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00:52 < CIA-53> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rbd66779 / (4 files): Macro test maintenance, up through Page.t - http://bit.ly/1zdQ0v
00:52 < CIA-53> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r1c536f9 / lib/WebGUI/Operation/Group.pm : Fix syntax errors in Operation/Group - http://bit.ly/4AEFzQ
00:52 < CIA-53> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r933598b / (4 files): Macro test maintenance, up through Page.t - http://bit.ly/3WjRFV
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04:01 < CIA-53> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r7154833 / (11 files): Done with Macro test maintenance. - http://bit.ly/2L75aD
04:02 < CIA-53> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r8ba01ef / (10 files): Done with Macro test maintenance. - http://bit.ly/47LN20
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04:06 <+perlDreamer> Happy Halloween, fellow Gooey-ians!
04:06 <+perlDreamer> Gooeyites?
04:06 <+perlDreamer> hm
05:05 < topsub> Hey,
05:05 < topsub> I'm getting http://webgui.pastebin.com/m20b4a95 after i restarted my server and tried to boot everything
05:05 < topsub> Any idea?
05:05 <+perlDreamer> Don't restart your server?
05:05 < topsub> doh!
05:05 <+perlDreamer> you need to specify a pid file
05:05 <+perlDreamer> in spectre.conf
05:06 <+perlDreamer> so that spectre knows where to write the PID file
05:06 < topsub> but i guess i never had to do that before, why is it showing up now?
05:06 <+perlDreamer> because it's new :P
05:06 < topsub> what is a pid?
05:06 <+perlDreamer> Process ID
05:06 <+perlDreamer> kind of like httpd.pid
05:06 <+perlDreamer> mysql.pid
05:06 < topsub> do i need to just create a blank file and point it to it?
05:06 <+perlDreamer> spectre now uses a PID file for starting and stopping
05:07 <+perlDreamer> no, in spectre.conf, you need to tell spectre where to write the PID file that it wants to use
05:07 < topsub> do we have docs about this so i can catch up on this? haha
05:07 <+perlDreamer> it's in the gotcha.txt file
05:07 < topsub> I never upgraded
05:07 < topsub> ah. i didn't change my file system back
05:07 < topsub> must have tried to started changing the files
05:07 < topsub> remember it keep crashing so i left it for now
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16:46 < CIA-53> webgui: khenn master * r3958a36 / (4 files in 4 dirs): bug fixes: start date is returned in UTC instead of the proper time zone, meta data fields are not properly returned to the template - http://bit.ly/3SFOXK
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11:48 < luke> hi. what's the best way to upgrade (source install) from 7.6.35 to the latest 7.7? can i do it directly?
12:09 <+BartJol> I would read the gotchas first
12:10 <+BartJol> but I believe I saw a bugfix that should make it possible to go to 7.7.24 (not 23), luke
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12:12 <+BartJol> luke: http://github.com/plainblack/webgui/blob/v7.7.24/docs/gotcha.txt
12:13 < luke> thanks BartJol. i'll give it a go.
12:15 <+BartJol> luke there are quite some template changes, so checking the changelog might be wise too
12:20 < luke> i noticed that
12:32 <+BartJol> too late?
12:38 < luke> nono. i'm still procrastinating.
12:48 <+BartJol> aah very wise
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15:55 <+BartJol> mmm, it seems that in the template help, the event asset reports untruly that the synopsis variable is present
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17:12 < CIA-53> webgui: Graham Knop master * r35d1fc9 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/AssetAspect/RssFeed.pm): fixed: RSS feeds generated with incorrect link for channel - http://bit.ly/1wqRNY
17:12 < SDuensin> Morning all.
17:13 <+BartJol> morning
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18:03 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, the RssFeed bug fix broke a test.  I'm going to backport your patch and the test fix now, so I don't forget to backport the test patch later
18:03 <@Haarg> oop, sorry, was going to check tests but wanted to get it committed quickly.
18:04 <+perlDreamer> no sweat
18:04 < CIA-53> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rc017926 / t/Asset/Wobject/EventManagementSystem.t : Add the eventMetaData template variable back to the test. - http://bit.ly/1DFazi
18:04 < CIA-53> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rfcab301 / t/AssetAspect/RssFeed.t : Update RssFeed test. - http://bit.ly/2aJIaU
18:04 < CIA-53> webgui: Graham Knop webgui-7.7 * r44b05b2 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/AssetAspect/RssFeed.pm): fixed: RSS feeds generated with incorrect link for channel - http://bit.ly/aLwoS
18:04 < CIA-53> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r5186799 / t/AssetAspect/RssFeed.t : Update RssFeed test. - http://bit.ly/1VmRd4
18:05 <+perlDreamer> tavisto: If I fix this Shop bug now, can you have the user try to check out again?
18:06 <@tavisto> I can reply to their email and tell them to do so
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18:41 <+perlDreamer> tavisto, please make him do so
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18:43 <@tavisto> ok perlDreamer will do
18:48 <+BartJol> is there a reason that userdefined tmpl_vars are  not included for the storymanager?
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18:49 <+BartJol> ah, dreamersgirl is in her class again
18:50 < dreamersgirl> :)
18:50 < dreamersgirl> We're learning about opioids....
18:51 <+BartJol> doesn't sound simple
18:51 <+perlDreamer> BartJol: it doesn't have any to include?
18:52 <+BartJol> perlDreamer: yeah, but that is chicken-egg stuff
18:53 <+BartJol> I mean, why aren't they included as a feature in that whole manger
18:53 <+perlDreamer> they weren't in the spec
18:53 <+BartJol> ah
18:53 <+BartJol> so that would be an rfe
18:53 <+perlDreamer> definitely
18:57 <+BartJol> als filed
18:57 <+BartJol> and
19:00 <+BartJol> perlDreamer: so I can just leave that use_ok check out of the test, cool
19:00 <+BartJol> ?
19:00 <+perlDreamer> yeah
19:01 <+BartJol> well, let's rip it out and push it again, and then only 6 macros are completely without tests (or should we include the ones with only a use_ok test in that list......)
19:02 <+perlDreamer> yeah, I wasn't sure about separating them into categories like that
19:02 <+perlDreamer> but as long as everything is tested in the end
19:06 < CIA-53> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r74f7038 / lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm : Fix a bad comment. - http://bit.ly/1mwnPs
19:06 < CIA-53> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rb6f4f73 / lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm : Fix a bad comment. - http://bit.ly/1aW0O3
19:06 < CIA-53> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * re9b11c5 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Navigation can use the default Asset getEditForm controls. Fixes bug #11188 - http://bit.ly/1fgJdb
19:06 < CIA-53> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r301763e / (2 files in 2 dirs): Navigation can use the default Asset getEditForm controls. Fixes bug #11188 - http://bit.ly/cdCD
19:06 <+BartJol> ok that is 1 then
19:07 <+BartJol> have fun merging
19:07 <+perlDreamer> I'll ship you the karma after I merge
19:07 <+BartJol> well, hold your horses, I intended to do more
19:08 <+perlDreamer> ah, but every time I give someone karma, I can post about it
19:08 <+perlDreamer> hopefully more people will sign up for test writing
19:08 <+perlDreamer> and then we'll have a whole herd of testers
19:08 <+BartJol> well, ok
19:08 <+perlDreamer> not that I want to give you competition or anything
19:08 <+BartJol> just give the next one, otherwise I have to choose
19:09 <+perlDreamer> it's first come, first serve
19:09 <+perlDreamer> which means you can pick the one that is easiest to test :)
19:09 <+BartJol> I already did
19:10 <+perlDreamer> I would pick StorageUrl next
19:10 <+BartJol> ok
19:11 <+BartJol> since I don't have any internet, I'll try to do that one tonight and post it tomorrow
19:11 <+perlDreamer> ah, yeha
19:11 <+perlDreamer> yeah
19:11 <+perlDreamer> no internet at Chez Jol
19:11 <+perlDreamer> is that something that is planned?
19:11 <+BartJol> no, only wireless woth passwords
19:12 <+BartJol> yeah my whole neighbourhoud put on security when I moved there
19:12 <+BartJol> it was a big operation
19:13 <+BartJol> and if I really feel like it, I might continue with a contenthandler, those are badly tested too
19:13 <+perlDreamer> yes
19:13 <+perlDreamer> most are not tested at all
19:13 <+perlDreamer> in fact, large pieces of WebGUI are not tested
19:13 <+perlDreamer> this is bad
19:13 <+BartJol> except 2 or three, including the very nice SetLanguage test
19:13 <+perlDreamer> SetLanguage is a gem
19:14 <+BartJol> :P
19:16 <+perlDreamer> for testing, I've been using this photo: http://imagebin.ca/view/5pFt3oTl.html
19:17 <+BartJol> ah, me will use this one http://blogs.bootsnall.com/pesta/archives/Peru/4.%20guinea%20pig.jpg
19:18 <+perlDreamer> mmm, french fries
19:18 <+perlDreamer> were you at the WUC where they served the pig for the luau, BartJol?
19:18 <+BartJol> no :(
19:18 <+BartJol> in vegas?
19:18 <+BartJol> or chicago>
19:18 <+perlDreamer> Vegas
19:19 <+BartJol> sounds like vegas
19:19 <+BartJol> no, only Madison WUC's for me
19:21 <+BartJol> mmmm, more than a million image results on fried guinea pig, it is a strange world, but all those pictures are making me hungry, so later
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19:22 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, preaction, fellow WebGUI folk, lend me your ears
19:22 <@Haarg> ?
19:22 <+perlDreamer> why is it that editing controls are not displayed when an Image Asset is AssetProxied?
19:24 <+perlDreamer> it appears to be designed in
19:24 <@Haarg> it's meant for if it is used in a design the toolbar doesn't get in the way
19:24 <@Haarg> according to rizen
19:25 <+perlDreamer> that makes sense
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19:26 < SDuensin> Interesting logic.  Just turning on admin mode usually trashes my layouts.  :-(
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19:43 < CIA-53> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r3768984 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Macro/AssetProxy.pm): Update the POD for the AssetProxy macro, re the displaying of edit controls. Fixes bug #11189 - http://bit.ly/3IGBqS
19:43 < CIA-53> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rdee0954 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Macro/AssetProxy.pm): Update the POD for the AssetProxy macro, re the displaying of edit controls. Fixes bug #11189 - http://bit.ly/4058sA
19:43 <+perlDreamer> Yay, Joeri!
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19:58 < SDuensin> Perl on Windows is compiled poop.
19:59 <+perlDreamer> s/Perl on//;
19:59 < SDuensin> That's the truth.
19:59 < SDuensin> They don't give me a real computer at work.
20:00 < SDuensin> All I want is an updated CPAN.  Is that asking too much?
20:00 <+perlDreamer> are you using Strawberry Perl?
20:01 < SDuensin> Cygwin
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20:51 < CIA-53> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rbaf9f3c / (4 files in 4 dirs): Make a synopsis field available to the Event edit form. Fixes bug #11190 - http://bit.ly/MuKor
20:51 < CIA-53> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r70d3d63 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Calendar.pm : Remove debug code from Calendar. - http://bit.ly/2TNfAK
20:51 < CIA-53> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r3ebd8f9 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Make a synopsis field available to the Event edit form. Fixes bug #11190 - http://bit.ly/3gRW2U
20:53 < CIA-53> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r9b94516 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Calendar.pm : Remove debug code from Calendar. - http://bit.ly/3ZgNeS
21:06 < topsub> Is there a way to import subscribers into webgui's Newsletter asset?
21:06 <+perlDreamer> not through the user interface
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21:07 < topsub> Would i have to do straight sql?
21:07 < topsub> Is that what you mean?
21:07 < topsub> Or write a script?
21:07 <+perlDreamer> yeah
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21:08 < topsub> Script would be best way you think?
21:08 <+perlDreamer> yes
21:09 <+perlDreamer> see setUserSubscriptions in Asset/Wobject/Collaboration/Newsletter.pm
21:17 < topsub> ah, nice thanks!
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21:37 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, do you happen to have that benchmark data for isIn vs grep vs first laying around?
21:37 <@Haarg> nope
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22:38 < ckotil> can i gracefully restart modproxy using apachectl like so? '/data/wre/prereqs/bin/apachectl -f /data/wre/etc/modproxy.conf graceful'
22:41 <@Haarg> yes
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22:43 < ckotil> sweet. needs +k too, but thanks.
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02:19 <+perlDreamer> awfully quiet today
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02:52 < daviddelikat> perlDreamer: are you going to be on later? and have a minute to look at something for me?
02:53  * perlDreamer will be on until late tonight my time
02:53 <+perlDreamer> which is tomorrow your time
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02:55 < daviddelikat> I'm about to take a sort break for a ~late~ dinner and then try to fix the formatting on the EMS
02:56 < daviddelikat> its doing that thing where WG sends unproccessed pages out. so that they do not have correct formatting
02:57 < daviddelikat> anytime you feel lilkt peeking at it http://delikat.homeip.net:8080/ with the default password
02:57 < daviddelikat> look at the submission queue -> the three links on top of the datatable.
02:58 < daviddelikat> also let me know how it works for firefox.  AFAIK it only works in safari.
02:58 < daviddelikat> I'll be back in about fifteen.  I appretiate any input you can give.
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03:22 <+perlDreamer> I'm getting called for dinner, too.  I'll be back in a while
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04:29 < CIA-53> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r1eeb76e / (3 files in 3 dirs): newByLineage should log its own error. Fixes bug #11192 - http://bit.ly/28faVU
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05:00 <+perlDreamer> hey, patspam!
05:00 <+perlDreamer> How are you doing?
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05:35 <+perlDreamer> daviddelikat: this is what I've found
05:36 <+perlDreamer> the DataForm on the view submission queue page just sits and spins.  Doesn't seem to load anything.
05:36 <+perlDreamer> The new submission form is streaming a bunch of HTML down the line.  The hoverhelp isn't being rendered because it has to be done with javascript, creating a new tooltip for each one.
05:37 <+perlDreamer> A macro is rendered on the bottom of the Add Submission page
05:38 <+perlDreamer> the link "the first one", looks like it brings up a filled in Add Submission form page.
05:39 <+perlDreamer> same broken International macro
05:39 <+perlDreamer> When I click on Add Submission Form, it throws an error of some kind.
05:39  * perlDreamer has to do some shopping, be back soon
05:39 < daviddelikat> k thanks for the notes
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06:53 < daviddelikat> back in he mornin
06:54 <+perlDreamer> 'night
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16:14 < daviddelikat> So I got tired of Firefox... and now I'm developing in Safari
16:14 < daviddelikat> but it is giving me this error:
16:14 < daviddelikat> resource interpreted as other...
16:14 < daviddelikat> and the file appears to be empty
16:18 <+BartJol> well, I do that to, when someone sends me a file, I read another and say that I don't get it :)
16:18 <+BartJol> but what kind off file?
16:21 <+BartJol> daviddelikat: I do have konqueror, so I might check it out
16:22 <+BartJol> even got safari on my other box
16:22 < daviddelikat> well, I realized as I was typinh in IRC that I had not yet googled the message
16:22 < daviddelikat> so I did that
16:22 < daviddelikat> and found that it seems to be GASP ~a bug~ in Safari...
16:22 < daviddelikat> so I'm upgrading
16:23 <+BartJol> ah, at first I would guess wrong url copied or version tag not committed :)
16:23 < daviddelikat> its a js faile in extras
16:23 < daviddelikat> s/faile/file/
16:23 < daviddelikat> so if anything it would be mod_proxy
16:23 <+BartJol> well
16:23 <+BartJol> not per se
16:24 < daviddelikat> and come to think of it I think I'll restart it
16:24 < daviddelikat> how so?
16:24 <+BartJol> extras is also a urlhandler
16:24 <+BartJol> might go something wrong there too, would be strange
16:24 <+BartJol> but not impossible
16:24 < daviddelikat> whats a 'urlhandler'?
16:25 <+BartJol> well,, look into your webgui conf at urlHandler
16:25 <+BartJol> you'll find some
16:25 < daviddelikat> so its an asset or perl object of some kind
16:25 <+BartJol> yeah
16:25 <+BartJol> the last
16:26 <+BartJol> if a call comes to webgui, it first checks the urlHandlers
16:26 <+BartJol> and handles them in the right order
16:39 < JDanPl> BartJol: greate! You explained how webgui manage with URL's. Thanks.
16:40 <+BartJol> ehh with that short description?
16:40 <+BartJol> it is only the first step :)
16:41 <+BartJol> I made a contentHandler, so I had to understand it
16:41 < JDanPl> Yes, but I know now where is begining
16:41 <+BartJol> ah
16:41 <+BartJol> in the dev book there is a nice diagram of that
16:42 < JDanPl> I have to order this book. 
16:43 <+BartJol> the contenthandlers work almost the same (so order in conf is important)
16:44 <+BartJol> so if no special case in urlhandling, it is content, then it checks whether it is a contenthandler, if yes->execute, if not->retrieve normal content
16:45 < JDanPl> So contentHandlers represents some actions
16:45 <+BartJol> I can do a presentation at the wuc next year: WebGUI::TheShortWay
16:45 <+BartJol> yes, like turning admin on
16:45 <+BartJol> mostly it changes some session properties
16:45 <+BartJol> I believe
16:46 <+BartJol> or allows you to add assets
16:47 <+BartJol> stuff like that
16:47 <+BartJol> or set your session language (in 7.8.3)
16:48 <+BartJol> just check the contentHandler order for that
16:48 <+BartJol> also in the conf
16:50 < JDanPl> ok, I see
16:50 <+BartJol> JDanPl: I had to dive into that with the language stuff. You wanna change it, but if you do that with a macro, that is executed when the page has almost rendered, so you have to do that before retrieving content
16:56 < JDanPl> BartJol: I made a couple of simple macros. For example WebGUI::Macro::GroupIdTextUp which is extension to WebGUI::Macro::GroupeText. Can I send it at first to you?
16:56 <+BartJol> sure
16:57 <+BartJol> what do you want me to do with it?
16:58 < JDanPl> Check is it worth public and is it good prepared 
16:58 <+BartJol> ah, ok
16:59 <+BartJol> just e-mail me the file, tell what you want to do with it (should be clear from the POD) and what you would use it for
16:59 <+BartJol> actually, if it passes the normal use test, it might be worthwhile to write a test for it
17:00 <+BartJol> but let's not go too fast
17:00 < JDanPl> How I can gain your emai? I don't see at sources
17:00 <+BartJol> even my smiley macro is downloaded
17:00 <+BartJol> you should have another open tab in your im client now
17:11 <+BartJol> ok, perlsyntax = ok
17:11 <+BartJol> that is a first important step
17:11 < JDanPl> Perl is my home 
17:11 < JDanPl> from many yers ;-)
17:11 <+BartJol> but often we shift all parameters in to a variable
17:12 <+BartJol> to keep them tracked
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17:14 < JDanPl> hm... there macros expect varius number of params
17:14 <+BartJol> JDanPl: it might be me, but I thought 0 was a valid value, and so the !$param statement seems odd
17:14 < JDanPl> yes, you are right
17:15 <+BartJol> het thenm in an array first and stuff them in a hash
17:15 <+BartJol> I did that with mu languagepageswitch, it is on the bazaar
17:15 <+BartJol> almost the same handling of that hash
17:16 <+BartJol> except for what you're actually doing
17:26 <+BartJol> JDanPl: group Id 3 is not recognised
17:26 <+BartJol> which is strange
17:26 <+BartJol> it exists
17:27 <+BartJol> and I am in it as admin
17:27 <+BartJol> for the groupidtextup macro
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17:31 <+BartJol> mmm and the other gives a strange error: Macro has no process sub: WebGUI::Macro::GroupTextUp. which it has....
17:32 < JDanPl> It's strange. In my instance of WebGUI it works corrctly. I have to check it
17:33 <+BartJol> well, it might be my install
17:33 <+BartJol> It was more glancing
17:33 <+BartJol> so I guess I did something wrong
17:34 < JDanPl> juts moment
17:35 <+BartJol> it is called, so I put it in the right dir and I got the name right in the conf
17:36 < JDanPl> Simple test ^GroupIdTextUp('3','Group 3','1','Group 1'); showd me macro works right
17:38 <+BartJol> mmm, then I did something, let's have a look
17:42 <+BartJol> mmm, it parses, so that is good
17:47 < JDanPl> I concern that spliting array to hash does not guarantee former order. For example foreach my $language (keys %assetsLanguage) { not always run in the same order
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17:48 <+BartJol> that is correct, since it is an hash
17:49 < JDanPl> In macro GroupIdTextUp order of params is important. 
17:49 <+BartJol> ok
17:49 <+BartJol> then leave it in the array and just shift out 2 in each loop
17:50 < JDanPl> ok
17:50 <+BartJol> the use use of @_ is very nice perl, but maybe not better readable
18:01 <+BartJol> do you have it in a custom dir?
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18:02 <+BartJol> I do, dunno why, but it can make a difference
18:02 <+perlDreamer> BartJol, you ready for a merge?
18:02 <+BartJol> sorry perlDreamer didn't come around to that testing yesterday
18:02 <+perlDreamer> no sweat
18:02 <+BartJol> well, I did make a fork
18:03 <+BartJol> but after that something was a bit strange
18:03 <+BartJol> and I had to do other stuff
18:03 <+BartJol> so unfortunately, no
18:03 <+BartJol> let's have a look
18:04 <+BartJol> did you already did something with that BackToSite stuff? otherwise it is useless to look at it now
18:05 <+perlDreamer> I haven't done anything  yet.
18:05 <+perlDreamer> From your email this morning, I thought you might have started some new test
18:05 <+perlDreamer> which means merging would get me partially done code
18:05 <+perlDreamer> which is like eating half cooked pannenkoeken
18:06 <+BartJol> that might be true at the moment
18:06 <+BartJol> or cooked haring
18:08 <+BartJol> at this moment I'm getting used to working with that fork
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18:26 <+perlDreamer> morning, tavisto
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18:33 <@tavisto> yo pD
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18:55 < daviddelikat> so what is it in template processing that determines whether macros are processed or not?
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18:55 <@Haarg> macros aren't processed as part of the template processing
18:56 <@Haarg> they are processed on output
18:57 <@Haarg> there are some cases where they are processed aside from output, but those are handled by the individual components, not as part of template processing
18:57 < daviddelikat> whats the switch that turns it on or off? 
18:57 <@Haarg> in what case?
18:57 < daviddelikat> I have a macro that is not being' translated'
18:57 < daviddelikat> how many cases are there?
18:58 <@Haarg> when you are outputting content, you can tell it not to process macros
18:58 <@Haarg> that isn't done in a lot of places though
18:58 <@Haarg> what is the case you are dealing with?
18:58 < daviddelikat> I'm returning some JSON that contains HTML 
18:59 < daviddelikat> do I need to run it through Macro processing manually?
18:59 <@Haarg> you'll have to manually process the macros
19:00 < daviddelikat> thanks
19:01 < daviddelikat> I don't know why I didn't think of that myself
19:01 <@Haarg> if the mime type is set to something that isn't text/ it disables macro parsing
19:02 <@Haarg> because you can't do automatic macro parsing on json content
19:05 < daviddelikat> Haarg: do you know what JS needs to run in order to get hoverHelp rendered correctly?
19:07 <@Haarg> the hoverhelp stuff is all in www/extras/hoverHelp.js.  it's been a while so i don't know exactly what you need to do for stuff added after page load
19:11 <+perlDreamer> it's evil, evil bug day
19:14 < daviddelikat> is there any other kind of bug?
19:14 <+perlDreamer> yeah, there are cute fluffy little bugs that take 3.5 minutes to fix
19:14 < daviddelikat> I like to call those 'typos
19:14 <+perlDreamer> so far, I've had the 0 ne 0 bug, the duplicate database property bug and the perl array autovivifaction bug.
19:25 < CIA-53> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rd852602 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Shop/Pay.pm): 
19:25 < CIA-53> webgui: Fix small number handling in the Shop. Fixes bug #11195
19:25 < CIA-53> webgui: Format the number to be checked against 0.00 in Shop/Pay.pm, since sometimes perl
19:25 < CIA-53> webgui: will leave small remainders when subtracting numbers. - http://bit.ly/qzsmK
19:25 < CIA-53> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r16f6aa4 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Shop/Pay.pm): 
19:25 < CIA-53> webgui: Fix small number handling in the Shop. Fixes bug #11195
19:25 < CIA-53> webgui: Format the number to be checked against 0.00 in Shop/Pay.pm, since sometimes perl
19:25 < CIA-53> webgui: will leave small remainders when subtracting numbers. - http://bit.ly/rMeAd
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21:03 < ecopunk> I have a quick question... Is there any way to give a group permission to edit templates (New Content > Utilities > Templates) without putting them in the Admin group?
21:06 <+perlDreamer> ecopunk, by default all templates are owned by the group called Turn Admin On
21:07 <+perlDreamer> but I've never seen that menu you're talking about
21:09 < ecopunk> Hmmm... There must be a change in the setup I'm working with, as I've already tried placing the user in that group to no avail.
21:09 <+perlDreamer> let me double check, I could wrong
21:09 <+perlDreamer> It's a day that ends in Y
21:10 <+perlDreamer> I've checked 1 Article Template, and it's owned by Turn Admin On
21:11 <+perlDreamer> excuse me, not owned by, but Group To Edit is Turn Admin On
21:12 <+perlDreamer> now, adding a template is different from editing a template
21:12 <+perlDreamer> is that what you mean
21:14 < daviddelikat> preaction: do you happen to know how to get initHoverHelp to work from other places?
21:16 <+perlDreamer> daviddelikat, I think patspam or perlmonkey2 knows how to do that
21:16 <+perlDreamer> they've shipped stuff across XHR/JSON requests for the Survey
21:16 < daviddelikat> very good, are they around?
21:16 <+perlDreamer> don't know, but looking through the Survey JS would be a good place to start
21:17 <+perlDreamer> also, you could look at the Thingy, since it dynamically builds the forms to add new fields to a Thingy
21:17 <+perlDreamer> and, iirc, it has hoverhelp
21:17 < daviddelikat> I've looked through it a bit, but there is something alluding me
21:17 <+perlDreamer> eluding
21:18 < daviddelikat> I inserted the call but the function is not found at the call point
21:18 < daviddelikat> yes that
21:22 < ecopunk> perlDreamer: Yes. Or perhaps I should say create a new template.
21:22 <+perlDreamer> creating any new asset can only be done from a place where the current user has edit privileges
21:23 <+perlDreamer> so if they can't edit the current page/asset/whatever, they won't be able to add a new template
21:24 <+perlDreamer> for example, in a new install, all assets are owned by Admin, and editable by the group Content Managers
21:24 <+perlDreamer> except for the home page, which is owned by Admin, and editable by Admins
21:24 <+perlDreamer> which seems kind of screwy
21:27 <+perlDreamer> and checking further, it's pretty random as to the group editing privileges on the default content
21:28 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, should those be made consistent?
21:28 <+perlDreamer> select a.assetId, title, d.groupIdEdit, d.ownerUserId from asset as a join assetData as d using (assetId) where lineage like '000001000002%';
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21:33 <+perlDreamer> it is not going to be pretty
21:33 < jnegative> at least you're going.  more than most can say
21:34 < daviddelikat> patspam or perlmonkey2: I'm having trouble with initializing hover help after a JSON transfer
21:36 < daviddelikat> Haarg: I don't suppose you've recently added a 'grep' function for searching packages in wgd?
21:36 <@Haarg> wgd ls --filter may do what you want
21:37 <@Haarg> i haven't really used it - patspam wrote it
21:37 < daviddelikat> I'll look at it
21:39 < daviddelikat> I really want to look inside templates for some text
21:39 < daviddelikat> is there any way to dump the whole thing to disk?
21:41 <@Haarg> wgd export-branch
21:42 < daviddelikat> is that a new command?  I don't seem to have it here.
21:43 <@Haarg> relatively new, yes
21:43 < daviddelikat> I figured it out
21:44 < daviddelikat> dash not underscore
21:49 < ecopunk> perlDreamer: Weird, still can't get it to work. Thanks, though... You gave me a few more ideas to try.
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23:32 <+perlDreamer> daviddelikat: you can also look at docs/create.sql, but it's not easy
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01:53 <+perlDreamer> in YUI, can a button have more than 1 listener for an event?
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03:21 < daviddelikat> I figured out what I was missing for hoverhelp...
03:21 < daviddelikat> it was the hoverhelp style sheet!
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06:57 <+perlDreamer> that's right folks, you saw it here first
06:57 <+perlDreamer> WebGUI now has a UPS shipping driver
07:20 < CIA-53> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rbc0a774 / docs/create.sql : Preparing for 7.8.3 release. - http://bit.ly/mObO1
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08:16 <+perlDreamer> thanks, Radix_
08:16 <+Radix_> It's about all I do anymore I'm afraid ;(
08:16 <+perlDreamer> No more webgui work?
08:17 <+Radix_> nah, no time these days..
08:17 <+perlDreamer> that's a bummer man
08:17 <+Radix_> we're still using 7.0.8 here at work and I haven't had time to go and upgrade it
08:17 <+Radix_> that said.. it's working well still, so can't complain :)
08:18 <+Radix_> About to get married in a few days, so will have even less time for a while ;)
08:18 <+perlDreamer> Congratulations!
08:18 <+Radix_> ta :)
08:20 < CIA-53> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r5ef8252 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.8.4 development cycle. - http://bit.ly/mjzRW
08:39 < CIA-53> webgui: JT Smith master * r33f0383 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/Spectre/Workflow.pm): Fixed a compatibility problem between WRE and new Spectre code. - http://bit.ly/vHmWk
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12:51 <+BartJol> gugod: some connection problems?
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12:53 < CIA-53> WebGUI: translation * r12394 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/Asset_EventManagementSystem.pm: Updating Dutch on translation server
13:09 < CIA-53> WebGUI: translation * r12395 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/ShipDriver_UPS.pm: Updating Dutch on translation server
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13:18 <+BartJol> KlausH: is there a UPS translator for all  that terminilogy?
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16:26 < SDuensin> Good morning.
16:58 <+BartJol> morning
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17:08 < SDuensin> Wow.  I completely do not understand Microsoft.  Their home page proclaims:  "Windows 7 is pretty dope," "...my games partition survived," "after ironing out a few kinks...is my favorite OS."  Gee, glowing endorsements.
17:09 <+BartJol> yeah the faith drips out of it
17:10 < SDuensin> Who decided to put "my games partition *survived*" on the home page?!
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17:12 <+BartJol> I don't know
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17:13 < SDuensin> If I was a developer for them, I'd be hunting that person down.
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17:14 < SDuensin> Can you imagine?  "Hey rizen!  WebGUI 8 didn't destroy my site!" and he puts it on the home page.  :-)
17:14 < daviddelikat> perhaps 'dope' has changed sense, like bad == good
17:14 < SDuensin> Thing is, the "dope" comment is the best one up there!
17:15 < daviddelikat> yeah, I see the rest ow, -- took a while to load the rest... ( slow connetion )
17:15 < SDuensin> The other is happy it didn't destroy his other partition, and the last now likes W7 after he tweaked/fixed it.  Amazing!
17:15 <+BartJol> well, maybe they have a new policy for only talking about windows in understatements...
17:15 < daviddelikat> yeah thats pretty funny
17:16 < daviddelikat> gotta get an image of that...
17:16 < SDuensin> hehe
17:16 < SDuensin> I just checked.  It's a shame my MS buddy isn't online right now.  :-D
17:16 <+BartJol> windows 7, the windows that didn't break all stuff
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17:17 < daviddelikat> I've got screen prints
17:18 < SDuensin> Just amazing.
17:19 < SDuensin> Glad someone got copies.  I'm stuck browserless halfway through an IE8 upgrade.
17:19 <+BartJol> oh, mine went fine
17:19 < daviddelikat> http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/597042/survived%20win%207.jpg
17:19 < SDuensin> (And that's pronounced "Aye-Eeeeeeeeee!")
17:19 < daviddelikat> http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/597042/iron%20win%207.jpg
17:20 < daviddelikat> perhaps I should crop them a bit?
17:20 <+BartJol> nice, that chat window in the background :)
17:21 < SDuensin> What are you chatting with?  I don't recognize it.
17:22 < daviddelikat> pidgin
17:22 < daviddelikat> its pretty nice
17:22 < daviddelikat> even has a facebook plugin
17:22 < SDuensin> Never used it for IRC.  Cool.
17:22 <+BartJol> chatting with pidgin too
17:22 < daviddelikat> I recently found that you can very easily move you settings
17:23 < daviddelikat> just copy the '.purple' folder from application settings
17:23 < SDuensin> I'm taking the scenic route to get here...  Windows->NX->SSH->LinuxBox->XChat->ZNC->IRC.  :-)
17:23 < daviddelikat> wow!
17:24 < SDuensin> My IM path is even worse.  :-)
17:24 < daviddelikat> I don't have that kind of patience
17:25 < SDuensin> But it lets me connect to IRC/IM from anywhere with any IRC client.  I can connect multiple times and all the windows get updated at the same time.  I can disconnect and it buffers what I miss for playback.  I can even get it on my phone.
17:25 < SDuensin> Well, all you'd need is the ZNC part.  It's a bouncer.  For IM, I put Bitlbee behind ZNC.
17:25 < daviddelikat> I've thought about using a VM for my stuff
17:25 < daviddelikat> I already VM my development
17:26 < daviddelikat> so I never have to close my sessions
17:26 < SDuensin> The NX/SSH stuff is how I'm punching through the firewall at work to get to my Linux desktop at home.  It also lets me suspend and resume from elsewhere later.  I've been logged in with XChat running for weeks now.  :-)
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17:27 < SDuensin> It's kind of neat.  It's really shown me how little I rely on OS-specific software for my day-to-day.  The only program I really miss having is 1Password.
17:28 <+BartJol> well, that's considered save by some
17:28 <+BartJol> safe
17:28 < SDuensin> What's safe?
17:28 <+BartJol> more than 1 passwd
17:29 < SDuensin> I mean the Mac app "1Password".
17:29 <+BartJol> ah
17:29 <+BartJol> didn't know that
17:29 < SDuensin> It's a really slick password manager.
17:29 < SDuensin> I just need to find an open source one I like.  Been too lazy since 1P does the job.
17:31 < SDuensin> Here's a nice example of NX being very handy.  Gotta reboot my PC.  But I'm not leaving.  :-)
17:32 <+BartJol> mike, it's amaaaazing
17:32 < daviddelikat> SDuensin: keeppass is open source.  just released 2.?
17:33 < daviddelikat> i'm still on 1.1 so I don't know what the new one looks like
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17:34 < SDuensin> I'll look into it.
17:34 < SDuensin> (See?  All rebooted!)
17:34 < daviddelikat> very nice
17:35 < daviddelikat> http://keepass.info/
17:36 < SDuensin> Mono, eh?  I guess I can live with that.  
17:36 < daviddelikat> one of these days there will be ~real~ portability
17:37 < SDuensin> This box has "seahorse" password and key manager thingie on it.
17:37 < daviddelikat> when people start building apps in LLVM
17:37 < SDuensin> Technology-wise, I like Mono.  Licensing, it's a bit spooky.
17:38 < daviddelikat> LLVM apps you could run the same apps from USB on linux,mac,win and whatever else comes along
17:40 < daviddelikat> I wonder how long it will be before I start seeing Win7 licenses in my E-Scrap...
17:41 < daviddelikat> took less than a year for WinXP
17:41 < SDuensin> Yea, LLVM is neat.  A game engine I've been working on is going to use it to run under Flash.  :-)
17:43 < SDuensin> Parrot looks neat for cross-platform stuff, too.
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17:46 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, I mistyped this: git commit -ac24e4ecc
17:46 <+perlDreamer> and now it won't let me commit anymore
17:46 <+perlDreamer> when I try to commit, it just gives me the standard command line prompt back
17:46 <+perlDreamer> no error  messages
17:46 <+perlDreamer> nada
17:47 <@Haarg> what were you intending to type?
17:47 <@Haarg> and what do you get from git status
17:47 <+perlDreamer> supposed to have typed git commit -ac 24e4ecc
17:48 <+perlDreamer> git st shows nothing unusual: http://gist.github.com/226138
17:48 <+perlDreamer> ah, pre-commit hook tripped
17:49 <+perlDreamer> I redirected all output to dev/null
17:49 <+perlDreamer> because 1500 lines of passing is not good
17:49 < SDuensin> Wish we could direct users there.
17:50 <+perlDreamer> but then they wouldn't pay their bills
17:50 < SDuensin> Half mine don't anyway.  Bastards.
17:54 <+BartJol> strange, tests for SetLanguage also pass with more languages installed, it's amazing
17:55 <+perlDreamer> Nice work, BartJol
17:55 <+BartJol> ah, only the macro fails
17:55 <+BartJol> because 2 sets of tmpl_vars
17:55 <+BartJol> or double loop actually
17:56 <+perlDreamer> well, contact the author and report it as a bug
17:56 <+perlDreamer> the t/International.t installs a fake language pack that you can use to test that behavior
17:57 <+BartJol> I don't like the author
17:57 <+BartJol> he pushes his own so called "features" into the core, without anyone asking but him
17:58 <+perlDreamer> well, that last part may not be true
17:58 <+perlDreamer> As part of WebGUI Statistics, JT collects which macros are enabled on a site
17:58 <+perlDreamer> so, in a few months, you could ask him if anyone is using PickLanguage
17:58 <+BartJol> oh, cool
17:58 <+BartJol> let's bug him right away :)
18:02 <+BartJol> but no-one asked me to do it, oh no that's not true either, bepo wanted something like that, but scared her away, that seems to happen with germans
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18:10 <@Haarg> perlDreamer, is your pre-commit hook using prove?  why can't you just have it run in non-verbose mode?  that would output like 4 lines if there weren't any errors.
18:10 <+perlDreamer> I was using perl for the hook
18:11 <+perlDreamer> a few days ago, I added this to the end: 2>&1
18:11 <+perlDreamer> that was a mistake
18:24 <+perlDreamer> BartJol, is it a good time to merge in your test branch?
18:24 < CIA-53> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r24e4ecc / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix an i18n typo in the EMS. - http://bit.ly/3CvSZ2
18:24 <+BartJol> well, I made a mess of all my git repo's
18:24  * perlDreamer will wait then :)
18:24  * SDuensin still doesn't grok git.
18:25 <+BartJol> I use an account and have 3-4 repo's under it
18:25 <+perlDreamer> git r0Xer$
18:25 < SDuensin> So I hear.
18:25 <+BartJol> except the international and picklange and macrotesting repo's, it's a mess and I need to clean that up
18:26 <+perlDreamer> let me know when you're ready
18:26 <+perlDreamer> SDuensin, here's just 1 killer feature of git.  It's called stash
18:26 <+perlDreamer> let's suppose you're in the middle of working on something
18:27 <+perlDreamer> and you have to drop what you're doing and work on a new project
18:27 <+perlDreamer> in SVN, you'd have to make another checkout
18:27 <+perlDreamer> in git, you say "git stash save"
18:27 <+perlDreamer> and it rolls you back to HEAD, and save all of your work on a stack so you can pop it off later
18:28 < SDuensin> That would be handy.
18:28 <+perlDreamer> it's massively handy
18:28 <+perlDreamer> My stack depth averages 1 on a day to day basis
18:28 < SDuensin> I was just about to ask.  :-)
18:28 <+perlDreamer> patspam++ for clueing me in
18:29  * perlDreamer heads off to a coffeeshop with Mrs Dreamer.  bbiaw
18:29 <+BartJol> coffeeshop....
18:29 < SDuensin> I'm using Redmine for project & source control.  I knew how SVN worked in it.  GIT seems newer in their "support".
18:31 < SDuensin> Food time here.  Back sometime.
18:37 <+BartJol> mmm it seems that I finally got it
18:40 <+BartJol> or that I screwed up, and when my branche is merged, the whole of webgui disappears
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19:31 <+perlDreamer> ahhh, coffeeshop!
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19:49 <+perlDreamer> morning, patspam
19:49 <+perlDreamer> you poor, east coast jetlagged programmer
19:49 <+patspam> hehe
19:49 <+patspam> hey perlDreamer!
19:49 <+patspam> just wired up my poor, jetlagged desktop pc
19:49 <+perlDreamer> is it liking New York?
19:50 <+patspam> it's still acclimatising :)
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19:51 <+patspam> as is my wifi connection
19:52 <+perlDreamer> did you see that I finally got in an ironman post?
19:52 <+perlDreamer> and that someone else blogged about it?
19:52 <+patspam> ooh not yet!
19:53 <+patspam> I'm behind on my rss feeds
19:53 <+perlDreamer> git pre-commit hook for webgui
19:54 <+patspam> sweet, for test suite integration?
19:55 <+perlDreamer> yeah.  although I'm just testing t/00_compile.t
19:56 <+patspam> that's awesome
19:57 <+patspam> man I get so many telemarketing calls here!
19:57 <+perlDreamer> there's a registry called the Do Not Call List.
19:58 <+patspam> heh yeah, just googled it
19:58 <+perlDreamer> also, if they call you, you can tel them, "Please add me to your Do Not Call list and do not call again."
19:58 <+perlDreamer> and they have to do that
19:58 <+perlDreamer> well, at least in Oregon.  Not sure if that's a national law or not
19:58 <+patspam> except they're all pre-recorded messages
19:59 <+perlDreamer> those are illegal in Oregon, too
20:00 <+patspam> I knew i should've moved to Oregon instead
20:01 <+perlDreamer> yeah, except for that whole girlfriend thing...
20:16  * patspam heads out for lunch
20:22 < daviddelikat> how does WG handle the numeric i18n codes?
20:22 <+perlDreamer> davidelikat, the same way it handles stringy i18n codes
20:22 <+perlDreamer> except that you don't have to quote them in perl code
20:23 < daviddelikat> but where are they stored?
20:23 <+perlDreamer> which namespace are they in?
20:23 < daviddelikat> do you need a specific i18n object?
20:23 < daviddelikat> or are they on all of them?
20:23 <+perlDreamer> no, but the i18n objects are created with a default namespace
20:23 <+perlDreamer> so $i18n->get('key') only works if it's in the default namespace for that object
20:24 <+perlDreamer> so, find where the object was instanciated and you'll know what the namespace is
20:24 < daviddelikat> what neamsace are the numeric codes in?
20:24 <+perlDreamer> what do you mean by "numeric code"?
20:24 < daviddelikat> code 99 translates as untitled
20:25 < daviddelikat> what namespace is it in?
20:25 <+perlDreamer> again, you're asking the question backwards
20:25 <+perlDreamer> to know what code 99 is, you have to know the namespace
20:25 <+perlDreamer> since the keys are not globally unique
20:27 < daviddelikat> I understand what you are saying
20:28 < daviddelikat> but I was hoping to find out that there are some standard codes like 'untitled' that are available across the board
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20:28 <+perlDreamer> no, each key is unique to its namespace
20:28 <+perlDreamer> so you have to go digging to find out if they're defined in other namespaces
20:29 <+perlDreamer> that's starting to sound like a good wgd plugin
20:29 <+perlDreamer> wgd i18n key=99
20:29 <+perlDreamer> or wgd i18n search="some value/phrase/regex"
20:29 < daviddelikat> do you know what module implements the i18n object?
20:29 <+perlDreamer> International.pm
20:30 < daviddelikat> ok course, why don't I ever think of that...
20:30 < SDuensin> Anyone see this?  http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=4443
20:31 <+perlDreamer> nope
20:31 < SDuensin> Yet another market for them to half-ass.
20:31 <+perlDreamer> we'll have to see if the code lives up to the projected hype
20:32 <+perlDreamer> but know one thing for sure, it just got harder to sell WebGUI into Microsoft shops
20:32 <+perlDreamer> daviddelikat: key 99 is in the Asset and WebGUI namespaces
20:33 < SDuensin> "Microsoft Shops" worry me.  Too much Kool-Aid drinking going around.
20:33 < daviddelikat> yeah I found it
20:33 <+perlDreamer> and it means Title in both cases
20:33 < daviddelikat> I'm just wondering if I should make my own or use that one.
20:33 <+perlDreamer> use that one
20:34 <+perlDreamer> We have plans to flatten the namespaces in i18n, which will result in a smaller translation pack.
20:34 <+perlDreamer> but for now, it makes the job of the translators easier
20:34 < daviddelikat> sounds like a great idea
20:34 <+perlDreamer> every once in a while, I go through and try to prune out duplicates
20:34 <+perlDreamer> but it's a lot of work
20:35 <+perlDreamer> and it almost guarantees breakage in private code
20:36 < daviddelikat> it would be a good start to have a set of standard items which are imported into all namespaces ( possibly with numeric codes to eliminate problems )
20:36 <+perlDreamer> the importing into all namespaces is a problem
20:37 < daviddelikat> not really:  %target = ( %part1, %part2 );
20:37 < daviddelikat> just make sure that part1 is all text keys and part 2 is all numeric keys
20:38 <+perlDreamer> all of the old, original WebGUI keys are numeric
20:38 <+perlDreamer> but a lot of the newer ones aren't
20:39 < daviddelikat> that is the point
20:39 <+perlDreamer> so you wouldn't get all the useful ones
20:39 < daviddelikat> all the new custom keys are text
20:39 <+perlDreamer> like month and day names
20:40 < daviddelikat> perhaps the get function needs to have a map?
20:41 <+perlDreamer> get was tweaked to make it really fast
20:41 < daviddelikat> like:   return $h1->{key} || $h2->{key} || $h1->{$map{key}}
20:41 <+perlDreamer> since i18n is one of the bottlenecks
20:41 < daviddelikat> i guess that would eliminate many of the ways that would make it handy...
20:42 < daviddelikat> fast and hany dont usually go together
20:42 < daviddelikat> s/hany/handy/
20:42 < daviddelikat> I gotta git back to work
20:43 <+perlDreamer> YES!
20:43 <+perlDreamer> I've fixed the Survey bug
20:44 <+perlDreamer> it was a 1-line fix
20:44 <+perlDreamer> now I have to yard out 50-100 lines of alert and debug code...
20:46 <+perlDreamer> maybe I should check it in IE6, too
20:46 <+perlDreamer> are there any safari-using devs who could check out a JS patch for me?
20:46 <+perlDreamer> wait
20:46 <+perlDreamer> I...
20:47 <+perlDreamer> no, my VM is out of disk space
20:47 <+perlDreamer> still need a safari-using dev
20:47 < daviddelikat> I can peak 
20:47 < daviddelikat> is this a url peak or an install and test peak?
20:47 <+perlDreamer> install and test peek
20:48 < daviddelikat> soryr, no time
20:48 <+perlDreamer> no swet
20:48 <+perlDreamer> sweat
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22:05 <+patspam> perlDreamer: actually i lie, it has a basement.. does that qualify as 2 storeys?
22:05 <+perlDreamer> no
22:05 <+perlDreamer> storeys are above ground
22:06 < daviddelikat> EMS Submissions are functional
22:06 < daviddelikat> WooHoo!
22:06 <+perlDreamer> all right!
22:06 < daviddelikat> its only 1.5 weeks late
22:07 <+perlDreamer> what's the secret sauce for hoverhelp over JSON/XHR?
22:07 < daviddelikat> style sheet
22:07 <+perlDreamer> cool
22:07 < daviddelikat> I had wq-hoverhelp.js but not wq-hoverhelp.css
22:08 < daviddelikat> now I have to get the activity to commit changes...
22:09 < daviddelikat> so if an activity returns 'WAITING' does it come back with the same session?
22:12 <+perlDreamer> no
22:12 <+perlDreamer> if you need persistent data, store it in the Workflow Instance's scratch
22:12 < daviddelikat> I was trying to decide if I should commit when I return waiting or just when I return done
22:13 < daviddelikat> I think it should commit in both cases
22:13 <+perlDreamer> I don't know what you're trying to do, but in most cases "commit" happens way before any kind of post-processing or approval
22:13 < daviddelikat> because there is no particular connection between the items created
22:14 < daviddelikat> the submission is approved, and an EMSTicket record needs to be created
22:14 <+perlDreamer> that sounds like it should be an autocommit
22:15 < daviddelikat> if I process more than one row should I auto commit each row or just at the end?
22:16 <+perlDreamer> think about how a user might want to handle rolling back version tags to undo a commit
22:16 < daviddelikat> ooooh good catch
22:16 < daviddelikat> probably one at a time
22:17 < daviddelikat> thanks
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22:51 < wgGuest72> hi guys
22:51 <@Haarg> greetings
22:51 <@preaction> hi
22:52 < wgGuest72> i am really new to webgui
22:52 < wgGuest72> and am impressed by the sites that is running it right now
22:52 < wgGuest72> want to try it 
22:52 < wgGuest72> but wont install 
22:52 < wgGuest72> any ideas?
22:53 <@preaction> what won't install?
22:53 < wgGuest72> i wanna start off using my wamp server
22:53 <@preaction> debian package? perhaps try the vmware instance?
22:53 <@preaction> ah
22:53 <@preaction> so a source install
22:53 < wgGuest72> yes
22:54 < wgGuest72> am i doing something wrong
22:54 <@preaction> what is happening?
22:54 < wgGuest72> or everything wrong?
22:54 <@preaction> http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/source-install <- here's an.. okay.. document i keep meaning to update
22:55 <+perlDreamer> that document is pretty accurate
22:55 <+perlDreamer> I keep using it with no problems
22:55 < wgGuest72> ok
22:55 < wgGuest72> i will go there right away
22:55 <@preaction> yeah, if you skip the parts about compiling the crap you already have
22:55 <@preaction> it clutters the real instructions, in my opinion
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22:55 <@preaction> start with the big header that says "WebGUI"
22:55 <+perlDreamer> maybe we need a "distribution" install page
22:56 < wgGuest72> oh so perl is required for it to run?
22:56 <+perlDreamer> yes
22:56 <@preaction> yes
22:56 <+perlDreamer> it is not a Java or PHP or .NET application
22:56 <@preaction> it's a mod_perl system
22:57 <@preaction> oh, wait, wamp
22:57 <@preaction> that's windows, no?
22:57 < wgGuest72> yes
22:57 <@preaction> you're going to be better off trying the vmware appliance on http://getwebgui.org
22:57 < wgGuest72> ok wait..i have a web server 
22:58 < wgGuest72> so what files do i need to get it up and running
22:58 <+perlDreamer> running Linux, Unix, Solaris, FreeBSD, MacOS X?
22:58 < wgGuest72> hmm
22:58 <@preaction> do you have command-line access to that web server?
22:58 < wgGuest72> no i havent had a reason to use that
22:59 < wgGuest72> so i guess i have more problems than i thought ..lol
22:59 <@preaction> well, that's really the only one. 
22:59 <@preaction> but vmware player is free, and the vmware appliance is really easy to use
22:59 <+perlDreamer> preaction is right, try the VMWare appliance if you want to try WebGUI on windows
22:59 <@preaction> (you just start it up and then visit the right IP in your web browser)
23:00 <@preaction> otherwise demo.webgui.org works as well
23:00 <@preaction> well, for 24hrs at least
23:00 < xdanger> Translating is hard =)
23:00 <+perlDreamer> if you need help with terms, xdanger, we can help
23:00 <+perlDreamer> and kudos for translating!
23:00 < wgGuest72> hmm 
23:00 < wgGuest72> ok great guys
23:01 < wgGuest72> now these is a community
23:01 < xdanger> perlDreamer: I'm having hard time translating the term Asset. There is now direct translation..
23:02 < xdanger> s/is now/is not/
23:02 <+perlDreamer> How about "resource", or "item" ?
23:03 <@preaction> part?
23:03 <@preaction> object?
23:03 <+perlDreamer> Piece
23:03 <+perlDreamer> we should add those to the context for "Asset" in the main, English i18n
23:04 <@preaction> probably be a good idea
23:04 <+perlDreamer> I'm on it
23:04 <@preaction> but the single word "asset" is everywhere
23:04 <@preaction> but every little bit helps
23:04 <+perlDreamer> have you had a chance to think about the skipNotification thing, preaction?
23:05 < xdanger> item translates too closely to physical object
23:05 <+perlDreamer> that's how we think of them, xdanger
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23:06 < xdanger> but it translates to object, stuff, part
23:06 <+perlDreamer> yes
23:06 < xdanger> it's not something that any finnish will understand
23:06 < xdanger> =)
23:06 <+perlDreamer> ah
23:07 < xdanger> Piece might work..
23:07 <+perlDreamer> in that case, you'll have to pick something that doesn't translate directly, than Finn's will understand.
23:07 < xdanger> Piece/part
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23:07 <@preaction> perlDreamer: no. i got some crappy-looking e-mails that appear to be from the Wiki though, so it at least works
23:07 < xdanger> like a part for the motor
23:08 <+perlDreamer> it works, you just can't ever turn it off
23:09 <@preaction> you mean skipNotification?
23:09 <+perlDreamer> yes
23:09 < CIA-53> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * re20223c / lib/WebGUI/Shop/Pay.pm : Remove debug code. - http://bit.ly/1VKHPz
23:09 < CIA-53> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * ra51d693 / lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset.pm : Better define the word, "Asset" in the i18n. - http://bit.ly/2QkkEp
23:09 < CIA-53> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r0e70378 / lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/ShipDriver_USPS.pm : Clarify how the insurance rate table works. - http://bit.ly/2rYsYd
23:09 <@preaction> setSkipNotification doesn't work?
23:09 <+perlDreamer> maybe you could reread my email?  I described how it's broken in there
23:10 < wgGuest72> guys is the right one
23:10 < wgGuest72> http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/1296
23:10 <@preaction> ah, i haven't been checking e-mail because it means i have to perform the tasks outlined
23:11 <@preaction> wgGuest72: lord no, it's on sourceforge, one sec
23:11 < wgGuest72> ok
23:11 <@preaction> it IS webgui, it's just very very old
23:11 <+perlDreamer> isn't it time to build a new one, for 7.7?
23:11 <@preaction> we have one, just not there
23:11 < wgGuest72> ok
23:12 < xdanger> btw. has anyone implemented a resource reservation system?
23:12 <@preaction> here's one for 7.6, http://sourceforge.net/projects/pbwebgui/files/VMWare%20Appliances/WebGUI%207.6.20%20_%20WRE%200.9.2%20_%20CentOS%205/webgui-7.6.20-wre-0.9.2-centos-5.zip/download
23:12 < wgGuest72> i use inmotionhosting..would anyone know if theysupport web gui
23:12 <@preaction> it's 1.2G, just a warning
23:12 <+perlDreamer> I've planned one, but not built it yet, xdanger
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23:13 < wgGuest72> great..am downloading as we speak
23:14 <+perlDreamer> xdanger, do you want me to email you what I've planned?
23:14 <+perlDreamer> it's fairly rough
23:14 < xdanger> I have a possible client that would require a reservation system for their truck washing service
23:14 < xdanger> sure
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23:17 < wgGuest72> guys i will be back tomorrow..
23:17 < wgGuest72> wanna be part of this community..
23:17 < wgGuest72> thanks for ur help so far
23:18 <+perlDreamer> You're welcome :)
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23:18 <@preaction> bout time we got some props
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23:19 <+perlDreamer> props?  Are those like assets?
23:20 <@preaction> props respect kudos recognition high five mad props
23:26 < SDuensin> Someone needs to warn wgGuest72 that you already have a #1 fan.
23:28 < SynQ> morning
23:28 < SynQ> ;)
23:28 < SynQ> due to frequent requests by some people (patspam, joeri) I'm picking up wre development
23:28 < SynQ> is git version 1.5.6 new enough for me?
23:29 <+patspam> morning SynQ!
23:29 <+perlDreamer> that'll do it, SynQ
23:29 < SynQ> heya patspam 
23:29 < SynQ> how it the usa doing?
23:29 <+patspam> but 1.6.x would be even better
23:30 < SynQ> well
23:30 < SynQ> if I can use the 'out of the box' version
23:30 < SynQ> for debian lenny
23:30 < SynQ> I'm quite satisfied
23:30 <@Haarg> it will work just fine, but whenever i use old versions i run into options that are missing
23:31 <+patspam> yeah me too!
23:31 < SynQ> ubuntu has 1.6.3
23:31 <@Haarg> but the file formats are all compatible
23:31 < SynQ> I doubt I'm going to use very much of the options
23:31 <@preaction> you might be surprised once you find out how useful they are ;)
23:32 < SynQ> ok
23:32 < SynQ> we'll see
23:32 < SynQ> I'll get cracking on wre 0.9.4 then
23:33 < SynQ> since I am not the one who is going to tackle the 64bit stuff 1.x is not for me
23:33 <+perlDreamer> SynQ: will you be addressing the bug that was assigned to you?
23:33 < SynQ> that I will
23:33 < SynQ> and some others too
23:34 <@Haarg> git checkout --track is always the option i miss when using git 1.5.x
23:36 <+perlDreamer> Could someone please curse for me, for about 30 seconds?
23:37 <@preaction> depends on what i'm cursing you for
23:37 <+perlDreamer> for bad error checking, and not writing enough tests
23:38 <@preaction> bah, happens to the best of us
23:38 <@preaction> JT did one just the other day that you fixed, committed without even testing from the UI
23:39 <+perlDreamer> that's why I wrote the git pre-commit hook
23:39 < SynQ> having others curse for you is lame
23:39 <@preaction> i did one a while ago, the email that gets sent out for the wiki has the wrong user
23:39  * perlDreamer will never write another syntax error again that gets committed
23:39 <@preaction> at least, i don't thin... oh wait wait, that was JT that edited that wiki page, hence "Admin"
23:40 <@preaction> or else it was spectre that sent the message
23:40 <@preaction> anyway, i think something's wrong
23:41 < SynQ> perlDreamer: cursing done
23:41 < SynQ> it was hard, but I made it through that 30 seconds
23:41 <+perlDreamer> thanks, man
23:41 <+perlDreamer> I hope Emma didn't have to hear that
23:41 <+perlDreamer> it would blister her tender young ears
23:44 < SynQ> nope
23:44 < SynQ> she is asleep
23:44 < SynQ> so is Tessa
23:45 < SynQ> I have allready updated quite some packages
23:45 < SynQ> like libjpeg wich is now at version 7 (used to be 6b)
23:45 < SynQ> and apache and graphviz
23:47 <+perlDreamer> make sure you add Locales::Country
23:47 <+perlDreamer> and any other new ones from testEnvironment
23:48 < SynQ> I won't do 7.8 requirements in 0.9.4
23:48 < SynQ> for that I will create a different WRE
23:49 < SynQ> right now I'm only updating 0.9.3 to something that isn't broken on my systems
23:49 < SynQ> cause 0.9.3 still uses some system libraries
23:49 < SynQ> which isn't right
23:50 < SynQ> and which makes it break on debian lenny with all packages updated
23:50 < SynQ> I'm after my own itch today
23:50  * perlDreamer passes SynQ some Calamine lotion
23:51  * SynQ chops of some of his aloe vera to mix with that
23:51 <@preaction> it's always going to need some system libs, like libc
23:52 < SynQ> but not like openssl libraries
23:52 <@preaction> i'd like to know what the WRE does that the python xml parsers don't like
23:52 <@preaction> or App::Nopaste
23:54 < SynQ> perl5.10.1 ?
23:54 < SynQ> would you like that?
23:54 <@preaction> indeed
23:54 <@preaction> fixes Test::Class issues
23:55 < SynQ> ok
23:55 < SynQ> that is going in
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00:17 < CIA-53> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r340097f / (3 files in 3 dirs): Change how the shipping driver throws errors. Fixes bug #11202. - http://bit.ly/4jXX4d
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01:11 < xdanger> In the v2 of the admin console spec the edit function is under dropdown menu from the options of the asset? 99% of the time user wants to edit the asset, so shouldn't it be visible all the time?
01:12 <@preaction> xdanger: post your comments to the thread, i'm in-and-out and can't keep track of things right now
01:13 < CIA-53> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rf9d97f2 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Always recreate the listener for the question and answer buttons, since their arguments change. Fixes bug #10985. - http://bit.ly/2vSuWx
01:13 < CIA-53> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * re329f99 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Always recreate the listener for the question and answer buttons, since their arguments change. Fixes bug #10985. - http://bit.ly/4cUwBV
01:13 <+perlDreamer> woot!  More javascript
01:13  * perlDreamer is on a roll
01:13  * preaction butters perlDreamer
01:14 <+perlDreamer> ew
01:14 <+perlDreamer> preaction, /me is going to commit the skipNotification code
01:14 <@preaction> k
01:15 <+perlDreamer> you can review it from repo sometime before 7.8.5 in 13 days?
01:15 <@preaction> yeah, i've kept your e-mail unread. monday i'll be catching up on everythig
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22:40 <+perlDreamer> howdy, xdanger
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23:15 < CIA-53> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r942975d / (5 files in 4 dirs): Fix name typos in the shopSaleNotificationGroupId. Fixes bug #11207 - http://bit.ly/2L3Dbj
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01:33 < CIA-53> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rc3727be / lib/WebGUI/Shop/Admin.pm : Supply a value, and a default value for Shop/Admin. - http://bit.ly/1B9Snh
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01:52 <+perlDreamer> in git, is it possible to undo a branch merge after it's been committed?
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02:29 < CIA-53> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r0aab1c1 / (3 files in 2 dirs): Fix POD whitespace issues in the EMS. - http://bit.ly/1ZMkp2
02:29 < CIA-53> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r924686b / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix more POD whitespace problems in the EMS. - http://bit.ly/28b1A2
02:29 < CIA-53> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rfc68756 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Update tests for changes to skipNotification. - http://bit.ly/2uTTqi
02:39 <+patspam> nasty bug!
02:41 <+patspam> anyone know what hangs around between requests in a modperl instance?
02:44 <+perlDreamer> the entire perl memory?
02:44 <+perlDreamer> patspam: do you know how to revert branches?
02:44 <+patspam> yes
02:44 <+patspam> just committed locally?
02:45 <+perlDreamer> no
02:45 <+patspam> ouch
02:45 <+perlDreamer> yes
02:45 <+perlDreamer> I've spent 1.5 hours fixing broken code and tests, and it's time to cut bait
02:45 <+patspam> probably not too hard actually
02:46 <+patspam> the merge commit is conceptually just another commit in the branch's timeline
02:46 <+patspam> it's just special in that it has more than 1 parent
02:46 <+perlDreamer> ah, that
02:46 <+perlDreamer> that's where the -m comes in
02:47 <+patspam> if it was only committed locally you'd obviously just reset HEAD to point to the pre-merge commit
02:47 <+patspam> but since you can't re-write the history now that everyone else can see it
02:48 <+patspam> I would think the sensible thing to do is just check in a new commit that results in all the files being in their pre-merge state
02:49 <+perlDreamer> isn't that what git revert -m will do for me?
02:49 <+perlDreamer> -m takes a parent number
02:49 <+perlDreamer> I just don't know which one is which
02:49 <+patspam> yeah that looks like the right command
02:49 <+patspam> gitk is good for visualising the history
02:50 <+patspam> or git-reflog
02:50 <+patspam> reflog will show you where the branch tip was before the merge
02:53 <+perlDreamer> gitk is showing me the parents
02:53 <+perlDreamer> which one is "1"? :)
02:53 < CIA-53> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r7aa60c7 / docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.8.3-7.8.4.pl : 
02:53 < CIA-53> webgui: Reverting EMS Submission Form.
02:53 < CIA-53> webgui: This reverts commit 69a997aff9233c4e4edc3c67ec8f70af25b1ce64. - http://bit.ly/3i2omp
02:53 < CIA-53> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r4597dac / (6 files in 3 dirs): 
02:53 < CIA-53> webgui: Reverting EMS Submissions.
02:53 < CIA-53> webgui: This reverts commit 6932ddfeb3e1baf52d0e91280732f8d893e7b841. - http://bit.ly/40hlpn
02:55 <+patspam> Survey's ExpressionEngine has a modperl instance caching bug, just took me about a day to find it
02:55 <+perlDreamer> ouch
02:55 <+patspam> gotta try to write a test case before i fix it
02:56 <+perlDreamer> that's not going to be fun
02:56 <+perlDreamer> going to use Mech?
02:56 <+patspam> only if i have to!
02:57 <+patspam> if i can recreate the bug in a regular perl process that'll be enough
02:57 <+perlDreamer> true
02:57 <+perlDreamer> I fixed some Survey JS bugs over the last few days
02:58 <+patspam> yeah the front-end ain't great
02:58 <+perlDreamer> it's better now, and i18n'ed
03:03 <+perlDreamer> found an example of branch revert
03:03 <+perlDreamer> http://www.gitready.com/intermediate/2009/03/16/rolling-back-changes-with-revert.html
03:03 <+perlDreamer> actually, the front-end bug was just cosmetic, since you can drag and drop stuff where you need it
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04:47 < CIA-53> webgui: Finish reverting EMS Submissions.
04:47 < CIA-53> webgui: This reverts commit aab3a74026d28a69de00bcd250f5b697df70d802. - http://bit.ly/4fbcYF
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05:31 < CIA-53> webgui: Patrick Donelan webgui-7.7 * r2be2ab4 / (3 files in 3 dirs): 
05:31 < CIA-53> webgui: One-line fix for Survey ExpressionEngine bug that took over a day to find.
05:31 < CIA-53> webgui: One of the file-scoped lexicals in ExpressionEngine wasn't being initialised,
05:31 < CIA-53> webgui: which meant that tagged data was being cached across repeated engine runs
05:31 < CIA-53> webgui: (including, would you believe, across modperl page requests).
05:31 < CIA-53> webgui: The fix includes tests. - http://bit.ly/c3cEV
05:31 < CIA-53> webgui: Patrick Donelan master * rbcd9994 / (3 files in 3 dirs): 
05:31 < CIA-53> webgui: One-line fix for Survey ExpressionEngine bug that took over a day to find.
05:31 < CIA-53> webgui: One of the file-scoped lexicals in ExpressionEngine wasn't being initialised,
05:31 < CIA-53> webgui: which meant that tagged data was being cached across repeated engine runs
05:31 < CIA-53> webgui: (including, would you believe, across modperl page requests).
05:31 < CIA-53> webgui: The fix includes tests. - http://bit.ly/6Y35B
05:31  * patspam rejoices in bug fixedness
05:31 <+perlDreamer> patspam, that hurts.
05:32 <+perlDreamer> yeah, and it makes perfect sense
05:33 <+perlDreamer> it's almost like the parallel cache problems that we fixed in the Shop
05:33 <+perlDreamer> patspam, would you hate me if I ask you to revert those until after I finish the releases?
05:33 <+perlDreamer> it'll mess up the tagging
05:34 <+patspam> for sure
05:34 <+patspam> sorry didn't realise you were releasing
05:35 <+perlDreamer> it's an emergency, off-time release
05:35 <+perlDreamer> many bad Shop bugs
05:38 < CIA-53> webgui: Patrick Donelan master * r5899fa4 / (3 files in 3 dirs): 
05:38 < CIA-53> webgui: Revert "One-line fix for Survey ExpressionEngine bug that took over a day to find."
05:38 < CIA-53> webgui: This reverts commit bcd99945ca343db94e40676dec749c8c4744f6dd. - http://bit.ly/25a1kt
05:38 < CIA-53> webgui: Patrick Donelan webgui-7.7 * r51c987d / (3 files in 3 dirs): 
05:38 < CIA-53> webgui: Revert "One-line fix for Survey ExpressionEngine bug that took over a day to find."
05:38 < CIA-53> webgui: This reverts commit 2be2ab4428988917d11d33bec801a7264aa1fd5e. - http://bit.ly/y0kJY
05:55 <+perlDreamer> one down, one to go
06:00 < CIA-53> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rec38f50 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.8.5 development cycle. - http://bit.ly/3w7HFv
06:06 <+patspam> perlDreamer - I'm about to crash out, are you cool to un-revert that Survey bugfix for me?
06:07 <+patspam> once the release is done, that is
06:07 <+perlDreamer> I'm not sure how to
06:07 <+perlDreamer> do I just revert the reversion
06:07 <+patspam> what's the ETA on the release?
06:07 <+perlDreamer> 2.5 hours more
06:08 <+perlDreamer> I have to release both branches
06:08 <@preaction> you can cherry-pick the original revision again
06:08 <+perlDreamer> ah, cool
06:08 <+perlDreamer> it's covered, patspam
06:08 <+perlDreamer> you are go for crash
06:08 <+patspam> sweet, thanks!
06:08  * patspam goes crash
06:08 <+perlDreamer> how's DC, preaction?
06:09 <@preaction> much fun indeed
06:09 <@preaction> thinking about moving out here
06:09 <+perlDreamer> wow
06:09 <+perlDreamer> that is fun
06:10 <@preaction> lots of hot single chicks, nice locale, good public trans, just expensive as all get-out
06:10 <@preaction> but then, this could be 4 drinks talking
06:10  * perlDreamer advises to look for nice, single chicks.  Hot ones can burn you
06:10 <@preaction> but not really, cuz i was thinking like this before 4 drinks
06:11 <+perlDreamer> but I'm also an old, married man
06:11 <@preaction> oh no, no need to warn me there
06:11 <@preaction> Hot, Smart, Sane, pick two
06:11 <@preaction> (or Sexy Smart Sane, if you like alliteration)
06:12 <@preaction> so 7.8.4 is an emergency bugfix for the Shop bug?
06:12 <+perlDreamer> yes
06:12 <+perlDreamer> so is 7.7.25
06:12 <@preaction> k
06:13 <+perlDreamer> we do know now that Spectre cannot handle 10,000 emails quickly
06:13 <@preaction> saw the panic going on at TGC
06:13 <@preaction> heh, i knew that ;)
06:13 <@preaction> 40,000 takes 3 days
06:13 <+perlDreamer> yeah, I've probably single handedly sunk TGC
06:13 <@preaction> even after maxing out sendmail settings
06:13 <@preaction> oh pshaw
06:13 <@preaction> the naysayers can go screw
06:14 <@preaction> it was 5 orders, maybe
06:14 <+perlDreamer> that's the drinks talking
06:15 <@preaction> now you're just being hurtful, but i'll let that go
06:15 <+perlDreamer> it's been a rough day, preaction, I'm sorry
06:15 <+perlDreamer> I was supposed to build the International USPS shipping plugin
06:15 <+perlDreamer> but instead spent it cleaning up bugs
06:16 <@preaction> no worries, relax, it's late. do what you need to and take a day off
06:20 <+perlDreamer> I may do that
06:20 <+perlDreamer> or half a day, anyway
06:22 <+perlDreamer> holy crap!
06:22 <+perlDreamer> world's most expensive board game
06:23 < daviddelikat> ok heres my test script: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d1b6c1ee6
06:23 < daviddelikat> think it'll work?
06:25 <+perlDreamer> yes
06:26 <+perlDreamer> but how will we tell if it passed or failed?
06:26 < daviddelikat> by looking at the big.test.log
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06:26 <+perlDreamer> also, have a look at http://smoke.plainblack.com/
06:26 < daviddelikat> ideally it would email the log or a link to it
06:27 <+perlDreamer> Haarg modified buildbot to make that site
06:28 < daviddelikat> so there is an automatic test system...
06:28 < daviddelikat> quite amazing
06:28 <+perlDreamer> yes, but it's broken
06:28 < daviddelikat> I like the way the little boxes work
06:28 <+perlDreamer> preaction has been wanting to build one in perl called Cradle
06:29 < daviddelikat> whats broken?
06:29 <+perlDreamer> I don't know the details, but it's not making reports anymore
06:33 <+perlDreamer> we can ask Mr. Haarg tomorrow what's up
06:33 < daviddelikat> my little tester is having lots of failures...
06:33 < daviddelikat> I did not restart the servers though...
06:34 < daviddelikat> or do a reset.
06:34 <+perlDreamer> since you did an addsite, you shouldn't need to
06:34 < daviddelikat> I won't be around tomorrow
06:34 <+perlDreamer> I'll ask Haarg, or you could post to the dev list
06:35 < daviddelikat> I think that I definitely should have reset the servers
06:35 < daviddelikat> getting lots of spectre errors
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06:43 <+perlDreamer> what's the good word, tavisto?
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07:13 <+perlDreamer> yay, it's done
07:14 < CIA-53> webgui: Patrick Donelan master * r804dbcf / (3 files in 3 dirs): 
07:14 < CIA-53> webgui: One-line fix for Survey ExpressionEngine bug that took over a day to find.
07:14 < CIA-53> webgui: One of the file-scoped lexicals in ExpressionEngine wasn't being initialised,
07:14 < CIA-53> webgui: which meant that tagged data was being cached across repeated engine runs
07:14 < CIA-53> webgui: (including, would you believe, across modperl page requests).
07:14 < CIA-53> webgui: The fix includes tests. - http://bit.ly/2RC7LQ
07:14 < CIA-53> webgui: Patrick Donelan webgui-7.7 * ra396584 / (3 files in 3 dirs): 
07:14 < CIA-53> webgui: One-line fix for Survey ExpressionEngine bug that took over a day to find.
07:14 < CIA-53> webgui: One of the file-scoped lexicals in ExpressionEngine wasn't being initialised,
07:14 < CIA-53> webgui: which meant that tagged data was being cached across repeated engine runs
07:14 < CIA-53> webgui: (including, would you believe, across modperl page requests).
07:14 < CIA-53> webgui: The fix includes tests. - http://bit.ly/2AbNQA
07:14 < CIA-53> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rc71a910 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.7.26 development cycle. - http://bit.ly/1azGoE
07:37 <+perlDreamer> releases are all done
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12:12 <+BartJol> preaction?
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13:35 < wgGuest78> www.webgui.org
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16:05 < SquOnk> Hi everyone
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16:29 < SDuensin> Morning
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17:58 <+BartJol> SDuensin: those microsoft citations are better now
17:58 < SDuensin> Really?  They changed them?
17:59 <+BartJol> yeah, unfortunately
17:59 <+BartJol> but we have the screenshots
17:59 < SDuensin> Just proves how stupid they were.  :-)
18:00 <+BartJol> can we use those for blackmailing them?
18:00 < SDuensin> Give 'em to /.
18:01 <+BartJol> ah, that might be good
18:01 <+BartJol> but they're not my copyright
18:03 < SDuensin> Yea, MS certainly has the copyright on stupid.
18:07 <+BartJol> well, there are different versions, which fall under differnt licences
18:11 < CIA-53> webgui: JT Smith master * r1304bf3 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/Captcha.pm): The captcha form control had it's built in styles removed in favor of two classes: "wg-captchaForm" and "wg-captchaImage" - http://bit.ly/tz1kc
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18:34 <+BartJol> well, rfe rejected, with the comment what I should ask, a rfe is quickly committed
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19:10 < CIA-53> wrebuild: JT Smith master * r505ce40 / (wre/docs/changelog.txt wre/sbin/wreconsole.pl): Fixed wreconsole crashes (#11208) - http://bit.ly/3xA6y5
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20:35 <+perlDreamer> morning, folks
20:37 <@Haarg> morning
20:39 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, is the github repo okay this morning?
20:41 <@Haarg> that tag may be off
20:49 <+perlDreamer> I'll look into it
20:49 <+perlDreamer> any suggestions on where to put the git pre-commit hook into the repository?
20:49 <+perlDreamer> I'm thinking a top level dev directory
20:49 <+perlDreamer> we can put the perltidy RC file, the Perl::Critic config file in there too
20:50 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: Hi there
20:50 <@Haarg> i think we want to leave the perltidy file where it is
20:50 <@Haarg> so it gets used automatically
20:50 < SquOnk> perlDreamer, Haarg: How's the SynCon encoding bug doing these days?
20:50 <@Haarg> no real progress
20:50 < SquOnk> :(
20:51 < SquOnk> Haarg: Have you pinpointed more or less what the problem is?
20:51 <@Haarg> i know why it happens
20:51 <@Haarg> but if i change that i know it is going to break another case that was fixed in the past
20:53 <@Haarg> i need to get the tests working, but right now i can't get it to load a file that is using cyrillic
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20:54 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, I'll make the directory, put the git hook in there, and update wgd to ignore the whole directory when doing a dist.
20:54 <+perlDreamer> we can add/move stuff in there later if we wish
20:55 <@Haarg> i may write another commit hook that does the same thing but only for files modified in the commit
20:55 <+perlDreamer> that would run faster
20:55 <+perlDreamer> just be sure you don't put 2>&1 at the end of it, like I did
20:56 <+perlDreamer> I'll hold off and let you do it, then
20:56 <@Haarg> well, i think it would be better to just use prove
20:57 <+perlDreamer> probably
21:23 < SDuensin> Use:  2>&1 > justincase.log
21:23 <+perlDreamer> no, Haarg is right.  prove is designed for aggregating and summarizing TAP data
21:23 <+perlDreamer> what I did was just silly
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21:24 < CIA-53> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r274e82e / (2 files in 2 dirs): Update tree nav template to open ancestors, and self. Fixes bug #11134 - http://bit.ly/10RZjD
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21:34 < CIA-53> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rc10363b / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Operation/Group.pm): Set a default for groups in addGroupsToGroupSave. Fixes bug #11203 - http://bit.ly/2CnaH2
21:47 <+perlDreamer> I'm going running
22:05 < SDuensin> Too good not to share.  http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/epic-fail-security-check-fail.jpg
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23:39 <@tavisto> wow Sduesin, what type of websites are you visiting
23:39 <@tavisto> j/k I see the failblog
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00:06 < CIA-53> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r82e7e80 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix bug #11101. Folders from an earlier upgrade had their package flag set. - http://bit.ly/4iNPEd
00:06 < CIA-53> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rd4ca728 / docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.8.4-7.8.5.pl : Reset isPackage and isDefault on every asset from the 7.6.35 to 7.7.17 upgrade. Fixes bug #11115 and #11106 - http://bit.ly/1VDVwt
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00:19 < SquOnk> I need to create a special Auth plugin. I understand a subclass of WebGUI::Auth is needed. What are the minimal set of methods needed?
00:19 < SquOnk> Is there any documentation on the subject I can read, besides WebGUI::Auth's source?
00:19 <+perlDreamer> not really
00:19 <+perlDreamer> and wg8 will obsolete your plugin
00:20 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: I can live with that :-)
00:20 <+perlDreamer> WebGUI::Auth is not really OO based
00:20 <+perlDreamer> it's more plugin based
00:20 <+perlDreamer> you probably need to implement ALL methods that Auth::WebGUI does
00:20 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: I see.
00:21 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: This bank is going to use WebGUI for it's banking application. We'll build an Asset to do so, but authentication must be done through some webservices they provide
00:23 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: Using LDAP is out of the question because the online banking users aren't there and "for your security" the only way to access that info is through the webservices.
00:23 <+perlDreamer> makes sense
00:23 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: So we're writing WebGUI::Auth::Bankname
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00:55 <+perlDreamer> SquOnk, dannymk is the only dev I know who has written an Auth plugin in the last 5 years
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01:21 < vayde> hey preaction, perlDreamer
01:22 < vayde> how you guys been?
01:22 <+perlDreamer> hey, vayde!
01:22 < vayde> long time no type
01:22 < vayde> what you been up to?
01:22 <+perlDreamer> lots of hacking
01:22 <+perlDreamer> I'm fulltime now
01:22 < vayde> awesome
01:22 < vayde> same outfit?
01:23 <+perlDreamer> no, working for myself now
01:23 <+perlDreamer> www.perldreamer.com
01:23 < vayde> congrats!
01:23 < vayde> that's awesome!
01:23 <+perlDreamer> thanks :)
01:24 <+perlDreamer> how 'bout yourself?
01:24 < vayde> still with US Bank
01:24 < vayde> I'm their chief apache/linux guy I guess you could say
01:25 <+perlDreamer> cool
01:25 < vayde> sorta the resident in hose open source dark lord
01:25 < vayde> they really should use webgui, but they have their own thing
01:26 < vayde> I'm so lucky to have worked briefly with PB before coming there
01:26 <+perlDreamer> they'll learn
01:26 < vayde> no, I doubt it.
01:26 <+perlDreamer> really?
01:26 < vayde> no, they'll move off perl to some sort of java thing
01:26 < vayde> with a cobol backend
01:26 < vayde> cos that's how the suits like to think
01:28 < vayde> so, I'm down recoving from surgery, and finally have time to play a bit with webgui again
01:28 < vayde> one problem, the wre tarball doesn't seem to have a wre.conf
01:28 < vayde> is there a standard/basic/example somewhere?
01:29 <+perlDreamer> I think everyone is using the wreconsole to build that nowadays
01:29 <+perlDreamer> but not being a big WRE user, I couldn't tell you one way or the other
01:29 < vayde> yeah, it won't start withot the conf
01:29 < vayde> mostly you build it from source yourself?
01:30 <+perlDreamer> yeah
01:30 < vayde> yeah, I'll probably just go do that
01:30 < vayde> easier
01:30 <+perlDreamer> I still run everything on Fedora
01:30 <+perlDreamer> for now
01:30 <+perlDreamer> It's starting to make me mad
01:30 < vayde> heh
01:30 <+perlDreamer> because their perl is so slow
01:30 < vayde> I have to support rhel at work, and I do, but I'll stay ubuntu at home
01:31 < vayde> so, when did you switch from kernel hacking to webgui support?
01:31 <+perlDreamer> kernel hacking?
01:31 <+perlDreamer> I was a chip designer
01:32 < vayde> oh yeah, right, that was it
01:32 < vayde> It's been a while man, 
01:32 <+perlDreamer> I know
01:32 < vayde> and I'm still not all here.
01:32 < vayde> majorly cut up
01:32 <+perlDreamer> Why did you have surgery?
01:32 < vayde> severe apnea
01:32 < vayde> strangling 106 times per hour on average while I slept
01:32 < vayde> makes life.... unpleasant
01:33 < vayde> so my whole throat area has been reconstructed
01:33 < vayde> it's a mess
01:33 <+perlDreamer> good thing we're doing this via IRC instead of Skype
01:33 < vayde> heh, yeah, my speaking voice aint much atm
01:33 < vayde> I think I sound like a muppet
01:34 <+perlDreamer> Hey, maybe Henson Studios is hiring
01:34 < vayde> could be
01:35 < vayde> but I'd be lost without a bash shell
01:36 <+perlDreamer> Lots of bashing goes on with the Muppets
01:36 < vayde> rofl  I stand corrected
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01:38 <+perlDreamer> man, getting international shipping data from the USPS is hard
01:38 <+perlDreamer> they just vomited this huge XML chunk back at me
01:39 <+perlDreamer> maybe Data::Dumper will help
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03:59 < David_> hello i am trygin to upgrade 7.6.35 to 7.7.x and i am getting this error Adding account activation template to settings... DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Duplicate entry 'webguiAccountActivationTemplate' for key 1 at ../lib/WebGUI/SQL/ResultSet.pm line 137.
03:59 < David_> anybody can help please
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00:00 <+perlDreamer> daviddelikat, daviddelikat1, I'm here early
00:08 <+perlDreamer> does anyone know how much an ITransact merchant account costs?
00:38 < CIA-53> WebGUI: translation * r12401 /translations/German/German/Asset_EventManagementSystem.pm: Updating German on translation server
00:38 < CIA-53> WebGUI: translation * r12402 /translations/German/German/Asset_Survey.pm: Updating German on translation server
00:53 < CIA-53> WebGUI: translation * r12403 /translations/German/German/ (ShipDriver_UPS.pm ShipDriver_USPS.pm): Updating German on translation server
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05:57 < elnino> hi all. isn't fedora the beta of suse?
05:57 <@preaction> no, fedora is the beta of redhat
05:58 < elnino> oh. ok.  thanks.
05:58 < elnino> all going well?
06:08 < elnino> umm. I went to webgui.org, clicked on download, clicked on "webgui runtime environment" and was redirected to http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=51417&package_id=148913 and got a blank screen in FF3.  Bad link? or is sourceforge down?
06:09 < elnino> ie doens't work either.
06:10 <@preaction> seems like sf is down
06:10 < elnino> ok. thx.
06:14 < elnino> there is a fedora distribution for wre, right?
06:14 < elnino> that's all I wanted to know.
06:14 <@preaction> i'm not sure, but the redhat one should work
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06:21 < elnino> g'nite all!
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19:14 < CIA-53> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r7b5b493 / (lib/WebGUI/Macro/NewMail.pm t/Macro/NewMail.t): Add tests for NewMail macro. Small refactoring for NewMail macro. - http://bit.ly/2R1h8w
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04:16 <+perlDreamer> daviddelikat2, daviddelikat3, I'm here for a bit
04:17 <+perlDreamer> patspam, I may be ready to join the Ubuntu throng
04:17 <@preaction> oooh
04:18 <+perlDreamer> I upgraded from FC10 to FC11
04:18 <+perlDreamer> and it didn't do the whole upgrade
04:18 <+perlDreamer> GRUB was completely broken
04:18 <@preaction> weird
04:18 <+perlDreamer> and I had to hand upgrade 500 packages
04:18 <@preaction> ouch
04:19 <+perlDreamer> how was your week in DC, preaction?
04:19 <@preaction> had a lot of fun, got a lot of work done
04:19 <@preaction> exhausting but good
04:20 <@preaction> wrote a whole new way to recover passwords for the Alumni group, hopefully I can see if it meets JT's muster
04:20 <@preaction> it's a lot more intuitive than the one we have
04:20 <+perlDreamer> cool
04:20 <@preaction> and cleaner, code-wise
04:20 <+perlDreamer> sounds like it might be good for 8
04:20 <@preaction> i'd hope for 7.9 if possible
04:21 <@preaction> i've also been exploring Flex, and there are some really interesting things here
04:21 <+perlDreamer> someone volunteered to help write macro tests
04:21 <+perlDreamer> Flex?
04:21 <+perlDreamer> like bison?
04:21 <+perlDreamer> yacc?
04:21 <@preaction> Flex == Flash for programmers
04:21 <+perlDreamer> Someone just put out a Hulu viewer in HTML 5
04:21 <+perlDreamer> Flash could die
04:22 <+perlDreamer> and it would be good
04:22 <@preaction> nah, it won't
04:22 <@preaction> with AIR, flash moved to the desktop
04:22 <@preaction> they're working on a flash runtime for the iPhone
04:22 <@preaction> i agree that flash for video is pass?, but flash for games and/or internet applications is coming up
04:23 <@preaction> games not like little minigames, but full MMOs and FPSs and RTS and etc...
04:23 <+perlDreamer> you really think so?
04:23 <@preaction> yep
04:24 <@preaction> AIR works on linux, for example, even if the flash plugins do not
04:24 <@preaction> imagine desktop apps that interact with WebGUI sites
04:24 <@preaction> and a flash app for those who don't want to install the desktop app
04:27 <@preaction> and i would really really like to know why Ant just does not work on my system...
04:28 <+perlDreamer> I'd like to know why Flash doesn't work on my system
04:28 <@preaction> because Adobe are jerks
04:30 <+perlDreamer> my kids can't play the tweetsie train game anymore
04:30 <+perlDreamer> that is terrible
04:46 <+perlDreamer> very odd
04:47 <+perlDreamer> ah ha!
04:47 <+perlDreamer> the secret to flash support under FC11 is to remove libflashsupport
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05:00 <@preaction> that's a little bit counter-intuitive ;)
05:01 <+perlDreamer> oh no it isn't
05:01 <+perlDreamer> oh yes it is
05:01 <+perlDreamer> oh no it isn't
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05:14 < elnino> hi!
05:15 < elnino> this is beeen bugging me for a while, and I don't know if it's my system or not, search on cs JUST doesn't work.
05:15 < elnino> sorry, not cs, but a wiki
05:15 < elnino> I have a wiki called blogs
05:15 < elnino> and the search doesn't pick it up when I search blog or blogs
05:16 < elnino> do I have to do a reindex of a search or something? or ???
06:22 < daviddelikat3> well I just pushed the EMS sumbission system -- again
06:22 < daviddelikat3> and it was SOME Bission
06:23 < daviddelikat3> or was it SUB Mission
06:23 < daviddelikat3> cant remember
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06:39 <+perlDreamer> let's pull and double check, just in case
06:41 <+perlDreamer> daviddelikat3, there are still dav::log calls in there...
06:48 < CIA-53> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r8568323 / lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/CleanupEMSSubmissions.pm : Fix syntax errors. - http://bit.ly/1KYUdr
06:57 <+perlDreamer> also, there were bad symlinks checked in
06:57 <+perlDreamer> it's all cleaned up, and I'm rerunning the test suite to double check
07:07 <+perlDreamer> test suite is clean
07:07 < CIA-53> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r736166e / t/Search.t : Use the right test with the right comment. - http://bit.ly/1PASrQ
07:07 < CIA-53> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r9178de0 / t/Search.t : Use the right test with the right comment. - http://bit.ly/1opLVl
08:11 < CIA-53> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rd8af803 / lib/WebGUI/Paginator.pm : Clarify POD for the setAlphabeticalKey method. - http://bit.ly/47z9XO
08:43 < CIA-53> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r1d9ec02 / (t/DatabaseLink.t t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm): Test cleanup and tracking of Database Links. - http://bit.ly/2FRmxl
08:43 < CIA-53> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rdbf86bb / (t/DatabaseLink.t t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm): Test cleanup and tracking of Database Links. - http://bit.ly/2zm8eV
08:54 < CIA-53> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r1c20f13 / (lib/WebGUI/DatabaseLink.pm t/Macro/SQL.t): 100% coverage on t/Macro/SQL.t. Refactor DatabaseLink. - http://bit.ly/277Lgq
08:54 < CIA-53> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r50474a5 / (lib/WebGUI/DatabaseLink.pm t/Macro/SQL.t): 100% coverage on t/Macro/SQL.t. Refactor DatabaseLink. - http://bit.ly/yid5l
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16:03 < SDuensin> Morning.
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18:01 <+perlDreamer> good morning, webgui folks!
18:01 < SDuensin> Ugh.  Not so loud.
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18:04 <@Haarg> morning perlDreamer
18:05 <+perlDreamer> had any SQL cleanup epiphanies, Haarg?
18:06 <@Haarg> my immediate thought about that was to have addToCleanup also accept sub references and add them to the cleanup code.  but that won't be ideal if we want to do SQL in a lot of places.
18:08 <@Haarg> the other option is just to add a new sub for SQL cleanup
18:08 < SDuensin> SQL cleanup?  Like no JSON in the DB?  :-P
18:20 <+perlDreamer> this is just for tests, SDuensin
18:20 < SDuensin> Hey, I gotta get my shots in when I can!
18:20 <+perlDreamer> if we can remove every END block in all the tests, we can use a certain perl module to help us speed them up
18:27 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, having addToCleanup accept anonymous subs would not only handle SQL issues, but all other cleanup type stuff as well
18:27 <@Haarg> yeah, that was my thought
18:27 <+perlDreamer> although I don't know how much more of that we're going to need
18:28 <+perlDreamer> why wouldn't it work in lots of places?
18:29 <@Haarg> it would work, but if we need to run arbitrary sql in a lot of places it isn't ideal
18:33 < CIA-53> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r0873e7a / README : Remove file imported from UPS branch - http://bit.ly/ztt0F
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19:03 <+perlDreamer> morning, BartJol
19:03 <+BartJol> g'devening sir
19:06 <+perlDreamer> did you see we had a new person volunteer to start writing tests?
19:07 <+BartJol> yes lrobinson right?
19:07 <+perlDreamer> yeah!
19:07 <+BartJol> I know her from semthing...
19:08 <+perlDreamer> the email said, "Luke"
19:08 <+BartJol> oh
19:08 <+perlDreamer> but perhaps you're thinking crobinson?
19:08 <+BartJol> then I'm totally wrong
19:11 <+BartJol> perlDreamer: did you hear Joeri is daddy?
19:11 <+perlDreamer> I did hear that
19:11 <+perlDreamer> does the baby have a name?
19:11 <+BartJol> alas, no first news
19:11 <+BartJol> Elsa Sophie
19:11 <+BartJol> Zeestraten (leonie's family name)
19:12 <+perlDreamer> so she doesn't have Joeri's surname?
19:13 <+BartJol> nope
19:13 <+BartJol> but, don't worry, you won't be able to pronounce that either
19:13 <+perlDreamer> de Bruin is easy to pronounce
19:13 < dreamersgirl> :)
19:13 < dreamersgirl> Tell him congratulations if you see him!
19:15 <+BartJol> I will, not sure when, but he's online now
19:17 <+perlDreamer> maybe we could all chip in and send Joeri one of these: http://www.thinkgeek.com/geek-kids/newborn-infant/c754/
19:17 <+BartJol> mmm
19:17 <+BartJol> dreamersgirl: Joeri sends his regards and thanks
19:18 < dreamersgirl> :)
19:18 < dreamersgirl> I like this one better:  http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts-apparel/kids/59cc/
19:18 <+BartJol>  now he's of for dinner
19:19 < dreamersgirl> what is his handle?
19:19 <+BartJol> er?
19:19 <+perlDreamer> dapperedodo
19:20 <+BartJol> eeeh, i thought lovehandle...
19:22 < dreamersgirl> that's what i thought.  he wasn't in channel, was he?  or am i losing my mind?
19:22 <+BartJol> no he wasn't
19:22 <+perlDreamer> no, he wasn't in here
19:22 <+BartJol> he was online, only for me
19:22 <+perlDreamer> you are losing your mind, though
19:22 <+perlDreamer> only 3 hour of sleep last night!
19:23  * perlDreamer reminds dreamersgirl of the negative effects of lack of sleep on endocrine and hormonal functioning
19:23 < dreamersgirl> funny--topic of the day is mood disorders
19:24 <+BartJol> it seems I'm just confused
19:24 < dreamersgirl> no, BartJol.  I am.  And now I'm spreading confusion around.  Sorry.
19:25 < dreamersgirl> I'm in class right now and the professor is discussing mood disorders--depression, bipolar disorder, etc.
19:25 <+BartJol> now, I'm getting confused, I thought I was confused, but it was only you, but now I'm getting confused, so yoiu are less confused?
19:25 <+BartJol> is there a balance?
19:25 < dreamersgirl> exactly
19:25 <+BartJol> ah
19:26 <+BartJol> didn't know that
19:27 < dreamersgirl> maybe i should pay more attention in class. that may help my confusion....
19:27 <+BartJol> DO NOT FOCUS!
19:27 <+BartJol> oh, sorry
19:28 < dreamersgirl> sure you are
19:28 <+perlDreamer> stupid tomcat is yowling through the house again
19:29 < dreamersgirl> sorry--i kept him up late partying last night
19:29 <+BartJol> well, just try to explain to your teacher that a Dutch guy is bothering you
19:29 <+BartJol> parties are good
19:29 < dreamersgirl> it wasn't a fun party
19:29 <+perlDreamer> It was a paper-writing party
19:29 < dreamersgirl> well, maybe for the cat.  not for me.
19:30 <+BartJol> it is dinner tim now
19:30 <+BartJol> I should get some grub\
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19:30 < dreamersgirl> And I should go to class.
19:31 <+BartJol> ok, later
19:31 < dreamersgirl> Enjoy your grub!
19:31 <+BartJol> thanks
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20:00 < CIA-53> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rce84be0 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/HTMLArea.pm): Help HTMLArea handle odd form names. Fixes bug #11209 - http://bit.ly/mWEJq
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20:14 < dreamersgirl> theophylline
20:14 <+perlDreamer> gesundheit
20:14 < dreamersgirl> oops, sorry.  wrong window!
20:14 < dreamersgirl> Danke
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20:49  * perlDreamer is starting to want $session->url->yui to save some typing
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21:02 <@preaction> i'm about to setup an ldap/ldaps server on smoke, is there any other service that the smoke tests need?
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21:06 <+perlDreamer> there are no LDAP tests yet
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21:12 <@preaction> yeah, and we regressed. hence i'm making an ldap server on smoke to make ldap tests
21:17 <+perlDreamer> we regressed?  What happened?
21:17 <+perlDreamer> also, there's a way to build a fake LDAP server for testing
21:17 <+perlDreamer> It's on CPAN
21:19 <@preaction> eh, this is easier and fewer deps
21:19 <+perlDreamer> is smoke working again?
21:19 <@preaction> it should be
21:20 <@preaction> i think just my RSS hack isn't working right
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22:27 <+perlDreamer> preaction: all recent links on smoke.plainblack.com point to non-existant pages
22:27 <+perlDreamer> or is that the RSS hack you were talking about?
22:28 <@preaction> no.. damnit
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22:37 < elnino> any one have bugzilla, cvs and webgui on the same machine?
22:37 <@preaction> that doesn't sound like any fun at all
22:39 < elnino> no? I really want to use wre, but am tempted to opt out on it this time around. =( Don't want to mess a around to much.
22:39 <@preaction> i was more thinking the bugzilla and cvs support
22:39 <@preaction> is there a reason it's cvs and not svn or something more modern?
22:40 < elnino> oh, it may be svn.. hold on. I get them messed up.
22:40 <@preaction> bugzilla has a modperl mode, iirc, so you can just make a bugzilla.modperl file in the WRE
22:40 < elnino> yes. svn
22:40 <@preaction> okay, then we have both svn and webgui running on plainblack.com
22:41 <@preaction> svn is running its own httpd on a different port, and modproxy is handling the reverse proxy
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22:46 < elnino> I see I have some more investigation to do...
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22:49 <@preaction> it's mostly apache configuration acrobatics
22:55 <@Haarg> our svn doesn't use a reverse proxy, it runs on a different IP
22:55 < elnino> bugzilla shouldn't have a problem using webgui's perl, right? just as long as it's in the path?
22:56 < elnino> and the additional mod's it needs are installed.
22:56 <@Haarg> it should work fine with webgui's perl
22:57 < elnino> so... svn gets it's own port and it's own apache/svnserve (I dont' know what is used yet), and bugzilla uses webgui's mysql and perl instanace.
22:58 < elnino> right?
22:58 < elnino> svn has it's own propritory db so nothing to do there.
22:58 <@Haarg> you could do it in a number of ways, but you could run svn in either the modperl or modproxy servers
23:23 <+perlDreamer> what does this mean: http://gist.github.com/230286
23:23 <+perlDreamer> my i18n'ed modified template attachments JS wasn't working in IE7, so I ran it through jslint
23:24 <+perlDreamer> and it spewed back that message
23:24 <@Haarg> i'm not sure about the wrapped in an if thing
23:24 <@Haarg> but if you do a for loop like that on objects it sometimes gives you extra items that you wouldn't expect, such as methods
23:25 <+perlDreamer> ah, yes.
23:25 <+perlDreamer> I remember that from Javascript, the Good Parts
23:25 <+perlDreamer> it's a very small, slim book
23:28 < CIA-53> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rff0cfa0 / (4 files in 4 dirs): 
23:28 < CIA-53> webgui: i18n the template attachments, fixes bug #11186
23:28 < CIA-53> webgui: Also, rework some of the JS code according to jslint. - http://bit.ly/1i56JG
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23:39 <+perlDreamer> OSCON is coming back to Portland
23:39 <+perlDreamer> pack your bags!
23:51 <@preaction> ooh when?
23:52 <+perlDreamer> July 19-23
23:52 <+perlDreamer> I can probably offer a place to crash
23:52 <+perlDreamer> but it's a long haul in to the Convention Center
23:52 <+perlDreamer> about 53 minutes by lightrail
23:57 < dreamersgirl> not that you've timed it or anything...
--- Day changed Tue Nov 10 2009
00:02 <+perlDreamer> oh no
00:02 <+perlDreamer> speaking of timing, I have to go get some kids from the store
00:02 <+perlDreamer> I like to get there early, so they're fresh
00:02 <+perlDreamer> be back in 34 minutes
00:03 <+perlDreamer> with a standard variance of 2.3 minutes
00:06 < dreamersgirl> i'll be off by then
00:06 < dreamersgirl> later!
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00:26 <@preaction> where should i put the info for connecting / using smoke's ldap server?
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00:44 <@preaction> we're supposed to use Scope::Guard for cleanup in tests now, right?
00:44 <@preaction> like if i need to delete an ldap link?
00:45 <@Haarg> that's probably the best way, yes
00:59 <@preaction> easiest way to prove we have a shitty API: Write a test for it...
01:06 <+perlDreamer> preaction, I added a cleanup mode for DatabaseLink's yesterday.
01:06 <+perlDreamer> LDAPLinks should work the same way
01:06 <+perlDreamer> with a test to prevent the deletion of the default one
01:30 <+perlDreamer> ++trex
01:31 <@preaction> indeed
01:34 <+perlDreamer> can you grab that as part of your testing work?
01:34 <+perlDreamer> also, here's irony.  I'm installing IE8 to try and debug some javascript
01:39 < vayde> wow, that's like sacrificing a goat for animal rights
01:40 < vayde> you know about firebug dontcha pd?
01:42 <+perlDreamer> I do, but of course, the JS works in FF
01:42 <+perlDreamer> and it's not throwing any errors in IE
01:42 <+perlDreamer> it's just not working
01:43 < vayde> yeah, catch 22 there.  no good debug tools in IE
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01:46 <@preaction> actually IE 8 has a pretty nice debugger
01:46 < vayde> yeah?
01:46 < vayde> that's nice to hear
01:46 < vayde> how you been preaction?
01:53 <@preaction> same old, working on making webgui better
01:53 <@preaction> trying to stem the tide of shoddy fixes and regressions with my temporary minion, Colin
01:53 <@preaction> yourself?
01:56 <+perlDreamer> that's short term, not temporary
01:56 < vayde> oh, resident barbarian horde in corporate america
01:56 < vayde> I loot, pillage and burn with appalling regularity
01:57 <@preaction> what does one even call a minion without a super villian?
01:57 <@preaction> i mean, antagonist
01:58 < vayde> lonely?
01:58 <+perlDreamer> we have a villian
01:58 <+perlDreamer> but we do not often speak his name
01:58 <+perlDreamer> He is the Regressor
01:59 <+perlDreamer> evil perpretator of multiple mistakes
01:59 < vayde> heh.  yeah, I can imagine that gets to be more and more of a threat every day
02:00 <+perlDreamer> speaking of which, preaction, any clue as to why the DataTable doesn't output the DataTable inside a row and table cell?
02:00 <+perlDreamer> is that on purpose for some reason?
02:00 <@preaction> huh?
02:01 <@preaction> you mean a nested table?
02:01 <+perlDreamer> it's making <table><table id="DataTable_container> rows and columns </table></table>
02:01 <@preaction> that's... weird
02:01 <+perlDreamer> ya
02:02 <+perlDreamer> I'm looking for anything that will help with this DataTable bug that JT found
02:02 <+perlDreamer> it's not throwing any errors or warnings
02:02 <+perlDreamer> for the data table, it just draws an empty header cell
02:02 <+perlDreamer> with no label
02:03 <+perlDreamer> and no content or anything underneath it
02:03 <+perlDreamer> also, no buttons for help, add or delete
02:03 <+perlDreamer> very strange
02:04 <@preaction> is there a stable release tomorrow?
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02:07 <+perlDreamer> preaction, I've made so many releases in last 10 days I don't remember who is supposed to be next
02:07 <+perlDreamer> I'll check
02:08 <+perlDreamer> yeah, it's stable tomorrow
02:08 <+perlDreamer> unless I've catatrosphically mucked something else up and have to do more off-time releases
02:10 < CIA-53> webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.7 * r88a4327 / (lib/WebGUI/Auth/LDAP.pm t/Auth/LDAP.t): fixed #11218: LDAPS does not create users automatically - http://bit.ly/tbUj9
02:10 < CIA-53> webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.7 * r26a212f / docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt : add changelog - http://bit.ly/3xwdsi
02:10 < CIA-53> webgui: Doug Bell master * rd5c2275 / docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.8.4-7.8.5.pl : make the upgrade shut up - http://bit.ly/3gkSyL
02:10 < CIA-53> webgui: Doug Bell master * rec30672 / (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed #11218: LDAPS does not create users automatically - http://bit.ly/tdIhi
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02:11 < CIA-53> wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r3f0fc60 / (7 files in 4 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git@github.com:plainblack/wrebuild - http://bit.ly/42EYlI
02:11 <+perlDreamer> SynQ: I made a documentation change to the WRE, install.txt.
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02:21 <+perlDreamer> son of a gun
02:21 <+perlDreamer> that did it!
02:21 <+perlDreamer> but I may have found a codeEditor bug, too
02:22 <+perlDreamer> code-editor.js, line 289 (this._getSelection is null)
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02:29 <@preaction> yeah, that's been a consistent problem
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02:34 <+perlDreamer> should we do an existance check on that key before calling methods through it?
02:35 <+perlDreamer> oh, adding the TR and TD tags to the table fixed the DataTable in IE8
02:35 <+perlDreamer> now checking IE7
02:35 <+perlDreamer> and then I'm going to check Susan's default time zone bug
02:35 <+perlDreamer> and then I'm going to fix dinner
02:38 <+perlDreamer> which does not involve bugs
02:50 < CIA-53> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r9d14e8b / (3 files in 3 dirs): 
02:50 < CIA-53> webgui: Fix rendering of initial DataTable in IE7, IE8. Fixes bug #11205.
02:50 < CIA-53> webgui: Added TR, TD tags to table containing the DataTable. Also,
02:50 < CIA-53> webgui: ran dataTable.js through jslint and fixed many issues. - http://bit.ly/284pru
02:50 < CIA-53> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rab6811e / (3 files in 3 dirs): 
02:50 < CIA-53> webgui: Fix rendering of initial DataTable in IE7, IE8. Fixes bug #11205.
02:50 < CIA-53> webgui: Added TR, TD tags to table containing the DataTable. Also,
02:50 < CIA-53> webgui: ran dataTable.js through jslint and fixed many issues. - http://bit.ly/1V7FVU
02:51 <+perlDreamer> preaction, $session->setting will automatically restore itself at the end of the test
02:51 <+perlDreamer> no need to clean it up
02:56 <@preaction> i'm not cleaning it up, i'm making sure it doesn't interfere with the next test
02:56 <@preaction> (and that final test, the next test is unwritten)
03:04 <+perlDreamer> I see
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15:25 < SquOnk> Hello everyone
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15:26 < ryuu_ro> hi guys
15:26 < ryuu_ro> anybody an idea why in the extras yui dir the beta version of element is included?
15:27 < ryuu_ro> in 7.7.25 that is
15:28 < ryuu_ro> and 7.7.21 also has the beta included
15:28 < ryuu_ro> as far as i remember this used to be a stable version
15:41 <+bartjol> ah, memory, the illusionist of the mind
15:42 < ryuu_ro> ok Bart, time to answer my question
15:42 <+bartjol> you should go now
15:42 < ryuu_ro> thanks
15:42 < ryuu_ro> :)
15:42 <+bartjol> but, sorry, I don't
15:42 <+bartjol> know
15:43 < ryuu_ro> dev list it is
15:43 <+bartjol> isn't there anything in the changelog?
15:43 < SquOnk> Any news on the SynContent encoding bug?
15:43 <+bartjol> not afaik
15:44 < ryuu_ro> well the encoding is not working for me
15:44 < ryuu_ro> yet
15:45 < SquOnk> Meh
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17:44 <+perlDreamer> bartjol, I only have a little time before I need to take kids to school
17:44 <+perlDreamer> Next RFE day is next monday
17:44 <+bartjol> yes
17:44 <+perlDreamer> let's work on some of the international RFEs together
17:44 <+perlDreamer> you game?
17:45 <+bartjol> ooh, well, I suppose
17:45 <+perlDreamer> I'm thinking about the choice of language one
17:45 <+perlDreamer> and also Martien's one for copying language into the core
17:45 <+bartjol> so the base site language?
17:45 <+perlDreamer> yes
17:45 <+bartjol> yes there is some overlap in those
17:45 <+bartjol> I believe
17:45 <+perlDreamer> I'm not so sure
17:46 <+perlDreamer> in any case, we should be able to bust them out quickly
17:46 <+perlDreamer> also, how 'bout them tests?
17:46 <+perlDreamer> gotta scoot
17:46 <+bartjol> haven been able to look at that
17:47 <+bartjol> gotta reserve some time for it this week
17:54 < daviddelikat3> I **** browser compatibility
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17:55 <+bartjol> I like compatibility, but dtest incompatability :P
17:55 < daviddelikat3> hey perlDreamer I figured out how I should have retrieved my files last saturday
17:55 < daviddelikat3> browser compatibility is like military inteligence
17:55 < daviddelikat3> it looks like it but it isnt
17:56 < daviddelikat3> that is compatible
17:59 <+bartjol> :)
18:00 <+perlDreamer> what's the magic invocation, daviddelikat3?
18:00 < daviddelikat3> well I was trying to checkout the old versions of the files
18:00 < daviddelikat3> but what I didn't do was make a branch first
18:00 < daviddelikat3> you can't checkout out of a commit
18:00 < daviddelikat3> but you can make a branch at any commit point
18:01 < daviddelikat3> and checkout of the brance
18:01 < daviddelikat3> branch
18:01 < daviddelikat3> its actually very cool
18:01 <+perlDreamer> nice
18:01 < daviddelikat3> and would have got me back on track very quickly
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18:01 < daviddelikat3> but I didn't really understand branches
18:01 < daviddelikat3> now I do
18:02 < daviddelikat3> now I'll be using them much more
18:02 <+perlDreamer> branches are cool
18:02 < daviddelikat3> I hope  can delete branches...
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18:03 < daviddelikat3> otherwise our tree is going to be pretty crowded
18:03 <+perlDreamer> git branch -d
18:03 <+perlDreamer> git branch -D
18:03 <+perlDreamer> either way
18:03 < daviddelikat3> yeah
18:03 < daviddelikat3> I've been mostly reading about creating them using checkout
18:03 < daviddelikat3> I'll have to look at branch next
18:04 < daviddelikat3> but first I have to check off some items from my TODO list
18:05 < daviddelikat3> can i export WG users in a package?
18:05 <+perlDreamer> no
18:05 < daviddelikat3> bummer
18:05 <+perlDreamer> but...
18:06 <+perlDreamer> you can build a SQL Report that produces a file that userImport.pl will take
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18:06 < daviddelikat3> I just want to have some users that I can import to my dev system
18:07 < daviddelikat3> it would be really cool if 'wgd reset' cold run a few scripts when it does a dev reset
18:07 <+perlDreamer> --util
18:07 <+perlDreamer> you need to upgrade your wgd :)
18:08 < daviddelikat3> I guess so
18:08 <+perlDreamer> I keep a file like this laying around: http://gist.github.com/230988
18:08 < daviddelikat3> I'm falling behind on everything
18:08 <+perlDreamer> so that I can import a bunch of users quickly
18:09 < daviddelikat3> thanks
18:09 < daviddelikat3> I'll just keep that one
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18:27 <+perlDreamer> Haarg: good morning
18:27 <+perlDreamer> I have a User question for you
18:27 <+perlDreamer> when users are created, do they get user profile defaults from Visitor?
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18:44 <+perlDreamer> Haaarg, did you see my earlier question about users and profile field defaults?
18:44 <@Haaarg> nope
18:44 <+perlDreamer> when users are created, do they get user profile defaults from Visitor?
18:45 <+perlDreamer> note, this is a trick question
18:45 <@Haaarg> i know they did at one point, don't know if that has changed
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18:46 <+perlDreamer> if a user is created by create, it gets defaults from the user profile field
18:46 <+perlDreamer> but if a user is created via Operation/User, it gets defaults from Visitor
18:46 <@Haaarg> heh
18:46 <@Haaarg> fun
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19:26 <@preaction> if there are a bunch of things that are shared between a couple objects, should I create a role or a base-class to inherit them from?
19:26 <@preaction> a bunch means 2 or 3 methods
19:27 <+perlDreamer> like what kinds of methods?
19:27 <@preaction> a clone method that creates a new object by serializing and deserializing
19:27 <@preaction> a constructor that translates one object into another
19:28 <+perlDreamer> I thought that Clone provided one of those
19:28 <+perlDreamer> but I think it's worth having a base class for
19:28 <+perlDreamer> although, if we ever start using Class::DBI or Moose, we shouldn't need it anymore
19:29 <@preaction> that's one downside, another is the added complexity
19:29 <@preaction> it's the FormBuilder, there's already some weird inheritance going on there with the Roles
19:29 <+perlDreamer> if that's true, maybe it wants to fallback to being class based?
19:30 <@preaction> no, the three roles that are there should be there
19:30 <@preaction> otherwise it would be copy/paste code
19:31 <@preaction> this other stuff isn't quite copy/paste. some identifiers need to be changed between the two
19:31 <+perlDreamer> I don't know the details of what you're doing, but class based inheritance isn't copy/paste
19:34 < wgGuest65> \nick daviddelikat_at_work
19:34 <+perlDreamer> wrong slash, wgGuest65
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19:34 < daviddelikat_at_> i guess theres a limit to the length of a nick...
19:38 <+perlDreamer> reading through ProfileField, I'm reminded of a line from the Tim Burton Batman movie
19:38 <+perlDreamer> This code needs an enema
19:52 < elnino> ew
19:52 <+perlDreamer> sorry
19:52 <+perlDreamer> potty talk in channel
19:52  * perlDreamer goes to the bathroom to wash out his keyboard with soap
20:01 < CIA-53> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r0818f12 / (5 files in 4 dirs): Users always get default profile field values from the profile field. Fixes bug #11215 - http://bit.ly/3A1AtS
20:01 < CIA-53> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r858c148 / (5 files in 4 dirs): Users always get default profile field values from the profile field. Fixes bug #11215 - http://bit.ly/3nJkLl
20:01 < CIA-53> webgui: Doug Bell formbuilder * rcef7c9c / lib/WebGUI/FormBuilder.pm : added clone to FormBuilder - http://bit.ly/19pWf5
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20:09 < CIA-53> webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.7 * r3d4175a / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Map.pm): fixed #11220: Map asset badly broken - http://bit.ly/16PG97
20:09 <+perlDreamer> preaction++
20:09 <+perlDreamer> that was fast
20:09 <+perlDreamer> feel up to a few other bugs, perhaps?
20:10 < CIA-53> webgui: Doug Bell master * ra182524 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Map.pm): fixed #11220: Map asset badly broken - http://bit.ly/2XU1d
20:11 <@preaction> i'm gonna try to get the code editor bug at least
20:11 <+perlDreamer> I think i can handle the rest
20:11 <+perlDreamer> after I go to the gym
20:11 <+perlDreamer> I'd also appreciate your thoughts on my proposed fix for the cached Navigation bug
20:12 <+perlDreamer> which are on the dev forum
20:12 <@preaction> ok
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21:03 <@preaction> is it really too much to ask for little icons next to menu items?
21:03 <@preaction> or using icons with no labels and no text, no need to i18n?
21:04 <@preaction> or am i crazy that icons improve usability
21:04 <@preaction> and are everywhere in every single computer program when they shouldn't be?
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22:47 <+perlDreamer> ping
22:48 <+perlDreamer> grrr
22:48 <+perlDreamer> github is down
22:57 < SquOnk> What's the proper way to redirect to the home page on logout?
22:57 <+perlDreamer> currrenly, WebGUI just returns you to the current page
22:58 <+perlDreamer> if your plugin is general purpose, it should do that as well
22:58 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: So I'd need to use the runOnLogout thing in the config file.
22:58 <+perlDreamer> if your plugin isn't, then just set a redirect in $session->http
22:58 <+perlDreamer> runOnLogout is a script
22:58 <+perlDreamer> or a Workflow
22:58 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: I know
22:58 <+perlDreamer> that script won't allow you to change the landing page after a logout operation
22:59 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: I want a general way to redirect people to the home page when they logout, wherever they might be on the page.
22:59 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: I see
23:00 <+perlDreamer> I'd subclass sub logout, and do the redirect in there
23:25 <+perlDreamer> preaction, in t/Auth/LDAP.t, it says to always test LDAPS.  why is that?
23:27 <@preaction> because if LDAPS works, so will LDAP
23:28 <+perlDreamer> okay
23:28 <@preaction> i mean, to be thorough we could do both, and just swapping ldap:// for ldaps:// will work, but i didn't want to create the test programmatically
23:28 <+perlDreamer> I'm looking at Trex's patches, and thinking about tests
23:28 <+perlDreamer> I just want to be sure I use smoke's LDAP server the right way
23:28 <@preaction> laziness mostly, well, more like "i'm already 2 weeks behind and this is not one of the tasks I was assigned, but the buck has to stop somewhere, so it stops with me"
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01:58 <+perlDreamer> preaction, I have a hard time ascribing the word laziness to you
02:05 <+perlDreamer> browser caching sucks
02:05 <+perlDreamer> but it doesn't suck as much as server side caching
02:05 <+perlDreamer> or, content last modified fields
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02:51 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: Are you there?
02:52 <@preaction> he just left, he'll be back a little later
02:52 < SquOnk> Ok
03:06 <+perlDreamer> quick question
03:06 <+perlDreamer> have to leave in 5
03:06 <+perlDreamer> what's up SquOnk?
03:06 <+perlDreamer> no change in status on the encoding bugs
03:07 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: It's not about that
03:11 <+perlDreamer> okay, Kuskie boys are off to piano lessons
03:11 <+perlDreamer> be back on about 8:30 pm PST for stable release
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04:17 <+perlDreamer> the piano teacher has been holding out on me.  She was wireless!
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05:20 < vayde> preaction?  you around?
05:20 <@preaction> temporarily, sup
05:20 < vayde> just a fyi
05:20 < vayde> the testEnvironment.pl in the wG source install
05:20 < vayde> it seems to be missing dependencies
05:20 < vayde> for Template::Toolkit and SOAP::Lite
05:21 <+perlDreamer> those are all optional
05:21 <+perlDreamer> as long as you have your config file setup the correct way
05:21 <+perlDreamer> like not using the TT plugin, or the deprecated WSClient asset
05:21 < vayde> ahh, well, the basic conf barfed
05:21 <@preaction> yeah, because TT is included with the WRE
05:21 <@preaction> that's a bug
05:22 < vayde> shouldn't the conf given work with the modules listed in the env test?
05:22 <+perlDreamer> how is that a bug?
05:22 <@preaction> it's actually because WebGUI preloads WebGUI::Asset::Template::TemplateToolkit
05:22 <@preaction> and since it can't preload it without having TT installed, it explodes
05:22 <+perlDreamer> we're going to use TT anyway, I guess
05:23 < vayde> well, i just figure at least the default conf aught to work with the environment that passes the test
05:23 <@preaction> i'd say disable the TT parser. i don't see why webgui is preloading everything it can get its grubby hands on
05:24 <@preaction> but i don't know what the policy is here and i'm not setting any more policy today
05:24 <+perlDreamer> to disable it, we'd have to ship a default preload.exclude
05:24 <@preaction> i'm going to get brown sugar so i can make cookies
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05:26 < vayde> so, would you like that filed as a bug?  or just take it as a fyi?
05:28 <+perlDreamer> file it
05:28 < vayde> kk, next question, where's the bugtracker these days
05:28 <+perlDreamer> you can't tell one bug from another without a helpdek ticket
05:28 <+perlDreamer> www.webgui.org/bugs
05:28 < vayde> (sorry, it's been a while)
05:28 < vayde> thanks
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06:50 <+perlDreamer> preaction, any pending commits?
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07:04 <@preaction> perlDreamer: nope, go head
07:05 < elnino> g'nite all.
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07:05 <+perlDreamer> how are the cookies?
07:06 <@preaction> look much better than last time, where i had to substitute the brown sugar
07:06 <@preaction> still gotta wait for cooldown to make the crucial test
07:09  * perlDreamer predicts UTF8 problems in the next WRE
07:09 <+perlDreamer> either that, or Fedora just lost a customer
07:11 <@preaction> and now you're having charset problems too?
07:11 <@preaction> sheesh
07:11 <+perlDreamer> yup
07:11 <+perlDreamer> there are actually two charset tests in the suite
07:11 <+perlDreamer> and the literal utf8 one is failing
07:11 <+perlDreamer> I'm hoping it's fedora, and not core perl changes
07:23 <@preaction> oh yeah, the cookies are excellent as always
07:38 <+perlDreamer> what kind are they?
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07:43 < CIA-53> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rb3576ff / docs/create.sql : Preparing for 7.7.26 release - http://bit.ly/LUj4c
07:50 <+perlDreamer> oh, that rarest of upgrades with no db manipulation
08:15 <+perlDreamer> and we're out
08:15 <+perlDreamer> see y'all tomorrow
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08:16 < CIA-53> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r2f0ef5f / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.7.27 development. - http://bit.ly/3gyaPd
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16:58 < slickware> morning all 
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17:51 <+patspam> Haarg: wgdev is in the bazaar yeah?
17:52 <@Haarg> yes
17:52 <@Haarg> http://www.webgui.org/bazaar/wgdev
17:52 <+patspam> ta
17:52 <+patspam> sucks that there's no bazaar search
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17:54 <+BartJol> patspam: there seems no file to be attached to your bazaar post, or am I just impatient?
17:54 <+patspam> heh yeah sorry, just uploading it now
17:54 <+BartJol> :)
17:55 <+BartJol> nice sceenshot though
17:56 <+patspam> uploaded now
18:00 <+BartJol> got it, gonna check it out
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19:02 < David_> good morning i m having the hardest time trying to fix a problem i am getting a communication error on my log and i think it has something to do with my host file can anybody tell me what needs to go there. i have the 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.localdomain and on a second line i have the ip of server www.mydomain.com is this correct?
19:02 <+BartJol> that doesn't sound wrong
19:02 <+BartJol> we mostly add the domain without the www
19:05 <+BartJol> David_ what is the error?
19:05 < David_> ERROR - spectre.conf - POE::Kernel::_dispatch_event[1056] - CRON: Response for job
19:05 <+BartJol> ah
19:06 <+BartJol> spectre connects from the "outside"
19:06 <+BartJol> what is the spectre ip>
19:06 <+BartJol> ?
19:06 < David_> no both in same box
19:06 <+BartJol> maybe you should change it to your external IP
19:06 <+BartJol> default is 127.0.0.1 I believe
19:07 < David_> yes ok
19:07 < David_> let me try. because also i am trying to upload sompe wgpkg and i get nothing, the pages are not imported and i don't get errors on webgui.log
19:08 <+BartJol> not sure on which log level those errors are
19:08 <+BartJol> you can try altering your log level
19:08 <+BartJol> but 1 thing at a time
19:09 < David_> yes
19:09 < David_> working on changing spectre.conf to external ip
19:10 <+BartJol> you need to restart modpelr and spectre
19:10 <+BartJol> and change it in the webgui and spectre conf
19:11 < David_> ok
19:11 <+BartJol> in the webgui conf you can just add it I believe
19:12 <+BartJol> not sure about that though, I would have to check that
19:15 <+BartJol> does it help?
19:15 < David_> restarting
19:16 <+BartJol> sorry for pushing but I have a very important beer drinking appointment :P
19:16 < David_> take me with you lol
19:17 <+BartJol> you know Delft?
19:17 < David_> no
19:18 <+BartJol> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=brabantse+turfmarkt+67,+delft&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=31.839416,79.013672&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Brabantse+Turfmarkt+67,+2611+Delft,+South+Holland,+The+Netherlands&ll=52.010184,4.360531&spn=0.001509,0.004823&z=18
19:18 < David_> im on the states
19:19 <+BartJol> it's just an 8 hour flight
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19:19 <+BartJol> but how are the errors doing?
19:20 < David_> the communications errors went away thanks
19:20 <+BartJol> ok
19:20 < David_> now to figure out why i can't import packages
19:20 <+BartJol> still can't?
19:20 < David_> no
19:20 < David_> and no errors on logs
19:20 <+BartJol> ok
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19:20 <+perlDreamer> good morning WebGUI folks
19:20 <@Haarg> morning
19:21 < David_> morning 
19:21 <+BartJol> you can try to set ypour log level to debug temporarily(!!)
19:21 <+BartJol> in log.conf
19:21 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, do you have 15 minutes to talk about multiple languages in the core?
19:21  * BartJol wistles and looks up
19:22 <@Haarg> sure
19:22 <+perlDreamer> I see a couple of problems with the idea
19:22 <+perlDreamer> 1) we run the risk of people making changes to the git copy of the i18n
19:22 <+perlDreamer> 2) i18n could also fork between the stable and beta branches
19:23 <+perlDreamer> I think we can solve (1) by just saying the the svn version is the canonical version, and that it gets overwritten at release
19:23 <+perlDreamer> I haven't thought of how to handle (2) yet.
19:23 <+BartJol> David_ I leave you in the hands of the rest of these good people
19:23 < David_> thanks a lot for the help
19:23 <+BartJol> np
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19:24 <@Haarg> if we wanted to have multiple languages in core, it seems like it would make the most sense to just have the core copy be authoritative and get rid of the separate repo
19:25 <+perlDreamer> so we'd pull it out of i18n.webgui.org and the SVN repo
19:25 <+perlDreamer> and the only way to edit it would be via commandline
19:26 <@Haarg> well, we'd need to make adjustments to the translation server, but that needs to happen anyway
19:29 <+perlDreamer> and in the changes that you'd like to make to the translation server, is it supposed to handle i18n in multiple branches?
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19:41 < David_> does anybody know any reasons why wouldn't i be able to import wgpkg from same version into my current installation, no errors anywhere
19:41 <+perlDreamer> if the asset exists in another area, it would look like that it didn't do anything
19:41 <+perlDreamer> but it would be imported/updated in it's current spot
19:42 <+perlDreamer> we need some more details to know exactly what's going on to help you, David_
19:42 < David_> ok i have a separete server in which development is done before taking it to live, they export the content as wgpkg files
19:43 < David_> both boxes are on same webgui version
19:44 < David_> so im trying to imported them to my live box, content doesn't exist on live box
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19:45 <+perlDreamer> what kind of content are you trying to import?  Have you tried to import this package on a demo server?
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19:47 < David_> its just page layout with links
19:47 < David_> simple content
19:48 <+perlDreamer> and when you import the package, it doesn't show up in the asset manager, there are no new version tags created (checking all lists of version tags in the Admin Console) and there are no error messages in the webgui log, or the apache error log.
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19:49 < David_> no erros on webgui.log even when i change to debug
19:49 < David_> i am  trying to imported them to the same source machine
19:52 < David_> just to get the correct steps to export you go to metadata and say yes to make a package and make tis asset exportable?
20:01 < David_> nothing i can't even on same box
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20:08 <+perlDreamer> well, again, if you import a package on a box, where an asset exists with the same assetId, it will try to update that asset
20:08 <+perlDreamer> the only way to tell for sure what happened is to check the version tags
20:09 <+perlDreamer> make sure that a new version tag was created, and maybe committed, recently
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20:35 < SquOnk> Greetings
20:35 <+perlDreamer> SquOnk, greetings
20:36 < SquOnk> 7.7.26 already made it into Debian ;-)
20:36 <+perlDreamer> that was fast
20:36 <+perlDreamer> barring any more catastrophes, the next 7.7 will be in two weeks
20:36 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: Good.
20:37 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: When is 7.8 due to be declared stable?
20:37 <+perlDreamer> feature freeze is next week
20:37 <+perlDreamer> when we get all fixable bugs closed, then it goes stable
20:37 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: The Debian Freeze is expected for december/january and it would be nice if it were stable by then.
20:38 <+perlDreamer> we'll do the best we can, but can't make promises
20:38 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: I know
20:41  * perlDreamer heads out for a run
20:42 <+perlDreamer> SquOnk, you may find this interesting: http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/11212
20:54 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: Hm. Spanish could fit there too
21:01 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: FWIW, I'm aware of the new messages in the shipping modules, I've just not done the research on them
21:01 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: (We're currently on the 8th week of the term. I'm grading 40 mid-terms today, will have to grade 25 mid-terms tomorrow, plus 12 programming projects... everything before friday)
21:02 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: It's a good thing I can use 'prove' to grade the programming projects ;-)
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21:28 < dionak> does anyone know if you can use custom form controls with Thingy?
21:32 <@Haarg> pretty certain you can
21:36 < dionak> i noticed a form control must have isDynamicCompatible set to true to turn up in the list of field types
21:37 < dionak> sweet. it works. :)
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22:49 < dionak> can someone help me with a form control issue? i copied checklist.pm and made some mods. it's not saving the data in a Thing, as expected.
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22:50 <+perlDreamer> sure, dionak.  What kind of mods did you make?
22:51 < dionak> let me get my code up on pastebin
22:51 < dionak> it'll make this easier
22:53 < dionak> here we go
22:53 < dionak> http://webgui.pastebin.com/m3916c43f
22:54 < dionak> i'm trying to display a list of markets in a Thing so I can create a relation, hence the checklist.pm usage
22:54 <+perlDreamer> It should probably inherit from Form::List instead of Form::Control, but I'm still reading
22:55 < dionak> k
22:56 <+perlDreamer> the generated HTML all looks okay, it's just not saving more than 1 checkbox at a time?
22:57 < dionak> it's not saving any values
22:57 < preaction> why not inherit from CheckList and inside new() have it set the options you want?
22:57 < dionak> inheriting from List makes a lot of sense
22:57 <+perlDreamer> preaction's idea is even better
22:57 < preaction> then you don't have to copy/paste any code at all ;)
22:58 < dionak> love the idea. looking..
22:58 < preaction> I should write a blog post about that
22:58 < preaction> we do it a lot in our client work, form controls that pull from custom tables
22:59 < dionak> yes, that would make a great blog post
22:59 < dionak> are you thinking of overloading definition()?
23:00 < dionak> there's not a new()
23:00 <+perlDreamer> he may mean toHtml
23:00 <+perlDreamer> the way that Form/TimeZone does it
23:00 < preaction> no i mean new
23:00 < dionak> can you show me an example?
23:00 <+perlDreamer> why would you do it there, vs toHtml ?
23:00 <+perlDreamer> everybody calls toHtml
23:01 < preaction> sub new { my ( $class, $session, @args ) = @_; my $self = $class->SUPER::new( $session, @args ); # Now set your options here; return $self }
23:01 < preaction> everyone calls new too
23:02 < preaction> so after you get a $self, do $self->set({ options => \%myoptions });
23:02 < preaction> you'll have to get %myoptions, of course (and Tie::IxHash it if you want ordered options)
23:03 < dionak> interesting. k, i have the code to get the options already
23:03 <+perlDreamer> everybody does call new, too, but all of our core code overrides toHtml
23:03 <+perlDreamer> I hate having bad example code in the core
23:03 < preaction> the idea is that you want the options set as soon as possible, in case it's not going to call toHtml, but instead calls "getValue"
23:03 < preaction> toHtml is the right thing to do when overriding how the form control looks
23:04 < preaction> but if you're talking the Form::Country, then it should be overriding new
23:05 < dionak> is there any example in the codebase where new is being overridden?
23:05 < preaction> let me pastebin one, just a sec
23:09 < preaction> http://gist.github.com/232298
23:10 < dionak> that helps a lot. thanks preaction
23:11 < dionak> would setting the selected values be a concern for me here? or is that handled somewhere else?
23:11 < preaction> that would be handled by the superclass's toHtml method
23:11 < preaction> (which is the beauty of this method)
23:11 < dionak> ok
23:11 < preaction> also getValue handled by the superclass
23:12 < dionak> ok, so i really only need to set the options
23:12 < preaction> yup
23:12 < dionak> great. thanks guys
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23:17 < dionak> woohoo! haha...it works
23:17 <+perlDreamer> I hope he was able to work out his package problem...
23:20 <+perlDreamer> SquOnk, I agree about Spanish being a good candidate, especially if it's maintained regularly
23:20 <+perlDreamer> I would hate to see the Arabic Incident repeated on other languages
23:21 < preaction> if we could get spanish, dutch, and german all included, that'd be perfect
23:21 <+perlDreamer> yeah, I still don't have a solution for issues I brought up earlier though
23:21 < preaction> releasing with un-i18ned text?
23:22 <+perlDreamer> no
23:22 <+perlDreamer> with languages in two places (SVN and GIT), which one is canonical
23:22 <+perlDreamer> and, with two branches, how is that handled?
23:22 <+perlDreamer> if it's in the core, someone could file a bug against a translation
23:22 < preaction> i'd say the i18n.webgui.org is canonical
23:23 < preaction> and we'd have to put the translators on the spot for bugs filed against their translations
23:23 < preaction> or tell the bug reporter that they can fix it themselves if they want, via i18n.webgui.org
23:23 <+perlDreamer> so how about stable vs beta translations?
23:24 < preaction> if we include the beta translation w/ stable, that should be fine, no?
23:24 < preaction> but yeah, that's a slightly bigger issue
23:24 <+perlDreamer> i18n server always tracks beta
23:24 <+perlDreamer> which means in some cases, stable i18n is removed
23:27 <+perlDreamer> it's more like we need multiple branches for i18n, and allow the server to port changes between them, as requested by the translators.
23:29 <@Haarg> is there a reason to not just move the translations into core?
23:29 <+perlDreamer> download size
23:29 <+perlDreamer> translation server doesn't work with git yet
23:30 <+perlDreamer> no way to track multiple branches (stable/beta)
23:30 <+perlDreamer> those aren't reasons not to do it
23:30 <+perlDreamer> those are questions that need answers/solutions
23:32 <+perlDreamer> even if the answers are:
23:32 <+perlDreamer> download size doesn't matter
23:32 <+perlDreamer> can't use core languages with the translation server
23:32 <+perlDreamer> we only track beta on the translation server
23:32 <+perlDreamer> those are fine, as long as they're understood by us and all the translators
23:43 <+perlDreamer> The EU tax driver uses SOAP::List, and it wasn't ever added to testEnvironment.pl
23:43 <+perlDreamer> SOAP::Lite
23:44 <@Haarg> it shouldn't
23:44 <@Haarg> it isn't used in the code anywhere
23:44 <+perlDreamer> It's used in the EU tax driver
23:44 <+perlDreamer> it's new
23:45 <@Haarg> 'use SOAP::Lite' is the only refernce
23:45 <@Haarg> *reference
23:45 <@Haarg> it isn't needed
23:45 <+perlDreamer> and the test runs okay without it
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23:53 < CIA-49> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r053fe47 / (3 files in 2 dirs): Fix rendering treeview rendering issues with debug and minimized JS. - http://bit.ly/F3cRD
23:53 < CIA-49> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * ra0d2c23 / (3 files in 3 dirs): 
23:53 < CIA-49> webgui: Fix module use issues. Fixes bug#11222
23:53 < CIA-49> webgui: Remove bad use line from TaxDriver/EU.pm
23:53 < CIA-49> webgui: Add line for TT2 in testEnvironment.pl - http://bit.ly/48XH6I
23:54 < SquOnk> That means SOAP::Lite is not needed?
23:54 <+perlDreamer> right
23:58  * SquOnk takes note that dependencies need to be re-checked for the next release
23:59 <+perlDreamer> we added one for Template::Toolkit 2.20
23:59 <+perlDreamer> and removed a use line for SOAP::Lite, which used to be required, and then wasn't, and then was accidently required but not actually needed, and is now fixed
--- Day changed Thu Nov 12 2009
00:00 <+perlDreamer> which I guess brings up a point
00:00 < SquOnk> Good
00:00 <+perlDreamer> HTML::Template::Expr are marked as optional, but since those plugins are loaded by the default config, they really aren't optional
00:01 <+perlDreamer> Template::Toolkit is/should be the same way
00:01  * SquOnk working out tomorrow's class exercises
00:01  * perlDreamer recommends, squats, pushups, situps and burpees
00:01 <@Haarg> the default config doesn't include Expr
00:02 <+perlDreamer> good point
00:02 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: Well, they tend to do that when Prolog's involved :-)
00:02 <+perlDreamer> but preload.perl will load them anyway
00:02 < preaction> right, but they're preloaded anyway
00:02 <+perlDreamer> maybe that's the problem there
00:02 < SquOnk> I'm doing 8-queens, then MxN-queens, then SEND + MORE = MONEY...
00:02 < SquOnk> ...then Hanoi Towers, then Antwerpen Towers...
00:03 < SquOnk> ...and if time permits, I'll do some generate-fail-collect examples
00:03 < SquOnk> I came up with an evil "initial assignment" for them.
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00:17 < CIA-49> webgui: Fix module use issues. Fixes bug#11222
00:17 < CIA-49> webgui: Remove bad use line from TaxDriver/EU.pm
00:17 < CIA-49> webgui: Add line for TT2 in testEnvironment.pl - http://bit.ly/1LiFQ5
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00:28 < SquOnk> Is there a way to make users unable AT ALL to access their profiles (even if they knew the URL and typed it by hand)?
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02:10 < xdanger> hmm.. I'm doing source install (just for fun to test plebgui) and I've noticed that Net::Subnets is missing from CPAN. Is there some place that I could get it from?
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02:11 < xdanger> Oh, found a webgui forum post about it
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03:26 < daviddelikat> there seems to be a problem with hover help
03:27 < daviddelikat> it never hides a piece of hover text
03:27 <@preaction> what problem seems to be the officer?
03:27 < daviddelikat> it just keeps on piling them up on top of each other
03:27 <@preaction> what version? probably a good idea to posts a bugs about it
03:27 < daviddelikat> I'm in the bleading edge...
03:28 < daviddelikat> it just showed up recently
03:28 < daviddelikat> I was wondering if anybody is working in that area
03:29 < daviddelikat> or perhaps I have broken it myself
03:29 <@preaction> even if they are, better an extra bug than something that goes unnoticed
03:31 <+perlDreamer> where is the hoverhelp in question?
03:31 <+perlDreamer> oh, and here's another bug
03:31 < daviddelikat> its on my dev machine
03:31 < daviddelikat> http://delikat.homeip.net:8080/
03:31 <+perlDreamer> I make a bad straight-man, daviddelikat...
03:31 <+perlDreamer> it is for an asset, operation, something else?
03:32 < daviddelikat> its in the EMS submission asset
03:32 <+perlDreamer> oh, well, contact the developer and let him know about it :)
03:32 < daviddelikat> I just put together a bunch of forms into tabs and now it ...
03:32 < daviddelikat> I've been talking to him all night, no response
03:33 <+perlDreamer> some developers...
03:33 < daviddelikat> I don't like talking to myself
03:33 < daviddelikat> its bad for business
03:33 < daviddelikat> i'm not sure i get the 'straight-man' thing
03:34 < daviddelikat> are we doing a cop sow theme?
03:34 < daviddelikat> s/sow/show/
03:34 < daviddelikat> my dragnet is pretty rusty
03:35 <+perlDreamer> not a cop show, comedy stand-up
03:36 < daviddelikat> heres a pic http://imagebin.ca/view/Sn5FiC.html
03:37 < daviddelikat> thats kinda rusty too
03:37 < daviddelikat> last standup routine I saw was ~ 20 years ago in the smokey lounge at my frat house
03:40 < daviddelikat> now that I think about it I think I've seen this before
03:40 < daviddelikat> but as usual I can't recollect how it was fixed...
03:40 <+perlDreamer> is this the standard asset edit form?
03:40 < daviddelikat> no its malformed by my program
03:41 < daviddelikat> :)
03:42 < daviddelikat> when you click the edit button it gives the normal form and hoverhelp is fine there
03:42 <+perlDreamer> is this Submission, or SubmissionForm
03:42 < daviddelikat> so chances are i messed something up
03:43 < daviddelikat> 'num1' is submissionForm; 'title' is submission
03:56 < daviddelikat> restarting
03:57 < daviddelikat> i :( cache ; cache is :(
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04:05 < daviddelikat> I think the problem is that I have it run through process style twice...
04:06 < daviddelikat> no thats not it
04:06 <@preaction> yeah that could be a problem, esp. if the first one doesn't have a head.tags
04:07 <@preaction> when a style is processed, the head tags get zeroed out
04:07 <@preaction> (iirc)
04:07 <@preaction> much of webgui is very stream-based, very single-request oriented
04:10 < daviddelikat> one part was getting double processing
04:10 < daviddelikat> cross your fingers
04:10 < daviddelikat> brb
04:23 <+perlDreamer> I'm off to orchestra practice
04:23 <+perlDreamer> catch y'all later tonight
04:23 < daviddelikat> enjoy
04:23 <@preaction> indeed
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06:35 < elnino> I created a prototype with children, but when I clicked on the prototype in the admin bar,it only creatd the top level asset... How may I get it's children copied over as well?
06:35 <@preaction> you have to use packages for that
06:36 < elnino> k. let me try.
06:38 < elnino> hmm. ok. It would be nice if it opened the top level asset for editing, if I create an rfe for that, do I have a chance that it be implemented?
06:39 < elnino> or maybe an option. I can see benefits to both. 
07:01 < CIA-49> webgui: daviddelikat master * r3b9902e / (11 files in 7 dirs): cleaned up the EMS submission system - http://bit.ly/GhZ4o
07:01 < CIA-49> webgui: daviddelikat master * rf1ccdb0 / t/Asset/Wobject/EventManagementSystem.t : fixed a test - http://bit.ly/1CB4o8
07:01 < CIA-49> webgui: daviddelikat master * rd0c8554 / (8 files in 7 dirs): Merge branch 'master' into EMS - http://bit.ly/2iR8Gz
07:01 < CIA-49> webgui: daviddelikat master * rc089da4 / docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt : added comment to the changelog - http://bit.ly/2sqviV
07:12 < daviddelikat> off for tonight
07:13 < elnino> bye
07:13 < daviddelikat> probably bakc on Saturday
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08:10 <+perlDreamer> everybody went home...
08:31 <@preaction> you still have me to kick around
08:31 <@preaction> oh, wait, no, bedtime
08:31 <+perlDreamer> nooo....!!!!
08:32 <+perlDreamer> okay, bedtime
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16:26 <+BartJol> plainhao: can you remove items from the bazaar?
16:27 <+BartJol> JDanPl accidently added an iten 2 times
16:27 <+BartJol> his internet connection is flapping, so he asked me to ask it
16:29 <@plainhao> bazaar? i'll see if i can, but i might not have privileges there
16:29 <+BartJol> well, I'll just ask the next
16:37 <@plainhao> doesn't seem i have privileges, BartJol
16:37 <+BartJol> ok
16:37 <+BartJol> no problemo
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17:48 <+BartJol> preaction: wake?
17:48 <+BartJol> awake?
17:48 <@preaction> yep, sup?
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17:49 <+BartJol> JDanPl added a bazaar item twice accidently
17:49 <+BartJol> he asked me to remove it, but I can't
17:49 <@preaction> url?
17:49 <+BartJol> so now I'm asking you
17:50 <+BartJol> http://www.webgui.org/bazaar/grouptextup-and-groupidtextup2
17:50 <@preaction> ooh, i like that better than the normal grouptext macro
17:51 <@preaction> then if the number of items is odd, the last one could be a catch-all
17:51 <@preaction> but okay, i'll delete this one
17:51 <+BartJol> yeah, the macro is nice, I saw a preview
17:53 <@preaction> done
17:53 <+BartJol> gratias
17:53 <+BartJol> s/t/c/
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18:35 <+perlDreamer> it's time to play everybody's favorite game show
18:35 <+perlDreamer> how long does it take for the progress bar to die
18:35 <+perlDreamer> I'm your host, perlDreamer, and today's guest website is heavily loaded
18:35 <+perlDreamer> Will it finish, or not?
18:36 <+BartJol> ooh
18:36 <+perlDreamer> our first contestant, from the Netherlands.  What do you think?
18:36 <+BartJol> I think it will break horribly
18:37 <+BartJol> leaving traces around the globe
18:37 <+perlDreamer> so far the process has been running for 6 minutes
18:37 <+perlDreamer> any rebuttals from the audience?
18:39 <+BartJol> what can I win?
18:39 <+perlDreamer> A free web-based Content Management System capable of scaling up to enterprise needs.
18:39 <+perlDreamer> With a newly fixed progress bar
18:40 <+BartJol> that's a fairytale
18:40 <+perlDreamer> well, at least half of it is
18:42 <+BartJol> well, I'm of impregnating my wall tiles
18:42 <+BartJol> eeeh
18:42 <+BartJol> that was a dutchism
18:43 <+BartJol> no babies of mine are on their way
18:43 <+BartJol> adieu
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18:45 <+perlDreamer> just dies at 8:45
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19:15 <@preaction> what's Bart's last name? he contribued a macro to core and he's not on the docs/credits.txt
19:16 <@preaction> also didn't Trex contribute some fixes?
19:17 <@preaction> and Rogier and other people from the TWG
19:17 <@preaction> Patspam's contemporary, Andy contributed some icons
19:17 <@preaction> is that Andy Grundman?
19:21 <+perlDreamer> Jol
19:21 <+perlDreamer> Andy Smith
19:21 <+perlDreamer> Rogier is Rogier Voogt
19:21 <+perlDreamer> serif is...
19:21 <+perlDreamer> that tall dark haired lady from Knowmad
19:24 <+perlDreamer> I think Rory contributed some things as well
19:25 <+perlDreamer> and some people from a place called Plain Black did a few things
19:27 <@preaction> yeah, i'm adding Hao, Paul, and Steve Opal
19:27 < nuba> wasnt it pain back? ;)
19:27 <+perlDreamer> Also Meg, John and Tabb
19:27 <@preaction> they're in there
19:27 <@preaction> what about Lauralyn?
19:27 <+perlDreamer> from what I can remember, she hasn't contributed any code
19:28 <+perlDreamer> just huge amounts of forum posts, bugs, RFEs and wiki pages
19:28 <@preaction> but did Koen contribute code?
19:28 <@preaction> i know Laura Rummage didn't, she was a tech writer
19:29 <@preaction> Kristi is on there too
19:29 <@preaction> Jamie Vrbsky
19:29 <@preaction> etc...
19:29 <@preaction> Alan Smithee... nice...
19:31 <+perlDreamer> Koen may indeed have done some coding
19:31 <+perlDreamer> Care to consult on a bug?  It's the progress bar dying bug.
19:31 <@preaction> sure
19:31 <+perlDreamer> You need a big website, and to run Edit Branch on it
19:32 <+perlDreamer> The PB just freezes/dies
19:32 <+perlDreamer> Web browser says done
19:32 <+perlDreamer> but it doesn't do any redirecting
19:32 <@preaction> does the edit branch complete?
19:32 <+perlDreamer> no
19:32 <@preaction> you're running the WRE right?
19:32 <+perlDreamer> yes
19:32 <@preaction> check /data/wre/var/logs/wremonitor.log and see if wremonitor killed anything
19:33 <+perlDreamer> oooh!
19:34 <+perlDreamer> Log says all is well with MySQL, and spectre.
19:34 <+perlDreamer> nothing about apache in it near the times it's shutdown
19:34 <@preaction> does it stall before it quits?
19:35 <@preaction> is Bart from Procolix?
19:35 <+perlDreamer> I don't know, and yes
19:35 <+perlDreamer> it's runaway monitor
19:35 <@preaction> you're running that?
19:36 <@preaction> or the wremonitor's runaway monitor?
19:36 <+perlDreamer> it's some cron job
19:38 <@preaction> rogier is United Knowledge right?
19:38 <+perlDreamer> Yes
19:41 < CIA-49> webgui: Doug Bell master * r3561165 / docs/credits.txt : added a bunch of nice people - http://bit.ly/Kibdl
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19:49 <+perlDreamer> mducharme contributed some LDAP fixes
19:49 <+perlDreamer> documentation rewrites
19:49 <+perlDreamer> also david delikat
19:50 <@preaction> right, David
19:50 <@preaction> mducharme... need a real name for that one
19:51 <+perlDreamer> mducharme-work: ping
19:52 <+perlDreamer> I really, really like template attachments
19:52 <+perlDreamer> I think it has one unthought of feature
19:52 <@preaction> that's frodwith care of the Alumni group
19:52 <+perlDreamer> and that is that you can now easily find out every file that a template uses
19:53 <+perlDreamer> so that if we wanted to change underying PB include files, you could walk through the attachments and upgrade custom templates
19:53 <@preaction> that was one of the reasons i wanted it ;)
19:53 <@preaction> hell, that was the main reason i wanted it
19:53 <+perlDreamer> well, you and frodwith are brilliant
19:53 <+perlDreamer> even if the code needed some i18n
19:53 <@preaction> we just need to get atachments talking to filepump and then we're golden
19:54 <+perlDreamer> we need a $15M grant just to work on core code for 1 year
19:56 <@preaction> 15M? 0.15M would be enough for 3 people
20:00 <+perlDreamer> You, Haarg, JT.  You're going to need a designer or 2.
20:00 <+perlDreamer> and I'm selfish enough to want to include me, and some other non-PB folk
20:00 <+perlDreamer> because, hey, with $15M there should be enough to share
20:01 <@preaction> okay, .25M then
20:02 <@preaction> but really, with how things go, we don't need designers. we just need someone to put two html tags together
20:02 < CIA-49> webgui: Doug Bell master * r9b4ac74 / docs/credits.txt : added some more wonderful people - http://bit.ly/1oO7Cp
20:05 <+perlDreamer> I was thinking they would finish the zenification of the templates
20:06 <+perlDreamer> in any case, I'm off to the gym
20:06 <+perlDreamer> maybe I'll buy a lottery ticket, too
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21:22 < David_> 2008/10/04 00:09:46 - ERROR - spectre.conf - POE::Kernel::_dispatch_event[1012] - CRON: Response for job www.domain.com.conf-pbcron0000000000000004 had a communications error. <HTML>?<HEAD><TITLE>An Error Occurred</TITLE></HEAD>?<BODY>?<H1>An Error Occurred</H1>?500 Internal Server Error?</BODY>?</HTML>
21:22 < David_> sorry
21:22 < David_> i am getting this error everytime my forms tried to send emails
21:22 < David_> and the emails do not go out
21:24 < David_> anybody can help?
21:29 <@preaction> David_: cd /data/WebGUI/sbin; perl spectre.pl --test; and put the output in a pastebin somewhere
21:30 < David_> running connecitivy test testing mydomain.conf tests completed
21:32 <@preaction> okay, so spectre can communicate just fine. connect to the mysql database and run "SELECT COUNT(*) FROM mailQueue", are there messages in the queue?
21:32 <@preaction> that 500 error is actually caused by LWP, usually because of a timeout
21:32 <@preaction> is your site under strain?
21:32 < David_> no
21:34 <@preaction> no to which question?
21:34 < David_> site under strain
21:34 < David_> i am running the mysql coommand
21:36 < David_> count 0 
21:36 <@preaction> then all the mail is sent out
21:37 < David_> then why am i getting these errors
21:38 < David_> there are constant
21:39 <@preaction> do "SELECT * FROM WorkflowInstance WHERE workflowId='pbcron0000000000000004'" and pastebin the output (not here, to a pastebin, www.pastebin.com)
21:44 < David_> done i get empty set
21:45 <@preaction> then they were just temporary errors. spectre was having some trouble connecting to webgui
21:45 <@preaction> when a backup is running, that can happen (backups need to lock the entire site to read-only)
21:45 < David_> backups are not configure on the box yet
21:46 < David_> i get the same error every minute
21:46 < David_> that can't be normal
21:47 <@preaction> always the the pbcron00000..4? and nothing in the WorkflowInstance table? try restarting spectre
21:48 < David_> yes same pbcron
21:48 < David_> i restarted the box multiple times
21:48 < David_> doesn't matter that im commiting without approval
21:49 <@preaction> then if it's not affecting anything, i wouldn't worry about it
21:49 <@preaction> but to humor me, what does "perl spectre.pl --status" say?
21:50 < David_> i pasted it
21:51 <@preaction> what's the URL it gave you?
21:51 < David_> http://pastebin.com/m1a4660ad
21:51 <@preaction> and if you go into the site it says and type "SELECT * FROM WorkflowInstance" you get empty set?
21:53 < David_> http://pastebin.com/mb5a5cb
21:54 <@preaction> okay, nothing untoward there
21:55 <@preaction> the pbcron 00004 is the Hourly Maintenance Tasks, which doesn't do the sending mail, so really it's most likely just a temporary hiccup
21:55 < David_> ok let me try my form again
21:56 <@preaction> mail does not get sent immediately, it gets queued and sent every 15 minutes (the "Send Queued Mail Messages" scheduler entry)
21:57 < David_> ok let me try to see what happens
22:05 < CIA-49> webgui: Doug Bell master * rc9d1cba / docs/credits.txt : even more awesome people - http://bit.ly/48jGjb
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22:36 <@preaction> http://www.perl.org/ <- oh nice
22:43 <+perlDreamer> http://use.perl.org/~TeeJay/journal/39877
22:43 <+perlDreamer> I like the site redesign
22:44 <@preaction> yeah, it's great
22:44 <@preaction> also, WebGUI 8 is using Moose! yay!
22:44 <+perlDreamer> it is?
22:44 <+perlDreamer> when did that happen?
22:44 <@preaction> yup
22:44 <@preaction> last week
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22:45 <@preaction> the new Definition stuff is gonna use Moose instead
22:45 <@preaction> since we're really just reimplementing it
22:45 <+perlDreamer> maybe I should hold off working on the Style Template stuff
22:45 <@preaction> so now i can use the little parts of it
22:45 <@preaction> style template stuff?
22:45 <+perlDreamer> until y'all have it all settled down
22:45 <+perlDreamer> yeah, I have 2 wg8 jobs
22:45 <@preaction> oh monkey, yeah that's put on hold for now
22:45 <@preaction> and the TT stuff as well
22:45 <+perlDreamer> 1) Split Style out of Template
22:45 <+perlDreamer> and 2) H::T to T::T conversion
22:46 <@preaction> i mean, if you want to do it that's great, but it's not a requirement anymore
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22:46 <+perlDreamer> huh?
22:47 <+perlDreamer> so, if we're using Moose, how close is DBIx::Class and the like?
22:48 <+perlDreamer> cuz in that link I posted, T::T and DBIx::Class were the main reasons he won't use wG
22:50 <@preaction> i'm replying to it now. DBIx::Class is about 50-100% slower
22:50 <@preaction> just for instantiating an asset
22:51 <+perlDreamer> ouch
22:51 <@preaction> but i haven't done any tweaking, and WebGUI has a huge array of caching and other performance tweaks
22:52 <@preaction> so there's really no real answer there yet
22:52 <+perlDreamer> I wonder if people take the slowdown in exchange for ease of use/programming
22:53 <@preaction> yeah. my time is more expensive than CPU time
22:54 <+perlDreamer> since we're link sharing today: http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/7pVj1c0lO28/HTTP-Intermediary-Layer-From-Google-Could-Dramatically-Speed-Up-the-Web
22:55 <@preaction> yeah, saw that. seems nice if it really works
23:01 <+perlDreamer> nice reply :)
23:01 <@preaction> it pretty much is what he wants. just not mature yet
23:01 <@preaction> i'm going for Django in Perl, really
23:02 <@preaction> because he's right. both Mojo and Catalyst are just stepping stones to a site. the same bullcrap you have to write over and over (pages, blogs, etc...)
23:02 <@preaction> and since nothing is in the core, upgrading is a bitch (like Drupal)
23:04 <@preaction> (that's the reason why CTC went with us back in 6.x instead of Drupal, JT put the basic stuff into core)
23:06 <+perlDreamer> it is nice to have it all rolled together
23:06 <@preaction> exactly
23:06 <@preaction> but the downside is "where do i start adding my own stuff", i want to fix that part too
23:07 <@preaction> my problem is i know too much about frameworks and CMS and web and blah blah blah
23:07 <@preaction> and i don't have enough time to implement it all
23:10 <+perlDreamer> that's how I feel about testing
23:10 <+perlDreamer> so many tests to write
23:11 <+perlDreamer> but not so much time
23:11 <+perlDreamer> but I was very encouraged by the people who stepped up to help write macro tests
23:12 <@preaction> indeed, that is nice
23:39 <@preaction> David_: please do not private message without asking. is the pbcron000000...4 still running? is it in the WorkflowInstance table? are there new errors in the log? 
23:39 < David_> sorry
23:39 <@preaction> one possible problem could be DNS resolution, is your sitename in the /etc/hosts file pointing to localhost?
23:39 < David_> can i paste you my host file 
23:40 <@preaction> shouldn't need to, does "127.0.0.1 hostname" exist as a line in there?
23:40 < David_> yes
23:40 < David_> first line 
23:40 < David_> 127.0.0.1 localhost
23:41 < David_> well i have an issue with that i think
23:41 <@preaction> localhost is the sitename in your config file?
23:41 < David_> no
23:41 <@preaction> the first sitename in your webgui config file
23:41 <@preaction> you want 127.0.0.1 sitename
23:42 < David_> i guess a better question would be what exactly should be on my host file
23:42 < David_> i have to 127.0.0.1 localhost
23:42 <@preaction> so after "localhost", add whatever your domain name is
23:42 <@preaction> and if there are more than one, put them all, seperated by whitespace
23:43 < David_> i have a single domain and it should point to the loop address right
23:43 <@preaction> in the /etc/hosts file, yes
23:44 < David_> so i have 127.0.0.1 localhost www.domain1.com www.domain2.com
23:44 < David_> that's it
23:45 <@preaction> yeah. as long as "www.domain1.com" matches exactly the first item in the sitename : [ ... ] key of the webgui config
23:45 < David_> well the way this is configure in the sitename is  : www that's it
23:46 <@preaction> that's bad. the first entry in the sitename key should be the web-facing domain name
23:46 <@preaction> the domain name the user enters
23:46 <@preaction> if spectre tried to look up "www", it wouldn't find anything, and that could cause the error you see
23:47 <+perlDreamer> I don't believe this.
23:47 <+perlDreamer> I'm getting spam from somebody on the forums
23:47 <@preaction> nice
23:47 <+perlDreamer> What kind of public flaming do you think that deserves?
23:47 <@preaction> nuclear
23:49 < David_> so preaction how do i go about changing the sitename, is it possible ?
23:49 < David_> at least to match the host file
23:49 <@preaction> David_: yes. all you have to do is change it and then restart webgui
23:49 <@preaction> (and spectre too)
23:50 <+perlDreamer> change it in the WebGUI configuration file
23:50 <+perlDreamer> in the sitename entry
23:50 <+perlDreamer> "sitename" : [ .... ],
23:55 < David_> ok change sitename to whole www.domain.com same as i have in the host file 
23:57 < CIA-49> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r97ce509 / (8 files in 4 dirs): 
23:57 < CIA-49> webgui: Adding new Style templates and CSS from TWG.
23:57 < CIA-49> webgui: The new css/wg-css replaces /webgui.css. It is removed in this upgrade. - http://bit.ly/1AYrND
23:59 <+perlDreamer> that Rogier does nice work
23:59 <+perlDreamer> everything packaged up and documented
23:59 < David_> now at restart httpd: apr_sockaddr_info_get() failed for localhost.localdomain
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00:00 < David_> and still mail sitting there
00:00  * perlDreamer heads out to pick up kids from school
00:00 <+perlDreamer> bbiaw
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01:18 <+perlDreamer> preaction: may I move the LDAP credentials into WebGUI::Test so they can be used in multiple places without copying them?
01:19 <@preaction> sure
01:26 <+perlDreamer> LDAPLink needs an MVC makeover
01:27 <@preaction> yeah
01:30 < mducharme> what's happening with ldap?
01:31 <@preaction> how so?
01:31 <+perlDreamer> mducharme, there were two bugs filed against LDAP in wG.
01:31 <+perlDreamer> I'm just trying to build some tests to make sure we don't break anything while fixing the bugs.
01:32 <+perlDreamer> you can find the bugs on the bug board, on the 1st page.
01:33 < mducharme> ahh yes
01:33 < mducharme> I discovered that first one myself years ago
01:33 < mducharme> thought it was simply by design
01:33 < mducharme> the 11217
01:33 <+perlDreamer> bad status reporting?
01:34 <+perlDreamer> I'm going to skip the part where I try to convince you to do some hacking...
01:34 <+perlDreamer> and just ask if there's anything else weird that you've seen
01:36 < mducharme> only with the registration
01:37 < mducharme> the fact that if webgui is set for ldap auth, that the "register for an account" link or whatever the text is, all it does is gives them a webgui account for their pre-existing ldap account
01:37 <+perlDreamer> instead of driving an account back to the LDAP server?
01:37 < mducharme> very little benefit in that since the automatic registration was put in so that the webgui account gets auotmatically created
01:37 < mducharme> exactly, or instead of creating it as a standard webgui auth
01:38 < mducharme> there are situations where corporations use this thing for their public websites, and they use LDAP inside, but don't necessarily want people on the outside to have LDAP accounts, but want them to be able to register
01:39 <@preaction> yeah, that's because you can't use two auth modules at the same time
01:39 <@preaction> at least, not fully
01:39 < mducharme> you can have some users in the system with ldap accounts and some with webgui accounts though
01:39 <@preaction> yes
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01:40 < mducharme> I just think that the registration link should either be not an option when using LDAP or should actually do something useful
01:42 < mducharme> and it's often nice to use LDAP for internal staff to be able to use their network login to get into webgui and edit stuff or whatever, but also nice to allow visitors to register for webgui auth accounts
01:43 <@preaction> in that case, WebGUI should be the "Auth method to use", and you should manually make LDAP accounts for those who need them
01:43 < mducharme> webgui registration creating the user in ldap is another option, yes, but that would have to be something that could be turned on or off
01:43 <@preaction> that'd be the best way for now
01:44 <@preaction> but yes, Auth needs to be completely revisited, and we may or may not have time for 8 (but during the 8 dev cycle it will be looked at, even if we don't get to it right away)
01:47 <+perlDreamer> it would only take 1 day to fix LDAPLink
01:49 < mducharme> if automatic ldap registration worked when the site auth method to use was set to WebGUI, that would be a big improvement
01:50 < mducharme> so that accounts would not have to be manually created for ldap users while still allowing the general public to register for logins
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02:15 <@preaction> wow, this site must have thousands of orphaned version tags
02:15 <+perlDreamer> I've seen that problem several times
02:15 <+perlDreamer> I wish I knew what was doing it
02:15 <@preaction> not surprising, this site probably has 100 new tags a day
02:16 <+perlDreamer> then it should be fairly easy to find
02:16 <@preaction> how many tags do each * count for?
02:17 <+perlDreamer> that wasn't in english
02:17 <@preaction> http://github.com/plainblack/webgui/blob/master/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.18-7.7.19.pl
02:17 <@preaction> there's a * counter in that sub now
02:17 <@preaction> each * counts for 100 tags
02:18 <@preaction> 100 orphaned tags
02:18 <@preaction> this is how many hundreds i have so far
02:18 <@preaction> ***********************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************
02:18 <@preaction> wait, 600 more just happened
02:20 < mducharme> just happened just now?
02:20 <+perlDreamer> preaction went *
02:21 < mducharme> heh
02:21 <+perlDreamer> preaction, I ported that code from the other branch.  patspam rewrote the sub to be a lot faster.
02:21 <+perlDreamer> maybe it needs a unless $quiet tagged to the end of it?
02:21 <@preaction> yeah, it was fast. there was just 20000+ tags
02:22 <+perlDreamer> maybe we should pull that method out, and stick it into VersionTag?
02:22 <+perlDreamer> sounds quite useful
02:52 <+perlDreamer> preaction: when you clink on LDAP Links in the Admin Bar, what happens?
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03:31 <+perlDreamer> stupid fedora perl
03:31 <+perlDreamer> that's #2
03:31 <+perlDreamer> patspam, which ubuntu do you use?
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04:52 < topsub> hey guys
04:52 < topsub> whoa, you guys change the home page of webgui
05:48 <+patspam> perlDreamer: karmic koala
05:48 <+patspam> 9.10
05:49 <+patspam> um, desktop
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07:15 < elnino> easy question I hope: how do i get a dollar sign to show up in the variant in shop?
07:15 <+perlDreamer> that's not an easy question
07:16 <+perlDreamer> WebGUI's shop is designed to be currency agnostic
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07:16 < elnino> doh. I guess I'll go to sleep then. =)
07:16 <+perlDreamer> however, I think if you look at the template variables for the variants, you'll see a way
07:16 <+perlDreamer> to build the dropdown by hand, and to add a dollar sign
07:18 < elnino> ah. I see. I think I have it. Thanks.
07:18 <+perlDreamer> yw :)
07:19 < elnino> it's too bad that donation and events can't be related products.
07:25 <+perlDreamer> it could be a 9 character change to Asset::Sku::Product on line 1008
07:25 < elnino> cool.
07:26 < elnino> back ot he dollar sign... I could only change it where it lists the variants to edit, but not in the display of the drop list.. Infact, I don't see the drop list being built anywhere... must be magic
07:28 < elnino> oh. I see.
07:28 < elnino> it was magic.
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07:53 <+perlDreamer> wow, got kicked off
07:55 < elnino> what'd you do?
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08:20 < CIA-49> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r442a5a2 / lib/WebGUI/Operation/LDAPLink.pm : Fix pagination issues in the List LDAPLinks screen. - http://bit.ly/3p53QR
08:20 < CIA-49> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r7c94f6f / lib/WebGUI/Operation/LDAPLink.pm : Fix pagination issues in the List LDAPLinks screen. - http://bit.ly/4fP0xd
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15:41 < SquOnk> Greetings
16:23 < SDuensin> Greetings.
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16:33 < SquOnk> Is there a way for the LDAP-Profile synch to happen automatically on _every_ login by the user. I've been able to synch only on registration, admin create or admin update.
16:33 < SquOnk> Sorry, the first sentence was a question ;-)
16:37 < SDuensin> Dunno that dude.  I still need to set up LDAP for myself.
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16:49 < ckotil> sounds like a perform on login workflow would be needed to do that.
17:06 < SquOnk> ckotil: Oh. Haven't done anything like that before.
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17:13 < ckotil> Im not sure there is such a workflow trigger
17:20 < ckotil> SDuensin: Ive been wanting to do ldap for a while now to populate my groups. I finally am up to a version of webgui that i can do ldaps right out of the box. but so far i have only seen documentation populating groups when you use ldap authentication. problem is that we are using ldap for authorization only
17:21 < SDuensin> That's why I've not messed with it.  LDAP just seems funky all over.
17:23 < ckotil> we're using it all over the place. apache, our web apps (other than webgui), and unix systems
17:23 < ckotil> but for authentication we still use kerberos, our cosign (SSO) with kerberos backend
17:23 < ckotil> s/our/or
17:24 < SDuensin> All I know is that I need something.  Just not decided on what I want that to be yet.
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17:39 <@Haarg> morning patspam
17:39 <+patspam> hey Haarg
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18:37 <+perlDreamer> anyone else use OpenDNS ?
18:38 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: Is there a way for the LDAP-Profile synch to happen automatically on _every_ login by the user? I've been able to synch only on registration, admin create or admin update.
18:39 <+perlDreamer> there's a workflow for doing syn, SquOnk
18:39 <+perlDreamer> sync
18:39 <+perlDreamer> syncProfilesToLdap
18:39 <+perlDreamer> then all one would need is a workflow trigger
18:40 <+perlDreamer> or to put the workflow SyncProfilesToLdap into a frequent cron job
18:40 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: I know. I have it and it's enabled.
18:40 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: But does the sync happen on every login?
18:40 <+perlDreamer> no
18:40 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: Ok, so how do I go setting up such trigger?
18:40 <+perlDreamer> you can run a script on every login, but not a WebGUI workflow
18:41 <+perlDreamer> WebGUI::Auth, sub login
18:41 <+perlDreamer> setup a workflow containing the SyncProfileToLdap activity
18:41 <+perlDreamer> add a setting to Settings that lets you choose a workflow to run on login
18:42 <+perlDreamer> in the login sub, check to see if the workflow is defined, if so...
18:42 <+perlDreamer> see the code in createAccountSave that creates a Workflow Instance and starts it
18:42 <+perlDreamer> near line 336
18:42 <+perlDreamer> that's a workflow trigger
18:42 <+perlDreamer> and then...
18:43 <+perlDreamer> realizing what an awesome feature it is, submit an RFE with a patch for RFE day on Monday
18:43 < SquOnk> Does an RFE for that makes sense or it's something not that general?
18:43 <+perlDreamer> it makes tons of sense
18:43 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: Will do then ;-)
18:43 <+perlDreamer> much better to run a workflow than some script
18:43 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: I'll try to hack it tomorrow though
18:46 <+perlDreamer> I'm going to drop off to reset my DNS settings.  Be back quickly (I hope)...
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19:00 < perlDreamer1> yeah, that worked really well...
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19:06 < perlDreamer1> hey, dreamersgirl
19:07 < dreamersgirl> hi!
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19:29 <+patspam> perlDreamer: yesterday I was having dns issues so i revisited openDNS, but looks so commercial now
19:30 <+perlDreamer> with their for pay offering? yeah.
19:30 <+perlDreamer> Fortunately the free methods still works
19:30 <+perlDreamer> except for looking up LDAP urls that don't exist
19:30 <+perlDreamer> that will make httpd very unhappy
19:30 <+perlDreamer> had a load of 10 on my poor laptop
19:32 <+patspam> ah that's better, I can opt out of my isp's dumb "dns assistant"
19:32 <+patspam> I prefer dns lookups to fail.. since that triggers ffx to do a google search for me
19:33 <+perlDreamer> man, no dynamic window resizing in CentOS under VirtualBox
19:33 <+perlDreamer> big bummer
19:34 <+patspam> centos as guest or host?
19:34 <+perlDreamer> guest
19:34 <+perlDreamer> X in CentOS is too old
19:34 <+patspam> with virtualbox tools installed in the guest?
19:34 <+perlDreamer> yes
19:34 <+patspam> dang
19:34 <+perlDreamer> and unlike my host, I have to have a CentOS VM for release testing
19:34 <+patspam> does copy/paste work?
19:34 <+patspam> that's even more annoying when it isn't supported
19:35 <+perlDreamer> haven't tried it yet.  It's what the guest additions installer told me.
19:36  * patspam wanders off for lunch
19:36 <@Haarg> i stick to an install without X or guess additions and just use ssh
19:37 <+perlDreamer> I haven't figured out how to make FF connect to the httpd inside Vbox, which is useful sometimes
19:37 <+perlDreamer> otherwise, that's a great idea
19:37 <+perlDreamer> How do you tell the IP address?
19:38 <+perlDreamer> doesn't it create a whole virtual network to use?
19:38 <+perlDreamer> I mean, subnet.
19:38 <@Haarg> depends on how you set it up
19:38 <@Haarg> by default it just does nat, which doesn't work for that
19:40 <@Haarg> if you have it set up using a host only adapter though your machine gets a network interface for communication with the vm
19:43 <+perlDreamer> but using the host-only adapter, do you still get bridged access to the internet from the guest?
19:44 <@Haarg> yes
19:44 <@Haarg> it still functions as a gateway for the vm
19:51 < CIA-49> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r7e931ad / (5 files in 5 dirs): Fix status reporting for successful connects but bad binds. Fixes bug #11216 - http://bit.ly/3SB2Rk
19:51 < CIA-49> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rbc21f90 / (5 files in 5 dirs): Fix status reporting for successful connects but bad binds. Fixes bug #11216 - http://bit.ly/2cuX7V
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20:06 <+perlDreamer> mducharme, mducharme-work, that set of commits was LDAP changes, if you're curious.
20:06 <+perlDreamer> there will be another set in a little while
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20:27 <@preaction> wow. adding Moose and running Devel::Cover makes it take a LOT longer
20:28 <@preaction> it's been 15 minutes now, for one module's tests
20:31 <+perlDreamer> is that Moose, or Devel::Cover
20:31 <+perlDreamer> maybe you could tell Devel::Cover to ignore Moose
20:32 <@preaction> oh, duh
20:32 <@preaction> but i think i already did tell it to only include WebGUI::* modules
20:32 <@preaction> that's what wgd test --cover="" should do
20:32 <@preaction> but i suppose i should make sure
20:34 <+perlDreamer> --cover="" sets up the cover_db dir
20:34 <+perlDreamer> coverOptions is the right thing
20:35 <@preaction> when was that added? i don't remember that one
20:35  * perlDreamer doesn't know
20:35 <+perlDreamer> that's off of HEAD in master
20:35 <@preaction> i thought the default options were to just do webgui files
20:35 <@preaction> ah
20:35 <+perlDreamer> default options are select,WebGUI,ignore,^t
20:36 <+perlDreamer> I'd check the first coverage report that's generated to see if Moose crept in
20:36 <+perlDreamer> while you're waiting... :)
20:36 <@preaction> yeah, that should be "do anything in WebGUI, but ignore WebGUI/t"
20:37 <@preaction> heh, it's still building. i did two tests, the second one's running now, so another 20 minutes
20:37 <+perlDreamer> I could use some help with an LDAP test, setting up a user from inside a test
20:37 <@preaction> enough time to shower, i think something allergic to me is on my skin :(
20:37 <+perlDreamer> ugh
20:37 <+perlDreamer> go shower
20:37 <+perlDreamer> I'll keep digging
20:37 <@preaction> the "Samuel Norton" user is the root user
20:37 <@preaction> of the LDAP server
20:37 <@preaction> so he should be able to add users
20:38 <+perlDreamer> yes, I need to add a user, and then register on the test server, and then change his DN
20:38 <@preaction> but LDAP is still rather opaque to me
20:38 <@preaction> ahh
20:38 <@preaction> brb then
20:38 <+perlDreamer> how do you admin the server?
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20:44 < CIA-49> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r6c62703 / t/Auth.t : Add a test to check what the login method returns in the normal case, with no login messages. - http://bit.ly/12mjfi
20:44 < CIA-49> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r14682b7 / t/Auth.t : Add a test to check what the login method returns in the normal case, with no login messages. - http://bit.ly/1y5bSi
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21:18 < CIA-49> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rb88a7bc / (4 files in 3 dirs): Escape single quotes sent to the ProgressBar. Fixes but #11229. - http://bit.ly/3SEXIq
21:18 < CIA-49> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rdd9d158 / (4 files in 3 dirs): Escape single quotes sent to the ProgressBar. Fixes but #11229. - http://bit.ly/1So4Ax
21:21 <@preaction> perlDreamer: it's rather weird. you have to create an "ldif" file and use "ldapmodify < ldif" to modify the ldap server
21:21 <+perlDreamer> It would be easier to do it remotely
21:22 <+perlDreamer> like this: http://gist.github.com/234085
21:22 <+perlDreamer> see the code at the bottom
21:22 <+perlDreamer> connect with authority
21:22 <+perlDreamer> add a DN
21:22 <+perlDreamer> allow the user to login
21:22 <+perlDreamer> err, register, then login
21:22 <+perlDreamer> logout
21:22 <+perlDreamer> modify the DN
21:22 <+perlDreamer> then try to login in again
21:22 <@preaction> yes, it is easier to do it w/ Net::LDAP ;)
21:22 <+perlDreamer> it should fail without the patch, and auto update with the patch
21:23 <+perlDreamer> but what's the schema for adding a user
21:23 <+perlDreamer> and which users are prepopulated?
21:23 <+perlDreamer> could I see your default ldif file that you used for populating the users?
21:23 <+perlDreamer> also, it might be worth scrubbing the ldap server nightly to erase test hiccups
21:23 <@preaction> heh, i don't have it anymore :(
21:24 <@preaction> you'd be better off doing it the Net::LDAP style
21:24 <+perlDreamer> that's what I've done, but it's failing
21:24 <@preaction> let me work something up quick
21:24 <+perlDreamer> I get error code 80, "other"
21:24 <@preaction> your paste doesn't seem to have the code you're doing
21:24 <+perlDreamer> I haven't gotten past the "add user" phase yet
21:25 <@preaction> okay, let me try something then
21:31 <+perlDreamer> I stash'ed the code
21:31 <+perlDreamer> let me apply it and repaste
21:31 <+perlDreamer> http://gist.github.com/234092
21:32 <+perlDreamer> that's what I was really working with, preaction
21:32 <+perlDreamer> running in 5 minutes
21:34 <@preaction> ah, you're missing the objectClass and userPassword. let me try something and get back to you
21:35 <+perlDreamer> preaction++
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21:42 <@preaction> use strict;
21:42 <@preaction> use warnings;
21:42 <@preaction> use Net::LDAP;
21:42 <@preaction> my $ldap = Net::LDAP->new( 'smoke.plainblack.com' ) or die "Couldn't connect: $@";
21:42 <@preaction> $ldap->bind( 
21:42 <@preaction>     'cn=Samuel Norton,ou=Warden,o=shawshank', 
21:42 <@preaction>     password        => 'gooey',
21:42 <@preaction> );
21:42 <@preaction> my $result = $ldap->add( 'cn=Brooks Hatlen,ou=Convicts,o=shawshank',
21:42 <@preaction>     attr    => [
21:42 <@preaction>         cn              => 'Brooks Hatlen',
21:42 <@preaction>         givenName       => 'Brooks',
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21:42 <@preaction>         sn              => 'Hatlen',
21:42 <@preaction>         ou              => 'Convicts',
21:42 <@preaction>         o               => 'shawshank',
21:42 < xdanger> =)
21:42 <@preaction>         objectClass     => [ qw( top inetOrgPerson ) ],
21:43 <@preaction>         userPassword    => 'BrooksHatlen',
21:43 <@preaction>     ]
21:43 <@preaction> );
21:44 <@preaction> $result->code && warn "failed to add entry: ", $result->error;
21:44 <@preaction> $ldap->delete( 'cn=Brooks Hatlen,ou=Convicts,o=shawshank' );
21:44 <@preaction> $ldap->unbind;
21:44 <@preaction> http://pastie.org/697717
21:44 <@preaction> ... nice
21:44 <@preaction> http://pastie.org/697717
21:44 <@preaction> it was the missing objectClass that was causing the problem
21:44 <@preaction> LDAP... is ... weird...
21:44 <@preaction> it is incredibly powerful. it's like another relational database type if you want it to be
21:44 <@preaction> all those new databases that just store dicts/hashes of data by an ID could be implemented in an LDAP fashion
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22:57 < SquOnk> preaction: LDAP is not to be used as an RDBMS. It's painfully slow for writing.
22:57 <@preaction> really?
22:57 <@preaction> damn
22:57 < SquOnk> preaction: Yes, really.
22:57 <@preaction> it that just a product of the implementation? or is that a requirement of the protocol?
22:58 < SquOnk> preaction: If you want to have fast serializing, you'll be better of using BerkeleyDB. No relations nor joins however.
22:58 < SquOnk> preaction: A little bit of both.
22:58 <@preaction> right, but there's those new database-like systems that are just storing hashes with keys
22:58 < SquOnk> preaction: LDAP doesn't define the storage mechanism. You can have your directory on an SQL backend (which is NOT recommended AT ALL)
22:58 <@preaction> i forget what they're named now
22:59 < SquOnk> preaction: Since LDAP models data as a DAG (Directed Acyclic Graph), the relational model is quite bad for it.
22:59 < SquOnk> preaction: So, what happened was that the hierarchical model of LDAP can be deployed using several DBM databases.
22:59 < SquOnk> preaction: One stores the entries with a single primary key (objectID), the rest are for indexes.
23:00 < SquOnk> preaction: Thus, reading is blazing fast. Writing, not much.
23:00 <@preaction> KiokuDB, that's the one i'm thinking of
23:00 < SquOnk> preaction: With OpenLDAP you can even mock up a database using Perl.
23:01 < SquOnk> preaction: Take WebGUI, for instance: you _could_ handle all of the Profile part of it using LDAP. But the rest of it must be done inside a RDBMS.
23:01 < SquOnk> preaction: The hierarchichal structure of Assets in WebGUI is not exactly like the one in LDAP, and even if it were I wouldn't use LDAP to store it.
23:01 <@preaction> but LDAP is an ODBMS, like KiokuDB. WebGUI could be done (with much modification, of course) with an ODBMS
23:02 < SquOnk> preaction: Using an ORDBMS would be better, yes. That's why I push PostgreSQL so much.
23:02 < SquOnk> preaction: The lineage thing would be simpler, way faster and less prone to corruption, if subclassed tables were used.
23:04 <@preaction> i wonder if using pg would make the DBIx::Class stuff I'm doing faster than the current mysql / WebGUI::Asset
23:04 <@preaction> if we migrate to DBIx::Class, there's no cost to migrate to different dbms
23:04 <@preaction> but would we get the benefit of pg's ordbms features when using an ORM like DBIx::Class?
23:09 < SquOnk> preaction: Yes and no.
23:10 < SquOnk> preaction: You cannot use Pg extra features on the client side.
23:10 < SquOnk> preaction: You'd have to create stored procedures and use them as if they were tables.
23:10 < SquOnk> preaction: Or you have to create custom DBIx::Class methods to handle the special things Pg can do.
23:10 <@preaction> ah
23:12 < SquOnk> preaction: But the main attractive of going DBIx::Class is being able to run on almost any database, but also being able to quickly migrate from one to the other, thanks to the fairy.
23:17 <@preaction> right, i'm already doing it for that reason. i'd just like to be able to take advantage of ever more performance tweaks
23:17 <@preaction> DBIx::Class introduces some overhead, so we have to be able to do more tweaks to get it as fast or faster than our current "solution"
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23:38 <+perlDreamer> preaction, thanks
23:38 <@preaction> for?
23:39 <+perlDreamer> LDAP-ification
23:39 <@preaction> http://pastie.org/697717 <- so you got this then?
23:39 <+perlDreamer> yup
23:39 <+perlDreamer> I used the WebGUI Channel logging service
23:39 <@preaction> k
23:39 <@preaction> ah, mais oui
23:40 <@preaction> i believe i've got a great percentage of the FormBuilder tested now, at least as far as the object manipulation goes
23:40 <@preaction> just need to start messing with toHtml and the MooseX::Storage stuff (JSON serialization)
23:40 <+perlDreamer> cool!
23:40 <@preaction> once again TDD makes things easy
23:41 <@preaction> took me today, that was it. not even 5 hours
23:41 <+perlDreamer> After looking at LDAPlink code the last few days that I think we should start "sanctioned" maintenance projects
23:41 <+perlDreamer> like, making LDAPLink an actual enclosed object class
23:42 <+perlDreamer> they're things we want done, that should be small and well defined that we can hand off to anyone with tuits/time to help out
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01:21 < SquOnk> All right, I'm off
01:21 <+perlDreamer> ttyl
01:21 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: You'll be here tomorrow?
01:21 <+perlDreamer> maybe, maybe not
01:21 <+perlDreamer> housework calls
01:21 <+perlDreamer> and a model train show :)
01:21 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: Ok. I'm going to try the sync on login thing
01:21 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: Oh, you like model trains?
01:21 <+perlDreamer> you can email me if you have questions, too.
01:21 <+perlDreamer> I prefer large trains, but my sons like anything on rails
01:22 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: We have a local Perl monger that created a complete control system using Perl and his craftsmanship as an electrical engineer
01:22 <+perlDreamer> wow!
01:22 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: And he showed us how it works about six meetings ago.
01:22 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: Progressive acceleration and all...
01:23 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: He used his parallel port to control a home-made signal amplifier connected to the rails where he multiplexed digital pulses.
01:23 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: Very cool stuff.
01:23 <+perlDreamer> sounds like home built DCC
01:23 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: He's no programmer. He hacked up a PerlTk control system to move the trains around...
01:23 < SquOnk> ...the changers and even a home-made turntable.
01:24 < SquOnk> Very cool stuff.
01:24 < SquOnk> Anyway, I'm off.
01:24 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: Thanks, I'll write if I get stuck.
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01:58 <+perlDreamer> man, that took a very long time
02:01 <+perlDreamer> but LDAP DN updates are done
02:02 <+perlDreamer> preaction, just so you know, you can't use replace of modify to change the DN of an entry
02:02 <+perlDreamer> you have to use moddn
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02:29 < CIA-49> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r7eddaab / lib/WebGUI/Asset/File/GalleryFile/Photo.pm : i18n the Add Photo save button - http://bit.ly/CP9Oy
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03:15 < CIA-49> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * ra03d7e8 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Allow other users to save photos into another user's album. Fixes bug #11228. - http://bit.ly/2sR8ei
03:17 <+perlDreamer> 5 bugs fixed today
03:17 <+perlDreamer> not too shabby
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20:06 < daviddelikat> HELLO HeLlo Hello hello
20:06 < daviddelikat> is there anybody in there?
20:06 < daviddelikat> just nod if you can hear me
22:14 < fokat> Hi guys
22:14 < fokat> Squonk spoke yesterday with someone about updating the user profile on each login
22:14 < fokat> I have the patch ready.
23:02 <@preaction> fokat: if it's a new feature, you should post it to the RFE board: http://webgui.org/rfe
23:03 <@preaction> if it needs to be tested (anything non-GUI needs to be tested), or internationalized, that will have to be done before it can go into the core
23:04 <@preaction> otherwise, if it's all i18ned and templated and tested, if it gets approved it'll go right in
23:08 < fokat> preaction: Thanks. Will do that
23:09 <@preaction> but yeah, post it there and we'll help you get it in
23:15 < fokat> preaction: Done. RFE #11230
23:16 < fokat> Also attached the patch
23:18 < daviddelikat> preaction: is it possible to get WG to put a stack dump in the log when an error occurs?
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00:44 <@preaction> daviddelikat: add %T to the Pattern in the log.conf
00:44 <@preaction> see the dogs for Log::Log4Perl
00:44 < daviddelikat> thanks
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18:33 < SquOnk> Greetings
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03:33 < elnino> need a pointer...client would like to have nightly builds posted to website...
03:33 < elnino> is that a workflow? activity? system cron with a macro displaying files?
03:35 < elnino> brb in 45 minutes
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04:28  * elnino reads dev book for ideas
04:28 <@preaction> elnino: do you need webgui to build it?
04:28 <@preaction> or is it already built? is there an RSS feed with the build reports maybe?
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04:55 < elnino> preaction. no. webgui doesn't need to build it. it's already built. webgui has a fileimport utility script that will work well I believe.
04:59 < elnino> is there a way to just list all the entries in the bazaar?
04:59 <+perlDreamer> not yet
04:59 <+perlDreamer> You haven't written that RFE yet
04:59 <+perlDreamer> :)
04:59 < elnino> =)
05:00 <+perlDreamer> I'm working on an RFE that will change the face of WebGUI and affect the whole world
05:00 < elnino> I like tagging and all, but I don't like how OTHERs tag things.
05:00 < elnino> sounds serious.
05:00 <+perlDreamer> It is.
05:00 <+perlDreamer> I'm getting JT to shave
05:00 < elnino> lol
05:00 <+perlDreamer> no, seriously
05:00 <+perlDreamer> I'm adding the option to pick a language from the site starter
05:01 < elnino> ah. nice.
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05:43 < elnino> hmm. where are the system reuirements stated in the wiki? searching for "requirements" only comes up with LDAP
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05:53 <+perlDreamer> try searching for memory
05:53 < elnino> nope
05:54 <+perlDreamer> fokat, do you have any questions about my RFE feedback?
05:54 < elnino> I mean, nope, no reults. =(
05:54 <+perlDreamer> table of contents?
05:54 <+perlDreamer> maybe we don't have one yet?
05:56 <+perlDreamer> http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/system-requirements
05:56 < elnino> ok. why didn't http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/system-requirements come up by searching "requirement"? - I have nothign but problems with wiki searchs
05:56 < elnino> found it too. =)
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06:06 < daviddelikat1> getting ready to push EMS submissions mach 2
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06:28 < daviddelikat1> perlDreamer: I have two test modules that are failing due to 'bad plan'
06:29 < daviddelikat1> USPSInternational and Spectre/Workflow
06:29 <+perlDreamer> hm
06:29 < daviddelikat1> any suggestions?
06:29 <+perlDreamer> yes.
06:29 <+perlDreamer> please paste me some output
06:30 < daviddelikat1> do you want verbose?
06:30 <+perlDreamer> definitely
06:30 <+perlDreamer> but only for those two tests
06:30 < daviddelikat1> and whats that command to send nopaste to gist?
06:30 < daviddelikat1> of course
06:30 <+perlDreamer> nopaste -S gist
06:31 < daviddelikat1> I get an error from nopaste, I'll just use the default...
06:32 < daviddelikat1> oops, gotta redirect stderr... I'll get it eventlually
06:32 < daviddelikat1> http://pastie.org/700562
06:32 <+perlDreamer> it would be easier if you just signed up for a dev key from the USPS
06:33 < daviddelikat1> theoretically...
06:33 <+perlDreamer> okay, USPSInternational fixed
06:33 <+perlDreamer> Spectre/Workflow is an awful test
06:33 <+perlDreamer> if spectre is running, it will fail
06:33 <+perlDreamer> I'm probably going to remove it
06:33 < daviddelikat1> there is a skip that says 8 when there are only 7 tests
06:34 < daviddelikat1> just needs to have the skip and the plan fixed
06:34 < daviddelikat1> you want me to change it?
06:34 <+perlDreamer> yeah!
06:34 < daviddelikat1> done
06:34 < CIA-49> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rd14fcd9 / t/Shop/ShipDriver/USPSInternational.t : Fix test plan for SKIPS. - http://bit.ly/4ueYPG
06:35 < elnino> as far as templates go, h1 in styles, h2 layouts h3 assets. Is that still correct? anyone know?  when did that start?
06:36 <+perlDreamer> it started in 7.7.15
06:36 <+perlDreamer> and that sounds correct, elnino
06:36 <+perlDreamer> the Template Working Group forum is the place to check for that
06:37 <+perlDreamer> and hopefully, some wiki pages, too
06:37 <+perlDreamer> Template Best Working Practices?
06:37 < CIA-49> webgui: daviddelikat master * r7f6c24e / (10 files in 6 dirs): rather a lot of debugging in the EMS Submission system - http://bit.ly/3w1s0m
06:37 < daviddelikat1> thar she blows!
06:37 < CIA-49> webgui: daviddelikat master * r4278058 / (30 files in 19 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git@github.com:plainblack/webgui - http://bit.ly/1seGNy
06:37 < CIA-49> webgui: daviddelikat master * r26ef90d / t/Shop/ShipDriver/USPSInternational.t : Merge branch 'master' of git@github.com:plainblack/webgui - http://bit.ly/1BMybq
06:37 < CIA-49> webgui: daviddelikat master * r9dd7056 / (t/Asset/EMSSubmissionForm.t t/Spectre/Workflow.t): fixed tests - http://bit.ly/31j77q
06:37 <+perlDreamer> nice :)
06:38 <+perlDreamer> although, Spectre/Workflow.t tests should be backported to webgui_7.7
06:38 <+perlDreamer> with that commit structure, that'll have to be done by hand
06:38 < daviddelikat1> I should be able to checkout webgui_7.7 and fix it right?
06:38 <+perlDreamer> yes
06:38 < daviddelikat1> I'll get it right now
06:38 <+perlDreamer> create a branch of origin/webgui_7.7 to work in
06:38 <+perlDreamer> just like you would master
06:39 < daviddelikat1> ( otherwise it could have bene cherry picked...
06:39 < daviddelikat1> right ? )
06:39 <+perlDreamer> yes
06:39 <+perlDreamer> I make lots of and lots of small commits now
06:39 <+perlDreamer> because it's easier to do multiple cherry picks than to duplicate work by hand
06:39 < daviddelikat1> I've been trying to remember to do that too
06:39 < daviddelikat1> takes a whilel to break old habts
06:41 < daviddelikat1> do I need to pull anything special to get that branch?
06:41 <+perlDreamer> when you make the branch, you should need to do a pull to populate it
06:41 <+perlDreamer> git checkout --track -b webgui_7.7 origin/webgui_7.7
06:41 <+perlDreamer> I think that's the right command
06:42 <+perlDreamer> that will create the branch and put you into it
06:42 <+perlDreamer> then do a git pull
06:42 <+perlDreamer> and you should be good to go
06:43 < daviddelikat1> it says fatal: ... update path is incomplete
06:44 < daviddelikat1> did you intend to checkout 'orgin/webgui_7.7'' which cannot be resolved as a commit?
06:44 < daviddelikat1> sorry I had to type it all in, no copy paste from vnc
06:46 < elnino> thanks perlDreamer.
06:46 <@preaction> remotes/origin/webgui_7.7
06:47 < daviddelikat1> same thing
06:47 < daviddelikat1> http://pastie.org/700576
06:49 < daviddelikat1> perhaps I need to do something else before I can do the checkout...
06:54 < daviddelikat1> perlDreamer: you probably could cherrypick that commit to 7.7 there are only two files in it and one of them won't exist in the 7.7 branch.
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07:55  * perlDreamer will do the right thing
07:55 <+perlDreamer> but we need to get you setup for both branches
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12:51 < CIA-49> webgui: Yung Han Khoe master * r7188b11 / (12 files in 8 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git@github.com:plainblack/webgui - http://bit.ly/1spfdh
12:53 < CIA-49> webgui: Yung Han Khoe master * rdf84c60 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Separating ThingRecord object from Thingy - http://bit.ly/3JOfYO
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15:38 < SquOnk> Greetings
15:40 <+BartJol> hi
15:43 < carogray> goodday guys - where in settings does on turn  captcha for sending emails from the website on?
15:44 <+BartJol> what kind of e-mails?
15:45 <+BartJol> i mean wherefrom?
15:45 <+BartJol> not everything can have a captcha afaik
15:45 < carogray> when people are using our contact us form and replying to us, OR, sending emails to someone else.
15:46 < carogray> I had it turned on before, but it wasn't working - didn't hav etime to describe what wasn't working to PB so turned it back off again
15:46 < carogray> now I can't figure out how to turn it on, to remember what the problem was to see if it's me or WG
15:46 < carogray> I can only find the one captcha image in authentication  tab in settings
15:47 < carogray> recaptcha in UI tab seems to be something different
15:47 < carogray> looks interesting but I don't have time to get distracted
15:48 < carogray> oh duh!
15:48 < carogray> I just didn't look at the abottom of the form
15:49 <+BartJol> :), sorry, i was in a short meating, but is it ok now?
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15:57 <+BartJol> carogray: you are ok on this?
16:04 < carogray> oh yeah - sometimes I am just so thick...got caught up with an office mate stopping by, always happens when I come IN to work.
16:05 < carogray> do you have to do anything to your templates if you have captcha for visitors turned on?
16:06 <+BartJol> normally not
16:06 <+BartJol> for default templatesa
16:07 <+BartJol> if think there is something like <tmpl_if ifCapcha><tmpl_var captcha></tmpl_if> in it
16:09 < carogray> oh - right ok.
16:09 < carogray> makes sense. I am just trying to do everything in hurry today.
16:09 < carogray> thanks
16:10 <+BartJol>  np
16:14 < SDuensin> Morning.
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16:19 <+BartJol> thankfully, I'm back to hating IE again
16:21 < SDuensin> Hehehe
16:22 < SDuensin> You gave it up for awhile?
16:22 <+BartJol> yeah, with the developer tools and tabbed browsing, quite w3c compliantcy it didn't seem that bad anymore
16:23 <+BartJol> but a pop up blocker that you just can't turn off is terrible, even select menu's don'y open
16:41 <+BartJol> reinstalling now...
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16:56 < carogray> in the ^international macro - how can I change the language that says "Verify your humanity"?
16:58 <+BartJol> as far as I can see the language cannot be passed on as a parameter to the macro
16:59 <+BartJol> carogray: from the code:
16:59 <+BartJol> Note that a particular language cannot be specified.  It uses either the
16:59 <+BartJol> current User's setting or the default language for the site.  English is
16:59 <+BartJol> always used as a fallback.
17:01 <+BartJol> so instead of the macro, you can change it to just text
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17:01 <+BartJol> but then that is "hardcoded"
17:01 <+BartJol> but if you pass on the language, the same would happen
17:04 <+BartJol> cool, a bsod
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17:17 <+BartJol> carogray: is that enough answer?
17:18 < carogray> people keep stoppping by... sorry
17:18 < carogray> so I can simply replace the whole macro - it seems to have two arguments with the text I want people to read?
17:18 <+BartJol> i'm jsut bugging, because I had to restart my windows computer for the4th time
17:19 <+BartJol> yes, it's the label and namespace
17:19 < carogray> terrific - I suspected but wasn't sure if it was also related to the image and the box to type image letters into. what's Dutch for "wunderbar"?
17:19 <+BartJol> it refers to a file and a tag in the file
17:20 <+BartJol> wonderbaarlijk
17:20 <+BartJol> it shouldn't
17:20 < carogray> ok , then that;-) thanks again.
17:21 <+BartJol> well, ie works now
17:21 <+BartJol> so I can get back to work
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17:32 <+perlDreamer> whoa
17:32 <+perlDreamer> new thingy code
17:33 <+BartJol> yeah, yung has been busy
17:35 <+perlDreamer> let's see how the test suite survived the changes
17:35 <+perlDreamer> BartJol, did you see that I coded up the language choice RFE?
17:36 <+BartJol> yeah, great!
17:36 <+BartJol> but I've been struggling witj IE the whole afternoon
17:36 <+BartJol> but I'll try a new install
17:37 <+BartJol> soon
17:38 <+perlDreamer> IE
17:38  * perlDreamer shudders
17:38 <+BartJol> yeah, had to reinstall it, 4 reboots and 1 bsod
17:38 <+BartJol> but now it opens drop down menu's....
17:38 <+BartJol> it's fantastic
17:39 <+BartJol> and if you don't see the sarcasm dropping from that remark, you need an eye-doctor
17:39 < SquOnk> BartJol: It will soon drop dead menus <g>
17:40 <+BartJol> I expect anything now
17:40 < SquOnk> BartJol: Expect the unexpected
17:41 < SquOnk> Favorite quote from "Kentucky Fried Movie"
17:43 <+BartJol> I like "With a bit of luck, his life was ruined forever, always thinking that behind some narrow doors in all his favourite bars, men in red woolen shirts are getting incredible kicks of things he'll never know" from fear and loathing in las vegas
17:43 <+BartJol> and I don't need a text reference
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17:53 <@Haarg> morning patspam
17:53 <+patspam> hey graham
17:54 <+patspam> how you doin?
17:54 <@Haarg> well enough.  still trying to wake up.
17:55 <+patspam> heh i feel you
17:56 <+patspam> today I'm house hunting
17:56 <+patspam> time to move off long island and into nyc
17:58 <+perlDreamer> make sure it's season, and that you have a license, patspam
17:58 <+perlDreamer> prosecution for poaching in New York has big fines
17:58 <+patspam> i heard they cut off your left hand?
17:58 <+perlDreamer> that's just for theft
18:00 <+patspam> hey are you using ubuntu now perlDreamer?
18:00 <+perlDreamer> not yet
18:00 <+patspam> I just discovered Gnome Do
18:01 <+patspam> freaking awesome.. i think OSX has something similar?
18:01  * perlDreamer asks Google about Gnome Do
18:02 <+patspam> it sort of combines the best of command line expressiveness with gui sexiness
18:02 <+patspam> especially if you turn on the "docky" theme
18:07 < SDuensin> Do looks cool.  Also looks frighteningly like Yahoo desktop widgets.
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18:20 <@Haarg> perlDreamer, i'm considering adding something like this http://gist.github.com/236090
18:21 <@Haarg> right now, the default message for errors in many cases doesn't include much (or sometimes any) information
18:22 <+perlDreamer> it looks like a serializer
18:22 <+perlDreamer> Looks good to me
18:23 <+perlDreamer> is the Fields method defined somewhere?
18:24 <+perlDreamer> I don't see it in the Exception::Class docs
18:24 <@Haarg> Exception::Class::Base
18:24 <@Haarg> as an example, lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm line 1268 does WebGUI::Error::ObjectNotFound->throw(id => $assetId)
18:24 <@Haarg> when stringified, that currently becomes ""
18:24 <@Haarg> which is less than helpful
18:30 <+perlDreamer> definitely
18:38 < CIA-49> webgui: Yung Han Khoe master * r3d88789 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Separating Thing object from Thingy - http://bit.ly/2EnAUa
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18:40 < CIA-49> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rfaa176d / docs/credits.txt : Give Dale credit for LDAP patches. - http://bit.ly/4ygAIa
18:40 < CIA-49> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * ra5880dd / docs/credits.txt : Give Dale credit for LDAP patches. - http://bit.ly/3Egh7P
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18:48 <+BartJol> hey
18:51 < dreamersgirl> Nice pics, BartJol!
18:51 <+BartJol> dreamersgirl: I hope you understand that more tiles to a wall eq better and newer
18:51 <+BartJol> in the beginning it was the other way
18:54 < dreamersgirl> I like the patterns.
18:56 <+BartJol> yeah, it took some thought, and thankfully my father is really interested in architecture and drawing
18:56 <+BartJol> so he helped on the interval of the tiles
18:56 <+BartJol> to get extra 3d effect
18:58 <+BartJol> perlDreamer:  is there somewhere I can check your code?
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18:58 <+perlDreamer> I can paste a patch, but JT hasn't given the go-ahead to commit yet
18:59 < dreamersgirl> forget the code.  you should see his pics!  :)
18:59 <+perlDreamer> where are they?
18:59 <+perlDreamer> http://gist.github.com/236133
18:59 <+BartJol> they're onhttp://www.bartjol.nl/home/fotoalbums/fortos/klus20091116
19:02 <+BartJol> and you get to see my father
19:02 <+perlDreamer> you have his hair :)
19:02 < dreamersgirl> who's the other guy?
19:03 <+BartJol> Arnoud and Sjoerd, freinds of mine
19:03 <+BartJol> Sjoerd is the guy in the blue shirt, cleaning the tiles
19:04 <+BartJol> perlDreamer: thanks...
19:04 < dreamersgirl> cool.  nice to have help on projects like that!
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19:05 <+BartJol> yeah, tiling is a two men job (maybe not if you're a real pro)
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19:05 <+perlDreamer> man the i18n RFE has tons of karma on it
19:06 <+BartJol> yeah, I throwed some around
19:06 < PCCC> good afternoon webgui people can anybody help me on a Authorization Required error
19:06 <+BartJol> if you want to do something else, spend all yours on another rfe
19:06 <+BartJol> sure pcc
19:06 <+BartJol> c
19:06 <+perlDreamer> you could throw some more if you committed your tests, BartJol :)
19:07 <+BartJol> yeah yeah, I know
19:07 < PCCC> the file is set view everyone
19:07 <+BartJol> PCCC: how did the file get there?
19:07 < PCCC> moved from another webgui dump
19:08 < PCCC> i'll tell you my story
19:08 <+BartJol> start at your birth :P
19:08 <+BartJol> sorry
19:08 <+BartJol> please do
19:09 < PCCC> lol well somebody here setup a webgui server super wrong, and put it live, the server had all sort of dns error and spectre, so i took the data (upload folder) and a sql dump and create a new webgui server i change the chown -Rf webgui:webgui to the upload folder
19:10 <+BartJol> very good
19:10 <+BartJol> that would be necessary
19:10 < PCCC> i cant' take the conf files because they are poiting to the wrong paths
19:10 <+BartJol> and you can use that file?
19:11 < PCCC> if i login to the admin , all my files work fine
19:13 <+BartJol> ok, so as admin on the site, it is ok, as other user it is not
19:13 < PCCC> correct
19:14 <+BartJol> well, it doesn't sound like a problem on the filesystem
19:14 < PCCC> both server are on the same version of webgui
19:15 < PCCC> could it be the www.sitename.conf file?
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19:16 < BartJol1> aoops
19:16 < BartJol1> network cable must be in computer
19:16 < BartJol1> and you did say that security settin was set to visible for everyone
19:16 < PCCC> lol
19:17 < PCCC> yes
19:17 < BartJol1> do you have anything in your error log?
19:18 < PCCC> webgui.log doesn't show any errors regarding that 
19:18 < BartJol1> perlDreamer: code looks nice
19:18 <+perlDreamer> thanks, BartJo1 :)
19:18 < PCCC> i have some rss issues but that's it
19:19 < BartJol1> PCCC: modproxy/modperl error logs?
19:19 < PCCC> modproxy is clean
19:20 < PCCC> modperl linux ::smaps errors
19:21 < BartJol1> mmm, that could be something
19:21 <@Haarg> rm /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.10.0/Linux/Smaps.pm
19:21 < BartJol1> never seen those errors though
19:22 < BartJol1> is it deprecated? or buggy?
19:22 <@Haarg> Linux::Smaps is a module that should allow modperl to measure its own memory more accurately but it is broken on red hat kernels
19:22 < BartJol1> ah
19:22 < PCCC> permission denied smaps
19:22 < BartJol1> that's why I haven't seen it, with debian/ubuntu
19:23 < BartJol1> just throw a sudo into it
19:23 < BartJol1> who doesn't want to listen, must feel
19:23 < PCCC> u want me rm /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.10.0/Linux/Smaps.pm?
19:23 < BartJol1> yes
19:23 <@Haarg> yes
19:24 < BartJol1> are you on a redhattish system?
19:24 < PCCC> done
19:24 <@Haarg> then restart modperl
19:24 < PCCC> it's the vm that webgui provides
19:24 <@Haarg> which is centos
19:24 < PCCC> 5.2
19:24 <@Haarg> the smaps problem is something we'll be fixing in future releases
19:25 <@Haarg> i haven't been following the whole conversation so i don't know if that is related to whatever your earlier problem was
19:25 <+perlDreamer> it's not likely
19:25 <+perlDreamer> it's permissions problems with an uploaded file
19:25 < BartJol1> he can't enter files as another user than admins
19:26 < BartJol1> more delicated stated by mister Kuskie
19:26 < BartJol1> delicate just isn't my middle name
19:26 < PCCC> ok BartJol1  no more smaps errors
19:27 < BartJol1> nice
19:27 <+perlDreamer> to upload files, you have to have editing permission to the page where you want to upload them
19:27 < BartJol1> and file access?
19:27 <+perlDreamer> for viewing files, that's a different story altogether
19:27 < BartJol1> you need view permissions?
19:28 < PCCC> this file is a picture for my public web
19:28 <+perlDreamer> and you can't upload it, or you can't view it?
19:29 < CIA-49> webgui: Yung Han Khoe master * rf3a4bd1 / docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.8.4-7.8.5.pl : Bugfix in thingy upgrade - http://bit.ly/xfPm6
19:29 < PCCC> i can view the picture in the asset manager , it's there but when log of its doesn't come in my layout
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19:30 < BartJol1> and if you go directly to the url of the picture?
19:30 < PCCC> before the guy that set it up said that he has seen this issue and he fixed it by bringing the old config files from another sever i guess to the one he set up (which sucks)
19:31 < PCCC> when i go directly i get the authorization required error
19:32 <+perlDreamer> and if you are logged in, and you go to the URL of the picture, it works fine
19:32 < PCCC> correct
19:33 <+perlDreamer> if you are logged in as some other user who is not admin, can you see the picture at that URL?
19:33 < PCCC> i checked both www.siten.conf files and they look the same except for the thingy part
19:33 < BartJol1> that is what i understand, with no errors in the log
19:38 < PCCC> i have no idea what it could be, the file system has the correct rights
19:39 < BartJol1> and the chmod is also correct?
19:39 < BartJol1> the modus i mean?
19:39 < PCCC> i did chown no chmod
19:39 < BartJol1> I know
19:39 < BartJol1> I don't know whether that matters
19:39 <+perlDreamer> in the filesystem, apache is always the same user
19:39 <+perlDreamer> so it won't matter
19:39 <+perlDreamer> but...
19:39 < BartJol1> ok
19:40 <+perlDreamer> in the upload area, there could be a small file called
19:40 <+perlDreamer> .wgaccess
19:40 <+perlDreamer> that contains WebGUI permissions
19:40 <+perlDreamer> if it is set wrongly, and apache cannot update it
19:40 <+perlDreamer> you could see the problem that you are having
19:42 < PCCC> i m doing a search for .wgaccess and i found 5 of them inside differente folder inside the upload folder
19:42 <+perlDreamer> check file level permissions on them
19:43 < PCCC> rw-r--r webgui
19:44 < PCCC> because i did a chwon -Rf webgui:webgui uploads
19:44 < BartJol1> have to go now, good luck
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19:46 <+perlDreamer> PCCC, next thing to do is check the contents
19:46 < CIA-49> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r7c24012 / (4 files in 4 dirs): In the site starter, allow users to pick the default language for a site based on installed language packs. Adds RFE #10727. - http://bit.ly/3pz7B6
19:46 <+perlDreamer> drat, he just missed it
19:48 < PCCC> by the content you mean the actual picture?
19:48 <+perlDreamer> the contents of the .wgaccess file
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19:57 < PCCC> perlDreamer am i supposed to have .wgaccess files in all my folders or can i just delete them?
19:58 <+perlDreamer> they denote files with special access privileges
19:58 <+perlDreamer> so I would not delete them
19:58 < PCCC> ok
19:59 <+perlDreamer> what you want to do is see if the file you uploaded has a .wgaccess file in it, and if so, to find the permissions that are stored in it
20:00 < PCCC> i checked the folder and it doesnt contain a .wgaccess file on the folder 
20:02 <+perlDreamer> Have you cleared the Cache in WebGUI, and Temporary Internet Files on your browser?
20:02 < PCCC> yes sir, using 3 different pcs to test
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20:03 < PCCC> im looking at my modproxy config and i see a difference in "dial with port number in http_host
20:03 <+perlDreamer> and when you get the error message in your browser, what is the exact error message?
20:04 < PCCC> that section is not on my new config 
20:05 <@Haarg> can you post your site's modproxy config on http://webgui.pastebin.com ?
20:07 < PCCC> http://webgui.pastebin.com/m19a2a5fe
20:10 <@Haarg> that all looks correct to me
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21:17 <@preaction> damnit. so my idea to keep tabs, fields, and fieldsets seperate in the new FormBuilder won't work
21:18 <@preaction> how do you get a button on both the top and bottom? for example
21:18 <@preaction> a captcha on the bottom and a normal keyword field on top?
21:19 <@preaction> it's like i need a way to put all the objects into a single array
21:20 <@preaction> fields, fieldsets, and tabsets
21:21 <+perlDreamer> you're saying they need to interrelate
21:22 <@preaction> not sure what interrelate means, but i need to do this:
21:22 <@preaction> [ WebGUI::Form::Text, WebGUI::FormBuilder::Fieldset, WebGUI::Form::Submit ]
21:23 <+perlDreamer> yes, they're related by sequence
21:23 <@preaction> i could just keep tabs somewhere special (either top or bottom, based on a configuration)
21:23 <@preaction> or I could make a Tabset object as well
21:24 <@preaction> then you could have two tabsets each containing 3 tabs with a fieldset between them
21:31 <@preaction> duh. the ordering can all be done in the template
21:32 <@preaction> but tabsets may still be a good idear
21:49 < CIA-49> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r1db4a7f / (3 files in 3 dirs): Allow file globbing in preload.exclude - http://bit.ly/UNHmQ
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22:26 < PCCC> question can anybody explain why would my modproxy would stop working after a mysql import
22:31 <@preaction> because it can't connect to modperl?
22:33 < PCCC> but all of the sudden, it was working fine 10 min ago
22:34 <@preaction> but immediately after a mysql import it stopped working?
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22:39 < PCCC> yes
22:40 < PCCC> as soon as i do the import i get "an error has occurred" and i try  to restart the servvices and they don't work
22:40 < PCCC> modproxy and modperl
22:41 <@preaction> what says "an error has occurred", and what is a mysql import? are you trying to restore WebGUI from a backup?
22:41 < PCCC> however when i bring an older backup copy of the same database it works
22:41 < PCCC> well i m porting the files from another server to a new host
22:42 <@preaction> what says "an error has occurred"? what is the full error message exactly? what is the command you are running exactly?
22:43 < PCCC> mysql -u root -p database < sql dump file
22:44 <@preaction> you named your file "sql dump file"?
22:57 < ckotil> just sql
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23:35 < elnino> hi. I have fedora 2.6.30.9-96.fc11.i686.PAE installed, whiich wre do I use? rhel 5,4, or 3?
23:38 <+perlDreamer> 5
23:38 <+perlDreamer> well...
23:38 <+perlDreamer> yeah, 5
23:38 < elnino> how do you find that out?
23:39 <+perlDreamer> RHEL is based on Fedora
23:39 <+perlDreamer> the latest centos is 5
23:39 < elnino> right
23:40 < elnino> centos?
23:40 <+perlDreamer> CentOS is RHEL recompiled without branding
23:41 < elnino> whoops. I though fedora was based on redhat.
23:42 < ckotil> it is.
23:43 < ckotil> oh , vice versa. :x
23:44 < elnino> well, what kernal does rhel 5 have?
23:44 < elnino> is it 2.6?
23:45 < ckotil> yes.
23:46 < elnino> ok. so I do want 5. thanks ckotil and perlDreamer
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00:01 <+perlDreamer> I'm off to pick up the boys from school.
00:02 <+perlDreamer> If all goes well, WebGUI 7.8.5 will be the first WebGUI shipped with language packs.
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00:08 < topsub> if i build a site in webgui. Can it change lang on the fly? Is anything like that built?
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00:10 < topsub> Or waht would be the best way to handle that?
00:11 < elnino> topsub. the content needs to be translated, so you'll have a site for each language.
00:11 < elnino> and there are some things on the bazaar that may help a user to switch between languages
00:11 < elnino> OR
00:12 < elnino> if you are talking about webgui's admin interface, apparantly there is translations that can be changed on the fly.
00:12 < elnino> but back to the bilingual content,
00:12 < topsub> Just the frontend
00:12 < topsub> We have a client that would like a site in spanish and english
00:12 < elnino> you can have "multiple" sites by having multiple "roots"
00:12 < elnino> then I'd do multiple roots.
00:13 < elnino> root for english, and a root for spanish. - each being their own "site" whose content has been translated.
00:14 < elnino> I had a site that had 18 languages each with their own root. 
00:14 < elnino> design stays the same that way.
00:14 < elnino> and as far as translating the navigation assets, I had a macro pulling in the correct one based on what root the visitor was visiting.
00:15 < elnino> scratch that.. I had to do that for a nother reason. You shouldn't have to do that.  =)
00:25 < topsub> ah
00:26 < elnino> hope that makes sense AND helps.
00:26 < topsub> yes it does
00:26 < topsub> client only wants certain pagesi n spanish
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00:31 <+perlDreamer> topsub, some i18n tools for doing that were just added to 7.8
00:31 <+perlDreamer> and there is some stuff in the Bazaar you should look at
00:32 < topsub> perfect, i'm making notes now, will take a look
00:34 <+perlDreamer> topsub, this one in particular: http://www.webgui.org/bazaar/languagepageswitch
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00:35 <+perlDreamer> starting in WebGUI 7.8.5, WebGUI will ship with the Spanish translation for the front end, and have a macro that lets users change their language on the fly
00:35 < topsub> nice! we need a way if we are logged into "bookmark" addons, like on themeforest
00:35 < topsub> themeforest.net
00:36 <+perlDreamer> I think there's a wG bookmarks RFE.
00:39 < topsub> is 7.8 coming out soon?
00:40 <+perlDreamer> we have 7.8 releases every other week
00:40 <+perlDreamer> 7.8.5 is out tomorrow
00:40 < topsub> liek stable release?
00:40 <+perlDreamer> stable is in a few weeks, I believe
00:41 <+perlDreamer> if I can close the bug list out, sooner
00:41 < topsub> ah
00:41 < topsub> will we be able to upgrade from 7.7 up to 7.8?
00:41 < topsub> I'm making a new server
00:41 <+perlDreamer> there will be a way to upgrade from 7.7 to 7.8
00:41 <+perlDreamer> as always
00:41 < topsub> if i remember isn't there going to have a complete rewrite were we can't upgrade i thought
00:42 < topsub> code changes and such
00:52 <@preaction> topsub: yes. that's WebGUI 8. and it will be mostly upgradable, the problem will only be if you've written custom code
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00:53 <+perlDreamer> it will be like wG 6, but smaller in scope.
00:55 <+perlDreamer> and with tests to back it up
00:55 <+perlDreamer> and a fixed schedule
01:04 <+perlDreamer> the big goal is wG8 is performance
01:05 <+perlDreamer> I think if you check out JT's blog there's a link in there to his keynote from WUC 2k9
01:08 < topsub> nice
01:08 < topsub> heading home bbl
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02:18 <+perlDreamer> preaction: did you add downloadable MIME types to the SQL Report, back in the day?
02:18 <@preaction> yeah, all that download stuff is mine
02:19 <+perlDreamer> a bug was filed about macro processing in the download via template
02:20 <+perlDreamer> was there ever any intent to bypass macro processing in that code, by a particular mime type?
02:20 <+perlDreamer> I'm stuck between adding an option to process macros in the template, and just processing them if a template is used.
02:22 <+perlDreamer> the change to Session->output->print changed the default behavior
02:28 < CIA-49> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r67c66c8 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy/ThingRecord.pm : Remove deprecated use of defined() on hashes. - http://bit.ly/1HV31q
02:29 < CIA-49> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r01e873e / (2 files in 2 dirs): i18n the download type choices in the SQL Report. - http://bit.ly/4oyqzl
02:29 < CIA-49> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * re7fd10b / (2 files in 2 dirs): i18n the download type choices in the SQL Report. - http://bit.ly/25CyfW
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02:39 <@preaction> perlDreamer: i would say just process macros, it wasn't my intent to bypass them (it was the very first code i wrote for webgui)
02:39 <+perlDreamer> okay
02:39 <+perlDreamer> right after I uncuddle your else's
03:02 < CIA-49> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rc8bda63 / t/Asset/Wobject/SQLReport.t : Test maintenance. - http://bit.ly/37WN69
03:02 < CIA-49> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r376ae82 / t/Asset/Wobject/SQLReport.t : Test maintenance. - http://bit.ly/ztwMZ
03:02 < CIA-49> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r110a236 / (2 files in 2 dirs): When using a download template, macros are always processed in the output. fixes bug #11242. - http://bit.ly/4Fzlve
03:02 < CIA-49> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rbb58ce3 / (2 files in 2 dirs): When using a download template, macros are always processed in the output. fixes bug #11242. - http://bit.ly/2vEkei
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03:08 < elnino> hi. someone here helped me access the wreconsole using ssh or something,  is that someone here?
03:11 < elnino> it was like some redirect using putty or something.
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03:16 < elnino> or perhaps there is a way to setup webgui/wre without using the wreconsole during installation. I can't seem to get thru to 60834
03:22 <+perlDreamer> have you checked the wiki?
03:22 <+perlDreamer> or checked the logs?
03:22 < elnino> I dont' know what to search for... 
03:22 <+perlDreamer> WRE setup installation
03:22 < elnino> and I have an bug report on the wiki search =)
03:22 < elnino> oh. no that page doesn't have anything about the redirect.
03:23 < elnino> someone here had helped me access the console without having to muck with port 60834. 
03:24 < elnino> if I remembe correctly, it was using putty and redirecting something or ???
03:24 < elnino> it was way over my head, but it worked really nice.
03:25 <+perlDreamer> maybe using port forwarding...?
03:26 < elnino> yes, that.
03:26 <+perlDreamer> are you sure you talked about it in channel?
03:26 < elnino> LONG ago.
03:26 <+perlDreamer> try here: http://mentalhouse.net/irc/logs/webgui/2009-03.log
03:27 < elnino> yep. that's me!!
03:27 < elnino> thanks!
03:28 <+perlDreamer> please wiki that?
03:28 <+perlDreamer> the problem and solution?
03:28 < elnino> absolutely. I was planning on it.
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04:11 < elnino> it worked! I'll write a wiki later tonight.
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04:32 < CIA-49> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * re4072f1 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Accept time zones with spaces or underscores to help users. - http://bit.ly/10Xxgv
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05:03 < elnino> grr..
05:05 < elnino> in 7.6 something,  I created a package with many children and I'm importing it to 7.7.26. and I'm losing all the children except for one. 
05:06 < elnino> in the webgui log, I'm getting: Couldn't compile asset package: WebGUI::Asset::RSSFromParent.
05:08 <+perlDreamer> RSSFromParent doesn't exist in 7.7
05:08 <+perlDreamer> the thing to do is to upgrade the 7.6 site to the point where RSSFromParent was removed
05:08 <+perlDreamer> and then make the package
05:09 < elnino> my articles and redirects were deleted as well.
05:09 < elnino> I checked the system clipboard too.
05:11 < elnino> I also opened up the package and everything is in there.
05:12 <+perlDreamer> elnino, is that on the originating site, or the importing site?
05:13 < elnino> the file generated from the originating site has the appropriate contents (opened it with tar)
05:13 < elnino> when I import it, th eonly thing that gets imported is the parent (page layout) and one child (CS asset)
05:13 < elnino> redirects and article assets are gone.
05:13  * perlDreamer reiterates the original advice.
05:13 < elnino> I have two packages like this. both failed the same way.
05:13 <+perlDreamer> the CS is not being fully imported
05:14 < elnino> I'm scared of 7.7.  =)
05:14 <+perlDreamer> because of the old, deprecated RssFromParent asset
05:14 <+perlDreamer> you could also try turning off the RSS Feed for the CS, and then turning it back on in 7.7
05:14 < elnino> the cs imported fine. (execpt fothe rss parent) There were no threads to begin with. So I don't know if they would have owrkd or not.
05:15 <+perlDreamer> turn it off in 7.6, export, import to 7.7, turn it back on
05:15 < elnino> turn off the rss parent?
05:15 < elnino> ok.
05:16 <+perlDreamer> in old 7.6, you can tell the CS whether or not you want to use RSS
05:16 < elnino> yep
05:16 <+perlDreamer> if you turn it off, it should delete the RssFromParent
05:16 < elnino> did navigationi assets change much?
05:16 <+perlDreamer> no
05:20 < elnino> that did it.  the rss feed must of crapped out enough to prevent everything else from working.
05:22 < elnino> is that going to be a problem when I upgrade my sites to 7.7?
05:31 <+perlDreamer> no, only if you port packages from old RSS to new RSS
05:31 <+perlDreamer> an exported package doesn't go through the upgrade process
05:38 <+perlDreamer> elnino: is there really an awstats workflow, or is it the send stats workflow?
05:38 < elnino> Sorry. I meant the send stats worksflow.
05:39 < elnino> I don't know if that request is possible.
05:39 < elnino> because Idon't know if you know if awstats is configured or not.
05:39 < elnino> a brand new site, and I hosed it. grr.
05:41 < elnino> I can go to the asset manager for /home, but when I try to view it I get a An error was encountered while processing your request.
05:41 <+perlDreamer> it's not awstats, it's WebGUI Stats
05:42 <+perlDreamer> reset the site from create.sql?
05:43 < elnino> oh. what is webgui stats?
05:45 <+perlDreamer> It's a way to help the WebGUI developers know what all is being used in WebGUI
05:45 <+perlDreamer> it sends back the size of your site (users, groups, pages) which assets are being used, which macros are being used, stuff like that
05:46 <+perlDreamer> just statistical data
05:46 < elnino> oh. well, I said no to that, but the workflow was set to yes. 
05:47 <+perlDreamer> the workflow is enabled, but the cron job that calls the workflow to send the data was never created.
05:47 <+perlDreamer> remember, workflows have to have a trigger
05:49 < elnino> you mean, activity.
05:49 < elnino> right?
05:50 <+perlDreamer> No, workflows
05:50 < elnino> 'cron job' = 'activity', right?
05:52 < elnino> grr. No, *I* meant. under the scheduler.
05:52 < elnino> not activity. Iknow what an activity is.
05:53 <+perlDreamer> sorry, elnino.  I hate debating semantics.
05:54 < elnino> No, I'm sorry. I'm not trying to debate. I just want to make sure I'm understanding correctly. 
05:56 <+perlDreamer> The bottom line is that it was confusing that you said "No" to Statistics, but saw that the Workflow was enabled.
05:56 < elnino> yes.
06:23 < elnino> looking in the advisories, what is the new way to access the rss feed now?
06:31 <+perlDreamer> you append ?func=viewRss to the URL
06:31 < elnino> nothign i nthe wikis either. But I'll put it there. Thanks
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07:59 < elnino> will having perl and wre's perl installed on the same machine be a problem?
08:00 <+perlDreamer> nope
08:01 <+perlDreamer> just be sure you always do a setenvironment.sh
08:01 <+perlDreamer> except!
08:01 <+perlDreamer> on RHEL/CentOS, if you do setenvironment.sh, you won't be able to use yum
08:01 <+perlDreamer> so be careful about putting setenvironment.sh into root's .bashrc
08:01 <+perlDreamer> or .profile
08:01 <+perlDreamer> I created an alias called wreme
08:01 <+perlDreamer> so that normally I'm in the system
08:02 <+perlDreamer> and after I wreme, I'm in the WRE
08:03 < elnino> so removing the systme's perl and using wre's perl exclusive probably isn't a good idea on fedora. I was thinking of removing it, and then creating softlinks to perl ,perl5.10.0 ,perlbug, and perldoc  to /data/wre/prereqs/bin's perl stuff
08:04 <@preaction> probably a bad idea, yeah
08:04 < elnino> yeah, I'll leave it.
08:04 <+perlDreamer> binary compatibility
08:04 <@preaction> the WRE's perl is compiled with different libs
08:04 <@preaction> in fact, even sourcing in the WRE is a pain sometimes, there have been forum posts about it
08:05 <@preaction> should make a "wreon" and "wreoff" script, that'd be nice
08:05 < elnino> or.. couldn't we just have a wre user?
08:06 < elnino> rather than running as root?
08:06 <@preaction> the WRE already runs as the user "webgui", but you don't want that user to have a login shell
08:06 <@preaction> you could do as perldreamer has done, and "wreoff" would be as simple as "reset"
08:06 <+perlDreamer> reset?
08:07 <@preaction> reset clears your environment and loads it from profile
08:07 <+perlDreamer> nice
08:07 <@preaction> so like if you even kill -9 screen, you can type "reset" and fix the lack of scrolling
08:07  * elnino go looks
08:07 < elnino> cool!
08:08 <+perlDreamer> preaction, do you see any problems with changing Workflow Save to return you to the list of Workflows, instead of back to the Edit Workflow screen?
08:08 <+perlDreamer> it was pointed out that it's not consistent with other screens
08:09 <@preaction> kinda, you have to save the workflow before you can add activities to it
08:09 <@preaction> what it needs is a nice javascript update
08:09 <@preaction> if you don't save the workflow before you add activities, you lose the changes to the name/description stuff
08:09 <+perlDreamer> I'll move that over into the RFE section, then.
08:10 <+perlDreamer> you said _that word_
08:10 < elnino> well, you could have the workflow ask you the question: where do you want to go next? and either go back to the list, or add an activies. Kinda like dataform.
08:18 < CIA-49> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r0103cba / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Operation/Statistics.pm): Disable the Send Stats workflow, to avoid confusion. Fixes bug #11245 - http://bit.ly/3WSeke
08:18 < CIA-49> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rd369899 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Operation/Statistics.pm): Disable the Send Stats workflow, to avoid confusion. Fixes bug #11245 - http://bit.ly/xNN4v
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14:05 < SquOnk> Morning (VET)
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14:16 < bartjol> morning SquOnk
14:22 < SquOnk> bartjol: Hoe gaat?
14:22  * SquOnk 's dutch is rusty, to say the least ;-)
14:22 < bartjol> it's ok, just css postioning today
14:23 < bartjol> Hoe gaat het?is the better way
14:23 < SquOnk> bartjol: Thanks
14:23 < bartjol> without "het" you sound like a foreigner
14:23 < SquOnk> bartjol: I was able to understand spoken dutch quite well, but I can't make the gutural noises needed to speak it.
14:24 < bartjol> like what's up without what: Is up?
14:24 < SquOnk> bartjol: And I never spent that much time there to be forced to learn it.
14:25 < bartjol> well, think off something stuck in th top of your throat, which you want to get out
14:25 < bartjol> if that works, try it more in the middleof your mouth
14:26 < SquOnk> That's what everyone said ;-)
14:28 < bartjol> well, unless you're coming back, it's quite useless, except for the one or two odd dutch tourists, or during the wuc
14:31 < SquOnk> Yeah
14:31 < SquOnk> I'm fond of languages, so I tried to learn a bit.
14:31 < SquOnk> And our business associate over there had lots of fun teaching us in exchange of spanish curse words.
14:31 < SquOnk> Heh
14:32 < bartjol> we did that with Jesse when he came over from Australia
14:33 < SquOnk> bartjol: We did some extensive linguistic work with our friends Jurgen and Harm over there. I wrote "words" and asked them to pronounce the words as if they were "dutch". The words were chosen so that when spoken as "dutch" they sounded exactly like spanish.
14:33 < SquOnk> bartjol: So they spoke "perfect spanish" withouth knowing what the hell they were saying.
14:34 < bartjol> :)
14:35 < bartjol> well, have to get back to work
14:39 < SquOnk> bartjol: One more question, if you have the time.
14:39 < SquOnk> More of a suggestion, I think.
14:40 < SquOnk> When you logout from WebGUI, it leaves you in the last page you visited. Is there a way to fix a "go here on logout" page?
14:40 < SquOnk> s/fix/set/
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14:42 < bartjol> mm
14:42 < bartjol> not sure whether there's a default function
14:43 < SquOnk> bartjol: I couldn't find anything, so I guess there's some hacking involved.
14:43 < bartjol> but the logout link is just a link
14:43 < SquOnk> bartjol: The rationale from my customer is that their Intranet _must_ be entered through the front page, so they want anyone logging out to be redirected to the main page.
14:44 < bartjol> so you can do a href="mypage?op=auth;method=logout
14:44 < bartjol> but i think that must be on the site, not another webgui install
14:45 < bartjol> and correct syntax
14:45 < bartjol> it will first execute the function, then get the content
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14:46 < bartjol> that's why you must be on the install, otherwise you'll just get redirected to another site, instead of executing the operation
14:46 < SquOnk> bartjol: Yes, it's going to be in the same WebGUI install.
14:47 < bartjol> well, no problem there then
14:47 < SquOnk> bartjol: I will try that and see where it gets me.
14:47 < bartjol> i believe it should work
14:47 < SquOnk> bartjol: Thanks!
14:47 < bartjol> and if it's inetrnationalized, use the international macro for the Logout label
14:47 < bartjol> no problem
14:47 < SquOnk> bartjol: I'll let you know if it worked out
14:48 < bartjol> that'll be nice
15:22 < bartjol> SquOnk: I made a little mistake
15:22 < bartjol> you need to edit your template of the login toggle
15:23 < bartjol> and make the same adjustment I told you before
15:23 < SquOnk> bartjol: I'm doing that, don't worry.
15:23 < bartjol> ok
15:23 < bartjol> since it is a toggle
15:28 < SquOnk> bartjol: It works as expected. I just hardcoded "^/;?op=auth;method=logout" as the logout URL
15:28 < bartjol> very nice
15:55 < SDuensin> Morning.
15:57 < bartjol> mogguh
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16:54 < PCCC> morning
16:55  * SDuensin wonders when the fun starts.
16:56 < PCCC> i have a weird case, maybe somebody has the answer, i restoring a sql webgui backup to my server and all services start fine , no error on logs, however i get blank pages, nothing at all, no browser errors
16:56 < PCCC> here is the freaky part when i bring an older sql dump in the same server, it works
16:56 < PCCC> it's just that day, 
16:57 < PCCC> i check the database for errors , all is clean
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17:07 < bartjol> PCCC: and if you read in the db, it actually conatins stuff?
17:07 < PCCC> yes
17:07 < PCCC> it does
17:07 < bartjol> user passwd combi from conf works for that db
17:07 < PCCC> yes
17:08 < bartjol> so mysql -u"myuser" -p"mypasswd" mydb works
17:08 < PCCC> yes sir
17:08 < bartjol> just checking, starting at the base
17:10 < bartjol> thinking...
17:12 < bartjol> and bypassing the db by getting a direct object from the uploads dir?
17:13 < PCCC> ok i discovered something ,i copy the admin url from another server and pasted in the server that was giving me blanks i am able to get to the admin panel, and all my data is there however nothing shows, an all my layout have a make asset exportable option on
17:13 < PCCC> if i take it off , that link works
17:14 < bartjol> odd
17:15 < PCCC> weird all my layout, and content is the same "make asset exportable " on 
17:16 < PCCC> can you do that ? recursive like that
17:16 < bartjol> I think that is the default setting
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17:17 < bartjol> | isExportable         | int(11)    | NO   |     | 1        |       |
17:18 < bartjol> so it is default
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17:20 < PCCC> silly question can webgui go back and restore setting from previous days
17:21 <@Haarg> settings aren't versioned, so no.
17:21 < bartjol> morning misters
17:23 < bartjol> unless you have a db dump in your backup
17:23 < bartjol> backups are good practise
17:23 < PCCC> this is from a backup
17:24 < bartjol> and you have new settings?
17:25 < PCCC> yes, which is weird
17:25 < bartjol> it is
17:25 < bartjol> did you drop that db correctly first?
17:25 < PCCC> it was done by the backup utility from webgui
17:26 < bartjol> is there a backup restore utility?
17:26 < PCCC> no, just a backup up, but im restoring from there
17:26 < PCCC> but why would my pages not show
17:26 < PCCC> the permissions are correct
17:26 < bartjol> ok, so that gives you a sql file
17:28 < bartjol> tell me every step you take during restoring
17:29 < PCCC> i took the dump files that webgui backup.pl creates and move them to the server tar them and overwrite then mysql -u user - p password database < dump.sql
17:29 < bartjol> ah, first throw the old one away
17:29 < bartjol> drop comand
17:29 < bartjol> then create a new db with the same name
17:30 < bartjol> then import it again with the command you named
17:30 < PCCC> ok let me try that
17:30 < bartjol> as mysql user root
17:33 < PCCC> done, same result
17:33 < bartjol> everything as root user?
17:33 < bartjol> darn
17:34 < PCCC> yes root user
17:35 < bartjol> restarted services?
17:36 < PCCC> yep all starting fine
17:36 < PCCC> no errors on webgui.log
17:36 < bartjol> in /data/WebGUI/etc/log.conf you can set your log level
17:36 < bartjol> set it to debug
17:37 < bartjol> (with capitals)
17:37 < bartjol> retsart modperl
17:37 < PCCC> ok
17:37 < bartjol> i dunno what retsart is either, but just do it
17:38 < PCCC> lol
17:38 < bartjol> visit the site and look at you logs agian
17:38 < PCCC> ok working on it
17:39 < PCCC> just as a fyi if i go to the asset manager and click save on any page, that page shows up , 
17:43 < bartjol> ok, so after changing it is ok?
17:46 < CIA-15> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rcdc8079 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix a JS typo in the Edit Survey screen. Fixes bug #11247. - http://bit.ly/4j4Gdp
17:46 < CIA-15> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r03d9263 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix a JS typo in the Edit Survey screen. Fixes bug #11247. - http://bit.ly/4erur1
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17:49 < bartjol> PCCC: already some log results?
18:00 < PCCC> actually my modproxy is failing now
18:01 < bartjol> ah, well, there are your errors, great!
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18:05 < PCCC> no more modproxy error however still issue with blank page webgui log show spectre.conf workflow activity
18:06 < bartjol> what are your ip? that youe set for spectre?
18:07 < PCCC> 127.0.0.1 i tested fine
18:08 < PCCC> no communication issues there
18:09 < bartjol> ah, but spectre connects via post 80
18:10 <+perlDreamer> that's port 80
18:11 < bartjol> thanks for correcting my spelling. you just have to grap your change eh
18:11 < PCCC> is it port 32133
18:13 <+perlDreamer> 32133 is spectre's port
18:17 < PCCC> spectre.pl --test works no errors
18:18 < PCCC> im gonna have to call my tech support to let them see it 
18:18 <@preaction> blank page? are there errors in the modperl or modproxy error logs?
18:19 < PCCC> nope
18:19 <@preaction> what does the blank page have on it? do a view source
18:20 < PCCC> blank
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18:20 < bartjol> a state of true emptiness, you?l be the envy of zen masters
18:21 < PCCC> lol
18:23 < bartjol> well, one dinner appointment coming up, good luck
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18:52 < CIA-15> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r6eeb258 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Quote the id generated by the Image asset. Also, do not overwrite user uploaded parameters. Fixes bug #11246 - http://bit.ly/PdUiG
18:52 < CIA-15> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r15ce7b5 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Quote the id generated by the Image asset. Also, do not overwrite user uploaded parameters. Fixes bug #11246 - http://bit.ly/2xl1WH
19:06 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, I'm going to work on the deprecated modules today.  Locales replaces Locales::Country in 7.8 only
19:06 <+perlDreamer> but in 7.7, Net::Subnets was deprecated
19:06 <+perlDreamer> I know I can find a replacement, but any advice on how to make it easy for users?
19:07 <@Haarg> well, it's certainly possible to make it work with either module
19:07 <@Haarg> if it isn't too much effort that's probably the best way to go
19:08 <+perlDreamer> okay, but in 7.8 I'll just go with the replacement module since it's beta
19:08 <@Haarg> sounds good
19:08 <@Haarg> if you want any help with that let me know
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19:15 <+perlDreamer> will do, and thanks :)
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19:35 < daviddelikat1> Haarg: how do I create a branch in my local git repo for the WG 7.7 branch
19:35 <@Haarg> git checkout -t origin/webgui-7.7
19:35 <@Haarg> if you have a recent version of git at least
19:36 < daviddelikat1> when was the last update?
19:36 <+perlDreamer> this morning
19:36 <+perlDreamer> sorry, do you mean last update to git?
19:36 < daviddelikat1> I think so
19:36 <@Haarg> git --version
19:36 <@Haarg> what version do you have?
19:37 <+perlDreamer> 1.6.x seems to do well
19:37 <@Haarg> yeah
19:37 < daviddelikat1> I've got 1.5.6.1
19:37 < daviddelikat1> I guess I need an upgrade
19:37 <+perlDreamer> you're just missing some handy features
19:37 <+perlDreamer> like -t for checkout
19:38 < daviddelikat1> whew ... I'm way be hind on upgrades...
19:38 < daviddelikat1> good thing I've got other stuff to do
19:38 < carogray> my mouse is "sticking" in the rich text editor
19:39 < carogray> I am in FF 3.5.5
19:39 < daviddelikat1> I recommend WD-40 :)
19:39 < carogray> I highlight something to use the WebGUI page tree to link and after I save the link in the dialogue box, I can't get the highlight off
19:40 < carogray> ok where do I get some WD-40 for Firefox? I don't think our local Hardware story carries it
19:41 < carogray> the last time I had problem similar to this JT upgraded us and we were better and on our way in about 10 mins
19:41 < carogray> could this be the same/similar problem again?
19:42 < daviddelikat1> sorry your going to have to wait for somebody smarter than me to help you
19:43 < carogray> will enter a login request. thanks daviddelikat
19:44 < daviddelikat1> PD was here a moment ago, perhaps his bit-stream is backed up
19:44 < carogray> ja -  I saw.
19:44 <+perlDreamer> the rich text editor is evil
19:44 < carogray> I know but it's all I got
19:44 <+perlDreamer> the only reason we still use tinyMCE is that we don't have time to replace it with YUI Editor
19:45 < carogray> would Karma added to that make a diff?
19:45 <+perlDreamer> carogray, going through the PB support board is the right path on that one
19:45 <+perlDreamer> That's very generous, but in this case Karma wouldn't help
19:45 < carogray> right - ok in the process of doing so. I guess I was just lucky JT was here the alst time I had that problem
19:46 <+perlDreamer> it needs significant time, which means volunteer time or $$$
19:46 < carogray> son needs computer to look up number "real quick before he goes"
19:55 < daviddelikat1> so when I do a pull does it get everything on the server or just stuff for the current branch?
20:11 <+perlDreamer> it pulls everything for all branches
20:27 <@preaction> it fetches for all branches, but it only merges for the current branch
20:27 <@preaction> pull = fetch + merge
20:27 <@preaction> (or fetch + rebase, if you have it configured that way)
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21:27 <@Haarg> perlDreamer, lots of errors when i run tests due to WebGUI::i18n::Spanish not existing
21:27 <@Haarg> seems likely a leaky test
21:29 <+perlDreamer> which test?
21:29 <+perlDreamer> Haarg: and which branch
21:29 <@Haarg> master
21:30 < CIA-15> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rf3e699e / (5 files in 5 dirs): 
21:30 < CIA-15> webgui: Retrofit UPS to use Locales instead of Locales::Country. Fixes bug #11221
21:30 < CIA-15> webgui: Updated tests, module, gotcha.txt, and testEnvironment.pl - http://bit.ly/2HFjEm
21:30 <@Haarg> probably about 10 different tests failing
21:30 <+perlDreamer> t/Content/Setup.t
21:30 <@Haarg> t/DateTime.t is the first one failing due to missing WebGUI::i18n::Spanish in the full test run i did
21:31 <@Haarg> you hear anything about Thingy?
21:31 <+perlDreamer> we're supposed to revert it
21:31 <@Haarg> ok
21:32 <+perlDreamer> the Thingy work itself was incomplete, and he couldn't think of a way around the definition issue
21:32 <+perlDreamer> I pointed him to DataForm/Entry as an example
21:32 <@Haarg> the main problem is how to fit it in with crud i think
21:33 <+perlDreamer> I think he's going to have to bury the definition inside some instance variable
21:33 <@Haarg> given that each object instance needs to have a different definition
21:33 <+perlDreamer> and then provide a method to get instance data from the cached db data
21:35 <+perlDreamer> after I run t/Content/Setup, the user data is correct in the db
21:35 <+perlDreamer> I wonder if there's a caching problem
21:35 <@Haarg> could it be because i don't have the spanish module?
21:36 <+perlDreamer> no
21:36 <+perlDreamer> but you shouldn't need it
21:36 <+perlDreamer> the test cleans up after itself
21:36 <+perlDreamer> let me run prove and see what happens
21:37 <+perlDreamer> doesn't look like a caching problem, either
21:38 <+perlDreamer> ack says that t/Content/Setup is the only test that has the word Spanish in it
21:38 <+perlDreamer> my language directory contains only English
21:50 <+perlDreamer> okay, I have a whole raft of failures, too
21:50 <@Haarg> it doesn't seem to be caused by data in userProfileData
21:53 <@Haarg> it's the default value on the language profile field
21:55 <+perlDreamer> got it
21:55 <+perlDreamer> the cleanup used the wrong field
21:55 <@Haarg> time zone?
21:56 <+perlDreamer> yes
21:57 < CIA-15> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r7052667 / t/DateTime.t : Clean up a test comment. - http://bit.ly/ICrSp
21:57 < CIA-15> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r86a4cb5 / t/Content/Setup.t : Fix a test cleanup issue. - http://bit.ly/3hpa5x
21:57 <+perlDreamer> fixed
21:57 < CIA-15> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r526360f / t/DateTime.t : Clean up a test comment. - http://bit.ly/35JOyE
21:58 <+perlDreamer> although, given the set of tests, I'm expecting lots of other failures
21:58 <+perlDreamer> at least Thingy, POD and Whitespace
21:58 <@Haarg> yes
21:58 <+perlDreamer> Auth/LDAP failed, interestingly
21:59 <+perlDreamer> I'm hoping that's due to simultaneous access
21:59 <@Haarg> critic_labels doesn't like something in emssubmissionform
22:05 <+perlDreamer> I'll start dismantling the Thingy changes when I come back from the gym
22:06 <+perlDreamer> daviddelikat1, can you check the i18n in EMSSubmissionForm?
22:10 < CIA-15> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rc99315a / docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.8.4-7.8.5.pl : 
22:10 < CIA-15> webgui: Revert "Bugfix in thingy upgrade"
22:10 < CIA-15> webgui: This reverts commit f3a4bd1b68a2ce64cc6047391b3f82de3a764507. - http://bit.ly/1UvyHQ
22:10 < CIA-15> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * ra37f69c / (4 files in 4 dirs): 
22:10 < CIA-15> webgui: Revert "Separating Thing object from Thingy"
22:10 < CIA-15> webgui: This reverts commit 3d8878965994dcd231217aebae37482f82c0be03. - http://bit.ly/4l34gK
22:10 < CIA-15> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r5fd30d8 / (3 files in 3 dirs): 
22:10 < CIA-15> webgui: Revert "Separating ThingRecord object from Thingy"
22:10 < CIA-15> webgui: This reverts commit df84c60d6afed71a742178bdbf8b4aec034a30f4. - http://bit.ly/3Gewhq
22:12 < CIA-15> webgui: Graham Knop master * r7913059 / t/Asset/File/Image.t : fix unmocked warning - http://bit.ly/3zLK8C
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22:46 <@Haarg> note, not diag for non-error output from tests :)
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22:52 < CIA-15> webgui: Graham Knop master * r8e65345 / t/Content/Setup.t : more diag -> note - http://bit.ly/1p2Gg1
23:22 <+perlDreamer> did I leave in a diag again?
23:22 <+perlDreamer> grrr
23:24 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, it's probably best if you just yank those
23:24 <+perlDreamer> and then slap me
23:26 < CIA-15> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r5df15c6 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy/ThingRecord.pm : 
23:26 < CIA-15> webgui: Revert "Merge branch 'master' of git@github.com:plainblack/webgui"
23:26 < CIA-15> webgui: This reverts commit 7188b11b774c88f2241211378132252251215fad, reversing
23:26 < CIA-15> webgui: changes made to 9dd7056ecf4d1d41227c58d4f89303d00d69c04a. - http://bit.ly/KXG4I
23:26 <+perlDreamer> okay, finished reverting ThingyRecord
23:26 <+perlDreamer> which is a shame
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23:38 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, after the revert, the tests are running clean again
23:38 <@Haarg> cool
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23:46 < fokat> Hi guys. Quick question.
23:46 <+perlDreamer> what is it fokat?
23:46 < fokat> What is the best way to pack the templates for a new Wobject?
23:46 <+perlDreamer> use a package
23:46 < fokat> I would like to extract them from WebGUI, possibly edit outside and then bring them back in.
23:47 <+perlDreamer> hm...
23:47 <+perlDreamer> there is a development tool called WGDev
23:47 <+perlDreamer> it allows you to export templates (and other assets) into an easy to use text format and then import them back in
23:47 <+perlDreamer> you can find information about this tool in the developer forum on webgui.org
23:48 <+perlDreamer> also, on github. http://www.github.com/haarg/wgdev
23:48 < fokat> Basically I want to change the template's namespace and the assetId :-)
23:48 <+perlDreamer> assetId?
23:48 <+perlDreamer> why would you want to change that?
23:49  * perlDreamer has to run off and pick up my kids from school
23:49 < fokat> To have a friendlier id
23:49 < fokat> perlDreamer: Thanks. Run to your kids.
23:49 < xdanger> fokat: the exported package is only a tar archive (or is it tar.gz)
23:49 < fokat> tar.gz with JSON files inside (and probably other things)
23:49 < xdanger> inside that it's a JSON
23:50 < xdanger> You could edit that and then import it
23:50 < xdanger> (and remove the original)
23:50 < fokat> That was my plan :-)
23:50 < fokat> Thanks a lot
23:50 < xdanger> but the easyest (and the most dangerous) way would be direct sql updates
23:50 < fokat> Which is what I did for an earlier Wobject :-)
23:51 < fokat> And don't forget tedious
23:51 < xdanger> we'll.. You have to change it in many tables =)
23:51 < fokat> exactly
23:51 < fokat> And if I screw up in the right place, have to start over ;-)
23:51 < xdanger> If your adventerous you could try wgfs =)
23:52 < fokat> Yes, SquOnk just mentioned it
23:52 < fokat> (I'm next cubicle to him)
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00:49 <+perlDreamer> it's not really worth it for a vanity assetId
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00:56 < xdanger> I'm liking the plebgui-hack for my dev work on localmachine =)
00:57 <+perlDreamer> does it work well?
00:57 < xdanger> For me yes
00:58 < xdanger> I'm using the Standalone::Prefork engine and watching fow directories for refreshed files
00:58 < xdanger> I could just watch /data/WebGUI
00:58 < xdanger> s/fow/few/
00:59 < xdanger> Haven't run any bencmarks or like that, but it seems pretty fast
01:04 < xdanger> Is there any difference between $self->SUPER::addChild($properties, @other); and $self->next::method($properties, @other); ? It has something to do with Class::C3?
01:04 <@Haarg> it is related to Class::C3, yes
01:05 < xdanger> which one should I use?
01:06 <@Haarg> for anything using Class::C3, next::method
01:06 < xdanger> What is Class::C3 and what benefits does it bring?
01:08 <@preaction> C3 is a different method to resolve method relationships
01:08 <@Haarg> it is to make multiple inheritance make more sense
01:28 <+perlDreamer> the interfaces are totally different between the CIDR IP checking modules
01:28 <@Haarg> what is the new one?
01:30 <+perlDreamer> I like Net::CIDR from Andy Armstrong
01:30 <+perlDreamer> Net::CIDR::Set, rather
01:32 <+perlDreamer> right now, I'm planning on doing a compile time check via eval, then globbing to either the old, original method, or to a new one.
01:32 <@Haarg> yeah, that sounds like the way to go
01:33 <+perlDreamer> I chose that module mainly based on the author
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01:33 <+perlDreamer> Andy writes good things
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02:18 <+perlDreamer> Net::CDR::Set sucks
02:18 <+perlDreamer> moving on to Net::CDR::Lite
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04:28 <+perlDreamer> man, you'd think _somebody_ would write an IPV4/IPV6 addresss search tool with validation
04:32 < CIA-15> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rfae8b16 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Replace the deprecated module Net::Subnets with Net::CIDR::Lite. - http://bit.ly/2DNyJh
04:44 < CIA-15> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rb59e1e2 / (4 files in 3 dirs): 
04:44 < CIA-15> webgui: Changed WebGUI to use either Net::Subnets, or Net::CIDR::Lite.
04:44 < CIA-15> webgui: Updated Utility.pm, removed per IP configuration from
04:44 < CIA-15> webgui: PerformanceProfiler. - http://bit.ly/2r34YR
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05:06 < elnino> any recommendations for running wg with 512k (other than upgrading)?
05:10 <+perlDreamer> it can be done
05:10 <+perlDreamer> it will not perform well
05:11 <+perlDreamer> you can compensate a little with the number of apache children, spectre runners, etc.
05:11 <+perlDreamer> or by aggressive use of caching
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05:21 < CIA-15> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rfa7e106 / t/Shop/ShipDriver/USPS.t : Add a test to make sure line item address changes are processed correctly in the USPS domestic driver. - http://bit.ly/1yRWSO
05:25 < CIA-15> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rc660894 / t/Shop/ShipDriver/USPS.t : Add a test to make sure line item address changes are processed correctly in the USPS domestic driver. - http://bit.ly/2jLAn6
05:30 < CIA-15> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r3fb310c / lib/WebGUI/Asset/EMSSubmissionForm.pm : Remove boilerplate and commented out code. - http://bit.ly/43NVKT
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06:54 <+perlDreamer> preaction, any pending commits?
06:55 < elnino> thanks for the tips perlDreamer.
06:55 <+perlDreamer> no sweat, elnino
06:55 <+perlDreamer> more memory is HIGHLY recommended though
06:55 <+perlDreamer> I wouldn't run a server with less than 2 Gb
06:56 < elnino> yep. it's an old machine, and it's definately not a high traffic. It's a laptop sitting at home. =)
06:56 <+perlDreamer> what??!!
06:56 <+perlDreamer> really?
06:56 < elnino> yep.
06:56 < elnino> he did manage to find some memory that I think he'll buy.
06:57 <+perlDreamer> and this is a server?  interesting
06:58 < elnino> no, it's his development machine that is also hosting his site. 
06:58 < elnino> running svn and bugzila.
07:44 < elnino> if when using the syndicated content asset, why would I want to specify more thanone feed, if the template only displays the channel info for the first one?
07:47 <+perlDreamer> if the channel info was hidden, it would be transparent aggregation
07:48 <+perlDreamer> according to this translated German blog, Tie::Hash::Indexed is faster than Tie::IxHash
07:48 <+perlDreamer> http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fperl-howto.de%2F2009%2F11%2Fordered-hashes-mit-tieixhash-oder-tiehashindexed.html&sl=de&tl=en
08:08 < elnino> to proxy to another instance of apache, do I *HAVE* to have a separate subdomain? or can it be just a different port?
08:12  * perlDreamer doesn't know
08:17 < CIA-15> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r77389ea / docs/create.sql : Preparing for 7.8.5 release. - http://bit.ly/1CVIW7
08:17 <+perlDreamer> here we go!
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08:18 < elnino> stable?
08:20 <+perlDreamer> beta tonight
08:21 < elnino> ok. have fun!  I had enough fun for tonight.  bye!
08:22 <+perlDreamer> g'night :)
08:44 < _lsr> Can someone tell me where WebGUI's Perl includes file (@INC) is, I want to add another path.
08:53 <+perlDreamer> _lsr, you can use WebGUI/sbin/preload.custom
08:53 <+perlDreamer> there's an example file in there
08:59 < _lsr> thanks perlDreamer 
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10:29 <+perlDreamer> yay
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15:21 < daviddelikat1> a comment on last nights perlmongers meeting:  http://shirt.mywoot.net/
15:38 < CIA-15> WebGUI: translation * r12408 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/ (4 files): Updating Dutch on translation server
15:40 <+BartJol> daviddelikat1: eeh, thos e perlmongers are starnge fellows, eh?
15:41 < daviddelikat1> apparently some had an appointment with some zombies last night
15:42 <+BartJol> well, on every saucer fits a cup
15:43 < daviddelikat1> yes and sometimes they are both cracked
15:43 < daviddelikat1> but what can I say I hang out with them...
15:44 <+BartJol> not as an observator?
15:44 < daviddelikat1> no I think I chipped a few saucers last night
16:24 < SDuensin> Greetings.
16:25 < daviddelikat1> hey SD 'sup?
16:25 < SDuensin> Not sure yet.  (And I've been here two months!)  :-P
16:26 < daviddelikat1> i'm going  on a year and 
16:26 < daviddelikat1> I still dont know
16:28 < SynQ> oeh
16:28 < SynQ> apache exploit
16:28 < SynQ> time to update the WRE
16:30 < ckotil> got a link to it?
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16:37 <+BartJol> ooh, gonna get it
16:38 <+BartJol> ckotil: it's one of the links on http://www.debian.org/security/
16:38 < SDuensin> Hey, someone want to pick this up for me?  http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320447681957
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16:39 <+BartJol> SDuensin not enough cash
16:39 < SDuensin> I think he'd take a check.  :-P
16:40 <+BartJol> eeeh, should it be covered?
16:40 < SDuensin> Covered?
16:41 <+BartJol> like that you can actually cash the check
16:41 < daviddelikat1> I wonder if anyone would pay that much for an 'original' Mac plus?
16:43 < SDuensin> Heck, daviddelikat1, I can beat that.  I have a Mac (minus?).  Model M0001.
16:43 < daviddelikat1> I bet yours doesn't have a really cool carry case
16:44 <+BartJol> well, ask 40000 for it
16:44 < daviddelikat1> its like the old 'portable' computers
16:44 <+BartJol> (euros)
16:44 < SDuensin> I bet it does.  :-P
16:44 < SDuensin> However, it lacks something rather important...  boot disks.  And making working 400k disks these days is a bit of a challenge.
16:45 < daviddelikat1> I haven't got any either...
16:45 < daviddelikat1> pretty funny i think
16:45 < SDuensin> All I can do is get a really nice "sad mac" icon.
16:45 < daviddelikat1> state of the art is not boat anchor extra-ordinaire
16:46 < daviddelikat1> s/not/now/
16:46 <+BartJol> SDuensin: you call it dedicated functionality
16:46 < SDuensin> It'd have to be a small boat.
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17:57 < ckotil> re: that apache vulnerability. 'As a workaround, you may rearrange your configuration in a way that SSLVerifyClient and SSLCipherSuite are only used on the server or virtual host level.' 
18:00 <+BartJol> ah
18:03 <+BartJol> well, I think my colleagues read the docs
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18:59 < kayiwa> anyone successfully build wre-0.9.3 on OpenBSD 4.6-current? It fails for me when building graphviz
18:59 < CIA-15> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r3951072 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix an i18n typo. - http://bit.ly/10hrFm
19:01 <+BartJol> kayiwa: not to bug you, but you did install modules required for that os?
19:01 <+BartJol> some people don't read the manual
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19:01 < kayiwa> the modules here being
19:02 < kayiwa> according to the wiki
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19:02 < kayiwa> I should have gmake + bash + autoconf
19:02 < kayiwa> check check and check
19:03 <+BartJol> ok, sounds good
19:03 <+perlDreamer> it's possible that an older graphviz and newer OpenBSD may not mix
19:03 < kayiwa> if there's another manual hit me with the cluestick and I will be on my way
19:03 <+perlDreamer> and that a new solution needs to be found
19:04 <+BartJol> ah
19:04 <+BartJol> well, that is the most important
19:06 <+BartJol> just checking, but as that module graphviz doesn't work, it might just be that it doesn't work at the moment, according to those comments
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19:32 < daviddelikat1> perlDreamer: I have a question
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19:39 <+perlDreamer> what's up, daviddelikat86?
19:39 < daviddelikat86> do you remember back when we were talking about the EMS submission system
19:39 < daviddelikat86> trying to get it re-inserted into git
19:39 <+perlDreamer> yes
19:40 < daviddelikat86> you mentioned something II should do to the Test::Activity class
19:40 <+perlDreamer> I thought that was all done?
19:40 <+perlDreamer> oh!
19:40  * perlDreamer thinks....
19:40 < daviddelikat86> something about the object class
19:40 <+perlDreamer> yes
19:40 < daviddelikat86> approximate quote: 'objectType should be passd into 
19:40 < daviddelikat86> the Test::Activity module'
19:41 <+perlDreamer> that's it
19:41 <+perlDreamer> right now you can only create Workflows of type None
19:41 < daviddelikat86> what object type were you refering to?
19:41 <+perlDreamer> any
19:41 <+perlDreamer> like the ones defined in the config files
19:41 <+perlDreamer> Session
19:41 <+perlDreamer> User
19:41 <+perlDreamer> Thingy
19:41 <+perlDreamer> VersionTag
19:42 <+perlDreamer> also, rename rerun to reset, since it doesn't rerun
19:42 <+perlDreamer> and then we point it out to Haarg and ask him to check it out, too
19:42 < daviddelikat86> is it a regular parameter for the workflow?
19:42 <+perlDreamer> yes
19:43  * daviddelikat86 is looking...
19:45 <+perlDreamer> SquOnk, how are you going to handle language packs in WebGUI 7.8, since we just moved 3 languages into the core.
19:46 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: No biggie. One source, multiple binaries, so users can choose which languages to install.
19:46 <+perlDreamer> very good
19:46 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: By "source" and "binaries" in the Debian sense
19:47 <+perlDreamer> any feedback to Bart's post about minimum level for language inclusion? (95%)
19:47 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: Spanish could go in the core too. I need to update a few messages.
19:47 <+perlDreamer> it's in
19:47 <+perlDreamer> Dutch, German and Spanish
19:47 <+perlDreamer> the 3 biggies
19:47 < SquOnk> I'm leaving for class, so I'll be here in six hours or so
19:47 <+perlDreamer> We need to get other people on the translation bandwagon
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19:52 < daviddelikat86> perlDreamer: what is the purpose of the objectType?  I'm wondering if I should a) require a value or b) check in the params for a value;  also perhaps I should make the default be 'Test' so that it sticks out in the event that cleanup fails for some reason.
19:53 <+perlDreamer> some Activities, like Commit activities, work on an object (VersionTag)
19:53 <+perlDreamer> this is attached to the Workflow for all activities in it to use
19:53 <+perlDreamer> Most activities do not use objects
19:53 <+perlDreamer> but several do
19:53 <+perlDreamer> you can see from the list of Workflows in the main config file
19:55 < daviddelikat86> so activities that use this feature need to have this value set, otherwise 'None' is acceptable?
19:55 < daviddelikat86> that would suggest that an optional param is the way too go
19:55 <+perlDreamer> Optional is definitely the right thing
19:56 <+perlDreamer> if it's missing, None is the way to go
19:57 < daviddelikat86> ok, I'm putting this and the rerun->reset change into the EMS branch
19:57 < daviddelikat86> is there a freeze on 7.8?
19:58 < daviddelikat86> I was under the impression that 7.8.5 was a deadline for new stuff
19:59 <+perlDreamer> 7.8.5 is frozen for new stuff
20:00 <+perlDreamer> however, i18n and testing changes are usually excluded from that requirement
20:00 <+perlDreamer> since they improve the core, or do no affect it, respectively
20:00 < daviddelikat86> ok I'll merge these in
20:01 <+perlDreamer> be sure that you do a pull, since I made a bunch of changes to EMSSubmissionForm last night
20:01 <+perlDreamer> it would be nice to have some code cleanup in ther
20:01 <+perlDreamer> indenting, removing boilerplate code, removing commented out code, etc
20:03 < daviddelikat86> yes, cleanup would be good, I'm not really finished with the project, I'm just not sure what to do with it next.
20:04 < daviddelikat86> its in working condition but needs improvement
20:04 <+perlDreamer> when I did the Story Manager, I just started writing more and more tests and tried using the thing myself.
20:04 <+perlDreamer> also, Kristi (bopbop) was very helpful with usability issues and features
20:05 < daviddelikat86> good point I should ask if she's looked at it
20:05 <+perlDreamer> Like we've found out with the Shop, there's nothing like using the code ourselves to shake out bugs and usability issues.
20:06 < daviddelikat86> mostly I'm holding out for the freeze and trying to get helpdesk ready to move ahead
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20:23 < CIA-15> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r4ed660b / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt sbin/preload.perl): Do not include . in @INC. - http://bit.ly/84CcJ
20:29 <+perlDreamer> Haarg++
20:44 < CIA-15> webgui: Luke Robinson master * r6464000 / (lib/WebGUI/Macro/ConvertUTCToTZ.pm t/Macro/ConvertUTCToTZ.t): 
20:44 < CIA-15> webgui: ConvertUTCToTZ.pm macro and test
20:44 < CIA-15> webgui: Conflicts:
20:44 < CIA-15> webgui:  lib/WebGUI/Macro/ConvertUTCToTZ.pm - http://bit.ly/4wujaa
20:44 < CIA-15> webgui: Luke Robinson webgui-7.7 * r4300a81 / (lib/WebGUI/Macro/ConvertUTCToTZ.pm t/Macro/ConvertUTCToTZ.t): 
20:44 < CIA-15> webgui: ConvertUTCToTZ.pm macro and test
20:44 < CIA-15> webgui: Conflicts:
20:44 < CIA-15> webgui:  lib/WebGUI/Macro/ConvertUTCToTZ.pm - http://bit.ly/1lSCjh
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21:23 < CIA-15> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r74a2df9 / docs/credits.txt : Adding Luke Robinson to list of contributors. - http://bit.ly/1MjXj3
21:23 < CIA-15> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * red930ea / docs/credits.txt : Adding Luke Robinson to list of contributors. - http://bit.ly/lg2S
21:24 <+perlDreamer> yay! new tests.
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22:37 < ckotil> the carousel asset is nifty
22:37 < ckotil> im going to abandon using lightbox and use that for a gallery on one of the sites i manage
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22:53 < ckotil> is there any documentation on the file pump?
23:24 <+perlDreamer> Not much, ckotil
23:25 <+perlDreamer> do you have specific questions?
23:29 < ckotil> yeah, what does it do? it looks like you give it css files, and javascript , or anything else and you can include all of those into a webpage with a single line of code?
23:30 <+perlDreamer> yes, with a single macro call
23:30 < ckotil> sweet
23:30 <+perlDreamer> and, they are setup so that they are cache for a very, very long time
23:30 <+perlDreamer> which reduces page load times if similar bundles are used across your site
23:30 <+perlDreamer> the CSS and JS files are minimized to reduce their download time
23:31 < ckotil> ya, i tried help, the wiki, and even google for information about this new asset, and couldnt find anything
23:31 <+perlDreamer> and, if you're in admin mode, the caching and minimization are dropped, so you can work on files quickly
23:31 < ckotil> that's good.
23:31 <+perlDreamer> maybe I should write up a brief page for it
23:31 <+perlDreamer> perhaps tonight
23:32  * perlDreamer has to pick up kids from school.  If you have more questions, leave me a note in channel and I'll backlog.
23:32 < ckotil> that'd be useful.
23:32 <+perlDreamer> it's a similar concept to template attachments
23:32 < ckotil> ok. thanks for the info
23:32 < ckotil> The passive analytics stuff looks interesting too
23:33 < ckotil> i ahve used content profiling in the past, and im guessing that the analytics gathers and reports stats based on the content profile metadata
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00:13 <+perlDreamer> nope
00:13 <+perlDreamer> it does user programmable logfile analysis
00:14 <+perlDreamer> do daviddelikat86!
00:14 <+perlDreamer> go, too!
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00:14 < daviddelikat86> huh?
00:18 <+perlDreamer> sorting bugs, removing duplicates
00:18 < daviddelikat86> I'm going to make a list of HD bugs that should be marked as resolved too
00:20 < daviddelikat86> and I'm going to test the ticket closing activity and fix it if needed so that they will start to go away
00:20 <+perlDreamer> let me know if you want help
00:21 < daviddelikat86> you can mark them as resolved if you have time
00:22 <+perlDreamer> the 10811 ticket is a duplicate of which ticket?
00:22 <+perlDreamer> sorry, 11240
00:24 < daviddelikat86> I guess theres only one that I'm sure can be resolved: 10809 otherwise I'll have to wait for the next rev of helpdesk to come out
00:24 < daviddelikat86> theres quite a few that are fixed for sure in the git repo
00:25 <+perlDreamer> when is the next rev expected to be out?
00:25 < daviddelikat86> I hope to push some code out today
00:25 < daviddelikat86> then as soon as someone puts it in...
00:26 <+perlDreamer> if it's cool with preaction, we could do that tonight
00:26 <+perlDreamer> it'd be nice to be down to only 2-3 pages of bugs
00:27 < daviddelikat86> yup
00:27 <@preaction> i can do it tonight, sure
00:28 < daviddelikat86> preaction: did you see the woot shirt today?
00:28 < daviddelikat86> http://shirt.mywoot.net/
00:29 < daviddelikat86> I thought it was fitting considering the discussion last night
00:29 <+perlDreamer> preaction, if your plate is full, I can do it, too
00:30 <@preaction> that sounds good as well, then i can spend my time making sure colin has access to everything he needs
00:30 <+perlDreamer> yeah, because I need more emails...
00:31 <@preaction> well, i want to make a script/system to run some code on a whole bunch of different servers
00:31 <@preaction> i am 100% tired of having to do it manually
00:32 <+perlDreamer> there's a system for that
00:32 <+perlDreamer> it takes some considerable setup
00:32 <+perlDreamer> I talked to JT about it once...
00:32 <+perlDreamer> cfengine
00:33 <@preaction> i don't like considerable setup
00:33 <@preaction> it should be 0 setup
00:34 <+perlDreamer> on RHEL, it may be as easy as installing a package and setting up a config file
00:35 <+perlDreamer> next topic, Joeri's 304 caching bug
00:35 <+perlDreamer> I'm thinking of adding a field to the asset table called lastCacheBuild
00:36 <+perlDreamer> and a setting called Master Cache
00:36 <+perlDreamer> everytime an asset is served up by Content/Asset, it checks lastCacheBuild in addition to lastModified.
00:36 <+perlDreamer> if they are farther apart than Master Cache, it does not return the 304, and serves up the asset.
00:37 <+perlDreamer> and then it updates the lastCacheBuild field
00:37 <+perlDreamer> this prevents it from being updated on every page view
00:37 <+perlDreamer> which is an extra write
00:38 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, preaction, daviddelikat, you see any issues with that?
00:40 <@preaction> doesn't a GET request send "If-Modified-Since" header?
00:40 <+perlDreamer> no idea
00:41 <+perlDreamer> it's the navigation/macro issue
00:41 <@preaction> i think that's the only way we decide whether to send a 304
00:41 <@preaction> yeah
00:41 <+perlDreamer> so we need a way to bust that
00:41 <+perlDreamer> which is the Master Cache/lastCacheBuild idea
00:41 <+perlDreamer> every so often, period of hours or so, you send a fresh page anyway
00:41 <+perlDreamer> just in case
00:42 <@preaction> well, If-Modified-Since is the date/time the browser last got a 200 OK and a full response for that page
00:42 <+perlDreamer> I see, so you're thinking we don't need to keep track in the db when it as busted last?
00:43 <@preaction> right
00:43 <@preaction> just need to make sure if-modified-since never gets higher than the master cache setting
00:43 <@preaction> i think. i need to read about what if-modified-since is really all about
00:43 <+perlDreamer> what about the edge cases of jerks like me who say "never check the page"
00:44 <+perlDreamer> and if a user never visits twice, you'd never have a good recheck
00:46 <@preaction> okay, seems If-Modified-Since is not the last time the client got a 200 reply, it's the Last-Modified date of the page
00:46 <@preaction> (of the page from a previous request)
00:52 < CIA-15> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r49ec9f6 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/Captcha.pm): Use https method in SSL mode. Fixes bug #11249 - http://bit.ly/2yypyO
00:52 < CIA-15> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * ra732ecd / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/Captcha.pm): Use https method in SSL mode. Fixes bug #11249 - http://bit.ly/1SRSOJ
00:52 <@preaction> it seems the way to do this might be to do some modulus arithimatic on the lastUpdated field
00:54 <+perlDreamer> lastUpdated won't reflect changes in content from macros though, will it?
00:54 <@preaction> no, but what we want is for content to expire every X seconds from the lastUpdated date, right?
00:54 <@preaction> X being the Max Cache Time
00:55 <+perlDreamer> yes
00:56 <@preaction> damnit, this is not hard math and i can't see it yet
00:56 <+perlDreamer> but we can't guarantee that someone will hit on the time
00:56 <+perlDreamer> the right time, when it's modulo 0, if that's what you're thinking
00:56 <@preaction> yes, we want integer division
00:56 <@preaction> we want the last ... okay i think i got this
00:57 <@preaction> nope... one sec
00:59 <@preaction> lastUpdated + ( ( time-lastUpdated ) - ( time-lastUpdated ) % maxCache )
01:00 <@preaction> so we take the last updated date, and add the number of seconds since the last iteration of the maxCache
01:00 <@preaction> you might want to test that one ;)
01:01 <+perlDreamer> lastUpdated = lastModified ?
01:02 <@preaction> yeah, sorry
01:03 <@preaction> so if "time-lastModified" == "time since modified", "time since modified" - "time since modified" % "max cache time" = time when last cache time hit
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01:03 <+perlDreamer> unless time since modified is an integer multiple of max cache time
01:04 <@preaction> then "time since modified" % "max cache time" == 0
01:04 <@preaction> and the end result is lastUpdate + "time since updated" == time
01:04 <@preaction> which i think is what we want
01:05 <+perlDreamer> but how do you guarantee that we get a request at that time?
01:05 <@preaction> we don't have to
01:06 <+perlDreamer> but if somebody look at the page at "zero modulo time" + 1 second, we want them to see a non-304 page
01:07 <@preaction> they will, because their Last-Modified will be before that. If-Modified-Since they give us will be at least the maxCache period before the current one
01:07 <@preaction> their If-Modified-Since will be the latest Last-Modified they recieved
01:07 <+perlDreamer> right
01:07 <+perlDreamer> maybe I need an example to follow this
01:07 <@preaction> and the latest Last-Modified they recieve will be the one returned by getContentLastModified
01:07 <@preaction> (not exactly lastModified from the asset)
01:08 <+perlDreamer> Let's say we're serving up a page with an article and a navigation
01:08 <+perlDreamer> Last modified == November 17, 2009 3:10pm UTC+8
01:08 <+perlDreamer> I look at it at November 17, 2009 at 4:10pm UTC + 8 and it shows me a cached page
01:09 <+perlDreamer> on Nov 18, 2009, 7:00am pm UTC+8, someone adds a new page, changing the nav
01:09 <+perlDreamer> Max cache timeout is set to exactly 24 hours
01:09 <@preaction> no, you download the page the first time
01:09 <@preaction> but the second time you send an If-Modified-Since: November 17, 2009 3:10pm UTC+8
01:09 <@preaction> (the Last-Modified of the page request you got first)
01:09 <+perlDreamer> right
01:10 <@preaction> now, continuing on to Nov 18 7:00am
01:10 <+perlDreamer> someone updates the nav
01:10 <@preaction> you will still see a cached page, because 24 hours is not up yet
01:10 <+perlDreamer> right
01:10 <+perlDreamer> I look at the page again at 24 hours + 1 second
01:11 <+perlDreamer> how does the modulo function say that it's time to show the page vs, a 304?
01:11 <@preaction> then your Last-Modified is still the same one you sent previously, but our getContentLastModified adds another 24 hours
01:11 <+perlDreamer> no
01:11 <+perlDreamer> because the page containing the nav doesn't know the nav was updated
01:12 <+perlDreamer> getContentLastModified won't change at all
01:12 <@preaction> perlbot math 0 + ( ( 10 - 0 ) - ( 10 - 0 ) % 5 )
01:12 < perlbot> 10
01:12 <@preaction> in that example, time == 10, lastModified == 0, and maxCache == 5
01:12 <@preaction> see how we're really going to return 10 for getContentLastModified?
01:13 <@preaction> perlbot math 0 + ( ( 12 - 0 ) - ( 12 - 0 ) % 5 )
01:13 < perlbot> 10
01:13 <@preaction> 2 seconds later, still returning 10
01:13 <@preaction> perlbot math 0 + ( ( 17 - 0 ) - ( 17 - 0 ) % 5 )
01:13 < perlbot> 15
01:13 <@preaction> now we've skipped into a new maxCache iteration
01:13 <@preaction> the user will save "15" as their Last-Modified, and send it back as "If-Modified-Since"
01:15 <+perlDreamer> I see it now
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01:16 <@preaction> it's a bit obtuse, i know, but it should work w/o any extra db entries
01:16 <+perlDreamer> yeah, it's great!
01:16 <+perlDreamer> I've never seen % used to implement a step function before
01:17 <@preaction> might want to explain it thoroughly in a comment to make sure nobody tries to alter it w/o understanding
01:17 <+perlDreamer> sure
01:18 <@preaction> oh, heh, don't use time() directly in the function. get it as $now or something (second-turnover bugs are nasty)
01:18 <@preaction> also sorry if you already knew that
01:19 <+perlDreamer> I've found that out with testing, unfortunately...
01:20 <@preaction> yeah, it's one of those things you don't think about until you're writing the code (at least, once you've been bitten by it)
01:20 <+perlDreamer> I'm going to make that as a method of session->http, and use it in the 5-8 places that require it
01:20 <@preaction> i like how some bugs are so painful that you never commit them again ;)
01:20 <@preaction> there is one in session->http->ifModifiedSince
01:22 <+perlDreamer> and it can take an optional argument for max cache binning
01:22 <+perlDreamer> that way, anyone using it now can keep using it
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01:52 <+perlDreamer> preaction: have you read the docs for APR::Date?
01:53 <@preaction> nope
01:54 <+perlDreamer> it's an interesting read...
01:56 <+perlDreamer> and wrong
01:56 <+perlDreamer> it says that parse_http returns the parsed date as the number of microseconds from the epoch
01:57 <+perlDreamer> which would mean that ifModifiedSince will never return true
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02:32 <@preaction> yay found a bug! but also yay found a fix for the bug!
02:35 <@preaction> perlDreamer: got a second?
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03:28 <+perlDreamer> I'm back!
03:28 <+perlDreamer> had to go shopping for dinner
03:29 <+perlDreamer> what's up preaction?
03:29 <@preaction> i posted a bug with a potential solution, but i don't know if it's an ideal solution
03:30 <+perlDreamer> adding a mime-types file doesn't sound fun
03:30 <+perlDreamer> could it be a version specific problem?
03:31 <@preaction> no, it's enableStreamingFiles, which nobody uses except these ppl apparently
03:31 <+perlDreamer> _my_ fetchMimeType returns application/rtf
03:32 <@preaction> figures
03:32 <@preaction> fedora then?
03:32 <@preaction> i think they're RHEL 4 or 3
03:32 <@preaction> let me try 5
03:32 <@preaction> my OS X returns "text/plain"
03:32 <+perlDreamer> 5.822 is what LWP::MediaTypes on this system is
03:33 <@preaction> likewise
03:35 < CIA-15> webgui: daviddelikat master * rf12b075 / (t/Asset/EMSSubmissionForm.t t/lib/WebGUI/Test/Activity.pm): changed reset to rerun in Test::Activity - http://bit.ly/2fIbAK
03:35 < CIA-15> webgui: daviddelikat master * rb0646e4 / t/lib/WebGUI/Test/Activity.pm : added an optional param to pass in 'objectType' for the workflow. - http://bit.ly/2B5Jfq
03:35 < CIA-15> webgui: daviddelikat master * r31fb088 / (7 files in 7 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git@github.com:plainblack/webgui - http://bit.ly/2gJima
03:35  * perlDreamer puts on his bug nazi hat
03:35 <+perlDreamer> Upgrade or suffer!
03:36 < daviddelikat> upgrade?
03:36 < daviddelikat> or was that for someone else?
03:36 <+perlDreamer> someone else
03:37 < daviddelikat> k
03:37 <+perlDreamer> you're doing fine :)
03:37 < daviddelikat> whew
03:37 < daviddelikat> thats a first
03:37 <+perlDreamer> you're committing tests :)
03:37 < daviddelikat> so helpdesk is ready to go
03:37 <+perlDreamer> awesome
03:38 < daviddelikat> some cool features this release
03:38 <+perlDreamer> tell me about the upgrade and what to do?
03:38 <+perlDreamer> is it code only
03:38 <+perlDreamer> or are there packages or scripts to run?
03:38 < daviddelikat> you will want to put the packages in
03:39 < daviddelikat> actually theres only one
03:39 < daviddelikat> in the docs directory
03:39 < daviddelikat> has templates only
03:40 <+perlDreamer> all of them?
03:41 < daviddelikat> theres no database changes so all you need to do is put the code in
03:41 < daviddelikat> yes all templates are in one package
03:41 <+perlDreamer> cool
03:41 < daviddelikat> I've got to peek at some notes cuz I know I'm forgetting something....
03:41 <+perlDreamer> do you keep a changelog file in the helpdesk branch?
03:42 < daviddelikat> oof
03:42 < daviddelikat> I'm still working on that kind of discipline
03:43 < daviddelikat> I need people to bang on my head when I forget so that i learn to do that stuff
03:43  * perlDreamer gets out his +5 remotely actuated head banger
03:44 <+perlDreamer> prepare for crashings and thrashings of your poor tender head!
03:44 < daviddelikat> my head is far from tender
03:44 < daviddelikat> just ask my jody
03:45 <+perlDreamer> That's a quote from Lloyd Alexander's Prydain series
03:46 < daviddelikat> never heard of it..
03:46 < daviddelikat> ...
03:46 < daviddelikat> its time for another trip down amnesia lane...
03:46 < daviddelikat> do you remember a while ago you told me about something with the sortable field inthe helpdesk?
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03:48 <+perlDreamer> sortable field in the helpdesk...
03:48 <+perlDreamer> no, maybe we should check the IRC logs
03:48 < daviddelikat> well, I know what I needed to do, but someone else has done something else...
03:49 < daviddelikat> they commented out the sortablel field in ~one~ place
03:49 <+perlDreamer> git blame
03:49 < daviddelikat> hao
03:49 <+perlDreamer> what's the comment that goes with it?
03:50 < daviddelikat> looking
03:50  * perlDreamer is starting to remember something along those lines.
03:51 < daviddelikat> 'Fixed an issue where editing and saving a meta data'
03:52 < daviddelikat> so as far as I know the sortable feature is not in
03:52 < daviddelikat> I started coding it but ran into some questions and tok it out
03:53 < daviddelikat> ( commented it out )
03:53 < daviddelikat> so I probably missed that one piece
03:53 <+perlDreamer> that sounds familiar
03:53 < daviddelikat> which resulted in one person adding the field
03:53 < daviddelikat> and another person commenting it out
03:54 < daviddelikat> so in summary...
03:54 < daviddelikat> sortable is out
03:54 < daviddelikat> and helpdesk works
03:54 < daviddelikat> thanks for listening
03:55 < daviddelikat> can't wait to see the thing running on the WG server
03:55 < daviddelikat> we should probably tell hao to upgrade his helpdesk to get the stuff I just pushed
03:56 < daviddelikat> hes' probably missing a few things
03:57 <+perlDreamer> if his branch is setup correctly, he'll be forced to do a pull before any pushes
03:57 < daviddelikat> I suppose that will help...
04:02 < daviddelikat> by the way tests on the help desk currently run all non-www_ functions and check basic results
04:03 < daviddelikat> I imagine you were plannign on running them, but I just wanted to put that in...
04:04 <+perlDreamer> I usually don't run tests on production sites
04:04 < daviddelikat> oops
04:04 <+perlDreamer> they do bad things "remove from inbox"
04:04 < daviddelikat> there i go thinking halfway again
04:05 < daviddelikat> ever hear of gitosis?
04:07 < daviddelikat> or gitorious?
04:07 < daviddelikat> they are both web based git hosting tools
04:08 < daviddelikat> not quite github, but very nice anyway
04:13 <+perlDreamer> haven't checked out anything except for github
04:13 <+perlDreamer> and I'm heading off to dinner
04:13 <+perlDreamer> because I have to make it...
04:13 < daviddelikat> enjoy
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16:43 < SDuensin> Morning.
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20:01 <+perlDreamer> hold on
20:01 < CIA-15> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * re77d2c6 / t/Macro/FetchMimeType.t : Add an explicit test for RTF files, due to cross platform issues. - http://bit.ly/2slbnV
20:01 < CIA-15> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rd1d3bab / sbin/preload.perl : Fix problem with @INC in preload.perl. - http://bit.ly/1EogPq
20:01 < CIA-15> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r39f7925 / t/Workflow.t : Update test for a disabled workflow. - http://bit.ly/1pDHgL
20:01 < CIA-15> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r19be60c / (7 files in 7 dirs): Fix the issue with Assets with macro based content not showing the new content to Visitors. Fixes bug #11200. - http://bit.ly/3qoowm
20:02 <@Haarg> i guess i missed some parenthesis on that preload.perl adjustment
20:02 <+perlDreamer> I missed them, too
20:02 <+perlDreamer> I guess , doesn't bind as high as I think it does
20:03 < CIA-15> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r07a4a55 / t/Macro/FetchMimeType.t : Add an explicit test for RTF files, due to cross platform issues. - http://bit.ly/2V4Nl0
20:03 < CIA-15> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r9187b6b / sbin/preload.perl : Fix problem with @INC in preload.perl. - http://bit.ly/kEisP
20:03 < CIA-15> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r21e1ac8 / t/Workflow.t : Update test for a disabled workflow. - http://bit.ly/28KMhe
20:03 < CIA-15> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * re1c77cf / (7 files in 7 dirs): Fix the issue with Assets with macro based content not showing the new content to Visitors. Fixes bug #11200. - http://bit.ly/4nvGHx
20:03 <+perlDreamer> what does this mean, Haarg: warning: 1 line adds whitespace errors.
20:04 <@Haarg> git thinks whitespace at the end of the line is a bad thing
20:04 <+perlDreamer> I'll accomodate it
20:04 < CIA-15> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * ra702698 / lib/WebGUI/Content/Asset.pm : Remove trailing whitespace. - http://bit.ly/3yQR9E
20:04 <@Haarg> so it tells you when it sees a commit adding it
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20:57 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, it wouldn't be safe to do this, would it: wgd edit --tree --command 'ack -i tmplvar.assetid'
20:58 <+perlDreamer> I'm guessing the result would be to replace the contents of assets that match by what ack outputs
20:59 <@Haarg> it should be safe.  wgd edit doesn't use the out from the command for anything.  it only pays attention to file modifications.
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20:59 <+perlDreamer> maybe I'm really looking for wgd ls --filter
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23:57 <+perlDreamer> time to go pick up kids
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01:38 <@preaction> Net::SSH::Expect is better than I hoped
01:39 <@preaction> i had thought it was going to be like spit and bubble-gum
01:41 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, wgd does not like filters with spaces in the regex
01:41 <+perlDreamer> wgd ls --recursive --filter='%template% ~~ /div class/' root/import/article
01:42 <+perlDreamer> using \s will work, though
02:02 < daviddelikat> preaction
02:03 <+perlDreamer> daviddelikat, I did not upgrade helpdesk last night
02:03 <+perlDreamer> I'm sorry.
02:03 < daviddelikat> no problem
02:11 <@preaction> sup
02:15 < daviddelikat> imback
02:15 <@preaction> http://gist.github.com/239167 <- autoplex.pl so far, any ideas how to make it better?
02:16 < daviddelikat> I read JT's message RE EMS Submissions
02:16 <@preaction> i think i want to automatically handle "sudo -i" somehow
02:16 < daviddelikat> most of it is easy to take care of most of it
02:17 < daviddelikat> but the Asset thing would be fixed if he had read the Spec I sent him in Sept
02:17 < daviddelikat> which clearly states that new assets were being created
02:17 <@preaction> okay, could you send me that spec quick?
02:18 < daviddelikat> its in the WebGUI dropbox/design/ems folder
02:18 <@preaction> ok
02:21 <@preaction> i remember seeing it, it was called "ems submissions" right? but it's not there now
02:22 < daviddelikat> I'm looking at it, heres the correct path: 'My Dropbox\WebGUI\design docs\ems'
02:22 <@preaction> and the file is called "ems submissions"?
02:23 < daviddelikat> yes, they are both the same
02:23 < daviddelikat> pdf and odt
02:23 <@preaction> what do you mean both? i don't see it, i'm looking on the website now to see if something's wrong here
02:24 < daviddelikat> perhaps I'm not part of the share anymore...
02:24 <@preaction> that might be, i can't tell from here
02:24 <@preaction> e-mail it to me perhaps?
02:25 < daviddelikat> I'll stick it in my public folder and pop a url for you
02:25 < daviddelikat> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/597042/spec%20for%20EMS%20submission.pdf
02:28 <@preaction> yep, pretty clear... i'm sorry
02:29 < daviddelikat> it really doesn't matter to me, I just wanted to make sure it was clear
02:29 <@preaction> i understand what JT wants for this: users should be able to create EMSTicket assets, using a form controlled by an Admin
02:29 <@preaction> yeah, your spec was clear
02:29 <@preaction> if there are any questions, feel free to ask me
02:29 < daviddelikat> I can take care of pretty much everything else on Saturday
02:29 < daviddelikat> its small stuff
02:29 < daviddelikat> not more than bugfix - like changes
02:30 < daviddelikat> so I don't think that the freeze should matter.
02:30 <@preaction> the freeze only affects the first submit of a feature. it's in there, if it needs to be changed or bugfixed to make it better, go ahead
02:31 < daviddelikat> thats what I thought.
02:31 < daviddelikat> I'll do some work on Sat and email you what I did WRT JT's email and the hours, then I'll be done for a while
02:32 < daviddelikat> with some work I hope to have a client or two around the new year...
02:32 < daviddelikat> then I'll be back.
02:32 < daviddelikat> cuz my clients WILL use WebGUI
02:32 <@preaction> sweet
03:34 <@preaction> PB has 28 unique servers
03:35 <@preaction> fun fact of the day
03:46 < daviddelikat> I just installed my third VMware server...
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04:39 < daviddelikat> preaction: your 'autoplex.pl' looks good
04:39 < daviddelikat> ow does it work
04:39 < daviddelikat> how?
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06:12 <@preaction> it uses Net::SSH::Expect and a list of hostnames in @hosts
06:12 <@preaction> I had to set up ssh proxying, I'm probably gonna blog the whole thing
06:13 <@preaction> it always turns out when you create something to do something, someone comes along to tell you of a better solution that was done before
06:14 <@preaction> i'd like to send a payload instead of just doing Perl commands, so that's my next step
06:16 < elnino> grr. wiki search fails again.. anyone know off hand the wiki page with the hosting options listed?
06:17 <@preaction> you mean plain black's hosting options?
06:17 < elnino> no. there was a page that listed other agencies.
06:17 < elnino> not in the index either.
06:17 <@preaction> try the partners page maybe?
06:17 < elnino> s/index/table of contents
06:17  * elnino go looks
06:18 < elnino> nope not that...
06:18 < elnino> much longer list.
06:18 < elnino> was on the wiki 
06:21 < elnino> Comparetesttools.com redirects to http://www.oqapi.nl/ home page.. who's site is that?
06:21  * elnino got sidetracked.
06:22 <@preaction> http://www.oqapi.nl/mensen
06:22 <@preaction> the more i look at this language the more i understand
06:24 < elnino> =)
06:25 <@preaction> well, the ones on the Partners page are your best bet really. there aren't too many more
06:25 <@preaction> you could get a Linode and host it yourself
06:26 <@preaction> otherwise dunno. i mean, i remember seeing the page you're referring to, but durned if i can find it
06:26 < elnino> i'll use googles search.
06:31 < elnino> http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/hosters
06:50 < elnino> synq - do you do hosting? I think someone said you did, or was working on something so you could.
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16:00 < SDuensin> Greetings.
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17:26 <+perlDreamer> morning, folks
17:27 <@Haarg> morning
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17:46 <+BartJol> yawn, morning fellows
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18:10 <+perlDreamer> Long day at the office, BartJol?
18:10 <+BartJol> yes backup conf
18:11 <+BartJol> so I learned some network interface stuff
18:11 <+perlDreamer> cool
18:11 <+BartJol> now I'm looking whether a 12 GB sftp command runs ok
18:11 <+perlDreamer> I'm trying to reinvent the back button
18:12 <+perlDreamer> 12 GB!
18:12 <+BartJol> bringing you back to the stone age?
18:12 <+BartJol> yeah
18:12 <+perlDreamer> that's a lot of baby Emma pictures
18:12 <+BartJol> that's why I monitor it
18:12 <+BartJol> it's short movies
18:12 <+BartJol> lots
18:12 <+perlDreamer> hm, lots of little loops?
18:12 <+BartJol> but it's internal
18:13 <+BartJol> yes, you might have heard of the site
18:13 <+BartJol> 50 % and running ok
18:13 <+perlDreamer> is rsync an option?
18:13 <+perlDreamer> it might reduce the transferred data size
18:13 <+BartJol> and the monitoring tool indeed gives me no traffic on the outside network interface
18:14 <+BartJol> looks i did it properly
18:14 <+BartJol> well, i'm gonna prpose that
18:15 <+BartJol> but the tar part of the wrebackup gave load notifications
18:16 <+BartJol> and for the record, if I say: "looks i did it properly", you say: "I hadn't expected anything else" :P
18:16 <+perlDreamer> but of course!
18:17 <+perlDreamer> hey, how're those tests?
18:17 <+BartJol> oh yeah, git configuration
18:17 <+BartJol> looks like a nice time to do that, 17.15 in the afternoon
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18:18 <+perlDreamer> yes and no
18:18 <+perlDreamer> at 17.15 in the afternoon on a Monday, it is great
18:18 <+BartJol> it is monday, isn'tit?
18:18 <+perlDreamer> on a Friday, you are scheduled to go next door and tell MrHairgrease that it is beer:15
18:18 <+BartJol> he left me
18:18 <+BartJol> he will not join for beer
18:19 <+perlDreamer> serious?
18:19 <+BartJol> I will look like an alcolic, drinking alone
18:19 <+BartJol> yeah, he is on a weekend with his parents
18:19 <+perlDreamer> how about rory?
18:19 <+perlDreamer> joeri?
18:19 <+BartJol> he's ill, piggy flue
18:19 <+BartJol> at home with his newborn child
18:20 <+BartJol> another friend also went on a weekend
18:20 <+perlDreamer> well, in that case, you might as well work on git config :(
18:20 <+BartJol> yeah, that backup succeeded
18:20 <+BartJol> so that is 1 job done
18:22 <+BartJol> I think that security flaw lies in the forum module :)
18:22 <+perlDreamer> the last time someone posted a "security flaw" it was a matter of opinion, and they said they had a fix, but didn't post it
18:22 <+perlDreamer> this fellow shows considerably more promise
18:23 <+BartJol> yeah
18:27 <+BartJol> mmm, time to delete all that branches and start over agian
18:27 <+perlDreamer> be sure to save the tests!
18:27 <+perlDreamer> don't nuke them, you shouldn't have to write them from scratch
18:29 <+BartJol> I know :)
18:29 <+BartJol> I normally code in my webgui install, copy to my branch and add it
18:29 <+BartJol> not the easiest way prolly
18:38 <+BartJol> ok
18:39 <+BartJol> perlDreamer: what is best at the moment I suppose, is that I just give you the file, my git is a complete mess
18:39 <+BartJol> it gives me errors
18:39 <+perlDreamer> sure, email them to me and I'll test them out, commit, and then send you the right karma
18:39 <+BartJol> well, just half the karma, it takes you to much time
18:40 <+BartJol> I only have 1 complted btw
18:40 <+perlDreamer> okay
18:41 <+BartJol> on it's way
18:43 <+perlDreamer> awesome
18:43 <+perlDreamer> do you have any big house projects this weekend?
18:43 <+perlDreamer> I think I'm installing lights in the garage
18:43 <+perlDreamer> and then taking the kids to the train show in Portland
18:45 <+BartJol> wanna do something with my shower tubing
18:45 <+BartJol> but tonight is gonna be tough
18:45 <+BartJol> 2 parties
18:45 <+perlDreamer> you can do it!  Just pace yourself
18:46 < CIA-15> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r3aa9cfa / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/TabForm.pm): Prevent the back button from resubmitting data as much as possible. Fixes bug #11143. - http://bit.ly/8Plrea
18:46 < CIA-15> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r519a091 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/TabForm.pm): Prevent the back button from resubmitting data as much as possible. Fixes bug #11143. - http://bit.ly/7dhDWw
18:46 <+BartJol> well, I'm behind the bar between 9 and 1
18:46 <+perlDreamer> oh, you're tending bar?
18:47 <+BartJol> yeah
18:53 < CIA-15> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r50b2629 / t/Macro/BackToSite.t : Adding Bart's back to site macro test. - http://bit.ly/5MRD9z
18:53 < CIA-15> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r13abdd2 / t/Macro/BackToSite.t : Adding Bart's back to site macro test. - http://bit.ly/4mPLbb
18:55 <+perlDreamer> karma on the way
18:56 <+BartJol> and received
18:56 <+perlDreamer> thanks for writing that test, BartJol
18:56 <+BartJol> np
18:56 <+BartJol> thanks for the karma, let's se whether there's a nice rfe
18:57 <+BartJol> tried that language choice stuff, real cool
18:58 <+BartJol> perlDreamer: what do you think of doug's idea to just set specific files obligated for language inclusion?
18:58 <+perlDreamer> I think you hit it on the head.  It may work for now, but after the i18n changes coming in 8 it won't help
18:58 <+perlDreamer> so I'd rather go with a total score
18:59 <+BartJol> can the tags have different status, like "required" etc
19:00 <+perlDreamer> it wouldn't make much sense for someone not in the EU to translate the VAT tax plugin
19:00 <+perlDreamer> so, yes
19:00 <+perlDreamer> but those are very small
19:00 <+perlDreamer> however, certain parts of it will always need to be translated, like the name of the plugin
19:00 <+perlDreamer> so the user facing forms work right
19:01 <+BartJol> yeah
19:01 <+BartJol> hard to do all that choices
19:02 <+BartJol> well, we still can have a required status for the bare minimum stuff
19:02 <+BartJol> and the rest based on percentage
19:04 <+perlDreamer> right now, I'm more worried about finding _new_ languages up and going
19:04 <+BartJol> well Poish is comiing on
19:04 <+BartJol> polish
19:04 <+BartJol> english is almost complete
19:06 <+perlDreamer> yes, and french is there near 30%
19:07 <+BartJol> arabic of course
19:08 <+perlDreamer> no work has been done on Arabic for years, but there is a good base to build from
19:08 <+BartJol> I think ehab did some stuuf last year
19:10 <+BartJol> but as you said, it is beer 15, have to change some cloth, tending bars makes you dirty
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20:37 <@steveo_aa> In the new user account profile manager, I want to instantiate an account profile object for my utility script.  How would I go about doing that?
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20:49 <@preaction> steveo_aa: look in lib/WebGUI/Content/Account.pm, that's where WebGUI does it i believe
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21:05 <+perlDreamer> whoa
21:05 <+perlDreamer> blogs.perl.org
21:07 <@Haarg> indeed, looks pretty nice
21:07 < ckotil> it says powered by movable type at the bottom.
21:07 <@Haarg> hopefully a good replacement for use.perl.org
21:07 < ckotil> i clicked through, and then to their dev site, and it php this and that
21:08 < ckotil> s/it/its
21:08 <+perlDreamer> we should finish the blog asset
21:08 <+perlDreamer> we could build a blogging only site, with the new user workflow and the right config file
21:08 < ckotil> that'd be sweet.
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21:31 < CIA-15> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r919e143 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix cache setting and cleaning up issues in the Snippet. Fixes bug #11259 - http://bit.ly/8M7FbW
21:31 < CIA-15> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r17297f4 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix cache setting and cleaning up issues in the Snippet. Fixes bug #11259 - http://bit.ly/6xBRfz
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23:40 < SquOnk> Greetings.
23:40 < elnino_> howdy
23:40 < SquOnk> Is there a way to batch _delete_ users?
23:40 < elnino_> I put an rfe in for that... it's somewhere, let me look so you can vote. Otherwise there may be a script.
23:41 < SquOnk> elnino_: There's no script for that in the distribution.
23:42 < elnino_> then, all the more reason to vote for http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/11051!
23:56 <+perlDreamer> delete users is very simple
23:56 <+perlDreamer> foreach my $userId (@ARGV) { my $u = WebGUI::User->new($session, $userId); next unless $u; $u->delete;}
23:57 <+perlDreamer> there
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00:18 < CIA-15> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rc0fea48 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Bump requirement on LWP to fix a MIME type issue with LWP::MediaTypes. Fixes bug #11254 - http://bit.ly/7vUH0m
00:18 < CIA-15> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * ra2daa33 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Bump requirement on LWP to fix a MIME type issue with LWP::MediaTypes. Fixes bug #11254 - http://bit.ly/75rZYT
00:23 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, I need to change the template code in 33 different templates, scattered throughout the root node.
00:23 <+perlDreamer> After making the changes, I was thinking of exporting the whole import node
00:24 <+perlDreamer> to catch all the templates.  Does that seem bad/extreme to you?
00:24 < SquOnk> How's the SynCon encoding bug doing these days?
00:25 <+perlDreamer> we're having issues with the encoding tests needed to fix the bug
00:25 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: Oh
00:26 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: A few tests are failing, a lot?
00:26 <+perlDreamer> Haarg wrote a series of tests to guarantee the current behavior, and to fix the SC encoding bug
00:26 <+perlDreamer> in that test, cyrillic characters were used
00:26 <+perlDreamer> the tests are failing, but should not
00:27 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: I see.
00:28 < SquOnk> In t/Asset/Wobject/SyndicatedContent.t ?
00:28 <+perlDreamer> yes, although the tests are not released to any repo yet
00:28 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: OIC
00:28 < SquOnk> Maybe the Cyrillic symbols are being treated as KOI-8 instead of UTF-8
00:31 < SquOnk> Are the cyrillic symbols in the test program, are they being read from a file or downloaded (even via Test::MockObject)?
00:32 <+perlDreamer> SquOnk, what I've told you is hearsay.  I've not seen the tests themselves
00:32 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: All right.
00:33 <+perlDreamer> I'm fairly sure that MockObject is not involved, however
00:33 <+perlDreamer> Maybe Haarg would paste the tests and let us have a crack at them?
00:35 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: If reading/writing from files, make sure you have "use open ':encoding(UTF-8)'"
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00:36 < elnino_> thanks perlDreamer!
00:37 <+perlDreamer> you're welcome :)
00:37 <+perlDreamer> what did I do?
00:38 < elnino_> the script above
00:38 < elnino_> and all sorts of things you do here.
00:38 <+perlDreamer> well, the script above doesn't tell you how to get a session object, so be wary of the fine details
00:38 <+perlDreamer> but that one line inside of the utility script skeleton should work fine
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01:06 <+perlDreamer> this is how easy it is to modify by hand 33 templates that need bug fixes
01:06 <+perlDreamer> wgd edit `wgd ls --recursive --filter='%template% ~~ /<!--[^\n]+tmpl_var\s+assetId/' root/import/`
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01:37 <+perlDreamer> well, packaging up the entire import node doesn't seem too bad
01:45 < CIA-15> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rda2c662 / (34 files in 2 dirs): Fix usage of the assetId in comments, which can break the comment syntax. Fixes bug #10932 - http://bit.ly/6eLUIi
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02:32 <+perlDreamer> mducharme: did you notice the new LDAP related RFE?
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02:38 < mducharme2> nope, I will check
02:39 <+perlDreamer> the idea being that the user's profile is updated on each login
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02:40 < mducharme2> that would be good
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02:41 < mducharme2> of course, if you go this far, you'll want to take a closer look at what is used as the primary key, so to speak, with ldap...
02:41 < mducharme2> because some ldap directories generate guids, which would allow for user renames while retaining the same account
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02:42 <+perlDreamer> that would be a good feature.
02:42 <+perlDreamer> We fixed a bug related to that
02:42 <+perlDreamer> one of yours, right?
02:42 < mducharme> because sometimes a user gets married and you don't want to lose their info
02:42 < mducharme> no, but I knew about that bug for years
02:42 < mducharme> lol
02:42 <+perlDreamer> you should have posted it!
02:42 <+perlDreamer> preaction set up an LDAP server just to test things like that now
02:42 < mducharme> I thought it was by design, hence not a bug
02:43 < mducharme> that's the only reason I didn't report it
02:43 <+perlDreamer> you're always free to challenge us on things like that
02:43 < mducharme> in my situation I don't have users moving around the tree often enough that it is a problem
02:44 < mducharme> and I've always fixed it myself or just deleted them and let them recreate an account
02:44 < mducharme> but I have had that happen, when staff move from one department to another
02:45 < mducharme> their context changes, and webgui didn't update.. again it didn't happen often enough for it to be at the forefront of my mind for me to bother mentioning it :)
02:46 < mducharme> doesn't mysql have an ldap interface, btw?
02:46 <+perlDreamer> I don't know
02:46 < mducharme> I think I read about a method to access mysql with ldap
02:47 <+perlDreamer> http://www.mysqlconf.com/mysql2009/public/schedule/detail/8920
02:48 < mducharme> if mysql can be accessed with ldap, webgui could always just use only ldap for auth instead of needing two different auth methods
02:49 < mducharme> with the built in database being the default ldap
02:49 <+perlDreamer> that's true
02:49 <+perlDreamer> although I don't know if the mysql connector thing is free or not
02:50 < mducharme> it's just an option, would mean less code to maintain, and any enhancements would work with all ldap servers...
02:50 <+perlDreamer> you're as bad with trying to get us to use more LDAP, as I am trying to get you to hack on WebGUI  :)
02:53 < mducharme> lol
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02:59 <+perlDreamer> time for me to make dinner
02:59 <+perlDreamer> catch y'all next week
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19:57 <+patspam> http://toki-woki.net/p/scroll-clock/
19:59 < daviddelikat> that is AWESOME!
19:59 < daviddelikat> reminds me of the handwriting clock and block clock
19:59 < daviddelikat> both are flash applets that tell time
20:28 <+perlDreamer> time to burn an ubuntu install cd
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23:55 <+perlDreamer> daviddelikat, daviddelikat2: helpdesk code upgraded on webgui.org.  What kinds of things should I look for?
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00:43 <@preaction> perlDreamer: finally moving to Ubuntu?
00:59 <+perlDreamer> I'm going to give it a shot
01:01 <+perlDreamer> I have some conditions...
01:01 <+perlDreamer> It has to run t/i18n/critic_labels.t in under 40 minutes
01:02 <+perlDreamer> It has to have working CD Player right out of install
01:02 <+perlDreamer> It has to rip and encode MP3s with no extra software
01:02 <+perlDreamer> if it does all that, I'm sold
01:02 <+perlDreamer> I'm sick of 4 year-old bugs
01:02 <+perlDreamer> I'm sick of stuff breaking
01:03 <+perlDreamer> and the politics are frustrating
01:04 <+perlDreamer> if it all works out, perhaps I'll work on an ubuntu package based on SquOnk's debian package
01:05  * perlDreamer logs out, and steps into Ubuntu
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06:08 < elnino> do I have to have 8081 open on my firewall?
06:08 < elnino> for spectre to work?
06:10 < elnino> never mind 
06:14 <@preaction> nope
06:14 < elnino> is it quicker? if i do configure it in spectre.conf?
06:15 < elnino> I was getting ADMIN: Couldn't connect to WebGUI site *.conf at :8081/?op =spectreGetSiteData
06:15 < elnino> when I had 8081 configured. I changed it back to 80. The comments in that file were a little confusing to me.
06:29 < elnino> hmm. in 7.7.26-stable I'm getting a boatload of files missing in /data/WebGUI/www/extras/yui/build/
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20:54 < CIA-15> WebGUI: translation * r12411 /translations/German/German/Asset_EMSSubmission.pm: Updating German on translation server
20:54 < CIA-15> WebGUI: translation * r12412 /translations/German/German/ShipDriver_USPSInternational.pm: Updating German on translation server
20:54 < CIA-15> WebGUI: translation * r12413 /translations/German/German/ (Asset_EventManagementSystem.pm Asset_EMSSubmissionForm.pm): Updating German on translation server
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00:58 <+perlDreamer> preaction: ubuntu isn't too bad, so far
00:58 <+perlDreamer> but heaven help you if you use LVM
00:59 <@preaction> yeah, i don't think they're very keen on LVM yet
00:59 <+perlDreamer> if I can get my email hooked up, then I should be golden
01:00 <+perlDreamer> for some reason, it used my firefox and pidgin settings, but not thunderbird
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01:19 <+perlDreamer> preaction: which email client do you use on ubuntu?
01:20 <@preaction> i used Evolution, worked nicely
01:21 <+perlDreamer> did they ever fix it so you could use vim as an editor?
01:22 <@preaction> i don't know
01:22 <@preaction> i use all OS X these days
01:22 <@preaction> haven't used ubuntu for 2 years at least
01:22 <@preaction> i have debian on my servers, but no X on those
01:33 <+perlDreamer> must be part of the evolution
01:33 <+perlDreamer> start with Slackware, move to Red Hat, move to Fedora, move to Ubuntu, move to closed, proprietary free software
01:33 <@preaction> based on how fed up you get with having to fix things yourself
01:34 <+perlDreamer> I used RedHat-ish for 12 years
01:34 <+perlDreamer> I'll have to use Ubuntu for at least that long
01:45 <@preaction> that won't take long
01:59 <+perlDreamer> tux racer works
01:59 <+perlDreamer> the kids are happy
02:26 <+perlDreamer> thanks to SquOnk, for a source install all I need to do is install the WebGUI package
02:34 <@preaction> yup
02:39 <+perlDreamer> got mail up and gonig
02:39 <+perlDreamer> it uses a different dot directory
02:39 <+perlDreamer> fedora uses .thunderbird, and ubuntu uses .mozilla-thunderbird
02:46 <+perlDreamer> you know a customer with the email addres Lrsda@comcast.net?
02:48 <@preaction> why?
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02:50 < elnino> hi!
02:52 <+perlDreamer> hey, elnino!
02:52 <+perlDreamer> I installed Ubuntu on my laptop today
02:53 < elnino> that sounds fun.
02:54 <+perlDreamer> it's working great so far
02:54 <+perlDreamer> the hardware compatibility is way better
02:54 <+perlDreamer> wireless starts up in about 2 seconds
02:54 <+perlDreamer> the audio worked out of the box
02:54 <+perlDreamer> with really good sound levels
02:54 < elnino> nice.
03:06 < elnino> hmm.
03:06 < elnino> I want to export the entire site to html. but when I edit a branch, I'm not given the choice to recursively set assets to exportable.  =(
03:07 <+perlDreamer> hm
03:07 < elnino> that makes me sad.  =(
03:08 < elnino> I suppose I can up date the db.
03:08 <+perlDreamer> that could be considered a bug, since that property is shared by all assets
03:08 <+perlDreamer> BUT
03:08 <+perlDreamer> is also defaults to TRUE
03:08 <+perlDreamer> so you shouldn't have to do that
03:08 < elnino> I started noticing that. =)
03:08 < elnino> after going thru each to set them. =)
03:09 < elnino> ok.  so... how do I export this site?
03:09 < elnino> external script?
03:09 <+perlDreamer> asset menu
03:09  * elnino feverishly looking for my book.
03:09 <+perlDreamer> and make sure that you have an export directory defined in the config file
03:10 < elnino> apparently I have to enable it too.
03:10 < elnino> so , what happens with the upload directory?
03:10 < elnino> does the export take care of that?
03:11 <+perlDreamer> yup
03:11 <+perlDreamer> it's very, very thorough
03:11 < elnino> oh.. this enables it for all sites.
03:12 < elnino> oh. no it doesnt.
03:19 <+perlDreamer> no, it's site per site
03:20 < elnino> rght. I have it setup now.
03:21 < elnino> so.  I think this is going to uploaded to a windows server, so I really don't want to do anything with the uploads and extras, and it sounds like I need to zip those up and give those directories to them as well.
03:21 < elnino> cause symlinks won't work.
03:27 < elnino> hmm. it didn't grab my css and javascript files. which I probably know why... I just referenced them directly by url. what macro do I need ot use to "get them"?
03:35 <@preaction> you just need to go export them too
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04:23 < elnino> ok.
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06:24 <+perlDreamer> this ubuntu is actually quite nice
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06:51 < elnino> I have a server with many sites on int aleady. but I need to have the db admin dump a 7.5 site so that I may move it to my server. They will not upgrade.  is there a nifty way to be able to transfer a 7.5 site to 7.6?
06:52 < elnino> I'm trying to do a package, but the resulting file appears to be too large. I suppose I can break it up.
07:00 < elnino> is there a way to run sql upgrade scripts on a single old db? preaction? Haarg?
07:01 <@preaction> not really. you'd be better off downloading it to your own desktop so you can upgrade it properly, and then putting it on the new server
07:02 < elnino> is 146M too large for http? I'm seeing notes on a wiki that it is.
07:02 <@preaction> most likely, yes
07:03 < elnino> hmm. ok.
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16:03 < SDuensin> Greetings.
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17:03 < SquOnk> Greetings
17:04 <+danny_mk> Hi
17:05 < SDuensin> Welcome to Monday.  Again.
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18:19 <+perlDreamer> morning, folks
18:22 <@Haarg> morning
18:23 < CIA-15> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * re54d02c / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix i18n typo in EMS Submission. - http://bit.ly/56eJ1C
18:25 <+perlDreamer> the Help Desk does not work with Ubuntu's FireFox
18:25 <+perlDreamer> that is very unfortunate
18:25 <@Haarg> what part doesn't work?
18:26 <+perlDreamer> Adding comments, and changing status
18:26 <@Haarg> looks like the last update partially broke the status field
18:26 <@Haarg> it's displaying the internal name
18:27 <+perlDreamer> when I try to change status, no dialog box pops up
18:28 <+perlDreamer> for regular comments, the save button is about 8 pixels wide
18:28 <+perlDreamer> smaller than any character
18:31 <+perlDreamer> Firebug says there's an issue with a call made in element-min
18:31 <+perlDreamer> and I get the same issues with Opera
18:32 <@Haarg> cleared cache i assume?
18:32 <+perlDreamer> you may so assume
18:32 <@Haarg> what firefox version?
18:32 <+perlDreamer> 3.5.5
18:32 <+perlDreamer> on Ubuntu 9.10
18:32 <@Haarg> i suppose i need to make a 3.5 install
18:32 <@Haarg> currently using 3.6 betas
18:33 <+perlDreamer> Haarg redefines bleeding edge
18:38 <@Haarg> ah, i see the status change thing
18:38 <@Haarg> it just works differently now
18:38 <@Haarg> no prompt, no save button
18:38 <@Haarg> it just changes it
18:40 <+perlDreamer> I still get a save button
18:42 <@Haarg> bug template bug i think
18:42 <@Haarg> there is no button on the rfe or support boards
18:43 <+perlDreamer> the last update included a template mod
18:43 <+perlDreamer> I'm guessing that the RFE and support boards use custom templates?
18:44 <@Haarg> no
18:44 <@Haarg> but the bug board does
18:53 <+perlDreamer> I'll fix it.
18:55 <+perlDreamer> looks like bug and rfe both use the same template
18:56 <+perlDreamer> hang on
18:59 <+perlDreamer> the difference in is the view ticket tempaltes
19:04 <+perlDreamer> there's a wgdev version tag pending
19:07 <+perlDreamer> committing it does two things
19:07 <+perlDreamer> 1) breaks any kind of width fix
19:07 <+perlDreamer> 2) makes the post comment button work again
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19:10 <@Haarg> morning patspam
19:10 <+patspam> hola
19:10 <+patspam> i always seem to get a cold when i come to america
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19:54 < daviddelikat1> perlDreamer 
19:55 <+perlDreamer> sir?
19:55 < daviddelikat1> I was just reading the comments about helpdesk
19:55 < daviddelikat1> and both REF and helpdesk are supposed to be using the same template
19:55 < daviddelikat1> that was supposed to change a couple months ago
19:56 <@Haarg> iirc the reason the bug board is using a different template is because of the karma problems
19:56 < daviddelikat1> it is perhaps that neither of them are using the correct template
19:56 < daviddelikat1> I remember that discussion, I thought it was fixed
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19:59 < daviddelikat1> anyway, I'm not sure the new helpdesk will work with either of the old templates
20:00 < daviddelikat1> but the diversions should be minor
20:00 <@preaction> perlDreamer: did you decide what you want to do for WebGUI 8?
20:00 <@preaction> also, I'd like you and I to take one day out of our week to work on bugs
20:03 <+perlDreamer> I'm okay with doing backend work
20:03 <+perlDreamer> and, how 'bout today for bugfix day?
20:04 <@preaction> that's my plan for me, but you can have yours whenever
20:04 <@preaction> i've got some errands to run and some business-related tasks to complete, but i should be able to get a solid 6 hours on bugs
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20:18 <+perlDreamer> Yay!  got apache up and running
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20:54 < CIA-15> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * ra2264e3 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix bad usage of quoteAndJoin in CleanLoginHistory. There's no other place where this happens. Fixes bug #11263 - http://bit.ly/5Bv4u3
20:55 < CIA-15> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rdd897f5 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix bad usage of quoteAndJoin in CleanLoginHistory. There's no other place where this happens. Fixes bug #11263 - http://bit.ly/7kosZo
20:59 <+perlDreamer> that last bug was introduced through a refactor of CleanUserLogin, with no tests
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21:08 <+perlDreamer> Haarg: what's preferred YAML module for wgd?
21:08 <+perlDreamer> YAML::Syck?
21:08 <@Haarg> YAML::XS probably
21:19 <+perlDreamer> thanks
21:28 < CIA-15> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * rf16adb9 / (29 files in 2 dirs): use alphanumerics in HTML comments. - http://bit.ly/7HY9cG
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21:31 <+perlDreamer> elnino: for the YUI files in the wrong place bug, were you using any assets in particular?
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21:52 <+perlDreamer> running time
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23:23 <@preaction> uh... is the helpdesk broken?
23:23 <@preaction> i can't update status of a bug
23:29 <+perlDreamer> preaction: now it's modal, without a comment box
23:29 <+perlDreamer> just add a comment
23:29 <+perlDreamer> then hit edit
23:29 <+perlDreamer> choose the status, then hit save
23:29 <@preaction> sigh. we need to stop working without a spec on this thing
23:30 <@preaction> this should be my first WebGUIx project
23:32 <+perlDreamer> preaction: for the Code Editor, try using FF
23:32 <+perlDreamer> the problem seems to be that it wants to do a focus grab
23:32 <+perlDreamer> and when there's more than 1...
23:33 <@preaction> ah
23:48 <@preaction> Today's reason I hate WebGUI: Private profiles are hidden from Admins
23:51 <+perlDreamer> You can use the User Manager?
23:52 <@preaction> yes, but the link in the support helpdesk is to the user profile, because that's what Everybody would be able to veiw
23:52 <@preaction> second reason: why are User Manager and Profile Viewer two seperate things? why do Users and Admins edit user profiles through different interfaces?
23:53 <+perlDreamer> Because the Account system wasn't designed that way
23:53 <+perlDreamer> it wasn't designed _for_ WebGUI
23:53 <@preaction> heh, actually it was. it was designed for the Alumni group, and they use it to edit user profiles via normal users and admins
23:54 <+perlDreamer> so if all the other stuff was brought over, why weren't the editing privileges?
23:54 <@preaction> in fact, due to special bits about their site, if you edit users from the User Maanger, they get corrupted
23:54 <@preaction> i don't know
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00:27 < CIA-15> webgui: Doug Bell master * r16cfc75 / (2 files in 2 dirs): fix 11185 Code editor broken in IE8 for SQLreport - http://bit.ly/7tt8CU
00:27 < CIA-15> webgui: Doug Bell master * ra1413a9 / (2 files in 2 dirs): fix 11177 Code editor steals focus on load - http://bit.ly/6QKFFQ
00:28 < CIA-15> webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.7 * r772ebdf / (2 files in 2 dirs): fix 11185 Code editor broken in IE8 for SQLreport - http://bit.ly/67ICa7
00:28 < CIA-15> webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.7 * r695a6e3 / (2 files in 2 dirs): fix 11177 Code editor steals focus on load - http://bit.ly/7A7DLn
00:28 <@preaction> yay!
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00:52 < CIA-15> webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.7 * rca83f34 / (2 files in 2 dirs): fix 10888 final touches on map point bugs - http://bit.ly/8DqV3E
00:52 < CIA-15> webgui: Doug Bell master * rdb14bc6 / (2 files in 2 dirs): fix 10888 final touches on map point bugs - http://bit.ly/6sHJyb
00:55 <+perlDreamer> nice work, man!
00:55 <@preaction> danks
00:55  * perlDreamer continues applying the scalpel to the AssetManager
00:56 <@preaction> you should apply the bludgeon
00:56 <@preaction> or better yet, the high explosive
00:57 <+perlDreamer> It can be saved
00:57 <+perlDreamer> We can build it to be better, stronger, faster
00:57 <@preaction> we don't have 6 million dollars
00:57 <+perlDreamer> and that was 1975 dollars, too
01:16 <@preaction> okay, 7 bugs closed today. time for exercise
01:26 < elnino> perlDreamer, If I remember correctly, I was just in "func=manageAssets" mode.
01:31 <+perlDreamer> I happen to be in there right now...
01:38 < elnino> yea, that was just a weird bug.. let's me quick look at the logs. because I couldn't find anything either when I tried to repeat it the way I thought it occured.
01:39 < elnino> perlDreamer.. oven timer just went off, will you be around later?
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01:41 <+perlDreamer> yup
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02:46 <+perlDreamer> bbiaw
03:08 < elnino> perlDreamer let me know when you're back.
03:11 < elnino> apparently I"ve been getting those errors since June from that same ip address: 38.100.8.50, that's not mine. I wonder if it's just someone trying to hack? do those attemps gointo the mod proxy error file?
03:17 <+perlDreamer> any attempt to retrieve files from your server will be logged.
03:17 <+perlDreamer> maybe someone has a badly cached page
03:18 < elnino> I don't know.  So., I'm thinking these are coming from the "outside" trying to get these pages, as opposed to somehing I'm doing, since it isn't my ip address.
03:18 < elnino> you can close bug. Sorry...
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03:53 <@preaction> nice. i think i created an infinite loop in the syndicated content asset
03:55 <@preaction> worse, it's like a forkbomb. sigh...
03:56 <@preaction> WebGUI needs to stop directing a 404 to the home page...
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04:07 <+perlDreamer> elnino, no need to apologize
04:07 <+perlDreamer> we'd rather close ones that aren't
04:08 <+perlDreamer> than miss ones that are
04:35 <@preaction> hah... forgot that "require" is a filename, not a class name...
04:51 <@preaction> yay! not much work until WebGUIx::Asset::get_edit_form is done!
04:55 <@preaction> strike that... i need a WebGUI::Asset::Template::FromFile before I can continue
05:02 <+perlDreamer> File based templates?
05:02 <+perlDreamer> you pulled them out of the DB?
05:02 <+perlDreamer> intriguing...
05:08 <@preaction> no, i want Both, but i want no HTML in the code at all
05:08 <@preaction> instead, i'll use file-based templates
05:08 <@preaction> plus then the option is there for the developer
05:09 <@preaction> also, any WebGUIx::Asset::Template object will be able to be easily replaced with a different one, while retaining all data
05:09 <@preaction> (moving the template vars from one object to another really)
05:11 <@preaction> plus, it's not just assets that have get_edit_form, it's any Model. so making a composite asset will be that much less work
05:16 <@preaction> okay, gotta be a WebGUI::Template::Asset and WebGUI::Template::File
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05:17 <@preaction> question: What would you all say to people being able to use Template Toolkit directives in any content?
05:18 <@preaction> (to replace Macros completely)
05:18 <@preaction> with the appropriate safeguards and filters, of course
05:23 <+perlDreamer> I think it's a fine idea
05:23 <+perlDreamer> less syntax to learn
05:24 <+perlDreamer> unless it's horribly slow, of course
05:24  * perlDreamer is calling it a night
05:24 <+perlDreamer> more hackery tomorrow
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17:57 <+perlDreamer> morning, folks
17:57 <@Haarg> morning
17:58 <+perlDreamer> do you have some time to talk static_definition, Haarg?
17:58 <@Haarg> yeah
17:59 <+perlDreamer> what do I need to know?
18:07 < SquOnk> Morning
18:08 <+perlDreamer> Good morning, SquOnk
18:08 <+perlDreamer> The WebGUI debian package greatly simplified getting up to speed on Ubuntu
18:08 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: Ah, that means the Ubuntu folks haven't tampered with the package at all <g>
18:08 <+perlDreamer> I pulled it from the debian repo
18:09 <+perlDreamer> it's not in Ubuntu (yet)
18:09 < SquOnk> If there's a release today, there will be an updated one tomorrow.
18:10 < SquOnk> Since Net::Subnets is gone from CPAN, the next package will depend on libnet-cidr-lite-perl OR libnet-subnets-perl for a while.
18:10 <+perlDreamer> I do have a debian related question, if you have some time?
18:10 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: Sure, fire away. I'm running some tests anyway ;-)
18:10 <+perlDreamer> Why did debian rename ack to ack-grep?
18:11 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: There's ack and ack-grep
18:11 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: ack was there before ;-)
18:11 <+perlDreamer> ah...
18:12 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: ack is a Kanji checker. It was there before ack-grep
18:12 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: It has happened several times, mind you.
18:13 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: For instance, atlas is a very nifty linear algebra toolkit, while atlas is also a nice moving map application for flightgear.
18:13 < SquOnk> So Debian has atlas and atlas-fgfs
18:13 <+perlDreamer> I'll probably make a nice shell alias, since I'm not a common Kanji-checker
18:14 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: Not needed.
18:14 <+perlDreamer> How so?
18:14 < SDuensin> Greetings.
18:15 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: Hold on, let me check ack-grep a minute
18:18 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: man update-alternatives
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18:18 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: Basically, tell Debian that 'grep' means 'ack-grep', so that if you ever remove 'ack-grep', 'grep' becomes 'grep' again.
18:19  * perlDreamer would rather tell debian that ack-grep means ack, since ack_kanji will never exist on the system
18:19 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: Or that too ;-)
18:20 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: The alias solution will work, of course.
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18:25 < SquOnk> FWIW, rsyslog beats syslog-ng by a long shot...
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18:47 <+perlDreamer> morning, patspam!
18:47 <+patspam> heya
18:48 <+patspam> I just discovered that there is a biscuit here called Graham Crackers
18:48 <+perlDreamer> Yes!  It is an essential component of s'mores
18:49 <+perlDreamer> also quite good with leftover frosting, and Nutella
18:49 <+perlDreamer> (and I wonder why I have problems losing weight :/ )
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18:51 < SquOnk> :-)
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20:24 <@preaction> i anticipate by Jan 1 I'll have a working WebGUIx Asset
20:25 <@preaction> with the chrismas break giving me an entire 10 days to work on it
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20:59 < dionak> should a test exist for EMSBadge (in a perfect world)?
20:59 < dionak> or would that be covered by the EventManagementSystem.t?
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22:03 <@preaction> okay, so I submitted a patch for a module, and the owner released a new version including the patch. now what do i do?
22:03 <@preaction> https://rt.cpan.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=51801
22:09 <+perlDreamer> upgrade?
22:11 <@preaction> i mean, how do i shout from the rooftops that i'm awesome?
22:11 <+perlDreamer> blog about it?
22:12 <@preaction> yeah, that's all i could think of too
22:13 <+perlDreamer> no, you were thinking banner ads, and it's good that you didn't go down that path
22:13 <@preaction> well, i was considering blanketing the neighborhood with flyers, but that'd be time-consuming
22:14 <+perlDreamer> that's what kids are for :)
22:14 <+perlDreamer> "I have these nice cookies, and all you have to do is hand out these pieces of paper"
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22:21 <@preaction> perlbot .at
22:21 < perlbot> preaction: No factoid found. Did you mean one of these: [.ad] [.at] [AD&D] [add] [addd] [adddd]   
22:21 <@preaction> perlbot: .at
22:21 < perlbot> preaction: .at is Austria   
22:24 <@preaction> heh, WebGUI handles UTF-8 better than RT and CPAN do
22:35 < CIA-15> wrebuild: Koen de Jonge master * rfdaf4a9 / (build.sh getsource.sh wre/docs/changelog.txt): updating packages - http://bit.ly/8MVkwz
22:35 < CIA-15> wrebuild: Koen de Jonge master * rb5706dd / (3 files in 2 dirs): Updating packages - http://bit.ly/4IB8wt
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22:36 <+danny_mk> hello everyone, 
22:36 <+danny_mk> These workflows are driving me to drink
22:36 < SynQ> rejoice!
22:36 <+danny_mk> I have a work flow that is scheduled for every minute but it is not running
22:36  * SynQ has started working on wrebuild again
22:36 <+danny_mk> no errors in log, 
22:36 <+perlDreamer> is the workflow enabled?
22:37 <+danny_mk> yes
22:37 <+danny_mk> everything is right
22:37 <+danny_mk> I can run it manually no problem but it is almost like it never runs on its own
22:38 <+perlDreamer> you've checked your cron spec to make sure it's right?
22:38 <+danny_mk> I would hate to create cronjobs to do this stuff but it may come down to that if I can't solve this issue
22:38 <+danny_mk> yup
22:38 <+danny_mk> min:  */1
22:38 <+danny_mk> to run every minute
22:38 <+danny_mk> everything else is *
22:38 <@Haarg> do the other workflows run properly?
22:39 <+danny_mk> I have not tried them but there are no running workflows
22:39 <+danny_mk> usually when the system has problems there are queued workflows
22:39 <+perlDreamer> spectre is up and running, and configured correctly?
22:39 <+danny_mk> yup
22:39 <+danny_mk> 32157 ?        S      0:00 /data/wre/prereqs/bin/perl spectre.pl --daemon
22:49 <+perlDreamer> which version of WebGUI?
23:02 <+danny_mk> 7.7.26
23:03 <@preaction> i've had problems with every-one-minute spectre tasks before
23:03 <@preaction> perhaps you'd be better off triggering it from the action instead? what is this workflow doing?
23:06 <+danny_mk> WTF?
23:06 <+danny_mk> it shows 0 scheduled tasks
23:06 <+danny_mk> something is very wrong here
23:08 <+perlDreamer> the cron is enabled?
23:09 <+danny_mk> cron?
23:09 < CIA-15> webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * rc86ef6b / lib/WebGUI/Cache.pm : Remove old Cache code for filesystem cache. - http://bit.ly/4Ifyg4
23:09 < CIA-15> webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * rdd8674c / (README lib/WebGUI/AssetHelper.pm): Add README file, and base class for AssetHelpers. - http://bit.ly/5GfqSy
23:09 <+danny_mk> you mean spectre?
23:09 <+perlDreamer> no :)
23:09 <+perlDreamer> Spectre runs Cron jobs, and Workflows
23:09 <+perlDreamer> Cron jobs are periodic, and Workflows are called from Cron jobs, or by specific actions in WebGUI
23:09 <+perlDreamer> if you Cron job is not enabled, Spectre won't run it
23:10 <+perlDreamer> but it will show up in the list of cron jobs in WebGUI
23:10 <+danny_mk> yes, OK, you mean scheduler ";op=manageCron"
23:10 <+perlDreamer> eys
23:10 <+perlDreamer> yes
23:10 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, I need some git help, please
23:11 <+danny_mk> I see enabled and disabled jobs in that list, that does not look right either
23:11 <@Haarg> ?
23:11 <+perlDreamer> I just pushed some code intended for a branch in WebGUI 8
23:11 <+perlDreamer> I need to revoke it, create a new remote branch, and try again
23:11 < SynQ> perlDreamer: putting Net::CIDR::Lite into WRE :)
23:11 <@Haarg> git revert
23:12 < CIA-15> webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * rf8dea7f / (README lib/WebGUI/AssetHelper.pm): 
23:12 < CIA-15> webgui: Revert "Add README file, and base class for AssetHelpers."
23:12 < CIA-15> webgui: This reverts commit dd8674c49b3ca6c8c952ae4a3d0b5c4392736c48. - http://bit.ly/4N50vu
23:12 <+perlDreamer> there's another one, too, SynQ
23:12 <+perlDreamer> Net::CIDR::Lite replaces Net::Subnets
23:13 < SynQ> indeed so
23:13 <@Haarg> git checkout -b asset-helpers dd8674c49b3ca6c8c952ae4a3d0b5c4392736c48
23:13 < SynQ> I'm removing Net::Subnets from the WRE too :)
23:13 <+perlDreamer> LWP
23:14 <+perlDreamer> LWP has been updated
23:14 <+perlDreamer> subversion .833
23:14 <+perlDreamer> that's the latest one
23:14 <+perlDreamer> so you're probably fine, SynQ
23:14 < SynQ> hang on there
23:15 < SynQ> I'm updating perl modules right now
23:15 < SynQ> POE for example is also updated :)
23:16 <+perlDreamer> There was a bug in x.824. with the MIME types file that ships with LWP
23:16 <+perlDreamer> we know that x.833 works okay
23:16 <+perlDreamer> and there's a test to check it going forward
23:16 <+perlDreamer> so if the suite runs clean, you're good to go
23:18 < SynQ> great
23:18 < SynQ> I love tests
23:19 <+perlDreamer> me, too
23:19 <+perlDreamer> I'm paying people to write tests now
23:19 <+perlDreamer> in Karma
23:20 < SynQ> wow
23:21 <+perlDreamer> Want to join in? :)
23:24 < SynQ> well
23:24 <+danny_mk> perlDreamer: should disabled jobs show up in the action "?op=manageCron" 
23:24 <@preaction> yes
23:24 < SynQ> I'm going to write a proposal on karma for christmas
23:24 < SynQ> as promised on the WUC
23:25 <+perlDreamer> Just don't take my karma away.  I'm using it now!
23:25 < SynQ> karma will never be the same 
23:25 <+perlDreamer> SynQ, I switched to using Ubuntu this weekend.
23:25 < SynQ> are we still using the perl module trace
23:26 < SynQ> perlDreamer: I'm using ubuntu to build the new wre
23:26 <+perlDreamer> is this going to be 0.9.4, or 1.0.0?
23:26 < SynQ> dunno
23:26 < SynQ> don't care what it's called actually
23:27 < SynQ> as long as there will be a new updated and working version
23:27 <+perlDreamer> I should ask then, will it have 64-bit working?
23:27 < SynQ> that can be used @procolix and @patspam
23:27 < SynQ> I cannot be sure of that
23:27 < SynQ> 64bit is not on my priority list
23:27 < SynQ> does not scratch my own itch so to say
23:28 <+perlDreamer> gotcha
23:28 < SynQ> why?
23:29 < SynQ> do you need it
23:29 <@preaction> it will be 0.9.4
23:29 <@preaction> 1.0 will not be until 64-bit works
23:30 < CIA-15> wrebuild: Koen de Jonge master * r05f7589 / (4 files in 2 dirs): updated perl modules - http://bit.ly/79eIwh
23:30 < SynQ> preaction: I am not in charge of release management for the wre
23:30 < SynQ> however I will release a working version of an updated wre
23:30 < SynQ> perhaps even for os/x
23:31 < SynQ> since I own a apple macbook pro since the wuc
23:32 < SynQ> but my main focus is at debian lenny i386 arch
23:32 <@preaction> i'll try to figure out our WRE build system, but no promises it will happen this week
23:33 < SynQ> oh
23:33 < SynQ> I might not even be done updating the wre this week
23:33 < SynQ> so no sweat
23:33 <@preaction> okay, let me know when you want to mark 0.9.4 then
23:33 <@preaction> i'll try to figure it out before then
23:34 < SynQ> shall/should I include a recent version of git into the WRE?
23:34 < SynQ> would that be nice?
23:35 < SynQ> wre being a kitchen sink and all
23:35 <+perlDreamer> wgd :)
23:35 < SynQ> and wgd indeed
23:35 <+perlDreamer> patspam will want Padre
23:35 <@preaction> not yet, let's wait for that
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23:35 <@preaction> though wgd might be sooner rather than later
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23:38 < SynQ> I'm going to bed now leaving my adjusted WRE for a build...
23:38 < SynQ> nite
23:40 <+perlDreamer> good night, SynQ.
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00:04 <+perlDreamer> off to get kids from school, be back in a bit
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00:37 <+perlDreamer> crud
00:37 <+perlDreamer> I hope he got his spectre problem figured out
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01:52 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, had to bump the Test::More version since we're using "note" now.
01:54 < daviddelikat> how can i re-create  wre.conf?
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01:58 <+perlDreamer> the only I know how to create wre.conf is to rerun the wreconsole
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02:01 < daviddelikat> I don't use wre much
02:01 < daviddelikat> does it require parameters?
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02:02 < daviddelikat> do I need to re-create my site?
02:02 < CIA-15> webgui: Doug Bell fb * r4877313 / (lib/WebGUI/FormBuilder.pm lib/WebGUI/FormBuilder/Fieldset.pm): added some toTemplateVars stuff - http://bit.ly/4z7O6K
02:02 <@preaction> it doesn't require params, and no you don't need to re-create your sites
02:03 < daviddelikat> it says 'could't parse JSON in config file'
02:03 < daviddelikat> the filel is zero bytes
02:03 < daviddelikat> (I had a file space problem over the weekend... )
02:03 <@preaction> try replacing it with the one from wre/var/setupfiles/wre.conf
02:04 <@preaction> that bug should've been fixed in Config::JSON
02:04 < daviddelikat> it probably is not a bug
02:05 < daviddelikat> I ran out of space on my root partition
02:05 < daviddelikat> and my test script tried to create a new site
02:06 <@preaction> right, but if you run out of space, the wre.conf should not be wiped out
02:09 < daviddelikat> ok that fixed it, thanks very much
02:09 < daviddelikat> I'll finish my testing and put the code tonight.
02:09 <@preaction> okay, if i want to go all overboard on making .dpkg for webgui (individual versions, a -stable and -beta metapackage, etc...) where would i start? anyone know?
02:10 <+perlDreamer> start with SquOnk's existing package?
02:10 <@preaction> probably
02:11 <@preaction> i got a friend who either used to or still does maintain some dpkgs as well
02:11 <@preaction> the WRE is just annoying me too much
02:11 <@preaction> and vmware is an awesome place to do dev in
02:20 <+perlDreamer> what does the current package not do, that you want it to do?
02:20 <@preaction> dunno, haven't tried it
02:20 <+perlDreamer> it works pretty well
02:20 <+perlDreamer> I used it on Sunday
02:20 <@preaction> i don't think it tracks beta releases
02:21 <+perlDreamer> no, it only tracks stable, but aside from a few modules it does all the rest
02:28 < CIA-15> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r5f1dba5 / sbin/testEnvironment.pl : Bump testing module requirement to handle new test methods in Test::More. - http://bit.ly/7rRFlh
02:28 < CIA-15> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r6e1d9a3 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt www/extras/templateAttachments.js): Fix a JS race condition with template attachments i18n. - http://bit.ly/6CHV2x
02:30 <+perlDreamer> how does one install a .deb file from the command line?
02:30 < fokat> perlDreamer: dpkg -i foo.deb
02:30 <+perlDreamer> thanks, fokat
02:30 <+perlDreamer> got any WebGUI questions that I can troubleshoot for you?
02:32 < fokat> not yet :-)
02:32 <+perlDreamer> well, consider yourself owed one
02:32 < fokat> Thanks :-)
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03:02 < daviddelikat> so i got the sample wre.conf and wre is good, but WG modperl and modproxy wont start because the perl path is too short; can somebody past me the correct path?
03:02 < daviddelikat> or perhaps send me a copy of a working wre.conf
03:04 < daviddelikat> looks like I have more todo than just the path...
03:07 <@preaction> perl path is too short?
03:07 <@preaction> did you make sure to run setup again?
03:07 < CIA-15> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rfae11ff / sbin/testEnvironment.pl : Bump testing module requirement to handle new test methods in Test::More. - http://bit.ly/6qT9xq
03:07 < CIA-15> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r871991a / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt www/extras/templateAttachments.js): Fix a JS race condition with template attachments i18n. - http://bit.ly/5QNy3w
03:08 < daviddelikat> setup via wreconsole? -- Im  trying but its not working
03:10 < daviddelikat> I'm getting connection refused
03:10 <@preaction> that's a firewall issue
03:11 < daviddelikat> oops, I forgot, I'm trying to get to the wrong host...
03:12 < daviddelikat> yeah! it works really well when you use the ip of the system its running on rather than just localhost...
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03:19 <+perlDreamer> some days, it is good to be the Dad
03:24 < daviddelikat> it makes a great excuse :)
03:26 <+perlDreamer> meaning to say, kids are doing well
03:26 <+perlDreamer> tonight
03:26 <+perlDreamer> at least right now
03:27 < daviddelikat> so the path used by perl has ~only~ one entry
03:27 <+perlDreamer> hm?
03:27 < daviddelikat> which prevents aything from running
03:27 < daviddelikat> I'm having trouble running WG
03:27 < daviddelikat> modperl and modproxy wont start
03:28 < daviddelikat> because they can't load any WG modules
03:28 < daviddelikat> due to the path
03:28 < daviddelikat> do you know where the path comes from?
03:28 <+perlDreamer> did you run setEnvironment.sh?
03:28 <+perlDreamer> from /data/wre/sbin?
03:30 < daviddelikat> it won't start from wreconsole wither
03:30 < daviddelikat> either
03:30 < daviddelikat> I tried setenv... but it did not help
03:31 <+perlDreamer> did you do the setenvironment.sh thing?  it sets all the paths
03:31 <+perlDreamer> what's your path currently?
03:31 < daviddelikat> echo $PATH
03:31 < daviddelikat> /data/wre/prereqs/bin:/data/wre/prereqs/sbin:/data/wre/sbin:/data/wre/bin:/usr/kerberos/sbin:/usr/kerberos/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/data/tools:/root/bin
03:31 < daviddelikat> is that the path you wanted to see?
03:31 <+perlDreamer> yup
03:32 <+perlDreamer> and it looks right
03:32 < daviddelikat> I have to take a break and be a dad for a while
03:32 < daviddelikat> back later
03:32 <+perlDreamer> good luck :)
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04:54 < daviddelikat> perlDreamer: you around?
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07:04 < elnino> where can I find start up scripts?
07:05 < elnino> nevermind. found them
07:58 < CIA-15> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r4d73d6b / docs/create.sql : Preparing for 7.7.27 release. - http://bit.ly/7zL7T9
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08:33 <+perlDreamer> SynQ, are you really awake?
08:37 <+perlDreamer> SynQ: there may be a perl level bug with UTF-8 and non-latin characters
08:37 <+perlDreamer> there is a test for it, though
08:38 <+perlDreamer> so if t/Search.t fails, you'll know that you've hit it
09:13 < CIA-15> webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rc64911c / t/Asset/Wobject/EventManagementSystem.t : Update test for changes in core code. - http://bit.ly/6Vjams
09:31 < CIA-15> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.7 * r2df0f8a / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.7.28 development cycle. - http://bit.ly/6dAgMh
09:32 < SynQ> ah
09:32 < SynQ> thanks perlDreamer 
09:32 <+perlDreamer> you're welcome :)
09:33 <+perlDreamer> I really hope it isn't a central perl bug
09:33 <+perlDreamer> but I've come across it on Fedora Core 11, and Ubuntu 9.10
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12:42 < CIA-15> WebGUI: translation * r12415 /translations/German/German/WebGUI.pm: Updating German on translation server
12:42 < CIA-15> WebGUI: translation * r12416 /translations/German/German/ (Asset_EventManagementSystem.pm Asset_EMSSubmission.pm): Updating German on translation server
12:49 < CIA-15> wrebuild: Koen de Jonge master * ra124bb7 / (build.sh wre/docs/changelog.txt): left debug statement in build.sh - removed - http://bit.ly/8wQKtu
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13:00 < CIA-15> wrebuild: Koen de Jonge master * r66e8371 / build.sh : fixed another typo in the MySQL compile for Linux - http://bit.ly/6fk1Kh
13:04 < CIA-15> WebGUI: translation * r12417 /translations/German/German/Asset_EMSSubmissionForm.pm: Updating German on translation server
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14:16 < SquOnk> Morning
14:17 < SquOnk> About to upgrade the Debian package to 7.7.27
14:17 < SquOnk> There's a typo in docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt. It says perload.perl instead of preload.perl ;-)
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14:35 < CIA-15> wrebuild: Koen de Jonge master * r7436e90 / build.sh : libtool replacement in ImageMagick Makefile no longer needed. - http://bit.ly/7dHnVZ
14:35 < CIA-15> wrebuild: Koen de Jonge master * rcb81625 / build.sh : UNIVERSAL-can now uses Build.pl - http://bit.ly/625vBS
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14:44 < SquOnk> There's another thing that needs fixing.
14:44 < SquOnk> You cannot require Template::Toolkit in testEnvironment since there's no .pm named like that. There's a .pod holding documentation.
14:44 < SquOnk> However, you should be requiring Template
14:45 < SquOnk> I have a perfectly good installation of Template::Toolkit and testEnvironment is telling me I don't ;-)
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16:06 < SDuensin> Greetings.
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16:09 <+BartJol> morning
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17:14 < carogray> could WebGUI could have committed edits despite the fact that I did not commit the version tag?
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17:14 < carogray> I suspect I went on to the page to commit the version tag, change my mind at the last minute, but did not click 'save' on the commit the version tag page.
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17:15 < carogray> I thought of one more thing and backed out of it. So version tag is still uncommitted but the edits are now appearing live whilst I am logged out
17:15 < carogray> I cannot rollback the version tag since it is uncommitted. huh
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17:33 <+BartJol> carogray: did you empty all you caches?
17:34 < carogray> nope 
17:34 <+BartJol> does the version tag still appear in the admin bar?
17:34 < carogray> but changes should not be showing up in IE logged out
17:34 < carogray> when I am working in FF
17:34 < carogray> yes, version tag still appears in admin bar
17:35 <+BartJol> mm
17:35 <+BartJol> and you haven't been logged in in IE during editting?
17:35 < carogray> nope
17:35 <+BartJol> just for certainty
17:36 <+BartJol> strange
17:36 <+BartJol> there is an autocommit possibilty
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17:36 <+BartJol> but if it still appears
17:36 < carogray> oh weird!
17:37 <+BartJol> que?
17:37 < carogray> just cleared IE cache, but never edited in IE now it is displaying pre-edited version
17:37 <+BartJol> well, it is ok then, weird, but ok
17:37 < carogray> could ie have detected my FF login somehow/ I cleared IE cache and cache in Admin console in FF
17:38 < carogray> so strange, but it works now 
17:38 <+BartJol> maybe, it is strange though, I wouldn't have expected that
17:38 < carogray> this is exactly why I use IE to view
17:38 < carogray> FF to edit, IE to view
17:38 < carogray> oh well
17:39 < carogray> thanks for the suggestion
17:40 < carogray> oh now this is really weird!
17:40 <+BartJol> yeah, well standard webgui irc reactions: did you clear your cache and have you checked your logs and did you rtfm
17:40 < carogray> the early edits I made under the version tag which is as yet still uncommitted do not show, but the very last edit I made is showing up in IE!
17:40 <+BartJol> what?
17:40 < carogray> how weird is that?
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17:41 < carogray> ok I made some edits to a table and then changed some links... early this morning ~4ish.
17:42 < carogray> then later this morning ~9 I finally decided I was just about done and changed the date - a metadata field I have added - only a text field, to November 2009. It had been June 2009.
17:42 <+BartJol> well I'm strugging with a db vs uploadsdir problem
17:42 < carogray> Scrolling down the IE freshly cache cleansed, table is original one from June, however date is November
17:42 < carogray> bizarre
17:43 < carogray> back to your db vs. uploadsdir problem - don't mean to distract you...
17:43 <+BartJol> can be that the metadat isn't included in the version tag
17:43 <+BartJol> du nno exactly
17:43 < carogray> ja, hmm
17:43 < carogray> funny
17:44 < carogray> I  will just need to remember this for future.
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17:46 <+patspam> mornin'
17:47 <+BartJol> morning
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17:58 <+perlDreamer> morning, webgui folks
17:59 <+BartJol> yeah and why did you moved all my files in the uploads dir?
17:59 <+BartJol> put them back
17:59 <+BartJol> oh, morning Colin
18:01 <+BartJol> the first bug in the morning tasted the best he
18:01 <+perlDreamer> what happened?
18:02 <+BartJol> dunno
18:02 <+BartJol> storage locations in the db seem outdated
18:02 <+perlDreamer> 7.7 or 7.8?
18:02 <+BartJol> at least, they differ from files in the uploads dir
18:02 <+BartJol> 7.7.21
18:03 <+perlDreamer> let me guess, storageIds in the db are GUIDs
18:03 <+perlDreamer> but storage locations in the filesystem don't look like that, right?
18:04 <+BartJol> wait 1 minute, telephone
18:10 <+BartJol> perlDreamer:  they are longer
18:10 <+BartJol> 10 characters'
18:10 <+perlDreamer> yup, those are hexadecimal style GUIDs
18:10 <+perlDreamer> guaranteed to work on case-insensitive filesystems
18:11 <+perlDreamer> if you use the wgd, it can convert from GUID to hexId for you
18:11 <@Haarg> it's the same id, just encoded differently
18:12 <+BartJol> ok
18:15 <+BartJol> ah, and if I do not on that server?
18:17 <+BartJol> ah, and since I don't see capitals in them, that would be related, I suppose
18:18 < dionak> can someone point me to instructions to upgrade from 7.5 to 7.7? I know there's a version that I need to upgrade to as an intermediary step
18:18 < dionak> but I don't know the version number
18:19 <+perlDreamer> it's all in the gotchas file, dionak
18:19 <+perlDreamer> in general, upgrade to the latest in the series, then take the shunt upgrade to the next stable
18:19 < dionak> thanks, perlDreamer.
18:19 < dionak> k
18:19 < dionak> do you recall when we created the single page checkout?
18:20 <+perlDreamer> oh my goodness, it was last year sometime?
18:20 < dionak> yes
18:20 < dionak> there was a method in core that changed, that I think you mentioned, that we'll need to address
18:20 < dionak> it was late in the evening when you mentioned it
18:20 < dionak> just thought i'd check to see if that rang a bell
18:21 <+perlDreamer> it does
18:21 < dionak> do you recall what method it might have been? 
18:21 <+perlDreamer> I believe it is email notifications
18:21 <+perlDreamer> they were moved from the payment drivers, into the transaction
18:21 < dionak> ok, thanks. i'll keep that in mind during the upgrade/maintenance work.
18:21 <+perlDreamer> there was an issue about shop credit
18:21 <+perlDreamer> because it could cause the value of the cart to be 0
18:22 <+perlDreamer> that short circuited email  notifications, since no driver would accept 0 for a checkout value
18:22 < dionak> makes sense
18:22 <+perlDreamer> so, by moving email notifications into the transaction, it guaranteed that an email is always sent
18:23 < dionak> k, thanks. that's helpful
18:23 < dionak> btw, how's your macro test project going?
18:23 <+perlDreamer> pretty good
18:23 <+perlDreamer> I have two people working with me
18:23 <+perlDreamer> we do a few tests per week
18:23 <+perlDreamer> I'm really encouraged by it
18:23 <+perlDreamer> and the positive use of karma
18:24 < dionak> yes, i agree that it's a great use of karma. 
18:24 <+perlDreamer> okay, git question for the room.  I have an uncommited cherry-pick with lots of conflicts
18:24 <+perlDreamer> I resolve all the conflicts, now I want to see a diff of all the work
18:24 <+perlDreamer> git diff says NOTHING
18:25 <+perlDreamer> git status says that there are changes to be committed
18:26 <@Haarg> git diff --cached
18:28 <+perlDreamer> thanks, Haarg!
18:30 <+BartJol> mm, tests fail while installing
18:30 < dionak> does the upgrade process happen sequentially? 
18:30 <+BartJol> wgdev\
18:31 < dionak> in other words, when i upgrade from 7.5.40 to the latest using the webguiupdate.pl script is there anything needed from me manually to address comments like "You must upgrade to WebGUI 7.7.2 before going to this version." & "You must upgrade to WebGUI 7.7.3 before going to this version."
18:32 < dionak> etc..
18:32 < CIA-15> webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.6 * r523305f / (4 files in 4 dirs): Fix security issues with the search screen in the Asset Manager. Fixes bug #11272. - http://bit.ly/7lUl3N
18:32 <@Haarg> unfortunately, webguiupdate.pl doesn't handle that
18:32 <@Haarg> upgrades from 7.5.40 have to be done manually
18:32 < dionak> k, thanks. 
18:33 < dionak> even thought it's 4 or so upgrades, knowing that saves me time. ;)
18:33 <@Haarg> the early 7.7 upgrades where it notes stop versions you don't need to pay attention to.  that's probably something we should make more clear in the gotchas.
18:34 <+perlDreamer> At one point, I thought that cap10morgan proposed a way to help webguiupdate handle stop versions
18:34 <@Haarg> to upgrade from 7.5.40 to the latest stable, you first upgrade to the last 7.6 release, then upgrade to the current 7.7 release
18:34 <@Haarg> only two steps
18:35 <+BartJol> ok how do I transform GUID to hexId now? so it operates on my db storageId's, not on the uploads dir?
18:35 < dionak> ah, ok. yes, that could be a little more clear. it reads differently to me.
18:35 < dionak> in the gotcha
18:35 <@Haarg> yeah
18:35 <+BartJol> sorry for not take the time to rtfm now
18:35 <+BartJol> I will do in the near future
18:35 <@Haarg> those notes are about the beta versions, and you skip over them when doing a normal upgrade
18:36 <@Haarg> i agree it should be more clear
18:42 <+BartJol> perlDreamer: sorry for bothering you, I see the guid command, but that merely generates those guids ad far as I can see
18:42 <+perlDreamer> maybe I didn't release that code, let me check
18:44 <+perlDreamer> BartJol, try the switch --toHex
18:44 <+perlDreamer> wgd guid --toHex someAssetId
18:44 <+BartJol> ah
18:44 <+BartJol> the wgd guid --heklp didn't give me that option
18:45 <+perlDreamer> bad, bad perlDreamer for not updating POD
18:45 <+BartJol> ah
18:45 <+BartJol> ok
18:45 <+BartJol> and how do I do that for every file except the ones that were already transformed
18:46 <+perlDreamer> WebGUI will happily work with both kinds of ids in the uploads directory
18:46 <+BartJol> ok
18:46 <+perlDreamer> there are some scripts in the Bazaar to convert them all over if you don't like the mixing
18:46 <+BartJol> as long as they are the same
18:48 <+BartJol> what happens if I don't give an assetId?
18:48 <+perlDreamer> wgd guid is only an informational tool
18:48 <+perlDreamer> it won't do anything that hurts
18:50 <+perlDreamer> although, I did see some code that emails all your passwords to an overseas account in Wisconsin in one of the wgd commands....
18:50 <+BartJol> :)
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19:23 <+perlDreamer> SynQ: if it isn't already in there, App::Nopaste is a very handy developer tool
19:23 <+perlDreamer> it requires the xclip script, though, for clipboard interface
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19:46 <+perlDreamer> any docs for setting up a memcached server?
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20:26 < dionak> wondering if any has run into this issue. During the upgrade process, I run the install for the lastest versions of Compress::Zlib and Params::Validate. The module install process reports success but when I print the module version and/or run the testEnvironment.pl script again, I notice the modules aren't upgraded. 
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20:31 <@preaction> yes, but it doesn't matter as webgui will work anyway
20:32 <+perlDreamer> are you sure the install went into the right perl library?  I'm always forgetting to set the WRE environment
20:32 < dionak> yes, i add that to my bashrc now so i don't forget
20:32 < dionak> and i triple checked 
20:32 < dionak> it looks like the build process of the params::validate doesn't copy the files over, from what i've seen
20:43 < CIA-15> webgui: Colin Kuskie asset-helpers * rda567e1 / (lib/WebGUI/Cache/Database.pm lib/WebGUI/Cache/FileCache.pm): Remove Database and FileCache modules. - http://bit.ly/8xiOZg
20:43 < CIA-15> webgui: Colin Kuskie asset-helpers * red8f2c4 / (lib/WebGUI/AssetHelper/Cut.pm t/AssetHelper/Cut.t): A few small tweaks, and a test. - http://bit.ly/5G7bE6
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21:16 < dionak> in the upgrade process, the table template_attachments is created in upgrade_7.7.5-7.7.6.pl and upgrade_7.6.35-7.7.17.pl. 
21:16 < dionak> the existence of this table causes the later script to fail
21:17 <+perlDreamer> if you upgrade to 7.7.17, it should skip 7.7.5-7.7.6?
21:17 < dionak> idk, i upgraded to 7.6.35 and then tried to upgrade to the latest version
21:18 <+perlDreamer> do you have the log from that last upgrade?
21:18 <+perlDreamer> not the webgui log, but the upgrade output?
21:19 < dionak> yes, it's still in memory
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21:19 <+perlDreamer> could you please check to see which scripts it run during the upgrade?
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21:20 < dionak> it doesn't appear to run the first script, so why would the table pre-exist?
21:20 < dionak> http://webgui.pastebin.com/m15192dda
21:20 < dionak> the base table message is in regards to views that were created
21:22 <+perlDreamer> that's the question, dionak
21:22 <+perlDreamer> this has been reported before, but no one has been able to duplicate it
21:22 < dionak> i have reverted back to 7.6.34 to restart the upgrade process, then i get this error
21:22 <+perlDreamer> does the table existin 7.6.34?
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21:23 < dionak> yes
21:24 < dionak> oh, wait. let me actually drop the table and see if it gets restored
21:25 < dionak> the first time i ran the upgrade, i received an error about packing snippets (just fyi)
21:26 < dionak> no, it didn't exist in 7.6.34. Because of the way the upgrade process handles sudden death, the table still existed
21:26 <+perlDreamer> so earlier, when you say you reverted, it was only a code revert?
21:26 <+perlDreamer> not the db as well?
21:27 < dionak> no, i restored the sql from the /tmp/backup directory for version 7.6.34 (no code reversions, just db). Because there is no drop table statement in that sql, the table still existed from a previously failed upgrade attempt.
21:29 <+perlDreamer> that makes perfect sense
21:29 < dionak> looks like i need to drop all the tables, then restore b/c i'm seeing another case of this with survey
21:29 <+perlDreamer> might be simpler to drop and recreate the whole db
21:30 < dionak> does mysql drop permissions as well when a db is dropped? i thought it did
21:30 < dionak> or, rather, i think it does
21:30 <@preaction> no, it doesn't
21:30 < dionak> handy
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21:33 < dionak> did the other person reporting the issue with template_attachment existing also report that a previous upgrade failed?
21:33 < dionak> it's likely they went through a similar scenario
21:35 <+perlDreamer> yes, it's very likely
21:35 <+perlDreamer> it sounds like we need an upgrading WebGUI wiki page
21:35 <+perlDreamer> with advice on how to handle failure
21:35 <+perlDreamer> because procedural differences like this are killer to try and duplicate
21:36 < dionak> yes, that sounds like a good idea. i'll look to see if a page exists and, if not, create one
21:38 <+perlDreamer> http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/upgrading
21:38 <+perlDreamer> took me a while to find it, because it doesn't word stem, and I was searching for upgrade
21:38 < dionak> ditto
21:39 < dionak> tks
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21:39 < dionak> ok, now i'm back to the original error "Pre-packing all snippets, this may take a while...Backslash found where operator expected at (eval 16690) line 1,"
21:40 < dionak> "Reverting use packed... Warning: something's wrong at upgrade.pl line 252."
21:40 <+perlDreamer> the 2nd warning is indicative of a broken asset
21:40 <+perlDreamer> where the assetId, revisionDate do not exist in all the right tables
21:40 <+perlDreamer> the assetId should be logged in webgui.log
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21:52 <+perlDreamer> dionak: Wait!
21:52 <+perlDreamer> stop!
21:52 <+perlDreamer> You need to talk with William about packing javascript, and Jquery
21:52 <+perlDreamer> he found a bug in the module that we use to do that
21:52 <+perlDreamer> and the fix isn't released yet
21:52 < dionak> oh, he's on sales calls
21:52 <+perlDreamer> it could be causing the problem that you're seeing now
21:53 < dionak> ok, great to know. i'll ping him.
21:53 <+perlDreamer> sorry about not remembering that sooner
21:53 <+perlDreamer> could have saved you some headaches
21:53 < dionak> np. glad you remembered now :)
21:54 < dionak> i'm seeing 4 messages where update is trying to update fields that don't exist "update() tried to set field named 'usePackedHeadTags' which doesn't exist in table 'assetData'"
21:54 < dionak> e.g.
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22:59 < ckotil> dionak: during the upgrade from 7.6.32-7.6.33?
22:59 < ckotil> ah, nevermind :x
23:00 < ckotil> no wait, that has to be where you see that. cuz i see it to line 252, bleh bleh
23:17 < dionak> i see it when running the 7.6.35-7.7.17 upgrade. 
23:21  * ckotil hrms
23:22 < ckotil> maybe its from 7.7.5-7.7.6 then?
23:22 < ckotil> either way, the only solution ive found so far is to commit all open version tags
23:23 < dionak> i've discovered a data integrity issue that i suspect is the ultimate culprit
23:23 < dionak> i'm looking into that now
23:23 < ckotil> ok, im pretty sure its the 7.7.5-7.7.5 bc the issue i had with 7.6.32-7.6.33 had to do with the userProfile table
23:23 < ckotil> nice.
23:23 < dionak> what was the issue? were you missing columns?
23:23 < ckotil> i was hitting a limit in mysql
23:23 < dionak> what kind of limit?
23:24 < ckotil> my table was innodb
23:24 < ckotil> Root cause: Can't create table './globalnoc_iu_edu/#sql-6ac_143e.frm' (errno: 139)
23:25 < ckotil> the old errno: 139 google has a lot of info on it. its a known limitation w/ mysql innodb
23:25 < ckotil> i set the table to myisam and it that fixed it
23:32 < ckotil> good luck with that bug. im heading home. Happy Thanksgiving
23:32 < dionak> thanks, you too
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00:16 <+perlDreamer> dionak, did you locate the problem?
00:20 < dionak> not yet
00:20 < dionak> the packing is a non-issue for us
00:21 < dionak> i've pulled down production and decided to start from scratch to ensure the data matches what is in production. 
00:22 < dionak> once i get this back up to 7.6.32, i'm going to stop there and evaluate if I need to go up any higher
00:32 < dionak> woohoo! hey there 7.6.35...you're a sight for sore eyes
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00:39 <+perlDreamer> dionak, don't forget the security update
00:39 < dionak> ?
00:39 < dionak> where is that?
00:39 <+perlDreamer> http://www.webgui.org/download/advisories/security-failure-to-check-privileges-in-asset-manager-search#cGfk8Yw9h3WqbA7TniiQgA
00:39 < dionak> i never saw a further update on that
00:39 < dionak> thanks
00:44 < dionak> happy holidays...i'm heading out
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00:46 < hudsong> Hi, we're using WebGUI at my company to build out some content management systems that we host. Does anybody have an idea of what kind of performance issues there could be when hosting large number of instances/sites on the same stack?
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00:53 <@preaction> hudsong: what do you mean by "large number"? we have servers with 60 sites on them
00:53 <@preaction> that's where it starts getting tricky with Spectre, you have to make spectre work faster without DoS the server
00:53 < hudsong> 60 would be large
00:53 < hudsong> by our count
00:54 <@preaction> also, we don't exactly have huge, top-of-the-line servers
00:54 <@preaction> they're just 4-core 2.4Ghz 4GB systems
00:54 < hudsong> How many connections do you think you are getting across all of the 60 sites?
00:54 <@preaction> RAM being probably our biggest bottleneck
00:54 <@preaction> if MySQL has more RAM, it's a lot more efficient
00:55 <@preaction> it's even more efficient if you put Mysql on another server, and even more efficient if you get a multi-master setup with WebGUI's dbSlave configuration
00:55 < hudsong> We have a dedicated server for the project with about 10GB Ram available right now quad core so I think that should handle the sites
00:56 <@preaction> the point being that there are ways WebGUI uses to scale, and we don't need to use them on that server yet
00:56 < hudsong> That was my next question is how possible it will be to scale later
00:56 <@preaction> just be careful about backups, MySQL does evil things (it has to lock the entire table to pull a backup)
00:56 < hudsong> I think that answers my question, thanks.
00:57 < hudsong> We will want to be doing a backup every night. I  suppose that will shut down the site for the time it takes to do the backup?
00:57 <@preaction> no, it'll just be down for writing
00:57 <@preaction> and it only takes a few minutes to pull the dump (unless the site is huge)
00:57 < hudsong> Each site will not be that huge.
00:57 <@preaction> so it'll be in a read-only mode for a few minutes
00:58 <@preaction> yeah, the site i'm talking about that has backup problems has over a half-million assets and 60,000 registered users
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00:58 < hudsong> That's a long way off for us
00:58 <@preaction> so you should be fine ;)
00:58 < hudsong> Thanks
00:58 < hudsong> Actually, one more quick question
00:59 < hudsong> Do you know off the top of your head a quick way to clone a site?
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00:59 <@preaction> you using the WRE?
00:59 <@preaction> either way the process is the same: make a new, blank site. then copy the database and uploads folder from the other site
01:00 < hudsong> No, unfortunately. A contractor originally built out the site although we are planning on upgrading our version of WebGUI and moving to the WRE in 2010
01:00 < hudsong> We are just under a time crunch here and have to work with what we have.
01:00 <@preaction> something as simple as: mysqldump www_old_com | mysql www_new_com; cp -R /old/uploads /new
01:01 < hudsong> Do we also have to clone the etc/old_site.cnf and domains folder as well?
01:01 < hudsong> Or does cloning the database take care of the domain?
01:01 <@preaction> that's the uploads folder, the one in /data/domains/<sitename>/public/uploads
01:02 <@preaction> but the conf file, no. you might have to do some cherry-picking to get the stuff you need though
01:02 <@preaction> but the conf file keeps track of the database name and user/pass, so you don't want to lose that info
01:02 < hudsong> I see. Thanks for your help.
01:02 <@preaction> if you didn't change the old conf file, you shouldn't have to change the new conf file
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01:22 <+perlDreamer> preaction, how do you envision commit with comments working with the new Admin Console?
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01:26 <@preaction> that hasn't been envisioned yet, there are issues with it
01:26 <+perlDreamer> I'm seeing big issues with VersionTag.pm
01:26 <@preaction> i would like a simple pop-up box, but i don't think that'll fly
01:26 <@preaction> yeah
01:26 <+perlDreamer> I'm going to work around it for now, and set the expected behavior with tests.
01:29 <+perlDreamer> there's no way in WebGUI to clear out a redirect after it's been set
01:31 <+perlDreamer> in that case, I'm not going to work around it
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02:02 <+perlDreamer> the best thing about Asset Helpers is that they make www_ methods testable through the API, instead of the UI
02:03 < vayde_> say, is there a way to globally change the color pallette?
02:03 < vayde_> the one I selected at startup is unreadable on some screens
02:07 < vayde_> or, failing that, re-run the initial setup?
02:08 <@preaction> not really, no
02:08 <@preaction> you could edit the stylesheet manually
02:08 <@preaction> but that's about it
02:09 < vayde_> well, good to know I wasn't just spacing it
02:09 < vayde_> thanks
02:09 <@preaction> i want to rewrite that wizard so it can be used later (call it the "Home Page Wizard"), but that's really low on the priority list
02:09 < vayde_> yeah, I hear you.
02:11 < vayde_> this is humorous, spectre was getting flagged as an attack by mod_security, and was being blocked
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02:12 <@preaction> yeah, that will happen
02:12 <@preaction> and be careful with mod_security, it's really really really really slow
02:13 < vayde_> yeah, but it takes alot of the sting out of PCI compliance
02:13 < vayde_> my usage of it at home is more of a laboratory
02:13 <@preaction> ah
02:13 <@preaction> that's why i like not doing direct CC processing, make someone else worry about PCI
02:14 < vayde_> right, but I work for a bank.... I am the 'someone else'
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02:26 <+perlDreamer> Happy Thanksgiving, patspam
02:27 <+patspam> thanks perlDreamer!
02:27 <+perlDreamer> find a nice house?
02:27 <+patspam> we did an early one on the weekend
02:27 <+patspam> been eating leftovers ever since
02:27 <+perlDreamer> cool
02:27 <+patspam> going in to Brooklyn on Friday to visit 6+ houses
02:27 <+perlDreamer> wow
02:27 <+perlDreamer> taking the train?
02:28 <+patspam> yeah
02:28 <+patspam> 2+hr commute, sucks!
02:28 <+perlDreamer> Could I ask you to take a few cell phone pictures of the train?
02:28 <+patspam> heh for sure
02:28 <+patspam> the Long Island Rail Road
02:28 <+perlDreamer> the kids would appreciate that very much :)
02:45 < CIA-15> webgui: Colin Kuskie asset-helpers * r7298af4 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Copy Asset Helper (self only). - http://bit.ly/6HXqhq
02:45 < CIA-15> webgui: Colin Kuskie asset-helpers * r0b124f2 / (lib/WebGUI/AssetHelper/Copy.pm t/AssetHelper/Copy.t): Finish Copy (self) Helper. - http://bit.ly/6rY900
02:47 <+perlDreamer> you know, if Padre did HTML syntax highlighting, then along with the WGD integration it could become the foremost tool for working on WebGUI
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15:33 <+BartJol> mmm interpunction
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