreamer> WebGUI ships with about 65 assets, including the base classes for Wobject and Sku
01:32 <@preaction> yay!
01:33 <+perlDreamer> then we have to make them editable
01:33 <@preaction> editable?
01:33 <+perlDreamer> yeah, like able to call func=edit
01:33 <@preaction> ahhhhh
01:33 <+perlDreamer> this batch of work just gets you assets from an API standpoint
01:33 <@preaction> that requires merging fb and static_definition
01:34 <+perlDreamer> that would help a ton
01:36 <+perlDreamer> Plus, I think I want to write a Trait or Role that makes isHidden=1 all the time
01:37 <+perlDreamer> It's probably a role
01:40 <+perlDreamer> and I'm still stuck on the how to write a base for all Asset Roles to inherit from, that provides the same property/aspect sugar that Assets use.
01:40 <+perlDreamer> maybe I should spend some time in #moose
01:42 < CIA-60> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r0a2f5e0 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Story.pm : Update Story for Moose. - http://bit.ly/aXYnr5
01:45 < elnino> perlDreamer, I don't know. not a clue.
01:45 < elnino> I'm leaving. bb ltr
01:45 <+perlDreamer> l8r
01:46 < CIA-60> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rb7f79a5 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/StoryArchive.pm : Update StoryArchive for Moose. - http://bit.ly/dgp4ZY
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02:18 < CIA-60> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r72d0361 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Post.pm : Update Post for Moose. - http://bit.ly/9oHdX2
02:18 <+perlDreamer> one more for today, then I get to write a Role
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03:26 < mducharme> woo.. finished my pitch class set analysis
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16:51 < SDuensin> Greetings.
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17:35 <+perlDreamer> bummer, missed bartjol this morning
17:41 < CIA-60> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r549a6db / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Post/Thread.pm : Update Thread for Moose. - http://bit.ly/drQyEu
17:44 < CIA-60> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r1d777d4 / asset_status.ods : Update status spreadsheet. - http://bit.ly/9lJDYU
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18:18 <+perlDreamer> this could be my favorite newspaper article, ever: http://www.oregonlive.com/foodday/index.ssf/2010/02/divine_drippings.html
18:22 < CIA-60> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r498b961 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix a template variable typo. Fixes bug #11411. - http://bit.ly/cUztbw
18:22 < CIA-60> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r7db6470 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix a template variable typo. Fixes bug #11411. - http://bit.ly/cZPFcS
18:22 <@preaction> but it's still bacon grease
18:23 <@preaction> i mean, i've got plenty of beef tallow sitting on my counter right now, but i'll end up throwing it away next garbage day
18:23 <+perlDreamer> mmmm bacon grease
18:23 <+perlDreamer> chicken drippings
18:23 <+perlDreamer> beef tallow
18:23 <+perlDreamer> and lard
18:23 <+perlDreamer> butter is good, too
18:27 < ckotil> mmmm
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18:32 <+perlDreamer> morning, Haarg
18:32 <@Haarg> morning
18:35 <+perlDreamer> any thoughts on where to put asset roles?
18:36 <+perlDreamer> for lack of anything better, I was thinking AssetRoles
18:36 <+perlDreamer> lib/WebGUI/AssetRoles
18:36 <@Haarg> seems fine to me
18:50 < CIA-60> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rabaeab3 / (8 files in 5 dirs): Refactor code to force assets to always be hidden into a role and use it. - http://bit.ly/9Kmmyz
18:50 <+perlDreamer> roles are awesome
18:50 <+perlDreamer> 10 lines of code per module replaced by with 'WebGUI::AssetRole::AlwaysHidden';
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18:56 < CIA-60> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r90facc4 / (4 files in 3 dirs): Refactor code for updating storage location file permissions into a Role. - http://bit.ly/aYB6B0
19:07 <+perlDreamer> gym time
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19:47 <@frodwith> I just wrote some roles for $client, and had stuck them in WebGUI::Asset::Role::$_
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20:16 < doc777> Hello friends. I have a dilemma.  We have an older webgui server (07.05.23) and have built a new one (07.07.32).  I need to get the sites off the old, onto the new... 
20:17 < doc777> When I try to upgrade the old to 07.07.32 by running upgrade.pl it comes back with NO UPGRADES NECESSARY.  Which I find hard to believe as the old db has 161 tables and the new 173. 
20:44 <@preaction> you cannot upgrade from 7.5 to 7.7 directly. you must upgrade to 7.6 first
20:46 < doc777> So I need to download 7.6, install, upgrade and then move onto 7.7 correct?
20:46 <@Haarg> you need to first upgrade to 7.5.40, then the last 7.6, then you can upgrade to 7.7.x
20:47 < doc777> Is that 3 separate downloads?  ( This is a source install on gentoo btw )
20:47 <+perlDreamer> yup, 3
20:48 <@Haarg> well, you already have the 7.7 version
20:48 < doc777> Ok thanks, I don't mind downloading. I just did not know if there were files contained IN the 7.7 for backdating.  :o)
20:49 < doc777> It appears not, so I need to download the other two.
20:53 <+perlDreamer> frodwith, I thought about that kind of class hierarchy, but the Roles I'm writing aren't subclasses of Asset.pm, so I though parallel would be better.
20:54 <@frodwith> perlDreamer: how about WebGUI::Role::Asset::$_ then?
20:54 <+perlDreamer> that's not bad
20:55 <+perlDreamer> and it makes a home for all future roles that we might share across classes, like JSON in the db handling
20:55 <@frodwith> right
20:55 <@preaction> i agree with WebGUI::Role::Asset
20:56 <+perlDreamer> you know, the more involved y'all get now, the less of my horrible programming you'll have to clean up later
20:57  * frodwith keeps trying to remember to lurk on IRC.  Maybe it will work this time.
20:57 <+perlDreamer> does your IRC client when you're pinged, frodwith?
20:58 <@frodwith> I think you're missing a verb in there
20:58 <+perlDreamer> "beep"
20:58 <@frodwith> ah, yes.  I get growls.
20:58 <@frodwith> I just don't always have the thing on
20:58 <@frodwith> the irc client, I mean
21:00 <+perlDreamer> that's odd, for as often as you're in the room
21:00 <@frodwith> I have irssi sitting on a server in Milwaukee somewhere that I proxy through
21:00 <@frodwith> it's always connected, I'm just not always connected to it
21:01 <+perlDreamer> I see
21:01 < CIA-60> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r7caa3e3 / (12 files in 5 dirs): Move AssetRole to Role::Asset, and update all client modules. - http://bit.ly/bKcsaJ
21:01 <@frodwith> the -idea- is, I can go read the backlog on there after I've been off for a while and see if someone's trying to ping me
21:01 <@frodwith> and that works pretty well when I remember to do it
21:07 < doc777> Welp, when upgrading from 7.5.33 - 7.5.34 it fails with: .mysqldump: Couldn't execute 'show fields from `Calendar`': Incorrect key file for table '/tmp/#sql_68ab_0.MYI'
21:08 < doc777> All the upgrades from 7.5.23 till there seemed to go fine.
21:10 <+perlDreamer> that sounds like there's a problem with your db.  I'd restore from the pre-upgrade backup, and run myisamchk on the WebGUI databases.
21:11 <+perlDreamer> be sure you restore EVERYTHING, the codebase, the config files, the upgrades area AND the db
21:11 < doc777> Ok, will do. Thanks for all the help everyone :o)  
21:29 < carogray1> perldreamer: just responding to your post on support board about different tabs for different mail forms...ok to ask here or do I have to use the suppport board - trying to clarify your tabs  explanation.
21:29 <+perlDreamer> better to ask on the boards, so if someone else has to pick up the thread all the info is in 1 place
21:30 < carogray1> k - just about to .. would you please answer me there, cause I think I may have a few questions?
21:36 < CIA-60> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r7c86686 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Collaboration.pm : Update Collaboration for Moose. - http://bit.ly/9mMPYu
21:48 < CIA-60> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r6287ebd / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Collaboration/Newsletter.pm : Update Newsletter for Moose. - http://bit.ly/bmmOAx
21:48 < doc777> Well, I completely restored the webgui folder, the mysql databases and even the domains folder.  Checked and repaired the db (3 times for good measure) and then started the upgrade. It got to the same spot and hung again with: mysqldump: Couldn't execute 'show fields from `Calendar`': Incorrect key file for table '/tmp/#sql_2be9_0.MYI';
21:50 <+perlDreamer> which version of mysql are you using, doc777?  and are you using the WRE?
21:51 < doc777> Not using the wre on the old but am on the new server... Most of the reason we are trying to migrate.  The old server is a gentoo source, mysql  Ver 14.12 Distrib 5.0.54, for pc-linux-gnu (i686) using readline 5.2
21:52 <+perlDreamer> running the upgrade on the new, or the old?
21:52 < doc777> Trying to upgrade the old server so we could export into the new...
21:53 <+perlDreamer> hm, googling for that shows this: http://www.electrictoolbox.com/mysql-incorrect-key-file-for-table-error/
21:53 < doc777> Is there a better method?
21:53 <+perlDreamer> but you said you repaired the database...
21:53 < doc777> Yea, I repaired and it checks out ok after.
21:54 <+perlDreamer> how's the diskspace on all the partitions?
21:55 <+perlDreamer> btw, all I'm doing is looking at google results for the error message you posted
21:56 < doc777> Yea, I been googling myself a bit. It may be a mysql bug but not sure. Plenty of free space.
21:58 < CIA-60> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * re5d4715 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Carousel.pm : Update Carousel for Moose. - http://bit.ly/awlQEW
21:59 <+perlDreamer> phew, lunch time
21:59 <+perlDreamer> I don't have to do the Dashboard yet
22:08 < doc777> Raha! Turns out that I had made /tmp small and non executable on a separate partition ( 2 years ago). So it was running out of space after doing the backup. Even though there are a few hundred gigs free on the drive there is not in the tmp folder.  Thanks for the help everyone!
22:19 < carogray1> with PerlDreamer off to lunch - anyone want to check out my attempt to use Case Statement in Template Toolkit - one template for different mail forms? on https://www.plainblack.com/plain_black_support/12170 ? I was supposed to have this figured out last Friday, but the week before was a big week for lots of things ...including 2 piglets who ended up spending nights with me and needing feeding every 90 minutes...I now have them up t
22:23 <@preaction> carogray1: only plain black support staff can read the plain black support boards
22:43 < carogray1> oh bother.
22:44 < carogray1> I could post it here and pastebin and then repost on support board for people following thread on support board?
22:44 < carogray1> sorry to sound impatient.
22:51 < doc777> I wonder if I can import a 7.6.35 site onto a 7.7.32 server and upgrade from there?
22:52 <@preaction> doc777: you should be able to, yes
22:53 < doc777> Great, that will be much easier :o)
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00:02 < doc777> When using Webgui from source to upgrade you would run /data/WebGUI/sbin/upgrade.pl...   But when running the wre this command fails because of the perl modules it cannot find. What is the proper upgrade command?  /data/wre/sbin/webguiupdate.pl?
00:06 <@preaction> you need to be using the WRE's environment, first do "source /data/wre/sbin/setenvironment.sh", then do "cd /data/WebGUI/sbin; perl upgrade.pl"
00:07 < doc777> Aha! Thank you :o)
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01:37 <+perlDreamer> preaction: once the Code Editor gobbles the newlines in 7.7.32, they're completely gone right?  There's no way to recover them.
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01:51 < CIA-60> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * raa17ac4 / asset_status.ods : Update status sheet with last Asset. - http://bit.ly/bstIri
01:51 < CIA-60> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r9362243 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Poll.pm : More Poll fixes. - http://bit.ly/cLes9N
01:51 < CIA-60> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r1b647c7 / docs/migration.txt : Add docs about the new API. - http://bit.ly/aNSn1I
01:51 < CIA-60> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rec52088 / (9 files in 3 dirs): Remove getValue from Assets, except for those in getEditForm which will go away later. - http://bit.ly/9Wwkj2
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02:07 <+perlDreamer> I converted the last Asset to Moose today.
02:07 <+perlDreamer> Now we just have to make them editable, viewable and fix any bugs in them...
02:08 < CIA-60> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r5854e95 / lib/WebGUI/Storage.pm : Refix the thumbnail url problem with Storage so that it throws an error when no filename is passed. - http://bit.ly/be4EGe
02:08 < CIA-60> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r25274c5 / lib/WebGUI/Storage.pm : Refix the thumbnail url problem with Storage so that it throws an error when no filename is passed. - http://bit.ly/ablkF0
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02:41 <@frodwith> can anyone give me the story on the HTTP_SSLPROXY variable? perlDreamer and Haarg logs seem to come up, maybe one of you two
02:42 <@Haarg> basically, webgui needs to know if you are using ssl or not
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02:42 <@Haarg> and given that we use mod_proxy, all requests are always coming in http and not https
02:43 <@Haarg> so we have mod_proxy adding a header to indicate that it is actually using https
02:43 <@Haarg> in the past, it also needed a line in the mod_perl config to turn the header into a ENV variable
02:43 <@Haarg> but i changed it to use the header variable directly so it doesn't need that line
02:44 <@frodwith> Haarg++.  Thanks!
02:45 <@Haarg> there is also the X-Forwarded-SSL (i think) header which is an emerging de facto standard for doing the same thing
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02:48 <+perlDreamer> should we swap to that in wg7.9?
02:52 <@preaction> perlDreamer: maybe? i don't know, probably
02:52 <+perlDreamer> I love your hard-nosed definitiveness
02:52 <@preaction> aren't they replaced with $1?
02:53 <+perlDreamer> no, seems like they're gone
02:53 <+perlDreamer> I get about 1.5 hours of dead time during kids' piano lessons tonight, so i'll fire up IE8 and see what's up
02:53 < CIA-60> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r3b2d849 / lib/WebGUI/Session/Env.pm : Document where HTTP_SSLPROXY comes from, and why. - http://bit.ly/beUdI6
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02:58 <+perlDreamer> bbl
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03:01 <@Haarg> looks like the header is X-Forwarded-Proto actually
03:01 <@Haarg> and WebGUI already supports it
03:02 <@Haarg> but the wre still uses SSLPROXY for back compat
03:02 <@preaction> well, in theory mod_proxy would do X-Forwarded-Proto automatically, but it doesn't
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04:13 <+perlDreamer> ....installing IE8....
04:13 <+perlDreamer> boring
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04:21 <+perlDreamer> preaction: I can duplicate the bug in master (7.8.12.tonight)
04:22 <+perlDreamer> any chance you can look at it before 8:30pm my time?
04:25 <+perlDreamer> opera works fine
04:28 <@preaction> sorry, am in MadMongers meeting
04:28 <@preaction> but i think i know the cause, give me one sec to make a patch
04:29 <+perlDreamer> you patch, I'll test
04:29 <+perlDreamer> either that, or throw me a line and I'll patch it on my end
04:29 <+perlDreamer> line = some kind of clue to fix it
04:29 < CIA-60> webgui: Doug Bell fb * r4d14973 / (3 files in 3 dirs): perltidy - http://bit.ly/btCGCP
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04:31 <+perlDreamer> dang it, now it's working fine!
04:31 <+perlDreamer> what's up with that
04:32 <@preaction> ... good, because i can't fix it easily :(
04:33 <+perlDreamer> maybe it's timing related
04:34 <+perlDreamer> since I added an alert to show some code, and it started working
04:35 <@preaction> did you remove the alert and it stopped working?
04:35 <+perlDreamer> yup
04:35 <@preaction> vunderbal
04:36 <+perlDreamer> http://gist.github.com/306227
04:36 <@preaction> there are Lang.later( XX, function...) calls, try increasing the numbers?
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04:38 <+perlDreamer> nope
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04:50 <+perlDreamer> I can't do it repeatedly
04:50 <+perlDreamer> it's possible that I didn't clear out enough history in IE
04:51 <@preaction> that's still weird though
04:51 <@preaction> but i hate browser cache
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04:53 <+perlDreamer> let's blame it on tavisto
04:53 <@preaction> tavisto's fault... why does he do this to me?
04:55 <+perlDreamer> you'd think he'd be grateful for all the TGC work we do for him
04:56 <@preaction> as though, he's never grateful for anything
04:56 <+perlDreamer> I found another game store to promote TGC to
04:56 <+perlDreamer> that'll be next Tuesday
04:56 <@preaction> yay!
04:57 <@tavisto> I didnt do anything I swear
04:57 <+perlDreamer> oh ya sure
04:58 <@preaction> THAT'S THE ENTIRE PROBLEM
04:58 <@tavisto> well aside from pushing that big red button
04:58 <@preaction> you never do anything!
04:58 <@tavisto> but that couldn't have hurt anything
04:58 <@tavisto> *sniff sniff* you guys are mean
04:58 <+perlDreamer> you haven't seen anything yet, we're just getting warmed up
04:58 <+perlDreamer> fixing IE bugs makes us grumpy
04:59 <+perlDreamer> it's Pre Microsoft Syndome
04:59 <@tavisto> well now you've motivated me...
04:59 <@preaction> and Post Microsoft Syndrome
04:59 <@tavisto> to kill a pb dev
04:59 <@preaction> .... JT?
04:59 <+perlDreamer> good thing I'm just a contractor
04:59 <@tavisto> nope
05:00 <@tavisto> *click*
05:00 <@preaction> NOOOOOOOOOoooooooo
05:00 <@tavisto> *click*
05:00 <+perlDreamer> you can't shoot Haarg, he's on the injured list
05:00 <@tavisto> I'm gonna have to kill the guy with the Kitchenaid sissy mixer
05:00 <@tavisto> *looks at Preaction*
05:01 <@tavisto> *boom
05:01 <@preaction> sissy? it's a MAN TOOL
05:01 <@preaction> i bet i could hide a few bodies with that thing
05:03 <+perlDreamer> or at least whip them into shape
05:03 <@tavisto> define shape
05:03 <@tavisto> and I just called minority report on you guys... 
05:04 <@preaction> but i'm the silent majority!
05:04 <@tavisto> for thinking about committing a crime
05:05 <+perlDreamer> tavisto, there are forum postings waiting for you on TGC
05:05 <+perlDreamer> something about a custom 20 board order for 16x16 folding boards
05:06 <@tavisto> im sorry, tavisto is not here right now...
05:07 <+perlDreamer> can you send me extra swag for a gaming convention in Portland?
05:07 <@tavisto> this is computron, his automated answering service
05:07 <+perlDreamer> posters, t-shirts, beer coasters, stickers, the whole works
05:07 <@tavisto> no, maybe, no, yes, and flyers
05:08 <+perlDreamer> how about those cute little temporary tattoos?
05:09 <@tavisto> you're fired.
05:10 <+perlDreamer> you're just jealous that you didn't think of the tattoos first
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06:52 < CIA-60> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r0e01b23 / docs/create.sql : Preparing for 7.8.12 release. - http://bit.ly/ckA83f
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07:35 < CIA-60> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r725c40f / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.8.13 development cycle. - http://bit.ly/9J21Jh
07:36 <+perlDreamer> yay, 7.8.13 is out
07:36 <@preaction> yay!
07:37 <@preaction> you mean 7.8.12?
07:37 <+perlDreamer> no, I went into the future and pulled the bugfix for the code editor back
07:37 <+perlDreamer> so technically is is 7.8.13
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07:37 <+perlDreamer> but you don't have to fix it anymore
07:37 <+perlDreamer> because you will
07:37 <+perlDreamer> I mean have
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07:38 <@preaction> jolly good of future me to do then
07:38 <+perlDreamer> You're a mensch
07:39 <+perlDreamer> all of the Assets have been Moose'd in wg8
07:41 <@preaction> yay!
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10:54 < CIA-60> WebGUI: translation * r12438 /translations/German/German/Asset_Photo.pm: Updating German on translation server
11:11 < CIA-60> WebGUI: translation * r12439 /translations/German/German/Asset_Photo.pm: Updating German on translation server
11:11 < CIA-60> WebGUI: translation * r12440 /translations/German/German/AuthLDAP.pm: Updating German on translation server
11:11 < CIA-60> WebGUI: translation * r12441 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/ (Asset_Photo.pm AuthLDAP.pm): Updating Dutch on translation server
11:25 < CIA-60> WebGUI: translation * r12442 /translations/German/German/Asset_Story.pm: Updating German on translation server
12:13 < CIA-60> WebGUI: translation * r12443 /translations/German/German/AdSpace.pm: Updating German on translation server
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16:29 < SDuensin> Greetings.
16:35 <+bartjol> hi
16:40 < SDuensin> Hi bartjol
16:41 <+bartjol> manual sql changes after upgrades is not among my favorite things
16:42 < SDuensin> Oh hell no.  That sucks!
16:43 <+bartjol> I know
16:44 <+bartjol> but I'm done know
16:46 < SDuensin> Any time that upgrade script fails, I get a horrible sense of dread.
16:52 <+bartjol> well, it was on something custom
16:54 < SDuensin> You ever hear of "eBox"?
16:55 <+bartjol> nope
16:57 < SDuensin> Web-based network management thing.  I keep toying with the idea of using it to run my empire.  Looks like it'd be pretty easy to add WebGUI support to it.
16:58 <+bartjol> as long as they have a stable api
16:59 < SDuensin> They do.  And it's in Perl!
17:01 <+bartjol> great
17:04 < SynQ> an empire based on perl?
17:05 < SynQ> I know that your powers of retention...
17:05 < SynQ> retension?
17:05 < SynQ> lalala
17:05 < SDuensin> My power isn't so much in Perl, but it seems all my software is.
17:07 < SDuensin> I dunno.  I should just write my own so I get exactly what I want.
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17:44 <+perlDreamer> gotta run kids to school, bbiab
17:55 <+perlDreamer> phew
17:55 < SDuensin> That was fast.
17:58 <+bartjol> ah, perlDreamer is Overtoom
17:58 <+perlDreamer> Overtoom?
17:59 <+bartjol> yeah, a transport company that adeverted with their speed
17:59 <+bartjol> advertised
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18:38 < SDuensin> Uh, Google Buzz is magically finding my WebGUI sites and asking if I want my activity on them added to my Buzz stream.  Freaky.
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18:38 <+MrHairgrease> perlDeamer
18:39 <+MrHairgrease> I found a solution to my Moose problem
18:39 <+MrHairgrease> http://gist.github.com/307789
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18:42 < SDuensin> Statements like that make me laugh.  :-)
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18:58 < doc777> Hello friends. We have been trying to upgrade from a 7.5.23 source server to a new 7.7.32 wre server.  Its been fun :o)     We copied the "domain" folder over, the db over, incrementally upgraded it successfully.  But the site looks smashed.
18:59 < SDuensin> Erase your caches?
18:59 < doc777> Hrrm... great idea. Let me try that :o)
19:00  * SDuensin always forgets that!
19:07 <+bartjol> haven't there also been some template changes?
19:08 <@preaction> most likely, yes
19:08 < doc777> Clearing the cache brought all the images back. Thank you.  We knew there would be some things broken but was not expecting what we first saw  :o)
19:09 < SDuensin> hehe
19:09 < SDuensin> YW
19:10 <+bartjol> well, one mistery solved
19:10 <+bartjol> it is better than from 5.5
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19:32 < ckotil> found a bug with searching in 7.6.35 when using quotes around parenthesis http://www.pastebin.org/93678
19:32 < ckotil> another similiar bug seems to be when searching for a string that is surounded by parenthesis. it returns nothing
19:33 < ckotil> ill try to replicate it in the demo before filing a bug report
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19:45 < KlausH> Hi, anyone remebers the old event calendar, version 7.2.2? I'm lookin for the internationalized template variable start.month . There I have an encoding error and cannot locate the corresponding file with the translation to correct the error.
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21:45 < ckotil> anything think it makes sense for asset keywords to be searched before asset descriptions? i set an assets keyword to monkey, then have two assets with monkey in the description. the asset w/ keyword set to monkey came up last.
21:46 < ckotil> i think it makes sense to use keywords to promote search results, so they should be searched first so as to improve the order they are returned
21:51 <@preaction> ckotil: we use mysql's fulltext search to find results, we don't have a lot of control over how the relevance level is calculated, but it would be a good RFE
21:52 <@preaction> we do want to replace search with something else, but that's a bigger RFE
21:59 < ckotil> i was hoping keywords were searched separatly then descriptions
22:07 <@preaction> nope, keywords are appended to the rest of the index
22:07 < ckotil> ok
22:09 < ckotil> thanks for clarifying
22:19 < CIA-60> webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r5a31bc8 / asset_status.ods : Status update from fixing group reset. - http://bit.ly/9a03qB
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00:52 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, have you committed the changes that you mentioned two days ago?
00:52 <+perlDreamer> the ones that might simplify the Roles?
00:52 <@Haarg> nope
00:52 <@Haarg> haven't gotten it working
00:52 <+perlDreamer> good, that explains why I don't see them :)
00:53 <@Haarg> one change that could be done right away is moving the property code into meta->add_property
00:54 <@Haarg> and if you think it is a good way to do it, remove Moose from the with clause on the build_import_methods call
00:54 <@Haarg> which means it would have to be manually imported into all of the classes, but you would also be able to use it in a Moose::Role class
00:54 <@Haarg> haven't tested that though
00:54 <+perlDreamer> wouldn't the first get rid of the sugar?
00:55 <@Haarg> no, i mean move the internals
00:55 <@Haarg> and have property call ->add_property
00:59 <+perlDreamer> that would help
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00:59 <+perlDreamer> I think I'm going to have to build a Role base class, that is inherited by all Asset Roles, which parallels WebGUI::Definition
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01:29 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, if we make property and define into Roles, we can apply them to Definition.pm, and to whatever Role base class I build
01:29 <+perlDreamer> I think...
01:30 <+perlDreamer> in fact, if everything was a role, we may be able to mix and match all the pieces together
01:30 <@Haarg> i'm not sure about WebGUI::Definition working as a role
01:31 <@Haarg> because it isn't really being included in the class it is used in, it is just a utility
01:31 <@Haarg> i'm attempting to make the rest of it into roles
01:33 <+perlDreamer> ah yeah, providing the property and define methods and the rest
01:34 <+perlDreamer> this is a very different way of thinking about building classes
01:53 <+perlDreamer> I think we're stuck duplicating the code
01:53 <+perlDreamer> Moose::Role reimplements a bunch of Moose in order to work
01:54 <@frodwith> it reimplements a bunch of the sugar, because it has different semantics in roles
01:54 <+perlDreamer> right, and that's exactly what we want, only we want WebGUI::Definition sugar into a "base class" that all WebGUI roles could use
01:55 <@frodwith> oh, I don't know what's in WG::D I guess
01:55 <+perlDreamer> it provides two methods, property and define
01:55 <@frodwith> that's the property sugar?
01:55 <+perlDreamer> yeah
01:55 <+perlDreamer> and Asset Roles want the same thing
01:56 <+perlDreamer> because sometimes they have their own tables on the side that stores data
01:56 <+perlDreamer> like RssFeed, Comment, Subscribable, etc
01:56 <@preaction> Did You Know? We could use nginx to completely replace apache, it has perl support!
01:56 <+perlDreamer> preaction: that'd never work.  You can't even pronounce nginx
01:57 <@preaction> eNGINeX
01:57 <@frodwith> you can tell how cool people are by if they try to say "nuhginks"
01:57 <@frodwith> if they say it properly, it means they've been drinking from the web 2.0 firehose
01:58 <@preaction> ooh! a firehose!
01:58 <@preaction> async http > *
02:00 <+perlDreamer> what if they're Vietnamese, and can say ng as a real phoneme?
02:00 <@frodwith> Then we're really in trouble.
02:00 <@frodwith> so, more seriously
02:01 <@frodwith> property breaks if you try to do it in a role?
02:02 <+perlDreamer> I can't do "use Moose::Roles; use WebGUI::Definition::Asset;" at the same time
02:03 <+perlDreamer> Moose barfs: WebGUI::Role::Asset::RssFeed already has a metaclass, but it does not inherit WebGUI::Definition::Meta::Asset
02:04 <@frodwith> so you need a WebGUI::Definition::Role that does the sugar-magic for roles like Definition::Asset does for classes
02:06 <+perlDreamer> right, and it would be best if the code wasn't just copy/paste of WG::D and wG::D::A
02:06 <+perlDreamer> since we'd need both wG::D::Role, and wG::D::Role::Asset
02:07 <+perlDreamer> so that non-Assets could have roles that work similarly
02:07 <+perlDreamer> like the JSONCollateral thing
02:07 <@frodwith> I'm looking at this from down a tunnel of unfamiliarity, obviously, but it looks like you could do a role metaclass just like this asset metaclass that calls WG::D's magic.  It looks like WG::D::A is a pretty thin wrapper.
02:08 <@frodwith> but I probably just don't understand what we're talking about. So I'm going to go take a walk in the unexpectedly beautiful weather. :)
02:08 <+perlDreamer> that's okay.  I understand what I want, but not how to get it
02:09 <+perlDreamer> so we're well matched
02:09 <+perlDreamer> I think it's time for a walk in #moose
02:09 <+perlDreamer> or a blog posting...
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11:10 < SynQ> morning
11:36 < CIA-60> webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r381e1ff / lib/WebGUI/Role/Asset/RssFeed.pm : Remove stub. Use requires to force the sub. - http://bit.ly/apHbKx
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16:31 < SDuensin> Morning.
16:57 <+bartjol> morning, but you know it's almost beer o'clock
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16:58 < SDuensin> Have a beer for me.  I really could use one already!
16:59 <+MrHairgrease> me too!
16:59 <+MrHairgrease> Bart!
16:59 <+MrHairgrease> Bieerrrrrr!
17:00 <+bartjol> oh, sorry
17:00 <+bartjol> 10 minutes
17:00 <+MrHairgrease> oki
17:00 < SDuensin> Either of you fine gents ever see anyone use WebGUI with one of those funk-o-matic hosting control panels?
17:00 <+MrHairgrease> I can hold out that long
17:00 <+MrHairgrease> Konsole is my func-o-matic control panel
17:00 < SDuensin> I meant for end users.  :-P
17:01 < SDuensin> I want to automate my hosting, but I also don't really feel like writing my own tools.
17:02 <+MrHairgrease> I think plaiblack wrote something like that for themselves
17:02 < SDuensin> I tried gluing Thingy to some custom code, but that never worked right.
17:02 <+MrHairgrease> maybe if you ask very friendly
17:02 < SDuensin> Yea, they did.  It's in GIT somewhere.
17:03 < SDuensin> My problem with using something like that is...  I'm going to have to cave in and do generic LAMP hosting.  Too many people want PHP crap.
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17:34 <+bartjol> oh sorry martin, it appears we're still on the coffee
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17:35 <+MrHairgrease> tim e to quit that bad bad habit
17:35 <+MrHairgrease> and get me a beer
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17:35 <+MrHairgrease> and yourself as well of course
17:36 < SDuensin> Beer flavored coffee?  Hmmm...  :-)
17:36 <+bartjol> nou, vooruit
17:36 <+MrHairgrease> nope
17:36 <+MrHairgrease> beer flavoured beer
17:37 <+MrHairgrease> hmmmmmm
17:37  * SDuensin bought more beer flavo(u)red beer last night.
17:38 <+MrHairgrease> the proof of the beer is in the drinking
17:38 <+MrHairgrease> not the buying
17:38 < SDuensin> Yea.  Working up to that.
17:40 <+bartjol> buying beer and not drinking it is desecration
17:40 <+MrHairgrease> hear hear
17:40 < SDuensin> Well it has to get cold first!  We American's aren't savages likes some of you folks!
17:41 <+bartjol> we only make beer that keeps itself cold
17:41 < SDuensin> Sweet!
17:42 < SDuensin> We only make colo(u)red water we call "beer".
17:42 <+MrHairgrease> oh yeah
17:43 <+MrHairgrease> what's the link between Bud and having sex in a canoe?
17:43 < SDuensin> Ok, Mr. Python.
17:43 < SDuensin> It's Frackin close to water!
17:43 <+MrHairgrease> harharhar
17:53 <+bartjol> what's that music?
17:53 < SDuensin> We have some Dixieland on here.
17:53 <+bartjol> mmm, that's not what I'm hearing from Martin's office
17:54 <+MrHairgrease> Cambodian Rocks
17:54 <+MrHairgrease> Cambodian RnR and Psych from 60's Cambodia
17:55 <+MrHairgrease> Weird thing is, everybody playing those songs were killed by the Pol Pot regime... =(
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17:59 <+bartjol> ah
18:13 <+bartjol> ah, I am a very fast mailer, I can answer before the question is asked
18:13 <+MrHairgrease> yes
18:13 <+MrHairgrease> or
18:14 <+MrHairgrease> you should set your computer's time correctly
18:16 <+bartjol> mmm, i've heard some theories about time being relative, so my time is as good as yours
18:16 <+MrHairgrease> that misght be, but mine is way prettier!
18:18 < SDuensin> "Time is an illusion.  'Luchtime', doubly so."
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21:19 <@preaction> cap10morgan: did you guys happen to try nginx for use as a proxy/load balancer?
21:19 <+cap10morgan> nope
21:19 <+cap10morgan> i have never used nginx
21:19 <@preaction> darn. it seems Perfect
21:19 <+cap10morgan> i've never had apache come up as the bottleneck in our system
21:19 <+cap10morgan> plenty of other things have crapped out before it :)
21:20 <@preaction> true, but you've got two proxy nodes, i'm thinking nginx can do the same with one
21:20 <+cap10morgan> but yeah, it does seem tailor-made for the job :)
21:20 <@preaction> and still serve the static files
21:20 <+cap10morgan> we only have two for redundancy
21:20 <+cap10morgan> in case one instance crashes
21:20 <@preaction> ahh, of course
21:20 <@preaction> but then what's in front of it to balance between the two?
21:21 <+cap10morgan> it's just dns round-robin, so not perfectly redundant
21:21 <+cap10morgan> but some requests still get through
21:21 <+cap10morgan> while i spin up a new instance
21:21 <+cap10morgan> if amazon would freaking allow multiple IPs per instance, i'd just have the other elastic IP migrate over instantly
21:21 <+cap10morgan> but they don't...
21:22 < SDuensin> Really?  One IP per instance?
21:22 <@preaction> don't they have some sort of heartbeat / redundancy system built-in?
21:22  * SDuensin never noticed that.
21:22 <+cap10morgan> they have their new load balancing thing you can use, yeah
21:22 <+cap10morgan> but i haven't tried it
21:22 <+cap10morgan> and heard some reports that it was kinda crappy, but maybe they worked that out by now
21:23 <+cap10morgan> SDuensin: yeah, it's one of my biggest pet peeves w/ ec2
21:23 < SDuensin> Hmm.  Glad I didn't migrate and find that out after-the-fact!
21:25 <@preaction> wait, that means only one SSL vhost per box
21:25 <+cap10morgan> yes it does
21:25 <+cap10morgan> but a UCC cert solves that problem marvelously
21:25 <@preaction> ... uh... that means... that means a lot of instances
21:25 <+cap10morgan> i've yet to find something that doesn't recognize it
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03:49 < SDuensin> Well, first tip is to stay more than a whole minute.
03:50 <@preaction> indeed
03:51 < SDuensin> I mean, I've been here since 5.x and I *STILL* need help!
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05:07 < elnino> whew.. where do I begin?
05:08 < elnino> I'm working with another server, ad the admin won't allow me on to do the webgui stuff. so I'm standing by watching all this.
05:08 < elnino> he upgraded from 7.6.someting or other to 7.7.32
05:08 < elnino> and there are two sites sharing the one database
05:09 < elnino> and after the upgrade a bunch of uncommitted versiontags showed up from 2006.
05:09 < elnino> they are from the other domain, not the one I"m currently logged on.
05:09 < elnino> is that a problem?
05:10 < elnino> he doesn't believe in spectre either. I think he wants to keep it disabled.
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09:13 <@preaction> elnino: uh... WebGUI does not work if spectre is disabled completely...
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21:34 < elnino> preaction, yep I know, I'm not quite sure what he's doing. webgui "seemed to be working" version tags were approved automatically, so he couldn't have disabled it completely. It was installed by source too, I tried to convince him to install wre, but won't hear of it. oh well. not my decision to host with him.
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22:35 < SDuensin> Sounds like fun, elnino.  Does he believe in Apache?  Maybe he should turn that off.  :-)
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23:01 <@preaction> elnino: it was possible to disable it completed, most version tags get committed in realtime. but cronjobs will not get run, ever
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05:12 < elnino> on the statisitc pages, it says there are 479 groups.  I'm assuming that that number includes groups created from CS wobjects?
05:12 <@preaction> yes
05:12 <@preaction> it's just a SELECT COUNT(*) FROM groups;
05:12 < elnino> ok. whew.
05:14 < elnino> quiet night.
05:54 < elnino> in the gotcha for 7.7.32, it says that wg requires "javascript packer" .40, but javascript::packer is only .04  is that the correct module?
05:54 < elnino> sorry, 7.7.31
05:56 < elnino> SynQ?
05:57 < elnino> I think this was me.  http://www.webgui.org/bazaar/mp3-popup-player
06:15 < elnino> ACK!  After an upgrade to 7.7.32, a bunch of $1 shows up in my templates.. whats that about? And I cant delete them in the editor, they keep appearing. They are at all the empty lines. And I have "packed" templates enabled.
06:18 < elnino> correction. After an upgrade, AND after I modify a template, TEHN the $1 show up at all blank lines. The upgrade didn't cause it.
06:18  * elnino looks at bug reports.
06:19 <@preaction> yeah, that's a known bug
06:19 < elnino> yep JUST found it.
06:19 <@preaction> should have a fix there too, i hope
06:20 < elnino> yep, JUST read it. =)
06:20 <@preaction> if it doesn't work, let me know
06:20 < elnino> well,  this is on the server I have no control on. =(
06:20 < elnino> so I will email him.
06:20  * elnino wonders if the editor now works in ie.
06:20 <@preaction> it should
06:20 < elnino> I hope.
06:20 < elnino> =)
06:20 <@preaction> but still has that $1 prob iirc
06:21 < elnino> oh ok.
06:24 < elnino> oh... why is it putting it all in one line now??? I copied an unpacked version and unselectd pack. It shouldn't have packed. =(
06:24 <@preaction> part of the same bug iirc
06:24 <@preaction> either that or that's the IE-specific bug i haven't fixed yet
06:24 < elnino> no, I"m still in FF.
06:25  * elnino lookes in ie
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06:28 < elnino> hm. looks like too much fun to have tonight. I have IE6, and it has the weird delete/copy bug still. I'll stick with FF for now.
06:29 <@preaction> delete/copy bug?
06:29 < elnino> yep, you type a letter or delete and it jumps to the bottom of the editor.
06:30 <@preaction> did you delete your browser cache?
06:30 < elnino> I tried to copy paste the "unpacked version" and it wiped it out on me. 
06:30 < elnino> I have browser cached disbled, and in this case, I went back a couple versions so it 's a url I never visited in IE before.
06:31 < elnino> but I will try again
06:31 <@preaction> i wasn't aware IE allowed disabling of browser cache, and JS files are not cached per page, they're just cached and never re-fetched for the next page
06:32 < elnino> actually.  This server was on 7.6, so that bug wasn't there before.
06:33 < elnino> this is ie6: general->temp internet files->settings_>every visit to page. doesn't that disable browser cache?
06:34 <@preaction> not that i know of. browser caches are tricky beasts
06:34 < elnino> never had problems with it before. oh well. still trying it's dog slow.
06:35 <@preaction> i mean, i trust that you're seeing it, but that was the one bug i set out to fix in 7.7.32
06:36 < elnino> oh.  ok.. I must hav been too fast. I select-all by typing ctrl-a and the edit zeros out. (IE6)
06:36 < elnino> that made no sense. =(
06:36 < elnino> when I selected the entire text area, THAT's when it emptied the text area. 
06:36 < elnino> I thought it emptied the area when I PASTEd.
06:37 < elnino> when I rigt-click and click on "select all" it does NOT zero out the text area.
06:38 < elnino> but I can't ctrl-c to copy it. because it zeros out the text area.  =(
06:38 < elnino> lol
06:38  * elnino shakes head
06:39 < elnino> oh. it did copy.
06:40 < elnino> now, will the $1 appear in IE 6?
06:40 < elnino> and will it be packed again.
06:40  * elnino still waiting.
06:40 < elnino> good grief
06:41 < elnino> no and no =)
06:42 < elnino> the $1 and packing thing is just a FF bug.
06:42 < elnino> well, the $1 and packign thing is NOT a IE6 bug =)
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16:49 < SDuensin> Morning.
16:52 <+bartjol> hi
16:52 < ckotil> http://www.xkcd.com 
16:52 <+bartjol> look out for the sysadmins!
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17:01 < SDuensin> I love xkcd.
17:06 < ckotil> yeah, todays is top notch
17:13 < SDuensin> I sent a few around the office the other day.  Had to go explain them all.  <sigh>
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17:24 < ckotil> heh
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17:35 < SDuensin> Mornin' perlDreamer
17:36 <+perlDreamer> Hey, SDuensin
17:36 <+perlDreamer> what's shaking?
17:36 < SDuensin> Stalking TicketMaster at the moment.
17:37 < SDuensin> T-Minus 22 minutes until Jimmy Buffett tickets!  :-)
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17:47 < ckotil> What venue?
17:49 < SDuensin> Verizon Wireless Amphitheater in St. Louis
17:53 < ckotil> cool
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18:01 < CIA-60> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rb4e42eb / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt docs/gotcha.txt): Fix missing gotcha for Javascript::Packer - http://bit.ly/aVsTZW
18:01 < CIA-60> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r0bfba03 / docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt : Fix typo in module version number in gotchas. Fixes bug #11418 - http://bit.ly/aN65Wn
18:01 < CIA-60> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rb7ddb78 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt docs/gotcha.txt): Fix typo in module version number in gotchas. Fixes bug #11418 - http://bit.ly/agTYoX
18:03 <+perlDreamer> tavisto, we're downgrading your "bug" from "bug" to "user snafu".
18:04 <@tavisto> which one pD
18:04 <+perlDreamer> the CMS matrix one
18:04 <@tavisto> how dare you downgrade my stuff
18:04 <+perlDreamer> unfortunately, I'm also responsible for help you with "user snafu"s, so it will be fixed anyway :)
18:11 <+bartjol> at least I file real bug reports :P
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18:12 <+perlDreamer> bartjol, I'm just waiting for you to fix the last Code Editor bug
18:13 <+bartjol> oh, is that assigned to me?
18:13 <+perlDreamer> it could be
18:13 <+bartjol> haven't got any mail
18:13 <+bartjol> I have a short look, but I need to go and look for a bathroom sink, because I cracked the other one
18:14 <+bartjol> do you have a link at hand?
18:14 <+perlDreamer> http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/11409
18:14 <+perlDreamer> that's too bad about the sink
18:15 <+bartjol> yeah, I connected the water already
18:15 <+bartjol> I had some stress, as I was alone
18:16 <+perlDreamer> did it get cracked by dropping it, or tightening the plumbing too much?
18:16 <+bartjol> but doug says that it is already fixed in 33
18:16 <+bartjol> neither
18:17 <+bartjol> I think (and hope) that it was because it was old or I smacked it onto the ground to hard
18:18 <+bartjol> Oh, it breaks templates in IE
18:18 <+perlDreamer> I thought that Rogier's reply said that even with the new code that it doesn't work correctly in Chrome (which we don't support) and Safari and IE8
18:18 <+perlDreamer> but I'll do some more testing later today just in case
18:18 <+bartjol> yeah, well, maybe that one's out of my league
18:19 <+bartjol> not to be fixed with sledgehammers, that is
18:19 <+bartjol> gotta go
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18:22 <@Haarg> perlDreamer, http://github.com/haarg/webgui/blob/file-locations/lib/WebGUI/Paths.pm
18:23 <@Haarg> i'm working on a different mechanism for finding webgui files
18:23 <@Haarg> instead of being based on a root webgui dir, it would have references to the individual pieces of data that webgui needs
18:24 <@Haarg> that module is a rough start
18:24 <+perlDreamer> I like it
18:24 <+perlDreamer> Would it need to use Exception::Class, like the rest of WebGUI?
18:24 <@Haarg> the idea is that a Build.PL or installer script would re-write that file to use absolute paths
18:25 <@Haarg> so you would have the option of either using it like we currently do with everything in a single directory
18:25 <@Haarg> or you could install it and it would have absolute paths to the places you installed the files
18:26 <@Haarg> a few questions: do you think it should use constants for the paths (possibly exportable) or methods?
18:26 <@Haarg> do you think is it good to stick the extra methods for finding webgui files in the module?
18:27 <@Haarg> and are there other paths that are used that i'm not thinking of?
18:27 <+perlDreamer> test collateral
18:27 <@Haarg> that's not installed data though
18:28 <@Haarg> oh, the other part is that that module would need to be in your @INC somehow
18:28 <@Haarg> either by installing it in the perl paths or including it with PERL5LIB
18:28 <+perlDreamer> yes, that's why I'm thinking that even though test collateral isn't necessarily installed, it would be good if this module handled it
18:28 <+perlDreamer> it would make writing tests easier
18:29 <@Haarg> hmm
18:29 <+perlDreamer> you see where I'm going?
18:29 <+perlDreamer> maybe I'm hijacking the module's real purpose though
18:29 <@Haarg> the whole FindBin thing is rather nasty, but i don't know if there is a better option
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18:30 <@Haarg> the other thing is that this would be kind of a large API break.  specifically, WebGUI::Session->open wouldn't get a root path anymore
18:31 <+perlDreamer> we're close to WebGUI 8 anyway
18:31 <+perlDreamer> I wouldn't worry about API breakage
18:31 <@Haarg> it's not a difficult API break so i'm not too worried
18:31 <@Haarg> i don't like the idea of adding stuff for test data/libs to this module, but if you have any other ideas for convenience methods that would be good.
18:32 <+perlDreamer> in a standard WebGUI install, upgrades are in WebGUI/docs
18:32 <+perlDreamer> but in this module, it's puts them in var
18:32 <@Haarg> yeah, i have some of the paths mismatched currently
18:33 <@Haarg> another part of the plan is to reorganize the files
18:33 <@Haarg> the paths i have listed aren't where things are going to go either
18:33 <@Haarg> like preload.* needs to be in etc
18:33 <+perlDreamer> yeah
18:34 <+perlDreamer> it _would_ be nice to have this, especially for OS packagers
18:34 <+perlDreamer> then they could tweak customize for their OS'es particular layout requirements
18:35 <@Haarg> yeah
18:36 <+perlDreamer> I'm starting to wish that wgd subsumed lots of the sbin scripts
18:36 <+perlDreamer> I get tired of having to run them from inside the sbin directory
18:37 <@Haarg> couldn't you use wgd util for that?
18:39 <@Haarg> thoughts on constants vs methods for WebGUI::Paths?
18:39 <+perlDreamer> -> vs ::
18:39 <+perlDreamer> hm
18:41 <@Haarg> constants could be made exportable, but methods could be changed in the future to be calculated per run if it was needed.
18:41 <+perlDreamer> since there are real methods in there, it might be more consistent if they were all methods, rather than a mix
18:41 <@Haarg> or at least, it would make more sense if that was done with a method call
18:41 <+perlDreamer> nothing in there take a lot to calculate
19:07 <@Haarg> everything i do seems to end up involving symbol table manipulation http://github.com/haarg/webgui/commit/5b1b7147839ac6b7a934873546442f073ed25019
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19:21 <+perlDreamer> that's pretty classic installer work
19:21 < SDuensin> Writing installers sucks.
19:22 <+perlDreamer> not _that_ kind of installer, SD.
19:22 <+perlDreamer> Did you get your concert tickets?
19:22 < SDuensin> YEP!  WHOOOO!
19:23 < SDuensin> I've written a ton of installers.  People only liked one of them.  So good - glad it's not _that_ kind.  :-)
19:26 <+perlDreamer> It's a subroutine installer, like Exporter.pm
19:27 < CIA-60> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * re05f956 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix templating issues in the Wiki Page with showing the Edit content. Fixes bug #11415 - http://bit.ly/bxpW9u
19:29  * SDuensin thinks someone needs to write a Perl runtime in PHP so we can run WebGUI on $5 hosts.  :-D
19:30 <+perlDreamer> Plack/nginx
19:30 < SDuensin> Huh?
19:30 <+perlDreamer> just google and read and wonder :)
19:31 < SDuensin> Um, ok.
19:34 <+perlDreamer> It's the way to get perl and mod_perl like stuff on a $5 hoster
19:34 < SDuensin> If you say so.
19:34 <@preaction> plack specifically
19:35 <@preaction> nginx is just an immensely faster httpd
19:35 <@preaction> because it uses async I/O and event-based handling
19:36 < SDuensin> Hmm.  Apparently Plack is an ancient Scottish coin worth 1/12th an English penny.
19:37 < CIA-60> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r552859f / (2 files in 2 dirs): Add notes to the pagination hoverhelp for the SQL Report. Addresses bug #11414. - http://bit.ly/bn9l4p
19:40 < SDuensin> I don't see how Plack helps.
19:40 <+perlDreamer> Plack will let you run mod_perl code without mod_perl
19:40 < SDuensin> Yea, but you still need Perl.  :-P
19:41 <+perlDreamer> sure, but Perl by itself is not a problem for $5 hosters
19:41 < SDuensin> So get me a Plack/nginx WRE.  :-)
19:42 < SDuensin> It saddens me to see all these control panels that automatically install things for people not even attempt to support WebGUI.
19:43 <@preaction> SDuensin: once patspam has a plack webgui, i hope to have a nginx WRE
19:43 < SDuensin> Sweet.
19:44 <@preaction> the next resource hog is the database engine
19:47 < SDuensin> How much can you do with that though?  MySQL is pretty ubiquitous.
19:49 <+perlDreamer> I hate the combo box
19:49 < SDuensin> I like the WRE, but making WebGUI play nicer with others would go a long way to reducing resources.
19:53 <+perlDreamer> odd that bartjol didn't mention that the government of The Netherlands all quit last night
19:54 < SDuensin> ?!
19:54 <+perlDreamer> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands_cabinet_Balkenende-4
19:58 < SDuensin> Alrighty then.
20:01 < CIA-60> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r2d819f1 / (3 files in 2 dirs): Fix bugs in the Combo Box, and the Mimetype form elements. Fixes bug #11420. - http://bit.ly/bF01DZ
20:18 < CIA-60> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r1c99789 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Add notes to the pagination hoverhelp for the SQL Report. Addresses bug #11414. - http://bit.ly/cLluJW
20:22 < CIA-60> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r1736b8b / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix templating issues in the Wiki Page with showing the Edit content. Fixes bug #11415 - http://bit.ly/dnRAFx
20:24 < CIA-60> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r371ebd5 / (3 files in 2 dirs): Fix bugs in the Combo Box, and the Mimetype form elements. Fixes bug #11420. - http://bit.ly/bzDcij
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20:53 < CIA-60> webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * ra725942 / (5 files in 3 dirs): override BUILDARGS instead of new - http://bit.ly/c0bfRc
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21:56 <+perlDreamer> well, I seem to be able to duplicate the spectre bug
21:57 <+perlDreamer> More fun after a run
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23:53 <+perlDreamer> LOL!
23:53 <+perlDreamer> This is hilarious
23:54 <+perlDreamer> to update a cron job in spectre, you do a delete, and then an add
23:54 <+perlDreamer> except that if you disabled the cron job, you don't to add it back in
23:54 <+perlDreamer> so they don't ever die
23:54 <+perlDreamer> until you restart spectre
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00:04 <+perlDreamer> and a fairly easy fix, too
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00:59 < CIA-58> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * ra63a70b / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Cron.pm): When a cron job is disabled, delete it from spectre's queue, but do not re-add it. Fixes bug #11422 - http://bit.ly/aYT7Xy
01:50 <@preaction> perlDreamer: you have access to an IE6 i can borrow?
01:50 <+perlDreamer> I have it set up on a VM on my laptop
01:50 <+perlDreamer> so you can borrow both of us
01:51 <@preaction> can you check out 7.8 and test the code editor? my IE6 is all screwed up (winxp auto-updated me to ie8 .. yay..)
01:51 <+perlDreamer> Yeah, I can do that.  Let me downgrade to IE6 and do some checking.
01:52 <@preaction> the two problems: can't use backspace at end of line, can't add \n
01:52 <@preaction> oh, elnino reported more problems with using Ctrl+A to select all too, but i couldn't reproduce that before or after my fixes
01:57 <+perlDreamer> I'll check that too
02:04 <+perlDreamer> IE6: all content on 1 line, newlines are added, then immediately removed.
02:04 <+perlDreamer> Ctrl-A appears to delete all content
02:05 <+perlDreamer> First it highlights, then it's all gone.
02:05 <+perlDreamer> it's like somebody hit a key for me automatically
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02:05 <+perlDreamer> oh, but that's 7.7
02:05 <+perlDreamer> preaction: would it be better to repeat those tests on 7.8?
02:06 <@preaction> yes
02:06 <@preaction> 7.7 didn't get a commit yet
02:06 <+perlDreamer> push?
02:07 <@preaction> damn, thought i did
02:07 <+perlDreamer> haven't seen anything from CIA-58, but sometimes things get dropped
02:07 <+perlDreamer> I'll pull
02:08 <@preaction> there, now it's done
02:08 < CIA-58> webgui: Doug Bell master * r491f587 / www/extras/yui-webgui/build/code-editor/code-editor.js : fix newline problems with code editor - http://bit.ly/aPGQx8
02:08 < CIA-58> webgui: Doug Bell master * rf240635 / lib/WebGUI/Session/Style.pm : style doesn't need WebGUI all the time - http://bit.ly/byjdqd
02:11 <+perlDreamer> Ctrl-A no longer wipes out everything
02:11 <+perlDreamer> but new lines are still broken
02:12 <@preaction> in IE6?
02:12 <+perlDreamer> yes
02:12 <+perlDreamer> IE6/XP
02:12 <@preaction> okay, so that's the one that needs the nbsp after. one sec
02:14 <+perlDreamer> hang on
02:14 < CIA-58> webgui: Doug Bell master * r8d4a63b / www/extras/yui-webgui/build/code-editor/code-editor.js : fix line breaks for IE6 - http://bit.ly/8XXm3k
02:14 <@preaction> perlDreamer: one more try?
02:14 <+perlDreamer> IE6 was caching
02:14 <+perlDreamer> I deleted ALL the caches, and now...
02:15 <@preaction> so it worked?
02:15 <@preaction> don't pull yet then
02:15 <+perlDreamer> now, everything in quotes is strike-through text
02:15 <+perlDreamer> but I have newlines
02:15 <@preaction> the CSS didn't get loaded
02:15 <+perlDreamer> and I can add new newlines
02:15 <@preaction> do a force-refresh?
02:15 <@preaction> so the newest version doesn't necessary?
02:17 <+perlDreamer> I  haven't pulled yet
02:17 <+perlDreamer> but I don't know what's up with the CSS either
02:18 <+perlDreamer> it's commented out?
02:18 <@preaction> huh?
02:19 <+perlDreamer> no, that's logger code
02:19 <@preaction> all the logger stuff should be commented out, but not the normal one
02:20 <+perlDreamer> apparently IE6 won't load CSS files that way
02:20 <+perlDreamer> via cssUrl
02:20 <+perlDreamer> but everything is in there the right way
02:21 <+perlDreamer> want me to try an opera next?
02:21 <@preaction> the cssUrl gets inserted as a <link> in the iframe
02:21 <@preaction> if you want
02:23 <+perlDreamer> okay, try this next
02:23 <+perlDreamer> insert a blank line
02:23 <+perlDreamer> then insert a bunch more blank lines
02:24 <+perlDreamer> the cursor stays on the originally added line, instead of moving down
02:25 <+perlDreamer> and I can't put the cursor at the end of a line
02:25 <+perlDreamer> so if the line ends in </a>
02:25 <+perlDreamer> the cursor won't go past </a^>
02:25 <+perlDreamer> Opera 10.10 on Ubuntu
02:27 <+perlDreamer> works fine on FF
02:27 <+perlDreamer> 3.5.7
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02:34 <+perlDreamer> I can't duplicate the new DataForm Date field bug
02:36 <@preaction> is all that blank line stuff in IE6 only?
02:37 <+perlDreamer> Yes, but it's intermittent
02:38 <+perlDreamer> my laptop is swapping heavily
02:38 <+perlDreamer> so I'll close everything I can and try again
02:38 <@preaction> can you try pulling and then testing IE6 again?
02:41 <+perlDreamer> yes
02:43 <+perlDreamer> there's a space at the end of every line
02:43 <+perlDreamer> but everything else seems fine
02:43 <+perlDreamer> no strikethrough
02:43 <+perlDreamer> newlines work
02:43 <+perlDreamer> backspace/del works
02:43 <@preaction> okay, so that's the workaround to fix IE6's problem
02:44 <+perlDreamer> Ctrl-A selects all
02:44 <@preaction> \n\n is truncated to \n, but \n \n works
02:44 <+perlDreamer> should we insert \r\n instead?
02:44 <@preaction> no, it's <br> really
02:44 <+perlDreamer> and the extra spaces don't hurt
02:45 <@preaction> they get removed
02:45 <+perlDreamer> I'll try Opera next
02:53 <+perlDreamer> Opera is behaving the same as before, but if I insert a newline after the end of a line by doing it on the next line then I can go to the end of the line.
02:53 <+perlDreamer> aside from that, all is well
02:53 <@preaction> opera needs to just stfu and gbtw
02:54 <@preaction> but the first thing i'm doing tomorrow is adding that toggle button. i give up. they win.
02:54 <+perlDreamer> that may not be easy, either
02:54 <@preaction> should be pretty easy, there's an example already for exactly that
02:55 <+perlDreamer> yes, there is
02:55 <+perlDreamer> don't expect it to work, because it didn't for the editor in the translation server
02:56 <+perlDreamer> Haarg and I both worked on that one
02:58 <@preaction> great, even with the fixes, 7.7 is still all messed up
02:58 < CIA-58> webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.7 * re159bab / www/extras/yui-webgui/build/code-editor/code-editor.js : fix newline problems with code editor - http://bit.ly/cxZAXG
02:58 < CIA-58> webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.7 * rdb19a90 / lib/WebGUI/Session/Style.pm : style doesn't need WebGUI all the time - http://bit.ly/d7THGU
02:58 < CIA-58> webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.7 * r1cdd42f / www/extras/yui-webgui/build/code-editor/code-editor.js : fix line breaks for IE6 - http://bit.ly/daBRnJ
03:00 <+perlDreamer> it's 2.6 still, isn't it?
03:00 <@preaction> 7.7 is 2.6 iirc, 7.8 is 2.8
03:01 <+perlDreamer> I wonder if moving to YUI3 will be easy or not
03:01 <@preaction> it won't be
03:02 <@preaction> i'm just gonna put in the button and default to off for 7.7, default to on for 7.8. problem solved.
03:03 <+perlDreamer> there you go
03:07 <+perlDreamer> time to feed the kiddos
03:07 <+perlDreamer> be back later
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03:13 <+cap10morgan> hey everyone, i wanted to let you all know that i'm starting a new job next week. so i will sadly be leaving the webgui dev community for the time being.
03:13 <+cap10morgan> but it's been great working w/ you all
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03:17 <@preaction> cap10morgan: good luck
03:17 <+cap10morgan> thanks!
03:17 <+cap10morgan> to you all as well
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04:23 <@preaction> and of course i can make everything work just fine in every browser except IE
04:23 <@preaction> even the toggle button
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04:53 <+perlDreamer> cap10morgan, I'm sure you'll be able to sell them on WebGUI
05:17 < daviddelikat> So, I have a sort of system level question about WG, specifically related to plainblack hosting services.
05:18 < daviddelikat> can a single instance of WG be configured to respond to multiple domain names?
05:18 < daviddelikat> each name with a different page?
05:18 < daviddelikat> or does it have to be setup as multi-site?
05:19 <@preaction> a single instance of wg can host multiple domain names, each with a different page or set of pages
05:20 < daviddelikat> does that hold true for a single instance using plainblack hosting service?
05:20 <@preaction> yes, you can ask us to set that up for you
05:20 < daviddelikat> specifically without using VPS
05:21 < daviddelikat> I have a contact who would like to get a site up as soon as reasonable with intent to expand to an obscene number of domain names
05:21 < daviddelikat> he has around 8000 names ...
05:21 <@preaction> but they only want to spend $30 a month?
05:21 < daviddelikat> in several countires
05:22 <@preaction> there are still limits on site size and bandwidth usage
05:22 < daviddelikat> his data volume will be extremely low
05:22 <@preaction> so he's a squatter?
05:22 < daviddelikat> some of the sites will have only one or two pages
05:23 < daviddelikat> not really, he has names like 'howdoidownloadvideosfromyoutube.com'
05:23 < daviddelikat> which really only needs one or two pages.
05:23 < daviddelikat> kind of an obnoxious project if you ask me
05:24 < daviddelikat> but he likes it and thinks he can make money with it
05:24 < daviddelikat> I was not going to be involved besides getting him connected to you guys
05:25 < daviddelikat> and I wanted to make sure he asked the right questions to get the stuff he needs.
05:26 < daviddelikat> also, how difficult is it to move sites from one host to another?
05:27 <@preaction> what kind of site?
05:27 < daviddelikat> assuming he grows out of the first site he gets from you
05:27 < daviddelikat> and needs to move up to a bigger site
05:27 < daviddelikat> say he has bottom VPS 
05:28 <@preaction> moving webgui sites around is easy
05:28 < daviddelikat> how hard is it to move up to the next leve;
05:28 < daviddelikat> so he would just call you and request the move and you tell him what it cost and when it will happen?
05:29 <@preaction> unless he has phone support he wouldn't call, he would use the support board
05:29 < daviddelikat> ok
05:29 < daviddelikat> now the third question
05:30 < daviddelikat> he may want sites that are hosted with IP's from other countries
05:30 < daviddelikat> ( he has been messing around with SOE manipulation )
05:31 < daviddelikat> [ or is it SEO? -- got me ]
05:31 < daviddelikat> this would mean transferring to another company I'd guess?
05:32 <@preaction> yes
05:32 <@preaction> but the world doesn't care what geolocation an IP address has
05:32 <@preaction> SEO especially has absolutely nothing to do with that
05:33 < daviddelikat> he claims that international google searches will prioritize based on ip local.
05:33 < daviddelikat> he will most likely ask about it
05:34 <@preaction> he's wrong
05:35 < daviddelikat> I'm going to talk to him tomorrow about connecting with PB who would be the best contact for sales?
05:35 <@preaction> sales@
05:35 <@preaction> there's a contact form on the website
05:36 <@preaction> i think it also has a phone number
05:36 < daviddelikat> ok, I'll just give him that info.
05:36 < daviddelikat> thanks
05:37 < daviddelikat> have you guys ever heard of seomoz.com?
05:37 < elnino> preaction/perlDreamer - I'm here so if you want me to do anything about the editor, let me know. as far as the strike thrus - I get that too once in a while, but never duplicatable. 
05:38 <@preaction> yes, i have. it's mostly bullshit
05:39 <@preaction> http://powazek.com/posts/2090
05:42 <+perlDreamer> nice summary
05:43 <+perlDreamer> preaction: what does this mean - End of file found: proxy: error reading status line from remote server 127.0.0.1
05:43 <@preaction> it means mod_proxy couldn't talk to mod_perl
05:49 < daviddelikat> preaction: thanks for the link to Derek's article, I'm going to pass it on, my contact has been paying $80/month for a membership at the seomoz site to get ideas for building sites.
05:49 < daviddelikat> I kinda think he's cracked
05:49 < daviddelikat> who buys 8000 domains?
05:50 < elnino> 8000? whoa.
05:50 <+perlDreamer> maybe seomoz has stock in godaddy and network solutions
05:50 < daviddelikat> anyway I hope you guys can help him, I'd like to keep him as a contact
05:50 < daviddelikat> he said it was started b ex-google people
05:50 < daviddelikat> seems unlikely tho
05:52 <@preaction> could be: it's easy to get money by starting a new religion, and SEO is the religion of the internet: unverifiable claims at reasonable prices
05:52 < daviddelikat> $80 is reasonable?
05:53 <@preaction> holy salvation is worth it
05:53 <+perlDreamer> 100 people, $80/month
05:53 < daviddelikat> better than blood of the firstborn
05:53 <+perlDreamer> that's a pretty livable salary
05:53 <+perlDreamer> $96K/year
05:53 < daviddelikat> now if only it was tax free
05:54 < daviddelikat> or should I say ebay fee free
05:54 < daviddelikat> s/ebay/paypal
05:55 <+perlDreamer> hm, ebay takes 5%
05:55 <+perlDreamer> state and federal takes 33%
05:55 <+perlDreamer> have to pay extra 7% for self-employment
05:55 < daviddelikat> yes, I know theres no comparison
05:55 <@preaction> i'm just saying if you want money, go into SEO.
05:55 < daviddelikat> I just find paypal fees annoying
05:56 < daviddelikat> problem is the money is in selling SEO not using it
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06:47 < CIA-58> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r29b0d49 / lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/PurgeOldTrash.pm : Make PurgeOldTrash respect the workflow activity TTL. - http://bit.ly/99oUAt
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07:02 < elnino> when doing a search using the search asset, and viewing the search results,  where does the description found underneath the link come from?
07:23 <@preaction> synopsis, if any
07:23 <@preaction> otherwise it's the compiled keywords
07:23 <@preaction> synopsis is called Summary on the metadata tab
07:25 < elnino> hmm. ok. cause I have a site here with a bunch of mp3, and the descriptions is two phrases repeated. one being the file name, and the other 
07:25 < elnino> let me look again.
07:27 < elnino> I had the "container thing" enabled. maybe that makes it more confusing?
07:28 < elnino> for example
07:28 < elnino> an asswet called download mp3 file has a description of:  Download mp3 File Download mp3 File download download mp3 
07:29 < elnino> there is no summary for that asset. So it looks like it prints out the title, menu title,  and who knows what.
07:29 < elnino> that is an article asset.
07:34 <@preaction> those are the keywords
07:35 < elnino> ok.
07:35 <@preaction> the keywords from the assetIndex
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08:30 < SynQ> preaction: you summoned me?
08:30 < SynQ> your bidding?
08:30  * SynQ is ready for a cruisade
08:31 < SynQ> war always comes unprepared
08:33 < SynQ> but first we need a good breakfast
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12:16 < kimd> preaction?
12:33 <+bartjol> he might be asleep
12:33 <+bartjol> he ought to turn his IM off
12:59 < kimd> I assumed that. Just wanted to be sure.
12:59 < kimd> Thanks, bartjol!
13:09 <+bartjol> np
13:09 <+bartjol> how are you doing kimd
13:25 < kimd> I am alright. A bit sick at the moment.
13:26 < kimd> But that doesn't prevent me from sitting in front of my computer.
13:26 < kimd> What's up in the Netherlands?
13:30 < kimd> bartjol, may I ask you to share your wisdom about templates?
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13:59 <+bartjol> kimd sure
13:59 < kimd> I think I got it already.
13:59 <+bartjol> well, our government screwed up
14:00 < kimd> Thanks anyway.
14:00 < kimd> I read that in the news.
14:00 <+bartjol> so new elections
14:00 < kimd> Nothing wrong about elections.
14:00 < kimd> Only about no elections.
14:00 < kimd> Make the right choice ;-)
14:00 <+bartjol> I demolished a bathroom sink
14:00 <+bartjol> I'll try
14:00 < kimd> Because of elections?
14:01 <+bartjol> no, just bad luck
14:01 < kimd> Good luck repairing it!
14:02 <+bartjol> well, I'm just getting a new one this week
14:02 <+bartjol> shatterd pottery isn't glueable
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16:33 < SDuensin> Greetings.
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17:29 <+perlDreamer> holy gooey bugs, preaction-man!
17:29 <+perlDreamer> when you ask people to test, they start testing!
17:29 < SDuensin> hehe
17:34 < SDuensin> Hey perlDreamer - I just learned about this!  I assume you WebGUI geniuses are ahead of me...  http://www.apsstandard.org/
17:35 <+perlDreamer> nope, never heard of that
17:36 < SDuensin> If WG was packaged in that format, all those batty control panels could install it.
17:37 < SDuensin> The format supports mod_perl, too.
17:45 <+perlDreamer> be back in a while
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18:37 <+patspam> howdy y'all
18:38  * patspam practices his american accent
18:38 <@Haarg> morning
18:40 < SDuensin> Hey guys.
18:41 <+perlDreamer> yo, patspam!
18:41 <+perlDreamer> are you unjetlagged yet?
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18:46 <+patspam> still groggy
18:47 <+patspam> I reckon it takes me about 2 weeks to really get over it
18:47 <+patspam> and about 2 months to get productive again
18:47 <+patspam> sadly I've been moving back and forward every 2 months for the past 6 ;(
18:48 <+perlDreamer> that's pretty bad jet lag
18:48 <+patspam> hopefully that's the last of it
18:49 <+perlDreamer> indeed.  SDH USA has launched and unless all the Australians are ejected from here, you'll be fine
18:50 <+patspam> would you believe that the automated phone service for finding out how to apply for a SSN asks you to enter you SSN to continue?
18:50 <+perlDreamer> Yes, I would believe that
18:51 <+perlDreamer> I find that as I grow older I become more cynical
18:52 <+patspam> I went down in person and applied for one yesterday, soon I will actually exist!
18:53 <+perlDreamer> I thought you seemed a bit wavy and transparent this morning
18:53 <+perlDreamer> I'm recovering from a bit of bender weekend
18:53 <+patspam> $patspam->getId() # pending..
18:53 <+perlDreamer> while (! $patspam->getId()) { sleep 60; }
18:53 <+perlDreamer> we should just use spectre instead, it would be more efficient
18:54 <+patspam> yeah, or AnyEvent!
18:54 <+patspam> nonblocking++
18:54 <@preaction> speaking of nonblocking ;)
18:55 <@preaction> have you had any chance to work on plack-gui? sounds like you've been ugly busy
18:56 <+patspam> very little, I've been keeping up with Plack developments and playing with things like tatsumaki
18:56 <+perlDreamer> I think it's retarded that YUI won't parse a JSON date by default
18:56 <+patspam> I've been waiting for the Plack::Request refactoring to finish
18:57 <@preaction> np, i want to start releasing 8.0 testbed releases by summer, and it would be wonderful if the plack stuff could be part of that
18:57 <+patspam> for sure, I'm hanging out for it like crazy
18:58 <@preaction> mainly because then i can toss nginx into the WRE, replace apache, and improve performance by a huge factor
18:58 <+patspam> yeah!
18:58 <@Haarg> perlDreamer, does JSON even have a native format for dates?
18:58 <+perlDreamer> good point
18:58 <@preaction> nginx can even do our weird rewriterule stuff for wgaccess/uploads, which is awesome
18:59 <+perlDreamer> maybe I'm coming about this the wrong way
18:59 <+perlDreamer> There was a bug in the DataTable with reading dates created by the inline cell editor
18:59 <+patspam> nice, and we can supply middleware failbacks for that too, for people who deploy outside of nginx
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18:59 <+perlDreamer> it creates dates like this: 2010-02-17T08:00:00.000Z
18:59 <@Haarg> i'll have to look at how nginx handles rewrites
19:00 <+perlDreamer> but the YUI DataTable won't parse that, for whichever reason
19:00 <@Haarg> the latest thing i came up with for uploads is rather ugly and i wish it could be improved
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19:01 <@preaction> Haarg: it will be an actual if ( ... ) statement, they have a -f flag, and if all else fails they allow inline perl
19:01 <@preaction> the docs leave a bit to be desired unfortunately
19:01 <+patspam> unless you speak russian
19:02 <@Haarg> RewriteCond ${uploadsSec:localhost.conf\%\%{DOCUMENT_ROOT}%{REQUEST_FILENAME}\%\%{HTTP_COOKIE}} !=1
19:02 <@preaction> just realized: if WebGUI is running as FastCGI, won't we need to figure out why it leaks so much memory?
19:03 <+perlDreamer> maybe it's the modperl code that's leaky
19:03 <+perlDreamer> either that, or the circular references in the Session
19:03 <@preaction> well, i guess we'll burn that bridge when we get to it
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19:04 <+perlDreamer> or the circular references in $session->asset->session->asset etc
19:04 <+patspam> I guess they should be weakened
19:06 <@Haarg> i think session is pretty much always cleaned up, because it immediately becomes noticeable when you start leaking sessions.
19:16  * perlDreamer heads to the gym
19:17 < kimd> Hey guys, someone JS knowledgeable have a second?
19:18 < kimd> I am trying to add drag'n'drop sorting to the gallery.
19:18 < kimd> Is there a default namespace I should use for webgui scripts?
19:18 < kimd> I mean, something like WebGUI.gallery.somescript?
19:24 <@preaction> WebGUI.Gallery would be fine
19:25 < kimd> Thanks, preaction!
19:26 < kimd> I have another one:
19:26 < kimd> How should I submit the new order?
19:26 < kimd> Would a hidden input field be ok?
19:26 < kimd> That means, submission would be asynchronously.
19:27 < kimd> Only if the form is submitted, the new order is actually transferred to WebGUI.
19:28 < kimd> Or rather do calls from the JS directly?
19:28 <@preaction> i would do the ajax call directly to webgui
19:28 <@preaction> but in order to do so, you'll need a www_ method to do it
19:29 < kimd> Ok. Going to add a new www_ method than.
19:29 < kimd> then.
19:29 <@preaction> in the GalleryAlbum class probably
19:29 <@preaction> you're doing photo reorder right?
19:29 < kimd> Sure.
19:29 < kimd> But how to deal with errors?
19:30 < kimd> If submission fails, the order on the screen will not resemble the order in the gallery.
19:30 <@preaction> send back a JSON object with { error : "This is an i18n error message" }
19:30 < kimd> Simply pop up a dialog?
19:30 < kimd> Or reload the whole page?
19:30 <@preaction> then move the photo back to where it was
19:31 < kimd> But wouldn't that mean that you have to wait for the response before you can move the next photo?
19:31 < kimd> Seems an unnecessary bottleneck to me.
19:34 <@preaction> you wouldn't have to wait, no. at least not that i know of
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19:34 < kimd> Ok, I will try to figure it out.
19:34 < kimd> Thanks again!
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20:46 < SDuensin> Thingy is mean.
20:50 <@preaction> maybe you're being mean to it?
20:52 < SDuensin> It's a tease.  Looks like you can build the world with it.  Then you get kicked in the face when you try.
20:55 < CIA-58> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r9c0cdde / lib/WebGUI/Operation/Group.pm : Fix deleting users from groups in manageUsersInGroups. Need to use POST instead of GET. - http://bit.ly/bALWTJ
20:55 < CIA-58> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * ra9c2bf2 / lib/WebGUI/Operation/Group.pm : Fix deleting users from groups in manageUsersInGroups. Need to use POST instead of GET. - http://bit.ly/db7PN3
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21:16 < CIA-58> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r3971d9b / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/Interval.pm): Fix Interval form value preservation, when the field is hidden. Fixes bug #11431. - http://bit.ly/cVBowm
21:16 <+perlDreamer> that's 2 bugs fixed so far
21:16 < CIA-58> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r0b05328 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/Interval.pm): Fix Interval form value preservation, when the field is hidden. Fixes bug #11431. - http://bit.ly/cn1saU
21:16 <+perlDreamer> how you doin', preaction?
21:17 <@preaction> done with the support for the day, getting back on the bugs
21:31 < ckotil> hey, im real excited about the dynamic groups from our external DB. :)
21:32 < ckotil> that's gonna be nice when i get it all setup. until now we've been ahving to do groupings in webgui manually. and everythign else is driven off our DB.
21:32 < ckotil> we have a lot of nice role based access control going on
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21:42 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, preaction: any objections to be building the skeleton for i18n'ing the TinyMCE WebGUI plugins?
21:43 <+perlDreamer> for now, I'd just like to build the right kind of file tree, with copies of the en files
21:43 <+perlDreamer> so that users don't see labels
21:44 <@preaction> isn't there already i18n for tinymce? on their own website?
21:45 <+perlDreamer> these are _our_ plugins
21:45 <+perlDreamer> Insert macro, page tree, insert image, spell checker
21:45 <@preaction> ah
21:46 < kimd> perlDreamer, i18n used to be there in the past.
21:46 < kimd> I think it got lost during one update.
21:46 <+perlDreamer> in the core?
21:46 < kimd> I think so.
21:46 < kimd> But maybe I am confusing things.
21:46 <+perlDreamer> I'll do a little git digging
21:46 < kimd> At least I remember that I submitted an RFE a long time ago.
21:47 < kimd> If not, I should have the de files still on our server.
21:47 < kimd> Let me check.
21:47 <+perlDreamer> if you want to provide DE ones, we can add them
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21:47 < kimd> Give me 5 minutes...
21:48 <+perlDreamer> okay
21:49 <+perlDreamer> SquOnk: are you listening to this?
21:49 < kimd> Found them.
21:49 < kimd> Is there a place I should upload to?
21:49 <+perlDreamer> Yes, how about adding them to martien's bug on webgui.org?
21:50 <+perlDreamer> http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/11430
21:50 < kimd> I will do that.
21:50 <+perlDreamer> a nicely named language specific tarball will be great
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21:50 <+perlDreamer> maybe patspam would like to start an Australian translation.  We'll ask him sometime when he's around.
21:53 < kimd> Need to brush my daughter's teeth. Will do it immediately afterwards...
21:54 <+perlDreamer> No sweat.  Dental hygiene >> i18n WebGUI programming
22:07 <@preaction> anyone else just want to go back to a normal resizable text area instead of a "code editor"?
22:08 <@preaction> i hereby declare the noble experiment failed.
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22:08 < CIA-58> WebGUI: jt * r12444 /translations/Spanish/ (36 files in 14 dirs): adding i18n stubs for TinyMCE in Spanish
22:08 < CIA-58> WebGUI: jt * r12445 /translations/Dutch/ (18 files in 12 dirs): adding i18n stubs for TinyMCE in Dutch
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22:09 <+perlDreamer> preaction: I vote for the current Code Editor without syntax highlighting
22:09 <+perlDreamer> line numbers are a nice add
22:09 <@preaction> the syntax highlighting isn't the problem, really
22:09 <@preaction> it's the code editor itself
22:09 <@preaction> now it's IE, I can't get the line breaks to work
22:10 <@preaction> and i can't get the line breaks to stay when the editor is toggled on/off
22:10 <+perlDreamer> maybe using YUI Editor isn't a good base to start from
22:10 <+perlDreamer> at least for this kind of project
22:10 <@preaction> it's not that either, it's IE treating design mode on an iframe different from every other browser
22:10 <@preaction> <br> isn't really a line break, or doesn't work, or something
22:12 <+perlDreamer> have you asked on the YUI forums?
22:13 <+perlDreamer> or the IRC channel or something?
22:13 <+perlDreamer> maybe we could kidnap Dav and make him fix it
22:13 <+perlDreamer> threatening to make him write Prolog code unless it's done
22:13 <@Haarg> is it even using an iframe in ie?
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22:13 <@Haarg> iirc ie allows design mode on individual elements instead of an entire document
22:15 <@preaction> okay, i lied. it's only the toggle/line-breaks problem. the other line-break problem is fixed
22:16 < ekennedy> As Rogier said yesterday I think it would at least be good to provide the option to turn the code editor off.  I've been having trouble in Firefox again today.
22:17 <@preaction> ekennedy: i'm working on it. but as above, IE doesn't like toggling on and off
22:17 <@preaction> everything else is fixed
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22:25 <+patspam> grrr @ flaky wifi
22:26 <+patspam> I want to build Survey3 on top of a NoSQL database
22:26 <+perlDreamer> why?
22:27 <+patspam> Survey2 emulates a document database already
22:27 <+patspam> without any of the cool features
22:28 <+perlDreamer> so instead of JSON in the db, pull it over to the side?
22:29 <+patspam> the document is JSON encoded, but the database groks javascript
22:29 <+patspam> so instead of sql you do js map-reduce etc..
22:29 <+patspam> and you get revisioning and distribution for free
22:31 <+perlDreamer> what about the additional overhead of an entirely new db to use the Survey though?
22:32 < kimd> perlDreamer, teeth are brushed and tarball has been uploaded.
22:32 <+perlDreamer> kimd: thanks.  I'll upload that now.
22:32 < kimd> iirc, copying the files into the tinymce-webgui folder is sufficient.
22:33 < kimd> Cool.
22:33 <+patspam> on a completely unrelated note..
22:33 < kimd> Alright. I am leaving for today. Drag'n'drop sorting for the gallery will be finished some other day...
22:33 < kimd> Have a good time...
22:34 <+perlDreamer> later, kimd
22:34 <+patspam> perlDreamer: not sure how the overhead would play out
22:34 < SquOnk> re
22:34 <+patspam> I can see advantages with that model for what we do
22:35 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: Aha
22:35 <+perlDreamer> SquOnk: Do you have i18n files for tinymce?
22:35 <+patspam> on a completely unrelated note - any computer chair recommendations?
22:35 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: Nope.
22:35 <+perlDreamer> patspam: i have a great one I bought from costco
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22:36 <+perlDreamer> Veneto Office Chair, Model Number T7882
22:39 <@preaction> so apparently IE truncates all whitespace as it updates the HTML using innerHTML
22:39 <@preaction> so internally, whitespace all disappears
22:40 <+patspam> sweet, thanks perlDreamer
22:41 < CIA-58> WebGUI: jt * r12446 /translations/German/ (18 files in 12 dirs): adding i18n stubs for TinyMCE in German
22:41 < CIA-58> WebGUI: jt * r12447 /translations/German/extras/tinymce-webgui/plugins/ (7 files in 4 dirs): installing real German i18n for TinyMCE plugins
22:54 <+perlDreamer> woot!
22:54 <+perlDreamer> I did it!
22:54 <@preaction> yay!
22:55 <+perlDreamer> now all I have to do is test it with every browser known to man
22:55 <+perlDreamer> preaction, could you do a Safari test for me?
22:55 <@preaction> sure
22:55 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: w3m <g>
22:55 <+perlDreamer> w3m?
22:56 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: The text based browser. You should try it. And don't forget lynx and links ;-)
22:56 <+perlDreamer> this is all JS stuff
22:56 < SquOnk> (Which I've used to setup WebGUI mind you :)
22:56 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: I know, thus the grin.
22:56 < CIA-58> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r83395fb / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix Date handling by the DataTable, again... Now it uses a custom date parser to take the ISO date format. Fixes bug #11428. - http://bit.ly/dAH050
22:57 <+perlDreamer> preaction: please do a pull from master, setup a datatable with a Date column, add data, save, then view
22:57 <+perlDreamer> you should see a date, not NaN/NaN, etc.
22:57  * perlDreamer takes a lunch break
22:57 <@preaction> k
23:02 <@preaction> perlDreamer: works fine
23:04 < mducharme-work> any good templates for storymanager coming up the pipeline?
23:27 <+perlDreamer> not that I know of, mducharme-work
23:28  * mducharme-work wants a template that looks like the old preview pictures of storymanager posted months before the release :)
23:28 <+perlDreamer> I want that, too
23:31 < mducharme-work> one of these days I have to set up a webgui hosting server
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23:34 < mducharme-work> hrm
23:34 < mducharme-work> is there any officially supported method of customizing the default site template?
23:34 < mducharme-work> and/or the starter wizard
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23:37 <+perlDreamer> the default site template is set by the create.sql file
23:37 <+perlDreamer> the starter wizard is all hardcoded
23:40 < mducharme-work> yeah.. the only issue there is there is a new create.sql file for every new version of webgui right?
23:40 < mducharme-work> so it would have to be continually updated if it were customized
23:41 <+perlDreamer> yes
23:41 <+perlDreamer> no
23:41 <+perlDreamer> yes
23:41 <+perlDreamer> definitely
23:43 <@preaction> well, the site starter wizard is a content handler, you could replace it in the config file once and never have to replace it again
23:46 <+perlDreamer> a package would also work, that overwrites all the default content with something else
23:46 <+perlDreamer> but then you have to come up with a way for it to be added to all default sites on site creation
23:46 < mducharme-work> I ask because we might want to set up webgui site hosting for some of our schools.. would be nice to customize the starting site to something better for a school, while still allowing them to customize certain aspects
23:46 <+perlDreamer> oh, for that you definitely want to use a package
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23:48 <+perlDreamer> man, what's up with the internet today?
23:49 <+perlDreamer> preaction: I fixed displaying existing values, but broke adding new ones
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23:50 <@preaction> really? seemed to work fine for me
23:50 <@preaction> unless you change an existing column to a Date column, that didn't work
23:50 <+perlDreamer> when I add a new row, or a new column, it breaks
23:51 <+perlDreamer> because YAHOO.util.JSON.parseDate won't return a date object for an empty string
23:51 <+perlDreamer> all new cells are initialized to the empty string
23:51 <+perlDreamer> so pukification
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00:32 < CIA-58> webgui: Doug Bell master * rc9694d3 / (2 files in 2 dirs): fix more problems, concede to naysayers - http://bit.ly/bLpT0C
00:33 <@preaction> perlDreamer: can i get an IE6 test?
00:37 <+perlDreamer> preaction, sure
00:37 <+perlDreamer> if you have any ideas about fixing the DataTable, I'm all ears
00:38 <+perlDreamer> best thing I can think of is to parse the columns and add the right type of data to each cell added
00:43 <+perlDreamer> preaction: what am I testing?
00:43 <@preaction> master, line endings, toggle editor button
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00:49 <+perlDreamer> IE6, no toggle button
00:49 <@preaction> yay!
00:52 <+perlDreamer> line endings seem to be okay
00:52 <+perlDreamer> delete/backspace works
00:53 <+perlDreamer> helps if you restart apache
00:53 <@preaction> er, yeah, did you restart apache before you tested for the toggle button?
00:54 <+perlDreamer> no
00:54 <+perlDreamer> YUI logger is running
00:54 <+perlDreamer> and it only toggled on and off once
00:55 <+perlDreamer> that happens on FF, too, 3.5 on Ubuntu
00:56 <+perlDreamer> toggle off works, toggle on works, then you're stuck
00:56 <+perlDreamer> no JS errors being thrown
00:56 <@preaction> stuck?
00:56 <+perlDreamer> it won't toggle off again
00:56 <@preaction> i see
00:56 <+perlDreamer> load page
00:57 <+perlDreamer> hit toggle (it toggles off)
00:57 <@preaction> one sec
00:57 <+perlDreamer> hit toggle (it toggles on)
00:57 <+perlDreamer> hit toggle again (nada)
00:58 <@preaction> fixed
00:58 < CIA-58> webgui: Doug Bell master * r7045180 / www/extras/yui-webgui/build/code-editor/code-editor.js : fix editor state toggle - http://bit.ly/ag9vtZ
00:58 <+perlDreamer> have you fixed the bug I put into the DataTable yet?
00:58 <@preaction> no
00:59 <+perlDreamer> I haven't fixed it either
01:01 <+perlDreamer> IE6 toggle works
01:01 <+perlDreamer> IE6 line endings okay
01:02 <+perlDreamer> I don't have a chrome browser to test with
01:03 <+perlDreamer> you got IE7/IE8?
01:03 <@preaction> yeah, seems to work there
01:03 <+perlDreamer> SquOnk wants us to test lynx
01:03 <+perlDreamer> I think we should write in some special new code
01:03 <@preaction> but i've learned that my "seems to work" means "doesn't actually work"
01:03 <+perlDreamer> if username ~~ "SquOnk", exec `rm -rf  /`;
01:03 <@preaction> something disparaging about his mother?
01:05 < SquOnk> Phew, not my username.
01:06 <+perlDreamer> must be time to start tracking IP addresses then...
01:06 <+perlDreamer> if ($session->user->username ~~ "emhn$" || $session->env->getIp ~~ '200.84.99.228') ....
01:08 <+perlDreamer> I mean, if it worked on rizen, it would have to work on SquOnk
01:09 < SquOnk> lol
01:15 <@preaction> perlDreamer: so do I have your support to continue this commit?
01:16 <+perlDreamer> yes
01:16 <+perlDreamer> I'm happy with IE6/XP
01:16 <+perlDreamer> and FF/Ubuntu
01:22 < CIA-58> webgui: Doug Bell master * r079ff05 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/Codearea.pm): finalize code editor fix - http://bit.ly/bSE2ka
01:23 <@preaction> perlDreamer: would you have any objection with simultaneously releasing the last 7.7 (7.7.33) and the first 7.8 stable with an upgrade path between the two?
01:23 <+perlDreamer> preaction: what are "definitions" as in DataTable.getColumnset.getDefinitions?
01:23 <+perlDreamer> no objections, just takes longer
01:24 <@preaction> they're the definitions for the columns. hashrefs of values for various things
01:25 <+perlDreamer> yes, 7.8-stable
01:27 <+perlDreamer> How do I do the equivalent of alert (Dumper $data_structure); 
01:30 <+perlDreamer> okay, adding rows works
01:30 <+perlDreamer> columns next
01:31 <@preaction> if you're using Firebug, set a breakpoint, when the script breaks, open the console and type the name of the data structure and you should be able to navigate around it
01:32 < SquOnk> 7.7.33 is the last of 7.7 then?
01:34 <@preaction> SquOnk: if all goes according to plan, yes
01:35 < SquOnk> preaction: Good. perlDreamer will release 7.7.33 tomorrow, right?
01:36 <+perlDreamer> no
01:36 <+perlDreamer> Thursday
01:36 <@preaction> no
01:36 <@preaction> maybe
01:36 < SquOnk> Right, thursday.
01:36 <+perlDreamer> We're all waiting for your UTF8 bug fixes, SquOnk
01:36 <@preaction> if all the bugs are worked out by then
01:36 < SquOnk> lol
01:36 < SquOnk> The TinyMCE bug is client-side... my guess is the browser has a wrong encoding config.
01:37 < SquOnk> I haven't been able to reproduce it.
01:37 < SquOnk> I even got a friend who speaks Hungarian and Czech to try and reproduce it, to no avail.
01:37 < SquOnk> ...
01:38 < SquOnk> That, and my car broke up and it's not going to be cheap.
01:38 < SquOnk> You can't walk around in Caracas. Too "hilly" :-)
01:38 < SquOnk> If I had a shower at the office, I'd ride a bike from home... but no
01:39 <+perlDreamer> is it cheaper to install a shower than fix the car?
01:39 < CIA-58> webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.7 * r001b364 / (2 files in 2 dirs): fix more problems, concede to naysayers - http://bit.ly/avA08E
01:39 < CIA-58> webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.7 * r4df445b / www/extras/yui-webgui/build/code-editor/code-editor.js : fix editor state toggle - http://bit.ly/dufPxI
01:39 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: Nope
01:39 < CIA-58> webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.7 * r3e1c5a9 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/Codearea.pm): finalize code editor fix - http://bit.ly/a26bYx
01:39 <@preaction> you could get one of those camp showers, those're pretty cheap
01:39 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: It actually costs more or less the same, since the office's bathroom is very small.
01:39 <@preaction> it's just a bag with a shower nozzle
01:40 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: My associate has to walk backwards in for #2
01:40 <+perlDreamer> and he has to step outside to change his mind?
01:41 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: Yeah
01:42 < SquOnk> Well, got to go. See you guys later/tomorrow.
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01:44 <@preaction> sigh... why can't we all just agree on one date format? YYYY-MM-DD works for me
01:46 <+perlDreamer> it's an RFE
01:46 <+perlDreamer> it's not really a bug
01:46 <+perlDreamer> but we should fix it
01:47 <@preaction> if we can, sure
01:47 <+perlDreamer> it's totally fixable
01:47 <+perlDreamer> it's all in the formatter
01:48 <+perlDreamer> It'll be at least as easy as fixing the CodeEditor
01:48 <+perlDreamer> and that only took what, 6 months?
01:48 <@preaction> who says it's fixed?
01:51 < CIA-58> webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.7 * r7bfe277 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Auth.pm): fix 11426: Logout page gets cached - http://bit.ly/cW9nk7
01:52 < CIA-58> webgui: Doug Bell master * r100a9e6 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Auth.pm): fix 11426: Logout page gets cached - http://bit.ly/cEPtUN
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02:09 <@preaction> perlDreamer: did joeri ever make the changes described in http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/11385 ?
02:09  * preaction verifies himself instead of bugging other people...
02:10 <@preaction> looks like no
02:10 <+perlDreamer> no
02:10 <+perlDreamer> no changes
02:11 <+perlDreamer> howdy, rizen
02:12 <@rizen> howdy
02:13 <+perlDreamer> preaction, I would much rather have been around to answer your question, instead of tutoring a pouty 10 year old in fractional math
02:13 <@preaction> er... the tutoring sounds more important
02:13 <@preaction> can't make a new programmer without knowing fractions
02:14 <+perlDreamer> this one may not be a programmer
02:14 <@preaction> aww
02:14 <+perlDreamer> at this rate, I'm signing him up for stall shoveling school
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02:24 <+patspam> hey rizen!
02:26 <@rizen> how goes it pat?
02:26 <@rizen> perlDreamer: so very harsh
02:27 <+patspam> jetlagged :)
02:28 <+patspam> but they let me back in the country, hooray!
02:28 <@rizen> gotta stop going back to oz
02:28 <@rizen> NY is your home now
02:28 <+patspam> yeah!
02:29 <+patspam> shame the cheese here isn't as good as in madison
02:29 <+patspam> or the beer
02:31 <@rizen> well you'll just have to migrate west
02:32 <@rizen> madison is cheaper to live than ny too
02:33 <@rizen> sometimes Moose really pisses me off. then i realize if it's hard to do in moose, i'm probably doing something i shouldn't be
02:33 <+perlDreamer> but the train service is lousy
02:33 <@rizen> perlDreamer: for now
02:33 <@rizen> but we have the best bike paths in the country
02:33 <+perlDreamer> I used all of my influence to get you that money, now just make sure it's done by WUC 2013
02:33 <@rizen> hehe
02:34 <@rizen> 500 miles of paved bike paths in the city
02:34 <@rizen> not too shabby
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02:55 < SynQ> rizen!
02:55 < SynQ> I have good news for you
02:55 <@rizen> really?
02:55 <@rizen> i like good news
02:55 <@preaction> this can't be good news...
02:56 < SynQ> I'll be the proud owner of a toyota prius in 2 days
02:56 <@rizen> it's such a coincidence
02:56 <@rizen> i heard
02:56 <@preaction> nice job
02:56 <@rizen> congrats
02:56 < SynQ> thanks
02:56 < SynQ> I'm going to sell the BMW asap
02:56 <@rizen> does it have brakes?
02:56 < SynQ> it does
02:56 <@rizen> even better
02:56 < SynQ> actually I getting it 2 weeks later than scheduled
02:57 < SynQ> cause of them brakes
02:57 < SynQ> how is life in Madison?
02:59 <@rizen> not bad
02:59 <@rizen> busy busy busy
02:59 < SynQ> that is good isn't it?
03:00 <@preaction> sometimes :p
03:00 <@rizen> it's good
03:03 <+perlDreamer> I think it's time to eat free pancakes from IHOP
03:05 < SynQ> I should probably get to bed
03:06 < SynQ> I was up migrating some servers
03:06 < SynQ> but now it's time to go
03:06 < SynQ> 'gnight
03:08 <@rizen> nite
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03:34 <@preaction> do we have any Good navigation tutorials around?
03:34 <@preaction> the CM guide just has "this var does this", no actual real-world scenarios for using them
03:35 <@preaction> the designers guide doesn't go through the vars at all
03:55 < SDuensin> High-level question...  If I know the SKU of a product/subscription, can I programmaticly sell it to a user?  I'm basically (maybe) writing my own very specialized shop.
03:57  * SDuensin needs to go find his Shop guide.
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04:06 <@preaction> SDuensin: you don't want the sku, you want the assetId. but you can probably use both, yes
04:10 < SDuensin> Ok, cool.  Just need to finish my data model and then figure out a non-insane workflow for users to go through.
04:10  * SDuensin is working on stepping up his hosting operation.
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05:06 <@preaction> perlDreamer: where is 7.6.35.2? i can't seem to find it in the bazaar because the bazaar is stupid
05:06 <@preaction> and our "cut corners to release as fast as possible" development strategy is causing me to want to murther people
05:08 <+perlDreamer> it's in sf.net
05:09 <@preaction> .2 isn't, not under community releases
05:10 <+perlDreamer> odd
05:10 <+perlDreamer> what corners are we cutting?
05:12 <@preaction> the bazaar is a pile of worthless crap?
05:12 <@preaction> TGC bothers me for an hour every day?
05:12 <@preaction> HelpDesk?
05:12 <@preaction> Automat!
05:13 <+perlDreamer> oh, those ones
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05:17 < elnino> out of curiousity, any one use nginx with webgui?
05:19 < elnino> never mind, perl module is experimental
05:20 <@Haarg> it could be used in place of mod_proxy
05:20 <@Haarg> but webgui is currently tied to mod_perl and Apache
05:23 <+perlDreamer> unless you use Plebgui
05:23 <+perlDreamer> which is patspam's experimental Plack middleware
05:27 < elnino> mm. yep, we've been talking about plebgui - that is so cool
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05:36 <@preaction> elnino: i'll be trying to replace mod_proxy with it tomorrow morning i hope.
05:36 <@preaction> did i ask patspam about plebgui yet?
05:37 < elnino> s/i/you?
05:37 <@preaction> no, i
05:37 < elnino> then I don't know. =)
05:37 <+perlDreamer> you did earlier today, boss
05:37 <+perlDreamer> he's blocking on some refactoring, remember?
05:37 <@preaction> it's hoped that plebgui is meged w/ wg8
05:37 <@preaction> oh right!
05:38 < elnino> preaction - are you trying out nginx because of me? or are you just happening to do it for fun for yourself?
05:38 <+perlDreamer> all of the above
05:38 <+perlDreamer> plus patspam
05:38 <+perlDreamer> plus reduced hosting costs
05:39 <@preaction> it's something we've wanted to try for a long time, due to extreme performance with load balancing
05:39 <+perlDreamer> I should probably try this on IE8
05:39 <+perlDreamer> grrr
05:39 < elnino> oh. ok. as long as it isn't for me. I just happened to look at it because I was looking at someone else's site that was having issues, and they were using nginx.
05:39 <+perlDreamer> and in webgui-7.7
05:39 <@preaction> unlike preforked apache (or even worker apache), nginx can do thousands and thousands of connections simultaneously
05:40 < elnino> yes, that is what made me interested in it.
05:40 < elnino> despite the website I was looking at. 
05:41 <@preaction> well, WebGUI still can't handle that many connections, but with one nginx box doing RR load-balancing between multiple WebGUI boxes, you can improve cost-efficiency
05:42 <+perlDreamer> so instead of two apache binaries, there would just be 1
05:42 <@preaction> yes
05:42 <@preaction> well, no
05:42 <+perlDreamer> so we don't need Plack at all, we'd still use mod_perl
05:42 <@preaction> there'd be Plack, running as FastCGI
05:43 <@preaction> or perhaps running under POE, or something else, whatever we can use to get the best performance
05:44 <+perlDreamer> preaction: can you please apply this, and test under Safari? http://gist.github.com/313076
05:45 <@preaction> master?
05:45 <+perlDreamer> yawp
05:46 <+perlDreamer> who wants to work on that crusty, old webgui-7.7 branch?
05:46 <@preaction> you?
05:48 <+perlDreamer> nope
05:48 <+perlDreamer> works in Opera 10
05:49 <@preaction> when i Edit Schema, it doesn't set "Date" for date columns, it sets "Text" instead
05:51 <+perlDreamer> what?
05:51 <@preaction> when I edit schema, the field type is always text, never the correct field type
05:52 <+perlDreamer> can you find out what the format variable is in the loop?
05:52 <+perlDreamer> if it's not "date", I'd like to know what it is
05:53 <+perlDreamer> and why
05:53 <+perlDreamer> and if you could fix it, that would be good, too
05:53 <+perlDreamer> wait
05:53 <+perlDreamer> are you sure you cleared the caches when you did that?
05:53 <+perlDreamer> and did a full pull of the earlier code, and restarted apache?
05:55 <@preaction> yes, i see the problem. line 458 starts the loop, but the "selected" value is never set
05:57 <+perlDreamer> odd that it works in FF and Opera
06:01 <+perlDreamer> daddy time, back in 30
06:19 < elnino> does pb have a content delivery network in place? or is that a marketing term for something that every legitamate hoster has?
06:23 <@preaction> pb does not have a CDN currently, no
06:24 < elnino> oh. I was told you did.  
06:24 <@preaction> it has a broad definition, but it usually means geographically diverse mirrors that are chosen by real-world distance to the end-user
06:25 <@preaction> we can set one up, but presently nobody has asked us for one
06:25 < elnino> sounds a bit complex. I take it software was writen to do such thing?
06:25 <@preaction> yes, more usual you choose a CDN provider like Amazon S3 or Akamai
06:27 < elnino> yes, a potential customer talked about those. And then you just install webgui on their servers and they mirror it everywhere?
06:27 <@preaction> no, webgui itself cannot be mirrored like that (dynamic content). the static content like uploads and extras can be though
06:27 <+perlDreamer> in IE6, you can't even add or delete columns
06:27 <@preaction> well, unless the uploads are protected, then they can't
06:27 < elnino> oh ok. that makes sense.
06:27 <+perlDreamer> this is useless
06:28 <@preaction> perlDreamer: eh, who cares about IE6?
06:28 < elnino> me.
06:28 < elnino> =)
06:28 <+perlDreamer> yeah, her
06:28 <@preaction> you shouldn't
06:28 < elnino> lol
06:28 < elnino> it's what I have.
06:28 < elnino> running win 2000.
06:28 <+perlDreamer> why don't you upgrade?
06:28 <@preaction> uh... perhaps a modern operating system?
06:28 < elnino> $
06:29 <+perlDreamer> yeah, like Windows XP
06:29 < elnino> it works great! why change?
06:29 < elnino> =)
06:29 <@preaction> or if you don't want to pay money to MS, a linux distro
06:29 <+perlDreamer> in wg8, we won't support IE6 any longer
06:29 <@preaction> or if you don't want the hassle, OS X
06:29 <@preaction> well...
06:29 <+perlDreamer> OS X is more expensive than MS
06:29 < elnino> we take pride in making old machines and os last a LONG time.
06:29 <@preaction> yes, but you can have modern OSes on old machines, with Leenux!
06:29 < elnino> I think this pc is older than 10 years.
06:30 <@preaction> i've got an OpenBSD system running on a P2-300Mhz. it's my firewall / router
06:30 < elnino> yeah yeah. I do have a laptop with xp, and another with vista
06:30 < elnino> I just like THIS machine better.
06:30 <@preaction> weird
06:31 < elnino> I DO have the latest/greatest firefox.
06:31 < elnino> does that count?
06:31 <+perlDreamer> not bad
06:31 <+perlDreamer> just delete the IE6 icon, and all will be forgiven
06:32 < elnino> =)  but FF3 is broke.  IE6 is all I have.  I suppose I can use opera or safari.
06:32 <+perlDreamer> FF3 is broke?
06:32 < elnino> I know I ask for a lot.
06:33 < elnino> webgui's editor in FF3 is broken. with $1 everywhere. I'm patiently waiting for my admin to put in the patch for me. for this particular client of mine.
06:35 <+perlDreamer> doesn't work in IE7, either
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06:41 <+perlDreamer> in IE7, the i18n doesn't work, and you can't delete columns
06:41 <+perlDreamer> but you can delete rows
06:42 <+perlDreamer> I think we should mark the DataTable beta
06:43 <@preaction> eh, i think nobody uses it, that's why nobody has reported the bugs
06:43 <+perlDreamer> yeah
06:43 <+perlDreamer> maybe we should remove it then
06:44 <@preaction> can't, we need it if we ever plan to move to yui rich editor
06:45 <+perlDreamer> we do?
06:45 <+perlDreamer> why?
06:46 <@preaction> because yui rich editor doesn't support tables
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06:50 <+perlDreamer> if you throttle down the memory on Vista enough, you can make IE8 take 5 minutes to load the WebGUI front page
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07:32 <@preaction> good job for me that i actually tested the code editor, i introduced another damn bug...
07:51 <@preaction> http://www.plainblack.com/pr/staff/blog/how-to-improve-performance-for-navigations <- yay!
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17:09 <+perlDreamer> bartjol: you're awesome
17:09 <+MrHairgrease> no he isn't!
17:09 <+MrHairgrease> =)
17:10 <+bartjol> what?
17:11 <+bartjol> od course
17:11 <+bartjol> why this time 
17:11 <+bartjol> some tinymce stuff i suspect
17:12 <+bartjol> well za germans where quicker
17:12 <+MrHairgrease> bart, where have you it over?!?!
17:15 <+bartjol> over the top
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17:18 < arjanw> users
17:18 <+MrHairgrease> arjan!
17:18 < arjanw> Martin! So good to see you, have you seen Doug around?
17:18 <+MrHairgrease> I sense you are about to complain about the code editor?
17:19 <+MrHairgrease> he's preaction
17:19 < arjanw> The force is strong in you senses.
17:20 < arjanw> Mr. Preaction, are you there? 
17:22 <+bartjol> he's always online, but it is a bit like jan klaassen, you have to call very loud with a group of small children, and then he comes eventually
17:23 < arjanw> Yeah, well, I've got one already, how many do i need?
17:23 <+MrHairgrease> which one? Rogier?
17:24 < arjanw> No, Rogier is a windows users. He doesn't know what IRC is.
17:26 < arjanw> He, Martin, I just noticed that in the stable demo, $1 is displayed instead of newlines. 
17:27 < arjanw> This is not only in snippets, but in templates as well.
17:27 <+MrHairgrease> not in my templates
17:27 < arjanw> And since the version after that doesn't save, hmmm
17:27 < arjanw> Not in your. 
17:27 <+MrHairgrease> but then again, that is 7.7 branch checout around 7.7.32
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17:27 <+MrHairgrease> which is oloder that most recent
17:28 < arjanw> ah. a checkout of which version or tag gives me that code-editor.js?
17:29 < arjanw> a, but demo.webgui.org is 7.7.32 as well!
17:29 <+bartjol> but there is a bug report about that
17:29 < arjanw> Ah, and does it give a workaround? 
17:29 <+bartjol> i'll look and give a link
17:30 <+bartjol> http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/11404
17:30 <+bartjol> http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/11322
17:30 <+bartjol> one of those 2 I believe
17:30 < arjanw> Martin, je weet dat ik jouw /etc/hosts file niet op mijn pc heb staan, toch? 
17:31 <+bartjol> gek
17:33 <+MrHairgrease> i do but the link i sent you is a fqdn
17:33 <+MrHairgrease> so you don't need my hostsfile
17:34 < arjanw> I'm sorry, but I think it's not. Try a dig. 
17:34 <+perlDreamer> arjanw: this has been fixed and will be released soon.  You can pull the file from git, it's newer with even more fixes
17:35 <+perlDreamer> and please tell Mr. Voogt that there are IRC clients for windows, so he need not be excluded due to a poor choice of operating system
17:35 <+perlDreamer> If Kathy can get on IRC, so can he.
17:36 < arjanw> He, colin. Latest in 7.7 branch? 
17:36 < arjanw> Because I've used a version I just checkout out of the head of 7.7 branch
17:37 < arjanw> B.t.w. The problem I had with that one is that it doesn't save, not the $1, that is fixed indeed
17:38 <+MrHairgrease> arjanw: we're both right. It's a fqdn, but you do need my host file (or our local dns server thingy)
17:38 < arjanw> Ah, that's very Dutch, we're both right.
17:39 <+perlDreamer> perhaps preaction hasn't done a push in the 7.7 branch yet
17:39 <+perlDreamer> I'll ask him when he shows up
17:39 < arjanw> Didn't our cabinet just drop out of office because they were all right?
17:39 <+perlDreamer> How does that work when there's no government?
17:39 <+perlDreamer> and, are you running for office?
17:39 <+MrHairgrease> no cabinets dropping in the oqapi office
17:40 < arjanw> Haha
17:40 <+MrHairgrease> perldreamer: step one, get your baseball bat
17:40 <+MrHairgrease> step 2: loot every shop there is
17:40 <+MrHairgrease> step 3: ?
17:40 <+MrHairgrease> step 4: profit!
17:40 < arjanw> Yeah, first they called our country unstable
17:40 <+MrHairgrease> arjan should be running for office!
17:40 < arjanw> That turned out to be an understatement
17:41 <+MrHairgrease> sure it's unstable, with al those drug out there
17:41 <+perlDreamer> If JT can run the US, surely Arjan can handle The Netherlands
17:41 <+perlDreamer> His platform can be Stability, Security and Open Source Software!
17:42 < arjanw> I'm not sure SS-0-SS is such a good party-name
17:42 < arjanw> We've got all that history, you know
17:42 <+MrHairgrease> it sounds a bit old fashioned
17:42 < arjanw> With Germany and so. 
17:42 < arjanw> That too
17:42 <+MrHairgrease> more a 30's or 40's thing
17:42 <+perlDreamer> S.O.S is short for Save Our Ship, from Morse code
17:43 <+perlDreamer> so it _could_ be quite apropriate
17:43 < arjanw> Yes, get back that VOC mentality, oh no! Save our ship!
17:43 <+MrHairgrease> hehe
17:44 <+bartjol> ah ye olde times
17:44 <+perlDreamer> time for me to get the children out of the house
17:44 <+perlDreamer> I tell them that it's time to take them to school
17:44 <+perlDreamer> but there are really other reasons
17:57 <+perlDreamer> bartjol, you're slower than the Germans, but still faster than the Spanish
17:57 <+perlDreamer> and you keep your translation in better shape anyway
17:58 <+bartjol> yeah, it's real muscular
18:00 <+perlDreamer> anyone know how to make something like this work
18:00 <+perlDreamer> select count(*) as revCount from assetData where revCount > 1 groupBy assetId limit 5;
18:01 <+perlDreamer> it doesn't like the revCount where clause
18:06 <+MrHairgrease> try having instead of where
18:07 <+MrHairgrease> select count(*) as revCount from assetData groupBy assetId having revCount > 1 limit 5;
18:07 <+MrHairgrease> I think you cannot ue aggregates in where clauses
18:07 <+MrHairgrease> however having is prolly much slower than a where clause
18:08 <+perlDreamer> speed is not an issue in this case
18:08 <+perlDreamer> it's for debug work
18:09 <+perlDreamer> it works, thanks MrHairgrease
18:09 <+MrHairgrease> np
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18:50 <+perlDreamer> dude, you're here like twice in two days?
18:50 <@rizen> it's an accident
18:50 <+MrHairgrease> accidents happen...
18:51 <@rizen> MrHairgrease...i will look over your charting thing...i just haven't had time since you sent the email
18:51 <@rizen> hopefully this weekend
18:51 <+MrHairgrease> no worries... Doug replied to me
18:51 <+MrHairgrease> and to be honest I haven't been extremely fast in devolping it anyway
18:56 <+patspam> g'morning
18:57 <+MrHairgrease> mornig
18:57 <+MrHairgrease> but also good bye!
18:57 <+MrHairgrease> gotta go
18:57 <+MrHairgrease> later guys!
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18:58 < SDuensin> Howdy.
19:04 < arjanw> exit
19:04 < arjanw> exit
19:04 < arjanw> exit
19:04 < arjanw> exitquit
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19:30 < CIA-58> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r3ff9576 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix DataForms with dates. - http://bit.ly/9kgT6A
19:31 <+perlDreamer> yay, one less bug
19:43 < CIA-58> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r370c4b7 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Account/Inbox.pm): Change invitations to use HTML instead of text. Fixes bug #11434. - http://bit.ly/cSGr7R
19:44 < CIA-58> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * raafbf01 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Account/Inbox.pm): Change invitations to use HTML instead of text. Fixes bug #11434. - http://bit.ly/cIopYC
19:50 < CIA-58> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rf761188 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Account/Inbox.pm): Queue invitations to be sent instead of sending them directly to avoid dropped emails due to SMTP problems. Fixes bug #11436. - http://bit.ly/cOmXWQ
19:50 < CIA-58> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r68ccc62 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Account/Inbox.pm): Queue invitations to be sent instead of sending them directly to avoid dropped emails due to SMTP problems. Fixes bug #11436. - http://bit.ly/ahkcLx
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19:55 <+perlDreamer> what are you doing for your new job, cap10morgan?
19:57 <+cap10morgan> perlDreamer: working in the DNC's Innovation Lab (Democratic National Committee)
19:57 <+perlDreamer> wow!  Sounds like a really cool job.
19:58 < CIA-58> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r189fbf3 / (4 files in 2 dirs): Route all emails through the mailQueue to prevent dropped emails. - http://bit.ly/aGMd6B
19:58 < CIA-58> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * ra217833 / (4 files in 2 dirs): Route all emails through the mailQueue to prevent dropped emails. - http://bit.ly/9fLZuq
19:59 < CIA-58> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rfbfe638 / lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/PayoutVendors.pm : More email queueing. - http://bit.ly/ba8nJU
20:09 < CIA-58> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r5934ba8 / (3 files in 2 dirs): onCompletePurchase should pull userId from the transaction, instead of the session, since the session could be owned by spectre and not the user. Fixes bug #11385 - http://bit.ly/90xhm9
20:10 < CIA-58> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * ra045794 / (3 files in 2 dirs): onCompletePurchase should pull userId from the transaction, instead of the session, since the session could be owned by spectre and not the user. Fixes bug #11385 - http://bit.ly/bGMZSo
20:14 < CIA-58> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r8b85984 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Account/Inbox.pm): Change user invitation emails to come from the sending site, instead of the user, since that can cause SPF problems. Fixes bug #11435. - http://bit.ly/aUMU2B
20:14 < CIA-58> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rabf4aec / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Account/Inbox.pm): Change user invitation emails to come from the sending site, instead of the user, since that can cause SPF problems. Fixes bug #11435. - http://bit.ly/aoguyy
20:44 <+perlDreamer> rizen: you need one of these: http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2010-02/24/hungarian-electric-car-splits-into-two-smaller-cars.aspx
20:44 <+perlDreamer> or maybe two, one for each foot
20:47 <@rizen> the nissan leaf is what i'm waiting for
20:48 <+perlDreamer> when's it due?
20:49 <+perlDreamer> well, whenever it is due, you're always welcome to come out to oregon to recharge it
20:55 <@rizen> it's due at the end of 2010 in oregon
20:55 <@rizen> unfortunately not until the end of 2011 for most of the country
20:59 < CIA-58> WebGUI: jt * r12448 /translations/Dutch/extras/tinymce-webgui/plugins/ (7 files in 4 dirs): installing real Dutch i18n for TinyMCE plugins
21:10 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, when you have some time I'd love to hear about how you build shunt packages
21:11 <@Haarg> the method i've used in the past doesn't account for the requirement that there be a master parent node.  not certain of the best way to handle that.
21:11 <@Haarg> basically, what i did was take each package, extract it, rename it based on asset ID, and copy those into a common directory in order of the versions
21:12 <@Haarg> then rename them back to using lineage and repackage it
21:13 <+perlDreamer> do you have a script for that, or do you just do it manually?
21:14 <@Haarg> a few different one liners
21:14 <@Haarg> didn't keep them
21:14 <+perlDreamer> it would be overkill to export the whole import node...
21:14 <@Haarg> yeah
21:14 <@Haarg> if we just added in the import node itself i think it would work
21:14 <+perlDreamer> yes
21:16 <+perlDreamer> I'll gin one up, and a shunt upgrade script too.
21:17 <@Haarg> the upgrade scripts i didn't really have anything for an automated process
21:18 <+perlDreamer> I was thinking of making lists of the subs, in order, in both branches and removing the common ones, leaving a list of those required for the upgrade
21:19 <@Haarg> that's basically what i did
21:26 <+perlDreamer> this works well:  for file in `find ../packages-7.8.{0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13} -name '*wgpkg' -print`; do tar zxf $file; done
21:26 <+perlDreamer> it unpacks the tar files in version order
21:26 <+perlDreamer> and the lineage causes them to overwrite previous versions
21:33 <@Haarg> lineages can change though
21:34 <@Haarg> i don't know if they have changed in that period, but it is certainly a possibility
21:35 <+perlDreamer> true
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21:47 <+perlDreamer> odd email
21:49 <@preaction> perlDreamer: please go through and look at the upgrade subs to make sure that there's no duplication of effort. 7.7 has one sub that does one thing, and then later another sub that un-does it
21:49 <@preaction> (the packing thing)
21:49 <+perlDreamer> right
21:49 <+perlDreamer> I'll pull that out
21:49 <@preaction> no, i mean that was in the 7.6-7.7 mergepoint
21:51 <+perlDreamer> I see, you mean, don't do that again
21:51 <@preaction> yesplz
21:53 <+perlDreamer> Haarg: http://gist.github.com/313777
21:54 <@preaction> nice
21:56 <+perlDreamer> maybe it should be a special wgd plugin
21:56 <+perlDreamer> but it still needs a root node to hold it all
22:00 <+perlDreamer> I think export package needs an option just to export 1 asset, with no children
22:00 <+perlDreamer> that should do the trick
22:00 <+perlDreamer> any objections from rizen, Haarg, preaction?
22:01 <@rizen> i always object
22:01 <@rizen> just to be contrary
22:01 <@preaction> mary mary
22:01 <+perlDreamer> You're on my mind?
22:01 <@preaction> i think we don't have time to go through the trouble
22:01 <@preaction> doesn't wgd do package-exports on things?
22:02 <+perlDreamer> yes, but it uses exportPackage, which exports all children
22:02 <+perlDreamer> we need a root node for a placeholder in the shunt package, so all the post processing happens correctly
22:02 <+perlDreamer> remember all the isDefault, isProtected, isPackage bugs from the 7.7 upgrade?
22:03 <@rizen> preaction is in charge of approving features for WebGUI, so I defer to him
22:04 <+perlDreamer> I'll make a tiny knockoff wgd plugin to just export 1 asset
22:04 <+perlDreamer> that way we don't have to touch the core
22:04 <@preaction> perlDreamer: can you fake it? it's just a json hash named by lineage
22:04 <+perlDreamer> wgd will need some tweaking for wg8 anyway
22:05 <+perlDreamer> yes, I can fake it
22:10 <@preaction> i know we'd all prefer a reusable, useful solution, but this happens only twice a year and who knows how it's going to work in WebGUI 8 (if we ever get around to replacing the upgrade system)
22:14 <+perlDreamer> I'll finish it up after a run, and picking up the kids
22:15 <+perlDreamer> rizen, I'll tell the kids you said hi, and asked about their livers
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22:25 <@Haarg> an alternate way to get the assetId would be
22:25 <@Haarg> perl -MJSON -e'local $/;print+decode_json(<>)->{properties}{assetId}' 000001000001000050.json 
22:26 <@Haarg> i suppose that would be more useful to say if he was still here
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23:13  * patspam has a new frontend performance improvement idea
23:14 <@preaction> i like it already!
23:14 <+patspam> woot!
23:14 <@preaction> but details!
23:14 <+patspam> oh right
23:15 <+patspam> for sites that have www.domain.com as a CNAME for domain.com, we should split resources (css, js) across both domains
23:16 <+patspam> people can already do it manually, but we could auto-detect for a lot of people
23:16 <@preaction> so this'd be a WRE thing
23:16 <+patspam> no - in the generated html
23:16 <@preaction> ohh
23:16 <+patspam> head tags
23:17 <+patspam> because browsers have limits on the number of simultaneous connections per domain
23:17 <@preaction> some sort of "round-robin sitename" config where webgui chooses which one to use for Extras and Uploads
23:17 <+patspam> yep, but it'd need to be deterministic (say, predictable hashing based on filename)
23:17 <+patspam> for caching
23:17 <@preaction> of course
23:18 <@preaction> barring implementation details sounds like a good idea
23:18 <+patspam> you could require the user to list out all their CNAMEs in the config file, or you could try to detect the most common www case
23:19 <@preaction> could also be used to implement CDNs, provided mirroring was set up (LBD or something)
23:22 <+patspam> http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/11438
23:34 < kimd> Lineage experts: How do I get the previous sibling (based on rank) of an asset?
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23:41 < kimd> I assume I do "$self->getLineage(["self","siblings"]);" first.
23:42 < kimd> Then I need to search for my own id and take the id before that in the list.
23:42 < kimd> Correct?
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00:03 < CIA-58> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r4ec34bb / docs/upgrades/packages-7.7.33-7.8.13/merged.wgpkg : Add merged package for shunt upgrade, 7.7.33 - 7.8.13 -
00:03 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, preaction: prototype merged package was just added to git
00:04 <+perlDreamer> kimd, check out the PrevNext macro in the Bazaar for lineage work
00:06 < kimd> Thanks, pearlDreamer!
00:09 < kimd> perlDreamer, are you sure it is called that way? It does not come up in the search.
00:09 <+perlDreamer> mmm, it's definitely a macro
00:09 <+perlDreamer> I don't recall the exact name
00:09 <+perlDreamer> but patspam uploaded it
00:09 <+perlDreamer> it's for navigation
00:10 < kimd> I will check again. Thanks.
00:12 <+perlDreamer> kimd: http://www.webgui.org/bazaar/prevnext-macro-navigation-buttons
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00:15 < kimd> Got it. Let's see if the information I am seeking for is there.
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00:24 <+perlDreamer> I checked the merged package shell script into the tools git repo
00:36 <+perlDreamer> preaction, for sanity's sake, I also put a copy of 7.6.35.2 into SourceForge
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00:57 < kimd> perlDreamer, it's working! I am almost there.
00:57 <+perlDreamer> awesome kimd
00:57 < kimd> Some more polishing and drag'n'drop sorting for the gallery is ready.
00:57 <@preaction> perlDreamer: did you want some testing of the 7.7-7.8 upgrade path?
00:57 < kimd> YUI is really great.
00:58 <+perlDreamer> are you going to add that to the bazaar, as a custom template?
00:58 < kimd> But I have no idea what I am doing.
00:58 <@preaction> kimd: just in time for the 7.9 branch so we can put it into core
00:58 <+perlDreamer> and you think we do?
00:58 < kimd> That is the plan.
00:58 <+perlDreamer> totally
00:58 <+perlDreamer> skip the Bazaar, and just submit it as an rfe with the template package
00:58 < kimd> However, a lot more work to do.
00:58 < kimd> The RFE is already there.
00:59 < kimd> I submitted it myself.
00:59 <@preaction> ah, one less step then ;-)
00:59 <+perlDreamer> preaction, I haven't built the shunt upgrade script yet, just have a peek at the package for now :)
00:59 < kimd> I am going to upload after some more testing.
01:00 <+perlDreamer> kimd, do you know bernd?
01:00 <@preaction> perlDreamer: i'll wait. but it might be a good idea for you to grab one or two of our hosted sites and test upgrade them on your home system (i'd say cmsmatrix for one)
01:00 <+perlDreamer> okey-doke
01:00 <+perlDreamer> I'm finished with the upgrade, so I can go back to building the upgrade script
01:01 < kimd> perlDreamer, I am Bernd.
01:02 < kimd> kimd is my new nick.
01:02 <@preaction> heh, kristi was wondering about that
01:02 < kimd> It is "Kletter in MD", which refers to our site.
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01:02 < kimd> I thought you ware aware of that.
01:03 < kimd> Sorry for the hide-and-seek,
01:03 <@preaction> nope, but i'm rather thick-headed when it comes to names and such
01:04 < kimd> Ok. I am heading for my bed. Just passed midnight over here.
01:04 < kimd> Good night, everyone!
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01:10 <@rizen> man, i find one little bug in MooseX::Types and the #moose channel lights on fire
01:10 <+perlDreamer> you're just a bull in a china shop
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01:27 <+perlDreamer> what's the bug rizen?
01:27 <@rizen> if you use a subtype before you declare it then coercions fail
01:27 <@rizen> in most cases that's not a big deal
01:28 <@rizen> however, if you're doing recursive data structure coercion, it's big
01:28 <+perlDreamer> especially not if it fails loudly
01:28 <@rizen> it doesn't fail loudly
01:28 <@rizen> coercion returns undef
01:28 <@rizen> seems like it should at least die
01:28 <@rizen> but that's not the way it's implemented
01:29 <+perlDreamer> are the folks in #moose nice?
01:29 <@rizen> very
01:29 <+perlDreamer> cool
01:29 <+perlDreamer> I'm probably going to need some Role help
01:29 <@rizen> knowledgeable and helpful as well.
01:29 <@rizen> if i can help let me know...i've developed a few 
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02:20 <+perlDreamer> hey, sarah
02:24 < CIA-58> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rf3fce72 / docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.33-7.8.13.pl : first cut at merged upgrade script from 7.7.33 to 7.8.13 - http://bit.ly/a5Njwx
02:24 < CIA-58> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rae486fd / docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.33-7.8.13.pl : Add a missing module use line. - http://bit.ly/akFMl9
02:24 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, preaction: merged upgrade script on the way
02:24 < CIA-58> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r25aad27 / docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.33-7.8.13.pl : Add the missing EMS submission table adds. - http://bit.ly/cUYBDu
02:24 <+perlDreamer> I found some bugs in this one, so it's worthy of close inspection
02:25 <+perlDreamer> however, a default install upgrade runs clean
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06:30 <+patspam> still getting used to how much people use cheques here
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08:17 <+perlDreamer> containerURLs for search in a CS are completely broken
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08:31 <@preaction> yes, they are
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16:34 < SDuensin> Greetings.
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16:39 <+bartjol> morning
16:42 <+MrHairgrease> howdy
16:46 < SDuensin> MySQL Workbench FTW.
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17:44 <+perlDreamer> gotta take kids to school, bbiab
17:56 <+perlDreamer> phew
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20:34 <+patspam> I hate that point in the day when you realise that you can't make your work disappear by reading rss feeds
20:36 <+perlDreamer> If only if only
20:36 <+perlDreamer> The woodpecker cries
20:36 <+perlDreamer> The trees in the forest
20:36 <+perlDreamer> were as soft as the sky
20:36 <+perlDreamer> -- Holes, by Louis Sachar
20:37 <+perlDreamer> great book
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20:40 < CIA-58> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r744c56a / (7 files in 6 dirs): Fix Search results for Threads when useContainers=1 - http://bit.ly/dpvP3r
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20:41 <+patspam> have you been reading that to your kiddies?
20:42 <+patspam> heh gotta love a protagonist whose name is a palindrome
20:42 <+perlDreamer> Yeah, it was great fun.
20:42 <+perlDreamer> I wish I did accents better
20:42 <+perlDreamer> and the movie is good, too
20:47 < doc777> Hello friends. I have a cgi trouble ticket system that I need to pass through webgui ( using the wre ).  I found something in the wiki on this but it talks about the apache site config file.  Which I have a modproxy and a modperl, both with virtual hosts containers.  Which is the correct file to edit?  :o)
20:48 <@preaction> doc777: you can edit either, but i would do the modproxy one
20:48 < doc777> Thank you!
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21:15 <+perlDreamer> if I do a merge in git, and I want to drop some changes that are conflicting, how do I do that?
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23:30 <+perlDreamer> nothing like unpacking 3 Gb of data to pass the afternoon...
23:40 < CIA-58> webgui: Doug Bell master * rb86785f / www/extras/yui-webgui/build/code-editor/code-editor.js : fixed saving code editor without toggling - http://bit.ly/c0F3hF
23:41 < CIA-58> webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.7 * re0f87db / www/extras/yui-webgui/build/code-editor/code-editor.js : fixed saving code editor without toggling - http://bit.ly/cXEqZt
23:41 <@preaction> yay!
23:42 <+perlDreamer> dude!
23:42 <+perlDreamer> that's great!
23:42 <+perlDreamer> how did you do it?
23:43 <@preaction> i broke it, so i knew how to fix it
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23:51 < kimd> Hello everyone!
23:51 <+perlDreamer> yo, kimd
--- Day changed Fri Feb 26 2010
00:14 < kimd> preaction, want to test the drag'n'drop sorting?
00:14 < kimd> Or maybe perlDreamer?
00:27 < kimd> Obviously not today. Going to sleep. Good night everyone!
00:27 <@preaction> kimd: attach patch to rfe
00:28 < kimd> The patch is not ready. I made some fundamental changes to the template.
00:28 < kimd> I think you should check first.
00:28 < kimd> I have prepared a live demo.
00:29 < kimd> The link is http://www.klettern-md.de/test/
00:29 < kimd> Open the visitor's album and edit.
00:29 < kimd> Then you will see what I mean.
00:31 < kimd> Doesn't have to be now. I am going to ask you again tomorrow. Alternatively, contact me via mail.
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05:03 <+perlDreamer> preaction: I found the bug
05:04 <+perlDreamer> it's in concert with redirectAfterLoginUrl
05:05 <+perlDreamer> redirectAfterLoginUrl takes precedence over redirectAfterLogin, but it doesn't clear the scratch variable.
05:07 < CIA-58> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r20ad246 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Auth.pm): Clean up the scratch variable redirectAfterLogin, even if redirectAfterLoginUrl from settings is used. Fixes bug #11439. - http://bit.ly/asMAKe
05:07 < CIA-58> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r30f8987 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Auth.pm): Clean up the scratch variable redirectAfterLogin, even if redirectAfterLoginUrl from settings is used. Fixes bug #11439. - http://bit.ly/de6d4L
05:09 <+perlDreamer> okay, it's release time!
05:13 <@preaction> yay!
05:14 <@preaction> perlDreamer: the upgrade from 7.7 to 7.8 is from the 7.7 we're releasing tonight right?
05:14 <@preaction> wait
05:14 <@preaction> are you sure you want to start this now? you could just do it tomorrow
05:16 <+perlDreamer> we never upgrade on Friday
05:16 <+perlDreamer> and it will only take an extra hour
05:16 <+perlDreamer> and I'm starting early anyway
05:17 <@preaction> it's 7pm, and that's early?
05:17 <+perlDreamer> totally
05:17 <@preaction> er... kay
05:17 <+perlDreamer> normally I don't start until 8pm
05:17 <+perlDreamer> 7.7 releases are 60-90 minutes
05:17 <+perlDreamer> 7.8 releases are 2 hours
05:17 <+perlDreamer> recently, they've been much faster
05:17 <@preaction> oh, more upgrades, i c
05:18 <+perlDreamer> but if you want to help...
05:18 <+perlDreamer> hosting customers need to be notified
05:18 <+perlDreamer> and we need to branch for 7.9
05:18 <+perlDreamer> we are doing them _all_ tonight, right?
05:26 <@preaction> i can handle the branching, and we can notify people tomorrow or monday, doesn't matter really
05:26 <+perlDreamer> you da man
05:29 < CIA-58> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * raf9c5ab / docs/create.sql : Preparing for 7.7.33 release. - http://bit.ly/99lPqx
05:43 <+perlDreamer> 7.7.33 is out
05:43 <@preaction> woot!
05:44 < CIA-58> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rf723f79 / docs/create.sql : Preparing for 7.8.13 release - http://bit.ly/dex2ya
06:06 <+perlDreamer> preaction: 7.8.13 is stable, not beta, correct?
06:06 <@preaction> let me check the bug list quick
06:11 <@preaction> perlDreamer: yes
06:11 <@preaction> the upgrade path is 7.7.33 to 7.8.13 correct?
06:13 <+perlDreamer> yes
06:14 <@preaction> yay!
06:15 < CIA-58> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rd59dbd5 / lib/WebGUI.pm : 7.8.13 is stable. - http://bit.ly/9QaHf4
06:33 <@preaction> 7.8 stable is branched off
06:34 < CIA-58> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r7648b12 / lib/WebGUI/Auth.pm : Remove bad variable instanciation. - http://bit.ly/aiW2Qb
06:34 < CIA-58> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r20ad246 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Auth.pm): Clean up the scratch variable redirectAfterLogin, even if redirectAfterLoginUrl from settings is used. Fixes bug #11439. - http://bit.ly/asMAKe
06:34 < CIA-58> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * rf723f79 / docs/create.sql : Preparing for 7.8.13 release - http://bit.ly/dex2ya
06:34 < CIA-58> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * rd59dbd5 / lib/WebGUI.pm : 7.8.13 is stable. - http://bit.ly/9QaHf4
06:34 <@preaction> ... and merged since i forgot crap...
06:38 < CIA-58> webgui: Doug Bell master * ra8e7ec0 / (3 files in 3 dirs): preparing for 7.9.0 dev - http://bit.ly/araHp8
06:39 <@preaction> perlDreamer: uh... did you finish the 7.8 release before I did what I just did?
06:39 <+perlDreamer> nope
06:39 <@preaction> yay!
06:39 <+perlDreamer> that's the note that says:
06:40 <+perlDreamer> 08:34:45 PM) CIA-58: webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * rd59dbd5 5 files in 5 dirs: Ready for 7.8.14 development
06:40 <@preaction> i don't see that note
06:40 <+perlDreamer> that's because it hasn't happened yet
06:40 <+perlDreamer> :)
06:41 <@preaction> so is that the only thing you have to do? prepare for 7.8.14?
06:41 <@preaction> you put the 7.8.13 create.sql and such in?
06:41 <+perlDreamer> yes, that goes in at the release of 7.8.13
06:41 <@preaction> okay, so i did it right, just making sure
06:42 <+perlDreamer> mmm, I think it would have been better to wait until I made the 7.8.14 release
06:43 <@preaction> why?
06:43 <@preaction> you can go from 7.7.33 -> 7.8.13 -> 7.9.0
06:43 <+perlDreamer> because, I'll need to pull a copy of the 7.8 branch in order to upgrade it to 7.8.14
06:44 <+perlDreamer> but that's also very nit picky
06:44 <+perlDreamer> I'll adapt
06:44 <@preaction> ah
06:44 <@preaction> i could just toss it in quick
06:44 <@preaction> which i'll do
06:45 <+perlDreamer> okely-dokely, neighborino
06:45 < CIA-58> webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.8 * rcb14909 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Ready for 7.8.14 dev - http://bit.ly/csWpn9
06:45 <@preaction> but you might want to verify i did everything right. i haven't done a release for 3 years
06:46 <@preaction> (7.3.0 i think)
06:49  * perlDreamer will check
06:49 <+perlDreamer> did you use the wiki notes?
06:49 <+perlDreamer> oh
06:49 <+perlDreamer> no
06:49 <+perlDreamer> the tag
06:49 <@preaction> what tag?
06:49 <@preaction> oh that tag
06:49 <+perlDreamer> yup, that one
06:50 <@preaction> you should be able to tag the old revision from the 7.8 branch
06:50 <+perlDreamer> yes
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07:02 <+perlDreamer> we need Haarg to double check all this tomorrow
07:02 <+perlDreamer> I __think__ it's all right
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07:08 <+perlDreamer> we did a really bad job with gotchas this time
07:09 <+perlDreamer> none of the new features are in the gotchas
07:09 <+perlDreamer> of course, I guess they aren't normally, are they?
07:09 <@preaction> nope
07:09 <@preaction> just the things that cause site problems
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07:18 <+perlDreamer> okay, we're done
07:18 <+perlDreamer> 7.7.33, 7.8.14 and 7.9.0 are all ready
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07:29 <+Radix_> ooh.. 7.8.13 stable now.. nice work
07:30 <@preaction> i really hope WebGUI 8 reduces our bug rate...
07:30 <+Radix_> someone else needs to update topic now btw.. I don't have permissions anymore as channel is +t I think
07:31 <@preaction> who did +t...
07:31 -!- mode/#webgui [-t] by preaction
07:31 <@preaction> should be good now, Radix_ 
07:31 -!- Radix_ changed the topic of #webgui to: [7.7.33-stable | 7.8.13-stable | WRE 0.9.3] Before you ask, check the wiki: http://wiki.webgui.org | Pastebin: http://webgui.pastebin.com
07:31 <@preaction> word
07:31 <@preaction> thanks
07:32 <+Radix_> ;)
07:32 <+Radix_> lol.. I'm still using 7.0.8 at work.. but hey
07:32 <@preaction> heh
07:32 <@preaction> it's an entirely different beast now!
07:33 <+Radix_> I should have a play with the new versions again.. so little time these days
07:33 <+Radix_> I've been moved away from networking/web stuff and been assigned the role of project manager now
07:34 <+Radix_> networking/web is still my purview though, but I get little time to actually do anything so might as well be noone managing it
08:01 <+perlDreamer> you youngin's stay up and chat longer
08:01 <+perlDreamer> we old folk are going to bed
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16:31 < SDuensin_> Whoa.  Back in XChat Aqua today.  Very weird feeling.
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16:50 < doc777> Hello friends. When using WebGUI from source I wrote some macros using $ENV{'REMOTE_ADDR'}; to get the remote ip address.  Now that we have migrated over to the wre this now faithfully returns 127.0.0.1. I guess because of the proxy...  
16:50 < doc777> How is a better way to get the remote IP?
17:04 <+bartjol> well, i think there are some rewrite rules in the modproxy conf
17:06 <+bartjol> what remote address do you use?
17:08 < doc777> well basically the macro logs who downloads what. With the new wre install all remote addresses show as 127.0.0.1
17:08 < doc777> I would just like to know if 98.x.x.x downloaded bla bla  :o)
17:09 <+bartjol> ah, like that
17:09 <+bartjol> so perl looks who asks and finds modproxy or something...
17:09 < doc777> yep
17:10 < doc777> There is probably a session variable for this but I am not having any luck finding it.
17:10 <+bartjol> well, it is stored in the site access log
17:11 <+bartjol> the IP
17:12 <+bartjol> do you still have your old configs? because in the end that was what happened before your switch to the wre
17:12 < doc777> Yea, I still have the entire server :)
17:12 <+bartjol> well compare your old and new modproxy files
17:12 <+bartjol> suppose you did that..
17:13 < doc777> Well, the old used WebGUI from source.  The new uses the wre....
17:13 < doc777> The wre adds modproxy which is where the macros broke 
17:14 < doc777> I am sure this is simple, but yet beyond me at the moment :o)
17:14 <+bartjol> mmm, there might be something in the session api
17:15 <+bartjol> you can get the request as an object
17:15 < doc777> When a user clicks a download the macro grabs  $session->user->username; finds the download and gives them a link. It "used" to log the remote IP with $ENV{'REMOTE_ADDR'};  So now I just need WebGUI's method of getting the remote ip address :o)
17:16 <+bartjol> my $apacheRequest =  $session->request;
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17:19 <+bartjol> and now the question of how to extract that ip from that (if possible)
17:20 < doc777> *testing to see what that outputs*
17:20 <+bartjol> Session/ErrorHandler.pm:Returns true if the the user's IP address matches the requested IP setting.
17:21 <+bartjol> so the users Ip is somewhere there
17:22 <+bartjol> doc777: $self->session->env->getIp
17:22 < doc777> Aha! Thank ya! Will test that out.
17:23 <+bartjol> which in code in Env.pm is:
17:23 <+bartjol> sub getIp {
17:23 <+bartjol>         my $self = shift;
17:23 <+bartjol>         if ($self->get("HTTP_X_FORWARDED_FOR") =~ m/(\d+\.\d+\.\d+\.\d+)/) {
17:23 <+bartjol>                 return $1;
17:23 <+bartjol>         }
17:23 <+bartjol>         return $self->get("REMOTE_ADDR");
17:24 <+bartjol> but test it, it may give the same results
17:27 < doc777> Thank you bart:  my $ip =$session->env->getIp;   works great  :o)
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17:29 <+bartjol> np, you just have to know where to look
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17:30 <+bartjol> and grepping through code :)
17:30 <+bartjol> but
17:30 <+bartjol> what kind of macro is that, I know some people that might want something similar
17:30 <+bartjol> is that on the bazaar?
17:32 < doc777> No its just something I hacked together to keep bots from downloading demo files and wasting bandwidth
17:33 <+bartjol> well stuff that's hacked together is the best stuff :)
17:33 < doc777> The files are stored in a data dir outside the webroot. When a user clicks download it grabs the file, creates a random dir, logs who and when and generates them a link to it.  Then later a cron job removes the file.
17:34 <+bartjol> cool
17:34 <+bartjol> not the easiest file management
17:35 < doc777> a small site and a small mind  :o)
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17:59 <+perlDreamer> nice bug catches, bartjol
18:00 <+bartjol> yeah, I already found some more details
18:00 <+bartjol> in asset/Richedit there's  my $language  = $i18n->getLanguage($self->session->user->profileField("language"),"languageAbbreviation");
18:00 <+bartjol> so it's wrong there
18:02 <+perlDreamer> given that it worked everywhere else, that make sense
18:02 <+perlDreamer> how about if you fix it, test it by hand, then post it as a patch to the bug
18:02 <+perlDreamer> and I'll give you karma and hearty accolades?
18:03 <+bartjol> doing that
18:03 <+bartjol> only just found it 
18:05 <+perlDreamer> What causes a 502 Proxy Error?
18:09 < CIA-58> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r8076522 / docs/previousVersion.sql : Updating previousVersion.sql - http://bit.ly/bVDHsf
18:09 <+perlDreamer> bartjol, why do you say that there's no PickLanguage template?
18:10 <+bartjol> because it can't instantiate it
18:10 <+perlDreamer> it's in the db...
18:10 <+perlDreamer> hm
18:10 <+bartjol> I can't find it in the db
18:10 <+bartjol> did you wordt from 7.7 to 7.8?
18:10 <+perlDreamer> yup
18:10 <+bartjol> that's crucial
18:10 <+bartjol> mmm
18:11 <+perlDreamer> assetId: _aE16Rr1-bXBf8SIaLZjCg
18:11 <+bartjol> yup
18:11 <+bartjol> strange, that german
18:11 <+bartjol> I can't find the assetId in the db
18:12 <+perlDreamer> is this a new site, or an upgrade?
18:12 <+bartjol> upgrade, initial 7.6 or 7.7-ish
18:13 <+bartjol> and I use it to hack it a bit
18:13 <+perlDreamer> you're sure the upgrade ran clean?
18:13 <+perlDreamer> on a new default site, it's there
18:13 <+bartjol> quite sure'
18:13 <+perlDreamer> I'll try an upgrade next
18:14 <+bartjol> well, it has to be imported in the upgrades/packages-7.7.33-7.8.13/* files
18:14 <+bartjol> I can't read that
18:14 <+bartjol> in vim
18:14 <+perlDreamer> sure you can
18:14 <+perlDreamer> tar zxf merged.wgpkg
18:14 <@Haarg> hmm.  anyone have perl 5.8 around to test WebGUI on?
18:14 <+bartjol> ah
18:14 <+perlDreamer> only in the WRE, Haarg
18:15 <+perlDreamer> what do you need, and which version?
18:15 <+bartjol> eeh, i'm on wre 9.9.4....
18:15 <+bartjol> 0.9.4
18:15 <@Haarg> want to put in my 5.10 macro parser
18:15 <@Haarg> and need to verify it still works on 5.8
18:15 <+perlDreamer> 9.9.4 will be written by SynQ's great great grandson
18:15 <+bartjol> or mine
18:15 <+perlDreamer> I can do that.  I'll do it after I track down the Mystery of the Missing Template
18:15 <@Haarg> ok, i'll commit it.
18:15 <+perlDreamer> bartjol, to have a great great grandson, first you need a son...
18:16 <+perlDreamer> I'll send you a catalog so you can order one
18:16 <+bartjol> mmm, ca't a skip a level?
18:16 <+perlDreamer> nope, it's more strict than assetLineage
18:16 <+bartjol> mmm, looking for cheatcodes
18:17 < CIA-58> webgui: Graham Knop master * r1c27279 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Macro.pm): optimized macro parser for perl 5.10 - http://bit.ly/bvanEz
18:18 <+perlDreamer> oh great
18:18 <+perlDreamer> I bunged up the merged package install
18:18 <+perlDreamer> Now I have to give back the company car and I lose my primo parking slot
18:19 <+bartjol> mmm, I got the standard tinymce stuff working
18:19 <+bartjol> only not the wg bits
18:19 <+perlDreamer> wg bits?
18:19 <+bartjol> wgmacro wgspeelchecker etc
18:20 <+perlDreamer> but it still works if you set the profile language
18:21 <+bartjol> I should check that
18:21 <+perlDreamer> I think I know what's causing the long term spectre bug.
18:22 <+bartjol> ooh that would be cool
18:22 <+perlDreamer> See faxioman's very new spectre bug
18:22 <+perlDreamer> he says it happens right after a 502 Proxy error
18:22 <+perlDreamer> which means that Spectre may not be handling that correctly
18:23 <+perlDreamer> I only wish it was easier to make it happen
18:24 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, do you think it's safe to yank the new 7.8.13 and put out 7.8.14?
18:24 <@Haarg> should be fine
18:24 < doc777> Simple question:  Take a java slide show that works great in a plain html page -  How you do make that work in a webgui article?
18:25 <+bartjol> ah the simple questions
18:25 <+perlDreamer> doc777, why couldn't you do whatever you do in the plain HTML page and do it in an article?
18:26 <+perlDreamer> WebGUI is really just serving up HTML, with a lot of help
18:26 <+bartjol> but I find that only  the wginsertimagebutton works in the profile language (when it's dutch)
18:29 < doc777> Well, the same code in an apache served html page works but when inserted into a webgui article it fails. It probably has to be loaded into the header but that does not seem to work for the article header. So maybe the page template?
18:33 <+bartjol> perldreamer, I posted my 2 lines of code in the bug, but it still is broken
18:33 <+perlDreamer> eh, if it's still broken, we should hold off
18:33 <+bartjol> but I have a dinner appointment at my parents
18:33 <+bartjol> in an hour
18:33 <+perlDreamer> dinner >> bug fixing
18:34 <+perlDreamer> dinner >> remodeling >> bug fixing
18:34 <+bartjol> yeah, if you don't eat you die, some wise man said
18:34 <+bartjol> (Joeri)
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18:37 < doc777> It seems to be when we add <body onload="preloadImages();"> in the html webgui deletes it.  Which leaves me to believe it must go somewhere else  :o)
18:38 <@preaction> http proxy?
18:38 <+perlDreamer> yes, it needs a small JavaScript event handler
18:38 < doc777> We are using the wre...
18:38 <@preaction> http proxy asset removes all stuff that would cause it to not work as part of a larger page
18:38 <@preaction> you can't put a body tag in an article
18:39 <@preaction> you need to use something like "body.onload = function () {...}"
18:39 < doc777> I know it is probably a simple thing to even ask but I could not find an example in the wiki.
18:39 <@preaction> or better, use YUI's Event system
18:39 <+perlDreamer> doc777, that's because it's outside of WebGUI
18:39 <+perlDreamer> we don't help people make HTML
18:39 <@preaction> YAHOO.util.Event.onDOMReady( function () { ... } );
18:41 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, I lied, I don't have a WRE old enough to test 5.8
18:41 <@Haarg> can you see any problem with wgd test always using -r when calling prove?
18:41 <@Haarg> damn.  guess i'll have to build a vm.
18:41 <+perlDreamer> if wgd test is ever supposed to be used to run 1 test, then it's a problem for wgd to do that
18:42 <@Haarg> if you just give it one test -r won't do anything
18:42 <@Haarg> it will only effect when you pass it directories
18:43 <+perlDreamer> cool
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18:54 <+perlDreamer> whoa
18:54 <+perlDreamer> somebody updated the Russian translation
18:54 <+perlDreamer> very cool
18:54 <+perlDreamer> Could we soon be seeing a 4th language join the esteemed ranks of The Translated?
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19:07 <@Haarg> perlDreamer, with WebGUI::Paths, do you think it should automatically include preload.custom if you do 'use WebGUI::Paths;'?  right now i have it as an extra option to have it do that.
19:08 <+perlDreamer> I would expect it to be automatic
19:08 <+perlDreamer> that way I could use it in upgrade script
19:08 <+perlDreamer> utility scripts
19:08 <+perlDreamer> and maybe even in tests (except for loading the test library)
19:08 <@Haarg> right now i have it as 'use WebGUI::Paths -inc;' to get it to preload.
19:09 <@Haarg> well, not preload
19:09 <@Haarg> but to include the preload paths in @INC
19:11 <+perlDreamer> I guess we'd never need it in most core scripts
19:12 <+perlDreamer> so perhaps having -inc as a deliniator between custom and core is good
19:12 <@Haarg> well, all the sbin scripts need to use it
19:12 <+perlDreamer> then I'd make it a default
19:12 <@Haarg> for any modules that are using it though i'm not sure if it makes sense.
19:13 <+perlDreamer> preaction: the script is done.
19:13 <@preaction> kk
19:13 <+perlDreamer> I'll put it in the Bazaar, and make an annoucement in the Downloads area about it
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19:20 <+perlDreamer> all done
19:32 < CIA-58> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r1ef1633 / (3 files in 2 dirs): Fix installing the merged package from 7.7.33 to 7.8.13. Fixes bug #11442. - http://bit.ly/aJzZtE
19:32 < CIA-58> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r8b9546a / docs/upgrades/_upgrade.skeleton : Print out which package files are being upgraded. - http://bit.ly/arDSaF
19:32 < CIA-58> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r1ac7245 / docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.8.13-7.8.14.pl : Fix merged package upgrade. - http://bit.ly/dmyhnU
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19:35 < CIA-58> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * refa1d55 / docs/upgrades/_upgrade.skeleton : Print out which package files are being upgraded. - http://bit.ly/9o64Z9
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20:54 <@rizen> perlDreamer you shouldn't need to "use WebGUI::Definition::Asset;" in the roles
20:54 <+perlDreamer> no?
20:54 <@rizen> just like you don't use Moose
20:54 <@rizen> in them
20:54 <@rizen> roles are basically mixed in to the objects which use them
20:54 <@rizen> they aren't objects themselves
20:55 <@rizen> so you just add the functionality that it's supposed to support
20:55 <@rizen> and then include it in the base class with the 'with' directive
20:55 <@rizen> and it will automatically have all the other sugar
20:55 <@rizen> because it becomes part of the base class
20:55 <@rizen> do you get me?
20:56 <+perlDreamer> I understand what you're saying
20:56 <@Haarg> the reason we need to have use WebGUI::Definition::Asset or similar in the roles is to get the 'property' and 'define' subs
20:56 <+perlDreamer> but the RssFeed aspect complains about the sugar syntax
20:57 <@rizen> is it because you're trying to load the class without it being attached to a real object?
20:58 <+perlDreamer> it's because I'm using methods that don't exist (property, and define)
20:58 <@rizen> they will exist though
20:58 <+perlDreamer> I tried it in the CS, and it doesn't like it
20:58 <+perlDreamer> I think we need a custom Role meta class that provides the sugar
20:59 <+perlDreamer> but I don't want to copy and paste the code around, otherwise we'll have to maintain it everywhere
20:59 <@Haarg> so there are two basic options.  remove Moose from also in WebGUI::Definition, which means the classes will also have to use Moose themselves
20:59 <@rizen> in that case i don't know how to help you. the C3 based aspects would have worked that way, and the few roles i have created haven't had any custom metaclass stuff
21:00 <@Haarg> or create a separate class that is the same as WebGUI::Definition::Asset but has also => 'Moose::Role'
21:00 <@rizen> Haarg, can metaclasses have roles?
21:00 <@Haarg> yes
21:00 <@rizen> so if you break out those two sugar methods into a role
21:00 <+perlDreamer> WebGUI::Definition uses WebGUI::Definition::Role::Object
21:00 <@rizen> and then use them in WebGUI::Definition::Asset and the role for aspects
21:00 <@rizen> would that work?
21:00 <@rizen> so you don't have to maintain the code in two places
21:00 <@Haarg> right now there are some things in WebGUI::Definition::* that should be roles that aren't.
21:01 <@Haarg> if we want to add use Moose to all of our classes then we don't even need a separate class for the aspects
21:01 <@rizen> i don't see why that's a big problem
21:01 <@rizen> it's only one line of code
21:01 <@rizen> if it makes all this easier
21:02 <@rizen> seems like a no brainer to me
21:02 <@Haarg> yeah, it seems like a more straightforward way to go
21:02 <@rizen> have you consulted with preaction?
21:02 <@rizen> i don't want to step on his authority regarding webgui stuff
21:03 <@Haarg> the actual duplication if we had additional WebGUI::Definition includes for roles would be minimal, but i think it makes more sense to just have the one class.
21:03 <@rizen> sorry i couldn't be more helpful...i'm only now just starting to do custom metaclass stuff for a few objects
21:04 <@rizen> ok well i'll leave you to it then...gotta get back to SimpleDB::Class
21:04 <@Haarg> preaction, perlDreamer do you see any problem with that?  removing the automatic inclusion of Moose and requiring each class to include it themselves?
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21:09 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, I tried quickly, and removing use Moose from W::D didn't help either
21:09 <@preaction> Haarg: i see no issue. might be better in fact (explicitly points the user to where they need to go)
21:09 <+perlDreamer> I need to run some errands, and I'll look at it in more detail later today
21:10 <@Haarg> well, there may be other things to fix
21:10 <+perlDreamer> unless y'all figure it out first
21:10 <@Haarg> but that is a first step
21:10 <@Haarg> what was the error you got?
21:10 <+perlDreamer> I'll commit it so y'all can see
21:11 < CIA-58> webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * rdd63819 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Attempt #1 to get Roles working with Definition sugar. - http://bit.ly/cBOGFG
21:12 <@Haarg> have either of you looked at merging master into WebGUI8 yet?  and will you have any time soon to do so?  i want to start on that but there is a lot to go through.
21:12 <@preaction> hahahahahhaha
21:12 <@preaction> not sure how that's gonna go
21:13 <@Haarg> there were a lot of conflicts but i didn't really look at how difficult they were
21:14 <+perlDreamer> I would do it version by version
21:14 <@Haarg> i have most of my WebGUI::Paths changes done but i need to work on the WebGUI::Test part
21:14 <+perlDreamer> and resolve along the way
21:14 <+perlDreamer> merging in 16 weeks of work all at once is not wise
21:14 <@Haarg> and WebGUI8's WebGUI::Test is very old
21:14 <+perlDreamer> but that we can replace wholesale
21:14 <+perlDreamer> it's the WebGUI:: classes that will kill us
21:15 <@Haarg> yeah, that one itself is an easy merge.  but i need that before i can proceed.
21:15 <+perlDreamer> anyway, gotta scoot, be back in 40 minutes or so
21:15 <@Haarg> ok
21:18 < CIA-58> wgdev: Graham Knop master * r4f362e7 / lib/WGDev/Command/Test.pm : Test: always use -r option for prove, remove -S shortcut for slow - http://bit.ly/bWVKer
21:18 < CIA-58> wgdev: Graham Knop master * r9d87a00 / (6 files in 3 dirs): Perl::Critic fixes - http://bit.ly/bTPsYY
21:18 < CIA-58> wgdev: Graham Knop master * r63e8c6c / Changes : updating Changes for 0.5.0 - http://bit.ly/9Bjvcc
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22:01 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, this one is closer.
22:01 < CIA-58> webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r117c789 / (65 files in 8 dirs): Closer to Roles. Remove also from WebGUI::Definition, and put use Moose in all Asset classes. - http://bit.ly/9uuGgs
22:08 <+perlDreamer> Can't locate object method "tableName" via package "Moose::Meta::Class" at /data/webgui/lib/WebGUI/Definition/Asset.pm line 87.
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22:22 < adriano> Hi I was wondering if anybody could suggest any Wobject development primers for me.
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23:15 <+perlDreamer> adriana, check the wiki on webgui.org
23:15 <+perlDreamer> the presentations on WebGUI TV
23:15 <+perlDreamer> and the Development book from PlainBlack
23:27 <+perlDreamer> whoops, typo. sorry about that adriano
23:44 < adriano> No worries, thanks.
23:45 < adriano> The company I work for has a support contract with PB, would you by any chance know whether or not the developers book should be available to us in PDF form?
23:51 < ckotil> anyone know where that macro is to visualize a sites group stucture?
23:57 <+perlDreamer> ckotil, I was tinkering with that as code, but it's long dead
23:57 <+perlDreamer> it didn't scale well
23:58 <+perlDreamer> otherwise, it would be on the Bazaar?
23:58 <+perlDreamer> adriano, none of the books are sold in PDF form
23:58 <+perlDreamer> they used to be, but it was horribly abused by people, so Plain Black stopped that practice.
23:59 < ckotil> kthanks
23:59  * perlDreamer heads off to pick up kids from school
23:59 <+perlDreamer> have a nice weekend, all!
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05:19 <@rizen> I've been scouring the documentation, but haven't found a way to do this. What I want to do is basically
05:19 <@rizen> $class->meta->find_method_by_name($name)->add_after_modifier($some_sub);
05:20 <@rizen> is that a possibility?
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05:36 < SDuensin_> What?!  rizen doesn't have an answer?!
05:37 <@rizen> this moose stuff is all new to me
05:37 <@rizen> i actually posted that question to the wrong channe
05:37 <@rizen> l
05:37 <@rizen> thought i had the moose channel selected
05:37 < SDuensin_> If you want an answer from me, you sure did.  :-)
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19:11 < doc777> Hello friends. I am working with a forum template but this line produces blank vars:  <tmpl_var lastReply.dateSubmitted.human> @ <tmpl_var lastReply.timeSubmitted.human> 
19:11 < doc777> Any idea why they would have no data?
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20:17 < doc777> Is there a way to disable caching on a forum? I am working with one that you can log in and out and refresh several times before new posts appear...  :o)
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21:19 < doc777> Anyone else have an issue with 7.7.32's Code Editor squashing all the code into a ball and adding $1  $1  $1   ?   :o)
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21:43 < doc777> When using the code editor in 7.7.32 my code gets squashed and gets $1  $1   $1   added about randomly.  I am using firefox.  Is there a way around this?
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22:36 < doc777> anything I should know about upgrading from 7.7.32 stable to 7.8.13 stable?   I installed and ran upgrade.pl and it says no upgrades necessary...
22:39 <@preaction> you can't upgrade from 7.7.32 stable to 7.8.13 stable. read the gotcha.txt
22:41 < doc777> I read it, You must upgrade to 7.7.20 before upgrading to 7.8.0  but I am starting with 7.7.32 so a bit confused how I can downgrade to 7.7.20
22:45 <@preaction> you have to upgrade to 7.7.33 first
22:45 < doc777> ah, my gotcha does not say that...
22:45 <@preaction> also, read the release announcement, because there are issues in 7.8.13
22:45 < doc777> arg!
22:46 < doc777> The only reason I was upgrading was because the code editor is broken in 7.7.32
22:46 < doc777> is the latest unstable?
22:48 <@preaction> the fixes to the code editor are in 7.7.33
22:49 < doc777> Would you recommend me to upgrade to 7.7.33 or 7.8.13 at this point? Site has about 1200 users...
22:54 < doc777> Guess I will do 7.7.33 and wait till next week on 7.8. Thanks for the help   :o)
23:18 < CIA-58> webgui: Doug Bell master * r7532c43 / (2 files in 2 dirs): fix 11445 NotifyAboutUsers sends infinite e-mails - http://bit.ly/afDr53
23:19 < CIA-58> webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.8 * r2e34a74 / (2 files in 2 dirs): fix 11445 NotifyAboutUsers sends infinite e-mails - http://bit.ly/awkzOM
23:32 < doc777> 7.7.33 code editor is randomly tossing $1's  into the code. So far it has wrecked every template that I have opened with it.  I can watch them appear sometime while just staring at it... Is there a way to edit files without using this demon?  :o)
23:34 < doc777> Scratch that. clearing the browser cache, server cache and restarting seems to have cleared that up.
23:59 < doc777> I installed the phpbb forum template on 7.7.33.   This tmp_var returns blank:  <tmpl_var lastReply.dateSubmitted.human>  Am I doing something wrong?  It looks pretty normal other than that.
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17:41 < doc777> Hello friends. I need a little help again :o)
17:43 < doc777> We recently upgraded to 7.7.33.  We used to have a collaboration system with an rss news feed at /news.rss    After upgrading that link is gone.  And I cannot seem to find out how to recreate it, or anything about it.  The wiki simply mentions you can create an rss news feed from a collaboration but no detail.
17:44 < doc777> The box you used to define the rss url in is now missing?  Or I cannot find it.  And if I just specify /news the syndicated content link fails with bad feed url.
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