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02:20 < daviddelikat> preaction: I'm investigting a disappearing picture for http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9579 and I wanted to see if it caused any errors  in the log.
02:21 < daviddelikat> http://www.webgui.org/wg/promote/gooey-on-the-go/webgui-license-plate-club
02:22 <@preaction> daviddelikat: here's the error: 2009/01/31 18:17:02 - WARN - www.plainblack.com.conf - WebGUI::Content::Asset::tryAs
02:22 <@preaction> setMethod[207] - Couldn't call method view on asset for url: wg/promote/gooey-on-the
02:22 <@preaction> -go/webgui-license-plate-club/michigan-license-plate Root cause: Can't use string ("
02:22 <@preaction> gooey on the go license plate cl") as an ARRAY ref while "strict refs" in use at /da
02:22 <@preaction> ta/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/File/GalleryFile.pm line 798.
02:22 <@preaction> ... er, my bad
02:22 <@preaction> http://webgui.pastebin.com/mf6b1fa8
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02:23 < daviddelikat> thanks
02:52 < chupacabra> anybody seen tamar
02:53 < chupacabra> i miss her cute ass shaking defiantly.
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02:55 < chupacabra> oops wrong channel..  sory.
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03:01 < conexcol> hi
03:01 <@preaction> hi
03:02 < conexcol> good to see people here
03:02 < conexcol> I want to start developing things for webgui
03:02 <@preaction> that's great! we're here to help
03:02 < conexcol> I'm trying to start a project to build a directory with search capabilities
03:03 < conexcol> I'd like to have some recomendations on how to approach this... is an asset, a set of macros, etc.
03:04 < conexcol> I'd like to have categories and subcategories, user submitions, keywords search, etc
03:04 <@preaction> a directory for what kind of data?
03:04 < conexcol> websites
03:04 < conexcol> like yahoo :p
03:05 <@preaction> you could probably put the whole system together using the Collaboration System if you wanted
03:05 < conexcol> mmm.. interesting...
03:05 <@preaction> but probably your best bet would be to make a set of custom assets
03:05 < conexcol> how's that?
03:06 <@preaction> assets because they are indexed into the WebGUI Search asset (so your searching would come almost free)
03:06 <@preaction> also because assets are arranged in a tree, so that comes free too
03:07 < conexcol> how fast is the search engine?
03:07 <@preaction> if you have a top-level asset type for the "Directory" one asset type for a "Category" and one asset type for a "Directory Entry", you should be able to quickly do it
03:07 <@preaction> i have never seen it take very long
03:07 < conexcol> jmm. let me digest this...
03:08 <@preaction> alternatively, you can design your database first and then build a single asset to navigate, another asset to search
03:08 <@preaction> another asset to manage entries in your custom database, etc...
03:08 < conexcol> I see...
03:08 < conexcol> Actually, I already have the database
03:09 < conexcol> I guess another asseit for user submision...
03:09 <@preaction> so build an API to the database and use the API inside assets to manipulate and display that data
03:10 <@preaction> you could also write it as a WebGUI::Content handler instead, which is a lower-level API that stays out of your way
03:10 <@preaction> i wouldn't suggest it unless you had a very good reason
03:10 <@preaction> my opinion is that the different assets to view, search, and edit entries would be the best way
03:11 < conexcol> I'll have to go for about 15 mins.. this is getting quite interesting.. please baer with me.. I'll be back shortly
03:11 <@preaction> unfortunately i have to go as well, but there are plenty of people who can help, and I'm here most of the time
03:12 < conexcol> ok, thanks a lot
03:12 < conexcol> I really want to start developing tonight
03:12 <@preaction> the WebGUI Developer's Guide from Plain Black has a wealth of getting-started information and tutorials on how to accomplish various tasks
03:12 <@preaction> the wiki has a guide on "how to create an asset"
03:13 <@preaction> there is a code skeleton in lib/WebGUI/Asset/_NewAsset.skeleton and lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/_NewWobject.skeleton (a Wobject is what you'll want probably, it's basically a higher-level asset)
03:13 <@preaction> the wiki is http://wiki.webgui.org
03:31 < conexcol> I'm back
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04:03 < conexcol> preaction: if you're still here, when you said "so build an API to the database and use the API inside assets to manipulate and display that data", where exactly should I do this?
04:06 < conexcol> what's the difference between Asset and Wobject?
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06:05 < chupacabra> installing LWP failed.
06:06 < chupacabra> oops
06:06 < chupacabra> Fedora 10
06:06 < chupacabra> running testEnviornment.pl
06:08 < chupacabra> sounds important.  i know it is for some irc bots ive had.
06:15 < chupacabra> mmm  installed LWP with yum and all seems well
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06:38 < wgGuest88> daviddelikat
06:39 < wgGuest88> daviddelikat
06:39 < conexcol> does anyboday know how the Bazaar is made with (wich Asset)?
06:40 < wgGuest88> daviddelikat: are your sounds working yet?
06:41 < daviddelikat> nope
06:44 < daviddelikat> daviddelikat: are your sounds working yet?
06:44 < wgGuest88> daviddelikat: are your sounds working yet?
06:44 < wgGuest88> nope
06:45 < daviddelikat> sorry for all the junk, I'm done goofing around now...
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06:58 < chupacabra> lots of perl modules
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08:32 < conexcol> does anyone knows how the Bazaar on Plaiblack's website is made of (which Asset)?
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17:11 < chupacabra> how important is Aopache2::Request  mine wont install it.
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17:50 < bpmedley> what problems are you having?
17:50 < bpmedley> you may need to download and pass arguments to the Makfile.PL script
19:55 < chupacabra> ahh.  
19:55 < chupacabra> I'm busy now.  will check back in after work.  thanks though.
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20:59 <@preaction> chupacabra: if you're having trouble with manually installing stuff, perhaps the WRE would be a good idea
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21:49 < conexcol> does anyone knows how the Bazaar on Plaiblack's website is made of (which Asset)?
21:52 <@preaction> conexcol: it's a custom asset called Bazaar, available in svn at https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/experimental/Bazaar
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06:23 < chupacabra> 3C3C3C^^^
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15:16 <+BartJol> yo, I've got a upgrade question for sites with custom assets
15:16 <+BartJol> we mostly put the assets in a custom dir
15:16 <+BartJol> but the upgrade script doesn't seem to regonise the path and thus can't call the getId method on the asset
15:17 <+BartJol> this breaks the upgrade, which can be quite annoying
15:17 <+BartJol> we tried a perl -I with the path after it, but that also didn't work
15:18 <+BartJol> Am I missing something? otherwise I'm gonna submit a RFE for it
15:24 <+BartJol> someone got some ideas on this?
15:26 <+BartJol> preaction: you know whether I'm doing something stupid?
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15:29 <+BartJol> ah the master of development
15:30 <+BartJol> khenn: you know whether I'm missing something simple when upgrading a site with custom plugins?
15:30 <+BartJol> it seems to skip preload.custom
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15:30 <@khenn> it's likely a bug in the upgrade script
15:31 <+BartJol> oh
15:31 <+BartJol> ok
15:32 <@khenn> what are you trying to do?
15:32 <@khenn> not sure why the upgrade script needs to know about your custom modules
15:32 <+BartJol> upgrading from 7.5.38 to latest
15:32 <@khenn> it's breaking?
15:32 <+BartJol> yeah
15:33 <@khenn> perhaps Haarg would know better
15:33 <+BartJol> I fixed it already by putting it in the normal lib dir
15:33 <+BartJol> but that is not the preferable solution
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15:57 <+BartJol> well I posted a bug
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17:08 < wgGuest47> anyone know how to move pages up or down in navigation from the home page?
17:08 <+BartJol> you can change the rank in the assetmanager
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17:10 < wgGuest47> thanks
17:10 <+BartJol> my pleasure
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17:51 <@Haarg> BartJol, i plan to have upgrade.pl use preload.custom, but it doesn't at this point.  it's simple enough to use perl -I or PERL5LIB= once you know, but it should be automatic.
17:54 <+BartJol> Haarg: ah, thanks
17:54 <+BartJol> good to know
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19:05 < brikenv> Hi guys. I'm doing a survey for my diploma thesis and have 50 questions about the cms web gui. I'm looking for someone who is a professional user of the system to do an 30 min chat interview.
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19:31 < brikenv> Hi guys. I'm doing a survey for my diploma thesis and have 50 questions about the cms web gui. I'm looking for someone who is a professional user of the system to do an 30 min chat interview.
19:32 < perlmonkey21> Is there a way to run two WebGUI directories at the same time?  I didn't know if it was too big a PITA to track down all the /data/WebGUI references.
19:33 <@preaction> perlmonkey21: only if you run two instances of apache at the same time. i think there are only a couple places to change /data/WebGUI to something else
19:33 < perlmonkey21> preaction: sweet, I'll see if I can run it down.
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19:33 <@Haarg> only places that will have /data/WebGUI listed should be the config files and preload.perl
19:34 <@preaction> brikenv: do you need a developer or will a power user do fine?
19:34 < brikenv> hi preaction. poweruser will be fine. just general questions
19:36 <@preaction> brikenv: the official Plain Black person to answer those types of questions would be tavis@plainblack.com
19:36 <+perlDreamer> he's a power user
19:36 < perlmonkey21> preaction: sweet, thanks a bil
19:36 <@preaction> he's borderline developer, something i always seem to forget
19:36 < perlmonkey21> Haarg: err, I meant you
19:37 <@preaction> tavisto is MS-certified sysadmin, netadmin and other wonderfully geeky things (in addition to being easy on the eyes)
19:37 < brikenv> well. i'm german. will be easier for me to ask in the chat then do it in writting
19:38 <@preaction> i'm not savvy on how his schedule works, but he may be able to do even better (skype or something)
19:38 < brikenv> i just want to know if a couple of features are existing or not, as i couldn't find the informations on the website
19:38 <@tavisto> hi brikenv, I'd be happy to answer your questions
19:39 < brikenv> hi tavisto. thats great thank you
19:39 < brikenv> private room?
19:39 <@tavisto> sure go ahead and private me
19:40 <+perlDreamer> tavisto, if we learn that you're bad mouthing WebGUI in private, it shall not go well with you...
19:40  * perlDreamer ends his threat with an ominous elipsis
19:40 <@preaction> he can't badmouth it, he had a major hand in shaping it
19:40 <@tavisto> hah, the marketing guy bad mouthing the product... that's a good one
19:40 <@preaction> dot. dot dot....
19:44 <+perlDreamer> dot dot dot ... dot dot dot
19:44 <@preaction> dash dot dash?
19:47 <+perlDreamer> S.O.S. in dots only
19:48 <+perlDreamer> Morse code really uses 3 symbols, and they can be very arbitrary
20:08 <+perlDreamer> The module Acme::Bleach is built the same way
20:08 <+perlDreamer> it reencodes your code using all legal whitespace characters
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20:45 < bernd_> Hey everyone! Greetings from Bayreuth...
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20:48 <+perlDreamer> Where is Bayreuth?
20:48 < bernd_> Northern Bavaria
20:48 < bernd_> You know Richard Wagner?
20:49 < bernd_> Bayreuth is were the annual Richard Wagner Festspiele take place.
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20:55 <+perlDreamer> is that why you're there?
20:56 < bernd_> No, I am on a business trip.
20:57 < bernd_> I do not even know Wagner. I just heard that the city is famous for staging of his works. 
20:57 <+BartJol> business trip, yeeeeah
20:58 < bernd_> Boring :-(
20:58 < bernd_> I hate business trips...
20:58 <+BartJol> go to the wuc, that's not boring
20:58 < bernd_> ... as long as I am on my own.
20:58 < bernd_> I bet.
20:58 < bernd_> But I have not collected enough karma yet :-)
20:59 <+BartJol> allthough, you shouldn't have to travel that far to meet so many dutchies
20:59 <+BartJol> you don't need karma
20:59 < bernd_> What about you coming to one of our drinks in Heidelberg?
21:00 <+BartJol> maybe later this year
21:00 <+BartJol> I have to buy a house
21:00 <+BartJol> it will cost me most of my days off
21:00 < bernd_> I thought you have bought a house?
21:00 <+BartJol> it's a slow process
21:00 < bernd_> I need the karma to pay for it!
21:00 < bernd_> Or do you want to be forced to listen to one of my talks?
21:01 <+BartJol> I'm willing to donate some karma
21:01 < bernd_> I can tell you they are veeeery boring.
21:01 <+BartJol> I wouldn't mind I think
21:01 < bernd_> Well, I would need some 50 000 karma points then.
21:01 <+BartJol> mmm, I don't have that
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21:02 < bernd_> perlDreamer is probably the only one who could pay for the conference with karma,
21:02 <+perlDreamer> Nope, I'm several thousand short
21:03  * perlDreamer is currently bashing his head on JS
21:03 < bernd_> Is it Javascript or did you forget the T?
21:03 <+BartJol> several 1000's that's mearly weeks for you
21:04 < bernd_> Yeah, would be really cool if someone paid with karma.
21:04 <+BartJol> but I suspect perlDreamer is presenting anyway
21:05 < bernd_> Most likely. Maybe something about JS?
21:05 <+perlDreamer> I sure hope not
21:06 <+perlDreamer> Javascript is starting to look like spaghetti mixed with tapeworms
21:07 < bernd_> tapeworm?
21:07 < bernd_> s
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21:09 <+perlDreamer> human intestinal parasite
21:10 <+perlDreamer> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tapeworm
21:10 < bernd_> Ah, Bandwürmer!
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21:12 < bernd_> perlDreamer, I am having problems with the translation server.
21:13 < bernd_> Character encoding/decoding does not work.
21:13 <+BartJol> oh, yeah, thanks for the wiki entry, I got it installed
21:13 < bernd_> If I do not use the rich editor,
21:13 < bernd_> umlauts get strange encondings like "\374", which are not recognized by the browser.
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21:25 < bernd_> Anyone else knowing about the translation server and character encodings?
21:25 <+perlDreamer> Klaus filed a bug about character encodings, but they worked fine in the browser.
21:26 < bernd_> I am not sure if that is related.
21:27 < bernd_> What I don't understand is why characters are converted at all.
21:27 < bernd_> If the default encoding is utf8 there should not be any conversion required?
21:27 <@Haarg> default encoding of what?
21:28 < bernd_> I think the browser is using utf-8.
21:28 < bernd_> So why decode in www_editItemSave?
21:28 < bernd_> Isn't the text area delivering utf-8 as well?
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21:30 < bernd_> I assume decode_utf8 converts from utf-8 to unicode wide characters. Is that correct?
21:30 <+perlDreamer> we decode from utf8 into perl's native string representation
21:30 < bernd_> But why?
21:31 < bernd_> The browser wants utf-8 in the end.
21:31 < bernd_> Is it re-converted to utf-8 at one point?
21:31 <+perlDreamer> I believe it is reconverted to utf8 when written out to the translation files
21:31 < bernd_> Just checked: the browser encoding is utf-8 when using the translation server.
21:32 < bernd_> perlDreamer, do you mean upon commit?
21:32 <+perlDreamer> no, after saving
21:32 <+perlDreamer> when committing, it writes to SVN
21:32 < bernd_> That is not the case.
21:32 < bernd_> I can find those perl wide characters in the translation files.
21:32 < bernd_> Want an example?
21:33 <+perlDreamer> That is what Klaus's bug is about
21:33 <+perlDreamer> Data::Dumper, which is used to serialize the data to the file, will alternately handle the encodings in different ways
21:33 < bernd_> Hm, nothing we can do about it?
21:33 < bernd_> I cannot continue with the translation at the moment.
21:34 < bernd_> I would have to re-check all phrases with umlauts.
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21:34 <+perlDreamer> Is this on i18n.webgui.org, or a locally installed copy?
21:35 < bernd_> It is the local copy.
21:35 < topsub> are "admins" the only ones who can look at the asset manager tree?
21:35 < bernd_> I have not experienced on i18n.webgui.org yet.
21:35 < topsub> the only group that is
21:35 <+perlDreamer> topsub, I don't believe so.
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21:35 <+perlDreamer> Content/AssetManager.pm
21:36 < topsub> I am getting lil confused as to how to set this up. Trying to keep clients from being able to control everything
21:36 <+perlDreamer> bernd_: then I think you should double check i18n.webgui.org
21:36 < bernd_> But how?
21:36 < bernd_> I have been using i18n.webgui.org frequently.
21:36 < bernd_> So far no problems.
21:37 <+perlDreamer> bernd_: then the problem must be local to your machine.  That's a small comfort.
21:37 < bernd_> Not sure, since I have found corrupted characters in translations that others have done.
21:37 < bernd_> The bug is probably there.
21:37 < bernd_> I am just not sure what causes it.
21:38 <+perlDreamer> topsub: in 7.6, with the new config file, you can easily specify which groups can access parts of the admin console
21:38 < topsub> thats nice!
21:39 <+perlDreamer> but that just hides it in the UI
21:39 < bernd_> Just checked permissions under settings. But it seems that the config file is the only way to hide the asset manager.
21:40 <@Haarg> so when the character encoding bug you are talking about occurs, what is the result of it?
21:41 <@Haarg> as for why we decode and encode
21:41 < bernd_> Instead of "ü" I get "\374".
21:41 <@Haarg> where?
21:41 < bernd_> The latter is probably the perl encoding?
21:41 <@Haarg> and why does that matter?
21:41 < topsub> so if they have the url then they could see it?
21:41 < bernd_> In translation modules such as Account_User.pm
21:42 <@Haarg> we need to have all the strings in the same format so they can be combined together
21:42 < bernd_> Haarg, it matters because those characters appear as strange characters in my browser.
21:42 < bernd_> It seems that re-conversion is missing.
21:42 <@Haarg> on the translation server or when using them in webgui?
21:42 < bernd_> When using them in webgui.
21:42 <@Haarg> version?
21:42 < bernd_> 7.5.40
21:43 < bernd_> Actually, not true.
21:43 < bernd_> I have tested with a recent beta version.
21:43 <@Haarg> the strings coming out of the i18n modules should be in perl's internal encoding
21:43 < bernd_> Has that always been the case?
21:43 < bernd_> Using the rich editor causes HTML entities!
21:43 <@Haarg> where the data coming from/to the browser is utf8
21:44 < bernd_> In translation files that is.
21:44 <@Haarg> in 7.4 and previous, we weren't handing encodings properly
21:45 <@Haarg> we just dealt with everything as bytes
21:45  * perlDreamer goes running
21:45 <@Haarg> which led to a number of problems when storing them in the database or doing processing on them
21:45 < bernd_> No more than 4 minutes per km, perlDreamer!
21:45 < bernd_> But 7.4 is far in the past.
21:46 < bernd_> Why does the problem occur now?
21:46 <+perlDreamer> I try to average 10 minutes/mile
21:46 < bernd_> That is even more.
21:46 <@preaction> about the same
21:47 < bernd_> You *must* get faster.
21:47 <@preaction> perlbot math 2.2 * 4
21:47 < perlbot> 8.8
21:47 < bernd_> Otherwise it is no longer running ;-)
21:47 <@preaction> oh, that's slower!
21:47 < bernd_> Isn't a mile 1.6 km?
21:48 <+BartJol> or 1.852 km of your talking nautical miles
21:48 <@preaction> 2.2 i always thought
21:48 <+BartJol> preaction: nope
21:48 <@preaction> oh, i'm wrong
21:48 <+BartJol> treasure this sparse moment in time preaction
21:49 <@preaction> mmmm... 
21:49 < bernd_> Nicely said!
21:50 < bernd_> preaction, I am glad you are not working for NASA.
21:50 < bernd_> Ooops, forgot the smiley :-)
21:50 <+BartJol> rizen never has that, even when he's wrong, he's right
21:50 < bernd_> That is probably by definition.
21:50 <+BartJol> indeed
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21:51 <@preaction> bernd_: i was only off by a factor of 0.6, well within NASA's standards (they are, after all, a government agency)
21:51 < bernd_> And that is probably the reason they lost pathfinder.
21:51 < bernd_> Or was it some other satellite?
21:52  * perlDreamer goes slowly shambling
21:52 <+perlDreamer> deafferret will be distressed
21:52 <@preaction> they lost a mars rover or two
21:52 <+perlDreamer> just 1
21:52 <+perlDreamer> the UK lost one, too
21:52 <+perlDreamer> named Beagle
21:52 < bernd_> No wonder, they use the same unit system.
21:53 <@preaction> that being said, i'm sure it's much like airlines: you only hear about the disasters
21:53 <@preaction> but comparing a space shuttle to an airplane is like comparing an amoeba to a human
21:53 <@preaction> er.. a human to an amoeba
21:54 < bernd_> Not sure if old NASA shuttles are rather the amoeba.
21:54 <+BartJol> strange, airplanes have more people in it
21:55 <@preaction> fewer moving parts though
21:55 <@preaction> you could build an airplane with no electronics, good luck building a space-capable vehicle with no electonics
21:55 <+BartJol> the russians hardly fail, but they put it in the extinguish pot
21:55 <@preaction> that can safely ferry a human being during its entire trip, i should add
21:56 < bernd_> You can build a rocket with pure chemistry!
21:58 <+BartJol> that will go up yeah..., I'd harldy feel safe haveing to get back again
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22:10 <@Haarg> bernd_, as far as i can tell having \374, \x{fc}, or ü in the .pm files should work the same
22:11 < bernd_> Hm, let me check again and create a screenshot.
22:11 < bernd_> Maybe it's not the translation server but a problem in the beta I was using.
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22:13 <@Haarg> well, there does seem to be a problem with how something is getting handled by the translation server, it just doesn't seem to be something that would lead to problems when used in webgui
22:14 < bernd_> Still I have seen those corrupted characters.
22:15 <+BartJol> it also happened with the spanish translation I remember
22:15 <+BartJol> but that's a while ago
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22:25 < bernd_> Haar, the problem still persists even after updating to head.
22:25 < bernd_> Haarg
22:26 < bernd_> I have the screenshot ready.
22:26 < bernd_> How can I send it to you?
22:26 <@Haarg> sure
22:26 < bernd_> But how?
22:26 <@Haarg> ah
22:26 <@Haarg> email will work
22:26 < bernd_> Is it possible via irc?
22:27 <@Haarg> graham@plainblack.com
22:27 < bernd_> Thanks :-)
22:27 < bernd_> I was just about to look it up.
22:27 <@Haarg> also, do you have the i18n modules available somewhere?
22:27 < bernd_> Yep. One moment...
22:29 < bernd_> The corresponding module is here: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m14939fb0
22:30 <@Haarg> that was created with translationserver.cgi ?
22:30 < bernd_> And here is the page source: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d587cdf7c
22:30 < bernd_> Haarg, yes!
22:30 < bernd_> But a local installation.
22:30 <@Haarg> modified any?
22:30 < bernd_> According to perlDreamers instructions.
22:30 < bernd_> No. Just the header lines.
22:30 <@Haarg> hrm
22:31 <@Haarg> that seems odd
22:31 <@Haarg> just a sec
22:31 < bernd_> Is there a problem with encodings?
22:31 < bernd_> Or is there a problem with webgui?
22:32 <@Haarg> it has double quotes
22:32 <@Haarg> data::dumper uses single quotes by default
22:32 < bernd_> Interesting.
22:32 <@Haarg> which leads me to think you are using a different version of translationserver.cgi or a different version of data::dumper
22:32 < bernd_> Let me see if that is true for other modules as well.
22:33 <@Haarg> try this:
22:33 <@Haarg> perl -mData::Dumper -e'print Data::Dumper->VERSION, "\n"'
22:34 < bernd_> 2.121_08
22:35 < bernd_> Older files seem to have the single quotes.
22:35 < bernd_> Only the new ones I created appear to be affected.
22:35 < bernd_> Is the version number correct?
22:36 <@Haarg> just a sec
22:36 < bernd_> The WRE I am using is 0.8.5
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22:37 <@Haarg> bleh
22:37 <@Haarg> i guess it is using double quotes now
22:37 <@Haarg> my bad
22:38 < bernd_> But what about encodings?
22:38 < bernd_> Are the correct ones being used?
22:38 < bernd_> Sorry for asking, but I know nothing about character encodings.
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22:40 < bernd_> I just noticed, that those question mark in diamond characters got replaced in the pastebin.
22:40 <@Haarg> well, it's using \374
22:40 < bernd_> Which is the perl encoding?
22:40 <@Haarg> essentially yes
22:40 < bernd_> And therefore correct?
22:41 <@Haarg> that should be correct as far as i can tell
22:41 < bernd_> So the conversion to utf-8 is no longer working?
22:42 < bernd_> Uh, I found something.
22:42 < bernd_> It is all converted to ISO-8859-1
22:42 <@Haarg> how so?
22:43 < bernd_> Changing the encoding manually in the browser solves the problem.
22:43 < bernd_> But why is that?
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22:43 < bernd_> Haarg, do you want another screenshot?
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22:47 <@Haarg> no
22:47 < bernd_> Anything else I can do?
22:48 < bernd_> Want the svn revision I am using=
22:48 < bernd_> ?
22:48 < bernd_> It is 9389 directly checked out from the repository,
22:49 < bernd_> running inside WRE 0.8.5
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22:54 < bernd_> Haarg, still working on this?
22:54 < bernd_> If not, I am going to bed now.
22:55 <@Haarg> i'm thinking about it - i don't need any more information from you
22:55 < bernd_> Good. Are you going to take care of the bug report?
22:56 <@Haarg> there's already the bug on the list for this
22:56 < bernd_> Alright.#
22:56 < bernd_> Good night then!
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23:05 <@Haarg> well, i may have found a solution
23:05 <@Haarg> i'm thinking the problem is due to utf8 vs UTF-8
23:06 <@Haarg> telling Data::Dumper to use the perl code instead of XS makes it work properly - it outputs byte sequences to the file
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23:06  * deafferret is distressed
23:07 <@preaction> that is the craziest thing i've heard
23:08 <@Haarg> \374 is an octal version of \x{fc} basically
23:08  * deafferret is also dysentarious
23:08 <@Haarg> the unicode code point for that character is U+00FC
23:09 <@Haarg> but the proper way to encode that as utf8 is \x{c3}\x{bb}
23:10 <@Haarg> since the code point fits in a single byte though, perl encodes it internally as a single byte sometimes
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23:42 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, that sounds like a beautiful solution
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23:42 <+perlDreamer> speed isn't necessary for that CGI in any case
23:42 <@Haarg> yeah
23:42 <@Haarg> should just be a matter of changing Useqq to Useperl
23:48 <+perlDreamer> do you want me to make that change and recommit, Haarg?
23:48 <@Haarg> sure
23:48 <@Haarg> it's basically working around a Data::Dumper bug
23:49 <@preaction> UPSTREAM!
23:49 <@Haarg> we don't have a real fix though
23:49 <@Haarg> and there is already a bug report for this
23:50 <@preaction> ... those slow jerks
23:50 <@Haarg> was reported 1.5 years ago
23:50 <@preaction> that like a million years in Internet time
23:50 <+perlDreamer> I hate developers that don't fix bugs fast!
23:51 <+perlDreamer> I mean, just who do those guys think they are, with their fancy, shmancy SVN access and all?
23:51  * preaction doesn't look at the oldest bug on the webgui list
23:51  * perlDreamer repents in sackcloth and ashes
23:52 <+perlDreamer> svn rev 9390, Haarg
23:53 <@Haarg> cool, thanks
23:53 <+perlDreamer> preaction, you haven't found out why $self->{_env} is not %ENV yet, have you?
23:54 <@preaction> perlDreamer: no cluesies
23:54 <+perlDreamer> that bug scares me
23:54 <@preaction> heh, you and me both man...
23:54 <+perlDreamer> although, it would explain several other random issues, like kristi's spectre bug
23:55 <+perlDreamer> where all of a sudden spectre decided that her IP address had changed
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23:57 <@Haarg> preaction, is that an intermittent problem or is it always happening?
23:58 <@preaction> Haarg: it was always happening
23:58 < perlmonkey21> in 7.6.10 does the assetManager show assets for everyone else?
23:58 <@preaction> perlmonkey21: it does for me, but only after spectre was done committing assets
23:59 < perlmonkey21> preaction: ah, so that's my problem on this new site.  After wreconsole created the site and I started it up, the logs showed that www.site.com.conf had some malformed json and spectre chokes.  Which is why I couldn't see the assets.
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00:00 <@preaction> i'll be here all week, try the veal!
00:00 <@preaction> if i were to add a "Global Head Tags" entry in the settings, would it go under "User Interface" or "Content"?
00:00 <@preaction> i would think UI would be more appropriate, since it has style templates inside it already
00:01 <@Haarg> preaction, does the Env macro not work for you?
00:01 <@preaction> Haarg: for my global head tags thing? 
00:01 <@preaction> my other thing isn't using the Env macro, it's in code
00:01 <@preaction> trying to do a setRedirect
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00:02 <@preaction> the global head tags thing is convenience for designers and admins, instead of having to add head tags to every single style template on the site (and then change them on every single style template on the site)
00:05 <@Haarg> i can't duplicate your issue with session->env vs ENV
00:05 <@preaction> damnit
00:05 <@preaction> even inside a WebGUI::Account module?
00:06 <@Haarg> i put some warnings at the top of WebGUI::Account::Inbox::www_view
00:07 <@preaction> sigh...
00:07 <@preaction> i dunno then
00:07 <@preaction> i mean, feel free to close as unable to duplicate. if i get into a situation where it happens again i'll try to see what more info i can gather
00:07 <+perlDreamer> preaction, is some custom code writing to the env object directly?
00:08 <@preaction> i doubt anyone would be that stupid, but it would be a good idea for me to check
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01:04 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, when you update the translation server on i18n.webgui.org, I'll close that bug on the trackers, http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9308
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01:11 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, can I talk through a spectre bug with you?
01:11 <@Haarg> sure
01:12 <+perlDreamer> It's this bug: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9302
01:12 <+perlDreamer> Holler after you've read it
01:13 <@Haarg> ok
01:14 <+perlDreamer> That error message comes from Operation/Spectre/spectreTest, which runs a bunch of tests
01:14 <+perlDreamer> the first thing it does it check to see if there are any subnet issues
01:14 <+perlDreamer> it uses $session->env->getIp
01:14 <+perlDreamer> That's the user's IP address
01:14 <+perlDreamer> but the Spectre connection is made by the _server_, which means that the check will always fail
01:15 <+perlDreamer> unless you're on the server when making the request, or in a valid subnet
01:15 <+perlDreamer> most of the time, this code is never called, since the subroutine is only invoked when Workflow::Instance tries to hand off a workflow to Spectre, when it runs too long
01:16 <+perlDreamer> Did all that make sense to you?
01:16 <@Haarg> yeah, give me a sec
01:17 <+perlDreamer> sorry, that's about 30 minutes of research condensed down to 4 minutes
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01:25 <@Haarg> ok
01:26 <@Haarg> so were you thinking of a specific fix?
01:26 <+perlDreamer> yes
01:27 <+perlDreamer> from the apache request object, pull the connection object, then use the ->local_ip method to get the server's IP address
01:28 <@Haarg> hmm
01:28 <@Haarg> i have a different thought
01:28 <+perlDreamer> okay
01:29 <@Haarg> seems like spectreTest should be treated like an api method and not do that checking at all
01:29 <@Haarg> move the tests into the www_ method
01:29 <+perlDreamer> the goal of spectreTest, iirc, is to tell the user whenever the server can't talk to spectre and try to tell them why
01:30 <@Haarg> yeah
01:30 <@Haarg> but 'the user' was initially only spectre
01:30 <+perlDreamer> no
01:30 <+perlDreamer> yess
01:31 <+perlDreamer> no
01:31 <+perlDreamer> Because before we had all realtime workflows, if the user hit commit, and couldn't talk to spectre, it really mucked up their site and wouldn't tell them why
01:31 <@Haarg> yeah, but there was never any feedback on that
01:32 <+perlDreamer> right, and now there is.
01:32 <+perlDreamer> I don't think we should change that
01:32 <@Haarg> yeah, but the user feedback part they just reused part of the api
01:32 <@Haarg> that wasn't designed for that usage
01:34 <+perlDreamer> that's true
01:34 <+perlDreamer> is there any way to compromise?
01:34 <+perlDreamer> can we make spectreTest aware of how/who is calling it?
01:34 <@Haarg> well, that check is meaningless outside the www_spectreTest method imo
01:35 <@Haarg> the macro looks busted as well
01:35 <+perlDreamer> it would be equally busted, since env->getIp would be the user's IP
01:35 <@Haarg> yeah
01:35 <@Haarg> and the feedback it gives is just wrong in that case
01:36 <@Haarg> in order to get the information it is looking for
01:36 <@Haarg> it would need to tell spectre to request something from webgue
01:37 <@Haarg> *webgui
01:37 <+perlDreamer> sure
01:37 <@Haarg> then have spectre hand the result of that back through the ikc connection
01:38 <+perlDreamer> which it won't do if the subnet connection is wrong?
01:38 <@Haarg> well, if we can't connect to spectre with ikc
01:39 <@Haarg> then it is down or misconfigured
01:39 <@Haarg> if we can connect, but it can't connect back to webgui via http
01:39 <@Haarg> then the subnet setting is wrong
01:40 <@Haarg> i don't know enough about poe to be able to do that though
01:40 <+perlDreamer> it already does something like that
01:40 <@Haarg> the spectreTest thing you mean?
01:40 <+perlDreamer> yes
01:41 <@Haarg> or somewhere else?
01:41 <+perlDreamer> see line 201 of Operation/Spectre
01:41 <@Haarg> it connects to spectre
01:41 <@Haarg> that's easy though
01:41 <@Haarg> the hard part is that spectre then has to make a web request, and return something to webgui based on that web request
01:42 <+perlDreamer> I see
01:42 <+perlDreamer> what if it called runTests?
01:42 <@Haarg> spectreTest as it is is correct for its past usage - spectre making sure it could connect
01:42 <+perlDreamer> from Spectre/Admin/runTests
01:43 <@Haarg> i don't think that would work well
01:43 <@Haarg> it would stop spectre while it did anything
01:44 <@Haarg> the correct way would probably be to use the POE HTTP stuff
01:44 <@Haarg> and i don't know how to get that working with the sending a response
01:48 <+perlDreamer> isn't that what spectre ping is doing
01:49 <+perlDreamer> and there are other methods that fetch data from WebGUI inside of Spectre.  to get the site data, for example
01:50 <@Haarg> yeah
01:50 <@Haarg> but again, that's using LWP
01:50 <@Haarg> it would need to use the POE stuff instead
01:50 <+perlDreamer> so that it doesn't block Spectre from doing its regular thing
01:50 <@Haarg> yeah
01:51 <+perlDreamer> I definitely see your point then.
01:52 <+perlDreamer> but isn't www_spectreTest exposed in the UI someplace?
01:52 <+perlDreamer> maybe I'm thinking of spectreStatus
01:52 <@Haarg> afaik spectreTest is only used by spectre itself
01:53 <+perlDreamer> you're right
01:53 <+perlDreamer> I'll pull the subnet check out of spectreTest, and drop it into www_spectreTest
01:53 <+perlDreamer> then all should be well
01:53 <@Haarg> well, better at least
01:53 <@Haarg> the macro will still be trying to report an error we have no way of detecting currently
01:54 <+perlDreamer> but once that test is pulled out of Operation::Spectre::spectreTest, it will never return that error code
01:55 <@Haarg> yeah
01:55 <@Haarg> which is better than what currently happens
01:55 <+perlDreamer> definitely
01:55 <@Haarg> but still not quite right
01:56 <+perlDreamer> do you think that the POE code would get executed quickly enough for the original HTTP request from the user not to timeout?
01:56 <@Haarg> probably
01:59 <+perlDreamer> Looks like POE::Component::Client::HTTP has an interface that looks like LWP
02:00 <@Haarg> yeah
02:00 <@Haarg> the interface is fine
02:00 <@Haarg> it's the async nature of the thing that i would have to read a bunch about to figure out
02:06 <+perlDreamer> then, even if we fix the immediate problem of using the wrong IP, we shouldn't close the bug until it all works
02:06 <+perlDreamer> or, we should close that bug, and open another as a placeholder so that it gets fixed at some point
02:07 <@Haarg> i think a new bug
02:07 <+perlDreamer> I'll do that then, and let you get back to work.
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02:16 <+perlDreamer> okay, I lied about letting you get back to work.
02:16 <+perlDreamer> Just to round up the WikiPage talk from last week, where user's could add/paste them in the wrong place.
02:16 <+perlDreamer> I fixed the add hole, too.
02:17 <+perlDreamer> Although, in the default UI, there's no button/link to add a WikiPage just any old place
02:19 <@Haarg> the thing i was thinging about though, is when would the rules for restricting paste ever be different from those restricting add?
02:20 <@Haarg> *thinking
02:20 <@Haarg> seems like there shouldn't need to be a canPaste method, because canAdd should already give you that information
02:23 <+perlDreamer> I did look at it, but decided that since it did a group check it was too stringent
02:25 <@Haarg> also, if i didn't mention it, WGDev should be in pretty good shape now - commands are documented and the interfaces should be pretty stable
02:26 <+perlDreamer> I'll add it to my TODO list for the week.
02:26 <+perlDreamer> It would be nice to have the templateFile folded into there
02:26 <@Haarg> if you can take a look at it (usage/code/docs/other) i'd appreciate it
02:26 <+perlDreamer> You bet.
02:26 <@Haarg> i have something along those lines in progress i think
02:27 < CIA-46> WebGUI: yung * r9392 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/MatrixCompare.pm): fixed #9635: Matrix - Add attributes not working
02:27 < CIA-46> WebGUI: colin * r9393 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/WikiPage.pm: Prevent WikiPages from being manually added to places where they shouldn't.
02:27 < CIA-46> WebGUI: colin * r9394 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Operation/Spectre.pm): 
02:27 < CIA-46> WebGUI: Fix the bad subnet checking in spectreTest. Subnet checks should only happen
02:27 < CIA-46> WebGUI: in www_spectreTest, until a way is found to round trip data in and out of spectre
02:27 < CIA-46> WebGUI: back to WebGUI. Documented how and where that should occur.
02:27 <@Haarg> it currently has a command for editting assets with an arbitrary command
02:27 <+perlDreamer> through the API, or the DB?
02:28 <@Haarg> well, it exports the asset to a file inspired by the past template upgrade format
02:28 <@Haarg> then runs a command against it, and reimports it when complete
02:29 <@Haarg> i have some in progress code for exporting to a directory tree and detecting changes for import/packaging
02:29 <+perlDreamer> oh, like a filter.  That's perfect.  If those are separable easily, then input, output and package are easy
02:29 <@Haarg> there's api methods for serializing/deserializing assets
02:30 <+perlDreamer> back to WikiPage, canAdd will also look at the config file for the addPrivsGroup for adding.  If we use canAdd, they would be able to paste as well.  Which is different from how it works now.
02:30 <+perlDreamer> But I don't know if that's bad.
02:30 <+perlDreamer> just different
02:31 <@Haarg> maybe they need to be two separate checks, but one as a permission check
02:31 <@Haarg> and the other as a system integrity check
02:31 <@Haarg> canAdd would use both
02:31 <@Haarg> pasting would only do the second
02:31 <+perlDreamer> so we'd still need canPaste then
02:31 <@Haarg> yeah
02:32 <+perlDreamer> I could add a ->validParent method.  Is that descriptive enough?
02:32 <+perlDreamer> paste would basically wrap that
02:32 <+perlDreamer> and canAdd would call it in addition to Asset's canAdd
02:32 <@Haarg> i think that sounds ok
02:33 <@Haarg> you mean ::Asset's canAdd would also call that?
02:34 <+perlDreamer> no, WikiPage's canAdd would
02:34 <@Haarg> hmm
02:34 <@Haarg> i was thinking it would be a general method
02:34 <+perlDreamer> Post and Thread would  use it
02:35 <+perlDreamer> BazaarItem
02:35 <@Haarg> can calendar
02:35 <@Haarg> *and
02:35 <+perlDreamer> for Events
02:35 <+perlDreamer> sure
02:35 <@Haarg> gallery
02:36 <+perlDreamer> okay, we'll do it that way.
02:36 <@Haarg> sounds good to me
02:36 <@Haarg> i'm heading home - i'll be on later
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03:52 < elnino> helooO!
03:52 < elnino> I have a folder asset with a lot of photos in it. And "all of a sudden" (I can't confirm this) our users are getting the following error: "stop running this script? a script on this page is causing interent explorer to run slowly if it continues to run, your computer my become unresponsive." ONLY when admin is turned on...
03:53 < elnino> I looked at the source of the html, and there are no unusal scripts running. It happens to me in IE7, and was about to try in firefox.
03:53 < elnino> any idea what to look at?  
03:53 < CIA-46> WebGUI: colin * r9395 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Help/Asset_Survey.pm i18n/English/Asset_Survey.pm): Fix a few broken help entries.
03:56 < elnino> I do get the error in FF2 as well.
04:01 < elnino> I've also changed the pagelayout to "failsafe" and it still happens, so it appears to be pointing at the "admin on"
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04:43 < elnino> when you do an asset proxy of an asset, I'm assuming it will be displayed using that asset's template. right?
04:45 <@preaction> yes
04:45 < elnino> good.
05:22 <+perlDreamer> "all of a sudden"
05:22 <+perlDreamer> elnino?
05:23 < elnino> yes. unfortunately. "all of a sudden"
05:23 <+perlDreamer> no upgrades?  no operating system changes?  no new folders added?
05:23 < elnino> correct.
05:23 < elnino> I wonder if they just added the 256th file to the folder.
05:25 <+perlDreamer> each level will hold 999,999 assets
05:25 < elnino> there are 10 pagination pages of assets in that folder (each being 25) plus 6 on the 11th page. so according to my math that is 256 files.
05:25 < elnino> well, ok. I just thought it was interesting that there were 256.
05:25 <+perlDreamer> and it can be 40 levels deep
05:25 < elnino> I guess that would not be it.
05:25 <+perlDreamer> besides, you just said that there were no new folders/assets added :)
05:26 < elnino> you didn't mention "assets"  =)  I just know there are no new folders.   
05:26 <+perlDreamer> ah, my bad
05:26 <+perlDreamer> I would check all recently added assets to that folder
05:26 <+perlDreamer> via the asset history, perhaps?
05:27 < elnino> I can do that.. 
05:27 < elnino> now?
05:27 <+perlDreamer> Immediately, without pause or delay?  What you got better stuff to do from what I order you to do?
05:28 <+perlDreamer> :)
05:28 < elnino> I'm doing popups.
05:28 <+perlDreamer> Are those like push-ups, or more like popovers?
05:28 <+perlDreamer> speaking of which, I have to go make breakfast cookies, bbl
05:29 < elnino> no, it's the "gray out the background and make a popup window (but not) with an enlarged photo shown in the middle of the screen" type thing.
05:29 < elnino> but popovers sounds really good right now.
05:29 < elnino> They want me to use <div>s and I hate those. withall the absolute and relative positioning junk.
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05:53 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, partial commit for general purpose add/paste protection almost ready
05:53 <+perlDreamer> I even ran the test suite this time
05:53 <+perlDreamer> which, embarrassingly, I should do more often
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06:10 < elnino> perlDreamer,  where is the templateID stored for assets? I don't see it in the ImageAsset table, nor any of the asset* tables.. do I get it from the wobject table?
06:12 <+perlDreamer> ImageAsset doesn't have a template?
06:13 < elnino> not according to http://www.webgui.org/dev/db-schema
06:13 < elnino> but I'll look directly.
06:14 <+perlDreamer> ah
06:14 <+perlDreamer> Image is a subclass of File
06:14 < elnino> ah.. ok.
06:14 <+perlDreamer> and File is where the templateId is stored
06:14 < elnino> and is there a way to make mysql not so case sensitive? drives me nuts.
06:14 <+perlDreamer> tab should do file complete in most places in the client
06:15 <+perlDreamer> but if you're writing code...
06:15 <+perlDreamer> no such luck
06:16 < elnino> I'm at the mysql prompt in linux.
06:16 < elnino> oh well. 
06:16 < elnino> how are the popovers? 
06:17 < elnino> perlDreamer, I've been looking at the image folder. large groups of images have been modified, on following dates: 2/2, 1/29, 12/10, and specifically I looked at templateids, image parameters, extra head tags. To see if anything suspicous appears. and didn't see anything.
06:17 <+perlDreamer> no popovers, I made breakfast cookies
06:18 < elnino> what are breakfast cookies?
06:18 <+perlDreamer> they're made with applesauce, oats, whole wheat flour, regular flour, some sugar, cinnamon, ground cloves, oatbran, dried cranberries and raisins
06:19 <+perlDreamer> oh, and two eggs and some butter
06:20 <+perlDreamer> very yummy
06:20 <+perlDreamer> and healthy
06:20 <+perlDreamer> just don't tell deafferret about it
06:20 < elnino> are they like homemade granola bars?
06:20 <+perlDreamer> not really.  They're a cookie for sure, but very light
06:21 < elnino> interesting. can you send me a recipe?
06:21 <+perlDreamer> Sure!
06:21 < elnino> djninow@yahoo.com
06:22 < elnino> cool. I'll have to try those. I love dried cranberries, and I have tons of oatmeal.
06:22 < elnino> thansk!
06:22 <+perlDreamer> You're welcome.
06:24 <+perlDreamer> would you also like our top secret chocolate waffle recipe?
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06:29 <+perlDreamer> It's on its way.
06:29 <+perlDreamer> I want to try it with some other dried fruits, too, like apricots or pineapple
06:29 < elnino> oh.. I can't do chocolate in the morning. Sounds good though.
06:29 <+perlDreamer> We serve them with strawberries and whipped cream
06:29 < elnino> costco has dried fruits cheap. Do you have costco or sams club where you are at?
06:30 <+perlDreamer> yes, Costco
06:30 < elnino> too rich.
06:30 <+perlDreamer> no Sams Club in Oregon
06:30 < elnino> costco's blueberries are GOOD.
06:30 <+perlDreamer> well, I also hear you can take two chocolate waffles, and put ice cream in the middle and make your own ice cream sandwiches
06:30 <+perlDreamer> not that I've _ever_ done that.
06:30 < elnino> oh. THAT sounds good.
06:31 < elnino> I dont' have a waffle machine. I think the batters are different...
06:31 <+perlDreamer> they are
06:31 < elnino> that's what I thought. =(
06:31 <+perlDreamer> if we try them in pancake format and it works, I'll give you a holler
06:32 < elnino> ok!
06:35 <+perlDreamer> is that page with the folders on it accessible to the outside world?
06:35 <+perlDreamer> I'm wondering if that's a windows problem, only
06:35 < elnino> well, It can be. =)
06:35 <+perlDreamer> because it's weird that firefox and IE give the same errors
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06:35 <+perlDreamer> knowmad!
06:35 < knowmad> hey, pd!
06:35 <+perlDreamer> how are things on the east coast?
06:35 < elnino> I also know that IE has a setting in the registray for how long to wait. I'll open it up.
06:36 < knowmad> wet and cold!
06:36 < knowmad> but we need the rain
06:36 <+perlDreamer> yeah, we do too
06:36 <+perlDreamer> I think we got a bunch of your snow this year
06:36 < knowmad> are you still in Seattle?
06:36 <+perlDreamer> Portland
06:36 < knowmad> oh, right
06:36 <+perlDreamer> Seattle is too rainy
06:36 < knowmad> yeah, i agree
06:37 < knowmad> so, i'm working on an sql report against data form (v7.5) and am wondering what to do with all the JSON encoded data...
06:38 < knowmad> i'm leaning towards using YUI to manipulate it but haven't messed with that much yet
06:38 < knowmad> anyone have suggestions?
06:39 < CIA-46> WebGUI: colin * r9396 /WebGUI/t/Shop/ShipDriver/FlatRate.t: Fix a leaking test.
06:39 < CIA-46> WebGUI: colin * r9397 /WebGUI/t/Shop/ShipDriver/FlatRate.t: Also leaking a version tag.
06:40 < elnino> not a clue
06:40 <+perlDreamer> I don't know that you'd need to use YUI, straight JS should do the trick
06:41 <+perlDreamer> maybe try wrapping that field in a script tag
06:41 <+perlDreamer> and go from there?
06:42 < knowmad> ok, i'll try straight js and see how that goes; i'll follow-up on the discussion list...
06:49 < elnino> perlDreamer, but like I mentioned, it onlyoccurs with "admin on" http://www.comtrol.com/products/images/photoshot
06:50 <@tavisto> hey elnino!
06:50 < elnino> hi....
06:50 <@tavisto> what's new?
06:51 < elnino> not much.
06:52 < elnino> I did hear back, my boss was confused, I asked about what, and that is about all that happened. =(
06:52 <@tavisto> well there's lots of stuff going on right now in my neck of the woods.. We have peeps from all over trying to learn about wG
06:52 < elnino> that's GREAT!
06:52 <@tavisto> most def
06:52 <@tavisto> ah success story.. yes.. so boss was confused about the success story?
06:52 < knowmad> hey tavisto! it looks like JT's going to have you flying all over the place as well
06:52 < elnino> apparantly. 
06:53 <@tavisto> hey knowmad, yeah we're doing 3-4 major gigs again this year
06:53 < knowmad> yeah, it looks like some good venues
06:53 <@tavisto> Ad:Tech will be cool, and I'm really excited about EduComm and a Dept of Defense one.. The govie one is the one I want to hit the most
06:53 <+perlDreamer> yeah, no problems for me, elnino
06:54 <@tavisto> how's the wG implementer biz going?
06:54 <@tavisto> well elnino, we'd appreciate it if you can wrangle your boss into a quick meeting or something... Anything to allow us to use that success story
06:54 < knowmad> we're doing fine; we have 3 new sites that have rolled out this year
06:54 <@tavisto> even if we have to change it so he/she is more comfortable
06:54 < knowmad> we ought to be sending you our Press Releases
06:55 <@tavisto> absolutely!
06:55 < knowmad> i'll put a word in to our PR firm to do that
06:55  * perlDreamer needs to learn about press releases
06:55 <@tavisto> Knowmad, I'm not sure if you've noticed or not
06:55 <@tavisto> but I added a "WebGUI in the News" page on webgui.org
06:55 <@tavisto> that's going to be a place specifically for that kind of stuff. And specific PR articles about wG
06:55 <+perlDreamer> elnino, I didn't see any pagination, either
06:55 < knowmad> oh, no, i hadn't; that will be great 
06:55 < elnino> perlDreamer, I suppose I can just move them to a file folder with a passthru. just weird.
06:56 <+perlDreamer> all assets on 1 page
06:56 <@tavisto> now that will also go into the partner success page when that program is ready
06:56 <@tavisto> I haven't heard much from the wG partners stuff in awhile
06:56 < elnino> the pagination is when in asset manager. That's how I counted them. =)
06:56 <+perlDreamer> oh
06:56 <+perlDreamer> I see
06:56 <+perlDreamer> makes sense
06:56 <@tavisto> in terms of it being rolled out. In the meantime, I want to move all current resellers/providers to a new page called "Affiliates or Providers"
06:56 < elnino> its a default folder template of images with default iamge templates.
06:57 <@tavisto> that way, when people look at success stories, the reseller/affiliates/providers will all be listed in their own category
06:57 <@tavisto> eventually, when the partner program is official then we'll name that page partners of course.
06:57 < knowmad> we've had some discussion; everyone is so damn busy!
06:57 < elnino> I wonder if the page is getting too "Heavy", and they are only going to get bigger images in there. that's a lot of load. I think.
06:57 < knowmad> great!
06:57 <@tavisto> I know, but we need to buckle down and just do it
06:57 <@tavisto> however, one thing that is a requirement
06:58 < knowmad> what's that?
06:58 <@tavisto> is success stories. we need to have enough business success stories so that we can take out the resellers and still have several available. Success stories are the HARDEST DANG THINGS TO GET
06:58 < elnino> sorry.
06:58 < knowmad> that's why we have a PR company
06:58 < elnino> I will call him.
06:58 <@tavisto> I've invested months of my life trying to wrangle them in... We've even hired a PR company and they're hitting the same obstacles
06:58 <@tavisto> elnino, I'm not yelling at you!
06:59 < elnino> =) I know.
06:59 < knowmad> is it approval or quotes or something else?
06:59 < elnino> approval.
06:59 <@tavisto> :) I'm yelling at the 20+ groups we've been grinding on that haven't even gotten as far as the interview for us (or the PR company) to create the stinkin success story
06:59 <@tavisto> currently, PB has 4 stories waiting for approval
06:59 <@tavisto> maybe 5 actually
07:00 < knowmad> we just make it up and let them approve or correct ;)
07:01 <@tavisto> University of MN Law, Comtrol, Fund for the Public Interest (which has 80 wG sites), and a government story 
07:01 <@tavisto> hah, knowmad I'm tempted to do that.
07:01 <@tavisto> I remember when I first joined PB in July 07, I figured I could wrap that up in 3 months... get like 20 of em
07:02 < knowmad> oof, that hurts to know they're still out
07:02 <@tavisto> but yeah, one of our requirements is to have success stories available in the business category and enough so that we can take out the resellers and move them to their own section. I can't do that until then
07:02 <@tavisto> knowmad, if you (or anyone else in here) has success stories with your clients, Plain Black will post yours as well. And then give credit to you in the success story of course :)
07:03 < knowmad> you've done that with the Midwest Heart story as well as us
07:03 < knowmad> we'll see what else we can get your way; the CCAC will prob be a good one
07:03 <@tavisto> The goal is to highlight that wG is being successfully deployed in a range of organizations. Thus validating the product so that they want to attend a webinar, call a sales guy, or download/evaluate the product.
07:03 < knowmad> hey, we're getting a monthly by-lined article in one of the local newspapers!
07:04 <@tavisto> sounds good. Send me whatever comes up
07:04 < knowmad> so we have to come up with material at least once a month -- the column is called "Web Solutions"
07:04 < knowmad> yeah, we'll do that
07:05 <@tavisto> excellent. Also if you have "WebGUI in the news" stuff, be sure to send it my way as well. We've been needing a section like that forever since the PB news section is good at eating old news stories (and hiding them)
07:05 < knowmad> i think that's a great idea
07:06 <@tavisto> we've got an analyst briefing on Thursday with Forrester. I'm hoping we'll make a good impression and be considered a major player in the OSS ECMS market
07:06 < knowmad> jmarsden is creating lots of potential news with the ubuntu work he's doing
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07:06 < knowmad> man, that would be great!
07:06 <@tavisto> yeah I've been following the dev emails. That's great!
07:06 < jmarsden> I heard that :)
07:06 <@tavisto> jmarsden, we've got friends at Ubuntu as well.
07:06 < knowmad> good ;)
07:07 <@tavisto> In my last meeting with them, I was told that they actually had WebGUI as one of the top 5 CMS choices for running Ubuntu.com
07:07 < knowmad> i've been following your threads in stealth mode; really appreciate your work on getting wG into Ubuntu
07:07 < jmarsden> Cool; any friends who are MOTUs?  If they can review my package on REVU that would really help out right now...
07:07 < knowmad> sorry, i'm not that connected with the Ubuntu devs; just an avid fan and user of the distro
07:08 < jmarsden> OK... I'll keep trying to get a couple of MOTUs interested into to do the review work.
07:08 <@tavisto> hehe... well, that's kind of what I was talking to them about. I think these guys are in the business development layer. I also have contact with Matthew Nuzum who's one of their webmasters. I'm on LinkedIn and if you want to hook up with him and chat, he's a cool dude.
07:08 <@tavisto> Maybe he'd have a good referral for you
07:08 < CIA-46> WebGUI: colin * r9398 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 4 dirs): 
07:08 < CIA-46> WebGUI: Prevent Event, WikiPage and Thread from being pasted places where they don't
07:08 < CIA-46> WebGUI: belong. This allows chained method calls to "getMyParent", getParent, getWiki, getCalendar, etc.
07:08 < CIA-46> WebGUI: to work.
07:08 < CIA-46> WebGUI: Adds the new canPaste and validParent method to Asset and AssetClipboard.
07:09 < jmarsden> Sounds good to me.
07:09 <+perlDreamer> if only we could get those fedora slackers going now, we'd have half the Linux world covered
07:09 <@tavisto> having wG in Debian and Ubuntu would be excellent marketing ammunition as well
07:10 <@tavisto> yep, I still have your email that talks about there only being 12 modules that would need to be repackaged?
07:10 < knowmad> yes! although i'll still use the WRE for our hosting, it's great to have it
07:10 < jmarsden> Let me get Debian/Ubuntu done first, then I can maybe look at an RPM package... it's been a few years since I did any RPM apckaging though...!
07:10 <+perlDreamer> the problem is that it's not just WebGUI, it's those other 12 modules
07:11 <+perlDreamer> and their prerequisites that all need packaging, too
07:11 < jmarsden> Perl modules from CPAN?
07:11 <+perlDreamer> yes
07:11 < jmarsden> OK.  I think there is a helper script for packaging CPAN stuff into RPMs out there...
07:13 <@tavisto> As WebGUI os fully GPLd I assume that you are looking to 
07:13 <@tavisto> provide paid support services or similar ?
07:13 <@tavisto> Because it is GPL'd we can provide access to Ubuntu users through the Partner 
07:13 <@tavisto> repo, but a pre-req for this is that there is a deb available, and that the 
07:13 <@tavisto> deb passes our quality and build standards. We can help with that for a 
07:13 < jmarsden> RPM::Make and cpan2rpm both show up in a quick Google search...
07:13 <@tavisto> charge.
07:13 <@tavisto> If you had a MOTU, someone with commit rights to the Ubuntu Universe 
07:13 <@tavisto> repository, then this would enable you to add and maintain with no recourse 
07:13 <@tavisto> to Canonical :-)
07:13 <@tavisto> that was the last email I had with Malcom Yates, he manages the ISV relationships
07:14 < jmarsden> Well, I'm sort of on my way to becoming a MOTU... in a few months, I hope... :)
07:14 <@tavisto> Malcom probably won't be as much help as Matthew. But I do think he'll be someone that can help you connect with a MOTU faster than coming in off the street
07:14 <@tavisto> oooh... well that works too!
07:14 < jmarsden> I hang out in #ubuntu-motu and help out... and in #ubuntu-server... slowly getting known there by those folks...
07:14 <@tavisto> that'll be worth some karma rewards, a t-shirt, and a news release on pb.com  :)
07:14 <@tavisto> what is the selection criteria? voted in?
07:15 < jmarsden> It's fairly complex, you submit a wiki page decribing the packaging you've done, then an online interview, then a vote by the council, I think it is.
07:16 < jmarsden> There are <100 MOTUs total worldwide at the moment...
07:16 <@tavisto> very cool.
07:16 < jmarsden> So getting webgui into Ubuntu will actually count towards by hoped-for MOTU-ness
07:16 < jmarsden> s/by/my/
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07:21 <@tavisto> 2 birds -- 1 stone
07:21 <@tavisto> in style.
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10:49 < CIA-46> WebGUI: with rest of wg.
10:49 < CIA-46> WebGUI: Also added Params::Validate validation.
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10:50 < CIA-46> WebGUI: consistency
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10:50 < CIA-46> WebGUI: Simplified some code, refactored out some C-isms.
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10:50 < CIA-46> WebGUI: consistency with SurveyJSON
10:50 < CIA-46> WebGUI: Added some more accessors/mutators, and param validation
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14:31 <+BartJol> plainhao: I must say, that your day-night rhytm is quiet peculiar
14:31  * plainhao smiles at bart.
14:32 <+BartJol> but thanks for the input on my bug
14:32 <@plainhao> no problem, i'd test it out myself, but i'm currently booked on a client right now.
14:33  * plainhao still needs to figure out how to run multiple versions of wre and wg at the same time...
14:33 <+BartJol> of the wre, that might be interesting
14:34 <+BartJol> I'm just glad that I got my translation server running on a different version from my installation
14:34 <+BartJol> but different roots should do the trick for you
14:34 <@plainhao> yes, indeed
14:34 <+BartJol> hopefully there's a global root setting
14:35 <@plainhao> right-o
14:35  * plainhao hopes to figure it out one day soon.
14:35 <+BartJol> well, that is quite unnessasary for me
14:35 <+BartJol> but a nice experiment\
14:36 <@plainhao> quite necessary for me, actually, since clients often run older versions, and i'd need to test fixes in different versions.
14:36 <+BartJol> ah
14:36  * plainhao is surprised no one has come up with instructions already.
14:36 <+BartJol> just make them upgrade
14:36 <@plainhao> hahaha
14:37 <+BartJol> that second amendment isn't for Jan with the short familyname
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14:39 <+BartJol> just threaten, the US have become big by threatening, why stop now?
14:39 < ryuu_ro> @BartJol great dutchism :)
14:39 <+BartJol> thanks
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15:47 < daviddelikat> Haarg: : do you know what specific version of WebGUI is running on the WebGUI site?
15:47 <+BartJol> latest stable
15:47 <+BartJol> beta I mean
15:47 < daviddelikat> so that would be 7.6?
15:47 <+BartJol> 7.6.10
15:47 < daviddelikat> the absolute latest?
15:48 < ryuu_ro> you can check the page source
15:48 <+BartJol> well, not nightly build
15:48 <+BartJol> or page info
15:48 < ryuu_ro> <meta name="generator" content="WebGUI 7.6.10" />
15:48 <+BartJol> it says what I say
15:48 < daviddelikat> ok thanks
15:48 <+BartJol> and it's kinda PB's policy to run latest beta
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17:07 < daviddelikat> tavisto: do you know if there is anything different about your uid on WebGUI?
17:07 < daviddelikat> i'm workign on 
17:07 < daviddelikat> http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9579 and it seems that ounly ~you~ are targetted by this unique behaviour.
17:08 <@tavisto> hmmm, well nothing is different as far as I know
17:09 < daviddelikat> are you able to see trhe pictures?
17:09 <@tavisto> I'll check and see
17:09 < chupacabra> webgui took over mysql and my other sites couldn't get to it.
17:09 < SDuensin> Greetings, all.
17:10 <@tavisto> I can see the thumbnail, but I am also redirected to a blank screen when I click on it
17:10 < daviddelikat> ok thats the same behaviour I'm getting.
17:11 < daviddelikat> do you use any odd settings in your pictures or albums?
17:11 < daviddelikat> that is anything besides default settings
17:15 <@tavisto> well I checked the album and don't see any crazy settings
17:16 < daviddelikat> ok thanks
17:16 <@tavisto> I have a feeling this was probably caused by some sort of beta bug back around the time I posted it. I can even see the larger version by clicking on slideshow
17:17 < daviddelikat> there are five pictures that you posted tho, and they all do the same thing
17:17 < daviddelikat> sorrry, four pictures
17:18 < daviddelikat> oh, I guess they were all posted the same day...
17:18 < daviddelikat> would you mind postinga picture today and see if it does the same?
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17:20 <@tavisto> sure, what albums would you like me to do that in
17:21 < daviddelikat> one of the two albums you alreadyt have is fine
17:22 < daviddelikat> how can i get gallary advanced search to give me anything on a date?
17:22 < daviddelikat> does it use wildcards in the text fields?
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17:30 < daviddelikat> dates do not work in album search
17:30 < daviddelikat> it says they were all created 12/31/69
17:30 <@tavisto> hmm.. yeah, not sure about that one
17:32 < daviddelikat> hows that picture posting?
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18:04 <@tavisto> hey daviddelikat, just posted a test pic under license plate club album
18:05 <@tavisto> sorry, have about a million things going on atm
18:05 < daviddelikat> no problem, thanks for your time.
18:05 <@Haarg> daviddelikat, it
18:05 < daviddelikat> tag?
18:05 <@Haarg> 's not a problem with things posted by tavis, it's a problem with images with keywords
18:06 <@Haarg> gallery used the 'keywords' template variable previously as an arrayref
18:06 <@Haarg> without initializing it
18:06 <@Haarg> the change to asset->get to add keywords means that now is broken
18:07 < daviddelikat> so if I add a keyword to an image it should break it...
18:08 <@tavisto> *tavisto watches as Grahams words fly right over his head*
18:08 <@Haarg> correct
18:08 <@tavisto> wooooosh
18:08 <@Haarg> just having it initialize as an arrayref before using it is probably the best solution
18:08  * daviddelikat is testing
18:09 < daviddelikat> yup, that did it.
18:09 <@Haarg> lib/WebGUI/Asset/File/GalleryFile.pm line 781
18:09 < daviddelikat> I'll work on impl that fix you mentioned...
18:09 <+BartJol> tavisto, it isn't actually magic you know!
18:09 < daviddelikat> oh come on it's magic
18:10 <@tavisto> ey' BartJol, how are you... you big girly man!
18:10 <+BartJol> me, girly, oh well, at leat I'm not metrosexual
18:10 <@tavisto> Metro Man and Girl Man
18:10 <+BartJol> except my cold, I am fine
18:10 <@tavisto> Girly Man
18:10 <@tavisto> I have one too.. it stinks
18:10 <+BartJol> looking forward to my new house and your visit
18:11 <+BartJol> and your beer drinking course
18:11 <+BartJol> since you suck at that, during the WUC you'll be able to say "I drink beer like a Dutchie!"
18:12 <+BartJol> all in a fortnight
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18:12 <+BartJol> but since when am I baptised "Girly man"?
18:14 <+BartJol> tavisto? I know you're busy, but don't just insult me and run away, we never run when we insult you
18:15 <+BartJol> it is way too much fun to see you fed up with being called metro
18:16 < Lisette> webgui support web services?
18:16 <+BartJol> oh and Koen is a father!
18:16 <@tavisto> BartJol, you have always been the big dutch girly man. This is not something new?
18:16 <+BartJol> Lisette: there WAS a webservices client wobject
18:16 <@tavisto> That's cool about Koen!!! Woohoo
18:16 <+BartJol> oh,ok hten
18:17 <+BartJol> it's a girl and she is called Emma
18:17 <+BartJol> I believe she can't program perl yet
18:17 <@tavisto> Ah good, not sure there's enough room in the world for 2 Koen
18:17 < Lisette> where i found?
18:17 <+BartJol> certainly not
18:18 <+BartJol> well Lisette I was talking past time, so probably it's hard to find
18:19 <+BartJol> It was in the menu with the new content stuff
18:21 <+BartJol> Lisette, in the changlog I see that Thingy should be able to behave like a Web Service
18:21 <+BartJol> but I don't know how it works
18:22 <+BartJol> or whether it is the same
18:26 <+BartJol> have to go, adieu!
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18:36 < daviddelikat> Haarg: so I noticed when I was digging into the gallary bug that picture dates on the advenced search page are all the same and also the date search does not work.
18:37 < daviddelikat> a) should I generate a bug report for this? b) shoud I go ahead and work on it?
18:37 <@Haarg> both sound good to me
18:37 < daviddelikat> ok
18:38 < daviddelikat> btw the keyword fix worked nicely...
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18:59 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, I'm going to fix up the AssetExport test today, then finish the Survey help.  If you want me to look at a bug instead, please give me a holler
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19:04 <+perlDreamer> using bash, how do I redirect stderr and stdout from 1 command into a file?
19:04 < daviddelikat> ls > file 2>&1 # I think this works in bash
19:05 <+perlDreamer> I tried this: perl someTest 2>&1 > file
19:05 <+perlDreamer> and I still get stderr in the terminal
19:05 <+perlDreamer> I'll reorder and try again
19:05 < daviddelikat> you have to put '1>file' first because 2>&1 is just an assignment
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19:07 < daviddelikat> kind of like saying stderr = stdout  then stdout = filedes(somefile)
19:07 <+perlDreamer> thanks, daviddelikat!  that works.
19:07 < daviddelikat> np
19:11 < CIA-46> WebGUI: daviddelikat * r9406 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): initialize keyword field in GalleryFile.pm because get fills it in now due to a recent code change
19:11 < CIA-46> WebGUI: daviddelikat * r9407 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): initialize keyword field in GalleryFile.pm because get fills it in now due to a recent code change
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19:52 <+perlDreamer> daviddelikat, we're not making any more changes to 7.5
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19:55 < daviddelikat> oops
19:55 < daviddelikat> I didn't getthat memo
19:58 <+perlDreamer> not a problem, just save you some backporting in the future
19:58 < daviddelikat> thanks
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20:07 < deafferret> lazyweb/win 22
20:07 < deafferret> oops
20:07 <+perlDreamer> ww
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21:41 < topsub> When i am calling $session->datetime->epochToHuman when i send it a $date_format can i send a comman to it to seperate it?
21:42 < topsub> i can't seem to get a comman to insert to separate the output.. So instead of Feb 02 2009 i can get Feb 02, 2009
21:43 < _elnino_> did you try to escape it with a slash?
21:43 < _elnino_> I don't think youshould have to though.
21:43 < topsub> ah. i didn't think i would have to escape it.. Let me try that
21:43 < _elnino_> make sure to surround the format with quotes of some sort.
21:44 < topsub> $date_format = '%c %D\, %y';. should i use double?
21:45 < _elnino_> no, that should be fine, just as long as it's surrounded, and it proably would have yelled at you if you didn't. And I'mreally surprised if you have to escape a comma, but maybe it'll work..
21:46 < topsub> arg. i got it, i was doing it in the wrong place
21:46 < topsub> This macro has been refactor'd so many times... thanks _elnino
21:47 < _elnino_> no problem. I don't think I helped any. =)
21:47 < topsub> eh you did input which is enough for me
21:47 < topsub> to confirm i can use a comman
21:47 < _elnino_> YAY!
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22:22 < wgGuest15> reyqe
22:22 < wgGuest15> ery
22:22 < wgGuest15> aefga
22:22 < wgGuest15> hrwtj
22:22 < wgGuest15> hello
22:22 < wgGuest15> how is everyone
22:22 < wgGuest15> ddddddd
22:22 < wgGuest15> d
22:22 < wgGuest15> dd
22:22 < wgGuest15> d
22:22 < wgGuest15> d
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22:22 < wgGuest15> d
22:23 < wgGuest15> anyone there?
22:23 <@bpmedley> what's up?
22:24 < _elnino_> hi.
22:24 <+perlDreamer> wgGuest, are you having keyboard problems?
22:28 < _elnino_> hello wgGuest15?
22:33 <+perlDreamer> bake any cookies yet, _elnino_?
22:34 < wgGuest15> asdfad
22:34 < wgGuest15> dfasdfzs
22:34 < _elnino_> I was thinking about it, I was telling tavisto, I ahve all the time in the world now too. economy hit me today.
22:34 <+perlDreamer> oh no!
22:35 <+perlDreamer> I'm so sorry, _elnino_.
22:36 < _elnino_> That's alright. Now I can finish off some projects at home before #2. and webgui has my full attention.
22:36  * perlDreamer prepares for a blast of bugs
22:36 < _elnino_> =)
22:42 <+perlDreamer> Is your husband still working?
22:44 < _elnino_> as far as I know =)  he's got two, he's in the guard and works for a school district. School district is in the middle of a 7 million cut. His boss says that he's there to stay. 
22:44 < _elnino_> my company laid off 25% of personell. ouch.
22:44 <+perlDreamer> 25%?  That's huge!
22:46 < _elnino_> we *were* a 60 person company.. list was crazy, they got rid of meat instead of fat. Our best sales guy, best of  marketing, 2/3 of IT and 1/2 software enginering. managmeent, hw enginnering and blood relative and friends stayed.
22:46 < _elnino_> crazy.
22:46 <+perlDreamer> sounds pretty sycophantic
22:49 < _elnino_> it's a private company, things like that happens. You get used to it.
22:49 < wgGuest15> asddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd
22:49 < wgGuest15> ddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
22:49 < _elnino_> I think wgGuest15's cat just laid down on his keyboard.
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22:51  * deafferret is not an op  :(
22:52 < _elnino_> define op
22:52 < deafferret> /mode +o deafferret
22:52 <+perlDreamer> Someone with a star next to their name, short for channel operator
22:52 < deafferret> /kick wgGuest15 
22:52 <+perlDreamer> they have to power to kick people out of the channel, ban people, change status of people
22:52 <+perlDreamer> kind of like IRC sysadmins
22:53 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, AssetExportHtml and i18n/help are passing, moving on to hardcoded extras, and then probably to dotted assetIds
22:53 <@Haarg> nice
22:53 <+perlDreamer> time to learn about wgdev :)
22:58 < CIA-46> WebGUI: colin * r9409 /WebGUI/t/Asset/AssetExportHtml.t: 
22:58 < CIA-46> WebGUI: Remove tests for file content that do not work because files stream.
22:58 < CIA-46> WebGUI: Update error message in test to match how the code works.
22:58 < CIA-46> WebGUI: colin * r9410 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Help/Asset_Survey.pm: Remove old help for the survey that is broken, and not used anymore.
23:18 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, when I run wgd edit templateUrl, it tells me that there are no assets to edit and dies
23:18 <@Haarg> is there a specific template you are trying?
23:18 <+perlDreamer> /root/import/survey/default-survey-edit
23:19 <+perlDreamer> the thing is that it's checking against @_, which is empty for that sub
23:19 <@Haarg> ah
23:19 <@Haarg> yeah, should be $self->arguments
23:19 <+perlDreamer> and the check moved up before it accesses $self->argument?
23:21 <@Haarg> actually
23:21 <@Haarg> it should be @files in there
23:21 <@Haarg> in the check that is
23:22 <+perlDreamer> you want a patch for that?
23:23 <@Haarg> nah, i've got it
23:23 <+perlDreamer> cool.
23:23 <+perlDreamer> I feel like I walked into Home Depot for WebGUI
23:23 <+perlDreamer> wgd is so flexible and powerful
23:23 <@Haarg> http://github.com/haarg/wgdev/commit/5b92fede397edda4d7662da137a76a225b387732
23:23 <@Haarg> i rather like it :)
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23:27 <+perlDreamer> title and meta tags go _inside_ the head block, right?
23:28 <@Haarg> yes
23:33 <+perlDreamer> something in the template parser is making YAML puke
23:34 <+perlDreamer> it's not adding a newline to the end of the YAML section
23:34 <+perlDreamer> in the serializer
23:35 <@Haarg> hmm
23:35 <@Haarg> it doesn't puke for me
23:36 <+perlDreamer> maybe I'm having YAML problems
23:36 <@Haarg> it could be the yaml version yeah
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23:36 <+perlDreamer> I have YAML.pm, 0.66
23:36 < SynQ> I bring good news
23:37 <+perlDreamer> WebgUI is in Ubuntu?
23:37 <@Haarg> try installing YAML::XS
23:37 < SynQ> I have a daughter named Emma!
23:37 <+perlDreamer> Since WGDev tries to be YAML agnostic, how about a check and conditional newline append?
23:37 <+perlDreamer> whoa!
23:37 <+perlDreamer> Congratulations, SynQ
23:37 <@Haarg> congrats SynQ
23:37 < SynQ> thanks
23:38  * SynQ very very proud
23:38 <+perlDreamer> Pictures?
23:38 < SynQ> no pictures yet
23:38 <+perlDreamer> Tessa come through okay?
23:38 < SynQ> haven't had any time yet
23:38 < SynQ> Tessa is fine
23:38 <+perlDreamer> how is Koen doing?
23:38 <@Haarg> yeah, i'm going to double check to make sure it works with all the yaml modules it tries to use
23:38 < SynQ> bit tired of course
23:38 < SynQ> but so am I (tired)
23:39 <+perlDreamer> just remember, they smile and giggle when you undo the diaper because they are going to try and crap all over you
23:39 < SynQ> this was the first chance I got to touch my computer
23:40 <+perlDreamer> when was she born?
23:40 < SynQ> perlDreamer: I know
23:40 < SynQ> yesterday five to three
23:40 < SynQ> so 32 hours ago
23:41 <+perlDreamer> awesome, SynQ.
23:41 < SynQ> I'll have pictures on line by the weekend I think
23:41 < SynQ> think/hope
23:41 < SynQ> she has her own domain name
23:41 < SynQ> emmadejonge.nl
23:41 < SynQ> it will be a webgui site of course
23:42 < SynQ> the best platform to build a site about and for your offspring :)
23:44 <+perlDreamer> undoubtedly
23:44 < SynQ> I'm gonna take a Emma with Gooey picture every week
23:44 < SynQ> and e-mail the url to JT :P
23:44 < SynQ> ok
23:45 < SynQ> gotta run
23:45 < SynQ> later
23:45 <+perlDreamer> see you!
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23:46 <@Haarg> perlDreamer, can you try installing YAML::XS until i can fix it properly?
23:46 <+perlDreamer> i think so
23:47  * perlDreamer breaks out yum FTW
23:47 <@Haarg> it will be nice when the next rev of YAML comes out
23:47 <@Haarg> it's going to work like JSON does, using the XS version if possible, and falling back on the perl version
23:48 <+perlDreamer> nice.  So I gotta ask, why did you choose YAML over JSON?
23:48 <@Haarg> prettier :)
23:49 <@Haarg> since the idea was for it to be human edittable i wanted something more readable
23:49 <@Haarg> i'm still not certain if i want to change the whole serialized format
23:49 <+perlDreamer> It's not bad, quite readable
23:49 <@Haarg> yeah
23:50 <@Haarg> i'd like if we could have something universal though
23:50 <@Haarg> for wgfs and such as well
23:51 < topsub> How can i edit email template that are sent to a user when they buy something? i can't seem to find it
23:52 <+perlDreamer> that's the email confirmation in the ITransact plugin
23:52 <+perlDreamer> so Admin -> Shop -> Pay Drivers
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00:01 <+perlDreamer> looks like I need to write a bad gateway macro test, too
00:02 <+perlDreamer> seeing lots of ^/;assetUrl
00:02 < jlittlewood> hi folks. I'm trying to figure something out with users/groups and ldap
00:03 < jlittlewood> not a technical issue really, but a, well, issue of how to best make something happen
00:03 < jlittlewood> we've got it set up so that the login is thru ldap, and only people in ldap can login
00:03 < jlittlewood> but we want them to get automatically entered into a specific webGUI group
00:03 < jlittlewood> and we don't want to change our ldap set up
00:04 < jlittlewood> so I used the ^GroupAdd(); macro to put a little link on the login page
00:04 < jlittlewood> but it's a little unseemingly there
00:04 < jlittlewood> anyway to get webgui to add someone to a group as soon as they log in, no other steps necessary?
00:05 <+perlDreamer> Do you mean login, or register?
00:05 < jlittlewood> login
00:05 < jlittlewood> they are already in ldap
00:05 < jlittlewood> or am I missing your question?
00:05 < jlittlewood> this is a staff-only page
00:05 <+perlDreamer> well, people will login several times per week, so it would keep adding them to your group
00:05 <+perlDreamer> I guess that's not bad
00:06 < jlittlewood> but they'd already be in there, right?
00:06 <+perlDreamer> sure
00:07 <+perlDreamer> In the WebGUI config file, there is an entry for runOnLogin.  I think it will do what you want.
00:07 < jlittlewood> hunh!
00:07 < jlittlewood> cool
00:07 < jlittlewood> what can I make it do?
00:07 <+perlDreamer> it will run a script when the user logs in
00:07 < _elnino_> OOH I just read about this in the admin book.. There is something in settings that will auto register ldap employees....
00:07 < jlittlewood> aha
00:08 < _elnino_> want me to go find it?
00:08 <@Haarg> macros are processed in the runOnLogin command
00:08 <+perlDreamer> No just tease him a little more so he goes out and buys a book ;)
00:08 < jlittlewood> haha
00:08 < jlittlewood> I have it
00:08 < jlittlewood> I didn't think to look in the config
00:08 < _elnino_> It's a *NICE* feature!
00:08 <@Haarg> so that's how you can pass the username/uid/anything else to the script
00:09 < _elnino_> there's two radio buttons, enable both, and you'll get what you want I believe.
00:09 <@Haarg> he already has that i believe
00:09 < jlittlewood> yeah, this is the next step to make it seemless
00:09 < jlittlewood> seamless
00:09 <@Haarg> i'm not sure i understand the problem though
00:09 <@Haarg> if only ldap users can log in
00:10 < jlittlewood> but on the site
00:10 <@Haarg> and you want them all to be in a group
00:10 < jlittlewood> there will be a mix of "everyone" accessable pages
00:10 < jlittlewood> and "staff" accessible pages
00:10 <@Haarg> how would that be different from the registered users group?
00:10 < _elnino_> you can build groups based off of ldap groups.
00:10 < jlittlewood> if we allow posts on blogs, etc
00:10 < jlittlewood> wouldn't they also be registered users?
00:11 <@Haarg> well, you can allow visitors to post to blogs
00:11 < _elnino_> anyone/everyone who logs in, is is considered a registered user.
00:11 <@Haarg> but you said only ldap users could log in
00:11 < jlittlewood> no, you are right
00:11 < _elnino_> everyone is "public" and "registered user"
00:11 < jlittlewood> hmm
00:12 < _elnino_> I'll restate that differently: the "everyone" group includes  "public" and "registered users"
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00:12 < jlittlewood> word, that might be just the ticket
00:12 < jlittlewood> you people rock my world sometimes
00:18 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, hardcoded extras are all fixed, while I'm in this mode, I'm going to make a test for bad gateway macros next.
00:25 < CIA-46> WebGUI: colin * r9411 /WebGUI/t/hardcodedExtras.t: Make test pass when there are no failures. Yes, it does seem strange.
00:25 < CIA-46> WebGUI: colin * r9412 /WebGUI/docs/ (8 files in 2 dirs): Fix hardcoded extras URLs in templates and in extra head tags in assets.
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00:29 <+perlDreamer> heh
00:30 <+perlDreamer> we already have a test for the gateway macros, but it was looking for them in the headBlock :/
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00:30 <+perlDreamer> fixed the test, and upgraded 4 more templates
00:30 <+perlDreamer> time to look at dotted assetIds
00:31 <+perlDreamer> it seems like we should have a check someplace for valid assetIds when they are passed in to be created.
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00:43 <+perlDreamer> Haarg: I'm thinking of just using copy/paste to fix the assetIds.  Copy, paste, then delete the original.
00:43 <+perlDreamer> however, doing that will lose the version history and asset history
00:43 <+perlDreamer> any concerns with that?
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00:43 <@Haarg> let me check one thing
00:44 <+perlDreamer> ok
00:45 <@Haarg> is there a reason you want to avoid using sql directly?
00:45 <@Haarg> it's not very pretty
00:45 <@Haarg> but you'll have to update anything using the templates as well
00:46 <+perlDreamer> yeah, that has to be done in any case
00:46 <+perlDreamer> I was thinking laziness
00:46 <+perlDreamer> copy/paste will update all asset tables for me
00:47 <@Haarg> well, upgrade_7.6.0-7.6.1.pl fixShortAssetIds uses sql directly
00:47 <@Haarg> although i missed assetHistory
00:48 <+perlDreamer> and believe it or not, there are no templates with dotted assetIds
00:48 <+perlDreamer> just Snippets (referenced by url)
00:48 <+perlDreamer> oh,
00:48 <+perlDreamer> which means that copy/paste will break tht
00:48 <+perlDreamer> I'll use SQL
00:48 <+perlDreamer> there are only 4 types of assets that need to be fixed
00:48 <+perlDreamer> Navigation, Folder, Snippet and Image
00:49 <+perlDreamer> so just a handful of tables
00:49 <@Haarg> hmm
00:49 <@Haarg> folder will be tricky
00:49 <@Haarg> well, not tricky
00:49 <@Haarg> but you'll have to hit parentId in asset as well
00:50 <+perlDreamer> Yes.
00:50 <@Haarg> lineage shouldn't need to be rebuilt though
00:50 <+perlDreamer> no, that should be fine
00:51 <+perlDreamer> we could break AssetProxy's though, since you can optionally specify an assetId for that
00:52 <+perlDreamer> I don't think anything in the core does that, though
00:52 <@Haarg> that's a new feature as well, so i'm not too worried
00:52 <@Haarg> and i doubt you'd be assetproxying any of that stuff
00:53 <+perlDreamer> maybe the navigations, but not the folder, Images or snippets
00:53 <+perlDreamer> well, maybe the snippets
00:55 < CIA-46> WebGUI: colin * r9413 /WebGUI/t/templateChecker.t: 
00:55 < CIA-46> WebGUI: Update the templateChecker test to look at extra head tags instead of the defunct
00:55 < CIA-46> WebGUI: headBlock. Add URL to the output to make working with wgd easy.
00:55 < CIA-46> WebGUI: colin * r9414 /WebGUI/docs/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Fix broken gateway macros. ^/;file does not work with prevent proxy cache.
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00:57 <+perlDreamer> patspam, There are more De Jonge's in the world today :)
00:58 <+perlDreamer> Koen has a new baby daughter, Emma
01:00 < _elnino_> does synq=koen?
01:01 <+perlDreamer> Yes
01:01 < patspam> ah fantastic!
01:01 <+perlDreamer> He was the tall, skinny fellow from The Netherlands
01:01 < patspam> she kept him waiting a while :)
01:01 <+perlDreamer> was she late?
01:01 < patspam> yeah I think she was expected last week
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01:02 <+perlDreamer> that's not bad
01:02 <+perlDreamer> they have a variance of +/- 2 weeks easily
01:02 <+perlDreamer> s/variance/spread/
01:03 <+perlDreamer> I'm learning far more than I ever expected, since Kathy is trying to go to midwife school.
01:04 < patspam> awesome, such an important job
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01:18 < metanil> what makes WebGUI better than other popular CMS like Drupal, Joomla??  ( I came up with only one answer.. i.e. i like perl.. but are there any other reasons?)
01:20 < deafferret> metanil: you don't like Python?  ;)
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01:20 < deafferret> metanil: (Hi! I'm Jay Hannah)
01:21 < metanil> hey jay.. whats up?
01:21 < deafferret> Just working and waiting for perlDreamer to excercise
01:21 < metanil> (see i sometime come up with weird question in this room). ;)
01:21  * perlDreamer already snuck out, deafferret!
01:21 < deafferret> :)
01:22 < deafferret> "jhannah" was already registered to some bone-head (probably me years ago), and I couldn't convince NickServ to hand it to me
01:22 <+perlDreamer> so how did you come up with "deafferret" as a nick?
01:22 < deafferret> I had a deaf ferret in college.
01:22 < metanil> cool! 
01:23 < metanil> :D
01:23 < deafferret> he was hard to scare when sleeping  :)
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01:24 <+perlDreamer> tavisto, what makes WebGUI better than the PHP set of CMSes? (Drupal, Joomla, etc.)
01:24 <@tavisto> *tavisto punches perlDreamer in the head for asking a dumb question*
01:24  * perlDreamer is just a dumb perl hacker who has never looked at the others
01:25 <+perlDreamer> back in 2001, if one used PHP one was asking for hackage
01:25 < metanil> same here.
01:25 <@tavisto> perlDreamer, I can't say that WebGUI is better than php CMSes solely because of the language
01:25 < metanil> perlDreamer: just forward that punch to me sent by tavisto
01:26 <@tavisto> I'll let you developers argue about that
01:26 < deafferret> Drupal doesn't hand out purple octopii at Yet Another Perl Conferences...
01:26 <@tavisto> One big difference that I can tell you about is the core software functionality
01:27 <@tavisto> Joomla and Drupal use a minimal core package and then require you to install lots of 3rd party goodies
01:27 < metanil> yeah i have that purple octopus in my desk.
01:27 < deafferret> *in*?? Gooey can't breathe! He must be displayed proudly *on* your desk!
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01:28 <@tavisto> these third party goodies (aka plug-ins o' death) are a major pain to keep updated, and often times do not necessarily come from certified sources
01:28 < metanil> in => on
01:28 <@tavisto> and, if the maintainer decides to stop upgrading the wiki module, and you upgrade your core, well... you may or may not have a working wiki
01:28 < metanil> actually ON my speaker
01:29 < metanil> tavisto: true.
01:29 <@tavisto> WebGUI includes all of the applications in the core software, therefore upgrades are easy and do not require you to manage 30 plugins each time you do it
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01:30 <@tavisto> other differences... I'm told Joomla and Drupal api's and such is much more chaotic because of the huge # of devs working on just about everything
01:30 <@tavisto> but again I only soak up stuff I hear from WebGUI peeps. So maybe that's untrue and/or biased. :)
01:31 < metanil> seems like true to me.. 
01:31 < metanil> (may be because i am already get used to webgui)
01:32 <@tavisto> Drupal now has a commercially supported version of their product now. It's serviced through that {Aquios) company or whatever it is
01:32 <@tavisto> However, a good portion of the PHP community CMSes out there don't have a centralized company behind them. If something is only community based, it's not going to cut it in the enterprise (where you need guaranteed service levels)
01:33 <+Radix-wrk> One advantage all of those php ones have is ease of installation - you can pick prettymuch any hosting account and install them.  That's probably one of the biggest issues with WebGUI when it comes to convincing people to go with it.
01:34 <+Radix-wrk> I love webgui, but that one is what is preventing it from hitting mainstream imho
01:34 <+perlDreamer> Radix-wrk, in that case, it's not just WebGUI, it would be any modperl app.
01:35 <+Radix-wrk> until it's available via cpanel or plesk or whatever else is used by hosting accounts, it's going to get limited use in comparison
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01:44 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, dotted assetIds fixed
01:44 <+perlDreamer> where next?
01:44 <@Haarg> cool
01:45 <@Haarg> i don't know, i'm working on improving the upgrade script atm
01:45 < patspam> heh sorry, Helen turned on my laptop which started competiting with me for my irc login
01:45 <+perlDreamer> "Helen"?
01:45 < deafferret> patspam death match!
01:46 < patspam> helen = my partner
01:49 <@preaction_> like, tag-team partner? are you a wrestler?
01:50 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, I'll try the Survey gateway problem next.
01:50 <+perlDreamer> We're running out of core bugs to work on
01:55 < patspam> heh, i have cycling bib-knicks that look like the greco-roman wrestling costume
02:00 < CIA-46> WebGUI: graham * r9415 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed #9542: Default WebGUI config contains invalid workflow activity
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02:28 <@Haarg> perlDreamer, you have any luck with that survey issue?
02:28 <+perlDreamer> some
02:29 <+perlDreamer> I have determined that the problem is in javascript
02:29 <@Haarg> fun
02:29 <+perlDreamer> and I just turned on firebug to test it
02:29 < patspam> perlDreamer: i might be able to help with that
02:30 < patspam> will be back in 30mins if you're still working on it
02:30 < CIA-46> WebGUI: graham * r9415 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed #9542: Default WebGUI config contains invalid workflow activity
02:30 < CIA-46> WebGUI: colin * r9416 /WebGUI/docs/ (changelog/7.x.x.txt upgrades/upgrade_7.6.10-7.6.11.pl): 
02:30 < CIA-46> WebGUI: Fix dotted assetIds in the database for the WebGUI 7 Style snippets, navigations,
02:30 < CIA-46> WebGUI: folder and Image assets.
02:30 < CIA-46> WebGUI: graham * r9417 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt sbin/upgrade.pl): fixed #9623: preload.custom paths not included during upgrade
02:30 < CIA-46> WebGUI: graham * r9418 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Revert last two commits, no more development of WebGUI 7.5
02:30 < CIA-46> WebGUI: patspam * r9419 /branch/survey-rfe/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ (SurveyJSON.pm ResponseJSON.pm): 
02:30 <+perlDreamer> it's the administersurvery javascript, and administersurvey/comm.js
02:30 < CIA-46> WebGUI: Refactored createSurveyOrder in ResponseJSON
02:30 < CIA-46> WebGUI: Added lastSectionIndex, lastQuestionIndex, lastAswerIndex convenience
02:30 < CIA-46> WebGUI: methods to SurveyJSON to simplify iterations over Sections, Questions
02:30 < CIA-46> WebGUI: and Answers
02:30 < CIA-46> WebGUI: patspam * r9420 /branch/survey-rfe/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ResponseJSON.pm: Improved createSurveyOrder documentation, and made perlcritic happy
02:30 < patspam> from memory survey used to write out the gateway url to a js variable on the page
02:31 < patspam> it was pretty hacky. not sure if your bug is related to that
02:31 <+perlDreamer> in this case, the gateway is ignored completely
02:32 <+perlDreamer> when submitting data from a page in the survey
02:32 < patspam> yep, i think the js gateway variable isn't being used atm
02:32 < patspam> maybe put that hack back in, and then I'll replace it with a clean solution when i get to the Javascript in my survey refactoring (halfway through the perl code atm)
02:34 < patspam> bbl
02:41 <+perlDreamer> how do I setup a WebGUI server with a non-slash gateway URL?
02:49 <@preaction_> edit the gatewayUrl in the config file, and put the webgui modperl directives in a <Location /gatewayUrl> block
02:50 <+perlDreamer> would you believe that all the old URLs still work?
02:51 <+perlDreamer> now I can go to /site_map, or gate/site_map and both work
02:51 <@Haarg> not really a suprize
02:51 <@preaction_> did you remove the webgui modperl directives from outside that location block? if not, then yes
02:52 <@preaction_> in fact, i think gatewayUrl is really only used to create URLs with, webgui doesn't do any checking using it (it tries to remove it if it's there, but if it's not it doesn't care)
02:53 <@Haarg> you could always blacklist urls using a rewrite rule since you only need this for testing
02:53 <@Haarg> we're currently at 2 pages + 1 bug
02:53 <@Haarg> and one of those bugs is something i'll fix as part of the release process
02:54 <+perlDreamer> how many of those are core bugs, and how many are bazaar, bugboard, webgui.org bugs?
02:54 <+perlDreamer> oh, and two translation bugs
02:54 <+perlDreamer> one of which I think we fixed by moving D::Dumper to using pureperl
02:54 <+perlDreamer> but needs to be tested
02:54 <@preaction_> once stuff settles down on my current project, i'll be hammering out helpdesk bugs and rfes, that thing has officially pissed me off for the last time
02:55 <@preaction_> it is destroying me and my programmers' efficiency
02:56 <@preaction_> also, if i were to create some webgui API quick-reference pages, which one would you two like first?
02:56 <@preaction_> i'm thinking that building forms would be the best, or users and groups
02:56 <@Haarg> i count around 20 core bugs
02:57 <@Haarg> is this for anything in particular?
02:58 <+perlDreamer> I had been thinking there were only about 8
02:58 <+perlDreamer> but obviously I miscounted badly
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02:58 <@preaction_> another one could be "Content" (content and URL handlers + the Asset API)
02:59 <@preaction_> i mean, how often have we looked at the API as a whole and seen what's really there?
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02:59 <+perlDreamer> you don't write tests very often, do you? :)
03:00 <@Haarg> not long ago i wrote a quick overview of the package and api
03:00 <@preaction_> heh, i don't work on core very often, but even then we're only looking at part of the whole
03:00 <@Haarg> mainly going over the various parts of the api, nothing about how to use each part
03:01 <@preaction_> my two ideas are: quick-ref sheets and a "WebGUI Module Map" detailing what parts are there, which are API and which are plugins
03:01 <@Haarg> i have to do something like that for the wuc
03:01 <@preaction_> which one?
03:02 <@Haarg> webgui api overview
03:02 <@preaction_> i want to do the map first, so we can pool our efforts
03:02 <@Haarg> i just emailed you the thing i wrote up, may or may not be relevant to what you are talking about
03:02 <@preaction_> ok
03:03 <@preaction_> yes, that is very relevant
03:04 <@preaction_> in fact, what i want is just an expanded version of this. getting people introduced to WebGUI and where to look for things and (for me) a quick reminder of things so i don't have to read teh code all the time
03:05  * perlDreamer is looking forward to some API consistency in wG 8
03:05 <+perlDreamer> new, create, getId everywhere
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03:19 <@Haarg> perlDreamer, can you think of a good reason for wgdev to not convert all the line endings of text fields to unix style?
03:20 <+perlDreamer> text fields?  like in templates?
03:20 <@Haarg> everything it sticks into text blocks
03:20 <@Haarg> which is anything using HTMLArea, Textarea, or Codearea
03:20 <+perlDreamer> I don't know what the designers use for editing templates.  Would it mess them up?
03:20 <@Haarg> they use WebGUI at this point
03:21 <+perlDreamer> I don't see any reason not to change them
03:29 <+perlDreamer> even if we were to have wgfs someday, we could do newline translation in the fs layer
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04:01 <+perlDreamer> back
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04:23 <+perlDreamer> I did it!
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04:30 < CIA-46> WebGUI: patspam * r9421 /branch/survey-rfe/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 
04:30 < CIA-46> WebGUI: Replaced ResponseJSON's implementation of shuffle with List::Util's
04:30 < CIA-46> WebGUI: shuffle and updated Colin's ninja shuffle tests
04:30 < CIA-46> WebGUI: colin * r9422 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix the exitURL redirection when a survey is completed and the site uses a gateway url.
04:32 <+perlDreamer> patspam, you might want to pull in 9422 into the survey-rfe branch
04:38 <+perlDreamer> I actually figured it out, which was easy since it was a problem in the perl and not the JS.
04:38 < daviddelikat> where can i look to find database table definitions?
04:41 <+perlDreamer> the hard way that always works: docs/create.sql
04:41 <+perlDreamer> I thought that somebody made a schema page on webgui.org
04:41 <+perlDreamer> maybe the wiki?
04:42 < daviddelikat> that is exactly what i was hoping for
04:42 < daviddelikat> I don't see anything usefull so far in the wiki...
04:42 < daviddelikat> aha!
04:42 <@preaction_> there's a db-schema page somewhere on the site
04:42 <@preaction_> i think the wiki has a link
04:43 < daviddelikat> i did find it, but I think the sql files may be easier to search...
04:43 <+perlDreamer> http://www.webgui.org/dev/db-schema
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05:49 <@tavisto> wow, I've been wondering about the DB schema thing for so long
05:49 <@tavisto> people have asked me that in the past and I've never known the answer to it
06:00 <+perlDreamer> Haarg: re the untitled bug, I found this: http://www.techspot.com/vb/topic72095.html
06:00 <+perlDreamer> http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9644
06:01 <+perlDreamer> it sounds like purely a client issue with windows
06:01 <+perlDreamer> we can't do much about it
06:01 <+perlDreamer> I'd like to post some URLs for help, then close it out.
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07:06 <+perlDreamer> I did close that bug, and am now working on the advanced search
07:06 <+perlDreamer> it's missing code for the date search
07:07 <+perlDreamer> I'll finish it up tomorrow.
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13:44 <+BartJol> hi binyamin
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15:05 <+BartJol> mmm, I'm not able to remove stuff from my site
15:06 <+BartJol> can't call method"setScratch" on a undefined vale at .../AseetTrash.pm line 256
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16:04 < topsub2003> In a collaboration system. what table in the database stores who can post, post a thread, and edit the asset? so far haven't found it in the database
16:07 <+BartJol> isn't that in the assetData table:
16:07 < topsub2003> i see who can edit, but not who can post to a thread in assetData
16:07 <+BartJol> mmm
16:08 < topsub2003> seems there is another table i am missing. looking atm trying to find it
16:13 <+BartJol> I don't see a canEdit method in the API...
16:15 <+BartJol> topsub2003: there is a postGroupId in the collaboration table
16:16 < topsub2003> hmm Does that handle who can post threads and such?
16:16 <+BartJol> yes that table handles that
16:16 < topsub2003> ah wait.. there is a canStartThreadGroupId
16:16 <+BartJol> there is also a group .... indeed!
16:17 <+BartJol> that one
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17:04 < topsub> anyone know were the email template for when you bought something is stored?
17:04 < topsub> in that email we are getting "You were sent a message from Visitor." and not sure why and wondering if its in the email template
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17:14 <+BartJol> topsub: I see some templates in root> Import node > Shop
17:16 < topsub> oh, i guess i was trying to find it via admin console >> shop
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17:18 <+BartJol> topsub: but you did find it now?
17:18 <+BartJol> well, the messages are in the payment plugin settings
17:21 < topsub> ah, so it might be in the paydriver were that message is coming from
17:23 <+BartJol> yes
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17:25 < topsub> thanks bartJol!
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17:27 <+BartJol> no problem!
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18:15 <+perlDreamer> morning, folks!
18:15 <+BartJol> morning, already knew that Koen is a father perlDreamer?
18:16 <+perlDreamer> Yes, he came into channel yesterday to tell us about Emma
18:16 <+perlDreamer> we've been spreading the word
18:16 <+BartJol> ok
18:16 <+perlDreamer> BartJol: Have you bought your house yet?
18:17 <+BartJol> still in the process, will take a month or two
18:18 <+BartJol> it's starting to get annoying
18:18 <+perlDreamer> what's the holdup?
18:19 <+BartJol> well, before a contract could be signed, wherein I promise to buy took very long (1.5 month)
18:20 <+BartJol> and now I get money from the government, but before they approve my request will also take 1.5 months
18:20 <+BartJol> but maybe quicker, if I'm lucky
18:20 <+perlDreamer> The government buys your house for you?
18:20 <+BartJol> partially
18:21 <+perlDreamer> do you have to pay them back for it?
18:21 <+BartJol> you can get money, if you're 18+, don't have a lot of money and are burying your first house (which can't be too expensive)
18:21 <+BartJol> nope
18:22 <+BartJol> it's a great rule
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18:34 < jlittlewood> hey all -- within webgui, is there any way to dynamically add users to a group based off a regular expression or something?
18:35 < jlittlewood> like "all registered users with @blarg.org in their username will become part of the Blarg.org group"
18:35 <@preaction_> jlittlewood: look in the group edit screen, there's a way to detect users in a group based on an SQL query
18:36 < jlittlewood> cool, will do
18:36 < jlittlewood> thanks
18:36 <+BartJol> but do you have to do that again and again? well, than you can make a workflow
18:36 <+perlDreamer> BartJol, the group definition is dynamic
18:36 <@preaction_> BartJol: the sql query is re-run periodically (cache timeout)
18:36 <+BartJol> ok
18:37 <@preaction_> that's why it's just "detect" users, it's not "add" users. you can still assign specific users to that group
18:37 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, could I send you a patch for adding an --assetid option to wgdev edit?  I don't always know the URL to an asset.
18:37 <@Haarg> sure
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18:43 <@Haarg> perlDreamer, if you want commit access to the repo at any point just let me know
18:44 <+perlDreamer> thanks, Haarg.  I'd like to practice messing up my own git repo before I start messing up anyone else's though :D  I'm not fully git compliant yet.
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19:08 < CIA-46> WebGUI: colin * r9424 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Gallery.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): Dates in the galley advanced search were ignored.
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19:55 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, I'm stuck on bug fixing.
20:17 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: got any interesting bugs?  
20:18 <+perlDreamer> the IE6 transaction manager bug looks interesting, but I don't have a copy of IE6 to test with
20:18 <+perlDreamer> I'm wondering if the assetManager is broken, too, since they both use the DataTable
20:19 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: heh, you need qemu and a XP image.
20:19 <+perlDreamer> I have a copy of VirtualBox.
20:19 <+perlDreamer> then it's just the XP.
20:20 <+perlDreamer> I wonder what it costs down the road...
20:20 <+perlmonkey2> yeah, which I think MS has started charging "one million dollars!!" for, in an effort to discourage not using their latest crapware.
20:25 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: I don't see an IE bug listed.
20:26 <+perlmonkey2> ah, 9611
20:26 <+perlDreamer> http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9611
20:27 <+perlDreamer> is IE6 also in SP3, or do I need something older than that?
20:33  * perlDreamer heads to the other office and sign some refinance papers, bbiaw
20:33 <+perlDreamer> deafferret, no exercise involved, you're clear
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20:38 <+perlmonkey2> hmm, anyone ran 7.6.11's testEnvironment?  It seems to have a major memory leak at the end of it.  At least on 64 bit Fedora.
20:39 <+perlmonkey2> Using the 8.5 wre
20:40 <+perlmonkey2> hmm, weird, the run up in memory happens after the very last execution in the app.
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21:13 < bernd__> Haarg, the character encoding problem still persists!
21:14 <@Haarg> you are using the latest translationserver.cgi?
21:14 < bernd__> No.
21:14 < bernd__> Going to update instantly.
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21:26 <@Haarg> perlDreamer, xp sp3 is still ie6
21:29 <+perlDreamer> okay, I'll see about getting a copy today or tomorrow
21:29 <+perlDreamer> in the meantime, how do I setup a dashboard?
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21:37 < bernd__> Haarg, it works!
21:37 < bernd__> Thanks for reacting promptly!
21:37 <@Haarg> after adding the dashboard, you paste shortcuts as children of it iirc
21:37 <+perlDreamer> I'll try that
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22:00 <+perlDreamer> ah, I see now
22:00 <+perlDreamer> You make shortcuts
22:00 <+perlDreamer> then you go to the dashboard and hit Add New Content, which brings up a menu of stuff to add
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22:24 <+perlDreamer> time for me to head back to the main office and get some lunch, bbiaw, all
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22:37 < Lisette> there is an example of soaplistener for Web service client?
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23:14 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, now that we have a workaround/fix for the translation encoding, do we need to do anything special to close out the bug that refers to it?
23:14 <@Haarg> no
23:14 <@Haarg> i closed it already
23:14 <+perlDreamer> even better :)
23:21 < Lisette> how to do to obtain the response of a webservie with web service client?
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00:05 <@Haarg> perlDreamer, i ended up doing the asset id option to wgd edit a bit different
00:05 <+perlDreamer> cool, I'll do a pull
00:05 <@Haarg> now it just tries using the param as an id first, and as a url if it doesn't work
00:06 <+perlDreamer> that's nice, you can mix on the commandline
00:06 <@Haarg> yeah
00:06 <+perlDreamer> you could probably use session->id->valid as a safe first pass check
00:06 <@Haarg> probably
00:06 <@Haarg> it currently just checks for /
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00:09 <+perlDreamer> that's even simpler
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00:14 <+perlDreamer> that's the dashboard bug fixed
00:14 <+perlDreamer> I'm going to try the hover help css problem next
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00:23 < bernd__> Good night everyone! And happy hacking...
00:24 < CIA-46> WebGUI: colin * r9425 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Shortcut.pm: 
00:24 < CIA-46> WebGUI: Fix a dashboard bug where scripts and css needed by user profile fields were not
00:24 < CIA-46> WebGUI: sent via an AJAX method in the shortcut.
00:24 < CIA-46> WebGUI: colin * r9426 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Shortcut.pm): 
00:24 < CIA-46> WebGUI: When data is successfully saved from the edit user preferences form, make it
00:24 < CIA-46> WebGUI: redraw the Dashboard, instead of the shortcut.
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00:55 <@tavisto> topsub
00:56 <@tavisto> have you used the consolidated shopping cart screen for a customer project yet?
00:56 <@tavisto> I have a guy who wants to let visitors purchase stuff on his WebGUI site. I think that feature was included in your customized shopping cart
00:58 < topsub> hey
00:58 < topsub> ya i did
00:58 < topsub> thats why we built it was because  a client needed it
00:58 < topsub> your talking about the 1 page checkout correct?
00:58 < topsub> The client we built that for is lanching their site tomorrow i believe
00:58 < topsub> we finished up things today
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01:01 < knowmad> tavisto: i heard you're talking about us
01:01 <@tavisto> yo
01:01 <@tavisto> your spies are correct
01:01 < topsub> lol
01:02 < topsub> you need that feature tavisto?
01:02 <@tavisto> so, here's what I want to know.... have you deployed any of that custom e-commerce code that allows for the consolidated check out screen and allows visitors to complete purchases?
01:02 < knowmad> btw, i spoke to Agnes today
01:02 <@tavisto> oh cool, hopefully you'll be able to help her
01:03 < topsub> you want a non registered user to be able to buy something?
01:03 < knowmad> yeah, i'm trying to come up with something that will help but also meet her budget
01:03 <@tavisto> There's a guy who purchased hosting from PB today, but he wants a single click transaction that doesn't require user registration
01:03 < knowmad> our client with that one-page checkout was scheduled to launch today
01:03 <@tavisto> nice, did it happen?
01:03 < topsub> later this evening i heard they are switching the dns
01:04 < knowmad> but it doesn't look like that happened
01:04 < knowmad> oh
01:04 <@tavisto> coolio, I'd like to see that
01:04 < knowmad> so tomorrow you can visit www.counciloned.com
01:04 <@tavisto> so anyway, instead of turning this guy away, I'd like to hook you up
01:04 < topsub> tavisto, yes we have that feature on that site
01:05 <@tavisto> do you provide the hosting as well?
01:05 < knowmad> yeah, we do provide hosting
01:05 < topsub> yes we can provide hosting
01:05 <@tavisto> excellent
01:05 <@tavisto> excellent
01:05 <@tavisto> :)
01:05 < knowmad> well, jt might not think so but the WRE makes it so dang easy for us to self-host
01:08 <@tavisto> oh yeah?
01:08 < topsub> tavisto, is it one product this guy needs or multi?
01:08 < knowmad> we do so little hosting he probably doesn't notice
01:09 <@tavisto> William, I'll include the website URL in my email to him. Should I include your email as well?
01:09 <@tavisto> he said he's just selling 1 thing
01:09 < Lisette> why when i add a web service client shows me the next error: WARN - www.pruebas.com.conf - WebGUI::Content::Asset::tryAssetMethod[207] - Couldn't call method view on asset for url: home Root cause: Can't use an undefined value as an ARRAY reference at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/WSClient.pm line 440.??
01:09 < Lisette> anyone knows?
01:10 < knowmad> tavisto: sure
01:10 < knowmad> Lisette: sounds like a bug
01:11 < Lisette> mmm because when i do this in the demo version, it's works
01:11 < Lisette> but in my site don't work
01:11 < knowmad> what version of wG? i thought that the Web Service asset was removed from core recently
01:11 < knowmad> but then i wouldn't expect to see it in the demo
01:11 <+perlDreamer> Lisette, the demo site always uses the latest stable, which in this case is 7.5.40
01:11 < Lisette> i have 7.5.25
01:11 < knowmad> perlDreamer: wasn't the asset she's talking about removed from core?
01:12 <+perlDreamer> knowmad, yes, in 7.6.  But if your site was using it, it was not removed from your local install.
01:12 < knowmad> so that explains why it's still showing up in the demo
01:12 <+perlDreamer> yup
01:13 < knowmad> Lisette: you may want to check the changelog to see if any bugs against that asset were fixed since 7.5.25
01:13 < Lisette> ok, thanks
01:13 <+perlDreamer> I'm about 99% positive that there were some bugs fixed
01:13 <+perlDreamer> since I remember fixing them
01:13 <+perlDreamer> but I've done so much coding in the last two months that it's all blurring together
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01:21 <+perlDreamer> I need a dev with opera to help me test a bug fix.
01:22 <+perlDreamer> Any volunteers?
01:23 <@Haarg> i can
01:24 <+perlDreamer> I'll commit the fix, and then revert it if it doesn't work.
01:25 <@tavisto> Knowmad, I sent off that email so I'm sure he'll contact you soon. Actually I'll forward you the email he sent to me as well.
01:25 <+perlDreamer> okay, it's rev 9427
01:25 <+perlDreamer> to duplicate the bug, just look at any hoverhelp.  If you do not see a yellow bar below the text, it's fixed.
01:26 < knowmad> tavisto: Thanks!
01:26 <+perlDreamer> Survey hoverhelp will show a yellow background to all the text, due to the styling
01:26 <@tavisto> yep no problem
01:26 <+perlDreamer> I'm still kind of shocked.  I wrote javascript and it worked the first time.
01:26 <@tavisto> benefit #721 of being a Plain Black partner, lead sharing.
01:26 <@tavisto> hehe
01:27 <@tavisto> should be perfect though, he gets all the cool features of wG with a Knowmad shopping cart.
01:27 <@Haarg> hover help looks fine in opera 9.63
01:27 < topsub> lol
01:27 <+perlDreamer> cool, I'll update the changelog and close the bug.
01:28 < topsub> powered by knowmad. inspired by topsub
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01:50 < CIA-46> WebGUI: colin * r9428 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: Document the hoverhelp fix in the changelog.
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03:33 < daviddelikat> perlDreamer : the fix you posted for the gallary search page woks fine for the search itself but the date is still displayed wrong.
03:33 <+perlDreamer> it displays okay for me
03:33 <+perlDreamer> which browser are you using?
03:33 < daviddelikat> is this likely to be something in the database?
03:34 <+perlDreamer> no
03:34 <+perlDreamer> this is all form work
03:34 < daviddelikat> my dates still say 02/03/31
03:34 < daviddelikat> sorry...
03:34 < daviddelikat> that is what it says on the gallary page
03:34 <+perlDreamer> gallery page?  The main page of the gallery, or the album page?
03:34 < daviddelikat> on the search page it says 12/31/69
03:34 <@rizen> perlDreamer does not make mistakes
03:34 <@rizen> how dare you question his fix
03:34 <+perlDreamer> no, he does not
03:35 <@rizen> !!!!!!!
03:35 <+perlDreamer> He makes catastrophically bad judgement calls based on wild guesses
03:35 < daviddelikat> that would be the album page
03:35 <+perlDreamer> Let me build one up real quick.
03:36 < daviddelikat> here http://delikat.homeip.net:8080/
03:37 < daviddelikat> I just updated my code the afternoon
03:37 < daviddelikat> ( and restarted modperl )
03:38 <+perlDreamer> So if I click on the album page, I should see bad dates...
03:39 < daviddelikat> yes, in white text on off-white background
03:39 <+perlDreamer> I see that bad date on your page.
03:39 <+perlDreamer> but on the one that I built, it's just fine.
03:39 < daviddelikat> no the album is fine, its the search page that sows them wrong
03:40 < daviddelikat> perhaps I should start over.
03:40 <+perlDreamer> that would help :)
03:40 <+perlDreamer> thank you
03:40 < daviddelikat> the album has the correct date: 020409...
03:40 <+perlDreamer> that I see
03:40 <+perlDreamer> what do I click on next?
03:40 < daviddelikat> click on advanced search
03:41 < daviddelikat> set the dates to 2/1/09 and today
03:41 < daviddelikat> and click search
03:41 < daviddelikat> you see the album and the picture
03:41 < daviddelikat> the date on the bottom of the picture is 12/31/69
03:41 <+perlDreamer> ah, now I see.
03:42 < daviddelikat> in white text on off-white background
03:42 <+perlDreamer> from the bug, it sounded like the dates were wrong in the search boxes
03:42 <+perlDreamer> not the photo display
03:42 <+perlDreamer> I'll look into it.
03:42 <+perlDreamer> I have an idea that I already know what's wrong
03:42 <+perlDreamer> but we shall see
03:42 < daviddelikat> this is why i failed english....
03:43 <+perlDreamer> daviddelikat, would you mind posting a bug about this issue specifically?
03:44 < daviddelikat> sure
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03:46 <+perlDreamer> oh dear
03:46 <+perlDreamer> that's really mucked up
03:46 <+perlDreamer> I wonder who did that
03:46  * perlDreamer looks around for someone else to blame
03:47 <+perlDreamer> perhaps somebody new...
03:47 < daviddelikat> hmmm????
03:48 <+perlDreamer> well, after digging around some, it turns out it's been that way for a while
03:48 <+perlDreamer> this is the problem
03:48 <+perlDreamer> <div class="date"> Created ^D("%M/%d/%Y",^International('template file creationDate','Asset_GalleryAlbum'););</div>
03:48 < daviddelikat> your ticket sir:  http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9675
03:48 <+perlDreamer> Now, given that line, can you tell me what's wrong?
03:49 < daviddelikat> looks like it doesn't have a date valule to format
03:49 <+perlDreamer> that's the problem
03:49 <+perlDreamer> it should be something more like
03:50 <+perlDreamer> <div class="date">^International("template file creationDate","Asset_GalleryDate"); ^D("%M/%d%Y", <tmpl_var creationDate>);</div>
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03:50 <+perlDreamer> and since I recently did a huge amount of template i18n, I'm guessing that I broke preaction_'s beautiful search template.
03:51 < daviddelikat> that looks senseble
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03:51 <+perlDreamer> jmarsden|work: what's the good word on Ubuntu?
03:52 < jmarsden|work> I've not checked today whether anyone reviewed my package yet... let me check...
03:53 <+perlDreamer> in addition to randomly breaking templates in WebGUI, I'm also known for impatience.
03:53 < jmarsden|work> No real reviews yet, one comment saying "The changelog does not close a bug from Launchpad. New packages should have a needs-packaging bug and the upload close it using the syntax "(LP: #nnnn)". 
03:53  * perlDreamer has all sorts of problems...
03:53 < jmarsden|work> The comment is correct, so I should do that.
03:54 <+perlDreamer> oh, maybe that's why it's not getting a lot of comments
03:55 <+perlDreamer> rizen: I've just started using wgdev, and I've decided that Haarg needs to be promoted to Overlord of Internal Tool development
03:55 < jmarsden|work> Possible; I think it is more that it is a relatively big/complex piece of software to check, and no- MOTUs with the time/energy to do it have yet come along...
03:55 <@rizen> pretty cool eh?
03:55 <+perlDreamer> It's awesome!
03:55 <@rizen> i haven't looked at the newest version
03:55 <@rizen> i really need to get a copy
03:56 <+perlDreamer> It's on github.com
03:56 <@rizen> i know, i just haven't gotten it yet
04:01 <+perlDreamer> all fixed up, daviddelikat
04:02 < daviddelikat> so how does that get passed down to users?  is the template in a file somewhere?
04:03 <+perlDreamer> yes
04:03 <+perlDreamer> in docs/upgrades/packages-my.next.version
04:04 <+perlDreamer> there will be a bunch of WebGUI package files
04:04 <+perlDreamer> those are little bundled up assets with their collateral
04:04 <+perlDreamer> extra tables, storage objects, files, etc, and all their asset properties
04:04 <+perlDreamer> when the user upgrades, it will overwrite the default webgui template on their site
04:04 < daviddelikat> does that get loaded when modperl restarts?
04:05 <+perlDreamer> the package will be automatically inserted into the db on an upgrade
04:05 <+perlDreamer> or, it can be manually loaded
04:05 <+perlDreamer> in the asset manager
04:05 < daviddelikat> I'll try that...
04:05 <+perlDreamer> you'll find it in /data/WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.6.11
04:06 <+perlDreamer> time for dinner, later guys!
04:06 < daviddelikat> I saw it when I updated...
04:06 <+perlDreamer> svn up, yes.  But how about perl upgrade.pl --doit?
04:06 < daviddelikat> will that insert it into the database?
04:21 < CIA-46> WebGUI: colin * r9429 /WebGUI/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix the display of creationDate in the gallery search template.
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04:25 <+perlDreamer> yes
04:25 < ries> Hey All.. checking the wiki.... but.... does webgui make a good CMS for a community sort of website where uses can post there blogs, news, galleries, tip-a-friend yada yada yada.... We expect around 500.000 active users (not at the same time) and host around 10.000.000 images RDBM would be preferred PostgreSQL
04:26 <+perlDreamer> to the best of my knowledge, WebGUI does not work with PostgreSQL
04:26 <+perlDreamer> That being said, I don't think anyone's tried it for a long time
04:27 <+perlDreamer> WebGUI can do all the things that you mentioned.  Blogs, news feeds, photo galleries, calendars (with ical feeds)
04:28 < ries> perlDreamer: I guess it would be possible to make it with PostgreSQL? Assuming that webgui uses a RDBM of some sort...
04:28 < ries> perlDreamer: Basicly they asked me to make a multi-domain multi-language website(s) where news is shared between domains aswell as users
04:29 < ries> they can publish there photo's of art-work and sell that
04:29 < ries> inter-user communication, that sort of work...
04:30 <+perlDreamer> ries, the RDBM that WebGUI uses is MySQL.  There are no mapping layers between the object code and DB that would make it database agnostic.
04:31 <+perlDreamer> you can also do ecommerce with WebGUI
04:31 < ries> So it would be suitable for a community oriented website, rather then admin users creating and publishing content... Right?
04:31 <+perlDreamer> Definitely
04:31 <+perlDreamer> For example, see the Bazaar on webgui.org
04:32 <+perlDreamer> all user contributed content, where you can optionally give it away, or sell it
04:32 <+perlDreamer> that code isn't in the core yet, but it is available as a plugin
04:32 < ries> About MySQL... we have zero experience with MySQL so we would beable to change this to PostgreSQL (we have the resources) ...
04:32 < ries> if possible that is
04:33 <+perlDreamer> Anything is possible with enough coding and time.
04:33 < ries> The initial idea was to build a CMS from scratch, I said let's first look around and see what is available... so we have the $$$
04:33 <@rizen> it doesnt take a lot of exp with mysql to do it well
04:33 <+perlDreamer> but, you can also use the WRE, WebGUI Runtime Environment, which is basically a software appliance setup for managing WebGUI sites.  It does all the heavy db setup work for you
04:34 <+perlDreamer> ries, rizen is Mr. WebGUI.
04:35 <+perlDreamer> if it can be done with WebGUI, has been done, or someone in Siberia thought about WebGUI, rizen knows about it
04:35 < ries> rizen: We just don't have the experience to do that well and MySQL .... 
04:35 <+perlDreamer> I need to scoot for the evening
04:35 <+perlDreamer> later, all
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04:36 <@rizen> if you have the $$ to do a big project then surely you can spend a few of those learning MySQL. Especially since WebGUI will do all the work for you so you don't need to build your own custom CMS
04:36 < ries> rizen: We are writing our requirements better.. we identified around 36 modules we need for the site to function and I am specifing them
04:37 < ries> MySQL is not really an option for us due to historical experience.... (we lost a DB twice due to MySQL not being stable) yes we had a backup, but not a happy client
04:37 <@rizen> i've had the same experience with Postgres and Oracle
04:37 <@rizen> that doesn't mean i never use them anymore
04:37 < ries> rizen: About learning MySQL... we would need to hrie a company then, something we are planning to... but rather hire a company that knows PostgreSQL better then us
04:37 <@rizen> what you're saying is that you can't run unless you buy Nike brand shoes to run in
04:38 <@rizen> that's religion, not technology
04:38 <@preaction_> only problem i've ever had with mysql is me not knowing that a restart will reconnect the slave to the master
04:38 < ries> rizen: yes it's part religion, I just don't want to debate it :)
04:38 <@rizen> fair enough
04:38 <@rizen> unfortunately that means WebGUI's not for you
04:39 <@rizen> it only runs on MySQL
04:39 <@rizen> i wish i could helpyou
04:39 <@rizen> but unfortunately i can't debate religion
04:39 < ries> rizen: I don't want even debate it....
04:39 <@rizen> i just said that
04:39 < ries> it's apple vs PC, PHP vs Java, etc etc... it's personal choise
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04:40 < ries> rizen: anyways, would it be good by the time I have the requirements I contact you? It might be interesting to let it run on PG and we could sponsor that 100%
04:41 <@rizen> you mean contact us to convert webgui to run on PG?
04:41 < ries> Indeed.... and if you could help us to find the right people to build the website
04:41 <@rizen> absolutely
04:41 <@preaction_> would it also fulfill the goal of running on drizzle?
04:41 <@rizen> jt@plainblack.com
04:42 <@rizen> i don't have any religion about databases, so if you want us to make webgui run on PG we'll do it for you
04:42 <@rizen> i don't think it would be terribly difficult
04:42 <@rizen> it used to run on PG several years ago
04:42 <@rizen> but only 3 out of the 10,000 sites we know about used it
04:42 <@rizen> so it wasn't worth maintaining
04:43 < ries> preaction_: Drizzle would be to know... we try not to experiment with new technology (even if it was a fork of existing)
04:43 < ries> rizen: I fully understand, for that reason about 90% of the CMS systems run on MySQL....
04:43 <@preaction_> right, i'm just saying if we stop relying on so much mysql-ese SQL, it might be beneficial to our desire to run on drizzle
04:44 <@preaction_> (which as i understand is a mysql without so much of the mysql-ese that causes bloat)
04:44 < ries> rizen: it would not be for a couple of weeks before I have writen everything down better... but will contact you...
04:44 <@rizen> k
04:45 < ries> preaction_: That's what I understood about Drizzle to.... However with this project I cannot experiment
04:52 < ries> thanks
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14:04 < wgGuest40> hello
14:04 < wgGuest40> i have a problem with webgui
14:05 <+BartJol> ok
14:05 <+BartJol> let's hear
14:06 < wgGuest40> i want create content for wiki module and get category list 
14:07 < wgGuest40> this is possible ?
14:07 <+BartJol> probably, but I should check that
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14:08 < wgGuest48> for collaboration asset content is message board 
14:09 < wgGuest48> how i get content for wiki module 
14:09 < wgGuest48> ?:(
14:10 <+BartJol> in the help, there are some template variables, I think you should check those
14:10 <+BartJol> just add to the end of your url ?op=viewHelpIndex
14:10 < wgGuest48> ok thanks, I check it 
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16:54 < daviddelikat> Haarg where can i get the latest version of wgd?
17:00 <+BartJol> daviddelikat: you mean the svn version?
17:00 <+BartJol> wgd?
17:01 < daviddelikat> graham wrote a cool script called wgd that handles lots of odd functions
17:01 <+BartJol> aah
17:01 < daviddelikat> like reset a whole wg site and stuff like that
17:01 < daviddelikat> i've got an old version that seems to be missing the good stuff...
17:02 <+BartJol> mmm, I don't know that script
17:03 < daviddelikat> its not in the main svn but i think it may be in git somewhere
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17:03 < daviddelikat> woot has 'Ion Audio Portable USB Turntable'
17:04 < daviddelikat> where else would you see a USB LP?
17:04 <+BartJol> https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/browse/tools/
17:05 <+BartJol> that contains the wgd script
17:05 < daviddelikat> thanks
17:07 < daviddelikat> do you know how to convert that URL to a checkout URL?
17:08 <+BartJol> well, if you get it with svn, you should be ok
17:08 <+BartJol> I'm not an svn hero, unfortunately
17:08 < daviddelikat> I tried it with svn co and got a 'not wellformed xml' error
17:09 <+BartJol> trailing slashes do seem to cause some trouble
17:10 < daviddelikat> 'https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/tools' -- works
17:10 <+BartJol> well do that and just delete the rest
17:10 <+BartJol> ugly, but it works
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17:42 <+perlmonkey2> mmm, anyone tested the new skin on the survey in HEAD?  Doesn't look like the buttons work anymore.
17:43 < daviddelikat> I was looking at surveys too and had problems
17:43 < daviddelikat> haven't really tried to pinpoint it thogh
17:43 <+perlmonkey2> not seeing a JS error.  
17:43 <+perlmonkey2> looks like events aren't being triggered.  Which is weird as the button click is all YUI.
17:44 < daviddelikat> which buttons are you pushing?
17:45 < daviddelikat> I just updated my whole site, reset the db and all and when I try to edit I get three links and a textbox
17:45 < daviddelikat> not a textbox, just a frame
17:45 <+perlmonkey2> yeah, the button events are no longer being registered.
17:46 <+perlmonkey2> This is usually a quiet dying JS error somewhere above.
17:46 <+perlmonkey2> upstream I mean.
17:46 <+perlmonkey2> I'm pushing the multiple choice.
17:46 < daviddelikat> i have a parseJSON error
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17:51 <+perlmonkey2> nice, its dying so quietly, not eve a try catch is catching it.
17:52 <+perlmonkey2> ah, I see.  The new skin breaks the hidden questions.  
18:01 <@Haarg> daviddelikat, i updated the wgd script in svn
18:01 < daviddelikat> sometimes you just have to admit when you have a problem...  I can't find the search option on this page: http://www.webgui.org/etcetera/how-to-use-the-bazaar
18:01 <@Haarg> also, i have it on github - http://github.com/haarg/wgdev/tree/master
18:07 < CIA-46> WebGUI: graham * r9431 /tools/wgd: updating wgd script to latest version
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18:14 < daviddelikat> Haarg : getting a funky error from  wgd
18:14 < daviddelikat> Can't modify constant item in concatenation (.) or string at /data/tools/wgd line 424, near "}msx"
18:14 < daviddelikat>   (Might be a runaway multi-line {} string starting on line 419)
18:14 < daviddelikat> BEGIN not safe after errors--compilation aborted at /data/tools/wgd line 478.
18:14 <@Haarg> heh
18:14 <@Haarg> what command did you try to run?
18:14 < daviddelikat> none
18:14 <@Haarg> hrm
18:15 < daviddelikat> perhaps its my version of perl?  5.8.8
18:15 <@Haarg> odd
18:15 <@Haarg> yeah
18:16 <@Haarg> i've been using 5.10, and apparently it isn't a problem there
18:16 <@Haarg> let me try to fix it quick
18:19 <+perlmonkey2> daviddelikat: the buttons work.  But somethings screwed up in the styles.
18:19 <+perlmonkey2> mcbutton and mcbutton-selected now look exactly alike.
18:19 < daviddelikat> which buttons are we talking about?
18:21 <+perlmonkey2> multiple choice
18:21 < daviddelikat> I'm not even getting there.
18:22 < daviddelikat> take a look at mine... http://delikat.homeip.net:8080/home/untitled?func=editSurvey
18:22 < daviddelikat> you'll have to login, but its the default password
18:22 <@Haarg> daviddelikat, wgd should be fixed now
18:22 <@Haarg> i think it was caused by a bug in perl but i'm not certain
18:23 <+perlmonkey2> daviddelikat: looks like debug mode is on.
18:23 <+perlmonkey2> probably messing up the styles or something.
18:24 < daviddelikat> perlmonkey2 : I didnot used to have this problem
18:24 < daviddelikat> Haarg : how long before it hits svn
18:24 <@Haarg> should be there now
18:24 <+perlmonkey2> daviddelikat: I don't know what's going on.
18:25 <@Haarg> or maybe i'm still stupid
18:26 < daviddelikat> Haarg : its there, but perl 8 still doesn't like it.  don't worry for now... I just reset before I got this version I should be good for a while
18:27 <+perlDreamer> wgd is in svn now?
18:27 < daviddelikat> perlmonkey2: it works OK with debug off
18:27 <@Haarg> the compiled version is in tools
18:29 <@Haarg> ok, fixed for real this time
18:29 <+perlmonkey2> daviddelikat: hmm, i"m not seeing the style sheets being loaded anymore.
18:29 < daviddelikat> Haarg: perl 8 is complaining about a different pattern now.  probably a newer feature....
18:29 <@Haarg> it's not a newer feature :/  i think it's just a bug
18:29 <@Haarg> but i just updated the version in svn and i think it should work now
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18:30 < daviddelikat> yup, sgood
18:30 < daviddelikat> thanks
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18:34 <+perlmonkey2> daviddelikat: I'm looking at the default survey take template and I don't see the css files being loaded.  Yet firebug assures me there are being loaded, they just don't have any content.
18:34 <@Haarg> perl -e'qr/^\Q=\E/'
18:34 <@Haarg> works in 5.10, breaks in 5.8.8
18:34 <@Haarg> wasn't expecting that
18:36 < daviddelikat> Haarg: \Q \E is not in perl 5.8 I checked my book...
18:37 <@Haarg> yes it is - http://search.cpan.org/~nwclark/perl-5.8.8/pod/perlre.pod
18:37 <@Haarg> it works without the ^ or if you change the = to something else
18:37 < daviddelikat> ok its not in the index.... I found it in the text...
18:38 <+perlmonkey2> daviddelikat: okay, I give up.  The temlate with this survey doesn't load any css, yet my firebug thinks it is there (if empty), and the view source shows it being loaded from the root path, which I'm guessing means it has been turned into snippets.
18:38 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: didn't you say you were moving the survey css to snippets?
18:38 <+perlDreamer> no
18:39 <+perlDreamer> what did I do with the survey...
18:39 <+perlDreamer> Yesterday I commented about the help variables
18:40 <+perlDreamer> and I posted back to Jamie's bug about answer text and recorded text
18:40 <+perlmonkey2> for the life of me I can't find where the css is being loaded.
18:40 <+perlDreamer> extra head tags?
18:40 <+perlmonkey2> those don't show up in the editor anymore.
18:40 <+perlDreamer> no, they're on the next tab
18:41 < CIA-46> WebGUI: graham * r9432 /tools/wgd: fixing regex in wgd for perl 5.8.8
18:41 < CIA-46> WebGUI: graham * r9433 /tools/wgd: another wgd perl 5.8.8 fix
18:41 <+perlmonkey2> holy crap they are in metadata?
18:41  * perlmonkey2 wonders off to do something else.
18:42 <+perlDreamer> which template are we talking about?  take, edit, ...
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18:47 < daviddelikat> survey.css is empty/doesn't exists
18:48 <+perlDreamer> there is a survey.css in extras, but the URLs don't point to it
18:48 <+perlDreamer> looks like somebody forgot to upload a snippet in a commit
18:48 <+perlDreamer> time to go through the svn logs
18:49 <+perlmonkey2> daviddelikat: yes, I'll add it.
18:49 <+perlmonkey2> someone moved the css from the extras to a snippet and apparently missed one.
18:49 <+perlmonkey2> although why anyone woudl want it in a snippet over extras is beyond me.
18:50 <+perlDreamer> the graphics designers can't easily get to extras?
18:50 <+perlmonkey2> ah, yes.
18:50 <+perlDreamer> and they're used to hacking stuff through the UI?
18:50 <+perlDreamer> that's just a guess
18:50 <+perlDreamer> maybe we just need to get the person who commited survey-style to add survey.css to the upgrades area?
18:51 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: I can just export the snippet package and put it in the 7.6.11 upgrades, right?  Never packaged a snippet before.
18:51 <+perlDreamer> sure
18:51 <+perlDreamer> packages don't really care what they are
18:51 <+perlDreamer> they're just dumb little data balls
18:53 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: yeah, tested it with the handy dandy wgd to reset it and run updates.  Guess I'll submit it.
18:53 <+perlmonkey2> although a designer really should go over those buttons.  The default YUI ones are much sexier.
18:54 <+perlDreamer> I'll drop the designer an email, and remind her to make sure everything got committed.
18:54 <+perlDreamer> I'd hold off on the commit
18:54 <+perlDreamer> it'll just be overwritten
18:54 <+perlmonkey2> whups
18:55 <+perlmonkey2> oh well....I'm sure she'll name i the same and put it in the same place.
18:55 <+perlmonkey2> or i could roll that commit back?
18:55 <+perlDreamer> no
18:55 <+perlDreamer> I thought I'd save you some keystrokes
18:56 <+perlDreamer> if it's already in, no sweat
19:11 <+perlDreamer> You know, if we ask the template designers to use the International macro to provide text, we need to give them a way to search the i18n system to see what labels already exist, and which ones need to be added.
19:12 <+BartJol> i18n?
19:14 <+perlDreamer> internationalization = i + 18 characters + n = i18n
19:15 <+BartJol> ooh, only 18 chracters, I can handle that
19:16 < CIA-46> WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r9434 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: Added survey.css as a snippet. Had been left out.
19:16 < CIA-46> WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r9435 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.6.11/survey.css.wgpkg: Added survey.css as a snippet. Had been left out.
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19:21 < carogray> hi all...
19:21 <+perlmonkey2> hello carogray
19:21 < carogray> quick question about site wide search and replace...
19:21 < carogray> is it possible? We have a whole section on Income and Benefits /Food Stamps
19:22 < carogray> Department of Transitional Assistance has now changed the program to SNAP can't remember what the acronym is...
19:22 <+perlDreamer> carogray, in the core WebGUI doesn't have anything like that, but there is an open RFE for it.
19:22 < carogray> is it possible to replace every instance of Food Stamps with ...aah
19:22 <+perlDreamer> but it could be done with an external script
19:23 < carogray> ...an external script? We pay PB or some WG true Guru to write it and apply it?
19:23 <+perlDreamer> yes, or have somebody in house do it
19:23 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, rizen: bug or RFE -> http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9677
19:23 < carogray> OUR house?!!!!
19:25 <+perlmonkey2> carogray: you might be able to do something in the database.
19:25 <+perlmonkey2> seems like I did something like that a long time ago....
19:26 <+perlDreamer> carogray, I don't know if you guys write code or not.  I just don't want you to think that you absolutely have to pay somebody to get it done if you _do_ have coders to work with.
19:27 <+perlDreamer> and perlmonkey2 is right, it could be done with SQL, or with perl
19:28 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: naw, seems like a single statement would search every column in every table.
19:28 <+perlmonkey2> looking for it now (if it exists)
19:30 <+perlDreamer> there is a replace function that works on strings
19:31 <+perlDreamer> REPLACE()
19:31 <+perlmonkey2> carogray: is it only articles that need updating?
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19:44 <@rizen> perlDreamer: why is that a question
19:44 <@rizen> the feature exists and doesn't work
19:44 <@rizen> so it's a bug
19:44 <+perlDreamer> well, it works exactly like it's coded.  It's like it was only intended to work on new posts/threads.
19:45 <+perlDreamer> I'll fix it.
19:48 < carogray> perldreamer and perlmonkey2 - sorry how rude. I kind of zoned out...very distracted these days..
19:48 <+perlDreamer> We're very patient
19:49 < carogray> no one really writes code at ours..Sandra does a bit, but she is not really a coder and hasn't got a very high tolerance for frustration
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19:49 <+perlDreamer> if you have a support contract with Plain Black, depending on the details this could fall underneath that.
19:50 < carogray> When you say only articles...It's articles, titles and menu titles of page layouts. I wouldn't worry about URLs
19:51 < carogray> I think our support contract with PB is pretty limited - login requests and message board only...as well of course as keeping our server updated and maintained
19:55 <+perlDreamer> I'm sure that if you posted all the details on the board, they'd either send you a script or ask you if you want a quote to have them build one for you.
19:56 < carogray> well that sounds a mighty useful suggestion - will try it and see what happens! thanks PerlDreamer.
19:57 <+perlDreamer> you're welcome, that's much easier than doing hours of manual page crawling and edits
20:01 < carogray> no kidding. thanks - my biggest problem is simply waiting while WG saves the page!
20:01 < carogray> it's never fast enough for me.
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20:01 < carogray> or the server or the connection or whatever -- gotta go! thanks
20:09  * perlDreamer goes to the gym
20:15  * deafferret eats a Snickers
21:00  * daviddelikat eats ho-hos
21:00 < daviddelikat> javascript anyone
21:01 < daviddelikat> ??
21:01 < daviddelikat> http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9671
21:01 < daviddelikat> a very interesting bug...
21:04 < daviddelikat> when the admin bar loads normally it sets a property 'hasAnimation' to 1 and starts its work...
21:04 < daviddelikat> then later when the anim is done it sets it back to 0
21:04 < daviddelikat> when surveys are loaded it never gets set back to 0 so the next time you try
21:05 < daviddelikat> to change the part displayed, it thinks that there is an animation underway and bugs out so as not to interfere
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22:07 < CIA-46> WebGUI: graham * r9436 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Article.pm): fixed: Permissions aren't correctly applied to Article attachments
22:18 <+perlDreamer> is the whole internet slow, or is it just me?
22:18 < bernd__> You!
22:19 < bernd__> Fast enough=
22:19 < bernd__> ?
22:19 <+perlDreamer> I'm waiting about 5 minutes for webgui.org to come up
22:19 <+perlDreamer> cnn.com is the same
22:19 <+perlDreamer> use.perl.org
22:19 < bernd__> Let me check...
22:19 < deafferret> cnn.com is instant for me
22:19 < deafferret> +- 1s
22:20 < bernd__> Hm. I believe my connection is fine.
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22:36 <+perlDreamer> it's my proxy
22:37 < CIA-46> WebGUI: tabitha * r9437 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.6.11/ (2 files): Updated Data Table templates to be compliant with Rogier's templating project
22:38 < bernd__> You are using a web-proxy?
22:38 < bernd__> Why that?
22:38 < bernd__> Is it faster usually?
22:39 <+perlDreamer> content filtering
22:40 < bernd__> Ah, the kids?
22:40 < bernd__> Or don't you trust yourself =)
22:41 <+perlDreamer> both 
22:42 < bernd__> I assume, it blocks access to webgui-related sites during sleeping time?
22:43 <+perlDreamer> no, it mainly blocks adult content
22:43 <+perlDreamer> and anything related to python
22:44 < bernd__> Python? Such a terrible language?
22:45 < bernd__> Or even better and you do not want to be tempted?
22:45 <@frodwith> at least they fixed scoping in 3k, thank Guido.
22:45 <+perlDreamer> it has no braces and minimal punctuation.  How can that be a good language?
22:45 < bernd__> Braces are confusing.
22:45  * frodwith adores Python.
22:45 < bernd__> I could lieve without.
22:46 < bernd__> live
22:46 <@frodwith> it doesn't have -no- bracers, pd.  It just doesn't overload them for blocks.
22:46 < bernd__> Hm, maybe we should start rewriting webgui in python.
22:47 <@frodwith> Arrrgh
22:47 < bernd__> That is, perlDreamer would have to do the work, of course :-)
22:47 <+perlDreamer> I think not
22:47 <+perlDreamer> pythonDreamer is way too long to type
22:47 <@frodwith> also, python isn't a better language than perl.  It's just different.
22:48 <@frodwith> perl is somewhat more flexible.
22:48 < bernd__> Alright. I do not believe in the "best-language-of-the-world" concept, anyhow.
22:48 <@frodwith> I do.  It's called lisp!  But that's a troll for another day.
22:48 <+perlDreamer> I've used lisp.  It's worse than python
22:49 <+perlDreamer> carrrdddrrr
22:49 < bernd__> There are just too many languages in the world.
22:49 < elnino> aggreed
22:49 <@frodwith> Not enough, bernd.  Not enough.
22:49 < elnino> what web-proxy software do you use perlDreamer?
22:49 < bernd__> I have gone through basic, forth, c, c++, java and now perl.
22:50 < bernd__> Where will it end?
22:50 < elnino> fortran!!!
22:50 <@frodwith> Hopefully nowhere.  Learning is fun!
22:50 < elnino> cobol!
22:50 <+perlDreamer> elnino, it's through my ISP as a service.
22:50 <@frodwith> learning cobol is -not- fun
22:50 < bernd__> In that case you should start rewriting webgui. Just for the fun of it!
22:50  * elnino wonders if I'm dating myself.
22:51 <@frodwith> bernd: rewriting software is an exercise in futility 99 times out of 100.
22:51 < elnino> I found a way cool site that tracks windows os from the beginning and another chart for all th eprogramming languages. I have to dig that up. It was cool.
22:57 < bernd__> Time to go to bed.
22:57 < bernd__> Have a good time.
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22:58 < elnino> check it out - http://www.levenez.com/ 
23:01 <+perlDreamer> frodwith, I try not to be a language bigot, but often fail.
23:01 <+perlDreamer> I don't froth at the mouth when people talk about PHP anymore though
23:01 <+perlDreamer> that has to be some kind of improvement
23:01 <@frodwith> Ugh, horrible language!
23:01 <@frodwith> no namespaces, no proper first class functions, ridiculously unorganized standard library
23:02 <@frodwith> shudder.
23:02 <@frodwith> I wouldn't want to write it.  But I know plenty of otherwise sane people who do, so to each his own. :)
23:04 <@frodwith> wait, I just also described C, didn't I?
23:04 <@frodwith> I'll be damned.
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23:06 <@Haarg> my favorite part of php is the functions that start with real_
23:06 <@Haarg> i guess there were times they wanted fake versions?
23:07 <@frodwith> Square root of negative 1 said to pi: 'Why can't you be more rational?'  pi replied: 'Oh, get real!'
23:17 < elnino> oh dear.
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23:54 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, release today for 7.6?
23:55 <@Haarg> no
23:58 < elnino> are you guys saying that 7.6 Stable is coming soon!?!?
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00:00 <@Haarg> yes
00:00 < elnino> whoo hoo!!! YAY! 
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00:42 < CIA-46> WebGUI: Fix bad template code in 4 gallery templates. They were functional, just not
00:42 < CIA-46> WebGUI: using template variables.
00:42 < CIA-46> WebGUI: yung * r9439 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Adding/fixing Survey i18n and Help
00:42 < CIA-46> WebGUI: colin * r9440 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.6.11/ (3 files): Unify all Survey CSS into 1 file, and use it.
00:55 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, that quote from the Incredibles keeps going through my head.
00:57 <@Haarg> quote?
00:57 <+perlDreamer> "No matter how many times you save the world, it always manages to get back in jeopardy again. Sometimes I just want it to stay saved! You know, for a little bit? I feel like the maid; I just cleaned up this mess! Can we keep it clean for... for ten minutes! "
00:57 <+perlDreamer> I had to look it up on IMDB
00:57 <@Haarg> heh
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01:20 < CIA-46> WebGUI: colin * r9443 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix a problem with purging an EMS.
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01:49 <+perlDreamer> do 1 and 0 work like the JS booleans true and false?
01:49 <@Haarg> yes
01:50 <@Haarg> if i understand your question
01:50 <+perlDreamer> I was looking through the datatable code, because I enjoy pain
01:51 <+perlDreamer> and noticed that the API said it wanted booleans for sortable and resizable, but it was given 1's
01:51 <+perlDreamer> the columns were sortable, so in my JS infancy, I was confused
01:53 <+perlDreamer> by jove, I think I've got it!
01:53 <+perlDreamer> I'll check it out after I pick up the kids
01:54 <+perlDreamer> bbl, everyone
01:56 < deafferret> dead lifting kids? now you're just showing off
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03:41 <+perlDreamer> it'd be easier if they'd stop growing so much
03:42 < CIA-46> WebGUI: graham * r9444 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/ (5 files in 2 dirs): adding merge point
03:42 < CIA-46> WebGUI: graham * r9445 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/AssetLineage.pm: fix small issue in addChild
03:45 <@preaction_> would anyone object if bug priorities were visible on the ticket list but not sortable?
03:45 <@preaction_> i can figure out sortable later
03:53 <+perlDreamer> visible would be great!
03:54 <+perlDreamer> for the bug board, you could lose karma rank, too
03:56 <@preaction_> cant do that yet, but soon
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04:10 < CIA-46> WebGUI: Refactored next/last response/section related accessors and mutators
04:10 < CIA-46> WebGUI: (and tests).
04:10 < CIA-46> WebGUI: Added more documentation.
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04:10 < CIA-46> WebGUI: More ResponseJSON refactoring
04:10 < CIA-46> WebGUI: Removed unnecessary $session argument from recordResponses
04:10 < CIA-46> WebGUI: Refactored nextQuestions to return a list rather than an arrayref
04:10 < CIA-46> WebGUI: Lots more documentation for ResponseJSON
04:10 < CIA-46> WebGUI: More param validation for ResponseJSON
04:10 < CIA-46> WebGUI: Refactored recordResponses
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04:11 < CIA-46> WebGUI: Started refactoring nextQuestions in ResponseJSON
04:11 < CIA-46> WebGUI: Made perlcritic happier
04:11 < CIA-46> WebGUI: Extracted getQuestionResponses from processGotoExpression
04:11 < CIA-46> WebGUI: Eliminated getPreviousAnswer
04:19 <@rizen> Haarg, you around?
04:28 <@Haarg> rizen: i am now
04:28 <@rizen> i'm confused about the merge you did
04:29 <@Haarg> oh?
04:29 <@rizen> it looks like you merged into 7.6.10
04:29 <@Haarg> yes
04:29 <@rizen> but we're working on 7.6.11
04:29 <@Haarg> yeah
04:29 <@rizen> ummm
04:29 <@Haarg> i didn't want to have to keep updating the update script
04:30 <@Haarg> as more things are fixed for 7.6.11
04:30 <@rizen> oh so that you didn't have to do stuff in both scripts?
04:30 <@Haarg> yeah
04:30 <@rizen> ok fair enough
04:30 <@rizen> that eliminates my confusion
04:30 <+perlDreamer> rizen->eliminate('confusion')
04:31 <@rizen> that just isn't how i did it the last time
04:31 <@rizen> which is why i was confused
04:31 <@Haarg> yeah
04:31 <@rizen> $haarg->increment_logic();
04:32 <@rizen> if ($haarg->get_logic > $rizen->get_logic) { say "everybody wins"}
04:32 <@rizen> thanks haarg
04:33 <@rizen> btw..using the wgd script, and it rocks
04:33 <@Haarg> glad you like it
04:33 <@rizen> hate to admit that it beats my old resetdev script, but it does
04:33 <@Haarg> heh
04:34 <@Haarg> and only about 300 times as many lines
04:34 <+perlDreamer> Haarg: if we transplanted the asset creation logic from Edit into Asset, then guids and URLs would work with any Command
04:34 <@Haarg> indeed
04:34 <@Haarg> i already did that :)
04:34 <@Haarg> not committed yet
04:35 <+perlDreamer> I'll just continue to come up with great ideas a few hours after you do, to make sure you remember to commit them.
04:35 <@Haarg> heh
04:35 <+perlDreamer> oh, and not giving me git access is a good choice.  I completely cross merged branches in my git repo
04:35 <@Haarg> well
04:36 <@Haarg> you can always fix that kind of thing with git to some extent
04:36 <+perlDreamer> yes, patspam gave me some help with rebase
04:36 <@Haarg> i haven't actually used git's merging much
04:36 <@Haarg> because i'm usually using git svn
04:37 <@Haarg> so rebase is the best way to go
04:38 <@Haarg> also, nothing goes to the server until you do a push
04:39 <@Haarg> so if you mess up a merge or whatever you can just fix it locally
04:39 <@rizen> Haarg how hard would it be to switch us to git starting with 7.7
04:39 <@rizen> here's the catch...we have a couple of branches already going with 7.7 dev stuff
04:39 <@Haarg> getting the repos up is not a lot of work
04:39 <@rizen> patspam and yung specifically
04:40 <@Haarg> getting people used to using it etc is the larger problem i would say
04:40 <@rizen> that's their problem
04:40 <@Haarg> ideally yes
04:40 <@Haarg> but it may become our problem as well
04:41 <@rizen> how?
04:41 <@Haarg> i'll take another look at the gui tools and get back to you - they are doing much better at this point
04:41 <@Haarg> but i'm not sure how well they work because for the most part i don't ever look at them
04:42 <@rizen> http://code.google.com/p/git-osx-installer/wiki/OpenInGitGui
04:42 <@rizen> if you think we should wait until the 8.0 branch then we'll wait
04:43 <@rizen> it's basically you and a few active contributors that are pushing this change anyway
04:43 <@rizen> i don't mind waiting
04:43 <@Haarg> i'll let you know by monday what i think
04:43 <@rizen> fair enough
04:43 <@rizen> i thinki just created a repo on github for webgui
04:43 <@rizen> but immediately after i did it, the site went down for maintenance
04:43 <@rizen> so i don't know for sure
04:43 <@rizen> =(
04:44 <@Haarg> seems to be working here
04:44 <@rizen> oh yeah...it's back up now
04:45 <@rizen> crap
04:45 <@rizen> looks like the repo didn't get created
04:46 <@rizen> i am a bit concerned
04:46 <@rizen> i created it btw
04:46 <@rizen> 	git://github.com/rizen/webgui.git
04:46 <@Haarg> concerned how?
04:46 <@rizen> when i create a public repo
04:46 <@rizen> can just anybody check in to it
04:46 <@Haarg> no
04:46 <@Haarg> only people you add as contributors
04:46 <@rizen> ok so it's public only for checkout/browse?
04:46 <@Haarg> yes
04:46 <@rizen> k
04:46 <@Haarg> anyone can fork it though
04:47 <@Haarg> and then they have their own repo to work from
04:47 <@Haarg> i think it would be better to create a plainblack account though instead of having it under your name
04:47 <@rizen> ok you have privs
04:47 <@rizen> why?
04:48 <@Haarg> just seems more natural to me i guess
04:49 <@Haarg> the various repos we'll want are all owned by plain black, not you specifically
04:49 <@rizen> yeah, but then we have a "global" plainblack account
04:49 <@rizen> and we don't know who did what when
04:49 <@rizen> better to have an owner methinks
04:50 <@rizen> can i rename myself?
04:50 <@Haarg> well, you would be the only person with access to the 'owner' account
04:50 <@rizen> i can rename myself but it doesn't rename the repo
04:50 <@Haarg> not afaik
04:52 <@Haarg> <rizen> and we don't know who did what when < do you mean to the overall account?
04:52 <@rizen> 	git://github.com/plainblack/webgui.git
04:53 <@rizen> i meant if we allowed "PB Staff" to have access to the plainblack account
04:53 <@Haarg> ah
04:53 <@rizen> but i'm ok with it if i'm the only one that has access
04:53 <@rizen> so i renamed it
04:53 < patspam> also: http://github.com/pdonelan/webgui and http://github.com/perlDreamer/webgui/
04:54 <@Haarg> yeah, the only reason i would want access is to get it set up and everything converted
04:56 <@Haarg> patspam, http://github.com/haarg/wgdev if you are interested
04:56 <@Haarg> my pluggable script thing for webgui dev
04:58 < patspam> Haard: ooh nice, this is the first I've heard of wgd
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05:13 < patspam> perlmonkey2: i just stumbled across the section/question text [[var]]  templating feature in Survey.. very cool
05:16 < patspam> I'm inclined to switch it over to use TT instead, but the YUI rich text editor would get in the way
05:19 <+perlDreamer> wgd is awesome
05:19 <+perlDreamer> wgd edit someTemplateIdOrUrl
05:19 <+perlDreamer> opens it in vim
05:19 <+perlDreamer> when you save, it goes right back in
05:19 <+perlDreamer> when you want to package it up for updated
05:19 <+perlDreamer> wgd package --upgrade someTemplateUrl
05:20 <+perlDreamer> and it puts a package into the right packages dir in docs/upgrades
05:20 < patspam> man, that's too cool
05:20 <+perlDreamer> and that's just two commands
05:20 <+perlDreamer> there's also the db stuff
05:20 <+perlDreamer> the reset stuff
05:20 <+perlDreamer> auto testing
05:20 <+perlDreamer> auto build for releases
05:21 <+perlDreamer> Haarg is truck-proff
05:21 <+perlDreamer> proof
05:21 < patspam> sweet, can't wait to play with it
05:21 < patspam> is someone doing a talk on it at the WUC?
05:22 < patspam> if not it should be in the Ultimate Dev Environment panel thing
05:24 <@Haarg> i'd do a speech about it if i wasn't horrible at writing
05:25 < patspam> heh, sounds like all you need to do is stand there silently typing in commands onto a projected screen and listening to everyone go "wow"
05:25 <@Haarg> heh
05:28 <+perlDreamer> Haarg: think of it like a Lightning Talk
05:28 <+perlDreamer> 15 minutes of demonstration, 15 minutes of system architecture 15 minutes rejecting requests from devs for it to do new stuff
05:28 <@Haarg> heh
05:29 <@Haarg> well, part of the idea is that it is pluggable
05:29 <@Haarg> so they can do their own new stuff
05:30 <@Haarg> perl::critic is harsh
05:30 <@Haarg> although i guess i can only blame myself for setting it at the maximum strictness
05:31 <@rizen> it's funny you should say that
05:31 <@rizen> i blame you for lots of stuff
05:31 <@rizen> =)
05:32 <@Haarg> as well you should
05:32 <@rizen> and i'm glad i started testing the matrix upgrades tonight
05:32 <@rizen> not sure what to do about this yet: Wide character in print at upgrade_7.5.40-7.6.10.pl line 331, <DATA> line 112.
05:32 <@rizen> but i have a couple of crash bugs also
05:32 <@rizen> working on those first
05:32 <@Haarg> i'll look at the wide char thing
05:33 <@Haarg> wide char thing is simple
05:34 <+perlDreamer> wgd blame Haarg
05:34 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, it's your fault
05:34 <+perlDreamer> Haarg did it
05:34 <+perlDreamer> cat /etc/blame > Haarg
05:35 <+perlDreamer> I never should have put that loop into there
05:35 <@rizen> thanks Haarg
05:36 <@Haarg> wide char thing should be fixed and committed
05:36 <@rizen> Haarg, i also fixed that email problem
05:36 <@Haarg> cool
05:36 <@rizen> someone removed localhost from /etc/hosts
05:36 <@Haarg> oh fun
05:37 <@Haarg> there is no part of sendmail that doesn't confuse me
05:41 <@rizen> you get used to it
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06:40 <+perlmonkey2> patspam: good idea on using TT.  I just wanted to use something that would be trivial for anyone to figure out and that's the best I could come up with.  Which isn't really that good.  So if you want TT, sounds great to me (not that you need to check something like that with me, rizen would have to approve it).
06:41 < patspam> perlmonkey2: hey bud!
06:41 <@rizen> default templates can't use TT by default...yet
06:42 <@rizen> not until webgui 8
06:42 <+perlmonkey2> patspam: what's the word?
06:42 < patspam> did I mean HTML::Template?
06:42 < patspam> whatever the default templates use atm
06:42 <+perlmonkey2> heh, probably
06:43 < patspam> the problem is we can't use it, because the input field is a YUI rich text editor, so angle brackets get swallowed
06:44 <+perlmonkey2> no way to escape them or wrap them?
06:44 <+perlmonkey2> maybe I should do the RTF editor RTE and learn a little about the YUI editor.
06:45 <+perlmonkey2> err, RTF was supposed to mean rich text editor.  
06:45 <@rizen> webgui will be switching to the YUI rich edit in either 7.7 or 8.0 so making the survey switch to that is a good idea
06:46 <+perlmonkey2> groovy, I'll see if I can get that done tomorrow.
06:46 < CIA-46> WebGUI: graham * r9451 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.40-7.6.10.pl: small char encoding fix to merged upgrade
06:46 < CIA-46> WebGUI: doug * r9452 /experimental/HelpDesk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
06:46 < CIA-46> WebGUI: fix: Fixed templates from latest versions on plainblack.com
06:46 < CIA-46> WebGUI: add: Added "Show In List" for metadata
06:48 < patspam> it already uses the YUI editor
06:49 < patspam> lol, i'm confused now ;)
06:51 <+perlmonkey2> oh
06:51 <+perlmonkey2> patspam: in head or your rfe branch?
06:52 < patspam> ahh maybe just in rfe
06:52 < patspam> I'm living in the survey-rfe branch atm
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06:53 <+perlDreamer> I just did a very bad thing
06:54 <+perlmonkey2> patspam: is it in "needs validation" status or wrapped up?
06:54 <+perlDreamer> I imported a package inside of a version tag
06:54 <+perlDreamer> then I imported it again
06:54 <+perlDreamer> and it created a non-existant version tag
06:54 <+perlDreamer> and I'm left with assets that I can't edit
06:54 <+perlDreamer> they're permanently locked
06:54 <+perlmonkey2> ./wgd reset -b
06:54 <@Haarg> odd
06:54 <+perlDreamer> I'm going to try and duplicate in a dev site
06:55 < patspam> pm2: come again?
06:55 <+perlmonkey2> patspam: was setting the status in the google doc.
06:56 <+perlDreamer> Haarg: if you want to tinker, it on perldreamerconsulting.com
06:56 <@Haarg> so you imported a package twice?
06:57 <@Haarg> and that's it?
06:57 <+perlDreamer> I think that's what I did, yes
06:57 <+perlDreamer> and I have version control set to no-auto
06:57 <+perlDreamer> there are no pending version tags, no uncommitted version tags, but it shows as locked
06:58 <@Haarg> 2009/02/05 22:38:14 - WARN - www.perldreamerconsulting.com.conf - WebGUI::SQL::ResultSet::unconditionalRead[314] - Unconditional read failed: SELECT SQL_CALC_FOUND_ROWS assetId, isLockedBy from asset where isLockedBy NOT NULL LIMIT 0,100 : You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'NULL LIMIT 0,100' at line 1
06:58 <+perlDreamer> yeah, I was trying to look into the DB
06:59 <@Haarg> ah, so that was a sql report?
06:59 <+perlDreamer> yes
06:59 <@Haarg> no other errors in the logs
07:01 <@Haarg> i think i have everything but the reset command perl::critic clean now
07:01 <@Haarg> that one has pages of issues though of course...
07:06 <+perlDreamer> yup, that's it
07:06 <+perlDreamer> import package, edit 1 asset in it, import package again, commit
07:06 <+perlDreamer> any asset not edited inbetween imports is locked
07:06 <@Haarg> you going to file a bug?
07:07 <+perlDreamer> First I'm going to cry a bit, then I'll file a bug
07:07 <@Haarg> heh
07:07 <+perlDreamer> then I'll try to figure out what in the world happened
07:14 <+perlDreamer> I need a good perl based bug to work on anyway.  All this JS is giving me a backache.
07:25 < CIA-46> WebGUI: jt * r9453 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.40-7.6.10.pl: fixed a bug when a matrix listing didn't have a forum attached
07:25 < CIA-46> WebGUI: jt * r9454 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Inbox/Message.pm: fixed documentation
07:25 < CIA-46> WebGUI: patspam * r9455 /branch/survey-rfe/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ (SurveyJSON.pm ResponseJSON.pm): 
07:25 < CIA-46> WebGUI: More ResponseJSON refactoring.
07:25 < CIA-46> WebGUI: Finished refactoring nextQuestions()
07:25 < CIA-46> WebGUI: Added recordedResponses sub
07:25 < CIA-46> WebGUI: Added getTemplatedText sub
07:25 < CIA-46> WebGUI: Added sectionId, questionId, answerId, sIndex, qIndex, aIndexes
07:26 < CIA-46> WebGUI: abstraction subs
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11:33 < Mtendaji> hi I've just tried to install the current stable on a minimal CentOS install and am just about to give up and try a different CMS ... modperl will not start at all .. can anyone give me a pointer or two to figure out what is up?
11:34 <+BartJol> did you use the wre? 
11:34 < Mtendaji> I've trawled the WebGUI wiki but it is just a nightmare after my 7th page of search and fail its just getting nuts.
11:34 < Mtendaji> yes I did
11:35 <+BartJol> did you run the script setenvironment.sh?
11:35 < Mtendaji> the test environement thing says its good ...
11:35 < Mtendaji> yes I did n+1 times
11:36 < Mtendaji> I can not find a log however ...
11:36 < Mtendaji> file does not exist?
11:37 < Mtendaji> I've vaguely aware of how apache flies in a vanilla linux setup but this is .. well not anytyhing I can figure out.
11:37 < Mtendaji> I suppose a good start would be where does mod perl live under the /data point of the filetree
11:39 <+BartJol> sorry I was a bit busy
11:39 < Mtendaji> thats fine  no probs.
11:39 <+BartJol> the logs should be in /data/wre/var/logs
11:39 < Mtendaji> kk brb ... will have  a look.
11:42 < Mtendaji> kk its swimming in references to Graphics::Magick or Image::Magick
11:42 < Mtendaji> Does that ship with WebGUI or do I chase it down manually ?
11:42 <+BartJol> Image::Magick should be shipped with the wre
11:43 <+BartJol> Graphics::Magick isn't used anymore
11:43 < Mtendaji> ok how do I impliment or re-instate Image::Magcik ?
11:44 <+BartJol> what are the errors?
11:44 <+BartJol> it should work... should
11:44 < Mtendaji> and i quote "Error loading WebGUI::Image! - You must have either Graphics::Magick or Image::Magick installed to run WebGUI."
11:45 <+BartJol> and testEnvironment.pl shows an installed Image::Magick?
11:45 < Mtendaji> --OR-- BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Image.pm line 18.
11:45 < Mtendaji> brb .. I'll look
11:47 < Mtendaji> ahh both that and the obsolete item are defined as " Not Installed, but it's optional anyway"
11:47 <+BartJol> well, it's necessary
11:47 < Mtendaji> why would the installer not do this ...
11:48  * Mtendaji mutters curses
11:48 <+BartJol> dunno actually
11:48 <+BartJol> as long as the curses aren't directed at me, it's fine :)
11:48 < Mtendaji> no its good... not you.
11:49 < Mtendaji> provided you did'nt make the install script ... :)
11:49 <+BartJol> i didn't
11:50 <+BartJol> so you should run it as root, then it should prompt you for installation
11:50 < Mtendaji> ok this begs a fairly obvious question.. is this a perl thing I must install or a ...
11:50 <+BartJol> testEnvironment that is
11:50 < Mtendaji> i'm in the box now as root and all has been done as he from the get go 
11:51 <+BartJol> mmm
11:51 < Mtendaji> i just love KVM's ...
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11:51 <+BartJol> I think it's a cpan install
11:51 < Mtendaji> kk i can webmin it in then ... 
11:52  * Mtendaji hands BartJol a beer
11:52 < Mtendaji> back in five.. 
11:52 <+BartJol> beer! you know me?
11:52 < Mtendaji> not really ...
11:52 < Mtendaji> :>
11:54 <+BartJol> in the WebGUI community we (dutch people) are famous for drinking beer
12:02 < Mtendaji> lol.. we Scots drink whisky ... mostly but in .au it's kinda hot at the moment ... so beer is it
12:02 < Mtendaji> 5 has been officially extended things are slowwwwing at this end.
12:04 <+BartJol> 5?
12:07 < Mtendaji> more like 20 .. run if you have to .. thankyou for your help if you do.
12:10 <+BartJol> aah, I'm stuck here for another6-7 hours, it's work (lunch excluded)
12:12 < Mtendaji> 9pm Friday nigth and ditched by GF till sunday ...
12:13 < Mtendaji> hmm.. outstanding ..
12:14 < Mtendaji> thank you lots and lots... it has worked.
12:14 <+BartJol> great
12:14 < Mtendaji> I do not know why the installer failed to do the module but it seems that via webmin it has worked.
12:14  * Mtendaji hands BartJol another beer ... and grins.
12:15 <+BartJol> it is indeed strange
12:15 <+BartJol> well, it works now
12:15 <+BartJol> thanks
12:15 < Mtendaji> If I do find out I'll put a post at WebGUI
12:16 < Mtendaji> now.. (You Guessed it ..) i'm gonnna go play in it .. :) 
12:16 <+BartJol> off course! that is the fun part
12:16  * Mtendaji waves
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17:02 < elnino> Haarg, can you explain some things in plain english for me?
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17:04 < SDuensin> Greetings.
17:07 < elnino> Hi SDuensin
17:14 < elnino> My customer is experiencing sluggishness.  Now, granted this is a server optimization 101 question, because I'm used to working with a server with a boatload of memory, and bandwidth wasn't an issue either. So I can probably guarenteer you that this server is probably not tuned appropriately to it's resources.
17:15 < elnino> but first I want to make sure I'm explaining this corectly to myself and her....
17:15 < elnino> I understand bandwidth, and I believe wehave issues with that. and that would definately show up as "sluggishness" (HUGE sound files, and IMAGEs gallore)
17:16 < elnino> easy to fix those.
17:16 < elnino> But it's memory.
17:16 < elnino> I know we in the 'gray area" and could definately use some more.
17:16 < elnino> but that eally isn't an option right now.
17:16 < elnino> but I want to explain what memory is used for so SHE understands it.
17:16 < elnino> Anyone with me?
17:16 < elnino> =)
17:17 < SDuensin> I'm with you.  Not sure I have an answer though.
17:17 < elnino> that's ok. I'm glad somebody is following. =)
17:18 < elnino> memory determines how much a server can handel... Is that a good way of explaining it?
17:18 < elnino> and if you have a high number of visitors, each of those visitors need their own "memory space" on the server?
17:18 < SDuensin> I always tell people it's the computer's "thinking space".  Like how much you can keep in your brain at one time without needing to write it down.
17:19 < elnino> so if the server is limited, the server is going to try to diviy up that space as much as it can, but the "thinking space" is just going to get smaller for each visitor on the website.
17:19 < elnino> would that be a fair explaination?
17:20 < SDuensin> Yep.  And when you need to start writing things down, it takes a whole lot longer than just stuffing them into your head.  More memory == faster.  (Unless you're not memory starved, of course.)
17:21 < elnino> and writeing takes up memory too, which means less pie for your customers.
17:21 < elnino> ok. just wanted to make sure that would make sense. She is NOT technical.
17:21 < elnino> And I'm used to having all the pie I want.  =)
17:21 < SDuensin> The best non-technical answer possible:  "Shut up.  It's fine."
17:21 < elnino> no, not when she can't modify content on the website, it's pretty bad...
17:22 < SDuensin> That is bad.  I gave WebGUI to an entire office of non-computer-user types.  They built their entire site themselves!  (Except the template, of course.)
17:23 < elnino> I just did a speed test on the home page. 7 seconds for downloading just the images..
17:23 < elnino> so we have serious problems.
17:24 < elnino> And like I said earilier, I'm probably part o fthe problem, because it's probably not tuned to where it should be given the resources it has, but That's where I'm lost. 
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17:30 <+MrHairgrease> I'm having a problem with Class::InsideOut in that it doesn'tcreate my accessors form me
17:31 <+MrHairgrease> I'm thinking it has something to do with how I'm trying to set thing up.
17:31 <+MrHairgrease> I have a base class WebGUI::Chart which uses C::IO
17:31 <+MrHairgrease> and defines a number of readonly properties  like session
17:32 <+MrHairgrease> Then there's WebGUI::Chart::ChartMagick
17:32 <+MrHairgrease> that also uses C::IO
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17:32 <+MrHairgrease> b/c it defines some other readonly properties
17:32 <+MrHairgrease> however
17:33 <+MrHairgrease> all the accessors (ie. $self->session) that C::IO normally creates for me
17:33 <+MrHairgrease> all return undef
17:33 <+MrHairgrease> anybody has an idea?
17:34 < elnino> not me.
17:34 < elnino> it's pretty quiet here this morning.
17:34 <@Haarg> you are calling register in the subclass as well?
17:34 <+MrHairgrease> Can I actually do a 'use Class::InsideOut' in a class that ISA another class doing 'use C::IO' too?
17:34 <+MrHairgrease> tried that too
17:35 <+MrHairgrease> I'm now trying to use the _buildObject pardigm
17:35 <+MrHairgrease> and overload that
17:36 <@Haarg> are you using Apache2::Reload?
17:36 <+MrHairgrease> no
17:36 <+MrHairgrease> I'm not using that anymore b/c it gave C::IO problems
17:36 <@Haarg> that's all that comes to mind right away
17:36 <+MrHairgrease> yeah
17:36 <+MrHairgrease> me too
17:36 <+MrHairgrease> it sucks
17:36 <@Haarg> can you pastebin your subclass's code?
17:37 <+MrHairgrease> sure 
17:37 <+MrHairgrease> hang on
17:37 <+MrHairgrease> even better
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17:37 <+MrHairgrease> I'll put it in my experimetal branch
17:40 < elnino> I'm using http://analyze.websiteoptimization.com/wso and it says, I could save ### bytes if I compressed my images. how do I compress images,I'm being congratulated that my html is compressed... I'm using wre, so I figured it's probably doing all that...?
17:41 <+MrHairgrease> haarg
17:41 <+MrHairgrease> https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/view/experimental/ChartMagick/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Chart/ChartMagick.pm
17:41 <+MrHairgrease> and its superclass
17:43 <@Haarg> in the subclass you aren't calling register on $self after you get it from SUPER::new
17:43 <+MrHairgrease> i know
17:43 <+MrHairgrease> but i tried that too
17:43 <+MrHairgrease> even stranger
17:44 <+MrHairgrease> the session accessor of the super class didn't work
17:44 <+MrHairgrease> i can imagine that the proeprties in the subclass aren't being p[rocess correctly
17:44 <@Haarg> session is defined as private
17:45 <+MrHairgrease> true
17:45 <+MrHairgrease> but it used to be readonly
17:45 <+MrHairgrease> and then it didn't work
17:45 <+MrHairgrease> I made a session sub doing what it's supposed to
17:45 <+MrHairgrease> so i changed to private for the tim ebeing 
17:50 <+MrHairgrease> even if I put session on readonly again and remove all the C::IO stuff from WG::Chart::ChartMagick
17:50 <+MrHairgrease> the session accessor isn't being generated
17:50 <+MrHairgrease> it's weird
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17:52 <@Haarg> i'm not really sure - nothing stands out
17:52 <+MrHairgrease> yeah i know
17:53 <@Haarg> i'd have to actually run the code
17:53 <+MrHairgrease> i've used C::IO on numerous occasions
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17:53 <+MrHairgrease> and never had problems like this
17:53 <+MrHairgrease> thanks for thinking along though
17:56 < CIA-46> WebGUI: martin * r9458 /experimental/ChartMagick/ (27 files in 13 dirs): Fixes plus wg integration. Not yet functional!
18:00 <+MrHairgrease> From a utility script it seems to work
18:00 <+MrHairgrease> but from apache not so much
18:00 <+MrHairgrease> ...
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18:19 <+perlDreamer> MrHairgrease, that sounds like the caching problem that we found, where forked processes didn't play well with one another.
18:19 <+perlDreamer> But C::IO has proven pretty impervious to that in the past
18:19 <+perlDreamer> and the Shop seems to work well...
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18:19 <+MrHairgrease> yeah
18:20 <+MrHairgrease> I'm totally out of ideas
18:20 <+MrHairgrease> when I do it from a util script it works fine
18:20 <+MrHairgrease> but when I run it from the poll it doesn't at all
18:20 <+MrHairgrease> while using the exact same contruction and config hash
18:21 <+MrHairgrease> it's extra frustrating b/c i wanted to finish the wg part before I go skiing
18:21 <+MrHairgrease> ie. today
18:22 <+MrHairgrease> but that's not gonna happen anymore
18:22 <+MrHairgrease> due to this stupid problem
18:22 <+MrHairgrease> I'm totally convinced it is this really stupid little typo or what ever
18:23 <+perlDreamer> if that is so, then the problem is in the utility script vs the Poll, and not the Chart
18:23 <+perlDreamer> since it works in one, and not the other
18:23 <+MrHairgrease> one runs in apache an the other doesn't
18:23 <+perlDreamer> right
18:23 <+MrHairgrease> Oh
18:23 <+MrHairgrease> i know something
18:23 <+perlDreamer> see?
18:24 <+MrHairgrease> i'll try it from a macro
18:24 <+perlDreamer> I have it on the best of authority that you know quite a bit
18:24 <+MrHairgrease> right now i know i'm frustrated
18:24 <+MrHairgrease> getting aggravated even
18:24 <+MrHairgrease> it's that joeri's feeding me beers
18:24 <+perlDreamer> Especially in the areas of programming, semiconductor physics and fabrication, and personal grooming.
18:24 <+MrHairgrease> or else... =)
18:25 <+perlDreamer> did you see the nasty bug that I found last night?
18:27 < elnino> good morning all - when it takses FOEVER to wreservice --stop spectre, that's bad right? anything I should look at?
18:28 <+MrHairgrease> no dice on the macro
18:28 <+MrHairgrease> I literally copy/pasted the working code from the util script into a macro
18:28 <+BartJol> forever is a long time, relatively
18:28 <+MrHairgrease> perldreamer: what nasty bug
18:28 <+MrHairgrease> I've been buried in work
18:29 < elnino> probably going on a minute now..
18:29 <+MrHairgrease> and I unfortunately haven't been able to keep up with webgui the way  i used too
18:29 <+MrHairgrease> elnino: that's too long
18:29 < elnino> I know!
18:29 <+MrHairgrease> dunno what the problem is though
18:29 < elnino> kill it or wait?
18:29 <+MrHairgrease> try killing it
18:30 <+MrHairgrease> james bond kill spectre al the time
18:30 <+MrHairgrease> and if james bond does it, it must be good =)
18:31 < elnino> that's right.
18:31 < elnino> Does wremonitor keep trying to restart it?
18:31 <+MrHairgrease> think so
18:32 <+MrHairgrease> is your spectre showing this behaviour occasionally
18:32 < elnino> so is there a way to stop wremonitor? I  haven't seen any options for wreservice to stop wremonitor.
18:32 <+perlDreamer> MrHairgrease: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9686
18:32 <+MrHairgrease> haarg or perldreamer: when's teh 7.7 codefreeze
18:32 <+BartJol> it's a cron right?
18:33 <+MrHairgrease> wremonitor should be run by cron yes
18:33 <+BartJol> so comment it in your cronfile
18:33 <+perlDreamer> 7.7 hasn't branched yet, so it will be months from now
18:33 <+perlDreamer> isn't it on the schedule page?
18:33 <+MrHairgrease> prolly
18:33 <+MrHairgrease> didn't know there was one =)
18:34 <+MrHairgrease> nice bug =)
18:34 < elnino> http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9686 - no, I don't do packaging.  sorry.
18:35 < elnino> but my machines slows down to a crawl probably once a month.
18:35 < elnino> or two.
18:35 <+MrHairgrease> hey perldreamer, as a testing guru, do you have any suggestions for writing test for image magick base modules?
18:35 <+perlDreamer> As a matter of fact, I do :)
18:35 <+perlDreamer> I wrote an image test
18:35 <+MrHairgrease> elnino, because of spectre?
18:35 <+perlDreamer> now, where was it...
18:36 < elnino> Well, as a matter of fact, yes. I did some screen shots of before and after ps aux
18:36 < elnino> and spectre was at 58.6 for memory.
18:36 <+MrHairgrease> ouch
18:36 <+perlDreamer> t/Macro/Thumbnail.t
18:36 < elnino> after I killled it and restarted everything, it's at
18:36 < elnino> 3.4
18:37 <+MrHairgrease> it seems something's leaking
18:37 < elnino> I'd say.
18:37 <+MrHairgrease> or that you have very little memory
18:37 < elnino> yes.
18:37 < elnino> that too.
18:37 <+MrHairgrease> maybe some workflow instances are roorring or waiting and cause the leak
18:37 <+MrHairgrease> have you tried running spectre with --run --debug?
18:39 < elnino> no, should I do that before or after killing it?
18:39 <+BartJol> it can be that the spectre settings aren't optimised, Koen did that once, and I've been searching for hours
18:39 <+BartJol> after
18:39 <+MrHairgrease> perldreamer: nice one
18:39 <+BartJol> while no daemon is running
18:40 <+BartJol> spectre daemon
18:40 <+MrHairgrease> you are the true testing guru
18:41 <+BartJol> and of course run it from WebGUI/sbin, not wre/sbin/wreservice.pl
18:44 < elnino> thank you I ckeep forgetting where that is...
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18:44 <+MrHairgrease> perlDreamer: http://images.straus.nl/skigebieden/frankrijk/legrandmassif.groot.jpg
18:44 <+MrHairgrease> that's where I go tomorrow!
18:46 < elnino> is there a way to tput the output of --debug into a file, so I don't have to stare at the screen? I'm seeing nothing allarming, and if I think I do, it zooms past..
18:46 < elnino> can I > to a file?
18:46  * elnino tries
18:47 < elnino> oh good!
18:47 <+perlDreamer> MrHairgrease, looks like tons of fun.
18:47 <+perlDreamer> I haven't been skiing in 10 years
18:47  * elnino gets smart and puts it in background...
18:47 <+perlDreamer> elnino, command | tee file is good, too
18:48 <+perlDreamer> then you get redirection and realtime watching at the same time
18:48 <+MrHairgrease> I'm a big proponent of the idea to move the wuc to Februari or march and to Vail or Aspen
18:48 < elnino> ooohh. nice
18:48 <+MrHairgrease> and only have one session a day
18:48 <+MrHairgrease> for three weeks
18:50 <+MrHairgrease> anyway. I'll have to go to the bar with Bart
18:51 <+MrHairgrease> se you guy in a week or so
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18:53 <+BartJol> elnino: it seems I have to drink beer, good luck with the debug output
18:53 < elnino> Thanks.. I had an error in one config file, but that's fixed.
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19:22 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, found the double import bug.
19:23 <@Haarg> oh?
19:23 <+perlDreamer> When it updates an existing asset, with an open version tag, it sets the status to the status from the package, which is approved.
19:23 <+perlDreamer> but the asset had isLockedBy set from the original import
19:23 <@Haarg> ah
19:24 <+perlDreamer> when the version tag is committed, it only looks for assets that need to be committed.
19:24 <+perlDreamer> since there aren't any, it doesn't reset isLockedBy and whammo
19:24 <+perlDreamer> permanently locked assets
19:24 <+perlDreamer> also, while digging around, I noticed that the version tags created on site creation aren't locked.  I don't know if that's a problem or not.
19:29 <@Haarg> i'll check on that
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20:15 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, I have a fix, but I'm having a hard time getting my head around the downstream consequences.
20:15 <+perlDreamer> This is how I did it.
20:15 <+perlDreamer> If the exact same revision of the asset exists, then it does not import the new asset status from the package.
20:16 <+perlDreamer> AssetPackage, line 150
20:17 <+perlDreamer> the problem is the stuff down below that, where it checks the status of the incoming package and assigns a version tag to pending assets.  That will no longer be needed.
20:18 <+perlDreamer> It changes how the import works now, where you can import stuff that hasn't been committed and it will create a version tag so it can be committed.
20:18 <+perlDreamer> I've thought it through, and don't see any problems with the change.
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20:59 < CIA-46> WebGUI: colin * r9459 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Shop/Transaction.pm): Remove trailing comma in Shop/Transaction JS so IE6 works.
20:59 < CIA-46> WebGUI: bernd * r9460 /translations/German/German/ (9 files): Account_<something>.pm modules completed to 100%. Hover help and template documentation still requires some polishing.
21:00 <+perlDreamer> uh oh
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21:03 < bernd__> Someone particular responsible for the translation server?
21:03 <+perlDreamer> Anyone from Plain Black, but Haarg in particular.
21:04 < bernd__> Haarg, it seems that I caused a conflict.
21:04 < bernd__> Account_Friends.pm is the evil one.
21:04 <+perlDreamer> how about committing the inverse of the patch back to the repo?
21:04 < bernd__> Do you have a commandline for doing that?
21:05 < bernd__> You mean committing the previous version?
21:06 <+perlDreamer> first, you would do
21:07 <+perlDreamer> svn merge -c -9460
21:07 <+perlDreamer> then svn commit
21:07 <+perlDreamer> In merge, when the revision number is negative, it does the opposite of the original
21:07 < bernd__> Ok, let me check.
21:09 < bernd__> Need to change the train first!
21:09 < bernd__> Later.
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21:27 < CIA-46> WebGUI: colin * r9461 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/AssetPackage.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): Prevent an imported package from changing the a current asset's status from pending to anything else.
21:27 < CIA-46> WebGUI: bernd * r9462 /translations/German/German/Account_Friends.pm:
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21:32 <+perlDreamer> Congratulation on your PBWG, danny_mk!
21:32 <+perlDreamer> preaction_ or somebody needs to give you voice status
21:32 < danny_mk> Hey thanks!
21:33 < danny_mk> I have been working on that YUI date picket macro
21:33 < danny_mk> it is working quite well, however the validation is giving me a bit of a headache
21:34  * perlDreamer has a profound fear and lack of knowledge of javascript
21:35  * danny_mk appreciates perlDreamer's fears :-)
21:36 < danny_mk> I am trying to get some time to write tests before the next WUC for the Auth::OpenId module but my boss is really on my ass
21:36 <@preaction_> danny_mk: you'll need to register your nickname on freenode in order for me to voice you. /msg nickserv help register <- for more information
21:37 < danny_mk> OK
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21:41 <+perlDreamer> bernd__, did you catch the train?
21:41 < bernd__> Yes. But I was not able to solve the problem.
21:42 < bernd__> Probably used the wrong revision.
21:42 <+perlDreamer> Is there wifi on the train?
21:42 <+perlDreamer> or do you use a GSM modem?
21:42 < bernd__> No, it's UMTS or GPRS depending on the net available.
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21:43 < bernd__> I think, I will have to wait for Haarg to fix it.
21:43 < bernd__> Going to submit a bug report.
21:43 < bernd__> And and RFE to make the translation server bullet proof.
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21:47 <+perlDreamer> that's going to be one tough RFE
21:47 < bernd__> Then Bernd proof only.
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21:51 <+perlDreamer> Bernd's power far exceeds that of any paltry code that we could put in the server.
21:52 < bernd__> Too much honor.
22:00  * danny_mk has to find a job where he codes in Perl 100% of the time
22:01 < bernd__> Wouldn't that get boring after while?
22:01 < deafferret> never  :)
22:01 <+danny_mk> not really, I am exhausted of jumping between all these languages
22:01 <+perlDreamer> even in WebGUI, you have to do HTML, CSS, SQL and JS
22:01 <+danny_mk> I am quickly learning to hate c++ with a passion
22:01 <+perlDreamer> I'm starting to think there are no any pure perl jobs
22:01 <+perlDreamer> It's like pure math
22:01 < deafferret> oh. ya. good luck getting away from html/css/sql/xml/js
22:02 < bernd__> What's wrong with C++?
22:02  * deafferret chokes
22:02 <+danny_mk> the guy that wrote this application was a "structured" cut and paste programmer
22:02 < CIA-46> WebGUI: colin * r9463 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
22:02 < CIA-46> WebGUI: i18n the image labels and title for the asset manager, manage screen.
22:02 < CIA-46> WebGUI: Also, display the username instead of the userId.
22:03 <+danny_mk> he died from cancer a few weeks ago and my boss now expects me to maintain all this shit!
22:03 < bernd__> Good Luck.
22:03 < bernd__> I hope that C++ wasn't causing the cancer.
22:04 <+danny_mk> I rewrote one of his "utilities" in Perl, Perl (1.5 pages) c++ (12 pages)
22:04 <+danny_mk> 12 second difference
22:04 < bernd__> Which one faster?
22:04 <+danny_mk> c++ of course
22:05 <+danny_mk> but when my boss saw the difference he was very impressed and he finally gave Perl some credit
22:05 < bernd__> Have fun rewriting everything.
22:06 <+danny_mk> hey guess what, do you know how they troubleshoot problems here?  They run the entire application through ddd every time to find problems
22:06 < bernd__> ddd?
22:06 <+danny_mk> c++, c debugger
22:07 < bernd__> Stupid question: is it possible to debug perl?
22:07 <+perlDreamer> sure
22:07 <+perlDreamer> perl -d
22:07 < deafferret> Log::Log4perl is also your friend
22:07 < bernd__> But does not work with mod_perl, I assume?
22:07 <+perlDreamer> no, you can make it work with mod_perl, too
22:08 < bernd__> So, how can I debug an asset or a macro?
22:08 < deafferret> or use Catalyst, which comes with it's own dev server that's easy to perl -d
22:08 <+danny_mk> Catalyst rocks!  
22:10 <+perlDreamer> bernd__: I think your back button bug really is an RFE.
22:10 < bernd__> Ok.
22:11 < bernd__> Do you have permissions to move it?
22:11 <+perlDreamer> No, but I'll speak of those so gifted.
22:11 <+perlDreamer> with those
22:11 < bernd__> Thanks.
22:12 < bernd__> perlDreamer, we have a strange pagination bug on our site.
22:12 < bernd__> It's an article asset.
22:12 <+perlDreamer> which version?
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22:12 < bernd__> 7.5.40
22:13 < bernd__> Is it known?
22:13 <+perlDreamer> there were some pagination bugs fixed a little while ago, in 7.6
22:13 < bernd__> The page URLs all look like http://www.klettern-md.de/home/geschichten/frankreich-2008/michas-reisetagebuch?pn-_Mg=2
22:13 < bernd__> I assume it should be ?pn=2
22:13 <+perlDreamer> no
22:13 <+perlDreamer> well, maybe
22:13 < bernd__> What would be correct then.
22:13 < bernd__> ?
22:14 <+perlDreamer> if there are multiple paginated articles on a page, then sometimes they leak to one another.
22:14 <+perlDreamer> so an attempt was made to make them unique for each article
22:15 < bernd__> Ah, there is a CS on the same page layout having multiple pages.
22:15 < bernd__> Anything I can do?
22:15 <+perlDreamer> what is the bug that you're seeing?
22:15 <+perlDreamer> just the funny URL, or is it behaving badly?
22:18 < bernd__> I cannot select other pages than the first.
22:19 <+perlDreamer> any error messages in the log?
22:20 < bernd__> Not sure. But I cannot check at the moment. My connection is too slow for accessing the server.
22:20 < bernd__> I am going to check when I am home and submit a bug report.
22:20 <+perlDreamer> excellent, except for 1 thing
22:20 <+perlDreamer> no more bug fixes for 7.5.40
22:21 <+perlDreamer> only for 7.6
22:21 < bernd__> I know :-(
22:21 < bernd__> I will never understand that policy.
22:21 <+perlDreamer> it's maintenance overhead
22:22 <+perlDreamer> you can only support FOSS software for so long
22:22 <+perlDreamer> otherwise, JT would be stuck patching 5.5
22:22 < bernd__> Yes, but it prevents releases from becoming rock solid.
22:22 < bernd__> Currently, every update causes new problems.
22:22 < bernd__> The pagination used to work in the past.
22:22 < bernd__> That problem must have been introduced only recently.
22:22 < bernd__> That is the whole problem.
22:23 <+perlDreamer> well, it appears that the fix for a bug introduced another bug
22:23 < bernd__> I keep updating the system and it never gets better.
22:23 <+perlDreamer> is this 7.5.40 from a download, or from SVN?
22:24 <+perlDreamer> I'll be back in a bit, going to grab some lunch
22:24 < bernd__> Updated via wre utility scripts.
22:24 < bernd__> That is interesting: when I change to admin mode pagination is working again.
22:24 < bernd__> Guten Appetit!
22:25 < bernd__> danny_mk, I agree that webgui should have a native chat asset.
22:26 <+danny_mk> If it does not get done before I get to it I will build it, I just have to work on so much other stuff 
22:26 < bernd__> Are you aware of the ShortChat asset in the bazaar?
22:26 <+danny_mk> there is a simple one out here
22:26 < bernd__> Probably that one.
22:27 < bernd__> Does it still work with 7.6?
22:28 <+danny_mk> not sure, i think there was a presentation done last year for it
22:29 <@preaction_> i did one in 07 that included a very simple chat asset
22:29 <@preaction_> haven't got around to updating it to use the installClass.pl script
22:29 <+danny_mk> We need one that has user ban list, stealth mode, etc...
22:30 < bernd__> Why not a full IRC client?
22:30 < bernd__> I am using CGI:IRC as a workaround at the moment.
22:30 < bernd__> It is all perl.
22:30 < bernd__> But the code is terrible :-(
22:31 <+danny_mk> I bet :-)
22:31 < bernd__> Why do all perl coders seem to avoid documentation in the code?
22:31 < bernd__> Even webgui devs do...
22:31 <+danny_mk> Well, some of it should be intuitive
22:31 <+danny_mk> however, there are some hacks out there that scare me
22:32 < bernd__> It is always only intuitive to the one who wrote it.
22:32 < bernd__> And only for the first three weeks :-)
22:32 <+danny_mk> WebGUI is pretty good
22:33 <+danny_mk> Well, some of it anyway :-)
22:33 <+danny_mk> LOL
22:33  * danny_mk better shutup before he gets banned
22:34 < bernd__> LOL?
22:34 < elnino> laugh out loud
22:34 < bernd__> Ah.
22:35 <+danny_mk> hey, I would trade Perl code for C++ code right now
22:35 <+danny_mk> I could of had this done months ago
22:36  * danny_mk still talking about his current c++ development at his current job
22:40 < bernd__> Ok, I am getting close to my destination.
22:40 < bernd__> Have fun guys!
22:40 < bernd__> And gals, of course.
22:40 <+danny_mk> you too
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22:41 <+perlDreamer> one of my favorite rizen quotes is:
22:42 <+perlDreamer> WebGUI is a big pile of steaming crap
22:42 <+perlDreamer> But it's best pile of crap out there
22:43 < bernd__> Hm, wasn't that the iPhoneGuy according to the advertisement?
22:43 < bernd__> I mean, the banner shown on top of webgui.org.
22:43 <+perlDreamer> could be
22:45 < bernd__> I think it was cut out of a chat conversation.
22:45 < bernd__> Really need to go now. Bye!
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22:46 <@preaction_> yeah, that was maxscience/iPhoneGuy
22:47 <+perlDreamer> rizen thought he had a third alias, too
22:48 <@preaction_> yeah, i think it's something like rubyDreamer or something
22:48 <@preaction_> pythonDreamer maybe?
22:48 <@preaction_> no, it's c#Dreamer
22:49 <+perlDreamer> adaDreamer
22:49 <+perlDreamer> fortranDreamer
22:50 <+danny_mk> maybe groovyDreamer
22:50 <+perlDreamer> preaction_: on the bug board, we also need a promote to bug and demote to RFE feature, so I don't have to pester you guys all the time
22:51 <@preaction_> IF I HAD MY WAY... HelpDesk would have bugs and rfes in the same thing
22:52 <@preaction_> the default view would show only bugs assigned to WebGUI stable and beta projects
22:52 <@preaction_> and etc...
22:52 <+perlDreamer> isn't that like getting peanut butter in your chocolate, and chocolate in your peanut butter
22:54 <@preaction_> i don't think that's a bad thing!
23:02 <+perlDreamer> preaction_: how about if you take me under your wing and help me fix the datatable bug?
23:03 <@preaction_> there is no datatable bug, it's a datatable feature
23:03 <@preaction_> what's the feature?
23:03 <+perlDreamer> the one where you can enter dates but they show up as NaN/NaN/NaN in the table
23:04 <+perlDreamer> I guess those are covert dates
23:04 <@preaction_> can't have everyone knowing our SEKIRT PLAN
23:05 <@preaction_> perlDreamer: the datatable is stored as JSON in the database, what do date columns look like?
23:06 <+perlDreamer> you want an in-channel paste, or a pastebin?
23:06 <+perlDreamer> it's _just_ 1 line
23:06 <+perlDreamer> that's 160 characters long ;)
23:07 <@preaction_> pastebin... it's one BIG line...
23:07 <@preaction_> you jerk
23:07 <@preaction_> that's what i call you because that's what you are!
23:07 <+perlDreamer> http://webgui.pastebin.com/m2adcd4cd
23:08 <@preaction_> uh... there's no values
23:08 <+perlDreamer> you asked for a column
23:08 <@preaction_> that's the entire json in that datatable?
23:09 <@preaction_> oh, sorry
23:09 <+perlDreamer> no, just the 1 column
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23:09 <@preaction_> MY BAD, GOD
23:09 <@preaction_> uh, i mean, what do the values look like?
23:09 <+perlDreamer> http://webgui.pastebin.com/m6cd39e24
23:09 <@preaction_> the combine is sending gunships after me, so i'm a little on-edge
23:09 <+perlDreamer> no need to tell God, he already knows
23:10 <+perlDreamer> dateTtimeZ
23:11 <@preaction_> thats kinda weird really
23:11 <+perlDreamer> when you choose the date from the date selector, it looks fine
23:11 <+perlDreamer> but after you hit save, the view display is NaN, and when you re-edit, it's NaN
23:12 <@preaction_> my next idea would be to step through the YUI DataTable initialization process (specifically the date formatter, YAHOO.format.Date i believe
23:12 <@preaction_> it seems the Date picker is setting a value the Date formatter doesn't understand
23:12 <+perlDreamer> ah, but when it's first added, it's fine
23:12 <+perlDreamer> so I'm guessing it's the parse
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23:24 < juan1> i have some sites in 7.4.40 and in them i have some problems with accents or data codification
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23:25 < juan1> i upgrade to 7.5 can i fix this problems
23:26 < juan1> apache2 has some settings related to codification
23:26 < juan1> ?
23:31 < deafferret>  /win 4
23:31 < deafferret> oops. sorry
23:32 < elnino> not quite sure what the question is juan1
23:35 <@Haarg> it sounds like you are talking about character encoding problems juan1 
23:36 <@Haarg> they should be all resolved in WebGUI 7.5
23:44 < juan1> yes
23:44 < juan1> character encoding problems
23:45 < juan1> i had the sites 7.4.40 with problems
23:45 < juan1> now i upgraded to 7.5 and the problems continues
23:49 < juan1> i have mysql in utf8
23:49 <@preaction_> juan1: make sure you're using the latest 7.5
23:50 < juan1> i am in 75.20
23:50 < juan1> now
23:52 <@preaction_> that is pretty old
23:53 < juan1> i am going to upgrade to 7.5.40
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00:02 < juan1> now the site is 7.5.40 and the problems continues
00:02 <@Haarg> what kind of problems are they?
00:02 < juan1> character encoding problems
00:03 <@Haarg> yes... need a bit more to go on
00:03 <@Haarg> where are you seeing the problems?
00:03 <@Haarg> what kind of assets?
00:03 < juan1> CS
00:03 < juan1> polls
00:04 <+perlDreamer> juan1, can you share a URL with us?
00:04 < juan1> what else have i to do?
00:05 < juan1> the thing is that i have a backup of one site that i have in production
00:06 < juan1> i am going to send you the link of the site in 7.4.40
00:06 < juan1> but the problems are the same
00:06 < juan1> in the same assets
00:06 < juan1> http://www.paratufamilia.com/home/adolescencia--y-jvenes
00:08 < elnino> juan1, Somehere in the upgrade, there was a bug fix for encoded characters. I was affected by this too.
00:08 < elnino> I don't remember which version it was. But the squares was a result.
00:08 < juan1> no, all the upgrade was sucessfull
00:09 < elnino> yes, but during the upgrade, one of the bug fixes applied to one of the versions addressed an issue with data in the database.
00:09 < elnino> and the data in the database was changed either to a different datatype or encoding, which resulted in changing your data - hence the boxes with ? marks in them
00:10 < elnino> I'm doing a terrible job explaining this, but I think it was perlDreamer or preation_ that explained it to me last.
00:10 <+perlDreamer> probably preaction_ or Haarg.
00:10 < elnino> It is proably mentioned in the gotchas.
00:11 < elnino> but basically, webgui tried their best in retaining the encoding, but there were characters they didn't know what to do with.
00:11 < elnino> the result is what you see. I had to go modify all my data.
00:11 < elnino> most of the time, it was just a matter of resaving the data,
00:11 < elnino> other times, I had to modify the data in the asset.
00:12 < juan1> what?
00:12 < elnino> like I said, I'm doing a terrible job explaining it.
00:14 < juan1> i understand you but edit every data with problems when you have many assets specially CS is a large task
00:15 <@Haarg> in 7.4 and prior, the data was being stored incorrectly in the database.  sometimes it would work, but other times it caused problems.  we tried to fix this in 7.5, but the conversion wasn't perfect.  it wasn't always possible to tell what form the data in the database was to begin with.
00:17 < juan1> if you upgrade and continues the data problems you have to fixed manually
00:18 <@Haarg> what was the upgrade path you followed?
00:18 < juan1> 7.4.40 to 7.5.20
00:18 <@Haarg> you said you are on 7.5.20 right now, what were you running prior to that?
00:18 <@Haarg> ok
00:18 < juan1> 7.5.20 to 7.5.40
00:19 < juan1> was the process correct?
00:19 <@Haarg> yes, i'm just verifying something
00:21 <@Haarg> was just making sure you didn't get hit with a separate issue, but you wouldn't have
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04:13 < elnino> anyone have svn and webgui wre installed together?
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04:29 < elnino> anyone have two instances of mysql on a single server? I didn't see a wiki on it. I suspect that after I install wre, I can start up my 'first' instance of mysql without a problem?
04:38 < jmarsden> elnino: You would need to make sure each instance of MySQL bound to different TCP ports or to different (local) IP addresses if you have multiple IPs/interfcaes on your server.
04:39 < elnino> ok. Thanks! I assume that bugzilla and subversion will let me do that.  I'm trying to read up on those before committing to the gig.
04:40 < jmarsden> I don't understand... you mean, you want to configure bugzilla and subversion to use one instance of mysql, and webgui to use a different one.  Sounds doable... but why do you need to do it?
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04:41 < jmarsden> They won't use the same databases anyway.
04:41 < elnino> no, I believe his setup is that bugzilla and subversion are using different databases. I thought he said they both use mysql. Maybe only one of them does.
04:42 < elnino> anyway, depending on what he has, I would combine them, but I dont' know enough about bugzilla and svn yet.
04:42 < jmarsden> Different databases != different instances of mysql.  You can have one mysql daemon that hosts hundreds of databases... I have one like that on a server I manage...
04:42 < elnino> I know.
04:43 < elnino> they already exist and have an instance of mysql running, I'm adding webgui to the system.
04:43 < elnino> so iether I move those databases into webgui's instance, or leave as is and adjust the ports.
04:44 < elnino> for the two software.
04:44 < elnino> I have a feeling he alredy has two instances of mysql installed, but i'm not sure.
04:44 < jmarsden> OK, so just point webgui to use that existing instance... why create a new mysql instance just for webgui??
04:44 < elnino> so webgui would be a third.
04:44 < elnino> because I don'tknow howto do that with wre =)
04:45 < elnino> I'd rather move those two to wre's instance, rather than moving webgui's database to their instance.. 
04:45 < jmarsden> Why do you need the separation of multiple instances... oh.  It must configure the database params somewhere... I'd either use a source tarball webgui install, or else kill the WRE MYSQL and point webgui at the existing mysql... but that's just me.
04:46 < elnino> yes, wre actually installs mysql in it's "space"
04:46  * jmarsden is uncomfortable with the whole WRE approach of "do everything yourself all over again even if the system already does it"... but that's a philosophy issue!
04:46 < elnino> I was like you jmarsden.
04:47 < jmarsden> So... what made you "see the WRE light"?
04:47 < elnino> but when you hand over a system to someone else, wre is TONS easier to maintain. I've done the source install, and I don't know if I'd ever recommend it again. You are probably more of a hacker than I care to be.
04:48 < elnino> it took me 2 weeks to do. I had a 64-bit system that wasn't supported back then runnin suse and it was a bear.
04:48 < jmarsden> That's probably true... I am a sysadmin/netadmin mostly and have been doing that for 20+ years...
04:48 < elnino> it prbably wasn't just webgui, but everything I needed to install was buggy let alone I had hardware isssues too that I didn't know about
04:48 < elnino> I don't have 20 yeras under my belt yet.. getting there...
04:48 < jmarsden> Hopefully in future you can do the Ubuntu package install and get the best of both worlds: easy webgui install plus use the stuff the system proves :)
04:49 < elnino> and it's not sysadmin. It's programing.
04:49 < elnino> I had a newwork guy that did all that for me.  =)
04:50 < elnino> I thought ubuntu was a dev version of something else.
04:50 < jmarsden> No, Ubuntu is a Linux distro the same way Fedora or Debian or SuSE or Mandriva are.
04:50 < elnino> just to be sure.. wre sometimes gets a little too smart for itself, and can cause problems 
04:51 < elnino> hmmm. i know there's something out there, that is related to another distro, one's the dev, and the other is more for production and they have different names.. can't think. 
04:51 < elnino> so many out there.
04:51 < jmarsden> I need to look at it more closely; I took one look at WRE, basically, went "ewwww", and chose the source tarball :)
04:52 < jmarsden> Fedora can be considered the dev version for RHEL, in some ways.
04:52 < elnino> lol I did the exact opposit.
04:52 < elnino> maybe that's the two.
04:56  * jmarsden decides to create a virtual server this evening just to install WRE and see what it really looks like... :)
04:57 <@Haarg> elnino, it's pretty simple to configure the wre to use the system's mysql
04:57 < elnino> it's got some nice utilities.  Upgrades takes 10mins or so. I may look at the source install when I recover from 4 years ago.  =)
04:57 < elnino> I'm listening Haarg.
04:57 < elnino> do I just kill it and adjust the config?
04:58 <@Haarg> well, you can set the db information in the wre.conf file
04:58 <@Haarg> and just never start the wre's mysql after getting it installed
04:58 < elnino> ok.
04:58 <@Haarg> mysql is the simplest part to use the system's version of
04:58 < elnino> does the wreservice "know" that I'm using the system's mysql?
04:59 <@Haarg> it wouldn't
04:59 < elnino> ok. so don't do "all"
04:59 <@Haarg> yeah
04:59 <@Haarg> but that's usually never needed anyway
04:59 < elnino> I'll commit it out.
04:59 < elnino> s/commit/comment
05:05 < elnino> Haarg, i'm writting a VERY simple/high level wiki.   are there any startup scripts in wre that would need to be disabled?
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05:29 < elnino> Haarg, what about perl.. I believe either subversion or bugzilla uses perl...should I modify the conf as if I was following the source install instrcutions (which I've done before)
05:33 <+perlDreamer> does anybody have a good maultaschen recipe?
05:34 <+perlDreamer> where good = not much spinach
05:34 < elnino> you mean Spaetzle
05:35 <+perlDreamer> oh no, Spaetzle we have covered
05:35 <+perlDreamer> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maultaschen
05:35 < elnino> oh, this is filled pasta.  are you german.
05:35 <+perlDreamer> No, but my wife wants to be
05:35 < elnino> lol
05:35 <+perlDreamer> She's reading over my shoulder, she says Hi!
05:36 < elnino> I could ask my mom....it's still early.
05:36 < elnino> hi!
05:36 < elnino> she's bound to have german recipies.
05:36 <+perlDreamer> Your mom?  She's german?  And Schwabish?
05:36 < elnino> she's 100% german.  makeing me half.
05:36 < elnino> my dad, well, the other half of me is mutt.
05:37 <+perlDreamer> Kathy spent a year on exchange in Germany while she was in college.
05:37 <+perlDreamer> i had to chase her across the Atlantic ocean twice!
05:38 < elnino> And you won!
05:38 <+perlDreamer> Lucky man that I am.
05:38 <+perlDreamer> Fortunately for me, Portland is large enough that is sports a few German deli's and restaurants.
05:39 <+perlDreamer> so we can get ingredients and stuff that are hard to find over here
05:39 < elnino> I'm on the phone with my mom. She doesn't have a recipe, but she knows someone that might. When do you need it by?
05:39 <+perlDreamer> No rush.  Several weeks would be great
05:40 <+perlDreamer> We just found out tonight that the boys will eat it.
05:40 <+perlDreamer> So now if we can make it from scratch, we can have it more often.
05:40 <+perlDreamer> Please tell you mom and her friend that I owe them one.
05:40 <+perlDreamer> so if they ever need WebGUI help, perl programming, etc.  I've got it covered.
05:41 < jmarsden> perlDreamer: http://www.chefkoch.de/rs/s0/maultaschen/Rezepte.html has 147 Maultaschen recipies... good enough?
05:41 < elnino> =)
05:41 <+perlDreamer> awesome quantity, but tried and true always helps
05:42 <+perlDreamer> maybe we could swap your mom for a recipe
05:42 <+perlDreamer> Does she like breakfast cookies?
05:42 < elnino> lol.
05:44 < elnino> you think that I would have more time on my hands, but I seem to be spending as much time on the computer as I did working =(
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05:47 < elnino> i would liked to have tried that recipe by now
05:49 <+perlDreamer> Other things came up
05:49 <+perlDreamer> Besides we had it for 15 years before we tried to make any
05:49 <+perlDreamer> You've only had it for a week.
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06:00 < elnino> Did Kathy just sign on?
06:05 <+perlDreamer> she's had an account for a while
06:05 <+perlDreamer> but she's not on very often
06:09 < elnino> You know, the comment I made about my dad, that didn't sound too good, did it? ... He has a lot of nationalities, that's what I meant. It could have been taken a very wrong way in many ways.
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13:42 < OrenShani> hello
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17:14 < daviddelikat> any body know how to create a 'help desk'
17:14 < daviddelikat> what item on the 'new content' admin menu is used?
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19:10 < wgGuest85> Hello?
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19:46 < CIA-46> WebGUI: yung * r9465 /WebGUI/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed #9671: Survey - breaks admin bar
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23:21 < CIA-46> WebGUI: yung * r9466 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixing a problem with previous survey fix
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23:53 < CIA-46> WebGUI: - Added a switch to allow the use of non-WebGUI objects with the Workflow
23:53 < CIA-46> WebGUI:  engine.
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05:19 < elnino> hi.
05:19 < elnino> after my last spell of seeing spectre using 58% of my memory, I decided to watch it a little closer.
05:20 < elnino> every hour it increases about 1.5 when viewing it via ps aux
05:20 < elnino> then I started seeing two of them.
05:20 < elnino> So first question, what would cause two of them to appear?
05:20 < elnino> running 7.5.24
05:21 < elnino> with 8.5 wre (I believe)
05:43 <@preaction_> elnino: two of them because one can't be killed by the wremonitor (the one that is growing out of control)
05:43 < elnino> ok.  thanks
05:43 < elnino> I'm thinking I should restart the spectre service every night.
05:43 < elnino> thoughts?
05:46 < elnino> that way it doesn't have a chance to grow. I really don't know how to even start looking to see why it's growing over time... =(
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06:25 < elnino> hi patspam
06:25 < patspam> hi elnino!
06:25 < elnino> just waking up?
06:25 < patspam> heh i wish, 3:30pm over here :)
06:26 < elnino> I thought you were 12 hours diff
06:26 < patspam> which tz are you in?
06:26 < elnino> CST
06:26 < elnino> minnesota
06:27 < elnino> I guess it's only 7 hours.
06:27 < patspam> ah ok.. cst is UTC-6
06:27 < patspam> I'm in EST which is UTC+10
06:27 <+Radix-wrk> 1:26pm here
06:28 < elnino> yep.
06:28 < elnino> where are you radix-wrk?
06:28 <+Radix-wrk> Opposite side of australia to patspam ;)
06:28 <+Radix-wrk> West Coast
06:28 < patspam> nice and far away from the bushfires!
06:29 <+Radix-wrk> We get enough here too usually.. but yeah.. you guys are having a hard time atm :(
06:29 < elnino> niether of you have much of an accent.  =)
06:29 <+Radix-wrk> irc accents.. yeah, that's something that'd be interesting..
06:35 < elnino> can't be too far away, record your voice, and the computer can read the words in your tone... 
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07:09 < elnino> hey preaction_, do you see an issues of me restartn gmy spectre everynight so it doesn't grow too big over time?  I don't know how to even start looking to see why it grows over time. unless you do.
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09:26 < wgGuest93> TEST
09:26 < wgGuest93> HELLO
09:26 < wgGuest93> SOMEBODY HERE
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15:19 < zylopfa> Anyone familar with the payment driver api?
15:19 < ryuu_ro> kind of, what are you looking for?
15:20 < zylopfa> I am creating a driver for a danish payment provider (the one banks also use)
15:20 < zylopfa> Problem with this is that you don't get a "postback' when the users subscription needs to be renewed
15:20 < zylopfa> You should handling the "re-authorization" yourself, the provider dont do this
15:21 < ryuu_ro> yeah, that's sounds like a familair problem
15:21 < zylopfa> So I have to create "workflows" on the run, whenever i get a subscriber
15:22 < zylopfa> It will be a lot of workflows like this :(
15:22 < ryuu_ro> do you know how often a subscription needs to be renewed?
15:22 < zylopfa> Will that not be a major ressource hog?
15:22 < ryuu_ro> every three months or so?
15:22 < zylopfa> Every month or so
15:23 < zylopfa> but its the sku that should define that
15:23 < zylopfa> so its different from what sku you have
15:23 < ryuu_ro> ok, so every evening/night you wan't to run a workflow to check for the subscriptons
15:23 < ryuu_ro> and for how many users?
15:23 < zylopfa> ahh yeah good idea
15:23 < zylopfa> it should scale very good
15:24 < zylopfa> I have no users atm but i plan for it to be used with thousands of users
15:24 < ryuu_ro> ok, at this moment we run workflows every night that process about 50.000 thousand users
15:24 < zylopfa> I can check the users every day which are in the group for the sku's
15:25 < zylopfa> cause the sku's for recurring define what group users should be in
15:25 < zylopfa> yeah ryuu_ro i should make 1 workflow for this
15:25 < ryuu_ro> it takes up to half an hour on the most complex workflows
15:25 < ryuu_ro> yeah
15:25 < ryuu_ro> absolutely
15:25 < zylopfa> I want it to make the workflow dynamically
15:25 < zylopfa> so other users can use my module easy
15:25 < zylopfa> so they dont have to worry about creating workflows or setting them up
15:26 < ryuu_ro> ok, well that sounds good :)
15:26 < zylopfa> Its the major danish payment provider i make it for
15:26 < zylopfa> they are in charge of clearing all creditcards in denmark
15:26 < ryuu_ro> which one is that? In holland we have Ogone
15:26 < zylopfa> all other providers go through this company also banks
15:26 < zylopfa> PBS its called
15:27 < ryuu_ro> ok, thats cool
15:27 < zylopfa> Banks Payment Serivces its called if you translate it
15:27 < zylopfa> Its also the entity that own the danish credit card the "Dankort"
15:28 < zylopfa> ryuu_ro, thanks a lot for helping me clear this out
15:28 < ryuu_ro> no problem! Good luck with creating the workflow
15:28 < zylopfa> thanks a lot!
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18:10 < SDuensin> Hello all.
18:11 <@preaction> morning
18:12 <+perlDreamer> howdy, SDuensin
18:13  * SDuensin is still alive out here.  Just damn busy.
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19:22 < CIA-46> WebGUI: colin * r9468 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/EMSBadge.pm): Fix bad form variable for phone number in EMS Badge address info.
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19:55 < CIA-46> WebGUI: yung * r9469 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.pm: fixed Matrix best/worst rated lists
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20:06 <+perlmonkey2> err, what's broken when the asset manager isn't showing any assets?
20:07 <+perlmonkey2> and Haarg that tmpl editor function for wgd is incredibly useful.
20:09 <+perlmonkey2> ah, nevermind, it is of course a domain name issue.
20:24  * perlDreamer heads to the office.  bbiaw
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21:05 <+perlDreamer> can someone with a Safari browser please try to duplicate this bug: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9107
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21:14 < ryuu_ro> perlDreamer: works for me
21:14 <+perlDreamer> that's what I want to hear
21:15 < ryuu_ro> :)
21:20 < CIA-46> WebGUI: colin * r9470 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Prefill in the email address in the ITransact credentials form from the user's Shop address.
21:50 <+perlmonkey2> Haarg: in 7.6 does the wgd edittmpl have problems if there is nothing in the head tag for you?
21:51 <@Haarg> are you using edittmpl?
21:51 <@rizen> git sucks
21:51 <@Haarg> i haven't actually used the command much myself
21:51 <@rizen> git requires more work
21:51 <@rizen> git is less safe
21:51 <@rizen> and Haarg likes git
21:52 <@rizen> so that makes it doubly worse
21:52 <@Haarg> but in the latest version that command is just called 'edit'
21:52 <+perlmonkey2> Haarg: yep
21:53 <+perlDreamer> rizen, git is like a very large, very sharp +5 battle axe of code management
21:53 <+perlDreamer> it must be swung very carefully
21:54 <+perlDreamer> otherwise, you can chop off your own legs and bleed to death in a frenzy of version control
21:54 <+perlmonkey2> Haarg: ah, looks like whatever was wrong is fixed in the latest
21:54 <+perlmonkey2> thanks :)
21:54 <+perlDreamer> but when facing monsters, it is your best friend
21:55 <@rizen> perlDreamer: if git and svn were in a fight, git might be able to slice svn in half, but svn would win because it could stab git in the belly before git even got moving
21:56 < zylopfa> I am having some interesting problems with my payment driver
21:56 <+perlDreamer> bring it on, zylopfa
21:57 < zylopfa> ok here it is: the payment gateway i code against does not post back when a recurring payment is due
21:57 < zylopfa> you have to do it yourself in webgui code
21:57 <+perlDreamer> then you need a workflow
21:57 <+perlDreamer> or, even better, a cron job
21:58 < zylopfa> all the payment gateway do is save the creditcard data for later deduction
21:58 < zylopfa> yeah but my real problem is this
21:58 < zylopfa> I made an initial transaction for the recurring subscription
21:58 < zylopfa> and the subscriber has been put in the group SubscriberGroup
21:58 < zylopfa> this is good so far
21:58 < zylopfa> BUT
21:58 <+perlDreamer> yes
21:58 <+perlDreamer> uh oh
21:59 <+perlDreamer> there's a "but"
21:59 < zylopfa> now i need to create a daily that checks the SubscriberGroup's members, transaction ( the initial one)
21:59 < zylopfa> and make a new transaction using the id of the initial transaction
22:00 < zylopfa> but i dont know how this is done best
22:00 < zylopfa> i mean i need relations from "SubscriberGroup" => these users transactions, that put them in this group
22:01 < zylopfa> I dont know how i do this
22:01 <+perlDreamer> it sounds like you need a separate table
22:01 <+perlDreamer> that records userIds and transactions
22:01 < zylopfa> damn, thats not so pro when i want to make a payment driver for webgui
22:01 <+perlDreamer> also, for ease, expiration dates
22:01 <+perlDreamer> well, if the system stores credit card data, that's another problem
22:02 < zylopfa> my system doesnt
22:02 <+perlDreamer> I think it is forbidden for core code to store credit card data
22:02 < zylopfa> it only store original transaction id
22:02 <+perlDreamer> oh, that's okay then
22:02 < zylopfa> and from that you can draw more money from the card
22:02 <+perlDreamer> that's the same thing, then
22:02 < zylopfa> I can make the first transactions fine, but i have problem making subsequent ones
22:02 < zylopfa> cause i cant find a query that can do it
22:03 <+perlDreamer> that's what building the 2nd table would get you
22:03 <+perlDreamer> in my opinion, anyway
22:03 < zylopfa> perlDreamer, but no creditcard data is on my system its in the paymentgateways system
22:03 <+perlDreamer> I understand, zylopfa
22:04 < zylopfa> I wanted to make it easy like this: subscribers gets added to "Subscribers" group and a workflow is executed when they expire
22:04 < zylopfa> this workflow then initiates recurring payments based on original transactionid 
22:05 <@rizen> Haarg is a complainer
22:05 <+perlDreamer> rizen, are you sure you're not confusing Haarg with me?
22:05 < zylopfa> but i guess its better to create a table with "current recurring subscriptions"
22:06 <@rizen> turns out Haarg has vanity issues
22:06 <+perlDreamer> zylopfa, a separate table is very clear.
22:06  * perlDreamer staunchly defends Haarg
22:07 <+perlDreamer> and reminds rizen that we had similar problems switching from CVS to SVN
22:07 <@rizen> i should also mention that Haarg is a purist
22:07 <+perlDreamer> if we switch git, it will be the last version control system we use ever!
22:07 <+perlDreamer> for at least two years
22:07 < zylopfa> perlDreamer, if i want this driver to be included in webgui isn't it stupid to use none core things? like adding new tables to the shop thing?
22:07 <@rizen> which makes him not only elitest but exclusionary
22:08 <@rizen> which goes against the principals of open source
22:08 <+perlDreamer> zylopfa, adding new tables is not a problem
22:08 <+perlDreamer> just manage them well
22:08 < zylopfa> yeah
22:08 < zylopfa> the payment driver is pretty complex when you have to take care of the recurring things yourself
22:08 < zylopfa> ITransact dont have to do that
22:08 <+perlDreamer> if it really bothers you, you could run through the entire transaction table and manually check for the data
22:08 < zylopfa> either does Paypal
22:08 <+perlDreamer> but wow, that's a lot of work
22:09 < zylopfa> yeah but the Subscriptions has different revisions
22:09 < zylopfa> well i make the extra table
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22:10 < zylopfa> The gateway i program to uses SOAP
22:11 < zylopfa> perlDreamer, when i have made this PayDriver, the PayPal one will be piece of cake
22:12 <+perlDreamer> cool.  I might have been able to pick up a customer if WebGUI had a PayPal plugin
22:12 <+perlDreamer> so the sooner it is done, the better
22:12 < zylopfa> ok i will make it very soon then
22:12 <+perlDreamer> they went with a dotNetNuke site
22:12 < zylopfa> and with recurring and all the stuff it support
22:12 <+perlDreamer> and it is dog slow
22:13 < zylopfa> perlDreamer, can i ask some other things
22:13 <+perlDreamer> rizen: we can forgive him his puritanical ways, he drinks dark beer, hacks perl and builds beautiful tools
22:13 <+perlDreamer> zylopfa, you may always ask
22:13 <+perlDreamer> no need to ask
22:13 <+perlDreamer> although, I need to leave the coffeeshop soon
22:14 <+perlDreamer> (10 minutes or so)
22:14 < zylopfa> when you create a Subscription Wobject
22:14 < zylopfa> you have the option to choose subscription period
22:15 <+perlDreamer> ywa
22:15 <+perlDreamer> yes
22:15 < zylopfa> but its limited to 6 presets, like week,2weeks, month, ect.
22:15 < zylopfa> could there be made an alteration to the definition so you can provide the number of days?
22:16 < zylopfa> in addition to the presets maybe
22:17 < zylopfa> or should i just create another Subscription module that overrides the definition?
22:17 <+perlDreamer> that's what I would do
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22:17 < zylopfa> yeah me too
22:17 < zylopfa> its fairly easy
22:17 <+perlDreamer> changes to Shop::Pay.pm would need to supported by all plugins
22:17 < zylopfa> yeah true
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22:18 < zylopfa> perlDreamer, but Shop.Pay has nothing to do with the subscription itself
22:18 <+perlDreamer> Asset/Sku/Subscription pulls recurrance data from Shop/Pay.pm
22:18 < zylopfa> its just the amount of time before the user gets removed from the subscription
22:19 < zylopfa> Are you sure perlDreamer ?
22:19 <+perlDreamer> very sure
22:19 < zylopfa> I thought it was like this:
22:19 <@rizen> perlDreamer: i'd like to set a new IRC policy
22:19 <@rizen> instead of telling people that they don't have to ask to ask
22:19 < zylopfa> yeah thats me
22:19 <+perlDreamer> See line 141 of Asset/Sku/Subscription
22:19 <@rizen> simply say "shoot" or "go" or "do it"
22:19 <+perlDreamer> will do, rizen
22:19 <@rizen> it's far shorter than all that other nonsense
22:20 <@rizen> and probably less frustrating to the end user
22:20 < zylopfa> Pay Subscription => user gets put in group defined in subscription sku 
22:20 <@rizen> perlDreamer: i'm incapable of forgiving haarg because bitching at him about how ridiclous git is, well, it's just too much fun
22:21 <+perlDreamer> well, far be it from me to deprive you of such fun
22:21 < zylopfa> and they get removed by a workflow that remove users from the groups they expired from
22:21 <@rizen> so to commit instead of doing:
22:21 <@rizen> svn update
22:21 < metanil> What factor determines the accessibility of each Admin Console components?
22:21 <@rizen> svn commit -m "something"
22:21 <@rizen> i must do
22:21 <@rizen> git pull origin master
22:21 <@rizen> git commit -a -m "something"
22:21 <@rizen> git push origin
22:21 <@rizen> that's a lot more typing
22:22 <@rizen> i'm going to be 50% less efficient
22:22 <@rizen> at least until i write the "gitspit" command
22:22 <@rizen> and the "gitsuck" command
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22:22 <@Haarg> git config alias.up 'pull origin master'
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22:23 < juan1> what is the best way to migrate a site between servers?
22:23 <@bpmedley> that would probably take a support ticket
22:23 <@Haarg> only if it's hosted with us
22:24 < zylopfa> juan1, dump the database 
22:24 <@Haarg> and copy the uploads directory
22:24 < zylopfa> and backup the /data tree
22:24 < zylopfa> and copy the data tree to the new server
22:24 <@Haarg> you may or may not need to transfer the config file as well
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22:24 < zylopfa> and load the database back to your mysql there
22:24 <+perlDreamer> Haarg config files would come with /data
22:24 < bernd_kz> perlDreamer, you are wonderful ;-)
22:24 < zylopfa> indeed!
22:25 < bernd_kz> Thanks for the patch!
22:25 <+perlDreamer> you're welcome, bernd_kz
22:25 <@Haarg> if you're only copying one site though
22:25 < zylopfa> yeah
22:25 <@Haarg> doing the entire /data is a bit much
22:25 < zylopfa> true
22:25 <@Haarg> depending on your setup of course
22:25 <+perlDreamer> but it does guarantee that you get exactly the same setup on both sites
22:25 <@Haarg> and if the other server needs a different wre etc
22:26 < zylopfa> I have done a lot of copying of sites to other servers
22:26 <@Haarg> you'd likely need to adjust the configs for ip addresses and such
22:26 < zylopfa> both 1 at a time and whole instalations of sites
22:26 < zylopfa> yeah Haarg you need to tune the config files
22:26 < zylopfa> or rather the apache ones
22:27 < juan1> thanks for the suggestions, i am going to follow your instructions
22:27 <+perlDreamer> mucho suerte, juan1
22:27 < zylopfa> just remember to backup the server you move to
22:28 < zylopfa> if it has webgui sites installed already
22:28 < juan1> ok
22:28 < zylopfa> even if you think you can do it right, its very not good if you make errors (i did that )
22:29 < juan1> thanks
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22:33 < zylopfa> any time
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22:43 < metanil> What factor determines the accessibility of each Admin Console components?
22:47 <@Haarg> ui level usually
22:47 <@Haarg> some things have real permissions attached
22:49 < metanil> ui levels are for assets .. right?
22:49 < metanil> but admin console are operations.
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22:51 <@Haarg> ui levels are used in a lot of places
22:52 <@Haarg> for assets, particular fields in assets, and parts of the admin console
22:53 < metanil> so for example, how is it defined for "Content Manager"'s UI Level ?
22:54 < metanil> because i know Content Manager won't be able to view (or edit) most of the admin stuffs.
22:54 <@Haarg> ui level is per user
22:54 <@Haarg> not attached to groups
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23:06 <+perlDreamer> Are deleting accounts for people who abuse the wiki with advertising?
23:06 <+perlDreamer> Are we deleting accounts, that is.
23:07 < metanil> Haarg: but there must be some kind of restrictive rules not allowing to access some of the content of admin console.. so how do webgui determines it?
23:14 <@rizen> perlDreamer i should but i was lazy and just deleted their revision instead.
23:14 <@rizen> i thought about deleting haargs account for setting me up with git though
23:14 <@rizen> luckily for him i was lazy on that count too
23:15 <+perlDreamer> but then you'd be stuck with doing support
23:15 <@rizen> oh no, i have bpmedley and stdavid for that
23:16 <+perlDreamer> but then you'd be stuck training them how to do support
23:16 <@rizen> already have
23:16 <@rizen> they're already doing it
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23:22 <+perlDreamer> but Haarg is already trained on how to deal with rizen.  Who else is going to do that if you delete his account?
23:23 <@preaction> that's part of the problems, there's no fun of breaking in the newbies with Haarg
23:24 <@rizen> as far as i know i haven't made stDavid or bpmedley cry or scream in horror even once yet
23:24 <@rizen> no fun for me
23:25 <+perlDreamer> ah, you're just not trying hard enough yet
23:25 <@rizen> i'm going to try hard this week
23:25 <@rizen> i'll be assigning their tasks for 7.7 development this week
23:25 <@rizen> and all the milestone dates
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23:26 <@rizen> that should have bpmedley and stDavid screaming like little girls
23:26 <@rizen> oh hi bpmedley i didn't see you there
23:26 <@rizen> =)
23:26 <@bpmedley> oh dear
23:27 <@bpmedley> sorry.. i had to goto a different coffee shop
23:28 <@rizen> bpmedley: are you still visiting your parents, or is it the DSL line back at your office that died on you?
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23:29 <@bpmedley> will need to wait until tomorrow to get dsl back at my home office
23:29 < bernd_kz> rizen, did I get you correctly that we can keep applying patches to the 7.5.x branch?
23:30 <@rizen> yup
23:30 < bernd_kz> Cool! Thanks.
23:30 <@Haarg> bernd_kz, keep in mind that you'll only want to make code changes
23:30 <@rizen> 7.5 has no more official releases coming out
23:30 < bernd_kz> So no more update scripts, correct?
23:30 <@Haarg> correct
23:30 <+perlDreamer> not unless you want to make manual upgrade scripts from that point forward
23:31 < bernd_kz> Good. I will keep that in mind.
23:31 < bernd_kz> perlDreamer, just applied your fix to my site.
23:32 < bernd_kz> It's working. Thanks again!
23:32 <@rizen> bernd_kz: 7.4 is no more stable than 7.5
23:32 <@rizen> i got the impression from your email that you think 7.4 is somehow more stable
23:32 <@preaction> probably less so
23:32 < bernd_kz> No, 7.5.40 is more stable than 7.6.11? is what I was trying to say.
23:32 <@rizen> oh
23:32 <@rizen> ok
23:33 <@rizen> yeah, 7.6 still needs some work
23:33 < bernd_kz> But you may prove me wring.
23:33 < bernd_kz> wrong
23:33 <@rizen> but it's at the beginning of it's life
23:33 <@rizen> an 7.5 is at the end
23:33 <@rizen> so that makes sense
23:33 < bernd_kz> I know. It's a natural process.
23:33 <+perlDreamer> In biology, stable == dead
23:34 <@rizen> same for coe
23:34 <@rizen> code
23:34 < bernd_kz> Hm, I should probably contradict. But I cannot come up with something meaningful... :-(
23:35 < bernd_kz> BTW, I talked Mr.
23:35 < bernd_kz> No, hit the enter key to early.
23:35 < bernd_kz> What I wanted to say is that I talked to some guy from the organizers of Open Source Expo again.
23:36 < bernd_kz> It will still take them a while for preparing sign up forms and brochures.
23:36 < bernd_kz> Be had little doubt that we can have a booth there.
23:36 < bernd_kz> So who is coming to visit Karlsruhe and Heidelberg?
23:36 <+perlDreamer> Boy, am I glad that dreamersgirl is not online right now.
23:37 <+perlDreamer> She would volunteer in a heartbeat
23:37 <+perlDreamer> but it would have to include a sidetrip to Gersbach
23:37 < bernd_kz> Cool. I am going to reserve our best guest room for you.
23:37 < bernd_kz> Parents in law?
23:37 <+perlDreamer> No, university professor.
23:37 <+perlDreamer> But we cannot afford to come.
23:38 <+perlDreamer> We hope she is going to start at the University for nursing in June
23:38 <+perlDreamer> so we have to save all we can for tuition
23:38 < bernd_kz> Hm, rizen was talking about sponsoring exhibitions on conferences.
23:38 < bernd_kz> Maybe he wants to sponsor the flight???
23:38 <+perlDreamer> I think he was talking about locals doing things to keep costs down.
23:39 < bernd_kz> Ah, I see.
23:39 <+perlDreamer> but if he wanted to fly us out to Deutschland I wouldn't argue too much
23:39 < bernd_kz> He is quite good at that, isn't he?
23:39 < bernd_kz> I think he is pretending not to listen.
23:39 <+perlDreamer> rizen is a very good, frugal manager.
23:40 < bernd_kz> frugal?
23:40 <+perlDreamer> doing the most with what you have
23:41 < bernd_kz> Useful vocabulary.
23:41 < bernd_kz> I am going to remember.
23:42 <@rizen> perlDreamer: are you calling me cheap?
23:42 <@rizen> cuz i'm not cheap
23:42 <@rizen> =)
23:42 <+perlDreamer> frugal != cheap
23:42 <@rizen> khenn is the cheap one
23:42 <@rizen> =)
23:42 <@rizen> bernd_kz: perlDreamer is right, having locals man the booth keeps the cost down
23:43 <@rizen> so i'm happy to ship you supplies
23:43 <@rizen> but i can't ship you people
23:43 < bernd_kz> That's alright. I did not expect it.
23:43 <+perlDreamer> unless they fit in several small boxes? :)
23:43 < bernd_kz> I was just wondering if someone was eager to come.
23:43 < bernd_kz> I can offer free lodging...
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23:44 < bernd_kz> perlDreamer, snail mail for more than 4 weeks on the Atlantic ocean?
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23:45 <+perlDreamer> it is less than optimal.  I'll have to get a handcrank to recharge the battery.
23:45 < bernd_kz> I see you are making plans already.
23:45 < bernd_kz> Don't forget to ship in time!!!
23:46 < bernd_kz> Ok, guys. Time for me to go to bed.
23:46 < bernd_kz> Good night.
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00:12  * perlDreamer heads off to a conference.
00:13  * deafferret eats a donut.    err... oh, wait. nevermind
00:15 <+perlDreamer> that's at 4:00pm PST, deafferret.  Be patient
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00:19 < deafferret> pizza standard time?
00:19 < deafferret> 3 minute conference? wow  ;)
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00:59 <+perlDreamer> mmmm
00:59 <+perlDreamer> pizza
00:59 <@rizen> sounds good to me
00:59  * perlDreamer has fond dreams of TeddyWedgers
00:59 <+perlDreamer> I didn't eat one last year
01:00  * perlDreamer is having the dt's
01:00 <@rizen> perlDreamer: one more reason to dislike Haarg besides the fact that he likes git is that he doesn't like Teddy Wedgers
01:01 <+perlDreamer> in that case he's canned
01:01 <@rizen> hahahhaha
01:01 <@rizen> i knew i could turn you against him
01:01 <@rizen> now i just need to turn git against him and all will be right in the universe
01:02 <@rizen> maybe we should just switch to mecurial or one of those other new version control systems
01:02 <@rizen> that would piss him off
01:02 <@rizen> or go back to cvs
01:02 <@rizen> that would really get him
01:02 <@rizen> =)
01:02 <+perlDreamer> I'd have to leave if we went back to CVS
01:03 <+perlDreamer> that's like potty training all over again
01:03 <@rizen> ok, well maybe i'll have to give up the fight
01:03 <@rizen> cuz i can't lose you
01:03 <+perlDreamer> rizen: you need this: http://scifiwire.com/2009/02/human-or-toaster-the-new-iphone-cylon-detector-lets-you-be-sure.php
01:03 <+perlDreamer> probably easier to get Haarg to like TeddyWedgers
01:03 <+perlDreamer> maybe some operant conditioning, with drug and psychomediation
01:03 <@rizen> you know, despite all of haargs shortcomings
01:03 <@rizen> i still like him
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01:04 <@rizen> and unfortunately i made the decision long ago not to hate him for not liking teddy wedgers
01:04 <@rizen> but that doesn't mean i can't razz him about it
01:04 <@rizen> as for that iphone app
01:04 <@rizen> that only works if you're a fan of battlestar
01:04 <@rizen> which i am not
01:05 <+perlDreamer> maybe we need to modify it to detect PHP users
01:05 <@rizen> that would be far more useful
01:06 <@rizen> http://www.bbspot.com/news/2000/6/php_suspend.html
01:07 <@rizen> it's a sad sad day: http://www.bbspot.com/News/2001/03/perl_test.html
01:07 <+perlDreamer> it was a sad day 8 years ago
01:08 <@rizen> i have really long days
01:08 <@rizen> i still love those two articles even after all these years
01:08 <@rizen> =)
01:11 < patspam> the last paragraph rubs a bit.. "It is believed that many users started by using Perl and moved on to the more powerful PHP"
01:20 < patspam> woohoo today is version bump day! oh wait, it's still feb 9th for you guys, damn..
01:23 <+perlDreamer> 8 hours and 35 minutes
01:23 <+perlDreamer> not that we're counting or anything :)
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01:47 <+perlDreamer> which man page has the list of perl warnings?
01:47 <@preaction> perldoc perldiag
01:52 <+perlDreamer> thanks, precation!
01:52 <+perlDreamer> I need to setup an alias perlwarn = perldiag
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01:55 <+perlDreamer> cue deafferret's dietary abuse rant of the day
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04:15 <+perlDreamer> one nice thing about git is when you commit, you can ask it to show you what the patch looks like
04:15 <+perlDreamer> and when you do git diff, it uses your pager by default
04:39 < CIA-46> WebGUI: yung * r9471 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.pm: improving matrix performance
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04:49 < patspam> preaction: ping
04:50 < patspam> ooh rizen is still here, even better
04:50 < patspam> re: Andy's "Adding Rich Text to Data Table" RFE
04:50 <@rizen> re: re: re: re
04:51 < patspam> Andy is looking for a nice way for content managers to put content into a table
04:52 <@rizen> nobody likes andy very much
04:52 < patspam> if that table is a YUI-powered table then more's the better, because it looks perdy
04:52 < patspam> heh, andy included
04:52 <+perlDreamer> but he makes very nice drawings
04:52 <@rizen> drawrings?
04:53 <+perlDreamer> drawnoses, too
04:53 < patspam> andyillustrations.com
04:53 <@rizen> i know what he's going for patspam
04:53 <@rizen> i just don't know if that's what we want datatable to do
04:53 <@rizen> i'm still thinking on it
04:54 <@preaction> if he wants that, there is Thingy
04:54 <@preaction> DataTable == spreadsheet
04:54 <@rizen> datatable != spreadsheet
04:55 <@rizen> webgui will not have a spreadsheet
04:55 <@rizen> i disagree with you on that preaction
04:55 < patspam> a YUI-powered Thingy template would probably do it
04:56 < patspam> we could even use the JSON api I get yung to build a few months ago to do it
04:56 <@rizen> cuz we're not going to do any of the formula calculation bs that a spreadsheet does
04:57 <@rizen> but at the same time it doesn't seem like a good idea to put formatted content into the datatable
05:00 <@rizen> i think that preaction's intentions to keep data table's data clear of HTML is a good one
05:00 <@rizen> because it gives us more flexibility to do crazy stuff
05:00 <@rizen> html is just so willy nilly
05:00 <@rizen> it can cause formatting problems
05:01 <@rizen> anyway, sorry. i'm just thinking outloud
05:01 <@rizen> oh, and git sucks
05:01 < patspam> yeah.. if you were doing it all via js you'd have your data source with pure data, and then use DataTable formatters to render the data into whatever pretty html you liked, whilst still being able to sort/manipulate the raw data
05:05 <@preaction> hence using thingy to have key=>value pairs of data
05:05 <@preaction> and relational records (behavior, sub-behavior, symptom, etc...)
05:07 < patspam> andy's coming to the wuc this year
05:07 < patspam> you can all tell him how much you love him then
05:21 < Lisette> how to do to get the address of shipping into paydriver?
05:25 <+perlDreamer> Lisette,it is attached to the cart object.
05:27 < Lisette> cart or self?
05:28 <+perlDreamer> Cart
05:29 <+perlDreamer> From the PayDriver, $self->getCart
05:29 <+perlDreamer> then you can check the Cart API on how to get the shipping address
05:30 < Lisette> thanks
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06:12 <+perlDreamer> way to go daviddelikat!
06:13 <+perlDreamer> Do you think we need to tell the YUI group about this?
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10:20 < CIA-46> WebGUI: patspam * r9473 /branch/survey-rfe/ (130 files in 46 dirs): (log message trimmed)
10:20 < CIA-46> WebGUI: Merge branch 'master' into survey
10:20 < CIA-46> WebGUI: * master: (127 commits)
10:20 < CIA-46> WebGUI:  Prefill in the email address in the ITransact credentials form from the user's Shop address.
10:20 < CIA-46> WebGUI:  fixed Matrix best/worst rated lists
10:20 < CIA-46> WebGUI:  Fix bad form variable for phone number in EMS Badge address info.
10:20 < CIA-46> WebGUI:  - Added a switch to allow the use of non-WebGUI objects with the Workflow
10:20 < CIA-46> WebGUI: patspam * r9474 /branch/survey-rfe/ (4 files in 4 dirs): 
10:20 < CIA-46> WebGUI: Part-way through merging Survey features from trunk
10:20 < CIA-46> WebGUI: Cleaned up Survey Edit screen, hover help, layout etc..
10:20 < CIA-46> WebGUI: Added "jump to" AutoComplete box on Section Edit dialog (as per Answer
10:20 < CIA-46> WebGUI: Edit dialog)
10:20 < CIA-46> WebGUI: N.B. "take survey" is currently broken, but will be easy to fix
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13:29  * plainhao is having trouble with templates.
13:30  * plainhao is having trouble with a lot of little details and wrong assumptions, actually :)
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15:09 < Lisette> i can modify the fields of an address shipping?
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15:14 < Lisette> can i modify the fields of an shipping address?
15:17 <+BartJol> I'm not sure, if you can it should be one of the shop templates
15:21 < Lisette> ok, thanks
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16:55 < daviddelikat> where can I find some documentation for ad manager?
16:56 <+BartJol> isn't that in the help?
16:58 < daviddelikat> I've been searching weggui.com for different things and I come up empty
16:59 <+BartJol> mmm, I don't see it in the help, allthough I know it is in one of the books
17:00 < daviddelikat> where can I find the books?
17:00 <+BartJol> the administraors guide, to be precise
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17:00 < daviddelikat> something to buy?
17:01 <+BartJol> https://www.plainblack.com/store/services/books2
17:01 <+BartJol> yes
17:01 <+BartJol> 6000 karma it appears
17:01 <+BartJol> for a b/w edition
17:02 <+BartJol> but
17:02 <+BartJol> if it's something short and simple, I'm willing to look it up
17:03 < daviddelikat> I just need to know how to get into the ad manager
17:03 <+BartJol> well it is in the admin console
17:04 < daviddelikat> ahah! not under new content...
17:04 <+BartJol> there you can add adspces, that are invoked by a macro
17:04 < daviddelikat> that is  a good start
17:04 <+BartJol> yes
17:04 < daviddelikat> many thanks
17:04 <+BartJol> it's a start
17:04 <+BartJol> np
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17:57 < Lisette> anyone know if webgui have a form control that i can resize an image like google when i atach a picture?
18:03 <+BartJol> well in the settings, there is a max image size setting
18:03 <+BartJol> but that applies to evrybody
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18:17 < SDuensin> Greetings.
18:25 <@preaction> Lisette: not currently, no. it's something that we want but nobody's done it yet
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18:26 <+perlDreamer> Howdy, everybody.
18:27  * deafferret waves
18:28 < daviddelikat> howdy
18:31 <+perlDreamer> daviddelikat: sorry that I couldn't hang around later last night.  Do we need to tell the YUI folks that their data stringification is broken?
18:31 < daviddelikat> hmmm, I submitted a fix
18:32 < daviddelikat> oh, isee
18:32 < daviddelikat> no not really
18:32 <@Haarg> what format does it currently output?
18:32 < daviddelikat> the stringification uses a custom format internally
18:32 < daviddelikat> its an iso format i think
18:32 <@Haarg> and what is the change you made?
18:32 < daviddelikat> JS doesn't recognize it directly
18:33 < daviddelikat> I overrode it for our data tables so that it uses the JS standard format
18:33 < daviddelikat> it is designed to be overridden at need
18:34 <@Haarg> i don't think it's a matter of the YUI format being 'broken'
18:34 < daviddelikat> correct, 
18:34 <@Haarg> there's no standard way to represent dates in json as far as i can tell
18:35 < daviddelikat> yes, if your try Date.toString() you will get the default format
18:35 <+perlDreamer> what does it mean, though, when it emits dates that it won't parse?
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18:35 < daviddelikat> this format is recognized whin you do something like var x = Date.parse(string)
18:36 <+perlDreamer> so it's only the built in date parser for the DataTable then?
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18:37 <+perlDreamer> Haarg: Are you working on the anymous registration bug?
18:37 <@Haarg> not actively
18:37 < daviddelikat> Date.parse() is a JS function
18:45 <@Haarg> perlDreamer, i can
18:45 <@Haarg> 't duplicate that bug on 7.6
18:45 <+perlDreamer> I'll have a go at it on 7.5 then
18:48 <+perlDreamer> yup, it exists in 7.5
18:48 <+perlDreamer> no error messages
18:49 < daviddelikat> perlDreamer : to answer your question about hte dates that wont parse:  the YUI stringify function builds its own date string.  does it the hard way too.  but it is not intended to be read by JS directly.  it is expected to go through 'unstringify' to get the date value back
19:00 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, I found and fixed this bug in 7.6, and never backported it to 7.5
19:00 <+perlDreamer> email validation is also broken
19:09 <+perlDreamer> rizen gets 1 thumbs-up at Frozen Perl: http://use.perl.org/~gizmo_mathboy/journal/38443
19:14 <@Haarg> perlDreamer, does the t/Macro/FetchMimeType.t test pass for you?
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19:15 <+perlDreamer> yes
19:15 <@Haarg> what version of LWP are you using?
19:16 <@Haarg> and do you have a ~/.mime.types or ~/.media.types ?
19:16 <+perlDreamer> LWP::MediaTypes 5.822
19:16 <+perlDreamer> Neither of those files
19:17 <+perlDreamer> LWP 5.823
19:17 <@Haarg> can you post your media.types file?
19:17 <@Haarg> it should be in perl lib/LWP/media.types
19:18 <+perlDreamer> http://webgui.pastebin.com/m302dc086 for the media.types file
19:19 <@Haarg> is that from an rpm?
19:19 <+perlDreamer> yes
19:19 < Lisette> in webgui there a plugin for crop images?
19:19 <@Haarg> ok
19:20 <@Haarg> that's not the standard LWP file
19:20 <@Haarg> causes the test to fail for anyone else
19:20 <+perlDreamer> so it's not a version problem?
19:21 <@Haarg> if you have 5.823 then nope
19:23 <+perlDreamer> stoopid fedora
19:24 <+perlDreamer> how different is it from the standard one?
19:24 <@Haarg> http://cpansearch.perl.org/src/GAAS/libwww-perl-5.823/lib/LWP/media.types
19:26 <+perlDreamer> pretty different
19:26 <@Haarg> yeah
19:27 <@Haarg> yours looks more like apache's
19:27 <+perlDreamer> it sucks when the package makers do stuff like this
19:28 <+perlDreamer> maybe the FetchMimeType test is too aggressive, since it's really just checking the plugin to the module, rather than types
19:28 <@Haarg> yeah, that's what i was thinking
19:28 <+perlDreamer> I'll fix it
19:28 <+perlDreamer> unless you're sitting on a pending commit
19:28 <@Haarg> nope
19:28 <@Haarg> thanks
19:29 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: maybe you should see if there is some sort of runtime runtime env that 'just works' with all the correct versions and builds.  I bet there is one out there :P
19:30 <@Haarg> nah
19:30 <@Haarg> webgui shouldn't be dependant on the wre anyway
19:30 <@Haarg> so catching stuff like this is valuable
19:31 <+perlDreamer> fixed
19:31 <+perlDreamer> what else can I do to help?
19:31 <+perlmonkey2> is Apache2::Request difficult to build on non-RH envs?  It is like the most difficult mod in the world to build in Cent and Fedora.
19:31 <@Haarg> had no trouble with it on os x
19:31 <+perlmonkey2> I hatesessesess it.
19:31 <@Haarg> i've built it on windows as well and it wasn't that bad
19:31 <+perlmonkey2> probably just my stupid 64 bit envs.
19:32 <@Haarg> i'm working on the matrix test failure atm
19:32 <@Haarg> the only other test failing is the exif test
19:32 <+perlDreamer> I'll have a look at that.
19:32 <@Haarg> and that's due to a change in more recent versions of the module we're using
19:32 <+perlDreamer> maybe I'll run the i18n test, too
19:32 <@Haarg> i18n stuff all passes
19:33 <+perlDreamer> cool
19:33 <+perlDreamer> nice for a change :)
19:33 <+perlDreamer> exif.t is passing for me
19:33 <+perlmonkey2> anything else you need worked on?  or should I just browse the bug list if I want to be useful?
19:33 <@Haarg> it probably won't pass if you update Image::ExifTool
19:34 <@Haarg> it passes on the wre and i'm pretty sure it's another case of the test being too strict rather than a real failure
19:35 <+perlDreamer> passes with a new Image::ExifTool, too
19:35 <+perlDreamer> 7.67
19:35 <@Haarg> rpm?
19:36 <+perlDreamer> CPAN
19:36 <@Haarg> ah
19:36 <+perlDreamer> it also passed with the RPM that I just overwrote
19:37 <@Haarg> hm
19:37 <@Haarg> still failing here
19:39 <+perlDreamer> you mentioned that that the wre was passing, what kind of source setup are you running?
19:40 <@Haarg> i have a source install basically
19:40 <@Haarg> although i don't actually run the source version of apache
19:41 <@Haarg> i use the wre's apache and usually test in the wre and with the source install
19:41 <@Haarg> http://gist.github.com/61492
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19:45 <+perlDreamer> the test basically duplicates the code inside of Photo.pm
19:45 <+perlDreamer> removes references
19:46 <@Haarg> back in a bit
19:51 < CIA-46> WebGUI: colin * r9475 /WebGUI/t/Macro/FetchMimeType.t: Remove tests from FetchMimeType that just were setup to help Fedora pass.
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20:01 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, I know you're away, so I'll leave you some notes.
20:01 <+perlDreamer> I'm convinced that this is a real bug
20:02 <+perlDreamer> the test makes sure that the template variables are set correctly, and tries to ignore the content by duplicate the exif
20:02 <+perlDreamer> processing in the test
20:02 <+perlDreamer> if it is different, then that says to me that something changed
20:02 <+perlDreamer> but it passes here, so I'm not sure what the problem is
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20:11 <+perlDreamer> very nice, ack plugin for vim
20:11 <+perlDreamer> http://github.com/mileszs/ack.vim/tree/master
20:12  * perlDreamer goes to the gym
20:12 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, I'm not so convinced anymore, just confused
20:23 <@preaction> http://www.cornify.com/ YES, the Internet is now over! This guy wins
20:29 <@bopbop> ooh sparkly
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20:30 <@frodwith> preaction: You are sick.
20:30 <@preaction> perhaps... but perhaps i'm just awesome
20:31 <@frodwith> naw, I'm pretty sure you're sick.
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20:31 <@preaction> Is there something inherently WRONG with rainbows and unicorns?
20:31 <@preaction> ooh, i should make that button into a bookmarklet so I can add them to any site i want!
20:31 <@frodwith> See that second thing you said there?
20:32 <@frodwith> All the evidence I need.
20:32 <@preaction> ... sick how? like physically sick cuz i feel fine really
20:32 <@preaction> tee hee hee
20:33  * frodwith sighs.
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20:42 < seriftron> hey guys - i'm having some trouble with mail not being sent. this is the error i'm getting: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d37ff2e88
20:43 < seriftron> curiously, the messages are disappearing from the mailQueue after it runs.
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20:44 < seriftron> mail also works for another site on this install of webgui, btw
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20:45 <@preaction> wow, it took less than an hour for someone to buy the iPhoto plugin
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20:45 <@preaction> seriftron: the result was undefined means that probably that workflow either doesn't exist in your Workflow table or is disabled (both very bad)
20:46 < seriftron> hm, let me check...
20:46 <@preaction> alternatively, you're missing Perl modules or something like that. more information would be needed to diagnose
20:47 < seriftron> it is enabled and in the Workflow table
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20:49 <@preaction> are you upgraded to the latest version? i think there was a problem with serial or singleton workflows (of which that should be one)
20:51 < seriftron> oh, we're still on 7.5.30
20:51 < seriftron> perhaps that is the issue - it is a singleton
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20:56 < bernd_kz> Hey everyone!
20:56 < bernd_kz> Is there a possibility to automatically de-activate a captcha for registered users?
20:57 < bernd_kz> Currently, it is used for both: registered users and visitors when activated in the CS.
20:57 < bernd_kz> Using 7.5.40
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22:04 <@Haarg> perlDreamer, you around?
22:04 <+perlDreamer> I'm here
22:05 <@Haarg> what version of ImageMagick do you have?
22:05 <+perlDreamer> 6.4.0.10-2
22:05 <+perlDreamer> from rpm
22:06 <@Haarg> i'm betting that's what the exif failure is about
22:07 <@Haarg> because the gallery does some manipulation of every image it uses
22:08 <@Haarg> so that's what is making it different - and different versions of image magick handle it differently
22:08 < bernd_kz> Ts ts, perlDreamer! Not using the WRE?
22:09 <+perlDreamer> no WRE available for fedora
22:09 < bernd_kz> According to rizen that is a stupid decision =)
22:09 <@Haarg> i'm not using it either, which is why i'm getting the failure
22:09 <+perlDreamer> He's been calling me stupid for years
22:09 < bernd_kz> Even worse.
22:09 < bernd_kz> Probably everyone is if you ask him.
22:09 <@Haarg> wre is definately the way to go for a server, but i prefer a source install for dev
22:10 < bernd_kz> perlDreamer, I have applied your patches to the 7.5.40 branch.
22:10 < bernd_kz> The anonymous registration bug was a serious one.
22:10 < bernd_kz> We were struck by the same problem.
22:10 < bernd_kz> Thanks a lot for fixing.
22:10 < bernd_kz> (I know, it is wearing out a bit.)
22:11 < CIA-46> WebGUI: bernd * r9476 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/Operation/Profile.pm: Applied fix for anonymous registration by perlDreamer. See http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/9709 for details.
22:11 < CIA-46> WebGUI: bernd * r9477 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Article.pm: Applied fix for pagination by perlDreamer. See http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/9704 for details.
22:12 < bernd_kz> Haarg, is it possible to have soft links in the svn repository?
22:12 <@Haarg> i think svn may allow that, not sure
22:12 <@Haarg> why would you want to?
22:13 < bernd_kz> Moment, please! I am on the phone...
22:14 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, so what should we do?
22:14 <@Haarg> well, all the test is supposed to do is check the template variables
22:14 <@Haarg> so i'll just have the test load the exif from the file after gallery copies it
22:14 <+perlDreamer> oh, and not before
22:14 <+perlDreamer> okay
22:15 <+perlDreamer> is there anything else that needs to be looked at?
22:15 <@Haarg> nothing specific comes to mind
22:16 <@Haarg> only things left with tests i want to deal with is the unmocked uri warning and getting the export tests work off their own data instead of the default site
22:16 <+perlDreamer> unmocked uri warning?
22:16 <+perlDreamer> which test is that?
22:17 <@Haarg> package i think
22:29 <+perlDreamer> that one's fixed
22:29 <+perlDreamer> and committed
22:29 <+perlDreamer> I won't do any more commits without checking with you first
22:29 <+perlDreamer> since we're getting close to that time
22:29 <@Haarg> cool, thanks
22:29 <@Haarg> oh yeah, i need to fix that spectre workflow test as well
22:29 <@Haarg> it doesn't really need the wre libraries for anything
22:30 <+perlDreamer> no new bugs on the board against the core, except maybe for a dangling bad workflow activity in the config
22:30 <+perlDreamer> http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9712
22:31 <+perlDreamer> Broken Link in edit Workflow screen  (#9712)
22:32 <+perlDreamer> I'm guessing that that is a long standing upgrade bug
22:32 <+perlDreamer> where it wasn't deleted from the user's config during the 7.5.10 upgrade
22:32 <@Haarg> ah
22:32 <@Haarg> that should be fixed
22:32 <+perlDreamer> I'm on it, then
22:32 <@Haarg> i put the code in to delete it again
22:32 <+perlDreamer> where?
22:32 <@Haarg> latest upgrade script iirc
22:33 <@Haarg> it was properly deleted from the site configs
22:33 <@Haarg> but was still in WebGUI.conf.original
22:33 <@Haarg> so i fixed it in there
22:33 <@Haarg> and added code to the upgrade to delete the workflow again
22:33 <@Haarg> activity rather
22:34 <+perlDreamer> well, since we haven't released the .11 code yet, should I close the bug as "about to be fixed in 2 hours or so" ?
22:35 <@Haarg> yeah, it can be closed as fixed
22:36 <+perlDreamer> bopbop, you're causing problems
22:36 <@bopbop> sorry...
22:36 <+perlDreamer> It's okay
22:37 <+perlDreamer> Just don't be thinking that because we all like you, admire your writing/editing skills, and you have wonderful kids that you can go around submitting a bunch of bugs before the 7.6 stable release.
22:37 <@bopbop> well, we'll see about that perlDreamer
22:37 <@bopbop> :)
22:38 <@bopbop> I'm actually browsing 7.6 looking for things I need to update in the cm guide, and these two little things popped up, and I'll forget if I don't post them right away
22:38 <+perlDreamer> I know, I'd always rather have posted bugs.
22:39 <@bopbop> I think the syndicated content one might be an old one that is rearing it's ugly head again
22:39 <@bopbop> oops, its
22:39 <+perlDreamer> The latest fix for that one hasn't been released yet.
22:39 <@bopbop> ok
22:39 <@preaction> better to close a mistaken bug report than have a bug go unreported
22:39 <@bopbop> yup
22:39 <+perlDreamer> unless I made the bug
22:39 <@bopbop> :)
22:39 <@preaction> well yeah, we need to cover up perlDreamer's bugs
22:40 <+perlDreamer> I've found a new way to prevent that tactic, preaction
22:40 <@Haarg> preaction, if you didn't see, ImageMagick was changing the EXIF data for me
22:40 <@Haarg> which is why the test was failing
22:40 <+perlDreamer> We only find the bugs after the software is not supported anymore
22:40 < CIA-46> WebGUI: colin * r9478 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/Operation/Profile.pm: Remove debugging output.
22:40 < CIA-46> WebGUI: colin * r9479 /WebGUI/t/Asset/AssetPackage.t: use PseudoRequest to stop some test warnings
22:40 <@preaction> Haarg: that's... unexpected
22:40 <@rizen> perlDreamer: and the funny thing about that is that it's not like we had a short lifespan for 7.5
22:41 <@rizen> it's been around a good long time
22:41 <+perlDreamer> rizen, it was a late introduced bug.
22:42 <+perlDreamer> which reminds me that I need to start writing those Mech tests
22:42 <@rizen> well yeah, that's your fault
22:42 <@rizen> =)
22:42 <+perlDreamer> note to self, only introduce bugs early in the dev cycle
22:42 <@rizen> but there are some others i'm sure that will crop up over time
22:43 < bernd_kz> Haarg, ready for the svn link question?
22:43 <@Haarg> sure
22:43  * perlDreamer has been thinking about releasing 7.5.40-patch, which is code only changes, and only includes the lib directory.
22:44 <+perlDreamer> but that only helps people who run their own server
22:44 < bernd_kz> So, what I want is to separate utility scripts from the wre without removing them.
22:44 < bernd_kz> We need a separate folder for ubuntu packages.
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22:45 < bernd_kz> Which can be released as a tarball later on.
22:45 < bernd_kz> Is there a way to soft link between folders in the svn repository?
22:45 <+perlDreamer> https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/wrebuild/sbin
22:46 <+perlDreamer> there's your repo right there
22:46 <+perlDreamer> https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/wrebuild/wre/sbin
22:46 <@Haarg> i thought the idea was to modify them such that they would work in both the wre and in other places
22:46 < bernd_kz> Exactly.
22:46 <@Haarg> if that's the case, why would you need to move them elsewhere?
22:47 < bernd_kz> One moment, I need to check perlDreamers hint...
22:47 < bernd_kz> perlDreamer, those scripts have dependencies in the lib folder.
22:47 < bernd_kz> Haarg, I think it's all about packaging policies.
22:48 < bernd_kz> Every package needs to refer to an official release.
22:48 < bernd_kz> Therefore, we need to release those scripts separately.
22:48 < bernd_kz> But I do not want to maintain different versions.
22:49 < bernd_kz> My idea was to create a separate folder like "webgui-tools" and link those scripts from there,
22:49 < bernd_kz> using the folder layout that is appropriate.
22:49 < bernd_kz> Does that make sense?
22:50 <@Haarg> essentially all that would be left at that point though of wrebuild is build.sh
22:51 <@Haarg> i don't know, the symlink thing just doesn't seem like the best way to do it - if we were going to separate them like that i'd think that build.sh should maybe just pull those tools in like it pulls in everything else
22:52 < bernd_kz> Ok. If that is possible.
22:52 < bernd_kz> In the beginning I would like to work on addsite.pl and removesite.pl
22:53 <@Haarg> well, for now you can just work on them where they are
22:53 < bernd_kz> Later on we could add backup.pl and restore.pl (to be written).
22:53 <@Haarg> or create a dev branch of the same thing
22:53 <@Haarg> if packages need to correspond to a particular release of something
22:53 < bernd_kz> I can't follow.
22:53 <@Haarg> then we have to have a release procudure for something like that i would think
22:54 <@Haarg> until you have them actually working in a more universal fashion, packaging isn't a large concern
22:54 < bernd_kz> You mean like write a script that makes a tarball from the scripts selected?
22:54 <@Haarg> and since the plan is to keep them compatible
22:54 < bernd_kz> For releasing them, I mean.
22:54 < bernd_kz> Definitely compatible.
22:54 <@Haarg> you can just work on them in the wrebuild section
22:55 < bernd_kz> Ok.
22:55 < bernd_kz> Who would be responsible for releasing those files on sourceforge?
22:55 < bernd_kz> Can I just submit an RFE once we are ready?
22:56 <@Haarg> possibly
22:56 <@Haarg> it sounds like there is additional planning involved for releases given what you are saying about packaging
22:56 < bernd_kz> Ok. I am going to suggest that in the thread we are already discussing the issue.
22:56 <@Haarg> but you could always just take the scripts as they exist in a particular wre release and make a package of that
22:57 < bernd_kz> That's clear. But if I understood Jonathon correctly, those files must be published somewhere
22:58 < bernd_kz> before they can become an ubuntu package.
22:58 <@Haarg> ok
22:58 < bernd_kz> A reference like "this and that file in the repo" is not possible.
22:58 < bernd_kz> But I may be wrong.
22:58 <@Haarg> in that case, you'll want to bring those issues up on the mailing list thread
22:58 < bernd_kz> It is just that he was concerned.
22:58 < bernd_kz> Good. Going to do that.
22:59 <@Haarg> because it sounds like we'll need to do some extra things as part of a release
23:07 < bernd_kz> perlDreamer, concerning the idea of releasing 7.5.40-patch...
23:07 < bernd_kz> Do you think we could get an inofficial 7.5.41 release somehow?
23:07 <+perlDreamer> It cannot ever be 7.5.41
23:07 <+perlDreamer> it will break the upgrade to 7.6
23:07 <+perlDreamer> which is why it would be restricted to code only
23:08 < bernd_kz> Let's call it 7.5.40-pD then
23:08 <+perlDreamer> no template changes
23:08 <@preaction> bernd_kz: we just talked about that on the plainblack staff, and perlDreamer is correct
23:08 < bernd_kz> But why not?
23:08 < bernd_kz> Is it a technical problem?
23:08 <+perlDreamer> design issue with the upgrade script
23:08 <+perlDreamer> in the 7.6 branch, there would have to be a script called upgrade-7.5.41_7.6.10
23:09 <@preaction> also then we'd have to support these unofficial versions, which we can't do (the whole reason for dropping support)
23:09 < bernd_kz> I see.
23:09 < bernd_kz> Why would you?
23:09 <@preaction> because there would be other problems with upgrading
23:09 < bernd_kz> That is why they are unofficial.
23:09 < bernd_kz> Just say "Use at your own risk".
23:09 <@preaction> an upgrade running twice, for example, because it's fixed in 7.6.X and 7.5.40-X
23:10 < bernd_kz> Ok. Just code then.
23:10 <+perlDreamer> bernd_kz, but someone using 7.5.41 could NEVER upgrade
23:10 < bernd_kz> But the 7.5.40-patch would be possible.
23:10 <+perlDreamer> yes
23:10 <+perlDreamer> maybe
23:10 < bernd_kz> Good. At least something.
23:10 <+perlDreamer> it would be of limited use
23:11 <+perlDreamer> mainly for people running their own servers
23:11 < bernd_kz> Maybe you guys could drop a note whenever you encounter a serious bug that should be backported.
23:11 < bernd_kz> perlDreamer, that is at least something.
23:11 < bernd_kz> Others hopefully are paying for support.
23:11 < bernd_kz> And have someone else do the work.
23:11 <+perlDreamer> right, but then it's up to the hosters, not the user
23:12 < bernd_kz> Still better than nothing.
23:12 < bernd_kz> I like 7.5.40 and we are certainly still going to use it for a while.
23:12 < bernd_kz> I hope there will be no more surprises.
23:12 < bernd_kz> 7.5.40-patch after some time?
23:14 <+perlDreamer> I'll see about it this weekend.
23:14 < bernd_kz> Don't hurry it.
23:14 < bernd_kz> Let us collect patches first.
23:14 < bernd_kz> That is certainly going to take a while.
23:14 < bernd_kz> If you drop me a note I can help backporting.
23:15 <+perlDreamer> but we can release repeatedly, and fixing bugs sooner is always better
23:15 <@preaction> if you're going to do this, i recommend changing the $WebGUI::STATUS to something like "patched"
23:15 < bernd_kz> Is that necessary? I mean people can just check out from the repo.
23:15 < bernd_kz> They would have to know what they are doing anyhow.
23:15 < bernd_kz> anyway.
23:18 < bernd_kz> preaction, the upgrading twice problem could be solved by labeling bug fixes with a unique identifier.
23:18 < bernd_kz> And have them applied only once.
23:18 <@preaction> but they're assumed to be applied in a certain order, what happens when that order gets changed?
23:19 <@preaction> i'm not trying to shoot you down here, i had the same ideas you had (but i just wanted the upgrades to work better)
23:19 < bernd_kz> You are right. It is more complicated that I anticipated.
23:19 <@preaction> it's just a very delicate process
23:19 < bernd_kz> than
23:21 < bernd_kz> Wasn't it possible to archive articles at one point?
23:21 < bernd_kz> Can't find it anymore.
23:36 <@rizen> nope
23:36 < bernd_kz> Thanks.
23:36 <@rizen> just cs posts
23:36 < bernd_kz> I was mislead by my memory then.
23:36 < bernd_kz> misled?
23:37 < bernd_kz> Never remember...
23:37 <@preaction> you can mark them as archived in the database, though i dunno exactly how that'll end up working
23:37 <@preaction> might be interesting
23:37 <@preaction> also, don't ever do what i suggest
23:37 < bernd_kz> No experiments on my site =)
23:38 <@preaction> ever
23:38 < bernd_kz> Unless you volunteer to clean up afterwards.
23:38 <@preaction> sure! DELETE FROM asset, assetData; # All clean!
23:38 <+perlDreamer> Do you guys remember when my old laptop got stepped on?
23:39 <+perlDreamer> It still worked, but you couldn't close it
23:39 <+perlDreamer> so while it is still a laptop, it wasn't very portable
23:39 < bernd_kz> Did you try the brute force approach?
23:39 <+perlDreamer> I took it to a shop and got a quote of $450 to fix it
23:39 <+perlDreamer> 2/3 labor, 1/3 parts
23:39 <+perlDreamer> So after much digging around, I think I have an ebay solution for $15
23:39 <+perlDreamer> which is not bad
23:40 < bernd_kz> You sell it for $15?
23:41 <@tavisto> I'll give you $16
23:41 < bernd_kz> Hey, I was first!
23:41 <@tavisto> too bad... $15 doesn't cut it
23:41 <@preaction> i'll offer 22.50 and not a penny more
23:41 <@preaction> okay, you talked me into it, 22.51
23:42 <@tavisto> alright 22.51 Bob!
23:42 <@tavisto> er 22.52
23:42 <@preaction> ... you jerk!
23:42 < bernd_kz> I am going to pay with Euros!
23:42 < bernd_kz> That is by far the stronger currency.
23:42 < bernd_kz> Now you!
23:42 <@preaction> crap. we can't win now
23:42 <@preaction> unless i go buy canadian dollars!
23:42 <@tavisto> Dude, perlDreamer I'll throw in a free copy of the new WebGUI 7.6 if you act now!
23:42 <+perlDreamer> bernd_kz, you _did_ say $15, not EU 15
23:43 <@tavisto> dude, Euros aren't even real currency. I play monopoly with it
23:43 < bernd_kz> I admit I was trying to cheat.
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23:43 <@tavisto> hehe
23:43 <+perlDreamer> how are the press releases coming, tavisto?
23:43 < bernd_kz> Never seen a real Euro in your life, tavisto?
23:44 < bernd_kz> I am going to send you one next time I am passing a post office ;-)
23:45 <+perlDreamer> bernd_kz, my wife is making Schampfnudeln for dinner tonight
23:46 < bernd_kz> Yummie! I like them with bacon and kraut.
23:46 <+perlDreamer> me, too
23:46 < bernd_kz> That is I liked them with bacon before I became vegetarian.
23:46 < bernd_kz> Now it is kraut only.
23:46 < bernd_kz> Still good.
23:46 <+perlDreamer> I'll try not to look at the bacon as it is eaten.
23:46 < bernd_kz> Talked to her about your Germany trip?
23:47 <+perlDreamer> Not yet.
23:47 <+perlDreamer> and we're not making a Germany trip.  Don't give her any ideas!
23:47 < bernd_kz> Should I?
23:47 < bernd_kz> When is she online the next time?
23:47 <+perlDreamer> never
23:47  * perlDreamer heads to the other laptop to grab the charger cord
23:47 < bernd_kz> Ah, come one...
23:47 < bernd_kz> I have met her already.
23:48 < bernd_kz> Really worried?
23:48  * perlDreamer is not a good traveller
23:48 < bernd_kz> But traveling is fun, isn't it?
23:48 <+perlDreamer> Being there is very fun.  Getting there is not fun.
23:49 < bernd_kz> I agree. That is exactly my point.
23:49 < bernd_kz> Flying is terrible. Going by car is terrible. Bus is even worse.
23:49 <@tavisto> perlDreamer, things are going well
23:49 <+perlDreamer> but there are no trains between the US and Germany
23:49 <@tavisto> JT and I did an interview with InfoWeek today
23:49 < bernd_kz> The only way of traveling that is quite comfortable is going by train.
23:49 <@tavisto> PR company doing a bunch of other stuf
23:49 <@tavisto> f
23:49 <+perlDreamer> You'll let us know when it comes out, tavisto?
23:49 <@tavisto> met with Forrester analysts last week. Have upcoming meeting with Gartner in March
23:51 <+perlDreamer> now you just need to get the Perl community at large on board
23:52 < bernd_kz> tavisto, I think I will have the German translation of the press release available by tomorrow.
23:55 <@tavisto> absolutely. Will be on the home page of plainblack as well
23:55 < bernd_kz> perlDreamer, have a good night!
23:55 <@tavisto> bernd
23:55 <@tavisto> we're releasing the press release now on Thursday
23:55 < bernd_kz> Oh, that means I am early.
23:55 < bernd_kz> Will be read on Wednesday in that case =)
23:55 <@tavisto> yep, do you have a few sites to submit it?
23:56 < bernd_kz> ready
23:56 <@tavisto> great news
23:56 < bernd_kz> Me?
23:56 < bernd_kz> Was that the plan?
23:56 < bernd_kz> Ok, I will see what I can do.
23:56 < bernd_kz> Thursday is the day to spread it?
23:57 <@tavisto> well no I was curious if you had a few places that would be interested
23:57 <@tavisto> of course, if you want to submit it that might be better received given that I don't speak german
23:57 <@tavisto> But yes, Thursday is the release day
23:57 < bernd_kz> Well, I know a few places where it would be interesting to publish it.
23:57 < bernd_kz> Just not sure if they are going to do that.
23:57 <@tavisto> 7.6 is out today but the PR company wanted a few more days to line up interviews
23:58 < bernd_kz> Did you know that there was a *whole* special issue of the German open source magazine on Joomla, recently?
23:58 < bernd_kz> That would be really cool if we could achieve that.
23:59 < bernd_kz> Ok, definitely bed time for me.
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00:00 < bernd_kz> Good night everyone!
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00:01 <+perlDreamer> The bug board does work well when making an Ajax call during site maintenance.
00:01 <@Haarg> heh
00:04 <+perlDreamer> I think I've got a workable solution for i18n objects in the session
00:04 <+perlDreamer> now I just need to implement it and benchmark
00:05 <+perlDreamer> $session->i18n('namespace') returns an object with the namespace set correctly
00:05 <+perlDreamer> $session->i18n() returns an object with the namespace set to WebGUI
00:06 <+perlDreamer> it saves an object creation at the cost of 2 method calls
00:06 <+perlDreamer> which seems pretty good
00:06 <@Haarg> at one point i came up with code for caching definitions in session
00:07 <@Haarg> which would be nice since definition is called a lot at times
00:07 <+perlDreamer> I like that idea
00:07 <+perlDreamer> wG 8 is going to be fun
00:07 <@Haarg> the problem is that it has to reset that cache if the language changes
00:07 <+perlDreamer> that's a rare occurance though
00:08 <+perlDreamer> oh, you mean if the i18n changes
00:08 <@Haarg> yeah
00:08 <@Haarg> no
00:08 <@Haarg> i mean if the language user preference gets changed
00:08 <+perlDreamer> right now, that's a page load, so it should be fine
00:08 <@preaction> or if the current user changes
00:08 <+perlDreamer> session will be rebuilt on the next page request
00:08 <+perlDreamer> same thing
00:08 <+perlDreamer> or is the definition cache persistent?
00:09 <@preaction> if the current user changes, the request starts as one user and then ends as another
00:09 <@Haarg> it would be using stow
00:09 <+perlDreamer> is it too late for a commit?
00:09 <@Haarg> coping with the language thing is why i didn't finish it
00:09 <@Haarg> too late, yes
00:10 < CIA-46> WebGUI: graham * r9480 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 5 dirs): capcha control now has reCAPTCHA mode
00:10 < CIA-46> WebGUI: graham * r9481 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.pm: fix for matrix test
00:10 < CIA-46> WebGUI: graham * r9482 /WebGUI/ (18 files in 8 dirs): use proper JSON encoding/decoding
00:10 < CIA-46> WebGUI: graham * r9483 /WebGUI/t/Asset/File/GalleryFile/Photo/exif.t: fix exif test
00:10 < CIA-46> WebGUI: graham * r9484 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Asset.pm HTML.pm Macro/Widget.pm): fixing placement of head tags in widgets
00:10 < CIA-46> WebGUI: graham * r9485 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Content/AssetManager.pm): fixed: Asset Manager can generate URLs that are too long
00:10 < CIA-46> WebGUI: graham * r9486 /WebGUI/ (22 files in 15 dirs): preparing for 7.5.11 release
00:10 <@rizen> perlDreamer++ and Haarg++ for getting the tests to pass 100%
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00:12 <+perlDreamer> now if only we could squash those UNIVERSAL::can warnings
00:12 <@Haarg> if only :/
00:12 <@Haarg> i just killed those modules locally
00:13 <@Haarg> also, the defnition caching thing was a bit ugly since it wasn't designed for it
00:13 <@Haarg> it had to be added to each definition and involved comparing $class to __PACKAGE__
00:24 <+perlDreamer> why does reCAPTCHA require an account to work?
00:26 <@Haarg> to prevent abuse i believe, not sure on the details
00:26 <@Haarg> been a while since i read all about it
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00:38 <+perlDreamer> w00t!
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01:00  * patspam claps
01:01 <@Haarg> perlDreamer, next time you want to look at testing stuff, i just made the spectre workflow test run without the wre
01:01 <@Haarg> and it is failing
01:02 <@Haarg> i'm going try to look at it soon, but in case you are looking for something
01:04 < CIA-46> wgdev: Graham Knop master * ra6c024a / Changes : adding info to changelog - http://bit.ly/OtFZ
01:04 < CIA-46> wgdev: Graham Knop master * rbbf1fbf / lib/WGDev/Command/Test.pm : fix test command running all tests with --slow instead of --all - http://bit.ly/XuXY
01:04 <@Haarg> heh
01:04 <@preaction> CIA has our git repos now?
01:04 <@preaction> nice
01:04 <@Haarg> so apparently that works
01:04 <@Haarg> you have to set it up
01:05 <@Haarg> github has an option to post to cia
01:05 < patspam> too cool
01:06 <@preaction> anyone want to look at something and give me some feedback before i go too far and waste my time?
01:06 <@Haarg> sure
01:07 < patspam> perlbot: ask to ask
01:07 < perlbot> Don't ask to ask or risk being axed - simply ask your question
01:07 < patspam> hehe
01:07 <@preaction> patspam: i want this off the radar (and out of the channel's logging) for now
01:07 < patspam> heh that's ok, I'm just being a smartarse
01:08 <+perlDreamer> me, too :)
01:08 <+perlDreamer> at looking, not smart-assing
01:10 < patspam> perlmonkey2: congrats on survey making the stable release!
01:11 < CIA-46> WebGUI: colin * r9488 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 
01:11 < CIA-46> WebGUI: Fix a sequencing issue in the ITransact postback routine, where it uses
01:11 < CIA-46> WebGUI: an object before it is validated.
01:11 < CIA-46> WebGUI: graham * r9489 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): preparing for 7.6.12 dev
01:11 < CIA-46> WebGUI: graham * r9490 /WebGUI/t/Spectre/Workflow.t: Spectre tests shouldn't need WRE to run
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02:24 <+perlmonkey2> patspam: eh, it did?  wow
02:25 < patspam> your little baby has grown up... and now I'm corrupting it with evil thoughts in the survey-rfe branch ;)
02:34 <+perlDreamer> word of advice
02:34 <+perlDreamer> you can't update rows in a table, when there are no rows in the table;
02:54 <+perlmonkey2> patspam: survey-rfe looks like it is full of all sorts of goodies.
02:54 < patspam> more to come as soon as i finish refactoring
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03:40 <+Radix-wrk> Congratulations.. the 7.6 stream is now stable I notice ;)
03:41 <@preaction> indeedily-doodily
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07:22 < elnino> Haarg, or perlDreamer, do you know if webgui has won any awards?
07:22 <+perlDreamer> no known awards
07:23 < elnino> ok. 
07:23 <+perlDreamer> why do you ask?
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07:23 <+perlDreamer> tavisto or rizen would know for sure
07:23 < elnino> oh. i'm bragging about webgui. trying to write up a website for my "freelancing"
07:23 <+perlDreamer> sounds vaguely familiar...
07:24 < elnino> s/write up a/write up text for my
07:24 <+perlDreamer> have you checked out perldreamer.com?
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07:24 < elnino> nope.
07:24 < elnino> I'll go there now...
07:24 < elnino> nice first impression!
07:24 <+perlDreamer> thanks :)
07:25 < elnino> very simple and consise. I get WAY too wordly. 
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07:26 <+perlDreamer> Meg from Plain Black did my design.  I'm very happy with the work she did.
07:27 < elnino> she did a nice job! I don't think I met Meg. don't recall that name at last year's conference.
07:27 <+perlDreamer> she was hanging out with Tabitha and John a lot.
07:28 < elnino> have you used craigs list ot get jobs?
07:28 <+perlDreamer> No, I haven't tried that yet.  Is it working for you?
07:28 < elnino> I sent out emails in response to some of them. Kinda nerve racking. You hear horror stories.
07:29 < elnino> sent 4 emails, just this evening.. we'll see if I do better with this, than I do selling my junk.
07:29 <+perlDreamer> I keep thinking there should be some website where big companies announce they want quotes for new websites.
07:29 <+perlDreamer> or the government
07:29 < elnino> was also reminded of odesk.  do you use that?
07:29 <+perlDreamer> no
07:30 < elnino> pretty slick. I haven't signed up for it yet, but it's worth you looking at.
07:30 < elnino> there's other sites like that, that I've come across in the past, I'll let you know if I find them again....
07:31 < elnino> that' right, you're not in wisconsin...
07:32 < elnino> you don'thave a "contact me" page...
07:33 <+perlDreamer> no, I'm still getting my email setup
07:33 < elnino> =)
07:33 < elnino> Have you seen... let me get this right...
07:33 < elnino> http://www.dyndns.com/ ?
07:34 <+perlDreamer> oh yeah, I've heard of tha
07:34 <+perlDreamer> that
07:34 < elnino> I don't know where you are hosting, but that was very intriging to me to be able to have a dynamic ip AND still have a server at home. that's cool.
07:34 <+perlDreamer> a friend of mine used it to get around Verizon's restriction about port 80 traffic
07:34 <+perlDreamer> there's a wiki write-up about it on webgui.org
07:34 < elnino> oh didn't even look.. cool.
07:35 < elnino> wel, so much for sleep. I'm going now.. Have a good night.
07:35 <+perlDreamer> good night, elnino
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11:35 < patspam> incoming commit log spam...
11:45 <+BartJol> ?
11:46 < patspam> heh.. wait for it...
11:46 <+BartJol> ok
11:48 < CIA-46> WebGUI: patspam * r9492 /branch/survey-rfe/sbin/testEnvironment.pl: Added Params::Validate to testEnvironment.pl
11:48 < CIA-46> WebGUI: patspam * r9493 /branch/survey-rfe/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.6.10-7.6.11.pl: Added doAfterTimeLimit column to Survey table
11:48 < CIA-46> WebGUI: patspam * r9494 /branch/survey-rfe/docs/gotcha.txt: Added note about Params::Validate to gotcha.txt
11:48 < CIA-46> WebGUI: patspam * r9495 /branch/survey-rfe/www/extras/wobject/Survey/editsurvey/object.js: Re-applied Survey cancel button fix from merge
11:48 < CIA-46> WebGUI: patspam * r9496 /branch/survey-rfe/lib/WebGUI/ (Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm i18n/English/Asset_Survey.pm): Added 'max responses per user' i18n and hoverhelp
11:49 < CIA-46> WebGUI: patspam * r9497 /branch/survey-rfe/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.6.10-7.6.11.pl: Removed unused responseTemplate from Survey
11:49 < CIA-46> WebGUI: patspam * r9498 /branch/survey-rfe/lib/WebGUI/ (Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm i18n/English/Asset_Survey.pm): Added Survey Template i18n and hoverhelp
11:49 < CIA-46> WebGUI: patspam * r9499 /branch/survey-rfe/ (5 files in 4 dirs): 
11:49 < CIA-46> WebGUI: Started refactoring the Survey.pm Wobject class
11:49 < CIA-46> WebGUI: Refactored www_jumpTo and added tests
11:49 < CIA-46> WebGUI: Added Params::Validate
11:49 < CIA-46> WebGUI: Improved docs
11:49 < CIA-46> WebGUI: Made call to SurveyJSON->createSurveyOrder() unnecessary
11:49 < CIA-46> WebGUI: Turned ResponseJSON->nextResponse a mutator
11:49 < CIA-46> WebGUI: patspam * r9500 /branch/survey-rfe/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: Improved Survey.pm documentation
11:49 < CIA-46> WebGUI: patspam * r9501 /branch/survey-rfe/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm t/Asset/Wobject/Survey.t): 
11:49 < CIA-46> WebGUI: Moved Survey.pm's "survey" and "response" properties to private hash
11:49 <+BartJol> whoo
11:49 < CIA-46> WebGUI: vars and added accessors.
11:49 < CIA-46> WebGUI: So that you don't end up with mind-bending code that looks like:
11:49 < CIA-46> WebGUI: $survey->survey->{survey}
11:49 < CIA-46> WebGUI: patspam * r9502 /branch/survey-rfe/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm t/Asset/Wobject/Survey.t): 
11:49 < CIA-46> WebGUI: Made Survey->surveyJSON lazy-load so that you don't have to call
11:49 < CIA-46> WebGUI: loadSurveyJSON() everywhere.
11:49 < CIA-46> WebGUI: patspam * r9503 /branch/survey-rfe/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: 
11:49 < CIA-46> WebGUI: Made Survey's responseJSON property lazy-load so that you don't have to
11:49 < CIA-46> WebGUI: call loadResponseJSON and/or loadBothJSON everywhere
11:50 < CIA-46> WebGUI: patspam * r9504 /branch/survey-rfe/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm t/Asset/Wobject/Survey.t): 
11:50 < CIA-46> WebGUI: More Survey.pm refactoring
11:50 < CIA-46> WebGUI: Turned getResponseId into a lazy-loading responseId mutator
11:50 < CIA-46> WebGUI: Added responseIdCookies flag as a workaround for WebGUI::Test::getPage's
11:50 < CIA-46> WebGUI: lack of cookie support
11:50 < CIA-46> WebGUI: patspam * r9505 /branch/survey-rfe/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Added Delete Responses back into Survey template (with i18n)
11:50 < CIA-46> (1 lines omitted)
11:51 < patspam> Bartjol: there ya go!
11:51 <+BartJol> patspam: I saw you changed the upgrade script:  r9497 /branch/survey-rfe/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.6.10-7.6.11.pl: Removed unused responseTemplate from Survey 
11:51 <+BartJol> shouldn't that be the new script?
11:52 <+BartJol> nice list though! respect
11:52 < patspam> they're all in the survey-rfe branch, but yeah the upgrade stuff will get moved to whatever the latest upgrade script is when they come across to trunk
11:53 <+BartJol> ok, just making sure
11:54 < patspam> has koen brought his baby girl into the office yet?
11:55 <+BartJol> no
11:55 <+BartJol> but there are pictures on www.emmadejonge.nl
11:55 < patspam> awesome
11:57 <+BartJol> mmm, now I'm doubting
11:57 <+BartJol> I set up a translation server for the stable branch
11:57 <+BartJol> but there is no beta branch yet
11:58 <+BartJol> mmm well, I have to think about that how to organise it
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13:01 < wgGuest65> hi does anyone here now some worldwide or in germany popular website whichs are done with webgui?
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13:06 < wgGuest65> i checked the sightings already but that were mostly local sites and companys never heard of. does webgui not have a reputation like typo3, joomla, drupal?
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17:10 <+BartJol> oh Haarg, sorry for my ignorance in te bugpost
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17:11 <@Haarg> no problem
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17:26 <@tavisto> stDavid, any progress on the login issue on cmsmatrix?
17:26 <@stDavid> I've got a patch that I'll be applying later this morning
17:27 <@tavisto> sweet, been getting a lot of emails and I'm waiting to respond
17:28 <@stDavid> Roger that. I'll ping you when it's set
17:28 <@tavisto> thanks, much appreciated
17:32 <+danny_mk> What a pain in the A??, these div tags are driving me crazy!  http://openid.dbash.com/datechooser
17:33 <+danny_mk> trying to get that popup calendar to work:  http://www.webgui.org/bazaar/yuidatechooser
17:34 <+danny_mk> on some websites the popup calendar shows up right next to the input tag, on others (like this website) it shows up way below the tag.  
17:34 <+danny_mk> I know it is a HTML issue so I just have to figure it out
17:35 <+danny_mk> rizen:  what do you guys use for the popup calendar that shows up on some of the dates?
17:35 <@rizen> yui calendar
17:35 <+danny_mk> yes, I mean how do you get it attached to the particular tag?
17:35 <+danny_mk> input tag
17:36 <@rizen> look in lib/WebGUI/Form/Date.pm
17:36 <@rizen> the code is there
17:36 <+danny_mk> ok
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17:40 <+danny_mk> hmmm... nice :-)
17:41 < SDuensin> Hello all.
17:47 < deafferret> howdy
17:48 <+BartJol> afternoon
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17:58 < CIA-46> WebGUI: jt * r9507 /experimental/Bazaar: moved to github
17:58 < CIA-46> WebGUI: jt * r9508 /modules/DNS-WorldWideDns: moved to github
17:58 < CIA-46> WebGUI: jt * r9509 /experimental/KarmaGifter: moved to github
17:58 < CIA-46> WebGUI: jt * r9510 /experimental/Lift: moved to github
17:58 < CIA-46> WebGUI: jt * r9511 /experimental/wgfs: moved to github
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18:23 <+perlDreamer> Holy channel-ops, Batman!
18:25 < CIA-46> WebGUI: jt * r9512 /modules/Config-JSON: moved to github
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18:43 <+BartJol> perlDreamer: no, that's Bartman!
18:43 <+perlDreamer> Same Bart time, same Bart channel
18:43 <+perlDreamer> How goes the home buying?
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18:44 <+BartJol> slow
18:46 <+perlDreamer> Did you see Rory's bug about the Syndicated Content asset in the Admin bar?
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18:46 <+BartJol> he said something about that
18:47 <+BartJol> but as usually, I ignored him ;)
18:47 <+perlDreamer> I wasn't able to duplicate it.
18:47 <+perlDreamer> does he come to IRC?
18:47 <+BartJol> not today probably
18:47 <+perlDreamer> what's his nick?
18:47 <+BartJol> tomorrow, or for you in the middle of the night
18:48 <+BartJol> ryuu_ro
18:48 <+perlDreamer> ah
18:48 <+perlDreamer> I've seen him sometimes
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18:48 <+BartJol> I actually programmed my way out of trouble today...
18:48 <+BartJol> strange
18:48 <+perlDreamer> strange?  why?
18:49 <+perlDreamer> you've been tutored by the best WebGUI has to offer for over a year
18:49 <+BartJol> there was that big guy and just send him to /dev/null
18:49 <+BartJol> disbelieve illusion...
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19:18 <+BartJol> mmm, does anybody know how to get the userId of the user whos profile your watching in the "view profile template"
19:19 <+BartJol> is it something like profile.userId.value?
19:20 <+BartJol> apparently not
19:23 <+perlDreamer> BartJol, check the Help
19:23 <+perlDreamer> wait a sec
19:23 <+perlDreamer> that help's not finished
19:23 <+perlDreamer> check the code instead
19:23 <+BartJol> ok
19:24 <+BartJol> oh it's 7.6.8
19:25 <+BartJol> what module is that actually?
19:30 <+BartJol> it was profile_user_id
19:35 <+perlDreamer> Accout/Profile
19:35 <+BartJol> well, it is dinner time here, bye
19:35 <+BartJol> too late perlDreamer
19:35 <+BartJol> but thanks
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19:40 <+perlDreamer> ryuu_ro, we were just talking about your Syndicated Content bug.
19:41 < ryuu_ro> ok, just checked my config but all looks ok
19:41 <+perlmonkey2> in the asset editor there isn't a way to add tmpl variables, is there?
19:41 <+perlDreamer> perlmonkey2: TinyMCE?  no
19:41 <@preaction> perlmonkey2: some assets have userDefined fields
19:41 <@preaction> oh, there are also metadata fields too
19:42 <@preaction> Content Profiling
19:42 <+perlmonkey2> I'm looking for a way to set some css in a template to a tmpl var, and then have the value entered in teh asset editor...but I guess that can't be done with the article.
19:43 <+perlDreamer> ryuu_ro: can you paste that section of your config file to webgui.pastebin.com and send us the url to it?
19:44 < ryuu_ro> you need the assets piece right?
19:45 <+perlDreamer> yup
19:46 <+perlDreamer> you know, I was wrong.  Labels are not pulled from there.  I was thinking of the Account system.
19:46 <+perlmonkey2> hmm, head tags work just as well for that I guess, but it would be nice to be able to set extra tmpls for each asset.  Worth an RFE?
19:47 < ryuu_ro> ok, anyways the it's in the pastebin http://webgui.pastebin.com/m4042becf
19:48 <+perlDreamer> anything funny in your webgui.log file?
19:49 < ryuu_ro> nothing besides a spectre communication error
19:49 < ryuu_ro> i'm checking on the other server as we speak
19:50 < ryuu_ro> ah yes, there's something
19:52 < ryuu_ro> a workflow is trying to execute but breaks on method generateFeed
19:53 < ryuu_ro> sounds like i'm missing a CPAN module
19:53 <+perlDreamer> XML::FeedPP ?
19:54 < ryuu_ro> yep, tested the environment on my test VM and not on my server, stupid
19:55 < ryuu_ro> ok, so that's not a bug then :)
20:02 <+perlDreamer> No big deal.  I'll close it out.
20:02 < ryuu_ro> thanks!
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21:07 < bernd_kz> Is Steve Simon online? Or someone else involved in the 7.6 press release?
21:07 < bernd_kz> I need your help.
21:08 < bernd_kz> I am not sure how to translate "New comparison chart generator" in the title.
21:08 < bernd_kz> That does not work in German.
21:08 < bernd_kz> It would be a meaningless monster.
21:09 <@bopbop> bernd_kz: is it talking about the matrix?
21:09 < bernd_kz> I assume it is.
21:09 < bernd_kz> Should I use matrix instead?
21:09 < bernd_kz> Probably not a good choice.
21:09 <@bopbop> no
21:09 <@bopbop> that's the asset
21:09 < bernd_kz> Can you give me a synonymous description?
21:10 <@bopbop> sure, give me a sec
21:10 <@bopbop> "a new method of displaying comparisons"
21:10 <@bopbop> would that translate better?
21:11 < bernd_kz> A bit.
21:11 < bernd_kz> But not very elegant.
21:11 <@bopbop> no
21:11 < bernd_kz> Let me think for a moment.
21:11 <@bopbop> is there a specific word that's causing you pain?
21:11 <@preaction> seeing similarities and differences?
21:11 <@bopbop> well, kind of
21:11 <@bopbop> have you used the matrix?
21:11 < bernd_kz> Generator.
21:12 < bernd_kz> Wouldn't be used in German.
21:12 < bernd_kz> Neither engine.
21:12 < bernd_kz> Both don't work.
21:12 < bernd_kz> Application is rather vague.
21:12 < bernd_kz> Functionality would be ok.
21:12 <@bopbop> produce = generate
21:12 <@preaction> create
21:12 <@bopbop> better
21:12 <@preaction> creator
21:12 <@bopbop> yay preaction
21:12 <@preaction> don't thank me, thank thesaurus.com
21:12 <@bopbop> :_
21:12 <@bopbop> :)
21:13 <@preaction> The Saurus is awesome
21:13 <@preaction> i think they were an ancient race of people who liked to make up words
21:13 < bernd_kz> creator = Erzeuger, which is used for sperm donating men :-)
21:13 <@bopbop> nice!
21:13 <@preaction> er... that would make it The Saurus are awesome
21:13 <+perlDreamer> hahahaha
21:13 <@bopbop> how about builder?
21:14 <@preaction> how about Gott?
21:14 <@preaction> he was a creator
21:14 <+perlDreamer> WebGUI has God.  Now that I can dig.
21:14 < bernd_kz> Erzeuger is also Gott.
21:14 < bernd_kz> Well, I could say "Vergleichsdiagrammgenerator".
21:14 < bernd_kz> That would be the direct translation.
21:15 <@bopbop> yikes
21:15 <+perlDreamer> Matrix
21:15 < bernd_kz> But I don't think anyone would understand that.
21:15 < bernd_kz> Comparison chart ist Vergleichsdiagramm.
21:15 < bernd_kz> But that isn't good either.
21:15 < bernd_kz> Gegenüberstellung would work.
21:15 <@bopbop> comparison chart builder, comparison chart engine, product comparison application
21:15 < dreamersgirl> hey, the more letters,  the better
21:16 < bernd_kz> product comparison would be good.
21:16 < dreamersgirl> I liked Vergleichsdiagrammgenerator
21:16 < dreamersgirl> :)
21:16 < bernd_kz> acceptable?
21:16 < bernd_kz> Hey, dreamersgirl!
21:16 < dreamersgirl> hi!
21:16 < bernd_kz> Did your husband talk to you about my suggestion?
21:16 <+perlDreamer> How about translating it like this, The Marix, which is a new way of comparing products and services.
21:16 <+perlDreamer> No, no suggestions!
21:16 <+perlDreamer> I did not say "travel"
21:16 < bernd_kz> Oops, I forgot.
21:16 <@bopbop> but it's not a new way, it's just rewritten
21:16 < dreamersgirl> I heard you were trying to talk him into getting on a plane...
21:17 < dreamersgirl> good luck with that
21:17 < bernd_kz> Improved functionality for product comparison?
21:17 <@preaction> eh, it's kinda new, nobody used the matrix before anyway. it was nearly impossible to use
21:17 <@preaction> now it should be possible to use without modifying templates (right?)
21:17 < bernd_kz> dreamersgirl, you can come by ship!
21:17 <@bopbop> bernd_kz: that works
21:17 < bernd_kz> Good. Going to use that.
21:17 < dreamersgirl> i'm all over that!
21:17 < bernd_kz> Thanks for your help!
21:17 < bernd_kz> What's wrong with flying?
21:18 < bernd_kz> It's not worse than going by car-
21:18 <@preaction> build a land bridge across the atlantic, then we'll see which one is worse
21:18 <@preaction> me, i'll take the plane
21:18 <+perlDreamer> trains
21:18 <@preaction> and automobiles!
21:18  * dreamersgirl loves flying
21:19 < dreamersgirl> trains are cool, too
21:19 < dreamersgirl> did you know that there's no rail service into Madison?
21:19 < dreamersgirl> Peter just about cried when he figured that out.
21:19 <+perlDreamer> there's no _passenger_ rail service to Madison
21:19 <+perlDreamer> We can hop a freight train in Chicago, though
21:20 < bernd_kz> In that case you should come and visit.
21:20 < bernd_kz> We have railways everywhere!
21:20 < bernd_kz> I go by train every week.
21:20 < bernd_kz> 500 km one direction.
21:20 <+perlDreamer> Warum?
21:20 < bernd_kz> Traveling by ICE with 300 km/h top speed.
21:20 < bernd_kz> Just for the fun of it?
21:21 < bernd_kz> No, seeing my family, of course.
21:21 <+perlDreamer> Family = wife and child, or family = mother/father/siblings?
21:21 < bernd_kz> wife and child
21:21 <@preaction> Amtrak has a bus that will take you into madison
21:21 < bernd_kz> They are still in Magdeburg.
21:22 < dreamersgirl> buses are bad
21:22 <@preaction> and i think there's an amtrak station in columbus or something
21:22 < bernd_kz> But we are going to move by the end of March.
21:22 <+perlDreamer> busses are worse, they have more s'es
21:22 < dreamersgirl> move?
21:22 < bernd_kz> From Magdeburg to Heidelberg.
21:22 < bernd_kz> That is where I am at the moment.
21:22 < dreamersgirl> Heidelberg is cool.
21:23 < bernd_kz> Yeah, you should come for a visit.
21:23 < bernd_kz> It is worth the pain of flying, perlDreamer.
21:23 < dreamersgirl> Great schloß.
21:23 <+perlDreamer> we've already been to Heidelberg, been there, done that, saw the Festung, bought the T-shirt.
21:24 < dreamersgirl> what about t-shirts for the boys?
21:24 < dreamersgirl> :)
21:24 < bernd_kz> Karlsruhe is close by.
21:24 < bernd_kz> And there is the Schloss in Mannheim.
21:24 < bernd_kz> Hiking in the Odenwald or Black Forest?
21:24 < bernd_kz> A visit to Frankfurt?
21:25 <+perlDreamer> Been to Karlsruhe, Mannheim, and the southern Black Forest.  Frankfurt, too
21:25 < dreamersgirl> Odenwald?
21:26 < bernd_kz> That is the mountain range around Heidelberg.
21:31 < dreamersgirl> Southwest Germany is beautiful.
21:31 < bernd_kz> Depends.
21:32 < bernd_kz> A bit crowded sometimes.
21:32 < dreamersgirl> True.
21:32 <+perlDreamer> You would love Oregon, then bernd_kz.
21:32 < dreamersgirl> German cities don't sprawl as much as US cities.
21:32 <+perlDreamer> About the same size as Germany, with far fewer people
21:33 < bernd_kz> So, you come first and I am going to visit in return
21:33 < bernd_kz> ?
21:33 <+perlDreamer> First, I have to get my oldest through the University.
21:34 < bernd_kz> How long will that take? 5 years?
21:34 <+perlDreamer> If she gets accepted and starts in June, 3 years
21:34 < bernd_kz> That is a long time.
21:34 < bernd_kz> Not sure if I can wait.
21:34 < dreamersgirl> perlDreamer:  he's not letting up!
21:35 < dreamersgirl> I like him!
21:35 < dreamersgirl> :)
21:35 < bernd_kz> We could invite BartJol as well.
21:35 < bernd_kz> He wanted to visit us in Heidelberg, too.
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21:43 < dreamersgirl> Ok, enough dreaming about travel.
21:43 < dreamersgirl> Gotta get back to working.
21:43 < dreamersgirl> Bye!
21:43 < bernd_kz> Bye!
21:44 < dreamersgirl> bernd_kz:  thanks for the invite--that's really nice of you!
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21:45 < bernd_kz> You are welcome!
21:45 < bernd_kz> (Work on your husband a bit!)
21:47 <+perlDreamer>  /husband goes running
21:47 < bernd_kz> Enjoy!
21:48 < bernd_kz> (btw, running is quite enjoyable over here :)
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22:20 < CIA-46> WebGUI: jt * r9513 /translations/German/German/Account_Friends.pm: resolved conflicts
22:20 < CIA-46> WebGUI: bernd * r9514 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/Asset/File/GalleryFile.pm: Fixed problem with keywords in the gallery, which caused photos not to be shown.
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22:50 < bernd_kz> Has anyone seen jmarsden, recently?
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23:10 < CIA-46> WebGUI: bernd * r9515 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/EventManagementSystem.pm: Fixed EventManagementSystem bug caused by erroneous SQL statements. Fix was initially written by perlDreamer and only backported to 7.5.
23:43 <@stDavid> tavisto: Your patch is on the way; Believe it or not other "stuff happened" today and slowed me down a bit
23:43 <@tavisto> stDavid, no way I don't believe you. Stop lying to me. Stuff never just happens when you don't expect it.
23:44 <@tavisto> :)
23:44 <@stDavid> Just didn't want you to think I forgot ya
23:44 <@tavisto> Sounds good though, I have about 20 emails to send out telling people to go back to CMSmatrix and create their accounts. heh
23:44 <@tavisto> thanks for the update
23:45 <@stDavid> You'll be the 2nd one to know that it's working again.
23:45 <@tavisto> by the way.. in case anyone is interested, a brand new article about WebGUI 7.6 just hit the front page of www.informationweek.com under the breaking news column
23:50 <+perlDreamer> all right!
23:50 <+perlDreamer> You can have some bread with your soup tonight, tavisto
23:50 <@tavisto> nice.. well I plan to go out for dinner. Enjoying the nice 80 degree weather in Orlando for the next 2 weeks
23:52 <+perlDreamer> so, what part of WebGUI lets you upload photos from anywhere?
23:54 < bernd_kz> I believe you have to buy it from the bazaar.
23:57 <+perlDreamer> ah, yeah.  the iPhoto plugin
23:57 <+perlDreamer> anywhere == MacOS
23:58 < bernd_kz> Yup. But there is going to be a picasa plugin in the next release.
23:58 < bernd_kz> At least that is what the press release says.
23:58 <@Haarg> there's also the iphone plugin
23:59 <@Haarg> which is probably more what anywhere is referring to
--- Day changed Thu Feb 12 2009
00:00  * perlDreamer is just a embittered linux user
00:04 < bernd_kz> perlDreamer, don't be bitter!
00:05 < bernd_kz> It doesn't lead anywhere...
00:05 <+perlDreamer> maybe that's my travel problem :)
00:05 < bernd_kz> Having spoken my last words for today I am going to bed now.
00:05 < bernd_kz> Hope not :)
00:06 < bernd_kz> Good night everyone!
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00:23 <@rizen> perlDreamer: you could always write a plugin for whatever photo managers there are on linux machines
00:23 <+perlDreamer> I could
00:23 <@rizen> the web services api's are there for anybody to use
00:24 <@rizen> within 20 minutes of putting the iphoto plugin up we got our first sale
00:24 <+perlDreamer> sales are good
00:24 <@rizen> not that $10 is going to make or break the company
00:24 <@rizen> but it's something
00:24 <@rizen> gotta start somewhere
00:39 < CIA-46> wgdev: Graham Knop master * r25f6377 / lib/WGDev.pm : clean up YAML library loading - http://bit.ly/tbiP8
00:39 < CIA-46> wgdev: Graham Knop master * r5253a3d / lib/WGDev/Command/Edit.pm : allow editting entire branches of assets, with class restrictions - http://bit.ly/13CywW
00:39 < CIA-46> wgdev: Graham Knop master * r3ee40c5 / lib/WGDev/Command/Edit.pm : use different method for detecting changes, mtime not accurate enough - http://bit.ly/1YcZ3
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00:47 <+perlDreamer> carogray, did you ever get your website editing done?
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00:58 <+perlDreamer> now, having fixed 1 of the default post form templates that WebGUI ships with, I shall now fix all the rest...
01:02 <+perlDreamer> which is a task that WGDev quite tolerable
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01:29 < patspam> rizen: ping
01:30 <@rizen> proawng
01:30  * plainhao struggles to understand how to update a workflow activity
01:30 <@rizen> seems my pingger is broken
01:30 <@plainhao> why doesn't wg see my new activity code?
01:31 <@rizen> did you add it to your config file plainhao?
01:31 <@plainhao> yes
01:31 < patspam> when does the feature freeze officially lift?
01:31 <@plainhao> just want wg to see the new code in the existing activity
01:31 <+perlDreamer> restart the server?
01:31 <@plainhao> restarted several times
01:32 <@rizen> patspam: when we branch
01:32 <+perlDreamer> how do you know that it's not working correctly?
01:32 <@rizen> as to when that will be, don't know
01:32 <@rizen> probably a couple weeks yet
01:32 <@rizen> want to make sure that 7.6 has a good launch before we get too crazy
01:32 <@plainhao> perlDreamer: because the new definition is not displaying and the new code is not executing :)
01:32 < patspam> ok, I'll keep plugging away in the survey-rfe branch then
01:33  * plainhao is either going nuts, or there's a cache that needs resetting somewhere....
01:33 <+perlDreamer> are you working across different branches?
01:34 < patspam> this week I merged all the survey bugfixes from trunk into survey-rfe
01:35 < patspam> and have since then been refactoring the beejeezus out of the code
01:35 < patspam> next week will get back to adding new features
01:36 <@rizen> sweet patspam
01:36 <@rizen> we also have peeps working on new stuff even though we're not branched yet
01:36 <@rizen> so i want to branch soon
01:36 < patspam> perlDreamer: your SurveyJSON/ResponseJSON test suite saved my life
01:37 <@rizen> just not yet
01:37 < CIA-46> WebGUI: colin * r9516 /WebGUI/ (9 files in 4 dirs): 
01:37 < CIA-46> WebGUI: Thread sticky and locked handling. Form vars are now exposed
01:37 < CIA-46> WebGUI: in all post forms. Editing a thread does not clear the isSticky and isLocked
01:37 < CIA-46> WebGUI: flags.
01:37 < CIA-46> WebGUI: graham * r9517 /tools: moved to github
01:37 <+perlDreamer> awesome, patspam.  It was fun writing those tests
01:37 <+perlDreamer> rizen, did you fix the German translation snafu?
01:37 <@rizen> yup
01:38 <+perlDreamer> it might need a follow-up looking at for file permissions, in the RedNeck language
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01:50 < patspam> rizen: that sounds sensible
01:51 <@rizen> privs fixed for redneck
01:52 <+perlDreamer> thanks
01:52 <+perlDreamer> bug--
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02:01 <+perlDreamer> if some plainblack staffer would move this bug to an rfe, it would be appreciated: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9682
02:01 <+perlDreamer> I talked it over with Bernd, and he's okay with that.
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02:19 < CIA-46> WebGUI: translation * r9518 /translations/German/German/ (Account_Friends.pm Asset_Photo.pm): Update from translation server
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16:41 <@plainhao> what could it mean when the lastStatus of a WorkflowInstance is undefined?
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16:49 <+BartJol> plainhao: I had something like that lately
16:49 <@plainhao> BartJol: did you figure out the problem?
16:50 <+BartJol> with us the problem was, that the time between workflows was too long
16:50 <@plainhao> that's weird
16:50 <+BartJol> it's a spectre setting
16:50 <@plainhao> oh?
16:50 <+BartJol> yeah
16:51 <+BartJol> I would say, check it and if it's larger than 2, decrease it and try that
16:51 <@plainhao> ok, thanks
16:52 <+BartJol> the setting is also described in the administrators guide
16:52 < luke> hello.
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16:52 <+BartJol> hi
16:52 < luke> i just tried to upgrade from 7.5.37 to 7.6.11
16:53 < luke> getting some JSON errors appearing
16:53 <@plainhao> BartJol: nope, that's not the problem in my case :(
16:53 <+BartJol> directly?
16:53 <+BartJol> mmm
16:53 <+BartJol> what was my other workflow problem...
16:54 < luke> directly yes - was that a Bad Idea
16:54 <+BartJol> mmm I had set the weekly workflow set to singleton
16:54 <+BartJol> luke, I dunno exactly, it should be a problem
16:54 <@plainhao> my workflow is parallel
16:55 <+BartJol> but prolly ypou should run testEnvironment, to check whether the right versions are installed
16:55 <+BartJol> plainhao: well, my ideas are running out
16:56 <@plainhao> thanks anyway, BartJol
16:56 <+BartJol> do any errors show?
16:56 < luke> no errors. i had to install a couple of new modules.
16:56 <@plainhao> DEBUG - spectre.conf - POE::Session::_invoke_state[484] - WORKFLOW: Didn't see any workflow instances to run.
16:57 <+BartJol> and if you run spectre in debug mode plainhao?
16:58 <+BartJol> ok luke, what are the JSON errors?
16:59 < luke> Unable to process macro 'AssetProxy': Can't coerce array into hash at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/Config/JSON.pm line 109.
16:59 < luke> and another odd thing
17:00 < luke> the upgrade.pl script decided that NO UPGRADES NECESSARY
17:00 <+BartJol> ah
17:01 <+BartJol> so no upgrades were performed?
17:01 <+BartJol> mmm than you still can upgrade to 7.5.40 first
17:01 < luke> ok - i'll try that then?
17:01 <+BartJol> but first remove the files in /data/WebGUI/docs/upgrades
17:02 < luke> ok
17:04 <+BartJol> but I think the AssetProxy error might actually be due to badly configured parameters
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17:07 <+BartJol> but I've gotta catch a train
17:08 <+BartJol> so good luck, maybe I'll be back later
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17:57 < luke> what's the admin bar in 7.6.11 jt mentioned?
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18:29 < SDuensin> Greetings and crap.
18:30  * deafferret laughs
18:44 <+perlmonkey2> anyone know the status on the project manager?
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20:09 <@preaction> perlmonkey2: from what i understand, frank has been diligently working on specs for version 2.0
20:10 <+perlmonkey2> preaction: I wonder if he'd want some help on it, cause I need something a lot more robust.
20:10 <@preaction> humph. where is khenn's ass
20:10 <@preaction> but yes, i'm sure he'd be happy for help
20:11 <@preaction> happy perhaps not the correct adjective.
20:11 <@preaction> uh... overjoyed? 
20:11 <@preaction> uh... what's a good adjective for mind-blowing extacy?
20:11 <+perlmonkey2> yeah, "khenn' and "happy" don't often co-occur in the same sentence :P
20:11 <+perlmonkey2> hah
20:12 <+perlmonkey2> I'll shoot him an email then.
20:12 <@preaction> the main reason PM 2.0 isn't done is because noone at PB has had any time
20:12 <+perlmonkey2> But that's a good thing though 
20:12 <+perlmonkey2> Busy =~ success
20:12 <@preaction> indeed
20:13 <@preaction> but busy also can mean inefficient support software like the current PM
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21:29 < Mech422> whee
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21:35 < Mech422> blah - I hate when I lose my place in a project
21:35 < Mech422> I was adding support for running scripts when a user updates his profile
21:38 < Mech422> ahh - I have the hook in Profile.pm
21:39 < Mech422> and now need to figure out how to wire up the interface for specifying which script to run when the 'event fires'
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21:51 < Mech422> Umm - Does anyone know if the wG 7.6 'social networking / account management' features allow you to perform actions (execute scripts/snippets) when a user updates their setttings ?
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22:51 < elnino> Hi!  I see that I can assign a workflow during a user creation. I setup a workflow to email our "admin", but I also want to send another email to the user that just registered... how do I do that.
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23:04 < elnino> it seems that I don't know the new user's email address at the time of the workflow...
23:04 < juan1> i am in webgui 7.5.34 and i have created a dataform, in what table are created the fieldanames?
23:05 <@Haarg> elnino, you can specify a welcome message to send in settings under authentication
23:06 < elnino> Haarg, Oh geez.. Thanks!!
23:07 <@Haarg> juan1, the field information is stored in DataForm along with the rest of the DataForm properties
23:07 <@Haarg> entries are stored in DataForm_entry
23:07 <@Haarg> the dataform fields don't get their own database fields
23:08 < juan1> ok
23:08 < juan1> i am going to check
23:08 < juan1> thanks
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00:07 <+perlDreamer> why is everything so quiet today?
00:08 <+perlDreamer> is everybody busy upgrading to 7.6.11?
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00:26  * deafferret bangs a drum for the sinners
00:33 <+perlDreamer> drums?  Cool, a parade!
00:39 <+perlDreamer> Do you ever wonder what happened to userId 2?
00:39 <+perlDreamer> Visitor is 1, Admin is 3
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00:58 < Mech422> perlDreamer: it was stolen by gypsy's and raised to lead their peoples...
00:59 < Mech422> or something suitablely dramatic :-)
00:59 <@preaction> they match up with their group IDs
01:00 < Mech422> preaction: ahh - so group 2 == gypsies :-)
01:00 <@preaction> indeed
01:06 <+perlDreamer> I think it's actually backdoor into WebGUI
01:07 <+perlDreamer> coded by the PHP mafia
01:08 < Mech422> ahh - userid 2 roots yer box and eats your cheerios ?? :-P
01:08 <+perlDreamer> devious, but true
01:09 < Mech422> but the triple grainy goodness !!
01:11 <+perlDreamer> If you have a plan for stopping those cheerio stealing criminals, I'm behind you
01:12 < Mech422> I say we get captn crunch on the case...
01:12 < Mech422> he'll stop them !
01:13 <+perlDreamer> You work on the Capt'n, I'll call Cookie Jarvis
01:13 < Mech422> okay - Added a hook to Account/Profile.pm, updated Operations/Settings.pm
01:13 < Mech422> time to restart and say what I missed :-)
01:13 <+perlDreamer> what did the Capt'n say?
01:14 < Mech422> His prime suspects are that silly wabbit, and a paranoid leprechaun
01:17 < Mech422> wow - weirdstuff has 'rackable systems' dual opteron systems for $99
01:18 < Mech422> I know its used, and rackable isn't a brand name - but still - thats cheap
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01:29 < Mech422> crap - I think I forgot to actually add the field to the database
01:29 <+perlDreamer> use an upgrade scrip
01:29 <+perlDreamer> script
01:29 <+perlDreamer> it will handle making a session for you
01:29 <+perlDreamer> and if it were to be folded into the core, it will be an easier transition
01:30 <+perlDreamer> Mech422: You telling me that you haven't done any WebGUI work since Christmas?
01:30 < Mech422> I think I had that around here somewhere...
01:30 < Mech422> right now, I'm using a local path thing to pickup my copies of the files
01:32 < Mech422> yeah - I've got that - better run it just in case...
01:33 < Mech422> hmm - duplicate entry - ok its in the database...
01:34 < Mech422> so why doesn't it show on the admin screen....
01:34  * Mech422 goes to poke it some more
01:34 <+perlDreamer> settings have to be added to the db, added to Operation/Settings in the form code, and post processing code
01:36 < Mech422> in the db, and in Operation/Settings - but not showing on the tab in the admin screen...
01:36 < Mech422> post processing hasn't been hooked up yet - but I didn't think that would stop it from displaying ?
01:36 <+perlDreamer> no, it shouldn't
01:36 <+perlDreamer> paste some code?
01:37 < Mech422> I have a preload.custom - that should be enough to pick up my versions of Operation/Settings and Account/User(?), right ?
01:37 <+perlDreamer> last loaded wins
01:38 < Mech422> umm - I assume preload.custom isn't last then ? ('preload' ? )
01:39 < Mech422> oh - I have the code in the definitions() method of Settings.pm but probably not in a 'view' method...
01:39 < Mech422> lemme check
01:39 <+perlDreamer> view should generate from definition
01:41 < Mech422> yeah - looks that way...
01:41 < Mech422> Hmm - wonder what I screwed up..
01:41 < Mech422> here's the stanza I added to definition:
01:41 < Mech422>     # SAH    push(@fields, {        fieldType       => "workflow",        tab             => "user",        none            => 1,        name            => "runOnUpdateUser",        defaultValue    => $setting->get("runOnUpdateUser"),        label           => $i18n->get("run on user profile update"),        hoverHelp       => $i18n->get("run on user profile update"),        type            => "WebGUI::User",    });
01:41 <+perlDreamer> oh, too late
01:41 <+perlDreamer> preaction, be merciful!
01:41 <+perlDreamer> Mech422: please paste that into webgui.pastebin.com
01:41 < Mech422> oh sorry ...
01:42 <@preaction> it's just one line, it's just completely illegible
01:42 <@preaction> invoke my name only when it reaches two lines
01:42 <+perlDreamer> also, check the webgui.log for errors
01:42 <+perlDreamer> I was trying to stop you, not invoke thee
01:42 <@preaction> I AM PREACTION, MASTER OF PASTING
01:42 <+perlDreamer> pastaction
01:42 <@preaction> oooh pasta
01:42 <+perlDreamer> paystaction
01:42 < Mech422> http://webgui.pastebin.com/m29cf42c1
01:44 <+perlDreamer> what the heck is a "none => 1" for?
01:44 <+perlDreamer> it's in the core code, too
01:44 < Mech422> cuz I'm a through copy and paster ?? :-P
01:45 <+perlDreamer> very thorough
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01:45 < Mech422> too be honest - I didn't really read the definition - just copied it - "Oh look, here's how you define a field..."
01:45 < Mech422> change a few text constants, and viola :-)
01:46 < Mech422> I am suitably shamed 
01:46 <+perlDreamer> I would have done it, too.
01:46 <+perlDreamer> Just that I've never seen none=>1 before
01:46 <+perlDreamer> ah, it's a flag to specify that the list of workflows should include the word "None", meaning no workflow
01:47 < Mech422> I can't remember - is 'none' reserved/builtin in Perl ?  'None' is in python...
01:47 <+perlDreamer> it's okay
01:47 < Mech422> ahh ok
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01:47 <+perlDreamer> how does your webgui.log look?
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01:48 < Mech422> I'm trying to find it now..
01:48 < Mech422> I've found the access log 
01:49 <+perlDreamer> if you're using the wre, it will be in /data/wre/var/logs
01:50 <@Haarg> perlDreamer, i'm starting to look at rewriting the translation server as a webgui asset and saving to git
01:50 <+perlDreamer> cool!
01:50 <+perlDreamer> user and group integration
01:50 <+perlDreamer> karma
01:50 <+perlDreamer> authentication
01:50 <+perlDreamer> captcha
01:50 <@Haarg> yep
01:51 <@Haarg> and along with that, i was thinking about if we could move the context and last modified portions into the translation server only
01:51 <@Haarg> so that we could simplify our i18n packages
01:51 <+perlDreamer> the only reason I can think of to keep it the way it is, if we were to ever allow other people to merge
01:52 <@Haarg> converting the current structure to a simple hash takes i18n memory usage to a bit over 2mb to under 1mb
01:53 <@Haarg> *from
01:53 <@Haarg> was wondering if you had any additional thoughts on that
01:53 <+perlDreamer> so this would be a step that happens at release?
01:53 <+perlDreamer> we'd always need to whole structure in git
01:54 <@Haarg> well, we're working on moving everything into git
01:54 <@Haarg> webgui itself will wait until 8.0
01:54 <+perlDreamer> but as for downloadable releases, if we can save 1 Mb of memory
01:54 <@Haarg> we can move the translation files sooner than that though
01:54 <+perlDreamer> sure
01:55 <@Haarg> basically, since that's coming eventually, i'd rather improve the translation server at the same time
01:55 <+perlDreamer> it makes sense to me
01:55 <@Haarg> instead of just retrofiting a different version control mechanism
01:56 <@Haarg> i still haven't worked out the best way to do context though
01:56 <@Haarg> having it as part of the translation server means people translating can improve context
01:56 <+perlDreamer> that would be nice
01:57 < Mech422> Hmm - log is a bit noisy (it appears I set debug on) but so far I've only found a warning about "Could not instantiate account pluggin WebGUI::Account::Profile...skipping"
01:57 <@Haarg> but there still need to be a way for developers to set that when going i18n or it will never get done
01:57 <+perlDreamer> right, I think that's why it has to be in the version control (git and svn)
01:58 <+perlDreamer> context and lastUpdated should be pulled when making the release files
01:59 <@Haarg> well
01:59 <+perlDreamer> or, and this is ugly, it could be stripped during the load of the namespace
01:59 <@Haarg> last updated probably isn't needed
01:59 <@Haarg> as the translation server can probably keep track of what the english string was when it was translated
02:00 <@Haarg> when you say pulled
02:00 <@Haarg> do you mean removed from the file?
02:00 <+perlDreamer> yes
02:00 <@Haarg> i don't think that would be viable
02:01 <+perlDreamer> perl -ni -e 'print unless /^\s+context\s*=>/;'
02:01 <@Haarg> the main thing that cuts down on the memory usage is eliminating the extra hashrefs
02:01 <@Haarg> and the structure has to be the same for dev as it is for prod
02:02 <@Haarg> cutting it down on load would possibly work, but with perl memory management i'm not sure how much it would help
02:02 <+perlDreamer> and it would be slow
02:02 <+perlDreamer> you'd have to iterate over every key
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02:03 <@Haarg> that's why i'd rather have context somewhere else entirely
02:04 <@Haarg> having it in a separate file could possibly work
02:04 <+perlDreamer> the devs won't maintain it though
02:04 <+perlDreamer> it's hard enough getting help files done
02:04 <@Haarg> context isn't well maintained as it is
02:04 <+perlDreamer> i agree, but making it harder to work with won't improve that
02:04 <@Haarg> one thought jt had
02:05 <@Haarg> was having stuff in wgdev to do some of that work for you
02:05 <+perlDreamer> like the i18n generator script?  that's a good idea
02:06 <+perlDreamer> actually, that should be remade as a wgdev plugin
02:06 <@Haarg> it's a good idea no matter what we do with i18n
02:06 < juan1> the version of WG that i am using is 7.5.34 i have some dataforms defined in one site, i want to export that dataforms to another site, so i make a package with each one and then i imported them in the new site
02:06 <@Haarg> i like the idea, but then you need everyone to use wgdev
02:06 < juan1> but the problem is the fields
02:07 <+perlDreamer> can we set up a commit hook that forbids i18n commits without corresponding context info?
02:07 <@Haarg> or have them maintain multiple files by hand (which will be inevitably neglected)
02:07 < juan1> in the database i see two tables related to dataforms
02:07 < juan1> Dataform
02:07 <@Haarg> well
02:07 < juan1> and DataForm_entry
02:07 <@Haarg> while git allows that kind of thing
02:08 <@Haarg> we can't do it with github afaik
02:08 <+perlDreamer> phone, brb
02:08 <@Haarg> juan1, the problem is the field definitions or the problem is the data?
02:08 < juan1> the field definitions
02:09 <@Haarg> and they just don't get transfered?
02:09 < juan1> yes
02:09 <@Haarg> both sites 7.5.34?
02:09 < juan1> yes
02:10 <@Haarg> not really sure then
02:10 < juan1> how can i transfer them?
02:10 <@Haarg> you could try checking the logs, but that's all that comes to mind
02:10 <@Haarg> packages should work for what you want, but obviously they aren't
02:11 < juan1> so, i do not need to migrate anything from database?
02:11 <@Haarg> you shouldn't need to
02:12 <+perlDreamer> back
02:12 < juan1> mmm
02:12 <@Haarg> being able to transfer dataforms like that was added in 7.5
02:12 <@Haarg> are you sure there isn't something else interfering with the display of the fields?
02:13 <@Haarg> template differences or so?
02:14 < juan1> i am going to check
02:14 < juan1> thanks
02:15 < juan1> if not i am going to make the process again
02:15 <@Haarg> we could also go the annoyance route
02:15 <@Haarg> if somebody committed i18n without context it could send them email about it
02:15 <@Haarg> probably not a very good idea
02:16 <+perlDreamer> no, filters are easy to write
02:17 <+perlDreamer> if we build a test to check it, and make sure that everything has context, then we could say that you could lose your push rights unless you maintain it
02:17 <+perlDreamer> seems like we're stuck between the stick and the carrot
02:17 < Mech422> perlDreamer: hmm - reviewing my notes, you told me a while back ....
02:18 < Mech422> "account plugins can have their own ui"
02:18 <@Haarg> well, currently we don't enforce anything regarding context
02:18 < Mech422> and to add the ui to Account/Profile
02:18 < Mech422> but I just added the definition to Operation/Settings
02:18 <@Haarg> so if we had a separate script, we make it easy but not obvious
02:19 <@Haarg> script to automate adding context i mean
02:19 < Mech422> is that perhaps my issue ?  maybe I should go back and look at account/profile.pm again
02:19 <+perlDreamer> right
02:19 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, maybe we should only look at solutions to a problem if it turns up
02:19 <+perlDreamer> if the situation doesn't get any worse, then we're fine
02:19 <@Haarg> i suppose
02:19 <@Haarg> would be good to build the tools though
02:20 <+perlDreamer> oh, sure
02:20 <+perlDreamer> Mech422: according to your log file, there's a syntax error in there
02:20 <@Haarg> i still need to figure out how the best way to handle context updating will be
02:21 <@Haarg> might make sense to use git as a database of sorts for that
02:21 <@Haarg> that both the translation server and devs would use
02:21 < Mech422> perlDreamer: there is ?  Hmm....
02:21  * Mech422 goes to look
02:21 <+perlDreamer> especially if it will narrow down the search
02:22 <@Haarg> for syntax errors, check your modperl error log
02:22 <+perlDreamer> context and last updated remind me of metadata
02:22 <+perlDreamer> there in p5 there's no way to do that
02:22 <+perlDreamer> but in perl5 there's no way to do thta
02:22 <@Haarg> metadata?
02:23 <+perlDreamer> extra stuff attached to real data
02:23 < Mech422> data about data
02:23 <+perlDreamer> right
02:23 <@Haarg> but in what way?
02:23 <@Haarg> i mean, there's attributes
02:23 <@Haarg> not beautiful, but you could probably hack something together with that
02:23 <@preaction> if we used a markup language to store our i18n that would solve the issue of keeping context in memory
02:23 <+perlDreamer> I'm just thinking out loud about other implementations
02:24 <@preaction> but i don't know the issue and i have to go, so good luck
02:24 <+perlDreamer> he's got a point
02:24 <+perlDreamer> the problem is that we eval serialized perl data structures
02:25 < Mech422> perlDreamer: yup - 1 syntax error as suggested...
02:25 <+perlDreamer> but if they were JSON/YAML something else, then we could pick what we want to build
02:25 <+perlDreamer> based on the usage
02:25  * Mech422 mutters and goes to fix it
02:25 <+perlDreamer> Mech422: Do you use vim?
02:25 <@Haarg> how so perlDreamer?
02:25 <@Haarg> you'd end up loading just as much stuff into memory
02:25 <@Haarg> but it wouldn't be preloaded
02:26 <@Haarg> so it would be slower and use more in the end
02:26 <+perlDreamer> I'm not sure if I agree
02:26 < Mech422> perlDreamer: usually Kate or jed
02:26 <+perlDreamer> Stuff that is preloaded can run while it is loaded
02:26 <+perlDreamer> and dynamically created data would still be shared
02:26 <@Haarg> not sure what you mean
02:26 < Mech422> but I found it - its not happy with me pasting in "$u->userId"
02:27 < Mech422> so I need to find out what the user object is..
02:27 < Mech422> that should fix it
02:27 <+perlDreamer> Let's suppose that instead of storing the i18n in perl code, we store it as XML (for lack of a better example)
02:28 < Mech422> $session->user->userId should work, shouldn't it ?
02:28 <@Haarg> we might want to go to a different format, but i don't think it would make a big difference
02:28 <+perlDreamer> when we launch mod_perl, WebGUI::International loads the text files, parses them by hand, and only builds the data we want
02:28 <@Haarg> the difference would be preloaded vs dynamically loaded
02:28 <+perlDreamer> which is label => message
02:28 <+perlDreamer> preloaded == runs at mod_perl startup
02:29 <@Haarg> yeah
02:29 <+perlDreamer> you can dynamically load data and share it across the httpd instances, as long as you do that work at startup
02:29 <@Haarg> we could do that with the existing storage format easily enough
02:29 <+perlDreamer> in perl?
02:29 <@Haarg> sure
02:30 <+perlDreamer> when you eval the perl, you get the whole data structure, so how do we save memory that way?
02:30 <@Haarg> just load the data into whatever format you want
02:30 <@Haarg> then delete the table entry of where it came from
02:30 <@Haarg> if it's json, you'd be loading the whole thing as well
02:31 <+perlDreamer> that's why I mentioned hand parsing
02:31 <@Haarg> and it would be even more memory as you'd be dealing with the json text and such
02:31 <+perlDreamer> with a hand parse, you only build what you want
02:31 <+perlDreamer> but you're right, we could modify and change the structure as needed, even stored as perl
02:32 <@Haarg> but the other thing is
02:32  * perlDreamer wants a whiteboard
02:32 <@Haarg> if last modified is useless
02:32 <@Haarg> the only other thing to store is context
02:32 <+perlDreamer> right
02:32 <@Haarg> and i think having that modifiable by the translation server is valuable
02:33 <+perlDreamer> sure
02:33 <@preaction> we can preload the i18n, why not? we already preload all perl modules, what's a little i18n parsing between friends?
02:34 <@Haarg> so essentially, it doesn't matter if we change the format of the files
02:34 <@preaction> you would load the JSON, but you'd only be storing the perl data structure. you'd be throwing the json away
02:34 <@Haarg> yeah, but at that point it doesn't matter
02:34 <@preaction> so yeah, in the end it should even  out to be the same (or better now that you can say "yeah, dont give me context, i don't give a hoot"
02:34 <@Haarg> whether you loaded the json or loaded the perl
02:34 <@Haarg> better in the end
02:35 <@Haarg> although you'll have used more memory in the loading process
02:35 <@preaction> but then i've been barking up the markup tree for a while now, steveo_aa might have something to say about i18n matters
02:35  * preaction goes to dinner
02:35 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, if perl reuses it, that's okay?
02:35 <@Haarg> pretty much
02:36 <+perlDreamer> we also need to keep WebGUI::International in mind.  It tries to reload the file regardless.
02:37 <@Haarg> it does a require, yeah
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02:37 <@Haarg> but that will only load it once
02:37 <@Haarg> and can be changed easily enough
02:38 <+perlDreamer> every time I try to optimize that, it only slows it down
02:38 <+perlDreamer> I tried caching the namespaces, but it takes longer to do a hash lookup than it does to do the bare require every time
02:38 <@Haarg> i haven't profiled it in a while
02:39 <@Haarg> looks reasonably efficient though as far as those things go
02:41 <+perlDreamer> well, after all this discussion, do we have a solution?
02:42 <+perlDreamer> we leave the format as it is, but add a step where the perl data is post processed and we rebuild the tables in memory
02:42 <@Haarg> i'm still not sure what i want to do with context
02:43 <@Haarg> i suppose i could just have the translation server modify the webgui i18n files
02:43 <+perlDreamer> I would use a separate install for that
02:43 <@Haarg> yeah, it would definately use a separate checkout
02:44 <@Haarg> but i still feel like i want to get the context out of there entirely
02:45 <+perlDreamer> that's a 3 line change to WebGUI::International, not bad at all
02:45 <+perlDreamer> we just end up back at the dev maintaining it issue
02:45 <@Haarg> yes
02:45 <@Haarg> and we can build tools to make that simpler
02:45 <@Haarg> but i'm thinking that still isn't good enough
02:46 <+perlDreamer> how do we make it better?
02:46 <+perlDreamer> the end problem isn't tools or technologies, it's culture and people
02:46 <@Haarg> yeah
02:47 <@Haarg> we could track people who have missed adding context
02:47 <@Haarg> i'm just not sure what to do with that info
02:47 < Mech422> hall of shame ?
02:47 <+perlDreamer> loss of commit rights?
02:47 < Mech422> what do they call it in build systems...
02:47 < Mech422> the guy that broke the build
02:48 < Mech422> umm... can't remember
02:48 < Mech422> but tinderbox(?) had a cute name for it
02:48 <@Haarg> i'd have to talk to rizen about that
02:48 <+perlDreamer> 1000 karma penalty?
02:48 < Mech422> $.50 in the coffee/snack fund ?
02:48 < Mech422> :-)
02:48 <@Haarg> i'm not thinking any pb employees are too concerned with their karma
02:49 <@Haarg> and they are just as likely to be guilty of that as anyone
02:49 <+perlDreamer> no, probably not, but they can be incentivized/penalized in different ways
02:49 <@Haarg> loss of commit rights is probably a bit much
02:49 <@Haarg> i think that would just lead to all kind of problems
02:49 <+perlDreamer> bad politics
02:50 < Mech422> umm - stupid question - but do I need to modify any templates to show my new Admin/Settings/User field ? or does the template do it dynamically from the field defs ?
02:50 <+perlDreamer> Mech422, most stuff is dynamically generated.
02:51 < Mech422> hmm
02:51 < Mech422> dunno then - guess I need more coffee
02:52 <+perlDreamer> maybe we just need to be more vocal in tracking i18n changes, and telling people about times when they commit with no context
02:56 < Mech422> GOT it !
02:56 <+perlDreamer> what is it?
02:56 <+perlDreamer> Is it good?
02:56 <+perlDreamer> Will you share?
02:57 < Mech422> approprieately enough - it appears i18n doesn't return the input string for stuff it can't xlate ?
02:57 <+perlDreamer> nope, that would be ->echo, instead of ->get
02:57 < Mech422> yeah - it should prolly bitch in the logs though, shouldn't it ?
02:58 < Mech422> (thats a bad habit from plone - feed it something it can't xlate, and it just hands it back untouched )
02:59 < Mech422> ok - so the next step would be figuring out how to actually write a workflow script, and seeing if it gets called :-)
03:00 <+perlDreamer> Workflow scripts are fairly easy, and there are lots of example to pull from in WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/*.pm
03:00 < Mech422> oh - thanks :-)
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03:05 < Mech422> time for dinner - biab
03:05 <+perlDreamer> l8r
03:19 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: hey, how's tricks?  Anything new going on?
03:20 <+perlDreamer> not really, fixing bugs and some other things
03:20 <+perlDreamer> might be in a lull for business
03:20 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: a lull?  out of things to do?
03:23 < CIA-46> WebGUI: yung * r9520 /WebGUI/www/extras/wobject/Matrix/matrix.js: matrix comparison table sorting fix
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04:19 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, just ran Devel::NYTProf for the first time
04:19 <+perlDreamer> Guess what subroutines are in the top 15?
04:19 <+perlDreamer> if run on a typical WebGUI Activity file
04:20 <@Haarg> admin on is lots of definition stuff and i18n
04:20 <@Haarg> don't remember what it is when off
04:20 <+perlDreamer> ErrorHandler methods are #5 and #6
04:20 <+perlDreamer> canShowDebug, and query
04:22 <+perlDreamer> query gets called because I'm hitting lots of db methods
04:22 <+perlDreamer> but canShowDebug is calculated dynamically every time
04:23 <+perlDreamer> for a given request, couldn't we cache that answer?
04:24 <@Haarg> probably
04:24 <@Haarg> except for the first check it does
04:24 <+perlDreamer> wouldn't it autovivify in the next call?
04:25 <+perlDreamer> oh
04:25 <+perlDreamer> never mind
04:25 <+perlDreamer> that's an infinite loop, isn't it?
04:25 <@Haarg> yeah
04:26 <@Haarg> settings calls db, which calls debug
04:27 <+perlDreamer> I'll profile it to see what the speedup is.  I'll also see how the test coverage is.
04:27 <+perlDreamer> gotta scoot.  Thanks for your help!
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15:32 < luke> hi. i'm having a spot of trouble upgrading to 7.6.11.
15:35 < luke> for a start, when restarting apache, i am told that i'm running 7.5.34.
15:35 < luke> what could that be all about?
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15:55 < luke> BartJol: could you help again with my upgrade pls?
15:57 <+BartJol> hi
15:57 <+BartJol> eeh, yes
15:57 < luke> got it up to 7.5.40
15:58 <+BartJol> ah, that's ok
15:58 < luke> now trying to go to 7.6.11 upgrade.pl is giving message NO UPGRADES NECESSARY
15:59 <+BartJol> mmm
16:00 <+BartJol> are you trying to instal 7.6.11or 7.6.10?
16:02 < luke> 7.6.11. sorry, i am an idiot.
16:02 < luke> i did not have my config files in place
16:02 <+BartJol> ah
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16:03 <+BartJol> that doesn't help :)
16:08 < luke> why do you say that?
16:09 <+BartJol> well, I mean "not having your conf's in the right place" doesn't help
16:09 <+BartJol> maybe it's more a Dutch language thing
16:10 <+BartJol> no insult intended
16:10 < luke> ah - i get you :)
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16:18 <+BartJol> luke is it working better now?
16:19 < luke> it is. almost perfect.
16:19 < luke> thanks
16:20 <+BartJol> well I didn't do anything, except moral support
16:20 <+BartJol> mmm, maybe I should start a moral support company
16:21 <+BartJol> just be online trying to "help" people, charging them for it, while actually, I'm  doing nothing
16:22 <+BartJol> and mosuco almost sounds like japanese wise guy thingy
16:23 < luke> there are a lot of people who make a lot of money from that sort of thing
16:23 <+BartJol> so why should I not do it, I have some karma, often when people wanna show their problems to me, it fixed itself
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16:26 < luke> you'll probably need some crystals and get good at chanting
16:27 <+BartJol> mmm, a shabby, nerdy look doesn't help?
16:28 < luke> definitely needs to be worked on
16:29 <+BartJol> ah and you need some extra cpan modules
16:29 <+BartJol> please run testEnvironment.pl
16:29 <+BartJol> in /data/WebGUI/sbin
16:30 < luke> yep - i read the gotchas :)
16:30 <+BartJol> very good
16:39 <@plainhao> This Asset is locked for editing under a version tag different
16:40 <@plainhao> how do i unlock the asset?
16:40 <+BartJol> strange IRC notification
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16:40 <+BartJol> well, you have to work in it, delete the versioon tag or execute it
16:40 <@plainhao> delete the version tag?
16:40 <@plainhao> hmm :)
16:41 <+BartJol> well, it is an option
16:41 <@plainhao> thanks, BartJol, as always
16:41 <+BartJol> hee, I'm training pb staff! that I can use against jt during the wuc
16:42 <+BartJol> so my thanks to you!
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17:27 < luke> have a nice weekend - bye
17:27 <+BartJol> bye
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17:46 <+perlDreamer> BartJol: Big chunk of steamin' i18n was released
17:48 <+BartJol> mm, I'm getting behind
17:49 <+BartJol> you know when 7.7 is spawned?
17:49 <+perlDreamer> I hear several weeks
17:50 <+BartJol> it's kinda important for the timing of downloading the latest from i18n.webgui.org
17:50 <+BartJol> oh no, that was where svn stepped in
18:00 <+perlDreamer> yeah, as long as you have a good svn check-in near or at the fork, you should be good to go
18:02 <+BartJol> you know why the nooks don't have isbn numbers?
18:03 <+BartJol> s/nooks/books/
18:04 <+perlDreamer> I think you have to pay to get an ISBN number
18:05 <+perlDreamer> as an author/publisher
18:05 <+BartJol> ah
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18:23 < trav> hi
18:23 <+BartJol> hi trav
18:24 < trav> currently I'm using wG 7.4.24, and I would like to upgrade to 7.6.11
18:24 <+BartJol> ah
18:24 <+perlDreamer> Be sure to read the gotchas.txt file first
18:24 <+perlDreamer> to learn all the appropriate stop points
18:24 <+perlDreamer> you can't do that all in 1 step
18:24 <+perlDreamer> but BartJol is our resident upgrade expert
18:24 <+BartJol> I'm getting there
18:25 < trav> That was I thought
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18:25 <@Haarg> 7.4.24 -> 7.4.40 -> 7.5.40 -> 7.6.11
18:25 < trav> I have to upgrade to 7.6.2-unstable first ?
18:25 < trav> ok
18:25 < trav> thanks
18:26 <+BartJol> perlDreamer: you're giving me a bit too much creditr
18:26 <@Haarg> be sure to watch the gotchas, and to run testEnvironment.pl after each step
18:26 <+perlDreamer> BartJol: You did know the upgrade path, didn't you?
18:27 <+BartJol> not from the bottom of my kneecaps
18:27 <+perlDreamer> Maybe we need to start a wiki page?
18:27 < trav> Haarg: i'm reading them at this page https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/view/WebGUI/docs/gotcha.txt
18:27 <+BartJol> for what? dutchisms?
18:27 <+perlDreamer> for the upgrade path
18:27 <+BartJol> ah
18:28 <+perlDreamer> that way we can point people to a page
18:28 <+perlDreamer> it would also be a good place to catch upgrade problems that are common
18:28 <+BartJol> that would be nice\
18:28 <+BartJol> my cpan is making troubles
18:28 < trav> but I've just run testEnvironment.pl, and there's no update, do I have to run ./webguiupdate.pl first ?
18:29 <+perlmonkey2> what is the bottom of something convex, like a kneecap?
18:29 < trav> then abort and run testEnv ?
18:29 <@Haarg> you'll want to download the needed versions manually
18:29 <@Haarg> instead of using webguiupdate.pl
18:29 <+BartJol> perlmonkey2: I have to look
18:30 < acmoore> nadir
18:30 <+perlDreamer> webguiupdate.pl is good for staying freshly up to date?
18:30 <+BartJol> more leg
18:30 <+BartJol> perlDreamer: you can choose the desired version
18:30 < trav> Haarg: it will not work using webguiupdate ?
18:31 <@Haarg> it will try to do the upgrade in one step
18:31 <@Haarg> which won't work
18:31 < trav> 7.6.11
18:31 <+BartJol> Haarg: no, you can choose the version that you desire, can't you?
18:32 <@Haarg> maybe you can, i guess i haven't looked at it in a while
18:32 <+BartJol> well, it always p[romps me
18:32 < trav> ok and : "I've just run testEnvironment.pl, and there's no update, do I have to run ./webguiupdate.pl first ?"
18:32 <@Haarg> i just don't really trust that script
18:33 < trav> sorry, how to make testEnvir up to date
18:33 <@Haarg> testEnvironment just makes sure you have the needed modules
18:33 <+BartJol> who wrote it?
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18:33 <@Haarg> in the past, it didn't run the upgrade, but that's been fixed
18:33 < trav> yes, but I haven't update since 7.4.24, and it doesn't tell me to upgrade anything.
18:33 <+BartJol> so it just a feeling that got stuck in your head
18:33 <@Haarg> possibly
18:33 < trav> and in the gotchas, there are some new modules
18:34 <@Haarg> basically, upgrades are something i don't trust to do automated
18:34 < trav> ok
18:37 <+perlmonkey2> what happened to the tools repo?
18:37 <+perlmonkey2> it appears to be gone.  Or at least I can no longer find it.
18:37  * BartJol walks away whistling
18:38 <@Haarg> http://github.com/plainblack/tools/tree/master
18:41 <+perlmonkey2> Haarg: danka 
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18:42 <+perlmonkey2> err, bedankt or tak. 
18:51 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: Can you edit a survey in the rfe branch?  Looks like the SimpleEditor.js wasn't checked in or added to the template.
18:54 <+perlmonkey2> nm, it was jus tmissing from the template.
18:57 <+perlDreamer> perlmonkey2: there's a big roll-up package for all templates at the top of the tree
18:58 <+perlmonkey2> I added it in and fixed that, but now I've got a host of other broken JS in the survey editor.
18:59 <+perlDreamer> oy
18:59 <+perlDreamer> Just what are these guys doing to your beatiful Survey, anyway?
19:03 <+BartJol> perlmonkey2: are you learning dutch?
19:03 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: after running that template package through it, they're apparently completely pimping it out.
19:03 <+perlmonkey2> BartJol: Yeah, I hear all the cool guys speak it.
19:04 <+BartJol> that's true
19:04 <+BartJol> so, any more?
19:04 <+perlmonkey2> besides, you never know when you need to run from the law, and speaking dutch adds some premium choices on where to go.
19:05 <+BartJol> like "ben je nou helemaal door de honden besnuffeld"?
19:05 <+perlmonkey2> Ik spreek Nederlands
19:05 <+BartJol> goed hoor!
19:06 <+perlmonkey2> hounds "besnuffled"?  smelled?
19:06 <+perlmonkey2> like making it through the blood hounds?
19:07 <+BartJol> it's a saying
19:07 <+BartJol> are you sniffed by dogs?
19:07 <+perlmonkey2> does it mean something like to escape the dogs?
19:07 <+perlmonkey2> ah
19:07 <+perlmonkey2> heh
19:07 <+perlmonkey2> I like that one
19:07 <+perlmonkey2> like "on the lamb".
19:07 <+perlmonkey2> which I never understood where that came from.
19:08 <+BartJol> it means that your crazy in an irresponsible way
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19:10 <+BartJol> but I've gotta go drink beer
19:10 <+perlmonkey2> f'ing noten
19:11 <+BartJol> what??!?!
19:11 <+perlmonkey2> okay, vangst je maandag
19:11 <+perlmonkey2> BartJol: like "f'ing nuts".  Extremely crazy.
19:11 <+BartJol> bablefish dutch speaker
19:11 <+perlmonkey2> good way to learn though.
19:11 <+perlmonkey2> and not bablefish...google translate.
19:11 <+BartJol> it's a good englishsism
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19:24 < Lisette> in webgui is there something for crop images?
19:24 <+perlDreamer> Not yet.
19:25 <+perlDreamer> I heard that someone from South America was going to build one and donate it back to WebGUI, though
19:28 < trav> well, i've used the upgrade script, to upgrade from 7.5.40 to 7.6.2, then to 7.6.11 as in the gotchas, but it doesn't work :
19:28 < trav> http://webgui.pastebin.com/m2ef2a47d
19:30 < trav> how to correct this ?
19:30 <+perlDreamer> you need to find out exactly what failed
19:31 <+perlDreamer> in the 7.5.40 to 7.6.10 upgrade
19:31 < trav> when I asked to upgrade to 7.6.2, the script seems to have install 7.6.11, first, but there wasn't any error
19:32 < trav> i made the 7.5.40 to 7.6.10 upgrade in 2 steps
19:32 <@Haarg> you don't want to upgrade to 7.6.2
19:32 < trav> no but that was in the gotchas :
19:33 < trav> You must upgrade to 7.6.2 before you can upgrade to 7.6.3.
19:33 <@Haarg> yeah, the gotchas probably should be adjusted - i hadn't thought about that
19:33 < trav> damned
19:33 <@Haarg> sorry about that
19:33 <@Haarg> when you say "doesn't work"
19:34 <@Haarg> what is the actual problem that occurs?
19:34 < trav> wG is running,
19:34 < trav> but on some sites, I get a
19:34 < trav>  	^AssetProxy(root/scripts/navside);
19:34 <@Haarg> what do you see in the error logs?
19:34 < trav> error which was corrected since 7.5
19:35 < trav> which one
19:36 <@Haarg> webgui.log
19:36 < trav> an error about only one website:
19:37 < trav> http://webgui.pastebin.com/m2597ee3d
19:38 <@Haarg> even when you view the page that shows the ^AssetProxy(); ?
19:38 <@Haarg> you may need to adjust your log level
19:38 <@Haarg> in /data/WebGUI/etc/log.conf set it to WARN level instead of ERROR level
19:39 < trav> ok
19:39 < trav> what do I have to restart ?
19:39 <@Haarg> modperl
19:41 < trav> I have 
19:41 < trav> http://webgui.pastebin.com/m5a6ea170
19:41 < trav> in webgui.log
19:42 < trav> and http://webgui.pastebin.com/m400bd862
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19:47 < trav> anyone ?
19:49 <@Haarg> the first is the error causing your problems
19:49 <@Haarg> are you certain the upgrades ran without error?
19:50 < trav> I didn't notice any error, but I think there are some, cause 
19:50 < trav> and I don't understand why in the history, I have 7.5.40 and then 7.6.10 directly instead of 7.6.1
19:50 <@Haarg> 7.5.40 -> 7.6.10 is correct
19:51 < trav> even if I first asked wG to upgrade to 7.6.2 ?
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19:52 <@Haarg> there is no upgrade path from 7.5.40 to 7.6.2, so it did nothing
19:52 < Trav|> it seems to have upgrade to 7.6.11, and then when I asked it to upg to 7.6.11, it did nothing
19:53 < Trav|> *it have done something : it seems to have upgrade to 7.6.11, and then when I asked it to upg to 7.6.11, it did nothing
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19:53 <@Haarg> what was your full upgrade procedure?
19:53 <@Haarg> including any mistakes made etc
19:53 < Trav|> I have wre 0.8.4
19:53 < Trav|> so :
19:54 < Trav|> I installed needed perl modules :
19:54 < Trav|> Module::Find -- Class::C3 -- XML::FeedPP
19:54 < Trav|> with
19:55 < Trav|> perl -e MCPAN command install
19:55 < Trav|> then :
19:55 < Trav|> http://webgui.pastebin.com/m4dc42efd
19:56 < Trav|> and that's all
19:56 <@Haarg> what version did you start with?
19:56 < Trav|> 7.5.24
19:56 < Trav|> --> 7.5.40
19:57 <@Haarg> wait
19:57 < Trav|> --> 7.6.2 --> 7.6.11 (problems)
19:57 <@Haarg> to begin with you said 7.4.24
19:57 < Trav|> I made a mistake
19:57 <@Haarg> ok
19:57 < Trav|> and I didn't have any pb with 7.5.40 (I think)
19:58 <@Haarg> well, if you extract say 7.6.11 first, then 7.5.40, then run the upgrade script, it can cause issues
19:59 < Trav|> I don't understand
20:00 <@Haarg> if you tried to do an upgrade directly to 7.6.11 first, even if you aborted it, it can cause problems later when you try to upgrade to 7.5.40
20:01 < Trav|> I haven't done any upgrade to 7.6.11
20:02 < Trav|> The first time, I asked for 7.4.40, which was an error, but the script haven't done anything,
20:03 < Trav|> then directly 7.5.40 and there weren't any ^AssetProxy error
20:04 < Trav|> Is it possible to upgrade again from 7.5.40 to 7.6.11, but directly this time ?
20:05 <@Haarg> well, something in the config file didn't get converted properly
20:05 <@Haarg> i'm not sure the best way to diagnose that without messing with code or seeing the file
20:06  * perlDreamer suggests reverting to backup and trying again
20:06 <+perlDreamer> and upgrading by hand
20:06 <+perlDreamer> to catch errors
20:06 <@Haarg> you could take the config file, remove the dsn, dbuser, dbpass, and anything else sensitive and posting it on pastebin
20:07 <@Haarg> but yeah, reverting to a backup is also a reasonable playn
20:07 <@Haarg> -y
20:07 < Trav|> How to revert to a backup ?
20:08 <@Haarg> why don't you try posting the config on pastebin
20:08 < Trav|> ok which file
20:09 <@Haarg> /data/WebGUI/etc/www.site.com.conf
20:09 <@Haarg> just be sure to remove the database info and maybe the paths first
20:09 < Trav|> ok, and only one website ?
20:10 <@Haarg> whichever site is having the assetproxy error
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20:13 < Trav|> done : http://webgui.pastebin.com/m34d7b63e
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20:16 <@Haarg> do you have the output from the upgrade process?
20:17 < Trav|> no, sorry
20:17 < Trav|> except if it stored somewhere
20:18 <@Haarg> NO
20:18 <@Haarg> not at this time at least
20:20 <@Haarg> seems like it didn't modify the config file properly
20:21 < Trav|> ok
20:21 <@Haarg> you're probably best going reverting to a backup and trying the upgrade again
20:21 <@Haarg> the upgrade script makes db backups in /tmp/backups/
20:22 <@Haarg> you'd also want to delete the WebGUI/docs/upgrades directory before extracting the different versions
20:26 < Trav|> the /tmp/backups/ file is from the 7.6.2 (my fault) : I did backup with backup.pl, to get them on another server automaticaly, so I have to upload webgui.tar.gz ?
20:27 < Trav|> or also the example.com.conf ,sql.gz ... files
20:31 < Trav|> Haarg: ?
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20:34  * Trav| don't know what to do
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20:43 < Trav|> I have to do this : http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/restoring-from-webgui-upgrade ?
20:44 < Trav|> Or is it a different case ?
20:44 < CIA-46> WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r9521 /branch/survey-rfe/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/ (Survey.pm Survey/SurveyJSON.pm): Logic is corrected, but the JS should probably be rewritten to be more like the WG PageLayout drag and drop so that it isn't so finicky.
21:27 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, I've missed that canShowDebug loop startup twice, so I added a comment to it.
21:27 <@Haarg> ok, cool
21:28 < Trav|> Haarg: do I only have to import database and delete upgrades folder ?
21:29 <@Haarg> you'll want to delete everything in the database before importing to it
21:29 < Trav|> drop www_example_com ? and that's all
21:30 <@Haarg> then create www_example_com
21:30 < Trav|> ok I'm going to do it
21:38 < SDuensin> Nice new release guys.  :-)
21:38 < SDuensin> Anything I need to know before using the iPhoto plugin?
21:40 < CIA-46> WebGUI: colin * r9522 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Session/ErrorHandler.pm: Document why a check exists in canShowDebug.
21:41 <+perlDreamer> You have to have iPhoto?
21:41 < SDuensin> :-P
21:41 < SDuensin> I have WebGUI, iPhoto, and $10.  :-P
21:41 <+perlDreamer> you are a rich and blessed man
21:41  * perlDreamer goes running
21:41 < SDuensin> Well, I *had* $10.  Now PlainBlack has it.
21:42 < SDuensin> All I get from the iPhoto thing is:  "NSXMLParserErrorDomain error 27."
21:43 < SDuensin> Get some 76's and a 5, too.
21:45 < SDuensin> Google doesn't even know what that means.  :-/
21:46 <@Haarg> what are you trying to post to?
21:46 < SDuensin> The new gallery I just added to my freshly upgraded www.duensing.com site.
21:47 < SDuensin> iPhoto + WebGUI = Holy Grail!
21:48 <@Haarg> i haven't used iphoto or the plugin, so i don't really know about problems that could show up
21:49 < SDuensin> When I read that in the press release, I about fell off the couch.
21:49 < Trav|> Haarg: well, I've just recreate the dbs, remove the upgrades dir, and restarted everything, and in the source code of the pages, I have generator : wG 7.6.11
21:49 < Trav|> What to do next ?
21:50 <@Haarg> well, start by extracting the older version of webgui that corresponds to the database you restored
21:50 < SDuensin> I pointed it at webgui.org and it loaded the gallery list from there just fine.
21:50 < SDuensin> Hmm.
21:51 < Trav|> Haarg: How ? just tar -xvzf over it
21:51 <@Haarg> pretty much
21:51 <@Haarg> extract to /data
21:51 <@Haarg> let me check something SDuensin 
21:51 < SDuensin> Thanks, Haarg 
21:51 < Trav|> Haarg: do I remove WebGui folder before ?
21:51 <@Haarg> no
21:52 <@Haarg> hah
21:52 <@Haarg> bug in the upgrade script
21:53 <@Haarg> SDuensin, add WebGUI::Content::AssetDiscovery to contentHandlers in the config file
21:53 <@Haarg> after WebGUI::Content::AssetManager
21:53 < SDuensin> Checking!
21:53 <@Haarg> i'll fix it in then next upgrade script as well
21:55 < SDuensin> Much better.  Thanks Haarg!
21:55 < Trav|> Haarg: are you shure I have to extract in /data and not in /data/WebGUI ? There no WebGUI directory in the tar
21:55 <@Haarg> yes
21:56 < Trav|> Without stoping spectre ?
21:56 <@Haarg> it doesn't really matter
21:56 < Trav|> (sorry for all the questions I don't want to make another mistake)
21:56 <@Haarg> you'll just restart afterward
21:56 < Trav|> ok, thanks
21:57 < Trav|> now I have docs, etc ... folders in /data
21:57 < Trav|> then ?
21:57  * Mech422 wonders if all the PB guys are out pitching Obama wG
21:57 <@Haarg> wait
21:58 < Mech422> he does need someone to do that accountability site for the stimuluus package
21:58 <@Haarg> if you are in /data and extract the webgui tarbzll
21:58 <@Haarg> *tarball
21:58 <@Haarg> it should place the extracted files in WebGUI
21:58 < Trav|> no, in the tarball, there is directly docs, etc dirs
21:58 <@Haarg> where is the tarball?
21:58 <@Haarg> url?
21:59 < Trav|> ?
21:59 <@Haarg> where did you get it from and what is it named?
22:00 < Trav|> it is named webgui.tar.gz, I ran the backup.pl script
22:00 <@Haarg> ah, i see
22:00 < Trav|> but it the same with the one on /tmp/webgui
22:00 <@Haarg> ok, sorry, was thinking about the wrong thing
22:00 <@Haarg> so you can delete the directories it extracted
22:00 <@Haarg> and extract to /data/WebGUI
22:00 < Trav|> ok
22:00 <@Haarg> sorry for throwing you off there
22:00 < Trav|> no problem
22:02 < SDuensin> Looks like there's some debug code left enabled in the iPhoto plugin, too.  It keeps popping up dialogs that say "Sending Request" and then "Received Response" for each image.
22:02 <@Haarg> hm
22:02 <@Haarg> can you report a bug about that?
22:03 < SDuensin> Sure thing.  With 10k images, that's 20k dialogs I have to OK.  :-P
22:05 < Trav|> Haarg:  and now ? (there is always the wG 7.6.11 generator tag)
22:06 <@Haarg> well, you'd want to restart the services if you haven't already
22:07 < Trav|> I restarted spectre, modproxy and modperl
22:07 < Trav|> and always the 7.6.11 tag
22:07 < Trav|> maybe a mistake from me
22:07 <@Haarg> when did you make the backup?
22:07 < Trav|> I may have take the wrong backup
22:08 < Trav|> it the wrong :( , I start again...
22:18 < Trav|> Haarg: thanks, now it (seems) to work again, I under wG 7.5.40
22:18 < Trav|> And now ? Do I have to upgrade directly to 7.6.11 ?
22:18 <@Haarg> yes
22:19 < Trav|> no module is needed ?
22:19 <@Haarg> probably run the backup again though first
22:19 <@Haarg> now that you have it in a working state
22:19 < Trav|> ok
22:19 <@Haarg> no extra modules you mean?
22:19 < Trav|> yes 
22:19 <@Haarg> you already installed the needed ones
22:19 < Trav|> ok
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22:23 < Trav|> le moment de vérité
22:27 < Trav|> Haarg: Thanks a LOT
22:27 < Trav|> I think it works now
22:27 <@Haarg> cool
22:28 < Trav|> thanks for your patience
22:29 < Trav|> too :)
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22:34 < SynQ> hi all
22:35 < SynQ> has anyone heared any expected date for the 'new' wre?
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23:08 <+perlDreamer> Haven't heard anything, SynQ
23:16 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, did you fix the demo site as reported in this bug: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9740
23:16 <@Haarg> odd
23:16 <@Haarg> may have been a dns thing
23:16 <@Haarg> seems to be working though
23:17 <+perlDreamer> it's working for me, too
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23:18 <+perlDreamer> I'm going to work on SDuensin's bugs this afternoon
23:20 <@Haarg> i just changed that to redirect to demo.webgui.org
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23:50 <+perlmonkey2> hmm, surveyJSON is no longer part of the survey definition, so it isn't copied into new versions upon updates.  
23:50 <+perlmonkey2> I wonder why that was done.
23:53 <+perlmonkey2> hmm, I guess to make is lazyload.  So which method do I need to overload to make sure that column is included in new versions?  Anyone, anyone?  Bueller? Bueller?
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00:03 <+perlDreamer> perlmonkey2, check the revision history of that branch.  I remember a lazy load being mentioned in there somewhere.
00:04 < elnino> how do you stop wremonitor?
00:04 <+perlDreamer> shotgun
00:04 < elnino> =)
00:04 < elnino> tell about it!!
00:04 < elnino> where can I find it? it's not listed in ps
00:05 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: yeah, looks like it was pulled out of the defition.  I'll just add a survey hook for editSave, call super, then update the new version with the previous versions surveyJSON.  That sound about right?
00:05  * perlDreamer bows to the superior wisdom of the Survey architect.
00:05 <+perlDreamer> elnino, since most wG stuff is invoked as perl script.pl, might try that.
00:06 <@Haarg> editSave?
00:07 < elnino> sure, but if it's a daemon, should it list with ps aux?
00:07 <@Haarg> that seems like an odd place to put something like that
00:07 <@Haarg> what if someone wants to add a rev to a survey with the api?
00:09 <+perlDreamer> update would be better
00:10 <@Haarg> manual packaging would also need to be done
00:11 <@Haarg> seems like taking it out of the definition is just going to lead to all kinds of problems
00:13 <+perlmonkey2> Haarg: hmm, is there anyway to set a def to lazy load?
00:13 <@Haarg> why does it need to lazy load?
00:13 <+perlmonkey2> I have no idea.  This is a patspam deal.  I guess I'll take it up with him ;)  Thanks for the help.
00:14 <@Haarg> this is survey-rfe?
00:15 <+perlmonkey2> Haarg: yep
00:16 <+perlmonkey2> It's where all the cool stuff on the survey is happen these days :P
00:16 <+perlDreamer> cool, brilliant, dangerous, destructive
00:19 <+perlDreamer> elnino, if it's an active process, then it shows up in ps
00:19 <+perlDreamer> if not, then something funny is happening, like having a hacked version of ps on your system
00:20 < elnino> right,  I'ts uppsoed to be in a cron, and I can't find it, but it's obviously running, because it starts up services I just shut downl, I can't catch it on ps when it's running.
00:20 <+perlDreamer> maybe you should edit the cron job not to run it?
00:21 < elnino> I didn't set the server up, it isn't in the crontab.  so it's probably in some users somewhere...
00:21 < elnino> so I'm doing a grep on the system. =)
00:22 <@Haarg> perlmonkey2, with the surveyJSON stuff as it is now, you don't get versioning of survey configs
00:22 <@Haarg> i'm not sure if that is intended
00:22 <@Haarg> if it is, i think it's going about it the wrong way
00:22 <+perlmonkey2> no, that wasn't intended.
00:23 <+perlmonkey2> no idea why it isn't grabbing that field like any other.
00:23 <+perlmonkey2> Looks like something stupid I did, and then got compounded by other people working around my mistake.
00:23 <@Haarg> i couldn't say
00:24 <@Haarg> i did a similar thing in dataform with a serialized field
00:24 <@Haarg> i didn't have a separate object for it though
00:25 <@Haarg> was something i was considering but didn't end up doing
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00:26 <+perlmonkey2> I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the lazy load's extra call to the DB can't be more efficient or have any net gain over having the surveyJSON grabbed during the initial asset def DB query.
00:26 <+perlmonkey2> And thus it should be put back into the definition.
00:27 <@Haarg> i agree
00:27 <@Haarg> you only have to deserialize it on demand anyway
00:27 <@Haarg> and i would think you need that information for pretty much everything the survey does
00:27 <+perlmonkey2> Haarg: cool, thanks for the help.  I'll try to do that on both branches tonight.  But got to run some errands right now.
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00:30 < elnino> perlDreamer - I Found the cron statements.
00:30 < elnino> we're good.
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00:56 <+perlDreamer> I need someone to swear profusely for about 10 minutes for me.
00:57 < SynQ> why?
00:57 < elnino> ? with you?
00:57 <+perlDreamer> I'm very frustrated.
00:57 < SynQ> why?
00:57 <+perlDreamer> template editing
00:57 < SynQ> aj
00:57 < elnino> we're so supportive!  =)
00:57 < SynQ> you don't own a parrot?
00:58 <+perlDreamer> No parrots, only children, cats and a dog
00:59 < SynQ> I'll lite a candle for you
00:59 < SynQ> perhaps that might help
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01:03 < elnino> I have a separate instance of apache running along side wre's apache. When I do a system update, it's not going to affect wre's apache, right?
01:04 < SynQ> that depends
01:04 < SynQ> but your chances are good
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01:11 < Mech422> perlDreamer: swearing accomplished - would you like me to have a cup of coffee for you too ? 
01:11 < Mech422> it helps you relax and focus after venting
01:15 <+perlDreamer> Thanks, Mech422, but coffee makes me jittery
01:16 < Mech422> ok - I'll just have one for me then :-)
01:16 < deafferret> *grumble*salad*grumble*
01:18 <+perlDreamer> salad makes me jittery, too
01:19 < deafferret> perlDreamer: go to the gym so I can buy a Snickers  :)
01:19 < Mech422> whee! stupid epoch tricks !!
01:19 < deafferret> keep the universe in balance
01:19 <+perlDreamer> I already went running today, you should be covered
01:20 < deafferret> damn! I missed my window!
01:20 <+perlDreamer> make that a half Snickers, and counting
01:21 < Mech422> in like 11 minutes, we enter a numerically insignificant astoundingly consecutative time!
01:21 <+perlDreamer> I know!
01:21 <+perlDreamer> perlbot: time()
01:21 <+perlDreamer> perlbot: eval time()
01:22 <+perlDreamer> perlbot: help
01:22 < perlbot> (fact) : tell (who) about (what) : (what) > (who) : learn (what) as (info) : relearn (fact) as (info) : phone (phone #) : shorten (url) : shorten it : search (keyword) : cpan (mod) : docs (mod) : perldoc -f (func) : jargon (term) : math (expr): fortune : flip : host (type) (record) : rot13 (text) : roll (die) : tempconv (temp) : scramble (foo) : 8ball (question) : slap (who) : diss (who) : top/bottom (num) karma : geoip (ip)
01:22 < Mech422> this will keep bloggers going for at least the next 2^16 seconds!
01:22 <+perlDreamer> I would have sworn that perlbot had an eval mode
01:22 <+perlmonkey2> eval time()
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01:23 < deafferret> eval('time')
01:23 <+perlmonkey2> eval: time();
01:23 <+perlDreamer> no, that command kicks bpmedley out of the channel
01:23 <+perlDreamer> perlbot: eval('time')
01:23 <+perlDreamer> perlbot: eval: time()
01:23 <+perlmonkey2> eval: print time();
01:23 < deafferret> 1234567408 here
01:24 <+perlDreamer> 1234567550 here
01:25 < dreamersgirl> I "heart" my geek
01:25 <+perlDreamer> the world grinds to a halt as hackers all over the world start obsessively typing perl -e 'print time()'
01:27 <+perlDreamer> two minutes or so?
01:28  * perlDreamer starts to worry about a bug hidden in the deep, dark depths of the kernel
01:29 <+perlDreamer> w00t!
01:30 < deafferret> 80s
01:30 <+perlDreamer> I must not be sync'ed up
01:30 <+perlDreamer> already passed here
01:31 < deafferret> set date() back to live it all over again!
01:31 < deafferret> woot!
01:32 < Mech422> cel-e-brate good times
01:33  * Mech422 goes to look for planes falling outta da sky....
01:33 < Mech422> power's still on :-)
01:33 <+perlDreamer> that's a good sign
01:33 < Mech422> dam - guess I'm _still_ not gonna get to use that Y2K bunker
01:34 <+perlDreamer> The world is going to end in 2012, you'll have a chance then
01:35 < Mech422> 2012 ?  I thought it was 2032 ?
01:35 <+perlDreamer> oh no
01:35 <+perlDreamer> 2012
01:35 <+perlDreamer> Mayan calender
01:35 <+perlDreamer> Native american calendar
01:35 <+perlDreamer> Egyptians, chinese
01:35 <+perlDreamer> they all agree that the world ends in December, 2012
01:35 < Mech422> ahh - good, the rations should still be edible then...
01:37 < Mech422> I can break out my "Y2KY Jelly" T-shirt again then, too :-)
01:37 < Mech422> geeky and sexy all in one - the ultimate T
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01:44 < Mech422> wow - the siftables TED video is neat
01:44 < Mech422> I wanna play with them !!
01:46 <+perlDreamer> link?
01:46 <+perlDreamer> and how goes your WebGUI hacking?
01:52 <+perlDreamer> SDuensin: svn rev 9523 fixes the gallery title issue
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02:01 <+perlDreamer> she's gone!
02:01 <+perlDreamer> no!
02:08 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, AssetDiscovery was added to all the config files already, back in 7.6.0-7.6.1
02:08 <+perlDreamer> and it was in the WebGUI.conf file as well
02:08 <@Haarg> there's a bug though
02:08 <@Haarg> it get the values
02:08 <@Haarg> modifies the array
02:08 <@Haarg> then... nothing
02:08 <@Haarg> it doesn't save it
02:08 <+perlDreamer> doh
02:08 < CIA-46> WebGUI: colin * r9523 /WebGUI/ (13 files in 5 dirs): 
02:08 < CIA-46> WebGUI: Make sure that the gallery obeys the displayTitle flag. Many gallery
02:08 < CIA-46> WebGUI: templates were altered to support this.
02:08 < CIA-46> WebGUI: colin * r9524 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: Document that the previous Gallery commit also fixed another bug.
02:10 <+perlDreamer> While I'm in the bug fixing groove, do you want me to fix that, too?
02:10 <@Haarg> sure
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02:13 < Mech422> http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/caleb_chung_plays_with_pleo.html <- Next gen 'robot pet'
02:13 < Mech422> http://www.ted.com/talks/david_merrill_demos_siftables_the_smart_blocks.html  <- siftables
02:14 < Mech422> http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/jeff_han_demos_his_breakthrough_touchscreen.html <- awesome multi-touch interface demo
02:14 < Mech422> perlDreamer: hacking got side tracked a bit by the vids
02:17 < Mech422> brb - gonna walk back to the house
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03:20 < CIA-46> wgdev: Graham Knop master * r4bdf9d8 / (.perlcriticrc lib/WGDev/Command/Reset.pm): set UID, GID, and mode based on existing upgrades when resetting - http://bit.ly/6NYqa
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03:31 < HomeMech> blargle
03:32 < HomeMech> kopete in debians kde 4.2 packages seems to be missing irc support, so I'm back to pidgin
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03:50 <@preaction> Mech4221: might i suggest Konversation?
03:50 <@preaction> using IM clients for your IRC is usually unhealthy, especially considering pidgin's complete lack of awesome IRC support
03:50 < Mech4221> oh?  I haven't tried that one... a KDE based client would be nice
03:51 < Mech4221> heh - I don't need awesome - though to be honest, pidgin seems 'nicer' then kopete for irc
03:51 < Mech4221> I just need a simple 1 tab per channel interface - perferably without funky smiley crap
03:51 <@preaction> perhaps, but better crap is still crap
03:52 < Mech4221> heh :-)   I still like my smileys in ascii :-)
03:52 < Mech4221> I don't care for these new fangled 'emoticon' thingys
03:52 < Mech4221> ('emoticon' - sounds like a transformer with PMS...)
03:52 <@preaction> yeah, half the time i have no idea what the emoticons ARE
03:53 <@preaction> :) smily :p wry sarcasm
03:53 < Mech4221> :-D
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03:53 <@preaction> why do all the :p emoticons have to look happy? i'm not happy when i'm being wryly sarcastic
03:53 <@preaction> WE MUST FIGHT THE POWER OF CUTENESS LEST WE DROWN IN A SEA OF EMOTICONS AND LOLCATS
03:54 < Mech4221> and some of them are just plain silly - emoticons you won't use in a million years - the "I just hit Lotto!!" emoticon
03:54 < Mech4221> I could have sworn there was a video on wGTV on how to add properties to member profiles, but I can't find the dam thing now
03:55 <@preaction> the User Profiling tab on the Admin Console?
03:56 < Mech4221> umm - no ?  I just want to add a 'subscribe to your mailing list' link on each members profile...
03:56 < Mech4221> I could have sworn I saw a video on configuring user profiles yesterday
03:56 <@preaction> you could make a readonly field for it, or you could edit the template
03:56 < Mech4221> btw - wGTV is an awesome Idea :-)
03:57 <@preaction> thank tavis and mego for that one
03:57 < Mech4221> I want it in the DB ...  I thought there was a place you could define custom fields in the admin interface somewhere
03:58 <@preaction> yes, the User Profiling tab in the admin interface
03:58 <@preaction> what does this "subscribe to your mailing list" link do?
03:58 < Mech4221> oh - that sounds like visitor tracking type stuff...
03:58 < Mech4221> right now - nothing...
03:58 < Mech4221> but  I added a 'profile modified' hook 
03:58 <@preaction> no, User Profiling is how you add profile fields
03:59 < Mech4221> so that eventually, when a user changes the state of that switch, it will automagically update our mailing list provider
03:59 < Mech4221> but thats gotta wait till I have time to grok iContacts web api's
03:59 <@preaction> you might be even more interested in the new Account stuff in 7.6, it lets you build custom code into the user's profile screen
03:59 < Mech4221> ahh - thanks
04:00 < Mech4221> I discussed that briefly with the client - we're gonna get this out the door, then eval 7.6...
04:01 < Mech4221> the social networking stuff in it could be useful
04:01 <@preaction> it is useful, let me assure you. i've been working on nothing but for the last few months
04:02 < Mech4221> Hmm - 'User Profile' might be a less confusing title then 'User Profiling' ??  the 'ing' implies something 'verby' - some sort of action...
04:03 < Mech4221> oh cool
04:03 <@preaction> it does, webgui 8 is gonna change things
04:03 < Mech4221> hopefully we'll get to play with it soon :-)
04:03 < Mech4221> (social networking I mean)
04:03 < Mech4221> we're doing a 'typical' news type site
04:03 <@preaction> indeed, and as mentioned you'll also have the pluggable nature of the profile system (which itself is hugely awesome)
04:04 < Mech4221> oh - how would you recommend setting up a 'story archive' ?
04:04 < Mech4221> we want to have 'headlines' on the front page...
04:04 <@preaction> heh, you know Perl or have people who do?
04:04 < Mech4221> with a normal year/month/day type archive under say /archive/2009/01/12
04:04 < Mech4221> I used to do a lot of perl - but I've been in python the last 10 years
04:05 <@preaction> uh... are those types of URLs really necessary?
04:05 < Mech4221> (god, it sounds wierd " I haven't really done Perl since the turn of the century" )
04:05 <@preaction> webgui doesn't look at URLs like that
04:05 < Mech4221> Umm - something 'sensible' would be good ...
04:05 < Mech4221> so a human can find stuff
04:05 <@preaction> hell, whatever you're trying to mimick doesn't look at URLs like that, php and rewrite rules...
04:06 <@preaction> humans find stuff using search engines and links :p
04:06 <@preaction> the URLs webgui creates usually come from the title of the asset
04:06 < Mech4221> actually - If I can figure out a sites url scheme - I do it myself
04:06 <@preaction> you're not most humans then
04:06 < Mech4221> especially in archives - comics, news, etc...
04:07 <@preaction> but if you were most humans, you and i would not be having this conversation in this IRC chat room (i like to call it multiplayer notepad)
04:07 < Mech4221> hehe
04:07 < Mech4221> well - I can futzor the urls around in Varnish if need be
04:07 <@preaction> but seriously, you could have both your normal WebGUI URLs and the date-based URLs if you wanted
04:08 < Mech4221> but the big thing is, having the stories in 'two places' - the front page and the archive/main folder
04:08 <@preaction> see WebGUI::URL for more info on that, or WebGUI::Content (ways to jack WebGUI's request cycle)
04:08 <@preaction> thats easy with shortcuts
04:08 < Mech4221> so that the front-page always shows say the 10 most recent stories as headlines
04:08 <@preaction> or even easier with Syndicated Content and Collaboration System
04:08 < Mech4221> oh cool
04:09 < Mech4221> so this is not a 'write lots of custom template code' type thing ?
04:09 <@preaction> you could even categorize your site, have 12 Collaboration Systems, 1 for each category, and then pipe their RSS feeds into your main page's Syndicated Content asset
04:09 <@preaction> nope, this is pretty standard webgui stuff
04:09 < Mech4221> (in plone, we'd do it by adding a custom query to a template, limiting it to 10 results, etc etc )
04:09 < Mech4221> niiicccceeee !
04:09 < Mech4221> the plone way is rather tedious
04:10 <@preaction> though if you want to write it up as a step-by-step, you might be able to make some cash on a book (or just give it out of the goodness of your heart)
04:10 < Mech4221> ??
04:10 <@preaction> in addition, WebGUI 7.7 or 8 will include an asset specifically for that website you want
04:10 <@preaction> called the Story Manager of all things
04:11 < Mech4221> dam.. figures right after I figure it out problably :-P
04:11 <@preaction> heh, i'm asking you to write about how you make your website so that future generations can use it to see how awesome webgui is (as payment for all the hard work everyone has put into the product you get to use for free)
04:12 <@preaction> comparing it to plone would be awesome PR
04:12 < Mech4221> ahh...
04:12 < Mech4221> I can help with a feature comparison...
04:12 < Mech4221> but given I'm probably doing this all wrong - I'm probably not ready to be writiging how-to's yet ??
04:12 < Mech4221> (though I am planning on doing client work in webgui in 2009...)
04:13 < Mech4221> I'm probably gonna end up with webgui for 'standard' stuff...
04:13 < Mech4221> and pylons for everything else
04:14 < Mech4221> if the 'data type' for a profile field is 'Yes or No' - do I still need to list the possible values ?
04:14 < Mech4221> (if so, is 'yes' case sensitive ? )
04:14 <@preaction> no, you don't
04:14 < Mech4221> cool
04:15 <@preaction> if you hover over the "Possible Values", it pops up with some help text
04:15 <@preaction> most labels work like that
04:15 <@preaction> that help text should say which fields it applies to
04:15 < Mech4221> anyway - Donna and I can definately help with comparisions... oh sorry - forgot the hover help thing..
04:15 < Mech4221> we also volunteered for booth bunny duty at S.F. area events (linux expo, etc )
04:15 <@preaction> i was just thinking an article that we could post somewhere, or once you're done with the site a success story
04:16 <@preaction> no need to go out of your way
04:16 < Mech4221> oh - success story is easy to get - this guy loves to brag about his site :-)
04:16 <@preaction> but we do give out goodies to people who give their time to WebGUI
04:16 < Mech4221> he's very proud of how fast it runs, size of the archives (like 5+ years) , etc etc
04:17 <@preaction> nice, ask tavis@plainblack.com, he might want to set up something (if you aren't already on the site)
04:17 <@preaction> i wonder if webgui.org has a success stories section
04:17 <@preaction> are you on the Sightings section?
04:17 < Mech4221> yeah - he gave us 'integrator' forum access
04:18 < Mech4221> umm - probably not yet - we haven't gone live yet
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04:18 <@preaction> ah, then i'll leave things in his capable hands
04:18 < Mech4221> oh crap - I need to check on the status of his file system stuff 
04:19 < Mech4221> I think we volunteer a bit o cash towards it, but I'm not sure
04:20 <@preaction> wait, are we talking JT or Tavis now?
04:21 < Mech4221> err crap - JT I think...
04:21 < Mech4221> I'd have to look back in the forum to see
04:21 <@preaction> no biggie. tavis is the marketing guy, jt is the tech guy.
04:21 < Mech4221> ahh - JT then I think :-)
04:22 <@preaction> dunno what's going on with the wg file system stuff though
04:22 < Mech4221> he was mentioning that someone needed file system access (webdav?) and that it might be able to grow in the future to a more generalized setup
04:22 < Mech4221> (right now I think it was focused on 'documents' of some sort )
04:23 < Mech4221> anyway - I'd love to be able to do all wG dev on the FS in mercurial ...
04:29 < Mech4221> Hmm -  the 'admin->Settings->Permissions' tab seems to be confusing firefox (iceweasel)
04:29 < Mech4221> it keeps telling me it needs to repost the page
04:41 < Mech4221> say I want to create a new blog under /blog1 ...
04:41 < Mech4221> should the page layout have a url of 'blog1' or should that be the article ??
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05:48 <+perlDreamer> preaction, are you still hanging around?
05:48 <+perlDreamer> Don't talk to me unless you want to talk business, though.
05:48 <@preaction> ooh
05:48 <@preaction> now i'm intrigued
05:49 <+perlDreamer> I want to find out what happened to your missing email?
05:49 <+perlDreamer> http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9169
05:50 <@preaction> the email wasn't missing, it was there
05:50 <@preaction> but it had a link inside that didn
05:50 <@preaction> t work
05:51 <+perlDreamer> does the asset exist in the db on pb.com?
05:51 <@preaction> http://www.webgui.org/install/upgrade_help/user-preferences-wont-save#OWi-PhxMaOpxdOnBkV1rBw <- the second post
05:51 <@preaction> the asset exists, but not with that URL
05:54 <+perlDreamer> I don't suppose the actual URL would help us understand what happened?
05:54 <@preaction> http://www.webgui.org/install/upgrade_help/user-preferences-wont-save2/1#idmPJ8HZuiBYBZrN0ljBd5Yw
05:54 <@preaction> its in my bug post
05:54 <+perlDreamer> wont-save2
05:55 <+perlDreamer> that's an autoincrement due to existance
05:55 <@preaction> right, but it also has the /1 on it, like it should, and that should make it unique
06:03 <+perlDreamer> so you have the original reply with the headers?
06:06 <+perlDreamer> the /1 only gets applied if it comes through a form
06:06 <+perlDreamer> pFFPP -> postProcess
06:12 <+perlDreamer> nope, there it is, stuck down in GetCsMail
06:14 <+perlDreamer> hm, why call postProcess after calling for the autoCommit?
06:15 <+perlDreamer> wouldn't that create an asset in the db with 2 different URLs?  One that has been fixed through postProcess, and one that hasn't?
06:15 <@preaction> that sounds bad
06:15 <@preaction> postProcess should come first, no/
06:16 <+perlDreamer> That's what I think
06:16 <+perlDreamer> But I also know that Haarg has crawled through and through this
06:20 <+perlDreamer> preaction, what's the parent of the lost post?
06:20 <@preaction> the first URL i posted
06:20 <+perlDreamer> so why doesn't it show up?
06:21 <+perlDreamer> is there an error thrown to the log when that thread is viewed?
06:21 <@preaction> no, the post is in the thread just fine
06:21 <+perlDreamer> or is the post's status set to something strange?
06:21  * perlDreamer is confused
06:21 <@preaction> the post sends out an e-mail, that e-mail contains the incorrect URL
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06:21 <@preaction> (the second URL i posted)
06:23 <+perlDreamer> Let me make sure I understand this, then.
06:23 <+perlDreamer> You reply to a post
06:23 <+perlDreamer> the post shows up in the thread
06:24 <+perlDreamer> when subscribers are notified, though, they are given the wrong URL for the new post
06:24 <+perlDreamer> and that _other_ URL, the bad one, does not exist in the db at all
06:24 <@preaction> didn't check that, one sec
06:25 <+perlDreamer> I'm going to say that the URL does exist in the db.
06:25 <@preaction> it doesn't
06:25 <@preaction> the correct URL exists though
06:26 <+perlDreamer> that's good
06:28 <+perlDreamer> bio-break, brb
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16:03 < CIA-46> WebGUI: koen * r9529 /wrebuild/readme.txt: Added build-essential to needed packages for debian.
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18:09 < SynQ> more power to the WRE
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18:40 < CIA-46> WebGUI: koen * r9530 /wrebuild/getsource.sh: Added script to download all sources exept for all perlmodules, hacky but it works.
18:40 < CIA-46> WebGUI: koen * r9531 /wrebuild/build.sh: Added shared expires module to apache for better YSlow score.
18:40 < CIA-46> WebGUI: yung * r9532 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): matrix search fixes and performance improvements
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19:22 < CIA-46> WebGUI: koen * r9533 /wrebuild/ (build.sh getsource.sh): (log message trimmed)
19:22 < CIA-46> WebGUI: - Upgrade the following components to these new versions:
19:22 < CIA-46> WebGUI: openssl-0.9.8j
19:22 < CIA-46> WebGUI: lftp-3.7.8
19:22 < CIA-46> WebGUI: libtool-2.2.6a
19:22 < CIA-46> WebGUI: libcrypt-1.4.4
19:22 < CIA-46> WebGUI: gnutls-2.6.4
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21:56 < CIA-46> WebGUI: koen * r9534 /wrebuild/ (getperlmodules.sh build.sh getsource.sh readme.txt): 
21:56 < CIA-46> WebGUI: added getperlmodules.sh for downloading all needed perlmodules
21:56 < CIA-46> WebGUI: correction: libtool-2.2.6a is the same as libtool-2.2.6
21:56 < CIA-46> WebGUI: added readline dependancy for debian
22:33 < SynQ> hmm
22:34 < SynQ> checking for SSL... configure: error: The flag --with-openssl is deprecated, use --with-ssl
22:35 < SynQ> checking for SSL... configure: error: Could not link with SSL libs at /data/wre/prereqs
22:38 < SynQ> To select OpenSSL instead, give the option as             --with-ssl=path,             where path is the directory where             the OpenSSL header files and libraries are located.
22:49 < SynQ> hmm
22:49 < SynQ> first real hurdle
22:50 < bernd_kz> Can't really help you.
22:50 < bernd_kz> But I can motivate you by saying that
22:51 < bernd_kz> if anyone is going to solve it, it will be you!!!
22:53 < bernd_kz> SynQ, any closer to the solution?
22:53 < bernd_kz> What is the problem, btw?
23:00 < SynQ> ah
23:01 < SynQ> I'm trying to get mysql 5.1 into the WRE
23:01 < SynQ> but it has different compile options :)
23:02 <@Haarg> SynQ, bernd_kz, have you used git before?
23:02 < SynQ> nope
23:03 < SynQ> I haven't but I was wondering
23:03 < bernd_kz> Never,
23:03 < bernd_kz> why?
23:03 < SynQ> where have those svn repo's gone?
23:03 < bernd_kz> Changing the translation server?
23:03 <@Haarg> well, i've been working on converting our stuff over to git
23:03 < bernd_kz> Everything?
23:03 < SynQ> couldn't find anyting about it on the dev list
23:03 <@Haarg> webgui itself is going to wait until 8.0
23:03 < SynQ> haarg: what about wre?
23:03 <@Haarg> i'll send an email to dev about it
23:04 <@Haarg> translations will wait until i have the translation server rewritten
23:04 < SynQ> and where is the git repo at?
23:04 <@Haarg> and the wre depends mostly on you guys
23:04 < SynQ> and even more important... why git?
23:04 < SynQ> what is wrong with svn
23:04 < SynQ> or what is better at git?
23:04 < bernd_kz> Yes, why git?
23:05 <@Haarg> because you are the only ones who do or have expressed an interest in committing stuff to the wre
23:06 < bernd_kz> I still cannot follow.
23:06 < SynQ> neither can I
23:06 <@Haarg> sorry
23:06 <@Haarg> that was a continuation of my previous sentence
23:06 < SynQ> ah
23:06 < SynQ> so, why git?
23:07 < bernd_kz> Oh, now I understand.
23:07 <@Haarg> well, it's a lot better for branching and merging for one
23:07 < bernd_kz> You want to migrate the wrebuild folder?
23:07 <@Haarg> at some point yes
23:07 < SynQ> hmm
23:07 < bernd_kz> But first, SynQ and me have learn about git?
23:08 <@Haarg> yeah
23:08 < SynQ> I just got a hang of subversion
23:08 <@Haarg> heh
23:08 < SynQ> now you want me to change to git :)
23:08 < bernd_kz> When is that going to happen?
23:08 <@Haarg> there's been a number of others in the community proposing switching to git
23:08 < SynQ> patspam for sure :)
23:08 < bernd_kz> Well, why not?
23:08 <@Haarg> yeah
23:08 <@Haarg> i personally find it a nicer to work with
23:08 < SynQ> is there any good books on git?
23:09 <@Haarg> i'm not sure
23:09 <@Haarg> there's lots of good info on in the internet though
23:09 < bernd_kz> Haarg, I just uploaded a patch for the translation server.
23:09 < SynQ> like this one: http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596004484/
23:09 < bernd_kz> Can still apply it until the translation server was migrated to git?
23:09 < bernd_kz> you
23:09 < SynQ> I see there is: http://oreilly.com/catalog/9781934356159/
23:10 < bernd_kz> It prevents the translation server from locking due to a conflict.
23:10 < bernd_kz> I expect, something similar will also be necessary when working with git.
23:11 <@Haarg> http://git.or.cz/course/svn.html
23:11 < bernd_kz> SynQ, is that a good one?
23:11 < bernd_kz> Haarg, can we have a webinar? You teaching us ;-)
23:11 <@Haarg> http://github.com/plainblack <- all our git repos are here
23:12 < SynQ> bernd: dunno yet
23:12 < SynQ> but I'll buy it for sure
23:12 <@Haarg> if you sign up on github, i can give you commit access
23:12 < SynQ> what is github.com 
23:12 <@Haarg> git hosting service
23:12 < SynQ> is plainblack moving away from hosting the repo's on it's own servers?
23:13 <@Haarg> yes
23:13 < SynQ> ok
23:14 <@Haarg> bernd_kz, i can apply the patch to the translation server
23:14 < bernd_kz> Cool!
23:14 < SynQ> hmm
23:14 < bernd_kz> And don't forget to take care of conflicts when using git.
23:14 <@Haarg> yeah
23:14 < bernd_kz> I believe it will be the same problem there.
23:14 < bernd_kz> Ok, I am going to bed.
23:15 < bernd_kz> Have a good night/evening...
23:15 <@Haarg> i have a lot of ideas in mind for the updated translation server
23:15 < bernd_kz> Some login protection would be great.
23:15 < bernd_kz> And a change history.
23:15 <@Haarg> yeah
23:15 < bernd_kz> I would like to know who did the last changes.
23:15 <@Haarg> having changes be attibuted is part of that
23:15 < bernd_kz> Currently, too many people working on translations and you never get to know them.
23:16 <@Haarg> as well as diffs and such
23:16 < bernd_kz> What about making it an asset?
23:16 <@Haarg> that's the plan
23:16 < bernd_kz> Haarg, that is great news!
23:16 <@Haarg> can tie it in to karma etc then as well
23:16 < bernd_kz> I was about to submit an RFE on that.
23:16 < bernd_kz> Lovely.
23:16 < bernd_kz> I am going to sleep very well tonight =)
23:17 < bernd_kz> Shall we set the deadline already ;-)
23:17 < bernd_kz> I think February 17 would suit me well.
23:17 <@Haarg> heh
23:17 < SynQ> hang on
23:17 < bernd_kz> Good night!
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23:17 < SynQ> I was distracted by my daughter
23:18 < SynQ> I don't like the github allready
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23:18 < SynQ> my normal username is already taken
23:19 < SynQ> but ok I have created an account
23:19 < SynQ> it is called synq
23:20 < SynQ> do ad it to the github haarg
23:20 <@Haarg> i can convert wrebuild at any time really - there's no rush
23:21 < SynQ> please don't do it now
23:22 <@Haarg> didn't plan on it
23:22 <@Haarg> just wanted you guys to be aware of the change as you are basically the only ones who commit to wrebuild aside from pb
23:23 <@Haarg> how is your daughter doing btw?
23:23 < SynQ> haarg: does github have an rss feed like svnweb has?
23:23 < SynQ> she is sleeping now
23:23 < SynQ> but I just changed her diaper
23:23 < SynQ> that helped :)
23:23 <@Haarg> there's a number of different rss feeds it offers
23:30 < CIA-46> WebGUI: koen * r9535 /wrebuild/build.sh: updated mysql to version mysql-5.1.31 now using yassl instead of openssl
23:31 < SynQ> ok
23:32 < SynQ> could you do a small wiki page on that?
23:32 < SynQ> on webgui.org
23:32 <@Haarg> yeah, i'll put together something for a wiki page and send something to the dev list
23:33 < SynQ> nice thanks
23:33 < SynQ> any chance on jt on irc soon?
23:33 <@Haarg> couldn't say
23:34 < SynQ> I'd like to discuss using ngix for modproxy
23:35 <@Haarg> just as an amusing thing about git vs svn - an svn checkout of webgui uses 108MB just for the metadata.  a git repo with the entire history going back to pre-1.0 takes about 80MB.
23:35 <@Haarg> ngix?
23:35 < SynQ> indeed so
23:36 < SynQ> nginx even
23:36 < SynQ> http://nginx.net/
23:36 <@Haarg> replacing modproxy with nginx you mean?
23:37 < SynQ> that
23:38 <@Haarg> we've discussed alternatives to modproxy before
23:38 < SynQ> when was that and what was the conclusion then?
23:38 <@Haarg> main reasons we use it are that we already have apache and everyone knows how to use it
23:38 < SynQ> ah
23:39 <@Haarg> and modproxy has certainly be improving
23:39 < SynQ> but 'everyone knows how to use it' doesn't stop plainblack from moving to git
23:39 <@Haarg> true
23:39 < SynQ> so why should it stop us from moving to nginx
23:39 <@Haarg> it's not a reason to stop
23:39 < SynQ> it promises to be much faster
23:40 <@Haarg> it's just one reason it hasn't been a priority to do something else
23:40 < SynQ> and should have a simple configuration
23:40 < SynQ> ah
23:40 <@Haarg> why nginx in particular?
23:40 < SynQ> well
23:40 < SynQ> there is lighttp and nginx
23:40 <@Haarg> i have't heard of it before
23:41 < SynQ> and nginx seems to be the favourable one in much discussions to be found 'on the internet'
23:41 < SynQ> plus it is more actively being developed
23:41 <@Haarg> lots of open source stuff is moving to git btw, especially in the perl world
23:41 < SynQ> I have allready ordered the book
23:41 < SynQ> it will be at my desk in a few days
23:41 <@Haarg> does nginx offer something along the lines of rewrite rules?
23:42 < SynQ> something way better
23:42 < SynQ> as far as I understood
23:42 < SynQ> but I must admit I have not taken a lot of time to look at it yet
23:43 < SynQ> It's just something that might help speed up the WRE and let it have a smaller footprint
23:43 <@Haarg> yeah
23:43 < SynQ> http://wiki.codemongers.com/NginxHttpRewriteModule
23:43 < SynQ> and faster is better
23:43 <@Haarg> certainly
23:44 <@Haarg> looks more readable than a most apache rewrites
23:44 < SynQ> so it does
23:44 < SynQ> it looks more 'perlish' to me
23:44 <@Haarg> yeah
23:45 < SynQ> it has something else that is nice
23:45 < SynQ> it's called limit_zone 
23:46 < SynQ> in short you can use that to limit the numer of connections one client can make to your server
23:46 < SynQ> thus spreading the resources over all users
23:46 <@Haarg> nice
23:46 < SynQ> it might sound a bit communistic
23:46 <@Haarg> do you know what it has for prereqs?
23:46 < SynQ> but then, it is made in russia :)
23:47 < SynQ> prereqs: gzip pcre and openssl
23:47 <@Haarg> so pretty much nothing
23:48 <@Haarg> if possible i think we're also going to see if we can detach webgui from modperl in 8.0
23:48 < SynQ> a c-compiler ofcourse
23:48 < SynQ> that would mean getting rid of apache all together
23:48 <@Haarg> to allow using it with something like fastcgi as well
23:48 < SynQ> which might be a very sound descision
23:48 <@Haarg> but we need to investigate that a lot more
23:48 < SynQ> now if you'll excuse me
23:49 < SynQ> I have to do some monk's job
23:49 < SynQ> creating a 'getperlmodules.sh' script
23:49 < SynQ> to get the WRE up to the latest and greatest
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23:55 < Baylink> How embarrassing.  I don't know how to drive my own client.  Here I am now.  :-)  Is there a wobject for doing something akin to digital signage within a WG instance.
23:56 < Baylink> ?
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00:00 <@preaction> what's digital signage?
00:04 < Baylink> What I'm looking for is something that will let me upload a bunch of assets, JPGs, maybe SWFs, and flag them as being viewable in different areas/locations, and then wire browsers in those locations to a "view" page for the wobject, and have it page-flip through the assets that are pertinent to that spot (building, what have you).
00:04 < Baylink> A centrally managed, high powered version of the Powerpoint player, if you will.
00:05 <@preaction> sounds like something very specific that you'd need to code
00:06 < Baylink> Yeah.  I figured as much.  But there's a lot of contrib, and I figured someone on here would know better than me if anyone had gone close to there...
00:06 <@preaction> i'm not even sure what you want really, but it sounds complicated
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00:07 < Baylink> Think of it as "Gallery with playlists".  With separate playlists for separate places.
00:08 < Baylink> Maybe I can even *do* it with gallery; I'm not sure how much of the update-y stuff is in 7.6
00:08 < Baylink> (Yet. :-)
00:08 <@preaction> what are places? can they just be pointed to different URLs?
00:08 < Baylink> Hmmm.
00:08 < Baylink> Yeah, basically:  /gallery/playlist-bldg1 /gallery/playlist-bldg2 /gallery/edit
00:08 < Baylink> And I can checkbox or tag to decide which items go in which playlists.
00:09 < Baylink> Gotta go slap a 7.6 instance up and see how far along that is.
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00:26 < CIA-46> WebGUI: translation * r9538 /translations/German/German/WebGUI.pm: Update from translation server
00:26 < CIA-46> WebGUI: translation * r9539 /translations/German/German/Macro_UsersOnline.pm: Update from translation server
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00:54 < CIA-46> WebGUI: translation * r9542 /translations/German/German/PayDriver.pm: Update from translation server
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00:55 < CIA-46> WebGUI: Net_SSLeay.pm-1.30
00:55 < CIA-46> WebGUI: Proc-ProcessTable-0.45
00:55 < CIA-46> WebGUI: BSD-Resource-1.2902
00:55 < CIA-46> WebGUI: URI-1.37
00:55 < CIA-46> WebGUI: IO-Zlib-1.09
00:55 < CIA-46> WebGUI: translation * r9544 /translations/German/German/Asset_Collaboration.pm: Update from translation server
00:55 < CIA-46> WebGUI: translation * r9545 /translations/German/German/Asset_Gallery.pm: Update from translation server
00:55 < CIA-46> WebGUI: translation * r9546 /translations/German/German/Asset_Calendar.pm: Update from translation server
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01:23 < CIA-46> WebGUI: translation * r9549 /translations/German/German/Asset_Dashboard.pm: Update from translation server
01:23 < CIA-46> WebGUI: translation * r9550 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/ (Asset.pm WebGUI.pm): Update from translation server
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01:52 < CIA-46> WebGUI: updated perlmodules (and added to getperlmodules.sh script) to:
01:52 < CIA-46> WebGUI: SOAP-Lite-0.710.08
01:52 < CIA-46> WebGUI: DBI-1.607
01:52 < CIA-46> WebGUI: DBD-mysql-4.010
01:52 < CIA-46> WebGUI: HTML-TableExtract-2.10
01:52 < CIA-46> WebGUI: Finance-Quote-1.15
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02:20 < CIA-46> WebGUI: patspam * r9555 /branch/survey-rfe/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Started working on Survey Multiple Choice bundle management.
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02:57 < CIA-46> WebGUI: POE-Component-Client-DNS-1.02
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02:57 < CIA-46> WebGUI: POE-Component-Client-HTTP-0.87
02:57 < CIA-46> WebGUI: Test-Deep-0.103
02:57 < CIA-46> WebGUI: Test-MockObject-1.09
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03:48 < CIA-46> WebGUI: Removed hard-coding of multi-choice bundles from administersurvey.js
03:48 < CIA-46> WebGUI: Refactored long, nested if-else
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15:50 <+BartJol> mmm I have some cpan trouble
15:51 <+BartJol> and I see that in testEnvironment an attempt is made to install it and after that the final action of the installModule is to do chdir $cwd
15:51 <+BartJol> the last thing sounds like: change directory to current working dir
15:52 <+BartJol> why is that after the installation attempt?
15:53 <+BartJol> mmm but that doesn't seem to be the cause
15:53 <+BartJol> cpan tries to install in /root/.cpan
16:16 <+BartJol> I see that in /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/5.8.8//CPAN/Config.pm cpan_home is indeed defined as /root/.cpan
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16:20 <+BartJol> but /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/5.8.8/ seems more correct
16:21 <+BartJol> ah perlmonkey2 I was looking for a perl guru
16:21 <+BartJol> goodmorning btw
16:23 <+perlmonkey2> goodafternoon BartJol
16:23 <+perlmonkey2> what's the word?
16:23 <+BartJol> I have some cpan trouble
16:23 <+perlmonkey2> and if you were looking for a perl guru, why would you be talking to me :P
16:23 <+perlmonkey2> what's up?  
16:23 <+BartJol> well, I think it's badly configures
16:23 <+BartJol> d
16:24 <+BartJol> BartJol: cpan tries to install in /root/.cpan
16:24 <+BartJol> BartJol: I see that in /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/5.8.8//CPAN/Config.pm cpan_home is indeed defined as /root/.cpan
16:24 <+perlmonkey2> cpan is old and about a gajillion band aids wrapped around each other.
16:24 <+BartJol> ah, it's like windows, the OS that shouldn't be mentioned
16:24 <+perlmonkey2> hmm, what are you trying to do, and what is the problem it is giving you?
16:24 <+perlmonkey2> heh
16:25 <+BartJol> well the make doesn't work out
16:25 <+BartJol> and that conf just doesn't seem right to me
16:25 <+perlmonkey2> for which module, and is it failing in the tests or build?
16:25 <+BartJol> Class:C3 and XML::FeedPP
16:25 <+perlmonkey2> you can rerun the configure to manually set it up.
16:26 <+BartJol> the writing Makefilr for module is not ok
16:26 <+perlmonkey2> ic.  can you pastebin the error?
16:27 <+perlmonkey2> I agree with you though, having a bad makefile is weird.
16:28 <+BartJol> http://webgui.pastebin.com/m7fe45b72
16:28 <+perlmonkey2> Just to humoUr me, you could go into the cpan shell and do a 'cpan o init' which will rerun the configuration.  Only takes a few seconds to go back through.
16:29 <+perlmonkey2> ah
16:29 <+perlmonkey2> in the paste you provided it looks like you need to install XML::TreePP.
16:29 <+perlmonkey2> oh, nevermind it followed tha.t
16:30 <+perlmonkey2> wow, that is bizarre 
16:30 <+BartJol> I followed everything like a dumb sheep
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16:31 <+BartJol> eeeh , what would the cpan o init have for effect?
16:32 <+BartJol> ah 
16:32 <+BartJol> I understand
16:32 <+perlmonkey2> just make sure your cpan config is set up correctly
16:32 <+perlmonkey2> you can try to manually build the XML::TreePP
16:33 <+perlmonkey2> go to your ~root/.cpan/build
16:33 <+perlmonkey2> then cd to XML::TreePP
16:33 <+BartJol> in my case it's /root which disturbes me
16:34 <+perlmonkey2> then perl Makefile.PL
16:34 <+perlmonkey2> ah
16:34 <+perlmonkey2> well, you should be running cpan as root since you are setting up systemwide libraries.
16:35 <+perlmonkey2> but remember, I'm not a perl guru, I'm a perl monkey.  big difference :P
16:35 <+BartJol> ok, I did the makefile stuff
16:35 <+BartJol> it seems to be ok
16:37 <+BartJol> sorry for being a bit of an ignorant cpan user, but what's next
16:37 <+perlmonkey2> okay, so that worke.d
16:37 <+perlmonkey2> okay, I skipped a step
16:38 <+perlmonkey2> you'll want to run 'make clean', then do the 'perl Makefile.pl'.
16:38 <+perlmonkey2> then just run 'make'.
16:38 <+perlmonkey2> which should start the library compile.
16:38 <+BartJol> mmm
16:38 <+perlmonkey2> and is probably where you will see the error.
16:38 <+BartJol> make: command not found
16:38 <+perlmonkey2> but this removes cpan from the equation.
16:38 <+perlmonkey2> ah
16:38 <+perlmonkey2> hmm.
16:39 <+BartJol> I ran . setenvironment
16:39 <+perlmonkey2> j/s let me see if the wre comes with make
16:39 <+perlmonkey2> nope
16:39 <+perlmonkey2> you'll need that installed on the syste.
16:39 <+BartJol> apt-get install make?
16:39 <+perlmonkey2> should work.
16:40 <+perlmonkey2> you might also need gcc
16:40 <+perlmonkey2> see if you have tha.t
16:41 <+BartJol> well, this is better
16:41 <+BartJol> host044:~/.cpan/build/XML-TreePP-0.37# make
16:41 <+BartJol> cp lib/XML/TreePP.pm blib/lib/XML/TreePP.pm
16:41 <+BartJol> Manifying blib/man3/XML::TreePP.3
16:42 <+perlmonkey2> ran the make and make install?
16:42 <+perlmonkey2> should probably put in a make test in there too :P
16:43 <+BartJol> all tests succesfull 10 tests skipped
16:43 <+perlmonkey2> sweet
16:43 <+perlmonkey2> probably just missing the testing libs, and its no big deal.
16:44 <+BartJol> but all the modules are normally installed somewhere in the /data/wre dir
16:44 <+BartJol> dir tree
16:45 <+BartJol> I didn't see that happen
16:46 <+BartJol> If it works it's nice, but when it's not in the right place, after a while it will become a mess
16:47 <+BartJol> but that is where my cpan conf steps in?
16:47 <+BartJol> well, have to do that again maybe
16:50 <+perlmonkey2> if you did all that with the /wre/sbin/setenvironment set, everything shoudl be in the correct place.
16:50 <+perlmonkey2> BartJol: 
16:51 <+BartJol> yes?
16:51 <+BartJol> ok
16:52 <+BartJol> it is complainig that XML::TreePP isn't found
16:53 <+BartJol> well, this will be stuff for later, I have to go to the bank to fix stuff for my house
16:53 <+BartJol> thanks for the help
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17:51 < trigger_trilogy> Hi. I want to download and install WebGUI to try it out. Architecture is i386 CentOS 5.2 is my OS. Would the wre-0.8.5-rhel-5-ia32.tar.gz file be the best one for me to download? I am downloading it from http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=51417&package_id=148913
17:52 < trigger_trilogy> I think I can handle the rest of the installation as the wiki is pretty straightforward.
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20:26 < wgGuest90> hi folks
20:27 < wgGuest90> I run fedora 10, but ran redhat up until the split between it and fedora.
20:28 < wgGuest90> My question is, will the redhat version of webgui work fine, install cleanly on fedora 10, or is there  a package just for fedora?
20:31 <+perlDreamer> I'm also a fedora user.  I've never run the WRE, I always do a source install
20:31 <+perlDreamer> You can get almost all the packages from fedora
20:31 <+perlDreamer> all that's missing is some perl modules
20:31 <+perlDreamer> of course, of the opposite side, I get