--- Log opened Sun Jun 01 00:00:07 2008 00:10 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:19 < CIA-6> WebGUI: jt * r6545 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Search/Index.pm Shop/Transaction.pm Asset/Sku.pm): some minor enhancements 00:28 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@wsip-70-164-69-210.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 01:07 < Samus_Aran> thanks all, be back later 01:07 -!- Samus_Aran [n=ILL@about/linux/supportwhirlwind/SamusAran] has left #WebGUI ["onwards I go ..."] 01:19 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #webgui 01:19 -!- mode/#webgui [+v MrHairgrease] by ChanServ 02:49 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has left #webgui [] 04:24 -!- patspam [n=patspam@ppp121-44-199-246.lns3.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined #webgui 06:36 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@wsip-70-164-69-210.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #webgui 06:36 -!- mode/#webgui [+o perlmonkey2] by ChanServ 07:07 -!- f00li5h [n=f00li5h@unaffiliated/f00li5h] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:08 -!- f00li5h [n=f00li5h@c211-30-187-137.thorn1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #webgui 07:46 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@wsip-70-164-69-210.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 08:28 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 09:13 -!- itnomad [n=jack@pdpc/supporter/professional/itnomad] has quit ["Leaving"] 09:17 -!- patspam [n=patspam@ppp121-44-199-246.lns3.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:17 -!- patspam [n=patspam@ppp121-44-199-246.lns3.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined #webgui 09:31 -!- patspam [n=patspam@ppp121-44-199-246.lns3.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:32 -!- patspam [n=patspam@ppp121-44-199-246.lns3.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined #webgui 09:38 -!- patspam [n=patspam@ppp121-44-199-246.lns3.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:39 -!- patspam [n=patspam@ppp121-44-199-246.lns3.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined #webgui 09:41 -!- patspam [n=patspam@ppp121-44-199-246.lns3.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:42 -!- patspam [n=patspam@ppp121-44-199-246.lns3.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined #webgui 10:00 -!- preaction [n=doug@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui 10:00 -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ 10:51 -!- Radix__ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit ["Windows doesn't have users, it has hostages."] 12:19 -!- preaction [n=doug@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 12:32 -!- preaction [n=doug@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui 12:32 -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ 12:49 -!- preaction [n=doug@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 16:42 -!- patspam [n=patspam@ppp121-44-199-246.lns3.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 17:15 -!- khenn [n=khenn@66-190-50-137.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 18:30 -!- AlmightyHen [n=henaro@c-66-56-60-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 18:32 -!- AlmightyHen [n=henaro@c-66-56-60-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has left #webgui ["Leaving"] 18:33 -!- khenn [n=khenn@66-190-50-137.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #WebGUI 18:34 -!- mode/#webgui [+o khenn] by ChanServ 18:42 -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-245-101-253.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has joined #webgui 18:42 < perlDreamer> is pb.com down? 18:43 < perlDreamer> I can't get to webgui.org, or talk to the svn server 18:49 < nuba> oops 18:51 < perlDreamer> when JT says feature freeze, he _means_ feature freeze! 18:51 < perlDreamer> No new code will be committed! 18:52 < perlDreamer> time to hack the laptop. A friend of my son jumped on it, and now the LCD bezel isn't rotating smoothly. 18:52 -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-245-101-253.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 19:17 -!- itnomad [n=jack@pdpc/supporter/professional/itnomad] has joined #webgui 21:53 -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui 21:53 -!- mode/#webgui [+v Radix_] by ChanServ 23:07 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #webgui 23:08 -!- mode/#webgui [+v MrHairgrease] by ChanServ 23:10 <+Radix_> webgui.org dead? 23:10 <+MrHairgrease> seems so 23:10 <+Radix_> hey martin 23:11 <+MrHairgrease> ah 23:11 <+MrHairgrease> http://plainblack.com/index.html 23:11 <+MrHairgrease> hey jesse 23:11 <+MrHairgrease> how are you 23:12 <+Radix_> I'm good.. about to head off to bed actually :) 23:12 <+MrHairgrease> huh 23:12 <+Radix_> 4am here 23:12 <+MrHairgrease> where are you then? 23:12 <+MrHairgrease> ah 23:12 <+MrHairgrease> i see 23:13 <+MrHairgrease> you've been partying? 23:13 <+Radix_> drank too much coke at the party tonight, so it kept me awake 23:13 <+Radix_> yeah 23:13 <+MrHairgrease> coke? 23:13 <+MrHairgrease> i see it's time you came to the Netherlands again 23:13 <+Radix_> I don't drink tea or coffee at all.. and dont drink soft drink really except at parties 23:13 <+MrHairgrease> lot's of coffee here 23:13 <+MrHairgrease> and beer at parties 23:14 <+Radix_> so when I drink coca cola the caffeine hits me and i'm generally awake until late ;) 23:14 <+MrHairgrease> heh 23:14 <+MrHairgrease> I almost never drink coke 23:14 <+MrHairgrease> sometime I'll buy a can or so 23:14 <+MrHairgrease> but then again, i don't have any problems sleeping 23:15 <+MrHairgrease> anyway, good night 23:15 <+MrHairgrease> and say hello to the dutch guy with the weird name foe me 23:15 <+MrHairgrease> for* 23:15 <+Radix_> heh 23:15 <+Radix_> He's back in holland now actually 23:16 <+Radix_> left the company just before christmas 23:17 <+MrHairgrease> what was his name again? 23:17 <+MrHairgrease> i forgot 23:17 <+Radix_> Gooitzen 23:17 <+MrHairgrease> oh yeah 23:19 <+Radix_> anyhow.. i really should head off to bed.. nite ;) 23:35 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@wsip-70-164-69-210.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #webgui 23:35 -!- mode/#webgui [+o perlmonkey2] by ChanServ 23:36 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:37 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #webgui 23:37 -!- mode/#webgui [+v MrHairgrease] by ChanServ 23:40 -!- cap10morgan [n=cap10mor@206-124-6-65.denver.dsl.forethought.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:43 -!- cap10morgan [n=cap10mor@206-124-6-65.denver.dsl.forethought.net] has joined #webgui 23:52 -!- cap10morgan [n=cap10mor@206-124-6-65.denver.dsl.forethought.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:52 -!- cap10morgan_ [n=cap10mor@206-124-6-65.denver.dsl.forethought.net] has joined #webgui 23:58 -!- cap10morgan_ [n=cap10mor@206-124-6-65.denver.dsl.forethought.net] has quit [] --- Day changed Mon Jun 02 2008 00:08 -!- cap10morgan [n=cap10mor@206-124-6-65.denver.dsl.forethought.net] has joined #webgui 00:10 -!- itnomad [n=jack@pdpc/supporter/professional/itnomad] has quit ["Leaving"] 00:41 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui 00:41 -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ 01:33 <@perlmonkey2> is there a specific place I need to put the templates used in the new survey, or should they just go in the sql upgrade? And where do I put the logic for upgrading old surveys to the new version? 01:34 <+MrHairgrease> put the templates in a packe 01:34 <+MrHairgrease> package* 01:34 <+MrHairgrease> and put that in docs/upgrades/packages-76.5.11 01:34 <+MrHairgrease> 7.5.11 01:35 <+MrHairgrease> the logic goes into the upgrade-7.5.10-7.5.11 file in docs/upgrades 01:37 <@perlmonkey2> the packages look like binaries? 01:37 <@preaction> they are binaries 01:37 <@preaction> they're tarred 01:38 <@preaction> use the webgui interface to make the packages 01:38 <@perlmonkey2> oay 01:38 <@perlmonkey2> k 01:38 <@preaction> they're JSON hashes, which are tarred (and maybe gzipped) 01:39 <@perlmonkey2> the db schema I put into the beta will be unchangeable until the next beta, right? 01:39 <@preaction> see lib/WebGUI/AssetPackage for more info. and for a future addition you might want to override the importAssetData and exportAssetData routines to add collateral data 01:39 <@preaction> db schema is not an API, so you can change it, add to it, whatever 01:39 <@perlmonkey2> k 01:39 <@preaction> (rather, it's not covered by the API freeze, but it is kinda an api) 01:39 <@apeiron> preaction, I would argue that the API hides the DB. 01:40 <@apeiron> Ideally, there shouldn't be any SQL in anything but a few modules. 01:40 <@preaction> eh. my opinion is there are four APIs, the module API, the DB, the URL, and the templates 01:40 <@apeiron> bleh. That promotes SQL to the status of 'programming language'. 01:41 <@preaction> the idea is that anything you can't specifically prevent, you have to plan for 01:41 * apeiron kicks it to the curb 01:41 <@preaction> no. it just means that changing the data in the database is possible outside of the module API 01:41 <@preaction> it's just not a good idea 01:43 <@perlmonkey2> so as long as the publicly (www_) avaialable methods don't change input and returns, anything goes? 01:43 <@preaction> no. all the module API has to remain backwards-compatible 01:43 <@preaction> so getSurveyQuestion or whatever you have going for those 01:44 <@preaction> www_ methods don't usually get called with arguments, but if they have them, they're covered too 01:45 <@perlmonkey2> GET and POST don't count as part of the API/ 01:45 <@perlmonkey2> ? 01:45 <+MrHairgrease> well, technically assets are not covered by the API freeze 01:45 <+MrHairgrease> since their only plugins 01:45 <@preaction> ah, that too 01:45 <+MrHairgrease> only Asset.pm and Wobject.pm are 01:46 <@preaction> you don't really have to worry, assets aren't under freeze 01:46 <+MrHairgrease> since they provide the framework for most assets 01:47 -!- MrHairgrease is now known as MrAfkGrease 01:59 -!- metanil [n=akhadka@137.48.138.26] has joined #webgui 02:04 <@perlmonkey2> oh man, so as sucky as it is that I don't have the survey absolutely perfect, it isn't the end of the world and I'll still have a bit of time to wrap it up. 02:13 -!- Radix__ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui 02:13 -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:19 < metanil> is there any AJAX library available in webgui? 02:20 <@preaction> YUI connection 02:20 <@preaction> www/extras/yui/build/connection/ 02:22 < metanil> is webgui.org is working for you guys.. both plainblack and webgui.org is not working .. (at least from my machine) 02:23 <@preaction> did you read the message? 02:24 < metanil> i have to wait then. :( 02:24 -!- patspam [n=patspam@ppp59-167-83-180.lns2.mel6.internode.on.net] has joined #webgui 02:24 <@preaction> if you don't see a message than your DNS is old. we're having data center problems 02:25 < metanil> oh! 02:26 <@preaction> well, plainblack.com shows the message. webgui.org is pointing to a dead IP, and I don't want to go through and change everything on our nameserver to point to the message 02:34 <+MrAfkGrease> good luck with the colo trouble 02:34 <+MrAfkGrease> I'm heading off 02:34 -!- MrAfkGrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has left #webgui [] 03:57 < metanil> preaction: is that the yahoo user interface? 04:13 <@preaction> metanil, yes. 04:15 < metanil> i can see its providing its own object like menu, btton, autocomplete 04:16 < metanil> (i know this question doesn't belongs to here).. is there anyway to do simple AJAX request/receive using YUI (if there's any) 04:18 <@preaction> yes, YUI Connection, exactly where i told you it was. look at the YUI documentation, look for the Connection module 04:26 <@perlmonkey2> metanil: YUI offers several ways to do ajax, all of them simple and wrapped in a nice event handler. 04:27 < metanil> thanks preaction... awesome.. this is what i need http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/examples/connection/get.html 04:27 < metanil> at least to start with 04:27 < metanil> thanks again 04:27 < metanil> :) 04:29 < metanil> perlmonkey2: Indeed indeed.. i am looking at it.. too easy... woot!!! 04:31 <@perlmonkey2> if there is a web interface to create packages, I haven't been able to find it. 04:38 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 04:38 <@perlmonkey2> Hmm, why wouldn't I put the templates in the upgrades/templates folder? Is it the normal way to add a new package? 04:55 < metanil> i created an asset, now i want that asset to include some javascript, ( i can do it manually going through template page).. but i want to do it in general way 04:58 < metanil> oops.. let me backup that question. 04:59 < metanil> ( i shouldn't be asking that question) :D 05:11 < Radix__> Anyone know if the plainblack.com/webgui.org datacenter fire is related to ThePlanet datacenter explosion? 05:12 < Radix__> http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/06/01/1715247&from=rss 05:19 < SDuensin> Data center fire?! 05:20 < SDuensin> Egads. 05:20 < patspam> ouch 05:49 < metanil> oops 05:55 -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-245-101-253.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has joined #webgui 06:19 < perlDreamer> any further updates about the data center yet? 06:25 <@apeiron> perlDreamer, http://forums.theplanet.com/index.php?showtopic=90185&st=0 06:25 <@apeiron> perlDreamer, Note, it's been Slashdotted, so may be slow. 06:25 < perlDreamer> yeah, it's slow 06:26 < perlDreamer> If there's anything I can do to help you guys, please let me know 06:27 <@apeiron> perlDreamer, Not that I can think of, unfortunately. Nothing PB can do either. 06:36 < perlDreamer> I'll pray. 06:46 -!- Haarg [n=haarg@24-196-80-80.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui 06:46 -!- mode/#webgui [+o Haarg] by ChanServ 06:46 < perlDreamer> and I'll write tests 06:46 < perlDreamer> I do that when I'm nervous 06:59 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@wsip-70-164-69-210.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 07:05 -!- apeiron changed the topic of #webgui to: [ WebGUI 7.4.35-stable / 7.5.10-beta | WRE 0.8.3 ] Before you ask, check the wiki: http://wiki.webgui.org | Pastebin: http://webgui.pastebin.com/ | Find JT and PB at YAPC::NA, buy tickets now! http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2008 | Datacenter status: http://forums.theplanet.com/index.php?showtopic=90185&st=20 Be patient, it's been Slashdotted. 07:09 < perlDreamer> okay, I need some WebGUI help with the new version control settings 07:09 < perlDreamer> anyone still awake? 07:13 <@apeiron> I am, but not sure how helpful I'll be in that regard as I'm not intimately familiar with that particular bit of wG. 07:13 < perlDreamer> well, this would be easier if I could show you the code and test 07:14 < perlDreamer> but basically, it's the product import subroutine (Shop::Products::importProducts) 07:14 < perlDreamer> if it's tries to import a product that is locked, it skips it 07:14 <@apeiron> I have a somewhat recent SVN checkout, will take a look. 07:14 < perlDreamer> so in my test, I put a product with two variants. 07:15 < perlDreamer> I _thought_ with autocommit turned on, that addChild would autocommit the asset, leaving it available for the next variant to be added. 07:15 < perlDreamer> but the product appears to be locked 07:15 < perlDreamer> and I don't know why 07:15 < perlDreamer> and during my test script, it complains that it can't talk to spectre 07:16 <@apeiron> Maybe you need to $asset->commit it? 07:29 < perlDreamer> I'll try it 07:30 < perlDreamer> that did it! 07:31 < perlDreamer> apeiron: you rock! 07:37 < perlDreamer> well, the good news is that importProducts is now tested and works 07:37 < perlDreamer> the bad news is that y'all just have to take my word for it for a little while 07:37 < perlDreamer> and this is undoubtedly the best reason I've heard for distributed version control 07:40 < patspam> yeah seems like every man and his dog is using git now 07:40 <@apeiron> perlDreamer, I don't rock, my ability to guess luckily rocks. 07:40 <@apeiron> patspam, heh 07:40 <@apeiron> patspam, There's that and the fact that developing an SCM has been a fad for the last few years. 07:40 < patspam> heh yeah true 07:41 <@apeiron> svn, svk, arch, darc, mercurial, clearcase, monotone, git 07:41 <@apeiron> etc. 07:41 <@apeiron> I probably missed a few. 07:41 < patspam> someone did a git demo at my perlmongers meeting, looked pretty cool, but a bit of a mind-shift 07:41 <@apeiron> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_revision_control_software 07:41 < perlDreamer> new update from The Planet 07:42 <@apeiron> Heh. I refreshed it then tabbed here. 07:42 < perlDreamer> The second floor may be online tomorrow, but the first floor is really screwed 07:42 <@apeiron> No, I do not know where wG's machines are. 07:44 < perlDreamer> apeiron: regarding guessing. There's no way to tell between lucky guesses and strong intuition. 07:44 <@apeiron> perlDreamer, True. I saw that an asset (a SKU or such, it was shop related) in Asset.t was using ->commit,. 07:45 <@apeiron> So I figured I'd hazard a guess. 07:50 -!- preaction [n=doug@CPE-67-48-241-219.new.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui 07:50 -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ 08:05 -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-245-101-253.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 08:12 -!- preaction [n=doug@CPE-67-48-241-219.new.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:02 -!- AMH_bob [n=bob@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui 10:34 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui 10:34 -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ 10:58 -!- BartJol [n=plainstu@host2.procolix.com] has joined #webgui 11:46 -!- AMH_henry [n=henry@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui 12:05 -!- patspam [n=patspam@ppp59-167-83-180.lns2.mel6.internode.on.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 12:09 <@preaction> WAHOO DUSK IS BACK 12:19 < BartJol> mmm strange that the servers go down when JT's on holiday, coincidence? 12:19 -!- patspam [n=patspam@ppp59-167-83-180.lns2.mel6.internode.on.net] has joined #webgui 12:22 <@preaction> BartJol, i don't believe in coincidences. it's his pure STRENGTH OF WILL that keeps the servers in line. 12:22 <@preaction> they just don't Fear me enough... 12:23 <@preaction> but it's now 4:30am and I haven't slept well in days... so maybe I can get in a few hours before I have to figure out what we can do with Dusk but without www.plainblack.com and our shared hosting server... :p 12:23 < BartJol> good luck 12:23 < BartJol> and sleep wel preaction 12:23 <@preaction> had a good idea: move files to another server in case dusk goes back down! 12:24 < BartJol> backups are alwaus good 12:26 <@preaction> dusk is the backup server. the problem was it went down ;P 12:27 < BartJol> ah, didn't know that 12:28 <@preaction> anyway. maybe sleep. hope the other side of the pond is less interesting ;-) 12:48 -!- patspam [n=patspam@ppp59-167-83-180.lns2.mel6.internode.on.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:48 -!- patspam [n=patspam@ppp59-167-83-180.lns2.mel6.internode.on.net] has joined #webgui 14:24 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-226-44-250.client.mchsi.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 14:58 -!- AMH_henry [n=henry@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has left #webgui [] 15:47 -!- khenn [n=khenn@66-190-50-137.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [] 16:01 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@wsip-70-164-69-210.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #webgui 16:01 -!- mode/#webgui [+o perlmonkey2] by ChanServ 16:03 -!- khenn [n=khenn@66-190-50-137.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #WebGUI 16:03 -!- mode/#webgui [+o khenn] by ChanServ 16:13 < ckotil> did JT pass by the datacenter on his way out? 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17:57 <@tavisto> gah 17:59 < perlDreamer> note, there's a smaller version of the planet forum page: http://forums.theplanet.com/lofiversion/index.php/t90185.html 18:06 < BartJol> mm lot of things going up in smoke lately 18:06 < BartJol> the faculty of architectre in Delft too 18:07 < BartJol> perlDreamer, how's you back? 18:10 -!- apeiron changed the topic of #webgui to: [ WebGUI 7.4.35-stable / 7.5.10-beta | WRE 0.8.3 ] Before you ask, check the wiki: http://wiki.webgui.org | Pastebin: http://webgui.pastebin.com/ | Find JT and PB at YAPC::NA, buy tickets now! http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2008 | Datacenter status: http://forums.theplanet.com/lofiversion/index.php/t90185.html Be patient, it's been Slashdotted. 18:10 <@apeiron> perlDreamer++ Thanks. :) 18:11 < perlDreamer> BartJol: better but healing. 18:11 < BartJol> well, take it easy then 18:11 < perlDreamer> But I can pick up my kids, sleep at night and do the necessary home maintenance 18:11 < perlDreamer> so I'm not complaining :) 18:12 < BartJol> and write tests 18:12 < BartJol> ? 18:14 < perlDreamer> oh yes, test writing and Shop hacking 18:15 < BartJol> ok, then you should be ok :) 18:23 < nuba> whoa, hot stuff @ theplanet, huh? 18:24 <@apeiron> Yes indeed. 18:24 < perlDreamer> nothing like an electrical explosion to warm things up 18:27 < nuba> yeah. i was reading the other day about how data centers, and the internet, in general, contributes to global warming 18:28 < nuba> i guess it can be said this one contributes a little more than the rest 18:29 < nuba> http://green-broadband.blogspot.com/2008/05/excellent-report-on-internet-data.html 18:30 < perlDreamer> brb 18:30 -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-245-101-253.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 18:30 -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-245-101-253.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has joined #webgui 18:33 -!- itnomad [n=jack@pdpc/supporter/professional/itnomad] has joined #webgui 18:44 -!- cap10morgan [n=cap10mor@h19-afsc.ded.indra.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:44 -!- cap10morgan [n=cap10mor@h19-afsc.ded.indra.com] has joined #webgui 18:45 -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-245-101-253.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 18:59 -!- itnomad [n=jack@pdpc/supporter/professional/itnomad] has quit ["Leaving"] 19:07 -!- BartJol [n=plainstu@host2.procolix.com] has left #webgui [] 19:16 -!- topsub [n=josh@97.66.185.250] has joined #webgui 19:19 -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat039.mxim.com] has joined #webgui 19:25 < topsub> hello, i have a question about the security, how can you have someone able to edit and add new assets under lets say a folder? 19:25 < topsub> we have a folder called "pdfs" and we created a group for these users who we want to do this but we dont' want them to be able to mess with the asset tree and such 19:27 < perlDreamer> topsub: you have to find a way to make sure that 1) they can add files to the folder, but 2) aren't allowed to turn on admin 19:27 < perlDreamer> I think you can modify the default Folder template to accomodate that 19:28 < topsub> hmm 19:28 < topsub> on the folder i said "who can edit" publication editor" ( name of the group i created for these users ) 19:29 < topsub> so they can edit any pdfs fine. but not able to add file assets to this folder. does that mean i need to beef up there group or something? 19:33 < perlDreamer> topsub: I'm guessing that the template, and not the perl code, is stopping your users from adding folders. 19:33 < topsub> ah 19:34 < topsub> hmm maybe not because when i go to add a file asset it saying permission denied 19:35 < topsub> i have an interface that creates my URL for me 19:36 -!- khenn [n=khenn@66-190-50-137.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [] 19:37 < topsub> I believe i just need to figure out what says who can add assets and what says they can edit 19:37 < topsub> they have a drop down list for edit files but not for adding files under the asset 19:39 < topsub> hmm if i add the user to "Secondary Admins" they are not able to add assets. 19:47 -!- dionak [n=diona@97.66.185.250] has joined #webgui 20:14 < perlDreamer> topsub: try adding your "publication editor" group to the Asset Add Privileges section in the WebGUI config file. Then restart apache and see how you fare. 21:52 -!- khenn [n=khenn@66-190-50-137.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #WebGUI 21:52 -!- mode/#webgui [+o khenn] by ChanServ 21:53 -!- khenn [n=khenn@66-190-50-137.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [Client Quit] 21:53 -!- khenn [n=khenn@66-190-50-137.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #WebGUI 21:53 -!- mode/#webgui [+o khenn] by ChanServ 22:00 -!- topsub [n=josh@97.66.185.250] has quit ["Leaving"] 22:53 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #webgui 22:53 -!- mode/#webgui [+v MrHairgrease] by ChanServ 22:54 <+MrHairgrease> hey, pb.com is back 22:58 <@preaction> a neutered version, but the real frozen is back so we'll be switching back over shortly 22:58 <@preaction> so then we'll have SVN and all our other services back 23:13 <@tavisto> doug, I told you putting that slip n' slide in the server room was a bad idea... 23:15 <@preaction> tavisto, not my fault you got too drunk to slip n' slide and you started run n' ram instead 23:16 <@tavisto> those transformers were talking smack 23:16 <@preaction> i still have no idea how that thing exploded after you spilled your martini on it. i mean wow 23:16 <@tavisto> now give me my bottle back 23:16 <@preaction> you can get your bottle back after you pry the pieces out of the building next door 23:16 <@tavisto> too much work.. time for www.beerdelivered.com 23:17 <+MrHairgrease> did I hear beer? 23:17 <+MrHairgrease> good idea! 23:17 <@tavisto> damn, was hoping that service and website existed... 23:17 <@preaction> don't click, it's not real 23:17 <@tavisto> unfortunately it doesn't... (atleast at that URL) 23:17 <@preaction> you got my hopes up... prepare to die! 23:17 <@apeiron> bah, squatter 23:17 <@tavisto> nooooooo! 23:17 <@apeiron> preaction, 3, 2, 1, sudo ping -f! 23:18 <@apeiron> tavisto, You have no chance to survive, make your Freenode cloak. 23:18 <@tavisto> wait a minute.. there's hope! 23:18 <@preaction> H4X0R H15 G1B53N! 23:18 <@tavisto> www.beerrightnow.com 23:18 <@tavisto> although, if MrHairGrease goes there then you can kiss productivity goodbye 23:18 <@tavisto> for a week. 23:19 * MrHairgrease already has beer right now 23:19 <+MrHairgrease> how does that hamper your productivity 23:19 <+MrHairgrease> for a week 23:19 <@tavisto> it doesn't when you only have 1, or 5 23:20 <+MrHairgrease> i still don't get the connection 23:20 <+MrHairgrease> now if you were to go with me 23:20 <+MrHairgrease> that's a different story... 23:22 <@tavisto> I'm saying that you consume a lot of beer already, and if it was delivered to your door... you wouldn't be sober enough to code :) 23:23 <+MrHairgrease> i don't drink that much at home 23:23 <+MrHairgrease> i just imply that to keep up the eurotrash appeal 23:23 <+MrHairgrease> =) 23:24 < perlDreamer> No, he only drinks at the office 23:24 <@tavisto> hehe well that's good because drinking at home alone is a great indication that one is an alcoholic 23:24 < perlDreamer> that way it doesn't interfere with his coding 23:24 <@tavisto> I should say binge drinking alone at home 23:26 <+MrHairgrease> so you're saying you can only be an alcoholic when you have a binge at home? =) 23:26 <@tavisto> uh no.. 23:27 * MrHairgrease tries very hard to not understand tavis, just to mess with him 23:27 <@tavisto> dont make me come over there.. 23:28 <+MrHairgrease> wat du fak!?!? 23:28 <@tavisto> :) 23:28 <+MrHairgrease> i hope the railroad union will also be in madison in the end of august 23:29 <+MrHairgrease> I'll forever associate the wuc with guys wearing denim form head to toe... 23:31 <@tavisto> oh dear god 23:31 <@tavisto> I have to say that guy was entertaining.. I honestly think you guys just come to the WUC for the stories. 23:32 <+MrHairgrease> are there other reasons to go? 23:33 <+MrHairgrease> I better know so I can warn the other 12 Dutch people coming along 23:33 < perlDreamer> It's always cool to see Frank drunk, or hung-over. 23:34 <+MrHairgrease> or hear jt ask him through the phone " Frank, why are you still alive?" 23:34 <+MrHairgrease> =) 23:34 <@tavisto> hehe Frank the Tank is my hero. 23:34 <+MrHairgrease> mine too 23:36 -!- bopbop [n=kmccombs@71-90-18-149.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit ["that's all folks"] 23:37 <+MrHairgrease> yay, there a thunderstorm right in front of my window 23:37 <+MrHairgrease> pretty cool sight 23:39 -!- khenn [n=khenn@66-190-50-137.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has left #WebGUI [] 23:51 < perlDreamer> tavis, you business-type yayhoo 23:51 < perlDreamer> it's taken me two days to register for OSCON as an attender 23:51 < perlDreamer> actually, it's not your fault 23:51 < perlDreamer> It's O'Reilly 23:52 < perlDreamer> They're not using the EMS, so they're system will only let you have one kind of ticket 23:52 < perlDreamer> Once I was entered in as an exhibitor, then I couldn't also register for the conference 23:52 < perlDreamer> unless y'all paid for it 23:53 <+MrHairgrease> talking about business yayhoos 23:54 <+MrHairgrease> tavis, when is the oqapi success thingy ghoing to be placed? 23:54 -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat039.mxim.com] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] 23:55 -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat039.mxim.com] has joined #webgui 23:55 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@47.sub-75-207-247.myvzw.com] has quit ["Leaving"] --- Day changed Tue Jun 03 2008 00:01 < perlDreamer> WebGUI, this is Houston. You are cleared for SVN. 00:01 <@preaction> Roger, Houston. Confirmed Go for SVN. 00:03 <+MrHairgrease> houston, has a problem 00:04 <+MrHairgrease> webgui.org goes to plainblack.com 00:04 <+MrHairgrease> www.webgui.org works ok btw 00:05 <@preaction> dns propagation probably. we had to hijack the real records to put up the outage message, and then put up the clone of frozen 00:06 <+MrHairgrease> ok 00:16 -!- dionak [n=diona@97.66.185.250] has quit [] 00:17 -!- dionak [n=diona@97.66.185.250] has joined #webgui 00:32 -!- dionak [n=diona@97.66.185.250] has quit [] 00:33 < perlDreamer> nice tests, apeiron 00:33 < perlDreamer> Where do they get cleaned up at the end of the test? 00:34 <@apeiron> Where, in Asset.t? 00:34 < perlDreamer> yeah 00:34 <@apeiron> They're under a version tag, $versionTag4 . 00:34 < perlDreamer> I see 00:34 < perlDreamer> I'm used to seeing the versionTag getting commited 00:35 <@apeiron> hrm. That was an omission on my part--is there any reason to commit it specifically? 00:36 < perlDreamer> I don't think so, although sometimes addChild will puke on a parent in the wrong state 00:36 <@apeiron> The tests run, pass, and leave a pristine asset tree afterwards, if those are your concerns. 00:36 <@apeiron> ah. 00:36 < perlDreamer> but that was before the commit change 00:47 < perlDreamer> WebGUI, this is Houston. We confirm reception of SVN data. 00:47 < perlDreamer> It's good that you're back online. 00:51 < perlDreamer> is pb.com email working? 01:01 <@tavisto> yeah 01:01 <@tavisto> we have a separate mail solution not hosted at the planet 01:02 <@tavisto> MrHairGrease, do you know if existing products will be migrated into the new e-commerce engine in 7.5.11? 01:03 < perlDreamer> tavisto: They will. 01:03 < perlDreamer> it works now 01:03 < perlDreamer> I used one of Tiffany's stores to test it out :) 01:03 <@tavisto> seriously? 01:03 < perlDreamer> yeah 01:03 < perlDreamer> I emailed her, and she said sure 01:03 < perlDreamer> so I got a dump of her db 01:03 < perlDreamer> and practiced upgrading 01:03 <@tavisto> oh okay 01:03 <@tavisto> how did it go?! 01:03 < perlDreamer> Clean. 01:03 < perlDreamer> very nice 01:03 <@tavisto> wow 01:04 <@tavisto> that makes me feel good considering I'm probably going to have to do that for amla 01:04 <@tavisto> how about the templates used in the checkout.. are there a ton of new ones now? 01:04 < perlDreamer> you'll need to ask rizen about that 01:04 <@apeiron> No, Tavis, it worked for pd because he applied special pd magic. 01:04 <@apeiron> You'll have to slog through it. 01:05 < perlDreamer> but, if he was as thorough as he had me do, then it should end up being just fine 01:05 <@apeiron> perlDreamer, btw I did receive your email, looking at it now 01:05 <@tavisto> What the hell... Chris are you still here? I thought Kaleb fired you already 01:05 < perlDreamer> okay, I am a notorious kibitzer so tell me to jump in a hole if I'm out of line. 01:06 <@tavisto> you were a bad gopher! 01:07 < perlDreamer> Fine, I'll go talk with Isaac and Julie then. Maybe Captain Stubing will let me steer the ship for a while. 01:07 <@apeiron> pfft 01:07 <@apeiron> perlDreamer++ 01:07 <@apeiron> perlDreamer, karma tavisto 01:07 <@apeiron> er 01:07 <@apeiron> perlbot, karma tavisto 01:07 < perlbot> tavisto doesn't have any karma 01:10 <+MrHairgrease> perlbot karma perldreamer 01:10 < perlbot> Karma for perldreamer: 26 01:11 <+MrHairgrease> perlbot karma mrhairgrease 01:11 < perlbot> Karma for mrhairgrease: 3 01:11 <+MrHairgrease> hmmm 01:11 <+MrHairgrease> perlbot karma rizen 01:11 < perlbot> Karma for rizen: 3 01:11 <+MrHairgrease> haha 01:11 <+MrHairgrease> it seems i'm not doing too bad after all 01:11 <@apeiron> perlbot, karma preaction 01:11 -!- itnomad [n=jack@pdpc/supporter/professional/itnomad] has joined #webgui 01:11 < perlbot> Karma for preaction: 19 01:11 <@apeiron> .. heh 01:11 <@apeiron> perlbot, karma apeiron 01:11 < perlbot> Karma for apeiron: 68 01:11 <@apeiron> <3 01:14 < perlDreamer> apeiron: tavisto has no karma 01:15 < perlDreamer> He is a karma sinkhole 01:15 <@apeiron> tavisto-- # now he's not 01:16 <@tavisto> rizen only has 3 karma so I dont feel bad 01:16 <@apeiron> You have -1. 01:16 <@tavisto> how the crap do you earn karma in here 01:16 <@tavisto> and if Chris has it then I dont want it 01:16 < perlDreamer> karma is awarded by others for doing cool things 01:16 -!- stevecel [n=stevecel@cm-84.215.94.246.getinternet.no] has joined #webgui 01:16 < perlDreamer> obviously, apeiron is cooler than thee 01:17 <@tavisto> must be earned by driving around in a kidnapper van offering candy to neighborhood kids 01:17 <@tavisto> shame on you apeiron 01:17 <@apeiron> What? pfft. I'm lazy. I'd sooner just offer it Halloween style. 01:19 < perlDreamer> preaction: that is some nasty i18n namespace 01:21 < CIA-6> WebGUI: doug * r6546 /WebGUI/ (13 files in 8 dirs): 01:21 < CIA-6> WebGUI: added: Two new approval activities, byLineage and byCommitterGroup 01:21 < CIA-6> WebGUI: added: Show a message to users when they log in 01:21 < CIA-6> WebGUI: fixed: Gallery search form doesn't work right in IE6 01:21 < CIA-6> WebGUI: fixed: Minor bug in new gallery approval handling 01:28 < perlDreamer> https://sourceforge.net/community/cca08-badge?project_name=WebGUI&project_url=http://www.webgui.org/wg/contribute 01:30 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has left #webgui [] 01:36 < perlDreamer> Go nominate WebGUI 01:36 <@apeiron> yay, login to nominate 01:36 <@apeiron> Like I remember the sf.net userid I never use. =\ 01:38 <@apeiron> ick. 01:38 <@apeiron> sf.net-- # requiring me to create an ID even after I logged in via OpenID... isn't that the *entire* *point* of OpenID? 01:39 < perlDreamer> the things we do to promote WebGUI 01:42 < perlDreamer> actually, wouldn't wG do the same thing? 01:42 < perlDreamer> it might authenticate you remotely, but you still need a valid userId/account 01:44 <@apeiron> Oh. Right. 01:44 <@apeiron> I'm misremembering what OpenID is for. 01:44 <@apeiron> "we're not an authentication layer!" and all that. Despite being *exactly* like one *in* *every* *respect*. 01:44 < perlDreamer> well, it _would_ be nice if it made the account for you and prepopulated it with your openId creds/info 01:44 < perlDreamer> cap10morgan: are you listening? :) 01:44 <@apeiron> heh. But sf isn't that smart. 01:45 <@apeiron> (which is why I never use SF, that and the fact that its SCMs are down more than they're up) 01:45 -!- tavisto [n=tavisto@pool-71-120-147-81.gdrpmi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [] 01:45 < cap10morgan> perlDreamer: heh 01:45 < cap10morgan> i am now! 01:45 < cap10morgan> apeiron: openid is an identification service, not authentication 01:45 < perlDreamer> so for the wG openId plug-in, does it make you create an account after first login? 01:45 <@apeiron> cap10morgan, Yeah, except for the fact that it looks and acts just like authentication in every way. :) 01:46 < cap10morgan> auth is still handled by the thing you're trying to get yourself auth'd into 01:46 < perlDreamer> cap10morgan: (asking ignorantly); What's the difference? 01:46 < cap10morgan> apeiron, it's nearly always used in an authentication situation 01:46 < cap10morgan> that's why 01:46 < cap10morgan> perlDreamer: here's how it works... 01:46 <@apeiron> "name and password" to me indicates "authentication". 01:46 < cap10morgan> you go to a site, it asks you to login 01:46 < cap10morgan> now, there's two things it's trying to check: 01:46 < cap10morgan> 1. you are who you say you are (identification) 01:47 < cap10morgan> 2. you're allowed to login and do stuff (authentication) 01:47 <@apeiron> Heh. I've always heard 1 referred to as authentication. 01:47 <@apeiron> And whether you're allowed to do things is authorization. 01:47 <@apeiron> yay overloading terminology in related fields! 01:47 < cap10morgan> apeiron: err, that's probably right 01:47 < cap10morgan> :) 01:48 < cap10morgan> yeah, that makes more sense given the words anyway 01:48 < cap10morgan> far as i understood, openid was only authentication, not authorization (using the better terms) 01:48 < cap10morgan> but are they claiming they are *not* authentication somewhere? 01:49 < perlDreamer> cap10morgan: Does WebGUI have an "authorization" for login rights? 01:50 < cap10morgan> the fact that you have an account, i would guess 01:50 < cap10morgan> normally w/ openid, you still have to register your openid at a particular place before it grants you authorization 01:51 < cap10morgan> (or be granted by the admin, or whatever the policy is for that site / service) 01:51 <@apeiron> bleh. I know I've seen somewhere that a page said "we're *not* an authentication layer". 01:51 <@apeiron> Trying to find such. 01:51 < cap10morgan> they're not _authentication_ 01:51 < cap10morgan> d'oh! 01:51 < cap10morgan> sorry, mixing my terms again 01:51 < cap10morgan> hahahaha 01:51 < cap10morgan> apeiron: let me know if you find it 01:51 < perlDreamer> no, it makes sense now. I might have a VISA card saying I'm Donald Trump, but that doesn't work in an AMEX only store. 01:52 < cap10morgan> yep 01:52 <@apeiron> Despite the fact that it acts exactly like authentication, it's not. And that's confusing. 01:53 <@apeiron> (when I say "it acts exactly like authentication", I mean strictly from the user perspective: enter your username and password) 01:53 < cap10morgan> well, i think it _is_ authentication 01:54 < cap10morgan> i'd be very surprised if they were claiming they weren't 01:59 <@apeiron> heh 01:59 <@apeiron> http://simonwillison.net/2007/Jan/10/account/ 02:00 <@apeiron> "Just treat it as an alternative to a traditional username and password and you can't go wrong." 02:00 <@apeiron> .... well... obviously I *have*... 02:02 <@apeiron> http://www.openid.org/ "Log into sites such as LiveJournal, [...]" 02:02 <@apeiron> That's not helping the matter. 02:07 <@apeiron> Hmm. Apparently OpenID 2.0 will let you log in. 02:08 <@apeiron> ... which, er, isn't that not the point of the original OpenID? 02:08 * apeiron is very confused. oO 02:21 -!- stevecel [n=stevecel@cm-84.215.94.246.getinternet.no] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:41 <@preaction> openID 1.0 was just identification, not authentication. the system is only as strong as its weakest point 02:41 <@preaction> and OpenID 1.0 was the weak point: Someone who professes to own THISURL made this post 02:41 <@apeiron> heh 02:42 <@apeiron> So in other words the OpenID developers basically created a system that was fail by design. 02:42 <@preaction> not really, it wasn't design for authentication. it was just for the blogosphere 02:43 <@preaction> but then YADIS came and OpenID became part of that and people wanted more, authentication, profiles, personal data exchange 02:44 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 02:44 -!- mode/#webgui [+v Radix-wrk] by ChanServ 02:47 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@wsip-70-164-69-210.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 02:51 -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat039.mxim.com] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] 02:52 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-226-44-250.client.mchsi.com] has joined #WebGUI 02:54 -!- patspam [n=patspam@ppp59-167-83-180.lns2.mel6.internode.on.net] has joined #webgui 03:04 -!- cap10morgan [n=cap10mor@h19-afsc.ded.indra.com] has quit [] 04:08 < metanil> i need an idea.. i want to add additional information while creating files.. like author, description, DocumentID, RefID.. and other info as well. 04:08 <@apeiron> File assets, yes? 04:08 < metanil> would creating new asset similar to Asset::File is ok? 04:09 <@apeiron> That's what I would suggest, yes, though perhaps the more experienced here may have a better idea. 04:10 < metanil> hmm... (i am thinking of creating one then).. 04:15 <@preaction> if you are, see about using 7.5. the Asset::File is easier to subclass in that one 04:45 < patspam> is it just me or is webgui.org 50% faster post outage? 05:06 <@preaction> just you. it's still the same box. maybe not too many people are using it 05:11 < patspam> maybe it needed a day of rest? 05:17 <@preaction> at my expense? that was selfish of it... 05:17 <@preaction> i oughta teach it a lesson by making it blow up again 05:56 -!- tavisto [n=tavisto@pool-71-120-147-81.gdrpmi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #WebGUI 05:56 -!- mode/#webgui [+o tavisto] by ChanServ 06:01 -!- khenn [n=khenn@66-190-50-137.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #WebGUI 06:01 -!- mode/#webgui [+o khenn] by ChanServ 06:13 -!- khenn [n=khenn@66-190-50-137.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [] 06:32 -!- cap10morgan [n=cap10mor@206-124-6-65.denver.dsl.forethought.net] has joined #webgui 06:54 -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-245-101-253.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has joined #webgui 06:54 < perlDreamer> svn is down again? 06:58 <@preaction> perlDreamer, possibly. graham is switching the temporary frozen back to the old frozen 07:03 < perlDreamer> tough day 07:03 < perlDreamer> my IRC password gets changed/rejected 07:03 < perlDreamer> no SVN 07:03 < perlDreamer> what happens next? 07:04 <@preaction> svn server just isn't running, but i don't want to mess with it 07:04 <@preaction> our datacenter explodes? 07:04 <@preaction> that would suck 07:04 < perlDreamer> ah 07:04 < perlDreamer> already happened :) 07:04 <@preaction> hmm... what else is there? 07:04 < perlDreamer> tavisto shaves his head? 07:05 <@preaction> good lord... the world would impode on itself 07:05 < perlDreamer> frank and jt and chris and kaleb and steve and graham all quit? 07:06 <@preaction> as long as i have vrby, i think we can manage 07:06 <@preaction> they're albatrosses, weighing me down man 07:07 < perlDreamer> it's hard to fly like an eagle, when you're stuck with albatrosses 07:09 <@tavisto> what the 07:09 <@tavisto> don't make me come down there 07:09 <@preaction> who the? 07:12 < perlDreamer> where the? 07:12 <@preaction> HOW 07:14 < perlDreamer> Something has really been bothering me for a while 07:14 < perlDreamer> How does Hawkman fly in outer space, where there's no air? 07:16 <@preaction> telekinesis 07:16 <@preaction> solar wind 07:16 < perlDreamer> bean burritos 07:16 <@preaction> so lunar wind? 07:16 <@preaction> i mean, it comes from where the sun don't shine 07:18 <+Radix-wrk> you have wierd thoughts pd 07:19 <@tavisto> wow I can't believe this hockey game... triple overtime now 07:19 <@tavisto> preaction, I just got off a conference call with amla and we're going to push through the upgrade 07:20 <@preaction> uh... huh? they're on 7.4.21? 07:20 <+Radix-wrk> doesn't hockey have the concept of a tied game? or is this a grand final or something? 07:20 <@tavisto> not in the playoffs 07:20 <@tavisto> if Detroit wins... they win the stanley cup 07:20 < perlDreamer> tavisto, if you're talking to 7.5, I think that would not be wise. 07:21 <@preaction> i would agree with the wise Dreamer 07:21 < perlDreamer> we'll be testing for at least another month, maybe longer due to this outage 07:22 <@tavisto> wait a sec... are you saying 07:22 < perlDreamer> 7.5.11 is not ready for prime time yet 07:22 <@preaction> if they have travelled past 7.4.21, they cannot go to 7.5.anything yet 07:22 <@tavisto> oh dear God when does this end 07:23 < perlDreamer> In July 07:23 <@tavisto> they're already on the beta server 07:23 <@tavisto> for PB 07:23 < perlDreamer> that's fine, they're on 7.5.10 07:23 <@tavisto> yeah 07:23 < perlDreamer> It's just the commerce stuff, Shop 07:23 <@tavisto> it's been working okay 07:23 <@preaction> what's "push through the upgrade" then? 07:23 < perlDreamer> 7.5.10 will work fine 07:23 < perlDreamer> yeah! 07:23 <@tavisto> to 7.5.11 07:23 <@preaction> when it's released, you mean? 07:23 <@tavisto> yeah, june 12th 07:23 <@tavisto> it's been applied right? 07:24 <@tavisto> or has that been pushed back 07:24 <@preaction> applied? 07:24 <@tavisto> installed on beta 07:24 <@preaction> no 07:24 <@preaction> we don't install anything that isn't released 07:24 <@tavisto> is 7.5.11 going on plain black's beta server on june 12th still? 07:24 < perlDreamer> rizen doesn't even get back until the 12th, right? 07:25 <@tavisto> Graham told me june 12th 07:25 <@preaction> 9th 07:25 < perlDreamer> it will take longer than three days to 1) Finish up tests, 2) Fix currently broken tests 3) Do user level testing 07:25 <@tavisto> I would be very happy if we decided to wait to install it on PB's beta server to a later date 07:25 <@preaction> tavisto, that's probably correct, but that's Graham's pidgeon, so he's the authority there 07:26 <@tavisto> well the plan is that on June 12th the upgrade will take place and then AMLA's current SQL reports and e-commerce process will break 07:26 <@tavisto> AMLA will pay PB to fix the SQL report (the one you saw doug( 07:27 < perlDreamer> tavisto, should you be talking about that on a public channel? 07:27 <@tavisto> and then I'll be working with one of their peeps to fix/tweak/change the current e-commerce process into a working one with the new e-commerce system 07:27 <@tavisto> I dont see why it matters 07:28 <@tavisto> upgrade strategy needs feedback :) 07:28 <@preaction> tavisto, this place is logged 07:28 <@tavisto> okay? 07:28 <@preaction> i dunno either 07:28 <@tavisto> so are you guys telling me that you don't think this is going to 07:29 <@tavisto> be a good idea to push thru with this upgrade... or do you think I should backup their site and jump to a VPS for 3 months 07:29 <@preaction> i think it's a good idea to keep going with the upgrade, i just forgot what you meant 07:29 < perlDreamer> I think the date needs to be pushed back. We haven't had SVN access for 3 days. 07:30 <@preaction> as far as i'm concerned, the feature freeze is pushed back for the time being 07:30 <@tavisto> are you guys going to voice that opinion then to Rizen/Graham? 07:30 < perlDreamer> Haarg: We haven't had consistent SVN access for over 3 days. I think the release date needs to be pushed back. 07:30 <@tavisto> hehe 07:30 <@preaction> i'm going to be working on gallery bugs and the new asset manager until the release 07:30 <@tavisto> LOL he's been quiet I know 07:31 < perlDreamer> preaction: I have failing Gallery and Utility tests when I run the suite on my laptop 07:31 < perlDreamer> did I already email that to you? 07:32 <@preaction> perlDreamer, yeah, i'll be getting to that tomorrow if i'm not preempted by server problems or client problems 07:32 <@preaction> maybe i'll have time to figure out why the hell the test server is dead 07:32 <@tavisto> what the crap doug e fresh... making code with bugs? I thought you were better than that 07:32 <@preaction> oh, did you want a login? i can make you one real quick 07:33 < perlDreamer> gotta crash out. More hacking tomorrow. 07:34 -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-245-101-253.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 07:37 < metanil> $asset->get('size'); will return the file size .. isn't it? 07:39 <@preaction> get('assetSize') i think 07:39 <@preaction> not just the file size, the size of the whole storage location. so it may not be 100% accurate 09:28 -!- AMH_bob [n=bob@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui 09:29 -!- tavisto [n=tavisto@pool-71-120-147-81.gdrpmi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [] 09:34 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-226-44-250.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:35 -!- cap10morgan [n=cap10mor@206-124-6-65.denver.dsl.forethought.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:35 -!- cap10morgan_ [n=cap10mor@206-124-6-65.denver.dsl.forethought.net] has joined #webgui 09:49 -!- stevecel [n=stevecel@82.196.207.178] has joined #webgui 10:02 -!- stevecel [n=stevecel@82.196.207.178] has left #webgui [] 10:50 -!- AMH_bob [n=bob@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 10:51 -!- AMH_bob [n=bob@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui 10:58 -!- patspam [n=patspam@ppp59-167-83-180.lns2.mel6.internode.on.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 11:02 -!- patspam [n=patspam@ppp59-167-83-180.lns2.mel6.internode.on.net] has joined #webgui 11:06 -!- BartJol [n=plainstu@host2.procolix.com] has joined #webgui 11:06 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] 11:10 -!- AMH_bob [n=bob@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:11 -!- AMH_bob [n=bob@a80-101-75-92.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui 11:33 -!- patspam [n=patspam@ppp59-167-83-180.lns2.mel6.internode.on.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 11:58 < BartJol> he preaction how are the rest of the servers doing, don't see the api or i18n yet? Just for curiosity, not to be a irritating person that keeps nagging... 12:05 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:49 < BartJol> is the one called bepo here? 14:46 -!- ascii [n=ascii@64.234.60.83] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:46 -!- ascii [n=ascii@64.234.60.83] has joined #webgui 15:12 -!- dionak [n=diona@97.66.185.250] has joined #webgui 15:37 -!- itnomad [n=jack@pdpc/supporter/professional/itnomad] has quit ["Leaving"] 15:51 < BartJol> still no bepo? 16:12 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@221.sub-75-205-245.myvzw.com] has joined #WebGUI 16:13 < SDuensin> Greetings. 16:13 -!- wgGuest20 [n=wgGuest2@host2.procolix.com] has joined #webgui 16:13 -!- wgGuest20 [n=wgGuest2@host2.procolix.com] has quit [Client Quit] 16:15 -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui 16:15 -!- mode/#webgui [+v Radix_] by ChanServ 16:16 -!- Radix__ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:18 -!- slickware [n=slick@c-76-119-132-119.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 16:19 < slickware> hey all 16:19 < slickware> 'morning 16:19 -!- bopbop [n=kmccombs@71-90-18-149.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui 16:25 < BartJol> morning 16:30 -!- khenn [n=khenn@66-190-50-137.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #WebGUI 16:30 -!- mode/#webgui [+o khenn] by ChanServ 16:35 -!- topsub [n=josh@97.66.185.250] has joined #webgui 16:43 -!- slickware [n=slick@c-76-119-132-119.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #webgui [] 16:44 -!- slickware [n=slick@c-76-119-132-119.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 16:49 < BartJol> no bepo yet? 17:10 -!- tavisto [n=tavisto@pool-71-120-147-81.gdrpmi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #WebGUI 17:10 -!- mode/#webgui [+o tavisto] by ChanServ 17:26 -!- cap10morgan_ [n=cap10mor@206-124-6-65.denver.dsl.forethought.net] has quit [] 18:02 -!- cap10morgan [n=cap10mor@h19-afsc.ded.indra.com] has joined #webgui 18:06 -!- AMH_bob [n=bob@a80-101-75-92.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #webgui [] 18:29 -!- BartJol [n=plainstu@host2.procolix.com] has left #webgui [] 18:57 < slickware> anyone here that can give some advice on a template issue I am having 19:40 -!- Steve_Swanson [n=chatzill@pppte01-342.ght.iadfw.net] has joined #webgui 19:40 -!- Steve_Swanson is now known as Meatbop 19:41 -!- Meatbop [n=chatzill@pppte01-342.ght.iadfw.net] has quit [Client Quit] 19:47 -!- BartJol [n=plainstu@52-167.surfsnel.dsl.internl.net] has joined #webgui 19:54 -!- BartJol [n=plainstu@52-167.surfsnel.dsl.internl.net] has left #webgui [] 20:10 -!- apeiron [n=apeiron@c-71-230-67-187.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit ["leaving"] 20:18 -!- apeiron [n=apeiron@c-71-230-67-187.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 20:18 -!- mode/#webgui [+o apeiron] by ChanServ 20:23 -!- cap10morgan [n=cap10mor@h19-afsc.ded.indra.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:24 -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat039.mxim.com] has joined #webgui 20:28 -!- apeiron [n=apeiron@c-71-230-67-187.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit ["leaving"] 20:40 -!- cap10morgan [n=cap10mor@h19-afsc.ded.indra.com] has joined #webgui 20:51 -!- apeiron [n=apeiron@c-71-230-67-187.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 20:51 -!- mode/#webgui [+o apeiron] by ChanServ 20:56 -!- wgGuest16 [n=wgGuest1@h69-129-137-126.69-129.unk.tds.net] has joined #webgui 20:56 < wgGuest16> what is the irc server for this channel? I'm connected through the java and I'd prefer to use my own client 20:58 -!- Giant81 [n=giant@h69-129-137-126.69-129.unk.tds.net] has joined #webgui 20:59 -!- wgGuest16 [n=wgGuest1@h69-129-137-126.69-129.unk.tds.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20:59 < Giant81> I'm about to connect to the webinar, but I didn't receive the login info I thought I was supposed to 20:59 < Giant81> can anyone here help me? 21:00 -!- wgGuest19 [n=wgGuest1@h69-129-137-126.69-129.unk.tds.net] has joined #webgui 21:00 -!- wgGuest19 [n=wgGuest1@h69-129-137-126.69-129.unk.tds.net] has quit [Client Quit] 21:09 < bopbop> wgGuest16: https://na1.connect.acrobat.com/plainblack 21:09 < bopbop> sorry, that was for wgGuest81 21:10 < Giant81> no problems... thank you 21:10 < Giant81> i'm connected now, but its pretty slow 21:29 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui 21:30 -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ 21:30 -!- kristi [n=kmccombs@71-90-18-149.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui 21:46 -!- bopbop [n=kmccombs@71-90-18-149.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:56 <@apeiron> Giant81, This is irc.freenode.net in case you didn't know. 22:01 <@preaction> you cannot escape freenode's influence on the FOSS world. 22:01 <@preaction> SUBMIT 22:01 <@preaction> SUBMIT 22:01 < perlDreamer> I just want my password back. 22:03 < perlDreamer> oh, and SVN 22:03 < perlDreamer> maybe some money, too 22:03 < perlDreamer> not much 22:04 < perlDreamer> just a couple of 100K$ 22:04 < slickware> someone giving out money? 22:04 < slickware> i'll take some 22:05 < perlDreamer> and I want a picture of a "kitteh" 22:05 < slickware> i'm not as greedy as perlDreamer though. like 50k$ is fine with me 22:06 < slickware> kittehies we gots. www.slickware.net/kitteh.jpg 22:18 < perlDreamer> ah, well how about a war kitteh? 22:19 < ckotil> perlDreamer: the thging about SVN and passwords is, it will store your password in a plain text file in yur home dir. 22:19 < perlDreamer> ckotil: freenode has changed my password without telling me 22:19 < ckotil> thats no good. 22:20 < perlDreamer> no 22:20 < perlDreamer> how are things in the NOC? 22:21 < ckotil> pretty good 22:22 < ckotil> We're trying to put a huge flashing light in the NOC for when an alarm event happens 22:22 < ckotil> but i doubt the service desk would go for that 22:22 < slickware> GM is considering selling off the Hummer brand 22:22 < ckotil> they're closing a few plants too 22:22 < slickware> Mr. Wagoner, chief exec of GM, stated that this the possible sale of the Hummer line will also include the introduction of many new vehicles including the new sporty Teabag, the gas sipping Rimmer, the family friendly Menage' mini-van and the Chaps pick-up (with an open backside). 22:23 < slickware> that made my day - I had to forward it along :-D 22:23 < ckotil> heh 22:28 < perlDreamer> ckotil: I recommend visiting a truck stop to get the light. You can get some sweet lookin' 12V replacement lights for trucks there. 22:29 < perlDreamer> Get one that doubles as a signal/marker light and you can have two colors :) 22:30 < perlDreamer> then, you can pick up/hack up a high current driver to handle the load of the light and enable the driver with a low current pin off of a parallel port. 22:30 < ckotil> yeah, we would need about 8 colors 22:30 < ckotil> yah, that would be awsome 22:33 < slickware> hey all - I have a templating question that i've been headaching over all day 22:33 < perlDreamer> okay 22:34 < slickware> I'm the reject that's still hung up on v5.x so this is probably a stupid question 22:34 < slickware> (trying to learn 7) 22:34 < slickware> I've followed the community wiki on creating your own template/style 22:34 < slickware> I created a /root/themes folder 22:35 < slickware> but for some reason, it didn't show up the first time I created it. So I created another one, and now there is only one Themes folder, but it is telling me the path to it is /root/themes2 22:35 < slickware> I can't see an other one to delete it, and now all the paths to the files IN that folder are incorrect 22:36 < perlDreamer> slickware: do you have any pending version tags? 22:36 < slickware> I turned off versioning - I hate it 22:36 < slickware> haha 22:36 < slickware> I basically run a single user webgui, so I don't want/need it 22:37 < perlDreamer> well, here's the deal, you really do have two themes folders 22:37 < slickware> i'm sure I do 22:37 < perlDreamer> if you request a URL that is in use, WebGUI will change the URL so that it's unique 22:37 < slickware> here's a second question then - 22:38 < slickware> how can I fix the contents of the "new" folder so that their paths are correct? even if I try to access them at /themes2/images/name.jpg, they still don't work 22:38 < slickware> is there some way to recursively re-populate the URLs for the contents of a folder? 22:38 < perlDreamer> do you mean /root/themes2/images/name.jpg? 22:38 < slickware> yeah 22:39 < ckotil> you can recursively re populate urls via the batch edit. 22:39 < slickware> or /root/themes2/themename/images/name.jpg 22:39 < slickware> etc 22:39 < perlDreamer> well, I would skirt the issue and try to find the original themes folder, using the Asset Manager search function 22:39 < perlDreamer> and then move the stuff from themes2 into themes and get rid of themes 22:39 < slickware> smart 22:40 < slickware> a search only brings up the Themes folder with the themes2 path, however 22:41 < perlDreamer> Are you familiar with SQL? 22:41 < slickware> yes, but I'd prefer not playing with it 22:41 < slickware> ckotil: how do you batch edit? 22:42 < perlDreamer> this would just be a query 22:42 < perlDreamer> SELECT assetId from assetData where url like '%themes%'; 22:43 < ckotil> slickware: ive never used version 5, but in 7 if you click 'More' in the asset manager you will be presented with the batch edit option 22:43 < slickware> I am using 7 22:43 < ckotil> ok cool 22:43 < slickware> I was just stating that i'm used to 5 22:44 < slickware> i'm assuming I want "edit branch" 22:44 < perlDreamer> Yeah 22:44 < ckotil> :x 22:44 < slickware> no clue what my params should be though 22:44 < ckotil> batch, branch 22:44 < ckotil> yeah, its very tricky 22:44 < slickware> specified base/parent URL? 22:44 < ckotil> do you have a test instance? 22:44 < slickware> I want to love v7... but it's so hard 22:44 < slickware> haha 22:44 < ckotil> you might play around with it on the demo server 22:44 < slickware> this is basically a demo 22:45 < slickware> it's my learn-to-use-it demo 22:46 < nuba> shouldnt complain, at least its hard 22:47 < slickware> I get enough emails for 80% off viagra, even if it wasn't hard, I wouldn't have an issue 22:47 < nuba> lol 22:47 < slickware> man I wish this had a description 22:48 < slickware> i've managed to erase my path, then make it /root/root/root/themes, and now everything is on its own level 22:48 < perlDreamer> slickware, what do you wish had a description? 22:48 < slickware> none of which are correct 22:48 < slickware> the branch-edit feature 22:48 < perlDreamer> Have you tried the wiki? 22:48 < perlDreamer> or are you talking about hover help for individual fields in there? 22:49 < slickware> I think I got it 22:49 < slickware> now everything appears to be appropriately labeled as root/themes2/foldernames 22:50 < slickware> so now - when building a template, should my image paths be: 22:50 < slickware> domain.com/themes2/theme/images 22:50 < slickware> or 22:50 < slickware> domain.com/home/themes2/theme/images ? 22:50 < perlDreamer> neither 22:50 < slickware> lol 22:50 < slickware> ok 22:50 < slickware> the wiki seems to imply the latter 22:51 < perlDreamer> you just said the base url is /root/themes2 22:51 < slickware> yes 22:51 < slickware> which is where the wiki recommends putting your themes folder 22:51 < perlDreamer> so, it would be /root/themes2/theme/images 22:51 < slickware> so domain.com/root/themes2/etc... 22:51 < perlDreamer> if that's where you put it 22:51 < slickware> I thought you didn't actually have to name the 'root' folder 22:51 < perlDreamer> it depends on what you set the URL to 22:52 < perlDreamer> remember that URLs in WebGUI are not tied to hierarchy 22:52 < slickware> I remember, frustratingly 22:52 < perlDreamer> you can have a folder /here containing a second folder called /there 22:52 < perlDreamer> both top level URLs, but different hierarchy 22:52 < slickware> right 22:52 < slickware> so I literally include the entire URL that I see in the asset manager 22:53 < slickware> i'm going to edit that damn wiki later 22:53 < slickware> it doesn't help that none of the graphics on it work anymore 22:55 < slickware> oh fabulous it works... woo 22:55 < perlDreamer> the asset manager doesn't show you URLs, it shows you hierarchy in the crumb trail 22:55 < slickware> I know - but they are called URLs 22:55 < Giant81> has anyone tried to install on ubuntu 8.04? 22:55 < slickware> in the manager 22:55 < Giant81> I tried the forums but didn't find anybody having problems 22:56 < perlDreamer> preaction: I tried to use Manage from the editing toolbar and got an invalid operation. 22:56 < slickware> giant81: i'm running 7.10 and didn't have issues using the WRE 22:57 < Giant81> either that is a good thing and noone is having problems and it works... or noone is using it in which case there could be issues 22:57 < Giant81> I need to download mysql and apache before I use the wre 22:57 < perlDreamer> the wre has those in it 22:57 < perlDreamer> already 22:58 < slickware> yeah 22:58 < Giant81> ahh ok 22:58 < slickware> you can literally install ubuntu, do an apt-get update, and install the WRE 22:59 < slickware> optionally installing something like webmin if you so desire 22:59 < perlDreamer> and in Debian, you can apt-get install webgui 22:59 < slickware> debian users have all the fun 23:09 < slickware> last question before I go home 23:09 < slickware> I've got an "^AdminBar;" tag in my template (without quotes), but no adminbar is showing up 23:10 < slickware> all my other macros are ok 23:12 < perlDreamer> do you have admin mode turned on? 23:12 < slickware> yes (i'm not THAT bad) 23:13 < slickware> does it need to be in a specific div tag or be associated with a specific css? 23:13 < perlDreamer> I always ask for the low hanging fruit first, I don't mean to insult you. 23:13 < slickware> I know - I was mostly joking - I can take it 23:13 < perlDreamer> I don't think so. Is it in the page source and just not rendering right? 23:13 < slickware> i'll check source 23:14 < slickware>