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00:08 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r6842 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset.pm: clearer hover help for asset exporting
00:10 < perlDreamer> melleb, if you rolled back the version tag containg the original install of the site, then that would happen.
00:11 < melleb> perlDreamer, do you mean that is should give me the last version before the version i rolled back?
00:12 < perlDreamer> no, if there's only 1 version tag and you roll it back, then all the content disappears
00:13 < melleb> there are like hundred of version tags left...
00:13 < perlDreamer> well, let's try this a different way then
00:13 < perlDreamer> do you have backups? :)
00:15 < perlDreamer> Once you roll the tag back, there's no other way to get the content back
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00:23 < melleb_> and then internet breaks up... great... :)
00:23 < melleb_> perlDreamer, is there any way to fix this from inside webgui?
00:25 < perlDreamer> No.
00:25 < perlDreamer> Once you roll it back, it's gone
00:25 < perlDreamer> Do you have backups?
00:26 < melleb_> its 11PM here, so i can't really call the guys who host the site :/
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00:27 < perlDreamer> melleb: Who does your hosting?
00:27 < melleb> unitedknowledge.nl
00:28 < melleb> perlDreamer, but normally this isn't expected behaviour right?
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00:29 < perlDreamer> Oh yeah.  If you decide to nuke your site by rolling back version tags, WebGUI will let you.
00:29 < perlDreamer> I think it even has a confirmation screen, doesn't it?
00:29 <@preaction> yes
00:29 <@preaction> not a screen, but a JS popup
00:29 < melleb> jups
00:30 < melleb> i only wanted to remove my modifications to the site, so i only rolled back my versions
00:32 < melleb> its not like i've done anything wrong by rolling back my versions right?
00:32 < perlDreamer> well, there is some discrepancy somewhere.  If you only rollled back your versions, it _should_ be fine.
00:33 < wgGuest90> when I first setup webgui I logged into a page that let me start and stop services, setup new sites etc..
00:33 < wgGuest90> what ist he url of that page?
00:33 < perlDreamer> By counterargument (which may be flawed), everything isn't fine, so maybe you missed one, or did a different one.
00:33 < wgGuest90> cant' seem to findit 
00:33 < melleb> perlDreamer, nope i'm certain of that...
00:34 < melleb> perlDreamer, preaction, thanks for the help i'll call the webgui-gurus in the morning... maybe they know of a solution...
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00:39 <@preaction> wgGuest90, that's the wreconsole.pl. you need to go to a terminal, run the wreconsole.pl script, and it will tell you what URL you need to use
00:44 < wgGuest90> awesome thanks - I'll try that
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09:31 <@Haarg> well shit
09:32 <@Haarg> case insensitivity messed up style 1
09:44 <@preaction> nice
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10:47 < Trebbor> Hi.
10:50 < Trebbor> Somebody there who can perhaps help me out?
11:00 <@preaction> perlbot ask
11:00 < perlbot> Don't ask to ask, just ask.
11:13 < Trebbor> Haha, never mind. I fixed it myself. (after a few hours looking)
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11:14 < Trebbor> Goodmorning Bartjol.
11:14 < BartJol> hi
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11:21 < patspam> has anyone tried doing profiling with DProf whilst using WebGUI::Test?
11:23 < BartJol> mmm patspam, if it's about testeing PerlDreamer is your guy
11:23 <@preaction> patspam, i've done DProf profiling while running normally, but not via the tests
11:23 < patspam> ok maybe I'll try to catch him tomorrow.. they don't seem to play nicely together
11:23 < patspam> dprof's output gets garbled
11:24 < patspam> which i think supposedly happens if you run it in conjunction with Test::More
11:38 < patspam> aha, tracked it down to Class::InsideOut
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14:55 < CIA-6> WebGUI: patspam * r6843 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (14 files in 5 dirs): WebGUI_flux: test refactoring and some benchmarking/profiling
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16:02 < SDuensin> Greetings.
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16:27 < ckotil> Good Morning
16:29 <+MrHairgrease> howdy!
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17:22 < knowmad> morning people (or afternoon to MHG et al)
17:23 < knowmad> is there anyone here familiar with the new e-commerce system?
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17:23 < knowmad> in particular, i need to know if it can do coupons
17:23 < knowmad> hey tavisto
17:23 <@bopbop> yes, you can do coupons
17:23 <@tavisto> yo
17:23 < knowmad> thanks bopbop
17:23 <@tavisto> yes, flat rate coupons can be added to the new cart
17:23 <@bopbop>  yep
17:23 < knowmad> can it do 1-time coupons?
17:23 <+MrHairgrease> hi knowmad
17:23 < knowmad> hey MrHairgrease
17:24 <+MrHairgrease> i think all coupons are one time
17:24 < knowmad> that seems odd
17:24 <+MrHairgrease> with coupons you mean price reduction tickets right
17:24 <+MrHairgrease> ?
17:24 < knowmad> yep
17:24 <+MrHairgrease> so you'll want people to redeem those only once right?
17:25 <+MrHairgrease> or else they'll always have a reduction
17:25 < knowmad> exactly
17:25 < knowmad> there are some cases where i'd want to allow users to reuse coupons, but in this instance not
17:25 <+MrHairgrease> so by definition, coupons are 1 time redeemable only
17:25 <+MrHairgrease> oh ok
17:25 <+MrHairgrease> i see
17:25 <+MrHairgrease> dunno if that's possible
17:25 <+MrHairgrease> rizen does
17:25 <+MrHairgrease> since he made the coupons
17:26 <+MrHairgrease> speaking of which
17:26 <+MrHairgrease> where's rizen anyway?
17:26 < knowmad> where is rizen?
17:26 <+MrHairgrease> he seems to have disappeared from the surface of the earth
17:26 < knowmad> tavis probably has him busy ;)
17:26 < knowmad> thanks for the input...
17:27 <+MrHairgrease> oki
17:27 <+MrHairgrease> best way to find out is to check the code
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17:44 <@tavisto> I think Rizen has been on fire lately and hasn't been on IM and IRC lately
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18:05 < Sara> Hi, I have a question about the cs
18:06 < BartJol> Sara, well fire away
18:07 < Sara> There are some macro to show the post most rate?
18:07 < BartJol> in the overview from fifferent forums?
18:07 < BartJol> I think thta's a template
18:09 < Sara> I have many post in a cs, i would like to show the post most rate
18:10 < Sara> or the most visit post
18:11 < Sara> is this posible?
18:11 < BartJol> <tmpl_var views>
18:11 < BartJol> ah, well
18:11 < BartJol> you want to show the post title, with a link to the post that is viewed most often?
18:12 < Sara> Yes i do
18:13 < BartJol> I don't think a macro exists for that purpose, you can also make a sqlreport for that or make a macro
18:13 < BartJol> shouldn't be to bad
18:15 < BartJol> or I can write it but it will cost our standard hourly wage (85 euro)
18:15 < BartJol> that's procolix
18:17 < Sara> 8-)
18:17 < BartJol> no? ok
18:17 < BartJol> :)
18:20 < Sara> Bartjol, can you tell me in wich table of the data base i must do it the sql report?
18:21 < BartJol> collaboration?
18:23 < Sara> Ok, let me see
18:24 < BartJol> not sure, just a guess
18:25 < BartJol> with a capital: Collaboration
18:26 < BartJol> but Post is probably also a good idea
18:28 < BartJol> have fun with it, I'm off,todeloo
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18:51 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r6844 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Post.pm): fixed: Synopsis doesn't update after editting posts
18:51 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r6845 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Mail/Get.pm): fixed: Mail messages not properly decoded
18:51 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r6846 /WebGUI/ (56 files in 33 dirs): fixed: Style 1, other areas broken due to case sensitivity in uploads
18:51 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r6847 /WebGUI/www/uploads/ (14 files in 14 dirs): cleaning up uploads dirs
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20:14 <@tavisto> webgui.org is soooooooo slow
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22:06 < topsub> can i do an auto incrementing Id number with thingy
22:11 < ckotil> can you disable caching on a single asset?
22:27 < ckotil> the nocache html headers did the trick.
22:28 < ckotil> =)
22:28 < ckotil> working on this web form that is served up via macro. and data was getting cached
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22:53 < perlDreamer> apeiron, I've always considered you a pretty sharp guy, but in your photo you're a little blurry.  We'll attribute that to a bad lens :)
22:53 <@apeiron> perlDreamer, The camera was made in ~2004
22:54 < perlDreamer> um, too much caffeine?
22:54 <@apeiron> Self-taken, yeah, and my hands aren't steady.
22:57 <@apeiron> perlDreamer, Hey, didn't you add an RFE for being able to self-assign a bug?
22:57 < perlDreamer> yes, I called it "grab a bug"
22:57 <@apeiron> I know it existed because I dumped all my karma into it but I can't find it now.
22:57 <@apeiron> Maybe it was implemented?
22:57 < perlDreamer> could be
22:57 < perlDreamer> let's check
22:58 < perlDreamer> apeiron: http://www.webgui.org/qicscyynmapmzmbi1zoyya#qICScyYnmAPmZmBi1zoYYA
22:58 <@apeiron> ah.
22:58 <@apeiron> That URL bug is fixed, by the way.
22:59 < perlDreamer> cool
23:00 < perlDreamer> tavisto, I'm sending another church toward PB for some help.
23:00 < perlDreamer> It's Whitney Baptist, and the contact should be Mark.
23:01 <@tavisto> alrighty
23:02 <@tavisto> perlDreamer, do you think you are capable of fixing the "add to cart" bug?
23:02 <@tavisto> where it returns the user to the product instead of the thank you message?
23:02 < perlDreamer> I would have fixed that bug last week, except for one thing.
23:02 < perlDreamer> I think it will break shelves badly
23:02 <@tavisto> it will?
23:03 < perlDreamer> Yeah.  Do you want me to explain it?
23:03 <@tavisto> if you've got the time I'd like to know
23:03 < perlDreamer> Okay
23:03 < perlDreamer> Consider that you have 3 products on 1 page
23:03 <@tavisto> b/c Kristi and I think that it's impossible to use right now
23:03 <@tavisto> k
23:04 < perlDreamer> What you're asking is for the product to return the view of the parent (the page) after certain tasks are done, like add to cart.
23:04 < perlDreamer> That, alone, is very easy.
23:04 < perlDreamer> The problem comes when you have a shelf.
23:04 <@tavisto> actually it's a return to a template
23:04 < perlDreamer> No
23:04 <@tavisto> of the product... showing the thank you message?
23:04 < perlDreamer> Are we talking abuot the same thing?
23:05 <@tavisto> not sure now...
23:05 <@tavisto> I'm talking about the issue where a user adds something to cart... then it returns them to the same product view
23:05 < perlDreamer> Is this a posted bug?
23:06 <@tavisto> it *should* return them to a blank screen with the thank you message
23:06 <@tavisto> yeah it's under Kristi's
23:06 <@tavisto> let me grab it
23:06 < perlDreamer> please shoot me a URL
23:06 <@tavisto> http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/add-to-cart-button-broken#nCiOC-vIM0cobTKRn1-CyQ
23:07 < perlDreamer> Is that only on PB.com, or is it also on beta.webgui.org?
23:07 < perlDreamer> I thought that was a PB only bug.
23:07 <@tavisto> no this also affects anything using the beta
23:08 < perlDreamer> let's set up a beta site to test it
23:08 <@tavisto> well this is confusing Colin because it's a hybrid issue between 2 bug reports
23:08 <@tavisto> Let me explain what is happening and you tell me if this is the same thing.
23:08 < perlDreamer> okay
23:08 <@tavisto> User goes to page.... where a product is displaying.  They click on add to cart.
23:09 <@tavisto> Screen refreshes and user views the individual product now with the same add to cart button. The Thank You message is not visible anywhere.
23:09 <@tavisto> This only affects products and Donations are actually showing the Thank you Message
23:10 <@tavisto> But the problem with Donations is that it still shows the "Donation" and gives you the option to add to cart.  That shouldn't be there.
23:10 < perlDreamer> I have a beta demo site here: http://beta.webgui.org/demo1214939307_856/home
23:10 <@tavisto> k
23:10 < perlDreamer> It has a product on the main page at the bottom.
23:10 < perlDreamer> if you click on add to cart it does...
23:11 <@tavisto> i added it to cart
23:11 < perlDreamer> not show you the thank you message
23:11 <@tavisto> now I see a screen that tells me
23:11 <@tavisto> widgets are cool
23:11 <@tavisto> and I see an option to add to cart again...
23:11 <@tavisto> this is very flawd
23:11 <@tavisto> flawed even
23:11 <@tavisto> It should just show me thank you message and any macros I add to the space
23:12 <@tavisto> ie. (Continue Shopping link, and then a ^ViewCart; macro)
23:13 <@tavisto> it just doesn't make sense to have the user see "add to cart" and the product dropdowns right after they add something to cart
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23:19  * perlDreamer is madly tracing perl code...
23:20 < perlDreamer> So _you_ are really just asking for a different template.  One with some conditional in it that does different things right after you have added something to the cart?
23:24 <@tavisto> I'm not sure... there's obviously a bug in that the welcome message isn't displayed
23:24 < perlDreamer> there's template variable to do that
23:24 < perlDreamer> It's just not in the default template
23:25 < perlDreamer> the template variable is called hasAddedToCart
23:25 < perlDreamer> that's the conditional
23:25 < perlDreamer> and the thank you message is thankYouMessage
23:26 < perlDreamer> http://beta.webgui.org/demo1214939307_856/home?op=viewHelp;hid=product%20template;namespace=Asset_Product
23:26 < perlDreamer> about in the middle
23:26 < perlDreamer> kristi's bug is quite different
23:26 <@tavisto> well the problem is that Kristi and I don't know what's connected and what's not
23:27 <@tavisto> we're looking at it from a user perspective
23:27 <@tavisto> by default there is no good reason for someone to see the add to cart or product options after adding it to cart.  Agree?
23:27 < perlDreamer> I am probably not your typical user.  It doesn't bother me.
23:28 <@tavisto> that's right you aren't
23:28 <@tavisto> the guy who picks up webgui and tries to add a simple shopping cart.
23:28 <@tavisto> that's the guy that's saying exactly what I'm saying
23:29 <@tavisto> actually, Tavis, the guy that's been around WebGUI since before it existed... is saying that.
23:29 <@tavisto> :)
23:29 < perlDreamer> So what you're saying, on behalf of the users, is that after you add it to the cart, you never want to see an addToCart button until checkout or until it's removed from the cart?
23:30 <@tavisto> once I add it to cart... I want to see the confirmation that it's been added. And then "Continue Shopping" and "View Cart" options
23:30 <@tavisto> can you tell me why you think it would be a good idea to show the same product and add to cart option?  That's just fueling confusion for the end user
23:30 <@tavisto> my thought right now is to keep clicking the add to cart button.... like a gerbil in a wheel
23:31 < perlDreamer> Sure, let them buy as many as they want.
23:31 <@preaction> we've got enough of that confusion stuff to last us a few eons :p
23:31 <@tavisto> okay.... without confirmation?
23:31 <@preaction> but can't they update quantity in the cart itself?
23:31 <@tavisto> how do I even know it's added?
23:31 <@tavisto> where can I go from here?
23:31 <@preaction> DISNEY WORLD!
23:31 <@tavisto> why does it keep taking me back to the stupid product!!!!! AAAARGH!
23:32 <@tavisto> am I speaking a different language here or what?  :)
23:32 < perlDreamer> Dude, I know you're frustrated.  But I'm finding it really hard to get a concrete set of requirements out of you.
23:32 < perlDreamer> Without that I can't hack safely.
23:32 <@tavisto> really?
23:32 < perlDreamer> Yeah
23:32 <@tavisto> *tavis is frustrated*
23:32 <@preaction> perlDreamer, i think he wants a page like the CS Post's www_showConfirmation
23:33 <@preaction> that says the thank you and provides two links: Back to the product (Continue Shopping) and View Cart
23:33 <@tavisto> yes.
23:33 < perlDreamer> preaction: he's brought up 4 slightly related issues.
23:33 <@preaction> ahh
23:33 < perlDreamer> some of them are doable right now with a different templat
23:33 < perlDreamer> some require more code
23:33 < perlDreamer> for example, what does Continue Shopping do?
23:33 < perlDreamer> where does it take you?
23:33 <@tavisto> okay yeah maybe I confused you with the proxy stuff... Lets get back to just product.
23:34 <@preaction> back to the page they were on before... if in doubt, just go back to the product
23:34 < perlDreamer> Okay, with respect to a confirmation, that's pure template work.
23:34 < perlDreamer> 5 minute job
23:34 <@preaction> hmm... that might be a bit weird
23:34 <@tavisto> the continue shopping would be a manual link that I would create I think
23:34 <@tavisto> not something global in webgui
23:34 <@preaction> perhaps www_addToCart needs a returnUrl?
23:34 < perlDreamer> exactly, preaction.  Now consider how the Shelf would affect that.
23:34 <@tavisto> so dont worry about that I dont think
23:34 <@tavisto> The only thing that is important
23:35 <@tavisto> 1. Thank you Message
23:35 <@tavisto> 2. View Cart
23:35 <@preaction> tavisto, no, that'd be bad. we want continue shopping to take the person right back to where they were right before they clicked "Add to Cart" (at least, that's what I would expect)
23:35 <@tavisto> 3. (Product does not show)
23:35 <@tavisto> Okay, Preaction I agree with you... Continue Shopping would be GREAT to have by default
23:35 <@tavisto> I'm just not being greedy right now... I just need this to work
23:35 <@tavisto> :)
23:36 <@tavisto> So yes it would be cool to have Continue Shopping and I see this as a vital component.
23:36 <@preaction> i guess i haven't poked around the new Commerce enough yet to know what we can and cannot do right now
23:36 < perlDreamer> tavisto, 1 and 2 are pure templating work.  It can be done right now by anyone with admin rights to PB.com
23:36 < perlDreamer> also, please just write down all your requirements
23:36 < perlDreamer> have JT bless them
23:36 < perlDreamer> and I'll code them
23:36 <@tavisto> okay and 3?
23:36 <@tavisto> about the product not showing up after "add to cart" is pressed
23:37 < perlDreamer> Just write down _everything_ that you want.
23:37 < perlDreamer> if JT blesses it, I'll build it
23:37 <@preaction> so once a product is in the cart, you don't want the user to be able to see it anymore?
23:37 < perlDreamer> or he can
23:37 <@preaction> or just the Add to Cart link for the product that is already in the cart?
23:37 <@tavisto> preaction, when the thank you message is displayed
23:37 < perlDreamer> just the Add to Cart
23:37 <@preaction> oh
23:37 <@tavisto> so when someone hits the add to cart button
23:37 <@tavisto> I want them to see blank screen
23:37 <@tavisto> with thank you
23:37 <@tavisto> view cart link
23:37 <@tavisto> and the continue shopping link
23:38 <@tavisto> tada!
23:38 <@preaction> so the Thank You message is shown on the same page as the Product itself, just pops-up and the rest of the page is the Product?
23:38 < perlDreamer> Like I said, "thank you" and "view cart" are just template changes
23:38 <@preaction> (i mean, currently)
23:38 <@tavisto> I will write this down and talk with JT
23:38 < perlDreamer> Okay
23:38 <@tavisto> uh... preaction you're losing me
23:39 <@preaction> the current behavior
23:39 <@tavisto> right now, when someone adds to cart, it returns to the specific product view
23:39 <@tavisto> not even the page it was on
23:39 <@preaction> well, that's to be expected kinda, but go on
23:39 <@tavisto> so my guess is that it should go to the product view as it is now but with a different template
23:40 <@tavisto> and on the "Thank you message" screen the product dropdown, variations, and add to cart should be hidden
23:40 <@preaction> instead of hidden, just say "shouldn't be there". to me, hidden implies they're there but the user can't see them. ;)
23:40 < perlDreamer> nah, I know how to translate marketing into code :)
23:41 <@preaction> in essence, you're asking for another page, the Confirmation page
23:41 <@preaction> which is a good idea imho
23:41 <@preaction> i've been putting them everywhere these days. people seem to expect that everything they do gets read back to them
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23:43 <@tavisto> well it seems like online there are 2 main ways that e-commerce retailers operate
23:43 <@tavisto> when you add to cart you go to cart and see the product there... or you get some confirmation screen
23:43 <@tavisto> the other option I guess would be the mini cart that updates and shows you what's in your cart
23:44 <@preaction> right. but i say we keep it as wG has been doing it, show the confirmation screen (which is a cheap page load, not as expensive as the Cart will be) and let them choose what's up. that screen could be further enhanced later
23:44 <@preaction> like, value-add or impulse buys
23:44 <@tavisto> absolutely
23:44 <@tavisto> that's all we need
23:44 <@tavisto> just the basic functionality
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23:52 <@tavisto> perldreamer, would you be able to do the template change on the demo site so I can get a screenshot to attach to this RFE for JT to review?
23:53 <@tavisto> I guess I could mock it up but if 1&2 only take a second it would be cool to see and play with it
23:53 < perlDreamer> I can't do it right now, $dayJob has reared it's ugly head.
23:53 <@tavisto> ah okay np
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23:59 <@tavisto> preaction, do you think this qualifies as a bug report or is it better suited as an RFE?
23:59 < perlDreamer> tavisto, they're bugs
23:59 <@tavisto> alright thanks
23:59 < perlDreamer> if JT wants to RFE them instead, he'll tell you
23:59 <@tavisto> :)
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01:15 < elnino> hi!!! 
01:16 < perlDreamer> Howdy!
01:17 < elnino> I guess my boss is still considering sending me to the conference.  we'll see...
01:17 < elnino> I've been trying to read up on spell checkers for webgui, and it appears that aspell doesn't work with tinymce?  what are my options?  Is there a way I can convince my users that a browser add-in make more sense, and take much less time to implement? =)
01:20 < perlDreamer> I've never tinkered with the spell checker for wG.
01:20 < elnino> do you use a browser addin?
01:21 < perlDreamer> No.  Almost everything I do with wG is on the command line.
01:21 < elnino> yes, sure for admin, but for content - what do your users use?
01:22 < perlDreamer> They don't do online spell checking.  We have (had) content creators and site editors.
01:23 < elnino> that's what i meant - your content creaters and site editors...
01:23 < perlDreamer> they used TinyMCE
01:25 < perlDreamer> sorry, elnino.  On this particular subject I'm not so much help.
01:37 < perlDreamer> Well, I've followed the instructions on the wiki and the server side spell checker doesn't work.
01:37 < perlDreamer> That's a bug.
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01:58 < perlDreamer> elnino, I filed a bug report about the spell checker, but this one is not a trivial fix.
01:59 < perlDreamer> it looks like tinyMCE has rewritten their plugin, and it will require some extensive hacking on our end of it.
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15:12 < SquOnk> Hi everyone
15:12 < SquOnk> I'm getting a weird message in my log
15:13 < SquOnk> 2008/07/02 07:40:09 - WARN - webgui.conf - Log::Log4perl::Logger::__ANON__[771] - The URL yui/reset-fonts-grids.css was requested, but does not exist in your asset tree.
15:14 < SquOnk> Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the URL should be yui/build/reset-fonts-grids/reset-fonts-grids.css, right?
15:19 < BartJol> I won't correct you, but neither affirm...
15:19 < BartJol> just don't know
15:20 < SquOnk> Heh
15:20 < BartJol> useless isn't it?
15:20 < SquOnk> BartJol: :-)
15:21 < BartJol> Very good in saying useless things :)
15:21 < BartJol> it's a feature, not a bug
15:21 < ryuu_ro> In my WRE install that's the place where you can find it
15:22 < ryuu_ro> so you're right about yui/build/reset-fonts-grids/reset-fonts-grids.css
15:23 < SquOnk> ryuu_ro: This is 7.5.14. The wrong URL shows up in every page.
15:23 < SquOnk> In the header, to be precise
15:23 < ryuu_ro> did you upgrade?
15:23 < SquOnk> ryuu_ro: No, I haven't
15:24 < ryuu_ro> ok, did you change your style?
15:24 < SquOnk> ryuu_ro: Nope
15:24 < SquOnk> ryuu_ro: It's a fresh install.
15:24 < ryuu_ro> hmm, so nothing changed and this started happening
15:24 < ryuu_ro> ow ok, what version are you running?
15:24 < SquOnk> ryuu_ro: Exactly
15:24 < SquOnk> 7.5.14
15:25 < ryuu_ro> ok, I can't check it out right now, but maybe a template is broken
15:25 < ryuu_ro> do you use a webgui standard style?
15:25 < SquOnk> ryuu_ro: It's the standard style.
15:26 < SquOnk> ryuu_ro: It's a fresh install out of the 7.5.14 tarball.
15:26 < SquOnk> ryuu_ro: That's the current version I'm packaging for Debian :-)
15:26 < SquOnk> ryuu_ro: I also believe some template is b0rken.
15:26 < SquOnk> ryuu_ro: And it should be the template with the header
15:27 < SquOnk> ryuu_ro: I did not have that problem with 7.5.11, that being the last tarball I packaged for Debian
15:28 < ryuu_ro> ok, did you check out the gotcha.txt? Maybe they've changed the yui dir
15:29 < SquOnk> ryuu_ro: Yes. Nothing there
15:30 < SquOnk> julioh hizo un video porno cromando el pomo de una puerta
15:30 < SquOnk> Sorry.
15:30 < SquOnk> Wrong channel
15:30 < ryuu_ro> :)
15:31 < SquOnk> I'm still sleepy
15:32 < ryuu_ro> hmmm, for me 2 hours till the end of the working day
15:32 < SquOnk> I'm just starting...
15:32 < SquOnk> ryuu_ro: Where in the Netherlands are you?
15:33 < ryuu_ro> in Delft at Oqapi
15:34 < SquOnk> Hmmm. Never been there. I lived in the Netherlands on and off for a year and half between 1997-1998
15:34 < ryuu_ro> ow ok, where'd you live then?
15:34 < SquOnk> A'dam, Utrecht, Leeuwaarden and Amersfoort
15:34 < SquOnk> Depending on the customer...
15:35 < SquOnk> I was in Amsterdam most of the time.
15:35 < ryuu_ro> aha, traveling around the country
15:35 < ryuu_ro> I live in Voorburg a litte place next to The Hague
15:35 < SquOnk> Nice
15:36 < SquOnk> I was lucky enough to see snow in Amsterdam on my last night :-)
15:37 < ryuu_ro> then you had some luck indeed, all we see nowadays I either rain or sunshine
15:39 < ryuu_ro> I checked out the standard conf file and the path there is right, so my thoughts are that a template is broken
15:39 < ryuu_ro> I don't have it installed, so I can't check it out now
15:40 < SquOnk> ryuu_ro: Ok. It should be the template that creates the header, since the wrong path is showing up in a <link> tag referencing a stylesheet.
15:41 < ryuu_ro> Yep, I think you're probably right
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15:57 < SDuensin> Morning.
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17:24 < CIA-6> WebGUI: jt * r6848 /translations/Russian/Russian/AdminConsole.pm: update_from_translation_server
17:24 < CIA-6> WebGUI: translation * r6849 /translations/RedNeck/ (161 files in 2 dirs): Update from translation server
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17:33 <@Haarg> hopefully the translation script will work properly now
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17:46 <@tavisto> bopbop, I take it no one can buy any products online right now at pb.com
17:46 <@bopbop> they can
17:46 <@bopbop> they have to add the items to their carts
17:46 <@bopbop> and then go to the main merchandise page to get to the cart
17:47 <@bopbop> so, once they get to the broken page, they have to back track
17:47 <@tavisto> hmm... 
17:47 <@bopbop> but that's just for merchandise
17:47 <@bopbop> I don't know what happens w/ support, hosting etc
17:47 <@bopbop> I haven't explored that
17:47 <@bopbop> subscriptions don't show prices right now either
17:48 <@bopbop> it's ugly out there
17:48 <@tavisto> hmm... okay so they add to cart and then need to go back to the main categories page?
17:48 <@tavisto> yes this is bad
17:49 <@bopbop> yes
17:49 <@bopbop> I stuck the view cart link on that page last week just so I could get stuff out of my own cart
17:49 <@bopbop> I had added every last t-shirt to it trying to figure out what was going on ;)
17:49 <@bopbop> figured I better get them out of there
17:50 <@bopbop> it's very  bad- I don't think anyone shopping out on pb.com right now would know wtf was going on
17:51 <@bopbop> Other shopping options work better- subscription assets, aside from not displaying the price, seem to be working alright
18:00 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r6850 /tools/translationserver.cgi: set encoding correctly in translation modules
18:00 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r6851 /tools/translationserver.cgi: proper utf8 support for translation server
18:01 < elnino> has anyone here been able to enable server side spell checker within tinymce?
18:04 <@Haarg> i haven't tried, but it likely broke with the tinymce 3 change
18:05 < elnino> yes, preaction tried it with 7.5.14, and it indead broke, but I'm still on the 7.4 track and I still can't seem to get it to work....
18:05 < elnino> anyone know what version of tinymce the 7.4.x track uses?
18:05 <@Haarg> i could't say about that then
18:06 <@Haarg> tinymce 2
18:07 < SquOnk> For those of you just checking in...
18:08 < SquOnk> I'm getting a weird message in my log
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18:08 < SquOnk> 2008/07/02 07:40:09 - WARN - webgui.conf - Log::Log4perl::Logger::__ANON__[771] - The URL yui/reset-fonts-grids.css was requested, but does not exist in your asset tree.
18:08 < SquOnk> Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the URL should be yui/build/reset-fonts-grids/reset-fonts-grids.css, right?
18:08 < SquOnk> If that's the case, then the template for the header, is setting the URL badly
18:09 < SquOnk> This is a 7.5.14 .tar.gz install with the default theme.
18:09 < SquOnk> (The one going into Debian :-)
18:10 < elnino> to test if you are correct about your url, put it in the browser box and see if the css shows up. I'm still runing 7.4.x, so I can't help much more than that.
18:10 < SquOnk> elnino: It does
18:13 < elnino> I missed the question then...
18:14 <@tavisto> bopbop, I have a half page worth of instructions on how to checkout... Im embarrassed to even send this to the CMSmatrix advertiser
18:14 <@bopbop> yikes- send it to me quick
18:14 <@bopbop> they might not need to do all of it
18:14 <@tavisto> if they weren't over in eastern europe with broken english they could pay us over the phone...
18:14 <@tavisto> k
18:19 <@Haarg> SquOnk, i know about that issue
18:20 < SquOnk> Haarg: Aha! Talk to me :-)
18:20 < SquOnk> Haarg: Will it be fixed in 7.5.15? And when will that be out :-)
18:20 <@Haarg> i'm going to fix it, but it isn't a big deal - it doesn't have the correct path to the file, but we don't want to include it anyway
18:20 <@Haarg> should get it fixed, yeah - tomorrow
18:20 < SquOnk> Haarg: Exactly what I suspected :-)
18:21 < SquOnk> Haarg: My sponsor is checking the package today, and hopefully we will be able to upload 7.5.15
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18:21 < SquOnk> Haarg: Speaking of extras, is tt.js being used?
18:21 <@Haarg> i believe so yes
18:22 <@Haarg> it was recently added
18:22 <@Haarg> apeiron may know more
18:22 < SquOnk> Haarg: It's a third party JS?
18:22 <@Haarg> looks that way
18:22 <@apeiron> Yes, it's used for the widget / static exporting systems.
18:23 < SquOnk> Haarg: I have to include it in the copyright statement for the Debian package. I believe it will NOT be a problem.
18:23 < SquOnk> The rest of the stuff in extras es Copyright plainblack (except yui and tinymce), right?
18:25 <@Haarg> it looks like it
18:26 < SquOnk> Great
18:26 < SquOnk> We're looking good.
18:27 < SquOnk> There's some slowness in the Debian upload process, but it's like that everytime a freeze approaches :-)
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18:27 < SquOnk> Counting only in my "area of interest" there's about two dozen _small_ packages waiting for upload. They have been waiting for four days, when usually we upload twelve packages a day :-)
18:28 < SquOnk> So I have enough slack to polish any remaining issues with webgui (which are mostly licensing and proper symlinking of stuff)
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18:46 <@Haarg> apeiron, can you check something for me?
18:47 <@apeiron> Haarg, Sure. What's up?
18:47 <@Haarg> case sensitivity on your computer
18:47 <@apeiron> Yes, it's case sensitive.
18:47 <@apeiron> The Macs, anyway.
18:47 <@Haarg> are you certain?
18:48 <@apeiron> Positive.
18:48 <@apeiron> https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/browse/WebGUI/www/uploads/ and search for jx
18:49 <@Haarg> hmm, i guess jt must have set up your computer like that
18:50 <@apeiron> Er
18:50 <@apeiron> Sorry, *in*sensitive.
18:50 <@apeiron> Sensitive to the jx/jX/JX/Jx thing.
18:51 <@Haarg> um
18:56 <@Haarg> i don't quite see why the svn thing is relevant, but hfs+ is not case sensitive by default.  i'm just wondering any other devs have problems with it.
18:56 <@apeiron> Yeah, I misspoke when I said it is case sensitive.
18:56 <@apeiron> The svn thing is relevant because it shows two directories that differ only by case, which causes a problem on a default OS X installation.
18:56 <@Haarg> yeah, i just fixed that yesterday
18:57 <@apeiron> So, er, how come it's still in svn head? :)
18:57 <@Haarg> example?
18:57 <@apeiron> The link I gave above, search for 'jx'
18:57 <@Haarg> well, yes
18:57 <@Haarg> but it should be that way
18:58 <@apeiron> heh
18:58 <@apeiron> It's broken that way. :)
18:58 <@Haarg> the problem i meant was that there were some uploads in the wrong place
18:58 <@apeiron> No one running OS X can do an svn up / checkout presently with that as it is.
18:58 <@apeiron> I guess they can create a case-sensitive HFS+ partition, but that's it.
18:58 <@Haarg> that's what i did
18:58 <@Haarg> in a disk image
18:59 <@apeiron> heh
18:59 <@apeiron> It can be argued that people shouldn't have to go through that hassle. :)
18:59 <@Haarg> yeah, but there are ways that is dealt with
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19:00 <@Haarg> it's optimized for linux
19:01 <@apeiron> uhm
19:01 <@apeiron> that seems kind of uhm
19:01 <@apeiron> silly
19:01 <@apeiron> Considering the equipment PB staffers have. :)
19:01 <@Haarg> well, it was somewhat a mistake
19:01 <@Haarg> but there is a switch for using case insensitive uploads locations
19:01 <@Haarg> but it is slower
19:02 <@Haarg> anyway, it shouldn't really cause problems for devs
19:02 <@apeiron> I'm not talking about that--I'm talking about the ability to check out the code.
19:02 <@Haarg> it actually fails?
19:02 <@apeiron> Yes!
19:02 <@Haarg> heh
19:02 <@apeiron> Hard fail.
19:02 <@Haarg> wasn't aware of that
19:02 <@apeiron> The only solution is to create a case sensitive partition.
19:04 <@Haarg> i'll have to think about that
19:06 <@Haarg> aside from svn being bitchy it shouldn't matter too much since nobody updates uploads but me
19:08 <@apeiron> s/bitchy/totally preventing svn up and svn co/
19:09 <@apeiron> It's totally broken. It won't work at all.
19:09 <@apeiron> One absolutely cannot do a full checkout or update.
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19:11 <@apeiron> You also can't do a checkout *at all* on Windows.
19:11 <@apeiron> I feel that's kinda, uhm, serious
19:12 <@Haarg> not that serious
19:13 <@Haarg> but this should be dealt with one way or another
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19:29 < elnino> looking at tinymce, it appears that they only have a spellchecker in other languags other than perl. can someone explain to me how tincymce works with webgui - when webgui is perl?  did Webgui have to specifically integrate it?
19:37 <@Haarg> i think so but i have no idea how the spellchecker works
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19:50 < elnino> I kinda figured.. 
19:52 < elnino> our marketing department wants to change the width of our site, and some minor tweaks, but I'm having caching problems with the templates and css files that I'm using.  So when we go live, I suspect that there will be people looking at part-new and part-old. which was indeed the case when marketing presented the "new look" to the CEO.  (bad day for them) Is there something I can do to minimize that type of thing happening when we go live
19:52 < elnino>  with this?  
19:52 < elnino> It's esentially theh same design, just different width (banner, menu and content are affected) and background image added.
20:04 < elnino> forget what I wrote above, this is what I'm asking:
20:05 < elnino> css and images are being cached in the user's browser, I can work around that, my question is, do templates get cached in a users' browser?
20:07 < elnino> GOSH DANG IT.  Marketing committed something they should have.. If I roll it back, do I loose all those changes?
20:07 < elnino> *should not have*
20:20 < elnino> never mind I'm done for today. Have a good day/evening!
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20:39 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r6852 /WebGUI/ (16 files in 10 dirs): removing uploads conflicts with case insentitive fs
20:55 <@apeiron> Haarg, Thank you, sir.
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22:46 < perlDreamer> argh
22:46 < perlDreamer> 4 hour monster meeting
23:07 < perlDreamer> Haarg, 7.4.15 release is tomorrow?
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23:19 < perlDreamer> tavisto, I have a modified product template that displays the thank you message and a view cart link.
23:19 < perlDreamer> Do you have time to look at it?
23:19 <@tavisto> omg.. I was just coming back into here to see what's up
23:20 <@tavisto> good timing pD!
23:20 <@tavisto> heck yeah I have time
23:20 < perlDreamer> actually, I'm going to email you 3 packages.  I'd like you to check them all, if that's okay.
23:20 < perlDreamer> they're 7.5.15 pre-release
23:20 <@tavisto> alright, just apply to a demo
23:20 <@tavisto> beta demo
23:20 < perlDreamer> I'm going to a $dayJob meeting in 9 minutes.  I'll email them to you ;)
23:21 <@tavisto> I mean, I will of course :)
23:21 <@tavisto> oh yeah for sure... sorry didn't mean to imply I need you to do it
23:21 < perlDreamer> sweet
23:25 < perlDreamer> be back later.  Feel free to leave comments here or to email me.
23:32 <@tavisto> alright thanks perlDreamer
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23:46 < slickware> hey all.
23:46 < slickware> can the Package utility be used to take an entire site from one server to another?
23:46 <@preaction> hola
23:46 <@preaction> yes, with caveats.
23:46 <@tavisto> I believe the answer to your question is.. maybe
23:46 <@tavisto> ;)
23:46 <@preaction> some things aren't covered by packages. like Shortcut Overrides
23:47 <@tavisto> *drumroll for preaction's answer*
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23:47 <@tavisto> and that's basically why I hate Rizen... Any questions?
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23:47 < slickware> I really just want my images directory, my stylesheet, and my style template packaged.
23:48 < slickware> I don't even have any wobjects being used except for 'search', but I could kill that temporarily if necessary
23:48 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r6853 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.5.15/default_product.wgpkg: change the default product template to show the thank you message and a ViewCart link immediately after adding to the cart
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00:03 < dionak> you could place those under a folder and package the folder
00:03 < dionak> for instance, a theme folder
00:03 < slickware> they are, at the moment actually
00:03 < slickware> /root/themes or something
00:04 < dionak> we've found it's easier to move an entire site by dumping the db and compressing the uploads. 
00:04 < dionak> gotta watch out for version differences tho b/c the schema could change between versions.
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00:24 < slickware> sweet - the folder packaging worked great.
00:27 < perlDreamer> tavisto, talk to me buddy
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00:43 <@tavisto> yo I tried out the product template already
00:43 < perlDreamer> and...
00:43 <@tavisto> I am putting my feedback in an email but I can post it for you right now if you'd like
00:44 <@tavisto> I already have the product feedback done
00:45 < perlDreamer> I'll wait :) 
00:45 < perlDreamer> email on
00:46 <@tavisto> k good I figured I wouldn't spam the channel
00:50 < perlDreamer> _everyone_ wants to know what's wrong with Shop, dude
00:55 <@tavisto> hmm I just realized that my suggestion on the product is actually rectified by turning the title off on the product
00:56 < perlDreamer> which suggestion is that?
00:56 <@tavisto> perlDreamer, what if we took the product title out of that template and instead put the productname variable in the thank you message
00:56 <@tavisto> that way by default it would always say something like
00:57 <@tavisto> "A <product name here> has been added to your cart."
00:58 < perlDreamer> That would take some code changes, including templating the thank you message.  I'd like to stick to straight forward usage of existing code now, just for the sake of expediency.
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00:59 <@tavisto> ah okay, well in that case... turning off the title does work and it's functionally correct
00:59 <@tavisto> the product, it's drop down menu and variants are all removed
01:00 <@tavisto> a continue shopping option would be sweet at some point too but then again it's not a must have right now
01:00 < perlDreamer> that's going to be hard
01:00 < perlDreamer> Because you have to keep track of where you came from, either a shelf, which is like a shortcut, or a parent container (folder, layout, etc)
01:00 <@tavisto> personally, for now it's not a big deal to manually add it next to view cart. :)  Customized for whoever is using the shop
01:00 < perlDreamer> Yeah
01:01 < perlDreamer> It just goes in the template.
01:01 <@tavisto> I'm cool with that
01:01 <@tavisto> yep
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01:17 < perlDreamer> tavisto: You're okay with the fact that when you go back to the page with the Product on it that the Add to Cart button comes back?
01:22 <@tavisto> yeah because it's already after you have gotten the confirmation
01:22 <@tavisto> wow we have a huge storm here in Michigan right now
01:23 <@tavisto> perlDreamer, it appears that the "add to cart" button sticks around when you see the "The Coupon has been added to the cart.
01:23 <@preaction> yeah, Frank just reported huge storm where he lives, so i've got like 45 minutes to get a bike ride in before it hits me
01:23 <@tavisto> yep, it's monsterous here.. an hour north of me is a huge city called Grand Rapids.. Most of the city is currently without power I hear... baaad
01:24 <@tavisto> monstrous even.. gah
01:26 <@tavisto> perlDreamer, so for the flat rate coupon, the add to cart button needs to be replaced with the ^ViewCart;
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01:37 <@tavisto> Also, if a coupon has a description, it is appearing above the thank you message once you "add to cart".
01:38 <@tavisto> Obviously, the description doesn't need to appear there.  :)
01:46 <@tavisto> I'm off to dinner.. I'll see what else I can come up with and will be in touch
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01:51 < CIA-6> WebGUI: translation * r6854 /translations/Ukrainian/ (147 files in 2 dirs): Update from translation server
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07:09 < patspam> anyone know why Apache2::Reload isn't configured for the dev WRE anymore?
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07:20 < patspam> hmm i get the feeling Class::InsideOut is the culprit again..
07:21 < patspam> Module::Refresh doesn't seem to like it either
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08:10 < perlDreamer> anyone know how to configure selinux so that httpd won't puke?
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09:29 < CIA-6> WebGUI: patspam * r6855 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/TabForm.pm: Fixed bug in TabForm.pm SYNOPSIS
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11:54 < CIA-6> WebGUI: patspam * r6856 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (15 files in 11 dirs): 
11:54 < CIA-6> WebGUI: WebGUI_flux: better benchmarking code
11:54 < CIA-6> WebGUI: The beginnings of a Flux Admin GUI
11:54 < CIA-6> WebGUI: Ability to turn Flux on/off site-wide
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15:46 < slickware> is there, any longer, a "display list of upcoming calendar events" option?
15:47 < slickware> I thought there used to be an events calendar
15:47 < slickware> or a different display type... I miss small_calendar!
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15:54 < SDuensin> Greetings.
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16:10 < ckotil> Good Morning
16:12 < ckotil> SDuensin: what heartbeat monitoring software do you use? i seem to recall you recommended an alternative to ganglia some time ago
16:13 < SDuensin> Not I.  Sorry.
16:14  * SDuensin has Zenoss installed, but hasn't really used it.
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17:21 < ckotil> k. ya, its not zenoss
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17:51 < lisette> hello, i to create a collaboration system by a macro, but i don't see the icon of RSS, what i must do?
17:52 < perlDreamer> lisette: check the template for the right variables
17:52 < lisette> the RSS i see enabled and in the database is in 1
17:52 < perlDreamer> yes, but is the rss url template variable in your template?
17:54 < lisette> rssTemplateId=>'PBtmpl0000000000000142',  
17:54 < perlDreamer> getting closer
17:54 < perlDreamer> There is a Collaboration system template
17:54 < perlDreamer> inside that template, it must have the rss url template variable
17:57 < bartjol> <tmpl_var rss.url> ?
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17:58 < perlDreamer> away to meeting
17:58 < lisette> i search, wait me please
17:58 < bartjol> bye PD
17:58 < lisette> i have this in the template, <tmpl_if rss.url>
17:58 < lisette> <a href="<tmpl_var rss.url>">RSS</a>
17:58 < lisette> </tmpl_if>
18:00 < lisette> if i do edit and save, without any change, and after that if it works
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18:10 < bartjol> you mean it works right now? without changing? strange...
18:10 < bartjol> I think it is a feature :)
18:10 < lisette> no
18:10 < bartjol> oh
18:11 < lisette> what I mean is that it has always been the case and I want to know how can I fix
18:12 < bartjol> it is the default RSS  template right?
18:12 < lisette> I think the collaboration system from a macro, but the icon rss does not appear, but if I go after established and editing without making any changes and then I save, if there showed me the icon.
18:13 < bartjol> I see the same id, so probably yes
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18:13 < lisette> yes that?
18:14 < bartjol> yes, it is the template I'm looking at
18:14 < bartjol> but
18:15 < bartjol> I see no tmpl_var rss.url
18:16 < bartjol> so it is only the same tmpl id
18:16 < bartjol> what version?
18:16 < bartjol> od webgui?
18:16 < lisette> 7.4.40
18:18 < bartjol> also not in a 7.4.21 en not in 7.5.9
18:18 < bartjol> sorry, I don't have a 7.4.40 available
18:22 < bartjol> so what template is it about? pretend that I'm really stupid (shouldn't be to hard) en lead me the way to your default template
18:23 < bartjol> step by step
18:23 < lisette> i have a macro that creates a collaboration system
18:23 < bartjol> created yourself?
18:23 < lisette> and in the template have a  <tmpl_if rss.url>
18:23 < lisette> (09:59:01) lisette: <a href="<tmpl_var rss.url>">RSS</a>
18:23 < lisette> (09:59:01) lisette: </tmpl_if>
18:24 < lisette> but the icon of RSS don't shows me
18:24 < bartjol> so your using the variable as a boolean and a value
18:25 < bartjol> but what icon should you see?
18:26 < lisette> The symbol of RSS
18:26 < lisette> in my case the text that i do
18:26 < bartjol> ok, then I understand, just the linktext it is
18:27 < lisette> yes
18:28 < bartjol> well it dpends on how tmpl_if looks to the problem I think. Right now it looks like it doesn't understand that if (in perl-like language)
18:28 < bartjol> if($rssurl) {
18:28 < bartjol> print "link with url";
18:28 < bartjol> }
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18:30 < bartjol> so maybe the if only wants to see a numer (normally 0 or 1)
18:31 < lisette> i can do this in any macro?
18:31 < lisette> or in the macro that creates the collaboration?
18:35 < bartjol> no you can't
18:35 < bartjol> only if you give the right parameters
18:35 < bartjol> and even then I'm not sure
18:36 < bartjol> I don't really understand the use of such a macro, but that is my problem
18:36 < bartjol> to many things have to be set
18:36 < bartjol> too many
18:41 < bartjol> but I have to have food, so I'm going home, have dinner and play soccer, have fun hacking
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19:52 < dionak> is sql form being removed in the near future? topsub isn't seeing it in the latest version
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19:56 < dionak> looks like the answer to my question is yes
19:56 <@bopbop> it is being removed in favor of Thingy
19:56 <@bopbop> I think there is a way to maintain it though if you're using it already
19:56 < dionak> but thingy is so very young
19:56 < slickware> ugh. I'm on PB Agency hosting. I imported a package, got it working. Then I unchecked the "make package" box so it would disappear
19:56 < slickware> but every time I log out/back in again, the package re-appears
19:59 < dionak> thingy hasn't even been released or adopted yet. so deprecating another asset in favor of it seems very premature.
20:00 < dionak> slickware, is there an open version tag?
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20:00 <@preaction> dionak, it's not being included in new installs of webgui, and if you're not using it on the site, it will be removed. if you are using it, it will remain.
20:01 < dionak> so upgrading won't be a problem then?
20:01 < dionak> that sounds promising
20:01 <@preaction> unless you upgrade, SQLForm wasn't being used (so got deletec), and THEN you want to use the SQLForm
20:02 <@preaction> then you'd have to re-install it. it's available as a branch in http://svn.webgui.org (don't know if there will be other ways to get it)
20:02 < dionak> gotcha
20:02 < dionak> so we'll have to maintain it going forward if we want to keep it
20:03 <@preaction> basically
20:03 < dionak> ok, thanks for the info.
20:03 < dionak> does anyone here have experience with the event management system?
20:05 < dionak> we're going to be serving multiple sites off of one install. one site offers seminars and the others are for events (like conferences). debating on using one ems or multiples. multiples seems like it would be a management pain. 
20:06 <@preaction> you probably want multiples. from what i understand the EMS is designed to handle one event
20:06 < dionak> you're right..
20:06 <@preaction> that is, the EMS shows all the available Badges, Events, and Ribbons that are inside of it
20:06 < dionak> events could be workshops, for instance?
20:07 <@preaction> yeah
20:07 <@preaction> we use the EMS for the WUC
20:08 < dionak> i'll probably have more questions but that helps. haven't used the ems before. 
20:09 < dionak> there's no way to associate speakers to an event is there?
20:10 < dionak> doesn't appear to be...(hence the sqlform). we could theoretically use thingy for managing speakers but we didn't see how to associate speakers to an event.
20:10 <@preaction> there's no resource management built into the EMS yet, no
20:11 <@preaction> that would be a very welcome addition though
20:13 < dionak> who wrote the ems? rizen?
20:16 < dionak> are there any specs for the ems? that would be helpful.
20:17 < slickware> dionak: there is no longer an open version tag
20:17 < slickware> dionak: I commit them all after login and the package disappears (for a while)
20:18 < dionak> sounds like a support issue
20:18 < dionak> since you're on shared hosting
20:21 < slickware> ah. it was me being an idiot
20:21 < slickware> I packaged one site from a private server onto the agency host
20:21 < slickware> deleted the package from the agency host
20:21 < slickware> and then logged back in (accidentally) to the private host and saw the package still there
20:32 < topsub> Question, Where are events stored in the database?
20:32 < topsub> for 7.5.10
20:33 < topsub> nvr mind
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21:23 < SDuensin> Any Linux experts here that can answer a non-WebGUI question?
21:29 <@Haarg> possibly
21:29 <@apeiron> It may be wiser to ask in the channel devoted to your vendor's products, though.
21:29 <@apeiron> More people, more eyes, at the very least.
21:35 < perlDreamer> Indeed.  I asked a SELinux question in here last night at 11:00pm PDT and got nothing back.
21:41 < SDuensin> Yea.  They weren't helpful.  :-)
21:41 < SDuensin> It's OK.  I've decided to just hack it.
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22:25 < dionak> does anyone know where the EventManagementSystem_products table is defined to be created? I see where it's dropped in the upgrade...but not seeing the create statement. It's missing from my system
22:26 < dionak> EventManagementSystem table is in create.sql...
22:27 < dionak> EventManagementSystem_products looks like it was added in 7.3.15
22:27 < perlDreamer> I think that's dead code
22:27 < perlDreamer> buildMenu, calls _getFieldHash which calls _getAllEvents
22:27 < perlDreamer> I don't see buildMenu ever being called
22:28 <@preaction> it's probably best not to try to understand the old EMS. on with the new EMS!
22:28 < perlDreamer> preaction: How do you tell the difference? :)
22:29 < dionak> good question.
22:29 <@preaction> iirc the new EMS doesn't have a second, "pseudo-cart" for badges that haven't been added to the Real cart yet
22:29 < dionak> i'm looking at svn
22:29 <@preaction> that pseudo-cart, btw, caused at least a dozen bugs
22:29 < dionak> so the references in EventManagementSystem.pm to EventManagementSystem_products are pointless?
22:29 <@preaction> Ribbons were added, Badges are no longer also Events
22:30 < dionak> maybe the methods aren't called..
22:30 < perlDreamer> I think so, dionak
22:30 < perlDreamer> that's what I'm seeing
22:30 < perlDreamer> addToScratchCart isn't called
22:30 < dionak> ok...yea, i see.
22:31 < dionak> i was trying to see if i could manage webinars using the ems
22:31 < dionak> i'm thinking 'no' atm
22:31 <@preaction> the new EMS uses that _products table
22:31 < dionak> b/c i would have to have an ems for each one? 
22:31 < perlDreamer> Don't know.  I'm EMS-ignorant
22:32 <@preaction> no, you should be able to handle webinars using the EMS
22:32 < dionak> what gets added to the products table? badges?
22:32 <@preaction> but, i too am EMS illiterate
22:32 < perlDreamer> Badges, Ribbons, Tickets, Tokens
22:32 < dionak> oh my!
22:32 < perlDreamer> looking at WebGUI/Asset/Sku
22:32 < dionak> haha
22:33 <@preaction> maybe the new EMS is easier to use
22:33 <@preaction> like the new Shop
22:33 < perlDreamer> You're a funny man, preaction.
22:33 < dionak> i believe i must be looking at the new ems..
22:34 <@preaction> dionak, 7.5.11 it was added i believe
22:34 < dionak> ok, i'm on 7.5.13. i live on the edge
22:35 < dionak> EMS seems like a conference managing tool rather than abstracted events. 
22:36 <@preaction> it is designed that way, yes, but you should be able to ... jury-rig it a bit
22:36 < perlDreamer> Just tell it the conference is really long
22:37 <@preaction> are you working on a subscription model? or selling individual tickets?
22:37 < dionak> individual
22:37 < dionak> there are 3 different type of events total. annual conferences, webinars and seminars
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22:38 <@preaction> but each event will have to be purchased seperately, correct? 
22:38 <@preaction> no matter what
22:38 < dionak> yes
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22:38 < dionak> event descriptions would not really change between events
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22:38 < dionak> for instance a webinar description stays the same. 
22:38 <@preaction> in that case, you would probably make a Badge for each Event
22:39 < dionak> the only issue i see with that is there is no date associated to a badge.
22:39 < dionak> or time, right?
22:39 < perlDreamer> Could you put it in the Badge title?
22:39 < dionak> hm, it's an idea..
22:39 < dionak> how would it expire?
22:39 < perlDreamer> manually, probably
22:40 < dionak> hm. not sure that would work for the client. 
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22:40 <@preaction> i think your goal, then, would be a way to buy a ticket without having to buy a badge
22:40 <@preaction> but, i also think that was considered and rejected, but a lot of stuff was rejected (all due to time constraints)
22:42 < dionak> ok, that makes sense b/c tickets have dates and times. i wonder how hard that would be? 
22:42 < dionak> that is what i need, basically
22:42 < dionak> looking
22:42 <@preaction> i don't know, you'd have to ask JT about that one (he re-wrote this ground-up in something like 2 weeks)
22:42 < perlDreamer> nice catch, apeiron
22:43 < dionak> perhaps requiring badges could be a configuration option. ok, i'll try to catch up with him
22:43 <@preaction> the only thing i worry about is this: it may be designed so that there is No Way to add tickets without a badge :(
22:43 < CIA-6> WebGUI: chrisn * r6857 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/AssetLineage.pm: Fix the "get all assets" code example in getLineage to show that getRoot needs a $session.
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22:44 < dionak> thanks for the input guys
22:44 <@preaction> but something as simple as a "Allow Ticket to be purchased without a Badge" flag might work
22:45 < doc777> Hello friends. Is it normal to pull up a webgui site and browse all the files in the root folder like: http://www.plainblack.com/root/import  . I just noticed my site is the same way...
22:45 < perlDreamer> yes
22:45 < perlDreamer> those files need to be visible to the user since images and other collateral are stored in there
22:45 < perlDreamer> See lots of discussion in bugs and forum on it.
22:46 < doc777> ok  ;-)  I found em scattered all over google
22:46 <@preaction> edit your robots.txt
22:46 <@apeiron> wow, they're all over Google?
22:46 <@preaction> example.com/robots.txt?func=edit
22:46 <@apeiron> That means that Visitor can access them, no?
22:46 <@preaction> yes
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22:48 < perlDreamer> tavisto, I have approximately 55 minutes for template hacking.
22:48 < perlDreamer> What's tops on your list?
22:48 <@tavisto> ooh lets see
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22:48 <@tavisto> did you get my msgs from last night?
22:48 < perlDreamer> yes, but they're at home on $laptop
22:48 < perlDreamer> right now I'm at $dayJob
22:48 <@tavisto> ah okay
22:49 < perlDreamer> I remember one of them
22:49 < perlDreamer> the AddToCart button on the Coupon requires code which won't be released until 7.5.15
22:49 < perlDreamer> so no worries on that one
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22:50 <@tavisto> on the subscription or flat rate discount coupon.... the thank you message screen showed the "add to cart" button instead of the ^ViewCart;
22:50 <@tavisto> or is that what you're referring to
22:51 < perlDreamer> Just on the coupon
22:51 < perlDreamer> I'll have a look at the Subscription
22:51 <@tavisto> lets see
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22:56 < perlDreamer> tavisto, the Subscription also depends on 7.5.15 code
22:56 < perlDreamer> so you're good there, too
22:56 < perlDreamer> I'm guessing that 7.5.15 will come out today
22:56 < perlDreamer> since it's Thursday
23:04 < doc777> In my: default-gallery-view-album template there is the line: <!-- FIXME: Add perpage form --> does anyone know if this has been fixed yet? It controls the previous and next page for the gallery I think and I sorely need it ;)
23:05 <@preaction> doc777, no, it doesn't control the next and previous pages. it just does the perpage form
23:06 < doc777> My gallery albums just seem to scroll on and on and there is never a next page... I cannot seem to find where to change or add "per page". Am I missing something or is it just not written?  ;-)
23:08 <@preaction> 25 or 50 is the default per page
23:08 <@preaction> but, i thought i made that settable in the Gallery properties
23:09 < doc777> Think we stopped at 21 as these are big pictures and it was getting slow. I have not found where I can set it though...
23:09 < dionak> so it looks like ribbons replace the cost of a badge in the EMS. The badge become $0.00 and the price of the ribbon is used for the checkout.
23:09 <@preaction> nope, maybe not. the List Albums view defaults to 25 or 50
23:10 <@preaction> the View Album view can have fewer files, which is settable in the latest release of WebGUI
23:10 <@preaction> the thumbnails and slideshow views both show all at all times (since there is no reason to do otherwise)
23:10 < doc777> Thank you for your help preaction. Is there a way I can edit something and make it about 15 maybe?
23:11 <@preaction> in the latest beta releast of WebGUI, there's a Default Files Per Page setting in the Gallery properties
23:11 <@preaction> but, again, nothing for Albums themselves
23:12 <@preaction> if the perpage form was added, it wouldn't change the default. the default setting would have to be added
23:12 <@preaction> Default Albums Per Page, for example
23:13 <@preaction> you could go into the Gallery code and change what you wanted, but i would not recommend it, and it would have to be re-done every time you upgrade
23:13 <@preaction> or you could add the feature, submit an RFE and attach the patch, and then it would probably get added quickly
23:14 < doc777> Pretty scared to upgrade.... have a whole lot of work in the site and am not using the wre (gentoo). Is there a file containing the default value that can edited.
23:14 <@preaction> the lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Gallery.pm file
23:15 < doc777> Thanks!
23:15 <@preaction> but doing this, stopping yourself from being able to upgrade, is a very bad idea
23:15 <@preaction> if you want, you could make your own sub-class of the Gallery to hold your changes
23:15 < doc777> When I have 2 full days and a really good back up I will upgrade ;)
23:15 <@preaction> or, as i said, you could make a patch to go into WebGUI
23:15 <@preaction> you're being overly scared. upgrading in the 7.x series is not difficult at all
23:15 < doc777> But tomorow is the 4rth of july and do not want to still be here ;)
23:16 < doc777> grins years of experience and failure to blame I guess...
23:18 <@preaction> oh, i did plenty of my own 5.x and 6.x upgrades to know where you're coming from, and i always get annoyed that they go so quickly and so smoothly now that i cancelled all my plans that night for nothing :p
23:18 <@tavisto> perlDreamer, I dont know of any more template work to do
23:18 <@tavisto> er that can be done... however I noticed I get lots of proxy errors when i remove items from the cart
23:18 <@tavisto> if you take a beta demo right now
23:19 <@tavisto> and add 10-15 items to the cart you'll get 2-3 that give you the proxy error
23:19 <@tavisto> (when using the remove button)
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23:30 < perlDreamer> proxy error?
23:31 < perlDreamer> can you paste me some output into a paste?  webgui.pastebin.com
23:32 < perlDreamer> I'll just try it :)
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23:38 < juan>  i have a site configured like www.example.net.co and now i want to change it to www.example.com.co.  if i change it in the config file and the apache configuration , is enough?
23:38 < perlDreamer> I think you also need to change it in the settings
23:39 < perlDreamer> Settings in the Admin Console
23:39 < juan> and all the path automatically will change
23:39 < perlDreamer> as long as they are not hardcoded in any content, yes
23:40 < perlDreamer> lisette: Are you still having your RSS problems?  Can you show me a site with the problem?
23:40 < lisette> yes
23:46 < Sara1> PerlDreamer
23:46 < Sara1> http://www.tareanet.edu.co/home/mi-zona/usuarios/blogs
23:46 < Sara1> You can see the problem in this link
23:47 < perlDreamer> I'm going to need a little help with the Spanish content.  Where should I be looking?
23:48 < Sara1> there are many cs's, the most of this can't the rss option disable
23:48 < Sara1> But other cs's has the option
23:49 < Sara1> Agregar = add
23:49 < perlDreamer> okay
23:49 < Sara1> suscribir = suscribe
23:49 < Sara1> Buscar = search
23:49 < perlDreamer> The Admin has an RSS link
23:49 < Sara1> YEs
23:49 < Sara1> the cs's admin
23:49 < perlDreamer> but others on the page do not have the RSS link
23:49 < perlDreamer> are they supposed to have the RSS link?
23:50 < Sara1> yes, it is
23:50 < perlDreamer> so you want them _all_ to have the RSS link?  Every CS on the page?
23:50 < Sara1> Yes
23:50 < Sara1> all the cs has the same cs weblog template
23:51 < perlDreamer> and each one has the Enable RSS option turned on in the Display tab?
23:51 < Sara1> Tes
23:51 < Sara1> YEs
23:52 < Sara1> The cs has been created with a macro
23:52 < Sara1> And all the settings options it's ok, but the rss option only show when i have edited the cs, and save it
23:53 < perlDreamer> ah
23:53 < perlDreamer> okay
23:53 < Sara1> PErlDreamer, please look this
23:53 < Sara1> The lrestrepo blog
23:53 < Sara1> Can you see it?
23:53 < perlDreamer> yes
23:53 < Sara1> It don't has the rss option enable
23:54 < Sara1> but wait please
23:54 < Sara1> Im going to edit and save
23:54 < perlDreamer> okay.  After you make the change, please flush the cache since I'm visitor on that site.
23:55 < Sara1> It's ready
23:55 < perlDreamer> Now it's showing up.
23:56 < perlDreamer> I'm going to test that on 7.5 and see if it's the same
23:56 < perlDreamer> If so, you've found a bug.
23:56 < Sara1> Please Ctrl F5
23:56 < perlDreamer> What is Ctrl F5?
23:56 < Sara1> I have edited and saved it, and the rss option is showed
23:56 <@apeiron> IE force refresh
23:56 <@apeiron> (since refresh in IE doesn't actually mean refresh)
23:56 <@preaction> Shift + F5 for firefox
23:57 <@preaction> or just Refresh for Safari
23:57 < perlDreamer> When I reloaded the page, it came up.
23:57  * apeiron loves IE
23:57 < perlDreamer> This seems to work okay on 7.5
23:57 < perlDreamer> so it must be a 7.4.40 bug
23:57 < Sara1> Ok
23:58 < Sara1> but i dont found the reason to this
23:58 < Sara1> maybe a bug
23:58 < perlDreamer> Sara1, if you add a CS in the normal way does it work the same way?
23:58 < perlDreamer> Is it only the CS created by the macro that has this problem/
23:58 < Sara1> I f i add a new cs it don't happen
23:59 < perlDreamer> hm
23:59 < Sara1> The css show all the options
23:59 < perlDreamer> Asi, es solo los CS hecho por el macro que tiene la problema?
23:59 < Sara1> Exactly
23:59 < Sara1> =)
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00:00 < perlDreamer> Puedo yo veo el macro, por favor?  Please use the webgui.pastebin.com
00:00 < Sara1> Ok please wait
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00:01 < perlDreamer> Sara1, I think this is a bug in 7.5, too.
00:02 < lisette> http://webgui.pastebin.com/d565ae380
00:03 < perlDreamer> Yes.  This will also is broken in 7.5.
00:03 < perlDreamer> The good news is that it can probably be fixed.
00:04 < perlDreamer> preaction: do you have 5 minutes?
00:04 <@preaction> pourquoi?
00:04 < perlDreamer> CS'es created programmatically do not have RSS enabled, since it involves calling pPFFP
00:05 <@preaction> you're kidding, right? who the hell designed that?
00:05 <@preaction> uh...
00:05 < perlDreamer> It wasn't you
00:06 < perlDreamer> lisette: please try adding this to the CS properties and tell me what happens when you make a new CS
00:06 < perlDreamer> rssCapableRssFromParentId => 1
00:06 <@preaction> it should be in an overridden update call probably, and it should probably also have its own routine ( createRssFromParent or whatever)
00:06 < perlDreamer> It needs to be ripped out and rewritten from scratch
00:06 <@preaction> RSS mixin ftw!
00:06 < perlDreamer> but this is an old discussion between us, and I think we agree completely
00:07 < perlDreamer> It's just a matter of tuits
00:07 < lisette> ok, wait me
00:07 < perlDreamer> Yo espero
00:07 < perlDreamer> Algunas veces, tengo la pacienca de un santo
00:07 < perlDreamer> y lo demas ...
00:07 <@preaction> 7.6 is my goal for those long-term projects i started at the beginning of 7.5, so we should be able to fix this (barring any other major developments, of which there will be many)
00:08 < perlDreamer> I so need to win the lottery
00:08 <@preaction> so you can pay me $100,000 to add those features?
00:09 < perlDreamer> Yeah, and do all my long ignored long term projects
00:09 < perlDreamer> or, in other words, do wG work without the fear of being fired from $dayJob :)
00:09 < slickware> shit, for $100k, I'd add those features
00:09 < slickware> and I can't even code in perl
00:10 < perlDreamer> slickware, that's how we got here in the first place
00:10 < perlDreamer> actually, that dev knew perl fairly well
00:10 < slickware> you got paid $100k to learn perl?
00:10 < perlDreamer> I wish
00:10 < slickware> I just got paid $600 to learn CSS and I thought I was doing pretty well
00:12 < perlDreamer> lisette, Sara1, let me try to explain why it did not work.
00:13 < perlDreamer> I know you understand object inheritance in code, but in WebGUI, there is object inheritance in code, and also in the database.
00:13 < perlDreamer> It depends on another table.
00:13 < perlDreamer> Fortunately, WebGUI will handle all the table lookups for you when you call addChild
00:18  * SDuensin is back.  Run!
00:18 < perlDreamer> lisette, Sara1: Please this updated code.  I made the changes at the bottom. http://webgui.pastebin.com/m50bd39b2
00:19 < SDuensin> I'm using a navigation control to iterate over a mess of files and folders.  Is there a way to display the size of the file it's looping over inside a page_loop?
00:19 < perlDreamer> SDuensin, all template variables are in the Admin Console -> Help -> Navigation Template
00:20 < perlDreamer> I'm guessing that size is not one of them
00:20 < SDuensin> I'm reading that, perlDreamer.
00:20 < perlDreamer> You _could_ try a Folder asset, but it only goes 1 level deep.  And I don't know if it shows size.
00:20 < SDuensin> What I need never is.  :-(
00:20 < lisette> don't work
00:21 < perlDreamer> lisette, the new code that I just pasted?
00:21 < perlDreamer> http://webgui.pastebin.com/m50bd39b2
00:21 < lisette> http://webgui.pastebin.com/m6fcfc126
00:22 < perlDreamer> Please see this one: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m50bd39b2.  It needs the extra line at the bottom.
00:22 < perlDreamer> hold on
00:22 < perlDreamer> that won't work either
00:25 < lisette> wait me
00:25 < perlDreamer> El code nuevo no va a funcionar bien.
00:26 < perlDreamer> Para hace un CS con code es facil
00:26 < perlDreamer> Para hace un CS con RSS con code es dificilisimo
00:26  * SDuensin reads the docs, really.  They're just not what he wants to hear.
00:27 < perlDreamer> Sorry, SDuensin.  So many people don't.  It make me irritable.
00:27 < SDuensin> I completely understand.  :-)
00:27 < perlDreamer> Do you really need the size?
00:27 < lisette> why not?
00:28 < SDuensin> Yep.  Building an RSS feed for a podcast.
00:28 < perlDreamer> SDuensin, you do know the CS will do that for you?
00:28 < perlDreamer> and give you the size.
00:28 < SDuensin> I think I'm gonna have to build my own macro to do what I want.
00:28 < SDuensin> Yea, I should probably be using the CS instead of files.
00:28 < perlDreamer> lisette, the field rssCapableRssFromParentId should not be set to 1.
00:29 < perlDreamer> It needs a very special Asset
00:29 < perlDreamer> A macro would do it nicely.
00:31 < SDuensin> I still wanna yank the ID3 info, too, so we're likely headed to macro-land anyway.
00:32 <@preaction> for that, you might be headed towards "GalleryFile" land
00:32 <@preaction> then you could use the Gallery
00:32  * SDuensin doesn't even know what GalleryFile is.
00:32 <@preaction> it's a file inside the Gallery
00:33 < lisette> and then erase this lines?
00:33 < SDuensin> Are you gonna hit me if I say "what Gallery"?
00:33 < perlDreamer> lisette: Just the one with parentId in it
00:33 <@preaction> the Gallery added to 7.5.0
00:33  * SDuensin only sees the Photo Gallery in the CS.
00:33 < lisette> ok
00:34 < perlDreamer> preaction: I'm going to need an alibi
00:34 <@preaction> SDuensin, then you're not using 7.5.x
00:34 < SDuensin> Nope.  Up top there, "stable" is still next to 7.4.x.   :-P
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00:35 <@preaction> perlDreamer, you were at the library from 1:00pm - 4:00pm, minding your own business, when some maniac with an axe went and coded something on your laptop, while making you pee your pants
00:35 <@preaction> but in a manly way
00:35 <@preaction> not a girly pee your pants
00:35 < perlDreamer> Not too convincing
00:35 < perlDreamer> I'm wearing shorts
00:35 <@preaction> damnit
00:36 < perlDreamer> This crud creates a whole separate asset for handling RSS.
00:36 < perlDreamer> It's nutz.
00:37 <@preaction> i think we had a plan to have RSSFromParent work for Every asset. it... didnt work out that way
00:39 < Sara1> perlDreamer
00:39 < perlDreamer> yes, Sara1
00:39 < Sara1> Can i create a macro to take all the cs, and do it edit ansave?
00:40 < perlDreamer> in theory yes, but that would be very, very difficult.
00:40 < Sara1> Tks perl, 
00:41 < perlDreamer> Sara1, lisette: Please give me a little time to trace some code, about half an hour.
00:46 < Sara1> Ok, really tks
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00:53 < perlDreamer> Sara1: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m632a501e
00:53 < perlDreamer> Note the new code at the end of sub blog
00:53 < perlDreamer> now I need to concentrate on $dayJob for a while
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01:01 < Sara1> PErlDreamer, what is it for?
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01:21 < lisette> with this changes this works?
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02:03 < perlDreamer> Sara1: it should work.  I have not tested it.
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07:40 < perlDreamer> only the WebGUI faithful and the bots remain
07:44 < SDuensin> Hey perlDreamer 
07:44 < SDuensin> Got my ^MP3Info() macro working!
07:44 < perlDreamer> awesome!
07:45 < perlDreamer> I'm tracking down "Tavis's favorite Shop bug of the day".
07:45 < SDuensin> Ooo - just found something a bit screwy.
07:45 < perlDreamer> what?
07:45 < SDuensin> All my assets are dated Dec 31, 1969.  Oops.
07:45 < perlDreamer> that's a problem.
07:46 < SDuensin> That's what happens when I read the docs.  :-P
07:46 < perlDreamer> If that's in the docs, we should find those and fix them.
07:46 < SDuensin> The docs for the ^D() macro says that all template variables implement revisionDate.  So I used page.revisionDate.  That's where that is coming from.
07:47 < perlDreamer> that's in the wiki?
07:47 < SDuensin> Yup.  I'll find it.
07:48 < SDuensin> It says:  "One common task done with this macro is to display the date that an Asset was last modified. It uses the revisionDate template variable which is available for all Assets."
07:48 < SDuensin> http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/date-macro
07:48 < perlDreamer> It's available for all Assets.  Not for their content.
07:48 < perlDreamer> page.revisionDate is not in the Nav template?
07:48 < SDuensin> Um, but isn't File an asset?
07:49 < SDuensin> Guess it's not.  It's on the docs page for it.
07:49 < perlDreamer> Yes, but inside the page loop you only get what's listed.
07:49 < SDuensin> Well, poop.
07:49 < perlDreamer> The revisionDate template variables does exist in the nav template, but it's revision date for the nav itself.
07:50 < SDuensin> Crap.  Well, I need to know the date of the file based on the assetId.
07:50 < SDuensin> Guess I'll be updating that macro.  :-)
07:50 < perlDreamer> Yup
07:50 < SDuensin> This is gonna work really well though.
07:51 < perlDreamer> just remember, the page loop inside the Nav does not give you access to the Assets, just some information about them.
07:51 < SDuensin> Right, but it does give me the assetId.  I pass that to my macro and it looks up the file on disk.
07:57 < perlDreamer> I keep thinking there ought to be a way to give the template a callback so that it can look up whatever it wants, by assetId.
07:57 < perlDreamer> that way the template only gets the stuff that it wants
07:57 < perlDreamer> and it should lighten up the templating system
07:58 < perlDreamer> you know, kind of like the dot syntax in TT
07:59 < SDuensin> TT?
08:01 < perlDreamer> Template::Toolkit
08:01 < perlDreamer> It's a more powerful, but more complicated templating system
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08:06 < perlDreamer> Template::Toolkit has a grammar that looks like HTML::Template, so the idea has been kicked around to use it as the underlying templater instead of HTML::Template
08:07 < perlDreamer> but nothing actually done yet
08:07 < SDuensin> Hmm.  Seems I have a bad mime type.
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08:11 < perlDreamer> I only use white mime's.
08:12 <+Radix-wrk> mine die quietly
08:12 < SDuensin> Can I change the MIME type WebGUI sends a page out as?
08:12 < perlDreamer> yes
08:12 < SDuensin> Where's that hidden?
08:13 < perlDreamer> first I'd try the fetchMimeType macro
08:14 < perlDreamer> after that...
08:14 < SDuensin> That tells me, but I need to specify that a URL goes out as XML.
08:14 < perlDreamer> $session->http->setMimeType
08:15 < perlDreamer> but I seem to remember that the Nav will let you change that, in the asset properties (edit screen)
08:15 < SDuensin> Uhh.  Yea.
08:15 < SDuensin> Looking
08:15 < perlDreamer> in the properties tab
08:15 < perlDreamer> in the edit screen
08:15 < perlDreamer> I thought it should be there
08:16 < SDuensin> Thanks
08:16 < perlDreamer> Since I wrote it to help people use the Nav for making RSS ;)
08:18 < SDuensin> Now I just gotta fix my XML.
08:21 < perlDreamer> this is bad news
08:21 < perlDreamer> I've traced this bug all the way back to Asset.pm
08:21 < perlDreamer> that is very, very bad
08:21 < SDuensin> Ut oh.
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08:29 < SDuensin> Man alive.  I'm gonna have to do some serious PerlFu to fix these MP3 ID3 tags.  They're REALLY messed up.
08:32 < SDuensin> Anyway, talk to you later!  Finally going to bed.
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13:55 < BartJol> hee boldy
14:10 < AMH_bob> Hallo Marco,
14:10 < AMH_bob> Hier is mijn artikel voor 7 juli 2008;
14:10 < AMH_bob> https://www.amtq.eu/documentation/web-succes-magazine/article-subjects/actual-articles/inspiratie-bij-het-ontwerpen-van-nieuwe-website---bob
14:10 < AMH_bob> Nieuwe onderwerpen heb je al.
14:10 < AMH_bob> Groetjes,
14:10 < AMH_bob> Bob.
14:10 < AMH_bob> AAAAAHHHHHHH! Sorry everybody, I pasted were I shouldn't have.....
14:10 < AMH_bob> ====================
14:11 < BartJol> well
14:12 < BartJol> is it intersting?
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14:29 < AMH_bob> Hhh, if your Dutch (and you are) you can read in in one the comming WSM's. Sign up at the alphamegahosting website.
14:34 < BartJol> mmm, maybe check it out...
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17:08 < SquOnk> Hi everyone
17:08 < SquOnk> Just to confirm that the problem I mentioned regarding the invalid path for some CSS is fixed in 7.5.15
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17:36 < BartJol> ok, so it was a bug?
17:36 < BartJol> i heard there's also a band called squonk
17:37 < SquOnk> BartJol: Looks like it. The latest template has the right path.
17:38 < SquOnk> BartJol: Probably inspired on Genesis' song :-)
17:38 < BartJol> ah, I don't know the band, so hard to say
17:39 < BartJol> I see it's a genesis tribute band
17:40 < BartJol> http://www.squonk.nl/home-engl.html
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18:00 <+perlmonkey2> what's new with WebGUI?
18:05 < BartJol> c2
18:05 < BartJol> =commerce2
18:05 < BartJol> and thingy
18:07 < miloidrr> Hi i Have a quiestion about the cs, can i put an option to referer a post of cs?
18:08 < BartJol> sorry, could you please rephrase that? I don't understand
18:09 < BartJol> but perlmonkey2, don't you know already?
18:10 <+perlmonkey2> BartJol: no I don't?  :)
18:11 <+perlmonkey2> oh, I knew C2 and Thingy were out.
18:11 <+perlmonkey2> sorry, the last month has been a blur working 16 hour days.  Just finished my project yesterday.
18:11 < BartJol> well, the standard answer is "look at the changelog" :)
18:11 <+perlmonkey2> hah
18:13 < BartJol> but I can do that for you, only costs 85 euro per hour :P
18:13 < BartJol> that's about 500 dollar
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19:38 < perlDreamer> SquOnk: How goes the long, laborious path into Debian?
19:41 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: Winding :-)
19:41 < perlDreamer> Are we all clear of licensing issues?
20:01  * perlDreamer goes off to install a freezer in the garage.
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01:09 < waiwai933> hello?
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05:02 < perlDreamer> perlmonkey2!
05:02 < perlDreamer> Where have you been, dude?
05:55 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: hey, you still around?
05:56 <+perlmonkey2> I just put in one heck of a month to finish up a project.
06:14 < perlDreamer> I'm still around.  Have to put the kids to bed.
06:14 < perlDreamer> So I'll be here on and off for a while
06:16 < perlDreamer> So, what do you know about SELinux on FC9?
06:16 < perlDreamer> How can I tell it to leave Apache alone?
07:12 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: keep looking for the error messages, then enter the commands.
07:12 <+perlmonkey2> ls -Z in the cgi-bin is a good way to find out what the permissions should look like.
07:13 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: one of these days I'm really going to have to learn selinux nuts and bolts, but for now I rely upon the messages logs to let me know what needs changed and how to do it.
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15:48 < Khaytsus> Can the stuff in /data/domains/*/public/uploads be cleared out somehow?
15:48 < Khaytsus> For my fairly small website, this directory is 750M and has files dating back from when I first installed.
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15:53 < SDuensin> Morning.
16:33 < bartjol> Khaytus, maybe enable the PurgeOldTrash workflow
16:33 < bartjol> what version ar you using?
16:34 < bartjol> Morning SDuensin
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16:44 < SDuensin> Is there any (easy) way to de-dupe my uploads?  On my disk, I see a mess of duplicate MP3 files.  According to the asset manager on the site, there are no dupes. 
16:44 < bartjol> maybe the rebuildlineage script
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16:45  * SDuensin had a horrible "server" weekend.
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16:47 < SDuensin> bartjol - I'm scared.  :-)
16:47 < SDuensin> Says it can re-order my assets.  I *just* did that by hand to fix them!
16:48 < bartjol> :)
16:49 < bartjol> well it ***should*** move everything back in lie
16:49 < bartjol> line
16:49 < bartjol> I did it once without many troubles
16:49 < SDuensin> Eh, what the hell.  I have a backup.  :-)
16:52 < bartjol> fingers crossed
16:52 < SDuensin> No orphans found.
16:53 < bartjol> well
16:54 < bartjol> that went ok then ...
16:54 < SDuensin> Except I was hoping it'd find all those extra MP3s.
16:54 < SDuensin> Doing a good old fashioned "updatedb" so I can locate them again.
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16:58 < SDuensin> brb
16:58 < SDuensin> (Still got dupes)
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17:25 < SDuensin> back
17:25 < SDuensin> OH NO!  RIZEN IS HERE!
17:26 <@rizen> yup, here to kick ass and take names.
17:27  * SDuensin is here to fix orphaned files and rave about WebGUI.
17:27  * nuba has been just lurking for a long time..
17:29 < SDuensin> Hey rizen, somehow, I have a lot of duplicate files in my upload hierarchy.  :-(
17:29 <@rizen> sweet
17:30 <@rizen> you know that you're supposed to have that, right?
17:30 < SDuensin> It would be if they were little JPGs.  Unfortunately, they're 50+ meg MP3s.
17:30 < SDuensin> Maybe in rizen-land I'm supposed to.  :-P
17:31 <@rizen> it's called versioning
17:31 <@rizen> every time you edit the file asset a new copy of the file is created
17:31 < SDuensin> Egads.  (But it makes sense.)
17:31 < SDuensin> I was kinda wondering if that was the case.
17:31 <@rizen> you can delete the old revs of stuff
17:31 <@rizen> and that will delete the old files
17:31 <+perlmonkey2> should image collateral be versioned/
17:31 <@rizen> yup
17:32  * SDuensin likes versions.  
17:32 < SDuensin> Where's that stuff hidden so I can go nuke it?
17:32 <@rizen> well you can click on the icon of any given asset which will bring up a sub-menu and "revisions" will be in there
17:32 <@rizen> or
17:33 <@rizen> you can edit the workflow that cleans up old revs
17:33 <@rizen> to do it more often
17:33 <@rizen> so that it's constantly cleaning out old stuff
17:33 < SDuensin> Reason this is even an issue is that I need to do some work on these MP3s and have to locate the "correct" ones on the filesystem.
17:33 <@rizen> right now it only checks once per week, and only cleans out old stuff after it's hung around for a year
17:34 < SDuensin> Can I just run the "nuke it" workflow?
17:34 <@rizen> no...cuz the settings in the workflow activity only kill stuff older than a year
17:34 <@rizen> you'd have to change that setting first
17:35 < SDuensin> Ah, ok.  I'm still dangerous with workflows.  :-)
17:35 <@rizen> then you could run the nuke it workflow
17:35  * SDuensin is poking around now.
17:35 < topsub> hello rizen, we meet again!
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17:38 <@rizen> i should have killed you in our last encounter topsub. cross me again and you will rue the day you ever met me! <insert evil laugh here>
17:38 < topsub> lol
17:38 < SDuensin> Ok, so how do I make that workflow run _now_?  (I edited the asset delete thing.)
17:39 <@rizen> go to schedule, find the weekly workflow, and click "Run!"
17:39  * SDuensin is chasing funding for his little company.  If (er, WHEN!) he gets it, he's buying *all* the WebGUI shit he can.
17:39 < SDuensin> Damn you rizen - how dare you put things in logical places.
17:40 <@rizen> it would be more logical if the "Schedule" screen was part of the workflow manager..which i intend to do in a future release
17:46 < bartjol> and probably put in a lot of i18n to shut my mouth
17:46  * SDuensin needs to study that stuff for his MP3Info macro.
17:48 < bartjol> but a ribbon is like a discount coupon, only usable several times for different events?
17:52 < SDuensin> What's the latest WebGUI you can run on a pre-0.8.x WRE?  Not finding it in the wiki.
17:53 < bartjol> should be in the changelog
17:53 <@rizen> bartjol: yes
17:53 < SDuensin> cool
17:54  * SDuensin is the odd user who actually reads the docs.  Problem is, he can never FIND them!  :-P
17:54 <@rizen> 7.4.20 i believe
17:54 < bartjol> but what does the Switch To '%s' Badge tag mean in the Asset_eventmanagement system?
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17:55 < bartjol> do you switch badges?
17:55 < bartjol> or other stuff that is related to them to another badge?
17:56 <@rizen> you can buy badges for other people
17:56 <@rizen> so the %s allows you to switch between all the badges that you're buying
17:56 <@rizen> so that you can add tickets to them, ribbons, tokens, etc
17:58 < bartjol> sweet
17:59 < bartjol> so you switch so you can mange the other badge, ok
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18:01 < bartjol> we need bigger conferences here... otherwise the available features will be underestimated... WUC in the netherlands next year?
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18:07 <@tabb> Haha bartjol isn't it pretty cold over there?
18:07 < bartjol> and rainy
18:07 < bartjol> we love cold weather and rain
18:07 < bartjol> and cheese and beer
18:08 < bartjol> wooden shoes
18:08 < bartjol> etc
18:08 < bartjol> but sometimes is nice, and duringthe wuc, most of the time you're inside
18:08 <@tabb> Hmm cheese and beer...I can relate to that! :)
18:09 < bartjol> and right you are!
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18:19 <@rizen> you guys put on a WUC one year, but haven't done it since.
18:19 <@rizen> why is that?
18:20 <@rizen> incidentally the WUC this year in Madison has officially gone international...and more importantly intercontinental
18:20 <@rizen> we'll have people there from 4 continents
18:23 < bartjol> well, I don't know actually, I'm just in the board for a year
18:24 < bartjol> maybe not enough attendees
18:24 < bartjol> maybe too much trouble for organising..
18:25 < bartjol> thinking on the translation of a token...
18:25 < bartjol> it's a bitch
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18:33 <@rizen> feel free to use a different word for "token"
18:33 <@rizen> it could be "item"
18:33 <@rizen> it's really just the sale of some physical good attached to the badge
18:34 <@rizen> people will use it for selling conference t-shirts, conference money, and conference memorabilia
18:34 <@rizen> one conference will even be using it to sell parking and hotel rooms
18:34 < bartjol> ok
18:35 < bartjol> but that doesn't make it easier, item is too broad I think and is also used in abstract terms
18:36 < bartjol> but I''l ponder about it
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18:54 < perlDreamer> bartjol: EMS help is fixed
18:54 < perlDreamer> I wouldn't do too much work in there, as the EMS help is being updated
18:54 < bartjol> jee, that's fast
18:54 < perlDreamer> hey, you're bartjol
18:54 < bartjol> eeeh, yeah off course, who else should I be?
18:55 < perlDreamer> I mean that your i18n translation work gets high priority
18:55 < perlDreamer> mainly because I can fix it quickly :)
18:55 < bartjol> but indeed I'm boring, same name here as on the site
19:00 < perlDreamer> some of us have to remain anonymous due to our superhero identities
19:01 < bartjol> Translating feels more like being a monk than a superhero
19:01 < bartjol> in dutch it's also a word: monnikenwerk
19:02 < bartjol> for long repetative tasks
19:02 < perlDreamer> sing it, Brother BartJol
19:03 < bartjol> the translation blues
19:06 < bartjol> weel I had a festival yesterday, so right now, translating is ok
19:06 < perlDreamer> festival?  Like a party?
19:07 < bartjol> yeah, with a lot of bands, beer and women in a park in Rotterdam
19:08 <@tabb> That sounds like fun ;)
19:13 < perlDreamer> bartjol: There should be a whole raft of i18n for the 7.5.16 release. I'm writing the Help for the new EMS, and fixing i18n bugs uncovered by a new test.
19:14 < bartjol> it was fun
19:16 < bartjol> ah, but please tell me it's not meaningless to translate 7.5.15
19:19 < bartjol> perlDreamer?
19:19 < bartjol> Am I filling my live with performing meaningless tasks?
19:20 < perlDreamer> No, bartjol.  Just know that a lot of existing EMS i18n will be going away and be replaced with bright, shiny, new i18n.
19:20 < bartjol> ok, so everything that is new is good
19:20 <@preaction> mmmm shiny things
19:21 < bartjol> you want the whole i18n as wallpaper preaction?
19:21 <@preaction> wallpaper isnt shiny!
19:21 <@preaction> unless you make it shiny
19:21 <@preaction> printed on aluminum foil perhaps?
19:22 < bartjol> the i18n itself is shiny
19:22 < perlDreamer> preaction: you should check out the new test that I committed this morning
19:22 < perlDreamer> It's another i18n label scanner
19:23 <@preaction> the craziness that parses templates for the ^International macro?
19:23 <@preaction> IT'S SHEER CRAZINESS!
19:23 <@preaction> but it may also be genius!
19:23 <@apeiron> SHEER GENIUS
19:23 < perlDreamer> yup, that's the one
19:23 < perlDreamer> already found 8 broken i18n labels in there
19:24 <@preaction> i wonder... maybe we could add some well-formed markup tests in there someday...
19:24 <@preaction> no, nm. too much HTML in <tmpl_var>
19:24 < perlDreamer> Sure.  I think there is a tidy based test module in CPAN
19:27 < bartjol> perlDreamer, are there namespaces that you want to have checked first (then I can translate them first, and check directly)
19:30 < perlDreamer> anything but EMS
19:30 < perlDreamer> EMS after 7.5.16
19:31 < bartjol> ok, just worked this afternoon on ems, so I can't make the same mistake anymore
19:37 < bartjol> have fun, bye
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20:14 < lisette> anyone know if webgui support OAuth?
20:14 < perlDreamer> WebGUI supports LDAP, and its own internal auth system.
20:15 < perlDreamer> Anything else would be in the Get Add Ons section of webgui.org
20:15 < lisette> but the protocol OAuth?
20:15 <@apeiron> That said, you may be able to find an auth... yeah. :)
20:15 < lisette> this is based on openid
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21:43 <@rizen> he doesn't go out with girls anymore
21:44 <@rizen> he doesn't intend to marry
21:44 <@rizen> he only goes out with guys he adores
21:44 <@rizen> perlDreamer is a 
21:44 < perlDreamer> perl hacker
21:44 <@rizen> very nice guy
21:44 < perlDreamer> speaking of which...
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22:03 < topsub> Not sure if this is true but with thingy it seems like when i check a box to allow users to search by this field and uncheck it. If i check it later it has a diffrent field id? Is this true.. Its what i am seeing but not sure if thats what is causing the id to change
22:26 < Khaytsus> Is Purge Old Trash a newish workflow?  I'm on .19, I know I'm a bit behind, I need to update.  I had to move servers, so I've been avoiding making many changes recently until I'm sure things are settled.
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22:26 < Khaytsus> I'm trying to figure out the 'safest' way to clean out /data/domains/*/public/uploads
22:27 < perlDreamer> Khaytsus, Purge Old Trash is probably the safest way to go.
22:28 < perlDreamer> but it's not new
22:29 < perlDreamer> It's been around since March of 2006
22:29 < Khaytsus> perlDreamer: odd, I don't see it in WorkFlows.
22:29 < Khaytsus> Is that where I'd find it?
22:30 < perlDreamer> Is it in your config file?
22:30 < perlDreamer> WebGUI::Workflow::Activity::PurgeOldTrash
22:30 <@rizen> that's not the name of a workflow khaytsus
22:30 <@rizen> it's the name of an activity in a workflow
22:30 <@rizen> its part of one of the maintenance workflows
22:30 <@rizen> probably the weekly one, but maybe the daily one
22:30 < Khaytsus> Hmmmm...
22:31 < Khaytsus> Sorry, I'm not a very advanced WebGUI user, let me get in admin and look at the workflows for the maintenance
22:32 < Khaytsus> Hourly, daily, and weekly are enabled..  
22:34 < Khaytsus> Honestly not sure what to look for..  editing daily or weekly I see some clean temp etc stuff
22:35 < perlDreamer> It's in the weekly activities
22:35 < perlDreamer> delete assets from trash that have been sitting around for 30 days
22:35 < perlDreamer> that's the name of it
22:35 < Khaytsus> Yeah, that's there
22:36 < perlDreamer> that "instance" is of the PurgeOldTrash type
22:36 < perlDreamer> It is configured to delete trash older than 30 days old
22:36 < Khaytsus> Yep, looks to be set that way to me.  
22:38 < Khaytsus> Maybe it's "missed" some events?  The days are scattered, but goes all the way back to 12/2006 
22:39 < perlDreamer> you're saying that you have things in the Trash from 2006?
22:39 < Khaytsus> Is it safe to wipe out the stuff >30 days old using find?  Just don't want to hose anything, but deleting the files myself I can easily do
22:39 < perlDreamer> Khaytsus: definitely do not do that
22:39 < Khaytsus> drwxr-xr-x 3 apache apache 4096 Dec  9  2006 /data/domains/webgui.theblackmoor.net/public/uploads/ch//
22:40 < perlDreamer> sure, that might be a vital part of WebGUI stored as an upload
22:40 < perlDreamer> the only safe way to know what to delete is to stay inside the system
22:40 < Khaytsus> Right, which is why I haven't done anything silly :)
22:41 <@Haarg> the other thing is old revisions of assets are kept for a year
22:41 <@Haarg> which includes any attached files
22:41 <@Haarg> there's a workflow activity to purge those revisions as well
22:42 < Khaytsus> 724M in the uploads directory and this is really just a small personal website..  
22:46 < Khaytsus> For kicks I ran the three hourly/daily/weekly tasks in the scheduler, no errors in /var/log/webgui.log and they just reported "done"
22:47 < perlDreamer> That's pretty much all the feedback you get from a Workflow Activity
22:48 < Khaytsus> Anything else I can try to nudge it towards dumping the old files?
22:48 <@rizen> set the delete revisions activity to something like 30 days
22:48 <@rizen> and then run that workflow again
22:51 < Khaytsus> Set it to 30 days in weekly and re-ran weekly; no change in storage space used or directories there
22:52 < perlDreamer> What do you put on your "small personal website"?
22:52 < perlDreamer> MP3s, vidoes, pictures, applications?
22:52 < Khaytsus> Oh no, nothing like that.  Just information.
22:54 < perlDreamer> well, if you've deleted the old versions, then the only thing left is originals.
22:54 < perlDreamer> There must really be 724 MB of data in there
22:54 < Khaytsus> A great deal of it is cookie files
22:54 < perlDreamer> cookie files?
22:54 < Khaytsus> 91,300 files
22:55 <@rizen> do you have a lot of http proxies on your site?
22:55 < Khaytsus> Actually yes I do
22:55 < Khaytsus> You can smack me, but they're to use an existing hit counter
22:55 <@rizen> those cookie files are created by the http proxy assets
22:55 < Khaytsus> I tried to figure out how to do a webgui-native one and gave up
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22:57 <@rizen> hit counter?
22:57 <@rizen> you mean circa 1994?
22:58 < Khaytsus> :P
22:58 < Khaytsus> I think I wrote it around then TBG
22:58 < Khaytsus> TBH
22:59 < Khaytsus> 2002, but anyway :)
23:00 < Khaytsus> So are the cookies files safe to delete?
23:03 <@rizen> here i just whipped this one up for you in about 32 seconds:
23:03 <@rizen> http://webgui.pastebin.com/m29199a71
23:03 <@rizen> yes you can safely delete the cookies files
23:04 < perlDreamer> rizen: do we need a workflow activity to do that?  91 kFiles is a lot of inodes
23:04 <@rizen> pd: wouldn't hurt
23:07 < Khaytsus> rizen: Cool, I was between meetings, thank you!  Deceptively simple!
23:08 < Khaytsus> rizen: Would that work per-page?
23:08 < perlDreamer> Khaytsus, you would have to use a different counter name on each page
23:08 <@rizen> you'd have to create a new counter name on every page
23:09 < Khaytsus> so "my counter" would be page-specific
23:10 < perlDreamer> yes
23:10 < Khaytsus> Cool, that's easy enough.  I'll try to put it in place this week, I'll hopefully figure out any other details via searches 
23:10 < Khaytsus> (rather than asking you all more dumb questions)
23:11 < perlDreamer> Well, by asking "dumb questions" you got a free macro and helped us to realize that the HTTP Proxy asset leaks cookie files.
23:11 < perlDreamer> Please keep asking!
23:11 < perlDreamer> Oh, and if you're willing, create a wiki page about the simple hit counter macro.
23:11 < perlDreamer> It might help other people out.
23:11 < Khaytsus> :)  Sure, I'll be glad to do that.
23:13 < Khaytsus> bb, another meeting.  Hopefully I have time to play with this a bit today, I haven't messed with WebGUI at this level in a while, but it's a fun system.  
23:13 < Khaytsus> Hell of a lot easier to figure out than the old one where I never could remember which little node of something does what.
23:14 < perlDreamer> what was the old one?
23:15 <@rizen> here's one that autocreates counters for each page:
23:15 <@rizen> http://webgui.pastebin.com/m47421a97
23:16 <@rizen> put that in your wiki page too
23:17 < perlDreamer> would passive profiling work for this?
23:17 < perlDreamer> of course, it's more complex than the macro
23:19 <@rizen> you probably could use passive profiling
23:19 <@rizen> honestly though, i haven't messed with passive profiling in several years, i don't even know how to use it
23:20 <@rizen> i should really build a nice gui around that system to make it more accessible to peeps
23:20 < perlDreamer> I think that subsystem might be down now anyway. Kristi has a bug posted against it.
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23:23 < rizen_> sorry, don't know what happened there
23:23 < perlDreamer> freenode is having problems
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23:23 <@rizen> wtf
23:24 < perlDreamer> freenode is having problems
23:25 <@rizen> with me specifically?
23:25 <@rizen> what did i do to them
23:25 <@rizen> =)
23:25 < perlDreamer> You're associated with me
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23:49 < Sara> Hi, I have a question about the macros
23:49 < perlDreamer> okay
23:49 < Sara> is there a macro that show the URL?
23:50 < Sara> The current url?
23:50 < perlDreamer> do you mean like ^PageUrl()?
23:52 < Sara> Let me se
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23:56 < Khaytsus> rizen: Okay, I'm stumped on which table to insert the counter information into :)
23:56 < perlDreamer> there is a table called incrementer.
23:56 < Khaytsus> Oh snap
23:57 < perlDreamer> but the second version of the macro will handle that work for you.
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00:04 < Sara> Tks, PerlDreamer
00:05 < perlDreamer> You're welcome, Sara.  The wiki has good information about macros.  http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki
00:10 < Khaytsus> Oh, I missed the second version, nice!  :))
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00:44 < Khaytsus> Okay, one more thing..  I added it to the conf, but I am getting "^PageHitCounter;" in the asset as text, not the macro.
00:44 <@preaction> check the error log
00:44 < Khaytsus> I've triple-checked the macro reference in the conf, name, and in the macro.   k
00:45 < Khaytsus> Undefined routine &WebGUI::Macro::PageHitCounter
00:47 <@preaction> er.. that can't be the whole error message
00:47 < Khaytsus> k
00:47 < Khaytsus> http://webgui.pastebin.com/m78e1f33f
00:48 <@preaction> there's most likely a syntax error in the macro code
00:49 < Khaytsus> I did fix a missing quote, but here's the code.  
00:49 < Khaytsus> http://webgui.pastebin.com/m47421a97
00:50 < Khaytsus> I fixed a missing quote in line 13, $db->write("insert into incrementer values (?,0)", [$name]);
00:52 <@preaction> eh, looks all right to me. dunno what the problem is
00:52 < Khaytsus> If I try to execute it with perl, it doe error but I can't figure out why..
00:52 < Khaytsus> http://webgui.pastebin.com/m60365f0b
00:54 < Khaytsus> Doh, missing ) on the unless line
00:55 < Khaytsus> Works :)
00:56 < Khaytsus> Thanks everyone, I hope I wasn't too much trouble.  I'll write up somethign on the wiki to document it, I've seen in the past requests for page counters, this is very simple and works well
01:02 <@rizen> keep in mind that the more pages you have the more your database will grow because it's keeping stats on this stuff. granted, that several hundred pages won't make a difference, but several hundred thousand will.
01:03 < Khaytsus> Nah, I bet I have <50
01:04 < Khaytsus> BTW, I added a small tidbit..  added an optional argument which prepopulates if specified to that value
01:05 <@rizen> keep in mind that every post in a CS is potentially an additional page
01:05 <@rizen> and every wikipage, and every photo in the gallery, etc
01:07 < Khaytsus> So I can transfer my current hits into this new hit system
01:07 < Khaytsus> (sorry, was being queried on something...  Should have closed my office door :)
01:07 < Khaytsus> So I should be smart about where I place the macros..  I'm actually placing them in the content on the page, not in the design..  yet, anyway
01:10 < Khaytsus> Would you say the best suggestion for using the macro is just to place it within each page, rather than in a template that would, as you say, potentially cause a hit for every asset within it?
01:10 < Khaytsus> (I'm probably wording that wrong)
01:13 < Khaytsus> Okay, bbiab, headed home.
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01:31 < CIA-6> WebGUI: Add a test that scans templates for International macros
01:31 < CIA-6> WebGUI: and makes sure that their namespaces and labels resolve.
01:31 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r6880 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/ (Friends.pm Asset_Event.pm): Fix broken labels in template macro calls.
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01:31 < CIA-6> WebGUI: Fix a misspelling in the default calendar print event template. Bad International
01:31 < CIA-6> WebGUI: macro call.
01:31 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r6882 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Template.pm: fix a typo in the Asset::Template getList POD
01:31 < CIA-6> WebGUI: jt * r6883 /WebGUI/docs/ (changelog/7.x.x.txt upgrades/upgrade_7.4.40-7.5.16.pl): making beta / stable branch merge
01:31 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r6884 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset_EventManagementSystem.pm: fix a typo in the EMS token instructions help
01:31 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r6885 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 2 dirs): fixed: More permissive DSN checking to allow use of SQLite (thanks pathma)
01:31 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r6886 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.5.16/all_7.5_packages.wgpkg: created merged package file
01:31 < CIA-6> WebGUI: jt * r6887 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/ (upgrade_7.4.40-7.5.16.pl upgrade_7.5.5-7.5.6.pl): first cut of the beta to stable merge
01:32 < perlDreamer> wow, those were almost 7 hours ago
01:32 < CIA-6> WebGUI: frank * r6888 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fixed an issue which would sometimes cause pop ups to fail on the project display page.
01:32 < CIA-6> WebGUI: frank * r6889 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: Project Management Fix
01:33 <@rizen> Khaytsus i'd put it in the style, unless you only want the counter on specific pages
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02:24 < elnino> hi all.  SEO consultant causing problems again.
02:25 < elnino> is it correct that webgui's core is xhtml compliant?
02:25 < elnino> and is it true that IE doesn't recognize or support xhtml?
02:26 < elnino> if so, webgui is a bad product say our SEO consultant.. and because we pay her, she's right, right?  who hired her anyway?
02:26 < elnino> grr.
02:26 < elnino> any advice? if not, thanks for listening.
02:26 < elnino> =)
02:27 < perlDreamer> It is true that wG's core is xhtml compliant.
02:28 < perlDreamer> I can't talk about IE, except anecdotally.  And it sucks
02:34 < elnino> this really stinks.  She's good. but I really have a hard time believing PPC will be penalized because we aren't "IE Tidy"
02:35 < Khaytsus> elnino: I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure xhtml does not mean the output is really that different than html.
02:35 < Khaytsus> To the end-user, xhtml and html are basically equivilent.
02:35 < perlDreamer> elnino, I know of an SEO expert who deals with WebGUI regularly.  It will not prevent you from getting page rank.
02:35 < Khaytsus> xhtml adds some extra requirements, but I seriously doubt WebGUI "won't work" or render or what not on IE.
02:35 < perlDreamer> Would you like her name?
02:36 < elnino> I wouldn't mind bouncing ideas off of your SEO expert.
02:36 < perlDreamer> Her name is Tiffany Patterson.
02:36 < perlDreamer> Let me dig up a website/email address.
02:36 < perlDreamer> actually...
02:36 < elnino> that would be great. Thanks!
02:36 < perlDreamer> khenn, are you online?
02:38 < perlDreamer> I believe this is her website: http://elitedesignsltd.com/
02:38 < perlDreamer> I'll double check and post back tomorrow.
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02:58 <@preaction> elnino, IE doesn't support XHTML as an XML dialect. I'll explain...
02:58 <@preaction> XML is another subset of SGML, like HTML is a subset of SGML
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02:59 <@preaction> however, in XML, you are REQUIRED to close tags, it is REQUIRED that all tag and attribute names are lower-case, there are NO "boolean" tags (<input type="checkbox" checked>)
02:59 <@preaction> XML is designed to make SGML easier for computers to interpret
02:59 < elnino> got it so far.
02:59 <@preaction> HTML allows for so many truly evil things, like <p> (with no closing </p>), or <li> (no closing </li>)
03:00 <@preaction> so XHTML is the XML version of HTML
03:00 <@preaction> since XHTML is an XML dialect, it has a content-type (MIME) of "application/xhtml+xml"
03:00 <@preaction> not text/html (since it is not html)
03:00 <@preaction> sending a content-type of application/xhtml+xml to IE makes it fail
03:01 <@preaction> furthermore, sending that content-type to Firefox or some other browsers changes the behavior to make the browser verify the XML's well-formedness
03:01 <@preaction> so if the XHTML document is not well-formed (has bad syntax), an error is shown instead of the page
03:01 <@preaction> this is a Good Thing (tm)
03:02 <@preaction> so, since IE does not syntax check the XML, and does not accept the correct content-type, it can be said that IE is basically treating XHTML as weird-looking HTML
03:02 <@preaction> which is true
03:02 <@preaction> so, some die-hards distill this down to the non-techies that "IE does not support XHTML"
03:02 <@preaction> which, again, is true from a certain point of view
03:03 <@preaction> IE can use XHTML, can render XHTML, but it cannot say it fully-supports XHTML since it does not follow XML's rules (display an error page and do not try to render documents with syntax errors)
03:04 <@preaction> the die-hards (and i agree on this one) say that we shouldn't use XHTML because of this: When the switch is flipped, and XHTML starts getting sent as application/xhtml+xml, probably thousands of websites will break, and they will blame application/xhtml+xml or whatever browser is doing the well-formedness checks
03:05 <@preaction> when in fact the culprit is their shoddy website
03:05 <@preaction> Joel Spolsky did a good piece on the problems with web standards
03:05 <@preaction> which basically applies here: we should stop using the broken way of doing things (xhtml) and keep using the working way of doing things (html 4.01 strict) until such time as browsers support xhtml in the correct way
03:06 <@preaction> but, WebGUI gets a free ride here: We control what Content-type gets sent at all times, so if we wanted, we could send application/xhtml+xml to Mozilla-/Gecko-based browsers and text/html to Trident-based browsers (IE 6 and 7)
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03:07 <@preaction> most likely we won't do that, since it's hacky and ugly and (as mentioned before) will probably break people's sites
03:12 < elnino> hmm. good. I'm going to re-read this a couple times and make it a wiki... =) Do you have a link to Joels Spolsky's article?
03:13 <@preaction> http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2008/03/17.html <- this one
03:13 <@preaction> it's about web standards as a whole
03:14 <@preaction> it doesn't directly address the application/xhtml+xml thing (since it's not really a thing that everyone knows)
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03:42 < patspam> is the dev list playing up?
03:42 < patspam> I sent an email 17hrs ago that hasn't shown up yet
03:42 <@preaction> i think. we've been getting some pages from plainblack.com, i suspect things will be back to normal shortly
03:43 < patspam> ah ok. I'll give it some more time
03:49 < elnino> hey preaction... I noticed tha tmicrosoft's site is xhtml=transitional. That's will blow our SEO's mind... 
03:53 <@preaction> not really. google still doesn't pass validation
03:53 <@preaction> these are problems, doing what they do is still not the right thing to do
03:55 < elnino> I know, but the fact that they are trying, and it still works in IE, and they have good rankings with google. Our SEO consultant was saying that our rankings will suffer.
03:57 < elnino> Joel's article is great! I appreciate you taking the time to explain this, and giving me the article. I think I understand this enough to talk intelligently and feel intelligent about it.
03:57 < elnino> out of curiousity, is webgui going to consider doing html 4.01 strict?
03:58 <@preaction> no. it would be impossible at the current stage
03:58 <@preaction> even as a switch it would be highly unlikely (the switch for it would have to be hacked in, and it would be extremely ugly)
03:58 <@preaction> there are a lot of WebGUI that generates markup (not just adds data to variables to be processed in templates)
03:58 <@preaction> the HTMLForm, TabForm, etc...
03:58 <@preaction> the form controls
04:01 < elnino> yeah, I saw all that stuff in the perl. That would be a mess to change.
04:01 < elnino> well, even if it isn't the "right" thing to do, I'm still ok using xhtml in webgui - there isn't any reason NOT to use it, as long as you know that when the appliation/xhtml+xml thing gets implmented, that when your site breaks, it's becuase you didn't validate and correct your site's code. I'll strive to make my site as closely xhtml compliant as possible. 
04:02 < elnino> even tinymce strives to be xhtml compliant. So it would be hard do otherwise with anything using tinymce
04:02 < elnino> Just checking - it sounds like I understand, right?
04:03 < elnino> cause I feel somewhat intelligent about it now... =)
04:13 <+Radix-wrk> joel spotsky hits the nail on the head again in that article doesn't he :)
04:14 <@preaction> elnino, exactly. there's no good reason not to continue doing things in XHTML. there's a minor reason not to START doing things in XHTML 1.0 Strict (and that reason is waiting for XHTML 2.0 and the next generation of browsers)
04:27 < elnino> Thanks guys!!  I hope you have a good night. I'll sum this up in a wiki..good info if people are concerned about xhtml (in webgui) and IE browsers like my seo consultant seems to be.
04:38 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r6890 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 
04:38 < CIA-6> WebGUI: Huge update of EMS Help and i18n. Old i18n and help have been
04:38 < CIA-6> WebGUI: removed, and new Help and i18n have been added. 2-3 more EMS
04:38 < CIA-6> WebGUI: templates still need their template variables documented.
04:39 <@preaction> i suspect i'll be writing a blog entry about it tonight or wednesday, since the staff blog has been woefully under-used
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05:00 < elnino> hey preaction,  is there a place I can change webgui to be xhtml transitional instead of strict?
05:01 <@preaction> your style template is what sets the doctype
05:01 <@preaction> webgui doesn't do anything with that. since it outputs xhtml strict, you can call it transitional if you want
05:01 <@preaction> (though the same is not true the other way around)
05:04 < elnino> I just found it as you just responded. Yep, understood - it just saves me a lot of editing.  =)  Thanks again!
05:05 <@preaction> all honesty, i'd still use "strict"
05:05 <@preaction> and if it's validated, that means essentially you would survive if your markup was passed through an XML filter (probably)
05:06 <@preaction> there are <![CDATA[ ... ]]> and such that are allowed in Strict but aren't allowed in XML
05:06 <@preaction> you don't even want to know how you'd have to escape Javascript and CSS in the XHTML files
05:06 < elnino> true... I'll work towards it, but to  pacify my seo consultant. I have less errors this way. =)
05:07 <@preaction> ah, mais oui
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05:29 < elnino_laptop> hey preaction:  http://www.webdevout.net/articles/beware-of-xhtml  is a interesting site. with quotes from developers from all sorts of browsers.  And... apparantly xhtml 1.0 is completely incompatible with xhtml 2.0.. - just an interesting read for your free time.
05:30 <@preaction> yeah, been there. which is why you'll see me on the HTML 4.01 Strict side of the fence most days
05:30 <@preaction> but JT is TMRFE and as I mentioned before, "fixing" WebGUI is such a huge effort...
05:31 <@preaction> and for all real purposes, xhtml is just fine. for SEO purposes, it makes absolutely no difference
05:33 <@preaction> i won't go into how much snake-oil SEO really is once you get rid of "Conform to standards" and "Validate your markup" and "use Strict, not Transitional" and "Use Semantic Markup" and "Seperate content and presentation" and finally "Use JavaScript only by progressive enhancement"
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05:34 <@preaction> i mean, we could discuss link farms and google pagerank, but if one uses those precepts one will find oneself prey to the people who find a way to close those loopholes
05:37 < elnino_laptop> true...  Well. I'm really done for the night.. Truely...  Have a good night.
05:38 < elnino_laptop> and if you hear from perldreamer, I found the consultant he recommended..  Thanks to him.
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16:00 < SDuensin> Morning.
16:05 < BartJol> hi
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17:41 < topsub> is there any way to be able to add custom fields for products? Like meta data but i don't want it to show up globally
17:47 < BartJol> in c2 or c1?
17:48 < BartJol> I think you can add properties to vevery sku.
17:48 < BartJol> in the template you can decide whether or not to show it
17:49 < BartJol> but, I haven't tried it
17:52 < topsub> hmm
17:52 < topsub> BartJol, is there a setup for these properties or is it per product?
17:53 < BartJol> I think it is per product
17:53 < topsub> well wait.. i guess i could change the "add a feature" to what i need
17:53 < topsub> and be able to search for that
17:53 < BartJol> but if you use sku for very similar products, you need only 1
17:53 < BartJol> ooh, searching... dunno about that
17:54 < topsub> hmm well let me restate i will need to be able to pull out of the database based on my custom field
17:55 < topsub> i will need to ad a date to each product
17:55 < BartJol> ok, so my option is useless (just affirmation)
17:55 < topsub> and want to use sql report to pull out the products based on the date
17:56 < BartJol> isn't that in the assetdata of a product?
17:56 < BartJol> so compare product with assetdata and grep the date from the assetData table
17:57 < BartJol> oh, that's the date created
17:57 < BartJol> sorry
17:57 < topsub> ya... good thought tho
17:57 < BartJol> almost a good idea...
17:57 < topsub> lol ya
17:57 < topsub> had an idea could i embed it in the variant
17:57 < topsub> to say this product is a webshow and from your variants you can select what dates you want to go to
17:58 <@preaction> topsub, your best bet probably would be to make a subclass of Product and add your properties to its definition
17:58 <@preaction> or... are you looking for the Event Management System?
17:58 < topsub> we don't want to have to add a badge to buy a ticket
17:58 < topsub> is what we are trying to avoid
18:00 < BartJol> well, if you make all variants with adjusted date parameters, maybe you can sort by a  param.type.value tmpl_var, or am I thinking to simple
18:00 < BartJol> ?
18:02 < topsub> I am looking to use sql report to pull out these products based on the dates
18:03 < BartJol> wel if you add a feature, it is stored in Product_feature
18:04 < BartJol> these tables are avaiable, just (ab)use them for your goal:
18:04 < BartJol> Product_accessory                        |
18:04 < BartJol> | Product_benefit                          |
18:04 < BartJol> | Product_feature                          |
18:04 < BartJol> | Product_related                          |
18:04 < BartJol> | Product_specification
18:04 < BartJol> those you can search with a sqlreport
18:05 < topsub> that might be a possible solution
18:05 < BartJol> I am not as dumb as I look :)
18:08 < topsub> lol never passed judgement
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18:12 < topsub> so i will now write a sql report to pull based on features and then just link them back to the product.. think that will work
18:13 < BartJol> it's worth an attempt
18:13 < topsub> Seems like it will work.. thanks BartJol
18:13 < BartJol> good luck!
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18:40 < juan> i hava a site with many assets and in all of them we have path with absolute urls.  now we need to change that domain.  Have to edit each asset to change  the url or what can i do?
18:42 < perlDreamer> juan: changing the domain (sitename) should not matter unless you hard-coded it into the content.  
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18:43 < juan> this is the problem
18:44 < perlDreamer> So, in the content you put the sitename in URLs?
18:44 < juan> yes
18:44 < perlDreamer> Well, you have a problem :)
18:44 < perlDreamer> It will need to be changed by hand, or you could try to write a small perl script to go through the database to change it.
18:45 < perlDreamer> In the future, you should consider using a macro to hold the sitename for you.
18:45 < perlDreamer> either ^u; for the company URL, or ^/; for the gateway URL.
18:46 < perlDreamer> then WebGUI will handle the site name for you and your content will be more portable.
18:47 < BartJol> eeh perlDreamer, I fould another i18n thingy
18:47 < BartJol> have fun with it :)
18:48 < perlDreamer> oy, that's my code, too
18:48  * perlDreamer is shamed
18:48 < perlDreamer> It's hard to blush on IRC
18:48 < BartJol> whoahhaha
18:48 < BartJol> evil laughs are easier
18:48 < BartJol> but gotta go, I'm hungry and were going out for dinner woth procolix
18:49 < juan> do you know what tables need to be changed?
18:49 < perlDreamer> juan, what assets do you have on your site?
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18:49 < perlDreamer> table wobject, field description will get many of them.
18:49 < perlDreamer> But you also need Post, Snippet, maybe Template and so on.
18:50 < perlDreamer> It might be easier to do it by hand through the interface, rather than a script.
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18:50 < juan> ok
18:50 < juan> i am going to change by hand
18:51 < perlDreamer> how many pages are there?
18:52 < juan> around 100 pages
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21:56 < perlDreamer> Haarg: would it help if I started using UTF-8 in some of the tests?
21:57 <@Haarg> it would be good to have some tests for utf8 stuff, yeah
21:58 < perlDreamer> I'll start reading up on it, then.  All I know now is "\x{dddd}".
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22:05 < elnino> hey perldreamer, found Tiffany.  We'll be talking SEO stuff tomorrow. Thanks for the lead!!
22:05 < perlDreamer> You're welcome.
22:05 < perlDreamer> I know the SEO consultant has been giving you problems for quite a while.
22:08 < elnino> Well, she know her stuff, and like everyone else, everyone is going to be an expert in something, and not-so-much-of-an-expert in other areas. And that's where it's dangereous. I'm learning how important it is to identify common ground and go from there. A difficult lesson for me.
22:13 < topsub> Alright it seems i just packaged up a thingy and imported it on our dev box ( save version as my sandbox ) and everything imported but the data in the databases didn't. Any suggestions?
22:13 < perlDreamer> look in the Thingy code to see if that's supposed to work.
22:14 <@preaction> there's a way to export the data, i'm pretty sure the package is just supposed to be the schema, with no data inside
22:14 < topsub> hmm, any document on how exporting data can be done?
22:15 < perlDreamer> AssetPackage.pm
22:15 <@preaction> it should be a link
22:15 <@preaction> or maybe it's only per-Thing that you can export, i don't know
22:15 <@preaction> the discussion was here, but i don't remember it
22:16 < topsub> hmm looking now
22:16 < perlDreamer> In the search screen, if you're in the exportGroup, it will give you a link
22:17 < perlDreamer> also assumes that the template uses the export_url template variable
22:17 < topsub> i am on the beta now looking
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22:21 < topsub> hmm on the search page i see import can't see export yet. let me make sure this template has the variable
22:23 < perlDreamer> You might actually have to do a search, as well.
22:23 < topsub> wow
22:23 < topsub> thats it
22:23 < topsub> have to search for what you want
22:23 < topsub> then export the data
22:23 < topsub> thats kinda busted
22:24 < topsub> not what i was expecting
22:24 < perlDreamer> I agree.  It suxors.
22:24 < topsub> nice call perlDreamer
22:24 < perlDreamer> Just write a patch that fixes it in a reasonable way and RFE it.
22:24 < topsub> u act like i have all this time on my hand.. lol
22:25 < topsub> trying to transfer this site from my sandbox to dev server and bam no data..
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22:26 <@preaction> it would probably be easier to transfer database dumps
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22:28 < perlDreamer> topsub, after 6 years of using and developing wG, I have found the fastest way to get what you want is to do it yourself.
22:28 < perlDreamer> No one else has your priorities.
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22:31 < topsub> i  agree, just don't have the time on this project to do that
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23:53 <@preaction> would it be evil of me to use an i18n value to test if a certain button is clicked?
23:54 <@preaction> so if ( $form->get('action') eq $i18n->get( 'delete' ) ) { ... }
23:54 < perlDreamer> I don't think it would be evil.
23:54 < perlDreamer> Just so long as it doesn't end up looking like Calendar www_view
23:54 <@preaction> if IE6 supported the <button> element properly, i wouldn't be asking this... :p
23:55 <@preaction> i'm trying to avoid using JS, is why
23:55 <@Haarg> what would <button> allow you to do?
23:55 < perlDreamer> and why avoid JS?
23:55 <@preaction> button allows me to set value="" and have a different label inside of it
23:56 <@preaction> <button name="action" value="cut">Cutez</button>
23:56 <@preaction> IE6 uses the contents of the button as the value though
23:56 <@preaction> but <input type="submit" name="action" value="Cutez" /> <- Cutez is the value and the label
23:57 <@Haarg> what about using a different name?
23:58 <@preaction> sigh... always coming up with a valid solution that invalidates my entire problem...
23:58 <@preaction> i mean, sounds good
23:58 <@preaction> don't know why i didn't remember that, did the same thing for the GalleryAlbum www_edit buttons...
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00:10 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r6905 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
00:10 < CIA-6> WebGUI: fixed: Asset Manager shows data error when no child assets to display
00:10 < CIA-6> WebGUI: changed: show 25 items per page in asset manager
00:12 <@preaction> we're releasing .16 this week, right?
00:13 <@Haarg> yes
00:14 <@preaction> Haarg, about the changing the default page size: my idea was to try to keep the asset manager inside the browser window, so that people wouldn't ahve to scroll to click on the pagination links
00:14 < perlDreamer> so to fix the DataTable data error problem, all you have to do is pass it a valid but empty data set?
00:14 <@preaction> my eventual goal would be to make the New Content, Clipboard, and Packages things fly-out menus, as well
00:16 <@Haarg> it made it really annoying to navigate imo.  jt had already tried to change it to 25, but apparently the setting in the perl module is ignored.
00:16 <@preaction> yeah, it's in the JS
00:16 <@Haarg> the array of assets was being autovivicated.  just making sure it always existed fixed the issue, and it reports there are no items.
00:19 < perlDreamer> I'll have to remember that when I rework the Tax screen in the Shop.
00:20 < perlDreamer> also, is it safe to assume that everywhere that to_json and from_json are used that I should be used encode_json and decode_json instead?
00:21 <@Haarg> yeah
00:22 < perlDreamer> ack '(from|to)_json' /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI
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02:15 < perlDreamer> rizen: http://www.perlfoundation.org/perl5/index.cgi?web_frameworks
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04:27 < CIA-6> WebGUI: Lookup the name of the International macro is the specified config file.
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06:51 < metanil> i am getting this errors (from yesterday) ->http://www.pastehere.com/?sadsio
06:51 < metanil> any idea?
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07:10 < perlDreamer> metanil, you have core MySQL problems.  I'd start googling for that error "disconnect invalidates 1 active statement handle (either destroy statement handles or call finish on them before disconnecting)" and see what you find.
07:12 < metanil> oki
07:14 < metanil> perDreamer: what about the file it was looking for? i cannot find that file in my local folder too.. 
07:15 < metanil> perlDreamer: what about the file it was looking for? i cannot find that file in my local folder too.. 
07:15 < perlDreamer> well, if it's gone, it's gone.
07:15 < perlDreamer> But that's a part of your db
07:15 < perlDreamer> I hope you have backups
07:15 < metanil> oops
07:15 < perlDreamer> no backups?
07:16 < metanil> no recent ones
07:16 < metanil> i do have.. but its pretty old.
07:16 < perlDreamer> metanil, you need to have daily backups
07:16 < perlDreamer> and you should keep weekly backups for several months
07:16 < perlDreamer> for just this kind of occasion
07:16 < metanil> :D yes... my bad :(
07:16 < perlDreamer> metanil, I'm very sorry.
07:17 < perlDreamer> Are you using the WRE?  Maybe it's backing things up for you?
07:17 < metanil> yes
07:17 < metanil> i'm using WRE
07:18 < perlDreamer> well, some place in there (I don't use the WRE) it has automatic backups.
07:18 < perlDreamer> You might want to check the setup.
07:19 < metanil> great!
07:19 < metanil> lemme look
07:21 < metanil> perlDreamer: i think i found the source of the problem
07:21 < perlDreamer> good!
07:21 < perlDreamer> what is it?
07:21 < metanil> someone changed the permission of all within mysqldata
07:21 < metanil> (most probably)
07:21 < metanil> because its showing root now
07:22 < metanil> i guess it should be 'webgui' isn't it?
07:23 < perlDreamer> I don't know.  It needs to be readable by the mysql user.
07:31 < metanil> perlDreamer: yes, i just verified it.. its permission issue... thanks for the lead.
07:31 < perlDreamer> you're welcome
07:31 < perlDreamer> Now, SET UP THE BACKUPS!
07:31 < perlDreamer> Do it now, so you don't forget or anything else happens.
07:31 < metanil> :D oh yeah.. 
07:32 < metanil> does wre has option for it.. or i have to manually write script.
07:32 < perlDreamer> I'm almost positive that the WRE will do backups for you, bug again, I don't use it.
07:33 < metanil> hmm.. i'll look at it then.. 
07:33 < metanil> time to head off now..
07:34 < perlDreamer> g'night
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08:07 < wgGuest17> hello
08:08 < wgGuest17> hey, I just installed webgui on RHEL4 (centos)
08:08 < wgGuest17> I added a site, but when I go to it, it is just garbaly goop
08:09 < wgGuest17> but if I go to mysite.com:8081
08:09 < wgGuest17> it's like it is what I want on port 80.
08:09 < wgGuest17> Whats the deal?
08:11 <@Haarg> does the system already have a different service running on port 80?
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09:02 < patspam> he/she probably forgot to restart the wre
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09:14 < tavisto_> no, I honestly don't think we should ban preaction from the IRC channel. He's a good guy
09:14 <@preaction> HA! as if you could!
09:14 < tavisto_> wait for it... ah there it is!
09:15 <@preaction> one day I shall show you what being a Founder truly means
09:15 < tavisto_> hehe
09:15 <@preaction> and then you shall RUE the day you ever dared cross me!
09:15 < tavisto_> go on... start rueing
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10:08 <@tavisto> preaction, do you know anything about quantities in the shopping cart?
10:08 <@tavisto> I'm noticing that the products that were imported from 7.4 all have a quantity of -1 in their single variants
10:09 <@tavisto> what's interesting is that instead of disabling the product/variant, it's still available as a live product that can be added. However, the quantity in the ViewCart screen forces the quantity to 1.
10:09 <@tavisto> so this could be by design.... or it could be a bug. :)
10:10 <@tavisto> it's actually very useful for situations where you want to force the user to only be able to buy one
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14:23 < ryuu_ro> Hi guys, does some one has experience with the following?
14:23 < ryuu_ro> I have a webgui site and a mail app written in Perl
14:23 < ryuu_ro> the webgui runs under the wre
14:23 < ryuu_ro> the mail app runs in a different env
14:24 < ryuu_ro> in the webgui site I have a link to the mail app (I use a redirect)
14:24 < ryuu_ro> when I click the link in IE 6 I get an internal server error
14:24 < ryuu_ro> IE 7, FF 1 2 3 works fine
14:25 < ryuu_ro> does anybody have an idea?
14:30 < BartJol> you already asked me... ;)
14:38 < ryuu_ro> Bartjol: thanks a lot..... :)
14:46 < ryuu_ro> Bartjol: what word did you use for the translation of tingy? I can't recall
14:46 < BartJol> thingy :)
14:46 < ryuu_ro> figures
14:47 < BartJol> nicely translated isn't it :)
14:48 < ryuu_ro> well done, the point of a translation is that we can read the text in our own language right?
14:50 < BartJol> well thingy is just a name, which can't be translated
14:52 < ryuu_ro> then how do you explain that sesame's street's big bird is called Pino in Dutch?
14:53 < ryuu_ro> :)
15:01 < BartJol> nice comparison
15:01 < ryuu_ro> thanks
15:04 < BartJol> oh, and the answer is on wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sesamstraat
15:05 < ryuu_ro> hmm, I never knew that. Thanks Wikipedia!
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16:00 < ckotil> Does anyone create an offline/static copy of their webgui site(s)?
16:01 < ckotil> and whats the best way to accomplish that? crawling, export to html workflow?
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16:17 < SDuensin> Greetings.
16:19 < BartJol> hi
16:19 < BartJol> hee tobsub, did your product date query succeed?
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17:34 < topsub> bartjol, finallly at like 10 i got to create a subclass of product
17:34 < topsub> sorry you missspelled my name so it never popped that someone talking to me
17:34 < BartJol> oops
17:35 < BartJol> copy paste is da bomb!
17:35 < topsub> i got the sub class going for product for a web ticket.. Added custom fields to it and created database
17:37 < topsub> but yes in the end a sql report will work perfect to pull the upcoming web shows
17:38 < BartJol> brb
17:50 < BartJol> well, problem solved in an elaborate way 
17:56 < topsub> yep it did
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18:51 < perlDreamer> BartJol: All fixed
18:53 < BartJol> great
18:54 < perlDreamer> You should tell Koen that you only get paid to translate WebGUI, not proofread it.  That should be an extra charge :)
18:57 < perlDreamer> metanil: Have you set up your backups yet?
18:59 < BartJol> well, then Koen will send a bill to JT for making incomplete software
19:00 < perlDreamer> I'd like to see that
19:00 < BartJol> only when I can see JT's face when KOen gives it to him, so maybe at the wuc
19:00 < BartJol> maybe Koen should start prac tise running
19:01 < perlDreamer> It wouldn't matter.
19:01 < perlDreamer> rizen_ packs iron
19:01 < rizen_> and don't forget that i have more minions than he does
19:02 < BartJol> so he's strong, but when Koen is fast, he can outrun him...
19:02 < perlDreamer> "packs iron" is slang for "has a gun"
19:02 < BartJol> aha, but don't underestimate me
19:02 < BartJol> I will encourage PB when they start chasing Koen
19:03 < BartJol> ah
19:03 < BartJol> I don't know that much slang
19:04 < BartJol> and minions=bullets?
19:04 < perlDreamer> No, minions = mindless zombie followers
19:06 < BartJol> well, gotta go, someone is cooking for me
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19:23 < perlDreamer> rizen_: I want your templates
19:24 < rizen_> huh?
19:24 < perlDreamer> I want your Product template
19:24 < rizen_> what product template
19:24 < perlDreamer> to close one of Kristi's bugs
19:24 < perlDreamer> The one you use for merchandise
19:24 < rizen_> on plainblack.com?
19:24 < perlDreamer> yup
19:25 < rizen_> but it's modified for our site
19:25 < perlDreamer> that's okay.  I'll modify it and send it back, and we can close the bug.
19:25 < perlDreamer> I'd do it myself, but my admin access to pb.com seems to be down.
19:26 < rizen_> i'll email it to you
19:27 < rizen_> or better yet
19:27 < rizen_> get it here: https://www.plainblack.com/uploads/temp/49/493VuCRN5_Na5KGsJg0tCw/templates_product_webgui-merchandise-product.wgpkg
19:27 < perlDreamer> thanks
19:37 < perlDreamer> rizen_: updated product template back at ya
19:38 < perlDreamer> coming via email
19:38 < rizen_> aren't you just going to check it in?
19:38 < rizen_> or is this only on plainblack.com
19:38 < perlDreamer> It's PB's template
19:38 < perlDreamer> it's customized
19:39 < perlDreamer> I think that the merch products could also use some Inventory Control love, since I know you have Gooeys in stock
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19:44 < elnino> hi all. would someone be able to tel me what fields in a pagelayout the search asset looks for when searching only layout assets?  I thought it onetime searched titles and menu titles, but it appears that it doesn't.. =( 
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19:46 < perlDreamer> elnino, that's what it is supposed to do.  Title, menu title and (description or synopsis)
19:46 <@preaction> it doesn't search fields, it searches the assetIndex table, which is usually made up of the synopsis and the title
19:47 < perlDreamer> my $keywords = join(" ",$asset->get("title"), $asset->get("menuTitle"), $asset->get("synopsis"), $url,
19:47 < perlDreamer>         $description);
19:48 < perlDreamer> but you also need to be aware of the character limit (which I think is 4) and the default stop word list, which are not indexed.
19:48 < elnino> I could have sworn this worked on my system.. Is there anythign that would cause the assetIndex table to not be updated, or corrupted or... anything I should look for?
19:48 < elnino> character limit?  default stop word list? I don't know what those are...I have 7.4.21...
19:49 < perlDreamer> it only index words longer than 4 characters
19:49 < rizen_> pd, there's no quantity field in the product
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19:49 < perlDreamer> rizen_: huh?
19:49 < rizen_> how would i adjust quantity available
19:49 < perlDreamer> in the variants?
19:49 < rizen_> i'm editing gooey
19:49 < rizen_> trying to say that there are a gazillion available
19:49 < elnino> pd: ah.. I'm searching longer words than that... skus to be specific. 99000-0
19:49 < rizen_> but there's no field to put gazillion into
19:50 < perlDreamer> rizen_: Quantity is stored in the variant, not in the asset itself.
19:50 < rizen_> ah
19:51 < perlDreamer> elnino, I'd recommend manually reindexing the site using the sbin/search.pl script
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19:53 < elnino> ok. will. do. I'll be back. later or tomorrow. Thanks again!
19:53 < perlDreamer> good luck
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20:04 < topsub> Is there a way i could like sub class variants? To have users fill out more information about each variant?
20:05 < perlDreamer> topsub: do you mean product variants?
20:05 < topsub> yes sorry
20:05 < perlDreamer> In the new Shop, or old Commerce?
20:06 < topsub> right now in 7.5.13
20:06 < perlDreamer> Well, there's good news.
20:06 < perlDreamer> Variants are stored as JSON in the db.
20:06 < perlDreamer> So if you subclass Asset::Sku::Product and override the variant edit and display code you can put whatever you want in there
20:07 < perlDreamer> so that's view, editVariant, editVariantSave, and maybe a few others as well
20:07 < topsub> ah so in www_editVariant just add whatever i want
20:07 < topsub> yep i see it
20:07 < perlDreamer> yeah
20:07 < topsub> i have a subclass of product already
20:08 < perlDreamer> what more do you want in a variant?
20:08 < topsub> so i need to change that
20:08 < topsub> the "view" function is what sends to the template?
20:09 < perlDreamer> yes
20:09 < topsub> will it not pick up my new variants columns / fields automatically?
20:09 < perlDreamer> if you wanted to display the new variant fields, no.
20:09 < topsub> like when you change definitions?
20:09 < topsub> ah
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20:10 < perlDreamer> when you change definitions, that's an asset level property
20:10 < topsub> i see the loop around line 1537
20:10 < perlDreamer> those are automatically handled
20:10 < topsub> variant_ sku / title / price / weight / qty
20:10 < perlDreamer> right
20:10 < topsub> so making custom variant wont' be that hard
20:10 < perlDreamer> no
20:10 < topsub> or changing
20:10 < topsub> awesome thanks alot! perlDreamer you the man
20:10 < topsub> !
20:11 < perlDreamer> You're welcome.  I wrote that code, so I'm somewhat familiar with it.
20:11 < perlDreamer> but I'm still curious.  What more does your customer want in a variant?
20:13 < JamA> hi,
20:13 < JamA> I've the same probleme as shown here : http://tinyurl.com/6ruwfk  (I posted under wguser)
20:13 < JamA> I have to do soon an installation of wG, and I'd like to patch this.
20:13 < JamA> Could someone help me ?
20:13 < JamA> thanks a lot
20:15 < perlDreamer> JamA, the patch didn't work.  You'll need to manually patch WRE/Spectre.pm
20:16 < JamA> how ?
20:16 < perlDreamer> JamA, are you a programmer type, a sys-admin type, or a WebGUI user type person?
20:17 < JamA> I install WebGUI for someone, not a programmer
20:17 < JamA> i'm not a programmer*
20:17 < perlDreamer> Okay.
20:18 < perlDreamer> So you either need to find a programmer, or we need to find a way to get you a patched WRE/Spectre.pm
20:18 < perlDreamer> Which WRE version are you using?
20:18 < JamA> 0.8.3
20:19 < perlDreamer> I need to head off to a meeting for a while.  When I come back I'll see if there's a whole copy of that file someplace.
20:20 < JamA> Ok, thanks
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21:01 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r6913 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset_Subscription.pm: fix bad layout in Subscription redeem code help
21:21 < topsub> perlDreamer, hey just got back from lunch we are using products as tickets so people can buy tickets to events
21:22 < topsub> so we are converting it to something we need because the EMS doesn't support what the client is looking for
21:25 < perlDreamer> gotcha.  Thanks, topsub.
21:29 < topsub> perlDreamer, would it be possible to do a select list / select box in variants?
21:29 < topsub> Will it support this?
21:30 < perlDreamer> It would support any single select right out of the box.
21:30 < perlDreamer> Multiple select would require a lot more work.
21:31 < topsub> alright
21:31 < perlDreamer> If you make that work, I'd love a patch to fold back in.  Especially if it has a test script.
21:31 < topsub> so i would just change float, integer, text, to my field type i am looking for?
21:31 < perlDreamer> yes
21:31 < topsub> nice,
21:36 < topsub> if i wanted to link resources to these products would i am assuming i would need to write my own custom functions to get this information?  This would act almost like "add a resource". Maybe linking  from the users in webgui or external database ?
21:37 < topsub> Almost how thingy allows you to link "thingy" to users
21:37 < topsub> this would need to be a one to many
21:37 < perlDreamer> there are already ways to link in other assets.  But not to anything else yet.  You could use that code as a jumping off point.
21:38 < topsub> Would i possible clone how variants, features, benifits work now to add resources?
21:38 < perlDreamer> I would use related products as a place to start cloning.
21:40 < topsub> would  these json objects be able to support this one to many relationships?
21:40 < perlDreamer> they're stored as a JSON array, so I believe so.
21:40 < perlDreamer> you can query the db for the Product table and check the structure manually.
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22:49 < ckotil> if i send my picture to the plainblack graphic designer , can he or she create a 'The people beside webgui' banner for me?
22:50 < ckotil> everyone looks so cool on those banners
23:00 < perlDreamer> ckotil, PBWG people are nominated
23:06 < ckotil> yeah
23:06 < ckotil> im not saying my banner should go on the site
23:06 < ckotil> id put it on mine ;)
23:18 < SDuensin> Egads.  Is there a way to make images uploaded via File Pile *not* be hidden from navigation?
23:20 < perlDreamer> JamA: This is the URL to file you need: https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/checkout/wrebuild/wre/lib/WRE/Spectre.pm
23:20 < ckotil> SDuensin: it should be the same as every other asset
23:20 < JamA> thanks, i'll check
23:20 < SDuensin> ckotil - Eh, yea.
23:21 < perlDreamer> Yup.  There's a little Hide From Nav button right at the top of the File Pile
23:21 < SDuensin> Ah, thanks perlDreamer 
23:21  * SDuensin didn't check.  Bad user.
23:22  * SDuensin is turning into an RSS madman.
23:35 < JamA> perlDreamer: It seems to work : i don't get any new mail, thanks :)
23:36  * JamA has to learn programming
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00:06 < estiven> Hi, I have a old site in oracle portal whit many pages of articles and the new version is make in WebGui
00:06 < estiven> Can I create a script to migrate the content?
00:06 < estiven> I know how get the content of the old site but i don't know how post in a colaboration system from a script...
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00:09 <@preaction> estiven, yes you can create a script. if you want an example of a migration, look in the latest 7.5.15 in WebGUI/sbin/migrateGallery.pl
00:10 <@preaction> at least, i think that's what it's called
00:10 < estiven> mm, excelent
00:10 < estiven> thanks
00:14 < rizen_> preaction, perlDreamer, anybody else that cares
00:14 < rizen_> i need to bounce something
00:15 <@preaction> k
00:15 < rizen_> i have block of code that i throw an error in
00:15 < rizen_> i eval and use WebGUI::Error->caught
00:15 < rizen_> to catch it
00:15 < rizen_> and then i return an error message having caught the error
00:15 < rizen_> exception handled
00:15 < rizen_> except that it's not
00:15 < rizen_> because i have another block of code outside of that, which is recatching the error
00:16 < rizen_> caught() supposed to reset $@ so that the error won't get caught unless you rethrow it?
00:16 <@preaction> i would think
00:16 < rizen_> if not, what is the point of rethrow?
00:16 <@preaction> or maybe it just makes sure caught() doesn't catch it again until you rethrow
00:17 < rizen_> well the point is that caught() is recatching it
00:18 < rizen_> is it a total hack for me to do:
00:18 < rizen_> $@ = undef;
00:18 < rizen_> it seems that shouldn't be necessary, but it is
00:18 <@apeiron> I know you're catching it, but it really sounds like it's not being caught.
00:18 <@preaction> yeah, that isn't indicated by any of the docs at all
00:19 < rizen_> i just figured it out
00:19 < rizen_> i wasn't re-evalling at the top level code
00:19 < rizen_> and eval is what resets $@
00:20 < rizen_> i only evalled once
00:20 < rizen_> but caught twice
00:20 <@apeiron> So you got the $@ from the inner scope.
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01:37 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r6914 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 3 dirs): optimized PurgeOldInboxMessages workflow
01:37 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r6915 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/AssetPackage.pm: allow anyone who can edit to export any asset as a package
01:37 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r6916 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Cache.pm: clean up and comment parseKey in cache
01:37 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r6917 /WebGUI/sbin/upgrade.pl: get rid of 'USE database;' lines from upgrade backups
01:42 < perlDreamer> Haarg, with the package export change, is there any UI support for that?
01:43 <@Haarg> no
01:43 <@Haarg> not at this point at least
01:43 < perlDreamer> okay.
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04:25 < patspam> hmm, WUC registration checkout seems to be borked
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04:34 < patspam> phew, limped through on the 3rd try
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05:21 < topsub> When making custom assets can i create my own tabs?
05:22 < metanil> topsub: sure
05:22 < topsub> is it as simple as just changing the name of the tab in the definition? or does it require more work?
05:24 < metanil> topsub: you need to look at some of the existing code for help.. its not that hard i would say
05:24 < metanil> but depends upon your requirement.. 
05:41 < topsub> ah. i am making a custom product asset and would like to add a new tab for the fields i am adding
05:43 < metanil> topsub: you mean while editing right?
05:43 < topsub> yes
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05:48 < perlDreamer> Does anyone know if there's a release pending?
05:49 < topsub> hmm how do i find out what file this is calling "?op=formUsers;formId=testuser_formId"
05:50 < topsub> this is called in a form control User.pm. its the pop up window
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05:55 < perlDreamer> Look in Operation.pm
05:55 < perlDreamer> find the formUsers entry
05:55 < perlDreamer> it will tell you what module is being used
05:56 < perlDreamer> topsub: That's WebGUI::Operation.pm, to be exact.
05:57 < topsub> sweet thanks.. haven't got into the op yet.. so thanks!
05:57 < topsub> writing a custom form control now
05:58 < perlDreamer> For handling tickets?
05:59 < topsub> it will be for that client yes
06:00 < topsub> trying to expanded the user.pm form
06:00 < perlDreamer> Have you looked at UserList.pm?
06:01 < topsub> what version is tha tin?
06:01 < perlDreamer> 7.5.now
06:01 < perlDreamer> maybe back as far as .10
06:01 < topsub> hmm
06:01 < topsub> not in 7.5.10
06:02 < topsub> i am making a userlist one
06:02 < topsub> but never saw a prebuilt WebGUI::Form:;UserList
06:02 < perlDreamer> Asset/Wobject/UserList.pm
06:02 < perlDreamer> I'm not sure how it works
06:04 < topsub> ya kinda looking at it
06:04 < topsub> my plan is to allow someone have a fieldtype userlist or something
06:04 < topsub> which will allow you to select a one to many
06:05 < topsub> bascially i am allowing someone to add resources to products
06:05 < topsub> really what i am doing in a more abstract idea
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06:12 <@rizen> patspam try again
06:13 < patspam> rizen: it took my money on the 3rd try
06:14 <@rizen> we're aware that there is a problem and are working as hard as possible to fix it
06:15 < patspam> i noticed that the credit card iTransact screen didn't go to https by default
06:15 < patspam> but it worked over https after i modified the url
06:23 <@rizen> oh goodie, one more thing on my damn list to fix
06:23 <@rizen> thanks for letting me know though
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07:01 <@tavisto> patspam, you were having a problem processing a sale on pb.com?
07:02 < perlDreamer> that's what he said
07:02 <@tavisto> last week there were issues with internal server errors occuring on final checkout but nothing I could test
07:02 <@tavisto> once I get AMLA fixed up with their e-commerce I have access to the gateway to test
07:04 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r6918 /WebGUI/docs/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
07:04 < CIA-6> WebGUI: Fix reordering of old events in the week view by giving
07:04 < CIA-6> WebGUI: any Event with a NULL sequenceNumber a valid sequenceNumber.
07:40 < topsub> hey perlDreamer, have you ever created custom tabs?
07:41 < perlDreamer> yes
07:41 < topsub> is that documented anywere? lol
07:41 < perlDreamer> do you want to extend an existing tabform, or make one from scratch?
07:41 < patspam> tavisto: yeah, not so much the sale itself, more the cart/checkout process
07:41 < topsub> when you edit a prdocut all these custom fields i am making i would like to be able to put under there own tab
07:42 < topsub> so make one from scratch i guess it would be
07:42 <@tavisto> patspam, was it a particular error or did it just return you to the PB homepage?
07:42 <@tavisto> I've seen both when I was assisting people purchase stuff earlier this week
07:43 < perlDreamer> topsub, you need to do 2 things
07:43 < perlDreamer> 1) review Asset/Sku.pm, sub getEditTabs
07:43 <@tavisto> it's common right now for people to get an internal server error right when they click the final checkout button. Atleast from the people I have helped
07:43 < perlDreamer> and add your own in your child
07:43 < perlDreamer> 2) in your definition sub, refer to the new tab in the tab field.
07:44 < patspam> yeah first i couldn't find the checkout button, then i realised i had to add a Ship To address
07:44 < patspam> and after that, clicking checkout dropped me back to PB
07:44 <@tavisto> yeah, the ship to address isn't that intuitive for new peeps
07:44 < patspam> also the Tickets/Ribbons/Tokens screen is somewhat empty/confusing..
07:44 < patspam> and Ribbons/Tokens shows "Data Error"
07:44 <@tavisto> yeah that EMS is really broken right now
07:45 <@tavisto> plus the header bar sticks way out into the badge
07:45 <@tavisto> I really wish that it wasn't required to go through the process of entering/selecting a shipping address
07:45 < patspam> and lastly, the iTransact screen wasn't encrypted (rizen took note of this when i mentioned it a few hours ago)
07:45 <@tavisto> I see why it's necessary, but it seems like it would be useful to have a bypass for people who are selling e-goods or subscriptions
07:46 < patspam> oh and i didn't get any sort of "purchase successful" message in the browser, just dropped back to the Buy Tickets page
07:46 <@tavisto> ah... I see.. I tried to change the name of the Itransact payment gateway button but I wasn't able to do that
07:46 < patspam> but i did get the confirmation email, so I think I'm coming to the WUC ;)
07:47 <@tavisto> heh.... wow.. yeah there are still some serious issues with the checkout.. I can verify for you :)  one sec
07:47 < topsub> hmm not sure i am following how to add another one
07:47 < topsub> will i change the getEditTabs to a new on ei want
07:47 < topsub> ?
07:48 <@tavisto> yep, patspam you are all set.
07:48 <@tavisto> I see your transaction
07:48 < patspam> tavisto: yay :)
07:48 <@tavisto> wow you bought 10 WUC badges?
07:48 <@tavisto> just kidding... hehe
07:48 < patspam> hehe
07:48 < topsub> tavisto we have more pool to play at the WUC!!
07:49 <@tavisto> haha yeah sure.. although I'm getting tired of 0wning j00
07:49 < topsub> lol... 
07:49 <@tavisto> there is one thing that madison has lots of....
07:49 < topsub> girls?
07:49 <@tavisto> bars, pubs, taverns
07:49 <@tavisto> pool tables, darts, etc..
07:49 < topsub> nice!
07:49 <@tavisto> it's like the bar capital of the world
07:49 < topsub> ping pong and pool time
07:49 <@tavisto> hmm.. not sure about ping pong
07:50 <@tavisto> but there's plenty to do
07:50 <@tavisto> I'll be there on Monday for our wuc prep stuff
07:50 <@tavisto> and yes there are plenty of girls as it is a college town
07:50 < topsub> nice
07:50 < patspam> the TASTE festival looks kind of cool
07:50 <@tavisto> yeah I think so too
07:50 < perlDreamer> topsub, I just added POD on how to add tabs.
07:51 < patspam> I think the friend I'm staying with is going to take me to a folk festival in Dodgeville the weekend before too
07:51 < perlDreamer> topsub: you override getEditTabs to tell WebGUI which tabs you want to add.
07:51 < topsub> oh within my new class?
07:52 < perlDreamer> yes
07:52 < perlDreamer> You can see Asset/Sku to see how it's done.
07:52 < topsub> but will it add the Shop one and also my new custom one?
07:52 < topsub> is what i am looking for
07:52 < perlDreamer> I sure hope so.
07:52 < perlDreamer> If not, we have another bug to fix
07:52 < topsub> lol alright i will give it a shot
07:54 <@tavisto> man we're getting a ton of new peeps interested in webinars
07:54 <@tavisto> from all over the place too
07:54 < perlDreamer> it's about time
07:54 < perlDreamer> how many conference have y'all gone to so far?
07:54 < perlDreamer> 3?
07:54 <@tavisto> scale, GTS, YAPC
07:54 <@tavisto> yeah I think that's all
07:55 <@tavisto> TechWeb is trying to get us to go out to new york since we're exhibiting in oscon
07:55 < patspam> YAPC::Europe will be my first (2 weeks before WUC)
07:55 < perlDreamer> TechWeb?
07:56 <@tavisto> yeah it's something o'reilly (sp?)
07:56 <@tavisto> just like with oscon
07:56 <@tavisto> we're going to have a sweet location at oscon because we were the first exhibitor to sign up. prime location
07:57 < topsub> where are the PODS i haven't ever looked at them.. sorry its late! :-)
07:58 < perlDreamer> to see the new POD, you'd have to update from SVN
07:58 < perlDreamer> in general, you use perldoc
07:58 < perlDreamer> perldoc Module::Name
08:00 < topsub> could i look online also ?
08:00 < topsub> the builds / api online docs?
08:00 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r6919 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm: document how to add new tabs to getEditForm
08:00 < perlDreamer> Yes, but they won't build for another few hours
08:01 < perlDreamer> https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/revision/?rev=6919
08:02 < patspam> are create.sql and /data/WebGUI/www/extras/uploads generated automatically? or do you guys make changes manually?
08:02 < perlDreamer> both
08:02 < patspam> e.g. to change the skeleton for new sites
08:02 < perlDreamer> create.sql is always made by hand, although I'd guess that Haarg has it automated by now.
08:03 < perlDreamer> uploads is often added to during upgrades, so it's semi-manual
08:03 < patspam> ah ok, thanks perlDreamer
08:05 < patspam> I think I'm going to compile a Wobject Best Practices article in the wiki, my ad-hoc approach up until now has been pretty sucky
08:05 < perlDreamer> that's a good idea
08:06 < perlDreamer> w.r.t create.sql, any changes needed to it should always be done via an upgrade script.
08:06 < perlDreamer> for uploads, I've seen Haarg check in stuff, but no one else.
08:06 < perlDreamer> packages are probably best for that.
08:07 < patspam> yeah packages seem to be a nicer approach
08:08 < patspam> I think I'm going to switch to using packages for my own client wobjects too
08:11 < perlDreamer> time for the west coaster to crash out.  More fun tomorrow
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10:54 < patspam> strikes me that the WebGUI upgrade process would be really useful for developers deploying/upgrading their own wobjects
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16:25 < SDuensin> Greetings.
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17:53 < perlDreamer> rizen: I have an unposted inventory control bug.  Tavis showed it to me and I've diagnosed it, but haven't worked up a fix yet.
17:54 < perlDreamer> I'll try to get it in by the .16 release, but no promises.
17:54 <@rizen> cool
17:54 <@rizen> but why didn't tavis report it i wonder
17:54 <@rizen> the .16 release won't be coming out until this afternoon
17:54 <@rizen> so you have some time
17:55 < perlDreamer> I'm in a 4-hour meeting this morning, so maybe not.
17:55 <@rizen> ah. =)
17:55 <@rizen> if there was any chance i could get it done for you before the release i'd take it off your hands, but due to the fiasco that was yesterday i don't have the luxury
17:56 < perlDreamer> It's not a show stopper, some of the template work I've done over the last week has hidden the bug.
17:56 < perlDreamer> What happened yesterday?
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17:58 <@rizen> it was already the worst day i've had at PB in 3 or 4 months by 4pm
17:58 <@rizen> and then at 4pm i accidentally destroyed plainblack.com with a bug that i created 6 years ago
17:58 < perlDreamer> talking about laying in wait
17:59 <@rizen> well at least it's fixed now thanks to graham so it won't be hitting anyone else in the future
17:59 < perlDreamer> gotta scoot to my meeting, I'll be back on later
18:00 <@rizen> later
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18:07 < CIA-6> WebGUI: jt * r6920 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
18:07 < CIA-6> WebGUI: - Fixed a problem where shop could create internal server errors instead of
18:07 < CIA-6> WebGUI:  catching the exceptions.
18:07 < CIA-6> WebGUI: - Made the iTransact terminal link a button that automatically logs you in.
18:07 < CIA-6> WebGUI: - iTransact now more gracefully handles recurring payment postback errors.
18:16 < topsub> has anyone messed with "dateTime" form control. It shows me the calendar but i don't see anyway to set the time
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18:26 < elnino> hi all. It's me again. another day, another quick topic.
18:27 < elnino> I want to use the forum in webgui, and just wondering, Is there any filtering capabilities  for bad words? and filteres for what type of attachements can be uploaded to the forum?
18:28 <@preaction> the collab system has a "Use Content Filtering" setting, the Content Filter is a tab in the Admin Console (so yes to 1)
18:28 <@preaction> filters for what types of attachments, not really: anything that could be considered harmful or undesireable is made into a text file
18:29 <@preaction> but that's not configurable
18:30 < elnino> what/where are the rules that consider a file "harmful"?
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18:30 <@preaction> if they would hurt the site, exploit browser bugs, cause undesired operation, host spam messages
18:31 <@preaction> so, JS, HTML, Perl
18:31 < elnino> so we can't prevent people posting videos. or images on the forum?
18:34 <@preaction> not that i'm aware of, besides the file-size limit you can impose in the site settings
18:37 < elnino> ok.. can our admins moderate the posts before they get posted?
18:53 <@preaction> yes
18:54 <@preaction> well, not before they get Posted, but before they show up on the live site. they're on the site, but "pending"
18:54 <@preaction> I believe the Content Manager's guide has information on Content Approval
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18:55 < elnino_laptop> I hate wireless networks
18:55 < elnino_laptop> Cool thanks for confirming. Thats it for today I think. Have a good one!
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18:57 < elnino_home> grr. I'm logging off.
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19:04 < juan1> the calendar has a problem, i have created a group to add and edit events in the calendar but the people associated to this group  can  not edit the events
19:05 < juan1> the admin user also can not edit the events
19:08 <@preaction> There's a Group to Add Events, they can add events and edit events they have added
19:08 <@preaction> but anyone who can edit the Calendar should be able to edit any Event as well
19:08 <@preaction> which version?
19:10 < juan1> 7.4.40
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19:14 < juan1> Actually the people in Who can edit, have that problem
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19:25 <@preaction> juan1, there are no more 7.4 releases, and that bug is fixed in the 7.5 series, so i don't know how to help really
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19:33 < slickware> formatting question for whoever's online...
19:34 < slickware> I paste something from Word into a blank article. The formatting looks fine. but then, as soon as I hit Save, all the formatting disappears and it turns into one huge line of text
19:34 < juan1> ok, no problem
19:35 < juan1> i will wait the 7.5 series
19:36 < CIA-6> WebGUI: translation * r6921 /translations/Spanish/ (162 files in 2 dirs): Update from translation server
19:36 < CIA-6> WebGUI: doug * r6922 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Instance.pm): added some more information to an error message.
19:37 < slickware> it looks like it's performing the "cleanup messy code" feature when I hit save... is there a way to turn that off?
19:39 <@preaction> slickware, i believe it's a configuration of the Rich Editor, but copy/paste from Word usually isn't a good idea
19:40 < slickware> I know it's not a great idea, but users migrating from 5.x are used to it not messing their formatting unless they tell it to
19:41 < slickware> any idea if there's a way to turn that off?
19:42 < slickware> oh maybe it's "preserve whitespace as preformatted text" ?
19:43 < slickware> nope
19:43 < slickware> damn it
19:43 <@preaction> no, it should be called Cleanup Messy Code
19:43 < slickware> the feature is there, but why would it apply itself when I hit Save?
19:44 < slickware> if I turn off the cleanup button, maybe it will stop applying automatically?
19:45 < slickware> ahhhhhh
19:45 < slickware> there's a button to add called "Paste From Word"
19:48 < slickware> what is the difference between "Commit Without Approval" and "Commit Content Immediately" ?
19:52 <@preaction> the second one went away in a 7.5 version and works just like Commit Without Approval now?
19:52 <@preaction> in your version, it's the difference between sending a workflow to spectre (the first one) and not sending it (the second one)
19:52 < slickware> i'm on an agency host
19:52 <@preaction> this is a difference of a few seconds, but also would commit the content is spectre is down
19:52 <@preaction> then you're on a 7.4 version
19:53 < slickware> the wording seems to imply that they should both commit content without asking me to save/commit
19:53 < slickware> but the 1st one seems to imply that it won't ask, but also won't be immediate? 
19:53 <@preaction> no, clicking "Save" does not commit content. Clicking "Commit" commits content, which triggers the workflow
19:54 < slickware> right - you have to click "commit" and then "save"
19:56 < slickware> I would like to have all tags commit and save themselves without user interaction
19:56 < slickware> a'la 5x style :)
19:56 <@preaction> that's a frequently-asked question. also, are you an agency hoster with plain black?
19:56 < slickware> actually... full workflow... you have to Save your edits. Then Commit, then choose "OK I want to commit" and then "Save".
19:57 <@preaction> (frequently-asked means: check the wiki, check the forums, check the support boards)
19:57 < slickware> I am an agency hoster with PB
19:57 <@preaction> that's not a "Workflow" as WebGUI thinks of them
19:57 < slickware> right
19:57 < slickware> it's a workflow as it relates to my flowing of work
19:57 <@preaction> then search the Plainblack Support Boards too
19:57 < slickware> or the interruption of my flow
19:57 < slickware> I thought I heard something about it being easier in 7.5
19:57 < slickware> or less obtrusive 
19:58 <@preaction> it's been so long since 7.5 was started, i thought we added Skip Commit Comments and Auto-Commit Version Tags in the 7.4 series
20:03 <@preaction> slickware, "Automatically Request Commit" and "Skip Commit Comments" are the two settings, Admin Console, Settings panel, Content tab.
20:09 < slickware> I understand the thought there, but that is some seriously poor wording!
20:09 <@preaction> why? and "patches welcome"
20:09 < slickware> one would think that checking 'yes' for "automatically request commit" would cause WG to ask you if you wanted to commit a change as soon as you hit "save" on an article
20:11 <@preaction> Webgui considers "request commit" to be "trigger the commit workflow, which may or may not actually commit the content"
20:11 <@preaction> it might have to get approval
20:11 < slickware> and for some reason if you have "skip commit comments" set to "yes", you are still asked if you want to comment
20:11 <@preaction> or it might be a workflow that just deletes the version tag, who knows
20:11 < slickware> (unless you also choose to automatically request commit)
20:11 <@preaction> sure, if you create version tags manually, the normal process applies
20:12 < slickware> I like the idea behind version tagging but I do disagree with the implementation of it... if I were a programmer i'd offer to actually change it but believe me you don't want me mucking in that code
20:12 < topsub> hey guys, i am tring to make my own tab in my custom asset ( http://webgui.pastebin.com/m4dfe0784 ) but seems its not working.. Any input, or suggestions were to look next ?
20:14 <@preaction> slickware, you can also post ideas for improvements to the RFE list, http://webgui.org "Request a Feature"
20:15 < ckotil> how often do RFE's get implemented?
20:15 < ckotil> i dont think ive ever had a single one get enough karma
20:16 < slickware> i'm glad someone said it :)
20:16 <@preaction> ckotil, i implemented the top 5 karma RFEs for the 7.5 series, out of the goodness of my heart
20:17 <@preaction> but JT has acknowledged that we have lacked in implementing them, and he has policies to remedy that
20:17 < ckotil> preaction: :) thanks, you rock
20:17 < ckotil> ah cool
20:18 <@preaction> that's why the DataForm now has Captcha and Version Tag in the Admin Console is a lot cooler
20:18 < ckotil> nice
20:18 < perlDreamer> preaction: don't forget that you rewrote the Admin Console, as well
20:18 <@preaction> that wasn't karma RFE, but that was out of the goodness of my heart
20:19 < ckotil> http://www.plainblack.com/rfe/request-for-enhancement/add-a-summary-meta-data-input-field-to-file-pile-asset is getting lots of karma. but has a pretty high difficulty multi
20:20 < perlDreamer> that would have to be done per file.  No fun at all.
20:20 < ckotil> heh
20:32 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: I'm getting ready to get back into webgui production mode and wondered if you had run into something I'd run into earlier on another project.  Have you had any problems deserializing extremely large data structures with JSON?  I've had complex objects 2500 lines long (with pretty print) take 10-30 seconds to deserialize, but searlization takes almost no time.
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20:38 < dionak> has the event manager changed between 7.5.10 and 7.5.15?
20:38 <@preaction> yes
20:39 <@preaction> completely rewritten
20:39 < dionak> k
20:39 < dionak> thanks. 
20:39 < dionak> just needed a sanity check there. :)
20:45 < nuba> no kidding, you come to IRC for a sanity check? thats insane in itself.. 
20:46 < dionak> lol, yea. good point
20:58 < CIA-6> WebGUI: translation * r6923 /translations/Spanish/Spanish/ (Asset_DataForm.pm Asset_Event.pm): Update from translation server
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21:31 < slickware> you guys are more sane than other employees here
21:35 <@preaction> if you say so
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21:47 < slickware> Yesterday I had an employee tell me that her computer problems were "a form of harassment" and that "she doesn't appreciate being treated like this by any person or any thing" and that "if they continue she will have to take her laptop to the police so they can remove the software we installed to spy and corrupt her files"
21:47 < slickware> so yeah... compared to that... you guys are WAY sane
21:55 <@tabb> Wow.
21:55 <@tabb> That's special.
21:55 <@preaction> that's straight-jacket special
21:56 <@tabb> Truth.
22:13 < slickware> it got even worse as the conversation went on
22:14 < slickware> she deletes any files she finds in her registry that have ".dll" extensions...
22:14 < slickware> she removes any files listed as "hidden" (system files)
22:14 < slickware> she can't connect to her home network, but somehow "the virus" has spread to her home pc as well... through osmosis!
22:15 < slickware> so yeah. it was a fun day yesterday
22:15 < slickware> i'm out. enjoy your sanity, all
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22:21 <@preaction> hmm... there's a fine, fine line between insanity and ignorance
22:22  * apeiron is happily on the side of insanity.
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22:27 < dionak> sounds like her virus is her
22:29 < BartJol> who, me?
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22:34 < topsub> perlDreamer!! got a question for you :-)
22:34 < perlDreamer> you can always ask
22:34 < perlDreamer> answers are less deterministic :)
22:34 < topsub> i tried adding my own custom tabs but everytime i place that getEditTabs in my new asset it crashes with what i am seeing no error log information
22:35 < topsub> could this be a bug in the system?
22:35 <@preaction> erm... it could be a bug in your asset
22:35 < topsub> thats not allowing me to add my own custom tab in my definition in my new custom asset?
22:35 < perlDreamer> Can you please paste me your getEditTabs code?
22:35 < topsub> well when i take out the fucntion and any referace to that new tab it works
22:36 < topsub> http://webgui.pastebin.com/m4dfe0784
22:36 <@preaction> you don't add the superclass's getEditTabs to yours
22:36 <@preaction> so there's only one tab: yours
22:37 <@preaction> then when it tries to add things to the "properties" tab, (which doesn't exist), it dies
22:37 < topsub> oohhh i see
22:37 <@preaction> or, wait, was that something I wanted to do but haven't done yet
22:38 <@preaction> nm, i'm wrong, you're right
22:38 < topsub> so i need to return the new tab and the super to the funcion
22:38 < perlDreamer> No, it looks okay
22:38 < topsub> oh
22:38 < perlDreamer> but this is subclassing Sku/Product, which also has a getEditTabs
22:38 < perlDreamer> No error log info?
22:38 < topsub> nope i don't see any dumping of errors
22:38 < perlDreamer> Not in webgui.log or httpd error.log?
22:39 < topsub> i am lookgin at modperl and webgui.log
22:40 <@preaction> bump the loglevel up to INFO maybe?
22:40 < perlDreamer> couldn't hurt
22:40 < topsub> haven't checked httpd.error.log, looking for it now
22:41 < perlDreamer> I bet that's it.
22:41 <@preaction> that's the modperl.error.log, it's the httpd error_log for the modperl instance of the WRE apache
22:41 < perlDreamer> Sku/Product/Topsub.pm overrides Sku's getEditTabs, so the Shop tab is not defined
22:42 < perlDreamer> but it ought to gripe about it, not just die silently
22:42 < lisette> where find "weekly" in the i18n? this for add an event, and don't find this in the "Asset_Event"
22:42 < topsub> so is adding tabs still possible?
22:43 < perlDreamer> I would try preaction's idea of calling SUPER::getEditTabs and accumulating info
22:43 < perlDreamer> get the tabs from parent, and then add your to the batch
22:43 <@preaction> that might not work for direct subclasses of Asset and Wobject though (since there is no SUPER::getEditTabs for those classes)
22:43 < perlDreamer> if that works, I'll update the POD
22:43 < perlDreamer> yes there is
22:43 < perlDreamer> Asset.pm has a stub
22:43 <@preaction> oh, right
22:43 < perlDreamer> Wobject will inherit from Asset.
22:43 <@preaction> duh, i just looked at it
22:44 < topsub> so i will need to do something like.. return $self->SUPER::getEditTabs, (['details', 'details', 9]); ? Is that what you are thinking?
22:44 < perlDreamer> something like that
22:44 < perlDreamer> $parentTabs = SUPER:: ....
22:45 < perlDreamer> push @{$parentTabs}, [myTabSpec]
22:45 < perlDreamer> um
22:45 < perlDreamer> no
22:45 < perlDreamer> What you said should work
22:45 <@preaction> return ($self->SUPER::getEditTabs, [ myTabSpec ] ); <- should work fine
22:46 < perlDreamer> lisette, the Event template might not be fully internationalized.
22:46 < topsub> it worked!!
22:46 < perlDreamer> You'd have to check it to see if it is hardcoded as "weekly", or uses a template variable
22:47 < topsub> http://webgui.pastebin.com/m2b04107e
22:47 < topsub> thanks perlDreamer, preaction!
22:47 < lisette> thank perlDreamer
22:47 < topsub> + rep for perlDreamer
22:47 < perlDreamer> Don't thank me too much, I gave you a bad answer last night ;)
22:48 < perlDreamer> I'm going to update the POD, and tweak Sku's and CS'es getEditTabs to chain like that.
22:48 < perlDreamer> and test it
22:48 < perlDreamer> and then commit it
22:48 < CIA-6> WebGUI: translation * r6925 /translations/Spanish/Spanish/ (Asset_File.pm Asset.pm Asset_EventManagementSystem.pm): Update from translation server
22:52 < topsub> so then i won't have to call super next time?
22:53 <@preaction> no, you'll always need to
22:53 < topsub> Still seems odd to me that it doesn't ouptput anything into the logs tho
22:53 <@preaction> that's how overriding methods works, you have to explicitly call the SUPERclass method if you want it to do what it does
22:53 < topsub> seems like something would say what happen with it
22:53 < perlDreamer> It's in the logs somewhere
22:53 < perlDreamer> It has to be
22:53 < topsub> maybe i am looking in the wrong place
22:53 < perlDreamer> At somepoint, you're calling undef->method
22:54 < perlDreamer> and that always logs
22:54 <@preaction> it's probably something like "cannot call method ..."
22:54 < perlDreamer> Looks like it's time to write TabForm tests
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22:57 < perlDreamer> rizen: We're gonna hack at OSCON, right?
22:58 <@rizen> nope
22:59 < perlDreamer> What?
22:59 <@rizen> you understand that i'm going to be at the booth all day long, right?
22:59 <@rizen> 10 hours straight, on my feet talking to peeps
22:59 < perlDreamer> Yeah.  they have power and wireless
22:59 <@rizen> there won't be time for hacking
22:59 < perlDreamer> okay.  I'll hack.  You can point at me and show how dedicated your dev team is.
22:59 <@rizen> hehe
23:00 <@rizen> if oscon is anything like our other trade shows
23:00 <@preaction> hell, play the "He's not even getting PAID by us" angle
23:00 <@rizen> we'll have lines forming at the booth
23:00 < perlDreamer> and hopefully they'll follow up later
23:00 <@rizen> at times we had 10-15 people waiting to talk to us
23:01 < perlDreamer> Well, if that happens, I'll take a hacking break and help out.
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23:01 <@rizen> how about this, i'll answer your questions between talking to peeps, and you hack =)
23:01 < perlDreamer> okay, that will work, too.
23:02 < perlDreamer> And I'll try not to say things like "Hey, this code sucks!  Did you write this, JT?"
23:04 <@rizen> that would be helpful =)
23:04 <@rizen> you can tell me that when i take you out for dinner later
23:10 < dionak> is there a way to add metadata to an event in the ems? i see some code for it but no interface. may be overlooking it
23:10 < perlDreamer> Kathy said that we have a Brazilian BBQ place here in town that we're taking you out to.
23:10 < dionak> or a date?
23:13 < nuba> fogo de chao?
23:13 < perlDreamer> might be, nuba.  I forget the name of the restaurant
23:17 < topsub> For the products do you need a weight for the shopping cart to work?
23:17 < perlDreamer> No
23:17 <@rizen> only if you want to use weight based shipping
23:17 < topsub> and quantity?
23:17 <@rizen> yes
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23:18 < topsub> if i always know the Qty could i make it an hidden field
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23:18 < topsub> dont' see why i couldn't
23:18 <@tavisto> who else works on the core with JT and Doug E. Fresh?
23:18 < perlDreamer> apeiron and Haarg
23:18 < perlDreamer> khenn
23:19 <@apeiron> I do, bits and pieces here and there.
23:19 <@tavisto> alright
23:19 <@tavisto> well you're all fired.. PerlDreamer is now TMRFE
23:20 < perlDreamer> what did I do?
23:21 < topsub> lol
23:22 <@apeiron> If you're TMRFE you can fire tavisto or better yet make him the new TMRFE.
23:22 <@tavisto> nope I'm fired too
23:23 <@tavisto> tag you're it... I'm touching safety!
23:23 < perlDreamer> No touchbacks!
23:23 <@tavisto> hehe
23:28 < perlDreamer> okay, cute kid moment for the day.
23:29 < perlDreamer> My sons asked Kathy if they could make them a Gooey costume so they could hand out Gooey dolls in front of the PB booth at OSCON.
23:29 <@preaction> that would be the most awesome thing anyone has ever done ever
23:30 < perlDreamer> I think it's right up there with the FireFox "Don't hurt the web" poster.
23:36 < perlDreamer> preaction, topsub, new getEditTabs POD and reference code committed
23:36 < topsub> sweet!
23:38 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r6926 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm): fixed: List style Content profile fields broken
23:38 < CIA-6> WebGUI: doug * r6927 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed: User who can approve version tag no longer sees Permission Denied after they've approved
23:38 < CIA-6> WebGUI: doug * r6928 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Operation/Cron.pm: added that friendly error message to www_runCronJob
23:38 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r6929 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/TabForm.pm: Add a logged warning for trying to fetch a non-existant tab by key.
23:38 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r6930 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Asset.pm Asset/Sku.pm Asset/Wobject/Collaboration.pm): fix getEditTabs reference code, and then make Sku and CS to be in the same style
23:43 < dionak> rizen, is there an interface in the ems for metadata fields?
23:44 <@tavisto> yo perlDreamer, check us out....  http://www.perlfoundation.org/perl5/index.cgi?web_frameworks
23:44 <@tavisto> we are "popular"
23:45 < perlDreamer> not bad, tavisto
23:45 <@tavisto> it needs to be expanded upon.. the WebGUI page that is
23:45 <@tavisto> i was thinking about linking "People of WebGUI" to it... (thus the reason for my question about who all works on core)
23:45 <@rizen> yes
23:46 <@rizen> go to the tickets screen
23:46 <@rizen> and you'll see it
23:46 < perlDreamer> why is "with" bolded on the webgui page, tavisto?
23:47 < dionak> alright, cool. thanks. 
23:47 < dionak> see it
23:47 <@tavisto> I guess my thought was that it was illustrating that WebGUI is like a typical framework but WITH extras... JT's presentation kinda highlighted that as well
23:47 < dionak> so meta fields relate to a ticket? or an event?
23:48 < perlDreamer> Oh, okay.  You just have to keep in mind that I'm marketing impaired.
23:48 <@preaction> it's a framework with an implemented CMS on-top of it
23:48 <@tavisto> oh cmon now.. that's not true
23:49 <@tavisto> so do you think that it would be better if I bolded "with" and the thing after it?  Or do you think I should remove the bold formatting all together?
23:49 <@tavisto> It's going to be techies like you reading this so it needs to appeal to you.
23:49 < perlDreamer> Since there isn't a lot of other markup on that page, the with stands out a lot to me.
23:50 <@tavisto> alright, well then that works
23:52 <@rizen> meta fields relate to a ticket
23:52 <@rizen> we may add a meta fields system for badges as well at some point, but currently it wasn't a requirement
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00:00 <@rizen> colin: http://www.perlfoundation.org/perl5/index.cgi?web_frameworks
00:01 < dionak> ok. so what is a badge group? is it a grouping of badges or can you relate tickets to a badge via a badge group?
00:01 <@rizen> yes
00:01 <@rizen> as in you can only purchase certain tickets with certain badges
00:03 < dionak> so it's a container that holds tickets related to a badge.
00:03 < dionak> mind if i add that to the docs?
00:03 <@rizen> what docs?
00:03 < dionak> the class, eventmanagementsystem.pm.
00:03 < perlDreamer> that would be great wiki informatino
00:03 <@rizen> oh the pod. go ahead
00:03 < dionak> ok, thanks
00:04 <@rizen> there's a very detailed chapter on this coming out in CM Guide 7.5
00:04 <@rizen> though i guess you can't wait that long
00:04 < dionak> haha, no but i still look forward to reading it. 
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00:49 < perlDreamer> rizen, are you available?
00:52 <@rizen> no
00:52 <@rizen> not here 
00:52 <@rizen> please leave a message after the beep
00:52 <@rizen> *beep*
00:53 < perlDreamer> The Sku's need a way to backtrack to where they are displayed so that the system can have a "Continue shopping" link that takes you out of the SKU.
00:53 < perlDreamer> One cannot simply use $self->getParent because you might be called from a Shelf.
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00:55 < perlDreamer> in which case $self->getParent can take you into the product import node or some other secret place.
00:55 < perlDreamer> So i'm thinking we need some kind of persistent scratch variable.
00:56 <@rizen> let's just go to $self->getUrl then
00:56 <@rizen> and the user can use the navigation to get to where the need to go
00:57 <@rizen> the scratch variable sounds like a maintenance nightmare to me
00:57 <@rizen> incidentally, i'm no longer a fan of the product import node idea either
00:57 < perlDreamer> no?
00:57 < perlDreamer> where should we import them?
00:57 <@rizen> i'm thinking that i might move the product import code into shelf
00:57 <@rizen> and import directly under the shelf
00:57 < perlDreamer> oh, kind of like a file pile
00:58 < perlDreamer> but with sku metadata you can still hop around
00:58 <@rizen> what do you think of that idea?
00:59 < perlDreamer> I like the file pile.
00:59 < perlDreamer> I don't like the sku meta data concept
00:59 <@rizen> what's the sku metadata concept?
01:00 <@rizen> i don't get what you're saying
01:03 < perlDreamer> You can have the Shelf display Sku's that are not it's direct children
01:03 < perlDreamer> That's the only thing preventing me from using $self->getParent
01:03 < perlDreamer> and having it work everywhere
01:06 <@rizen> oh sure
01:06 < perlDreamer> And I think that going back to where they started is what people want
01:07 <@rizen> the scratch variable though is going to get us in trouble
01:07 <@rizen> there' s no way to set it in a uniform manner
01:07 < perlDreamer> I remember it doing that in the Commerce system.  So yeah, I agree.
01:07 < perlDreamer> Do you have other ideas?
01:08 < perlDreamer> Cookie?
01:08 < perlDreamer> HTTP REFERRER?
01:08 <@rizen> cookie is the same problem
01:08 <@rizen> we don't have the data
01:08 <@rizen> we don't know where they came from
01:08 <@rizen> by the time they hit "add to cart" it's too late
01:09 < perlDreamer> yeah, that data needs to happen one step back, when they click through into the Product.
01:09 <@rizen> but how they get there is variable
01:09 <@rizen> could be a search
01:09 <@rizen> could be a shelf
01:09 <@rizen> could be on a page
01:09 <@rizen> could be a direct link
01:09 < perlDreamer> search, page, link all can use $parent
01:10 <@rizen> that's why i think $self->getUrl and then let them navigate from there
01:10 <@rizen> no it can't
01:10 <@rizen> at least not according to your argument
01:10 <@rizen> for example
01:10 <@rizen> let's say i do a search for "gooey"
01:11 <@rizen> but gooey is actually in some secret place
01:11 <@rizen> it will find gooey
01:11 <@rizen> i'll go there
01:11 <@rizen> and get parent takes me to the secret place
01:11 <@rizen> direct link is the same
01:11 < perlDreamer> Okay, I agree
01:11 <@rizen> only for page are you safe with get parent
01:11 < perlDreamer> So the real problem is the secret place
01:11 < perlDreamer> and the product import node
01:11 <@rizen> yeah
01:11 <@rizen> and getting rid of the product node
01:12 <@rizen> helps with that a little
01:12 <@rizen> you still might have the problem of using the shelf metadata system
01:12 <@rizen> but that's the only corner case
01:12 <@rizen> and not a terrible one
01:12 <@rizen> cuz the product will still be listed there
01:12 < perlDreamer> yes
01:12 <@rizen> since it's under that shefl
01:13 <@tavisto> oooh I want in this convo
01:13 <@tavisto> I'm caught up now
01:13 < perlDreamer> okay, so it's $self->getUrl, we take the user back to the product and let them nav where they want
01:14 < perlDreamer> and it's up to them to guarantee that their users can do that
01:14 <@rizen> unfortunately i think that's the way it has to be
01:14 <@tavisto> yeah this is a stinky thing.. returning to the product
01:15 <@tavisto> c'mon rizen I know you have some magic up your sleeve to accomplish this
01:15 <@rizen> either that or we return them to $self->getParent 
01:15 <@rizen> and then site owners cannot put their products in a secret place
01:16 <@rizen> tavisto...there is only one way to solve the problem the way you want it solved, and i'm unwilling to do it
01:16 < perlDreamer> rizen: are you going to rip out the product import node?
01:16 <@rizen> we'd have to keep track of the user's path through the site as they move (for every click they make)
01:16 <@rizen> and then we'd have a history
01:16 <@tavisto> so you can't have continue shopping return to the page where the product was displayed?
01:16 <@rizen> perldreamer...no...i'm just going to make it non-system, and then move the import mechanism from commerce into shelf
01:16 <@tavisto> because sometimes it's not on a page.. but in a shelf?
01:17 < perlDreamer> tavisto, right
01:17 <@rizen> tavisto no
01:17 <@tavisto> gah
01:17 <@rizen> you're half right
01:17 <@rizen> if it's on a shelf because it's a child of shelf, then it works
01:17 <@rizen> however, if it's dyanmically included into the shelf
01:17 <@rizen> or it's displayed via assetproxy
01:18 <@rizen> from some weird location
01:18 <@rizen> like the current product import node
01:18 <@rizen> that's when we have a problem
01:18 <@rizen> because returning them to $self->getParent
01:18 <@rizen> returns them to the weird location
01:18 <@tavisto> hmm..
01:18 <@tavisto> is it possible to have a field in the shop that allows someone to override the destination URL of the continue shopping button?
01:19 <@tavisto> by default it would return to product but if you wanted to, you could edit shop settings and put in destination url?
01:19 < perlDreamer> If they want to do that, they should use their own URL in the template
01:19 < perlDreamer> instead of the one supplied by the template
01:19 <@tavisto> I thought I looked at that template and it was just a variable and not something you could wrap a <a href> around
01:21 < perlDreamer> if it's a URL, then it should be href wrappable
01:21 <@rizen> it is a button pd
01:21 <@rizen> a form button
01:21 <@tavisto> side note: JT Iphone 2.0 is available through manual download right now
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01:21 < perlDreamer> If we did one in the product
01:21 <@rizen> tavisto: already updated
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01:21 < perlDreamer> Sorry, I'm confusing topics/templates
01:21 <@tavisto> sweet dude.. you like? I'm going to in a bit
01:22 <@tavisto> i cant wait for AIM
01:22 <@tavisto> anyway, it would be very nice to be able to wrap a url around it because then the templating would be simple
01:23 <@rizen> wrapping the url thing isn't going to happen
01:23 <@rizen> it's a VERY complicated form
01:23 <@tavisto> son of ah
01:23 <@rizen> so put in your feature request
01:24 <@tavisto> so then.. it's a manual URL then... or I'm going to screenshot it and turn it into a .jpg :)
01:24 <@tavisto> k I can do the rfe.. do you like the idea of having a field where one could enter the alternative destination url?
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02:30 < perlDreamer> Do you have happy tabs now, topsub?
02:30 < topsub> yes i do!
02:31 < topsub> after i did the call parent it worked great
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02:31 <@tavisto> omg iphone 2.0 is DOPE
02:31 <@tavisto> love love love it
02:31 <@tavisto> *tavis does the happy dance*
02:33 < topsub> tavis hopefully i will know in the morning
02:33 < topsub> when i get my iphone
02:33 <@tavisto> dude you are going to love it... some of these apps are actually super cool
02:33 <@tavisto> aim is for sure.
02:34 < topsub> nice
02:34 <@tavisto> we're going to be able to skype through the phone too... (wifi only)
02:34 <@tavisto> there's already a truphone app that uses wifi to do it
02:35 < topsub> nice
02:35 <@tavisto> but the most business critical app would definitely be
02:35 <@tavisto> super monkey ball
02:35 < topsub> i have had this blackjack for 2  yrs almost
02:35 < topsub> lol
02:35 < topsub> that game is fun
02:36 <@tavisto> oh yeah time to throw that into the toliet
02:36 < topsub> only thing i will miss is the MMS
02:37 <@tavisto> yep I know what you mean
02:37 < topsub> mostly sinc ei am so use to it now
02:37 <@tavisto> instead you get to visit www.viewmymessage.com and look at some lame webpage
02:38 < topsub> gay!
02:41 <@tavisto> yeah it's really lame
02:41 <@tavisto> the iphone of all phones.... how could that NOT have mms?!
02:41 <@tavisto> and then to mess that up a 2nd time with the 2.0 release..
02:42 <@tavisto> perlDreamer, did you hear if there's going to be a release tonight?
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02:45 < perlDreamer> tavisto, no idea.  Have to ask Haarg
02:45 < perlDreamer> He's the release master.
02:45 <@Haarg> i'm working on it right now
02:50 <@tavisto> coolio, was just curious
02:52 < metanil> i just got purple webgui mascot.. an octopus - written "WEBGUI.ORG"
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03:17 < metanil> one quick question.. is there any built in function where we can get groupname by providing groupid?
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03:24 < patspam> metanil: WebGUI::Group->new($session, $groupId)->name()
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03:26 < dionak> has anyone used the prototype feature of webgui? i just tried it but i'm not sure what it did
03:26 < metanil> thanks
03:28 < dionak> or what it's supposed to do. i expected a new asset in the admin bar
03:28 <@tabb> Tavisto: do you know if rizen and perlDreamer came up with a solution to that problem that was being discussed earlier?
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03:32 <@tavisto> tabb, are you talking about the "continue shopping" option?
03:35 <@tavisto> if so, the outcome was JT telling me to take my idea and submit it as an RFE
03:36 <@tavisto> basically, by default the continue shopping button takes the user back to the product. (which sucks)
03:38 <@tavisto> so, I suggested that there be a field in the shop settings where someone can type in a specific URL to be used as the continue shopping destination
03:39 <+Radix-wrk> dionak: I've used prototype feature before, and I do indeed get an additional item in my admin bar under new content when I do it
03:39 <+Radix-wrk> I have my own video gallery object and a few others which I created with it
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03:40 < dionak> ah, i had to change the title from untitled for it to show up. thanks Radix
03:42 < dionak> nice work to whomever thought of that feature.
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03:50 < metanil> when using ?op=setScratch&scratchName=somename&scratchValue=somevalue.. "www_" is prefixed in the name.. anyone knows where it is done?
03:50 <+Radix-wrk> cool
03:54 < metanil> my bad.. its in Operation::Scratch
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05:26 < metanil> is there any quick method to get list of group the a user id (or current user)???
05:38 < patspam> come again?
05:38 < patspam> you want to list all the groups a given userId is in?
05:39 < patspam> that would be WebGUI::User->new($session, $userId)->getGroups()
05:40 < patspam> preaction: you there?
05:42 < metanil> :D
05:42 < patspam> I'm starting to think what we really want for installable/portable/shareable Assets is something built on Module::Install a la cpan modules
05:43 < patspam> that way people can download, automate checking of dependencies, run test suite and install
05:51 < patspam> damn him and his American timezone ;)
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08:09 <@tavisto> preaction, you available for a crazy hacking question
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08:45 < patspam> any core devs about?
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15:46 < SDuensin> Morning.
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17:09 < SquOnk> Hi everyone
17:10 < SquOnk> Just upgraded the package to 7.5.16 and it's being reviewed.
17:10 < SquOnk> I've been running testCodebase and getting lot's of "Called UNIVERSAL::can() as a function, not a method..." errors.
17:11 < SquOnk> This is on a Perl 5.10 Debian
17:11 < SquOnk> But I guess the error is from DateTime::Timezone
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17:58 < topsub> Does anyone know when 7.5 will become stable?
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18:23 < BeginCSharp> when i query a in grouping table there are other unknown groupname from a particular.. how to avoid it while querying??
18:25 < BeginCSharp> i mean for a particular userid
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18:27 < topsub> BeginCSharp, not sure i understand what you are trying to do.
18:28 < BeginCSharp> i mean when i directly query the database for a user.. it will show other groups as well.. 
18:28 < BeginCSharp> topsub: Webgui might internally used it i guess.. but how to avoid it whiel querying
18:29 < BeginCSharp> i am trying to get list of groupname and groupid for a user.
18:29 < topsub> whats your sql query
18:30 < perlDreamer> WebGUI::User->new($session, $userId)->getGroups();
18:30 < perlDreamer> use the API, Luke
18:30 < BeginCSharp> oops
18:30 < topsub> perlDreamer, sounds like he is doing a direct query
18:30 < topsub> ya use the API if you can
18:31 < topsub> He might be doing a sql report
18:31 < BeginCSharp> yaa. direct query .. but if getGroups() works.. that would be fine too.
18:35 < perlDreamer> It works, it's tested nightly and if the database changes your code won't break.
18:35 < BeginCSharp> nice!
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18:38 < BeginCSharp> perlDreamer: it will return arrayref of groupid.. how about groupname?
18:39 < perlDreamer> WebGUI::Group->new($session,$groupId)->name()
18:39 < perlDreamer> BeginCSharp, all this is explained in the docs for WebGUI::User and WebGUI::Group
18:39 < perlDreamer> perldoc WebGUI/Group.pm
18:40 < BeginCSharp> :)
18:40 < BeginCSharp> thnx.
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18:44 < BeginCSharp> perlDreamer: that works! but its also returning other group which i didn't created.
18:44 < perlDreamer> That's certainly possible.
18:44 < BeginCSharp> :0
18:44 < topsub> Are they the built in / default ones of webgui?
18:44 < perlDreamer> WebGUI does automatically create groups in certain cases for users.
18:45 < BeginCSharp> how to list user created only then?
18:45 < perlDreamer> What's the name of the unfamiliar group?
18:46 < BeginCSharp> weird .. its like id.. 22 length char.
18:46 < perlDreamer> Yeah, that's automatically created.
18:46 < BeginCSharp> and their groupname is also like that
18:46 < perlDreamer> If you read through the Group API, you'll see there is a show in forms property.  You can usually use that to filter out automatically created groups.
18:47 < BeginCSharp> let me see it.. 
18:48 < perlDreamer> Instead of chaining the group new, name, create the object, query it for show in forms, and then skip adding that name to your loop if it returns false.
18:48 < BeginCSharp> its sub showInForms ?
18:48 < perlDreamer> yup
18:56 < BeginCSharp> perlDreamer: i used this http://webgui.pastebin.com/d1138e74e .. still same result.
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19:00 < perlDreamer> BeginCSharp, I need more code than that to see what's going on
19:01 < BeginCSharp> perlDreamer: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d2b3da0d2
19:05 < perlDreamer> BeginCSharp: Please try this instead: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m1d8bef1f
19:07 < BeginCSharp> it looks similar
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19:15 < BeginCSharp> perlDreamer: it looks like its returning nothing..i mean no value is stored in $output.
19:16 < BeginCSharp> looks like $group->showInForms() is always returning false.
19:19 < perlDreamer> there was a typo in the code that I sent, please look at this one instead: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m45ff07db
19:19 < BeginCSharp> you mean $group->name()?
19:20 < perlDreamer> yup
19:20 < BeginCSharp> i already fixed that.. but still not luck..
19:21 < perlDreamer> well, unlike the first code that I sent you, I actually tested this one, and it works okay.
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19:21 < BeginCSharp> oops.. really
19:21 < perlDreamer> yeah
19:21 < BeginCSharp> hold on i'll debug it in another way.
19:32 <@tavisto> Haarg, in 7.5.16 it says that it fixed: Transactions lost in 7.5.11. Does that mean it fixed the bug that caused the loss? Or did it restore the transactions that were lost?
19:32 <@Haarg> fixed the bug that caused the loss
19:32 <@tavisto> k thanks
19:41 < BeginCSharp> perlDreamer: i did a workaround for the time being .. in a stupid way .. http://webgui.pastebin.com/d7827eb9c
19:42 < perlDreamer> This is the output from my test script: 1 -- Visitors7 -- Everyone
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19:43 < BeginCSharp> (weird) :(
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20:04 < perlDreamer> BeginCSharp: do you know the groupId of the strange 22-char group?
20:08 < BeginCSharp> yes
20:09 < BeginCSharp> perlDreamer:i can get those from same loop .. using $groupId and $group->name()..
20:13 < perlDreamer> In mysql, try doing this, select * from groups where groupId=22-charId;
20:13 < perlDreamer> and paste the output for one of them for me
20:16 < topsub> when using a selectBox field type. I am able to seperate my options by "\n" correct? Looking at list.pm thats what it seems like but i am seeing different results
20:17 < topsub> nv
20:17 < topsub> found my problem
20:17 < topsub> had single quotes instead of double
20:21 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r6939 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 
20:21 < CIA-6> WebGUI: ITransact payment driver was using echo i18n calls even though
20:21 < CIA-6> WebGUI: it had real i18n data to pull from.
20:34 <@preaction> if I wanted to add additional data to a new Shop transaction, how would I go about it?
20:34 <@preaction> say, a Date the purchaser wants the items delivered on?
20:34 <@preaction> would I want to add the collateral data to the Cart or to the Transaction?
20:34 <@preaction> i think Cart, because Transaction is all handled by the Pay stuff
20:36 <@tavisto> great question preaction
20:36 <@preaction> i mean, i don't see any method to do this presently, but if I were to add one...?
20:36 <@tavisto> or for instance I've already gotten the question of.... "can I add a 'how did you find me' drop down box to the shopping cart"
20:37 <@tavisto> er actually sorry I'm multi-tasking and distracted.. I mean the checkout process
20:38 <@tavisto> by the way.. where the crap did "user list" asset come from? Maybe I've been living in a cave with wG 7.4 but I've never seen that before
20:38 <@preaction> i think unitedknowledge came up with that one
20:39 < perlDreamer> yeah
20:39 < perlDreamer> I don't like the code
20:39 < perlDreamer> I don't know why it's there.
20:40 <@tavisto> well I tried to deploy it and got a the "problem with server" error immediately using the default settings.. So I'm done playing with that for now
20:41 <@preaction> yeah, i had to remove it from a server i monitor, it was killing the whole thing :(
20:41 < perlDreamer> Please post it as a bug.
20:41 <@tavisto> um.. of course I will once I have time to go through it.. telling you I got an error with no info isn't going to be real helpful
20:42 < perlDreamer> Sure.  UK is supposed to be supporting it, and they don't hang out here very much.
20:48 < perlDreamer> tavisto: re your title/buttons bug.  What's better than "ITransact"?
20:48 <@preaction> Credit?
20:48 <@preaction> it used to be you could make it say "Credit" from what I remember
20:48 < perlDreamer> There could be multiple payment gateways
20:48 < perlDreamer> that accept credit cards
20:49 < perlDreamer> how about ITransact Credit Card Gateway?
20:49 <@preaction> that's why he wants user-configurability
20:49 <@preaction> but for now i suppose Credit Card (ITransact) might work
20:49 <@preaction> put the important bit first
20:49 < perlDreamer> I think that is user configurable.
20:51 < topsub> does anyone know when 7.5 will be come stable. i saw in the change log they made an upgrade path it looked like from 7.4.40
20:51 < CIA-6> WebGUI: translation * r6940 /translations/Spanish/ (13 files in 2 dirs): Update from translation server
20:51 < perlDreamer> Go Team Columbia!
20:51 <@tavisto> perlDreamer, it needs to say "Credit Card"
20:51 <@tavisto> no one cares about Itransact
20:51 < perlDreamer> tavisto, what if someone adds another credit card gateway?
20:52 <@tavisto> I'm confused
20:52 <@tavisto> is this hardcoded?
20:52 < perlDreamer> I'm checking.
20:52 <@tavisto> I thought by updating the labels in the payment methods screen
20:52 <@tavisto> it controls what text shows up in those buttons
20:53 <@tavisto> If someone adds another credit card gateway then they'd be proficient enough to name it something differently
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20:55 <@tavisto> well that or they'd delete (or not use) the itransact gateway. I only see people adding things like Paypal, Google Checkout, etc.. to WebGUI. If they want to add a new merchant gateway then it's fine too. But there would only ever be 1 of those at a time. (For instance, why would someone do Itransact and then First Data? They wouldn't)
20:58 < perlDreamer> This is the way I see it.
20:58 < perlDreamer> PB is a hoster
20:58 < perlDreamer> They'll have as many plugins as avaiable
20:59 < perlDreamer> So they'll all show up in the Shop Admin screen.
20:59 < perlDreamer> But in the checkout screen, only the configured ones will show up/
20:59 <@tavisto> it's okay if the shop admin shows itransact b/c the admin will know what that is
20:59 < perlDreamer> yeah, hope so at least
20:59 <@tavisto> I'm talking about what the user sees
20:59 <@tavisto> and I'm wondering about this mysterious Label vs. the button generated
21:02 < ckotil> think i found a bug in the user defined meta data recursive edit function.
21:02 < ckotil> im gonna do some testing to verify
21:03 < perlDreamer> tavisto, label only seems to be used to identify this configured driver in the Payment methods screen.
21:03 < BeginCSharp> perlDreamer: back to same story.. select * from groups where groupId=22-charId .. charid???
21:03 < perlDreamer> BeginCSharp: yes....?
21:03 <@tavisto> son of ah!
21:04 <@preaction> perlDreamer, is that the bug (that tavisto is talking about?)
21:04 < perlDreamer> yes and no
21:04 <@tavisto> Does anyone else think it's a good idea to present a new customer/visitor with a payment checkout screen that asks "Do you wish to use:  Cash or Itransact"
21:04 <@tavisto> I think that's a terrible idea
21:04 < perlDreamer> there are more echo calls in the driver.
21:04 < perlDreamer> that's hiding some of the nice i18n
21:04 <@tavisto> preaction, I wasn't sure if it was a bug. I figured the label would be used to build the checkout buttons
21:05 <@preaction> tavisto, i think we're in agreement that "ITransact", and simply that, means absolutely nothing to the target user
21:05 < perlDreamer> but I think there's a different issue that tavisto is bringing up, and that's the user interface
21:05 <@tavisto> yep, that's me.. always bugging you guys about the UI :)
21:06 <@preaction> tavisto, i'd do it myself (bug them about it), if you didn't keep coming up with them first :p
21:06 < BeginCSharp> perlDreamer: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d7208d0cb
21:07 <@tavisto> preaction, you are in a race with lance bugstrong
21:07 <@tavisto> I will let you be him.. (in IRC)
21:07 <@preaction> er... i think i'll maintain my... masculine integrity thank you
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21:08 < perlDreamer> tavisto, let's take a step back to the issue at hand.
21:09 < perlDreamer> You think the button for ITransact should say Credit Card
21:09 <@tavisto> correct
21:09 < perlDreamer> I can make it do that.
21:09 <@tavisto> the audience is customers.
21:11 < perlDreamer> I changed the driver name to be Credit Card (Itransact)
21:11 < perlDreamer> button name will be Credit Card
21:12 <@preaction> but it's still hardcoded, no? or even i18n? not user-configurable as they configure the Payment Gateway?
21:12 < perlDreamer> No
21:12 < perlDreamer> the label is only used in the manage screen
21:12 < perlDreamer> the button will be i18n'ed
21:12 <@preaction> k
21:12 < perlDreamer> I also udpated the hover help to talk about the label.
21:13 < perlDreamer> If that doesn't make everyone happy, I would suggest an RFE to add a new Payment driver property called Payment Button Label, that allows the International macro to be evaluated inside it.
21:14 <@preaction> OT: does anybody even use old versions of RSS? everyone uses RSS 2.0 now, right?
21:15 < ckotil> yup
21:17 < perlDreamer> tavisto, preaction: fixed
21:17 <@preaction> danke
21:17 < perlDreamer> Bitte schoen, mein freund
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21:17 <@tavisto> sweetness pD
21:19 <@tavisto> Well I don't foresee new payment plugins immediately but I still think that if someone will almost always use one or the other. And the Paypal and other payment gateways may be used at the same time but they'll be labeled with Paypal and Google.  :)
21:20 < perlDreamer> Don't both of those use credit cards, too?
21:20 <@tavisto> so should be non issue
21:20 <@tavisto> yeah they can
21:20 <@tavisto> but it's still through Paypal or Google.
21:20 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r6941 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 3 dirs): 
21:20 < CIA-6> WebGUI: Remove more echo calls from ITransact driver.
21:20 < CIA-6> WebGUI: Add an i18n ITransact label to the ITransact i18n.
21:20 < CIA-6> WebGUI: Add a PayDriver i18n label called Credit Card to be used by any credit card processing pay driver.
21:20 < CIA-6> WebGUI: Change the ITransact getButton method to use that label.
21:20 < CIA-6> WebGUI: Updated the PayDriver label hover help to say the label is only used in the Payment method screen
21:20 < perlDreamer> You do see the irony there, right? ;)
21:20 < CIA-6> WebGUI: and not anywhere else.
21:20 <@tavisto> I think the ability to set the button name would be best.. (in an rfe obviously)
21:21 <@tavisto> but yes I know what you're saying :)
21:21 <@tavisto> the only difference is 1 billion people know what paypal is
21:21 <@tavisto> 14 nerds in an IRC channel know what Itransact is
21:26 < topsub> credit card gateway?
21:26 < topsub> never heard of that one before if it is
21:26 < perlDreamer> 15 neds
21:26 < perlDreamer> :)
21:26 < topsub> lamo
21:32 <@tavisto> well topsub actually counts as 2 nerds so 16
21:32 <@tavisto> I'm only .5 nerd but I'm working on it
21:32 < topsub> lol
21:32 < topsub> even more now since i made my own product asset! woot! with custom variants
21:32 < topsub> lol
21:33 < topsub> <-- is proud
21:33 <@tavisto> that's sweet dude.. why are building custom product assets?
21:33 < topsub> since the EMS doesn't act like we want it to
21:33 < topsub> so created my own "product" to sale webinars
21:35 < topsub> and thanks to perlDreamer i have a custom tab to put my new fields in!
21:37 <@tavisto> well that sounds very cool
21:37 < topsub> maybe webgui can use my custom asset to sale webinars.. lol
21:38 <@tavisto> maybe, tis the beauty of open source.
21:38 <@tavisto> Plus if you make cool stuff you could always make them available to the community or sell em in the marketplace
21:39 < dionak> good one tavis
21:42 <@tavisto> I would like to see someone take the task of mass converting tons of open source CSS/HTML templates
21:52 < topsub> I will.. done in 2 hours
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22:18 < topsub> does the search asset search the variant information that packed as JSON object in the database? In my test it isn't so i wanted to confirm
22:21 <@preaction> topsub, it searches anything given to it via the indexContent method of WebGUI::Asset. you could override and add your own information if you desire
22:23 < topsub> i created my new asset and added a search asset. Then i told the search asset to search my new asset. So i tired to search for one of my variants and it didn't seem to saerch the JSON column were the variants are stored
22:23 < topsub> I did a search for a price "100" and it didn't return anything
22:24 < topsub> but i added a variant price of "100"
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22:26 <@preaction> price is probably not indexed
22:26 <@preaction> but since you have a custom asset, you can index whatever you want
22:27 < topsub> And like you said i will need to overwrite the indexContent in WebGUI::Asset to enable webgui::search to search the price?
22:27 < topsub> Is that what i am understanding?
22:28 <@preaction> override, like you did with getEditTabs
22:28 <@preaction> like, sub indexContent { my $self = shift; my $output = $self->SUPER::indexContent(); $output .= "add some more stuff"; return $output; } 
22:28 <@preaction> i'm not sure if that's exactly how you do it
22:29 <@preaction> look at WebGUI::Asset::File for an example probably
22:30 < topsub> hmm i am not sure what to include in indexContent. The columns of the tables i want it to search?
22:31 <@preaction> no, the actual content you want to index
22:31 <@preaction> so if you want a number, "100" indexed, you'd include that
22:32 <@preaction> then a search for "100" would include that result
22:32 < topsub> oh, so i need to put all the variables of the information i want it to index
22:32 < topsub> so the price is in the variable $pice so i need to pass that to the indexContent
22:33 < topsub> i see how file is doing it so i think i get it
22:33 <@preaction> actually it might be even more different: The $indexer thing is a WebGUI::Search::Index object
22:33 <@preaction> so it might be something like $indexer->addContent( "the content you want to index" );
22:34 <@preaction> looks like the method is called addKeywords
22:36 < topsub> so possible something like ..
22:36 < topsub> $indexer->addKeywords($self->getAllCollateral('variantsJSON')});
22:36 < topsub> here is the whole function if you want to see how i am using it
22:36 < topsub> http://webgui.pastebin.com/m277db53f
22:36 <@preaction> that depends on what getAllCollateral will do. you can really only send text to addKeywords, so no hashes, no array references
22:37 < topsub> ooo
22:37 <@preaction> you don't want to index the collateral keys, just the collateral data values
22:37 <@preaction> you don't want a search for "price" to come up with every product in your database
22:37 < topsub> true
22:37 <@preaction> you want it to come up with no products at all (preferably)
22:37 < topsub> alright so i will do a loop to just grab the values of the variants
22:37 <@preaction> unless that's some feature of the individual product
22:38 < topsub> then send that to the indexr
22:38 <@preaction> an array of values would work, yes
22:38 <@preaction> after you update that code, you'll need to re-run the indexer. see WebGUI/sbin/search.pl for details on that
22:38 < topsub> ah so pass array of values
22:38 < topsub> alright i will do a loop and try that
22:38 < topsub> thanks alot preaction!
22:39 <@preaction> an array will be joined into a space-separated text field automagically
22:39 < topsub> but it seems this really limits people being able to search your products you are saling
22:39 < topsub> selling*
22:40 <@preaction> so you could do addKeywords( values %{ $self->getAllCollateral } );
22:40 <@preaction> erm... looks like getAllCollateral returns an arrayref, not a hashref
22:41 <@preaction> so you'd need to do a map or something
22:48 < topsub> i crated an array and pushed the variants i want into that array and will send that to the addKeywords. 
22:49 < topsub> You did say it could handle arrays right?
22:49 <@preaction> yes
22:49 <@preaction> use the source, luke
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00:45 <@tavisto> anyone know if there was any plans to incorporate an authorize.net payment plugin into the new e-commerce?
00:45 <@tavisto> I thought I heard something awhile back about it.. but maybe it was just paypal
00:46 < perlDreamer> It was RFE'ed
00:46 <@tavisto> ah okay.. maybe that's why
00:46 <@tavisto> how hard are payment plugins to develop?
00:48 < CIA-6> WebGUI: translation * r6944 /translations/Spanish/Spanish/ (14 files): Update from translation server
00:57 < perlDreamer> I don't know.  Never written one
00:57 < perlDreamer> Only debugged them :)
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00:59 < miloidrr> Hi, I have a question about the beta version of webgui 7.5.15
01:00 < miloidrr> I can't see the commit option
01:00 < miloidrr> When i add a new asset the system don't show the commit
01:00 < miloidrr> Why this happen?
01:02 < perlDreamer> Be default, WebGUI autocommits all assets for you.
01:02 < perlDreamer> This is new to 7.5
01:02 < perlDreamer> If you want manual commit back, you can reset the options in the Admin Console, Setting.
01:04 < miloidrr> Ha oK
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01:46 <@tabb> Hey -- maybe someone in here will know this!  When you upload an image for a product, it creates a thumbnail version of that image as well.   Anyone know what the size restrictions are on those thumbnails, or where I can find that information?
01:46 < perlDreamer> tabb, I think that's in the Settings
01:47 <@tabb> Ahh so it can be changed.
01:47 <@tabb> I see it now.
01:47 < perlDreamer> I think so
01:47 <@tabb> Thank you!
01:47 < perlDreamer> You're welcome
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02:33 <+perlDreamer> and Spanish translation team breaks 40% on translating WebGUI!
02:34 <+perlDreamer> The Dutch team could not be reached for comment, but at over 96% translated, and showing weekly improvements, should not be worried.
02:35 <+perlDreamer> The long absent Arabic and German teams also made no comment.
02:53 <@tabb> Do you guys think this bug could be caused by a variable name conflict of some sort?  http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/gallery-description-text-appearing-in-album
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03:01 <+perlDreamer> tabb, if it is browser dependent, then it's not being caused by WebGUI or template variables.
03:01 <+perlDreamer> time to go home
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03:49 < CIA-6> WebGUI: ernesto * r6945 /WebGUI/etc/WebGUI.conf.original: 
03:49 < CIA-6> WebGUI: Tidy up default configuration file to enhance readability,
03:49 < CIA-6> WebGUI: having consistent indentation and (re-)ordered lists.
06:22 < CIA-6> WebGUI: chrisn * r6946 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm: Alphebetize the widget methods.
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06:29 < perlDreamer> Are any devs online?
06:30 < perlDreamer> preaction, apeiron, Haarg?
06:30 <@apeiron> What's up?
06:30 < perlDreamer> SquOnk just committed some cosmetic changes to the Webgui.conf.orig, and I think there's a bug in one of them.
06:30 < perlDreamer> He alphabetized all the lists
06:31 < perlDreamer> and I think content handlers, and maybe others, have to be in a certain order
06:33 <@preaction> content handlers yes
06:35 < perlDreamer> that's what I thought.
06:35 < perlDreamer> I'll revert it
06:37 <@preaction> assets, workflow activities, don't need to be in order
06:37 <@preaction> URL handlers i'm pretty sure need to be in order, they just have a prerequisite of "you must pass this regex to proceed"
06:38 <@preaction> so you could have a ".*" regex first, but have it determine whether or not to handle based on a form element. maybe
06:38 <@preaction> i should check that out though
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06:44 < perlDreamer> man, there's bad JSON commas in here too
06:45 < perlDreamer> I never realized how nice Perl's dangling comma rule was
06:46 < perlDreamer> sorry guys, just my normal friday evening panic
06:48 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r6947 /WebGUI/etc/WebGUI.conf.original: 
06:48 < CIA-6> WebGUI: In WebGUI.conf.orig, remove dangling commas, which are illegal in JSON.
06:48 < CIA-6> WebGUI: Restore the order of the Content handlers, which are searched in the order listed.
07:03 <@preaction> yeah, that dangling JS comma thing has screwed me over more times than i can count
07:04 < perlDreamer> maybe we could get the javascript people to change their syntax? ;)
07:19 <@apeiron> Use a different config file format! </devils_advocate>
07:19 < perlDreamer> what do you like, apeiron?
07:19 <@apeiron> I would probably opt for Config::General.
07:19 <@apeiron> Apache-like.
07:19 < perlDreamer> I could handle that
07:19 < perlDreamer> I thought you were going to say YAML
07:19 < perlDreamer> then I'd have to nuke you
07:19 <@apeiron> nooo
07:20 <@apeiron> Either that or an INI format.
07:20 <@apeiron> KISS is paramount for config files.
07:28 < perlDreamer> Okay, I added a test to monitor the WebGUI.conf.original file.
07:28 < perlDreamer> It also attempts to do better feedback than JSON does.
07:30 < perlDreamer> I mean, it gives you a flippin' character offset.  How easy is that to deal with?
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07:37 < CIA-6> WebGUI: Fix more JSON errors in WebGUI.conf.original
07:37 < CIA-6> WebGUI: Add a test to make sure that it is valid JSON.
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13:27 < eink> hi
13:27 < eink> is anybody here ?
14:09 < eink> up ?
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14:36  * eink is waiting
14:42  * eink hates time zones
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19:36 <@preaction> eink, you could post your question / comment to one of the webgui forums. that would negate the need to wait until someone in the US or NL are available
19:36 <@preaction> there's also an AU user
19:36 <@preaction> perlbot .co
19:36 < perlbot> .co is Colombia
19:36 <@preaction> also .co
19:37 <@preaction> also looks like .de
19:38 < eink> I've posted here http://www.plainblack.com/plain_black_support
19:38 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r6949 /WebGUI/ (t/Shop/Pay.t lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/PayDriver_ITransact.pm): 
19:38 < CIA-6> WebGUI: Update the test to match the new i18n label.
19:38 < CIA-6> WebGUI: Remove the trailing period from the ITransact i18n label.
19:39 < eink> should I also have posted on the public forum ?
19:39 <@preaction> ah, yes. plainblack support is 9-5 M-F US/Central. 
19:39 < eink> ok
19:39 <@preaction> you Could have posted on the public forum and maybe gotten an answer today or tomorrow, but it's like any other free help: your milage may vary
19:42 < eink> Do I duplicate the question, or do I wait your (or any other) to see it ? (it's the migration problem)
19:42 < eink> thanks
19:43 <@preaction> eink, you have the answer already, you need to upgrade before you can migrate. you can't migrate a site from 7.3.x to 7.4.x without running the upgrade script
19:43 <@preaction> so the reply you made where it worked, that's what you supposed to do
19:43 <@preaction> and that's most likely what they'll say come Monday morning
19:44 < eink> yes but it didn't work
19:46 < eink> do I need upgrade and then export only the MySQL table, or is there something else to do ?
20:00 <@preaction> you can either move the mysql database and uploads folder and then upgrade, or upgrade first then move them
20:00 <@preaction> you just need to make sure you have all the upgrade scripts from 7.3.16 - 7.4.40. located in docs/upgrades
20:00 <@preaction> i think you might need to upgrade to the highest 7.3 version before you upgrade to 7.4
20:01 <@preaction> the support board will help you more though, since i need to get going
20:02 < eink> ok
20:02 < eink> thanks
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20:41 < CIA-6> WebGUI: yung * r6950 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: Gallery: Description Text appearing in Album
20:53 < eink> I've just uploaded two databases, and the two sites seems to work now
20:53 < eink> I've to do the same for the others
22:09 < CIA-6> WebGUI: yung * r6951 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 3 dirs): fixed: Deleting Ticket from Event Management System Asset
23:40 < CIA-6> WebGUI: yung * r6952 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm): fixed: Thingy Search Broken
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05:08 < CIA-6> WebGUI: Fix a typo in the PageUrl POD.
05:08 < CIA-6> WebGUI: Add tests for the new query argument to the PageUrl macro.
05:27 < topsub> got a question, when i have a custom asset ( sub class of product ) does indexContent get called automatically?
05:38 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r6956 /WebGUI/t/Shop/Products.t: Make Shop/Products.t fail gracefully
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21:23 < beginwebgui> how to set and reset the showInForms in 'groups' table??
21:23 < beginwebgui> i didn't any option for that in Group Edit page...
21:23 < beginwebgui> i didn't see any option for that in Group Edit page...
21:32 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r6957 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Asset.t: remove getProductImportNode test from Asset.t
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21:43 < beginwebgui> how to set and reset the showInForms in 'groups' table??
21:43 < beginwebgui> i didn't see any option for that in Group Edit page...
21:44 < perlDreamer> It's not property that is available to admins or users.  It's only in the API.
21:44 < beginwebgui> but .. i found that its has been changed
21:44 < perlDreamer> then it was done in code someplace
21:44 < beginwebgui> the group i created has value 0 for showInForms
21:45 < beginwebgui> and for admin, everyone too
21:45 < perlDreamer> and everyone can see it?
21:46 < beginwebgui> no.. even admin cannot see the group it belongs too.. 
21:46 < beginwebgui> so to revert.. i must update through database..?
21:46 < perlDreamer> yes, or the API
21:47 < beginwebgui> oops.. now i remember.. 
21:49 < beginwebgui> i had used showInForms() sub to check whether a group is showable... but i when i wrote at i mistakenly pass parameter in that sub.. which will reset the value of showInForm.. 
21:49 < perlDreamer> Yup,  It will do that.
21:49 < beginwebgui> i only did that for that first time.. 
21:49 < perlDreamer> Almost all WebGUI accessors are also mutators.
21:49 < beginwebgui> (funny) :)
21:51 < beginwebgui> perlDreamer: moreover, i was insisting that nothing is shown using your code to check for it .. (it was 2 days ago with anem BeginCSharp .. if you remember)
21:51 < perlDreamer> yes, I remember that discussion
21:51 < perlDreamer> so, with the groups restored, does it work correctly now?
21:51 < beginwebgui> i have to do it . 
21:52 < beginwebgui> you said it works for you.. and when i used .. it didn't .. even with the correct version of code. 
21:52 < beginwebgui> :D
21:52 < beginwebgui> (my bad)
21:53 < perlDreamer> well, if you need a list of the defaults that WebGUI ships with for groups, let me know.
21:55 < beginwebgui> sure.. i know its just for four groups.. i can remember it.. 
21:57 < perlDreamer> http://webgui.pastebin.com/m6022071b
21:58 < beginwebgui> thnks a lot
22:17 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r6958 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/GalleryAlbum/view.t: comment the GalleryAlbum view tests, and fix a test that was failing due to a bug fix
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07:16 < perlDreamer> tavisto, ya big iphone addicted stud!
07:17 < perlDreamer> Do you think Flash is a little too over the top for my presentation?
07:19 <@tavisto> yeah the 2.0 roxxorz
07:19 <@tavisto> nope, I think you should be as cool as you wanna be
07:20 <@tavisto> I rented a chicken suit for my "WebGUI Resources for Newbies" presentation
07:20 <@tavisto> bawk!
07:20 < perlDreamer> Sweet.  You can practice while we're at OSCON
07:24 <@tavisto> actually... practice will be taken care of this week. I'm on a plane to maddy tomorrow til Fri
07:25 <@tavisto> OSCON should be neat for us... I think we're going to get slammed.. considering we have the best 10x10 property on the show floor
07:25 <@tavisto> we're between the food and Sun's super cool lounge area
07:26 < perlDreamer> Good spot
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07:37 < perlDreamer> tavisto: you need a costume like this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/x180/31863830/
07:38 <@tavisto> perlDreamer, we got one like that... why do you think we invited you to hang out at the booth?
07:39 <@tavisto> ;)
07:39 <@tavisto> oh btw.. drink lots of water before you meet up with us
07:39 <@tavisto> that suit gets pretty warm
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07:39 <+perlDreamer> Don't worry, I'll take good care of you while you're in it.
07:40 <@tavisto> uh huh...
07:40 <@tavisto> fine.. you talk to people about WebGUI for 12 hours straight.. I'll take the easy job
07:40 <@tavisto> "WebGUI is an open source content management system designed in Perl..."
07:40 <@tavisto> x 1000
07:41 <+perlDreamer> Well, okay.  How about this?  You wear the chicken suit with the BSD demon headset, and I'll hack perl.
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08:03 <@tavisto> perlDreamer, we'll make JT do that
08:03 <@tavisto> or attempt to anyway
08:04 <@tavisto> btw.. did you look at that crazy email bug I posted a few days ago? (International, <everything>) on the confirmation email from purchasing something from e-commerce
08:06 <+perlDreamer> Yes
08:06 <+perlDreamer> Still trying to figure that out
08:06 <+perlDreamer> I'm wondering if you have the International macro configured on that site
08:06 <+perlDreamer> Do you know the easy way of checking?
08:06 <@tavisto> um.. that's the PB beta server (for amla)
08:07 <@tavisto> so maybe that's all that needs to be done you think?
08:07 <+perlDreamer> perhaps
08:07 <+perlDreamer> Log in as Admin
08:07 <+perlDreamer> Go to Help
08:07 <+perlDreamer> Choose List of Configured Macros
08:07 <+perlDreamer> and it will tell you if the International macro is configured or not
08:08 <+perlDreamer> Is anyone else working on Shop anymore?
08:10 <@tavisto> international is showing "Yes"
08:10 <+perlDreamer> hm
08:10 <+perlDreamer> It will take some more digging
08:11 <+perlDreamer> All macros are supposed to be processed before sending
08:11 <+perlDreamer> so it's a bug
08:11 <@tavisto> I haven't heard much in re: to the shop lately so not sure
08:11 <+perlDreamer> I'm not going to have much time for WebGUI hacking in the near future.
08:11 <@tavisto> gah!
08:11 <+perlDreamer> At work we got told to start working evenings and weekends to try to pull in a schedule
08:11 <+perlDreamer> I put in 5 hours today, and 4 yesterday
08:12 <@tavisto> wow
08:16 <+perlDreamer> I'm heading to bed.
08:16 <+perlDreamer> later
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18:14 < KlausH> Hello! For disabling an asset or macro in webgui.conf can I write the comment symbol # at the beginning of the line or have I to delete the line with the asset or macro?
18:24 < ktopsub> the # should work
18:24 <@preaction> as long as it's still valid JSON, which means no final trailing commas
18:30 < KlausH> Thanks - the trailing comma....
18:36 <@Haarg> isn't the trailing comma allowed now?
18:37 <@preaction> Config::JSON and JSON.pm might allow it, but i still won't get into the habit of leaving it
18:37 <@preaction> and iirc perldreamer was helping people with JSON problems in 7.5 due to trailing commas
18:37 <@Haarg> yeah, i still avoid using it
18:37 <@preaction> but maybe we're both just being paranoid
18:37 <@Haarg> but i think with recent revs of Config::JSON it's allowed
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19:07 <@tavisto> hmm... in 7.5 the "skip commit comments" option doesn't change anything as far as I can tell
19:08 <@tavisto> regardless of which way I select it (yes/no) I still go to a screen with a comments field, and start/end date options.  Am I missing something here?
19:09 <@Haarg> it effects what happens with auto commit on
19:09 <@Haarg> i think it may be getting ignored with it off
19:09 <@preaction> is that in the hover help? it only works with Automatically Commit Content
19:11 <@tavisto> actually it is.. talks about with it being used in conjunction with skip commit comments
19:12 <@tavisto> although, it doesn't say "only works with"
19:13 <@tavisto> That's fine though, it makes total sense to me now. :)
19:15 <@preaction> well yes, but you're the 4th person i've had to answer that question for :p
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20:18 <@tavisto> ah well then greater clarification is needed
20:18 <@tavisto> alright peace out peeps.. see you in Madison
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20:34 < carogray> may I ask some questions about the Collaboration System and Collaboration System RSS  templates?
20:35 < perlDreamer> sure
20:35 < perlDreamer> have you looked at the online docs?
20:35 <@preaction> carogray, you can certainly ask questions, getting answers is only a bit less certain
20:35 < carogray> We are on 7.4.40
20:37 < carogray> Ok _ I am not a programmer so I ask very basic stuff.......We have a collaboration system for news. There is an RSS syndicated content on our front page to display the news. I would like to put into the template for the RSS the attachment_thumbnail for the various news items posted to the collaboration system. 
20:39 < carogray> I copied the syndicated content template and renamed it NLS syndicated content then edited it so the list reads:
20:39 < carogray> <ul>
20:39 < carogray> <tmpl_loop item_loop>
20:39 < carogray> <li>
20:39 < carogray> 	<tmpl_if link>
20:39 < carogray> 		<tmpl_if attachment_thumbnail>
20:39 < carogray> 		<tmpl_var attachment_thumbnail><a href="<tmpl_var link>"><tmpl_var title></a>
20:39 < carogray> 		</templ_if>
20:39 < carogray> 	<tmpl_else>
20:39 < carogray> 		<tmpl_var attachment_thumbnail> <tmpl_var title>
20:39 < carogray> 	</tmpl_if>
20:39 < carogray> <!-- Don't show beginnings of news -->
20:40 < carogray> 	<!--<tmpl_if description>
20:40 < carogray> 		- <tmpl_var description>
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20:41 <@preaction> carogray, don't paste into IRC channels
20:41 < carogray> oh...
20:41 <@preaction> http://webgui.pastebin.com <- paste into the form there, and then give us the URL it gives you
20:41 < carogray> do I just type in?
20:41 < carogray> oh..
20:41 < carogray> ok
20:41 <@preaction> it shows up immediately on your screen, but on our screens it spreads out (so you don't get kicked off the IRC server for "flooding")
20:42 <@preaction> but i could say now that there's probably no way to get that information to the RSS feed in the collaboration system
20:43 <@preaction> i mean, plain black got a request to add that
20:43 < carogray> oh what about the attachment_thumbnail?
20:43 <@preaction> the RSS feed for the collab does some weird song-and-dance through another module, and that other module doesn't grab attachments or anything
20:44 <@preaction> but, if you or someone you know is going to the WUC this year, there will be an Advanced presentation on how to make an RSS feed from anything by making a custom template
20:44 < carogray> do you see in the help when it lists variables for the RSS template, it lists attachment_thumbnail, is this for something else
20:45 < carogray> ?
20:45 <@preaction> is it not working then?
20:45 < carogray> I put the code I put into the template into the pastebin thing....
20:46 < carogray> I get an error 
20:46 <@preaction> carogray, now look at the URL in your address bar, and paste that URL in here
20:46 <@preaction> what's the error that you get?
20:47 < carogray> I just pasted the error into the bottom of the pastebin where it allows you to amend...
20:47 < carogray> oops sorry URL for pastbin?
20:48 < carogray> http://webgui.pastebin.com/d4d050eb9
20:48 <@preaction> line 7 in your template </templ_if> should be </tmpl_if>, that's the error
20:48 <@preaction> probably
20:49 < carogray> is that a space between / and t? 
20:49 <@preaction> carogray, no. the "e" needs to come out, that's it
20:50 < carogray> oh yes... sorry, a bit blind
20:52 < carogray> well, only 1 bullet - the top 1/2 shows, in the RSS now. So I guess it just doesn't work. 
20:53 < carogray> I wonder why there is an attachment_thumbnail variable to go with an RSS feed if ...perhaps it's just something incomplete that's in the works.
20:53 <@preaction> carogray, no, you  might have to use the attachmentLoop which is inside the item_loop
20:53 < carogray> thanks for your help
20:53 <@preaction> attachment_thumbnail for the item is just the first attachment
20:53 <@preaction> any other attachments are inside the attachmentLoop
20:54 < carogray> ...oh so I would loop ...ok  I will try it, do you think since there is the variable that it might be able to work if I try it?
20:55 <@preaction> carogray, dunno. the Collaboration RSS template help has the attachmentLoop in there if you're looking
21:00 < carogray> lookin
21:01 < carogray> getting lost... 
21:02 < carogray> thinking about what needs looping the attachments within the item...
21:03 <@preaction> yes, so it would essentially go <tmpl_loop item_loop> <tmpl_loop attachmentLoop> ... </tmpl_loop> </tmpl_loop>
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21:06 < carogray> outsdie the list
21:06 <@preaction> uh... if i understand what you mean, yes
21:07 <@preaction> you'd replace the "..." with the code to generate the <li> elements
21:11 < carogray> ok - done, but screwed up syntax again... will have another look
21:20 < carogray> okey doke I have syntax, no errors, but nothing showing up either, wondering if I have written it so that only posts that have an attachment will show up in the list...but there 2 of 3 posts have attachments, so that mustn't be it...
21:21 <@preaction> put your updated template in a pastebin and we can look at it
21:21 < perlDreamer> perhaps carogray is afraid of "commit"-ment?
21:21 < perlDreamer> RSS is always as user Visitor
21:22 < carogray> need to commit to show up?
21:22 < carogray> pasted into pastebin again
21:22 < carogray> http://webgui.pastebin.com/d59940511
21:23 < perlDreamer> carogray, yes
21:24 < carogray> committed. 
21:24 < perlDreamer> now, clear the cache and try to reload the RSS
21:24 < carogray> should I look at it as a visitor and isn't there some delay with RSS feeds?
21:25 < carogray> oop nothing shows up at all
21:25 < carogray> it's test2.mlri.org
21:25 < carogray> the what's new section
21:26 < carogray> that is on the front page what's new 
21:26 <@preaction> carogray, yeah, you're only showing the links that have attachments
21:27 <@preaction> it should be more like: <tmpl_loop item_loop><li><tmpl_loop attachmentLoop><tmpl_var attachment_thumbnail></tmpl_loop> <tmpl_var title> </li></tmpl_loop>
21:29 < carogray> aah yes, that's what I had the first time... when I got confused about where the attachment loop should go, but ...if the code I have only shows links for items that have attachments, still those 2 links that have attachments should show up, no?
21:29 <@preaction> it should, yes, but i don't know
21:31 < carogray> hmmm, since we think there is a request for webgui to add attachment thumbnails to RSS but they haven't, just because attachment_thumbnail is a variable doesn't necessarily mean that it will work. I am going to try the other way, attachment loop within each li.
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21:57 < carogray> all righty tried again, asking it to look at each item, if it has a link, run the attachment loop, if it has an attachment use the thumbnail for it and then usethe link, if there is no attachment, then only use the link, if there is no link run the attachment loop and if there is an attachment use the thumbnail for it and the title if there is no attachment then just put up the tiltle. I get 3 bullets and nothing else.
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22:38 < perlDreamer> When was the presentation that talks about when what is done in WebGUI?  Like template processing vs macro processing?
22:48 < dionak> i've seen a flow chart in one of the books with that. it was a bit confusing with many arrows...but that was the point of the diagram
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23:29 < perlDreamer> thanks, dionak.
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23:39 <@bopbop> perlDreamer: wasn't that one of Rizen's wuc talks last year?
23:39 <@bopbop> the diagram dionak is referring to is in the admin guide
23:40 < perlDreamer> bopbop: I'll check my conference CD. I know he talked about Workflow.
23:41 < perlDreamer> I think I have it figured out.  I thought all templates processed macros.  That's wrong.
23:41 < perlDreamer> So when Tavis shows up, please tell him that his email receipt bug is fixed.
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02:45 <+perlmonkey2> anyone have a favorite bug they'd like smashed in the buglist?
02:48 < Khaytsus> perlmonkey2: You code on WG now?
02:50 <+perlmonkey2> Khaytsus: I'm like a pirate.  I code wherever the wind takes me.
02:50 < Khaytsus> That doesn't answer my question.
02:50 <+perlmonkey2> Khaytsus: Do you code on WG now?
02:51 < Khaytsus> No?
02:51 <+perlmonkey2> do you use WG?
02:51 < Khaytsus> Yes?
02:52 <+perlmonkey2> JT asked me to squash a few bugs in my spare time.
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02:52 <+perlmonkey2> I now have some spare time.
02:52 < Khaytsus> Ah.
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03:08 < dionak> The RSS bug is my fave bug
03:10 < dionak> perlmonkey2: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/rss-and-template-engine-error#AFk7eAV1mhITyygsJLl73g
03:10 <@preaction> i fixed that, no?
03:11 < dionak> oh, yea. sorry. just saw that
03:11 <@preaction> i mean, i may have done so in the worst possible way (by removing any accidental features caused by not removing those things), but it is fixed
03:12 <@preaction> but we can add better handlers for new XML modules in RSS later (and we will)
03:12 < dionak> what version was this released in? i'll give it a look.
03:12 < dionak> makes sense. i'm just hoping for no error message for now and we'll look into what is needed later. 
03:12 <@preaction> it was a month ago, so it's in the latest beta release
03:12 < dionak> great. thanks. :)
03:18 < dionak> what is colin's nick?
03:18 < dionak> perldreamer?
03:25 <+Radix-wrk> yeah
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03:47 < patspam> rizen: thanks for the feedback on the Wobject install/upgrade infrastructure
03:48 <@rizen> np man...sorry it took so long
03:48 < patspam> that's cool, I've been spamming the list a bit lately
03:49 <@rizen> it's not spam when it's useful
03:49 <@rizen> i'm just disappointed more people haven't responded to you
03:50 < patspam> heh yeah i was hoping for some replies to the flux stuff
03:50 <@rizen> the dev mailing list has virtually died as a result of the IRC channel
03:51 <@rizen> plus in the summer less people participate because they're on vacation
03:51 < patspam> ah ok. very much winter over here..
03:52 < patspam> I always rue the time difference for IRC because by the time I get going with my day and start having some interesting questions you guys are all asleep
03:52 <@rizen> hehe
03:53 <@rizen> it kind of sucks for that with the dutch guys too
03:53 <@rizen> by the time we start our day, they are heading to get beers
03:53 <@rizen> =)
03:53 < patspam> hehe
03:54 < patspam> what do you think about using something like Module::Install as the basis for the Wobject install stuff, to make Wobject distros more CPAN-like?
03:55 <@rizen> haven't looked at it
03:55 <@rizen> but its name sounds promising
03:56 < patspam> it's the module that drives the Makefile.PL thing
03:57 < patspam> makes it easy for authors to list out which modules their distro depends on, define custom install actions etc..
03:57 < patspam> then users run "perl Makefile.PL", "make test", "make install" etc..
03:57 < patspam> (or CPAN does it for you)
03:58 <@rizen> hmmm
03:58 <@rizen> i don't really like the sound of that
03:59 <@rizen> for one i'd like it to be more automated than that
03:59 <@rizen> and i wouldn't want it at all tied to cpan
04:00 < patspam> I don't think it's actually tied to cpan, it's just the standardized tool that cpan uses
04:00 <@rizen> i guess i'd need to investigate it more
04:00 < patspam> ok no worries, just sounding it out
04:02 < patspam> btw, do you think getting to the stage where the wreconsole is used to grab and install custom Wobjects is a worthwhile goal?
04:06 < patspam> ah actually you already said that in the email ;)
04:08 <@preaction> what i was thinking that WebGUI itself had the AssetMixin and the sbin/installAsset.pl, while the WRE console knew what to do with a tarball, put files in the right place, etc...
04:08 <@preaction> though i suppose sbin/installAsset.pl could do it as well
04:24 < patspam> preaction: yeah that would be good if it was in the WRE from the get-go
04:25 < patspam> i was thinking it should use a custom lib folder rather than sticking the files into the /data/WebGUI/lib tree
04:27 <@preaction> probably
04:27 < patspam> will need to do something for the www/extras/wobject/ folder too
04:27 <@preaction> that's a bit trickier, but something like that would be useful to me too
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05:08 < patspam> did you guys see this? http://use.perl.org/articles/08/07/09/1434206.shtml
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05:17 <+perlmonkey2> boo, it uses surveymonkey
05:18 < patspam> heh
05:18 < patspam> but worth making our mod_perl usage heard
05:35 < CIA-6> WebGUI: yung * r6974 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed: Gallery reverts to undeletable bare asset if created with default view "Single Album"
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06:25 <@tavisto> what's up party people
06:29 < perlDreamer> your bug is fixed, my liege
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06:49 <@tavisto> perlDreamer, yeah I saw it... you rock!
06:49 < perlDreamer> 'tis true
06:49 <@tavisto> Graham and Vrby asked me about that earlier because Graham got copied on the AMLA error
06:50 <@tavisto> is that something that could easily be done to work on the beta right now? (if I asked JT if Graham or someone could do it?)
06:50 < perlDreamer> yes
06:50 < perlDreamer> tell them that it is rev 6966
06:51 <@tavisto> alright I'll do that.. cuz AMLA is chewing on it's own arm waiting for commerce to be back up.. and that bug is quite an obstacle :)
06:52 < perlDreamer> well, if my design review goes well tomorrow, I may have some more free time for Shop bug fixing.
06:53 <@tavisto> he just told me that there wont be a thursday bugfix release with us doing our pre-wuc thing
06:54 < perlDreamer> tell him his ear hair needs trimming and to put one out anyway
06:54 <@tavisto> cool man, well hopefully it goes well.. since if it doesn't it will probably be a headache for you
06:54 <@tavisto> :)
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06:55 < patspam> perlmonkey2: how be the survey 2.0?
06:56 < patspam> i haven't checked it out for a month or so, about to build some stuff with it
06:56 <@tavisto> *tavisto rubs his eyes*
06:56 <@tavisto> pat, I don't see pm2
06:56 < patspam> aw damn
06:56 <@tavisto> :)
06:57 < patspam> australian timezone bites again
06:58 <+perlDreamer> He is usually on around 9:00am PDT
06:58 < patspam> i should just shift my working day by 12 hrs.. i could have the tour de france on while i worked that way too..
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06:59 < patspam> instead of staying up all night watching it and then being sleepy all day
07:00 < patspam> ah well, I guess I'll ask svn instead..
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07:13 <@tavisto> hehe yeah I always stay up too late as well
07:13 <@tavisto> but then I dont get phone calls and etc... and working for PB lets me have a really flexible schedule
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14:45 < CIA-6> WebGUI: patspam * r6975 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (3 files in 3 dirs): WebGUI_flux: Added SurveyCompleted Operand (with tests). Returns true/false depending on whether user has completed the given survey. Will probably need to be updated when Survey2 is done (tests in particular).
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16:08 < SDuensin> Greetings.
16:17 < dionak> hello
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18:13 < topsub> When creating a custom form control is there a way i can do a pop up box and call a function within my form control?
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19:29 < CIA-6> WebGUI: yung * r6976 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/UserList.pm: Trying to fix a problem with User List crashing due to old user profile fields belonging to Dashboard.
19:40 < dionak> why is it so quiet? is there an event going on?
19:40 < dionak> OSCON isn't till the 21st...
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21:24 < perlDreamer> I think if my job messes up my email so that I can't receive email, that I should get to go home.
21:24 < perlDreamer> At least until they fix it
21:29 <+perlmonkey2> just forward your work email to your own server.
21:29 <+perlmonkey2> And tell every that if they really want to contact you, use IM :P
21:39 < topsub> anyone here created there own form control yet? I am stuck on how getValue works in form controls.
21:39 < topsub> I have my form control created, i just need to figure out how webgui processes the form control
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22:06 < perlDreamer> topsub: have you figured out getValue yet?
22:08 < topsub> perlDreamer, not yet Trying to see how its called, why its called. I assumed the form control would post the selected values. I am building a select list
22:09 < topsub> http://webgui.pastebin.com/m3f1a2f4e
22:09 < topsub> thats my custom form control. its 2 select boxes side by side. This will allow you to select resources for an asset ( webinar )
22:10 < perlDreamer> If you're trying to build a select list, then why not sub-class an existing one as a base?
22:10 < perlDreamer> as to getValue, unless you need to do special processing, you don't have to have one.
22:14 < topsub> i have 2 seelect list going
22:14 < perlDreamer> each one has it's own unique name?
22:14 < topsub> i want to pull my first one which is called "resource"
22:14 < topsub> correct
22:15 < topsub> what i am getting is a list of users in the system and being able to select them and they will move to the "resource" select list
22:15 < topsub> then i want to save whats in the "resource" select list in the database
22:16 < topsub> guess i need to tell my form control to just save the contents of the first select box
22:16 < topsub> sorry select list
22:17 < perlDreamer> I think that WebGUI::Form::List::getValue will be helpful to you.
22:21 < topsub> ah, i will look into that
22:21 < topsub> When the form post i want to get the value (s) from the 'resource' select list and save that. But i wasn't sure how webgui got the values and such.
22:21 < perlDreamer> It just needs a name
22:22 < perlDreamer> In fact, you might be able to subclass SelectList entirely and just override to toHtml method to add your extra code and JS.
22:23 < topsub> hmm really..
22:24 < perlDreamer> yeah
22:25 < topsub> sounds alot easier then what i am doing
22:27 < topsub> would that make it so i dont' have to write something to save my values? and reselect my values into the select list?
22:28 < perlDreamer> it would mean that you might only have to write one method in a package instead of all of them.
22:28 < perlDreamer> but that's based on a bunch of assumptions
22:29 < perlDreamer> 1) there's no more magic than what you just described.
22:33 < topsub> What i have now.. http://webgui.pastebin.com/m54dfb1a8
22:33 < topsub> Seems i just need to tell webgui to pull from the select list with the id "hopper"
22:34 < topsub> arg sry "resource"
22:34 < perlDreamer> well, maybe
22:34 < perlDreamer> You may have seen in getValue that the name of the Form is not hardcoded, it's looked up in the Form object's properties?
22:35 < perlDreamer> so, if you use the Form's object's name when you create the form...
22:54 < perlDreamer> if you do it that way, then you could put as many of them as you want into a page
22:57 < topsub> sorry still looking into this.. so i need to setup a definiton and toHtml in my form control
22:58 < topsub> then in my definition say use this select list as my list to process to the database?
22:58 < topsub> something like that?
23:01 < perlDreamer> I think you only need a definition if you're extending or overriding the parent
23:02 < perlDreamer> getDatabaseFieldType is used by some code that automatically generate field forms (Thingy, user profile, etc.)
23:02 < perlDreamer> as long as you can inherit from the parent, you're fine.
23:02 < perlDreamer> topsub: are you coming to the WUC?
23:02 < topsub> yep
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23:58 < apeiron_> tavis is talking about you folks.
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23:59 < perlDreamer> who, us?
23:59 <@apeiron> Yep.
23:59 < perlDreamer> what did we do?
23:59 <@apeiron> Be here.
23:59 < perlDreamer> Is that good?
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00:00 <@apeiron> In this case.
00:03 < perlDreamer> You don't sound very much like apeiron.  You sound more like rizen.
00:03 < perlDreamer> How do we know he hasn't hijacked your nick?
00:03 <@apeiron> Uhm, I'm identified and my password is a random sequence of punctuation and alphanumerics.
00:04 < perlDreamer> Well, that sounds more like apeiron.
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00:32 < BeginnerCSharp> How can we give permission to view/edit an asset to multiple groups??
00:34 <@apeiron> BeginnerCSharp: What you'd need to do for that is to make a container group, put the groups you want to view / edit in that group, and then set that group to view / edit.
00:35 < BeginnerCSharp> you mean group of groups
00:35 <@apeiron> Yep.
00:36 < BeginnerCSharp> Why is it WebGUI desgin in that way? it would be easier if there some kind of checkbox for access control for each groups and even users.
00:39 < perlDreamer> BeginnerCSharp, that's a matter of opinion
00:40 <@apeiron> BeginnerCSharp: Patches welcome.
00:40 < BeginnerCSharp> :)
00:40 < BeginnerCSharp> (thinking about that)
00:40 <@apeiron> If it gives one a choice between current behavior and what you're describing, I think that'd be reasonable.
00:41 <@apeiron> 'cause there're lots of sites that depend on the current behavior, so a patch can't change that.
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00:42 < BeginnerCSharp> having option like "advanced" beside current implementation would be good
00:42 < BeginnerCSharp> (interesting)
00:43 <@apeiron> perlDreamer: I'm not certain, but would Flux be able to manage this?
00:43 < perlDreamer> possibly
00:44 < perlDreamer> unfortunately, the patSpam man is not online right now
00:44 <@apeiron> BeginnerCSharp: You may want to ask patspam about this here, or post on the dev list.
00:44 <@apeiron> I'm not precisely certain, but Flux might do that now.
00:45 < BeginnerCSharp> Flux!
00:45 <@apeiron> Yes, Flux.
00:45 < BeginnerCSharp> is that an asset?
00:45 < perlDreamer> Who can take WebGUI?
00:45 < perlDreamer> Add some flux to it?
00:45 < perlDreamer> The patspam man
00:45 <@apeiron> BeginnerCSharp: It's more a authorization system.
00:45 < perlDreamer> The patspam 'cuz he mixes it with perl and makes the world taste good
00:46 <@apeiron> It's not an auth plugin because it ties into WebGUI pretty tightly.
00:47 < BeginnerCSharp> oo.. webgui is based on it.. or we can use "Flux" as addons to webgui?
00:47 < BeginnerCSharp> (am i getting a point here?)
00:47 <@apeiron> BeginnerCSharp: It's not based on Flux. Flux is currently being developed.
00:47 <@apeiron> However, from what I understand, it may do what you need.
00:48 < BeginnerCSharp> o o
00:48 < BeginnerCSharp> ( damn it! .. i am using old version)
00:49 <@apeiron> Flux doesn't manage logins but rather allows a content manager to specify rules for who can do what with what content.
00:49 <@apeiron> (as far as I understand)
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00:50 < BeginnerCSharp> great! .. i think thats what was looking for.
00:50 <@apeiron> Yeah, I think so too. But please speak to patspam as he's the authority on this.
00:52 < BeginnerCSharp> (http://www.webgui.org/webgui/dev/discuss/the-webgui_flux-branch#efVKrWCQd1FR0tT5FcbSKw) 
00:52 < BeginnerCSharp> but still in demo version
00:52 <@apeiron> Yes, but the best way to make sure that the bugs that affect you are fixed is to try it while it's still in beta. :)
00:53 < BeginnerCSharp> yeah! :)
00:54 < perlDreamer> He wrote an amazing amount of tests for that code.
00:54 < perlDreamer> It's the best tested code in WebGUI
00:54 < perlDreamer> phenomenal coverage
00:55 < perlDreamer> patspam++
00:56 < perlDreamer> BeginnerCSharp, if you look in SVN through the web interface, you can also get the Flux design documents.
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00:58 < perlDreamer> that would be https://svn.webgui.org
00:58 < perlDreamer> and browse the repository
01:04 < BeginnerCSharp> great!
01:04 < BeginnerCSharp> i am looking at it
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04:15 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r6977 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Asset.t: add another fixTitle test for title only with HTML
04:15 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r6978 /WebGUI/sbin/testEnvironment.pl: Locale::US is not used anymore
04:15 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r6979 /WebGUI/ (17 files in 5 dirs): 
04:15 < CIA-6> WebGUI: Add a continue shopping url to the Donation, Product, FlatDiscount and Subscription
04:15 < CIA-6> WebGUI: Sku's. Update all the templates to display this URL. The new url takes the
04:15 < CIA-6> WebGUI: user back to the view method with no extra variables set (like hasAddedToCart).
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05:38 < patspam> perlmonkey: you about?
05:38 < patspam> perlmonkey2: (oops) you about?
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05:54 < perlDreamer> patspam, we had a Flux customer for you here earlier today
05:55 < patspam> ah really?
05:55 < perlDreamer> yup
05:55 < patspam> do tell!
05:55 < perlDreamer> wanted to know why he couldn't say that group A and group B could not be given rights to an Asset.
05:55 < perlDreamer> we told him you could, if you used a container group
05:55 < perlDreamer> or that Flux might do the job.
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05:56 < patspam> ah ok, flux would eat that up, but yeah so would a container group
05:57 < patspam> flux could also do an arbitrary boolean expression on groups, e.g. (group1 and not group2) or group3
05:58 < perlDreamer> flux is very powerful
05:58 < perlDreamer> and has a rockin' test suite
06:00 < patspam> thanks man
06:02 < patspam> I added the first Wobject-related plugin last night (SurveyCompleted), which is where things get really interesting
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10:42 < Trebbor> Hi.
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15:18 < ryuu_ro> Hi guys
15:18 < ryuu_ro> i've got this strange problem
15:18 < ryuu_ro> when I open the admin console everything looks okay
15:19 < ryuu_ro> I use the default admin style
15:19 < ryuu_ro> but when I open the asset manager then my website pokes through
15:19 < ryuu_ro> does anybody have an idea
15:19 < ryuu_ro> ?
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15:42 < SDuensin> Greetings.
15:44 < ryuu_ro> G'day
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16:29 < Charley> Tavis, are you on here?
16:32 < Charley> Hope someone can help.  I posted on the support board that CAPTCHA wasn't working on my site.  Preaction posted "I can't get past the CAPTCHA myself, so as a temporary fix, I have blocked the IP addresses from your server."  Now my site is down completely!  I must be back up.  HELP??
16:34 < ryuu_ro> I'm not sure if I can help, but let's start with giving me the url
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16:40 < Charley> goeldorado.com
16:40 < Charley> thanks
16:42 < ryuu_ro> is it hosted by PB?
16:42 < Charley> yes.
16:44 < ryuu_ro> ok, are you managing the server yourself? Or is PB doing that for you?
16:44 < Charley> PB
16:45 < ryuu_ro> ok, in that case i'm afraid I can't help you out. Best thing to do is contact PB I think
16:45 < Charley> HOW????????
16:46 < ryuu_ro> Well you have an support contract don't you? I guess you can find some information there about the Service Delivery of PB
16:47 < Charley> I am on the $50/mo online support only plan.
16:48 < carogray> Hi - we are hosted by PlainBlack we have about 13 sites on a shared server with them, but only one person at our organization is allowed to interact directly with them, yours truly
16:48 < ryuu_ro> I really don't know, we run our own servers
16:48 < carogray> In the past when one of our websites has gone down we are allowed for me to phone them directly to say website down! and they don't charge us
16:49 < carogray> Aa if you run your own servers that won't work
16:49 < Charley> Thanks for all your help.  I really appreciate it.  I guess they checked their messages, because it's back up now.
16:49 < Charley> Again, thanks for responding and helping me.
16:49 < ryuu_ro> no problem, glad it's online
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17:48 <+perlmonkey2> is the latest testEnv from svn working for anyone else?
17:49 <+perlmonkey2> Test::MockObject 1.02 is needed, and I have 1.08 installed, yet it keeps asking to update every time I run it.
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18:07 < carogray> can anyone quickly explain to me what USS in a collaboration system is and how /the purpose of having a default USS template is rather than some other kind of template like "traditional with thumbnail"?
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18:12 < carogray> never mind "quickly", I meant "simply" I think
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18:20 <+perlmonkey2> carogray: I don't see how a thumbnail would be used in a collab with USS as default.
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18:25 < perlDreamer> lisette: Your team continues to do a great job on translating WebGUI.  Great work!
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18:36 <+perlmonkey2> anyone working on "Marking email as unrequired causes duplicate email when registering" ?
18:37 <+perlmonkey2> looks like an easy fix but I don't know how people "check out a bug".
18:37 < perlDreamer> I don't think that's a bug
18:37 < perlDreamer> Emails are supposed to be unique in the system
18:38 < perlDreamer> regardless of whether they're required or not
18:38 < perlDreamer> but that's my opinion
18:38 < perlDreamer> If emails are not unique, then "bad things" can happen with parts of wG's API
18:40 <+perlmonkey2> but there is no email
18:40 < lisette> yes, i translate the monday
18:40 < lisette> thanks.
18:40 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: the bug is when no email is entered
18:40 <+perlmonkey2> because it is not required
18:41 < lisette> perlDreamer: i need to know more about the programming of the templates, where i find information about this?
18:41 < perlDreamer> lisette, for the HTML::Template syntax, please go over to search.cpan.org and search for HTML::Template.
18:41 <+perlmonkey2> so the check for duplicates probably looks something like "where email = '$emailaddy'" and $emailaddy is equal to ''.  
18:42 < perlDreamer> for how it is implemented in WebGUI, see Asset::Template, and all subclasses, especially Asset::Template::HTMLTemplate;
18:42 < perlDreamer> perlmonkey2: I _think_ that's either an explicit db check, or a unique column spec.
18:42 < perlDreamer> and '' entered twice is not unique :)
18:43 < lisette> thanks perlDreamer
18:43 < lisette> in this Asset i found the name of variables used?
18:44 < perlDreamer> I'm not sure I understand that, lisette.
18:45 < perlDreamer> For lists of template variables, see the built-in help viewer.  Admin Console -> Help
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18:45 < lisette> ok, thanks
18:47 < lisette> i can do a new template?
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18:47 < perlDreamer> lisette, that depends.
18:47 < lisette> or which is the way for i do a template?
18:47 < perlDreamer> If you want to make a customized template in a certain namespace, then yes.
18:47 < elnino> Hi everyone!  I have a potential customer that want's to do online registration with credit card payments.  Does webgui do that sort of thing?
18:47 < perlDreamer> If you want a new template with completely new variables, then you have to write a new method in the Asset to handle it.
18:48 < perlDreamer> elnino: Yes.  The EMS EventManagementSystem is set up for that.
18:48 < perlDreamer> lisette, can you tell me more about what you're trying to do?
18:49 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: I'm not sure what you're saying.  '' entered twice being not unique is the problem.  With the settings listed in the bug, you should be able to have multiple users with '' as their email addy.  Although it looks like the bug might be in the user creation, as all other blank fields are NULL, while email is ''.
18:49 < elnino> what do I need to have to be able to do that... I've never done anything credit-card stuff before.. I'm assuming I need some kinda of online credit card service?  recommendations?  Approx cost??
18:49 < perlDreamer> WebGUI comes with a driver for the ITransact credit card ecommerce setup.
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18:52 <+perlmonkey2> newByEmail in User.pm might need to be changed if multiple users can have blank emails.
18:52 < lisette> i want to know more of templates, what can do whit this
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18:53 < perlDreamer> In that case, I'd still make the same recommendations as before.
18:54 < elnino_laptop> grr .dropped network.  Did I miss anything?  I'll take a look at itransact.. Thanks!
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18:54 < perlDreamer> Right now ITransact is WebGUI's only driver for credit card handling.
18:55 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: I wish you would explain what you meant about there not being a bug.  Is it not okay to have two users with empty email addresses?
18:56 < perlDreamer> pm2: not in my opinion
18:57 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: But email can be set to optional?  So is that the bug?
19:01 <+perlmonkey2> Well that was some drive-by advice.
19:02 < lisette> perlDreamer i want to know more of templates, what can do whit this
19:06 < perlDreamer> perlmonkey2: just ack for newByEmail and look at what breaks if email addresses are not unique
19:06 < perlDreamer> okay lisette, thanks.  I just want to be sure I'm giving you the correct advice.
19:07 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: that seems permature given we still haven't decided if we want non-unique email addresses, even if the only allowed value is NULL or ''.
19:08 < perlDreamer> perlmonkey2, I think we're arguing orthogonally.
19:08 < perlDreamer> I think the question of uniqueness is answered.
19:08 < perlDreamer> If they're not unique, you break CS and user invites
19:08 < perlDreamer> user invites are optional
19:08 < perlDreamer> CSes, not so much :)
19:09 < lisette> I want to know where I can reach with templates, so that part of the programming I use to jump to a macro or a wobject, which incidentally I'm watching the tutorial to learn more about the topic, then why wonder what the templates, because they do not know them very well.
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19:10 <+perlmonkey2> okay, so then the solution is to not allow empty email addresses.  Which is what I thought you were getting at, but then you asked me to see what newByEmail would break, meaing perhaps the issue was not resolved.
19:10 < perlDreamer> no, that was meant to be illustrative
19:10  * perlmonkey2 shoots himself.
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19:12 < perlDreamer> sorry, I'm holding 4 conversations at the same time.
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19:12 <+perlmonkey2> and newByEmail wouldn't break.  It would simply return the first user.
19:13 < perlDreamer> perlmonkey2: sure, but which of my 500 users with the same, empty email address would that be?
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19:14 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: well I'm only one package into testing for what damage this would do, and so far everything tests for if email is defined.
19:17 <+perlmonkey2> hmm, looks like users with no email would get treated like Visitors or Everyone for CS.
19:17 <+perlmonkey2> and that is the only problem I can find.
19:17 < perlDreamer> well, maybe I was hasty in my assessment
19:19 < perlDreamer> although being in groups Visitor, or everyone does preclude you from using email with the CS.
19:19 < perlDreamer> and you wouldn't be able to get email receipts from the Shop
19:19 < perlDreamer> no private messages
19:20 <+perlmonkey2> perhaps an alternative solution.  I'm unfamiliar with the intra-WG messaging, but could  a local email be substituded for blank?
19:20 < perlDreamer> I don't know
19:21 <+perlmonkey2> but having the CS and Shop would have requirements directly opposite of an anonymous website.  So some options will obviously not be compatiable with both.
19:22 <+perlmonkey2> and so far it looks like the code fails gracefully.
19:22 < perlDreamer> Yes.  I guess as long as that is clearly documented somewhere that would be okay.
19:22 <+perlmonkey2> I'll write up what I can in the bug and let people closer to the project figure it out.
19:30 < carogray> perlmonkey2: I don't understand what USS is, I am trying to list news items in a collaboration system. Some of the news items have attachments, PDFs and Word files. The default USS looks like the best template to use, but I don't know what USS is - I can guess that it is something like User Syndicated Submission or something, but when I saw the Traditional with Thumbnails template - what it looks like, I thought that would be a better 
19:31 < perlDreamer> USS is the OLD User Submission System.  It was replaced with the Collaboration System duing the 6.x series.
19:32 < carogray> there is a template called Default USS in the Collaboration System
19:32 < carogray> I am using 7.4.40
19:34 < perlDreamer> they must have decided not to rename the template
19:34 <+perlmonkey2> $params->{taxRate} = $form->get('taxRate', 'integer');
19:34 <+perlmonkey2> because I'm lazy, the correct type should be 'float'?
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19:35 <+perlmonkey2> I mean, I know it should be a float.  But I'm looking for the keyword there.
19:35 < perlDreamer> float it is
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19:36 < perlDreamer> nice catch, pm2
19:36  * perlmonkey2 bounces to test, yay for bug stomping.
19:36 <+perlmonkey2> not my catch.  Was just in the bugzilla.
19:37 < perlDreamer> Cannot paginate in the shop is a duplicate of an earlier bug.
19:38 <+perlmonkey2> isn't that like the 3rd dup? :P
19:38 < perlDreamer> probably
19:38 < perlDreamer> But if you fix that bug, I would really like to know how it was fixed.
19:38 < perlDreamer> It's cookie cutter code from the YUI examples and I'd like to know what I did to mess it up.
19:41 <+perlmonkey2> okay, I'll look into it.  I played with pagination from the survey and often their examples don't carry over well to new instances.
19:41 <+perlmonkey2> but it appears that wasn't the only place for integer tax numbres.  5.5 is now 55
19:42 <+perlmonkey2> oh, the field has JS making it an integer.
19:43 < perlDreamer> line 579 should be $addForm->float
19:44 < perlDreamer> I should have done more extensive UI testing
19:45 <+perlmonkey2> ahah, I was looking through the embedded html :P  BTB, is that the new standard?  Embedding html in the code?
19:45 < perlDreamer> No, that's how forms are usually generated in wG.  via WebGUI::HTMLForm or WebGUI::TabForm
19:46 <+perlmonkey2> okay, I've never submitted to the main tree.  just check it in with the comment for the bug fix to the main branch?
19:47 < perlDreamer> and update docs/chanagelog/7.x.x.txt
19:47 < perlDreamer> and any gotchas in docs/gotchas.txt
19:47 < perlDreamer> and I like to say how I fixed the bug in the bug itself, but no one else does that.
19:47 < topsub> it seems /data/Webgui/sbin/userImport.pl has a syntax error by default? anyone confirm or is it just my copy. Webgui 7.5.15
19:47 < topsub> just tried to compile it and it failed
19:48 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: cool thanks.  I'll highlight the fixes in the bug itself also.
19:48 < dionak> my userImport.pl reports "Global symbol "$cmd" requires explicit package name at userImport.pl line 169."
19:48 < perlDreamer> mine, too
19:49 < perlDreamer> do you want to patch it?  Or do you want me to?
19:49 < dionak> i'll do it
19:49 < perlDreamer> topsub, please register this as a bug so that others know about the problem.
19:49 < dionak> keep squashing bugs. 
19:50 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: gotchas should be something like 7.5.16 and before, Tax can only be an integer?
19:50 < perlDreamer> no
19:50 < perlDreamer> gotchas are big things
19:50 < perlDreamer> breakage, major changes, new module requirements
19:51 <+perlmonkey2> oh, I thought you were implying that this should go in the gotchas.  you meant only bugs that really break things.
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19:52 < perlDreamer> Yes.  I'll stop being so terse in my responses.
19:53 < perlDreamer> dionak, that bug was added in rev 6628, for reference.
19:53 < dionak> perlDreamer: I fixed it and committed. anything else i need to do?
19:54 < perlDreamer> Nope
19:54 < dionak> cool. thanks. 
19:54 < perlDreamer> oh, wait.
19:54 < perlDreamer> Please close the bug if topsub posts it.
19:55 < dionak> i'm guessing i do that by posting that i fixed it. 
19:55 < perlDreamer> Yes.  There's a Close radio button at the bottom of the Post form, right next to Subscribe.
19:55 <+perlmonkey2> doesn't look like I have the ci bit for the main trunk.  'perlmonkey2' and all the pwds I would have used.
19:55 < perlDreamer> weird
19:56 < perlDreamer> well, please do this then
19:56 < perlDreamer> in the changelog, not that  _you_ did it by adding name and/or company affiliation to the end of the bug fixed message.
19:56 < perlDreamer> It's a nice kudo
19:56 < perlDreamer> then email me the patch and I'll apply it.
19:57 < dionak> perlDreamer: i must be blind. I see subscribe but no 'close' radio button. Maybe i don't have permission? 
19:57 < dionak> http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/userimport-syntax-error
19:58 < perlDreamer> I'll do it.  You might want to email JT to ask for bug closing permission.
19:59 < perlDreamer> perlmonkey2: Can _you_ close bugs?
19:59 <+perlmonkey2> I see no option to close a bug
20:00 < perlDreamer> Okay, until you all get permission, I'll help out by closing bugs.
20:00 < perlDreamer> $dayJob finally got busy, in a big way.
20:00 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: rather than email you the fix, I'll give you the line numbers to change.  579 413
20:00 <+perlmonkey2> or just /integer
20:00 < perlDreamer> okay, how do you want your name in the changelog?
20:00 <+perlmonkey2> I don't care.
20:00 <+perlmonkey2> just here to stomp on bugs
20:01 <+perlmonkey2> my claim to fame is in how bad I suck.
20:01 < perlDreamer> How can you suck when you're fixing _my_ bugs? ;)
20:01 <+perlmonkey2> ha
20:03 < perlDreamer> Referring to the WebGUI Codex, chapter 3, subsection 3-4, you may only suck if you fix your own bugs
20:03 < perlDreamer> or if rizen says so
20:09 <+perlmonkey2> hah!
20:09  * perlDreamer leafs through the Codex some more
20:10 < perlDreamer> there appear to be lots of those "unless rizen says so" exclusions in there.
20:11 <+perlmonkey2> dictator for life :P
20:12 <+perlmonkey2> Does Larry Wall have a codex?
20:12 < perlDreamer> No, there are only two perl rules.
20:12 < perlDreamer> 1) Larry is always right.
20:12 < perlDreamer> 2) When confused, please refer to rule 1
20:13 < perlDreamer> that's a paraphrase
20:13 < perlDreamer> and Larry rarely uses his supreme override power
20:13 <+perlmonkey2> hah, I'd forgotten that one
20:16 < perlDreamer> sometimes I think people overlook his greatest contribution to perl
20:19 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: the community he's created?
20:19 < CIA-6> WebGUI: dionak * r6980 /WebGUI/sbin/userImport.pl: Fixing compilation error. is no longer used
20:19 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r6981 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Shop/Tax.pm): in Shop/Tax, make taxes floating point numbers instead of integers
20:19 < perlDreamer> awesome, topically correct tolkien quotes in the source code
20:20 <+perlmonkey2> which file/line?
20:20 < dionak> oh, guess i can't use dollar signs in commits. :)
20:21 < perlDreamer> really?
20:32 < serif> Hey, does anyone know of a way to disable caching on a per-asset basis? I seem to recall doing this in earlier versions; I'm on 7.5.15.
20:34 < serif> Specifically, I have navigation that uses page.isCurrent to change the style of the current nav item, so it is important that this updates every time the page loads.
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20:39 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: you set the pagination for each page to have 25 results?
20:39 < perlDreamer> in Shop/Tax www_manage?  I think so.
20:39 <+perlmonkey2> If so, that is probably the bug the submitter refers to.  And I wouldn't call it a bug.
20:39 <+perlmonkey2> I'm slowly entering taxes to hit 25 nad make sure it works.
20:40 < perlDreamer> perlmonkey2, in /data/WebGUI/t/supporting_collateral/taxTables/bigTaxTable.csv is a whole bunch of tax data
20:40 < perlDreamer> it will save you some typing
20:40 <+perlmonkey2> hah, doh
20:41 < perlDreamer> on FF on my FC8 box, neither pagination nor column sorting worked.
20:41 <+perlmonkey2> hmm, for taxes I see save save "entry field" browse
20:41 < perlDreamer> haven't check on FC9
20:41 <+perlmonkey2> should one of those save's be import?
20:41 < perlDreamer> sure
20:41 <+perlmonkey2> the left or right?
20:42 <+perlmonkey2> I guess right
20:42 < perlDreamer> well, wait a sec
20:42 < perlDreamer> if that's from Form/File, you may not be able to change it
20:44 <+perlmonkey2> just finished manually entering
20:44 <+perlmonkey2> does not work for FF3.
20:44 <+perlmonkey2> I'll try another browser
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20:44 <+perlmonkey2> nope, no joy in Ephyphany
20:45 <+perlmonkey2> I'll fire up firebug and see what's up.
20:45 < perlDreamer> I hear that it works on Safari
20:45 <+perlmonkey2> you wrote this?  If so what did you dev it on?
20:46 < perlDreamer> Well, after spending 5 days on trying to make it work rizen and I decided that we'd just leave it as it is, since it basically worked but didn't
20:46 < perlDreamer> have all the bells and whistles.
20:47 <+perlmonkey2> worked as long as there were fewer than 26 entries?
20:47  * perlDreamer is shamed
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20:47 <+perlmonkey2> hahahaha
20:48  * perlmonkey2 is shamed too when he writes an incredible piece of software that has a small bug.  How dare he have a small bug.
20:48 < perlDreamer> Ironically, I had set aside Q1 to learn javascript.  But then Shop came along, and there was great perl to be written...
20:49 <+perlmonkey2> Q1?
20:49 < perlDreamer> January-March
20:49 <+perlmonkey2> oh
20:49 <+perlmonkey2> hmm, I don't think I like this embedded html and js.  Every code change will require a bounce of mod_
20:49 < perlDreamer> how would you do it?
20:50 <+perlmonkey2> js was in the /extra for dev and the plan was to make it a snippet on release.
20:51 <+perlmonkey2> www/extras/wobject
20:51 <+perlmonkey2> but I'm just a newguy...
20:52 < perlDreamer> No, you must have talked it through with JT.  and he was okay with it?
20:52 < perlDreamer> how do you feed variables from the perl side to the JS side?
20:52 < perlDreamer> that almost sounds like it needs to be a template
20:52 < perlDreamer> because this isn't templated
20:53 <+perlmonkey2> perl to JS via JSON
20:53 < perlDreamer> um, close to what I was talking about.
20:53 < perlDreamer> You'll see there's some concats and sprintf's in there
20:53 < perlDreamer> so that the JS has perl data in it
20:54 < perlDreamer> i.e. line 601
20:55 <+perlmonkey2> the way I did it was the parts of the survey were templates which included the JS.  When things were viewed data objects were created for the template, and then a data object was sent back from the js which made a init call upon startup.
20:55 <+perlmonkey2> yeah, that would make the js init much easier.
20:55 <+perlmonkey2> where for what I did, when the JS init'd, it had to make a call to get start up data.
20:56 < perlDreamer> yeah
20:56 <+perlmonkey2> for things like drawing YUI widgets and what not.  Although I guess I could have hidden that in HTML.
21:05 <+perlmonkey2> hmm, success and failure handlers are neither being called from the pagination request.
21:06 <+perlmonkey2> I guess I'll look at the logs to see if the server is being hit.
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21:37 < perlDreamer> "Large FOSS projects take note: Not only can you no longer assume that users will accept change. You may need to learn to live with the fact that many users will actively resist it, and will respond to it in the most adversarial way possible. Ignore that possibility, and you may find your project mired in the same morass in which KDE now finds itself."
21:37 < perlDreamer> from http://www.linux.com/feature/141917
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22:06 < elnino> hi.. where exactly is the wuc conference? is it at the concourse hotel?
22:12 < perlDreamer> yup
22:14 < elnino> ok.. Thanks. I'm looking at the Extended Stay Deluxe Madison - West. Are there any bad neighborhoods that I need to avoid?
22:18 < perlDreamer> I don't know, elnino.  I would post that on the forum.
22:19 < elnino> ok.. Thanks. Have a great day.  And whoever suggested running search.pl to reindex my site to fix my search - it worked like a champ.  Thanks!
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22:26 <+perlmonkey2> Poor KDE.  Change is required, but the fanatics against change all seem to use KDE.
22:27 < perlDreamer> spoken like a true Gnome user?
22:29 <+perlmonkey2> what can I say :P
22:31 <+perlmonkey2> Although I've never written anything in qt, so maybe kde is more fun to write for.
22:31 < perlDreamer> I haven't written C in a very, very long time
22:31 < perlDreamer> about 5 years, when I worked on the gnupic tools
22:32 < perlDreamer> then, before that, it would have been around 1998, when I worked on perl
22:38 <+perlmonkey2> The last time I worked with C was maybe 5 years ago when I wrote for the Palm.
22:38 <+perlmonkey2> That job sucked.
22:38 < perlDreamer> you got paid to hack on the palm?
22:39 <+perlmonkey2> yeah
22:39 <+perlmonkey2> had a whole slew of commerical apps and custom apps 
22:39 <+perlmonkey2> I wrote the inventory tracking system for the city of Tulsa HUD.
22:40 <+perlmonkey2> or at least the graft onto their existing system so they could use their palm scanners
22:41 <+perlmonkey2> SQLServer mirroring their old ibm db's.  Then the Palms would upload scanned data and location wirelessly.
22:41 <+perlmonkey2> Cool concept, sucked doing in C.
23:00 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: did you have any idea why pagination wasn't working?  I think I've found a silent failure before the request is even made.
23:01 < perlDreamer> perlmonkey2, I'm a JS newb.
23:01 < perlDreamer> no clues whatsoever
23:02 <+perlmonkey2> the failure is in here: //            sorting: {
23:02 <+perlmonkey2> //                key: sortedBy.key,
23:02 <+perlmonkey2> //                dir: ((sortedBy.dir === YAHOO.widget.DataTable.CLASS_DESC) ? "desc" : "asc")
23:02 <+perlmonkey2> //            },
23:02 <+perlmonkey2> as I spam the channel, whups
23:03 <+perlmonkey2> is there another channel for WG devs, or do they work quietly all day long, never talking to anyone else?
23:04 < perlDreamer> the PB crew is in WUC practice
23:04 < perlDreamer> it's just us devs
23:05 <+perlmonkey2> sortedBy is null
23:06 <+perlmonkey2> var sortedBy  = dt.get('sortedBy'); 
23:06 <+perlmonkey2> that is your white whale.
23:06 <+perlmonkey2> and lovely JS dieing silently like normal.
23:09 <+perlmonkey2> perhaps a check of defined and assignment of defaults?
23:09 <+perlmonkey2> you appear to do it earlier.
23:10 <+perlmonkey2> but I still haven't grokked the code yet.
23:11 < perlDreamer> it's all just YUI glue
23:12 <+perlmonkey2> if sortedBy is null, then calling sortdeBy.key will die I think.
23:13 <+perlmonkey2> is sorting done server side?
23:13 < perlDreamer> I would like that, yes
23:13 < perlDreamer> that way as you paginate you don't lose your sorting
23:13 < perlDreamer> and that was what I was trying to do
23:14 <+perlmonkey2> okay, after I figure out what .dir does and which one of your methods is the json call handler, this should be a simple fix.
23:15 <+perlmonkey2> ah, dir is short for direction
23:15 <+perlmonkey2> duh
23:16 < perlDreamer> the code worked fine for pagination, then I tried to extend it for sorting and that's when everything broke.
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23:16 <+perlmonkey2> yeah, can't call members of null without silent death.
23:17 <+perlmonkey2> what a stupid thing for JS to do though.l
23:18 < perlDreamer> If only they'd gotten perl5 onto the browser
23:21 < perlDreamer> meeting time, be back in an hour
23:28 <+perlmonkey2> okay, fixed the bug
23:28 <+perlmonkey2> but sorting doesn't work.  Did it ever?
23:28 <+perlmonkey2> at least you can paginate now.
23:29 <+perlmonkey2> hmm, probably on the Perl side.  Need to figure out which sub handles that.
23:30 <+perlmonkey2> man, I'm on a roll.  manage would be the sub
23:30 <+perlmonkey2> duh
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23:42 < dionak> are you working on the admin console or the shopping cart?
23:45 <+perlmonkey2> are you talking to me?
23:45 <+perlmonkey2> the shop, specifically tax.pm
23:45 <+perlmonkey2> I just fixed pagination, but sorting is broken
23:45 <+perlmonkey2> not sure if it worked before I started playing.
23:46 <+perlmonkey2> can someone test?
23:46 < dionak> cool, just curious
23:47 < dionak> how do you guys collaborate on development. sometimes when i update from svn it borks my installation. is there a process to it?
23:47 < dionak> like run database updates?
23:47 < dionak> i would be happy to test otherwise
23:48 <+perlmonkey2> I think there might be some standard process shared by a few elites.  I might even had heard it once, but I don't recall.  I simply manually rotate soft links to WebGUI and backup my db and then create a new db instance.
23:48 <+perlmonkey2> use the wre to quickly create a new test instance.
23:49 <+perlmonkey2> as for testing, just click on shop and then taxes and then add two taxes and try to sort them.
23:49 <+perlmonkey2> admin-console->Shop then on the far right click Taxes
23:50 <+perlmonkey2> if I was truly lazy, I'd write a simple GUI to do all this.
23:51 <+perlmonkey2> all the switching around I mean.
23:53 < dionak> i have my WebGUI dir symlinked to the WebGUI svn checkout right now
23:53 <+perlmonkey2> hmm, that is a sexy idea.  A GUI to wrap a lot of what WRE does, but also switch around active instances of WebGUI and the database. 
23:53 < dionak> i like to see what's going on...
23:54 <+perlmonkey2> well if I was smart enough to figure out what perlDreamer had done for sorting, I'd have a new update for your svn instance :P
23:54 < dionak> so where do you want me to go test then if it's not in svn?
23:55 <+perlmonkey2> no, svn is fine.
23:55 <+perlmonkey2> that instance is the best to test.
23:55 < dionak> k
23:57 <+perlmonkey2> hah, thank you firebug.  manage isn't being called, but getTaxesAsJSON.  Not I can figure out what's up.
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23:58 < dionak> trying to sort by city, no luck
23:59 < dionak> no errors
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00:01 <+perlmonkey2> okay, that is what I thought.
00:01 <+perlmonkey2> thanks
00:01 < dionak> yw
00:05 < dionak> what's the url params to view cart? 
00:10 <+perlmonkey2> I'm completely unfamiliar with Shop
00:11 <+perlmonkey2> well, I guess I know about Tax now :P
00:11 <+perlmonkey2> Sorting woudl work now except some strange SQL problem.
00:11 <+perlmonkey2> the order by ? ? is being ignored.
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00:24 <+perlmonkey2> bah, the problem has to do with placeholders for the sort by
00:26 < perlDreamer> the placeholders?
00:26 < perlDreamer> no way!
00:30 < perlDreamer> svn blame never lies
00:31 <+perlmonkey2> Oh, no blame from me.  I cna't make it work.
00:31 <+perlmonkey2> if I hard code the sort, it works.
00:32 <+perlmonkey2> if I use ? it doesn't.
00:32 < perlDreamer> no, someone modifed that code after I wrote it
00:34 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: quick question, wouldn't these two lines be the same?  $results{'records'}      = \@records;
00:34 <+perlmonkey2> #    $results{'totalRecords'} = $db->quickScalar('select found_rows()')+0;
00:34 <+perlmonkey2> whups, I mean  $results{'totalRecords'} = scalar @records; 
00:34 <+perlmonkey2> then you don't need SQL_CALC_FOUND_ROWS?
00:35 <+perlmonkey2> not that it matters, as that wasn't the issue.
00:35 < perlDreamer> perlmonkey2: line 1 stores an array ref
00:35 <+perlmonkey2> I thought maybe that was interferring with the sort.
00:35 < perlDreamer> line 2 stores a scalar
00:35 <+perlmonkey2> right, I mean line 2 and 3
00:35 <+perlmonkey2> forget 2
00:35 <+perlmonkey2> I mean 1
00:35 < perlDreamer> yes, I think they'd be equivalent
00:36 <+perlmonkey2> this is driving me batty not being able to sort.
00:36 <+perlmonkey2> pagination and sorting is |-| close from working.
00:36 < perlDreamer> try spending a week on it :)
00:36 <+perlmonkey2> hah
00:36 <+perlmonkey2> well pagination works now.
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00:36 < perlDreamer> hey, Haarg!
00:36 <+perlmonkey2> is that a pirate name?
00:37 <+perlmonkey2> If not, it should be.
00:38 <@Haarg> it could be.  i don't actually remember where it came from.
00:39 < lisette> i can create a new variable for the templates?
00:39 < lisette> if yes, how to do this?
00:40 < perlDreamer> you have to alter the source code for the code that uses that module
00:42 < lisette> and if i want to build a new template what i must do?
00:43 < perlDreamer> most people start by copying an existing template, in the Asset Manager
00:45 <+perlmonkey2> order by ? ? doens't work but order by country asc works.
00:46 <+perlmonkey2> I've tried a single placeholder with country and asc concatted.
00:46 < perlDreamer> pm2, how about an interim check-in?  I'll try to get some time to peek at it myself to help
00:46 <+perlmonkey2> oh, okay
00:46 <+perlmonkey2> if I have the bit
00:46 < lisette> but if i do a new template don't need install after?
00:46 <+perlmonkey2> if not I'll post it at pastebin
00:46  * perlDreamer reminds himself, again, to learn git
00:47 < perlDreamer> lisette, no. You only need to install if you want to take it to another WebGUI website.
00:47 < perlDreamer> In that case, you make a package out of the template.
00:49 <+perlmonkey2> this is a new one: svn: Your file or directory 'Tax.pm' is probably out-of-date
00:49 <+perlmonkey2> svn: The version resource does not correspond to the resource within the transaction.  Either the requested version resource is out of date (needs to be updated), or the requested version resource is newer than the transaction root (restart the commit).
00:50 < lisette> mmm thanks, perlDreamer.
00:50 < perlDreamer> perlmonkey2: svn up
00:50 <+perlmonkey2> G?
00:50 <+perlmonkey2> what does the G mean for update?
00:50 < perlDreamer> Non-clashing update
00:50 < perlDreamer> Like a C but no action required
00:51 < perlDreamer> in a C, you have to resolve the conflict
00:51 <+perlmonkey2> okay, ci'd
00:52 < perlDreamer> updating
00:53 <+perlmonkey2> there are two debug statements commented out that need to be removed.  whups.
00:53 < perlDreamer> not a problem
00:53 < perlDreamer> might want to watch the tabs, though
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00:54 <+perlmonkey2> but line 464 is the problem
00:54 <+perlmonkey2> arg....forgot I was workign on my server which doesn't have the .vim updated
00:54 <+perlmonkey2> I'll fix that :P
00:55 <+perlmonkey2> Oh wait, I did.  tabstop=4 shiftwidth=4 expandtab?
00:55 <+perlmonkey2> that not right?
00:55 < perlDreamer> line 469?
00:55 <+perlmonkey2> :464 I mean
00:55 <+perlmonkey2> that holds the key
00:55 <+perlmonkey2> oh, and if you resort while on a different page, you go back to the first page.
00:56 <+perlmonkey2> but the order by on 464 doesn't work.
00:58 < perlDreamer> from perldoc DBI: "With most drivers, placeholders can't be used for any element of a statement that would prevent the database server from vali-
00:58 < perlDreamer>        dating the statement and creating a query execution plan for it. For example:"
00:58 < perlDreamer> that may explain the sorting right there
00:59 <+perlmonkey2> oh...do we "have" to use placeholders here?  I mean it is dangerous not to, but if they were seperatly validated?
00:59 < perlDreamer> I thought it would be convenient to use them there
00:59 <+perlmonkey2> check to make sure $dir is either /asc|desc/
00:59 <+perlmonkey2> well and much safer since this is a client side string.
00:59 <+perlmonkey2> easily altered.
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01:00 <+perlmonkey2> and validate that key is in the list.
01:00 <+perlmonkey2> easily enough fixed?
01:00 < perlDreamer> $sql .= sprintf ' order by ? %s limit ?,?', $sortDir;
01:00 < perlDreamer> and then removing $sortdir from the placeholders
01:00 < perlDreamer> and probably a little more clean-up
01:01 <+perlmonkey2> well, but that doesn't remove the danger from client side string.
01:01 <+perlmonkey2> they need validation
01:01 <+perlmonkey2> oh wait
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01:01 <@khenn> good evening!
01:01 <+perlmonkey2> " asc';delete * form users;'
01:01 <+perlmonkey2> "
01:01 < perlDreamer> No, that would require a little prevalidation
01:02 < perlDreamer> up on 456
01:02 <+perlmonkey2> hell khenn
01:02 <@khenn> hell?
01:02 <@khenn> =)
01:02 <+perlmonkey2> yes, 455 and 456 would need to be validated if we don't use placeholders which we can't.
01:02 <+perlmonkey2> khenn: hah, doh.   Typo.
01:02 <+perlmonkey2> I meant "Howdy doody, wha'ts going on?"
01:03 <@khenn> Anyone not attending the WUC this year is going to be missing out!
01:03 <+perlmonkey2> coke off our hooker's rear ends?
01:03 <+perlmonkey2> s/our/of/
01:03 <+perlmonkey2> or the WG equivalent?
01:04 <@khenn> it's not in Vegas
01:04 <+perlmonkey2> I guess the WUC dry run went really well?
01:04 < perlDreamer> It can't have gone too well, MrHairgrease wasn't there
01:04 <@khenn> JT says definitely on the hookers
01:05 <+perlmonkey2> hah!
01:08 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: are you fixing the sort or should I?
01:08 <+perlmonkey2> I just got it working but I didn't purify the params.  Also I guess we should figure out why you can't sort on the first pag.e
01:08 < perlDreamer> perlDreamer had to go study the effect of bond wire inductance on ringing durnig transient gate driver simulations.
01:09 <+perlmonkey2> hah
01:09 < perlDreamer> It's not too bad, only about 2%
01:10 <+perlmonkey2> hmm, I would have thought it at least 6%
01:10 < perlDreamer> No, it's only about 3 nH and the HVPMOS'es isolate pretty well.
01:11 < perlDreamer> It really just smeared the transient response and caused a little more propagation delay.
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01:14 < perlDreamer> perlmonkey2: Maybe tonight I'll build some tests for buildSearchQuery and find out what can be place held and what can't.
01:15 <+perlmonkey2> sounds like fun
01:15 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: too ugly for you?  my $sortKey         = $goodKeys{$form->get('sortKey')} ? $form->get('sortKey') : 'country';
01:16 < perlDreamer> I don't think perl will optimize out the form->get calls, so it's better to stick them in a variable
01:16 <+perlmonkey2> okay
01:16 < perlDreamer> aside from that, hash lookups rock
01:17 < perlDreamer> but for dir I'd just do a lc($sortDir) eq 'asc' ? 'asc' : 'desc'
01:18 <+perlmonkey2> oy, smart
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01:18 < perlDreamer> in perl6, we'll just do an any comparison
01:18 < lisette> what is sku?
01:18 < perlDreamer> Sku is the base class for all things that can be bought
01:18 < perlDreamer> It is an Asset
01:19 < perlDreamer> Sku is also an abbreviation for "Shop Keeping Unit"
01:19 < perlDreamer> a unique identifier for products, which can vary from store to store but is the same for any product variant in a store
01:19 <+perlmonkey2> okay sorting is working and purified.  Now to just figure out why the initial datatable won't wort.
01:19 < perlDreamer> perlmonkey2: with no data?
01:19 < lisette> thanks
01:19 < perlDreamer> or sorting on page 1?
01:19 <+perlmonkey2> sorting page 1
01:19 <+perlmonkey2> I mean
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01:20 < perlDreamer> lisette: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sku
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01:20 < perlDreamer> there should be a spanish translation for that, too
01:20 < lisette> "Stock Keeping Unit"?
01:21 < lisette> or shop
01:21 < perlDreamer> Stock
01:25 < CIA-6> WebGUI: translation * r6982 /translations/Spanish/Spanish/ (5 files): Update from translation server
01:25 < CIA-6> WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r6983 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Shop/Tax.pm: Fixed pagination in Tax, sorting still broken
01:25 < CIA-6> WebGUI: translation * r6984 /translations/Spanish/Spanish/ShipDriver.pm: Update from translation server
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01:25 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r6986 /WebGUI/sbin/userImport.pl: userImport.pl script was broken
01:25 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r6987 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm: only generate toolbars in admin mode
01:26 < perlDreamer> sorry about that, Haarg.  It's the redneck 2X4 solution to dirty windows.
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01:30 <+perlmonkey2> oh, page sorting is supposed to go back to the first page.
01:31 < perlDreamer> it is?
01:31 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: I'm sure glad you comment stuff
01:31 < perlDreamer> well, that's good then
01:31 <+perlmonkey2> pagination : { // Pagination values
01:31 <+perlmonkey2>     737                 recordOffset: 0, // Default to first page when sorting
01:31 <+perlmonkey2> just need to test that sorting carries over to next page (no reason it shouldn't) and one bug stomped.
01:31 < perlDreamer> yeah, I write crappy JS and bad placeholders, but my comments really shine :)
01:33 <+perlmonkey2> oh no.  the sorter is flipping the sort order.  
01:34 <+perlmonkey2> actually just clicking on page 2 flips the sort order.
01:35 <+perlmonkey2> and your code isn't crappy.  It is actually very nice to look at.  Although This mixing of JS and Perl in the same file is .... disturbing **shudder**.
01:35 < perlDreamer> You've got chocolate in my peanut butter!
01:35 <+perlmonkey2> EXACTLY!
01:36 <+perlmonkey2> and you either have syntax highlighting for penut butter or chocolate, but not both!
01:36 < perlDreamer> while I was writing it, I actually thought about building a YUI data table helper module for wG.
01:36 < perlDreamer> to encapsulate it so well that you could just instance one, configure it, and it would hide all that
01:37 <+perlmonkey2> that would be cool.  Although perhaps wait until it isn't YUI beta anymore.
01:43 <+perlmonkey2> ah, when you paginate, the sort key stays teh same, thus it gets flipped.
01:43 <+perlmonkey2> a theory easily tested
01:44 <+perlmonkey2> no, that isn't happening.
01:44 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: you give up for th enight?
01:44 < perlDreamer> no, more $dayJob
01:44 < perlDreamer> I'm good for theorizing, but not much beyond that.
01:44 <+perlmonkey2> okay, I'll leave you alone for $work then.
01:45 < perlDreamer> no no, please keep talking
01:45 < perlDreamer> did you mean sort dir above?  Is the default backwards?
01:45 < perlDreamer> Like assuming ASC instead of DESC?
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02:10 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: There wasn't a default (I think) which is why you can't sort on the first page.  I added a default, but that doesn't solve the problem.  
02:11 <+perlmonkey2> The funcationality I'm seeing is that the first results will be the results seen on page 2.  Which is wrong, it should be the last results you havne't seen yet.  And I'm outputting the JS sort dir type and it starts as 'asc' and then goes to a 'yui-dt'asc/desc' tpe.
02:11 <+perlmonkey2> or value I mean.
02:22 <+perlmonkey2> I wonder why the identity oeprator is being used here.
02:22 < perlDreamer> identity operator?
02:23 <+perlmonkey2> ===
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02:23 <+perlmonkey2> it is messing with my head
02:25 < perlDreamer> I'm heading home.  I'll be working on $dayJob tonight with the hope that I'll have more free time tomorrow.
02:25 < perlDreamer> later
02:25 <+perlmonkey2> have a good one
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03:03 < CIA-6> WebGUI: yung * r6993 /WebGUI/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: Thing list drop down broken when multiple thingy's on one page
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03:35 < elnino> hi..  My CS threads are not archiving.I see the workflows in the scheduler for daily and weekly. Is there something else I should be looking at?
03:45 < patspam> perlmonkey2: that's great news that Survey2 is finished except for the JSON rewrite
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05:18 < metanil> i am migrating my webgui to next machine. the current version is 7.4.17-stable.. How hard would it be to upgrade to 7.5.16-beta or 7.4.40-stable? (Please note that i have already made major changes to existing code)
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06:58 <+perlmonkey2> patspam: What timezone are you in?  I ask because I wonder if I can send you the information tomorrow morning.
07:01 < patspam> I'm in AEST (it's currently 2pm)
07:01 < patspam> that's cool, just send me the info when you have time
07:08 <+perlmonkey2> patspam: okay will do.  I posted the db files in the forum.  I'll have to dig up the templates later from $work as I accidently blew them away on my home server.
07:09 < patspam> heh ok, thanks a lot
07:10 < patspam> can't wait to check it out
07:10 < patspam> btw, what time zone are you in?
07:14 <+perlmonkey2> US central
07:14 <+perlmonkey2> 11:14pm
07:14 < perlDreamer> perlmonkey2 is actually perlNiteOwl3
07:15 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: the sorting issue is sorting me out.
07:15 < perlDreamer> Can you commit?
07:15 < perlDreamer> I'm in the middle of documenting a NAND tree
07:15 <+perlmonkey2> oh, I've improved nothing.  There is a commit with the pagination working.
07:15 < perlDreamer> I'll send you the paper when I'm done, it's an interesting read.
07:15 <+perlmonkey2> nand as in not and :P
07:16 < perlDreamer> Yes.
07:16 < perlDreamer> It's easier to build negative logic (NAND, NOR) in silicon than it is true logic (AND, OR)
07:16 <+perlmonkey2> ic
07:21 < perlDreamer> sorry, for the next few days if I don't live and breathe silicon, I won't get to go to OSCON.
07:21 <+perlmonkey2> completely understood.
07:21 <+perlmonkey2> $work pays $bills
07:22 <+perlmonkey2> I just ci'd a few improvements to Tax sorting, but it still isn't working right.
07:23 < perlDreamer> I'll have a go at it, maybe later. Maybe tomorrow.
07:23 <+perlmonkey2> no worries.  I'm |-| close form resolving it.
07:25 < perlDreamer> 7 bits is very close
07:29 <+perlmonkey2> I knew something was fishy about those identity operators.  Looks like they might be the problem.
07:29 < metanil> i saw whole bunch of entry for same assetid in 'template' table... is it normal? (Is it maintaining the different versions?)
07:29 < perlDreamer> === is bad?
07:30 < perlDreamer> metanil, that's it exactly.  Different version
07:30 < perlDreamer> indexed by the revisionDate field
07:30 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: === is bad when we get the string and the special YUI types mixed in together.
07:30 < metanil> any limit?
07:30 <+perlmonkey2> string 'asc' is not === YUI::ASC
07:31 < metanil> the higest i can get is 99 records for same assetId.. is that the limit?
07:31 < perlDreamer> No
07:31 < perlDreamer> you can keep making revisions until the cows come home
07:31 < metanil> then no limit.. its keep going on.
07:31 < perlDreamer> or you run out of disk space
07:31 < metanil> :)
07:33 <+perlmonkey2> I bet if I replaced all instances of 'desc' with 'yui-dt-desc' it might work.
07:33 <+perlmonkey2> hm
07:33  * perlmonkey2 is thinking out loud to the detriment of the channel.
07:33 < perlDreamer> and teaching me quite a bit
07:35 <+perlmonkey2> hah, teaching you how a blithering monkey debugs.
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07:36 < perlDreamer> I never would have thought about object overloading and ===
07:36 < perlDreamer> perl often makes that useless
07:36 < perlDreamer> but I guess in JS it matters
07:36 <+perlmonkey2> $results{'sort'}         = undef;
07:49 <+perlmonkey2> arg, the direction is completely whacked.  I'll do something more methodical tomorrow.  g'night all
08:01 < perlDreamer> good night, perlmonkey2
08:05 < perlDreamer> Actually, that's a good idea
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14:52 < CIA-6> WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r6994 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Shop/Tax.pm: Some improvements to Tax.pm sorting, but it is still borked.
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16:41 < SDuensin> Greetings.
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17:02 < dionak> how do i change the style template for the cart?
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17:05 < dionak> where is rizen anyways? 
17:05 < dionak> did someone let him go on vacation or something?
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17:06 < Marduck> Hello all
17:06 < dionak> hey
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17:12 < topsub> hi
17:15 < kurios63> hi Top
17:20 < kurios63> Anyone know how to change the Returnlink after using Invite a Friend?
17:20 < kurios63> it goes back to the Invite a Friend page but i wan't it to link to the homepage
17:25 < kurios63> I am new here b.t.w. I hope this is the right place to ask a question like this?
17:25 < dionak> it is
17:26 < kurios63> nice
17:26 < dionak> it just may be that no one online is familiar with the feature. do you know what class it uses?
17:27 < kurios63> well, i have the template for Invite a Friend, but the code thats generated after hitting Save is not generated from the the template it seems
17:28 < dionak> what is the class of the asset it posts to?
17:28 < kurios63> hmm, lets see
17:30 < kurios63> I am not i understand what you mean.
17:32 < kurios63> I am not *sure, sorry typo
17:32 < dionak> no worries. it looks like it's coded to go back to the last page they were on..
17:33 < dionak> i know it doesn't help you now but you may want to submit an RFE
17:33 < dionak> do you know how to do that?
17:34 < kurios63> No, can you explain it to me?
17:34 < dionak> go to webgui.org and click on 'Request Features' in the left nav
17:34 < dionak> add a new topic with your request...
17:36 < kurios63> Thank you for the info. I will check it out.
17:36 < dionak> very welcome
17:45 < kurios63> Posted the request
17:46 < dionak> do you write perl?
17:46 < dionak> or macros?
17:47 < dionak> just thinking it could be creatively hacked...but it would take some creative work
17:47 < dionak> like a macro to update the session
17:50 < kurios63> I am a webdeveloper but not a coder. No idea how to write macro's or Perl. Maybe someone picks up the request
17:51 < kurios63> i have to go afk Dionak, back to work :)
17:51 < dionak> k, have a good one
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18:53 <+perlmonkey2> hidey ho, everyone!
19:00 <+perlmonkey2> Why does svn log not show any recent updates?  
19:00 <+perlmonkey2> seemed like a lot of stuff happened yesterday, but 7.16 isn't in there.
19:02 <+perlmonkey2> weird, now I see today.
19:02 <+perlmonkey2> oh....log must only pull from the last update.
19:02 <+perlmonkey2> kept local I guess.
19:07 < dionak> that's odd. 
19:07 < dionak> i know svn does keep local files but you would think the log, were it local, would be updated upon every update
19:10 <+perlmonkey2> dionak: don't know.  but I only found yesterdays' log entries after I did an update.  But never discount the fact I'm mostly retarded and probably messed it up :P
19:14 < dionak> what were you running log on?
19:14 <+perlmonkey2> dionak: just seeing what my last comment was on Tax.pm
19:14 <+perlmonkey2> making sure I mentioned that only pagination was corrected and sorting was still not.
19:15 <+perlmonkey2> dionak: but the comman was svn --limit 20 log |more :)
19:16 < dionak> my log dates back to 2008-02-15 13:51:02 and the last commit was 2008-07-16 13:00:05 by colin
19:16 < dionak> just did an update
19:16 < dionak> oh, wait..
19:16 < dionak> i see your comment. my log was updated after a svn up so it is kept locally
19:17 < dionak> makes sense. that's one of the values i gathered from the svn developers, to keep things local so you can work off-line
19:19 <+perlmonkey2> Doh, I bet I just guessed what is wrong with sorting.  I bet that both client and server are sorting and reversing each other.
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19:28 <@apeiron> perlbot, how to sound smart
19:28 < dionak> hey pd
19:28 <@apeiron> perlbot, how to seem smart
19:28 < perlbot> <apeiron> "@buzzwords\n";
19:28 < perlDreamer> good morning, dionak
19:32 < lisette> there is any list of the variables of templates? or in the help of my website is all?
19:33 < perlDreamer> that's all, lisette
19:33 < lisette> tk
19:35 < perlDreamer> lisette, is there something that could be done to make it easier to use?
19:37 < lisette> because ... I'm just looking, then I would not know an answer.
19:38 <+perlmonkey2> madre, stupid stupid identity operators.
19:38 < lisette> i try understand how to work and how to use it
19:39 <+perlmonkey2> YUI Dev "I know, lets make it fun to test for BOOL object types, but also strings that are somewhat equivelent, we'll switch back and forth between the two for no reason at all, and have the users of our libraries use the identity operator to sometimes make it work."
19:40 <+perlmonkey2> I'm calling tis fixed by adding a "|| state.sorting.dir == 'desc'" to the previous test of if state.sorting.dir is equal to the YUI object type.
19:40  * perlmonkey2 shoots a YUI dev just to watch him die (in Reno no less).
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19:48  * perlmonkey2 drops the hammer on another bug and watches it squash.  This is a lot more fun than I'd hoped for.
19:51 <+perlmonkey2> http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/cannot-paginate-in-shop should be closed, but I can't close it.
20:02 <+perlmonkey2> are there any dev docs on the EMS2.0?
20:03 < dionak> no, i've gone through this with JT. there's something coming out in a book but nothing besides the code right now
20:04 <+perlmonkey2> dionak: okay, I was going to try to look into the import/export bug, but I have no idea how to enter an event :P
20:04 < dionak> the ems is an event..! haha. 
20:05 < dionak> to setup an ems, you add the wobject, add a badge and then you can purchase the badge
20:05 <+perlmonkey2> oh, I wanted to create a ticket.
20:06 < dionak> how much have you worked with the ems?
20:06 <+perlmonkey2> noen
20:06 <+perlmonkey2> none
20:06 < dionak> ok, i think you have to add a badge to add a ticket
20:07 < dionak> a ticket is for an event inside the main event (think of conferences)
20:07 < dionak> it appears to be geared towards conferences rather than abstract events
20:07 <+perlmonkey2> only ~3,000 lines of code.  How complicated could it be :P
20:08 < dionak> what's the bug?
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20:15 <+perlmonkey2> dionak: import/export don't do anything.
20:16 <+perlmonkey2> well import takes you to the first screen.
20:16 <+perlmonkey2> http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/ems-2_0-ticket-import/export-borked#9rpwTTvF-gKdomHeFsZzqw
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20:20 < dionak> is the export supposed to pull tickets, badges, etc? i tried this the other day and hoped for that result
20:21 < dionak> to be exact, i tried to package and tried to prototype hoping for that result
20:21 < dionak> b/c we have 15 similar events and i wanted to copy one to the other 14 instances
20:22 <+perlmonkey2> Good question.  I was going to look through the code for hints as to what its supposed to do.  I'm wondering if those functionalities aren't in place yet, as they don't look broken so much as not there.
20:22 < dionak> i would agree
20:23 < CIA-6> WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r6995 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Shop Tax pagination now fixed. Pagination had a silent JS death that needed testing for, and sorting....don't ask how sorting was fixed as it involved pentacles, my soul, and a contract.
20:24 <+perlmonkey2> I think that message could have used some more documentation.
20:25 < dionak> funny
20:25 < dionak> you could have included the contract addendums..
21:26 < overdrive3000> hi, first sorry for my bad english... :-P , what version of webgui recomend for a production system ??? 7.4 stable or 7.5 beta ??
21:27 < overdrive3000> is webgui 7.5 really stable for a production system ??
21:36 < perlDreamer> perlmonkey2: do you need a bug closed?
21:39 < perlDreamer> overdrive3000: Plain Black uses it for their website, forums, RSS, email lists, bug tracker, event management and store.
21:39 < perlDreamer> still, if you're risk averse, 7.4.40 is very stable, but it will not have any bug fixes released for it anymore
21:40 < overdrive3000> perlDreamer, Plain Black use webgui 7.5 ?
21:40 < perlDreamer> yup
21:40 < overdrive3000> ok
21:40 < perlDreamer> they use the latest version of WebGUI as soon as it comes out
21:41 < overdrive3000> Im a totally new on WebGui... (sorry for my bad english again)
21:42 < perlDreamer> Your english is fine.  Very understandable
21:42 < perlDreamer> You don't even type with an accent
21:42 < overdrive3000> thanks :)
21:48 < overdrive3000> im a Perl lover... In my work we are choosing a CMS for a site that we are going to implement, I am proposing WebGUI and the other options are Drupal and Plone
21:49 < perlDreamer> I am a volunteer WebGUI dev.  At my regular day job, we use Plone, and it sucks.
21:49 < perlDreamer> It's hard to edit
21:49 < perlDreamer> It takes many clicks to download files
21:49 < perlDreamer> The usability is much worse.
21:53 < perlDreamer> If all of you are perl programmers, using WebGUI is a big strategic advantage because you can extend it if you want.
21:53 < perlDreamer> whereas you'd have to learn PHP or Python to work on Drupal or Plone.
21:55 < overdrive3000> ok, i don't know Plone so well, but I think that is a massive resources consumer
21:57 < overdrive3000> can WebGUI make regular tasks as the news management and downloads management (most downloaded files, etc)?
21:58 < perlDreamer> I'm not sure that I understood that.  You're asking if WebGUI will keep track of the most frequently viewed news items, or the most downloaded files?
21:59 < overdrive3000> both...
21:59 < overdrive3000> like drupal or joomla
21:59 < perlDreamer> most frequently viewed news items, yes.  It does that out of the box.
21:59 < perlDreamer> Most downloaded files, I think that would take some custom coding.
21:59 < overdrive3000> Ok...
22:00 < overdrive3000> well im going to make some test with webgui 7.5, thank you...
22:01 < perlDreamer> you're welcome
22:01 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: Sure.  I'm proud to announce http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/cannot-paginate-in-shop can be completely closed.
22:02 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: And svn blame should be on the YUI devs who created the examples.
22:02 < perlDreamer> I'm vindicated!
22:02 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: I knew something was acting funky with the unity operators, that at a few points it was apples an oranges.
22:03 < perlDreamer> I'll svn up and study.
22:04 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: oh don't.  It is horrid.  A hacked correction.  All references to the YUI #pragmas should be pulled out as not needed.
22:04 <+perlmonkey2> The correction was just to test for both types of asc and desc.
22:05 < perlDreamer> so both sorting and pagination work?
22:05 <+perlmonkey2> but since you wre doing server side sorting, only one type was needed.
22:05 <+perlmonkey2> yep
22:05 <+perlmonkey2> should.
22:05 <+perlmonkey2> I tested and it worked with 28 entries.
22:05 < perlDreamer> so this bug should also be closed: http://www.plainblack.com/voory6jr-3rnz15h1tpkza#vOORY6jr-3RNZ15h1tpkZA ?
22:05 <+perlmonkey2> yes :)
22:06 < overdrive3000> by the way, i'm venezuelan and the site will be to promote free software migration to the national public administration and I love that the site have the signature "powered by WebGUI"
22:06 < perlDreamer> that's a too-fer!
22:06 <+perlmonkey2> and that was painful to figure out.  YUI should get a nasty letter.
22:06 <+perlmonkey2> I'm writing my congressman!
22:06 <+perlmonkey2> overdrive3000: hah, very cool!
22:07 < perlDreamer> overdrive3000, very cool.  You might also be interested in out internationalization translation project at http://i18n.webgui.org
22:07 < overdrive3000> yes...
22:07 < perlDreamer> We've recently had a team from Colombia who have been working very hard on translating WebGUI.
22:07 < perlDreamer> They've taken it from 6% to over 40%
22:08 < perlDreamer> oh, and if you'd like to learn more about WebGUI
22:08 < perlDreamer> the WebGUI User's Conference is at the end of August.
22:09 <+perlmonkey2> I'm excited about the conference.  Should be a lot of fun.
22:10 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: oh, this one should be closed too....I think.  http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/quotation-marks-in-menu-title-and/or-title-break-crumb-trail-in-the-asset-manager#bqopeC9jepRGL851fcA0XA
22:10 < dionak> we're looking forward to it too
22:10 < perlDreamer> perlmonkey2: that's 3 down
22:10 < perlDreamer> and I closed all three on the tracker, too
22:11 <+perlmonkey2> sweet :D
22:11 <+perlmonkey2> this is fun
22:11 < perlDreamer> Thank you for bug swatting.
22:11 < perlDreamer> It's a big help.
22:11 <+perlmonkey2> although the next one I picked looks rough.  The EMS2.0 import/export.  Scares me.
22:11 < perlDreamer> Now, if you only you spoke Arabic...
22:12 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: Sorry, I'm barely monolingual and can speak pidgin Spanish.
22:12 < perlDreamer> perlmonkey2: How about these: http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/collateral-image-manager-broken-in-7_5_16-beta#THwgFXnABOsP0FdB-Tvxvw
22:12 < perlDreamer> http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/server-side-spellchecker-not-working-any-longer#RkpN_442TkCBMOL4OzPqjg
22:12 < perlDreamer> they are more JS/JSON work
22:13 < perlDreamer> TinyMCE changed their interface to use JSON, and our interfaces need to be updated.
22:13 <+perlmonkey2> oh, okay, I'll work on that one.  I didn't see the updates as I had my email pointing at the wrong place.
22:15 < overdrive3000> thank you for everything, this weekend I will work in translation in order to collaborate on something with you
22:15 < overdrive3000> bye...
22:15 < perlDreamer> thanks overdrive3000.  If you have more questions about WebGUI, please feel free to come back
22:16 < perlDreamer> or to post on the forums
22:16 < overdrive3000> Ok, thanks...
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22:18 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: The "WebGUI Image Collaterial Manager" in the tinyMCE is the tiny picture window with the mouseover text "Insert WebGUI Image", right?
22:18 < perlDreamer> yes
22:18 < perlDreamer> that's him
22:18 < perlDreamer> he should have an upload option
22:18 <+perlmonkey2> I can't replicate in FF3 Fedora 9
22:19 <+perlmonkey2> Testing in ephypany
22:21 < perlDreamer> maybe it's only windows
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22:22 <+perlmonkey2> Hmm, I can't get it to work with Epiphany no matter what I do.
22:22 <+perlmonkey2> but that isn't really mainstream.
22:24 <+cap10morgan> I'm pretty sure this line in the new WRE mod_proxy conf files makes every WebGUI site an open HTTP proxy: RewriteRule ^/(.*) http://%{HTTP_HOST}:8081/$1 [P]
22:24 < perlDreamer> I see that he's posted some updates to the bug, and it sounds like a caching issue with FF3.
22:25 <+cap10morgan> it just happens to proxy to port 8081
22:25 <+cap10morgan> but in my config, i moved the mod_perl stuff to a new server on port 80
22:25 <+cap10morgan> so then i got listed as an open proxy
22:25 <+cap10morgan> seems like that shouldn't happen, eh?
22:28 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: I just replicated with FF2 on cent5.1.  Installed firebug and some big nasties are showing up.  Might be a tough fix.
22:28 <+perlmonkey2> might be an upstream bug.
22:29 <+perlmonkey2> I'll go look at tinymce's site for bugs.
22:30 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: 3.1.01 is out and WG is on 3.0.5 is looks like.
22:30 <+perlmonkey2> I'll do a local update and see if that resolves it.
22:30 <+perlmonkey2> and I'm sure you were just dieing to hear my play by play plans.  I'll shut up now.
22:32 < perlDreamer> just so long as you stay away from bodily functions, it's cool with me :)
22:32 <+perlmonkey2> :P
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22:47 < Sara> Hi I have a question about the cs
22:47 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: very interesting.  The error is in YUI's resize
22:47 <+perlmonkey2> hello Sara, what's the Q?
22:48 < Sara> When i do a post
22:49 < Sara> I want to put the data post as a variables (title, attachment,) in a xml file
22:50 < Sara> How can i do this?
22:51 < Sara> when an user do it the submit in a post, how can i run a macro, where?
22:54 <+perlmonkey2> Sara: Sounds like you'll need to read up on Macros.
22:54 < Sara> Yes
22:55 <+perlmonkey2> From what I understand, when the user submits a post (to a collab?) you data from the post put into an xml file soundhow and then stored somewhere?
22:56 <+perlmonkey2> might be easier to write a batch job to get the rss feed from the wobject and then create you xml from its xml.
22:57 < Sara> Its the easy way?
22:58 < perlDreamer> Sara, hard to tell until you've tried it.
22:58 < perlDreamer> Why will you do with the XML data?
22:59 < Sara> I'm going to try
22:59 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer:  This is the line failing from the YUI (2.5.2, I updated locally) resize-beta.js line 1386 easing = YAHOO.util.Easing.easeOut;
22:59 <+perlmonkey2> yeah, figuring this out is going to be fun :P
22:59 < Sara> But, i need the attachments url, and the title in a xml
23:00 <+perlmonkey2> [Exception... "Component returned failure code: 0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE) [nsIWebNavigation.sessionHistory]" nsresult: "0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE)" location: "JS frame :: chrome://global/content/bindings/browser.xml :: :: line 644" data: no]
23:00 < perlDreamer> Sara, it sounds like you're building an RSS feed
23:00 <+perlmonkey2> Sara: most objects in WG already have rss feeds.
23:01 < perlDreamer> perlmonkey2: Only CS'es.  Maybe the Gallery
23:01 <+perlmonkey2> oh, I thought more.  Forget what I said Sara :P
23:01 < Sara> The situation is: I have a cs, in this, the users attachment songs, I want to save the variables title and url attachment
23:02 < Sara> A flah player read the xml, and play the songs
23:03 < Sara> I need have this variables in a xml
23:03 < perlDreamer> Could you use the RSS from the CS to do this?  It has all that information, and more.
23:05 < topsub> When creating a form control is there a way i can do a pop up box like the "User" form control but call a function inside my form control? LIke.  www_toHtmlPopUp() ?
23:06 < perlDreamer> topsub, that would just be a bunch of JS that you throw into toHtml
23:06 < perlDreamer> we don't have an auto-popup generator
23:06 < perlDreamer> but it would be cool
23:07 < topsub> well the users form control does it but it calls an operation. I would like to call a function in my form control
23:07 < topsub> hmm wonder if there is any work around to do it for now
23:07 < topsub> still haven't got my custom form control to work but i am working on it slowly
23:09 < topsub> perlDreamer, to do a pop up thats correct but i want it to call a function within my form control
23:10 < perlDreamer> topsub: I don't know if that's possible.  Do other form controls have methods that start with www_?
23:10 < topsub> no. not that i have found
23:10 < topsub> like i said that one form control uses an operation
23:10 < topsub> so i wonder if thats the only way
23:10 < perlDreamer> Check out Form/Asset, Form/HTMLArea and Form/Attachments for examples of a Form using a method inside it.
23:11 < perlDreamer> and install ack :)
23:11 < topsub> <-- blind
23:11 < perlDreamer> I just did ack 'www_' /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Form
23:12 < perlDreamer> Don't feel bad.  There's only about 130K lines of code in WebGUI
23:12 < perlDreamer> and that's just the perl
23:12 < perlDreamer> not the templates or the JS
23:13 < topsub> thanks i will check that out.. think thats just what i need!
23:13 < topsub> my chocolate milk rush is over about 11am and then its down hill from there
23:14 < perlDreamer> I recommend a good, strong mocha.  Which is like a hot chocolate milk with slight coffee flavoring.
23:14 < perlDreamer> If you use enough chocolate, you can barely taste the coffee
23:15 < topsub> lol this office stays alive on coffee.. I am the only one that doesn't drink it
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23:23 < Sara> hi, excuse me, my internet
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23:27 <+perlmonkey2> okay anyone here want to try to replicate the tinymce/yui/firefox bug on a different browser?
23:28 < Sara> perlmonkey2
23:29 < Sara> Do you understand me?
23:29 <+perlmonkey2> nevermind, just tried it on vista IE7,
23:29 <+perlmonkey2> yes
23:29 < Sara> In a cs the users attachment mp3 files
23:30 < Sara> I want to save the variables in a xml file, and with a swf play the mp3 list
23:30 <+perlmonkey2> sara sounds like you need some programming
23:30 <+perlmonkey2> Anyone here running Safari?
23:31 < Sara> me
23:31 < Sara> this is me
23:31 < Sara> what do you need
23:31 < Sara> ?
23:31 <+perlmonkey2> If you can edit and article and click on the insert webgui image butotn
23:31 <+perlmonkey2> see if there is an error.
23:32 <+perlmonkey2> I'm 99% sure it is a FF3 bug.
23:32 < Sara> I'm going to try
23:32 <+perlmonkey2> thanks :
23:32 <+perlmonkey2> :)
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23:36 < Sara> perlmonkey2
23:36 <+perlmonkey2> yes Sara
23:36 < Sara> Ican't see the bug
23:36 <+perlmonkey2> that is great news and means it is only in FF3.
23:36 < Sara> It works
23:37 <+perlmonkey2> And only in earlier builds of FF3.
23:38 < perlDreamer> Sounds like a closable bug to me
23:39 < Sara> Ok, perlmonkey2, how can i save the variables in a xml file (title and attachment url)?
23:41 <+perlmonkey2> Sara: Your description is very general, so I'm not exactly sure what you want.  But from what I gather, you will need to write some code that is triggered on the submission of a collab entry.  If you do not want to write this code yourself, PlainBlack can write the code for you.
23:42 < perlDreamer> The other way to do it is to add some extra www_method that generates the file on demand from the Flash player.
23:42 < perlDreamer> Or to alter the file with a workflow on adding a post.
23:44 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: yeah I like the first one.
23:44 <+perlmonkey2> but always hesitate to go off-vanila on core Wobjects.
23:44 < perlDreamer> yeah, I understand
23:44 < perlDreamer> I did think about a SQL Report, but it's hard to get storage URLs from that
23:45 <+perlmonkey2> but I'd go with that method for a client.
23:46 < perlDreamer> Maybe we need a StorageUrl macro, which, when given a storageId, generates the URL to the first file found in the storage location.
23:47 <+perlmonkey2> How would the storageId be captured?
23:48 < perlDreamer> select storageId, title from Post join assetData on Post.assetId=assetData.assetId (and a whole bunch of other clauses)
23:49 < perlDreamer> It would be used in templates and the like.
23:49 <+perlmonkey2> okay
23:49 < Sara> But where i must put the macro?
23:49 < perlDreamer> but that's not RFE'ed or anything, just thinking out loud
23:49 < perlDreamer> Sara, you would put it in a SQL Report template
23:50 < perlDreamer> but, as I said, this macro does not exist
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00:09 <+perlmonkey2> hmm, this Shop bug looks pretty serious perlDreamer.  You have in insights?  Or are you busy? http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/shop-seeing-another-users-cart#Y1ZZP2QeOfPEUYyLsEYUPA
00:11 < perlDreamer> I'm wondering if she ended up using the same Session ID.  Might have gotten stuck in a cookie or something.
00:11 < perlDreamer> It sounds repeatable, though
00:11 < perlDreamer> which is good for bug hunting
00:13 <+perlmonkey2> yeah, I've repeated it.
00:14 <+perlmonkey2> so then shop info is stored client side in cookies?
00:14 < perlDreamer> the WebGUI sessionId is stored client side in a cookie
00:14 < perlDreamer> that way wG knows who you are
00:14 < perlDreamer> from page to  page
00:14 < perlDreamer> same browser, same session cookie?
00:15 <+perlmonkey2> I just logged in as bob, added a widget to my card.  Logged out, then back in as admin and can view bob's cart as my own.
00:16 <+perlmonkey2> but I'm not sure how serious this bug is.  How often will you have a real life scenario where this happens?
00:17 < perlDreamer> The problem would be if you log in as admin from another computer and have it happen again.  Or another browser.
00:17 < perlDreamer> bio-break
00:17 <+perlmonkey2> okay, I'll test that.
00:19 <+perlmonkey2> wow
00:20 <+perlmonkey2> spooky.  Okay, one browser is bob, one is admin.  Bob bought a widget and now gets a view cart link.  Admin loads the widget page and gets a view cart link.  Bob's cart has the widget, admin's cart is empty.
00:20 <+perlmonkey2> but why did admin's widget show a link to the cart intead of the offer to purchase the widget?
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00:22 < perlDreamer> no idea, perlmonkey2.  Sounds like caching, but Admin is supposed to be uncached.
00:22 < perlDreamer> You added a Product to the cart?
00:22 <+perlmonkey2> I'll create anothe ruse and see if it is only admin
00:22 <+perlmonkey2> yes
00:22 <+perlmonkey2> I created a widget product.
00:23 <+perlmonkey2> not sure what "Shelf" does though.
00:23 <@tavisto> Haarg, you there?
00:23 < perlDreamer> Shelf is a container for Skus
00:23 <@tavisto> hey pD
00:23 < perlDreamer> yo, tavisto
00:23 < perlDreamer> How's the WUC looking?
00:24 <+perlmonkey2> yeah, bob and sam can see each others' carts
00:25 <+perlmonkey2> which is new.  At least before Admin and Bob only made the "view cart" show up for the other uers without the contents being shared.
00:25 < perlDreamer> How is cart indexed in the db?
00:26 <+perlmonkey2> no idea
00:27 <+perlmonkey2> cartid and sessionid
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00:28 <+perlmonkey2> okay, I'm going code diving.
00:28 < perlDreamer> I'd recommend looking in the Sku, for the getCart method
00:28 < perlDreamer> Asset/Sku.pm
00:28 <+perlmonkey2> the Sku....hmm....okay
00:29 < perlDreamer> It might also be worth your time to try and write a test for it.
00:29 <+perlmonkey2> let me get a feel for the code and what's going on first.
00:30 < perlDreamer> stoopid $dayJob!
00:31 <+perlmonkey2> you should take a month of vacation like me :P
00:32 < perlDreamer> I want a patron.
00:32 < perlDreamer> Someone to sponsor me while I write WebGUI code
00:32 < perlDreamer> with no deadlines or requirements attached.
00:34 <@tavisto> perlDreamer, sorry got brought into a convo here at JT's... but WUC prep went well
00:35 <@tavisto> we wrapped up this afternoon and are chilling now
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00:40 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: I thought JT offered you that position?
00:41 < perlDreamer> Yes, except for the getting paid part :/
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00:42 <+perlmonkey2> Yeah, I thought JT said he'd do that?
00:42 <+perlmonkey2> oh
00:42 <+perlmonkey2> yeah, I guess chip engineers make a little cheese.
00:43 < perlDreamer> Well, as a trial, we redid our budget this year and cut it 30%.  Just pretended like we took a 30% paycut.
00:43 <+perlmonkey2> I went CS and my two buddies went EE.  They go to work for Xilinx and are worth half a mill before the age of 30.
00:43 < perlDreamer> It works.
00:43 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: that sounds like a really smart idea.
00:43 < perlDreamer> but I need to cut another 30% to get to programming salary levels
00:44 < perlDreamer> that's not doable
00:44 <+perlmonkey2> even if you contracted on the side?
00:44 <+perlmonkey2> ran your own custom shop?
00:45 < lisette> i can do a new workflow?
00:45 < perlDreamer> lisette, yes, you can add Workflows to WebGUI
00:45 < perlDreamer> perlmonkey2, I'm business-smarts impaired.
00:45 <+perlmonkey2> join a few marketing clubs (groups of professinals who refer bidness to each other).
00:46  * perlmonkey2 is just too lazy to strike it rich, but he's got several examples of how to do it.
00:47 <+perlmonkey2> although I think text processing as a web service might have a chance.  I've got a better text processing kernel than Semantic-Knowledges tool and they charge $3950 per seat.
00:47 <+perlmonkey2> but my kernel was written in Perl, so it isn't fair to compare the two.  I obvously cheated.
00:49 < perlDreamer> indeed
00:49 <+perlmonkey2> I can index and process 100,000 words a second on a single core of my T8100.  
00:49 <+perlmonkey2> That an't too shabby :P
00:50 <+perlmonkey2> anyways...back to bug stomping.  Get cart is just a call to Shop::Cart->newBySession.
00:50 <+perlmonkey2> getCart shouldn't be messing up because the two carts should come from different sessions.
00:51 < perlDreamer> "shouldn't be"
00:51 <+perlmonkey2> grabs a cartId from the sessionId in the database.
00:51 < perlDreamer> what if there's no cart in the db?
00:51 <+perlmonkey2> create a new one with $session and $cartId which would be undef
00:52 < perlDreamer> with bob and admin, how many carts are there in the db?
00:52 <+perlmonkey2> who wrote this code?  It is really clean.
00:52 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: too
00:52 < perlDreamer> that's pure rizen code
00:52 <+perlmonkey2> but I also have sam now so there should be 3 but there isn't.
00:53 <+perlmonkey2> unless carts get removed from the table?
00:53 < perlDreamer> what if quickScalar returns '' instead of undef?
00:53 < lisette> i can tell a workflow that obtain a specific variable?
00:54 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: is '' defined?
00:54 < perlDreamer> sure
00:54 < perlDreamer> it's false but defined
00:54 <+perlmonkey2> yes just tested.
00:54 <+perlmonkey2> hmm
00:55 <+perlmonkey2> guess I need to test quickScalar.
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00:55 <+perlmonkey2> surely not though?
00:55 < perlDreamer> don't know
00:55 < perlDreamer> I'd throw some debug code into getCart, and make another user
00:56 <+perlmonkey2> getCart just hands off to Cart.pm, so I'll throw it there.  Sound right?
00:56 < perlDreamer> yeah, newBySession would be good, so long as you can trace if the cart is grabbed, or created fresh
00:59 <+perlmonkey2> I added if(defined $cartId and $cartId ne '') with the same sharing of carts results.  But you're right, I need traces.
01:05 <+perlmonkey2> getCart doesn't look to be called.
01:06 <@tavisto> so perlDreamer, did you just rename "Itransact" into "Credit Card"
01:07 <@tavisto> I remembered you made the change.. but my mind is mush right now
01:07 <@tavisto> I think there is going to be a beta release tonight so you're work shall see the light
01:08 < lisette> if i create a workflow i need to install?
01:09 < perlDreamer> tavisto, the new name is Credit Card (ITransact)
01:09 <@tavisto> sweet
01:10 <@tavisto> AMLA will be happy
01:10 < perlDreamer> tips happily accepted
01:12 < perlDreamer> perlmonkey2, in eq context, undef is the same as ''
01:12 <@tavisto> look both ways before you cross the street. Welcome to open source.
01:12 < perlDreamer> Good tip.  Here's another one.
01:12 < perlDreamer> You can ride the light rail for free near OSCON into downtown
01:13 < perlDreamer> but I'll tell you more about that next week
01:14 < perlDreamer> oh, and Rice Junkies on 11th has a great yakisoba chicken burrito
01:23 < perlDreamer> lisette, yes.  Workflows go in WebGUI/Workflow/Activity
01:23 < perlDreamer> and then you have to put it in your WebGUI config file in /data/WebGUI/etc/
01:27 < perlDreamer> perlmonkey2: You learn anything new?
01:33 <@tavisto> yeah I remember hearing that
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01:51 < lisette> i create an activity and a workflow, i wnat to assign this activity to this workflow, how to do?
01:52 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: not yet.  Was taking a break.  About to restart.
01:52 <+perlmonkey2> Just because I'm on vacation doesn't mean I can take some time to read a good junk novel :P
01:52 < perlDreamer> rock on, dude
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02:41 < metanil> is there any major change in database schema between webgui 7.4.17-stable and 7.5/7.4.40-stable??
02:41 < perlDreamer> metanil, check the gotchas file, docs/gotchas.txt
02:42 < metanil> gotchas!! :)
02:42 < perlDreamer> why, what are you seeing?
02:50 < metanil> actually, i am trying to upgrade from 7.4.17-stable to either 7.5/7.4.40-stable.. So, just confirming any database changes, because i already have lots of contain in it.
02:53 < perlDreamer> I think the upgrade path is to 7.4.40, and then to 7.5
02:53 < perlDreamer> I don't know if you can do it from 7.4.17
02:54 < metanil> i think new Gallery asset not available in 7.4.40.
02:54 < perlDreamer> It's in 7.5 for sure.  I don't know about 7.4.40.
02:55 < metanil> no its not there. i just checked.
02:55 < metanil> but thats okay
02:56 < perlDreamer> so upgrade to .40, then up to 7.5
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04:14 < metanil> "WRE ERROR: Perl make did not complete successfully" in Ubuntu Hardy .. any clue?
04:17 < metanil> ./makedepend: 1: Syntax error: Unterminated quoted string
04:18 <@Haarg> that's not much to go on.  if there's more stuff put it on pastebin.
04:20 < metanil> Haarg: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d6ca456c1
04:23 < metanil> i gave ./build.sh --all
04:23 <@Haarg> is that a 64 or 32bit build?
04:24 < metanil> is guess 32bit
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04:25 < metanil> it is 32bit
04:26 < metanil> any specific perl related prereqs??
04:26 < metanil> in readme its just gcc g++ make and ncurses-dev
04:26 <@Haarg> i'm not sure.  we don't have much special for perl, just Configure, make, make install
04:28 < metanil> i am pretty much sure that the installation done by other user.. (not root.. or as sudo)
04:29 < perlDreamer> perlmonkey2: I've got my bug huntin' boots on.
04:29 <@Haarg> can you try 'ls -l /bin/sh'
04:29 < metanil> sure thing
04:29 < metanil> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2008-05-30 19:51 /bin/sh -> dash
04:30 <@Haarg> hmm
04:30 < metanil> does it have to bash instead of 'dash'??
04:30 <@Haarg> might be a perl bug relating to dash
04:30 <@Haarg> you might want to try it with bash
04:31 < metanil> you mean by changing the symlink of sh to bash?
04:31 <@Haarg> yeah
04:31 <@Haarg> that's the easiest way at least
04:31 < metanil> ok.. lets see... i'll try to build
04:33 <@Haarg> perlDreamer, i'm doing a release in a few minutes
04:33 < perlDreamer> I won't have this bug fixed by then.
04:34 < perlDreamer> Thanks for the warning, though
04:42 < metanil> still error while making perl.. but this time its different
04:43 < metanil> Haarg: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d5bb05da0
04:46 <@Haarg> i can't really help you much with that.  it seems like a general perl problem, so you might look around for answers along those lines.
04:47 < metanil> ok.. i'll try googling it.
04:51 < perlDreamer> perlmonkey2: I can't duplicate the bug.
04:52 < perlDreamer> I logged in as Admin, created 2 users and a Product.
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04:53 < perlDreamer> As user1, petebob, i bought a product.
04:53 < perlDreamer> then in a separate browser, I logged in as user2
04:53 < perlDreamer> I couldn't get to user1's cart.
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05:09 < metanil> Haarg: now its......... make: *** No rule to make target `<command-line>', needed by `miniperlmain.o'.  Stop
05:10 <@Haarg> i really couldn't say.  i haven't run through the wre build in a long time, and i didn't have any problems when i did.
05:10 < metanil> (me too with other machine)
05:11 < metanil> may its related with new gcc
05:14 <+perlmonkey2> I need a better paying job.  My buddy just got him and his wife new Z3's.
05:14 < perlDreamer> is that a gaming console?
05:16 <+Radix-wrk> heh.. no, bmw z3 roadster I suspect ;)
05:17 < perlDreamer> perlmonkey2: I don't think the cart thing is a bug.
05:17 < perlDreamer> As a browser visiting the site, you get a cookie
05:17 < perlDreamer> you can log in multiple times with the same session with different usernames and passwords
05:17 <+perlmonkey2> with different browsers?
05:17 < perlDreamer> I used different browsers with no problem.
05:18 < perlDreamer> I made two users
05:18 < perlDreamer> petebob and timbob
05:18 <+perlmonkey2> no bug with two browsers?  maybe epiphany and firefox share cache/cookies?
05:18 < perlDreamer> possibly
05:18 < perlDreamer> All I know is I couldn't do it with konqueror and firefox
05:19 <+perlmonkey2> although I checked the DB.  I had two sessions, one for each user logged into seperate browsers.
05:19 <+perlmonkey2> okay, I'll try two seperate machines.
05:19 < perlDreamer> well, maybe it's best to say I can't duplicate the bug.
05:19 <+perlmonkey2> if that doesn't work, maybe we can call it an insignificant bug?
05:19 < metanil> Haarg: ./source/perl-5.8.8/makedepend.SH and added line......    -e '/^#.*<command-line>/d' \ 
05:20 < perlDreamer> yeah
05:20 < perlDreamer> we blame tavisto
05:20 < metanil> i am currently running .. hopefully i will solve that issue.
05:21 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: bad news.  Bob logged in from my server, sam logged in from my laptop.  When sam added a widget to his cart, bob got the "view cart" link instead of an offer to add a widget.
05:22 <+perlmonkey2> hmm...I thought sam added the widget, but only bob's cart shows a widge.t
05:22 <+perlmonkey2> no, widget shows up in correct cart.
05:23 < perlDreamer> have bob and sam added stuff in the past?
05:23 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: yes
05:23 <+perlmonkey2> all from my laptop.
05:23 <+perlmonkey2> but both sessions should have timed out since I last attempted this.
05:24 < perlDreamer> well, please add another user, from your laptop, called bill.
05:24 < perlDreamer> have bill log in from the server
05:24 < perlDreamer> then I'll be convinced
05:24 <+perlmonkey2> okay
05:24 <+perlmonkey2> j/s family
05:27 < metanil> Haarg: its now working.. it passed through it.
05:27 <@Haarg> cool
05:28 <+perlmonkey2> bill was created on the lappy and logged in to the server and saw "View Cart" on the page that should have offered a widget.
05:28 <@Haarg> might be nice to post what you did to the dev mailing list
05:28 < perlDreamer> no add to cart link?
05:28 <+perlmonkey2> nope
05:28 <@Haarg> could be helpful for the next WRE release
05:28 <+perlmonkey2> just view cart.  Althoguh nothing was in the cart.
05:28 < metanil> Harg: Could we add some kind of help for that in ReadMe file under Ubuntu sectioN?
05:28 <+perlmonkey2> j/s I did log into the lappy with bill.  I'll create another and not log into the lappy
05:29 <@Haarg> those kinds of changes shouldn't really be needed
05:29 <@Haarg> we'd want to work around them in the build script
05:29 <@Haarg> but sticking it on the wiki might be good
05:29 <+perlmonkey2> okay, created jill, first time login was the server and she saw view cart.
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05:29 < perlDreamer> no add to cart?
05:29 < metanil> Haarg: its not really related to WRE,, its a bug  of new version of gcc and perl source.
05:30 <+perlmonkey2> nope, no widget to add.
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05:30 < perlDreamer> are there still available widgets in the quantity field?
05:30 <+perlmonkey2> should be, I added 99
05:30 <+perlmonkey2> j/s
05:30 <@Haarg> still, if we wanted to support that version of ubuntu, we'd put something ot build.sh to make it work
05:30 <+perlmonkey2> yes, 100 left
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05:31 < metanil> Haarg, how can we do that?
05:31 < perlDreamer> Are you running the WRE?
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05:31 < perlDreamer> brb, gotta feed the critters and let the dog out
05:31 < metanil> i'll try to change build.sh.
05:31 <@Haarg> there are other places in the build script where it makes changes to the files using regexes.
05:31 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: yes
05:31 <@Haarg> we could probably do something similar
05:31 < perlDreamer> poor guy, he's standing here with all 4 legs crossed
05:32 <@Haarg> i'm not certain what all your changes are, so i couldn't say.
05:32 <+perlmonkey2> hahah
05:32 <+perlmonkey2> he should pee on the carpet for spite :p
05:32 <@tavisto> hoowah! 2 hours til we see The Dark Knight
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05:33 <+perlmonkey2> or that's what my dog does.  He stands for 5 minutes at the door making an occasional "wuuf", then walks over to the carpet and cuts loose.
05:33 <+perlmonkey2> so he's got us pretty well trained and only makes one wuf
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05:37 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: getcart isn't being called until something is added.  So the problem is why "View Cart" is being shown.  This might end up being an easy fix.
05:40 < perlDreamer> ViewCart is always shown now in the default template, iirc
05:41 < perlDreamer> yeah
05:41 < perlDreamer> there is always a cart now
05:41 < perlDreamer> but displaying the add to cart link depends on the hasAddedToCart variable
05:44 < metanil> Haarg: and for regex the build script itself using perl binary. 
05:44 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: hmm, admin and jill can now add without messing with each other.  But bill and jill have problems.
05:45 <@Haarg> well, i'm not sure what we'd do to actually get it to work
05:45 < perlDreamer> bill and jill both logged in from the same place?
05:46 < perlDreamer> here's a mysql query to try
05:46 < perlDreamer> select cart.cartId, cart.sessionId, userSession.userId from cart join userSession on cart.sessionId=userSession.sessionId;
05:47 <+perlmonkey2> no, different machines
05:48 <+perlmonkey2> i have 3 uid's with there own cartid and sessionid
05:49 <+perlmonkey2> their
05:49 < perlDreamer> throw another join and get usernames
05:49 < perlDreamer> because you have 5 users so far :)
05:50 < perlDreamer> Haarg, could I get your help tracking down an empty template?
05:50 <@Haarg> possibly
05:50 <+perlmonkey2> bill bob jill
05:50 < perlDreamer> Default sale notification mail, id: UTmPS_SxenN2XrWEnB4uyQ, url: /shopping-cart-collateral-items/default-sale-notification-mail
05:50 < perlDreamer> that template is empty
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05:50 < perlDreamer> perlmonkey2, nothing for sam?
05:50 <+perlmonkey2> sam and admin no longer have an entry.
05:51 <+perlmonkey2> but I didn't leave anything in the cart.
05:51 <+perlmonkey2> so does his cart timeout with the session?
05:51 < perlDreamer> I don't know.
05:52 < perlDreamer> No.  There's no workflow activity to expire carts
05:52 < perlDreamer> they're permanent
05:53 <+perlmonkey2> I'm still trying to put in traces, but the cart method doesn't have access to the session.
05:53 <+perlmonkey2> and all its members are private for the most part.
05:53 < perlDreamer> cart method?
05:53 <+perlmonkey2> newBySession
05:54 < perlDreamer> isn't $session the second argument to newBySession?
05:54 <+perlmonkey2> doh, the session is passed in.....stupid me thought it was a nidea.
05:54 <+perlmonkey2> hah
05:54 <+perlmonkey2> id, not idea
05:54 <+perlmonkey2> but that is only called when something is added to the cart.
05:54 <+perlmonkey2> our problem seems to happen earlier, just from viewing the wobject.
05:55 <@Haarg> i'm not seeing anything odd about that template aside from that it is empty
05:55 <@Haarg> and there aren't any previous revisions of it on pb.com
05:58 < perlDreamer> I'll add a subroutine to clean it up in the next rev.  Is that okay?
05:59 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r6998 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): preparing for 7.5.18 dev
05:59 <+perlmonkey2> checkView?
06:00 < perlDreamer> that shouldn't talk to the cart
06:00 <+perlmonkey2> no.
06:01 <+perlmonkey2> Sku in www_view calls checkView, just wondering what it does.
06:01 < perlDreamer> checkView: Asset.pm line 287
06:01 <+perlmonkey2> trying to figure out where the decision to show "View cart" comes from.
06:01 < perlDreamer> view cart is shown all the time
06:01 <@Haarg> i guess.  i don't know what that template is used for.
06:02 < perlDreamer> Haarg: it says default sale notification email
06:02 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: do I not have the latest template then?  I don't see view cart.  
06:02 < perlDreamer> so I'm guessing it's related to Shop
06:02 <+perlmonkey2> I see a drop down for the item and a button "Add to cart"
06:02 < perlDreamer> perlmonkey2: what's your svn rev?
06:03 < perlDreamer> are you fully up to date?
06:03 < perlDreamer> current rev is 6998
06:03 < perlDreamer> if you're within 2-3 of that you're probably fine
06:03 < perlDreamer> svn info /data/WebGUI
06:04 <+perlmonkey2> 6994
06:04 <+perlmonkey2> I have to replace a lot of JS to get update to work.
06:04 <@Haarg> i don't see any references to that template anywhere
06:05 < perlDreamer> Haarg, me either.  When we're clear for commits, I'll nuke it.
06:05 <@Haarg> release is done
06:06 <+perlmonkey2> js phone
06:08 < perlDreamer> Okay Haarg, template is gone.
06:09 < perlDreamer> perlmonkey2: do you need to do a resetdev?
06:11 < perlDreamer> webgui.pastebin.com seems to be down, otherwise I'd paste you the right version
06:11 <@tavisto> woohoo!
06:11 <@tavisto> perlDreamer you rock brotha
06:11 <@tavisto> the button and the international errors are fixed
06:11 < perlDreamer> Sweet
06:11 <@tavisto> seem to be working great in my testing
06:12 < perlDreamer> So how long will it take you to start posting iPhone rendering bugs to WebGUI?
06:12 <@tavisto> im taking out a ton of fields now in the purchase history (screen after checkout - confirmation) to make things more simple
06:12 <@tavisto> no time for that hehe
06:13 <@tavisto> got peeps all over the place that want webinars and sales info about wG
06:13 < perlDreamer> sweet
06:13 < perlDreamer> overdrive3000 is a new potential user as well
06:13 < perlDreamer> trying to convince his group to pick WebGUI over Drupal and Plone
06:13 < perlDreamer> Do you have any advice for him?
06:13 <@tavisto> really? what group?
06:13 < metanil> Haarg: to fix that issue we need to put this --> sed -e 's/\(.*command\)[ ]\(line.*\)/\1 \2\n\1-\2/g' makedepend.SH .. in build.sh script.
06:13 <@tavisto> The best way is to sign up for our weekly webinar
06:14 <@tavisto> http://www.plainblack.com/webinar
06:14 <@tavisto> they can signup as a group and it can even be a private session if they have 3-4 people that want to review the benefits of using WebGUI
06:14 < perlDreamer> tavisto, that's all I know
06:17 < perlDreamer> perlbot: paste
06:17 < perlbot> Paste your code to http://sial.org/pbot/perl http://erxz.com/pb or http://p3m.org/pfn/perl and #Perl will be able to view it.
06:18 < perlDreamer> perlmonkey2: this is the latest template: http://p3m.org/pfn/1862
06:19 < perlDreamer> if you don't want to do a resetdev, you can load the package directly from
06:20 < perlDreamer> /data/WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.5.17/default_product.wgpkg
06:22 <@tavisto> hmm.. perlDreamer I've been looking around and I don't see a way to delete a transaction out of wG's history
06:22 < perlDreamer> I'll check
06:23 <@tavisto> overdrive3000, if you are interested in signing up for a webinar, it's a great (free) way to get a guided introduction to WebGUI
06:23 <@tavisto> you can sign up at http://www.plainblack.com/webinar
06:23 < perlDreamer> tavisto, there doesn't appear to be a way to delete transactions
06:23 <@tavisto> yeah I noticed
06:23 <@tavisto> which is weird since it used to let you in the old e-commerce
06:23 < perlDreamer> funny thing is, there's a method to do it in there
06:23 <@tavisto> it comes in handy when wanting to clear off test transactions
06:23 < perlDreamer> You'll have to ask rizen about it
06:24 <@tavisto> especially when peeps have SQL reports tied to whatever transactions are live on the system
06:24 <@tavisto> want me to RFE it?
06:24 < perlDreamer> no, just ask him.  It might be a bug
06:26 < overdrive3000> thanks... Im Registered for a webinars...
06:27 <@tavisto> you are? What's your first name?
06:27 < overdrive3000> Juan
06:28 <@tavisto> oh, hi Juan. This is Tavis Parker. I emailed you earlier
06:28 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r6999 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.17-7.5.18.pl: Clean up an old, empty template from old Shop work.
06:28 <@tavisto> Sorry about the delay, we've been busy getting ready for our national users conference (the WUC)
06:28 < perlDreamer> International user's conference
06:28 < perlDreamer> Don't forget that half of The Netherlands is coming
06:28 <@tavisto> well yeah, it's definitely international b/c we'll have attendees with over 4 continents this year
06:28 <@tavisto> er from
06:29 < overdrive3000> hi Tavis
06:29 <@tavisto> Juan, are you the only one attending or did you want to have your co-workers join you?
06:30 <@tavisto> Because if you are interested, we could schedule a private webinar for you and your team. I do that quite frequently for large organizations that are interested in using WebGUI.
06:32 < overdrive3000> Im alone
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06:42 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: but you can't replicate teh bug?
06:42 <+perlmonkey2> can anyone else replicate?
06:42 <+perlmonkey2> cause I'm probably just out of date
06:44 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: upgrade got me the template :)
06:45 <+perlmonkey2> dang it.  Jill added a widget.  Bill reloaded the page and not has the view cart/continue shopping link.
06:50 <+perlmonkey2> Bah, logged in as admin and saw the view cart link (the wrong kind), but turned on admin and the correct page showed.
06:51 <+perlmonkey2> What changes when admin is turned on?
06:51 <+perlmonkey2> Is this a cacheing issue?
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07:03 < perlDreamer> perlmonkey2: it's sounding like caching to me.
07:03 < perlDreamer> Try adding a username macro to the Description or template and see if that helpds
07:06 < perlDreamer> and no, I still can't duplicate the bug.
07:06 < perlDreamer> sounds like the Product should not cache
07:07  * perlmonkey2 is tarded and can't remember the macro for username
07:07 <+perlmonkey2> but I bet it is listed in the macro dir.
07:08 < perlDreamer> hat at
07:08 < perlDreamer> ^@;
07:12 <+perlmonkey2> didn't fix it.
07:13 < perlDreamer> are you seeing different usernames?
07:13 <+perlmonkey2> yes
07:13 < perlDreamer> Hm.  Let's try this then.  Please add ^SessionId; in there, too
07:13 <+perlmonkey2> although I just found that if I'm in the cart view and remove the item (but don't leave the screen), the other user gets a normal view.
07:13 <+perlmonkey2> k
07:13 < perlDreamer> You'll need to add it to your config file and restart WebGUI
07:14 <+perlmonkey2> ^SessionId;  	 		
07:14 <+perlmonkey2> that doesn't seem right?
07:14 <+perlmonkey2> lc s?
07:15 <+perlmonkey2> oh
07:16 <+perlmonkey2> I'd like a third person to try this to see if they can replicate, since you can't.
07:17 < perlDreamer> That's cool with me.
07:21 <+perlmonkey2> Different sessionid's
07:22 <+perlmonkey2> Need to see what's up with the view.
07:24 < perlDreamer> totally weird
07:25 <+perlmonkey2> fixed it.
07:26 <+perlmonkey2> In Product::view commented out the 6th line of that method.  Which is to return the cache.
07:27 <+perlmonkey2> my $out = WebGUI::Cache->new($self->session,"view_".$self->getId)->get; beyond me why that would be returning the same cache for different sessionId's ($self->getId is a sessionid right?)
07:28 < perlDreamer> no, assetId
07:29 <+perlmonkey2> doh
07:29 <+perlmonkey2> that doesn't seem wise.
07:29 <+perlmonkey2> but perhaps it is, I don't know.
07:29 < perlDreamer> Well, for a persistent view of an asset, it would make sense to key it off of assetId
07:30 <+perlmonkey2> But wouldn't that return the same view regardless of session?
07:30 < perlDreamer> yes, which for most static Assets is what you want.
07:30 <+perlmonkey2> so for the fix, just pull out teh caching?
07:31 < perlDreamer> Seems like we need to do a cart check, too.
07:31 <+perlmonkey2> heh, I was wondering why if I let it set for  a bit it would work.  cacheTimeout is 10.
07:31 < perlDreamer> If there's no cart, caching is fine
07:31 < perlDreamer> that explains why it didn't work for me
07:32 < perlDreamer> I was working fast
07:32 < perlDreamer> uh, I mean slow
07:32 <+perlmonkey2> hah
07:32 <+perlmonkey2> that was a tough nut to crack.
07:32 <+perlmonkey2> If I knew what I was doing, probably would have found it much faster.
07:33 < perlDreamer> the thing is, if it was caching, why did it show different usernames and sessionIds?
07:33 <+perlmonkey2> I'll test again to make sure, but commenting out that cache return seems to have resovled it.
07:33 < perlDreamer> none of the other Skus have caching
07:34 <+perlmonkey2> yep
07:34 < perlDreamer> Donation, Subscription or FlatDiscount
07:34 <+perlmonkey2> that fixed it.
07:34 <+perlmonkey2> but the macros won't be executed from a cache.
07:34 <+perlmonkey2> oh, yes they woud, they wouldn't be cached, right?
07:35 <+perlmonkey2> the template won't be reprocessed, but the macros will, right?
07:35 < perlDreamer> yes, because macro processing is done later
07:35 <+perlmonkey2> then that is why the macros showed differently
07:35 < perlDreamer> and that explains the template logic, too
07:35 < perlDreamer> yeah
07:35 < perlDreamer> and it makes sense.  You can never tell which macros are dynamic and which are static.
07:36 <+perlmonkey2> so if no other sku has caching, rip it out, or put in tests for a cart?  
07:36 < perlDreamer> Rip it out
07:36 < perlDreamer> wait
07:36 < perlDreamer> It's an asset level property
07:37 < perlDreamer> so to rip it out, it has to be removed from the db and everything
07:37 <+perlmonkey2> eh?
07:37 < perlDreamer> it's a user level property, the cache timeout
07:37 < perlDreamer> see line 68
07:37 <+perlmonkey2> doh
07:38 < perlDreamer> I still think it should be taken out
07:38 <+perlmonkey2> Well then it was there for a reason.  Perhaps run it by JT?
07:38 < perlDreamer> Yeah, that's safest
07:39 <+perlmonkey2> But I dont' see why you'd cache an object that was in charge of doing so much.
07:39 < perlDreamer> You're preaching to the choir, dude.
07:39 < perlDreamer> Do you want a hallelujah?
07:39 <+perlmonkey2> hah
07:39 <+perlmonkey2> can I get an ahmen?
07:39 < perlDreamer> We say Amen on the west coast
07:40 <+perlmonkey2> heh, in the south, it is not A, but Ah :P
07:40 <+perlmonkey2> so much that growing up I thought it was Allmen
07:41 < perlDreamer> lol
07:42 <+perlmonkey2> I'll email JT to ask what's up unless you want to.
07:43 < perlDreamer> All you, dude.  I'll be hacking chips tomorrow again.
07:43 < perlDreamer> but next week, I'm a perl hacker
07:44 <+perlmonkey2> man, sounds like you've got it made.  
07:45 <+perlmonkey2> Can't get bored, and get to have the best of the EE and CS world.
07:46 < perlDreamer> I have to admin, it's not all bad.
07:46 < perlDreamer> It would be nice to have more CS and less EE sometimes, though.
07:47 <+perlmonkey2> Yeah, I never understood the attraction of EE.
07:47 <+perlmonkey2> I'd want to build robots and mess with sensors and UAV's.
07:47 <+perlmonkey2> But chip design sounds like really difficult puzzle solving for 8 hours straight.
07:47 < perlDreamer> It can be.
07:48 < perlDreamer> Most of the time it's a lot of tedious documentation and meetings
07:48 < perlDreamer> and avoiding politics
07:48 <+perlmonkey2> and TPS reports.
07:48 < perlDreamer> TPS?
07:48 <+perlmonkey2> But it pays better than code monkeying
07:48 <+perlmonkey2> Form Office Space.
07:48 <+perlmonkey2> From
07:48 <+perlmonkey2> The movie.
07:49 < perlDreamer> I haven't seen that in years.
07:49 <+perlmonkey2> "Jump to conclusions" game.  That was awesome.
07:54 < perlDreamer> HA!
07:54 < perlDreamer> rev 7000
07:54 < perlDreamer> it's mine, all mine
07:54 < perlDreamer> I'll be famous, rich and powerful
07:54 < perlDreamer> either that, or a wanna-be perl hacker...
07:57 <+perlmonkey2> hah
07:58 <+perlmonkey2> I saw 7000 coming.  wondered if it was a milestone or anything.
07:58 <+perlmonkey2> maybe 10,000 will be a party.
07:59 <+perlmonkey2> although 7,000 should be a party too
07:59 < perlDreamer> it could be
07:59 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r7000 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): help docs and i18n for the print ticket template
08:00 < perlDreamer> that's the last of the EMS template documentation
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08:00 < perlDreamer> template bugs have been posted
08:00 < perlDreamer> time to start porting over Shop/Product import/export tests to the Shelf
08:01 < perlDreamer> and developing a richer grammar for the label scanner
08:01 <+perlmonkey2> these bugs are coming in faster than the bug smashers.
08:01 <+perlmonkey2> tests...I really should write some of those sometime.
08:01 < perlDreamer> I've been told that Gallery related bugs will be fixed by someone else
08:01 < perlDreamer> yes, yes you should
08:01 < perlDreamer> testing rocks
08:01 < perlDreamer> I'm taking two tutorials on testing this year at OSCON
08:02 < perlDreamer> Test Driven Development and Selenium testing with PHP
08:03 <+perlmonkey2> selenium....that rings a bell
08:03 < perlDreamer> scripted, browser level testing
08:03 <+perlmonkey2> ah yes, how to get around ajaxified/web2.0 sites for autoation.
08:04 <+perlmonkey2> WWW::Selenium
08:04 <+perlmonkey2> :D
08:05 <+perlmonkey2> test driven development.  That's what I need.
08:06 <+perlmonkey2> write a method, write its test, write a method, writes its test....
08:06 <+perlmonkey2> not, write an application, bang head on why it doesn't workl.
08:08 <+perlmonkey2> okay, time for me to read.  Have a good one PD.
08:08 < perlDreamer> good night
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16:03 < SDuensin> Greetings!
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16:39 < AMH_bob> Greetings from a dtuch guy looking forward to going to the WUC!
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18:48 <+perlmonkey2> So the pre-Wuc wuc went well?
18:48 <@rizen> fairly
18:48 <@rizen> not as well as i hoped, but we still accomplished a lot
18:52 <+perlmonkey2> rizen: the proof I have is that I had two browsers with different users testing the problem.  And changed the template to output the sessionId and username.
18:53 <+perlmonkey2> Plus the problem goes away when logged in as admin with admin turned on or 10 minutes have passed.
18:53 <+perlmonkey2> also, the problem went away when I commented out the caching line.
18:53 <@rizen> asset caching still makes no sense
18:53 <+perlmonkey2> but these were two browsers on two different machines.
18:53 <@rizen> cuz  you're talking about view cart
18:53 <@rizen> and the cart is not an asset
18:53 <+perlmonkey2> well, the view cart link
18:53 <+perlmonkey2> to view the cart.
18:54 <@rizen> there's nothing user specific in the view cart link
18:54 <+perlmonkey2> the Product either shows a view cart/add a product, or a view cart/thanks for the purchase.
18:54 <@rizen> the view cart link is ?shop=cart
18:54 <@rizen> that's it
18:54 <+perlmonkey2> j/s I'll show you the line
18:54 <@rizen> so you're saying it's just showing the "thanks for purchase message" 
18:55 <+perlmonkey2> 1397 in Product.pm
18:55 <@rizen> and not that when they click on the view cart link
18:55 <+perlmonkey2> right.
18:55 <@rizen> but when they click on the view cart link the cart is empty, right?
18:55 <+perlmonkey2> I was confused on the best way to explain it aas i was using the previous template that didn't show view cart on every page.
18:55 <+perlmonkey2> yes, it is empty.
18:55 <+perlmonkey2> they don't see anyone elses cart.
18:55 <@rizen> man then both the description from you and kristi sucks ass
18:56 <@rizen> cuz you're both talking about the cart
18:56 <+perlmonkey2> I was using the old template :P
18:56 <@rizen> but the view cart links is not the cart
18:56 <+perlmonkey2> I meant the view cart link
18:56 <@rizen> this isn't about templates
18:56 <@rizen> you're talking about a product
18:56 <+perlmonkey2> right, it would be created by the Product
18:56 <@rizen> not the cart
18:56 <+perlmonkey2> absolutely
18:56 <@rizen> so why did both of you say cart then
18:56 <+perlmonkey2> I meant the view cart link
18:56 <@rizen> what i'm saying is be specific if you want me to help you
18:57 <@rizen> i can't guess what you mean when you email me
18:57 <@rizen> anyway
18:57 <+perlmonkey2> yeah, that email did suck arse.
18:57 <+perlmonkey2> I plead mild intoxication and brain drain from a really tough bug to track down.
18:58 <@rizen> anyway...line 978 sets $self->{_hasAddedToCart}
18:58 <@rizen> so if that is set, don't cache
18:58 <@rizen> that solves the problem
18:58 <+perlmonkey2> sweet
19:02 <+perlmonkey2> that fixed it.
19:06 <+perlmonkey2> no, that didn't fix it.  
19:08 <@rizen> it would if you did it right
19:08 <+perlmonkey2> if (!$session->var->isAdminOn && $self->get("cacheTimeout") > 10 && $self->{_hasAddedToCart} != 1){
19:09 <@rizen> you did it wrong
19:09 <@rizen> =)
19:09 <@rizen> like i said...don't cache it if the value is set
19:09 <@rizen> i didn't say don't display from cache
19:09 <@rizen> i said don't cache
19:10 <+perlmonkey2> oh crap
19:10 <+perlmonkey2> that makes much more sense.
19:10 <+perlmonkey2> :)
19:11 <+perlmonkey2> okay, now fixed.
19:22 <@bopbop> rizen: in my post I was talking about the cart
19:23 <@bopbop> I was shopping as admin, and saw admin's cart
19:24 <@bopbop> when logged in as another user, I still admin's cart AND the items I had added as a different user were added to admin's purchases... which were for some reason in the other users cart
19:24 <@rizen> bopbop, so then since perlmonkey2 is *not* talking about the cart, then he is not fixing the bug you reported? is that correct?
19:24 <+perlmonkey2> bopbop: I could not replicate that scenario.  
19:24 <@bopbop> it doesn't sound like it, but the reply he sent was about the bug I'm referring to
19:24 <+perlmonkey2> I had 7 different users adding widgets to carts
19:25 <@bopbop> on the same computer?
19:25 <@bopbop> I'm going to try it again today
19:25 <+perlmonkey2> I could get the Product to show the View Cart/Thanks for Shopping link between seperate users on seperate machines.
19:25 <+perlmonkey2> no, not on the same computer.
19:25 <+perlmonkey2> I'll test that out right now.
19:25 <@bopbop> it has nothing to do with the Product asset though- it's the same cart being used for two different users
19:26 <@bopbop> regardless of the types of assets placed in the cart
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19:26 <@rizen> bopbop...i explained to pm2 in my email to him that the reason you're seeing what you're seeing is that both admin and your "shopping" user have the same session id
19:26 <@rizen> because the session id is tied to your web browser
19:26 <@bopbop> ooooh, ok
19:27 <@rizen> and that's why you could see those 
19:27 <@bopbop> ok
19:27 <+perlmonkey2> oh, sme browser?
19:27 <@rizen> if you use two different web browsers, or two different computers
19:27 <@rizen> then youw ouldn't have seen that
19:27 <+perlmonkey2> using two browsers from the same machine does not replicate the bug.
19:27 < perlDreamer> rizen, we did also find a caching bug in the Product
19:27 < perlDreamer> huh?
19:27 < perlDreamer> pm2, what about all that stuff we did last night?
19:27 <@rizen> pd: yeah, already told pm2 how to fix it
19:27 <@bopbop> so, if I was shopping on a WG site, and left, then Ryan came in on the same computer and browser and shopped, he would see my items?
19:27 < perlDreamer> only if you didn't checkout
19:27 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: heh, dang it why didn't you email rizen.  I sent some stupid email that misdiagnosed the problem.
19:27 <@rizen> bopbop, yes
19:28 <+perlmonkey2> bopbop: but Ryan would have to log into your computer as the same user and your sessoin woudl still need to be active.
19:29 <@bopbop> but I was seeing it logged in as two different users
19:29 <@rizen> pm2: no
19:29 <@rizen> the session id is the same
19:29 <@rizen> if you log out of webgui
19:29 <@rizen> you still have a session cookie
19:29 <@rizen> it's just that the session is no longer attached to your user
19:29 <+perlmonkey2> I thought sessions were tied to cookies, and logging into a computer as a different usre wouldnt' give you access to the other user's cookies.
19:29 <@rizen> but the cart isn't tied to your user
19:29 <@bopbop> but it shouldn't do that
19:29 <@rizen> it's tied to your session id
19:29 <@bopbop> shouldn't it be tied to the user id?
19:30 <@rizen> bopbop..if that was true then you'd have to log in before you could start shopping
19:30 <@bopbop> so visitors coudn't shop then
19:30 <@rizen> right
19:30 <@rizen> that's what we have to use session id
19:31 < perlDreamer> why can't we kill the cookie when they logout?
19:31 <+perlmonkey2> rizen: no, they didn't have the same sessionid.
19:31 <+perlmonkey2> the problem wasn't from the same session id.
19:31 <+perlmonkey2> it was the Product caching
19:31 <@rizen> pm2 you are talking about something different entirely
19:32 <@rizen> we are talking about the cart
19:32 <@rizen> you are talking about the product
19:32 <+perlmonkey2> rizen: oh, perlDreamer, our problem was the Product, not the current topic of the dup'd sessionId and cart.
19:32 <@rizen> perlDreamer2, because of a bug in IE
19:32 <@rizen> you can't always delete the cookie
19:32 < perlDreamer> can we delete IE? ;) (wishful thinking)
19:32 <@rizen> so because of that, webgui tries to reuse the cookie if it's already there
19:33 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: look at 7001 and see how easy the fix was.  I love it.
19:33 <+perlmonkey2> got to keep caching and an elegant solution.
19:35 < perlDreamer> perlmonkey2, very nice.
19:37 <+perlmonkey2> JT's solution, not mine.
19:37 < perlDreamer> They don't call him TMRFE for nothing.
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19:41 < perlDreamer> rizen, I'll do what I can for bug fixing
19:42 <@rizen> k
19:43 < CIA-6> WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7001 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Product.pm no longer caches if a cart object has been created for this session.
19:43 < CIA-6> WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7002 /WebGUI/etc/WebGUI.conf.original: Removed extra macro I accidently put in for testing.
19:43 < CIA-6> WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7003 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Shop/Cart.pm: Cart properties were made public for debugging and then left that way by a accident. Fixed.
19:44 <+perlmonkey2> I fix, two more fixes to fix the fix.
19:44 < perlDreamer> yeah, but it's balanced by the amount of time to fix the fix
19:44 < perlDreamer> you get a gimme if you do it within the hour
19:45 < perlDreamer> but penalties accrue if you nuke a user's entire site
19:45 <+perlmonkey2> Do you get an assist for catching the second?
19:45 < perlDreamer> or for the number of users affected
19:45 <+perlmonkey2> if it made it into beta, I'd offer compensation.
19:46 < perlDreamer> I think rizen holds the record, but in the 6.x series I made a form commit which broke every WebGUI site that used it.
19:47 <+perlmonkey2> Yeah, but you're perlDreamer, you've got so much karma you get like free murders now.
19:49 < perlDreamer> You too, can have oodles of karma if you spend 5 years fixing bugs, uploading contribs and making forum posts
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20:13 < juan> is there a macro that show me how many users are online?
20:15 < perlDreamer> No
20:15 < juan> ok
20:15 < perlDreamer> You could either build a custom one, or use the SQL macro to do it for you.
20:16 < juan> yes
20:16 < perlDreamer> In fact, there might even be an example of that very type on the wiki for the SQL macro.
20:16 < juan> I am going to try
20:16 < juan> I have used the SQL macro
20:17 < perlDreamer> I think the table you want is the userSession table
20:17 < juan> ok
20:17 < juan> thanks
20:18 < perlDreamer> You're welcome.  If you want, you can add your example to the SQL macro page in the wiki to help other people out.
20:19 < juan> ok
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20:27 < juan> perlDreamer, when a user session expires, it is deleted from this table or it is done by a workflow?
20:28 < perlDreamer> It is deleted from that table by a workflow.
20:28 < perlDreamer> WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/DeleteExpiredSessions.pm
20:28 < perlDreamer> I think
20:29 < juan> so, if a user log out but the session have not expired it record continues in the table
20:31 < perlDreamer> Yes
20:31 < perlDreamer> If they log back in, they get the same session
20:31 < perlDreamer> this is important for some parts of WebGUI, like the Shop, where the user's cart is tied to their session
20:32 < perlDreamer> Session expiration is configurable in the Settings screen
20:32 < juan> ok
20:32 < perlDreamer> Oh, and just so you and lisette and sara know, I think someone from Venezuela may help with the Spanish translation
20:33 < perlDreamer> Are URLs still broken?
20:34 < perlDreamer> last night's test run has this url: http://www.plainblack.com/zmuhs8ximkxrm6ebag6bug
20:34 < perlDreamer> I think it's an omen that it ends in bag 6 bug
20:39 <+perlmonkey2> bag 6 bug?
20:39 < perlDreamer> that's at the end of the URL that I posted.
20:43 <+perlmonkey2> hah
20:44 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: you wouldn't mind saving me some time and telling me if this Tax.t is supposed to be ran on an empty tax asset table?
20:44 < perlDreamer> pm2: yup
20:44 <+perlmonkey2> ah, then perhaps that's why it blew up on me.
20:44 <+perlmonkey2> here's to wishful thinking :P
20:45 <+perlmonkey2> oh, looks like the test cleaned out my table for me.
20:46 < perlDreamer>     $session->db->write('delete from tax');
20:46 < perlDreamer>     $session->db->write('delete from cart');
20:46 < perlDreamer>     $session->db->write('delete from addressBook');
20:46 < perlDreamer>     $session->db->write('delete from address');
20:49 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: you know how much easier it would be to change the test than the default direction?  I'm afraid to touch the sorting again lest I break it.  
20:49 <+perlmonkey2> But if the specs call for a default of asc, who am I to argue.
20:49 <+perlmonkey2> I mean dec
20:49 < perlDreamer> Then it's best to change the test.  There's no spec for that.
20:49 <+perlmonkey2> Why would it be desc?  That would mean Z's first, right?
20:50 < perlDreamer> yup
20:50 <+perlmonkey2> okay, good, I got it right with asc :P
20:51 < perlDreamer> there's a bug in the END block for that test.  Please let me know after you've committed so that I can commit the
20:51 < perlDreamer> fix for it
20:52 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r7004 /WebGUI/t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm: Make the WEBGUI_CONFIG environment variable warning messages more instructive.
20:53 <+perlmonkey2> okay committed
20:55 < perlDreamer> me, too
20:55 <+perlmonkey2> I guess a WebGUI::Strorage object is persistant in the DB?
20:55 < perlDreamer> and the file system
20:56 <+perlmonkey2> then it probably needed ->delete :P
20:56 < perlDreamer> I only have about 1.5 Gb to play with here at $dayJob
20:56 <+perlmonkey2> Okay, my $dayJob wants me to do something, so I'll be on that for a bit.
20:57 < perlDreamer> I thought you were on vacation?
20:57 <+perlmonkey2> I am, but that doesn't stop them from having "emergencies".
20:59 <+perlmonkey2> They need the if/idf numbers for the Valley project today.  The word-document freq vectors for each daily of the Virginia newspaper for the period of the Civil War.  And they need it yesterday to get the pilot work done for the grant application.
20:59 <+perlmonkey2> Funny how academic grants work.  You do the work *then* shop around for grants to pay you for it.
21:04 < perlDreamer> sounds like contracting
21:04 < perlDreamer> You quit your job, then start looking for customers
21:05 <+perlmonkey2> hah, that's exactly what I've been thinking about doing.
21:05 <+perlmonkey2> quiting my job and looking for customers (in the bottom of a bottle).
21:05 <+perlmonkey2> :D
21:05 < perlDreamer> I think you have a better case than that.
21:05 < perlDreamer> You should quit your job then contract back to the U on a project by project basis
21:06 < perlDreamer> so you have a sponsoring customer as you develop others
21:06 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: I'd rather be a toolsmith to write tools that they and others would buy.
21:06 <+perlmonkey2> or rent 
21:07 <+perlmonkey2> but contracting back to them does make sense.
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21:28 < CIA-6> WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7005 /WebGUI/t/Shop/Tax.t: Tax.t needed to test for default direction of asc, not desc. Fixed.
21:28 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r7006 /WebGUI/t/Shop/Tax.t: Clean up the Storage object created during this test.
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21:50 < dionak> is there a way to disable pagination in the admin?
21:50 < topsub> I hope so!
21:51 < topsub> alt + F4
21:51 < perlDreamer> which system, dionak?
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21:51 < topsub> asset manager?
21:51 < dionak> the asset tree
21:52 < dionak> it adds extra clicks when developing...
21:52 < perlDreamer> I use the search a lot more now
21:52 < perlDreamer> asset manager is not that configurable
21:52 < perlDreamer> if you want to RFE it, I'm sure it would be added in quickly though
21:54 < dionak> will do
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22:03 < topsub> I am still confused on how i can get my custom form control to save. I am subclassing WebGUI::Form::List ( same as select list ).
22:03 < topsub> Any clues on how i can trace how this works.
22:04 < topsub> http://webgui.pastebin.com/m5f032f8f <-- form contorl
22:05 <@rizen> preaction: http://www.plainblack.com/rfe/request-for-enhancement/configure-asset-manager---pagination
22:06 <@preaction> erm... so we add it and now it's not wanted?
22:06 <@rizen> preaction: and you thought that 15 items per page was enough =)
22:06 <@rizen> yp
22:06 <@preaction> i just wanted to be able to see all the entries on the screen + the pagination without having to scroll. The clicking of pagination and then having to scroll up was pissing me off
22:06 <@preaction> of course, i did it in the stupidest way possible
22:06 < perlDreamer> notebook vs desktop?
22:07 <@preaction> erm... plus i don't think it can be made any more obvious. the entire table footer is "Showing Page X of Y" and "Next Page 1 2 3 Prev Page"
22:07 <@preaction> but, perhaps a larger font?
22:08 <@preaction> eh. it's just the first step in the new asset manager
22:11 < dionak> it's just tedious..
22:11 < topsub> a "Show All" Next Page 1 2 3 Prev Page at the header and footer would be nice.. And if you click show all it saves your selection for everypage
22:12 <@preaction> so a drop-down to configure pagination, an entry in the dropdown for "Show All", and a fully-ajax asset manager (instead of changing pages between assets you're managing)
22:12 < topsub> Neweggs.com pagination is nice
22:12 <@preaction> that would solve both problems here: showing all entries, and not losing the "Show All" between assets to manage
22:13 < topsub> http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCategory.aspx?SubCategory=7&name=Computer-Cases
22:13 < topsub> look at the top and bottom
22:13 < dionak> putting it at the top would help
22:14 < perlDreamer> and I want a pony
22:15 <@rizen> topsub: new egg's "show all" function still ends up paginating not showing everything
22:15 <@rizen> also, showing all can be dangerous, which is why we implemented pagination in the first place
22:15 <@rizen> if someone browses to a CS for example that has 15,000 threads
22:17 <@preaction> how about a better feature: Searching within the current asset's children? basically searching within that page of the Manage screen
22:17 <@preaction> instead of having to page through and find it, you can type a few letters and get directed right to the result you want
22:18 <@preaction> (in addition to the pagination dropdown and putting it at the top and bottom
22:18 <@preaction> perhaps making the pagination bar a different color for clarity too)
22:19 <@preaction> i mean, now we're reaching "We should design and spec this out", when before I was just trying to make it as functionally and visually equivalent to the old Asset Manager as possible
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22:43 < lisette> i need to know the postId from the assetId from Collaboration? how to do?
22:45 <@preaction> lisette, postId should be the assetId of the Post, <tmpl_var assetId> perhaps?
22:45 < lisette> mmm the problem is that i build a workflow
22:46 < lisette> there is another way?
22:46 <@rizen> preaction: the asset 2.0 ugrades are mostly about upgrades to the asset manager's search mechanism
22:47 <@preaction> lisette, uhm... you have the version tag if you're building a WebGUI::VersionTag workflow (for collaboration post approval), you can get the asset object from there. otherwise if you just have a Collaboration, you'll need to use getLineage
22:47 < lisette> yes
22:47 < lisette> a workflow of versionTag
22:48 < lisette> but the assetId that here is of the Collaboration, no of Post
22:48 < lisette> getLineage?
22:48 < lisette> how?
22:49 < perlDreamer> getLineage is in the AssetLineage package
22:58 < lisette> this return me a hash?
22:58 < perlDreamer> no
22:58 < perlDreamer> it returns an array ref
22:59 < perlDreamer> "Returns an array reference of relative asset ids based upon rules."
22:59 < perlDreamer> that's the first line of the documentation for getLineage
23:00 < lisette> yes, sorry
23:01 < lisette> i can do this: getLineage($assetId); ?
23:02 < perlDreamer> no
23:02 < perlDreamer> getLineage is an object method
23:02 < perlDreamer> first, build an object from the assetId, then use the getLineage method to retrieve information from it.
23:03 < lisette> but this can be without parameter?
23:03 < perlDreamer> Sometimes.  It depends on what kind of information you want from getLineage.
23:03 < perlDreamer> I would read through the documentation very carefully
23:03 < perlDreamer> several times
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23:12 < perlDreamer> bopbop, are you around?
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23:53 <@bopbop>  perldreamer: I'm back
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00:07 < perlDreamer> I figured it out
00:07 < perlDreamer> packages don't contain metadata
00:07 < perlDreamer> or keywords
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00:08 <@preaction> perlDreamer, sounds like a bug to me :(
00:08 < topsub> hey everyone
00:08 < perlDreamer> no, no more bugs
00:11 <@preaction> i just fixed two that you didn't know we had, does that mean i get to add two now?
00:12 < perlDreamer> preaction: which two?
00:12 <@preaction> there was an issue with the new Export to HTML mechanism and the new Widget macro
00:12 < perlDreamer> okay, I just came across a tangential bug so I wanted to make sure we're not stepping on each other's toes.
00:13 <@preaction> the Export to HTML re-used a single session to try to export multiple assets, but there are certain flags that get set during a request that need to be unset
00:13 <@preaction> like session->style->sentHeader
00:13 < perlDreamer> If you ask Keywords for all the assets that have the same keyword as a reference asset, and the reference asset doesn't have any keywords, then you get a list of all assets with any keywords
00:13 <@preaction> basically: An instance of a WebGUI::Session object is supposed to only have one default asset and one www_ method called on that default asset
00:14 <@preaction> heh, whoops
00:14 < perlDreamer> it's okay, I'll just build in a short circuit check.
00:19 < perlDreamer> bug--
00:19 <@rizen> perlDreamer it should return an empty list then
00:19 < perlDreamer> that's what it does
00:19 < perlDreamer> ...new
00:19 < perlDreamer> new
00:19 < perlDreamer> now
00:19 < perlDreamer> stoopid fingers
00:19 <@rizen> as always, you rock
00:20 <@rizen> i might as well go kill myself, i'm so not needed anymore
00:20 <@rizen> =)
00:20 < perlDreamer> heh, yeah right
00:20 < perlDreamer> Who else is going to do the books every week?
00:20 <@preaction> or all those conferences?
00:20 <@preaction> who will be the imposing visage that graces The Black Blog?
00:21 < perlDreamer> rizen: Did you fix this bug already: http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/transactions-appear-w/-no-item#IJsQljyGG98V-GnZ3OUykw
00:22 < perlDreamer> need to $dayJob for a while now, but I'll be listening in
00:29 <@rizen> no
00:30 <@rizen> i haven't fixed a single bug in a week or so because i'm apparently a lazy bastard who does nothing but accounting and attends trade shows
00:30 < perlDreamer> and practices conference speeches
00:35 < CIA-6> WebGUI: doug * r7007 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): 
00:35 < CIA-6> WebGUI: fixed: issue with asset export HTML and putting head tags ABOVE <!doctype> and <html> tags. Now creates
00:35 < CIA-6> WebGUI: a new session for each asset that it exports.
00:35 < CIA-6> WebGUI: fixed: Widget gear now does not move user to a different part of the page
00:35 < CIA-6> WebGUI: added a nice error message when the Widget macro can't find a URL.
00:35 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r7008 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Keyword.pm): Fix a bug in the Keyword package where it would return a list of all assetIds with keywords if a reference asset with no keywords was passed in
00:37 <@rizen> i have a new goal in life: suck less than preaction
00:40 <@rizen> it's going to be difficult since he sucks so very little
00:40 <@rizen> but i think i can do it
00:40 <@tabb> I believe in you rizen!
00:40 <@tabb> You can do it.
00:40 < lisett1> i have a workflow and i getting the assetId by this way  my $asset_properties = $self->session->{_asset}->{_properties}->{"assetId"}; and sometimes works and other not, what happend? what i must do for fix it?
00:45 <@bopbop> juan: are you around still?
00:56 <@preaction> lisett1, workflows should not have default assets (which is why $self->session->{_asset} will not work all the time)
00:56 <@preaction> also, you should not be using that anyway, which is why it begins with an underscore: "_asset"
00:57 <@preaction> same with _properties
00:57 < perlDreamer> yeah $self->session->asset->get() is much better
00:57 < lisett1> ok, getId?
00:58 <@preaction> getId would work, yes
00:58 <@preaction> but still, workflow runner requests should not have a default asset ($session->asset)
00:58 <@preaction> and if it does, that shouldn't be the asset you're looking for
00:59 < lisett1> i need the assetId of the CS
01:03 < perlDreamer> preaction: some perspective.  They are trying to make an XML file for a flash player, like a subset of a CS'es RSS.  To do this, we made several suggestions, they picked writing a workflow.  So, she needs to get the CS object into the Workflow.
01:05 < topsub> for the viewProfile page will we be allow to pull each variable out vs just having one loop we can't control?
01:05 < perlDreamer> no
01:05 < perlDreamer> just the loop
01:05 < perlDreamer> no by-name interface
01:06 < topsub> hmm wonder if thats a good RFE would allow alot of control for that page
01:06 < topsub> like sql reports
01:07 < perlDreamer> You usually have a lot more profile fields than SQL Report columns
01:07 < perlDreamer> it seems unwieldy to me
01:07 < perlDreamer> but that's just my opinion
01:07 < topsub> hmm maybe i can wrap some css around things
01:08 < topsub> my images are huge i guess i need to turn down the thumbnails or something
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01:28 < lisett1> this $self->session->asset->get() don't work
01:32 < lisett1> sorry
01:32 < lisett1> i found the error!
01:33 < perlDreamer> what's the error?
01:36 < lisett1> jajajaja :-[
01:36 < lisett1> i forgot call the package WebGUI::Asset!!
01:36 < perlDreamer> we've all made that mistake
01:37 < perlDreamer> you shouldn't be embarrassed.
01:38 < lisett1> mmmm
01:38 < lisett1> yes, but this error is very easy...
01:39 < perlDreamer> Think of it this way.
01:39 < perlDreamer> As a beginner, you should make beginner's mistakes.
01:39 < perlDreamer> So really, you're doing fine
01:39 < perlDreamer> 6 months from now, if you keep making that mistake, it is time to be embarrassed :)
01:41 < lisett1> mmmm, pues si!
01:41 < lisett1> de los errores es que se aprende!
01:41 < perlDreamer> exactamente
01:42 < perlDreamer> I heard this line in a movie last night.  The reason we fall down is so we learn how to get back up.
01:42 <+perlmonkey2> from the errors is what you learn?
01:43 <+perlmonkey2> how
01:45 < lisett1> corrigiendolos e intentar no cometerlos nuevamente
01:45 < topsub> perlDreamer, that deeps.. lol
01:46  * perlmonkey2 wonders whatever happened to the translation software supposed to be built into all linux apps like aspell is.
01:47 < perlDreamer> topsub:  if it's good enough for Thomas Wayne, it's good enough for me
01:49 <+perlmonkey2> has anyone tried to use a machine translator to do first pass work for the IL8N and then the translators will only hav eto touch it up.
01:49 < perlDreamer> I think preaction has been doing that with the French translation
01:49 <+perlmonkey2> cool
01:49 < perlDreamer> but in general, it's so bad that you wouldn't want the raw stuff out there
01:50 <+perlmonkey2> I didn't know preaction spoke french
01:51 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: so, if you were me, would you look to write some more tests or go digging for a JS related bug to resovle?
01:51 < perlDreamer> bus
01:51 < perlDreamer> bugs
01:51 <+perlmonkey2> $work just go their stupid package :P
01:52 < perlDreamer> ?
01:52 <+perlmonkey2> I just finished what they needed me to do.
01:52 < perlDreamer> fix bugs
01:52 <+perlmonkey2> csv file 30,000+ columns and 2,300 rows of data.  I hope SPSS can handle it.
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01:57 < lisett1> i have this http://webgui.pastebin.com/d7735e866, and i shows me the next error when i do a post... 2008/07/18 17:53:58 - WARN - www.pruebas.com.conf - Log::Log4perl::Layout::PatternLayout::render[[undef]] - entro al execute***************************
01:57 < lisett1> 2008/07/18 17:53:58 - ERROR - www.pruebas.com.conf - Log::Log4perl::Layout::PatternLayout::render[[undef]] - Caught exception executing workflow activity lUmDz4RxK1o5O1IhmU6y7w for instance 1YyciMwv7-g0Ov7-9lnmpA which reported Can't call method "getId" on an undefined value at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/Prueba.pm line 86.
01:58 < lisett1> i don't know hot to fix it
01:58 < lisett1> how
01:58 < perlDreamer> in the Activity, you have some variable
01:59 < perlDreamer> and you're trying to call ->getId on it
01:59 < perlDreamer> but the variable does not hold an object, it only holds undef
02:00 < lisett1> the only getId is my $assetId = $self->session->asset->getId;
02:00 < perlDreamer> that would be the one then
02:00 < perlDreamer> You cannot always assume that $self->session will have an asset inside it
02:01 < lisett1> and then how to do?
02:01 < perlDreamer> how to get to the CS that you want?
02:02 < lisett1> i need obtain the postId for obtain the storageId
02:02 < perlDreamer> right, but to get the posts, you have to get the CS first, right?
02:03 < lisett1> yes
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02:04 < perlDreamer> so the real question is how to get the CS.  Once you have the CS, you know how to get to the Posts?
02:04 < lisett1> yes
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02:19 < metanil> does wreservice need to be start by super user (root)??
02:21 <+perlmonkey2> metanil: well it will need to run as a user will access to privleged ports.
02:21 < perlDreamer> lisett1: You will have to tell the Activity which CS it has to work on directly.
02:21 < lisett1> yes
02:22 < metanil> perlmonkey2: you mean using sudo ./wreservice.pl ?
02:26 < perlDreamer> lisette, I'm bouncing back and forth between my regular job, and IRC, so I won't be able to spend much time helping today.
02:26 < perlDreamer> In the CS, trace the code to see when it is added as a new asset to the sytem.
02:26 < perlDreamer> You'll see it creates a Workflow Activity called GetCSEmail, or something similar.
02:26 < perlDreamer> You will need to tell your Prueba Workflow Activity the assetId of the CS in the same way.
02:32 < lisett1> ok, thanks, i see the GetCSEmail
02:33 < metanil> I am upgrading to new WebGUI stable version including wre.
02:33 < metanil> i already setup wre.
02:33 < metanil> i need to get everything from old Webgui machine to this newer one.
02:33 < metanil> how would i approach?
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02:40 < metanil> its a little bit complex because.. i am upgrading to new machine with new WebGUI and WRE.  I am also going to change the site name.. any help?
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04:22 < topsub> transfer the site over then run the upgrade script on it
04:22 < topsub> the .conf files
04:22 < topsub> import the database
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04:57 <+perlmonkey2> preaction: you awake?
05:33 <@preaction> perlmonkey2, in a manner of speaking
05:33 <+perlmonkey2> okay
05:34 <+perlmonkey2> if email addys are made optional for users, self reging two users with no email addys throws an error that there is a dupe.
05:34 <+perlmonkey2> Do we allow no email addy and break CS and anything else tha tneeds it?  Or disallow it?
05:36 <@preaction> i think the consensus for fixing that bug was "If e-mail is not required and is not some true value, continue. otherwise, error"
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05:52 <+perlmonkey2> preaction: I'm having problems parsing that statement.  If email not required and not some true value, continue, else error.  Why does it matter about the true value if email is not required?
05:52 < perlDreamer> note to fellow bug crushers, I'm working on the subscription bugs
05:52 <@preaction> because the problem is now: email is not required, email is false (the empty string), you get the error about "duplicate e-mail detected"
05:53 <@preaction> instead, if e-mail is not a required field, and if e-mail is false, that error should not be displayed
05:54 <+perlmonkey2> k
05:57 < perlDreamer> anyone seen rizen in a while?
05:58 <+perlmonkey2> 6:36 he left
05:59 < perlDreamer> grrrr
06:00 <+perlmonkey2> Oh, if you need any important decisions made concerning the fate and direction of WG, just ask me.
06:00 <+perlmonkey2> :D
06:00 < perlDreamer> okay.
06:00 < perlDreamer> can I send you a screen shot?
06:01 <+perlmonkey2> hah, dude, I keed I keed
06:03 < perlDreamer> actually, I was serious.
06:03 < perlDreamer> I work better with second opinions on some stuff
06:03 < perlDreamer> on this bug: http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/manage-subscription-code-batches-names-of-batches-not-displayed#6x243mJqxcSwMiuhMRU7-g
06:04 < perlDreamer> I was wondering if she wants the name instead of the description, or both.
06:04 <+perlmonkey2> j/s let me read it
06:05 <+perlmonkey2> Both would seem better.
06:05 <+perlmonkey2> But I don't know the screen or if there is real estate to have both.
06:07 < perlDreamer> It's a 4 column layout, it should be okay.
06:08 < perlDreamer> bug--
06:08 < perlDreamer> perlbot: karma bug
06:08 < perlbot> Karma for bug: -12
06:08 < perlDreamer> perlbot: karma bugs
06:08 < perlbot> Karma for bugs: -3
06:11 <+perlmonkey2> bugs++
06:12 < perlDreamer> you found a bug, or created one?
06:12 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r7009 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): add batch name to the manage batches screen in the subscription
06:13 <+perlmonkey2> oh, that is for keeping track of bugs?
06:14 <+perlmonkey2> I was just giving it more karma
06:15 < perlDreamer> it's pretty informal
06:30 < perlDreamer> aarrggghh!
06:38 < perlDreamer> bugs--
06:39 <+perlmonkey2> bah, I can't even find where email duplicates are checked.  And I just found another bug.  If you are persistant, you can eventually create the user even without entering the email.  The second attempt creates the user.
06:41 <+perlmonkey2> The only place I can find email dup checking is in Profile.pm...has to be it
06:42  * perlDreamer refrains from commenting on the craziness of making email addresses optional
06:42 <+perlmonkey2> yeah, well fixing this bug is going to be crazy
06:43 <@preaction> perlmonkey2, the second attempt is supposed to create the user
06:43 <+perlmonkey2> Auth/WebGUI is where the decision is made, but that is passed back from profile
06:43 <+perlmonkey2> but somehow the information about that entry being optional needs to be inserted.
06:44 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r7010 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): change i18n labels in the listSubscriptionCodes screen to try and clear things up
06:48 <+perlmonkey2> is there a built in way to check userProfileField or should I just do a quickScalar db call?
06:50 < perlDreamer> what do you mean by check?
06:50 < perlDreamer> from a user?
06:50 <+perlmonkey2> I need to see if email is a required field
06:50 <+perlmonkey2> when creating a user 
06:51 < perlDreamer> ah, try the ProfileField class :)
06:51 < perlDreamer> once you have the object, you can ask it?
06:51 <+perlmonkey2> from Operation/Profile.
06:51 < perlDreamer> no, WebGUI::ProfileField
06:51 < perlDreamer> not to be confused with WebGUI::ProfileCategory
06:51 <+perlmonkey2> I was saying where I was needing it from
06:52 < perlDreamer> sorry
06:52 <+perlmonkey2> so it is not an object in the session.  I need to instantiate a new object and query it?
06:52 < perlDreamer> yes
06:52 <+perlmonkey2> wouldn't it be more efficient just to query the db directly?
06:53 < perlDreamer> That's why encapsulation was invented
06:54 < perlDreamer> or you can check to see if it is in the getRequiredFields class method.
06:54 <+perlmonkey2> hmm WegGUI::ProfileField->new($session,'email')->required(); is easier to type I guess :P
06:56 < perlDreamer> $session->db->quickScalar('select 1 from userProfileField where fieldName='email' and isRequired=1');
06:56 < perlDreamer> eh, about equivalent
06:56 <+perlmonkey2> the 2nd is a lot faster and uses less resources, but I'm not one to argue overly much :P
07:00 < perlDreamer> that's good, because arguing senseless points is usually my job
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07:00 <+perlmonkey2> ah, is WebGUI::ProfileField a singleton?
07:00 < perlDreamer> no
07:00 <+perlmonkey2> I'm seing it used without being instantiated.
07:01 < perlDreamer> where?
07:01 <+perlmonkey2> Operation::Profile 65
07:01 < perlDreamer> that's a class method
07:01 <+perlmonkey2> :oh
07:01 <+perlmonkey2> I'm a bit beer adled.
07:02 <+perlmonkey2> was just calling the method
07:02 <+perlmonkey2> not on an object
07:04 < perlDreamer> well, if you tried to call it on an object it would puke
07:05 <+perlmonkey2> ah, first param is the class
07:06 < perlDreamer> it might work, as long as you called it as $field->($session, 'email');
07:06 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: you got a sec to tell me if you think this should be tested somehow besides turning on and off email as required and trying to add users?
07:07 <+perlmonkey2> Operation/Profile.pm line 173:         } elsif ($field->getId eq "email" && isDuplicateEmail($session,$data{$field->getId}) && WebGUI::ProfileField->new($session, "email")->isRequired() ) {
07:07 <+perlmonkey2> That works for when email is required and not required as expected.  But there will obviously be downstream bugs when there are users without email addys.
07:08 < perlDreamer> yeah
07:08 < perlDreamer> lots of them
07:08 < perlDreamer> I think you should add a blurb to the gotchas.txt file about it
07:08 <+perlmonkey2> okay, will do
07:08 < perlDreamer> then we can say, "I told you so!"
07:08 <+perlmonkey2> hah!
07:08 < perlDreamer> then someone will RFE it back out
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07:09 <+perlmonkey2> I'm on the fence on this one.  I can see WG being used with anon users who don't want/need emails
07:09 <+perlmonkey2> whups, he was for it.
07:09 < perlDreamer> it doesn't check to see if the email was real
07:09 <+perlmonkey2> hope he isn't mad
07:09 < perlDreamer> no, that's a connection time out
07:10 <+perlmonkey2> oh
07:10 < perlDreamer> preaction would say something about it
07:10 < perlDreamer> he wouldn't just leave
07:10 <+perlmonkey2> should we add email validation?
07:10 <+perlmonkey2> or RFE it?
07:10 < perlDreamer> I think that's in there, but it's optional
07:10 < perlDreamer> you can require email validation, or captcha validation, iirc
07:11 < perlDreamer> webguiValidateEmail
07:12 < perlDreamer> in Auth::WebGUI
07:12 <+perlmonkey2> ah yes, another optional field
07:12 <+perlmonkey2> okay, I'll add in the gothchas and all it good.
07:12 < perlDreamer> dying from Joker gas would suck
07:12 <+perlmonkey2> you watching a trailer?
07:12 < perlDreamer> Batman, The Animated Series marathon
07:13 < perlDreamer> on Toon Disney
07:16 <+perlmonkey2> Toon Disney is showing people die?
07:18 <+perlmonkey2> I wonder if there is a hidden button to close tickets or if I just don't have da POWER
07:19 < perlDreamer> You need one closed?
07:19 <+perlmonkey2> http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/marking-email-as-unrequired-causes-duplicate-email-when-registering
07:20 < perlDreamer> closed
07:21 <+perlmonkey2> gracias
07:21 <+perlmonkey2> I keep see bugs get closed, but the bug list always seems larger and full of more difficult bugs.
07:21 < perlDreamer> no new bugs for several hours
07:21 < perlDreamer> Do you want an easy one to fix?
07:22 <+perlmonkey2> easy is a relative term when it comes to me :P
07:22 <+perlmonkey2> but sure.
07:22 < perlDreamer> Try the Gallery templates one I submitted today.
07:22 < perlDreamer> Just find the template, figure out what the labels should say, and either add them to the i18n or change the template to use some other, existing i18n label.
07:23 < perlDreamer> after you're done, run the t/i18/templates.t test to verify it's fixed
07:24 < perlDreamer> then, here's the tricky part
07:24 < perlDreamer> If you changed i18n, then just add a note to the changelog and commit
07:24 <+perlmonkey2> okay
07:25 < perlDreamer> if you changed a template, make it a package (in the metadata tab of the asset properties screen), export it, and add it to the docs/upgrades/packages-7.5.18 directory
07:25 <+perlmonkey2> sounds simple enough, a monkey could probably do it.  Expect me to fail miserably :P
07:25 < perlDreamer> Quick!  More beer, he's getting depressed.
07:26 < perlDreamer> Actually, shouldn't you be cozying up to your wife about now?  It's pretty late out there.
07:26 <+perlmonkey2> it took me so long to respond because I went for another cookie, which my wife had burned, so they require copious amounts of beer to make them less brick like :P
07:26 < perlDreamer> you better hope she doesn't read over your shoulder
07:26 <+perlmonkey2> hah, I already got in trouble for comparing them to charcoal bricks
07:26 <+perlmonkey2> but she's good natured like that.
07:26 < perlDreamer> she's a doctor, or a student?
07:26 <+perlmonkey2> doctor
07:27 < perlDreamer> I have another friend whose wife is a veterinarian.
07:27 < perlDreamer> he came to band practice one day, looking a little pale and shaky
07:27 <+perlmonkey2> she isn't a MD, she's a PhD
07:27 <+perlmonkey2> ut oh
07:27 < perlDreamer> apparently, he had said something slightly off color
07:27 < perlDreamer> and she threatened to reroute his ureter
07:28 <+perlmonkey2> dear lord.....that is just evil!  
07:28 < perlDreamer> what is your wife a doctor of?
07:28 <+perlmonkey2> when a lady, in full qualifications, threatens to alter your plumbing, it is high time to correct whatever it is about yourself which has displeased your queen.
07:29 <+perlmonkey2> composition and Rhetoric.
07:29 <+perlmonkey2> She teaches multi-modal writing, logic, and plato :P
07:29 < perlDreamer> wow
07:29 < perlDreamer> that's one smart lady
07:30 < perlDreamer> but comparatively, it sounds like your ureter is safe
07:31 <+perlmonkey2> she always wanted to teach in a small rural school to help disadvantaged kids, so she sees a lot of kids with little to zero knowledge of how to communicate non-verbally, let alone do it with a webpage or some other media.  Their logic skills are usually horribly lacking.
07:32 <+perlmonkey2> So hopefully she makes a difference in a few kids lives.
07:32 <+perlmonkey2> most of the profs at the school are like that, so it is a pretty cool bunch of people who are at that uni just to help kids from the sticks.
07:38 < perlDreamer> that's very cool
07:40 <+perlmonkey2> You said you added the bug today, I don't see a gallery bug today.
07:40 <+perlmonkey2> colink?
07:40 < perlDreamer> yup
07:40 < perlDreamer> that's me
07:41 < perlDreamer> first bug in the list
07:41 <+perlmonkey2> groovy :)
07:41 < perlDreamer> I'm schizo
07:42 <+perlmonkey2> an EE who spends a bunch of time working on a FOSS CMS might just be a bit schizo :)
07:43 < CIA-6> WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r7011 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Users who self register without emails being required and leave the email entry blank, no long receive an error from duplicate emails. Fixed.
07:43 < perlDreamer> did I mention that I also play tuba?
07:43 <+perlmonkey2> hah, that is cool
07:44 <+perlmonkey2> Actively play it?  In a band?
07:44 < perlDreamer> yeah
07:44 <+perlmonkey2> Jazz?  Big band?  Concerts?
07:44 < perlDreamer> church band, about 20 people
07:44 <+perlmonkey2> That is a pretty large band.
07:45 <+perlmonkey2> Play only Sundays, or other venues?
07:45 < perlDreamer> just Sundays
07:46 <+perlmonkey2> I don't know that I've ever been to a service with brass in the music.  Guitars, drums but not brass.
07:47 < perlDreamer> we play classical, gospel  and as much rock as they'll let us
07:47 <+perlmonkey2> Sounds like a lot of fun, actually.
07:49 <+perlmonkey2> I used to