--- Log opened Tue Jul 01 00:00:58 2008
00:03 -!- CIA-6 [n=CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #WebGUI
00:08 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r6842 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset.pm: clearer hover help for asset exporting
00:10 < perlDreamer> melleb, if you rolled back the version tag containg the original install of the site, then that would happen.
00:11 < melleb> perlDreamer, do you mean that is should give me the last version before the version i rolled back?
00:12 < perlDreamer> no, if there's only 1 version tag and you roll it back, then all the content disappears
00:13 < melleb> there are like hundred of version tags left...
00:13 < perlDreamer> well, let's try this a different way then
00:13 < perlDreamer> do you have backups? :)
00:15 < perlDreamer> Once you roll the tag back, there's no other way to get the content back
00:22 -!- melleb_ [n=x@dhcp-077-248-063-013.chello.nl] has joined #webgui
00:22 -!- melleb [n=x@dhcp-077-248-063-013.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
00:23 < melleb_> and then internet breaks up... great... :)
00:23 < melleb_> perlDreamer, is there any way to fix this from inside webgui?
00:25 < perlDreamer> No.
00:25 < perlDreamer> Once you roll it back, it's gone
00:25 < perlDreamer> Do you have backups?
00:26 < melleb_> its 11PM here, so i can't really call the guys who host the site :/
00:26 -!- melleb_ is now known as melleb
00:27 < perlDreamer> melleb: Who does your hosting?
00:27 < melleb> unitedknowledge.nl
00:28 < melleb> perlDreamer, but normally this isn't expected behaviour right?
00:28 -!- wgGuest90 [n=wgGuest9@wsip-68-14-225-112.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #webgui
00:29 < perlDreamer> Oh yeah.  If you decide to nuke your site by rolling back version tags, WebGUI will let you.
00:29 < perlDreamer> I think it even has a confirmation screen, doesn't it?
00:29 <@preaction> yes
00:29 <@preaction> not a screen, but a JS popup
00:29 < melleb> jups
00:30 < melleb> i only wanted to remove my modifications to the site, so i only rolled back my versions
00:32 < melleb> its not like i've done anything wrong by rolling back my versions right?
00:32 < perlDreamer> well, there is some discrepancy somewhere.  If you only rollled back your versions, it _should_ be fine.
00:33 < wgGuest90> when I first setup webgui I logged into a page that let me start and stop services, setup new sites etc..
00:33 < wgGuest90> what ist he url of that page?
00:33 < perlDreamer> By counterargument (which may be flawed), everything isn't fine, so maybe you missed one, or did a different one.
00:33 < wgGuest90> cant' seem to findit 
00:33 < melleb> perlDreamer, nope i'm certain of that...
00:34 < melleb> perlDreamer, preaction, thanks for the help i'll call the webgui-gurus in the morning... maybe they know of a solution...
00:39 -!- melleb [n=x@dhcp-077-248-063-013.chello.nl] has quit []
00:39 <@preaction> wgGuest90, that's the wreconsole.pl. you need to go to a terminal, run the wreconsole.pl script, and it will tell you what URL you need to use
00:44 < wgGuest90> awesome thanks - I'll try that
00:44 -!- wgGuest90 [n=wgGuest9@wsip-68-14-225-112.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit []
01:17 -!- KlausH [n=KlausH@p5B070DD7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["bye"]
01:41 -!- perlbot [n=cardinal@c-24-30-67-86.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #webgui
02:20 -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat039.mxim.com] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"]
03:39 -!- Haarg [n=haarg@24-240-43-138.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"]
03:39 -!- patspam [n=patspam@ppp59-167-77-127.lns1.mel6.internode.on.net] has joined #webgui
03:42 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui
03:42 -!- mode/#webgui [+v Radix-wrk] by ChanServ
04:14 -!- Haarg [n=haarg@24-240-43-138.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui
04:14 -!- mode/#webgui [+o Haarg] by ChanServ
05:15 -!- dionak [n=dionak@cpe-024-074-132-143.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui
05:19 -!- dionak [n=dionak@cpe-024-074-132-143.carolina.res.rr.com] has left #webgui []
06:23 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
06:26 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui
06:26 -!- mode/#webgui [+v Radix-wrk] by ChanServ
06:38 -!- apeiron_ [n=apeiron@c-69-248-118-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #webgui
06:38 -!- mode/#webgui [+o apeiron_] by ChanServ
06:45 -!- apeiron_ [n=apeiron@c-69-248-118-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit ["leaving"]
06:54 -!- apeiron [n=apeiron@c-69-248-118-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
07:04 -!- apeiron [n=apeiron@c-69-248-118-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #webgui
07:05 -!- mode/#webgui [+o apeiron] by ChanServ
07:36 -!- tavisto [n=tavisto@pool-71-120-147-81.gdrpmi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit []
08:55 -!- dapperedodo [n=joeri@87.213.33.210] has joined #webgui
09:31 <@Haarg> well shit
09:32 <@Haarg> case insensitivity messed up style 1
09:44 <@preaction> nice
09:51 -!- KlausH [n=KlausH@p5B0709D7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #webgui
10:47 -!- Trebbor [n=robbert@mail.bnc.nl] has joined #webgui
10:47 < Trebbor> Hi.
10:50 < Trebbor> Somebody there who can perhaps help me out?
11:00 <@preaction> perlbot ask
11:00 < perlbot> Don't ask to ask, just ask.
11:13 < Trebbor> Haha, never mind. I fixed it myself. (after a few hours looking)
11:14 -!- BartJol [n=plainstu@host2.procolix.com] has joined #webgui
11:14 < Trebbor> Goodmorning Bartjol.
11:14 < BartJol> hi
11:15 -!- ryuu_ro [n=rory@gw.oqapi.nl] has joined #webgui
11:21 < patspam> has anyone tried doing profiling with DProf whilst using WebGUI::Test?
11:23 < BartJol> mmm patspam, if it's about testeing PerlDreamer is your guy
11:23 <@preaction> patspam, i've done DProf profiling while running normally, but not via the tests
11:23 < patspam> ok maybe I'll try to catch him tomorrow.. they don't seem to play nicely together
11:23 < patspam> dprof's output gets garbled
11:24 < patspam> which i think supposedly happens if you run it in conjunction with Test::More
11:38 < patspam> aha, tracked it down to Class::InsideOut
11:39 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"]
11:52 -!- AMH_bob [n=AMH_bob@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui
13:26 -!- BartJol [n=plainstu@host2.procolix.com] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)]
14:27 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-226-44-250.client.mchsi.com] has quit ["Leaving"]
14:30 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@gw.oqapi.nl] has joined #webgui
14:30 -!- mode/#webgui [+v MrHairgrease] by ChanServ
14:47 -!- BartJol [n=plainstu@host2.procolix.com] has joined #webgui
14:55 < CIA-6> WebGUI: patspam * r6843 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (14 files in 5 dirs): WebGUI_flux: test refactoring and some benchmarking/profiling
15:07 -!- patspam [n=patspam@ppp59-167-77-127.lns1.mel6.internode.on.net] has quit ["Leaving."]
15:57 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@238.sub-75-204-84.myvzw.com] has joined #WebGUI
16:02 < SDuensin> Greetings.
16:15 -!- bopbop [n=kmccombs@71-90-18-149.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui
16:15 -!- mode/#webgui [+o bopbop] by ChanServ
16:27 < ckotil> Good Morning
16:29 <+MrHairgrease> howdy!
16:48 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
17:17 -!- Trebbor [n=robbert@mail.bnc.nl] has quit []
17:22 -!- knowmad [n=william@97.66.185.250] has joined #webgui
17:22 < knowmad> morning people (or afternoon to MHG et al)
17:23 < knowmad> is there anyone here familiar with the new e-commerce system?
17:23 -!- tavisto [n=tavisto@pool-71-120-147-81.gdrpmi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #WebGUI
17:23 -!- mode/#webgui [+o tavisto] by ChanServ
17:23 < knowmad> in particular, i need to know if it can do coupons
17:23 < knowmad> hey tavisto
17:23 <@bopbop> yes, you can do coupons
17:23 <@tavisto> yo
17:23 < knowmad> thanks bopbop
17:23 <@tavisto> yes, flat rate coupons can be added to the new cart
17:23 <@bopbop>  yep
17:23 < knowmad> can it do 1-time coupons?
17:23 <+MrHairgrease> hi knowmad
17:23 < knowmad> hey MrHairgrease
17:24 <+MrHairgrease> i think all coupons are one time
17:24 < knowmad> that seems odd
17:24 <+MrHairgrease> with coupons you mean price reduction tickets right
17:24 <+MrHairgrease> ?
17:24 < knowmad> yep
17:24 <+MrHairgrease> so you'll want people to redeem those only once right?
17:25 <+MrHairgrease> or else they'll always have a reduction
17:25 < knowmad> exactly
17:25 < knowmad> there are some cases where i'd want to allow users to reuse coupons, but in this instance not
17:25 <+MrHairgrease> so by definition, coupons are 1 time redeemable only
17:25 <+MrHairgrease> oh ok
17:25 <+MrHairgrease> i see
17:25 <+MrHairgrease> dunno if that's possible
17:25 <+MrHairgrease> rizen does
17:25 <+MrHairgrease> since he made the coupons
17:26 <+MrHairgrease> speaking of which
17:26 <+MrHairgrease> where's rizen anyway?
17:26 < knowmad> where is rizen?
17:26 <+MrHairgrease> he seems to have disappeared from the surface of the earth
17:26 < knowmad> tavis probably has him busy ;)
17:26 < knowmad> thanks for the input...
17:27 <+MrHairgrease> oki
17:27 <+MrHairgrease> best way to find out is to check the code
17:31 -!- ryuu_ro [n=rory@gw.oqapi.nl] has quit []
17:32 -!- dapperedodo [n=joeri@87.213.33.210] has left #webgui []
17:35 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@gw.oqapi.nl] has left #webgui []
17:44 -!- Sara [n=Camilo@201.232.58.66] has joined #webgui
17:44 <@tavisto> I think Rizen has been on fire lately and hasn't been on IM and IRC lately
17:59 -!- juan [n=juangui@201.232.58.66] has joined #webgui
18:05 < Sara> Hi, I have a question about the cs
18:06 < BartJol> Sara, well fire away
18:07 < Sara> There are some macro to show the post most rate?
18:07 < BartJol> in the overview from fifferent forums?
18:07 < BartJol> I think thta's a template
18:09 < Sara> I have many post in a cs, i would like to show the post most rate
18:10 < Sara> or the most visit post
18:11 < Sara> is this posible?
18:11 < BartJol> <tmpl_var views>
18:11 < BartJol> ah, well
18:11 < BartJol> you want to show the post title, with a link to the post that is viewed most often?
18:12 < Sara> Yes i do
18:13 < BartJol> I don't think a macro exists for that purpose, you can also make a sqlreport for that or make a macro
18:13 < BartJol> shouldn't be to bad
18:15 < BartJol> or I can write it but it will cost our standard hourly wage (85 euro)
18:15 < BartJol> that's procolix
18:17 < Sara> 8-)
18:17 < BartJol> no? ok
18:17 < BartJol> :)
18:20 < Sara> Bartjol, can you tell me in wich table of the data base i must do it the sql report?
18:21 < BartJol> collaboration?
18:23 < Sara> Ok, let me see
18:24 < BartJol> not sure, just a guess
18:25 < BartJol> with a capital: Collaboration
18:26 < BartJol> but Post is probably also a good idea
18:28 < BartJol> have fun with it, I'm off,todeloo
18:28 -!- BartJol [n=plainstu@host2.procolix.com] has left #webgui []
18:30 -!- knowmad [n=william@97.66.185.250] has left #webgui []
18:36 -!- AMH_bob [n=AMH_bob@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has left #webgui []
18:51 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r6844 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Post.pm): fixed: Synopsis doesn't update after editting posts
18:51 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r6845 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Mail/Get.pm): fixed: Mail messages not properly decoded
18:51 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r6846 /WebGUI/ (56 files in 33 dirs): fixed: Style 1, other areas broken due to case sensitivity in uploads
18:51 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r6847 /WebGUI/www/uploads/ (14 files in 14 dirs): cleaning up uploads dirs
19:00 -!- topsub [n=josh@97.66.185.250] has joined #webgui
19:38 -!- dionak [n=dionak@97.66.185.250] has joined #webgui
20:13 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui
20:13 -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ
20:13 -!- lisette [n=ubuntu@201.232.58.66] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
20:14 <@tavisto> webgui.org is soooooooo slow
20:41 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: perlbot
20:41 -!- snapcount [n=snapcoun@andc-fw1.exploreos.com] has joined #webgui
20:42 -!- Netsplit over, joins: perlbot
20:55 -!- Sara [n=Camilo@201.232.58.66] has left #webgui []
21:33 -!- perlbot [n=cardinal@c-24-30-67-86.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.]
21:33 -!- perlbot [n=cardinal@c-24-30-67-86.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #webgui
21:34 -!- perlbot [n=cardinal@c-24-30-67-86.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.]
21:34 -!- perlbot [n=perlbot@lv.pm.org] has joined #webgui
21:38 -!- perlbot_ [n=cardinal@c-24-30-67-86.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #webgui
21:41 -!- perlbot_ [n=cardinal@c-24-30-67-86.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit]
21:48 -!- bopbop [n=kmccombs@71-90-18-149.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit ["that's all folks"]
22:06 < topsub> can i do an auto incrementing Id number with thingy
22:11 < ckotil> can you disable caching on a single asset?
22:27 < ckotil> the nocache html headers did the trick.
22:28 < ckotil> =)
22:28 < ckotil> working on this web form that is served up via macro. and data was getting cached
22:35 -!- khenn [n=khenn@68-114-220-93.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #WebGUI
22:35 -!- mode/#webgui [+o khenn] by ChanServ
22:44 -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat039.mxim.com] has joined #webgui
22:53 < perlDreamer> apeiron, I've always considered you a pretty sharp guy, but in your photo you're a little blurry.  We'll attribute that to a bad lens :)
22:53 <@apeiron> perlDreamer, The camera was made in ~2004
22:54 < perlDreamer> um, too much caffeine?
22:54 <@apeiron> Self-taken, yeah, and my hands aren't steady.
22:57 <@apeiron> perlDreamer, Hey, didn't you add an RFE for being able to self-assign a bug?
22:57 < perlDreamer> yes, I called it "grab a bug"
22:57 <@apeiron> I know it existed because I dumped all my karma into it but I can't find it now.
22:57 <@apeiron> Maybe it was implemented?
22:57 < perlDreamer> could be
22:57 < perlDreamer> let's check
22:58 < perlDreamer> apeiron: http://www.webgui.org/qicscyynmapmzmbi1zoyya#qICScyYnmAPmZmBi1zoYYA
22:58 <@apeiron> ah.
22:58 <@apeiron> That URL bug is fixed, by the way.
22:59 < perlDreamer> cool
23:00 < perlDreamer> tavisto, I'm sending another church toward PB for some help.
23:00 < perlDreamer> It's Whitney Baptist, and the contact should be Mark.
23:01 <@tavisto> alrighty
23:02 <@tavisto> perlDreamer, do you think you are capable of fixing the "add to cart" bug?
23:02 <@tavisto> where it returns the user to the product instead of the thank you message?
23:02 < perlDreamer> I would have fixed that bug last week, except for one thing.
23:02 < perlDreamer> I think it will break shelves badly
23:02 <@tavisto> it will?
23:03 < perlDreamer> Yeah.  Do you want me to explain it?
23:03 <@tavisto> if you've got the time I'd like to know
23:03 < perlDreamer> Okay
23:03 < perlDreamer> Consider that you have 3 products on 1 page
23:03 <@tavisto> b/c Kristi and I think that it's impossible to use right now
23:03 <@tavisto> k
23:04 < perlDreamer> What you're asking is for the product to return the view of the parent (the page) after certain tasks are done, like add to cart.
23:04 < perlDreamer> That, alone, is very easy.
23:04 < perlDreamer> The problem comes when you have a shelf.
23:04 <@tavisto> actually it's a return to a template
23:04 < perlDreamer> No
23:04 <@tavisto> of the product... showing the thank you message?
23:04 < perlDreamer> Are we talking abuot the same thing?
23:05 <@tavisto> not sure now...
23:05 <@tavisto> I'm talking about the issue where a user adds something to cart... then it returns them to the same product view
23:05 < perlDreamer> Is this a posted bug?
23:06 <@tavisto> it *should* return them to a blank screen with the thank you message
23:06 <@tavisto> yeah it's under Kristi's
23:06 <@tavisto> let me grab it
23:06 < perlDreamer> please shoot me a URL
23:06 <@tavisto> http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/add-to-cart-button-broken#nCiOC-vIM0cobTKRn1-CyQ
23:07 < perlDreamer> Is that only on PB.com, or is it also on beta.webgui.org?
23:07 < perlDreamer> I thought that was a PB only bug.
23:07 <@tavisto> no this also affects anything using the beta
23:08 < perlDreamer> let's set up a beta site to test it
23:08 <@tavisto> well this is confusing Colin because it's a hybrid issue between 2 bug reports
23:08 <@tavisto> Let me explain what is happening and you tell me if this is the same thing.
23:08 < perlDreamer> okay
23:08 <@tavisto> User goes to page.... where a product is displaying.  They click on add to cart.
23:09 <@tavisto> Screen refreshes and user views the individual product now with the same add to cart button. The Thank You message is not visible anywhere.
23:09 <@tavisto> This only affects products and Donations are actually showing the Thank you Message
23:10 <@tavisto> But the problem with Donations is that it still shows the "Donation" and gives you the option to add to cart.  That shouldn't be there.
23:10 < perlDreamer> I have a beta demo site here: http://beta.webgui.org/demo1214939307_856/home
23:10 <@tavisto> k
23:10 < perlDreamer> It has a product on the main page at the bottom.
23:10 < perlDreamer> if you click on add to cart it does...
23:11 <@tavisto> i added it to cart
23:11 < perlDreamer> not show you the thank you message
23:11 <@tavisto> now I see a screen that tells me
23:11 <@tavisto> widgets are cool
23:11 <@tavisto> and I see an option to add to cart again...
23:11 <@tavisto> this is very flawd
23:11 <@tavisto> flawed even
23:11 <@tavisto> It should just show me thank you message and any macros I add to the space
23:12 <@tavisto> ie. (Continue Shopping link, and then a ^ViewCart; macro)
23:13 <@tavisto> it just doesn't make sense to have the user see "add to cart" and the product dropdowns right after they add something to cart
23:14 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: perlbot, @apeiron
23:15 -!- Netsplit over, joins: @apeiron, perlbot
23:19  * perlDreamer is madly tracing perl code...
23:20 < perlDreamer> So _you_ are really just asking for a different template.  One with some conditional in it that does different things right after you have added something to the cart?
23:24 <@tavisto> I'm not sure... there's obviously a bug in that the welcome message isn't displayed
23:24 < perlDreamer> there's template variable to do that
23:24 < perlDreamer> It's just not in the default template
23:25 < perlDreamer> the template variable is called hasAddedToCart
23:25 < perlDreamer> that's the conditional
23:25 < perlDreamer> and the thank you message is thankYouMessage
23:26 < perlDreamer> http://beta.webgui.org/demo1214939307_856/home?op=viewHelp;hid=product%20template;namespace=Asset_Product
23:26 < perlDreamer> about in the middle
23:26 < perlDreamer> kristi's bug is quite different
23:26 <@tavisto> well the problem is that Kristi and I don't know what's connected and what's not
23:27 <@tavisto> we're looking at it from a user perspective
23:27 <@tavisto> by default there is no good reason for someone to see the add to cart or product options after adding it to cart.  Agree?
23:27 < perlDreamer> I am probably not your typical user.  It doesn't bother me.
23:28 <@tavisto> that's right you aren't
23:28 <@tavisto> the guy who picks up webgui and tries to add a simple shopping cart.
23:28 <@tavisto> that's the guy that's saying exactly what I'm saying
23:29 <@tavisto> actually, Tavis, the guy that's been around WebGUI since before it existed... is saying that.
23:29 <@tavisto> :)
23:29 < perlDreamer> So what you're saying, on behalf of the users, is that after you add it to the cart, you never want to see an addToCart button until checkout or until it's removed from the cart?
23:30 <@tavisto> once I add it to cart... I want to see the confirmation that it's been added. And then "Continue Shopping" and "View Cart" options
23:30 <@tavisto> can you tell me why you think it would be a good idea to show the same product and add to cart option?  That's just fueling confusion for the end user
23:30 <@tavisto> my thought right now is to keep clicking the add to cart button.... like a gerbil in a wheel
23:31 < perlDreamer> Sure, let them buy as many as they want.
23:31 <@preaction> we've got enough of that confusion stuff to last us a few eons :p
23:31 <@tavisto> okay.... without confirmation?
23:31 <@preaction> but can't they update quantity in the cart itself?
23:31 <@tavisto> how do I even know it's added?
23:31 <@tavisto> where can I go from here?
23:31 <@preaction> DISNEY WORLD!
23:31 <@tavisto> why does it keep taking me back to the stupid product!!!!! AAAARGH!
23:32 <@tavisto> am I speaking a different language here or what?  :)
23:32 < perlDreamer> Dude, I know you're frustrated.  But I'm finding it really hard to get a concrete set of requirements out of you.
23:32 < perlDreamer> Without that I can't hack safely.
23:32 <@tavisto> really?
23:32 < perlDreamer> Yeah
23:32 <@tavisto> *tavis is frustrated*
23:32 <@preaction> perlDreamer, i think he wants a page like the CS Post's www_showConfirmation
23:33 <@preaction> that says the thank you and provides two links: Back to the product (Continue Shopping) and View Cart
23:33 <@tavisto> yes.
23:33 < perlDreamer> preaction: he's brought up 4 slightly related issues.
23:33 <@preaction> ahh
23:33 < perlDreamer> some of them are doable right now with a different templat
23:33 < perlDreamer> some require more code
23:33 < perlDreamer> for example, what does Continue Shopping do?
23:33 < perlDreamer> where does it take you?
23:33 <@tavisto> okay yeah maybe I confused you with the proxy stuff... Lets get back to just product.
23:34 <@preaction> back to the page they were on before... if in doubt, just go back to the product
23:34 < perlDreamer> Okay, with respect to a confirmation, that's pure template work.
23:34 < perlDreamer> 5 minute job
23:34 <@preaction> hmm... that might be a bit weird
23:34 <@tavisto> the continue shopping would be a manual link that I would create I think
23:34 <@tavisto> not something global in webgui
23:34 <@preaction> perhaps www_addToCart needs a returnUrl?
23:34 < perlDreamer> exactly, preaction.  Now consider how the Shelf would affect that.
23:34 <@tavisto> so dont worry about that I dont think
23:34 <@tavisto> The only thing that is important
23:35 <@tavisto> 1. Thank you Message
23:35 <@tavisto> 2. View Cart
23:35 <@preaction> tavisto, no, that'd be bad. we want continue shopping to take the person right back to where they were right before they clicked "Add to Cart" (at least, that's what I would expect)
23:35 <@tavisto> 3. (Product does not show)
23:35 <@tavisto> Okay, Preaction I agree with you... Continue Shopping would be GREAT to have by default
23:35 <@tavisto> I'm just not being greedy right now... I just need this to work
23:35 <@tavisto> :)
23:36 <@tavisto> So yes it would be cool to have Continue Shopping and I see this as a vital component.
23:36 <@preaction> i guess i haven't poked around the new Commerce enough yet to know what we can and cannot do right now
23:36 < perlDreamer> tavisto, 1 and 2 are pure templating work.  It can be done right now by anyone with admin rights to PB.com
23:36 < perlDreamer> also, please just write down all your requirements
23:36 < perlDreamer> have JT bless them
23:36 < perlDreamer> and I'll code them
23:36 <@tavisto> okay and 3?
23:36 <@tavisto> about the product not showing up after "add to cart" is pressed
23:37 < perlDreamer> Just write down _everything_ that you want.
23:37 < perlDreamer> if JT blesses it, I'll build it
23:37 <@preaction> so once a product is in the cart, you don't want the user to be able to see it anymore?
23:37 < perlDreamer> or he can
23:37 <@preaction> or just the Add to Cart link for the product that is already in the cart?
23:37 <@tavisto> preaction, when the thank you message is displayed
23:37 < perlDreamer> just the Add to Cart
23:37 <@preaction> oh
23:37 <@tavisto> so when someone hits the add to cart button
23:37 <@tavisto> I want them to see blank screen
23:37 <@tavisto> with thank you
23:37 <@tavisto> view cart link
23:37 <@tavisto> and the continue shopping link
23:38 <@tavisto> tada!
23:38 <@preaction> so the Thank You message is shown on the same page as the Product itself, just pops-up and the rest of the page is the Product?
23:38 < perlDreamer> Like I said, "thank you" and "view cart" are just template changes
23:38 <@preaction> (i mean, currently)
23:38 <@tavisto> I will write this down and talk with JT
23:38 < perlDreamer> Okay
23:38 <@tavisto> uh... preaction you're losing me
23:39 <@preaction> the current behavior
23:39 <@tavisto> right now, when someone adds to cart, it returns to the specific product view
23:39 <@tavisto> not even the page it was on
23:39 <@preaction> well, that's to be expected kinda, but go on
23:39 <@tavisto> so my guess is that it should go to the product view as it is now but with a different template
23:40 <@tavisto> and on the "Thank you message" screen the product dropdown, variations, and add to cart should be hidden
23:40 <@preaction> instead of hidden, just say "shouldn't be there". to me, hidden implies they're there but the user can't see them. ;)
23:40 < perlDreamer> nah, I know how to translate marketing into code :)
23:41 <@preaction> in essence, you're asking for another page, the Confirmation page
23:41 <@preaction> which is a good idea imho
23:41 <@preaction> i've been putting them everywhere these days. people seem to expect that everything they do gets read back to them
23:41 -!- snapcount [n=snapcoun@andc-fw1.exploreos.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
23:43 <@tavisto> well it seems like online there are 2 main ways that e-commerce retailers operate
23:43 <@tavisto> when you add to cart you go to cart and see the product there... or you get some confirmation screen
23:43 <@tavisto> the other option I guess would be the mini cart that updates and shows you what's in your cart
23:44 <@preaction> right. but i say we keep it as wG has been doing it, show the confirmation screen (which is a cheap page load, not as expensive as the Cart will be) and let them choose what's up. that screen could be further enhanced later
23:44 <@preaction> like, value-add or impulse buys
23:44 <@tavisto> absolutely
23:44 <@tavisto> that's all we need
23:44 <@tavisto> just the basic functionality
23:48 -!- topsub [n=josh@97.66.185.250] has quit ["Leaving"]
23:52 <@tavisto> perldreamer, would you be able to do the template change on the demo site so I can get a screenshot to attach to this RFE for JT to review?
23:53 <@tavisto> I guess I could mock it up but if 1&2 only take a second it would be cool to see and play with it
23:53 < perlDreamer> I can't do it right now, $dayJob has reared it's ugly head.
23:53 <@tavisto> ah okay np
23:55 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@238.sub-75-204-84.myvzw.com] has quit ["Leaving"]
23:59 <@tavisto> preaction, do you think this qualifies as a bug report or is it better suited as an RFE?
23:59 < perlDreamer> tavisto, they're bugs
23:59 <@tavisto> alright thanks
23:59 < perlDreamer> if JT wants to RFE them instead, he'll tell you
23:59 <@tavisto> :)
--- Day changed Wed Jul 02 2008
00:09 -!- dionak [n=dionak@97.66.185.250] has quit []
00:12 -!- dionak [n=dionak@97.66.185.250] has joined #webgui
00:26 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: KlausH
00:27 -!- Netsplit over, joins: KlausH
00:31 -!- dionak [n=dionak@97.66.185.250] has quit []
00:34 -!- dionak [n=dionak@97.66.185.250] has joined #webgui
00:46 -!- juan [n=juangui@201.232.58.66] has left #webgui []
01:00 -!- dionak [n=dionak@97.66.185.250] has quit []
01:02 -!- dionak [n=dionak@97.66.185.250] has joined #webgui
01:14 -!- dionak [n=dionak@97.66.185.250] has quit []
01:15 -!- elnino [n=ninow@user-38q49cv.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #webgui
01:15 < elnino> hi!!! 
01:16 < perlDreamer> Howdy!
01:17 < elnino> I guess my boss is still considering sending me to the conference.  we'll see...
01:17 < elnino> I've been trying to read up on spell checkers for webgui, and it appears that aspell doesn't work with tinymce?  what are my options?  Is there a way I can convince my users that a browser add-in make more sense, and take much less time to implement? =)
01:20 < perlDreamer> I've never tinkered with the spell checker for wG.
01:20 < elnino> do you use a browser addin?
01:21 < perlDreamer> No.  Almost everything I do with wG is on the command line.
01:21 < elnino> yes, sure for admin, but for content - what do your users use?
01:22 < perlDreamer> They don't do online spell checking.  We have (had) content creators and site editors.
01:23 < elnino> that's what i meant - your content creaters and site editors...
01:23 < perlDreamer> they used TinyMCE
01:25 < perlDreamer> sorry, elnino.  On this particular subject I'm not so much help.
01:37 < perlDreamer> Well, I've followed the instructions on the wiki and the server side spell checker doesn't work.
01:37 < perlDreamer> That's a bug.
01:44 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-226-44-250.client.mchsi.com] has joined #WebGUI
01:45 -!- snapcount [n=snapcoun@andc-fw1.exploreos.com] has joined #webgui
01:55 -!- KlausH [n=KlausH@p5B0709D7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["bye"]
01:58 < perlDreamer> elnino, I filed a bug report about the spell checker, but this one is not a trivial fix.
01:59 < perlDreamer> it looks like tinyMCE has rewritten their plugin, and it will require some extensive hacking on our end of it.
02:12 -!- snapcount [n=snapcoun@andc-fw1.exploreos.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
02:41 -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat039.mxim.com] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"]
03:24 -!- tavisto [n=tavisto@pool-71-120-147-81.gdrpmi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit []
03:24 -!- patspam [n=patspam@ppp59-167-77-127.lns1.mel6.internode.on.net] has joined #webgui
04:06 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@formsys.com] has joined #webgui
04:06 -!- mode/#webgui [+v Radix-wrk] by ChanServ
04:13 -!- dionak [n=dionak@cpe-024-074-132-143.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui
04:36 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@formsys.com] has quit ["Leaving"]
04:36 -!- Radix-work [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui
04:41 -!- dionak [n=dionak@cpe-024-074-132-143.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit []
06:00 -!- elnino [n=ninow@user-38q49cv.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
06:01 -!- elnino [n=ninow@user-38q49cv.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #webgui
06:13 -!- khenn [n=khenn@68-114-220-93.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit []
07:17 -!- snapcount [n=snapcoun@76.9.101.97.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui
08:18 -!- khenn [n=khenn@68-114-220-93.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #WebGUI
08:18 -!- mode/#webgui [+o khenn] by ChanServ
09:02 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
09:44 -!- ryuu_ro [n=rory@gw.oqapi.nl] has joined #webgui
09:50 -!- ryuu_ro_ [n=rory@gw.oqapi.nl] has joined #webgui
09:50 -!- ryuu_ro [n=rory@gw.oqapi.nl] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)]
10:09 -!- AMH_bob [n=AMH_bob@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui
10:15 -!- BartJol [n=plainstu@host2.procolix.com] has joined #webgui
10:47 -!- Radix-work [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
10:48 -!- Radix-work [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui
11:16 -!- ryuu_ro_ [n=rory@gw.oqapi.nl] has quit []
11:50 -!- KlausH [n=KlausH@p5B071091.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #webgui
11:51 -!- ryuu_ro [n=rory@gw.oqapi.nl] has joined #webgui
12:08 -!- Radix-work [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"]
12:24 -!- AMH_bob [n=AMH_bob@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has left #webgui []
12:53 -!- AMH_bob [n=AMH_bob@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui
13:04 -!- snapcount [n=snapcoun@76.9.101.97.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
14:28 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-226-44-250.client.mchsi.com] has quit ["Leaving"]
14:44 -!- BartJol [n=plainstu@host2.procolix.com] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)]
14:55 -!- melleb [n=x@ip5451e230.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #webgui
14:55 -!- melleb [n=x@ip5451e230.direct-adsl.nl] has left #webgui []
15:07 -!- BartJol [n=plainstu@194.171.50.123] has joined #webgui
15:12 -!- SquOnk [n=emhn@201.248.19.52] has joined #webgui
15:12 < SquOnk> Hi everyone
15:12 < SquOnk> I'm getting a weird message in my log
15:13 < SquOnk> 2008/07/02 07:40:09 - WARN - webgui.conf - Log::Log4perl::Logger::__ANON__[771] - The URL yui/reset-fonts-grids.css was requested, but does not exist in your asset tree.
15:14 < SquOnk> Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the URL should be yui/build/reset-fonts-grids/reset-fonts-grids.css, right?
15:19 < BartJol> I won't correct you, but neither affirm...
15:19 < BartJol> just don't know
15:20 < SquOnk> Heh
15:20 < BartJol> useless isn't it?
15:20 < SquOnk> BartJol: :-)
15:21 < BartJol> Very good in saying useless things :)
15:21 < BartJol> it's a feature, not a bug
15:21 < ryuu_ro> In my WRE install that's the place where you can find it
15:22 < ryuu_ro> so you're right about yui/build/reset-fonts-grids/reset-fonts-grids.css
15:23 < SquOnk> ryuu_ro: This is 7.5.14. The wrong URL shows up in every page.
15:23 < SquOnk> In the header, to be precise
15:23 < ryuu_ro> did you upgrade?
15:23 < SquOnk> ryuu_ro: No, I haven't
15:24 < ryuu_ro> ok, did you change your style?
15:24 < SquOnk> ryuu_ro: Nope
15:24 < SquOnk> ryuu_ro: It's a fresh install.
15:24 < ryuu_ro> hmm, so nothing changed and this started happening
15:24 < ryuu_ro> ow ok, what version are you running?
15:24 < SquOnk> ryuu_ro: Exactly
15:24 < SquOnk> 7.5.14
15:25 < ryuu_ro> ok, I can't check it out right now, but maybe a template is broken
15:25 < ryuu_ro> do you use a webgui standard style?
15:25 < SquOnk> ryuu_ro: It's the standard style.
15:26 < SquOnk> ryuu_ro: It's a fresh install out of the 7.5.14 tarball.
15:26 < SquOnk> ryuu_ro: That's the current version I'm packaging for Debian :-)
15:26 < SquOnk> ryuu_ro: I also believe some template is b0rken.
15:26 < SquOnk> ryuu_ro: And it should be the template with the header
15:27 < SquOnk> ryuu_ro: I did not have that problem with 7.5.11, that being the last tarball I packaged for Debian
15:28 < ryuu_ro> ok, did you check out the gotcha.txt? Maybe they've changed the yui dir
15:29 < SquOnk> ryuu_ro: Yes. Nothing there
15:30 < SquOnk> julioh hizo un video porno cromando el pomo de una puerta
15:30 < SquOnk> Sorry.
15:30 < SquOnk> Wrong channel
15:30 < ryuu_ro> :)
15:31 < SquOnk> I'm still sleepy
15:32 < ryuu_ro> hmmm, for me 2 hours till the end of the working day
15:32 < SquOnk> I'm just starting...
15:32 < SquOnk> ryuu_ro: Where in the Netherlands are you?
15:33 < ryuu_ro> in Delft at Oqapi
15:34 < SquOnk> Hmmm. Never been there. I lived in the Netherlands on and off for a year and half between 1997-1998
15:34 < ryuu_ro> ow ok, where'd you live then?
15:34 < SquOnk> A'dam, Utrecht, Leeuwaarden and Amersfoort
15:34 < SquOnk> Depending on the customer...
15:35 < SquOnk> I was in Amsterdam most of the time.
15:35 < ryuu_ro> aha, traveling around the country
15:35 < ryuu_ro> I live in Voorburg a litte place next to The Hague
15:35 < SquOnk> Nice
15:36 < SquOnk> I was lucky enough to see snow in Amsterdam on my last night :-)
15:37 < ryuu_ro> then you had some luck indeed, all we see nowadays I either rain or sunshine
15:39 < ryuu_ro> I checked out the standard conf file and the path there is right, so my thoughts are that a template is broken
15:39 < ryuu_ro> I don't have it installed, so I can't check it out now
15:40 < SquOnk> ryuu_ro: Ok. It should be the template that creates the header, since the wrong path is showing up in a <link> tag referencing a stylesheet.
15:41 < ryuu_ro> Yep, I think you're probably right
15:55 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@41.sub-75-207-192.myvzw.com] has joined #WebGUI
15:57 < SDuensin> Morning.
16:12 -!- bopbop [n=kmccombs@71-90-18-149.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui
16:13 -!- mode/#webgui [+o bopbop] by ChanServ
16:39 -!- KlausH [n=KlausH@p5B071091.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit []
16:40 -!- KlausH [n=KlausH@p5B071091.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #webgui
16:51 -!- dionak [n=dionak@97.66.185.250] has joined #webgui
17:05 -!- CIA-6 [n=CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
17:10 -!- CIA-6 [n=CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #WebGUI
17:13 -!- tavisto [n=tavisto@pool-71-120-147-81.gdrpmi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #WebGUI
17:13 -!- mode/#webgui [+o tavisto] by ChanServ
17:24 < CIA-6> WebGUI: jt * r6848 /translations/Russian/Russian/AdminConsole.pm: update_from_translation_server
17:24 < CIA-6> WebGUI: translation * r6849 /translations/RedNeck/ (161 files in 2 dirs): Update from translation server
17:30 -!- BartJol [n=plainstu@194.171.50.123] has left #webgui []
17:33 -!- ryuu_ro [n=rory@gw.oqapi.nl] has quit []
17:33 <@Haarg> hopefully the translation script will work properly now
17:45 -!- lisette [n=liraos@201.232.58.66] has joined #webgui
17:46 <@tavisto> bopbop, I take it no one can buy any products online right now at pb.com
17:46 <@bopbop> they can
17:46 <@bopbop> they have to add the items to their carts
17:46 <@bopbop> and then go to the main merchandise page to get to the cart
17:47 <@bopbop> so, once they get to the broken page, they have to back track
17:47 <@tavisto> hmm... 
17:47 <@bopbop> but that's just for merchandise
17:47 <@bopbop> I don't know what happens w/ support, hosting etc
17:47 <@bopbop> I haven't explored that
17:47 <@bopbop> subscriptions don't show prices right now either
17:48 <@bopbop> it's ugly out there
17:48 <@tavisto> hmm... okay so they add to cart and then need to go back to the main categories page?
17:48 <@tavisto> yes this is bad
17:49 <@bopbop> yes
17:49 <@bopbop> I stuck the view cart link on that page last week just so I could get stuff out of my own cart
17:49 <@bopbop> I had added every last t-shirt to it trying to figure out what was going on ;)
17:49 <@bopbop> figured I better get them out of there
17:50 <@bopbop> it's very  bad- I don't think anyone shopping out on pb.com right now would know wtf was going on
17:51 <@bopbop> Other shopping options work better- subscription assets, aside from not displaying the price, seem to be working alright
18:00 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r6850 /tools/translationserver.cgi: set encoding correctly in translation modules
18:00 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r6851 /tools/translationserver.cgi: proper utf8 support for translation server
18:01 < elnino> has anyone here been able to enable server side spell checker within tinymce?
18:04 <@Haarg> i haven't tried, but it likely broke with the tinymce 3 change
18:05 < elnino> yes, preaction tried it with 7.5.14, and it indead broke, but I'm still on the 7.4 track and I still can't seem to get it to work....
18:05 < elnino> anyone know what version of tinymce the 7.4.x track uses?
18:05 <@Haarg> i could't say about that then
18:06 <@Haarg> tinymce 2
18:07 < SquOnk> For those of you just checking in...
18:08 < SquOnk> I'm getting a weird message in my log
18:08 -!- AMH_bob [n=AMH_bob@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Leaving."]
18:08 < SquOnk> 2008/07/02 07:40:09 - WARN - webgui.conf - Log::Log4perl::Logger::__ANON__[771] - The URL yui/reset-fonts-grids.css was requested, but does not exist in your asset tree.
18:08 < SquOnk> Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the URL should be yui/build/reset-fonts-grids/reset-fonts-grids.css, right?
18:08 < SquOnk> If that's the case, then the template for the header, is setting the URL badly
18:09 < SquOnk> This is a 7.5.14 .tar.gz install with the default theme.
18:09 < SquOnk> (The one going into Debian :-)
18:10 < elnino> to test if you are correct about your url, put it in the browser box and see if the css shows up. I'm still runing 7.4.x, so I can't help much more than that.
18:10 < SquOnk> elnino: It does
18:13 < elnino> I missed the question then...
18:14 <@tavisto> bopbop, I have a half page worth of instructions on how to checkout... Im embarrassed to even send this to the CMSmatrix advertiser
18:14 <@bopbop> yikes- send it to me quick
18:14 <@bopbop> they might not need to do all of it
18:14 <@tavisto> if they weren't over in eastern europe with broken english they could pay us over the phone...
18:14 <@tavisto> k
18:19 <@Haarg> SquOnk, i know about that issue
18:20 < SquOnk> Haarg: Aha! Talk to me :-)
18:20 < SquOnk> Haarg: Will it be fixed in 7.5.15? And when will that be out :-)
18:20 <@Haarg> i'm going to fix it, but it isn't a big deal - it doesn't have the correct path to the file, but we don't want to include it anyway
18:20 <@Haarg> should get it fixed, yeah - tomorrow
18:20 < SquOnk> Haarg: Exactly what I suspected :-)
18:21 < SquOnk> Haarg: My sponsor is checking the package today, and hopefully we will be able to upload 7.5.15
18:21 -!- lisette [n=liraos@201.232.58.66] has quit ["Leaving."]
18:21 < SquOnk> Haarg: Speaking of extras, is tt.js being used?
18:21 <@Haarg> i believe so yes
18:22 <@Haarg> it was recently added
18:22 <@Haarg> apeiron may know more
18:22 < SquOnk> Haarg: It's a third party JS?
18:22 <@Haarg> looks that way
18:22 <@apeiron> Yes, it's used for the widget / static exporting systems.
18:23 < SquOnk> Haarg: I have to include it in the copyright statement for the Debian package. I believe it will NOT be a problem.
18:23 < SquOnk> The rest of the stuff in extras es Copyright plainblack (except yui and tinymce), right?
18:25 <@Haarg> it looks like it
18:26 < SquOnk> Great
18:26 < SquOnk> We're looking good.
18:27 < SquOnk> There's some slowness in the Debian upload process, but it's like that everytime a freeze approaches :-)
18:27 -!- lisette [n=liraos@201.232.58.66] has joined #webgui
18:27 < SquOnk> Counting only in my "area of interest" there's about two dozen _small_ packages waiting for upload. They have been waiting for four days, when usually we upload twelve packages a day :-)
18:28 < SquOnk> So I have enough slack to polish any remaining issues with webgui (which are mostly licensing and proper symlinking of stuff)
18:36 -!- tavisto [n=tavisto@pool-71-120-147-81.gdrpmi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit []
18:46 <@Haarg> apeiron, can you check something for me?
18:47 <@apeiron> Haarg, Sure. What's up?
18:47 <@Haarg> case sensitivity on your computer
18:47 <@apeiron> Yes, it's case sensitive.
18:47 <@apeiron> The Macs, anyway.
18:47 <@Haarg> are you certain?
18:48 <@apeiron> Positive.
18:48 <@apeiron> https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/browse/WebGUI/www/uploads/ and search for jx
18:49 <@Haarg> hmm, i guess jt must have set up your computer like that
18:50 <@apeiron> Er
18:50 <@apeiron> Sorry, *in*sensitive.
18:50 <@apeiron> Sensitive to the jx/jX/JX/Jx thing.
18:51 <@Haarg> um
18:56 <@Haarg> i don't quite see why the svn thing is relevant, but hfs+ is not case sensitive by default.  i'm just wondering any other devs have problems with it.
18:56 <@apeiron> Yeah, I misspoke when I said it is case sensitive.
18:56 <@apeiron> The svn thing is relevant because it shows two directories that differ only by case, which causes a problem on a default OS X installation.
18:56 <@Haarg> yeah, i just fixed that yesterday
18:57 <@apeiron> So, er, how come it's still in svn head? :)
18:57 <@Haarg> example?
18:57 <@apeiron> The link I gave above, search for 'jx'
18:57 <@Haarg> well, yes
18:57 <@Haarg> but it should be that way
18:58 <@apeiron> heh
18:58 <@apeiron> It's broken that way. :)
18:58 <@Haarg> the problem i meant was that there were some uploads in the wrong place
18:58 <@apeiron> No one running OS X can do an svn up / checkout presently with that as it is.
18:58 <@apeiron> I guess they can create a case-sensitive HFS+ partition, but that's it.
18:58 <@Haarg> that's what i did
18:58 <@Haarg> in a disk image
18:59 <@apeiron> heh
18:59 <@apeiron> It can be argued that people shouldn't have to go through that hassle. :)
18:59 <@Haarg> yeah, but there are ways that is dealt with
19:00 -!- cap10morgan [n=cap10mor@h19-afsc.ded.indra.com] has joined #webgui
19:00 -!- mode/#webgui [+v cap10morgan] by ChanServ
19:00 <@Haarg> it's optimized for linux
19:01 <@apeiron> uhm
19:01 <@apeiron> that seems kind of uhm
19:01 <@apeiron> silly
19:01 <@apeiron> Considering the equipment PB staffers have. :)
19:01 <@Haarg> well, it was somewhat a mistake
19:01 <@Haarg> but there is a switch for using case insensitive uploads locations
19:01 <@Haarg> but it is slower
19:02 <@Haarg> anyway, it shouldn't really cause problems for devs
19:02 <@apeiron> I'm not talking about that--I'm talking about the ability to check out the code.
19:02 <@Haarg> it actually fails?
19:02 <@apeiron> Yes!
19:02 <@Haarg> heh
19:02 <@apeiron> Hard fail.
19:02 <@Haarg> wasn't aware of that
19:02 <@apeiron> The only solution is to create a case sensitive partition.
19:04 <@Haarg> i'll have to think about that
19:06 <@Haarg> aside from svn being bitchy it shouldn't matter too much since nobody updates uploads but me
19:08 <@apeiron> s/bitchy/totally preventing svn up and svn co/
19:09 <@apeiron> It's totally broken. It won't work at all.
19:09 <@apeiron> One absolutely cannot do a full checkout or update.
19:09 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui
19:09 -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ
19:11 <@apeiron> You also can't do a checkout *at all* on Windows.
19:11 <@apeiron> I feel that's kinda, uhm, serious
19:12 <@Haarg> not that serious
19:13 <@Haarg> but this should be dealt with one way or another
19:14 -!- SquOnk [n=emhn@201.248.19.52] has quit ["Yippie kay-ai-yay fudder muckers!"]
19:29 < elnino> looking at tinymce, it appears that they only have a spellchecker in other languags other than perl. can someone explain to me how tincymce works with webgui - when webgui is perl?  did Webgui have to specifically integrate it?
19:37 <@Haarg> i think so but i have no idea how the spellchecker works
19:40 -!- tavisto [n=tavisto@pool-71-120-147-81.gdrpmi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #WebGUI
19:40 -!- mode/#webgui [+o tavisto] by ChanServ
19:50 < elnino> I kinda figured.. 
19:52 < elnino> our marketing department wants to change the width of our site, and some minor tweaks, but I'm having caching problems with the templates and css files that I'm using.  So when we go live, I suspect that there will be people looking at part-new and part-old. which was indeed the case when marketing presented the "new look" to the CEO.  (bad day for them) Is there something I can do to minimize that type of thing happening when we go live
19:52 < elnino>  with this?  
19:52 < elnino> It's esentially theh same design, just different width (banner, menu and content are affected) and background image added.
20:04 < elnino> forget what I wrote above, this is what I'm asking:
20:05 < elnino> css and images are being cached in the user's browser, I can work around that, my question is, do templates get cached in a users' browser?
20:07 < elnino> GOSH DANG IT.  Marketing committed something they should have.. If I roll it back, do I loose all those changes?
20:07 < elnino> *should not have*
20:20 < elnino> never mind I'm done for today. Have a good day/evening!
20:21 -!- elnino [n=ninow@user-38q49cv.cable.mindspring.com] has quit ["Leaving"]
20:39 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r6852 /WebGUI/ (16 files in 10 dirs): removing uploads conflicts with case insentitive fs
20:55 <@apeiron> Haarg, Thank you, sir.
21:05 -!- spytheman [n=dido@78.90.30.32] has joined #webgui
21:32 -!- snapcount [n=snapcoun@andc-fw1.exploreos.com] has joined #webgui
22:02 -!- topsub [n=josh@97.66.185.250] has joined #webgui
22:16 -!- lisette [n=liraos@201.232.58.66] has left #webgui []
22:45 -!- spytheman [n=dido@78.90.30.32] has left #webgui []
22:45 -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat039.mxim.com] has joined #webgui
22:46 < perlDreamer> argh
22:46 < perlDreamer> 4 hour monster meeting
23:07 < perlDreamer> Haarg, 7.4.15 release is tomorrow?
23:11 -!- metalman [n=metalman@208.78.97.46] has joined #webgui
23:19 < perlDreamer> tavisto, I have a modified product template that displays the thank you message and a view cart link.
23:19 < perlDreamer> Do you have time to look at it?
23:19 <@tavisto> omg.. I was just coming back into here to see what's up
23:20 <@tavisto> good timing pD!
23:20 <@tavisto> heck yeah I have time
23:20 < perlDreamer> actually, I'm going to email you 3 packages.  I'd like you to check them all, if that's okay.
23:20 < perlDreamer> they're 7.5.15 pre-release
23:20 <@tavisto> alright, just apply to a demo
23:20 <@tavisto> beta demo
23:20 < perlDreamer> I'm going to a $dayJob meeting in 9 minutes.  I'll email them to you ;)
23:21 <@tavisto> I mean, I will of course :)
23:21 <@tavisto> oh yeah for sure... sorry didn't mean to imply I need you to do it
23:21 < perlDreamer> sweet
23:25 < perlDreamer> be back later.  Feel free to leave comments here or to email me.
23:32 <@tavisto> alright thanks perlDreamer
23:45 -!- slickware [n=slick@c-76-119-132-119.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #webgui
23:46 < slickware> hey all.
23:46 < slickware> can the Package utility be used to take an entire site from one server to another?
23:46 <@preaction> hola
23:46 <@preaction> yes, with caveats.
23:46 <@tavisto> I believe the answer to your question is.. maybe
23:46 <@tavisto> ;)
23:46 <@preaction> some things aren't covered by packages. like Shortcut Overrides
23:47 <@tavisto> *drumroll for preaction's answer*
23:47 -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui
23:47 -!- mode/#webgui [+o rizen] by ChanServ
23:47 <@tavisto> and that's basically why I hate Rizen... Any questions?
23:47 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@41.sub-75-207-192.myvzw.com] has quit ["Leaving"]
23:47 < slickware> I really just want my images directory, my stylesheet, and my style template packaged.
23:48 < slickware> I don't even have any wobjects being used except for 'search', but I could kill that temporarily if necessary
23:48 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r6853 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.5.15/default_product.wgpkg: change the default product template to show the thank you message and a ViewCart link immediately after adding to the cart
23:56 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: perlDreamer, steveo_aa
23:57 -!- Netsplit over, joins: perlDreamer, steveo_aa
--- Day changed Thu Jul 03 2008
00:03 < dionak> you could place those under a folder and package the folder
00:03 < dionak> for instance, a theme folder
00:03 < slickware> they are, at the moment actually
00:03 < slickware> /root/themes or something
00:04 < dionak> we've found it's easier to move an entire site by dumping the db and compressing the uploads. 
00:04 < dionak> gotta watch out for version differences tho b/c the schema could change between versions.
00:21 -!- bopbop [n=kmccombs@71-90-18-149.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit ["that's all folks"]
00:24 < slickware> sweet - the folder packaging worked great.
00:27 < perlDreamer> tavisto, talk to me buddy
00:34 -!- KlausH [n=KlausH@p5B071091.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["bye"]
00:39 -!- slickware [n=slick@c-76-119-132-119.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #webgui []
00:40 -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit []
00:43 <@tavisto> yo I tried out the product template already
00:43 < perlDreamer> and...
00:43 <@tavisto> I am putting my feedback in an email but I can post it for you right now if you'd like
00:44 <@tavisto> I already have the product feedback done
00:45 < perlDreamer> I'll wait :) 
00:45 < perlDreamer> email on
00:46 <@tavisto> k good I figured I wouldn't spam the channel
00:50 < perlDreamer> _everyone_ wants to know what's wrong with Shop, dude
00:55 <@tavisto> hmm I just realized that my suggestion on the product is actually rectified by turning the title off on the product
00:56 < perlDreamer> which suggestion is that?
00:56 <@tavisto> perlDreamer, what if we took the product title out of that template and instead put the productname variable in the thank you message
00:56 <@tavisto> that way by default it would always say something like
00:57 <@tavisto> "A <product name here> has been added to your cart."
00:58 < perlDreamer> That would take some code changes, including templating the thank you message.  I'd like to stick to straight forward usage of existing code now, just for the sake of expediency.
00:58 -!- topsub [n=josh@97.66.185.250] has quit ["Leaving"]
00:59 <@tavisto> ah okay, well in that case... turning off the title does work and it's functionally correct
00:59 <@tavisto> the product, it's drop down menu and variants are all removed
01:00 <@tavisto> a continue shopping option would be sweet at some point too but then again it's not a must have right now
01:00 < perlDreamer> that's going to be hard
01:00 < perlDreamer> Because you have to keep track of where you came from, either a shelf, which is like a shortcut, or a parent container (folder, layout, etc)
01:00 <@tavisto> personally, for now it's not a big deal to manually add it next to view cart. :)  Customized for whoever is using the shop
01:00 < perlDreamer> Yeah
01:01 < perlDreamer> It just goes in the template.
01:01 <@tavisto> I'm cool with that
01:01 <@tavisto> yep
01:08 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-226-44-250.client.mchsi.com] has joined #WebGUI
01:17 < perlDreamer> tavisto: You're okay with the fact that when you go back to the page with the Product on it that the Add to Cart button comes back?
01:22 <@tavisto> yeah because it's already after you have gotten the confirmation
01:22 <@tavisto> wow we have a huge storm here in Michigan right now
01:23 <@tavisto> perlDreamer, it appears that the "add to cart" button sticks around when you see the "The Coupon has been added to the cart.
01:23 <@preaction> yeah, Frank just reported huge storm where he lives, so i've got like 45 minutes to get a bike ride in before it hits me
01:23 <@tavisto> yep, it's monsterous here.. an hour north of me is a huge city called Grand Rapids.. Most of the city is currently without power I hear... baaad
01:24 <@tavisto> monstrous even.. gah
01:26 <@tavisto> perlDreamer, so for the flat rate coupon, the add to cart button needs to be replaced with the ^ViewCart;
01:33 -!- dionak [n=dionak@97.66.185.250] has quit []
01:37 <@tavisto> Also, if a coupon has a description, it is appearing above the thank you message once you "add to cart".
01:38 <@tavisto> Obviously, the description doesn't need to appear there.  :)
01:46 <@tavisto> I'm off to dinner.. I'll see what else I can come up with and will be in touch
01:46 -!- tavisto [n=tavisto@pool-71-120-147-81.gdrpmi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit []
01:50 -!- tavisto [n=tavisto@pool-71-120-147-81.gdrpmi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #WebGUI
01:50 -!- mode/#webgui [+o tavisto] by ChanServ
01:51 < CIA-6> WebGUI: translation * r6854 /translations/Ukrainian/ (147 files in 2 dirs): Update from translation server
01:54 -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat039.mxim.com] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"]
01:54 -!- tavisto [n=tavisto@pool-71-120-147-81.gdrpmi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has left #WebGUI []
01:58 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [Connection timed out]
02:26 -!- snapcount [n=snapcoun@andc-fw1.exploreos.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
02:52 -!- doc7777 [n=Doc@10.187-available-ethint-fratm-cc.sccoast.net] has joined #webgui
03:09 -!- doc7777 [n=Doc@10.187-available-ethint-fratm-cc.sccoast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
03:10 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui
03:10 -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ
03:30 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui
03:30 -!- mode/#webgui [+v Radix-wrk] by ChanServ
03:41 -!- patspam [n=patspam@ppp59-167-77-127.lns1.mel6.internode.on.net] has quit ["Leaving."]
03:51 -!- cap10morgan [n=cap10mor@h19-afsc.ded.indra.com] has quit []
03:54 -!- patspam [n=patspam@ppp59-167-77-127.lns1.mel6.internode.on.net] has joined #webgui
04:01 -!- metalman [n=metalman@208.78.97.46] has quit ["Lost terminal"]
04:31 -!- tavisto [n=tavisto@pool-71-120-147-81.gdrpmi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #WebGUI
04:31 -!- mode/#webgui [+o tavisto] by ChanServ
04:48 -!- dionak [n=dionak@cpe-024-074-132-143.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui
05:00 -!- dionak [n=dionak@cpe-024-074-132-143.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit []
05:10 -!- tavisto [n=tavisto@pool-71-120-147-81.gdrpmi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit []
06:35 -!- cap10morgan [n=cap10mor@206-124-6-241.denver.dsl.forethought.net] has joined #webgui
06:35 -!- mode/#webgui [+v cap10morgan] by ChanServ
07:09 < patspam> anyone know why Apache2::Reload isn't configured for the dev WRE anymore?
07:16 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: f00li5h
07:17 -!- f00li5h [n=f00li5h@c211-30-187-137.thorn1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #webgui
07:20 < patspam> hmm i get the feeling Class::InsideOut is the culprit again..
07:21 < patspam> Module::Refresh doesn't seem to like it either
08:10 -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-245-101-253.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has joined #webgui
08:10 < perlDreamer> anyone know how to configure selinux so that httpd won't puke?
08:18 -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-245-101-253.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has quit ["Leaving."]
09:29 < CIA-6> WebGUI: patspam * r6855 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/TabForm.pm: Fixed bug in TabForm.pm SYNOPSIS
09:33 -!- AMH_bob [n=AMH_bob@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui
09:36 -!- ryuu_ro [n=rory@gw.oqapi.nl] has joined #webgui
10:07 -!- KlausH [n=KlausH@p5B0701D0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #webgui
10:12 -!- dapperedodo [n=joeri@87.213.33.210] has joined #webgui
11:01 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"]
11:54 < CIA-6> WebGUI: patspam * r6856 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (15 files in 11 dirs): 
11:54 < CIA-6> WebGUI: WebGUI_flux: better benchmarking code
11:54 < CIA-6> WebGUI: The beginnings of a Flux Admin GUI
11:54 < CIA-6> WebGUI: Ability to turn Flux on/off site-wide
13:58 -!- khenn [n=khenn@68-114-220-93.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit []
14:15 -!- patspam [n=patspam@ppp59-167-77-127.lns1.mel6.internode.on.net] has quit ["Leaving."]
15:21 -!- slickware [n=slick@c-76-119-132-119.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #webgui
15:41 -!- nuba [n=nuba@hq.imaterial.org] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
15:46 < slickware> is there, any longer, a "display list of upcoming calendar events" option?
15:47 < slickware> I thought there used to be an events calendar
15:47 < slickware> or a different display type... I miss small_calendar!
15:47 -!- vayde [n=vayde@63-226-151-4.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #webgui
15:53 -!- nuba [n=nuba@hq.imaterial.org] has joined #webgui
15:54 < SDuensin> Greetings.
16:10 -!- dionak [n=dionak@97.66.185.250] has joined #webgui
16:10 < ckotil> Good Morning
16:12 < ckotil> SDuensin: what heartbeat monitoring software do you use? i seem to recall you recommended an alternative to ganglia some time ago
16:13 < SDuensin> Not I.  Sorry.
16:14  * SDuensin has Zenoss installed, but hasn't really used it.
16:17 -!- vayde [n=vayde@63-226-151-4.mpls.qwest.net] has quit ["Exit- stage left"]
16:17 -!- doc777 [n=Doc@10.187-available-ethint-fratm-cc.sccoast.net] has joined #webgui
16:21 -!- snapcount [n=snapcoun@andc-fw1.exploreos.com] has joined #webgui
16:22 -!- bopbop [n=kmccombs@71-90-18-149.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui
16:22 -!- mode/#webgui [+o bopbop] by ChanServ
16:30 -!- khenn [n=khenn@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #WebGUI
16:30 -!- mode/#webgui [+o khenn] by ChanServ
16:47 -!- jfluhmann [n=jfluhman@x170y043.angelo.edu] has joined #webgui
16:47 -!- jfluhmann [n=jfluhman@x170y043.angelo.edu] has left #webgui ["Open Source Symposium - http://www.texasoss.org/"]
16:49 -!- doc777 [n=Doc@10.187-available-ethint-fratm-cc.sccoast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
16:52 -!- tavisto [n=tavisto@pool-71-120-147-81.gdrpmi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #WebGUI
16:52 -!- mode/#webgui [+o tavisto] by ChanServ
17:20 -!- juan [n=juangui@201.232.58.66] has joined #webgui
17:21 < ckotil> k. ya, its not zenoss
17:24 -!- dapperedodo [n=joeri@87.213.33.210] has left #webgui []
17:27 -!- bartjol [n=bartjol@194.171.50.123] has joined #webgui
17:33 -!- ryuu_ro [n=rory@gw.oqapi.nl] has quit []
17:38 -!- lisette [n=liraos@201.232.58.66] has joined #webgui
17:46 -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat039.mxim.com] has joined #webgui
17:51 < lisette> hello, i to create a collaboration system by a macro, but i don't see the icon of RSS, what i must do?
17:52 < perlDreamer> lisette: check the template for the right variables
17:52 < lisette> the RSS i see enabled and in the database is in 1
17:52 < perlDreamer> yes, but is the rss url template variable in your template?
17:54 < lisette> rssTemplateId=>'PBtmpl0000000000000142',  
17:54 < perlDreamer> getting closer
17:54 < perlDreamer> There is a Collaboration system template
17:54 < perlDreamer> inside that template, it must have the rss url template variable
17:57 < bartjol> <tmpl_var rss.url> ?
17:58 -!- khenn [n=khenn@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit []
17:58 < perlDreamer> away to meeting
17:58 < lisette> i search, wait me please
17:58 < bartjol> bye PD
17:58 < lisette> i have this in the template, <tmpl_if rss.url>
17:58 < lisette> <a href="<tmpl_var rss.url>">RSS</a>
17:58 < lisette> </tmpl_if>
18:00 < lisette> if i do edit and save, without any change, and after that if it works
18:05 -!- AMH_bob [n=AMH_bob@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Leaving."]
18:10 < bartjol> you mean it works right now? without changing? strange...
18:10 < bartjol> I think it is a feature :)
18:10 < lisette> no
18:10 < bartjol> oh
18:11 < lisette> what I mean is that it has always been the case and I want to know how can I fix
18:12 < bartjol> it is the default RSS  template right?
18:12 < lisette> I think the collaboration system from a macro, but the icon rss does not appear, but if I go after established and editing without making any changes and then I save, if there showed me the icon.
18:13 < bartjol> I see the same id, so probably yes
18:13 -!- khenn [n=khenn@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #WebGUI
18:13 -!- mode/#webgui [+o khenn] by ChanServ
18:13 < lisette> yes that?
18:14 < bartjol> yes, it is the template I'm looking at
18:14 < bartjol> but
18:15 < bartjol> I see no tmpl_var rss.url
18:16 < bartjol> so it is only the same tmpl id
18:16 < bartjol> what version?
18:16 < bartjol> od webgui?
18:16 < lisette> 7.4.40
18:18 < bartjol> also not in a 7.4.21 en not in 7.5.9
18:18 < bartjol> sorry, I don't have a 7.4.40 available
18:22 < bartjol> so what template is it about? pretend that I'm really stupid (shouldn't be to hard) en lead me the way to your default template
18:23 < bartjol> step by step
18:23 < lisette> i have a macro that creates a collaboration system
18:23 < bartjol> created yourself?
18:23 < lisette> and in the template have a  <tmpl_if rss.url>
18:23 < lisette> (09:59:01) lisette: <a href="<tmpl_var rss.url>">RSS</a>
18:23 < lisette> (09:59:01) lisette: </tmpl_if>
18:24 < lisette> but the icon of RSS don't shows me
18:24 < bartjol> so your using the variable as a boolean and a value
18:25 < bartjol> but what icon should you see?
18:26 < lisette> The symbol of RSS
18:26 < lisette> in my case the text that i do
18:26 < bartjol> ok, then I understand, just the linktext it is
18:27 < lisette> yes
18:28 < bartjol> well it dpends on how tmpl_if looks to the problem I think. Right now it looks like it doesn't understand that if (in perl-like language)
18:28 < bartjol> if($rssurl) {
18:28 < bartjol> print "link with url";
18:28 < bartjol> }
18:29 -!- Sara [n=Camilo@201.232.58.66] has joined #webgui
18:30 < bartjol> so maybe the if only wants to see a numer (normally 0 or 1)
18:31 < lisette> i can do this in any macro?
18:31 < lisette> or in the macro that creates the collaboration?
18:35 < bartjol> no you can't
18:35 < bartjol> only if you give the right parameters
18:35 < bartjol> and even then I'm not sure
18:36 < bartjol> I don't really understand the use of such a macro, but that is my problem
18:36 < bartjol> to many things have to be set
18:36 < bartjol> too many
18:41 < bartjol> but I have to have food, so I'm going home, have dinner and play soccer, have fun hacking
18:41 -!- bartjol [n=bartjol@194.171.50.123] has left #webgui []
18:53 -!- tavisto [n=tavisto@pool-71-120-147-81.gdrpmi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit []
19:33 -!- snapcount [n=snapcoun@andc-fw1.exploreos.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
19:50 -!- gggp [n=giulio@189.34.205.91] has joined #webgui
19:52 < dionak> is sql form being removed in the near future? topsub isn't seeing it in the latest version
19:52 -!- topsub [n=josh@97.66.185.250] has joined #webgui
19:56 < dionak> looks like the answer to my question is yes
19:56 <@bopbop> it is being removed in favor of Thingy
19:56 <@bopbop> I think there is a way to maintain it though if you're using it already
19:56 < dionak> but thingy is so very young
19:56 < slickware> ugh. I'm on PB Agency hosting. I imported a package, got it working. Then I unchecked the "make package" box so it would disappear
19:56 < slickware> but every time I log out/back in again, the package re-appears
19:59 < dionak> thingy hasn't even been released or adopted yet. so deprecating another asset in favor of it seems very premature.
20:00 < dionak> slickware, is there an open version tag?
20:00 -!- gggp [n=giulio@189.34.205.91] has left #webgui ["Saindo"]
20:00 <@preaction> dionak, it's not being included in new installs of webgui, and if you're not using it on the site, it will be removed. if you are using it, it will remain.
20:01 < dionak> so upgrading won't be a problem then?
20:01 < dionak> that sounds promising
20:01 <@preaction> unless you upgrade, SQLForm wasn't being used (so got deletec), and THEN you want to use the SQLForm
20:02 <@preaction> then you'd have to re-install it. it's available as a branch in http://svn.webgui.org (don't know if there will be other ways to get it)
20:02 < dionak> gotcha
20:02 < dionak> so we'll have to maintain it going forward if we want to keep it
20:03 <@preaction> basically
20:03 < dionak> ok, thanks for the info.
20:03 < dionak> does anyone here have experience with the event management system?
20:05 < dionak> we're going to be serving multiple sites off of one install. one site offers seminars and the others are for events (like conferences). debating on using one ems or multiples. multiples seems like it would be a management pain. 
20:06 <@preaction> you probably want multiples. from what i understand the EMS is designed to handle one event
20:06 < dionak> you're right..
20:06 <@preaction> that is, the EMS shows all the available Badges, Events, and Ribbons that are inside of it
20:06 < dionak> events could be workshops, for instance?
20:07 <@preaction> yeah
20:07 <@preaction> we use the EMS for the WUC
20:08 < dionak> i'll probably have more questions but that helps. haven't used the ems before. 
20:09 < dionak> there's no way to associate speakers to an event is there?
20:10 < dionak> doesn't appear to be...(hence the sqlform). we could theoretically use thingy for managing speakers but we didn't see how to associate speakers to an event.
20:10 <@preaction> there's no resource management built into the EMS yet, no
20:11 <@preaction> that would be a very welcome addition though
20:13 < dionak> who wrote the ems? rizen?
20:16 < dionak> are there any specs for the ems? that would be helpful.
20:17 < slickware> dionak: there is no longer an open version tag
20:17 < slickware> dionak: I commit them all after login and the package disappears (for a while)
20:18 < dionak> sounds like a support issue
20:18 < dionak> since you're on shared hosting
20:21 < slickware> ah. it was me being an idiot
20:21 < slickware> I packaged one site from a private server onto the agency host
20:21 < slickware> deleted the package from the agency host
20:21 < slickware> and then logged back in (accidentally) to the private host and saw the package still there
20:32 < topsub> Question, Where are events stored in the database?
20:32 < topsub> for 7.5.10
20:33 < topsub> nvr mind
20:36 -!- tavisto [n=tavisto@pool-71-120-147-81.gdrpmi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #WebGUI
20:36 -!- mode/#webgui [+o tavisto] by ChanServ
20:56 -!- snapcount [n=snapcoun@andc-fw1.exploreos.com] has joined #webgui
21:23 < SDuensin> Any Linux experts here that can answer a non-WebGUI question?
21:29 <@Haarg> possibly
21:29 <@apeiron> It may be wiser to ask in the channel devoted to your vendor's products, though.
21:29 <@apeiron> More people, more eyes, at the very least.
21:35 < perlDreamer> Indeed.  I asked a SELinux question in here last night at 11:00pm PDT and got nothing back.
21:41 < SDuensin> Yea.  They weren't helpful.  :-)
21:41 < SDuensin> It's OK.  I've decided to just hack it.
21:51 -!- snapcount [n=snapcoun@andc-fw1.exploreos.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
22:02 -!- lisette [n=liraos@201.232.58.66] has left #webgui []
22:25 < dionak> does anyone know where the EventManagementSystem_products table is defined to be created? I see where it's dropped in the upgrade...but not seeing the create statement. It's missing from my system
22:26 < dionak> EventManagementSystem table is in create.sql...
22:27 < dionak> EventManagementSystem_products looks like it was added in 7.3.15
22:27 < perlDreamer> I think that's dead code
22:27 < perlDreamer> buildMenu, calls _getFieldHash which calls _getAllEvents
22:27 < perlDreamer> I don't see buildMenu ever being called
22:28 <@preaction> it's probably best not to try to understand the old EMS. on with the new EMS!
22:28 < perlDreamer> preaction: How do you tell the difference? :)
22:29 < dionak> good question.
22:29 <@preaction> iirc the new EMS doesn't have a second, "pseudo-cart" for badges that haven't been added to the Real cart yet
22:29 < dionak> i'm looking at svn
22:29 <@preaction> that pseudo-cart, btw, caused at least a dozen bugs
22:29 < dionak> so the references in EventManagementSystem.pm to EventManagementSystem_products are pointless?
22:29 <@preaction> Ribbons were added, Badges are no longer also Events
22:30 < dionak> maybe the methods aren't called..
22:30 < perlDreamer> I think so, dionak
22:30 < perlDreamer> that's what I'm seeing
22:30 < perlDreamer> addToScratchCart isn't called
22:30 < dionak> ok...yea, i see.
22:31 < dionak> i was trying to see if i could manage webinars using the ems
22:31 < dionak> i'm thinking 'no' atm
22:31 <@preaction> the new EMS uses that _products table
22:31 < dionak> b/c i would have to have an ems for each one? 
22:31 < perlDreamer> Don't know.  I'm EMS-ignorant
22:32 <@preaction> no, you should be able to handle webinars using the EMS
22:32 < dionak> what gets added to the products table? badges?
22:32 <@preaction> but, i too am EMS illiterate
22:32 < perlDreamer> Badges, Ribbons, Tickets, Tokens
22:32 < dionak> oh my!
22:32 < perlDreamer> looking at WebGUI/Asset/Sku
22:32 < dionak> haha
22:33 <@preaction> maybe the new EMS is easier to use
22:33 <@preaction> like the new Shop
22:33 < perlDreamer> You're a funny man, preaction.
22:33 < dionak> i believe i must be looking at the new ems..
22:34 <@preaction> dionak, 7.5.11 it was added i believe
22:34 < dionak> ok, i'm on 7.5.13. i live on the edge
22:35 < dionak> EMS seems like a conference managing tool rather than abstracted events. 
22:36 <@preaction> it is designed that way, yes, but you should be able to ... jury-rig it a bit
22:36 < perlDreamer> Just tell it the conference is really long
22:37 <@preaction> are you working on a subscription model? or selling individual tickets?
22:37 < dionak> individual
22:37 < dionak> there are 3 different type of events total. annual conferences, webinars and seminars
22:37 -!- tavisto [n=tavisto@pool-71-120-147-81.gdrpmi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit []
22:38 <@preaction> but each event will have to be purchased seperately, correct? 
22:38 <@preaction> no matter what
22:38 < dionak> yes
22:38 -!- snapcount [n=snapcoun@andc-fw1.exploreos.com] has joined #webgui
22:38 < dionak> event descriptions would not really change between events
22:38 -!- Sara1 [n=Camilo@201.232.58.66] has joined #webgui
22:38 < dionak> for instance a webinar description stays the same. 
22:38 <@preaction> in that case, you would probably make a Badge for each Event
22:39 < dionak> the only issue i see with that is there is no date associated to a badge.
22:39 < dionak> or time, right?
22:39 < perlDreamer> Could you put it in the Badge title?
22:39 < dionak> hm, it's an idea..
22:39 < dionak> how would it expire?
22:39 < perlDreamer> manually, probably
22:40 < dionak> hm. not sure that would work for the client. 
22:40 -!- bopbop [n=kmccombs@71-90-18-149.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit []
22:40 <@preaction> i think your goal, then, would be a way to buy a ticket without having to buy a badge
22:40 <@preaction> but, i also think that was considered and rejected, but a lot of stuff was rejected (all due to time constraints)
22:42 < dionak> ok, that makes sense b/c tickets have dates and times. i wonder how hard that would be? 
22:42 < dionak> that is what i need, basically
22:42 < dionak> looking
22:42 <@preaction> i don't know, you'd have to ask JT about that one (he re-wrote this ground-up in something like 2 weeks)
22:42 < perlDreamer> nice catch, apeiron
22:43 < dionak> perhaps requiring badges could be a configuration option. ok, i'll try to catch up with him
22:43 <@preaction> the only thing i worry about is this: it may be designed so that there is No Way to add tickets without a badge :(
22:43 < CIA-6> WebGUI: chrisn * r6857 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/AssetLineage.pm: Fix the "get all assets" code example in getLineage to show that getRoot needs a $session.
22:43 -!- doc777 [n=Doc@10.187-available-ethint-fratm-cc.sccoast.net] has joined #webgui
22:44 < dionak> thanks for the input guys
22:44 <@preaction> but something as simple as a "Allow Ticket to be purchased without a Badge" flag might work
22:45 < doc777> Hello friends. Is it normal to pull up a webgui site and browse all the files in the root folder like: http://www.plainblack.com/root/import  . I just noticed my site is the same way...
22:45 < perlDreamer> yes
22:45 < perlDreamer> those files need to be visible to the user since images and other collateral are stored in there
22:45 < perlDreamer> See lots of discussion in bugs and forum on it.
22:46 < doc777> ok  ;-)  I found em scattered all over google
22:46 <@preaction> edit your robots.txt
22:46 <@apeiron> wow, they're all over Google?
22:46 <@preaction> example.com/robots.txt?func=edit
22:46 <@apeiron> That means that Visitor can access them, no?
22:46 <@preaction> yes
22:47 -!- tavisto [n=tavisto@pool-71-120-147-81.gdrpmi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #WebGUI
22:47 -!- mode/#webgui [+o tavisto] by ChanServ
22:48 < perlDreamer> tavisto, I have approximately 55 minutes for template hacking.
22:48 < perlDreamer> What's tops on your list?
22:48 <@tavisto> ooh lets see
22:48 -!- lisette [n=lramirez@201.232.58.66] has joined #webgui
22:48 <@tavisto> did you get my msgs from last night?
22:48 < perlDreamer> yes, but they're at home on $laptop
22:48 < perlDreamer> right now I'm at $dayJob
22:48 <@tavisto> ah okay
22:49 < perlDreamer> I remember one of them
22:49 < perlDreamer> the AddToCart button on the Coupon requires code which won't be released until 7.5.15
22:49 < perlDreamer> so no worries on that one
22:50 -!- juan [n=juangui@201.232.58.66] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
22:50 <@tavisto> on the subscription or flat rate discount coupon.... the thank you message screen showed the "add to cart" button instead of the ^ViewCart;
22:50 <@tavisto> or is that what you're referring to
22:51 < perlDreamer> Just on the coupon
22:51 < perlDreamer> I'll have a look at the Subscription
22:51 <@tavisto> lets see
22:52 -!- Sara [n=Camilo@201.232.58.66] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
22:54 -!- juan [n=juangui@201.232.58.66] has joined #webgui
22:56 < perlDreamer> tavisto, the Subscription also depends on 7.5.15 code
22:56 < perlDreamer> so you're good there, too
22:56 < perlDreamer> I'm guessing that 7.5.15 will come out today
22:56 < perlDreamer> since it's Thursday
23:04 < doc777> In my: default-gallery-view-album template there is the line: <!-- FIXME: Add perpage form --> does anyone know if this has been fixed yet? It controls the previous and next page for the gallery I think and I sorely need it ;)
23:05 <@preaction> doc777, no, it doesn't control the next and previous pages. it just does the perpage form
23:06 < doc777> My gallery albums just seem to scroll on and on and there is never a next page... I cannot seem to find where to change or add "per page". Am I missing something or is it just not written?  ;-)
23:08 <@preaction> 25 or 50 is the default per page
23:08 <@preaction> but, i thought i made that settable in the Gallery properties
23:09 < doc777> Think we stopped at 21 as these are big pictures and it was getting slow. I have not found where I can set it though...
23:09 < dionak> so it looks like ribbons replace the cost of a badge in the EMS. The badge become $0.00 and the price of the ribbon is used for the checkout.
23:09 <@preaction> nope, maybe not. the List Albums view defaults to 25 or 50
23:10 <@preaction> the View Album view can have fewer files, which is settable in the latest release of WebGUI
23:10 <@preaction> the thumbnails and slideshow views both show all at all times (since there is no reason to do otherwise)
23:10 < doc777> Thank you for your help preaction. Is there a way I can edit something and make it about 15 maybe?
23:11 <@preaction> in the latest beta releast of WebGUI, there's a Default Files Per Page setting in the Gallery properties
23:11 <@preaction> but, again, nothing for Albums themselves
23:12 <@preaction> if the perpage form was added, it wouldn't change the default. the default setting would have to be added
23:12 <@preaction> Default Albums Per Page, for example
23:13 <@preaction> you could go into the Gallery code and change what you wanted, but i would not recommend it, and it would have to be re-done every time you upgrade
23:13 <@preaction> or you could add the feature, submit an RFE and attach the patch, and then it would probably get added quickly
23:14 < doc777> Pretty scared to upgrade.... have a whole lot of work in the site and am not using the wre (gentoo). Is there a file containing the default value that can edited.
23:14 <@preaction> the lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Gallery.pm file
23:15 < doc777> Thanks!
23:15 <@preaction> but doing this, stopping yourself from being able to upgrade, is a very bad idea
23:15 <@preaction> if you want, you could make your own sub-class of the Gallery to hold your changes
23:15 < doc777> When I have 2 full days and a really good back up I will upgrade ;)
23:15 <@preaction> or, as i said, you could make a patch to go into WebGUI
23:15 <@preaction> you're being overly scared. upgrading in the 7.x series is not difficult at all
23:15 < doc777> But tomorow is the 4rth of july and do not want to still be here ;)
23:16 < doc777> grins years of experience and failure to blame I guess...
23:18 <@preaction> oh, i did plenty of my own 5.x and 6.x upgrades to know where you're coming from, and i always get annoyed that they go so quickly and so smoothly now that i cancelled all my plans that night for nothing :p
23:18 <@tavisto> perlDreamer, I dont know of any more template work to do
23:18 <@tavisto> er that can be done... however I noticed I get lots of proxy errors when i remove items from the cart
23:18 <@tavisto> if you take a beta demo right now
23:19 <@tavisto> and add 10-15 items to the cart you'll get 2-3 that give you the proxy error
23:19 <@tavisto> (when using the remove button)
23:25 -!- khenn [n=khenn@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit []
23:30 < perlDreamer> proxy error?
23:31 < perlDreamer> can you paste me some output into a paste?  webgui.pastebin.com
23:32 < perlDreamer> I'll just try it :)
23:33 -!- khenn [n=khenn@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #WebGUI
23:34 -!- mode/#webgui [+o khenn] by ChanServ
23:34 -!- khenn [n=khenn@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
23:38 -!- doc777 [n=Doc@10.187-available-ethint-fratm-cc.sccoast.net] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"]
23:38 < juan>  i have a site configured like www.example.net.co and now i want to change it to www.example.com.co.  if i change it in the config file and the apache configuration , is enough?
23:38 < perlDreamer> I think you also need to change it in the settings
23:39 < perlDreamer> Settings in the Admin Console
23:39 < juan> and all the path automatically will change
23:39 < perlDreamer> as long as they are not hardcoded in any content, yes
23:40 < perlDreamer> lisette: Are you still having your RSS problems?  Can you show me a site with the problem?
23:40 < lisette> yes
23:46 < Sara1> PerlDreamer
23:46 < Sara1> http://www.tareanet.edu.co/home/mi-zona/usuarios/blogs
23:46 < Sara1> You can see the problem in this link
23:47 < perlDreamer> I'm going to need a little help with the Spanish content.  Where should I be looking?
23:48 < Sara1> there are many cs's, the most of this can't the rss option disable
23:48 < Sara1> But other cs's has the option
23:49 < Sara1> Agregar = add
23:49 < perlDreamer> okay
23:49 < Sara1> suscribir = suscribe
23:49 < Sara1> Buscar = search
23:49 < perlDreamer> The Admin has an RSS link
23:49 < Sara1> YEs
23:49 < Sara1> the cs's admin
23:49 < perlDreamer> but others on the page do not have the RSS link
23:49 < perlDreamer> are they supposed to have the RSS link?
23:50 < Sara1> yes, it is
23:50 < perlDreamer> so you want them _all_ to have the RSS link?  Every CS on the page?
23:50 < Sara1> Yes
23:50 < Sara1> all the cs has the same cs weblog template
23:51 < perlDreamer> and each one has the Enable RSS option turned on in the Display tab?
23:51 < Sara1> Tes
23:51 < Sara1> YEs
23:52 < Sara1> The cs has been created with a macro
23:52 < Sara1> And all the settings options it's ok, but the rss option only show when i have edited the cs, and save it
23:53 < perlDreamer> ah
23:53 < perlDreamer> okay
23:53 < Sara1> PErlDreamer, please look this
23:53 < Sara1> The lrestrepo blog
23:53 < Sara1> Can you see it?
23:53 < perlDreamer> yes
23:53 < Sara1> It don't has the rss option enable
23:54 < Sara1> but wait please
23:54 < Sara1> Im going to edit and save
23:54 < perlDreamer> okay.  After you make the change, please flush the cache since I'm visitor on that site.
23:55 < Sara1> It's ready
23:55 < perlDreamer> Now it's showing up.
23:56 < perlDreamer> I'm going to test that on 7.5 and see if it's the same
23:56 < perlDreamer> If so, you've found a bug.
23:56 < Sara1> Please Ctrl F5
23:56 < perlDreamer> What is Ctrl F5?
23:56 < Sara1> I have edited and saved it, and the rss option is showed
23:56 <@apeiron> IE force refresh
23:56 <@apeiron> (since refresh in IE doesn't actually mean refresh)
23:56 <@preaction> Shift + F5 for firefox
23:57 <@preaction> or just Refresh for Safari
23:57 < perlDreamer> When I reloaded the page, it came up.
23:57  * apeiron loves IE
23:57 < perlDreamer> This seems to work okay on 7.5
23:57 < perlDreamer> so it must be a 7.4.40 bug
23:57 < Sara1> Ok
23:58 < Sara1> but i dont found the reason to this
23:58 < Sara1> maybe a bug
23:58 < perlDreamer> Sara1, if you add a CS in the normal way does it work the same way?
23:58 < perlDreamer> Is it only the CS created by the macro that has this problem/
23:58 < Sara1> I f i add a new cs it don't happen
23:59 < perlDreamer> hm
23:59 < Sara1> The css show all the options
23:59 < perlDreamer> Asi, es solo los CS hecho por el macro que tiene la problema?
23:59 < Sara1> Exactly
23:59 < Sara1> =)
--- Day changed Fri Jul 04 2008
00:00 < perlDreamer> Puedo yo veo el macro, por favor?  Please use the webgui.pastebin.com
00:00 < Sara1> Ok please wait
00:01 -!- tavisto [n=tavisto@pool-71-120-147-81.gdrpmi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has left #WebGUI []
00:01 < perlDreamer> Sara1, I think this is a bug in 7.5, too.
00:02 < lisette> http://webgui.pastebin.com/d565ae380
00:03 < perlDreamer> Yes.  This will also is broken in 7.5.
00:03 < perlDreamer> The good news is that it can probably be fixed.
00:04 < perlDreamer> preaction: do you have 5 minutes?
00:04 <@preaction> pourquoi?
00:04 < perlDreamer> CS'es created programmatically do not have RSS enabled, since it involves calling pPFFP
00:05 <@preaction> you're kidding, right? who the hell designed that?
00:05 <@preaction> uh...
00:05 < perlDreamer> It wasn't you
00:06 < perlDreamer> lisette: please try adding this to the CS properties and tell me what happens when you make a new CS
00:06 < perlDreamer> rssCapableRssFromParentId => 1
00:06 <@preaction> it should be in an overridden update call probably, and it should probably also have its own routine ( createRssFromParent or whatever)
00:06 < perlDreamer> It needs to be ripped out and rewritten from scratch
00:06 <@preaction> RSS mixin ftw!
00:06 < perlDreamer> but this is an old discussion between us, and I think we agree completely
00:07 < perlDreamer> It's just a matter of tuits
00:07 < lisette> ok, wait me
00:07 < perlDreamer> Yo espero
00:07 < perlDreamer> Algunas veces, tengo la pacienca de un santo
00:07 < perlDreamer> y lo demas ...
00:07 <@preaction> 7.6 is my goal for those long-term projects i started at the beginning of 7.5, so we should be able to fix this (barring any other major developments, of which there will be many)
00:08 < perlDreamer> I so need to win the lottery
00:08 <@preaction> so you can pay me $100,000 to add those features?
00:09 < perlDreamer> Yeah, and do all my long ignored long term projects
00:09 < perlDreamer> or, in other words, do wG work without the fear of being fired from $dayJob :)
00:09 < slickware> shit, for $100k, I'd add those features
00:09 < slickware> and I can't even code in perl
00:10 < perlDreamer> slickware, that's how we got here in the first place
00:10 < perlDreamer> actually, that dev knew perl fairly well
00:10 < slickware> you got paid $100k to learn perl?
00:10 < perlDreamer> I wish
00:10 < slickware> I just got paid $600 to learn CSS and I thought I was doing pretty well
00:12 < perlDreamer> lisette, Sara1, let me try to explain why it did not work.
00:13 < perlDreamer> I know you understand object inheritance in code, but in WebGUI, there is object inheritance in code, and also in the database.
00:13 < perlDreamer> It depends on another table.
00:13 < perlDreamer> Fortunately, WebGUI will handle all the table lookups for you when you call addChild
00:18  * SDuensin is back.  Run!
00:18 < perlDreamer> lisette, Sara1: Please this updated code.  I made the changes at the bottom. http://webgui.pastebin.com/m50bd39b2
00:19 < SDuensin> I'm using a navigation control to iterate over a mess of files and folders.  Is there a way to display the size of the file it's looping over inside a page_loop?
00:19 < perlDreamer> SDuensin, all template variables are in the Admin Console -> Help -> Navigation Template
00:20 < perlDreamer> I'm guessing that size is not one of them
00:20 < SDuensin> I'm reading that, perlDreamer.
00:20 < perlDreamer> You _could_ try a Folder asset, but it only goes 1 level deep.  And I don't know if it shows size.
00:20 < SDuensin> What I need never is.  :-(
00:20 < lisette> don't work
00:21 < perlDreamer> lisette, the new code that I just pasted?
00:21 < perlDreamer> http://webgui.pastebin.com/m50bd39b2
00:21 < lisette> http://webgui.pastebin.com/m6fcfc126
00:22 < perlDreamer> Please see this one: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m50bd39b2.  It needs the extra line at the bottom.
00:22 < perlDreamer> hold on
00:22 < perlDreamer> that won't work either
00:25 < lisette> wait me
00:25 < perlDreamer> El code nuevo no va a funcionar bien.
00:26 < perlDreamer> Para hace un CS con code es facil
00:26 < perlDreamer> Para hace un CS con RSS con code es dificilisimo
00:26  * SDuensin reads the docs, really.  They're just not what he wants to hear.
00:27 < perlDreamer> Sorry, SDuensin.  So many people don't.  It make me irritable.
00:27 < SDuensin> I completely understand.  :-)
00:27 < perlDreamer> Do you really need the size?
00:27 < lisette> why not?
00:28 < SDuensin> Yep.  Building an RSS feed for a podcast.
00:28 < perlDreamer> SDuensin, you do know the CS will do that for you?
00:28 < perlDreamer> and give you the size.
00:28 < SDuensin> I think I'm gonna have to build my own macro to do what I want.
00:28 < SDuensin> Yea, I should probably be using the CS instead of files.
00:28 < perlDreamer> lisette, the field rssCapableRssFromParentId should not be set to 1.
00:29 < perlDreamer> It needs a very special Asset
00:29 < perlDreamer> A macro would do it nicely.
00:31 < SDuensin> I still wanna yank the ID3 info, too, so we're likely headed to macro-land anyway.
00:32 <@preaction> for that, you might be headed towards "GalleryFile" land
00:32 <@preaction> then you could use the Gallery
00:32  * SDuensin doesn't even know what GalleryFile is.
00:32 <@preaction> it's a file inside the Gallery
00:33 < lisette> and then erase this lines?
00:33 < SDuensin> Are you gonna hit me if I say "what Gallery"?
00:33 < perlDreamer> lisette: Just the one with parentId in it
00:33 <@preaction> the Gallery added to 7.5.0
00:33  * SDuensin only sees the Photo Gallery in the CS.
00:33 < lisette> ok
00:34 < perlDreamer> preaction: I'm going to need an alibi
00:34 <@preaction> SDuensin, then you're not using 7.5.x
00:34 < SDuensin> Nope.  Up top there, "stable" is still next to 7.4.x.   :-P
00:34 -!- topsub [n=josh@97.66.185.250] has quit ["Leaving"]
00:35 <@preaction> perlDreamer, you were at the library from 1:00pm - 4:00pm, minding your own business, when some maniac with an axe went and coded something on your laptop, while making you pee your pants
00:35 <@preaction> but in a manly way
00:35 <@preaction> not a girly pee your pants
00:35 < perlDreamer> Not too convincing
00:35 < perlDreamer> I'm wearing shorts
00:35 <@preaction> damnit
00:36 < perlDreamer> This crud creates a whole separate asset for handling RSS.
00:36 < perlDreamer> It's nutz.
00:37 <@preaction> i think we had a plan to have RSSFromParent work for Every asset. it... didnt work out that way
00:39 < Sara1> perlDreamer
00:39 < perlDreamer> yes, Sara1
00:39 < Sara1> Can i create a macro to take all the cs, and do it edit ansave?
00:40 < perlDreamer> in theory yes, but that would be very, very difficult.
00:40 < Sara1> Tks perl, 
00:41 < perlDreamer> Sara1, lisette: Please give me a little time to trace some code, about half an hour.
00:46 < Sara1> Ok, really tks
00:48 -!- KlausH [n=KlausH@p5B0701D0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["bye"]
00:53 < perlDreamer> Sara1: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m632a501e
00:53 < perlDreamer> Note the new code at the end of sub blog
00:53 < perlDreamer> now I need to concentrate on $dayJob for a while
00:58 -!- dionak [n=dionak@97.66.185.250] has left #webgui []
01:01 < Sara1> PErlDreamer, what is it for?
01:18 -!- snapcount [n=snapcoun@andc-fw1.exploreos.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
01:21 < lisette> with this changes this works?
01:37 -!- juan [n=juangui@201.232.58.66] has left #webgui []
01:39 -!- lisette [n=lramirez@201.232.58.66] has left #webgui []
02:03 < perlDreamer> Sara1: it should work.  I have not tested it.
02:06 -!- patspam [n=patspam@ppp59-167-77-127.lns1.mel6.internode.on.net] has joined #webgui
02:12 -!- Sara1 [n=Camilo@201.232.58.66] has left #webgui []
02:18 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r6858 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed: Wait Until, new approval request workflow not available to add
02:18 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r6859 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset_Collaboration.pm: change wording on CS commit workflow
02:18 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r6860 /WebGUI/docs/ (4 files in 2 dirs): cleaned up style 3 and top navigation
02:18 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r6861 /WebGUI/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.5.15 release
02:25 -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat039.mxim.com] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"]
02:40 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r6862 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.14-7.5.15.pl: clean up messages in upgrade script
02:40 < CIA-6> WebGUI: jt * r6863 /releases/WebGUI_7.5.15-beta: Release 7.5.15-beta
02:41 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [Connection timed out]
03:08 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r6864 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): preparing for 7.5.16 dev
03:11 -!- cap10morgan [n=cap10mor@206-124-6-241.denver.dsl.forethought.net] has quit []
03:16 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui
03:16 -!- mode/#webgui [+v Radix-wrk] by ChanServ
03:19 -!- slickware [n=slick@c-76-119-132-119.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #webgui []
03:41 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-226-44-250.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
03:43 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-226-44-250.client.mchsi.com] has joined #WebGUI
04:17 -!- topsub [n=josh@cpe-071-071-252-225.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui
06:31 < CIA-6> WebGUI: patspam * r6865 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (6 files in 4 dirs): WebGUI_flux: A working Flux Admin console
06:31 < CIA-6> WebGUI: patspam * r6866 /branch/WebGUI_flux/www/extras/ (flux/add2.gif flux): WebGUI_flux: some flux-related collateral
06:41 -!- topsub [n=josh@cpe-071-071-252-225.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit ["Leaving"]
06:46 -!- overdrive [n=overdriv@190.39.130.23] has joined #webgui
06:59 -!- overdrive [n=overdriv@190.39.130.23] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
07:05 -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-245-101-253.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has joined #webgui
07:40 < perlDreamer> only the WebGUI faithful and the bots remain
07:44 < SDuensin> Hey perlDreamer 
07:44 < SDuensin> Got my ^MP3Info() macro working!
07:44 < perlDreamer> awesome!
07:45 < perlDreamer> I'm tracking down "Tavis's favorite Shop bug of the day".
07:45 < SDuensin> Ooo - just found something a bit screwy.
07:45 < perlDreamer> what?
07:45 < SDuensin> All my assets are dated Dec 31, 1969.  Oops.
07:45 < perlDreamer> that's a problem.
07:46 < SDuensin> That's what happens when I read the docs.  :-P
07:46 < perlDreamer> If that's in the docs, we should find those and fix them.
07:46 < SDuensin> The docs for the ^D() macro says that all template variables implement revisionDate.  So I used page.revisionDate.  That's where that is coming from.
07:47 < perlDreamer> that's in the wiki?
07:47 < SDuensin> Yup.  I'll find it.
07:48 < SDuensin> It says:  "One common task done with this macro is to display the date that an Asset was last modified. It uses the revisionDate template variable which is available for all Assets."
07:48 < SDuensin> http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/date-macro
07:48 < perlDreamer> It's available for all Assets.  Not for their content.
07:48 < perlDreamer> page.revisionDate is not in the Nav template?
07:48 < SDuensin> Um, but isn't File an asset?
07:49 < SDuensin> Guess it's not.  It's on the docs page for it.
07:49 < perlDreamer> Yes, but inside the page loop you only get what's listed.
07:49 < SDuensin> Well, poop.
07:49 < perlDreamer> The revisionDate template variables does exist in the nav template, but it's revision date for the nav itself.
07:50 < SDuensin> Crap.  Well, I need to know the date of the file based on the assetId.
07:50 < SDuensin> Guess I'll be updating that macro.  :-)
07:50 < perlDreamer> Yup
07:50 < SDuensin> This is gonna work really well though.
07:51 < perlDreamer> just remember, the page loop inside the Nav does not give you access to the Assets, just some information about them.
07:51 < SDuensin> Right, but it does give me the assetId.  I pass that to my macro and it looks up the file on disk.
07:57 < perlDreamer> I keep thinking there ought to be a way to give the template a callback so that it can look up whatever it wants, by assetId.
07:57 < perlDreamer> that way the template only gets the stuff that it wants
07:57 < perlDreamer> and it should lighten up the templating system
07:58 < perlDreamer> you know, kind of like the dot syntax in TT
07:59 < SDuensin> TT?
08:01 < perlDreamer> Template::Toolkit
08:01 < perlDreamer> It's a more powerful, but more complicated templating system
08:04 -!- patspam [n=patspam@ppp59-167-77-127.lns1.mel6.internode.on.net] has quit ["Leaving."]
08:06 < perlDreamer> Template::Toolkit has a grammar that looks like HTML::Template, so the idea has been kicked around to use it as the underlying templater instead of HTML::Template
08:07 < perlDreamer> but nothing actually done yet
08:07 < SDuensin> Hmm.  Seems I have a bad mime type.
08:10 -!- patspam [n=patspam@ppp59-167-77-127.lns1.mel6.internode.on.net] has joined #webgui
08:11 < perlDreamer> I only use white mime's.
08:12 <+Radix-wrk> mine die quietly
08:12 < SDuensin> Can I change the MIME type WebGUI sends a page out as?
08:12 < perlDreamer> yes
08:12 < SDuensin> Where's that hidden?
08:13 < perlDreamer> first I'd try the fetchMimeType macro
08:14 < perlDreamer> after that...
08:14 < SDuensin> That tells me, but I need to specify that a URL goes out as XML.
08:14 < perlDreamer> $session->http->setMimeType
08:15 < perlDreamer> but I seem to remember that the Nav will let you change that, in the asset properties (edit screen)
08:15 < SDuensin> Uhh.  Yea.
08:15 < SDuensin> Looking
08:15 < perlDreamer> in the properties tab
08:15 < perlDreamer> in the edit screen
08:15 < perlDreamer> I thought it should be there
08:16 < SDuensin> Thanks
08:16 < perlDreamer> Since I wrote it to help people use the Nav for making RSS ;)
08:18 < SDuensin> Now I just gotta fix my XML.
08:21 < perlDreamer> this is bad news
08:21 < perlDreamer> I've traced this bug all the way back to Asset.pm
08:21 < perlDreamer> that is very, very bad
08:21 < SDuensin> Ut oh.
08:24 < CIA-6> WebGUI: patspam * r6867 /branch/WebGUI_flux/fluxdesigndocs/ (flux.pdf icon.png): WebGUI_flux: updated design docs
08:29 < SDuensin> Man alive.  I'm gonna have to do some serious PerlFu to fix these MP3 ID3 tags.  They're REALLY messed up.
08:32 < SDuensin> Anyway, talk to you later!  Finally going to bed.
08:34 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-226-44-250.client.mchsi.com] has quit ["Leaving"]
08:40 -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-245-101-253.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has quit ["Leaving."]
08:46 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-226-44-250.client.mchsi.com] has joined #WebGUI
09:06 -!- KlausH [n=KlausH@p5B070D01.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #webgui
09:46 -!- AMH_bob [n=AMH_bob@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui
11:11 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"]
11:17 < CIA-6> WebGUI: patspam * r6868 /branch/WebGUI_flux/docs/create.sql: WebGUI_flux: Added some pre-packaged demo rules to create.sql
11:32 -!- BartJol [n=plainstu@194.171.50.123] has joined #webgui
13:54 -!- ryuu_ro [n=rory@gw.oqapi.nl] has joined #webgui
13:55 < BartJol> hee boldy
14:10 < AMH_bob> Hallo Marco,
14:10 < AMH_bob> Hier is mijn artikel voor 7 juli 2008;
14:10 < AMH_bob> https://www.amtq.eu/documentation/web-succes-magazine/article-subjects/actual-articles/inspiratie-bij-het-ontwerpen-van-nieuwe-website---bob
14:10 < AMH_bob> Nieuwe onderwerpen heb je al.
14:10 < AMH_bob> Groetjes,
14:10 < AMH_bob> Bob.
14:10 < AMH_bob> AAAAAHHHHHHH! Sorry everybody, I pasted were I shouldn't have.....
14:10 < AMH_bob> ====================
14:11 < BartJol> well
14:12 < BartJol> is it intersting?
14:13 -!- Radix__ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit ["Windows doesn't have users, it has hostages."]
14:19 -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui
14:19 -!- mode/#webgui [+v Radix_] by ChanServ
14:29 < AMH_bob> Hhh, if your Dutch (and you are) you can read in in one the comming WSM's. Sign up at the alphamegahosting website.
14:34 < BartJol> mmm, maybe check it out...
15:57 -!- patspam [n=patspam@ppp59-167-77-127.lns1.mel6.internode.on.net] has quit ["Leaving."]
16:22 -!- patspam [n=patspam@ppp59-167-77-127.lns1.mel6.internode.on.net] has joined #webgui
16:22 -!- patspam [n=patspam@ppp59-167-77-127.lns1.mel6.internode.on.net] has quit [Client Quit]
16:43 -!- AMH_bob [n=AMH_bob@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Leaving."]
16:43 -!- AMH_bob [n=AMH_bob@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui
17:08 -!- SquOnk [n=emhn@201.248.19.52] has joined #webgui
17:08 < SquOnk> Hi everyone
17:08 < SquOnk> Just to confirm that the problem I mentioned regarding the invalid path for some CSS is fixed in 7.5.15
17:10 -!- wgGuest36 [n=wgGuest3@118-92-128-165.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined #webgui
17:11 -!- wgGuest36 [n=wgGuest3@118-92-128-165.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Client Quit]
17:36 < BartJol> ok, so it was a bug?
17:36 < BartJol> i heard there's also a band called squonk
17:37 < SquOnk> BartJol: Looks like it. The latest template has the right path.
17:38 < SquOnk> BartJol: Probably inspired on Genesis' song :-)
17:38 < BartJol> ah, I don't know the band, so hard to say
17:39 < BartJol> I see it's a genesis tribute band
17:40 < BartJol> http://www.squonk.nl/home-engl.html
17:54 -!- miloidrr [n=Camilo@201.232.58.66] has joined #webgui
18:00 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@wsip-70-164-69-210.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #webgui
18:00 -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlmonkey2] by ChanServ
18:00 <+perlmonkey2> what's new with WebGUI?
18:05 < BartJol> c2
18:05 < BartJol> =commerce2
18:05 < BartJol> and thingy
18:07 < miloidrr> Hi i Have a quiestion about the cs, can i put an option to referer a post of cs?
18:08 < BartJol> sorry, could you please rephrase that? I don't understand
18:09 < BartJol> but perlmonkey2, don't you know already?
18:10 <+perlmonkey2> BartJol: no I don't?  :)
18:11 <+perlmonkey2> oh, I knew C2 and Thingy were out.
18:11 <+perlmonkey2> sorry, the last month has been a blur working 16 hour days.  Just finished my project yesterday.
18:11 < BartJol> well, the standard answer is "look at the changelog" :)
18:11 <+perlmonkey2> hah
18:13 < BartJol> but I can do that for you, only costs 85 euro per hour :P
18:13 < BartJol> that's about 500 dollar
18:20 -!- AMH_bob [n=AMH_bob@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Leaving."]
18:31 -!- ryuu_ro [n=rory@gw.oqapi.nl] has quit []
18:42 -!- BartJol [n=plainstu@194.171.50.123] has left #webgui []
19:28 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@wsip-70-164-69-210.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)]
19:37 -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-245-101-253.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has joined #webgui
19:38 < perlDreamer> SquOnk: How goes the long, laborious path into Debian?
19:41 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: Winding :-)
19:41 < perlDreamer> Are we all clear of licensing issues?
20:01  * perlDreamer goes off to install a freezer in the garage.
21:47 -!- miloidrr [n=Camilo@201.232.58.66] has left #webgui []
22:42 -!- steveo_aa [n=sno@76.226.183.26] has quit ["Leaving."]
23:03 -!- apeiron [n=apeiron@c-69-248-118-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)]
23:03 -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-245-101-253.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has quit ["Leaving."]
23:14 -!- apeiron [n=apeiron@c-69-248-118-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #webgui
23:15 -!- mode/#webgui [+o apeiron] by ChanServ
23:30 -!- lisette [n=lramirez@201.232.58.66] has joined #webgui
--- Day changed Sat Jul 05 2008
00:42 -!- lisette [n=lramirez@201.232.58.66] has left #webgui []
00:58 < CIA-6> WebGUI: translation * r6869 /translations/Ukrainian/Ukrainian/ (5 files): Update from translation server
00:58 < CIA-6> WebGUI: translation * r6870 /translations/Ukrainian/Ukrainian.pm: Update from translation server
00:58 < CIA-6> WebGUI: translation * r6871 /translations/Ukrainian/Ukrainian/Activity_RequestApprovalForVersionTag_ByCommitterGroup.pm: Update from translation server
01:20 < CIA-6> WebGUI: translation * r6872 /translations/Ukrainian/Ukrainian.pm: Update from translation server
01:20 < CIA-6> WebGUI: translation * r6873 /translations/Russian/ (161 files in 2 dirs): Update from translation server
01:20 < CIA-6> WebGUI: translation * r6874 /translations/Bulgarian/ (161 files in 2 dirs): Update from translation server
01:42 -!- Haarg [n=haarg@24-240-43-138.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit ["Leaving"]
01:51 -!- KlausH [n=KlausH@p5B070D01.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["cu"]
01:58 -!- snapcount [n=snapcoun@adsl-226-226-53.dab.bellsouth.net] has joined #webgui
02:08 -!- Haarg [n=haarg@24-240-43-138.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui
02:08 -!- mode/#webgui [+o Haarg] by ChanServ
02:48 -!- apeiron changed the topic of #webgui to: [ WebGUI 7.4.40-stable / 7.5.14-beta | WRE 0.8.3 ] Before you ask, check the wiki: http://wiki.webgui.org | Pastebin: http://webgui.pastebin.com/
02:48 -!- apeiron changed the topic of #webgui to: [ WebGUI 7.4.40-stable / 7.5.15-beta | WRE 0.8.3 ] Before you ask, check the wiki: http://wiki.webgui.org | Pastebin: http://webgui.pastebin.com/
02:57 -!- snapcount [n=snapcoun@adsl-226-226-53.dab.bellsouth.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
04:15 -!- SquOnk [n=emhn@201.248.19.52] has quit ["Yippie kay-ai-yay fudder muckers!"]
05:11 -!- patspam [n=patspam@ppp59-167-77-127.lns1.mel6.internode.on.net] has joined #webgui
05:12 -!- patspam [n=patspam@ppp59-167-77-127.lns1.mel6.internode.on.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
05:13 -!- patspam [n=patspam@ppp59-167-77-127.lns1.mel6.internode.on.net] has joined #webgui
06:52 -!- snapcount [n=snapcoun@97.101.9.76] has joined #webgui
07:36 -!- apeiron [n=apeiron@c-69-248-118-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
07:37 -!- apeiron [n=apeiron@c-69-248-118-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #webgui
07:37 -!- mode/#webgui [+o apeiron] by ChanServ
07:46 -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit ["Windows doesn't have users, it has hostages."]
07:48 -!- snapcount [n=snapcoun@97.101.9.76] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
08:30 -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui
08:30 -!- mode/#webgui [+v Radix_] by ChanServ
10:50 -!- KlausH [n=KlausH@p5B070805.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #webgui
11:19 -!- patspam [n=patspam@ppp59-167-77-127.lns1.mel6.internode.on.net] has quit ["Leaving."]
14:09 -!- BartJol [n=plainstu@54-167.surfsnel.dsl.internl.net] has joined #webgui
16:28 -!- BartJol [n=plainstu@54-167.surfsnel.dsl.internl.net] has left #webgui []
17:21 -!- steveo_aa [n=sno@76.226.183.26] has joined #webgui
18:38 -!- Haarg [n=haarg@24-240-43-138.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit ["Leaving"]
23:55 -!- snapcount [n=snapcoun@76.9.101.97.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui
--- Day changed Sun Jul 06 2008
00:10 -!- snapcount [n=snapcoun@76.9.101.97.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
01:08 -!- waiwai933 [n=chatzill@66.192.207.218] has joined #webgui
01:09 < waiwai933> Is anyone there?
01:09 < waiwai933> hello?
01:10 -!- waiwai933 [n=chatzill@66.192.207.218] has left #webgui []
01:17 < CIA-6> WebGUI: translation * r6875 /translations/Russian/Russian/Asset.pm: Update from translation server
03:09 -!- KlausH [n=KlausH@p5B070805.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["bye"]
05:55 -!- apeiron [n=apeiron@c-69-248-118-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)]
05:55 -!- apeiron [n=apeiron@c-69-248-118-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #webgui
05:55 -!- mode/#webgui [+o apeiron] by ChanServ
12:12 -!- KlausH [n=KlausH@p5B070C4D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #webgui
22:59 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@wsip-70-164-69-210.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #webgui
22:59 -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlmonkey2] by ChanServ
--- Day changed Mon Jul 07 2008
00:55 -!- Haarg [n=haarg@24-240-43-138.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui
00:55 -!- mode/#webgui [+o Haarg] by ChanServ
01:05 -!- KlausH [n=KlausH@p5B070C4D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["bye"]
03:27 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui
03:27 -!- mode/#webgui [+v Radix-wrk] by ChanServ
03:56 -!- patspam [n=patspam@ppp59-167-77-127.lns1.mel6.internode.on.net] has joined #webgui
04:38 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui
04:39 -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ
05:02 -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-245-101-253.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has joined #webgui
05:02 < perlDreamer> perlmonkey2!
05:02 < perlDreamer> Where have you been, dude?
05:55 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: hey, you still around?
05:56 <+perlmonkey2> I just put in one heck of a month to finish up a project.
06:14 < perlDreamer> I'm still around.  Have to put the kids to bed.
06:14 < perlDreamer> So I'll be here on and off for a while
06:16 < perlDreamer> So, what do you know about SELinux on FC9?
06:16 < perlDreamer> How can I tell it to leave Apache alone?
07:12 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: keep looking for the error messages, then enter the commands.
07:12 <+perlmonkey2> ls -Z in the cgi-bin is a good way to find out what the permissions should look like.
07:13 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: one of these days I'm really going to have to learn selinux nuts and bolts, but for now I rely upon the messages logs to let me know what needs changed and how to do it.
07:29 -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-245-101-253.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)]
07:38 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@wsip-70-164-69-210.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)]
08:14 -!- tabb [n=tabitha@166.228.149.8] has joined #WebGUI
08:14 -!- mode/#webgui [+o tabb] by ChanServ
08:31 -!- tabb [n=tabitha@166.228.149.8] has left #WebGUI []
09:28 -!- AMH_bob [n=AMH_bob@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui
09:47 -!- KlausH [n=KlausH@p5B070993.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #webgui
11:19 -!- bartjol [n=bartjol@194.171.50.123] has joined #webgui
11:22 -!- bartjol [n=bartjol@194.171.50.123] has left #webgui []
11:35 -!- BartJol [n=plainstu@194.171.50.123] has joined #webgui
11:40 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"]
13:49 < CIA-6> WebGUI: patspam * r6876 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (13 files in 2 dirs): WebGUI_flux: added remaining Operators [Pete]
13:49 < CIA-6> WebGUI: patspam * r6877 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (9 files in 2 dirs): WebGUI_Flux Test cases for Operators : Peter
13:49 < CIA-6> WebGUI: patspam * r6878 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (5 files in 3 dirs): WebGUI_flux: MatchesPartialText is now case-insensitive
14:25 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-226-44-250.client.mchsi.com] has quit ["Leaving"]
15:02 -!- BartJol [n=plainstu@194.171.50.123] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
15:36 -!- ryuu_ro [n=rory@gw.oqapi.nl] has joined #webgui
15:41 -!- bartjol [n=bartjol@194.171.50.123] has joined #webgui
15:47 -!- Khaytsus [n=Khaytsus@theblackmoor.net] has joined #webgui
15:48 < Khaytsus> Can the stuff in /data/domains/*/public/uploads be cleared out somehow?
15:48 < Khaytsus> For my fairly small website, this directory is 750M and has files dating back from when I first installed.
15:51 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@169.sub-75-207-113.myvzw.com] has joined #WebGUI
15:53 < SDuensin> Morning.
16:33 < bartjol> Khaytus, maybe enable the PurgeOldTrash workflow
16:33 < bartjol> what version ar you using?
16:34 < bartjol> Morning SDuensin
16:40 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@wsip-70-164-69-210.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #webgui
16:40 -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlmonkey2] by ChanServ
16:43 -!- ryuu_ro [n=rory@gw.oqapi.nl] has left #webgui []
16:44 < SDuensin> Is there any (easy) way to de-dupe my uploads?  On my disk, I see a mess of duplicate MP3 files.  According to the asset manager on the site, there are no dupes. 
16:44 < bartjol> maybe the rebuildlineage script
16:44 -!- patspam [n=patspam@ppp59-167-77-127.lns1.mel6.internode.on.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
16:45  * SDuensin had a horrible "server" weekend.
16:45 -!- patspam [n=patspam@ppp59-167-77-127.lns1.mel6.internode.on.net] has joined #webgui
16:47 < SDuensin> bartjol - I'm scared.  :-)
16:47 < SDuensin> Says it can re-order my assets.  I *just* did that by hand to fix them!
16:48 < bartjol> :)
16:49 < bartjol> well it ***should*** move everything back in lie
16:49 < bartjol> line
16:49 < bartjol> I did it once without many troubles
16:49 < SDuensin> Eh, what the hell.  I have a backup.  :-)
16:52 < bartjol> fingers crossed
16:52 < SDuensin> No orphans found.
16:53 < bartjol> well
16:54 < bartjol> that went ok then ...
16:54 < SDuensin> Except I was hoping it'd find all those extra MP3s.
16:54 < SDuensin> Doing a good old fashioned "updatedb" so I can locate them again.
16:58 -!- topsub [n=josh@97.66.185.250] has joined #webgui
16:58 < SDuensin> brb
16:58 < SDuensin> (Still got dupes)
17:19 -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui
17:19 -!- mode/#webgui [+o rizen] by ChanServ
17:25 < SDuensin> back
17:25 < SDuensin> OH NO!  RIZEN IS HERE!
17:26 <@rizen> yup, here to kick ass and take names.
17:27  * SDuensin is here to fix orphaned files and rave about WebGUI.
17:27  * nuba has been just lurking for a long time..
17:29 < SDuensin> Hey rizen, somehow, I have a lot of duplicate files in my upload hierarchy.  :-(
17:29 <@rizen> sweet
17:30 <@rizen> you know that you're supposed to have that, right?
17:30 < SDuensin> It would be if they were little JPGs.  Unfortunately, they're 50+ meg MP3s.
17:30 < SDuensin> Maybe in rizen-land I'm supposed to.  :-P
17:31 <@rizen> it's called versioning
17:31 <@rizen> every time you edit the file asset a new copy of the file is created
17:31 < SDuensin> Egads.  (But it makes sense.)
17:31 < SDuensin> I was kinda wondering if that was the case.
17:31 <@rizen> you can delete the old revs of stuff
17:31 <@rizen> and that will delete the old files
17:31 <+perlmonkey2> should image collateral be versioned/
17:31 <@rizen> yup
17:32  * SDuensin likes versions.  
17:32 < SDuensin> Where's that stuff hidden so I can go nuke it?
17:32 <@rizen> well you can click on the icon of any given asset which will bring up a sub-menu and "revisions" will be in there
17:32 <@rizen> or
17:33 <@rizen> you can edit the workflow that cleans up old revs
17:33 <@rizen> to do it more often
17:33 <@rizen> so that it's constantly cleaning out old stuff
17:33 < SDuensin> Reason this is even an issue is that I need to do some work on these MP3s and have to locate the "correct" ones on the filesystem.
17:33 <@rizen> right now it only checks once per week, and only cleans out old stuff after it's hung around for a year
17:34 < SDuensin> Can I just run the "nuke it" workflow?
17:34 <@rizen> no...cuz the settings in the workflow activity only kill stuff older than a year
17:34 <@rizen> you'd have to change that setting first
17:35 < SDuensin> Ah, ok.  I'm still dangerous with workflows.  :-)
17:35 <@rizen> then you could run the nuke it workflow
17:35  * SDuensin is poking around now.
17:35 < topsub> hello rizen, we meet again!
17:37 -!- Haarg [n=haarg@24-240-43-138.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"]
17:38 <@rizen> i should have killed you in our last encounter topsub. cross me again and you will rue the day you ever met me! <insert evil laugh here>
17:38 < topsub> lol
17:38 < SDuensin> Ok, so how do I make that workflow run _now_?  (I edited the asset delete thing.)
17:39 <@rizen> go to schedule, find the weekly workflow, and click "Run!"
17:39  * SDuensin is chasing funding for his little company.  If (er, WHEN!) he gets it, he's buying *all* the WebGUI shit he can.
17:39 < SDuensin> Damn you rizen - how dare you put things in logical places.
17:40 <@rizen> it would be more logical if the "Schedule" screen was part of the workflow manager..which i intend to do in a future release
17:46 < bartjol> and probably put in a lot of i18n to shut my mouth
17:46  * SDuensin needs to study that stuff for his MP3Info macro.
17:48 < bartjol> but a ribbon is like a discount coupon, only usable several times for different events?
17:52 < SDuensin> What's the latest WebGUI you can run on a pre-0.8.x WRE?  Not finding it in the wiki.
17:53 < bartjol> should be in the changelog
17:53 <@rizen> bartjol: yes
17:53 < SDuensin> cool
17:54  * SDuensin is the odd user who actually reads the docs.  Problem is, he can never FIND them!  :-P
17:54 <@rizen> 7.4.20 i believe
17:54 < bartjol> but what does the Switch To '%s' Badge tag mean in the Asset_eventmanagement system?
17:54 -!- tabb [n=tabitha@166.228.231.115] has joined #WebGUI
17:54 -!- mode/#webgui [+o tabb] by ChanServ
17:55 < bartjol> do you switch badges?
17:55 < bartjol> or other stuff that is related to them to another badge?
17:56 <@rizen> you can buy badges for other people
17:56 <@rizen> so the %s allows you to switch between all the badges that you're buying
17:56 <@rizen> so that you can add tickets to them, ribbons, tokens, etc
17:58 < bartjol> sweet
17:59 < bartjol> so you switch so you can mange the other badge, ok
18:00 -!- Haarg [n=haarg@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui
18:00 -!- mode/#webgui [+o Haarg] by ChanServ
18:01 < bartjol> we need bigger conferences here... otherwise the available features will be underestimated... WUC in the netherlands next year?
18:03 -!- AMH_bob [n=AMH_bob@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has left #webgui []
18:07 -!- tavisto [n=tavisto@pool-71-120-147-81.gdrpmi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #WebGUI
18:07 -!- mode/#webgui [+o tavisto] by ChanServ
18:07 <@tabb> Haha bartjol isn't it pretty cold over there?
18:07 < bartjol> and rainy
18:07 < bartjol> we love cold weather and rain
18:07 < bartjol> and cheese and beer
18:08 < bartjol> wooden shoes
18:08 < bartjol> etc
18:08 < bartjol> but sometimes is nice, and duringthe wuc, most of the time you're inside
18:08 <@tabb> Hmm cheese and beer...I can relate to that! :)
18:09 < bartjol> and right you are!
18:13 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@69.68.148.96] has joined #webgui
18:13 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ
18:13 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@69.68.148.96] has left #webgui []
18:19 <@rizen> you guys put on a WUC one year, but haven't done it since.
18:19 <@rizen> why is that?
18:20 <@rizen> incidentally the WUC this year in Madison has officially gone international...and more importantly intercontinental
18:20 <@rizen> we'll have people there from 4 continents
18:23 < bartjol> well, I don't know actually, I'm just in the board for a year
18:24 < bartjol> maybe not enough attendees
18:24 < bartjol> maybe too much trouble for organising..
18:25 < bartjol> thinking on the translation of a token...
18:25 < bartjol> it's a bitch
18:28 -!- patspam [n=patspam@ppp59-167-77-127.lns1.mel6.internode.on.net] has quit ["Leaving."]
18:30 -!- patspam [n=patspam@ppp59-167-77-127.lns1.mel6.internode.on.net] has joined #webgui
18:30 -!- patspam [n=patspam@ppp59-167-77-127.lns1.mel6.internode.on.net] has quit [Client Quit]
18:33 <@rizen> feel free to use a different word for "token"
18:33 <@rizen> it could be "item"
18:33 <@rizen> it's really just the sale of some physical good attached to the badge
18:34 <@rizen> people will use it for selling conference t-shirts, conference money, and conference memorabilia
18:34 <@rizen> one conference will even be using it to sell parking and hotel rooms
18:34 < bartjol> ok
18:35 < bartjol> but that doesn't make it easier, item is too broad I think and is also used in abstract terms
18:36 < bartjol> but I''l ponder about it
18:53 -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat039.mxim.com] has joined #webgui
18:54 < perlDreamer> bartjol: EMS help is fixed
18:54 < perlDreamer> I wouldn't do too much work in there, as the EMS help is being updated
18:54 < bartjol> jee, that's fast
18:54 < perlDreamer> hey, you're bartjol
18:54 < bartjol> eeeh, yeah off course, who else should I be?
18:55 < perlDreamer> I mean that your i18n translation work gets high priority
18:55 < perlDreamer> mainly because I can fix it quickly :)
18:55 < bartjol> but indeed I'm boring, same name here as on the site
19:00 < perlDreamer> some of us have to remain anonymous due to our superhero identities
19:01 < bartjol> Translating feels more like being a monk than a superhero
19:01 < bartjol> in dutch it's also a word: monnikenwerk
19:02 < bartjol> for long repetative tasks
19:02 < perlDreamer> sing it, Brother BartJol
19:03 < bartjol> the translation blues
19:06 < bartjol> weel I had a festival yesterday, so right now, translating is ok
19:06 < perlDreamer> festival?  Like a party?
19:07 < bartjol> yeah, with a lot of bands, beer and women in a park in Rotterdam
19:08 <@tabb> That sounds like fun ;)
19:13 < perlDreamer> bartjol: There should be a whole raft of i18n for the 7.5.16 release. I'm writing the Help for the new EMS, and fixing i18n bugs uncovered by a new test.
19:14 < bartjol> it was fun
19:16 < bartjol> ah, but please tell me it's not meaningless to translate 7.5.15
19:19 < bartjol> perlDreamer?
19:19 < bartjol> Am I filling my live with performing meaningless tasks?
19:20 < perlDreamer> No, bartjol.  Just know that a lot of existing EMS i18n will be going away and be replaced with bright, shiny, new i18n.
19:20 < bartjol> ok, so everything that is new is good
19:20 <@preaction> mmmm shiny things
19:21 < bartjol> you want the whole i18n as wallpaper preaction?
19:21 <@preaction> wallpaper isnt shiny!
19:21 <@preaction> unless you make it shiny
19:21 <@preaction> printed on aluminum foil perhaps?
19:22 < bartjol> the i18n itself is shiny
19:22 < perlDreamer> preaction: you should check out the new test that I committed this morning
19:22 < perlDreamer> It's another i18n label scanner
19:23 <@preaction> the craziness that parses templates for the ^International macro?
19:23 <@preaction> IT'S SHEER CRAZINESS!
19:23 <@preaction> but it may also be genius!
19:23 <@apeiron> SHEER GENIUS
19:23 < perlDreamer> yup, that's the one
19:23 < perlDreamer> already found 8 broken i18n labels in there
19:24 <@preaction> i wonder... maybe we could add some well-formed markup tests in there someday...
19:24 <@preaction> no, nm. too much HTML in <tmpl_var>
19:24 < perlDreamer> Sure.  I think there is a tidy based test module in CPAN
19:27 < bartjol> perlDreamer, are there namespaces that you want to have checked first (then I can translate them first, and check directly)
19:30 < perlDreamer> anything but EMS
19:30 < perlDreamer> EMS after 7.5.16
19:31 < bartjol> ok, just worked this afternoon on ems, so I can't make the same mistake anymore
19:37 < bartjol> have fun, bye
19:37 -!- bartjol [n=bartjol@194.171.50.123] has left #webgui []
19:48 -!- lisette [n=liraos@201.232.58.66] has joined #webgui
20:09 -!- tabb [n=tabitha@166.228.231.115] has left #WebGUI []
20:14 < lisette> anyone know if webgui support OAuth?
20:14 < perlDreamer> WebGUI supports LDAP, and its own internal auth system.
20:15 < perlDreamer> Anything else would be in the Get Add Ons section of webgui.org
20:15 < lisette> but the protocol OAuth?
20:15 <@apeiron> That said, you may be able to find an auth... yeah. :)
20:15 < lisette> this is based on openid
20:38 -!- wgGuest83 [n=wgGuest8@84-73-174-230.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #webgui
20:40 -!- wgGuest83 [n=wgGuest8@84-73-174-230.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Client Quit]
21:43 <@rizen> he doesn't go out with girls anymore
21:44 <@rizen> he doesn't intend to marry
21:44 <@rizen> he only goes out with guys he adores
21:44 <@rizen> perlDreamer is a 
21:44 < perlDreamer> perl hacker
21:44 <@rizen> very nice guy
21:44 < perlDreamer> speaking of which...
21:49 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@69.68.148.96] has joined #webgui
21:50 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ
21:55 -!- carogray [n=Caroline@host2.209.113.248.conversent.net] has joined #webgui
22:03 < topsub> Not sure if this is true but with thingy it seems like when i check a box to allow users to search by this field and uncheck it. If i check it later it has a diffrent field id? Is this true.. Its what i am seeing but not sure if thats what is causing the id to change
22:26 < Khaytsus> Is Purge Old Trash a newish workflow?  I'm on .19, I know I'm a bit behind, I need to update.  I had to move servers, so I've been avoiding making many changes recently until I'm sure things are settled.
22:26 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@69.68.148.96] has left #webgui []
22:26 < Khaytsus> I'm trying to figure out the 'safest' way to clean out /data/domains/*/public/uploads
22:27 < perlDreamer> Khaytsus, Purge Old Trash is probably the safest way to go.
22:28 < perlDreamer> but it's not new
22:29 < perlDreamer> It's been around since March of 2006
22:29 < Khaytsus> perlDreamer: odd, I don't see it in WorkFlows.
22:29 < Khaytsus> Is that where I'd find it?
22:30 < perlDreamer> Is it in your config file?
22:30 < perlDreamer> WebGUI::Workflow::Activity::PurgeOldTrash
22:30 <@rizen> that's not the name of a workflow khaytsus
22:30 <@rizen> it's the name of an activity in a workflow
22:30 <@rizen> its part of one of the maintenance workflows
22:30 <@rizen> probably the weekly one, but maybe the daily one
22:30 < Khaytsus> Hmmmm...
22:31 < Khaytsus> Sorry, I'm not a very advanced WebGUI user, let me get in admin and look at the workflows for the maintenance
22:32 < Khaytsus> Hourly, daily, and weekly are enabled..  
22:34 < Khaytsus> Honestly not sure what to look for..  editing daily or weekly I see some clean temp etc stuff
22:35 < perlDreamer> It's in the weekly activities
22:35 < perlDreamer> delete assets from trash that have been sitting around for 30 days
22:35 < perlDreamer> that's the name of it
22:35 < Khaytsus> Yeah, that's there
22:36 < perlDreamer> that "instance" is of the PurgeOldTrash type
22:36 < perlDreamer> It is configured to delete trash older than 30 days old
22:36 < Khaytsus> Yep, looks to be set that way to me.  
22:38 < Khaytsus> Maybe it's "missed" some events?  The days are scattered, but goes all the way back to 12/2006 
22:39 < perlDreamer> you're saying that you have things in the Trash from 2006?
22:39 < Khaytsus> Is it safe to wipe out the stuff >30 days old using find?  Just don't want to hose anything, but deleting the files myself I can easily do
22:39 < perlDreamer> Khaytsus: definitely do not do that
22:39 < Khaytsus> drwxr-xr-x 3 apache apache 4096 Dec  9  2006 /data/domains/webgui.theblackmoor.net/public/uploads/ch//
22:40 < perlDreamer> sure, that might be a vital part of WebGUI stored as an upload
22:40 < perlDreamer> the only safe way to know what to delete is to stay inside the system
22:40 < Khaytsus> Right, which is why I haven't done anything silly :)
22:41 <@Haarg> the other thing is old revisions of assets are kept for a year
22:41 <@Haarg> which includes any attached files
22:41 <@Haarg> there's a workflow activity to purge those revisions as well
22:42 < Khaytsus> 724M in the uploads directory and this is really just a small personal website..  
22:46 < Khaytsus> For kicks I ran the three hourly/daily/weekly tasks in the scheduler, no errors in /var/log/webgui.log and they just reported "done"
22:47 < perlDreamer> That's pretty much all the feedback you get from a Workflow Activity
22:48 < Khaytsus> Anything else I can try to nudge it towards dumping the old files?
22:48 <@rizen> set the delete revisions activity to something like 30 days
22:48 <@rizen> and then run that workflow again
22:51 < Khaytsus> Set it to 30 days in weekly and re-ran weekly; no change in storage space used or directories there
22:52 < perlDreamer> What do you put on your "small personal website"?
22:52 < perlDreamer> MP3s, vidoes, pictures, applications?
22:52 < Khaytsus> Oh no, nothing like that.  Just information.
22:54 < perlDreamer> well, if you've deleted the old versions, then the only thing left is originals.
22:54 < perlDreamer> There must really be 724 MB of data in there
22:54 < Khaytsus> A great deal of it is cookie files
22:54 < perlDreamer> cookie files?
22:54 < Khaytsus> 91,300 files
22:55 <@rizen> do you have a lot of http proxies on your site?
22:55 < Khaytsus> Actually yes I do
22:55 < Khaytsus> You can smack me, but they're to use an existing hit counter
22:55 <@rizen> those cookie files are created by the http proxy assets
22:55 < Khaytsus> I tried to figure out how to do a webgui-native one and gave up
22:56 -!- tabb [n=tabitha@67-54-182-41.cust.wildblue.net] has joined #WebGUI
22:57 -!- mode/#webgui [+o tabb] by ChanServ
22:57 <@rizen> hit counter?
22:57 <@rizen> you mean circa 1994?
22:58 < Khaytsus> :P
22:58 < Khaytsus> I think I wrote it around then TBG
22:58 < Khaytsus> TBH
22:59 < Khaytsus> 2002, but anyway :)
23:00 < Khaytsus> So are the cookies files safe to delete?
23:03 <@rizen> here i just whipped this one up for you in about 32 seconds:
23:03 <@rizen> http://webgui.pastebin.com/m29199a71
23:03 <@rizen> yes you can safely delete the cookies files
23:04 < perlDreamer> rizen: do we need a workflow activity to do that?  91 kFiles is a lot of inodes
23:04 <@rizen> pd: wouldn't hurt
23:07 < Khaytsus> rizen: Cool, I was between meetings, thank you!  Deceptively simple!
23:08 < Khaytsus> rizen: Would that work per-page?
23:08 < perlDreamer> Khaytsus, you would have to use a different counter name on each page
23:08 <@rizen> you'd have to create a new counter name on every page
23:09 < Khaytsus> so "my counter" would be page-specific
23:10 < perlDreamer> yes
23:10 < Khaytsus> Cool, that's easy enough.  I'll try to put it in place this week, I'll hopefully figure out any other details via searches 
23:10 < Khaytsus> (rather than asking you all more dumb questions)
23:11 < perlDreamer> Well, by asking "dumb questions" you got a free macro and helped us to realize that the HTTP Proxy asset leaks cookie files.
23:11 < perlDreamer> Please keep asking!
23:11 < perlDreamer> Oh, and if you're willing, create a wiki page about the simple hit counter macro.
23:11 < perlDreamer> It might help other people out.
23:11 < Khaytsus> :)  Sure, I'll be glad to do that.
23:13 < Khaytsus> bb, another meeting.  Hopefully I have time to play with this a bit today, I haven't messed with WebGUI at this level in a while, but it's a fun system.  
23:13 < Khaytsus> Hell of a lot easier to figure out than the old one where I never could remember which little node of something does what.
23:14 < perlDreamer> what was the old one?
23:15 <@rizen> here's one that autocreates counters for each page:
23:15 <@rizen> http://webgui.pastebin.com/m47421a97
23:16 <@rizen> put that in your wiki page too
23:17 < perlDreamer> would passive profiling work for this?
23:17 < perlDreamer> of course, it's more complex than the macro
23:19 <@rizen> you probably could use passive profiling
23:19 <@rizen> honestly though, i haven't messed with passive profiling in