--- Log opened Mon Dec 01 00:00:11 2008
00:34 < CIA-41> WebGUI: jt * r8723 /experimental/wgfs/ (lib/Filesys/Virtual/WebGUI.pm t/filesys-virtual-webgui.t): 
00:34 < CIA-41> WebGUI: better stat() mode calculation
00:34 < CIA-41> WebGUI: bug fixes
00:34 < CIA-41> WebGUI: changed root to root_path and added root_path() method to be consistent with other Filesys::Virtual drivers
00:38  * SDuensin dreams of the day he can directly open templates with Coda.
00:38 <@rizen> will never happen
00:38 < SDuensin> Says you.  :-P
00:38  * rizen put an exclusion for Coda right in the driver
00:38 < SDuensin> See, that's the problem with open sores.  Any fool can edit it.
00:39 <@rizen> you assume you can read my unintelligible code
00:39 < SDuensin> Done it before.  :-P
00:41 < SDuensin> Is there a way to not use the quantity field in a product?
00:44 < BartJol> maybe there's a default value for it
00:45 < BartJol> maybe I've seen that
00:46 < SDuensin> But my products have no quantity available.  They're produced on-demand.
00:48 < BartJol> no, that it WebGUI think with that vaule, the supply is endless or on demand
00:51 <@rizen> SD you need to set it to 99999999
00:51 <@rizen> it requires a quantity
00:53 < BartJol> cd..
00:57 <@rizen> ahah!
00:57 <@rizen> or ah ha
00:57 <@rizen> or ah hah!
00:57 <@rizen> but not uh huh?
00:58 < BartJol> ? are you going insane? please do not
00:59 < BartJol> I had the wrong window
00:59  * SDuensin will set it and edit it out of the display template.
01:01 < BartJol> goodnight
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01:05 <@rizen> booyah grandma!
01:05 <@rizen> eureka
01:05 <@rizen> pay dirt
01:06 < SDuensin> Yes?
01:06 <@rizen> we have working webdav
01:07 <@rizen> i may just have to take the rest of my life off
01:07 < SDuensin> YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!
01:07 < SDuensin> If I had time, I'd drive up there and kiss you.
01:08 <@rizen> if you did, i'd smack you over the head with a hatchet
01:08 < CIA-41> WebGUI: yung * r8724 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.6.4-7.6.5.pl: fixing a Matrix v2 upgrade bug
01:08 < CIA-41> WebGUI: jt * r8725 /experimental/wgfs/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
01:08 < CIA-41> WebGUI: bug fixes
01:08 < CIA-41> WebGUI: we have working webdav - wahoo!!!
01:10 < SDuensin> So what's the DAV stuff do so far?
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01:14 <@rizen> oh, only everything
01:14 <@rizen> you can edit assets
01:14 <@rizen> if you download an asset that is not a subclass of WebGUI::Asset::File
01:14 <@rizen> then it gives you a json blob
01:15 < SDuensin> Blob me, baby./
01:15 <@rizen> if it's a binary file you can simply download and upload and it creates assets
01:16 < SDuensin> You may be my new hero.
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01:17 <@rizen> hardly, this is only step 1 of a lot of steps, before it's ready for any kind of real purpose
01:18 < SDuensin> Yea, but it's getting there.
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03:12 < CIA-41> WebGUI: jt * r8726 /experimental/wgfs/lib/Filesys/Virtual/WebGUI.pm: made the json blob pretty
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04:38 < CIA-41> WebGUI: patspam * r8727 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Merged yung-thingy-rfe
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06:27 < patspam> pluggable user profile looks really sweet
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06:54 <+perlDreamer> perlmonkey2!
06:54 <+perlDreamer> You're up late tonight
06:55 <+perlDreamer> well, at least your IRC client is
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08:59 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8728 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: remove some old merge leftovers
08:59 < CIA-41> WebGUI: patspam * r8729 /WebGUI/etc/log.conf.original: 
08:59 < CIA-41> WebGUI: Made log.conf.original comment consistent with what log4perl configuration
08:59 < CIA-41> WebGUI: actually does (WARNings are not captured).
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12:57 < CIA-41> WebGUI: yung * r8730 /WebGUI/ (7 files in 5 dirs): fixed UserList
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16:43 < SDuensin> Morning!
16:44 < BartJol> morning
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17:02 < Guest54306> Hey, I'm not sure if I did this question before but I don't still have any answer so I ask you anyway
17:02 < BartJol> ok
17:03 < Guest54306> Anyone has worked with perl (or WebGUI) and auth memcookie?
17:03 < BartJol> not me
17:03 < Guest54306> :(
17:03 < Guest54306> I really need this
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17:36  * SDuensin smacks preaction with anything other than a large trout
17:37  * rizen reminds SDuensin that preaction often wears the troutshield of protection, so he would have been immune to the trout had SDuensin used it
17:37 < SDuensin> See?  I out-thunk him!
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17:47 < SDuensin> Satan created CSS.
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18:02 < SDuensin> Did I dream there was a macro to display an image at an arbitrary size?  Or am I having a flashback to 5.x?
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18:12 <+perlDreamer> BartJol, welcome to PBWG
18:12 <+perlDreamer> Still weird seeing you with hair, though
18:12 < BartJol> thanks
18:13 < BartJol> well, I cut it yesterday
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18:16 < SDuensin> preaction lives!
18:17 <@preaction> explains to me why updating Safari requires a full restart of OS X?
18:17 < SDuensin> Yea!  I wanna know too!
18:17 <@preaction> also, SDuensin do you have an e-mail address?
18:17 < SDuensin> Or updating the frickin' RAW filters.
18:17 < SDuensin> Email?  What's that?
18:17 <@preaction> exactly
18:18 < SDuensin> Work addy:  scott@jaegertech.com
18:18 <@preaction> hm. that was the one i sent to. anyway
18:19 < SDuensin> Who was it from?  I'll whitelist the address.
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19:16 <+perlDreamer> SDuensin, can you please pastebin me some of the text that's causing the Product to error out?
19:16 < SDuensin> Sure.  I'll find exactly what killed it.  Gimmie a sec.
19:16 <+perlDreamer> I've tried pasting in stuff from OpenOffice, but no luck trying to recreate
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19:18 <@rizen> preaction: for the same reason IE requires the same thing...apple stupidly integrated the browser into the OS
19:18 <@preaction> but there's no way to reload just, for example, the window manager that is using those frameworks?
19:19 <@preaction> i mean, kernel-level reboot should be only necessary for kernel changes
19:19 < SDuensin> perlDreamer - http://webgui.pastebin.com/m436f596f - It's the quote after the 16 that kills it.
19:19 <+perlDreamer> cool!  Thanks.  Now I can try to get it down to a specific test, or an upgrade of JSON.pm in the core
19:20 <@rizen> preaction, but "it's just easier" to restart everything to to restart individual processes
19:20 <@rizen> =)
19:20 <@preaction> yeah, that's not a slippery slope or anything...
19:21 <@preaction> "it's just easier to not check if a file was successfully copied before we delete it"
19:21 < SDuensin> perlDreamer - YW
19:22 <@rizen> preaction: it's just easier to kill your enemies than it is to negotiate with them
19:22 < SDuensin> perlDreamer - FYI, it came from a DOC file that I loaded into TextEdit and pasted into FF.
19:25 < Lisette> how to do to redirect to other page from a payDriver?
19:29 <+perlDreamer> Lisette, look into WebGUI::Session::Http.pm
19:32 < Lisette> thanks
19:32 < Lisette> i'm going to see
19:33 <+perlDreamer> particularly, the ->redirect method
19:33 < Lisette> in any place there is an example?
19:34 <@preaction> there are lots of places, but there is also documentation
19:34 <@preaction> do a grep for "setRedirect"
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19:43 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8731 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
19:43 < CIA-41> WebGUI: Update POD for several methods.
19:43 < CIA-41> WebGUI: Make getObject clone data for safety and update tests.
19:43 < CIA-41> WebGUI: Make newObject always alter $address for consistency and update tests.
20:10 < Lisette> and with this setRedirect i can send params?
20:11 <@preaction> you can send a query string, yes. not POST params though
20:12 < Lisette> i need with method post
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20:31 <@preaction> why do the latest webgui has a "lastUpdated" field when there is already a revisionDate field?
20:31 < SDuensin> So you know when you last updated the latest revision?  :-P
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20:34 <@Haarg> sometimes there are updates without new revisions
20:37 < Bernd__> Hey everyone,
20:37 < Bernd__> how is business going?
20:38 <+perlDreamer> still hacking
20:39 < Bernd__> Surprise, surprise :-)
20:39 < Bernd__> Question: How can I post those "*" remarks to the chat?
20:40 < Bernd__> I have seen them very often and want to be able to post them, too.
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20:45 <@preaction> Bernd__: you mean "/me does something" ?
20:45  * preaction does something
20:45 <+perlDreamer> Bernd__: you say slash me
20:46 <+perlDreamer> preaction does a whole lot of things, really
20:46  * Bernd__ is having a cup of tea and enjoying the chat
20:46 <+perlDreamer> including teaching perlDreamer javascript
20:46 < Bernd__> Can I join the lesson?
20:46 < Bernd__> I very much like that Ajax stuff.
20:47 < Bernd__> Is that all implemented by using YUI
20:47 < Bernd__> ?
20:47 <@preaction> yes
20:47 < Bernd__> Difficult to learn?
20:47 <@preaction> not really
20:47 <@preaction> if you already know some JS it should be fine
20:47 < Bernd__> Hm, I just have too little time for all the interesting stuff in the world :-(
20:47 < Bernd__> Maybe I should start working as hard as rizen?
20:48 < Bernd__> preaction, not at all.
20:48 < Bernd__> I only know some Java.
20:48 < Bernd__> But I am out of practice.
20:48 < Bernd__> I think I am going to stay with pure HTML for the moment.
20:49 < Bernd__> Thanks for the hint with "slash me", btw.
20:49 <@preaction> best to think of javascript as having nothing to do with java, makes it easier to learn
20:51 <+perlDreamer> SDuensin, I can duplicate your bug.  And it's testable, too.  That is very good news.
21:09 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, I could use some utf8 help if you have a little time
21:09 <@Haarg> sure
21:09 <+perlDreamer> In the product, I used encode_json and decode_json
21:10 <+perlDreamer> and it they throw an error on "wide characters"
21:10 <@Haarg> yeah
21:10 <+perlDreamer> I can fix that bug by using to_json and from_json
21:10 <+perlDreamer> but will it still work with international, utf8 characters?
21:10 <@Haarg> yes
21:10 <@Haarg> i had that a bit confused for a while
21:10 <+perlDreamer> so, in general, we should not use encode_json and decode_json?
21:10 <@Haarg> basically, unless you are dealing with file i/o
21:11 <@Haarg> you should use to_ and from_
21:11 <+perlDreamer> cool
21:11 <@Haarg> and not use ->utf8
21:11 <+perlDreamer> has anyone looked through the codebase  for that?
21:11 <@Haarg> i've been meaning to
21:11 <@Haarg> there are some places that do need to use encode_
21:12 <@Haarg> the package system for example
21:12 <+perlDreamer> One thing I'm confused about is testing
21:12 <+perlDreamer> the code fails in apache, but not in the tests
21:13 <@Haarg> which tests?
21:13 <+perlDreamer> I jimmied up a test to throw in a wide character into a product collateral
21:13 <+perlDreamer> and it does not die
21:13 <+perlDreamer> Let me pastebin some code for you
21:14 <+perlDreamer> http://webgui.pastebin.com/d63c6bc65
21:15 <@Haarg> you sure it's actually a wide character?
21:15 <+perlDreamer> yes
21:15 <+perlDreamer> see the funny, backwards double quote next to 16?
21:15 <@Haarg> you can't inline characters like that without 'use utf8' or similar
21:16 <+perlDreamer> if you run the test, it does  print out as funny
21:16 <+perlDreamer> but I'll add the use utf8 line to the test to see what's up
21:16 <@Haarg> it's probably just getting the byte sequence, not the character
21:16 <@Haarg> i'd suggest using an escape code instead
21:17 <+perlDreamer> something like \x{dddd} ?
21:18 <@Haarg> yeah
21:18 <@Haarg> use utf8 will probably work, but an escape will make it more obvious what you are actually doing
21:18 <+perlDreamer> is there a lookup table someplace online for encodings?
21:19 <@Haarg> nothing i know of
21:20 <@Haarg> \x{201d}
21:21 <@Haarg> is the quote you have there
21:22 <+perlDreamer> yep, much better.  Test go boom
21:22 <+perlDreamer> How did you look that up?
21:23 <@Haarg> use utf8 + Data::Dumper
21:33 <+perlDreamer> SDuensin: it's fixed.  7.5.35 should be coming out this week.
21:33 < SDuensin> perlDreamer - Sweet.
21:37 <+perlDreamer> If you want it sooner, then you can pull it from svn
21:37 <+perlDreamer> for the 7.5 branch, it's 8732
21:37 < SDuensin> Na, not a problem.  I just used a regular quote and it's fine.
21:39 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8732 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fix wide character handling in Product JSON collateral
21:39 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8733 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): forward port Product JSON collateral wide character fix
21:39 < CIA-41> WebGUI: jt * r8734 /experimental/Automat/lib/ (Automat/Customer.pm WebGUI/Asset/Automat.pm): added an email all hosting customers option
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21:57 < carogray> hi all - Plain Black people - can you remind me what we tell people who are finally ready to direct their a records to the Plain Black server i.e. they want their demo site to now be live where do I find the info?
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22:06 < CIA-41> WebGUI: frank * r8735 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Inbox/Message.pm: Updated the POD for some of the new and changes methods to make their use more clear.
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23:01 <+MrHairgrease> haha
23:02 <+MrHairgrease> anybody read this: http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1046193&cid=25935403
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23:04 < SDuensin> Gotta love Perl.
23:05 <+MrHairgrease> ah crap: http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1046193&cid=25937375
23:05 <+MrHairgrease> still... gotta love perl
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23:36 <@preaction> http://duartes.org/gustavo/blog/post/what-your-computer-does-while-you-wait <- interesting little thing on performance
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00:20 < nuba> hey folks, this is totally offtopic, but here's me playing some ragtime-like guitar song last friday, at university, in a improvised gathering http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beKTgRUanp0
00:21 < nuba> its a passable rendition to a awesome song, Clap, by Steve Howe, in his first album with the Yes band, early 70s
00:30 <+perlDreamer> he can hack, pick and strum!
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00:39 <+perlDreamer> Could a nice PB staff-type person please move this into the RFE board?
00:39 <+perlDreamer> http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/9180
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00:48 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: done
00:49 <+perlDreamer> thanks.
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01:15 < CIA-41> WebGUI: jt * r8736 /branch/wrebuild_0.8: putting wre 0.8 into mothballs
01:15 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8737 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Post.pm): Make Posts respect the email privacy setting. Fixed in 7.6 branch only.
01:15 < CIA-41> WebGUI: jt * r8738 /wrebuild/ (5 files in 4 dirs): 
01:15 < CIA-41> WebGUI: removed WDK
01:15 < CIA-41> WebGUI: added --ia64 flag for custom processing on 64-bit systems
01:17 < SDuensin> Is there a limit to the number of products a shelf will display?  I'm only seeing a fraction of what I've entered.
01:20 < SDuensin> Seems it shows the last 25 products I entered and gives up the fight.
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02:09 < CIA-41> WebGUI: - Added the following components:
02:09 < CIA-41> WebGUI:  gnutils-2.6.2
02:09 < CIA-41> WebGUI:  libgcrypt-1.4.3
02:09 < CIA-41> WebGUI:  libgpg-error-1.7
02:09 < CIA-41> WebGUI:  libiconv-1.12
02:40 <+perlDreamer> SDuensin, check for pagination controls in the Shelf template
02:40 <+perlDreamer> 25 is the default pagination size, so it's suspicious
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04:01 < SDuensin> perlDreamer - Thanks.  Will do.
04:03 <+perlDreamer> SDuensin, the default shelf template does not have pagination controls.  That's definitely the problem.
04:14 <+perlDreamer> that's probably a bu
04:14 <+perlDreamer> g
04:17 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8740 /WebGUI/ (193 files in 16 dirs): 
04:17 < CIA-41> WebGUI: Adding tinymce language support for arabic, portugeuese,
04:17 < CIA-41> WebGUI: danish, french, russian, spanish, german, dutch, norway,
04:17 < CIA-41> WebGUI: hungarian and italian.
04:17 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8741 /WebGUI/www/extras/tinymce/jscripts/tiny_mce/ (16 files in 15 dirs): add polish language support to tinymce
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04:33 < SDuensin> perlDreamer - Well, I'm good at breaking things.  :-)
04:37 <+perlDreamer> well, that's also two shop related bugs in 1 day
04:38 <+perlDreamer> not too bad
04:38 < SDuensin> Is the pagination just a template change?  That one *is* a big deal for me.
04:38 <+perlDreamer> it is, but it's also a bug
04:39 <+perlDreamer> if you post it, I'll fix it
04:39 <+perlDreamer> actually, I'll probably have it fixed before you post it
04:39 <+perlDreamer> but it would be nice to have it documented.
04:39 < SDuensin> I'll post it real fast.
04:40 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8742 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (209 files in 16 dirs): backport language pack support for tinymce
04:41 < SDuensin> Posted.
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05:50 <+perlDreamer> You beat me
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05:58 < patspam> perlDreamer++ # implementing an RFE that was submitted for me while I was asleep, and finishing it before I woke up, that's fast
05:59 <+perlDreamer> well, we aim to please at perlDreamer Consulting
05:59 <+perlDreamer> it's out new psychic interface
06:00 < elnino> hello!  If I have an article who calls the ParentPageURL macro and I make a short cut of that article and put it on a page layout, who's ParentPageURL is it going to get?
06:00 < elnino> it appears to be going into a loop and getting confused.
06:00 < patspam> perlmonkey2: you still awake?
06:01 <@perlmonkey2> yo
06:01 <@perlmonkey2> patspam: 
06:01 < patspam> word
06:02 < patspam> I'm thinking plenty of people will want a simple "congrats, you finished the survey" on their survey exit page
06:02 <@perlmonkey2> an exit section or have the exit url got to a page with that message.
06:02 < patspam> was just musing that people could put survey_url?msg=my%20message%20goes%20here
06:03 < patspam> and get survey to print out msg form param if it exists
06:03 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8743 /WebGUI/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Add basic pagination support to the default Shelf template.
06:03 < patspam> would save people from having to create an article containing the message
06:05 <@perlmonkey2> seems like it might be easy enough to do
06:05 < patspam> ah, but you're right, an exit section is probably better
06:05 < patspam> hadn't thought of that
06:06 < patspam> I was thinking about it in the context of exitUrl for survey timeouts, since we probably need to tell the user what has happened
06:07 < patspam> in my case I want to force users to restart the survey with a message telling them that they timed out
06:07 <@perlmonkey2> yeah, I wondered what else it should do.
06:08 <@perlmonkey2> So I guess I should break out the check of if the survey has ended to return different codes + messages.
06:08 <+perlDreamer> elnino, could you set up a demo site (with standard credential) and post the link back here please?
06:09 < patspam> yeah, and we could offer a drop-down of what to do on timeout: go to exitUrl, restart, etc..
06:09 <+perlDreamer> if it's a bug, post it as a bug then I can use that as a test bed for fixing it.
06:12 <@perlmonkey2> patspam: just make it a asset setting?
06:12 < patspam> yeah
06:12 <+perlDreamer> DataForm has an acknowledgement template and message
06:13 < elnino> perlDreamer. hmm. I guess ParentPageURL is a user contrib. I guess I can't really expect you to fix it even if I do find a problem. It's more complex, I'm calling parentPageURL from a macro I created from a shortcut on a page layout....  So maybe I should ask if there is a way to do what I want to do..=)
06:13 < elnino> *All* I want to do is. Grab the last part of the url:   /url/path/to/this..  I want just "this"
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06:15 <@perlmonkey2> patspam: you'll have to forgive me, i'm not really with it today.  I was attacked by a tree Yesterday and the tree won.
06:15 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: how do you not spend all your time here: http://www.sparkfun.com
06:16 < elnino> keeping in mind that it's called from an article that has been shortcutted and placed on a pagelayout. And I'm looking for the last part of the pagelayout's url.
06:16 < patspam> pm2: damn trees! do you have scars that tell the tale?
06:18 <@perlmonkey2> patspam: heh, no, just a nice red line across my face.
06:19 < patspam> ouch. how did you manage that?
06:21 <@perlmonkey2> was driving a truck out around a lake.  I backed into a tree, heard some squeeking and turned to look just as a branch flipped free of the truck by swinging through the window and into my face.  Was quite comical after I realized I hadn't been blinded.
06:27  * perlDreamer is a dedicated Make blog reader, perlmonkey2
06:28 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: yeah, I ordered the ardrino starter book today.
06:28 <@perlmonkey2> should be fun stuff.
06:28 <@perlmonkey2> I used the OOPic for my last UAV.  
06:28 <@perlmonkey2> but it was fairly limited
06:28 <+perlDreamer> I built two PICs at Maxim
06:28 <+perlDreamer> snif
06:29  * perlDreamer grieves quietly but bravely
06:29 <@perlmonkey2> yeah, but when you say you "built a PIC", you don't mean you soldered some IC's to some transistors, do you?
06:29 <+perlDreamer> No, I mean from the ground up.
06:30 <+perlDreamer> We started with the instruction set
06:30 <+perlDreamer> and ended up with a PIC
06:30 <+perlDreamer> built the ALU, RAM, ROM, EEPROM
06:30 <@perlmonkey2> nice
06:30 <+perlDreamer> two digital interfaces (1-wire and SPI)
06:30 <@perlmonkey2> 1-wire++
06:30 <@perlmonkey2> don't know what SPI is.
06:30 <+perlDreamer> I even hacked the gnupic tools to do our compiling for us
06:31 <@perlmonkey2> heh, cool
06:31 <+perlDreamer> SPI is also called I2C?
06:31 <@perlmonkey2> oh, okay
06:31 <@perlmonkey2> making specialized controllers?
06:31 <+perlDreamer> yes
06:31 <@perlmonkey2> industrial stuff?
06:31 <+perlDreamer> no, smaller projects
06:32 <@perlmonkey2> When my buddy got out of EE, he started a consulting business doing what he had done at work, and then did software on the side, and then sold his software business for millions.
06:32 <@perlmonkey2> Not that you should do that, as I think everyone is happy you are doing software as your main business :)
06:33 <+perlDreamer> brb
06:44 <@perlmonkey2> patspam: shoot me an email on if you like the url encoded exit message or having a way to set messages for different exit scenarios.
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06:52 <+perlDreamer> No, I'm confused again.  SMB == I2C.  SPI is a 3-wire interface
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07:17 <+perlDreamer> elnino, please try ^PageUrl(); and see what it gives you.
07:18 < elnino> Thanks. I actually figured it out,I ended up writing my own macro that took the env(path_info) and striped everything except what i wanted. 
07:19 < elnino> although env seems buggy, at least it doesn't return what I think it should return. I'll write a bug for that.
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07:27 <+perlDreamer> Session/Env doesn't do much with the environment hash.   It might be more of an Apache thing.
07:28 < elnino> yep.  I got the idea from the loginbox macro - it's the only place I saw i used. It picks up HTTP header variables.
07:29 <+perlDreamer> I'm glad you found a solution
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15:21 < Lisette> how to get the address in a payDriver?
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15:32 < Lisette> how to get the address in a payDriver?
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15:52 < SDuensin> Morning.
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16:44 <@perlmonkey2> when dealing with non-utf8 chars, would you use to_json or encode_json?  encode has the implied utf8=>1 flag.
16:44 <@perlmonkey2> and why do people still leave their system settings to a locale, instead of universal utf8?  
16:45 < SDuensin> People leave it where it defaulted during the install.
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17:57 <@perlmonkey2> Haarg: when do you build the beta release?
17:57 <@perlmonkey2> Trying to see how much time I have to resolve the utf8 issue.
17:57 <@Haarg> which utf8 issue?
17:57 <@Haarg> probably early afternoon?
17:58 <@Haarg> ... that was supposed to be a statement not a question
17:58 <@perlmonkey2> survey on beta isn't working.  Think it is the to_json vs the encode_json issue.
17:58 <@Haarg> ah
17:58 <@Haarg> for survey, use to_ and from_ everywhere, or don't use ->utf8 if doing oo
18:00 <@perlmonkey2> it uses encode/decode
18:00 <@perlmonkey2> which convert to utf8
18:00 <@perlmonkey2> but with wide non-utf8 encodings, they break.
18:01 <@perlmonkey2> or at least wide points which don't fit into utf8.  Of which I believe there are only a few edge cases which don't.
18:01 <@perlmonkey2> The windows backticks I believe don't fit.
18:01 <@perlmonkey2> and commas
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18:05 <@Haarg> you don't want to use encode_ and decode_
18:06 <@perlmonkey2> yeah, we'd hate to assume utf8.
18:06 <@Haarg> it's not that simple
18:06 <@Haarg> we do assume utf8
18:06 <@Haarg> but that is handled elsewhere
18:06 <@Haarg> actually, wait
18:07 <@Haarg> are you dealing with writing or reading files?
18:07 <@Haarg> that gets a bit trickier
18:07 <@perlmonkey2> nope
18:07 <@perlmonkey2> just encoding and decoding user entered text
18:07 <@Haarg> basically, everything going out or in from apache is utf8
18:07 <@Haarg> but you don't have to care
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18:07 <@Haarg> same for the database
18:08 <@Haarg> in the perl code, you just always treat it as character strings
18:08 <@perlmonkey2> yeah, but anything that doesn't fit into the utf8 space is just left as a bad wide char.
18:08 <@Haarg> which is what to_json/from_json do
18:08 <@Haarg> if you use encode_json, it tries to encode the characters into utf8
18:08 <@perlmonkey2> so if you have a multi-byte with the first byte not having the correct byte count, you have a bad space that is just quietly passed along.
18:08 <@Haarg> but that is already done by the db layer
18:09 <@perlmonkey2> Haarg: right, and it is strict in its encoding.
18:09 <@Haarg> so it causes problems
18:09 <@perlmonkey2> no silent failures.
18:09 <@Haarg> but you don't want to encode at all
18:09 <@Haarg> because that is done elsewhere
18:10 < CIA-41> WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8748 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/ (Survey/SurveyJSON.pm Survey/ResponseJSON.pm Survey.pm): Minor fix. JSON no longer assumes proper utf8, but uses whatever off-brand locale a luser wants to use.
18:10 <@perlmonkey2> hmm, but if we take their windows encoded (or whatever) and just assume utf8, then when we show it back to them, the page encoding will be labeled utf8, but their browser will see non-utf8 wide encodings that don't fit and give them the bad wide char char.
18:10 <@Haarg> it doesn't come in as the windows encoding
18:10 <@Haarg> it comes in as utf8
18:11 <@Haarg> non-utf8 wide characters doesn't make much sense anyway
18:11 <@perlmonkey2> let me try that on the beta server and see what happens.
18:11 <@Haarg> wide characters are always going to be utf-8 or utf-16 or something like that
18:12 <@Haarg> the windows encoding (or whatever other encoding like that) are all single-byte
18:12 <@perlmonkey2> http://beta.webgui.org/demo1228147391_379/home/untitled?func=editSurvey why does that work but we get utf8 errors when you try to take the survey?  maybe a yui widget is failing.
18:13 <@Haarg> isn't that using encode_json/decode_json?
18:13 <@perlmonkey2> yes.  I only just now changed it.
18:13 <@perlmonkey2> not on beta though.
18:15 <@Haarg> using encode_json/decode_json is the problem
18:16 <@perlmonkey2> I need a non utf8 encoded point that does't fit into the utf8 space to test this.
18:17 <@Haarg> i don't know of any characters like that
18:17 <@Haarg> that's the whole point of unicode
18:17 <@Haarg> that it has all of the characters
18:19 <@perlmonkey2> yes, but there are some significant bit code points in say Western that don't translate to utf8.  Their byte claims to be a multibyte char in utf8, but they aren't.
18:20 <@Haarg> i don't really understand what you mean
18:20 <@Haarg> the characters in western all exist in utf8
18:20 <@Haarg> because utf8 is just an encoding scheme for unicode
18:21 <@Haarg> it doesn't really matter what the encodings are in western, because the browser sends them in utf8
18:22 <@Haarg> and if the browser didn't send them in utf8 we wouldn't be able to deal with them anyway
18:24 <@perlmonkey2> I just used an Eastern (don't know which ISO) and cut and pasted into the demo survey.     	 	 	 	 	 	   I can't belive it.   was cut off at "I can" as the ' was probably a 11 byte, but the next byte also had a significant bit
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18:26 <@Haarg> are you seeing any cases that are broken now that you've changed it to to_json/from_json?
18:28 <@perlmonkey2> Haarg: yes
18:28 <@perlmonkey2> when I send the eastern encoded string, it is not sent back correctly to the editor.  But it is stored and sent back to the presentation correctly.
18:29 <@perlmonkey2> and how would the high bit Western encodings fit into UTF8?  And western point that starts with 1, would be a bad wide char.
18:29 <@perlmonkey2> Well, not a western point, but a western byte.
18:29 <@Haarg> again, everything comes in as utf8
18:30 <@perlmonkey2> then why would encode and decode break? 
18:30 <@Haarg> because the database already does encoding
18:31 <@Haarg> so you are double encoding stuff
18:32 <@perlmonkey2> how would the database know which encoding was coming in?  Wouldn't it just assume utf8 is being passed in?  
18:33 <@Haarg> ok
18:33 <@Haarg> browser has characters
18:33 <@perlmonkey2> yeah, are those bytes or points?
18:33 <@Haarg> it encodes them to utf8 to send
18:33 <@Haarg> doesn't matter
18:33 <@Haarg> characters
18:34 <@Haarg> apache gets the utf8 strings, gives them to webgui
18:34 <@perlmonkey2> well my Latvian    	 	 	 	 	 	   I can't belive it.  didn't get encoded correctly
18:34 <@Haarg> webgui (WebGUI::Session::Form) decodes the utf8 to characters
18:34 <@Haarg> inside webgui everything treats them as characters
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18:35 <@Haarg> when you save to the database, it send encodes them to utf8 for storage
18:35 <@Haarg> and decodes them back to characters when it pulls them out
18:36 <@Haarg> in webgui (excepting i/o), we always should just be treating them as character strings
18:36 <@Haarg> i may see the problem though
18:37 <@perlmonkey2> I'm thinking the to/from fixed the issue.  Looks like a template error.
18:37 <@perlmonkey2> the template value isn't surrounded with quotes.
19:10 < Lisette> how to do to get the address in a payDriver?
19:29 <@rizen> opinion: I'm working on WRE 1.0
19:29 <@rizen> opinion needed, that is
19:29 <@rizen> and i'm thinking about upgrading MySQL
19:29 <@rizen> 5.1 came out
19:30 <@perlmonkey2> 5.1?
19:30 <@rizen> and it has a lot of bug fixes
19:30 < SDuensin> Bleeding edge, baby.  I can take it.
19:30 <@perlmonkey2> I just read a short review that said it should probably still be called beta.
19:30 <@rizen> stuff that isn't ever going to get patched in to 5.0
19:30 <@rizen> cuz they appear to have end of lifed 5.0
19:30 <@rizen> i read the monty blog post too
19:30 <@rizen> and he's clearly conflicted
19:31 <@rizen> he said that the new features are clearly beta
19:31 <@rizen> but also that there's lots of bugs fixed in 5.1 that aren't going to be fixed in 5.0
19:31 <@rizen> including several fairly major crash bugs
19:31 <@rizen> so...could i hear your thoughts and opinions, so i can roll them around in my head for a little while
19:32 <@perlmonkey2> just as long as the business logic layer doesn't creep into triggers and stored procs, its all good.
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19:42 <@perlmonkey2> Doesn't look like any of the listed bugs are show stoppers
19:42 <@perlmonkey2> Although it would be nice if transactions every became something stable enough to be usable.
19:45 <@rizen> thanks for the opinion...anybody else have a thought? cap10morgan preaction Haarg khenn_ anybody?
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19:46 <@preaction> i would say provided there are no regressions with 5.1, go for it
19:46 <@khenn> I agree with preaction
19:46  * SDuensin likes new software.
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19:48 <+cap10morgan> rizen: i assume you won't have webgui magically start using 5.1-only features when it's running in wre 1.0, so it seems like a good idea to me
19:49 <@Haarg> since the bugs seem to mainly be in the new features (which we aren't using) upgrading seems fine
19:49 <@rizen> nope, we won't be using any 5.1 features
19:49 <@rizen>  because the API backward compatibility guarantee applies through-out the 7.x series
19:49 <@rizen> MySQL 5.0 is the base
19:50 <@rizen> as is Apache 2.0 and Perl 5.8
19:50 <@rizen> So even though we're upgrading to Apache 2.2 and Perl 5.10 in the new WRE, we won't be able to make use of any of those new features either
19:50 <@rizen> only the performance enhancements and bug fixes
19:50 <@rizen> ok, so it sounds like everybody is for moving to 5.1, so I'll add that
19:51 <@rizen> cap10morgan: as promised, WRE 1.0's primary new feature is going to be 64-bit support
19:51 <+cap10morgan> oh, nice!
19:51 < SDuensin> MORE BITS!  Whoo!
19:52 <+cap10morgan> now that i know more about the ins and outs, that's mainly nice for the mysql component. but that's pretty important.
19:53 <+cap10morgan> but the pre-fork apache processes could already use more than 4GB of RAM amongst themselves since each one gets its own address space, as you explained to me before. so that relieves most of the pressure on our end.
19:55 <@rizen> well it's nice for more than memory. theoretically native 64-bit calculations should be faster due to higher through-put
19:55 <@rizen> so that affects apache, perl, mysql, etc
19:56 <+cap10morgan> cool
19:56 <@perlmonkey2> rizen: you finally got it compiled on 64 bit?  swa-eet.
19:57 <@rizen> no
19:57 <@rizen> that's just what i'm working on for wre 1.0
19:57 <@perlmonkey2> oh, may the 64 bit gods smile upon your endevors then.
19:59 <@rizen> i've gotten tips from mrhairgrease, koen, and knowmad, so hopefully i can now make it work
19:59 <@rizen> plus i'm upgrading to the latest versions of everything, so hopefully that helps as well
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20:01 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, are you releasing today?
20:01 <@Haarg> yes
20:05 <+perlDreamer> cool.  I'll be watching for your release notice then to stop committing to the 7.5 branch.
20:06 <+perlDreamer> meantime, could someone please move this into the RFE category: http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/9023
20:06 <+perlDreamer> the cart template never had a page title
20:18 <@Haarg> today is 7.6 release
20:19 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: is that really an RFE?  
20:19 <+perlDreamer> I think so, but I could be convinced otherwise
20:19 <+perlDreamer> Should the view cart page have a title?
20:21 <@perlmonkey2> good question
20:22 <+perlDreamer> To me, that's what it boils down to.
20:22 <+perlDreamer> shop comes before Asset in the content handler, so I was thinking (but didn't check) that the session asset would not exist yet
20:22 <+perlDreamer> that would rule it out
20:22 <+perlDreamer> I guess we could put a static title in it
20:22 <+perlDreamer> View Cart
20:23 <+perlDreamer> but the bug mentioned wanting to be able to change it, which sounds like user config
20:23 <+perlDreamer> the user config is out of scope for the Shop right now
20:24 <@perlmonkey2> I can find no flaws in that 
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20:26 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: done
20:26 <+perlDreamer> thanks, man.
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20:42 < ckotil> RFE: include DENY in the subject for denied version tags.
20:42 < ckotil> thoughts?
20:43 < ckotil> hell include APPROVED for approved version tags as well
20:43 < ckotil> bc right now its not apparent just by looking at the subject wheather or not a tag was approved/denied
20:43 <+perlDreamer> I like it, ckotil
20:48 <@perlmonkey2> I like it too
20:48 < ckotil> cool, i just about have the RFE written up and submitted
20:48 < ckotil> I think we will just need to modify the Notify about version tag Workflow Activity
20:52 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, rev 8081 actually fixes a bug in 7.5
20:53 <+perlDreamer> is it safe to back port it to 7.5?
20:53 <+perlDreamer> https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/revision/?rev=8081
20:53 < ckotil> http://www.plainblack.com/rfe/request-for-enhancement/9209
20:57 <+perlDreamer> I thought about doing just the Calendar part, but the CS, Gallery, and Wiki are also affected.  So we'd be heading off bugs by doing it that way.
21:18 <@Haarg> there have been a couple bugs introduced by that change
21:18 <@Haarg> so i'd prefer not backporting it
21:18 <@Haarg> what is the 7.5 bug?
21:22 <+perlDreamer> when you copy a calendar, it creates version tags for each child event
21:22 <@Haarg> ah
21:23 <+perlDreamer> most likely because getParent returns nothing useful
21:23 <+perlDreamer> actually, I can work with that
21:23 <+perlDreamer> if getParent isn't defined, I'll have it return undef
21:23 <+perlDreamer> inside of getAutoCommitWorkflow inside Event.pm
21:24 <+perlDreamer> actually, what kind of bugs are you seeing in 7.6 related to that?
21:24 <@Haarg> they were fixed, but there was an issue with the email -> CS workflow
21:25 <+perlDreamer> hm
21:25 <@Haarg> i don't know of any related bugs that still exist
21:25 <+perlDreamer> maybe I should just do the Calendar/Event fix then
21:26 <@Haarg> but given how large of a change it is and that there have been bugs with it already i'm just not certain about backporting it
21:26 <+perlDreamer> I'll see if I can find a different/better solution then
21:28  * perlDreamer bows to Haarg's experience and wisdom
21:30 <@Haarg> it looks like i used a different solution for how to keep recurring events in the correct tag for 7.5 vs 7.6
21:30 <@Haarg> don't remember why
21:31 <+perlDreamer> well, if getAutoCommitWorkflow return undef, it uses VersionTag->getWorking, which seems to be the right solution to me
21:31 <+perlDreamer> that's what I'm going to try and emulate in 7.5
21:32 <+perlDreamer> Also, before you commit, would you please see if you can duplicate my RTE bug for 7.5?
21:32 <+perlDreamer> it's really strange
21:32 <+perlDreamer> in that there's been no changes to that code, but it stopped working
21:32 <+perlDreamer> I'm hoping it's just my browser version
21:33 <@Haarg> you have a link?
21:33 <+perlDreamer> http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/9170
21:34 <@Haarg> i think i know the problem
21:34 <+perlDreamer> my error console says (method || 'p').toLowerCase is not a method
21:35 <+perlDreamer> or something very similar
21:35 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8751 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fix badge viewing issue in the EMS
21:35 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8752 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): forward porting ems badge viewing permission fix
21:36 <@Haarg> i should probably report the bug in tinymce for that one
21:36 <@Haarg> fix committed
21:38 <+perlDreamer> does that fix also prevent the RTE from wrapping everything in paragraph tags?
21:39 <@Haarg> kind of
21:40 <@Haarg> it wraps in paragraph tags unless you set the option to use br tags
21:40 <+perlDreamer> well, then I think you may have fixed two bugs...
21:41 <@Haarg> well, the bug fix for that broke it
21:41 <@Haarg> so now the brokenness is fixed
21:41 <+perlDreamer> http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/9130
21:41 <+perlDreamer> I'll close my bug, and then test the other one to see if it's fixed, too.
21:42 <+perlDreamer> and the fix, it codes around a bug in tinymce by not sending the option at all, versus sending JSON::true?
21:42 <@Haarg> sorry for not posting something on that bug
21:42 <+perlDreamer> it's okay, I know you're busy
21:42 <@Haarg> yeah
21:42 <@Haarg> i was told about the bug through different channels, and didn't know it was posted as a bug until later
21:57 <@Haarg> heh, i didn't document it because the bug was introduced in the same version
22:00 <+perlDreamer> I'm not sure I followed that Haarg.
22:00 <@Haarg> that bug was never in a released version
22:00 <@Haarg> doesn't really matter though
22:01 <+perlDreamer> and it brings us one closer to < 3 pages of bugs
22:02 <+perlDreamer> it also didn't fix the other RTE bug that I mentioned.  But I'll try to close down the Calendar version tag bug first and then try it
22:02 <+perlDreamer> I've been shying away from Bazaar and Helpdesk bugs
22:02 <+perlDreamer> there are really only a handful of core WebGUI bugs posted
22:06 < CIA-41> WebGUI: graham * r8753 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/Asset/RichEdit.pm: fix rich editor
22:06 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8754 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: document RTE bug fix (useBr workaround)
22:06 < CIA-41> WebGUI: jt * r8755 /wrebuild/ (build.sh wre/docs/changelog.txt): (log message trimmed)
22:06 < CIA-41> WebGUI: - Upgraded the following components to these new versions:
22:06 < CIA-41> WebGUI:  aspell6-en-6.0-0
22:06 < CIA-41> WebGUI:  aspell-0.60.6
22:07 < CIA-41> WebGUI:  awstats-6.8
22:07 < CIA-41> WebGUI:  expat-2.0.1
22:07 < CIA-41> WebGUI:  ImageMagick-6.4.6-8
22:08 <@Haarg> was this fix put into 7.5? http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/9155
22:08 <+perlDreamer> No.
22:08 <@Haarg> ok
22:08 <+perlDreamer> rizen thought it was too radical for 7.5 at this point
22:08 <@Haarg> the changelog entry was added for it
22:09 <+perlDreamer> it was?
22:09 <+perlDreamer> I'll fix that
22:09 <+perlDreamer> I originally developed it in 7.5, then had to port it over to 7.5
22:09 <+perlDreamer> 7.6
22:09 < nuba> perlbot: paste
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22:09 <+perlDreamer> I must not have cleaned it up
22:10 <@rizen> what is too radical?
22:10 <+perlDreamer> the headblock/extra head tags change
22:10 <@rizen> it should have only been put into 7.6
22:10 <+perlDreamer> it was
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22:11 <@rizen> ok, then what's the problem?
22:11 <+perlDreamer> I forgot to remove the changelog notice
22:11 <+perlDreamer> (from 7.5)
22:11 <@rizen> ok
22:11 <@rizen> so no problem
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22:11 <+perlDreamer> Ever since you got me canned, I've been very careful to do _exactly_ what you say.
22:12 <+perlDreamer> except for that jalapeno juice cure for colds
22:13 < nuba> hah
22:13 < nuba> nasty
22:16  * perlDreamer goes to the gym
22:16 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, I have no pending/halfway commits, so please don't hold the release for me
22:17 <@Haarg> ok
22:24 <@Haarg> perlDreamer, did you end up doing anything with that calendar copy problem?
22:36 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8756 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: undocument bug that is not fixed in this version
22:36 < CIA-41> WebGUI: jt * r8757 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Storage.pm): - security: A problem was discovered and fixed in which users could email executable attachments to a collaboration system and then when viewed online, could execute them.
22:36 < CIA-41> WebGUI: graham * r8758 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (lib/WebGUI/Form/Textarea.pm t/Form/Textarea.t): 
22:36 < CIA-41> WebGUI: use proper method of formatting text for display in Textarea form
22:36 < CIA-41> WebGUI: control
22:36 < CIA-41> WebGUI: jt * r8759 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Storage.pm): 
22:36 < CIA-41> WebGUI: - security: A problem was discovered and fixed in which users could email
22:36 < CIA-41> WebGUI: executable attachments to a collaboration system and then when viewed online,
22:36 < CIA-41> WebGUI: could execute them. We recommend immediate upgrade for all 7.x users.
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00:35 <+snapcount> anybody see a problem with changing line 439 of WSClient.pm from if (!$@) { to if (!$@ && defined $aref) {
00:35 <+snapcount> I'm not sure what the process is for submitting patches these days so I figured I'd start here
00:36 <+snapcount> I was getting an error when I used the WSClient and that fixes it
00:36 <+snapcount> DEBUG - www.hdpublishinggroup.com.conf - WebGUI::Macro::process[142] - Stack trace for ERROR Can't use an undefined value as an ARRAY reference at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/WSClient.pm line 440.
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00:59 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, no changes to calendar yet.  My return undef if !$parent fix did not work.
01:00 <@Haarg> i'm not really sure how the changes i made in 7.6 dealt with the issue
01:00 <+perlDreamer> it's gotta be in there somewhere
01:00 <@Haarg> the problem i saw right off when looking at it
01:00 <@Haarg> is the duplicate method on the calendar
01:00 <@Haarg> it doesn't use skipAutoCommit
01:00 <@Haarg> on its addChild calls
01:01 <@Haarg> also, it probably needs to override duplicateBranch
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01:02 <@Haarg> since it is already doing that behavior
01:02 <+perlDreamer> yeah, I noticed that, too
01:02 <+perlDreamer> the copy icon in the asset toolbar now has a dropdown if you have children
01:02 <+perlDreamer> allowing you to copy only the asset, or the asset and children, or asset and descendants
01:03 <+perlDreamer> and since calendar always copies children, copy only asset does not work
01:03 <@Haarg> yeah
01:03 <+perlDreamer> but I don't know why preaction did that in the first place, so I was hesitant to do anything with that
01:03 <@Haarg> it may just be best to remove the extra handling calendar has
01:04 <+perlDreamer> except the skipAutoCommit you mentioned?
01:04 <@Haarg> no, the default duplicateBranch includes that
01:04 <+perlDreamer> okay, now I'm officially confused
01:04 <+perlDreamer> in the 7.6 branch, Calendar's duplicate does not do skip auto commit
01:05 <@Haarg> yeah, i don't know why it works in 7.6
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01:18 <+perlDreamer> I'll start by tracing it in 7.5, and then comparing against 7.6
01:18 <+perlDreamer> There has to be a good reason for it
01:19 <+perlDreamer> Your unconscious programming skills are quite envious, Haarg :)
01:20 <@Haarg> it's probably the hasBeenCommitted check
01:20 <@Haarg> the newly created parent hasn't been committed
01:20 <@Haarg> so it doesn't get an auto commit workflow
01:24 < CIA-41> WebGUI: jt * r8760 /experimental/Automat/lib/Automat/Site.pm: redundant line
01:24 <+perlDreamer> that would make sense
01:24 <+perlDreamer> but don't we _want_ it to auto commit?
01:25 <+perlDreamer> the problem is that it's going through a manual commit
01:25 <+perlDreamer> or do I have it backwards?
01:26 <@Haarg> we don't want it to autocommit
01:26 <@Haarg> because for copy, the commit process is handled elsewhere
01:26 <+perlDreamer> so, if I backport just hasBeenCommitted and use that, it would fix it
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01:27 <@Haarg> maybe, but i think fixing duplicate would be better
01:27 <@Haarg> fixing/eliminating
01:27 <+perlDreamer> okay, then let me play it all back
01:27 <+perlDreamer> well, there's a problem with that, too
01:28 <+perlDreamer> if we eliminate duplicate, then in the Asset Manager when you copy a calendar, it won't copy all the events like it does now
01:28 <+perlDreamer> I'm cool with that, as long as y'all are okay with the new behavior
01:29 <@Haarg> for now keeping the existing behaviour is probably better
01:30 <+perlDreamer> so in 7.5, I'll just add the skipAutoCommit
01:30 <+perlDreamer> and in 7.6...?
01:30 <+perlDreamer> nuke dupe?
01:30 <@Haarg> that seems ok
01:31 <@Haarg> also, i think calendar (7.5) should have a duplicateBranch method
01:32 <+perlDreamer> what does it need to override in the one from AssetVersioning?
01:32 <+perlDreamer> uh, AssetBranch
01:32 <@Haarg> the one is AssetBranch duplicates children
01:32 <@Haarg> since duplicate already will be doing that
01:32 <@Haarg> duplicateBranch should not
01:33 <+perlDreamer> That seems backwards to me.
01:33 <@preaction> I HATE THE CALENDAR
01:33 <@preaction> i just thought i should mention
01:33 <@Haarg> how so?
01:34 <@Haarg> in 7.6, we're eliminating duplicate, so it isn't an issue anymore
01:34 <+perlDreamer> In a perfect world, duplicate branch would copy children, and duplicate would only duplicate the calendar.
01:34 <@Haarg> which is what we want to do in 7.6
01:34 <+perlDreamer> exactly
01:34 <+perlDreamer> but didn't you just say that in 7.5, duplicate branch should _not_ duplicate events?
01:35 <@Haarg> no
01:35 <+perlDreamer> (03:31:59 PM) Haarg: duplicateBranch should not
01:35 <+perlDreamer> I'm probably taking that out of context
01:35 <@Haarg> in 7.5, Calendar::duplicateBranch should not duplicate children itself
01:35 <@Haarg> it should just let duplicate copy the children
01:35 <+perlDreamer> I see
01:36 <+perlDreamer> that makes more sense
01:36 <+perlDreamer> thanks for straightening me out
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01:42 <+perlDreamer> is it safe to commit, Haarg?
01:42 <@Haarg> yes
01:43 <@Haarg> i'm working on test failures
01:46 <+perlDreamer> we haven't had any automated smoke tests in two days.
01:46 <+perlDreamer> do you want some help with the tests?
01:47 <@preaction> it's been more than two days
01:47 <@preaction> the SVN version is broken for some unknown reason
01:47 <+perlDreamer> yeah, but the stable branch was working up until the 30th of November
01:48 <@preaction> now that's not working either? god...
01:48 <+perlDreamer> testing has high costs in maintenance
01:49 <@Haarg> i think i have the tests basically dealt with
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01:50 <@rizen> perlDreamer, do you have 7.6 checked out?
01:51 <+perlDreamer> I have an up to date copy from SVN.  Is that what you mean?
01:51 <@rizen> yeah
01:51 <@rizen> go to the admin console
01:51 <+perlDreamer> let me switch over to 7.6 form 7.5
01:51 <@rizen> is it hosed for you?
01:53 <+perlDreamer> Admin console in the admin bar is okay
01:53 <+perlDreamer> admin console from an operation, however, looks messed up
01:53 <+perlDreamer> I'm missing the admin bbar
01:55 <+perlDreamer> but from other places it looks fine, like from User
01:56 <+perlDreamer> groups is okay
01:57 <+perlDreamer> so offhand I'd say it's just the AssetManager and admin console/admin bar together
02:04 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, Calendar buttoned up in both branches.
02:04 <+perlDreamer> phew
02:07 <+perlDreamer> rizen, do you have more 7.6 questions?
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02:19 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8762 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 
02:19 < CIA-41> WebGUI: Fix Calendar copy behavior. By default, duplicate will only copy
02:19 < CIA-41> WebGUI: the Calendar. duplicateBranch must be called to copy it _and_ its
02:19 < CIA-41> WebGUI: children.
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02:30 <@rizen> sorry pd, had to take care of some stuff quick
02:31 <@rizen> for me, the admin console wrapper is fubarred everywhere
02:31 <@rizen> almost like the css is missing
02:31 <@rizen> actually, it's a js error:
02:31 <@rizen> Can't find variable: initAdminConsole
02:32 <+perlDreamer> let me double check that I'm up to date
02:32 <+perlDreamer> yep, fully up at 8762
02:34 <+perlDreamer> rizen, I'm about 10 minutes away from a bugfix for Tavis.  Let me wrap it up and I'll help look at the adminConsole.
02:35 <@rizen> you don' t need to i was just trying to see if it's a local thing or not
02:35 <@rizen> if you're not seeing the problem, then it must be on my box
02:38 <+perlDreamer> which workflow should collateral uploaded through the RTE image manager use
02:38 <+perlDreamer> should it be autocommitted?
02:38 <@Haarg> should be the same as anywhere else i would think
02:40 <@Haarg> i'm doing the 7.6.5 release right now btw
02:40 <+perlDreamer> I'm working in 7.5, I'll hold off forward porting 'til you're clear
02:40 <+perlDreamer> right now the image manager does an addChild, but no kind of commit processing
02:44 < CIA-41> WebGUI: graham * r8763 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Form/Textarea.pm t/Form/Textarea.t): 
02:44 < CIA-41> WebGUI: use proper method of formatting text for display in Textarea form
02:44 < CIA-41> WebGUI: control
02:44 < CIA-41> WebGUI: graham * r8764 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Session/ (Form.pm ErrorHandler.pm): Make sure SQL parameters are stringified (for overloaded entries) before converting to json for debug output
02:44 < CIA-41> WebGUI: graham * r8765 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/FormValidator.pm: FormValidator doesn't need to handle defaults, the Forms API already does that
02:44 < CIA-41> WebGUI: graham * r8766 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/HTML.pm): fixed: filtering of rich text areas very slow for large content
02:44 < CIA-41> WebGUI: graham * r8767 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed: international characters are corrupted on export
02:44 < CIA-41> WebGUI: graham * r8768 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Search/Index.pm: don't need to decode content before indexing it, it's already decoded
02:44 < CIA-41> WebGUI: graham * r8769 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 6 dirs): removing WSClient
02:44 < CIA-41> WebGUI: graham * r8770 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/SurveyJSON.pm: fix some POD errors
02:44 < CIA-41> WebGUI: graham * r8771 /WebGUI/ (t/Asset/File.t lib/WebGUI/Storage.pm t/Macro/Thumbnail.t): some fixes after Storage and Storage::Image merge
02:44 < CIA-41> WebGUI: graham * r8772 /WebGUI/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.6.5 release
02:46 <+perlDreamer> The WSClient is dead?
02:47 <@Haarg> we aren't supporting it anymore
02:47 <@Haarg> it'll get its own repo like SQL Form
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02:52 <+perlDreamer> what to do with WSClient bugs in the tracker?
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03:04 <@Haarg> well, if we can fix them in 7.5 that would be nice
03:05 <@Haarg> but it is so painful to work with that i'd consider them very low priority
03:11 <+perlDreamer> gotcha
03:14 < CIA-41> WebGUI: jt * r8773 /experimental/Automat/sbin/ (findSites.pl createSitesForServer.pl): bringing sites from servers into automat
03:14 < CIA-41> WebGUI: jt * r8774 /releases/WebGUI_7.6.5-beta: Release 7.6.5-beta
03:14 < CIA-41> WebGUI: jt * r8775 /experimental/use-at-own-risk.txt: use at your own risk
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03:41 < CIA-41> WebGUI: graham * r8776 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): preparing for 7.6.6 dev
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05:05 <+perlDreamer> rizen: Did you find out what's up with Admin Console on your box?
05:06 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8777 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/Survey/SurveyJSON.t: Add wide character JSON encoding test.
05:10 <@preaction> would a report that only gets updated by a workflow activity be a useful thing?
05:10 <@preaction> so the user could navigate the report, but the data inside it is only updated by a workflow activity at a certain schedule (configured in the asset)
05:11 <+perlDreamer> sure
05:15 <+perlDreamer> Is this a DataForm feature?
05:15 <+perlDreamer> uh, DataTable
05:17 <@preaction> no, this would be added to the Report framework
05:18 <@preaction> which is... damnit... kind of similar to the DataTable
05:33 <@preaction> no, it's not. DataTable is for DataSources, which may be mutable
05:33 <@preaction> Report is for immutable data
05:33 < CIA-41> WebGUI: patspam * r8778 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (321 files in 56 dirs): 
05:33 < CIA-41> WebGUI: Merge branch '7.6.5-beta' into flux
05:33 < CIA-41> WebGUI: Conflicts:
05:33 < CIA-41> WebGUI:  lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm
05:50 <@rizen> perlDreamer: i think you broke plainblack.com
05:50 <@rizen> =)
05:50 <@preaction> i don't know if it was him, the extra head tags are indeed there
05:51 <@rizen> huh?
05:51 <@rizen> i'm talking about style templates
05:51 <@rizen> and technically, it's not him that broke it
05:51 <@rizen> but rather steve, for designing the site like that
05:52 <@preaction> oh, i was trying to figure out why the SWFObject script was erroring, i suppose i never actually looked at the HTML being spit out
05:52 <@rizen> but that means that when we push this upgrade out to the public we should try to "fix" their borked templates for them
05:53 <@rizen> that is, if this is indeed the error
05:56 <@preaction> http://www.plainblack.com/home/homepage?func=edit;proceed=manageAssets <- this has some Extra <head> elements, but they aren't in the HTML being generated
05:56 <@rizen> ah well that would do it
05:56 <@rizen> i'm also restoring an old copy of the pb database
05:57 <@rizen> to see if there are any style templates that have a headblock with something in it
06:03 <@rizen> boom
06:03 <@rizen> you are a genius
06:03 <@preaction> but what was the fix? i can't find anywhere these things were supposed to get included in any way
06:05 <@preaction> nm, i see it now
06:07 <@rizen> the worst part about it is that i think i may have inadvertantly told him to remove that line
06:08 <@rizen> because i didn't understand what he was asking me
06:08 <@rizen> anyway...all better. back to watching WALL-E
06:13 <+perlDreamer> woe is me
06:13 <+perlDreamer> what do we need to do to fix the code, preaction and rizen?
06:14 <@preaction> perlDreamer: i believe it's all fixied now
06:14 <@preaction> i removed the two instances from processStyle, and JT added it back to prepareView
06:14 < SDuensin> Do you people ever sleep?
06:15 <+perlDreamer> sleep?
06:15 <+perlDreamer> preaction can't sleep, it's in his contract
06:15 < SDuensin> Yea.  It's the dark part between bugs.
06:15 <+perlDreamer> and I've got a business to launch, so I'm trying to stay busy
06:15 <@preaction> i've been there ... once... 
06:15 < SDuensin> Me too, bud.  I hear that.
06:15 <@preaction> there were people talking
06:15 <@preaction> i didn't like them
06:16 < SDuensin> preaction needs to sleep.  I'm going to bug him tomorrow.  :-)
06:16 <@preaction> oh no, i'll be up bright and squirrelly in meetings
06:17 <+perlDreamer> preaction: with those code changes, will other views also get extraHeadTags?
06:17 <+perlDreamer> or only view?
06:17 <@preaction> perlDreamer: okay... how did this EVER work before?
06:18 < SDuensin> Well, I'm going to bed.  This PB stuff is stressing me out.  I need my beauty rest so I can do a good job tomorrow.  Unlike today.
06:18 <+perlDreamer> SDuensin, good night.  Hack on tomorrow.
06:18 < SDuensin> I will.  I'm still super-excited to get to do this!
06:19 < CIA-41> WebGUI: jt * r8779 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm: readded a line that i think i accidentally told colin to remove
06:19 < CIA-41> WebGUI: doug * r8780 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Asset/Wobject.pm Asset.pm): cleaning up the rest of the extra head tags
06:19 < CIA-41> WebGUI: doug * r8781 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Asset/Wobject.pm Asset.pm): dum dum dum dum dum
06:21 <@preaction> but doesn't this mean that they'll get added twice by view?
06:21 <+perlDreamer> possibly
06:21 <+perlDreamer> probably
06:22 <+perlDreamer> I'll fire it up and check
06:27 <+perlDreamer> yup, it comes out twice
06:28 <@preaction> yay!
06:38 <+perlDreamer> Do we fix it tonight, or tomorrow?
06:39  * perlDreamer votes for tomorrow, when fingers are fresh and heads are not befuddled
06:40 <@preaction> yes, tomorrow
06:40 <@preaction> when testing can be written so this little mishap doesn't hap again
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07:12 < CIA-41> WebGUI: Make copy use safe references.
07:12 < CIA-41> WebGUI: Add tests for remove, and copy.
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12:43 < wgGuest71> Hi All
12:43 < wgGuest71> hope someone here can help me
12:44 < wgGuest71> embedding perl in pages - tried the MasonScript - seems to be a bit outdated
12:44 < wgGuest71> anyone had any luck with this
12:44 < wgGuest71> just need to be guided in the right direction
12:45 < BartJol> sorry, I can't help you
12:48 < wgGuest71> no prob
12:48 < wgGuest71> tx for reply
12:50 < BartJol> most people here live in the US and willl wake up in three to 4 hours
12:50 < BartJol> so you might wanna try again later
12:50 < wgGuest71> much appreciated, Ill do that
12:54 < BartJol> glad to be some sort of help
13:09 < CIA-41> WebGUI: yung * r8783 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.pm: matrix bugfixes and code improvements
13:23 < wgGuest71> another question if I may, I went to the bazaar, and wanted to buy the latest version of ruling webui, but I don't see it there. Am I looking at old forums? Does this manual still exist?
13:29 < wgGuest71> not bazaar I mean this link https://www.plainblack.com/store/
13:30 < wgGuest71> should I be looking at the developers guide?
13:52 < BartJol> wgGuest71: well you have the primer that you can download
13:52 < BartJol> but for more explanation of programming and the use of the api, the developers guide is the thing
13:54 < BartJol> so it depends on what you wana do
13:55 < wgGuest71> gone through that, want to get more into the nitty gritty, and in the forums ruling Webgui was mentioned, the manual I got is for 5.4 though, do not sure if that has changed
13:55 < BartJol> if you have a 7.x version, you can consider ruling WebGUI as obsolete
13:56 < BartJol> there has been many changes
13:56 < BartJol> I think that the content managers guide is most similar to ruling WebGUI
14:26 < wgGuest71> awesome, so a purchase of the content guide and the developers guide will be most valuable.
14:26 < wgGuest71> once again, thanx for the info
14:28 < BartJol> That's my opinion, but as long your not a designer, those two boomks should do the trick
14:28 < wgGuest71> tx
14:29 < BartJol> np
15:10 < CIA-41> WebGUI: yung * r8784 /branch/yung-thingy-rfe/ (2 files in 2 dirs): added rfe #w9099: Thingy field-copy function
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17:05 < CIA-41> WebGUI: martin * r8785 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed: #8775: Miscount in number of replies in CS Thread.
17:06 < SDuensin> Greetings.
17:06 <+MrHairgrease> Greasings!
17:08 < SDuensin> No, no greasing yet.  Not made it to McDonalds.
17:08 < BartJol> I understood that all american food is greasy
17:11 < SDuensin> Not all.  Just the good stuff.  :-)
17:19 <+MrHairgrease> when you fix something for 7.5.35 and then forward port it to 7.6 does it have to be in both the 7.3.35 and 7.6 changelog?
17:24 <@preaction> MrHairgrease: no, just the 7.5 changelog
17:24 <@preaction> i believe we'll merge the changelogs when 7.6 goes stable
17:25 <@perlmonkey2> preaction: ack, I've been putting everything in both changelogs.  Oh well.
17:26 <+MrHairgrease> ok, makes sense
17:26 <+MrHairgrease> i guess it would look weird to see the same bug fixed twice
17:26 <+MrHairgrease> very back to the future
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18:06 <+perlDreamer> I'd like to point out that BartJol should be voiced because he's PBWG.
18:06 <+perlDreamer> Also, famous, talented, good looking and generous.
18:06 < CIA-41> WebGUI: martin * r8786 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Merging fixed #8775: Miscount in number of replies in CS Thread.
18:06 <+perlDreamer> and, should Koen get out of control, he's "our last, best hope".
18:07  * SDuensin just started watching B5.  Very timely.
18:11 < BartJol> perlDreamer: uh?
18:11 <+perlDreamer> just blush and accept the compliment, dude
18:12 < BartJol> ok, thanks
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18:15 < SDuensin> preaction / Haarg - When one of you has some time, I need a bit of guidance.
18:15 <@preaction> SDuensin: sup?
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18:16 <@preaction> BartJol: rejoin the channel please?
18:16 < SDuensin> I got your mail last night (dunno WTF happened before).  Basically you need the old thing ported to the new thing?
18:17 < BartJol> preaction: why?
18:17 < BartJol> I'm here
18:17 <@preaction> BartJol: so that the server can auto-voice you and i can see that it works correctly
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18:17 <@preaction> er...
18:18 <@preaction> breathless anticipation!
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18:19 <+bartjol> preaction: it worked
18:19 <@preaction> yay!
18:20 <+MrHairgrease> welcome to the big boys bart
18:21 <+bartjol> joohooo!
18:21 < SDuensin> hehe
18:21 <+bartjol> dec 2008 is my nonth for WebGUI it seems
18:22 <+bartjol> and that while I just messed up a upgrade process, so Koen had to stay longer than he wanted...
18:23 <+bartjol> or is bugging Koen considered positive?
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18:25 <+MrHairgrease> sure why not
18:34 < CIA-41> WebGUI: ernesto * r8787 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/ (4 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)
18:34 < CIA-41> WebGUI: * Make WebGUI work with any kind of LDAP URI (ldap, ldaps and ldapi).
18:34 < CIA-41> WebGUI: The fix consists on making every connection use the URI _without_ the base.
18:34 < CIA-41> WebGUI: This requires rebuilding the URI parameters using scheme, host and port as
18:34 < CIA-41> WebGUI: taken from the original URI stored in WebGUI's or User Preferences,
18:34 < CIA-41> WebGUI: passing it as_string() to Net::LDAP->new(), and stripping any other
18:34 < CIA-41> WebGUI: parameter to the constructor.
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19:00 <+MrHairgrease> time to go
19:00 <+MrHairgrease> later
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19:02 <+bartjol> bye from me too
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19:07 < SDuensin> Ok, explain this one.  I was working on a little Nokia 800 tablet last night.  Somehow, I hurt my pinkie!  It *still* hurts like hell!  Capital letters are painful!
19:13 <+perlDreamer> It's all that java typing with no sigils
19:13 <+perlDreamer> It's weakened your sinews
19:13 < SDuensin> Apparently.
19:14 < SDuensin> Seriously.  It hurts like hell.
19:14 < SDuensin> I need one of those foot pedal shift key things.
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19:24 < rjacobsen> good afternoon all
19:24 < SDuensin> hey
19:25 < rjacobsen> I was wondering if maybe there were some scripts available to where I could use the script to import a package to multiple sites within webgui and one to delete multiple assets in webgui
19:26 < rjacobsen> uploading packages to 50+ websites is taking forever.....
19:26 < SDuensin> Sounds like something that'd be handy.  Don't know of such a beast though.
19:27 < rjacobsen> it would be awesome
19:27 < rjacobsen> how much would I have to pay for someone to write me such a script?
19:27 < CIA-41> WebGUI: jt * r8788 /experimental/Automat/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Automat.pm: fixed search
19:31 < rjacobsen> guess no one wants to make any money :(
19:32 < SDuensin> Hehe
19:32 <@preaction> rjacobsen: if you want a quote from plainblack, send an e-mail to sales@plainblack.com
19:32 < rjacobsen> well is there not such a script available?
19:32 <@preaction> rjacobsen: alternatively, fill out this form: https://www.plainblack.com/store/services/development/portfolio/quote
19:32 <+perlDreamer> rjacobsen, no there isn't
19:33 < rjacobsen> gotcha
19:33 < rjacobsen> ok then
19:33 <@preaction> rjacobsen: you can look in the https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/tools section, i think the packages one might be there
19:42 <+perlDreamer> it is
19:46 <+perlDreamer> does demo.webgui.org have several hosts on the same ip, or is it clustered?
19:47 <@preaction> several hosts on the same IP
19:47 <@preaction> demo.webgui.org is plainblack.com afaik
19:47 <+perlDreamer> I'm working on Tavis's RTE upload problem.  The problem is that it sometimes grabs a different site cookie with the same IP.  That gives it a different session, and therefore scratch vars and version tag.
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19:48 <@preaction> uh... so it's a site configuration problem?
19:49 <+perlDreamer> I think so.  The only way I can duplicate it is to access my dev site via an IP address, versus the site's name
19:49 <+perlDreamer> this bug could go all the way back into apache, or mod_perl, or site config
19:50 <+perlDreamer> I'll make sure the HTTP environment vars are the same for all requests
19:56 <+perlDreamer> well, I found the bug and it's not Apache or mod_perl
19:56 <+perlDreamer> but I'm still confused
19:57 <+perlDreamer> Form::HTMLArea used $session->url->getSiteName to get the name of the site
19:57 <+perlDreamer> accessing it by IP address isn't in the list of sitenames, so it uses the first sitename
19:57 <+perlDreamer> that's a different site from the original, so you get a new session
19:57 <+perlDreamer> (via a different cookie)
19:58 <+perlDreamer> but that doesn't fully explain the demo site yet
19:58 <@preaction> perhaps something to do with gateways and using multiple demo sites at the same time?
19:58 <@preaction> the cookie is named the same, and maybe it's only linked to the domain and not the path?
19:59 <@Haarg> demo.webgui.org is on cold
20:00 <+perlDreamer> that sounds right, preaction.  But then I'd expect it to be random.  And this is very, very repeatable.
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20:03 <@Haarg> perlDreamer, what are the steps to reproduce this?
20:03 <+perlDreamer> Log in as admin
20:04 <+perlDreamer> Edit anything with an HTMLarea
20:04 <+perlDreamer> Hit the Insert WebGUI Image button
20:04 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8789 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/ (4 files in 3 dirs): reverting 8787 due to compile errors
20:04 <+perlDreamer> upload an image
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20:04 <+perlDreamer> Hit the select button next to the image
20:04 <+perlDreamer> In the thumbnail error, you will see the string ERROR
20:05 <+perlDreamer> If you leave the edit screen, you'll see that a version tag was created
20:05 <@Haarg> hrm
20:05 <@Haarg> i'm not seeing an error
20:05 <@Haarg> on a demo site
20:05 <+perlDreamer> I've done it on several demo sites over the last few days
20:06 <+perlDreamer> and, I can do it on a dev site, if you access it via IP address rather than site name
20:06 <+perlDreamer> maybe it's tied to a particular browser?
20:07 <+perlDreamer> this is the demo site I'm using now: http://demo.plainblack.com/demo1228325826_275/home/welcome?func=edit
20:07 <@Haarg> i see
20:07 <@Haarg> it works on demo.webgui.org
20:07 <@Haarg> but not on demo.plainblack.com
20:11 <@Haarg> i could fix this on the server side probably
20:11 <@Haarg> i'm just not certain if that is the best fix
20:11 <+perlDreamer> There's an alternate fix, I think.  I just can't try it on a demo server
20:11 <@Haarg> it should probably be adjusted to use urls that are relative to / instead of having the full url
20:11 <+perlDreamer> Inside Form/HTMLArea, I took out the getSiteUrl part of the image url
20:11 <@Haarg> yeah
20:12 <+perlDreamer> okay, I'll commit that
20:12 <@Haarg> it's just an issue with having two different domains for one site
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20:31 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8790 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/HTMLArea.pm): have imageTree use relative urls to handle sites with multiple sitenames
20:31 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8791 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/HTMLArea.pm): 
20:31 < CIA-41> WebGUI: Remove 7.5.34 changelog that snuck into the 7.6 branch.
20:31 < CIA-41> WebGUI: Forward port imageTree thumbnail relative url fix for sites with multiple hostnames
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20:49 < SquOnk> Hi
20:49 <@preaction> hello there
20:50 < SquOnk> I saw my patch 8787 to 7.5 reverted because of compilation errors. I wonder what those compilation errors are, since I'm not seeing them.
20:50 < SquOnk> (The patch is in production in my servers since monday, that's why I'm curious)
20:51 <@preaction> perlDreamer: you reverted that patch, can you fill in?
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20:52 <+perlDreamer> All my logs are wiped.  I do that when working on bugs to keep the paging down
20:52 <+perlDreamer> I'll merge that patch back in later today, and try to recreate it
20:52 <+perlDreamer> I remember missing my's, and issues like that
20:52 <@preaction> i'll run the syntax_check.t against that revision
20:53 < SquOnk> preaction: Please do, and let me know what's wrong. As I said, this patch is in production with no errors or warnings at all.
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20:55 < wgGuest15> Hi All, I had a question earlier about embedding perl in an html page layout in webgui. I tried using MasonScript to no evail. It seems a bit out-dated, can anyone steer me in the right direction?
20:56 < wgGuest15> your response is much appreciated in advance
20:57 <@preaction> SquOnk, perlDreamer: looks like syntaxCheck.t passes
20:57 < CIA-41> WebGUI: jt * r8792 /experimental/Automat/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Automat.pm: better linking between objects
20:57 <+perlDreamer> SquOnk, I owe you an apology then
20:57 <+perlDreamer> Would you like me to add the patch back in?
20:58 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: Yes, please.
20:58 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: ...so it makes it into the next release.
20:59 <@preaction> wgGuest15: firstly i would not suggest what you're trying. secondly, look for PerlOutputFilterHandler maybe?
21:00 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: Hold on.
21:00 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: JT wrote an e-mail to me. And he's right about me not being aware of the feature freeze, so I guess the patch should not be committed yet. I need to do a better job :-)
21:01 <+perlDreamer> SquOnk, it's probably just a matter of timing.
21:01 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: It always is :-)
21:02 < wgGuest15> preaction:Tx for the response, why would you advice against using the method (embedding)? I will do a bit more reading on what you have recommended
21:02 <@preaction> wgGuest15: because putting Perl code in that layer opens up a whole bunch of security holes
21:02 <@preaction> wgGuest15: you could try making a new template plugin for mason, that might work better and be more secure
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21:05 < apeiron> Well, you *could* switch over to the TT plugin and use its PERL directive.... but not advisable regardless.
21:06 <@preaction> that might be better than anything i've yet suggested
21:06 < wgGuest15> preaction:I agree that would be the best approach. However, I am pressed for time at the moment (aren't we all these days) and have a deadline to meet.
21:07 < Petruchio> Hey, anyone here work for Plain Black?
21:07 <@preaction> Petruchio: all the ops here
21:07 < Petruchio> Ah.
21:07 < wgGuest15> Let me look into the TT plugin, thanx for the assistance.
21:08 < wgGuest15> btw, Great product, really like what I have seen so far
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21:14 <+perlDreamer> In the rich editor, enabling the buttons in the toolbars is sometimes not enough to enable functionality.
21:14 <@preaction> that's... kinda weird
21:14 <+perlDreamer> For example, you may also have to update the Valid Elements property for the rich text editor
21:14 <@preaction> hate the tinymce. i want to go to the YUI one
21:14 <+perlDreamer> http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/8774
21:15 <+perlDreamer> I'm thinking about just updating the hover help for the toolbars sections
21:15 <+perlDreamer> but I'm wondering if instead I should change the default forum editor to allow all elements let the toolbar control what's going on
21:15 <+perlDreamer> any suggestions from the PB crew?
21:17 <@preaction> i think just updating the help and docs
21:17 <@preaction> or... what if enabling the button would also add (using a bit of client-side scripting) the element(s) to the list of enabled elements?
21:17 <@preaction> perhaps with a small pop-up warning saying "oh, btw, i just did this"
21:18 <+perlDreamer> that sounds like more than I want to do in 7.5
21:18 <@preaction> not sure i like the idea, seems overly complicated
21:32  * perlDreamer goes running
21:32 <+perlDreamer> We're under three pages of bugs now
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21:35 < WebGUI> hi there
21:35 < ckotil> Any plan to allow multiple groups be allowed to view/edit an asset? without doing groups of groups
21:35 <@preaction> ckotil: patspam has been working on a thing called "Flux" that might handle what you want. otherwise there's no plan for it yet. perhaps an RFE for it?
21:36 < ckotil> cool. yeah, might as well
21:54 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8793 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 
21:54 < CIA-41> WebGUI: Note that adding an RTE toolbar button does not guarantee that
21:54 < CIA-41> WebGUI: the functionality it provides will work. The Valid Elements
21:54 < CIA-41> WebGUI: property also needs to be updated.
21:54 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8794 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): update RTE docs for adding toolbar buttons AND Valid Elements
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23:56 <+perlDreamer> snapcount, for your WSClient patch, what do you want the attribution to be in the change log?
23:56 <+perlDreamer> Roy Johnson, ExploreOS?
23:59 <+snapcount> huh?
23:59 <+snapcount> oh
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00:00 <+snapcount> actually HD Publishing Group, Inc.
00:00 <+perlDreamer> since you provided a patch
00:00 <+perlDreamer> will do
00:00 <+snapcount> or Death, Inc.
00:00 <+perlDreamer> not Guitar Hero Wannabe's of Florida ?
00:00 <+snapcount> hahah
00:01 <+snapcount> I have not given up on our plot to take over all of the nation's Papa Johns
00:01 <+perlDreamer> with the new Shop, it will be easier
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00:03 <+snapcount> thanks for getting that in Colin, I appreciate it
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00:03 <+perlDreamer> You're welcome.
00:04 <+perlDreamer> I won't miss the WSClient, but I'm glad you find it useful.
00:04 <+snapcount> we have a little SOAP service that returns sales statistics
00:04 <+snapcount> and we use it in the footer of our intranet to show everyone how we're doing for the day
00:06 <@preaction> my question is, we're getting rid of it, sure, but can it be fixed at all?
00:06 <@preaction> i mean, is it possible, given the scope of the thing?
00:07 <+snapcount> well it works for our specific instance with that patch
00:07 <+snapcount> it probably won't work for anything else though lol
00:07 <+snapcount> perlDreamer I'm coming to OSCon this year
00:07 <+snapcount> and the WUC
00:07 <+perlDreamer> cool.  I wish I could
00:07 <+perlDreamer> OSCON, that is
00:08 <+perlDreamer> but it's in California in 2009
00:08 <+snapcount> yeah that's still close man
00:08 <+snapcount> =)
00:08 <+snapcount> road trip!
00:08 <+perlDreamer> we'll see how perlDreamer does this year in business
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00:24 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8795 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): patch to stop WSClient from dying if there is no data to show
00:24 < CIA-41> WebGUI: graham * r8796 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed: international characters are corrupted on export
00:24 < CIA-41> WebGUI: graham * r8797 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/HTML.pm): fixed: filtering of rich text areas very slow for large content
00:24 < CIA-41> WebGUI: graham * r8798 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/FormValidator.pm: FormValidator doesn't need to handle defaults, the Forms API already does that
00:35 <+snapcount> so is using && not PBP or is that one of them numerical -vs- string operator deals perlDreamer?
00:36 <+perlDreamer> I was lazy and my fingers typed and
00:36 <+snapcount> oh ok haha
00:36 <+perlDreamer> I didn't download and apply the patch
00:36 <+snapcount> I don't get to program as much anymore
00:36 <+perlDreamer> that's a bummer
00:36 <+snapcount> wanted to make sure I'm not slacking on my Perl =)
00:36 <+perlDreamer> I'm programming a lot, so it probably balances out
00:37 <+perlDreamer> why doesn't mysql like `users.userId` ?
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00:40 < apeiron> snapcount, && , and are different, to be used in different cases. They differ in terms of predence, meaning that expressions bound to && are evaluated first.
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00:45 <+perlDreamer> rizen: would it be very bad to have the Asset Aspect comment text area use WebGUI::HTML::format so that newlines are obeyed, and other unsafe characters are commented out?
00:45 <@rizen> no, i thought i made it do that
00:46 <@rizen> go ahead
00:46 <+perlDreamer> thanks :)
00:46 <@rizen> not on save though...on display
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00:51 <+perlDreamer> right, only on display
00:59 <+perlDreamer> I've never looked in the Aspect code before.  It's very clean.
01:01 < Mech422> *yawn* morning all
01:02 < Mech422> perlDreamer: I'm finally getting back to work after the holidays, and had a question..
01:02 <+perlDreamer> ask away, Mech422
01:02 < Mech422> perlDreamer: I need to make a change so that editing a user profile fires a work flow event..
01:03 <+perlDreamer> I remember this talk...
01:03 < Mech422> and preaction mentioned there was some code in place already to fire an event when the admin made changes
01:03 < Mech422> right...
01:03 < Mech422> so I'm looking in /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Account
01:04 < Mech422> but I don't see anything in Profile.pm or User.pm that appears to check for admin priviledges or fire an event ?
01:04 <+perlDreamer> It would be (or was in) Operation/User.pm
01:04 < Mech422> what does 'event firing code' look like in webgui ?  ($self->event->first('update') ? Ahh... i'm looking in the wrong spot....
01:05 <@rizen> thanks for the compliment perlDreamer 
01:05 <+perlDreamer> in WebGUI, most forms are two parts
01:05 <+perlDreamer> www_{action}
01:05 <+perlDreamer> and www_{actionSave}
01:05 <+perlDreamer> it's the second that you're looking for in Operation/User.pm
01:05 <+perlDreamer> www_editUserSave
01:06 <+perlDreamer> look around lines 516
01:06 < Mech422> perlDreamer: yeah - I saw code like that in Account.pm and User.pm... I thought those were the ones
01:06 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8799 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Make UserList handle profile fields with spaces in their field names
01:06 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8800 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): forward porting UserList profile field name bug fix
01:06 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8801 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/AssetAspect/Comments.pm): Have AssetAspect comment format its content as HTML, not text.
01:06 <+perlDreamer> there's workflow code for a new user, and an existing user
01:06 < CIA-41> WebGUI: jt * r8802 /experimental/Automat/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Automat.pm sbin/getmaildomains.pl): script to link everyone.net mail servers to automat sites
01:07 < Mech422> perlDreamer: oh - Operation/User.pm is deprecated...
01:07 < Mech422> perlDreamer: it says to use Account::Profile instead
01:07 < Mech422> stupid irc client... make that Account: : Profile 
01:07 <+perlDreamer> sure, but that's where to find the code that you're looking for
01:08 <@rizen> you may need to talk to khenn about that...he may have forgotten to put the triggers back in when i was rewriting all the account stuff
01:08 <+perlDreamer> then you can add that to Account::Profile to do what you wish
01:08 <+perlDreamer> the triggers are still in there
01:08 <@rizen> ok
01:08 <@rizen> nevermind then
01:08 < Mech422> perlDreamer: ahh - ok
01:08 <+perlDreamer> line 516
01:08 <+perlDreamer> and I don't see any deprecation notices in Operation/User.pm
01:08 <+perlDreamer> where are they?
01:09 <+perlDreamer> gotta run a quick errand, I should be back in 30 minutes or so
01:09 < Mech422> perlDreamer: got it... sweet :-)  .. Thanks :-)
01:10 < Mech422> perlDreamer: sorry - it was profile.pm that was deprecated
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01:10 < Mech422> (my up-arrow (command recall) nabbed the wrong file :-P )
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01:29 <+perlDreamer> back
01:32 <+perlDreamer> THINGY SUCKS
01:33 < Mech422> perlDreamer: eh?  I thought thingy was the new 'golden boy' webgui plugin ?
01:33 < Mech422> perlDreamer: btw - I think I found a small bug with this event code
01:33 <+perlDreamer> oh?  Cool!  Do share.
01:34 < Mech422> perldreamer: in user.pm line 516+/- its firing the runOnAdminCreateUser and runOnAdminUpdateUser events
01:35 < Mech422> thing is - it might not be the Admin thats doing the updates
01:35 < Mech422> its actually just anyone for which CanEdit($session) is true
01:36 < Mech422> (or canAdd($session) is true )
01:36 < Mech422> so user 'steve' editing 'steve's user profile would fire the runOnAdminUpdateUser event ?
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01:42 <+perlDreamer> Mech422, that's actually by design
01:42 <+perlDreamer> there are several groups of people who can edit users through the admin interface
01:43 <+perlDreamer> just check out the canAdd and canEdit methods for the details on it
01:43 < Mech422> ahh - in that case - I don't need to do anything
01:43 <+perlDreamer> no, it should be fine
01:43 < Mech422> I can just add a workflow on the runOnAdminUpdateUser event
01:43 <+perlDreamer> No.
01:43 < Mech422> and it will get fired even if 'steve' modifies 'steve's profile ?
01:44 <+perlDreamer> When Steve modifies his own profile, it comes out of Account/Profile.pm
01:44 <+perlDreamer> the code in Operation/User.pm is for Admins only
01:44 < Mech422> ahh..
01:44 <+perlDreamer> so you need to build in a trigger for Account/Profile.pm
01:44 <+perlDreamer> and then you'd also add a new setting in Operation/Setting
01:44 < Mech422> ok - so should I create a new 'event' in Profile.pm or just use runOnAdminUpdateUser ?
01:45 <+perlDreamer> to allow admins to choose which workflow is run
01:45 <+perlDreamer> Workflow::Instance->create({})->start is the "event"
01:45 <+perlDreamer> now you have to tell it what data to run
01:48 < Mech422> ok - I see the @fields stuff for 'workflow' in settings..  
01:49 < Mech422> I can just add an arbitrary key ( name => 'runOnUpdateUser') there, or is there some 'schema' somewhere that needs it as well ?
01:50 <+perlDreamer> to add a new setting, use the settings sub object in $session
01:51 <+perlDreamer> $session->setting->add(name, defaultValue);
01:51 <+perlDreamer> then, you can add code to Operation/Settings to handle the UI for it
01:51 <+perlDreamer> actually, hold on a second
01:51 <+perlDreamer> Account plugins can have their own edit screens
01:53 <+perlDreamer> it would be better to add the UI code in Account/Profile.pm
01:53 <+perlDreamer> so, to review.
01:53 <+perlDreamer> 1) Build an update-type script that adds the setting to the db
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01:54 <+perlDreamer> 2) Modify Account/Profile to add the UI to pick the workflow
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01:54 <+perlDreamer> 3) Modify Account/Profile to add the firing code inside www_editSave, if there are no errors
01:57 < Mech422> Hmm ...
01:58 < Mech422> this whole db thing is gonna take some getting used to
01:59 < Mech422> Do you have some sort of deployment script you use for making sure you don't forget to run lil one-off scripts like this when you deploy a live site ?
02:00 < Mech422> or do people just dump and restore the DB when they migrate/deploy a site ?
02:04 <+perlDreamer> Mech422, see docs/upgrades/upgrade_v1_v2.pl
02:05 <+perlDreamer> also, I'm sure that rizen and crew have provisioning scripts for handling custom code along with merging in new code from the core.
02:06 <@rizen> mech422 what do you mean "migrate" / "deploy" a site?
02:07 < Mech422> perlDreamer: its nice there's an update skeleton in that dir :-)
02:08 < Mech422> rizen: we generally build sites on a 'dev' server, and deploy the finished sites on a seperate production server
02:08 <@rizen> interesting
02:08 <@rizen> when you say "build" are we talking site content, or code
02:08 < Mech422> rizen: also, if we update a site (other then trivial css type changes)
02:09 <+perlDreamer> Haarg: did you fix this bug already?
02:09 < Mech422> we pull the site back from the production server to a 'dev' server 
02:09 <+perlDreamer> http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/thingy-next-page-broken-on-initial-page
02:09 < Mech422> rizen: typically - both...
02:09 <@rizen> Mech422: with webgui i wouldn't recommend using your old model
02:09 < Mech422> rizen: mostly its for the code, skinning etc
02:09 <@rizen> do all content on the production server all the time
02:09 <@rizen> templates are content as far as webgui is concerned
02:10 <@rizen> that's why there is a versioning system
02:10 < Mech422> rizen: but that generally requires getting some content in just to see how stuff looks/works/etc
02:10 <@rizen> again, that's why there's a versioning system
02:10 <@rizen> the problem you'll have if you do what you're saying
02:10 <@rizen> on anything other than a brochureware site
02:10 <@rizen> is syncing content that gets updated on prod
02:10 <@rizen> to your dev server
02:10 <@rizen> and back
02:10 <@rizen> like forums
02:10 <@rizen> wiki pages
02:10 <@rizen> poll results
02:10 <@rizen> etc
02:11 <+perlDreamer> user profile data
02:11 < Mech422> oh yeah - thats a given
02:11 <@rizen> that's why you should do all content changes *only* on the production server
02:11 < Mech422> you don't expect the dev server to stay in sync if your updating a 'live' site
02:11 <@rizen> now, if you do have something you want to change on a dev server, make a package from the production server
02:11 <@rizen> deploy it on dev
02:11 <@rizen> edit
02:11 <@rizen> export from dev
02:11 <@rizen> and import back into prod
02:12 <@rizen> but you shouldn't often need to do that
02:12 <@rizen> as far as code changes are concerned...absolutely you should use a dev server
02:12 < Mech422> could I update a production site with these user profile changes using that method ?
02:12 <+perlDreamer> no
02:12 <@rizen> no
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02:12 <@rizen> only content is versioned
02:12 <@rizen> user accounts and profiles aren't versioned
02:12 <@rizen> and therefore isn't packagable
02:12 <@rizen> you can only package assets
02:13 <+perlDreamer> but you could apply code patches from your dev site to the production site.
02:13 <+perlDreamer> but not data, just like rizen said
02:13 < Mech422> right - or VCS
02:13 <+perlDreamer> sure
02:13 <@rizen> we absolutely do sync prod sites down to dev servers so that we can test on "real" data
02:14 <@rizen> and in those cases, we just take a backup file (created by the wre) and restore it on the dev server
02:14 <@rizen> but we only use dev servers for code changes
02:14 <@rizen> testing out content migration processes
02:14 <@rizen> new plugins
02:14 <@rizen> etc
02:15 < Mech422> I'll have to work this out in more detail as I go along... yeah, I don't expect to deal with content that way
02:16 < Mech422> I just meant we end up with some 'testing' content on the dev. boxes
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02:17 < Mech422> I basically need to come up with a quick and easy way to migrate site code bases from one place to another - sounds like a vcs system plus 'install' script would be the way to go
02:18 <+perlDreamer> yes
02:18 < Mech422> so I can hg clone myclientsite ; cd myclientsite ; ./setup_webgui ; echo "done - go get lunch" :-)
02:19 < Mech422> anyway - gotta add this bit of fluff in before I worry about that
02:22 <+perlDreamer> rizen, does the Dev Guide talk about handling custom code?
02:23 < Mech422> perlDreamer: not from what I could see.... (as a newb )
02:23 <@rizen> i don't think so
02:23 <@rizen> i mean it talks about how to create it
02:23 <@rizen> but not how to manage it
02:23 <@rizen> Mech422 what we do is check out our custom code into a folder in /data
02:23 <@rizen> like /data/Automat
02:24 <@rizen> then we add /data/WebGUI/sbin/preload.custom
02:24 <@rizen> we put that folder in there
02:24 <@rizen> so it loads in the code
02:24 <@rizen> but is not mixed in with WebGUI
02:24 <@rizen> and is still attached to the version control system
02:24 < Mech422> that makes sense
02:24 <@rizen> so we can just do "cd /data/Automat; svn update"
02:25 <@rizen> and yes, we write install / upgrade scripts for those
02:25 < Mech422> and then I could keep my 'install' script in there - to do whatever db updates are necessary for the custom code
02:25 <@rizen> they are usually in /data/Automat/sbin
02:25 <@rizen> for example
02:25 <@rizen> exactly
02:26 <@rizen> perlDreamer: you're right, i should write a chapter on that
02:26 <+perlDreamer> it will give you something to write this year, before the WUC
02:27 <@rizen> yeah, i want to put out new versions of all our books before the wuc this year
02:27 <@rizen> or rather, release them at the WUC
02:27 <@rizen> we're already working on the next design guide
02:28 <@rizen> and kristi will be putting out the 7.6 version of the CM guide in february
02:28 <@rizen> and the 7.7 version at the WUC
02:29 <@rizen> but the commerce, dev, and admin guides should all be updated for the wuc as well
02:43 < patspam> perlmonkey2: ping
02:43 <+perlDreamer> arrrgh!
02:43 <+perlDreamer> User profiling is broken.
02:43 <+perlDreamer> It doesn't handle spaces in the field names
02:44 <+perlDreamer> it doesn't tell you if you duplicate a field
02:53 <@rizen> blame Haarg. he's not here to defend himself
03:01 <+perlDreamer> khenn is my usual go to guy.
03:02 <+perlDreamer> He always makes me eat my words :)
03:02 <+perlDreamer> and he did do the last profile related work with Account
03:02 <+perlDreamer> so even though the bugs are in 7.5, he must be responsible for the
03:02 <+perlDreamer> m
03:02 <@rizen> true, but he can actually defend himself
03:02 <@rizen> though i never tell him that
03:03 <@rizen> pretty much every conversation i have with him ends with him saying "i hate you"
03:03 <@rizen> but in a good way
03:03 <+perlDreamer> hate is only orthogonal to love, not an full opposite
03:06 < CIA-41> WebGUI: patspam * r8803 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: 
03:06 < CIA-41> WebGUI: Survey bug fix - showProgress, showTimeLimit and timeLimit should not be
03:06 < CIA-41> WebGUI: stored at the response level (they are global to asset instance)
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03:32 < CIA-41> WebGUI: Fixed some curly Survey js type casting bugs so that
03:32 < CIA-41> WebGUI: questionsOnSectionPage, everyPageText and everyPageTitle work as
03:32 < CIA-41> WebGUI: expected.
03:32 < CIA-41> WebGUI: patspam * r8805 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Cherry-picked latest Survey bug fixes from master
04:11 <@khenn> I don't accept blame for anything
04:11 <@khenn> it's all rizen's fault
04:51 <@preaction> heh, we all know whose fault it really is
04:51 <@preaction> JAMIE VRBSKY
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05:03 < patspam> does the template syntax highlighter resizer work for anyone in any of the recent betas?
05:03 <@perlmonkey2> patspam: pong
05:04 <@preaction> it's ... weird
05:04 <@preaction> you have to click it, then drag mouse, then click to drop it
05:05 < patspam> lol, two of use here just went "ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh"
05:05 < patspam> use/us
05:06 < patspam> perlmonkey2: hey man
05:07 <@perlmonkey2> patspam: word yo
05:07 < patspam> I'm going to change the <font color="red">*</font> for required fields to use CSS so that it can be skinned
05:08 <@perlmonkey2> sounds groovy
05:09 < patspam> I was going to ask you something before... oh yeah
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05:10 < patspam> showProgress, showTimeLimit and timeLimit were being stored at the response level, which was kinda confusing if you changed them at the asset level and then wondered why some users who were halfway through a survey didn't see the change
05:10 < patspam> i switched them over to just use $self->get('showProgress') etc.. rather than storing/retrieving at the response level, didn't seem to be any need to have them there
05:12 < patspam> just wanted to check there wasn't some subtle ninja reason for having them stored on a per-response basis
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06:16 < CIA-41> WebGUI: Flagging of invalid Survey fields now uses CSS classes instead of <font> tags
06:16 < CIA-41> WebGUI: (for skinnability)
06:17 <@perlmonkey2> patspam: I did that so that there wouldn't need to be an additional DB query.
06:22 <@perlmonkey2> patspam: I'm not sure why you would change the time limits in the middle of an open survey.  And if you did change the time limits, would you want the changes to affect people already in the middle of a survey?  Plus you get the extra DB call.
06:23 < patspam> yo
06:23 < patspam> not following on why there would be an extra db query?
06:26 <@perlmonkey2> is the ->get call not hitting the DB?  Or are the asset's params loaded into memory upon creation?
06:27 < patspam> yeah i think Asset.pm pulls them all in at once
06:31 <@perlmonkey2> hmm, it does appear to do so.  cool then, sounds good.
06:35 < patspam> I think I'm going to have to name my first born child git
06:37 < patspam> i just got sent a link to a zoomerang survey, interesting to check out the competition :)
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17:46 < sduensin> Hello -- sorta!
17:51 < npinansky> Is there a specific API i should query to get the status of workflow instances?
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18:33 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: do you know anything about those IRS rebate rules?  Is that just a tax writeoff?
18:33 <+perlDreamer> I think it's a tax rebate.
18:34 <@perlmonkey2> That will be brilliant then :D
18:35 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: What's the part that regulates the AC current from the turbine into 110/220?  That's another expensive part I might be able to find cheaper.
18:36 <+perlDreamer> Good question.  It may be called an inverter.
18:36 <+perlDreamer> Everything I've done for the past 13 years has been all DC current.
18:36 < nuba> is this some space rocket DIY project youre doing in your garage?
18:36 <+perlDreamer> No AC or power work.
18:36 <+perlDreamer> It's one of the reasons I went into microelectronics
18:36 <+perlDreamer> You can't really get hurt by most 5V sources
18:36 <+perlDreamer> I worked for Freightliner for 6 months.
18:37 <+perlDreamer> I was told once not to touch an insulated stud connected to several large wires
18:37 <+perlDreamer> When I asked why, I was told there was 300 amps going through it
18:37 <+perlDreamer> it kind of killed my interest in high power applications
18:37 <+perlDreamer> I know it's silly, but I have this thing about fatal electrical burns
18:38  * perlDreamer goes to the gym, bbl
18:38 < nuba> I can simpathize with that
18:38 < sduensin> Gym???  Some geek you are.
18:38 < nuba> not with the gym
18:39 < nuba> sympathize with the high power thing
18:40 < sduensin> Oh yea.  I dont play with that crap either.
18:41 < sduensin> This frickin drive upgrade is taking too long...  I got code to write!
18:43 < nuba> on the other hand, being close to these things contribute to less dull moments in the job
18:43 < nuba> not to mention internal jokes and pranks like "hey, can you stick this post it there for me, please!" among the staff
18:44 < nuba> pretty lively
18:44 < sduensin> Hehehe
18:44 < nuba> and deadly
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18:46 < sduensin> Well, yea.  But as long as its funny.  :-)
18:55 <@perlmonkey2> nuba: this is for a DIY wind turbine project :)
18:55 < nuba> whoa
18:55 < nuba> impressive
18:56 < nuba> this is surely going to blow people's socks off! :D
18:58 <@perlmonkey2> nuba: we'll see.  My dad and uncle and I are going in on all the welding supplies, but we've yet to find a good enough deal that we all agree on it.
19:01 < ckotil> Calendar feed updates are giving me lots and lots of version tags.
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19:15 < SDuensin> Back.
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19:27 < sandraqu> hi
19:27 < SDuensin> howdy
19:27 < sandraqu> would someone guide me in using putty to login as a root user via SSH?
19:28 < nuba> in the host field, add the name of the machine or ip address
19:28 < sandraqu> hi sduensin
19:28 < nuba> port is most likely 22
19:28 < nuba> connect
19:28 < nuba> you'll be asked to confirm the server's key fingerprint
19:29 < nuba> then you'll see a blank term window while putty handshakes the server and gets a connection going
19:29 < nuba> then you'll be asked to provide the username
19:29 < nuba> then the password
19:29 < nuba> and if you do it right
19:30 < nuba> next thing is a shell prompt at the box
19:30 < sandraqu> what if i can't find the root and passwd.  i know that sounds sketchy
19:30 < nuba> well, if you have a non-root account there
19:30 < nuba> you can use that account and use sudo, if it was configured for you
19:30 < nuba> by a sysadmin
19:30 < sandraqu> could i get the cmd prompt to list them without being logged in?
19:30 < nuba> of the box
19:31 < nuba> cant get a cmd prompt without valid user account
19:31 < sandraqu> is there a generic user/pass?
19:31 < nuba> get in touch with the box's sysadmin
19:31 < nuba> nope
19:31 < sandraqu> is root usually root?
19:31 < sandraqu> admin?
19:31 < nuba> LOL, no
19:31 < nuba> that'd be a security hole like the meteor crater in arizona
19:32 < nuba> thres no such ting
19:32 < nuba> theres* thing*
19:32 < nuba> contact the box's admin
19:32 < sandraqu> ... 
19:33 < sandraqu> nuba, short of calling webGUI, i'm one of the admin's
19:33 < sandraqu> i just dont' use ssh all that often, especially webGui's
19:34 < nuba> oh. well, you should contact the admin who's got the root pwd
19:34 < sandraqu> yes
19:34 < nuba> and ask him to help you get your account going
19:35 < sandraqu> it's a her
19:35 < SDuensin> Hers have passwords, too.
19:35 < sandraqu> :]
19:35 < nuba> be nice to her
19:36 < nuba> ask politely
19:36 < nuba> she might even give you the root pwd
19:36 < nuba> :D
19:36 < SDuensin> hehe
19:36 < sandraqu> alright
19:36 < sandraqu> off i go
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19:36 < nuba> that was funny
19:37 < nuba> needs to improve his social engineering skills, tho
19:38 < SDuensin> Reminds me of the time I got a call from someone on the third floor having problems logging in...  In a two story building.
19:38 < nuba> SDuensin: want to know the universal 'Hers' password?
19:38 < nuba> get close to her and whisper '75% OFF'
19:38 < nuba> she'll go mad and overflow
19:38 < nuba> :D
19:39 < SDuensin> hehe
19:39 < SDuensin> Not my wife.  She'd be like, "Of what?  What are you buying NOW?"  :-)
19:39 < nuba> actually thats from a standup comedian, dont remember her name now...
19:40 < nuba> here, wife agreed yesterday to friendly divorce
19:41 < nuba> gotta act swiftly, before she changes her mind..
19:41 < SDuensin> Sorry to hear that.  I think.
19:41 < SDuensin> My wife rocks.   (I *do* buy a lot!)
19:41 < nuba> well, it'll be different, but I'm looking forward to it
19:41 < nuba> have for some time now
19:42 < SDuensin> As long as you're happy, I'm happy for you. :-)
19:42 < nuba> we were fragile as a relationship a year ago. then she brought my mother-in-law to live with us. and the rest, they say, is history...
19:42 < SDuensin> Ooo.  Yea.  I can see how that'd be bad.
19:44 < SDuensin> Actually, I quite like all my wife's family.  They're a lot like mine.  Got lucky, I guess.
19:44 < nuba> probably
19:44 < nuba> if its working, and fulfilling, I'd say 'stick with it'
19:44 < SDuensin> That's the plan, man.
19:45 <@rizen> i don't even like my own family, let alone my wife's
19:45 < nuba> heh
19:45 < SDuensin> Although, I need to get this laptop back where it belongs before she gets home.  :-D
19:45 < SDuensin> rizen lives!
19:45 <@rizen> just every other thursday
19:45 <@rizen> the rest of the time i'm undead
19:46 < SDuensin> Oddly, I believe that.
19:46 < SDuensin> "Never could get the hang of thursdays."
19:50 < nuba> here we had a regular Saturday From Hell
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19:51 < sandraqu> hello again
19:51 < nuba> when everybody would be aroun, and things would crash-n-burn
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19:51 < sandraqu> i'm in.  have a bash prompt.  i want to install a macro :]
19:51 < sandraqu> do i have to use sudo?
19:52 < nuba> that was fast
19:52 < SDuensin> Depends on a lot of things.
19:52 < SDuensin> Are you in as root?
19:52 < sandraqu> dunno
19:52 < sandraqu> i'm in though
19:52 < nuba> type whoami and press <ENTER>
19:52 < sandraqu> the username is not root, if that's your question
19:52 < nuba> or id
19:52 < sandraqu> it returns the username i provide
19:53 < sandraqu> d
19:53 < nuba> which was
19:53 < nuba> ...?
19:53 < sandraqu> my bosses
19:53 < nuba> well it doesnt matter
19:53 < SDuensin> No offense, but I think you need to brush up on your UNIX skills quite a bit before you go installing or altering anything.
19:53 < nuba> you would have noticed if it were 'root'
19:53 < sandraqu> SDue... don't worry
19:54 < sandraqu> i crash things all the time
19:54 < sandraqu> crash n learn, is what i like to call it
19:54 < nuba> heh, sounds like me back in the days...
19:54 < SDuensin> You can do a lot of damage as root.  Just be sure the box is expendable.  :-)
19:54 < sandraqu> so nuba, since your more adventurous, should i just try to install the pm?
19:54 < nuba> when I was a wise fool .. er.. guess Im still one... some things never change...
19:54 < sandraqu> see if it works?
19:54 < nuba> so, sandraqu, first rule of business
19:55 < sandraqu> i guess.. is the bash prompt ok?
19:55 < nuba> make a backup of what you have
19:55 < nuba> so if you crash
19:55 < nuba> you can CTRL+Z
19:55 < nuba> and make your bosses happy again
19:55 < sandraqu> nuba, i won't crash.  i am not that much of a newbie, just not an everyday shell user
19:55 < nuba> you know how to do a .tar.gz archive
19:55 < nuba> ?
19:55 < nuba> and a mysqldump?
19:55 < sandraqu> the system is backup up
19:56 < nuba> check that
19:56 < sandraqu> check the dummp?
19:56 < nuba> you reall y want to watch your back
19:56 < nuba> yeah, check if the backups are doing fine
19:56 < sandraqu> we pay plainback to watch it for us
19:56 < nuba> oh.. 
19:56 < nuba> hey, youre a plainblack customer?
19:56 < sandraqu> yes
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19:57 < sandraqu> i know they can do this
19:57 < nuba> maybe you could have them holding your hand in the process...
19:57 < nuba> if its in your support plan
19:57 < nuba> check with your customer representative
19:57 < sandraqu> ii'm just trying to speed thngs up.  if you would prefer.  
19:57 < sandraqu> alright nuba.  you're not helping me anymore.  thanks
19:57 < nuba> wow youre quick to burn bridges
19:58 < nuba> i didnt say that
19:58 < sandraqu> oh
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19:58 < sandraqu> sorry
19:58 < sandraqu> nuba, i'm just trying to do this myself so that i can try out a macro
19:58 < sandraqu> i have a monday deadline
19:58 < nuba> okay, well what macro are you trying to install?
19:58 < sandraqu> i have a guide, but thought to inquire here
19:59 < sandraqu> the mail encode one
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19:59 < nuba> if i recall correctly, you have to unpack it under /data/WebGUI
19:59 < nuba> and enable it on your site's config file
19:59 < nuba> which hangs at /data/WebGUI/etc/
20:00 < sandraqu> yes
20:00 < sandraqu> hmm
20:00 < sandraqu> nuba, i'm at the bash prompt though.  
20:00 < sandraqu> i think i have to do be root
20:01 < nuba> 'sudo -s' will get you a root's shell, but that depends on how sudo is configured in the box
20:01 < nuba> otherwise you can 'su -' too
20:01 < nuba> but for this one you'll need to know the root's pwd
20:01 < nuba> maybe you dont need the root's pwd
20:02 < nuba> check your site's /data/WebGUI/etc/yoursitenamehere.conf
20:02 < nuba> ls -l /data/WebGUI/etc/yoursitenamehere.conf
20:02 < sandraqu> nuba... it now has a # isntead of $ at the end of the prompt (with sudo 0-s
20:02 < nuba> see if its owned by your boss' user
20:02 < nuba> type whoami
20:02 < sandraqu> root
20:02 < nuba> okay, youre root now, as you may have realised
20:02 < sandraqu> yes
20:02 < nuba> heh
20:03 < nuba> so, unpack the macro
20:03 < sandraqu> now.  i have the pm downloaded locally
20:03 < nuba> under /data/WeGUI/
20:03 < nuba> if it was nicely packaged
20:03 < sandraqu> is there an address i can type in the shell prompt to drag the pm from the bazaar into here?
20:03 < nuba> it will extract something under /data/WebGUI/docs
20:03 < nuba> for you to read
20:04 < nuba> and it will extract the macro itself to /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Macro
20:04 < nuba> its the .pm file
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20:05 < nuba> if you need to install any additional modules, it should be saying so in the docs that came with it
20:05 < nuba> otherwise you may peruse the .pm file yourself and use CPAN to install the modules
20:05 < nuba> or just try to use it and see what error messages it'll spill out
20:05 < nuba> and a crash-and-learn adept im guessing youll go with choice #3
20:06 < sandraqu> nuba.  ok.  lemme try all those things
20:06 < sandraqu> :]
20:06 < sandraqu> i'll be back
20:06 < SDuensin> We'll be here.
20:07 < nuba> I might not be around, but im sure SDuensin will love to hint you in the proper path again, if needed ;D
20:07 < nuba> right, SDuensin ?
20:07 < SDuensin> Oh sure, run off and leave me.
20:07 < nuba> LOL
20:07 <+perlDreamer> ckotil, that bug has already been fixed.  Check the bug board or changelog for which release it is fixed in.
20:09 <+perlDreamer> well, a bug that sounds like that has been fixed.
20:09 < sandraqu> hello - is there a way to copy the pm from my local machine onto the server via SSH?
20:10 < nuba> scp file.pm me@remote.box.com:/path/there/
20:10 <@preaction> sandraqu: yes. man scp
20:11 < sandraqu> is there another way?
20:12 < nuba> why dont you download it there?
20:12 <+perlDreamer> sandraqu, it totally depends on the software installed on both machines
20:12 <+perlDreamer> are you working with windows as your desktop?
20:12 < nuba> instead of downloadin in your box and then having to figure out how to send it upstream?
20:12 < sandraqu> perlD - windows right now
20:13 < SDuensin> Might I add...Eww.  :-)
20:13 <+perlDreamer> sandraqu, nuba is right.  It would be easier to download it right to the server.
20:13 < nuba> putty has a scp thingy but its not very friendly
20:13 < sandraqu> hey - i'd much rather be on my Mac
20:13 <+perlDreamer> find the URL for downloading the macro that you want to install
20:13 < nuba> do a wget http://url.here/foo.tar.gz
20:13 <@preaction> windows has a GUI called "winscp"
20:13 <+perlDreamer> exactly
20:13 < sandraqu> nuba.. k
20:14 < SDuensin> I gotta have Cygwin loaded if I'm in Windows.
20:14 < sandraqu> pre - lemme try wget
20:14 < sandraqu> Cygwin is good
20:14 < nuba> if you dont have wget, try 'curl -O http://etc.etc./file.tgz'
20:16 < nuba> ascii: my preferred SCP client on win32 is SSH.com's, but Im not finding it for download in their website anymore.
20:16 <+perlDreamer> in perl, what binds tighter, parentheses, or logical OR ?
20:17 < nuba> perlDreamer: youre asking for who has precedence?
20:17 < ckotil> perlDreamer: ah, thanks
20:17 <+perlDreamer> sure, like if I said return (this && that) || other
20:17 < nuba> parentheses are always used to override default operator precedence
20:18 <@preaction> it would return 1 || other depending on this && that
20:18 < sandraqu> nuba - wget did the trick
20:18 < sandraqu> be back
20:18 <+perlDreamer> preaction, and not (return 1) || other
20:18 <@preaction> it's possible it could return that || other
20:18 <@preaction> oh, dunno
20:19 <+perlDreamer> sounds like more testing is in order
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20:22 < nuba> bbiaw
20:26 < sandraqu> hello, 
20:26 < sandraqu> so i have the pm in the pm directory
20:26 < sandraqu> now, i nkow i have to add it to some other file
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20:28 <+perlDreamer> sandraqu, is the macro.pm file in /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Macro/ ?
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20:29 < sandraqu> yes
20:29 <+perlDreamer> okay, next check the permissions on the file.
20:29 <+perlDreamer> it should have the same permissions as the other files in that directory
20:30 <+perlDreamer> otherwise the web server won't be able to open it
20:30 < sandraqu> same as most other
20:30 < sandraqu> mostly read, unless owner
20:30 <+perlDreamer> okay, the next thing to do then, is to edit the webgui config file
20:31 < sandraqu> ah
20:31 <+perlDreamer> it will be in /data/WebGUI/etc/
20:31 < sandraqu>  
20:32 < sandraqu> how many layers out is the from where i was?
20:33 <+perlDreamer> is this server using the WRE?
20:33 < sandraqu> perl... dunno
20:33 < sandraqu> what is WRE?
20:33 <+perlDreamer> do you have a directory called /data/wre ?
20:33 <+perlDreamer> WRE is the WebGUI Runtime Environment
20:34 <+perlDreamer> If you're using a plain black server, it is highly likely that you are
20:34 < sandraqu> we are, so let's presume, yes
20:34 <+perlDreamer> well, we can check by looking to see if you have that directory I mentioned above
20:35 < sandraqu> perl, i do.  i went tinot data/webGUI/lib/WebGUI/Macro
20:35 < sandraqu> i went out too far though
20:35 < sandraqu> i'll begin again
20:35 < sandraqu> or - how can i print where i am?
20:36 < sandraqu> print directory
20:36 <+perlDreamer> try doing ls -ld /data/wre and see what it says
20:36 < sandraqu> got its listing
20:36 < sandraqu> one
20:36 < sandraqu> only one, that is
20:36 <+perlDreamer> good, that's what we told it to do
20:37 < sandraqu> so im in /data/WebGUI
20:37 <+perlDreamer> cd etc
20:37 < sandraqu> oh
20:38 < sandraqu> oh.. good
20:38 <+perlDreamer> inside there should be your webgui config files
20:38 < sandraqu> good
20:38 < sandraqu> yes
20:38 < sandraqu> vi config file?
20:38 <+perlDreamer> yes
20:38 <+perlDreamer> you know vi.  That is very good.
20:38 < sandraqu> perlD, enough :]
20:39 < sandraqu> i mean, i know it well enough
20:40 < sandraqu> i see, so under macros
20:40 < sandraqu> brb
20:41 < CIA-41> WebGUI: jt * r8808 /experimental/Automat/ (5 files in 3 dirs): mail server management
20:41 < CIA-41> WebGUI: jt * r8809 /experimental/Automat/sbin/ (23 files in 2 dirs): a little cleanup in aisle 4
20:41 < CIA-41> WebGUI: jt * r8810 /experimental/Automat/sbin/migration/ (updatedns.pl createdns.pl): forgot to add these scripts
20:41 < CIA-41> WebGUI: jt * r8811 /experimental/Automat/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Automat.pm: removed legacy code
20:42 <+perlDreamer> just add an entry, like the others, for your new macro
20:42 <+perlDreamer> be sure to put a comment at the end, unless it is the last macro in the list
20:43 < sandraqu> perlD - the first part is the call i make from webGUI? and the latter the actual pm filename (sans the pm).  yes?
20:43 <+perlDreamer> yes
20:43 <+perlDreamer> you should see the one for the gateway macro
20:43 <+perlDreamer> as an example
20:44 <+perlDreamer>  "/" : "Slash_gatewayUrl",
20:44 <+perlDreamer> so perhaps like this:
20:44 < sandraqu> :wq ?
20:44 < sandraqu> write quite
20:44 <+perlDreamer> when you're done, yes
20:44 < sandraqu> do i get to test now?
20:44 <+perlDreamer> no
20:44 <+perlDreamer> now you have to restart the server
20:44 <+perlDreamer> for that, you need root permissions
20:45 < sandraqu> hmm
20:45 < sandraqu> i have
20:45 <+perlDreamer> okay, first: cd /data/wre/sbin
20:45 < sandraqu> i thnk i willnow defer to plainblack
20:45 < sandraqu> the server drives many sites
20:46 < sandraqu> perlD, what does sbin do?
20:46 <+perlDreamer> inside sbin is an environment script which will guarantee you're using the WRE components, instead of the system defaults
20:46 <+perlDreamer> as root, you should do: . ./setupEnvironment.sh
20:47 <+perlDreamer> that's <dot> <space> <dot> <slash> setupEnvironment.sh
20:48 <+perlDreamer> and then you can run a script which will restart the servers
20:48 <+perlDreamer> but I agree that deferring to the experts is much safer and wiser
20:49 < sandraqu> perlD.  thank you for sharing your knowledge with me
20:49 <+perlDreamer> you're welcome, sandraqu.
20:49 < sandraqu> thanks to nuba too
20:49 < sandraqu> and SDuensin
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20:49 < sandraqu> no crash yet.  lots o learn :]
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20:57 < sduensin> Oops.  Wrong button!
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21:06 <@perlmonkey2> Yay for Paranoid::Debug freak'n me out and making me rush to see if my machine had just been turned into a smtp proxy.
21:07 <+perlDreamer> awfully selfish of you not wanting to share your machine ;)
21:13 <@perlmonkey2> awful paranoid of me to see a bunch of emails from my machine at the same time I'm trying to install a debugging module.
21:14 <@perlmonkey2> hmm, I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that wre 8.5 isn't compatiable with 7.3.17.
21:15 < apeiron> hi, JSON 2.0
21:15 < sduensin> 8.5 is from the FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUTURE!
21:15 <@perlmonkey2> apeiron: yeah, nothing made me happier than to look into my logs and get a fun dose of the past with those neat-o JSON errors.
21:16 < apeiron> perlmonkey2, I'm pretty sure there's a wiki page somewhere on how to get them to coexist...
21:16 <@perlmonkey2> yeah, I probably remember off the top of my head.  Just more fun to bitch about it here.
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21:55 < nuba> back
22:03 <@Haarg> perlmonkey2, if you have to deal with old versions of webgui, i would recommend using the Parse::PlainConfig off backpan instead of from cpan
22:04 <@Haarg> there is a way to get the new JSON to play nice with the old code, but it only works to a certain extent
22:04 <@perlmonkey2> Haarg: 8.1 with a few force installs made things easier.
22:05 <@perlmonkey2> And I really don't need it to work well.  Just work well enough that I can run upgrades against it.
22:05 <@Haarg> yeah
22:05 <@Haarg> i just didn't have a lot of luck with Paranoid
22:07 <@Haarg> for json, doing something like sub JSON::autoconv { return shift } sub JSON::skipinvalid { return shift } in preload.perl or similar may be enough to get old code working with JSON 2.0
22:08 <@perlmonkey2> hmm
22:08 <@perlmonkey2> interesting
22:09 < Bernd_> Any German native speaker online?
22:09 < Bernd_> I do have a translation question.
22:14 <+perlDreamer> Bernd_: Aren't you a native german speaker?
22:15 < Bernd_> Yes!!! But still I am unable to come up with an appropriate translation for "tags".
22:15 < Bernd_> Is it synonymous with "keywords"?
22:15 < Bernd_> What's your opinion, perlDreamer?
22:16 <+perlDreamer> Bernd_: tag in the context of "version tag", for example?
22:16 < Bernd_> No, tags for photos in the gallery.
22:17 <+perlDreamer> in that context, I think keywords is appropriate
22:18 < Bernd_> Good. "Keyword" I am able to translate. Thanks!
22:18 <+perlDreamer> as to the other usage, what do you call the pieces of paper on clothing that lists the price?
22:19 < Bernd_> Etikett?
22:19 < Bernd_> Preisschild?
22:19 < Bernd_> Etikett might do as well.
22:19 <+perlDreamer> version tag would have that kind of context
22:19 < Bernd_> But I think it is rather unusual and what confuse most users.
22:19 <+perlDreamer> something descriptive stuck onto something else
22:19 < Bernd_> would
22:20 < Bernd_> I think you got me wrong. I know what a tag is.
22:21 <+perlDreamer> oh, sorry
22:21 < Bernd_> I just think there is no equivalent word in the context of tagging photos.
22:21 < Bernd_> No problem.
22:21 < Bernd_> It is an honor to be taught by perlDreamer ;-)
22:21 <+perlDreamer> thanks :)
22:21 < Bernd_> You are welcome!
22:21 < Bernd_> How is hacking going?
22:26 <+perlDreamer> it's going okay
22:26 <+perlDreamer> I'm staying very busy
22:26 <+perlDreamer> fixing bugs, and writing tests for the Survey
22:27 < Bernd_> Leave something to the others :-P
22:27 <+perlDreamer> unfortunately, there are no lack of bugs to be fixed, or tests to be written
22:28 <+perlDreamer> although, perlmonkey2 is making it very hard to find bugs in his code
22:28 <@perlmonkey2> yeah right
22:28 <@preaction> that jerk
22:28 <@preaction> he should make more bugs so they're easier to find
22:28 <+perlDreamer> indeed
22:28 < Bernd_> Ugh, for a moment I was worried that plain black would run out of work ...
22:29 <+perlDreamer> uh, no.  They still have other coders to insert bugs.
22:29 < Bernd_> Are they doing it on purpose?
22:29 < Bernd_> Because I suspect so!
22:29 < Bernd_> Or why are there so many?
22:29 <+perlDreamer> partially due to the Bazaar, and the Helpdesk applications
22:30 <+perlDreamer> they are very new, and people really like to use them
22:31 < Bernd_> The HelpDesk is indeed buggy.
22:31 <+perlDreamer> it should get a little better today.  I fixed a bug in some of the core code that it uses.
22:31 < Bernd_> Or was at least.
22:32 <+perlDreamer> so at least it will format comments nicely
22:32 < Bernd_> Will I be able to open bug views again?
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22:32 < Bernd_> Cool, did you include some link-recognition?
22:33 < Bernd_> I had suggested that to rizen already.
22:33 <+perlDreamer> No, but it will handle newlines, and escape unsafe characters
22:33 < Bernd_> There is a CPAN module for doing that.
22:33 <+perlDreamer> link recognition would be a nice feature, but that would be an RFE
22:33 < Bernd_> Should not be too difficult.
22:33 <@perlmonkey2> Haarg: in the upgrades, the site I'm upgrading is using latin1 as table encoding and collation.  I should switch that to utf8, right?
22:33 < Bernd_> And would be very helpful indeed.
22:33 <@Haarg> in the upgrades?
22:33 <@perlmonkey2> Haarg: the special upgrade I'm doing.
22:34 < topsub> can asset proxy's be relative?
22:34 <@Haarg> the 7.5 upgrade should handle that
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22:35 < SDuensin> BACK AT LAST!
22:50 <+perlDreamer> perlmonkey2: please give commit 8813 a quick once over and let me know if that refactor is okay?
22:50 <@perlmonkey2> k
22:50 <@preaction> topsub: no
22:50 <+perlDreamer> https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/revision/?rev=8813
22:51 <@preaction> topsub: but you can do: ^AssetProxy(<tmpl_var url>/something);
22:51 <+perlDreamer> topsub, but since url's are strings, you can use macros to build relative urls
22:51 <+perlDreamer> also, see the RootUrl macro in the Bazaar
22:52 < topsub> ah, alright we are running multi sites from 1 webgui and looking at how to solve each site having different theme
22:52 < topsub> without having to redo the URLs everytime you want to setup a new site with a theme
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23:04 <+perlDreamer> It may be dangerous to hack while in a recliner
23:04 <@perlmonkey2> preaction: looks good, but I thought I was using the correct perltidy template.  Did you correct those by hand or with perltidy?
23:04 <@perlmonkey2> perltidy config I mean
23:05 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: I mean, not preaction
23:05 <+perlDreamer> The correction is inside a test.  Your code looks fine
23:05 <+perlDreamer> I needed less vertical space
23:05 <+perlDreamer> so i could see the whole data strucutre
23:05 <+perlDreamer> on 1 page
23:06 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: this seemed interesting though:  my @types = $self->getValidQuestionTypes(); 
23:07 <@perlmonkey2> Just trying to prettify things?
23:07 <+perlDreamer> well, sort of =)
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23:07 <+perlDreamer> I didn't want to duplicate the list of valid question types
23:07 <@perlmonkey2> oh, good call.
23:07 <+perlDreamer> so by refactoring it out, I can call it in the test to get the list
23:08 <+perlDreamer> although, I did do all the basic data types by hand, so going forward changes have to be made in both places.
23:08 <+perlDreamer> I don't really like doing that, but it's a great reminder to update template variables and the like
23:08 <+perlDreamer> when the code behind them change
23:09 <@perlmonkey2> maybe if this thing every gets settled down, the questions can be pulled out into Form and then the Form entries can have their individual templates and JS attached to them.  Would be nice to pull all that logic out of the Survey.
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23:09 <+perlDreamer> would we reuse it elsewhere?
23:10 <+perlDreamer> and the corresponding parts of the updateQuestionAnswers depends on those
23:11 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: I can see the ajax'd form types being pulled out of the survey and being very useful elsewhere.
23:12 <@perlmonkey2> but there would have to be be some surrounding framework devised.  Sounds like something that needs to be grown iteratively rather than designed.
23:13 <+perlDreamer> I see
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23:19 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: I don't know, am I wrong?  Is there already an agreed upon framework for implementing ajax'd forms?
23:19 <+perlDreamer> No, there's no framework yet.  I was responding to the evolved vs designed idea.
23:19 <+perlDreamer> I like it
23:20 <+perlDreamer> sometimes things can be overdesigned
23:20 <+perlDreamer> or not extensible enough
23:30 <+perlDreamer> rizen: the bummer about Plain Black shirts is that they don't hide pumpkin soup stains
23:30 <@rizen> do any shirts hide pumpkin soup stains?
23:31 < SDuensin> Orange ones.
23:31 <+perlDreamer> some plaids do well
23:31 < SDuensin> Tie-dye!
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23:38 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: why would anyone waste a perfectly good pumpkin on soup?  Is there such a plethora of pumpkin pie, that you would squander them on soup?  Sir, I think not.  
23:38 < SDuensin> perlmonkey2, we're talking about rizen here.
23:38 <+perlDreamer> You'll have to convince Koen and my wife of that.  I am only a consumer of locally, produced, freely available food here :)
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23:40 <@rizen> given the choice between pie and soup, i take pie every day of the week
23:41 <+perlDreamer> chicken noodle pie, mmmmmm
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00:32 <@preaction> two questions for those at home:
00:32 <@preaction> 1) Would storing prepared SQL statements so they don't have to be prepared ever again during the current request count as "caching" and should "disableCache" disable this functionality?
00:33 <@preaction> 2) Is a performance increase that is only significant when caching is disabled still a performance increase? It's in WebGUI::SQL::buildArray and WebGUI::SQL::buildArrayRef
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00:38 <+perlDreamer> I don't see any performance increase in buildArray
00:39 <+perlDreamer> or buildArrayRef
00:39 <@preaction> it's not committed yet
00:39 <+perlDreamer> if it slows wG down overall, it doesn't seem like an increase to me
00:39 <+perlDreamer> the common case is with caching?
00:39 <@preaction> it doesn't, in speeds up wg overall, but just slightly
00:39 <@preaction> when caching is off you see the real benefit
00:40 <@preaction> otherwise the new code rarely gets hit
00:40 <@preaction> because there are caching mechanisms in front of it
00:40 <@preaction> for a single page view, it's a 1/3 performance increase (60s to 40s)
00:41 <+perlDreamer> 40 second page view?
00:41 <+perlDreamer> no way
00:41 <@preaction> for the routines themselves, it's a 2fold increase
00:41 <@preaction> caching is disabled
00:41 <@preaction> you'd be surprised how slow wg is with caching disabled
00:41 <+perlDreamer> I don't think that storing statements counts as caching
00:41 <+perlDreamer> since it would return different data with different params, or at different times
00:42 <+perlDreamer> and does all this code have tests?  and will it violate the 7.6 feature freeze?
00:43 <@preaction> it's deep in WebGUI::SQL, so i suspect it has tests, if not i'll have to do it
00:43 <@preaction> no, performance increases aren't features
00:43 <@preaction> the API isn't changing at all, just how the work gets done
00:43  * perlDreamer pastes that one for future reference ;)
00:44 <@preaction> it depends on how the performance is getting increased
00:44 <@preaction> if i started moving features around and changing APIs and stuff, then i would consider making it beta for a while
00:44 <@preaction> especially if i was working with untested stuff
00:45 <@preaction> i really need to get Coverage reports working. JT says he'll write tests if he can see a number
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00:47 <+perlDreamer> if you're tied for time, just send me the script
00:47 <+perlDreamer> coverage tests should be about 20 characters of change or so
00:47 <@preaction> one sec
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00:47 <+perlDreamer> but be warned, coverage tests for all of wG will be BIG and SLOW
00:48 <@preaction> how big? too big to upload via WWW::Mechanize?
00:48 <@preaction> i was thinking making it a ZipArchive asset
00:48 <+perlDreamer> 12 Mb
00:48 <@preaction> ha, the test box is DOWN, which might be why tests aren't getting run
00:49 <+perlDreamer> look in the dev list, I may have uploaded a copy last year about this time
00:49 <+perlDreamer> zipped, about 12 Mb.
00:49 <+perlDreamer> perlmonkey2: strongly resisting the temptation to add easter eggs to survey type answers
00:50 <+perlDreamer> Would redneck come before or after conservative in Ideology?
00:50 <@preaction> i would consider them equal and awful
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00:50 <@preaction> perlDreamer: you have a login to my systems
00:50 <+perlDreamer> PM me a hostname, username and passwd, please
00:51 < apeiron> redneck is more a lifestyle, independent of ideology.
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02:47 <+perlDreamer> Do people who send out SPAM know they're scum, or are they just ignorant?
02:50 <@preaction> money, they get money, so they're okay with themselves
02:50 <@preaction> i've thought about it
02:50 <+perlDreamer> really?
02:51 <@preaction> money for nothing, sure why not?
02:54 <+perlDreamer> well, then you'd get the chicks for free
02:54 <+perlDreamer> that ain't working
02:54 <@preaction> that's the way you do it!
02:54 <+perlDreamer> indeed
02:54 <@preaction> I WANT MY EMPTY-VEE
02:55 <@preaction> i also want pandora to stop screwing around
02:55 <+perlDreamer> pandora?
02:55 <+perlDreamer> she opened the box
02:55 <+perlDreamer> what more do you want?
02:55 <@preaction> www.pandora.com <- only the greatest free music service EVAR
02:56 <+Radix-wrk> last.fm?
02:56 <@preaction> paltry in comparison!
02:56 <+perlDreamer> perlmonkey2: SurveyJSON has 96% test coverage
02:56 <+Radix-wrk> pandora.com goes to a blank page for me
02:56 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: all the rednecks are covered?
02:57 <+perlDreamer> yup
02:59 <@preaction> Radix-wrk: pandora seems down atm, it will come up shortly i suspect
02:59 <+Radix-wrk> must be reeeallly good then if they can't even keep a server up ;)
03:04 <@preaction> yay! it's back up!
03:04 <@preaction> perlDreamer: Devel::Cover is installed on the test box now. the date was completely wrong which was causing the makefile to get regenerated
03:04 < apeiron> preaction, You forget that those outside of the US may not be able to access it.
03:04 <@preaction> it thought it was March 05, 08
03:05 <+perlDreamer> March was good
03:05  * apeiron shakes fist and spits at the RIAA
03:05 <+perlDreamer> I was employed then
03:05 <@preaction> apeiron: i hope not
03:05 <@preaction> it's got a lot of foreign music on it
03:05 < apeiron> preaction, No, it's certainly true.
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04:42 < patspam> would one of the PB folks be able to create a survey-rfe branch where we can put new survey features until the feature freeze is lifted?
04:43 < patspam> actually, the WebGUI_Survey2 branch still exists, maybe we should just use that?
04:43 <@preaction> patspam: you have committer access, you can just: svn mkdir https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/branch/Patbranch
04:44 < patspam> ah cool, thanks preaction
04:45 < patspam> good/bad idea to hijack the WebGUI_Survey2? I don't think it's being used any more by perlmonkey2?
04:48 <@preaction> if he's not using it he should probably delete it, just for the history's sake
04:48 < patspam> ok, cool. I'll create a new branch for the new stuff
04:56 < patspam> https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/branch/survey-rfe lives!
05:00 < patspam> perlmonkey2: ping
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05:59 <@perlmonkey2> patspam: pong
06:00 < patspam> hey man!
06:00 <+perlDreamer> I'm out for a while, being Daddy dentist...
06:01 < patspam> been talking to people today about advanced survey branching
06:01 < patspam> just drafting up an rfe for it now
06:01 <@perlmonkey2> anything interesting?
06:01 < patspam> yeah, although you might have already thought of this
06:02 < patspam> we want to let the survey creator enter an expression made up of section/question/answer vars to define the branch condition
06:03 < patspam> using a simple DSL, such as something similar to the language used in spreadsheet programs
06:03 < patspam> that was you can easily do branching based on the value of ANY previous response, sums, averages, you name it..
06:03 <@perlmonkey2> yeah, that had been something thrown around.  But really only thought about it in the next iteration.
06:04 <@perlmonkey2> exactly.  would be great stuff.
06:04 <@perlmonkey2> not hard to do.
06:04 < patspam> yeah, it's similar to what i did for Flux (arbitrary expressions for combining expressions)
06:04 <@perlmonkey2> probably could be squeezed into this one easily enough.  But I'm not sure what you mean about Sections though.
06:04 <@perlmonkey2> Sections don't have values unless you mean the set of questions in them.
06:04 < patspam> except the dsl needs to be more expressive so that you can do simple math things
06:04 <@perlmonkey2> hmm.
06:05 <@perlmonkey2> actually, that could be really easy.  But what about multiple branches of logic.  if,elseif, else.
06:05 < patspam> yeah, i was thinking it'd be nice if you could pass a section variable into things like AVG() and SUM() and it'd know how to hande em
06:05 <@perlmonkey2> I like it.  
06:05 < patspam> my thought was that you'd let people enter in a list of expressions, and the first one to match triggers the branch
06:05 <@perlmonkey2> there a lib that already handles this pidgin language?
06:06 < patspam> TARGET1: expression2
06:06 < patspam> TARGET2: expression2
06:06 < patspam> etc..
06:06 <@perlmonkey2> cool
06:06 <@perlmonkey2> need a popup editor then
06:07 < patspam> text area would be fine for the first iteration (at least for our needs)
06:07 < patspam> doesn't have to be pretty
06:07 <@perlmonkey2> hah, try to get that passed Steve
06:07 < patspam> heh, steve can always be bribed :)
06:08 < patspam> yeah I had a quick look on cpan, didn't find anything yet
06:08 <@perlmonkey2> err, past. you know what I meant :P
06:08 <@perlmonkey2> hmm, well, it should be easy enougn to implement.  Maybe add it as a new generic module for WG.
06:09 < patspam> for Flux i used a very limited whitelist of what could be entered in an expression, massaged it into valid perl, and then eval'd it 
06:09 < patspam> that way i got arbitrary boolean expression support for free, unlimited nesting, etc..
06:09 < patspam> but in this case we might want to parse it ourselves
06:10 < patspam> unless we make the syntax more perly
06:10 < patspam> but i was thinking something like the excel macro language would be the least scary for end users
06:10 <@perlmonkey2> Parse::RecDescent.  Then we don't have to use evil evals.
06:11 <@perlmonkey2> create a simple grammar and we're good.
06:12 <@perlmonkey2> could just rip off excel's macro lanauage.  or at least a useful subset.
06:12 < patspam> or use perl6 grammar/regexps :)
06:12 <@perlmonkey2> hah
06:12 <@perlmonkey2> that would be fun
06:13 <@perlmonkey2> But yeah, that would be really powerful stuff for branching.  But it wouldn't look nearly as sexy as it was in the current forms presented to the users.
06:14 < patspam> having trouble parsing that last sentence..
06:15 <@perlmonkey2> Right now, I don't know if people would grok how powerful it was if it was just presented in the edit form as another entry.
06:15 <@perlmonkey2> Eventually it should have its own panel with options and dialogs and fun things for the users to poke at and click on.
06:15 < patspam> yeah true
06:16 <@perlmonkey2> maybe a function builder.
06:16 < patspam> yep, we can be inspired by Excel there too
06:16 <@perlmonkey2> that would save having to create a grammar
06:17 < patspam> you'd still need the grammar, or a whitelist, or something equivalent, because you couldn't trust what the client submits
06:17 <@perlmonkey2> well if it was created in a builder, they wouldn't be able to enter anything not approved.
06:18 <@perlmonkey2> but whatever....those are pretty specific implementation details and we're a ways from that :P
06:18 < patspam> I'll have the RFE up in the hour
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16:05 <@perlmonkey2> It's 3pm on a Friday.  Is anyone overseas even still working?
16:05 <@perlmonkey2> Or is it beer-thirty yet?
16:14 <+BartJol> perlmonkey2: 
16:14 <+BartJol> still here
16:14 <@perlmonkey2> BartJol: you are hard core.  You absolutely need a raise.
16:14 <+BartJol> and working, even though it is Sinterklaas today
16:14 <+BartJol> Koen also said something like that
16:14 <+BartJol> and who am I to disagree
16:15 <@perlmonkey2> hah :)
16:15 <+BartJol> but 3 pm is a fairly normal time to be at work, even on fridays
16:16 <@perlmonkey2> BartJol: That's what The Man wants you to believe.  
16:16 <+BartJol> now I've got to fix a problem with rewrite rules and workflows
16:16 <+BartJol> ah :)
16:19 <+BartJol> joeri, martin and rory are also still working
16:19 <+BartJol> I think Koen too
16:19 <@perlmonkey2> Wow, and on a major holiday.  You guys are animals.
16:19 <@perlmonkey2> Killing the competition.  
16:21 <+BartJol> but my mouth is suffering from a lack of beer, it feels the weekend coming, just a few hours
16:23 <@perlmonkey2> BartJol: stay strong Bart, stay strong.
16:24 <+BartJol> :) I'll try, but it seems that this weekend is gonna be work related too :(
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17:09 < SDuensin> Morning.
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17:48 < Lisett1> if I'm doing a paydriver with another entity through which it would post the url return to WebGUI? would be the same in the store or do I have to put parameters? and from that subroutine should take the values of the parameters that are sending me?
17:53 <+BartJol> perlmonkey2: it's getting better, I have a beer
17:53 < SDuensin> BEER!
17:53  * SDuensin only has tea so far.
17:53 <+BartJol> yes
17:53 < SDuensin> #include <beer.h>
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17:53 < SDuensin> Oh wait.  That language may scare people here.
17:54 <+BartJol> but with a # it's commented, that's useless
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17:54 < SDuensin> Yea, in your little Perl language.  :-P
17:55 <+BartJol> Larry Larry Larry!
17:55 < SDuensin> :-D
17:55 <+BartJol> Lisett1: sorry I can't help you
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18:08 < jeffthewookiee> Frank you here?
18:09 <@khenn> yessir
18:09 < jeffthewookiee> Npinansky is working with me
18:09 < jeffthewookiee> We were asking if there's an API to check the status of a workflow and the completion time...
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18:16 < Lisett1> anyone have an idea?
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18:24 <@khenn> Lisett1:  I'm not sure I understand the problem.  I'm not very familiar with shop.  you may need to wait for rizen or perlDreamer to pop into the channel
18:30 < Lisett1> ok, i wait, thanks
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18:53 <+perlDreamer> morning folks
18:53 < SDuensin> Hey perlDreamer 
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18:58 < Lisett1> if I'm doing a paydriver with another entity through which it would post the url return to WebGUI? would be the same in the store or do I have to put parameters? and from that subroutine should take the values of the parameters that are sending me?
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19:17 <+perlDreamer> When I run Firebug and try to edit any asset, it gives me an error
19:17 <+perlDreamer> YAHOO.util.Easing is undefined
19:17 <+perlDreamer> should I add a call to the container in individual form elements that use it, or to getEditForm?
19:21 < SDuensin> Ooof.  Loading IE6 has angered the Macintosh.
19:25 <@Haarg> perlDreamer, as far as i know, that error doesn't matter
19:25 <@Haarg> it's in yui, and inside a try block
19:26 <@Haarg> to catch the error
19:26 <+perlDreamer> it prevents text resizing from working
19:26 <+perlDreamer> when I tell it to use animation.js, the error goes away and the resizing starts working again
19:26 <@Haarg> resizing on what type of text box?
19:26 <+perlDreamer> textarea and htmlareas
19:26 <+perlDreamer> this is in 7.5
19:26 <+perlDreamer> I'm going to try 7.6 now
19:27 <@Haarg> htmlareas have their own resize code so it shouldn't effect that
19:29 <+perlDreamer> oh, I think I understand now
19:29 <+perlDreamer> Firebug stopped on the error, even though it was in a try block
19:29 <+perlDreamer> and I didn't tell it to keep going
19:30 <+perlDreamer> so no resizing
19:30 <@Haarg> you are using the debugger?
19:30 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8827 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm: Document that canAdd is a class method
19:31 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8828 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/Textarea.pm): Fix resizing in textareas.
19:31 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8829 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm: canAdd is a class method
19:31 <@Haarg> bleh.  that code editor needs some work
19:32 <+perlDreamer> I was using the debugger.  There's something funny happening with the Insert WebGUI Image plugin.
19:32 <@Haarg> there a bug report for it?
19:32 <+perlDreamer> yes
19:32 <+perlDreamer> http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/9235
19:33 <+perlDreamer> It even came with complete instructions for dupicating the bug
19:33 <+perlDreamer> The one thing he left out, was that after doing the insert, it will show up in the RTE.  But after you save it, it goes away.
19:38 <@Haarg> i think it's the border
19:41 <+perlDreamer> I'll look into that.
19:41 <+perlDreamer> in the meantime, y'all can look at my business website and chortle
19:41 <+perlDreamer> http://web538.plainblack.net/home
19:42 <+perlDreamer> soon to be www.perldreamerconsulting.com
19:42 <+perlDreamer> It needs a lot more work and removal of default content
19:42 <@Haarg> it's the quotes
19:42 <@Haarg> www/extras/tinymce-webgui/plugins/wginsertimage/js/insertimage.js
19:42 <@Haarg> creates an image tag with mismatched quotes
19:42 <@Haarg> border="5' etc
19:43 <+perlDreamer> thanks, Haarg.  How did you do that so fast?
19:43 <+perlDreamer> Is it just practice?
19:55 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: I hope you already grabbed the domain
19:55 <+perlDreamer> I did
19:55 <@perlmonkey2> if it gets enough hits, godaddy will just grab it.
19:55 <+perlDreamer> just need the DNS info to feed back into godaddy
19:58 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, after fixing the border quotes to use double quotes, i get this js console error
19:58 <+perlDreamer> String contains an invalid character" code: "5
20:04 < snapcount> perlDreamer: any interest in webgui.us?
20:05 < snapcount> or anyone for that matter
20:05 < snapcount> I'm to lazy to actually use it for anything
20:05 <+perlDreamer> One business website and 1.2x full time consulting is keeping me pretty busy.
20:11 <+perlDreamer> nm, browser caching of scripts sucks
20:11 < snapcount> are you still working at the chip manufacturing place too?
20:11 <+perlDreamer> No, I got laid off
20:11 <+perlDreamer> I'm a freelancer now
20:12 < snapcount> well sorry to hear that and congrats at the same time =)
20:12 <+perlDreamer> thanks.
20:12 <+perlDreamer> I hear that people can have post-hardware careers in software :)
20:12 <+perlDreamer> brb
20:12 < snapcount> cool that you get to hack full time now
20:31 <+perlDreamer> it is nice
20:31 <+perlDreamer> I like working from home
20:31 <+perlDreamer> as long as I don't turn on the TV, it works really well
20:31 < SDuensin> Me too.  Gets kinda lonely though.
20:32 < SDuensin> I've been allowing myself a TV break at lunch to keep from going nuts.
20:32 <+perlDreamer> for now, hanging out on IRC helps a lot.
20:32 < SDuensin> And tunes.  Podcasts.
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20:55 <@Haarg> perlDreamer, did you figure out the problem?
20:55 <+perlDreamer> yes, client side script caching
20:55 <+perlDreamer> I'd fix it on the server, then wouldn't see changes in the browser
20:56 <+perlDreamer> I'm adding a firefox extension for a clear cache button in the toolbar to help with that.
20:58 <@Haarg> to track it down, i looked at the tag that was inserted in the editor using firebug.  it had an attribute 5="", which i figured meant something was malformed with the html it was trying to insert.
20:58 <+perlDreamer> I need to learn how to use firebug better, but that will come with time.
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21:33 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8831 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fix quoting problems in webgui tinymce image plug-in
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22:53 <+perlDreamer> how many hours does it take for a DNS change to ripple out?
22:53 <@preaction> perlDreamer: depends on the TTL and other factors, could be 20M could be 6H
22:53 <@preaction> usually it shouldn't be that long
22:53 <+perlDreamer> I'll be patient
22:55 < apeiron> Most places I've seen say to wait 24 hours.
22:56 < apeiron> perlDreamer, FWIW, I can resolve the name to 67.19.67.50 presently.
22:57 < apeiron> perlDreamer, May be your system's cache or your ISP's cache.
22:57 <+perlDreamer> probably
22:57 <+perlDreamer> it should be a 207 address
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23:18 < CIA-41> WebGUI: jt * r8832 /experimental/Automat/lib/ (4 files in 2 dirs): fixed a major bug where switching objects out from underneath could cause all kinds of chaos
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23:19 <+perlDreamer> perlmonkey2: You're not making this survey rfe easy...
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23:30 <+perlDreamer> cap10morgan, I looked at your bug.
23:31 <+perlDreamer> Shouldn't there be some notice that a singleton clashes?  I mean, how do you tell the difference between "hurried" workflows, and stuck workflows?
23:36 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: which one?
23:42 <+perlDreamer> RTEs into the survey
23:42 <@perlmonkey2> I don't think you have coverage on if the survey has timed out.
23:43 <@perlmonkey2> Patrick's "fix" looks like it broke it.
23:43 <+perlDreamer> Uh oh
23:43 <+perlDreamer> there's 0% coverage on Survey.pm right now
23:43 <@perlmonkey2> oh
23:43 <@perlmonkey2> well this would be in Response
23:43 <+perlDreamer> there's 96% coverage in SurveyJSON
23:43 <+perlDreamer> ResponseJSON would be next :)
23:43 <@perlmonkey2> ->hasTimedOut
23:43 <@perlmonkey2> oh, well there you go :)
23:43 <+perlDreamer> You want a quick test for that one?
23:44 <+cap10morgan> perlDreamer: yes, some indication would be good. but not an error. currently it returns undef, which the cron system, for example, interprets as "uh oh! something bad happened!"
23:44 <+perlDreamer> gotcha, cap10morgan
23:45 <+perlDreamer> and for everyone in channel, a piece of hard learned advice
23:45 <+perlDreamer> Don't use Clone with perl 5.10
23:45 <+perlDreamer> it doesn't work, randomly
23:45 <@Haarg> fun
23:45 < nuba> are we upped to 5.10 on webgui already?
23:46 <+perlDreamer> not unless you're doing a source install, nuba
23:46 < nuba> k
23:46 <@perlmonkey2> isn't the new wre supposed to be 5.10?
23:46 <@Haarg> that's the plan
23:46 <+perlDreamer> is it?  I wouldn't recommend it.
23:46 <+perlDreamer> There are modules we use that use Clone
23:46 <@Haarg> but we won't have 5.10 a prereq until 8.0 at least
23:47 <+perlDreamer> okay
23:47 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: clone is cheesy anyways.  Objects should be able to return a blessed copy of themselves if that is needed.
23:47 <@Haarg> objects maybe
23:47 <@Haarg> but what about data structures?
23:48 <+perlDreamer> Yeah, especially large survey based data structures from JSON?
23:48 <@perlmonkey2> there are none
23:48 <@perlmonkey2> they are objects
23:48 <@perlmonkey2> you never operate directly on JSON
23:48 <@perlmonkey2> one you can only use the JSON as blessed objects
23:49 <@perlmonkey2> one?  why did I start that with "one"?
23:49 <+perlDreamer> so getObject, newObject, copy and so on return blessed objects?
23:49 <@perlmonkey2> hold up
23:51 <@perlmonkey2> well those aren't from JSON.  And can't they call be copied safely with %copy = %{$ref}; ?
23:51 <@Haarg> somewhat
23:51 <@Haarg> that only copies one level though
23:51 <+perlDreamer> perlmonkey2, not deeply
23:52 <@perlmonkey2> hmm, do those contain references...yes they will
23:52 <+perlDreamer> you would not believe how many WebGUI bugs have been about deep reference copies handled poorly
23:52 <@perlmonkey2> bah, I should have stuck with the original model of everything an object.
23:52 < Lisett1> how to get the values of parameters on the other website send me?
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23:53 <+perlDreamer> Lisett1: perldoc WebGUI::Session::Form
23:53 < Lisett1> i'm  going to see, thanks
23:53 <+perlDreamer> perlmonkey2, it would have been slower, but would have copied easier since each object would handle its own copying
23:53 <+perlDreamer> that's not a bad tradeoff since copying is rare compared to instanciation
23:55 <+perlDreamer> okay, more js help, please
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23:55 <+perlDreamer> why is this line important to the RichEditor/HTMLArea: element.value = element.value.replace(/-/mg,"-");
23:56 <@preaction> perlDreamer: perhaps because those are two different unicode characters that look the same?
23:56 < Lisett1> where find an example?
23:56 <@Haarg> what file pD?
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23:56 <@preaction> Lisett1: everywhere you see session->form->process or session->form->get
23:56 <+perlDreamer> Lisett1: just grep for session->form->process
23:57 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, trying to shoehorn a richeditor into the survey for an rfe
23:57 <+perlDreamer> the HTMLArea form control does that
23:57 < Lisett1> process??? is not with paramsHashRef?
23:58 <@preaction> Lisett1: you could use either. two ways to do the same thing. try it and see perhaps?
23:59 < Lisett1> thanks, perDreamer
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00:00 <+perlDreamer> I gotta go pick up the kids from school.  Kathy's delivering a baby today.  bbiaw
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00:04 <@Haarg> i have no good explanation for that line perlDreamer
00:04 <@Haarg> it's very old
00:05 <@Haarg> 2004
00:11 < CIA-41> WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r8833 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/ (Survey/ResponseJSON.pm Survey.pm): Fixed hasTimeLimit to work with the new storage location of the time limit.
00:39 < Lisett1> how to do to say the url to session->form of which i want to get the parameters?
00:40 < Lisett1> new?
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01:07 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, I traced it back to svn rev 3 and stopped there, so yeah, it's way old ;)
01:07 <@Haarg> i looked at the actual commit it was introduced
01:08 <@Haarg> and nothing about the other things added help explain it
01:10 <+perlDreamer> that's right, you pulled in the old CVS history into your git repo, didn't you.
01:11 <+perlDreamer> well, in any case, I need to get the Survey to load that file so the rich editor can call it
01:11 <@Haarg> yeah
01:11 <@Haarg> i'd almost prefer to remove it
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01:19 <+perlDreamer> it works for me, but we should probably ask someone like rizen or khenn before doing it
01:20 <@khenn> I have no idea
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02:02 < WebGUI> good night all
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02:16 <+perlDreamer> go perlmonkey2, go!
02:17 <+perlDreamer> WebGUI: Has the new product hit the floor yet?
02:25 <+perlDreamer> perlmonkey2, just so you know, I'll be doing some POD commits to ResponseJSON
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02:40 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8836 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ (SurveyJSON.pm ResponseJSON.pm): 
02:40 < CIA-41> WebGUI: Update SurveyJSON POD for the new method.
02:40 < CIA-41> WebGUI: Add legal and header POD for ResponseJSON.
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17:04 <@perlmonkey2> oh, 2am, probably not
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17:43 <@perlmonkey2> Now that the Survey is inside a style, is it incredibly slow for anyone else?
18:24 < daviddelikat> any body know how to use the 'wgd' tool?
18:25 < daviddelikat> I'm trying to reset my install and I get an undefined subroutine
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22:16 <@preaction> daviddelikat: i suspect the only person who really knows how to use it is Haarg and he's not here
23:06 < daviddelikat> thanks
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23:41 < SDuensin> Anybody know if you can allow the user to enter a "size" in the store?  Building a jewelry site and all the rings need sizes entered.
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00:04 <@preaction> SDuensin: i think "size" was supposed to be some sort of a variant property
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00:05 < SDuensin> Was supposed to be?  Hmm.
00:34 <@preaction> iow you add a variant for the size
00:36 < SDuensin> Yea, but that's gonna take a craptastic amount of 'em.
00:37 <@preaction> there's no way to add arbitrary data to a product?
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00:50 < SDuensin> I don't see a way to allow the shopper to enter data about a product.  If that makes sense.
00:51 <@preaction> oh, you want the shopper to be able to enter what size they want
00:51 < SDuensin> Sizes can be from like 5 to 16 in half-size increments.  That's a crapload of variants.  Especially if there are already four styles in each size.
00:54 <@preaction> i believe there may have been something added to the Cart, some sort of comments field
00:54 <@preaction> but i'm thinking that a feature that would allow a shopper to enter details per-item would be a good idea
00:57 < nuba> ive shopped for jewelry online. that usually appears in a drop-down menu, and the sizes available vary from a product to another. ie. this ring is only available at this and that size, that other ring is available in the full range from size X to Y, etc.
00:57 < nuba> (i dont have a solution for you, im just trying to help with the description)
01:11 < SDuensin> nuba - Right, that's kind of what I picture in my head.
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00:23 < SDuensin> OH NO!
00:23 < SDuensin> You gotta be kidding me!
00:24 < SDuensin> The quantities for all zillion products I just entered are encoded inside a JSON string in the database?!
00:24 < SDuensin> Not exactly an easy way to bulk set that.  :-(
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17:21 < SDuensin> Good (panic) Morning.  (Panic) Help?
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17:39 < SDuensin> Haarg!
17:39 <@Haarg> morning
17:39 < SDuensin> [09:21]  <SDuensin> Good (panic) Morning.  (Panic) Help?
17:40 < nuba> hey SDuensin, sup?
17:40 < SDuensin> I think there's a serious issue in the shopping system.
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17:41 < SDuensin> (Loading SQL tables)
17:41 < nuba> this? SDuensin> The quantities for all zillion products I just entered are encoded inside a JSON string in the database?!
17:41 < SDuensin> Well, that's an annoyance.
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17:41 < SDuensin> I went to write a tool to handle that and found that my Product table doesn't seem to have any kind of unique key in it.
17:41 < SDuensin> I also have (apparently) bad data in the table already.
17:42 < nuba> awwwww.. crap
17:42 < nuba> i havent even looked in the general direction of the shopping system yet
17:42 < SDuensin> Yea.  I have a crapload of products up in a site I'm supposed to have finished already.
17:43 < SDuensin> I assume the assetId is supposed to be unique.  I've got a lot of duplicates.
17:45 < SDuensin> It's almost like when you edit a variant, another entry is created.
17:46 <@Haarg> the Product table is just like any other asset table
17:46 <@Haarg> assetId + revisionDate are the primary key
17:47 < SDuensin> Ok, that leads me to less panic.  :-)
17:47 < SDuensin> WTF is with that JSON inside the database?!
17:51 < SDuensin> Nobody wants to step up and own that one, eh?  :-P
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17:56 < nuba> huh
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18:07 <+perlDreamer> I worked on the TimeField form control over the weekend
18:07 <+perlDreamer> It's badly broken
18:07 <+perlDreamer> I'd love to get a review of the changes that I'm proposing
18:07 <+perlDreamer> any takers?
18:07 < SDuensin> perlDreamer!
18:07 <+perlDreamer> hola, SDuensin :)
18:07 < SDuensin> I'm trying to unpanic.  Then I can break things.
18:08 < SDuensin> perlDreamer, you added the paging to the Shelf for me, right?
18:08 <+perlDreamer> I believe so.
18:08 <+perlDreamer> I've fixed a lot of bugs over the last few weeks
18:08 < SDuensin> Is there a way to change the page size?  Or disable it?
18:09 <+perlDreamer> this is the new getValue subroutine for timeField: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d214b951f
18:09 <+perlDreamer> SDuensin, no there isn't.  It would be about a 20 minute RFE, though
18:10 <+perlDreamer> the values are hardcoded inside the paginator, unless some other value is provided
18:10 <+perlDreamer> although, it could be considered a bug that it's paginated but not configurable
18:10 < SDuensin> Maybe I can fix that bug later.  It's a deal breaker for something a client has requested.
18:11 <+perlDreamer> I can't think of anywhere else that we have non-configurable pagination...
18:12 <+perlDreamer> SQL Report is configurable
18:12 <+perlDreamer> Post is configurable
18:12 <+perlDreamer> brb
18:12 < SDuensin> God my quantity hack is ugly.
18:15 <+perlDreamer> quantity hack?
18:15 < SDuensin> Yes.  Follow up to my earlier mini-rant about having JSON inside the database.
18:16 <+perlDreamer> one more thing about timeField, it all started with this bug: http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/9063
18:16 <+perlDreamer> SDuensin, I agree that having JSON in the db does make hackery more difficult
18:17 < SDuensin> I'm gonna say it's a Bad Idea(tm).
18:21 <+perlDreamer> on the other hand, it made asset collateral quickly and easily versioned, and packagable.
18:22 < SDuensin> It's still fugly.
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18:23 < SDuensin> Grrr.  I got my quantities updated, but the site still says everything is out of stock.  Guess that's why people should use the API.
18:24 <+perlDreamer> SDuensin, would you like a little script to start with?
18:24 < SDuensin> I'd love one.  :-)
18:24 <+perlDreamer> ok, hang on a few
18:24 < SDuensin> Mine apparently creates a mess.
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18:29 <+perlDreamer> SDuensin, you want a paste or an email?
18:29 < SDuensin> Whatever is easiest.
18:30 < SDuensin> scott@jaegertech.com if you want.
18:31 <+perlDreamer> on its way
18:31 < SDuensin> Thank you!
18:31 <+perlDreamer> give me a holler if you have more questions
18:31 <+perlDreamer> I wrote the Product
18:31 < SDuensin> Oh, I will.
18:31 <+perlDreamer> well, updated it from old product to Sku
18:32 < SDuensin> Gonna keep at the JSON bit.  :-)
18:32 < SDuensin> Maybe wrap it so all the JSON key/value pairs end up in another table?  Then you could at least join tables together to query it.
18:37 < SDuensin> Thanks, perlDreamer - hacking away again.  :-)
18:38 <+perlDreamer> only one downside about that script, it does not make a versioned change
18:38 <+perlDreamer> so make backups, just in case
18:39 < SDuensin> No problem.  Got a backup.
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18:54 <+perlDreamer> bartjol: The Germans are on fire!
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19:25 <@perlmonkey2> heh, squirrel chewed through my cable's insulation.  I got tired of waiting for the repair guy, so wrapped it in electrical tape and took some old tin and bent it around the wire as a shield.  Back on the internet via Okie-Engineering.
19:28 < SDuensin> Nice!
19:30 < SDuensin> Hey perlDreamer - never messed with JSON in Perl.  What do I do about malformed JSON strings?
19:31 <+perlDreamer> reform them? :)
19:31 <+perlDreamer> I'd need more info to help you
19:32 < SDuensin> http://webgui.pastebin.com/m1349bf43
19:33 <+perlDreamer> oh, my bad I missed an array deref
19:34 < SDuensin> Yea, I got that.  But something is making JSON mad.  (Or is there another one missed?)
19:34 <+perlDreamer> line 2 should read foreach my $variant ( @{ $product->getAllCollateral('variantsJSON') } {
19:34 < SDuensin> Doesn't my foreach my $item line fix that?
19:35 <+perlDreamer> hm
19:35 <+perlDreamer> yes, but each item of the array is a hashref
19:35 <+perlDreamer> and it's better written without the extra foreach
19:35 < SDuensin> True.
19:39 < SDuensin> It's still POed when I try:  print "$variant\n\n";
19:39 <+perlDreamer> $variant would be a hashref
19:40 <+perlDreamer> they don't pretty print by default
19:40 <+perlDreamer> try use Data::Dumper; print Dumper $variant
19:40 < SDuensin> Ah yea.  Take a dump.  :-)
19:41 <+perlDreamer> I wonder if that's different in perl6
19:42 < SDuensin> I'm running under the WRE on Ubuntu.
19:42 < SDuensin> Even with Dumper it barfs on the malformed JSON string.
19:42 < SDuensin> Did I mention I didn't like JSON in the database?  :-D
19:46 <@perlmonkey2> SDuensin: the problem you mentioned the other day seemed like a pretty good reason to not have JSON.  All fine and dandy when the data is being used as designed.  But when you need to do some maintenance outside of the defined params, you have to write a small script.
19:47 < SDuensin> That problem is still my problem.  :-(
19:47 < SDuensin> Except now, using the API to access it (thanks to perlDreamer), it's mad because of bad JSON.
19:48 <@perlmonkey2> SDuensin: bad JSON you've created, or bad JSON from the DB?  The second sounds like a far larger problem.
19:49 <+perlDreamer> SDuensin, Dumper can't barf on bad JSON
19:49 <+perlDreamer> it's doesn't care what the data is
19:49 < SDuensin> perlmonkey2 - I'm trying to iterate over the products I have defined and set their quantity.
19:49 < SDuensin> perlDreamer - Tell Dumper that.
19:49 <+perlDreamer> SDuensin, how about a fresh paste of what you've got
19:50 <+perlDreamer> tavisto: wiki bug ping
19:50 < SDuensin> Sure.  Dumper isn't in it for the moment.
19:50 <@tavisto> um. hi
19:50 <@tavisto> perlDreamer: RFE asset Hamburgler over.
19:50 < SDuensin> http://webgui.pastebin.com/m34d1e8f3
19:51 <+perlDreamer> tavisto, I'd like to try and duplicate your wiki page is protected bug.  Could you please let  me know the URL of a protected page so I can try and hack it with malicious spam?
19:52 <+perlDreamer> SDuensin, what does Dumper complain about?
19:53 <@tavisto> I'll create a new one for you to test on. That will be a good thing for you to be an 3vilHaXoR on
19:53 < SDuensin> Well, I assumed it was Dumper.  I get the same error.  So maybe it's the first access to $variant is making it mad.
19:54 <@perlmonkey2> SDuensin: there isn't a call to JSON there.  The real error might be in getAllCollateral
19:54 < SDuensin> That's my suspicion.
19:55 <@perlmonkey2> probably line 263 of Product.  Try wrapping that call in an eval and outputting $@
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19:55 < CIA-41> WebGUI: jt * r8861 /modules/Config-JSON/ (7 files in 3 dirs): 
19:55 < CIA-41> WebGUI: v1.3.1
19:55 < CIA-41> WebGUI:  fix: #41525 Cleaning up temporary directory
19:55 < CIA-41> WebGUI:  Throws a better error message when trying to access an element of an array using a multi-level directive.
19:55 < CIA-41> WebGUI:  Writes config file directives in alphabetical order for easier human reading.
19:55 < CIA-41> WebGUI:  Better handling of UTF-8 data in the config file.
19:55 < CIA-41> WebGUI:  Better version numbers on prereqs.
19:56 <@perlmonkey2> SDuensin: but if that call is failing, you probably have something wrong with your JSOn in the DB.
19:56 < SDuensin> That's what my (panic) was for earlier.  
19:57 <@perlmonkey2> go grab the JSON directly from the DB and write a small little test script that just calls from_json on the pasted string.
19:57 < SDuensin> I can do that.
19:57 <@perlmonkey2> you might even be able to eyeball the bad chars.
19:58 < SDuensin> I'm going to restore the database just to be good and sure I haven't broken what WebGUI put there.
20:07 < SDuensin> Error still exists with the data I *know* was created by WebGUI.
20:09 < SDuensin> The only thing I see is that I have a couple entries in the database where the variantsJSON is equal to "[]".
20:10 <+perlDreamer> that would mean no variants
20:10 <@perlmonkey2> but you haven't cut and pasted a malformed string from the DB successfully?
20:10 < SDuensin> Working on that now.
20:10 <@perlmonkey2> "[]" should be a valid string.
20:14 < SDuensin> It is.
20:14 < SDuensin> Gonna write something to yank all the JSON from my DB and try to decode it.
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20:19 < SDuensin> Ok, now I'm confused.  My code parses everything fine.
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20:22 < SDuensin> Where is "from_json"?  I'm using $json->decode in my test.
20:23 < SDuensin> Nevermind.
20:23 < SDuensin> Duh.
20:23 < SDuensin> Crap.  Still works.  :-)
20:24 <@perlmonkey2> SDuensin: ah
20:24 <@perlmonkey2> j/s
20:24 <@perlmonkey2> from_json flips the utf8=>1 flag
20:24 <@perlmonkey2> I'm pretty sure
20:24 <@perlmonkey2> or maybe I have that backwards
20:24 <@preaction> encode / decode is the utf8 one i think
20:24 <+perlDreamer> from_json leaves the utf8 flag alone
20:25 < SDuensin> Here's the guts of my test script:
20:25 <@perlmonkey2> okay, then that shouldn't be it
20:25 < SDuensin> http://webgui.pastebin.com/m7ebc1c7e
20:25 < SDuensin> It reads it right from the same database I get the error from.
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20:32 <+perlDreamer> SDuensin, please try this and paste the output: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d1b94cf33
20:36 < SDuensin> http://webgui.pastebin.com/m547dada7
20:37 <+perlDreamer> that JSON subroutine should use croak, so we can see where it's called from
20:37 < SDuensin> Would be helpful, wouldn't it?
20:37 <+perlDreamer> indeed
20:37 < SDuensin> I'd hack it, but this is my live server.
20:38 <+perlDreamer> new one for you: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d31a52578
20:38 <+perlDreamer> let's see the actual JSON itself this time
20:39 < SDuensin> Same error bud.
20:40 < SDuensin> Doesn't seem to matter what is inside the while loop.
20:40 < SDuensin> I put:  print "Crap."; 
20:41 < SDuensin> Still does it.
20:41 <+perlDreamer> SDuensin, that's not possible.  The class does no JSON processing unless you ask for it
20:41 <+perlDreamer> there's something else going in
20:41 <+perlDreamer> on
20:41 < SDuensin> I'd say.
20:41 <+perlDreamer> can you please paste the whole script?
20:41 < SDuensin> Trying.
20:43 < SDuensin> http://webgui.pastebin.com/m607931c
20:45 <+perlDreamer> how do you invoke the script?
20:45 <+perlDreamer> and where do you run it from?
20:45 < SDuensin> perl setMaxQuantities.pl --configFile ut.jaegertech.net.conf
20:45 < SDuensin> From /data/WebGUI/sbin
20:46 < SDuensin> (After setting the environment.)
20:46 <+perlDreamer> please comment out lines 44-48 and run it again for me
20:47 < SDuensin> Same.  The config file corrupt maybe?
20:48 <+perlDreamer> yes
20:49 <+perlDreamer> the favorite config file gaffe is dangling, perl-style commas, or missing commas in the middle of lists
20:49 <+perlDreamer> is this config file being used on your live site right now?
20:49 < SDuensin> Yea.
20:49 < SDuensin> I don't remember editing it by hand.  Checking.
20:50 <@Haarg> dangling commas shouldn't be a problem at this point.  but missing commas certainly can be.
20:51 < SDuensin> I don't see anything.  testEnvironment loads it, doesn't it?
20:52 < topsub> Radix_, just used ur lightbox2 package.. thanks! ported it to be used with a folder asset instead but you saved me from importing all the files
20:53 < SDuensin> testEnvironment passes with flying colors.
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20:59 <+perlDreamer> SDuensin, try to run the default utility skeleton
21:00 < SDuensin> That works.
21:01 <+perlDreamer> this is nuts
21:01 < SDuensin> hehe
21:02 < SDuensin> I told you guys I was good at breaking things.
21:02 <+perlDreamer> well, next, please remove the use WebGUI::Asset* lines
21:02 <+perlDreamer> and try the script again
21:02 <+MrHairgrease> you should try to run skeletor
21:02 <+perlDreamer> he did
21:02 < SDuensin> Remove them from which script?
21:02 <+MrHairgrease> and then summon heman to fix it all
21:03 <+perlDreamer> from the setMaxQ script
21:03 <+MrHairgrease> dunno what the prob is btw.
21:04 < SDuensin> Commented the two lines out.  Error is still there.
21:05 <+perlDreamer> new paste, please
21:05 <+perlDreamer> either that, or a login
21:06 <+perlDreamer> SD, when you ran the utility script, did you give it your config file?
21:06 < SDuensin> Yes.
21:07 <+MrHairgrease> perl setMaxQuantities.pl --configFile ut.jaegertech.net.conf 
21:07 < SDuensin> Pastebin is being slooooooow.
21:07 <+MrHairgrease> should that be
21:07 <+MrHairgrease> perl setMaxQuantities.pl --configFile=ut.jaegertech.net.conf 
21:07 <+MrHairgrease> try that
21:07 <@Haarg> it should work either way afaik
21:08 <+MrHairgrease> ok
21:08 < SDuensin> Yea, same error with the ='s.
21:08 <+MrHairgrease> never used it without the =
21:08 <+perlDreamer> brb
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21:10 <@Haarg> i never saw the exact error message, what was it?
21:10 < SDuensin> Use of uninitialized value in subroutine entry at /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/Config/JSON.pm line 135.
21:10 < SDuensin> malformed JSON string, neither array, object, number, string or atom, at character offset 0 ["(end of string)"] at /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/Config/JSON.pm line 135.
21:10 < SDuensin> Hey rizen 
21:10 <@rizen> howdy
21:10 <@Haarg> so it isn't finding the config file for some reason
21:10 <+MrHairgrease> hi 
21:11 <@Haarg> can't get to pastebin atm, so i'm not sure
21:11 < SDuensin> No idea.
21:11 <+MrHairgrease> sduensin, where is your script and from what directory are you running it?
21:11 <+MrHairgrease> yea, pastebin is down
21:12 < SDuensin> In /data/WebGUI/sbin
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21:13 <+perlDreamer> SDuensin's powers of desctruction are strong, and widespreda
21:13 < SDuensin> You have no idea.  :-)
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21:14 <+MrHairgrease> can you try with another util script
21:14 <+MrHairgrease> say, file import or so?
21:15 < SDuensin> testEnvironment runs fine.  So does the skeleton with that config passed to it.
21:15 <@rizen> did you try tripple clicking?
21:15 <@Haarg> what is the difference between your script and the skeleton?
21:16 <+perlDreamer> I think it's browser caching
21:16 < SDuensin> ?
21:17 <@rizen> oh i know
21:17 <@rizen> you forgot to do the big thing to make it go
21:17 <+MrHairgrease> quadruple clicking?
21:17 <+MrHairgrease> prayer?
21:17 <+MrHairgrease> make it bug free?
21:19 <+MrHairgrease> sduensin, could it be that there are weird characters in the conf file?
21:19 <+MrHairgrease> you can check that by opening it in vim
21:19 <+MrHairgrease> and then do
21:19 <+MrHairgrease> :set invlist
21:19 < SDuensin> I doubt it.  The site is running off that file.
21:19 <+MrHairgrease> oh
21:20 <+MrHairgrease> hmmm
21:20 < SDuensin> And (for once) I didn't screw with it.  :-)
21:20 <+MrHairgrease> can you email me your code?
21:20 <+MrHairgrease> I'll have a look at it
21:21 < SDuensin> http://rafb.net/p/XwN4CR43.html
21:21 <+MrHairgrease> ah
21:21 < SDuensin> (Alternate pastebin thingie.)
21:21 <+MrHairgrease> another pstebin
21:21 < SDuensin> There's a bunch of 'em.
21:22 <@Haarg> and the file is in sbin, and you are running it from there?
21:22 < SDuensin> Yep
21:22 < CIA-41> WebGUI: translation * r8862 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/ (6 files): Update from translation server
21:22 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8863 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
21:22 < CIA-41> WebGUI: Have Operation/Cron log a warning instead of an error when trying
21:22 < CIA-41> WebGUI: to rerun a singleton, long-running workflow.
21:23 <+MrHairgrease> well
21:23 <+MrHairgrease> somehow the configFile parameter is not parsed correctly
21:24 <+MrHairgrease> $configFile is undef
21:24  * SDuensin didn't do it.  Honest.  :-P
21:24 <+MrHairgrease> configfile=s'=>\$configFile,
21:24 <+MrHairgrease> you did
21:24 <@Haarg> wait
21:24 <+MrHairgrease> F
21:24 < SDuensin> ?
21:24 <@Haarg> it parses the config file option twice
21:24 <+MrHairgrease> configfile != configFile
21:25 <+MrHairgrease> yeah that too
21:25 <@Haarg> they are equal for Getopt::Long
21:25 <@Haarg> unless you set a specific option
21:25 <+MrHairgrease> b/c of the first GetOptions with the wrong param
21:25 <+MrHairgrease> the second with the correct param doesn't work
21:25 <@Haarg> the double call to GetOptions is the problem
21:25 <@preaction> is this the SVN HEAD skeleton?
21:25 <@preaction> i swore i fixed it
21:26 < SDuensin> preaction - I'm sure I broke it.
21:26 <+perlDreamer> preaction, it's from 7.5
21:26 <+perlDreamer> and the skeleton is fine in there
21:26 <@preaction> yeah, that looks like an older one
21:26 <@Haarg> you can just remove the GetOptions call inside start
21:26 <+MrHairgrease> and the my $configFile
21:26 <@preaction> no, because then start doesn't have the config file
21:26 <+MrHairgrease> it has
21:26 <@preaction> it's not getting passed in in this version
21:26 <@preaction> oh, i see
21:26 <+MrHairgrease> since $configFile is global too
21:27 <@preaction> abusive scoping :p
21:27 < SDuensin> I removed the one at the top.  Error is gone!
21:27 < SDuensin> Now if we can just rid ourselves of the JSON to begin with...   :-P
21:27 <+MrHairgrease> funny that GetOpt is case insensitive btw.
21:28 <+MrHairgrease> never thought it would be.
21:28  * MrHairgrease rather scopes abuse =)
21:28 <+perlDreamer> now that everyone is here, does anyone care to comment on the timeField form fixes I proposed earlier?
21:29 <+perlDreamer> if not, I'll just go ahead and commit it
21:29 < SDuensin> Ok, I forgot to eat.  I need to do that.  Back in a bit.
21:29 <@Haarg> Getopt::Long is case insensitive for long options by default, case sensitive for short options.  that can be configured though.
21:30 <@Haarg> you have a link perlDreamer?
21:30 < SDuensin> Thanks gang.
21:30 <+perlDreamer> http://webgui.pastebin.com/d214b951f
21:30 <+perlDreamer> http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/9063
21:31 <@Haarg> can you make a different paste?
21:31 <@Haarg> pastebin is still unreachable
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21:32 <+perlDreamer> http://rafb.net/p/SOAUlP11.html
21:33 <+perlDreamer> I built a test script for it with about 26 tests, testing with and without format=mysql, and with different kinds of inputs
21:33 <+BartJol> perlDreamer: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9244
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21:34 <@Haarg> so that is eliminating the format detection based on defaultValue?
21:36 <+perlDreamer> yes
21:36 <+perlDreamer> because I don't think it matters
21:37 <+perlDreamer> I'll add some more tests to make sure of that
21:40 <+perlDreamer> yes, it doesn't matter when you call getValue.  defaultValue is only supposed to be when no value param is supplied to the form element
21:41 <+perlDreamer> so getValue either sees posted form params, or arguments
21:41 <+perlDreamer> and the call to super will resolve that
21:41 <@Haarg> yeah, but the idea is that if something sets the defaultValue to 00:00:00, they always want a mysql time format
21:41 <@Haarg> and if they set it to 0, they always want an epoch time
21:42 <+perlDreamer> so it's supposed to autodetect it?
21:42 <+perlDreamer> instead of using the well documented and defined format argument?
21:42 <@Haarg> that was the idea
21:42 <@Haarg> i think format came later
21:42 <@Haarg> since we knew that the defaultValue thing was nasty
21:43 <+perlDreamer> what gets priority if they're different?
21:43 <+BartJol> mm, is Send with a "d" past time or more a command?
21:44 <@Haarg> if which is different?
21:44 <@Haarg> defaultValue and format?
21:44 <+perlDreamer> yes
21:44 <@Haarg> i would say format
21:44 <+BartJol> like in Account_Inbox the label Send, are these messages that should be send or already been send?
21:44 <+MrAfkGrease> bart: I think it's with a t
21:44 <+perlDreamer> okay, I'll rework the tests, then the patch, then the docs and then post for reconsideration
21:45 <+BartJol> it is with a t? that's usefull
21:45 <+BartJol> what it?
21:45 <+MrAfkGrease> oh
21:45 <+BartJol> :)
21:45 <+MrAfkGrease> i read your question wrong
21:45 <+perlDreamer> BartJol: If you hit the "Send" button in the past, your email was sent.
21:45 <+MrAfkGrease> passed tense of send is sent
21:45 <+MrAfkGrease> so it's prolly a command
21:45 <+BartJol> indeed it is
21:45 <+MrAfkGrease> what the context?
21:46 <+BartJol> there isn't, that's why I'm asking
21:46 <+MrAfkGrease> ah
21:46 <+MrAfkGrease> well what colins says
21:46 <+MrAfkGrease> =)
21:46 <+BartJol> context in the latest i18n is terrible...
21:47 <+MrAfkGrease> i probably is
21:47 <+perlDreamer> BartJol, that is a button label.  it's i18n'ed in the template using the macro
21:47 <+MrAfkGrease> but i meant more the sentence embedding the word
21:47 <+MrAfkGrease> which isn't there if it's just a button label...
21:47 <+BartJol> there wasn't a sentence either
21:48 <+perlDreamer> and it should be "Send", the command
21:48 <+BartJol> just the word "Send", that makes it hard to understand
21:48 <+perlDreamer> indeed
21:48 <+perlDreamer> you should ask the Account maintainer to give some context in the i18n file to help you out, or just keep asking questions in channel ;)
21:48  * perlDreamer goes running
21:49 <+MrAfkGrease> just translate it with Verzenden and be iun peace
21:49 <+BartJol> who's trying to bug me by leaving all context? are it tha germans, the spaniols or arabics paying PB?
21:49 <+BartJol> already did that MrAfkGrease
21:50 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8864 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Forward porting singleton warn vs error for Cron.
21:50 < CIA-41> WebGUI: translation * r8865 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/Account_Profile.pm: Update from translation server
21:50 <+MrAfkGrease> very good
22:07 <+BartJol> perlDreamer: I like it better to ask here, but next time I'll bother the responsible person, In this case it would have been Frank
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22:56 < CIA-41> WebGUI: translation * r8866 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/Account_Inbox.pm: Update from translation server
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23:20 < SDuensin> In the Product asset, where is the actual template represented by <tmpl_var buy_options> ?
23:41 <+perlDreamer> SDuensin, ack (or ctags in vim) answers questions very quickly ;)
23:41 < SDuensin> Eh?
23:41 < SDuensin> Yea yea.
23:41  * SDuensin is reading how to "fix" the Shelf.
23:42 <+perlDreamer> ?fix?
23:42 <+perlDreamer> for pagination?
23:43 < SDuensin> Yes.
23:43 <+perlDreamer> You want me to walk you through it?
23:43 < SDuensin> If you have time.  I think I get the gist of it.  Not looked up the internationalization stuff yet.
23:44 <+perlDreamer> well, hack on.  and holler if you get stuck
23:44 < SDuensin> I need to add the paginateAfter to the database, add the properties, and use the properties when the paginator is created.  Right?
23:45  * SDuensin bought the spiffy Developer's Guide.
23:45 <+perlDreamer> SDuensin, that's it exactly
23:45 < SDuensin> Cool.  :-)
23:47 < SDuensin> That's looking like my first contribution to the code.  It's a must-have for my client.
23:47 <+perlDreamer> file a bug for it
23:47 < SDuensin> ok
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23:53 < SDuensin> Just out of curiosity, why is all the i18n stuff in modules and not a DB table?  Speed?
23:53 <@Haarg> yes
23:54 < SDuensin> I did a BBS some time ago and did it all in the database.  I can see how a busy site would crumble with that kind of set up.
23:55 <+perlDreamer> khenn, in the account system, what is the difference between a layout template and a view template?
23:56 <+BartJol> tavisto: did you see my private message?
23:59 < SDuensin> Whoever can assign tickets, please give me 9250.
23:59 <+perlDreamer> SDuensin, only the elect can assign tickets
23:59 <+perlDreamer> just post a comment saying that you're working on it
23:59 < SDuensin> OK
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00:03 <+perlDreamer> BartJol, about your i18n bug, how does this sound
00:03 <+perlDreamer> Choose a layout from the list to display the various account plugins that are usable by the current user as well as the contents of the one currently chosen
00:04 <+BartJol> if you change "one" to plugin it's clearer I think
00:05 <@tavisto> bartjol, nice work
00:05 <+perlDreamer> will do
00:05 <+BartJol> thanks
00:07 <+BartJol> perlDreamer: thanks
00:09 <+perlDreamer> you're welcome, BartJol.   You do the community a big service by feeding those bugs back to us
00:10 <+BartJol> small changes, but it looks much more neat indeed
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00:11 < CIA-41> WebGUI: jt * r8867 /experimental/Automat/lib/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
00:11 < CIA-41> WebGUI: many bug fixes
00:11 < CIA-41> WebGUI: added service login config option
00:11 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8868 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Fixed some Account i18n typos.
00:18 <+perlDreamer> I hate thingy
00:18 < SDuensin> hehe
00:18 < SDuensin> Thingy is *so* close to being awesome.
00:19 <+BartJol> perlDreamer: why, because it's mainly a Dutch product?
00:19 <+perlDreamer> No.
00:19 <+perlDreamer> Number 1 reason: I really don't understand it or how to properly use it.
00:19 <+perlDreamer> Number 2 reason, it's new and buggy
00:19 <+perlDreamer> I like Dutch things
00:20 <+BartJol> mmm, can understand your reasons
00:20 <+perlDreamer> Dutch people, dutch soups, dutch stroopwaffeln and dutch code
00:20 <+BartJol> stroopwafels, we're not german
00:20 <+BartJol> :)
00:21 <+perlDreamer> my bad :)
00:21 <+BartJol> Dutch isn't easy
00:22 <+BartJol> it's an unreliable language, too much exceptions
00:23 <+perlDreamer> Oh, you mean compared to an easy language, like English?
00:23 <+BartJol> no just generally
00:24 <+BartJol> but you're right each language probably has that
00:24 <+BartJol> but spelling of words depends on grammar with no clear rulea
00:24 <+perlDreamer> indede
00:24 <+perlDreamer> indeed
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00:24 <+perlDreamer> indead
00:25 <+BartJol> indeat
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00:43 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8869 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm): Fix searching in the Thingy view screen.
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01:30 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, is the TimeField supposed to convert to the desired format, or just validate it?
01:30 <@Haarg> convert to
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02:20 < CIA-41> WebGUI: jt * r8871 /experimental/Automat/sbin/migration/fixmxwithoutindex.pl: fixes the data for a bug that was in MailServer.pm
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02:50 < CIA-41> WebGUI: jt * r8873 /experimental/Automat/ (sbin/Automat-taskRunner.pl lib/Automat/MailServer.pm): bug fixes
02:50 < CIA-41> WebGUI: jt * r8874 /experimental/Automat/sbin/Automat-taskRunner.pl: forgot to eval and exit the loop
02:54 <+perlDreamer> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzO1mCAVyMw
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03:23 <+perlDreamer> patspam: ping
03:27 < patspam> perlDreamer: pong
03:28 <+perlDreamer> never mind, I think I got it.
03:28 <+perlDreamer> The defaultValue is fine in the actual thingy table, it's only limited in the fields table.
03:28 < patspam> yeah, Thingy_fields
03:28 < patspam> man you're quick!
03:28 < patspam> i submitted that like 45mins ago ;)
03:29 <+perlDreamer> I just finished up a bug
03:29 <+perlDreamer> and you always submit good bug reports
03:29 <+perlDreamer> lots of detail, and sometimes patches
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03:32 < patspam> i was a professional bug reporter during uni
03:33 < patspam> ..at Infogrames (a game company)
03:33 <+perlDreamer> working at a game company sounds very fun
03:33 < patspam> that was a pretty good rort, being paid to play games all day =p
03:33 < patspam> yeah, except after about 6 months on the same, crap, buggy game....
03:34 <+perlDreamer> actually, that's kind of how I feel now (previous sentiment)
03:34 <+perlDreamer> I'm getting paid to hack perl code
03:34 <+perlDreamer> No one yells at me about schedules, or wants me to remotely debug buggy tester hardware
03:34 < patspam> heh, just wait till you've had 6 months on the same, crap, buggy, .... heh just kidding
03:35 <+perlDreamer> it'll change a little.  Instead of crappy, buggy 7.6, it will be crappy, buggy 7.7 ;)
03:37 < patspam> and at least you get to hack on the game itself, it was crap only being able to submit bugs and not actually fix stuff
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03:48 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8877 /WebGUI/docs/ (changelog/7.x.x.txt upgrades/upgrade_7.6.5-7.6.6.pl): Forward port Thingy_fields defaultValue size fix.
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05:18 <+perlDreamer> preaction, when you import ical feeds into a calendar, is everything supposed to come over?
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06:38 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8878 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Have the calendar emit and read the ical LOCATION field.
06:38 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8879 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Forward port Calendar location field fix in ical.
07:05 <+perlDreamer> More iCal fun in the morning.  Good night, all.
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17:01 <@perlmonkey2> BartJol: hmm, you might just notify people as they probably forgot to put in the context.
17:03 <+BartJol> yeah, but it happens quiet a lot, and if I have to browse svn each time to look who forgot it it take me huge amounts of time
17:04 <+BartJol> if you find it a bit questionable if that posts should remain on the site, please remove
17:06 <+BartJol> and with questionable I mean that it could give an unprofessional impression
17:06 < SDuensin> Hey guys.
17:07 <+BartJol> perlmonkey2: so please do what you want with the post
17:08 <+BartJol> but it was in all changes in 7.6.4 and up
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17:23 <@perlmonkey2> BartJol: no, you make a very pertinent point.
17:25 <+BartJol> ok, I don't wanna make a big issue of it
17:26 <@perlmonkey2> BartJol: Adding context isn't a lot to ask of developers, and the i18n translations are very important.  
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17:27 <+BartJol> I don't know how much work it is, I can imagine that distracts you from the programming
17:29 < Lisette> I like to process variables delivered by a different page to a WebGUI paydirver
17:29 < Lisette> ?
17:34 <+BartJol> sorry Lisette, I don't know
17:39 < Lisette> i can't do a get from another website???
17:43 <+BartJol> it's hard to get the code underneath. I don't have that kind of stuff
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18:10 <+BartJol> mmm are more people having problems with the asset managerin 7.6.5? I don't see my assets
18:13 <+BartJol> probably some bad stuff done myself
18:15 < CIA-41> WebGUI: yung * r8881 /WebGUI/ (11 files in 6 dirs): Making Matrix edit listing screen templatable
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18:34 <+perlDreamer> Haarg: latest iteration on Form/TimeField, http://webgui.pastebin.com/df048e6f
18:35 <@Haarg> seems fine
18:36 <@Haarg> you may want to change the regex to use (?: ) but that's a pretty small nit
18:37 <+perlDreamer> yeah, we don't need to capture anything in there, just validate
18:37 <+perlDreamer> what time are you going to start the release?
18:38 <@Haarg> probably around 2
18:38 <@Haarg> central that is
18:38 <+perlDreamer> okay.  in addition to the timefield bug, I'd like to get the calendar iCal work in too, but it might be tight
18:39 <@Haarg> what is the ical issue?
18:39 < SDuensin> Morning perlDreamer & Haarg 
18:39 <+perlDreamer> yo, SDuensin
18:39 <+perlDreamer> It's kristi's ical bug from the boards
18:39 <+perlDreamer> not all info from events comes across
18:39 <+perlDreamer> Location was easy to add
18:39 <@Haarg> ah
18:39 <+perlDreamer> still thinking about related URLs
18:39 <+perlDreamer> and I don't think it's possible to do attachments
18:40 <+perlDreamer> the problem with related URLs is that they're group protected
18:40 <@Haarg> at some point we may want to change the Data & DateTime form controls to be like what you have for time there
18:41 <@Haarg> they work properly afaik, but it isn't completely obvious what everything is doing
18:41 <+perlDreamer> Oh, as far as the layout and logic?
18:51 <+perlDreamer> gym time
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19:17 < SDuensin> Whoo hoo!  My first "fixed" Wobject!
19:17 < SDuensin> Nothing like doing 10 minutes of work over two days.  <sheesh>
19:20 < SDuensin> And it works!
19:20 < SDuensin> :-)
19:34 < SDuensin> Hey gang, since this is my first change to WebGUI core, would someone look at what I did before I commit it?  It's only a few lines.  I can send the files or a diff.
19:36 <@perlmonkey2> SDuensin: I'll look at it if you want.  You can just pastebin it or whatever.
19:37 < SDuensin> ko
19:49 < SDuensin> Ok, perlmonkey2 - Sorry.  Was on the phone.
19:50 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8882 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (lib/WebGUI/Form/TimeField.pm t/Form/TimeField.pm): 
19:50 < CIA-41> WebGUI: Fix the timeField form control so that times don't creep.
19:50 < CIA-41> WebGUI: Add tests. Lots of tests.
19:50 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8883 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: Document time field form fix.
19:50 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8884 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix the TimeField form control, and add lots of tests.
19:51 < SDuensin> perlmonkey2 - First file:  http://webgui.pastebin.com/m40bc82c7
19:52 < SDuensin> Second:  http://webgui.pastebin.com/m3f50bec5
19:52 < SDuensin> Massive database change:   ALTER TABLE Shelf ADD paginateAfter INT NOT NULL DEFAULT '25';
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19:58 < perlmonkey21> SDuensin: I missed everything after the database update
19:59 < SDuensin> There wasn't anything.  :-P
19:59 < SDuensin> [11:51]  <SDuensin> perlmonkey2 - First file:  http://webgui.pastebin.com/m40bc82c7
19:59 < SDuensin> [11:52]  <SDuensin> Second:  http://webgui.pastebin.com/m3f50bec5
19:59 < SDuensin> [11:52]  <SDuensin> Massive database change:   ALTER TABLE Shelf ADD paginateAfter INT NOT NULL DEFAULT '25';
19:59 < SDuensin> That's all.
19:59 < perlmonkey21> oh, so no diff for Shelf?
19:59 < SDuensin> Oh.  I pasted the entire file.
20:00 < SDuensin> Manual Diff:  Lines 45-52.  Line 304.
20:01 < SDuensin> Language file starts at line 72.
20:01 < SDuensin> Minor changes.
20:02 < perlmonkey21> hmm, looks good to me.  
20:03 < SDuensin> I didn't look at the 7.6.x tree.  It needs put in there yet.
20:03 < SDuensin> BBIAF - Gonna get food before my teleconference starts.
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21:22 < SDuensin> Quiet in here today.
21:22 <+perlDreamer> muy
21:22 <+perlDreamer> did you get your pagination work done?
21:22 < SDuensin> Yep!
21:23 < SDuensin> I need to do it in 7.6.x and check it in.
21:23 < SDuensin> I'm watching a webinar on WaveMaker at the moment.  It's giving me crazy ideas.
21:25  * SDuensin wants to add a custom application builder to WebGUI.
21:26 <+perlDreamer> Isn't that what Thingy is supposed to be?
21:26 < SDuensin> But MORE!
21:26 < SDuensin> GUI layout, scripted logic for advanced stuff, etc.
21:37 <+perlDreamer> What's the URL for the staff blog on pb.com?
21:37 <+perlDreamer> for its RSS feed?
21:39  * SDuensin can't believe there doesn't seem to be a GUI Builder for YUI yet.
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21:48 <+perlDreamer> if anyone notices that the demo server is slow, it's my wife's fault
21:49 < SDuensin> hehehehe
21:49 <+perlDreamer> she likes the initial site designer
21:49 <+perlDreamer> maybe we need to fold that into the template wizard
21:49 < SDuensin> Me too, but my god!  What colors!   Ack!
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22:15 < Lisette> I like to process variables delivered by a different page to a WebGUI paydirver?
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22:54 < Lisette> i can do this in a workflow? http://webgui.pastebin.com/d6ea86eb9
23:00 <+perlDreamer> Lisette, not really.
23:00 <+perlDreamer> Workflows are not called with form parameters
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23:06 < Lisette> then how to do to get the values of those fields?
23:08 <+perlDreamer> you can't use a workflow
23:08 <+perlDreamer> you have to make an asset, operation, URL plugin or a Content plugin
23:09 <+perlDreamer> like making a new paydriver
23:09 <+perlDreamer> that is a Content plugin (sub-type)
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23:36 < Lisette> I like to process variables delivered by a different page to a WebGUI paydirver?
23:37 <@preaction> Lisette: and what have you tried?
23:37 <+perlDreamer> she tried to make a workflow
23:38 <@preaction> is this like a paypal thing? 
23:38 <+perlDreamer> sounds like a driver postback from gateway kind of thing
23:42 <@preaction> it would post back to some ?shop=cart;method=gatewayPostback or something?
23:49 < Lisette> yes
23:49 < Lisette> somethig like that you say
23:49 < Lisette> i have verified the value of a variable for to show the message thank you
23:50 < Lisette> i have this in a paydriver
23:50 < Lisette> perlDreamer the workflow was for a CS for the content managers can create products.
23:51 < Lisette> are two things different
23:51 <+perlDreamer> I see
23:53 < Lisette> are two different questions, the first is that if you could do in a workflow to be able to take the values and create the product through a collaborative system, and the second is how do I get to make a site that is not done and WebGUI obtain the values of the form
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00:06 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8886 /experimental/HelpDesk/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Ticket.pm docs/changelog): 
00:06 < CIA-41> WebGUI: Do not format the dateAssigned field if it's empty. Otherwise
00:06 < CIA-41> WebGUI: session->datetime will choose "now" as the time for you.
00:06 < CIA-41> WebGUI: translation * r8887 /translations/Polish/Polish/AuthWebGUI.pm: Update from translation server
00:15 < daviddelikat> so I'm just getting started here, diggin into tickets and code...
00:15 < daviddelikat> im working on http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9150 and steping through the JS code
00:15 < SDuensin> Howdy daviddelikat 
00:15  * SDuensin is a n00b, too.
00:15 < daviddelikat> what seems to be happenning is the 'add column' code is cloning the old column and it fails
00:17 <@preaction> daviddelikat: are you looking at the edit schema dialog code or the code that processes that dialog? there's no cloning going on with the actual datatable, just insert and delete
00:17 < daviddelikat> it is calling form.getelement('removeColumn_1')  but the column id is 'yui-gen3-button' 
00:17 < daviddelikat> I'm looking at the code that runs when you press the add column button
00:18 <@preaction> daviddelikat: but that's not the code causing the problem. the column is not added to the data table right away, only after Save is clicked
00:18 <@preaction> or maybe i'm wrong, the bug report is unclear
00:18 < daviddelikat> to be honest I couldn't say where it is in the system, fire bug put it up when i pushed the button
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00:20 < daviddelikat> it looks like it is trying to add a column to the table in the shadow box that pops up when you push the edit schema button.
00:23 < SDuensin> OK, when I do my changes for the Shelf, do you want me to add on to the latest upgrade package, too?
00:24 <@preaction> SDuensin: are you adding a feature or is it a bugfix?
00:24 < SDuensin> Kinda both.  It had no way to set the page size for pagination.
00:25 < SDuensin> So it does something new, but it's something it should have done anyway.
00:25 <@preaction> it's something new though, so a new feature, so it would have to go into a beta version, but we're under a feature freeze right now, so only JT can approve non-bugfix commits to HEAD
00:26 < SDuensin> OK, well I have the changes in my SVN here.  I can commit whenever.
00:26 < SDuensin> I really needed it for a client, so I'll just deploy to my own site for now.
00:26 < SDuensin> Maybe.
00:26 < SDuensin> :-)
00:27 <@preaction> personally, i'd make it into a patch and save it in /data/WebGUI/patches so that you can apply it again if you have to upgrade webgui before the change goes into core
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00:29 < SDuensin> Might do that.  Not gonna sweat it just yet.  I still have to write the rest of the crazy ass navigation system they want that needs it.
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00:35 <+perlDreamer> Does anyone know why the Product is set to be a container in the default WebGUI.conf file?
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00:41 <@Haarg> nope
00:42 <@Haarg> seems odd
00:42 < Lisette> preaction, how to do "?shop=cart;method=gatewayPostback" in a paydriver?
00:42 <@preaction> Lisette: i don't know. perhaps look at WebGUI::Content::Shop to see how methods get dispatched?
00:49 < Lisette> ok, thanks
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01:08 < perlmonkey21> Scalar::Util::weaken unavailable during install of Class::InsideOut.  That error ring a bell with anyone?
01:10 < patspam> perlmonkey21: hola
01:10 < perlmonkey21> hello patspam
01:10 < perlmonkey21> what's the word?
01:10 < patspam> just reading your comments on survey bundles
01:10 < CIA-41> WebGUI: translation * r8888 /translations/Polish/Polish/VersionTag.pm: Update from translation server
01:11 < perlmonkey21> patspam: link?
01:11 < patspam> http://www.plainblack.com/rfe/request-for-enhancement/9232
01:11 < patspam> do you mean the originals would be immutable?
01:11 < perlmonkey21> well that would be easiest.  To graft on a changeable system to the current one.
01:12 < perlmonkey21> But the question types could be taken completely out of the code and then mutability would be optional.
01:12 < patspam> yeah. ideally I'd like to be able to disable the existing bundles that aren't relevant to my site
01:13 <+perlDreamer> perlmonkey21: You are working on a red hat system for this C::IO install?
01:13 < perlmonkey21> patspam: could even make their definitions export/importable.
01:13 < perlmonkey21> perlDreamer: err, I didn't even look at the OS :P
01:14 < patspam> yeah that'd be sweet
01:14 <+perlDreamer> Red Hat's Scalar::Util package has been known to be bad for a long time
01:14 <+perlDreamer> if they are using WRE, probably fine, but double check your path
01:14 < perlmonkey21> ELxenU
01:14 < patspam> where do you envisage the admin interface for it living?
01:15 < perlmonkey21> patspam: good question.  I think the best place would be to add some tabs to the editor view to allow question types to be altered/deleted/added.
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01:15 < perlmonkey21> as eventually another tab will have to be added to break out random word lists from individual questions
01:16 < perlmonkey21> perlDreamer: yes, it is using the WRE.  
01:16 < patspam> asset edit or survey edit screen?
01:16 < perlmonkey21> Wondering if there is some C::IO gotcha, as I know I've ran into this before, but don't recall how I resolved it.
01:16 < Lisette> i do a post in one CS and verified in the database the userdefined* and this is in null, why?
01:16 < perlmonkey21> patspam: survey edit screen
01:16 < perlmonkey21> asset edit would be a little awkward and not give us the fast AJAX editing interface.
01:17 <+perlDreamer> Lisette, when you posted to the CS, did you fill out the userdefined fields?
01:17 < perlmonkey21> perlDreamer: you're a contractor now, maybe I can hire you to wrap this up for me.  It's nearly done, just needs some trial runs through the updates and a little testing :D
01:17 <+perlDreamer> perlmonkey21: I'm fully booked.  You'd have to talk to my bosses.
01:18 <+perlDreamer> Or outbid them :=)
01:18 < perlmonkey21> perlDreamer: who's your boss?
01:18 <+perlDreamer> I work for a very, very nice man in Australia
01:18 <+perlDreamer> and a very, very nice man in Wisconsin
01:18 <@preaction> but what about plainblack?
01:18 < perlmonkey21> and I can't outbid as I'd have to pay double for this job.
01:18 < Lisette> the userdefined i used to like a form, i fill this fields and when i do a post this is null
01:19 < perlmonkey21> preaction: those jokers would just assign it back to me.
01:19 <+perlDreamer> Lisette, that could very well be a bug.  Can you duplicate it on a demo site?
01:19 <@preaction> perlmonkey21: those jerks... someone should talk to them
01:20 < perlmonkey21> preaction: how are things with you?  still reveling in your fame and glory from your last trip?
01:20 <@preaction> ha! drudging through performance issues in WebGUI
01:20 < Lisette> wait me a moment i verified something
01:20 <+perlDreamer> What?  WebGUI has performance issues?  Blasphemy
01:22 < patspam> preaction: are you using NYTProf?
01:22 <@preaction> patspam: yesm
01:22 < perlmonkey21> hmm, is it even possible to run 7.4/7.5 on WRE 0.7.2?
01:22 < patspam> legend!
01:22 <@Haarg> it may be perlmonkey21, but i wouldn't want to try it
01:23 < patspam> I had it on my todo to sit down and learn it properly, and then focus its bottleneck destroying beam on webgui
01:23 < perlmonkey21> Haarg: heh, okay, I guess I should update the WRE also, even though that wasn't specc'd.
01:24 < Lisette> perlDreamer i use 7.5.25 the demo site what version is?
01:24 <+perlDreamer> 7.5.35
01:24 <+perlDreamer> That's why I asked.  This bug may have been fixed in the latest version of WebGUI.
01:24 < Lisette> you sure? there is not 7.6.x?
01:25 <+perlDreamer> ah, for demo.webgui.org, it is 7.5.35.  for beta.webgui.org, it is 7.6.5
01:25 < Lisette> ok, i do in the demo site, wait me please
01:25 <+perlDreamer> yo espero con pacienca y grazia
01:26 < Lisette> bueno, entonces espereme mientras yo creo un nuevo CS y le cambio las plantillas
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01:47 < Lisette> listo, ya lo hice
01:51 < Lisette> perlDreamer, i do in the demo site, how to do to verified?
01:51 <+perlDreamer> Lisette, you can set up a SQL Report to check the db and make sure that your data is in there.
01:52 <+perlDreamer> the other option is to change the View Thread template to display userDefined values.
01:55 < Lisette> how to do the second option?
02:00 <+perlDreamer> Double checking
02:00 <+perlDreamer> Edit the CS
02:00 <+perlDreamer> Choose the Display tab
02:01 <+perlDreamer> For the "Collaboration System Thread Template", choose Edit
02:01 <+perlDreamer> that will take you to the template
02:01 <+perlDreamer> add the userdefined variables to inside the post_loop
02:01 <+perlDreamer> save
02:02 < Lisette> yo ya hice eso y no me las muestra
02:02 <+perlDreamer> what is the URL for the demo server?
02:06 < Lisette> http://demo.webgui.org/demo1228864608_433/home/pruebas/productos
02:10 < Lisette> do you see anything?
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02:11 <+perlDreamer> I don't think the template variables are in the correct place in the template
02:11 <+perlDreamer> Let's set up a SQL Report instead
02:13 <+perlDreamer> the SQL report says empty, too
02:17 < Lisette> then i have to check my template?
02:21 <+perlDreamer> if it displays the form, then there shouldn't be any Post Form template problems
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02:28 < Lisette> then what is the problem? :-/
02:36 <+perlDreamer> That is a very good question.
02:36 <+perlDreamer> On my dev site, it is working fine
02:37 <+perlDreamer> I put userDefined form variables into the template, then do a SQL query
02:37 <+perlDreamer> and they all show up
02:38 <+perlDreamer> on the demo site, however, they do not
02:38 <+perlDreamer> they do not show up in the db, nor in the post template
02:39 < Lisette> mmmm
02:39 < Lisette> what is your version?
02:40 < Lisette> you do this with the same template? 
02:43 <+perlDreamer> I am using one version up, 7.5.36 (from SVN)
02:43 < Lisette> and the template?
02:44 <+perlDreamer> A little different.
02:45 <+perlDreamer> I set up a new demo site that is working fine
02:45 <+perlDreamer> http://demo.plainblack.com/demo1228869202_300/home
02:45 <+perlDreamer> so i suspect there is something funny about your template
02:47 < Lisette> ok, im going to check, thank so much perlDreamer
02:48 <+perlDreamer> You're welcome, Lisette
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02:51 < Lisette> i have another question perlDreamer, the template by default is the same in the version 7.4.x and 7.5.x?
02:51 <+perlDreamer> they may be the same, Lisette.  You would have to go through the changelog and check.
02:51 <+perlDreamer> even then, it is hard to tell since some bugs are not well written
02:52 <+perlDreamer> you suspect a problem from the upgrade?
02:53 < Lisette> no
02:54 < Lisette> the template is made by another person, but this person have the version 7.4.x and i 7.5.25
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02:55 <+perlDreamer> Lisette, that can work sometimes, but it's not the safest way to do development.
02:57 < Mech422> and here we have a solution looking for a webgui 'problem' to solve: http://www.danga.com/mogilefs/
02:57 < Lisette> ok, thanks
03:02 < Lisette> i put your template in my dev site and now works!
03:18 <+perlDreamer> awesome!
03:20 <+perlDreamer> Tengo curiosidad que la diferencia entre las plantissas es.
03:49 < Lisette> platillas
03:49 < Lisette> plantillas
04:09 <+perlDreamer> si, plantillas.  Gracias
04:58 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8889 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (5 files in 4 dirs): 
04:58 < CIA-41> WebGUI: Have testEnvironment.pl crap out if it can't find the required modules.
04:58 < CIA-41> WebGUI: Change the pay driver to use the user supplied label, rather than the module type for
04:58 < CIA-41> WebGUI: labels and buttons.
04:58 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8890 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Flesh out the ResponseJSON test more. Add POD.
04:58 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8891 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 4 dirs): 
04:58 < CIA-41> WebGUI: Forward port PayDriver button and labeling fix.
04:58 < CIA-41> WebGUI: Forward port testEnvironment fix for not having prerequisite perl modules.
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05:34 < patspam> would it be hard to make Wg:Form:Combo dynamicCompatible?
05:44 <+perlDreamer> yes
05:44 <+perlDreamer> the problem comes when you need to add to the list of possible values.
05:44 <+perlDreamer> the form element has to have some kind of callback to its parent
05:48 <+perlDreamer> is the combo box a show stopper for you in the survey?
05:51 < patspam> no, i was running up against it in Thingy
05:51 < patspam> but should be ok, I'm implementing an Wg::Form::AutoComplete using YUI instead
05:52 <@preaction> autocomplete?
05:52 <@preaction> i'd be careful, those things are nasty on the server
05:52 < patspam> yeah, a yui-powered autocomplete box
05:52 < patspam> nah using a pre-populated js array, no ajax
05:53 < patspam> eg. the possible values become the js array
05:53 <@preaction> ah
05:53 <+perlDreamer> this is embarassing
05:53 <+perlDreamer> I need some CGI help
05:53 <+perlDreamer> for the translation server
05:53 <+perlDreamer> the forms are all setup to redirect to /
05:53 <+perlDreamer> and I can't get / to call up and run the translation server
05:54 <@preaction> so it's a configuration issue?
05:55 <+perlDreamer> it has to be
05:56 <@preaction> did you check the error log?
05:56 <+perlDreamer> yes
05:56 <@preaction> and?
05:56 <+perlDreamer> Attempt to serve directory: /data/domains/mywebgui.localdomain/www/cgi/
05:57 <@preaction> do you have a DirectoryIndex index.cgi <- in your configuration?
05:57 <+perlDreamer> DirectoryIndex translationserver.cgi
05:58 <@preaction> oh right
05:58 <@preaction> and DocumentRoot is that directory? no trailing /?
05:58 <+perlDreamer> I'll paste the config
05:59 <+perlDreamer> http://webgui.pastebin.com/d5e60157b
06:02 <@preaction> perlDreamer: no SetHandler perl-script, that's bad
06:03 <@preaction> it forces all requests to be handled by perl-script, overriding cgi-script for .cgi
06:03 <+perlDreamer> isn't that the vanilla mod_perl/cgi config?
06:03 <+perlDreamer> I'll remove it and try it anyway
06:04 <+perlDreamer> no change
06:04 <+perlDreamer> still trying to serve up a directory
06:04 <@preaction> mod_perl != CGI
06:04 <@preaction> both SetHandlers? 
06:04 <@preaction> there are two i saw
06:05 <@preaction> also, get rid of the ModPerl::Registry stuff, and the PerlOptions, we don't need them
06:05 <@preaction> this is just boring CGI
06:05 <@preaction> oh, also <Directory /> refers to the / of your filesystem
06:05 <@preaction> you want <Location />
06:09 <+perlDreamer> okay, http://webgui.pastebin.com/d7e8d2542
06:10 <+perlDreamer> bbiaw, time for kids
06:10 <@preaction> perlDreamer: scriptalias isn't necessary, also i believe it needs to be "AddHandler cgi-script .cgi .pl" but i might be wrong there
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06:41 <+perlDreamer> that did it.  Thanks preaction
06:42 <+perlDreamer> man, all that work to test a 12 character fix
06:46 <+perlDreamer> but it's better than committing blind, and breaking something
06:49 <@preaction> true enough
06:49 <@preaction> i had to go through that much when i had a fix for that thing too, so don't feel bad ;)
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06:55 <@preaction> perlDreamer: CGI scripts don't need rebooting. the interpreter is reloaded and the script rerun every request
06:55 <+perlDreamer> I remember that much, preaction :)
06:55 <@preaction> oh. someone has to install the fix
06:55 <+perlDreamer> yes, on PB's server
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08:40 < CIA-41> WebGUI: graham * r8893 /WebGUI/t/ (Storage.t Storage/Image.t): remove remnants of caseInsensitiveOS in tests
08:40 < CIA-41> WebGUI: graham * r8894 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.pm: fixing misuse of pod for commenting out code
08:40 < CIA-41> WebGUI: graham * r8895 /WebGUI/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.6.6 release
08:40 < CIA-41> WebGUI: jt * r8896 /releases/WebGUI_7.6.6-beta: Release 7.6.6-beta
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08:41  * Radix-wrk cheats and jumps a little ahead in preparation ;)
09:15 < CIA-41> WebGUI: graham * r8897 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): preparing for 7.6.7 dev
09:15 < CIA-41> WebGUI: patspam * r8898 /branch/WebGUI_flux/www/extras/wobject/Survey/ (survey.css administersurvey.js): 
09:15 < CIA-41> WebGUI: Flagging of invalid Survey fields now uses CSS classes instead of <font> tags
09:15 < CIA-41> WebGUI: (for skinnability)
09:15 < CIA-41> WebGUI: patspam * r8899 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Merge branch 'thingy' into flux
09:15 < CIA-41> WebGUI: patspam * r8900 /branch/WebGUI_flux/lib/WebGUI/ (Form/AutoComplete.pm Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm): Added experimental WebGUI::Form::AutoComplete
09:15 < CIA-41> WebGUI: patspam * r8901 /branch/WebGUI_flux/lib/WebGUI/Form/AutoComplete.pm: Style tweaks to AutoComplete
09:15 < CIA-41> WebGUI: patspam * r8902 /branch/WebGUI_flux/lib/WebGUI/Form/AutoComplete.pm: Some bug fixes to AutoComplete.pm
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01:26 <@preaction> daviddelikat: do you have a patch for your fix? if so, I can commit it for you
01:26 < xdanger> yeah! there was a fire in out power distribution room today...
01:26 < xdanger> from afternoon until midnight
01:27 < xdanger> without power
01:27 <@preaction> xdanger: nice. how's your data?
01:27 < xdanger> that's fine. The fire was in the building opposite of us
01:28 <@preaction> that's good at least
01:28 < xdanger> just that the whole datacenter was out, and the electricity company recovered us last
01:28 < daviddelikat> preaction: I am working that out now.  I have some old habits like code reviews and such that I have to get over in this opensource world....
01:29 <@preaction> daviddelikat: they're not bad habits, before i commit someone else's code, i will definately be reviewing it
01:29 < daviddelikat> preaction: thanks, I feel better now.
01:29 <@preaction> it just might be faster for me to do it, since i've been inundated in the webgui coding guidelines and best practices
01:30 <@preaction> also, because i wrote the datatable and really want this bug to be fixed (it worked fine when i checked it in, i swear to god)
01:30 < daviddelikat> I used to do that too (swear) but I learned better now.
01:31 <@preaction> F/OSS doesn't mean you get to forgoe those programming practices that are useful and encourage good code, though the "having to get a non-programmer's approval" is one thing that's done away with
01:32 < daviddelikat> so i don't have to explain what i did to a rock?
01:35 < CIA-41> WebGUI: jt * r8913 /experimental/Automat/lib/ (WebGUI/Asset/Automat.pm Automat/DomainName.pm): 
01:35 < CIA-41> WebGUI: improved dns zone file generation
01:35 < CIA-41> WebGUI: removed alias number on site listings without one
01:35 < CIA-41> WebGUI: added imap/pop/smtp/webmail info on mail management screen
01:55 < daviddelikat> preaction: patch is posted to http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/9150
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02:13 <@preaction> daviddelikat: seems like everything's in order. one note: your whitespace was a bit mixed up, prevented the patch getting applied the first time. WebGUI sets indents at 4 chars and uses spaces instead of tab (dunno if that was your problem or not)
02:14 <@preaction> daviddelikat: but now the important bit: Who gets credit for this bugfix in the changelog?
02:22 < daviddelikat> preaction: is this like a race? its my first time.  where's the change log?  am i too late?  aaahhh!!!
02:23 < daviddelikat> I guess I was hoping i could get =credit for it
02:23 < daviddelikat> :)
02:25 <@preaction> daviddelikat: no, you ARE getting credit for it, i just need to know who you are. are you "David Delikat" or "Deli Kat Solutions, Inc."
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02:29 < daviddelikat> preaction: oh, sorry for the drama, too much coffee... just David Delikat will do
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02:29 <@preaction> k, sounds good
02:39 < CIA-41> WebGUI: doug * r8914 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed #9150: Edit Data Table - Cannot add column (David Delikat)
02:42 <+Radix-wrk> nice work david :)
02:42 <@preaction> indeed. that code looks much more useful now
02:42 < daviddelikat> thanks
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03:14 < daviddelikat> I'm looking at http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9217
03:15 < daviddelikat> i managed to reproduce it, and I also noticed that it always asks for a new section
03:15 < daviddelikat> is this the way it is supposed to be?
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06:10 < elnino> not webgui related - just wondering if anyone has a recommended web - tree control that I can move items around between levels and then save the heirarchy?
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07:24 <+Radix-wrk> Ooooh.. wierd.. "Revisions In Tag: Visitor / 12/ 3/2008 11:12 am"
07:25 <+Radix-wrk> Really odd.. Visitor has made five changes to a thread in forum that is internal only according to the version tag.
07:30 < daviddelikat> does anybody know the connect string for the database? or where i can find it?
07:34 < daviddelikat> found it...
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17:20 < CIA-41> WebGUI: yung * r8915 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 2 dirs): added tooltips to Matrix attributes
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17:46 < SDuensin> Greetings.
17:47 <+MrHairgrease> Greasings!
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18:21 < CIA-41> WebGUI: jt * r8916 /experimental/Automat/lib/Automat/DomainName.pm: fixed deleting from server
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18:50 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8917 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/upgrades/packages-7.5.36/shopping-cart-collateral-items_address-default.wgpkg: Internationalize the title of the add address screen.
18:50 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8918 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.6.6/shopping-cart-collateral-items_address-default.wgpkg: Forward port address book title i18n fix
18:50 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8919 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (5 files in 5 dirs): Template the ITransact add credentials screen.
18:50 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8920 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 5 dirs): Forward port templated ITransact edit credentials screen.
18:50 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8921 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 3 dirs): i18n the read more link in the syndicated articles template.
18:50 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8922 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): forward port syndicated articles i18n template fix
19:03 <@perlmonkey2> can you upgrade directly from wre 7.2 to 8.5?
19:06 <@Haarg> wre?
19:06 <@Haarg> there is no direct upgrade path from 0.7 to 0,8
19:06 <@perlmonkey2> Haarg: so how would you get a 0.7.2 to an 0.8 series?
19:06 <@Haarg> you have to do a clean install of 0.8, then import the needed files, databases
19:07 <@perlmonkey2> do we have a wiki explaining how to do all that?
19:13 <@Haarg> yes
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19:34 <@tavisto> perldreamer, I noticed that the payment driver label issue has been resolved in the 7.6.6... that's awesome
19:35 <@tavisto> or actually I guess that was more of an RFE.. but it's cool either way
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20:06 < wgGuest22> Hey guys I'm upgrading from 7.4.21 to the current stable.  I know I need to upgrade to 7.4.40 first.  Are there any other intermediate upgrades I need to make along the path?  Right now when I move to 7.4.40 I'm getting an error saying that my site's conf file is invalid.
20:07 <+perlDreamer> tavisto, it was registered as two different bugs
20:07 <@preaction> wgGuest22: what do the gotchas say?
20:07 <+perlDreamer> so it got fixed
20:09 <+perlDreamer> wgGuest22 /data/WebGUI/docs/gotchas.txt
20:09 < wgGuest22> I read the gotchas and only saw the 7.4.40.  
20:10 < wgGuest22> I've already made all the CPAN updates included therein
20:11 < wgGuest22> I only check the gotchas in 7.5.31.  I'll read the gotchas from 7.4.40 and see what they say.
20:13 <@preaction> the 7.5.31 gotchas include the ones from 7.4.40
20:14 <@tavisto> excellent
20:14 <@tavisto> that's great perldreamer
20:14 <@tavisto> it's one of those... "this should be simple and make sense" and it didnt previously
20:14 <@tavisto> :)
20:14 <+perlDreamer> well, we did fix this once, but it wasn't the right fix
20:16 <@tavisto> well it looks like you did it the right way now and it works exactly as a non-technical person setting up a webgui-based store would think  :)
20:19 < wgGuest22> I only see the 7.4.40 step.  Any thoughts on what may cause my sites conf file to throw an error?  I'm on WRE 0.8.3 Do I need to upgrade/reinstall that as well?
20:21 <@Haarg> what is the exact error you are seeing?
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20:29 <+perlDreamer> wgGuest22: why don't you paste the error that you are seeing into a pastebin: webgui.pastebin.com.  Then post the URL that it gives you back here.
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21:20 <+perlDreamer> Haarg: safe to commit still?
21:20 <+perlDreamer> 1 last bug for today
21:20 <@Haarg> yeah
21:20 <+perlDreamer> it _is_ your bug, so I figured you  might want it fixed
21:25 <+perlDreamer> you're killing me Haarg
21:25 <+perlDreamer> here I try to be nice by fixing all your bugs
21:25 <+perlDreamer> and you keep submitting more
21:25 <@Haarg> heh
21:25 <@Haarg> which one this time?
21:25 <+perlDreamer> the LDAP one
21:25 <@Haarg> ah
21:25 <+perlDreamer> but tabb passed me the fix for the site starter floats issue
21:26 <+perlDreamer> and it's in
21:26 <+perlDreamer> Kathy's been using the site starter and template wizards, and I have a whole bunch of ideas for 7.7
21:26 <+perlDreamer> like making them one and the same
21:27 <+perlDreamer> and adding a right nav option, in addition to left and top
21:30 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8923 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/t/Asset/Asset.t: add test for quote processing in fixTitle
21:30 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8924 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (lib/WebGUI/Content/Setup.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): fix CSS style issue with clearing floats in site starter template
21:30 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8925 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Asset.t: forward porting quotes in asset title fixTitle test
21:30 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8926 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Content/Setup.pm): Forward porting site starter css fix for clears and page content positioning.
21:30 < CIA-41> WebGUI: jt * r8927 /experimental/Automat/sbin/migration/ (5 files): data scrubing scripts
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21:39 <+perlDreamer> unbelieveable.  I can't use dates from Shawshank since they're all before 1970
21:39 <@Haarg> no negative numbers?
21:40 <@Haarg> that could acually be something extra worth putting in tests
21:40 <+perlDreamer> negative epochs?
21:41 <@Haarg> yeah
21:51 <@preaction> You can check on Perl's status here: http://isperlalive.com/
21:53 < Bernd_> Can someone help me with understanding Aspects?
21:53 < Bernd_> I am trying to understand a comment by JT, in which he claimed
21:53 < Bernd_> that Assets and Aspects do not come magically together.
21:53 < Bernd_> But they require some glue.
21:54 < Bernd_> I just had a look at WikiPage, which uses the Comments aspect.
21:54 < Bernd_> I cannot see any glue there.
21:54 < Bernd_> All it does is inherit Comments.
21:54 < Bernd_> And that is exactly how I would have expected it to work.
21:54 < Bernd_> What am I missing?
21:55 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8928 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
21:55 < CIA-41> WebGUI: Change ResponseJSON to use a proper mutator for startTime.
21:55 < CIA-41> WebGUI: Add tests for startTime.
21:55 < CIA-41> WebGUI: Survey uses the accessor, and no longer needs to manually set startTime.
21:57 <+perlDreamer> Bernd_: that's the whole glue.  The magic is done by Class::C3
21:58 <+perlDreamer> preaction: under what circumstancees does it say "No"?
21:58 <@preaction> perlDreamer: it doesn't :p
21:58 <+perlDreamer> heh
21:58 <+perlDreamer> snort
21:58 < Bernd_> So what does he mean then by this remark: http://www.plainblack.com/webgui/dev/discuss/the-death-of-the-collaboration-system/14
21:59 <@preaction> Bernd_: it means there may be Aspects that require more glue code than just "use base ( myAspect )"
22:00 < Bernd_> But isn't that rather a matter of proper encapsulation?
22:00 < Bernd_> If Aspect.pm is designed properly, inheritage should always be sufficient.
22:00 < Bernd_> inheritance
22:00 < SDuensin> How on earth can I downgrade/upgrade my server and only have *one* site not work?
22:01 < Bernd_> preaction, right or wrong?
22:01 <+perlDreamer> Bernd_: Aspects provide additional methods to any Asset
22:02 <+perlDreamer> so, for example, in the WikiPage, you'll see that it makes a call to $self->getFormattedComments
22:02 <@preaction> Bernd_: no. aspects may require information from the asset, or the asset may have to make a choice on how the aspect should carry out a certain task.
22:02 < wgGuest22> I'm back. I was having a problem upgrading to 7.4.40.  I tried upgrading a backup verson of webgui but am running into the same error.  I've uploaded the error message to http://webgui.pastebin.com/m6173a6fc 
22:02 <+perlDreamer> all that you needed to do to get that method was use inheritance
22:03 < Bernd_> perlDreaer, so there is some glue even in WikiPage.
22:03 <+perlDreamer> yes
22:03 < Bernd_> I missed that one since I was only looking for $self->next::something calls.
22:04 <+perlDreamer> and, in general, like preaction said, it may require more glue, method calls
22:04 < Bernd_> Alright, I got it then.
22:04 < Bernd_> Thanks for helping me understand.
22:04 <+perlDreamer> sure :)
22:04 <+perlDreamer> wgGuest22: did you check your config file for JSON syntax errors?
22:04 <+perlDreamer> missing and/or extra commas
22:05 <+perlDreamer> unquoted strings?
22:05 <+perlDreamer> and the like
22:06 < wgGuest22> I looked through it and didn't see anything unusual.  I saw on instance of empty [] but I saw that in another conf file too.  The site is/was loading fine.
22:06 < Bernd_> perlDreamer, but why not create some plug-in architecture to allow Comments to register and fill its own template variables?
22:06 < Bernd_> That way you could totally avoid the glue.
22:07 < wgGuest22> I did update the JSON module per the Gotcha.  Would that affect how the file is read? 
22:07 < Bernd_> Overriding the view method would not work.
22:07 <+perlDreamer> Bernd_: No, it would have to have broken out template variable setting methods, like in the Calendar
22:07 <+perlDreamer> but that concept would work fine
22:07 <+perlDreamer> except that it would limit where comments can be used
22:08 <@preaction> yeah, that would limit flexibility
22:08 <+perlDreamer> you have no idea in which method the "parent" would have comments
22:08 < Bernd_> But doesn't it all come down to adding template variables and properties?
22:08 <+perlDreamer> yes
22:09 < wgGuest22> I am running WRE 0.8.3  I didn't see anything in the gotchas about that.  Could this be an issue?
22:09 < Bernd_> What about adding a "templateVariables" method to Asset, which returns a ref to the respective structure.
22:09 < Bernd_> That one could be overridden and extended by Aspects.
22:09 < Bernd_> Later on it is called by the view method, a template processed and the result returned.
22:09 <+perlDreamer> Bernd_: template variables change based on the individual screen
22:09 < Bernd_> No glue needed.
22:09 < Bernd_> Screen? I cannot follow.
22:10 < Bernd_> Can you give an example?
22:10 <+perlDreamer> www_view is one "screen" for an asset
22:10 <+perlDreamer> it's the default, and most common one
22:10 <+perlDreamer> but in the gallery, it could be called www_viewAlbum
22:10 < Bernd_> And www_edit is another one?
22:10 <+perlDreamer> yup
22:11 <+perlDreamer> and www_viewAlbum would have different template variables from www_view
22:11 < Bernd_> And how do we switch between them?
22:11 < Bernd_> Is that done by ?func=somehting ?
22:11 <+perlDreamer> yes
22:11 < Bernd_> something
22:11 <+perlDreamer> func=view is the default.  func=edit
22:11 <+perlDreamer> would call www_edit
22:11 < Bernd_> I see.
22:11 <+perlDreamer> that's what preaction meant by a lack of flexibility
22:12 < Bernd_> But wouldn't have the Aspect to aware of screens anyhow?
22:12 <+perlDreamer> no
22:12 <+perlDreamer> it just adds a form, and some html code for displaying
22:12 <+perlDreamer> it doesn't care who calls it
22:12 <@preaction> the aspect can add screens, could override screens, but we currently have no method of combining two www_screen methods into one output
22:13 < Bernd_> Hm.
22:13 < Bernd_> But how many different screens would you expect for the comments aspect?
22:13 < Bernd_> Is it really that much of a loss in flexibility?
22:13 <@preaction> if we took a page out of the MVC handbook, and had www_screen return an object that could create an HTML page (instead of the HTML itself), then we could use that object to add or modify stuff
22:14 <@preaction> Bernd_: there already is a getTemplateVars convention being used in a lot of places in WebGUI
22:14 < Bernd_> Uh. Can't follow.
22:14 <+perlDreamer> Bernd_: for the cost of 1 line of code, the current aspect can be used on any screen
22:15 < Bernd_> But it is not plug'n'play.
22:15 < Bernd_> You always have to add some code.
22:15 < Bernd_> Individual solutions in each case.
22:15 <@preaction> the problem with a getTemplateVars method is that it has to be cheap, because you might want to use those template variables in other pages. (the Gallery, for example, uses getTemplateVars from GalleryAlbum, which uses getTemplateVars from GalleryFile)
22:15 <+perlDreamer> it's not fully automated, but again, the cost is low
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22:16 < Bernd_> The reason I am interested in Aspects is because of the discussion with JT I have mentioned before.
22:16 <@preaction> Bernd_: to elaborate on the "www_ returns an object": Instead of "www_view" returning an HTML string, it returns a WebGUI::Response object containing the raw variables, the template to use, the style template to use, and later in the request we can combine them together to get the HTML
22:17 < Bernd_> Sounds good to me.
22:17 < Bernd_> So why not?
22:17 <@preaction> that complicates things, and completely destroys the API
22:17 <+perlDreamer> yeah
22:17 < Bernd_> There is always a time to make things better.
22:17 < Bernd_> Let us rewrite WebGUI from scratch :-)
22:18 < Bernd_> You would have to do the work, of course.
22:18 <@preaction> WebGUI 8 is the time we can break the API
22:18 < Bernd_> Where can I post RFEs?
22:18 < Bernd_> But seriously, would that be interesting to change the www_ methods?
22:19 < Bernd_> I believe it would be really cool, if you could extend existing Assets by some kind of plug'n'play architecture.
22:19 < Bernd_> That would allow non-perl programmers to do a lot of cool stuff.
22:19 < Bernd_> Coming back to the CS:
22:20 < Bernd_> You would not have decide between the HelpDesk, blog, forum etc.
22:20 < Bernd_> But could combine your CS out of a basic CS class and mixing in all kinds of Aspects.
22:20 <@preaction> Bernd_: i've been advocating that change for a while
22:20 < Bernd_> You are my man!
22:20 < Bernd_> Let me guess: JT said no?
22:21 <@preaction> no, afaik JT likes it but it's an API break
22:21 <@preaction> we're not talking the normal "oh, this might affect a few people" break, it's a "This changes how all assets must be written" break
22:21 < Bernd_> I am totally aware of it.
22:21 < Bernd_> Lots of work. Lots of new bugs to fix.
22:22 <@preaction> well, it would be possible to determine if the asset returned a string or an object, but what about those utilities that expect a string and instead get an object?
22:22 <@preaction> so it wouldn't be too bad really
22:22 < Bernd_> But good news for perlDreamer: he won't run out of work.
22:23 < Bernd_> So is there a realistic chance, this will come in WebGUI 8?
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22:23 < Bernd_> Once again, where can I propose this/start a discussion?
22:23 < Bernd_> The dev forum?
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22:24 <@preaction> there is a possibility, and once there's an open RFE, a discussion could be started on the dev forum, yes
22:24 < Bernd_> I will try to put it in simple words and open an RFE.
22:25 < Lisette> There is a way to make filters with thingy?
22:25 < rizen_> Bernd_: hates me
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22:26 <+perlDreamer> eek, it's rizen!
22:26 < Bernd_> Who does? Me?
22:26 < Bernd_> Why do you think so?
22:27 < Lisette> anyone knows about thingy?
22:27 < Bernd_> Have I shown my dislike too openly :-P
22:28 < Bernd_> I must be more careful in the future.
22:29 <@rizen> because you plague me with this request
22:29 <@rizen> i don't want it
22:29 <@rizen> even if it were possible
22:29 < Bernd_> Who cares?
22:30 < Bernd_> preaction said you like it.
22:30 <@rizen> you should, since i get to decide if it goes in
22:30 <@rizen> no preaction was talking about returning objects from www_ methods
22:30 <@preaction> i think he means the one you've been discussing in the forums
22:30 < Bernd_> It is not really for me.
22:30 <@rizen> not the crazy pluggable cs thing
22:30 < Bernd_> WebGUI already has all I want.
22:30 <@rizen> then why are you arguing it?
22:31 < Bernd_> Because I believe it is an extremely useful feature.
22:31 < Bernd_> Very powerful and probably unique.
22:31 < Bernd_> Why no plugins for the CS?
22:31 <+perlDreamer> Bernd_: you want it to be fully automated, with the only "glue" code involved being inheriting from the Aspect?
22:32 < Bernd_> Right.
22:32 <+perlDreamer> or something different?
22:32 < Bernd_> No.
22:32 < Bernd_> The task would be to redesign Asset in a way,
22:32 < Bernd_> overriding existing methods would be sufficient.
22:32 < Bernd_> What is so bad about it?
22:32 <@rizen> there are many things bad about it
22:33 < Bernd_> Sounds like proper class design to me?!
22:33 < Bernd_> I am reading...
22:33 <@rizen> 1) when someone decides they'll plug in their own BS class which then destroys something, but they blame it on WG
22:33 <@preaction> it's proper class design only when you're talking about single inheritence
22:34 <@rizen> 2) it's more complicated and produces less flexibility (because the glue that you're worried about provides flexibility)
22:34 < Bernd_> BS = bull shit?
22:34 <@rizen> yup
22:34 < Bernd_> Is there a 3) to  come?
22:34 <@rizen> 3) aspects are not necessarily designed to play well together, but with this approach you'll be forcing them to be, which isn't necessarily desirable
22:35 < Bernd_> Ok, stop it. I have had enough.
22:35 < Bernd_> Alternative suggestion:
22:35 <@rizen> 4) the more aspects you plug together, the slower the asset will become...but users won't think "oh this giant megalith asset i just created is too damn big and that's why it's so slow", they'll think "WebGUI is a slow pile of shit"
22:36 < Bernd_> What about packing all the glue into a separate class that can be plugged into the CS?
22:36 < Bernd_> That would be a compromise.
22:36 <@rizen> no, cuz you're still making the glue already in a hard form
22:36 <@rizen> so it's inflexible
22:36 < Bernd_> That is one separate class per Aspect that should be made pluggable.
22:36 < Bernd_> How much flexibility do you need for the CS?
22:36 <@rizen> and it makes the slowness and complexity problems even bigger
22:37 < Bernd_> But since you plug only the Aspects you need, why should there be a performance drawback?
22:37 <@rizen> Bernd_: if you have to ask that question, you aren't even in a position to be discussing this
22:37 < Bernd_> Which one?
22:37 <@rizen> either
22:37 <@rizen> both
22:38 < Bernd_> Hm. Not sure what you mean.
22:38 <@rizen> perlDreamer, preaction, or any other dev here. have i said anything above that is untrue or even slightly misrepresented?
22:39 <@perlmonkey2> Okay, I'm trying to update wre 0.7.2 to 0.8.5.  So I move the old wre to wretemp.  MV WebGUI to WebGUItemp.  Then deploy 0.8.5.  When the wreconsole prompts for what type of install, I move WebGUItemp to WebGUI and chose manual.  Now in the past, the wre then goes on to set up the mysql tables and init the wre.  But now it just drops into the add a site menu, doing nothing else.
22:39 <@preaction> i'm half paying attention, but no
22:39 <+perlDreamer> rizen: I think the stuff about calling webgui a slow pile of shit will happen regardless of aspect use or not.  We've seen that with the site review on TBB.  Aside from that, no.
22:40 <@preaction> i'm not quite sure what exactly Bernd_ wants. is it a way for users to check off which features they want in their collaboration system?
22:40 <@preaction> as the CS is created, on a per-CS basis?
22:40 < Bernd_> preaction, exactly that.
22:40 < SDuensin> Users need beat.  They call WebGUI slow before even trying it!  I'm shocked how many see it's written in Perl and immediately write it off.  :-(
22:41 <@rizen> Bernd_ wants all the pieces of the CS turned into aspects (like i plan to do), but then wants a new CS asset that will allow him to pick which aspects (from all the aspects out there) to put into his new custom CS
22:41 <@preaction> Bernd_: i would say that by just having all the aspects inside the CS, you can pick which ones you use, no?
22:41 <@rizen> perlmonkey2: it can't set up databases for sites you don't have
22:42 <@rizen> perlmonkey2: did you do a mysqldump of all your old databases before shutting down the old wre?
22:42 < Bernd_> preaction, but then we end up with the CS we already have.
22:42 <@rizen> perlmonkey2: cuz you should have, and then import them into the new db
22:42 < Bernd_> The idea was to plug only what you need and keep the burden on the server low.
22:43 <@perlmonkey2> rizen: yes, I have everything
22:43 < Bernd_> But if I got rizen correctly that would not be the case for whatever reason.
22:43 <@perlmonkey2> rizen: so I should not do a manual deploy of the old WebGUI directoy
22:45 < Bernd_> Ok, seems like the discussion is over.
22:45 < Bernd_> Not going to bug you any further.
22:46 <@rizen> perlmonkey2: i don't know exactly what you're trying to do, call me on skype and i'll walk you through it
22:47 <@perlmonkey2> k
22:47 <@rizen> Bernd_: the megalith cs is not going to happen
22:47 <@rizen> Bernd_: but if you want to discuss it further i'm happy to
22:47 < Bernd_> No. No need. 
22:48 < Bernd_> As I said - it is not for me particularly.
22:48 <+perlDreamer> perlmonkey2: I keep building test code that mimics the survey by accident
22:48 <+perlDreamer> surveyOrder looks almost exactly like my buildSurveyDummy test method
22:48 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: cause the survey is dumb?
22:48 < Bernd_> It just seems we do have very different perspectives.
22:48 <@perlmonkey2> rizen: I don't see you online.
22:48 <+perlDreamer> no, because I keep reinventing the wheel
22:49 <@preaction> it sounds like Bernd_ wants "plugins", not "Aspects". Aspect is an OO concept. Plugins sounds like they'd do what you'd want (a UI to choose which plugins are active for which instance of an asset)
22:49 < Bernd_> preaction, you are probably right.
22:49 < Bernd_> In fact, you could have both - aspects and plugins next to each other.
22:50 < Bernd_> Or actually write some code that uses Aspects to generate plugins.
22:50  * perlDreamer takes a break.  be back in 30-45
22:50 < Bernd_> Should not be too difficult to implement for the CS.
22:50 < Bernd_> That was one of my original points.
22:52 <@preaction> i understand your argument, but it would require a lot of work. especially the API and UI so that end-users would not get confused when things did not work as expected.
22:52 <@preaction> the asset API itself would need to change to be easier for plugin developers (or even Possible)
22:53 <@preaction> worst-case, we'd have to use Class::MOP or Moose for Assets
22:53 < Bernd_> We could start with a simple plugin API for the CS.
22:53 <@preaction> in order to make Plugins even remotely useful
22:53 < Bernd_> That would be a starting point.
22:53 < Bernd_> It is going to be rewritten anyhow.
22:54 < Bernd_> For the CS it should really be sufficient to allow plugins to register template variables and properties.
22:54 <@preaction> right, but how would they hook in? if you can write a proof-of-concept asset + plugin API, the argument might be a lot different
22:54 <@preaction> why stop there when aspects can do so much more?
22:55 < Bernd_> The advantage of plugins is very simple: users do not have to touch the code,
22:55 < Bernd_> but they gain a lot of flexibility.
22:55 < Bernd_> Not everyone is a perl programmer.
22:55 < Bernd_> Most people are actually not.
22:56 < Bernd_> And it is quite difficult to extend WebGUI if you are not a professional.
22:56 < Bernd_> Many people are even hesitant to touch the templates.
22:56 < Bernd_> Now tell them to add some code.
22:57 < Bernd_> Sure, you could say these are not interesting customers.
22:57 <@preaction> but they're not extending webgui, they'd be enabling someone else's extention. you could do the same thing by subclassing the CS
22:58 < Bernd_> Again, you are talking about writing perl code.
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22:58 <@preaction> right, no matter what somebody has to write code
22:58 < Bernd_> I am thinking about some kind of web interface where you can just check the plugins you need.
22:58 < Bernd_> That is true. But the aspects are going to be written anyway.
22:59 < Bernd_> Putting the extra-code into some plugin class should not be too difficult.
22:59 < Bernd_> I just cannot see why it should be.
23:00 <@preaction> it would be substantially more difficult, just building the UI and the foolproofing
23:00 < nuxli> hey all
23:00 <@preaction> nuxli: hello
23:00 < nuxli> hows everyone today?
23:00 < SDuensin> Confused, but good.  Hi.
23:00 < nuxli> anyone somewhere where its warm?
23:00 <@perlmonkey2> nuxli: it is 60F here?
23:01 < nuxli> yep, Perl, thats warm!!
23:01 < SDuensin> Beats my 38F.
23:01 < nuxli> 20F here in Illinois
23:01 < SDuensin> Where in IL, nuxli?  I'm down south near St. Louis.
23:01 < nuxli> sorry, 27F
23:01 < nuxli> northern,  west of Chicago
23:02 < nuxli> which city by St L?
23:02 < nuxli> I'm in Downers Grove
23:02 < SDuensin> Not sure I'd call it a city.  Little place called Smithton.  (Who's web site will be in WebGUI soon!)
23:02 < nuxli> hmm, sorry don't know of smithton
23:03 < nuxli> I used to live in Carbondale.
23:03 < SDuensin> That's closer.  :-)
23:03 < nuxli> haha yeah
23:04 < nuxli> ok, real reason I'm in here (not that I don't like the smalltalk)
23:04 < SDuensin> hehe
23:05 < SDuensin> Smalltalk is cool.  Try Squeak.org!  :-P
23:05 < nuxli> we have mysql running on a separate server than Webgui. I want to point it to another mysql server that we have copied the DB to.
23:06 < SDuensin> Ok.
23:06 < SDuensin> Just gotta change your confs.
23:06 < nuxli> I change the conf file in /data/WebGui/etc to use the new mysql server in the 'dsn' line at the end of the conf,  but it still is attached to the original server, even after reboots
23:07 < SDuensin> Did you stop the current server?  Maybe it's using the socket file to connect.  I have that ANNOYING problem using GUI tools on my Mac.
23:07 < SDuensin> Dumb things always pick my default MySQL server - even if I specify the port for the WebGUI one.  Grrrr.
23:08 < nuxli> but I've rebooted.. should I change it back to original,  stop WebGui, change to new DB, then start WebGui?
23:09 < SDuensin> Rebooted what?  Your WebGUI box?
23:09 < nuxli> yes
23:09 < SDuensin> But does MySQL start up after reboot on that box?
23:11 < Lisette> i have a question about thingy
23:11 < Lisette> how to do to make filters with thingy? i can do that?
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23:17 <+MrHairgrease> rizen: if you deploy more Bazaars on one site they share each others bazaar items in the overview
23:17 <+MrHairgrease> I guess that's not by design?
23:17 <+MrHairgrease> but rather a bug
23:20 < nuxli> SD, no, we have disabled mysql from running on the WebGui box.  it has always run on a separate server,  we just want to point WebGui to use a new mysql server now.
23:20 <@rizen> that's a bug
23:20 < SDuensin> nuxli - That's odd.  :-/
23:20 <@rizen> MrHairgrease: you have to understand that i developed the bazaar in 3 days (from scratch) and was really only concerned with it for webgui.org so it has zero polish or testing beyond the basics needed for that
23:21 < Lisette> anyone know why in a workflow i get the userdefined by database of a post and shows me of values of the previous post
23:21 <@rizen> since you're going to add some features to it, maybe i'll have to find some time during 7.7 dev cycle to polish it up and put it in the core. cuz there's also an RFE to put it in the core
23:21 < Lisette> ?
23:28 < nuxli> SD, there is more complexity to the whole issue, but i think at the just of it, that's essentially what we are doing. pointing it to a new DB server. the long version involves VMware and cloning.
23:28  * SDuensin loves VMware.
23:29 < SDuensin> I'll crawl all over my install and see what I can learn, but my WebGUI install right now is being broken, er, upgraded.
23:29  * Bernd_ is going to bed. Good night everyone.
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23:30 < nuxli> yeah, we broke ours yesterday, and fixed it with a DB restore, and VMware snapshot restore. and now thats why I'm cloning our setup into a test environment today! haha
23:30 < SDuensin> hehe
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23:31 < nuxli> SD there could be something else I am missing, but everythign looks correct.
23:31 < nuxli> It should only be that one place in the conf file to change the DB server, correct?
23:31 < SDuensin> I don't remember seeing a database setting outside the site's conf file.
23:31 < SDuensin> Vuja-de!
23:33 <@rizen> preaction: haarg tells me you have a recommendation on an SSH related perl module?
23:33 <+MrHairgrease> rizen: I totally understand. I asked that question, so that I could fix it if it is a bug.
23:33 <@preaction> rizen: yes, Net::SSH2
23:34 <+MrHairgrease> And that's also why I'm templating it and addin the features I emailed you about
23:34 <@rizen> MrHairgrease: just making sure you didn't think my code quality was going down hill =)
23:34 <@preaction> rizen: the problem is it requires libssh2, which our OS doesn't have. let me dig up the RPM i used if i can find it
23:34  * SDuensin shudders at "RPM"
23:34 <@rizen> preaction: libssh2 on just the machine with the module? or all machines it connects to?
23:34 <@preaction> just the machine with the module
23:34 <+MrHairgrease> don't worry, I don't your code quality can sink even lower =)
23:35  * SDuensin chuckles
23:35 <@rizen> that's not biggy preaction, i'll just compile it
23:35 <@preaction> k
23:35 <+MrHairgrease> but it is a bug then
23:35 <+MrHairgrease> good
23:35 <@rizen> preaction: why is it the best?
23:35 <+MrHairgrease> It'll be fixed
23:35 <@preaction> rizen: i couldn't get any of the other ones to work, period. but i was doing SFTP so that might have something to do with it
23:35 <@rizen> MrHairgrease: i know, my code quality is pretty low, but since bazaar was a rush job, i think it's even lower
23:37 <+MrHairgrease> ok I could live with that
23:37 <@rizen> preaction: i just need the ssh part handled for me, because on the other end i'll be attaching my own shell, so i'm just going to use ssh the way web sites use SSL
23:37 <+MrHairgrease> although it's a lame excuse =)
23:38 <@preaction> rizen: then perhaps Net::SSH::Perl will work. the biggest problems i ran into was installing them, since they require a lot of different Crypt:: modules (not all of which seem to work right)
23:41 <+perlDreamer> another bug
23:41 <+perlDreamer> crap
23:44 < SDuensin> Hey, when the upgrade to 7.6.5 does this:  "Merging Template head blocks into the Extra Head Tags field."  It ate some CSS.  Is that just gone, or can I poke somewhere and find it?
23:45 <+perlDreamer> SDuensin, it's in the extraHeadTags block now
23:46 < SDuensin> For that template, it says "None".  :-/
23:46 <@rizen> preaction: yeah, though the WRE has a lot of crypt modules already installed...and i'll be installing it into the WRE, so maybe that will help
23:46 < SDuensin> I can get it back from a backup.
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23:48 <+perlDreamer> SDuensin, I'd love to have a copy of that template for debugging.
23:49 < SDuensin> All it had was a <style> tag and my CSS in the head box of 7.5.35.
23:49 <+perlDreamer> what kind of template was it, which namespace?
23:50 < SDuensin> "style" namespace.  It was my site's main template.
23:53 < CIA-41> WebGUI: jt * r8929 /experimental/Automat/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Automat.pm: added email customer and email server customers options
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23:54  * SDuensin is *very* intrigued by rizen's SVN entries.
23:54 <@rizen> SDuensin: why is that?
23:55 < SDuensin> Sounds like you're building what I'm building.  :-)
23:55 <+perlDreamer> SDuensin: according to the talk that we had in IRC, style templates don't use their extraHeadTags
23:55 < SDuensin> Hmm.  Mine did.  :-)
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23:56 <+perlDreamer> that's what the upgrade script does, it tosses them out if you have a style template
23:56 <@rizen> SDuensin: what are you building?
23:56 < SDuensin> rizen - I want WebGUI to run my entire empire.  Including managing my DNS records, Email accounts, etc.
23:57 <@rizen> SDuensin: then i am building what you're building. Automat is Plain Black's be-all end-all hosting automation system
23:57 < SDuensin> Gonna license it?
23:57 <@rizen> and of course the user interface is just a webgui asset
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23:58 <@rizen> perhaps, but right now it's not at all pluggable. it's built specifically for our uses, so you'd have to set up your environment like ours to even use it
23:58 < SDuensin> That's the same kind of mess I wrote.  :-)
23:58 <@rizen> the code is all out in our subversion repository if you want to have a look at it
23:58 < SDuensin> Might do that.  Thanks.
23:59 < SDuensin> Mine currently uses existing WebGUI stuff + a few Things.  A cron job pokes around the WebGUI database and modifies the server when things change.
23:59 <@rizen> automat definitely is not a mess. it's carefully written with wrappers to make it pretty easy to swap out back end systems eventually
23:59 < SDuensin> perlDreamer - I had intended to make that style sheet it's own file.  Guess now is a good time!
23:59 <@rizen> automat has a task queue so that the server need not "poll" to find out if there's anything to do
23:59 < SDuensin> rizen - Well, MINE is a mess.  :-P
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00:00 <+perlDreamer> SDuensin: always read the gotchas file
00:00 <+perlDreamer> Immer
00:00 <+perlDreamer> Siempre
00:00 < SDuensin> perlDreamer - I thought I did.  Guess I missed that.
00:00 < SDuensin> Oh well, no biggie.  I keep backups!
00:00 <@rizen> also i didn't use a Thingy because i wanted more customization of the output...so i used WebGUI::Crud instead to build all the objects
00:01 <@rizen> for example, i have per-field level privileges 
00:01 <@rizen> thingy isn't capable of that
00:01 < SDuensin> Well, you know just a *bit* more about the inside of WebGUI than I do at this point.  :-P
00:01 <@rizen> true
00:01 < SDuensin> But I plan on gaining on you.  :-P
00:01 <@rizen> so be it.
00:02 <@rizen> automat is going to erase plain black's biggest portions of technical debt
00:02 <+perlDreamer> testing, documentation and i18n?
00:02 < SDuensin> Automation is a Good Thing(tm).
00:02 <@rizen> nope, i said plain black, not webgui pd
00:04 <@rizen> i just finished phase 3 of 7 planned, and already we've cleaned up a good bit of stuff
00:04 <@rizen> we had 80 mail servers set up that either never should have been set up, or were no longer needed. 
00:04 <@rizen> over 100 domains we were hosting dns for that we don't need to
00:05 < SDuensin> Holy shit.
00:05 <@rizen> over 1000 dns records that were either no longer needed or should have never been set up
00:05 <@rizen> lots of cool clean up has happened as part of the data scrubbing efforts of the first 3 phases
00:06 < SDuensin> I can imagine.  I remember the mess I found when I converted an ISP from one billing system to another.
00:06 <@rizen> oh yeah, and it turns out that we were still hosting 20 or so sites for one of our clients that they no longer wanted but forgot to ask us to shut down
00:06 <@preaction> haha nice
00:11 <@rizen> SDuensin: probably the coolest feature of automat is that it will allow us to manage servers that aren't even under our control
00:11 <@rizen> or rather that aren't in our hosting environment
00:11 <@rizen> we have many clients that host their own servers, but pay us to manage them
00:11 < SDuensin> That is very cool.
00:12 <@rizen> so the way i'm building this it will allow us to manage servers external to our hosting environment
00:15 <+perlDreamer> anyone have thoughts about how to test for randomizing data?
00:15 <@rizen> perlDreamer: could you explain a bit further, out of context it doesn't make any sense to me
00:16 <+perlDreamer> I have a subroutine that randomizes the array of data that has been sent to it
00:16 <@rizen> preaction: so far Net::SSH installed in 2 seconds flat on both linux and mac (in the WRE)
00:16 <+perlDreamer> I'd like to see if it works or not
00:16 <+perlDreamer> seems very problematic
00:16 <@rizen> Net::SSH2 i have to install that library for but shouldn't be a problem
00:16 <@preaction> rizen: Net::SSH::Perl you mean?
00:16 <+perlDreamer> since in truly random data, the original order is a valid order
00:16 <@rizen> and Net::SSH::Perl is taking FOREVER to install due to the prereqs, but it seems to be working
00:17 <@preaction> then i don't know the problems I was having. i couldn't install Net::SSH::Perl because of some math lib that didn't work on OS X
00:17 <@rizen> well it may eventually crap out
00:17 <@rizen> but it is currently installing
00:17 <@preaction> Net::SSH was ungodly slow, too slow for spectre to use it in a workflow activity
00:17 <@rizen> taking about 15 minutes to go
00:17 <@preaction> but again, that was with SFTP
00:17 <@rizen> but it's working
00:18 <@rizen> yeah..haven't tried to use any of these yet
00:18 <@rizen> just trying to get them installed
00:18 <@preaction> took Net::SSH about a minute to negotiate keyexchange, connect, and login, but that might be a factor of the SSHD (a windows-based sshd)
00:19 <@rizen> perlDreamer: so you're randomizing the order of the array, not the data in the array, right?
00:19 <+perlDreamer> right
00:19 <@rizen> well it seems like it will take multiple tests
00:19 <@rizen> 1) make sure you still have the same number of elements in the array after randomizing
00:19 <@rizen> 2) do a cmp_bag on it to make sure that the structures are different
00:20 <+perlDreamer> cmp_bag will do that
00:20 <+perlDreamer> both of those
00:20 <@rizen> 3) do a isIn() on the first element of the randomized array to see if it is in the original array (or vice versa)
00:20 <@rizen> i don't think it will pd
00:21 <@rizen> because we're looking to make sure they are *not* the same
00:21 <+perlDreamer> cmp_set checks for array equality, cmp_bag just makes sure that the same elements exist in both
00:21 <@rizen> so we want the same number of elements, but the elements don't hold the same data
00:21 <@rizen> perlDreamer: but doesn't cmp_bag also make sure the elements are in the same order?
00:21 <+perlDreamer> no
00:22 <@rizen> oh really
00:22 <+perlDreamer> yeah
00:22 <+perlDreamer> that's why I use it so much
00:22 <@rizen> wow i totally misunderstood that
00:23 <@rizen> well in that case i guess you only need two tests
00:23 <@rizen> 1) cmp_bag on both arrays 
00:23 <@rizen> 2) make sure that position 0 in both arrays is not the same value
00:23 < Lisette> anyone know why in a workflow i get the userdefined by database of a post and shows me of values of the previous post?
00:23 <@rizen> though i guess since it's random, it could actually be the same value
00:23 <+perlDreamer> yeah, that's the problem
00:24 <+perlDreamer> one can check for same order
00:24 <+perlDreamer> or not same order
00:24 <+perlDreamer> but with random ordering, either is possible
00:24 <+perlDreamer> just not with the same likelihood
00:24 <@rizen> got it
00:24 <@rizen> randomize it 3 times
00:24 <@rizen> because it's not very random if all three times it's in the same order
00:25 <+perlDreamer> that's a good idea
00:25 <+perlDreamer> it's very, very unlikely for that to happen
00:25 <@rizen> unless there are only 2 elements in your array
00:26 <@rizen> then it's quite likely
00:26 <@rizen> =)
00:26 <@rizen> so make sure you have 5 or so elements in your array
00:26 <+perlDreamer> I thought about taking the Shawshank Script, and reducing to an array of characters and using that
00:26 <+perlDreamer> but it would be big
00:27 <@rizen> preaction: Net::SSH::Perl just locks up trying to install, that's why it was taking so long...so you were dead on with that one
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00:55 <+perlDreamer> hm
00:56 <+perlDreamer> we don't want to call cmp_bag on a big set of data
00:56 <+perlDreamer> laptop is burning a hole through my levis
00:58 < SDuensin> hehe
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01:00 <@preaction> perlDreamer: why not see if "sort @array eq randomize( sort @array )"
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01:00 <+perlDreamer> preaction, that might be faster than cmp_bag
01:01 <+perlDreamer> I just reduced the number of elements from 1499 to 49
01:01 <@preaction> alternatively, if you just want to ensure that both arrays have the same elements, you could sort and compare
01:01 <@preaction> since it's Possible for a randomized array to equal exactly the array that went in
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02:27 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8930 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 
02:27 < CIA-41> WebGUI: Tests for createSurveyOrder and shuffle.
02:27 < CIA-41> WebGUI: POD for several methods.
02:40 <+perlDreamer> WebGUI ships with 247 templates
03:17 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8931 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 
03:17 < CIA-41> WebGUI: Add tests for nextSectionid, nextSection, currentSection.
03:17 < CIA-41> WebGUI: Add more POD to ResponseJSON
03:17 < CIA-41> WebGUI: graham * r8932 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/Help/PayDriver_ITransact.pm: fixing PayDriver_ITransact help
03:17 < CIA-41> WebGUI: graham * r8933 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.5.6 release
03:17 < CIA-41> WebGUI: jt * r8934 /experimental/Automat/ (bin/automatshell lib/Automat/Shell.pm bin): server shell protocol demystified
03:26 <@Haarg> oops on version number :/
03:31 <@preaction> uhoh
03:32 <@Haarg> only in the commit message
03:32 <@Haarg> so it doesn't really matter
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03:58 < CIA-41> WebGUI: jt * r8935 /releases/WebGUI_7.5.36-stable: Release 7.5.36-stable
03:58 < CIA-41> WebGUI: graham * r8936 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (4 files in 4 dirs): preparing for 7.5.37 dev
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04:51 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, what did I do to the ITransact help?
04:51 <+perlDreamer> I ran the test on it and it came up clean
04:51 <+perlDreamer> maybe I tweaked it more?
04:52 <+perlDreamer> oh, I see
04:52 <+perlDreamer> that's just embarrassing
04:58 <+perlDreamer> tavisto, I've looked into the WebGUI wikipedia issue about needing additional citations.
04:58 <@tavisto> yeah, what's the dealio
04:58 <+perlDreamer> Wikipedia does not allow "original sources".  In other words, you cannot refer to yourself as a citation
04:59 <+perlDreamer> the only citations are back to webgui and plainblack
04:59 <+perlDreamer> here's what ya need to do
04:59 <+perlDreamer> Find every article on WebGUI on the net
04:59 <+perlDreamer> the thing I wrote on Newsforge, ehab's article, et cetera
04:59 <+perlDreamer> then use those as sources for various segments in the article
04:59 <@tavisto> some douchebag deleted our plain black listing.. said it was blatant advertising
04:59 <@tavisto> seems like a lot of work
05:00 <+perlDreamer> it could be
05:00 <+perlDreamer> they can be articles written by PB people and published in other places
05:00 <+perlDreamer> that's fine
05:00 <+perlDreamer> just need stuff outside the PB websites
05:01 <@preaction> you know it's the other CMS companies just trolling
05:01 <+perlDreamer> it's easy to find joomla articles
05:01 <+perlDreamer> and drupal articles
05:01 <@tavisto> alright, maybe I can get JT to have Tera work on that.. sounds really boring to me
05:01 <@tavisto> :)
05:01 <+perlDreamer> dude, it is so up your alley :)
05:02 <@tavisto> we've got a bunch of articles going out to a ton of publications thru this PR company we're working with
05:02 <@tavisto> if things go as planned, it's going to be great exposure for WebGUI and PB
05:02 <+perlDreamer> see, those would be perfect to use
05:02 <+perlDreamer> after they're published
05:02 <@tavisto> the other nice thing.. is the fact that we got our first approval for a success story with the DoS
05:02 <@tavisto> Doug, it's your baby... Alumni
05:02 <@tavisto> gotcha perldreamer, I'm just not interested in the task.. that's all
05:03 <+perlDreamer> Y'all will have to salute Hillary when you see her, now
05:03 <@tavisto> But, I'm sure it's something Tera could bang out easily
05:03 <+perlDreamer> print publications are okay, too
05:03 <+perlDreamer> newspapers, magazines
05:03 <+perlDreamer> not just online stuff
05:03 <@tavisto> yep these are
05:03 <@tavisto> Government Computing News
05:03 <@tavisto> University Business
05:03 <@tavisto> I'm scheduling a webinar with the editor of Website Magazine
05:03 <@tavisto> I guess it's a big publication
05:03 <@tavisto> we'll see.
05:04 <@tavisto> They use community server so I'm not selling them on a CMS.. but rather impressing them to get an article done on us
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05:17 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8938 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/t/Macro/AdminBar.t: a few AdminBar tests
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05:32 < daviddelikat> > use Perl Daily Newsletter
05:32 < daviddelikat> > In this issue:
05:32 < daviddelikat> >     * Bulgarian Perl Workshop
05:32 < daviddelikat> road trip!
05:34 < daviddelikat> say is there a tool to pretty print the YAHOO js for easier debugging?
05:35 <@tavisto> there's an perl conf in orlando coming up too
05:35 <@tavisto> perl oasis is what it is
05:35 < daviddelikat> maybe orlando would be a better road trip
05:35 <@tavisto> yep we were invited since an ex-pb staff member's company is sponsoring it
05:36 <@tavisto> problem being we're having our company meeting in Madison on the week it's going on
05:36 <@tavisto> looks cool tho for a 1-day conf
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05:46 <@tavisto> haarg, if you act fast, you can still buy the domain www.do.me
05:46 <@Haarg> heh
05:46 <@tavisto> my buddy just sent me that URL because they were joking around about getting a .me URL.. and then found that one was still available
05:46 <@tavisto> so hey would be a great site for advertising yourself to the ladies
05:46 <@tavisto> hahaha
05:46 <@tavisto> I didnt believe it was available but I checked and it is!
05:47 <@tavisto> oh well.. guess that's my fun fact for the evening. ttyl all
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05:58 < CIA-41> WebGUI: Add more AdminBar tests.
05:58 < CIA-41> WebGUI: Fix adminbar macro to handle bad asset classes without dying.
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14:04 < Dragonite> after installing webgui i get the error Can't locate object method "open" via package "WebGUI::Session" at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/URL/Content.pm line 54 in my apache errlog.... Did i miss something during the install?
14:20 <+BartJol> have you put your domain in the /etc/hosts file?
14:46 < CIA-41> WebGUI: yung * r8940 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 3 dirs): matrix bug fixes
14:56 < Dragonite> BartJol: Yes i did...
14:58 <+BartJol> ok, that's one easy to forget and causes errors
14:59 <+BartJol> copied de log en spectre original confs to actual ones?
14:59 <+BartJol> s/de/the
15:00 < Dragonite> i am running the webgui on a internal network addres.... The name is resolved to the ip on the gateway which is forwarded to the particalus machine.... Can this be the cause of the problems i am expiriencing?
15:01 < Dragonite> in the etc dir are spectre.conf en log.conf
15:02 <+BartJol> ok, that's good
15:02 <+BartJol> but the forwarding should work
15:02 <+BartJol> but I'm not an expert in that field
15:03 < Dragonite> should extraPath in the domain.comf point to the www dir off the domain of to the default www dir in WebGUI?
15:04 <+BartJol> no
15:04 <+BartJol> to the extras dir in www
15:05 < Dragonite> ok
15:12 < CIA-41> WebGUI: martin * r8941 /experimental/Bazaar/ (4 files in 3 dirs): 
15:12 < CIA-41> WebGUI:  - Fixed a bug where editSave would save all properties.
15:12 < CIA-41> WebGUI:  - Fixed a bug where each Bazaar showed Bazaar Items from all Bazaars on the site.
15:12 < CIA-41> WebGUI:  - Templated Bazaar and BazaarItem.
15:12 < CIA-41> WebGUI: NOTE: DB Schema changed! columns templatedId and bazaarItemTemplateId were added to the bazaar table.
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15:49 < Dragonite> Im experiencing errors after a source install in apaches's error.log: \Can't locate object method "open" via package "WebGUI::Session" at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/URL/Content.pm line 54.
15:55 <+BartJol> mmm got a workflow problem, they don't seem to disappear even if they're complete
15:56 <+BartJol> in the modperl error log there is a notification that cachekey shouldn't be undefined
15:57 <+BartJol> webgui.log is empty
15:57 <+BartJol> but I'm running a galleyimport too
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16:00 <+BartJol> wasn't there a bug on something like this? I couldn't find it
16:01 <+BartJol> they are set to workflows with title "(no title)"
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16:09 <+BartJol> perlmonkey2: you have any idead on my workflow getting stuck?
16:19 <@perlmonkey2> BartJol: j/s i just opened my laptop up for th emorning :)
16:20 <@perlmonkey2> hmm, that doesn't ring a bell at all.  I'm no ninja on Workflows, but maybe if you pasted the modperl error?
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16:24 <+BartJol> sure no problem
16:24 <+BartJol> DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Column 'cachekey' cannot be null at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Cache/Database.pm line 184.
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16:28 <@perlmonkey2> BartJol: Google says you are alone in this problem :(  This happened when you were importing into a Gallery?
16:30 <+BartJol> well, the problems don't get less, but the sites with the problems are in a shared instance with the one I am running the import script for
16:31 <+BartJol> Too many workflows on www.ourdomain.nl webgui74.procolix.com
16:31 <+BartJol> that's what the wre sens us
16:31 <+BartJol> and there are a 1000+ workflows
16:33 <+BartJol> the import script is mainly irritating because it's already running for 4 hours
16:33 <+BartJol> so I can't do much with site restarting stuff
16:34 <+BartJol> maybe that's theoretically incorrect, but I'd rather not upgrade and import at the same time
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16:41 <+BartJol> mm, in debug mode, the amount of instances seems to shrink
16:42 <+BartJol> but it's all for 1 site.. well, maybe just wait
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17:00 <+BartJol> oh and 1000+ is also 3000+
17:00 <+BartJol> and descreasing
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17:47 < SDuensin> Morning.
17:47 <@rizen> afternoon
17:47 < SDuensin> Feels like that.
17:48 < SDuensin> Nothing like starting your day and having the internet fall out from under you.
17:48 <@rizen> you should have 5 internet connections running to your house
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17:49 < SDuensin> If I could, I would.  I do have an EVDO backup.  :-)
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18:16 <+perlDreamer> Who is xtopher?
18:18 <@rizen> xtopher is one of our clients
18:18 <@rizen> you've met him
18:18 <@rizen> Chris Palamara
18:18 <@rizen> department of state / CTC
18:18 <+perlDreamer> He needs to be taught some bug posting etiquette.
18:19 <+BartJol> website broke, fix! NOW!
18:19 <+perlDreamer> which one, BartJol?
18:19 <+BartJol> oh, it was an attempt for a bad bug post
18:20 <+perlDreamer> BartJol, have you tested the bugfix for the i18n server, with the translators notes?
18:20 <+BartJol> I haven't written a script for it
18:20 <+perlDreamer> Maybe that was Bernd_'s bug that I'm thinking of
18:21 <+BartJol> I only said that I want comments
18:22 <+BartJol> and my collegue says that the galleryImport script is a mastodont... it is running since 11:30 am so 6 hours
18:22 <+BartJol> and I can only drink beer after it has finished
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18:25 <+BartJol> oh and I have done a bid on a house and it was accepted, now I have to arrange my mortgage
18:26 <+perlDreamer> All right!
18:26 <+perlDreamer> Party at Bart's house.
18:27 <+BartJol> sure, you're invited, maybe it will be a byob party, but whatever
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18:38 <@Haarg> perlDreamer, you can ignore that bug xtopher posted - perlmonkey2 is going to handle it
18:38 <+perlDreamer> okay
18:38 <+perlDreamer> poor perlmonkey2
18:39 <@Haarg> it's a combination of a few things, but the actual bug is that the 7.5 SC is locking on some rss feeds
18:43 < CIA-41> WebGUI: yung * r8942 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): matrix compare screen bugfix
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19:05 <+BartJol> it is already an hour past beertime, so good bye! have a nice weekend
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19:39 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8943 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.6.7/ (4 files): Remove old discussion related items from the Article templates.
19:39 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8944 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ResponseJSON.pm: 
19:39 < CIA-41> WebGUI: Add section separator comments between the subroutines.
19:39 < CIA-41> WebGUI: Add a few checks to getNextSection* so that it won't autovivify array elements
19:39 < CIA-41> WebGUI: past the end of the survey order array.
19:39 < CIA-41> WebGUI: translation * r8945 /translations/Croatian/ (176 files in 2 dirs): Update from translation server
19:42 <+perlDreamer> wow
19:42 <+perlDreamer> German is now the second most complete WebGUI translation
19:42 <+perlDreamer> due to their hard work, and the slowly eroding Arabic translation
19:42 <+perlDreamer> good work, Klaus and Bernd!
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21:04 < s4eek> .iploc 71.195.116.135
21:04 < s4eek> wrong channel
21:05 <@rizen> it is? holy crap yeah. Way to go Klaus and Bernd_ 
21:06 <@rizen> wow spanish isn't looking too shabby these days either
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21:20 <+perlDreamer> no, the translators are kicking butt, for the most part
21:21 <+perlDreamer> I'm guessing that Ehab hasn't upgraded in a long time, otherwise arabic would be in better shape
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21:21 <+perlDreamer> speaking of which, greets to our Master German Translator
21:22 < Bernd__> Who?
21:23 <+perlDreamer> Sie
21:24 <+perlDreamer> You.  German is now the 2nd most complete translation
21:25 < Bernd__> Why so formal? You can say "du" to me :-)
21:25 <+perlDreamer> Dutzen wir?
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21:25 <+perlDreamer> Thanks!
21:25 < Bernd__> That means, if you agree!
21:26 <+perlDreamer> You bet.
21:26 <+perlDreamer> Naturlich
21:26 < Bernd__> I can use "you" or "you". You have the free choice.
21:27 < Bernd__> Wasn't me, btw, who has done a lot of translation work recently.
21:27 < Bernd__> I only started this week again.
21:27 <+perlDreamer> Was that Klaus, or someone else?
21:27 < Bernd__> I suspect Klaus or Martien.
21:27 < Bernd__> The both prefer to work in the hidden.
21:28 < Bernd__> They
21:29 < Bernd__> perlDreamer, is it difficult to hack the translation server?
21:29 < Bernd__> There are a number of things I would like to change.
21:30 <+perlDreamer> Bernd_: I know that wG is in a RFE lockdown, but the translation server is another deal.
21:30 <+perlDreamer> I would guess that RFEs can be implemented on an ongoing basis
21:30 < Bernd__> What is an RFE lockdown?
21:30 < Bernd__> No more RFEs until 7.7?
21:31 <+perlDreamer> No new features at all for 7.5
21:31 <+perlDreamer> I'm not sure on 7.6, but I think we branch for 7.7 soon
21:31 < Bernd__> Or until 8?
21:31 < Bernd__> Oh, that's not too bad.
21:31 < Bernd__> I have learned to be patient.
21:31 <+perlDreamer> just 7.7
21:32 < Bernd__> Have you ever tried to install a dev version of the tranlsation server on your notebook?
21:32 <+perlDreamer> yes
21:32 <+perlDreamer> it's a bit of work, but not too bad
21:32 <+perlDreamer> I need to scoot to an appointment, I'll be back about 1:00pm local time
21:33 < Bernd__> Alright, good night in advance!
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21:37 < CIA-41> WebGUI: nextQuestions tests.
21:37 < CIA-41> WebGUI: Add POD, and make sure that answers returned by nextQuestions are safe refs.
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22:32 < topsub> whoa choc rush thanks to rizen!
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23:00 <@perlmonkey2> anyone bored?  upgrade 7.4.40-7.5.16 line 2748, that is dieing during the upgrade do to DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Unknown column 'assetId' in 'field list' at ../../lib/WebGUI/SQL/ResultSet.pm line 135.
23:01 <@perlmonkey2> But looking at the DB before the upgrade, both tables in that query have an assetId column.
23:08 <@perlmonkey2> Nothing else in that upgrade script could explain why Event all of a sudden no longer has an assetId.
23:12 <@Haarg> are you certain that is the line giving you problems?
23:13 <@perlmonkey2> that is the exceptoin thrown.  I'm trying to break the upgrade script right before tha tline so I can see the DB state.
23:14 <@perlmonkey2> although i guess I don't need to break it.  Just look at the db after the upgrade dies.
23:15 <@perlmonkey2> Converting Related Links from Event table to Event_relatedlink table
23:15 <@perlmonkey2> DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Unknown column 'assetId' in 'field list' at ../../lib/WebGUI/SQL/ResultSet.pm line 135.
23:15 <@perlmonkey2> <h1>Problem With Request</h1>
23:15 <@perlmonkey2> 		We have encountered a problem with your request. Please use your back button and try again.
23:15 <@perlmonkey2> 		If this problem persists, please contact us with what you were trying to do and the time and date of the problem.<br /><br />INFOCENTRAL<br />infocentral-state@getusinfo.com<br />https://infocentral.state.govLabel not found for "last WEBGUI_FATAL" at ../../lib/WebGUI/Session/ErrorHandler.pm line 235.
23:15 <@perlmonkey2> 	Processing upgrade executable failed!
23:17 <@rizen> you're welcome topsub
23:19 <@rizen> perlmonkey2
23:19 <@perlmonkey2> rizen: 
23:20 <@rizen> i recommend adding the following line
23:20 <@rizen> at 2747
23:20 <@rizen> sorry not a line
23:20 <@rizen> but at 2747
23:20 <@rizen> do a describe Event
23:20 <@rizen> and return that
23:20 <@perlmonkey2> okay
23:20 <@rizen> it will show you what the table looks like
23:21 <@rizen> and it may help you debug
23:22 <@rizen> perlmonkey2 when these problems happen, you are doing a full restore, right?
23:22 <@perlmonkey2> yeah, to the last stage in the upgrade
23:22 <@rizen> drop the database, recreate it, and restore last upgrade
23:22 <@perlmonkey2> but it is from a 7.3 db and I'm on the 7.4.40 to 7.5
23:22 <@perlmonkey2> yep
23:22 <@rizen> k
23:23 <@rizen> did these databases have all sorts of backported crap in them?
23:23 <@rizen> is that why this is taking so long?
23:23 <@perlmonkey2> yes, tons and tons
23:24 <@rizen> there is another thing that can help you
23:24 <+perlDreamer> beer!
23:24 <@rizen> so for example, you're at 7.4.40 right now
23:24 <@perlmonkey2> and this looks like it is some default asset, probably a tmeplate, that was changed, but I didn't put an exception for some alteration in whatever upgrade changed it, and now the assetId is missing for this alteration.
23:24 <@rizen> make a test database and install a clean copy of 7.4.40 create.sql into it
23:24 <@perlmonkey2> no, I'm not at 7.4.40 anymore.  I've missed something, which is why this is breaking 
23:24 <@rizen> then use mysqldiff to compare that data
23:24 <@perlmonkey2> yeah, that was how I started
23:24 <@rizen> database
23:24 <@rizen> ok
23:25 <@perlmonkey2> it was a 7.3.17 which I diffed with a clean db.
23:25 <@rizen> but i'm saying you should do it at each stage
23:25 <@rizen> well not each individual upgrade, but each stop point
23:25 <@perlmonkey2> some of the things I assumed wouldn't matter, obviously do now.  Like what a column defaults to (that must be it cause that's all I didn't account for).
23:26 <@perlmonkey2> okay, but if I miss something, then I'll keep missing it until it breaks and upgrade.
23:26 <@perlmonkey2> or better yet, it won't break anything and I'll catch it in testing.  or even better, not catch it in testing and the client finds it in a month.
23:27 <@rizen> i have no idea what you're talking about...i'm telling you how to find some problems and you're talking like i just told you to do something crazy
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23:50 < nuba> hey rizen, just a heads up: ive got a hands-on exam on digital circuits next monday, and also implementing a ridiculously convoluted oracle DB schema with lots of PL/SQL, thats for monday, too. 
23:50 < nuba> what this garbled crap means is im on vacation afterwards
23:51 < nuba> and then i'll be fully engaged on the map asset project
23:52 < nuba> i thought I'd be able to work on it sooner, but college workload got massive all of a sudden
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00:39 <+perlDreamer> nuba, remember that if your resistors are smoking, then something is wrong
01:04 < nuba> haha, thanks perlDreamer 
01:04 <+perlDreamer> what kind of circuitry are you building?
01:05 < nuba> its just introduction to digital circuits
01:06 <+perlDreamer> but it's hands on from the get go?
01:06 < nuba> getting a little hands on after studying karnaught maps 
01:06 < nuba> karnaughty :D
01:06 <+perlDreamer> did they introduce glitch coverage?
01:06 < nuba> nope
01:06 <+perlDreamer> they will, or should
01:07 < nuba> until now, weve just seen basic logic gates, and simple automation setups
01:07 <+perlDreamer> well, glitch coverage works like this
01:07 < nuba> using circuit maker here and there
01:07 <+perlDreamer> when you transition from state to state in a karnaugh map, sometimes all the bits don't transition at the same time
01:08 <+perlDreamer> this can cause you to glitch into bad states
01:08 <+perlDreamer> which, based on your decode logic, can lead to bad things
01:08 <+perlDreamer> so, to cover glitches, you decode more states than necessary
01:09 < nuba> hmmm. thats new stuff
01:09 < nuba> see, these things dont happen when you simulate on circuit maker
01:09 <+perlDreamer> they might in your hands on test ;)
01:11 < nuba> yeah
01:11 < nuba> well
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01:44 < CIA-41> WebGUI: Add POD stubs, fully document goto.
01:44 < CIA-41> WebGUI: Prevent recordResponses from autovivifying mcHash keys. From page to page of
01:44 < CIA-41> WebGUI: questions it does not matter, but if two questions in the same page have an
01:44 < CIA-41> WebGUI: unrecognized, type, the second will be processed differently from the first.
01:44 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8951 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ResponseJSON.t: goto tests.
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02:38 < HomeMech> *sigh* finally some time to play with webgui :-)
03:03 <@rizen> that's great news nuba
03:07 <@rizen> HomeMech: i thought you were building a site in webgui?
03:07 < HomeMech> rizen: I am... just very slowly :-P
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03:07 <@rizen> hopefully slowly due to a lack of time rather than some fault with webgui
03:07 < HomeMech> I've got a bazillion things goin on right now ... yeah... 
03:07 < HomeMech> its a time thing mostly
03:08 < HomeMech> it is requiring me to re-visit my perl though - haven't done that in 10 years
03:09 <@rizen> perl is good to be revisited
03:09 < HomeMech> yeah - I suppose
03:10 < HomeMech> all the script langs are so close to each other, I don't really mind what I use
03:11 < HomeMech> perl is a bit 'looser' in its OO stuff though
03:12 < HomeMech> hmm - actually - perl is sorta like 'C' - its not the lang. that takes time to learn, its all the $@#%#$% libs :-P
03:13 < HomeMech> rizen: hmm - it appears 'upgrade' scripts expect some parameters ?   We should stick a usage/help message in the skeleton file
03:14 <@rizen> you're never supposed to all an upgrade script manually
03:14 <@rizen> you're supposed to run sbin/upgrade.pl
03:14 < HomeMech> oh, oops
03:14 <@rizen> and it has full usage
03:14 <@rizen> =)
03:14 < HomeMech> kay - thanks :-)
03:17 < HomeMech> rizen: Hmm - it appears there is some magic associated with upgrade version numbers ?
03:17 < HomeMech> I'm adding a custom 'workflow event' for when a user is updated
03:18 < HomeMech> so I set $toVersion="7.6.7client" in my update script
03:18 < HomeMech> and I saved it as 'clientUpdate.pl'...
03:18 < HomeMech> but thats not going to work with upgrade.pl, right ?
03:18 <@rizen> oh now i understand what you're doing
03:19 <@rizen> no...the webgui upgrade system doesn't allow for third-party plugins ... *yet*
03:19 <@rizen> what you need to do is just write your upgrade as a utility script
03:19 <@rizen> use the utility skeleton in sbin
03:19 <@rizen> sorry about that..didn't understand what you were doing before
03:19 < HomeMech> is it safe to run a '_upgrade' skel based script directly and just manually pass in the config file ?
03:19 < HomeMech> ahh - dam, I used the wrong skeleton
03:20 <@rizen> technically those upgrade scripts and therefore the upgrade skeleton are just a special type of utility script..so if you want to use that you're welcome to
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03:21 <@rizen> but the upgrade skel is built just for PB developers, and wasn't intended to be used by third parties
03:21 < HomeMech> eh - it was only like 3 lines of code - I'll just paste it into the right skeleton
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03:25 < HomeMech> rizen: I don't understand the settings stuff...
03:25 < HomeMech> rizen: I have $session->setting->add("runOnUpdateUser", "0");
03:26 < HomeMech> (thats basically the only non-skeleton line in the file)
03:26 < HomeMech> how does that 'know' the setting should only be applied to user profiles/objects ?
03:26 < HomeMech> or does every object get a copy of every setting ?
03:27 <@rizen> heh
03:27 <@rizen> it's not magic
03:27 <@rizen> what version are you running? 7.5 or 7.6?
03:27 <@rizen> i'll point you to the code
03:27 < HomeMech> its 7.6.7 svn checkout from about an hour ago
03:27 <@rizen> k
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03:30 <@rizen> oh, you're trying to add that property
03:31 < HomeMech> yeah - I want to be able to trigger a workflow when a user profile is edited
03:31 <@rizen> you have to trigger it somewhere in the code then
03:31 <@rizen> a trigger looks like: WebGUI::Workflow::Instance->create(...);
03:31 <@rizen> for example
03:32 < HomeMech> yeah - I have to copy the stuff from operations ... yeah, I got that part from perldreamer :-)_
03:32 <@rizen> about 1/3 of the way down
03:32 <@rizen> ok so your setting comes into play when you create the trigger
03:32 <@rizen> WebGUI::Workflow::Instance->create($self->session, {
03:32 <@rizen> 			workflowId=>$self->session->setting->get("runOnRegistration"),
03:32 <@rizen> 			methodName=>"new",
03:32 <@rizen> 			className=>"WebGUI::User",
03:32 <@rizen> 			parameters=>$self->session->user->userId,
03:32 <@rizen> 			priority=>1
03:32 <@rizen> 			})->start;
03:32 <@rizen> every $session has a reference to the settings
03:33 <@rizen> as you can see on line 2 of my paste
03:33 <@rizen> workflowId => 
03:33 <@rizen> get it?
03:33 < HomeMech> so settings are global and all objects have access to all settings ?
03:33 <@rizen> not all objects
03:33 <@rizen> the session object
03:33 <@rizen> and all objects have access to the session
03:33 < HomeMech> ok
03:34 <@rizen> sorry, i must be stupid tonight cuz i seem to keep missing your questions
03:34 < HomeMech> so you can't have 2 different workflows for two different content types ? like say after updating a 'poll' do workflow 'a', but after updating a 'blog' do workflow b ?
03:35 <@rizen> sure you could...but our content approval workflows don't work on asset types, they work on version tags
03:35 <@rizen> so you could do one of two things
03:35 < HomeMech> you need to define a new 'label' (setting->get('foo') ) for each action/content type pair you want to support ?
03:35 <@rizen> 1) you could add triggers to both the poll and the blog
03:36 <@rizen> 2) you could add a workflow activity that checks what types of assets there are in the version tag and fires off additional workflows from the content approval workflow
03:36 <@rizen> no
03:36 <@rizen> that's really only for global things like users
03:37 <@rizen> for example
03:37 <@rizen> the collaboration asset and the wiki asset
03:37 <@rizen> actually have their own triggers
03:37 <@rizen> for doing approval processes for their children (threads and wiki pages)
03:38 <@rizen> so there the property of which workflow to run is stored in the properties of the asset itself
03:38 <@rizen> you store stuff in the settings table, when you don't have another place to store it
03:38 < HomeMech> ahh
03:39 <@rizen> so in your case you want your workflow to be triggered when any user updates their account...so that's global by the nature of the word *any*
03:39 <@rizen> probably the biggest weakness of the workflow system right now is just that we don't have enough triggers
03:39 <@rizen> we should have triggers on everything
03:39 <@rizen> but i just haven't gotten around to it
03:40 < HomeMech> so the collaboration and wiki assets have 'custom' dont use 'workflowId=>$self->session->setting->get("runOnRegistration"),' they get the workflow to run from some field in $self ?
03:40 <@rizen> exactly
03:41 <@rizen> WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::WikiMaster has a property called approvalWorkflow
03:41 <@rizen> which is used whenever a new WebGUI::Asset::WikiPage is created as a child of it
03:41 <@rizen> that way each wiki can have it's own approval process for pages in it
03:42 <@rizen> same is true of collaboration system, photo gallery, event calendar, etc
03:42 <@rizen> the property may not always be called "approvalWorkflow" 
03:42 <@rizen> but they all have one
03:42 < HomeMech> rizen: ahh - I'm just gonna have to get used to the 'inverted' workflow stuff.. generally, you throw an 'event' and some generic service/code fires off things for you - but webgui hardcodes the 'firing' of stuff in the object
03:43 < HomeMech> ok - its starting to gel a bit
03:43 <@rizen> they've hardcoded the onSomethingHappened event for you rather than the workflow trigger
03:43 < HomeMech> so my code is just adding an entry to a 'global' settings table somewhere, thats accessible to anything that cares to query the $session for it..
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03:44 <@rizen> we have some of that too for example in the new shop there are a bunch of onSomethingHappened events triggered
03:45 < HomeMech> rizen: eh ? that lost me...does webgui have 'real' event dispatch as well as the direct call/instantiation stuff ?
03:45 <@rizen> the user account and auth systems are just old. they'll be getting an overhaul in WebGUI 8 and then there will be onUserUpdate, etc
03:45 <@rizen> added to it
03:45 < HomeMech> LOL  :-) 
03:45 < HomeMech> its a good way for me to learn :-)
03:45 <@rizen> HomeMech, you do understand that there's no such thing as 'real'  vs 'unreal' event dispatch
03:45 <@rizen> it's just a method
03:46 <@rizen> we just haven't created the damn methods
03:47 < HomeMech> well - in perl you would have a 'two step' dispatch vs. the current 'direct' dispatch (unless you wanted to frutz around with doing stuff in eval() and trapping exceptions/events )
03:47 < HomeMech> in stuff like python or java, the distinction is much clearer as they actually support events/exceptions
03:47 <@rizen> I understand in a multi-threaded environment you can have a seperate thread handling subscribe and unsubscribe event queues...but here we're talking about mod_perl...so single process single thread, no async background processing
03:48 < HomeMech> but in perl - yeah, it would just be something like $globalDispatch('myEvent', $self) 
03:48 < HomeMech> rizen: actually, I was thinking more along the lines off 'ease of maintenance' ?
03:49 < HomeMech> for instance, say I decide I want to run multiple things off one 'event' or I want to 'dispatch' multiple 'events' when somethign happends
03:49 <@rizen> yeah...not going to happen
03:49 < HomeMech> with an 2 step dispatch its  slightly easier to do it
03:49 <@rizen> instead, webgui will trigger an "event" in the workflow system
03:49 <@rizen> and then you can do whatever you want from there
03:50 < HomeMech> right - or I have to add another 'create workflow' call for the other workflow(s)
03:50 <@rizen> i realize it's less flexible, because you're asynchronous 
03:50 <@rizen> homeMech, youre workflow can create another workflow
03:50 <@rizen> so there's no reason to allow you to attach multiple workflows to the same event through some other mechanism
03:51 < HomeMech> eh - its not really less flexible - it just means you have to add the calls where there are 'used' as opposed to having a 'central' place to put them all
03:51 < HomeMech> just a little different is all
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04:51 <+perlDreamer> so what's the big drive going to be in 7.7, rizen?
04:52 <@rizen> converting WebGUI into TurdGUI
04:52 <@rizen> how it will work is that i'll just accept every possible RFE that everyone ever makes
04:52 <+perlDreamer> I predict a 16% increase in the size of webgui
04:52 <@rizen> with no regard to performance, security, or anything esle
04:52 <+perlDreamer> based on the new length of the name
04:53 <@rizen> and everyone will be happy
04:53 <@rizen> except me
04:53 <+perlDreamer> and here I thought you'd rewrite it in seaside
04:53 <@rizen> but that's ok
04:53 < HomeMech> rizen: does that mean my "makeMargarita" RFE is out ? :-)
04:53 <@rizen> seaside?
04:53 <+perlDreamer> It's a small talk web framework
04:53 <+perlDreamer> smalltalk
04:53 <@rizen> no, in TurdGUI HomeMech you can have any RFE you want
04:53 <@rizen> ah
04:54 < HomeMech> rizen: seaside is 'continuation' based - its kinda cool - lets you do webpages like subroutine calls...
04:54 <+perlDreamer> TurdGUI is kind of like Windows Vista
04:54 <@rizen> there's actually no one unified thing for 7.7...i'm actually already thinking WebGUI 8
04:54 < HomeMech> so you return back to where you were
04:54 <@rizen> i know continuations
04:55 <@rizen> Jifty has continuations in perl, even though continuations are supposedly impossible in perl.
04:55 <@rizen> the todo list is this:
04:56 <@rizen> story manager
04:56 <@rizen> pay pal gateway
04:56 <@rizen> usps shipping gateway
04:57 < HomeMech> ah cool - I'll have to google that sometime.  Is it a web toolkit or something more generic ?
04:57 <@rizen> and hopefully a few of the following
04:57 <@rizen> death of the cs
04:57 <@rizen> wgfs
04:57 <@rizen> asset manager 2.0
04:57 <@rizen> photo editing
04:58 < HomeMech> on line photo editing is nice - but its always so slow....
04:58 <@rizen> we're talking basic stuff, like crop, rotate, resize
04:58 <+perlDreamer> rizen, at one point, I promised to help with some template i18n label changes
04:58 < HomeMech> ahh - rotate would be slick...
04:59 <+perlDreamer> you still up for that?
04:59 <@rizen> and those things will be fairly fast
04:59 < HomeMech> its annoying how often I have to rotate stuff - seems like I'm always getting stuff sideways
04:59 <@rizen> perlDreamer: i still would love to do that and i'll work with you if you want to do it...unfortunately i have a certain list of things that clients are pushing on
05:00 <@rizen> jifty is a web framework
05:00 < HomeMech> ahh - I don't think I've run into that one ...
05:00 <@rizen> it can sort of be an anything framework, but it's mostly meant for web systems
05:00 <+perlDreamer> rizen, pDC is willing to do that task probono for the good of WebGUI
05:01  * HomeMech googles
05:01 <@rizen> consider it yours then pd
05:01 <@rizen> http://jifty.org/view/HomePage
05:01 < HomeMech> oh thanks
05:01 <@rizen> i like jifty, but can't stand jesse vincent
05:01 <@rizen> he can take his pony and shove it up his @$$
05:02 < HomeMech> hmm - why does that name sound familiar ?? pony ??
05:02 <@rizen> he is the inventor of RT
05:02 <@rizen> and owns Best Practical
05:02 < HomeMech> thats right
05:02 < HomeMech> dam - I haven't looked at RT in dogs years
05:02 < HomeMech> he's annoying ?
05:03 < HomeMech> ahh... found the pony
05:06 <@rizen> in some ways he's annoying because he's like me, and i find me annoying quite frequently
05:06 < HomeMech> heh
05:06 <@rizen> in other ways he's annoying because he believes there is a "right way" to do things
05:06 <@rizen> as in one way
05:06 <@rizen> or at least that's the way he comes off when you talk to him in person
05:07 < HomeMech> heh - I feel that way about DHH and a few of the python guys
05:07 <@rizen> which is wierd, since perl is his language of choice
05:11 < HomeMech> rizen: the reason 'one true way' is good is because programmers are getting dumber
05:11 < HomeMech> if you give them choices, lilke perl does - they invariably do something stupid
05:12 <@rizen> but if you make them believe there is one true way, then they'll never get any smarter
05:12 < HomeMech> true - but my goal is to turn a profit and retain my sanity - not teach CS 101
05:13 < HomeMech> it seems like coders these days are either nitwit that just barely know some java or dot net...
05:13 <@rizen> my goal is to become independently wealthy and fund all kinds of cool hobby projects
05:14 < HomeMech> or phd's that only work in 'niche' language like lisp or erlang....
05:14 < HomeMech> (or *shudder* haskell )
05:14 < HomeMech> that would be cool
05:14 <@rizen> donchugotalkinbout haskell
05:14 < HomeMech> LOL
05:14 < HomeMech> I don't
05:14 < HomeMech> I worked with a guy that _loved_ it...
05:15 < HomeMech> I started bleeding thru the eyes just looking at it
05:15 <@rizen> i've never actually seen it
05:16 <@rizen> the only languages i've worked with in the past 10 years are java, perl, and ruby
05:16 <@rizen> i don't count the 2 C# programs i wrote
05:16 <@rizen> =)
05:16 < HomeMech> ruby seemed pretty slick - but nobody could ever tell me what those :placeholder: thing were - and why you'd use them instead of a real var
05:17 < HomeMech> but it was pretty slow, and by then I'd gotten pretty used to python
05:17 < HomeMech> err... : placeholder :
05:19 < HomeMech> I actually envy all the tools available for java - python's 'dynamic' crap screws up everything from static analysis tools to IDE's
05:19 < HomeMech> and java is still faster then python
05:19 < HomeMech> oh crap - python 3K came out last week... I gotta check that out
05:28 <+perlDreamer> the weird thing about haskell is that everything is functional
05:28 <+perlDreamer> you can see the same kind of programming in Higher Order Perl by MJD
05:28 <+perlDreamer> no operators
05:28 < HomeMech> yeah - and since things like file I/O are considered 'side effects' it can be rather titchy...
05:30 <+perlDreamer> I went to a Haskell talk from Simon Peyton-Jones at OSCON 2007
05:31 < HomeMech> perlDreamer: I worked for a Dutch company that was big in re-engineering tools (data flow analysis, automated y2k conversions, etc.) - they had a bunch of guys into were shit...
05:31 < HomeMech> lisp, haskell, mumblity-acronym's...
05:31 < HomeMech> I think i was the only non-phd there :-P
05:32 < HomeMech> sad part was, for all that - the front end for our flagship product was writting in tcl/tk :-P
05:32 <+perlDreamer> lisp's not all that bad, it's just all the parens
05:32 <+perlDreamer> "Lisp has all the visual appeal of fingernail clippings in oatmeal."
05:32 < HomeMech> my friend keeps telling me its possible to write lisp without the parens - but I've never seen an example ?
05:33 < HomeMech> lisp = lots insipid silly parenthesis
05:33 <+perlDreamer> heh
05:33 < HomeMech> emacs = eightly megs and constantly swapping :-P
05:48 <+perlDreamer> Roast beast is a feast I can't stand in the least!
05:49 < HomeMech> Sally Sells Sea Shells by the Seaside (with continuations even ...)
05:50 < HomeMech> Hmm - I've logged into webgui as a generic user - where do I go to edit my profile ?
05:51 <+perlDreamer> Your username should be a link to your account
05:51 <+perlDreamer> but that implies that you're using a semi-default setup
05:51 <+perlDreamer> with a Login macro and the like
05:51 < HomeMech> ahh - thanks
05:52 < HomeMech> hmm - its just going here: http://72.52.81.243/home?op=auth;method=init
05:52 < HomeMech> no profile info comes up ?
05:53 <+perlDreamer> which version of wG are you using?
05:53 < HomeMech> umm - 7.6.7 svn checkout from a couple of hours ago
05:53 <+perlDreamer> okay, you should be on a page with many tabs in the Account section then
05:53 <+perlDreamer> click on the Profile tab
05:54 < HomeMech> no - it stays on the home page..
05:54 < HomeMech> (eg it appears that link does nothing)
05:54 < HomeMech> I'm not admin though - just a 'generic' user
05:55 <+perlDreamer> hm
05:55 <+perlDreamer> can you create me an account?
05:55 <+perlDreamer> to try that?
05:56 < HomeMech> pd:pd@http://72.52.81.243
05:56 < HomeMech> err.. user: pd pass: pd
05:59 < HomeMech> rizen: Donna is wondering if you have anyone available to do say a week of WebGui training in silicon valley ?
05:59 <+perlDreamer> When are you looking for that?
05:59 < HomeMech> she's trying to setup some training sessions for Open Source technologies and Agile coding
05:59 < HomeMech> perldreamer: probably march ? (at least she's doing Plone in march )
06:00 < HomeMech> she says she's flexible on the date - just needs time to advertise it, rent a hall, etc.
06:01 < HomeMech> perlDreamer: is the login / profile working for you ?
06:01 <+perlDreamer> it works exactly the same as for you
06:01 <+perlDreamer> which it shouldn't
06:01 < HomeMech> ahh - ok...
06:02 < HomeMech> oh crap - I haven't run my update yet...
06:02 < HomeMech> let me see if that fixes it...
06:02 <+perlDreamer> that might make a difference
06:02 <+perlDreamer> if not, I want to see your style template
06:02 <+perlDreamer> this sounds like a bug
06:02 <+perlDreamer> grrrrr
06:02 <+perlDreamer> HomeMech, probably best to send rizen an email
06:02 <+perlDreamer> He's definitely the guy to go to for WebGUI training
06:05 <+perlDreamer> this is definitely a bug
06:05 <+perlDreamer> It's in the a_account macro
06:05 < HomeMech> perlDreamer: yeah - I just ran the update and re-started wG..
06:05 < HomeMech> but no joy
06:05 <+perlDreamer> do me a favor, and please file a bug on this
06:05 <+perlDreamer> I'll stomp on it monday morning
06:05 < HomeMech> umm- sure
06:05 <+perlDreamer> maybe sooner, depending on how much snow we get
06:06 < HomeMech> what should I say - just " a bug in the a_account macro breaking profile pages" ?
06:06 <+perlDreamer> a bug in the a_account macro does not take you to the Account page in 7.6
06:06 < HomeMech> you got it
06:07 <+perlDreamer> thanks, HomeMech
06:08 <+perlDreamer> man, this has been broken for a very, very long time
06:08 <+perlDreamer> the account macro must not be used much
06:09 < HomeMech> LOL - figures I have to be difficult
06:09 < HomeMech> umm - would this be in the 'stable' version or 'Beta' ?
06:10 <+perlDreamer> beta
06:10 <+perlDreamer> 7.6 is beta
06:10 <+perlDreamer> You're a brave man to use it
06:10 < HomeMech> ok - and I set it to 'minor'
06:10 < HomeMech> oh really ? dam -  I thought 7.6 was close to being released ?
06:10 < HomeMech> *sigh* oh well - might as well play guinea pig while I'm learning :-)
06:11 < HomeMech> ok - bugs filed
06:11 <+perlDreamer> it'll help the community a lot
06:11 < HomeMech> can I go to /user/steve/profile or something ?
06:11 <+perlDreamer> op=auth;method=displayAccount
06:13 < HomeMech> perlDreamer: No joy with that either ?
06:14 <+perlDreamer> what's in the webgui.log file?
06:14 <+perlDreamer> something bad is happening
06:16 < HomeMech> its pissy about Account.pm - which is something I broke
06:17 <+perlDreamer> that's the problem
06:17 <+perlDreamer> the second URL fragment that I gave you should work
06:17 <+perlDreamer> once you fix the Account.pm syntax error, it'll work better :)
06:17 <+perlDreamer> do you need help with that?
06:18 < HomeMech> Hmm - I actually - I didn't touch account.pm - lemme see whats in there
06:18 <+perlDreamer> whoops, time to be a dad (I have to brush teeth tonight).  Be back in 20.
06:18 < HomeMech> :-D
06:23 < HomeMech> even after commenting out my changes to Account::Profile and restarting I get this when attemtping to access the profile page:
06:23 < HomeMech> 2008/12/13 04:13:39 - ERROR - test2.digitalmusicnews.com.conf - WebGUI::Operation::execute[60] - Can't call method "isa" on an undefined value at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Account.pm line 162.
06:30 < HomeMech> $instance = eval { WebGUI::Content::Account->createInstance($session,$identifier) };
06:30 < HomeMech> if (my $e = WebGUI::Error->caught) {
06:30 < HomeMech> lsif(!$instance->isa('WebGUI::Account')) {
06:31 < HomeMech> so it looks like the eval is returning UNDEF without setting WebGUI::Error->caught ?
06:38 < HomeMech> Hmm - looking at Content::Account.pm line 100 - it appears that $pluggin = WebGUI::Pluggable::instanciate($config->{className}, "new", [$session, $module]); 
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06:39 < HomeMech> is returning something that isn't a 'WebGUI::Account
06:39 < HomeMech> (it also appears that we're checking 'isa("WebGUI::Account") twice )
06:40 < HomeMech> it calls WebGUI::Error::InvalidOjbect->throw()  so I'm not sure what WebGUI::Error->caught isn't registering it ?
06:41 <+perlDreamer> what's wrong with the object in the first place?
06:42 < HomeMech> beats me
06:42 < HomeMech> I haven't unwound it that far
06:42 < HomeMech> it appears that $pluggin = WebGUI::Pluggable::instanciate() is unhappy
06:44 < HomeMech> it could be failing to find $config  = __PACKAGE__->getAccountConfig($session,$module,$configs);
06:44 < HomeMech> that returns an undef without logging any errors
06:45 < HomeMech> (it _does_ do a Error->throw() though, so it should still get caught on return)
06:46 <+perlDreamer> it could also be an error in the config file, in the account section
06:46 <+perlDreamer> a JSON error
06:46 <+perlDreamer> although, you didn't add that...
06:46 < HomeMech> hmm - thing is - it creates the account ?  I created one for you, and one for me ?
06:46 < HomeMech> its only when we try to view the profile page it bargs
06:47 < HomeMech> s/bargs/barfs/
06:47 < HomeMech> where is WebGUI::Error defined ?
06:47 <+perlDreamer> inside WebGUI::Exception
06:48 < HomeMech> that makes sense...
06:51 < HomeMech> Hmm - its throwing WebGUI::Error::InvalidObject  but looking to see if WebGUI::Error caught anything - could that part of the problem ?
06:53 <+perlDreamer> No, it's a subclass
06:53 < HomeMech> yeah - just found the cpan module docs
06:55 < HomeMech> hmm - its looking at WebGUI::Error->caught() but the lil sample in the docs would appear to be looking at WebGui::Exception->caught() ??
06:56 < HomeMech> (i.e. the sample is looking at the class of the container, not the actual exception )
06:58 <+perlDreamer> WebGUI::Error->caught is used all the way through WebGUI
06:59 < HomeMech> ahh - well, I'm out of ideas then
06:59 < HomeMech> the obvious answer is its returning undef without throw()ing anything
06:59 < HomeMech> but I can't see how
07:02 <+perlDreamer> there shouldn't be a return undef after the throws
07:03 < HomeMech> oh ? 
07:03 <+perlDreamer> I don't think so
07:03 <+perlDreamer> throw is like doing a nice "die"
07:03 < HomeMech> I thought that was just to prevent it returning some random pluggin type
07:03 < HomeMech> ahh - so it never gets to the return ?
07:04 <+perlDreamer> no, it's like it does get to the return, which is really weird
07:04 <+perlDreamer> Account is very, very new
07:04 <+perlDreamer> but we need to know the core reason it's trying to throw so we can recreate the problem locally for debuggin
07:05 < HomeMech> ok...
07:05 < HomeMech> whats the logging function for webGui ? I'll stick a log message in there with the value of $pluggin
07:07 <+perlDreamer> $session->log->warn
07:08 <+perlDreamer> $pluggin will be an object
07:08 <+perlDreamer> and perl objects don't pretty print by default
07:08 < HomeMech> or undef
07:08 <+perlDreamer> it won't print undef either
07:08 < HomeMech> blah
07:08 <+perlDreamer> it will stringify and say ''
07:08 < HomeMech> ok I've got a text label in there so I can detect a null output
07:08 <+perlDreamer> that's good
07:09 < HomeMech> and I put a 'gonna throw' right before the last throw() call
07:09 < HomeMech> lemme see what that gives me
07:10 < HomeMech> nada -nil - nien
07:10 <+perlDreamer> it's throwing before your logs
07:10 < HomeMech> no - i'm an idgit
07:10 < HomeMech> lemme save the dam file first
07:11 < HomeMech> (slow connection tonight)
07:11 <+perlDreamer> and restart the server
07:12  * HomeMech mutters about stupid required ';'s....
07:13 < HomeMech> still nada - adding more log messages
07:13 <+perlDreamer> is there anything farther up in the logfile?
07:13 < HomeMech> nope - that message I pasted repeats
07:14 <+perlDreamer> weird
07:17 < HomeMech> wtf? now I have connection errors with mysql
07:20 < HomeMech> now I'm getting httpd process too big
07:24 < HomeMech> I can browse the site ok...
07:24 < HomeMech> but I get a bunch of httpd process too big errors from modperl
07:24 < HomeMech> and I'm not getting any of my log messages when I attempt to hit the profile page
07:24 <+perlDreamer> I'm tapped, HomeMech
07:24 <+perlDreamer> it sounds like you're having OS problems
07:25 < HomeMech> ahh - thanks for the help :-)
07:25 < HomeMech> I'll keep messing about
07:25 < HomeMech> I've got my code in /data/client
07:25 < HomeMech> so maybe I'll just re-pull the svn code fresh and start over - see how that works
07:38 < HomeMech> ok - the apache size stuff is due to /data/wre/etc/modperl.pl 
07:39 < HomeMech> it specifies a process size limit in there
07:47 < HomeMech> ok - I increased the process sizes in modperl.pl - no more errors there
07:47 < HomeMech> and I have a fresh checkout of webGUi from svn - _without_ my changes
07:48 < HomeMech> and after creating a new user - going to &op=auth;method=displayAccount just sits at the home page without generating any errors
07:48 < HomeMech> nothing on the screen, nothing in the logs
07:50 < HomeMech> anyway - time to spend some time with da woman...
07:50 < HomeMech> later all :-)
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08:57 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8952 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 
08:57 < CIA-41> WebGUI: recordResponse tests (just a few)
08:57 < CIA-41> WebGUI: Fix a bug where if a section is terminal, and has no questions, it did not return the terminal flag as true.
08:57 < CIA-41> WebGUI: A little recordResponse POD.
08:58 < CIA-41> WebGUI: jt * r8953 /experimental/Automat/ (5 files in 4 dirs): better automat shell with a true api
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05:26 < HomeMech> Mornin all
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06:15 < HomeMech> anyone know if I need a svn version of the wre to run the svn version of wG ?
06:15 < HomeMech> I updated my svn last nite, and now I don't appear to be getting any log messages webgui.log ?
06:21 < CIA-41> WebGUI: jt * r8955 /experimental/Automat/ (5 files in 3 dirs): phase 4 well underway
06:22 < HomeMech> Ahhh
06:22 < HomeMech> I figured out my 'displayAccount' problem...
06:23 < HomeMech> I had to logout of wG, and log back in...
06:23 < HomeMech> even though I restarted wG, something needed to be cleared & re-loaded.
06:24 <@perlmonkey2> HomeMech: no, you should be able to run the latest WG svn version on a recent version of the WRE.
06:25 < HomeMech> perlmonkey2: thanks :-)  I added a couple of debug lines and don't get them - so I was wondering...
06:25 < HomeMech> in fact, /data/wre/var/logs/webgui.log is totally empty - 0 byte file
06:26 <@perlmonkey2> HomeMech: is modperl running?  do you have permissions set correctly?
06:27 < HomeMech> I assume so - I haven't changed anything - and it was logging like a bastard last nite...
06:27 < HomeMech> also, the site is up and running - so I'm guessing all the pieces are running
06:28 < HomeMech> webgui.log is owned by root
06:28 < HomeMech> but everything is running as webgui ? wtf...
06:29 < HomeMech> stoping wG, removing webGui.log
06:29 < HomeMech> restarting
06:30 < HomeMech> stupid thing comes back as owned by root again...
06:30 < HomeMech> oh - webgui doesn't automagically change effective user does it - wait - yes it does or everything would be running as root..
06:33 < HomeMech> chown'd it to 'webgui.webgui' and its still not logging anything
06:39 < HomeMech> log.conf was set to ERROR level :-P
06:39 < HomeMech> another problem solved
06:46 <@perlmonkey2> HomeMech: yeah, for tracing on a particular bug/issue, I always output to ERROR.  That way you don't have to lower your logging level and clutter up the log.
06:47 < HomeMech> yeah - the examples I found just showed 'warn' so I used that
06:47 < HomeMech> I usually use the 'default' level myself, so I dont' have to change stuff
06:48 < HomeMech> (I actually don't like log4j based logging systems... they never seem to do what I want.)
06:48 < HomeMech> generally I want to start logging at a specific level _here_ and keep logging at that level until _there_
06:48 <@perlmonkey2> HomeMech: what do you like better than log4j?  I've always found it cumbersome and painful, but I've never found anything even remotely better.  
06:49 < HomeMech> so I can 'trace' program flow, etc.  but having to 'hard code' the logging levels sorta defeats that
06:49 <@perlmonkey2> yeah, I like that.  That's exactly what I want to be able to do also
06:49 < HomeMech> I haven't found anything better
06:49 < HomeMech> I just cant believe people actually like log4j type stuff
06:49 < HomeMech> :-P
06:49 <@perlmonkey2> but at the start of *your* module, it would be nice to turn it to low level logging, then turn it back to exception loggin gfor the rest.
06:50 <@perlmonkey2> maybe there is a way to do it.
06:50 < HomeMech> right - the log messages and the 'warning level' should probably be different calls
06:51 < HomeMech> hmm - no, it actually more like an 'override'...
06:51 < HomeMech> set the default log level to 'xxx'  _EXCEPT_ for foo::bar::baz where it should be set to 'yyy'
06:51 < HomeMech> anyway, back to work
06:53 <@perlmonkey2> HomeMech: please tell me you are in Australia or someplace where it is sunny and bright and you aren't killing yourself on a Saturday night.
06:54 < HomeMech> LOL
06:54 < HomeMech> *silence*
06:54 <@perlmonkey2> doh :P
06:54 < HomeMech> I'm in San Jose, California - you ?
06:54 <@perlmonkey2> Ada, Oklahoma
06:55 <@perlmonkey2> actually I'm outside the "city"
06:55 < HomeMech> Please tell me it was named after Ada Lovelace :-)
06:55 < HomeMech> *doh!*
06:56 < HomeMech> I really need to learn to stop wG before deleting the /data/WebGUI dir :-P
06:56 <@perlmonkey2> hope you had a backup
06:56 <@perlmonkey2> no idea who the city was named for.
06:56 <@perlmonkey2> But it wasn't Lovelace
06:57 < HomeMech> nah - I'm just re-pulling the svn - so I can test my 'patching' process against a clean copy
06:58 <@perlmonkey2> I got my degree from the Uni there and got my first job as an Ada dev when my name was kicked up from a company looking for Ada programmers.  I had barely even heard of the language, but I still landed the job.  Ah, my misspent youth and that misspent sign on bonus :P
06:58 < HomeMech> LOL 
06:58 < HomeMech> I never actually did any Ada work...
06:59 < HomeMech> I can remember it was supposed to take over the world, due to the DoD mandate...
06:59 < HomeMech> but somehow, it never seemed to happen
07:00 <@perlmonkey2> Actually I never even learned the language.  I spent 5 months there and decided it wasn't for me.  New engineers spent their time testing, and between the desert and clicking yes/no on testing screens, I decided life was too short.
07:00 < HomeMech> desert ?  were you down in the southwest ?  I lived in phx for a few years...
07:01 <@perlmonkey2> Albuquerque
07:02 < HomeMech> oh ?  the naval weapons testing place ?
07:02 <@perlmonkey2> I heard Phoenix was like Albuquerque only bigger, hotter, and dryer.  
07:02 <@perlmonkey2> nope.
07:02 <@perlmonkey2> Not San Dias.
07:02 < HomeMech> phx was ok - _everything_ is AC'd so its not too bad...
07:02 <@perlmonkey2> Aircraft navigation systems.
07:03 < HomeMech> ahh - I got an offer to go out there for work on naval missle systems..
07:03 <@perlmonkey2> INS, GPS, Kalman filters.  
07:03 < HomeMech> I was worried I'd flip a sign bit and end up with missiles hitting Canada :-P
07:04 <@perlmonkey2> It was certainly an 8-5 job though.  Great benefits, and you never ever took work home with you.
07:04 <@perlmonkey2> And the pay was outstanding.
07:04 < HomeMech> yeah - contract work generally is :-)  (well paying)
07:04 <@perlmonkey2> Plus comp time so any hours you worked overtime, you could take off.
07:04 <@perlmonkey2> I don't think I worked a Friday my entire time there.
07:05 < HomeMech> I've contracted on and off for 30 years now  - my fav was when I went to phx....
07:05 <@perlmonkey2> What's the attraction of that city?
07:05 < HomeMech> because I was 'based' out of New york city - I got like $700/day tax free
07:05 <@perlmonkey2> Just seems like a big city, like any other, only in the desert.
07:05 <@perlmonkey2> nice
07:05 < HomeMech> so basically my entire pay was tax free
07:05 < HomeMech> phx is nice if your a 'day-time outdoor' person
07:05 <@perlmonkey2> I thought NY had greedy tax laws that taxed your full income as if it was in-state?
07:06 <@perlmonkey2> So that you could end up paying two state income taxes?
07:06 < HomeMech> NYC had lousy taxes
07:06 < HomeMech> but I was talking about the feds.
07:06 <@perlmonkey2> ic
07:06 <@perlmonkey2> well, they're the big hogs anyways
07:06 < HomeMech> yeah - nyc basically got pissed that everyone in jersey city and souther connecticut worked in manhattan
07:07 < HomeMech> so they just decided that if you _make_ your money in NY, you pay tax in NY
07:07 <@perlmonkey2> yeah, make their money in NYC and then take it home to spend in the burbs
07:07 < HomeMech> exactly
07:07 < HomeMech> but dam - that contract was _fun_
07:08 < HomeMech> it was like 12 (15?) years ago now... 
07:08 <@perlmonkey2> what did you do that was so fun, besides make obscene amounts of dough?
07:08 < HomeMech> but I was a single, twenty-something in a town full of hot college girls with like $4K a week of disposable income :-P
07:08 <@perlmonkey2> heh
07:09 < HomeMech> well - among other things - I think I raised the value of Stoli's stock about $3/share :-P
07:09 <@perlmonkey2> ah yes, the great american pass time.  Chasing skirt.
07:10 <@perlmonkey2> woh even uses that phrase anymore?  What am, like 90?
07:10 < HomeMech> hell yeah :-)
07:10 < HomeMech> LOL
07:10 < HomeMech> chasing tail ?
07:10 < HomeMech> my friend used to refer to it as 'ho hunting' or just 'hunting'
07:11 < HomeMech> though in my case "get shit faced drunk and go home alone" probably would have been more accurate :-)
07:13 <@perlmonkey2> I spent m crazier days in Golden, CO, and we'd usually end our nights with drunken forays into the mountains.  Hop on our scooters build a bonfire, and wake up hung over, freezing cold, and wondering where we were.
07:13 < HomeMech> Golden?  Isn't that where the Coors brewery is ?
07:13 <@perlmonkey2> I woke up once with a broken ankle.  I apparently lost at "jump over the bonfire".
07:13 < HomeMech> Must have had cheap beer, eh ?
07:13 <@perlmonkey2> Heh, yes it is......
07:14 < HomeMech> ohhh...ouch
07:14 <@perlmonkey2> When you go to the tour, ask for the "short tour".  You are taken straight to the tasting room.
07:14 < HomeMech> ROFL
07:15 <@perlmonkey2> When I was there it was 3 glasses max.  But they didn't keep close watch and they were pint glasses.
07:15 < HomeMech> heh...
07:16 < HomeMech> I was one of the lucky ones - I grew up in new hampshire - just across the river from Vermont.  So I was a 'grand-father baby' and legal to drink at 18 in Vermont
07:16 < HomeMech> (Vt. was the last state to go to 21)
07:16 <@perlmonkey2> My cousin worked there for a while.  He had stories of cleaning out the vats.  But before they would clean them, they would jump in with their mugs, and get sloshed off the remainder.
07:16 <@perlmonkey2> Heh, sweet
07:16 < HomeMech> Hehe - now that could be a fun job :-)
07:16 < HomeMech> my friend wants to give up perl coding to get into micro-brewing...
07:17 <@perlmonkey2> not sure I'd want to be on foot on the docs when the forklifts are being ran by guys with an empty case at their feet.
07:17 < HomeMech> he's an awesome coder - works for symantec... but he's my age, and getting burnt out on computers
07:17 <@perlmonkey2> well if he can get good at it, there's always money in beer.
07:17 < HomeMech> he's actually pretty good at it
07:18 < HomeMech> he just got back into it after a 3 years hiatus, and it set him back about $3k 
07:18 < HomeMech> appernetly if you want to do 'real' brewing, it's expensive :-P
07:18 <@perlmonkey2> bad time to be getting in though.  there's just been the huge micro-brew phenom and everyone and their dog has dabbled in it.
07:19 < HomeMech> yeah?  I'm more a vodka person...  Beer is getting like wine - takes you 20 minutes and a lecture in what makes 'good beer' to order a drink :-P
07:19 < HomeMech> I went to a german pub with him once - and  I swear I had like three drinks in the time it took them to pour his _first_ beer
07:19 <@perlmonkey2> Even in backwoods OK you'll find a micro in any self-respecting restaurant.
07:19 < HomeMech> it was like a 20 minute ordeal
07:20 <@perlmonkey2> heh
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07:21 < HomeMech> hmm - I wonder what pl/1 contractors are getting these days...
07:22 < HomeMech> I think stratus went out of biz.
07:22 <@perlmonkey2> I enjoy all the different speciality beers like anyone else.  But really, give me a case of Coors light and I'm just as happy.
07:22 <@perlmonkey2> pl/1  are there really people that cursed?
07:22  * HomeMech raises hand
07:23 < HomeMech> and I Liked Cobol too :-)
07:23 <@perlmonkey2> oh wow
07:23 <@perlmonkey2> oh, well then you get what you deserve :P
07:23 < HomeMech> if ya gotta work on accounting systems, Cobol is the only way to go
07:23 <@perlmonkey2> really?
07:23 <@perlmonkey2> the only way?
07:23 <@perlmonkey2> that is strong language.
07:23 < HomeMech> yeah - basically, COBOL was designed for building accounting systems
07:24 < HomeMech> its self-documenting, simple, has nice built in features
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07:24 < HomeMech> (at least nice for things like accounting)
07:24 <@perlmonkey2> it is like a language who's only purpose was for building forms in terminals and making life hell for developers.
07:24 < HomeMech> LOL 
07:24 < HomeMech> and did I mention financial companies pay mad rates ?
07:25 < HomeMech> when I was on wall st. - like 20 years ago - we had programmers pulling $200/hr.
07:25 <@perlmonkey2> they have to, cause only soulless mercenaries will program in Cobol.
07:25 < HomeMech> well - like you said - its not like you take your work home with you...
07:25 <@perlmonkey2> good point.
07:25 < HomeMech> 8 hours of Cobol for mad bank, and that leaves 16 hours to 'console' yourself :-)
07:26 <@perlmonkey2> yeah, my last job was basically 13 hour days, 6 days a week for 3 years.
07:26 <@perlmonkey2> and while it was Perl, it wasn't worth it.
07:26 < HomeMech> ouch - thats almost as bad as being self employeed
07:27 < HomeMech> dice only seems to have 1 pl/1 job listed - us customs in Boston for $75-95K
07:27 <@perlmonkey2> It was a lot of fun though.  Web mining, Psychology, NLP, incredibly hot graduate students in the Centre.  
07:28  * HomeMech hears hot students and picks up :-)
07:28 < HomeMech> s/picks/perks/
07:28 < HomeMech> Natural Language Processing in perl ?
07:28 <@perlmonkey2> and I don't know what it is about Psych students, but an incredible bunch to work with.  Just a log of really good fun people.
07:29 <@perlmonkey2> Yeah.
07:29 <@perlmonkey2> Ted Pederson's work from Deluth, mostly.
07:29 <@perlmonkey2> I mean, I used his work, not that I worked on his projects.
07:29 < HomeMech> that must have been interesting - I did a pl/1 parser in perl ... perl has some interesting features for parsers
07:29 <@perlmonkey2> RecDescent?
07:30 < HomeMech> thought for NLP, you must have had some obscene grammars
07:30 < HomeMech> Um - I think shift-reduce - its been a while
07:30 <@perlmonkey2> I'm contractrually obligated to not get into any details :P
07:30 < HomeMech> this was just before magelang put out there grammar toolkit... umm...
07:31 < HomeMech> ANTLR
07:31 <@perlmonkey2> but I don't know why the grammars would have been obscene?  just specific to their purpose.
07:31 < HomeMech> dam, I wish ANTLR had been around when I was doing that
07:31 < HomeMech> for natural language?  them must have been huge ?
07:32 <@perlmonkey2> The grammars were actually fairly straightforward, but the ontologies were incredible
07:32 < HomeMech> oh? interesting
07:32 < HomeMech> I've always wanted to learn AI techniques - but never found a contact for it...
07:33 < HomeMech> I actually think writing AI's for computer games would be kinda nice
07:33 <@perlmonkey2> AI?  NN's? 
07:33 <@perlmonkey2> expert systems?
07:33 < HomeMech> dunno - I don't know where the state of the art is these days...
07:33 <@perlmonkey2> real AI's or the rule based expert systems normally seen?
07:33 < HomeMech> there was Neural nets, fuzzy logic, expert systems, etc etc
07:34 < HomeMech> rule based game AI's sound kinda limited ?? maybe goal seeking ?
07:34 <@perlmonkey2> yeah, I'll leave that one to the pointy heads, tenured, and who's only real job is torturing grad students and writing grant proposals.
07:34 < HomeMech> LOL
07:35 < HomeMech> thats why I said for computer games :-)  I just want the small, 'fun' part of the problem
07:35 < HomeMech> cellular automata sound cool too
07:35 <@perlmonkey2> yeah, which is why I was using Pederson's work instead of signing up at his school to further his work :P  I just wanted the fun parts.
07:36 < HomeMech> hehe - well, Larry did say a good coder is lazy :-)
07:38 < HomeMech> oh crap... there is actionscript and javascript support in ANTLR now...
07:38 < HomeMech> sounds like they're even better supported then python
07:40 <@perlmonkey2> hmmm
07:41 < HomeMech> Do you really need a production quality parser and tree walker/decorator in Actionscript ?? :-P
07:41 < HomeMech> I guess so, since someone did it - but dammmmm.....
07:41 <@perlmonkey2> probably did it as their thesis.  who would use it?
07:41 < HomeMech> I don't know....
07:42 < HomeMech> maybe adobe uses it for parsing as files ?? :-P
07:42 <@perlmonkey2> actionscript always seemed like a toy language, but I never really got too deep into it.
07:42 < HomeMech> as3 isn't too bad
07:42 < HomeMech> flex got rid of the whole 'movie' crap and let you do OO code
07:42 <@perlmonkey2> I wouldn't think adobe would be too deep into actionscript, as they just bought it.
07:43 < HomeMech> right - maybe antlr is used for the official adobe as parser ?
07:43 < HomeMech> they use eclipse as their IDE now, I think..
07:43 <@perlmonkey2> hmm, doesnt' adobe have a major text processing tool?
07:43 < HomeMech> so they could use antlr to generate both a java and as version of the parser
07:44 <@perlmonkey2> yeah, because wouldn't you love the be the team manager in charge of supporting that?
07:44 < HomeMech> heh 
07:44 < HomeMech> I'd really like to be able  to use eclipse...
07:44 < HomeMech> its just too dam slow
07:44 < HomeMech> even on my dual core machines
07:44 <@perlmonkey2> eclipse?
07:45 <@perlmonkey2> I prefer netbeans
07:45 < HomeMech> I haven't used netbeans in ages ....
07:45 < HomeMech> but I'd love to have all the report generators and shit the java guys get with eclipse
07:46 < HomeMech> python generally gets shitty IDE support because its like javascript - there's no way to tell what methods an object has without asking the object...
07:46 < HomeMech> you can't tell from static analysis
07:46 <@perlmonkey2> I used eclipse for a while, but netbeans always seemed the superior product.  And now that its RMS approved, I see no reason at all for Java Eclipse
07:46 < HomeMech> Sun gpl'd something ?
07:46 < HomeMech> wow
07:46 < HomeMech> wish they'd do that with ZFS
07:47  * HomeMech can't stand gpl...
07:47 < HomeMech> if your going to do 'free' software - just use the bsd/mit license and be done with it..
07:47 < HomeMech> gpl causes more problems then it solves
07:47 <@perlmonkey2> yeah they gpl'd something.  Like Java
07:47 < HomeMech> java is gpl'd ? when'd that happen ?
07:48 <@perlmonkey2> I'm running Sun Java and Netbeans on Fedora now and I didn't even have to use the evil non-free repos.
07:48 < HomeMech> it was community license last I saw....
07:48 <@perlmonkey2> ah, this year I think is when it was all wrapped up.  I think announced last year.
07:49 <@perlmonkey2> On 13 November 2006, Sun released much of Java as free and open source software under the terms of the GNU General Public License (GPL). On 8 May 2007 Sun finished the process, making all of Java's core code free and open-source, aside from a small portion of code to which Sun did not hold the copyright.[9]
07:49 <@perlmonkey2> from wikipedia
07:49 < HomeMech> a company I contract for was contracted by sun to help them decide whether or not to gpl solaris
07:50 < HomeMech> oh shit - cool
07:50 < HomeMech> the two best things at sun lately IMHO are virtualbox and zfs
07:51 < HomeMech> java and solaris are pretty boring
07:52 <@perlmonkey2> virtualbox is better than xen, QEMU, KVM?
07:53 <@perlmonkey2> but yeah, ZFS needs to be FOSS'd
07:54 < HomeMech> virtualbox was better...
07:54 < HomeMech> it was cross platform, easy to install, supported usb ( I think)...
07:54 < HomeMech> I use Xen for our hosting stuff - but I haven't looked at qemu or kvm lately
07:55 <@perlmonkey2> unless you are hosting servers, virtualization just means Windows to me.  I think of Windows and I get a little sick to my stomach.
07:57 < HomeMech> we use Debian based servers with Xen virtualization
07:57 < HomeMech> works pretty well
07:57 < HomeMech> though I'm think we might do some amazon ec2 stuff just for comparision
07:58 <@perlmonkey2> anyways, I'm outy5000
07:58 <@perlmonkey2> hasta
07:59 < HomeMech> g'nite :-)
07:59 < HomeMech> thanks for the help
07:59 <@perlmonkey2> heh, not that I did anything, but your welcome :)
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02:23 <@perlmonkey21> uhg, how can I possibly know why modperl if failing to start when all I get is child exited with seg fault.
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02:37 < CIA-41> WebGUI: Correct POD for recordResponses.
02:37 < CIA-41> WebGUI: Begin recordResponses answer processing tests.
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03:02 < CIA-41> WebGUI:  Add a mutator for questionsAnswered, with tests.
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03:03 < patspam> perlmonkey21: i feel your pain!
03:03 < patspam> there are some things you can do
03:04 < patspam> like change modperl to single process mode
03:04 < patspam> MaxClients = 1
03:04 < patspam> also have a look at Debug::FaultAutoBT
03:05 < patspam> and Debug::DumpCore
03:06 < patspam> more info here: http://www.plainblack.com/webgui/dev/discuss/playing-with-modperl-coredumps
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03:19 <@perlmonkey21> patspam: ah, sweet, thanks
03:23 < SDuensin> Anybody know how to build DBI::mysql on Leopard without dropping back to a 32-bit MySQL?
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04:38 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8965 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Operation/LDAPLink.pm): Fix a bug where deleting a LDAPlink throws a runtime error.
05:04 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8966 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Post.pm): Remove the deleteFileUrl X icon from attachments in the CS.
05:04 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8967 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Post.pm): Forward porting removal of deleteFileUrl from Posts in the CS, re bug 9260.
05:24 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8968 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.6.7/ (2 files): Internationalize two Gallery templates.
05:24 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8969 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): i18n the calendar print list template
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05:41 < patspam> you still awake perlmonkey21?
05:42 <@perlmonkey21> here 
05:45 < patspam> i just implemented Survey Jump-to combo box  (#9202)
05:45 < patspam> using a yui autocomplete so that they can choose from the existing list or type their own
05:46 <@perlmonkey21> patspam: nice
05:46 <@perlmonkey21> very nice
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05:47 < patspam> yeah it's very unobtrusive on the user which feels right
05:47 <@perlmonkey21> patspam: in the main branch?
05:47 < patspam> nah to the survey-rfe branch
05:47 <@perlmonkey21> ah
05:47 <@perlmonkey21> too bad
05:47 < patspam> yeah i know!
05:47 < patspam> damn that feature freeze ;)
05:48 <@perlmonkey21> You could probably talk da' boss into getting it in, since no one could really be using it yet anyways.
05:49 < patspam> heh yeah true, no-one except me
05:50 < patspam> next I'm going to have a crack at branch expressions
05:51 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8970 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): i18n a time tracking template
05:51 < CIA-41> WebGUI: patspam * r8971 /branch/survey-rfe/ (4 files in 3 dirs): 
05:51 < CIA-41> WebGUI: Implemented Survey Jump-to combo box (#9202)
05:51 < CIA-41> WebGUI: You will need to manually import survey_rfe_9202 until this branch is
05:51 < CIA-41> WebGUI: merged back into trunk.
05:55 < patspam> but now it's lunchtime :)
05:58 <@perlmonkey21> lunch at 3pm?
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06:42 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8972 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): i18n one of the two stock data templates
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08:11 < CIA-41> WebGUI: patspam * r8973 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/SurveyJSON.pm: 
08:11 < CIA-41> WebGUI: SurveyJSON->update() should iterate over supplied object keys, not
08:11 < CIA-41> WebGUI: existing object keys. Also applied PBP formatting, fat commas, etc..
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11:35 < CIA-41> WebGUI: translation * r8974 /translations/German/German/Account_Friends.pm: Update from translation server
12:08 < CIA-41> WebGUI: translation * r8975 /translations/German/German/Account_Friends.pm: Update from translation server
12:08 < CIA-41> WebGUI: translation * r8976 /translations/German/German/Account_Friends.pm: Update from translation server
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14:48 < dogcow> can someone point me to the correct API to use to create users in webgui outside of the GUI
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14:54 <+BartJol> npinansky: wait a sec
14:55 <+BartJol> you don't mean from the command prompt do you?
14:55 <+BartJol> in /data/WebGUI/sbin there is an userImport.pl script
15:02 < Radix_> npinansky: I've also written a custom one to create users via a url which is good as an example too.. it's in the bazaar
15:03 < npinansky> thanks
15:04 < npinansky> i think WebGUI::Auth::createAccountSave
15:04 < npinansky> is what im looking for
15:04 < npinansky> just wanted to confirm
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15:05 < npinansky> Radix_: whats it called?
15:12 < npinansky> nm found it
15:12 < npinansky> thx bud thats exactly what i was looking for
15:21 < Radix_> np
15:22 < Radix_> enjoy :)
15:22  * Radix_ wanders off to bed.
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16:09 <+BartJol> I have kind off a problem in my 7.6.5/6 instance, in the assetManager, my assets aren't shown, the crumbtrail at the top seems to work, but the rest does not, anyone else has seen this problem?
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17:30 < Lisette> i have a workflow and when i try to run the spectre is down, anyone knows why?
17:38 <@perlmonkey2> Lisette: do you mean that the workflow is causing spectre to go down?  What do the logs say?
17:41 <@perlmonkey2> My weather station read 77F yesterday afternoon, and before midnight read 13f :D  Now that is a cold front.
17:49 <@Haarg> i doubt a workflow would cause spectre to go down, but any spectre issue will likely show in the logs some way or another
17:49 <+BartJol> perlmonkey2: can you please talk in celsius? fahrenheit scale is obsolete and should not be used and is generally considered offensive
17:49 <@Haarg> heh
17:50 <+BartJol> what heh? can't handle the thruth?
17:51 <@Haarg> i'd like to switch to using celsius, but that's not really viable in this country
17:51 <@perlmonkey2> BartJol: Celsius doens't have the resolution to truly express temperature in human terms.  Do you want a scale that you have to use fractions of to be meaningful?
17:51 <+BartJol> well, I hear all things about changes the last time I watched Obama, he can change that too
17:53 <+BartJol> perlmonkey2: what, does fahrenheit also include a factor for chilly winds or moist in the air? thaose are really human terms, so temperature is a bit desceptive anyway
17:54 <+BartJol> and I'm not that sensitive that I can make out less than a degree in temp difference
17:56 <@perlmonkey2> BartJol: if the US were to switch, why would they switch to C instead of K?
17:57 <+BartJol> because I say it's better ;)
17:57 <@perlmonkey2> We will not bow to the European Imperialist !!!!
17:57 <+BartJol> and K is also quite uncanny, that 273.15 point where it's freezing
17:58 <@perlmonkey2> Take your fancy units of measurement, based on science and really much more useful than the imperial measurements, and forget about it :P
17:58 <+BartJol> 373.15 for boiling, Celsius does just make sense
17:58 <@perlmonkey2> 0 for freezing, 100 for boiling.  That is just crazy talk.
17:58 <+BartJol> he, we measure in K when where doing science
17:59 <+BartJol> perlmonkey2: why?
17:59 <@perlmonkey2> Everyone knows it is 32 for freezing and 212 for boiling. :P
17:59 <+BartJol> <0 =cold >100 = warm
17:59 <+BartJol> sure
18:00 <+BartJol> you'd rather see it in hexadecimal system too, don't you?
18:01 <@perlmonkey2> BartJol: now you are picking on hex?  
18:02 <+BartJol> no, but it's unpractical
18:02 < SDuensin> How is hex unpractical?  (Morning all.)  It was very efficient doing ASM on the 6502!
18:03 <+BartJol> or in multples of the constant of boltzman, that would be fun, 
18:03 <+BartJol> well, a lot of people can't read it
18:03 < SDuensin> Hey, that's their problem.  :-)
18:03 <+BartJol> :)
18:04 <+BartJol> gotta go to my mummy
18:04 <@perlmonkey2> SDuensin: 6502?  What were you doing with that?
18:04 < SDuensin> Multiples of boltzman?  Sounds like the "Alex" on MacBreak Weekly.
18:04 < SDuensin> perlmonkey2 - Apple II Forever, baby!
18:04 <@perlmonkey2> hah
18:04  * SDuensin has been coding since he was just one byte old.
18:05 <@perlmonkey2> it still boggles the mind that chips magnitudes more powerful than the AII can be had for less than a buck.
18:05 < SDuensin> (That would be 8, for you non-geeks.)
18:05 <@perlmonkey2> Oh, I thought you were 255.
18:05 < SDuensin> No, what really boggles the mind is that a 16Mhz chip *for* the Apple II is still over $300!
18:05 < SDuensin> Hehehee
18:06 <+BartJol> have fun
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18:06  * SDuensin really wants a TransWarp or a Zip.
18:08 < SDuensin> perlmonkey2 - Check this insanity out:  http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=320321417777
18:09 <@perlmonkey2> SDuensin: heh, same reason old furniture costs so much.  Not because it is better, but just because it is old.
18:09 < SDuensin> But you can get the entire machine, drive, monitor, and printer for $50!
18:10 <@perlmonkey2> well then $300 does ring of crazy
18:10 < SDuensin> If it was a one time thing, sure.  But every single one goes like that!
18:13 <@perlmonkey2> If I want something slow, I'll buy a gumstix, since it is is 42 times faster, the size of a stickc of gum, and only $130.
18:14 < SDuensin> Yea, but it doesn't make nearly as cool a retro Linux console.  :-P
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18:46 < wgGuest48> hey everyone
18:46 < wgGuest48> dunno who is around that can or is interested in chatting up an install issue
18:47 < wgGuest48> i was originally just going to snag the appliance to get up and running quickly
18:47 < wgGuest48> but, since i am using esxi, i need an ovf file to import the webgui applianace
18:47 < wgGuest48> so... that doesnt fly unless someone has an ovf for the existing appliance?
18:47 < wgGuest48> then, from there, I tried installing centos 5.2 bare
18:48 < wgGuest48> that went fine, but when i try to get something going for webgui
18:48 < wgGuest48> i get this :
18:48 < wgGuest48> Had to create DBD::mysql::dr::imp_data_size unexpectedly at /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/i686-linux/DBI.pm line 1195.
18:48 < wgGuest48> and it says it cant cnonect or start mysql even though its running (and its the one from webgui)
18:48 < wgGuest48> phew
18:48 < wgGuest48> ok :)
18:52  * SDuensin doesn't even know what an OVF file is.  :-(
18:54 < wgGuest48> :)
18:54 < wgGuest48> its apparently an open format for virtual machines
18:54 < wgGuest48> not sure who made the spec but im sure vm had their hands in it
18:54 < wgGuest48> like a base config file
18:54 < SDuensin> Oh.  Cool.  Open would be a good thing.
18:54 < wgGuest48> yup!  agreed.
18:55 < wgGuest48> so i guess im out there as a loner in my situation :)
18:55 < wgGuest48> its odd
18:55 < wgGuest48> everything starts up.. the consle config port 
18:55  * SDuensin uses so many VM tools that it's not even funny.
18:55 < wgGuest48> and mysql starts up (im talking about my centos install now)
18:55 < wgGuest48> but its like webgui doesnt quite know it
18:55 < wgGuest48> theres a disconect somehwere
18:55 < wgGuest48> is 5.2 base (no updates) supported?
18:56 < wgGuest48> (and i was using a wre bin)
18:56 < SDuensin> 32 bit?
18:56 < wgGuest48> no.. 64 bit
18:56 < wgGuest48> is that it?
18:56 < SDuensin> Possibly.  I don't know much about 32 bit software on a 64 bit Linux.  I know the WRE is 32 bit at this point.
18:57 < wgGuest48> (currently, this machine has no need for 64 but.. like anyone else, it was picked just becasue)
18:57 < wgGuest48> actually.
18:57 < wgGuest48> mmm.
18:57 < wgGuest48> one sec.  i mnay have used i386 because i wanted to be careful
18:57 < wgGuest48> [root@localhost sbin]# uname -i
18:57 < wgGuest48> yea.
18:57 < wgGuest48> i386
18:58 < wgGuest48> so thats not it
18:58 < wgGuest48> mmm
18:58 < wgGuest48> odd.
18:58 < wgGuest48> like, if i got into the console, i can see that
18:58 < wgGuest48> mysql isnt runnig
18:58 < wgGuest48> but at the shell, it is 
18:58 < wgGuest48> so theres some disconnect
18:58 < wgGuest48> and its in relation to that error.
18:58 < wgGuest48> shrug.
19:00 < SDuensin> Well, the "Running" stuff gets it wrong every so often.
19:00 < wgGuest48> oh ok
19:00 < SDuensin> Mine always tells me ModPerl "FAILED!" but it lies.
19:00 < wgGuest48> mmm yeabut i cant create the site bc it says it cant connect to mysql
19:01 < SDuensin> Then maybe yours isn't lying.  Do you have a non-WRE MySQL installed?
19:02 < wgGuest48> nope
19:02 < wgGuest48> [root@localhost sbin]# rpm -qa | grep mysql
19:02 < wgGuest48> [root@localhost sbin]#
19:03 < wgGuest48> and all the paths associated with the mysql thats started in the process list has the /data as the starting point so its wres...
19:03 < SDuensin> Interesting.
19:03 < wgGuest48> yea.
19:03 < wgGuest48> shrug.
19:04 < wgGuest48> i guess i could try a different version just for the heck of it
19:04 < wgGuest48> maybe one rev back
19:04 < wgGuest48> maybe ill give that a shot next
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19:04 < SDuensin> What WRE are you on?
19:04  * SDuensin uses Ubuntu, so he doesn't know all the CentOS issues.
19:04 < wgGuest48> gotcha
19:04 < wgGuest48> ok well, thanks
19:04 < wgGuest48> ill give it a shot
19:04 < SDuensin> OK - do come back.
19:05 < wgGuest48> ill idle in here for a min or two to see if anyone comes alive with other suggestions!
19:05 < wgGuest48> thanks
19:05 < SDuensin> That's the best thing to do.  Lurk.
19:06 < SDuensin> The PlainBlack folks are very helpful when they're not swamped with work.  They'll pop in and out all day.
19:08 < wgGuest48> ok sounds great thanks
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19:11 <@Haarg> wgGuest48, it's not entirely clear what your setup is.
19:12 <@Haarg> you are using CentOS 5.2, 32bit?
19:12 < SDuensin> Hi Haarg 
19:13 <@Haarg> hello
19:18 < wgGuest48> Yea.
19:18 < wgGuest48> Sorry - I was away for a sec
19:18 < wgGuest48> hows it going.
19:19 < wgGuest48> so, yea, its centos 5.2 i386 running on a vm in vmware esxi
19:19 < wgGuest48> i tried importing the appliance in hopes of being up and runnign quick, but esxi wants to open applicances with an .ovf file - and that's it
19:20 <@Haarg> it should be pretty simple to get the wre set up
19:21 < wgGuest48> thats exactly what i thought! :)
19:21 < wgGuest48> theres some kind of a disconnect
19:21 < wgGuest48> im not sure what it is, but when webgui the service fires up, i get mysql... i get it all
19:21 < wgGuest48> but i cant get wre to know that mysql is up
19:21 <@Haarg> i don't know enough about vms to help with that part
19:21 < wgGuest48> it shows it as down in the console (via the web)
19:21 < wgGuest48> and then when trying to create a site, it says mysql isnt running
19:21 < wgGuest48> but it is the mysql from wre 110%
19:21 < wgGuest48> its just not connecting up to it for some reason
19:22 < wgGuest48> other than wre, this is a fresh install of centos 5.2 i36
19:22 < wgGuest48> s/i36/i386/g
19:23 < wgGuest48> and im assuming this error is part of the problem that shows up in the webconsole log
19:23 < wgGuest48> Had to create DBD::mysql::dr::imp_data_size unexpectedly at /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/i686-linux/DBI.pm line 1195.
19:28 <@Haarg> from what i see online, that could be related to a different system version of DBD::mysql being installed
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19:29 <@Haarg> maybe try removing the system mysql client and DBD::mysql if they exist
19:30 < wgGuest48> ok
19:30 < wgGuest48> lemme try that
19:30 < wgGuest48> [root@localhost docs]# rpm -qa | grep -i dbd
19:30 < wgGuest48> dhcdbd-2.2-1.el5
19:30 < wgGuest48> so nothing on that one
19:31 < wgGuest48> [root@localhost docs]# rpm -qa | grep mysql
19:31 < wgGuest48> [root@localhost docs]#
19:31 < wgGuest48> same :9
19:31 < wgGuest48> good idea tho
19:32 < wgGuest48> i wonder if vmware convertor will make webgui workstation vm (assumingly that was what was used) over to an esx based image
19:32 < wgGuest48> mmm
19:32 < wgGuest48> i could try that.
19:34 < wgGuest48> ok
19:35 < wgGuest48> that seems like it might fly.
19:35 < wgGuest48> you can take the ova and move that over to esxi land...
19:35 < wgGuest48> ok
19:35 < wgGuest48> cool.
19:35 < wgGuest48> ill go that direction for the time being.
19:43 <@perlmonkey2> wgGuest48: I didn't read through all your comments, but it looks like it my be environmental.
19:43 <@perlmonkey2> if you start up wreconsole without the shell knowing where mysql is, that could be the problem.
19:45 < wgGuest48> i did the setupenvironment if thats what you are reffering to
19:45 < wgGuest48> i sourced it with a . setupenviornment.sh or whatever the name of the script is (typed without look)
19:45 < wgGuest48> perl : and thanks for taking a second and looking back at all of that
19:45 <@perlmonkey2> and from the shell, you can access the mysql bins?
19:45 < wgGuest48> let me check before saying yes
19:45 <@perlmonkey2> >which mysql
19:46 < wgGuest48> [root@localhost sbin]# . ./setenvironment.sh
19:46 < wgGuest48> [root@localhost sbin]# which mysql
19:46 < wgGuest48> sorry for the delay
19:46 <@perlmonkey2> no problem
19:46 < wgGuest48> cant put multiple lines in via the java based irc client
19:46 < wgGuest48> :)
19:46 < wgGuest48> had to copy one by one
19:47 < wgGuest48> ahhh i havent irc'd in so long
19:47 < wgGuest48> bitchX and all the /load fun stuff... hooray
19:47 < SDuensin> wgGuest48 - Awesome web IRC:  www.mibbit.org
19:47 < wgGuest48> but i digress
19:47 < SDuensin> Maybe mibbit.com.  I forget.
19:47 < wgGuest48> i didnt notice what server this one was that you guys used so id have to go back and find that
19:47 <@perlmonkey2> freenode
19:47 < wgGuest48> fair enoguh
19:47 < wgGuest48> ok
19:48 < wgGuest48> well like i said
19:48 < wgGuest48> im going to convert the vm image to something that esxi likes
19:48 < wgGuest48> that should do the trick for me
19:48 < wgGuest48> but if anyone is interested i can continue pluggin away at this
19:48 < wgGuest48> but yes, i agree it seems too local 
19:48 < SDuensin> If PB is using a Java IRC client, I *highly* recommend looking into the Mibbit widget.  That service rocks.
19:48 < wgGuest48> i woudl think other people wuld have the problem
19:48 < SDuensin> I'm interested to see what you find out.
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19:49 < ecrotty> ahhh too long
19:49 < ecrotty> i remember when you could register against efnet servers for nicks
19:49 < ecrotty> too long, too long
19:49 < ecrotty> :)
19:49 <@perlmonkey2> wgGuest48: you said cent....selinux turned off, throwing errors?  
19:49 < ecrotty> no
19:49 < ecrotty> i checked that too.
19:50 < ecrotty> let me see if im in permissive
19:50 < ecrotty> probably not
19:50 < ecrotty> but there was nothing in /var/log/messages
19:50 < ecrotty> brb
19:50 < ecrotty> ok
19:50 < ecrotty> it was enforcing
19:50 <@perlmonkey2> yeah
19:50 < ecrotty> i put it to permissive and bounced it for good measure
19:50 < ecrotty> set enforce 0 
19:50 < ecrotty> seems to be a bit wonky to me?
19:51 <@perlmonkey2> ah
19:51 <@perlmonkey2> setenforce is one word
19:51 < ecrotty> typ
19:51 < ecrotty> o
19:51 <@perlmonkey2> k
19:51 < ecrotty> :)
19:51 <@perlmonkey2> there won't be a policy in place for the wre mysql
19:51 < ecrotty> makes sense!
19:51 < ecrotty> i may have missed it
19:51 <@perlmonkey2> weird that messages didn't have selinux exceptions
19:51 < ecrotty> very nice thought
19:51 < ecrotty> lets see
19:52 < ecrotty> (and ill triple check for selinux messages)
19:52 < ecrotty> root      2072     1  0 06:51 ?        00:00:00 /bin/sh /data/wre/prereqs/bin/my
19:52 < ecrotty> so i have it as a service
19:52 < ecrotty> you can see mysql started ok
19:52 < ecrotty> lets see what i get
19:53 < ecrotty> Site could not be created because MySQL appears to be down. at ./wreconsole.pl line 234 
19:53 < ecrotty> same
19:53 < ecrotty> thats from the webconsole
19:53 < ecrotty> services tab lists mysql and apache modperl as down
19:54 < ecrotty> (in webconsole)
19:54 <@perlmonkey2> but you can connect to mysql from the CLI?
19:54 < ecrotty> yea
19:55 < ecrotty> [root@localhost sbin]# . ./setenvironment.sh
19:55 < ecrotty> (one line at a time :D)
19:55 < ecrotty> [root@localhost sbin]# which mysql
19:55 < ecrotty> [root@localhost sbin]# mysql
19:55 < ecrotty> Welcome to the MySQL monitor.  Commands end with ; or \g.
19:55 < ecrotty> ...
19:55 < ecrotty> mysql> quit
19:55 < ecrotty> Bye
19:55 < ecrotty> so, yea thats good to go
19:55 < ecrotty> and its a fresh install too
19:55 < ecrotty> odd
19:56 <@perlmonkey2> this is in a VM?  is the wreconsole trying to connect to the correct address?
19:56 < ecrotty> yea its in a vm...
19:56 < ecrotty> this was a quick setup so its using a default linux domain of localhost.localdomain
19:56 < ecrotty> whi
19:56 < ecrotty> ch
19:57 < ecrotty> is resolved as 127.0.0.1
19:57 < ecrotty> maybe ill throw the primary in there....
19:57 < ecrotty> if i come across the primary internal - 192.168.9.187
19:57 < ecrotty> and it only knows of itself as using loopback...
19:57 < ecrotty> but i dont see where the problem is
19:58 < ecrotty> with that?
19:58 < ecrotty> let me see what it is binding to
19:58 < ecrotty> im sure mysql is on both loopback and the real ip
19:58 < ecrotty> tcp        0      0 *:mysql                     *:*                         LIST
19:58 < ecrotty> os thats cool
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21:42 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, do you have a little time to talk about the LDAP/Edit User bug?
21:42 <@Haarg> possibly
21:42 <@Haarg> link?
21:43 <+perlDreamer> http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/9284
21:44 <+perlDreamer> I don't have any problems deleting the default LDAP link and then editing users
21:44 <@Haarg> oh, that bug
21:44 <+perlDreamer> do the users have to use LDAP auth for the bug to occur?
21:44 <@Haarg> no
21:45 <+perlDreamer> well, in that case I'd have to say that 7.5.36 is better than 7.5.2x
21:45 <+perlDreamer> since it worked okay on my dev box
21:47 <@Haarg> let me check a couple things
21:48 <+perlDreamer> okay
21:49 <@Haarg> i'm not really sure.  maybe it has been fixed already.  i can't reproduce the problem either.
21:50 <+perlDreamer> the other parts of the bug, like changing the default setting when the LDAPLink is deleted, I can fix.
21:51 <+perlDreamer> but the part about how user's using LDAP is handled, I'd need an LDAP server
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22:08 < daviddelikat> I'm missing a perl module Class::C3 used fomr AssetAspect::Installable
22:09 < Bernd_> It's available from CPAN.
22:09 < Bernd_> Maybe you need to upgrade your WRE?
22:10 < daviddelikat> the odd thing is that I've been running for a week without it
22:11 < daviddelikat> when did the new WRE get released?
22:11 < Bernd_> Maybe you have not used any Assets that require Aspects?
22:11 < Bernd_> Class::C3 is only used in aspects, afaik.
22:11 <+perlDreamer> that's true
22:11 <+perlDreamer> it's not in the new WRE yet, and needs to be installed by hand
22:12 < daviddelikat> does WRE come from the same cvn archive as WebGUI?
22:12 <+perlDreamer> yes, a different branch though
22:13 < daviddelikat> so should I just CPAN the module?
22:13 < Bernd_> cvn? Is that the mixture of svn and cvs?
22:13 <+perlDreamer> daviddelikat: yup
22:13 < daviddelikat> Bernd_: i imagine so, I just invented it.
22:14 < Bernd_> Ok, so let's use cvn from now :-)
22:14 < daviddelikat> Bernd_: coding starts next week... :)
22:15 < Bernd_> Good luck on your project!
22:16 < Bernd_> Damn it! My radio connection is letting me down again.
22:16 < Bernd_> Why is UMTS never there when you need it?
22:23 < Bernd_> English native speakers, is there a good synonym for commit?
22:23 < Bernd_> I just cannot come up with an adequate translation.
22:23 < SDuensin> Apply?
22:24 < Bernd_> Hm, wouldn't make a good translation either.
22:24 < Bernd_> I need to translate the phrase "Your files have been submitted for approval and commit."
22:25 < Bernd_> Any other suggestion?
22:25 < Bernd_> German is so poor sometimes when it comes to computer language :-(
22:25 < SDuensin> Thinking about it.
22:25 < Bernd_> Thanks!
22:26 < Bernd_> SDuensin, would you say it is equivalent to "to hand sth. over"?
22:27 < SDuensin> Kinda, yea.
22:27 < Bernd_> That would work then.
22:27 < Bernd_> Thank you, again!
22:27 < SDuensin> I don't know any German, so I'm not sure how that would be interpreted by a native speaker.
22:28  * SDuensin is one of those "One Language" American slobs.
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22:47 <+perlDreamer> Haarg, it's add user, not edit user
22:48 <@Haarg> ah
22:48 <@Haarg> i was seeing problems with edit user as well
22:49 <@Haarg> and it seemed like it could be related to the setting and not the users
22:49 <+perlDreamer> well, this is where I'm at
22:49 <+perlDreamer> I added code to clear the setting if it's deleted from the LDAPLink screen
22:49 <+perlDreamer> after that, I'm seeing Edit User problems
22:50 <+perlDreamer> before that, no problems with editing users
22:50 <+perlDreamer> didn't try add
22:51 <+perlDreamer> maybe it should be an error to delete the default LDAP link
22:52 <+perlDreamer> because this is starting to snowball
22:52 <+perlDreamer> the Auth/LDAP code always assumes that you can get an LDAP connection
22:52 <+perlDreamer> there's no validation
22:53 <+perlDreamer> What do you think about that, Haarg?
22:54 <@Haarg> i'd rather allow deleting the ldap link
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22:56 <+perlDreamer> okay, then snow riding we go!
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23:03 <+perlDreamer> there's an inch of snow in Portland
23:03 <+perlDreamer> and half the city is shutdown
23:06 <@perlmonkey2> I thought Portland was used to snow?  
23:06 <+perlDreamer> no
23:06 <+perlDreamer> rain, yes
23:06 <+perlDreamer> but with snow and ice, people here just wig out
23:06 <@perlmonkey2> an inch of snow in OK would be declared a state wide emergency :P
23:06 <+perlDreamer> of course, it rarely stays as snow
23:06 <+perlDreamer> because the temp hovers around freezing
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23:06 <+perlDreamer> so we get lots and lots of ice
23:07 <@perlmonkey2> Yeah, it isn't the snow that is bad, its the ice.
23:13 <+perlDreamer> I thought Oklahoma would get lots of snow, since it's in the midwest
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23:43 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: we usually get about 8 inches of snow a year.  Which when divided amongst the 6 months snow will fall here, doesn't amount to much at all.
23:44 <+perlDreamer> makes sense
23:44 <+perlDreamer> we get snow maybe once per year
23:45 <@perlmonkey2> without mountains to go along with it, snow is overrated.  
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00:36 <+perlDreamer> lots of testing against recordResponses, perlmonkey2.  Looking very solid
00:36 <@perlmonkey2> nice
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00:44 <+perlDreamer> okay, Haarg, do you want to see a patch pre- or post-commit?
00:46 <@Haarg> i can look at it afterward
00:48 <+perlDreamer> cool.  The only thing I'm a little worried about is that if there's enough user feedback and logging taking place when there's no valid LDAPlink.  So please let me know.
00:51 < Lisette> a workflow can down the spectre?
00:53 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8984 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (6 files in 5 dirs): Gracefully handle the case where the user deletes the authentication LDAP link.
00:53 <@Haarg> not usually lisette
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01:45 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8987 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/SQLReport.pm: Forward port WGBP SQLReport definition sub.
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02:11 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8988 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 
02:11 < CIA-41> WebGUI: Add label entries to the SQL Report definitions so that they show up
02:11 < CIA-41> WebGUI: when creating a Shortcut in the overrides tab.
02:11 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8989 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 
02:11 < CIA-41> WebGUI: Forward porting definition changes to the SQL Report. definition property
02:11 < CIA-41> WebGUI: fields must have label keys to show up in the Shortcut overrides tab.
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03:30 <+perlDreamer> dionak, for your password recovery bug, do you know the type of password recovery that is used?  Is it profile based, or email based?
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03:32 < CIA-41> WebGUI: Fix version related problem where if you try to add a child below a parent
03:32 < CIA-41> WebGUI: that is being edited, it returns session->privilege->locked. Changed
03:32 < CIA-41> WebGUI: editSave to consider whether or not the asset is new.
03:32 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8993 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm): Forward port www_add/editSave fix for parents who are being edited.
03:37 < dionak> it was username and email address
03:37 <+perlDreamer> cool, that's the 2nd one
03:37 <+perlDreamer> and you enter in the username and it tells you that it sent an email, but it really didn't
03:37 < dionak> there was no email address in my profile but i was told an email was sent
03:37 < dionak> yes
03:37 <+perlDreamer> sweet.  I'll have it fixed in about 10 minutes
03:38 < dionak> right on! thanks. 
03:45 <+perlDreamer> fixed
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03:54 < CIA-41> WebGUI: Provide feedback to the user when they try to recover their password via email address/username
03:54 < CIA-41> WebGUI: and they have no email address in their profile.
03:54 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r8995 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Forward port fix for no email address during username/email address password recovery.
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14:28 < CIA-41> WebGUI: yung * r8999 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm): fixed #9296: Thingy View template not recognising field_isVisible
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15:41 <+BartJol> anyone here running on late beta?
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16:34 < SDuensin> Morning.
16:35 <+BartJol> morning
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16:36 < SDuensin> Hey BartJol 
16:38 <+BartJol> how's life?
16:38 < SDuensin> Running behind.  :-(
16:38 < SDuensin> You?
16:38 <+BartJol> slow, very slow
16:39 < SDuensin> Trade you.  :-D
16:41 <+BartJol> the only usefull thing I did was fix a sql query
16:41 <+BartJol> the rest is staring at my broken assetmanager and a couple of workflows that got stuck somehow
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16:44 <+BartJol> SDuensin: do you have a 7.6.5 instance or higher?
16:45 < SDuensin> Yep.  Against my better judgement, I run 7.6.6 on everything.  One of my customers needed it.
16:45 <+BartJol> ah, did you have any problems with your assetmanager?
16:45 < SDuensin> Not yet.
16:45 <+BartJol> in mine, the assets aren't shown
16:45 <+BartJol> which is a bit of defying the purpose
16:46 < SDuensin> Oh yea.  That's bad.
16:46 < SDuensin> Any idea why?
16:46 <+BartJol> first I thought it was something with templating
16:46 <+BartJol> but most element are shown
16:47 <+BartJol> so the loop that runs through my assets must somehow be stuck, but that's yui
16:47 < SDuensin> It is?
16:47 <+BartJol> I thought so
16:47 < SDuensin> Doesn't sound right.  YUI is the pretty face and pointy-clicky stuff.
16:48 <+BartJol> but my testEnvironment seems to give an OK
16:48 <+BartJol> ah, so maybe only the surface part...
16:48 < SDuensin> Yea.  I mean, you can write "brains" in YUI, but it itself is just UI tools.
16:48 <+BartJol> crunbtrail does work as does the package manager
16:49 <+BartJol> so I'm afraid to upgrade another site
16:49 < SDuensin> Guess I got lucky.
16:49 <+BartJol> probably that fear is not justified
16:50 < SDuensin> However, I *did* have to do my upgrade three times before I got it right.  :-)
16:50 <+BartJol> from what version to what version?
16:50 <+BartJol> to is already clear
16:50 <+BartJol> sorry
16:50 <+BartJol> but without wre prolly?
16:50 < SDuensin> 7.5.35 -> 7.5.24 -> 7.6.0 -> 7.6.2 -> 7.6.6
16:51 < SDuensin> All on WRE 0.8.5.
16:51 <+BartJol> I'm on 7.6.3 now for that site
16:52 < SDuensin> I kept screwing up the downgrade part.  Turns out if you delete *everything* from the webguiVersion table, it gets really upset.  :-)  Oops!
16:52 <+BartJol> mmm
16:53 <+BartJol> well, that's ok
16:53 <+BartJol> I have an initial install 7.5.8
16:54 < SDuensin> I basically told it to delete everything newer than 7.5.24 so the upgrade would run.  Well, one of my sites was created *after* I installed that version.  All of it's version data got wiped out and really confused the upgrade.  Completely my fault, but took a bit to find.
16:54 < SDuensin> I think on this server, I started on 7.3.
16:54 <+BartJol> doesn't sound good, luckily we have backups
16:55 < SDuensin> Oh yea!  I lost 5 hours last night waiting on backups.  Fun times.
17:03 <+BartJol> well under the words: "de dood of de gladiolen" I performed the upgrade and no problems with the asset manager
17:03  * SDuensin cheers!
17:04 <+BartJol> so I just ****ed up my test instance somewhere
17:04 < SDuensin> Well, at least you have a chance to figure it out then.  That's better than it just being broken.
17:05 <+BartJol> mmm haystack
17:05 <+BartJol> needle
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17:59 < AMH_bob> Hallo Diëgo,
18:00 < AMH_bob> Ik heb vanmiddag een succesvolle export gedaan van verschillende folders op mijn eigen hosting acocunt.
18:01 < AMH_bob> Ik moet dit nu combineren met de filescan die ik gemaakt heb voordat ik de appscan gemaakt had.
18:02 < AMH_bob> Dit samen moet een generiek pakket opleveren waar klanten mee kunnen verhuizen.
18:05 <+BartJol> tuurlijk
18:05 <+BartJol> AMH_bob: volgens mij ging dit niet goed
18:06 < AMH_bob> HHH, thaks dude, I got the wrong screen there...
18:07 < AMH_bob> BTW: Hi everybody!
18:10 < SDuensin> Hey AMH_bob 
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18:38 < CIA-41> WebGUI: yung * r9003 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Help/Asset_Matrix.pm i18n/English/Asset_Matrix.pm): updating matrix help and international
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20:29 <@tavisto> topsub
20:29 < topsub> hi
20:30 <@tavisto> yo brotha
20:30 < topsub> sup
20:30 <@tavisto> hey when you see Diona and William, let them know that I just saw the first rev of the Midwest Heart success story and it's nice.
20:30 <@tavisto> In addition, it mentions Knowmad. We'll link to your company site as well in the success story when it goes live on the PB/success site
20:31 < topsub> will do! awesome i am sure they will like that
20:31 <@tavisto> just thought you guys would like to hear that. Yep
20:31 <@tavisto> how is everything else going with ya
20:31 < topsub> great! busy busy
20:31 <@tavisto> cool, alright well I'll let ya get back to it. ttyl
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20:40 <+perlDreamer> Yet another CMS: http://use.perl.org/~jozef/journal/38100
20:50 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r9004 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/Help/PayDriver_ITransact.pm: Fix broken template variable help.
20:50 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r9005 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Help/PayDriver_ITransact.pm: forward porting ITransact template variable help fix
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20:59 < ecrotty> hey everyone
20:59 < ecrotty> anyone alive that could help me potentially fix a template issue?
20:59 < ecrotty> i think its going to be very easy
20:59 <+perlDreamer> what is the problem?
21:00 < ecrotty> but i dont know enough about the code base yet
21:00 < ecrotty> excellent :)
21:00 < ecrotty> im using the underground template
21:00 < ecrotty> (btw - im the same guy from the other day that took the vm image and put it on esxi
21:00 < ecrotty> it works
21:00 <+perlDreamer> ecrotty, can you do three things for me?
21:00 < ecrotty> yessir.
21:00 <+perlDreamer> 1) point me to the website with the problem
21:00 <+perlDreamer> 2) elaborate the problem
21:00 < ecrotty> 1 - cant - its internal
21:01 < ecrotty> 2 - sure.  i am using the underground template
21:01 <+perlDreamer> 3) paste the current template that you're using into webgui.pastebin.com so we can look at it
21:01 < ecrotty> 3 - let me do that now
21:02 < ecrotty> i pasted it as ecrotty
21:02 < ecrotty> let me continue on 2
21:02 <+perlDreamer> what's the URL?
21:02 < ecrotty> so basically, when i go to the web page and log in as admin.. what i see rather than enable admin, is malformed output
21:02 < ecrotty> sure
21:02 < ecrotty> http://webgui.pastebin.com/d570c7ce9
21:02 < ecrotty> (sorry about that)
21:03 < ecrotty> http://webgui.pastebin.com/d6033cbc0
21:03 < ecrotty> thats the relevant output
21:03 < ecrotty> so it looks like the template itself is not printing out the admin enable text properly (its just getting malformed due to maybe an extra > or XYZ in the template code base I think?)
21:04 < ecrotty> (and I should be more specific.  its not generating a proper href and instead just printing out partial text of the code that should (assumingly) be a link)
21:04 < ecrotty> does that make sense?
21:04 < ecrotty> i can also get you the html snippet that is produced on that page rather than just what is displayed by the browser
21:06 <+perlDreamer> let me check the template first.  I've never used underground before.
21:06 < ecrotty> sure thign
21:06 < ecrotty> thats probably the eaisest :)
21:07 < ecrotty> luckily i had a bookmark to the admin section
21:07 < ecrotty> that was my only way back in
21:07 < ecrotty> (new)
21:07 < ecrotty> ((user))
21:07 <+perlDreamer> that template looks okay
21:07 < ecrotty> ok
21:07 < ecrotty> did i explain what happens well enough?
21:08 < ecrotty> its just creating a malformed href somehow
21:09 <+perlDreamer> have you tried installing the style package into a demo site?
21:10 < ecrotty> no
21:10 < ecrotty> not sure im getting what you are asking
21:10 < ecrotty> you mean something other than what im considering the production site?
21:10 <+perlDreamer> we often use demo sites to do a couple of things
21:10 < ecrotty> even if i could, i cant put it out to the world to be seen if that is where you are going
21:11 < ecrotty> this machine doesnt have outside connectivity unfortunately
21:11 < ecrotty> sorry
21:11 <+perlDreamer> It's okay
21:11 <+perlDreamer> I'd just like to have you try out the package on a "known good" install of WebGUI
21:11 <+perlDreamer> and a demo site will do that
21:11 < ecrotty> ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
21:11 < ecrotty> i see what youre saying
21:11 <+perlDreamer> also, it will let me look at one live :)
21:12 < ecrotty> well can i upload package to that demo site?
21:12 < ecrotty> i dont think so, right?
21:12 <+perlDreamer> sure!
21:12 < ecrotty> oh.
21:12 < ecrotty> ok.
21:12 < ecrotty> yea.. i can do the heavy lifitng then
21:12 < ecrotty> gimme a few mins?
21:12 <+perlDreamer> sure
21:12 < ecrotty> ok
21:12 < ecrotty> :)
21:12 < ecrotty> thanks brb
21:12 <+perlDreamer> I need to start a windows VM install, but I'll be checking in every few minutes
21:13 < ecrotty> ok
21:13 < ecrotty> ill be done in a few
21:13 < ecrotty> thanks
21:16 < ecrotty> http://demo.plainblack.com/demo1229454364_799/home
21:16 < ecrotty> all set
21:16 < ecrotty> youll see what i mean
21:16 < ecrotty> ecrotty / password
21:16 < ecrotty> ill brb too
21:19 < ecrotty> ok back
21:20 <+perlDreamer> please visit the site again, and log in
21:20 <+perlDreamer> I've turned on the debug mode so you can see what's up
21:20 <+perlDreamer> Debug mode is in the settings, under miscellanceous
21:20 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r9006 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.6.7/ (2 files): fix i18n problems in two templates.
21:20 <+perlDreamer> it shows you a ton of output, like database queries, errors, warnings, form parameters and so on
21:20 <+perlDreamer> the template that is being passed to the macro can't be found
21:21 < ecrotty> ok cool
21:21 < ecrotty> i see that
21:21 < ecrotty> Can't call method "process" on an undefined value at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Macro/AdminToggle.pm line 64. 
21:21 < ecrotty> unfortunately, it means nothing to me :)
21:21 <+perlDreamer> well, the line below that should
21:21 < ecrotty> i just started using webgui and was just on the hunt for a nice look :)
21:21 <+perlDreamer> The URL style-underground/templates/admintoggle-underground-admin-toggle was requested, but does not exist in your asset tree.
21:22 <+perlDreamer> the AdminToggle macro takes a template URL as its 3rd parameter
21:22 <+perlDreamer> so, if you can find the right URL, you can update the macro call and be in business
21:22 < ecrotty> yea
21:22 < ecrotty> shrug :)
21:23 <+perlDreamer> or, as a shortcut, just remove the URL and you can just use the default template
21:23 < ecrotty> dunno if ill be able to find it.. im just looking at someone else's template
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21:23 < ecrotty> i was literally just looking for a nice look and feel
21:23 <+perlDreamer> I would use the Asset Manager to find that template
21:23 < ecrotty> if i can make it happen, i will but ill probably have to punt
21:23 < ecrotty> oh
21:23 < ecrotty> ok
21:23 <+perlDreamer> search for admintoggle
21:23 < ecrotty> sounds like its easier than im making it?
21:23  * ecrotty listens
21:23 <+perlDreamer> WebGUI has a steep learning curve, but once you learn it, it is very powerful
21:23  * SDuensin concurs!
21:23 < SDuensin> Hi gang.
21:23 < ecrotty> ok
21:24 <+perlDreamer> so, to use the Asset Manager, Turn on Admin
21:24 <+perlDreamer> Go to Asset Manager
21:24 < ecrotty> uh huh
21:24 <+perlDreamer> Select Search from the top right
21:24 <+perlDreamer> and then enter in the search terms
21:24 < ecrotty> (teach a man to fish)..
21:24 <+perlDreamer> you may have to try a few until you find it
21:24 <+perlDreamer> if the style designer was good, all customized templates will be in 1 folder
21:24 <+perlDreamer> you can also limit the search using the dropdown on the right
21:24 <+perlDreamer> choose WebGUI::Asset::Template to limit the search to templates
21:25 < ecrotty> ok
21:25 < ecrotty> ok found it.
21:26 < ecrotty> oh.
21:26 < ecrotty> i get it.
21:26 < ecrotty> make sure the url defined for that matches the one that is being called
21:26 < ecrotty> ok
21:26 < ecrotty> ding
21:26 < ecrotty> one sec
21:27 <@perlmonkey2> this ring a bell for anyone when trying to start modperl?  http://pastebin.com/d366651a8
21:28 < ecrotty> very nice.
21:28 < ecrotty> and thanks for teaching me how to fish
21:28 < SDuensin> Not I, perlmonkey2 - sorry.
21:29 < ecrotty> the only thing i didn catch was how to turn on debug mode
21:29 <+perlDreamer> ecrotty: Is it working now?
21:29  * perlDreamer is installing Vista.  I feel so dirty
21:30 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: Trying to actually use it will make you feel even worse.
21:30 < ecrotty> perl : sure is.
21:30 < ecrotty> perl : i cheated and did it on the internal site
21:30 <+perlDreamer> thanks for that encouragement, perlmonkey2
21:30 <+perlDreamer> ecrotty: Whatever works :)
21:30 <+perlDreamer> You can also find those messages in your webgui.log file
21:30 < ecrotty> perld : and where was the debug mode
21:30 < ecrotty> perld : ah.
21:30 <+perlDreamer> In the settings
21:30 < ecrotty> ok
21:31 <+perlDreamer> which, unfortunately, you have to be in admin mode to make work...
21:31 <+perlDreamer> you're using the wre?
21:31 < Bernd_> Hey, what is the debug mode?
21:31 < Bernd_> Never heard of that before.
21:31 <+perlDreamer> Bernd_: Debug mode is awesome.
21:31 < Bernd_> What is it?
21:31 < Bernd_> Where do I find it?
21:31 <+perlDreamer> It's in the settings
21:32 < Bernd_> And what does it do?
21:32 < ecrotty> perld : yea ill find it
21:32 < ecrotty> perld : ok off to play again, thanks for the help
21:32 <+perlDreamer> it gives you errors, warnings, form parameters, sql queries
21:32 <+perlDreamer> tons of data
21:32 <+perlDreamer> good luck, ecrotty!
21:32 < Bernd_> Cool!
21:32 < Bernd_> Going to try it soon.
21:32 <+perlDreamer> sometimes easier/faster than the log file
21:32 < Bernd_> Learning every day!
21:32 < Bernd_> Thanks for the hint!
21:33 <+perlDreamer> were you able to get the i18n server up and running?
21:33 < Bernd_> What would the world be without those nice people on the webgui chat :-)
21:33 < Bernd_> Have not tried yet.
21:33 < Bernd_> I was rather polishing some translation module yesterday.
21:33 < Bernd_> Such things take forever.
21:33 < Bernd_> Many of the modules are at 100%.
21:33 <+perlDreamer> excellent!
21:33 < Bernd_> But the language is poor.
21:33 <+perlDreamer> Even so, it may encourage others to help out, or to use WebGUI
21:34 < Bernd_> One thing that makes it even more complicated is
21:34 < Bernd_> that the English original sometimes is not consistent either.
21:34 < Bernd_> Are there best practices for documenting template variables?
21:35 <+perlDreamer> Most of the times, we're happy when devs remember to do it
21:35 <+perlDreamer> I did all of it for a while
21:35 <+perlDreamer> but if you find things that are wrong, please feel free to post them as bugs
21:35 <+perlDreamer> and I'll fix them
21:35 < Bernd_> Not really wrong.
21:35 < Bernd_> It is just the way things are documented differs.
21:36 < Bernd_> For instance, sometimes it says "Who can edit?"
21:36 < Bernd_> and sometimes "The group who can edit."
21:36 < Bernd_> Sometimes there is a dot in the end.
21:36 < Bernd_> Sometimes not.
21:36 < Bernd_> And such minor things.
21:36 <+perlDreamer> Missing punctuation is a bug.
21:36 <+perlDreamer> and the others, well, they're at least RFEs
21:37 < Bernd_> Uh, many bugs then in the language modules :-)
21:37 < Bernd_> But I am exaggerating.
21:37 < Bernd_> I am just neurotic.
21:37 <+perlDreamer> Many of those are my fault.  My wife, when she edits my writing, always gets me for that one.
21:38 < Bernd_> The punctuation?
21:38 <+perlDreamer> yup
21:38 < Bernd_> Maybe we should have the translation server add dots automatically :-)
21:39 < Bernd_> Better one too many than one too few!
21:39 <+perlDreamer> maybe we should train the document writers to use proper english :)
21:39 < SDuensin> Proper English or proper American?  :-P
21:39 < Bernd_> That sounds like striving for the impossible!
21:39 <+perlDreamer> Wot, wot, ruddy blighter.
21:39 <+perlDreamer> Who let that chap in here?
21:39 < Bernd_> I believe he sneaked in through the back door.
21:39  * SDuensin is American, but he knows how to speak.  Mostly.
21:39 < Bernd_> Someone must have let it open.
21:40 < Bernd_> Prove it!
21:40 < SDuensin> I have all my required "dots".  <-- See?
21:40 < Bernd_> But it did take you quite a while!
21:40 < SDuensin> preaction hiding today?
21:40 < Bernd_> Because he is not commenting?
21:41 < SDuensin> Because I need to pester him.  (And starting a sentence with "because" is a bad idea.)
21:41 < Bernd_> I know.
21:41 < Bernd_> But wait, haven't you done it yourself?
21:42 <+perlDreamer> SDuensin, I can pinch hit a few preaction class questions, unless they're business related.
21:42 < Bernd_> And "Since he is not commenting" somehow sounds strange.
21:42 < SDuensin> perlDreamer - Take a peek:  http://webgui.pastebin.com/mf6f2ee7
21:43 < Bernd_> That is a lot of error messages.
21:43 < SDuensin> And, FYI, I don't know what line 11 is on about.  I have Spreadsheet::Read installed.
21:43 < Bernd_> Big trouble!
21:43 <+perlDreamer> ap_get_server means that someone is using bad API in a perl C module
21:43 <+perlDreamer> but the other stuff is hard syntax errors that need to be fixed
21:43 <+perlDreamer> find that module
21:44 <+perlDreamer> and to perl -I /data/WebGUI/lib -wc moduleName.pm
21:44 <+perlDreamer> basically, looks like someone forgot to declare variable in a few places
21:44 <+perlDreamer> very easy to fix
21:45 < SDuensin> For now, I've just renamed them to disable them.  But I think my upgrade went south.
21:45 <+perlDreamer> as to Spreadsheet::Read, make sure you installed it in the correct place
21:45 < SDuensin> preaction told me to upgrade that site (my copy of it) to 7.6.6.  So I did.  Database looks fine, but the config file didn't get updated and it doesn't behave correctly.
21:45 < SDuensin> I installed it in the WRE after setting the environment.
21:46 <+perlDreamer> it's worth double checking, also for file permissions
21:46 < SDuensin> I'll do that, but it should all be owned by me.
21:47 < SDuensin> It's hard to test code when I don't trust the system it's running on.
21:52 < CIA-41> WebGUI: jt * r9007 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Post.pm: undocumented spam prevention mechanism, real one to replace it in a future release
21:52 < CIA-41> WebGUI: jt * r9008 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Post.pm: undocumented spam prevention measure until i can build the real one
21:57 <@perlmonkey2> No one has a clue why modperl would be segfaulting?
21:57 <@perlmonkey2> just upon start up?
22:11 < Bernd_> Anyone time for a small chat?
22:11 < Bernd_> I still have some beer left before I can go to bed.
22:11 < SDuensin> BEEEEEEER!
22:12 < Bernd_> Hey, it is just enough for myself!!!
22:12 < Bernd_> Wait until you are on leisure-time, too.
22:12 < Bernd_> I have had my share of working already :-)
22:12 < SDuensin> Not sure I get any of that anymore.
22:12 < Bernd_> Leisure-time or beer?
22:12 < SDuensin> Leisure time.
22:13 < Bernd_> Ah, I assume you are a self-employed webgui developer / consultant then?
22:13 < SDuensin> That'd be me!
22:13 < Bernd_> Cool! That is a good but hard choice.
22:14 < Bernd_> Is perlDreamer still a member of that club, too?
22:14 < Bernd_> Hm, seems like he is taking a break.
22:16 < SDuensin> Yea.  My turn to do that now.
22:16 < SDuensin> Back in a bit.
22:16 < Bernd_> Ok, enjoy! I am going to bed now.
22:16 < Bernd_> Good night everyone!
22:16 < SDuensin> Night!
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22:34 <@rizen> perldreamer: remember that list you asked for about 7.7
22:35 <@rizen> it has just been adjusted yet again. another must have for 7.7 is spam filtering rules on user postable content (forums, blogs, wikis, calendars, etc)
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22:36 < SDuensin> Isn't that the point of the captcha?
22:39 <@rizen> captcha is only one thing
22:39 <@rizen> and captcha can be defeated
22:39 <@rizen> and is being defeated on some of the more popular webgui sites that get lots of traffic
22:40 <@rizen> someone has hired low cost overseas workers to post through the captcha
22:40 < SDuensin> Yea, I know they're not perfect.  The captcha is probably the *one* thing I don't like about WebGUI.  Most humans can't even read what it produces.
22:41 <@rizen> you're welcome to write a better captcha for webgui if you like
22:42 <@rizen> the one i wrote is several years old now, but i wrote it according the the current wisdom of the day
22:42 < SDuensin> After I catch up on my REAL work, perhaps.  One of my employers isn't too happy with me right now.  :-P
22:42 <@rizen> he
22:42 <@rizen> hehe
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23:01  * perlDreamer is lazy rizen.  Why aren't we using replacement rules for that kind of thing?
23:01 <+perlDreamer> Or are they too specific?
23:01 <@rizen> we will be
23:01 <@rizen> that's only one part
23:01 <@rizen> replacements are good for filtering content you want to keep on the site
23:01 <@rizen> spam filtering is good for stuff you want to get rid of entirely
23:01 <+perlDreamer> gotcha
23:04 <+perlDreamer> I know you hate back seat driving, but having a 1-click "nuke this user" button would be handy.
23:04 <+perlDreamer> it would be in the List of Users
23:08 < ecrotty> why not use recaptcha
23:08 < ecrotty> thats what vb does these days
23:08 < ecrotty> (hi again ive been busy tooling around int webgui_
23:08 < ecrotty> they just pass it off to those guys and let them handle the grunt
23:08 < ecrotty> and recaptcha is pretty much the best choice out there too 
23:08 < ecrotty> they use words that OCR programs arent able to read
23:08 < ecrotty> thats basically their trick
23:08 < ecrotty> and its fre
23:09 < ecrotty> people would jsut need a license like the weather module
23:09 < ecrotty> (sorry if we're not on the subject anymore)
23:12 <+perlDreamer> ecrotty, if they're hiring humans, then *captcha won't work
23:12 <+perlDreamer> what we need is a morality detector
23:12 <+perlDreamer> "Sorry, you are a bad man.  You can't use WebGUI"
23:12 <+perlDreamer> Go spam someone else
23:14 <+perlDreamer> you were right, perlmonkey2.  Using it _is_ worse then installing it.
23:14 < SDuensin> Maybe an Amazon Mechanical Turk plug-in.  :-)
23:15 < SDuensin> ecrotty - "VB"?
23:16 <+perlDreamer> Visual Basic?
23:16 < SDuensin> Visual Basic already scares people off.  It doesn't need a captcha.
23:17 <+perlDreamer> Can anyone help me with a VirtualBox network setup?
23:17 <+perlDreamer> It only needs to reach the host, no farther
23:18 < SDuensin> Sorry.  I use Fusion.  :-/
23:19 <@Haarg> i haven't done anything special to get virtualbox working here, it just worked
23:20 <+perlDreamer> it autodetected my network card
23:20 <+perlDreamer> oh, wait a sec
23:20 <+perlDreamer> my web server is only set up to response to localhost
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23:28 < daviddelikat> whats a good place for a free skype account
23:30 <+perlDreamer> aren't all skype accounts free?
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23:32 < SDuensin> Yea.  Computer-to-computer calls are free.
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01:15 <@perlmonkey2> I have a feeling that running the full test suite on a large website is not really feasible.  Anyone have experience doing that?  Can it be done in a reasonable time?
01:18 <@rizen> it will take a long time
01:18 <@rizen> >1 hour for sure
01:18 <@rizen> also, you made a backup of the db, right?
01:18 <@rizen> the test suite is destructive
01:21 <@perlmonkey2> I'll need to roll back and create that backup
01:22 <@perlmonkey2> I'll do that after the test runs
01:30 <@Haarg> if any tests leave behind changes to the site that is a bug in the test, but especially due to tests crashing and such it's not something you want to depend on
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05:32 <@perlmonkey2> Anyone know when the next RFE day is scheduled?
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05:37 <@preaction> perlmonkey2: probaby not until 7.7 cycle
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05:37 <@perlmonkey2> preaction: okay, cool, that's what I figured.
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05:54 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r9019 /WebGUI/t/Account.t: fix Account test to use whatever method is set by default
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06:41 <+perlDreamer> rizen: ping
06:41 <@rizen> pong
06:41 <+perlDreamer> $asset->getParent returns undef when the parent is checked out
06:42 <+perlDreamer> so is it ever safe to use method chaining after it (getParent) ?
06:42 <@preaction> why should it ever return false?
06:43 <+perlDreamer> it does right now, I believe in all cases
06:44 <+perlDreamer> and here's the case from the bug
06:44 <+perlDreamer> Create an asset and tell it to use a custom template
06:44 <+perlDreamer> Inside a version tag, create a folder and move the custom template into it.
06:46 <@preaction> yeah, i think that was the case for auto-commit stuff getting submitted under an asset that hasn't been committed yet
06:46 <@preaction> i think graham fixed that in the 7.6 series
06:46 <@rizen> without looking deeply into the code i honestly couldn't reliably comment on this
06:47 <+perlDreamer> I'll back out the fix in 7.6 and see if it still has a problem. Maybe it's only 7.5
06:47 <@rizen> if you aren't able to resolve this yourself, assign it to me, and i'll look into it and fix the problem
06:48 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r9020 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/Template.pm): Fix Form/Template manage icon, when the template's parent is not committed.
06:48 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r9021 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/Template.pm): 
06:48 < CIA-41> WebGUI: Forward port fix for Form/Template manage button, when template's parent is
06:48 < CIA-41> WebGUI: checked out and not committed.
06:50 <+perlDreamer> okay, rizen
06:57 <+perlDreamer> the beta server is down
06:58 <+perlDreamer> is it being upgraded?
06:59 <@preaction> you're getting the internal server error?
06:59 <@preaction> that's a bug, i think
06:59 <+perlDreamer> I don't suppose you can confirm another bug for me then?
06:59 <+perlDreamer> in SVN head, the asset manager isn't working for me
07:01 <+perlDreamer> nm, it's firebug
07:01 <@rizen> beta server is back up
07:01 <+perlDreamer> does this thing cause more bugs than it helps to fix?
07:03 <@preaction> firebug? sometimes
07:06 <+perlDreamer> it behaves the same way in 7.6 as it does in 7.5
07:07 <@preaction> my bad then
07:07 <+perlDreamer> I think you've got a good point, though
07:07 <@preaction> maybe it's in one of graham's experimental branches
07:08 <+perlDreamer> No, it's added to 7.6
07:08 <+perlDreamer> Maybe it's not added to the Folder?
07:08 <+perlDreamer> but I've talked to him about CS and Wiki.
07:08 <@preaction> oh, i see. you've got a committed asset under an uncommitted asset but not in the normal auto-commit way
07:08 <@preaction> hm... dunno then
07:09 <+perlDreamer> right, with manual commit
07:09 <+perlDreamer> if lineage was versioned, then it would work right, since moving the asset would be versioned.
07:09 <+perlDreamer> but that's crazy
07:10 <@preaction> eh, it's kinda crazy, but not all crazy
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07:16 <+perlDreamer> HomeMech, are you around tonight?
07:22 <+perlDreamer> preaction: can I close this bug: http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/9210?  Or should I try and track down the patch for him?
07:22 <+perlDreamer> it's the IE6 ranking issue in the asset manager
07:23 <@preaction> i would say "upgrade", it's in the 7.5 bugfix versions
07:23 <+perlDreamer> will do
07:31 <@preaction> i mean, if you want to give a patch you're welcome to. or they can just grab a WebGUI/Content/AssetManager.pm from a later version if they're really not wanting to upgrade
07:33 < patspam> anyone know if HelpDesk to headed for the beta any time soon?
07:33 <+perlDreamer> last I heard, it's not going into the core
07:33 <+perlDreamer> it's not i18n'ed or tested
07:33 <+perlDreamer> no docs
07:33 <@preaction> the current version of the helpdesk is getting thrown away. we're writing a new one from scratch
07:34 <@preaction> and maybe another one after that, until it's CORRECT
07:34 < patspam> heh nice
07:36 <@preaction> wish that we could do that more often ;)
07:36 <+perlDreamer> are we fixing bugs in the current one?
07:36 <+perlDreamer> or just superseding them with the new code?
07:36 <@preaction> fixing bugs yes
07:36 <@preaction> the new version may not come for a while
07:36 <+perlDreamer> going to dash more of my hopes?
07:36 <+perlDreamer> Next you'll tell me we have to fix bugs related to IE
07:41 <@preaction> oh, btw, we have to fix IE-related bugs
07:41 <@preaction> and i'm gonna need you to come in on Saturday
07:41 <@preaction> mmmyeah
07:42 <@preaction> oh... annnnd i think i'll need you to come in on Sunday too
07:42 <@preaction> grrreeaaat
07:42  * perlDreamer whips out a Sawz-All
07:46 < HomeMech> evenin all
08:04 <+perlDreamer> HomeMech!
08:04 <+perlDreamer> I was hoping to chat with you
08:04 <+perlDreamer> I tried the account macro on a clean, 7.6 install and it works fine
08:04 <+perlDreamer> we need to figure out what's going on with your setup
08:05 <+perlDreamer> if you're using clean SVN, the problem is probably in your config file
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08:38 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r9023 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.6.8/stockdatatmpl000000002.wgpkg: fix i18n problems in stock data template
08:38 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r9024 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.6.8/ (3 files): i18n manually made buttons in these gallery templates, too.
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12:31 < CIA-41> WebGUI: martin * r9025 /experimental/Bazaar/docs/root_import_bazaar.wgpkg: Fixed a typo in the Bazaar template.
12:55 < CIA-41> WebGUI: martin * r9026 /experimental/Bazaar/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Corrected more typos.
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14:36 <+BartJol> SDuensin: I fixed my problem, wrong order in Content handlers in my config
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16:03 < SDuensin> BartJol - Cool.  Glad to hear it!
16:03 < SDuensin> (Greetings.)
16:03 <+BartJol> morning to you Scott
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16:06 < CIA-41> WebGUI: martin * r9027 /experimental/Bazaar/docs/root_import_bazaar.wgpkg: More typos...
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16:28 <+BartJol> Het zit in de metadadat van t Default Account template zie ik
16:29 <+BartJol> sorry
16:32 < SDuensin> hehe
16:33 <+BartJol> hee, but I do still talk WebGUI outside the channel!
16:33 < SDuensin> Me too.  :-)
16:34 <+BartJol> you now where the default account layout is set? I don't see it in the settings
16:34 <+BartJol> I'm really feelingh stupid now
16:37 <@preaction> isn't there an Account tab?
16:37 <@preaction> in the settings pane?
16:38 < SDuensin> preaction !
16:38 <+BartJol> yeah, but
16:38 < SDuensin> Feeling better dude?
16:38 <+BartJol> you also have a tab account
16:39 <@preaction> SDuensin: well enough to work, thanks
16:39 < SDuensin> That's no fun!
16:40 <@preaction> work is fun what are you talking about?
16:40 <@preaction> if it's not fun why do we do it?
16:40 <+BartJol> all work and no play makes bart a dull boy
16:40 < SDuensin> Uh.  My wife said so?  :-)
16:43 <+BartJol> in the authentication tab I can shoose a main account template, but Default Account Template doesn't show up there
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16:52 <@preaction> BartJol: do you mean the Account Layout template?
16:52 <@preaction> i'm not seeing a Default Account Template
16:55 <+BartJol> via the asset manger go to root import
16:56 <+BartJol> and then Account
16:56 <+BartJol> in that folder there is the Default accoun template
16:57 <+BartJol> I do specifically do not mean the Account Template
17:01 <+BartJol> I see a setting profileLayoutTemplateId with the same assetId as value in the db
17:03 <@preaction> BartJol: what's the title on that template? the asset manager shows the menu title
17:03 <+BartJol> The same
17:04 <@preaction> and the ID is "FJbUTvZ2nUTn65LpW6gjsA"?
17:04 <+BartJol> no
17:05 <+BartJol> it is N716tpSna0iIQTKxS4gTWA
17:06 < CIA-41> WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r9028 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/ (Survey/ResponseJSON.pm Collaboration.pm Survey.pm): Corrected survey timeout issues.
17:06 < CIA-41> WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r9029 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Collaboration.pm: Rolled back Collaboration to 9027
17:07 <@preaction> okay, that should correspond to the template located on the Settings page, Account tab, "Profile" box, next to "Edit Layout Template"
17:10 <+BartJol> I'll check, but somehow I can't seem to edit my settings right now
17:11 <@preaction> hm... error log?
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17:13 <+BartJol> well, I got in again, I manged to fix it
17:13 <+BartJol> strange, because in the original template the css links weren't there
17:14 <@preaction> that is the same behavior SDuensin reported to me yesterday
17:14 <@preaction> that might be a bug
17:14 <+BartJol> it's 7.6.7
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17:16 < SDuensin> Oh crap.  Yea.  All my 7.6.6 sites are doing it.  :-/
17:17 <+BartJol> the editing of the settings that doesn't work?
17:17 <+BartJol> with me it was after commiting a version tag
17:18 < SDuensin> I can't get to the account screen on any of them.
17:18 < SDuensin> I'll have to look at it later.  :-/
17:18 <+BartJol> the account screen?
17:18 <+BartJol> prolly your config is wrong
17:18 < SDuensin> That's my guess.
17:18 <+BartJol> be sure to add the content handler
17:18 <+BartJol> before operation
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17:19 <+BartJol> and the account stuff that is in the original config
17:20 <+BartJol> I was wrestling with that today and yesterday
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17:41 <+perlDreamer> could a nice PB person please move this from the bug board to the rfe board? http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/9327
17:42 <+perlDreamer> and this one: http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/9250
17:54 <@bopbop> I'll take care of it perlDreamer
17:54 <+perlDreamer> thanks, bopbop
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18:21 <@tavisto> perlDreamer
18:21 <+perlDreamer> hey, tavisto!
18:21 <+perlDreamer> what's up?
18:21 <@tavisto> hey brotha! how are ya?
18:22 <+perlDreamer> all is well out west
18:22 <+perlDreamer> trying to get IE 7 installed so I can fix some JS bugs with that
18:22 <@tavisto> excellent, keeping busy with the consulting dealio?
18:22 <@tavisto> Well, I'm looking for a sanity check here. Awhile back there was a bug (or caching issue) in which someone attempting to checkout from a wG shop would be returned to the shopping cart screen.
18:23 <+perlDreamer> I read that bug
18:24 <@tavisto> oh yeah okay I see what you're talking about
18:24 <@tavisto> well, I guess this could be the same type of issue now that I think about it
18:25 <@tavisto> I thought this was an issue a LONG while back w/ the cart. Where someone clicks on the payment type (say Credit Card) and then it takes them backwards to the shopping cart.
18:25 <@tavisto> However, I haven't been able to find that darn bugger anyway so maybe it was just discussion in here. I thought it was back in the days of shop-bug slaughtering McPerlDreamer
18:26 <+perlDreamer> have you tried the IRC logs on mentalhouse.net?
18:26 <+perlDreamer> we went through so many of those shop bugs that very few of them stand out for me anymore
18:29 <+perlDreamer> tavisto: the real key to figuring out if this is a bug or a caching issue is to get the logs or, to turn on debug mode in the settings
18:31 <@tavisto> hmm.. so if I have a customer who is trying to give a pile o' money to PB right now but cannot, then I should have her try again and then have Graham get me a copy of a particular log?
18:32  * perlDreamer likes it when people give PB piles of money
18:32 <+perlDreamer> if you know when she tried to check out, then all Haarg would need is the time/date
18:32 <+perlDreamer> no need to try again
18:32 <+perlDreamer> although it would be more convenient
18:32 <+perlDreamer> than digging through old log files
18:32 <@tavisto> alright, she emailed me right after it failed
18:33 <@tavisto> this morning
18:33 <+perlDreamer> that's gotta be frustrating for her
18:34 <@tavisto> yep, it's amazing how frustrated people get when they can't successfully checkout. I get all those *happy* emails
18:34 <@tavisto> the new green button has made things much more clear for checkout process.. Now we just need to figure out what the heck is going on w/ the checkout process and why peeps are randomly flying backwards
18:35 <+perlDreamer> tavisto, does this happen frequently?
18:36 <@tavisto> I would say I probably see weirdness emails with checking out once or twice a month. Depends on how many new hosting or e-commerce purchase peeps I am helping
18:37 <@tavisto> some months I see it more. For instance in that bug I posted, we couldn't get the checkout button screen after entering and selecting an address
18:40 <@tavisto> but, I will go ahead and request to get the logs for the time when she was attempting to make her purchase. Then I'll submit a new bug and attach it
18:41 <+perlDreamer> just go ahead and amend the existing bug.  The more info in 1 place the more likely it will be found.
18:41 <+perlDreamer> intermittent bugs are the worst
18:44  * perlDreamer takes a breakfast break
18:48 <+BartJol> it's almost dinner time
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18:55 <@tavisto> only if you are a big dutchman
19:03 <+BartJol> :) big dutchmen is going to drink beer, as the purpose of my life asks of me
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19:17 <+perlDreamer> tavisto, I have a clue!
19:18 <+perlDreamer> are your customers buying multiple recurring items?
19:19 <@tavisto> negative
19:20 <@tavisto> multiple items though
19:20 <+perlDreamer> d'oh
19:20 <@tavisto> well this time around anyway
19:20 <+perlDreamer> what kind of multiple items?
19:20 <@tavisto> advertising
19:20 <@tavisto> clicks
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19:50 < elnino> hmm. I'm looking for wre binary for suse. am I missing it?
19:52 < SDuensin> elnino - http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=51417&package_id=148913
19:52 < SDuensin> SLES 9 and 10 are on there.
19:53 < elnino> yep, that's where I'm looking.  Oh. THat's what SLES is.. 
19:53 < elnino> what does SLES stand for?
19:53 <@perlmonkey2> rizen: hahahahaa, all I can say is thank god I got you involved on this and you missed it also.  Else I'd be so damned fired it wouldn't be funny.
19:53 <+perlDreamer> Suse Linux Enterprise Edition?
19:53 < SDuensin> Yea.  SUSE Linux Enterprise Server
19:53 < elnino> ah.  K.  Thanks!
19:53 < SDuensin> yw
19:53 <+perlDreamer> Also, Stupid Linux Extremely Sucks
19:53 < elnino> Oh.  I suppose 11 isn't support.
19:53 < elnino> s/support/supported
19:54 <@rizen> what are we talking about?
19:54 < SDuensin> 10 may work.  I run the Ubuntu 6.xx WRE on Ubuntu 8.xx.
19:54 < SDuensin> rizen - WebGUI dude.  It's all we ever talk about.  :-)
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19:56 < elnino> ok. I'll try 10 on 11.  cross fingers...
19:57 <+perlDreamer> elnino, curse you for your IE/WebGUI thoroughness :)
19:57 < elnino> huh?
19:57 < elnino> will wre .85 work with webgui 7.5.24?
19:57 < SDuensin> yes
19:57 < elnino> perlDreamer, are you referring to another bug?
19:57  * perlDreamer is grouchy because he had to install IE.  Just whinging.
19:58 < elnino> ok. Thanks SDuensin
19:58  * perlDreamer heads to the showers for a break
20:00 < elnino> I'm sorry, I'm getting confused it's been a year... since I did a fresh install. .. Do I install wre first or webgui first? I'm getting the impression that wre has webgui in it.  I need to install 7.5.24 but would like to use wre for maintainance and upgrades. 
20:00 < SDuensin> WRE fist.
20:00 < SDuensin> First.
20:00 < SDuensin> It will download WebGUI for you.
20:02 < elnino> and I can tell it what version?
20:03 < SDuensin> It'll get the latest Stable.  If you want something else, you can do a manual install of WebGUI during the install of the WRE.
20:04 < elnino> ok.
20:06  * SDuensin is gonna go hunt down some lunch.  Back later.
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20:45 < samora> hello
20:45 <@preaction> hello
20:45 < samora> anyone done a temporary splash page?
20:46 <@preaction> you can change your homepage to anything through the settings
20:46 < samora> would all the nav be affected?
20:46 < samora> all the existing nav seeking ^/; or the appropriate macro
20:47 <@preaction> probably, i don't know how you set your site up
20:47 < samora> preaction, so you are guessing, but actually haven't done one
20:47 < samora> anyone done a temporary splash page?
20:48 <@preaction> no, i have done one. i just set my site up appropriately so that it works
20:48 < samora> well, my guess is that it would be an .htaccess thing.  seek splash.html instead of index ?
20:48 <@preaction> i'm not on your site. if you want me to give you a 100% correct solution, Plain Black Corp. offers login support
20:48 <@preaction> wait. are you using WebGUI?
20:49 < samora> yes
20:49 <@preaction> webgui doesn't use htaccess
20:49 < samora> hmm
20:49 <@preaction> it also doesn't use DirectoryIndex
20:49 < samora> hmm
20:49 < samora> k. thanks
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21:29 <@perlmonkey2> what's the easiest way to reset a password if you only have db access?
21:29 <@perlmonkey2> IEC authentiation
21:32  * SDuensin swears at 7.6.whatever-broke-things.
21:33 < SDuensin> The If macro is broken, the new admin configs don't get added, there's CSS missing.  AAARRGH!
21:34 < nuba> sounds like having a bad day
21:35 < SDuensin> Incredibly.
21:35 < nuba> thanks for sharing with us, SDuensin. were proud of you and of your standing in this support group
21:36 < SDuensin> Yea.  Just wait.  I'm sure I can erode that.  :-P
21:36 < nuba> it should be called WAA - WebGUI Addict Anonymous ;)
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21:39 < SDuensin> I wish I knew what was wrong.  Seems like all my templates exist.
21:45 <@perlmonkey2> Here is a weird bug.  I can log in.  But whenever I click on a link I am logged out.  I'm successfully logging in, but any link shows me as logged out.  Any ideas?
21:51 <@preaction> perlmonkey2: different domain in the links?
21:51 <@preaction> SDuensin: bartjol had the same problem. that may be a bug
21:52 < SDuensin> preaction - I think it is.  T22:15 < SDuensin> Is there maybe *no* default CSS for the new account manager?  There's a class called "topTabs" but I can't find it.
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22:41 <@perlmonkey2> SDuensin: which version are you having this issue on?
22:41 < SDuensin> 7.6.6
22:41 < SDuensin> Going to 7.6.7 at the moment.
22:43 < SDuensin> 7.6.7 didn't fix anything.
22:46 < SDuensin> www.webgui.org loads two additional CSS files from /extras/ for that page.  I added them, but it's not doing it.  Going to flush my caches.
22:47 <@preaction> SDuensin: now its really looking like a webgui bug
22:48 < SDuensin> It's done the same thing to me several times now on multiple machines.
22:48 < SDuensin> It's like an entire update was just missed.
22:49 < SDuensin> Doesn't explain why my editing the template doesn't change things though.
22:49 < SDuensin> WebGUI is going to be the death of me this week.
22:53 <@preaction> do those CSS files even exist?
22:54 < SDuensin> Yea.  I can punch the URLs in to my site and they load.
22:54 <@preaction> weird
22:54 < SDuensin> In the "Default Account Layout" template, I added these Extra Head Elements:
22:54 < SDuensin> <link rel="stylesheet" href="/extras/yui/build/tabview/assets/skins/sam/tabview.css" type="text/css">
22:54 < SDuensin> <link rel="stylesheet" href="/extras/account/account.css" type="text/css" />
22:54 <@preaction> oh. the Extra Head Block change
22:55 < SDuensin> Yea.
22:55 <@preaction> that might be it
22:55 < SDuensin> Should styling CSS be in /extras/ anyway?
22:56 <@preaction> depends, is it included by code using $session->style->setLink(...) or by a template?
22:56 < SDuensin> I don't know why those new head entries don't show up though.  :-(
22:56 < SDuensin> Good question.
22:56 < SDuensin> Code, it seems.
22:56 <@preaction> hm
22:57 <@preaction> let me take a look
22:57 < SDuensin> Maybe not.  Looking again.
22:57  * SDuensin needs to READ and *then* speak!
22:57 <@preaction> usually templates should include CSS snippets, but code should have CSS from the extras folder
22:58 < SDuensin> Ok, those two files I pasted links to are *not* in the code.
23:02 < SDuensin> BBIAF
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23:34 < SDuensin> back
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00:34 <@khenn> perlDreamer, are you around?
00:35 <+perlDreamer> yes, khenn
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00:56 <@perlmonkey2> yo, anyone know if there is an IE problem with submitting forms with a button tag?
00:57 <@khenn> there appears to be
00:57 <+perlDreamer> IE7 on vista
00:57 <+perlDreamer> haven't tried XP
00:57 <@preaction> there is, yes
00:57 <+perlDreamer> what's the fix, preaction?  and how did you know?
00:57 <@preaction> IE6 doesn't do <button> tags properly. it uses the contents of the button as the value
00:57 <@preaction> i know because i broke the asset manager, the gallery, and probably a couple other things by doing <button> tags
00:58 <@preaction> they're awesome, if IE6 wasn't weetodded
00:58 <+perlDreamer> IE7 has the same problem
00:59 <+perlDreamer> I'll fix the specific asset manager search issue, then do some ack work to get the rest
00:59 <+perlDreamer> unless they're coded inside templates?
00:59 <@preaction> afaik i should have got them all
00:59 <@preaction> the search maybe
00:59 <@preaction> maybe i missed
00:59 <+perlDreamer> search still has a <button
01:00 <+perlDreamer> AssetManager, Matrix2 and Operation::VersionTag
01:01 <@preaction> fingurs
01:01 <@preaction> er. i mean you can't prove nothin
01:01 <+perlDreamer> svn blame reveals all...
01:13 <@perlmonkey2> tmtowtdi on #perl for any interested
01:14 <@perlmonkey2> hmm, err, probably not the real one...
01:15 <+perlDreamer> boy, what any tom, dick, or tmtowdi will do nowadays
01:15 <@perlmonkey2> heh
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01:17 <+perlDreamer> is steveo_aa aka meatbop?
01:18 <@preaction> nope. steveo_aa is Stephen Opal, the newest plain black developer
01:18 <@preaction> he's been a contractor with us for quite some time, and he started today
01:18 <+perlDreamer> cool!
01:21 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r9030 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Content/AssetManager.pm): In AssetManager, replace button tags with submit tags to make IE happy.
01:21 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r9031 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Content/AssetManager.pm): Forward port asset manager button fixes for search form.
01:21 <+perlDreamer> bug--
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01:37 <+perlDreamer> all, thanks for your IE and HTML quirks mode help today.
01:38  * perlDreamer heads home from the remote office.
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02:48 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r9032 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/DateTime.pm): 
02:48 < CIA-41> WebGUI: DateTime didn't work well when it isn't passed any kind of date argument.
02:48 < CIA-41> WebGUI: Use now as a default. Root cause was in Operation/VersionTag, where old
02:48 < CIA-41> WebGUI: version tags didn't have startTimes and endTimes.
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03:50 < daviddelikat> any body know where apache logs are on WebGUI?
03:50 <@preaction> /data/wre/var/logs/modperl.error.log and modproxy.error.log
03:50 <@preaction> also webgui.log is in there too
03:50 < daviddelikat> thanks
03:52 < daviddelikat> what about msql?
03:52 <@rizen> in /data/wre/var/mysqldata
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03:53 <@rizen> daviddelikat: you mean you've been working for the past week without knowing that?
03:53 <@rizen> that had to have slowed your progress
03:53 <@preaction> eh, if he had the webgui log i could see not needing the others much
03:53 <@rizen> might i also recommend Admin Console > Settings > Miscellaneous > Show debug?
03:53 <@rizen> = yes
03:54 < daviddelikat> have not really had to look at many logs
03:55 < daviddelikat> show debug is on, and not been very helpful...
03:56 <@rizen> show debug >= webgui.log
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04:10 < CIA-41> WebGUI: jt * r9034 /experimental/Automat/bin/automatshell: 
04:10 < CIA-41> WebGUI: more secure shell
04:10 < CIA-41> WebGUI: fixed lots of bugs
04:16 < patspam> my fav is to turn DEBUG on for webgui.log and then filter out everything except the module I'm working on with CallerMatch
04:17 < patspam> combined with "xtail /data/wre/var/*"
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04:47 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r9035 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
04:47 < CIA-41> WebGUI: Fix the date selector, so that if the version tag has no start and/or end dates
04:47 < CIA-41> WebGUI: that the form doesn't puke.
04:47 < CIA-41> WebGUI: Replace button tags with submit buttons for IE.
04:47 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r9036 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Forward port button tag and version tag start and end date fixes.
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05:08 <@preaction> Perl would be Voodoo - An incomprehensible series of arcane incantations that involve the blood of goats and permanently corrupt your soul. Often used when your boss requires you to do an urgent task at 21:00 on friday night.
05:08 <@preaction> http://www.aegisub.net/2008/12/if-programming-languages-were-religions.html
06:41 < CIA-41> WebGUI: patspam * r9037 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (60 files in 25 dirs): (log message trimmed)
06:41 < CIA-41> WebGUI: Squashed commit of the following:
06:41 < CIA-41> WebGUI: commit f17f13504f3d6412e98d526e1a4db048da6bd554
06:41 < CIA-41> WebGUI: Author: Patrick Donelan <pat@patspam.com>
06:41 < CIA-41> WebGUI: Date: Thu Dec 18 15:02:04 2008 +1100
06:41 < CIA-41> WebGUI:  Updated PrevNext macro documentation
06:41 < CIA-41> WebGUI: commit 5037ae0ca3ed889e94b4355d489722a307218ab5
06:41 < CIA-41> WebGUI: patspam * r9038 /branch/WebGUI_flux/lib/WebGUI/Macro/PrevNext.pm: Fixed documentation bug in PrevNext macro
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08:48 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r9040 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 2 dirs): template i18n, along with new labels
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14:39 < CIA-41> WebGUI: yung * r9042 /branch/survey-rfe/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: implemented Survey final page detection (#9199)
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16:38 < Lisette> I like to process the values of form fields delivered by another site other than WebGUI when I make a payment through this, I think that is a paydriver and I need to process this information, as it should do so knowing that I have to be processed from a url outside a post that makes me?
16:38 <@steveo_aa> My macros are not being utilized.  I have entries for them in my conf file.  Instead I get lines like ^AdminBar in my web page stream.
16:40 <@steveo_aa> webgui log says "Unable to process macro 'AssetProxy' due to a fatal error in Config/JSON.pm
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17:52 < SDuensin> Greetings.
17:54 <@perlmonkey2> howdy howdy SDuensin
17:55 < SDuensin> You're all in far too good a mood in the morning.  :-P
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17:58 < Lisette> I like to process the values of form fields delivered by another site other than WebGUI when I make a payment through this, I think that is a paydriver and I need to process this information, as it should do so knowing that I have to be processed from a url outside a post that makes me?
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18:19 <+perlDreamer> yo, tavisto
18:19 <@tavisto> howdy
18:19 <+perlDreamer> I didn't try to purchase any clicks yesterday
18:20 <@tavisto> well then I shall no longer call you friend
18:20 < SDuensin> hehe
18:20 <+perlDreamer> it's the whole $3K price tag that has me worried
18:21 <+perlDreamer> especially for a Shop debug
18:21 <@tavisto> hehe yeah that's why I suggested buying (3) 1 click products
18:22 <+perlDreamer> I _will_ try that later today, after I go get beat up by a Hungarian
18:24 <@tavisto> interesting day you have planned there.
18:24 <@tavisto> I guess a "good luck" would be appropriate
18:24 < Lisette> i can use a cgi into a paydriver?
18:26 <+perlDreamer> tavisto: He's my personal trainer at the gym.
18:27 <+perlDreamer> The good news is that I'm learning how to count to 40 in Hungarian
18:27 <+perlDreamer> The bad news is that I'm doing it while doing push-ups, sit-ups, squats,.... :)
18:27 < SDuensin> hehehe
18:28 < SDuensin> Not a fair trade if you ask me.
18:31 < Lisette> how to do to get the id of a