--- Log opened Fri Aug 01 00:00:53 2008
00:06 < KC2QBU> What if I want to access the website via a different port, 15000.  What do I need to change besides adding Listen 15000 in /data/wre/etc/modproxy.conf?
00:07 <@preaction> there's a "webServerPort" in the WebGUI config file you'll probably have to change
00:08 <@preaction> you'll probably have to change something in the spectre config file too, to tell it where to get to WebGUI
00:09 < KC2QBU> so I'd have to use either the default or 15000, but not both?
00:09 < KC2QBU> reason being locally it's fine, just my ISP blocks webserver ports
00:10 <@preaction> i think webServerPort just determines what port WebGUI uses when it makes URLs
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00:16 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: Did you trick me into taking the setToEpoch bug?  
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00:22 < perlDreamer> who? /me?
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00:48 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: you wouldn't happen to remember if the subscription yui datetime chooser returns unix time or not?
00:48 <+perlmonkey2> epoch time?
00:49 <+perlmonkey2> Because it looks like the it is expecting a formatted date string instead of an epoch time.
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00:50 < perlDreamer> yup
00:50 < perlDreamer> that's the bug
00:50 < perlDreamer> it's being sent an epoch time
00:51 <+perlmonkey2> which must be coming from the YUI date pickers?
00:52 < perlDreamer> Form/DateTime
00:52 <+perlmonkey2> or is there a way to Form to check if it needs to be changed?
00:52 < perlDreamer> the interface to the Form has always been epoch
00:52 < perlDreamer> so it should probably always translate
00:52 < perlDreamer> but epoch is distinct from set time
00:52 < perlDreamer> \d+ vs word based
00:53 <+perlmonkey2> then I don't see how this bug was introduced.  Form::DateTime was changed to pass in an epoch?
00:53 <+perlmonkey2> to the setToEpoch method?
00:53 < perlDreamer> no, it always passed in an epoch, the bug was introduced when the YUI date pickers were used instead of the old ones
00:53 < perlDreamer> old JS date pickers wanted an epoch
00:54 < perlDreamer> new YUI date picker wants a set time
00:54 <+perlmonkey2> The error is showing an epoch time.  Is that not what is being returned from the new YUI date picker?
00:55 < perlDreamer> Isn't the error, "I got this: {epoch_date}, that isn't a set time.  Using current time instead.' ?
00:55 <+perlmonkey2> yes
00:56 <+perlmonkey2>  WebGUI::Session::DateTime::setToEpoch[921] - Could not format date 1217540842 for epoch.  Returning current time
00:56 < perlDreamer> right.  It _is_ an epoch, it wants to get a set time
00:58 <+perlmonkey2> the problem looks to be Form::DateTime which regexs for an epoch type and then if it finds and epoch types, calls setToEpoch.
00:59 < perlDreamer> I can buy that
00:59 <+perlmonkey2> setToEpoch ties to use DateTime::Format::Strptime::parse_datetime which takes a string formatted date.
01:00 <+perlmonkey2> This is all very confusing as I'm only guessing at desired behavior.
01:02 <+perlmonkey2> So we want this instead: $dt = DateTime->from_epoch( epoch => $epoch ); 
01:04 <+perlmonkey2> which should change anything except remove the error in the log.  Well I guess setToEpoch returns $self->time() now when it should be return the time in form param.
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01:25 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: okay, if ^\d+$ is true, shouldn't we just return that, as it is probably an epoch?
01:42 < CIA-6> WebGUI: chrisn * r7134 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Text.pm t/Text.t): 
01:42 < CIA-6> WebGUI: Fixed: splitCSV and joinCSV had issues with complex CSV data. They now use
01:42 < CIA-6> WebGUI: Text::CSV_XS internally.
01:43 < perlDreamer> apeiron++ for tests
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01:43 < estiven> Hi
01:46 < estiven> I have the id of a collaboration system and i need to know the ids of all post in it.
01:46 < estiven> can i get it from webgui db?
01:46 < estiven> who tables can i use?
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05:56 < perlDreamer> Haarg: are you close to release?
05:56 < perlDreamer> a new release of WebGUI?
06:00 <@Haarg> haven't really started on it.  i was sleeping for a while actually.
06:01 < perlDreamer> I'm sorry if I woke you
06:02 < perlDreamer> I'll commit and close this bug quickly then.
06:03 <@Haarg> nah, i just happened to wake up.
06:03 <@Haarg> i meant to get up anyway
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06:04 < perlDreamer> It's in
06:04 < perlDreamer> I'll hold off any commits until after you give the all clear
06:05 <@Haarg> it'll be a while, so if you have stuff go ahead and do it
06:11 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r7135 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 4 dirs): produce valid HTML in the Auth screen
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06:25 < perlDreamer> you're working late dionak
06:25 < dionak> hey there. yes...it is getting late
06:25 < dionak> so are you. 
06:25 < perlDreamer> It's only 8:30 on the west coast
06:27 < dionak> oh, i didn't realize you were west coast
06:27 < dionak> california?
06:28 < perlDreamer> I live near Portland, Oregon.
06:28 < perlDreamer> In Hillsboro, where Intel is.
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06:30 < KC2QBU> Howdy!
06:30 < dionak> hey
06:30 < perlDreamer> Howdy.  What does KC2QBU mean?
06:30 < dionak> perlDreamer, are you going to the wuc this year?
06:30 < perlDreamer> Oh yeah
06:30 < perlDreamer> I'm giving two talks
06:30 < KC2QBU> perlDreamer: Do you know what Ham Radio is?
06:31 < perlDreamer> Yes, but I thought handles were shorter than 6 characters
06:31 < perlDreamer> I have a friend who is W7HOW
06:32 < KC2QBU> perlDreamer: Depends on the country.  6 characters or less.  In the US, all calsigns in the past 15 - 20 years have been 6 chars.
06:32 < dionak> great, pd. i'll see you at the wuc. i'm going to call it a night here. have a great evening
06:33 < dionak> look forward to your talks. 
06:33 < perlDreamer> good night dionak
06:33 < KC2QBU> gn dionak
06:34 < dionak> gn
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06:36 < KC2QBU> perlDreamer: the US is split up into sections NY is a 2, PA is 3, New England area is 1, 4 is the East Coast, 7 is Texas I believe and so on.  Depends on how many Hams in that area that determines how high the characters go.
06:36 < perlDreamer> I see.
06:38 < KC2QBU> I've only been a Ham for 2 years now, their issuing the calls int KC2Txx range now. Almost KC2Uxx.
06:38 < perlDreamer> That's a lot of new hams
06:39 < KC2QBU> yep, since they dropped the code on all license levels, it's becoming a little more popular.
06:39 < perlDreamer> that's the morse code requirement, or another one?
06:40 < KC2QBU> plus a lot of digital modes to work with that appeal to a lot of people in the computer firld
06:40 < KC2QBU> Yep, morse code
06:41 < KC2QBU> There's even a way to hook up a GPS to a ham radio and transmit your position and telemetry info over the air.
06:41 < perlDreamer> cool
06:41 < KC2QBU> you can look up your position on the internet and track other hams on the web with google maps.
06:43 < KC2QBU> plus chatting and sending e-mails over the radio.  Basically it's a 1200 baud modem on both ends.
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06:45 < KC2QBU> There's a lot of different avenues you can take.  Lots of different aspects to Ham Radio
06:47 < KC2QBU> I'll still haven't figured out how to add port 15000 to the ports that wre listens.
06:47 < perlDreamer> I think if you search the forums, you'll find it
06:48 < KC2QBU> I searched, but didn't see anything.  I'll reword it in the search, again.
06:48 < perlDreamer> maybe I saw it in the wiki
06:52 < perlDreamer> KC2QBU: try this google search: custom port WRE webgui
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06:56 < KC2QBU> I found this when I was searching, but it's an older version and the files don't match.  http://www.webgui.org/install/upgrade_help/customising-wre-to-work-with-vservers#k2y2TQOfVEK2G76QsL5UZQ
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07:08 <@Haarg> perlDreamer, it's looking more and more like there won't be a release tonight
07:08 <@Haarg> charter's network in madison is all messed up or something
07:09 < perlDreamer> oh, that's not good
07:09 < perlDreamer> A little delay is okay with me
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08:16 < CIA-6> WebGUI: patspam * r7136 /branch/WebGUI_flux/lib/WebGUI/ (Inbox/Message.pm Flux/Admin.pm Flux.pm):
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15:27 < lrobinson> hello
15:28 < lrobinson> is it safe to upgrade from 7.4.39 to the latest version of 7.5?
15:28 <@preaction> depends on what your definition of safe is
15:29 < lrobinson> i noticed the comment in the gotchas about not being able to use the beta if you've gone past 7.4.21
15:30 <@preaction> there is now an upgrade from 7.4.40 to 7.5
15:30 < lrobinson> so would it be better to get 7.4.40 first?
15:31 <@preaction> not better, manditory
15:31 < lrobinson> all right, thanks
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15:58 <+perlmonkey2> good morning
16:02 < SDuensin> Morning.
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16:11 <+perlmonkey2> Anything in the smoketests look serious?
16:11 <+perlmonkey2> Shelf or EMS?
16:12 < dionak> i've got a test to commit for the ems. tickets aren't committing...not sure why. it could use a second eye
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16:15 <+perlmonkey2> dionak: tickets aren't committing?  You can't purchase them?
16:15 < dionak> i think it's just a matter of figuring out how to do it in the test. 
16:17 < dionak> i've just run out of time this week to look into it..
16:17 <+perlmonkey2> dionak: I'm not sure what your trying to do.  
16:17 < dionak> just added it. it's EventManagementSystem.t
16:17 < dionak> take a look and you'll see. i added an ems, then tried to add tickets and ribbons. 
16:18 < dionak> once i do that, i call getBadges and am not getting back what is expected.
16:19 <+perlmonkey2> test 14?
16:19 <+perlmonkey2> and 18
16:20 <+perlmonkey2> and 22
16:20 < dionak> yes on all counts
16:22 <+perlmonkey2> and you're seeing the same problem when you manually do this?
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16:33 < CIA-6> WebGUI: dionak * r7137 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/EventManagementSystem.t: Adding non-mech test
16:35 <+perlmonkey2> dionak: getLineage is failing.  Looks like the badges being created don't have an EMS in the DB.
16:35 < lrobinson> preaction: 7.5.18 installed - thanks
16:36 <+perlmonkey2> dionak: no, that is wrong.  They do.  So then why is getLineage failing (or is it?)
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16:41 <+perlmonkey2> dionak: :D  I found it.
16:42 <+perlmonkey2> dionak: try @$badges
16:42 <+perlmonkey2> scalar $badges probably just returns the location.
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17:24 < dionak> oh, sweet! thanks perlmonkey2
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17:26 < kurios63> AFternoon all
17:26 < BartJol> afternoon
17:26 <@tavisto> howdy
17:27 < dionak> perlmonkey2, did you get a sql error when you ran the test? Unknown column 'badgeAssetId'
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17:28 <+perlmonkey2> dionak: yeah
17:30 < dionak> looks like a bug, possibly from EMSBadge.pm. not sure which table tho
17:30 <+perlmonkey2> dionak: that is the call to getRibbons which is also a getLineage call.  
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17:30 <+perlmonkey2> why do you think it is in EMSBadge?
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17:31 < dionak> just from doing a grep -r badgeAssetId lib/*
17:32 <+perlmonkey2> so that would have to be in the constructor?
17:32 <+perlmonkey2> getLineage would only be insantiating them right?
17:33 < dionak> not sure about it being in the constructor. i would think getLineage would only be instantiating.
17:33 < dionak> the last thing done in the test is purge
17:34 < dionak> i'm thinking it's happening there b/c it looks like the 22 tests pass
17:34 <+perlmonkey2> Yeah, I just put in a finished print.
17:34 <+perlmonkey2> The DB is in the purge.
17:35 <+perlmonkey2> I think there was a smoketest failure in EMS purge
17:35 <+perlmonkey2> also
17:35 < dionak> cool. that would be the last thing for this initial test.
17:39 < dionak> i'm working on a release for end of day so i won't be able to update the purge method
17:41 <+perlmonkey2> okay I'll see if I can track that down real fast.  Shouldn't be too hard.
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17:42 < perlDreamer> apeiron: tests went boom :(
17:42 < perlDreamer> Can't locate auto/Text/CSV_XS/error_diag.al
17:46 < perlDreamer> testEnvironment.pl says it's okay
17:51 < perlDreamer> reinstalling Text::CSV_XS fixes that
17:51 < perlDreamer> but something needs to be put into the gotcha file
17:51 < perlDreamer> I thought it might just be me, since I don't run the WRE
17:51 < perlDreamer> but the nightly tests on plainblack.com failed, too
17:52 < perlDreamer> 0.52 seems to work okay
17:52 < perlDreamer> but the 0.26 in the testEnvironment.pl is questionable
17:53 <+perlmonkey2> dionak: okay, purge test passes.
17:53 <+perlmonkey2> ci now
17:55  * perlDreamer goes to a 4 hour meeting
17:56  * perlmonkey2 fears for perlDreamer.  Who could survive such a meeting?
17:57 < dionak> thanks perlmonkey2!
17:57 <+perlmonkey2> dionak: de nada :)
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18:21 <+perlmonkey2> Can someone look at Form::Date.pm lines 139 and 140 and tell me why if the value is =~ /^\d+$/ Session::DateTime::setToEpoch would be called on it?  setToEpoch is looking for a formatted string datetime to turn into an epoch time.
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18:28 <@Haaarg> looks rather broken
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18:32 <+perlmonkey2> Haaarg: since we're expecting a epoch value returned, I'll just have the $value returned if it is nothing but digits.
18:33 <+perlmonkey2> but if getDefaultValue is undef, the current logic would have time() returned.  I've left that in also.
18:33 <@Haaarg> are we?  i thought it was trying to format it as a mysql value
18:34 <@Haaarg> other areas in that file use epochToSet, which i think was the intention
18:36 <+perlmonkey2> Well I'm not sure what it is supposed to return.  I don't think it ever returned undef as setToEpoch returns time() if it can't parse the input.
18:39 <@Haaarg> ok, yeah.  it needs to return an epoch time
18:39 <@Haaarg> but it will also need to account for time zone
18:40 <@Haaarg> might be best to just change it to use WebGUI::DateTime for that
18:40 <+perlmonkey2> okay
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18:45 <+perlmonkey2> Haaarg: since this is a form input, will a time zone be available?  Or will WebGUI::DateTime use the webgui instance timezone?
18:46 <@Haaarg> it would need to convert from the user's time zone
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19:08 <@rizen> apeiron: please hook up perlmonkey2 with permanent op status
19:08 <@apeiron> rizen, Okie.
19:08  * perlmonkey2 immediately abuses his power.
19:09 <@rizen> and snapcount should have permanent voice status
19:09 <@rizen> he was a people behind webgui
19:09 <@apeiron> They need to ident to nickserv for the access.
19:09 <@apeiron> I can't do anything about that.
19:09 <+perlmonkey2> Haaarg: I've been looking through the different date-ish modules and it looks like what I should do is find the user
19:09 <@apeiron> perlmonkey2, If you rejoin you should see your +o
19:09 <@rizen> oh...he has an account, he just must not have logged in for some reason
19:10 <+perlmonkey2> s timezone, use that to convert to local epoch and return it?
19:10 <@rizen> snapcount is such a people behind webgui that he actually created our irc channel
19:10 <@apeiron> ha, wow
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19:11 <@apeiron> There we go.
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19:12 <@Haaarg> that may be the best way to handle it
19:13 <@Haaarg> looks like ::DateTime's handling of user time zones is kind of convoluted as well
19:13 <@perlmonkey2> Haaarg: yeah I was thinking it might be an oppurtunity to add somefunctionality to DateTime.
19:14 <@Haaarg> if there was something like newFromUserTimeZone, or just having that as a parameter to new somehow
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19:14 <@perlmonkey2> maybe cloneFromUserTimeZone ?
19:15 <@Haarg> well, you could use that
19:15 <@perlmonkey2> All dates in the DB are UTC?
19:16 <@perlmonkey2> add the method cloneFromUserTimeZone and then grab the UTC value to insert?
19:16 <@Haarg> or wait, you mean create that?  i don't think that would work
19:16 < SDuensin> Hi guys.  Trying to set up a merchant account for use with WebGUI.  Does WebGUI store any cardholder data?
19:16 <@perlmonkey2> wait.  I could just use cloneToUserTimeZone  I wouldn't need a from.
19:16 <@Haarg> ::DateTime already has a time zone attached to it
19:17 <@Haarg> yeah, but to do that you would need ::DataTime->new($s)->cloneToUserTimeZone->epoch($e)->cloneToUserTimeZone->epoch
19:17 <@Haarg> or something equally silly
19:17 <@Haarg> err
19:17 <@Haarg> cloneToUTC for that second part
19:18 <@perlmonkey2> so, too silly to use?
19:19 <@Haarg> seems like it would be preferable to just have a simple way to create a ::DateTime using the user's time zone
19:21 <@perlmonkey2> return DateTime->new(epoch=>$epoch, time_zone => $self->session->user->profileField("timeZone"));  would seem to do it?
19:23 <@Haarg> well, you'd want to return a WebGUI::DateTime
19:27 <@perlmonkey2> which is a subclass of datetime, so I should be able to do the same thing to WebGUI::DateTime?
19:27 <@Haarg> i think that should work - if you add a $session
19:31 <@perlmonkey2> hmm, looking at WebGUI::DateTime I don't think I'll be able to do it my way and your way is better.  As for simplifying it, I guess I could change new to take an optional second param which is a timezone?
19:33 <@perlmonkey2> oh duh, WG::DateTime takes DateTime new params.
19:35 <@Haarg> ->new will accept a time zone
19:36 <@Haarg> but there isn't currently a way to specify to use the user's time zone
19:36 <@Haarg> whether that was done in ->new or a different sub doesn't seem too important to me
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20:10 < perlDreamer> SDuensin, wG does not store card data
20:11 < SDuensin> Thanks, perlDreamer - I read the code and kinda figured that.  Whew.  No PCI issues to worry about!
20:11 < perlDreamer> no
20:20 < perlDreamer> apeiron: which version of Text::CSV_XS do you have installed?
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20:33 <@apeiron> perlDreamer, 0.52 for the WRE.
20:33  * apeiron will bbl
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20:35 < perlDreamer> okay, so it sound like all we need to do is update testEnvironment.pl to say 0.52 instead of 0.26
20:35 < perlDreamer> does the WRE ship with 0.52?
20:36 <@perlmonkey2> Haarg: no less silly than yours, but it saves having to create at least 1 new instance.
20:36 <@perlmonkey2> return WebGUI::DateTime->new($self->session,$value)->set_time_zone($self->session->user->profileField("timeZone"))->cloneToUTC->epoch();
20:37 <@perlmonkey2> DateTime has the set_time_zone method, so would it be redundant to add this into WebGUI::DateTime?
20:37 <@Haarg> where are you putting that?
20:37 <@perlmonkey2> Form::Date
20:37 <@perlmonkey2> getValue
20:37 <@perlmonkey2> if the value =~ /^\d+$/
20:38 <@Haarg> i was thinking you could add something in WebGUI::DateTime that does the WebGUI::DateTime->new($self->session,$value)->set_time_zone($self->session->user->profileField("timeZone")) part
20:39 <@perlmonkey2> WG::DateTime->new looks a little....busy.  I'm hesitant to mess with it.  But if you want a new set of logic in new, now problem.
20:39 <@perlmonkey2> s/now/no/
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21:07 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r7143 /WebGUI/ (sbin/testEnvironment.pl docs/gotcha.txt): 
21:07 < CIA-6> WebGUI: Document that WebGUI now requires Text::CSV_XS version
21:07 < CIA-6> WebGUI: 0.52.
21:40 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: if you have a sec could you help me understand how the subscription dates get submitted as string formatted dates but in getValue in form::date they are epoch (which should be utc)?
21:41 < perlDreamer> perlmonkey2, I can try.
21:42 <@perlmonkey2> there is no way the yui is timezone aware.  So how/where is it being converted to epoch?
21:42 < perlDreamer> Can you walk me through where you are, to get me up to speed?
21:42 <@perlmonkey2> okay, I'm working with a subscription asset 
21:42 <@perlmonkey2> just to get date form submissions.
21:43 <@perlmonkey2> subscription sub www_listSubscriptionCodes has $session->form->date
21:43 <@perlmonkey2> form date has getValue
21:43 <@perlmonkey2> the value passed in to getValue is an epoch.
21:44 <@perlmonkey2> how did it get turned into an epoch and is it utc or the user's timezone (which would make it not really and epoch).
21:45 < perlDreamer> I have no idea about the timezone.
21:45 < perlDreamer> Does the warning come on loading the page, or hitting the search button?
21:45 <@perlmonkey2> I think both
21:46 <@perlmonkey2> I'd have to revert a lot of debug code to make sure.
21:46 < perlDreamer> in the definition sub for Form/Date, it uses $session->datetime->time()
21:47 <@perlmonkey2> which I'm going to hazard a guess is epoch + local time offset for the user?
21:47 < perlDreamer> needs to be traced
21:48 <@perlmonkey2> I'm dubbing this the nightmare bug.
21:48 < perlDreamer> it needs a test
21:48 <@perlmonkey2> needs something working before it can be tested.
21:48 < perlDreamer> well, yes and no.  I see your point.  A test is usually quicker than page loads and stuff, and it would prevent this from happening later.
21:49 <@perlmonkey2> wait, that is actually epoch
21:49 < perlDreamer> yes, defaultValue is in epoch
21:49 <@perlmonkey2> so it defaults to epoch.  
21:49 < perlDreamer> if no value is passed in, or if no defaultValue is assigned to the form
21:50 <@perlmonkey2> so what is submitted should also be UTC, since the users can not change time values, so there can't be any uncertainty as to which timezone they mean.
21:51 < perlDreamer> the new standard for working with dates is UTC, and everything in MySQL format
21:51 < perlDreamer> stored in the db as MySQL format, that is
21:51 < perlDreamer> but Form::Date has to work with legacy code, so it also has to deal with epoch times
21:52 <@perlmonkey2> well it looks jacked and I don't even really know where to start and I've been digging around it all day.
21:53 <@perlmonkey2> should form::date::getValue assume an epoch is utc when passed in?  or assume it is quasi-epoch set to a users local timezone?
21:55 <@perlmonkey2> I think it should assume UTC since epoch should always be in UTC.
21:55 < perlDreamer> UTC, but then we have to run cross tests on the Calendar.  This would be a good time for preaction to chime in.
21:56 <@perlmonkey2> that sure would make things easy as anything matching \d+ could simply be returned.
21:57 <@preaction> that depends, is it getting the epoch in UTC? when you use DateTime to make it more descriptive, does it match your local time? or does it match your local time converted to UTC?
21:57 <@preaction> we're using the YUI Date Control now, we weren't before, when the Calendar was written
21:58 < perlDreamer> How did you handle that in the calendar?
21:58 < perlDreamer> Or are you saying that the Calendar is borked?
21:58 <@preaction> i believe that the old Date thing assumed it was UTC, so i left that broken
21:59 <@preaction> the new code that gets run when the defaultValue is a MySQL-formatted date assumed the current user's time zone and converted to UTC
22:00 < perlDreamer> So, for Form::Date (and DateTime), we're assuming that it's always passed a UTC date, whether in MySQL format, or in epoch?
22:01 < perlDreamer> and Form::Date should handle converting it to the user's timezone, from their profileField
22:01 <@preaction> no. if it is going to return an epoch, it assumes UTC throughout (and no TZ conversion gets done)
22:01 <@preaction> if it is going to return a MySQL date, it assumes it was given the user's time zone and converts to UTC
22:01 <@preaction> at least, that's how it was last I knew
22:02 <@preaction> you should see it as WebGUI::DateTime->new( mysql => ..., time_zone => $session->user->profileField( 'timeZone' ) ); or something
22:02 <@preaction> oh, shit, Date and Time don't have a timezone conversion, because it's incomplete
22:03 <@preaction> but DateTime does timezone conversion, because it's complete
22:03 <@preaction> Date can't, because there's no time.
22:03 < perlDreamer> complete = deals with time _and_ daet
22:03 < perlDreamer> okay
22:03 <@perlmonkey2> so session::date line 140 should just return $value and line 149 should convert that string to utc epoch?
22:03 <@preaction> Time can't because what happens when we go past 0:00 either forward or backward? we'd have to change the date, and we can't because we don't have one
22:05 <@perlmonkey2> although converting line 149 to epoch would be for time 00:00:00
22:05 <@Haaarg> sorry for throwing you off with that earlier perlmonkey2, i wasn't really thinking about it hard enough
22:05 <@preaction> we're looking at WebGUI::Session::DateTime now?
22:05 <@perlmonkey2> no, line 149 wouldn't do anything as that is mysql formatted and should just return the mysql format.
22:06 <@perlmonkey2> Haaarg: oh, no worries.  It hadn't occurred to me that epoch should always be in utc yet.
22:06 <@perlmonkey2> So to fix Form::Date line 140 just needs to return $value  
22:07 <@preaction> if $value is an epoch, yes
22:07 <@preaction> so the YUI Calendar makes an epoch date?
22:07 <@Haaarg> no, i think it uses mysql format
22:09 <@preaction> perlmonkey2, it might be you'll have to make sure that $value is an epoch and not a mysql datetime there
22:10 <@perlmonkey2> preaction: looks like it already tests as well as can be testing by matching for ^\d+$
22:10 <@preaction> though you might want to try to just return $value and see what happens, i think it might be getting both at one point or another
22:10 <@preaction> see what $value is though? it's $self->SUPER::getValue which may or may not be $self->get("value")
22:10 <@perlmonkey2> And DateTime::getValue looks like it handles mysql formatted correctly 
22:11 <@Haaarg> the idea should be it accepts either epoch or mysql, and outputs based on the default value's format
22:11 <@perlmonkey2> if (!$self->get("defaultValue") || $self->get("defaultValue") =~ m/^\d+$/ || !$self->get("value") || $self->get("value") =~ m/^\d+$/) 
22:11 <@perlmonkey2> That should only be an epoch value right?
22:11 <@preaction> yes
22:12 <@preaction> but that has nothing to do with the return value of the SUPERclass's getValue sub
22:12 <@perlmonkey2> cool, then we can just return $vlaue in that case and then the else looks like it handles mysql formatted perfectly
22:12 <@perlmonkey2> oh
22:12 <@preaction> you can pass getValue a value and it will use that, otherwise it tries to get it from the form
22:12 <@preaction> so as Haaarg said, the YUI date picker returns it mysql style, and if the control wants it as an epoch, you need to use setToEpoch
22:13 <@preaction> but if I pass in an epoch to getValue, now I have an epoch, and if I want an epoch back, I can't call setToEpoch on it
22:13 <@preaction> so yes, I'm with perlDreamer in this needs to be tested for all four possibilities
22:13 <@Haaarg> bleh, looks like i have to make a custom version of the tinymce spellchecker
22:14 < perlDreamer> right, write a test
22:14 < perlDreamer> then this never happens again
22:14 <@preaction> 1) Epoch in, Epoch out. 2) Epoch in, MySQL out. 3) MySQL in, Epoch out. 4) MySQL in, MySQL out.
22:14 < perlDreamer> how does it ask for epoch/MySQL out?
22:14 <@preaction> that's the code perlmonkey2 posted above
22:14 < perlDreamer> sorry, I have 3/4 of my brain wrapped around transistors and resistors today
22:15 <@Haaarg> if the default value matches mysql's format
22:15 <@preaction> if you set the "value" or "defaultValue" property to a MySQL-formatted date (or rather, to NOT an epoch date)
22:15 <@Haaarg> and the input looks like an epoch
22:15 <@preaction> or rather, to NOT a number
22:15 <@preaction> that should probably be changed to use Scalar::Util qw( looks_like_number )
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22:38 <@perlmonkey2> if $self->SUPER::getValue is from the form, what is $self->get('value') from?
22:38 <@perlmonkey2> doh, the def
22:39 <@preaction> it used to be called getValueFromForm, but FromForm is ackward and redundant
22:40 <@preaction> getDefaultValue ends up getting the "value" property, or if that doesn't exist, the "defaultValue" property
22:41 <@perlmonkey2> the POD says that the call to SUPER is set $value equal to an optional value instead of the one from the form.  Now that is confusing.
22:42 <@perlmonkey2> I thought the call to $self->get('value') was grabbing the value from the form.
22:43 <@preaction> nope, get() is for the form properties
22:43 <@preaction> er... form control properties
22:43 <@preaction> update the pod to make it clearer though
22:43 <@preaction> please
22:44 <@perlmonkey2> so the $self->SUPER::getValue(@_) is getting the super processed form input?
22:44 <@Haaarg> it's using ->get to find what format the result is supposed to be, should be able to just use getDefaultValue now
22:44 <@preaction> yes, it should use getDefaultValue now
22:45 <@preaction> and Scalar::Util looks_like_number
22:45 <@preaction> then it will be essentially self-documenting
22:46 <@perlmonkey2> okay, some psuedocode if you guys don't mind.
22:46 < perlDreamer> looks_like_number is a little overkill
22:46 < perlDreamer> it also recognizes floats, doesn't it?
22:47 <@preaction> you can technically have floating-point epochs
22:47 <@preaction> though none of our fields will support them
22:47 < perlDreamer> negative numbers
22:47 <@preaction> plus it's easier to look at and say "hmm, that's checking to see if it's just a number"
22:47 < perlDreamer> it does read nice
22:47 <@preaction> negative epochs are also possible, dates before 01-01-1970 00:00:00
22:47 <@perlmonkey2> if there isn't a getDefaultValue or getDefaultValue is a number, then regardless of $value, turn it into an epoch somehow.  otherwise turn it into a mysql time somehow?
22:48 <@preaction> perlmonkey2, basically, yep
23:11 <@perlmonkey2> This is from my data form date time entry test: 12/31/1969  6:33 pm
23:11 <@perlmonkey2> I entered 10:33 today.
23:11 <@perlmonkey2> :D
23:18 < perlDreamer> well, if it didn't give you a warning, that's some progress :)
23:20 <@perlmonkey2> I'm not sure what that was because when I list all values they are correct.
23:35 < perlDreamer> perlmonkey2, I'm sorry I can't spend more time helping you today.
23:36 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: It's not like that's your job or anything.  I'm learning a ton digging through this, so it is probably for the best that you can't help :)
23:51 < perlDreamer> I know, but I don't like suggesting that people try things without sticking around to follow through/help out.
23:54 < SDuensin> Quick almost on topic question:  How do you write "not exists" for a hash in Perl?  ("exists" is:   "if exists $hash{$key}")
23:54 <@preaction> !exists
23:54 <@preaction> not exists
23:55 <@preaction> either way
23:55 < perlDreamer> perldoc perlop
23:55 <@preaction> are you sure you want exists and not defined or boolean truth?
23:55 < SDuensin> It won't take it.  :-/
23:55 < perlDreamer> it won't take it?
23:55 < SDuensin> I want to know if $key isn't in the hash.
23:55 < perlDreamer> if !exists $hash{$key};
23:56 <@preaction> if ( not exists $hash{ $key } ) { ... }
23:56 < SDuensin> Ah, parens made it happier.  
23:56  * SDuensin is weak in his Perl-fu.
23:56 < perlDreamer> You need a llama
23:56 < perlDreamer> or a camel book
23:56 < SDuensin> Yes, I do.
23:56 <@preaction> perlbot books
23:56 < perlbot> http://books.perl.org
23:56 <@preaction> llama is free online
23:57 < SDuensin> Thanks
23:57 <@preaction> perlbot learning perl
23:57 < perlbot> "Learning Perl", the Llama Book - http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596520106/index.html (new fifth edition, covers 5.10) . see also <tutorial>
23:57  * SDuensin is writing system tools in Perl to better learn it for WebGUI hacking.  :-)
23:57 <@preaction> perlbot learn perl
23:57 < perlbot> http://learn.perl.org/library/beginning_perl/
23:57 <@preaction> ahh, not learning perl, beginning perl
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00:00 < SDuensin> I gotta say, I'm enjoying the language more than I expected.
00:00 < perlDreamer> well, that's good
00:00 < perlDreamer> You must not have written an OO code yet :)
00:00 < SDuensin> hehehe
00:00 < SDuensin> No, not for this.
00:00 < SDuensin> As complicated as I've managed so far are hashes of hashes.
00:01 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r7144 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Instance.pm: better detection and logging for singleton workflows
00:01 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r7145 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Subscription.pm: remove debug code
00:01 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r7146 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt sbin/preload.perl): improve behavior of preload.perl for custom lib dirs not ending in lib
00:01 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r7147 /WebGUI/ (13 files in 8 dirs): fixed: Server side spellchecker doesn't work
00:02 < perlDreamer> Haaarg, did you really have to rewrite the spell checker in JS?
00:03 <@Haaarg> i had to modify the existing one
00:03  * SDuensin is doing crazy crap.  Synchronizing a WebGUI user database with a Linux system.  :-)
00:03 <@Haaarg> it didn't support adding words to the dictionary
00:03 <@Haaarg> it was a simple modification, just makes maintenance rather annoying
00:03 < perlDreamer> well, if the YUI people get on the stick, we might have to do it again.
00:04 < perlDreamer> rizen was going to ask them about adding table support, which was the last piece needed to switch from TinyMCE over to YUI's RTE
00:26 < topsub> unless i am wrong i can add an ID to the form header right? .. something like.. WebGUI::Form::formHeader($session, { action => $self->getUrl, extras=>'id="attendee-form"'} )
00:27 <@preaction> you want the id property probably, otherwise it will be given a default ID
00:27 < topsub> preaction, it wouldn't be given any.. lol
00:27 < topsub> on the products there isn't an ID on the form field and i need to add one
00:28 <@preaction> why add an ID when you could use "document.forms[ formName ].elements[ elementName ]"
00:28 < topsub> doesn't have a form name nor id
00:29 <@preaction> oh, the form itself
00:29 <@preaction> yes, you could add an ID to it that way
00:29 <@Haaarg> what are you going to use the id for?
00:29 < topsub> ya the form itself has nothing.. just wanted to make sure
00:29 < topsub> to grap it with javascript
00:30 < topsub> document.forms[0] doesn't seem to work
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00:37 <@perlmonkey2> By some miracle, no one happened to write a Form::Date and Form::DateTime test today?
00:38 < perlDreamer> I heard perlmonkey3 was going to do it
00:39 <@perlmonkey2> that loser?  he's worthless
00:41 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: you coming to the wuc?
00:42 < perlDreamer> yes
00:42 < perlDreamer> I'm giving two talks at it this year
00:42 <@perlmonkey2> cool, will be good to meet you along with the rest of the crew.
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00:44 <@perlmonkey2> Anyone else on the channel coming who is with PB?
00:45 < perlDreamer> I think topsub, dionak and knowmad are coming
00:45 <@perlmonkey2> sweet
00:45 < perlDreamer> lisette, estiven and juan are coming
00:45 < perlDreamer> MrHairgrease and WebGUI/SynQ, BartJol
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00:46 < perlDreamer> don't know about patspam, but I hope so.
00:46 <@perlmonkey2> most of the IRC crew then
00:46 < perlDreamer> be nice to meet Mr Flux
00:46 < perlDreamer> pretty much
00:46 < perlDreamer> elnino will be there
00:46 < Dise> hi
00:46 <@perlmonkey2> hello
00:46 < perlDreamer> Hi, Dise
00:47 < perlDreamer> Are you new to WebGUI?
00:47 < Dise> i need do post from flash?
00:48 < Dise> i need use data form from web gui but from flash
00:48 < perlDreamer> then I would suggest that you ask that in a different channel.  We don't do much with Flash.
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01:41 < perlDreamer> preaction: you still around?
01:41 <@preaction> yup
01:41 < perlDreamer> In User, getGroupIdsRecursive, the first groups are gotten with the withoutExpired flag
01:41 < perlDreamer> but not any recursive groups
01:41 <@preaction> because the user isn't really a "Member" of those groups
01:42 < perlDreamer> is that by design, or should it be consistently one way or the other?
01:42 <@preaction> their "membership" can't expire
01:42 < perlDreamer> hm, okay
01:42 <@preaction> basically their membership in those groupGroupings is contingent on being a member of the initial group
01:43 < perlDreamer> that makes sense
01:43 < perlDreamer> and why return the keys of the hash instead of the array?
01:43 <@preaction> the array?
01:43 <@preaction> there is no array
01:43 <@preaction> i don't want to get duplicate groupIds, so i store them in a hash
01:44 <@preaction> oh, THAT array
01:44 < perlDreamer> yeah
01:44 <@preaction> i'm using the array as a stack, adding more groups to check
01:44 <@preaction> it's a way to ... avoid doing recursion
01:44 < perlDreamer> yes.  But aren't the keys of the hash and the array elements the same?
01:45 <@preaction> so i'm processing a recursive group tree without actually recursing
01:45 <@preaction> no, the array shrinks with every pass
01:45 <@preaction> while ( my $groupId = shift @myarray ) { ... }
01:45 < perlDreamer> of course, it's a queue
01:45 < perlDreamer> okay, I'll just shut up and start writing tests against it
01:46 <@preaction> np, the more people who understand the code the better everything is in the end
01:51 < perlDreamer> is the non-recursive algorithm faster?
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02:28 <@preaction> quite possibly, since it skips all the groups that we already have, instead of having to compile a huge tree of groups and then parse that, but only a real benchmark would tell 
02:29 < perlDreamer> yeah, I was wondering if getGroups would benefit from that
02:29 < perlDreamer> but we can always optimize later
02:29 < perlDreamer> there are lots of bugs to fix
02:29 <@preaction> might want to leave a note then, a # TODO: or something
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02:31 < dionak_> perlmonkey2, you're going to make it to the wuc? 
02:31 < perlDreamer> I'll do that.
02:32 < dionak_> that would be cool
02:32 < dionak_> would love to meet you along with others from irc
02:32 < perlDreamer> He'll be there, dionak_
02:32 <@preaction> he should be there, he's a PB employee
02:32 < dionak_> it's official?
02:32 < dionak_> congrads pm
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02:45 < CIA-6> WebGUI: Add a test to User.t to make sure it isn't leaking groups.
02:45 < CIA-6> WebGUI: Update POD in User.pm and Group.pm.
02:45 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r7149 /WebGUI/t/User.t: Begin a test for getGroupIdsRecursive
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20:50 < CIA-6> WebGUI: Add a test for text MIME type. Note that various tests
20:50 < CIA-6> WebGUI: may fail based on the version of LWP installed.
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00:19 < SDuensin> Are version tags disabled in 7.5.18?  (My enableSaveAndCommit is set to 0.)
00:20 <@preaction> they can't be disabled, but they can be hidden
00:20 <@preaction> they're hidden by default in 7.5 onwards
00:20 < SDuensin> I'm editing away over here and it's never created a version tag.
00:20 < SDuensin> I want 'em back!  :-)
00:20 <@preaction> it's always creating version tags
00:21 <@preaction> it's just automatically committing them
00:21 < SDuensin> Ahhh
00:21 < SDuensin> Can I go back to how it was?
00:21 <@preaction> yes
00:21 <@preaction> in the Settings pane, Content tab, two things: Automatically Request Commit and Skip Commit Comments
00:22 < SDuensin> Thanks!  I looked at those settings, but didn't quite understand what they were doing.
00:25 < nuba> hey guys, going to resume work on the BrazilianPortuguese translation
00:25 < nuba> last time I checked i18n.webgui.org was offline, 
00:25 < nuba> now I see its back and seems to be working
00:26 < nuba> anything I should be aware of?
00:26 < SDuensin> Ever have anyone build a "private beta" kinda thing with WebGUI?  Like where you need an invite to join and users who join can send additional invites?
00:26 <@preaction> not that i know of
00:27 <@preaction> SDuensin, with the new user invitation system you should be able to. not sure if anyone's done it, but if you do, perhaps outlining the steps in a wiki article would be useful?
00:27 < SDuensin> I poked around and couldn't figure it out.
00:27 < SDuensin> Otherwise, I'd be happy to put it on the wiki.
00:29 <@preaction> it's simple: if Anonymous Registration is off, but User Invitations are on, and a user invites someone, the person they invite are allowed to register
00:29 <@preaction> dunno if there are ways to limit the number of invites yet, but that might be a good RFE
00:29 < SDuensin> That is simple.  I'll try it!
00:29  * SDuensin supposes that will move fixing email on that box up a few notches.  :-)
00:33 < nuba> whooa, when I click on download for the brazilian portuguese language, i get a pointer to Welsh.tar.gz
00:34 < nuba> at http://i18n.webgui.org/?op=exportTranslation;languageId=BrazilianPortuguese
00:36 < nuba> reported as a bug
00:37 <@preaction> yeah, i get the same thing
00:37 < nuba> did set severity = critical, since using welsh for a while is not a valid workaround
00:38 < nuba> or rather, fatal
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01:27 < perlDreamer> help
01:27 < SDuensin> Hey perlDreamer 
01:27 < perlDreamer> Having problems with perl references
01:28 < SDuensin> Well, seeing as how you're *my* Perl reference, I doubt I can help.  :-P
01:29 < perlDreamer> It's okay.
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01:30 < SDuensin> Not sure why the WRE hates me.  I love it.
01:31 < perlDreamer> What kind of WRE problem are you having?
01:32 < SDuensin> I'm being dumb, basically.  It's a test box behind my firewall.  I can't use 80, so I'm letting them in on 28000.  I left the WRE on 80 and 8081.  It can't figure that out.  I should just move the WRE to 28000, but I'm going about it the hard way.
01:33 < SDuensin> Hey perlDreamer, are you officially part of PlainBlack, or just work with them?
01:33 < perlDreamer> I do some contracting for them, from time to time
01:33 < perlDreamer> I'm just a highly motivated volunteer.
01:33 < SDuensin> hehe
01:34 < SDuensin> Ok, I'll ask rizen later then.  I was curious what kind of partnering they did.
01:35 < perlDreamer> rizen would be the right guy to ask.
01:35 < SDuensin> Part of the empire I'm building is a WebGUI hosting service.  :-)
01:35 < perlDreamer> You definitely want to partner with Plain Black.
01:35 < perlDreamer> I would recommend their Agency Hosting package
01:35  * SDuensin is tired of provisioning boxes himself.  Gonna automate it.
01:36 < perlDreamer> That's what Agency Hosting is all about.  P.B. does all the provisioning and software maintenance.  You just sell WebGUI sites.
01:36 < SDuensin> I do web development and run it all on WebGUI, so I do hosting.  I'm just going to make it so I don't *have* to be involved if people want a site.  They can just set one up and go.
01:37 < perlDreamer> You should be able to modify the WRE's demo site creation script to do that.
01:37 < SDuensin> Yep!  :-)
01:38 < SDuensin> I just wrote scripts (in Perl!) to provision Linux accounts from WebGUI.  
01:38 < perlDreamer> Cool.
01:38 < perlDreamer> Are they workflows, or just scripts.
01:38 < SDuensin> Hell of a lot easier than writing my own user/subscription/payment manager.
01:39 < SDuensin> WebGUI just does it's subscription thing.  Then I have a script that runs as a cron job on another box that syncs the WebGUI users and groups with the Linux ones.
01:40 < perlDreamer> You do know that you can set up Workflows to do that on creating and removing users?
01:40 < perlDreamer> so that you don't have to go over the users again and again/
01:40 < SDuensin> All I had to do was tweak WebGUI to use the crypt() function so the password hashes are the same.
01:40 < SDuensin> Yea, I started to use a workflow, but then I had to deal with cross-box communications.
01:41 < perlDreamer> I don't know how easy it is to make spectre talk across boxes.
01:41 < SDuensin> I did my best to make my cron code smart.  It only applies changes - it doesn't do blanket setting of everyone every time.
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01:47 < perlDreamer> preaction: you suck!  No more API writing for you.
01:48 < perlDreamer> Your new User method exposed two bugs in the User package.  And it's taken me all day to track them down and stomp on them.
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02:15 < CIA-6> WebGUI: Fix Stow to always return safe copies of stowed data.
02:15 < CIA-6> WebGUI: And test it.
02:15 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r7153 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/User.pm t/User.t): 
02:15 < CIA-6> WebGUI: Change getGroups to always return safe copies of data.
02:15 < CIA-6> WebGUI: Add tests to check for safe copies.
02:15 < CIA-6> WebGUI: Add a test for getGroupIdsRecursive.
02:46 < CIA-6> WebGUI: translation * r7154 /translations/ (163 files in 3 dirs): Update from translation server
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17:44 < SynQ> hi there
18:16 < CIA-6> WebGUI: yung * r7155 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: DateTime Form Control Bug
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07:47 < perlDreamer> elnino, still awake?
07:48 < elnino> I am!!!
07:48 < elnino> I'm doing an upgrade to 7.4.40!
07:48 < perlDreamer> good call
07:49 < perlDreamer> Got time to talk about EMS badges?
07:49 < elnino> sure. I'm on two different machines, so it may take me a while to respond.
07:49 < perlDreamer> not a problem
07:49 < perlDreamer> I just want to double check something
07:49 < perlDreamer> I'm at the beta site: http://beta.webgui.org/demo1217804143_751/home
07:49 < perlDreamer> at the bottom of the  page, there are 3 badges listed with Buy links next to each one
07:50 < perlDreamer> In your bug reply, it sounds like you don't see those
07:51 < elnino> correct, let me login and see what I see...
07:51 < elnino> I logged in as admin and I see: "You need a badge to attend this convention. Choose a badge that meets your needs and budget."
07:52 < elnino> I'm on both a 2000 and xp machine. Same results.
07:52 < elnino> weird
07:52 < perlDreamer> no list of badges below that?
07:52 < elnino> nope.
07:52 < perlDreamer> Which browsers?
07:53 < elnino> IE 6 and 7
07:53 < elnino> I'll try firefox
07:53 < perlDreamer> thanks
07:53 < perlDreamer> if this is browser based, it will be much simpler to handle
07:53 < perlDreamer> because this particular code should be rock solid
07:53 < perlDreamer> on the server side, anyway :)
07:55 < elnino> looky there!!! They are there!
07:55 < elnino> it's be a broswer issue!
07:55 < elnino> are you using jquery?
07:55 < perlDreamer> okay, let's amend that bug.  Do you want to do it, or do you want me to?
07:55 < perlDreamer> YUI
07:55 < perlDreamer> supposed to be very cross browser compatible
07:56 < elnino> Sure, I can do that.  i"m inpressed with jquery. It's very cool.
07:56 < perlDreamer> thanks.
07:56 < perlDreamer> I'm glad we've learned more about his
07:56 < perlDreamer> this
07:57 < elnino> sure, I would not have thought about trying a different browser, ususally, you see *something*, but not a entire thing missing.
07:57 < perlDreamer> and I don't even have a copy of IE to use.  I need to get a VM set up so I can do cross browser testing of some kind.
08:00 < elnino> so... a couple days ago, someone was having an issue with upgrading to 7.5 from 7.4.40.... I didn't want to hear about it, so I logged off.  =)
08:00 < elnino> was that you talking to that person?  what was the issue? 
08:00 < elnino> I'm going to eventually make that jump.  probably before the conference.
08:00 < perlDreamer> there are certain "cross-over" points between 7.4 and 7.5
08:00 < perlDreamer> you have to get to one of them to get into 7.5
08:00 < perlDreamer> 7.4.40 is the last one of those
08:01 < elnino> it sounded like it didn't go well, or wasn't he/she upgrading from 7.4.40
08:01 < perlDreamer> I'm not sure.  The conversation didn't come to an end.
08:02 < elnino> so no conclusion?
08:02 < perlDreamer> right
08:03 < elnino> ok... upgrades usually go very well for me, so I guess I wont be too scared off by that.. 
08:03 < perlDreamer> just make good backups.  That's the best advice I can give.
08:03 < perlDreamer> that's something that I'll be paying more attention to soon
08:04 < perlDreamer> I'm going to start using WebGUI as a customer again
08:04 < elnino> got a gig?
08:04 < perlDreamer> Semi-personal site
08:04 < perlDreamer> My boys want a vanity site for trains
08:05 < elnino> it sure is different being a customer vs a developer.  you'll probably gain lots of insights.
08:05 < elnino> sounds  fun for your boys. 
08:06 < perlDreamer> I hope they'll learn a lot from it.
08:06 < elnino> oh they will. They'll appreciate what dad does too.
08:11 < perlDreamer> last summer my older boy and I made a wikipedia page
08:11 < perlDreamer> this is a slightly bigger project
08:12 < perlDreamer> Going to head to bed.  Happy hacking!
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15:16 < consultrmann> Hello, everyone!
15:16 < consultrmann> has anyone ever used Catalyst with webGui?
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15:32 < consultrmann> ..anyone here uses frameworks with webgui?
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17:30 <@perlmonkey2> Don't know if there are many sci-fi geeks here but the box set of Firefly is on sale at amazon for $18.
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17:37 <@perlmonkey2> Does the test session not write to the log or are my logs settings borked?
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18:00 < SDuensin> Greetings.
18:01 <@perlmonkey2> Hello
18:03 < bartjo1> hio
18:06 < SDuensin> Hey, where is the default user invite message hidden?  I can't find it to change it!
18:09 <+MrHairgrease> sduensin: i think it's in the 18n files
18:10 <+MrHairgrease> are you coming to the wuc this year btw?
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18:10 < SDuensin> I wish I could.  Hold it in St. Louis!  :-P
18:10 < SDuensin> (Or on a beach.)
18:11 <+MrHairgrease> too bad...
18:11 <+MrHairgrease> any ither attendees in the channel?
18:11 <+MrHairgrease> other*
18:13 < knowmad> attendees of what? WUC?
18:13 < SDuensin> How would I edit said 18n files?
18:13 <+MrHairgrease> normally you don't
18:13 < knowmad> any Workflow gurus listening in this AM?
18:13 <+MrHairgrease> you add a language
18:13 < knowmad> (or PM for MHG)
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18:14 < bartjo1> here's an attendee
18:14 <+MrHairgrease> not sure on the guru part but shoot
18:14 < knowmad> here's 3 more
18:14 < knowmad> what does the workflow engine do if i return ERROR
18:14 <+MrHairgrease> I think it suspends the workflow
18:15 <+MrHairgrease> ad increases it's priority number
18:15 < SDuensin> I figured "you don't" was the answer.  That's bad.  The default message is, sorry, quite lame.
18:15 < knowmad> then it requires manual attention?
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18:15 <+MrHairgrease> well it depends
18:15 <+MrHairgrease> i have had a number of failing get mail for cs workflows
18:15 < knowmad> as i recall, it continues to be attempted after a delay
18:15 <+MrHairgrease> yeah they do
18:15 <+MrHairgrease> but
18:15 <+MrHairgrease> if they'll never recover
18:16 <+MrHairgrease> they'll just keep going for ever
18:16 < knowmad> i've seen that happen!
18:16 <+MrHairgrease> like th cs workflows i mentioned
18:16 <+MrHairgrease> they tried to get mail for a cs that had been purged from the db
18:16 <+MrHairgrease> hence the error
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18:17 <+MrHairgrease> in that case I removed the workflows manually from the db
18:18 <+MrHairgrease> the tables you want to check out are workflowInstance and workflowInstanceScracht
18:18 <+MrHairgrease> workflowInstanceScratch
18:18 < knowmad> so i could setup the workfow to run as a singleton and then keep tabs on erroring workflows
18:18 < knowmad> there should be  a workflow to send an email if other workflows are in ERROR status
18:18 < knowmad> has this been written?
18:18 <+MrHairgrease> I don't think that'll work
18:18 <+MrHairgrease> since an instance is failing
18:19 <+MrHairgrease> and changing a workflow's settings just changes the props of NEW instances
18:19 < knowmad> do you have the sql you used to manually remove the workflows?
18:19 <+MrHairgrease> first I do something like
18:19 <+MrHairgrease> select * from workflowInstance (or whatever that table is called)
18:20 <+MrHairgrease> there you can see which ones errored and at which activity
18:20 <+MrHairgrease> and the workflowId
18:20 < knowmad> cool
18:20 < knowmad> then i could delete the bad workflow from WorkflowActivity?
18:20 <+MrHairgrease> NO
18:21 <+MrHairgrease> only from workflowInstance
18:22 <+MrHairgrease> find the errored workflows in WorkflowInstance
18:22 < knowmad> what is WorkflowActivity storing?
18:22 <+MrHairgrease> the activities in a workflow
18:22 <+MrHairgrease> anyway
18:23 <+MrHairgrease> after you've found those in WorkflowInstance
18:23 <+MrHairgrease> check the workflowIds
18:23 <+MrHairgrease> in Workflow you can find the titles of the workflows that are instanciated
18:24 <+MrHairgrease> now if the Id is csworkflow000000000001 (get cs mail)
18:24 <+MrHairgrease> it's prolly trying to instanciate a non existing asset
18:25 <+MrHairgrease> you can find the assetId of that asset in WorkflowInstance
18:25 < knowmad> did you setup a CS and remove it to create that behavior ?
18:25 <+MrHairgrease> in the parameters column
18:25 <+MrHairgrease> I don't know why it happens.
18:26 < knowmad> i hope the dev guide will document how all the db tables work together
18:26 <+MrHairgrease> My guess is a CS was deleted just after the scheduler ran its get cs mail
18:26 <+MrHairgrease> workflow
18:27 <+MrHairgrease> I think that finds all cs's and starts a get CS mail workflow for each of them 
18:27 <+MrHairgrease> (not sure though)
18:27 <+MrHairgrease> if a cs is removed before its workflow is run you'd get this behaviour
18:28 <+MrHairgrease> If your erroring workflow is something else though, you should find the cause
18:28 <+MrHairgrease> what helps to do that is set the loglevel to INFO
18:28 <+MrHairgrease> tail -f webgui.log
18:28 <+MrHairgrease> and run spectre in debug mode
18:28 <+MrHairgrease> perl spectre.pl --run --debug
18:29 <+MrHairgrease> you will get a whole load of logging in your log 
18:29 < knowmad> cool
18:29 < knowmad> actually, though, i'm writing an activity and needed to understand the logic to know how to handle failure
18:29 <+MrHairgrease> if it is a cs mail thingy however
18:29 < knowmad> this activity does lots of stuff and has many chances for failure
18:29 <+MrHairgrease> just check if the assetId in parameters still exists
18:30 < knowmad> i'm wrapping an eval script around the guts of the execute() method
18:30 < knowmad> if anything dies or croaks, i'll catch it, output an error to log, send a notification email and return ERROR
18:30 < knowmad> sound reasonable?
18:30 <@rizen> knowmad, what could you possibly need to know other than to call "error" when it errors and "wait" when it's not finished and "complete" when it is finished?
18:30 <+MrHairgrease> if it has a chance of recovering later on, yeah
18:31 < knowmad> have you sent emails from an activity? i'm guessing there are examples
18:31 <+MrHairgrease> just be sure that whatever your activity does, it does it within a minute
18:31 <+MrHairgrease> or throw out a WAIT before the minute ends
18:31 < knowmad> well, i'm installing this at a client's place and don't want them to do lots of mnagement on it
18:32 <+MrHairgrease> and contine in the next run
18:32 < knowmad> they just need to know when it fails
18:32 <+MrHairgrease> just use the WebGUI::Mail::Send API
18:33 < knowmad> yeah, i was thinking about the WAIT thing
18:33 <+MrHairgrease> I think there's even a workflow that sends out queued emails
18:33 < knowmad> how do you "clock" run-time for an activity?
18:33 <+MrHairgrease> time?
18:33 < knowmad> i think it'll usu. finish within a minute as we aren't processing that much data
18:33 <+MrHairgrease> of Time::HiRes
18:33 < knowmad> have you done this in an activity? 
18:34 <+MrHairgrease> dunno anymore
18:34 <+MrHairgrease> anyway
18:34 <+MrHairgrease> you do it the same as you'd do it from a normal plugin
18:34 <+MrHairgrease> my $mail  = WebGUI::Mail::Send->new( $session );
18:35 < knowmad> thanks for the tips
18:35 <+MrHairgrease> ok
18:35 <+MrHairgrease> you send an email with  $mail->send
18:35 <+MrHairgrease> or you can queue it with
18:35 <+MrHairgrease> $mail->queue()
18:36 <+MrHairgrease> in the latter case it will be sent later on by the send mail workflow
18:36 <@rizen> also queue is safer
18:36 <+MrHairgrease> true
18:36 < knowmad> ok, that's good to know
18:39 < knowmad> the create() method on Mail::Send doesn't allow me to insert the message body; do you use addText then queue?
18:39 <+MrHairgrease> yes
18:39 <@rizen> yes
18:39 <@rizen> and you can call addHTML or addText multiple times
18:39 <+MrHairgrease> or addHTML for html
18:40 <@rizen> to add multiple parts to the message
18:40 < knowmad> do i need to use messageId?
18:40 <+MrHairgrease> no
18:40 <+MrHairgrease> unless you want to set it
18:40 < knowmad> it looks like this is setup for sending out mail via templates; is that how messageId is used?
18:41 <+MrHairgrease> if not mistaken that is to set the message Id header of the mail itself
18:41 <+MrHairgrease> I think the cs uses it to track which email is a reply to which post
18:41 < knowmad> oh, to override the auto-generation
18:41 <+MrHairgrease> but for normal emails you don't need it
18:41 <+MrHairgrease> yeah
18:43 < CIA-6> WebGUI: yung * r7156 /WebGUI/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: Tree Menu is always collapsed
18:43 < knowmad> can i use comma-separated emails in the to field for Mail::Send?
18:44 <+MrHairgrease> you mean addresses?
18:44 < knowmad> yes
18:44 <+MrHairgrease> from the docs
18:44 <+MrHairgrease> =head4 to  A string containing a comma seperated list of email addresses to send to.
18:45 <+MrHairgrease> so i think yes
18:45 < knowmad> thanks for not RTFM'ing me
18:45 <+MrHairgrease> np
18:45 <+MrHairgrease> I will at the wuc =)
18:45 < knowmad> fair enough; i'll be ready for you!
18:46 <+MrHairgrease> good
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18:53 < perlDreamer> perlmonkey2: If the test calls WebGUI::Test::interceptLogging, then it will grab the log object and stuff anything that is logged into internal buffers
18:54 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: naw, this is just more wre weirdness.  I've got it to work now in ssl/non-ssl mode, but now it logs during the first test and then stops logging.
18:55 < perlDreamer> weirdness
18:55 < perlDreamer> I'm going to try and get my nick fixed today
18:55 <@perlmonkey2> but only the test.  The web interface logs perfectly
18:55 <@perlmonkey2> not registered?
18:55 < perlDreamer> registered, but broken somehow during the last code/server upgrade
18:56 <@perlmonkey2> hah, I called exit in the test which was messing up the logging.  letting the test finish fixed it.
18:56 <@perlmonkey2> spooky
18:58 < perlDreamer> You're writing tests?  Cool!
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19:01 < juan1> i want to delete or edit some events in the calendar but i can't do it
19:02 < juan1> the admin user also can not to do it
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19:33 < juan1> can i delete or update an event using console?
19:39 <@bopbop> juan1: in the asset manager? yes
19:39 <@bopbop> each event will appear as a child to the calendar asset
19:40 <@bopbop> or, you should be able to edit/delete events from an event's Event Details screen
19:41 < juan1> bopbop, actually i have several calendar and with the admin user i can not delete or update events
19:42 <@bopbop> even from the asset manager view?
19:42 < juan1> i am going to check
19:43 <@bopbop> ok- I am logged in as Admin on my site right now and I'm not having any trouble
19:53 < juan1> yes
19:53 < juan1> from the asset manager works
19:54 < juan1> the group who can add or edit events, can not do it
20:00 <@preaction> juan1, you're still using WebGUI 7.4, right?
20:12 <@preaction> http://developer.yahoo.com/ypatterns/ <- has anybody ever seen this?
20:13 <@preaction> looks like there are OmniGraffle and Visio stencils for YUI components here
20:13 <@preaction> plus other awesomeness
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20:18 < perlDreamer> they're just pictures?
20:18 < juan1> preaction, yes i am using WebGUI 7.4
20:18 <@preaction> juan1, what you're talking about is fixed in webgui 7.5, and there are no more 7.4 releases so you'll have to either upgrade to 7.5 or wait until 7.5 goes stable and then upgrade
20:19 <@preaction> perlDreamer, stencils for OmniGraffle, which is a flowchart kind of program
20:19 <@preaction> or visio, though i don't know what that is
20:20 <@preaction> plus, it has descriptions of these things, when and why they should be used, how they should operate, etc...
20:20 <@preaction> it's like a Yahoo Human Interface Guide
20:21 < perlDreamer> in other words, I should download them and fill my presentations with them?
20:22 <@preaction> well, the descriptions are just on the website. but the stencils could be useful if you don't have screenshots
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20:52 <@perlmonkey2> This ring a bell with anyone.  I get can't instantiate WebGUI::Form::Datetime but greppging the entire webgui directory finds no instances of Datetime with a lower case T in time.
20:52 <@preaction> it might be "datetime"
20:53 <@preaction> WebGUI::Form.pm has an AUTOLOAD that does ucfirst on the given type =>
20:53 <@preaction> so WebGUI::Form::dateTime == WebGUI::Form::DateTime.pm
20:53 <@preaction> but WebGUI::Form::datetime == WebGUI::Form::Datetime.pm
20:53 < knowmad> is it safe to remove completed records from the WorkflowInstance table?
20:54 <@preaction> no
20:54 < knowmad> why are they in there?
20:54 <@perlmonkey2> WebGUI::FormValidator::AUTOLOAD[76] - Could not instanciate object using new on WebGUI::Form::Datetime:
20:54 <@preaction> completed != done
20:54 <@perlmonkey2> only shows up when I run the test.
20:54 < knowmad> i see
20:54 <@preaction> perlmonkey2, somewhere, something is using "WebGUI::Form::datetime" to try to instanciate a DateTime form control
20:55 <@perlmonkey2> preaction: grep -R "Datetime" /data/WebGUI returns nothing useful :(
20:55 < knowmad> i've got entries stuck from last october
20:55 <@preaction> knowmad, "completed" means a single activity completed and we're moving on to the next one. "done" means that the entire workflow is done
20:55 <@preaction> perlmonkey2, lower-case d
20:55 <@preaction> perlmonkey2, also, cpan App::Ack
20:55 < knowmad> how can i tell which activity a workflow is at?
20:55 <@perlmonkey2> preaction: the error is uppercase
20:56 <@preaction> perlmonkey2, read what WebGUI::Form::AUTOLOAD and you'll see why it's uppercase
20:56 <@perlmonkey2> oh
20:56 <@preaction> [12:52] <preaction> WebGUI::Form.pm has an AUTOLOAD that does ucfirst
20:56 <@perlmonkey2> preaction: AUTLOAD is only saving me 2 lines of code here, I'll just skip it
20:57 < knowmad> preaction: how can i tell which activity a workflow is at?
20:57 <@preaction> knowmad, is there a currentActivity column?
20:58 <@preaction> or lastActivity or something?
20:58 < knowmad> so there is
20:58 < knowmad> and they're all stuck on the same activity
20:58 < knowmad> pbwfactivity000000012
20:58 <@preaction> that's probably not good
20:58 < knowmad> mighta missed a 0 in there
20:58 < knowmad> yeah, that's what i'm thinking
21:01 < knowmad> preaction: it's stuck on getting syndicated content
21:01 < knowmad> checking logs...
21:01 < perlDreamer> knowmad, I released a SQL Report that will tell you which workflow an activity is in
21:01 < perlDreamer> It's in the Add Ons section
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21:02 < knowmad> oh, yeah, i remember seeing that
21:02 < knowmad> i think i've found it now though
21:02 < perlDreamer> cool
21:05 < knowmad> so i'm getting a communications error in spectre (500); the error message gives back the WORKFLOW: Reponse for <ID>; i don't know what ID it's giving me; it's not the workflow or workflowInstanceID; any other ideas?
21:06 <@preaction> workflowInstanceId
21:07 < knowmad> thanks
21:10 < knowmad> well that worked for one but not 2 others; i don't find their instance id's in the WorkflowInstance table
21:11 <@preaction> a different site maybe?
21:11 < knowmad> is there a way to find out what the communications issue is?
21:11 <@preaction> perl spectre.pl --test
21:11 < knowmad> oh, that could be
21:12 <@preaction> but "communications issue" usually means that LWP had a problem, which could be a lot of things
21:12 < knowmad> actually there's only 1 site and --test is successful
21:12 < knowmad> yeah, that's what i was afraid of -- "could be a lot of things"
21:12 < knowmad> how do you debug?
21:13 < perlDreamer> run the workflow manually?
21:14 <@preaction> you could try making the workflow runner request yourself, something like yoursite.com?op=runWorkflow;workflowInstanceId=<...>
21:14 <@preaction> see WebGUI::Operation::Workflow for the www_ method that does this
21:14 < perlDreamer> yeah, that's easier than hacking URLs
21:15 < knowmad> OK, thanks
21:15 < perlDreamer> perlmonkey2: How's the test coming?
21:15 <@perlmonkey2> found a bug in DateTime
21:16 <@perlmonkey2> workign on it now
21:16 < perlDreamer> excellent
21:17 <@perlmonkey2> actually didnt' find a bug, it was my test.
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21:20 < knowmad> should output from errorHandler go into webgui.log?
21:21 < perlDreamer> yes, but use $session->log instead
21:21 <@preaction> knowmad, yes
21:21 < perlDreamer> it's equivalent, and much shorter
21:21 <@preaction> well, if and only if your log.conf is configured to put the message there
21:23 < knowmad> right, but that's the default
21:23 < knowmad> oh, i didn't know about log
21:23 <@preaction> ERROR is the new default, which means ERROR and FATAL gets logged
21:23 < knowmad> that's certainly much nicer
21:23 < perlDreamer> yeah
21:23 < knowmad> oh, that's my problem!
21:23 < knowmad> need to reset the log level
21:23 < knowmad> thanks
21:36 < knowmad> the log() method must be part of 7.5
21:37 < perlDreamer> yes
21:37 < perlDreamer> sorry about that
21:40 < knowmad> np
21:40 < knowmad> that's why i write tests
21:40 < knowmad> :)
21:40 < perlDreamer> You know, I should update Session/ErrorHandler to check the log method.
21:41 < knowmad> what do you mean?
21:42 < perlDreamer> the Session/ErrorHandler should make sure that the errorHandler method and log methods are equivalent
21:42 < perlDreamer> the Session/ErrorHandler _test_ should make sure that the errorHandler method and log methods are equivalent
21:43 < knowmad> ahh, i see now
21:45 < knowmad> need some terminology help here
21:45 < knowmad> what's another  name for a step incrementer
21:45 < perlDreamer> where's that at?
21:45 < perlDreamer> step incrementer?
21:46 < perlDreamer> like for (my $a=3; $a<=9; $a+=2)
21:46 < knowmad> it's what the db operations like hashRef do
21:46 < knowmad> not really like 'for'
21:46 < knowmad> it's a programmatic control 
21:46 < knowmad> abstracted
21:47 < knowmad> it's common when stepping through results from a database
21:48 < perlDreamer> how about "iterator"
21:48 < knowmad> thank you!
21:48 < knowmad> that was driving me nuts
21:48  * perlDreamer needs to become CS buzzword compliant
21:50 < knowmad> well, i doubt "step incrementer" == "iterator"; i just couldn't think of how to describe it
21:51 < knowmad> is there an UI for viewing queued outgoing messages?
21:52 < perlDreamer> su - root; mysql
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21:53 < knowmad> so that'd be the mysql UI
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21:54 <@preaction> yes
21:56 < knowmad> preaction: i need to get back to deleting bogus workflows
21:56 < knowmad> i have these 2 workflows that are erroring out but that don't have workflows instances
22:01 <@preaction> restart spectre?
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22:08 < knowmad> preaction: tried that several times
22:09 < knowmad> can't i delete them from workflowInstance?
22:11 < dionak> is there any mechanism (wremonitor?) to complain if a workflow doesn't complete within some timeframe?
22:11 <@preaction> i thought you said they were already deleted from WorkflowInstance
22:12 <@preaction> dionak, wremonitor. each time a workflow gets run, its priority level goes up. there's a maximum workflow priority key in wre.conf
22:12 < knowmad> no, i had asked earlier if it was safe to delete them
22:12 < dionak> what happens when that max is hit?
22:12 <@preaction> dionak, you get notified
22:12 <@preaction> knowmad, so they are instances of workflows that no longer exist? or workflowId is empty?
22:12 < dionak> ok. thanks. 
22:13 < knowmad> this server we're on prob isn't running wremonitor
22:13 < knowmad> (for reasons I'd rather not discuss nor disclose)
22:13 < knowmad> workflowId is pbworkflow0000000004
22:13 < knowmad> they're just ancient (last October)
22:14 < knowmad> i think the workflow exists but these are outstanding instances of it
22:14 < knowmad> i'm prettty sure that's the hourly workflow
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22:18 < knowmad> so what's worst case scenario if i delete workflow instances from the workflowInstance table?
22:24 <@Haarg> if it's a scheduled workflow, there shouldn't be any problems
22:25 < knowmad> that's what i'm thinking; plus i can see that they're all stuck on retrieving syndicated content which this site isn't even using
22:25 < knowmad> i'll backup first, though!
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22:28 < CIA-6> WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7157 /WebGUI/t/Form/ (DateTime.t Date.t): Date and DateTime tests.
22:28 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r7158 /tools/translationserver.cgi: fix downloading and other issues
22:28 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r7159 /tools/translationserver.cgi: use correct option for sorting keys
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22:38 < tavisto_> Knowmad, would you be happy if WebGUI was part of the Ubuntu core?
22:38 <@preaction> tavisto_, that would be a side-effect of being part of Debian
22:39 < tavisto_> yeah it sounds like we'd just need someone to tweak things for Ubuntu :)
22:50 < knowmad> tavisto_: 110%
22:50 < knowmad> i'd be happier if i could dump this $#@( windows server i'm on right now!!!
22:50 < tavisto_> hehe
22:51 < tavisto_> well I'm waiting to hear back from Gerry @ Canonical but he told me that there shouldn't be much work involved at this point since we're going into Debian
22:51 < knowmad> where does one go to change the email SMTP server in webgui? i'm used to leaving it as localhost but this windoze svr can't do email and i need to set it to a different server
22:51 < knowmad> that'll be great; i'd be glad to do anything to help
22:52 < tavisto_> we would just need someone to follow the directions they give and go through some processes. Since you are such a big Ubuntu fan I'm wondering if this would be a good fit
22:52 < tavisto_> great, I'll need a blood sample and your 1 mile lap time
22:53 < knowmad> ohh, i'm a bit slow on the mile these days; i'll get the dna sample sent ;)
22:53 < tavisto_> I'll be in touch to discuss this with you further once I am in the loop
22:53 <@preaction> knowmad, Settings > Mail I believe. it's somewhere in the settings though
22:53 < knowmad> thanks preaction
22:54 <@perlmonkey2> Can someone tell me what is wrong with this?  WebGUI::DateTime->new($self->session, mysql => $value, time_zone => $self->session->user->profileField( 'timeZone' ));
22:55 <@preaction> nothing, except i think we're not supposed to use user->profileField("timeZone") anymore, there's something in session->datetime to grab the current time zone
22:55 <@perlmonkey2> The timezone 'American/Chicago' could not be loaded, or is an invalid name.
22:55 <@perlmonkey2> okay, I'll look for the alternative
22:56 <@preaction> that's an invalid timezone
22:56 <@preaction> it should be America/Chicago
22:59  * perlmonkey2 bangs head repeatedly on the table
22:59 <@perlmonkey2> Thanks preaction :)
23:04 < knowmad> I'm still having !@#$ workflow problems! I have 0 workflow instances but repeatedly get an error from spectre in my webgui.log. Why? Where is this ghost workflow?
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23:08 < perlDreamer> knowmad, only 1 site on this box?
23:11 < knowmad> yes
23:12 < knowmad> forgot to mention that; it may have had another site at one time but it's not active now
23:12 < perlDreamer> and the db for that site is gone?
23:12 <@preaction> but the config file for that site still exists?
23:12 < knowmad> checking....
23:13 < knowmad> both are gone
23:13 < perlDreamer> if that's the problem, I think we need to continue to enhance spectre's diagnostic outputs
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23:14 < knowmad> keep throwing out ideas; i gotta run
23:14 < knowmad> to a mtg
23:14 <@preaction> people still play Magic: The Gathering?
23:14 < perlDreamer> sure, why not?
23:15 <@preaction> I thought Pok?mon and Yu-Gi-Oh were the popular ones now
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23:31 <@perlmonkey2> okay, fear for WG.  I submitted the form Date and DateTime updates including a test that claims they work.  Someone might want to update and run the test too :P
23:32 < perlDreamer> tests pass
23:32 <@perlmonkey2> that's reassuring to see on a second machine.
23:33 < perlDreamer> perlmonkey2: You're not a full member of the community until you have made a boo-boo that breaks someone else's box
23:33 < perlDreamer> bonus points are awarded for the number of boxes
23:33 < perlDreamer> difficulty of fix
23:33 < perlDreamer> how many times people swear at you
23:33 < perlDreamer> and for how long it takes for the bug to surface
23:33 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: hah, that shouldn't take me long :P
23:34 <@preaction> current record is held by JT, but i think it should be invalidated since he did it on purpose
23:35 <@rizen> what did i do on purpose?
23:35 < perlDreamer> record for oldest bug
23:37 <@preaction> oldest and most devastating bug
23:37 < perlDreamer> most devastating?
23:37 < perlDreamer> Are you talking about the backup bug?
23:37 <@preaction> the upgrade.pl's backup
23:37 <@preaction> yeah
23:37 < perlDreamer> I don't know.
23:37 <@preaction> it's definitely the oldest
23:37 < perlDreamer> In the 6.x series I broke Form/Text.pm
23:37 < perlDreamer> People were very unhappy about that one.
23:38 <@rizen> but preaction, i only destroyed plainblack.com with that one
23:38 <@rizen> not lots of other people's boxes
23:38 <@preaction> so, 1 site, 1 bug, but very long
23:38 <@rizen> sure, it's the oldest bug...6 years to find it
23:39 <@rizen> or maybe only 5
23:39 <@rizen> but it's only one site
23:39 < perlDreamer> only one known site
23:41 < perlDreamer> In fact, I _was_ going to buy some hosting from PB, but since the backups are questionable....
23:47 <@rizen> don't make me hurt you pd
23:47 <@rizen> i will get out my webgui branding iron
23:47 < perlDreamer> oy
23:48 <@rizen> and if you don't believe i have one, ask any of my staff...they've felt it's wrath =)
23:49 < perlDreamer> Do you beat them with it, or heat it and apply it properly?
23:50 <@perlmonkey2> We've covered the sessionId cookie stays active after a new user logs in issue before right?  And the consensus was that this wasn't an easy issue to resolve because we couldn't reliably kill cookies, right?
23:51 <@preaction> we can reliably kill cookies just fine
23:52 <@perlmonkey2> http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/shipping-address-saved-in-my-profile-from-another-user#t33z8CjVkBk7B4wF_IXcVg
23:52 <@perlmonkey2> so when a new user logs in we should kill any existing sessionId cookies and create a new one?
23:52 <@preaction> uh... that will have to go through TMRFE
23:52 <@preaction> JT?
23:53 <@rizen> pd: heat it up and burn it in
23:53  * perlmonkey2 fears for pd's backside.
23:53  * perlDreamer resolves to re-evaluate his hosting choices
23:53 <@rizen> we cannot reliably kill session cookies
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23:54 <@rizen> if two users log in with the same browser on the same machine, they are destined to see anything that is session related
23:54 <@perlmonkey2> RFE to change this, or close it as How It Shall Be
23:55 <@rizen> close it
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01:11 < knowmad> In Log::Log4perl, there is a log level called notice. Is this available via errorHandler?
01:19 <@apeiron_> knowmad, I don't believe so, but you can get the underlying Log::Log4perl object with ->getLogger.
01:20 < knowmad> yeah, i just tried that and it didn't work; actually notice is part of the Log::Dispatch module that (I think) Log::Log4perl 
01:20 < knowmad> uses
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01:20 < knowmad> i need something that is less verbose than INFO but not as significant as WARN
01:21 < knowmad> setting my log level to INFO outputs too much
01:21 < knowmad> isn't there a way to only output logging for a specific activity?
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01:29 < knowmad> ok, found that i can adjust logging levels within my activity then adjust them back down
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02:40 < elnino> hi all.
02:41 < elnino> I sucessfully upgraded to 7.4.40!  I'd like to modify the workflow "commit without approval" to notify about aversion tag. 
02:41 < elnino> I see that I have the choice to notify a "group". where to I specify this?
02:42 < elnino> I read that wrong.. Sorry, never mind... Is there a way to notify a particular group that a versiontag has been approved?
02:43 <@preaction> put a Notify About Version Tag activity after the Request Approval activity?
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02:43 < elnino> I dont' want them to approve anything, just want to tell them about it.
02:44 < perlDreamer> elnino, that's what preaction's suggestion will do
02:44 < perlDreamer> Group to Approve is automatically notified
02:44 < perlDreamer> if you want additional notifications, you use NotifyAboutVersionTag
02:46 < elnino> yes, I want additional notifications.. but my choices are "tag committer, tag createer and "group to use"  I have a different group in mind:  admins.
02:46 < perlDreamer> and in the Request Approval, admins don't get an email?
02:48 < elnino> in the request approval step, it's "version managers". - so will they get a notification, if the request is automatically approved? I"m slowly getting this. I'm only an admin, I guess I'll join the "version tag manager group" That should work.
02:49 < elnino> right?
02:50 < elnino> testing....
02:57 < elnino> hmm.  no email. I logged in as someone else who is a version tag manager, committed my tag, it got automatically approved by version tag manager (per workflow) and didn't get an email to me (who is also a version tag manager)
02:57 < elnino> let me say that differently.
02:57 < elnino> I logged in as someone else who is a version tag manager, made a change, committed the tag, it got automatically approved by version tag manager (Because i was logged in as one) (per workflow) and didn't get an email to me (who is also a version tag manager)
02:58 < elnino> I would have expected all versoin tag mangers to be notified.
02:58 <@preaction> that's expected behavior, yes
02:58 <@preaction> no, there is no message because it doesn't need approval
02:59 < elnino> hmm. is there a work flow I can add to still be notified even if it's automatically approved? it gives them a fuzzy feeling, and, give us other versoin tag managers a chance to reivew the changes after they've been posted. 
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03:07 < elnino> is that travis the person who would be able to tell me the costs of SSL? on a single hosting plan?
03:10 <@preaction> tavis?
03:12 < elnino> isn't it travis parker or parker travis at plainblacK?
03:12 < elnino> I saw travisto, assumed it was him.
03:19 <@preaction> that's tavis parker, yes
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03:27 < elnino> does travisto = travis parker?
03:36 < elnino> is that bad for me to ask on a chat?  sorry...
03:40 <@tavisto> elnino, it's fine. My name is Tavis Parker. No "r" :)
03:41 < elnino> sorry.  you call me returning my call to you. Just wondering how much SSL is on a single site hosting plan?  If this isn't appropriate on a chat, I can try to call tomorrow.
03:41 <@tavisto> If you're looking to use SSL on your supported hosting site, there is no charge from Plain Black's end.
03:42 <@tavisto> are you looking to use Itransact with WebGUI's shopping cart?
03:42 < elnino> cool. yep.
03:42 <@tavisto> alright, have you setup the itransact account through the directions in WebGUI?
03:43 < elnino> oh.. not yet. I'm wating to see if I get the gig or not.  If so, I'll be signing up right away.
03:44 <@tavisto> alright great. Well the only other expense you will incur is the activation of XML through the payment gateway
03:44 <@tavisto> it's only $5/month more and it's added to the merchant account fees you have to pay monthly
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03:46 <@tavisto> elnino, is this for a 7.4 site or are you going to be setting this up on a 7.5 site?
03:46 < elnino> 7.5 I assume.  do I have a choice with your hosting?
03:47 <@tavisto> oh that's true.. nm I forgot you're using our single site hosting.. heh, my brain is tired
03:48 <@tavisto> 7.5 will be on our servers fairly soon so you'll be developing on that.
03:48 < elnino> that's ok. latest and greatest is just fine for this application.
03:48 <@tavisto> great, well you'll love all of the new functionality the new shop has anyway.
03:49 < elnino> had some fun already!
03:49 <@tavisto> are you a WebGUI reseller?
03:51 < elnino> no.  I would love to be, but I don't have enough clients.
03:51 <@tavisto> ah okay, well it only takes a bit of time to make it to 5 and then agency hosting is the way to go.
03:51 <@tavisto> Are you Lauralyn btw?
03:51 < elnino> yes.
03:51 <@tavisto> ah okay I thought your question seemed very familiar :)
03:52 < elnino> you can take me off your "to call back list"
03:52 < elnino> =)
03:52 < elnino> thanks!
03:52 <@tavisto> yeah I was happy I could bury another email in my inbox
04:03 <@preaction> i'm happiest when tavisto has a lot of work
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04:18 < ShortWave> Hey all
04:18 < ShortWave> 'sup?
04:19 <@preaction> same old, same old
04:19 < ShortWave> yeah
04:19 < ShortWave> I hear that
04:19 < ShortWave> so I just discovered this
04:19 < ShortWave> after digging through like, a pile of different CMSes
04:19 < ShortWave> I need to setup a family site
04:20 < ShortWave> and I want no fuss, no muss
04:20 < ShortWave> but I gotta say
04:20 < ShortWave> Iphone guy's testimony...totally sold me
04:20 < ShortWave> heh
04:20 <@preaction> ahh. good ol maxscience
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04:25 < ShortWave> Wouldn't happen to be a Centos-compliant package of this is there?
04:25 < ShortWave> Maybe the Rhel one will work?
04:26 <@preaction> the RHEL one will work
04:26 <@preaction> as long as you use the right one, of course
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04:26 < ShortWave> helpful++
04:26 < ShortWave> aight, lemme see what I'm doing here
04:28 < ShortWave> Rhel5 I suppose?
04:30 <@preaction> dunno. CentOS 5?
04:30 <@preaction> what does your /etc/redhat-release say?
04:32 < ShortWave> Centos 5 r
04:32 < ShortWave> err
04:32 < ShortWave> 5
04:33 < ShortWave> Hrm....
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04:33 < ShortWave> I already have a whole setup with apache virtual servers and such
04:33 < ShortWave> I don't support this installs to somewhere..separate does it?
04:33 <@preaction> yes
04:33 < ShortWave> err, suppose, etc.
04:33 < ShortWave> Oh so totally separate and standalone then?
04:33 <@preaction> though, if you're brave enough, you can get WebGUI to run without the WRE
04:34 < ShortWave> I'm pretty brave
04:34 <@preaction> yes. the WRE needs to be installed to /data/wre
04:34 < ShortWave> Interesting
04:34 <@preaction> i suggest the WRE for ease-of-use and performance
04:34 < ShortWave> I would, however, need to run it on a diferent port
04:34 <@preaction> of course
04:34 < ShortWave> Just setup a forwarding page
04:34 <@preaction> the WRE has two configured apaches, one that runs on 80, one that runs on 8081. both ports are settable
04:35 < ShortWave> Ah, sexy
04:35 < ShortWave> I likes
04:35 <@preaction> but you wouldn't even need the one that runs on port 80, since you could theoretically use your existing apache for that
04:35 <@preaction> all the port 80 one does is serve static content (images mostly) and proxy requests to mod_perl, on port 8081
04:36 <@preaction> well, i'll let you see how it works, and try not to confuse you too much beforehand
04:37 < ShortWave> pretty tough to confuse me
04:37 <@perlmonkey2> patspam: you awake?
04:37 < patspam> yessir
04:37 <@perlmonkey2> how's the survey going?
04:37 < ShortWave> <--- perfessional web-type-due, has no fear.
04:37 < ShortWave> dude, etc.
04:37 < ShortWave> Just as an example
04:37 < patspam> ah haven't touched it man, been flat-out doing other dev
04:37 < patspam> how about you?
04:37 < ShortWave> I actually run Metadot on my server now 
04:38 < ShortWave> but I want something easy to use for the family
04:38 < patspam> and heading O/S for YAPC::Europe on sunday
04:38 < ShortWave> cuz christ, my wife has a huge-ass family
04:38 <@perlmonkey2> since we last talked I got a job.  But it looks like if I get a bunch of work done this week things will slow down and I can spend some time on it this weekend and next week.
04:39 <@perlmonkey2> congrats!  That should be a ton of fun.
04:39 < patspam> yeah should be great, my first YAPC
04:39 <@preaction> then you'll probably want to follow docs/install.txt, but then take the /data/wre/etc/yoursite.modproxy that gets created for your site and plug that into your existing port 80 Apache instance
04:39 < ShortWave> aight
04:39 <@perlmonkey2> patspam: Any personal heroes going to be there?
04:39 <@preaction> i mean, having three apache's running is just overkill. ;-)
04:39 < patspam> gosh, like all of em ;) I'm gonna be such a fan-boy 
04:40 <@perlmonkey2> heh, yeah, I'm right there with you.
04:40 < ShortWave> hahaha
04:40 < ShortWave> yeah...simple enough to figure a vhost to point where I want
04:41 < patspam> I thought I'd wait for you to do (or start) the JSON rewrite first since you're in a better position than me to do it
04:41  * ShortWave perks up.
04:41 <@perlmonkey2> patspam: yeah, I had worried that the client/server api might change
04:42 < ShortWave> Json support?
04:42 <@perlmonkey2> patspam: it probably needs to so the way data is slung around can be cleaned up
04:42 <@perlmonkey2> but the hardest part was actually making the YUI do all the crazy things we needed it to.  
04:43 <@perlmonkey2> ShortWave: rewriting the rewrite of the survey so that non-user response collateral is stored as JSON.  
04:43 < patspam> I'm actually doing a lot of YUI at the moment for my $work, so I might be able to help there
04:44 <@perlmonkey2> ShortWave: as is, put a few thousand responses and a few thousand questions in WG and the Survey2.0 takes 5 seconds to load a new page on a mid to low end machine.
04:44 <@perlmonkey2> patspam: sweet that is great.  But hopefully that is all worked out.
04:44 < ShortWave> Interestink
04:45 < ShortWave> I likes JSON
04:45 < ShortWave> Course I like Flex too
04:45 <@preaction> perlmonkey2, are you sure it's not something you can fix with proper indexes and better SQL optimization?
04:45 <@perlmonkey2> preaction: I've tried.  And I would love for some help.
04:46 <@perlmonkey2> preaction: But lets says a fully indexed table can return a query in 50ms.  10 queries is .5 seconds.
04:46 <@perlmonkey2> and on my machine "select 'x'" takes about 20ms.  
04:46 <@perlmonkey2> and on a really large table, 100ms is the norm.
04:46 <@preaction> 10 queries is 0.05 seconds you mean. 0.001 = 1 ms
04:48 <@perlmonkey2> right
04:48 <@perlmonkey2> no
04:48 <@perlmonkey2> .05 seconds for 1 query
04:49 <@perlmonkey2> hmm....something is different.  I just tested on my Q6600 and select 'x' is a tiny fraction of 1ms
04:49 <@preaction> the first time it gets cached usually
04:49 <@preaction> do you have a DB schema and the queries you're running against it?
04:50 <@perlmonkey2> maybe the problem was the hardware.  ATA100 on a P4 with 1MB ram
04:50 <@perlmonkey2> preaction: I don't have the queries broke out, but I can point you at the create sql
04:51 <@perlmonkey2> http://www.webgui.org/webgui/dev/discuss/survey3/4#jJ-PAioQBI5WNtWdCAcDvg
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04:54 <@preaction> perlmonkey2, first off, Survey_question needs an index on "assetId", since I assume you get the questions by assetId and then order by sequenceNumber, that will probably speed things up rather nicely
04:55 <@perlmonkey2> assetId is part of the primary key?
04:55 <@perlmonkey2> a seperate key with just the assetId?
04:55 <@preaction> yes
04:55 <@preaction> do "EXPLAIN SELECT * from Survey_question WHERE assetId="something"" and you'll probably see that no keys are used
04:56 <@perlmonkey2> I'm not sure I ever query just the assetId.  I think all the keys are, as best as I could, indexed with the queries.
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04:58 <@perlmonkey2> I'm sure I can do some refactoring and condense some logic.  But I think keeping the survey in a JSON colum would mean that when generating a new page to display I'd need 1 query to grab the previous response information and 1 query to get the survey.  Then an update to the response.  So 3 queries, 2 of which culd be combined.
04:58 < ShortWave> Hrm
04:58 < ShortWave> Error: Unable to open '/data/WebGUI/etc/log.conf.original': No such file or directory 
04:58 < ShortWave> now
04:58 < ShortWave> that says log.conf.original
04:58 < ShortWave> so I dunno if this is making a backup
04:58 < ShortWave> or trying to do something else
04:58 < ShortWave> but what do you think?
04:59 <@preaction> ShortWave, when did you get that error?
04:59 < ShortWave> pressing "manual install"
04:59 < ShortWave> Configuring WebGUI
04:59 <@perlmonkey2> And I ran some tests and a really really large survey shouldn't be larger than a few meg.
04:59 <@preaction> ShortWave, did you already unzip webgui to /data/WebGUI before pressing Manual Install?
04:59 < ShortWave> yuppers
05:00 <@preaction> and is there a /data/WebGUI/etc/log.conf.original?
05:00 < ShortWave> Hrm...
05:00 < ShortWave> wait, I just unzipped it into /data/
05:00 <@preaction> ShortWave, you realize the difference between the WRE and WebGUI, right?
05:00 <@preaction> you should just click Automatic Install, really
05:00 < ShortWave> I do now
05:00 <@preaction> perlmonkey2, but then your database normalization goes away :(
05:00 < ShortWave> :)
05:00 <@perlmonkey2> preaction: yeah, I completely agree.  That is a tough thing to swallow.  
05:00 < ShortWave> This is the price of having a wife in the room talking to me
05:01 <@perlmonkey2> preaction: it means no other wobjects building reports or doing anything except through the API.
05:01 <@perlmonkey2> user created custom reports can't be done.
05:01 <@preaction> perlmonkey2, which, though JT and others like, I personally hate
05:01 <@preaction> SQLReports for the Survey2 would be pwn
05:01 <@perlmonkey2> preaction: I love the idea of the speed, but cringe at what it does to the flexibility of the DB.
05:02 <@preaction> we can fix the speed of Survey2, at least, database-wise
05:02 <@perlmonkey2> preaction: I've spent some time on it trying.  
05:02 <@perlmonkey2> I guess I need to get a build going locally, but first I need to knock out a few more tickets :)
05:03 <@preaction> so when you query Survey_question normally, you grab things by "assetId=? and Survey_sectionId=?" correct? if so, then you'd still want a key just on assetId (since that will make that query only need to look at all the seconds for a single survey asset)
05:03 <@perlmonkey2> But if we could get the speed up to par then there really isn't that much to do.  Clean up the rough edges, refactor some ugliness, create some reports.
05:03 <@preaction> think of the index as a pre-sort. if we index based on assetId, we only have to do an expensive look at the ones that we already know belong to our asset
05:04 < ShortWave> aight, I gots management
05:04 < ShortWave> hrm
05:04 < ShortWave> lots of Json stuff
05:05 <@preaction> yeah, those are just warnings, you should be fine
05:06 < ShortWave> not what I meant
05:06 < ShortWave> config stuff
05:07 <@perlmonkey2> preaction: select q.* 
05:07 <@perlmonkey2>         from Survey_question q
05:07 <@perlmonkey2>         where q.Survey_sectionId = ? and q.sequenceNumber >= ? and q.sequenceNumber < ?
05:07 <@perlmonkey2>         order by q.sequenceNumber ASC
05:07 <@preaction> er... where's the assetId in there?
05:08 <@perlmonkey2> the sectionId will have made sure we're in the correct assetId
05:08 <@perlmonkey2> all unique WG id's
05:08 <@preaction> or are you just assuming that Survey_sectionId will be unique enough. if so, then you just want an index on the sectionId
05:08 <@perlmonkey2> so just index on the section.  Then maybe seperate indexes on the sequence?
05:10 <@perlmonkey2> this could work.  vastly decrease the size of the indexes.  I mean, there should be what, maybe 20 sections to a large survey.  Maybe 50 questions to a section?  Those are not a very large number or rows to then deal with.
05:10 <@perlmonkey2> and the response tables were always the really slow ones anyways.
05:11 <@preaction> if it really gets bad, you can use UNIONs of very small queries, as the latest SVN revision of WebGUI::Inbox does
05:11 <@preaction> but i don't think that will work in this situation
05:12 <@preaction> plus, keys get cached in memory, so it'll be crazy fast
05:13 <@perlmonkey2> this certainly would make cleaning up the survey2 much easier ;)
05:13 <@preaction> lastly, if things really really really get bad, i'm buying the High Performance MySQL book
05:13 < ShortWave> preaction: Ok, this I think is a real problem.
05:13 <@preaction> well, really, i bought it and it's at JT's house
05:14 <@preaction> ShortWave, pastebin the message and we'll try to work through it
05:14 < ShortWave> preaction: modproxy isn't starting
05:14 <@preaction> it won't start without modperl already started, which won't start without mysql already started
05:14 < ShortWave> modperl is started
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05:14 < ShortWave> mysql is started too
05:15 <@preaction> what does the modproxy error log say? it's in /data/wre/var/logs/modproxy.error.log
05:15 <@preaction> if it's about make_sock: 0.0.0.0:80 address already in use, then it didn't save your port configuration correctly
05:16 < ShortWave> ah...it's a port issue
05:16 < ShortWave> I just found that
05:16 < ShortWave> I set the proxy port to 81
05:17 < ShortWave> So where to look to fix that?
05:17 <@preaction> in /data/wre/etc/modproxy.conf
05:18 < ShortWave> listen 81
05:18 < ShortWave> so that's right
05:18 <@preaction> is 81 being used by anything?
05:19 < ShortWave> well it's trying to connect to 80
05:19 < ShortWave> not 81
05:19 < ShortWave> modperl's running on 8081
05:19 <@preaction> is there some other Listen 80 or *:80 or something in the modproxy.conf?
05:19 < ShortWave> nope
05:20 <@preaction> wait... did you run the WRE console as root?
05:20 < ShortWave> Yup
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05:22 <@preaction> dunno then. what is the exact error message?
05:23 < ShortWave> [Mon Aug 04 21:20:15 2008] [error] (111)Connection refused: proxy: HTTP: attempt to connect to 127.0.0.1:80 (localhost) failed
05:24 < ShortWave> hrm
05:25 <@preaction> oh, that looks like modproxy is trying to proxy port 80
05:25 <@preaction> which is weird
05:25 <@preaction> look in /data/wre/etc/yoursite.modproxy
05:25 < ShortWave> if I crank up my original server, I get the centos test page
05:26 < ShortWave> vhost on *.80
05:26 < ShortWave> rather, *:80
05:26 < ShortWave> ack
05:26 < ShortWave> *:81
05:27 <@preaction> right, but one of the last lines in the vhost block should be RewriteRule ^/(.*) http://%{SERVER_NAME}:80/$1 [P]
05:27 <@preaction> or something
05:27 <@preaction> the 80 should be 8081
05:28 < ShortWave> yeah I've got that
05:29 <@preaction> er... so you go to yoursite:81 and you don't see anything?
05:30 < ShortWave> with my original server shut down...
05:30 < ShortWave> modproxy won't start
05:30 <@preaction> and the error in the modproxy log is the one from above
05:30 < ShortWave> yup
05:31 <@preaction> and nowhere in the yoursite.modproxy or modproxy.conf is there something trying to proxy to port 80?
05:31 < topsub> is there a way to make profile detail page viewable by anyone?
05:31 <@preaction> pastebin your yoursite.modproxy perhaps?
05:31 <@preaction> topsub, you can set your profile to be publicly viewable yes
05:31 < topsub> is it per person you have to do that? Or is there a global setting?
05:32 < ShortWave> grep ":80" * in wre/etc shows me a bunch of lines that are commented out, or 8081
05:32 <@preaction> topsub, per person, but you can set the default for new users in the normal way (changing Visitor's profile)
05:32 < topsub> ah alright thanks alot!
05:33 < topsub> thanks preaction!
05:34 <@preaction> ShortWave, it might say "FAILED" or "Stopped", but it might still be started
05:35 <@preaction> what does ps -ax | grep "httpd" say? any with -D modproxy?
05:35 < ShortWave> is not starting
05:35 < ShortWave> or well
05:35 < ShortWave> wait
05:35 < ShortWave> I see -D modproxy
05:35 < ShortWave> in ps -ax
05:36 <@preaction> so modproxy is started
05:36 < ShortWave> Evidently...the green start button could use some feedback enhancement
05:37 <@preaction> feel free to submit a bug: http://webgui.org/bugs
05:37 <@preaction> might want to make sure it's not already reported though
05:37 < ShortWave> what should I look for spectre running?
05:38 < ShortWave> The screen looks the same
05:38 <@preaction> ps -ax | grep "spectre.pl"
05:39 < ShortWave> aight, that ain't running
05:41 < ShortWave> I'm gonna try a full restart
05:41 < ShortWave> see what happens
05:41 < ShortWave> maybe it's just something wonky somewhere
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05:42 < ShortWave> modproxy runs, spectre does not
05:45 < ShortWave> cranking up my original server, everything runs but spectre
05:45 < ShortWave> I get a testpage at myserver:81
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05:52  * perlmonkey2 gives up for the night
05:53 <@preaction> ShortWave, i would still venture that modproxy is accidentally proxying port 80 and not 8081 or something
05:53 <@preaction> did you add a site yet?
05:53 < ShortWave> I would say your assertion is correct
05:53 < ShortWave> yup
05:53 < ShortWave> I'm configuring that on 8081 now
05:53 < ShortWave> Don't think I really need modproxy in any event do I?
05:53 < ShortWave> I can setup a forwarder
05:54 <@preaction> well, you'll still want the configuration file, since it does things with /uploads and /extras that bypass WebGUI (and helps performance)
05:54 <@preaction> but you can put that config file in your own apache
05:54 <@preaction> by "that config file" i mean yoursite.modproxy
05:57 < ShortWave> aight
06:01 < ShortWave> Hrm
06:01 < ShortWave> Kinda diggin it
06:05 < ShortWave> In fact, I'm digging it so much
06:05 < ShortWave> I might migrate my metadot site to it tomorrow
06:05 <@preaction> so it's working?
06:06 < ShortWave> yeah, 8081 is working
06:06 < ShortWave> spectre doesn't wanna run
06:06 < ShortWave> modproxy I can configure into my base server so I ain't worried about that
06:08 < ShortWave> tho I gotta say, it feels like metadot in a lotta ways
06:09 <@preaction> spectre not wanting to run is bad. might want to change webguiIp in /data/WebGUI/etc/spectre.conf to 8081
06:09 < ShortWave> what does spectre do for me?
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06:10 <@preaction> spectre is the offline execution engine. it's a scheduler and handles other things that it's not possible to do through the UI
06:10 < ShortWave> ahhh
06:10 < ShortWave> ok
06:11 <@preaction> lots of things create "Workflows", which spectre then keeps track of and runs them at the appropriate time
06:11 <@preaction> or rather, tells WebGUI to run an activity in the workflow
06:11 <@preaction> but if you fix webguiPort in spectre.conf it should start up fine
06:11 < ShortWave> Ok so it's a sort of persistent execution engine that doesn't require page loads
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06:12 <@preaction> kinda, it still does its work through WebGUI, but it's not a browser so it's not limited to what browsers can do
06:12 < ShortWave> Ok
06:12 < ShortWave> So you can initiate a task and you don't have to make the browser wait for it
06:13 <@preaction> right
06:13 < ShortWave> Handy
06:13 < ShortWave> I like it
06:13 <@preaction> plus the scheduler
06:13 <@preaction> yes, spectre is awesome
06:13 < ShortWave> Aight, so how hard would it be to get this to serve XML?
06:14 < ShortWave> I imagine pretty trivial?
06:14 <@preaction> exceedingly trivial
06:14 < ShortWave> Coolio
06:14 < ShortWave> This is good
06:14 < ShortWave> I can use with Flex
06:14 <@preaction> i've got a presentation at the WebGUI Users Conference all about making templates to serve RSS where normally you'd get HTML
06:15 < ShortWave> Ah, sexy...so I can make a feed for <insert category> and massage the XML into what I want, and shove that into a Flex app
06:15  * ShortWave likes this...a lot
06:15 < ShortWave> Since this is a family website, one of the things I want to make is a cross-checking christmas list thing
06:16 < ShortWave> Family's so big that we have lots of same-buys
06:16 < ShortWave> So I want to apply a technological fix to it...instead of sending crap through email, and mixing up who's-who, I make an app that lets everyone know who go what for who (except for the who that was got for)
06:16 < ShortWave> :)
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06:17 <@preaction> doesn't amazon.com have a gift registry that would work for this?
06:17 <@preaction> this almost sounds like something nice for WebGUI
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06:17 <@preaction> though, couldn't you also make a WebGUI DataForm for people to register gifts anonymously? or something?
06:18 <@preaction> WebGUI just had a major rewrite of the commerce API, now called Shop. so a gift registry something-or-other would be a fun plugin
06:18 <@preaction> metadot is perl even?
06:20 < ShortWave> Metadot is perl yeah
06:20 < ShortWave> template toolkit even
06:20 <@preaction> mmm TT
06:20 <@preaction> that'll be the default in webgui soon
06:21 < ShortWave> and amazon.com...my registry idea would integrate theirs, and as many others as I could get away with
06:21 < ShortWave> Flex is pretty bad-ass
06:21 < ShortWave> Flex/AIR
06:21 < ShortWave> wanna see my project?
06:21 < ShortWave> You know what VMware is, right?
06:21 <@preaction> yes
06:21 <@preaction> i use Fusion on my mbp
06:22 < ShortWave> http://www.stormwind-studios.com/public/Kodiak6.jpg
06:22 < ShortWave> Management app for VMware ESX server in Adobe AIR.
06:22 < ShortWave> http://www.stormwind-studios.com/public/Kodiak5.jpg
06:23 < ShortWave> everything you see is generated by Flash/Flex/AIR
06:23 < ShortWave> and yes, you can interact with the consoles :)
06:23 < ShortWave> even while they're scaled
06:24 <@preaction> good lord
06:24 < ShortWave> heh
06:24 < ShortWave> I've gotten kinda accustomed to that reaction of late
06:25 <@preaction> though i am biased, the cmsmatrix confirms that WebGUI has more awesome than metadot
06:25 < ShortWave> I might be forced to agree, just in terms of usability
06:25 <@preaction> but then, the places where the more awesome is are probably not places you need it
06:25 < ShortWave> And metadot is kind of a bear to configure
06:26 < ShortWave> but once you've got it setup
06:26 <@preaction> yeah, that usability is going up soon hopefully
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06:26 < ShortWave> it's really pretty decent
06:26 <@preaction> my opinion is we still have a lot of work to do in that respect, especially the admin interface
06:26 < ShortWave> make the admin interface in Flex
06:26 < ShortWave> :)
06:26 < ShortWave> send XML packets
06:26 <@preaction> i wish
06:26 < ShortWave> hehe
06:26 < ShortWave> Hey, it'd be awesome
06:26 < ShortWave> Flex is free anyway
06:26 < ShortWave> AND open source
06:27 <@preaction> wait, free Flex SDK? free as in speech?
06:27 < ShortWave> how can you go wrong?
06:27 < ShortWave> Yesssss
06:27 < ShortWave> You didn't know that?
06:27 <@preaction> no... you may have just opened up a whole shipping container full of worms here ;-)
06:27 < ShortWave> http://opensource.adobe.com/wiki/display/flexsdk/Flex+SDK
06:27 < ShortWave> par for my course, really
06:28 < ShortWave> A. the flex SDK itself is free. They of course want you to buy Flash & Flex Builder, but you dn't really need them
06:28 < ShortWave> B. the Flex SDK has been opensourced.
06:28 < ShortWave> C. E4X. Need I say more?
06:28 <@preaction> one of the people from unitedknowledge are creating a flash-based slideshow that uses an XML feed, that might be using flex
06:28 < ShortWave> D. Webservices (SOAP & REST) FTW
06:29 < ShortWave> Very well may be
06:29 < ShortWave> It know it's very easily done of late.
06:29 < ShortWave> you ever work with e4x?
06:30 < ShortWave> It's like Xpath, but better
06:30 <@preaction> haven't even heard of it
06:30 < ShortWave> say I want all the shoe elements that are size ten
06:30 < ShortWave> as in <shoe size="10" type="whatever">
06:30 < ShortWave> I does
06:30 <@preaction> ahh, i tend to use JSON in these situations
06:30 < ShortWave> myDoc..shoe.(@size == 10);
06:31 < ShortWave> I gets the list of shoes that are size ten
06:31 < ShortWave> well
06:31 < ShortWave> JSON is great
06:31 < ShortWave> but
06:31 < ShortWave> there are times
06:31 <@preaction> yeah, but it's not XML
06:31 < ShortWave> where you needs more
06:31 < ShortWave> Like with RSS
06:31 < ShortWave> My VMware stuff is all XML
06:31 < ShortWave> the VI Api is a monstrous pile of WSDL
06:32 < ShortWave> did I say monstrous? I meant huge.
06:32 < ShortWave> Like gigantically huge. 2700+ data types in the schema.
06:33 < ShortWave> tho for something like VMWare, that's really to be expected
06:33 <@preaction> true
06:34 < ShortWave> So yeah
06:34 < ShortWave> I'd be all about flexing some front-end admin magic
06:34 < ShortWave> via JSON or whatever 
06:34 < ShortWave> Probably JSON for the admin stuff be more straightforward
06:35 <@preaction> most likely, though there is a Web Services client built-in to webgui
06:36 <@preaction> i'm, again, not really familiar with it, but i Know it can do SOAP
06:36 < ShortWave> client or server?
06:36 <@preaction> client
06:36 < ShortWave> Ok
06:36 < ShortWave> Interesting
06:36 < ShortWave> So it can talk to a remote SOAP source then
06:37 <@preaction> server, isn't SOAP just text? webgui rocks at text
06:37 < ShortWave> Flex would want to be a client as well
06:37 < ShortWave> SOAP is just XML
06:37 <@preaction> a payload in an XML envelope
06:37 < ShortWave> pretty much
06:37 <@preaction> so, yeah, you could make webgui into a soap server
06:38 < ShortWave> Hrm
06:38 < ShortWave> Tricky part would be supporting the operations
06:38 < ShortWave> SOAP is a little bit weird on the request stuff
06:38 < ShortWave> There's a whole request model and what-not involved
06:38 < ShortWave> It's not just about "Oh hey, here's a URL, with some parameters, gimme some data"
06:39 < ShortWave> ack
06:39 < ShortWave> I'm being paged
06:39 < ShortWave> Tell you what, I'll pop back in tomorrow
06:39 < ShortWave> wife needs my attention 
06:39 < ShortWave> l8r
06:39 <@preaction> we'll be here
06:39 < ShortWave> aight cool
06:39 < ShortWave> I'm out
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13:59 < BartJol> goodday
14:00 < BartJol> is there a way to get the default hide from navigation setting to no?
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15:52 < SDuensin> Morning.
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16:47 < ckotil> anyone know anything about a firefox that allows you to upload multiple files via the file pile?
16:47 < ckotil> http://www.plainblack.com/etcetera/ziparchive-not-expanding/ as colink stated here at the bottom
17:11 <@perlmonkey2> I've never heard of that ff addon, but a quick search for webgui in ff addons should find it if it exists.
17:18 < ckotil> sure enough. thanks
17:18 < ckotil> i did a google search for firefox drag drop , and found the same addon
17:19 < ckotil> it doesnt work well enough, still cannot drag multiple files
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17:36 < topsub> is there a macro yet where i can send a User Id to the macro and it returns first and last name?
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17:49 <@perlmonkey2> Is this bug something we want to alter WSClient for, wait until the new Sharp client is submitted and then merge it, or add it as an RFE?  http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/web-service-client-blocks-page-execution#gYONwl4g86Vin2R5_D4u3A
17:50 <@perlmonkey2> It looks like to fix it, there would need to be a flag in WSClient's definition setting it to .NET 
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18:26 < dionak> topsub, there's the user macro that returns profile fields for the current session user
18:26 <@perlmonkey2> Anyone know where I can find some syndicated content on the PB site?
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18:31 <@perlmonkey2> Could someone with manager access at PB take a look at this bug?  http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/add-to-cart-button-broken#nCiOC-vIM0cobTKRn1-CyQ
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19:39 <@perlmonkey2> Is there someone I should get approval of before I alter a template?  The Shelf template has wrapping issues caused by the View Cart div's css.  I simply put the products and the view cart in a table on two different rows.  Looks like it completely resolved the issue locally, but I want to make sure it passes muster with the WG designers.
19:39 < perlDreamer> perlmonkey2, you could check with either Tabitha or Steve
19:39 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: cool, thanks :)
19:42 < topsub> just fyi, it seems if you add a product to the shopping cart, then delete the product. the cart doesn't work after that
19:43 <@perlmonkey2> topsub: interesting, I'll check it out
19:43 < topsub> i clear the cart, and cartItems tables and it works again
19:45 <@perlmonkey2> topsub: hmm, probably a bug, but probably not an important one.  How often will users be purchasing something and then have the site delete that item?
19:45 < topsub> rare.. but just wanted you guys to know about it
19:51 < perlDreamer> perlmonkey2, what if the user deletes the product, then tries to add another one?
19:51 < perlDreamer> that's a much more common use case
19:53 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: I'm not sure I follow.  Customers can't create products.  And why would a site admin be purchasing something from their site?
19:53 < perlDreamer> topsub said that if you add a product to the cart, then delete the product.  Did he mean delete the asset, or remove the product (item) from the cart?
19:53 <@perlmonkey2> corse I just completed a purchase (with receipt) of an item I'd just deleted.
19:54 <@perlmonkey2> I thought he meant delete the asset.
19:54 <@perlmonkey2> ?
19:54 < perlDreamer> ah, in that case, my bad
19:54 < topsub> like delete the product.. asset
19:54 < topsub> so the product isn't in the system anymore
19:55 <@perlmonkey2> but a products purge should probably remove it from all carts
19:56 <@perlmonkey2> topsub: wait until monday to report that bug :D
19:56 < perlDreamer> carts are tied to sessionIds, so it can't do that without manually scanning every cart in the system
19:56 < perlDreamer> it's better to trap it in viewing the cart
19:56 < perlDreamer> and display a message to the user
19:56 < perlDreamer> "UR CARTZ IS BOR KED! HAHAHA!"
19:56 <@preaction> is there not a cartItem table it could delete from?
19:57 < perlDreamer> JSON?
19:57 <@preaction> you're joking...
19:57 < perlDreamer> I'm scared, and checking
19:57  * perlmonkey2 fears the JSON
19:57 < perlDreamer> nope, it's a column
19:57 <@perlmonkey2> We need a 1337 way of spelling JSON
19:57 < perlDreamer> JAYSAWN
19:58 <@perlmonkey2> hah, I like
19:58 <@preaction> J50N
19:58 <@perlmonkey2> doh!
19:58 < perlDreamer> ]50N
19:58 <@perlmonkey2> I like both.  Now when we need a disparaging way of referring to JSON, there you go
19:58 < perlDreamer> ]5()N
19:59 < perlDreamer> ]5()|\|
19:59 <@perlmonkey2> okay that last just sums it all up
20:00 < juan> i have a problem with the dataform
20:00 <@perlmonkey2> juan: hopefully not with dates or datetimes?
20:01 < juan> i was using WebGUI 7.4.18 and i am creating an application using dataforms
20:01 < perlDreamer> juan, have you searched the buglist to see if the problem has been reported (or fixed)?
20:02 < juan> i have created some fields as displayed type and in its default values i have put some html code that is showed correctly
20:02 <@perlmonkey2> only 12 bugs left that I haven't resolved or ruled out my ability to resolve.  Whew, I'm on fire.
20:02 < juan> now i updated to the latest version and that fields don't show me the html correctly
20:03 < perlDreamer> perlmonkey2: yung has closed 2-3 today, too
20:03 <@perlmonkey2> today is looking like it will be a really good day.
20:04 < juan> it is showing me the html tags
20:06 <@perlmonkey2> juan what type of data is showing the html tags?
20:06 <@perlmonkey2> oh, sorry, just read your previous 
20:07  * perlDreamer mutters "cross-site scripting prevention"
20:07 < perlDreamer> and suggests reading through the changelog
20:07 < juan> displayed
20:08 <@perlmonkey2> juan: bear with a moment, but I don't see that you can set a field type to "displayed"
20:08 < juan> i created some fields type displayed in 7.4.18 and in its default value, i put html code and it was showed correctly
20:09 <@perlmonkey2> so the status is displayed, what is the type?
20:09 < juan> excuseme
20:10 < juan> yes
20:10 < juan> status
20:10 < juan> the type is text
20:12 < juan> and now in the latest version of webgui the fields don't convert the tags
20:13 <@preaction> you mean they do convert the tags, since they're not displaying as they were before.
20:13 < juan> is showing the html code
20:14 <@preaction> the previous behavior was an unintended feature. there was a bug in the DataForm that was fixed, but now your unintended feature is gone
20:14 <@preaction> if you're on the latest version, you should check out Thingy
20:14 <@preaction> it will probably let you do what you want
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20:15 < juan> mmmm
20:16 < juan> so, i can not combine fields types and status to show a html code
20:16 < juan> in the latest version
20:17 <@preaction> apparently not. can you put an HTML Area in a dataform?
20:18 < juan> i am going to verify with html area
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20:25 < elnino> hi!  Got another possible gig.  Would the ecommerce portion of webgui allow selling of collateral?  ebooks, mp3, and other downloads?  She also would like to only allow the user to download for a specific time period.- Which I believe would have to be custom.
20:28 < perlDreamer> elnino, I think so.  You would use a Subscription to add the user to a group.  Downloaded content would be viewable only by that group.  The subscription would need to end the right way, that's the part I'm not sure about.
20:28 <@perlmonkey2> This sounds kind of critical.  Someone with access might want to check it out: http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/transactions-appear-w/-no-item#IJsQljyGG98V-GnZ3OUykw
20:29 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: how would you trigger the subscriptions end upon a download?
20:29 < perlDreamer> perlmonkey2, that's the stickler.
20:29 < elnino> hmmm.  I guess don't know about subscriptions. 
20:30 < elnino> like with a work flow?
20:30 < perlDreamer> they're in 7.5.10 and above
20:30 < elnino> figures.
20:30 < perlDreamer> there are subscriptions in 7.4, too
20:30 < perlDreamer> but I don't know if they work the same or not
20:31 <@perlmonkey2> preaction: Do you think I should bump Kristi's successful transaction with no recorded item bug to the staff email?  
20:33 <@preaction> perlmonkey2, the people who would look at it aren't here today, so you might just want to take a look and see what you can do
20:33 <@perlmonkey2> preaction: I don't have access to the Shop on PB.  
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20:37 < elnino> darn, I had a question for tavis too.
20:38 < perlDreamer> elnino, whang it on out there anyway
20:39 <@preaction> perlmonkey2, do you have AIM or something?
20:39 < elnino> I'm assuming that on the single hosting plan that plain black has, I'm not able to do custom code stuff like this.  Just wondeirng if I would if I did the reseller package.
20:39 <@perlmonkey2> preaction: yes sire
20:39 < perlDreamer> On any shared hosting, no custom code.
20:40 < perlDreamer> On the reseller package, you'd have to ask Tavis that one.  It depends on how it's set up.
20:40 <@preaction> resellers, if i'm not mistaken, get a custom box. but i'm not sure if we allow custom code
20:40 < perlDreamer> However, if you can get your "custom" code into WebGUI, then it would work on shared hosting.
20:41 < elnino> that of course assumes I have time to setup a box at home.to even do it.  READ: I dont' have a dev box yet. I know. Bad.
20:43 < elnino> are subscriptions for, like, newletter signups?
20:43 < perlDreamer> In WebGUI, subscriptions give you time limited access to groups.
20:44 < perlDreamer> What you do with the groups is up to you.
20:44 < elnino> oh.  that seems handy.. is there affliate program (like banner ads) management?  
20:45 < perlDreamer> Yes x 2.
20:45 < perlDreamer> There is ad management
20:45 < elnino> cool.
20:45 < perlDreamer> and you can handle affiliation, but I'm not familiar with that part of wG.
20:46 < elnino> ok. If I set up anther beta site, can have it for more than just a day? I need to see if what she wants is doable.
20:46 < perlDreamer> elnino, why not download a copy of the WRE and set up a dev box on your laptop/desktop?
20:48 < elnino> because I'm afaid =)  . my first and *only* experience in installing webgui took me 3 weeks @ full time,  because I coudn't use WRE, and it's been as solid as a rock since. (READ: no back upsystem, I know... very bad)
20:48 < perlDreamer> makes sense
20:49 < elnino> and my laptop is microsoft as opposed to linux, which is what i"m used to as far as webgui goes.
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20:49 < perlDreamer> How about a Linux VM on top of Windows?  VirtualBox from Sun is free.
20:50 < elnino> oh hi tavis!  another question... does the reseller program give you a shared box or custom box?
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21:09 < elnino> perldreamer. linuxvm -  doesnt your hardware have to be able to support that?
21:12 <@perlmonkey2> elnino: I think VM servers like VMWare barely use any extra resources as apposed to running linux on bare metal.  So the system requirements shouldn't go up very much.
21:12 < elnino> mabe I'm getting mixed up with virtual pc... Which Linux platform to you recommend in the virual box? do you use it currently?
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21:15 < knowmad> Can WebGUI do SMTP authentication against an outgoing mail server?
21:21 <@perlmonkey2> elnino: personally I use RH or its no support free version CentOS for my WRE/WG instances.  But I believe Debian is about to support it as an included package.
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21:25 < elnino> oh.. so are there only certain OSs that WRE supports (or vise versa?)
21:26 < elnino> never mind. I see it on the website..
21:26 < elnino> What's the VMWare.. Is that a VM+Webgui bundled in one thing?
21:29 <@perlmonkey2> elnino: no, vmware would be something you could run in windows that would contain a linux instance.  So it would be linux running in a window inside of Windows.
21:29 <@perlmonkey2> Although a production WG instance should probably be on dedicated hardware, so I don't know why you would want to do this.
21:30  * perlmonkey2 goes to read through the previous comments to see how we got here.
21:31 < elnino> isn't that what a linuxvm is on top of windows?   I"m just looking at this for dev purposes.
21:31 <@perlmonkey2> sure, that would work fine.
21:32 <@perlmonkey2> someone should build an image all set up to go and post it for download :)
21:32 < elnino> is the vmware appliance 7.5.x?
21:33 < elnino> i mean, does the vmware appliance contain the latest webgui?
21:33 < elnino> no. nevermind. it looks like iss 7.4.25
21:34 < elnino> so I'm back to virtual box from sun with a WRE. right?
21:34 < elnino> and a linux os of my choice.
21:34 <@perlmonkey2> elnino: I don't know about any vm with animage that already contains the WRE.
21:34 < elnino> right, Three different installs.
21:39 < elnino> so to make sure, because this is all new, on my windows vista or xp machine (haven'tdecided which) I install virtualbox from sun, then install mostlikely redhat, then install WRE.
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21:42 <@perlmonkey2> elnino: I'm unsure about virtualbox or how it works, but if it will run linux os on a windows host, then you should be able to run the WRE inside of it.  
21:45 < elnino> yep. perldreamer suggested virtualbox.  and that's my understanding.
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21:56 < knowmad> perlDreamer: does the Send.t mail test actually send or queue emails? I need to test outgoing mail processing on a server.
21:57 < knowmad> i don't see either method being called :(
21:57 < knowmad> btw, i'm looking a 7.4.40 release
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22:31 < perlDreamer> knowmad, t/Mail/Send.t does send emails
22:31 < perlDreamer> in 7.5
22:31 < perlDreamer> no reason you couldn't backport the test to 7.4 if you needed
22:31 < perlDreamer> it tries to start a little dummy SMTP server in t/smptd.pl
22:32 < knowmad> perlDreamer: excellent
22:33 < knowmad> another question: does 7.5 support smtp auth? i'm needing to send mail using PLAIN auth against an external SMTP server
22:33 < knowmad> it looks like Net::SMTP can do it but i want to test
22:33 < knowmad> there's also Net::SMTP::TLS
22:34 < perlDreamer> No idea on that one, knowmad
22:35 < perlDreamer> offhand, if there's no username and password fields in the settings I would say that it doesn't
22:35 < perlDreamer> but that's pure guessing
22:35 <@preaction> no, it doesn't
22:35 <@preaction> but there's an RFE out for it, and it shouldn't be too difficult to add really
22:36 < perlDreamer> in other words, patches welcome? :)
22:36 < topsub> hmm how can i populate a session with cart items so i can test a macro? I am adding children, then applying Options. but doesn't seem to get set back to the session?
22:36 <@preaction> essentially
22:37 < perlDreamer> sessions don't have cartItems
22:38 < topsub> hmmm..
22:38 < perlDreamer> knowmad: here's that RFE
22:38 < perlDreamer> http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/smtp-authentication-missing#Pavd_CrL5VkGCZGlNXH_Lw
22:38 < perlDreamer> it even has a rudimentary patch
22:39 < perlDreamer> since the RFE is ranked, once there's a patch there's no reason it couldn't be added
22:39 < perlDreamer> especially if there was a test for it :)
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22:43 < perlDreamer> okay, now I'm really going to get some lunch
22:43 < topsub> When i add items to cart it will be linked based on the session right?
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22:44 < topsub> so when i create a test session. add a product asset and applyoptions then add it to cart, then pass the session along to my macro to test items in the cart
22:45 <@preaction> that sounds like it should work
22:46 < topsub> when i do the my $cart = WebGUI::Shop::cart->newBySession($session). it contains something i'm not expecting which makes me think i am doing soemthing wrong
22:46 < topsub> it outputs "bless( do{\(my $o = undef)}, 'WebGUI::Shop::CartItem' );"
22:47 <@preaction> so it's giving you a WebGUI::Shop::CartItem object
22:47 < topsub> ah, so thats the cartitem object?
22:48 <@preaction> no, that's not how it should work
22:48 <@preaction> it's WebGUI::Shop::Cart->newBySession( $session ); right? capital-C on Cart
22:49 < topsub> correct
22:51 <@preaction> and when you use Data::Dumper to take a look, it's blessed into WebGUI::Shop::Cart, right?
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22:52 < CIA-6> WebGUI: tabitha * r7165 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.5.19/root_import_shelf2_shelf.css.wgpkg: Fixed wrapping problem in shelf css by standardizing box size for the product
22:52 < CIA-6> WebGUI: chrisn * r7166 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Fixed: Thingy importing with newlines embedded in CSV fields
22:52 < topsub> when i ... 	print Dumper(@{$cart->getItems});.. bless( do{\(my $o = undef)}, 'WebGUI::Shop::CartItem' );
22:53 < topsub> then when i Data::Dump the item from a foreach loop its the same WebGUI::Shop::CartItem.. hmm
22:53 < topsub> doesn't seem right
22:53 <@preaction> oh, getItems returns a bunch of WebGUI::Shop::CartItems, yes
22:53 <@preaction> that's right
22:54 < topsub> i want to get opitions from each item
22:55 < topsub> when i loop over the CartItems i want to say get a certain json option
22:55 <@preaction> options meaning from the underlying Product asset?
22:55 < topsub> yes
22:56 <@preaction> first, did you try CartItem->get( "options" )?
22:56 < elnino_laptop> when you roll back a version tag, they don't go to the "working version tags" do they?
22:56 <@preaction> otherwise, CartItem->getSku will get you the Product asset
22:56 <@preaction> elnino_laptop, no. all revisions in there get purged, unrecoverable
22:56 < elnino_laptop> k. and there isn't a why to deny after it's already been approved, right?
22:57 < elnino_laptop> s/why/way
22:57 < topsub> then from getSku i can get the options?
22:58 < topsub> almost something like.. http://webgui.pastebin.com/m29df4138
22:58 <@preaction> topsub, getSku gives you a WebGUI::Asset::Sku subclass. that's the actual product asset
22:59 <@preaction> elnino_laptop, no, there is currently no way to "de-commit". I want to add one though. It might go into 7.6 if I have time
22:59 < elnino_laptop> ok. Thanks for confirming.
22:59 < perlDreamer> topsub, that's Class::InsideOut
22:59 < perlDreamer> No more hacking inside objects
22:59 < perlDreamer> it's either API, or nada
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23:01 <@preaction> perlmonkey2, can i bug you about your forceSecureConnection sub for a bit?
23:03 < knowmad> OK, i'm looking for an alternative to SMTP authentication and am thinking about using the built-in messaging system.
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23:05 < knowmad> What's the library that handles internal messaging?
23:05 <@preaction> WebGUI::Inbox
23:05 <@preaction> WebGUI::Inbox::Send i think
23:06 < knowmad> thanks
23:06 < perlDreamer> knowmad, I don't think WebGUI does purely internal messaging
23:06 < perlDreamer> Everything in the Inbox also goes out over SMTP
23:07 <@preaction> perlDreamer, that's a side-effect, only if the user has an e-mail specified and wants them to go out
23:08 < topsub> my options is coming back null so i think my test cart i am trying to fake is wrong
23:08 <@preaction> topsub, pastebin your latest code somewhere?
23:09 < knowmad> i don't really care if it goes out as it's going into the cyber bit bucket; i just need another mechanism for getting a message to the client
23:09 < topsub> test is above and macro below..
23:09 < topsub> http://webgui.pastebin.com/m320c2f11
23:10 < knowmad> once we get SMTP working, then the client should be really happy
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23:11 < perlDreamer> topsub, no variants
23:11 < perlDreamer> you need to add variants to a Product
23:12 < topsub> hmm..
23:12 < perlDreamer> what you're trying might work, but it's not the "front door"
23:13 < topsub> we are pushing extra json objects into the options column in cartItems andwe want to pull out the extra items.. Thought apply options would allow me to just directly populate that column
23:13 < topsub> well extra items into the json
23:13 < knowmad> perlDreamer: are you talking to topsub or me? ;)
23:13 < perlDreamer> to topsub, knowmad
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00:13 < perlDreamer> MrHairgrease, you big graduated Eurotrash Monster.
00:14 <+MrHairgrease> *Fashionable* Eurotrash Monster
00:14 <+MrHairgrease> what's up?
00:14 < perlDreamer> Hacking chips
00:14 <+MrHairgrease> nice
00:14 <+MrHairgrease> so you have to do stuff for $dayjob again?
00:14 < perlDreamer> yeah, too much now
00:14 < perlDreamer> Working overtime is optional.  You either do it, or get fired.
00:15 <+MrHairgrease> that's what you get for months of inactivity I guess...
00:15 <+MrHairgrease> hehe
00:15 <+MrHairgrease> Sounds like you need to go work for oqapi
00:15 < perlDreamer> Why don't you hire me to be your loyal perl serf?
00:15 <+MrHairgrease> Since I'm Joeri's slave
00:15 <+MrHairgrease> consequently he does the hiring
00:16 < perlDreamer> Random question: What one thing about WebGUI pisses you off the most?
00:16 <+MrHairgrease> JT
00:16 <+MrHairgrease> =)
00:16 < perlDreamer> aw, he's not even hire to kick you out of the channel
00:16 <+MrHairgrease> just kidding of course
00:16 <+MrHairgrease> too bad he's not here
00:16 < perlDreamer> How about codewise?
00:16 <+MrHairgrease> hmm
00:17 <+MrHairgrease> well
00:17 <+MrHairgrease> while making my graphing pluging talk...
00:17 <+MrHairgrease> ..I was totally pissed off about the plugins work
00:17 <+MrHairgrease> Instead of the hip definition {} method
00:18 <+MrHairgrease> it was built around the (at that time more common) getEditForm /processEditFrm tc methods
00:18 <+MrHairgrease> which results in needless codeduplication
00:18 <+MrHairgrease> i mean
00:18 < perlDreamer> yes
00:18 <+MrHairgrease> it's easy to make plugins all the same
00:18 <+MrHairgrease> but it could be more easy
00:18 <+MrHairgrease> and 
00:18 <+MrHairgrease> more importantly
00:19 <+MrHairgrease> less tedious
00:19 <+MrHairgrease> and error prone
00:19 < perlDreamer> You know that's possible now?  I added an automatic form builder to HTMLForm
00:19 < perlDreamer> you pass it a data structure
00:19 <+MrHairgrease> I figure in the next major I can add a definition system though
00:19 < perlDreamer> that looks suspiciuosly like a definition system
00:19 <+MrHairgrease> yeah I know
00:19 < perlDreamer> and it just works
00:19 <+MrHairgrease> indeed
00:20 <+MrHairgrease> but still some stuff needs to be changed I guess
00:20 <+MrHairgrease> anyway
00:20 <+MrHairgrease> I'm gonna look into that a bit more and add that to my presentation
00:20 < perlDreamer> cool
00:20 < perlDreamer> I think we need a yearly API update for developers
00:20 < perlDreamer> "What's new in WebGUI this year"
00:21 <+MrHairgrease> as far as complaints of important parts of the code are concerned
00:21 <+MrHairgrease> I'm not really sure
00:21 <@perlmonkey2> who needs a beer fax?
00:21 <+MrHairgrease> I have been so busy doing all this graduation stuff and finishing my part of C2 in time
00:21 <@perlmonkey2> 1:40 until beer thirty.
00:22 <+MrHairgrease> that I didn't kept up to date with all the changes as much as I should
00:22 <+MrHairgrease> beer!
00:22 <+MrHairgrease> good idea
00:22 < knowmad> perlDreamer ++
00:22 <@perlmonkey2> MrHairgrease: it should be well past beer thirty at your locale
00:22 <+MrHairgrease> what do you mean by 1:40 until beer thirty. btw
00:22 <@perlmonkey2> 1 hour 40 minutes :D
00:23 <@perlmonkey2> or 6pm here
00:23 <+MrHairgrease> you only start drinking at 6??
00:23 <@perlmonkey2> which is my attempt at an extra bit of humor as beer thirty would be falling on an hour.
00:23 <+MrHairgrease> you have some serious problem in the usa =)
00:23 < perlDreamer> I'll see if I can work a little API update into my Common WebGUI Programming mistakes talk
00:23 < perlDreamer> since it would be a mistake not to use the new API :)
00:23 <@perlmonkey2> MrHairgrease: well, when I'm employed and talking on a channel full of coworkers, that's all i'll admit to :P
00:24 <+MrHairgrease> hehe
00:24 <+MrHairgrease> you should start working for oqapi too
00:24 <+MrHairgrease> =)\
00:24 < perlDreamer> Is oqapi hiring?
00:24 <+MrHairgrease> dunno
00:24 <+MrHairgrease> as joeri
00:24 <+MrHairgrease> sk*
00:24 <+MrHairgrease> ask*
00:24  * perlDreamer thinks you need more beer
00:24  * MrHairgrease thinks so too
00:25 < perlDreamer> it's 10:30 over in the Netherlands?
00:25 < perlDreamer> or am I a timezone off?
00:25 <+MrHairgrease> hang on while I walk to the fridge
00:25 <+MrHairgrease> 11:30
00:25 <@perlmonkey2> that's the problem, I hear about a good job and then some guru comes stomping over me to take it (perlDreamer)
00:25 < perlDreamer> You can't have _all_ the choice jobs, perlmonkey2
00:25 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: When I'm King for a day, I'll give *all* choice jobs to myself!
00:26 < knowmad> has anyone used WebGUI::Inbox::Message to send an internal email?
00:26 < perlDreamer> Sorry knowmad, no.
00:26 <+MrHairgrease> nope
00:26 <+MrHairgrease> pd: what part do you hate most?
00:27 < knowmad> well, me either! it's not working ;-)
00:27 <@preaction> knowmad, ask your question perhaps?
00:27 <+MrHairgrease> codewise
00:27 < perlDreamer> MrHairgrease, I'd tell you, but that would ruin my presentation :)
00:27 < perlDreamer> It's game show style
00:27 <+MrHairgrease> WHEEL
00:27 < perlDreamer> I put up bad code, first person with the correct answer wins
00:27 <+MrHairgrease> OF
00:27 <+MrHairgrease> FORTUNE!!!
00:27 <+MrHairgrease> oh cool
00:27 < knowmad> best i can come up with (besides how to do it) is whether I need to be sending some other parameters to addMessage() method besides subject, message, userId, and status
00:28 <+MrHairgrease> I once attended something like that at the Dutch Perl Workshop
00:28 < perlDreamer> I was going to use chocolate as the prize, but for you I'll add in a beer.
00:28 <+MrHairgrease> that were hard problems
00:28 <+MrHairgrease> woot
00:28 < knowmad> i'll be there
00:29 <@perlmonkey2> beer and chocolate?  no fair, pd will be stealing all the attendees.
00:29 <+MrHairgrease> knowmad: did you try grepping the codebase
00:29 < knowmad> preaction: anything i need to do after calling addMessage?
00:29 <+MrHairgrease> and see the thing in action?
00:29 < perlDreamer> ->send ?
00:29 < knowmad> yeah, that's where i found the example in activity that notifies of pending commits
00:29 <+MrHairgrease> and that works right
00:30 < knowmad> doh!
00:30 <+MrHairgrease> I know it does in 7.4.something
00:30 < knowmad> looks like create on Inbox returns a wg::Mail::Send object
00:30 <@preaction> knowmad, looks like no. there's no method in WebGUI::Inbox::Message for "sending" or anything
00:30 < perlDreamer> right.  You send what it returns
00:31 <+MrHairgrease> yeah
00:31 <+MrHairgrease> that makes sense
00:31 < knowmad> preaction: that's what i thought but i think pd might be onto something
00:31 < knowmad> need to look at it again tonite
00:31 < knowmad> time to close down shop
00:31 < perlDreamer> knowmad, I guess we need an Inbox test, too :(
00:32 < knowmad> yep, i think that'd be good
00:32 < knowmad> it's just that i'm working on an old version of 7.4
00:32 < knowmad> on windows across RDP
00:32 < CIA-6> WebGUI: frank * r7168 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Fixed issue where keywords field is not available in Form post tempalte
00:33 < perlDreamer> oy
00:33 <+MrHairgrease> ha
00:33 <+MrHairgrease> some people have all the fun
00:33 < knowmad> using a left-handed mouse that reverts to being right-handed in Windoze
00:33 < perlDreamer> and typing uphill on the way to and from work?
00:33 <+MrHairgrease> while running on a treadmill to power the box?
00:33 < knowmad> joy joy!
00:33 < knowmad> MHG: you got it, my friend
00:33 < perlDreamer> It's going to be good to see you guys again
00:34 < knowmad> yup
00:34 < knowmad> cheers; ya'll have a good evening
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00:34 <+MrHairgrease> Hear hear! I also like to see myself
00:43 <@perlmonkey2> Okay, this is a bit disturbing.  I've updated the wre, and wg to the latest.  Deleted my site and used the wreconsole to build another.  non-admin users no longer can purchase products, only admin is offered the ability to pay.
00:43 < perlDreamer> check groupToUse in the Payment Methods in the Shop settings
00:44 <@perlmonkey2> Everyone
00:44 <@perlmonkey2> for cash
00:44 <@perlmonkey2> everyone for itransct
00:44 < perlDreamer> anything in webgui.log?
00:45 <@perlmonkey2> nothign
00:46 < perlDreamer> I gotta go to a meeting, I'll be back in a while
00:46 <+MrHairgrease> also be sure to check the modperl log
00:46 <@perlmonkey2> I guess I'll trace it to see where it is failing, but I was really hoping there was some new functionality I hadn't heard of yet.  I'm supposed to be closing tickets, not creating htem :P
00:46 <+MrHairgrease> somehow some errors tend to end up in ther
00:46 <@perlmonkey2> MrHairgrease: I keep a tab open with 'tail -f /data/wre/var/logs/*' to see everythign :P
00:46 <+MrHairgrease> ok
00:46 <+MrHairgrease> It used to work right?
00:47 <@perlmonkey2> yes 
00:47 <@perlmonkey2> shouldn't take me long to put a trace in it and see wha'ts going on....
00:47 <+MrHairgrease> then what you could try to trace it more quickly is take a diff of the files in the Shop dir
00:47 <@perlmonkey2> good poitn
00:47 <+MrHairgrease> against a rev in which it did stilll work
00:48 <+MrHairgrease> i guess you know about svnweb right?
00:48 <@perlmonkey2> yep
00:48 <@perlmonkey2> wait
00:48 <@perlmonkey2> svnweb?
00:48 <@perlmonkey2> a web interface?
00:48 <+MrHairgrease> https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/browse/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Shop/
00:49 <@perlmonkey2> well that is really nice
00:49 <+MrHairgrease> superhandy
00:49 <+MrHairgrease> i use it all the time
00:50 <+MrHairgrease> use the revision log link top left
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00:50 <@perlmonkey2> nice
00:50 <@perlmonkey2> bookmarked :)
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00:59 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: you were right, this user can't use the gateway, but I'm not sure why since "everyone" can use it.
00:59 <@perlmonkey2> but gateway->canuse is 0
01:02  * perlDreamer does a svn blame, and starts to sweat
01:02  * MrHairgrease only praises pd
01:04 <@perlmonkey2> $self->get('groupToUse') is......{play big reveal music}....undef!
01:06 < perlDreamer> the JSON in the db looks bad
01:06 < perlDreamer> it's missing fields
01:06 < perlDreamer> label, enabled, saleNotificationGroupid
01:10 < perlDreamer> It's in the create.sql script that way
01:11 <@perlmonkey2> oh noes
01:11 < perlDreamer> that means it's in 7.5.18
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01:11 <+MrHairgrease> but only for newly crerated sites
01:11 <+MrHairgrease> so the scope is limited
01:12 <+MrHairgrease> not saying that it's not bad
01:12 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: are you talking to me about the paymentGateway options column?
01:12 < perlDreamer> yes
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01:12 <@perlmonkey2> because those keys aren't in there.  I see receiptEmailTemplateId with a value and groupToUse as null
01:12 < perlDreamer> right
01:12 < perlDreamer> there should be other fields, too
01:12 <@perlmonkey2> so all those keys you mentioned should ...okay
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01:14 < perlDreamer> it's that way in 7.5.13
01:14 <@perlmonkey2> A) I can reverse eng what needs to be in there or B) someone can post some JSON from their handy dandy working gateways or C) some extremely helpful, generous, and exceptional citizen could resolve this.
01:14 <+MrHairgrease> pm2: check PayDriver->definition
01:14 <@perlmonkey2> k
01:14 <+MrHairgrease> those fields are in there
01:15 <+MrHairgrease> so they also should be in the json
01:15 < perlDreamer> It needs to be posted as a bug, and then fixed
01:15 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: okay, but it will be top on my list since it is impeding my other fixing of da bugs
01:15 <+MrHairgrease> prolly clicking save in the paydriver edit screnn will fix it
01:15 < perlDreamer> it looks like an upgrade problem from 7.5.10/11
01:15 < perlDreamer> they were created that way, since they're in the upgrade script
01:16 < perlDreamer> but if the default site never had a configured payment gateway, then it's only a setup problem.
01:16 <@perlmonkey2> MrHairgrease++
01:16 <+MrHairgrease> yeah that must be it
01:16 <@perlmonkey2> okay, that bug goes to the bottom of the list.
01:16 <+MrHairgrease> i wrote the stuff in the upgradescript that converts payment gateways from the old to the new system
01:16 < perlDreamer> I might try fixing it tonight
01:16 <+MrHairgrease> and it worked when i checked it
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01:18 < elnino> hi. could webgui do fee-based membership for forums and such?
01:19 <+MrHairgrease> yes
01:19 <+MrHairgrease> set up a subscrition for a group
01:19 < perlDreamer> elnino, subscriptions -> groups again
01:19 < topsub> Doesn't seem to be an easy way to grap the options from the cartItems table and display them on the page?
01:19 <+MrHairgrease> and then make the cs only visible for that group
01:20 < topsub> Seems i need to rebuild the whole view cart page to do this
01:20 < elnino> is topsub responding to me, or is that a different conversation I interrupted?
01:21 < elnino> I gues I have to seriously look at subscriptions.. Thanks!
01:21 < topsub> i am kinda starting my own sorry elnino
01:21 <+MrHairgrease> topsub is talking about something else
01:21 <+MrHairgrease> i think most cart info is in json
01:21 < elnino> ok. Hard to tell sometimes.
01:22 <+MrHairgrease> but dunno for sure
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01:22 <+MrHairgrease> check that in the code
01:22 <+MrHairgrease> if it is, you should use the api to get everything out
01:22 < topsub> I want to display it on the page
01:22 <+MrHairgrease> you could make a macro
01:23 < topsub> in the loop there isn't a product ID or anything i could send to the macro to know what options to pull
01:23 <+MrHairgrease> check out the minicart macro
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01:23 <+MrHairgrease> what i meant is:
01:24 <+MrHairgrease> make a macro that WG::Ssop::Cart::getItems and the processes those in the fasion you want
01:24 <+MrHairgrease> anyway
01:24 < topsub> ya that just graps the whole cart
01:24 <+MrHairgrease> i think minicart does that
01:24 <+MrHairgrease> that's what you want right?
01:24 < elnino> how about a chat?  how did you guys set up this? any recommendations on an invite-only chat? probably not a webgui specific question
01:25 < topsub> no we injected custom options into the cartITems table
01:25 < topsub> and i need to display them on the cart page
01:25 <+MrHairgrease> if there was a chat wobject you'd also use a subscription
01:25 <+MrHairgrease> but alas
01:25 <+MrHairgrease> there is o such thing
01:25 <+MrHairgrease> no*
01:26 <+MrHairgrease> topsub: not sure how to do that
01:26 < topsub> ya seems they limited the cart
01:26 < topsub> hmm maybe i should look at what page does the cart
01:26 <+MrHairgrease> Wg::Shop::www_view
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01:28 < topsub> hhmmm u WebGUI::Shop->www_view?
01:29 < topsub> ya WebGUI::Shop::Cart->www_view
01:34 <+MrHairgrease> yea Cart
01:34 <+MrHairgrease> sry
01:34 <@perlmonkey2> new bug :(  I can make a cash purcahse once.  After that it fails during Cart->readyForcheckout.  getShippingAddress is coming back empty
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01:40 < perlDreamer> perlmonkey2, that's an existing bug
01:41 <@perlmonkey2> shippingAddressId is null
01:41 < perlDreamer> that was the template thing, right?
01:41 < perlDreamer> kristi and vrby both said that they could only cash once?
01:41 <@perlmonkey2> no in cart.pm
01:41 <@perlmonkey2> I don't think the problem is the template
01:41 < perlDreamer> ah, okay
01:42 <@perlmonkey2> I've got it down to Cart::GetShippingAddress returning bad because $self->get("shippingAddressId") is undef
01:42 <+MrHairgrease> pm2: try after selecting shipping to click the button Update Cart firts
01:42 <@perlmonkey2> k
01:42 <@perlmonkey2> no joy :(
01:43 < perlDreamer> perlmonkey2, when I find new bugs, I post  them and come back
01:43 < perlDreamer> otherwise I just end up spinning
01:43 < perlDreamer> unless they gate fixing the original bug
01:43 < perlDreamer> but then still post
01:43 < perlDreamer> so others know
01:43 <@perlmonkey2> yeah, I need to post it, but it is stopping me from the next two bugs on my list.
01:43 <+MrHairgrease> uhm I meant after selkecting shippin address
01:43 < topsub> perlDreamer, if i just want to change one subroutine in a class. Do i just need to use base, then change the subroutine? Is there anything else i need to do?
01:44 < perlDreamer> topsub, that's the general idea, but it also depends on how the class is set up
01:44 <@perlmonkey2> MrHairgrease: right, I thought that's what you mean :)
01:44 <@perlmonkey2> t
01:48 < perlDreamer> topsub, for example, if it was Class::InsideOut based, you may have to make calls to the parent.
01:49 < topsub> ah, i really want to just overwrite the www_view on the Cart.pm
01:49 < topsub> Need to have it send more variables to the template
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01:51 < perlDreamer> what kind of variables?  Would we want these in _all_ templates, for example?
01:51 < perlDreamer> Not just the uber-powerfall Knowmad templates?
01:51 < perlDreamer> catching my drift?
01:52 < topsub> Gonna change it to send all the JSON to the template
01:52 < topsub> vs just the hardcoded things now
01:53 < perlDreamer> topsub, I would recommend taking a look at Shop/CartItem.pm, the get method
01:54 < perlDreamer> Seems strange that you would get returned a JSON string as a template variable
01:54 < topsub> well i want to set each JSON variable as a variable sent to the template
01:54 < topsub> not set the JSON object as template variable
01:54 < topsub> if tha tmakes sence
01:55 < perlDreamer> that does
01:55 < perlDreamer> maybe just adding %{$item->get('options')} would do the trick then?
01:56 < topsub> ya should be something simple
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02:11 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: Okay, I had cart output every time it touched the shippingAddressId.  And somehow it goes from having a value in the page where you can set it or click checkout, then when you click pay it is empty.  But inbetween there I don't ever see it set again.
02:11 <@perlmonkey2> looks like I've got a good one that shall keep me busy for a bit ;)
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02:14 <@perlmonkey2> But I just realized that after I click checkout, the cart entry in the DB is deleted.
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02:15 <@perlmonkey2> then after I chose a billing address it is recreated sans shipping address.
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02:25 < topsub> soi should be able to loop over the options and set them equal to there key? like $var{KEY} what ever it is in the json object?
02:25 < topsub> before i start trying, just want to make sure its possible
02:27 < topsub> something like.. http://webgui.pastebin.com/m29815b18
02:30 < perlDreamer> topsub, %templateVariables = (%templateVariables, %{ $options } );
02:31 < perlDreamer> note that whichever comes last wins since it's a hash, so do think about naming collisions
02:42 < topsub> ah, lucky we are controlling the nameing of the options in the JSON so hopefully we can avoid that
02:43 < topsub> Cool got that working
02:43 < topsub> now to subclass it
02:44 < perlDreamer> I think you should RFE it into the core after you're done
02:45 < topsub> just 3 lines..
02:45 < perlDreamer> very handy code, though
02:45 < topsub> i am not doing any checking if there is matching keys
02:46 < perlDreamer> The other option, instead of overiding the cart, would be to override getConfiguredTitle in your sub-classed Product
02:46 < perlDreamer> but it wouldn't do a clean tabular display, if that's the end goal
02:47 < topsub> when i add my custom asset to the cart. were i would think the name of the asset is its null. Wonder if getConfiguredTitle has anything to do with it?
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02:48 < perlDreamer> the name of the asset is null?
02:49 < perlDreamer> like class name, or title or ...?
02:49 < perlDreamer> oh, wait a sec
02:49 < perlDreamer> are you running off of SVN?
02:50 < perlDreamer> there was a bugfix for getConfiguredTitle that will be released in 7.5.19
02:50 < perlDreamer> that might account for that
02:50 < topsub> ah
02:50 < topsub> when i add my custom product asset to the cart
02:50 < topsub> when it display in the cart by default it doesn't have a title
02:51 < perlDreamer> yeah, that's that bug
02:51 < topsub> ah alright
02:52 < perlDreamer> https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/revision/?rev=7124
02:52 < perlDreamer> that patch will fix it
02:52 < topsub>  while ( my ($key, $value) = each(%$options) ) { $properties{$key} = $value; }
02:52 < perlDreamer> you can iterate if you want, but hash append will be faster
02:52 < perlDreamer> %properties = (%properties, % { $options } );
02:54 < perlDreamer> heading home, happy hacking
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03:10 < elnino> Can I integrate the shopcart with paypal? is it similar to itransact?
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03:26 <@tavisto> there is plans to have the paypal functionality built in
03:28 <@tavisto> elnino, there is no guarantee for a delivery date yet, but it's planned to be developed by Plain Black staffers in the months ahead
03:28 < elnino> cool.
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06:42 < elnino> tavis mentioned that support for paypal will be added sometime in somewhat near future, will a user on the shopping cart be able to choose between paypay, and credit card (as setup thru itransact for example?)
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07:03 <@perlmonkey2> elnino sounds like a good question for the dev board. 
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07:49 < elnino> hi. Does the ecommerce object have inventory tracking by any chance?
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16:33 < SquOnk> Hi everyone
16:38 < BartJol> hi
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16:52 < elnino> good morning. I have tons of questions regarding functionality of webgui to meet a potential client's requests. anyone there?
16:52 < elnino> after a customer places an order, can I customize the email that is sent out?
16:55 < topsub> elnino, i don't see why not Just a matter of how easy is it
16:55 < elnino> is it a template?
16:56 < topsub> thats a good question.. lol
16:56 < topsub> I haven't dug that deep into it yet, Sometime today iwill have to look into that
16:56 < elnino> do you know if there is a way to handle intl shipping costs in the ecommerce?
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17:01 < topsub> elnino, sorry i am not sure
17:02 < elnino> that's fine, so yo know if you can manage ad space and bill per click? or would one use google?
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17:20 < SDuensin> Anyone else using the invite system in 7.5.x?  I think enabling it disables password recovery.  That's bad.
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17:26 <@bopbop> elnino: have you looked at Shop on a beta demo yet?
17:27 < elnino> I have, but she keeps throwing me more requirements.  and the beta isonly good one day. Ihaven't had the timet ot setup a dev machine. I' dlike too.
17:27 <@bopbop> also, there is Advertising in the Admin Console that addresses pay per click and ad space
17:28 < elnino> I saw the adverstising in 7.4, so I was hopign that was expanded in 7.5.
17:28 <@bopbop> in the Admin screen for Shop, there is a Shipping screen
17:28 <@bopbop> where you can set a base shipping cost, cost based on weight, percent of total cost, etc
17:28 <@bopbop> very easy to set up
17:29 <@bopbop> if tavisto stumbles in later, he would be a good one to ask about Ad space- he works with it on cmsmatrix.org quite a bit
17:29 <@bopbop> when payment methods are set up in Shop, you can customize the message customer's are emailed
17:30 <@bopbop> you would enter Shop in the Admin Console, then Payment Methods, and you'll see field in the screens to set up a payment method
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17:31 <@bopbop> for iTransact, the field for the email message is right on the screen for you, for Cash payments there is a template available
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17:58 < elnino> sorry, step away... I saw the shipping costs. She wants to do it by weight, but then add a flat fee for intl. I was thinking that I'll just need to create a product for "intl shipping" or something.
17:59 < elnino> Ok I didn't see the email setup in 7.4, Must have missed it when looking at 7.5.
18:01 < elnino> does 7.5 have shipping methods? like UPS and USPS?
18:01 < elnino> I could handle the intl there...
18:03 < topsub> shouldn't the remove button in the cart ask for confirmation before it removes it?
18:04 < topsub> I gonna add it to cart.pm along with the options hash maybe commit it back
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18:08 <@bopbop> elnino- you can have multiple shipping costs for an item
18:09 <@bopbop> just create a shipping method, label it appropriately, and set up both a flat fee and a weight specification. When products are created you can select that shipping method in the Shop tab for the asset
18:09 <@bopbop> there's nothing extra required
18:10 < elnino> well, the intl would only apply if they are intl... does the customer select? or are they automatically applied?
18:10 <@bopbop> automatically applied per asset
18:11 <@perlmonkey2> arg, I just can't find out why the cart row in the DB dies when a user makes a purchase after clicking "checkout" but admin doesn't.
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18:14 < elnino> bopbop, ok, that wouldn't help then. I'm thinking that I'll need ot have "related items" and have intl shipping there, and hope the customer selects it when appropriate.
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18:19 <@bopbop> you could also do a Donation asset, name it something to indicate the user must place in the cart before checking out- that would work too
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18:19 <@bopbop> well, no
18:19 <@bopbop> you wouldn't want to do that
18:19 <@bopbop> since the dollar amount is editable
18:19 <@bopbop> nm
18:24 < elnino> can I add a "Other" country under sales tax and apply it from there? - a terrible re-use of something...
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18:28 <@perlmonkey2> okay, I've been chasing my tail for a while now.  Is the cart and cartitem supposed to be cleared upon CART::www_checkout for a normal user, but left intact for admin?
18:28 <@rizen> no
18:29 <@rizen> after an order has been processed by the payment gateway
18:29 <@rizen> it should be cleared in all circumstances
18:29 <@rizen> from the cart
18:32 <@perlmonkey2> only 110 queries to backtrack from to figure out what happened :P
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18:35 < SquOnk> Will 7.5.19 be out today?
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18:48 <@perlmonkey2> hahah!  There was no bug.  Well at least not in the way  I thought.  The cart was being cleared because the user had enough in-store credit to purchase the item.  So the transaction goes through when they click the checkout as they don't need a payment gateway (although they are still asked how they would like to pay and must go through the motions).
18:48 <@perlmonkey2> So should the in-store credit be updated when a user makes a cash purchase?
18:49 < CIA-6> WebGUI: yung * r7173 /WebGUI/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: viewing badges in IE 6/7
18:49 <@rizen> Haarg, will 7.5.19 be out today?
18:49 <@tavisto> it would be sweet if the shopping cart would not ask you for a payment method if there was only one active method configured
18:50 <@tavisto> could I RFE that or would I get smacked around Rizen?
18:50 <@Haarg> my plan was to release it tomorrow
18:52 <@rizen> there's your answer sqonk
18:52 <@rizen> tavisto, i think that's a great idea
18:52 <@rizen> it was in the original spec, but got lost somewhere along the way
18:52 <@tavisto> coolio, I'll post it
18:52 <@tavisto> now.....
18:53 <@tavisto> since I have you here...
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18:53 <@tavisto> crap I can't remember my question.. carry on
18:53 < SquOnk> Haarg: All right. Thanks.
18:58 < carogray> may I ask a non-developer  question?
18:59 < elnino_laptop> sure.
18:59 < elnino_laptop> can't guarantee an answer tho.
19:00 < elnino_laptop> =
19:00 < elnino_laptop> =
19:00 < elnino_laptop> =)
19:00 < carogray> is there a way to figure out what assets are using a specific template? We are trying to clean up and get rid of old templates/page styles, CSS and JS snippets we don't use any longer, but we want to make sure that when we delete them we don't cause old pages we don't check regularly get messed up and then crash the whole website.
19:02 < elnino_laptop> just found this yesterday: http://www.plainblack.com/user_contributions/user_contributions/miscellaneous/asset-checker-diagnostic-tool/1 it may do exactly what you want. I haven't used it yet, but plan to.
19:02 < carogray> oh great thanks! I will look into it!
19:02 < elnino_laptop> Or you can do what I've done in the past, and write a sql report 
19:03 <@rizen> carogray, that won't tell you want you're looking for
19:03 <@rizen> that app is meant to tell you the performance of any given asset on your site, not what templates are attached to it
19:04 < carogray> got any handy? sql reports to find this out perchance? I am not a programmer and although my designer is a whiz with CSS the amount of time we take up trying to get sql reports  
19:04 < carogray> oh well thanks for the news about the contribution
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19:04 < elnino_laptop> oh. my bad.  
19:05 < carogray> it says it looks for broken assets - is that like shortcuts that go to assets that have been deleted?
19:05 < elnino_laptop> umm.   I don't think I ever got it working. it's one of those thing that I do on the side when "i have time"
19:05 <@rizen> like assets that have broken data in them
19:06 <@rizen> not sure if it will find deadshortcuts or not
19:06 <@rizen> but it probably will
19:06 < carogray> what is an example of an asset with "broken data" is that an sql report
19:06 < elnino_laptop> I can go work on it some time this wek, would that be ok?
19:06 < carogray> cheese and rice! that would be fantastic!
19:07 < elnino_laptop> "cheese and ric"e - that is a new one for me.
19:07 < carogray> we have these nagging problems we keep ignoring but distracting us with  their untidiness leading to confusion and mistakes made whilst bleary eyed
19:07 < elnino_laptop> what's your email address?
19:08 < carogray> it's left over from when I had to swear around school children whilst working as  a Peace Corps Volunteer in the West Indies many years ago, the variant is peas and rice!
19:08 < elnino_laptop> or are you chat during the day?
19:08 < carogray> crobinson@mlri.org
19:08 < elnino_laptop> k. I'lls ee what I can do. I'd like to get it working to, and perhaps contrib it too.
19:09 < carogray> Now that I have discovered how to actually get into/onto IRC chat after struggling for 18 months to figure it out, I just have it log in automatically so I can watch for it. most is too highbrow for me to follow so if you wouldn't mind giving me a note via email just so I don't miss you that would be terrific!
19:09 < elnino_laptop> rizen, what IS an example of a asset with broken data?
19:10 < elnino_laptop> sure, I was in the same boat not too long ago.
19:10 < elnino_laptop> they are good folks here, and very helpful.
19:10 < elnino_laptop> I"m jsut a user excited about webgui.
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19:12 <@rizen> carogray: here's an example of how to find templates that aren't being used:
19:12 <@rizen> select distinct url from template left join assetData using (assetId,revisionDate) where namespace='Article' and assetId not in (select distinct templateId from Article);
19:12 < elnino_laptop> ooh! thank you!
19:12 <@rizen> the problem is that you need to write one of these queries for each type of template that you're looking for
19:12 < elnino_laptop> or use a parameter
19:13 < carogray> it's good to see - I hear so many complaints about it I am sick to death of people whining and not appreciating it - much of it is beyond what we can afford and there are drawbacks, but on the other hand I really appreciate all that it offers. I am also support 13 other websites using it and just yesterday as I was working with one of our more industrious website coordinators, he suddenly began to see how powerful it is for re
19:13 < perlDreamer> carogray, long posts get snipped
19:13 < carogray> I don't mind using the above for every template cause we don't have a whole lot of them
19:13 < perlDreamer> at 256 characters
19:13 < carogray> ok - that's good for me cause I talk too much anyhow
19:15 < carogray> would /could we use that for page styles also - uh page layout templates and use' Page' instead of article?
19:16 <@tavisto> carogray, you use WebGUI on 13 different sites?
19:16 < perlDreamer> carogray, just make sure that the namespace and secondary table match
19:16 < perlDreamer> to get a list of namespaces
19:16 < perlDreamer> select distinct(namespace) from template;
19:17 < perlDreamer> Do the users really care that much about unused templates?
19:17 < elnino_laptop> yes!!!!
19:17 < perlDreamer> Why?
19:17 < perlDreamer> (because there's a way in WebGUI that might help with that problem)
19:17 < elnino_laptop> I guess I"m more interested in what is using what. so if I make a change, I know what I'm affected.
19:18 < carogray> yes, about 13 haven't counted em lately
19:18 <@rizen> select distinct url from template left join assetData using (assetId,revisionDate) where namespace='Layout' and assetId not in (select distinct templateId from Layout)
19:18 < elnino_laptop> And, I made a bunch of templates not really knowing what I was doing, so it would be nice to clean the out so that my users don't use them ,becaus ehtye are junk.
19:18 <@rizen> tavisto, carogray, i believe, works for MLRI
19:18 < elnino_laptop> and I like a clean database. =)
19:19 < carogray> we do care about unused templates cause when you want to assign a template to a page/article whatever if you have half a million to choose from with all similar names it gets very confusing - we have so many
19:19 < elnino_laptop> here here
19:19 < perlDreamer> Have you tried using prototypes?
19:19 < carogray> cause we are afraid to delete any and keep trying to improve and then can't remember which one is bet
19:19 < elnino_laptop> ter
19:19 < carogray> yup - I do work for MLRI
19:20 < carogray> prototypes terrify me.
19:20 < elnino_laptop> hmm. prototypes, don't know about.
19:20 < perlDreamer> Prototypes are preconfigured assets
19:20 < carogray> I have tried them and then when I don't want them any more all kinds of terrible domino effects happen upon deletion 
19:20 < carogray> the place gets totally out of control!
19:23 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r7174 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Shop/CartItem.pm: update CartItem POD for get
19:26 < carogray> in case you're still thinking in that sql report mode - here is the next trickier, and also more ocd item - what about detecting if anything is 
19:26 < carogray> calling unused CSS or JS snippets - we inherited a site that has both main.css and global.css - 
19:26 < carogray> we think we are only using assets that call global and want to delete main, but...if we delete main and something we don't know is using it - what might 'appen?1
19:26 < perlDreamer> carogray, then I would recommend not deleting
19:27 < perlDreamer> use version control
19:27 < perlDreamer> take the snippet, and replace the contents with the words "I want to delete this"
19:27 < perlDreamer> then check your website
19:27 < perlDreamer> if you don't find that phrase, then you're clean
19:27 < carogray> oh brilliant solution - that's marvelous! cheers!
19:27 < perlDreamer> if you do, then rollback that version of the snippet, rework the user of the snippet not to anymore, and repeat
19:27 < perlDreamer> when it's clean, you can delete it
19:28 < perlDreamer> and, if you turn off autocommit, you can do it without affecting the user experience on the website
19:30 < carogray> yep - I get all the stuff about how to use the version tags for this. I don't use autocommit meself - don't trust myself enough
19:30 < carogray> as soon as I start to get confident I do something totally absent mindedly 
19:30 < carogray> won't bore you with what a space cadet I am
19:32 < carogray> do we have a certain limit to how many solutions we are allowed to have in  day?
19:32 < carogray> in a day
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19:33 <+perlDreamer> carogray, if you were to make a wiki page for each thing that you learn that you find useful, I think we'd answer lots of questions.
19:33 < carogray> good lord yes! I am really into that cause - how much help you all are as well as how frustrating it is/has been for me not to be able to find these kinds of things anywhere
19:34 < carogray> this next problem is a really tedious, cross-eyed making one that I am too lazy and too non-conversant in CSS to figure out though.
19:34 < carogray>  I would really understand if you don't want to bother with it.
19:34 <+perlDreamer> CSS questions might be better asked in a web design channel
19:35 < carogray> It's about seeing the table not working in IE when it is working in Firefox
19:35 < carogray> you mean a non-webgui channel?
19:35 < carogray> like, find a css irc thing?
19:36 <+perlDreamer> yeah, or, try the design forum on webgui.org
19:36 < carogray> ok - that's fine I don't mind doing that
19:36 < carogray> one more question - not solution before I go...please?
19:37 < carogray> what is a "thingy" I keep reading about them, but really not sure I understand exactly what it is.
19:37 <+perlDreamer> The thingy is a web-based application builder.  Think of it as Microsoft Access in WebGUI.
19:38 < carogray> can you explain a little more? or give me an example or 2?
19:38 <+perlDreamer> It lets you build tables, build forms for filling the tables, and then do searches and lookups with templated results
19:39 <+perlDreamer> so, for building common applications like rolodex's and the like, you just build them with Thingy rather than coding with Perl.
19:39 < carogray> mmmm, sounds familiar, as if I read this somewhere before. I need to read this stuff over and over again see examples, for about a year before it begins to penetrate
19:39 < carogray> it's only in 7.5 now right?
19:39 <+perlDreamer> JT's blob, plainblack.com/tbb explained it in more detail
19:39 <+perlDreamer> yes, 7.5
19:40 < carogray> phew - so I have a little while to absorb. is there a real life example where it is used - not on the demo yet, cause that's the latest stable version of WG right?
19:41 <@rizen> carogray, there is a one our training session on thingy at the WUC this year
19:41 <@rizen> don't know if you're going or not
19:41 <+perlDreamer> well, in addition to demo.plainblack.com, there's beta.plainblack.com where you can try the latest and greatest WebGUI
19:41 < carogray> unfortunately WUC is agin out of the question for me 
19:41 < carogray> one day I hope to get there.
19:41 <+perlDreamer> carogray, what's the sticking point on the WUC?
19:42 <+perlDreamer> Where else can you get 2 days of point, hands-on training for $500?
19:42 < carogray> oh  about the beta.plainblack.com - that's great - didn't know
19:43 < carogray> I don't deny the value of the WUC, but we had our budget cut back by 10% this year, like the rest of the world, combined with the fact that my daughter is moving to Alaska at the end of the summer and the timing is just all wrong for me. 
20:00  * perlmonkey2 shoots Shop/Transaction with his heavy cal anti-bug gun.
20:01 <+perlDreamer> is it fixed?
20:01 <+perlDreamer> or are you frustrated?
20:01 <@perlmonkey2> it is fixed
20:01 <@perlmonkey2> but it was frustrating :D
20:02 <+perlDreamer> sweet (about the fixedness).  I'll read the patch.
20:03 <@perlmonkey2> it was extremely simple to fix.  The hard part was tracking down what was going on and when exactly Credit::update should be called, and then finding out why it was being called without effect.
20:03 <+perlDreamer> this is the in store credit bug?
20:03 <@perlmonkey2> yeah
20:03 <+perlDreamer> that's a two-fer, then?
20:03 <+perlDreamer> two bugs with 19 characters
20:03 <@perlmonkey2> *ka-blam* *ka-blam* 
20:03 <+perlDreamer> not bad, dude
20:03 <@perlmonkey2> that's why its double barreled :P
20:04 <@perlmonkey2> Will be easy for the next bug as most of this was plumbing the depths of Shop/
20:05 < elnino_laptop> tavisto: testing are you there?
20:06 <@tavisto> yep, that pages me
20:06 <@tavisto> anytime you use someone's name
20:08 <@tavisto> elnino_laptop this is a test to see if your IRC client works. :)
20:08 < elnino_laptop> ok. thanks!
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20:09 < CIA-6> WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7175 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Shop/Transaction.pm): In store credit now correctly deducted from with new purchases. Shop/Transaction was not updating the shopCreditDeduction column.
20:10 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: do you think this is a bug or an RFE?  http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/gallery-navigation-back-to-album-returns-to-page-1#IczSJ_TqDhr3Fcr2lsl40Q
20:10 <@perlmonkey2> probably bug?
20:11 <+perlDreamer> really low priority bug
20:11 <+perlDreamer> I mean, it works, but I can see where you'd expect to go back to where you started.
20:11 <@perlmonkey2> okay, well I've made a pass on everything below it and don't think I can do anything above it.
20:11 <+perlDreamer> go for it
20:12 <@perlmonkey2> naw, I'll go back through the list and see if anything closed has reopened or if something looks higher priority.
20:12 <+perlDreamer> page layout - hide assets broken would be good to fix
20:13 <+perlDreamer> but I'd only do it with a test
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20:14 <+perlDreamer> are you staying this time, knowmad?
20:14 < knowmad> haha
20:14 < knowmad> i knew someone was going to see that... having trouble getting my IM to behave ;)
20:14 < knowmad> perlDreamer: preaction: I figured out what my problem was with sending internal emails
20:14 < knowmad> you have to use the userId, not the username
20:14 <+perlDreamer> awesome!  What was it?
20:15 < knowmad> there is a bug in mail system that the emails were just disappearing with no errors
20:15 < knowmad> need some testing around that
20:15 < knowmad> pd: do you have a mechanism for testing mail delivery?
20:15 < knowmad> all: what timezone does the scheduler run off of?
20:15 < knowmad> is there a system-wide timezone?
20:16 <+perlDreamer> knowmad, just Mail/Send.t
20:16 <+perlDreamer> and Inbox.t, which I think dionak wrote
20:16 < knowmad> does the Send.t script have a test for confirming delivery?
20:17 <+perlDreamer> Well, it sets up a dummy smtpd server.
20:17 < knowmad> oh
20:17 <+perlDreamer> so all it checks is that SMTPD got it
20:17 <+perlDreamer> not that it's received on the far end
20:17 <+perlDreamer> since there's no far end to test
20:17 < knowmad> OK, that's kinda what i need to do for internal messaging
20:17 <+perlDreamer> but with internal messaging, there's no SMTPD
20:18 < knowmad> right, so we should be able to check the inbox of the recipient to make sure it gets through
20:18 <+perlDreamer> right, that would be Inbox.t
20:18 < elnino_laptop> rizen: I think I was told to ask you.  does webgui shop handel international shipping charges? for example.  the user would be charged a normal shippig fee, but if they are intl, they would get stuck with a flat surcharge to handle additional shipping costs.
20:18 < knowmad> OK
20:18 < knowmad> back to my question about the scheduler, what timezone does it run off of?
20:19 < knowmad> my scheduled tasks are not running at the same time as my system clock
20:19 < elnino_laptop> knowmad: perhaps off of your user's settings? just a thought I have no idea.
20:19 < knowmad> does it go by system time?
20:20 < knowmad> what user do the scheduled tasks run under?
20:20 < elnino_laptop> i don't know, the one that created it? like I said, I have no idea. Just being creative =)
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20:20 <@rizen> elnino: the flat rate shipping module doesn't, but the ones we attach to UPS, FedEx and the like will
20:21 < knowmad> but then they aren't actually being run until the scheduler fires them off so it appears that we need to know about the scheduler
20:21 <+perlDreamer> knowmad, that's all spectre code, lib/Spectre/Cron.pm
20:21 < knowmad> OK
20:21 < elnino_laptop> rizen: so how does the ups and usps work, do they by pass the "ship by weight" and "ship by transaction" types of shipments?
20:21 < elnino_laptop> are they just another type of shipment?
20:22 < knowmad> looks like its using timezone of 'local' which means system time
20:22 < elnino_laptop> and did I gather correctly from your comment, that they (ups/fedex) are soon to be implemented?
20:22 < knowmad> which perl prob. thinks is GMT
20:23 <+perlDreamer> knowmad, you know that I always say in these kinds of situations ;)
20:24 < SquOnk> Has anyone tried out the Debian packages?
20:25 < SquOnk> If 7.5.19 is released tomorrow, there will be updated packages around 23:00 UTC
20:25 <@rizen> elnino, there are no official announcements about those modules yet. i'm just saying when we do implement them they will fully support international shipment pricing
20:25 < SquOnk> For 7.5.19 there will be a prototype automatic configuration. It will _ask_ for values but will _not_ do anything with them yet.
20:26 <@rizen> the goal for 7.5 was just to get a decent working commerce system into webgui...the future versions of webgui will be adding to it's capability
20:26 < elnino_laptop> that's fine, just wanted to know if it was there already or not.  Thanks!
20:28 < elnino_laptop> rizen: does the shop currently handel coupons?  Sorry to bother you, they said you're the one to ask.
20:28 <@rizen> yes
20:28 <@rizen> just basic flat rate coupons
20:28 <@rizen> like buy $100 worth of merchandise and get 10% off
20:28 <@rizen> that sort of thing
20:29 < lisette> hello, i do a package of a site with 7.4.40 and i try to upload to a site with 7.5.18 and shows me the next error: 
20:29 < elnino_laptop> ok.
20:29 < lisette> 2008/08/06 12:28:21 - WARN - www.pruebas.com.conf - WebGUI::Content::Asset::tryAssetMethod[207] - Couldn't call method view on asset for url: home/normatividad/circulares/circulares-2008 Root cause: no good: 7Hn99MZUHJu0GmjVp-xf2A at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Collaboration.pm line 1178.
20:30 < elnino_laptop> rizen two more: where if possible does one modify the confirmation email after an order is placed? is that webgui or thru itransact?
20:30 < elnino_laptop> (that was one)
20:32 < lisette> i can do export/import of package of different versions?
20:33 < elnino_laptop> rizen: two) and my user would like to sell online collateral. and when they place the order, she wants to limint the number of downloads by that user either by count or by time frame, is eithe rpossilbe?  Someone suggested using subscriptions and doing it that way?
20:34 < knowmad> perlDreamer: I suspect you'd say test it which is what i just did; it thinks the local time is America/Chicago which is very odd
20:35 < knowmad> i wonder if that's due to the WRE being pre-compiled by PB (this is a windoze server)
20:55 <+perlDreamer> knowmad, if it pulls the timezone from the user profile, the default _is_ America/Chicago, by strange coincidence :)
20:56 < knowmad> i don't think it uses the user profile
20:57 <+perlDreamer> elnino_laptop, there is a confirmation email sent by WebGUI, it is configured in the Payment Methods and it is templated.
20:58 < knowmad> I think it's line 181 of Spectre/Cron.pm that does scheduling
20:59 < knowmad> my script that I ran outside of WebGUI (but using WRE perl) says localtime is Chicago
20:59 <+perlDreamer> that's bad
20:59 < knowmad> i don't know how it's getting that; it's not in Config.pm
21:01 <+perlDreamer> I'd file that as a bug
21:01 <+perlDreamer> so the good news is that it still happens regularly, and you can calculate when you want it
21:02 < elnino_laptop> perlDreamer: thanks
21:02 < knowmad> you'd think so
21:02 < knowmad> but it didn't run when i expected it to
21:02 <+perlDreamer> yeah, that's the bad part
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21:03 < topsub> is there a way i can enable anonymous checkout?
21:03 < topsub> webgui 7.5.15
21:03 <@preaction> "anonymous" checkout?
21:04 <@preaction> like checkout without having to create a user?
21:04 < topsub> yes
21:04 <@preaction> no
21:10 < topsub> why do you have to have an account to checkout?
21:23 < elnino_laptop> topsub: i'm only guessing, so that the user can login to view/modify existing orders. And the information needs to be stored somewhere, so that the administrators of the store can manage the info. and webgui needs to tie the order info to *something* and that something is the user. But I know what you are asking, and it's not uncommon.
21:24 < elnino_laptop> it's not uncommon to let a user buy something without getting a username/password to a site.
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21:25 < elnino_laptop> maybe, the user can be created and just be "deactiviated" upon checkout. So maybe you can create a workflow to do that.
21:25 < elnino_laptop> Or do you have to log into a webgui site before you can have a cart?
21:26 <@rizen> you can shop all you want without an account
21:26 <@rizen> just at checkout time you must have an account
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21:37 < topsub> Can the visitor be used to buy products?
21:38 <@rizen> no, i just said you need an account
21:39 < dionak> why is the account required? in other words where do i look in the codebase?
21:40 < dionak> is it in Transaction?
21:40 <@rizen> look in the codebase for what?
21:40 < dionak> for the requirement of having an account to checkout
21:41 <@rizen> the entire shop was designed around there being a user
21:41 <@rizen> you won't be able to just pull it out
21:41 <@rizen> EMS will stop working
21:41 <@rizen> transactions won't work
21:41 <@rizen> address books won't work
21:42 <@rizen> the requirement comes from the fact that is no secure way to show a user his or her transaction history if they don't have an account
21:42 < dionak> ok, that is more helpful
21:42 <@rizen> but once that requirement was establish
21:42 <@rizen> ed
21:42 <@rizen> and we knew there would be a user account
21:42 <@rizen> everything else was built to make use of that fact
21:43 < dionak> so it would take a lot of refactoring to implement anonymous checkout.
21:44 < dionak> got it.
21:44 < dionak> so we need to force our client to support user accounts in order to use WG shop
21:45 < dionak> topsub asked about visitor because i was wondering if there was a way to hide the user account requirement
21:45 <@rizen> yes, but more importantly, why wouldn't you want to support user accounts? besides "they just don't like it"
21:46 < dionak> it's more that the client doesn't feel like it's a good fit for their audience
21:46 < dionak> that's the gist
21:46 <@rizen> eventually there will be a Point of Sale mode, which will allow you to check out multiple guests with a single user account, but you'll still need to be logged in as that user.
21:47 < dionak> ah, that's kind of what we've been working on
21:47 <@rizen> you'll need to be logged in as a clerk
21:47 < dionak> interesting...
21:47 < dionak> ok, thanks for the input. very helpful
22:06 < topsub> How does "shipperId" id get set when your wanting to checkout? I set up a freeshipping shipping method but i still get "Must provide a shipperId"  in the logs
22:08 < topsub> When i go to checkout
22:09 <@perlmonkey2> Don't almost all online retailers require an account to make purchases?
22:09 < topsub> not all
22:12 <@perlmonkey2> topsub: certainly, but I'm having trouble thinking of the edge cases where it makes more sense to not have an account.
22:12 < topsub> its not use, its the client that doesn't want it
22:13 <@rizen> topsub, is the shipping method that you created enabled?
22:17 < topsub> rizen: sure is
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22:18 < dionak> perlmonkey2: no, anonymous checkout is a common feature
22:18 <@rizen> shipperid gets set when you choose a shipping method on the cart screen
22:18 < dionak> most do, but not all
22:18 <@perlmonkey2> dionak: ??
22:18 < dionak> i was responding to your earlier question about requiring accounts to make purchases
22:19 <@perlmonkey2> dionak: right right, just wondered which ones
22:20 < dionak> usually larger sites require it for informational purposes but we see smaller sites not using it. cs-cart, for instance, has this feature. i don't have a site url handy
22:20 < topsub> rizen, ah. once i choose a shipping address, i get Per Item Shipping column show up, but then no area to choose shipping.. so something must be wrong with my template?
22:20 <@perlmonkey2> dionak: cool, okay, that makes sense
22:21 < lisette> anyone knows that happends?
22:21 < topsub> fixed, thanks rizen
22:31 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: please correct me if I'm offbase here, but wouldn't the best place to start digging for the Page Layout Can't Unhide Assets bug be in the Asset::www_editSave method?
22:33 <@preaction> perlmonkey2, probably better off in processPropertiesFromFormPost
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22:34 <@preaction> but even more likely, it's probably in Asset::update (which gets called by processPropertiesFromFormPost)
22:35 <@perlmonkey2> preaction: thanks, I'll start in update as you probably know what you're talking about :P  This one is going to be hairy me thinks.
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22:37 < topsub> Is there a template we can change for select payment gateway?
22:39 <@perlmonkey2> preaction: in processPropertiesFromFormPost right before the call to update I dumped %data.  The unselected hidden assets are listed in the hash key of hidden assets.  
22:40 <@preaction> perlmonkey2, okay, so somewhere before that point is the problem, right?
22:41 <@perlmonkey2> preaction: dang I was hoping that would trigger your memory allowing you to solve this bug instantly :P  okay, I'll stop screwing around and bugging you.
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22:56 <@perlmonkey2> preaction: here's one to make you cry.  The first entry is with two assets checked to be hidden.  The second entry is with the same two assets unchecked.  I'm thinking the problem might be in form now.  http://webgui.pastebin.com/d6f1921ef
23:00 < lisette> how to install a package that contents a CS
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23:16 <+perlDreamer> topsub, there was a Product bug that will be fixed in 7.5.19 related to Products and per item shipping
23:16 <+perlDreamer> be sure that you're running off of SVN, or apply the patch to your local dev box
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23:33 <@perlmonkey2> I need a hand on the hidden assets of a page layout bug.  There are no CGI params being passed back when I don't check any assets to be hidden.  But somehow the form object is getting set as if those params had been set.  Anyone got a clue where I should start looking now?  I keep going in circles on Asset::processPropertiesFromFormPost.  
23:34 <@perlmonkey2> its like if no params were passed back the form just grabs whatever the asset properties contains.
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23:46 <@perlmonkey2> Dumping Form on the Layout form submission I see two queries doing the exact same thing.  query 23 and query 31 are the same query.
23:47 <@perlmonkey2> I haven't a clue what's going on.  Why would the form be updating the DB before the asset has even started processingFromForm
23:49 <@perlmonkey2> By the 3rd line of Asset::processPropertiesFromFormPost the Layout has already been updated twice (I'm guessing the revision plus the commit).
23:52 <@preaction> perlmonkey2, i'd start looking in WebGUI::Form::CheckList->getValue. it seems to be giving the default value (getDefaultValue) when the checklist is empty.
23:52 <@tavisto> man IRC is hardcore programming today
23:53 <@perlmonkey2> tavisto: just because some dumb codemonkey is polluting the channel
23:53 <@preaction> er.... me?
23:53 <@tavisto> heh well I've been following along... Can't tell you how happy I am to see you bug slashing
23:53 <@perlmonkey2> I thought I was the only codemonkey here :P
23:53 <@tavisto> well preaction can't code.. he's just got charm
23:54  * preaction is starting a cult of personality
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23:54 <@tavisto> if there's one thing I know about Doug Black, it's that I didn't know his last name was Black until today.
23:55 <@perlmonkey2> preaction: you'd be something like senior software engineer master code annihilator extraordinaire.
23:55 <@preaction> Like Mussolini.... and Kennedy.... I'm a cult of personality
23:58  * perlmonkey2 thinks PB should order the programming positions as "codemonkey" "codemonkey +1" "codemonkey +2" "master code annihilator aka codemonkey +3"
23:59 <@preaction> the PB geek code: PB$++~
23:59 <@preaction> the ~ is a gooey tentacle
23:59 <@perlmonkey2> preaction: hmm, why do you have to point out how stupid I am.  if I thought that the form was just pulling the default value when no value was given, shouldn't it have been obivious to anyone with a brain that the getValue was a good place to start.  Which begs the question, do I indeed have a brain.
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00:00 <@perlmonkey2> hah, nice
00:00 <@preaction> surely. www_editSave / processPropertiesFromFormPost and the like is the most complex part of the asset system. wait until you learn that when you ?func=add; an asset, it calls www_edit of the child, but when you save that form, it calls www_editSave of the parent first
00:01 <@perlmonkey2> that hurts to think about
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00:05 < juan1> i have a problem in one of my site
00:05 < dionak> makes sense, but yea...ouch
00:06 < juan1> i have done some changes, i have added an article and a snnipet
00:06 <@preaction> well, the child asset doesn't exist yet, so there's no URL which we can use to access it
00:06 < juan1> i commited all my changes
00:06 < juan1> and the users can see the changes
00:07 < juan1> everyone can see then
00:07 < juan1> but nobody is watching them
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00:07 < knowmad> here's one that will make you go, huh? i have a system that has webgui.log messages entering at the system time but I have to set the scheduler back by an hour
00:08 < knowmad> go figure
00:08 < knowmad> has something to do with the perl interpreter but i have no clue what
00:09 < juan1> only the admin user can see them and it is logged in and when the turn admin is on
00:09 < juan1> if turn admin is off the changes are not visibles
00:10 < SDuensin> Hey guys.  Anyone ever load a JAR out of the asset system?
00:10  * SDuensin can't make it work.
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00:41 <+perlDreamer> all triggered workflows are real time now, yes?
00:42 <@preaction> they start realtime yes
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00:46 <+perlDreamer> bug--
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01:12 < knowmad> speaking of workflows, does anyone remember if there was a bugfix for day of week ranges, e.g., 1-5
01:13 <+perlDreamer> Nope.  I'd svn log that file to check
01:13 < knowmad> ok
01:33 < knowmad> uhh, which file should I run svn log against? I don't see a Scheduler.pm 
01:33 < knowmad> oh, nm
01:33 <+perlDreamer> Spectre/Cron.pm
01:34 < knowmad> right, that's what reads it; i was thinking of setting it which appears to be an Op
01:34 < knowmad> manageCron
01:36 < knowmad> how can i tell when a revision was included in a tag? i need to know what revision of Cron.pm was release with 7.4.8
01:37 <+perlDreamer> Workflow/Activity/CreateCronJob.pm
01:38 < knowmad> it looks like an op to me when i'm editing scheduler tasks
01:38 < knowmad> that's pretty cool to have an activity that can create cron jobs though
01:43 < knowmad> there's got to be a way to know what revision a release was tagged at without checking out that release.... it'll have to wait til tomorrow
01:47 <+perlDreamer> sorry, I only know how to run about 4-5 svn commands
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08:25 <@tavisto> preaction, in the gallery asset, how is all the meta data captured from the images? Is it using EXIFutils to read this info?
08:27 <@tavisto> guess I'll catch ya tomorrow then.. g'night all
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13:30 < hightekvagabond> any of you guys ever had problems APR::Request::Apache2 not finding the "handle" method?
14:11 < BartJol> hightekvagabond haven't seen that
14:12 < hightekvagabond> yeah, as far as I can tell it really has nothing to do with WebGUI and it an issue with my libapreq2 install, was just hoping someone around here had seen it
14:16 < BartJol> have you searched the site?
14:16 < BartJol> ah, i find only your post
14:17 < hightekvagabond> I've been searching the WebGUI forums, apache, cpan, and many mailing lists via google
14:17 < BartJol> well, that should have given you a clue when something is on the forum, but unfortunately....
14:20 < BartJol> and what happens if you grep for that?
14:22 < hightekvagabond> grep for what?
14:23 < BartJol> for the handle method?
14:23 < BartJol> if the files are there, maybe the module isn't loaded
14:24 < BartJol> mmm, I can't find it within the wre
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15:30 < knowmad> hey, is anybody online who wants to conduct a search experiment with me?
15:31 < BartJol> what version?
15:32 < BartJol> or do you have a site?
15:32 < knowmad> i have a beta demo setup
15:32 < knowmad> http://beta.webgui.org/demo1218108416_88/home/search/site-search
15:32 < knowmad> BartJol: do you use search on any of your sites?
15:32 < BartJol> eeh, I added a search somewhere
15:32 < BartJol> but it is some time ago
15:33 < knowmad> i'm working on my presentation and am trying to grok how the system works
15:33 < knowmad> it's pretty simple but some queries aren't working
15:33 < knowmad> try searching "latest news" 
15:33 < knowmad> with or without quotes
15:34 < knowmad> now try +news -latest which should exclude all the assets with the word 'latest'
15:34 < BartJol> differnce is: Commercial Documentation
15:34 < knowmad> what do you mean?
15:34 < BartJol> in the results
15:35 < BartJol> and latest appears in the sec ond query
15:35 < knowmad> yes, but why do we still get results with latest?
15:35 < BartJol> dunno
15:35 < knowmad> when we're telling wG to exclude that? 'latest' is not a stopword
15:35 < knowmad> at least not in MySQL
15:35 < BartJol> :)
15:36 < BartJol> does the - really exclude the following term?
15:36 < knowmad> nor in Search.pm
15:36 < knowmad> that's what it's supposed to do according to mysql docs and JT
15:37 < knowmad> guess there's something happening to the query as it is being biult that is going awry
15:37 < knowmad> do you know how i can turn on query logging in mysql?
15:38 < knowmad> btw, thanks for the second pair of eyes; i just wanted to be sure i wasn't overlooking something
15:38 < BartJol> mmm
15:39 < BartJol> no problem, but I'm afraid that my query language is not sufficient
15:39 < BartJol> and I'm a bit busy, unfortunately, because I'd like to help you
15:39 < knowmad> i'll report back once i figure out how webgui is building the query
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16:02 < knowmad> BartJol: FYI, adding 'log=/data/wre/var/logs/mysql-query.log' to /data/wre/etc/my.cnf enabled the MySQL General Query Log 
16:02 < knowmad> Also, it really looks like there's a bug in the WebGUI search builder
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16:24 < BartJol> that might be
16:24 < knowmad> BartJol:  i've submitted a bug report with my findings -- http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/webgui-search-errors#N-mQBBz8rn53dQvQDXrPgA
16:24 < knowmad> have you ever looked at the search() method in WebGUI::Search?
16:25 < BartJol> nope
16:25 < knowmad> it's 110 lines of complicated logic!
16:25 < BartJol> beyond my limits right now :)
16:25 < BartJol> aaah
16:25 < knowmad> me too! hopefully one of the devs will take a look at it today
16:25 < BartJol> some genius worked on that
16:25 < knowmad> i'd really like to have this fixed for my presentation
16:26 < knowmad> yeah, i suspect that's all rizen_
16:26 < knowmad> it's not just the perl code but also the data storage that's interesting
16:26 < knowmad> all indexed keywords are put into the assetIndex table into a single column called, wait for it.... keywords
16:27 < knowmad> that's straight-forward enough but..
16:27 < knowmad> every keyword is separated by two single-quotes
16:27 < knowmad> i've yet to grok what that's about and how it doesn't cause breakage when searching for phrases
16:29 < SDuensin> Morning!
16:29 < knowmad> morning
16:29 < SDuensin> I love the tire place in town...  I called and told him I had a screw in one of my tires.  He was like, "Well, if you want them all to match, we can put screws in the other three."
16:29 < topsub> lol wow
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16:36 < BartJol> and how is the search query broken? split on space?
16:36 < knowmad> did you read my bug report?
16:36 < knowmad> i don't know how it's broken as i don't understand how it work
16:36 < BartJol> am now
16:37 < knowmad> however, it does not perform as advertised in regards to boolean operators
16:38 < knowmad> my initial forays into the query it builds lead me to believe there are logic errors in the search method that is building the MySQL query
16:38 < BartJol> doesn't seem good
16:38 < knowmad> nope, explains why my clients have told me search is funky
16:39 < knowmad> overall, the search system rocks but bugs like this are a showstopper
16:39 < knowmad> it doesn't matter how technically cool it is if it doesn't perform as expected
16:40 < knowmad> BartJol: are you attending the WUC?
16:40 < BartJol> I am
16:40 < knowmad> speaking?
16:40 < BartJol> I will
16:40 < knowmad> which talk are you doing?
16:41 < BartJol> on macro's in the user track
16:41 < BartJol> first one, as the schedule remains the same
16:41 < knowmad> cool, those are handy critters
16:42 < BartJol> but now I have to find out why a subdomain doens't refer people to the right webgui site
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16:47 < knowmad> sounds like an apache config issue assuming the dns is correct
16:48 < BartJol> yeah, modprxy and moperl confs were incomplete
16:48 < BartJol> changed it, and worked
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17:18 < knowmad> BartJol: you still hanging around?
17:19 < BartJol> yup
17:19 < knowmad> check out these search terms @ http://beta.webgui.org/demo1218108416_88/home/search/site-search
17:20 < knowmad>   +news* -latest
17:20 < knowmad> the asterisk totally changes the results
17:21 < BartJol> cool, strange but cool
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17:26 < knowmad> the strange is what's bad
17:27 < knowmad> i updated my bug report and am hoping it's enough info for whoever built the search system to fix this issue
17:27 < knowmad> it's a pretty glaring bug IMO
17:30 < BartJol> yeah, it's bad when such a cool function doesn't work properly
17:31 <@Haarg> i believe it's because of the chinese work support section
17:31 <@Haarg> not sure of the best way to fix it, as i'm not yes certain what that code is supposed to do
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17:52 <@perlmonkey2> Is there some documentation showing how the auto-forms work?  When a Layout's edit form is submitted, if there are no checkboxes ticked, then Form::Checkbox is never called.  Yet somehow the Session::Form is getting the default values (probably from the asset), and I need to know where that happens.
17:56 <@Haarg> it's a bit complex how that happens
17:57 <@perlmonkey2> Haarg: I'm just putting traces in everything related so I can watch it happen :)
17:57 <@Haarg> processPropertiesFromFormPost calls session->form->process
17:57 <@Haarg> and includes the current value
17:58 <@Haarg> that goes through the formvalidator code, autoload etc
17:58 <@perlmonkey2> Haarg: btu I'm not even sure this happens in processPoerpertiesFromFormPost as there is nothing related to these properties in the form post.  
17:58 <@perlmonkey2> no checkboxes checked, means nothing posted.
17:59 <@Haarg> it does that for everything in the definition though
17:59 <@perlmonkey2> oh
17:59 <@perlmonkey2> Thanks
17:59 <@Haarg> that goes through the form validator, autoloader, etc
17:59 <@Haarg> and calls getValue
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18:29 < CIA-6> WebGUI: yung * r7182 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Search.pm): fixed: WebGUI Search errors - boolean search using filtering does not work
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19:03 <@tavisto> preaction, in the gallery asset.. did you setup the metadata to be extracted from the images using EXIFutils?
19:03 <@preaction> it is EXIF data, yes
19:04 <@tavisto> my friend is a photographer and he really likes the gallery asset (and plans to use it). However, he wanted to know if we could add several fields that he thought were important and missing
19:05 <@preaction> uh... i grab them all, and delete the ones that break things
19:05 <@preaction> if the EXIF field is in the photo, it's in the template
19:06 <@tavisto> He was going to send me a list of them since I can't remember all the ones he told me about. We posted a few of his pictures and all of the fields that showed up on his Vista machine did not show up in the gallery
19:06 <@preaction> which ones are missing? maybe they're ones I had to delete
19:06 <@preaction> then the underlying Perl module does not know about or handle those fields
19:07 <@tavisto> he spouted off a bunch that were in relation to gps coords and stuff photographers would care about :)
19:09 <@preaction> right, but how are they stored in the Exif data? i would suspect that the GPS coords are stored in some binary representation, which isn't automatically handled and we'd have to do manually.
19:09 <@preaction> possible, of course, but an RFE nonetheless
19:09 <@tavisto> oh yeah I definitely think that might be the case. What I'll do is get the list from him and then paste all of the 'missing fields
19:09 <@tavisto>  in the RFE
19:09 <@preaction> if you give me one of the images you're talking about, i have an idea
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19:10 <@tavisto> some of them were simple.. and yes I can give you some of his images.. he works for NOAA and takes some pretty amazing pics on their research projects
19:10 <@preaction> do they host with us? or do they have their own server?
19:10 <@preaction> if my idea works, I can give them a patch
19:10 <@tavisto> NOAA is not a client... yet :)
19:11 < ckotil> man, if you guye get NOAA that would be sweet
19:11 < ckotil> I might be doing work for them soon
19:11 <@tavisto> JT (my other buddy - not Rizen) works for NW Labs in washington
19:12 <@tavisto> so my visit was to see a good friend... and also make use of an opportunity to expand our reach into the govt.
19:12 < ckotil> nice
19:12 < perlDreamer> I still think we need to take over the Papa John's website
19:12 <@tavisto> sweet ckotil, they are a great group to work with I'm told
19:13 <@tavisto> yes, and we can barter an intranet for pizza
19:15 <@perlmonkey2> okay, a day later I'm finally at where preaction was on this issue of the bug where you can't uncheck all assets to be unhidden in a Layout.
19:16 <@perlmonkey2> This bit of logic in Form::Control is the issue and there isn't a good way to solve it, I don't think.
19:16 <@perlmonkey2> http://webgui.pastebin.com/d300c8799
19:17 <@perlmonkey2> if no value is passed in grab the default value.  Probably correct behavior for most cases, except where we have a checkbox list with nothing checked.
19:17 < perlDreamer> So this actually affects _all_ checklists, not just this one.
19:17 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: that would be my assumption
19:18 <@preaction> what definition sub is that using? Form::Controls?
19:18 <@perlmonkey2> any asset with a checkbox list could not have its properties changes so that once a box is ticked, at least 1 other box will laways have to be ticked.
19:18 <@perlmonkey2> preaction: that is from new in Form::Control
19:19 <@preaction> okay, but that's just instanciating a form control, right? 
19:19 <@perlmonkey2> yes which then getValue is called on
19:20 <@perlmonkey2> FormValidator::process does my @values = $self->$type($params); which creates the Form::asset and calls getValue on
19:20 <@preaction> line 222 of lib/WebGUI/Form/List.pm is the problem
19:20 <@perlmonkey2> $params is the %hash from Asset::processPropertiesFromFormPost
19:21  * perlmonkey2 wonders how he could have possible missed that CheckBox was not a Control, but a List
19:22 <@perlmonkey2> for a list there shouldn't be a defaultValue?  Nothing passed in means we want null?
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19:25 <@preaction> or look below that, in getDefaultValue. that doesn't loook right at all
19:26 <@preaction> the problem is that getDefaultValue is getting called at all. the default value (when it comes to assets) shouldn't be used if the control was displayed to the user
19:26 <@preaction> it should only be used if the asset was added through the API and not the UI, and it should be used to show the initial value when the UI is displayed for adding a new asset
19:26 <@perlmonkey2> yeah, I commented 222 out and it works great for the Layout checkboxes
19:27 <@preaction> but when a list-like form control doesn't have an entry, it doesn't get added to the form post, and WebGUI assumes it wasn't shown and sets a default value
19:27 <@preaction> for our problem, "value" is more important than "defaultValue"
19:28 <@preaction> so it's multiple problems: one, getDefaultValue is being called. two, "value" is being used because it's more important than defaultValue
19:28 <@preaction> i think for list types, we might have to make defaultValue more important than value
19:30 <@perlmonkey2> I'm not tracking.  I would have thought that defaultValue shouldn't have any importance with List types.  They should default to nothing?
19:31 <@preaction> what if you want it to default to something when creating an asset using addChild?
19:32 <@perlmonkey2> I still haven't fully grokked getDefaultValue, getValue and get('value')
19:32 <@perlmonkey2> so I don't know :)
19:35 <@perlmonkey2> preaction: I'm feeling a little out of my depth on this one and am deferring to you and how best to proceed.
19:35 <@preaction> getValue is the value from the form
19:35 <@preaction> getDefaultValue is either the "value" property or the "defaultValue" property
19:36 <@perlmonkey2> simple enough
19:36 <@preaction> getValue calls getDefaultValue if it needs to, and in our case here it's calling it but doesn't need to
19:37 <@perlmonkey2> So remove the call?
19:37 <@preaction> can't, we actually do need to call it, but not in this one case
19:37 <@preaction> the problem: how do we determine if we need to call it?
19:37 <@perlmonkey2> and how do we tell getValue not to call getDefaultValue?
19:37 < perlDreamer> can we get a list of existant form variables?
19:37 <@perlmonkey2> move the logic up further in the form and add a special flag to this getValue?
19:37 < perlDreamer> if it exists as a form variable, we always use the form variable, regardless of its value
19:38 <@preaction> perlDreamer, no. if a list type doesn't have a value selected, it doesn't show up as a query parameter
19:38 < perlDreamer> if it doesn't we should use the "backup" logic
19:38 < perlDreamer> that sucks
19:38 <@preaction> i'm thinking if session->request exists, we use that no matter what
19:38 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: this isnt' the first time that checkboxes not showing up as empty params has bit me :(
19:39 < perlDreamer> preaction, session->request always exists
19:39 < perlDreamer> even in tests, now
19:40 < perlDreamer> WebGUI.pm, line 405
19:41 < perlDreamer> Every WebGUI page fetch gets a Request object
19:41 < perlDreamer> it might be empty (with no form data), but it's there
19:41 <@perlmonkey2> I like have FormValidator test for Lists and then call getValue($value,DONTGETDEFAULTVALUE) on only list types
19:45 <@perlmonkey2> Bad idea?
19:48 <@preaction> probably. when would we use that?
19:48 <@preaction> i'm almost going towards not giving the "value" field to the form element in processPropertysFromFormPost
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19:50 <@perlmonkey2> preaction: I'm thinking we would use that flag everytime a List is processed in FormValidator
19:51 <@perlmonkey2> or I guess the same effect could be had by putting that in Asset::processPostFromForm
19:52 <@perlmonkey2> I mean processProperties
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19:56 < topsub> After a product is added to the cart what callback gets called? So i could say have it redirect to the shopping cart?
20:00 <@perlmonkey2> So preaction, in FormValidation::AUTOLOAD we could test if $control isa List and then return $control->getValue(@args,NODEFAULTVALUE)
20:00 <@perlmonkey2> that seem like a good place for it?  Should only get used when a form is submitted, right?
20:01 <@Haarg> that seems rather ugly
20:02 <@perlmonkey2> Haarg: If List types should not call getDefaultValue when used with the UI, but use it with the API, won't there have to be a clunky special case flag+logic in there?
20:06 <@Haarg> preaction: you have to supply value for file fields
20:06 < perlDreamer> topsub, the url for buying is func=buy
20:06 < perlDreamer> you can trace it from there
20:06 <@Haarg> well, lists shouldn't need to be special, and really only multi select lists are the issue here
20:07 <@Haarg> and getting the default value isn't really a problem, only getting value
20:08  * SDuensin hates CSS.
20:08 <@perlmonkey2> Haarg: I thought getting the defaultvalue was the problme.  We don't want the default value if there is no value, bcause that means none of the check boxes were checked and we want undef as the value.
20:08 <@Haarg> the default value is undef though
20:08 < SDuensin> Anyone else have problems with vertical alignment of the content when using the site builder provided template?
20:08 <@perlmonkey2> It doesn't become the last value?
20:09 <@Haarg> no, but 'value' does
20:09 <@perlmonkey2> foreach my $value ($self->get("value"), $self->get("defaultValue")) {
20:09 <@perlmonkey2> that is for List::getDefaultValue
20:09 <@Haarg> SDuensin, what kind of problems?
20:09 < SDuensin> Here, Haarg - http://test.cloudcircle.com/discuss/discussion-forums/general-chatter/test7#L_aiSLUIfcaDnpRZD71OCQ
20:10 <@Haarg> ah yeah
20:10 <@Haarg> clear:both in some of the templates
20:10 < SDuensin> I'm too dumb to fix it.
20:10 <@perlmonkey2> So then for getDefaultValue for a list type we woudl only return the defaultValue never just the value?
20:10 <@Haarg> possibly, i'm not certain
20:11 <@Haarg> SDuensin, if you apply a overflow: hidden to #mainBodyContentContainer i think that may help
20:11 <@perlmonkey2> but that would make sense because if nothing is passed in, we don't want 'value'?  I can't think of a form type where you would?  
20:12 < SDuensin> I'll try it, Haarg - thanks!
20:12 <@Haarg> if you set value and default value, and call getDefaultValue, you want it to get the value
20:13 <@perlmonkey2> Haarg: but for a form type, if there is no passed in value, you wouldn't want the asset def value woudl you?
20:13 <@Haarg> but if you call getValue you don't
20:13 <@perlmonkey2> for a List getValue calls getDefaultValue if doesn't find antyhing.
20:13 <@Haarg> yeah
20:13 <@Haarg> seems like maybe it shouldn't
20:13 <@Haarg> maybe just get('defaultValue')
20:14 < SDuensin> Thank you!  I would *never* have found that.
20:15 <@Haarg> that's probably a modification we should do in the site builder
20:15  * SDuensin agrees.
20:16 <@Haarg> perlDreamer, i'm using a modified User.t from you to change how user profile fields are retrieved
20:16 <@Haarg> is it ok to commit that file?
20:16 < SDuensin> Unfortunately, we've found a few issues with the site builder templates.
20:16 <@perlmonkey2> Haarg: removing the call to getDefaultValue from getValue makes the Layout checkboxes work as expected.  Only removing the get('value') from getDefaultValue breaks the Layout checkboxes.
20:17 <@Haarg> well, you wouldn't want getDefaultValue to skip value
20:17 < SDuensin> There's some weirdness in IE with the blog templates, too.  Been ignoring it for now.  :-)
20:17 <@Haarg> i was thinking maybe getValue for lists should not use getDefaultValue, but just get the defaultValue themselves
20:18 < perlDreamer> Haarg, what exactly is different about it?
20:18 < SDuensin> Or, maybe they were related.  That'd be convenient.
20:18 < perlDreamer> paste a patch?
20:18 <@perlmonkey2> Haarg: right, because all calls are to getValue with either a $value passed in or not, and you don't pass in the value if you want the properties
20:19 <@perlmonkey2> that logic seems repetitive.  Seems like the properties are already going to be used if getValue doens't return something.  hmm, but maybe I'm wrong.
20:19 <@Haarg> perlDreamer, http://webgui.pastebin.com/m7997b426
20:21  * perlmonkey2 wonders off in search of food.
20:21 <@Haarg> also, this really only applies to multiselect lists
20:21 < perlDreamer> Haarg, I think you need to merge in the leaky group tests
20:21 < perlDreamer> aside from that, it's fine
20:21 <@Haarg> single select lists should be using the code as it is i think
20:22 < perlDreamer> and the getGroupIdsRecursive test
20:22 <@Haarg> is that the stuff you added recently?
20:22 < perlDreamer> yes, within the last week
20:22 <@Haarg> ok
20:22 < perlDreamer> I found a whole slew of other bug with that test
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20:27 < CIA-6> WebGUI: jt * r7183 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 5 dirs): Exposed user and url fields to shop vendors.
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20:38 < slickware> question:
20:38 < slickware> if I upload an html file as a snippet to a PB reseller host site, will it display as HTML if I access it directly?
20:39 <@preaction> slickware, try it and see, but i think yes
20:40 < slickware> i'm trying to get a workaround for not being able to run a perl script from a reseller site
20:40 < perlDreamer> HTTP Proxy asset, perhaps?
20:40 < slickware> and this one can be hosted offsite and accesd by httpproxy, but I still need an on-site html template for the results
20:40 < slickware> at least, I think I do
20:41 < slickware> would I use the snippet tool or just filepile it?
20:42 <@preaction> you would use the snippet tool
20:42 < perlDreamer> If you try to upload it as a File, it will probably be filtered since WebGUI has XSS prevention code in there
20:42 <@preaction> or an article might work just as well
20:43 < slickware> it needs an .html extension
20:43 <@preaction> a ziparchive asset can get around the HTML filter, but that's more for zipping up an entire site and uploading it
20:43 <@preaction> so give it an .html extention in the URL field?
20:43 < slickware> really...
20:43 < slickware> hmm
20:56  * perlDreamer lunches...
21:18 < slickware> can anyone explain how to use the redirect wobject? I thought I had it, but it doesn't seem to be doing anything at all
21:18 <@preaction> you have to actually visit the redirect asset URL directly
21:19 <@preaction> then it will redirect you
21:19 < slickware> ...
21:19 <@preaction> not if it just shows up on the page (which was its old behavior, iirc)
21:19 < slickware> so... how can I make a page, in my page tree, that also redirects you?
21:19 < slickware> or do I just "not hide" the redirect wobject from navigation
21:20 <@preaction> the second one: don't hide it from navigation
21:20 < slickware> k 
21:22 < slickware> then... how can I move it around in the navigation menus?
21:22 <@preaction> the same way you'd move anything else around, change its rank
21:22 <@preaction> or cut/paste it
21:22 <@preaction> treat it like any other page
21:22 < slickware> but... it's *on* a page
21:22 < slickware> where is its rank now?
21:23 <@preaction> in the Asset Manager
21:23 < slickware> oh
21:23 <@preaction> all assets are their own pages, some assets display other assets
21:23 < slickware> i'm still used to the completely awesome up/down upup/downdown arrows
21:24 < slickware> well, that was fun
21:24 < slickware> and simpler than I thought
21:24 < slickware> after I sat there for a minute going, how the hell do I change rank, and then I clicked on it
21:25 <@preaction> are you in 7.5? you just enter the new rank. on 7.4, it's drag and drop
21:25 < slickware> 7.4. reseller host.
21:25 < slickware> still waiting on 7.5
21:26 <@preaction> yay 7.5!
21:26 < slickware> yeah... I can't wait to have the expire-on-Xdate back
21:26 < slickware> that's in 7.5 again, right?
21:26 <@preaction> yes
21:26 < slickware> thank god
21:30 < hightekvagabond> 7.4 is considered the stable though, right?
21:30 < perlDreamer> It's very stable.
21:30 < perlDreamer> Unchanging
21:31 < slickware> where can I find the context for using the GroupText macro
21:31 < perlDreamer> on the wiki
21:31 < slickware> (side note: I giggle every time I say that)
21:32 < slickware> curse the wiki
21:32 < slickware> shouldn't it be in the help file? in the 'macros, list of' section!?
21:32 < perlDreamer> whatever
21:32 < perlDreamer> That's a list of macros which you can use
21:32 < slickware> right
21:32 < perlDreamer> to learn how to use them, that info is in the wiki
21:32 < slickware> but, why not add a context column to that table
21:33 < perlDreamer> maybe I'm not understanding your question
21:33 < perlDreamer> you just want to know where you can use a macro
21:33 < slickware> well
21:33 < slickware> I mean if i'm looking up macros
21:33 < slickware> what good is a list of macros that doesn't say HOW to use them
21:33 < slickware> especially something like grouptext, which requires 2 variables in the ();
21:34 < perlDreamer> well, we could make every macro name a link back to the wiki
21:34 < perlDreamer> but then people who make custom macros couldn't make their own macro docs
21:34 < perlDreamer> since it wouldn't be cool to have custom macro docs on the wiki
21:34 < slickware> or they could link to their macro docs from the WG wiki
21:35 < perlDreamer> and some people have wG website which don't connect to the internet, only to small, private local networks
21:35 < slickware> ah
21:35 < slickware> so exactly
21:35 < slickware> WG macro usage should be defined int he WG help file!
21:37 < perlDreamer> You can always post that as an RFE
21:37 <@perlmonkey2> Haarg: a single select list can have zero boxes checked also, can't it?  Then woudlnt' it suffer the same problem?
21:37 <@preaction> yes
21:39 <@perlmonkey2> So we have a couple of options.  Remove the call to getDefaultValue from getValue or add in a clunky flag.  Any other possible solutions I'm missing?
21:40 <@perlmonkey2> Because I guess the solution is to write some tests to run through this and see which options work for all possible uses.
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21:51 <@Haarg> i'm not sure on the single select thing.  i can't think of a case where you have a single select where it would be valid to send back nothing.
21:52 < perlDreamer> There are drop down lists (like in the Product), where there is not a Select All.. option.  None are initially selected.
21:53 < perlDreamer> sorry.  Not Select All, but Select one
21:54 <@Haarg> in a drop down?
21:54 < perlDreamer> Yes
21:54 <@Haarg> because a drop down is going to end up selecting something
21:55 < perlDreamer> I see.  So this would only pertain to check lists (single or multi select)
21:55 <@Haarg> or multi select list boxes
21:55 <@perlmonkey2> hah, so then CheckList has its own special getValue which doens't call getDefaultValue.  Solved???
21:56 <@Haarg> i think so
21:56 <@perlmonkey2> okay, I'll test it and then write some tests for it.  Unless writing tests is less important than getting all the bugs smashed by tomorrow.
21:56 <@preaction> tests!
21:57 <@Haarg> tests
21:57 < perlDreamer> tests
21:57 <@rizen> testing is for sissys
21:57 <@Haarg> given how long the discussion took, making sure we stay consistant with that is important
21:57 <+MrHairgrease> rizen++
21:57 < perlDreamer> with tests, when you fix it, people will know when it breaks
21:57 < perlDreamer> like the code that rizen just submitted
21:57  * preaction embraces his sissinessss
21:58  * perlmonkey2 must be new here.
22:00 <@perlmonkey2> From the UI, that resolves it.  Now to write a test to try it from the API.  
22:11 < perlDreamer> Hey, did someone implement the move content to another version tag RFE?
22:11 <@preaction> perlDreamer, yes
22:11 < perlDreamer> the RFEs not closed
22:11 <@preaction> i think. it was Radix_'s RFE, perhaps he should verify
22:11 <@preaction> i think i had to fudge something
22:12 <@preaction> or maybe that was the Registration Form one
22:12 <@preaction> Ryan McCombs has a PBWG now?
22:12 <@preaction> nice
22:13 < perlDreamer> yup
22:14 <@preaction> does that mean i get the 5247 karma that was applied to that RFE?
22:15 < perlDreamer> sure.  Why not?
22:16 <@perlmonkey2> preaction: okay, I don't think I understood what you meant when you said a checkList would need access to its defaultValue if it was created with addChild.
22:16 <@preaction> perlmonkey2, when addChild is called, Asset->update goes through the definition and grabs defaultValue
22:16 <@preaction> but, a form control is never created
22:17 <@preaction> it just grabs the defaultValue from the definition
22:17 <@perlmonkey2> preaction: Do I need to check if asset->update calls getDefaultValue or getValue?
22:17 <@preaction> no, you can, but i know it doesn't
22:18 <@preaction> update doesn't make the form controls at all, too expensive for too common an operation
22:18 <@perlmonkey2> So it directly accesses the properties.  So then there shouldn't be any problem with making getValue no longer also check getDefaultValue?
22:19 <@preaction> right
22:27 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r7184 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/User.pm t/User.t): fixed: user profile defaults can contain arbitrary perl code
22:27 < CIA-6> WebGUI: translation * r7185 /translations/Russian/ (46 files in 2 dirs): Update from translation server
22:27 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r7186 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/User.pm: oops
22:27 < CIA-6> WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7187 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Layout can now uncheck all hidden assets. CheckList now has its own getValue which does not call getDefaultValue.
22:53 <@rizen> i can't believe i just read what i read
22:53 <@rizen> no absolutely not
22:53 <@rizen> getValue MUST call getDefaultValue
22:53 <@rizen> and not read it from the properties
22:54 <@perlmonkey2> okay, I'll move it back.
22:54 <@perlmonkey2> But it works.  I wrote tests for it.
22:54 <@perlmonkey2> and there is a bug if it calls getDefaultValue
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23:01 <@rizen> maybe we need a separate method called getOriginalValue()
23:02 <@perlmonkey2> rizen: it had been mentioned that for a checklist getValue would never need to get the defaultValue.
23:03 <@rizen> that's not true
23:03 <@rizen> there are several reasons why it may need to
23:03 <@rizen> the first of which is taint checking
23:04 <@rizen> what if someone submits something just over the url without actually using the form we generated?
23:04 <@rizen> but secondly, FormValidator can be used offline
23:04 <@rizen> to validate data pulled in from a csv file for example
23:05 <@perlmonkey2> rizen: okay, then what about having CheckList::getDefaultValue not get the value property, just the default property?
23:06 <@rizen> which is what i'm saying
23:06 <@perlmonkey2> oh
23:06 <@rizen> getDefaultValue should get the default value only
23:06 <@rizen> and then getOriginalValue returns the value property
23:06 < perlDreamer> how is that different from ->get('value') and getValue?
23:07 <@rizen> and the toHtml then would use getOriginalValue() to draw the form
23:07 <@rizen> also getOriginalValue() would call getDefaultValue() if no original value exists
23:07 <@rizen> PD, how it's different is that the raw value can be lots of things
23:07 <@rizen> it could be a hash reference
23:07 <@rizen> or it could be a delimited list of options
23:08 <@rizen> in the case of a list
23:08 <@rizen> and getOriginalValue() and getDefaultValue's jobs are to figure out what kind of data structure was passed in
23:08 <@rizen> and format it appropriately
23:08 <@rizen> so in many form controls, getDefaultValue and getOriginalValue might just return the raw property
23:09 <@rizen> but in the case of lists it does some special processing
23:09 <@rizen> that's why i don't want people circumventing the API
23:09 <@rizen> if the API is broken, then fix it, but don't work around it
23:09 <@rizen> i'm sorry...not a hash reference, but an array reference
23:10 < perlDreamer> yeah, I knew what you meant
23:10 <+MrHairgrease> In the Nav wobject the page.indent_loop tmpl_loop is based on page.relDepth.
23:10 <+MrHairgrease> page.relDepth can be -something however
23:10 <+MrHairgrease> causing the indent_loop not to indent for the pages for which that condtion applies
23:10 <@rizen> how can it be negative MHG?
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23:11 <+MrHairgrease> reldepth = lineage of cur page - lineage ofstartpoint
23:11 <+MrHairgrease> if you include ancestors
23:11 <@rizen> oh for anscenstors
23:11 <@rizen> yeah
23:11 <+MrHairgrease> yeah
23:11 <+MrHairgrease> should i fixc that?
23:11 <@rizen> yup
23:11 <@rizen> please do
23:11 <@rizen> good find
23:11 <+MrHairgrease> it also solves the l;i ul problems
23:12 <@rizen> nice
23:12 <@rizen> perlmonkey2 so do you get me?
23:12 <+MrHairgrease> I was checking out that problem for rogier of united knowledge
23:12 <+MrHairgrease> will fix it tomorrow then
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23:15 <@perlmonkey2> rizen: sure
23:16 <@perlmonkey2> rizen: Do you want this method only added to the CheckList or to all Form types?
23:16 <@Haarg> all types
23:17 <+MrHairgrease> perlDreamer: what part of Selenium does the website -> image conversion?
23:17 <@perlmonkey2> And the FormValidator needs to use it then?
23:17 < perlDreamer> It's a JS method in the browser, MrHairgrease
23:17 <@Haarg> i don't know if FormValidator will need to change
23:17 <+MrHairgrease> aha
23:17 < perlDreamer> I believe it's exposed through the API down to perl, but if not, you can build a Selenium control file with a browser and then just replay it
23:18 <+MrHairgrease> but you still need a browser then
23:18 <+MrHairgrease> and hence X
23:18 < perlDreamer> yes, and yes
23:18 < perlDreamer> but it's already setup to be automated
23:18 <+MrHairgrease> so that's still no solution unfortunately
23:18 < perlDreamer> rather than rolling your own
23:18 < perlDreamer> hm
23:18 <@Haarg> i think checklist will still have a special case, but it will be to ignore getOriginalValue and use getDefaultValue
23:18 <+MrHairgrease> the idea is that I install something on the server that does the snapshoting
23:19 <@Haarg> where the rest of the forms will need to be adjusted to use getOriginalValue
23:19 <+MrHairgrease> and rig that to import the images into the db
23:19 <@perlmonkey2> So every Form type needs their getDefaultValue to not get the value property, and have a new getOriginalValue method to get the value property.  And then the new method needs to be worked into the FormValidator/processPropertiesFromForm?
23:19 <@Haarg> into getValue
23:20 < perlDreamer> that's going to require X on whatever box does it.
23:20 <@Haarg> formvalidator etc call getvalue
23:20 <@Haarg> it should call getoriginalvalue
23:20 <@perlmonkey2> Haarg: okay.  But in the CheckList that new method wouldn't be called?
23:21 <@Haarg> getOriginalValue will basically be what getDefaultValue is now
23:21 <@perlmonkey2> it will do exactly the same from what I can tell.  It will attempt to get the value property and fall back to the default value property, which is what getDefaultValue does, right?
23:22 <@Haarg> for most form types, getValue will call getOriginalValue.  for checklist, it will call getDefaultValue instead
23:22 <@Haarg> basically, it's just renaming getDefaultValue
23:22 <@perlmonkey2> But now getDefaultValue should no longer do that, it should only get the default value property.
23:22 <@Haarg> because that isn't an accurate name
23:22 <@Haarg> yes
23:22 <@perlmonkey2> groovy
23:23 <@perlmonkey2> I think I got it straight.  This will be a large change.  I have a feeling I'm about to earn my "messed things up in a spectacular way" stripes soon.
23:23 <@Haarg> well, if you just rename getDefaultValue everywhere i think it will be ok
23:24 < perlDreamer> perlmonkey2: lots and lots of tests
23:24 <@Haarg> there will probably be some cleanup to do afterward
23:24 <@Haarg> to take advantage of the change
23:24 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: hah, so much for getting the bug list cleaned out this week :P
23:24 < perlDreamer> perlmonkey2, you're probably preventing about 8 future bugs, so it still counts
23:25 <@Haarg> i know i ran into this issue before
23:25 < perlDreamer> plus, we need those tests for preventing future bugs and as documentation for API usage
23:25 <@perlmonkey2> I can't explain how helpful it has been workign on this bug though.  The auto-magic-form was one of the most confusing things about WG for me.  This has all been quite enlightening.
23:26 < perlDreamer> re testing, feel free to scrap all the tests in Form that you need to develop what you need
23:29 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: okay ;)
23:30 < perlDreamer> preaction and I have talked about reimplementing those tests using his WebGUI::Test::Maker, to reduce the amount of duplicated code
23:30 < perlDreamer> but those tests would also work well as Test::Class tests
23:31 < perlDreamer> so you could setup tests for the base class, then then inherit them for children to test inheritance and overriding
23:37 <@perlmonkey2> Don't sweat the 7189 rollback comments.  User.pm is still 7188.
23:39 <@perlmonkey2> getValue won't call getOriginalValue, but continue to call getDefaultValue?
23:40 <@perlmonkey2> just double checking :)
23:41 <@Haarg> in all cases but checklist, yes
23:41 <@Haarg> or wait
23:41 <@Haarg> other way around
23:41 <@Haarg> getValue should use getOriginalValue, except for checklist
23:42 <@perlmonkey2> hmm, weird, Control::getValue only calls getValueFromPost
23:42 <@perlmonkey2> which then calls getDefaultValue...okay I should be able to figure it out from here......I hope
23:43 <@Haarg> preaction: what was the deal that led to moving that code from getValue to FromPost?
23:43 <@preaction> backwards compatibility
23:43 <@preaction> all my form controls for client sites override getValueFromPost
23:43 <@Haarg> ah
23:44  * perlmonkey2 searches around for a way to pass this off to perlDreamer :P
23:44 <@preaction> so if WebGUI calls getValue, and there is no getValue in my child class, it goes up to WebGUI::Form::Control->getValue. if that doesn't end up calling my overridden getValueFromPost, that breaks my form control
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23:44 <@perlmonkey2> hahahahha!
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23:45 <@Haarg> yeah, i saw the comment about backward compat, but wasn't thinking in terms of overriding
23:50 <@perlmonkey2> preaction: so your overridden getValueFromPost will break if getDefaultValue changes?
23:50 <@preaction> no
23:50 <@preaction> before getDefaultValue existed (it was added in 7.5.11), people used get("defaultValue"), which works, it's just ugly
23:50 <@preaction> the new API is much nicer
23:53 <@Haarg> ugh
23:53 <@perlmonkey2> okay so there is no legacy code out there that will break if we change getDefaultValue to getOriginalValue and make getDefaultValue just get('defaultValue') ?
23:53 <@Haarg> getting the language for a user needs to use the internationalization system
23:53 <@Haarg> which needs the user to be initialized
23:54 <@preaction> perlmonkey2, no. getDefaultValue was recently added
23:54 < cluelessDreamer> Haarg, right, because that's a user profile field.
23:54 -!- cluelessDreamer is now known as perlDreamer
23:54 <@Haarg> yeah
23:55 <@perlmonkey2> preaction: thanks.  And thanks for being patient with my plethora of questions.
23:55 <@Haarg> i fixed part of it, but missed this bit
23:55 < perlDreamer> I keep wondering whether parts of this should be promoted to real user properties
23:55 < perlDreamer> like language, email address, etc.
23:55 <@Haarg> possibly, but that wouldn't help
23:56 < perlDreamer> no, you're right
23:57 <@Haarg> well, i can fix it
23:57 <@Haarg> as long as nobody gets clever and sticks a i18n call in the language default value
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00:00 <@rizen> perlmonkey2: sorry someone at the door
00:00 <@rizen> add it to all
00:00 <@perlmonkey2> rizen: can do 
00:02 <@perlmonkey2> rizen: oh, I confirmed with Haarg but wanted to confirm with you.  CheckList will stay a special case an only use the new getDefaultValue and not the new getOriginalValue, since the bug that kicked this off is when a form is submitted with no checkmarks checked.
00:02 <@rizen> not true
00:02 <@rizen> were you not paying attention to what i said before
00:03 <@rizen> getOriginalValue will need to be used in all of the toHTML methods of all forms
00:03 <@rizen> otherwise it won't be able to render it
00:03 <@perlmonkey2> I meant in the getValue call
00:03 <@rizen> that's still not a special case
00:04 <@rizen> ALL forms should have getValue calling getDefaultValue
00:04 <@rizen> not getOriginalValue
00:04 <@rizen> hence why you need to update the toHTML method of ALL form controls to use getOriginalValue
00:05 <@perlmonkey2> so getValue will no longer ever return the property 'value' for any form type?
00:05 <@rizen> correct
00:05 <@Haarg> yeah, i was thinking about that wrong
00:05 <@rizen> it will either return the form value, or it will return the default value
00:05 <@Haarg> one exception being File
00:05 <@perlmonkey2> k, so CheckList isnt' a special case because all form types now work it will work.  got it.
00:07 < hightekvagabond> ok.... stupid question.... what does WRE stand for?
00:08 <@Haarg> webgui runtime environment
00:08 < hightekvagabond> thank you
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00:54 < perlDreamer> Haarg, since the keys of the languages are the label entry in the language specific LANGUAGE hash, I think you're safe.  If they do do that, it would never work correctly.
00:54 <@Haarg> yeah
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01:18 < knowmad> anyone have an idea why the Admin console would show no workflows but spectre.pl --status would show a suspended workflow (well, it varies between running, suspended and waiting)
01:18 < knowmad> btw, the WorkflowInstance table is empty
01:19 < knowmad> and there are no other sites running (no other webgui databases for that matter)
01:19 < knowmad> it's like i have a ghost workflow stuck somewhere in spectre... maybe a restart
01:25 < knowmad> for posterity's sake (since i'm talking to myself), the reset cleared up spectre
01:36 <@perlmonkey2> I'm buying 1 beverage of choice for every minor, critical, or fatal bug resolved by a non-pb employee at the wuc.  
01:37 <@perlmonkey2> Which means everyone is in luck, because that describes most of the reamining bugs.
01:43 <@perlmonkey2> Form/Asset::getValueAsHtml is being moved to getOriginalValue since it returns a link.
01:44 <@rizen> knowmad, spectre keeps an internal running queue of workflows separate from the workflowinstance table
01:44 <@rizen> if someone manually deleted something from the workflow instance table, or for some reason webgui couldn't communicate with spectre when that instance was deleted
01:45 <@rizen> then you would run into the scenario you just found
01:45 <@rizen> and restarting spectre will fix that problem, because it will rebuild it's queue from the workflow instance table at startup
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01:45 <@perlmonkey2> I'm not sure if this is correct, but will leave it as is unless someone tells me.  But the Control form toHtml returns the properties value instead the properties value or the deafault.  It would seem it should use the new getOriginalValue method.
01:46 <@rizen> yes, that should return getOriginalValue
01:46 <@perlmonkey2> groovy, thanks rizen
01:47 <@rizen> same with toHtmlAsHidden
01:47 <@perlmonkey2> got it
01:47 <@rizen> you may just want to grep the code for direct references to value
01:48 <@rizen> cuz we want none of that
01:48 <@rizen> but don't get too side tracked
01:48 <@rizen> =)
01:49 <@perlmonkey2> yeah, I'll make sure that all $self->get('value') are changed.
01:50  * perlmonkey2 will be back to the party after dinner.
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01:59 <@preaction> Haarg, how did you fix the pagination "anomaly"? 
02:00 <@Haarg> for the 'up to 10' template var, it was calculating 5 forward and 5 back, then limiting to the real range
02:00 <@Haarg> instead of basing the end point on the actual start point it was using
02:01 <@Haarg> plus there was an off by one error
02:01 <@preaction> ah, so it wasn't working as it was supposed to
02:01 <@preaction> it sounded like it was, just in an unexpected way
02:30 < perlDreamer> rizen, you're saying that in Form/*.pm, that $self->get('value') should become $self->getOriginalValue() ?
02:31 <@Haarg> in most places
02:31 < perlDreamer> which defines one from the others in most?
02:31 <@Haarg> as in i can't think of any time would wouldn't use it
02:32 < perlDreamer> so if I were to
02:33 < perlDreamer> find Form -name '*.pm' -exec perl -pi -e 's/self->get..value../self->getOriginalValue/;' {} \;
02:33 < perlDreamer> and make sure the test suite passes
02:33 < perlDreamer> and that the diff makes sense
02:33 < perlDreamer> and WebGUI still works
02:33 <@Haarg> you can probably regex it if you want, but i'd double check as many places as you can
02:34 < perlDreamer> there are 35 of them
02:34 <@Haarg> we probably also need to make sure it is consistant in terms of getValue setting the value or not
02:35 <@Haarg> i seem to remember it does in some places but not others
02:35 < perlDreamer> what does a "good one" look like?
02:35 < perlDreamer> $self->set('value', $value); ?
02:36 <@Haarg> basically
02:36 <@Haarg> seems like it should consistantly save it
02:36 <@Haarg> well, i'm off for a while
02:37 < perlDreamer> thanks for your help today, Haarg
02:38 <@Haarg> no problem.  had to get fixed somehow, and the faster we can figure out the best solution the better.
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02:49 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r7188 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): 
02:49 < CIA-6> WebGUI: Update tests for new profile field handling.
02:49 < CIA-6> WebGUI: Change how the profileField method works in User.pm
02:49 < CIA-6> WebGUI: Reindent some User.pm method according to WGBP.
02:49 < CIA-6> WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7189 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Rolled back to 7186 removing CheckList changes
02:49 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r7190 /WebGUI/t/i18n/critic_labels.t: skip Perl::Critic tests if unable to load modules
02:49 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r7191 /WebGUI/www/extras/assetToolbar/assetToolbar.css: display asset toolbar inline
02:50 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r7192 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Session/Form.pm: don't dual check for form parameters
02:50 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r7193 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Operation/Shared.pm: don't initialize i18n in secureEval unless needed - avoid endless loop on language user profile field
02:50 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r7194 /WebGUI/t/ (6 files in 3 dirs): request->body and request->param should be the same in tests
02:50 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r7195 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Paginator.pm): fixed: paginator doesn't show correct number of page links with a limit applied
02:50 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r7196 /WebGUI/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.5.19 release
02:50 < CIA-6> WebGUI: jt * r7197 /releases/WebGUI_7.5.19-beta: Release 7.5.19-beta
02:50 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r7198 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): preparing for 7.5.20 dev
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03:29 <@perlmonkey2> graham, does that mean I owe you 4 beers?
03:29 <@perlmonkey2> :)
03:31 <@perlmonkey2> oh, he's not on.
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04:26 < perlDreamer> perlmonkey2: if you want some test support, I have free time this evening
04:26 < perlDreamer> I can't take the boys to swim lessons tonight
04:26 < perlDreamer> Tim ripped open a huge blister on his hand playing on the monkey bars, and the pool is pretty strict about open wounds
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05:09 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: back
05:09 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: I'm just now starting to look through the tests to see what needs to be changed
05:09 <@perlmonkey2> but everything in Form has been updated.  
05:13 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: monkey bar wounds can be brutal
05:15 <@perlmonkey2> this is for a bug, can everyone see the latest syndicated data on http://www.plainblack.com/ ?  Should be showing stuff for today.
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05:42 < perlDreamer> perlmonkey2, when I was visitor on pb.com earlier tonight, it was showing old syndicated data.
05:43 <@perlmonkey2> I'm trying with different browsers and can't get it to work.
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05:47 <@perlmonkey2> I wonder what an ListInput is.  Grepping From doesn't show it
05:48 <@perlmonkey2> But test 5 of Radio.t is failing on the getValue call on it
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05:48 <+perlDreamer> I AM PERLDREAMER
05:48 <+perlDreamer> w00t!
06:09 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: you got a sec?
06:09 <+perlDreamer> yeah
06:09 <@perlmonkey2> (09:47:49 PM) perlmonkey2: I wonder what an ListInput is.  Grepping From doesn't show it
06:09 <@perlmonkey2> (09:48:14 PM) perlmonkey2: But test 5 of Radio.t is failing on the getValue call on it
06:09 <+perlDreamer> and I got my nick back
06:09 <@perlmonkey2> hah :D
06:10 <@perlmonkey2> Dumping the input from Radio.t says it is a "ListInput"
06:10 <+perlDreamer> all tests pass for Form/Radio.t for me
06:11 <@perlmonkey2> oh, right.  I've changed almost every file in Form/
06:11 <@perlmonkey2> I'm just trying to figure out if I've broken anything by running the old tests.
06:11 <+perlDreamer> do you have ack installed yet?
06:11 <@perlmonkey2> nope
06:12 <@perlmonkey2> bug 'grep -R ListInput *' from /data/WebGUI shows nothing
06:12 <+perlDreamer> can you paste me the test segment, and the output
06:12 <+perlDreamer> man, this is when we need git
06:13 <@perlmonkey2> yeah 
06:13 <+perlDreamer> or, a private branch
06:14 <+perlDreamer> like WebGUI_survey
06:14 <@perlmonkey2> http://webgui.pastebin.com/d4e6ad103
06:14 <+perlDreamer> okay, I need to help brush and floss teeth here, back in 30
06:14 <@perlmonkey2> k
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06:31 <+perlDreamer> ha
06:31 <+perlDreamer> okay
06:31 <+perlDreamer> HTML::Form::ListInput comes from the HTML parser used to analyze the form that is made
06:32 <+perlDreamer> No defaultValue was set, only a value.
06:32 <+perlDreamer> but the value returned by the form should be the selected value, so offhand I'd say it's not working right.
06:33 <+perlDreamer> where "it" is WebGUI::Form::Radio.pm
06:33 <@perlmonkey2> right
06:33 <+perlDreamer> dump the HTML?
06:33 <@perlmonkey2> I'll try that
06:34 <@perlmonkey2> hmm, value="" in the html
06:35 <+perlDreamer> paste?
06:36  * perlDreamer is a habitual kibitzer
06:38 <@perlmonkey2> <form action="/" enctype="multipart/form-data" method="post" ><div class="formContents">
06:38 <@perlmonkey2> <input type="radio" name="radio1" value="" checked="checked"  />
06:38 <@perlmonkey2> </div></form>
06:38 <@perlmonkey2> I figure this channel is mostly dead, no reason I can't spam it.
06:38 <@perlmonkey2> so it looks like toHtml failed
06:38 <+perlDreamer> $self->get('value')
06:39 <@perlmonkey2> output that?
06:39 <+perlDreamer> yeah
06:39 <+perlDreamer> that line in toHtml, defined $value : ......
06:41 <@perlmonkey2> Selectfy
06:41 <@perlmonkey2> but getValue returned nothing
06:43 <@perlmonkey2> But I'm not sure how that ever worked because getValue for the control only returns what is passed in or getValueFromPost
06:43 <@perlmonkey2> and Radio isa Control.  So something is weird.
06:44 <+perlDreamer> Wanna paste Control.pm and Radio.pm?
06:44 <+perlDreamer> (out of channel)
06:45 <@perlmonkey2> Radio.pm http://webgui.pastebin.com/d15b57626
06:45 <@perlmonkey2> Control http://webgui.pastebin.com/d1b0cb585
06:47 <@perlmonkey2> I didn't change any getValues to call getDefaultValue if they didn't already make those calls.
06:48 <+perlDreamer> Radio.pm used to call $self->get('value');
06:48 <+perlDreamer> but $self->getValue attempts to get data from a POST
06:48 <+perlDreamer> so it doesn't look inside the object.
06:50 <+perlDreamer> I'm not sure that getValue is what wants to be used
06:50 <+perlDreamer> might want to backlog and see if rizen left any hints
06:50 <@perlmonkey2> oh, I messed up.  All the calls in the html generators should be getOriginalValue
06:51 <@perlmonkey2> not getValue, for the reason you staed
06:51 <@perlmonkey2> stated
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06:51 <@perlmonkey2> I'm pretty sure that's the only place I did that, but I'll double check
06:52 <+perlDreamer> good time to install ack
06:52 <+perlDreamer> ack is recursive by default
06:52 <+perlDreamer> uses perl regular expressions
06:53 <+perlDreamer> and by default, only searches perl files
06:53 <+perlDreamer> .pm, .pl, .t, and so on
06:53 <@perlmonkey2> claims to be better than grep
06:53 <@perlmonkey2> intresting :)
06:54 <@perlmonkey2> yay for Fedora repos
06:54 <+perlDreamer> yum install ack
06:54 <@perlmonkey2> course I need to get my mac configured and will just have to reinstall it there
06:55 <@perlmonkey2> silly $job requiring OS's :P
06:56 <@preaction> perlmonkey2, it's not required, feel free to install a linux distro on your lappy
06:56 <@perlmonkey2> preaction: maybe you are free, but I think JT gave me instructions to use MacOS
06:56 <@perlmonkey2> I'll go back through my IM logs and double check before I start setting up the mac
06:57 <@preaction> er.... kay...
06:57 <+perlDreamer> It's wrong to tell people which OS to use
06:57 <+perlDreamer> but when it comes to editors, there is only one choice
06:57 <@preaction> sed!
06:57 <@perlmonkey2> preaction: I think JT is probably pretty easy going, but I'd hate to start upsetting him my first week on the job.
06:57 <@perlmonkey2> vim
06:57 <@preaction> er... you did not just call JT easy-going, did you?
06:58 <@preaction> did you not hear the stories about the wG brand?
06:58 <+perlDreamer> He only gets upset if you bust a schedule.
06:58 <@preaction> i couldn't sit down for a week
06:58 <@perlmonkey2> easy-going in a completely overbearing hostile way, I mean :)
06:59 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: if I don't get this Form stuff done (fixing a single bug) and then knock out the other 20 bugs tomorrow, I will have "busted a schedule" :D
06:59 <+perlDreamer> contract schedule
06:59 <+perlDreamer> he knows this is big
07:00 <+perlDreamer> rizen's hot points are customer schedules, not taking responsibility for problems, and bragging/pride.
07:00 <+perlDreamer> oh, and he hates being called poochey-kins
07:00 <@perlmonkey2> seem very normal hotpoints to have
07:01 <@perlmonkey2> except that last
07:01 <@perlmonkey2> just strange, I mean who doens't like to be called that in public around your peers?
07:01 <+perlDreamer> nor around your peers, by your peers
07:02 <@preaction> i didn't think JT had any peers
07:02 <@preaction> just TARGETS
07:03  * perlmonkey2 sees if Amazon can overnight kevlar
07:06 <@perlmonkey2> preaction: what are you running on your mac?
07:06 <@preaction> uh... OS X?
07:06 <@preaction> i've tried ubuntu a couple times, but OS X works nicely
07:07 <+perlDreamer> I have three words for you
07:07 <+perlDreamer> Fe Do Ra
07:07 <@perlmonkey2> preaction: I'm not sure I'll be able to handle the terminal
07:07 <@perlmonkey2> gnome-terminal is where I have spent most of my adult life.
07:07 <@preaction> it's mainly the everyday programs, Mail, News, Web, Calendar, etc... that I like. If Evolution didn't suck nuts, I'd be back on Ubuntu
07:07 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: I've been running F since 3 :)
07:08 <@perlmonkey2> yeah, I don't use Evolution at all.  Thunderbird and Gnome applets
07:08 <+perlDreamer> Until you've run kgcc in Red Hat 7, you haven't lived
07:08 <@preaction> though, i am interested in finding out what kind of battery life I could get with a Debian laptop, and the most minimal stuff I can find
07:08 <+perlDreamer> y'all should try kmail
07:08 <+perlDreamer> it's very good
07:08 <@preaction> KDE is turning into one big pile of PIMP
07:08 <+perlDreamer> I use Gnome for everything else
07:08 <@perlmonkey2> I'm happy with thunderbird.  It hadnles all my news feeds and my mail.
07:09 <@preaction> gnome should just give up, they've completely lost touch with what making a desktop environment is
07:09 <@perlmonkey2> and so the holy wars begin
07:09 <@preaction> perlmonkey2, have they got sunbird or whatever their calendaring app is working better?
07:09 <@perlmonkey2> haven't checked in a long time, but as far as I know, no
07:09 <@preaction> damn... that's what i want to use
07:10 <@preaction> Mail.app in OSX doesn't even allow you to switch between top-posting or bottom-posting when replying
07:10 <@perlmonkey2> if sunbird ever gets working, Mozilla will be all anyone ever needs
07:11 <@perlmonkey2> hmm, lightning is the sunbird plugin for thunderbird.  I'm giving it a go
07:11 <@preaction> looks like they're still making Lightning too, the Thunderbird extention for calendaring
07:12 <@preaction> GET OUT OF MY HEAD
07:12 <@perlmonkey2> :D
07:12 <+perlDreamer> doh
07:12 <+perlDreamer> shouldn't have told him your frequency, preaction
07:12 <+perlDreamer> sorry 'bout that
07:12 <@perlmonkey2> even in the fedora repo
07:12 <@preaction> it's not my fault that everybody uses the 2.4Ghz bandwidth
07:12 <+perlDreamer> perlmonkey2, you're in Indiana, right?
07:12 <@perlmonkey2> Oklahoma
07:12 <+perlDreamer> but you're moving?
07:13 <@perlmonkey2> to another place in Oklahoma
07:13 <@perlmonkey2> to be in the same city as my wife's university
07:13 <+perlDreamer> short commute, good idea
07:15 <+perlDreamer> Is the form in better shape?
07:18 <@perlmonkey2> well the tests all passed
07:18 <@perlmonkey2> sorry, was in fullscreen terminal mode and didn't see you
07:18 <+perlDreamer> that's a good start, but the tests are very rudimentary
07:19 <+perlDreamer> perlmonkey2, now that you're an experienced WebGUI hacker, what do you hate most about the code?
07:20 <@perlmonkey2> So the question is.  update them now or upudate them after we get a stable release out.  And can we get a stable release out without updating them?
07:20 <@perlmonkey2> what do I hate most about the code?  It's obvious age.  Things are done several different ways throughout
07:20 <@preaction> perlmonkey2, update them now, more tests are better
07:21 <@perlmonkey2> seems weird that they don't already just create a new instance with a default, then check the default, form param, and value param.
07:21 <@perlmonkey2> but that shouldn't take long to do for each.
07:22 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: you had mentioned some new testing class that should be used?
07:22 <+perlDreamer> Test::Class
07:22 <+perlDreamer> it's jUnit style testing
07:22 <@preaction> it will help our test coverage a lot faster
07:22 <@perlmonkey2> okay
07:22 <+perlDreamer> it's like class inheritance for tests
07:23 <+perlDreamer> you write a test for Form::Control
07:23 <+perlDreamer> then, write tests for Form::Text that inherit from Form::Control
07:23 <+perlDreamer> hm
07:23 <@perlmonkey2> ahah
07:23 <+perlDreamer> where do I have an example of that...
07:23 <@perlmonkey2> I like where that is going
07:23 <@preaction> your experimental branch colin?
07:23 <+perlDreamer> yes
07:23 <+perlDreamer> but we have to be careful
07:24 <+perlDreamer> since I don't know if that ImageMagick bug still exists
07:24 <@perlmonkey2> its like, inheritance and stuff :P
07:24 <+perlDreamer> but it's good for an example
07:24 <@preaction> i thought that only happened on Fedora
07:24 <+perlDreamer> no
07:24 <+perlDreamer> apeiron got it to happen on BSD, too, iirc
07:24 <@preaction> nice
07:24 <@apeiron> What did I do now?
07:25 <+perlDreamer> you're just awesome
07:25 <+perlDreamer> apeiron, I got my nick fixed today.
07:25 <+perlDreamer> so I am now authentically perlDreamer
07:25 <@apeiron> And you're +v'd appropriately!
07:25 <@apeiron> The system works!
07:25 <+perlDreamer> yes
07:25 <@apeiron> (FSVO 'works')
07:26 <+perlDreamer> perlmonkey2: install Test::Class, either by yum or by cpan
07:26 <+perlDreamer> then check out https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/browse/branch/colin-experimental/
07:26 <+perlDreamer> like, svn co https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/browse/branch/colin-experimental/
07:26 <+perlDreamer> someplace safe, off to the side
07:30 <+perlDreamer> here's an excellent testing tutorial from OSCON
07:30 <+perlDreamer> http://assets.en.oreilly.com/1/event/12/Practical%20Test-driven%20Development%20Presentation.pdf
07:32 <@perlmonkey2> svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/svnweb/plainblack/browse/branch/colin-experimental'
07:32 <@perlmonkey2> strange, I can browse to it
07:34 <+perlDreamer> whoops
07:34 <+perlDreamer> wrong url
07:34 <+perlDreamer> https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/branch/colin-experimental
07:34 <@perlmonkey2> hah, svnweb doh
07:34 <+perlDreamer> my bad
07:34 <@perlmonkey2> must be getting late
07:34 <@perlmonkey2> I should have seen that
07:37 <+perlDreamer> I converted one test over to Test::Class, t/Storage.t, and t/lib/WebGUI/Storage/Test.pm
07:37 <+perlDreamer> in retrospect, I should have done it the way that it is done in the tutorial that I mentioned above.
07:37 <@perlmonkey2> reading through ti now
07:37 <@perlmonkey2> but I'll look at t/Storage.t and the other
07:38 <@perlmonkey2> It's huge....844 lines of testing goodiness
07:39 <@perlmonkey2> isn't the normal .t test about 50 lines?
07:39 <@perlmonkey2> wow, I'm impressed
07:39 <+perlDreamer> I like testing :)
07:39 <+perlDreamer> You should see User.t, Group.t
07:39 <+perlDreamer> and all of Session.t and Session/*.t
07:41 <@perlmonkey2> you says User.t and Group.t are done also?
07:41 <+perlDreamer> done = ~ 100% test coverage of the code
07:41 <+perlDreamer> but they probably wont' be converted to Test::Class
07:41 <+perlDreamer> since there are no subclasses
07:41 <+perlDreamer> Asset would like Test::Class
07:41 <+perlDreamer> Form
07:41 <+perlDreamer> Macro (maybe)
07:42 <+perlDreamer> Storage (when ImageMagick isn't broken)
07:42 <+perlDreamer> Workflow/Activity
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07:42 <+perlDreamer> maybe a few others
07:42 < Tyler_> hey
07:42 <+perlDreamer> hey, Tyler_
07:43 < Tyler_> Well I have got to say WebGUI definatly beats my other CMS in just about every way
07:43 <+perlDreamer> cool!
07:43 < Tyler_> yeah
07:43 <+perlDreamer> We like you already :)
07:44 < Tyler_> well lets hope this doesn't change anything, but the opening install looks kind of odd
07:44 < Tyler_> the blueish background is odd
07:44 < Tyler_> But I guess the installer doesn't matter once you got the site up
07:44 < Tyler_> :)
07:44 <+perlDreamer> blue?
07:44 <+perlDreamer> I always thought it was orange
07:44 <@preaction> the site starter wizard
07:45 <+perlDreamer> oh, that.
07:45 < Tyler_> yeah from the demo
07:45 < Tyler_> Yeah that
07:45 < Tyler_> I havn't gotten time to acctually get it setup yet for my self
07:45 < Tyler_> but that will come later.
07:46 <+perlDreamer> believe it or not, I have never used the site starter wizard
07:46 < Tyler_> isn't that what you have to use
07:46 <+perlDreamer> No
07:46 < Tyler_> hmmm
07:46 <@preaction> you can click "No, Thanks"
07:46 <@preaction> but that's three screens into it
07:47 < Tyler_> So what the difference
07:47 < Tyler_> Yo just make what you want later
07:47 <+perlDreamer> You can take the default site, delete all the default stuff, build in a new style and then add stuff bit by bit
07:47 < Tyler_> I like it
07:47 < Tyler_> weird I didn't see that
07:47 <@preaction> the third screen should be the one that you choose if you want to run the wizard
07:47 <@preaction> the first screen is setting up Admin, the second is inputting company name and such
07:48 < Tyler_> I probably missed it
07:48 < Tyler_> I just wanted to try it out
07:48 <@preaction> god... i've done those three screens way too much
07:48 <+perlDreamer> Selenium
07:48 < Tyler_> yeah. well good thing i found it anyways
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07:50 <+perlDreamer> wow
07:50 <+perlDreamer> I hope he sticks with it.
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16:15 < SDuensin> Greetings.
16:15 <+MrHairgrease> Greasings!
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16:20 < elnino> anyone here use debian?  where the heck is apache?
16:20 <+MrHairgrease> /etc/apache2
16:21 <+MrHairgrease> /etc/init.d/apache start|stop|restart|etc.
16:21 <+MrHairgrease> /etc/init.d/apache2 start|stop|restart|etc.
16:21 <+MrHairgrease> the former has a typo
16:21 <+MrHairgrease> the latter is correct
16:22 <+MrHairgrease> /etc/apache2 contains all the conf
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16:27 < elnino>  I'm not seeing that.. that's where I thought it would be.. This is a VPS server, does that make a difference? and WRE?
16:27 <+MrHairgrease> which apache do you mean
16:27 <+MrHairgrease> debian's or the wre's?
16:28 < elnino> ok. Therei's seems to be a difference. =)
16:28 < elnino> I guess WREs
16:28 <+MrHairgrease> aha
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16:28 < elnino> because the system apache wouldn't be included.. =)
16:28 <+MrHairgrease> that one is somewhere in /data/wre
16:29 <+MrHairgrease> to start stop use /data/wre/sbin/wreservice.pl
16:29 <+MrHairgrease> ie. sudo data/wre/sbin/wreservice.pl --start modperl
16:29 <+MrHairgrease> to start the mod_perl apache
16:29 <+MrHairgrease> try --help to check out all the available options
16:30 < elnino> ok... I see a modproxy conf file.. I need to change the host from www to test. is that the file I do it in?
16:30 <+MrHairgrease> oh
16:30 <+MrHairgrease> i see
16:30 <+MrHairgrease> you do that in the modprox conf for the site you want to change
16:31 < elnino> I don't see www I only see the actual domainsite name, so it looks likeit's capturing all hostnames.
16:31 <+MrHairgrease> which is called /data/wre/etcYOUDOMAIN.modproxy
16:31 < elnino> yep.
16:31 <+MrHairgrease> inside the file you setup the hostnames for that site
16:32 < elnino> in <virtualhost> right
16:32 < elnino> ?
16:32 <+MrHairgrease> yes
16:32 <+MrHairgrease> use the ServerALias directive
16:32 < elnino> it's currently only setup for the doamin, so it looks like ti's capturing all requests for all host names.
16:32 < elnino> and serveralias is "com" - is that a default setting they missed?
16:32 <+MrHairgrease> only com?
16:33 < elnino> yep. "com"
16:33 < elnino> they have several issues here.. =)
16:33 <+MrHairgrease> it should be a domainname
16:33 <+MrHairgrease> so if you have a site xyz.com
16:33 <+MrHairgrease> which should also listen to xyz.org and www.xyz.com
16:33 < elnino> ok. I now have servername host.domain.com
16:33 <+MrHairgrease> you'd do something likes this
16:34 < elnino> and serveralias as domain.com
16:34 <+MrHairgrease> yeah
16:34 <+MrHairgrease> that'd work
16:34 < elnino> ok.. Thank!
16:34 <+MrHairgrease> also be sure to include the www.domain.com hostnames
16:34 <+MrHairgrease> you prolly want to that
16:34 < elnino> in the hosts file?
16:35 <+MrHairgrease> also make sure that the sitename directive ine /data/WebGUI/etc/domain.conf is set correctly
16:35 <+MrHairgrease> no
16:35 <+MrHairgrease> in the modproxyconf
16:35 <+MrHairgrease> otherwise apache won't listen to www.
16:36 < BartJo1> with shared sites, it might be wise to include it too in the /etc/hosts file
16:36 < elnino> hmm. don't see a SiteName directive in the modproxyconf file.
16:36 <+MrHairgrease> well it should have one =)
16:36 < elnino> It's a VPS server, so it *shouldn't* be shared.
16:36 < BartJo1> ServerName?
16:36 < elnino> yep, I have a ServerName directive, it's host.domain.com now.
16:37 <+MrHairgrease> ok
16:37 <@Haarg> i'd recommend sticking it in the hosts file anyway
16:37 <+MrHairgrease> that's in DOMAIN.modproxy right?
16:37 < elnino> yep
16:37 <+MrHairgrease> not modproxy.conf
16:37 <+MrHairgrease> ok
16:37 <+MrHairgrease> that's good
16:37 < elnino> =)
16:37 < elnino> and then there is a proxy thing going... is that normal?  :8081
16:37 <+MrHairgrease> yep
16:38 < elnino> ok. so to restart.. let me read back...
16:38 <+MrHairgrease> b/c webgui (the mod_perl apache) is actually running on 8081
16:38 < BartJo1> perl wreservice.pl --restart modproxy
16:38 <+MrHairgrease> only root can do that
16:38 < elnino> yep. I'm root.
16:38 <+MrHairgrease> ok
16:39 <+MrHairgrease> what time doe preaction usually get up?
16:40 < elnino> ok... I got a httpd: Could not determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 0.0.231.137 for ServerName
16:41 < elnino> my ServerName is test.domain.com with apporpoirate host and domian names.. )
16:41 < elnino> and that ip address isn'teven close it should be 67.223.227.84
16:42 <@perlmonkey2> MrHairgrease: seems like in an hour or so.
16:42 < elnino> do have I have restart somethhing in the /etc/host file?  Sorry about this folks. I know this isn't EXACTLY webgui related. I really appreciate this.
16:42 <+MrHairgrease> ok
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16:50 <+MrHairgrease> elnino: that message is not a problem perse
16:51 <+MrHairgrease> you can check if moproxy is running by doing ps auxf | grep http
16:51 < elnino> it later says Failed. =)
16:51 <+MrHairgrease> ok
16:51 <+MrHairgrease> that is aproblem
16:52 < elnino> however when I did do the ps. I see a bunch of /data/wre/prereqs/bin/httpd -f /data/wre/etc/modproxy.conf -D WRE-modproxy -E /data/wre/var/logs/modproxy.error.log -k start
16:52 < elnino> so it appears that it's running? 6 times?
16:53 <+MrHairgrease> that are preforked children
16:53 <+MrHairgrease> you could try a --stop modproxy
16:53 <+MrHairgrease> and then a --start modproxy
16:53 <@Haarg> also, it checks for it to be running using the hostname listed in wre.conf
16:53 <@Haarg> so you might need to update that
16:54 <@Haarg> it wouldn't effect the actual running of the server, just the startup script and monitor
16:55 < elnino> in wre.conf, there is an apache "defaulthostname" it's set to localhost.
16:55 < elnino> under "demo" the hostname is "demo"
16:56 <@Haarg> localhost should work
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16:58 < elnino_laptop> sorry about that. I really need to get off of wireless. I was disconnected. 
16:58 <+MrHairgrease> ok
16:59 <+MrHairgrease> but does it work now
16:59 < elnino_laptop> for a while.
16:59 <+MrHairgrease> nevermind the FQDN warning
17:00 < elnino_laptop> oh, the site? no, it doesn't start, when using --stop and --start, I then get a mod_proxy: failed.
17:01 < BartJo1> but if you go there in your browser?
17:01 < BartJo1> my modproxy fails continuously and I can browse to the site
17:01 < elnino_laptop> 502 Bad Gateway
17:01 < elnino_laptop> The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server.
17:01 < BartJo1> not the ideal situation... I know
17:02 <+MrHairgrease> ah that means that the modperl apache does not run
17:02 <+MrHairgrease> try to do this
17:02 <+MrHairgrease> /data/wre/sbin/wreservice --stop all
17:02 <+MrHairgrease> /data/wre/sbin/wreservice --start all
17:03 <+MrHairgrease> that will restart modproxy, modperl, mysql and spectre
17:04 < elnino_laptop> nice. Mysql failed.
17:04 < elnino_laptop> when trying to stop it. I'll start all
17:04 <+MrHairgrease> failed shutting down? or starting
17:04 <+MrHairgrease> if it faiuled stopping it prolly wasn't running at all
17:04 < elnino_laptop> while shutting down!  when I tried the start all, I got:  /data/wre/prereqs/share/mysql/mysql.server: line 159: kill: (25930) - No such process
17:05 < elnino_laptop> ok I did stop all and start all again. let me do it again, =)
17:05 < elnino_laptop> I'm getting different responses.
17:06 < elnino_laptop> I have to step a way, a few secs.
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17:11 < elnino_laptop> ok. clean stop.
17:12 <+MrHairgrease> good
17:12 < elnino_laptop> not so clean start:
17:13 < elnino_laptop> mysql:  /data/wre/prereqs/share/mysql/mysql.server: line 159: kill: (26206) - No such process
17:13 < elnino_laptop> mod perl and mod proxy failed
17:13 <+MrHairgrease> hmm
17:14 <+MrHairgrease> what do the /data/wre/var/log/modproxy.error.log an dmodperl.error.log logs say?
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17:15 < elnino_home> sorry.. must be cloudy today.
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17:15 < elnino_home> of course the test feailed: test:/data/wre/sbin# ADMIN: [Error] Couldn't connect to WebGUI site mediaangels.com.conf at http://mediaangels.com:80/?op=spectreGetSiteData.  Response: 500 Server Error
17:15 <+MrHairgrease> that is a spectre error
17:15 <+MrHairgrease> first you must solve the other problems
17:16 <+MrHairgrease> so what does ps auxf | grep httpd
17:16 <+MrHairgrease> say?
17:16 <+MrHairgrease> it should include two master apaches 
17:16 <+MrHairgrease> one for modperl
17:16 <+MrHairgrease> the other for modproxy
17:17 < elnino_home> got about 15: /data/wre/prereqs/bin/httpd -f /data/wre/etc/modperl.conf -D WRE-modperl -E /data/wre/var/logs/modperl.error.log -k start
17:17 < elnino_home> oh. yes, about 7 of each modperl and modproxy
17:17 <+MrHairgrease> ok
17:17 <+MrHairgrease> thats good
17:17 < elnino_home>  /data/wre/prereqs/bin/httpd -f /data/wre/etc/modproxy.conf -D WRE-modproxy -E /data/wre/var/logs/modproxy.error.log -k start
17:18 < elnino_home> I don't see "apache" tho.
17:18 <+MrHairgrease> httpd == apache
17:18 <+MrHairgrease> so for now it seems like the apaches are strating ok
17:19 < elnino_home> nope. just seven modproxy and seven modperls
17:19 < elnino_home> no master apache lines.
17:20 <+MrHairgrease> what I meant with that is that if you start apache you'll start only one process
17:20 <+MrHairgrease> that process will prespwan a number of child apaches
17:20 <+MrHairgrease> so if you see seven lines for each that is ok
17:20 < elnino_home> going to the site, I'm gett a 500 internal error. so that's better.
17:20 <+MrHairgrease> oine master 6 children
17:20 <+MrHairgrease> it is
17:20 <+MrHairgrease> now check if mysql is running
17:20 <+MrHairgrease> do ps auxf | grep mysql
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17:21 < elnino_home> one:  /bin/sh /data/wre/prereqs/bin/mysqld_safe --datadir=/data/wre/var/mysqldata --pid-file=/data/wre/var/mysqldata/59273.pid --user=webgui
17:21 < elnino_home> four: /data/wre/prereqs/libexec/mysqld --basedir=/data/wre/prereqs --datadir=/data/wre/var/mysqldata --user=webgui --pid-file=/data/wre/var/mysqldata/59273.pid --skip-external-locking --port=3306
17:21 <+MrHairgrease> you should get two
17:21 <+MrHairgrease> ah
17:21 <+MrHairgrease> ok
17:22 <+MrHairgrease> that's also possible
17:22 <+MrHairgrease> anyway
17:22 <+MrHairgrease> try to do this
17:22 <+MrHairgrease> tail -f /data/wre/var/log/*
17:23 <+MrHairgrease> and then do a request to one of your sites
17:25 < elnino_home> ok. I think I know what might be going on.. I probably should have told you this. and I thate it when customers don't tell you "everything"
17:25 < elnino_home> this *was working*
17:25 < elnino_home> it worked when it was www.domanname.com
17:25 < elnino_home> I added a hostname at the domain registrary
17:25 < elnino_home> hostname bing: "test"
17:26 < elnino_home> and now I want the webgui to be test.domainname.com
17:26 < elnino_home> The sqldb is at domain.com
17:26 < elnino_home> so it's not finding it anymore: per what I just saw in the logs:
17:26 < elnino_home>  main::[[undef]] - Couldn't connect to database: DBI:mysql:mediaangels_com;host=localhost;port=3306
17:27 < elnino_home> there is another host name provided to me by the VPS hosting company.  I probalby should use that?
17:27 <+MrHairgrease> that's strange since b/c you use the wremysql that is running on localhost
17:27 <+MrHairgrease> chaning a domainname in apache shouln't make a difference
17:27 < elnino_home> maybe that's an old error then.. let me look again.  
17:28 < elnino_home> domain is the same, I'm changeing the hostname.
17:28 <+MrHairgrease> if you tail the logs while you do a request you'll see which erreors are generated
17:28 < elnino_home> the www.domainname.com is hosted somewhere else - differnet ip, differnt hosting company, different server.
17:28 <+MrHairgrease> uhm
17:29 <+MrHairgrease> it was running on another wre?
17:29 <+MrHairgrease> on another box?
17:30 < elnino_home> nope. mambo
17:30 < elnino_home> they want to move to this one. but it was kinda messed up. introducing me to the resuce. more like you guys.
17:30 <+MrHairgrease> ok, I don't really get it?
17:31 < elnino_home> ok.
17:31 <+MrHairgrease> how did you create the site you are trying to get running?
17:31 <+MrHairgrease> and when?
17:31 < elnino_home> I didn't. someone else did.
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17:31 < elnino_home> I'll start from the begining.
17:31 < elnino_home> they have site at www.domainname.com, running mambo.
17:32 < elnino_home> works great, but hate it.
17:33 < elnino_home> took it down, purchased vps server,instealed webgui site on www.domainname.com (they had to change the ip address at the domain registrar)
17:33 < elnino_home> so now mambo site is down. only accessible via IP address.
17:33 < elnino_home> they coudlnt' figure out how to implement the design, and when they took down mambo, they disabled their online store - lost revenue.
17:34 < elnino_home> so the redirected www.domainname.com back to mambo.
17:34 < elnino_home> and webgui hasn't been accessible sinc, not even by ip address.
17:34 < elnino_home> So I came up with the "brilliant" iea of creating a test hostname,
17:34 < elnino_home> created it at the domain registrary to point to the webgui site.
17:34 < elnino_home> and here I sit.
17:34 <+MrHairgrease> aha
17:35 < elnino_home> =) I hope you saw some light?
17:35  * MrHairgrease hear a nickel dropping
17:35 <+MrHairgrease> ok
17:35 <+MrHairgrease> first check if the db actually exists
17:35 < elnino_home> it did. =)
17:35 <+MrHairgrease> first set you environment
17:36 <+MrHairgrease> . /data/wre/sbin/setenvironment.sh
17:36 <+MrHairgrease> the dot at the beginning is important
17:36 < elnino_home> done. clean
17:36 <+MrHairgrease> then do mysql -uroot -p
17:36 <+MrHairgrease> that should connect you to the database
17:37 < elnino_home> I don't know the password... 
17:37 <+MrHairgrease> hehe
17:37 <+MrHairgrease> in that case
17:37 <+MrHairgrease> try to connect as the webgui site
17:37 < elnino_home> I'm guessing it's the default. or even the one you suggest on your help page.
17:38 <+MrHairgrease> the login of the site you can find in the /data/WebGUI/etc/domain.conf file
17:38 <@perlmonkey2> Anyone who's got a sec, I'd like some advice.  I've updated nearly ever package in Form/  All the tests pass, but pd and preaction had mentioned the tests should all be updated and expanded.  Does it make more sense to skip updating the tests until I've made JT's goal of getting rid of all bugs for a release, or spend a day or three updating all those tests (and adding just as many more)?
17:39 <+MrHairgrease> look for dbPass and dbUser
17:39 <+MrHairgrease> if you have those do mysql -uDBUSER -p
17:39 <+MrHairgrease> use the dbPass as the password
17:39 < elnino_home> looks encripted. 
17:39 <@Haarg> as long as you add tests for the checklist behavior, i would prefer to get it in and working
17:39 <+MrHairgrease> pm2: I'd ask JT]
17:40 <+MrHairgrease> it's not encrypted. It's random
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17:40 <+MrHairgrease> =)
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17:40 < elnino_home> should I change the site name while I'm there?
17:40 <+MrHairgrease> yeah
17:41 < elnino_home> ok. tried several times, using copy paste: 
17:41 < elnino_home> ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/data/wre/var/mysqldata/mysql.sock' (2)
17:42 <+MrHairgrease> that's your problem
17:42 <+MrHairgrease> stop the mysql server
17:42 <+MrHairgrease> and then check if it really stopped with ps auxf | grep mys
17:44 < elnino_home> no.
17:44 < elnino_home> it's still looking for the old isn't it.
17:44 <+MrHairgrease> can you paste the output of the ps command to webgui.pastebin.com
17:46 < elnino_home> k. it's there.
17:46 < elnino_home> thank you for all your undivided help here.
17:46 <+MrHairgrease> oh wellit's Friday =)
17:47 <+MrHairgrease> try killing the mysql process manually
17:48 <+MrHairgrease> kill 4344 4374 4375 4376 4377
17:48 < elnino_home> done. clean
17:48 < elnino_home> start?
17:48 <+MrHairgrease> first check with ps
17:48 < elnino_home> clean with ps.
17:48 <+MrHairgrease> ok
17:48 < elnino_home> I can think of better things to do on a friday.
17:48 <+MrHairgrease> now start
17:48 <+MrHairgrease> yeah drinking beer
17:48 < elnino_home> OK!
17:48 <+MrHairgrease> but it's almost 5 pm over here
17:49 < elnino_home> going to site
17:49 < elnino_home> checking...
17:49 < elnino_home> woo hoo! It's ugly!
17:49 < elnino_home> but it's up!
17:49 <+MrHairgrease> ok
17:49 <+MrHairgrease> your problem was that mysql crashed in some weird way
17:50 <+MrHairgrease> and the stop script couldn't stop it correctly
17:50 < elnino_home> oh. not the hostname?
17:50 <+MrHairgrease> no
17:50 <+MrHairgrease> since the db is on the same box it connects through a socket
17:50 < elnino_home> that's good. =)
17:50 < elnino_home> localhost. I saw that.. I see.
17:50 <+MrHairgrease> yeah
17:51 <+MrHairgrease> localhost is always 
17:51 <+MrHairgrease> well
17:51 <+MrHairgrease> local host =)
17:52 < elnino_home> well, I hopefully can take it from here. That was enough fun for the day. Off to implement a design!
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17:52 < elnino_home> Thank you again for your invaluable help! I owe you at the conference
17:53 < elnino_home> a beer. but you're in netherlands?
17:53 <+MrHairgrease> yes
17:53 <+MrHairgrease> we have beer in the netherlands too =)
17:53 <+MrHairgrease> you're coming to the wuc btw?
17:56 < elnino_home> I am! I'm so excited!
17:56 <+MrHairgrease> you should be
17:56 <+MrHairgrease> there are 12 dutch people coming overm =)
17:57 < elnino_home> actually I owe alot ofyou folks a beer.
17:57 <+MrHairgrease> hehe
17:57 <+MrHairgrease> that could be arranged =)
17:57 < elnino_home> I don't know if I owe THEM a beer, I was talking more about the people here on chat
17:58 <+MrHairgrease> speaking of beer, perlmonkey2, does your beer for a bug also count for bugs that were never on the bug list but rather fixed directly?
17:58 <@perlmonkey2> MrHairgrease: I'm on the hook for the list, and only the list :D
17:58 < elnino_home> and what about finding bugs? does that count?
17:58 <@perlmonkey2> but if it *would* have been put on the list, I don't see why that doesn't count.
17:59 <@perlmonkey2> elnino_home: no, finding a bug and putting it on the list unfixed means you owe me a beer.
17:59 <@perlmonkey2> :P
17:59 <@perlmonkey2> elnino_home: just kidding, please put all bugs on the list you can find.
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18:00 < elnino_home> perlmonkey2: you can count on it.
18:02 <+MrHairgrease> preaction: i fixed this bug this morning: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/gallery-navigation-back-to-album-returns-to-page-1#IczSJ_TqDhr3Fcr2lsl40Q
18:02 <+MrHairgrease> could you please check if it is ok
18:02 <+MrHairgrease> diff is here:
18:02 <+MrHairgrease> http://webgui.pastebin.com/m3e601c04
18:03 <+MrHairgrease> with that I mean, it could possibly impact performance for large albums
18:03 <+MrHairgrease> but it is the only way i could think of
18:03 <+MrHairgrease> apart from passing pn's around like crazy
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18:12 <@perlmonkey2> preaction: FYI, I got lightning working with thunderbird and its looking pretty sweet.
18:12 <+MrHairgrease> lightning?
18:12 <+MrHairgrease> what's that?
18:12 <@perlmonkey2> Sunbird plugin
18:12 <@perlmonkey2> calendaring
18:12 <+MrHairgrease> oh
18:12 <+MrHairgrease> ok
18:12 <@perlmonkey2> caldav, etc
18:13 <@perlmonkey2> shared network calendars and stuff
18:13 <+MrHairgrease> can it do exchange?
18:13 <@perlmonkey2> j/s I'll see
18:14 <@perlmonkey2> supports iCalendar, caldav and WCAP, so unless exchange supports one of those , I guess not.
18:14 <@perlmonkey2> but surely exchange supports caldav?
18:14 <+MrHairgrease> no surprise there =)
18:14 < CIA-6> WebGUI: martin * r7200 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 
18:14 < CIA-6> WebGUI: Fixed bug in Navigation where the indent was based on relDepth rather that on the tree depth. Also fixes issues
18:14 < CIA-6> WebGUI: concerning the <ul> template.
18:14 < CIA-6> WebGUI: yung * r7201 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed: Thingy: Setting the size of a field has no effect
18:14 <+MrHairgrease> I don't need exchange support
18:14 < CIA-6> WebGUI: translation * r7202 /translations/Swedish/ (161 files in 2 dirs): Update from translation server
18:14 < CIA-6> WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7203 /WebGUI/ (42 files in 3 dirs): Form/* now all use getOriginalValue and getDefaultValue. This resolves the Layout bug where all the check lists could not be unchecked. Tests were updated, but still need a major overhaul.
18:15 <+MrHairgrease> but the lack of it is what people tend to complain about
18:15 <+MrHairgrease> while thunderbird is the most bestestest mail client out there 
18:17 <@perlmonkey2> only 73MB used, with 5 email accounts, about 50 RSS feeds, and all my calendaring stuff.
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18:26 <+MrHairgrease> preaction: you there?
18:26 < BartJo1> well see you guys at the wuc
18:26 <@preaction> yes'm
18:27 < perlDreamer> dionak: are you around?
18:27 <+MrHairgrease> do you think that the getFileIds
18:27 <+MrHairgrease> is a problem?
18:27 <+MrHairgrease> in the diff I just posted?
18:27 <@preaction> MrHairgrease, we're going to have a problem with that if the Gallery ever supports user-selected perpage
18:27 <@preaction> but no, getFileIds shouldn't be a problem
18:27 < dionak> perlDreamer, i'm just on my way out for a bit. Will you be online later today?
18:27 < perlDreamer> yes
18:27 < perlDreamer> catch you later :)
18:28 < dionak> k, catch you later
18:28 <+MrHairgrease> what is the user-selected perpage
18:28 <+MrHairgrease> and is it implemented yet?
18:28 < BartJo1> that's the user list pagination
18:28 <@preaction> no, we can worry about it later, if ever
18:28 <+MrHairgrease> oh
18:28 <+MrHairgrease> ok
18:29 <+MrHairgrease> i'll commit the fix then
18:29 <@preaction> the original spec called for a little drop-down box that allowed the user to select how many files to show per-page, but i'm starting to hate those things as unnecessarily complicated and cluttered
18:29 <+MrHairgrease> hmm
18:29 <+MrHairgrease> well
18:29 <+MrHairgrease> it'll be easy enough to take that into account when (if ever) it's implemented
18:30 < BartJo1> MrHairgrease, stop nerding and come drink beer with me
18:30 <+MrHairgrease> but now I'm off to brush up my beer drinking skills with Bart
18:30 < BartJo1> very good
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18:30 <+MrHairgrease> hang on bart
18:31 <+MrHairgrease> later!
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18:40 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: you said you saw old syndicated posts last night on pb.com?
18:40 < perlDreamer> yup
18:40 < perlDreamer> I'm guessing it's a caching problem
18:40 < perlDreamer> but that's only a guess
18:41 < perlDreamer> "This is a guess from the Emergency Broadcast System.  This is only a guess"
18:41 <@perlmonkey2> No idea how to even start debugging that one.
18:41 <@perlmonkey2> because at the same time you were getting the strange old cache, I was only getting the current stuff.
18:42 <@perlmonkey2> And how could cache survive for days and days?
18:42 < perlDreamer> that's the question
18:42 <@perlmonkey2> and why would it show up for your guest and not my guest?
18:42 <@perlmonkey2> I used a seperate browser
18:43 <@perlmonkey2> I'm guessing you were using your normal browser ?
18:44 < perlDreamer> yes
18:45 < perlDreamer> The top post was from either May or June
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19:42 < dionak> hey perlDreamer
19:43 < perlDreamer> you're back!
19:43 < perlDreamer> very good
19:43 < dionak> what's up?
19:43 < perlDreamer> I wanted to ask you about the syndicated content test
19:43 < dionak> ok.
19:43 < perlDreamer> I seem to remember that you made a commit that said the test was fixed now?
19:44 < perlDreamer> I should go read the commit logs
19:44 < dionak> i would have to look back at it. i made a commit this week that fixes a bug we were seeing regarding utf-8 decoding
19:45 < perlDreamer> okay.  So the original bug that the test was written for is not fixed.
19:45 < dionak> no, i don't believe so
19:46 < dionak> the last time i ran that test, the interleaved content sub was failing
19:47 < dionak> we have other sample rss feeds copied locally if they would be helpful
19:49 < perlDreamer> No, that's okay.  I should be able to tinker with it here.
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20:02 < perlDreamer> dionak, I think I know why that test may be failing
20:02 < perlDreamer> _create_interleaved_items doesn't return anything reliably
20:02 < perlDreamer> the data is passed in by reference, and returned by reference as the first argument
20:03 < perlDreamer> it should have an explicit return 0 or return undef in there
20:08 <@perlmonkey2> anyone know of a .net publically available web service test server?
20:09 <@perlmonkey2> I'm also wondering if adding .net support to the WSClient isn't an RFE?
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20:11 < perlDreamer> It's definitely an RFE.
20:12 <@preaction> uh... is the Choose Billing Address thing in the Shop during Checkout supposed to fill in the form for me?
20:14 <@preaction> nm, it's working. it just doesn't also update the first and last names
20:15 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: you rule.  I'll owe you a beer for that one.
20:15 <@perlmonkey2> now how to politely close that ticket while saying it should be an RFE.
20:16 < perlDreamer> You say, This aborted attempt at perl code is designed for SOAP interfaces.  Adding additional interfaces would be an RFE.
20:16 < perlDreamer> then you copy and paste the post into the RFE board
20:18 <@preaction> designed for SOAP interfaces that conform to the SOAP spec (if there is one)
20:19 <@preaction> the issue is that .net does "soap" but in a non-standard way, no?
20:19 <@perlmonkey2> I'm unsure.  But it does appear to take special code to support .Net.
20:19 <@perlmonkey2> even in the POD for the SOAP module it has a 'special section' for .Net
20:19 <@perlmonkey2> looks like a big PITA
20:20 < perlDreamer> does his patch work?
20:21 <@perlmonkey2> don't know.  His comments say it doesn't work completely
20:21 <@perlmonkey2> I was looking through to see what still needed to be done and realized something was fishy with the .Net spec.
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20:28 < perlDreamer> if it doesn't work completely, then it's an RFE
20:29 < perlDreamer> He seems motivated, suggest that if a complete solution (with a test) is presented, that it would get in faster.
20:30 <@perlmonkey2> I'm not sure there is a problem beyond it returning a hash
20:31 <@perlmonkey2>  WebGUI::Content::Asset::tryAssetMethod[207] - Couldn't call method editSave on asset for url: getting_started/ws-client Root cause: Can't use string ("In the Name of Allah, the Most B") as a HASH ref while "strict refs" in use at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/WSClient.pm line 437.
20:31 <@perlmonkey2> or not returning a hash
20:32 <@perlmonkey2> I don't really have a clue though, I've barely ever played with SOAP:: 
20:45 < perlDreamer> dionak, I have a fix for the syndicated content bug, but I don't understand what's going on.
20:45 < perlDreamer> you have a few minutes to bounce ideas?
20:49 <@perlmonkey2> preaction: Have you looked anymore at the gallery image wrapping bug?  I'm about to try to repeat it and see if it is still there.
20:50 <@preaction> perlmonkey2, no i haven't
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20:50 < perlDreamer> nm, now I got it.  It's evil
20:50 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: I'm dieing to know about that one.
20:50 < perlDreamer> okay, start with t/Asset/Wobject/SyndicatedContent.t
20:51 < perlDreamer> line 28, note the my ($items....)
20:51 <@perlmonkey2> k
20:51 < perlDreamer> hop down to _create_interleaved_items($items.....
20:51 <@perlmonkey2> empty
20:52 < perlDreamer> right, and 2 problems
20:52 < perlDreamer> 1) _create_interleaved_items does not return anything
20:52 < perlDreamer> so the test is wrong
20:53 < perlDreamer> _create_interleaved_items wants to return stuff in $items, which is handled as a reference internally
20:53 < perlDreamer> which is the second problem
20:54 < perlDreamer> if $items is not a reference, it won't be passed back
20:54 < perlDreamer> well, not passed back, but work with remotely
20:54 <@preaction> does anyone else have access currently to IE7?
20:55 < perlDreamer> with $items being undef, _create_interleaved_items autovivifies an array in its own scope
20:55 < perlDreamer> that array does not make it out of the subroutine
20:55 < perlDreamer> since $items isn't a reference
20:55 <@perlmonkey2> But this is just the test being broken.  
20:55 < CIA-6> WebGUI: doug * r7205 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed: ITransact error message now shows link to go back
20:55 < perlDreamer> well, the test was written to expose a bug
20:55 <@perlmonkey2> But this is probably where the package breaks also?
20:55 < perlDreamer> but I don't know what the bug was
20:56 < perlDreamer> need knowmad or dionak for that
21:00 < perlDreamer> in any case, barring new bugs or bad tests, tomorrow's nightly test run should be clean
21:04 <@tavisto> can wG run a server side include?
21:04 <@preaction> tavisto, Apache can, and WebGUI can allow Apache to run it
21:04 < perlDreamer> it would have to happen after wG in the chain, right?
21:04 <@preaction> SSI is an apache thing though, WebGUI is not involved except to say "Yeah, that's not mine"
21:04  * perlDreamer goes to the gym
21:05 <@preaction> oh, right... hmm... SSI might not work, why do they think they need it?
21:05 <@tavisto> for an advertisement system that will run on a supported site account
21:05 <@preaction> anything SSI can do, WebGUI can do better
21:06 <@tavisto> someone is paying them to advertise on their site and they want to do the same on a wG site possibly
21:06 <@preaction> but we can't use WebGUI Ad Spaces for some reason?
21:06 <@preaction> or an HTTP Proxy if it comes to that?
21:06 <@tavisto> nah b/c the advertiser must have some sort of data it's feeding them all the time
21:07 <@tavisto> that's how it was explained to me anyway
21:07 <@preaction> er... again, anything SSI can do WebGUI can do. the SSI script would need to be physically on the webgui server
21:07 <@preaction> so they'd already need to be able to have custom code
21:08 <@tavisto> I wasn't sure if that could be setup to operate within a snippet or something so since it's not like that.. I'm going to give them the thumbs down for supported site hosting
21:08 <@tavisto> I'll tell them they can go VPS or run on their own server and it's entirely possible
21:08 <@preaction> er... i still think that there's a better way to do this
21:09 <@preaction> i still think that better way is WebGUI Ad Spaces. all SSI does is run a script and put the output into the page
21:09 <@preaction> we could accomplish the same with a macro, or anything really
21:09 <@preaction> if the SSI script does what i think it does, it's completely superfluous, WebGUI Ad Spaces does randomization, clicks and impressions, and the like
21:10 <@preaction> but w/o more information, i can't say yea or nay
21:10 <@tavisto> yeah I hear ya.. I'll talk more and see if I can dig into what this is.. It doesn't sound complex and it sounds like 4 links at the bottom of a page which are random and are updated from the advertising company based on keywords and etc..
21:11 <@preaction> sounds like google adsense
21:11 <@preaction> i thought webgui ad spaces could handle google adsense
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21:18 < elnino> hi all.  Is there a master CSS snippet I can use to tweak from? - Im hoping that it incorporates the classes and ids that are written in templates... just wondering...
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21:25 < elnino_laptop> sorry, I got disconnected. did I miss anything?
21:26 <@preaction> elnino_laptop, no. but there is no central CSS snippet to edit really
21:27 < elnino_laptop> Then I'll work on one.  I'm looking for something that has the classes that are currently used in the navigation templates specificatll, so I'll at least get that started.
21:27 <@preaction> elnino_laptop, there is an initiative to build a replacement set of WebGUI templates using the web best practices
21:28 <@preaction> i believe they're trying to build a master CSS file for the whole lot
21:28 < elnino_laptop> they being? plainblack? for 7.5?
21:29 <@preaction> not plainblack, let me find it
21:29 <@preaction> it won't make 7.5, no
21:29 <@preaction> but it's a package, so you could use what they have so far now
21:30 <@preaction> rogier from unitedknowledge is doing it
21:30 <@preaction> http://www.webgui.org/webgui/dev/discuss/new-default-webgui-templates
21:32 < elnino_laptop> ok. Thanks!
21:32 <@preaction> looks like rogier's package on page 2 includes new nav templates
21:33 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r7206 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/SyndicatedContent.t: 
21:33 < CIA-6> WebGUI: Fix the failing test, there were two issues.
21:33 < CIA-6> WebGUI: 1) _create_interleaved_items does not return anything useful.
21:33 < CIA-6> WebGUI: 2) $items, the first arg to the sub, has to be an array ref.
21:33 <@preaction> er.. make that page 3
21:40 < elnino_laptop> oh. This is realy recent.
21:41 <@preaction> yeah
21:41 <@preaction> they're still working on it, and i hope they get it done for 7.6
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21:45 < elnino_laptop> 7.5 just got release,  when is 7.6 coming?
21:46 <@preaction> 7.5.0 was released last year, 7.6 branch will be created sometime after 7.5 goes stable
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21:53 < elnino> grr. lost it again. I guess I'm a bit slow to upgrading
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22:12 < CIA-6> WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7207 /WebGUI/docs/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Gallery.css now does not overlap image information with the snapshot.
22:28 < perlDreamer> knowmad, just the perl hacker I was looking for
22:28 < perlDreamer> I fixed the bug with SyndicatedContent.t
22:35 < dionak> oh great!
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22:35 < dionak> what was the bug caused by or should i just look at the svn commit?
22:35 < perlDreamer> well, I think it was a bug in the test, rather than in the code
22:36 < perlDreamer> but I seem to remember y'all wrote the test to expose a bug
22:36 < dionak> ah, ok. 
22:36 < perlDreamer> in the Asset itself
22:36 < perlDreamer> do you remember anything about that
22:36 < dionak> yea, and we added a patch to the asset
22:36 < perlDreamer> but the test kept failing?
22:38 < dionak> i'm looking...
22:39 < dionak> i see the changes to the test. makes sense
22:40 < perlDreamer> cool.  So this sounds like it's wrapped up.
22:40 < dionak> I'm going to try running it against our client's feed to make sure. 
22:42 < dionak> it's passing..
22:42 < dionak> do you know what the hasTerms value is for? 
22:43 < perlDreamer> No
22:43 < perlDreamer> Do you want me to backtrace it?
22:43 < dionak> I started a test for the make_regex method but didn't really grok what that was for at the time.
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22:44 < dionak> no, i was just curious
22:44 < perlDreamer> I'd like to see the tests move from ok (meaning having just any value) to actually testing for something so we know they really work.
22:44 < dionak> Yea, i see your point. 
22:44 < dionak> You have to know what to expect to test like that. But it would be far more useful testing
22:45 < perlDreamer> and that code is not the easiest code to trace
22:45 < perlDreamer> It feels like climnbing through pumpkin guts
22:46 < dionak> lol
22:46 < dionak> nice expression
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22:52 < perlDreamer> the code doesn't even have POD inside it
22:54 < perlDreamer> make_regex takes an asset property called hasTerms, splits it on commas and joins it with | to make it a regex alternation
22:54 < perlDreamer> it's probably a filtering function on the content
22:55 < perlDreamer> but it leaves whitespace after it splits, so the filtering may not work correctly
22:57 <@preaction> okay, someone ... at least validate my anger here:
22:58 < perlDreamer> vent on, dude
22:58 <@preaction> IE7 doesn't let me buy a Product when I'm not in SSL mode, but Firefox 3 and Safari 3 do
22:58 < perlDreamer> buy = add to cart, or buy = checkout?
22:58 <@preaction> when i'm not in SSL mode, THE REQUEST DOES NOT EVEN SEEM TO REACH Product->www_buy
22:58 <@preaction> add to cart
22:58 < perlDreamer> that's nuts
22:58 <@preaction> func=buy;vid=xxxxxxx
22:58 <@preaction> nuts?
22:58 < perlDreamer> rename the method and see if it works
22:59 < perlDreamer> call it nuts instead of buy
22:59 <@preaction> oh god, if it works that way i will kill someone
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22:59 < perlDreamer> You were at my house, writing tests
22:59 < dionak> i think  buy = add to cart
22:59 < perlDreamer> it does
23:00 < juan> i have some users with ldap authentication
23:00 < juan> now i want to change  the authentication to webgui
23:00 <@preaction> WTF? IT WORKED?
23:00 <@preaction> i change www_buy to www_addToCart... and it WORKS?
23:01 < juan> have to use the userimport.pl to update that information?
23:01 < perlDreamer> that's bad
23:01 <@preaction> juan, no, you can use the Admin Console -> Users tab
23:01 <@preaction> there should be a drop-down box for "Authentication Method" or something
23:01 < perlDreamer> yes
23:01 <@preaction> it should say LDAP, change it to WebGUI
23:01 < perlDreamer> when you pick a user to edit
23:01 < perlDreamer> preaction, I wonder how many other "reserved" words there are.
23:02 < perlDreamer> and how fast can you write a blog publicly deriding IE7 about it?
23:02 < juan> i have many users to change it using the admin console
23:02 <@preaction> juan, if you want to do it all at once, then userimport.pl would be your best bet yes
23:02 <@preaction> perlDreamer, how is this even possible? the request makes it to apache, it shows me the confirmation page, but the product is not added to the cart
23:03 < perlDreamer> If you change the method and the browser works differently, then it's the browser.
23:03 <@preaction> ... i... hate... IE
23:03  * perlDreamer goes to lunch and cries
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23:03 <@preaction> FF does it too, vrby can reproduce but i can't
23:03 < juan> ok
23:04 < juan> i am going to try
23:04 < juan> i hate IE too
23:04 <@preaction> hey.... what if the browser is caching ?func=buy;vid=XXX because it's a GET request and not a POST request?
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23:18 < dionak> i've had that happen before, the browser caching a GET
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23:18 <@preaction> it's supposed to, and i think that's our problem
23:18 < dionak> i remember having to add a random string to a param to ensure it never cached
23:19 <@preaction> but these Add to Cart links were generated manually. i think i need to RFE an AddToCart( productId, variantId ); macro
23:20 < dionak> on a side note, it seems like you can't add a variant to the cart more than once..
23:20 < dionak> topsub had mentioned this to me
23:22 <@preaction> i can't reproduce that, i keep adding variants to cart multiple times. imho you shouldn't be able to, it should just update the quantity
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23:25 < dionak> we had a case this week where we needed to add the variant multiple times
23:26 < dionak> it's an interesting case, which we hope to share at the WUC
23:26 <@preaction> how are you adding the variant? is it a form post or just a URL?
23:26 < dionak> a form post
23:27 <@preaction> hum...
23:27 <@preaction> dunno then
23:27 <@preaction> i'm a stranger in Shop
23:27 <@preaction> damn browser caching... who would've thought to look there?
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23:31 <@preaction> why isn't the Splat_random macro enabled by default anymore?
23:31 < elnino> hi... I created a sql report in 7.4.35  and I don't see view or edit permissions, nor is it running. Same query runns in 7.4.40 just fine.  WEIRD
23:31 <@preaction> what does webgui.log say? turn on Debugging in the SQLReport maybe?
23:32 < elnino> I enabled debug and it doesn't error, There should be one record... at least. I'll double check that.. but where did the view/edit perissions go?
23:33 < elnino> ok.. never mind about the view/edit.  I'm admin, I should see EVERYTHING 
23:33 < elnino> AHH usergui level or something...
23:33 <@perlmonkey2> before I go diving into transactions, can anyone think of a reason where a transaction would be OK|success and not have a transactionItem asscociated with it?
23:34 <@preaction> elnino, they're still in there
23:35 <@preaction> the only possibility i can think of is the second iteration of a recurring transaction
23:36 <@preaction> second and subsequent that is
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23:40 <@perlmonkey2> preaction: hah, you're a brilliant man
23:42 <@preaction> i think someone else said it, vrby probably
23:42 < elnino> you all are!
23:42 <@preaction> sit a monkey in front of a computer screen long enough...
23:45 <@perlmonkey2> preaction: hmm, some of the missing tranItems were original posts.
23:45 <@perlmonkey2> oh well, was worth a shot.
23:45 <@preaction> that's not good then
23:46 <@preaction> someone paid money but didn't get an item...
23:46 <@preaction> wait: what would happen if the product did not exist anymore?
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23:47 <@preaction> would it still exist in transactionItem and show up in the Transactions screen?
23:51 <@perlmonkey2> these were all subscriptions I think
23:51 <@perlmonkey2> which I can't test locally :(
23:52 <@perlmonkey2> transaction 550 is a good example. 
23:53 <@preaction> right, i'm saying trace the code to see if the data coming from transactionItem ever looks up the sku ID or something and decides only to show the SKUs that still exist on the server
23:53 <@perlmonkey2> okay
23:53 <@perlmonkey2> good idea
23:54 <@perlmonkey2> oh, but I'm in the DB and that transactionItem's don't even exist
23:54 <@perlmonkey2> for 20 transactions that have a message of OK or success
23:56 <@preaction> i think colin found a bug in the 7.5.11 upgrade script for subscriptions or recurring transactions or something. this might be a manifestation of that bug
23:56 <@preaction> might want to svn log docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.10-7.5.11.pl and see if anything pops out
23:57 <@perlmonkey2> k
23:58 <@perlmonkey2> plainblack is running 7.5.19 which means it stays pretty recent, which means the timing of these strange transactions could fall around 7.5.10
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23:59 < perlDreamer> dionak, you can add a variant to the cart as many time as you want.
23:59 < dionak> ok. thanks for looking into that. 
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00:00 < dionak> i think it's important not to force integrators to rely solely on quantity
00:00 < perlDreamer> preaction, the upgrade bug I found had to do with the EMS, and badge creation
00:00 < perlDreamer> rizen fixed a transaction bug in r6903
00:01 < perlDreamer> preaction, so it's just browser caching?  We have to stop ragging on IE now?
00:02 <@preaction> no, we can continue ragging, but it was browser caching yes
00:02 < perlDreamer> which FF does it, too?
00:02 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: oh, so it wouldn't have effected subscriptions, only EMS stuff?
00:03 <@preaction> FF does it too, yes
00:03 < perlDreamer> perlmonkey2, yes
00:03 < perlDreamer> preaction, FF is my regular browser, and it's never acted that way
00:03 < perlDreamer> is it FF 3?
00:03 <@preaction> yes
00:03 <@preaction> it was a custom-made link
00:03 <@perlmonkey2> I guess I'll just look through the code and see if it is possible to get to OK/success without a transactionItem.
00:04 <@preaction> also, FF didn't reproduce nearly as often as IE did
00:10 <@perlmonkey2> The only way a transaction could not have a transactionItem is if the cart was somehow empty.
00:11 <@preaction> that doesn't sound like it could happen
00:14 <@perlmonkey2> There are no more bad transaction after 6.12
00:17 <@perlmonkey2> in the changelog for 7.5.13 there is this:  - fixed: OLD subscription table still hanging around?   
00:17 <@perlmonkey2> that mean anything to anyone?
00:17 <@perlmonkey2> because if I was a betting man....
00:17 < perlDreamer> there was an old subscription table that should have been cleaned up during the upgrade
00:17 < perlDreamer> I dropped it
00:17 <@perlmonkey2> and there are no more bad transaction after 7.5.13
00:17 < perlDreamer> it wasn't used by the new subscription code
00:18 <@perlmonkey2> so maybe the bad transactions are from the old table?
00:18 <@perlmonkey2> or you just dropped the table then.  didn't move any transactions over?
00:18 < perlDreamer> no, I checked with rizen and they should have been translated
00:22 < perlDreamer> the way it worked was that he moved the old transaction table to the side
00:22 < perlDreamer> then created the new table
00:22 < perlDreamer> translated the contents, and then was supposed to drop the old table
00:24 <@perlmonkey2> The timing is pretty convenient.  And there haven't been any recent bad transactions since 7.5.13.  Mark it as no longer a problem?
00:26 < perlDreamer> what else happened in 7.5.13?
00:27 <@perlmonkey2> There were no more bad transactions after it was released.
00:28 <@perlmonkey2> :)
00:28 < perlDreamer> that's good.  But it would be good to know what did it.
00:28 < perlDreamer> I can't see that dropping an old table that the new code doesn't use would fix that.
00:28 < perlDreamer> so, it's either not in the changelog, or it's hidden somewhere
00:28 < perlDreamer> what's the SVN rev for .13?
00:29 <@perlmonkey2> somewhere around 6740..j/s
00:29 <@preaction> anyone know something about the ITransact paydriver? 
00:30 < perlDreamer> That's MrHairgrease, but I've dinked around in there a little.
00:30 <@preaction> i'm trying to fix a problem with www_pay, where if a billing address hasn't been selected from the Choose Billing Address screen, checkout doesn't work
00:30 <@preaction> but there's a form to fill in address and stuff right there, if i use it, but don't click that Choose Billing Address button, i can't checkout
00:31 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: I'm not sure how to tell what svn version a release is.  I don't see it mentioned in the svn comments.
00:31 <@preaction> my question is how to fix this? why does this bug even exist? or why does that form exist?
00:31 <@preaction> perlmonkey2, look for "7.5.13 Release" in the svn log
00:32 <@perlmonkey2> 6705 is "preparing for 7.5.13 dev"
00:32 <@preaction> look for "preparing for 7.5.14 dev" then maybe?
00:33 < perlDreamer> preaction, I'm guessing there's a bad intersection between new AddressBook and old ITransact code.
00:33 <@perlmonkey2> the day that 7.5.13 was put in was 6.13.  That day there are a ton of submits, and that evening is the last bad transaction.
00:34 <@perlmonkey2> but when is plainblack brought up to dev?
00:34 <@perlmonkey2> maybe the issue was fixed earlier.
00:34 < perlDreamer> usually that night
00:35 <@perlmonkey2> well then that probably means that the issues was fixed in the 7.5.13 dev build
00:35 < perlDreamer> I agree with that
00:35 <@preaction> right but what could've fixed it? we can't just say "oh, it hasn't happened recently so it must not be there"
00:36 < perlDreamer> Is there any pattern to the transactions that are bad?  Are they products, EMS, subscriptions, hosting?
00:36 <@preaction> svn diff -rSTART:END and take a look
00:36 <@perlmonkey2> preaction: heh which is too bad, as now we're debugging code that is many months out of use.
00:37 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: I can't tell as they don't have items :D
00:37 < perlDreamer> look at the amount field
00:37 < perlDreamer> PB only has a few prices
00:38 <@perlmonkey2> Btu only 6 don't have isRecurring as 1
00:38 < perlDreamer> select userId, username, amount, isSuccess, isRecurring from transaction, statusCode, statusMessage;
00:38 <@perlmonkey2> $300, $1000, $50, $15, $20, $75, $100, $900
00:39 < perlDreamer> so no pattern with respect to the item, so it's likely inside Shop itself
00:40 < perlDreamer> was 6/3 also the date when the backup bug hit?
00:40 <@perlmonkey2> hah, one of them has isSuccessful as 0, but the statusMessage is OK|success
00:40 <@perlmonkey2> 6/13
00:40 <@perlmonkey2> is the last bad transaction, not 6/3
00:41 < perlDreamer> oh, okay
00:41 <@perlmonkey2> my condition is no transactionId in transactionItem and (statusMessage in ('OK','success')
00:42 < perlDreamer> perlmonkey2, if you can query PB's db, then you can query the webguiVersion table to find out when it was updated
00:42 <@perlmonkey2> ack, epoch times
00:43 < perlDreamer> preaction, what's your magic date invocation for MySQL?
00:43 <@perlmonkey2> j/s have to look up mysql function
00:43 < perlDreamer> once you figure it out, please put it into the wiki :)
00:45 <@perlmonkey2> oh, that is obvious.  from_unixtime
00:46 <@perlmonkey2> 5.12 and 5.13 were applied on the 6.20
00:47 <@perlmonkey2> 7.5.11 was on 6.12
00:47 <@preaction> so the last bad transaction was before Commerce was made into Shop?
00:48 <@perlmonkey2> I don't know when that happened.
00:48 <@preaction> 7.5.11
00:48 < perlDreamer> If that's the case, it's really good news :)
00:49 < perlDreamer> unless it happens during the upgrade process, and bad records are inserted at that time
00:49 <@perlmonkey2> no, the last bad transaction was on 6-13-2008, almost exactly 24 hours after 7.5.11
00:49 <@perlmonkey2> :(
00:49 <@perlmonkey2> but maybe plainblack was svn update without runnign the update script?
00:50 <@perlmonkey2> the logs say 7.5.13 was being prepared that morning.
00:50 <@preaction> it was, there was very bad juju with 7.5.11, and we completely missed 7.5.112
00:50 <@preaction> er.... .12
00:51 <@perlmonkey2> okay, so then can we say "bad shizzle happened in Commerce, but this bug doesn't pertain to the current codebase."?
00:52 <@preaction> it doesn't seem to, not sure if 7.5.11 made it onto plainblack.com or not, or if we had to restore from backup, that would've been Haarg 
00:54 <@Haarg> there was a mistake when i was building the release, but nothing that effected the code or update process
00:54 <@perlmonkey2> hmm, the 7.5.11 update was ran on plainblack about 1 hour after the last bad transaction is recorded.
00:55 <@perlmonkey2> then 8 days later 7.5.12 update is ran
00:56 <@preaction> so that seems to mean that pb.com was on 7.5.10 when that transaction happened, which was Commerce, not Shop, which means it was a bug in 7.5.10 that caused the bad transaction, even though we're still showing it now
00:58 <@perlmonkey2> 7.5.11 was the update from Commerce to Shop?
00:58 <@Haarg> yes
00:58 <@perlmonkey2> Then that is true and I say we close it as all transactions happening in Commerce :D
00:59 <@perlmonkey2> Maybe shoot an email to staff seeing if anyone disagrees since these are financial transactions.
01:02 <@perlmonkey2> I guess not
01:07 <@perlmonkey2> New bug with a thingy patch that looks correct.  
01:07 <@perlmonkey2> But I'll leave the Thingy_Expert to decide.
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01:17 < perlDreamer> perlmonkey2, only one problem with your logic.
01:18 < perlDreamer> If the bad transactions were caused by the upgrade script translating old transactions into new ones.
01:18 < perlDreamer> but you'd need an old backup to verify that
01:18 < perlDreamer> and I don't think PB has any.
01:18 <@Haarg> i may
01:18 <@Haarg> depends on if jt murdered it
01:19 <@Haarg> yeah, i still have a 7.5.10 db backup
01:20 < perlDreamer> oooh, hide it someplace safe :)
01:21 <@Haarg> this being the backup starting USE `plainblack`;
01:21 < perlDreamer> perlmonkey2: there you go.  If the transactions are still bad in 7.5.10, you're clear.
01:22 < perlDreamer> otherwise it's an upgrade script bug
01:22 < perlDreamer> and you have a backup to practice upgrading
01:24 <@preaction> so... for some reason Class::InsideOut completely destroys Carp::longmess or something...
01:24 <@Haarg> how so?
01:25 <@preaction> i don't know. Carp::longmess is coming up empty, as though there is no stack to trace
01:29 <@preaction> no. even caller() is returning nothing. there is no stack trace...
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05:30 < nuba> quick question: I'd like to show a user a number of saved searches in a page, is that possible?
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05:31 < nuba> instead of showing the search asset, show the results of a search using the current users's username as input
05:31 < nuba> i mean, instead of "showing the search asset's form with a search field for input by the user"
05:32 < nuba> should I add HTTP proxies instead, and craft the searches I want in the URL being requested from webgui itself?
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06:51 < elnino> reailly quick question, and I'm out of here... =)
06:51 < elnino> client used WRE to install webgui. Does thta mean, that they cant install anything else within apache? or would that be two instance of apache, I think I can only have one...
06:52 < elnino> they may want to go with zencart.
06:52 <@preaction> why not webgui's new shop?
06:52 <@preaction> you should be able to use anything you want on the WRE really
06:53 < elnino> too many features coming, not enough now. : internationa, usps, ups shipping, paypal, etc.
06:54 < elnino> meaning...that  I can install php under WRE?
06:55 <@preaction> the mod_proxy one, sure. otherwise you can recompile that WRE no problem
06:55 <@preaction> you should be able to compile PHP for the WRE's apache
06:55 <@preaction> i wouldn't consider it a fun task though
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06:57 < elnino_laptop> sorry, I lost connectoin after "you should be able to compile"
06:57 < elnino_laptop> I was going to say: "hmmm. ok. She hasn't made up her mind on anything. I'm just trying to answer all her questions when she comes up with them"
06:57 < nuba> preaction: you'd be surprised of how many definitions of fun are out there :D
06:58 <@preaction> [22:55] <preaction> i wouldn't consider it a fun task though
06:58 < elnino_laptop> I think webgui is pretty close. I keep trying
06:59 < elnino_laptop> to suggest webgui.
07:00 < elnino_laptop> oh. well. I'll look into the compiling option. Thanks! Have a good night all!
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07:04 < nuba> maybe using the distro's own apache and php packages and then only changing the port it listens on, and pointing WRE's mod_proxy to that, is WAY easier and faster
07:05 <@preaction> oh most definately, but now you've got three apaches
07:06 <@preaction> instead, i'd use my distro's apache as the mod_proxy for webgui
07:08 < nuba> but then you'd have a fat apache running the mod_proxy plus the distro's mod_whatever_it_comes_with
07:08 <@preaction> yeah... two bad solutions
07:11  * SDuensin has a solution.  You use WebGUI, or I don't host your site.  Works really well.
07:11 < nuba> huh
07:12 < SDuensin> Hey, works for me!  :-)
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07:52 <@perlmonkey2> Haarg: arg, I guess I need that upgrade script
07:52 <@perlmonkey2> I mean the 7.5.10 backup
07:55 <@perlmonkey2> oh lucky, 7.5.10 just happens to be in the directory ready to be used
07:55 <@perlmonkey2> 1Gb.
07:58 <@perlmonkey2> Is there any reason I shouldn't sftp the plainblack db back to my local server for testing?
08:03 <@preaction> perlmonkey2, none whatsoever
08:03 <@perlmonkey2> cool thanks
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10:15 < CIA-7> WebGUI: doug * r7208 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed issue with ITransact gateway throwing error if user does not explicitly set a billing address
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13:39 < WebGUI> good day
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15:40 < WebGUI> what silence
15:40 < WebGUI> is it the middle of the night in the US of A or something?
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19:10 < WebGUI> is the night over yet/
19:18 < CIA-6> WebGUI: translation * r7209 /translations/BrazilianPortuguese/ (162 files in 2 dirs): Update from translation server
19:18 < CIA-6> WebGUI: yung * r7210 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm): fixed: Thingy: System tables created for new things are not forced to use charset=utf8
19:26 <@perlmonkey2> I wonder if the definition of a bad transaction in Commerce is the same as in Shop.
19:26 <@perlmonkey2> the tables are different
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20:37 <@perlmonkey2> YES!  7.5.10 there is 1 transaction without an tranItem.  After the upgrade script there are 558!
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21:16 <+perlDreamer> morning folks
21:22 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r7211 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Shop/PayDriver/ITransact.pm: fix a typo in the ITransact driver, missing semicolon
21:22 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r7212 /WebGUI/t/Form/Date.t: adjust number of tests since one was added
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22:06 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: 
22:06 <+perlDreamer> yes?
22:06 <@perlmonkey2> howdy 
22:06 <+perlDreamer> yo, dude
22:06 <@perlmonkey2> update7.5.10-y.5.11 is where all the transactionItems got lost.
22:06 <+perlDreamer> is it fixable for people who haven't upgraded yet?
22:07 <@perlmonkey2> don't know what went wrong.
22:07 <@perlmonkey2> I was thinking 7.5.20/21 would try to repair it?
22:07 <+perlDreamer> It's not repairable.
22:07 <+perlDreamer> Best you could do is remove the broken ones
22:07 <+perlDreamer> I don't know which one is worse
22:07 <+perlDreamer> having broken ones, or removing them and losing records
22:08 <+perlDreamer> perlmonkey2, having weird deja vu here
22:08 <@perlmonkey2> okay then.  I'll start trying to figure out what went wrong on the update script.
22:08 <+perlDreamer> You can get an old db from Haarg for practice
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22:08 <@perlmonkey2> but before I ran it, 1 missing transactionItem.  After it 446.  There are still exactly 446 after 2 months.  So that is where they came from.
22:08 <@perlmonkey2> I have it.
22:08 <+perlDreamer> oh, cool
22:08 <@perlmonkey2> 7.5.10 is how I figured this out.
22:09 <@perlmonkey2> the db from then.
22:09 <@perlmonkey2> plainblacks
22:09 <+perlDreamer> I'll be on and off through the day, doing toilet repair
22:09 <@perlmonkey2> every test run invovles restoring a 1GB db :P  Gets tedios
22:10 <+perlDreamer> ouch
22:10 <@perlmonkey2> oh fun!
22:10 <+perlDreamer> it's not too bad, just replace all the guts
22:10 <@perlmonkey2> homemaintenence--
22:10 <+perlDreamer> indeed
22:10 <+perlDreamer> bbl
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23:04 <@perlmonkey2> woa, ony 42 transactionItems out of 861 made it through the upgrade.
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23:22 <+perlDreamer> that's not good
23:27 <+perlDreamer> perlmonkey2, might want to consider a fix it script for PB, since you have the original data
23:28 <@preaction> but why did they not make it through? maybe there's a good reason?
23:28 <@perlmonkey2> okay, I guess after I fix the 7.5.10-7.5.11 script, I'll figure out a script to repair the 7.5.20 database with the 7.5.10 one.
23:28 <@perlmonkey2> a one off
23:28 <+perlDreamer> amla may need it too
23:28 <@perlmonkey2> I'm still rerunning it getting data.
23:28 <@preaction> we're at 7.5.20 already and we're not stable yet... our releases have changed a lot in a few short months
23:28 <+perlDreamer> oh, and fixes to 7.5.10 have to be manually copied to 7.4.40-7.5.16
23:30 <+perlDreamer> preaction, do you think it's a problem about not being stable yet?  Are we doing something wrong?
23:30 <@preaction> no, i like it
23:30 <+perlDreamer> I looked into building an LDAP server for testing :)
23:30 <@preaction> it's just changed. 7.3 was stable at what? 9?
23:31 <+perlDreamer> I think we have better post-release testing now than then
23:31 <@preaction> also true
23:31 <+perlDreamer> with kristi, tavisto and vrby
23:31 <+perlDreamer> and then all of us
23:32 <+perlDreamer> maybe we're finally reaching a new critical mass
23:32 <+perlDreamer> Net-LDAP-Server-Test
23:32 <+perlDreamer> too many projects
23:32 <+perlDreamer> too little time
23:33 <+perlDreamer> does pb.com seem slow to anyone else?
23:33 <+perlDreamer> I wonder if video casting from the Olympics is hogging down the whole net?
23:34 <@perlmonkey2> what is alma?
23:34 <@perlmonkey2> amla?
23:34 <+perlDreamer> amla?
23:34 <+perlDreamer> yeah, them
23:35 <@perlmonkey2> them?  amla is amla?
23:35 <@perlmonkey2> :)
23:36 <+perlDreamer> amla is the site that Tavis is always talking about
23:38 <@perlmonkey2> because I don't want to waste 10 minutes restoring the db, I'm going to be lazy and ask a syntax question here.  Is this the best way to do this on a WG::Sql object?  print "ERROR: $db->errorCode \t $db->errorMessage\n" if $db->errorCode;
23:38 <@preaction> there's $db->errorCode? i never knew
23:38 <+perlDreamer> $session->log->warn instead of print
23:38 <@preaction> i just let errors propagate
23:38 <@perlmonkey2> hah...nm, I'm runnign it
23:38 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: I'm printing in the upgrade script
23:38 <+perlDreamer> ah
23:39 <@perlmonkey2> I need to see if the setRow is failing for the transactionItem
23:39 <+perlDreamer> perlmonkey2, you should know that $session->db->setRow alters the data that is sent to it.  That might cause problems.
23:39 <@perlmonkey2> only thing that makes sense.  Unless something further down the line is deleting from transactionItem
23:39 <@perlmonkey2> not a single error and I stopped the upgrade right after the transaction log bit
23:40 <+perlDreamer> I'm going to write a test for it and then patch it.
23:40 <@perlmonkey2> ?
23:40 <+perlDreamer> you should know that $session->db->setRow alters the data that is sent to it.  That might cause problems.
23:40 <@perlmonkey2> hm
23:40 <+perlDreamer> it sends a reference
23:40 <+perlDreamer> the contents are the reference are altered
23:41 <+perlDreamer> which means it's altered back in the caller as well
23:41 <@perlmonkey2> okay, because I'm seeing the proper number of setRows for transactionItem.  Each transaction has a min of 1 and often more.  And there are zero db errors.
23:41 <+perlDreamer> It might not be the cause of the problem, it might hard to tell
23:41 <@perlmonkey2> so it has to be in that setrow call
23:41 <@perlmonkey2> I called finish right after that upgrade.  and the transaction are in the same wrong state
23:43 <@perlmonkey2> oh no
23:43 <+perlDreamer> ?
23:43 <@perlmonkey2> setRow(table,index, ... ) right?
23:43 <@perlmonkey2>  $db->setRow("transactionItem","itemId" 
23:43 <@perlmonkey2> itemId isn't the index i don't think
23:44 <@perlmonkey2> oh, no it is 
23:44 <@perlmonkey2> nm
23:44 <+perlDreamer> yeah, that's okay
23:44 <@perlmonkey2> no it isn't :D
23:44 <+perlDreamer> it's not?
23:45 <+perlDreamer> teach me, oh database enlightened one
23:45 <@perlmonkey2> no noes!  Commerce indexed on the transactionId, itemId is not unique.  In fact there are only 42 unique ids.  Exactly the number that made it through the upgrade.
23:45 <@perlmonkey2> s/no/oh/
23:45 <@perlmonkey2> this just became bigger than me as we might need a schema update.
23:46 <+perlDreamer> with itemId being "new", it should create a new one
23:46 <+perlDreamer> each time it is called
23:46 <@perlmonkey2> ic
23:47 <+perlDreamer> but I think you're on to something
23:48 <+perlDreamer> setRow will return the id of the new row that was added
23:48 <+perlDreamer> that would help pick up duplicates
23:50 <@perlmonkey2> it can't be a coinidence that there are 42 unique itemId's in the 7.5.10 and only 42 tranItems make it through
23:50 <+perlDreamer> no, I agree
23:51 <+perlDreamer> wait a sec
23:51 <+perlDreamer> does setRow work on complex keys?
23:51 <@perlmonkey2> I don't think so
23:51 <@perlmonkey2> j/s I'll look
23:51 <@perlmonkey2> name of the primary key is index
23:51 <@perlmonkey2> yeah, must be a scalar value
23:52 <@perlmonkey2> replace into
23:52 <+perlDreamer> but transationItem is keyed by itemId, transactionId and vendorId
23:53 <@perlmonkey2> but a new itemId must not be 'new'ed because I can find all 42 itemId's in the oldtransaction
23:53 <@perlmonkey2> if they were new, what are the odds random new strings would match all 42?
23:53 <+perlDreamer> none
23:53 <+perlDreamer> no way
23:53 <@perlmonkey2> so 'new' isn't working?
23:53 <+perlDreamer> I don't think it works right on rows with multiple keys
23:54 <@perlmonkey2> it would be trivial to replace setRow with a ->write and do this correctly.
23:54 <@perlmonkey2> that the way to go?
23:54 <+perlDreamer> Oh yeah
23:55 <@perlmonkey2> which should make the pb patch pretty easy also.
23:55 <@perlmonkey2> and the mystery acronym :P
23:55 <+perlDreamer> yes
23:55 <+perlDreamer> I tried to lookup amla.org, and it says "website under maintenance'
23:55 <+perlDreamer> :(
23:55 <@preaction> amlainfo.org
23:55 <@perlmonkey2> wow, this turned from painful to think about to easy patch.  I like :)
23:56 <@perlmonkey2> and its an easy patch for anyone with a 7.5.10 backup
23:57 <@perlmonkey2> anyone to find old backups in the upgrade script?  where does the upgrade script put the backup it creates and does it get deleted?
23:57 <+perlDreamer> no idea
23:57 <@perlmonkey2> s/anyone/anyway/
23:57 <@preaction> upgrade puts the backup it creates in /tmp/backups
23:57 <@perlmonkey2> I'll dig
23:57 <@perlmonkey2> oh
23:57 <@preaction> so... heh... most likely it's gone
23:58 <@preaction> the only thing you can do is tell people who have already upgraded how to recover the data from the backup
23:58 <@perlmonkey2> I guess we could put something in downloads/addons for anyone with an old backup
23:58 <@preaction> do so in the docs/gotcha.txt
23:58 <@perlmonkey2> groovy
23:59 <@preaction> if you have a script, you can put it in the addons, yes
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00:00 <+perlDreamer> perlmonkey2, you're getting a trial by fire
00:00 <@perlmonkey2> preaction: should I write one?  I guess it could be the same one I write to recover PB's data.
00:00 <+perlDreamer> If you survive this, you're money
00:00 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: wow, I was wondering if this was normal and I was barely staying afloat :P
00:00 <@perlmonkey2> thanks for saying that :P
00:01 <@preaction> perlmonkey2, if you write one, you might want to ask the staff list what to do about it. most likely they'll tell you to put it either in the add ons or the svn.webgui.org/plainblack/tools
00:01 <@perlmonkey2> I thought I just sucked as I'm getting a bit panicky and everyone else is all sauve and business as usual.
00:01 <+perlDreamer> dude, no.
00:01 <+perlDreamer> everyone in PB seems to be slammed.
00:02 <+perlDreamer> haven't heard from apeiron in a week or two
00:03 <+perlDreamer> two outside guys working on bugs
00:03 <+perlDreamer> rizen's busy with secret project X
00:04 <@perlmonkey2> exciting project right now.  lots going on.
00:04 <+perlDreamer> I need to drop back and polish off my presentations
00:05 <@perlmonkey2> well before I get started on the patch and update script, I'm going to take a break.  I'm only 50 points from going pro in wii tenis.  I think today is the day.
00:05 <+perlDreamer> go for the gold, man
00:05 <+perlDreamer> and if you suck, rizen will tell you
00:05 <@perlmonkey2> yeah, I guess so.  You suck and you're fired usually go hand in hand.
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00:54 < WebGUI> hey there mr. Jol
00:54 < WebGUI> how do you?
00:55 < WebGUI> and more importantly, how was dinner?
01:06 < BartJol> dinner was excellent
01:06 < BartJol> only deep frying falafel did not succeed
01:07 < BartJol> so we just nbaked it
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01:19 < WebGUI> I made hamburgers
01:25 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: heh
01:25 <@perlmonkey2> the last param in the setRow for transactionItem overrides 'new'.
01:25 <@perlmonkey2> so I just removed the last param, perfect.
01:26 <@perlmonkey2> all this bother and $oldItem->{itemId} is all that needed to be removed.
01:43 <@perlmonkey2> someone has already fixed this.
01:47 <@perlmonkey2> r6903 | jt | 2008-07-08 15:24:19 -0500 (Tue, 08 Jul 2008) | 2 lines
01:47 <@perlmonkey2> fixed transactions lost during 7.5.11 upgrade
01:47 <@perlmonkey2> I'm guessing JT is cool with the data lost then.
01:47 <@perlmonkey2> and we can close this.
02:03 <@perlmonkey2> preaction: I'm not going to write a script to fix the data problem unless I'm tasked with it.  Jt obviously already knows all about the issue.
02:03 <@perlmonkey2> So I'll move on to other bugs
02:09 <+perlDreamer> perlmonkey2, I'm confused
02:09 <+perlDreamer> there is nothing after the data hash in the setRow call for transactionItem
02:10 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: in this version.
02:10 <@perlmonkey2> the version after 7.5.16 which JT fixed.
02:10 <+perlDreamer> that's the one I have
02:10 <@perlmonkey2> 6900 to 6903
02:10 <@perlmonkey2> that is where the change happened on that file
02:12 <+perlDreamer> I see now
02:12 <+perlDreamer> by removing $oldItem->{itemId} it fixed it
02:17 <@perlmonkey2> 17 opens bugs now and I spent the last 2 days solving a solved problem.
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05:10 < elnino> hi.  I'd like to compile a mod into the WRE environment. never done it before.. Ive been scouring google/webgui's site to see how to do this, and am coming up clean. Perhaps I'm not searching for the correct terms?
05:11 < elnino> found this: http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/wre-building but it doesn't mention anything about added mod. specificaly, I ned to add mod_php
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05:12 < elnino_laptop> if anyone ansered, I missed it, please repeat. I lost my connectoin.
05:18 < elnino_laptop> could it be as simple as adding LoadModule in the modproxy conf file? 
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05:56 <@perlmonkey2> In which table are items referenced by storageId stored?
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06:02 < elnino> sorry. lost connection again.
06:03 < elnino> perlmonkey: hope that helped.
06:04 <@perlmonkey2> elnino if you sent something I didn't get it :(
06:05 < elnino> perlmonkey2: according to: http://www.webgui.org/dev/db-schema, article,event, fileasset,matrixlisting, post, advertisement, imagefont, all have a storageid, but it doesn't look like any of them are pks.
06:05 <@perlmonkey2> oh, yeah, thanks
06:05 < elnino> perlmonkey2:hope that helped =)
06:05 < elnino> oh good. =) little delay too.
06:06 <@perlmonkey2> I was hoping it was a key to some on disk storage.  Maybe its a key to something on disk?
06:06 <@perlmonkey2> oh, fileasset
06:07 <@perlmonkey2> nope, that isn't it
06:07 < elnino> don't know if that page is the most recent.... but I heavily rely on it. it's all I have.
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06:09 < elnino> like I said, none of them looked like they were using storageid as the primarykey, so maybe something is missing from that page. or called something else in another table..
06:09 <@perlmonkey2> hmm, in the Survey2beta I use the storageId to store uploaded files.  maybe I shouldn't be a tard and look at that code to see how it works.
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14:40 < SynQ> hi all
14:40 < SynQ> what a beautiful day it is
14:41 < BartJo1> why, because you know I'll be leaving tomorrow? ;)
14:53 < SynQ> uh no
14:53 < SynQ> thanks for reminding me
14:54 < BartJo1> I thought you would remember
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14:55 < BartJo1> but now I've got to print some stuff, so I'm off
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16:40 < WebGUI> hi there
16:40 < BartJol> hi
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18:02 <@perlmonkey2> Looks like the swedish collation bug could be solved by moving all of PB's DB tables to utf8, which looks to be the default of new schema's.  
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20:51 <@perlmonkey2> Where is the Beta Demo?
20:52 <@perlmonkey2> nevermind, google answerd :)
21:00 < BartJol> and... are the USA ready for my return?
21:02 < BartJol> if you feel the ground tremble, my plane landed
21:10 <@perlmonkey2> :D
21:18 < BartJol> you can laugh now, but wait till we have taken over your country with the means of just beer, haring and cheese...
21:18 < BartJol> :)
21:24 <@perlmonkey2> I thought it was wine and cheese, does beer and cheese go together?
21:25 < BartJol> better than applepie and cheese
21:25 < WebGUI> haring?
21:25 < WebGUI> herring you mean
21:27 < BartJol> probably
21:27 < BartJol> you spoiled the surprise :)
21:28 < WebGUI> hehe
21:28 < WebGUI> you're taking a tonnetje haring into the plane?
21:29 < BartJol> I believe that is forbidden
21:33 < WebGUI> so do I
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00:07 <+MrHairgrease> Bart!
00:08 <+MrHairgrease> Are you ready to go yet?
00:09 < BartJol> almost, get some sleep
00:09 < BartJol> and wake up in time...
00:10 < BartJol> oh, finish my beer first :)
00:10 <+MrHairgrease> don't forget to prepare the madison bars for the Dutch invasion!
00:10 < BartJol> oh, I wanted to take them by surprise
00:11 <+MrHairgrease> sure
00:11 <+MrHairgrease> you take em by surprise
00:11 <+MrHairgrease> but the Dutch tsunami will kick in two weeks later
00:11 < BartJol> on my own, I think the impression is not toal
00:11 <+MrHairgrease> toal?
00:11 < BartJol> indeed, this wil be just a friendly summer brease
00:12 < BartJol> total
00:12 <+MrHairgrease> ah
00:13 < BartJol> but I think I've got everything packed (except my laptop)
00:18 < BartJol> even got a new wallet without the unusual holes
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00:23 < WebGUI> does that wallet have room for mayonaise?
00:23 < BartJol> no
00:23 < WebGUI> well it's not a proper wallet then is it
00:24 < BartJol> well, room maybe, but not a special pocketr
00:24 < WebGUI> ah ok
00:24 < WebGUI> it will fit in any pocket
00:24 < BartJol> but for that, you need someone elses wallet
00:25 < WebGUI> yours will do just fine ;)
00:25 < BartJol> mmm, take JT's, see what happens
00:25 < BartJol> I imagine a very flat Koen
00:28 < WebGUI> I don't know if JT likes mayonaise as much as I do
00:30 < BartJol> ok I'll add mayo to the list with beer and haring
00:31 < CIA-6> WebGUI: martin * r7213 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: Gallery navigation back to album returns to page 1
00:33 < WebGUI> right, good plan
00:34 < BartJol> but now, I will pack my laptop and will be online tomorrow evening (Madison time) again
00:34 < BartJol> so god speed
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00:52 <+perlDreamer> perlmonkey2: do you have questions about some of those bugs I posted/responded to?
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02:34 <@perlmonkey2> no
02:34 <@perlmonkey2> pd, I was just reading your email to ask you a Q
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03:04 <@perlmonkey2> can someone open up a broswer that won't have a wb session at pb and go to plainblack.com and see if the syndicated content is recent?
03:05 <@perlmonkey2> no matter what I do I can't see this bug.
03:30 <+Radix-wrk> Webgui 7.5.19 (beta) Released is the latest entry
03:31 <+Radix-wrk> I haven't been to the page in a while, so not logged in and shouldn't have any session info
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03:43 <@perlmonkey2> hmm, I be seeing it then Radix-wrk.  The latest I see on the home page is "A Greener Wuc".
03:44 <@perlmonkey2> looks like a server side caching issue.
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05:09 <@perlmonkey2> hmm, a syndicated content caching issue that is variable per session, even variable for new sessions.
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06:08 <@perlmonkey2> JT has a charset bug for the PB site which looks like a table has not been changed to utf8 collation.  Is there any reason we should just alter all the tables to make sure they are using utf8 encoding/collation?
06:08 <@perlmonkey2> Apparently mysql doesn't like to compare utf8 with latin1 columns.
06:09 <@preaction> you'll have to ask haarg, that was supposed to be done. there are... complications... that mysql adds to the process
06:14 <@perlmonkey2> complications--
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06:59 < CIA-6> WebGUI: translation * r7214 /translations/Spanish/ (11 files in 2 dirs): Update from translation server
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17:17 < topsub> Morning Everyone!
17:23 <@perlmonkey2> Good morning
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17:33 < dionak> does anyone know where the address book template lives for the cart? i clicked on manage but don't see the template...
17:33 <@perlmonkey2> What's going on with Navman?
17:35 < dionak> oh, yea... pagination
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17:45 < AMH_bob> Good morning!
17:45 < AMH_bob> Just 14 days until we head over to Madison!
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18:17 < AMH_bob> bye now!
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18:41 < xootom> hi all, i'm trying to use a new login template. but it never shows the form for me. I duplicate the default login one, copy its ID and put this in the ^L macro. none of the fields are rendered though. 
18:42 < xootom> I've set the site settings to use this new login form and it works ok there, just not in the macro on the page layout
18:42 <@perlmonkey2> Is the WSClient borked?
18:44 < xootom> what's the WSClient?
18:46 <@Haarg> web services client - unrelated to your question
18:46 < xootom> ah k 
18:46 <@Haarg> are you sure you are specifying the param properly to the login macro?
18:47 <@Haarg> the id is the second parameter
18:47 < xootom> ^L("","","QGBXcJoHWc5-xBz_OF5RZg");
18:47 <@Haarg> wait
18:47 <@Haarg> yeah, third
18:48 < xootom> i've tried it on my site, stable demo and beta demo all exactly the same thing
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18:48 < xootom> it's getting the right template cos I can put some arbitrary text in the template which does show. Just none of the actual login stuff
18:49 <@Haarg> and you haven't modified the template at all?
18:49 < xootom> no just did a duplicate in the asset manager on each site
18:50 <@Haarg> pm2: there is something about that particular web service it isn't handling
18:50 <@Haarg> .NET SOAP support is a RFE
18:50 <@preaction> xootom, the L_loginBox macro takes a different template than the normal Login template
18:51 <@perlmonkey2> Haarg: I'm now trying it with the cookbook test server
18:51 <@perlmonkey2> Haarg: and it is failing on the getState(21) example where it tests if the result is a hashref.  If it isn't a hash ref it errors out rather than failing the if test.
18:51 < xootom> preaction: ahh that would explain it, thanks
18:52 <@perlmonkey2> this looks like a different problem than the .Net stuff.  I moved it to an RFE but the user came back claiming that they could n't get any WSServices to work.  So I tested the soap::lite cookbook server and it failed.
18:52 <@perlmonkey2> but should be an easy fix.
18:53 <@Haarg> easy...
18:53 <@Haarg> have you looked at the WSClient code?
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18:58 < juan> can i execute a workflow after a user change his password?
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19:01 < perlDreamer> juan, there is no default way in WebGUI to do that
19:02 < perlDreamer> But it is possible, you would need to add custom code to do that.
19:03 < juan> where have i to add that code?
19:03 < juan> in the authentication module?
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19:04 <@preaction> more likely in the WebGUI::Operation::Auth
19:05 < juan> can i create my own code to perfom the change password action?
19:06 <@preaction> probably, yes
19:07 < juan> my doubt is how to store in the database the new password with the respective encryption
19:07 < juan> can i use the webgui api?
19:08 <@preaction> probably, i don't know
19:08 < perlDreamer> juan, if you change the encryption in the database, you'll also need to change how login works
19:09 < juan> perlDreamer, is not for changing the encryption, is how can i perfom the actual encryption using the new password?
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19:10 < juan> is there something in the webgui api that can help me?
19:11 < perlDreamer> juan, I don't understand what you want to do.
19:11 < perlDreamer> you started by saying you want to run a workflow
19:11 < juan> yes
19:12 < perlDreamer> then you talked about storing the password in the database with encryption
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19:12 < perlDreamer> is this the same encryption that WebGUI uses, or a new one?
19:12 < juan> the same that WebGUI uses
19:12 <@perlmonkey2> Haarg: sorry, was indisposed.  Yeas, I've looked at it.  
19:12 < juan> the thing is that i want to create my own code to update the password when a user try to change it
19:13 <@perlmonkey2> looks like line 437 needs to test for a hash befeore trying to do the evaluation.
19:13 <@perlmonkey2> because tha tline errors out if the value is not a hash.
19:13 < perlDreamer> well, all the code that you need is in WebGUI::Auth, WebGUI::Auth::WebGUI, WebGUI::Auth::LDAP and WebGUI::Operation::Auth
19:13 < juan> can i use the api?
19:14 <@Haarg> 437?
19:14 <@perlmonkey2> 437 of WSClient
19:14 <@Haarg> that's a comment for me
19:14 <@perlmonkey2> hmm, strange I just did an svn revert
19:14 <@Haarg> oh
19:14 <@Haarg> sorry
19:15 <@Haarg> been messing with the file
19:15 <@Haarg> thought i had removed all that stuff
19:15 <@perlmonkey2> Couldn't call method view on asset for url: getting_started Root cause: Can't use string ("Massachusetts") as a HASH ref while "strict refs" in use at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/WSClient.pm line 444.
19:15 <@perlmonkey2> cept that is 437 now
19:16 <@perlmonkey2> and the SOAP::SOM object looks correct and the logic should work.  Just looks like it needs to test for a hashref first.
19:17 < perlDreamer> juan, you can use parts of the API, but you'll need to write custom code to interrupt it, insert your extra processing, and then allow it to continue
19:20 < perlDreamer> In the beginning of the movie "The Incredibles", they're interviewing Mr. Incredible
19:20 < juan> ok
19:21 < juan> i am going to check the api
19:21 < juan> thanks
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19:24 < perlDreamer> "No matter how many times you save the world, it always manages to get back in jeopardy again. Sometimes I just want it to stay saved! You know, for a little bit? I feel like the maid; I just cleaned up this mess! Can we keep it clean for... for ten minutes! "
19:24 < perlDreamer> I'm starting to feel that way about WebGUI and bugs
19:25 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: I propose a 18 day halt to all bug posts :P
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19:36 < dionak> if products in the cart do not have shipping, should the user have to go through choosing a shipping address?
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19:37 < dionak> sorry guys, we have to keep reporting bugs as we see them. think of it as having your very own testers. :)
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19:41 < dionak> answering my own question...it looks like shipping address is required. 
19:41 < lisette> i can erase an Collaboration from DB?
19:42 < dionak> have you tried deleting it from the asset tree?
19:43 < dionak> why is shipping address required? are the payment gateways driving this requirement?
19:43 < lisette> i have an error and can't open my site
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19:44 < dionak> what's in the log? Is it an error related to a collab system? 
19:44 < dionak> i've had that happen if i cut + paste posts or wiki entries outside of the collab system. in that case, i had to delete directly from the db. 
19:45 < lisette> WARN - www.pruebas.com.conf - WebGUI::Content::Asset::tryAssetMethod[207] - Couldn't call method view on asset for url:  Root cause: no good: 7Hn99MZUHJu0GmjVp-xf2A at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Collaboration.pm line 1178.
19:45 < dionak> does that relate back to a collab?
19:46 < dionak> oh, yea...guess it would ;)
19:48 < dionak> looks like the template couldn't be instantiated. 
19:48 < lisette> mmm
19:48 < dionak> that id is for the template for the collaboration system, according to Collaboration.pm line 1179
19:49 < dionak> maybe you could check the db and add it back if it is in fact missing?
19:49 < dionak> or at least make an entry so you can open your site
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19:52 < lisette> ok, thanks
19:53 < dionak> yw
19:53 < dionak> so back to shipping address in the cart..
19:54 < dionak> why is it required...just curious. 
19:54 < perlDreamer> for calculating taxes and shipping costs
19:54 <@preaction> because we'd be unable to calculate a shipping cost without it
19:54 < dionak> i see the idea that an item isShippable, which looks like there is a concept that shipping is boolean. 
19:55 < dionak> are there plans in the future to make items not shippable. for example, digital downloads?
19:55 < perlDreamer> Things in the EMS are not shippable
19:56 < perlDreamer> I don't think Coupons are shippable
19:56 < perlDreamer> Coupon = FlatDiscount
19:56 < perlDreamer> and Donations
19:57 < dionak> hm, we're selling training events through the cart which aren't shippable. 
19:57 < dionak> it's admission, basically. 
19:57 < perlDreamer> the latest version of the Product has an isShippingRequired field as an asset property
19:57 < dionak> but they are far more simple than the ems
19:57 < dionak> ah, ok. i'll take a look there. 
19:58 < dionak> does the cart take that into consideration yet?
19:59 < perlDreamer> yes it does
19:59 < perlDreamer> I had forgotten to build that in when I Sku-ed the Product, and there was a bug filed about it
19:59 < perlDreamer> The cart wouldn't calculate per-item shipping, so it was hastily (and somewhat embarassedly) fixed
20:00 < dionak> ok..
20:02 < dionak> yea, looks like one can't check out without shipping. line 751
20:02 < dionak> thinking aloud...if there is no shipping, tax should be calculated using billing address...?
20:03 <@preaction> can't. it has to be calculated before that
20:03 < dionak> or is it already?
20:03 < dionak> ah
20:03 < dionak> ok, i see the issue now
20:03 <@preaction> plus, billing address may not even exist, it's a function of the PayDriver
20:03 < dionak> ugh
20:04 <@preaction> what ugh? the Cash driver, for example, doesn't need a billing address
20:04 <@preaction> PayPal driver wouldn't either
20:04 <@preaction> PayPal driver would take your shipping address for verification though
20:06 < dionak> b/c paypal already has your billing and shipping info. makes sense
20:09 < dionak> the ugh was more related to how to emulate existing functionality. not the cart
20:12 < juan> i had many users with ldap authentication and i change his authentication to webgui using the userimport.pl.  i use the next columns in my file, username, password and authMethod
20:12 < juan> now i try to edit a user by admin console and have the next error
20:13 < juan> Couldn't execute operation : WebGUI::Operation::User::www_editUser. Root cause: Can't call method "get" on an undefined value at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Auth/LDAP.pm line 212.
20:30 <@perlmonkey2> Haarg: after that single fix I just don't think the WSClient was set up to handle simple scalar results.
20:30 <@Haarg> seems likely
20:33 <@perlmonkey2> hmm, the template needs an arrayref hashes with a result key.  But the getPageData from WG::Paginator would never return this I don't think.  Is that a bug?
20:33 <@perlmonkey2> I meant 'result' key
20:35 <@Haarg> it's only going to be result under some conditions
20:35 <@Haarg> it depends on the service
20:35 <@Haarg> you need to have a template built for your particular service
20:35 <@perlmonkey2> ah, so the 'bug' is the template is not set up to display the results.
20:35 <@perlmonkey2> hah
20:36 <@Haarg> the bug on the list you mean?
20:36 <@perlmonkey2> of course.  the template is obviously a default, so I have no idea why I was trying to cram these results into it.  
20:36 <@perlmonkey2> yes, the 'bug' in quotations because it certainly is not a bug.
20:36 <@Haarg> well, i was trying that
20:37 <@Haarg> and it wasn't returning anything for me
20:37 <@Haarg> not in 'result' or any other variable
20:37 <@Haarg> if the return is just a scalar, it should be put into 'result'
20:37 <@perlmonkey2> I only tried the service in the bug list a couple times but gave up as I wasn't sure if the service was set up correctly
20:38 <@perlmonkey2> it is a array of scalars.
20:38 <@Haarg> i think there is a bug somewhere, but i'm not sure where
20:38 <@perlmonkey2> @result = $return->paramsall; @results contains a single scalar value
20:39 <@Haarg> which won't work with the HTML::Template
20:39 <@perlmonkey2> hmm, or really any template as tmpl_loops must have an array ref of hash refs
20:40 <@Haarg> yes
20:40 <@perlmonkey2> because this code delievers an array ref of array refs
20:41 <@Haarg> in what case does it do that?
20:41 <@perlmonkey2> in this case
20:42 <@perlmonkey2> oh no, just an array ref of scalars
20:43 <@Haarg> MrHairgrease, after your change to navigation indents, a nav selecting children or descendants starts with indent of 0 instead of 1
20:43 <@perlmonkey2> So if the result is not a hash and not an array, the third test should set each value to a hash ref with a key of 'result'?
20:43 <@Haarg> i suppose
20:43 <@Haarg> seems like it would be broken with an array as well
20:44 <+MrHairgrease> haarg, yes
20:44 <+MrHairgrease> unless you also include self
20:44 <+MrHairgrease> then the children are indented
20:44 <+MrHairgrease> while if you don't do that they are not
20:44 <@Haarg> i'm not sure if we should change that
20:45 <+MrHairgrease> why not?
20:45 <@Haarg> it broke the default webgui nav for example
20:45 <+MrHairgrease> really?
20:45 <+MrHairgrease> how?
20:45 <@Haarg> the page gets forced to 500px tall now
20:46 <+MrHairgrease> it's a css thing?
20:46 <@Haarg> basically, it was relying on that depth to close a bunch of tags
20:46 <@Haarg> which aren't getting closed
20:46 <@Haarg> it throws the css off, but that's just a symptom
20:46 <+MrHairgrease> are you referring to ul li closing tags?
20:47 <@Haarg> yeah
20:47 <@perlmonkey2> The current temp is: Massachusetts :D
20:47 <@Haarg> and divs
20:47 <+MrHairgrease> b/c that should be fixed now.
20:47 <+MrHairgrease> that was how i found the wrong indent thingy in the first place
20:47 <@perlmonkey2> Haarg: this look correct for cases where the SOAP::Som returns scalars instead of arrays or hashes?  @result = map({'result' => $_}, @{$p->getPageData});
20:47 <@perlmonkey2> because it works in this case.
20:48 <@Haarg> what nav template are you refering to?
20:48 <+MrHairgrease> the problem was that if you had ancestors reldepth became minus something
20:48 <@Haarg> i think that should do pm2
20:48 <+MrHairgrease> which resulted in wrong indent_loop problems
20:48 <@Haarg> well, i can change webgui's nav easily enough
20:48 <+MrHairgrease> uh
20:48 <+MrHairgrease> let me checl
20:48 <+MrHairgrease> hang on
20:48 <@Haarg> i'm just worried about it breaking other things
20:50 <+MrHairgrease> i think it was bulleted list
20:50 <+MrHairgrease> afk
20:53 <+MrHairgrease> ok i'm back
20:54 <+MrHairgrease> I'm not sure it breaks other stuff.
20:54 <+MrHairgrease> If it does that stuff has been written to workaround faulty behaviour
20:54 <+MrHairgrease> but that's of course a bit of a moot statement...
20:55 <+MrHairgrease> IMO the indent should be calculated from the first page in the loop
20:55 <+MrHairgrease> not the start point
20:55 <@Haarg> maybe
20:56 <+MrHairgrease> the 'leftmost' page should have indent zero
20:56 <@Haarg> the help specifically says the loop is based on relDepth
20:56 <+MrHairgrease> i see
20:56 <+MrHairgrease> then how do you generate a loop for a negative reldepth?
20:56 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: I wonder if that bug you posted is related to JT's bug where the email wasn't parsed correctly
20:57 <@Haarg> you don't
20:57 <@Haarg> i think the new behavior is better
20:57 <+MrHairgrease> reldepth is a very confusingparam anyway
20:57 <+MrHairgrease> I'm in the process of preparing diner
20:57 <@Haarg> in most cases people won't be trying to do complex things like the yui nav is
20:57 <+MrHairgrease> i'll be back later tonight
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21:20 < perlDreamer> perlmonkey2: that could be
21:28 < perlDreamer> rizen: sounds like puppet may be the successor to cfengine
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21:34 <@perlmonkey2> If I have a first and last name, what are all the ways to find transaction belonging to them.  I'll look for a user matching that name, transaction username, shipping/payment name, but have got nothing.
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21:59 <+MrHairgrease> ok i'm back
22:00 <+MrHairgrease> haarg: are you afraid it'll break custom templates of people or just the default templates
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22:03 <@perlmonkey2> If cacheTimeout is of type 'interval' what is this doing? $self->get("cacheTimeout") > 10      Just seeing if 10 seconds have passed?
22:03 <@preaction> no, it's seeing if the cache timeout is greater than 10 seconds
22:07 <@Haarg> MrHairgrease, custom templates
22:08 <+MrHairgrease> hmm, so what do you think?
22:11 <@Haarg> well, the old behavior didn't make any sense for ancestors
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22:50 < lisette> how to do a query in an utility?
22:58 < perlDreamer> lisette, what is an utility?
22:59 < lisette> the perl libraries that are in sbin
22:59 < lisette> _utility.skeleton
23:02 < perlDreamer> well, you get a session variable, and do $session->db->whateverMethodYouNeed, just like in the core
23:04 < lisette> ok, like a macro?
23:06 < perlDreamer> yes, in that they both use the session variable to access the database
23:06 < lisette> ok
23:06 < lisette> thanks
23:21 <+MrHairgrease> haarg, ok, so maybe we can add a tmpl_var like relDepth_loop or so that still captures the old behaviour.
23:21 <+MrHairgrease> That way it's easy for people to adjust their templates
23:21 <+MrHairgrease> It could even be automated
23:21 < perlDreamer> No!
23:21 < perlDreamer> No more template variables
23:21 < perlDreamer> It's not allowed
23:21 <@preaction> EVER
23:22 < perlDreamer> If you want more, you have to get rid of some
23:22 < perlDreamer> or just fix some broken ones
23:22 <@preaction> we're pushing the limit already. 
23:22 <@preaction> why won't anybody think of the space-time continuum!?
23:22 <+MrHairgrease> jeezs
23:22 <+MrHairgrease> who do you think holds the space-time continuum together
23:23 < perlDreamer> the old way was broken
23:23 < SynQ> has bart arrived yet?
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23:23 <+BartJol> why not
23:23 -!- BartJol is now known as MrHairgrease
23:23 < perlDreamer> Did he leave?
23:23 <+MrHairgrease> yeah
23:24 < perlDreamer> where did he go?
23:24 <+MrHairgrease> he's on his way preparing Madison for the Dutch Tsunami
23:24 <+MrHairgrease> JT's
23:24 <@preaction> The European Invasion
23:25 <@preaction> i'll get the gunpowder, you get the muskets!
23:25 < perlDreamer> preaction: Archive::Zip sucks
23:25 <@preaction> yes
23:25 <+MrHairgrease> yeah, it suck files right?
23:25 <@preaction> which is why I used Archive::Any
23:26 < SynQ> ah
23:27 <+MrHairgrease> Not sure if Bart has arrived yet though
23:27 <+MrHairgrease> He probably isn't yet
23:27 < tavisto_> well I can't wait for Koen to show up and play Merc....   eh SynQ?  ;)
23:27 <+MrHairgrease> it's on;y 15.30 over there
23:28 < tavisto_> Koen is an eeeeevil man
23:29 <+MrHairgrease> Not evil
23:29 <+MrHairgrease> just annoying at times =)
23:29 < tavisto_> oh well in JT's Merc card game... Koen is an evil ruler
23:29 <+MrHairgrease> ok
23:29 <+MrHairgrease> evil and annoying =)
23:30 < tavisto_> that works heh
23:30 < perlDreamer> Evil co-ruler of the D.I.F
23:30 <+MrHairgrease> dif?
23:30 < perlDreamer> Dutch Invasion Force
23:30 <+MrHairgrease> do it for free?
23:30 <+MrHairgrease> oh that
23:30 < perlDreamer> Kind of like the Voltron Force, but not as cool
23:30 <+MrHairgrease> it's hard to outcool the DIF
23:30 < perlDreamer> I don't know, giant, flying robot lions are pretty cool
23:31 < perlDreamer> all you guys have is some perl code
23:32  * MrHairgrease thinks perlDreamer should stay of the funny colored pills
23:32 <+MrHairgrease> besides, apart from perl code we also have our totally hyped up image
23:33 <@perlmonkey2> I can be 100% sure that a transactionId is unique, right?
23:34 <@preaction> perlmonkey2, is it a GUID?
23:34 <+MrHairgrease> yes
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23:34 <+MrHairgrease> if it isn't it's a bug
23:34 <@perlmonkey2> k
23:35 <+MrHairgrease> are you working on the postback problem?
23:35 <@perlmonkey2> yes
23:36 <@perlmonkey2> I'm writing an sql script that will take a backup of a database and repair the transactionItems lost in the 7.5.11 update.
23:36 <+MrHairgrease> is the payDriverId indeed the problem?
23:36 <@perlmonkey2> no idea.  
23:36 <+MrHairgrease> it's probably another bug
23:36 <@perlmonkey2> But I do know that all the transactionItems from before 7.5.11 are bad.
23:37 <+MrHairgrease> since the one i was refering to, has to do with transactions themselves
23:37 <@perlmonkey2> But the bug might have changed since you last read.  
23:37 <+MrHairgrease> not the items inside
23:37 <@perlmonkey2> Now there are reoccurring transaction throwing errors abotu not have good transactions or something like that.
23:37 <+MrHairgrease> yeah
23:37 <+MrHairgrease> i poted some replies to that bug
23:38 <@perlmonkey2> yeah, saw them and I'll try to implement what you said after I do this.
23:38 <+MrHairgrease> ok
23:38 <+MrHairgrease> good luck
23:38 <+MrHairgrease> if you need help,let me know
23:38 <@perlmonkey2> Oh, what, the new guy working on an incredibly large module, correctly difficult to diagnose problems concerning transaction, needs luck?  Hardly!
23:39 <@perlmonkey2> s/correctly/correcting/
23:39 <@perlmonkey2> :
23:39 <@perlmonkey2> :P
23:39 <+MrHairgrease> ok
23:39 <+MrHairgrease> in that case what are you waiting for
23:39 <@perlmonkey2> sorry, that was my attempt at humor
23:39 <+MrHairgrease> =)
23:39 <@perlmonkey2> heh
23:39 <+MrHairgrease> you'll fit in great with most of the DIF
23:40 <@perlmonkey2> DIF?
23:40 <+MrHairgrease> ask colin
23:40 <+MrHairgrease> perlbot help
23:40 < perlbot> (fact) : tell (who) about (what) : (what) > (who) : learn (what) as (info) : relearn (fact) as (info) : phone (phone #) : shorten (url) : shorten it : search (keyword) : cpan (mod) : docs (mod) : perldoc -f (func) : jargon (term) : math (expr): fortune : flip : host (type) (record) : rot13 (text) : roll (die) : tempconv (temp) : scramble (foo) : 8ball (question) : slap (who) : diss (who) : top/bottom (num) karma : geoip (ip)
23:40 <+MrHairgrease> perlbot learn DIF as Dutch Invasion Force
23:40 < perlbot> added DIF to the database
23:41 <+MrHairgrease> perlbot what is DIF
23:41 < perlbot> I already have an entry for what
23:41 <+MrHairgrease> perlbot DIF
23:41 < perlbot> Dutch Invasion Force
23:41 <@perlmonkey2> Dutch Invasion Force.  I like the sound of that ;)
23:42 <+MrHairgrease> you better
23:43 < SynQ> what's the DIFference?
23:43 < juan> can i associate the thingy with another database?
23:55 <@preaction> juan, what do you mean?
23:55 <@preaction> get data from another database to put into Thingy?
23:56 < juan> in the version 7.5.x, what happened with the sql form?
23:56 <@preaction> if you weren't using it, it was deleted
23:56 <@preaction> it's a community add-on now, not included with the default distribution
23:57 < juan> i want to use the thingy but i want to store the data in another database
23:57 < juan> is it posible?
23:57 <@preaction> not currently
23:58 < juan> but it will be a new feature later
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00:00 <+MrHairgrease> it is not allowed by design
00:01 <@preaction> yeah, i don't think it's possible, period
00:01 <@preaction> but RFEs are RFEs, they can be anything
00:01 < SynQ> thingy is simple by design
00:01 < SynQ> simple is not the same as complex
00:01 < SynQ> you cannot do complex things with it
00:01 < SynQ> if that would be possible
00:02 < SynQ> it wouldn't be simple anymore
00:02 <@preaction> i don't think it should be complex, imho. do one thing and do it well
00:02 <@preaction> the data in a Thingy should only matter to the Thingy
00:02 < SynQ> you mean simple
00:02 < SynQ> clear
00:02 <@preaction> </soapbox>
00:02 < SynQ> hehe
00:03 <@preaction> well... not to bruise any egos, but the Collaboration System is a lesson in trying to push a single idea too far
00:03 < SynQ> you mean it is powerfull
00:03 < SynQ> but still has limitations
00:03 <@preaction> CS == Threaded messaging. We did blogs, forums, photo galleries, request tracking, news and mailing lists
00:04 < SynQ> indeed
00:04 <@preaction> it is powerful, but not as powerful at being a Gallery as the new Gallery is
00:04 < SynQ> wonderful
00:04 < SynQ> agreed
00:05 < SynQ> and still
00:05 < SynQ> gallery is powerfull as a gallery, but still has it's limitations as a gallery
00:05 < SynQ> but that is OK
00:05 < SynQ> since WebGUI is a lot of powerfull stuff together
00:05 <@preaction> right, but it has a single goal: A Gallery of Files. we can improve it towards that goal
00:06 < SynQ> indeed
00:06 < SynQ> I like the gallery
00:06 <@preaction> CS has had multiple goals, and that has cost it in terms of complexity
00:06 < SynQ> but I don't see the point of the thingy
00:07 < SynQ> I think though sqlform breaks more easily with a webgui upgrade it's more powerfull and clearer to use for the user that has the capability to wield the power of the sqlform
00:07 <@preaction> there'll be some presentations on it at the WUC i think. with some ideas
00:07 < SynQ> but what so ever
00:07 < SynQ> I'm not going to use both of them :)
00:08 <@preaction> eh, i never used the SQLform, and i suspect i won't be using Thingy much either. my world is in the code behind them
00:08 < SynQ> my world is in de platform below that
00:08 < juan> perlDreamer,  i had some users with ldap authentication, now i changed it to webgui, when io try to log in with a user, why have i to change my password?
00:08 < SynQ> and even in the platform below that platform
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00:08 < juan> how can avoid that?
00:09 <@preaction> juan, because the LDAP auth never stored a password, it used the underlying LDAP server to validate. 
00:10 < juan> but when i change the authentication i updated the password too
00:10 <@preaction> did you set the Password Timeout?
00:10 < juan> yes
00:10 <@preaction> to what?
00:12 < juan> 6 months
00:12 <@preaction> dunno then
00:13 < juan> so, i don't want that the users have to change the password again
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00:40 < topsub> alright who is ready to think?
00:41 < topsub> need some input on this cart
00:41 < topsub> i have a macro that basically auto logs in a visitor so they can check out so they don't have to log in
00:42 < topsub> could i put this call on the cart page?
00:42 < topsub> so when they visit the cart it will log them in so when they go to check out they won't be asked to login?
00:49 <@perlmonkey2> Haarg preaction, I've add a new tool which if the oldtransaction and oldtransactionitem tables are available form before 7.5.11, it will correct the post 7.5.11 transactionItems.  I'm guessing it should be doubly validated before being used on pb.  I've done it locally a few times, but that's probbaly not good enough testing.
00:49 <@perlmonkey2> s/add/added/
00:50 <@Haarg> you using the pb database?
00:50 <@Haarg> i have a similar thing for dataform i never got around to using on pb.com
00:51 <@perlmonkey2> yes
00:51 <@perlmonkey2> I put the oldtransaction and oldtransactionitem in a tar on frozen.
00:51 <@perlmonkey2> the tool is in svn.
00:52 <@perlmonkey2> the two tables just need loading into pb, then run the tool and then all the old transactionItems should be there.
00:52 <@perlmonkey2> hopefully closing 1-2 bugs :)
00:52 <@perlmonkey2> but I don't want to be the one pulling the trigger without another dev validating, especially since I was told to write nothing to disk on frozen :)
00:57 < perlDreamer> touch somefile
00:57 < perlDreamer> !BANG!
00:57 < perlDreamer> poor perlmonkey2
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00:57 < BartJol> he SynQ, I'm alive and well
00:57 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: hah, no, just don't write to the DB :P
00:57 <+MrHairgrease> BART!
00:57 < BartJol> I survived
00:57 <+MrHairgrease> aparently
00:58 <+MrHairgrease> how was the flight?
00:58 < BartJol> rizen looks a bit like Koen last year right now
00:58 < BartJol> good
00:58 <+MrHairgrease> hehe
00:58 <+MrHairgrease> that bad?
00:58 < BartJol> nice weather\
00:58 <+MrHairgrease> what did he do?
00:58 < BartJol> and a chickie nect to me in the plane\
00:58 < BartJol> dunno
00:59 <+MrHairgrease> so you got her number?
00:59 <@perlmonkey2> Haarg: preaction: I'm going to lunch, so if you have time to look at that new tool and have questions, I"ll be back in a bit.
00:59 < BartJol> unfortunately not
00:59 <+MrHairgrease> too bad
00:59 <+MrHairgrease> how did you get from chicago to madison btw?
00:59 < BartJol> indeed
00:59 < BartJol> renatl var
01:00 <+MrHairgrease> aha
01:00 <+MrHairgrease> the renatl var
01:00 < BartJol> rental car...
01:00 <+MrHairgrease> I thought you didn't want to renatl a var in the first week?
01:00 < BartJol> no, but it was kindof the only realistic option
01:01 <+MrHairgrease> yeah probably
01:01 < SynQ> what am I reading
01:01 <+MrHairgrease> I thought you needed a year drivers licence to rent a car
01:01 < SynQ> does JT finally look pretty?
01:04 < SynQ> what did he do?
01:06 <@rizen> i think he's referring to the fact that i haven't shaved in a week, and my hair looks like a mad scientist
01:07 < perlDreamer> back to hacking!
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01:07 < SynQ> ah
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01:07 < SynQ> the famous mad scientist look
01:07 < BartJol> Jt was already pretty
01:07 < SynQ> do you also speak in riddles?
01:08 < BartJol> :)
01:08 < BartJol> I had to repark my car
01:08 < SynQ> ah
01:08 <+MrHairgrease> wtf? JT's bold?
01:08 < BartJol> ?
01:08 <+MrHairgrease> doe you also have sharks
01:08 < BartJol> no
01:08 <+MrHairgrease> with laaaasers
01:09 < SynQ> and a "death star"?
01:09 < lisette> for one postId there is one storageId?
01:09 < lisette> or there are many?
01:09 < BartJol> but now I need a smoke... on the beattifull balcony
01:09 <+MrHairgrease> with a view on the Essen Haus
01:09 < SynQ> light the barbequeue
01:10 < BartJol> indeed
01:10 < SynQ> hmm, the Essen Haus (don't mention...)
01:10 <+MrHairgrease> where are the eggs?
01:10 < SynQ> I heared that pregnant women can hold much more than non pregnant women
01:11 < perlDreamer> lisette: one storageId per postId
01:12 <@preaction> SynQ, we should test that theory. i'll go get a chick pregnant
01:12 <@preaction> wait... hold more what?
01:12 <+MrHairgrease> doug
01:12 <+MrHairgrease> do 
01:12 <+MrHairgrease> not
01:12 <+MrHairgrease> ask
01:12 <+MrHairgrease> !
01:12 <+MrHairgrease> !
01:12 <+MrHairgrease> !
01:16 < BartJol> I second MrHairgrease mpotion
01:16 < BartJol> darn, after getting up at 6 and 8 hours in a plane, my typing skills really suck
01:16 <+MrHairgrease> preaction, if you really wanna know I suggest you ask koen in person
01:16 <+MrHairgrease> preferably while having diner
01:17 <@preaction> k. so we'll get a large group together and koen and I will have gross-out contest
01:17 <@preaction> whoever eats the most wins?
01:17 <@preaction> ... why do i come up with these ideas?
01:18 < SynQ> preaction: you do that
01:18 < SynQ> more eggs and more children
01:18 <+MrHairgrease> it helps if you eat some egg
01:19 < SynQ> oeh
01:19 < SynQ> preaction: gross-out is not the same as a eating contest
01:19 < SynQ> but we definately need rory there
01:19 < SynQ> he is really visualising everything
01:20 < SynQ> in his head
01:20 <+MrHairgrease> yeah!
01:20 <+MrHairgrease> does rory know the story already?
01:20 < SynQ> preaction: I think it's habashi time soon
01:20 <@preaction> yes, indeed
01:22 <+MrHairgrease> what is habashi?
01:22 < SynQ> it's really nice
01:22 < perlDreamer> a small, porcelain BBQ
01:22 < perlDreamer> very tasty
01:23 < SynQ> ok
01:23 < SynQ> I'm going to dream about the eggs now
01:23 < SynQ> Tessa is calling me allready
01:23 < BartJol> good luck
01:23 < perlDreamer> she wants some pickles
01:23 < SynQ> with her nice belly that is getting round and round
01:23 < perlDreamer> with mustard, ice cream, peanut butter and Maggi on it
01:23 < SynQ> hmm
01:24 < SynQ> if you say it like that
01:24 < SynQ> I almost start craving for it myself
01:24 < SynQ> but enough now
01:24 < SynQ> nite nite
01:24 <+MrHairgrease> later!
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02:19 < lisette> how get the parameter in an utility?
02:19 < perlDreamer> command-line parameters?
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02:26 < lisette> in the script
02:27 < lisette> i want send the assetId
02:27 < lisette> how to send and get
02:27 < perlDreamer> lisette, you would set it up as a command line parameter
02:28 < perlDreamer> You can see examples on how to use perl's command line parameter module in sbin/testCodebase.pl
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03:09 < CIA-6> WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7215 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): WSClient replaced if test with eval and fixed bug where it was not handling simple arrays.
03:09 < CIA-6> WebGUI: doug * r7216 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed: Gallery now gives an error message when a Zip archive is being naughty
03:09 < CIA-6> WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7217 /tools/fixTransactionItemsPost7.5.10.pl: added script that will correct transactionItems from before 7.5.11 as long as an oldtransaction and oldtransactionitem table are availble from before 7.5.11 (from backups)
03:09 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r7218 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Instance.pm: prevent WebGUI from contacting Spectre needlessly for realtime workflows
03:09 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r7219 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Session/Style.pm: don't remove the included js and css lists after generating headers, prevents later code from generating them again
03:09 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r7220 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.5.20/webgui7_style3_hierarchical-top-nav.wgpkg: fix top nav after indent change
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03:19 <@perlmonkey2> If anyone's awake, does the Commerce gatewayId map to Shop paymentDriverId and gateway map to paymentDriverLabel?
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06:04 <@rizen> perlmonkey2 yes
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07:33 <@perlmonkey2> rizen: 9 of the 7.5.10 transaction rows have gatewayId's too long to fit into the 7.5.11 table.  But they are all cash.  Do you care if those get truncated?
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07:59 < CIA-6> WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7221 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.10-7.5.11.pl: Added paymentDriverId and paymentDriverLabel to the upgrade script for the new transaction table.
07:59 < CIA-6> WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7222 /tools/fixTransactionItemsPost7.5.10.pl: Upgrade script now also include paymentDriver information
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17:11 < SDuensin> Greetings.
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17:21 < SynQ> greetinx indeed
17:22 <@perlmonkey2> hola
17:27 <@Haarg> pm2: regarding that postback bug and the script you made
17:27 <@Haarg> has the upgrade script already been fixed to deal with the problem?
17:37 < CIA-6> WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7223 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.10-7.5.11.pl: gatewayId and gateway dont directly translate to the paymentDriver info apparently.
17:45 <@perlmonkey2> Haarg: hold up
17:45 <@perlmonkey2> no
17:45 <@perlmonkey2> MrHairgrease: made some info available after late last night that changes things
17:46 <@perlmonkey2> I'm trying to work out what goes where and does what.  The upgrade script and the correction script will be need to be changed.
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17:51 <+MrHairgrease> perlmonkey2: since in old systems only one ITransact and one Cash plugin can exist, you could probably mark transaction in convertTransactionLog() by putting the oldtrannie->{gateway} field in paymentDriverId
17:52 <+MrHairgrease> Then in migratePaymentPlugins() you can substitute those fields with the correct Id's
17:52 <+MrHairgrease> as before migratePaymentPlugins() those Id's aren't known yet
17:53 <@perlmonkey2> MrHairgrease: I had oldtrannie->{gatewayId} as the paymentDrvierId and you said that was wrong?
17:53 <+MrHairgrease> it is
17:53 <+MrHairgrease> but until you know the correct payment driver id's
17:53 <+MrHairgrease> (which you only know after they've been converted)
17:53 <+MrHairgrease> you cannot put the correct value in yet
17:53 <+MrHairgrease> So you have to mark them
17:54 <@perlmonkey2> so after converTransaction we need another method to go back through and correct them?
17:54 <+MrHairgrease> yeah
17:54 <@perlmonkey2> from a lookup table?  
17:54 <+MrHairgrease> you could prolly do that in migratePaymentPlugins()
17:55 <+MrHairgrease> since there the link between the old namespace and the new paydriver id is made
17:55 <+MrHairgrease> in the old system pyament plugins didn't have an id
17:55 <@perlmonkey2> look up the label against the paymentGateway
17:55 <+MrHairgrease> more like
17:55 <@perlmonkey2> I see that is why you said the gateway instead of the gatewayId
17:55 <+MrHairgrease> update transactionLog set paydriverId = GUID where paydriverId = NAMESPACE
17:56 <+MrHairgrease> gateway => namespace
17:56 <+MrHairgrease> gatewayId => trannsactionCode
17:56 <+MrHairgrease> for ITransact gatewayId held the XID
17:56 <+MrHairgrease> which is the id ITransact assigns to the transaction
17:56 <+MrHairgrease> it it clear now =)
17:57 <@perlmonkey2> MrHairgrease: groovy, thanks :)
17:57 <+MrHairgrease> np
17:58 <+MrHairgrease> I can imagine it confusing
17:58 <+MrHairgrease> that why I wanted the paydriverId called payDriverId in stead of paymentGatewayId =)
17:58 <+MrHairgrease> anyway
17:58 <+MrHairgrease> if you need help
17:58 <+MrHairgrease> let me know
18:00 <@perlmonkey2> okay, will do, thansk
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18:49 < lisette> i have an utility an i try to pass the parameters, but don't work, ayone knows how to do this?
18:50 <+MrHairgrease> check out the existing utilty scripts
18:50 <+MrHairgrease> they have plenty of params
18:50 < lisette> i see the sbin/testCodeBase.pl
18:50 < lisette> i do like this, but don't work
18:50 <+MrHairgrease> dunno that one, but it probably has params
18:51 <+MrHairgrease> otherwise check out fileImport.pl
18:51 <+MrHairgrease> and be sure to read the docs for Getopt::Long
18:52 <+MrHairgrease> which is the module that is being used to get params in
18:54 < lisette> http://webgui.pastebin.com/d23ad7b24
18:54 <@perlmonkey2> MrHairgrease: oh, forget to double check on this.  But the paymentGatewayLabel in transaction is just the label from paymentGateway, right?
18:54 <+MrHairgrease> yeah
18:54 <@perlmonkey2> cool, thanks
18:54 <+MrHairgrease> it should be whatever people have named it
18:54 <+MrHairgrease> in the admin console commerce section
18:55 <@preaction> lisette, in line 55 of your paste, you've specified that "assetId" should be a boolean flag, not a string. notice how configFile is done right below it? the =s means "required string"
18:55 <@preaction> see perldoc Getopt::Long for more info on those
18:55 < lisette> mmm ok, thanks
18:57 < lisette> i chaged, but the same
18:57 < lisette> shows me the next:
18:57 < lisette> Usage:
18:57 < lisette>      utility --configFile config.conf ...
18:57 < lisette>      utility --help
18:57 <@preaction> are you specifying a config file? is there any other error happening?
18:59 < lisette> i call like this:
18:59 < lisette> perl prueba.pl --assetId htj4DMBON_RW-6A52qYUhA --configFile www.pruebas.com.conf
19:00 <+MrHairgrease> try perl prueba.pl --assetId=htj4DMBON_RW-6A52qYUhA --configFile=www.pruebas.com.conf
19:01 < lisette> nothisg
19:01 < lisette> nothing
19:01 < lisette> the same
19:02 <@preaction> pastebin your code again?
19:02 < lisette> ok
19:02 <+MrHairgrease> oh i see it
19:02 <+MrHairgrease> you call my $session = start(); after the pod2usage stuff
19:04 <+MrHairgrease> move it above these two statements
19:04 < lisette> http://webgui.pastebin.com/d5e04b3aa
19:06 < lisette> thanks
19:06 < lisette> now right
19:07 < lisette> thanks MrHairgrease and preaction
19:10 <@perlmonkey2> okay, the fixTransactionPost7.5.10 is updated and should work given a pre 7.5.11 backup of the two transaction tables.  
19:11 <+MrHairgrease> nice
19:12 <+MrHairgrease> a good demonstration of why taking a beta in production can be a bad idea =)
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19:16 <@perlmonkey2> with good backups no harm done :P
19:21 <+MrHairgrease> oh I could do some harm with good backups =)
19:27 < CIA-6> WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7224 /tools/fixTransactionItemsPost7.5.10.pl: fixTransactionItemsPost7.5.10.pl now correctly set the paymentDriverId, paymentDriverLabel, and transactionCode. The transactionItems should also be correctly recreated.
19:30 <@perlmonkey2> I guess I should put in the gotchas that any transactionId's in the new table that match transactionId's in the backup table will be deleted from the transactionItem table.  But I'm pretty sure that will never be an issue.
19:31 <@perlmonkey2> delete from transactionItem where transactionId in (select transactionId from oldtransaction)
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20:37 < CIA-6> WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7225 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Upgrade 7.5.10-7.5.11 upgrades transaction payment gateway info.
20:56 <@perlmonkey2> Anyone have a hypothesis on how it would be possible to view a syndicated content wobject and get the current items.  Then view the wobject later and get a cached view that does not show current items?  
20:57 < dionak> i think there is an activity that fetches the feed.
20:57 <@preaction> there's a "Update Syndicated Content" workflow activity that gets run every once in a while. there's also an activity that prunes the cache that gets run nightly
20:57 <@preaction> so, maybe the cache pruning is removing the newer cache entries but not the older cache entries?
20:59 <@perlmonkey2> preaction: I knew about the first, but not about the pruning.  I wouldn't bet my life on that being the problem, but I'd bet the life of a stranger on it :P
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21:10 < perlDreamer> rizen: I'm confused again
21:10 <@rizen> do you hang out in or around fusion reactors containing corn or something?
21:11 <@rizen> how does one exactly become corn-fused?
21:11 < perlDreamer> Have you seen the movie "The Fly" ? :)
21:11 < perlDreamer> in the past, we've never had issues with adding db fields to assets
21:11 < perlDreamer> it just became a stopping point where people have to upgrade
21:12 < perlDreamer> so, for the isShippingRequired field in the Product, is there a new way of handling things?
21:13 <@rizen> there have been problems with it in the past as well
21:13 <@rizen> the problem is that in this case, the upgrade is creating product assets
21:13 <@rizen> if it were just updating them there likely wouldn't be a problem unless that specific field were specified
21:14 <@rizen> but during creation, the default will be used, and therefore the field will be set
21:14 < perlDreamer> should I copy the add db field to all previous upgrade scripts, or is there a better way of handling it?
21:14 <@rizen> *all* previous?
21:15 < perlDreamer> back to 7.5.10-7.5.11
21:15 <@rizen> no...just the ones that need the field
21:15 <@rizen> don't forget about 7.4.40-7.5.16
21:15 < perlDreamer> okay, so, to any upgrade script that touches Product
21:15 < CIA-6> WebGUI: doug * r7226 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: Form CheckList Select All button now functions correctly
21:15 <@rizen> but also don't forget to put a check in the later script
21:16 < perlDreamer> sure
21:16 <@rizen> that detects if the field has already been added
21:27 < perlDreamer> heh, just what you need, another conference: http://barcampmilwaukee.com/
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21:57 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: I think I solved the PB front page syndicated content problem.  And there doesn't appear to be a bug.  If all the feeds add up to over the max cache size, then eventually there will be a point in some of the hours of the day when the latest feeds are the oldest in the cache and pruned.
21:58 <@perlmonkey2> There are 6 feeds in the front page SC wobject, so this makes sense.
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22:13 <@preaction> perlmonkey2, but then what happens? the Syndicated Content asset pulls new versions of the feed? why do old entries show up then?
22:20 <@perlmonkey2> There are 6 feeds.  Maybe the old entries are really just the latest from one of those feeds.
22:20 <@preaction> but that would mean it isn't grabbing the latest ones from one of the other feeds
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22:20 <@perlmonkey2> or that they were deleted from the cache as too old.
22:21 <@perlmonkey2> to bring the cache under the max size
22:22 <@perlmonkey2> the entire cache is rebuilt every hour.  When the cache gets to large, it starts reducing by 30 minute intervals.
22:23 < lisette> i want a query with all post in a CS
22:23 < lisette> how to do?
22:23 <@preaction> lisette, $collab->getLineage( ['descendants'] );
22:24 < lisette> how to create $collab?
22:24 < lisette> i have the assetId of CS
22:25 < lisette> i can't do this by the DB?
22:26 <@preaction> my $collab = WebGUI::Asset->newByDynamicClass( $session, $assetId );
22:26 <@preaction> but if you don't understand, you should really figure out what's happening with those
22:30 < lisette> what means descendanst? which options is this?
22:31 <@preaction> descendant is any asset underneath the collab in the lineage
22:31 <@preaction> the only assets underneath the collab are the Threads and Posts in the collab
22:31 < lisette> what returns me?
22:31 < lisette> an array
22:31 <@preaction> an array reference of asset IDs
22:31 < lisette> an hash>
22:31 <@preaction> read the docs
22:31 < lisette> ok, thanks
22:31 < lisette> i don found
22:32 < lisette> dont
22:32 <@preaction> lib/WebGUI/AssetLineage.pm
22:32 < lisette> thanks
22:35 <@perlmonkey2> preaction: one thing that doesn't add up is that all the feeds should expire at the same time.  PB's the expiration time set at 1 hour.  Which is the same time the cache should be workflow regenerated anyways.  So if the cache grows too large and starts deleted feed cache's in 30 minutes intervals, every feed should have the same time and thus they should all be deleted together.
22:36 <@preaction> the update syndicated feeds workflow, doesnt it have a provision to only run for 60 seconds at a time?
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22:38 <@perlmonkey2> I'll check, but that would mean it would only update what it could get done in 60 seconds.
22:38 <@perlmonkey2> which might not be all of it.
22:38 <@preaction> right
22:41 <@perlmonkey2> which must be the case cause I'm looking at the RSS cache and the expires times are differing wildly.
22:48 <@perlmonkey2> It just isn't credible that those 6 feeds are taking over 55 seconds to return.  I just hit each rss feed and they were 1 second at most.
22:48 <@preaction> we're also talking every syndicated feed on plainblack.com, not just those 6
22:49 <@perlmonkey2> oh
22:49 <@perlmonkey2> not sure how to prove it, but I'm buying it.
22:49 <@perlmonkey2> good enough for you?
22:50 <@preaction> it's the only thing i can really think of
22:50 <@preaction> and i can't really think of any way to test it really
22:51 <@perlmonkey2> I don't think remove is ever being called on the cache though.  sizeLimit defaults to 100MB.
22:51 <@perlmonkey2> But 55 seconds to grab every rss feed going into PB seems like the culprit.
22:52 <@preaction> but it only happens at night, remember
22:52 <@preaction> probably around the time the Daily Maintenance Tasks is being run
22:52 <@perlmonkey2> I can't view the pb conf, but I'm guessing the that hasn't been reduced 
22:55 <@perlmonkey2> delete temp files over 24 hours old
23:09 <@perlmonkey2> The current rss cache is all from the 12th but it expires from 00::36 to 15:15 and everywhere in between.
23:09 <@perlmonkey2> So I guess that proves the point.
23:12 <@perlmonkey2> Haarg: just had another email response to the bug CS show up in email, but not show up in the blog.
23:13 <@perlmonkey2> I mean, not show up in the CS.
23:13 <@preaction> so the cache gets cleared, parts of it get updated, but until it's all updated it only shows what it has so far
23:13 <@Haarg> which bug?
23:13 <@perlmonkey2> Haarg: cs mail not showing up.  Vrby just deleted one, but JT's is still open.
23:13 <@perlmonkey2> preaction: That's what I'm guessing.
23:13 <@Haarg> they are completely different bugs
23:14 <@perlmonkey2> Haarg: oh, okay.
23:14 <@Haarg> which bug had a post show up though?
23:14 <@Haarg> not show up rather
23:15 <@perlmonkey2> Haarg: well, the syndicated content not showing up bug, just had Kristi email respond to it.  I got the email, but don't see it in the CS.  Which goes along with this: http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/cs-mail-showed-up-empty#hxUU5ww-37xe8LYzL2mGYQ
23:17 <@Haarg> did you delete a post in the syndicated content thread?
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23:19 <@perlmonkey2> Haarg: yes, I deleted my post closing it.
23:19 <@perlmonkey2> It closed it for the wrong reason.  I updated the reason and reclosed it.
23:19 <@Haarg> she responded to your post
23:19 <@preaction> you deleted her response
23:19 <@perlmonkey2> oh
23:19 <@Haarg> so her post is a child of yours
23:20 <@perlmonkey2> whew
23:20 <@perlmonkey2> I wonder if that is JT's bug also?
23:20 <@Haarg> actually, in this case i think you deleted it ahead of time
23:20 <@Haarg> no
23:20 <@perlmonkey2> no, I've seen his message in the DB.
23:20 <@Haarg> yeah, it's because of how we pick out the parts of the messages
23:21 <@Haarg> i know the problem, it's just annoying to fix because of how it's split between the mail::get and workflow::getcsmail modules
23:27 <@perlmonkey2> 8 bugs left.  4 are PB only (1 of which will be fixed tonight, 1 simply needs someone with authority to move an asset to another location, 1 needs the PB DB updated, 1 is called by a dev).  1 is waiting on Safari 4.   2 more are called by other devs.  Which leaves only 1 left for me to work on.  Luckily it is the oldest one that no one has wanted to touch in over half a year.  This is going to be fun.
23:27 < dionak> lol, sounds like barrels of fun. 
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23:28 <@perlmonkey2> dionak: It might actually be fun.  Need to write a test that just keeps running through a CS and sorting it, then checking the sort order, then when it is off, dump every possible param concerning the CS.
23:30 < dionak> you're certain to learn a bit about the CS system. cool.
23:30 < dionak> has anyone else seen an apache segfault with the cart? i'm seeing it on two systems now. 
23:31 < dionak> random
23:31 <@preaction> dionak, yes. have you updated to the latest 7.5?
23:31 < dionak> yes
23:31 < dionak> b/c i need the most recent changes..
23:32 <@preaction> er... there was a segfault problem that was fixed
23:32 <@preaction> i believe perlDreamer fixed it
23:32 <@preaction> so... i dunno
23:32 < dionak> ok, thanks so much. i'll ask him when i see him if i don't get it resolved. 
23:34 < perlDreamer> perlDreamer did fix it
23:34 < perlDreamer> had to do with bad asset and object caching
23:35 < dionak> so i might have a bad or invalid asset that is cached? guessing...
23:35 < perlDreamer> if you're running today's SVN, all the caching code was removed
23:36 < dionak> i am locally
23:37 < dionak> i'll restart and see if it occurs again. on another box where i'm seeing it, we're running 7.5.19
23:37 < dionak> which is probably before you fixed it
23:38 < perlDreamer> it was r7040
23:38 < perlDreamer> 21 July 2008
23:44 < dionak> i see. our code was dated. thanks. 
23:55 < perlDreamer> well, please tell the code that it must be back by 10:30 pm, and that it should not go out alone, but only with other code.
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00:01 < dionak> :)
00:07 < dionak> i have a suggestion for the cart template but i don't know the process for updating templates in core. it shows a message that you don't currently have anything in your cart, as opposed to an empty form, when the cart is empty. http://webgui.pastebin.com/dd2180e5
00:09 < perlDreamer> core templates have to be i18n'ed
00:09 < perlDreamer> so the message would need to have an International macro call
00:09 < dionak> ok, makes sense why these don't currently exist in templates then. 
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00:10 < perlDreamer> as far as acceptance into the core goes, it would probably need to be posted as an RFE or bug first.
00:10 < dionak> k
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01:26 < perlDreamer> perlmonkey2: You don't know how many times I've closed the Add to Cart broken bug.
01:26 < perlDreamer> For a while, it was appended with new bugs as they were found
01:27 <@perlmonkey2> nice
01:27 <@tavisto> oh did you close that? I gotta go reopen it then :)
01:27 <@perlmonkey2> But now it just needs to have the asset moved out of the root node, right?
01:27 <@perlmonkey2> hah
01:28 <@tavisto> is the issue where it shows a failsafe style resolved?
01:28 < perlDreamer> perlmonkey2, I believe that, and some template changes, are all that is needed
01:28 <@perlmonkey2> groovy
01:28 <@tavisto> that's a real easy fix if not.. atleast as far as I know
01:28 < perlDreamer> Just make some Shelf with a default style template, and then copy and paste all the products below it from where they are now.
01:30 < perlDreamer> In MySQL, can you query a table to see if a column exists, and add it if doesn't?
01:31 < perlDreamer> or does that take several statements
01:31 < perlDreamer> I'm thinking something like: alter table myTable add column myColumn blah blah blah unless exists myColumn.
01:32 < perlDreamer> I know you can do that with tables
01:34 <@perlmonkey2> if you can do it with tables, why not columns
01:34 <@perlmonkey2> I'd test it here, but my wre exploded and I'm trying to get a fresh version working.
01:36 <@preaction> perlDreamer, perhaps ALTER TABLE IGNORE?
01:36 <@preaction> just like INSERT IGNORE (which doesn't error if the ID already exists)
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02:02 < CIA-6> WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7227 /WebGUI/sbin/testEnvironment.pl: Requires user input to install new modules.
02:02 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r7228 /WebGUI/t/Asset/File/GalleryFile/Photo/view.t: Update the Photo view.t test to account for pagination.
02:34 < perlDreamer> nope
02:34 < perlDreamer> no ignore
02:36 < CIA-6> WebGUI: doug * r7229 /WebGUI/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: Gallery slideshow JS now has better control over buttons
02:36 < perlDreamer> apparently perl's idea of laziness hasn't reached MySQL
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04:05 < CIA-6> WebGUI: doug * r7230 /branch/doug-experimental/ (5 files in 5 dirs): more work on Asset Report asset
04:05 < CIA-6> WebGUI: doug * r7231 /branch/doug-experimental/www/extras/yui-webgui/build/ (asset/assetReport.js form/swaplist/swaplist.js): forgot some js
04:05 < CIA-6> WebGUI: doug * r7232 /branch/doug-experimental/lib/WebGUI/Form/ (BooleanQuery.pm SqlWhere.pm): more cleanup for a merge
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04:40 < CIA-6> WebGUI: doug * r7233 /branch/doug-experimental: I... Dislike... SVN's merge capability
04:40 < CIA-6> WebGUI: doug * r7234 /branch/doug-experimental: Re-adding my experimental branch
04:40 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r7235 /WebGUI/docs/ (11 files in 2 dirs): 
04:40 < CIA-6> WebGUI: Put product update code in each upgrade script so they
04:40 < CIA-6> WebGUI: don't fail.
05:12 < CIA-6> WebGUI: doug * r7236 /branch/doug-experimental: initialize svnmerge.py
05:12 < CIA-6> WebGUI: doug * r7237 /branch/doug-experimental/ (21 files in 12 dirs): added all my code back
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06:15 <@perlmonkey2> hey Haarg, I'm going to get started
06:16 <@perlmonkey2> Haarg: I don't have permissions to run the backup.  
06:16 <@perlmonkey2> which means I won't have permissions to run the fixtransactions script
06:26 <@preaction> perlmonkey2, you can't sudo su -?
06:26 <@perlmonkey2> same pwd?
06:26 <@preaction> yes, it's sudo
06:26 <@preaction> well, yes
06:27 <@perlmonkey2> doh, never occurred to me that I also had root pwd :P
06:28 <@perlmonkey2> I've never ran the wre backup, where does it put it?
06:29 <@preaction> in /backup
06:41 <+Radix-wrk> Anyone got any pointers for doing custom form processing in webgui?  I want a special webgui data form that goes and creates a fax based on the input.
06:46 <+Radix-wrk> I'm still not sure whether to do it that way or simply use it as an email form and do the processing from the email - but I figure if I do it in webgui as a custom script or something then I'd have more control over the field data.
06:59 <@perlmonkey2> hmm, the backup is still going.  I'll just do the update around 7 in the morning.  Unless someone is working on the website, this backup should be good for then, and the only tables it effects, I'll have table level backups anyways.
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07:01 < elnino> hi. TOTALLY unrealated, I think preaction was using vmbox from sun?
07:02 < elnino> Do I want to istall GRUM boot loader on the harddisk (debian is being installed ona VM machine)
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07:09 <+perlDreamer> elnino!  Haven't seen you in a while.
07:10 < elnino> howdy.
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07:10 < elnino> perlDreamer: I'm so sorry, that I get many of you mixed up.  Was it you that suggested vmbox from sun?
07:11 <+perlDreamer> yes
07:11 <+perlDreamer> virtualbox
07:11 <+perlDreamer> Haarg recommended it to me
07:11 < elnino> right. Pretty slick.
07:11 <+perlDreamer> and it's free, which is a good price
07:12 < elnino> I recommeded it to my network guy and he likes it too. Much better the Microsoft he says. 
07:12 <+perlDreamer> cool
07:12 < elnino> what isn't? =)
07:12 < elnino> so I'm int the midddle of installing debian right now.
07:12 <+perlDreamer> the fact that we're stuck using it
07:12 <+perlDreamer> well, you're in luck
07:12 <+perlDreamer> there are some prototype debian packages for WebGUI out
07:12 < elnino> do I want to install the GRUM boot loader? does it know that this isn't for "real"?
07:13 < elnino> oh. Cool! like, wre package?
07:13 <+perlDreamer> No, it's completely virtual.  It won't interfere with your regular boot loader
07:13 < elnino> packages?
07:13 <+perlDreamer> yes
07:13 < elnino> ok. That always makes me nervous.
07:13 <+perlDreamer> where's SquOnk when you need him?
07:14 < elnino> who's squonk? - that's hard to type.
07:15 <+perlDreamer> he's the fellow who is maintaining the debian packages for WebGUI
07:15 < elnino> ah.
07:15 <+perlDreamer> they're supposed to go into the next version of debian, into the core
07:15 < elnino> oh. very nice.
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07:37 < elnino> perlDreamer readyy for a really dumb unrelated webgui question?
07:37 <+perlDreamer> sure
07:37 <+perlDreamer> bring it on
07:38 < elnino> how doyou extract a zip file on linux? I'm trying gunzip and it's not working. I tried a -d too. and I thought tar worked with zip files, but that didn't work either.
07:38 <+perlDreamer> unzip
07:38 <+perlDreamer> not gunzip
07:38 <+perlDreamer> gunzip is for gzip'ed files
07:38 < elnino> ok.. I don't have that. 
07:38 < elnino> oh.  ok.
07:39 < elnino> =) thanks!
07:39 <+perlDreamer> apt-get zip ?
07:39 < elnino> yep.
07:39 < elnino> Thank you... it worked.
07:40 <+perlDreamer> excellent
07:40 <+perlDreamer> unless you're unzip'ing confidential data and I just helped compromise the nation's security
07:41 < elnino> of course.
07:42 < elnino> so it there a way to retrieve mysql's root username/password? or can I creaet a db using webgui's user? - but that would be bad if I could.
07:43 <+perlDreamer> by default, the root user should have access to MySQL for doing that
07:43 <+perlDreamer> become root, and then call the mysql command line client
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07:44 < elnino_laptop> perlDreamer, sorry, can you repeat that?
07:44 <+perlDreamer> elnino_laptop: su - root; mysql
07:45 <+perlDreamer> that should give you access for creating db's and users
07:46 < elnino_laptop> really?  that's scary. ok.. I'll try that.  I was getting ready to do this: http://www.mydigitallife.info/2006/06/06/change-and-reset-mysql-root-password/
07:46 < elnino_laptop> he he.  says same thing.  =)
07:47 < elnino_laptop> I'm going to go now before I totally lose face.
07:48 <+perlDreamer> just don't give away your root password
07:48 <+perlDreamer> or, create a separate password for root inside mysql
07:52 < elnino_laptop> ok. mysql doesn't work, it says: access denied for user root@localhost. Am I having brain farts/
07:52 < elnino_laptop> ?
07:52 < elnino_laptop> this was installed using wre, I still use the normal mysql commands right?
07:55 <+perlDreamer> is the mysql service running?
07:59 < elnino_laptop> yes. I think the guy set the password in the db for root.
08:00 < elnino_laptop> - the guy before me.
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15:39 <@perlmonkey2> is there a reason I shouldn't bring pb's /tool's svn update to date/
15:53 <@Haarg> not that i'm aware of
15:55 <@perlmonkey2> Haarg: the ssh for the default user didn't have the svn server as an accepted ssh key.  So I'm grabbing it locally in a temp subfolder validating and copying it into tools.
15:56 <@perlmonkey2> Do you usually work so late and start so early?
15:56 <@Haarg> no, i just woke up a bit early this morning.  not working yet.
15:57 <@Haarg> and i wasn't working lat night either
15:57 <@Haarg> *last
15:58 <@perlmonkey2> Haarg: okay, I know this is being paifully annoying, but this is the one part of the script where things could go wrong.  Just want to sanity check it one more time before I run it on produciton.   delete from transactionItem where transactionId in (select transactionId from oldtransaction)
15:59 <@Haarg> as long as you are rebuilding that, sounds fine
15:59 <@perlmonkey2> just blowing away all the old pre7.5.11 transactionItems since they are all about ot be rebuilt
15:59 <@perlmonkey2> groovy
16:03 <@perlmonkey2> okay, it looks good.
16:04 <+MrHairgrease> perlmonkey2
16:04 <@perlmonkey2> hello MrHairgrease
16:04 <+MrHairgrease> just a question, shouldn't you also do delete from transaction where transactionId in (select transactionId from oldtransaction)
16:04 <+MrHairgrease> s/transaction/transactionLog
16:04 <+MrHairgrease> /
16:07 <@perlmonkey2> That is little t transactionLog?
16:07 <@perlmonkey2> I'm not seeing that table
16:07 <+MrHairgrease> oh
16:07 <+MrHairgrease> I'm not sure what it's called
16:07 <+MrHairgrease> cpuld also be transaction
16:07 <+MrHairgrease> anyway the table that stores transctions
16:08 <+MrHairgrease> if you remove all the wrongfully migrated transactionItems, I guess you should also remove the transactions they belong to.
16:12 <@perlmonkey2> why?  I'm rebuilding their transactionItems?
16:13 <+MrHairgrease> but how can that restore the correct paymentDriverId and transactionCode fields?
16:13 <+MrHairgrease> those are transaction properties
16:13 <+MrHairgrease> not properties of the items in a transaction
16:13 <@perlmonkey2> $db->setRow("transaction","transactionId",{
16:13 <@perlmonkey2>             paymentDriverId             => $paymentDriverId,
16:13 <@perlmonkey2>             paymentDriverLabel          => $oldTranny->{gateway},
16:13 <@perlmonkey2>             transactionCode             => $oldTranny->{gatewayId},
16:13 <@perlmonkey2>         }, $oldTranny->{transactionId});
16:13 <@perlmonkey2> we have a backup table we are pulling that info from.
16:14 <+MrHairgrease> ok
16:14 <+MrHairgrease> never mind then =)
16:14 <@perlmonkey2> the $paymentDriverId is the okay gateway namespace keyed against the paymentDriver table to get the correct ID.
16:15 <+MrHairgrease> I thought you were to rebuild the transactions too
16:15 <@perlmonkey2> My question is, why did all the ordernumber's change?  Did that sestRow I called recreated those rows.  I was pretty sure it woudl just update them.
16:16 <+MrHairgrease> dunno
16:17 <@perlmonkey2> oh no, it does a replace into 
16:18 <@perlmonkey2> Haarg: I've screwed things up.  Unless it doesn't matter which orderNumber they have, this needs to be rolled back.
16:19 <@Haarg> i don't really know what the orderNumber is
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16:22 < SDuensin> Greetings.
16:23 <@perlmonkey2> hello
16:23 <+MrHairgrease> greasings!
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18:09 <@perlmonkey2> arg, I'm about to boot this mac into gnoppix and overwrite the root pwd.  Any idea what jt woudl set the root pwd on a lappy he's shipped?
18:10 <@preaction> perlmonkey2, uh.. whatever you want?
18:11 <@Haarg> can't you just sudo?
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18:11 <@perlmonkey2> yes. I guess I cna
18:12 <@preaction> oh, wait, you mean the OS X root password?
18:12 <@preaction> i ... don't think there is one, i don't remember getting asked for one during my re-installs
18:13 <@perlmonkey2> looks like I need to set up a root user in Directory utility
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18:26 <@perlmonkey2> preaction: In the safari 4 bug (attachments messing up in safari), can you reporduce it now?  I'm not seeing it in 3.04
18:26 <@Haarg> i've seen it a number of times, but can't reproduce it reliably
18:26 <@preaction> i tried the latest webkit back when i tested, but i'll verify
18:27 <@perlmonkey2> nm, Haarg is right, it's intermittent 
18:27 <@preaction> my safari is 3.1.2 and i saw it, so yeah
18:28 <@perlmonkey2> okay, thanks
18:28 <@perlmonkey2> jt said the fix was not to load the js inline.  Was that the fix you used that broke ie6?
18:28 <@Haarg> not load which js inline?
18:29 <@perlmonkey2>  right now the file form control inlines all of the field type icons into the page
18:30 <@perlmonkey2> he said they shouldn't be loaded inline
18:30 < CIA-6> WebGUI: jt * r7238 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (i18n/English/Shop.pm Shop/Vendor.pm): exposed payment info and payment type to vendor
18:30 < CIA-6> WebGUI: jt * r7239 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Shop/Vendor.pm: added the newByUserId constructor
18:31 <@Haarg> yeah, it could probably be converted to a formhelper
18:32 <@Haarg> i took another look at the cs sorting issue
18:32 <@Haarg> it's simpler than i though
18:33 <@perlmonkey2> really?
18:33 <@Haarg> when i last looked at it, i thought i checked the db and verified that creationDate was different from revisionDate
18:33 <@perlmonkey2> because that one kind of frightened me, with it being open 6 months and all.
18:33 <@Haarg> but i'm not seeing that now
18:33 <@Haarg> i've been ignoring it because i thought i had no idea what was happenning
18:34 <@Haarg> so it just needs lastPostId and lastPostDate set to the thread itself when the thread is created
18:34 <@perlmonkey2> when the thread is created or when the post is created?
18:35 <@Haarg> thread
18:35 <@Haarg> replies work fine
18:35 <@perlmonkey2> oh that's right.  replies don't effect thread ordering unless you specify it.
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18:36  * perlmonkey2 is obviously the man for this bug, what, with his complete mastery of CS and all :P
18:36 <@Haarg> well, this is only a problem if you try to sort by last post
18:37 <@Haarg> in fact
18:38 <@Haarg> just removing the if isReply check on the incrementReplies call in Post->commit
18:38 <@Haarg> should fix it
18:38 <@Haarg> how rediculously simple for a 6 month old bug
18:40 <@perlmonkey2> hah
18:40 <@perlmonkey2> that's awesome
18:47 <@Haarg> that pb charset bug might be good to work on, i'm a bit busy and it shouldn't be difficult
18:48 <@perlmonkey2> yeah we have a backup from last night.  What do you think.  Just go through each table checking encoding, make a table dump of tables that need altering, and then just alter it?  I guess I'd better read up on this before going forward.
18:49 < perlDreamer> I'm around if you want to work on Add to Cart, as well
18:50 <@Haarg> should basically be using alter table set charset or whatever the syntax is
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18:51 <@perlmonkey2> right, but didn't know if mysql handling changing encodings gracefully or if I needed to write a script to do it.
18:51 <@perlmonkey2> Thanks perlDreamer: that will be on the list as soon as these last few are cleared
18:52 <@Haarg> it's a bit complex pm2
18:52 <@Haarg> mysql tries to handle it gracefully
18:52 <@Haarg> but it has to have valid data to begin with
18:52 <@Haarg> which i'm not certain if we have in this case
18:55 <@Haarg> see https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/view/WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.5-7.5.6.pl
18:55 <@Haarg> but for this case, we don't need to do that kind of thing
18:56 <@Haarg> just a simple alter table set character set or something should do
18:59 <@perlmonkey2> sorry phone.  Okay, I believe I can manage that ;)
19:01 < topsub> perlDreamer, did you ever find out if that alter table ignore worked?
19:02 < slickware> Hi all. Is there a way to limit specific users' views of the NewContent and AdminConsole bars?
19:02 < perlDreamer> alter table ignore did not work
19:02 < slickware> example: I want specific content managers to be able to add new pages and articles, but not collab systems
19:02 < perlDreamer> slickware, ui levels
19:03 < perlDreamer> read the default WebGUI.conf.orig file for info on how to set that up
19:03 < slickware> thx
19:03 < slickware> is that somewhere in the wiki? I don't ahve a fresh copy since i'm on the reseller host
19:04 < perlDreamer> slickware, it might be.  If not, it would be really appreciated if you make one.
19:04 < slickware> good call
19:04 < slickware> something I can do! :)
19:05 < perlDreamer> dude, if more people wrote wiki pages, I would have to pick different topics for the WUC
19:05 < perlDreamer> please wiki all you want!
19:06 < slickware> then seriously... I volunteer to write whatever the hell you need
19:06 < slickware> ALTHOUGH
19:06 < slickware> I still believe that having in-application documentation is a better idea, first
19:07 < slickware> as I mentioned here the other day, not everyone wants to send their users to plainblack's wiki to search for info when there is technically a help file IN webgui already
19:07 < perlDreamer> the rule for in-application documentation is that it's limited to hover help and template variables.
19:07 < slickware> no no
19:07 < perlDreamer> it saved us several MB per apache instance to pull it out, since it was part of the i18n system
19:07 < slickware> I mean in the "help" section of the admin module
19:08 < perlDreamer> yes, so do I :)
19:08 < slickware> ah
19:08 < perlDreamer> in the Add Ons section, under misc, you'll see that I use to publish "flattened" versions of the online help
19:08 < slickware> how about making a with-help without-help version?
19:08 < slickware> large download, small download
19:09 < slickware> I mean really, how big is WG
19:09 < perlDreamer> it was the apache memory size, not the download footprint that was the concern
19:09 < slickware> oh, oh
19:09 < slickware> hm.
19:09 < slickware> well, you know, the WIKI can't get TOO good or nobody would want to buy the books :)
19:10 < slickware> are UI levels discussed in one of them? I think I have them all.
19:10 < perlDreamer> I believe that is in the Admin's guide
19:10 < perlDreamer> if not, then post a bug about the books :)
19:11 < slickware> haha
19:11 <@perlmonkey2> Haarg: I'm trying to validate that the cs sorting is corrected.  Should editing an existing post update the thread lastPostDate/ID?
19:11 < slickware> I already listed all my book ideas... I don't think she wants to hear from me anymore on that subject!
19:12 <@Haarg> no, since that code only happens for new replies
19:12 <@perlmonkey2> okay, then for new and every type of reply, it updates Thread appropriately :)
19:15 < perlDreamer> WUC-5 bugs and counting
19:18 <@perlmonkey2> hmm, write a script to move pb db to utf8 or do it manually.  102 tables and columns set to utf8.
19:19 < perlDreamer> just use a foreach :)
19:20 < perlDreamer> also, you have to be careful about setting columns to utf8, since I think that wipes out the default settings
19:20 < perlDreamer> but Haarg knows more about that than I do
19:21 <@Haarg> yeah, you need to watch the defaults.  the same call that sets the character set also sets te default, so you have to specify that.
19:22 <@perlmonkey2> Haarg: which means I need to read in the current default.  I don't htink there is any WG code to do this, so I'll be parsing the create statements.
19:22 <@Haarg> yeah
19:23 <@Haarg> look at that upgrade script i linked
19:23 <@perlmonkey2> okay
19:23 <@Haarg> you don't need to do the tripple conversion that it has though
19:25 < perlDreamer> from what I saw yesterday, describe table column inside a $sth->hashRef works well for pulling data about column info
19:27 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: nice, that should make it easy.
19:29 <@perlmonkey2> hmm, desc doesn't show column encoding.
19:30 <@Haarg> actually, just taking what i have in the upgrade script and removing the first two push @stmts lines will probably work
19:32 <@perlmonkey2> Haarg: show full columns.  Wow, maybe I should look at your upgrade script.  It looks like it has everything I need if I just remove the first two push @stmts :P
19:33 <@perlmonkey2> it's almost as if you've already solved this problem and if I can just gather the brains it would require to cut and paste, this would be done.
19:33 <@Haarg> yeah, this is basically already solved
19:33 <@Haarg> the issue is that code was never run on pb.com
19:34 <@Haarg> and then some other code that messed with the charsets was
19:34 <@Haarg> so it's a but inconsistant
19:34 <@Haarg> *bit
19:34 <@perlmonkey2> should be easy to just pull out repairDBCharset, remove those two lines and let it rip.
19:50 < CIA-6> WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7240 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Post.pm): CS Thread sort on last post reply is now working correctly.
19:55 <@perlmonkey2> Haarg: unless there are no TEXT|VARCHAR columns with default values, it looks like I'll need to add teh capture and resettign of the defaults.
19:55 <@Haarg> hrm
19:55 <@Haarg> i thought i had added that
19:55 <@Haarg> oh
19:56 <@Haarg> https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/view/WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.4.40-7.5.16.pl
19:56 <@Haarg> same sub name
20:18 <@perlmonkey2> Haarg: want to look it over before I run it?
20:19  * perlDreamer whispers ...backups...
20:19 <@Haarg> sure
20:19 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: there is a fresh one from last night.
20:19 <@perlmonkey2> Haarg: its in ~plainblack/kaleb
20:19 <@perlmonkey2> fixPBDBCharSet.pl
20:20 <@Haarg> looks ok to me
20:21 <@perlmonkey2> okay, here goes nothing.
20:21  * perlmonkey2 really wish we had transactions :P
20:21 <@Haarg> do transactions work with table alterations?
20:21 <@Haarg> i haven't used them much
20:21 <@perlmonkey2> oh, probably not
20:23 < perlDreamer> I wonder why rizen decided to go with InnoDB, rather than Maria for wG 8?
20:25 <@perlmonkey2> hmm, just created an innodb table started a transaction, then checked the changed type and it was changed in the db without a commit.
20:27 <@perlmonkey2> hold your breath, it is running
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20:29 <@preaction> InnoDB is owned by Oracle now, but is that a problem?
20:29 < perlDreamer> It's been seen as a threat
20:29 < perlDreamer> when your competitor owns you, it doesn't always bode well
20:30 <@preaction> there's this "Falcon" engine that seems nice
20:30 <@perlmonkey2> I wouldn't touch it.
20:30 < perlDreamer> but you know me, I worry about too much stuff
20:30 <@preaction> Maria doesn't yet have transactions from what i'm reading
20:30 < perlDreamer> Not knowing enough javascript
20:30 < perlDreamer> Getting tackled for showing people their bad code
20:31 <@perlmonkey2> I used to be an Oracle DBA and from what I know of their culture, I wouldn't expect great things to continue with InnoDB.
20:32 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r7241 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Shop/Vendor.pm t/Shop/Vendor.t): 
20:32 < CIA-6> WebGUI: Update POD for Vendor.
20:32 < CIA-6> WebGUI: Add a basic Vendor test.
20:48 <@perlmonkey2> Ah, the script was terminated
20:48 <@perlmonkey2> before it finished.
20:48 <@perlmonkey2> I don't know by hwo.
20:48 < perlDreamer> tavisto did it
20:49 <@tavisto> yep I did
20:49 <@tavisto> *Cracks whip* take that you bastardly script!
20:50 <@perlmonkey2> or I was :P
20:52 <@perlmonkey2> hmm, system wide messages, I forgot how to do them.
20:52 <@preaction> wall
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20:55 < perlDreamer> am I going to get in trouble if I start posting new bugs?
20:56 <@perlmonkey2> yes
20:56 <@perlmonkey2> BIG trouble
20:56 < perlDreamer> BIG trouble?
20:56 < perlDreamer> are we talking stubbed toe = BIG?
20:56 <@preaction> perlDreamer, can you post new bugs? plainblack.com is unreachable for me
20:56 <@tavisto> son of ah
20:57 < perlDreamer> well, I was going to post a bug about that...
20:57 <@perlmonkey2> oh nice
20:57 <@perlmonkey2> so the kernel killed my script which left the tables locked
20:58  * perlmonkey2 doesn't want to play on production anymore 
20:58 <@Haarg> yeah, it can be rather not-fun
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21:23 <@tavisto> plainblack.com still unreachable for tavisto
21:24 < perlDreamer> well, next time you'll think twice before whipping perlmonkey2, won't you?
21:24 <@tavisto> wasn't me.. I'm always the good cop
21:25 < perlDreamer> (10:49:46) tavisto: *Cracks whip* take that you bastardly script!
21:26 <@tavisto> that wasn't me... someone hacked my IRC account and wrote that
21:26 <@tavisto> and besides.. it clearly shows the script is getting whipped and not the monkey. heh
21:31 < SDuensin> I know this is really off topic, but anyone here have experience with Amazon EC2 and S3?
21:32 < perlDreamer> SDuensin, the Donorware crew have done some work with wG and that.  They posted some data to the forums.
21:33  * SDuensin just doesn't grok keeping data safe with no persistent storage.
21:33 < SDuensin> Thanks, perlDreamer 
21:33 < SDuensin> Oh yea.  Except someone BROKE the forums!  :-P
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22:23 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r7242 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Shop/Vendor.pm t/Shop/Vendor.t): More Vendor POD and tests. new and created are both basically tested.
22:24 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: what was the bug you were going to post?
22:24 <@perlmonkey2> PB is back up so you can post it.
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22:27 < slickware> ugh... one more time, where in the asset manager are the configs for the tinyMCE editor?
22:28 <@preaction> slickware, do a search for assets of type "WebGUI::Asset::RichEdit"
22:29 < slickware> thank you
22:29 < slickware> couldn't remember what it was called
22:29 < slickware> frustrating
22:35 < topsub> i think i am using session->stow wrong.. I have a macro call on page 1 that sets a value.. on page 4 when i recall the macro i want to get something from the session->stow i set.. and its coming back null.  Am i using this wrong?
22:37 <@tavisto> hmm.. i dont think everything is quite working 100%
22:37 <@tavisto> im trying to search the plainblack.com/wuc wiki and it's giving me a "problem with request"
22:37 <@preaction> topsub, stow is only for a single request. scratch survives over requests
22:38 <@preaction> tavisto, okay
22:38 <@tavisto> should I call the ghostbusters or something?
22:39 < topsub> aww alright, thanks preaction
22:39 <@preaction> tavisto, i'll ask graham
22:44 < SynQ> tavisto, my brother in crime
22:44 < SynQ> i was thinking about renting a Ford Mustang to come to the wuc
22:44 < SynQ> what would you advise?
22:44 < perlDreamer> convertible, baby
22:47 < SynQ> hmm
22:47 < SynQ> that is not on offer by avis
22:47 <@tavisto> haha
22:48 <@tavisto> tavis likes hertz and does not like avis
22:48 <@tavisto> pretty soon they may become strong enough to take over my full name and replace me
22:48 <@tavisto> are you flying into chicago again and driving to madison?
22:49 < SynQ> indeed
22:49 < SynQ> I am
22:49 < SynQ> flying the 26th
22:49 < SynQ> arrival around noon
22:49 < SynQ> departure too in fact
22:50  * SynQ mubles something about time standing still
22:50 <@tavisto> ah okay.. are you attached to avis for any particular reason
22:50 < SynQ> oh no
22:50 <@tavisto> are you flying KLM?
22:50 < SynQ> but the alternative is elomo or something
22:50 < SynQ> nope
22:50 < SynQ> united
22:51 <@tavisto> is that who your frequent flier miles are with? (like do you fly often with them?)
22:51 <@tavisto> final question, when are you leaving? (so I know how many days you'll have car)
22:57 < SynQ> ah
22:57 < SynQ> sorry I was distracted a few minutes
22:57 < SynQ> frequent flyer?
22:57 < SynQ> I'm a very infrequent flyer
22:57 < SynQ> ah
22:57 < SynQ> we are going to be gone on sunday
22:58 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: On the add-to-cart-button bug, I'm not seeing the product import node in the import node?
22:58 <@preaction> tavisto, try now?
23:00 <@tavisto> k
23:00 < SynQ> I'm looking up the exact times
23:00 <@tavisto> appears to work now
23:01 < SynQ> arrival O'Hare 12:59 hours
23:01 <@tavisto> oh okay.. SynQ if you fly frequently you can always purchase your car rental thru the airline to get more points
23:01 < SynQ> tuesday 26th
23:01 <@tavisto> but if that doesn't matter then no biggie
23:01 < perlDreamer> perlmonkey2: I'll look in the code a bit.
23:02 < perlDreamer> perhaps it has already been moved
23:02 < SynQ> return: sunday august 31st 18:14 
23:02 <@tavisto> preaction, it works now
23:02 < perlDreamer> The other way to check is to find a product, and then find its parent
23:02 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: that would be cool, then it would already be fixed.  I'll check.
23:02 < perlDreamer> maybe there aren't any, in which case the problem would be different
23:02 < SynQ> I don't know how long in advance we have to be back at chicago
23:03 < perlDreamer> perlmonkey2, it's not fixed, since you can't buy any wG merchandise
23:03 < SynQ> tavisto: what would you rent/
23:04 <@tavisto> for international flights you want to be there typically like 3+ hours before hand. The fact that you're driving into Chicago makes it kinda hard to judge in travel time
23:04 < SynQ> ok
23:04 <@tavisto> lets see... you want a fun sports car I take it?
23:04 < SynQ> well
23:04 < SynQ> I'm still in doubt
23:04 <@tavisto> how many ppl will be with you?
23:04 < SynQ> I have to worry about my reputation
23:04 < SynQ> probably 3+myself
23:04 <@tavisto> yikes.. wouldn't recommend a mustang then
23:05 <@tavisto> 4 peeps with luggage is going to be hella tight in a mustang
23:05 < perlDreamer> dude's getting a minivan
23:05 < SynQ> oh
23:05 < SynQ> blech a minivan
23:05 < SynQ> if I could I'd rent my own car
23:05 <@tavisto> mustangs are small... i can barely fit into the drivers seat normally... and I'm only 6'3
23:05 < SynQ> bmw 540i touring
23:05 <@tavisto> nice, yes I agree
23:05 < SynQ> but it's not for rent
23:07 < SynQ> so dropoff time would be around 15:00 tops
23:07 < SynQ> probably a bit more early
23:07 < SynQ> a trailblazer sounds ok
23:08 < SynQ> but a bit booooooring
23:09 <@tavisto> how much do you want to spend (max)
23:11 < SynQ> 600
23:13 < SynQ> the mustang is 669 with avis
23:13 <@tavisto> the mustang is rated for 1 large suitcases or 2 small 
23:13 < SynQ> I can get an H3 for 875
23:13 < SynQ> ;)
23:13 < SynQ> but then JT will probably throw me out of the business meeting ;)
23:14 <@tavisto> yeah I was looking at h3 - would be better and it has a stick
23:14 < SynQ> blech
23:14 < SynQ> a stick
23:14 <@tavisto> hehe
23:14 < juan> i have to delete many users from one of my sites, can i delete them using the console
23:14 < SynQ> that is the only good thing about renting a car in the us
23:14 < SynQ> it's always an automatic
23:14 <@tavisto> Honestly.. my favorite car to rent is the cadillac DTS... You could get one for 627 from hertz
23:15 < SynQ> yea
23:15 <@tavisto> they are big, extremely comfortable... even more so than your bmw imho, and fasst
23:15 < SynQ> and 366 from avis
23:15 <@tavisto> a DTS will only cost you 366?
23:15 < SynQ> it says DTS or similar
23:15 <@tavisto> that's my recommendation.. they are sweet... kinda suited for an older person but they have nuts
23:16 < SynQ> thanks
23:16 < SynQ> now that is advice I can use
23:16 <@tavisto> otherwise go with an explorer or trailblazer... those will be big enough to carry your stuff... Go any smaller and you won't have enough room for 4 large suitcases
23:16 < SynQ> I'll wait a few more days before ordering one
23:16 < SynQ> let the dollar drop some more :P
23:17 <@tavisto> yep, we suck.
23:20 < SynQ> I wouldn't say that
23:20 <@tavisto> SynQ I think you should get the Chevrolet Aveo to show JT how green you are
23:20 < SynQ> will you be in madison on the 26th already?
23:20 < SynQ> hmm
23:20 <@tavisto> I will be there on the 25th
23:21 < SynQ> very good
23:21 < SynQ> you can do some drinking practice with bart
23:21 <@tavisto> you would be lucky to fit in an aveo yourself.... :) let alone have 3 other guys join you
23:21 < SynQ> but it would be very green 
23:21 < SynQ> It's also very green to eat no meat
23:22 < SynQ> but JT has got one thing right
23:22 < SynQ> not making babies
23:22 < SynQ> that is very green :)
23:22 < SynQ> I am on the other hand not so green
23:22 < SynQ> I own a big car, have babies and like to eat lot's of meat
23:23 < SynQ> but fuel for cars is still way cheaper in the us
23:24 <+MrHairgrease> true
23:24 <+MrHairgrease> so in that case you can also take the more expensive car
23:24 < SynQ> good plan
23:24 <+MrHairgrease> I thought Joeri was renting the car btw?
23:24 < SynQ> cadillac DTS
23:24 < SynQ> joeri is renting a car
23:24 <+MrHairgrease> or are you taking albert?
23:24 <+MrHairgrease> ok
23:25 < SynQ> but we have to fit in: joeri, albert, martin, rory, albert, lyn, husband of lyn, koen and bart
23:25 <+MrHairgrease> i keep forgetting how big the the DIF is these days
23:25 <+MrHairgrease> you mean ning right?
23:25 < SynQ> ning lyn loempia something
23:25 < SynQ> ;)
23:25 <+MrHairgrease> hmmm loempia's
23:26 <+MrHairgrease> dee lust i well!
23:26 < SynQ> vlammetjes
23:26 <+MrHairgrease> also lekker!
23:27 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: I would be looking for a Layout right?  I'm just moving a layout to a parent that has a decent style to inherit from, right?
23:27 < SynQ> I'm going to remember this: the DIF comes in a DTS
23:28 <+MrHairgrease> only part of the DIF
23:28 <+MrHairgrease> the handsome part will arrive in whatever Joeri rents 
23:29  * MrHairgrease has there all sinn in!
23:29 < SynQ> joeri rented a aveo, didn't he?
23:29 <+MrHairgrease> dunno
23:29 <+MrHairgrease> He's the CEO
23:29 <+MrHairgrease> he can make all the car decissions
23:29 < SynQ> I'm CeverythingO
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23:33 < SynQ> I must admit I do miss bart
23:34 <+MrHairgrease> bart will be especially missed next friday after 17.00
23:34 <+MrHairgrease> but then again
23:34 < SynQ> no worries
23:34 <+MrHairgrease> he's preparing Madison for the DIF
23:34 < SynQ> I'll drink a malt with you if I'm around at that time
23:34 <+MrHairgrease> I won't be at the office
23:35 <+MrHairgrease> still have to do that last exam
23:35 <+MrHairgrease> but I can come over for that scotch
23:37 < SynQ> oeh
23:37 < SynQ> amstel you mean
23:38 <+MrHairgrease> oh
23:38 <+MrHairgrease> hehe
23:38 <+MrHairgrease> whisful thinking i guess
23:38 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r7243 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Shortcut.pm): 
23:38 < CIA-6> WebGUI: fixed: shortcut overrides new value column doesn't show macros as unparsed
23:38 < CIA-6> WebGUI: fixed: shortcut select by alternate criteria wizard doesn't show lists properly
23:40 <@tavisto> SynQ that DTS fits 5 comfortably, although 4 (with full luggage) is probably going to max it out
23:40 <@tavisto> just remember that you will be "big pimpin
23:40 <@tavisto> " in that car.
23:41 < SynQ> tavisto: that sounds great
23:41 < SynQ> as noted: I'll take your advice
23:41 <@tavisto> :)
23:41 < SynQ> it's good to have partners in crime
23:41 <@tavisto> aye
23:41 < SynQ> crime is booooring on your own ;)
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00:15 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r7244 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/FilePile.pm): fixed: File Pile doesn't respect edit permissions of parent asset
00:15 < CIA-6> WebGUI: doug * r7245 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): fixed Gallery Cross Publish not displaying correctly
00:15 < CIA-6> WebGUI: doug * r7246 /WebGUI/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): really exposed a form element for others can add to albums
00:18 < juan> when i edit a user, there is a field call password timeout, can i update this field using console?
00:19 <+MrHairgrease> yes
00:19 <+MrHairgrease> just fill in another value in that field
00:19 < juan> in what table is locate that field?
00:20 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: okay, I gave the import products folder a good template and the add to cart button never showed up.  If you aren't busy, could you explain to me how you reached that conclusion so I can figure out where to go from here?
00:20 < juan> because all my users have different password timeout
00:20 <+MrHairgrease> it's either in users
00:21 <+MrHairgrease> or in authentication
00:21 <@preaction> it's in authentication, but that table is... a bit weird
00:21 < juan> in users no
00:21 <@perlmonkey2> Who's the miracle worker closing all the bugs?
00:21 <@preaction> fieldName should be something like webguiPasswordTimeout
00:21 <@preaction> probably graham
00:23 < juan> so, i have to add a new row in that table per user with that fieldname
00:23 <+MrHairgrease> no
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00:24 <+MrHairgrease> you'll have to update the values for the users
00:24 <+MrHairgrease> try something like
00:24 < WebGUI> re
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00:24 < juan> but in authentication not exits that field too
00:25 <+MrHairgrease> update authentication set fieldData=TIMEOUT where fieldName='passwordTimeout' and namespace='WebGUI'
00:25 <+MrHairgrease> TIMEOUT should be the desitred timeout in seconds
00:41 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: hmm, actually adding the style to the products folder worked.  The problem was the items counts were all zero.
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00:52 < perlDreamer> We sold out of Gooey dolls?
00:52 < perlDreamer> no way
00:52 <@preaction> sold out of gooey dolls?!
00:53 <@preaction> OUT... OF... GOOEY... DOLLS?!
00:53 < perlDreamer> I know
00:53  * perlDreamer starts looking for another project to volunteer with
00:53 <@preaction> how is Gooey supposed to take over the world if we do not spread WorShp
00:53 <@preaction> er.. WorShip
00:54  * MrHairgrease won't go to the wuc if there are no gooeys
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01:33 < perlDreamer> GHG
01:33 < perlDreamer> Gotta Hava Gooey
01:33 <@perlmonkey2> Can someone try to replicate the Safari attachment button on an entry form in 7.5.20.  I can replicate on PB which loks to be 7.5.19, but I can't replicate locally on 7.5.20.
01:34  * perlmonkey2 is down with GHG
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01:45 < juan> i have the next error with FileCache
01:45 < juan>  Too many links at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Cache/FileCache.pm line 244
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02:35 <@perlmonkey2> Anyone bored and have safari installed and want to see if this: http://www.webgui.org/cu97t1zy_iztt2bhnwtl7a#cU97t1zY_izTT2BhNwtL7A bug can be replicated?
02:36 < perlDreamer> no safari here
02:36 < perlDreamer> don't you have a shiny MacOS box?
02:36 <@perlmonkey2> yeah, I can't replicate it
02:37 < perlDreamer> that was tavisto's bug
02:37 <@perlmonkey2> I'm running safari, didn't update or anything.  This morning I could replicate easily on pb, but now I can't and I caould never replicate at home
02:37 <@perlmonkey2> yeah
02:37 < perlDreamer> try this, reply to the bug and ask him to duplicate it.  As you reply, close the bug
02:38 <@perlmonkey2> okay, but I could replicate this morning and rizen thought he knew what was wrong and prescribed a fix.
02:38 <@perlmonkey2> But before I went to fix it I wanted to replicate one more time.
02:38 <@perlmonkey2> Which leads me to here :)
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02:39 <@perlmonkey2> Actually I'm not sure I should close it.  Rizen wants a stable release tomorrow and I've already caused enough trouble without closing a bug only to have it reopened right as he's trying to put together the build.
02:40 < perlDreamer> good point
02:41 <@perlmonkey2> Next time you say a backup would be good at this point, I'm backing up twice :P
02:41  * perlDreamer has broken too many systems not to be that paranoid
02:44 <@perlmonkey2> You know though, even though it's been a long stressful day, it has still been a lot of fun.
02:49 < perlDreamer> It isn't every day that you get to blow up pb.com
02:49 < perlDreamer> time to go home
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02:52 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r7247 /WebGUI/t/Shop/Vendor.t: get and update tests
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03:58 < CIA-6> WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7248 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Form file attachment icons and fileloader.js are no longer loaded inline.
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06:28 <+perlDreamer> perlmonkey2, you're a brute
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06:29 <+perlDreamer> do you ever stop working?
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06:29 <@perlmonkey2> hah, I'm not working
06:29 <@perlmonkey2> watching the Olympics
06:29 <@perlmonkey2> chill'n
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06:32 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: although that last bug is calling me.
06:33 <+perlDreamer> which one is that?
06:33 <@perlmonkey2> the lost emailed post to a CS.
06:34 <+perlDreamer> oh yes
06:41 <@perlmonkey2> Hah, couldn't find anything in the CS that was parsing emails, but how would the CS be triggered to check emails.  It wouldn't, so obviously a workflow.  Maybe I'm actually learning something now.
06:44 <+perlDreamer> you're doing better than I did when I started :)
06:44 <+perlDreamer> GetCsEmails, I believe
06:45 <@perlmonkey2> yeah, looking through the email parsing code now.
06:45 <@perlmonkey2> good memory :)
06:45 <+perlDreamer> 3 years ago, I wrote POD documentation for 120 perl modules in WebGUI
06:46 <@perlmonkey2> wow
06:47 <@perlmonkey2> so you've been over nearly everything and studied it enough to document.
06:47 <+perlDreamer> well, in some cases the documentation is cursory
06:47 <+perlDreamer> it was a deal rizen made with me
06:47 <+perlDreamer> he created the nightly smoke runs in return for the POD docs
06:48 <@perlmonkey2> Since the bugs are gone my only assignment is to prepare my presentation.  But I think when I get bored with that I'll work on some of those tests I promised.
06:49 <@perlmonkey2> Be something fun that doesn't involve personal fears of public speaking ;)
06:50 <+perlDreamer> what are you talking about?  Survey2?
06:50 <@perlmonkey2> Yeah, presentation on Survey2 (even though it is still rough beta), but there were some tests you wanted to use the new test object system.
06:51 <@perlmonkey2> If my brain wasn't fried, I'm sure I'd remember which ones.
06:51 <@perlmonkey2> I said I'd do them after the bugs got cleared.
06:54 <+perlDreamer> work on your presentation, tests can be done later
06:54 <+perlDreamer> I won't forget :)
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06:56 <@perlmonkey2> hmm, need a local mail server to test this bug on.
06:57 <@perlmonkey2> Doubt there is anything wrong in WebGUI::Mail::get
06:57 <+perlDreamer> t/smptd.pl
06:58 <@perlmonkey2> ah, nice
06:58 <@perlmonkey2> Long live t/*
07:07 <@perlmonkey2> hmm, I'm not sure the Mime::Parser didn't fail here.  But alas, el wife-o gets up a 6 now, which means so do I.  So I'm turning in early.  Hasta la manana.  
07:07 <+perlDreamer> adios, amigo
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16:37 < SDuensin> Greetings.
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17:08 < slickware> anyone awake yet?
17:09 <+MrHairgrease> sure, for more than 7 hours
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17:24 < slickware> it always seems like there's no east-coasters around, that's all
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17:26 < slickware> I lost the "admin style" setting and am trying to find it
17:26 <+MrHairgrease> it's in settings in the admin console
17:26 <+MrHairgrease> tab is prolly ui
17:26 < slickware> yea... but I still don't see where in those settings
17:26 < slickware> admin console template?
17:27 <+MrHairgrease> it's called something like user function style
17:27 < slickware> oh
17:27 < slickware> so, not "admin style"
17:27 < slickware> lol
17:27 < slickware> I thought that might be it, but I didn't want to mess up my admin console
17:29 <+MrHairgrease> that doesn't control the admin console
17:29 <+MrHairgrease> it controls stuff like login screen and edit perofile and the like
17:29 <+MrHairgrease> dunno if you can change the admin console templates
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17:33 < slickware> gotcha
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