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00:00 < perlmonkey2> funny to think how much duplicated work there is in the world.  How many companies spend hundreds of thousands paying developers to front end databases and create reports when they could use WebGUI (or another less worthy CMS).
00:01 <@apeiron> You could say that about innovating a pre-WebGUI CMS, though, or a pre-Perl language. :)
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00:02 < perlmonkey2> apeiron: But these companies are rolling their own custom implementations.  
00:02 < perlmonkey2> which they aren't trying to sell, but just use themselves.
00:03 <@apeiron> Not always the best idea, I'll agree, but reinventing the wheel allows you to make it rounder. :)
00:08 < perlmonkey2> apeiron: I'd say that only happens when a badarse who knows every inch of the wheel sets down to do it.  When people who need a wheel because they're interested in doing X reinvent the wheel, it is likely to be sqaure.
00:45 < perlmonkey2> PlainBlack basic server has 512MB ram.  How many moderating active sites could one WebGUI instances run on 512MB?
00:45 < perlmonkey2> s/moderating/moderatively/
00:47 <@preaction> 10 would probably be the max
00:47 <@preaction> and they'd be slow
00:47 <@preaction> 5-7 would be fine i bet
00:47 <@preaction> i forget the stats, but we've got one server running 20+
00:48 < perlmonkey2> that is actually better than I thought
00:48 < perlmonkey2> so $300/month could handle 5 easily.
00:48 < perlmonkey2> I likey
00:48 <@preaction> i wouldn't say easily, but then i'm used to working on more complicated systems than WebGUI Core
00:49 <@preaction> systems with 20,000 users, incredible database queries that make mysql wet itself, etc...
00:49 <@preaction> if we're talking something like THAT, i'd suggest load balancing cluster
00:49  * perlmonkey2 was supposed to get 1 month off to hack on WebGUI but after 3 days off they now want me back at 200%.  They want me 100% on two grants at the same time.
00:50 <@preaction> plainblack.com runs on one of our mega servers, iirc
00:50 < perlmonkey2> preaction: you working with Oracle's CMS?
00:50 <@preaction> no, WebGUI
00:50 <@preaction> custom dev
00:50 < perlmonkey2> hah, right on
00:51 < perlmonkey2> sounds like fun
00:51 <@preaction> it can be, when it's not being not fun
00:52 <@preaction> there are some strange brews out there in the world of wG custom dev
00:52 < perlmonkey2> people really fork the core components that much?
00:55 <@preaction> no, add-ons
00:55 <@preaction> assets, workflow activities, auth plugis
00:56 < perlmonkey2> ah, right on
00:56 <@preaction> instead of forking core components that don't do what they want, we extend them (or rewrite them)
00:57 < perlmonkey2> that woudl be fun
01:01 <@preaction> eh, there are some projects i fight to get, and others i "decide" are "better for Joe Developer to handle"
01:01 <@preaction> it's a factor of how many fun problems exist to be solved
01:02 < perlmonkey2> that's true enough
01:04 <@preaction> example: The client wanted a photo gallery asset (more targeted than the Photo Gallery Collaboration prototype), so I get to make a photo gallery asset to add to WebGUI
01:07 < perlmonkey2> that's interesting.  you rip off a lot of code from Gallery2?
01:07 <@preaction> nope
01:08 <@preaction> it's actually a fairly simple system, didn't need to rip anything from anywhere
01:08 < perlmonkey2> bah, I need to quit my job and do that kind of stuff.  sounds a lot more fun.
01:09 <@preaction> the additional constraint of 100% test coverage and "An example of WebGUI Best Practices" has made this take longer, but that's good. i'm writing good, clean, maintainable, readable, extensible code instead of slop
01:09 < perlmonkey2> hah, slop usually isn't very maintainable :P
01:09 <@preaction> this is my job, plainblack pays me. in order to make it here i worked two jobs (one as a plainblack contractor) until a spot opened up for me
01:09 < perlmonkey2> and writing it maintable doesn't take much longer once you get used to it.
01:10 < perlmonkey2> nice
01:10 <@preaction> no, it's forming good habits, but there are some OO tricks and API design flaws that you only find once you actually have to use the API to do something
01:11 <@preaction> i consider programming to be an art form, as such i tend to act more like an artist than i do a scientist 
01:11 <@preaction> and, before plainblack hired me, that means subsidizing myself with menial labor
01:12 < perlmonkey2> ack
01:12 < perlmonkey2> menial labor
01:14 <@preaction> i found that the most monotonous jobs tended to create the best environment for ideas of code i should write
01:14 < perlmonkey2> I usually have all my best ideas when I'm not doing work that requires thinking.
01:14 < perlmonkey2> so that makes sense.
01:15 < perlmonkey2> alright, chow time...I'm out
01:15 <@preaction> i've got little notebooks full of game ideas, APIs, pseudo-code for software to help manage things like my TV collection and Warhammer 40k armies
01:15 <@preaction> have fun
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02:33 < CIA-18> WebGUI: colin * r5073 /WebGUI/t/Spectre/Workflow.t: avoid running this test unless we have WRE installed
02:33 < CIA-18> WebGUI: colin * r5074 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/t/Spectre/Workflow.t: backport fix for not running under the WRE
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05:53 < dirtyPair> salutations
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06:32 <+perlDreamer> hola
06:32 <+perlDreamer> you still there?
06:36 <+perlDreamer> dirtyPair: What's up?
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06:55 <+perlDreamer> preaction: I know kung-fu!
06:55 <@preaction> perlDreamer, show me
06:56 <+perlDreamer> check ren 5075
06:56 <+perlDreamer> rev 5075
06:56 <+perlDreamer> in HEAD
06:58 <@preaction> that
06:58 <@preaction> is
06:58 <@preaction> AWESOME
06:58 <+perlDreamer> thanks
06:59 <+perlDreamer> That was half of yesterday and all of this evening
06:59 <+perlDreamer> It still needs some more work to handle the stuff that is causing i18n/label.t to fail
06:59 <+perlDreamer> but it shouldn't be that hard
06:59 <+perlDreamer> With this, we can do anything
06:59 <@preaction> indeed
07:00 <+perlDreamer> We can make sure that all class methods always get a session object
07:00 <+perlDreamer> I don't even know what else we need to do, but it's now possible
07:00 <@preaction> do you want to add an additional check to make sure that no calls to WebGUI::International::echo make it into a production system?
07:01 <+perlDreamer> Sure
07:01 <@preaction> are you going to change some of the existing i18n tests to use PPI / Perl::Critic tests?
07:02 <+perlDreamer> Yes
07:02 <+perlDreamer> label.t will be a P::C test
07:02 <@preaction> sweet
07:02 <+perlDreamer> probably a few more as well
07:02 <+perlDreamer> things we don't necessarily want an end user to run, but that we want as a double check for us
07:02 <@preaction> indeed
07:03 <+perlDreamer> all of i18n looks good, and Help, too
07:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: colin * r5075 /WebGUI/t/lib/ (5 files in 5 dirs): Perl::Critic module for checking illegal i18n labels
07:03 <@preaction> i was thinking before about the tests taking too long to run before a commit, perhaps there should be a way for testCodebase.pl to get targets, like "base" "form" "i18n" "help" "assets" "workflow" etc...?
07:04 <+perlDreamer> the CODE_COP switch does a little of that now
07:04 <+perlDreamer> but we could break it farther apart
07:06 <+perlDreamer> it's actually a pretty big topic in the community right now
07:06 <+perlDreamer> You'll probably start noticing a lot of $ENV{AUTHOR} showing up in tests
07:07 <@preaction> why?
07:07 <+perlDreamer> That's the flag people seem to be setting on
07:07 <+perlDreamer> Authors run all tests, like Perl::Critic and such
07:07 <+perlDreamer> but end users should never get source code that fails those tests
07:07 <+perlDreamer> so they'll run API and functionality tests
07:08 <+perlDreamer> http://search.cpan.org/src/THALJEF/Test-Perl-Critic-1.01/README
07:08 <@preaction> i suppose, there are more than a few distros on CPAN that need to be force installed for stupid reasons
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07:33 < CIA-18> WebGUI: colin * r5076 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Asset.t: Add tests for the tempspace node.
07:34 <+perlDreamer> preaction: I added the 4 assetId's I know of to magic numbers
07:34 <+perlDreamer> that's a great page, btw
07:34 <@preaction> sweet, thanks
07:34 <@preaction> i thought so, i've been racked trying to keep track of them all
07:35 <@preaction> some aren't really "magic", they're just there. but all the things that webgui doesn't let you delete...
07:35 <+perlDreamer> yeah, some are more "tribal knowledge"
07:35 <+perlDreamer> admin = 3
07:36 <@preaction> Everyone = group 7, Visitor = 1
07:36 <@preaction> etc...
07:36 <+perlDreamer> right
07:36 <@preaction> i've been wondering if it's possible to use PPI to write things that will generate i18n and Help modules for me
07:37 <+perlDreamer> there's already a script for i18n modules
07:37 <@preaction> really?
07:37 <+perlDreamer> yeah!
07:37 <+perlDreamer> You didn't know about it?
07:37 <@preaction> nope
07:37 <+perlDreamer> that's why I invented echo
07:38 <@preaction> i've been using vim macros, re-generating the macro every time i need to make an i18n module :(
07:38 <+perlDreamer> weird
07:38 <+perlDreamer> I don't see in in the contribs area
07:39 <+perlDreamer> I'll add it now
07:39 <+perlDreamer> but it should be rewritten to use PPI instead in the long term
07:39 <@preaction> sounds great (incidentally a day or two after i needed it ;)
07:39 <@preaction> indeed
07:40 <@preaction> PPI could be used to do detect processTemplate as well, thusly getting a datastructure and generating Help modules
07:40 <@preaction> i think JT was talking about these sort of things before, code generation like RoR seems to have in spades
07:40 <@preaction> i wonder what happened with his asset skeleton generator script
07:40 <+perlDreamer> RoR does help and i18n generation for you?
07:41 <@preaction> no, but it does skeleton generation things i think
07:41 <@preaction> i dunno, i just know what JT said about it
07:44 <@preaction> perlDreamer, i found it, in misc as "i18n.pl"
07:45 <+perlDreamer> yup, that's it
07:45 <+perlDreamer> there's one more caveat that should be documented
07:45 <+perlDreamer> it overwrites your source code with s/->echo/->get/
07:46 <@preaction> that could be a project for that google high school of code thing, code generation tools
07:47 <@preaction> or, a way to have inheritable i18n objects, that'd be nice too
07:47 <+perlDreamer> inheritable i18n objects?
07:47 <+perlDreamer> oh, like inheritable Help objects
07:47 <@preaction> so that we can reuse things like "save" and "cancel", but they could also be overridden if the language demands it
07:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI: colin * r5077 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/t/Asset/Asset.t: backporting tempspace constructor check from head
07:48 <+perlDreamer> I thought it worked that way now
07:48 <+perlDreamer> if it can't find save in the current language pack, it looks back in English
07:49 <@preaction> i18n/Base.pm would have "save" and "cancel", i18n/Asset_Gallery.pm would inherit from there and, if Swedish needed it, they could override i Asset_Gallery.pm
07:49 <@preaction> it has a sort of inheritence by language, but it'd be nice to have a set of Common words / phrases that we could inherit from
07:49 <+perlDreamer> Base.pm == WebGUI.pm
07:50 <@preaction> right, but WebGUI.pm contains a bunch of stuff that may or may not be needed in Base.pm
07:50 <@preaction> but i suppose it wouldn't hurt, it could help with memory usage too (at a minor expense of hash lookups)
07:51 <+perlDreamer> Maybe WebGUI.pm just needs to be pared down farther so that it makes a more suitable Base.pm
07:51 <+perlDreamer> In the beginning, there were no namespaces
07:51 <+perlDreamer> Everything was flat.
07:51 <@preaction> exactly
07:51 <@preaction> i imagine that could be done as well
07:52 <+perlDreamer> that wasn't any fun
07:52 <@preaction> the inheritence wouldn't be too hard, i believe Help does it alredy, no?
07:52 <+perlDreamer> Yes.
07:52 <@preaction> you added that iirc
07:52 <+perlDreamer> Yes
07:52 <+perlDreamer> In fact, it would be simpler since there are no loops
07:52 <@preaction> indeed
07:52 <+perlDreamer> I had to write a recursive function for that
07:53 <@preaction> it'd just need an "inherits" class-scoped variable
07:53 <@preaction> or isa or whatevz
07:53 <@preaction> isa could work
07:53 <@preaction> might be a perversion of @ISA though
07:53 <+perlDreamer> it would also simplify the International interface
07:54 <+perlDreamer> since get calls would never need to access a foreign namespace
07:55 <@preaction> like the fact there are two i18n objects instanciated in some of the WebGUI auth methods
07:55 <@preaction> probably more than just there, even
07:56 <@preaction> i hesitate to screw around too much with i18n though, since it would mean a whole bunch of translations would need updating
07:56 <@preaction> i mean, not all the "save" buttons use the same "save" i18n label
07:56 <@preaction> so we might not be able to carve a swath of destruction at this point in time, unfortunately
07:57 <+perlDreamer> once you knew the final form of the new i18n, you could script the changes to all translations
07:57 <+perlDreamer> since the keys are always in English :)
07:57 <@preaction> of course
07:58 <+perlDreamer> what has you up late hacking tonight?
07:58 <@preaction> perhaps then we should add a $I18N_VERSION class-scoped variable so we know which translations have been migrated to the new interface?
07:58 <@preaction> i've been thinking a lot about using $VERSION and other flags to have API versioning
07:59 <@preaction> a sort of progressive enhancement for the WebGUI API
07:59 <@preaction> oh, it's only midnight, trying to get more stuff done on the Gallery. i'm up to 4 pages done out of 12
07:59 <@preaction> rest should be done by end of next week, and then week after that i have to try to clean up what i can before release
08:06 <@preaction> Interesting thing about WebGUI #708: When passing in the "action" URL to WebGUI::Form::formHeader, it will DWYM if the URL contains a query string (?func=something will change into <input type="hidden" name="func" value="something" />)
08:08 <+perlDreamer> I bet that's legacy compatibility code
08:09 <@preaction> probably, but it's also a nice feature since a lot of forms are submitted to func=something pages
08:09 <@preaction> i've been making the hidden elements myself, but apparently i don't have to
08:10 <+perlDreamer> it _does_ save a call to hidden
08:10 <+perlDreamer> I've been doing the same.
08:10 <@preaction> not really, it calls hidden itself. it's just cleaner code
08:10 <+perlDreamer> do you mean cleaner to have the explicit call, or the cleaner via the url?
08:11 <@preaction> via the url
08:11 <@preaction> easier to read, imho
08:11 <@preaction> shorter to write as well
08:11 <@preaction> part of those "good habits"
08:11 <+perlDreamer> Definitely, but it reminds me of "mystery meat".  It has weird side effects.
08:12 <@preaction> how so? it DWYM
08:12 <@preaction> i mean, some servers/browsers understand query strings in the action="" attribute, but most don't that i know of
08:12 <+perlDreamer> It's undocumented.  That's the mystery.  But that's also easily fixable :)
08:12 <@preaction> i've fixed it already
08:13 <+perlDreamer> committed?
08:13 <@preaction> i also fixed that sub and commented the code while i was at it
08:13 <@preaction> it's in my branch, so it'll be committed when i merge
08:13  * perlDreamer mutters "patience, patience" to himself
08:13 <@preaction> indeed
08:14 <+perlDreamer> was something else broken about it?
08:14 <@preaction> nope
08:14 <+perlDreamer> I need a patron to support me so I can write test code and fix wG bugs 40/hours week.
08:14 <@preaction> oh, i added some parameter checking and a call to croak, because i'm starting to get very annoyed at seeing errors in code i have never touched
08:14 <+perlDreamer> that's good
08:15 <+perlDreamer> WGBP (and Perl::Critic) will mandate croaking
08:16 <+perlDreamer> well, I think there's a no-die policy in Perl::Critic
08:18 <@preaction> would it be simpler to simply write: my $value = $options->{ value } ||= "default"; than to write a bunch of ternary conditionals on the existence of that options hashref?
08:19 <+perlDreamer> I like the exists check better, because it won't autovivify that key in the hash
08:19 <@preaction> my $action      = $params && $params->{ action } ? $params->{ action } : $session->url->page(); <- seems verbose to me
08:19 <+perlDreamer> _and_ it doesn't alter the hashref that got passed to you
08:19 <@preaction> ah, that would be bad
08:20 <+perlDreamer> yeah, like MrHairGrease found out in Post.pm
08:20 <@preaction> i defaulted $params to an empty hashref now, so i don't have to check that $params exists, just if the key exists
08:21 <@preaction> so exists instead of $param->{ value } || "default"? <- that'll autovivify too?
08:21 <@preaction> i think we fixed the Post.pm at the source: $asset->get returns a copy no matter what now
08:22 <+perlDreamer> right
08:22 <+perlDreamer> my understanding is that calling a hash with any key will autovivify it
08:22 <@preaction> humph, better safe then
08:22 <+perlDreamer> well, might be worth double checking
08:22 <+perlDreamer> I'm not on p5p anymore
08:22 <+perlDreamer> it may have changed
08:24 <@preaction> personal question: how does one wade through the insanity that is perlmonks?
08:24 <@preaction> i tried the RSS feed, but there's no way to handle that influx of data
08:24 <+perlDreamer> I have no idea.  I've never done it :/
08:25 <+perlDreamer> I think the ->echo check wants to be a separate policy
08:28 <+perlDreamer> but it needs to subclass the NoIllegalI18NLabels to get the convenience methods
08:28 <+perlDreamer> either that, or I need my own Utility module
08:28 <@preaction> i think you're right about the legacy code thing, there's something screwy going on here
08:28 <@preaction> perlbot paste
08:28 < perlbot> Paste your code to http://sial.org/pbot/perl http://erxz.com/pb or http://p3m.org/pfn/perl and #Perl will be able to view it.
08:29 <@preaction> http://sial.org/pbot/28954 <- what is line 147 doing?
08:29 <@preaction> more appropriate: why?
08:29 <+perlDreamer> You may want to run Perl::Critic on pre-release code, and not have it gripe about echo calls
08:30 <+perlDreamer> So a separate module allows overriding via the dev's local policy file
08:30 <@preaction> oh, no, i agree with you on the PC echo tests being lower priority than the other one
08:30 <@preaction> i mean my paste, there's something screwy going on
08:31 <+perlDreamer> line 147 find the first string 'amp;' and strips it out
08:31 <+perlDreamer> it should strip out &amp;
08:32 <+perlDreamer> that would be better, otherwise there's a partial encoding left over
08:32 <+perlDreamer> I'd recommend writing  tests against the original code to make sure your refactoring doesn't add/subtract side effects
08:33 <@preaction> it also will never contain a ;, since you already split on them
08:33 <@preaction> can't write a test until i know what it's doing, and it looks like it's doing nothing at all
08:34 <@preaction> besides that it's broken and doesn't understand that & can also be used to separate parameters, and that HTML Entities are not used in URLs (they're URL encoded)
08:34 <@preaction> so imma fix it, and write tests against it fixed
08:34 <+perlDreamer> Imma gonna crash out
08:35 <+perlDreamer> This weekend I'll continue hacking on the new policy
08:35 <+perlDreamer> 'night
08:35 <@preaction> night
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06:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: colin * r5078 /WebGUI/t/Storage/Image.t: 
06:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: Rewrite the adjustMaxFilesize test to be data driven.
06:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: Check the original sizes, and resized sizes exactly.
06:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: Hoping that this fixes last night's Image.t test failure.
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15:17 < leopardus> what is the function of ImportNode?
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04:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: colin * r5079 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Session.pm: ran perlcritic -stern on Session.pm. Fixed a few things that it recommends. Session.pm was clean for -gentle
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08:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: colin * r5080 /WebGUI/t/lib/Perl/Critic/Policy/WebGUI/NoIllegalI18NLabels.pm: 
08:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: Remove debugging code.
08:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: Add in code to actually check the label in the requested namespace.
08:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: Now the problem becomes how to get all the right paths to
08:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: the right modules.
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08:58 < leopardus> http://www.webgui.org is not coming up!!
08:59 < leopardus> ok, now ;)
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21:02 <@preaction> good morning happy people!
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21:38 < dirtyPair> anyone around?
21:42 <@preaction> yesm
21:45 < dirtyPair> pm please
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21:56 <@preaction> for what purpose? there's nothing that i can help you with that you can't ask the channel
21:57 <@preaction> anything that would require PM is probably something for a professional
21:58 < dirtyPair> my understanding is that this is the chan of professionals behind webgui?
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21:58 <@preaction> this is a channel for developers and users to get help from the community
21:59 <@preaction> paid support (from plainblack, for example) has its own forum (and in the case of plainblack, phone system)
22:00 < dirtyPair> is that a plainblack chan?
22:00 < dirtyPair> is there
22:00 < nuba> this is a place where people involved with/interested in webgui hangout
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22:00 <@preaction> if you want plainblack support, you need to go to plainblack's support forum, and that costs money
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22:00 < dirtyPair> i am interested in hiring a team of webgui professionals, please direct me to the right place
22:00 <@preaction> http://plainblack.com/contact_us
22:00 < dirtyPair> thank you
22:01 < nuba> people here do some handholding sometimes out of their own kindness and willingness to share the word about webgui ;)
22:01 < dirtyPair> my project is too large for someone to do it our of kindness
22:01 < dirtyPair> and i can't type
22:02 < nuba> heh i see
22:02 < dirtyPair> plainblack is in va?
22:02 <@preaction> wisconsin
22:02 < dirtyPair> telephone has va area code?
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22:03 <@preaction> Skype / voicemail provider / other service maybe
22:06 < dirtyPair> how is webgui different from joomla?
22:14 < dirtyPair> is everyone busy or does my breath stink?
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22:21 < SDuensin> Hey dirtyPair 
22:22 < dirtyPair> hi
22:22 <@khenn> I've never used Joomla =(
22:24 < SDuensin> khenn - Good for you.  :-)
22:24 < SDuensin> The admin interface on Joomla drives me batty.
22:24 <@khenn> http://www.cmsmatrix.org you can compare the two
22:24 < SDuensin> Ah!  Forgot about CMS Matrix!
22:25 < dirtyPair> oh wow, that's helpful
22:25 <@khenn> glad I could be of service =)
22:27 < dirtyPair> hmm
22:27 < dirtyPair> webgui fails in commerce which is what i need it for
22:30 <@khenn> we are going to be doing a major overhaul to commerce this year:
22:30 <@khenn> http://www.webgui.org/webgui/roadmap
22:31 < dirtyPair> 2008 i assume?
22:31 <@khenn> commerce is still fairly flexible.  There are just a few things it won't do + the interface is lacking some of the glam it needs
22:31 <@khenn> yes 2008
22:40 < knowmad> dirtyPair: we use "another" system for ecommerce sites
22:40 < knowmad> hoping that will change in 2008
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22:43 < dirtyPair> what is it usually used for?
22:43 < dirtyPair> and there is a LOT of cms software out there
22:43 < knowmad> we use it for nearly any other website we create from static to CMS to custom development
22:44 < knowmad> yes, the benefits of Open Source!
22:44 < dirtyPair> hmm, i feel like it's overkill @_@
22:45 < knowmad> here's why we chose WebGUI -- Open Source product, backed by a Company, active community with conferences, written in a language we are familiar with, extensible
22:45 < dirtyPair> that's interesting, is there a cms built just for commerce?
22:45 < dirtyPair> isn't joomla very similar? and it seems more popular
22:45 < dirtyPair> popular meaning better support?
22:45 < knowmad> we've used it for just over a year now and are very happy with our decision as are our clients; i think the upcoming features in 7.5 (see the Roadmap) will make it an even better choice
22:46 < knowmad> huh? i've never seen popular = better support
22:46 < knowmad> i've seen popular = bad extensions due to script kiddies making plugins
22:46 <@preaction> joomla is also built on PHP, which is a poorly designed / implemented language
22:47 < knowmad> but i can't speak to joomla as i've never really used it; we steered away from it b/c it was written in PHP (a subset of Perl), didn't have a company behind it as i recall and wasn't as featureful as WebGUI
22:47 <@preaction> i say this as a Perl God, so ymmv
22:47 <@preaction> perlbot php
22:47 < perlbot> http://tnx.nl/php http://czth.net/pH/PHPSucks
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22:48 <@preaction> WebGUI has more enterprise features than any other F/OSS CMS i've seen so far (drupal, joomla, mambo)
22:48 < knowmad> well now there's good PHP and bad PHP
22:49 < knowmad> in general though, I find more bad PHP than good PHP; it has a place but it's not my language of choice (btw, i'm not a Plain Black employee)
22:49 < perlmonkey2> Yeah, WebGUI just plain rawks.
22:49 < dirtyPair> webgui was recommended to me by a good fellow so i have no doubt of its power
22:49 < knowmad> sounds like your choice comes down to whether you want quick and dirty or a long-term platform you can grow into
22:51 < perlmonkey2> knowmad: I'd think WebGUI for both reasons.
22:52 < dirtyPair> i didn't notice joomla did not have a company supporting it amist its awards and invitations from google
22:53 < perlmonkey2> I have a client who just received a receipt of payment for a hosted webgui account, but there is no address or way to get to the site in the email.
22:53 < dirtyPair> i am rather impatient with my project even though i have no right to be
22:53 < dirtyPair> but i would prefer a long term platform
22:53 < perlmonkey2> IP Address:         Logged for security purposes.
22:54 < perlmonkey2> Oh, that is the payment ip address.
22:56 < perlmonkey2> Once a hosted account is created, how long does it normally take before the site is set up and an ip address is emailed to them?
22:56 <@preaction> no more than 24 hours that i can think of, it's not my department
22:59 <@preaction> perlmonkey2, did you get the new permissions for the plainblack support boards? http://plainblack.com/support
23:00 < perlmonkey2> preaction: all the client received was an email saying that their payment transaction went through.
23:00 <@preaction> when was that?
23:01 < perlmonkey2> an hour or so ago
23:03 <@preaction> yeah, Jamie will follow up on that within 24hrs.
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23:05 < perlmonkey2> I'm pumped.....I got $work to back off and I'm getting 3 weeks this month to try to finish Rizen's survey module (if he hasn't farmed it out to someone else).
23:08 <@khenn> I don't think he has
23:10 < perlmonkey2> khenn: groovy
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00:07 < wgGuest45> hello everybody
00:07 < wgGuest45> this is question related to modproxy (apache)
00:08 < wgGuest45> its in <newsite>.conf file
00:08 < wgGuest45> the line:    # deal with port number in HTTP_HOST
00:08 < wgGuest45> oops read this:    # deal with port number in HTTP_HOST
00:09 < wgGuest45> what will this two line do?
00:09 < wgGuest45> (you know this if you have WRE in your system)
00:11 <@preaction> what's the other line? i only got a comment. use the pastebin in the /topic
00:12 < wgGuest45> # deal with port number in HTTP_HOST
00:12 < wgGuest45> RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} :80
00:12 < wgGuest45> RewriteRule ^/(.*) http://%{SERVER_NAME}/$1 [P]
00:12 <@preaction> again, you shouldn't paste code into the channel, use the pastebin in the topic
00:13 < wgGuest45> oops.. 
00:13 < wgGuest45> sorry
00:13 <@preaction> those are the lines that proxy all requests over to the modperl instance
00:14 <@preaction> well, all requests that haven't been handled yet
00:14 < wgGuest45> what if i want to change that port 80 to some other port?
00:14 <@preaction> also it looks broken, what version of the WRE are you working with?
00:14 <@preaction> the port number should be in the RewriteRule, not the RewriteCond
00:15 < wgGuest45> wre-0.8.0-unbuntu-7.0.4-feisty
00:16 <@preaction> so what do you want to do exactly?
00:17 < wgGuest45> i am using wre .. i just want my site host in some other port than 80(default)
00:18 <@preaction> to get around ISP or to host another server on port 80?
00:20 < wgGuest45> ya second option
00:21 <@preaction> if you're just hosting another server on port 80, another apache server, why not use that one to proxy webgui? or why not use the modproxy of webgui to host other sites? either option would be better than a THIRD apache instance
00:22 < wgGuest45> umm.. yaa.. 
00:23 < wgGuest45> what should i do if i want to choose first option
00:23 <@preaction> use another server to proxy webgui? basically copy and paste the <VirtualHost> ... </VirtualHost> block somewhere where the other server can read it
00:23 < wgGuest45> just creating virtualhost will be enough?
00:24 <@preaction> creating it with the same directives should be enough
00:24 <@preaction> any problems that occur would be outside of the WRE, thus would have to be handled elsewhere (#apache on this network is a very good place to get help with apache)
00:25 < wgGuest45> hmm.. (i should have done this before.. damn)
00:25 <@preaction> otherwise, if you change that :80, yes, that will work
00:25 <@preaction> but you also have to change the <VirtualHost *:80> and anywhere else that :80 pops up
00:25 <@preaction> but again, now you're running three apache instances
00:26 <@preaction> keeping the modperl one seperate is a Good Idea, but having two proxies in front of it? not so much
00:26 < wgGuest45> what about modperl?
00:26 <@preaction> what about it?
00:26 < wgGuest45> oh (you just mention it)
00:28 <@preaction> keeping modperl seperate is good because it loads WebGUI itself, it uses more memory/CPU and you can monitor that memory / CPU seperately, without affecting your other sites
00:28 < wgGuest45> that mean  i can use  WRE modperl with other Apache of system?
00:29 <@preaction> that's what i'm suggesting, yes
00:29 < wgGuest45> ya.. thats sounds good!.. cause i have other site running on same machine.. i have to keep running all those with new WebGUI too
00:30 < wgGuest45> i mean new webgui site.
00:30 <@preaction> theoretically you could make your own proxy Vhosts, but WRE's modproxy includes directives to speed things up (like serving static content via the proxy and not via webgui)
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01:28 < wgGuest45> i know this is problem specific to apache
01:29 < wgGuest45> but when i put <virtualhost>..... to apache config
01:29 < wgGuest45> its showing error. 
01:29 < wgGuest45> 'rewrite...'
01:29 < wgGuest45> its showing error on all 'rewrite .. '
01:29 < wgGuest45> my apache version is Apache/2.2.4 (Ubuntu)
01:30 < wgGuest45> it shows error on "RewriteEngine On"
01:33 <@preaction_> you're on freenode, go to #apache
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01:59 < wgGuest29> hey guys
01:59 < wgGuest29> anyone got some time to help out a n00blet
02:02 < wgGuest29> I recently downloaded and installed the 0.8.0 on a mac box at work - we are trying to set up webgui for a test run
02:02 < wgGuest29> however - in my limited server admin experience I seem to have developed a problem
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15:50 < SDuensin> Greetings.
15:51 < ckotil> Good Morning.
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18:18 < perlmonkey2> When creating a new Wobject to be submitted into the core objects, how are namespaces decided?  In particular, if I rewrite the survey module to JT's spec, will it use something like "AjaxSurvey" or just reuse "Survey"?
18:18 < perlmonkey2> And reusing "Survey" will make dev a pain in the arse 
19:13 < perlmonkey2> no one can help with the Wobject namespace issue?
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20:48 < perlDreamer> perlmonkey2: It depends on how the upgrade from old Survey to new Survey works.
20:48 < perlDreamer> Try to catch preaction, since he went through this with the EventsCalendar->Calendar upgrade
20:49 < perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: Cool, thanks for the heads up.
21:00 < ckotil> wG just brought a tear to my eye.
21:00 < ckotil> I needed to edit by branch, and set a new meta data field.
21:01 < ckotil> at first this didnt appear to be possible, then i added another meta data field. which is able to be edited by branch
21:02 < ckotil> im gonna try to create customized views based on this meta data. 
21:22 < ckotil> now i gotta figure out how to get this metadata via a template variable
22:14 < ckotil> this proved trivial for an article asset. i cant figure it out for a page layout and nav asset. Ive added a simple page variable to the nav asset in the past, but i suspect this is more difficult.
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22:59 < perlDreamer> ckotil: it should be the same for any asset
23:00 < ckotil> ok, ill try to add the variable to the nav asset the same way I added a page variable in the past
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23:10 < perlDreamer> rizen!
23:10 <@rizen> pd!
23:10 < perlDreamer> What's happening the world of TMRFE?
23:11 <@rizen> just got back from the hospital
23:11 <@rizen> sarah had a minor procedure
23:11 <@rizen> but all is well
23:11 < perlDreamer> good
23:11 <@rizen> working on 2008 budgets
23:11 <@rizen> today
23:12 < perlDreamer> Kathy just got back from New Mexico for the weekend
23:12 <@rizen> cuz doing accounting stuff tomorrow
23:12 <@rizen> nice
23:12 < perlDreamer> I almost killed the kids, but all is well here, too
23:12 <@rizen> sarah just got back from minnesota
23:12 <@rizen> kathy wouldn't ever hurt anybody
23:12 <@rizen> except maybe you
23:12 < perlDreamer> Oh yeah, I'm dead meat
23:14 < perlDreamer> She had the procedure done in Minnesota?
23:15 <@rizen> no she went to see a friend this weekend
23:15 <@rizen> and had the proceedure today
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23:23 <@rizen> having furnace problems
23:24 <@rizen> trying to find a part
23:33 < CIA-18> WebGUI: colin * r5081 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fixing handling of http:// calls in the Extras URL
23:34 < perlDreamer> I keep telling you just pump the waste heat from your servers in the garage upstairs to heat your house.
23:34 < perlDreamer> You're wasting a ton of money in the winter
23:35 <@rizen> hehe
23:35 <@rizen> i know
23:35 <@rizen> i should stop pumping it into the ground
23:35 <@rizen> i'm causing global warming
23:35 < ckotil> from the inside
23:36 < ckotil> by that logic, anyone using geothermal energy to heat their homes is an ecoterrorist
23:39 < perlDreamer> Curse you WRE!
23:46 < perlDreamer> $bug->swat($session);
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00:57 < perlDreamer> The Catalyst guys have their own advent calendar
00:58 < perlDreamer> We should take Tavis's presentation and make our own.  Kind of a "gift back to the community" and advertising the next WUC
00:58 <@rizen> oh yeah
00:58 <@rizen> advent. that's a catholic thing right?
00:59 <@rizen> between ash wednesday and easter
00:59 <@rizen> or good friday
00:59 < perlDreamer> it's pretty generic Christian
00:59 <@rizen> oh
00:59 < perlDreamer> We celebrate it as Presbyterians
00:59 < perlDreamer> but I don't know about the other denominations
01:00 <@rizen> what's the URL to catalysts calendar?
01:00 < perlDreamer> http://catalyst.perl.org/calendar/2007/2
01:00 < perlDreamer> It's just a staged calendar
01:00 < perlDreamer> Not cool like the Perl one
01:00 < perlDreamer> http://www.perladvent.org/2006/
01:02 <@rizen> why are they doing it in december
01:02 <@rizen> i mean catalyst?
01:02 <@rizen> advent should be march, shouldn't it?
01:02 <@rizen> or ist that lent
01:03 <@rizen> oh crap
01:03 <@rizen> i'm an idiot
01:03 <@rizen> advent is the days leading up to christmas
01:03 <@rizen> it's that calendar of candy that you get when you're a kid
01:04 < perlDreamer> Yup
01:04 < perlDreamer> I think you could do it with an SQL Report
01:05 < perlDreamer> Each row would be coordinates for the box and a link to a pop-up or secondary page.
01:05 <@rizen> there are a couple of problems with it an none of them technical
01:05 <@rizen> problem 1 is that we're already 4 days into the month
01:05 <@rizen> problem 2 is that someone would have to write up all that crap
01:06 < perlDreamer> Problem 3 is that you're out of "someones" to do crap writing
01:06 <@rizen> problem 3 was implied with problem 2
01:06 < perlDreamer> True.  I was thinking cost vs availability
01:06 <@rizen> i'm already a month behind in my dev plan
01:07 <@rizen> for 7.5
01:25 < perlDreamer> Is it okay to start making Perl::Critic cleanups in the 7.5 branch?
01:26 <@rizen> absolutely
01:26 <@rizen> start with level 1s
01:26 <@rizen> which there should be very few
01:26 <@rizen> cuz i did it around the time of 7.0
01:26 <@rizen> and then we can keep ratcheting up the number
01:26 < perlDreamer> From what I've seen so far, they don't like things like 'return undef', the mix-ins for Asset, and our open and close methods
01:26 < perlDreamer> but we can wave those if we wish
01:27 < perlDreamer> (the open and close methods, I mean)
01:27 < perlDreamer> maybe I'll run a full report and post it for reference
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01:58 < perlDreamer> well, so much for the first 219 warnings
01:59 <@rizen> wow
01:59 < perlDreamer> If the test suite runs clean, then I'll commit that batch
01:59 < perlDreamer> It wasn't too hard....
01:59 <@rizen> you absolutely roooool
01:59 < perlDreamer> ack 'return undef' -l | xargs vim
02:00 < perlDreamer> I looove ack
02:00 <@rizen> what does that do exactly?
02:00 < perlDreamer> it builds a list of files that contain the string 'return undef', then passes that to vim
02:00 < perlDreamer> vim opens them all
02:00 < perlDreamer> and you bounce between files using :ne[xt] and :pr[ev]
02:00 <@preaction> that... is... awesome...
02:01 <@rizen> that's pretty cool
02:01 <@rizen> but then what do you do
02:01 <@rizen> you can't just remove return undef
02:01 <@rizen> some things depend on that
02:01 < perlDreamer> a bare return returns undef by default in scalar context
02:01 <@rizen> ah
02:02 < perlDreamer> and in list context, it returns an empty list, which is false
02:02 <@rizen> nice
02:02 <@rizen> that's sweet ass sweet
02:02 <@rizen> you've taught me two things in 30 seconds
02:03 < perlDreamer> We should have Damian Conway out to teach his vim class for the next WUC
02:03 < perlDreamer> It would rock
02:03 <@preaction> yes, yes it would
02:04 < perlDreamer> But I'm guessing he's pretty expensive, coming from Australia and all.
02:04 <@preaction> he's an aussie? did not know that
02:05 <@preaction> maybe we can get Jesse to ferry him over
02:05 < perlDreamer> He did an ad for the first Australian F/OSS conference
02:05 <@rizen> i think his consulting rate is $500 per hour
02:05 < perlDreamer> Basically it said you should come over because they have great beer and lots of poisonous animals
02:06 < perlDreamer> wow
02:07 <@rizen> some people at my local perl mongers group wanted me to get him to come talk at madmongers
02:11 <@preaction> there's only one choice: one of us will have to become as leet as him
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02:17 < perlDreamer> I nominate Jesse
02:17 < perlDreamer> He's got great credentials
02:17 < perlDreamer> being from the same continent
02:18 <@preaction> oi!
02:19 < perlDreamer> Is that a second?
02:20 <@preaction> first i have to learn how to say it in Aussie
02:21 < perlDreamer> Radix-wrk: since we're nominating you, you have the right to object, of course
02:21 <@preaction> oath!
02:22 <@rizen> it's got to be about 11:30 in the morning there
02:22 <@rizen> so he's probably at work
02:22 <@rizen> and can't talk
02:22 <@preaction> lame
02:38 < perlDreamer> preaction: I just started the Perl::Critic runs on the core for 7.5
02:39 < perlDreamer> Merge soon :)
02:39 <@preaction> this week and next are what i have, but it might push into the week after now: emergency situation in client site
02:39 < perlDreamer> gotcha
02:39 < perlDreamer> I'll try to avoid reindentation as much as possible
02:40 < perlDreamer> just don't do "return undef" and you should be fine
02:40 <@preaction> iirc diff/patch has an "ignore whitespace changes" option, and svn merge should have a way to pass flags to diff
02:46 < perlDreamer> CIA-18 is going to puke on that commit
02:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI: colin * r5084 /WebGUI/lib/ (92 files in 20 dirs): first round of Perl::Critic cleanups. Do not use return undef, use a bare return instead
02:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI: colin * r5085 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI.pm: Perl::Critic: no code before strictures are applied
02:49 < perlDreamer> 'night, guys
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03:06 <+Radix-wrk> What have I been nominated for?
03:06 <@rizen> to become a more leet haxzor than Damian Conway
03:06 <+Radix-wrk> lol
03:07 <+Radix-wrk> I wish :)
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03:32 < nuba> heh when i was a teenager i used to phantasize about finding some crazy sponsor that would cover my basic living expenses so that I could master some area of the human knowledge and do great stuff
03:32 < nuba> become a guru
03:33 < nuba> then of course reality kicked in in no time :)
03:34 <@preaction> reality ruins all our fun...
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03:39 < nuba> yep
03:40 < nuba> i guess i'll just work my ass off, save money, retire later, then sponsor myself
03:41 < nuba> oops, i mean retire early, then later sponsor myself
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06:33 < CIA-44> WebGUI: colin * r5086 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Help/ (62 files): 
06:33 < CIA-44> WebGUI: Perl::Critic has a policy check for putting any code
06:33 < CIA-44> WebGUI: before you apply strictures (use strict, use warnings, etc.)
06:33 < CIA-44> WebGUI: Add calls to use strict to each Help module. This is probably
06:33 < CIA-44> WebGUI: an overstrict interpretation of the rule.
06:33 < CIA-44> WebGUI: colin * r5087 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Help/ (61 files): correct punctuation
06:33 < CIA-44> WebGUI: colin * r5088 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/ (139 files): adding use strict to all these, too
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15:31 < xdanger> does the navigation asset ignore the startpoint completely? changing it has no effect on what comes out...
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16:28 < ckotil> make sure each asset is not hidden from navigatiton
16:29 < ckotil> or enable show hidden assets.
16:29 < ckotil> otherwise it will be problematic and appear to not work.
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17:29 < wgGuest64> anyone got a moment to help me troubleshoot an issue
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19:02 < perlDreamer> Perl::Critic just found a bug in A::W::HttpProxy::Parse
19:03 < CIA-44> WebGUI: colin * r5090 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (8 files in 5 dirs): all loop iterators have to be declared lexical. PBP/108
19:03 < CIA-44> WebGUI: colin * r5091 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (9 files in 5 dirs): no code allowed before use strict. PBP/429. This check found a bug in Asset::Wobject::HttpProxy::Parse.pm
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19:24 < perlDreamer> fyi, for anyone who was around yesterday for the P::C discussion
19:25 < perlDreamer> perlcritic -gentle (level 5) took 5 hours to run on my PIII dev box
19:28 < perlDreamer> There are 32 non PBP errors, all of the same type.  That is declaring a variable as part of a conditional.  my $foo = 'bar' if $baz;
19:28 < perlDreamer> Of the PBP errors, there are several small ones that I've been fixing this morning.
19:28 < perlDreamer> But the biggie is Expression form of "eval" at line 124, column 5.  See page 161 of PBP.
19:28 < perlDreamer> We depend on that for plugins and other functionality
19:32 < wgGuest64> If I make a template and put in the functions for logging into admin... and do the admintoggle is there something I need to put in to get the admin bar to come up on the left hand side of the page?
19:33 < perlDreamer>  Is it coming up somewhere else, or not at all?
19:33 < wgGuest64> not at all
19:33 < CIA-44> WebGUI: colin * r5092 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Operation/VersionTag.pm: Subroutine prototypes are verboten! PBP/194
19:34 < perlDreamer> Does the admintoggle show up?
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19:34 < perlDreamer> Any errors/warnings in your webgui.log?
19:34 < wgGuest64> not sure...  I'm still trying to figure out where to look next 
19:34 < perlDreamer> For this problem, two places
19:34 < perlDreamer> 1) Your webgui.log file
19:35 < perlDreamer> 2) Check the source for the page, and look for the admin bar in there.
19:35 < perlDreamer> it could be that other markup is interfering with it
19:35 < perlDreamer> Oh, you should know that while the user level part of wG works with all browsers, the Admin functions do not.
19:36 < perlDreamer> Also, if you're a PlainBlack customer, you can ask this question on their support boards and they'll help you fix it.
19:36 < wgGuest64> do you know the markup for the admin bar?  I have been trying to use the information I found on both a webgui FAQ and on the how to give your site your own look
19:36 < perlDreamer> You can get the markup from the demo site
19:36 < perlDreamer> http://demo.plainblack.com
19:37 < perlDreamer> just create a demo site, then log in, turn on admin and there you go!
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19:43 < wgGuest64> its saying cant call "Process" on an undefined value    adminbar.pm line 157
19:48 < perlDreamer> In your template, what does the macro call to adminbar look like?
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19:54 < wgGuest64> I found it... apparently when I was using the code from another site it said use ^adminbar(2);  I removed the (2) and it works
19:57 < wgGuest64> thanks for pointing me in the right direction
20:01 < perlDreamer> 2, by the way, is supposed to be a template id.
20:03 < wgGuest64> so if I were to create a new adminbar template
20:03 < wgGuest64> I would use that then
20:04 < perlDreamer> right.  it should be a weird looking, 22 character string
20:04 < wgGuest64> any idea why it wouldnt show the login boxes? (other than the fact I probably don't have them coded right?)
20:24 < perlDreamer> again, you'd need to look at the HTML code that's being generated.  From your browser, try View Source
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21:55 < dirtyPair> anyone around for a silly question
21:56 <@preaction_> perlbot ask
21:56 < perlbot> Don't ask to ask, just ask.
21:57 < dirtyPair> there are a lot of auction software out there such as www.auctionanything.com that one can buy but how does one integrate that into a site?
22:06 <@preaction_> you'd have to set up WebGUI to ignore that directory, put the system in your DocumentRoot, and set up apache to use a different handler for that directory and/or location
22:10 < dirtyPair> i am beginning to think i don't even need webgui
22:10 <@preaction_> crazy talk!
22:10 < dirtyPair> i just need an auction site
22:11 < dirtyPair> i can just pay someone to install and run the auction software
22:11 < dirtyPair> bypass webgui
22:12 < dirtyPair> and blackwhatever stopped responding to me
22:12 <@rizen> do you mean plainblack?
22:12 < dirtyPair> yea
22:13 <@rizen> when was their last response?
22:13 < dirtyPair> two days ago
22:13 < dirtyPair> they are not responding
22:14 < dirtyPair> they think my project is crazy
22:14 < dirtyPair> and i am not serious
22:14 <@rizen> 2 days isn't that long
22:14 <@rizen> especially if they are trying to estimate a project
22:14 < dirtyPair> i think they are laughing at my project
22:14 < dirtyPair> i don't blame them entirely
22:14 < dirtyPair> it is crazy
22:14 < dirtyPair> enough to make anyone think it's a joke
22:15 < dirtyPair> doesn't matter. i already contacted another
22:15 <@rizen> it's going to be expensive, whatever they come back with
22:15 < dirtyPair> open source software as a business will take time to develop
22:15 <@rizen> because you're talking about writing it from scratch
22:15 < dirtyPair> yea
22:16 <@rizen> at least from a webgui perspective
22:16 <@rizen> it has commerce features
22:16 <@rizen> but nothing even close to an auction
22:16 < dirtyPair> so i figure maybe i should buy software from someone else
22:16 < dirtyPair> skip webgui
22:16 <@rizen> why do you say that about open source business
22:17 < dirtyPair> because you are codewarriors not accountants
22:17 <@rizen> what does that have to do with anything?
22:17 <@rizen> and why can't we be both
22:17 < dirtyPair> now you are offended
22:17 <@rizen> no
22:17 <@rizen> just wondering
22:17 < dirtyPair> i never said you can't be both, just that you are not both
22:18 < dirtyPair> or are you a cpa as well?
22:18 <@rizen> plain black uses an accounting firm
22:18 <@rizen> so we don't need to be accountants
22:18 < wgGuest64> cant blame them there...
22:18 < dirtyPair> heh
22:18 < dirtyPair> nevermind
22:18 <@rizen> but we know a good deal about business
22:19 < dirtyPair> then why does 95% of the world still use microsoft?
22:19 < wgGuest64> becaue thats what they learned first
22:19 <@preaction_> trollbait?
22:19 < dirtyPair> you have a better product
22:19 < wgGuest64> some people dont want to bother LEARNING
22:19 <@preaction_> trollbait
22:20 < wgGuest64> on another note...  when I add in the form fields for putting in your login information it throws off the alignment of my CSS
22:21 <@preaction_> are you using the loginbox macro or your own form field?
22:21 < wgGuest64> my own form field - which is probably the problem
22:22 <@preaction_> no, but in order to diagnose CSS properly, you should go to the #css channel
22:22 <@preaction_> a note: the IRC network you're on is irc.freenode.net, if you want to use a proper IRC client
22:23 < wgGuest64> would it be easier to use a loginbox macro?
22:23 <@preaction_> easier, probably, but you'll probably still have a problem with your CSS
22:23 < wgGuest64> does plainblack do converting of templates into packages?
22:24 < wgGuest64> I originally found an opensource site that I am trying to implement - but the conversion is a tad on the tricky side
22:25 < wgGuest64> http://www.opendesigns.org/preview/?template=947
22:25 < wgGuest64> just in case anyones wondering
22:26 <@preaction_> https://www.plainblack.com/store/services/development/design/process/quote <- perhaps this is what you're looking for?
22:27 <@rizen> it will cost you between $300 and $500 (we aren't cheap for that sort of thing)
22:28 < wgGuest64> well I understand that
22:28 < wgGuest64> and I wouldnt have any problems paying if thats what it comes down to
22:28 < wgGuest64> btw how do i change my name in this channel
22:28 <@preaction_> use /nick
22:29 <@rizen> do /nick name
22:29 <@preaction_> it's a standard IRC client, if you've used one of thems before
22:32 -!- wgGuest64 is now known as teflond0n
22:32 < teflond0n> thanks.
22:33 < teflond0n> btw - I appreciate the help.  I understand you guys are an open source business.... figured it would be nice since I haven't slung money your way to atleast show some gratitude
22:34 -!- wgGuest45 is now known as metanil
22:35 < metanil> can i use standard IRC client instead of this java based web embedded client
22:39 <@preaction_> metanil, yes, it's just freenode. the java client is just for convenience and for those who don't use IRC much
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22:43 < metanil> one quick question.. 
22:44 < teflond0n> which piece of educational material from plainblack would help me work on conversion of the site?
22:44 < metanil> i see several users created in mysql with weird name.. what was it for???
22:44 <@preaction_> teflond0n, probably the designer's guide. there's also a very nice article on the Wiki about "How to give WebGUI your own style"
22:45 <@preaction_> metanil, those are for the site's normal access to the database, look in your webgui.conf files (WebGUI/etc/sitename.conf) and look for "dbUser" and "dbPass"
22:45 < teflond0n> I've went through that article a few times... I may just be taking the wrong approach
22:46 < metanil> o o.. if i switched the mysql database.. then i should create this users.. right? BTW, do i have to give some specific privilege to these users?
22:47 <@preaction_> metanil, the user needs all privileges to their specific database
22:47 < metanil> yaa.. i got it.. thanks.. i'll try it then.. and get back here.
22:55 < metanil> how do i connect to this channel?
22:56 < metanil> any command?
22:56 <@preaction_> irc.freenode.net, #webgui
22:57 < metanil> it says unknown command
22:57 <@preaction_> what command are you running?
22:58 < metanil> just "#webgui"
22:58 <@preaction_> you need to /join #webgui
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22:58 < metanil> o o
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22:59 < metani1> thanks preaction..it work!
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23:04 < metanil> how many that 'weird' mysql username is created for single site?
23:05 < metanil> i found four on database.. and i guess my site is only using one of them..
23:06 <@preaction_> one for each site should be created, you might want to check what database they have permissions on (and you can delete them if you want)
23:07 < metanil> the password in <mysite>.conf file in in MD5 ..right?
23:13 < metanil> or is it a simple text..
23:20 < metanil> hello
23:20 < metanil> why it is using same old mysql sock file
23:20 < metanil> /data/wre/var/mysqldata/mysql.sock'
23:21 < metanil> i looked through the code but  i cannot find any setting related to the path of the mysql.sock file. 
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23:39 < perlDreamer> metanil, the password in the conf file should be plaintext
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00:11 < perlDreamer> preaction: you're such a nice guy
00:11 < perlDreamer> preaction_: you're a nice guy, too
00:12 <@preaction_> you lie, you blaspheme
00:12 < perlDreamer> Okay.  You drive valuable members away from our community you treacherous keyboard addicted knothead
00:13 <@preaction_> woohoo!
00:13 <@apeiron> perlDreamer, use laziness; s/trea.+$/troll/;
00:13 <@rizen> i object
00:13 <@rizen> that's my job
00:13 <@rizen> don't let preaction do that
00:14 < perlDreamer> perl: Can't locate laziness.pm in @INC
00:14 < perlDreamer> Rats
00:14 < perlDreamer> Time for a new RFE
00:14 < perlDreamer> perlbot: Connect to RFE forum and submit (title => Need more laziness in WRE, content => Please write, and then add the laziness pragma to the WRE for 0.8.2)
00:15 < perlDreamer> perlbot: karmatize "Need more laziness in WRE", transfer 20_000
00:16 < perlDreamer> rizen: I would have picked you, but that would have been Wii addicted rather than keyboard ;)
00:17 <@rizen> wow
00:17 <@rizen> that would be cool if you could do it
00:17 < perlDreamer> It would give a new meaning to hacking code
00:17 <@rizen> the perlbot connect to forum thing
00:18 < perlDreamer> Surely someone somewhere has figured out how to map Wii output into keyboard macros and hot keys
00:19 < perlDreamer> Speaking of hacking, I need to hack the nightly build server and then run that Storage/Image.t test by hand to figure out why it's broken.
00:19 < perlDreamer> All of my debug output is being trapped by prove
00:20 <@preaction_> there's something i know of that lets you connect the Wii to Windows computers and use the GH3 guitar to play Frets On Fire
00:20 <@preaction_> GlovePIE <- that's what it is
00:20 <@preaction_> i want to hack a proper linux driver so i can use the wiimote as a mouse
00:21 <@preaction_> there's a youtube video about a guy who made the computer interface from Minority Report using a wiimote
00:21 < perlDreamer> that would be cool
00:21 <@preaction_> http://www.wiili.org/index.php/DarwiinRemote <- omg... it's already been made
00:21 <@preaction_> for MacOSX even
00:22 <@preaction_> so JT could do it on his TV
00:24 <@preaction_> http://www.wiili.org/index.php/Remote_Buddy <- this thing is damn cool too, looks like you can enhance your existing apple IR remote with it
00:31 < perlDreamer> Please input a motion for selecting the DVD player
00:31 < perlDreamer> Please input a motion for turning off the TV
00:31 < perlDreamer> Now, what would be really cool is if you combine it with X10
00:31 < perlDreamer> Lights on
00:32 < perlDreamer> Rear lights dim to 50%
00:32 < perlDreamer> Stereo on
00:54 < metanil> hey
00:55 < metanil> anyone known to this problem. 
00:55 < metanil> /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by /data/wre/prereqs/bin/perl)
00:55 <@preaction_> do you have GCC with glibc 2.4? are you using the right WRE? are you compiling the WRE?
00:56 <@preaction_> http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/oreilly/radar/atom/~3/195702042/openid_20_final.html <- OpenID 2.0 is released. This looks like something that needs to be in Core (/me adds RFE)
00:57 < perlDreamer> wasn't Cap10Morgan doing an OpenId already?
00:57 <@preaction_> no, danny_mk made one and it's on the contribs, but it's the old OpenID, 2.0 was just released
00:57 <@preaction_> the old OpenID from bradfitz of Six Apart / LiveJournal
00:57 < metanil> yes i have gcc 
00:57 < metanil> gcc (GCC) 4.0.3 (Ubuntu 4.0.3-1ubuntu5)
00:58 < perlDreamer> ah, but what about glibc?
00:58 < metanil> don't know about glibc.. 
00:58 <@preaction_> and your glibc? are you using the WRE that was compiled for ubuntu? there seems to be problems with it
00:58 <@preaction_> apt-get install build-essential <- necessary
00:58 < metanil> yes
00:58 < metanil> i downloaded one from plainblack site
00:59 < metanil> i did that a month ago.. i guess. 
00:59 <@preaction_> which one though?
01:02 < metanil> i guess its the wrong version.. the one i download and test is for version 7.04 feisty 
01:03 < metanil> and i am trying it to setup in 6.06 dapper
01:03 < metanil> so my bad
01:03 <@preaction_> you're using the latest 0.8.1 WRE, right? get the source install and build it yourself. 
01:03 < metanil> no .. 0.8.0
01:03 <@preaction_> 0.8.1 was released a few days ago
01:03 < metanil> but i didn't see any version 0.8.1 for 6.06 right
01:04 < metanil> it just say ubuntu 6 server.. 
01:04 < metanil> will that work?
01:04 <@preaction_> perlbot tias
01:04 < perlbot> Try It And See: the best way to learn if something works.
01:04 <@preaction_> but i would suggest building it yourself
01:05 < metanil> hmm.. 
01:05 < metanil> i think  wre-0.7.2-ubuntu-6.06-i386-3.tar.gz will also work .. right?
01:05 < metanil> but its 0.7.2  (OLD!)
01:05 <@preaction_> you don't want to use the WRE 0.7.2
01:05 < perlDreamer> No
01:05 <@preaction_> there are WRE build instructions on the wiki
01:07 < metanil> ok i'm downloading the source
01:07 < metanil> the latest one
01:10 <@preaction_> i imagine if you offer to zip up your /data/wre folder when you're done and upload it to sourceforge, we can help you through the build process
01:11 <@preaction_> the OpenID auth module is now number 10 on the RFE list, and i only used half my karma ;)
01:11 < perlDreamer> Has it been approved already?
01:12 <@preaction_> yup
01:12  * perlDreamer alleges nepotism
01:12 < metanil> ok sure.. 
01:12 <@preaction_> if you can't prove it, it didn't happen
01:13 <@preaction_> metanil, by that i mean if something goes wrong, we can help fix it. you'll still need to use the instructions on the wiki
01:13 < metanil> ya.. i'm in.
01:18 < CIA-44> WebGUI: colin * r5093 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Help/Macros.pm: do not modify $_ in list functions. PBP/114
01:18 < CIA-44> WebGUI: colin * r5094 /WebGUI/lib/XML/RSS/Creator.pm: 
01:18 < CIA-44> WebGUI: Bareword file handle. See pages 202,204 of PBP. (Severity: 5)
01:18 < CIA-44> WebGUI: Two-argument "open". See page 207 of PBP. (Severity: 5)
01:19 < perlDreamer> This Perl::Critic thing is very cool
01:19 < perlDreamer> But Martin is going to hate it
01:20 <@preaction_> oh i imagine we're all going to hate it eventually
01:23 < perlDreamer> level 5 isn't too bad yet
01:23 < perlDreamer> but the eval thing is going to be tough
01:24 <@preaction_> can't use string eval?
01:24 < perlDreamer> no
01:25 < perlDreamer> PBP, page 191
01:29 <@preaction_> contextual return values?
01:30 < perlDreamer> whoops! sorry
01:30 < perlDreamer> wrong bug
01:30 < perlDreamer> page 161
01:31 <@preaction_> yeah, can't use string eval
01:31 < perlDreamer> actually, if you have 15 minutes, you could take this one: WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Calendar.pm: Don't modify $_ in list functions at line 861, column 13.  See page 114 of PBP.  (Severity: 5)
01:31 < perlDreamer> it's a postfix for statement
01:32 <@preaction_> there was a Good Reason for that! *mutter mumble*
01:32 <@preaction_> k, will see
01:32 < perlDreamer> oh, dude
01:32 < perlDreamer> Don't worry
01:32 < perlDreamer> A bunch of my code got pinged too
01:33 < perlDreamer> and this is only level 5
01:33 <@preaction_> eh, it's the Calendar, it's old-me code
01:33 < perlDreamer> Yeah.  A younger, less experienced preaction.  Not the current, grizzled world weary hacker of 2007
01:33 <@preaction_> amen brotha
01:34 <@preaction_> not the one that's about to write an apache module to translate samba requests
01:34 < perlDreamer> Huh?
01:34 < perlDreamer> We're getting a samba plug-in?
01:35 <@preaction_> no, i'm going to write an apache plugin to allow me to do: http://example.com/\\winblowz\share
01:35 <@preaction_> or something
01:36 <@preaction_> i've spent 3 days getting an OBSD box with PF working to do traffic shaping, NAT, and routing for my network. now i need to make it into a samba gateway / translation service to prove to my friend that he shouldn't waste $150 on windows home server
01:36 <@preaction_> + whatever he needs to get hardware that'll run the thing
01:37 < perlDreamer> How about just getting a Dlink DNS-323?
01:37 < perlDreamer> NAS appliance that runs linux, and allows RAID
01:37 < perlDreamer> SMB, ftp, SSH, http
01:37 < perlDreamer> low power
01:37 < perlDreamer> and it's a print server, too
01:38 < perlDreamer> http://www.dlink.com/products/?pid=509
01:38 < perlDreamer> Total cost, ~$400 for 0.5 Tb and RAID 0.
01:40 <@preaction_> what do they mean by "access over the internet"? i need the whole samba gateway thing because i have three comps with samba shares, and he's got at least that many too
01:40 <@preaction_> i expect they mean "nat port 139 to this thing"
01:40 <@preaction_> or FTP or whatevz
01:40 < perlDreamer> Yup.
01:40 <@preaction_> which would work, but would restrict smb access from internet to just that
01:41 <@preaction_> i expect i'll ask the ppl over at #samba if there's an easier solution than my cronjob that'll automount all available shares, but i also expect i'm on the right path
01:43 <@preaction_> jeebus, i just svn up and did you touch every file in webgui? ;)
01:43 < perlDreamer> :)
01:43 < perlDreamer> Merge soon!
01:44 < perlDreamer> It's mainly Help/*, i18n/English/* and a whole bunch of files for 'return undef'-isms
01:44 < perlDreamer> but there will be more coming
01:44 < perlDreamer> I'd like to be test clean and -gentle clean by Xmas
01:45 < perlDreamer> but I need server access for the tests
01:45 < perlDreamer> since they run clean here and at home
01:46 <@preaction_> that'd be JT's domain, i for one don't trust you. you've been shady and slipshod since you started this racket. you're brash and headstrong. i'm sick of this "Demolition Man" shenanigans!
01:46 <@preaction_> Be well
01:46 < perlDreamer> Hey, who are you calling shady?
01:47 <@preaction_> the _ means "awesome", not "incognito"
01:47  * perlDreamer starts to get the feeling he's missing a movie quote
01:49 <@preaction_> and i can't fix this: it's necessary for the operation of the feeds form. i mean, it can be fixed, and i think it's just a matter of using List::Util uniq after the map (for some reason there kept being duplicate feed IDs
01:49 <@preaction_> Demolition Man quote was the last one "I'm sick of..." and "be well"
01:50 <@preaction_> Demolition Man quotes seem to be the norm around the office for some reason
01:50 <@preaction_> or maybe it's just one quote that they all keep saying
01:51 < perlDreamer> It just needs to be uniq'ed in a non $_ altering way
01:51 <@preaction_> ohhh
01:52 < metanil> i'm now compiling WRE
01:52 < perlDreamer> PBP 114
01:52 < perlDreamer> "Never modify $_ in a list function"
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01:54 < perlDreamer> btw, uniq is in List::MoreUtils
01:57 <@preaction_> committed
01:57 < perlDreamer> you rock
01:58 < perlDreamer> Your contributions to WebGUI enrich the whole community.
01:58 <@preaction_> people keep saying that and i keep looking at how much more i could be doing
01:59 < perlDreamer> You write core code, answer forum postings, help people on IRC
01:59 <@preaction_> dirtyPair, for example, wanted an auction software. i've got one planned out for WebGUI, after i merge in my Gallery branch i'm going to make my own WebGUI_doug branch so I can develop experimental stuff and merge with core when it's ready
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01:59 <@preaction_> i think i talked before about API versioning
02:00 <@preaction_> so we can repair the Auth API
02:03 < perlDreamer> I don't remember the talk about API versioning
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02:03 < perlDreamer> link?
02:04 <@preaction_> it was here last i knew
02:04 <@preaction_> i don't even remember, maybe it was just in my head
02:05 <@preaction_> or maybe it was something to do with the Paginator and marking an "apiv2" to get the template variables to no longer have the period chars in them
02:06 < metanil> (whole bunch of ERRORS coming..)
02:07 <@preaction_> pastebin
02:07 <@preaction_> not here
02:07 <@preaction_> pastebin
02:07 < metanil> WRE ERROR: lftp-3.5.10 make did not complete successfully
02:07 <@preaction_> http://webgui.pastebin.com
02:08 < perlDreamer> preaction_: you know where the WebGUI IRC logs are?
02:08 < perlDreamer> on mentalhouse.net
02:08 < perlDreamer> I'll look there.
02:08 < perlDreamer> Do you remember the month?
02:08 <@preaction_> not especially, but it doesn't matter really
02:08 <@preaction_> nope
02:08 <@preaction_> again, it's probably all in my head
02:08 < perlDreamer> k
02:09 < metanil> pastebin?
02:09 < metanil> help-> pastebin
02:09 < metanil> :D
02:09 <@preaction_> the idea being: The class has an $API_VERSION class-scoped lexical and the superclass uses it to determine what arguments are being passed to its methods
02:09 <@preaction_> that way two different APIs can be supported by the same superclass
02:09 < metanil> how can i use pastebin?
02:10 <@preaction_> read the /topic
02:10 <@preaction_> and when you do, paste your entire build.sh output to the pastebin, then give us the link
02:11 < metanil> (damn!)
02:11 < metanil> i should have looked at that
02:11 -!- preaction_ changed the topic of #webgui to: [ WebGUI 7.4.16-stable | WRE 0.8.1 ] Before you ask, check the wiki: http://wiki.webgui.org | Pastebin: http://webgui.pastebin.com/ | WebGUI Community Contests, Win Money/Fame/Prizes: http://webgui.org/wcc
02:12 < metanil> hello
02:13 < metanil> http://webgui.pastebin.com/d4bbf4577
02:14 <@preaction_> looks like libreadline isn't going to compile on your system
02:15 < metanil> oh!
02:15 < metanil> is it the package within the WRE?
02:16 <@preaction_> wrebuild/source/lftp-3.5.10/readline-4.3 <- that
02:20 < metanil> hmm.. 
02:21 < metanil> see at line 207
02:22 <@preaction_> that's ./configure, if configure encounted a fatal bug it would've stopped
02:22 < metanil> so its ok to not having LIBGNUTLS
02:22 <@preaction_> right
02:23 <@preaction_> the fatal stuff start at line 845
02:25 < metanil> i guess i have readline on my system already.. 
02:26 < metanil> libreadline5 
02:26 <@preaction_> you do, but the WRE compiles another for itself (rather, lftp compiles one for itself)
02:26 < metanil> but its 4.3
02:26 < metanil> why can't it use the system's one?
02:26 <@preaction_> it can't be sure the system has one
02:27 <@preaction_> but we can try to munge it for your system, to get it to compile
02:28 <@preaction_> in the wrebuild/source/lftp-3.5.10 there should be an INSTALL file, does it say anything about Ubuntu Dapper?
02:28 <@apeiron> hmmm
02:29 <@apeiron>    * ncurses or termcap development is required. If you get undefined
02:29 <@apeiron> references to tputs or tgetent, install ncurses-devel package.
02:29 <@preaction_> sounds like something that should be in the WRE
02:29 < metanil> lets see
02:29 <@apeiron> ehh
02:29 < metanil> ncurses-devel?
02:29 < perlDreamer> yup
02:30 <@preaction_> metanil, apt-get install ncurses-dev (or if that fails, apt-cache search ncurses dev)
02:30 < metanil> sure sure man.. thanks. 
02:30 < metanil> (i'm getting excited)
02:30 < metanil> no no no no no
02:30 < perlDreamer> If you think this is fun, you should come to the next WebGUI User's Conference
02:31 <@preaction_> lib32ncurses5-dev <- probable package name
02:31 < metanil> i guess.. i build successfully this time ..
02:31 < metanil> :D
02:31 < metanil> but i can' t say.. right.. its still compiling.. 
02:31 < metanil> but i bet .. it did pass that line.. without any errors.. 
02:31 < metanil> (yeah!!!)
02:32 < metanil> its now building libtool-1.5.22
02:32 < metanil> now expat-2.0.0
02:32 <@apeiron> re termcap / ncurses in the WRE: I'm reminded of the termcap vs. terminfo situation. Does any 'modern' software actually require / prefer terminfo?
02:33 < metanil> going for libxml now.
02:33 <@preaction_> couldn't tell you: the magic of systems programming / compiling / libraries and dependancies are all beyond me atm
02:34 <@apeiron> heh.
02:34 <@preaction_> brute force method of "google and experiment" is about all i can do
02:34 <@apeiron> Learn C.
02:34 <@apeiron> It'll help.
02:34 <@preaction_> it's on my list, after python
02:34 < perlDreamer> You mean there's more than "google and experiment"?
02:34 <@apeiron> (or learn C by making stuff build, like I did)
02:35 <@apeiron> preaction_,  http://xkcd.com/353/ # :(
02:35 <@apeiron> preaction_, Read the title="" part.
02:36 <@preaction_> omg he's leaving Perl?
02:36 <@apeiron> If we are to take the strip at face value and assume the POV of the strip is the xkcd author.
02:36 <@preaction_> i want to learn python just so i can figure out why the Perl v. Python debate exists
02:37 <@apeiron> IMO, it's largely an issue of preferences and taste.
02:37 <@preaction_> that and I hear it's easier to interlace Python with C libraries (XS is nice, but it's kinda ugly)
02:37 <@preaction_> i think the perl and python communities are fundamentally different, with different goals
02:38 <@apeiron> Aside from being a bit outdated with regard to the tests that h2xs generates these days, perlxstut is pretty solid.
02:39 < perlDreamer> OO in python is dirt simple
02:39 <@preaction_> Strawberry Perl is another thing, too little too late
02:39 < perlDreamer> And it prevents people from writing "ugly code"
02:40 <@preaction_> eh, that's the main thing i hate about python, the whitespace-as-syntax
02:40 < perlDreamer> yeah
02:40 < perlDreamer> welcome back to FORTRAN
02:40 <@apeiron> 'back to' heh
02:40 < perlDreamer> Y'all never learned FORTRAN?
02:41 <@apeiron> er, they didn't teach that in school, I'm afraid.
02:41 <@preaction_> nope, i was the only one in my school who wanted "Advanced Programming", so they didn't let me
02:41 < perlDreamer> Listen here, sonny, you need to pick better schools ;)
02:41 <@preaction_> no college to speak of outside of C++ (crap) and Java (worse crap)
02:41 < perlDreamer> In my days, we used bark for computing, and we LIKED IT.
02:42 <@apeiron> I went to a parochial school largely because the public schools are so bad that the state's been involved.
02:42 <@apeiron> So, not much in terms of modern technology.
02:42 < perlDreamer> We punched holes in the bark with awls, and if you happened to put one through your hand, you just bled and kept on punching
02:42 <@apeiron> awls? D'you mean awk?
02:43 < perlDreamer> Kind of, only more pointy
02:44 < perlDreamer> well, us old folk need our rest
02:44 < perlDreamer> Catch y'all later
02:44 <@preaction_> cya
02:44 <@apeiron> See ya tomorrow, good sir.
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03:53 < metanil> oh no..  its still compiling. 
03:54 <@preaction_> that's a good thing
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06:05 < metanil> ==> Auto-install the 1 optional module(s) from CPAN? [n]
06:15 <@preaction_> up to you, i'd go with "no" for now
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07:48 < CIA-44> WebGUI: graham * r5096 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.4.16 release
08:02 -!- Radix-wrk changed the topic of #webgui to: [ WebGUI 7.4.17-stable | WRE 0.8.1 ] Before you ask, check the wiki: http://wiki.webgui.org | Pastebin: http://webgui.pastebin.com/ | WebGUI Community Contests, Win Money/Fame/Prizes: http://webgui.org/wcc
08:03 < CIA-44> WebGUI: jt * r5097 /releases/WebGUI_7.4.17-stable: Release 7.4.17-stable
08:03 < CIA-44> WebGUI: graham * r5098 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (5 files in 5 dirs): preparing for 7.4.18 dev
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08:21 < metanil> bravo "Building Complete And Successful"
08:21 <@preaction_> yay!
08:27 < metanil> i am creating package.. 
08:27 < metanil> where should i submit it?
08:28 < metanil> in sourforge?
08:28 <@preaction_> hang on, finding out
08:32 <@preaction_> upload to ftp://upload.sf.net/incoming, name it something like wre-0.8.1-ubuntu-6.06-i386.tar.gz (or whatever your processor is)
08:33 <@preaction_> then post on http://www.webgui.org/webgui/dev/discuss
08:33 <@preaction_> might want to add the note about making sure ncurses-dev is installed
08:34 <@preaction_> (to the post you make on the dev forum, i mean)
08:34 <+Radix-wrk> Cool.. I like flickr's new editing capabilities
08:34 <+Radix-wrk> can rotate/crop/resize/alter exposure/colours, sharpen, red-eye, plus heaps of custom effects.. like vignette, soft focus, sepia, b&w, etc.. all in the browser
08:34 <@preaction_> that is awesome
08:35 <@preaction_> might need to RFE that for the Photo asset when the Gallery is done ;)
08:36 < metanil> i didn't install ncurses-dev (i guess)
08:37 <@preaction_> you didn't? i thought that's what you did and it started working
08:37 < metanil> however i install libreadline5-deev
08:37 < metanil> dev
08:38 <@preaction_> ahh, then mention that
08:39 < metanil> after i install that.. i runs fine..
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08:57 < metanil> preaction_ did you got the package at that ftp
08:58 < metanil> i cannot see any files that i just sent. 
09:01 <@preaction_> i don't have access to the sf.net project
09:03 < metanil> oops.. 
09:03 <@preaction_> might want to post on the dev forum and ask them how to do it
09:14 <@preaction_> is someone with the latest webgui around for me to test something?
09:15 <@preaction_> i need someone to try to create a File asset by going into the Asset Manager and clicking at the bottom-most File or Image link (do not do a File Pile)
09:15 <+Radix-wrk> demo?
09:15 <@preaction_> does it work?
09:15 <@preaction_> oh... duh
09:15 <+Radix-wrk> hehe
09:15 < dapperedodo> You don't see the files you upload yourself, just be confident it is uploaded.
09:16 < dapperedodo> (in sf that is)
09:23 < metanil> o o .. thanks dapperdodo
09:23 < dapperedodo> I had the same problem, you can try to upload it again and it will say that the file already exists, and you cannot overwrite it.
09:25 < metanil> yaa.. it throws error..
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14:34 < BartJol> does anyone know how to set a translation as default language pack
14:35 < BartJol> ?
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14:35 < BartJol> dapperedodo do you know how to set a translation as default?
14:36 < dapperedodo> Default for the new user is in the userProfiling, change the default value of the language
14:36 < dapperedodo> Default for the visitor is set in the profile of the user 'visitor'
14:37 < BartJol> makes sense
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15:11 < wgGuest30> what timezone is plainblack based in?
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15:24 < ckotil> im guessing EST
15:25 < ckotil> they are based out of  madison, wisonsin
15:25 < t3flond0n> ok thanks
15:25 < ckotil> could be CST.
15:25 < ckotil> not sure what goes on that far north ;)
15:25 < t3flond0n> I was actually looking to buy some of their books on line
15:25 < t3flond0n> lol same here
15:25 < t3flond0n> GA here... and yourself?
15:26 < ckotil> Indian
15:26 < ckotil> a
15:26 < t3flond0n> you fairly familiar with webgui?
15:26 < ckotil> yes. i've been using it for a little over 1 year now
15:27 < t3flond0n> what should I be using tagwise to display images etc.
15:27 < t3flond0n> my background images are in the css
15:27 < t3flond0n> but i cant get ANY images to display
15:28 < ckotil> html tag? <img>
15:28 < t3flond0n> so it shouldnt be any different than standard html right?
15:29 < ckotil> the end result will be exactly the same
15:29 < ckotil> to do it the webgui way, you will want to upload your image via  'file pile'
15:29 < ckotil> then when you go to edit an article or page layout asset you can use the WYSIWYG editor to insert that image.
15:30 < t3flond0n> does filepile go into the folder your in - in admin mode or is there a default?
15:32 < t3flond0n> I ask because when I do filepile none of the images are uploaded
15:35 < ckotil> they will go into your current location. you can use the admin console to navigate through your site 
15:35 < ckotil> take a look at your webgui.log file
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15:40 < t3flond0n> ok said the directory did not exist and it couldnt create it
15:40 < t3flond0n> so I think I may have a permissions issue on that box
15:40 < ckotil> yup , sounds like thats the issue
15:41 < t3flond0n> but why would it let me upload individual files and not batch upload?
15:42 < ckotil> the individual files could have been saved to a directory with the proper permissions. and the batch upload files did not
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15:44 < t3flond0n> can I link a bit of CSS and you tell me if I have the img source set right
15:45 < BartJol> you can also use an assetprocy
15:45 < BartJol> proxy
15:45 < BartJol> that's a macro
15:47 < t3flond0n> how would I do that
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15:48 < t3flond0n> body{background: #555 url(^FileUrl(style/pattern.png);); repeat;}
15:49 < ckotil> so ^FileUrl( is a macro
15:49 < ckotil> and its wierd.
15:49 < t3flond0n> should I have that on there?
15:49 < ckotil> it shoudl work. but just for fun. try using ^AssetProxy( instead
15:50 < t3flond0n> so ^AssetProxy(style/pattern.png););
15:50 < ckotil> yup
15:51 < ckotil> then when the page loads. check the source to make sure the location is correct. i.e. try to access it in your browser
15:52 < t3flond0n> should the url still be infront of all that?
15:52 < t3flond0n> or just ^Assetproxy(style/pattern.png);
15:53 < ckotil> url is part of the css
15:53 < ckotil> so that has to be there
15:55 < t3flond0n> ok...  now... if I go to click on more and view on the image I get The requested URL /uploads/Dj/kp/Djkp4Wd7X1iOCyt69FBH7Q/ was not found on this server.
15:55 < t3flond0n> so I think its not loading the image because its not uploaded correctly
15:55 < ckotil> probably
15:56 < t3flond0n> once again it seems my problem boils down to permission issue .....
15:56 < t3flond0n> any idea what permissions I need to check first?
15:57 < ckotil> i always issue a 'chown apache -R /gnoc/globalnoc/htdocs/WebGUI/www/public/uploads/
15:57 < ckotil> '
15:57 < ckotil> after any upgrade.
15:57 < ckotil> bc permissions seem to change.
15:58 < ckotil> or i guess i normally dont have to do it after an upgrade. but certainly after an install or bringing up a backup
16:00 < t3flond0n> brb gonna go run that
16:04 < t3flond0n> ok now 
16:04 < t3flond0n> before i run this
16:04 < t3flond0n> I know that should be different on the gnoc/globalnoc
16:05 < t3flond0n> should that be in your wre file? under prereqs
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16:07 < ckotil> heh
16:07 < ckotil> /gnoc/globalnoc/htdocs/ is specific to my setup.
16:07 < ckotil> i would cd to your WebGUI dir.
16:07 < ckotil> then issue chmod apache -R  www/public/
16:08 < ckotil> this is assuming apache is the apache user, and all the file permissions are set to allow the owner to read and write.
16:09 < t3flond0n> well everything was default
16:10 < t3flond0n> so could i just do chmode -R www/public/
16:10 < ckotil> if thats what needs to be done.
16:10 < ckotil> the wre should just work 'out of the box'
16:18 < t3flond0n> is that supposed to be the document root?
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16:26 < ckotil> no document root is /data/WebGUI/ unless you installed it elsewhere
16:29 < ckotil> hrmm i guess www/ is the document root
16:30 < t3flond0n> ok...
16:31 < t3flond0n> I know the command I need to use is chown -R :group file
16:31 < t3flond0n> the only issue I need to find out is what owner or group I need to do this for
16:32 < ckotil> take a look at which user is running the httpd process
16:32 < t3flond0n> whats the command for that
16:32 < ckotil> ps aux | grep httpd
16:33 < t3flond0n> that would be root I think
16:33 < t3flond0n> <-- running it off a Mac OSX
16:33 < ckotil> ah.
16:34 < ckotil> im running 10.5.1 and
16:34 < t3flond0n> so then it would be chown -R
16:34 < ckotil> _www is the user running httpd
16:34 < t3flond0n> where does the root name go ... 
16:34 < t3flond0n> still new to linux/unix systems
16:34 < t3flond0n> but getting there 
16:34 < t3flond0n> considering I have only been doing them about a week
16:35 < ckotil> there is a single process of httpd owned by root. but the rest are _www. if your certain its root.. chown root:root -R www/public/
16:35 < ckotil> heh. yikes, thats a lot to absorb in a week.
16:35 < t3flond0n> well when I ran the ps aux - root was on one line - and there was nothing else
16:35 < t3flond0n> its ok - abuse makes you learn fast
16:35 < t3flond0n> ;)
16:36 < t3flond0n> it said chown: root: Invalid Argument
16:39 < t3flond0n> says usage:    chown [-fhv] [-R [-H | -L | -P]] owner[:group] file
16:39 < t3flond0n> says usage:    chown [-fhv] [-R [-H | -L | -P]] :group file
16:40 < ckotil> the -R comes before root:root
16:40 < ckotil> sorry
16:40 < t3flond0n> np
16:40 < t3flond0n> chown -R root:root www/public/     invalid argument again
16:42 < ckotil> type pwd
16:42 < ckotil> to make sure you are in the webgui dir
16:42 < t3flond0n> ok... got it to chown: /data/WebGUI/www/public/ but then says no such file or directory
16:42 < t3flond0n> yep 
16:42 < t3flond0n> pwd says data/WebGUI
16:43 < ckotil> something isnt right with the syntax of that command is all.
16:45 < t3flond0n> chown -R root www/public/  
16:45 < t3flond0n> everything look right here?
16:46 < ckotil> looks good to me
16:46 < ckotil> you might need to 'su' or 'su root' first.
16:46 < ckotil> which will make you the root user.
16:48 < t3flond0n> ok finally
16:48 < t3flond0n> there wasnt a public - went through the directory to check 
16:48 < t3flond0n> got it though
16:48 < t3flond0n> now let me upload again
16:52 < t3flond0n> wtheck
16:52 < t3flond0n> now its saying couldnt create storage location /data/domains/test.name.org/public/uploads
16:53 < perlmonkey2> 7.4.17 is out, but the svn upgrade.pl said my DB is up to date at 7.4.14?
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17:03 < t3flond0n> 2007/12/06 09:58:25 - ERROR - test.ucschools.org.conf - main::[[undef]] -
17:03 < t3flond0n> anyone got any suggestions where to start with this?
17:05 < ckotil> thats your webgui.conf file
17:06 < ckotil> dunno what else to make of that error.
17:06 < ckotil> any have the html+css to create near transparent but colorful backdrops for div's w/ rounded edges?
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17:23 < perlmonkey2> has something changed with new WebGUI installs and the default template has changed?
17:25 < perlmonkey2> never mind, a permissions issue.
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17:31 < t3flond0n> anyone got any suggestions for good reading material that will help me with both webgui and CSS - or atleast webgui
17:32 < ckotil> scour the webgui wiki
17:32 < perlmonkey2> t3flond0n: Yes, the wiki has tons of great info.  Even a good CSS tut.
17:32 < t3flond0n> I havent quite gotten enough detail out of that... considering purchasing the webgui books
17:32 < t3flond0n> atleast a couple of them
17:32 < perlmonkey2> t3flond0n: Either that or WebGUI support, which is great.
17:33 < t3flond0n> mayb my problem is im trying to learn both linux/unix and webgui at the same time 
17:33 < perlmonkey2> t3flond0n: I've looked over the books and they seem well written and pertinent.
17:33 < perlmonkey2> t3flond0n: yes, that would like trying to learn calc and diffy Q at the same time.
17:34 < ckotil> webgui support IS great.
17:35 < t3flond0n> worth paying for?
17:35 < ckotil> definately.
17:35 < t3flond0n> or would you recommend learning from books?
17:35 < ckotil> almost required if you're going to use webgui in a production environment
17:35 < t3flond0n> I work at a school system
17:35 < t3flond0n> they want to try it out
17:35 < ckotil> both. what are you going to use webgui for?
17:35 < ckotil> ah, cool.
17:35 < ckotil> lots of schools use webgui.
17:36 < t3flond0n> from what I have seen there are some nice sites.
17:36 < ckotil> yeah, you can do anything with this CMS.
17:37 < perlmonkey2> t3flond0n: WebGUI uses the Pelr HTML::Template which allows WebGUI to work in almost any design you can dream up.  Plus it is fast and easy to customize.  Not that most people need to customize as it seems to come with every feature thinkable.
17:37 < t3flond0n> well I had a site i found 
17:37 < t3flond0n> open source
17:37 < t3flond0n> that i was trying to implement
17:38 < ckotil> html::template::expr allows for even more customization, and the templatetoolkit is supposed to allow for even more! tho i havent used the template toolkit yet
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17:38 < perlmonkey2> ckotil: WebGUI now supports TT?
17:38 < perlmonkey2> WOOOOOT!
17:38 < ckotil> pretty sure.
17:38 < perlmonkey2> No offense against HT, but I way prefer TT.
17:39 < ckotil> id have to rewrite all my templates ;)
17:39 < perlmonkey2> although I'll have to look at HT::expr
17:39 < wgGuest78> http://www.opendesigns.org/preview/?template=947
17:39 < wgGuest78> how hard do you think it would be to get this into the WebGui system
17:39 < perlmonkey2> Not too hard
17:39 < perlmonkey2> the nav bar is always the sticky part.
17:40 < perlmonkey2> looks pretty easy to move
17:40 < wgGuest78> you mean at the top or on the left?
17:40 < perlmonkey2> the top nav bar....just a matter of CSS, but then I hate doing the CSS work.
17:40 < wgGuest78> if I knew more about CSS it wouldnt be so bad
17:40 < ckotil> the nav on the left would be pretty easy. the top nav would require a little more effort
17:41 < perlmonkey2> what nav bar on the left?  addition links?
17:41 < wgGuest78> but when I originally learned web design I was tought layouts and such using tables    *shakes head*
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17:41 < teflond0n> yea
17:41 < teflond0n> thats what I was worried about
17:41 < ckotil> perlmonkey2 : eh i guess you woudlnt need a nav asset for the left side
17:41 < teflond0n> the top one wouldnt need to move I dont think
17:41 < perlmonkey2> if you know *any* css you can do that top nav bar to *some* similiarity without hardly any effort.
17:41 < perlmonkey2> to get it exactly the same will require tinkering.
17:42 < teflond0n> well i have 2 css books on the way - ordered them from amazon yesterday
17:42 < ckotil> Im more of a google learner myself. we have books in the office for about any subject tho for me to fallback on.
17:43 < teflond0n> well i get tired of being on the pc all the time - at home at work and everywhere in between
17:43 < perlmonkey2> WebGUI's tut would (and probably their books) would get you a long ways to being able to do this.  It isn't really that hard if you know what you're doing (and I try to dislearn CSS right after I finish any CSS).
17:43 < perlmonkey2> I vote for dead trees too
17:44 < teflond0n> is any WebGUI employees around?
17:44 < teflond0n> er plainblack
17:46 < teflond0n> bb in a few
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18:40 < teflond0n> preaction - you work for plainblack/webgui?
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19:19 < teflond0n> does anyone know how to do the macro for both username and password login box
19:25 < perlmonkey2> teflond0n: You want to alter the macro?
19:26 < teflond0n> no - in my site layout whenever i try and put in a login and password box it throws off the layout-
19:27 < perlmonkey2> teflond0n: By looking at the 3rd template, this looks like what you want: <div id="login">
19:27 < perlmonkey2> 					^L("","","PBtmpl0000000000000092"); &middot; ^AdminToggle;
19:27 < perlmonkey2> 				</div>
19:27 < teflond0n> i was wondering if it was because i was doing something wrong with the code...
19:27 < teflond0n> thx
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19:33 < perlmonkey2> teflond0n: Were you wanting to directly edit the macro for something?
19:43 < teflond0n> no
19:43 < teflond0n> I was actually just trying to make sure that stayed in a presigned portion of my page....   its not working out so hot
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20:05 < perlmonkey2> teflond0n: I'm sure that macro uses a template
20:14 < perlmonkey2> teflond0n: look at Root > Import Node > Macro/L_loginBox
20:14 < perlmonkey2> not sure which one is being used.
20:15 < perlmonkey2> looks lke the horizontal box is the default for style 3
20:16 < perlmonkey2> I'd copy the horizontal template, point your style 3 (or copy style 3) at it and be done :)
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21:06 < perlDreamer> Perl::Critic appears to be even slower than the original i18n.t
21:06 < perlDreamer> I didn't think that was possible.
21:07 <@rizen> hehe
21:07 < perlDreamer> My policy also seems to have a few bugs, but those can be worked out
21:08 <@rizen> you wrote a custom policy
21:08 <@rizen> ?
21:08 < perlDreamer> Yeah
21:08 < perlDreamer> Had to for the I18n check
21:08 <@rizen> chris dolan will be so happy with you
21:09 <@rizen> have you guys been chatting it up?
21:09 < perlDreamer> I haven't really needed any support yet.
21:09 < perlDreamer> It was surprisingly easy
21:09 < perlDreamer> see /data/WebGUI/t/lib/Perl......
21:11 < perlDreamer>  ah, and there's the bug
21:11 < perlDreamer> It doesn't handle the default namespace for WebGUI
21:12 < perlDreamer> I'll fix that after I come back from the gym
21:12 < perlDreamer> bbl
21:16 < metanil> " Do you want to configure this WRE as a development only environment?"
21:16 < metanil> whats the different between choosing YES and No
21:42 < metanil> how can i migrate from WebGUI 7.4.11 to 7.4.17??
21:42 < metanil> its in different machine
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21:55 < teflond0n> hey perlmonkey2 - I didnt get a chance to thank you earlier - but you helped me get the admin login box fixed
21:56 < perlmonkey2> teflond0n: Well I am happy I could help.
21:57 < perlmonkey2> teflond0n: Did you just alter the existing style or create a new one?
21:57 < teflond0n> copyed the info you posted and had to modify some <div tags on my site
22:01 < perlmonkey2> Am I seeing this right?  38 MySQL queries to log in and 33 queries to log out?
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22:14 < teflond0n> ^L("","","PBtmpl0000000000000044")   can anyone tell me what the numbers at the end of this string represent?
22:19 < perlmonkey2> teflond0n: j/s
22:19 < perlmonkey2> I believe they refer to this http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/lineage
22:20 <@rizen> the numbers there are just part of the template id
22:20 < ckotil> its the assetID
22:20 <@rizen> yes
22:20 < ckotil> templateID rather
22:20 <@rizen> templateId = assetId
22:20 <@rizen> same thing
22:20 <@rizen> all asset id's are 22 characters long
22:20 <@rizen> that's why it's so big
22:24 < perlmonkey2> Could someone commit the latest database update sql to subversion?
22:26 < perlmonkey2> Doh, nevermind....of course it was something I was doing.
22:31 < teflond0n> i c
22:35 < teflond0n> whats &middot;
22:37 < ckotil> looks like an html code for a . 
22:37 < ckotil> but it will be a little higher up in the line height
22:37 < teflond0n> thx
22:41 < teflond0n> whats the easiest way to modify a horizontal login user/pw box to be vertical
22:41 < ckotil> i believe there is a vertical login template already thre for you
22:42 < ckotil> try /default_login_box2
22:43 < ckotil> or just /default_login_box
22:58 < perlmonkey2> teflond0n: Take some time to explore the asset manager.  It is a very handy way to explore WebGUI.
23:07 < perlDreamer> ugh, make that two bugs
23:07 < perlDreamer> The policy was trying to resolve calls to any objects ->get method
23:07 < perlDreamer> no wonder it was so slow!
23:13 < perlDreamer> It takes 4.5 minutes to check one file
23:13 < perlDreamer> There are 533 files in the wG lib dir
23:14 < perlDreamer> hmmmm
23:20 < BartJol> well thta's only around 40 hours...
23:20 < perlDreamer> Not too bad? :(
23:26 < BartJol> sound as much fun as translating webgui
23:28 < perlDreamer> well, it guarantees that there are no broken labels in the source code.  It's a good test to have.
23:28 < perlDreamer> It's just slow
23:36 < BartJol> does it have to be repeated in new version? or can you label "good code"
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23:55 < perlDreamer> It should be run on each version, so that you know you're releasing good code.
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00:02 < BartJol> pweeew, well but a good cause may take some time
00:02 < perlDreamer> yes, kind of like mixing pannenkoeken batter
00:03 < perlDreamer> or pumpkin soup
00:09 < BartJol> :)
00:09 < BartJol> indeed
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00:47 < BartJol> bye
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00:48 < perlDreamer> good night, Bart
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01:36 <@preaction_> i officially hate the current File asset... 12 hours later I finally got my refactoring to work
01:36 < perlDreamer> Noted.
01:36 < perlDreamer> Be well
01:37 <@preaction_> it's cleaner, but it creates two storage locations again
01:37 <@preaction_> it deletes one of them, but still...
01:37 < perlDreamer> I've been testing my Perl::Critic policy
01:38 < perlDreamer> It takes 4.5 minutes to test Asset.pm
01:38 <@preaction_> ooooh
01:38 <@preaction_> jeebus
01:38 < perlDreamer> On a 500 MHz PIII
01:38 <@preaction_> oh, but still
01:38 < perlDreamer> Yeah, I think PPI must be slow
01:39 <@preaction_> wouldn't doubt it, it's trying to parse Perl ;)
01:39 < perlDreamer> Do you have time to test it on a Mac?
01:40 <@preaction_> sure
01:40 < perlDreamer> svn up from head
01:40 < perlDreamer> perldoc /data/WebGUI/t/lib/Perl/Critic/Policy/WebGUI/NoIllegalI18NLabels.pm
01:40 < perlDreamer> that will give you instructions.
01:41 < perlDreamer> you'll also need PPI and Perl::Critic installed
01:45 <@preaction_> is it just cpan PPI or cpan Bundle-PPI?
01:46 < perlDreamer> I did a cpan install Perl::Critic and it worked
01:46 < perlDreamer> but it takes a while
01:46 <@preaction_> ah, k
01:46 <@preaction_> yeah
01:46 < perlDreamer> lots and lots of modules
01:47 < perlDreamer> the good news is that the new policy is equivalent in functionality to the old label.t
01:47 < perlDreamer> the bad news, of course, is that it's very slow compared to label.t
01:48 < perlDreamer> and PPI may not be able to handle the scoping that we need to fix the failing test in the first place.
01:48 < perlDreamer> I need a way to detect the beginning and end of a block, and PPI doesn't work that way.
01:48 < perlDreamer> It only does tokens, not events
01:48 < perlDreamer> well, Perl::Critic does anyway
01:49 <@preaction_> couldn't the policy keep track of the scope itself? i mean, it'd probably be a lot slower
01:49 < perlDreamer> It would need to duplicate P::C's token iterator
01:49 < perlDreamer> I wonder if it can be made to re-enter it...
01:53 <@preaction_> would the RFE list be a good place for programming tasks / bounties? like for example I think that the Captcha generation should be factored out of WebGUI::Storage::Image, and WebGUI::Image should be the only module that uses Image::Magick, Graphics::Magick, or GD
01:54 < perlDreamer> Tasks, yes.
01:54 < perlDreamer> Bounties, no
01:54 < perlDreamer> How would you implement a bounty?
01:54 <@preaction_> true, they'd have to be manually applied (karma, of course)
01:55 < perlDreamer> yeah, before the bounty system works, we need the user karma transfer RFE to be written
01:56 < perlDreamer> um, submitted, approved and implemented
01:57 < perlDreamer> btw, this is just my opinion, but I think we should subclass Image:::Magick, instead of wrapping it
01:57 < perlDreamer> kind of like the DateTime vs the old DateTime
01:57 <@preaction_> well, the Wrapper handles IM, GM, and can handle other libs later
01:58 <@rizen> but it won't
01:58 <@preaction_> it would probably be better to have the Wrapper WebGUI::Image call drivers like WebGUI::Image::ImageMagick which could be a subclass of ImageMagick
01:58 <@rizen> we're getting rid of gm
01:58 <@rizen> not saying drivers would be a bad idea
01:58 <@rizen> but the support of GM as it stands won't be there in 7.5
02:00 <@preaction_> should I leave in all the errorHandler->info statements I've been using to debug things?
02:00 <@preaction_> i mean, the useful ones
02:01 <@preaction_> like creating/deleting storage locations, uploading filenames
02:02 <@rizen> sure
02:02 <@rizen> that's what it's there fore
02:02 <@preaction_> just making sure, it's a new development (the only one i've seen is the one for realtime commits)
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02:07 <@rizen> preaction, when you get a page about dos
02:07 <@rizen> don't worry about it
02:07 <@rizen> we're upgrading
02:11 <@preaction_> k, good luck
02:11 <@preaction_> i'm still resolving deps for PerlCritic :p
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02:13 < wgGuest69> How do you set a synopsis in a CS template?
02:13 <@preaction_> the Metadata tab has the synopsis field
02:15 < wgGuest69> Do I put what I want the synopsis to be in the Summary?
02:15 <@preaction_> perlDreamer, i've got it installed, do i just: WEBGUI_CONFIG=/data/WebGUI/etc/webgui.conf PERL5LIB=/data/WebGUI/t/lib perlcritic --single-policy NoIllegalI18NLabels
02:15 <@preaction_> wgGuest37, ah, yes, it's called summary
02:15 < perlDreamer> preaction_: Yes, your stealthiness
02:16 < perlDreamer> uiLevel >= 3 for the Summary field to show up
02:16 < perlDreamer> and 3 for the MetaData tab
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02:20 < wgGuest69> Should the synopsis line in the cs template be in the tmpl loop?
02:23 <@preaction_> which tmpl loop?
02:23 <@preaction_> the one for threads?
02:25 < wgGuest69> The one that begins the thread; the cs template
02:26 <@preaction_> i don't understand, do you have an example you can paste to the pastebin in the topic?
02:26 < wgGuest69> I want to implement a read more in a news cs
02:27 <@preaction_> CS contain Threads, Threads contain Posts. The CS template displays threads
02:27 <@preaction_> i thought the existing News / Blog template had a read more link?
02:28 < wgGuest69> It doesn't give a synopsis of the post
02:30 < wgGuest69> How & where do I paste the cs template I created?
02:30 <@preaction_> read the /topic
02:31 < perlDreamer> go to webgui.pastebin.com
02:34 <@preaction_> how long is this NoIllegalI18N test supposed to take?
02:34 < wgGuest69> I did already
02:34 < perlDreamer> 4.5 minutes on just Asset.pm on my dev box
02:35 <@preaction_> it's taken longer than that, i don't think it's doing anything at all
02:35 < perlDreamer> wgGuest69, what's the url for your paste?
02:36 < wgGuest69> http://webgui.pastebin.com/m65e2986f
02:36 < perlDreamer> preaction_: did you give it EXACTLY that command that you pasted above?
02:36 < perlDreamer> If so, it's scanning EVERY module
02:37 < perlDreamer> stop it, and append Asset.pm to the end to just do that noe
02:37 <@preaction_> oh jeebus
02:37 <@preaction_> k, started now
02:37 < perlDreamer> Bart and I did a quick estimate, takes about 40 hours to do them all
02:39 < perlDreamer> but that assumes all the files are the same size as Asset.pm
02:39 < perlDreamer> most aren't
02:39 <@preaction_> it only took like a minute
02:40 <@preaction_> and for some reason the Help seems to tell me that there's no "synopsis" variable in the post_loop for the Collaboration Post List template
02:40 <@preaction_> which is kinda weird.
02:41 < perlDreamer> the Collaboration Post Loop needs to inherit a subset of the Post variables
02:41 < perlDreamer> I haven't set that up yet
02:41 < perlDreamer> Feel free to if you wish
02:41 <@preaction_> can't atm, but i imagine it should use getTemplateVars()
02:42 < perlDreamer> I think it actually contains the variable, but the Help just doesn't show it, so probably some isa and segmentation work.
02:42 <@preaction_> ah
02:43 <@preaction_> actually, it doesn't look like it does: Collaboration->appendTemplateVarsPostLoop
02:43 <@preaction_> er... appendPostListTemplateVars
02:44 <@preaction_> but that can't be true either... i've seen it used... humph...
02:44 < perlDreamer> $post->get should bring it in
02:45 < perlDreamer> since it's an asset level property of the Post
02:45 <@preaction_> oh, dur, there it is
02:46 < perlDreamer> heading home.  Catch y'all later
02:46 <@preaction_> and the Weblog template for the Collaboration System does exactly what I said it does
02:46 <@preaction_> cya pd
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05:25 < perlmonkey2> Can someone point me to docs on how to use the Collab system and the photo gallery?  I've added them to my test instance, but they don't have any controls for doing anything except subscribing and searching.
05:25 <@rizen> you have to commit it first
05:25 <@rizen> then you can use it
05:25 < perlmonkey2> oh....  Thanks :)
05:26 < perlmonkey2> rizen: Did you ever reassign the survey system?  I have the rest of the month off and started working on it again today.
05:27 <@rizen> nope
05:27 <@rizen> nobody else was interested
05:27 <@rizen> it would be great if you could still do it
05:28 < perlmonkey2> Good....Cool.
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05:55 <+Radix-wrk> welcome back
05:57 <@preaction_> it is you who has come back!
06:16 <+Radix-wrk> not from where I'm standing ;)
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15:53 < SDuensin> FrIdAy!
16:03 < perlmonkey2> Hah, everyday is Friday for me, for the rest of the year!
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16:40 < wgGuest45> I've uploaded a cs template at http://webgui.pastebin.com/m65e2986f. Why is the content appearing twice?
16:40 < wgGuest45> Content in the post
16:44 < ckotil> fridays for the rest of the year start for me next friday
16:46 < ckotil> wgGuest45: not sure. i only see the tmpl_var content, once. 
16:46 < ckotil> post_loop must be the cause
16:47 < teflond0n> does anyone know why a png image saved with a transparent bg isnt having a transparent bg in IE
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17:55 < MrHairgreas1> khenn: do you know how I execute a real time workflow?
17:56 <@khenn> yes
17:56 <@khenn> what are you trying to do?
17:56 < MrHairgreas1> I'm deleting a user account
17:56 < MrHairgreas1> but before doing that
17:56 < MrHairgreas1> i need to run a WebGUI::User workflow for that account
17:57 <@khenn> ok
17:57 <@khenn> you need to create or edit the workflow you want to run
17:57 < MrHairgreas1> so I'll have to wait for deleting the account until the workflow has fisinshed
17:57 <@khenn> and there you choose Real Time workflow
17:57 < MrHairgreas1> did that
17:57 < MrHairgreas1> did that
17:57 <@khenn> then you make sure that one is set in the user settings to execute
17:57 <@khenn> and that should be it
17:58 < MrHairgreas1> no
17:58 < MrHairgreas1> I'm trying to trigger it fromcustom code
17:58 <@khenn> oh
17:58 < MrHairgreas1> i'm doing WebGUI::Workflow::Instance->create
18:00 < BartJol> >MrHair: Thirsty yet?
18:00 < MrHairgreas1> somewhat yes
18:01 <@khenn> yeah that is what you do
18:01 <@khenn> WebGUI::Workflow::Instance->create
18:01 <@khenn> look at WebGUI::Auth
18:01 <@khenn> line 275
18:01 < MrHairgreas1> but how do I wait for it to finish?
18:01 < MrHairgreas1> yeah
18:01 < MrHairgreas1> I found it there
18:01 <@khenn> it's realtime
18:01 <@khenn> so once it returns it's done
18:01 < MrHairgreas1> hmm
18:01 < MrHairgreas1> ok
18:01 <@khenn> ie, if it takes 10 minutes
18:01 <@khenn> your app is going to spin for a while
18:01 < MrHairgreas1> that not what I experienced
18:02 <@khenn> well
18:02 <@khenn> I haven't actually tried it
18:02 <@khenn> I'm going on what JT has told me
18:02 < MrHairgreas1> I'll investigate a bit further
18:02 < MrHairgreas1> thanks 
18:03 <@khenn> oh
18:03 <@khenn> it looks like you have to pass it in
18:03 <@khenn> mode=>"realtime"
18:03 < MrHairgreas1> oh really
18:03 < MrHairgreas1> damn
18:03 < MrHairgreas1> I must've read over that one
18:03 < MrHairgreas1> trying it now
18:03 <@khenn> look at the properties in WebGUI::Workflow
18:03 <@khenn> set
18:04 < MrHairgreas1> yeah i did that
18:04 < MrHairgreas1> or so i thought =)
18:04 <@khenn> there is a mode you pass into properties
18:04 < MrHairgreas1> yeah
18:05 < MrHairgreas1> i understand
18:05 < MrHairgreas1> i just didn't see it in the pod
18:05 < MrHairgreas1> but it's there
18:05 < MrHairgreas1> rioght at the bottom
18:06 < MrHairgreas1> hmm
18:06 < MrHairgreas1> stil no workie
18:06 < MrHairgreas1> i must be doing something stupid
18:07 < MrHairgreas1> i'll leave it for later this weekend
18:07 < MrHairgreas1> thanks again
18:07 < MrHairgreas1> gotta go now
18:07 < MrHairgreas1> later
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18:12 < teflond0n> is ^Navigation(tempname) the correct way to call a nav template?
18:12 < teflond0n> or navigation menu rather
18:13 < ckotil> ive always used ^AssetProxy
18:13 < ckotil> not sure what the Navigation Macro does
18:16 < MrHairgreas1> khenn: it works. The problem was me messing up
18:17 <@khenn> cool
18:19 < MrHairgreas1> there's a difference between unlink($configDirectory/$filename);
18:19 < MrHairgreas1> and
18:19 < MrHairgreas1> unlink("$configDirectory/$filename");
18:20 <@khenn> yeah
18:20 < MrHairgreas1> I couldn't understand those division by zero stuff in the logs =)
18:20 <@khenn> 1 is not a string
18:20 < MrHairgreas1> anyway
18:20 < MrHairgreas1> bart is complaining that I should go to the bar
18:20 < MrHairgreas1> so i guess i'm gonna do just that =)
18:21 < MrHairgreas1> later
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18:32 < ckotil> anyone know the tmpl_var to access user profiling settings?
18:32 <@khenn> there isn't one
18:32 <@khenn> there's a macro
18:33 < ckotil> ok
18:33 < ckotil> thanks
18:33 <@khenn> sure
18:34 < ckotil> ah, thats too easy ;)
18:36 < teflond0n> when linking to a menu and the url for the menu is  themes/clean/menu but the asset id is cleannav what should go in ^AssetProxy(???)
18:36 < ckotil> the url to the actual nav asset.
18:36 < teflond0n> ok
18:37 < teflond0n> should the url have the asset at the end of it?
18:37 < ckotil> click edit on the nav asset. then copy whatever is in the url field
18:38 < teflond0n> k
18:38 < teflond0n> thats what i thought... 
18:45 < ckotil> Ive got a template expression. It seems that the macro doesnt get processed before the template expresion. is that correct?
18:46 < ckotil> Do I need to have a scratch variable to hold the result of the macro before the expression?
18:52 < ckotil> ah the problem seems to be webgui doesnt know about my new user profile field(s) yet
19:01 < ckotil> i was using ' instead of " in the macro.
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19:13 < perlDreamer> ckotil: you can make life easier with the upgrades by setting group permissions, ala g+s
19:13 < perlDreamer> that way when you run the upgrade as root, the group permissions stay static and you don't
19:13 < perlDreamer> have to chown the directories again
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19:23 < ckotil> ah , thx for the tip pD
19:24 < ckotil> <tmpl_if expr="('^User("GRNOCdocView");' eq 'SD')">   that is giving me problems. any one know a solution?
19:24 < perlDreamer> template/macro order evaluation problem?
19:25 < ckotil> it could be. but i think the problem is due to the use of "
19:25 < perlDreamer> quotes should be optional for a single word argument
19:25 < ckotil> oh, awsome. ill try it
19:27 < ckotil> the template at least loaded this time without error. 
19:29 < ckotil> that did it.
19:29 < ckotil> thanks
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19:43 < perlDreamer> Okay, who wants to volunteer to run the failing test for me on PB's server, so that it can be fixed?
19:46 < perlDreamer>     				WEBGUI_CONFIG=/data/builds/nightly_2007-12-07/WebGUI/sbin/../etc/webguibuild.conf perl Storage/Image.t
19:47 < perlDreamer> then paste the output into pastebin
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19:56 < ckotil> heh
19:56 < ckotil> rizen's out
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20:21 < perlmonkey2> For the PB $20/month hosting, how much of the 500MB disk is left over for the user after install?
20:35 < perlmonkey2> I've thought about hosting and why don't more hosted use distributed file systems for their hosting?
20:36 < ckotil> how distributed are you talking?
20:36 < perlmonkey2> just on the LAN, but there are FOSS tools for just slapping more machines on your network and to your server it looks like the local file system got larger.
20:37 < ckotil> yup
20:37 < ckotil> we use nfs
20:37 < perlmonkey2> I was trying to figure out how Media Temple offered 100Gb for $20/month and it has to be a distributed file system.
20:38 < perlmonkey2> probably have some optimized cheap MB/proc, 8 sata controllers and 8 500Gb drives per node on the DFS.
20:39 < ckotil> that would work.
20:39 < ckotil> we just bought a 4TB NAS from dell
20:39 < ckotil> the dell powervault
20:39 < ckotil> its reasonbly priced
20:39 < ckotil> and we can expand it to 8TB 
20:39 < perlmonkey2> at $20/month that is $800/month for their ~$1000 node.
20:40 < ckotil> wow. paid off in a month.
20:40 < perlmonkey2> 500GB are selling for $104 on newegg.
20:41 < perlmonkey2> and since it is raid'd across your nodes, you don't do backups.  Is there a raid solution that can lose/rebuild after a single failure?
20:41 < ckotil> yes.
20:42 < ckotil> raid5
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20:54 < nuba> if you're rolling your own disk array then check lvm too
20:56 < nuba> i've done a decent netapp lookalike with fibre channel, and raid5 on top of lvm2 :)
20:56 < nuba> also you may want to check freenas
20:56 < nuba> this one http://www.freenas.org/
20:57 < wgGuest45> How do I remove 'home' from my page url?
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21:16 < ckotil> does the lvm sacrifice performance?
21:18 < nuba> of course any layer you add will increase overhead
21:19 < nuba> however with lvm then you dont care about physical disks anymore
21:19 < ckotil> righteous
21:20 < ckotil> im using lvm on my RH5 machines.
21:20 < ckotil> and with XEN
21:20 < perlmonkey2> nuba: I've been running lvm for years.  I never knew it was capable of creating volumns over a network.
21:22  * perlmonkey2 only runs LVM as most of his machine have 4-8 drives.
21:29 < perlDreamer> ckotil: with all that virtualization, you better hope the NOC doesn't figure out a way to virtualize _you_
21:30 < ckotil> ;)
21:30 < nuba> perlmonkey2: whoa, nice, i never knew you could do that until about now
21:30 < ckotil> they need me too much.
21:34 < ckotil> pd, i think i hit a brick wall with the order of operations thing regarding a macro inside a tmpl expr.
21:35 < ckotil> you ever see that before?
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22:06 < ckotil> http://tinyurl.com/2lqpqh jeopard from 2 nights ago
22:08 < ckotil> +y
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23:08 < ckotil> http://www.dailygalaxy.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/12/02/microsoft_ad.jpg
23:09 <@preaction_> that emo punk deserves it
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00:08 < perlDreamer> ckotil: I got netsplit out of the channel.  What problem are you having with templates and macros?
00:18 < perlmonkey2> The WRE runs instead of Apache, right?
00:18 < perlmonkey2> The WRE requires there not be a webserver already running?
00:18 <@preaction_> in its normal configuration, yes
00:19 < perlmonkey2> cool, thanks
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00:37 < nuba> perlmonkey2> capable of creating volumns over a network
00:38 < nuba> got some URL? I rechecked LVM2's docs and found nothing on that
00:38 < nuba> i guess you confused LVM with something else
00:45 < nuba> found a nice setup here: http://www.gridvm.org/drbd-lvm-gnbd-and-xen-for-free-and-reliable-san.html
00:45 < perlmonkey2> I thought someone else was saying LVM can use drives over the network, I was just saying wow, I wasn't implying that it could.
00:47 < nuba> ah ok. that'd be nice indeed.
00:52 < nuba> when you said that i thought it would be something in the style of plan9
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01:18 < CIA-40> WebGUI: doug * r5100 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm): fix: Auto Request Commit setting creates extra version tag if asset is commited by another process
01:18 < CIA-40> WebGUI: doug * r5101 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm): backport 5100 to 7.4 branch
01:21 <@preaction> ONE ENTIRE WEEK TO FIND THAT BUG
01:23 < perlDreamer> and it made the caps lock key stick on your keyboard, too
01:23 <@preaction> no, that's me baby
01:23 <@preaction> i'm irrationally exhuberent
01:24 <@apeiron> s/h//
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01:24 < perlDreamer> Good, now go buy some stock so it pumps up the price and I can sell and retire early
01:24 < perlDreamer> and learn how to make pannenkoeken
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01:26 < wgGuest82> How do I remove 'home' from the page url?
01:27 <@preaction> update the page url to be what you want it to be using the asset edit page? or click "More" in the asset manager and choose "Change URL"?
01:31 < nuba> i think he meant just dropping the 'home' in 'http://www.example.com/home'
01:31 < wgGuest82> Yes
01:31 < nuba> if thats the case then Settings->Content->Default Home Page is possibly what you're looking for
01:32 < nuba> so if you go to 'http://www.example.com' you'll hit the default page
01:32 < nuba> default setting is 'Home'
01:33 < nuba> now, accessing 'http://www.example.com/home' will still work
01:34 < nuba> if you have a problem with that, then i think things will get a bit more complicated
01:35 < nuba> i'd solve it with a redirect rule in modproxy
01:36 < nuba> well thats the first thing that comes to my mind, anyway you can ask for more ideas here if you want..
01:38 < wgGuest82> It will have to be this other way, redirect rule in ModProxy
01:40 < wgGuest82> I would like to know how to use a redirect in modproxy to change remove 'home' from the page url
01:41 <@preaction> not a redirect, a rewrite rule, is there any special reason why you need to remove "home"?
01:43 < wgGuest82> None. Just that I'm more familiar using a static site and more familiar with a folder structure of page url
01:44 <@preaction> but "home" is the "home" asset under the root node "/"
01:44 < nuba> preaction: yeah its a redirect: ^/home$ / [R]
01:46 < nuba> the R flag will force an external redirection, with a HTTP code in the 300-400 range if you want (and default being 302) and all that
01:50 < nuba> wgGuest82: you should really think about why is it that '/home' in the URL bothers you
01:52 < nuba> 'cause you can just ignore it, use the 'Default Home Page' setting, and build your website the way you are used to
01:58 < wgGuest82> Ok. I will probably reconsider. From the looks of it I have one more issue that now seems more important. News style CS
01:59 < wgGuest82> I've tried all the templates in the CS and none of them has a teaser with 'read more'
02:00 < nuba> check the weblog one.
02:01 < wgGuest82> It doesn't give me a teaser. It gives the full story and its not formatted /<p>
02:02 < nuba> check the template variables for the CS
02:04 < nuba> then copy the weblog template or any other that looks closer to what you want
02:04 < nuba> and edit it
02:04 < wgGuest82> In the WebGUI Designers Guide, I followed an example to create a News Brief template that works but they didn't put a synopsis; I did and the content repeats itself
02:04 < nuba> i haven't seen the designers guide, can't help you with that one
02:04 < nuba> but you should find what you need in the help
02:06 < wgGuest82> The help wasn't explicit enough regarding synopsis
02:09 < nuba> heh, maybe we need someone to get familiar with it then contribute back with some better wording for the help, then ;)
02:09 < nuba> what about it?
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04:24 < metanil> i change code in /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Operation/User.pm.
04:25 < metanil> i intentionally put junk...
04:25 < metanil> it didn't show any errors..
04:25 < metanil> ?
04:25 <@preaction> you need to restart the webserver before any changes occur
04:25 <@preaction> or you need to use Apache2::SizeLimit
04:25 < metanil> yaa.. already restart mod_proxy
04:26 < metanil> yaa.. already restarted mod_proxy
04:26 <@preaction> that's not the server that loads webgui
04:26 < metanil> from WRE
04:26 < metanil> oops!
04:26 < metanil> then?
04:26 <@preaction> the other oen
04:27 < metanil> actually from the WebGUI page its not working .. because its not showing page....(cause i put junk) .. but it didn't show any errors.. in modproxy.error.log
04:27 < metanil> did i missed something?
04:28 <@preaction> once again, the mod_proxy instance does not do anything with WebGUI itself
04:28 <@preaction> two better places to look: webgui.log modperl.error.log
04:30 < metanil> oh!.. got it.. i found it in webgui.log
04:31 < metanil> thanks preaction
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11:18 < CIA-40> WebGUI: doug * r5103 /branch/photogallery/WebGUI/www/extras/yui-carousel/ (carousel-min.js carousel_min.js): added carousel
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16:25 < SDuensin> Morning.
16:26 < ckotil> Good Morning
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21:49 < teflond0n> anyone here worked with the weather function much?
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22:51 < perlDreamer> teflond0n: what's your question?
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23:07 < teflond0n> all I get is the ^AssetProxy(weather); when I try to get it to show... is there anything different I need to do with weathers macro?
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01:21 < perlDreamer> boy, it gets quiet in here in December
01:22 <@preaction_> indeed
01:22 < perlDreamer> feeling the urge to merge?
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01:23 <@preaction_> not yet, this weekend it'll happen, or friday if i'm quick
01:23 <@preaction_> i've got another feature i need to add: packages in the upgrade script (i'm sick of using those ".tmpl" files and not being able to add images, snippets, etc...)
01:24 < perlDreamer> cool
01:24 < perlDreamer> I think I'm going to have to use Perl::Critic guts (_privateFunctions) in order to finish the label checker
01:24 < perlDreamer> and I'm hoping that the main loop is safely reentrant
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15:50 < ckotil> does the wiki asset only display the option to add content after your search comes up empty?
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16:11 < SDuensin> Morning.
16:13 < ckotil> Good Morning.
16:15 < SDuensin> Did I say "good"?  :-P
16:25 < ckotil> you're right. its OK
16:25 < ckotil> and only tuesday!
16:25 < ckotil> im anxiously awaiting friday.
16:25 < ckotil> im taking a road trip to the rocky mountains for a little over a week
16:25 < ckotil> they are getting hammered with snow right now!
16:26 < ckotil> can you limit access to who can edit content profilings? 
16:26 < ckotil> im tagging all my assets to create custom views and searches.
16:27 < ckotil> i can see i could get burned if anyone can change the new tag.
16:29 < ckotil> woah! 2 new tabs on plainblack.com
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18:39 < perlDreamer> rizen: ping
18:39 < perlDreamer> got a bug question for you
18:39 < perlDreamer> is Asset/fixUrl supposed to truncate to 220 characters long, or remove the first 220 characters?
18:39 <@rizen> truncate to 220
18:40 < perlDreamer> bug fix in 15 minutes then :)
18:40 <@rizen> k
18:40 <@rizen> i can't believe i screwed that up
18:40 <@rizen> that means it's been broken forever
18:40 < perlDreamer> who uses 250 character URLs?
18:40 <@rizen> but i guess, how often do you get that big of url
18:40 <@rizen> yeah
18:41 <@rizen> i hope to have something super cool to show you by the end of the week
18:41 <@rizen> a little side project i've been working on that i needed for an internal plain black project
18:42 < perlDreamer> I have a Christmas shopping date with Kathy on Friday, but I'll be sure to be online that evening, and a little over the weekend.
18:42 <@rizen> well i may have it by tomorrow
18:42 <@rizen> it just depends on how things go
18:42 <@rizen> and it can wait until next week if needs be
18:42 <@rizen> it's not that big of deal
18:42 <@rizen> i just think that there are some in our little community that are going to flip their hats once they realize what it does
18:48 < CIA-40> WebGUI: colin * r5104 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm t/Asset/Asset.t): correct truncation in fixUrl, add a test for future coverage
18:48 < CIA-40> WebGUI: colin * r5105 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): forward porting fixUrl bugfix and test
18:48 < ckotil> are you gonna keep it entirely under wraps?
18:50 <@rizen> yup
18:50 <@rizen> until i merge it into svn
18:50 <@rizen> then i'll do a black blog post about it
18:51 < perlDreamer> Hey, at least he isn't making us wait until Christmas to find out
19:02 < ckotil> true
19:02 <@rizen> pd, i may have hinted or told you a little about it in a previous conversation
19:02 <@rizen> back when i first started working on it
19:03 <@rizen> but things have come up so i haven't finished it for about 3 weeks
19:03 <@rizen> when it should have only been a days work
19:09 < perlDreamer> I'm drawing a blank, but I've also worked on 4 chips over the last several weeks so I'm a little scattered.
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19:40 < perlDreamer> In other news, I got the Perl::Critic policy up and working.
19:40 < perlDreamer> It's functionally equivalent to t/i18n/label.t
19:40 < perlDreamer> Adding the scope will require some extra code, and using private Perl::Critic functions
19:40 < perlDreamer> but I don't think that's a problem
19:41 < perlDreamer> The bummer is that Perl::Critic/PPI seems to be dog slow
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20:03 < ckotil> do init scripts ship with the wre? 
20:03 < ckotil> init scripts for spectre.
20:06 < ckotil> found it
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20:58 < SDuensin> http://forum.exler.ru/uploads/110/post-1192135721.jpg
21:05 <@apeiron> Wow, that's apparently from MSVC6.0.
21:05  * perlDreamer gives an evil chuckle
21:08 < SDuensin> :-)
21:08 < perlDreamer> well, i write most of the tests, so that probably make _me_ a maintenance programmer
21:09 < perlDreamer> Fortunately for y'all, my chainsaw is broken
21:09 < perlDreamer> and my axes are very dull
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23:18 < CIA-40> WebGUI: colin * r5106 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Operation/User.pm): fix a bug where secondary admins could add users to any groups, as opposed to only the groups that the admin belongs to
23:18 < CIA-40> WebGUI: colin * r5107 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Operation/User.pm): forward porting secondary admin group access privileges when creating users
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23:38 < perlDreamer> I could use a second opinion on some Asset.pm code (fixUrl).  Anyone have 5 minutes?
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23:42 < perlDreamer> I could use a second opinion on some Asset.pm code (fixUrl).  Anyone have 5 minutes?
23:43 <@rizen> sure what's up
23:43 < perlDreamer> If extrasURL or uploadsURL starts with http:, fixUrl looks like it wants to strip off http:/
23:43 < perlDreamer> unfortunately, it won't strip off http://sitename:port/
23:44 < perlDreamer> which is what I think it really wants to do
23:44 < perlDreamer> Asset.pm, line 555
23:44 <@rizen> fixUrl shouldn't have anyting to do with extras or uploads
23:44 <@rizen> it's only on assets
23:44 < perlDreamer> it also checks to see if the submitted URL is like the extrasURL or uploadsURL
23:45 < perlDreamer> if so, then it prepends a _ to it
23:46 <@rizen> i see that now
23:46 <@rizen> it should also be checking against passthru urls
23:47 <@rizen> so what is the second opinion you're looking for?
23:47 <@rizen> what's your opinion, in other words?
23:48 < perlDreamer> well, if the extrasURL is http://mysite/extras
23:48 < perlDreamer> $badUrl will end up being mysite/extras
23:48 < perlDreamer> I think it should be just extras
23:49 < perlDreamer> so the sitename (and optionally port) should be removed, too
23:49 < perlDreamer> (and I'll add passthru urls to the list of badUrls)
23:50 <@rizen> i agree
23:50 <@rizen> it seems like you didn't really need a second opinion there
23:50 <@rizen> =)
23:51 < perlDreamer> No, but when the code is very very specific it makes me doubt
23:51 < perlDreamer> and I'll write tests to verify stuff before hacking
23:52 < perlDreamer> maybe that regexp is greedier than I'm thinking
23:52 < perlDreamer> It is!
23:53 <@rizen> btw, while you're in there feel free to add more comments to stuff
23:53 <@rizen> i commented the hell out of it the last time i was in there as you can see
23:53 <@rizen> but maybe it needs even more
23:54 < perlDreamer> No, I need to go back and study Jeff Friedl's book again
23:54 < perlDreamer> .* is greedy
23:54 < perlDreamer> very greedy
23:57 <@rizen> yes it is
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00:03 < perlDreamer> I'm going to post some more questions to the dev list
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00:21 <@rizen> responded
00:26 < perlDreamer> muchas gracias, jefe
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00:35 < perlDreamer> welcome wgGuest86
00:35 < perlDreamer> Please ask your questions
00:35 < perlDreamer> You don't need to ask to ask questions
00:38 < wgGuest86> hello, someone knows how to synchronize the authentications of the webGUI with LDAP?
00:42 < wgGuest86> as I make a new module auth?
00:42 < perlDreamer> I think WebGUI already handles LDAP, but I've never played with it myself
00:42 < perlDreamer> have you looked in the Wiki, and on the discussion boards at webgui.org?
00:51 < wgGuest86> I need that when a user register into WebGUI is reflected in LDAP
00:52 < perlDreamer> again, I'm not very familiar with using LDAP in WebGUI, but I think there is a workflow that does that
00:52 < perlDreamer> maybe it only works on existing users in LDAP
00:56 < wgGuest86> I used LDAP with WebGUI and I found that works with users who are registered LDAP, but I need to be reversed
00:59 < perlDreamer> offhand I'd say that it's not supported right now, then.
01:01 < perlDreamer> that would take a custom workflow to upgrade the LDAP from the WebGUI database then, as you originally suggested
01:01 < wgGuest86> as I make a new module auth? 
01:02 < perlDreamer> that should work, but it would allow anyone who can see the site to create an LDAP profile for themselves.
01:03 < CIA-40> WebGUI: colin * r5108 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)
01:03 < CIA-40> WebGUI: Documented a regexp in Session/Url.pm
01:03 < CIA-40> WebGUI: Add passthruUrls to the list of URLs that are changed by fixUrl.
01:03 < CIA-40> WebGUI: Wrote a bunch of POD for fixUrl
01:03 < CIA-40> WebGUI: Changed the regular expressions related to badUrl so they don't need to copy the data. This
01:03 < CIA-40> WebGUI: will speed them up.
01:03 < CIA-40> WebGUI: Fixed a bug where trailing slashes would defeat the badUrl check.
01:03 < CIA-40> WebGUI: colin * r5109 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (3 files in 3 dirs): backporting fixUrl changes/tests from HEAD
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01:06 <@apeiron> Ooh. Perl 5.10 scheduled for 12/18/2007.
01:06 <@apeiron> http://xrl.us/bcnsv
01:07 < perlDreamer> w00t!
01:07 < perlDreamer> wait a second
01:07 < perlDreamer> it's a hoax
01:07 < perlDreamer> has to be
01:07 < perlDreamer> that's 1 week before Christmas
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01:25 < perlDreamer> nope, not a hoax
01:25 < perlDreamer> It will be on Dec 18th
01:25 < perlDreamer> The 20th anniversary of Perl
01:27 <@rizen> pd are you coming to oscon?
01:29 < perlDreamer> I think so
01:29 < perlDreamer> like 85% sure
01:30 <@rizen> as it gets closer
01:30 <@rizen> i'd like to spend an hour with you brainstorming some stuff we could do at oscon
01:30 < perlDreamer> not a problem
01:30 <@rizen> i want to get the most out of the $15k that i'm putting into it
01:37 <@khenn> http://www.slideshare.net/rjbs/perl-510-for-people-who-arent-totally-insane
01:37 <@khenn> for anyone wondering what is coming in perl 5.10
01:37 <@khenn> it's supposed to be backward compatible with 5.8
01:38 <@apeiron> Where's the perl-510-for-people-who-are-totally-insane ?
01:39 <@khenn> those would be the whitepapers
01:39 <@khenn> have fun
01:39 <@rizen> say $what
01:39 <@rizen> hehe, i love that
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01:50 <@rizen> fuck fuck fuck fuck shit shit fuck
01:50 <@rizen> we can't use perl 5.10
01:50 <@rizen> well we can use it, but we can't use any of the new features
01:50 <@rizen> because webgui only requires 5.8
01:50 <@rizen> so i can't
01:50 <@rizen> say $what
01:54 < knowmad> $]=~/5.10/?say $what:print $what
01:55 < knowmad> see, you can still say $what
01:55 <@rizen> but i can't do  if ( $foo ~~ $bar) 
01:55 < knowmad> well, that's true
01:55 <@rizen> and also, won't that "say" be flagged by the compiler?
01:56 < knowmad> but you didn't ask about that earlier 
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01:56 < knowmad> you'd think so but it wasn't when i ran it from cmd line
01:56 < knowmad> i wasn't using strict
01:56 <@rizen> wierd
01:56 < knowmad> perl -le '$what="Hello";$]=~/5.10/?say $what:print $what'
01:57 <@rizen> so you think i should share the commerce specs when they're done, eh?
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01:57 < knowmad> well, i agree with your points you made in reply
01:57 <@rizen> who's going to protect me from fathertorque and ehab
01:57 < knowmad> but, i would like to see them
01:57 <@rizen> or rather, them from me
01:57 < knowmad> :)
01:57 < knowmad> i agree that you shouldn't open the discussion
01:58 < perlDreamer> Perl6::Say module :)
01:58 < perlDreamer> works in 5.8
01:58 < knowmad> too much effort to manage it; look how long it's taking Perl6 to evolve
01:58 < perlDreamer> not needed in 5.10
01:58 <@rizen> don't make me kick you in the nuts pd
01:58 < knowmad> perlDreamer:  sweet!
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01:59 < knowmad> i would like to read the specs 
01:59 < SDuensin> Good evening!
01:59 < knowmad> and this time i promise not to say anything unless i have time to implement my suggestion
01:59 <@rizen> we'll see
02:00 <@rizen> so far i can't wrap my head around it enough to write them
02:00 < knowmad> i can only imagine
02:00 <@rizen> it's becoming so big that i can't fit it all in my head at once
02:00 < knowmad> ecommerce is one of my least favorite projects
02:00 <@rizen> which hasn't happened to me since i was trying to figure out how to make lineage work
02:00 <@rizen> before i came up with lineage
02:01 < knowmad> from what i've understood of it so far, it's a damn nice solution
02:01 < knowmad> here's to a repeat performance
02:01 < perlDreamer> amen
02:02 < knowmad> so you guys are putting on a dog and pony show at OSCon this year, eh? i was very happy to see the list of places you'll be showing off the wares in '08
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02:03 <@rizen> yeah, new features and products aren't really our focus this year
02:03 <@rizen> it's really all about getting the word out
02:03 < perlDreamer> say $word_out
02:03 < knowmad> i think that's a good thing. speak of which, do you know how are the white papers coming?
02:03 <@rizen> white papers? did someone say something about white papers?
02:04 < knowmad> we could pull in our PR firm (that we're overpaying right now!) to help out
02:04 < knowmad> yeah, i'm drawing a blank on the name.... who'd you hire recently for helping you with marketing?
02:04 < perlDreamer> Tavis
02:04 <@rizen> we wrote one, but it's not ready for prime time as my writer is prego and going to pop any day now
02:04 < knowmad> ah! thanks. yes, Tavis mentioned it at the WUC
02:05 < knowmad> that definitely takes precedence
02:05 <@rizen> Tavis is in charge of marketing, but kristi does all of our writing
02:06 <@rizen> so knowmad, what do you think of the black blog? is it necessary? is it a good thing? cuz it's one of those things that every monday i wrack my brain about what to put into it
02:07 <@rizen> so i'm wondering if i should keep it going or not
02:07 < knowmad> definitely! i ready it every week
02:08 < knowmad> i think it creates a good forum for you outside of the webgui.org support forums which you don't (and shouldn't) be participating in regularly (except the dev list, of course)
02:08 <@rizen> well see, that's kind of the thing i'm thinking about
02:09 <@rizen> normally this stuff would have just been posted to the dev list
02:09 < knowmad> it sets you apart as the WebGUI expert, which you are
02:09 <@rizen> the only good think i can see about keeping it separate is that it frees me to talk about non-dev related things
02:09 < knowmad> i think a separate arena is more appropriate for these big vision talks
02:10 <@rizen> i don't know how big the vision was this week. =) 
02:10 <@rizen> it was just me ranting about my brain hurting
02:10 < knowmad> i find it very important for understanding what you're thinking and where you're leading your company (and thus those of us who ride on your coattails)
02:10 < knowmad> well, some weeks are a bit more interesting than others but i didn't know you were contemplating ecommerce this past week until i read the blog
02:11 < knowmad> that's why it's important
02:12 <@rizen> it seems that you and koen like it for the same reasons
02:12 < knowmad> yeah, to make sure you haven't jumped off the deep end yet :-P
02:12 <@rizen> for years he's been saying that people need to be let in on what i'm thinking
02:12 < perlDreamer> transparency is a good thing
02:12 < perlDreamer> until it drives you crazy
02:13 <@rizen> it mainly drives me crazy because i don't think what i'm thinking is all that interesting
02:13 <@rizen> =)
02:13 < knowmad> yeah, which is why i agree with him that opening up the commerce spec to discussion would make one crazy
02:13 <@rizen> therefore it's hard for me to know what to post that will be interesting to you guys
02:13 < knowmad> you're thinking too hard; just keep ranting and you'll be doing fine
02:13 <@rizen> also, there's a lot of stuff that i can't talk about
02:13 < perlDreamer> Use your page hits to tell you what people are interested in
02:14 <@rizen> stuff that if made public, it would be too soon, and people would be bugging me about it
02:14 < knowmad> yeah, that's ashame as i'm sure it's really cool stuff 
02:14 < knowmad> but that's always the case
02:15 < knowmad> hey, i've gotta go feed the doggies; ya'll have a good evening
02:15 < perlDreamer> good night, knowmad
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02:15 <@rizen> night
02:16 < perlDreamer> xtopher is cranking out the bugs
02:17 <@rizen> we have a staff bugfix day on thursday
02:17 <@rizen> should be able to close out most of the list
02:17 < perlDreamer> is that before the .18 release?
02:17 <@rizen> probably
02:18 <@rizen> even though graham is supposed to release stuff on wednesday mornings
02:18 <@rizen> he never seems to do it until just before midnight
02:18 <@rizen> =)
02:18 < perlDreamer> It's gotta be Wednesday somewhere :)
02:18 <@rizen> i keep telling him to do it in the morning, but he's always like, "i can fix one more bug"
02:18 <@rizen> and then it's 11:59 when the release comes out
02:20 <@rizen> i only see one xtopher bug on the lsit
02:20 <@rizen> have you been closing xtopher bugs?
02:21 < perlDreamer> Yes, after fixing them
02:21 <@rizen> that's what i meant
02:22 < perlDreamer> I've been very tempted to close the bug that seems to be an RFE
02:22 < perlDreamer> having to do with Workflow return values
02:23 < perlDreamer> http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/fatal-error-status-return-from-workflow-activity-plugin-modules#wtrfkN6O8V_sDkjxZxRkIA
02:23 <@rizen> yeah already reading it
02:23 <@rizen> i hadn't realized they posted that as a bug
02:24 < perlDreamer> It's an RFE, right?
02:24 < perlDreamer> We want it to do this, it doesn't do it now.
02:24 <@rizen> it is an RFE and he's also confused about what i said
02:24 <@rizen> i'll respond to him
02:27 <@rizen> closed
02:27 <@rizen> man i hate having the same conversation 50 times with people
02:33 < perlDreamer> well, I can see xtopher's no URL extension bug http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/url-extensions#TpBDbtGnQfno6yHLBaCG8A
02:33 < perlDreamer> part of the problem is the Asset->update is called 4 times when creating an Asset
02:34 < perlDreamer> but the fix is going to have to wait until later
02:34 < perlDreamer> cuz I gotta scoot
02:35 <@rizen> later
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05:41 <+perlDreamer> I still can't believe that asset->update gets called four times when the asset is created
05:41 <+perlDreamer> seems overkill
05:41 <+perlDreamer> and slow
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07:45 <+perlDreamer> 3 bugs down
07:45 <+perlDreamer> time to go back to test writing
07:45 <+perlDreamer> well, until tomorrow anyway
07:48 < CIA-40> WebGUI: colin * r5110 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm): fix a bug where url extensions were no longer being added to Asset urls on creation
07:48 < CIA-40> WebGUI: colin * r5111 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm): forward porting url extension bugfix from branch
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15:59 < SDuensin> Morning all.
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18:38 < perlDreamer> morning, folks
18:50 <@rizen> is it?
18:50 <@rizen> still morning i mean
18:58 < perlmonkey2> google webgui "show performance" and look at the second return.  How did that happen?  
18:58 < perlmonkey2> Google crawled a protected admin page.
18:58 < perlDreamer> It is in Oregon :)
18:58 < perlmonkey2> Looks like a horribly misconfigured instance though.
18:59 < perlmonkey2> http://www.cameronbaptist.com/home/events?op=viewHelp;hid=settings;namespace=WebGUI is what I'm talking about.
18:59 < perlDreamer> The Help is publicly available
19:00 < ckotil> whats this show performance?
19:00 < perlDreamer> Oh, it's kind of like debug mode
19:00 < perlDreamer> It's like a WebGUI stack trace for a page
19:00 < perlDreamer> with times for each subroutine call
19:00 < ckotil> ah.
19:00 < ckotil> neat. 
19:00 <@rizen> it's actualy called "performance indicators"
19:00 < perlmonkey2> ckotil: useful for seeing how fast your machine can render a page.
19:01 < perlmonkey2> I think you just add up all the timed assets for total page time?
19:01 < perlDreamer> It should provide a sum
19:01 <@rizen> and it's useful especially for figuring out which components on your page are rendering slowly
19:01 < perlDreamer> and, iirc, it's also sortable
19:01 < perlmonkey2> it is strange, when I log in components are created much faster it seems.
19:02 < perlDreamer> Maybe your cache is slow
19:02 < perlDreamer> but I did notice that the Visitor account on pb.com is usually cached 1 week old, or older
19:02 < ckotil> http://globalnoc.iu.edu/?op=viewHelp;hid=settings;namespace=WebGUI heh, mines public too.
19:02 < ckotil> so only way for google to get to it would be for someone to link to it.
19:03 <@preaction> iirc in 7.4 you can change that using the Settings pane under Permissions
19:03 <@preaction> (what group is allowed to view Help)
19:03 < perlDreamer> what does it default to?
19:03 < ckotil> Everyone
19:03 < ckotil> i like this permissions tab in settings.
19:04 <@preaction> they all default to how it was before the permissions tab was added
19:04 < perlDreamer> nice
19:05 <@preaction> which is why there's the weird permissions for Users and Groups (Secondary Admins are a fuzzy kind of group)
19:07 < perlmonkey2> I never realized how fast WebGUI was until I saw that speed asset.
19:07 < perlmonkey2> on my 2.8GHz test server the default home page is .06 seconds.
19:08 < perlmonkey2> Logged out, it is .05.
19:08 <@rizen> one can never have too much speed
19:08 <@rizen> at least as far as websites are concerned
19:09 < perlmonkey2> even after clearing the cache it was .23 seconds.....still blazing fast.
19:09 <@preaction> those're just articles though, get some weight to it: add a few collab systems, a calendar with a few hundred events, etc...
19:21 < ckotil> do you have to have the wre to enable these performance tests?
19:21 < perlDreamer> no
19:21 < perlDreamer> "But you have to ask nicely"
19:21 < ckotil> is there a write up about it anywehre?
19:22 < perlDreamer> You can have all the performance indicators you want
19:22 < perlDreamer> You do believe that I'm here to help you get performance indicators you want
19:22 < perlDreamer> You do believe that, right?
19:22 < ckotil> I believe
19:22 < ckotil> I BELIVE
19:22 <@rizen> i belittle
19:22 < perlDreamer> I quote jack nicholson
19:24 < ckotil> search asset is supposed to match strings as short as 2 characters right?
19:26 < perlDreamer> I think that may be with WRE 0.81
19:26 < perlDreamer> if you're using the system MySQL, the limits will probably be different
19:26 < ckotil> damn
19:27 <@rizen> it either requires wre 0.81 or a tweak to your mysql config
19:27 <@rizen> and a restart of mysql
19:27 < ckotil> ok cool.
19:27 < ckotil> thanks.
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19:29 < perlDreamer> wh yd oy ou wa nt to se ar ch 2l et te rw or ds ??
19:29 < ckotil> one of my new asset metaDataFeilds. is 2 charachters
19:29 < ckotil> im trying to search by that new field.
19:29 < ckotil> ive already indexed the site with the fields added to the keywords.
19:30 < ckotil> field* rather.
19:41 < ckotil> that fixed it ;)
19:41 < ckotil> thanks.
19:41 < ckotil> but the results arent as clean as I'd hope.
19:41 < ckotil> ideally i would hack up the search asset to search a new row in assetIndex.
19:42 < ckotil> that proved difficult.
19:43 < ckotil> lunch.
21:18 < ckotil> hrm, a select * from assetIndex where assetIndex.newRow = '<TAG>'; seems a lot more efficient than simply tossing <TAG> into assetIndex.keywords.
21:18 < ckotil> your thoughts?
22:44 < perlDreamer> celery tastes bad, no matter what you put on it
22:45 < ckotil> i like it with hot wings. cools down the mouth.
22:45 < perlDreamer> I thought that's what beer was for ;)
22:46 < perlDreamer> but if you'd prefer celery, more power to you
22:46 < ckotil> some hotness beer cannot quench
23:47 < perlmonkey2> celery covered in penut butter and honey tastes okay
23:48 < perlmonkey2> until you taste the celery
23:48 <@rizen> celery rocks
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23:50 < steveo_aam> I have a question about asset ranking in the asset manager.  How can the assets be reordered (re-ranked)?
23:51 <@rizen> just drag on the rank number of any asset you want to move
23:51 <@rizen> you can also use the promote and demote links
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23:54 < metanil> ok .. here is ubuntu related questions
23:55 < metanil> i put the wreconsole in startup..
23:55 < metanil> it did start (ps aux shows it)
23:55 < metanil> but i cannot browse it
23:56 <@rizen> your firewall is likely blocking it
23:56 < metanil> -A INPUT -p tcp -m state --state NEW -m tcp --dport 60834 -j ACCEPT 
23:57 < metanil> i already did opened it.
23:57 <@rizen> try getting to it from the command line with links, lynx, wget, or curl
23:57 <@rizen> curl http://localhost:60834/
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00:02 < perlmonkey2> If I'm not running apache, then the WRE should *just work* ?
00:03 <@rizen> and mysql
00:03 < perlmonkey2> groovy
00:04 <@rizen> pm2, how's the survey stuff coming along?
00:04 < perlmonkey2> Instead of drag and drop to connect responses to the question that should come after them, 
00:04 < metanil> while doing ps aux it will show
00:04 < metanil> root      3637  0.1  0.0      0     0 ?        Zs   15:45   0:01 [wremonitor.pl] <defunct>
00:05 <@rizen> that's wremonitor
00:05 < perlmonkey2> how would it be if the questions defaulted to the next question but if clicked on had a pop-up div to enter in the question they wanted teh survey to fork to?
00:05 <@rizen> not wreconsole.pl
00:05 <@rizen> is that an option your peeps want?
00:05 < perlmonkey2> How much ram does the WRE use up?  I usually see apache using about 300meg under default RH settings
00:05 < perlmonkey2> rizen well they want the survey to be forkable, but your original specs had drag and drop
00:06 < perlmonkey2> but drag and drop is kind of complex.
00:06 <@rizen> wre will use as much as you let it use, but it can be tweaked to use very little if you prefer
00:06 <@rizen> well a drop down is fine if you can't make the drag and drop work
00:06 <@rizen> at least for forking
00:06 <@rizen> i'd still like drag and drop for ordering of questions
00:07 < perlmonkey2> The problem is scaling things.
00:07 < perlmonkey2> after a 50 or so questions we'll be out of canvas on a screen.
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00:07 <@rizen> right, but then you can scroll it
00:07 < perlmonkey2> I guess dragging the mouse to the top of the div could autoscroll?
00:07 <@rizen> just like we do with the drag and drop asset possitioning
00:07 <@rizen> yup
00:08 < perlmonkey2> rizen: is that a YUI feature or just a bit of code tha tlooks for a mouse event at the top or bottom of the div?
00:08 <@rizen> the drag and drop content positioning is old code. it existed way before yui was even some yahoo developer's wet dream
00:08 <@rizen> but, my guess is that yui has a way to do it
00:09 <@rizen> or you could use the same trick with yui, just stealing a bit of code from draggable.js
00:10 <+MrHairgrease> it does autoscroll
00:10 < perlmonkey2> well, it is all coming together so it shouldn't be that hard to add in the drag and drop.  dragging a question will place it between the dropped question, dragging an answer will either reorder it if dropped on a same question answer, or fork the survey if dropped on another question.
00:10 <+MrHairgrease> just check out any of the examples 
00:12 < metanil> i think wre is not using too much memory.. if i ran it manaully
00:12 < metanil> .. the problem only occurs when using that script at startup
00:17 < metanil> is there any particular way of starting the wreconsole at startup???
00:17 < metanil> i created a simple shell script which run wreconsole.pl.. but its seems like its not working. 
00:17 < perlmonkey2> rizen: Ah, when you said mysql, you meant I needed to have mysql turned off.  The WRE uses 80, 443, and 3306?
00:17 <@rizen> metanil, you should not leave wreconsole.pl running
00:17 <@rizen> it was never intended to always run
00:17 < perlmonkey2> Wow, the WRE is incredible.
00:18 <@rizen> yes
00:18 <@rizen> turned off
00:18 <@rizen> pm2, what makes you say that...i mean i think so too, i just want to know why you do
00:20 < perlmonkey2> Bundling all that software together in a pretuned package with binaries for almost any modern OS, is quite a feet.  It makes installing and using WebGUI extremely simple.
00:20 < metanil> rizen.. why it is not good to leave wreconsole.pl running???
00:20 <@rizen> it is quite a feet (if i can say that without tooting my own horn too much)
00:20 <@rizen> s/feet/feat/
00:20 < perlmonkey2> :)
00:20 <@rizen> metanil: for one it's not secured at all, and for another it was never tested to run forever
00:21 <@rizen> my goal though with the WRE was to make administering all that software easy
00:21 <@rizen> do you think i achieved that goal?
00:21 < metanil> whats the solution then? using separate apache and mysql configure for WebGUI??
00:22 <@rizen> metanil you don't need weconsole.pl to start the services
00:22 <@rizen> wreservice.pl does that
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00:22 <@rizen> from the command line
00:22 <@rizen> and that's what you should use
00:22 < wgGuest06> hello all
00:22 <@rizen> and for a few operating systems, there are system scripts that are already writen for that
00:22 <@rizen> in the /data/wre/sbin/services folder
00:23 < wgGuest06> i have a question related with sql reports
00:23 < wgGuest06> i want to use the placeholders getting the value from a dataform
00:24 < metanil> o o.. 
00:24 < metanil> hmmm
00:24 < wgGuest06> i have a data form with one field.  the type of it is date
00:25 < wgGuest06> i want to add a date and that value will be the parameter to execute the query in the sql report
00:25 < wgGuest06> how can i get it?
00:26 <+MrHairgrease> if you pass the date through a form post
00:26 <+MrHairgrease> in variable dateVar
00:26 <+MrHairgrease> use form:dateVar in the placeholder fiedl in the sql report
00:27 <+MrHairgrease> and a question mark in the actual query where that data should come
00:27 < wgGuest06> ok
00:27 <+MrHairgrease> the question mark will be replaced with whatever value that is passed through the dateVer form variable
00:28 < wgGuest06> if I have many entris in the dataform the query will be executed with the last value added in the dataform?
00:29 <+MrHairgrease> i'm not sure what you are trying to accomplish
00:30 <+MrHairgrease> you are trying to fetch data from a dataform by using an sql query right?
00:30 < wgGuest06> yes
00:31 <+MrHairgrease> more specifically match a data form record by  a date you pass through a form post?
00:32 < wgGuest06> how will be the process?
00:33 < wgGuest06> i add a value in the data form, when I press the save botton I will be redirect to the data form, or the value will be stored and the sql report get the last parameter added in it
00:34 <+MrHairgrease> i don't understand
00:34 <+MrHairgrease> how are the data form and the sqlreport connected?
00:35 < wgGuest06> yes
00:35 <+MrHairgrease> it wasn't a yes/no question =)
00:35 <+MrHairgrease> it was a how question
00:36 < wgGuest06> i don't know how are the data form and the sqlreport connected
00:37 <+MrHairgrease> they aren't
00:37 < wgGuest06> do you know?
00:37 <+MrHairgrease> the sql report just gives you the possibility to execute sql queries against a database
00:37 <+MrHairgrease> and lay out the result set
00:38 <+MrHairgrease> there's no built in connection between the sql report and any other asset
00:38 <+MrHairgrease> you can do a query to the webgui database however
00:38 <+MrHairgrease> i'm still not sure what you're trying to accomplish with the sql report
00:38 <+MrHairgrease> but
00:39 < wgGuest06> for example 
00:39 <+MrHairgrease> you can get data out of a dataform by doing a query against the DataForm_entryData table
00:41 < wgGuest06> i want to generate a report where i can see the pages viewed by a user in a specific date
00:42 <+MrHairgrease> i don't think webgui keeps track of that
00:42 <+MrHairgrease> you should use aw stats or something like that i guess
00:42 <+MrHairgrease> aw stats is included in the wre btw
00:42 < wgGuest06> but the date is the parameter to execute the query
00:43 <+MrHairgrease> sure
00:43 <+MrHairgrease> but you have to compare it to something in the db
00:43 <+MrHairgrease> and i think webgui doesn't keeps a record of who views which page when
00:44 <+MrHairgrease> but you should ask rizen if you want to be completely sure
00:44 <+MrHairgrease> coming to think of it
00:45 <+MrHairgrease> i think webgui did have a page view log
00:45 <+MrHairgrease> way back in the 5.x series
00:45 <+MrHairgrease> but it turned out to eat immense amounts of disk and (iirc) also imapacted performance
00:45 <+MrHairgrease> which is why it has been removed
00:46 < wgGuest06> there is a table called passiveProfileLog that has a record for every wobject viewed by a user
00:46 <+MrHairgrease> ah
00:46 < wgGuest06> using that table and other tables i can generate the report
00:47 <+MrHairgrease> ok
00:47 <+MrHairgrease> i never used passive profiling so i'm not quite sure how it works
00:47 <+MrHairgrease> but if it does the job for you =)
00:47 <+MrHairgrease> but what do you need the dataform for then?
00:48 <+MrHairgrease> you'll need to match the dateOfEntry column
00:48 <+MrHairgrease> something like 
00:48 < wgGuest06> in that table i need to filter the pages viewed by the users in a specific date
00:49 < wgGuest06> yes 
00:49 < wgGuest06> i need to match that column
00:49 <+MrHairgrease> select ... from passiveProfileLog where dateOfEntry = to_unixtime(?)
00:49 < wgGuest06> exactly
00:50 <+MrHairgrease> and add a form input field to your sql report template called dateVar
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00:50 <+MrHairgrease> and put form:dateVar in the placeholder field
00:51 <+MrHairgrease> I don't think you'll need a data form
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00:52 < wgGuest06> in the sql report template?
00:52 <+MrHairgrease> or wherever you like it
00:52 <+MrHairgrease> as long as the action of the form containing it points to the sql report's url
00:54 < wgGuest06> ok
00:54 < wgGuest06> can i modify the action in a data form
00:54 < wgGuest06> ?
00:55 <+MrHairgrease> do not use a dataform
00:55 <+MrHairgrease> you won't need it
00:55 < wgGuest06> ok
00:55 <+MrHairgrease> a dataform asset is used to stored data in the db
00:55 <+MrHairgrease> you don't want that
00:55 < wgGuest06> ok
00:55 <+MrHairgrease> you just want to pass in a value to put in the where clause of an sql query
00:56 < wgGuest06> yes
00:56 < wgGuest06> i can create my own form
00:56 <+MrHairgrease> yes
00:56 <+MrHairgrease> that is what you should do
00:56 < wgGuest06> ok
00:57 < wgGuest06> thanks
00:57 < wgGuest06> for your
00:57 < wgGuest06> help
00:57 <+MrHairgrease> sure
00:57 <+MrHairgrease> good luck
00:57 < wgGuest06> bye
00:57 <+MrHairgrease> later
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01:09 < metanil> hello
01:09 < metanil> how do i copy a folder in asset (Import Node) to new folder
01:09 < metanil> ?
01:09 <+MrHairgrease> in the asset manager
01:09 < metanil> now, i am doing manually copying folder first.. then add all the files within it.. 
01:09 < metanil> yes
01:09 <+MrHairgrease> click on more and the select copy
01:10 < metanil> while copying .. it will append (copy) in its name
01:10 < metanil> can i get rid of that.?
01:10 <+MrHairgrease> just edit the copied asset
01:10 <+MrHairgrease> after pasting it somewhere
01:11 < metanil> i have to do all 40 files withing that folder right?
01:12 <+MrHairgrease> oh you want to copy recursively?
01:12 < metanil> yep :D
01:12 <+MrHairgrease> i think recent versions of webgui can do that
01:12 < metanil> i do have recent version (i guess)
01:12 <+MrHairgrease> not through the assdet manager though (i think)
01:12 <+MrHairgrease> ok 
01:12 <+MrHairgrease> do this
01:12 <+MrHairgrease> make sure admin is on
01:12 < metanil> ok
01:12 <+MrHairgrease> browse to the parent of the folder you want to copy
01:13 < metanil> ok
01:13 <+MrHairgrease> if you are still in the asset manager click on the back to site link
01:13 <+MrHairgrease> now you'll see you folder with a copy button in front of it
01:13 <+MrHairgrease> click that button and a menu should pop up
01:13 <+MrHairgrease> slect the recursive option from that menu
01:14 <+MrHairgrease> that should do the trick
01:14 < metanil> it didn't see that
01:14 <+MrHairgrease> that should work in 7.4.2
01:15 <+MrHairgrease> what don't you see?
01:15 <+MrHairgrease> the copy button or the menu?
01:15 < metanil> its in root > Import Node folder
01:15 <+MrHairgrease> oh crap
01:15 <+MrHairgrease> my bad
01:16 < metanil> i guess we can only browse from root > Home
01:16 <+MrHairgrease> navigate into the folder
01:16 < metanil> ok
01:16 <+MrHairgrease> then you'll see the edit/copy/cut buttons at the top of the page
01:16 <+MrHairgrease> next to the folder icon
01:16 < metanil> ya
01:16 <+MrHairgrease> use that copy
01:17 < metanil> ya after getting inside into that folder i see those options
01:17 <+MrHairgrease> use the with descendants option
01:17 <+MrHairgrease> that'll do it recusrively
01:18 < metanil> i guess i missed something here
01:19 < metanil> i don't see any edit/copy/cut buttons next ot the folder icon
01:19 <+MrHairgrease> ok, imagine this
01:19 < metanil> however i can see them at the bottom left
01:19 <+MrHairgrease> you want to copy the folder containing the article templates
01:20 <+MrHairgrease> go to the url yoursite.com/root/import/article
01:20 <+MrHairgrease> and make sure admin mode is on
01:20 <+MrHairgrease> afk
01:20 < metanil> them
01:21 < metanil> then
01:23 < metanil> ok i copied it. 
01:23 < metanil> using descendants option
01:23 < metanil> how can i copy now.. 
01:24 < perlmonkey2> rizen: Sorry had to run out for a bit.  Yes, I think you achieved that goal.  The WRE is a breeze to configure.
01:24 <@rizen> sweet
01:25 <@rizen> i'm suprized you hadn't used it before
01:26 < metanil> it worked!
01:26 < metanil> thanks Mrhairgrease
01:27 < perlDreamer> the wre suxors big time.  If it was any good, there would be a fedora version of it
01:28 < perlmonkey2> rizen: I first ran WebGUI from source because it was a test machine that also ran CGI.  And for some reason I just always used the source on production machines after that.  Now I know how much time I was wasting.
01:30 <@rizen> if fedora was any good it would have gotten votes when we posted a poll about which operating systems to build the WRE for
01:30 <+MrHairgrease> perlDreamer should switch to ubuntu
01:31 <+MrHairgrease> pd why not compile a fedora version yourself
01:31 < perlDreamer> I'm compiler impaired
01:31 <+MrHairgrease> and upload it to sf
01:32 < perlDreamer> but that would be a good solution
01:32 < perlDreamer> but then my tests wouldn't pass anymore
01:32 <+MrHairgrease> on my ubuntu box it compiles  flawlessly in about 40 minutes
01:32 <+MrHairgrease> ah screw tests
01:32 < perlDreamer> I should just try it, and stop whining about it
01:32 <+MrHairgrease> no
01:33 <+MrHairgrease> you should try it and still whine about it =)
01:34 <+MrHairgrease> rizen why is the recursive copy not enabled in the asset manager?
01:34 <+MrHairgrease> be design or is that still on the todo list
01:34 <+MrHairgrease> by*
01:34 <@rizen> because i want to get questions about it from you
01:34 <@rizen> honest answer: i don't know
01:34 <@rizen> i didn't develop it
01:35 <+MrHairgrease> ok that's clear
01:35 <+MrHairgrease> do you want me to ask some questions regarding antother aspect of webgui?
01:35 <@rizen> we really need to come up with some mechanism for generating menus of that stuff
01:35 <@rizen> so it's automatically available everywhere
01:35 <+MrHairgrease> yui?
01:35 <+MrHairgrease> oh ic
01:35 <+MrHairgrease> another api?
01:35 <@rizen> yeah
01:36 <@rizen> an aspect of assets
01:36 <@rizen> and to make that api extendable by subclassing in new assets
01:36 <+MrHairgrease> getCopyContextMenu
01:36 <@rizen> the getToolbar method just doesn't cut it
01:36 <+MrHairgrease> getIconContextmenu
01:36 <+MrHairgrease> stuff like that
01:36 <+MrHairgrease> well
01:37 <+MrHairgrease> the getToolbar method should prolly use those getXContextMenu methods
01:41 < metanil> hello all.. 
01:41 < metanil> can i put wreservice.pl in init.d
01:41 < metanil> ??
01:42 < metanil> for default startup in run level 3 or 5
01:42 <@rizen> no
01:42 <@rizen> i told you before
01:43 <@rizen> you have to use the scripts in /data/wre/sbin/services
01:43 <@rizen> or write your own
01:43 < metanil> hmmm. 
01:43 < perlDreamer> metanil: If you're having on going problems, we're happy to help out.  But a copy of the WebGUI Admins Guide may answer a whole lot of questions all at once.
01:45 < metanil> oh.. ok.. i think i solved it for now..  but i'll surely take a look at it
01:47 <@rizen> i absolutely suck
01:47 <@rizen> i can't seem to get anything done anymore
01:47 <@rizen> i think i need to hire someone to do all my dev work
01:47 < perlDreamer> This is why: http://the-programmers-stone.com/about/
01:47 <@rizen> cuz just running the business has gotten to be a full time job
01:49 < perlDreamer> I think you need someone who shares your vision and goals to run the business so that you can do the hackery that you love.
01:49 <@rizen> it's much easier to hire a programmer than it is to do that
01:51 < perlDreamer> sure, but do you want to hack, or do you want to biz?
01:52 <@rizen> i want to do both
01:52 <@rizen> it just depends on the day
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02:21 < perlmonkey2> rizen: I wondered how you were managing an obviously successful business *and* managing to write code.
02:21 <@rizen> i do one at a time
02:21 <@rizen> and work a lot of hours
02:21 < perlmonkey2> Year after year?
02:21 < perlDreamer> He's very dedicated to wG and PB
02:22 < perlDreamer> _and_ very good at it, too
02:22 < perlmonkey2> are you kissing your bosses arse?  :P
02:22 < perlmonkey2> s/bosses/boss's/
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02:23 < perlDreamer> Not until he starts sending me paychecks :)
02:23 < perlmonkey2> hah!
02:24 < perlDreamer> but it's true in any case
02:24 < perlmonkey2> From what I understand, he's 99.9% of WebGUI's existance, and that last .1% is only recent.
02:25 < perlDreamer> You should check out ohloh.net
02:25 < perlDreamer> it has good code contribution statistics
02:25 < perlmonkey2> ah, that is cool
02:25 < perlDreamer> He's definitely the majority
02:25 < perlDreamer> _Way_ in the majority
02:25 < perlmonkey2> hah, I didn't know WebGUI's primary language is javascript?
02:26 < perlDreamer> bad advertising
02:26 < perlmonkey2> I bet that happened when YUI was added to the source.
02:27 < perlmonkey2> I don't know how colin is?
02:27 < perlmonkey2> On that list I only know Doug and jt.
02:27 < perlmonkey2> well, I don't *know* them :P
02:28 < perlDreamer> He writes most of the tests, did a lot of documentation and Help files before they were moved into the wiki.
02:28 < perlDreamer> Fixes some bugs and implements RFEs
02:30 <@rizen> colin is the true force behind webgui
02:31 <@rizen> without him i couldn't do anything in webgui anymore
02:31 < perlDreamer> Maybe you should hire him to be your dev
02:31 < perlDreamer> The problem is, he doesn't do javascript
02:31 <@rizen> if i could afford him, i'd hire him in a heartbeat
02:32 < perlDreamer> Rotten, overpaid Northwest chip hacker
02:32 < perlmonkey2> hah
02:33 < perlmonkey2> he's a EE and also a major contrib to WebGUI?  Odd mix.
02:36 <@rizen> he's currently our best contributor
02:37 <@rizen> in fact, i'd venture to say that if you added up all the contributions of all other contributors each  year
02:37 <@rizen> they wouldn't likely equal that of his
02:37 < perlmonkey2> wow
02:37 < perlmonkey2> and he does it just for fun?
02:37 <@rizen> yup
02:38 <@rizen> because he's the best ever
02:38 < perlmonkey2> that . is . awesome .
02:39 <@rizen> pm2 you need to get that survey system updated so that we have a real competitor for colin
02:40 <@rizen> i wish i could figure out how we got colin so we could get 10 more of him
02:48 < CIA-40> WebGUI: colin * r5112 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Asset.t: add support for writing URL extension tests later
02:50 < perlDreamer> 'night guys
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05:14 < perlmonkey2> :)
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12:18 < CIA-40> WebGUI: graham * r5114 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.4.18 release
12:33 < CIA-40> WebGUI: jt * r5115 /releases/WebGUI_7.4.18-stable: Release 7.4.18-stable
12:48 < CIA-40> WebGUI: graham * r5116 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (3 files in 3 dirs): preparing for 7.4.19 dev
12:48 < CIA-40> WebGUI: graham * r5117 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/docs/previousVersion.sql: missed a file
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16:03 < SDuensin> Greetings.
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16:08 < wgGuest54> who can help me about installing webgui?
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16:13 < AMH_bob> wgGuest54 lasted a good 410 seconds...
16:15 < AMH_bob> eh, 108 secs
16:15 < ckotil> !!! think i just got my custom search going.
16:18 < CIA-41> WebGUI: xdanger * r5119 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Form/ (CheckList.pm RadioList.pm): Labels for Check and Radio Lists
16:28 < ckotil> yup.
16:36 < ckotil> made the search asset my bi0tchs.
16:36 < ckotil> -s
17:07 < ckotil> hrm. whats the webgui way to retrieve form variables? custom form I have in my template. they happen to be radio buttons.
17:10 <@rizen> AMH_bob...people are very fickle
17:10 <@rizen> if you don't help them in 3 seconds, even if they are getting the help for free, then you're wasting their time
17:11 <@rizen> ckotil: would you like to do it directly in the template, or do you have code backing it up?
17:13 < ckotil> im going to be  mucking with WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Search anway. so either way would work i guess
17:13 < ckotil> i have added a new search rule type
17:13 < ckotil> so im gonna pass the value of this radio button group to the new rule.
17:14 <@rizen> ok then
17:14 <@rizen> code is always best
17:14 <@rizen> so to do that you use the session variable
17:14 <@rizen> $session->form->get("var");
17:14 < ckotil> oh nice.
17:14 <@rizen> if you want to process it against the form type
17:14 < ckotil> easy as that?
17:14 <@rizen> you can do
17:15 <@rizen> $session->form->process("var","RadioList");
17:15 <@rizen> and you can even give it further validation stuff
17:15 <@rizen> the method looks like
17:15 < ckotil> ok cool. i dont think i need to do any processing tho
17:16 <@rizen> process ( name, type [ , default, params ] )
17:16 < ckotil> :)   *froooom*
17:16  * ckotil 's head.
17:16 <@rizen> over your head?
17:16 < ckotil> yah.
17:16 <@rizen> ok sorry
17:16 < ckotil> np
17:16 <@rizen> was just trying to give you all the info you might need
17:16 < ckotil> $session->form->get should be good.
17:17 < ckotil> i appreciate it.
17:17 < ckotil> Thanks rizen 
17:17 <@rizen> np
17:17 < ckotil> Im working on a new documentation system
17:17 < ckotil> that is in the same structure as our website.
17:18 < ckotil> ive implemented custom views/color scheme to differnetiate between assets
17:18 < ckotil> im finalizing the search part of it.
17:20 < ckotil> looking at WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Search. i should have known how to retrieve my form variable.
17:21 < ckotil> theres a perfect example for keywords. i just assumed keywords was a tmpl_var and was differnet than what iw as trying to do.
17:30 < ckotil> :) works like a charm.
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19:29 <@preaction> ha, I did good! I fixed a bug AND i wrote a test about the bug!
19:29 <@preaction> wooooooo hoooooo!
19:34  * apeiron gives preaction a cookie.
19:35 <@preaction> how many bugfixes + tests did YOU write today?
19:35 <@preaction> :p
19:36 <@rizen> perlDreamer, i have a question for you
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19:36 <@rizen> do you think things like Devel::Cover and Perl::Critic should be included in the main WRE, or only in the WDK version since they are only used by devs?
19:36 <@rizen> actually, anyone could chime in on this
19:37 <+MrHairgrease> does it make a difference?
19:37 <@preaction> depends on if PC will ever be used to facilitate user tests (as opposed to author tests)
19:37 <@rizen> $bugs - 3;
19:37 <@preaction> Devel::Cover, on the other hand, has little use to a user
19:37 < perlDreamer> exactly
19:37 < perlDreamer> WDK for author tests
19:38 <@rizen> ok then
19:38 <@rizen> fair enough
19:38 < perlDreamer> If anyone wanted to upgrade their WRE from user to dev, is it easy enough to do?
19:39 <@rizen> yeah
19:39 <@rizen> just copy the WDK over the WRE
19:39 <@rizen> and you're done
19:40 < perlDreamer> Since Perl::Critic has a TON of dependencies, then definitely they want to be separate
19:40 <@rizen> yeah, i figure it will save the WRE about 10-15 mb in size
19:41 <@rizen> by keeping it seperate
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19:45 <@preaction> perlDreamer, were you able to reproduce Tiffany's adspace bug? http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/advertising-center-not-tracking-clicks#pG-zVzhjicTzhxo_nBLPtA
19:46 < perlDreamer> No, but I haven't tried since the WUC.
19:46 < perlDreamer> It needs to be reverified
19:46 < perlDreamer> Also, could someone please run the failing t/Storage/Image.t on PB's server for me?
19:46 < perlDreamer> knowmad tried it on his WRE and it passed with no problems.
19:47 <@rizen> i'll run it now
19:47 < perlDreamer> thanks
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19:54 <@rizen> oh crap, sorry i forgot to paste this: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d79e7d40b
19:57 < perlDreamer> rizen, prove is eating all the debug output.  Could you please rerun it with prove -v and repaste?
19:57 <@rizen> yup
19:58 <@rizen> http://webgui.pastebin.com/m6445908
19:58 <@rizen> there you go
19:58 <@rizen> gotta go
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20:04 < perlDreamer> the test is crashing when it tries to run resize
20:04 < perlDreamer> must be (Graphics|Image)::Magick related
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20:47 < ckotil> Site indexing took 156.578034 seconds.
20:48 < CIA-41> WebGUI: doug * r5120 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 2 dirs): fix: Import Package does nothing when re-importing trashed package
20:48 < CIA-41> WebGUI: doug * r5121 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (3 files in 2 dirs): backport 5220
20:48 < CIA-41> WebGUI: graham * r5122 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/AssetTrash.pm): fix select all checkbox in trash in IE and with a single item
20:48 < CIA-41> WebGUI: graham * r5123 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/lib/WebGUI/AssetTrash.pm: additional fix to trash select all
20:48 < CIA-41> WebGUI: doug * r5124 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 3 dirs): fix: CS posts get re-ordered when copy/paste
20:48 < CIA-41> WebGUI: doug * r5125 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (4 files in 3 dirs): backport 5124
20:48 < CIA-41> WebGUI: jt * r5126 /wrebuild/ (5 files in 4 dirs): 
20:48 < CIA-41> WebGUI: - fix: workflow monitor messages too long
20:48 < CIA-41> WebGUI: - fix: workflow monitor subject non-standard
20:48 < CIA-41> WebGUI: - fix: mac launchd script for WRE
20:48 < CIA-41> WebGUI: - Added the following Perl Modules for the WDK version of the WRE:
20:49 < CIA-41> WebGUI:  Devel-Cover-0.63
20:49 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r5127 /WebGUI/t/Storage/Image.t: skipping wrong number of tests
20:49 < CIA-41> WebGUI: colin * r5128 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/t/Storage/Image.t: backporting correct number of skip tests
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21:11 < perlDreamer> stupid bot was constipated
21:11 < perlDreamer> must need some pepto-botsmal
21:12 < perlDreamer> off to gym
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21:48 < CIA-41> WebGUI: doug * r5129 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.pm): fix: Matrix best/worst now must have 10 or more votes
21:48 < CIA-41> WebGUI: doug * r5130 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.pm): backport 5129
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22:33 < CIA-41> WebGUI: doug * r5132 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (3 files in 3 dirs): backport 5130
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00:27 < perlDreamer> nice bug fixin', dude
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00:45 < wgGuest05> hello
00:46 < perlDreamer> ask away, wgGuest05
00:46 < perlDreamer> but be patient, sometimes answers are slow in coming
00:48 < wgGuest05> i have a site and i have four differents design home pages, I want to rotate the four home pages in my site
00:49 < wgGuest05> when a user will be connected to my site can see a different home
00:49 < perlDreamer> so you have four home pages for visitors, but only one for users?
00:50 < wgGuest05> all are for visitor
00:50 < perlDreamer> what do logged in users see?
00:51 < wgGuest05> for visitor and users too
00:51 < perlDreamer> In that case, it's relatively easy.
00:51 < perlDreamer> I can tell you how to do this, but in return, I'd like you to write up an article for the wiki.
00:51 < perlDreamer> Deal?
00:52 < wgGuest05> ok
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00:52 < perlDreamer> give me 10 minutes to check a few things, then I'll be back with an answer
00:53 < wgGuest05> ok
00:56 < perlDreamer> First off, you'll need to create another page on your site, called homeFolder, for example
00:56 < perlDreamer> Beneath that page, you're going to build your four different pages
00:57 < perlDreamer> note that you should put login macros and all other wG support macros (AdminBar, etc) on EVERY page.
00:57 < perlDreamer> Next, you're going to change the default page of your site, called /home for example.
00:58 < perlDreamer> It will use a COMPLETELY empty template, with one exception, a RandomAssetProxy macro
00:58 < perlDreamer> The only thing in that template should be the ^RandomAssetProxy macro
00:58 < perlDreamer> you'll tell that macro to randomly pick things below the homeFolder page, like this
00:58 < perlDreamer> ^RandomAssetProxy(/homeFolder);
00:59 < perlDreamer> When WebGUI tries to serve up your home page, it will execute that macro and pick one of the four pages below homeFolder.
00:59 < perlDreamer> Now, I haven't demo'ed this, so there may be some missing fine details.
00:59 < perlDreamer> Did you follow all that, or have you any questions?
01:01 < wgGuest05> it is clear
01:02 < wgGuest05> the article in the wiki is about it
01:02 < wgGuest05> ?
01:02 < perlDreamer> Please.  Along with any implementation details or suggestions that you might have for someone else trying to do the same thing.
01:03 < perlDreamer> You could probably also drop a link to your site, so it can be seen in action.
01:03 < wgGuest05> ok
01:03 < wgGuest05> thanks a lot
01:04 < perlDreamer> You're welcome.  If you have problems, please post back here with more questions.
01:04 < perlDreamer> I'll be on for another hour or two.
01:04 < perlDreamer> Or, the forums might be a good place, too.
01:04 < perlDreamer> Not all the wG community hangs out on IRC
01:05 < wgGuest05> ok
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15:33 < SDuensin> FrIdAy!
15:41 < ckotil> YAY!
15:41 < ckotil> leaving for the rocky mountains in t minus 2 hours
15:41 < ckotil> gonna spend a week skiing my ass off
15:41 < ckotil> hitting vail tomorrow morning.
15:41 <+MrHairgrease> cool
15:41 <+MrHairgrease> I'm going to switzerland for two weeks
15:42 <+MrHairgrease> but I still hav to wait for about 10 days or so
15:45 < ckotil> sweet.
15:45 < ckotil> Thats on my todo list.
15:45 < ckotil> so's whistler
15:45 < ckotil> but right now Im only able to do trips that arent insanely expensive
15:45 < ckotil> driving out. staying with friends.. etc..
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15:51 < nuba> watch out, drinking and driving can be expensive too ;)
15:51 < nuba> friday is just a preamble to yet another sunday
15:52 <+MrHairgrease> it depends on your location i guess
15:52 <+MrHairgrease> for me going skiing in the us would be too expensive =)
15:52 < nuba> heh
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19:54 < perlmonkey2> for WebGUI's current ajax stuff, how does it authenticate calls?
19:54 < perlmonkey2> is there a WebGUI auth cookie?
19:56 < perlmonkey2> wgSession.....
20:05 < perlmonkey2> hmm....looks like webgui does authentication magically for me
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20:48 < wgGuest76> hello
20:52 < perlmonkey2> hello
20:52 < perlmonkey2> What's up wgGuest76
20:54 < wgGuest76> wait a moment
20:56 < perlmonkey2> wgGuest76: What am I waiting for :P
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20:58 < perlmonkey2> Anyone here familiar with YUI's treeview.  I'm looking for a way to overload the event handler.
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21:08 < wgGuest29> hello
21:10 < wgGuest29> Anyone knows if webgui has a module to perform management documentary?
21:13 < wgGuest29> ??
21:13 <@rizen> i don't know what you're asking
21:14 <@rizen> are you talking about "Document Management"
21:14 < wgGuest29> yes
21:14 < wgGuest29> DMS
21:14 < nuba> guess "management documentary" would be something like dilbert?
21:16 <@rizen> webgui can store documents, but currently you have to upload them through the web interface
21:16 < wgGuest29> i don't know
21:16 <@rizen> there is not currently a filesystem mount or a webdav interface
21:16 <@rizen> the documents uploaded are versioned, and have privileges, and metadata
21:16 <@rizen> so from that point of view, webgui is a dms
21:16 <@rizen> but from the file access point of view, it is not
21:18 < wgGuest29> Or so, I in webgui I explore my documents, change folder, rather as if I had a hard disc vitual
21:20 <@rizen> yes
21:21 < wgGuest29> how to?
21:23 <@rizen> there are lots of books that you can get to tell you how
21:23 <@rizen> https://www.plainblack.com/store/services/books2
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21:31 < wgGuest29> But, we need to develop an interface or simply configure anything in the webgui?
21:42 < wgGuest29> But, we need to develop an interface or simply configure anything in the webgui?
21:42 <@rizen> it's already built in
21:42 <@rizen> you just need to install webgui and upload your files
21:43 < wgGuest29> thanks
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22:11 < perlmonkey2> the 8.1 wre doesn't seem to containt /data/wre/prereqs/mysql yet the instructions have me changing that dir to mysql owned.
22:12 <@rizen> they do? the instructions that come with the wre?
22:12 <@rizen> cuz you don't need to do that
22:12 <@rizen> that folder existed in the old 0.7 series
22:13 < perlmonkey2> I'm looking at the online setup instructions :)
22:13 < perlmonkey2> http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/wre-installation
22:13 <@rizen> ah, it says right at the top that that's for 0.7.2
22:14 < perlmonkey2> okay...I'm having success with the included install.txt
22:21 < perlmonkey2> Couldn't connect to MySQL because Undefined subroutine &DBD::mysql::db::_login called at /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/i686-linux/DBD/mysql.pm line 142. at ./wreconsole.pl line 1212   
22:21 < perlmonkey2> I'm guessing that is because I'm running the RH5 binary on Fedora 8
22:21 < perlmonkey2> although I'm not sure why it would matter.
22:22 <@rizen> i've never tested running on fedora
22:22 <@rizen> but it may not be binarily compatible with rhel
22:23 <@rizen> on any of the os's we support, it works without hiccups in all cases
22:23 <@rizen> so that's probably your problem
22:23 < perlmonkey2> oh well....the production machine is centos5 so I'm sure it will work there.
22:23 <@rizen> you could download the source version and compile it
22:24 <@rizen> it compiles in about an hour on most modern systems
22:24 < perlmonkey2> this machine is Via C7...it will probably take days :P
22:24 < perlmonkey2> C7 clocked at 1Ghz
22:27 < perlmonkey2> downloading teh WRE source on my faster machine.
22:27 < perlmonkey2> Hacking my way through the Javascript survey creation page now.....so much YUI to learn.
22:29 < perlmonkey2> bah, my fast machine is 64 bit and my target test machine is x586.....guess I should cancel the download.
22:37 < SDuensin> Hey gang - quick question:  Can you set security on pages/assets based on a user's stated age?
22:38 <@rizen> yes
22:38 < SDuensin> Gonna tell me how?
22:38 < perlmonkey2> SDuensin: Just what kind of site are you setting up?
22:38 < perlmonkey2> WebGUI making inroads into the adult entertainment industry?
22:38 <@rizen> i don't know if i should SD
22:38 < perlmonkey2> hah
22:38 <@rizen> it's a little early for a xmas present
22:39 < SDuensin> No, but if we put a section up about home brewing, people should be 21.
22:39 <@rizen> do you want to do it so they only ever need to click on the "I agree I'm 21." link once
22:39 <@rizen> or once for every session
22:39 <@rizen> just in case a kid use's a dad's computer
22:40 < SDuensin> Good question.  I have no idea.
22:40 <@rizen> make a decision
22:40 <@rizen> both are possible
22:40 <@rizen> and both are pretty easy
22:40 < SDuensin> Well, is it group-based?  If I just put up a gateway page, they can deep-link around it.
22:41 <@rizen> both are group based
22:41 <@rizen> so deep linking won't work
22:41 < SDuensin> Let's do one-shot and it remembers.
22:41 <@rizen> i wouldn't lead you astray
22:41 < SDuensin> (Otherwise it'll drive me nuts.)
22:41 < SDuensin> :-)
22:41 <@rizen> the one shot thing requires that the user have an account and that they're logged in
22:41 <@rizen> is that ok?
22:42 < SDuensin> Yes.
22:42 <@rizen> then i implore you to check out the GroupAdd macro
22:42 <@rizen> the wiki will tell you how to use it
22:42 <@rizen> and it will solve all your problems
22:42 < SDuensin> DUH!  Thanks bud.  :-)
22:52 < SDuensin> Is the "If" macro disabled by default for a good reason I should fear?
22:52 <@rizen> it's not disabled
22:52 <@rizen> it's deleted
22:53 < SDuensin> ?
22:53 <@rizen> it was a dangerous pile of unsupportable crap
22:53 < SDuensin> hehehe
22:53 <@rizen> so i got rid of it in favor of more powerful templates
22:53 <@rizen> you can use complex if's in HTML::Template::Expr or Template Toolkit
22:54 < SDuensin> Can you test for "not" groups?  Like say, let a user in to this page if they DON'T have a group?
22:55 <@rizen> no
22:55 <@rizen> i'd like to add that at some point though
22:55 < SDuensin> It's handy.
22:55 <@rizen> then registered users could be everyone that's not a visitor
22:56 < SDuensin> I think I just found a bug on the wiki...
22:56 < SDuensin> I searched for "If Macro" and then hit "Next Page" through all four pages...
22:57 < SDuensin> Then I searched for "Group" and hit "Next Page" to get to page 2 of 2...
22:57 < SDuensin> When I get to the next page, it's back to searching for "If Macro" and shows four pages again.
22:57 <@rizen> why are you telling me about it instead of telling the bug list about it?
22:57 < SDuensin> I'm in Safari on my Mac, so I don't rule out the browser being the issue.  :-)
22:58 < SDuensin> Because I wanted to see if it really was a bug or if it's my dumb browser.
22:58 <@rizen> i use safari every day
22:58 <@rizen> for the past 4 months
22:59 <@rizen> though i use safari 3, not 2
22:59 < SDuensin> I started using it when I put Leopard on this box.  Dunno if I like Safari yet or not.
22:59 <@rizen> regardless it should work fine for any browser
22:59 < SDuensin> Reporting it.
23:06 < perlmonkey2> hmm, I don't like the YUI treeview....but not sure of another way to do the survey display.
23:06 <@rizen> you could dev something from scratch
23:06 <@rizen> but that's a lot of time
23:08 < perlmonkey2> I think I just figured out how to use drag and drop with a treeview.
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23:09 <@rizen> perlmonkey2 you need to become a yui expert so we can hire you either for special projects, contracts, or full time
23:11 < perlmonkey2> you have no idea how good that sounds.  I really like my current job, but they ask me to do things that really require a PhD in linguistics, computer science, and general badarsery, so I read a lot of text books and work  alot of weekends.  WebGUI is just plain fun in comparison.
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23:19 <@rizen> we're always looking for good contractors
23:19 <@rizen> ask khenn
23:19 <@rizen> he hires them all the time
23:20 <@rizen> and our contractors are who we look at first when making full time hires
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23:21 <@rizen> or khenn could just leave the chatroom
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23:35 < perlmonkey2> hah
23:36 < perlmonkey2> let's wait until I get the survey done to show my chops :P
23:39 < SDuensin> Hey cool...  I'm over here researching speech recognition technologies and ran across www.voxforge.org.  After poking around on it for a bit, some things started to look familiar...  It's WebGUI!
23:41 < perlmonkey2> hah, that is cool
23:43 <@rizen> sweet
23:45 < perlmonkey2> Although they could use some PlainBlack website design consultation.
23:46 < SDuensin> :-P
23:47 <@rizen> still i just like to see other open source projects using webgui
23:48 <@rizen> k3b is the biggest open source project besides webgui using webgui
23:48 <@rizen> k3b.org
23:49 < SDuensin> Didn't realize they used it.  Very cool.
23:50 < SDuensin> Hmm - the links going to k3b.plainblack.com should have been a clue.
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23:53 < elnino> hi!  How do I deny a versiontag and make it show up in the admin menu under version tags for them to continue workin gon it?  Is this possible?
23:54 < SDuensin> Time to head home.  Later all!
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23:54 <@rizen> elnino if the version tag has already been committed then it's too late
23:54 <@rizen> but if you just want to set up the process
23:54 <@rizen> select "commit with approval" in your settings under content
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23:55 <@rizen> from then on all version tags will have to be approved by you
23:55 <@rizen> and if you deny them, the go back to being in the version tags menu
23:56 <@rizen> if you need further assistance, purchase a copy of the Content Managers Guide available from webguistore.com
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23:58 < elnino> right. thank you for the quick response.  It was committed, and I denyied it, but it didn't show up under "version tags" in the admin menu. Are you saying it should have?
23:59 <@rizen> yes it should have if you denied it
23:59 < elnino> dang. it did. my bad. It must take a couple minutes to show up.  Sorry.  Thanks!
23:59 < elnino> So this is good. Thank you.
23:59 <@rizen> you're welcome
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00:00 < elnino> bye. and dare I say, "merry christmas" to all!
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00:16 <@rizen> big suprise
00:16 <@rizen> huge
00:16 <@rizen> people are going to flip
00:16 <@rizen> CIA-40 will tell you all about it
00:30 <@rizen> or not
00:30 <@rizen> because CIA-40 sucks ass
00:49 < nuba> perlDreamer> stupid bot was constipated
00:49 < nuba> perlDreamer> must need some pepto-botsmal
00:51 <@rizen> nuba, do you run CIA-40? or is that someone else?
00:53 < nuba> not me
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06:17 < elnino> hi. my understnading is the international language support in webgui pertains to the gui part of webgui. I'm wondering if there is a way to utilize the same system/setup to support the translation of menu items on our site (page titles)? As far as page content, we'll just create the pages.
06:18 <@preaction> yes. Use the International macro and make your own i18n namespace (lib/WebGUI/i18n/<language>/<namespace>.pm)
06:20 < elnino> ok. I'll look into that. The help file shows the example: ^International(45 "article")  what is 45?
06:20 < elnino> I take it that "article" would be the page title in my case.
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07:03 < elnino> Hi preaction. thanks for the quick help. I was wondering what the parameters are for the International macro. the example shows: International(45, "article") but doesn't describe them. I'm assuming "article" is the text you want translated. But I don't know what 45 is.  Is that the namespace? Thanks!
07:04 <@preaction> i don't know, use the source. 45 is probably the i18n lookup. no clue what articles is
07:04 < elnino> ok. Thanks.
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18:33 < wgGuest47> hello
18:34 < wgGuest47> we need to develop a new module for one of our sites.
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22:52 < wgGuest68> hello
22:52 < wgGuest68> i have some questions
22:52 < wgGuest68> can you help me
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23:36 < kr_one> hello
23:37 < kr_one> is there a version of webgui for win32-systems?
23:41 < kr_one> anyone?
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23:58 < perlmonkey2> So many people who need support, so few people willing to pay for support.
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06:34 <@preaction> or even willing to wait a few hours
06:34 <@preaction> but the transient traffic is a good sign, as well as the increased activity in the Install / Upgrade board. it means the message is getting out
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05:18 < wgGuest60> hi
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05:18 < neoxsaibot> hi
05:18 < neoxsaibot> i can integrate webgui with hi5, myspace, blogs etc.. ?
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10:48 < patspam> hmm i have a low-load wG server that initially runs fast and slowly degrades (2-3hrs), goes back to fast when modperl is restarted
10:50 <@preaction> impossible to diagnose without being on the box, but things to check: swapping, Apache2::SizeLimit settings
10:50 < patspam> thanks preaciton, I'll start with those
10:51 < patspam> `top` shows memory free and no cpu thrashing so I was quite stumped
10:53 <@preaction> just because memory is free doesn't mean memory isn't swapped out
10:55 < patspam> yeah true
12:10 < patspam> ok, I lowered Apache2::SizeLimit to 50mb (from default 100mb) and now i see lots of "Apache2::SizeLimit httpd process too big, exiting at SIZE=70768 KB" in the modperl log
12:11 < patspam> and under a web stress-test the server doesn't slow down/lock up as before
12:14 < patspam> not sure if this is an ideal situation but many thanks preaction for the help
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16:07 <@preaction> anyone here ever written any WebGUI help files for modules before?
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16:11 < SDuensin> Greetings.
16:13 <@preaction> morning
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16:16 < wgGuest14> hello
16:18 <@preaction> morning
16:19 < wgGuest14> more than a question i need and advice
16:20 < wgGuest14> i need to develop an aplication and i want to integrate with my webgui's site
16:21 < wgGuest14> my site is about high schools
16:24 <@preaction> if you ask specific questions, we can try to answer them, but please don't expect hand-holding. if it's hand-holding you want, then paid support would be more beneficial to you
16:24 < SDuensin> Yea.  preaction has no hands.
16:24 <@preaction> also, don't expect quick replies, we're busy people
16:25 < wgGuest14> and i want to create a system where the teachers can put the students grades and they parent can see the grades too
16:25 < wgGuest14> ok no problem
16:25 <@preaction> i'm directly wired into the computer, no time for hands
16:25 <@preaction> that sounds like a DataForm asset, or if more in-depth, the upcoming Thingy asset
16:26 < wgGuest14> but the information is private for each high school
16:26 < SDuensin> Thingy asset?  I love it - just based on the name, I gotta have it!
16:27 <@preaction> security could be done with Groups. set up a group for each high school (or even, for each teacher)
16:27 < wgGuest14> but the problem is if I have many high schools, i have to create many groups too
16:28 <+Radix_> so script it using the webgui api
16:29 < wgGuest14> one question:  with a sql form can i storage in several tables at the same time?
16:31 <@preaction> I'm not sure how SQLForm takes over the database. Martin (MrHairgrease) is the resident expert, but he's Dutch (so no idea what time it is over there)
16:31 < wgGuest14> ok
16:31 < wgGuest14> no problem
16:32 < wgGuest14> since your experience, how can i develop it?
16:32 < wgGuest14> we have several options
16:33 < wgGuest14> we are thinking in using sql form or develop a wobject
16:34 < wgGuest14> the sql form is a good help but we find some problems
16:35 < wgGuest14> how to filtrate the information for each high school using the same sqlform
16:36 <@preaction> i would probably end up using a DataForm / SQLForm, building a package, and deploying that package once for each high school. unless we're talking about hundreds or thousands of high schools. I'd need more information to make a real guess as to my procedure, and unfortunately I don't have the time to listen to a proposal (that's what my boss does)
16:36 <@preaction> if we're talking hundreds/thousands of high schools, I'd probably end up building my own application
16:37 < wgGuest14> ok
16:38 < wgGuest14> what is your opinion in to build a wobject?
16:38 < wgGuest14> is a good option?
16:39 <@preaction> uhm... what do you mean "option"?
16:40 < wgGuest14> to develop my application as a wobject
16:42 <@preaction> again, i don't know the parameters of the project. you're going to have to make your own decisions, but if you find yourself butting up against limitations of the existing assets, then you're going to have to make your own application
16:42 < wgGuest14> ok
16:43 < wgGuest14> thanks for your help
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18:54 < perlmonkey2> stupid question that I'm 99% sure I know the answer to, but macros can be added via the webgui web interface and do not require command line access?
18:55 <@rizen> you mean new macro code?
18:55 < perlmonkey2> yes
18:55 <@rizen> you cannot add new macro code to the server without command line access
18:56 <@rizen> allowing new code to be uploaded to the server opens the server to all sorts of malicious attack
18:56 <@rizen> therefore it's not allowed
18:56 < perlmonkey2> I suck.....I just talked a client into going with your hosting and they need a custom macro.
18:57 <@rizen> is it something you could do without a macro..perhaps using Template Toolkit?
18:58 <@rizen> we do allow HTML::Template::Expr and Template Toolkit templates on our servers
18:58 < perlmonkey2> They put video podcasts on a site and want a webgui page to track that.
18:58 < perlmonkey2> duh
18:58 < perlmonkey2> webgui can do that.
18:58 < perlmonkey2> I double suck.
18:59 < perlmonkey2> anyways, the survey is making progress....I'm glad you talked me into the drag and drop because that is actually going to take less code than other methods I'd thought about.
19:01 < perlmonkey2> For the survey creation page, two columns on the left, A and B, and a box on the right.  Column A has the questions, column B is populated with answers from whichever questoin was last clicked on in column A.
19:01 < perlmonkey2> Also, the details for the last clicked item are displayed in the right box.
19:01 <@rizen> nice
19:01 < perlmonkey2> Questions are dragged to other questions to reorded.
19:01 < perlmonkey2> same with answers
19:01 <@rizen> it sounds like it's going to be super schweet
19:01 < perlmonkey2> and answers are dragged onto questions to fork the survey.
19:02 < perlmonkey2> hah, I hope.
19:02 < perlmonkey2> its fun to work on even if it ends up sucking.
19:02 <@rizen> it won't suck
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23:25 < perlDreamer> Okay, who is going to give me their mom's pannenkoeken recipe?
23:25  * MrHairgrease always makes according to the recipe on the back of the pannenkoeken flour package
23:25 <+MrHairgrease> and so does my mom =)
23:26 <+MrHairgrease> http://home.wish.net/~sparhawk/cuisine.htm#parthh
23:28 <+MrHairgrease> http://www.hungrybrowser.com/phaedrus/m0117M05.htm#3
23:29 <+MrHairgrease> and while you're at it, you can make me some
23:30 < perlDreamer> Do they ship well?
23:30 < perlDreamer> What do you want on them?
23:30 <+MrHairgrease> powder sugar
23:31 <+MrHairgrease> dunno how shipping resistant they are though
23:31 <+MrHairgrease> I've neer shipped pannenkoeken
23:31 <+MrHairgrease> never*
23:31 <@preaction> pure maple syrup > powder sugar
23:32 < perlDreamer> MrHairgrease, you can PM me your shipping address and we'll give it a shot next week.
23:32 <+MrHairgrease> heh
23:32 < perlDreamer> Perl is 20 years old today.
23:32 <+MrHairgrease> send em to procolix
23:33 < perlDreamer> You must really trust Koen :)
23:33 <+MrHairgrease> i trust him now and then
23:34 <+MrHairgrease> but I'm realy curious to see his face when he opens an parcel containing american made pannekoeken
23:36 < perlDreamer> well, we've reproduced the pumpkin soup recipe from Bart, so I have high hopes for the pannekoeken
23:36 < perlDreamer> is there any other secret Dutch knowledge that you'd like to share with the US?
23:37 <+MrHairgrease> you mean why we look hotter?
23:37 <+MrHairgrease> I think that's the genes
23:37 <+MrHairgrease> =)
23:38 < perlDreamer> Gotcha, we'll have to import a batch of genes over this way to add to the gene pool.
23:38 <+MrHairgrease> you don't have to import genes
23:38 <+MrHairgrease> i can send you some spit to clone
23:39 <+MrHairgrease> ask those csi guys how to do that
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00:16 < perlDreamer> maybe I'll stick with the secret Dutch culinary knowledge
00:17 <@preaction> to merge, or not to merge. that is the question...
00:17 < perlDreamer> You have the urge to merge
00:38 <@preaction> lucky me gets to merge twice: once with 7.4 branch for a client, and once with HEAD
00:39 <@preaction> and i have no idea what the heck svn is doing right now, but i told it to merge so we'll see what happens...
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15:53 < SDuensin> Morning.
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16:01 < AMH_bob> Afternoon!
16:02 <@preaction> Morning!
16:04 < SDuensin> Are we having fun yet?
16:04 <@preaction> i just merged the new Gallery asset into SVN. now that I finally get to play around in the trunk again, i'm really excited about the new 7.5 features
16:04 <@preaction> especially the URL and Content handlers
16:04 <@preaction> so yeah, I'm having fun
16:05 < SDuensin> I'm excited about 7.5, too.  WebGUI ROCKS!
16:07 <@preaction> and i can't wait for the Thingy, seriously will be awesome
16:08 <+Radix_> what's the eta for 7.5?
16:10 <@preaction> couldn't tell you. we haven't even decided when our feature freeze date is
16:11 <@preaction> we're moving to a 6-month release cycle, but i forget if we're starting this Jan/Feb or more towards May
16:11 <@preaction> i remember we were trying to synchronize with the WUC
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16:20 <+Radix_> fair enough
16:21 <@preaction> i believe we've got the Thingy and the re-done Survey asset upcoming yet before we're through with features for 7.5
16:21 <@preaction> hopefully over the xmas break i can finish up the tests for the AssetReport asset, so we'll have that
16:22 <@preaction> plus I want to take some time out for researching JT's idea about re-doing the WebGUI::Search interface to make it pluggable, that would be quite awesome
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16:35 < wgGuest37> hello
16:35 < wgGuest37> i have a question
16:36 < BartJol> shoot
16:37 < wgGuest37> how can i change the size of a calendar?
16:38 < BartJol> as in the numer of days?
16:38 < BartJol> or the surface on your screen
16:38 < BartJol> ?
16:38 < BartJol> number
16:38 < wgGuest37> i want to put a calendar in my home page and the space is more or less 180 pixels
16:38 < wgGuest37> the surface on my screen
16:39 <@preaction> you'll have to edit the template
16:39 < BartJol> indeed
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16:39 <@preaction> check webgui.org contributions area, there might be one already (but I know there's one for the old EventsCalendar, so watch out)
16:40 <@preaction> if not, i know people are interested in a little mini-calendar, so if you do make yours, you may want to post it to the contribs section yourself
16:42 < wgGuest37> if I modify the template I can change the name of the months
16:43 <@preaction> no, the name of the months comes from the current user's locale settings
16:43 <@preaction> you can use smaller names, the short name of the month, sure
16:43 <@preaction> look in the help files for the calendar template variables
16:44 < BartJol> http://www.plainblack.com/web_design_templates_and_themes/small-calendar/3
16:44 < BartJol> that's the link to the discussion on small calndars
16:44 < BartJol> excuse my typing
16:44 < wgGuest37> no problem
16:45 < wgGuest37> I am going to check
16:46 < BartJol> success
16:48 < wgGuest37> if i have a external database and i want to have in session one field of it, how can i do it?
16:48 < wgGuest37> it is posible?
16:49 <@preaction> what's "in session"?
16:50 < wgGuest37> for example when a users log in to my site, in session I can recover easily his username and other information
16:51 < wgGuest37> how can i put in session another information of the  users that i have in an external database
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16:51 < BartJol> probably an sql report
16:51 <@preaction> you might make a macro to do it, or if you want to go all-out, you might make an Auth plugin to do it
16:54 < wgGuest37> the process will be, the user log in to my site, then with his username and the macro i will obtain the other value that i need and finally i will put it in session
17:00 < wgGuest37> can i create a hidden field in a sql form that stoores a session value?
17:00 < BartJol> sorr, can't help you on that one
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18:29 < perlmonkey2> When writing my custom JS, is there a namespace I should be using?  WEBGUI.survey.myobjects?
18:31 < perlmonkey2> Looking through WebGUI's js, it looks like code is just in the global namespace.  Should I just follow that?
18:33 <@rizen> you should put it into your own namespace
18:33 <@rizen> but you don't have to use hierarchy
18:33 <@rizen> you can just create an object called WebGUISurvey if you want
18:34 < perlmonkey2> cool, I like that.  Good trade off between efficiency and organization :)
18:34 <@rizen> i'm really flexible about namespace, i just don't want to see any subroutines out global because they can interfere with other stuff
18:34 <@rizen> they must be all contained in an object
18:35 < perlmonkey2> Dig it.....and this is turning out to be a lot of fun.  I had forgotten how much you can do with JS in a little amount of code.
18:47 <@preaction> eh, i was hoping to get some standardization to WebGUIs JS under yui-webgui
18:47 <@preaction> with WebGUI.Form.blah etc....
18:48 <@rizen> it can still go in the folder
18:48 <@rizen> but that doesn't mean it needs namespacing
18:48 <@rizen> even yahoo has stepped back on their hardcore namespacing
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18:52 <@preaction> eh, it's not ultra important, as long as everything's well-documented
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19:55 < teflond0n> is there a way to find out what webgui template files have been modified?
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20:03 <@preaction> teflond0n, webgui templates are assets, and so have revisions. you can check their revision dates to see when they were modified (you might want to make an SQLReport to do so)
20:05 < teflond0n> as a beginner to webgui I made the mistake as I was doing my first site layout of editing some of the templates instead of making copys and renaming them
20:05 < teflond0n> would it be to late to go ahead and do so now - so that if there was an upgrade it wouldnt overwrite all my stuff
20:10 <@preaction> go ahead and make a copy and as long as you use your copy you'll be fine
20:10 <@preaction> the original will be overwritten, but your copy will remain
20:11 < teflond0n> thanks for your help preaction
20:12 < teflond0n> one final question - this one may be a little rough -  whats the easiest way to go about setting up a SQLReport
20:13 <@preaction> uh... clicking on SQLReport in the New Content pane of the Admin accordian?
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20:22 <@preaction> perlDreamer, i've merged the photogallery branch and will delete it presently. anything you were waiting for has now happened. may death come swiftly to your enemies
20:30 < perlDreamer> What in the world is a sequel to "The Hobbit"?
20:30 < teflond0n> Preaction - instead of making a copy can I just rename the one I edited?
20:30 < teflond0n> Lord of the Rings
20:30 < perlDreamer> I mean, really, what are these guys thinking?
20:30 < perlDreamer> http://www.thehobbitblog.com/
20:30 <@preaction> teflond0n, no, because it has the same assetId. you need to make a copy, rename that copy, and use that copy from now on
20:31 < teflond0n> k thx
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20:32 < teflond0n> I liked the movie - but I'm wierd like that
20:32 <@preaction> the sequal to the hobbit may or may not be the cut-out portion at the end of LotR when Frodo comes back to The Shire
20:33 < perlDreamer> That would be a sequel to LOTR, it's pretty specific about it being the Hobbit
20:33 <@preaction> perhaps more about Bilbo's adventure between The Hobbit and when we see him in LotR?
20:33 < perlDreamer> SynQ: Your reach is impressive.  The IT guys here just started using nagios
20:33 <@preaction> or maybe The Hobbit is being made into two movies, just to get it all in
20:34 < perlDreamer> Records show that coffee consumption is up 15% in just two days.
20:35 < perlDreamer> SynQ: Next I'd like you to start advocating this perl based CMS/web framework thingy I heard about
20:35 <@preaction> Zope?
20:35 < perlDreamer> Nah, isn't that written in Aapl?
20:36 <@preaction> huh...
20:36 <@preaction> i dunno, there's this really awesome one that i use called WebGUI
20:36 < perlDreamer> Really?
20:36 <@preaction> yeah, it pwns everything
20:37 < perlDreamer> How come I've never heard of it?
20:37 <@preaction> if everybody'd heard about it, then it wouldn't be awesome!
20:37 < perlDreamer> What does that say about politicians?
20:38 <@preaction> that Ron Paul will lose and Tor Coolguy is our best hope?
20:38 < perlDreamer> oh, and have you run a smoke test since the merge?
20:38 <@preaction> and i love when CPAN modules fail to install because they fail a pod coverage test
20:38 <@preaction> no, i haven't. but i can probably do so
20:39 < perlDreamer> preaction: I've only looked in one place, but your merge reset the copyright date in Macro/International.pm
20:40 < perlDreamer> ack -l 2006 lib/WebGUI says that ~10 other files are affected
20:40 < perlDreamer> dude!  It's nearly 2008!  Get with it ;)
20:41 <@preaction> i'd be less worried if the possibility for other problems wasn't there
20:42 < perlDreamer> You want me to start reading the patch as a double check?
20:42 <@preaction> if you want, i'm running the tests and coming up with some hits
20:42 <@preaction> they all seem related to the Gallery and my changes though
20:46 <@preaction> so i'll be fixing the tests I broke then...
20:47 <@preaction> though i will admit that some tests are broken because they're monolithic :p
20:49 <@preaction> what does it mean when Asset_diagnose fails a test?
20:54 < perlDreamer> It may mean that the asset tables don't have matching assetIds, or their collateral tables don't work right.
20:54 < perlDreamer> monolithic.  humph
20:54 <@preaction> and some tests are now obsolete. the File / Image asset now does proper inheritence
20:55 < perlDreamer> that's nice
20:57  * perlDreamer installs new modules
21:06 <@preaction> i'm getting problems with the Help tests about "not an ARRAY reference"
21:06 < perlDreamer> I'm getting  env WEBGUI_CONFIG=/data/WebGUI/etc/mywebgui.conf perl Asset/File/Image/Photo/editSave.t
21:06 < perlDreamer> Can't call method "get" on an undefined value at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/File/Image/Photo.pm line 262.
21:06 < perlDreamer> # Looks like your test died before it could output anything.
21:06 < perlDreamer> want to trade ;)
21:13 < perlDreamer> Help entry fixed in 5148
21:13 < perlDreamer> off to gym
22:10 < teflond0n> how do I change the "Home" page in webgui
22:12 <@preaction> Admin Console > Settings
22:14 <@preaction> is the person who creates an asset always set as the owner of the asset? or do I have to do it manually?
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22:28 < perlDreamer> preaction, I thought it defaulted to who I am
22:28 <@preaction> so did i, that's why i didn't do anything, but something weird is going on... it's saying the owner is Admin when i'm Plainblack...
22:29 <@preaction> i'm going to end up pulling another 16 hour day on this thing...
22:30 < perlDreamer> Let me finish up an email, and I'll see if I can help
22:30 < perlDreamer> It may be a bug
22:30 <@preaction> plus, i don't know why in my dev environment it autocommits but on this client site is unlocks the version tag... weirdness...
22:30 < perlDreamer> I was almost positive that it defaulted to "me".  But maybe it inherits from the parent?  Or maybe it's broken?
22:30 <@preaction> i'll bet even money that it's a problem with the site's custom code
22:30 < perlDreamer> Is it a custom asset?
22:30 <@preaction> because i even explicitly (now) set the ownerUserId (the Post asset does it, so i assumed I have to do it now)
22:31 < perlDreamer> ownerUserId should inherit from Asset.pm
22:31 <@preaction> nope, it's the Gallery
22:31 <@preaction> new GalleryAlbums should take on the ownerUserId of the person who created it, same with new photo assets
22:31 <@preaction> that's how permissions are handled
22:31 <@preaction> only the owner is allowed to edit, or someone who can edit the parent Gallery
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22:34 < perlDreamer> so Gallery works fine, but created GalleryAlbums have the wrong owner?
22:34 <@preaction> basically
22:34 < perlDreamer> nice use of __PACKAGE__
22:35 < perlDreamer> GalleryAlbum, line 101 should probably use ErrorHandler->fatal instead of croak
22:37 <@preaction> it may be called outside of the web interface, so would I still use the errorhandler? i mean, www_addArchive could use the error handler
22:37 < perlDreamer> I would.  fatal uses croak internally?
22:39 < perlDreamer> actually, it calls exit.
22:39 <@preaction> but it also calls "caller", so you do get a stack trace
22:39 <@preaction> still, i hate the whole logging out crap.
22:39 <@preaction> this is a more friendly error that should be trapped by the caller
22:40 <@preaction> it's not exactly fatal/evil/ugly/bad,bad,bad, but it will prevent you from mucking things up
22:40 < perlDreamer> I don't see any wonky code in GalleryAlbum in reading through it
22:40 < perlDreamer> It's good, clean OO code in wG style
22:41 <@preaction> humph... i think i screwed up all the permissions. which i would've noticed had i been able to fix the tests before i had to commit...
22:42 <@preaction> eh, it happens
22:42 < perlDreamer> I'm not following you
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22:42 <@preaction> i'm trying to reproduce on my dev box by using a non-admin user, but i keep getting permission denied errors, so i'm not checking the right permissions
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22:56 <@preaction> found it: i wasn't overriding canAdd to return true always
22:57 < perlDreamer> is that why the tests are failing, too?
22:58 <@preaction> no, the tests are failing to compile entirely. i'll have to waste some of my free time on them.
22:59 <@preaction> and ownerUserId does have to be set by the processPropertiesFromFormPost, it's not set to the current user automatically
22:59 <@preaction> but i don't know why that is
23:16 <@preaction> perlDreamer, have you added the "Every sub must have an explicit return" PerlCritic test yet?
23:25 < perlDreamer> No, with caveats.
23:26 <@preaction> just wondering. i've run into problems with implicit returns in the processPropertiesFromFormPost sub, so i fixed it
23:29 < perlDreamer> so, officially, there's no Perl::Critic test
23:30 < perlDreamer> all you do is run perlcritic on the codebase
23:30 <@preaction> ah
23:30 < perlDreamer> and pass it switches to tell it how hard you want to pound on it
23:30 < perlDreamer> All I've done so far is run -gentle, which is level 5
23:35 < perlDreamer> also, I don't know that we'd like to run Perl::Critic as part of the smoke tests
23:35 < perlDreamer> I think it would take a very, very long time to run
23:35 <@preaction> oh well
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00:19 < perlDreamer> s/PhotoGallery/Gallery/ ???
00:20 < perlDreamer> s/PhotoAlbum/GalleryAlbum/ ???
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00:26 <@preaction> yeah
00:26 < perlDreamer> plan => 0 doesn't work
00:26 < perlDreamer> Each test needs to delete any Assets it creates
00:27 <@preaction> that's what rollback does
00:27 < perlDreamer> right, but in comment.t there's no END block, so the rollback doesn't get called when the test dies
00:28 < perlDreamer> I checked in the class names and the plan fixes
00:28 < perlDreamer> the last are temporary until the right amount of tests can be run
00:29 < perlDreamer> my bad
00:29 < perlDreamer> there's an END block
00:42 < perlDreamer> when fatal calls exit, it prevents the END block from being run at all
00:42 < perlDreamer> Sorry, preaction
00:55 < perlDreamer> preaction: am I going to be stepping on your toes if I keep submitting test changes?
01:12 <@preaction> no, go ahead
01:19 < perlDreamer> okay.  I'll keep the commits small with lots of comment so you can quickly/easily review and revert if necessary
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02:19 < perlDreamer> preaction, the commented-out test in 5152 should probably be removed, but I'll leave that up to you.
02:19 < perlDreamer> when the ->db call dies, wG calls errorHandler->fatal, which calls exit, so it can't be trapped.
02:21 <@preaction> that's the problem! exit should never EVER be called! 
02:21 <@preaction> die, sure. exit, never
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02:21 < perlDreamer> right, but then we need to trap all calls to the db so that it undies gracefully
02:22 < perlDreamer> gtg, going to the zoo with the fam tonight
02:22 <@preaction> eh, no different from now, when exit gives us absolutely no chance to trap
02:22 <@preaction> k, have fun
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03:16 < dionak> say i have a url like /company/methodology. is there an existing macro that can return just /company? 
03:16 < dionak> it'd be easy to write but if it already exists...
03:18 <@preaction> i don't think one exists, no
03:23 < dionak> Thanks. I copied RootTitle and made one called RootUrl.
03:23 < dionak> btw, do you know who works on the calendar?
03:23 < dionak> it needs some love
03:24 <@preaction> "some"? :p
03:24 <@preaction> i wrote it, and i'd like to re-write it, but there's of course no time to
03:25 < dionak> :)
03:25 <@preaction> the main people who get to work on Core are JT and Graham. JT's more interested in R&D and new features, Graham does bugfixen.
03:25 <@preaction> but, of course, everything has to go through the RFE / Bugfix cycle
03:25 < dionak> i can relate to the time issue. 
03:25 < dionak> yea. usually i run stuff through JT. 
03:25 <@preaction> unless you're willing to do the work. There's plenty of stuff that JT wants in the Calendar that just hasn't been added
03:25 < dionak> i'm starting to use the calendar more and clients ask for that a lot. 
03:26 < dionak> i may have some time over the holidays, not sure. i would definitely like to address client facing issues with regards to the calendar. and the reoccurring events are a little challenging.
03:26 <@preaction> in essence, the Calendar was supposed to be a base for a slew of related assets. I, unfortunately, did not have time nor the deep understanding of WebGUI to accomplish that (unlike the Gallery, which is complete awesomeness)
03:26 <@preaction> oh, god, yes
03:27 <@preaction> there's a Perl module out there DateTime::Event::ICal or something like that
03:27 < dionak> where's the gallery? i don't think i've used that yet. 
03:27 <@preaction> it just got added to SVN today
03:27 < dionak> would love to look at it. by where, i mean in the code base. 
03:27 < dionak> ah, i'll update then
03:28 < dionak> so are events assets like posts are in the forum collaboration system?
03:28 <@preaction> but if you could prove that using DateTime::Event::Ical can be as fast or faster than generating recurring event assets the way it's done, it would fix a lot of problems i expect
03:28 <@preaction> i'd prove it, but again, time constraints
03:28 <@preaction> basically
03:29 < dionak> ok. 
03:29 < dionak> at least gives me a direction. 
03:29 <@preaction> the problem is that each event in a recurrence pattern is generated. they're linked together by their recurrence pattern, which has an ID
03:29 <@preaction> the generation takes time, of course, which is problem one.
03:30 < dionak> a user facing issue is that a reoccurring event can't be easily managed
03:30 <@preaction> updating recurring events is problem two, there was supposed to be a little dropdown box for "Update all in this pattern" or "Update only this"
03:31 < dionak> yea, that would help. 
03:31 <@preaction> with the additional possibility of "Update only this" breaking the event from its recurrence pattern (or perhaps a third option of "Make standalone")
03:31 < dionak> i would think so
03:32 <@preaction> i still don't like the form for inputting the recurrence pattern, we copied it from Outlook, but i think Evolution and/or Apple's ICal does it better
03:32 <@preaction> and there was also supposed to be a way to add specific dates to the recurrence pattern, as well as prevent certain other dates from being added
03:32 <@preaction> (includeDates and excludeDates)
03:33 <@preaction> so yes, there is plenty of love to be added, and we aren't even into the whole iCalendar "Appointment" / Register for Event thing
03:33 < dionak> sounds like a can of worms
03:33 <@preaction> that and if the EMS ever gets re-written, i'd like to figure out how to make it a subclass of the Calendar
03:34 <@preaction> eh, i don't know how the calendar apps do it, but it's apparently just sending iCalendar documents around. should be no problem
03:34 <@preaction> at any rate, Calendars are evil, evil applications
03:35 <@preaction> but any help I can provide, i'll be more than happy to
03:36 < dionak> lol, i have to agree about the evilness. i appreciate the offer and i may pick your brain about the calendar after chatting up JT about it. my guess is that if i start small and work my way into it, i'll become more familiar with just how evil calendars are
03:44 < dionak> ok, perhaps a silly question. i created the new macro, compiled it successfully, added it to the etc/my_site.conf and restarted mod_perl. It shows up but is listed as 'not enabled'. 
03:44 <@preaction> is the code correct? does it compile? does the error log say anything about it?
03:45 <@preaction> listed as not enabled? there's a list?
03:45 < dionak> yes, in help there's a list of available macros. pretty handy
03:45 <@preaction> oh, that's removed in 7.4 i thought
03:46 < dionak> we're 7.3 something.
03:46 < dionak> nothing in the log
03:46 < dionak> yes, the code compiles
03:47 <@preaction> is the package statement correct? that could do it
03:47 < dionak> do we keep losing things from help? that's a handy list.
03:47 < dionak> yea, i thought that too. i'll double check it 
03:48 < dionak> yea, it's WebGUI::Macro::RootUrl
03:48 <@preaction> the online help (everything except template vars) is being moved out to the Wiki
03:48 < dionak> and the macro is called RootUrl
03:48 < dionak> oh no
03:48 <@preaction> i remember a good reason for it, i just don't remember what it was
03:49 < dionak> performance is what i've heard but still. 
03:49 <@preaction> anyway, i can't think of anything else for the macro problem
03:49 < dionak> k, thanks
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16:48 < wgGuest44> hello
16:49 < wgGuest44> i have a question related to ldap
16:52 < wgGuest44> hi
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18:48 < CIA-19> WebGUI: graham * r5153 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fix improper handling of entities by SyndicatedContent asset
18:51 < perlDreamer> preaction: ping
18:51 <@preaction> yes, the tests
18:51 < perlDreamer> Is there something I can do to help?
18:52 <@preaction> i've fixed Photo/comment.t, but it still dies due to something
18:52 <@preaction> and Photo/00base.t still dies because getParent doesn't actually getParent
18:52 <@preaction> i tried adding some code to AssetLineage to figure out why to no avail
18:53 < perlDreamer> I'll try working on the Storage tests, then.
18:54 <@preaction> huh, didn't even notice those failures. weird
18:55 <@preaction> neither Storage.t nor Storage/Image.t fail on my dev
19:03 < CIA-19> WebGUI: doug * r5154 /WebGUI/ (8 files in 3 dirs): fixed some Gallery tests failing. removed some unnecessary ones. still bunch more to go...
19:06 < perlDreamer> Storage tests are failing on my box, but it's for bad setup reasons
19:06 < perlDreamer> I'm guessing that several tests are failing because the new modules are not installed on the nightly build server
19:07 < perlDreamer> d'oh
19:07 < perlDreamer> Storage.t is failing because a test was added but the plan was not updated
19:08 < perlDreamer> sometimes I'm so thick
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19:14 < perlDreamer> preaction: is Storage/Image.t failing on your box?
19:15 <@preaction> nope
19:15 < perlDreamer> WRE on your dev box?
19:15 <@preaction> yeup
19:18 < CIA-19> WebGUI: colin * r5155 /WebGUI/t/Storage.t: increment plan for TODO test
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19:24 < perlDreamer> I can duplicate the Storage/Image.t failing test on my box
19:24 < perlDreamer> It tests resizing images according to the maxImageSize from the settings
19:25 < perlDreamer> and it checks too wide, and too tall
19:25 < perlDreamer> too tall is failing because the resize actually grows the image larger
19:26 <@preaction> which test/line?
19:26 < perlDreamer> it's test 56
19:27 <@preaction> the new size is 40 x 80, no?
19:28 < perlDreamer> Nope, 80 x 160 on my box
19:28 < perlDreamer> http://webgui.pastebin.com/d922c9b0
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19:31 <@preaction> perhaps it's because i'm using GraphicsMagic and you have ImageMagick?
19:31 < perlDreamer> probably
19:31 < perlDreamer> so the two aren't API compatible?
19:32 <@preaction> i thought they were
19:32 < perlDreamer> me, too
19:33 <@preaction> i did change the method that images use to resize, using geometry instead of having to pre-calculate the aspect ratio, also using a different algorithm for better quality
19:33 <@preaction> but if it doesn't resize, then IM should throw an error, and i could've swore we checked for errors
19:33 < perlDreamer> well, it does resize
19:34 < perlDreamer> but, given only the width, it makes the width larger, rather than smaller
19:35 < perlDreamer> supporting both graphics packages is going to be complex
19:35 < perlDreamer> we'll need real smoking, not just the nightly run
19:35 < perlDreamer> multi-platform, multi-dependency
19:35 <@preaction> we're not anymore, ImageMagick only going forward
19:35 < perlDreamer> from WRE 0.8.2?
19:35 <@preaction> 0.8.1 actually
19:36 < perlDreamer> you using 0.8.1?
19:36 <@preaction> no, 0.8.0
19:37 < perlDreamer> well, Resize supports Width, Geometry and Height keys, so it will do the job with the nice filtering
19:37 < perlDreamer> I'll try to fix it up, then can you test on 0.8.0 for me?
19:37 <@preaction> sure
19:37 <@preaction> but that's what Storage::Image is using now, Resize()
19:38 < perlDreamer> yes
19:38 < perlDreamer> I'll just tell it to use Height => max_size, or Width => max_size, or Geometry => max_size
19:38 <@preaction> if you give it Width or Height, it will only change that value, it won't constrain proportionally, which is what only specifying one value should do
19:39 < perlDreamer> It doesn't do that on IM.
19:39 < perlDreamer> http://www.imagemagick.org/script/perl-magick.php
19:39 <@preaction> weirder and weirder...
19:39 < perlDreamer> that seems to say it will scale to the desired value
19:40 < perlDreamer> but it's not clear on it
19:40 < perlDreamer> do you have a better API ref for IM?
19:40 <@preaction> no
19:43 < perlDreamer> you're right.  Height and width do 1 dimensional scaling only
19:44 < perlDreamer> it looks like we'll have to go back to the recompute, and specify both quantities for geometry
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20:13 < perlDreamer> preaction: svn head, rev 5156 has my proposed change.
20:13 < perlDreamer> Can you GM it for me, please?
20:13 <@preaction> will do
20:14 <@preaction> succeeds over here
20:15 < perlDreamer> sweet.  That's two down
20:16 < perlDreamer> Group.t passes for me
20:16 < perlDreamer> Macro/SQL.t passes
20:17 < perlDreamer> Workflow/Activity/DeleteExpiredSessions.t passes
20:18 < CIA-19> WebGUI: colin * r5156 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Storage/Image.pm t/Storage/Image.t): Storage/Image: resize works with ImageMagick again. Add diagnostics to tests for easy debug
20:18 < CIA-19> WebGUI: graham * r5157 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/SyndicatedContent.pm: working fix for Syndicated content entity issue
20:18 < CIA-19> WebGUI: graham * r5158 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.4.19 release
20:18 < perlDreamer> Post, WikiPage, Calendar and Collab pass, too
20:19 < perlDreamer> they're probably failing due to missing modules
20:21 <@preaction> or they failed due to no cleanup after some of the added Photo / GalleryAlbum / Gallery tests
20:21 <@preaction> rollback isn't purging its own assets for some reason
20:22 < perlDreamer> I don't think those tests would interfere like that, but I could be wrong
20:23 <@preaction> the Duplicate entry 'xxx' for ... is caused by a bad asset in the database usually
20:24 < perlDreamer> Helps if I read the test output instead of just the summary
20:24 < perlDreamer> I'll try rerunning those tests, since they all passed the first time
20:33 < perlDreamer> I can run them multiple times here with no problems.
20:33 < perlDreamer> I did notice that those 4 failing asset tests fail due to duplicate lineage, with each having the same lineage
20:33 < perlDreamer> maybe lineage isn't incrementing properly anymore?
20:36 <@preaction> no, it only happens when something else fails, an asset exists in the asset table, but not in assetData or other
20:36 <@preaction> so it can't instanciate the asset, and assumes there is no asset there
20:37 <@preaction> so when it gets the rank to add a new lineage, it gets an existing rank, and then dies when it tries to insert it
20:48 < CIA-19> WebGUI: jt * r5159 /releases/WebGUI_7.4.19-stable: Release 7.4.19-stable
20:52 < perlDreamer> well, that also explains the SQL Macro test.  It assumes that no other users are in the db.
20:53 < perlDreamer> if one of the tests failed before it could clean up users, then they'd fail
20:55 < perlDreamer> here's another data point.  the four failing asset tests, Calendar, Collaboration, Post and WikiPage all have their own addChild methods that check for children.
20:55 < perlDreamer> and addChild seems to be creating bad kids
20:56 < perlDreamer> http://webgui.pastebin.com/m5dc0bf89
20:56 < perlDreamer> Note how photo and album have the same lineage
20:57 < perlDreamer> and why getParent is failing
20:57 <@preaction> that is weird
20:57 < perlDreamer> there looks like some extra "child" between gallery and album
20:58 <@preaction> looks like the photo is being saved to the album
20:58 < perlDreamer> they're siblings with the same lineage, though
20:58 <@preaction> they have different assetIds?
20:59 < perlDreamer> I'll check
20:59 < perlDreamer> but mysql should puke on duplicate lineages
21:00 < perlDreamer> hold on, maybe bad pasting on my part
21:02 < perlDreamer> nm, lineages are fine
21:44 < perlDreamer> the assets are pending, so you can't do a revision date lookup on them
21:45 < perlDreamer> that's why getParent returns undef
21:46 < perlDreamer> Probably the Gallery, GalleryAlbum and Photo need to be committed under separate version tags
21:55 < perlDreamer> but shouldn't commit set the status to approved when the assets are committed?
22:03 < CIA-19> WebGUI: graham * r5160 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (4 files in 4 dirs): preparing for 7.4.20 dev
22:22 < perlDreamer> preaction: do these use auto commit workflows?
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22:49 < perlDreamer> I can't wait for named arguments in Perl 6
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23:00 < perlDreamer> preaction: permissions.t isn't dying anymore
23:01 < perlDreamer> the album and photos were using autocommit tags, and since the autocommit was never committed, they were always
23:01 < perlDreamer> pending.
23:01 < perlDreamer> so getParent look ups failed due to revisionDate lookups (which require committed assets)
23:02 < perlDreamer> In the test, I used skipAutoCommit and placed them in chunks, then rolled back all the version tags at the end
23:02 < perlDreamer> It could get away with 1 version tag, but then you'd need several different Photo assets
23:03 < perlDreamer> Another way that would work would be to fetch the autocommit tag for each asset and store them in an array to be committed, and rolled back at the end
23:03 < CIA-19> WebGUI: colin * r5161 /WebGUI/t/Asset/File/Image/Photo/permissions.t: 
23:03 < CIA-19> WebGUI: Make sure that all Assets are created inside of capturable version tags so they
23:03 < CIA-19> WebGUI: can be cleaned up at the end of the test.
23:04 < perlDreamer> Everything in Photo/*.t needs to be modified to work that way
23:04 <@preaction> i could've swore that revisionDate was added at the time of the addRevision
23:04 < perlDreamer> it is, but when status=pending the lookup, it returns no revisionDate
23:05 < perlDreamer> see Asset/getCurrentRevisionDate
23:06 < perlDreamer> Asset->new calls that if no specific revisionDate is supplied
23:07 <@preaction> that sounds like it could have other reprocussions
23:07 <@preaction> ah, i see. it would only have other reprocussions if we didn't check version tags
23:07 < perlDreamer> right
23:07 <@preaction> but if a version tag is stuck in spectre, and it's not our working tag, it could cause screwups
23:08 < perlDreamer> That's why the Calendar and Collab system have checks for committing the top level Assets.
23:08 <@preaction> which is why you have to commit a CS / Calendar before you can add children
23:08 < perlDreamer> exactomundo
23:08 <@preaction> and i think i forgot to add those checks to the Gallery, so there's a bug that needs to be fixed
23:09 < perlDreamer> They may also need addChild checks for valid children, ala Calendar/Collab
23:09 < perlDreamer> and to be honest, it probably makes sense to check for a committed parent in there as well.
23:10 < perlDreamer> Since single parent families are so prevalent nowadays, and all.
23:10 < perlDreamer> Do you want me to publish a bug report, or will you just fix them?
23:11 <@preaction> probably publish a bug report, just to remind me. i have to finish writing my first chapter for the developer's guide
23:13 < perlDreamer> done
23:18 <@preaction> wait. we're part of that working tag, no?
23:18 <@preaction> so if we skipAutoCommitWorkflows they get added to our working tag
23:19 < perlDreamer> yes
23:19 <@preaction> so getCurrentRevisionDate would get a date, and we'd be all hunky-dory
23:19 < perlDreamer> right
23:19 < perlDreamer> that's what I did to the tests
23:19 <@preaction> ah, k
23:19 < perlDreamer> the other way is to grab the tagIds from each Asset, commit them and then roll them back at the end of the test
23:19 < perlDreamer> (without the skipAuto)
23:20 <@preaction> which sounds ugly to me
23:20 < perlDreamer> yeah
23:20 < perlDreamer> off to the gym, be back in 90
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01:32 < elnino> hello.  What webgui group must I be a member of to be able to approve version tags?
01:32 < perlDreamer> You're using an Approval workflow?
01:32 < elnino> yes.
01:33 < elnino> the default one.
01:33 < perlDreamer> In that workflow, it says which group you have to be a member of.
01:33 < elnino> ...looking....
01:35 < elnino> ok. it says Version Manager. which is what I thought, But I craete an user account that was a memeber of "turn admin on" and Version Manger. And when I go to the inbox and click on the link to view and approve the verstion tag, it tells me that I do not ave sufficent permissions. I'm using 7.3.22
01:36 < perlDreamer> Does it work for the Admin user?
01:38 < perlDreamer> also, you may want to try that on the demo site and see if you can duplicate it there
01:38 < perlDreamer> you may have found a bug
01:39 < elnino> oh yeah. I'm admin I can approve all I want. I created this "special account" by request of customer - it can only approve version tags, no content edits are allowed.  'k. Thanks..
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02:17 < perlDreamer> wgGuest49: Ask away!
02:19 < perlDreamer> preaction: I'm going to start adding versionTag/commits to Photo/00base.t and work my way up from there
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02:20 < perlDreamer> teflond0n, you can ask questions too
02:20 < teflond0n> One question ;)
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02:20 < teflond0n> this one shouldnt be too bad
02:20 < teflond0n> is there a way to import usernames and passwords from a csv or database other than from LDAP
02:21 < perlDreamer> one time import, or continuous use?
02:21 < teflond0n> one time
02:21 < teflond0n> continuous would be ok
02:21 < perlDreamer> check the sbin directory for a suspiciously named file
02:21 < teflond0n> but if we can get the initial import
02:21 < teflond0n> we can manually update as needed
02:22 < teflond0n> would that be easier than setting up LDAP to work with it?
02:22 < perlDreamer> I have never set up LDAP, so I can't say.
02:22 < perlDreamer> that script was designed for 1 time imports
02:23 <+Radix-wrk> it's called userImport.pl funnily enough
02:23 < perlDreamer> are you looking for a single-sign on solution of some kind?
02:23 < teflond0n> yea, havent been able to find alot in the wiki or message board on LDAP either 
02:23 < perlDreamer> or trying to bridge applications?
02:23 < teflond0n> well
02:23 < teflond0n> to be honest
02:23 < teflond0n> I work for a school board
02:23 < teflond0n> they have a system set up for email
02:23 <+Radix-wrk> the userimport script is pretty self-explanatary - the inbuilt help is very good
02:23 < teflond0n> and they want to use the same username / pw combo
02:24 < teflond0n> because there are over 500 employees and I dont feel like manually imputting them all
02:24 <+Radix-wrk> I used it to import users using csv when I did mine
02:24 < teflond0n> ok
02:24 < teflond0n> that I can deal with then
02:24 < perlDreamer> Radix-wrk, did you do it monthly?
02:24 <+Radix-wrk> nah, we did it one off
02:25 < perlDreamer> this would need to work on an ongoing basis
02:25 < teflond0n> it doesnt have to per say
02:25 < teflond0n> If we get the initial import done
02:25 <+Radix-wrk> but I also wrote my own userimport which passes the parameters through a url
02:25 < perlDreamer> sweet
02:26 <+Radix-wrk> it should be in contribs somewhere I think
02:26 < teflond0n> whenever we add or remove users I can have the person that setup the email set up webgui users
02:26 < teflond0n> awesome - lemme give that a look
02:26 < perlDreamer> teflond0n, if you have your own server, you can also make a script which is run on user creation.  that script can then add the user to your email app
02:27 <+Radix-wrk> http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/how-to-add-a-webgui-user-via-a-url
02:28 <+Radix-wrk> it's pretty straightforward hopefully
02:32 < teflond0n> ok - whats the best way to use that?
02:33 < perlDreamer> preaction: Photo/00base.t is passing all tests, it even fixed the TODO.
02:33 < teflond0n> I'm not a perl wiz
02:33 < CIA-19> WebGUI: colin * r5162 /WebGUI/t/Asset/File/Image/Photo/ (00base.t permissions.t): adding version tag commits. all tests pass
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05:03 < patspam> has anyone experienced the wre's logrotate script terminating with Out Of Memory?
05:06 < perlmonkey2> Is there an asset that would allow you to blog about something, but only show the first few lines unless the user clicked on the item?
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05:26 <+Radix-wrk> collaboration systems can be setup to be weblogs
05:26 <+Radix-wrk> by default the normal view in the cs system shows text in the main view until it gets a newline
05:33 < perlmonkey2> cool, thanks
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06:49 <+perlDreamer> preaction: ping
07:01 <+perlDreamer> nm, g'night
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07:03 < CIA-19> WebGUI: colin * r5163 /WebGUI/t/Asset/File/Image/Photo/comment.t: 
07:03 < CIA-19> WebGUI: Added version tag with commits and rollback.
07:03 < CIA-19> WebGUI: Changed SKIP and TODOs to isolate some more tests.
07:03 < CIA-19> WebGUI: WebGUI::International->get is not a class method.
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16:28 < SDuensin> Greetings.
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16:30 < teflond0n> hey guys - if anyones here to answer it I have a pretty easy question...  is there an AssetProxy to show upcoming events in a calendar?
16:31 <@preaction> assetProxy just displays another asset. do you mean SQLReport? you could make a shortcut to the calendar and override the template if you want
16:32 < teflond0n> well I have a small menu bar open for interesting content - i figured it would be nice to show something like events that are coming soon... unless you guys have any other recommendations
16:33 <@preaction> SQLReports for assets are nice. you could get any content that's changed in the last X days
16:33 <@preaction> of course, they take some development
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16:34 <@preaction> have you considered getting online support from plainblack? the friendly gentleman who just joined us can help you do just about anything you want
16:34 < teflond0n> yea... and I think we are going into production with the site by the end of the day if all goes according to plan
16:34 <@preaction> he can build SQLReports, help with templates, make macros, and plenty of other things
16:35 < teflond0n> I purchased 2 books from plainblack - but I think I need the next in the series to get more complicated
16:35 <@preaction> the sysadmin's guide?
16:35 < teflond0n> yea
16:35 <@preaction> or the developer's guide (which is upcoming)
16:35 < teflond0n> We purchased the content managers and designers guide...
16:36 < teflond0n> I learned a little from both but I learned most of it the hard way before the books came
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16:37 <@preaction> the hard way is more fun, but there are things that have such a high barrier to entry that it's almost impossible to learn the hard way
16:37 <@preaction> i would group SQLReports for assets and SQLForms in this group (i still don't know how to use the SQLForm)
16:37 <@preaction> of course, the Thingy will replace/improve on the SQLForm
16:38 < teflond0n> well I am no where near your webgui lvls yet but I think that the online support may be out of our budget
16:39 < teflond0n> I'm a fairly new employee  so I can't guestimate 
16:40 <@preaction> ah, $1000/year, which is ...
16:40 <@preaction> perlbot math 1000 / 12
16:40 < perlbot> 83.3333333333333
16:40 < teflond0n> not bad...
16:40 < teflond0n> I'll talk with my boss about it
16:40 <@preaction> that's just the webgui support, which i outlined above
16:41 < teflond0n> right
16:41 <@preaction> we also have the phone/login support, which is significantly higher, but includes logging in to fix problems on the system itself
16:41 <@preaction> https://www.plainblack.com/services/support <- more info, if needed
16:41 < teflond0n> but its also access to Administration Guide  - and staffed forums
16:42 < teflond0n> perlbot math 5000 / 12
16:42 < perlbot> 416.666666666667
16:42 < teflond0n> yea... a bit higher
16:42 <@preaction> yeah, the staff forums is the main part. as i said, help with SQLReports, help with building custom macros / assets / etc...
16:42 < teflond0n> would be helpful
16:43 < teflond0n> well I may be back shortly - I think were fixing to test our luck with the importUser.pl and see if we can get our 500 employees setup
16:44 < teflond0n> as always - I appreciate the help guys
16:44 <@preaction> good luck indeed, migrating users/content is always fun
16:44 < teflond0n> btw - www.ucschools.org
16:44 < teflond0n> keep an eye out for it - if its not today - it may be live by the end of the year
16:45 < teflond0n> its live now - but I'm redoing the entire site
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16:55 <@preaction> i rock the upsell
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16:58 < wgGuest58> hello
16:58 <@preaction> hello
16:59 < wgGuest58> i have a question
17:00 < wgGuest58> can i obtain a value from an external database from a user and put it in session as the username,karma etc?
17:01 <@preaction> you might be able to using a custom Auth module
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17:06 < wgGuest58> I need a session variable with a specific value that i get with a macro, how can i do it?
17:06 <@preaction> i don't understand what you mean by "session variable"
17:09 < wgGuest58> this value can be used in many parts of my site, but i don't like to call the macro each time that i need it, how can have it in session as a username?
17:09 <@preaction> put it in the session scratch once and get it from there
17:10 < wgGuest58> how put it in the session scratch?
17:11 <@preaction> WebGUI::Session::Scratch module
17:11 < wgGuest58> ok
17:11 < wgGuest58> another question
17:13 < wgGuest58> i have a webgui installation in version 7.3.22 and i want to update it.  Can i update it directly to the latest version or first to version 7.4.0 and then for the latest version?
17:14 < dionak> i believe you would need to do each version. The upgrade script in webgui updates to each sequential version until it arrives at the latest. 
17:15 < wgGuest58> ok
17:17 < wgGuest58> in a sql form can i create a hidden field that stores the username of the user?
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17:27 < dionak> my first thought, without looking, is that you could edit the template and add this hidden field. Perhaps use a macro to populate it. 
17:33 < wgGuest58> i don't some features from the sql form can i delete them modifying the template?
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17:38 < dionak> could you restate that question?
17:40 < wgGuest58> If i don't want some features from the sql form, can i delete them modifying the template?
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17:42 < dionak> which features are you not wanting? 
17:43 < wgGuest58> for example the search's field and some of the checkbox
17:47 < dionak> i would imagine so but i would have to look at the code. you could just copy the template, edit it real quick and try. sorry but i don't have the code open in front of me. i'm also not a PB dev. You could know in about 5 minutes. Unless someone else wants to chime in?
17:47 < perlmonkey2> Would YUI's charts component every be used in WebGUI?  It is JS that generates Flash charts.  Looks pretty neat, but it is Flash which I have a love hate relationship with.
17:49 <@preaction> i imagine if there's a use for it. Frank's been wanting to re-do the project manager for a while, and i've been wanting him to since i have some ideas of my own
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17:57 < wgGuest58> how the contributions are created?
17:58 < wgGuest58> especially the packages, how is the process?
18:01 < perlmonkey2> wgGuest58: I'm not sure how employees do it.  But volunteers just talk to Rizen and the rest, hash over what they want to do, and then submit the work for approval to the main tree.
18:01 < perlmonkey2> WebGUI is actually a pretty fun code base to work on.  
18:02 < perlmonkey2> wgGuest58: Preaction usually has all the answers ;)
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18:05 < wgGuest58> how can i generate a package with wgpkg extension
18:05 < wgGuest58> ?
18:07 < BartJol> make a package, go to the essat manager and export it
18:07 < BartJol> asset
18:09 <@preaction> perlbot .co
18:09 < perlbot> .co is Colombia
18:15 < wgGuest58> the people export an asset, change the code and then generate the package
18:17 <@rizen> you make whatever changes you want to make before generating the package
18:17 <@rizen> there is a section on how packages are created in the WebGUI Content Managers Guide
18:18 < wgGuest58> ok
18:18 < wgGuest58> i am going to check
18:19 < wgGuest58> thanks all for the help
18:21 < wgGuest58> i am new in webgui and i want to exploit all the resources that the webgui has
18:23 < BartJol> very good, success
18:24 < nuba> s/exploit/explore/?
18:25 <@rizen> exploit works too
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19:03 < CIA-19> WebGUI: colin * r5164 /WebGUI/t/Asset/File/Image/Photo/download.t: add version tags and commits. Also add 1 dummy test to make the plan happy
19:40 < perlmonkey2> Hmm, is there an easy way to reorder items in the navigation bar?
19:41 <@preaction> reorder them using the asset manager
19:41 < perlmonkey2> preaction: thanks 
19:41 <@preaction> the number on the side, next to the checkbox. you can drag it around
19:41 < perlmonkey2> groovy
19:42 <@preaction> question: wouldn't getLineage(['pedigree'], { assetToPedigree => $myasset }); be the same as $myasset->getLineage(['self','ancestors','descendants']); ?
20:05 < perlmonkey2> hmm....a few days ago there was a discussion on how to get a user to agree to terms and conditions before participating in a forum.  Anyone recall what the consensus was?
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21:14 < teflond0n> is the /data folder considered the root of webgui?
21:19 < teflond0n> scratch that - which is the webgui config file
21:21 <@rizen> preaction: no
21:21 <@rizen> teflond0n n
21:21 <@rizen> no
21:22 <@rizen> the webgui root is /data/WebGUI
21:23 < teflond0n> when its asking for --configfile=<webguiConfig>  what is the webguiConfig by default?
21:24 < teflond0n> would that be the sitename.conf in the etc folder?
21:25 <@rizen> yeah, config file would be www.example.com.conf or whatever your site is
21:27 < teflond0n> when I try to import using the userImport.pl I am getting Base class package "DateTime" is empty
21:28 < teflond0n> and says I might need to 'use' the module which defines it first at ..lib/weGui/datetime.pm lne 20
21:29 < teflond0n> any suggestions - 
21:30 <@preaction> teflond0n, it can't find the DateTime perl module
21:30 <@preaction> are you working in the right environment? can you perldoc -l DateTime?
21:31 < teflond0n> ls
21:32 < teflond0n> sorry  i tried to run that command but got no doc found for DateTime
21:33 < teflond0n> I see DateTime.pm in the lib/WebGUI folder
21:46 < teflond0n> any suggestions
21:47 <@preaction> lib/WebGUI/DateTime.pm is WebGUI::DateTime. perl is looking for DateTime, which is a perl module you should have from CPAN. it's required for WebGUI to work, so it exists on your system, somewhere
21:48 < teflond0n> I browsed to it at lib/WebGUI/DateTime.pm 
21:48 <@preaction> is WebGUI working on your site?
21:48 < teflond0n> yep
21:49 <@preaction> then you have DateTime
21:49 <@preaction> that is not DateTime, that is WebGUI::DateTime. look at the "package" statement at the beginning of that file
21:49 < teflond0n> do I need to stop the processes to run the userImport?
21:49 <@preaction> no
21:50 < teflond0n> right it says user WebGUI::DateTime;
21:51 <@preaction> and WebGUI::DateTime requires DateTime
21:51 < nuba> teflond0n: did you run /data/wre/sbin/setenvironment ?
21:52 < nuba> type at your shell ". /data/wre/sbin/setenvironment" without the quotes
21:52 < nuba> btw that will make sense to you only if you're using the wre
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22:15 < teflond0n> I have ran the setenvironment and it still isnt working
22:26 < nuba> paste your error at www.pastebin.com and post the url here
22:27 < nuba> if your error message is bigger than a couple of lines
22:33 < teflond0n> Base class package "DateTime" is empty.
22:35 < teflond0n> not sure if that helps
22:39 < teflond0n> what all comes with the online support - just whats listed here? https://www.plainblack.com/services/support
22:47 <@preaction> just what's there, with the questions at the bottom
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23:33 <@preaction> would there ever be a good reason for me to want to join more than one class in a getLineage query? every time i think of one, the where clause for the query gets exponentially more complicated
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00:04 < nuba> preaction: you know SQL's IN ? as in  "SELECT foo, bar FROM baz WHERE foo IN ( '1', '2', '3');"
00:05 <@preaction> yes
00:05 < nuba> instead of WHERE foo = '1' OR foo = '2' or foo = '3' etc
00:05 <@preaction> right
00:05 < nuba> ok
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00:07 <@preaction> but let's say we join two classes, Post and Event. If I only want to get Events that have a certain date, i need to do: ( className = 'WebGUI::Asset::Event' and Event.startDate = '...' ) <- enclosed in parens to make sure we don't screw with the Post assets we want
00:08 <@preaction> Posts don't have startDate, and if they did, it would be worse, since i'd have to also run the query against Post.startDate (after ensuring the className is Post)
00:09 <@preaction> the only time i could think it necessary is when searching for assets, and I think it'd be best to handle that using WebGUI::Search and a decent constrants system (which it has yet to gain, though i've got some ideas)
00:12 < nuba> well that suggests me a UNION of queries, too
00:13 < nuba> build a select for each class, then have 'em UNIONed
00:15 < nuba> that way if you have contraints A,B,C for a given class and D,E for another class, they wont step on each other's shoes.
00:15 <@preaction> right, and since we want to keep a single method to get assets from the lineage, would you think it'd be prudent to break getLineage into getLineage and getLineageQuery, so that later the WebGUI::Search module can run getLineageQuery multiple times to get the queries for all the assets, and run them using UNIONs
00:15 <@rizen> nuba, are you still working on the mapping system?
00:16 < nuba> rizen: yes
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00:20 <@rizen> sweet
00:20 <@rizen> how's it coming along
00:21 < nuba> rizen: i have the mid-january deadline for it :/
00:21 <@rizen> preaction, there should be no reason to have a getLineageQuery at all if we build a good constraints system in the search interface
00:21 < nuba> thats a government-issued deadline btw
00:21 <@rizen> oh yeah? your government is going to use it?
00:21 < nuba> its the deadline for delivering the website with that feature in my project's schedule, which is government-funded.
00:22 <@rizen> sweet
00:24 < nuba> so that bumped the priority up quite a good amount
00:24 < nuba> in my work plate
00:24 <@rizen> i'm glad to hear they are funding it's development
00:25 < nuba> i think i've told you before about it
00:26 < nuba> from my irlcogs: #webgui.2007-06.log:16:10 < nuba> ok, let me outline the project a bit. this is a grant i've got from the government, to build a portal dedicated to whats called by unesco 'untangible heritage'
00:26 <@rizen> yeah you briefly explained the project you were working on
00:26 < nuba> i meant UNESCO
00:26 < nuba> by then
00:26 < nuba> yep
00:27 < nuba> oops, irclogs*
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01:05 < perlDreamer> You ever have one of those days where your boss tells you to do something
01:05 < perlDreamer> But it isn't really what he wants
01:05 <@preaction> all the time
01:05 < perlDreamer> so when you give him what you asked for
01:05 < perlDreamer> you get busted?
01:05 <@preaction> yeah, i can definately relate to that
01:05 < nuba> everyone can in a certain level
01:06 <@rizen> yeah, my boss is a real dick
01:06 <@preaction> oh come off it, vrby is a good guy
01:06 <@rizen> vrby's not the boss of me
01:06 <@rizen> =)
01:06 <@preaction> Red Tape!
01:06 < perlDreamer> I'm gonna tell Sarah you said that.
01:07 <@preaction> i'm gonna tell Vrby you said that :p
01:07 <@rizen> oooooh
01:07 <@rizen> she's standing right here
01:07 < perlDreamer> sarah!
01:07 < perlDreamer> Hey!
01:07 <@rizen> she's taking offense
01:07 < perlDreamer> JT's ragging on you!
01:07 < perlDreamer> He says you have stinky armpit hair and nag on him all day long
01:08 <@rizen> ha! she walked away before you typed that last part
01:08 < perlDreamer> I'll text her instead
01:09 < dionak_> smart sarah
01:09 < nuba> every man's boss is a real dick if you take Sigmund Freud's words seriously
01:09 <@rizen> come on preaction, we have our good an bad days, but our worst days are still better than any other place you've ever worked i'm guessing
01:09 < nuba> he's the one who proposed "sexual desire as the primary motivational energy of human life"
01:09 <@rizen> i know they are for me
01:11 <@preaction> i'm not complaining, i'm more proactive than colin: I'll get clarification when I know that i'm being asked for something I know the boss doesn't really want
01:11 <@preaction> hence the specs
01:12 < perlDreamer> oh no, he's prefectly clear the first time
01:12 < perlDreamer> "Go and run a simulation that answers this question".
01:12 < perlDreamer> Here's the answer
01:12 < perlDreamer> "That's not what I want"
01:12 <@preaction> and then you ask "so you want me to answer this question?"
01:12 <@preaction> if they say "yes", get it on tape
01:13 < perlDreamer> I should
01:13 < perlDreamer> My MP3 player has a voice recorder
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01:13 < nuba> heh
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01:29 < perlDreamer> preaction: I'm stuck on an t/..../Photo/editSave bug.  Do you have a few minutes?
01:29 <@preaction> sure
01:29 < perlDreamer> let me commit this
01:30 < perlDreamer> HEAD/5165
01:30 < perlDreamer> when I run this, I'm still getting a fatal (can't call prepare on an undefined)
01:33 <@preaction> because there's no templateIdViewAlbum in the Gallery
01:33 < perlDreamer> there's no default, it always has to be specified?
01:33 < CIA-19> WebGUI: colin * r5165 /WebGUI/t/Asset/File/Image/Photo/editSave.t: Added versionTags and commits. Still having some problems, though.
01:34 <@preaction> there's no default currently, i mean, there could be if you open up the package that contains the assets and add those assetIds to the Gallery
01:34 <@preaction> which i can do quick
01:35 < perlDreamer> that would help a lot
01:35 <@preaction> run this query for me and give me one of the assetIds it gives you? just making sure of something
01:35 <@preaction> elect namespace,assetId from template where namespace LIKE "Gallery%"
01:36 < perlDreamer> http://webgui.pastebin.com/m4d38e826
01:37 <@preaction> good, they're the same (even though i should just trust the package system for that)
01:38 < perlDreamer> Are wG::Test::Maker objects smart?  In other words, it looks like you're running permission and HTML tests with the same object.
01:39 <@preaction> yup
01:39 <@preaction> wait, like how? i believe i made it so you could only run either permission / html tests on the same method
01:39 <@preaction> it's the method that's the thing
01:39 <@preaction> i mean, if you're running a permission test, you don't need a regex
01:40 <@preaction> though i realize there's that "doesn't look like a regex" and i think that's because it's not qr//, but i think it also has to be quotemeta too. i don't know if it's even possible to do what i want 
01:40 <@preaction> it might have to be an is() test
01:43 < perlDreamer> it would be nice if there was an index test primitive so you don't have to muck with the regexes.
01:44 < perlDreamer> Does the string contain this substring?
01:44 < perlDreamer> is() won't work unless you set the user styles to be empty
01:45 <@preaction> i was thinking it would, because we get what the privilege output should be right before we test the method, so everything should be the same between them (the session asset shouldn't change)
01:47 < perlDreamer> I see.  Maker::HTML calls the expected privilege method instead of just doing a substring match on the privilege message like I did in the Session/Privilege tests.
01:48 <@preaction> i've been trying to design future-resistent tests
01:48 <@preaction> Test::Deep is a great tool when it comes to that
01:48 <@preaction> commmitted the default assetIds
01:48 < CIA-19> WebGUI: doug * r5166 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Gallery.pm: fix: Added default assetIds for templates
01:48 < perlDreamer> thanks
01:49 < perlDreamer> with test_privilege doing an is, it just fails now
01:49 < perlDreamer> I'll try to diagnose why
01:50 <@preaction> eh, if you just change it to do a simple regex on a magic string for now, i'd be cool with it. it's the interface that's more important (maybe in the future we can figure it out)
01:54 < perlDreamer> it's not using the same asset for both lookups
01:54 < perlDreamer> I'm not sure why
01:54 < perlDreamer> were these passing before the merge?
01:55 <@preaction> no, couldn't figure out why
01:55 <@preaction> but i think it's because it's not setting $session->asset in WebGUI::Test->getPage
01:55 <@preaction> and then it would also have to set the asset when getting the privilege text to test
01:56 <@preaction> (and restore the asset in both cases, or just do it in the Test::Maker::HTML)
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01:58 < perlDreamer> on to the test_regex.  if you call editSave, it will create a new object?  How do we get a handle on that so that it can be committed and rolled back?
01:58 <@preaction> editSave will commit... well, requestCommit automatically (due to processPropertiesFromFormPost)
01:59 <@preaction> theoretically purging the album will purge the photos
01:59 <@preaction> and purging all assets in a version tag will rollback the version tag
01:59 <@preaction> so also theoretically, purging the Gallery will clean up everything for us
01:59 < perlDreamer> purging all assets in a version tag will cause the version tag to roll back?  I didn't know there was a hook for that.
02:00 <@preaction> AssetTrash line 191
02:01 < perlDreamer> sweet!
02:02 <@preaction> but also rolling back a version tag should purge the Gallery, which will purge the Album and Photos
02:03 <@preaction> look at AssetTrash line 136, shouldn't we need to get pending, approved, and/or archived assets as well?
02:03 <@preaction> as it is, it looks like it will only get approved assets
02:04 < perlDreamer> that may be a bug
02:07 <@preaction> i'll post it and see if someone else agrees
02:08 < perlDreamer> For now, I'd like to mark all of the Maker tests as SKIP until you can get test_permission and other issues worked out.  Does that sound okay?
02:09 <@preaction> sure
02:09 < perlDreamer> I'll try to get as many of the others working as possible
02:09 <@preaction> feel free to be heavy with the TODO: blocks
02:10 < perlDreamer> well, none of editSave tests are working, so I just did skip_all on them.
02:10 < perlDreamer> But I'll mark other individual tests as necessary
02:11 < perlDreamer> Maybe we should start with some Test::Maker tests? ;)
02:14 <@preaction> perhaps ;)
02:14 <@preaction> i'm starting to think it might be better to use use Test::Deep and make a Test::Deep::Cmp for things like privilege and such
02:15 <@preaction> but then again, Test::Maker does abstract away the whole calling of getPage
02:16 < perlDreamer> Is there a lot of getPage setup?
02:16 <@preaction> not really, it just passes right on
02:17 < perlDreamer> according to t..../Photo/exif.t, Photo.pm needs to subclass setFile to add exif data.
02:18 < perlDreamer> that's not happening at all right now
02:18 <@preaction> ah, i think i forgot to tell the rest of the system that we're not caching exif data at the moment
02:19 <@preaction> the exif data contains stuff that JSON doesn't like at all (like scalar refs)
02:19 <@preaction> i'll remove those two tests
02:21 <@preaction> actually, i'll fix this test right. it'll take me just a couple minutes
02:34 <@preaction> 5167 has my fixes for that exif.t stuff
02:48 < CIA-19> WebGUI: doug * r5167 /WebGUI/t/Asset/File/Image/Photo/exif.t: fix: these tests pass now
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17:17 < nuba> There's also google's chart API at http://code.google.com/apis/chart/
17:18 < nuba> No javascript there, no api keys, its quite simple to use
17:18 < nuba> requires some data and url munging
17:18 <@preaction> they're just images too, which would probably be a good plugin to the webgui chart API
17:19 < nuba> may not enjoy the fact that they're public, and hosted elsewhere
17:19 < nuba> yes if you go the plugin route, that's a nice-to-have one, too
17:20 <@preaction> it is pluggable though, martin wrote it that way (from what I know)
17:20 < nuba> so ive heard at the dev list. I haven't checked the webgui's graphing features yet.
17:21 <@preaction> plus you might want to add the Google one to the discussion on the forums, it might end up being a better solution even than using ImageMagick
17:21 < nuba> yeah
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17:40 < wgGuest84> hi
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18:23 < wgGuest73> hello
18:25 < wgGuest73> can i create in a sql form a default field that stores a value?
18:26 < wgGuest73> I want to create several sql form in my site and all of them need that default field
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18:42 < wgGuest73> can i create in a sql form a default field that stores a value?
18:43 < perlDreamer> Is the user allowed to change the default, or is it the same all the time?
18:44 < wgGuest73> is the same all the time
18:44 < perlDreamer> Try looking at the form options ReadOnly, or Hidden
18:44 < perlDreamer> I'm not sure if SQLForm supports them, but in WebGUI speak that's how you'd do it.
18:46 < wgGuest73> i am going to check
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18:57 < wgGuest73> the value of this default field can be assigned with a macro
18:58 < perlDreamer> Is that a question or a statement?
18:58 < wgGuest73> excuseme, question
18:59 < perlDreamer> I _think_ that SQL Form fields evaluate macros.
19:02 < wgGuest73> as the username is  a session value can i assign too?
19:03 < CIA-19> WebGUI: colin * r5168 /WebGUI/t/Asset/File/Image/Photo/ (editSave.t makeResolutions.t): add version tags and commits to makeResolutions. Most tests fail anyway
19:03 < perlDreamer> No, the username is fixed and depends on which user is logged in at the time.
19:06 < wgGuest73> and if I have another information in session how can i put it in the dafault value?
19:06 < wgGuest73> default field?
19:06 < nuba> wgGuest73: maybe you would like to assign the current session's username to a field, is that the case?
19:07 < perlDreamer> wgGuest73: there is only access to a limited subset of the session variable inside templates and macros.  You'll need to be very specific as to what you want.
19:07 < wgGuest73> can i use for example session->username() to put a value in the default field? 
19:08 < perlDreamer> No, but you can use ^@;, which is the username macro
19:13 < wgGuest73> ok 
19:14 < wgGuest73> thanks for your help
19:14 < perlDreamer> You're welcome!
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19:18 < CIA-19> WebGUI: colin * r5169 /WebGUI/t/Asset/File/Image/Photo/makeShortcut.t: 
19:18 < CIA-19> WebGUI: Added commit and rollback.
19:18 < CIA-19> WebGUI: Skip'ed two tests, one which uses test_permissions and another which uses a Shortcut
19:18 < CIA-19> WebGUI: method which does not exist.
19:18 < CIA-19> WebGUI: colin * r5170 /WebGUI/t/Asset/File/Image/Photo/setFile.t: 
19:18 < CIA-19> WebGUI: Added commits and skipAutoCommitWorkflow. Test can be run multiple times.
19:18 < CIA-19> WebGUI: First test is failing.
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19:33 < CIA-19> WebGUI: colin * r5171 /WebGUI/t/Asset/File/Image/Photo/view.t: 
19:33 < CIA-19> WebGUI: Fixed a typo (Photo wants to be a child of Album, not Gallery).
19:33 < CIA-19> WebGUI: Added commit and skipAutoCommitWorkflows.
19:33 < CIA-19> WebGUI: No tests in here.
19:35 < nuba> whoa, ran out of memory while batch-creating lots of colab assets w/ lots of posts
19:36 < perlDreamer> How many is "lots"?
19:36 < nuba> using a script based on WebGUI/sbin/_utility.skeleton, not a lot added there
19:36 < nuba> is a WebGUI::Session memory-hungry-prone?
19:36 < nuba> let me check the numbers..
19:37 < perlDreamer> They can all use the same session.
19:38 < nuba> total of 112 colab assets, having a total of 2654 posts w/ pics
19:39 < perlDreamer> Are you using the Post's autoCommitWorkflow (the default)?
19:39 < nuba> adding files to each's post storage with addFileFromFilesystem
19:39 < nuba> yes
19:40 < perlDreamer> So that would generate 2654 Spectre requests
19:40 < perlDreamer> really quickly
19:40 < nuba> it was the import script which ran out of memory
19:40 < nuba> not the box
19:40 < nuba> the utility script aborted with perl's "Out of memory!" message
19:41 < perlDreamer> I've never done anything on that scale, so I'd try posting to the dev mailing list.
19:41 < perlDreamer> The PB staff does stuff like that all the time, so they may have a better idea of what's up.
19:45 < perlDreamer> either that, or if you paste the script I can take a look at it
19:46 < nuba> well all my test runs with small amount worked fine, and since i need to wrap this job quickly i'll just whip a bash script to call my perl script 112 times
19:46 < nuba> small amounts*
19:46 < perlDreamer> good idea
19:46 < nuba> but thanks for the offer anyway
19:48 < CIA-19> WebGUI: colin * r5172 /WebGUI/t/Asset/File/Image/setfile.t: commit the version tag
19:48 < CIA-19> WebGUI: colin * r5173 /WebGUI/t/Asset/File/setfile.t: commit the version tag
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20:03 < CIA-19> WebGUI: colin * r5174 /WebGUI/t/_test.skeleton: END at the end
20:03 < CIA-19> WebGUI: colin * r5175 /WebGUI/t/Asset/AssetTrash.t: Adding a basic AssetTrash test to quickly check the purge method.
20:03 < CIA-19> WebGUI: colin * r5176 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/GalleryAlbum/00base.t: 
20:03 < CIA-19> WebGUI: Commit the workflow.
20:03 < CIA-19> WebGUI: Use the skipAutoCommitWorkflow switch.
20:03 < CIA-19> WebGUI: AssetTrash->purge does not set the invocant to be undef, only its copy.
20:16 < nuba> perlDreamer: still around?
20:18 < perlDreamer> yup
20:18 < nuba> perlDreamer: this is the first time im writing a utility script w/ collab assets, can you please check if its all there or if im missing something?
20:18 < nuba> its there http://pastebin.com/m35ca1d1f
20:18 < perlDreamer> sure
20:19 < nuba> i remember reading something about "mustn't forget to $post->postProcess;" somewhere
20:20 < nuba> guess it was here on the channel
20:20 < perlDreamer> I see one problem right off the bat.  No version tags.
20:20 < nuba> its on line 76
20:20 < perlDreamer> Before making the collab, add this line
20:25 < perlDreamer> You may need to commit the Collab before adding Threads to it
20:25 < perlDreamer> Is the script dying on calling the postProcess call?
20:25 < perlDreamer> actually, what problem are you seeing?
20:26 < nuba> after uploading about half the stuff the script printed "Out of memory!" to STDERR and died
20:26 < perlDreamer> this is after the bash loop, too?
20:27 < nuba> no, this is the doing-it-all-in-a-single-run script
20:28 < nuba> now, there is this error at webgui.log: 2007/12/21 15:44:19 - ERROR - www2.aviva.com.br.conf - main::[[undef]] - Caught exception executing workflow activity pbwfactivity0000000006 for instance qUdN1u5wNA-BU0vkyimGQw which reported Can't call method "get" on an undefined value at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Post.pm line 306.
20:28 < nuba> for every post I add
20:28 < nuba> still, the post seems normal
20:28 < perlDreamer> the Post needs a committed parent Collab
20:28 < perlDreamer> now, if you were to use skipAutoCommitWorkflows, it may work just fine
20:29 < perlDreamer> and just commit the whole thing at the end
20:31 < nuba> i'll try that, commiting after adding the colab, then set another version tag, and add posts, and commit it too
20:32 < nuba> thanks for checking the code, feedback is appreciated
20:33 < nuba> the feedback*, im not implying i want more feedback on it :)
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20:41 < perlDreamer> nuba, unless you set skipAutoCommitWorkflows in the Post, adding the 2nd versionTag won't do anything
20:41 < perlDreamer> All you really need to do is commit the Collab
20:43 < perlDreamer> Hail, rizen
20:43 < perlDreamer> Be well :)
20:43 <@rizen> don't hail me
20:43 <@rizen> or i'll tornado you
20:43 <@rizen> =)
20:43 < perlDreamer> Well, in that case...
20:44 < perlDreamer> $self->connectToBotNet->flood('rizen');
20:48 < CIA-19> WebGUI: colin * r5177 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/GalleryAlbum/addArchive.t: Commit the version tag, add skipAutoCommitWorkflow. This test runs, but is failing all tests
20:52 < perlDreamer> rizen, is there any way to say that tests have to be run out of /data/WebGUI?
20:53 <@rizen> you mean a policy, or codewise?
20:53 < perlDreamer> Well, if we have a policy, then the code would only work there.
20:53 <@rizen> i mean policy as in something we put in the wiki
20:54 < perlDreamer> Okay, then yes, policy
20:54 <@rizen> sure, but what would the reason for the policy be?
20:55 < perlDreamer> Getting rid of use lib "$FindBin::Bin/../../../lib";
20:57 <@rizen> and there's no other way that we could do it so we wouldn't need to include that in every file?
20:58 <@rizen> isn't there a master class that all tests inherit from, that's how we get $session
20:58 <@rizen> so technically, wouldn't we only need to find lib once?
20:58 < perlDreamer> Let me think outload for a sec.
20:58 < perlDreamer> The problem use lib FindBin solves is to find WebGUI::Test so it can set up lib paths and a session.
20:59 < perlDreamer> as an aside, Parrot has this problem, too.  And it's not easy to solve.
20:59 <@rizen> actually, what am i thinking
20:59 <@rizen> we don't even deed find bin
20:59 <@rizen> we have an environment variable that has the path to the config file
21:00 <@rizen> so we can parse that to find where the webgui root is
21:00 <@rizen> either that, or we could just require a second env var that tells us where webgui root is
21:01 < perlDreamer> we could append the path to PERL5LIB
21:01 < perlDreamer> that's just another way of doing the same thing
21:03 <@rizen> ok i guess my official opinion is that even though i recommend everyone use /data
21:03 <@rizen> not everyone does
21:03 < CIA-19> WebGUI: colin * r5178 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/GalleryAlbum/delete.t: Commit the version tag, add skipAutoCommitWorkflow. Update the use lib path. Skip test_permission tests. Most tests are failing.
21:03 <@rizen> and if we can do it without forcing people to use that
21:03 <@rizen> and still keep it easy for dev sake
21:03 <@rizen> then lets do that
21:04 <@rizen> however, if its a totally unsolvable problem without creating headaches for us
21:04 <@rizen> then we can create a policy
21:04 <@rizen> fair enough?
21:04 < perlDreamer> Very fair
21:18 < CIA-19> WebGUI: colin * r5179 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/GalleryAlbum/permission.t: Commit the version tag, add skipAutoCommitWorkflow. Update the use lib path. Skip test_permission tests. All tests are skipped.
21:18 < CIA-19> WebGUI: colin * r5180 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/GalleryAlbum/ (slideshow.t thumbnails.t rss.t): fix all the FindBin paths
21:18 < CIA-19> WebGUI: colin * r5181 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/GalleryAlbum/rss.t: Commit the version tag, add skipAutoCommitWorkflow. Add a TODO test as a placeholder.
21:18 < CIA-19> WebGUI: colin * r5182 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/GalleryAlbum/slideshow.t: Commit the version tag, add skipAutoCommitWorkflow. Add a TODO test as a placeholder.
21:18 < CIA-19> WebGUI: colin * r5183 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/GalleryAlbum/view.t: Commit the version tag, add skipAutoCommitWorkflow. Fix syntax errors. Set the plan. Half the tests are failing
21:19 < perlDreamer> very close to having the test suite back into shape
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21:31 <@rizen> what made it out of shape? was it the gallery?
21:33 < perlDreamer> yeah
21:33 < CIA-19> WebGUI: colin * r5184 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/GalleryAlbum/ (thumbnails.t addArchive.t): 
21:33 < CIA-19> WebGUI: Added skipAutoCommitWorkflow, committed the versionTag.
21:33 < CIA-19> WebGUI: addArchive seems to create a new revision, so stuff it inside the existing versionTag
21:33 < CIA-19> WebGUI: colin * r5185 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/Gallery/ (6 files): fix use lib paths
21:35 <@rizen> why are you fixing it
21:35 <@rizen> that's doug's job
21:35 <@rizen> preaction...why are you lettting him fix it
21:36 < perlDreamer> I volunteered
21:36 <@rizen> the client is paying us to build this thing
21:36 <@rizen> they'll pay to fix those problems as well
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00:03 < CIA-19> WebGUI: colin * r5186 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/Gallery/ (7 files): 
00:03 < CIA-19> WebGUI: Remove all tests with no internal tests, or that are exact copies of GalleryAlbum tests.
00:03 < CIA-19> WebGUI: Update 00base.t to test the Gallery instead of the GalleryAlbum.
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01:18 < CIA-19> WebGUI: Add tests to cover fixId and one test for fixTitle.
01:18 < CIA-19> WebGUI: Fix a bug where fixId would pass integers of any length.
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20:23 < nuba> is package importing (.wbpkg files) currently working?
20:25 < nuba> i uncompressed and inspected a .wbpkg file and its all there, but when importing in another site running under the same WRE I get just a empty folder called 'Folder'
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00:03 < CIA-19> WebGUI: colin * r5189 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Asset.t: coverage and functional tests for getIcon
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07:48 < CIA-19> WebGUI: Untab canAdd and canEdit.
07:48 < CIA-19> WebGUI: Tweak the POD docs for formatting.
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01:48 < CIA-19> WebGUI: Extend WebGUI::Test::Maker::Permission to handle class methods, like Asset->canAdd and Operations.
01:48 < CIA-19> WebGUI: Add canEdit and canAdd tests to Asset.t
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08:48 < CIA-19> WebGUI: Add 1 test for getLanguage to check for refactoring.
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20:41 < SDuensin> Merry Festivus!
20:46 < nuba> Happy Chrismukkah too
20:50 < nuba> there's also the Kwaanza that goes from Dec 26 to Jan 1st, for pan-africanism practitioners
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06:47 <+perlDreamer> preaction: Wanna talk alternating styles?
06:48 <@preaction> i don't understand it myself
06:48 <+perlDreamer> me, too
06:48 < CIA-19> WebGUI: colin * r5198 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/International.pm: 
06:48 < CIA-19> WebGUI: Fix a failing International.t test I caused.
06:48 < CIA-19> WebGUI: WGBP the conditionals in getLanguages
06:48 < CIA-19> WebGUI: Fix a typo in a comment
06:48 <+perlDreamer> I'm going to try setting up HEAD, and using wget just to fetch the style sheet
06:48 <+perlDreamer> try to take the browser out of the equation
06:49 <@preaction> i would venture to guess that FF doesn't like the response it gets when checking if the CSS is stale
06:49 <+perlDreamer> So what would be different in 5131 and earlier?
06:49 <@preaction> which causes the CSS to not be displayed, then the next time it requests the full CSS again
06:49 <@preaction> URL/Content handlers i guess
06:49 <@preaction> there were some other problems with them that I fixed, but afaik there is no testing apparatus in place yet
06:51 <+perlDreamer> I think you're right
06:51 <+perlDreamer> (about the testing)
06:51 <+perlDreamer> and wget gets the file every time
06:53 <+perlDreamer> if I try just to get the css in Firefox, then it just returns me to the homepage
06:53 <@preaction> eh, the real question is how COULD one test it? you could set up a page layout with a known description and the blank style
06:53 <@preaction> that's weird
06:53 <@preaction> that shouldn't happen
06:53 <+perlDreamer> that's how I did Session::Privileges
06:54 <+perlDreamer> WWW::Mech would be good for testing URL/Content
06:54 <@preaction> the CSS comes up just fine for me, unless i have cache disabled
06:54 <+perlDreamer> what happens if you disable the cache?
06:55 <@preaction> cache disabled it works fine
06:55 <@preaction> but if i just reload, i get the home page
06:55 <@preaction> if i shift+reload, i get the CSS again
06:57 <+perlDreamer> so you can duplicate the bug?
06:57 <@preaction> i think it has to do with line 118
06:57 <@preaction> yes
06:57 <@preaction> 118 of WebGUI::Content::Asset
06:57 <@preaction> returns Apache2::Const::OK; but WebGUI::Url::Content doesn't handle that case
07:00 <@preaction> that's weird, LiveHTTPHeaders shows that i'm getting 404, but it's not showing up in the webgui log
07:01 <+perlDreamer> and wget says that I got a 200 OK for all requests
07:02 <+perlDreamer> but maybe it ignores 304 and does another GET.
07:02 <@preaction> can you send an If-Modified-Since header? i think that's the problem
07:05 <+perlDreamer> Do you mean send it in wget?  If so, then no.
07:08 <@preaction> i just shot a few things in the dark, but i think i fixed it
07:08 <+perlDreamer> committed?
07:08 <@preaction> it does mean that JT and/or someone is going to need to specify a protocol for Url and Content handlers
07:09 <@preaction> it is now
07:10 <@preaction> i remember reading something about 404 being the default mod_perl responce unless you send something better
07:10 <+perlDreamer> yup, it works here, too
07:11 <+perlDreamer> the only strange error I get now is a JS error with cool_menus
07:11 <@preaction> coolmenus suck, and i think with the new YUI Menu module we can finally get rid of the damned thing
07:11 <+perlDreamer> sounds good
07:12 <@preaction> what would you think if you could create multiple views for an SQLReport, giving them each a different template and style?
07:13 <@preaction> i've got an idea to build a Report framework sort of thing, that allows multiple view configurations and multiple view methods (view all, view paginated, search)
07:13 <@preaction> something that can be extended to make writing reports easier
07:14 <+perlDreamer> Kind of like moving the shortcut/override functionality into the SQL Report?
07:14 <@preaction> imho, something that other web frameworks have that we don't: easily extensible application / asset classes
07:14 <@preaction> ha, we do have shortcuts
07:15 <+perlDreamer> well, it might be more efficient if it was moved into the asset.
07:15 <+perlDreamer> get the data once, display in several reports
07:15 <@preaction> plus the additional feature of different view methods, makes it into a sort of "build your own application with this data"
07:16 <@preaction> i was writing some SQLReports to do RSS feeds, which is kinda ... extreme
07:16 <+perlDreamer> yes it is
07:16 <+perlDreamer> that's how I implemented an RSS feed for podcasts on the church site
07:17 <@preaction> but if i could write a report framework, write a new report class for that data (special client database connection), then instead of an SQLReport, i can configure a new ClientDataReport view (ClientData being some descriptive name of whatever)
07:17 <@preaction> componentalize, if that's a word, assets
07:17 <@preaction> SubscribeFramework, ReportFramework, FeedFramework
07:18 < CIA-19> WebGUI: doug * r5199 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (URL/Content.pm Content/Asset.pm): proposed fix for strange cache issue
07:18 <+perlDreamer> Is the FeedFramework different from the Asset/RSS module mix-ins?
07:19 <@preaction> the RSSCapable and RSSFromParent are going to be removed someday, JT's not a fan and neither am I really. RSSCapable is a good idea with a bad implementation. RSSFromParent is just stupid
07:19 <@preaction> but, it'd be along the lines of RSSCapable
07:20 <+perlDreamer> in that case, generalized interfaces for subscription to assets, reports and RSS is a great idea
07:20 <@preaction> depending on the Widgitizing framework thing that Frank and (i think) Chris did
07:20 <@preaction> the widgitizing thing might fulfill the same hole
07:22 <+perlDreamer> I haven't heard anything about that
07:22 <@preaction> i haven't heard anything outside of it exists / will exist
07:22 <@preaction> something like Google's widgit things
07:23 <@preaction> only bolted into webgui, available for any asset
07:24 <+perlDreamer> cool
07:24 <@preaction> i hope. i worry a lot about seemingly simple things being added
07:25 <@preaction> but then, i worry about API / forward-compatibility far too much
07:25 <+perlDreamer> more than the 5 year guarantee?
07:25 <+perlDreamer> or being stuck with a bad API for so long?
07:25 <@preaction> yes
07:26 <@preaction> so much so that i've been dreaming up ways to change API but keep compatibility, and do so in a nice Perly way 
07:27 <+perlDreamer> speaking of Perly ways, have you been following the whole 5.10 stuff?
07:30 <@preaction> not quite. i heard there were a couple bumps, but otherwise everything is a-ok
07:31 <@preaction> i'm far more interested in the parrot developers getting over some major roadblocks
07:31 <+perlDreamer> well, NQP is finally out the door, with enough oomph to keep the perl6 compiler guys busy for a while
07:31 <+perlDreamer> that should help a lot
07:31 <+perlDreamer> and, as time goes by, more and more perl6 gets backported to perl5
07:31 <@preaction> which is kinda weird imho
07:32 <+perlDreamer> yeah, but we've needed say and // for a long time
07:32 <+perlDreamer> also, schwern has released this: http://use.perl.org/~schwern/journal/35206
07:32 <@preaction> why //? oh.. defined-or
07:32 <@preaction> auto-vivication ftw
07:33 <+perlDreamer> "ftw" ?
07:33 <@preaction> For The Win
07:33 <@preaction> (in a sarcastic sense here)
07:33 <+perlDreamer> gotcha ;)
07:34 <@preaction> Method::Signatures is interesting, as long as we don't start getting "private method new ()"
07:34 <@preaction> god... it'll look just like Java...
07:34 <+perlDreamer> ew
07:35 <@preaction> Class::InsideOut is a mistake imho. the problem it solves but the obfuscation it causes is worse
07:35 <@preaction> haven't looked at Moose though
07:35 <+perlDreamer> I've heard that Moose is slow-ish.
07:36 <@preaction> wouldn't doubt it
07:36 <+perlDreamer> but I think the Perl 6 object model was based on it, or vice versa
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07:50 <+perlDreamer> crap: http://www.xconomy.com/2007/12/20/a-big-drop-in-the-bucket-for-drupal/
07:52 <@preaction> good on them, but it's still PHP
07:53 <+perlDreamer> I agree, but 7e6 pays for a lot of nursing school.
07:53 <@preaction> yeah, a little bit
08:02 <+perlDreamer> I had another idea for Maker::Permission output.
08:02 <+perlDreamer> Right now it tells you which userId, which method, and which module it is testing
08:02 <+perlDreamer> but each user is usually there for a reason
08:03 <+perlDreamer> I am Visitor, I am an Editor, I have Turn On Admin privileges
08:03 <+perlDreamer> It would be nice to see that in the comments rather than the userId, perhaps via username.
08:03 <+perlDreamer> my $role = $user->username ? $user->username : $userId
08:03 <@preaction> are spaces legal in usernames?
08:04 <@preaction> even so, i agree
08:04 <+perlDreamer> I think they're legal
08:04 <@preaction> userId is basically useless
08:04 <@preaction> except for 3 and 1
08:04 <+perlDreamer> yeah
08:04 <+perlDreamer> that's what the magic number page on the wiki is for
08:08 <+perlDreamer> My old form validator would be well written using the Test::Maker framework
08:18 < CIA-19> WebGUI: colin * r5200 /WebGUI/t/ (3 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)
08:18 < CIA-19> WebGUI: WebGUI::Test::Maker::Permission will now use usernames instead of userIds in comments
08:18 < CIA-19> WebGUI: if they are available.
08:18 < CIA-19> WebGUI: Move the getLanguage test out of the SKIP block dependent on install the PigLatin
08:18 < CIA-19> WebGUI: language pack.
08:18 < CIA-19> WebGUI: Update Maker users with usernames in Asset.t
08:18 < CIA-19> WebGUI: Add tests for assetAddPrivileges. These tests currently cause the Turn On Admin
08:33 < CIA-19> WebGUI: doug * r5201 /branch/photogallery: Delete photogallery branch since it's been merged into Core
08:33 < CIA-19> WebGUI: doug * r5202 /branch/doug-experimental: Creating my own experimental branch
08:37 <@preaction> i think i should set up a bash script / cron job that will automatically check in my changes to my experimental branch to make sure they're kept
08:40 <+perlDreamer> Sounds like a Tina Tuner song
08:40 <+perlDreamer> I have my private branches
08:40 <+perlDreamer> branches for money
08:40 <+perlDreamer> Boy, am I really dating myself
08:43 <@preaction> yeah... that's a few decades before my time ;p
08:43 <+perlDreamer> Watch it sonny, I'll whap you with my cane.
08:46 <+perlDreamer> I'm liking Maker::Permission more and more
08:46 <@preaction> yeah, i rewrote the Photo permissions tests in 10 minutes ;)
08:47 <+perlDreamer> time for board torture
08:47 <+perlDreamer> g'night
08:47 <@preaction> night
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08:48 < CIA-19> WebGUI: WGBP indent Asset::canView.
08:48 < CIA-19> WebGUI: Add coverage tests for canView.
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15:27 < teflond0n> whats the best way to go about putting webgui on a fresh install and importing your previous work on the site
15:28 < teflond0n> the box i had it on died - i can still boot as a firewire drive
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15:55 < teflond0n> where is the main webgui log located?
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16:10 < AMH_bob> I'd guess /var/log/webgui.log
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16:24 < wgGuest38> if you reinstall webgui do you have to go through the process of creating a new sql database
16:48 <+Radix_> depends why you reinstalled :)
16:49 <+Radix_> if you already have a mysql database and it's the same version of webgui, then you can reuse your old one (assuming it's not corrupted or anything)
16:52 < wgGuest38> pc wouldnt boot past load screen
16:52 < wgGuest38> but now sql will start and modperl wont :P
16:54 <+Radix_> okay.... before you reinstall..
16:54 <+Radix_> try rm -rf /tmp/WebGUICache/
16:54 <+Radix_> then restart
16:55 <+Radix_> that will delete the cache and any temporary files - which can sometimes cause startup issues
16:55 <+Radix_> if that doesn't work.. look at the modperl log file
16:58 < wgGuest38> Wish I would have had that info before - Already working on getting it set back up.  
16:58 < wgGuest38> I did copy the entire /data folder for backup - now its just a matter of getting everything running and that back in there...
16:58 < wgGuest38> checked the log and it had nothing in it
17:01 < wgGuest38> mod perl and mod proxy wont start but reinstalling fixed sql
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17:24 < wgGuest75> hello
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17:27 < wgGuest75> I have Anonymous Registration enabled, and I want to put a macro in the Default WebGUI Anonymous Registration Template
17:28 < wgGuest75> but the macro will be executed when the user saves your information
17:29 < wgGuest75> My question is where will be it called?
17:33 <+Radix_> Hmm.. sounds like you want a workflow, not a macro
17:33 <+Radix_> if you want something to be called only when you first sign up, then you can do this through a workflow I'm pretty sure
17:35 < wgGuest75> but I can put a macro or is not posible?
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17:42 < teflond0n> is it possible to just readd a site by dragging the old files into webgui ?
17:42 < teflond0n> I mean I have already created the site in webgui - I just need to reimport the files so to speak
17:43 <+Radix_> yeah, you will need the domains directory and all the config files to be copied across too
17:44 <+Radix_> the ones I can think of that you'll need are /data/WebGUI/etc /data/wre/etc and /data/wre/var
17:44 <+Radix_> assuming you're using the wre that is
17:44 < teflond0n> what exactly do you mean using the wre
17:45 <+Radix_> do you have a /data/wre/ directory?
17:46 < teflond0n> yes
17:46 <+Radix_> wre = webgui runtime environment
17:46 < teflond0n> gotcha
17:46 < teflond0n> is that different than the webgui web interface for the console?
17:47 <+Radix_> Oh.. hmm.. actually I haven't used the new web interface stuff - so I don't know how that works or if it does it differently
17:48 <+Radix_> I'm still using 0.7.1 of the wre here :)
17:49 < teflond0n> I dont blame you - once I get this working I won't mess with it :P
17:52 < wgGuest75> and now i have already a workflow assigned each a time a new user registers in my site
17:53 < wgGuest75> can i put both at the same time?
17:58 < wgGuest75> can i create a workflow and inside it calls another workflow?
17:58 < wgGuest75> or workflows?
17:59 <+Radix_> I think the interface only allows you to link it to one workflow, but I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to call another workflow from the workflow itself.
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18:03 < wgGuest75> i was checking the Default WebGUI Anonymous Registration Template and i want to know where are templates variables defined to create the form? 
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18:10 < wgGuest80> radix
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18:11 < teflondon> radix
18:11 < teflondon> do you know of any other folders i would need to copy over
18:11 < teflondon> other than the etc var and the other etc
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19:17 < teflondon> does anyone know of any cool things you can do with RandomAssetProxy other than just cycling random images
19:17 < BartJol> well
19:18 < BartJol> I once made an article, with some pageurl macro's
19:18 < nuba> cycling random text snippets?
19:19 < BartJol> oh, that was the assetproxy
19:19 < BartJol> yes like random links
19:19 < teflondon> text snippets would be fine
19:19 < teflondon> I have a small space I need to fill up with something education related.... famous quotes would work
19:21 < teflondon> ok - and now for the bigger problem
19:21 < teflondon> I am trying to import a list of usernames & pws
19:22 < teflondon> I know I should be able to do it using userImport.pl but I haven't had much luck with that yet
19:22 < teflondon> anyone have any suggestions?
19:26 < BartJol> eh, some patience, I will look
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19:30 < BartJol> but what's gonig weong?
19:30 < BartJol> wrong
19:43 < teflondon> sec and I will try to get you the error msg
19:46 < teflondon> saying base class package "DateTime" is empty (perhaps you need to 'use' the module which defines that package first) at ../lib/WebGUI/DateTime.pm
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19:48 <+perlDreamer> teflondon: which version are you using?
19:48 < teflondon> 8.0
19:49 < teflondon> 0.8.0 i mean
19:49 <+perlDreamer> webgui version?
19:50 < teflondon> whats the easiest way to tell
19:50 < nuba> webgui version or wre version?
19:50 < teflondon> webgui
19:51 <+perlDreamer> as admin, to into the admin console and hit Statistics
19:51 < teflondon> 7.4.19
19:52 < nuba> or else, hit any page of your webgui setup, and check the source for a line like this:
19:52 < nuba> <meta name="generator" content="WebGUI 7.4.19" />
19:52 < teflondon> gotcha
19:52 < nuba> or else check the page properties for that meta tag
19:53 < teflondon> I know in DateTime.pm it shows use base 'DateTime'; but I don't know where or how thats defined
19:58 < teflondon> oh and has anyone here purchased the admin guide for webgui - and if so did you find it useful?
19:59 < BartJol> sorry teflondon, I'm afrad I cam't help you very much, in a few days I will have my own webgui in a testenvironment
19:59 < BartJol> then I can break stuff
19:59 < BartJol> :)
19:59 < teflondon> lol
20:00 < teflondon> well we had already had this one die once - thankfully it was on a mac not a pc and was able to salvage it
20:00 < BartJol> my boss wil get annoyed when I do that on live servers
20:00 < teflondon> I know the feeling
20:01 < teflondon> has anyone configured an ldap server to work with webgui?
20:02 < teflondon> or know where the user database is for webgui?
20:02 < teflondon> possibly i can just dump the necessary users info in or something
20:07 < teflondon> I just found a problem - when logging out in the calender events it goes to the initial style3 login page - how do I change that to redirect back to hom
20:07 < teflondon> home*
20:19 < BartJol> in the template there also is a login macro
20:19 < BartJol> in my 7.3.22 it is PBtmpl0000000000000092
20:19 < BartJol> sorry uses
20:19 < BartJol> maybe it's in there that you can configure the link location
20:20 < BartJol> so to be clear: the macro (^L();) uses a template with ID PBtmpl0000000000000092
20:21 < BartJol> you should check whether it is the same template ID
20:21 <+perlDreamer> if the calendar is configured not to be viewable by Visitor, it takes you to the login screen
20:21 <+perlDreamer> no way to change that
20:21 <+perlDreamer> unless you make that calendar viewable to visitor
20:21 < ckotil> BartJol: here's my ^L macro.   ^L("","","PBtmpl0000000000000092");
20:22 < BartJol> yeah, but can you not configure the logout link in the calender template to take you to the homepage?
20:22 < teflondon> I don't mind it being visible to viewer - but I do have certain functions they have to log in for
20:22 < BartJol> while being on the same url, sure you can't change that
20:23 < teflondon> ok i found it - doesnt work exactly like I want but atleast it maintains the site appearance on the random logout
20:24 <+perlDreamer> Bartjol: no, it's a function of the basic, internal wG permissions
20:24 <+perlDreamer> gotta scoot to the gym
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20:25 < teflondon> it didnt actually change it - just a different setting
20:26 < BartJol> ah, that's nice then
20:28 < teflondon> bartjol - did you say you had a way to cycle random text using RandomAssetProxy?
20:29 < teflondon> or better yet
20:30 < teflondon> a way to display like a shortlist of upcoming calender events?
20:30 < BartJol> well
20:31 < BartJol> you can place snippets in a folder
20:31 < BartJol> if the snippets contain let's say quotes, you can refer to the url of the folder and let a random quote appear
20:32 < BartJol> but a short list with different events is hard
20:33 < BartJol> because the random factor can take the same event at random
20:34 < teflondon> it doesnt even have to be Random - I would just like to display a list that is say for the next 2weeks to a month
20:35 < BartJol> I've seen a random post function via sql reports
20:35 < BartJol> mmm
20:35 < teflondon> what about ...   the favicon
20:35 < teflondon> anyone use that with webgui?
20:35 < BartJol> not me
20:37 < nuba> BartJol: you can do things like SELECT foo FROM bar ORDER BY RAND() LIMIT 1;
20:37 < nuba> to sample a random foo 
20:37 < nuba> with a SQL query
20:38 < teflondon> bb in a few  - running to check on some wiring drops being installed
20:39 < BartJol> well my sql isn't rusty, it's iron ore\
20:39 < nuba> heh
20:39 < BartJol> not developed (yet)
20:40 < nuba> one is always heating and hammering it
20:40 < nuba> no matter how experienced you are :)
20:42 < BartJol> but my dinner is being prepared, long live different timezones
20:43 < BartJol> be back later, i'll get a beer
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22:45 < teflondon> anyone had any thoughts while i was gone pertaining to the userimport.pl not working because of the DateTime.pl
22:48 <+perlDreamer> Can you please paste the error again?
22:48 < CIA-19> WebGUI: colin * r5204 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Asset.t: add some more comments to make sure that nothing bad happens
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22:57 < dionak> hey guys. 
22:58 < dionak> did anyone enter the navigation template contest?
22:58 < dionak> looks like we missed the deadline
22:59 < teflondon> the error is saying base class package "DateTime" is empty (perhaps you need to 'use' the module which defines that package first) at ../lib/WebGUI/DateTime.pm 
23:01 < BartJol> >diona think that martin wanted to, but didn't have the time since is working on his graduation project
23:01 < teflondon> is there any other way to import users into a user database for webgui?
23:01 < teflondon> i dont mind manually doing groups but the individual setups of 500 people wont be fun
23:05 < dionak> is JT on? Curious if I could still submit..
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23:05 < dionak> teflondon: besides the WG import user utility script?
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23:31 <+perlDreamer> dionak: JT is offline
23:31 <+perlDreamer> afaik, 7.5 is still open for committing
23:31 < dionak> ok, thanks. 
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23:52 <+perlDreamer> dionak: Have you read Perl Best Practices?
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02:33 < CIA-19> WebGUI: Add a test for getting the whole language property hash.
02:33 < CIA-19> WebGUI: Reformat the getLanguage method according to WGBP.
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20:44 < BartJo1> hi rizen, liked fear and loathing?
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21:03 < CIA-20> WebGUI: jt * r5207 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Added a new plugin handler system that is both faster and more secure.
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21:52 < CIA-20> WebGUI: jt * r5207 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Added a new plugin handler system that is both faster and more secure.
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22:59 < CIA-20> WebGUI: jt * r5207 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Added a new plugin handler system that is both faster and more secure.
23:04 < CIA-20> WebGUI: jt * r5207 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Added a new plugin handler system that is both faster and more secure.
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23:20 < CIA-20> WebGUI: jt * r5208 /WebGUI/t/Pluggable.t: test suite for new pluggable system
23:21 < nuba> how do you guys usually go about multiple domains + multiple roots?
23:22 < nuba> i've done it with modproxy virtualhosts, the usual but added a rewrite rule to catch requests for /
23:22 < nuba> and point it to each domains's default page
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23:23 < nuba> now, from any given domain, you can still open an asset under another domains's root, if you know the url to it.
23:34 < CIA-20> WebGUI: jt * r5207 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Added a new plugin handler system that is both faster and more secure.
23:34 < CIA-20> WebGUI: jt * r5208 /WebGUI/t/Pluggable.t: test suite for new pluggable system
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19:08 <@rizen> who remember's what maxscience's alterego username was on the web site?
19:08 <@rizen> i'm trying to find the conversation where he said that webgui was crap
19:08 <@rizen> but it was the best piece of crap out there
19:08 <@rizen> so that's why he's using it
19:09 < nuba> heh
19:12 < nuba> maybe googling for "webgui sucks" will bring it up
19:20 < BartJol> wasn't it fathertorque?
19:20 <@rizen> there you go
19:20 <@rizen> oh no
19:21 <@rizen> that's his new incarnation
19:21 < BartJol> i'm usefull for something
19:21 < BartJol> yeah
19:21 <@rizen> there's one inbetween there
19:21 < BartJol> oh
19:22 < BartJol> probably mr hairgrease knows
19:23 < BartJol> he was quite irrtated by him
19:24 <@rizen> yeah, he doesn't seem to be around now though. i'll have to ask him later
19:25 < BartJol> well  he's quite busy graduating and celebrating new years eve (and skiing) so you'd better mail him
19:25 <@rizen> good idea
19:29 < nuba> (reposting this question from yesterday) how do you guys usually go about multiple domains + multiple roots?
19:29 < nuba> i've done it with modproxy virtualhosts, the usual but added a rewrite rule to catch requests for / and point it to each domains's default page
19:29 < nuba> now, from any given domain, you can still open an asset under another domains's root, if you know the url to it.
19:29 < nuba> -- i noticed that happens in plainblack.com/webgui.org as well
19:29 < nuba> just now, while searching for "webgui sucks"
19:30 < BartJol> ah, well you also can add a javascript at the root, I have it somewhere
19:30 < nuba> hitting both http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki and http://www.plainblack.com/community-wiki works
19:30 < BartJol> :)
19:30 <@rizen> right
19:30 < nuba> yeah I thought of adding a js check at the template
19:30 <@rizen> but that's acutally good for us
19:30 <@rizen> because google indexes it twice
19:30 <@rizen> =)
19:31 < nuba> i think i've heard exactly the opposite
19:31 < nuba> if you serve the same content on different urls
19:31 < nuba> some people will like here, some there
19:31 < nuba> and it will be indexed each time for each place it's served
19:32 < nuba> however the "link weight" will be diluted between the number of instances of the same content
19:32 <@rizen> we use two different virtual hosts for plainblack.com and webgui.org, but on some servers we just use one vhost and some rewrite rules
19:32 <@rizen> link weight isn't all that important for us, we're already ranked so high with both domains
19:32 < nuba> i see
19:34 < BartJol> wanna have that script nuba, saves you some time
19:34 < BartJol> ?
19:34 <@rizen> in our case we use two different vhosts because we have so many rewrite rules
19:34 <@rizen> that it made it easier to separate them
19:34 < BartJol> that's for 1 vhost
19:34 < nuba> BartJol: sure, thanks for the offering. please mail to nuba@fastmail.fm
19:34 <@rizen> but on most sites we use one vhost with rewrite rules
19:34 < BartJol> ok
19:36 < nuba> you know, i can imagine webgui checking the current page's root against the ENV{HTTP_HOST} and redirecting accordingly
19:36 < nuba> but I would need to add that info to the root
19:37 < nuba> would be a ugly hack
19:38 < nuba> but then, the HTTP redirect would be beautiful :)
19:39 < nuba> and non-js-enabled-spider-bot-friendly ;)
19:42 < BartJol> should be arriving in you mailbox, I will check whether there where some changes to the configuration as well
19:42 < BartJol> but it should only be adding the domain names
19:44 < nuba> got it, looks okay, thanks!
19:44 < BartJol> no, only adding sitenames
19:48 < BartJol> i'm off cooking, no pannenkoeken
19:48 < nuba> have fun
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21:09 < perlmonkey2> When does the WebGUI developers guide come out?
21:10 <@preaction> when it's done, i expect end of january or end of february, but don't quote me on that
21:13 < perlmonkey2> heh, cool, thanks
21:14 <@preaction> now that i think of it, probably more towards end of feb. last call for chapters is middle/end of jan
21:20 < perlmonkey2> Good, looks like there are a couple of new features that I'd want in there.
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21:46 < perlmonkey2> For WebGUI's new survey, is it okay to use the body onload event?  Does WebGUI use it otherwise?
21:46 < perlmonkey2> I don't think WebGUI does as the body tag is left to the discression of the template.
21:48 <@preaction> don't use body onload="", use Yahoo.util.Event.addListener (or better still, onContentReady or onDOMReady)
21:58 < perlmonkey2> groovy!
21:59 < perlmonkey2> wow, that is a pain in the arse over onload
22:03 <@preaction> but it's better programming practice
22:04 <@preaction> there can only be one onload="", but you can attach as many addListener(body, "load", function);
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02:48 < xdanger> tell rizen that maxscience was later on iPhoneGuy
04:04 < nuba> wiki is overlinking, is fixing that a bug or more like a RFE?
04:04 <@preaction> that's been discussed. there's an RFE there for fixing it
04:04 < nuba> overlinking is well described here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_%28links%29
04:04 < nuba> ok
04:05 <@preaction> i proposed some sort of wiki-markup to do it, but was mostly rejected by JT (since wiki markup isn't easy to use)
04:05 <@preaction> it still exists though so pump some karma if you want to see it
04:07 < nuba> let me check the wiki code, bbiab
04:19 < nuba> at line 129 of "./Asset/Wobject/WikiMaster.pm"
04:19 < nuba>     129                     $text =~ s{$regexp}{'<a href="' . $mapping{lc $1} . '">' . $1 . '</a>'}xmseg;
04:20 < nuba> if instead of concatenating the value of $mapping{lc $1}
04:20 < nuba> between '<a href="' and etc.
04:21 < nuba> we had a call to a sub which would output the link for $mapping{lc $1} the first time, 
04:21 < nuba> and just $mapping{lc $1} the next time
04:21 < nuba> that would work
04:22 < nuba> however instead of $mapping{lc $1} being built as a scalar it would help to built it as a hashref
04:22 < nuba> so you would have $mapping{lc $1}->{url} and $mapping{lc $1}->{alreadylinked} to use
04:23 < nuba> currently the scalar $mapping{lc $1} stores only the url
04:24 <@preaction> you could even just put that code right in the handler, the code to determine if it's been linked or not
04:24 < nuba> well, you just need a flag and a place to set it :)
04:24 <@preaction> that might be an acceptable solution that everyone can agree on for the overlinking, but it doesn't solve the false-positives
04:25 <@preaction> but i'd submit it anyway, it'll probably get approved
04:26 < nuba> may I? or would you want to do it?
04:27 <@preaction> i have my own, the overlinking problem is something different
04:27 < nuba> or do you suggest just posting the comments above to the discussion ?
04:27 <@preaction> a patch would probably be better
04:30 < nuba> is this your rfe? http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/improve-wiki-linking
04:31 < nuba> i got nothing searching for 'overlinking', or 'false-positives' at the rfe's search
04:31 <@preaction> yeah, that's the one
04:32 <@preaction> i propose that the way we're doing wiki linking is enherently broken
04:32 < nuba> i agree
04:34 < nuba> i believe generating wiki pages is an editorial process, and deciding what/where to link is important to the quality of the page
04:35 < nuba> I'd rather have wiki markup instead of automated linking
04:35 <@preaction> i agree
04:35 <@preaction> but if anyone has a more intuitive solution, i'm all for that too
04:49 < nuba> i think a hack to get wikimedia-style markup going could be using Template Toolkit + Text::MediawikiFormat
04:50 < nuba> possibly with TT's EVAL_PERL option and [% PERL %] #stuff here [% END %]
04:50 < nuba> or maybe that could be added as a TT filter
04:52 <@preaction> sounds ugly
04:52 < nuba> heh indeed
04:53 < nuba> told you it was a hack
04:53 <@preaction> i would prefer a TinyMCE plugin that did something the program could pick up
04:53 <@preaction> so wiki markup, hidden by a tinymce plugin
04:54 <@preaction> but we may be moving to the YUI RTE, so that might become even more possible soon
04:55 < nuba> check the TinyMCE patch at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WYSIWYG_editor
05:01 < nuba> just make sure you don't skip reading the "limitations" section before patching your local tinymce :/
06:49 < CIA-19> WebGUI: jt * r5209 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Pluggable.pm: oops, forgot to add this to svn
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18:21 < perlmonkey2> I have a minor design question for the new survey system.  Should I hard code question types and rules into the JS?  Or should those be loaded from the Perl.  This would keep the display code seperate from the functional.  I'm not sure this is even possible as each question and answer type will require custom JS code, so I might as well hard code it.
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18:46 < perlmonkey2> Is this a coloc or PB's own site? http://www.plainblack.com/tbb/data-center
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01:03 < CIA-19> WebGUI: colin * r5210 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/International.pm: 
01:03 < CIA-19> WebGUI: Switch to using WebGUI::Pluggable.
01:03 < CIA-19> WebGUI: Remove tabs and prettify the code.
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03:28 < Udu> Hi, are there any guides on installing the latest webgui release on ubuntu 7.10 server? I've checked the wiki and it's not ...
03:29 <@preaction> WebGUI or WRE? there's a WRE guide, and a general WebGUI Source Install guide
03:30 < Udu> Which would be more suited? I'm and intermediate linux user :-) I'm not scared of source installs but are there any caveats?
03:31 <@preaction> none that i'm aware of besides the ease of use: WRE has helped scripts and applications to administer WebGUI sites, add/remove/edit
03:31 <@preaction> w/o the WRE you'd need to do so manually
03:32 <@preaction> i've been meaning to take the initiative to use the WRE support libs and build a core distribution that can be put in distro package systems, but i have other things i'm working on
03:33 <@preaction> iow, if you want to muck about and don't want the overhead in memory/proc/diskspace having the WRE, feel free to source install
03:33 <@preaction> either here, or the community forums, can help with either one
03:35 <@preaction> also may want to search webgui.org, there's plenty of install reports / threads about issues
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04:33 < CIA-19> WebGUI: colin * r5211 /WebGUI/t/ (Session/Scratch.t Group.t Asset/Asset.t): 
04:33 < CIA-19> WebGUI: Clean up left-over scratch in two tests to try and get
04:33 < CIA-19> WebGUI: Workflow/Activity/DeleteExpiredSessions to work in the smoke
04:33 < CIA-19> WebGUI: tests.
04:33 < CIA-19> WebGUI: Comment out the two failing tests in Asset.t until my bug
04:33 < CIA-19> WebGUI: gets answered. Turns out you can't TODO them because
04:33 < CIA-19> WebGUI: it requires using Test::Builder instead of Test::More.
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14:51 < AMH_bob> Morning
14:51 < AMH_bob> (at least over there)
14:52 < BartJol> well it's afternoon here
14:54 < AMH_bob> :p
14:55 < AMH_bob> SDuensin always says Morning after logging in, if I can, I'll try and beat him to it!
15:33 < BartJol> :)
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16:39 < BartJo1> fap 
16:39 < BartJo1> sorry
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21:45 < perlmonkey2> everyone order an OLPC today (last day in the US).  On Ebay they are already going for more than $400.  So if it sucks and is not useable as an ultra portable, you can sell it in 6 months recouping your cost.  Or it could rawk and be a great ultra portable, and you'll have helped a kid in need either way.
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23:48 < CIA-19> WebGUI: re test #6. Making the hash ref a bag causes an automatic mismatch and interferes with
23:48 < CIA-19> WebGUI: test diagnostics.
23:48 < CIA-19> WebGUI: Test fails due to a mismatch in the assetSize param in the first (and probably further)
23:48 < CIA-19> WebGUI: entry of the loop. Marked as TODO.
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