--- Log opened Thu Nov 01 00:00:08 2007
00:19 <+MrHairgrease> oh man
00:19 <+MrHairgrease> spectre is so cool!
00:19 <+MrHairgrease> thanks for creating it!
00:43 <+Radix_> ?
00:44  * Radix_ likes the new WebGUI roadmap, but wonders why he got four copies of the same email.
00:48 <@preaction> might've been Tavis editing it a bit, or maybe he cross-posted
00:50 <+Radix_> might want to mention to tavis that editing it does that so he knows in future :)
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03:53 <+perlDreamer> mighty quiet tonight
03:53 <+perlDreamer> Is everyone trick or treating?
04:23 <@apeiron> Been pretty dead around here with regard to that. About 10 people the entire night.
04:23 <@apeiron> And it's 10:30 here.
04:24 <@apeiron> Might be because the kids have school the next day or something. I dunno.
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15:30 < SDuensin> Greetings.
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15:39 < AMH_bob> And greetings to you too!
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15:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI: graham * r4921 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (7 files in 5 dirs): Matrix hoverhelp fixes
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16:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: graham * r4922 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (2 files in 2 dirs): more matrix hoverhelp fixes
16:33 < CIA-18> WebGUI: graham * r4923 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.4.12 release
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16:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI: jt * r4924 /releases/WebGUI_7.4.12-stable: Release 7.4.12-stable
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17:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI: graham * r4925 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (4 files in 4 dirs): preparing for 7.4.13 dev
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20:33 < CIA-18> WebGUI: graham * r4926 /WebGUI/ (9 files in 5 dirs): merging 7.4 changes
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22:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: jt * r4928 /wrebuild/wre/ (docs/changelog.txt sbin/wreconsole.pl): fix: WRE 0.8 Services Controller screen lists apache's in the wrong order.
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01:08 < wgGuest48> root/tempspace, what is it used for?
01:09 <@preaction_> temporary files
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06:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: colin * r4929 /WebGUI/ (t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm lib/WebGUI/Session/Privilege.pm): 
06:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: Add a missing use line in Session/Privilege.pm.
06:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: Try to completely clean up all session related stuff from each test.
06:33 < CIA-18> WebGUI: colin * r4930 /WebGUI/t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm: var->end already does a scratch->deleteAll
06:34 <@rizen> root/tempspace is used for temporary assets. currently just the wiki uploads
06:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI: colin * r4931 /WebGUI/t/ (3 files in 3 dirs): add a test stub for DeleteExpiredSessions. To be filled in soon :)
07:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: colin * r4932 /WebGUI/t/Workflow/Activity/DeleteExpiredSessions.t: add plan for testing. Fill in with code later
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13:03 <+Radix_> How goes it bartjol? :)  Got your license yet?
13:03 < bartjol> not jet
13:03 < bartjol> yet
13:03 <+Radix_> still working at it eh? :)
13:04 < bartjol> how is thee gooey underwear
13:04 <+Radix_> underwear?
13:04 < bartjol> sure
13:04 < bartjol> gooey strings for men
13:04 <+MrHairgrease> bart
13:04 <+Radix_> Umm.. I think koen is the only one with those
13:04 <+MrHairgrease> time for lunch!
13:04 <+Radix_> enjoy :)
13:04 < bartjol> they don't excist
13:05 < bartjol> ah...
13:05 < bartjol> lunch!
13:05 <+MrHairgrease> yes
13:05 <+MrHairgrease> lunch
13:07 < bartjol> surry raqdix, I was confused
13:07 < bartjol> thought you were one of them plainblack guys
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13:09 <+Radix_> lol
13:58 < bartjol> bye
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15:25 < SDuensin> FRIDAY!!!!!
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16:11 < nutrino> TGIF
16:11 < nutrino> TGIPD
16:11 <@rizen> TGIPD?
16:13 < nutrino> pay day
16:13 < nutrino> one could even go as far as saying TGIN
16:13 < nutrino> november ;)
17:03 <@rizen> TGNEUAFE
17:03 <@rizen> thank god not everyone uses abbreviations for everything
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18:09 < wgGuest19> What is the easiest way to load WebGUI to a linux server?
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18:29 <@khenn> download the WRE 0.8.0 and run the setup
18:29 <@khenn> it will download and install webgui for you
18:29 <@khenn> and set up the enviornment
18:29 <@khenn> environment even =p
18:32 < wgGuest19> i loaded the files onto linux with ftp server
18:33 < wgGuest19> how do I set the set environment from there?
18:39 < nuba> dont you have a shell there?
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18:40 < wgGuest19> what is a shell ?
18:40 < nuba> do you own the box, or have root privs there?
18:41 < nuba> can you ssh to it, and "do stuff"?
18:41 < wgGuest19> its a student account
18:42 <@apeiron> And they let you have modperl?
18:42 < nuba> download the wre, read the included documentation, and check the webgui wiki
18:42 < nuba> if you dont understand whats involved, you better get a hosted webgui somewhere else,
18:43 < nuba> or get yourself someone to help you, someone who'll understand it
18:43 < wgGuest19> ok, thanks
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18:43 < nuba> or else prepare yourself to spend some considerable amount of time experimenting with it and raising your level so that you'll understand it
18:43 < nuba> oh he left already
18:43 < nuba> bummer
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19:33 < perlDreamer> Do I have to create a workflow to house a workflow activity that I want to test?
19:33 < perlDreamer> or can I just have it standalone?
19:34 < perlDreamer> oh, and SynQ, 3 out of 4 Kuskies love stroopwaffles
19:34 <@rizen> for now you need a workflow
19:34 < perlDreamer> and #4 is just being stubborn :)
19:34 <@rizen> i'm working on a stand alone tester, but it doesn't work yet
19:35 < perlDreamer> So I can't just do : MyActivity->new($session); $activity->execute()
19:38 <@rizen> you can, but then you also have to do the work that the workflow engine does
19:38 <@rizen> meaning create the objects that need to be passed in to execute
19:41 < perlDreamer> This is deleteExpiredSessions, I may try the cheap way since it doesn't take any objects
19:41 < perlDreamer> but I won't go crazy on testing the rest yet
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20:01 < perlDreamer> Haarg: Contrary to our previous discussion, I'm working on merging my latest test fix back into 7.4
20:02 < perlDreamer> it should make testing 7.4 previous to release easier
20:02 < perlDreamer> s/previous/prior/
20:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: colin * r4933 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fix a session bug where, when using noFuss, user session scratch was not cleaned up
20:03 < perlDreamer> yes, that's the one
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20:13 < elnino> where do I find out what uilevel I need to give a user in order to give them a particluar wobject?
20:14 < perlDreamer> short answer: this has been answered in the wiki and the forums before
20:14 < perlDreamer> long answer: it's a combination of source code and WebGUI config file
20:17 <@apeiron> I'm having issues getting the test for Spectre::Workflow (just checked in, you should see it once CIA wakes up) to properly return data. I'm absolutely certain there are active workflows (and the test adds one, just to be absolutely certain), because running spectre.pl --status shows them. Why am I getting an empty hashref in my test as a return from getJsonStatus? Yes, I've commented out the line that returns '{}' if no site is passe
20:17 < perlDreamer> apeiron, I think you got clipped
20:17 <@apeiron> perlDreamer: At which point, please?
20:18 < perlDreamer> "if no site is passe"
20:18 < perlDreamer> I've thought that sites may have been passe'
20:18 < elnino> perlDreamer - I looked on the wiki, didn't see any there. And in the config file, it just has a list of wobject, and no uilevels in it....?
20:18 <@apeiron> heh
20:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: colin * r4934 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (6 files in 6 dirs): backport fix from trunk and document session scratch bugfix
20:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: colin * r4935 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: forward port changelog from user session scratch bugfix
20:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: chrisn * r4936 /WebGUI/ (lib/Spectre/Workflow.pm t/Spectre/Workflow.t t/Spectre): 
20:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: Work towards having Spectre::Workflow::getJsonStatus return information about
20:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: all sites, needed for munging workflow monitoring into wremonitor.pl.
20:19 <@apeiron> perlDreamer: Looks like it's just missing a 'd.'
20:19 <@apeiron> "Yes, I've commented out the line that returns '{}' if no site is passed." <-- that's the end of my statement
20:21 < elnino> the only applicable wiki I could find was this: http://www.plainblack.com/community-wiki/ui-levels but it doesn't tell me anything about the levesl of each object.
20:23 < perlDreamer> you're right.  I was confusing that (form fields) with the overall UI level for the Asset.
20:23 < perlDreamer> In that case, it looks like reading through the source code.
20:24 < perlDreamer> the default is 1, unless specified in the definition sub
20:24 < perlDreamer> or overridden in the WebGUI config file
20:26 < elnino> hmm. second time you mentioned webgui config file.. Is there a special statement in there that can set the ui level?  I didn't see anything there. I have 7.3.22, but was using 7.21 Maybe my config file doesn't have it because I've upgraded without changing my config file?
20:27 < perlDreamer> that is possible
20:27 < perlDreamer> when referred to the WebGUI config file, it always pays to read WebGUI.conf.original
20:28 < elnino> so If I upgrade a user from 5 to 9 to get additional wojects, what else are they going to have access to other than the additional wobject. You mentioned form fields? - like??
20:29 < perlDreamer> some tabs in the edit forms have uiLevels that are higher than 5
20:29 < perlDreamer> additional settings like cache timeout
20:30 < perlDreamer> which wobject would you like to give your content managers access to/
20:31 < elnino> I just did it the hardway.. by increasing the ui level one at a time to see when they would get the redirect wobject.  I'll look in the original www config file to see if there are statements in there that I canadd to mine. Thanks!
20:35 < perlDreamer> I'll work on adding a page to the wiki.
20:35 < perlDreamer> If you'd like to help out, it would be great.
20:36 < elnino> yep, I'm going thru all the ui's and documentingn it, so I can put in the wobject stuff in. I was going to put it up there on the ui-levels' page, but if you want to start a different page, that would be great too.
20:37 < perlDreamer> http://www.plainblack.com/community-wiki/asset-ui-levels
20:37 < perlDreamer> It could use some formatting help, but it's a start
20:38 < perlDreamer> note, in order to get to the table, you have to edit the HTML directly
20:39 < perlDreamer> the RTE table controls aren't enabled for the webgui.org wiki
20:39 < elnino> that's fine.  ok, I'm almost done. I suppose there may have some changees, but at least it documents 7.3.22
20:39 < elnino> alsmost done with my changing of ui's that is, I'll get to the wiki soon.
20:39 < perlDreamer> :)
20:50 < elnino> perldreamer. hmm, my results were different than yours... did you over ride yours? or maybe they are different between versions? I have 7.3.22
20:51 <@apeiron> apeiron-- # not realising I need to restart spectre and not just modperl when mucking with /data/WebGUI/lib/Spectre/* modules
20:52 <@apeiron> Good thing is, the code that I could swear up down left right and sideways is right actually *is* right. :)
20:54 < perlDreamer> elnino: I used a quick and dirty find/grep script to pull out the data.  It could be wrong, but it should be double checked against the source code.
20:54 < perlDreamer> which ones do you think are wrong?
20:55 < perlDreamer> Also, if anyone has a non-WRE WebGUI running on Suse, debian or Ubuntu, I'd love to see what you think of this bug: http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/failing-sql_t-test-in-nightly-smoke-tests#SETlh5pZ68XBr7GrgqmPeQ
20:58  * perlDreamer goes away for a while for lunch
20:58 < perlDreamer> bbl
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21:10 < elnino> I posted mine under a different column, in case your's was a different version. i'm assuming you have 7.4.x  Everyone else is welcome to correct our info!
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21:33 < CIA-18> WebGUI: chrisn * r4937 /WebGUI/ (lib/Spectre/Workflow.pm t/Spectre/Workflow.t): 
21:33 < CIA-18> WebGUI: Fixups for the tests. I moved the nested key checking into a TODO block. I'm
21:33 < CIA-18> WebGUI: not sure how to handle them, as they may / may not exist in the %output hash.
21:33 < CIA-18> WebGUI: Sometimes they'll pass, sometimes they won't, depending upon the time you run
21:33 < CIA-18> WebGUI: it and the status of Spectre overall.
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23:09 < perlDreamer> apeiron, in your ref checks, try using ref_ok or isa_ok
23:10 < perlDreamer> they will save you a lot of typing :)
23:10 <@apeiron> perlDreamer++ Ah, okay, thanks. :)
23:11 < perlDreamer> I've been learning tons from O'Reilly's Perl Test Developers book.  I highly recommend it.
23:11 <@apeiron> Ooh, the Developer's Notebook one?
23:11 < perlDreamer> Yeah, by Ian Langworth and chromatic
23:12 <@apeiron> Sounds good. I'll need to check into it. Thanks for the reminder. :)
23:13 < perlDreamer> It's cool to see some spectre tests.  I'm glad you're writing them.
23:14 < perlDreamer> I hacked together a crude Workflow Activity test today, for deleteExpiredSessions to fix a bug found by mlamar
23:15 <@preaction> you could build a WebGUI::Test::Maker for workflow activities, just throwing that out there
23:15 <@preaction> one for Macros would probably be nice too
23:16 < perlDreamer> I'll look into that.
23:16 < perlDreamer> It will give me a reason to use that and really learn how it works.
23:16 <@preaction> it's almost stupidly simple, but that's why it's awesome ;)
23:17 < perlDreamer> apeiron, Test::Deep may be a good read, too.
23:17 < perlDreamer> It's nice for easily validating data structures.
23:17 <@apeiron> hmm.
23:17 <@preaction> is_deeply works, no?
23:18 < perlDreamer> yes, but it's kind of like hatchets instead of chain saws for cutting down trees
23:18 <@preaction> ahh
23:18 <@preaction> i've been using is_deeply to compare arrays or hashes mostly, nothing truly complex yet
23:18 < perlDreamer> Once you move up to objects, it will help a lot.
23:19 < perlDreamer> This hash key contains an array ref which may not contains any words like foo
23:19 <@preaction> automatically sorts and does fun stuff like that? kind of like Storable::canonical?
23:19 <@preaction> ooooooh
23:19 < perlDreamer> yeah
23:20 < perlDreamer> have a look at t/DatabaseLink.t
23:21 < perlDreamer> near the create bank of tests for a cmp_deeply call
23:22 < perlDreamer> I also like using it just for the nice diagnostics when simple data structures fail.
23:22 < perlDreamer> is_deeply stops at the first difference
23:23 < perlDreamer> cmp_deeply goes the next mile and checks the whole structure and tells you what's extra and/or missing
23:26 <@apeiron> If I'm going to send email on behalf of WebGUI for an automated process (like, say, a monitor application), is there a method I can call to get a 'from' email address, like, say, the site administrator or something?
23:28 <@preaction> $session->config->get("companyEmail") i think
23:28 <@preaction> it's something in the settings, not config
23:29 <@preaction> so session->settings->get
23:29 <@apeiron> Ah, thank you.
23:29 <@preaction> it should be that From by default though
23:30 <@apeiron> (intelligent design)++
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00:53 < perlDreamer> So....
00:53 < perlDreamer> I noticed that my WRE bug hasn't been fixed yet.
00:53 < perlDreamer> What are you guys doing, trying to work for a living? ;)
00:57 <@preaction> s/to/to avoid/
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01:02 <@apeiron> A bit old, but nonetheless awesome: http://perlbuzz.com/project-hum/2007/10/perl-5100-nears-code-freeze-release.html
01:06 < perlDreamer> Do we know when the WRE will upgrade to 5.10?
01:06 < perlDreamer> or, if?
01:14 < perlDreamer> Warnock applies...
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01:39 <@apeiron> perlDreamer: Should've asked during the WUC. :)
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15:26 < BartJol> Hi Radix
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23:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: dionak * r4940 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: Added operation user rfe doc to changelog
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23:19 <@apeiron> meh. itunes declared DRM-crippled.
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17:08 <+MrHairgrease> hey rizen
17:08 <+MrHairgrease> do you have time to think along a bit?
17:09 <@rizen> i have 4 minutes before I have to leave the house.
17:09 <@rizen> can you think that quickly?
17:09 <+MrHairgrease> prolly not
17:09 <@rizen> if so, i'm all yours
17:09 <+MrHairgrease> i'll write something on the dev list 
17:10 <@rizen> ok. 
17:10 <@rizen> sorry
17:10 <+MrHairgrease> it has to do with the Post/Thread thing
17:10 <+MrHairgrease> no problem
17:10 <+MrHairgrease> it's your weekend too =)
17:10 <@rizen> ok, yeah, throw it out there and i'll read and respond later
17:10 <+MrHairgrease> ok
17:10 <+MrHairgrease> thanks
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20:52 < wgGuest55> Hello, this is dhelsten, I've been on irc once or twice before.  I'm having difficulty troubleshooting my site.
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22:17 < wgGuest51> Hello, anyone out there.  I'm dhelsten and have been on irc a couple times.  I'm having difficulty troubleshooting a problem with my site.
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22:20 < wgGuest51> The site was working fine, but about a week ago it began showing an awstats error page instead of the site.  I can still reach the site by typing the IP address.  
22:22 < wgGuest51> I'm on Ubuntu 6.06 and WRE 0.7.2 with WG version 7.4.11.  
22:29 < wgGuest51> The domain access logs have only activity from wremonitor and when I access the site using the ip address.
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22:34 < wgGuest51> The strange thing is that the site was working just fine before and without any changes this happened
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15:31 < bartjol> xootom?
15:31 < bartjol> already some luck with your useresonline macro?
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16:16 < xootom> bartjol, no i had spectre problems recently and have had too many other things to do, but i will be back on track this week 
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18:21 < SDuensin> Greetings.
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18:42 < bartjol> hi Sduensin
18:42 < bartjol> bye
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19:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: chrisn * r4942 /WebGUI/ (lib/Spectre/Workflow.pm t/Spectre/Workflow.t): (log message trimmed)
19:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: Lots of fixes.
19:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: 1. Restore original getJsonStatus functionality of returning data for just one
19:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: site, if sitename is passed.
19:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: 2. Add a few comments to Spectre::Workflow::getJsonStatus to help explain what's
19:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: going on, and also add some whitespace to separate the code into logical pieces.
19:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: 3. Add tests for this functionality, doubling the number of tests for
19:05 <@apeiron> CIA-18, I added more than three fixes! grr.
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20:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: jt * r4944 /wrebuild/wre/ (docs/changelog.txt t/File.t): Added more WRE::File tests. (William McKee / Knowmad)
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00:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI: graham * r4947 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fix EMS in IE with reset style
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01:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: graham * r4948 /branch/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
01:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: Merged revisions 4947 via svnmerge from
01:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/WebGUI
01:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: ........
01:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI:  r4947 | graham | 2007-11-05 16:32:37 -0600 (Mon, 05 Nov 2007) | 2 lines
01:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI:  fix EMS in IE with reset style
01:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: ........
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06:33 < CIA-18> WebGUI: doug * r4949 /branch/photogallery/WebGUI/ (5 files in 4 dirs): more work. completed GalleryAlbum. started Gallery.
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09:12 < dapperedodo> Is the webgui.org site down?
09:12 <+Radix-wrk> Hmm.. seems like it
09:13 <+Radix-wrk> plainblack.com too
09:14 <+Radix-wrk> must just be that server tho.. demo.plainblack.com is up
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09:17 <+Radix-wrk> It's all bob's fault!
09:17 < dapperedodo> That must be the case:)
09:18 <+Radix-wrk> So how was the WUC this year?  good fun?
09:19 < dapperedodo> yes, Madison is not so bad after all
09:19 < dapperedodo> And there are a  lot of new features coming
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09:19 <+Radix-wrk> Cool - whoever the photographer was (s)he liked you guys - lots of photos of you, martin, koen and bart :)
09:19 <+Radix-wrk> http://www.plainblack.com/uploads/y6/wE/y6wEOm2ctrVKWAt9ihAR0w/WUC-2007---10-17-07-111.jpg
09:19 <+Radix-wrk> If pb.com was up then you'd be able to see that link :)
09:20 <+Radix-wrk> preaction: you to blame for webgui.org and plainblack.com being dead? :)
09:20 <@preaction> no
09:20 <+Radix-wrk> So it WAS bob!
09:20 <@preaction> that jerk, making me wake up at 1:20AM
09:25  * Radix-wrk pokes AMH_bob, saying "Cmon, no fun teasing you if you don't respond!"
09:26 < dapperedodo> I think he is still waking up with a nice cup of coffee
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10:05 < AMH_bob> Yep, I'm back and you better not blame me!
10:06 < AMH_bob> Hi preaction, midnight movies again?
10:06 <@preaction> not so much, babysitting support tickets
10:08 < AMH_bob> In the middle of the night?
10:11 <@preaction> not plainblack support, plainblack.com is down
10:11 <@preaction> er... was down until 10 seconds ago
10:17 < AMH_bob> Hmmmm, great - I had that friday night, I had to get op at 4am and lost quite a bit of sleep...
10:20 < AMH_bob> But the shift is on to the next guy now and I back to a full nights sleep!
10:24 <@preaction> lucky git. i think that was proposed, but it was just JT and I for a few months over the summer, and it remains us now
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18:33 < CIA-18> WebGUI: Add service-specific monitoring hooks for the four monitored aspects of the
18:33 < CIA-18> WebGUI: WRE, starting with Spectre. Stubs are in place for the other three and can be
18:33 < CIA-18> WebGUI: extended in similar fashion.
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22:41 < wgGuest58> hello folks
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22:41 < polar_action> anyone in?
22:47 <+MrHairgrease> only if it's a quicky =)
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22:51 < wgGuest44> sry
22:51 < wgGuest44> dunno what happened there
22:52 < wgGuest44> missed any answer
22:52 <+MrHairgrease> what was the question?
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22:52 < polar_action1> polar_action question above :o)
22:53 <+MrHairgrease> you mean: 'anyone in?'
22:53 <+MrHairgrease> well obviously =)
22:55 <+MrHairgrease> well have to go afk
22:55 <+MrHairgrease> post your question and maybe i can answer it later
22:55 < polar_action1> in the forum you mean???
22:55 < polar_action1> ta
22:55 < polar_action1> thanks...
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00:37 < wgGuest70> any ideas how i can manually restart the spectre service in windows xp?
00:37 < wgGuest70> i try the restart/start button in the console but i get the message, that the service had already started
00:39 <+Radix_> restart windows? :)
00:39 <+Radix_> the three R's of Microsoft tech support - retry, reboot, reinstall
00:41 < wgGuest70> yeah.. i've done that a few times :o)
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01:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: chrisn * r4951 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 5 dirs): 
01:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: Add the groupToEditPost field to the Collaboration system. This allows users
01:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: to specify a group of users that will always be able to do edits on posts,
01:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: regardless of whether they own those posts and independent of the editTimeout
01:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: field.
01:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: chrisn * r4952 /WebGUI/t/Asset/ (Post.t Wobject/Collaboration.t): 
01:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: Don't delete the groups used in the Post test, they're needed. May want to make
01:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: mock groups in the future. Also clean up some commented out things from
01:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: Collaboration.t.
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01:41 < elnino> hi.
01:42 < elnino> I have to approve commited versions, and I can't seem to figure ou how to view their changes. When I go to view the revision, the lock icon is there, so I can't view the changes to the asset's properties. Am I missing something?
01:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI: chrisn * r4953 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.4.12-7.5.0.pl: duh. Need to *call* the sub I added to the upgrade script.
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02:15 <@preaction> elnino, go to your inbox, you'll see the message that new content awaits your approval, you'll be able to peruse it from there
02:17 < elnino> Hi. Thanks for the response. That is where I've gone to view revision, and I see the page, but the changes she made were in the properties of the page layout, but I couldn't view them, because the lock icon was there in place of the edit button.
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05:27 < dionak> i've tried several settings and am not getting what i want
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13:20 < polar_action> hello, is anyone alive in here?
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14:05 <+Radix_> no
14:06 < polar_action> me either :o)
14:07 < polar_action> im wondering if you know how to setup a simple comparison matrix example, or can point me to a help page somewhere?
14:07 <+Radix_> Never used the matrix I'm afraid
14:07 <+Radix_> I assume there's nothing in the wiki about it?
14:08 < polar_action> nope :o(
14:09 < polar_action> i have a matrix with some products, but don't know how to link that to any data..
14:09 <+Radix_> not much I can suggest really.. cept play with it until you sus it out
14:09 < polar_action> yeah... thats what im up to
14:09 <+Radix_> use the demo.plainblack.com site to mess around with it perhaps
14:09 <+Radix_> if you don't want to mess up your own site
14:10 <+Radix_> I know cmsmatrix.org is built using it
14:10 < polar_action> will do.. i hadn;t seen that. thanks
14:10 < polar_action> yeah.. it was one of the guys on the compare sites that recommended it
14:10 < polar_action> its just documentation for demo users like myslef is a bit scarce
14:11 < polar_action> thanks anyway.. out for lunch but will be back later... 
14:11 < polar_action> if anyone else in here knows about the "matrix", please get in touch, thanks :o)
14:12 <+Radix_> Yeah, well might be worth picking up the content managers guide from PB then - worthwhile having for newbies and helps PB too
14:21 < bartjol> > Polar action I have an old WebGUI version, 7.3.22, which contains some information on the matrix (it's still includsed in the help)
14:22 < bartjol> I can print it to pdf and email them to you
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15:52 < SDuensin> Greetings.
16:42 < bartjol> hi
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16:46 < polar_action> hi bartjol
16:47 < polar_action> that would be smashing if you could do that
16:47 < polar_action> if you are there!!!
16:47  * polar_action just notices the time message was left at :o)
16:51 < bartjol> I'm still here
16:51 < polar_action> pheww :o)
16:51 < bartjol> :)
16:52 < bartjol> it's your lucky day
16:52 < polar_action> it sure is!!  email addy is  polar_action@hotmail.com
16:52 < polar_action> ive been stuggling through all the options and just don't seem to "get it"
16:53 < bartjol> well, i will be printing for a while then
16:53 < polar_action> :o)
17:00 < bartjol> sending....
17:01 < bartjol> mind that it is for another version, so changes might occur
17:07 < polar_action> ok. many thanks
17:07 < bartjol> good luck
17:07 < polar_action> im just trying to do something really simple like a really simplified version of http://www.comparecanines.com/
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17:09 < bartjol> ah, ok well that should be possible, but some help files are usefull
17:09 < bartjol> never tried it myself though
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17:14 < polar_action> here i go!!
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19:29 < perlDreamer> Is there a release going out today?
19:29 < perlDreamer> I was thinking of fixing a bug this morning, but don't want to booger anything up
19:29 < perlDreamer> for y'all
19:30 <@khenn> I'm not sure.  I think JT is out.  Graham might be doing a release.  He's in IRC but might be busy
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19:35 < perlDreamer> Haarg: ping
19:35 < perlDreamer> wake up!
19:35 <@Haarg> ?
19:35 <@Haarg> oh
19:35 < perlDreamer> release today?  or is it safe to fix bugs this morning?
19:35 <@Haarg> safe to fix bugs
19:35 < perlDreamer> thanks, man!
19:35 <@Haarg> i want to get a few more in before pushing the release
19:36 < perlDreamer> what would be a good deadline for me?
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19:36 < perlDreamer> I may not have spare time until this afternoon
19:36 <@Haarg> 5pm central i guess
19:37 < perlDreamer> I'll do what I can
19:37 < perlDreamer> If there's any big changes, please email me
19:37 <@Haarg> sure
19:37 < perlDreamer> $dayJob is deciding whether or not IRC is legal to use
19:37 < perlDreamer> grrrrrr
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19:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI: graham * r4954 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Collaboration.pm: copy CS sorting fix from branch
20:24 < polar_action> hi folks
20:25 < polar_action> i've started a demo webgui and see it lasts for a day... but is that 24 full hours?? or does it get binned at midnight?
20:25 < polar_action> anyone know?
20:25 <+MrHairgrease> dunno
20:25 <@Haarg> 24 hours
20:26 <+MrHairgrease> you had a question yesterday right?
20:26 <+MrHairgrease> is it solved yet?
20:28 < polar_action> yeah, thanks MrHair
20:28 <+MrHairgrease> ok
20:29 <+MrHairgrease> good
20:29 < polar_action> im such a n00b, and missed a section in the forums
20:29 < polar_action> thanks Haarg
20:29 < polar_action> also, is it possible to export the data from the demo, to my installation?
20:30 <+MrHairgrease> dunno what you're doing
20:30 <+MrHairgrease> but the way to do that is to make a package of your asset
20:30 <+MrHairgrease> export that
20:30 <+MrHairgrease> and import in your other site
20:30 <+MrHairgrease> you can make a package of asset by editing them
20:30 <+MrHairgrease> going to the misc tab
20:30 <+MrHairgrease> and set make package to yes
20:31 <+MrHairgrease> misc tab = metadata tab
20:31 < polar_action> cool.. i'll give it a try
20:32 <+MrHairgrease> to export it the package
20:32 <+MrHairgrease> go to the asset manager
20:32 <+MrHairgrease> it'll be somewhere at the bottom of the page 
20:32 <+MrHairgrease> use the export button to actually export is
20:32 <+MrHairgrease> importing again is also done through the asset manager
20:36 < polar_action> i;ll give it a go once ive finalised my matrix
20:36 < polar_action> thanks for the help
20:36 <+MrHairgrease> ok
20:36 <+MrHairgrease> np
20:41 < polar_action> oh!! last question, i promise (for now)...
20:42 < polar_action> how can i edit the default colors that were set at installation?
20:42 <+MrHairgrease> you mean with the site starter?
20:43 < polar_action> yes, i think so
20:43 <+MrHairgrease> checking it out right now
20:43 < polar_action> im not going to get into templates and stuff just now...  only if the client likes the matrix
20:43 <+MrHairgrease> hold on
20:43 < polar_action> and if they do i'll invest in the documentation!
20:44 <+MrHairgrease> hmm
20:44 <+MrHairgrease> dunno
20:44 <+MrHairgrease> it's pretty new
20:44 <+MrHairgrease> and I have never used it
20:44 < polar_action> :o)  so thats good. It's not just me :oD
20:44 <+MrHairgrease> sure
20:44 <+MrHairgrease> i guess it just writes out some css to a snippet or so
20:45 <+MrHairgrease> yeah
20:45 < polar_action> yeah.. no doubt.. but im only 1 day into using this so it'll take some time for me to figure
20:45 <+MrHairgrease> my-style.css
20:45 < polar_action> and on the demo that'll not be available :o(
20:46 < polar_action> oh well.. no worries.. i'll do that stuff on my own installation 2morrow
20:46 < polar_action> once again, thanks MrH
20:46 <+MrHairgrease> ok do this
20:46 <+MrHairgrease> you can edit the css file like this
20:46 <+MrHairgrease> add the following to the gateway of your site
20:47 <+MrHairgrease> so on demo that would be after the demp123_etc/ part
20:47 <+MrHairgrease> /root/import/my-style.css?func=edit
20:47 <+MrHairgrease> be sure to be logged in as admin
20:47 <+MrHairgrease> dunno how to get the site starter interface back (if at all possible)
20:48 <+MrHairgrease> good luck
20:51 < polar_action> thanks.. it turns out that the some matrix stuff is embedded html and not in the mystyle.css, 
20:51 < polar_action> its not that important just now
20:52 < polar_action> cheers
20:52 <+MrHairgrease> heh that's funny
20:52 <+MrHairgrease> i was just about to go out and grab a couple of beers =)
20:53 < polar_action> go and get the beers :o)
20:53 < polar_action> im done for this evening anyway
20:54 <+MrHairgrease> thanks for the advice
20:54 <+MrHairgrease> sound quite sound
20:54 <+MrHairgrease> i'll be off then
20:54 <+MrHairgrease> later
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21:12 < XSLord> hello everyone!
21:13 < XSLord> i have just came across WebGUI (weel 2b honest a couple of weeks ago)
21:14 < XSLord> at the moment i am testing/evaluating joomla, drupal, silverstripe and also wordpress
21:16 < XSLord> webgui looks quite promising, the downside is that it doesn't look like you could installed on an hosting (like joomla, drupal, etc...)
21:16 < XSLord> still i would like to know is there any chance that there will be such a version?
21:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: graham * r4956 /branch/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
21:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: Merged revisions 4955 via svnmerge from
21:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/WebGUI
21:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: ........
21:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI:  r4955 | graham | 2007-11-07 12:53:40 -0600 (Wed, 07 Nov 2007) | 2 lines
21:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI:  fix backslash doubling on ical import
21:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: ........
21:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI: colin * r4957 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/docs/ (changelog/7.x.x.txt upgrades/upgrade_7.4.12-7.4.13.pl): remove old Events Calendar templates
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21:55 < perlDreamer> Haarg: I'm having some problems merging in the upgrade file.  Any suggestions?
21:55 < perlDreamer> merging from branch back to trunk, that is
21:56 <@Haarg> hmm
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21:57 <@Haarg> that's a bit wierd, because the upgrade script will be copied into the trunk
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21:57 < elnino> Hi. anyone out there know anything about having japanese or chinese webpages? Do I have to install fonts or something on my linux machine?
21:58 < perlDreamer> Haarg: maybe I should merge just the upgrade script
21:58 < perlDreamer> in any case, if you don't see it in trunk when you tape out, I'm still having problems :)
21:59 <@Haarg> well, i'll be copying the branch upgrade script to trunk, after the upgrade anyway
22:00 < perlDreamer> I'll let you do it then.  That way we won't be stepping on each others toes.
22:43 < elnino> anyone out there experinced in any multi language sites and using webgui?
22:43 < elnino> does webgui support UTF-8 Unicode?
23:16 < perlDreamer> I think you can set the encoding in your templates.
23:17 < perlDreamer> I'd recommend looking in the forums, or perhaps digging into one of the non-american
23:17 < perlDreamer> WebGUI sites, like oqapi.nl, or procolix.com
23:26 < elnino> hi perldreamer. after reading some more, my linux machine is utf, which I get the impression that that is a prerequisite. I searched the forums for utf and unicode with not much luck. I'll look some more.
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00:18 < nutrino> any documentation on updating my puggable auth module to work with the new Auth.pm? for cross domain state, and whatever new stuff was introduced lately
00:20 < nutrino> if not i can pry just make the module again based on the new Auth.pm
00:36 < nutrino> uh oh.
00:36 < nutrino> tried to revert back and im still seeing the error.
00:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI: chrisn * r4958 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 
00:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI: Fix the groupToEditPost field defaulting to the groupIdEdit field. Make sure
00:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI: that the added collab system in the test has a parent asset as well, to ensure
00:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI: that the inheritance works properly.
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01:48 < nutrino> Where is the password change form?
01:50 < nutrino> nvm , found the script
01:52 < nutrino> had to set a static login for my users. man im ashamed.
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06:56 <+perlDreamer> Any news on the release?  Did it go okay?
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06:58 <+perlDreamer> are there any non-bot people awake?
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07:08 <+Radix-wrk> pd: no
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07:23 < perlDreame1> no, you're not awake, or no, no news on the release?
07:23 < perlDreame1> You australians confuse me!
07:24 < perlDreame1> irc seems a little touchy tonight
07:28 <+Radix-wrk> It's 2.30pm here :)
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07:28 <+Radix-wrk> and no, was whether there were any non-bot people awake :)
07:35 < perlDreame1> How was your sabbatical?
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07:47 <@preaction> sup
07:47 < perlDreame1> No release today?
07:47 <@preaction> dunno, not my department anymore
07:47 < perlDreame1> What, you guys don't talk anymore? :)
07:48 < perlDreame1> I found a bad Help bug and fixed it.
07:48 <@preaction> not much, i've got a one-track goal: Gallery
07:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI: colin * r4959 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 5 dirs): fix bad import of help template variables. Loops are now handled correctly. Added a test with supporting collateral to make sure this does not happen again
07:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI: colin * r4960 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (5 files in 5 dirs): backport Help variable fix from trunk
07:48 < perlDreame1> yup, that's the one
07:48 < perlDreame1> thanks CIA-18
07:49 <@preaction> maybe graham's waiting for a bit yet
07:49 < perlDreame1> I'll send Haarg an email.
07:49 <@preaction> we've got strange sleep cycles around here, i don't know his at all
07:49 <@preaction> and we're having a meeting tomorrow, so he's gotta be up 9-5, so i dunno what he's doing for that
07:51 < perlDreame1> ok
07:52 < perlDreame1> well, there are no release commits or forum posts, so maybe I made it in under the deadline.
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08:39 <+Radix-wrk> Sounds like it may be changed tomorrow anyway.. but until then! :)
08:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI: graham * r4961 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/SQLForm.pm): fix missing field_loop in SQL Form template
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13:19 < XSLord> hi everyone!
13:20 < XSLord> is there anyone would be so kind to give an answer on a question on WbGUI i've got?
13:23 < AMH_bob> Just give it a go, just be sure enough to wait and see if someone shows up who has the right answer
13:23 < AMH_bob> (that could take a while...)
13:23 < AMH_bob> :P
14:44 < AMH_bob> @XSLord: I'm not kidding, just ask your question and wait a while, you most surely will get an answer.
15:05 <+Radix_> I agree with Bob.. ask.. and be patient and you'll be rewarded :)
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15:19 < nutrino> Would preload.custom expect the directory my pluggable auth module resides in?
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16:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: graham * r4962 /branch/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
16:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: Merged revisions 4961 via svnmerge from
16:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/WebGUI
16:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: ........
16:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI:  r4961 | graham | 2007-11-08 00:33:40 -0600 (Thu, 08 Nov 2007) | 2 lines
16:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI:  fix missing field_loop in SQL Form template
16:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: ........
16:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: graham * r4963 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.4.13 release
16:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: jt * r4964 /releases/WebGUI_7.4.13-stable: Release 7.4.13-stable
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16:33 < CIA-18> WebGUI: graham * r4965 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (4 files in 4 dirs): preparing for 7.4.14 dev
16:33 < CIA-18> WebGUI: graham * r4966 /WebGUI/docs/ (4 files in 2 dirs): merging 7.4 changes
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17:04 < nutrino> phew
17:04 < nutrino> fixed my issue by upgrading CGI.pm
17:04 < nutrino> all signs pointed to that being the issue anyway.
17:05 < nutrino> but why would CGI.pm break during an upgrade???
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18:26 <@apeiron> For the PIRG work that I'm doing (groupToEditPost field for CSs), do they have a dev server set up where I can apply the patch, or is there some other way they want me to provide this to them?
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18:44 <@apeiron> Crap, boss's here, gotta look like we're working!
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21:48 < CIA-29> WebGUI: chrisn * r4968 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Collaboration.pm: Gr. One more attempt at getting the default to work properly.
21:49 <@apeiron> hmph. CIA jumped from -18 last night to -29 this afternoon.
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01:03 < CIA-29> WebGUI: graham * r4969 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/File.pm): fix CS posts not allowing new attachments after deleting old ones
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07:33 < CIA-29> WebGUI: dionak * r4970 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Operation/Group.pm: Adding message if group count exceeds 250
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16:11 < AMH_bob> Greetings.
16:12 < SDuensin> Hey AMH_bob 
16:12 < AMH_bob> Hi SDuensin: No Greetings today?
16:13 < SDuensin> Greetings!
16:13 <+MrHairgrease> Greetings!
16:16 < AMH_bob> Grrrrrrreat!
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16:49 < wgGuest13> When you create a pagelayout, must the namespace be left blank?
17:04 < AMH_bob> No, you can fill in an URL kind of path
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18:18 < CIA-29> WebGUI: colin * r4971 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Operation/Group.pm i18n/English/WebGUI.pm): internationalized the high group count message
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20:52 < nutrino> is there a template variable to return true if a user is logged in?
20:56 < AMH_henry> There's a User macro. maybe you can use that to determine whether user is logged in
20:56 < nutrino> yah, the one that returns a user name
20:56 < nutrino> i guess i could check to see if that is empty
20:57 < AMH_henry> according to the doc, you can get any profile field
20:57 < nutrino> cool
20:57 < AMH_henry> btw, username won't be empty. it will be visitor i think
20:57 < nutrino> ok
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23:33 < CIA-29> WebGUI: colin * r4972 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Session/Url.pm t/Session/Url.t): 
23:33 < CIA-29> WebGUI: Start adding coverage to the getBackToSiteURL method.
23:33 < CIA-29> WebGUI: Remove the old commented out MockObject request code. It's PseudoRequest or bust.
23:33 < CIA-29> WebGUI: WGBP indent some of the Session/Url methods.
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23:41 < perlDreamer> MrHairGrease: ping
23:41 < perlDreamer> Art thou awake, oh European uber-hacker?
23:43 <@apeiron> überhacker
23:43 < perlDreamer> You're correct, of course.  But finch may yack on special characters.
23:44 <@apeiron> ooh, text mode.
23:44 < perlDreamer> the lengths one must resort to to get on IRC
23:44 < nuba> apeiron: that comes as überhacker here
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23:45 <@apeiron> nuba, Should, my setup is AFAICT proper UTF-8.
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23:45 < perlDreamer> well, let me ask the question generally and see what pops up.
23:45 < nuba> mine isnt :)
23:45 < perlDreamer> the SQL.t test needs to ask the database whether or not it has InnoDb installed in order
23:45 < perlDreamer> to run tests on WebGUI's transaction handling.
23:45 < perlDreamer> any ideas how to do that?
23:46 <@apeiron> hmm
23:46 < perlDreamer> that's why the smoke tests are failing in one place, btw
23:46 <@apeiron> I'd try looking at whether you can query for it with SQL.
23:46 < perlDreamer> I could try the MySQL dev site.
23:54 < nuba> query is SHOW VARIABLES 
23:54 < nuba> or SHOW GLOBAL VARIABLES
23:54 < nuba> or SHOW SESSION VARIABLES
23:54 < nuba> depends on your mysql version
23:54 < nuba> look for have_innodb
23:54 <@apeiron> nuba++
23:54 < nuba> thx
23:55 < nuba> does that actually give me some karma in webgui.org?
23:55 <@apeiron> perlbot, karma nuba
23:55 < perlbot> Karma for nuba: 1
23:55 <@apeiron> Not quite.
23:55 < nuba> that'd be nice
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23:56 < nuba> actually i can envision a future where this channel becomes a karma trading place
23:56 < nuba> people coming from all around and trading features for karma etc
23:56 < nuba> :)
23:56 < elnino> hi. I have a cs system with "committ with approval"  but their posts are coming thru automatically without need of approval. is this a bug, or a misunderstanding on my part? The peopel posting have edit permission and posting permissions to the cs. I'm using 7.3.22
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00:07 < perlDreamer> SHOW ENGINES is good, too, but I like nuba's solution better
00:07 < perlDreamer> show global variables where Variable_name='have_innodb';
00:09 < perlDreamer> nuba: we'd need a bot that can talk to spectre, plus a custom workflow or 2
00:09 < perlDreamer> that would work
00:23 <+MrHairgrease> elnino did you copmmit your version tag?
00:23 <+MrHairgrease> else i dunno
00:24 <+MrHairgrease> pd: pong
00:24 <+MrHairgrease> but your question is answered already i presume
00:25 < elnino> no, when the person saves the post, it doesn't get put into a version tag, it goes right thru.  The site settings is set to "approval with commit" as well. I tried this myself, and the post goes immediately through. My understanding is that the way my settings are, that the new post should be manually approved right? Even if the poster is allowed edit permissions?
00:27 < perlDreamer> MrHairGrease: that is so
00:27 <+MrHairgrease> no i mean the version tag in which your cs is
00:28 <+MrHairgrease> you chang the approval workflow
00:28 <+MrHairgrease> after that you'll have to commit the change
00:28 <@preaction> elnino, the collab system doesn't use the site's setting. you have to go to the security tab of the CS configuration to change the workflow it uses
00:29 <@preaction> i believe that you should submit an RFE to have the "default" approval workflow for CSes be the site's default workflow (instead of Commit Without Approval like it is now)
00:29 <@preaction> and i'm going to update the Gallery to fix that right away
00:29 < elnino> right. I just mentioned it for more info. Both the site and the CS settings is the "commitwith approval" but a new post goes thru without aproval.
00:29 <@preaction> is the CS committed?
00:30 <@preaction> does your Commit With Approval workflow have the "Request Approval ..." workflow activity?
00:30 < elnino> yes. the cs is already created, and has existing posts. New posts go thru without approval. if the post is modifed then it goes thru the approval process.
00:30 <@preaction> what version are you running?
00:31 < elnino> I don't know. it's the default approval workflow. I'm afraid to change those. The site changes work just great.  7.3.22
00:31 <@preaction> if you can reproduce using a demo site, it might be prudent to post a bug report
00:32 < perlDreamer> lots of bugs have already been fixed between 7.3.22 and 7.4.today
00:32 <+MrHairgrease> ok guys
00:32 <+MrHairgrease> going to sleep
00:32 <+MrHairgrease> later
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00:42 < perlDreamer> Anyone have 5 minutes to try a test fix out for me?  You need to have the WRE and a SVN copy of wG.
00:43 <@preaction> sure
00:43 < perlDreamer> you'll need to do an update
00:43 < perlDreamer> WEBGUI_CONFIG=/data/WebGUI/etc/mywebgui.conf
00:43 < perlDreamer> cd /data/WebGUI/t
00:43 < perlDreamer> perl SQL.t
00:44 < perlDreamer> you should see 7 skipped tests
00:44 < perlDreamer> and no failing tests
00:44 <@preaction> updating svn now
00:45 < perlDreamer> preaction: did you see that I've started migrating the tests away from Test::MockObject over to
00:45 < perlDreamer> your supercharted PseudoRequest?
00:46 < perlDreamer> s/rted/rged/
00:46 <@preaction> looks like i got 7 failed but they show up as "skipped" to prove
00:46 <@preaction> prove doesn't seem to like skip
00:46 < perlDreamer> it should be okay.
00:46 < perlDreamer> btw, where's rizen?
00:46 < perlDreamer> haven't seen him online for a while
00:47 <@preaction> ahh: it worked once, but every time afterward it's died
00:47 < perlDreamer> the test?
00:47 < perlDreamer> hm
00:47 <@preaction> he's on IRC when he's working (usually 9-5)
00:48 < perlDreamer> paste?
00:48 <@preaction> yeah, reproduced: the first time it does what you described, the second time it dies
00:48 < CIA-29> WebGUI: colin * r4973 /WebGUI/t/SQL.t: add a prototype fix for not having InnoDB tables causing test errors
00:49 <@preaction> perlbot pastebin
00:49 < perlbot> (see paste)
00:49 <@preaction> perlbot paste
00:49 < perlbot> Paste your code to http://sial.org/pbot/perl http://erxz.com/pb or http://p3m.org/paste/fn/perl and #Perl will be able to view it.
00:49 <@preaction> http://sial.org/pbot/28529
00:50 < perlDreamer> took a blind stab at a fix in 4974
00:51 < perlDreamer> yeah, might have been a good blind stab
00:51 < perlDreamer> I left the test table in place at the end of the test, but hid the cleanup
00:51 < perlDreamer> inside the SKIP
00:51 < perlDreamer> should work now
00:51 <@preaction> k
00:52 <@preaction> seems to work now
00:52 < perlDreamer> when the smoke tests work again, that should be 1 less problem
00:52 <@preaction> woot!
00:52 < perlDreamer> how's le galleria coming?
00:53 <@preaction> quite well. almost got the perl code ready to start adding templates / debugging frontend
00:53 <@preaction> still need to find a solution to the problem of not being able to use PseudoRequest to upload files
00:55 < perlDreamer> would a tied filehandle help?
00:56 <@preaction> i think it's more we have to mock Apache2::Upload or something, i don't know
00:56 <@preaction> session uses Apache2::Upload to get the file, but that requires libapr
00:57 <@preaction> once you try to load libapr, the tests will die
00:59 < perlDreamer> request->upload returns a list of filehandles
00:59 < perlDreamer> and the Storage just does a byte smart read on that filehandle to implement a copy
00:59 < perlDreamer> See Storage.pm, line 204 or so
01:00 < perlDreamer> but if session->request is a PseudoRequest, it should bypass that step
01:00 < elnino> 'k - I checked the demo.  It appears that you've made a distinction between new posts and new threads. I guess I was using the wrong term..  I was refering to new threads bypassing the approval process. And given that there is now a distinction, I suspect there was difference on how the two should be handled?
01:01 <@preaction> elnino, i don't know. maybe that's just how the bug was fixed.
01:02 < perlDreamer> preaction: I think you meant Storage, not Session
01:02 < perlDreamer> can we move that load into preload.perl?
01:02 < elnino> So I can only conclude that new *threads* were intended to bypass the approval process, but new posts are supposed to be approved.  So if I upgrade, gosh, if there are new settings like this, how does it determine what I want?
01:03 < perlDreamer> elnino: new settings defer to predetermined default during the upgrade process.
01:03 < perlDreamer> if you want something different from that, you'd have to go back and alter them
01:03 < CIA-29> WebGUI: colin * r4974 /WebGUI/t/SQL.t: always, always cleanup after myself in tests. sigh.
01:03 <@preaction> elnino, which are usually exactly how things were before the upgrade
01:04 <@preaction> or we try to get an idea for what most people want, like good UI does
01:04 <@preaction> perlDreamer, i don't remember why Apache2::Upload is there exactly, but that'd be the first step in figuring out if it can be moved
01:06 <@preaction> it doesn't look like there's any real reason why it couldn't be moved, it looks like Apache2::Upload is just a mixin to add the upload() method to Apache2::Request
01:07 < elnino> ok. Thanks!
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01:16 < perlDreamer> we could also just mock it, using fake_module like you were suggesting earlier.
01:21 <@preaction> what would that entail though? it's just a mixin for Apache2::Request
01:27 < perlDreamer> it should avoid loading libapr?
01:30 < perlDreamer> well, with also fake'ing Apache2::Request it would avoid that
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02:09 < perlDreamer> preaction: it's done
02:09 < perlDreamer> check out #4975
02:09 <@preaction> sweet, i'll have to merge that for the gallery
02:10 < perlDreamer> I'm about 99% convinced that WebGUI::Test should always return a PseudoRequest'ed Session var by default
02:11 < perlDreamer> It's just too handy
02:12 <@preaction> i'll update WebGUI::Test->getPage to add the uploads section to it (it's documented but it doesn't work). which means updating WebGUI::Test::Maker::HTML
02:12 <@preaction> they're supposed to be filehandles, right?
02:13 < perlDreamer> yes/no
02:13 < perlDreamer> they're really objects with methods for filename, size and fh
02:13 < perlDreamer> we need another class to handle that
02:13 < perlDreamer> I'll work on it
02:13 < perlDreamer> sorry about jumping the gun
02:18 < CIA-29> WebGUI: colin * r4975 /WebGUI/t/ (lib/WebGUI/PseudoRequest.pm Storage.t): enable testing of $session->request->uploads through WebGUI::PseudoRequest. Now we need a good utility method for sending a list of files to a sub and having it return a list of filehandles to those files
02:30 <@preaction> so something like WebGUI::Test->addUploadedFile( filepath )?
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02:31 < perlDreamer> well, I stuck it in PseudoRequest
02:31 < perlDreamer> and it takes a list of files
02:32 < perlDreamer> rather than a directory
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03:03 < CIA-29> WebGUI: colin * r4976 /WebGUI/t/ (lib/WebGUI/PseudoRequest.pm Storage.t): (log message trimmed)
03:03 < CIA-29> WebGUI: Finish up the file upload handling by PseudoRequest. If you
03:03 < CIA-29> WebGUI: call $pseudoRequest->uploadFiles with a list of filenames, it will populate
03:03 < CIA-29> WebGUI: the upload method with upload objects, so that Storage->getFileFromFormPost
03:03 < CIA-29> WebGUI: will have an object with all the right methods.
03:03 < CIA-29> WebGUI: t/Storage.t tests this incidently. It occurs to me that we need tests
03:03 < CIA-29> WebGUI: for our PseudoRequest module, and it needs POD, and it should probably
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18:43 <+perlDreamer> fire, flood foe!
18:43 <+perlDreamer> raise the hue and the cry!
18:43 <+perlDreamer> webgui.org is beseiged and beset upon by foul means!
18:44 <+perlDreamer> in other words
18:44 <+perlDreamer> it's broke
18:54 <+perlDreamer> "OMG.  They killed webgui.org"
18:56 <+perlDreamer> Alas poor webgui.org, I knew him well
18:57 <+perlDreamer> Come, let us destroy webgui.org, and rule the galaxy as father and son!
18:57 <+perlDreamer> webgui.org needs food badly
18:58 <+perlDreamer> webgui.org is about to die
18:59 <+perlDreamer> webgui.org is dead, Jim.
19:01 <+perlDreamer> Remember the webgui.org!
19:31 <+perlDreamer> Give me webgui.org, or give me death!
19:37 <@apeiron> Loads fine for me. So I guess you live.
19:41 <+perlDreamer> I get a 500 error
19:41  * perlDreamer feels his heartbeat stutter a bit
19:41 <+perlDreamer> but  pb.com works fine
19:44 <+Radix_> works here
19:54  * perlDreamer must be cursed
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02:11 < crythia1> goodbye 
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13:02 < SynQ> hi there
13:03 < SynQ> since it's weekend...
13:03 < SynQ> is there a way to get the latest version of WRE from svn somewhere?
13:10 < SynQ> :)
13:24 < SynQ> in that case, I'll just focus on the 0.8.0 version
13:44 <@preaction> SynQ, svn.webgui.org/plainblack/wrebuild
14:00 < SynQ> ah
14:00 < SynQ> :)
15:01 < SynQ> the nicest thing about compiling the wre is that it takes for ages
15:01 < SynQ> :)
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16:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI: jt * r4977 /tools/makerelease.pl: this should fix the commit problem with smoke tests
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23:03 < SynQ> hi there
23:04 < SynQ> is feedback on a specific svn version of the WRE valued
23:04 < SynQ> ?
23:04 < SynQ> syntax error at /data/wre/lib/WRE/Spectre.pm line 262, near "sum values"
23:06 <@rizen> please submit a bug report and i'll look into it
23:06 <@rizen> and yes
23:06 <@rizen> it is valued
23:06 <@rizen> i hope to put out the 0.8.1 version on monday
23:06 < SynQ> great
23:06 < SynQ> I will
23:07 < SynQ> submit a bug report that is
23:13 < SynQ> Done
23:14 <@rizen> when i get out the next wre release depends greatly upon when i can resolve these pesky windows bugs that are remaining
23:16 < SynQ> windows bugs
23:17 < SynQ> ok, but I get my bug on debian
23:17 < SynQ> not on windows
23:17 <@rizen> i said nothing about your bug
23:17 < SynQ> I know
23:17 < SynQ> I don't care about windows
23:18 <@rizen> but i've resolved to release all os versions at the same time
23:18 < SynQ> ah
23:19 < SynQ> understandable
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02:49 <+perlDreamer> apeiron: ping
02:49 <+perlDreamer> You can close this bug with one line of code: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/wre/spectre_pm-line-262-syntax-error
02:51 <@rizen> closed
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02:58 <+perlDreamer> sweet
02:58 <+perlDreamer> You have proper duck alignment?
02:59 <@rizen> nope still working on straightening out the foul
02:59 <+perlDreamer> heh
03:00 <@rizen> it's going to take a while to get that done
03:00 <@rizen> i could go for some smores right now
03:00 <@rizen> could you bring some over?
03:00 <+perlDreamer> mmmmm
03:01 <+perlDreamer> I'll start building a fire
03:01 <+perlDreamer> You going to be up loate?
03:04 <+perlDreamer> It will take a while to make them.
03:05 <@rizen> i'm actuallying thinking about hitting some video games in a ibt
03:05 <@rizen> s/ibt/bit/
03:05 <+perlDreamer> I fixed the SQL.t errors for the tests, and now looking at the graphic tests that are failing.
03:05 <@rizen> so i'll be up if you want to bring them over =)
03:05 <+perlDreamer> I'll put them into my DVD drive and rip them digitally, then you can reconstitute them with your Mac.
03:06 <@rizen> don't spend time on the graphics tests for right now
03:06 <@rizen> we're working on getting image magick to work on freebsd
03:06 <@rizen> and if it does
03:06 <@rizen> then we'll be ditching graphics magic
03:06 <@rizen> and the tests will start working automatically again
03:06 <+perlDreamer> okay.  I thought we like Graphics::Magick.  Stable, faster, yada yada yada
03:06 <@rizen> not faster
03:06 <@rizen> supposedly more stable
03:07 <@rizen> and it works on freebsd
03:07 <@rizen> that's the big key
03:07 <@rizen> but now we have a freebsd junkie on staff
03:07 <@rizen> and he's going to help get image magick working on freebsd
03:07 <+perlDreamer> apeiron or Haarg?
03:07 <@rizen> image magick is more powerful
03:07 <@rizen> apeiron
03:10 <+perlDreamer> dude, I'm sorry.  Smores isn't going to work.  How 'bout one of these instead?
03:10 <+perlDreamer> http://www.phobe.com/sfi/accordion.html
03:12 <@rizen> that's awesome
03:12 <@rizen> though not as awesome as smores
03:12 <@rizen> pd, i've got a problem, i have no idea how to test the new pluggable url handlers that i'm making
03:12 <@rizen> it requires apache objects
03:13 <@rizen> i think i'll commit without tests, once it's working and then ask for your help on how to write the tests
03:13 <+perlDreamer> either mech, or Apache::Test
03:13 <+perlDreamer> can you mock the objects?
03:13 <+perlDreamer> eh, nevermind
03:13 <+perlDreamer> they're probably integral
03:13 <@rizen> i don't know. maybe. i'll have to look into that. i've never done any of the fancy tests that you've written
03:14 <+perlDreamer> We finally started mocking Apache::Upload on Friday.
03:14 <+perlDreamer> Now you can do actual file uploads in tests.
03:14 <+perlDreamer> I made it for preaction to test the gallery
03:14 <+perlDreamer> Honestly, this thing might be releasable to the public.
03:14 <+perlDreamer> It's fairly handy.
03:15 <@rizen> you mean to cpan?
03:15 <+perlDreamer> yeah
03:15 <@rizen> you should
03:15 <+perlDreamer> I can't
03:15 <@rizen> why?
03:15 <+perlDreamer> It's not mine anymore
03:15 <+perlDreamer> It's yours
03:15 <@rizen> bah
03:15 <@rizen> that's not how it works
03:15 <@rizen> when you commit to svn you give us a license to do whatever we want with it
03:16 <@rizen> but that doesn't mean we own it
03:16 <@rizen> it's still yours too
03:16 <+perlDreamer> as long as you don't mind, nor send your lawyers after me, nor trump my ace lead and scarf my smores
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03:21 <+perlDreamer> Tim wrote to the President of the US last night
03:22 <@rizen> what did he say?
03:23 <+perlDreamer> He wants him to sign S294 when it comes to his desk
03:24 <+perlDreamer> It's an Amtrak reform and spending bill
03:24 <+perlDreamer> I told him it has to go through the House first, but he's not very patient
03:26 <@rizen> that's so cool
03:26 <@rizen> i haven't even ever written the president or a congressman
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03:26 <@rizen> i figure they won't listen anyway
03:27 <+perlDreamer> I think it will get through the House, but the Pres is not so cool on trains.
03:27 <+perlDreamer> He needs wise counsel
03:27 <+perlDreamer> from a 6 year old :)
03:28 <+Radix-wrk> I think this video sums up our political battle atm: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAOUKX-Myc0
03:29 <+Radix-wrk> Our election is in another 12 days
03:29 <+perlDreamer> Are you going to vote?
03:30 <+Radix-wrk> Thankfully the election campains here are measured in weeks compared to your months of campaigning in the US.
03:30 <+Radix-wrk> Voting is compulsory
03:30 <+Radix-wrk> you get fined about $200 if you don't vote.
03:30 <+perlDreamer> wow
03:30 <+perlDreamer> now that's an idea!
03:33 <@rizen> i don't know if that's a good idea or not
03:33 <+perlDreamer> I asked because too many people here gripe about the system, then don't vote.
03:33 <@rizen> most of the people in the US are so dumb i wouldn't want them to vote
03:33 <+Radix-wrk> you get the same here
03:34 <@rizen> but i guess it doesn't really matter since there's rarely ever a good candidate to vote for anyway
03:34 <+perlDreamer> you're lucky Jamie isn't in channel :)
03:35 <+perlDreamer> Or was that Tavis?
03:35 <@rizen> tavis is the only one on staff that thinks that GW is a good president
03:36 <@rizen> jamie is the one that thinks i should run for president
03:36 <@rizen> and in that sentence, "one" is the operative word
03:36 <+Radix-wrk> lol
03:36 <+Radix-wrk> Have you seen the movie Good Luck Chuck?
03:37 <+perlDreamer> but he knows you best
03:37 <@rizen> nope, haven't seen it
03:38 <+Radix-wrk> There's a scene with a girl with a tattoo with the letters "G. W." just above her panties was funny - the guys expression of horror.
03:38 <+perlDreamer> gtg, dinner time in PDX.  Se y'all tomorrow
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07:33 < CIA-18> WebGUI: colin * r4978 /WebGUI/t/Session/Url.t: 
07:33 < CIA-18> WebGUI: Coverage tests for getBackToSiteURL brings Session/Url coverage
07:33 < CIA-18> WebGUI: up to 100%.
07:33 < CIA-18> WebGUI: colin * r4979 /WebGUI/t/Session/Url.t: leave notes as to future tests that need to be written for getBackToSiteURL
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12:42 < MrHairgreas1> /whoami
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15:30 < SDuensin> Greetings.
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20:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI: graham * r4980 /branch/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
20:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI: Merged revisions 4969 via svnmerge from
20:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI: https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/WebGUI
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20:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI:  r4969 | graham | 2007-11-08 16:50:59 -0600 (Thu, 08 Nov 2007) | 2 lines
20:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI:  fix CS posts not allowing new attachments after deleting old ones
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23:00 < perlDreamer> hey, folks
23:00 <+MrHairgrease> howdy
23:00 < perlDreamer> MrHairgrease: Are you feeling well?  it's only 9:00pm on a weeknight.
23:00 < perlDreamer> Shouldn't you be out partying?
23:01 <+MrHairgrease> oh i started partying at 10 am today
23:01 <+MrHairgrease> so it's getting kinda old by now
23:01 < perlDreamer> well, in that case, it's good to take a little time off
23:01 <+MrHairgrease> hehe
23:02 <+MrHairgrease> btw
23:02 <+MrHairgrease> it 10 pm over here
23:02 <+MrHairgrease> you're being uk minded =)
23:03 < perlDreamer> hey, what's 15 degrees between friends?
23:03 <+MrHairgrease> dunno
23:03 < perlDreamer> 1 time zone? :)
23:03 <+MrHairgrease> i always use radians
23:04 < perlDreamer> hey, what's pi/12 radians between friends?
23:04 <@rizen> i only use kelvins, regardless of whether it's heat or distance around the globe that i'm measuring
23:04 <@rizen> it could be why i'm always late
23:05  * MrHairgrease always uses pi in stones per square hogshead
23:05 < perlDreamer> or cold...
23:05 <+MrHairgrease> or whatever
23:05 <+MrHairgrease> rizen is never cold
23:06 <@rizen> that is true
23:06 <+MrHairgrease> he has one of the most warming personalities that i know of
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23:09 <@rizen> it's 283 kelvin here today
23:09 <+MrHairgrease> ah you mean 9.85 degrees celcius
23:10 <+MrHairgrease> here it was a few kelvins colder i think
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23:13 < perlDreamer> it's not so cold here, but we're having high winds
23:13 < perlDreamer> parts of east portland are without power
23:13 < perlDreamer> which can really interfere with your WebGUI development
23:13 < perlDreamer> that's why I live in the West part of portland
23:14 < perlDreamer> Intel gets kind of mad when the power goes out
23:14 < perlDreamer> fabs and design centers and all that
23:14 <+MrHairgrease> what a bunch of crybabies
23:15 <+MrHairgrease> a fab only cost some billions
23:15 <+MrHairgrease> you'd figure they could do without it for a day or so without complaining =)
23:16 < perlDreamer> I know.  Those fab/process guys are such whiners
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23:16 < perlDreamer> One day they asking for self-aligned mask sets
23:16 < perlDreamer> next day they want electricity
23:17 <+MrHairgrease> yeah those guys suck
23:17  * MrHairgrease wonders where he was last thursday...
23:17 <+MrHairgrease> oh crap =)
23:17 < perlDreamer> in the fab? :)
23:17 < perlDreamer> Tomorrow they'll want water.
23:18 <+MrHairgrease> yeah
23:18 <+MrHairgrease> only demineralised water though
23:18 < perlDreamer> what?
23:18 < perlDreamer> You want pure water?
23:18 < perlDreamer> sheesh
23:19 <+MrHairgrease> they say all the crap in normal water is bad for your process
23:19 <+MrHairgrease> but they're just spoiled
23:19 <+MrHairgrease> =)
23:19 < perlDreamer> it gives me the squirts
23:19 <+MrHairgrease> it's not for consumption
23:20 < perlDreamer> that would explain a few things
23:21 < perlDreamer> if they'd bring me some beer, I'd drink it instead
23:21 <+MrHairgrease> see it like this
23:21 <+MrHairgrease> demi water is to water what light beer is compared to beer
23:22 <+MrHairgrease> it's just not for consumption
23:22 < perlDreamer> makes sense
23:22 < perlDreamer> so I should drink mineralwasser instead
23:22 <+MrHairgrease> why not
23:22 < perlDreamer> I tried some when I was in germany
23:22 <+MrHairgrease> i myself consume liters of water with bubbles
23:23 <+MrHairgrease> i think it's called soda water in the us
23:23 < perlDreamer> but there's no minerals in soda water
23:23 <+MrHairgrease> oh well
23:23 <+MrHairgrease> i just care for the carbon dioxide
23:24 <@khenn> unsweetened iced tea using tap water is the only way to go
23:25 <@khenn> all the lead and crap they spew into the public drinking water pleasantly masked with the goodness of tea
23:25 < perlDreamer> I don't know who you are, but you better stop using Frank's account
23:25 < perlDreamer> He'll get mad
23:25 <+MrHairgrease> hmmm lead
23:26 <@khenn> I have a nice big glass of it right here
23:26 <+MrHairgrease> franks hasn't been the same since his last encounter with the Dutch =)
23:26 <@khenn> I killed off a large portion of brain cells that night
23:26 <@khenn> thanks to Koen
23:27 <+MrHairgrease> i know for a fact that that particular evening wasn't to good on koen's bc's too =)
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00:54 < perlDreamer> ssshhhh.  He's back
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01:20 < steveo> Why does WebGUI::Asset::Post need to redefine a brand new storageId whenever it adds a revision?
01:34 <+MrHairgrease> b/c if the storage would stay the same it is not possible to version different files with the same filename
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01:37 < perlDreamer> suppose someone edits a post with an attachment.  He leaves the attachment alone but edits the content.
01:38 < perlDreamer> Now there would be two versions of the post, both pointing to the same storageId.
01:38 < perlDreamer> 3 months later, the DeleteOldVersions workflow comes along and says
01:38 < perlDreamer> hey, the older version of this post should be deleted
01:38 <@rizen> that shouldn't be true
01:38 < cap10morgan> Is there a PayPal payment plugin in 7.4?
01:38 < perlDreamer> but you can't delete it without deleting the storageId
01:38 <@rizen> on every edit it creates a copy of the storage id
01:39 <@rizen> storage location
01:39 <@rizen> cap: no, but it's coming sometime in 7.5
01:39 < perlDreamer> rizen: this is postulating not making a copy each time.  That's what steveo asked about
01:39 < cap10morgan> rizen: cool, thanks
01:40 < perlDreamer> anyway, the end result is that your db ends up full of old cruft that you can't safely delete
01:40 < perlDreamer> it's a small price to pay to for an extra storage Id
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01:40 < perlDreamer> each version is completely self contained
01:41 < xootom> hi all, i mistakenly set 'archive after' on some photo galleries to 0, thinking that would disable archiving. but it's instantly archived lots of photos.. i can't see them in asset manager but can find them through search. is there a way of unarc