--- Log opened Wed Apr 01 00:00:58 2009 00:18 <+perlDreamer> perlmonkey2: You've just been nominated to start the javascript debugging page on the wiki 00:19 <+perlmonkey2> hah 00:20 <+perlmonkey2> it would be, in totality, use firebug's stepper and put in a ton of trace statements for the console. 00:22 < daviddelikat> good advice 00:25 < CIA-38> WebGUI: brian * r10097 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.6.18 release 00:26 < SDuensin> perlmonkey2 - Give this one a try, too: http://www.billyreisinger.com/jash/download.html 00:30 <+perlmonkey2> ah, cool, thanks SDuensin 00:30 -!- plainhao [n=plainhao@mail.xbiotica.com] has quit [] 00:30 <+perlmonkey2> very sweet 00:36 < elnino> for those of you who have old servers laying around, may this be of encouragement to you (or a place to donate your machines) I thought this was cool. http://www.extremelinux.info/stonesoup/ 00:44 -!- tavisto [n=tavisto@pool-98-108-73-152.gdrpmi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #WebGUI 00:44 -!- mode/#webgui [+o tavisto] by ChanServ 00:57 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, you are eloquent and tactful. 00:58 <@Haarg> thanks 00:59 <+perlDreamer> When rizen becomes president, you'd better be Secretary of State 01:01 -!- patspam [n=patspam@ppp221-151.static.internode.on.net] has joined #webgui 01:01 -!- mode/#webgui [+v patspam] by ChanServ 01:01 <@Haarg> heh 01:03 <+perlmonkey2> patspam: congrats on TPBW 01:04 <+patspam> perlmonkey2: thanks man 01:04 <+patspam> kinda strange seeing your own face on the site every time you load it up 01:05 <+perlmonkey2> heh 01:08 <+patspam> http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2009/03/31/breaking-internet-explorer-81-eagle-eyes-leaked/ 01:09 < CIA-38> WebGUI: translation * r10098 /translations/German/German/Asset_Event.pm: Update from translation server 01:09 < CIA-38> WebGUI: translation * r10099 /translations/German/German/Asset_EventManagementSystem.pm: Update from translation server 01:09 < CIA-38> WebGUI: graham * r10100 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed #10056: YUI javascripts included while adminOff (BNC) 01:10 <+perlDreamer> man, seems like every time I talk about i18n in IRC that we get a bunch of commits 01:10 <+perlDreamer> I'll have to do that more often :) 01:10 <+perlDreamer> patspam, the Spanish translation is about to overtake Arabic 01:10 <+perlDreamer> which will make the top 3 Dutch, German, and Spanish 01:10 <+patspam> we need a leaders board 01:11 <+perlDreamer> it would be nice to have a DataTable in there, so it can be sorted 01:11 <+perlDreamer> and then some graphing to track progress over time 01:11 <+perlmonkey2> we need to get the Arabic translators and the Spanish translators into a competition. 01:11 <@Haarg> i need to get back on the translation project 01:11 <+perlDreamer> it's no competition, perlmonkey2 01:12 <+perlDreamer> the Arabic team haven't done anything in years 01:12 <@Haarg> add a bit more motivation for it 01:12 <+perlDreamer> how would you do that, Haarg? 01:12 <@Haarg> karma 01:12 <+perlmonkey2> free swag for the top advanced and most translated? 01:12 <@Haarg> well, karma can get you swag 01:13 <+perlDreamer> the i18n would have to be a 1st class Asset then 01:13 <+perlDreamer> but... 01:13 <+perlDreamer> we could also track who makes changes from here on out 01:13 <+perlDreamer> which would be very nice 01:13 <+perlmonkey2> bart would really love that. 01:13 <+perlDreamer> especially in light of the recent Polish translation scandal 01:14 <+patspam> Polish translation scandal? 01:14 <+perlmonkey2> eh? another i18n scandal? What happened? 01:14 <+perlmonkey2> naughty words slipped in? 01:14 <+perlDreamer> well, the word on the street is that someone came in and did a bunch of bad translation work 01:14 <+perlDreamer> they had to restore from SVN 01:15 <@Haarg> the plan is to make i18n an asset, have it use git for storage, and have the commits record the author 01:15 <+perlmonkey2> Nie b?d? pisa? naughty i18n s??w w t?umaczeniu. 01:15 <+perlDreamer> which is another reason for WWN 01:18 <@Haarg> if i do it correctly, it won't even need to have the modules on disk. that depends on it being fast enough of course. 01:21 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@145.94.200.248] has left #webgui [] 01:24 <+perlDreamer> seems like doing the summary calculations across all the languages and namespaces would take a lot of memory 01:26 <@Haarg> there would need to be a cache for something like that certainly 01:26 <@Haarg> but i don't think it would be significantly worse to calculate than if the files were there 01:28 <+perlDreamer> probably not 01:28 <+perlDreamer> just the overhead of the protocol 01:28 <+perlDreamer> and, wouldn't there need to be some kind of notification if github went down? 01:29 <@Haarg> well, it won't be going to a remote repo directly 01:29 <@Haarg> there would still be a local repo 01:29 <@Haarg> it just wouldn't havea checkout 01:31 <+perlDreamer> that's true 01:34 <@Haarg> i was somewhat demotivated on the whole thing since i couldn't think of a good resolution to the context problem 01:35 -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-209-184.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:35 -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-209-184.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has joined #webgui 01:35 -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ 01:55 < CIA-38> WebGUI: brian * r10101 /releases/WebGUI_7.6.18-stable: Release 7.6.18-stable 02:03 <+perlDreamer> good job, bpmedley 02:03 <+perlDreamer> WG releases are not an easy task 02:03 <@bpmedley> Thx.. 02:03 <+perlDreamer> were there any test hiccups? 02:03 <@bpmedley> Graham helped quite a bit.. 02:04 <@bpmedley> A few.. 02:04 <+perlDreamer> anything that I need to watch out for? 02:04 <@bpmedley> I initially didn't check the 7.6.18 update in 02:04 <@bpmedley> Not that I know of.. 02:05 <@bpmedley> Matrix upgrades take a bit of time 02:05 <+perlDreamer> yeah, so does the i18n scanner 02:14 -!- s4eek [n=charles@andc-fw1.exploreos.com] has quit [] 02:16 -!- Haarg [n=haarg@76.210.61.179] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 02:25 <+perlDreamer> okay, question for the group at large 02:25 <+perlDreamer> at last year's WUC I did the Common WebGUI Programming Mistakes talk 02:26 <+perlDreamer> this year there will not be a repeat 02:26 <+perlDreamer> would people be interested in me blogging things as I find them, or should I save them for WUC 2010, in Melbourne? 02:30 < CIA-38> WebGUI: brian * r10102 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (4 files in 4 dirs): preparing for 7.6.19 dev 02:40 <+patspam> perlDreamer: blog em! 02:40 <+patspam> we need more wg blog entries outsite of webgui.org and plainblack.com 02:44 <+perlDreamer> do you blog, patspam? 02:44 <+perlDreamer> of course, I'll have to come up with something new for the 2010 WUC then... 02:45 <+patspam> infrequently.. at patspam.com 02:50 <@preaction> WORDPRESS? 02:50 <+perlDreamer> hey, it's still perl 02:50 <@preaction> ... 02:50 <+perlDreamer> and WebGUI's blogging tools are not first rate 02:50 <+perlDreamer> no trackbacks 02:50 <+perlDreamer> no openId 02:51 <@preaction> fine then. 03:02 <+perlDreamer> bpmedley, are we cleared for 7.6.19 dev? 03:02 <+perlDreamer> iow, is it safe to commit to the 7.6 branch? 03:03 <@preaction> why would you ever want to commit to that branch? 03:03 <@preaction> the 7.7 branch is where it's AT! 03:03 <+perlDreamer> well, bug fixes and stuff 03:03 <+perlDreamer> POD docs 03:03 <+perlDreamer> new tests 03:03 <@preaction> lame 03:03 <+perlDreamer> I know, but maintenance is what I do best 03:03 <@preaction> can't we just spray an industrial-sized can of RAID in that thing? 03:05 < CIA-38> WebGUI: colin * r10103 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/SQLReport.pm: Remove a hard coded extra in SQLReport 03:06 <+patspam> Parse errors: Bad plan. You planned 21 tests but ran 10637. 03:07 <+perlDreamer> 10637 tests. That's impressive patspam 03:08 <+patspam> heh, not really but it sounds cool 03:08 <+patspam> i used wgd to dump a list of survey questions, answers, and expected branch targets to a file, and then generate tests from the file 03:09 <+perlDreamer> oh, well from there you should be able to calculate a plan then 03:10 <+perlDreamer> which won't give you that annoying 255 return code 03:22 -!- tavisto [n=tavisto@pool-98-108-73-152.gdrpmi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [] 03:23 -!- tavisto [n=tavisto@pool-98-108-73-152.gdrpmi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #WebGUI 03:23 -!- mode/#webgui [+o tavisto] by ChanServ 03:36 < CIA-38> WebGUI: colin * r10104 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/SQLReport.pm: backport a fix for a hardcoded extras in SQLReport 03:36 < CIA-38> WebGUI: colin * r10105 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Shop/Vendor.pm: Remove hardcoded extras in Shop/Vendor.pm, also an i18n fix. 03:43 <@preaction> and once again i get to hate google maps api... 03:43 <@preaction> there is no non-obfuscated code to debug with 03:43 <@preaction> so "this.Xa" is completely useless to me to debug... 03:49 <+perlDreamer> I know what "this" is, finally! 03:51 <+perlDreamer> now, if only I knew what to do with one 03:53 <@preaction> http://webgui.pastebin.com/m7daa4bb2 this is the code i'm working with 03:53 <@preaction> no matter what, the highlighted part always uses the last marker 03:54 <@preaction> so instead of "marker" in line 31 being the marker is was created with, the marker ends up being the last marker added to the map 03:54 <@preaction> is this because the evaluation of the anon function is deferred? 03:57 <+perlDreamer> oh! 03:57 <+perlDreamer> I know this one 03:58 <+perlDreamer> it's due to the way it binds variables 03:58 <@preaction> http://trephine.org/t/index.php?title=JavaScript_loop_closures <- yeah, i found it too 03:58 <@preaction> it doesn't get a snapshot 03:58 <+perlDreamer> right, like it would in perl 03:58 <+perlDreamer> it's by reference 03:58 <@preaction> yeah 03:58 <@preaction> but i can force a snapshot using closures 03:58 <+perlDreamer> yes 04:01 <@preaction> I would like to know why the yahoo event handler auatomatically fixes this 04:01 <@preaction> why and/or how 04:06 <@preaction> or maybe it's because I use Yahoo's ability to pass an arbitrary object in 04:13 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Radix@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 04:13 -!- mode/#webgui [+v Radix-wrk] by ChanServ 04:34 <@preaction> does anyone have any ideas how i should make the File upload control work with an ajax-grabbed form? 04:34 <@preaction> or rather, work without javascript 04:34 <@preaction> since it amounts to the same thing 04:44 -!- tavisto [n=tavisto@pool-98-108-73-152.gdrpmi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [] 04:54 -!- Haarg [n=haarg@24-240-43-138.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui 04:54 -!- mode/#webgui [+o Haarg] by ChanServ 05:03 -!- carogray [n=Caroline@c-76-24-169-61.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:10 <+perlmonkey2> ping 05:19 <@preaction> pong 05:23 <+perlDreamer> pang 05:24 <+perlDreamer> hm, seems like Spectre has been hung up for a while 06:03 < CIA-38> WebGUI: daviddelikat * r10106 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): 06:03 < CIA-38> WebGUI: fixed AdSku 06:03 < CIA-38> WebGUI: added 'thanks' text after ad to cart 06:03 < CIA-38> WebGUI: cleaned up i18n text 06:03 < CIA-38> WebGUI: moved shop fields to shop tab 06:03 < CIA-38> WebGUI: added AdSku Asset to WebGUI original config file 06:05 <+perlDreamer> good work, daviddelikat 06:05 < daviddelikat> seems like its ready... 06:08 -!- tavisto [n=tavisto@pool-98-108-73-152.gdrpmi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #WebGUI 06:08 -!- mode/#webgui [+o tavisto] by ChanServ 06:11 -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-209-184.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:27 < CIA-38> WebGUI: colin * r10107 /WebGUI/t/User.t: Coverage tests for various User methods. 06:27 < CIA-38> WebGUI: colin * r10108 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/User.pm: Add POD to bring POD coverage up to 100% 07:00 < CIA-38> WebGUI: colin * r10109 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Keyword.pm: POD for Keyword module to bring it to 100% coverage. 07:00 < CIA-38> WebGUI: colin * r10110 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Utility.pm: Fix a POD typo. 07:00 < CIA-38> WebGUI: colin * r10111 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Account.pm Account/Friends.pm): Fix typos in POD that prevent 100% POD coverage. 07:00 < CIA-38> WebGUI: colin * r10112 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Cache/FileCache.pm Content/SiteIndex.pm Form/Captcha.pm): Add POD and fix typos to get POD coverage up 07:03 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@adsl-76-213-115-178.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:07 -!- diakopter [n=M8YCjC56@209.9.237.164] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:08 -!- diakopter [n=M8YCjC56@209.9.237.164] has joined #webgui 07:16 -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-209-184.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has joined #webgui 07:16 -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ 07:17 <+perlDreamer> whole lot of POD'ing going on 07:17 <+perlDreamer> I think I fixed over a dozen modules tonight 07:24 <@preaction> nice 07:30 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, bpmedley: http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/running-tests 07:32 < CIA-38> WebGUI: colin * r10113 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Fix POD typos and add POD to get to 100% POD coverage. 07:38 <+perlDreamer> preaction, you still awake? 07:38 <@preaction> yessuh massa 07:38 <+perlDreamer> can you look at Asset/Redirect.pm, www_edit and tell me if you can see why its subclassed? 07:40 <@preaction> i can't see why, no 07:40 <+perlDreamer> given the option of writing POD for a duplicate method, or pruning the method... 07:40 <+perlDreamer> I'd rather prune it 07:40 <@preaction> i say prune it 07:42 <@preaction> so, heh, i get to fake a file upload control enough so webgui processes it automatically 07:43 <@preaction> and hopefully later i can go back to rewrite the file upload control to be awesome 07:44 < elnino> perlDreamer, preaction - just thowing this out there, I didn't look at the code, but I did request the ability to have a redirect return a 301 or a 302. perhaps a reason why it's subclassed? I don't know. I'm going to sleep now. 07:44 <@preaction> nope. www_edit doesn't redirect 07:44 <@preaction> but enjoy sleep 07:45 <+perlDreamer> 34 modules on the wall 07:45 <+perlDreamer> 34 modules on the wall 07:45 <+perlDreamer> take one down 07:46 <+perlDreamer> POD it around 07:46 <+perlDreamer> 33 modules on the wall 07:49 < elnino> perlDreamer needs sleep me thinks 07:49 <+perlDreamer> 'tis true 07:54 <+perlDreamer> okay, after Airwolf gets over I'll log off and go to bed. 07:55 <+perlDreamer> I can't leave String in the middle of a mission 07:55 <+perlDreamer> I'm his wingman 07:55 < elnino> I used to love that show! we found it on hulu or something.. ok. I'm going.. bye! 07:55 <@preaction> who's string? 07:55 <@preaction> who's airwolf? 07:55 <@preaction> wtf is this? 07:56 <+perlDreamer> http://en.wikipedia.com/Airwolf 07:56 <+perlDreamer> http://www.hulu.com/airwolf 07:57 <+perlDreamer> http://en.wikipedia.com/wiki/Airwolf works better :) 07:57 <@preaction> ooh nice, Donald Bellisario 07:58 <+perlDreamer> between Knight Rider, Magnum P.I. and Airwolf he did pretty well in the 80's 07:58 -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-209-184.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has quit ["good night"] 07:59 <@preaction> Quantum Leap was awesome in the 90's 07:59 <@preaction> and JAG and NCIS are pretty decent 08:00 < CIA-38> WebGUI: colin * r10114 /WebGUI/t/POD.t: 08:00 < CIA-38> WebGUI: Add more configuration to the POD coverage test. POD_COVERAGE==2 will check against 100% 08:00 < CIA-38> WebGUI: coverage and emit a list of modules that POD to be covered. 08:00 < CIA-38> WebGUI: colin * r10115 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Redirect.pm: Remove www_edit. It's the same as Asset's. 08:00 < CIA-38> WebGUI: colin * r10116 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/RichEdit.pm: Add missing POD to bring RichEdit up to 100% POD. 08:00 < CIA-38> WebGUI: colin * r10117 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Snippet.pm: 08:00 < CIA-38> WebGUI: Remove another duplicate www_edit method. 08:00 < CIA-38> WebGUI: Add missing POD. 08:06 <@preaction> Did you know? Tom Selleck could have played Indian Jones in Raiders of the Lost Ark? 08:38 <@preaction> Did you know? WebGUI::Storage also deletes thumbnails just like WebGUI::Storage::Image does! 08:38 <@preaction> but it doesn't create them! weird!! 09:10 -!- tavisto [n=tavisto@pool-98-108-73-152.gdrpmi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [] 09:20 <+Radix-wrk> http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/squeez-bacon.html 09:31 -!- LTR_bob [n=bob@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui 09:54 -!- patspam [n=patspam@ppp221-151.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:03 -!- BartJol [n=plainstu@host2.procolix.com] has joined #webgui 11:03 -!- mode/#webgui [+v BartJol] by ChanServ 12:04 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Radix@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] 13:01 -!- carogray [n=Caroline@c-76-24-169-61.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 14:13 -!- ryuu_ro [n=rory@gw.oqapi.nl] has joined #webgui --- Log closed Wed Apr 01 15:08:53 2009 --- Log opened Wed Apr 01 15:09:22 2009 15:09 -!- xdanger [i=xdanger@217.112.244.70] has joined #webgui 15:09 -!- Irssi: #webgui: Total of 27 nicks [7 ops, 0 halfops, 2 voices, 18 normal] 15:09 -!- Irssi: Join to #webgui was synced in 3 secs 15:39 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@gw.oqapi.nl] has joined #webgui 15:39 -!- mode/#webgui [+v MrHairgrease] by ChanServ 15:58 -!- plainhao [n=plainhao@208.75.85.237] has joined #webgui 15:58 -!- mode/#webgui [+o plainhao] by ChanServ 15:59 -!- David_ [n=David@130.156.38.11] has quit [] 16:02 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@adsl-70-137-29-29.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net] has joined #webgui 16:02 -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlmonkey2] by ChanServ 16:10 -!- jdanpl [n=jdanpl@main.telvinet.pl] has joined #webgui 16:26 <+perlmonkey2> I just read on a PHP message board that JT is starting a new project to move wG to PHP. 16:28 <+BartJol> april fool 16:30 <+BartJol> oh sorry: really perlmonkey2? that seems outragious! 16:30 <+perlmonkey2> Ah, just saw an update. He says it would be easier to get the same effect as PHP by placing random sleep statements in the code, pulling out all the param sanitizing, and having all errors throw either the database error, the database dsn, or send back the actual database file. 16:32 < CIA-38> WebGUI: translation * r10118 /translations/Polish/Polish/ (33 files): Update from translation server 16:34 <+MrHairgrease> perlmonke2: url? 16:34 <+MrHairgrease> and why are you reading php message boards 16:34 <+MrHairgrease> or is that the joke? 16:35 <+perlmonkey2> it is a joke 16:35 <+perlmonkey2> This is April 1st, April Fool's Day. 16:35 * BartJol thinks kaleb tries to secretly reprogram WebGUI to php and will be killed by JT for that 16:36 <+BartJol> slow suicide 16:36 <+perlmonkey2> What would python get me? 16:37 <+BartJol> well it will strangle you 16:37 <+perlmonkey2> Did you read about that US governor's website that was erroring and actually posting the database files for anyone to download? 16:37 <+perlmonkey2> PHP of course. 16:38 <+BartJol> no, but it's very hard to take you seriously today 16:38 <+BartJol> or conficker of course 16:39 <+perlmonkey2> heh 16:39 <+perlmonkey2> no, that one is true. 16:40 <+BartJol> it hasn't bothered me yet, and I do have the redmond virus installed 16:40 <+perlmonkey2> Wait, I think it is a Senate seat actually that is still being contested from the last election. One of their websites exposed all the contributors, supports, basically everything in the DB files. 16:41 <+perlmonkey2> BartJol: and you survived conficker? I thought it was going to cause MS computers to grow legs and arms and start destroying humanity? 16:41 <+BartJol> we all did, a matter of a good network and virus scanner setup 16:42 <+BartJol> apparently ours is pretty good 16:42 <+BartJol> but who would expect differntly 16:50 -!- Haarg [n=haarg@24-240-43-138.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 16:52 <+perlmonkey2> Mmmmm, baked an apple pie on Monday, now I have breakfast for the rest of the week....yum. 16:54 <+BartJol> I'd like a piece please 16:54 <+perlmonkey2> Should I zip it up or fax it? Or send if fedex? 16:55 <+BartJol> a tar ball please 16:55 <+perlmonkey2> I wonder how long a styrofoam container and dry ice would last :P 16:59 -!- ryuu_ro [n=rory@gw.oqapi.nl] has quit [] 17:01 <+BartJol> perlmonkey2: did you hack JT's account? 17:02 <+perlmonkey2> BartJol: what would make you think that? 17:02 <+BartJol> the last black blog entry 17:04 <+BartJol> do you have a testament? 17:06 <+perlmonkey2> That is AWESOME 17:09 -!- tavisto [n=tavisto@pool-98-108-73-152.gdrpmi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #WebGUI 17:09 -!- mode/#webgui [+o tavisto] by ChanServ 17:09 -!- rizen [n=rizen@h69-128-55-18.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net] has joined #webgui 17:09 -!- mode/#webgui [+o rizen] by ChanServ 17:12 <+BartJol> so, who will be killed ritually? 17:13 <+Radix_> WebGUI in PHP.. haven't I seen that before.. like.. every year 17:13 <+BartJol> yes 17:14 <+Radix_> You need a new one JT.. like webgui is partnering with oracle and will be written in PL/SQL or something 17:15 <+Radix_> or will be bootstrapped in javascript 17:16 <@rizen> i didn't ever write that one before 17:16 <@rizen> in fact, i'm pretty sure the only one i've ever written was he one about microsoft buying out plain black 17:17 <+Radix_> I've definitely heard the webgui rewritten in php one before 17:17 <@rizen> yeah, that was webphooey 17:17 <@rizen> and had nothing to do with me 17:17 <@rizen> and didn't come out on april fools 17:17 <+MrHairgrease> too bad the webphooey site is gone 17:18 <+Radix_> Ahh k.. 17:19 <+perlmonkey2> That is funny rizen because "(08:26:16 AM) perlmonkey2: I just read on a PHP message board that JT is starting a new project to move wG to PHP." 17:21 <@rizen> perlmonkey2: and that comment was independent of my blog? 17:21 <+BartJol> don't believe him rizen 17:21 <+perlmonkey2> rizen: yeah, my RSS updates to your blog are usually a few days delayed for some reason. 17:21 <+BartJol> he hacked your account 17:22 <@rizen> heh 17:22 <+BartJol> built in functionality in survey2.0 17:22 -!- jdanpl [n=jdanpl@main.telvinet.pl] has quit ["Leaving"] 17:23 <@rizen> i wouldn't doubt it 17:23 <+MrHairgrease> hey rizen: Joeri gave his ok for me to go to the yapc::eu 17:23 <+MrHairgrease> and rory is comming as well 17:24 <@rizen> sweet ass sweet 17:24 <+MrHairgrease> coming* 17:24 <@rizen> it will be great to see you guys 17:24 <+MrHairgrease> is that your association with us? 17:24 <+MrHairgrease> sweetand ass? 17:24 <+MrHairgrease> well, it'll sure be interesting =) 17:24 <@rizen> MrHairgrease: are you saying you don't have a sweet ass? 17:25 <+BartJol> yapc 2009: only sweet asses allowed 17:25 <+MrHairgrease> nonono 17:25 <+MrHairgrease> of course I have a sweet ass 17:26 <+MrHairgrease> I just hoped for some recognition on a less banal level 17:26 <+MrHairgrease> but as all eurotrash 17:26 <+BartJol> martin is made from sugar! 17:26 <+MrHairgrease> we compensate brainpower with good looks 17:26 <+MrHairgrease> bart 17:26 <+MrHairgrease> terrasje? 17:26 <+BartJol> nou 17:27 <+BartJol> lekker 17:27 <@rizen> i too wish the webphooey site was still around, cuz i would have linked to it in my blog post 17:30 <+Radix_> just make sure you sell MrHairgrease's ass at yapc - they like their auctions there ;) 17:31 <+BartJol> sell? buy! 17:31 <+Radix_> heck.. rent it out ;) 17:33 <+BartJol> I think Marijn will claim his bottom 17:33 < daviddelikat> I was talking to my kids about april fools 17:34 < daviddelikat> ive been sharing the linksposted here and other places 17:34 < daviddelikat> my middle daughter is on the silly side of gulible 17:34 < daviddelikat> when I told here in the dictionary her picture was next to the def for gullible 17:34 < daviddelikat> she said 'really?' 17:35 < daviddelikat> today I told her I'd get her a hat that said 'A1' on it 17:35 < daviddelikat> she said 'why?' 17:35 < daviddelikat> I told here 'that's why' 17:35 < daviddelikat> she didn't get it... 17:41 -!- s4eek [n=charles@andc-fw1.exploreos.com] has joined #webgui 17:55 -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@206-124-6-108.denver.dsl.forethought.net] has joined #webgui 17:55 -!- mode/#webgui [+v cap10morgan] by ChanServ 18:00 * MrHairgrease doesn't get it either 18:03 < diakopter> A1=April1 18:03 < diakopter> I think 18:03 <+MrHairgrease> oh 18:04 <+MrHairgrease> maybe it's beacuse I don't hav children 18:04 < diakopter> that you know of.. 18:05 <+MrHairgrease> what do you know taht I don't? 18:05 < diakopter> *nothing* :P 18:08 <+MrHairgrease> hehe 18:18 -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-209-184.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has joined #webgui 18:19 -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ 18:19 <+perlDreamer> rizen, you ungrateful nit 18:19 <@rizen> huh? 18:19 <+perlDreamer> now I've gotta change my domain name to phpDreamer 18:19 <@rizen> hehe 18:19 <+perlDreamer> couldn't you have given me more notice about this? 18:19 <@rizen> oh, i forgot 18:19 <+MrHairgrease> php eveolved from some perl scripts 18:19 <@rizen> well perlmonkey2 has to change his irc nick 18:19 <+MrHairgrease> so you could just use php.perlDreamer 18:20 <+perlDreamer> and my business cards, business license, 1099's 18:20 <+perlDreamer> this is a huge amount of work 18:20 <+perlDreamer> if you were going to change languages, you could have picked something better 18:20 <@rizen> you shouldn't have used a name that was so volatile 18:20 <+perlDreamer> like .NET 18:20 <@rizen> that's why i chose plain black, it could be anything at all...a lot like zombo.com 18:20 <+perlmonkey2> heh 18:20 <+perlmonkey2> phpmonkey2 18:20 -!- perlmonkey2 is now known as phpmonkey2 18:21 <+MrHairgrease> why not use Logo then... 18:21 <@rizen> phpmonkey2: it's more like phpmonkey29393939 18:21 <+MrHairgrease> chances are that your businesscards already have a logo 18:21 <+phpmonkey2> hah 18:21 <+perlDreamer> the little turtle is so cute 18:21 <+MrHairgrease> yeah 18:21 <+MrHairgrease> but change the turtle for a mousecursor 18:22 <+MrHairgrease> and you could take over users' computers 18:22 <+MrHairgrease> it's a win ain situation 18:22 <+MrHairgrease> win win* 18:22 <+MrHairgrease> YOU decide what pages users view 18:22 <+MrHairgrease> so you could avoid showing them bugs 18:23 <+MrHairgrease> and thus WebGUI has no bug any more effectively 18:23 <+MrHairgrease> making it the most bestest CSM in the world. 18:24 <+MrHairgrease> is there already a javascript Logo compiler? 18:29 <+perlDreamer> rizen: The Polish translation is taking off! They're up at 40% and climbing steadily 18:30 -!- LTR_bob [n=bob@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has left #webgui [] 18:34 <+BartJol> mm concurrention 18:37 -!- carogra1 [n=Caroline@h69-11-184-246.nwlnnh.dedicated.static.tds.net] has joined #webgui 18:37 -!- carogra1 [n=Caroline@h69-11-184-246.nwlnnh.dedicated.static.tds.net] has quit [Client Quit] 18:37 <@rizen> wahoo! 18:37 <@rizen> i like to see that 18:39 <+perlDreamer> mmmmm Squeeze Bacon: http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/squeez-bacon.html?cpg=93T 18:41 <+BartJol> well I sincerely believe that that exists 18:42 <+MrHairgrease> rizen: like to see what? 18:42 <@rizen> translations on the rise 18:43 <+BartJol> maybe also more Polish people on the channel 18:44 <+BartJol> I need some polish people for rebuilding my house 18:44 -!- perlDreamer is now known as phpDreamer 18:46 <@rizen> i haven't looked at the percentages in a while 18:46 <@rizen> the once glorious dutch translation is still the king but has lost some of it's shine 18:47 <+BartJol> yeah, well I have to make it special again 18:47 <+BartJol> it was lonely at the top 18:47 <@rizen> the german translation has pulled ahead of arabic 18:47 <+phpDreamer> and spanish is about to overtake arabic, too 18:47 <+phpDreamer> Where's Ehab? 18:47 <@rizen> and french, spanish, and polish are becoming real contenders 18:48 <@rizen> ehab has been out of the game for a while 18:48 <@rizen> he doesn't even seem to be keeping up with his businesses anymore 18:49 <@rizen> not sure what that's about 18:49 <+phpDreamer> that's a bummer 18:49 <+phpDreamer> Did you notice Russian? 18:49 <+phpDreamer> 36% translated 18:49 <@rizen> oh no i didn't see that 18:49 <@rizen> very nice 18:50 <@rizen> or as borat would say "Thats a neyece" 18:53 -!- Haarg [n=haarg@76.210.61.179] has joined #webgui 18:53 -!- mode/#webgui [+o Haarg] by ChanServ 18:54 <+phpDreamer> maybe we need a sort by percent complete button on the front page 18:54 <+BartJol> and the number of years that the dutch translation is on top 18:54 * BartJol is getting arrogant 18:54 <+phpmonkey2> phpDreamer: if I had done my wind turbine in December, I would have averaged enough power put back on the grid to power every house in my neighborhood. 18:54 <+phpmonkey2> up until now. 18:55 <+phpDreamer> phpmonkey2: You could have been your own utility! 18:55 <+phpDreamer> what happened now? 18:55 <+phpDreamer> it stopped blowing? 18:55 <+phpDreamer> oh, it started blowing the other way 18:55 <+phpmonkey2> no, 20mph steady with up to 30mph gusts. 18:55 <+phpDreamer> which would drain power from your house 18:55 <+phpmonkey2> I'd still be averaging 4.5kw an hour. 18:55 <+phpDreamer> phpmonkey2, GO BUY A WELDER! 18:56 <+BartJol> phpDreamer: yeah that's the way dynamo's work 18:56 <+MrHairgrease> bart! 18:56 <+MrHairgrease> beertime 18:56 <+phpmonkey2> yeah, I think it's time....If I start now, I can finish just in time for the slow wind season (summer) :P 18:56 <+BartJol> finally 18:56 <+MrHairgrease> hehe 18:56 <+MrHairgrease> bye 18:56 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@gw.oqapi.nl] has left #webgui [] 18:56 <+BartJol> phpmonkey2: is also coming for beer? 18:56 <+BartJol> nice 18:56 <+phpmonkey2> I'll fax myself 18:56 <+BartJol> see you in half an hour 18:56 <+phpmonkey2> or send myself via tarbal 18:57 <+phpmonkey2> drink a couple for me! 18:57 <+BartJol> will do 18:57 -!- BartJol [n=plainstu@host2.procolix.com] has left #webgui [] 18:57 <+phpDreamer> we lose more Dutch people at this time of day... 18:57 <+phpmonkey2> they must go to their secret recharging stations. 18:58 <+phpmonkey2> I think they use some sort of biofuel to recharge on created from grains. 19:00 <+phpDreamer> isn't there an alcohol based engine? 19:00 <+phpDreamer> now that would be a way to defeat the oil monopoly 19:00 <+phpmonkey2> Dutch people? 19:00 <+phpDreamer> we already have infrastructure 19:00 <+phpmonkey2> ethanol? 19:00 <+phpDreamer> storage and generation 19:00 <+phpDreamer> it's carbon neutral 19:01 <+phpDreamer> and you can always pick up an extra 6-pack if you're running out on the way home! 19:02 <+phpmonkey2> 40% of the science for doubling li-io batteries energy density is done. If that that other 60% happens, it's all over for oil. 19:02 <@tavisto> woohoo WebGUI 8 is going to be in PHP! 19:02 <@tavisto> I've been waiting for this for SOOOOOO LONG 19:03 <+phpmonkey2> tavisto: would that make your job easier or harder. You get to say wG is built on the same tech as all the other FOSS CMS's, and don'thave to explain why perl is better anymore. 19:03 <+phpDreamer> phpmonkey2, batteries are only for energy storage. You still have to find a way to make the electricity 19:03 <@tavisto> YES!!!!!!!!!!!!! 19:03 <+phpmonkey2> But then you have to explain away all the security issues that will pop up 19:04 * phpDreamer whacks phpmonkey2 with an ethanol powered, wind-filled lithium battery 19:04 <+phpDreamer> there _are_ no security problems with PHP 19:04 <+phpmonkey2> phpDreamer: new advances in wind technology coupled with cheap li-io commerical battery storage??? 19:05 <+phpDreamer> maybe we need a whole bunch of independently built wind farms 19:05 <+phpmonkey2> kite powered wind turbines that tap the jet stream hold so much promise, it is hard to comprehend. 19:05 <@tavisto> hehe 19:06 <+phpmonkey2> phpDreamer: naw, using otherpower plans, it still costs a person much more per watt than GE can build them for. 19:06 <@tavisto> No, I'm fine with the Perl gig.... I've got the whole response burned into my brain..... "Why does WebGUI use perl???" 19:06 <@tavisto> That's when I say.... "Because your mom doesn't love you.. now go away" 19:07 <+phpDreamer> phpmonkey2: but then the utility charges you. What's the breakeven point for DIY? 19:07 <+phpmonkey2> tavisto: then when they are broken down and crying, you forge their name on the contract and run? 19:08 <@tavisto> I'm like an abusive boyfriend breaking down the CMS potential customer 19:08 <+phpmonkey2> phpDreamer: I priced a 3.5Meter turbine, back of envelope, at about $6k. 19:08 <@tavisto> I'm the Ike Turner of the CMS sales world 19:08 <+phpmonkey2> phpDreamer: that would make the average house in a decent wind zone, neutral on the grid. 19:08 <+phpmonkey2> should average 1kw 19:10 <+phpmonkey2> With my electric bill, I'd be looking at about a 5 year payback. But I have no idea on operating costs. I imagine the biggest deal is bad bearings, which would be a real pain to replace. 19:10 <@rizen> hehe. tavisto makes me laugh 19:10 <+phpDreamer> tavisto, there are two problems with that 19:10 <+phpDreamer> 1) You don't have a Tina 19:11 <+phpDreamer> 2) You don't have PHP in your nickname 19:11 -!- rizen is now known as phpizen 19:12 <@tavisto> don't need Tina.. Becky is totally hotter 19:12 <+phpDreamer> who is Becky? 19:13 <+phpmonkey2> phpDreamer: biggest impediment: http://www.inl.gov/wind/photogallery/i/fthall_fmc_8_12_03_1.jpg the 20 meter tower. 19:14 <+phpDreamer> yeah, that looks like a problem 19:15 <+phpmonkey2> I'm pricing that as a $2.5k problem, in my calculations. 19:15 <+phpmonkey2> probably way too cheap. 19:15 <+phpDreamer> doesn't that push out our break even date, too? 19:16 <@tavisto> I wouldn't stoop to that low phpDreamer. Using PHP is like using cigarettes.... everyone is doing it... but everyone is stupid for doing it. ;) 19:18 <@tavisto> how about COBOL? I learned that in college.... that's been real beneficial to my career. 19:18 <+phpmonkey2> phpDreamer: no, that was part of the $6k. 19:18 * phpizen wishes he could change tavisto's nick for him 19:18 <@tavisto> nooooo!!!! 19:18 <@tavisto> how about Fortranisto 19:20 < daviddelikat> Cobol? 19:20 < daviddelikat> our computer dept patently refused to teach it on the grounds that it is a dead language 19:20 <@tavisto> yeah, I learned that in 2001 19:20 <+phpmonkey2> phpDreamer: the 3 phase generator, blades, bearing, and housing, is actually the cheap part. Maybe $1k (I'd have to dig up my docs to make sure). Everything else is steel, steel cable, concrete, and more steel. 19:20 < daviddelikat> yet fully half of my income since then was from doing cobol work 19:21 <@tavisto> it was part of my CIS program.... which is entirely not focused on programming 19:21 < daviddelikat> i wish coporate america would let it die a graceful death 19:21 < daviddelikat> rather than make things like OOCobol 19:22 <@tavisto> still lots of legacy systems using it. But it was strange.. here I am studying for my 3rd test towards MCSE and I'm learning Cobol 19:22 < daviddelikat> you know how people often program in perl even tho they dont know how? 19:22 <+phpmonkey2> My CS dept taught Cobol. But it was taught in a "you must learn everything about this language, so you know its shortcomings and why it is almost never a proper choice." 19:22 < daviddelikat> well people who don't kow how to use cobol(like me) make little messes everywhere... 19:23 <@tavisto> Good job college curriculum coordinators..... why not teach me zoology while you're at it 19:23 < daviddelikat> that build up into systems tht fail consistantly 19:24 < daviddelikat> which means we need more cobol programmers to fix them 19:24 < daviddelikat> thats capitalism at work! 19:24 < daviddelikat> :) 19:27 <+phpDreamer> tavisto, are you really studying to be a MCSE? 19:29 <@Haarg> http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=754313 talk about building a shipping api to work with any carrier 19:30 < daviddelikat> tavisto: are you in a program or going solo? 19:30 <@tavisto> dude that was when I was an engineer at Pharmacia (now Pfizer) back in 2001 19:31 <@Haarg> too bad it probably wouldn't be complete soon enough for us to use if it does get built 19:31 <+phpDreamer> maybe we should build it 19:31 <@tavisto> we rolled W2k desktop images out to 55,000 employees across 60 countries 19:31 <@tavisto> by the time we were halfway done.. people already wanted newer OS :) 19:32 <@tavisto> daviddelikat, we had a group of us studying and then they sent us to bootcamp 19:32 <@tavisto> which was stupid since many of the guys were 1 or 2 tests in 19:34 < daviddelikat> I'v thought about going for MCSE but since I barely have time to do what I have to do now, it seems more prudent to work at finding income rather than looking for 'outgo' oportunities... 19:36 <+phpDreamer> income vs outcome 19:38 <@Haarg> all of the web services we integrate with in shop would be good candidates to make cpan modules out of, it just depends on how much time we want to spend on doing so 19:39 <+phpDreamer> Vendor Payout is 7.7 only? 19:40 <+phpDreamer> looks that way 19:42 -!- preaction is now known as phpaction 19:43 -!- Haarg is now known as PHPaarg 19:43 <+phpmonkey2> hah 19:43 * phpDreamer is glad phpizen didn't choose Haskell for wG8 19:43 <+phpmonkey2> phpDreamer: why? 19:43 <@phpaction> or Erlang? 19:43 <+phpmonkey2> that would have been hard to tell if it was a joke :P 19:44 <@phpaction> i think Lisp is the only logical choice really 19:44 <+phpDreamer> Scheme 19:44 <+phpDreamer> .net 19:44 <+phpDreamer> Ada 19:44 <+phpmonkey2> Java 19:44 <+phpDreamer> javascript 19:44 <@PHPaarg> cmd batch script 19:44 <+phpDreamer> Befunge 19:46 <+phpmonkey2> If wG was to switch languages, there are what, two choices? 19:46 <+phpmonkey2> Python and Perl6? 19:46 <@PHPaarg> http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10064 i'm not sure about this bug. initially preload.custom was meant for apache preloading, thus the name. but it does cause problems that the utility scripts don't all use it. 19:47 <@PHPaarg> upgrade.pl does now, because otherwise there is a good chance of breaking things 19:49 <@PHPaarg> also, copying and pasting the code to deal with it into a bunch of scripts obviously isn't ideal 19:49 <@PHPaarg> seems almost like preload.custom should be part of the wre, not webgui itself 19:50 <+phpDreamer> PHPaarg, what I don't get about 10064 is that Spectre uses only 2-3 modules. Everything else it dispatches back to WebGUI. 19:51 <@PHPaarg> yeah, i'm not sure what modifications to spectre would be done 19:51 <@PHPaarg> it doesn't have any plugin points 19:54 <+phpDreamer> also, if custom.preload were part of the wre, it wouldn't work with source instals 19:54 <+phpDreamer> or distribution packages 19:55 <@PHPaarg> seems like that should be part of the environment though 19:55 <@PHPaarg> adding paths to PERL5LIB accomplishes about the same thing 19:56 <+phpDreamer> true 19:59 -!- phphao [n=phphao@mail.xbiotica.com] has joined #webgui 19:59 < CIA-38> WebGUI: colin * r10119 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix a gateway URL issue with the Vendor Payout js. 20:01 <+phpDreamer> phphao, you're getting a little schizo, there 20:03 < phphao> just a little? 20:04 <+phpDreamer> well, it's only 1 other identity 20:09 <+phpmonkey2> showSummary returns the current responses summary for the entire response, if no address is passed in, or just the section addressed by $sectionAddress. 20:09 <+phpmonkey2> For each section, the total correct, wrong, and points are returned. And each question is listed with the text, given score, user response, and if it was correct. This list is meant for a template and only what is needed should be shown. 20:10 <+phpmonkey2> Hmm, maybe throw in time taken per section and total time taken? 20:11 <+phpDreamer> phpmonkey2: is it JSON data? 20:11 <+phpmonkey2> phpDreamer: no, this will be returning a hash meant to be fed to a template. 20:11 <+phpDreamer> in that case, I'd say the more data the merrier 20:11 <+phpDreamer> until the point it bogs down 20:11 <+phpmonkey2> :D 20:12 <+phpmonkey2> you can never have too much datas in the internests 20:12 <+phpDreamer> and don't forget the template variable help 20:13 <+phpmonkey2> da helps 20:17 -!- carogra1 [n=Caroline@h69-11-184-246.nwlnnh.dedicated.static.tds.net] has joined #webgui 20:21 <+phpDreamer> tavisto, here's another rabbit trail to chase down: fossfor.us 20:21 <+phpDreamer> they don't have a CMS category yet 20:21 <+phpDreamer> but maybe they'd start one for you 20:21 <+phpDreamer> seems more geared at desktop use, but who knows 20:24 <+phpDreamer> hey, SynQ's the new PBWG 20:25 <@tavisto> DUDE 20:26 <@tavisto> WebGUI 8 Going PHP actually got picked up as a legit news story!!! 20:26 <+phpDreamer> where? 20:26 <+phpDreamer> linkage, dude 20:27 <@tavisto> http://www.webgui.org/news/webgui-8-goes-php 20:28 <+phpDreamer> oy 20:28 <@tavisto> that's not cool at all 20:29 <+phpDreamer> no 20:29 <+phpDreamer> you're no stranger to love, tavisto 20:29 -!- carogra1 [n=Caroline@h69-11-184-246.nwlnnh.dedicated.static.tds.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 20:30 <+phpDreamer> I don't know that this guy is smoking: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10081 20:30 <@tavisto> I got nothin 20:31 <+phpDreamer> You know the rules, and so do I 20:36 <+phpDreamer> in javascript, does : quote the left operator by default? 20:36 <+phpDreamer> or am I getting confused by JSON? 20:44 <@PHPaarg> it doesn't quote it exactly 20:45 <@PHPaarg> but when defining an object, quotes can be eliminated for the keys as long as they are word characters 20:45 <@PHPaarg> defining an object using { key : "value" } form 20:46 <@PHPaarg> that's not valid json though 20:47 <+phpDreamer> okay, that's what I thought 20:47 <+phpDreamer> thanks, PHPaarg 20:51 <@tavisto> I just want to tell you how I'm feeling.... 20:51 <@tavisto> want to make you... understand... 21:05 <+phpDreamer> ah, followup post to 10081 makes more sense now 21:05 <+phpDreamer> s/Asset/Form/g 21:28 -!- phpizen is now known as rizen 21:35 <@tavisto> I knew you'd come back Rizen 21:35 <+phpDreamer> Noooo!!!! 21:35 <+phpDreamer> PHP Forever 21:42 * phpDreamer goes swimming, since running is only for perl hackers 21:43 <@tavisto> punk 21:55 < deafferret> PHP can have running 22:04 -!- rizen [n=rizen@h69-128-55-18.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net] has quit [] 22:16 < phphao> phpaction, is wg 8 using couchdb? 22:21 -!- eternaluxe [n=eternalu@gw.villageoflisle.org] has joined #webgui 22:23 < eternaluxe> This is probably an apache conf issue, but... www.mywebsite.com loads the default apache2 page. www.mywebsite.com/webgui loads webgui home page. How can I get to the webgui home page just by using my fqdn? 22:59 -!- carogra1 [n=Caroline@h69-11-184-246.nwlnnh.dedicated.static.tds.net] has joined #webgui 23:26 -!- carogra1 [n=Caroline@h69-11-184-246.nwlnnh.dedicated.static.tds.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 23:27 -!- eternaluxe [n=eternalu@gw.villageoflisle.org] has left #webgui [] 23:40 * phpDreamer is back 23:40 <+phpDreamer> phear my awesome fitness power 23:41 <+phpDreamer> (now where did I place that DragonBall)? 23:43 < elnino> whoa why do I have 16 wremonitors running? weird never saw that before. 23:52 <@tavisto> yeah you're right, you should only have 15! 23:53 < elnino> =) 23:53 < elnino> I think my computer is playing a april fools on me. 23:54 <@tavisto> sounds like it 23:54 < elnino> I kill them. All is well. No errors very strange. will keep monitoring that's forsure. 23:55 <+phpDreamer> elnino, any concerns about WebGUI 8 being in PHP? 23:55 <+phpDreamer> it should fix our hosting issues 23:55 <@tavisto> I have grave concerns 23:56 <@tavisto> when perlDreamer finds out you are copying his name.. you are in big trouble 23:56 < elnino> and how do you think that will fix your hosting issues? ;p 23:57 <+phpDreamer> well, cheap hosting for wG will be available anywhere 23:57 < elnino> oh ok. 23:57 < elnino> because php is free? 23:57 < elnino> and perl is not? 23:57 <+phpDreamer> because php hosters are cheap 23:58 <+phpDreamer> do you think there are a bunch of Drupal people who are joking about switching to Perl right now? 23:58 <@tavisto> yeah, they have a product called Druperl 23:58 < elnino> perhaps. =) 23:59 <@tavisto> It's been out for awhile, check it out at http://www.webgui.org/news/webgui-8-goes-php 23:59 < elnino> I really think should change your name back. it's giving me the creaps. --- Day changed Thu Apr 02 2009 00:00 < elnino> s/creaps/creeps 00:00 < elnino> or crepes 00:00 < elnino> =) 00:01 -!- phpmonkey2 is now known as perlmonkey2 00:02 <+phpDreamer> speaking of crepes, I made these really good pumpkin cinnamon rolls a few weeks back 00:04 < elnino> ooh. that's sounds good. You must think I cook alot. I only dream of doing that. 00:05 < elnino> I do make pumpkin pie all year round. is that close? 00:07 < elnino> I see perlmonkey2 is back. yeah! 00:07 <+perlmonkey2> back in plain black. 00:08 <+perlmonkey2> just need the AC/DC music. 00:13 <+phpDreamer> elnino, cooking or eating, it makes no difference 00:16 <+phpDreamer> important javascript safety tip, perlmonkey2 00:16 <+phpDreamer> the