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04:56 < elnino> preaction, do you have other ideas I should consider? does the newsletter has something like this?
04:57 <@preaction> i would probably do a collaboration system (with the mailing list functions)
04:59 < elnino> hmm.. I hadn't thought about the CS.. so.. create the cs with the canned emails, and then..?? 
04:59 < elnino> the idea is to send one email immediately upon signup
04:59 < elnino> then send the next a week later
04:59 < elnino> then the next a week later type thing.
05:01 <@preaction> ohhh
05:01 <@preaction> that i would make into a workflow then
05:01 < elnino> =)
05:01 < elnino> ok. 
05:56 <@preaction> i think i'm inadvertantly fixing the WRE for 64-bit systems as I get it to compile on Snow Leopard
06:59 < elnino> yea!!!
07:16 < elnino> thinking aloud now.. to write a "ecourse" thing, I would need a workflow, probably a new asset called "email" that has it's own template. The admin would then create a bunch of the canned emails in a folder and upon registration, the user will be sent the emails in the order they appear in that folder.
07:16 < elnino> the email assset would have a html template, a time it should be sent (relative to user's registration)
07:17 < elnino> the workflow would have to be  a group workflow?
07:17 < elnino> it would have to check the group that the user registered for, and send the appropriate emails for that group.
07:18 < elnino> so the "email" asset would have to have a "viewable" group id.
07:18 < elnino> hmm. maybe the email would be based on newsletter?
07:24 < elnino> maybe upon registration they get subscribed to the newsletter. 
07:24 < elnino> ans the workflow for the newsletter determines if the email is sent to them and when.
07:29 < elnino> yep, I think the "email" would inherit from newsletter.
07:30 < elnino> I recommend that this be deleted: http://www.webgui.org/etcetera/html_newsletter/html_newsletter 
08:19 < elnino> I now wonder if it is an activity as opposed to a workflow.
08:22 < elnino> and the activity would go with the "Send Queued Email Messages" workflow.
08:22 < elnino> or daily maintaince tasks.
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15:50 < SquOnk> Greetings
15:50 < SquOnk> Happy new year and all that's said in these cases...
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17:34 <+perlDreamer> nice catch, bartjol
17:34 <+bartjol> :)
17:34 <+perlDreamer> maybe we should start ranking users by the number of actual bugs they report...
17:35 <+bartjol> yeah dig down to the deepest, smallest glitch you can find
17:35 <+bartjol> off course it has other reasons for me than that to get there
17:36 <+perlDreamer> and it's not i18n'ed, either...
17:36 <+bartjol> well, people who get to see that won't mind that much, I'd suppose
17:37 <+bartjol> otherwise we might have to rewrite the webgui code in different languages
17:38 <+perlDreamer> all the other messages are i18n'ed
17:38 <+perlDreamer> I must have missed this one
17:38 <+bartjol> a, is this shown front end?
17:39 <+perlDreamer> I think it's only shown to people in admin mode, but I could be wrong
17:39 <+bartjol> maybe I don't notice, because I never set language to Dutch :)
17:39 <+perlDreamer> You should, I hear the translation is very good for Dutch
17:39 <+bartjol> well, it's neer complete
17:39 <+bartjol> near
17:39 <+bartjol> whether it's good or not... let other people decide
17:48 <+bartjol> ah, stable is complete again
17:51 <+bartjol> and beta as wll
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18:23 <+perlDreamer> sorry, preaction
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18:31 < CIA-53> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r8667876 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix an i18n typo in the SQL Report, and also make sure that a query is not pure whitespace. Fixes bug #11348. - http://bit.ly/7TPWaA
18:32 < CIA-53> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r2edd7d3 / docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt : Put changelog notice in the right version. - http://bit.ly/7OGuZo
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18:57 < CIA-53> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r0286147 / t/Asset.t : Tests for update - http://bit.ly/7QfpaD
18:57 < CIA-53> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r99083bc / lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm : Remove some instances from Asset.pm of storing data in the object hash. - http://bit.ly/7Dd6Ry
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19:12 <@preaction> i'm starting to think that the entire WRE is a gigantic waste of time
19:12 <@preaction> we'd have more luck by just packaging up all the released binaries for the systems, or building scripts for each system
19:13 <@preaction> and having WebGUI itself ask a few questions about where to find things and then use scripts to add/remove sites and such
19:13 <+perlDreamer> isn't that circular?
19:13 <@preaction> huh?
19:13 <+perlDreamer> without an infrastructure, WebGUI can't ask questions
19:14 <@preaction> it asks questions about the OS's infrastructure
19:14 <@preaction> in a script, not in a webpage
19:14 <@preaction> a script with no dependencies
19:14 <@preaction> (well, Perl as a dependency)
19:14 <+perlDreamer> ah, okay
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19:15 <@preaction> asks where the apache vhost files need to go, what the mysql root user is, where your DocumentRoots are going to go
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21:12 < elnino_> how does one enable http compression with webgui? or is it already?
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21:28 <@preaction> i'm giving up on the WRE. it's been an entire week
21:29 <@preaction> and i'm no closer to compiling the thing than when i started.
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22:31 < elnino_> hey preaction...
22:31 <@preaction> sup
22:31 < elnino_> did you by any chance see my "talking out loud" above about the ecourse thingy thing?
22:32 < elnino_> wouldn't it really just be an activiy that would go into the "daily maintainace" workflow?
22:32 <@preaction> yes, the sending of the e-mail would be an activity
22:32 < elnino_> and I would inherit from the newsletter 
22:32 <@preaction> well that i don't know
22:33 < elnino_> to create all the "canned" messages and add a field for "the time frame of delivery" from the time of sign up.
22:33 < elnino_> like: 1w, 2w, 3w
22:33 < elnino_> or something.
22:33 < elnino_> it seems that the newsletter has everything I would want...I think...
22:34 < elnino_> templateable emails, html email, 
22:36 < elnino_> s/,/.
22:48 < elnino_> re blacklisting whitelisting.. Is it done by ip address? or sender's email? anyone know?
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22:53 <@preaction> what kind of blacklisting? usually it's done for an entire mail server (so by IP address)
22:54 < elnino_> oh customer want to know if sending email from wq will black list her, she is currently useing aweber. I believe she is being affected by all theother aweber's customers. whereas, from wg, it's her own ip, so as long as she isn't sending bad stuff
22:55 < elnino_> she can stay whitelisted?
22:55  * elnino_ scratches head
22:55 < elnino_> apparntly she is being blacklisted when using aweber.
22:55 <@preaction> whitelisting is an explicit list that bypasses blacklists
22:56 <@preaction> and if she's sending spam, she'll get her other IP blacklisted to
22:56 < elnino_> ok.. so emailing from her own server will keep her from being blacklisted <> on whitelist.
22:56 <@preaction> but yes, it's a different IP, so it shouldn't be blacklisted
22:56 < elnino_> yet
22:56 < elnino_> =)
22:56 < elnino_> k
22:59 < elnino_> thanks preaction
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23:40 <+perlDreamer> I have to go pick up the kids and run a few errands, I'll be back in a while
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23:44 < elnino_> ok. remindme.. customer wants a pagelayout whose settings are specific. I make this a prototype? prototypes and packages both show up on the left, so I get confused.
23:44 <@preaction> prototype, yes
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23:47 < elnino_> packages are used for exporting...got it.
23:49 <+perlDreamer> also for importing and deployment
23:55 <@Haarg> prototypes are defaults for creating a new asset.  it brings up the asset edit screen just like adding a normal asset.  deploying a package will create a copy of a tree of assets with no further user control.
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03:02 < elnino_> Haarg, I think what is so confusing to me is hat packages show up in the "new content" portion of the admin bar.. what would be the purpose of doing so?
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03:03 < elnino_> I suppose it's because a package could be a prototype when the prototype involves more than one configued asset...
03:03 < elnino_> where as a real prototype is one pre-configured asset.
03:04 < elnino_> I think I used a package like a prototype once becaause it was a pagelayout with articles on it- all with preconfigured options.
03:05 < elnino_> so I guess I answered my question. It would probably make more sense to me if the two were combined... alow prototypes to be more than one asset and let them be exportable/importable.
03:32 <+perlDreamer> elnino, packages show up there so that they can be deployed in a site
03:32 <+perlDreamer> and packages have one other advantage, they can be hierarchial
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03:42 < elnino_> perlDreamer, so is the deployment of a prototype different than the deployement of a package?  For some reason I had stuck in my mind at one time, that when you deploy one or the other, and later modify the original package or prototype itself, those changes would also be applied.
03:42 < elnino_> Am I making this up?
03:43 <+perlDreamer> yup ;)
03:43 < elnino_> oh.. actualy.
03:43 <+perlDreamer> if you deploy a prototype (like Haarg said earlier), then it kicks you into the edit screen for 1 asset, with all the defaults set correctly
03:43 < elnino_> when you deploy a package overitself it's true.
03:44 <+perlDreamer> if you deploy a package, you get 1 or more assets that are exact copies of the package, with no option for config on deploy
03:44 < elnino_> yep.
03:45  * elnino_ needs to think clearly with out happy noises in the background.
03:45 <+perlDreamer> happy rudy noises?
03:48 < elnino_> everyone.
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07:06 < elnino_> anyone around?  I need someone to bounce another idea about subscriptions/billing...
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15:07 <+MrHairgrease> in perl?
15:08 <+MrHairgrease> sorry wrong window
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15:34 < trebbor> Hello..
15:35 < trebbor> I need some help with the WS client, which has been removed from te core. Someone there?
15:39 < trebbor> Guess not..
15:40 <+MrHairgrease> I'm here
15:40 <+MrHairgrease> but I don't know much about the ws client
15:40 <+MrHairgrease> never used it
15:41 < trebbor> Ok. But maybe more in general. How can I install a Asset?
15:44 <+MrHairgrease> ah
15:44 <+MrHairgrease> are you using the wre?
15:44 < trebbor> Yep.
15:45 <+MrHairgrease> ok
15:46 <+MrHairgrease> basically you do this
15:46 <+MrHairgrease> install the wobject in /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject
15:46 <+MrHairgrease> install teh db tables
15:46 <+MrHairgrease> add the asset to the config file
15:46 <+MrHairgrease> restart mod_perl
15:47 < trebbor> But that's the problem. WS Client is still in data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject and I have added them to the config file...
15:47 < trebbor> .. but I'm missing the db tables
15:47 <+MrHairgrease> oh ok
15:47 < trebbor> And I don't know where to find them...
15:47 <+MrHairgrease> if you checkout the git repo
15:48 <+MrHairgrease> the db tables are in wsclient/docs/WSClient-install.sql
15:48 < trebbor> ah cool!
15:48 <+MrHairgrease> do mysql -udbUser -pdbPass dbName < WSClient-install.sql
15:49 <+MrHairgrease> you'll also want to import the templates which are in 
15:49 <+MrHairgrease> a package called wsclient/docs/WSClient-templates.wgpkg
15:50 < trebbor> Thanks, that's exactly what i needed. So you did help me. :)
15:50 <+MrHairgrease> indeed
15:50 <+MrHairgrease> now you owe me a beer =)
15:52 < trebbor> Haha, that's no problem.
15:53 <+MrHairgrease> lucky me
16:33 < SDuensin> Greetings.
16:44 < trebbor> Hello.
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18:24 < elnino_> morning.. 
18:25 <+perlDreamer> hey, elnino_
18:26 < elnino_> someone mentioned at sometime ago that somebody was working on some software that assists in managing webgui sites in a hosting type environment..
18:26 < elnino_> who, and what would that have been? Or am I dreaming again?
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18:27 <+perlDreamer> you mean aside from the WRE?
18:27 < elnino_> yeah
18:27 <+perlDreamer> hm
18:27 < elnino_> I think the person's name started with an S
18:27 < elnino_> =)
18:27 <+perlDreamer> In real life, or in nick name?
18:28 < elnino_> nick name.
18:28 <+perlDreamer> At the WUC SynQ announced WebGUI Starter, which will be cheap, international hosting
18:29 < elnino_> he starts with an S.
18:29 < elnino_> I thought the software was in some repository too.
18:30 < elnino_> SynQ must be asleep still
18:30  * MrHairgrease knows for a fact that the S person just got me beer
18:30 <+MrHairgrease> so isn't all bad =)
18:30 < elnino_> lol
18:30 < elnino_> do you guys work together?
18:31 < SDuensin> What kind of management software?
18:31  * SDuensin wants to build a configuration management tool.
18:32 <+MrHairgrease> sort of: procolix and oqapi offices are next to each other
18:32 < elnino_> yeah - something that I can save MY defaults and disable things and when I create a site they would all apply. right now I modify confs alot.
18:32 <+MrHairgrease> plus it used to be company
18:33 <+MrHairgrease> so we are all one cozy little family
18:33 <+MrHairgrease> sort of
18:33 < elnino_> =)
18:33 <+MrHairgrease> I don't wanna be really realted to synq =)
18:33 < elnino_> I'm putting in an rfe so that wre would let me copy an existing database to the new site. that would save me time too.
18:33 < SDuensin> elnino_: Sounds like what I was wanting.  Put all the configs in a database, allow for exceptions/additions per-site, and let the tool regenerate the confs for you.  That way, you know all your sites are using the latest configuration parameters and they're all in the same order, etc.
18:34 < elnino_> YES
18:34  * SDuensin also starts with an "S".  :-)
18:36 < elnino_> =) It does!!
18:37 < SDuensin> Ideally, I want WebGUI to manage WebGUI installs.  Just not had time to do anything about it.
18:37  * SDuensin is waaaaaaaaaaaaaay backlogged on projects.
18:38 < elnino_> http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/11352 here it is if you have anything to add feel free.
18:39  * elnino_ goes and looks at wgtv to find webGUI starter
18:40 <+perlDreamer> it was a hallway announcement
18:40 < elnino_> yeah, it's not there. =(
18:40  * elnino_ looking at story manager now.
18:40 < elnino_> squirell
18:41 <+perlDreamer> not my best presentation
18:42 < elnino_> that's ok.  I havn't seen anything from wuc where I don't learn something. 
18:43 < elnino_> hmm. 
18:43  * elnino_ often wonders if it would be possible to use dimdim when doing these presentations and post the recordings instead of using a camera in the back corner of the room?
18:45 < elnino_> it seems that story manager is more along the lines of what people expect with a blog... 
18:45 <+perlDreamer> it can be blog like
18:45 < elnino_> tag cloud, filing by month/date
18:46 <+perlDreamer> it should be very cnn.com-like
18:46 < elnino_> I like this.
18:48 < elnino_> hmm. no comments though.. 
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21:42 <+perlDreamer> son of a gun
21:44 <+perlDreamer> if you rollback a version, it doesn't update the search index
21:49 <@preaction> nope
21:49 <@preaction> sometimes also the lineage doesn't get updated in the search index
21:50 <+perlDreamer> you knew this?
21:50 <@preaction> i just remembered today, yes
21:50 <@preaction> it was from the alumni site early last year
21:50 <@preaction> Steve Opal found it
21:51 <+perlDreamer> anything else tickled by the phrase, "Hey, I should tell Colin this so he can fix it." ?
21:51 <@preaction> no, i think it was fixed
21:51 <+perlDreamer> on the Alumni site
21:51 <@preaction> no, in WebGUI, just back in 7.7 or something
21:51 <@preaction> i dunno though
21:51 <@preaction> i hate assetIndex
21:52 <+perlDreamer> I don't think it was fixed.
21:52 <+perlDreamer> I'll add it to the list
21:52 <+perlDreamer> and look at it next week during bug fix day
21:58  * perlDreamer goes for a run
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23:29 < Jaelae> anyone know of a webgui document manager?
23:32 <@preaction> what should it do?
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23:36 < Jaelae> asking me or no?
23:37 <@preaction> yes
23:42 < Jaelae> manage documents :P
23:43 < Jaelae> for instance a way to categories word / pdf / excel files
23:43 <@preaction> define: manage
23:43 <@preaction> define: documents
23:43 < Jaelae> for users to find the ones they want. like an image gallery but for documents
23:43 <@preaction> you could throw them all into a Folder, you could use a collaboration system and attach them, you could use a heirarchy of folders
23:44 <@preaction> if you put them into a hierarchy of folders, you can use the Search asset to search through them (including contents)
23:44 <@preaction> there's nothing overly sophisticated though, the Gallery could be extended, but it hasn't as of yet
23:45 < Jaelae> ahh ok
23:45 < Jaelae> hmm
23:45 <@preaction> or you could make a Thingy for it
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03:01 < CIA-36> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rb7761ce / lib/WebGUI/AssetLineage.pm : Move getParent over to using Moose attributes. - http://bit.ly/5xKRmu
03:01 < CIA-36> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r0c3f4a2 / lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm : Fix a bug with extraHeadTags wrapper, prevent extraHeadTagsPacked and className from being initialized. - http://bit.ly/5gOAIJ
03:01 < CIA-36> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r675bc49 / t/Asset.t : tests for getParent and addRevision. - http://bit.ly/5KfXwf
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00:39 < elnino_> I'm using the CS as a blog, and have set it to everyone to be able to post. but how does a visitor know when they get a response? the post form doesn't ask for a email addres.
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04:28 <+perlDreamer> hey, patspam!
04:34 < elnino_> hi!  it's been awfly quiet for a LONG time.. 
04:34 <+perlDreamer> Hi, elnino_
04:34 <+perlDreamer> I was installing a water heater today
04:34 < elnino_> oh.  how did that go?
04:35 < elnino_> I think well be doin that soon
04:35 <+perlDreamer> not bad, took about 6 hours
04:35 < elnino_> o gee
04:35 <+perlDreamer> most of which was trying to find a way to make a big water heater fit in a small closter
04:35 <+perlDreamer> closet
04:35 < elnino_> was that about right, or longer than expected?
04:36 <+perlDreamer> much longer than expected
04:36 <+perlDreamer> should have been 45 minutes
04:36 < elnino_> I hate that when things take longer than planned. 
04:36 <+perlDreamer> we replaced a stubby, squat 40 gallon heater with a tall, broad 50 gallon heater
04:36 < elnino_> it seems that all diy are tho
04:39 < elnino_> when you buy from the bazzaar, are the files sent to you? or available for a certain time period to download?
04:40 <+perlDreamer> no idea
04:40 <+perlDreamer> I've never bought anything from the bazaar
04:43 < elnino_> didn;t know if you were part if its implementation.
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04:56 <+perlDreamer> nope, I think that was JT and MrHairgrease
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15:26 < zylopfa> Anyone have problems with SQLReport when clicking the download link?
15:26 < zylopfa> I have a problem that the webserver gets into 100% load and it takes 1min+ to serve the page
15:31 < zylopfa> Thanks to the bug report database at webgui.org i found the answer!
16:26 <+bartjol> ah, good
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16:59 <+bartjol> anyone with an rfe that needs some karma?
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17:42 <+perlDreamer> bartjol: you're a karma-spending fool!
17:45 <+bartjol> fool?
17:45 <+bartjol> why?
17:45 <+perlDreamer> fool is American slang for someone who does a lot of something
17:45 <+bartjol> karma is meant to be spend! (it rhymes, so it must be true)
17:46 <+bartjol> but ning gave me her karma to spend it
17:48 <+bartjol> perlDreamer: i suppose you could spend your own karma for rfe's, but if you have one that you want some support for, now's the time to ask
17:52  * perlDreamer likes spending my karma on getting people to write tests
17:53 <+bartjol> mmm, gonna have some time for that when my house is finished....
17:53 <+bartjol> ok, so now, I'm gonna work on that, scrubbing tiles and putting in a ceiling
17:54 <+bartjol> adieu
17:54 <+perlDreamer> adios
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18:26 < zylopfa> Anyone know of any errors with the friend request system?
18:26 < zylopfa> Somehow i get errors and i backtracked it to that the original mail was not found in the mailbox
18:26 < zylopfa> Does the system somewhere hard-delete messages?
18:28 <+perlDreamer> Friend's requests expire
18:28 <+perlDreamer> and there is a workflow activity that purges old inbox messages after a preset time (1 year by default)
18:28 < zylopfa> yeah by a workflow
18:29 < zylopfa> but its this workflow who cant find the original friend mailId
18:29 < zylopfa> Ohh shit
18:29 < zylopfa> Thats fatal
18:29 < zylopfa> then 1) activity purge email messages after some time
18:30 < zylopfa> 2) the DenyUnansweredFriends workflow looks for these messages of invites
18:30 < zylopfa> and cant find em cause 1) deletede em
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18:30 < zylopfa> Thats a bad error I think
18:31 <+perlDreamer> That's a bad user configuration
18:31 < zylopfa> how so?
18:31 <+perlDreamer> because Friends requests expire way before the default 1 year
18:31 < zylopfa> I havent set anything but the default in that regard
18:32 <+perlDreamer> then it probably isn't the problem
18:33 < zylopfa> I have manually delete the requests that made errors cause the corresponding mailId couldnt be found in their inbox
18:33 < zylopfa> But I think there are problems with the friend system, I will be more alert as to what causes it in the future
18:33 < zylopfa> Cause at my site someone got 24560 messages that "user denied your friend request"
18:33 <+perlDreamer> very good.  Please report them as bugs with all the details you can, including any manual db work you do.
18:34 <+perlDreamer> That's what I call denial.
18:34 < zylopfa> haa yeah 
18:34 < zylopfa> I have installed a message counter now to see if anyones mailbox suddenly skyrocket
18:34 < zylopfa> So i can alert myself to the problem if it arise again
18:35 < zylopfa> I am running with 15,000 users so i have to watch things
18:36 < zylopfa> perlDreamer, is it true that you become ignorant to other cms when using webgui?
18:36 <+perlDreamer> not exclusively, but I think people are more familiar with what you use on a regular basis
18:36 < zylopfa> yeah
18:37 < zylopfa> I dont know forexample Joomla only that many use it, but i wont try it
18:37 < zylopfa> cause i always seen php programmers mixing code and markup
18:37 <+perlDreamer> I'd like to learn some of the other CMS'es, just so I can understand them better.
18:37 < zylopfa> I remember in the old days php was good cause you could do just that
18:37 <+perlDreamer> I think we could learn some things from Joomla, Drupal, etc
18:37 < zylopfa> yeah I guess
18:38 < zylopfa> the API of Webgui is insane good imo
18:38 < zylopfa> if you take your time to read it ofc
18:38 <+perlDreamer> yes, definitely
18:39 < zylopfa> I am getting good response on my workflows on the bazaar at webgui.org
18:40 < zylopfa> I made a form to sms workflow for the dataform, which i think is real good
18:40 <+perlDreamer> I saw that
18:41 < zylopfa> its not robust yet but more like a proof of concept
18:41 < zylopfa> I made it for a site where you can get reminders for birthdays, meetings and other things, by sms texting
18:42 < zylopfa> I am using the buildin Cron also
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18:54 < CIA-36> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r3d5add8 / (5 files in 5 dirs): 
18:54 < CIA-36> webgui: Fix problems with the Sales tab in the Shop Account plugin.
18:54 < CIA-36> webgui: Only display the Sales tab to vendors, and prevent www_viewSales from erroring out if the
18:54 < CIA-36> webgui: user is not a vendor. New template, template variable, i18n. - http://bit.ly/72DGxw
18:54 < CIA-36> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * re38fe47 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Move package to the right place. - http://bit.ly/4B6Bpa
18:54 < CIA-36> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r1e7f443 / (5 files in 5 dirs): 
18:54 < CIA-36> webgui: Fix problems with the Sales tab in the Shop Account plugin.
18:54 < CIA-36> webgui: Only display the Sales tab to vendors, and prevent www_viewSales from erroring out if the
18:54 < CIA-36> webgui: user is not a vendor. New template, template variable, i18n. - http://bit.ly/75pNQy
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19:26 < zylopfa> have a good one
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20:57 < CIA-36> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * raa5419b / (3 files in 3 dirs): Make sure template attachments are duplicated. Fixes bug #11355. - http://bit.ly/7QW37p
20:58 < CIA-36> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r6fe662e / (3 files in 3 dirs): Make sure template attachments are duplicated. Fixes bug #11355. - http://bit.ly/6kzHrK
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23:25 < elnino> where does the list of timezones com efrom?
23:26 < elnino> I'm working on a 7.7.21 site and the list is not a list of timezones, but rather extrememly long, and it seems that it lists
23:26 < elnino> all the american states but Minnesota =(
23:35 <+perlDreamer> Form/TimeZone.pm?
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23:48 <+perlDreamer> In a Collaboration System, if you lost the lastPostDate and lastPostId, are there any quick/easy ways to find them again?
23:49 < elnino> ok. perlDreamer.. was this something that changed? I don't recall such a large list.. 
23:50 <+perlDreamer> those come right out of the DateTime modules, so we don't change them
23:50 <+perlDreamer> it is entirely possible they've changed
23:51 < elnino> oh. they aren't timezones at all, just a bunch of America/state name.  I guess I thought it was the normal gst-6 etc. or whatever the appreviation is.
23:51 <+perlDreamer> I'd bet that they're all aliases for real time zone names
23:52 < elnino> too many. should only be 6 or so in america.
23:52 < elnino> oh well ok.
23:53 < elnino> I just didn't know what to pick for myself.  =)
23:53 <+perlDreamer> pick a state in your time zone, then file a CPAN bug that says they're discriminating against Minnesotans
23:53 < elnino> lol
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00:02 <+perlDreamer> elnino, I can fix your CS duplication bug, but the part you didn't report is very difficult
00:02 <+perlDreamer> not only is the thread/reply count off, but the lastPost information is off, too
00:03 <+perlDreamer> I'm starting to think we should disable deep copying for CSes
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00:57 < elnino> sorry perlDreamer... I left, I'm back, but leaving soon again, you know how it goes..
00:57 <+perlDreamer> indeed :)
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00:58 < elnino> well, I'm glad I found a juicy one for you... 
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01:02 < CIA-36> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r97338ff / (2 files in 2 dirs): 
01:02 < CIA-36> webgui: When duplicating a CS with now children, clear out the replies and threads. When duplicating with children, recalculate them again, since duplicating clears them. Fixes bug #11347.
01:02 < CIA-36> webgui: Note, the lastPostId and lastPostDate are cleared, and gone. There is no way to recover it after duplicating the branch since
01:02 < CIA-36> webgui: the creationDates and revisionDates are reset when duplicating. - http://bit.ly/4BNmQB
01:03 < CIA-36> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r63b6e6f / (2 files in 2 dirs): 
01:03 < CIA-36> webgui: When duplicating a CS with now children, clear out the replies and threads. When duplicating with children, recalculate them again, since duplicating clears them. Fixes bug #11347.
01:03 < CIA-36> webgui: Note, the lastPostId and lastPostDate are cleared, and gone. There is no way to recover it after duplicating the branch since
01:03 < CIA-36> webgui: the creationDates and revisionDates are reset when duplicating. - http://bit.ly/8BsIcV
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01:07 < elnino> do polls have undefined fields availalbe to them? I'm assumeing not...
01:08 <+perlDreamer> No, a Poll present a limited number of options for a user to pick from.
01:08 <+perlDreamer> Sounds like you want a survey.
01:08 < elnino> no.. client want's two description fields. I don't know why... =(
01:09 < elnino> where do I find these people?
01:09 <+perlDreamer> good question.  How do you find these people?
01:10 < elnino> lol.
01:11 < elnino> freelancing sites. definately not worth the pain. I think I'm quitting once I'm done with these people.
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01:22 <+perlDreamer> what good are 2 description fields?
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04:00 <+perlDreamer> our list of countries is really bad
04:00 <+perlDreamer> Some of them are uninhabited islands near the Antarctic
04:02 <+perlDreamer> preaction, down from 44 broken countries to 13
04:02 <+perlDreamer> I'm going to commit this work soon, and release it
04:03 <+perlDreamer> we'll have to track down all the little Islands in Form::Country one by one with help from the USPS
04:03 <+perlDreamer> oh, and North Korea
04:03 <+perlDreamer> I can't find a name that the USPS will take
04:06 <@preaction> because they don't ship to North Korea
04:06 <@preaction> or Cuba probably
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05:21 <+perlDreamer> oh no, it says "Invalid Country Name".  Thats a different error message.
05:29 <@preaction> ah
05:30 < elnino> perlDreamer - there is no good in having two desription fields. Tho I do see value in having "before poll" and "after poll" text. =)
05:30 <+perlDreamer> that sounds like a Description, and snippet and a custom template to me
05:30 < elnino> but I'm not going to  rfe that.. I'm just shaking my head on this request.
05:31 <+perlDreamer> you really going to hang it up after this one?
05:31 <+perlDreamer> or just look for different customers?
05:32 < elnino> lol.
05:32 < elnino> I talked her out of it.
05:32 < elnino> she has a lot of polls going on. I'm not even goiing to mention that possiblity.
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05:37 <+perlDreamer> I went to a pre-quote meeting last week, asked questions about their hosting setup, and haven't heard anything back at all
05:37 <+perlDreamer> quotes are due Wednesday
05:37 <+perlDreamer> I don't think I'm going to submit one for that project.
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06:01 < CIA-36> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rd04d457 / (3 files in 3 dirs): 
06:01 < CIA-36> webgui: Fix several countries whose addresses were rejected by the USPS International ship driver. Fixes bug #11359.
06:01 < CIA-36> webgui: Also, update two countries in Form::Country - http://bit.ly/932i42
06:02 < CIA-36> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r2c4e221 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/Country.pm): Also, update two countries in Form::Country as part of bug #11359 - http://bit.ly/86NjWC
06:26 < elnino> perlDreamer I wouldn't either.
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07:26 <+perlDreamer> what say, tavisto?
07:26 <@tavisto> hey brotha
07:27 <@tavisto> day 1 completed. :) Even went and played as a sub on Sarah's indoor soccer team.
07:27 <@tavisto> Presentations went well and everyone liked my matrix ideas as well as JT's new stuff
07:28 <+perlDreamer> this week is meeting week?
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07:45 <@tavisto> yeppers
07:46 <@tavisto> we're doing bug fixes tomorrow so definitely rock that out with us
07:46 <@tavisto> yo patspam
07:46 <+patspam> yo tavisto
07:46 <@tavisto> so how are you liking NYC?
07:47 <+patspam> hard to say
07:47 <+patspam> I'm in melbourne atm
07:47 <+patspam> =p
07:47 <@tavisto> I was there 2 months ago. Midtown area to present wG to United Nations. We didn't get selected for project but I was able to hit up the coolest rooftop bar called 230 Fifth
07:47 <@tavisto> oh, well I didn't know that
07:47 <+patspam> heh, don't you read my facebook status messages :(
07:47 <@tavisto> when you're back there.. definitely hit that up... it overlooks the Empire State Bldg and all of downtown.. It's huuuge too
07:48 <+patspam> awesome, I'll check it out
07:48 <@tavisto> haven't lately, not much time for facebook
07:48 <@tavisto> why are you back? Nothing bad I hope
07:48 <+patspam> nah just sorting my long-term visa
07:48 <+patspam> the wheels turn slowly
07:48 <@tavisto> oh yeah I can imagine.. especially with all the stuff lately
07:48 <+patspam> if all goes well I'll be back in the first week of feb
07:48 <@tavisto> excellent
07:48 <+patspam> ping me if you're ever back in nyc
07:49 <+patspam> we can hit up that bar together
07:49 <@tavisto> yeah I'll be going out there for sure. I've got a few friends out there so we'll definitely all get together
07:49 <+patspam> awesome
07:50 <+perlDreamer> tavisto, y'all are not coming back for OSCON, right?
07:51 <@tavisto> nope, but I may make an appearance in Cali (where OSCON is from now on.. right?) 
07:51 <@tavisto> tradeshows did not generate any ROI and they are expensive
07:51 <@tavisto> well not tangible anyway.. maybe we'll eventually see some
07:52 <@tavisto> when you have 2200 competitors in the marketplace it's tough to stand out
07:52 <+perlDreamer> OSCON is back in PDX this year
07:52 <@tavisto> oh wow, didn't know that
07:52 <+perlDreamer> probably still not worth the price of admission, though
07:52 <+perlDreamer> iirc, it was pretty spendy
07:52 <@tavisto> would be great to go out there but money is still an object :)
07:53 <@tavisto> however, it may not be if some of our new top secret super uber cool stuff takes hold
07:54 <@tavisto> guys, I could have sworn that there was a switch to enable people to recover their usernames in wG
07:54 <@tavisto> am I on crack?
07:55 <+perlDreamer> yup, put down the pipe
07:55 <+perlDreamer> we only recover passwords
07:55 <+perlDreamer> but, i think you can enter in an email address and it will work, too
07:56 <@tavisto> hmm.. alright, so when peeps forget their username on cmsmatrix they have to email me for the info
07:56 <@tavisto> ugh
07:56 <@tavisto> I swear we used to have this feature in like 6.x
07:56 <+perlDreamer> in other news, the USPS has decided that it makes no sense to provide an easy to use list of supported Country names
07:56 <@tavisto> maybe 5.5 days
07:56  * perlDreamer will double check
07:56 <@tavisto> SUPER
07:56 <@tavisto> why would it, that would make sense.
07:57 <+perlDreamer> there is a switch to enable/disable password recoverty
07:57 <@tavisto> USPS wants to grow it's services and compete with UPS/FedEx but like any government operated entity... they're idiots who are mismanaging the majority of the resources and have no clear direction
07:57 <@tavisto> yeah, but that's not what I'm referring to
07:58 <+perlDreamer> ah, there is a setting called passwordRecoveryRequiresUsername
07:59 <+perlDreamer> it works with recovering a password using profile fields...
07:59 <+perlDreamer> if you don't use usernames, you can look it up via email address
07:59 <+perlDreamer> so I was wrong
07:59 <+perlDreamer> you can recover passwords without a username
08:00 <+perlDreamer> but you have to have some other info, like the email address used for the account, or the value of several profile fields
08:01 <@tavisto> yeah using profile fields.. I'm aware of that method as well
08:01 <+perlDreamer> tavisto, on TGC, how do I make test checkouts without getting charged?
08:01 <@tavisto> that's kind of a cool way to do it but still not perfect for what we need
08:01 <+perlDreamer> you can use the email address way
08:01 <@tavisto> well the best way is to test and then have us void the sale. Then it doesn't even go into processing
08:02 <+perlDreamer> cool.  I don't want a rehash of last week's double checkout submit problem.
08:02 <@tavisto> we can do it minutes after you process an order. Although, we need to make sure we let everyone know so that all parts of the order checkout are cancelled
08:02 <@tavisto> if you want to do it tomorrow I can help ya and make sure Doug kills the backend orders so they don't get printed.. We'll be in the same room afterall :)
08:02 <@tavisto> the orders have been streaming in today
08:03 <+perlDreamer> probably better to do bug fixes first
08:03 <+perlDreamer> although, I am still planning on upgrading that server tomorrow
08:03 <@tavisto> well I'm just saying it would be good to test it b/c it's fast and everyone is here together
08:03 <+perlDreamer> that's true
08:03 <@tavisto> coolio, it's been a pig the last couple of days
08:03 <@tavisto> order #1011 just rolled in
08:04 <@tavisto> I think we started today at like 995 or something
08:06 <+perlDreamer> if this keeps up, y'all are going to have to expand
08:06 <@tavisto> nm, 1000 is what we hit today as first order
08:06 <@tavisto> we did about $1k in rev today
08:06 <@tavisto> we made things more efficient and 2 guys can really rock out some orders.. some of the time our guys have had idle time
08:06 <@tavisto> even with the big orders coming in.. so that's great to see
08:07 <+perlDreamer> are you getting any of those off-Shop bulk orders?
08:07 <+perlDreamer> where people order BIG amounts of games?
08:07 <@tavisto> we really just need like 1.50 people working in there and so things are going well. If we continue to grow we've got the whole night shift available and we could get a vampire to work 3rd shift hehe
08:07 <@tavisto> we've had a few 50+ orders but not too much yet
08:07 <@tavisto> several of those are coming we're told.
08:08 <@tavisto> it's kind of a pain because it's outside of the parameters that we've setup.. However, Doug made a nice bulk price selector that we can enter a price for x amount of quantity.. very basic but works
08:17 <+perlDreamer> time for this old man to head to bed.
08:17 <+perlDreamer> more hackery tomorrow
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16:52 < ckotil> Good Morning. Has anyone ever generated a crumb trail for each search result returned from the search asset?
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17:18 <+bartjol> ckotil: do you mean that you show a path instead of the title with parts of that path also being links to those location (in order not to give you hope, no I haven't)
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17:36 <+perlDreamer> bug triage:
17:36 <+perlDreamer> rss.url was trying to use a template variable that does not exist
17:37 <+perlDreamer> the UTF bug seems to be Debian only.  I've asked the submitter to try a demo site to double check, and assigned the bug to SquOnk
17:37 <+perlDreamer> I'm going to try to duplicate the double version tag/IE8 on XP bug next
17:40 <+perlDreamer> bopbop: that's a great RFE
17:40 <@bopbop> why, thank you perlDreamer
17:40 <+bartjol> great rfe's?
17:41 <+bartjol> i have some karma to spend
17:41 <@bopbop> I posted one: ability to commit from the revisions in tag screen
17:41 <@bopbop> 11360
17:42 <+bartjol> perlDreamer: do you know whether if when you change the session timeout, the expired field is recalculated?
17:42 <+perlDreamer> I think that only works on new sessions, not existing ones, bartjol
17:42 <+bartjol> I was afraid of that
17:43 <+bartjol> I have a url handler to show the activesessions
17:43 <+bartjol> for some statistics program
17:43 <+bartjol> and my own site has 1000+ sessions
17:43 <+bartjol> I can't really imagine
17:44 <+perlDreamer> do you want to expire them all now?
17:44 <+bartjol> well, not my own maybe
17:44 <+bartjol> just all the googlebot stuff
17:44 <+bartjol> and stuff like it
17:44 <+perlDreamer> can you delete them by userId, and delete all visitor sessions?
17:45 <+bartjol> ah, yeah
17:45 <+bartjol> I was doubting wheteher the db approach was a good one
17:46 <+perlDreamer> you do have to cleanup other tables
17:46 <+perlDreamer> or, you could write a small script which does the work for you
17:46 <+bartjol> the scratch I suppose
17:46 <+bartjol> ah
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17:46 <+perlDreamer> do the select, open the session, then close it
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17:46 <+perlDreamer> closing will do the cleanup for you
17:46 < ckotil> bartjol: im suggesting in addition to the assets title, url, synopsis, keywords in the search asset results, also have a crumbtrail for each result
17:48 <+bartjol> ah, that would be an rfe
17:48 <+bartjol> I do have karma, but will only spend it on approved rfe's
17:49 <+perlDreamer> having a crumbtrail per asset would be hugely expensive
17:49 <+perlDreamer> if you're talking about a standard Navigation crumbtrail
17:50 <+perlDreamer> if you're not, then I'll shut up and let you tell me more about your great idea :)
17:50 < ckotil> yeah, nav crumbtrail
17:51 < ckotil> but since there are only 10 search results per page, would it really be hugely expensive?
17:51 < ckotil> now if you were returning 100's of search results maybe
17:51 <+perlDreamer> yes, because it 10*number_of_ancestor asset lookups
17:51 <+perlDreamer> so, if your assets are 3 levels deep, it's 30 asset lookups
17:52 < ckotil> ah yes. perhaps a new table column could hold the crumb trail data for each asset
17:58 < ckotil> another possibility is to parse the asset URL and create a faux crumb trail. assuming my url's are hierarchical
18:02 <+perlDreamer> that would be another macro
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18:16 <+perlDreamer> bopbop, I wondered why you didn't just fix the link to the wiki
18:16 <+perlDreamer> after tracking it down, I know why
18:16 <@bopbop> :)
18:17 <@bopbop> yeah- not an area I like to muck around in
18:19 <+bartjol> just fix it with an axe
18:21 <+perlDreamer> I can see that remodeling has altered bartjol's approach to coding and content management
18:22 <+bartjol> I don't use axes for my house, you silly, I use bulldozers and sledgehammers
18:22 <+bartjol> for code and content, I'm subtle :)
18:23 <+bartjol> but tabee
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18:38 <+perlDreamer> preaction, Haarg: the long pending bugfix for Javascript::Packer has been released.
18:39 <+perlDreamer> I'd like to bump the version number in both branches
18:39 <+perlDreamer> are y'all okay with that?
18:39 <@Haarg> what is the bug?
18:39 <@preaction> what was the bugfix? and yeah go ahead
18:40 <@Haarg> it won't break the stable version if they ran it with the older version so it seems like it would be ok to up the version tag
18:40 <+perlDreamer> http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/11034
18:40 <+perlDreamer> the only hang up is trying to pack some jquery code
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18:43 <+perlDreamer> I'll add a test to make sure it's fixed, using knowmad's example.
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19:06 < CIA-36> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rea53dcc / (4 files in 4 dirs): Update version for JavaScript::Packed to handle some gnarly JS. Fixes bug #11034. - http://bit.ly/5NVPpa
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20:34 <+perlDreamer> bopbop, SSO between PB and WG is supposed to work
20:34 <+perlDreamer> JT wrote a custom auth plugin for it
20:35 <+perlDreamer> when he split the sites
20:36 <@preaction> not SSO, just single accounts
20:36 <@preaction> the accounts are shared, but the sign-on is not. auth isn't plugged in at that level to control things like that
20:40 <+perlDreamer> okay doke
20:42 < ckotil> SSO between plainblack.com and webgui.org is very convinient 
20:42 < ckotil> s/is/was 
20:42 < ckotil> however, i get more karma now these days 
21:01 <+perlDreamer> preaction: you ready to talk about those two discussable bugs?
21:01 <@preaction> give me 60 minutes. gotta pound out the support boards
21:02 <+perlDreamer> cool
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21:50 <+perlDreamer> preaction, since we're at cross purposes, the bugs I want to talk about are 11346 and 11304
21:52 <@preaction> 11346: I'm not opposed to it, but when does it become a problem? 10 files in a storage location? 100? 1000? 
21:53 <@preaction> or perhaps instead of trying to list the files in Storage->getThumbnailUrl, it should do something more sane
21:53 <@preaction> like just -r "thumb-".$filename
21:59 <@preaction> i've responded to the other one
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23:01 <+perlDreamer> preaction, no idea about the scability.
23:02 <@preaction> the -f( "thumb-" . $filename ); seems like a saner solution
23:04 <+perlDreamer> instead of iterating through N files N times?  probably saner and faster
23:13 <@preaction> might want to change "thumb-" to a package global var
23:14 <@preaction> but that's just gravy
23:14 < CIA-36> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r779f037 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject.pm : Change defaultValue to default in Wobject.pm - http://bit.ly/7RO9Vr
23:14 < CIA-36> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rc7979a1 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Snippet.pm : Change defaultValue to default in Snippet.pm - http://bit.ly/7OLPRR
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23:17 < SquOnk> Greetings
23:17 <+perlDreamer> Greetings, SquOnk
23:17 <+perlDreamer> Do you have a handle on the Debian UTF encoding bug on the boards?
23:18 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: I've sent a couple of replies. I can't reproduce it in a Debian Sid, so I guess it's something related to the particular installation.
23:18 <+perlDreamer> SquOnk, I hate those kinds of bugs
23:18 <+perlDreamer> but at least it isn't in MySQL or TinyMCE for a change
23:19 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: Yeah
23:21  * SquOnk looks at the beautiful ?? in the 7.7.30 testbed
23:22 < SquOnk> So, no WebGUI bug, no MySQL bug, no TinyMCE bug, no Debian bug...
23:22 < SquOnk> ...PEBCAK or Layer 8
23:23 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: The nice thing about this kind of bug is that they force you to check things you wouldn't usually check.
23:24 <+perlDreamer> I've heard of PEBCAK, but what is Layer 8?
23:26 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: Layer 8 as in the eight layer of the OSI network model, Layer 7 being "Application Layer" ;-)
23:26 < SquOnk> eighth
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23:26 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: Sometimes we even use Layer 9 meaning "the world hates you"
23:30 <+perlDreamer> I like that
23:36 < ckotil> Heh
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00:48 <+perlDreamer> yo, tavisto
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00:59 < dionak> woohoo! hello webgui
01:00 <+perlDreamer> hey, dionak!
01:00 <+perlDreamer> long time no IRC
01:00 < dionak> yes, thus the exclamation!
01:00 <+perlDreamer> how are things back east?
01:00 < dionak> but this is william who doesn't know how to change nick on this Mac
01:00 < dionak> finally warming up!
01:00 < dionak> glad you're around as we have a pseudo request question for you
01:01 < dionak> we're trying to test a form post but are having trouble retrieving the params using session->form->param
01:01 <@tavisto> hey perlDreamer
01:01 <+perlDreamer> can you paste some test code for me, dionak/knowmad?
01:02 < dionak> my interpretation is that the pseudorequest doesn't support the way the WebGUI::session::form is expecting the data structure to be
01:02 < dionak> sure
01:02 < dionak> pastebin?
01:02 <+perlDreamer> sure
01:04 < dionak> http://webgui.pastebin.com/d5adac4d3
01:04 < dionak> this is the beginning of our test
01:07 <+perlDreamer> line 100 looks suspicious
01:07 <+perlDreamer> you access the pseudorequest through the session object, then replace it with something else?
01:07 <+perlDreamer> the data structure looks fine
01:07 < dionak> that's why it's commented out
01:07 < dionak> we're working off some old code, btw
01:07 < dionak> i take no responsibilty ;)
01:08 < dionak> i need to make 1 more mod for you to really see the issue
01:09 < dionak> http://webgui.pastebin.com/dfe467f0
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01:09 < dionak> the last 2 lines are effectively what's happening in WebGUI::Session::Form::param
01:10 < dionak> Apache2::Request returns an object whereas pseudoreq appears to return a hash which gets eval'ed into the number of elements (28 in the case of this example)
01:11 <+perlDreamer> calling Dumper enforces a context, list context
01:11 <+perlDreamer> ->param says that if you call it in list context, it returns the keys
01:11 <+perlDreamer> try assigning it to a scalar, then dumping that
01:11 <+perlDreamer> and I'll try it, too :)
01:11 < dionak> but i don't think context is important unless you're passing in a field name
01:11 < dionak> which by the way works fine
01:13 <+perlDreamer> let's make a difference between session->form->param, and session->request->param
01:13 <+perlDreamer> form->param works the way I said it did
01:14 < dionak> ok, our test returned 0
01:14 < dionak> my $paramForm = $session->form->param();
01:14 < dionak> print "\nrequest => " . Dumper($paramForm);
01:14 < dionak> is that what you mean?
01:14 <+perlDreamer> yup
01:14 < dionak> output =>  $VAR1 = 0;
01:15 <+perlDreamer> let's take a step back
01:15 < dionak> sure
01:15 <+perlDreamer> what is it you want to get from the session request object?
01:15 < dionak> the form params from post (pseudo)
01:16 <+perlDreamer> all of them at once?
01:16 < dionak> yes
01:16 <+perlDreamer> with no server side validation?
01:16 < dionak> not sure where you're going with that question but i wasn't expecting any
01:17 <+perlDreamer> well, to get the raw data, use $session->form->paramsHashRef
01:17 < dionak> what about the validated data? how would we do that?
01:18 <+perlDreamer> if you want WebGUI to validate your form data, then use $session->form->__FIELD_TYPE__(__FIELD_NAME)
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01:19 <+perlDreamer> field type is things like text, checkList, integer, float, and so on, things in WebGUI::Form::*
01:19 < dionak> ok; so when would we want to call session->form->param?
01:20 < dionak> btw, in our test script, session->form->paramsHashRef is empty
01:21 < dionak> do you have any tests that successfully post a form where we could see how the setup works and test these methods?
01:21 < dionak> i'm really unsure if it's us or the pseduo req object causing these testing travails
01:22 <+perlDreamer> ack setup_body /data/WebGUI/t will find all those tests
01:22 <+perlDreamer> $params = $session->form->paramsHashRef(); returns a good looking hashref for me
01:22 < dionak> with our code or yours?
01:22 <+perlDreamer> I pasted your code into a script and ran it
01:23 < dionak> what version of pseudorequest?
01:23 <+perlDreamer> the one in 7.8.10
01:24 < dionak> that' may be the difference
01:24 < dionak> we're on an older version
01:24 <+perlDreamer> and 7.7.31 looks good, too
01:24 <+perlDreamer> which version?
01:24 < dionak> lemme check
01:24 <+perlDreamer> wgd version will tell you
01:24 <+perlDreamer> Haarg++
01:24 < dionak> 7.6.35
01:24 < dionak> kudos Haarg
01:25 <+perlDreamer> yup, I get the same results as you on 7.6.35
01:25 < dionak> good to know!
01:25 <+perlDreamer> did some more digging
01:25 <+perlDreamer> for validated data, you do $session->form->process(fieldName, fieldType);
01:25 < dionak> that's cool
01:26 < dionak> thanks
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01:26 <+perlDreamer> that's aliased to several different things, like ->get
01:31 < dionak> does wgd have a way to do diff's between versions?
01:32 < dionak> guess i could use diff directly but i'm trying to learn how to be more lazy
01:33 < dionak> ok, thanks for the help. gotta run get some dinner.
01:33 < dionak> ttys
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01:34 <+perlDreamer> I hate forgetting how the form system works every 2 months
01:47 <+perlDreamer> preaction: new Storage code is 392% faster, with 1 file in the Storage
01:47 <@preaction> i like it!
01:47 <+perlDreamer> that was a limited # of trials
01:53 <+perlDreamer> with 5 files, it's 1400% faster
01:53 <+perlDreamer> I think we have a winner
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01:58 < CIA-36> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r9655b15 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Improve the performance of getThumbnailUrl by 1400%. Fixes bug #11346 - http://bit.ly/8NAGsQ
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02:27 <+perlDreamer> I remember the good old days
02:28 <+perlDreamer> when i could work for a 7-8 hour stretch
02:28 <+perlDreamer> of course, there was also yelling and screaming and cursing
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03:57 < elnino> whoa...  where do I put the keywords on the product asset so that it appears on the correct shelve(s)
03:59 < elnino> The keywords are appearing as meta tags, II didn't expect that.. It's creating invalid html
03:59 < elnino> and I'm getting dupliate style tags when more than one product appears on the shelf.
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04:40 < CIA-36> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r2510b5d / t/Asset/Sku/Product.t : Update the Product test for changes in the Storage API. - http://bit.ly/83i1Qk
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05:24 < CIA-36> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r4e65824 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject.pm : Fix a typo in Wobject. - http://bit.ly/7mBgKQ
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06:32 < elnino> figured it out.
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06:43 < CIA-36> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r9f000f8 / docs/create.sql : Preparing for 7.8.10 release. - http://bit.ly/68RCct
07:26 < CIA-36> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rb976697 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.8.11 development. - http://bit.ly/6dn6qn
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14:55 < KlausH> Hi. Is there a problem oder a change with the translation server? The language overview shows incorrect percent of completion and commit to svn seems not to work.
14:55 < bartjol1> I only see 100%'s
14:56 < bartjol1> and svn commit seems te work to
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14:56 < KlausH> it shows 100% even if the translation is after an webgui update no more complete
14:57 < bartjol1> the main thing rounds up I believe
14:57 < KlausH> when i click commit to svn always the same 6 assets show up.
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14:58 < bartjol1> mm
14:58 < bartjol1> that is not good
14:59 < bartjol1> unfortunately no one with server access around now
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15:01 < bartjol1> it definitely looks confusing
15:01 < bartjol1> ah, and in the past you'd get a svn commit id
15:01 < KlausH> i thought, when translation was not complete last year it shows 99.9% and now it remains at 100%. perhaps i remember wrong.
15:01 < KlausH> Madision is still asleep :-)
15:02 < bartjol1> maybe frodwith can have a look at it
15:02 < bartjol1> paul are you really awake
15:02 < bartjol1> it might be that there has been a transfer to git there
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15:03 < bartjol1> I don't see it in the beta track in github
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16:19 < SDuensin> Morning.
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16:55 < dionak> morning. any pb staff online? if so, the link on http://update.webgui.org/ for the latest version is broken
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17:08 < dionak> hey MrHairgrease
17:08 <+MrHairgrease> howdy
17:09 < dionak> how are things overseas?
17:09 <+MrHairgrease> pretty good
17:09 <+MrHairgrease> in two and a hlf week I'll be in Flaine, France
17:09 < dionak> nice. what are you doing there? holiday?
17:10 <+MrHairgrease> I just hope there's stil snow there by then
17:10 <+MrHairgrease> skiing
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21:31 <+perlDreamer> hey, ekennedy
21:37 < ekennedy> hello colin.  How have you been?
21:40 <+perlDreamer> busy.  I'm ready for another holiday.
21:41 < ekennedy> that is one of the problems with all of the holidays that pile up towards the end of the year.  It's a long stretch in the early part of the year.
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23:25 < dionak> hey topsub
23:26 < topsub> Hi, How are you?
23:26 < dionak> doing well. and yourself?
23:27 < topsub> I'm great
23:28 < dionak> are you working on WG these days?
23:28 < topsub> Yes
23:28 < dionak> anything exciting? you're usually cooking up something cool ;)
23:31 < topsub> Nothing with webgui
23:33 < topsub> Built a crazy CMS using Code Igniter. thats were my time has been spent
23:34 < dionak> perlDreamer, quick question. i'm running an upgrade from 7.6.35 to 7.7.20. The upgrade failed on one of three sites with the following message. 
23:34 < dionak> 	Installing the AdSku Asset...
23:34 < dionak> 		Create AdSku database table.
23:34 < dionak> 		Create Adsku crud table.
23:34 < dionak> 		Adding to config file.
23:34 < dionak> Can't coerce array into hash at /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/Config/JSON.pm line 209.
23:34 < dionak> which corresponds to : $session->config->addToHash("assets", 'WebGUI::Asset::Sku::Ad' => { category => 'shop' } );
23:35 < dionak> my question is: any idea why this might fail?
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00:39 <+perlDreamer> dionak, I'll check
00:40 <+perlDreamer> Hopefully it will be smoother than yesterday :/
00:42 <+perlDreamer> does testEnvironment.pl run clean?
00:43 < dionak> yes, i found through upgrade history that the site in question wasn't upgraded to 7.6.35 somehow
00:44 < dionak> we'll certainly have to resolve that issue. 
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00:45 < dionak> my thought on the error is that perhaps the config file is very different between 7.5.x and 7.6.x? that's the only thing I can think of but I think our most important issue is why that one site wasn't upgraded but the others were
00:45 < dionak> btw, we're launching the site you consulted with me on tomorrow
00:46 < dionak> very exciting. i'll post a link when it's up
00:47 < dionak> if i could run the upgrade process on a single site database, that would help resolve this issue. 
00:47 < dionak> i may move the configs for the other two sites to a .bak file, symlink WebGUI back to 7.6.35 and try upgrading from there.
00:48 < dionak> while crossing my fingers ;)
00:49 < dionak> perlDreamer, I also wrote the beginnings of a test for SiteIndex.pm and made an edit the the module. If I send it over to you, can you review?
00:50 <+perlDreamer> sure!
00:50 <+perlDreamer> what's the edit?
00:50 < dionak> it hides pages that have isHidden = 1 (hide from navigation)
00:50 < dionak> just curious if this has been done already. i haven't been keeping up with git
00:51 < dionak> it's for an RFE, let me get the link
00:51 <+perlDreamer> I don't think that's been done already
00:52 <+perlDreamer> the problem will be committing the code, since 7.8 is closed for new development, just bug fixes are allowed
00:52 <+perlDreamer> although, I think that's kind of a bug
00:52 <+perlDreamer> I was able to run an upgrade on a dev site from 7.6.35 to 7.7.31 without any problems
00:52 <+perlDreamer> I'd have to see the conf file to look more deeply
00:53 < dionak> oh, according to the docs i understood i had to go to 7.7.20 before going further (gotchas)
00:53 < dionak> from 7.6.35
00:54 < dionak> Here's the RFE
00:54 < dionak> http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/11044
00:54 < dionak> Should I create a patch against the latest in git?
00:55 < dionak> Let me resolve the upgrade issue before you spend your time helping me on the config file issue.
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01:08 < dionak> perlDreamer, I'm sending that code over to you now
01:09 <+perlDreamer> okay
01:09 <+perlDreamer> did you resolve the upgrade issue?
01:09 <+perlDreamer> and today, are you really dionak, or knowmad?
01:09 < dionak> haha, yes. i'm really dionak
01:09 < dionak> you can't tell ;)
01:09 < dionak> ?
01:10 < dionak> his language is a bit different
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01:12 < dionak> ok, gotta run. ttys
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01:33 < CIA-36> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rb86be55 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix the double click on the ITransact submit button. Fixes bug #11362. - http://bit.ly/5o2G9y
01:34 < CIA-36> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r046d60e / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix the double click on the ITransact submit button. Fixes bug #11362. - http://bit.ly/74k2qG
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04:48 < CIA-36> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r3a425f2 / (4 files in 3 dirs): Change the name of the sku accessor for shipsSeparately to isShippingSeparately, since it clashes with a property. Add tests. t/Asset/Sku.t passes. - http://bit.ly/54nLqu
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06:16 < CIA-36> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rfcd68c9 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm : Change autoGenerate=>0 to noFormPost=>0 in Product. - http://bit.ly/5HPPHW
06:16 < CIA-36> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rbfedba8 / lib/WebGUI/VersionTag.pm : Convert VersionTag to use newById instead of new, since new cannot dispatch to any class but the one that invoked it. - http://bit.ly/5AlJE4
06:59 < CIA-36> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rd9c340f / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Folder.pm : Convert Folder to Moose. - http://bit.ly/7CSuNt
06:59 < CIA-36> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rdf9e058 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Layout.pm : Dirty conversion of Layout to Moose. - http://bit.ly/5orfNo
06:59 < CIA-36> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rb12ed7e / t/Asset.t : Tests for getDefault. - http://bit.ly/8EZ0b3
07:41 < CIA-36> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r0ef9494 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Navigation.pm : Dirty conversion of Navigation to Moose. - http://bit.ly/5MptrO
07:54 < CIA-36> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r56eadab / t/Asset/Asset.t : Update test for new Moose API. - http://bit.ly/74ZzYr
07:56 < CIA-36> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r28fae98 / lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm : Small tweak for rejecting empty string as assetId. - http://bit.ly/5qNwTT
07:57 < CIA-36> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r0a6e0b1 / t/Asset.t : test for new, with no assetId. Apparently, you cannot return undef from BUILDARGS. - http://bit.ly/6oiaF9
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18:31 <+bartjol> perlDreamer: my analysis of that bot stuff became a little complicated, spectre forced itself in the picture too
18:32 <+perlDreamer> you wouldn't want spectre to use that
18:32 <+perlDreamer> I think
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18:34 <+bartjol> well, it actually was the intention that I got a good overview of actual userSessions
18:35 <+bartjol> but with bots and spectre crowding the userSession table, it becomes difficult to remove all those factors
18:35 <+bartjol> not impossible
18:36 <+bartjol> but now I open a session for each sessionId from the table, checking whether it isn't spectre, it takes some time to calculate that
18:36 <+bartjol> it costs a couple of seconds
18:37 <+perlDreamer> per session?
18:37 <+perlDreamer> wow
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18:41 <+bartjol> now, in total
18:41 <+bartjol> now -w
18:41 <+perlDreamer> that's not so bad
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19:13  * bartjol is scared
19:13 <+perlDreamer> You should
19:13  * perlDreamer is turning into a Hungarian trained beast man
19:13 <+bartjol> well, i still win the drinking contest
19:14 <+perlDreamer> hands down, sir ;)
19:14 <+bartjol> and remodelling is exercise to
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19:37 < hudsong123> Hello, does anybody have a minute to offer some help with installing a custom Wobject for WebGUI?
19:40 <@preaction> what's the problem?
19:40 <@preaction> perlbot ask
19:40 < perlbot> preaction: Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic.  Don't ask if you can ask a question first.  Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them.  Better questions more frequently yield better answers.  
19:41 < hudsong123> When I run  perl -MWebGUI::Asset::Wobject::CustomReport -e install /data/WebGUI/etc/website.conf, nothing happens
19:41 <@preaction> it should be just "website.conf"
19:41 < hudsong123> I've tried that as well and the install method is still not getting called
19:42 < hudsong123> I also don't see any feedback on the console.
19:42 < hudsong123> We are using 7.5.21
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19:43 <@preaction> are you including the WebGUI libraries? perl -I/data/WebGUI/lib
19:43 < hudsong123> How can I tell?
19:45 <@preaction> perl -le'print for @INC'; see if the WebGUI lib directory is in there
19:46 < hudsong123> I can see that it is not
19:47 < hudsong123> Do you know the command to add the WebGUI libraries to @INC?
19:57 < hudsong123> Hmm, Even with the @INC setup correctly I cannot get that install method to run.
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20:35 <@preaction> there's a different installer in the 7.7 series that you should be able to pull out and use
20:39 < dionak> does anyone have an example of a sql report template in template::toolkit?
20:40 < dionak> i'm having a hard time accessing the variables inside the row loop
20:41 <@preaction> dionak: pastebin it and i can try to help
20:41 < dionak> k, give me a few
21:01 < dionak> i recreated this. was trying TT in sql reports earlier in the week. I think it has to do with . vs '_'. http://webgui.pastebin.com/d1f69d5a8
21:01 <@preaction> the TT driver changes . to _
21:01 <@preaction> so "IF session_var_adminOn"
21:01 <@preaction> rows_count_isZero
21:01 <@preaction> rows_loop
21:01 <@preaction> etc...
21:02 < dionak> so i don't need to change the variables then?
21:02 < dionak> handy
21:02 <@preaction> in your TT template you need to change the variables to have _ instead of .
21:02 < dionak> ah
21:02 <@preaction> the WebGUI TT driver changes them for you
21:02 <@preaction> and the H::T::E one
21:02 <@preaction> i replied to your RFE
21:02 < dionak> ok, so i do need to change those
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21:03 < dionak> tks for the reply. i'll have a look
21:03 <@Haarg> also on the first line you have broken template tags
21:04 <@Haarg> [% assetId> when you probably want [% assetId %]
21:04 < dionak> tks Haarg
21:05 < dionak> So this is still unclear to me. Do I need to manually change the dots in variables to underscores in the template code for both HTML::Expr and TT?
21:05 <@preaction> yes
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21:05 < dionak> You say it does it for us in the RFE
21:06 <@preaction> i mean that if there's a "." in a variable given to the template by the application, it gets changed to an _
21:06 < dionak> ah
21:06 <@preaction> because Expr and TT use . as syntax
21:06 < dionak> Perhaps I need to make my RFE a bit more clear
21:07 <@preaction> if it's what you just said, it can't be done
21:07 <+perlDreamer> it would be a very difficult RFE
21:07 <+perlDreamer> going from H::T to H::T::E would be easier, since the syntax is simpler and there's no translation required
21:08 <@preaction> we'd be better off just moving to TT entirely than pre-parsing HTE and TT to change . to _ before the engine gets it
21:09 <+perlDreamer> agreed
21:09 < dionak> that would be my preference as well
21:09 <+perlDreamer> but in order to do that move, we have to be able to automatically translate all templates from H::T to T::T
21:09 < dionak> as long as we were careful to keep as much code out of templates as possible
21:09 <@preaction> if i can convince TWG to move our templates to TT so we can deprecate the H::T and H::T::E plugins, we might be able to get going on it
21:10 <@preaction> what do you mean "code"?
21:10 <+perlDreamer> dionak: that is an entry into a very ugly philosophical discussion
21:10 < dionak> e.g. - perl blocks
21:10 <@preaction> why not? if it makes it easier to display something, i'm all for it
21:10 < dionak> it has to be said. 
21:10 <@preaction> strict divisions between components always create uglier code than fuzzy divisions (because of the cases where one needs a fuzzy division)
21:10 < dionak> if it's about display, yes. i've seen issues with TT and Mason where a lot of logic gets embedded into templates
21:11 <@Haarg> we aren't going to allow perl blocks in TT
21:11 < dionak> that's my biggest concern
21:11 <@preaction> basically thus: the template should not be able to alter anything and should not be able to affect any other request
21:11 <@preaction> but munging data to display it differently using regular expressions, completely fine
21:12 <@Haarg> even ignoring issues about separation of code vs display, we can't allow perl in templates for security reasons
21:12 < dionak> agreed. same goes for formatting 
21:12 <@preaction> frodwith and I had a discussion the other night about this: it will take more code to make it so you can't modify things in the template than to just give an Asset object directly to TT to do with as you please
21:12 <@preaction> oh, actual Perl blocks
21:12 <@Haarg> that would be nice, although i'm not sure it can be done.  seems like we will need to have a proxy object of some kind.
21:12 <+perlDreamer> yup
21:13 <@preaction> i would say enabling/disabling of Perl blocks should be up to the Admin. we'll ship off by default and provide no instructions on how to turn it on
21:13 <@preaction> my ideal TT config is a hash inside the config file passed directly to TT
21:13 < dionak> that would be ideal, yes.
21:14 <@preaction> there are lots of interesting TT things that we may not want to take advantage of, but Random WebGUI Admin A might
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21:28 < dionak> I've updated pastebin, http://webgui.pastebin.com/d52f675da. 
21:28 < dionak> currently, it's not looping
21:32 < dionak> actually, it is. hasNest was failing the IF
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21:41 < dionak> Ok, is there something wrong with how I've setup the foreach over query2_rows_loop? 
21:43 < dionak> it doesn't even enter that loop
21:45 < dionak> ah, i had to change it to row.query2_rows_loop
21:46 <@preaction> oh, heh, duh
21:47 <@preaction> i was looking through the code to see why
21:47 <@preaction> yeah, nested loops have to be done like that
21:47 < dionak> tks, for talking it over with me. it's working now. 
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22:11 < dionak> ok, easy question. how do i sprintf in a TT template?
22:15 <@Haarg> [% template_variable | format('%s') %] i think
22:16 < dionak> i'm looking for a format like xx.x
22:16 <@Haarg> well, format would take and sprintf style formatting string
22:16 <@Haarg> *any
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00:59 < SquOnk> Greetings
00:59 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: I just figured out matija's problem with ?? (and many more characters)
01:00 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: It turns out it is TinyMCE :-)
01:01 <+perlDreamer> SquOnk, why is it specific to Debian?
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01:02 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: Debian's version is newer and has these entity decoding thing...
01:02 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: ...that's being enforced. Older versions didn't enforce it by default.
01:02 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: Go figure.
01:03 <+perlDreamer> hm, is it fixable through a configuration?
01:03 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: I was going to suggest that.
01:04 <+perlDreamer> you watch, the config thing won't work in all browsers
01:04 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: If the RichEditor could be configured by giving the appropiate parameter to enable/disable entity translation...
01:04 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: Exactly. It depends on several things.
01:04 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: Encoding on both ends... as usual :-)
01:06 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: http://wiki.moxiecode.com/index.php/TinyMCE:Configuration/entity_encoding
01:07 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: The translation only happens if you're using some ISO-8859 encoding on the server side, such that whatever the browser sends gets converted to a single byte in the encoding, and then you convert to an entity.
01:07 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: If the server uses UTF-8, then there's no need to translate.
01:07 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: So, forcing UTF-8 on the server side (a Good Thing (tm)) would make translation superfluous.
01:08 <+perlDreamer> I'm pretty sure that WebGUI uses all UTF-8 internally
01:10 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: Well, the translation happens when tinymce gets something that is not utf-8 (client side)
01:10 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: TinyMCE runs on the browser so whatever WebGUI's doing is moot
01:10 <+perlDreamer> true
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02:43 < CIA-72> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rb2db9d4 / lib/WebGUI/Definition/Role/Object.pm : Change getProperty to getFormProperties, which returns the form element of the requested property with i18n and sub ref evaluated. - http://bit.ly/7jqkyY
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04:09 < CIA-72> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rbe8f582 / t/Definition.t : Add tests for getFormProperties - http://bit.ly/4WiwSI
05:11 < CIA-72> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rcce85f0 / lib/WebGUI/Exception.pm : Add an exception for compile errors. - http://bit.ly/6rHKDr
05:11 < CIA-72> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r9004007 / (lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm t/Asset/Asset.t): Changing undef to exceptions in Asset.pm - http://bit.ly/75CihT
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05:53 < CIA-72> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r52d5883 / (lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm t/Asset/Asset.t): More exceptions and tests for Asset.pm - http://bit.ly/5qZseo
05:56 <+perlDreamer> why in the world did I write these tests this way?
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06:26 < elnino> hi all, that's all.
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06:41 <+perlDreamer> hey, elnino
06:41 < elnino> howdy
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16:31 < SDuensin> Morning.
16:33 <+bartjol> afternoon sir
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17:34 <+perlDreamer> morning, folks
17:34 <+perlDreamer> Happy Friday!
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17:58 <+perlDreamer> preaction: I haven't setup up any mail records for that secondary domain yet
17:58 <+perlDreamer> I should readup on DNS and do that
17:59 <@preaction> no worries, was just making sure. gotta run though. probably be back around noon
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20:30 <+perlDreamer> I'm back
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20:48 < ckotil> party time
20:50 <+perlDreamer> catch one for me, ckotil
20:57 < ckotil> :) k. tho i was implying the party can start now. I happen to be having a house warming party tomorrow. 
20:57 <+perlDreamer> oh, congratulations
20:57 < ckotil> Thank You
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21:05 < elnino> thinking outloud:  so... to sell downloads or ebooks or things like that.. Would the best thing be is to use a subscription?  They want the customer to be able to downlod the file only for a period of time...
21:05 <+perlDreamer> that would work
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21:09 < elnino> is that what a subscription does already?
21:10 <+perlDreamer> no, it adds a user to a group
21:10 <+perlDreamer> and sets up a recurring transaction, if configured to do so
21:11 <+perlDreamer> WebGUI needs a downloadable file Sku 
21:11 < elnino> and then that group would be able to view the document for as long they are subscribed.. 
21:11 < elnino> so, we would need a group for each downloadable.
21:12 <+perlDreamer> right
21:12 < CIA-72> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r5c3a3d4 / (lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm t/Asset/Asset.t): Fix inheritUrlFromParent, using trigger instead of around. - http://bit.ly/8mJPLH
21:13 < elnino> yep, wg needs a downloadable file sku.. =) I may be doing one. my life if up in the air now... I may be going to work again.
21:13 <+perlDreamer> what?
21:13 <+perlDreamer> did your husband lose his job
21:13 <+perlDreamer> ?
21:13 < elnino> no, but a very unique opportunity came up and we'll be exploring it some more on tuesday. We're having a pre-interview.
21:14 < elnino> thankfully he hasn't.
21:14 < elnino> but the school district is doing another 10 mil cut. ouch.
21:14 <+perlDreamer> yeah, ouch
21:15 <+perlDreamer> good luck on the pre-interview.  I'm sure you'll do great.
21:15 < elnino> that's already after a two years of 7 mil cuts. they were an exploding community, and it's now plateaued
21:15 < elnino> that hurts a school district
21:15 <+perlDreamer> yeah, we vote on two tax increases next Tuesday, to prevent the same thing
21:15 < elnino> it's a good thing I don't have to type or spell at the interview.
21:15 < elnino> =)
21:17 <+perlDreamer> just remember, you're a valued member of an international free software project.
21:18 <+perlDreamer> these people would be blessed to have you as a member of their company
21:19 < elnino> he he he.. I ReALLy want this job because I havea just finished witnessing them go thru two expensive web-redesign that have failed miserably. first was CMS company - the system was junk.
21:19 < elnino> then they hired a pt person who thought they could do better, and wrote a custom CMS in coldfusion.
21:19 < elnino> from what I hear and experience, it too is junk.
21:19 < elnino> and here comes ME with webgui.
21:20 <+perlDreamer> oh, you're money
21:20 < elnino> I REAALY want to see them use webgui.
21:20 <+perlDreamer> this would be another PT gig?
21:20 < elnino> No. FT
21:20 <+perlDreamer> wow!  That is a great opportunity.
21:21 < elnino> the deal is they would hire both of us, to full fill the one FT position. We both have our strengths. and neigher of us meet all their requirements.
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21:21 <+perlDreamer> onsite, or telecommute?
21:21 < elnino> this would be way too perfect, cause we want to homeschool too. so if we took turns, we'd both be home.
21:21 < elnino> probably both.
21:22 < elnino> mostly on site, which is only 10 miles away. I hope it works out.
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21:23 < SDuensin> Best IRC line yet today:  <javabot> rmrfslash, php is the solution of choice for relaying mysql errors to web users.
21:24 <+perlDreamer> I like that one
21:24 <+perlDreamer> We'll never be able to compete in that market
21:25 < SDuensin> :-D
21:31 < CIA-72> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r348b34d / lib/WebGUI/VersionTag.pm : Fix version tag rollback. - http://bit.ly/9325Tr
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21:55 < elnino> so. I really think we should have a template for centering image via file pile I have one, how do I get it into the core?
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23:43 <+perlDreamer> elnino, make sure that it follows the new TWG guidelines and RFE it.
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01:11 <+perlDreamer> preaction, all tests in t/Asset/Asset.t are passing
01:11 <+perlDreamer> that's a first
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04:39 <+perlDreamer> it's only 2 seconds, but it came at very little effort
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05:03 < elnino_laptop> am I the only one that really does not like yui?  I hope that you will gve the user a choice between editors...
05:04 < elnino_laptop> Im trying to dlete something, and it keeps bring me down to the end of the snippet!!
05:04 < elnino_laptop> grr.
05:04 < elnino_laptop> using ie - I supposed that's way?  =)
05:05 < elnino_laptop> s/way/why
05:05 <@preaction> no, because there's an open bug that has not been fixed
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05:05 <@preaction> and the code editor is completely my code, only based off of YUI's rich editor
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05:06 < elnino_laptop> oh ok.  Im glad Im not going crazy. I often wonder.
05:06 < elnino_laptop> thx!
05:06 <@preaction> yes, i would prefer that the internal bits of HTML that we have strewn about WebGUI would be available to be altered by an administrator, but that's unfortunately not in the cards for anytime soon
05:08 < elnino_laptop> before there was a choice between content editor and something else, couldn't yui be just another choice of editor? or are you guys completely ripping the tinymce out?
05:08 < elnino_laptop> brb
05:10 <@preaction> those are two different configurations of the same editor: TinyMCE
05:10 <@preaction> the YUI-based Code Editor is not the same as a rich editor (which is why we still have the tinymce, for now)
05:10 <@preaction> the YUI rich editor doesn't do tables, which is one major reason we haven't switched already
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05:15 < elnino_laptop> it has problems with selecting too. has that been reported?
05:18 < elnino_laptop> I dunno. I think yui editor needs to go away.. what advantages does the yui editor bring? other than being able to consolidate everything to use yui? (asset manager, sorting datagrids etc?)?
05:18 < elnino_laptop> brb
05:33 <+perlDreamer> elnino_laptop, it brings one big advantage, and that is that it is not another piece of javascript
05:33 <+perlDreamer> also TinyMCE has been a pain the buttocks for many years
05:33 <+perlDreamer> it's not stable, or consistent
05:33 <+perlDreamer> we need approximately 3.5 preaction days to get the current set of bugs fixed
05:34 <+perlDreamer> but those are precious, rare to come by days
05:34 <@preaction> i might be able to fit you after Ragnarok, but i'm pretty booked
05:34 <@preaction> but again, the Code Editor has little to nothing to do with the YUI Rich Editor
05:35 <+perlDreamer> Ragnarok, is that before or after Armageddon and 2012?
05:35 <+perlDreamer> also, I thought we could live without tables?
05:35 <@preaction> that's what DataTable was made for, back in WUC '08
05:36 <+perlDreamer> that's right
05:37 <@preaction> but perhaps since then tables have been made to work in Safari's design mode
05:37 <@preaction> i think it was either Safari or Firefox that had the table problem
05:37 <@preaction> or who knows, maybe it always has worked and Dav just didn't implement it
05:39 <@preaction> oh, just a warning: i made another mysql monitor, this time for slow-running queries. the sge.plainblack.net site has it
05:40 <+perlDreamer> I saw that ticket
05:40 <@preaction> it will try to auto-kill any query that takes longer than X seconds, unless it's REPAIR or OPTIMIZE (which, if killed, will corrupt the table)
05:40 <@preaction> k
05:40 <@preaction> one of these days i'll consolidate all the monitoring so that every server takes advantage of it al
05:40 <@preaction> instead of just the ones that need it
05:41 <@preaction> i'll have time for that after the heat-death of the universe
05:41 <@preaction> just in time for the next big bang
05:42 <+perlDreamer> the universe is expanding too quickly for any more big bangs
05:42 <+perlDreamer> so you'll have to reference some other thing
05:42 <+perlDreamer> like the 64-bit date overflow 
05:43 <@preaction> well, the heat-death refers to the final state of entropy - universal homogenity
05:43 <@preaction> what could possibly happen after that? perhaps our big bang is just a tiny particle of another big bang
05:44 <@preaction> but then, really, life is the anti-entropic force
05:44 <@preaction> life / entropy, order / chaos
05:44 <+perlDreamer> yes
05:44 <+perlDreamer> php/perl
05:45 <@preaction> life can expend energy to turn entropy into more life
05:45 <@preaction> so perhaps the theory of the heat-death is... premature
05:45 <@preaction> which means i'll still have to do my work :'(
05:45 <+perlDreamer> sorry, preaction
05:45 <@preaction> physics is no excuse!
05:45  * elnino_laptop is catching up here..
05:46 < elnino_laptop> I kinda wondered what datatable was for.
05:46 <@preaction> for some reason i smell paint thinner
05:46 <@preaction> who in their right mind would be using enamel at this day and age?
05:48 < elnino_laptop> me.
05:48 < elnino_laptop> it's works really well for trim. but if I had my choice
05:49 <@preaction> on interior walls
05:49 < elnino_laptop> I wouldn't have painted trim to begin with.
05:49 < elnino_laptop> bathroom ceilings
05:49 <@preaction> yeah, i'm planning on sanding and re-staining the trim downstairs
05:49 <@preaction> they make waterproof latex i thought?
05:49 <@preaction> the high-gloss stuff
05:49 < elnino_laptop> I suppose that is what I used. been awhile.
05:50 <@preaction> i really really hope they didn't grab the old paint cans from in the basement. that's probably older than i am
05:50 < elnino_laptop> what ever it is, it's standing up really well.
05:50 <+perlDreamer> I signed up to be a supplier to the State of Oregon
05:50 <+perlDreamer> you should see some of the contracts that come by
05:50 <@preaction> supplier of what?
05:50 <+perlDreamer> maybe I should drop this perl stuff, and get into canned vegetables
05:50 <+perlDreamer> supplier of anything
05:50 <@preaction> ahh
05:51 < elnino_laptop> so.. tables in the article are going away?
05:52 < elnino_laptop> with the coming of yui editor?
05:52 <+perlDreamer> Freudenberg Schwab Type 1 Gearbox Sperical Bearings 
05:52 <+perlDreamer> Fire suppresssion systems
05:52 <+perlDreamer> Community service awards
05:52 <+perlDreamer> Outlook plugins
05:52 <+perlDreamer> anything
05:52 <@preaction> there is no plan right now to replace the TinyMCE with anything at all
05:53 <+perlDreamer> :(
05:53 < elnino_laptop> ok.  so, is there a way to disable it in snippets?
05:53 <@preaction> not currently
05:54 < elnino_laptop> has there been a report about how it copies from wg into notepad? all tabs are ignored.
05:54 < elnino_laptop> and indents by spaces
05:54 < elnino_laptop> are ignored.
05:54 <+perlDreamer> elnino_laptop, if you really hate the code editor, you can turn it back into the old textarea with some changes to Form/Codearea.pm
05:55  * elnino_laptop goes looks unless you know off the top of my head.
05:55 < elnino_laptop> s/my/your
05:55 <@preaction> just remove the JS stuff
05:55 < elnino_laptop> =)
05:55 < elnino_laptop> i don't HATE it.. it just takes more time.
05:56 <+perlDreamer> It doesn't work in IE or Safari
05:56 < elnino_laptop> but I just might do that.. Sorry guys.
05:56 < elnino_laptop> I usually use firefox.
05:56 < elnino_laptop> but currently am using ie.
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07:17 < elnino> when creating a custom asset should assetID be: char(22) character set utf8 collate utf8_bin NOT NULL,   OR   varchar(22) binary not null,
07:17 < elnino> Or are they the same?
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22:53 < elnino_laptop> where would I find the twg's best practices?
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00:16 <@preaction> high-concurrency and always-instantiated assets would make WebGUI a lot faster
00:16 <@preaction> but how could a single instance of an asset process two requests at the same time?
00:17 <@preaction> i mean, in theory it would work just fine except that the session is kept in the asset object
00:18 <@preaction> the alternative seems to be a session object kept in a global location, localized to a single request cycle (so $PACKAGE::session actually has multiple values at the same time, but a single request can only get the one it needs)
00:18 <@preaction> in this way, the session will get destroyed when it needs to be, but every other object can stay in-memory
00:19 <@preaction> but if we think about things this way, we can even keep open sessions in memory
00:21 <@preaction> so webgui is a long-running application that handles communication between the web server and another application
00:25 <@preaction> (those other applications are also long-running, so they can do fun things with the statefulness)
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06:53 < elnino_laptop> oh no.... how do I lists all of my asset's template names? I thought I'd find the templateid in assetData... =(
06:54 < elnino_laptop> but I suppose that doesn't make sense, since assets may have more than one.  Grr..
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07:15 < elnino_laptop> where do I find the best practices for the template work group?
07:17 < elnino_laptop> never mind finally found it.
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16:03 <+bartjol> preaction: did you break that url?
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16:45 < SDuensin> Morning.
16:45 <+perlDreamer> it was me, bartjol.  guilty as charged
16:47 <+bartjol> ah
16:47 <+bartjol> and, is it fixed?
16:54 <+bartjol> perlDreamer: when do you have time to fix that one? I was trying to do a test with the wre install
16:54 <+bartjol> goodmorning btw
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17:19 <+perlDreamer> now that the kids are fed, I'll fix it now
17:19 <+perlDreamer> otherwise bopbop will see it, and be angered
17:22 <+perlDreamer> should be working now, bartjol
17:23 <+bartjol> ah, lets test then
17:26 <+bartjol> did you clear cache?
17:27 <+bartjol> cleared browser cache, still 7.8.10 as latest (and broken link)
17:27 <+perlDreamer> I don't know if that link is cached
17:28 <+bartjol> or am I not patient enough
17:30 <+perlDreamer> ah, there are two files
17:30 <+perlDreamer> a link for the tarball, and a small text file
17:30 <+perlDreamer> please try now
17:30 <+bartjol> aah
17:30 <+bartjol> now it works
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17:31 <+perlDreamer> I'll close the bug
17:33 <+bartjol> as a zonnetje
17:33 <+bartjol> (which is good btw)
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21:52 < CIA-72> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r5763218 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Prevent ProfileField fieldNames from containing spaces. They cause problems with JS in some kinds of form fields. Fixes bug #11371. - http://bit.ly/7vcI7S
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00:49 <+perlDreamer> argh!  What's the sudo command to run the command in root's environment, instead of mine?
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01:24 <+perlDreamer> KlausH: the translation server should be fixed now.
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01:54 < CIA-72> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r6c560e0 / (8 files in 3 dirs): Convert many search forms from POST to GET. Fixes bug ##11372 - http://bit.ly/8fC6WG
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02:45 < CIA-72> WebGUI: translation * r12432 /translations/Ukrainian/Ukrainian/ (13 files): Updating Ukrainian on translation server
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05:04 <+perlDreamer> Haarg: how about "aspect" as a replacement for "attribute" in WebGUI::Definition?
05:04 <+perlDreamer> we'll be replacing AssetAspects with Roles
05:04 <+perlDreamer> so that term should be free
05:16 < CIA-72> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rd4f3187 / (12 files in 5 dirs): change the name attribute to aspect to denote asset level static attributes like tableName, et. al. - http://bit.ly/8cEcra
05:21 < CIA-72> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r6037551 / (4 files in 4 dirs): More attribute => aspect changes. Add get_all_attributes_list, which returns a list of the names of all attributes. - http://bit.ly/6riDzQ
05:24 < CIA-72> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r42b8237 / t/Asset.t : make sure get returns aspects _and_ properties. - http://bit.ly/4SmgcK
05:31 < CIA-72> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r9155f70 / t/Definition/Asset.t : rework test to handle loss of getProperty. use find_attribute_by_name instead. - http://bit.ly/8hceOI
05:36 <+perlDreamer> I'd like to run the whole test suite in wg8, but it's likely to be an ungodly train wreck
05:37 <+perlDreamer> t/Definition.t, t/Definition/Asset.t, t/Asset.t, t/Asset/Asset,t, t/Asset/AssetClipboard.t all pass
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06:41 <@preaction> perlDreamer: why aspect? attribute makes more sense
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07:38 <+perlDreamer> preaction: attribute is already used by Moose.  It means something different
07:41 <@preaction> and we can't use "has" because of tableName?
07:42 <+perlDreamer> right, we need it to be propagated down into each property
07:42 <+perlDreamer> although I may have coded around that limitation
07:42 <+perlDreamer> check out 'sub write' in Asset.pm
07:42 <@preaction> why were traits abandoned?
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07:43 <+perlDreamer> I know nothing about the intent to use traits in WebGUI::Definition
07:55 <@preaction> why can't tableName be a subroutine? does any other attribute need to be propagated like that?
07:55 <+perlDreamer> it can't be subclassed
07:55 <+perlDreamer> each class needs to keep track of its own table
07:55 <@preaction> oh, right, every one does
07:55 <+perlDreamer> and technically, Asset has 2
07:55 <+perlDreamer> and would be much better off with 2
07:56 <@preaction> right, each class keeps track of all its table names using a package-scoped lexical
07:56 <@preaction> in an arrayref
07:56 <+perlDreamer> actually, each class keeps track of its table name with a metaclass method
07:57 <+perlDreamer> are you thinking of the old static_definition, instead of the Moose one?
07:57 <@preaction> the point being: why can't we use "has" if there are other ways around the problems that the "aspect" keyword now gets around?
07:58 <+perlDreamer> anything you declare with has can be overridden by subclasses or roles
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08:00 <@preaction> isn't that a good thing? 
08:00 <+perlDreamer> not if you need to store data in 2 different tables
08:00 <+perlDreamer> think how unhappy Snippet would be if it tried to put title, url, etc into its own table
08:01 <@preaction> i thought those were "property"
08:01 <+perlDreamer> yes
08:01 <@preaction> so then why do we need "aspect"/"attribute"?
08:01 <+perlDreamer> You'd need to ask the original architect
08:02 <+perlDreamer> every time I think I find a hole in the design, I find a reason why it's there
08:02 <@preaction> perlbot timtoady
08:02 < perlbot> preaction: TIMTOWTDI: There is more than one way to do it  
08:03 <+perlDreamer> no doubt, all I'm saying is that I have no doubt at all that there are very good reasons why things are designed this way
08:03 <+perlDreamer> I don't know those reasons, yet.
08:04 <@preaction> yes, but now we have to change the design to something undesirable. aspect to programmers is still about "aspect-oriented programming", another name for Roles or MI
08:04 <+perlDreamer> but in Moose they are clearly called Roles
08:04 <+perlDreamer> I'm not in love with the name
08:04 <+perlDreamer> it's better than attributes
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08:22 <+perlDreamer> man, you'd think that i would have been smart enough to write some tests for ->commit
08:50 < CIA-72> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * rd66b3b8 / (lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm lib/WebGUI/AssetVersioning.pm t/Asset.t): 
08:50 < CIA-72> webgui: Make revisedBy a property, so it gets written on ->update. Change addRev not to
08:50 < CIA-72> webgui: write to the db when it does not need to. Update tests to verify that addRev
08:50 < CIA-72> webgui: does the right thing for tagId and revisedBy. - http://bit.ly/4wKQ7y
08:52 < CIA-72> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * re940dc0 / t/Asset/AssetVersion.t : Change this test to use a Snippet instead of a Template. - http://bit.ly/57K9qL
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17:24 <+perlDreamer> bartjol, I fixed Klaus's two translation server bugs last night, were you following them?
17:34 <+bartjol> a bit
17:35 <+bartjol> it was the svn commit and the percentage translated, right?
17:35 <+perlDreamer> yup
17:38 <+bartjol> , well very nice that they are fixed, maybve send a commit in then
17:39 <+bartjol> 2 days, and I can shower at home...
17:39 <+perlDreamer> awesome!
17:39 <+bartjol> but it seems my commits have come through
17:40 <+bartjol> 'before
17:40 <+perlDreamer> maybe Klaus committed them as a test last night?
17:40 <+bartjol> maybe, dunno
17:40 <+perlDreamer> after the shower is installed, how close are you to being done with your new dream home?
17:41 <+bartjol> well, the rest has to be tiled, and I still need a wash-sink
17:41 <+bartjol> and a kitchen
17:41 <+bartjol> not really close
17:43 <+perlDreamer> I think you'll be done with your home before Kathy finishes her degree
17:43 <+perlDreamer> well, I hope so anyway, since she graduates in 2012
17:44 <@Haarg> perlDreamer, preaction, 'attribute's were intended to replace the top level data in definition.  they could mostly be implemented as subs, but i wanted the information available in both the class and the metaclass.  it's also intended to be easy to use.
17:44 <+bartjol> well, my hope joins yours
17:44 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, I think this all came about when I changed the name to "aspect" from "attribute".
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17:44 <@Haarg> yeah
17:45 <+perlDreamer> btw, adding them to the metaclass allowed me to make write faster, since I don't have to iterate across all the properties to find their tables.
17:45 <@Haarg> i don't really like the name aspect, but i don't know that it is any worse than attribute
17:45 <@Haarg> hrm
17:45 <@Haarg> i guess that works.  it was intended that each property could define its own table if it wanted to.
17:46 <+perlDreamer> we could go back to that
17:46 <+perlDreamer> it wouldn't be hard at all
17:46 <+perlDreamer> I think you should go through my code with a fine toothed comb to make sure I didn't muck up anything else.
17:47 <+perlDreamer> so far I'm 2 for 2 :/
17:47 <+perlDreamer> gotta take the kids to school, back in 15
17:53 < ckotil> cool. SSO between plainblack.com and webgui.org is back.
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18:13 < ckotil> what creates the bazaars' tag cloud?
18:16 <+perlDreamer> HTML::TagCloud
18:17 <+perlDreamer> which is called from WebGUI::Keywords, I believe
18:20 < ckotil> any documentation about it? Template variable I need to call to use it?
18:21 <+perlDreamer> certain assets will provide a tagcloud
18:21 <+perlDreamer> like the Wiki, and the Story Archive
18:21 <+perlDreamer> it's not available just anywhere
18:21 < ckotil> ah.
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18:29 < mducharme-work> are there any new storymanger templates since 7.7.20?
18:33 <+perlDreamer> story topic changes in .21 and .31
18:33 <+perlDreamer> you'd have to go through the changelog and/or bug list to see exactly what/why
18:34 < mducharme-work> ok
18:35 < mducharme-work> I"m just trying to determine if I should switch back from my custom templates to the built in ones, in case it looks nicer now or something
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18:39 <+perlDreamer> I wouldn't doubt that the changes are semantic in nature, and not cosmetic
18:41 < mducharme-work> ok
18:42 < mducharme-work> b/c that's one thing that would be nice for storymanager, is a cosmetic overhaul :)
18:42 <+perlDreamer> You're preaching to the choir, brother
18:54 < mducharme-work> (I would do it myself, but I am really not that great at "look and feel" stuff)
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20:59 <+perlDreamer> hola, tavisto
21:00 <@tavisto> hola perlDreamer
21:00 <+perlDreamer> I'm trying to carve out an afternoon for Matrix work, looks like Friday-ish
21:01 <+perlDreamer> did you find out which spam word is the problem?
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21:34 <@Haarg> hmm.  you can't override the defaultValue of a field in the config file.
21:35 <+perlDreamer> in which branch, Haarg?
21:36 <@Haarg> master
21:36 <@Haarg> for form generation
21:36 <@Haarg> more specifically, you can override defaultValue, but it doesn't matter because it will always also supply a value
21:36 <+perlDreamer> also, lrobinson has sent me a bugfix for Assets which have custom getEditForm code that allows config file overrides to work on them
21:37 <@Haarg> and if there is no value, it uses the defaultValue from the definition, not the config file
21:37 <+perlDreamer> sounds like a bug
21:38 < SDuensin> Ok, this is completely off topic in here, but your names all start with "perl" ...  Anybody use Win32::OLE to do ADO?
21:39 <+perlDreamer> SDuensin, you know how much time we spend on windows, regardless of that are names say :)
21:39 <@Haarg> closest i've gotten to that is using DBD::ODBC against a MSSQL server
21:40 < SDuensin> Figured I might get lucky.  One of you may have a horrible side gig.  :-)
21:40 <@Haarg> what kind of problem are you having?
21:40 <@Haarg> i've also done ADO via VBA and VBS/JS
21:40 < SDuensin> How in the Wide Wide World of Sports do you determine column names?!
21:42 <@Haarg> on a recordset?
21:42 < SDuensin> Yea
21:42 < SDuensin> I did a Dumper($rs) and that just runs you out of memory because the dumb thing is recursive.
21:42 <@Haarg> don't they have a Fields property?
21:43 < SDuensin> Not a useful one.
21:43 <@Haarg> how so?
21:44 < SDuensin> It says:  'Fields' => bless({ 'Count' => 4, 'Item' => undef }, 'Win32::OLE')
21:45 <@Haarg> i wouldn't really expect Data::Dumper to be able to dump Win32::OLE stuff properly
21:45 < SDuensin> I also tried blindly printing things like $rs->Field(0)->Name.  No dice.  Apparently $rs->Field(0) is undefined.
21:46 <@Haarg> http://search.cpan.org/~jdb/Win32-OLE-0.1709/lib/Win32/OLE/Enum.pm
21:47 <@Haarg> try using that on $rs->Fields
21:47 < SDuensin> Reading.
21:47 <@Haarg> $rs->Fields should be a collection
21:48 <@Haarg> and the individual fields should have ->Name among other things
21:48 <+perlDreamer> Data::Dumper is supposed to handle recursion
21:49 < SDuensin> perlDreamer: I set it's maxdepth to keep it from blowing up.
21:49 <+perlDreamer> maybe it's just a really big structure
21:50 < SDuensin> YES!  Haarg, you rock.  I've been googling for the last hour!
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22:20 <@tavisto> perlDreamer, Friday sounds good. I'll see if I can generate a list of things for ya. I've actually got 2 emails regarding the search and sort functions today
22:20 <@tavisto> I did not find the spam word so I do think that is a bug
22:33 <+perlDreamer> it may not be related to spam at all
22:33 <+perlDreamer> which would be even worse
22:33 <+perlDreamer> in any case, I think we should queue them up and deal with them one at a time
22:33 <+perlDreamer> starting with why there are tons of pending commits, and then spam issues, and then these others
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22:45 <+perlDreamer> is there a good way to benchmark different SQL queries?
22:46 <+perlDreamer> I found a way to drop a clause from getLineageSql, which seems like it would be faster
22:46 <+perlDreamer> but it would be nice to make sure
23:03 < ckotil> there's a benchmark sweet for sql
23:03 < ckotil> mysql
23:03 < ckotil> but maybe just using time would work? be easier.
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01:21 <+perlDreamer> I need to start a wiki page with the tests that are passing for wg8
01:28 <+perlDreamer> apparently t/Asset/Asset*.t passes, except for AssetExportHtml
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02:21 < CIA-50> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r1736b48 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Update Article for Moose - http://bit.ly/ce9rH7
02:21 < CIA-50> webgui: Colin Kuskie static_definition * r13d0289 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Article.pm : Moose accessors. Convert part of update code into a trigger on storageId. - http://bit.ly/bjfrXB
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03:03 <+perlDreamer> that commit doesn't help the failing test, but it makes AssetExportHtml use the right constructors
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04:33 < CIA-50> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r77fc92d / sbin/testEnvironment.pl : Fix module name typo in testEnvironment.pl - http://bit.ly/99iNDH
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23:53 < elnino> I have a WebGUI::Operation::Cron::www_runCronJob[295] - Could not create wo
23:53 < elnino> rkflow instance for workflowId 'pbworkflow000000000007'  how do I get rid of that error? and what is it? I'll write a wiki so I dn't have to ask again.
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00:37 < elnino> ok. I found http://www.webgui.org/wgtv/logging, but I think this only pertains to webgui.log?
00:45 < elnino> I see. I looked in modperl.conf - I'll write a wiki
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03:36 < carogray> I am finally getting round to using a snippet Diona sent me! It's working fantastically, but I have a few questions - what does it mean when there are two ; in a row
03:36 < carogray> ?
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