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23:15 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer / Haarg either of you familiar with Plone's KSS?
23:16 <+perlDreamer> no
23:16 <+perlDreamer> When you say !perl, the answer is usually no
23:17 <@perlmonkey2> Just pondering how to AJAX'ify everything in From/*
23:17 <@perlmonkey2> Form/*
23:18 <@perlmonkey2> Well most things in Form can already be easily ajax'ified
23:20 <@perlmonkey2> But things like the sliders
23:22 <@preaction> what do you mean ajaxify?
23:22 <@perlmonkey2> preaction: Say you want an ajax call to return a form with an IntSlider.
23:23 <@perlmonkey2> The JS returned with the IntSlider won't be executed?
23:23 <@preaction> ah, that depends on how you parse the new form
23:23 <@perlmonkey2> toHtml on a slider returns HTML plus some JS for the events and new JS slider
23:24 <@preaction> innerHTML won't do it, no. you'd have to do some fanciness of grabbing the scripts and executing them
23:24 <@perlmonkey2> But we need something sexy like Plone has only better and less lame.
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23:25 <@preaction> or put a frontend on that would do the right thing
23:27 <@perlmonkey2> need something like a template for the JS libs to add form elements to.
23:29 <@perlmonkey2> So all of Form/* has corrosponding JS to handle them. And then when you create a Form/? what happens in a JSON data structure is sent along with a
in the HTML. Then are new shiny JS library parses the JSON and adds form elements to the matching divs as needed.
23:29 <@perlmonkey2> s/are/our/
23:30 <@perlmonkey2> I think two of the Thingy bugs are because the IntSlider and SelectSlider are trying to be loaded via AJAX.
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23:35 <@preaction> most likely
23:36 <@preaction> perhaps instead a form control could give JS code to create itself?
23:37 <@perlmonkey2> But the form control doens't know it needs to have it's JS lib in the page until it is requested by the AJAX call. Unless you use eval() on it I guess.
23:38 <@preaction> the method that builds the form would need to know that
23:38 <@preaction> it would build the JS-enabled version instead of the normal version
23:38 <@perlmonkey2> I like it
23:39 <@preaction> it's still a lot of work :(
23:39 <@preaction> and i would get it approved by the people at-large here, namely Haarg and rizen
23:39 <@preaction> perhaps it could return both markup and code
23:39 <@perlmonkey2> well most of the Form stuff doesn't need anything done to it.
23:39 <@preaction> in a JSON object, that we could make a single routine to process
23:40 <@perlmonkey2> but then we'd be eval'ing the code on the JS side.
23:40 <@preaction> so WebGUI.Form.processAjaxForm( ajax_form_object )
23:40 <@preaction> yes. there's going to be no way around that at all
23:40 <@perlmonkey2> XSS attacks could insert JS for eval'ing.
23:40 <@Haarg> or it could just be that the selectslider control is broken
23:40 <@perlmonkey2> well, if you have a master lib loaded already that already has the code needed for every type of form and the JSON is simply telling what needs to be ran on which id.
23:41 <@Haarg> go to /home?op=editPalette;pid=defaultPalette
23:41 <@Haarg> and try editting a color
23:41 <@preaction> perlmonkey2, so it returns the name of a function to run? like WebGUI.Form.SelectSlider.init or something?
23:41 <@Haarg> the forms api changes must have broken it
23:41 <@perlmonkey2> preaction: yeah something like that, sure
23:42 <@Haarg> we've been considering how to make the forms system more ajax friendly
23:42 <@perlmonkey2> Haarg: it may be broken, but the Thingy Thing editor does an ajax call upon saving an edit and the IntSlider and SelectSlider both have attached JS which won't get executed upon their return.
23:43 <@Haarg> the thingy editor doesn't really have to work though
23:43 <@perlmonkey2> true, that is just there for show.
23:43 <@Haarg> we do need to make the forms system more ajax friendly
23:44 <@preaction> XSS doesn't really apply here, you control the URL the AJAX call is made to, and the JS is grabbed from the form control, there's no way for a user to intervene
23:44 <@Haarg> i think the plan is to work on that more for 7.7
23:45 <@perlmonkey2> what about all form objects adding their type and id to a JSON object that is sent. Then any JS lib parsing returns could check that object to see what needs to be done upon a AJAX return.l
23:45 <@perlmonkey2> just a hash with their id containing the form type and any options neededc.
23:46 <@perlmonkey2> needed.
23:46 <@perlmonkey2> probably wouldn't even have to change teh API.
23:46 <@perlmonkey2> okay I'll stop blathering and go figure out what's wrong with SelectSlider.
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00:50 <+perlDreamer> I need some SQL help
00:50 <+perlDreamer> I'm testing Workflow::Instance
00:50 <+perlDreamer> and checking that singleton mode works in the workflow
00:50 <+perlDreamer> it does this query
00:50 <+perlDreamer> "select count(*) from WorkflowInstance where workflowId=? and parameters=?",[$properties->{workflowId},$params]
00:50 <+perlDreamer> and it's failing
00:51 <+perlDreamer> if you remove the parameters=? part, then it finds the workflow
00:51 <+perlDreamer> if you query the db, it says that the parameters are undef
00:52 <+perlDreamer> well, if you query the db through perl, its says that the parameters field is undef
00:52 <+perlDreamer> if you query the db directly, then the parameters are NULL
00:53 <+perlDreamer> does undef not map to NULL as a placeholder?
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00:54 < isaac__> hello all
00:54 <+perlDreamer> Hey, isaac__!
00:55 < isaac__> been a while since I've been in here
00:55 < isaac__> got a workflow question
00:55 <+perlDreamer> It has. Staying busy?
00:55 < isaac__> Yeah. I've written a build system inside webgui
00:55 < isaac__> very cool stuff.
00:55 <+perlDreamer> So what's your workflow question?
00:56 < isaac__> I've written an activity that I want to shut down the workflow instance. But if I do $instance->delete() from inside the activity the instance is deleted before spectre can return on the activity so specre loops and erros trying to update the instance
00:57 < isaac__> Yeah. So at work here, we block all outbound ports. So I can't really connect IRC> I'm running xchat on a remote server through ssh right now. HAH
00:58 < isaac__> basically my only recourse is to have the activity spawn another workflow that will delete the instance and then return a waiting state
00:58 < isaac__> but this seems a bit inelegant
00:59 < isaac__> basically deleting the instance while it's running doesn't actually delete it out to spectre. so spectre is still chewing on it
01:00 <+perlDreamer> I see. It sounds like it needs to do a $spectre->notify
01:00 <+perlDreamer> You'll need to talk with either rizen or preaction about that one.
01:00 <+perlDreamer> I don't know if you can tell spectre to terminate a workflow that way or not
01:00 < isaac__> hmm... k. I wasn't sure if I could get out to the instance in spectre from within the activity
01:00 < isaac__> yeah.
01:01 <+perlDreamer> Internally, the instance can, so I don't see why you couldn't do it in an activity.
01:02 < isaac__> there's deleteInstance() in the Spectre/Workflow.pm I need to go in that. But it says to delete an instance in the processing queue.
01:02 < isaac__> maybe I'll try that
01:03 <+perlDreamer> isaac__, this is what you want:
01:03 <+perlDreamer> WebGUI::Workflow::Spectre->new($self->session)->notify("workflow/deleteInstance",$self->getId);
01:03 <+perlDreamer> that's copied from the set method in Workflow/Instance.pm
01:04 < isaac__> nice.
01:04 < isaac__> trying...
01:04 <+perlDreamer> If that works, please submit it as a bug.
01:04 <+perlDreamer> When an instance is deleted, it should tell spectre
01:04 <+perlDreamer> and rizen will decide if it's a bug or an rfe
01:05 < isaac__> hmm...kkk
01:05 < isaac__> 1 sec
01:06 < isaac__> hmm
01:07 < isaac__> not sure that it's working. I need to see where it's failing. I suspect that it's trying to delete the instance from the processing quque, but it's not in the queue since it's actually running
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01:10 <+perlDreamer> isaac__, it does delete it from the queue.
01:11 <+perlDreamer> So it won't terminate a currently running instance
01:14 <+perlDreamer> Here's something else to try.
01:14 <+perlDreamer> If you get a copy of the current instance
01:15 <+perlDreamer> set the currentActivityId to the last activity in the Workflow.
01:16 < isaac__> ooh
01:16 <+perlDreamer> when Spectre tries to grab the next activity after yours finishes, that activity won't exist, and the Instance's run method will return done.
01:16 <+perlDreamer> and it should stop
01:16 < isaac__> that's good idea
01:16 <+perlDreamer> but that's more guesswork
01:16 <+perlDreamer> and kind of hackish
01:16 < isaac__> not super elegant, but good enough
01:16 < isaac__> yeah
01:17 <+perlDreamer> If you find yourself with some spare time, I'd love to know more about what you're doing.
01:17 <+perlDreamer> Would you make a dev list post about it?
01:18 < isaac__> yeah. it's been on my list for a while. Eventually I want to wrap up the rough edges and post it.
01:18 < isaac__> but it will take a bit of work. since alot of what's needed to make it acceptable for posting isn't needed for deployment internally here where I'm at
01:18 <+perlDreamer> oh, I just mean tell us about it
01:19 < isaac__> 've already got permission to release it out
01:19 < isaac__> yeah.
01:19 < isaac__> I know. Just mentioning
01:19 < isaac__> the spectre workflow stuff makes alot of this easy. I mean, I'm pretty much overloading what the system was meant for I think. But it just works so welll;
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01:21 <+perlDreamer> bbiab
01:22 < isaac__> bbiab also
01:35 <+perlDreamer> back
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01:47 <@preaction> why can you not return DONE?
01:47 <+perlDreamer> try it :)
01:47 <+perlDreamer> well, that was smart-ass of me
01:47 <@preaction> see the RequstApprovalForVersionTag workflow, it spawns a new workflow and kills itself
01:47 <+perlDreamer> done is not a constant approved by the Activity
01:47 <@preaction> hmm... then the second thing i said
01:47 <+perlDreamer> approved = exported
01:47 <+perlDreamer> maybe it should be
01:48 <@preaction> the RequestApprovalForVersionTag can delete itself, since continuing on would commit assets
01:49 < isaac__> ok. tyring that last thing now
01:50 < isaac__> hmm.... checking that activity now
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01:52 < isaac__> I was doing what that activity does.
01:52 < isaac__> then spectre spins on the instance that it still has
01:52 < isaac__> in memory
01:53 < isaac__> I'm on an old version tho. maybe I'm running into a bug that's been fixed.
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02:04 < isaac__> looks like I can set the instance to DONE. not as returning from the actigity but directly via set
02:07 <+perlDreamer> preaction, if you'd double check my latest commits I'd really appreciate it
02:07 <@preaction> ok
02:08 <@preaction> r numbers?
02:08 <+perlDreamer> 7518
02:08 <+perlDreamer> and back port to 7.5
02:08 <+perlDreamer> but 7518 is the key one
02:08 <@preaction> also, if anyone ever offers you "Spinach and Proscuitto cassarole", tell them to screw off
02:08 * preaction drowns his in pepper
02:09 <+perlDreamer> offhand it doesn't sound that bad
02:09 <+perlDreamer> is it from a store?
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02:10 < isaac__> weird. neither is working for some reason. would there be a reasn that $instance->set() would not work from insdie the activity? Or not be seen right away? I use it for the params all the time
02:11 <@preaction> probably because you return completed, which WebGUI then sets as the status
02:11 < isaac__> I'm also trying to set currentActivityId, but it looks like it doesn't see that either
02:11 < isaac__> or it gets reset as I return or something
02:12 < isaac__> trolling Instance.pm now
02:12 < isaac__> trawling?
02:12 <@preaction> perlDreamer, no. i probably screwed it up. i didn't add the anise seeds and used boullion + water instead of real chicken broth (it was the water that was probably a bad idea)
02:13 <@preaction> perlDreamer, but your commit looks fine. I'd like to see "isSingleton" encapsulated, perhaps also an Instance->canAdd which would check singleton
02:13 <@preaction> but that's not really necessary
02:13 <@preaction> if I don't decide to fix the wiki and add some features to the calendar for my R&D time, i have a big project planned for workflow
02:14 <+perlDreamer> preaction: do you think it would be useful elsewhere? singletonExists?
02:14 <+perlDreamer> the funny thing is, singleton workflows were completely broken until that commit
02:14 <@preaction> canAdd would return false if it was disabled, or if it was singleton and already an instance in there
02:14 <+perlDreamer> you could have lots of them running at the same time
02:14 <@preaction> canRun could return false if it wasn't the first instance of a serial workflow
02:15 <@preaction> stuff like that
02:15 <@preaction> a better API really
02:15 < CIA-39> WebGUI: colin * r7518 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs):
02:15 < CIA-39> WebGUI: Fix multiple bugs related to Singleton workflows:
02:15 < CIA-39> WebGUI: Can't use undef in a where clause.
02:15 < CIA-39> WebGUI: Have to use the same JSON encoding in all places.
02:15 < CIA-39> WebGUI: Added tests for singleton workflow instances.
02:15 < CIA-39> WebGUI: colin * r7519 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 3 dirs): backport Workflow/Instance bug fix and test
02:15 <+perlDreamer> If the API changes get approved, I'll refactor it out
02:15 <+perlDreamer> since we have the tests for it now :)
02:16 <+perlDreamer> A more unified API, similar to the Asset API would be very nice
02:16 <@preaction> indeed
02:17 <+perlDreamer> It would be nice if we could standardize on new and create everywhere as constructors, too
02:17 < isaac__> k. looks like I need to return WAITING
02:17 <@preaction> we can, eventually
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02:18 <@preaction> er... waiting means re-run the same activity again, can you not just upgrade your WebGUI?
02:19 < isaac__> I am upgrading it later. but this doesn't look like a bug. or if it is, I can't really wait
02:19 < isaac__> upgrading will be a big deal
02:19 < isaac__> It's going to happen in the next couple weeks. but this has to get done first
02:19 < isaac__> no. I'm setting currentActivityId then return $self->WAITING;
02:19 <@preaction> what version are you running?
02:20 < isaac__> if I return COMPLETE then it sets currentActivityId right after I return
02:20 < isaac__> uhm
02:20 < isaac__> that worked
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02:21 < isaac__> looks like 7.4.16
02:21 < isaac__> basically I'm short-circuiting the workflow. if I enter the condition where I want to end. I set the currentActivityId to the last activity then return WAITING. it then runs on the next loops and sees there's no activity next and finishes itup
02:22 <@preaction> right, that's the hacky way to do it, and it probably won't work when you upgrade
02:23 < isaac__> really? Should still work. But yes, I agree there probably is a better way.
02:23 < isaac__> it should just be able to delete itslef like that other one.
02:24 < isaac__> I'll try to track down why that was failing. I just don't have time now. Gonna head home sono
02:24 < isaac__> soon
02:25 <@preaction> i'd check lib/WebGUI/Operation/Workflow.pm, it should check to see if the instance actually exists, otherwise it should return "DONE" to spectre
02:25 <@preaction> that's how it does it in the later versions
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02:27 < isaac__> k. I'll leave the better method in, and commented out. I can switch back to it after testing it on the new installtion. hack will work for now.
02:28 < isaac__> question: anyone think about adding a global switch that would cause all www_ methods to have a json only return?
02:28 <+perlDreamer> Yes, preaction did the other day
02:28 <@preaction> sounds quite extensive and not a good idea
02:28 < isaac__> so I can hit for op= and get everything back as json
02:28 <@preaction> i did? good gravy what was i on?
02:28 < isaac__> yeah maybe not everything
02:28 < isaac__> but alot of stuff
02:28 < isaac__> like the op stuff and func stuff mostly
02:28 <@preaction> will www_ajaxInlineView sate your needs?
02:28 < isaac__> I guess
02:28 < isaac__> that's for assets
02:29 <+perlDreamer> later guys
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02:29 <@preaction> func= is assets
02:29 < isaac__> I actually was thinking abotu writing a ExtJS 2.2 interface for the admin completely
02:29 < isaac__> so you could instantiate and admin console anywhere.
02:29 < isaac__> basically not need to drop into adminmode all the time/ever
02:29 <@preaction> if you write it with YUI, it would be useful to the core
02:29 <@preaction> also, you don't have to turn admin mode on really
02:29 < isaac__> I know. But I'm heavily invested in ext
02:29 < isaac__> I know
02:29 <@preaction> you can do ?op=adminConsole whenever you want
02:29 < isaac__> I know
02:30 < isaac__> I mean actually instantiating the cnosole without reloading the page at all
02:30 < isaac__> YUI just doesn't cut it for GUI stuff.
02:30 <@preaction> asynch load ?op=adminConsole and put it in a popup, sure
02:31 < isaac__> yeah. something like that. But basically not have any HTML get returned. so instantiate a window div for the console but load everything in via a Ext console interface. not actually pull stuff. IN the version I'm using the adminconsole sends alot of print "" stuff
02:31 < isaac__> so the view output is hardcoded into the server response
02:32 <@preaction> i don't remember if 7.4 has content handlers, but that would be what you'd want to create
02:32 < isaac__> yeah. I've been thinking on it for a while. But not really having time. and not wanting to do something in the old version
02:34 < isaac__> anywho. Time to run home.. ttyl
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02:56 < CIA-39> WebGUI: colin * r7520 /WebGUI/t/Workflow/Instance.t: clean-up, get ready to test set
02:56 < CIA-39> WebGUI: colin * r7521 /WebGUI/t/Workflow/Instance.t: check the logging for duping a singleton
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03:16 < BartJol> hee patspam morning there already?
03:16 < patspam> yessir :)
03:17 < BartJol> damn, just going to bed, timezones suck!
03:17 < patspam> how's things in your neck of the woods?
03:18 < BartJol> well, somebody messed up my translation, actually that really pissed my off for a bit
03:18 < BartJol> for the rest I'm fine
03:18 < patspam> ah yeah, you maintain the dutch translation right?
03:18 < BartJol> glad that I was able to fix it
03:19 < BartJol> yup
03:19 < BartJol> but now I have the feeling I have to watch it
03:21 < BartJol> but tonight I had some beers with Martin and Joeri, so that made me feel fine already
03:21 < BartJol> how is it in didgeridoo-land?
03:21 < patspam> hah
03:21 < BartJol> rabbitty?
03:24 < BartJol> just wanna get rid of all vooroordelen
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04:01 < patspam> yes many rabbits and didgeridoos
04:55 <@perlmonkey2> I think I need a bigger hammer for Thingy.
05:19 < patspam> I thought thingy was the biggest hammer around?
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06:19 < CIA-39> WebGUI: patspam * r7522 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (109 files in 37 dirs): WebGUI_flux: merged r7414:7521 from trunk
06:36 < patspam> perlmonkey2: you still awake?
06:37 <@preaction> patspam, serious question: Yellow cake w/ chocolate frosting, brownies, or peanut-butter cookies?
06:38 < patspam> brownies all the way!
06:39 < patspam> mmmmm http://images.google.com.au/images?q=brownies
06:40 <@preaction> sounds good
06:40 <@preaction> they get chocolate frosting too
06:43 <+perlDreamer> peanut butter cookies sandwiches with nutella
06:44 <@perlmonkey2> patspam: here now
06:45 < patspam> I urgently need to ask you...
06:45 < patspam> Yellow cake w/ chocolate frosting, brownies, or peanut-butter cookies?
06:45 <+perlDreamer> perlmonkey2: Did you know that your state sales tax varies almost 2:1 across various municipiliaties
06:45 <@perlmonkey2> brownies al la mode
06:46 <@preaction> we're taking a poll now?
06:46 <@perlmonkey2> actually I like them in a bowl covered in milk.
06:46 <@preaction> wait, seriously?
06:46 <@perlmonkey2> absolutely
06:46 <@preaction> if i wasn't aversed to milk, that actually sounds pretty good
06:46 <@perlmonkey2> heh
06:46 <+perlDreamer> how about oatmilk?
06:46 <+perlDreamer> soymilk?
06:46 <+perlDreamer> ricemilk?
06:47 <@perlmonkey2> I'm getting ill thinking about it
06:47 <@preaction> nope, just the idea of it
06:47 <@perlmonkey2> oatmilk? What devilish creation is that?
06:47 <+perlDreamer> it's like soymilk
06:47 <@perlmonkey2> and how do you millk them?
06:47 <+perlDreamer> just a suspension
06:48 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: state sales tax is like 4.5% and then cities and counties can have their own. Counties usually have a fraction of a % and cities ~3-5%. Is that about what you're seeing?
06:48 <+perlDreamer> yeah. Some place has a 9% sales tax, though
06:49 <@perlmonkey2> my city has a 9.5% with state+county+city
06:50 <+perlDreamer> do you have property tax or income tax?
06:50 <@perlmonkey2> At first you might think that is outrageously high. But then realize the median income is $22K for a family of 4, so they have to rob the poor poeple to pay for standard services.
06:50 <@perlmonkey2> yes, property and income tax
06:51 <@perlmonkey2> although I live outside of city limits so my property is only like $1k/year
06:51 <@perlmonkey2> At my house in OKC, it was $1.8 for a similar house.
06:52 <+perlDreamer> wow
06:52 <+perlDreamer> That's similar to what I pay in Hillsboro
06:52 <@perlmonkey2> what are things like in your neck of the woods?
06:52 <+perlDreamer> We have property tax and income tax
06:52 <+perlDreamer> no sales tax
06:52 <+perlDreamer> Lots of people come from Washington to buy stuff here.
06:52 <+perlDreamer> I don't remember what the exact rates are
06:53 <+perlDreamer> Just when I go to the store, and it says $2.99 for something, that's what I pay.
06:53 < nuba> hah, perlmonkey2 is a hillbilly?!?! :D
06:53 <@perlmonkey2> OK is a poorer state, yet services cost roughly the same. So we get a higher percentage of taxes. Either that or our state gov is abnormally corrupt and inept. Wait, that isn't an either but an either/or
06:53 <@perlmonkey2> nuba: don't we have to have hills to be a hillbilly?
06:54 <+perlDreamer> He's an "Okie".
06:54 < nuba> now thats an old school perl hacker
06:55 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: I'd rather have sales taxes than income taxes. Consumption taxes are the way to go. Luckily it doens't matter which way is better, OK hedged their bets and went with both.
06:55 <+perlDreamer> Very proactive of them.
06:55 <+perlDreamer> In any case, the enlightened people of Oklahoma now have sales tax data for WebGUI Shop.
06:56 <@perlmonkey2> woot!
06:56 <+perlDreamer> And, if as many people from Oklahoma buy data as all the other states put together....
06:56 <@perlmonkey2> Only useful for Okies selling stuff to other Okies unless I miss my mark.
06:56 <+perlDreamer> Yes
06:56 <+perlDreamer> You can download data for other states, too, if you have affiliates/locations there
06:57 <@perlmonkey2> you putting that in the bazaar also?
06:57 <+perlDreamer> Yup
06:57 <+perlDreamer> http://www.plainblack.com/bazaar?func=byVendor;vendorId=v0OOiY9tIz7NndDlZi7afg
06:58 <@perlmonkey2> What made you go after OK next?
06:59 <+perlDreamer> You're there :)
06:59 <+perlDreamer> and it was easier than Arkansas
07:00 <@perlmonkey2> Hah. Do we have any data on WG commercial installations?
07:00 <+perlDreamer> JT said Nevada, Michigan, Ohio and someplace that I've forgotten.
07:00 <@perlmonkey2> Well that is depressing. Most of the state only has like a 1% city tax if that.
07:01 <@perlmonkey2> Oh, I bet those are all county zip.
07:01 <@perlmonkey2> s
07:01 <+perlDreamer> yep
07:02 <@perlmonkey2> I'm in 74820 and I'm pretty sure I pay ~9.5%, yet your data says I should only be paying 5.19%
07:03 <+perlDreamer> http://oktax.geo.ou.edu/cgi-bin/otc.cgi?ft=search&template=OTCCurrGeneralSearch.htm&vn=9
07:04 <+perlDreamer> The data is straight from the Oklahoma web site
07:04 <+perlDreamer> it doesn't go down to the zip+4 level
07:10 <+perlDreamer> preaction: are you around, or are you cooking?
07:10 <+perlDreamer> or both? :)
07:10 <@perlmonkey2> More importantly why can't the Combo box and selection slider spontaneously combust? I haven't seen a good bit burning in a while.
07:11 <+perlDreamer> Someone told me one of my chips caught on fire while they were testing it.
07:11 <+perlDreamer> No video, though
07:11 < nuba> spontaneous combustion sounds like spinal tap drumming thing
07:12 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: hah, you almost got me, but potato chips don't combust unless you have some seriously painful salsa.
07:13 <+perlDreamer> They combust if you put 35V DC across them
07:13 <+perlDreamer> and they're only rated for 6V
07:13 <+perlDreamer> He was convinced that he'd found a bug
07:13 <+perlDreamer> until I showed him the spec
07:13 <+perlDreamer> "Look, it's right here beneath the recommended dips."
07:13 <+perlDreamer> "Only 6V"
07:14 <@perlmonkey2> I bet he felt silly
07:14 <@perlmonkey2> Not looking at the recommended dips
07:14 <+perlDreamer> Yeah, everyone knows the only proper dips for potato chips are spinach, artichoke and sour cream and onion
07:14 <@perlmonkey2> He should at least redone the test for posterity (and youtube)
07:15 <+perlDreamer> Indeed :)
07:15 <+perlDreamer> But at $dayJob, they kind of frown on combustion.
07:15 <+perlDreamer> It's quite frustrating
07:15 <@perlmonkey2> Burning silicon must be a lot of fun.
07:15 <+perlDreamer> It stinks really bad.
07:16 <@perlmonkey2> Stinks? I don't think you should be breathing that.
07:16 <+perlDreamer> Probably not
07:16 <+perlDreamer> I'll be back in a bit
07:16 <+perlDreamer> I need a snack that won't cost me $20 to eat
07:16 <@perlmonkey2> getting a gas mask?
07:17 <+perlDreamer> If preaction comes back, tell him I need help with another Workflow/Instance bug.
07:17 <@perlmonkey2> aye aye
07:17 <+perlDreamer> so far, I've written about 25 tests, and found and fixed 3 bugs
07:17 <+perlDreamer> Not bad :)
07:20 <@perlmonkey2> You're on fire
07:20 <@perlmonkey2> Someone must have given you 35V
07:20 <@preaction> perlDreamer, sup
07:20 <@perlmonkey2> The last few hours I've just been flailing with the Thingy bugs.
07:20 <@preaction> got 15 minutes until brownies done
07:23 < CIA-39> WebGUI: patspam * r7523 /branch/WebGUI_flux/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.21-7.6.0.pl: WebGUI_flux: brownies all the way
07:23 < CIA-39> WebGUI: translation * r7524 /translations/Spanish/Spanish/ (6 files): Update from translation server
07:23 < CIA-39> WebGUI: translation * r7525 /translations/Spanish/notes.txt: Update from translation server
07:26 <+perlDreamer> preaction, what does isNew do in Workflow::Instance->new ?
07:26 <@preaction> dunno yet
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07:27 <@preaction> looks like it marks that the workflow instance has already started... for some reason...
07:28 <@preaction> ah
07:28 <+perlDreamer> so if isNew = 1, then it has already started?
07:28 <@preaction> isNew means it HASNT been started yet
07:28 <@preaction> if you look at where $self->{_started} is used in DESTROY, it starts it just in case
07:30 <@preaction> it seems... unnecessary and redundant
07:30 <@preaction> heh, it's there for new() for some reason
07:30 <@preaction> create() uses it
07:31 <+perlDreamer> so that it doesn't "autostart"?
07:31 <@preaction> no, isNew, if true, means it hasn't been started yet
07:31 <@preaction> so i assume it means that spectre doesn't yet know about it, whatever start() does
07:32 <@preaction> so new() without the isNew flag means you're getting an existing Instance
07:32 <@preaction> new() with the isNew flag should be deprecated in favor of create()
07:32 <@preaction> and create() shouldn't call new, it should bless itself
07:34 <+perlDreamer> I'll update the POD
07:35 <+perlDreamer> SquOnk has been busy hacking the Spanish translation.
07:35 <@preaction> sweet, i know a few people who want that
07:36 <+perlDreamer> really? who?
07:36 <@preaction> some pb customers with spanish sites
07:37 <+perlDreamer> i c
07:38 <@preaction> i suppose with wg8 coming up we should start leaving notes about which APIs need to be fixed / made sane
07:38 <+perlDreamer> eh, there's only a few ;)
07:38 <@preaction> then we're going to have to get tests for those methods so we can be sure we don't screw them up
07:39 <+perlDreamer> good luck finding someone to write those
07:39 <@preaction> i think there's a bunch
07:39 <@preaction> Paginator, for example, needs to be better and needs to work with YUI stuff
07:39 <+perlDreamer> I was going to spend a lot of time writing Activity tests. If I need to be concentrating on something else, all y'all need to do is let me know.
07:40 <@preaction> nono, workflow please
07:40 <@preaction> i'm just continuing my delusions of grandeur
07:41 <+perlDreamer> Please, delude on
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08:20 < CIA-39> WebGUI: WebGUI_flux: enable_flux.pl now intelligently handles wg config file updating so that we can revert to the std WebGUI.conf.orig
08:20 < CIA-39> WebGUI: - adds Flux content handler to contentHandlers section
08:20 < CIA-39> WebGUI: - adds WebGUI::Workflow::Activity::CheckFluxRules to Activities/None workflows section
08:20 < CIA-39> WebGUI: colin * r7528 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Instance.pm t/Workflow/Instance.t): backporting Workflow/Instance tests
08:20 < CIA-39> WebGUI: patspam * r7529 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (FLUX_README.txt enable_flux.pl): WebGUI_flux: updated docs
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15:47 < wgGuest49> hello
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17:56 < elnino> hi! we're trying to upload an mp3 file and when my client tried, an error about "server did not permit this" occurred. Is there a setting somewhere?
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19:12 < zylo> Greetings all :D
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20:40 < elnino> hi! we're trying to upload an mp3 file and when my client tried, an error about "server did not permit this" occurred. Is there a setting somewhere?
20:40 < elnino> sorry, if I missed any responses.
20:42 < zylo> Are you logged in as admin on webgui?
20:43 < zylo> And does he have permission with his user to upload?
21:07 < elnino> yes.
21:07 < elnino> and yes.
21:07 < elnino> they are admin.
21:13 < elnino> I'll go find a mp3 and try this myself.
21:23 < elnino> I uploaded a 3M mp3 just fine. so know I'm wondering if there is a size limit.
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21:35 < zylo> What size is it?
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01:22 < CIA-39> WebGUI: colin * r7536 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Internationalize the subject of emails sent for password recovery.
01:22 < CIA-39> WebGUI: colin * r7537 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (3 files in 3 dirs): backport i18n subject for password recovery emails
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01:45 <@perlmonkey2> anyone awake?
01:52 <@Haarg> yeah
02:13 <+perlDreamer> yup
02:14 <@Haarg> so this is interesting, i'm trying to graft together the cvs and svn history into one git repository
02:14 <+perlDreamer> awesome!
02:14 <@Haarg> not sure how well it's going to work so far
02:15 <@Haarg> i need to make sure i'm importing the cvs stuff correctly before trying it again
02:15 <@Haarg> it took something like 6-7 hours when i tried the first time
02:16 <+perlDreamer> I'm guessing that SF's pipe isn't the fastest.
02:16 <@Haarg> that, plus it's a lot of processing and network connections intermixed
02:27 <+perlDreamer> so who's the Slovenian hacker working on i18n?
02:27 <+perlDreamer> Does anyone know?
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03:37 < patspam> perlmonkey2: I'm awake!
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06:25 < elnino> hello!
06:25 < elnino> subscriptions are just user groups, right?
06:26 <@Haarg> yes
06:26 < elnino> does the whole group expire at once? or does each user expire independantly based on their "start date"
06:27 < elnino> I'm thinking each user...
06:27 <@Haarg> each user
06:27 < elnino> oh good! do you happen to konw the field in the Db that stores this?
06:28 <@Haarg> groupings.expireDate
06:28 < elnino> cool. thanks! That's it!
06:42 < CIA-39> WebGUI: colin * r7541 /branch/WebGUI_7.5/ (lib/WebGUI/AssetExportHtml.pm t/Asset/AssetExportHtml.t): backporting AssetExportHtml userId fix
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07:04 < elnino> is the subscription code, something you give a user, that they can enter upon "registration" to your site and be added to the subscription group?
07:05 <+perlDreamer> That sounds right
07:06 <+perlDreamer> Not necessarily upon registration, but they can go to the subscription asset and enter it in there to redeem it.
07:13 < elnino> ah. Ok. I don't see a subscription asset. but I think there was a macor or something that I saw somewhere.
07:19 <+perlDreamer> elnino, that would be 7.5.11 and higher
07:19 < elnino> oh.. ok. =)
07:19 <+perlDreamer> before then, Subscription is a Admin Console function
07:19 <+perlDreamer> which WebGUI are you using nowadays?
07:21 < elnino> I believe both sites are on 7.4.40
07:28 <+perlDreamer> How is the little Macro doing, elnino?
07:29 < elnino> mmm. my daugher? or am i supposed to be working on a macro? My brain is a little fried right now...
07:30 <+perlDreamer> I was referring to your daughter. She's not old enough to be an Asset yet.
07:31 < elnino> what?! she's priceless, she is definately an asset!
07:32 < elnino> she's growing so, she's been sleeping more. it's been interesting watcing her recently.
07:33 < elnino> she will put put a bowl, into a square container and put it on the table,
07:33 < elnino> but what is more interesting, is that sh'l make the same combinations with the same objects and line
07:33 < elnino> them up equi-distant from each other on the coffee table.
07:34 <+perlDreamer> she's cloning objects
07:34 < elnino> definately
07:35 < elnino> maybe she is a macro after all
07:35 <+perlDreamer> she can't do inheritance yet, so probably a macro
07:35 < elnino> recording everythign we do, that's for sure. she watches and listens well, and surprises us often when she repeats something.
07:40 < CIA-39> WebGUI: colin * r7542 /branch/colin-experimental/ (83 files in 34 dirs): merging with HEAD
07:40 < CIA-39> WebGUI: colin * r7543 /branch/colin-experimental/t/ (Mail Mail/Send.t): this test is missing in my branch, adding it
07:44 <@preaction> perlDreamer, how does that merging WORK for you?
07:45 <+perlDreamer> works fine
07:45 <@preaction> every time i do it, it comes up with a billion conflicts
07:45 <@preaction> what do you do?
07:45 <+perlDreamer> I keep a clean branch
07:45 <+perlDreamer> "I do one thing. I do it very well, then I move on"
07:45 <@preaction> i only ever add things, i never modify core things
07:45 <+perlDreamer> Can anyone name the TV show that quote comes from?
07:45 <@preaction> and still i get conflicts
07:45 <@preaction> no
07:46 <+perlDreamer> M.A.S.H.
07:46 <+perlDreamer> When Charles Emerson Winchester first comes on the show.
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07:46 <@preaction> radar?
07:46 <+perlDreamer> Nope.
07:46 <@preaction> i haven't watched enough mash
07:46 <+perlDreamer> Radar is Walter O'Reilly
07:47 <+perlDreamer> You have FIOS?
07:47 <@preaction> no, DSL
07:47 <@preaction> FIOS hasn't reached my area yet
07:47 <+perlDreamer> Well, it's on TV Land quite often if you need to catch up
07:47 <@preaction> i think TMRFE might have it in his collection
07:48 <+perlDreamer> He'd loan it to you
07:48 <@preaction> oh, oh oh oh oh oh he has farscape though
07:48 <@preaction> i might want that first
07:49 <+perlDreamer> The RFE list needs maintenance badly
07:49 <+perlDreamer> Some have been implemented already
07:49 <+perlDreamer> some are irrelevant now
07:49 <@preaction> yeah. we need that new request tracker for it :p
07:50 <+perlDreamer> lots of duplicates
07:50 <+perlDreamer> is that the same thing as the new bug tracker?
07:50 <@preaction> yeah
07:50 <+perlDreamer> Is the plan to go through the RFE list when the new tracker is added to PB.com?
07:50 <@preaction> it'd be nice if they were all in the same place really
07:51 <@preaction> i dunno
07:51 <@preaction> frank's doing it on his own time, so we've got a pool going for when it (if it) gets done
07:51 <@preaction> ;)
07:52 <+perlDreamer> He's committed a bunch of code already
07:52 <@preaction> i wonder if my DSL place will let me max out my speed. they said in the test that they got about 8meg throughput to the access point
07:52 <@preaction> yeah, he's really motivated on it
07:52 < elnino_laptop> what bug trackers areyou guys comparing to as far as determining what features the new bug tracker should have?
07:53 < elnino_laptop> I meant, what bug tracker software...
07:53 <+perlDreamer> elnino_laptop, I think that they've looked at RT, SF.net, Google and a few others.
07:53 <+perlDreamer> The biggest thing will be decoupling it from the CS.
07:53 <@preaction> all the big players: bugzilla, RT, the MS project thing, i suggested launchpad, there's one in particular Jt wanted but i can't remember it
07:53 <@preaction> moho or something
07:54 <+perlDreamer> I'd look at JIRA
07:54 <+perlDreamer> SusanB uses it. So do we at $dayJob.
07:54 <+perlDreamer> preaction: how do you deal with db schema changes in upgrade scripts?
07:54 <@preaction> i think the words were "Look at these. Don't do what these do."
07:54 <@preaction> except for that moho one
07:54 <@preaction> RT and Bugzilla were good examples of what not to do
07:55 < elnino_laptop> I'd look at JIRA too.
07:55 <+perlDreamer> If Atlassian open source JIRA, they'd put RT out of business.
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07:55 < elnino_laptop> what's RT?
07:55 <@preaction> Request Tracker
07:55 <+perlDreamer> Request Tracker, from Best Practical
07:55 <+perlDreamer> Jesse Vincent's perl company
07:55 <@preaction> a perl-based request tracker
07:56 < elnino_laptop> never heard of it. I live and breathe JIRA.
07:56 < elnino_laptop> I need to install it for my own use at home.
07:56 <+perlDreamer> From the user side, it's pretty nice.
07:56 <+perlDreamer> Never used it as a dev.
07:57 <@preaction> http://www.mojohelpdesk.com/ <- this one is the one JT likes
07:58 <@preaction> just the screenshots
07:58 <+perlDreamer> it's made by Metadot
07:58 <@preaction> the ease-of-use aspect mostly
07:58 <@preaction> Trac i think was another we were looking at
07:58 <@preaction> i <3 Trac
07:58 <+perlDreamer> Metadot makes the only other complete Perl CMS that I know of
07:59 <@preaction> really?
07:59 <@preaction> that mojo thing is RoR
07:59 <+perlDreamer> Yeah, you ever read the story of how I came to use WebGUI?
08:00 <@preaction> i have a vague recollection of the word metadot in there
08:00 <+perlDreamer> I spent months learning Metadot, and was almost ready to roll it out at my church
08:00 <+perlDreamer> and the week before I was ready to roll, they yanked the open source offering of Metadot
08:00 <@preaction> wow
08:00 <+perlDreamer> The community died within a few months
08:00 <+perlDreamer> They tried a fork, but it didn't take
08:01 <+perlDreamer> And it took me months more to find WebGUI
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08:01 <+perlDreamer> I emailed JT back and forth like 15 times, trying to gauge his commitment to open source, free software and community involvement
08:02 <+perlDreamer> and finally I was convinced it was safe to try
08:02 <+perlDreamer> and I've been here ever since
08:02 <@preaction> and we're eternally grateful that you are, let me assure you
08:03 <@preaction> which reminds me that i need to start going to more conferences and wearing webgui t-shirts
08:03 <+perlDreamer> Yes
08:03 <+perlDreamer> Or, going to more political gatherings and wearing a Che-T shirt
08:03 <@preaction> ... god that's still funny
08:03 < elnino_laptop> so does your church use webgui? I tried to convicne ours, but they hired a parttime programmer wanna be and he was conviced he would right something better.
08:04 < elnino_laptop> in coldfusion
08:04 <@preaction> elnino_laptop, that poor church... i once thought as he did (but in Perl)
08:04 <@preaction> if i had known about webgui, i wouldn't have tried
08:04 <+perlDreamer> elnino_laptop, then did for 5 years, but when we retired they moved it to something else.
08:04 <+perlDreamer> Although, they're thinking about going back...
08:05 < elnino_laptop> it's so feature rich.. I just don't get it. they wanted workflows and version control and everything..
08:06 <+perlDreamer> ekennedy on the forums is another church webmaster (and coder)
08:10 < elnino_laptop> I have default version tag workflow as "commit content immediately" but I still have to commit them. Do I need to set "automatically request commit" to yes as well? - I'm admin
08:10 < CIA-39> WebGUI: colin * r7544 /branch/colin-experimental/ (2 files in 2 dirs): add rfe: add url to assetHistory table
08:10 <+perlDreamer> elnino, that, and also skip comments
08:10 <+perlDreamer> it's the default in 7.5
08:10 <@preaction> perlDreamer, if you add that to 7.6.0, you should be fine as is. you have to upgrade to the latest 7.5 before you can upgrade to 7.6, that's how it is every time
08:11 <+perlDreamer> preaction, cool. So I can remove the db schema check before the write?
08:11 <@preaction> though, if we kept schema changes outside of the normal upgrade, we could run all of them before the upgrade happens
08:12 <+perlDreamer> yes
08:12 <+perlDreamer> we don't handle schema changes well right now
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08:12 <+perlDreamer> maybe we need schema scripts, as well as upgrade scripts
08:12 <+perlDreamer> is that what you're suggesting?
08:12 <@preaction> essentially, yes
08:13 < elnino_home> I'm going, wireless is going wacko. please kill off elnino_laptop.. Good night!
08:13 <@preaction> a long long while ago i proposed a more OO upgrade, something you could check isApplied or you could use in a more flexible way
08:13 <@preaction> but that's more work for the developer
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08:14 <@preaction> why didn't I use Class::Trait again? is it bad with mod_perl?
08:15 <+perlDreamer> I don't remember.
08:15 <+perlDreamer> That sounds right
08:15 <+perlDreamer> either that, or mixins is bad
08:15 <@preaction> why are mixins bad? in your opinion
08:16 <+perlDreamer> Uh, I mean either Class::Trait or mixins has problems with mod_perl
08:16 <+perlDreamer> problems with mod_perl == bad
08:16 <+perlDreamer> that's all
08:16 <@preaction> no, it looks like Class::Trait can't check @REQUIRED and such, it will just throw errors instead
08:16 <@preaction> which is fine
08:16 <@preaction> which means i should move to Class::Trait
08:18 <@preaction> it's definately better than mixin.pm, especially when the namespaces start getting cluttered
08:18 <@preaction> anyway
08:18 <+perlDreamer> so you think rev 7545 ought to be safe/
08:18 <+perlDreamer> ?
08:19 <@preaction> yeah, should be fine. just put in the gotchas that "you must upgrade to the latest 7.5 version before trying to upgrade to 7.6.0 or past
08:19 <+perlDreamer> if rizen gives the go ahead, I'll do that
08:19 <+perlDreamer> although, from recent emails, I think I'm free to go ahead and commit stuff
08:20 <@preaction> yeah, i'm thinking he's becoming more lenient with the core
08:29 <@preaction> so is having an i18n system for javascript as awesome as i think it will be? besides the immense amounts of extra work i've caused by building it?
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08:30 <+perlDreamer> as we move more into JS, it won't hurt
08:30 <+perlDreamer> that's for sure :)
08:30 <+perlDreamer> speaking of which, I still have to do my benchmarking
08:31 <+perlDreamer> but that will be tomorrow
08:31 <+perlDreamer> we older folk need our rest
08:31 <+perlDreamer> g'night preaction.
08:31 <@preaction> night
08:31 <+perlDreamer> and all other lurkers out there
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10:36 < patspam> anyone awake?
10:36 <@preaction> i am, unfortunately
10:36 < patspam> heh, awesome!
10:36 < patspam> I've got a fairly basic question about default templates
10:37 <@preaction> ok
10:37 < patspam> say you're creating a new skin for you wg site, and you create your own template for something, say an Article template
10:38 < patspam> and you want that template to be used as the default for all new Articles that your content managers add to the site
10:38 < patspam> can you do that?
10:38 <@preaction> make a prototype and remove the existing Article from the New Content pane by removing it from assets in the config file
10:38 < patspam> ahhhhh
10:38 < patspam> nice
10:39 < patspam> the other route, editing the "Default Article" would be bad right? because when you upgraded your site your changes might get wiped out by the new default template?
10:39 < patspam> (if it had been changed in that release)
10:40 <@preaction> right
10:41 < patspam> does seem a little bit hacky though
10:43 < patspam> I feel like wobjects would expose some sort of 'change defaults' interface... then again I suppose that's what prototypes are doing
10:49 < patspam> I guess the slick new Admin Console bar will make it easier to hide the original wobject too
10:50 < patspam> thanks for the tip, most appreciated!
10:51 < patspam> I'm orf for dinner :)
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23:29 < BartJol> quite dull here today...
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01:58 <@khenn> anyone know if it's possible to join multiple classes in the getLineage method
01:58 <@khenn> the code looks odd
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02:14 <@preaction> khenn, no, it's not
02:16 <@khenn> yeah I have an new plan
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07:18 <+perlDreamer> WRE 0.8.5 is out!
07:18 <+perlDreamer> And there was great rejoicing in the channel
07:23 <@tavisto> woop woop
07:23 <@tavisto> yeah uh... if that's great then I'd hate to see good
07:23 <@tavisto> preaction or apeiron should update the channel title so that it reflects the WRE 0.8.5
07:24 <@tavisto> perldreamer, I updated the webgui.org/download page so that people understand what stuff is a bit more
07:24 <@tavisto> I'm going to see about graphically adding some separation to the 3 download options as well
07:25 <@tavisto> probably wrapping each option in something like on the "learn" page so there's a bit of visual separation
07:26 <@tavisto> the old WRE installation instructions (that were modifiable) are now gone and the WRE install instructions are formatted a bit better. Still need to do something with the stuff that you type in... per SteveD's comments on the etc forums
07:30 <+perlDreamer> and we need a new VMware appliance
07:32 <@tavisto> aye, but that's not my dept :)
07:33 <@tavisto> someone just emailed me about it saying I need to check our profile.. doesn't make any sense but I'm going to find out what's up with it
07:38 <+perlDreamer> profile where?
07:42 <@preaction> tavisto, anyone can change the topic
07:42 <@tavisto> on vmware.com perlDreamer
07:42 -!- perlDreamer changed the topic of #webgui to: Brownies
07:42 <@tavisto> ah preaction, I figured as much but being that my l33t IRC skills were lost in like uh 96...
07:43 <@tavisto> when I gave up 0-day warez I basically lost the skillz
07:43 <@tavisto> ;)
07:43 <+perlDreamer> tavisto, you were a black hat?
07:43 <@preaction> using colloquy? there should be a nice easy way to change the topic like
07:43 <@preaction> perlDreamer, if consuming the warez counts, maybe ;)
07:44 <@tavisto> well I was an op back in the days of cobra and dalnet... then one of my buddies on the channel disappeared (later found out jail for being courier for class and Razor - two big groups back in the day)
07:44 <@tavisto> anyway, I decided it was not worth free software
07:44 <@preaction> noice
07:44 <@tavisto> yeeah
07:45 <@tavisto> but you're probably right.. colloquy probably has some flashy title changer
07:45 -!- perlDreamer changed the topic of #webgui to: Brownies with frosting ($20)
07:45 <@tavisto> keep in mind.. back in the day I had mandrake linux on one box and windows NT on another... script wars and channel takeovers were possible back then
07:45 <@preaction> ... and who will be supplying said brownies?
07:46 <@preaction> i've got Perl to code, no time to bake!
07:46 <+perlDreamer> preaction will, of course
07:46 <+perlDreamer> He made brownies last night
07:46 <+perlDreamer> There must be leftovers
07:46 <@tavisto> preaction is waiting for his perl to compile so he can
07:46 <@preaction> besides, i'm baking yellow cake now
07:46 <@preaction> i already ate all the brownies
07:46 <+perlDreamer> Dude
07:46 <@tavisto> uh isn't yellow cake a like uh bad thing to say on open channels
07:46 <+perlDreamer> You and your metabolism are entirely frustrating
07:46 <@tavisto> crap I just said it
07:48 <@preaction> oh no, i assume i'm going to be paying for this for a while now
07:52 <@tavisto> finished up the University of Minnesota Law School success story draft. Now hoping for minimal red tape
07:52 <@tavisto> *tavisto* crosses fingers
07:58 <+perlDreamer> They have to approve the story before it's released?
08:13 <+perlDreamer> Somebody bought some sales tax data.
08:13 <+perlDreamer> How the heck did that happen?
08:14 <@preaction> dunno, someone wanted to buy some?
08:15 <+perlDreamer> I guess that's allowed.
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08:44 <+Radix-wrk> don't tease us with the promise of brownies when you can't deliver pls :P
08:44 <@preaction> blame colin, not me
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16:45 < SDuensin> Greetings.
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18:12 <+cap10morgan> is there a webgui database checker script somewhere? makes sure all the right indexes are setup, all tables are MyISAM, good things like that?
18:12 <+cap10morgan> i'm having some crazy database performance issues lately
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18:17 <+cap10morgan> falling short of that, should the namespace_cachekey_size index on cache be indexing the namespace, cachekey, and expires fields or namespace, cachekey, and size like the name implies?
18:18 <@rizen> yes it should
18:18 <@rizen> no there isn't a script
18:18 <+cap10morgan> it should be indexing expires or size?
18:18 <@rizen> size
18:18 <+cap10morgan> interesting
18:18 <+cap10morgan> it's expires on all my sites
18:19 <+cap10morgan> well that could very well be all my performance issues right there
18:19 <@rizen> there probably should be one for both actually
18:19 <+cap10morgan> ok, so add a new one that does namespace, cachekey, size you think?
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18:19 <@rizen> i don't know i'd have to look at it
18:19 <@rizen> i'm just guessing here
18:19 <+cap10morgan> sure
18:20 <+cap10morgan> ok, i'll see if i can figure out how / if this is different from a newly deployed site in 7.5.22 and file a bug if so
18:21 < CIA-39> WebGUI: jt * r7548 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Session/Style.pm): Made the charset metatag the highest thing in the head block.
18:21 <@rizen> whatever it is that you have is probably what's on everybody else's sites too...so i'd look elsewhere for your problems
18:22 <+cap10morgan> oh, so when you said it should be indexing size, you weren't saying that my installation was totally messed up. you were just saying really, webgui should setup both indexes, but doesn't right now?
18:23 <@rizen> yes
18:23 <+cap10morgan> gotcha
18:23 <@rizen> i'm saying there's likely nothing screwed up on your table right now
18:23 <@rizen> or if it is, it's screwed for everybody
18:23 <+cap10morgan> ok
18:23 <+cap10morgan> hmm
18:23 <@rizen> and therefore isn't your problem
18:24 <@rizen> have you turned on slow query log on mysql yet?
18:24 <@rizen> if not, start there
18:24 <@rizen> it will tell you the problem 99% of the time
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18:25 <+cap10morgan> yeah, it's spitting out basically every query at this point
18:26 <@rizen> have you shut down your database and run a myisamchk -r *.MYI yet?
18:26 <@rizen> if not, do that
18:26 <+cap10morgan> no, will do that
18:26 <@rizen> you have to be in the database folder when you run that
18:26 <+cap10morgan> sure
18:26 <@rizen> cd /data/wre/var/mysqldata/www_example_com
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18:35 <+cap10morgan> it's fixing indexes
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19:04 <+perlDreamer> morning, everybody
19:08 <@preaction> morning
19:17 <@perlmonkey2> hello
19:19 <@rizen> you call this morning? it's practically noon you slacker. =)
19:20 <+perlDreamer> Someone has been buying state tax data. I'm now a business slacker.
19:21 <@rizen> really? i haven't seen an order for it go by
19:21 <@rizen> if you'd hurry up and put up wisconsin i'd buy that
19:21 <@rizen> even though we don't really need it...i'd do it just to be in conformance
19:21 <@rizen> compliance
19:21 <@rizen> whatever the word is
19:21 <+perlDreamer> I wouldn't sell you Wisconsin. You can have it for free.
19:22 <+perlDreamer> Bazaar says there have been downloads for Oklahoma and California.
19:22 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: there is a problem with your OK state data. You got it from an OK state agency, which obviously makes it wrong.
19:22 <+perlDreamer> my tax data isn't OK?
19:22 <@perlmonkey2> Not for OK
19:22 <+perlDreamer> ok, I'll see about fixing it.
19:23 <@rizen> perlDreamer....it tallys that if you download it or any of my staff download it as well
19:23 <@perlmonkey2> I don't know how you would fix that as even the OK state's data isn't OK.
19:23 <@perlmonkey2> OK this joke is no longer OK.
19:26 <@perlmonkey2> The latest bug is quite strange and *might* pose a security issue. The userId for that wgSession was 1. Anyone have any ideas?
19:36 <@Haarg> they logged out
19:38 <@perlmonkey2> Haarg: I checked ip's, and knowmad and faxioman have never used the same ones.
19:39 <@perlmonkey2> I also thought the 8.5wre woudl resolve the ap_get_server_banner() ... errors in modperl?
19:39 <@Haarg> i think it was just noted in the gotchas
19:39 <@Haarg> or something along those lines
19:39 <@rizen> pm2: no
19:40 <@rizen> the banner thing can only be fixed by going to apache 2.2
19:40 <@perlmonkey2> oh, right.
19:40 <@rizen> at least that's what it sounds like from the apache mailing list
19:40 <@rizen> and we wouldn't do something like change apache versions in a minor point release
19:44 <@perlmonkey2> No more hypothesis on how Visitor could have access to a users session?
19:44 <+perlDreamer> rizen: In that case, I'm still just a "regular" slacker then.
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20:03 <+perlDreamer> What's the "new, recommended" way to display a list of users as a form element? Form/Users?
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20:35 < khenn_> Form/Users lets someone choose a single user
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20:35 <+perlDreamer> thanks, khenn
20:36 <@khenn> I don't think there is a form control that allows you to display a list of users
20:37 <+perlDreamer> That's what I really meant (display a list so that one can be chosen)
20:37 <@khenn> ah then yes
20:37 <@khenn> Form/User
20:44 <+perlDreamer> Form/User won't let me specify a subquery though. I'll just use a selectBox
21:23 < topsub> How can i stop this from running.. http://pastebin.com/m18d8d38c
21:24 < topsub> its Filling up the logs like crazy
21:24 < topsub> Khenn you can pick a single user
21:24 < topsub> khenn it can not do a one to many list
21:25 <@khenn> right, I thought he was asking for something that allowed you to pick multiple users
21:26 < topsub> ah
21:34 <@perlmonkey2> Looks like wre8.5 has a mysql issue fixed for all new db's created, but existing db's still have a problem of their max_join_size being an unsigned value. Does this need to be corrected or should the mysql warning just be ignore?
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21:44 < Lisette> hello, i have a question about the cart
21:45 < Lisette> if i want change the post of the button "choose shipping address" how to do?
21:51 <@perlmonkey2> To fix this bug would break all the custom templates for Articles out there. What should be done?
21:51 <@perlmonkey2> http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/multiple-attachments-on-an-article-asset
21:51 <@bopbop> perlmonkey2: is the article asset supposed to have more than one attachment?
21:52 <@perlmonkey2> bopbop: you can add as many as you want.
21:52 <@bopbop> really
21:52 < Lisette> i want redirect the post of "choose shipping address" for another link, how to do?
21:52 <@perlmonkey2> bopbop: I just added two more to my Article
21:53 <@bopbop> Lisette: you can access the cart template- maybe you can change it there?
21:53 <@rizen> perlmonkey2: it's only supposed to allow one attached file and one image
21:53 <@bopbop> that's what I thought, rizen
21:53 <@bopbop> oh good
21:53 <@perlmonkey2> rizen: okay, then I'll correct the bug by only allowing a single attachment.
21:53 <@rizen> plus, it shouldn't allow any attachments going forward
21:54 <@rizen> we're going to make people attach stuff using the rich editor's attachment tools
21:54 <@rizen> pm2
21:54 <@rizen> no, what i'm saying is
21:54 <@rizen> it's not a bug
21:54 <@rizen> it works as expected
21:54 <@rizen> and as designed
21:54 <@rizen> it allows you to upload 2 files
21:54 <@bopbop> she should use File Pile if she wants more,right?
21:54 <@rizen> where one is a file and the other is an image
21:54 <@perlmonkey2> oh
21:55 <@perlmonkey2> then I'll just close the bug :)
21:55 <@rizen> bopbop: yes, either that or use the rich editor's attachment features to upload stuff to the media folder
21:56 <@perlmonkey2> rizen: i just uploaded my 3rd file.
21:56 <@bopbop> so there is a bug
21:56 <@perlmonkey2> But only one file and one image is shown.
21:57 <@bopbop> can you make the attachment fields stop displaying after two attachments are added?
21:57 <@bopbop> instead of continuing to add a new blank field? it's easy to see why she thought you could add many
21:58 <@perlmonkey2> yes, I'll look into it. Hope it isn't ajaxified.
21:58 <@rizen> pm2 it's very easy to limit it to 2 files
21:58 <@rizen> the form control has a param for that
21:58 <@perlmonkey2> nice
21:59 <@bopbop> rizen: what are the rich editor's attachment features? is it not in the default cm rich edit? or am I being dense and just not seeing it?
22:00 <@bopbop> collateral image manager?
22:00 <@rizen> there's one for images and one for files
22:00 <@rizen> yes collateral manager
22:00 <@rizen> although that's an outdated term for it
22:01 <@bopbop> ok, so the hover text over it should be changed eventually too
22:02 <@perlmonkey2> hmm, Article has maxAttachments at 25, yet it would appear to need to be 2.
22:03 <@rizen> yes it should be 2
22:03 <@bopbop> I don't see one for files, just images...
22:03 <@rizen> probably just a typo
22:03 <@rizen> bopbop...the one that looks like a tree
22:03 <@rizen> a file manager tree
22:03 <@rizen> so you can link to assets
22:04 <@bopbop> so how does that help them attach a file
22:05 <@bopbop> you're going to make them upload things they want to attach as file assets and then link through that?
22:06 <@rizen> well it will have to be updated so you can upload a file directly through it just like the image one does
22:06 <@rizen> i said eventually, i'm not making this change today
22:06 <@bopbop> oh, ok
22:06 <@rizen> but when we make the change, some stuff will have to be changed to accomodate it
22:07 <@rizen> but it makes a lot more sense to use a uniform system for uploads like that
22:07 <@rizen> than to build one for each asset
22:07 <@rizen> so you can attach stuff
22:07 <@bopbop> it does- the way you were referring to it made me think it was something available to use already
22:07 <@rizen> you can link it today
22:07 <@rizen> but you can't upload today
22:07 <@rizen> at least for files
22:07 <@rizen> only images can be uploaded right now
22:15 <@perlmonkey2> There is a bug about allowing assets to be added to assets that can't display them (articles added to articles). Is this really a bug and only pagelayouts or other assets which can show assets be allowed to have assets added to them?
22:17 <@Haarg> not a bug
22:18 <@perlmonkey2> Haarg: "It is up to the CM's to know which assets should be added where and there are sometimes reasons to make assets children of assets which can't display their children", sound good?
22:19 <@Haarg> sounds fine
22:20 <@perlmonkey2> rizen: If my wife lands a quest lecturer in Ukraine next year would there be any problem with me working from there?
22:20 <@rizen> nope
22:20 <@perlmonkey2> If you haven't fired me by then :D
22:20 <@rizen> as long as you can do what we ask of you from there, then no problem at all
22:21 <@perlmonkey2> sweet
22:21 <@rizen> perhaps you're finally catching on to the notion of how irrelevant "where" you work at PB is
22:22 <@perlmonkey2> Coolest gig ever.
22:26 <+perlDreamer> perlmonkey2, there's another template for displaying multiple attachments in an Article
22:27 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: Just eyeballing the code, it looks like there are no template arrays to fill out that data.
22:28 <+perlDreamer> line 299, Asset::Wobject::Article
22:31 <+perlDreamer> PBtmpl0000000000000207 <-- that's the template that uses it
22:32 < Lisette> how to do to change the post of the button pay of the cart?
22:33 <+perlDreamer> Lisette, that's an internationalized label
22:34 <+perlDreamer> In namespace: Shop, label "choose shipping button"
22:34 <+perlDreamer> If you don't like that, then use the online Help to tell you which variables are available in the Shopping Cart template, remove the labels that you don't like, and hardcode the text
22:36 < Lisette> yes, but i have to change the post of the button
22:36 <+perlDreamer> Lisette, that requires a lot of JS and HTML work in the template.
22:36 <+perlDreamer> That's about as far as I have traced it.
22:37 < Lisette> ok, thanks
22:38 < Lisette> i think that this was in the code
22:39 <+perlDreamer> It is. WebGUI/Shop/Cart.pm
22:39 <+perlDreamer> method: www_view
22:40 < Lisette> thanks
22:44 < topsub> i am trying to get the lastest edits from these asses and this isn't getting what i expect. Anyone take a sec and see if i am missing something? http://pastebin.com/m1698c90f
22:44 < topsub> Connecting the EMS, asset and assetData table
22:45 < topsub> it does seem that the revisionDate from the EMS is different from assetData.. is that normal?
22:45 <+perlDreamer> no
22:46 <+perlDreamer> I think you also have to join assetData and the EMS table on revisionDate
22:46 < topsub> hmm i believe i am
22:47 < topsub> line 5.. ad.assetId = ems.assetID
22:47 < topsub> wait.. did i misunderstand what you meant?
22:47 < topsub> oooo
22:47 < topsub> i see do a connection on RevisionDate
22:49 <+perlDreamer> yeah. ad.revisionDate=ems.revisionDate
22:52 < topsub> do i need to group on revisionDate then?
22:56 < topsub> here i am hardcoding for this one asset where i am expecting only 1 result but i get 25.. am i missing something? http://pastebin.com/m2f7fef17
22:59 <@perlmonkey2> if you are trying to limit on the max rev date, shouldn't that be in your where clause?
23:00 < topsub> hmm believe max is done by the SELECT
23:03 <@perlmonkey2> are there 25 assetData rows with that revisionDate?
23:03 < topsub> We have multi EMS in the system and we want to pull all of them but with the lastest revision
23:03 < topsub> seems like it pm2
23:03 < topsub> let do me sql query really quick
23:03 <@Haarg> http://pastebin.com/m7fd74734
23:04 < topsub> yep there is
23:04 <@Haarg> should probably have a check on status in the subselect actually
23:05 < topsub> haarg, like status = approved?
23:06 <@Haarg> yeah
23:07 < topsub> wow thanks a ton haarg.
23:08 < topsub> why is the reason we had to do subseleects like that vs just equals?
23:09 <@Haarg> you need to limit to just the row corresponding to the max revisionDate
23:09 <@Haarg> there's no way to do that without a subselect
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23:12 <+perlDreamer> topsub, are you going to help out with RFE day?
23:12 < topsub> what do you mean?
23:13 < topsub> like try and improve stuff?
23:13 < topsub> or give feedback?
23:14 < CIA-39> WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7551 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Article.pm): Article now only allows two files to be uploaded.
23:14 <+perlDreamer> like implement RFEs
23:14 < topsub> i can surely try
23:15 <+perlDreamer> here's what to do
23:15 <+perlDreamer> Pick an RFE that has been rated that you want to work on.
23:15 <+perlDreamer> Post back to the RFE saying that you're working on it
23:16 <+perlDreamer> when it's done, grab a hold of a PB guy (most likely rizen) and let him know it's done. Just to double check that it's core approved.
23:16 <+perlDreamer> then commit it
23:16 <+perlDreamer> They've set aside the whole day tomorrow for it
23:16 < topsub> ah.. if i ever can break free from knowmad work
23:16 < topsub> got deadlines wednesday
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23:29 < topsub> Is there a bug with datetime not saving still? We seem to be having trouble within the EMS saving the DateTime
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00:07 <@perlmonkey2> in Shop, the only way to affect shipping price is through the Shipping Methods right? Individual products can not have shipping costs directly attached to them, only modifiers?
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00:08 <+perlDreamer> If a Sku does not have its isShippable method=1, then it won't have shipping applied to it
00:08 <+perlDreamer> that's the only way
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00:27 <@perlmonkey2> I was working on the no international chars in URLS bug and I can't even enter in Chinese chars in a Title or Url. And the failure is not graceful at all. It creates a bugged version.
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04:43 < elnino> hello! I have wre. 084, and everyonce in a while, site slows down, and then I get an email that modproxy is down and can't be restarted, and then the next email says it's been restarted. Is there a way for me ot "up" the error logs to see what may cause this?
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04:56 < elnino> I just installed the additional cpan mod per 084 errata maybe that will help..
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05:47 <+Radix-wrk> upgrade to 0.8.5?
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05:58 < elnino> was there a fix for modproxy going down? I didn't see anything in the release notes.
06:16 <@preaction> depends on what's in the error log
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06:19 < elnino> which I had a bunch of:
06:20 < elnino> Killed 0 Apache/mod_perl processes that were using too much memory.
06:20 < elnino> Apache/mod_proxy reported down. Starting critical monitor.
06:20 < elnino> Apache/mod_proxy on localhost is down and could not be restarted.
06:20 < elnino> in wremonitor, and in mod_proxy:
06:20 < elnino> child process 7185 still did not exit, sending a SIGTERM
06:21 < elnino> and stuff about session cache, but that was in the release notes. - maybe that is what caused it?
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06:22 < elnino> my mod perl looks the same, a bunch of child process still did not exit. I think those errors occured when I was trying to shut down the machine. VERY non responsive. never saw such a slow machine.
06:24 <@preaction> wremonitor couldn't hit the mod_proxy server, so it decided to kill it to see if it would restart
06:24 <@preaction> wremonitor gives something like 15 seconds or 30 seconds for the server to respond by default
06:24 <@preaction> that's set in wre/etc/wre.conf under... hang on
06:25 <@preaction> "apache" : "connectionTimeout"
06:27 < elnino> so the question is why after a while, does the system slow to a halt, and then I get these messages? I don't recall having issues before, but then again, Ididn't have wremonitor running either. hmm. I also noticed that I have only 256K and I think you guys recommend 512 minimum.
06:39 < elnino> hmmm. it did it again.. This is getting frequent.
06:49 <@preaction> maybe turn on the slow_query_log for mysql to figure out where a slowdown is?
06:49 <@preaction> is the server swapping? that's usually bad
06:50 <@preaction> or perhaps running a backup?
06:54 < elnino> oh yeah, backups. yep, thats about that time. So that's probably what it is now.
06:58 < elnino> right now it's not swaping, but I'll look next time.
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06:59 < elnino> do you recommend a good reporting tool that logs memory usage? and sends out reports on the health of the system? memory usage, bandwidth, etc.
06:59 <@preaction> what we do is prevent wremonitor.pl from running during backups time
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06:59 <@preaction> mod_status might be to your interest
06:59 < elnino> that's probably a good idea. =)
07:00 < elnino> I suppose that assumes i"M using wre's backup script as opposed to myown?
07:00 <@preaction> not necessarily, preventing the wremonitor from running is done by editing the crontab entry
07:00 <@preaction> like 0-23 (don't run wremonitor 23-24 when backups are running)
07:00 <@preaction> or something
07:01 <@preaction> 0-4,6-24
07:01 <@preaction> etc...
07:01 < elnino> ah. sure, got it. Thanks
07:04 < elnino> ok, this looks bad to me, am I right?
07:04 < elnino> total used free shared buffers cached
07:04 < elnino> Mem: 256 245 10 0 1 17
07:05 <+Radix-wrk> only got 256Mb mem huh? :)
07:05 < elnino> I'm using 245 of memory?
07:05 < elnino> Yep.
07:05 < elnino> I know, recommeded is 512, right?
07:05 <+Radix-wrk> yah
07:05 < elnino> that's dedicated.. peak probaby 1G
07:05 < elnino> but I'm not swapping. =)
07:05 <@preaction> yeah, that's pretty bad
07:06 <@preaction> do you have any swap?
07:06 <+Radix-wrk> there's some things you can do to optimise your apache/mysql for 256Mb mem
07:06 <@preaction> yeah, reduce MaxClients StartServers and MinSpareServers
07:06 <@preaction> maybe make the mod_proxy instance use MPM_Worker instead
07:06 <+Radix-wrk> and mysql cache
07:06 < elnino> according to vmstat, no, not at this time.
07:06 <+Radix-wrk> elnino: using a vps?
07:06 < elnino> yes.
07:06 <+Radix-wrk> same as me :)
07:07 <@preaction> initializing a half-gig of unused disk space as swap might help you, it'll be slow as snails but it won't give OOM errors (it might be a tossup for which is worse)
07:08 < elnino> I haven't gotten any OOM errer yet. Just 500 error when the site goes down and mod_proxy can't be reached.
07:09 <@perlmonkey2> preaction: thanks for getting back to those 'sites are down' requests.
07:10 <@preaction> np, i figured we didn't want to appear asleep at the switch, even if it was showing "Maintenance" and not actually down
07:17 < elnino> I've been googling around. Looks like I can't have a swap partition on a vps server, is that right?
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07:28 < elnino> preaction: do I add the mod_status to the modproxy file or the mod_perl file?, I'm assuming mod_proxy.conf file.
07:29 <@preaction> modproxy.conf yeah
07:29 <@preaction> something like
SetHandler status or something
07:33 < elnino> oh. looky, it's already there!
07:33 < elnino> you guys think of everything.
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07:35 < CIA-39> WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7551 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Article.pm): Article now only allows two files to be uploaded.
07:40 < elnino> hm. do I have to setup the /server-status as a passthru?
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07:49 <@preaction> elnino, probably yes
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08:02 <@tavisto> anyone know if valuecms is operates out of Egypt? I think it does...
08:02 <@tavisto> -is
08:05 <@tavisto> nevermind.. found out it does through a subsidiary company website
08:20 < elnino> preaction. oh good grief, you'd think that would be simple
08:21 <@preaction> new url handlers?
08:21 < elnino> I unfortunately missed that workshop. I wanted to go.
08:21 <@preaction> add a line to the "urlHandlers" block: "^/server-status" : "WebGUI::URL::PassThru"
08:21 < elnino> my webgui.conf file didn't have passthru handlers.
08:21 < elnino> so I had to add them
08:21 < elnino> my modproxy files says I don't have permissiont to view server-status
08:22 < elnino> I have another install of apache, I'm wondering if that is conflicting
08:22 <@preaction> in your Location block you need "Order allow,deny" and "Allow from all"
08:22 < elnino> I do.
08:22 < elnino> well. no.
08:22 <@preaction> look in the modproxy error log, it should say something about "Client denied by server configuration"
08:22 <@preaction> or, what does it say?
08:22 < elnino> yep. and it specifies 8081
08:23 < elnino> so then I thought I needed to specify a port in the location directive and it didn't like that.
08:23 < elnino> I have Allow from 127.0.0.1
08:23 < elnino> I'll change it to all to see if it even works.
08:30 < elnino> you can look at the wiki I wrote to see exacty what I did: http://www.plainblack.com/community-wiki/enabling-mod_status
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10:07 < CIA-39> WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7551 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Article.pm): Article now only allows two files to be uploaded.
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10:48 < BartJol> morning
10:50 < patspam> morning :)
10:51 < BartJol> good evening to you
10:51 < patspam> heh that's ok, I'd rather pretend it was still morning
10:51 < patspam> then i could still entertain the idea that i was going to get some work done today
10:52 < BartJol> :)
10:52 < BartJol> well, we'll be at work for another 8 hours, so feel free to join
10:53 < patspam> heh yeah, RFE day!
10:53 * patspam eats a piece of stale carrot cake
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16:09 < SDuensin> Greetings.
16:10 < BartJol> Morning
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16:27 < BartJol> MrHairgrease: you scared Vrby
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16:27 <@perlmonkey2> Woohoo RFE day!
16:28 <+MrHairgrease> I wish it was for me
16:28 <+MrHairgrease> it's get your project finished day over here...
16:29 <@perlmonkey2> patspam: you around?
16:29 <@perlmonkey2> MrHairgrease: isn't that everyday?
16:29 < patspam> barely..
16:29 < BartJol> mm, something wrong with the carrot cake?
16:30 < patspam> heh no, just going on midnight, that's all ;)
16:30 <@perlmonkey2> patspam: You should move Australia to a more reasonable time zone :P
16:30 < patspam> I'm working on it..
16:31 < patspam> something about "the cows won't like it"
16:31 <@perlmonkey2> No, I was speaking more tectonically.
16:31 <@perlmonkey2> :P
16:32 <@perlmonkey2> BartJol: You brought carrot cake and aren't sharing?
16:32 * MrHairgrease already sees the headlined
16:32 <+MrHairgrease> "WebGUI developer causes worldwide Tsunami"
16:33 < BartJol> perlmonkey2: no, patrick was eating a stale one,, not sure where he got it
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16:35 < patspam> Bartjol: out of my fridge =p
16:35 < patspam> how it got in there, i don't know
16:44 < SDuensin> Any of you guys do design work? Any recommendations for something WYSIWYG?
16:44 < BartJol> yeah, last night I flew up and down to Australia to put a stale carrot cake in your fridge, you caught me there
16:44 * SDuensin is tired of hand-editing CSS.
16:45 <+MrHairgrease> SDuensin should use firebug
16:45 < BartJol> well, you can extend the tinyMCE with more style control
16:45 < BartJol> but CSS can be more precise
16:45 < SDuensin> I'm talking about a tool for doing the general site theme.
16:46 < BartJol> dunno about that
16:46 * SDuensin is looking at Freeway at the moment. Looks cool.
16:47 <@preaction> SDuensin, i've heard good things about quanta+ and bluefish (i think that's what it's called)
16:48 <@preaction> though i'm not sure how they perform really, since i'm a purist
16:50 < SDuensin> Yea, I was a purist, too, until I realized it takes me hours to lay out a site. Did one yesterday in 10 minutes using iWeb. Now I want that power with WebGUI.
16:51 <@preaction> it'd be a wonderful RFE
16:51 < SDuensin> Ya think? :-P
16:52 <@preaction> YUI has a application called Grid Builder, a little throwaway thing they created, but it would be nice for a theme editor
16:52 < SDuensin> You ever use iWeb? I was half tempted to start hacking the output it creates to "WebGUIize" it.
16:53 < SDuensin> It's so easy. :-)
17:00 <@preaction> isn't iweb pluggable?
17:00 <@preaction> and no i haven't used it. wysiwyg has been dead to me since dreamweaver MX
17:00 <@rizen> patspam damn it!!!
17:02 < SDuensin> preaction - Dunno if it is or not. My 5 minutes looking into it didn't find anything.
17:02 < SDuensin> This Freeway looks like iWeb for grown ups. :-)
17:02 < SDuensin> rizen !
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17:02 <@rizen> patspam, you do realize that the RFE day is *not* for submitting RFE's, it is for clearing out RFE's
17:03 <@rizen> i got 10 new RFE requests since midnight
17:03 * patspam slaps forehead
17:03 <@rizen> 6 of which are from you
17:03 <+MrHairgrease> may rizen should put in an rfe for a rfe day rfe blocker
17:03 < SDuensin> Does he have enough karma to matter?
17:04 <+MrHairgrease> i guess jt creates karma if he needs it
17:04 < patspam> won't that lead to inflation?
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17:05 <@RfeSlasherMcGurk> creating karma out of thin air doesn't get me anything since i'm not included in the karma economy
17:05 <@RfeSlasherMcGurk> other than karma just costing me real $$$
17:05 <@RfeSlasherMcGurk> karma is a great thing for the community, but a bad thing for JT's wallet
17:06 < SDuensin> Poor JT.
17:06 <@RfeSlasherMcGurk> woe is me
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17:07 <+MrHairgrease> I'll ask Cone to send you fruit basket
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17:12 <@perlmonkey2> Are people marking RFE's they're working on?
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17:14 <@preaction> they better be
17:14 <@preaction> i know colin reserved a few
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17:21 < BartJol> well in this way, RFE day will be memorable as the day the great WebGUI dictator arose... (thinking of JT as Charly Chaplin...)
17:25 <@preaction> the UN UN-JTed the world
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17:28 <@tavisto> bopbop, I looked at the "Meta Data Possible Values RFE" and that appears to be solved by the new keyword functionality in meta data.
17:28 <@bopbop> it does- go ahead and note that in the reply and close it
17:28 <@tavisto> They are saying like if someone comes to the site and has assets that use a keyword like "install"
17:28 <@tavisto> they would come up in WebGUI search
17:28 <@bopbop> yep
17:29 <@tavisto> alrighty
17:29 <@bopbop> but, the assets need to be edited
17:29 <@bopbop> to apply that keyword
17:29 <@tavisto> exactly
17:29 <@bopbop> ok
17:29 <@bopbop> close it
17:29 <@tavisto> in fact we need to do that on several of the webgui.org content as well :)
17:29 <@bopbop> yep
17:29 <@tavisto> that was a recommendation at the town hall
17:29 <@bopbop> maybe today
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17:29 <@tavisto> aye!
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18:04 <@RfeSlasherMcGurk> rfe--
18:09 <@perlmonkey2> That was fast Slasher
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18:18 <+MrHairgrease> perlbot rfe
18:18 < perlbot> Chris62vw needs to add convenient factoid addition features to you
18:31 <@RfeSlasherMcGurk> rfe--
18:31 <@perlmonkey2> ckotil: line 251 in 7.5 or 7.6. 7.6 would through an exceptoin
18:32 <@perlmonkey2> So would 7.5
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18:34 < ckotil> ah nice
18:34 <+perlDreamer> RFE day!
18:34 < ckotil> awsome!
18:34 <@tavisto> w00p w00p
18:35 <+perlDreamer> tavisto, you have to do at 3 RFEs today
18:35 <@tavisto> perlDreamer, that's fine.. You don't get to do RFEs though... you get to fix SHOP bugs!!! muwhahaha
18:35 <+perlDreamer> there _are_ no Shop bugs, oh Market-enhanced one
18:35 <@tavisto> j/k, I'm not even sure there are any. :)
18:37 <+MrHairgrease> tavisto: how could there be any? You do know who made the new shop do you?
18:38 <@tavisto> yeah.. it was that crazy martin guy...
18:39 <+MrHairgrease> and those crazy colin and jt guys
18:39 <@tavisto> I've heard some rumors about him... legend has it he does not have blood flowing through his veins but rather.... german lager
18:39 <+MrHairgrease> don't buy the rumours
18:39 <+MrHairgrease> there not true per se
18:40 < BartJol> it's not *german* lager
18:44 < BartJol> but have a nice RFE day everybody, unfortunately, I'll miss the rest
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18:52 <+perlDreamer> RfeSlasherMcGurk, I have this RFE ready for commit. http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/cancel-button#FxJ9teR8WSp9Cg8dHIYelQ You cool with it?
18:52 <+perlDreamer> adding a cancel button to the edit profile field form
18:54 <@RfeSlasherMcGurk> egg salad, please feel free to commit
18:54 <@RfeSlasherMcGurk> i'll close
18:55 <+perlDreamer> I'm planning on 3 RFEs today, as time permits
18:55 <+perlDreamer> Can't let you guys have _all_ the fun
18:55 <@RfeSlasherMcGurk> only 3?
18:55 <+perlDreamer> Although so far, I'd say Haarg has had the most fun, turbo charging the Macro processor
18:55 <@RfeSlasherMcGurk> i've already done 3
18:55 <@RfeSlasherMcGurk> totally going to beat you
18:55 <@RfeSlasherMcGurk> =)
18:55 <@RfeSlasherMcGurk> yes he has...damn it
18:55 <+perlDreamer> That's okay
18:56 <+perlDreamer> It only makes the macro-ification of template i18n all the better
18:59 <+perlDreamer> meeting, be back in an hour...
19:04 <@RfeSlasherMcGurk> rfe --
19:08 < nuba> so i would like to engage in a hardcore discussion of the philosophy behind the current desig of the webgui API and current class hierarchy decisions
19:09 < nuba> just kidding, happy RFE day, cant join but enjoying it anyway!! rock on guys!
19:11 <@RfeSlasherMcGurk> perlMonkey2: no more adding RFE's to 7.5
19:11 <@RfeSlasherMcGurk> not even a back button
19:11 <@perlmonkey2> whups
19:11 <@perlmonkey2> That was stupid wasn't it.
19:11 <@perlmonkey2> RfeSlasherMcGurk: want me to roll back those changes?
19:12 <@RfeSlasherMcGurk> this one is fine...just not again
19:13 <@RfeSlasherMcGurk> perlmonkey2: after you add an RFE close it
19:14 <@perlmonkey2> RfeSlasherMcGurk: I don't have permissions to close.
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19:21 <@RfeSlasherMcGurk> ok perlmonkey2 perlDreamer dionak and topsub can all close rfe's and bugs now
19:21 <@RfeSlasherMcGurk> anybody else ?
19:28 <@apeiron_> RfeSlasherMcGurk, /me
19:28 < topsub> is there a way i can shove the DBH ( from site 1 ) into the session getting called ( from site 2 ) so when i use the webgui API it looks at the database link ( from site 1 ) instead of the current site?
19:28 <@apeiron_> Oh, wait, I can, never mind.
19:28 <@RfeSlasherMcGurk> apeiron, all pb staff can now close
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19:29 < topsub> I am using the Database handle to get data from another site but when i call the webgui API it uses the session which is looking at the current site instead of the DBH.
19:30 <@bopbop> tavisto: I'm going to start going through wg.org to assign metadata keywords
19:31 <@RfeSlasherMcGurk> topsub why would you want to do such a frankensteinish manuever
19:31 <@RfeSlasherMcGurk> do you just wish to open a database handle to site2 from site1? if so, you don't need to shove it into the session
19:32 <@RfeSlasherMcGurk> you can either directly open it using a WebGUI::SQL object, or you can create a database link and use that using the WebGUI::DatabaseLink API
19:32 < topsub> well i have assetID's from site 1 and i need to get more information from the database about the assetIDs but when then api is called it using site 2
19:32 < topsub> its a macro built to pull information out of the database
19:32 < topsub> but now we need to use this macro on another site
19:33 < topsub> and pull the same information but we have to pull the information from site 1
19:33 <@tavisto> alright bopbop
19:33 <@tavisto> I'll join you very shortly
19:34 < topsub> so it seems i will have to rewrite it to use the DBH on site 2
19:35 <@RfeSlasherMcGurk> yup
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19:44 < dionak> thanks JT
19:45 <@RfeSlasherMcGurk> it's RfeSlasherMcGurk to you
19:46 <+MrHairgrease> To me JT's still cuddly teddy bear
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19:53 <@perlmonkey2> Okay, stupid question, but where is the link to close an RFE?
19:53 <@apeiron> perlmonkey2, In the box at the top.
19:54 <@perlmonkey2> Okay, then I don't have permissions to close RFE's, the cache isn't showing me the correct page, or I'm an idiot.
19:54 <@apeiron> perlmonkey2, It's the sixth row in that top box.
19:54 <@apeiron> perlmonkey2, Sure you're logged in?
19:54 <@perlmonkey2> Heh, yep
19:54 <@perlmonkey2> Difficulty is my 6th row
19:55 <@apeiron> Okay, that's what I see when I'm not logged in.
19:55 <@perlmonkey2> Yeah, I just flipped admin on and off to make sure.
19:55 < dionak> is it possible to redirect a user to a certain page upon account activation? i want to prompt them to purchase an optional subscription
19:56 <@RfeSlasherMcGurk> perlmonkey2 you are in both groups that have the privileges to see that
19:57 <@RfeSlasherMcGurk> so if you're not seeing something, then it's a bug that i hereby assign you to resolve. =)
19:57 <@perlmonkey2> hah, I bet it is just cached
19:59 <+perlDreamer> dionak, there's a redirectUrl defined in the system somewhere
19:59 <+perlDreamer> you can find it in auth
19:59 <+MrHairgrease> dionak: $session->scratch->set('redirectAfterLogin, 'url');
20:01 < dionak> looking to see if that can be part of the form or if i have to write custom. trying to avoid custom code.
20:01 <@perlmonkey2> MrHairgrease: and that would just be in the macro for the registration page?
20:01 <@perlmonkey2> in
macro, I mean
20:01 <+MrHairgrease> i dunno what the macro for the registration page is
20:01 <+MrHairgrease> oh
20:01 <+MrHairgrease> no idea
20:01 <+MrHairgrease> but it's trivial to create one
20:02 < dionak> there's also a runOnRegistration option that looks interesting
20:02 <@perlmonkey2> because you don't want them being prompted after every login, just the first registration. So in the registration page, include a tiny macro that simply sets the scratch like you say.
20:02 <+MrHairgrease> pm2: after login the scratch var will be cleared automatically
20:02 <@perlmonkey2> That certainly sounds pertinent
20:03 <+MrHairgrease> dionak: that's a workflow trigger
20:03 <+MrHairgrease> you cannot redirect users with that
20:03 <+MrHairgrease> anyway gotta go
20:03 < dionak> ok, that makes sense...looking at auth.pm. i see that
20:03 <@perlmonkey2> hasta MrHairgrease
20:03 <+MrHairgrease> have fun clearing up the rfes
20:03 <@perlmonkey2> more fun that storming castles
20:04 <@perlmonkey2> s/that/than
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20:05 <@perlmonkey2> Anyone else want to close this RFE for me?
20:05 <@perlmonkey2> http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/add-back-to-site-option-after-commiting-a-version-tag?op=switchOffAdmin
20:07 <@perlmonkey2> Can I alter Form/* so that a flag can be passed toHTML to make them be red and bolded?
20:08 <@Haarg> can't you just add a class using extras?
20:08 <@apeiron> perlmonkey2, It's closed, though someone else got to it before I did.
20:08 <@preaction> or a flag in WebGUI::Form::Control's definition?
20:09 < Bernd_> Help! Is it possible the community wiki is being locked at the moment?
20:09 < Bernd_> I am unable to create a new page-
20:09 < Bernd_> I receive the following error message:
20:09 < Bernd_> Permission Denied! This Asset is locked for editing under a version tag different from the one that you are using.
20:09 <@preaction> Bernd_, try it now
20:09 <@perlmonkey2> Haarg: I thought it should be part of the RFE so that when a form item is reshown do to not being filled out correctly, it could stand out.
20:10 < Bernd_> preaction: Working again! Thanks.
20:10 <@Haarg> 'highlighted in red' just seems like an odd thing to have in the forms api
20:11 <+perlDreamer> use a subtext indicator, like a red asterisk following the form field
20:11 <+perlDreamer> or an exclamation point
20:11 <@perlmonkey2> yeah, was just going to say a red star
20:11 <+perlDreamer> or a picture of Captian Barky, ohhh, he's such a salty dog
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20:12 <@tavisto> the other thing I've seen is the the form field is highlighted in a different color. The asterisk would work though as well
20:13 <@perlmonkey2> The problem is that Auth createAccountSave doesn't appear to have a good way to pass in failed fields to createAccount. So what, pass in a new param with an array of fields to mark up?
20:13 <@tavisto> not red, but usually it's a blue, yellow, etc.. to make it stand out.
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20:15 < wgGuest21> hello
20:15 <@perlmonkey2> hello wgGuest21
20:15 < wgGuest21> I have a problem in upgrading webgui :(
20:16 < wgGuest21> I'm at version 7.4.14 and tried to upgrade to 7.4.40
20:16 < wgGuest21> but the update script thinks I'm at 7.4.3
20:16 < wgGuest21> so it fails
20:16 < wgGuest21> WRE 0.8.5
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20:19 < wgGuest21> can anybody help me? :(
20:21 <@preaction> wgGuest21, does the webguiVersion table in mysql say 7.4.3?
20:22 < wgGuest21> If I go to the admin panel then Statistics it says I'm on 7.4.14
20:22 <@preaction> what does the webguiVersion table in mysql say?
20:22 < wgGuest21> and also the changelog reflects that
20:23 < wgGuest21> mmh how can I check that?
20:23 <@preaction> open mysql and look at the webguiVersion table in your site's database?
20:24 < wgGuest21> I don't know how to do that with the terminal :/
20:24 < wgGuest21> I got no GUI at the moment
20:24 < wgGuest21> Is there a command I can use?
20:24 <@khenn> mysql -u -p
20:24 <@preaction> man mysql
20:25 < wgGuest21> ok I'm in
20:26 < wgGuest21> what do I enter after that khenn :)
20:26 <@khenn> select * from webguiVersion;
20:27 < wgGuest21> thanks!
20:27 < wgGuest21> wow it really says that last upgrade is 7.4.3 how can this be :((
20:27 <@preaction> wgGuest21, because you updated your codebase to 7.4.14 but never ran upgrade.pl
20:28 < wgGuest21> mmh I must have done that, because when I run it now the script fails at some point when it's adding the Events table (for the Calendar I guess). It fails because it's already there
20:29 <@preaction> then it must have failed there before, or failed before there before.
20:30 < wgGuest21> what can I do now?
20:31 <@preaction> restore from a backup before the failed upgrade?
20:31 <@preaction> try to reconcile the failed upgrade by running the individual subs one at a time?
20:31 < wgGuest21> no I can't really do that, that point is from a year ago
20:33 < wgGuest21> how can I do that? I copy over the 7.4.40 as written in the wiki but instead of running the upgrade script I manually run each sub script?
20:33 < wgGuest21> for example 7.4.3-7.4.4
20:34 <@preaction> no, you manually run each subroutine in the 7.4.3-7.4.4 upgrade. those are the only subs that need to be done like this
20:34 <@preaction> because some got run, some didn't.
20:34 <@preaction> the ones that got run can't get run again, so you need to edit the upgrade script to prevent that
20:35 < wgGuest21> and how do I know which parts to edit?
20:35 <@preaction> you're a Perl programmer (or at least can read Perl) and can tell which subs have already run by what the subs do and checking to see that it happened
20:36 < wgGuest21> I'm no perl programmer :(
20:37 <@khenn> you didn't back up your database before you tried to upgrade?
20:37 < wgGuest21> yes I