--- Log opened Thu Nov 01 00:00:08 2007
00:19 <+MrHairgrease> oh man
00:19 <+MrHairgrease> spectre is so cool!
00:19 <+MrHairgrease> thanks for creating it!
00:43 <+Radix_> ?
00:44  * Radix_ likes the new WebGUI roadmap, but wonders why he got four copies of the same email.
00:48 <@preaction> might've been Tavis editing it a bit, or maybe he cross-posted
00:50 <+Radix_> might want to mention to tavis that editing it does that so he knows in future :)
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03:53 <+perlDreamer> mighty quiet tonight
03:53 <+perlDreamer> Is everyone trick or treating?
04:23 <@apeiron> Been pretty dead around here with regard to that. About 10 people the entire night.
04:23 <@apeiron> And it's 10:30 here.
04:24 <@apeiron> Might be because the kids have school the next day or something. I dunno.
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15:30 < SDuensin> Greetings.
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15:39 < AMH_bob> And greetings to you too!
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15:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI: graham * r4921 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (7 files in 5 dirs): Matrix hoverhelp fixes
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16:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: graham * r4922 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (2 files in 2 dirs): more matrix hoverhelp fixes
16:33 < CIA-18> WebGUI: graham * r4923 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.4.12 release
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16:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI: jt * r4924 /releases/WebGUI_7.4.12-stable: Release 7.4.12-stable
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17:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI: graham * r4925 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (4 files in 4 dirs): preparing for 7.4.13 dev
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20:33 < CIA-18> WebGUI: graham * r4926 /WebGUI/ (9 files in 5 dirs): merging 7.4 changes
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22:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: jt * r4928 /wrebuild/wre/ (docs/changelog.txt sbin/wreconsole.pl): fix: WRE 0.8 Services Controller screen lists apache's in the wrong order.
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01:08 < wgGuest48> root/tempspace, what is it used for?
01:09 <@preaction_> temporary files
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06:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: colin * r4929 /WebGUI/ (t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm lib/WebGUI/Session/Privilege.pm): 
06:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: Add a missing use line in Session/Privilege.pm.
06:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: Try to completely clean up all session related stuff from each test.
06:33 < CIA-18> WebGUI: colin * r4930 /WebGUI/t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm: var->end already does a scratch->deleteAll
06:34 <@rizen> root/tempspace is used for temporary assets. currently just the wiki uploads
06:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI: colin * r4931 /WebGUI/t/ (3 files in 3 dirs): add a test stub for DeleteExpiredSessions. To be filled in soon :)
07:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: colin * r4932 /WebGUI/t/Workflow/Activity/DeleteExpiredSessions.t: add plan for testing. Fill in with code later
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13:03 <+Radix_> How goes it bartjol? :)  Got your license yet?
13:03 < bartjol> not jet
13:03 < bartjol> yet
13:03 <+Radix_> still working at it eh? :)
13:04 < bartjol> how is thee gooey underwear
13:04 <+Radix_> underwear?
13:04 < bartjol> sure
13:04 < bartjol> gooey strings for men
13:04 <+MrHairgrease> bart
13:04 <+Radix_> Umm.. I think koen is the only one with those
13:04 <+MrHairgrease> time for lunch!
13:04 <+Radix_> enjoy :)
13:04 < bartjol> they don't excist
13:05 < bartjol> ah...
13:05 < bartjol> lunch!
13:05 <+MrHairgrease> yes
13:05 <+MrHairgrease> lunch
13:07 < bartjol> surry raqdix, I was confused
13:07 < bartjol> thought you were one of them plainblack guys
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13:09 <+Radix_> lol
13:58 < bartjol> bye
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15:25 < SDuensin> FRIDAY!!!!!
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16:11 < nutrino> TGIF
16:11 < nutrino> TGIPD
16:11 <@rizen> TGIPD?
16:13 < nutrino> pay day
16:13 < nutrino> one could even go as far as saying TGIN
16:13 < nutrino> november ;)
17:03 <@rizen> TGNEUAFE
17:03 <@rizen> thank god not everyone uses abbreviations for everything
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18:09 < wgGuest19> What is the easiest way to load WebGUI to a linux server?
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18:29 <@khenn> download the WRE 0.8.0 and run the setup
18:29 <@khenn> it will download and install webgui for you
18:29 <@khenn> and set up the enviornment
18:29 <@khenn> environment even =p
18:32 < wgGuest19> i loaded the files onto linux with ftp server
18:33 < wgGuest19> how do I set the set environment from there?
18:39 < nuba> dont you have a shell there?
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18:40 < wgGuest19> what is a shell ?
18:40 < nuba> do you own the box, or have root privs there?
18:41 < nuba> can you ssh to it, and "do stuff"?
18:41 < wgGuest19> its a student account
18:42 <@apeiron> And they let you have modperl?
18:42 < nuba> download the wre, read the included documentation, and check the webgui wiki
18:42 < nuba> if you dont understand whats involved, you better get a hosted webgui somewhere else,
18:43 < nuba> or get yourself someone to help you, someone who'll understand it
18:43 < wgGuest19> ok, thanks
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18:43 < nuba> or else prepare yourself to spend some considerable amount of time experimenting with it and raising your level so that you'll understand it
18:43 < nuba> oh he left already
18:43 < nuba> bummer
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19:33 < perlDreamer> Do I have to create a workflow to house a workflow activity that I want to test?
19:33 < perlDreamer> or can I just have it standalone?
19:34 < perlDreamer> oh, and SynQ, 3 out of 4 Kuskies love stroopwaffles
19:34 <@rizen> for now you need a workflow
19:34 < perlDreamer> and #4 is just being stubborn :)
19:34 <@rizen> i'm working on a stand alone tester, but it doesn't work yet
19:35 < perlDreamer> So I can't just do : MyActivity->new($session); $activity->execute()
19:38 <@rizen> you can, but then you also have to do the work that the workflow engine does
19:38 <@rizen> meaning create the objects that need to be passed in to execute
19:41 < perlDreamer> This is deleteExpiredSessions, I may try the cheap way since it doesn't take any objects
19:41 < perlDreamer> but I won't go crazy on testing the rest yet
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20:01 < perlDreamer> Haarg: Contrary to our previous discussion, I'm working on merging my latest test fix back into 7.4
20:02 < perlDreamer> it should make testing 7.4 previous to release easier
20:02 < perlDreamer> s/previous/prior/
20:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: colin * r4933 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fix a session bug where, when using noFuss, user session scratch was not cleaned up
20:03 < perlDreamer> yes, that's the one
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20:13 < elnino> where do I find out what uilevel I need to give a user in order to give them a particluar wobject?
20:14 < perlDreamer> short answer: this has been answered in the wiki and the forums before
20:14 < perlDreamer> long answer: it's a combination of source code and WebGUI config file
20:17 <@apeiron> I'm having issues getting the test for Spectre::Workflow (just checked in, you should see it once CIA wakes up) to properly return data. I'm absolutely certain there are active workflows (and the test adds one, just to be absolutely certain), because running spectre.pl --status shows them. Why am I getting an empty hashref in my test as a return from getJsonStatus? Yes, I've commented out the line that returns '{}' if no site is passe
20:17 < perlDreamer> apeiron, I think you got clipped
20:17 <@apeiron> perlDreamer: At which point, please?
20:18 < perlDreamer> "if no site is passe"
20:18 < perlDreamer> I've thought that sites may have been passe'
20:18 < elnino> perlDreamer - I looked on the wiki, didn't see any there. And in the config file, it just has a list of wobject, and no uilevels in it....?
20:18 <@apeiron> heh
20:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: colin * r4934 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (6 files in 6 dirs): backport fix from trunk and document session scratch bugfix
20:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: colin * r4935 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: forward port changelog from user session scratch bugfix
20:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: chrisn * r4936 /WebGUI/ (lib/Spectre/Workflow.pm t/Spectre/Workflow.t t/Spectre): 
20:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: Work towards having Spectre::Workflow::getJsonStatus return information about
20:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: all sites, needed for munging workflow monitoring into wremonitor.pl.
20:19 <@apeiron> perlDreamer: Looks like it's just missing a 'd.'
20:19 <@apeiron> "Yes, I've commented out the line that returns '{}' if no site is passed." <-- that's the end of my statement
20:21 < elnino> the only applicable wiki I could find was this: http://www.plainblack.com/community-wiki/ui-levels but it doesn't tell me anything about the levesl of each object.
20:23 < perlDreamer> you're right.  I was confusing that (form fields) with the overall UI level for the Asset.
20:23 < perlDreamer> In that case, it looks like reading through the source code.
20:24 < perlDreamer> the default is 1, unless specified in the definition sub
20:24 < perlDreamer> or overridden in the WebGUI config file
20:26 < elnino> hmm. second time you mentioned webgui config file.. Is there a special statement in there that can set the ui level?  I didn't see anything there. I have 7.3.22, but was using 7.21 Maybe my config file doesn't have it because I've upgraded without changing my config file?
20:27 < perlDreamer> that is possible
20:27 < perlDreamer> when referred to the WebGUI config file, it always pays to read WebGUI.conf.original
20:28 < elnino> so If I upgrade a user from 5 to 9 to get additional wojects, what else are they going to have access to other than the additional wobject. You mentioned form fields? - like??
20:29 < perlDreamer> some tabs in the edit forms have uiLevels that are higher than 5
20:29 < perlDreamer> additional settings like cache timeout
20:30 < perlDreamer> which wobject would you like to give your content managers access to/
20:31 < elnino> I just did it the hardway.. by increasing the ui level one at a time to see when they would get the redirect wobject.  I'll look in the original www config file to see if there are statements in there that I canadd to mine. Thanks!
20:35 < perlDreamer> I'll work on adding a page to the wiki.
20:35 < perlDreamer> If you'd like to help out, it would be great.
20:36 < elnino> yep, I'm going thru all the ui's and documentingn it, so I can put in the wobject stuff in. I was going to put it up there on the ui-levels' page, but if you want to start a different page, that would be great too.
20:37 < perlDreamer> http://www.plainblack.com/community-wiki/asset-ui-levels
20:37 < perlDreamer> It could use some formatting help, but it's a start
20:38 < perlDreamer> note, in order to get to the table, you have to edit the HTML directly
20:39 < perlDreamer> the RTE table controls aren't enabled for the webgui.org wiki
20:39 < elnino> that's fine.  ok, I'm almost done. I suppose there may have some changees, but at least it documents 7.3.22
20:39 < elnino> alsmost done with my changing of ui's that is, I'll get to the wiki soon.
20:39 < perlDreamer> :)
20:50 < elnino> perldreamer. hmm, my results were different than yours... did you over ride yours? or maybe they are different between versions? I have 7.3.22
20:51 <@apeiron> apeiron-- # not realising I need to restart spectre and not just modperl when mucking with /data/WebGUI/lib/Spectre/* modules
20:52 <@apeiron> Good thing is, the code that I could swear up down left right and sideways is right actually *is* right. :)
20:54 < perlDreamer> elnino: I used a quick and dirty find/grep script to pull out the data.  It could be wrong, but it should be double checked against the source code.
20:54 < perlDreamer> which ones do you think are wrong?
20:55 < perlDreamer> Also, if anyone has a non-WRE WebGUI running on Suse, debian or Ubuntu, I'd love to see what you think of this bug: http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/failing-sql_t-test-in-nightly-smoke-tests#SETlh5pZ68XBr7GrgqmPeQ
20:58  * perlDreamer goes away for a while for lunch
20:58 < perlDreamer> bbl
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21:10 < elnino> I posted mine under a different column, in case your's was a different version. i'm assuming you have 7.4.x  Everyone else is welcome to correct our info!
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21:33 < CIA-18> WebGUI: chrisn * r4937 /WebGUI/ (lib/Spectre/Workflow.pm t/Spectre/Workflow.t): 
21:33 < CIA-18> WebGUI: Fixups for the tests. I moved the nested key checking into a TODO block. I'm
21:33 < CIA-18> WebGUI: not sure how to handle them, as they may / may not exist in the %output hash.
21:33 < CIA-18> WebGUI: Sometimes they'll pass, sometimes they won't, depending upon the time you run
21:33 < CIA-18> WebGUI: it and the status of Spectre overall.
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23:09 < perlDreamer> apeiron, in your ref checks, try using ref_ok or isa_ok
23:10 < perlDreamer> they will save you a lot of typing :)
23:10 <@apeiron> perlDreamer++ Ah, okay, thanks. :)
23:11 < perlDreamer> I've been learning tons from O'Reilly's Perl Test Developers book.  I highly recommend it.
23:11 <@apeiron> Ooh, the Developer's Notebook one?
23:11 < perlDreamer> Yeah, by Ian Langworth and chromatic
23:12 <@apeiron> Sounds good. I'll need to check into it. Thanks for the reminder. :)
23:13 < perlDreamer> It's cool to see some spectre tests.  I'm glad you're writing them.
23:14 < perlDreamer> I hacked together a crude Workflow Activity test today, for deleteExpiredSessions to fix a bug found by mlamar
23:15 <@preaction> you could build a WebGUI::Test::Maker for workflow activities, just throwing that out there
23:15 <@preaction> one for Macros would probably be nice too
23:16 < perlDreamer> I'll look into that.
23:16 < perlDreamer> It will give me a reason to use that and really learn how it works.
23:16 <@preaction> it's almost stupidly simple, but that's why it's awesome ;)
23:17 < perlDreamer> apeiron, Test::Deep may be a good read, too.
23:17 < perlDreamer> It's nice for easily validating data structures.
23:17 <@apeiron> hmm.
23:17 <@preaction> is_deeply works, no?
23:18 < perlDreamer> yes, but it's kind of like hatchets instead of chain saws for cutting down trees
23:18 <@preaction> ahh
23:18 <@preaction> i've been using is_deeply to compare arrays or hashes mostly, nothing truly complex yet
23:18 < perlDreamer> Once you move up to objects, it will help a lot.
23:19 < perlDreamer> This hash key contains an array ref which may not contains any words like foo
23:19 <@preaction> automatically sorts and does fun stuff like that? kind of like Storable::canonical?
23:19 <@preaction> ooooooh
23:19 < perlDreamer> yeah
23:20 < perlDreamer> have a look at t/DatabaseLink.t
23:21 < perlDreamer> near the create bank of tests for a cmp_deeply call
23:22 < perlDreamer> I also like using it just for the nice diagnostics when simple data structures fail.
23:22 < perlDreamer> is_deeply stops at the first difference
23:23 < perlDreamer> cmp_deeply goes the next mile and checks the whole structure and tells you what's extra and/or missing
23:26 <@apeiron> If I'm going to send email on behalf of WebGUI for an automated process (like, say, a monitor application), is there a method I can call to get a 'from' email address, like, say, the site administrator or something?
23:28 <@preaction> $session->config->get("companyEmail") i think
23:28 <@preaction> it's something in the settings, not config
23:29 <@preaction> so session->settings->get
23:29 <@apeiron> Ah, thank you.
23:29 <@preaction> it should be that From by default though
23:30 <@apeiron> (intelligent design)++
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00:53 < perlDreamer> So....
00:53 < perlDreamer> I noticed that my WRE bug hasn't been fixed yet.
00:53 < perlDreamer> What are you guys doing, trying to work for a living? ;)
00:57 <@preaction> s/to/to avoid/
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01:02 <@apeiron> A bit old, but nonetheless awesome: http://perlbuzz.com/project-hum/2007/10/perl-5100-nears-code-freeze-release.html
01:06 < perlDreamer> Do we know when the WRE will upgrade to 5.10?
01:06 < perlDreamer> or, if?
01:14 < perlDreamer> Warnock applies...
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01:39 <@apeiron> perlDreamer: Should've asked during the WUC. :)
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15:26 < BartJol> Hi Radix
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23:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: dionak * r4940 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: Added operation user rfe doc to changelog
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23:19 <@apeiron> meh. itunes declared DRM-crippled.
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17:08 <+MrHairgrease> hey rizen
17:08 <+MrHairgrease> do you have time to think along a bit?
17:09 <@rizen> i have 4 minutes before I have to leave the house.
17:09 <@rizen> can you think that quickly?
17:09 <+MrHairgrease> prolly not
17:09 <@rizen> if so, i'm all yours
17:09 <+MrHairgrease> i'll write something on the dev list 
17:10 <@rizen> ok. 
17:10 <@rizen> sorry
17:10 <+MrHairgrease> it has to do with the Post/Thread thing
17:10 <+MrHairgrease> no problem
17:10 <+MrHairgrease> it's your weekend too =)
17:10 <@rizen> ok, yeah, throw it out there and i'll read and respond later
17:10 <+MrHairgrease> ok
17:10 <+MrHairgrease> thanks
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20:52 < wgGuest55> Hello, this is dhelsten, I've been on irc once or twice before.  I'm having difficulty troubleshooting my site.
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22:17 < wgGuest51> Hello, anyone out there.  I'm dhelsten and have been on irc a couple times.  I'm having difficulty troubleshooting a problem with my site.
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22:20 < wgGuest51> The site was working fine, but about a week ago it began showing an awstats error page instead of the site.  I can still reach the site by typing the IP address.  
22:22 < wgGuest51> I'm on Ubuntu 6.06 and WRE 0.7.2 with WG version 7.4.11.  
22:29 < wgGuest51> The domain access logs have only activity from wremonitor and when I access the site using the ip address.
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22:34 < wgGuest51> The strange thing is that the site was working just fine before and without any changes this happened
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15:31 < bartjol> xootom?
15:31 < bartjol> already some luck with your useresonline macro?
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16:16 < xootom> bartjol, no i had spectre problems recently and have had too many other things to do, but i will be back on track this week 
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18:21 < SDuensin> Greetings.
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18:42 < bartjol> hi Sduensin
18:42 < bartjol> bye
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19:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: chrisn * r4942 /WebGUI/ (lib/Spectre/Workflow.pm t/Spectre/Workflow.t): (log message trimmed)
19:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: Lots of fixes.
19:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: 1. Restore original getJsonStatus functionality of returning data for just one
19:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: site, if sitename is passed.
19:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: 2. Add a few comments to Spectre::Workflow::getJsonStatus to help explain what's
19:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: going on, and also add some whitespace to separate the code into logical pieces.
19:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: 3. Add tests for this functionality, doubling the number of tests for
19:05 <@apeiron> CIA-18, I added more than three fixes! grr.
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20:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: jt * r4944 /wrebuild/wre/ (docs/changelog.txt t/File.t): Added more WRE::File tests. (William McKee / Knowmad)
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00:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI: graham * r4947 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fix EMS in IE with reset style
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01:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: graham * r4948 /branch/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
01:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: Merged revisions 4947 via svnmerge from
01:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/WebGUI
01:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: ........
01:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI:  r4947 | graham | 2007-11-05 16:32:37 -0600 (Mon, 05 Nov 2007) | 2 lines
01:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI:  fix EMS in IE with reset style
01:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: ........
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06:33 < CIA-18> WebGUI: doug * r4949 /branch/photogallery/WebGUI/ (5 files in 4 dirs): more work. completed GalleryAlbum. started Gallery.
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09:12 < dapperedodo> Is the webgui.org site down?
09:12 <+Radix-wrk> Hmm.. seems like it
09:13 <+Radix-wrk> plainblack.com too
09:14 <+Radix-wrk> must just be that server tho.. demo.plainblack.com is up
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09:17 <+Radix-wrk> It's all bob's fault!
09:17 < dapperedodo> That must be the case:)
09:18 <+Radix-wrk> So how was the WUC this year?  good fun?
09:19 < dapperedodo> yes, Madison is not so bad after all
09:19 < dapperedodo> And there are a  lot of new features coming
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09:19 <+Radix-wrk> Cool - whoever the photographer was (s)he liked you guys - lots of photos of you, martin, koen and bart :)
09:19 <+Radix-wrk> http://www.plainblack.com/uploads/y6/wE/y6wEOm2ctrVKWAt9ihAR0w/WUC-2007---10-17-07-111.jpg
09:19 <+Radix-wrk> If pb.com was up then you'd be able to see that link :)
09:20 <+Radix-wrk> preaction: you to blame for webgui.org and plainblack.com being dead? :)
09:20 <@preaction> no
09:20 <+Radix-wrk> So it WAS bob!
09:20 <@preaction> that jerk, making me wake up at 1:20AM
09:25  * Radix-wrk pokes AMH_bob, saying "Cmon, no fun teasing you if you don't respond!"
09:26 < dapperedodo> I think he is still waking up with a nice cup of coffee
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10:05 < AMH_bob> Yep, I'm back and you better not blame me!
10:06 < AMH_bob> Hi preaction, midnight movies again?
10:06 <@preaction> not so much, babysitting support tickets
10:08 < AMH_bob> In the middle of the night?
10:11 <@preaction> not plainblack support, plainblack.com is down
10:11 <@preaction> er... was down until 10 seconds ago
10:17 < AMH_bob> Hmmmm, great - I had that friday night, I had to get op at 4am and lost quite a bit of sleep...
10:20 < AMH_bob> But the shift is on to the next guy now and I back to a full nights sleep!
10:24 <@preaction> lucky git. i think that was proposed, but it was just JT and I for a few months over the summer, and it remains us now
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18:33 < CIA-18> WebGUI: Add service-specific monitoring hooks for the four monitored aspects of the
18:33 < CIA-18> WebGUI: WRE, starting with Spectre. Stubs are in place for the other three and can be
18:33 < CIA-18> WebGUI: extended in similar fashion.
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22:41 < wgGuest58> hello folks
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22:41 < polar_action> anyone in?
22:47 <+MrHairgrease> only if it's a quicky =)
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22:51 < wgGuest44> sry
22:51 < wgGuest44> dunno what happened there
22:52 < wgGuest44> missed any answer
22:52 <+MrHairgrease> what was the question?
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22:52 < polar_action1> polar_action question above :o)
22:53 <+MrHairgrease> you mean: 'anyone in?'
22:53 <+MrHairgrease> well obviously =)
22:55 <+MrHairgrease> well have to go afk
22:55 <+MrHairgrease> post your question and maybe i can answer it later
22:55 < polar_action1> in the forum you mean???
22:55 < polar_action1> ta
22:55 < polar_action1> thanks...
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00:37 < wgGuest70> any ideas how i can manually restart the spectre service in windows xp?
00:37 < wgGuest70> i try the restart/start button in the console but i get the message, that the service had already started
00:39 <+Radix_> restart windows? :)
00:39 <+Radix_> the three R's of Microsoft tech support - retry, reboot, reinstall
00:41 < wgGuest70> yeah.. i've done that a few times :o)
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01:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: chrisn * r4951 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 5 dirs): 
01:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: Add the groupToEditPost field to the Collaboration system. This allows users
01:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: to specify a group of users that will always be able to do edits on posts,
01:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: regardless of whether they own those posts and independent of the editTimeout
01:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: field.
01:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: chrisn * r4952 /WebGUI/t/Asset/ (Post.t Wobject/Collaboration.t): 
01:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: Don't delete the groups used in the Post test, they're needed. May want to make
01:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: mock groups in the future. Also clean up some commented out things from
01:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: Collaboration.t.
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01:41 < elnino> hi.
01:42 < elnino> I have to approve commited versions, and I can't seem to figure ou how to view their changes. When I go to view the revision, the lock icon is there, so I can't view the changes to the asset's properties. Am I missing something?
01:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI: chrisn * r4953 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.4.12-7.5.0.pl: duh. Need to *call* the sub I added to the upgrade script.
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02:15 <@preaction> elnino, go to your inbox, you'll see the message that new content awaits your approval, you'll be able to peruse it from there
02:17 < elnino> Hi. Thanks for the response. That is where I've gone to view revision, and I see the page, but the changes she made were in the properties of the page layout, but I couldn't view them, because the lock icon was there in place of the edit button.
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05:27 < dionak> i've tried several settings and am not getting what i want
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13:20 < polar_action> hello, is anyone alive in here?
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14:05 <+Radix_> no
14:06 < polar_action> me either :o)
14:07 < polar_action> im wondering if you know how to setup a simple comparison matrix example, or can point me to a help page somewhere?
14:07 <+Radix_> Never used the matrix I'm afraid
14:07 <+Radix_> I assume there's nothing in the wiki about it?
14:08 < polar_action> nope :o(
14:09 < polar_action> i have a matrix with some products, but don't know how to link that to any data..
14:09 <+Radix_> not much I can suggest really.. cept play with it until you sus it out
14:09 < polar_action> yeah... thats what im up to
14:09 <+Radix_> use the demo.plainblack.com site to mess around with it perhaps
14:09 <+Radix_> if you don't want to mess up your own site
14:10 <+Radix_> I know cmsmatrix.org is built using it
14:10 < polar_action> will do.. i hadn;t seen that. thanks
14:10 < polar_action> yeah.. it was one of the guys on the compare sites that recommended it
14:10 < polar_action> its just documentation for demo users like myslef is a bit scarce
14:11 < polar_action> thanks anyway.. out for lunch but will be back later... 
14:11 < polar_action> if anyone else in here knows about the "matrix", please get in touch, thanks :o)
14:12 <+Radix_> Yeah, well might be worth picking up the content managers guide from PB then - worthwhile having for newbies and helps PB too
14:21 < bartjol> > Polar action I have an old WebGUI version, 7.3.22, which contains some information on the matrix (it's still includsed in the help)
14:22 < bartjol> I can print it to pdf and email them to you
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15:52 < SDuensin> Greetings.
16:42 < bartjol> hi
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16:46 < polar_action> hi bartjol
16:47 < polar_action> that would be smashing if you could do that
16:47 < polar_action> if you are there!!!
16:47  * polar_action just notices the time message was left at :o)
16:51 < bartjol> I'm still here
16:51 < polar_action> pheww :o)
16:51 < bartjol> :)
16:52 < bartjol> it's your lucky day
16:52 < polar_action> it sure is!!  email addy is  polar_action@hotmail.com
16:52 < polar_action> ive been stuggling through all the options and just don't seem to "get it"
16:53 < bartjol> well, i will be printing for a while then
16:53 < polar_action> :o)
17:00 < bartjol> sending....
17:01 < bartjol> mind that it is for another version, so changes might occur
17:07 < polar_action> ok. many thanks
17:07 < bartjol> good luck
17:07 < polar_action> im just trying to do something really simple like a really simplified version of http://www.comparecanines.com/
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17:09 < bartjol> ah, ok well that should be possible, but some help files are usefull
17:09 < bartjol> never tried it myself though
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17:14 < polar_action> here i go!!
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19:29 < perlDreamer> Is there a release going out today?
19:29 < perlDreamer> I was thinking of fixing a bug this morning, but don't want to booger anything up
19:29 < perlDreamer> for y'all
19:30 <@khenn> I'm not sure.  I think JT is out.  Graham might be doing a release.  He's in IRC but might be busy
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19:35 < perlDreamer> Haarg: ping
19:35 < perlDreamer> wake up!
19:35 <@Haarg> ?
19:35 <@Haarg> oh
19:35 < perlDreamer> release today?  or is it safe to fix bugs this morning?
19:35 <@Haarg> safe to fix bugs
19:35 < perlDreamer> thanks, man!
19:35 <@Haarg> i want to get a few more in before pushing the release
19:36 < perlDreamer> what would be a good deadline for me?
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19:36 < perlDreamer> I may not have spare time until this afternoon
19:36 <@Haarg> 5pm central i guess
19:37 < perlDreamer> I'll do what I can
19:37 < perlDreamer> If there's any big changes, please email me
19:37 <@Haarg> sure
19:37 < perlDreamer> $dayJob is deciding whether or not IRC is legal to use
19:37 < perlDreamer> grrrrrr
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19:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI: graham * r4954 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Collaboration.pm: copy CS sorting fix from branch
20:24 < polar_action> hi folks
20:25 < polar_action> i've started a demo webgui and see it lasts for a day... but is that 24 full hours?? or does it get binned at midnight?
20:25 < polar_action> anyone know?
20:25 <+MrHairgrease> dunno
20:25 <@Haarg> 24 hours
20:26 <+MrHairgrease> you had a question yesterday right?
20:26 <+MrHairgrease> is it solved yet?
20:28 < polar_action> yeah, thanks MrHair
20:28 <+MrHairgrease> ok
20:29 <+MrHairgrease> good
20:29 < polar_action> im such a n00b, and missed a section in the forums
20:29 < polar_action> thanks Haarg
20:29 < polar_action> also, is it possible to export the data from the demo, to my installation?
20:30 <+MrHairgrease> dunno what you're doing
20:30 <+MrHairgrease> but the way to do that is to make a package of your asset
20:30 <+MrHairgrease> export that
20:30 <+MrHairgrease> and import in your other site
20:30 <+MrHairgrease> you can make a package of asset by editing them
20:30 <+MrHairgrease> going to the misc tab
20:30 <+MrHairgrease> and set make package to yes
20:31 <+MrHairgrease> misc tab = metadata tab
20:31 < polar_action> cool.. i'll give it a try
20:32 <+MrHairgrease> to export it the package
20:32 <+MrHairgrease> go to the asset manager
20:32 <+MrHairgrease> it'll be somewhere at the bottom of the page 
20:32 <+MrHairgrease> use the export button to actually export is
20:32 <+MrHairgrease> importing again is also done through the asset manager
20:36 < polar_action> i;ll give it a go once ive finalised my matrix
20:36 < polar_action> thanks for the help
20:36 <+MrHairgrease> ok
20:36 <+MrHairgrease> np
20:41 < polar_action> oh!! last question, i promise (for now)...
20:42 < polar_action> how can i edit the default colors that were set at installation?
20:42 <+MrHairgrease> you mean with the site starter?
20:43 < polar_action> yes, i think so
20:43 <+MrHairgrease> checking it out right now
20:43 < polar_action> im not going to get into templates and stuff just now...  only if the client likes the matrix
20:43 <+MrHairgrease> hold on
20:43 < polar_action> and if they do i'll invest in the documentation!
20:44 <+MrHairgrease> hmm
20:44 <+MrHairgrease> dunno
20:44 <+MrHairgrease> it's pretty new
20:44 <+MrHairgrease> and I have never used it
20:44 < polar_action> :o)  so thats good. It's not just me :oD
20:44 <+MrHairgrease> sure
20:44 <+MrHairgrease> i guess it just writes out some css to a snippet or so
20:45 <+MrHairgrease> yeah
20:45 < polar_action> yeah.. no doubt.. but im only 1 day into using this so it'll take some time for me to figure
20:45 <+MrHairgrease> my-style.css
20:45 < polar_action> and on the demo that'll not be available :o(
20:46 < polar_action> oh well.. no worries.. i'll do that stuff on my own installation 2morrow
20:46 < polar_action> once again, thanks MrH
20:46 <+MrHairgrease> ok do this
20:46 <+MrHairgrease> you can edit the css file like this
20:46 <+MrHairgrease> add the following to the gateway of your site
20:47 <+MrHairgrease> so on demo that would be after the demp123_etc/ part
20:47 <+MrHairgrease> /root/import/my-style.css?func=edit
20:47 <+MrHairgrease> be sure to be logged in as admin
20:47 <+MrHairgrease> dunno how to get the site starter interface back (if at all possible)
20:48 <+MrHairgrease> good luck
20:51 < polar_action> thanks.. it turns out that the some matrix stuff is embedded html and not in the mystyle.css, 
20:51 < polar_action> its not that important just now
20:52 < polar_action> cheers
20:52 <+MrHairgrease> heh that's funny
20:52 <+MrHairgrease> i was just about to go out and grab a couple of beers =)
20:53 < polar_action> go and get the beers :o)
20:53 < polar_action> im done for this evening anyway
20:54 <+MrHairgrease> thanks for the advice
20:54 <+MrHairgrease> sound quite sound
20:54 <+MrHairgrease> i'll be off then
20:54 <+MrHairgrease> later
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21:12 < XSLord> hello everyone!
21:13 < XSLord> i have just came across WebGUI (weel 2b honest a couple of weeks ago)
21:14 < XSLord> at the moment i am testing/evaluating joomla, drupal, silverstripe and also wordpress
21:16 < XSLord> webgui looks quite promising, the downside is that it doesn't look like you could installed on an hosting (like joomla, drupal, etc...)
21:16 < XSLord> still i would like to know is there any chance that there will be such a version?
21:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: graham * r4956 /branch/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
21:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: Merged revisions 4955 via svnmerge from
21:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/WebGUI
21:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: ........
21:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI:  r4955 | graham | 2007-11-07 12:53:40 -0600 (Wed, 07 Nov 2007) | 2 lines
21:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI:  fix backslash doubling on ical import
21:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: ........
21:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI: colin * r4957 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/docs/ (changelog/7.x.x.txt upgrades/upgrade_7.4.12-7.4.13.pl): remove old Events Calendar templates
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21:55 < perlDreamer> Haarg: I'm having some problems merging in the upgrade file.  Any suggestions?
21:55 < perlDreamer> merging from branch back to trunk, that is
21:56 <@Haarg> hmm
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21:57 <@Haarg> that's a bit wierd, because the upgrade script will be copied into the trunk
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21:57 < elnino> Hi. anyone out there know anything about having japanese or chinese webpages? Do I have to install fonts or something on my linux machine?
21:58 < perlDreamer> Haarg: maybe I should merge just the upgrade script
21:58 < perlDreamer> in any case, if you don't see it in trunk when you tape out, I'm still having problems :)
21:59 <@Haarg> well, i'll be copying the branch upgrade script to trunk, after the upgrade anyway
22:00 < perlDreamer> I'll let you do it then.  That way we won't be stepping on each others toes.
22:43 < elnino> anyone out there experinced in any multi language sites and using webgui?
22:43 < elnino> does webgui support UTF-8 Unicode?
23:16 < perlDreamer> I think you can set the encoding in your templates.
23:17 < perlDreamer> I'd recommend looking in the forums, or perhaps digging into one of the non-american
23:17 < perlDreamer> WebGUI sites, like oqapi.nl, or procolix.com
23:26 < elnino> hi perldreamer. after reading some more, my linux machine is utf, which I get the impression that that is a prerequisite. I searched the forums for utf and unicode with not much luck. I'll look some more.
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00:18 < nutrino> any documentation on updating my puggable auth module to work with the new Auth.pm? for cross domain state, and whatever new stuff was introduced lately
00:20 < nutrino> if not i can pry just make the module again based on the new Auth.pm
00:36 < nutrino> uh oh.
00:36 < nutrino> tried to revert back and im still seeing the error.
00:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI: chrisn * r4958 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 
00:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI: Fix the groupToEditPost field defaulting to the groupIdEdit field. Make sure
00:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI: that the added collab system in the test has a parent asset as well, to ensure
00:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI: that the inheritance works properly.
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01:48 < nutrino> Where is the password change form?
01:50 < nutrino> nvm , found the script
01:52 < nutrino> had to set a static login for my users. man im ashamed.
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06:56 <+perlDreamer> Any news on the release?  Did it go okay?
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06:58 <+perlDreamer> are there any non-bot people awake?
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07:08 <+Radix-wrk> pd: no
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07:23 < perlDreame1> no, you're not awake, or no, no news on the release?
07:23 < perlDreame1> You australians confuse me!
07:24 < perlDreame1> irc seems a little touchy tonight
07:28 <+Radix-wrk> It's 2.30pm here :)
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07:28 <+Radix-wrk> and no, was whether there were any non-bot people awake :)
07:35 < perlDreame1> How was your sabbatical?
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07:47 <@preaction> sup
07:47 < perlDreame1> No release today?
07:47 <@preaction> dunno, not my department anymore
07:47 < perlDreame1> What, you guys don't talk anymore? :)
07:48 < perlDreame1> I found a bad Help bug and fixed it.
07:48 <@preaction> not much, i've got a one-track goal: Gallery
07:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI: colin * r4959 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 5 dirs): fix bad import of help template variables. Loops are now handled correctly. Added a test with supporting collateral to make sure this does not happen again
07:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI: colin * r4960 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (5 files in 5 dirs): backport Help variable fix from trunk
07:48 < perlDreame1> yup, that's the one
07:48 < perlDreame1> thanks CIA-18
07:49 <@preaction> maybe graham's waiting for a bit yet
07:49 < perlDreame1> I'll send Haarg an email.
07:49 <@preaction> we've got strange sleep cycles around here, i don't know his at all
07:49 <@preaction> and we're having a meeting tomorrow, so he's gotta be up 9-5, so i dunno what he's doing for that
07:51 < perlDreame1> ok
07:52 < perlDreame1> well, there are no release commits or forum posts, so maybe I made it in under the deadline.
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08:39 <+Radix-wrk> Sounds like it may be changed tomorrow anyway.. but until then! :)
08:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI: graham * r4961 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/SQLForm.pm): fix missing field_loop in SQL Form template
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13:19 < XSLord> hi everyone!
13:20 < XSLord> is there anyone would be so kind to give an answer on a question on WbGUI i've got?
13:23 < AMH_bob> Just give it a go, just be sure enough to wait and see if someone shows up who has the right answer
13:23 < AMH_bob> (that could take a while...)
13:23 < AMH_bob> :P
14:44 < AMH_bob> @XSLord: I'm not kidding, just ask your question and wait a while, you most surely will get an answer.
15:05 <+Radix_> I agree with Bob.. ask.. and be patient and you'll be rewarded :)
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15:19 < nutrino> Would preload.custom expect the directory my pluggable auth module resides in?
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16:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: graham * r4962 /branch/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
16:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: Merged revisions 4961 via svnmerge from
16:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/WebGUI
16:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: ........
16:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI:  r4961 | graham | 2007-11-08 00:33:40 -0600 (Thu, 08 Nov 2007) | 2 lines
16:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI:  fix missing field_loop in SQL Form template
16:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: ........
16:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: graham * r4963 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.4.13 release
16:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: jt * r4964 /releases/WebGUI_7.4.13-stable: Release 7.4.13-stable
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16:33 < CIA-18> WebGUI: graham * r4965 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (4 files in 4 dirs): preparing for 7.4.14 dev
16:33 < CIA-18> WebGUI: graham * r4966 /WebGUI/docs/ (4 files in 2 dirs): merging 7.4 changes
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17:04 < nutrino> phew
17:04 < nutrino> fixed my issue by upgrading CGI.pm
17:04 < nutrino> all signs pointed to that being the issue anyway.
17:05 < nutrino> but why would CGI.pm break during an upgrade???
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18:26 <@apeiron> For the PIRG work that I'm doing (groupToEditPost field for CSs), do they have a dev server set up where I can apply the patch, or is there some other way they want me to provide this to them?
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18:44 <@apeiron> Crap, boss's here, gotta look like we're working!
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21:48 < CIA-29> WebGUI: chrisn * r4968 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Collaboration.pm: Gr. One more attempt at getting the default to work properly.
21:49 <@apeiron> hmph. CIA jumped from -18 last night to -29 this afternoon.
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01:03 < CIA-29> WebGUI: graham * r4969 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/File.pm): fix CS posts not allowing new attachments after deleting old ones
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07:33 < CIA-29> WebGUI: dionak * r4970 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Operation/Group.pm: Adding message if group count exceeds 250
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16:11 < AMH_bob> Greetings.
16:12 < SDuensin> Hey AMH_bob 
16:12 < AMH_bob> Hi SDuensin: No Greetings today?
16:13 < SDuensin> Greetings!
16:13 <+MrHairgrease> Greetings!
16:16 < AMH_bob> Grrrrrrreat!
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16:49 < wgGuest13> When you create a pagelayout, must the namespace be left blank?
17:04 < AMH_bob> No, you can fill in an URL kind of path
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18:18 < CIA-29> WebGUI: colin * r4971 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Operation/Group.pm i18n/English/WebGUI.pm): internationalized the high group count message
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20:52 < nutrino> is there a template variable to return true if a user is logged in?
20:56 < AMH_henry> There's a User macro. maybe you can use that to determine whether user is logged in
20:56 < nutrino> yah, the one that returns a user name
20:56 < nutrino> i guess i could check to see if that is empty
20:57 < AMH_henry> according to the doc, you can get any profile field
20:57 < nutrino> cool
20:57 < AMH_henry> btw, username won't be empty. it will be visitor i think
20:57 < nutrino> ok
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23:33 < CIA-29> WebGUI: colin * r4972 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Session/Url.pm t/Session/Url.t): 
23:33 < CIA-29> WebGUI: Start adding coverage to the getBackToSiteURL method.
23:33 < CIA-29> WebGUI: Remove the old commented out MockObject request code. It's PseudoRequest or bust.
23:33 < CIA-29> WebGUI: WGBP indent some of the Session/Url methods.
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23:41 < perlDreamer> MrHairGrease: ping
23:41 < perlDreamer> Art thou awake, oh European uber-hacker?
23:43 <@apeiron> überhacker
23:43 < perlDreamer> You're correct, of course.  But finch may yack on special characters.
23:44 <@apeiron> ooh, text mode.
23:44 < perlDreamer> the lengths one must resort to to get on IRC
23:44 < nuba> apeiron: that comes as überhacker here
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23:45 <@apeiron> nuba, Should, my setup is AFAICT proper UTF-8.
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23:45 < perlDreamer> well, let me ask the question generally and see what pops up.
23:45 < nuba> mine isnt :)
23:45 < perlDreamer> the SQL.t test needs to ask the database whether or not it has InnoDb installed in order
23:45 < perlDreamer> to run tests on WebGUI's transaction handling.
23:45 < perlDreamer> any ideas how to do that?
23:46 <@apeiron> hmm
23:46 < perlDreamer> that's why the smoke tests are failing in one place, btw
23:46 <@apeiron> I'd try looking at whether you can query for it with SQL.
23:46 < perlDreamer> I could try the MySQL dev site.
23:54 < nuba> query is SHOW VARIABLES 
23:54 < nuba> or SHOW GLOBAL VARIABLES
23:54 < nuba> or SHOW SESSION VARIABLES
23:54 < nuba> depends on your mysql version
23:54 < nuba> look for have_innodb
23:54 <@apeiron> nuba++
23:54 < nuba> thx
23:55 < nuba> does that actually give me some karma in webgui.org?
23:55 <@apeiron> perlbot, karma nuba
23:55 < perlbot> Karma for nuba: 1
23:55 <@apeiron> Not quite.
23:55 < nuba> that'd be nice
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23:56 < nuba> actually i can envision a future where this channel becomes a karma trading place
23:56 < nuba> people coming from all around and trading features for karma etc
23:56 < nuba> :)
23:56 < elnino> hi. I have a cs system with "committ with approval"  but their posts are coming thru automatically without need of approval. is this a bug, or a misunderstanding on my part? The peopel posting have edit permission and posting permissions to the cs. I'm using 7.3.22
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00:07 < perlDreamer> SHOW ENGINES is good, too, but I like nuba's solution better
00:07 < perlDreamer> show global variables where Variable_name='have_innodb';
00:09 < perlDreamer> nuba: we'd need a bot that can talk to spectre, plus a custom workflow or 2
00:09 < perlDreamer> that would work
00:23 <+MrHairgrease> elnino did you copmmit your version tag?
00:23 <+MrHairgrease> else i dunno
00:24 <+MrHairgrease> pd: pong
00:24 <+MrHairgrease> but your question is answered already i presume
00:25 < elnino> no, when the person saves the post, it doesn't get put into a version tag, it goes right thru.  The site settings is set to "approval with commit" as well. I tried this myself, and the post goes immediately through. My understanding is that the way my settings are, that the new post should be manually approved right? Even if the poster is allowed edit permissions?
00:27 < perlDreamer> MrHairGrease: that is so
00:27 <+MrHairgrease> no i mean the version tag in which your cs is
00:28 <+MrHairgrease> you chang the approval workflow
00:28 <+MrHairgrease> after that you'll have to commit the change
00:28 <@preaction> elnino, the collab system doesn't use the site's setting. you have to go to the security tab of the CS configuration to change the workflow it uses
00:29 <@preaction> i believe that you should submit an RFE to have the "default" approval workflow for CSes be the site's default workflow (instead of Commit Without Approval like it is now)
00:29 <@preaction> and i'm going to update the Gallery to fix that right away
00:29 < elnino> right. I just mentioned it for more info. Both the site and the CS settings is the "commitwith approval" but a new post goes thru without aproval.
00:29 <@preaction> is the CS committed?
00:30 <@preaction> does your Commit With Approval workflow have the "Request Approval ..." workflow activity?
00:30 < elnino> yes. the cs is already created, and has existing posts. New posts go thru without approval. if the post is modifed then it goes thru the approval process.
00:30 <@preaction> what version are you running?
00:31 < elnino> I don't know. it's the default approval workflow. I'm afraid to change those. The site changes work just great.  7.3.22
00:31 <@preaction> if you can reproduce using a demo site, it might be prudent to post a bug report
00:32 < perlDreamer> lots of bugs have already been fixed between 7.3.22 and 7.4.today
00:32 <+MrHairgrease> ok guys
00:32 <+MrHairgrease> going to sleep
00:32 <+MrHairgrease> later
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00:42 < perlDreamer> Anyone have 5 minutes to try a test fix out for me?  You need to have the WRE and a SVN copy of wG.
00:43 <@preaction> sure
00:43 < perlDreamer> you'll need to do an update
00:43 < perlDreamer> WEBGUI_CONFIG=/data/WebGUI/etc/mywebgui.conf
00:43 < perlDreamer> cd /data/WebGUI/t
00:43 < perlDreamer> perl SQL.t
00:44 < perlDreamer> you should see 7 skipped tests
00:44 < perlDreamer> and no failing tests
00:44 <@preaction> updating svn now
00:45 < perlDreamer> preaction: did you see that I've started migrating the tests away from Test::MockObject over to
00:45 < perlDreamer> your supercharted PseudoRequest?
00:46 < perlDreamer> s/rted/rged/
00:46 <@preaction> looks like i got 7 failed but they show up as "skipped" to prove
00:46 <@preaction> prove doesn't seem to like skip
00:46 < perlDreamer> it should be okay.
00:46 < perlDreamer> btw, where's rizen?
00:46 < perlDreamer> haven't seen him online for a while
00:47 <@preaction> ahh: it worked once, but every time afterward it's died
00:47 < perlDreamer> the test?
00:47 < perlDreamer> hm
00:47 <@preaction> he's on IRC when he's working (usually 9-5)
00:48 < perlDreamer> paste?
00:48 <@preaction> yeah, reproduced: the first time it does what you described, the second time it dies
00:48 < CIA-29> WebGUI: colin * r4973 /WebGUI/t/SQL.t: add a prototype fix for not having InnoDB tables causing test errors
00:49 <@preaction> perlbot pastebin
00:49 < perlbot> (see paste)
00:49 <@preaction> perlbot paste
00:49 < perlbot> Paste your code to http://sial.org/pbot/perl http://erxz.com/pb or http://p3m.org/paste/fn/perl and #Perl will be able to view it.
00:49 <@preaction> http://sial.org/pbot/28529
00:50 < perlDreamer> took a blind stab at a fix in 4974
00:51 < perlDreamer> yeah, might have been a good blind stab
00:51 < perlDreamer> I left the test table in place at the end of the test, but hid the cleanup
00:51 < perlDreamer> inside the SKIP
00:51 < perlDreamer> should work now
00:51 <@preaction> k
00:52 <@preaction> seems to work now
00:52 < perlDreamer> when the smoke tests work again, that should be 1 less problem
00:52 <@preaction> woot!
00:52 < perlDreamer> how's le galleria coming?
00:53 <@preaction> quite well. almost got the perl code ready to start adding templates / debugging frontend
00:53 <@preaction> still need to find a solution to the problem of not being able to use PseudoRequest to upload files
00:55 < perlDreamer> would a tied filehandle help?
00:56 <@preaction> i think it's more we have to mock Apache2::Upload or something, i don't know
00:56 <@preaction> session uses Apache2::Upload to get the file, but that requires libapr
00:57 <@preaction> once you try to load libapr, the tests will die
00:59 < perlDreamer> request->upload returns a list of filehandles
00:59 < perlDreamer> and the Storage just does a byte smart read on that filehandle to implement a copy
00:59 < perlDreamer> See Storage.pm, line 204 or so
01:00 < perlDreamer> but if session->request is a PseudoRequest, it should bypass that step
01:00 < elnino> 'k - I checked the demo.  It appears that you've made a distinction between new posts and new threads. I guess I was using the wrong term..  I was refering to new threads bypassing the approval process. And given that there is now a distinction, I suspect there was difference on how the two should be handled?
01:01 <@preaction> elnino, i don't know. maybe that's just how the bug was fixed.
01:02 < perlDreamer> preaction: I think you meant Storage, not Session
01:02 < perlDreamer> can we move that load into preload.perl?
01:02 < elnino> So I can only conclude that new *threads* were intended to bypass the approval process, but new posts are supposed to be approved.  So if I upgrade, gosh, if there are new settings like this, how does it determine what I want?
01:03 < perlDreamer> elnino: new settings defer to predetermined default during the upgrade process.
01:03 < perlDreamer> if you want something different from that, you'd have to go back and alter them
01:03 < CIA-29> WebGUI: colin * r4974 /WebGUI/t/SQL.t: always, always cleanup after myself in tests. sigh.
01:03 <@preaction> elnino, which are usually exactly how things were before the upgrade
01:04 <@preaction> or we try to get an idea for what most people want, like good UI does
01:04 <@preaction> perlDreamer, i don't remember why Apache2::Upload is there exactly, but that'd be the first step in figuring out if it can be moved
01:06 <@preaction> it doesn't look like there's any real reason why it couldn't be moved, it looks like Apache2::Upload is just a mixin to add the upload() method to Apache2::Request
01:07 < elnino> ok. Thanks!
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01:16 < perlDreamer> we could also just mock it, using fake_module like you were suggesting earlier.
01:21 <@preaction> what would that entail though? it's just a mixin for Apache2::Request
01:27 < perlDreamer> it should avoid loading libapr?
01:30 < perlDreamer> well, with also fake'ing Apache2::Request it would avoid that
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02:09 < perlDreamer> preaction: it's done
02:09 < perlDreamer> check out #4975
02:09 <@preaction> sweet, i'll have to merge that for the gallery
02:10 < perlDreamer> I'm about 99% convinced that WebGUI::Test should always return a PseudoRequest'ed Session var by default
02:11 < perlDreamer> It's just too handy
02:12 <@preaction> i'll update WebGUI::Test->getPage to add the uploads section to it (it's documented but it doesn't work). which means updating WebGUI::Test::Maker::HTML
02:12 <@preaction> they're supposed to be filehandles, right?
02:13 < perlDreamer> yes/no
02:13 < perlDreamer> they're really objects with methods for filename, size and fh
02:13 < perlDreamer> we need another class to handle that
02:13 < perlDreamer> I'll work on it
02:13 < perlDreamer> sorry about jumping the gun
02:18 < CIA-29> WebGUI: colin * r4975 /WebGUI/t/ (lib/WebGUI/PseudoRequest.pm Storage.t): enable testing of $session->request->uploads through WebGUI::PseudoRequest. Now we need a good utility method for sending a list of files to a sub and having it return a list of filehandles to those files
02:30 <@preaction> so something like WebGUI::Test->addUploadedFile( filepath )?
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02:31 < perlDreamer> well, I stuck it in PseudoRequest
02:31 < perlDreamer> and it takes a list of files
02:32 < perlDreamer> rather than a directory
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03:03 < CIA-29> WebGUI: colin * r4976 /WebGUI/t/ (lib/WebGUI/PseudoRequest.pm Storage.t): (log message trimmed)
03:03 < CIA-29> WebGUI: Finish up the file upload handling by PseudoRequest. If you
03:03 < CIA-29> WebGUI: call $pseudoRequest->uploadFiles with a list of filenames, it will populate
03:03 < CIA-29> WebGUI: the upload method with upload objects, so that Storage->getFileFromFormPost
03:03 < CIA-29> WebGUI: will have an object with all the right methods.
03:03 < CIA-29> WebGUI: t/Storage.t tests this incidently. It occurs to me that we need tests
03:03 < CIA-29> WebGUI: for our PseudoRequest module, and it needs POD, and it should probably
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18:43 <+perlDreamer> fire, flood foe!
18:43 <+perlDreamer> raise the hue and the cry!
18:43 <+perlDreamer> webgui.org is beseiged and beset upon by foul means!
18:44 <+perlDreamer> in other words
18:44 <+perlDreamer> it's broke
18:54 <+perlDreamer> "OMG.  They killed webgui.org"
18:56 <+perlDreamer> Alas poor webgui.org, I knew him well
18:57 <+perlDreamer> Come, let us destroy webgui.org, and rule the galaxy as father and son!
18:57 <+perlDreamer> webgui.org needs food badly
18:58 <+perlDreamer> webgui.org is about to die
18:59 <+perlDreamer> webgui.org is dead, Jim.
19:01 <+perlDreamer> Remember the webgui.org!
19:31 <+perlDreamer> Give me webgui.org, or give me death!
19:37 <@apeiron> Loads fine for me. So I guess you live.
19:41 <+perlDreamer> I get a 500 error
19:41  * perlDreamer feels his heartbeat stutter a bit
19:41 <+perlDreamer> but  pb.com works fine
19:44 <+Radix_> works here
19:54  * perlDreamer must be cursed
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02:11 < crythia1> goodbye 
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13:02 < SynQ> hi there
13:03 < SynQ> since it's weekend...
13:03 < SynQ> is there a way to get the latest version of WRE from svn somewhere?
13:10 < SynQ> :)
13:24 < SynQ> in that case, I'll just focus on the 0.8.0 version
13:44 <@preaction> SynQ, svn.webgui.org/plainblack/wrebuild
14:00 < SynQ> ah
14:00 < SynQ> :)
15:01 < SynQ> the nicest thing about compiling the wre is that it takes for ages
15:01 < SynQ> :)
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16:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI: jt * r4977 /tools/makerelease.pl: this should fix the commit problem with smoke tests
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23:03 < SynQ> hi there
23:04 < SynQ> is feedback on a specific svn version of the WRE valued
23:04 < SynQ> ?
23:04 < SynQ> syntax error at /data/wre/lib/WRE/Spectre.pm line 262, near "sum values"
23:06 <@rizen> please submit a bug report and i'll look into it
23:06 <@rizen> and yes
23:06 <@rizen> it is valued
23:06 <@rizen> i hope to put out the 0.8.1 version on monday
23:06 < SynQ> great
23:06 < SynQ> I will
23:07 < SynQ> submit a bug report that is
23:13 < SynQ> Done
23:14 <@rizen> when i get out the next wre release depends greatly upon when i can resolve these pesky windows bugs that are remaining
23:16 < SynQ> windows bugs
23:17 < SynQ> ok, but I get my bug on debian
23:17 < SynQ> not on windows
23:17 <@rizen> i said nothing about your bug
23:17 < SynQ> I know
23:17 < SynQ> I don't care about windows
23:18 <@rizen> but i've resolved to release all os versions at the same time
23:18 < SynQ> ah
23:19 < SynQ> understandable
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02:49 <+perlDreamer> apeiron: ping
02:49 <+perlDreamer> You can close this bug with one line of code: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/wre/spectre_pm-line-262-syntax-error
02:51 <@rizen> closed
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02:58 <+perlDreamer> sweet
02:58 <+perlDreamer> You have proper duck alignment?
02:59 <@rizen> nope still working on straightening out the foul
02:59 <+perlDreamer> heh
03:00 <@rizen> it's going to take a while to get that done
03:00 <@rizen> i could go for some smores right now
03:00 <@rizen> could you bring some over?
03:00 <+perlDreamer> mmmmm
03:01 <+perlDreamer> I'll start building a fire
03:01 <+perlDreamer> You going to be up loate?
03:04 <+perlDreamer> It will take a while to make them.
03:05 <@rizen> i'm actuallying thinking about hitting some video games in a ibt
03:05 <@rizen> s/ibt/bit/
03:05 <+perlDreamer> I fixed the SQL.t errors for the tests, and now looking at the graphic tests that are failing.
03:05 <@rizen> so i'll be up if you want to bring them over =)
03:05 <+perlDreamer> I'll put them into my DVD drive and rip them digitally, then you can reconstitute them with your Mac.
03:06 <@rizen> don't spend time on the graphics tests for right now
03:06 <@rizen> we're working on getting image magick to work on freebsd
03:06 <@rizen> and if it does
03:06 <@rizen> then we'll be ditching graphics magic
03:06 <@rizen> and the tests will start working automatically again
03:06 <+perlDreamer> okay.  I thought we like Graphics::Magick.  Stable, faster, yada yada yada
03:06 <@rizen> not faster
03:06 <@rizen> supposedly more stable
03:07 <@rizen> and it works on freebsd
03:07 <@rizen> that's the big key
03:07 <@rizen> but now we have a freebsd junkie on staff
03:07 <@rizen> and he's going to help get image magick working on freebsd
03:07 <+perlDreamer> apeiron or Haarg?
03:07 <@rizen> image magick is more powerful
03:07 <@rizen> apeiron
03:10 <+perlDreamer> dude, I'm sorry.  Smores isn't going to work.  How 'bout one of these instead?
03:10 <+perlDreamer> http://www.phobe.com/sfi/accordion.html
03:12 <@rizen> that's awesome
03:12 <@rizen> though not as awesome as smores
03:12 <@rizen> pd, i've got a problem, i have no idea how to test the new pluggable url handlers that i'm making
03:12 <@rizen> it requires apache objects
03:13 <@rizen> i think i'll commit without tests, once it's working and then ask for your help on how to write the tests
03:13 <+perlDreamer> either mech, or Apache::Test
03:13 <+perlDreamer> can you mock the objects?
03:13 <+perlDreamer> eh, nevermind
03:13 <+perlDreamer> they're probably integral
03:13 <@rizen> i don't know. maybe. i'll have to look into that. i've never done any of the fancy tests that you've written
03:14 <+perlDreamer> We finally started mocking Apache::Upload on Friday.
03:14 <+perlDreamer> Now you can do actual file uploads in tests.
03:14 <+perlDreamer> I made it for preaction to test the gallery
03:14 <+perlDreamer> Honestly, this thing might be releasable to the public.
03:14 <+perlDreamer> It's fairly handy.
03:15 <@rizen> you mean to cpan?
03:15 <+perlDreamer> yeah
03:15 <@rizen> you should
03:15 <+perlDreamer> I can't
03:15 <@rizen> why?
03:15 <+perlDreamer> It's not mine anymore
03:15 <+perlDreamer> It's yours
03:15 <@rizen> bah
03:15 <@rizen> that's not how it works
03:15 <@rizen> when you commit to svn you give us a license to do whatever we want with it
03:16 <@rizen> but that doesn't mean we own it
03:16 <@rizen> it's still yours too
03:16 <+perlDreamer> as long as you don't mind, nor send your lawyers after me, nor trump my ace lead and scarf my smores
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03:21 <+perlDreamer> Tim wrote to the President of the US last night
03:22 <@rizen> what did he say?
03:23 <+perlDreamer> He wants him to sign S294 when it comes to his desk
03:24 <+perlDreamer> It's an Amtrak reform and spending bill
03:24 <+perlDreamer> I told him it has to go through the House first, but he's not very patient
03:26 <@rizen> that's so cool
03:26 <@rizen> i haven't even ever written the president or a congressman
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03:26 <@rizen> i figure they won't listen anyway
03:27 <+perlDreamer> I think it will get through the House, but the Pres is not so cool on trains.
03:27 <+perlDreamer> He needs wise counsel
03:27 <+perlDreamer> from a 6 year old :)
03:28 <+Radix-wrk> I think this video sums up our political battle atm: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAOUKX-Myc0
03:29 <+Radix-wrk> Our election is in another 12 days
03:29 <+perlDreamer> Are you going to vote?
03:30 <+Radix-wrk> Thankfully the election campains here are measured in weeks compared to your months of campaigning in the US.
03:30 <+Radix-wrk> Voting is compulsory
03:30 <+Radix-wrk> you get fined about $200 if you don't vote.
03:30 <+perlDreamer> wow
03:30 <+perlDreamer> now that's an idea!
03:33 <@rizen> i don't know if that's a good idea or not
03:33 <+perlDreamer> I asked because too many people here gripe about the system, then don't vote.
03:33 <@rizen> most of the people in the US are so dumb i wouldn't want them to vote
03:33 <+Radix-wrk> you get the same here
03:34 <@rizen> but i guess it doesn't really matter since there's rarely ever a good candidate to vote for anyway
03:34 <+perlDreamer> you're lucky Jamie isn't in channel :)
03:35 <+perlDreamer> Or was that Tavis?
03:35 <@rizen> tavis is the only one on staff that thinks that GW is a good president
03:36 <@rizen> jamie is the one that thinks i should run for president
03:36 <@rizen> and in that sentence, "one" is the operative word
03:36 <+Radix-wrk> lol
03:36 <+Radix-wrk> Have you seen the movie Good Luck Chuck?
03:37 <+perlDreamer> but he knows you best
03:37 <@rizen> nope, haven't seen it
03:38 <+Radix-wrk> There's a scene with a girl with a tattoo with the letters "G. W." just above her panties was funny - the guys expression of horror.
03:38 <+perlDreamer> gtg, dinner time in PDX.  Se y'all tomorrow
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07:33 < CIA-18> WebGUI: Coverage tests for getBackToSiteURL brings Session/Url coverage
07:33 < CIA-18> WebGUI: up to 100%.
07:33 < CIA-18> WebGUI: colin * r4979 /WebGUI/t/Session/Url.t: leave notes as to future tests that need to be written for getBackToSiteURL
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12:42 < MrHairgreas1> /whoami
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15:30 < SDuensin> Greetings.
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20:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI: https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/WebGUI
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20:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI:  r4969 | graham | 2007-11-08 16:50:59 -0600 (Thu, 08 Nov 2007) | 2 lines
20:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI:  fix CS posts not allowing new attachments after deleting old ones
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23:00 < perlDreamer> hey, folks
23:00 <+MrHairgrease> howdy
23:00 < perlDreamer> MrHairgrease: Are you feeling well?  it's only 9:00pm on a weeknight.
23:00 < perlDreamer> Shouldn't you be out partying?
23:01 <+MrHairgrease> oh i started partying at 10 am today
23:01 <+MrHairgrease> so it's getting kinda old by now
23:01 < perlDreamer> well, in that case, it's good to take a little time off
23:01 <+MrHairgrease> hehe
23:02 <+MrHairgrease> btw
23:02 <+MrHairgrease> it 10 pm over here
23:02 <+MrHairgrease> you're being uk minded =)
23:03 < perlDreamer> hey, what's 15 degrees between friends?
23:03 <+MrHairgrease> dunno
23:03 < perlDreamer> 1 time zone? :)
23:03 <+MrHairgrease> i always use radians
23:04 < perlDreamer> hey, what's pi/12 radians between friends?
23:04 <@rizen> i only use kelvins, regardless of whether it's heat or distance around the globe that i'm measuring
23:04 <@rizen> it could be why i'm always late
23:05  * MrHairgrease always uses pi in stones per square hogshead
23:05 < perlDreamer> or cold...
23:05 <+MrHairgrease> or whatever
23:05 <+MrHairgrease> rizen is never cold
23:06 <@rizen> that is true
23:06 <+MrHairgrease> he has one of the most warming personalities that i know of
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23:09 <@rizen> it's 283 kelvin here today
23:09 <+MrHairgrease> ah you mean 9.85 degrees celcius
23:10 <+MrHairgrease> here it was a few kelvins colder i think
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23:13 < perlDreamer> it's not so cold here, but we're having high winds
23:13 < perlDreamer> parts of east portland are without power
23:13 < perlDreamer> which can really interfere with your WebGUI development
23:13 < perlDreamer> that's why I live in the West part of portland
23:14 < perlDreamer> Intel gets kind of mad when the power goes out
23:14 < perlDreamer> fabs and design centers and all that
23:14 <+MrHairgrease> what a bunch of crybabies
23:15 <+MrHairgrease> a fab only cost some billions
23:15 <+MrHairgrease> you'd figure they could do without it for a day or so without complaining =)
23:16 < perlDreamer> I know.  Those fab/process guys are such whiners
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23:16 < perlDreamer> One day they asking for self-aligned mask sets
23:16 < perlDreamer> next day they want electricity
23:17 <+MrHairgrease> yeah those guys suck
23:17  * MrHairgrease wonders where he was last thursday...
23:17 <+MrHairgrease> oh crap =)
23:17 < perlDreamer> in the fab? :)
23:17 < perlDreamer> Tomorrow they'll want water.
23:18 <+MrHairgrease> yeah
23:18 <+MrHairgrease> only demineralised water though
23:18 < perlDreamer> what?
23:18 < perlDreamer> You want pure water?
23:18 < perlDreamer> sheesh
23:19 <+MrHairgrease> they say all the crap in normal water is bad for your process
23:19 <+MrHairgrease> but they're just spoiled
23:19 <+MrHairgrease> =)
23:19 < perlDreamer> it gives me the squirts
23:19 <+MrHairgrease> it's not for consumption
23:20 < perlDreamer> that would explain a few things
23:21 < perlDreamer> if they'd bring me some beer, I'd drink it instead
23:21 <+MrHairgrease> see it like this
23:21 <+MrHairgrease> demi water is to water what light beer is compared to beer
23:22 <+MrHairgrease> it's just not for consumption
23:22 < perlDreamer> makes sense
23:22 < perlDreamer> so I should drink mineralwasser instead
23:22 <+MrHairgrease> why not
23:22 < perlDreamer> I tried some when I was in germany
23:22 <+MrHairgrease> i myself consume liters of water with bubbles
23:23 <+MrHairgrease> i think it's called soda water in the us
23:23 < perlDreamer> but there's no minerals in soda water
23:23 <+MrHairgrease> oh well
23:23 <+MrHairgrease> i just care for the carbon dioxide
23:24 <@khenn> unsweetened iced tea using tap water is the only way to go
23:25 <@khenn> all the lead and crap they spew into the public drinking water pleasantly masked with the goodness of tea
23:25 < perlDreamer> I don't know who you are, but you better stop using Frank's account
23:25 < perlDreamer> He'll get mad
23:25 <+MrHairgrease> hmmm lead
23:26 <@khenn> I have a nice big glass of it right here
23:26 <+MrHairgrease> franks hasn't been the same since his last encounter with the Dutch =)
23:26 <@khenn> I killed off a large portion of brain cells that night
23:26 <@khenn> thanks to Koen
23:27 <+MrHairgrease> i know for a fact that that particular evening wasn't to good on koen's bc's too =)
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01:20 < steveo> Why does WebGUI::Asset::Post need to redefine a brand new storageId whenever it adds a revision?
01:34 <+MrHairgrease> b/c if the storage would stay the same it is not possible to version different files with the same filename
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01:37 < perlDreamer> suppose someone edits a post with an attachment.  He leaves the attachment alone but edits the content.
01:38 < perlDreamer> Now there would be two versions of the post, both pointing to the same storageId.
01:38 < perlDreamer> 3 months later, the DeleteOldVersions workflow comes along and says
01:38 < perlDreamer> hey, the older version of this post should be deleted
01:38 <@rizen> that shouldn't be true
01:38 < cap10morgan> Is there a PayPal payment plugin in 7.4?
01:38 < perlDreamer> but you can't delete it without deleting the storageId
01:38 <@rizen> on every edit it creates a copy of the storage id
01:39 <@rizen> storage location
01:39 <@rizen> cap: no, but it's coming sometime in 7.5
01:39 < perlDreamer> rizen: this is postulating not making a copy each time.  That's what steveo asked about
01:39 < cap10morgan> rizen: cool, thanks
01:40 < perlDreamer> anyway, the end result is that your db ends up full of old cruft that you can't safely delete
01:40 < perlDreamer> it's a small price to pay to for an extra storage Id
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01:40 < perlDreamer> each version is completely self contained
01:41 < xootom> hi all, i mistakenly set 'archive after' on some photo galleries to 0, thinking that would disable archiving. but it's instantly archived lots of photos.. i can't see them in asset manager but can find them through search. is there a way of unarchiving them in bulk?
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01:43 < perlDreamer> xootom: I can't think of any through the user interface or admin interface to do that
01:43 < perlDreamer> rizen: but speaking of archive, so is it a bug if you check the state of an asset for archived, since it will never be true?
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01:45 < xootom> thanks pd
01:45 <@rizen> why do you think archive will never be true?
01:46 < perlDreamer> in your email that wasn't one of the valid values for state, only for status.
01:47 < xootom> it's status, not state
01:47 < xootom> i'm just going to sql everything from archive to approved on my galleries
01:47 <@rizen> oh right
01:47 <@rizen> yeah, state never uses archived
01:47 <@rizen> only status
01:48 < perlDreamer> so should the logic be reduced to just state=published (and ignore state) or does it need to be state=published OR status=archived?
01:49 < perlDreamer> i.e. AssetLineage line 195
01:54 <@rizen> actually
01:54 <@rizen> it needs to be changed to state='published' and (status='approved' or status='archived')
01:57 < perlDreamer> asset.state='published' and (assetData.status in ('approved','archived'))
01:57  * perlDreamer begins to wish for views
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02:06 < perlDreamer> rizen: we'll need more test code before I feel comfortable making those changes
02:06 < perlDreamer> it will take me a while
02:11 <@rizen> time for me to be done for the day methinks
02:11 <@rizen> brain hurts
02:11 < perlDreamer> and you didn't even go drinking with Koen and Frank
02:12 <@rizen> no just being pulled in 14000 directions per day will make your brain hurt
02:12 < perlDreamer> indeed
02:12 <@rizen> you never get to concentrate on any one thing for more than 5 minutes at a time
02:16 <@rizen> Hi. My name is JT and I'm an addict.
02:16 < perlDreamer> Hi, JT
02:16 <@rizen> I killed 2 people last night and I really got off on it.
02:17 <@rizen> I need your help so I don't do it again
02:17 < perlDreamer> Were they bad people?
02:17 <+Radix-wrk> only 2?
02:17 <@rizen> If you've never seen Mr. Brooks, you should. Amazing.
02:17 < perlDreamer> Didn't make you an advocate of 12-step programs?
02:18 <@rizen> Actually I haven't been of fan of them for a long time.
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02:18 <@rizen> Staistically only about 5% of people that use 12 step programs stick with it.
02:18 <@rizen> Which is co-incidentally, the same number of people that stick with it even if they aren't in a 12 step program
02:19 < perlDreamer> So what do they recommend for kicking an addiction?
02:19 <@rizen> because common wisdom is that it should work
02:20 <@rizen> and no 12 step programs publish their statistics. you can only get it through inside whistleblowers.
02:20 <@rizen> the 5% is from a leaked report in 1989
02:20 <@rizen> which is the last time that the statistics have gotten out
02:20 <@rizen> most often the 12 step programs are used for recruitment
02:21 <@rizen> in most cases, it's for religious organizations, but sometimes it's also for political orgs
02:22 < perlDreamer> Hi, I'm Ray and I'm addicted to cigarettes.  Hi, Ray.  Quit smoking and hand out these campaign buttons.
02:22 <@rizen> maybe political is the wrong word
02:22 <@rizen> "activist" would be a better word
02:22 <@rizen> although activist has a liberal tint to it
02:22 <@rizen> and these orgs aren't always liberal
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02:44 <@rizen> rule 1: wrap your hand and the murder weapon in a plastic bag
02:44 <@rizen> rule 2: never kill somone you know, it's the fastest way to get caught
02:45 <@rizen> rule 3: vacuum the house afterward and take the bag with you
02:45 <@rizen> rule 4: burn your clothes and all other evidence afterward
02:45 <@rizen> rule 5: take the slugs with you
02:46 < perlDreamer> rule 6, don't kill anyone in your house if your neighbor is a professional photographer with a busted leg
02:47 <@rizen> my rules are from mr brooks. where's yours from?
02:47 < perlDreamer> rear window
02:47 < perlDreamer> Jimmy Stewart and Grace Kelly.  Oh, and Raymond Burr
02:48 < perlDreamer> time to go home and switch to Dad mode
02:48 < perlDreamer> Catch y'all tomorrow
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15:39 < SDuensin> Greetings.
15:42 <+MrHairgrease> greetings
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20:33 < CIA-18> WebGUI: graham * r4983 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm): fix broken SSL redirection
21:18 <@preaction> http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html <- "how to ask smart questions" without ESR's attitude
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01:29 < xdanger> rizen: I just posted a rfe with diff in it. If I have a small enhancement that I have done and would like to be included for webgui is this the right way?
01:30 <@rizen> yup
01:31 < xdanger> I think I still have commit rights to svn, but I don't want to put anything there without someones approval =)
01:32 <@rizen> good cuz that would be a fast way to lose your commit rights
01:33 <@rizen> i'll review the patch this week
01:33 <@rizen> and post my response
01:35 < xdanger> It's really small thing... label for RadioList and CheckList, so you can select the item by clicking the text
01:43 <@rizen> so let me get this straight
01:43 <@rizen> if you click on the label after this patch is applied
01:43 <@rizen> then it will check the box or radio button
01:44 <@rizen> as if you clicked on the radio button or check box
01:44 < xdanger> yes
01:44 <@rizen> approved
01:46 < xdanger> so, do I add them, or somebody else will use the diff's?
01:47 <@rizen> you should do it 
01:47 <@rizen> but if you don't, someone will eventually do it
01:47 <@rizen> and if you do it, then reply to your rfe to say that you have done so
01:48 < xdanger> ok, I don't have svn of webgui checkouted at the moment...
01:48 < xdanger> maybe later if I remember, have something else to do right now
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15:46 < SDuensin> Greetings.
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17:33 <+MrHairgrease> hehe
17:34 <+MrHairgrease> "I think webgui lite is a waste of time for you developers" -> "I think webgui lite is not a priority for you developers"
17:59 <@preaction> he doesn't know that all the provisions that JT described are already in there
18:00 <+MrHairgrease> that's not the point
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20:40 <@rizen> is fathertorque the same as maxscience?
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20:47 < perlDreamer> okay, who wants to volunteer to answer my silly newbie questions today?
20:47 <@rizen> if it's quick i'll do it
20:47 <@rizen> have to leave in 5
20:47 < perlDreamer> it's javascript related
20:47 <@rizen> what you don't think i know js?
20:47 < perlDreamer> how does the dragger code update the Layout asset content positions?
20:47 < perlDreamer> no, just to warn you that it won't be straight forward for me :)
20:48 <@rizen> you mean how does it communicate back to the server?
20:48 < perlDreamer> yes
20:48 <@rizen> it's old school
20:48 <@rizen> when we wrote that we couldn't rely upon ajax
20:48 <@rizen> so it's posting back through a hidden iframe
20:49 < perlDreamer> okay
20:49 <@rizen> look at the top of the view method
20:49 <@rizen> it spits out the iframe there
20:49 < perlDreamer> Cool.  I was taking a crack the the SQL Report Asset Rank bug, and not getting anywhere tracing the JS directly
20:50 < perlDreamer> http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/sqlreport-asset-rank2
20:50 <@rizen> asset rank is not related to page position
20:51 <@rizen> it's only used as a last resort if the asset has not been manually positioned on the page, then it defaults to asset rank
20:51 <@rizen> in the first position
20:51 <@rizen> but since page layouts can have multiple positions
20:51 <@rizen> rank cannot be used
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20:51 <@rizen> so the bug is not a bug
20:51 <@rizen> he just doesn't understand how it works
20:52 < perlDreamer> So it's accidently working for most assets, and not working at all the the SQL Report
20:53 <@rizen> right
20:53 <@rizen> it's "defaulting"
20:53 <@rizen> but he's already positioned the sql report at some point
20:53 <@rizen> and so positioning takes over for rank
20:55 < perlDreamer> Okay.  I was confused by that too, so I'm going to play with it a bit more.  Then I'll post back and close the bug.
20:55 < perlDreamer> I didn't know that the dragger had copy and paste keys
20:55 < perlDreamer> I like that better than the dragging
20:58 <@rizen> that's an undocumented feature
20:58 <@rizen> i'm not sure whether we'll be able to keep it when we rebuild the dragger using yui so i haven't told anybody about it yet
20:58 <@rizen> even though it's been in there since v5
20:58 < perlDreamer> I'll hold off on the wiki page then :)
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22:41 < perlDreamer> too cool!
22:41 < perlDreamer> WRE on EC2
22:42 < perlDreamer> http://www.plainblack.com/install/upgrade_help/fyi---wre0_8-on-amazon-ec2#idVqZltAyfPXXgtLvV-1DAtw
22:48 <@khenn> cool, but isn't EC2 just a computing environment?
22:48 <@khenn> ie: you don't get a default OS
22:48 <@khenn> I don't know much about it really
22:48 < perlDreamer> No, I think that's it exactly
22:49 < perlDreamer> but if you want more processors, you just buy them.
22:49 < perlDreamer> and if you want less, you pay less
22:49 <@khenn> cool nontheless
22:50 < perlDreamer> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Elastic_Compute_Cloud
22:52 < perlDreamer> I think I could use this for automated wG testing
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23:00 < perlDreamer> hm
23:00 < perlDreamer> $0.10/instance hour
23:00 < perlDreamer> 1 instance is 132/month
23:00 < perlDreamer> that's a bit steep, it seems
23:02 <@khenn> guess it depends on your needs
23:03 < perlDreamer> Well, I miscalculated.   24*30 = 720, so it's 72/month
23:03 < perlDreamer> maybe people are willing to pay a premium for the elasticity and real time nature of it
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23:08 < wgGuest16> i need some help setting up wre 8 and webgui on windows
23:08 < wgGuest16> i have it up and running but having issues with spectre.conf
23:08 < perlDreamer> what kind of issues? (note, I'm not a WRE user)
23:08 < wgGuest16> this is some of the webgui.log error ERROR - spectre.conf - POE::Kernel::_dispatch_event[1012]
23:09 < perlDreamer> it that all?  nothing preceding or following that?
23:10 < wgGuest16> did have this before it http://webgui.pastebin.com/d68a388b3
23:10 < wgGuest16> i created a article then commited it
23:10 < wgGuest16> then it shoot out these errors
23:10 < perlDreamer> did the commit work?
23:11 < wgGuest16> yes
23:11 < wgGuest16> i just got it set up few minutes ago
23:11 < wgGuest16> and testing it
23:11 < perlDreamer> Offhand I'd say you're seeing log "noise" then, rather than real problems.
23:12 < wgGuest16> my console is at http://topsub:60834/ but spectre conf has port 32133
23:12 < wgGuest16> should they be the same
23:12 < wgGuest16> ?
23:12 < wgGuest16> well also i tried ti import a package and it created the folder and nothing under it
23:12 < perlDreamer> which version of WebGUI?
23:13 < perlDreamer> that would be a completely separate issue from spectre, in any case.
23:13 < perlDreamer> it sounds like a permissions problem in your uploads directory
23:13 <@preaction> looks like you're trying to re-import a package that didn't get imported correctly the first time
23:13 < wgGuest16> looking.. i know its in settings somewere
23:14 < wgGuest16> believe its 12 but still looking
23:14 < perlDreamer> In the Admin Console, choose Statistics
23:14 < perlDreamer> it will tell you
23:15 < wgGuest16> ah ya. 7.4.13-stable
23:16 < wgGuest16> i went to demo.webgui and imported same package there.. just the javascript folder
23:16 < wgGuest16> just to be sure
23:16 < perlDreamer> same problem?  Or did it work there?
23:16 < wgGuest16> it worked
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23:16 <@preaction> there's an error before the one you showed probably
23:16 <@preaction> dur...
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23:17 < perlDreamer> then I'd wipe your current site, double check the permissions in the uploads directory, and try again.
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23:17 < wgGuest41> oops sry back
23:17 < wgGuest41> in Spectre it tells me it has There are 4 scheduled tasks
23:18 < wgGuest41> which might be the things i commited to mess around
23:18 < wgGuest41> do you know if in the spectre.conf the port number needs to be the same as whats beisde my console window?
23:18 < perlDreamer> it needs to be the same number as in the webgui.conf file
23:18 <@preaction> no, that would be bad
23:19 < wgGuest41> hehe k preaction
23:19 < wgGuest41> webgui.conf in data/webgui/etc?
23:19 < perlDreamer> yes
23:19 <@preaction> rather <sitename>.conf
23:19 < wgGuest41> ahyes.. topsub.conf
23:20 <@preaction> henceforth referred to as webgui.conf
23:20 < wgGuest41> ah yes they are the same..
23:20 < wgGuest41> hmm
23:20 <@preaction> if spectre says it has workflows waiting, then it's configured correctly
23:20 < wgGuest41>  ERROR - spectre.conf - POE::Kernel::_dispatch_event[1012] - WORKFLOW: Response for topsub - uZAjHmjQZLG8bGujWm6Ncg had a communications error. 
23:21 < wgGuest41> error still showing up
23:21 <@preaction> is topsub in your /etc/hosts? rather, can the system resolve it?
23:22 < wgGuest41> let me check
23:22 <@preaction> might want to shut down spectre and then run it in debug mode with: cd /data/WebGUI/sbin; perl spectre.pl --run --debug;
23:22 <@preaction> use the WRE shell.bat file, where ever that it
23:22 < wgGuest41> k i will try that
23:23 < wgGuest41> i will stop spectre from console then try that
23:23 <@preaction> i still say it was a package problem
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23:23 < cap10morgan> I have a WRE 0.8.0 tarball for Ubuntu gutsy, where should I upload that?
23:24 < wgGuest41> well i also created an article and commited that and it didn't show up also
23:24 < wgGuest41> still get the communication error
23:25 < wgGuest41> going to try the debug mode see what happens
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23:28 < wgGuest41> still getting this error.. http://webgui.pastebin.com/m4d8df63a
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01:55 < perlDreamer> yay, I'm a hero
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01:57 < perlDreamer> I just uploaded the world's first small calendar (month) template
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09:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI: graham * r4984 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Shortcut.pm): fix shortcuts not copying overrides with asset or removing them on purge
09:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI: graham * r4985 /branch/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
09:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI: Merged revisions 4983 via svnmerge from
09:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI: https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/WebGUI
09:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI: ........
09:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI:  r4983 | graham | 2007-11-13 12:25:26 -0600 (Tue, 13 Nov 2007) | 2 lines
09:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI:  fix broken SSL redirection
09:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI: ........
09:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI: graham * r4986 /branch/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
09:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI: Merged revisions 4984 via svnmerge from
09:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI: https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/WebGUI
09:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI: ........
09:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI:  r4984 | graham | 2007-11-15 01:30:15 -0600 (Thu, 15 Nov 2007) | 2 lines
09:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI:  fix shortcuts not copying overrides with asset or removing them on purge
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16:34 < SDuensin> Are we having fun yet?
16:47 < nutrino> yes. lots.
16:47 < nutrino> importing files :/
16:47 < nutrino> using siteImport script.
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17:12 < wgGuest68> I am setting up local dev on windows using wre 8 and 7.4.13 and like to check to make sure my timezone is set and having trouble finding were its at. Anyone able to guide me some?
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22:34 < cap10morgan> is there a way to enable anonymous checkout in the commerce system?
23:01 <@preaction_> no
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23:25 < nutrino> is there a known working import script for 7.4.x?
23:25 < nutrino> siteimport.pl is busted.
23:26 < nutrino> assets are created and files are imported, but the content is never  imported. 
23:39 <@preaction_> what's "siteimport.pl"?
23:39 <@preaction_> most likely you're going to have to roll-your-own import script, there's a billion ways to do it
23:39 < nutrino> i thought it was a script that came packaged with webgui.
23:39 < nutrino> i must of picked it up somewhere then...
23:40 <@preaction_> there's sbin/fileImport.pl, but that's about it
23:42 < BartJol> and user import
23:42 < BartJol> .pl
23:45 <@preaction_> i wonder how hard it would be to write an htmlImport.pl script that would parse a directory of html files
23:46 <@preaction_> might be kinda ugly, considering the URL problem
23:47 < BartJol> isn't it easier to use packages?
23:47 < BartJol> can be difficult between version though maybe
23:47 <@preaction_> or a ZipArchive?
23:47 <@preaction_> packages are for moving things from one WebGUI to another
23:47 <@preaction_> not importing things into webgui from html or another system
23:48 <@preaction_> a ZipArchive could do the HTML importing
23:48 < BartJol> mmm
23:48 < BartJol> well, i wouldn't know
23:49 < BartJol> but it would be great to be able to migrate html into webgui sites
23:49 < BartJol> should be possible
23:49 <@preaction_> that's what ziparchives do
23:49 < BartJol> lol
23:50 <@preaction_> or am i channelling some sort of Future WebGUI that doesn't exist yet
23:50 < BartJol> but would css be a pain?
23:50 < BartJol> if it is in the html
23:50 < BartJol> some people do strange things
23:50 <@preaction_> not sure how the CSS is handled, inline CSS would be fine. not sure about <link rel="stylesheet">
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01:28 <+Radix_> http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert2007166671115.gif
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05:07 <+perlDreamer> one of you PB types may want to have a look at the demo server.  there may be some config file problems with spectre.
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15:33 < SDuensin> Morning.
15:33 <+MrHairgrease> hi
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17:19 < nutrino> OK. anyone else getting cannot connect to DB errors since upgrading to 7.4.11?
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23:47 < perlDreamer> O'Reilly is launching a new conference, for web performance and operations
23:47 < perlDreamer> http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2007/11/oreilly_launche_1.html
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02:46 < chris_punches> Anyway, it won't happen again.  Please lift the ban.  I'm asking you in here because you aren't responding to my pm's, and are using that as an excuse to rationalize the ban.
02:46 < chris_punches> preaction, plz unban me in #css, I didn't do anything wrong.  I'm just looking for documentation on how to fix my problem.  I don't know if you've had a bad day or what, but that's a little uncalled for.  I pmed you the url because I haven't protected my site against mysql injection attacks.  sorry for pmming it to you, but I don't think that's worthy of a ban.  I understand #CSS is a busy channel, but I really need help on ho
02:46 < chris_punches> w to figure out my problem.  Please be more understanding.
02:52 < chris_punches> hello?
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02:39 < cap10morgan> Has anyone seen a "child pid #### exit signal Bus error (10)" when trying to start the modproxy server in 0.8.0 in OS X 10.5 intel?
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00:05 < Acolytee> anyone home?
00:10 < Acolytee> guys, when I start visual studio, where does .wgx file is located at?
00:13 <+MrHairgrease> you must be posting your question in the wrong channel.
00:13 <+MrHairgrease> This is the webgui channel
00:17 < Acolytee> yes..
00:17 < Acolytee> that's what I'm using.
00:17 < Acolytee> public partial class Form1 : Gizmox.WebGUI.Forms.Form
00:18 < Acolytee> using visual studio to create the form. then run it. but when I run, it doesn't have images in sub-folder.
00:18 <+MrHairgrease> i don't know what you are talking about
00:19 <+MrHairgrease> what is your webgui related question?
00:19 < Acolytee> when I start the page (i.e. its opened in Internet Explorer), where is the physical folder is located in which Form1.wgx is?
00:20 < Acolytee> i.e. c:\docs & settings\etc
00:20 < nuba> maybe not talking about the same WebGUI..
00:20 <+MrHairgrease> that could be indeed
00:20 < Acolytee> visual webgui?
00:20 <+MrHairgrease> this is the channel about the webgui web application framework
00:20 <+MrHairgrease> webgui.org
00:20 <+MrHairgrease> no
00:20 <+MrHairgrease> not visual webgui
00:20 < Acolytee> damn
00:20 <+MrHairgrease> hehe
00:21 < nuba> ditch visual stdio, come to this side of the force ;)
00:21 < Acolytee> I did before... :D
00:21 < Acolytee> dark side of the force is too strong in me :D
00:21 < nuba> happens
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07:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: colin * r5001 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/AssetLineage.pm: POD documentation for the argument to getChildcount
07:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: colin * r5002 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/lib/WebGUI/AssetLineage.pm: backport missing POD documentation
07:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: colin * r5003 /WebGUI/t/Whitespace.t: no sense looking in the Help and i18n for POD
07:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: colin * r5004 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/t/Whitespace.t: backport the test enhancement for skipping Help and i18n
07:21 <+perlDreamer> Asset.pm doesn't really have an object API
07:21 <+perlDreamer> grrrr
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16:17 < SDuensin> Greetings.
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16:40 < bartjol> hi
16:42 < knowmad> Morning everyone
16:43 < AMH_bob> Howdy
16:45 < bartjol> good afternoon
16:45 < bartjol> well besides a workflow not running properly, fine
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20:48 <@khenn> hello there everybody
20:59 <+MrHairgrease> hi khenn
20:59 <@khenn> MHG!!!
21:00 <@khenn> How are things in Holland these days?
21:00 <+MrHairgrease> cold
21:00 <@khenn> cold > hot IMO
21:00 <+MrHairgrease> but right now I'm depositing tiny lines at the university
21:00 <@khenn> tiny lines of what?
21:00 <+MrHairgrease> chromium
21:00 <+MrHairgrease> it's for my graduation project
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21:54 <@preaction> rizen, i hate to bother you, but can i ask a couple questions? i've got some issues with spectre
21:55 <@preaction> every pending version in the Manage Pending Versions screen should have a workflow waiting or running in Spectre, right?
21:55 <@rizen> yes
21:56 <@rizen> that is unless it was one of the crazy workflows that were deleted because the workflow instance didn't have a workflow id associated with it
21:56 <@preaction> i've got like 30 pending versions and only 12 waiting workflows, spectre has been restarted multiple times, but i'm guessing that the versions don't have workflow instances anymore
21:57 <@preaction> i'm trying to track it down, if you have any places for me to look, i'm open for suggestions
21:58 <@rizen> restarting spectre won't help you if the workflow instances don't exist in the WorkflowInstance table
21:58 <@rizen> so that's the first place to look
21:58 <@preaction> uhm... ?op=spectreGetSiteData is returning the home page...
21:58 <@rizen> then you can create the instances in the WorkflowInstance table that refer to the version tags that need to be committed
21:58 <@preaction> but how does spectre have waiting workflows then?
21:59 <@rizen> 2 separate problems
21:59 <@rizen> if spectreGetSiteData is returning the home page then there will be an error in your log file
21:59 <@preaction> yeah, it's the one about can't call get on an undefined value
21:59 <@rizen> and it's likely that if you look in the WorkflowInstance table you'll see instances that are corrupt
21:59 <@preaction> which iirc was because the Instance is missing
22:00 <@preaction> so i make a workflow instance myself and point it at the correct version tag?
22:00 <@rizen> yes
22:00 <@rizen> or fix the ones that are broken
22:00 <@preaction> k, sounds good, thanks
22:00 <@rizen> which you'll need to do anyway in order for spectre to get the correct data
22:00 <@preaction> right
22:01 <@preaction> could you think of anything i could output for debug messages that we could use to track down why these are occuring?
22:02 <@preaction> nm, i don't think this happens anywhere else anyway
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23:21 < perlDreamer> Haarg: ping
23:27 <@Haarg> hi
23:27 < perlDreamer> I found a bug in the upgrade script
23:27 < perlDreamer> check out commit 5005
23:29 <@Haarg> hmm, wonder if we've been caught by that before
23:29 < perlDreamer> I checked all the 7.4 templates in the upgrades, they look okay.
23:29 < perlDreamer> and maybe it should ignore preceeding whitespace as well
23:29 < perlDreamer> but I thought I'd give you a heads up
23:29 < perlDreamer> since you're Dr. Upgrade and Release now :)
23:30 <@Haarg> yeah, thanks
23:30 <+MrHairgrease> perldreamer
23:31 < perlDreamer> MrHairgrease: ?
23:31 <+MrHairgrease> that javascript book you were looking for
23:31 < perlDreamer> I eventually chose a copy of O'Reilly's Learning Javascript.
23:31 <+MrHairgrease> you want to take a look at pro javascript techniques
23:31 < perlDreamer> I do?  Cool!
23:31 <+MrHairgrease> by jon resig
23:31 <+MrHairgrease> only chap 2 and 3 are worth the price
23:31 <+MrHairgrease> check out the reviews on amazon
23:34 < perlDreamer> I'll get a copy of it for sure, but probably after I get some basics down
23:34 < perlDreamer> ""Pro JavaScript Techniques" is definitely for experienced and advanced scripters."
23:34 <+MrHairgrease> oh
23:34 <+MrHairgrease> yeah i guess
23:34 <+MrHairgrease> but you'll prolly mange to understand it all
23:34 <+MrHairgrease> manage*
23:34 < perlDreamer> I _can_ hack a little ;)
23:37 < perlDreamer> Haarg: On a stock wG 7.5, this query:
23:37 < perlDreamer> select namespace from template where namespace like ' %';
23:37 < perlDreamer> didn't return anything
23:37 < perlDreamer> It's probably safe for doing upgrades, but creates may be different
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00:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: colin * r5005 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/docs/ (5 files in 3 dirs): 
00:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: Fix the Event template, it was missing an img tag for the attachment icon.
00:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: Fix a bug in the template importer in the upgrade script. It does not remove
00:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: whitespace after the colon for defining properties. For most things like url
00:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: it's not a problem, since there's other code that fixes it downstream, but
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00:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: with "namespace" it's a problem.
00:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: Fixed in the 7.4.15 upgrade script and the upgrade skeleton.
00:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: colin * r5006 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/_upgrade.skeleton: forward porting bug fix in upgrade skeleton
00:05 < arjancwidlak> Hi all. If I put an SQL Report in the template of another asset, how could I determine the assetId of the asset in who's template the SQL Report is proxied?
00:06 < arjancwidlak> I mean: if I put an SQL Report into the template by use of an Assetproxy.
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00:22 < perlDreamer> arjancwidlak: Have you tried the Page macro?
00:22 < perlDreamer> ^Page(assetId);
00:22 < arjancwidlak> reading it's code you mean?
00:23 < perlDreamer> No, I'm wondering if it will "do the right thing" and give you the assetId of the "containing" Asset.
00:24 < perlDreamer> The AssetProxy does not reset the session asset, so it should still be pointing to your "containing" asset.
00:24 < perlDreamer> That's how the Navigation wobject does its magic
00:25 < arjancwidlak> Well, what I'm trying to do is: putting an SQL Report in the template of a Collaboration System and I would like to use the assetId of this Collaboratoin System in the query.
00:25 < khenn_> oh
00:26 < perlDreamer> Give the Page macro a shot
00:26 < perlDreamer> I think it will work
00:26 < khenn_> arjan
00:26 < khenn_> use <tmpl_var assetId>
00:26 < khenn_> that will give you the assetId of the collaboration system you are using
00:26 < khenn_> this is in the collaboration template
00:26 < khenn_> thread template
00:26 < khenn_> or post template?
00:27 < arjancwidlak> CS template
00:27 < khenn_> <tmpl_var assetId>
00:27 < khenn_> will give the assetId of the collab system then
00:27 < arjancwidlak> I know the <tmpl_var assetId> is available in the collaboration system template, but how do I pass it to the SQL Report when it's in an assetproxy?
00:28 < arjancwidlak> I can't do ^AssetProxy(<url>, <tmpl_var assetId>);
00:28 < khenn_> right
00:28 < khenn_> well
00:28 < khenn_> I can never remember if macros or urls are processed first
00:28 < perlDreamer> Page macro
00:28 < khenn_> er macros or template variables I mean
00:28 < arjancwidlak> I just tried ^Page(assetId); It gives me the assetId of the page.
00:29 < khenn_> macros are processed before template vars?
00:29 < arjancwidlak> You can use template variables in macro's no problem.
00:29 < khenn_> ok then:
00:29 < arjancwidlak> That doesn't solve my problem does it?
00:30 < khenn_> ^AssetProxy(/my/sqlreport/url?formParam=<tmp_var assetId>);
00:30 < arjancwidlak> I'll try that, but I doubt it ...
00:30 < khenn_> your sql report will need to handle the formParam
00:31 < khenn_> of course
00:31 < khenn_> but that should work
00:31 < arjancwidlak> I'm trying it ...
00:31 < arjancwidlak> No, it says invalid asset URL
00:32 < khenn_> invalid asset URL ?
00:32 < khenn_> for what?
00:32 < khenn_> oh
00:32 < khenn_> right
00:32 < khenn_> it
00:32 < khenn_> it's trying to look it up
00:32 < khenn_> in the database
00:32 < khenn_> oh
00:32 < khenn_> do this:
00:32 < khenn_> no
00:32 < khenn_> that won't work either =p
00:32 < arjancwidlak> Because the url /my/sql/report?op=68sKwDg9cGH58-NzCu4lg does not exist 
00:32 < arjancwidlak> Yep
00:32 < khenn_> you need a custom macro
00:33 < khenn_> that strips off the ?op=
00:33 < arjancwidlak> Yes, I thought of that, but I don't know where to begin
00:33 < khenn_> just modify AssetProxy
00:33 < khenn_> though I'm not sure what that is doing to be honest
00:33 < arjancwidlak> That could definitly work, although the assetProxy macro is not trivial.
00:34 < khenn_> you could also accept the assetId along as another param
00:35 < arjancwidlak> It seems the AssetProxy code has changed a lot, it's much easier to read than I thought it was. 
00:36 < perlDreamer> How about the SQL macro instead of the SQL Report?  It is strong enough for what you want?
00:36 < arjancwidlak> I guess it is. How would that solve the problem?
00:36 < arjancwidlak> Oh, sorry, I see
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00:36 < perlDreamer> Yes.
00:37 < arjancwidlak> Yep, I believe this is going to work! Thanx!
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00:44 < cap10morgan> by default, should any user other than Visitor be able to access the checkout page in the commerce system?
00:45 < cap10morgan> and/or where is that controlled? i'm getting permission denied errors when i try to checkout w/ a regular account
00:46 < perlDreamer> Try looking in Operation/Commerce.pm
00:46 < perlDreamer> You can use the URL to help narrow down the search to the right method
00:47 < perlDreamer> Do you have payment gateway and shipping plugins defined for the site?
00:47 < cap10morgan> yes
00:47 < perlDreamer> anything in the logs?
00:47 < cap10morgan> no
00:48 < cap10morgan> oops, was running at ERROR level
00:48 < cap10morgan> now down to INFO
00:53 < cap10morgan> still nothing in the logs
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00:57 < perlDreamer> if the user is not authorized for any payment gateways, they'll get No Access.
00:58 < perlDreamer> That's in selectPaymentGateway
00:59 < perlDreamer> cap: what's the exact error message that you're getting?
00:59 < perlDreamer> to the browser?
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01:24 < arjancwidlak> Hi Colin, it works with the SQL Macro. A quite complicated statement, but it works. However, something else is strange...
01:25 < perlDreamer> what is it?
01:26 < arjancwidlak> I cannot use the Date macro in the SQL Macro. Somehow the unix-time gets quoted or so. So therefore I used from_unixtime in my SQL statement. The date macro returns 1/11/2007 15:02 while the from_unixtime functoin gives me 19/11/2007 05:54
01:27 < perlDreamer> that's weird, it's like 8 days apart
01:27 < perlDreamer> Can you show me the SQL Macro line?
01:27 < arjancwidlak> Bot on this value: 1193925776
01:28 < arjancwidlak> Yes, I'll paste it in http://webgui.pastebin.com/
01:29 < arjancwidlak> it's on /m9343436
01:30 < perlDreamer> that's your new one.  Do you still have the old one with the macro calls in it?
01:31 < arjancwidlak> Colin, I think I'm doing something stupid...
01:32 < perlDreamer> It's possible, I do stupid things all the time :)
01:32 < arjancwidlak> One second
01:34 < arjancwidlak> Yes, completly my bad
01:34 < arjancwidlak> Wrong database.
01:34 < arjancwidlak> Very sorry to have bothered you
01:34 < perlDreamer> No problem.  So the Date macro is okay?
01:35 < arjancwidlak> Yes, the date macro gives exactly the same outcome as from_unixtime function in Mysql
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02:06 <@apeiron> Haarg++ # helpful
02:06 < perlDreamer> Also very patient
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06:36 <+perlDreamer> Anyone awake?  I could use some SQL help.
06:51 <+perlDreamer> nm, I think I found it out
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07:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: colin * r5007 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/AssetLineage.pm t/Asset/AssetLineage.t): 
07:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: Fix for AssetLineage's getChildCount. It did not consider the
07:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: asset's status, only the state. Change the SQL query to always
07:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: look at status, and consider state based on the options passed
07:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: to the method.
07:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: Add two quick tests to test that. More to follow.
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11:19 < leopardus> hello :?
11:20 <+Radix_> hello
11:20 < leopardus> I just hopped into webgui, is it written in Perl?
11:22 <+Radix_> yup
11:25 < leopardus> Image Magick 6.0 -- do I have to install this?
11:35 < leopardus> tnx
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12:40 < leopardus> Install of Data::Structure::Util failed! :( what am I supposed to do now?
12:41 <+Radix_> the best way to install webgui is through the wre
12:41 < leopardus> and what's that?
12:41 <+Radix_> WebGUI Runtime Environment
12:42 < leopardus> how do I ??
12:42 <+Radix_> http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/wre-installation
12:43 <+Radix_> actually.. looks like http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/installing-wre-0.8.0 is the latest one
12:43 <+Radix_> WRE comes prepackaged with perl, apache, mysql and all the perl modules you need to run webgui
12:44 <+Radix_> if you can, I'd highly recommend the WRE
12:45 < leopardus> will it change all my apache, mysql, perl and everything?
12:45 < leopardus> I'm running Slackware 12
12:45 <+Radix_> if your server already has apache, perl, etc and you have other things running on the system you want to put webgui on, then you'll need to keep looking at installing those perl modules
12:45 <+Radix_> you may be able to force install data::structure::util to get past it
12:46 <+Radix_> some perl modules have pretty broken test suites and may work fine but depend on other things to get them to work
12:47 < leopardus> will I have to stay pressing enter with wre, or just leave it going for an hour or so?
12:48 <+Radix_> Well if you're using slackware then I'd say continue how you're going
12:49 <+Radix_> there's no wre binary package for slackware and compiling it from source can be hard
12:49 < leopardus> what about Data::Structure::Util?
12:49 <+Radix_> force install it if you can
12:49 < leopardus> how??
12:50 <+Radix_> in cpan use: force install Data::Structure::Util 
12:51 < leopardus> cpan : make had returned bad status, install seems impossible!!
12:52 <+Radix_> Oh, so it failed to compile totally?  not just failed tests?
12:53 <+Radix_> Bit out of my depth then if that's the case.. prolly best to talk to some of the PB guys when they're on and see if they can help
12:53 < leopardus> even Apache2::Request failed
12:53 <+Radix_> Sorry, I use the WRE and it's been ages since I've installed webgui manually
12:54 < leopardus> how is it anyway, is it stable?
12:54 <+Radix_> Post it up on the forums and you may get some help, or hang around and ask on here
12:54 <+Radix_> try a demo site - http://demo.plainblack.com/
12:54 < leopardus> Radix_ do you use WebGUI for work?
12:55 <+Radix_> I use webgui for both my company website/intranet/extranet, and several other websites that I host
12:55 <+Radix_> You can install it using the WRE in about 10 minutes
12:56 < leopardus> that's what I'm going to try
12:56 <+Radix_> then adding a new website to the same setup is about as simple as typing 'addsite'
12:56 < leopardus> ok, will be back, r u here for long?
12:57 <+Radix_> It's 8pm for me here and I'm just relaxing after work, so maybe :)
12:57 < leopardus> you must be in CA?
12:58 < leopardus> or on the other side
12:59 <+Radix_> lol
12:59 <+Radix_> Perth, Western Australia :)
13:00 < leopardus> I always make this mistake
13:01 <+Radix_> So where are you located then?
13:01 < leopardus> because I have a brother in CA and had another brother in Melbourne, so when I had to call I had to add/deduct 8 hours 
13:01 < leopardus> Malta, a little island in the middle of Europe
13:02 <+Radix_> Ahh.. cool
13:02 < leopardus> actually in the middle of the meditterranean sea
13:04 <+Radix_> Never been there I'm afraid, only been as close as Rome :)
13:04 < leopardus> I was in Melbourne for about two years
13:04 < leopardus> about 23 years ago!!
13:05 <+Radix_> hehe
13:05 <+Radix_> Well I was born there, but escaped at a young age ;)
13:05 < leopardus> are you Italian?
13:06 <+Radix_> haha.. no, I mean I was born in Melbourne ;)
13:06 < leopardus> ok
13:06 <+Radix_> I have italian neighbours, but I'm afraid we don't get along too well ;)
13:07 < leopardus> do you know any maltese?
13:07 <+Radix_> I'm afraid not
13:08 < leopardus> whereabouts from Melbourne?
13:08 <+Radix_> Was born in Kew and still have quite a lot of family there - in Geelong and Bairnsdale mostly
13:09 < leopardus> Geelong is cool, went there once
13:10 < leopardus> I stayed in St. Albans and Albion
13:10 < leopardus> downloaded the wre source
13:10 < leopardus> v
13:10 <+Radix_> Good luck! :)
13:12 < leopardus> off for some work, will talk later, nice knowing you
13:12 <+Radix_> likewise :)
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15:57 < SDuensin> Greetings
15:57 <@khenn> morning
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16:05 < leopardus> what are the addresses of the mailing lists?
16:06 < leopardus> khenn : what are the addresses of the mailing lists, plz?
16:06 <@khenn> erm
16:06 <@khenn> what mailing lists are you talking about?
16:06 <@khenn> the dev list?
16:07 < leopardus> the users' for now
16:07 <@khenn> I'm not sure I know of a users mailing list ...
16:10 < leopardus> is there a dev one?
16:10 <@khenn> yes
16:10 <@khenn> you need to subscribe to it
16:11 < leopardus> I subscribe from the site ?
16:11 <@khenn> http://www.plainblack.com/webgui/dev/discuss
16:12 < leopardus> ok
16:12 < leopardus> just finished ./build.sh --all, now?
16:14 < leopardus> got to go will be back later
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16:41 < wgGuest83> Can a dynamic content page like forums have more than 1 position built into the pagelayout?
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16:55 < bartjol> wgguest83: sure it can
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18:04 < nutrino> Is there a tmpl_var to detect http user agent?
18:05 <@rizen> no
18:05 < nutrino> damn, i was hoping it would be easy to detect an iphone and display a nav asset using cool buttons.
18:05 < nutrino> i gotta use a macro to detect it?
18:06 <@khenn> you could do it with javascript
18:06 <@khenn> oh
18:06 <@khenn> nm
18:06 <@khenn> env var
18:06 <@khenn> yeah you'll need to use a macro
18:06 <@preaction> js can see user agents too
18:06 <@preaction> the navigator object
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23:33 < CIA-18> WebGUI: colin * r5008 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/AssetLineage.pm t/Asset/AssetLineage.t): add more tests to cover AssetLineage->getChildCount. Optimize the new SQL query in getChildCount
23:33 < CIA-18> WebGUI: colin * r5009 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (lib/WebGUI/AssetLineage.pm t/Asset/AssetLineage.t): backport AssetLineage tests and fixes for getChildCount
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23:56 < cap10morgan> I'm having a hard time tracking down the template language documentation in the help (or otherwise). Did that get moved around? (This is in 7.4.14)
23:57 < cap10morgan> can you say <tmpl_unless ...> or <tmpl_if ! something> ?
23:58 <@khenn> the documentation you can find on search.cpan.org
23:58 <@khenn> look for HTML::Template
23:58 <@khenn> or HTML::Template::Expr
23:58 <@khenn> whichever you are using
23:58 <@khenn> <tmpl_unless> is the answer
23:58 <@khenn> btw =)
23:59 < cap10morgan> khenn: ah, perfect. thanks.
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00:24 < wgGuest90> hello people!
00:25 < perlDreamer> hello, wgGuest90
00:25 < perlDreamer> Do you have a question for us?
00:25 < wgGuest90> yes.. ofcourse.. 
00:25 < wgGuest90> thanks
00:25 < wgGuest90> actually i am seeing that a "secondary admin" group can create user with Admin privilege.. 
00:26 < wgGuest90> is this done deliberately?
00:26 < perlDreamer> ah yes, I saw your posting on the discussion boards.
00:26 < wgGuest90> if i want to show group list that the creating user(secondary admiN) is associated, then what should i do?
00:27 < wgGuest90> yes.. i just posted it.. 
00:27 < perlDreamer> I don't know if it's possible to show which groups a person is secondary Admin for.
00:28 < wgGuest90> oops!
00:29 < wgGuest90> so if we have rights to create user, then we can create user with Admin privilege . .. right?
00:31 < perlDreamer> I think you may be using the wrong terms.
00:32 < perlDreamer> In the wG settings, there are special groups that you can set up to add users, or add and edit users.
00:32 < perlDreamer> They should be able to create Admins.
00:32 < perlDreamer> But groups also have a special function, called secondaryAdmin or groupAdmin
00:32 < perlDreamer> that is allowed to help with JUST this group.
00:33 < perlDreamer> They are not supposed to be able to create users, just manage the group
00:33 < perlDreamer> Now, are you really talking about secondaryAdmins, or about the groups from the Settings page in the Admin Console?
00:37 < wgGuest90> i am talking about groups in the admin page
00:38 < wgGuest90> the one we see while clicking groups in "admin console"
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00:39 < wgGuest90> so there's a list of groups where we can see Secondary Admin.
00:40 < wgGuest90> And another fact is that .. in setting->Permission page we assigned "groups (limited)"  to secondary admin
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00:43 < wgGuest90> so, if we add a user in that group(i.e. secondary admin) then the responsibility of that user is to manage the group not creating users.. right??
00:44 < wgGuest90> ?
00:44 < perlDreamer> tracing code, please be patient
00:45 < wgGuest90> oops.. i thought i get diconnected.. sorry.. 
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00:45 < perlDreamer> no, no.  You're still here :)
00:45 < wgGuest90> :D
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00:49 < perlDreamer> okay, the code looks clean, and I went through these steps
00:49 < perlDreamer> 1: made sure that Groups (limited) = Secondary Admins
00:49 < perlDreamer> 2: Added a new user : Bob
00:50 < perlDreamer> 3: Added Bob to Secondary Admins
00:50 < perlDreamer> logged out as Admin, logged in as Bob
00:50 < perlDreamer> 5: Turn Admin On
00:50 < perlDreamer> 6: Go to Groups
00:50 < perlDreamer> I see no groups in the list
00:50 < perlDreamer> Is that similar to what you've done?
00:50 < perlDreamer> Oh, and this is on WebGUI 7.4.14
00:50 < wgGuest90> yes
00:51 < perlDreamer> which version are you using?
00:51 < wgGuest90> hold on 
00:53 < wgGuest90> 7.4.11 i gues
00:53 < wgGuest90> wre 0.8.0
00:53 < wgGuest90> for ubuntu
00:53 < perlDreamer> Are you an Admin on this site?
00:54 < wgGuest90> on this site?  i deployed in my ubuntu machine.
00:55 < perlDreamer> This user that you put into the Secondary Admin group, are they also a member of the Admin group?
00:56 < wgGuest90> so in your case, Bob can create user and could assign it to any groups (even admin) right?
00:56 < wgGuest90> hold on .. i'll see that
00:57 < wgGuest90> he's also assigned to other groups like "Content manger" and "turn admin on "
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01:00 < wgGuest90> what if the "Secondary Admin" groups contain other groups like "Admin"????
01:00 < wgGuest90> will that affect?
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01:01 < wgGuest90> what if the "secondary admin" groups contain other groups like "Admin"???
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01:04 < perlDreamer> due to the netsplit, I may have lost some of what you said
01:04 < perlDreamer> last thing I have is asking if your site has Users (add) set to Secondary Admins
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01:06 < wgGuest90> yes .. it is
01:07 < wgGuest90> User (add only) -> Secondary Admins
01:08 < wgGuest90> i just want to add a new user assign a group that the creating users is associated. Moreover the user inside Secondary admin should manage the groups. 
01:09 < wgGuest90> i have to leave can u please post it into forum.. if there's any rigid solution.. if you didn't get my question.. i'll come back tonight.. i have to leave now.. thanks for the help.. i really appreciate it.. 
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01:49 < perlDreamer> Did y'all see that Maryland now has a 6% sales tax on "custom computer programming"?
01:51 <@preaction> rofl nice
01:51 < perlDreamer> It's only for in-state people, so maybe we'll see a little more work.  6% is a respectable number.
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06:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: State and status fix for AssetLineage->getDescendantCount, and tests to
06:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: double check it.
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12:45 < leopardus> ADMIN: [Error] Couldn't connect to WebGUI site www.il-lus.com.conf at http://www.il-lus.com:80/?op=spectreGetSiteData.  Response: 500 Can't connect to www.il-lus.com:80 (connect: Connection refused)
12:45 < leopardus> ADMIN: [Error] Couldn't fetch Spectre configuration data for WebGUI.conf
12:46 < leopardus> overview of my prob, will be going out in 10min, any help?
12:46 < leopardus> I'm doing a source install
12:47 <+MrHairgrease> well
12:47 <+MrHairgrease> that url is giving a Fatal Internal Error
12:48 <+MrHairgrease> so that'w why Spectre cannot connect to it.
12:48 < leopardus> when I restart apache, I see no httpd processes like before
12:48 <+MrHairgrease> something is wrong with your webgui
12:48 <+MrHairgrease> did you change th econfig file?
12:48 <+MrHairgrease> what does the webgui.log say?
12:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI: graham * r5011 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fix: DataForm doesn't send mail if mail fields in tab
12:50 < leopardus> ADMIN: [Error] Couldn't connect to WebGUI site www.il-lus.com.conf at http://www.il-lus.com:80/?op=spectreGetSiteData.  Response: 500 Can't connect to www.il-lus.com:80 (connect: Connection refused)
12:50 < leopardus> ADMIN: [Error] Couldn't fetch Spectre configuration data for WebGUI.conf
12:50 <+MrHairgrease> not that error
12:50 <+MrHairgrease> that's spectre complaining
12:50 <+MrHairgrease> the error that appears when you restart apache
12:50 <+MrHairgrease> also check your apache error log
12:50 < leopardus> another prob, sorry I have to go, I'll be here again in about 2-3 hours
12:50 < leopardus> ok
13:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: graham * r5012 /branch/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
13:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: Merged revisions 5011 via svnmerge from
13:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/WebGUI
13:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: ........
13:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI:  r5011 | graham | 2007-11-21 04:40:09 -0600 (Wed, 21 Nov 2007) | 1 line
13:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI:  fix: DataForm doesn't send mail if mail fields in tab
13:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: ........
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15:48 < SDuensin> Greetings.
15:48 <+MrHairgrease> Greasings =)
15:48 < SDuensin> Hi MrHairgrease 
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17:34 < leopardus> hello : running source install, should I chown to nobody  /data ??
17:35 <@preaction> no, that would probably be a bad idea
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17:36 < leopardus> I just installed, it seems to be running, however the WebGUI initial configuration does not display the background pic!
17:37 < leopardus> and no wordings
17:37 <@preaction> did you copy the initial uploads folder to your site's uploads folder?
17:38 < leopardus> think I did, have to check
17:38 < leopardus> moment
17:38 <@preaction> does your config know where the extras folder is?
17:38 <@preaction> did you check the error log for webgui? did you check the error log for modperl?
17:39 < leopardus> this time I used the source install guide on the site
17:40 <@preaction> last i knew that was a bit out of date
17:53 < leopardus> what are the three fields of the initial screen?
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18:26 <@preaction> leopardus, there's something wrong with your extras folder or your uploads folder, most likely the extras folder. if the background doesn't show up, that's only going to be the first problem. if you do not fix that problem, you will not make it very far
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20:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: colin * r5013 /WebGUI/t/Asset/AssetLineage.t: more coverage tests for getDescendantCount, checking state and status
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21:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: colin * r5014 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (lib/WebGUI/AssetLineage.pm t/Asset/AssetLineage.t): backporting AssetLineage fix and tests for getDescendantCount from trunk
21:34 <+MrHairgrease> rizen
21:34 <@rizen> MHG
21:35 <+MrHairgrease> $self->session->form->process('consultationHoursFile'.$1, 'simpleFile') should process my custom form thingy roight?
21:35 <+MrHairgrease> SimpleFile being my custom plugin
21:36 <@rizen> provided SimpleFile is working, yes
21:36 <+MrHairgrease> ok
21:36 <+MrHairgrease> here's the weird thing
21:36 <+MrHairgrease> SimpleFile inherits from File
21:36 <@rizen> in the same way that Image does?
21:37 <+MrHairgrease> even if I completly remove my own processFormPost 
21:37 <+MrHairgrease> it will not have a value if the file is set to keep
21:37 <+MrHairgrease> uh
21:37 <+MrHairgrease> yeah
21:37 <+MrHairgrease> Simple file use base WG::F::File"
21:38 <+MrHairgrease> so what happens is this
21:38 <+MrHairgrease> 1) no file uploaded
21:38 <+MrHairgrease> 2) upload a file
21:38 <+MrHairgrease> -this works-
21:38 <+MrHairgrease> 3) save the form again without changing anything
21:38 <+MrHairgrease> 4) view the form again
21:39 <+MrHairgrease> - no more file -
21:39 <@rizen> is your form being generated the same way as file?
21:39 <+MrHairgrease> I traced it down to the $self->get('value') WG::F::File->processFormPost being empty
21:39 <@rizen> with the special keep, delete, etc options
21:39 <+MrHairgrease> yes
21:39 <+MrHairgrease> even if i
21:39 <@rizen> ok, and there's one more thing you need to know
21:40 <+MrHairgrease> it work when I use it as aprofile field btw
21:40 <@rizen> when you do proces()
21:40 <@rizen> you must pass in a default value, that includes the current storage location
21:40 <+MrHairgrease> aha
21:40 <+MrHairgrease> i thhought it might be something like that
21:40 <+MrHairgrease> that's what the profilingsystem does
21:41 <+MrHairgrease> why doesn't it grab it from the form params if I may ask?
21:41 <@rizen> it doesn't have it in the params
21:42 <+MrHairgrease>    229         $uploadControl .= WebGUI::Form::Hidden->new($self->session, {-name => $self->get("name"), -value => $self->get("value")})->toHtml()."<br />";
21:42 <+MrHairgrease> so it has, right?
21:43 <@rizen> i guess it does have it
21:43 <@rizen> well then i don't know
21:43 <@rizen> i'd have to research it
21:43 <@rizen> it could be that there is a good reason
21:44 <@rizen> it could be that i was brain dead when i wrote it
21:44 <+MrHairgrease> I think I'm braindead too
21:44 <@rizen> but it can't be changed without looking at all the existing code that uses it to make sure it wouldn't fuck something up
21:44 <+MrHairgrease> It still doesn't work
21:44 <+MrHairgrease> thanks anyway
21:45 <@rizen> sure
21:45 <+MrHairgrease> I'll try to figure it out
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22:01 < leopardus> should the extras directory be copied to the domain?
22:04 <@preaction> leopardus, no. the configuration file has a setting for where the extras folder is located
22:05 < leopardus> preaction, what about the uploads? Should there be an alias for it too in httpd.conf, and which directory?
22:05 <@preaction> no. not httpd.conf, the webgui configuration file
22:07 <@preaction> you shouldn't need another alias if uploads is underneath your DocumentRoot
22:11 < leopardus> preaction, ok, looks like it's working, now I need to learn how to use it!
22:13 <@preaction> that's the experimentation part. use the wiki (see the /topic). feel free to contribute back to the wiki if something is in error. especially in the source install instructions (as i said before, they're probably out of date)
22:15 <@preaction> wait a minute: With the new WRE perl libraries, it would be possible to develop and maintain distro-packaged WebGUIS
22:16 <@preaction> not that plainblack should waste its time/money on it when we have the WRE itself, but if someone in the community...
22:19 <@preaction> why does AssetLineage.pm->setParent() do checking on the current user's groups?
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22:28 < wgGuest90> hello all
22:30 < wgGuest90> did anyone take a look at this.. http://www.webgui.org/webgui/dev/discuss/secondary-admin-can-create-user-with-admin-privilege
22:30 < wgGuest90> any suggestions?
22:31 <@preaction> post an RFE for some differently-grained privileges in the Admin Console?
22:32 <@preaction> post an RFE for Secondary Admins to only allow them to add users to groups they're a member of?
22:34 < wgGuest90> yes, i just posted it.
22:35 < wgGuest90> So, do i have to wait for next version of WebGUI for this???
22:35 <@preaction> if approved, it would go in no earlier than 7.5, correct
22:36 < wgGuest90> can't i do some little tweak on previous code?
22:36 <@preaction> i imagine you might be able to get a patch for your version, if the developer who implements your RFE is feeling generous
22:36 < wgGuest90> oh!
22:37 < wgGuest90> i guess its not a whole lot of change in code though.. so may be anybody guide me . then i would change the code.
22:37 <@preaction> we're not talking days or even weeks here though, we're probably talking months, again, unless someone is feeling up to doing it
22:38 < wgGuest90> hmm.. ok..
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22:40 <@preaction> i'm looking at the code in question, and it's pretty ugly. you're correct in that it isn't much code, the problem is that that code needs to be re-written. 3-4 hours of work + tests
22:41 < wgGuest90> oh!
22:41 < wgGuest90> ok.. i'll too take a look at it.. and find what i can do .. 
22:42 < wgGuest90> do u know where should i look for it.. cause actually i'm kinda new to webgui..
22:42 <@preaction> if you're planning on hacking on WebGUI, please search the wiki for the Coding Guidelines or "WebGUI Best Practices"
22:42 <@preaction> it's in lib/WebGUI/Operation/User.pm
22:43 <@preaction> everything an Administrator does is called an Operation. they use ?op=<something> in the URL and are located in the WebGUI::Operation::* namespace
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22:44 < wgGuest90> sure .. i'll see what i can do.
22:44 < wgGuest90> thanks.. 
22:48 < leopardus> I cannot see the video in 'Getting Started'!
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22:58 < perlDreamer> preaction: setParent is a security fix found by Lucas Bartholemy
22:59 < perlDreamer> double check the version log for details
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22:59 < perlDreamer> It was a beautiful hack
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23:02 <@preaction> perlDreamer, all it has is something about MultiSearch fixes and setParent
23:03 <@preaction> it looks like the actual fix occurred under a branch
23:03 < perlDreamer> could be
23:03 < perlDreamer> Who's the committer
23:03 <@preaction> you
23:03 <@preaction> svn log -r996
23:04 <@preaction> 995 and 994 don't seem to exist in HEAD
23:05 < perlDreamer> yup, branch_6.8
23:05 <@preaction> oh, now i see it
23:06 < perlDreamer> https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/revision/?rev=995
23:06 < perlDreamer> gtg, bbl
23:06 <@preaction> hazel:WebGUI root# svn log https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack -r995
23:06 <@preaction> cya
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23:23 < wgGuest90> i've got a question.. 
23:24 < wgGuest90> whats the difference between the User.pm inside and outside the Operation folder.
23:24 < wgGuest90> is the User.pm in side the Operation is only called by when Admin is on????? is it true?
23:25 <@preaction> WebGUI::User is a user object. WebGUI::Operation::User is all the admin functions to manage users
23:28 < wgGuest90> oh! .. thanks.. 
23:35 < wgGuest90> this is a stupid question.. where should i look for if do print in code... it isn't immediately showing in my console.. is it dumping into somekind of log file??
23:36 <@preaction> print will not do what you expect. warn will dump to the apache error file. WebGUI::Session::ErrorHandler::warn() will go to the webgui error file, WebGUI::Session::Output->print will go to the browser
23:37 < wgGuest90> oh!!.. thanks :D
23:50 < wgGuest90> why isn't it reflectingin front after i made some change in User.pm..??
23:53 < wgGuest90> ?
23:56 <@preaction> you have to restart apache after you change code
23:56 <@preaction> or use Apache2::Reload
23:57 <@preaction> that's a mod_perl thing
23:58 <@preaction> also, there's an article on the wiki about how to get your code into WebGUI core, i think
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00:17 < perlDreamer> Hola, MrHairgrease
00:21 <+MrHairgrease> ola Colin
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01:10 < cap10morgan> is there a way to pre-fill a dataform via query parameters passed in the url?
01:11 <+MrHairgrease> maybe with the FormParam macro
01:11 <+MrHairgrease> if you put that in the default value of the field that is
01:11 < cap10morgan> hmm...
01:12 <+MrHairgrease> It should so the trick
01:12 <+MrHairgrease> do*
01:12 < cap10morgan> i think i want the opposite trick, though
01:12 < cap10morgan> i want to create a link to a dataform that will pre-fill its fields based on values i pass in via that link
01:13 < wgGuest90> hello again
01:13 <+MrHairgrease> how is that opposite?
01:13 < cap10morgan> this macro pulls up the value of a form field
01:13 < wgGuest90> anybody know what $tabform->getTab("groups")->group does?
01:13 < cap10morgan> i want to write the value of a form field
01:13 < perlDreamer> wgGuest90: Read WebGUI::TabForm
01:14 < perlDreamer> cap10morgan, the FormParam macro pulls stuff from the URL and gives it to you as text
01:14 < perlDreamer> MHG is right on the money
01:14 <+MrHairgrease> you want to set the initial values of a dataform by adding form params to the url of that df right?
01:14 <+MrHairgrease> what pd says
01:15 < perlDreamer> The only question is whether the DF default value will process macros or not
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01:15 < perlDreamer> If it doesn't you'll have to do it via ecmascript
01:15 <+MrHairgrease> sure it will
01:15 <+MrHairgrease> wheter or not it does that
01:15 <+MrHairgrease> they'll be processed when the page is rendered
01:15 < perlDreamer> true
01:15 <+MrHairgrease> you might run in trouble incase of selectlists though
01:15 < perlDreamer> Don't use those
01:15 < cap10morgan> ah, so you can say dataform?myparam=foo and then say ^FormParam(myparam); as the defaultValue?
01:15 <+MrHairgrease> and images and that sort of crap
01:16 < perlDreamer> yup
01:16 <+MrHairgrease> yes
01:16 < cap10morgan> ok, cool
01:16 < cap10morgan> thanks
01:16 <+MrHairgrease> hehe
01:16 <+MrHairgrease> np
01:16 <+MrHairgrease> and you shod try selectlist too
01:16 <+MrHairgrease> just to figure out what happens
01:16 <+MrHairgrease> if not for you, then for us =)
01:16 < perlDreamer> I think the DF only does single select stuff, so it ought to work.
01:16 < cap10morgan> haha, ok
01:17 <+MrHairgrease> pd: if they are evaluated after the fact
01:17 <+MrHairgrease> no option will be scelectes
01:18 <+MrHairgrease> since webgui won't see a key '^FormParam(blabla);'
01:18 < perlDreamer> but if they're evalated early, it should work
01:18 <+MrHairgrease> yes
01:18 <+MrHairgrease> that's why cap10morgan is trying it out for us =)
01:19 < cap10morgan> yeah, we'll see. if i get this done and working tonight, i'll try out whatever you guys want me to... on friday. :) (tomorrow is turkey day here in the US)
01:19 <+MrHairgrease> WebGUI::Macro::process($self->session,\$defaultValue);
01:20 <+MrHairgrease> so it does process them itself
01:20 < perlDreamer> yes
01:20 <+MrHairgrease> no need to find out anymore
01:20 < perlDreamer> We should add that to Tavis's list for next year's WUC
01:20 <+MrHairgrease> or have another talk
01:20 <+MrHairgrease> 20 thing Tavis doesn't know about webgui =)
01:21 < perlDreamer> That's all you, man
01:21 < perlDreamer> The Easter Eggs ought to count for at least 6 more
01:21 < perlDreamer> so you're up to 7
01:22 <+MrHairgrease> huh?
01:22 <+MrHairgrease> what do you mean
01:22 < perlDreamer> I'm guessing that Tavis doesn't know about the easter eggs in WebGUI.  So with the macro processing and the easter eggs, you have 7 things he does not know.
01:22 <+MrHairgrease> ah i see
01:23 <+MrHairgrease> i'm not sure if i know about six
01:23 <+MrHairgrease> is that including the wre one?
01:24 <+MrHairgrease> there are also two that is actually one
01:25 < perlDreamer> are you getting my privmsg?
01:25 <+MrHairgrease> no
01:25 < perlDreamer> hmmmm
01:25 <+MrHairgrease> let me msg you then
01:26 <+MrHairgrease> did that arrive?
01:26 < perlDreamer> yes, you're not getting my responses
01:26 <+MrHairgrease> i am not indeed
01:26 <+MrHairgrease> too bad
01:26 < perlDreamer> I need to fix my IRC account
01:26 < wgGuest90> hello
01:26 < perlDreamer> I'm sure there are 6, including the WRE
01:26 < perlDreamer> but I've forgotten where one is
01:26 <+MrHairgrease> the last two i mentioned are actually broken
01:27 <+MrHairgrease> An error was encountered while processing your request.
01:27 < wgGuest90> why am i not getting anything inside this array @groupsToAdd in file User.pm at line 406
01:27 < wgGuest90> ?
01:27 < perlDreamer> wgGuest90: do you mean Operation:User.pm ?
01:27 <+MrHairgrease> it is not in WG::User
01:28 <+MrHairgrease> yeah it's in Op::User
01:28 <+MrHairgrease> I'm not sure what you mean wgguest90
01:29 <+MrHairgrease> what do you mean by not getting in an array?
01:29 <+MrHairgrease> oh
01:29 <+MrHairgrease> nm
01:29 <+MrHairgrease> i should learn to read
01:30 <+MrHairgrease> it doesn't work through the editUser screen?
01:30 < perlDreamer> That's a sticky form setting.  The first time into the form, it should be blank.
01:31 < wgGuest90> yes.. Operation:user.pm
01:32 < wgGuest90> u mean it is blank at first?
01:33 < perlDreamer> Should be
01:33 < wgGuest90> so when will the data loaded in it. 
01:33 < perlDreamer> If there's no form params, then it will be blank
01:33 < perlDreamer> The group list should be prepopulated after the save button is hit
01:33 < perlDreamer> MrHairgrease: is Pannen Koeken one or two words?
01:34 < wgGuest90> but after calling _submenu(session,......).. it will return corrent result of HTML tags.
01:34 < perlDreamer> no
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01:35 < wgGuest90> it wil return my submenu = _submenu(session,... ).. but when i print submenu.. then its showing all the groups.. 
01:35 <+MrHairgrease> one
01:36 <+MrHairgrease> almost all words in dutch are compund words
01:36 <+MrHairgrease> or whatever that's called
01:36 < perlDreamer> that's correct (compound)
01:36 <+MrHairgrease> in dutch it would be compoundwords
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01:37 <@preaction> newspeak doubleplusgoodly easythink
01:38 <@preaction> or is it doubleplusgoodwise? i can never remember
01:38 <+MrHairgrease> i always go for blinkenlights
01:38 < perlDreamer> blinkenlights is famous
01:38 <@preaction> achtungs! attentions lookenspeepers!
01:38 <@preaction> it still makes me laugh every time
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01:48 < perlDreamer> wgGuest90: the call to _submenu contains: $tabform->print, which renders the all the form code as HTML.
01:49 < perlDreamer> but it won't populate the groupsToAdd form with anything other than what it was set up with.
01:52 < wgGuest90> so do you know when will it query the database to get list of groups.?
01:54 <@preaction> when the form elements are created. that's what the getTab()->group() method does
01:54 <@preaction> creates a WebGUI::Form::Group form element
01:58 < wgGuest90> is this the one?
01:58 < wgGuest90> $tabform->getTab("groups")->group(-name=>"groupsToAdd", -label=>$i18n->get("groups to add"), -excludeGroups=>\@exclude,-size=>15,-multiple=>1,-value=>\@groupsToAdd );
02:00 < perlDreamer> Yes
02:01 < wgGuest90> i see it is referencing @groupsToAdd..
02:01 < perlDreamer> yes
02:01 < wgGuest90> for what purpose?
02:01 < wgGuest90> for any extra groups..?
02:01 < perlDreamer> it preselects any groups from the last form display and submit
02:02 < wgGuest90> hmm.
02:02 < perlDreamer> that's what the value field does for that form control
02:02 < perlDreamer> You want to do something different from that.
02:03 < perlDreamer> Keep tracing the code down further.  You're getting closer and learning tons.
02:04 < wgGuest90> thnx..
02:05 < wgGuest90> same case for grouptodelete right? it select any group from last form.. 
02:06 < perlDreamer> yes
02:09 < wgGuest90> getTab("groups") <------- this "groups" is tabname right?
02:09 < wgGuest90> name of a tab
02:09 <@preaction> right
02:09 <+MrHairgrease> not the name
02:09 < wgGuest90> it will return a group object??
02:09 <+MrHairgrease> the id
02:09 <@preaction> not the name, the id
02:09 < wgGuest90> ok..
02:09 <+MrHairgrease> no
02:09 <@preaction> and it returns an HTMLForm object, see WebGUI::TabForm
02:09 < wgGuest90> oh yaa
02:10 < wgGuest90> tabform->getTab("groups")->group( .. so this "->group(" is what??
02:11 <+MrHairgrease> that will add a group for element to the htmlform of the group tab
02:11 < wgGuest90> is it a HTML object?
02:11 <@preaction> HTMLForm has an autoloader that creates WebGUI::Form controls
02:11 <@preaction> see AUTOLOAD { } in HTMLForm and WebGUI::Form::Control (and the specific controls) for more details
02:11 <@preaction> autoload is, of course, bad. but we can't get rid of it now
02:12 < wgGuest90> hmm.. (now its getting bigger).. 
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02:17 < wgGuest90> is AUTOLOAD is called automatically?
02:17 < wgGuest90> i mean we don't have to called it explicitly. 
02:17 <@preaction> autoload is a special perl construct
02:17 <+MrHairgrease> no you don't
02:18 < wgGuest90> o o..
02:18 <+MrHairgrease> it's part of perl's method dispaching system
02:18 <@preaction> it basically means "If you don't find the method you're looking for, run this block instead"
02:19 < wgGuest90> so AUTOLOAD is called autmatically which ultimately populate corresponding HTMLForm.
02:20 <@preaction> no. ->group() gets called. Perl tries to find WebGUI::HTMLForm::group and fails, so it calls AUTOLOAD which tells Perl to load WebGUI::Control::Group, instanciate an object, and call ->toHtml on it, to add to the HTMLForm
02:21 <@preaction> the end result is that group({}) corresponds to WebGUI::Form::Group->new( {} )->toHtml;
02:21 <@preaction> {} being the configuration for the form element
02:27 < wgGuest90> yes.. i am looking at the code. 
02:28 < wgGuest90> Group is WebGUI form and is subclass of SelectList<-List<-control
02:32 < wgGuest90> actually our main target is to fill "options" in List right?
02:32 < wgGuest90> i mean WebGUI::Form::List
02:33 < wgGuest90> we can say.. fill "options" with list of groups in WebGUI::Form::Group
02:35 < wgGuest90> we also use -value=>\@groupsToAdd.. but i don't see this "value" is used?.. however i can see "excludeGroups" is used while query in database.. 
02:36 <+MrHairgrease> pass a hashref containing the key-value pairs you want to appear in slect list to the option property
02:36 <+MrHairgrease> the option you want to be selected in the elemented should be passed to value
02:37 <+MrHairgrease> as an arrayref containing the keys of the options you want to select
02:37 <+MrHairgrease> anyway
02:37 <+MrHairgrease> gotta go
02:37 <+MrHairgrease> it's time for bed over here
02:37 < wgGuest90> oh!..
02:38 <+MrHairgrease> have fun hacking at webgui!
02:38 < wgGuest90> ok.. i'll keep diggin.
02:38 <+MrHairgrease> it's worth it
02:38 <+MrHairgrease> later
02:38 < wgGuest90> yaa.. but i think this is just a begining
02:38 <+MrHairgrease> it is
02:38 <+MrHairgrease> =)
02:38 < wgGuest90> thx
02:38 < wgGuest90> good night
02:38 <+MrHairgrease> the webgui code base isquite large
02:38 <+MrHairgrease> thanks
02:38 <+MrHairgrease> bye
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07:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: graham * r5015 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (4 files in 4 dirs): event, group, and article fixes
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07:33 < CIA-18> WebGUI: graham * r5016 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt t/Asset/File/Image.t): fix image asset test
07:33 < CIA-18> WebGUI: graham * r5017 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.4.15 release
07:36 <+perlDreamer> Haarg: You rock!
07:36 <+perlDreamer> How did you fix the test?
07:37 <@Haarg> it needed to do the object mocking before loading the module
07:37 <@Haarg> so i put the mockobject code into a BEGIN so it would happen before the use lnes
07:39 <+perlDreamer> nice
07:39 <+perlDreamer> Are you doing something to pb.com?
07:40 <@Haarg> i will be in a minute
07:40 <+perlDreamer> It's acting weird.  I go to wg.org, log in, and get redirected to pb.com
07:41 <@Haarg> i get the same
07:44 <+perlDreamer> What time do you think you'll be done with the release?
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07:44 <+perlDreamer> I have some more pending state/status fix commits to make.  It's easy enough to save 'til tomorrow though.
07:45 <@Haarg> it shouldn't be too long
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07:57 <@Haarg> you can commit now
08:01 <+perlDreamer> thanks, man
08:03 <+perlDreamer> oh, it's going to be a while.  t/Session/Url.t is all messed up.
08:03 <+perlDreamer> I gotta remember to backport all this stuff, too.
08:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: jt * r5018 /releases/WebGUI_7.4.15-stable: Release 7.4.15-stable
08:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: graham * r5019 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (4 files in 4 dirs): preparing for 7.5.16 dev
08:04 <+perlDreamer> s/7.5/7.4/;
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08:16 <@Haarg> oop
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08:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: graham * r5020 /WebGUI/ (9 files in 6 dirs): merging 7.4 changes
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09:45 < leopardus> yesterday I installed WebGUI, and I think I have a prob!
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09:56 < leopardus> perlbot:
09:57 < leopardus> khenn:
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14:38 <@khenn> leopardus:  I'm around for a bit
14:50 < leopardus> I just solved the prob, maybe you'll like to know
14:50 <@khenn> what was the problem?
14:51 < leopardus> no pictures were showing up after a source install
14:51 < leopardus> there's a small mistake in http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/source-install
14:52 < leopardus> in "WebGUI files" section
14:53 <@khenn> did you fix it?
14:53 < leopardus> I think I fixed it on my site, but not the on the procedure
14:54 <@khenn> it would be nice if you updated the wiki so other people don't make the same mistake
14:55 < leopardus> do I have access?
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15:23 <@khenn> you should
15:23 <@khenn> search for the article
15:23 <@khenn> and you should be able to see the edit tab
15:26 < leopardus> khenn, I just posted it, plz have a look.
15:26 < leopardus> new post
15:27 <@khenn> k
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15:29 <@khenn> what should I search for?
15:29 <@khenn> never mind
15:29 <@khenn> I'm not seeing it yet
15:47 < leopardus> khenn, are you still here?
15:47 <@khenn> yeah, hanging around
15:48 < leopardus> did you have a look at my post?
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18:58 <@khenn> I haven't seen it post yet
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19:31 <+perlDreamer> Happy Thanksgiving, everyone
19:31 <@khenn> same to you
19:31 <@khenn> =)
19:32 <+perlDreamer> Are you hanging out, or working today, Khenn?
19:32 <@khenn> I'm dabbling
19:32 <@khenn> mostly hanging out =)
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21:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: colin * r5021 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): 
21:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: Final state and status fixes.
21:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: In these three files, any check for status=archived was removed, since
21:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: in each case it is possible that the Asset may want to be viewable
21:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: when it is archived, like Files, Posts, etc.
21:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: Updated Session/Url.t to remove tests for status=archived.
21:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: colin * r5022 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/t/lib/WebGUI/PseudoRequest.pm: backporting PseudoRequest updates from HEAD
21:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: colin * r5023 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/t/Session/Url.t: backport new Session/Url.t tests from HEAD
23:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: colin * r5024 /WebGUI/t/Storage.t: remove mocking, since we new use PseudoRequest
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01:58 < wgGuest90> hello people
01:58 < wgGuest90> what is this mean?
01:58 < wgGuest90> groupId -> snp1wbQIPjCct-kkFmtbEw
01:58 < wgGuest90> in groups table
02:05 <+Radix-wrk> it's the id of the group?
02:07 <+Radix-wrk> the table groupings and groupGroupings then use it to store which users belong to that group and what groups belong to that group
02:08 <+Radix-wrk> the default groups are usually simple id's, like 1-30, but any custom groupings are given random hashes like the one you've mentioned
02:17 < wgGuest90> i think i still didn't get it. 
02:18 < wgGuest90> i found a user have group snp1******* in grouping table
02:18 < wgGuest90> lets say XYZ have entry snp1*** in groupnig table.
02:19 < wgGuest90> and snp1*** also got entry in groups table which also have a random hash **** in it.
02:19 < wgGuest90> but i don't get a point here.. why would the user XYZ need to be in this UNKOWN group??/
02:30 < wgGuest90> ?
02:54 <+Radix-wrk> depends what the group is I guess
02:54 <+Radix-wrk> Not all groups are visible in the groups section - some are invisible groups used by webgui for other purposes
02:55 <+Radix-wrk> subscription groups are one such usage
03:05 < wgGuest90> hmm.
04:26 < wgGuest90> anybody read this post?
04:26 < wgGuest90> "Secondary Admin can create user with Admin Privilege"
04:26 < wgGuest90> ??
04:27 < wgGuest90> I changed the code and solved it!!!!!!
04:27 < wgGuest90> (at least it does what i want)
04:27 < wgGuest90> so do i need to post code?? if yes. .where???
05:26 < wgGuest90> ?
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06:01 <+Radix-wrk> wgGuest90: if it's not already an RFE, then post it up as one, then post the changes needed to fix it and it will get reviewed and possibly accepted for a future version
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20:32 < nuba> blist
20:32 < nuba> oops, wrong window..
20:34 < nuba> that a bitlbee thing
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22:51 < twanny> hello : I'm in the experimenting phase!!
22:51 < twanny> cannot find the index.html of www.example.com !!
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07:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI: colin * r5025 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 5 dirs): 
07:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI: Refactor out the copied code to resize images based on the max file
07:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI: size from the Admin Settings and create a new method in
07:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI: Storage::Image.
07:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI: Build a test to verify that it works correctly.
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19:27 < leopardus> I have a *very* strange prob
19:30 < leopardus> I'm a newbie, it seems I did a mistake while doing a template and now I cannot get the home page
19:31 < leopardus> I source re - installed everything and still cannot get the home page
19:31 < leopardus> are there any info somewhere in the filesystem I have to delete?
19:32 < leopardus> WebGUI was unable to instantiate your style template.
19:32 < leopardus> ^^ this is the error!
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03:05 < perlmonkey2> JT isn't around is he?
03:05 < perlmonkey2> Did the new survey system ever get written?
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21:38 < perlmonkey2> Did the survey system ever get Ajax-ified?
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05:32 < perlmonkey2> Is anyone using the commerce system in a production environment?
05:39 < perlmonkey2> Would anyone be interested in a Paypal shopping cart Wobject?
05:40 < perlmonkey2> Must be the holidays, but I haven't seen anyone talking on this channel in days.
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06:29 <+perlDreamer> anybody awake?  I think I found a way to optimize a WebGUI::Group method.  I'd like to bounce the idea off someone
06:40 <+Radix-wrk> perlmonkey2: Not using it in a production environment myself, but worthy of note is that the commerce system is due for an upgrade soon - it mentions this on the WebGUI roadmap and also talks about the addition of a paypal payment method for it.
06:41 <+Radix-wrk> perlDreamer: I'm awake, but I'm not the best one to bounce ideas off :)
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06:49 <+perlDreamer> Radix-wrk: check out Group.pm, lines 130-133
06:49 <+perlDreamer> First, it checks to see if the group to be added is a child of the current group.
06:50 <+perlDreamer> Then it does an expensive depth search for groups, which includes immediate children and all descendants.
06:50 <+perlDreamer> Then it or's the two results to see if it should really add the group.
06:51 <+perlDreamer> I'm thinking that if an "next if $isIn", then the expensive check could be skipped in many cases.
06:53 <+Radix-wrk> Hey.. I just said I wasn't the best person to bounce ideas off ;)
06:53 <+perlDreamer> I didn't believe you :)
06:53 <+Radix-wrk> but it's true! :)
06:53 <+perlDreamer> I can sense your hack-fu all the way over here in the States
06:54 <+Radix-wrk> Oh I'm definitely a hack, but not in the way you want ;)
06:54 <+perlDreamer> You have studied under the great Dutch masters.  You must rise to your calling
06:55 <+Radix-wrk> It sounds good to me, but I don't understand all the implications
06:56 <+perlDreamer> Well, a few more tests should help cover that
06:57 <+perlDreamer> I found it be analyizing the Devel::Cover output anyway
07:16 <+perlDreamer> The new tests say the code is equivalent
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07:33 < CIA-18> WebGUI: colin * r5026 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Group.pm t/Group.t): 
07:33 < CIA-18> WebGUI: Up coverage of addGroups to 100%.
07:33 < CIA-18> WebGUI: Change tabs to spaces in group diagrams.
07:33 < CIA-18> WebGUI: Optimize the addGroups membership check so the expensive getGroupsIn
07:33 < CIA-18> WebGUI: doesn't have to take place.
07:33 < CIA-18> WebGUI: Add a label to the foreach.
07:33 < CIA-18> WebGUI: colin * r5027 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/t/Group.t: backport new Group test for addGroups
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07:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI: colin * r5028 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Session/Var.pm: 
07:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI: Previous conditional will always cover this case. If true, then
07:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI: $self is returned. If false, then previous conditional is ignored,
07:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI: and this line is also ignored.
07:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI: Removing dead code.
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17:18 < perlmonkey2> I'm bidding on a WebGUI job.  I'm actually subcontracting to a graphical designer who is doing the graphics, html and css.  They want a GUI install with all the normal stuff a site might want.  But then they want video podcasts hosted on blip.tv.  I'll just write a cron job to check the blip.tv rss feed and add the podcasts to the site by inserting into the DB.  NO biggie.  But then they want to sale items in a shopping cart.  I've never
17:20 <+MrHairgrease> There already is an RSS aggregation workflow activity, which you might use.
17:20 <+MrHairgrease> Or base your own on
17:21 < perlmonkey2> Ah yes, I forgot about that.  So far, I won't be doing anything but configuring the system and porting the design to TT.
17:21 < perlmonkey2> In fact, I
17:21 < perlmonkey2> m hoping that their hoster doens't allow root access so I can get him to use plainblack, and then I won't even have to config the site :)
17:22 < perlmonkey2> hard to beat $20/month
17:23 < perlmonkey2> Does anyone know the status of the survey system update?  I have two weeks off for the next 2-3 months and if it hasn't been done, I'd like to finish it.
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17:27 < perlmonkey2> maybe I can sub-sub-contract the job to plainblack for a $50 finders fee?  I have fun things I'd rather do on my time off (like play with ajax and the survey system, or my webminer).
17:27 < perlmonkey2> anyone at plainblack want to give me a quick quote?
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18:02 <+MrHairgrease> in getLineage excludeClasses works differently than includeOnlyClasses
18:03 <+MrHairgrease> more specifically
18:03 <+MrHairgrease> excludClasses takes in account extended classes
18:03 <+MrHairgrease> ie.
18:03 <+MrHairgrease> it does a like ClassName%
18:03 <+MrHairgrease> while includeOnlyClasses only takes specific classes
18:04 <+MrHairgrease> ie. it does a where className in (ClassName1, ClassName2)
18:04 <+MrHairgrease> is this intended?
18:04 <+MrHairgrease> i'm asking b/c the pod says they should do the same thing
18:04 <+MrHairgrease> but opposite
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19:21 < khenn_> perlmonkey2:  send the details to jamie@plainblack.com and we can quote the project for you
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19:23 < perlmonkey2> khenn: I submitted the details a few hours ago on the plainblack website.
19:23 <@khenn> ah ok
19:23 <@khenn> they'll go to the same person then
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19:41 < perlDreamer> knowmad: Thanks for pointing out about the coverage report.  You been thinking about writing some tests?
20:07 < perlmonkey2> Anyone got a sec to tell me how WebGUI would go about emailing out a newsletter?
20:08 <@khenn> using subscriptions in a collaboration system
20:11 < perlmonkey2> khenn: No, this would be someone who would have a list of users and would want to use WebGUI to send out a newsletter to them.  I was thinking creating the users in WebGUI without any rights and them add them to a collaboration system?
20:15 < perlmonkey2> Is the collaboration system a mailing list, like yahoo groups?
20:22 < knowmad> not really, the collaboration system is a more like a forum; think phpBB or vBulletin
20:22 < knowmad> however, it can be used to support a mailing list since it can send and receive emails
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20:45 < perlmonkey2> knowmad: groovy, thanks.  
20:55 < perlmonkey2> khenn: Any chance on that bid coming back today?
20:55 <@khenn> doesn't go to me
20:55 <@khenn> you'll have to email Jamie and ask him
20:56 <@khenn> jamie@plainblack.com
20:57 < perlmonkey2> Jamie doesn't know me, I'm just another anonymous guy submitting requests for quotes through the site.  
20:59 <@khenn> you had to leave some info for him to get in touch with you right?  I have no idea what the request is.
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21:41 < perlDreamer> my dev machine is down
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22:17 <+MrHairgrease> what is cyber monday?
22:18 <@rizen> the day after thanksgiving weekend
22:18 <@rizen> in the US it is the biggest online shopping day of the year
22:18 < perlDreamer> huge amounts of ecommerce
22:18 <+MrHairgrease> aha
22:18 <+MrHairgrease> i see
22:18 <+MrHairgrease> did you read what i posted here this afternoon
22:18 <+MrHairgrease> morning for you
22:19 <+MrHairgrease> about getLineage
22:19 <@rizen> yes and your mother smells funny, but i like it
22:19 <+MrHairgrease> that funny
22:19 <+MrHairgrease> so do i
22:19 <@rizen> i'm ok with changing it to match excludeClasses
22:20 <@rizen> so long as you write some tests for it
22:20 <@rizen> to see what it might break
22:20 <@rizen> that means a) write a test for the change and the write the change
22:20 <@rizen> and b) search the existing webgui codebase for uses of includeOnlyClasses and test them to make sure they don't break
22:21 <@rizen> and c) if it's possible to turn b into an automated test
22:21 <@rizen> please do that
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22:21 <+MrHairgrease> ok
22:22 <+MrHairgrease> i'll see what i can do
22:22 < perlDreamer> getLineage tests are in t/Asset/AssetLineage.t
22:22 <+MrHairgrease> i have very little sparetime on my hands
22:22 <+MrHairgrease> but you already know that by looking at the amount of commits i did lately...
22:23 <+MrHairgrease> pd: thanks, i'll check it out.
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23:41 < perlmonkey2> Is "Jamie" here?
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00:01 < perlDreamer> sorry, no Jamie's here
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16:36 < SDuensin> Greetings.
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17:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: jt * r5029 /tools/makerelease.pl: added coverage
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17:49 < steveo_aa> I've reached the end of my rope.
17:49 < steveo_aa> I am converting assets from one type to another through a cloning process.
17:50 < steveo_aa> In essence, I'm cloning into a new namespace, but the namespace is only a slight modification of the Collaboration system.
17:51 < steveo_aa> However, it is an important change set, and I need to be able to take a Post::Thread asset and convert it to MyPost::Thread.
17:51 <@khenn> you have to copy them
17:52 <@khenn> you can't just change the package name
17:52 < steveo_aa> I acquire the appropriate parent asset and then process all the children, addChild to the new base parent.
17:52 <@khenn> ok you are doing it right then =)
17:53 < steveo_aa> Unfortunately, when I addChild to the new base parent, the asset is being partially created in the DB.  There is a Post, an asset, and an assetData, but sometimes there is and sometimes there isn't an assetIndex.
17:54 < steveo_aa> Without an assetIndex, the cloned asset is invisible.
17:54 < nuba> steveo_aa: i believe if you want just to convert to your Collaboration clone, and dont care for the original, you could carefully change the namespace at the DB for these assets
17:54 < steveo_aa> I've tried that and failed.
17:55 < steveo_aa> Lineage and namespace is insufficient changes.
17:55 < steveo_aa> So the clone purposefully names the new className on instantiation.
17:55 < steveo_aa> And lineage is handled by addChild.
17:57 < steveo_aa> Interestingly at the end of the process, no versionTag is available for rollback, even though a commit was successful.
18:01 < steveo_aa> Between the time an addChild is called and the versionTag commit, I have examined the DB to see the new child assets and I can't find them.
18:02 < steveo_aa> (it is a long process)
18:03 < steveo_aa> So I'm wondering if assetIndex is created on commit rather than on addChild.
18:08 < steveo_aa> Or could sheer volume be an issue here.
18:08 <@rizen> it's created on commit
18:08 <@rizen> assets are indexed when you commit them
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18:09 < steveo_aa> There is no log error message for the failure of the version commit.  I don't know what could be breaking it.
18:09 <@rizen> it doesn't sound like you're committing anything
18:10 <@rizen> weren't you just updating the database table?
18:11 < steveo_aa> I'm using the WebGUI/sbin model to get a session and commit at the end.  And some of the cloned items are receiving assetIndex entries.  Just not all of them.
18:11 < steveo_aa> I can review the news summary page and see them on the current version.
18:11 < steveo_aa> This is an international site, so could there be character range issues?
18:12 < steveo_aa> I'm not touching content, just copying it to a new asset.
18:13 < steveo_aa> At some point I have to reset the dateSubmitted field to correct for the default NOW() behavior.
18:14 < steveo_aa> And the creationDate in the asset table.
18:15 < steveo_aa> But this all follows a completed addChild.
18:18 < steveo_aa>     my $newAsset = $parent->addChild( $props, $pageId, undef, { skipAutoCommitWorkflows => 1 } );
18:18 < steveo_aa> Could the skipAutoCommitWorkflows flag be an issue here?
18:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: jt * r5031 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): merging 7.4.16 bugfix
18:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: jt * r5032 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fix: Multiple Instances of EMS displaying on View Purchase
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18:20 <@rizen> when you say "copy" do you mean you're using the WebGUI copy mechanisms or that you're just using database calls?
18:21 < steveo_aa> I am aquiring a full asset, populating the $props hashref with the values, and then addChild to the new parent.
18:21 <@rizen> and if you're just converting an existing cs into your new thing, then why bother copying anything at all
18:21 < steveo_aa> SPECS
18:21 <@rizen> after each post that you copy
18:21 <@rizen> you need to run
18:21 <@rizen> $post->postProcess;
18:22 <@rizen> or $thread->postProcess;
18:22 <@rizen> this is something unique to posts
18:22 <@rizen> and thread
18:22 <@rizen> s
18:22 <@rizen> they need that extra processing
18:22 <@rizen> and doing that will also commit them
18:23 < steveo_aa> So after "my $newAsset = $parent->addChild(...)" I should then do $newAsset->postProcess.
18:23 <@rizen> yup
18:24 < steveo_aa> Ok.  I'll let you know if I have any further issues.
18:24 < steveo_aa> Oh, since I do have to reset dateSubmitted and creationDate fields, should I do that after the postProcess or before?
18:26 <@rizen> before
18:26 < steveo_aa> Thanks.
18:26 <@rizen> i don't know what the requirements of the project you're working on, but if you can upgrade to 7.4, then you won't need to do that
18:26 <@rizen> cuz the dateSubmitted and dateUpdated fields don't exist anymore
18:27 < steveo_aa> Hmm.  This is an upgrade site.  The codebase is 7.4 but it has 7.3 tables
18:28 < steveo_aa> Which field is the pertinent record for posting date?  creationDate?
18:29 <@rizen> yes
18:29 <@rizen> 7.4 codebase with 7.3 tables is very bad
18:29 < steveo_aa> Not my call.  :(
18:29 <@rizen> there are several incompatible data structures
18:29 < steveo_aa> I presume Mr Bell had that covered.
18:29 <@rizen> i'm not talking about call, i'm talking about a crashed site
18:30 <@rizen> what site is this?
18:30 <@rizen> alumni?
18:30 <@rizen> navman?
18:30 < steveo_aa> first
18:30 < steveo_aa> alumni
18:30 < steveo_aa> dev site
18:30 <@rizen> i'll have to have a chat with him
18:33 < CIA-18> WebGUI: jt * r5033 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): merging 7.4.16 bugfix
18:45 < steveo_aa> > risen: why both copying
18:45 < steveo_aa> I actually tried a method of changing the lineage and className for the records in question, but that failed.
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18:46 < steveo_aa> It would be interesting to me to find out how to move a post to a new parent class.
18:46 <@rizen> there's a very easy way
18:46 <@rizen> actually several
18:47 <@rizen> using api, just cut and paste the threads
18:47 <@rizen> or using hackery
18:47 <@rizen> change the parent ids of all the threads to match the new cs
18:47 <@rizen> then run rebuildLineage.pl
18:48 < steveo_aa> Because this is a new parallel class space, the className would have to be adjusted too.
18:49 < steveo_aa> I tried moving a child class from one parent to another by hand, attempting to conform to the lineage details of the destination, but that failed.
18:49 < steveo_aa> I'll have to see what rebuildLineage.pl does differently.
18:53 < steveo_aa> No wonder dev is running so slow.  It is into swapspace bigtime.
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20:33 < CIA-18> WebGUI: jt * r5034 /wrebuild/wre/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fix: backup.exclude may not be copied
20:33 < CIA-18> WebGUI: jt * r5035 /wrebuild/wre/ (sbin/backup.pl docs/changelog.txt): fix: backup creates false positives in wre monitor
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21:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: jt * r5036 /wrebuild/wre/ (4 files in 3 dirs): fix: backup eats memory
21:04 <@preaction> eats? more like gourges itself on
21:04 <@rizen> hehe
21:04 <@rizen> it's fixed now
21:04 <@rizen> turns out it was just a configuration proble
21:04 <@rizen> so i put some code in to make sure that youc an't configure it that way anymore
21:04 <@preaction> word
21:16 <@preaction> will just saying $newSession = undef; be okay to close a session I just created? or do i have to $newSession->var->end?
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21:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI: jt * r5037 /wrebuild/ (build.sh wre/docs/changelog.txt): replaced graphics magick with image magick
21:48 <@rizen> you have do do end
21:48 <@rizen> and then close
21:49 <@rizen> $session->var->end;
21:49 <@rizen> $session->close;
21:50 <@preaction> k, hopefully that'll fix the memory gobbling i can now reproduce faithfully (though i don't know what specifically causes it yet)
21:51 <@rizen> $session->var->end is just to end the user session
21:51 <@rizen> it really has nothing to do with memory
21:51 <@preaction> the session is only created to commit a version tag as a different userId
21:51 <@rizen> $session->close however, disconnects from mysql and destroys variables, so that will have a lot to do with memory
21:52 <@rizen> doesn't matter
22:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: graham * r5038 /wrebuild/wre/lib/WRE/Spectre.pm: import needed functions
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23:23 < perlmonkey2> Anyone have Jamie's email?  I sent a request for a bid in yesterday and haven't heard back.  But my imap Gmail account ate a few emails, so maybe it got lost.
23:39 <@preaction> "ate"? it should be on the http://plainblack.com/contact_us
23:40 <@preaction> info@plainblack.com would be appropriate
23:41 < perlmonkey2> preaction: yeah, I was using evolution as my email client and emails I received this morning started disappearing.  But I think I still had pop going, so not sure what happened.
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01:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: graham * r5039 /wrebuild/wre/ (docs/changelog.txt lib/WRE/File.pm): fix change owner function
01:04 < perlDreamer> preaction: ping.  I need an Event spec check, please
01:04 < perlDreamer> re this bug: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/event-end-time-missing
01:05 <@rizen> the answer is yes it should
01:06 < perlDreamer> I'll fix it then
01:06 <@rizen> btw pd, how did your train meeting go at the town council or whatever that was?
01:06 < perlDreamer> No train meetings yet.  I've been too busy.
01:07 <@rizen> oh, when you were here i thought you said it was already scheduled
01:07 < perlDreamer> I was planning on doing it in November
01:11 < perlDreamer> That is, the open planning commission meetings are monthly and are regularly scheduled.  I have yet to be prepared enough to go to one.
01:14 < perlDreamer> (note, this is where you call me a slacker)
01:16 <@preaction> slacker!
01:16 < perlDreamer> thanks!
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01:33 < perlDreamer> We use &bull for date separators, what's a good one for time?  &mdash; ?
01:35 <@rizen> just a regular colon
01:35 <@rizen> oh you mean two seperate times
01:35 < perlDreamer>                      Tuesday, November 27 6:58 PM --  7:58 PM
01:35 <@rizen> i'd say just a - wold be fine
01:35 <@rizen> but an emdash is fine too
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01:36 < perlDreamer> Just how many times is 7.4.15 going to be released, anyway? :)
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02:41 < perlDreamer> --bug
02:41 <@rizenafk> perlDreamer++
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02:42 < perlDreamer> Do you want me to do this one, or should it be an RFE? http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/asset-folder-template-loop
02:42 < perlDreamer> I'm pretty sure we've been down this trail before, btw.
02:44 < perlDreamer> but I can't find any previous mention in the logs
02:45 <@rizen> it's an rfe
02:45 <@rizen> but if you want to put it in
02:45 <@rizen> i won't shoot you
02:45 < perlDreamer> I'll add it to 7.5 as a compromise
02:45 < perlDreamer> dinner time
02:45 < perlDreamer> l8r
02:45 <@rizen> later
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02:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI: colin * r5040 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fixing Event time display
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06:26 <+perlDreamer> Yay!
06:27 <@preaction> yay?
06:27 <+perlDreamer> remote controlled LED christmas light goodness
06:27 <@preaction> YAY!
06:27 <+perlDreamer> Also, the world's first Event Asset tests
06:27 <+perlDreamer> 1.5 Yay
06:27 <@preaction> is it bad that Asset->update() does a special-case for the "keywords" thing?
06:27 <@preaction> i mean, what if someone already used the "keywords" label for a column name in a custom asset
06:28 <+perlDreamer> hmmm
06:28 <+perlDreamer> That's a good question
06:28 <+perlDreamer> but we can't always be second guessing what others may do
06:28 <@preaction> i was trying to figure out how WikiPage assets do their Keywords thing
06:28 <@preaction> well, to be sure, but it just feels like too much magic
06:29 <+perlDreamer> wG is full of magic
06:29 <@preaction> one of the biggest hurdles :p
06:29 <@preaction> i'm just going to document it at least
06:29 <+perlDreamer> Good step.
06:30 <+perlDreamer> How's the gallery?
06:31 <@preaction> quite awesome, the code's basically done i'm alternating between writing API tests, trying to flesh out some sort of default template tests, and actually making the templates from steve's mockups
06:32 <@preaction> a client emergency has pushed it back a week, but that's good (i can take an extra week to do some more tests)
06:32 <@preaction> it is, by far, the cleanest, most well-designed code i've ever written
06:32 <+perlDreamer> Awesome.  I can't wait to see it.
06:33 <+perlDreamer> I've just been plugging away in maintenance mode.
06:33 <@preaction> indeed, i can't wait to see what people do with it
06:33 <+perlDreamer> Tests, a few bugs
06:33 <@preaction> i've been noticing
06:33 <+perlDreamer> I'm thinking of asking JT for another smoke test, for 7.4
06:34 <+perlDreamer> especially since branches are now long term
06:34 <@preaction> ah, of course, that's what i was going to do: i've got a FreeBSD 6.2 system with WebGUI on it that basically sits idle all day (something I could run weekly coverage reports on, since it would take at least two days on that slow of a system)
06:34 <+perlDreamer> ooh!
06:34 <+perlDreamer> yeah!
06:35 <@preaction> i was going to ask JT for his script that does the testing
06:35 <+perlDreamer> most of it is sbin/testCodebase.pl
06:35 <@preaction> the testing only requires that mysql be running, correct?
06:35 <+perlDreamer> So far :)
06:35 <+perlDreamer> Oh, and apeiron would be happy if it was WRE based.
06:36 <@preaction> it won't be, it's not entirely idle, it's my dev/experimentation box
06:36 <@preaction> it's my "web server"
06:36 <@apeiron> Why would I be pleased if it was WRE based?
06:36 <@preaction> though theoretically there is another system over there, faster, more efficient. but it needs a hard drive (or some other form of hardware)
06:36  * apeiron arches a brow, curious.
06:37 <@preaction> because the spectre tests would work
06:37 <+perlDreamer> because your spectre test requires the WRE
06:37 <@apeiron> Ah, yay tests!
06:37 <+perlDreamer> apeiron has not been reading my intermittent test summaries
06:37 <@preaction> i sent him an e-mail last week when i first noticed the smoke tests message
06:37 <@apeiron> Indeed, jumping in in the middle, and yeah, I have to get to that test fix.
06:38 <+perlDreamer> we need something like smolder, a test aggregator so that many people could run the tests
06:38 <@apeiron> hummm
06:38 <@apeiron> Maybe BINGOS' CPANsmoke thing would be a good start?
06:39 <+perlDreamer> I've heard of that, but don't know if it will handle non-distribution type tests
06:43 <@apeiron> Wondering how difficult it would be to either adapt that, or the tinderbox software.
06:44 <+perlDreamer> Do you have a link for tinderbox?
06:44 <+perlDreamer> The first hit on google for tinderbox is another CMS
06:44 <@apeiron> There's actually a couple of separate ones, to my knowledge.
06:45 <@apeiron> There's http://www.mozilla.org/tinderbox.html and then a FreeBSD version (port, perhaps?) at, hm, sec.
06:46 <@apeiron> http://tinderbox.marcuscom.com/ for the FreeBSD version.
06:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI: colin * r5041 /WebGUI/t/supporting_collateral/ (tooTall.gif tooWide.gif): Adding previously forgotten testing collateral
06:49 <+perlDreamer> so would we use one of their tinderbox servers, or host one of our own?
06:50 <@apeiron> Would likely host our own.
06:51 <@apeiron> I imagine you'd need to hack at either of those packages to make it work for WG.
06:51 <@apeiron> But it's a start, and most of the important stuff -- i.e. the reporting infrastructure -- is there.
06:51 <@apeiron> The rest would just be IPC, no?
06:54 <+perlDreamer> yes
06:55 <+perlDreamer> That's the thing I like about smolder.  It's a full end to end solution with no hackery.
06:55 <+perlDreamer> but the thing I don't like is the size.
06:55 <+perlDreamer> to be that complete, it bundles a whole ton of perl modules
06:56 <+perlDreamer> Kind of like a certain CMS that I know of :)
06:56 <@apeiron> The things I've mentioned are readymade for the tasks for which they were designed, of course.
06:57 <+perlDreamer> Hey, as long as we can say something like "aggregate ." and do the right thing with minimal hackery and maintenance, I'm cool with it
07:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: colin * r5042 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/t/Asset/Event.t: fix UTC dates for Event test
07:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: colin * r5043 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/lib/WebGUI/ (Asset/File.pm Asset.pm Session/Url.pm): backport of state/status fixes from HEAD
07:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: colin * r5044 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): forward porting Event dateSpan display fix and Event.t test
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07:15 <+perlDreamer> time to go to the board of woe
07:15 <+perlDreamer> 'night, guys
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10:23 <@preaction_> CIA-45, help
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11:14 < leopardus> which is the page loaded on http://www.example.com ??
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14:33 < leopardus> anyone with some good *tweaking* experience?
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16:11 < SDuensin> Greetings
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16:33 < leopardus> SDuensin, how d?
16:34 < SDuensin> Eh.  Working.  Fun fun.
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17:27 < knowmad> at the last WUC, one of the developers mentioned that it's possible to tell wG not to load some of the core modules that aren't needed (e.g., commerce). does anyone here know how to do that?
17:41 < steveo_aam> In /data/wre/prereqs/apache/conf/httpd.modperl.conf, comment out this line: PerlRequire /data/WebGUI/sbin/preload.perl
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17:54 < perlmonkey2> I'm really trying to get a client to use plainblack servers, and I've inserted a $150 setup charge if I have to use their hosting server to set up webgui on.  Does that sound fair?  Do WebGUI contractors talk business here, or should they go to #webgui-scabs?
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18:00 < knowmad> steveo: thanks. so i comment out the whole preload? is the idea that wG will load only the modules on an as needed basis?
18:03 < knowmad> we do our own hosting for clients and find it a challenge to charge a setup fee; i will sometimes use it as a gimme during negotiations so don't count on having that money coming in the door; of course, we have to make up for it elsewhere as their is some time investment involved in setting up a new site
18:03 < knowmad> however, the WRE has made that time a *lot* shorter
18:04 < knowmad> i can setup a webgui site far more quickly than a "standard" site on our other server
18:06 < perlmonkey2> knowmad: It is a small, small job, and I'm only taking it because a client with a larger job asked me to handle it.  It is a custom php CMS that they want ported.  But I'd have to have a lean on my house before I'd write php.  So, I either move it to WebGUI, preferabley PlainBlack hosted, so I don't have to deal with the setup.  Or I port to Catalyst and charge 3 times as much.
18:17 < knowmad> i hear ya; we do php under duress as well.
18:18 < knowmad> i've considered hosting with PB but we have all the servers in place so haven't had a need to as yet; $150 setup sounds very reasonable if you are having the client contract with PB directly for hosting
18:19 < knowmad> our basic hosting fee for our clients (we don't do public hosting) is $25/mo which is higher than PB's so we make up the setup costs over time
18:20 < knowmad> steveo: ping
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18:48 < CIA-45> WebGUI: colin * r5048 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset_Folder.pm: grrrr. Mistyped an i18n table key
19:01 < perlDreamer> SynQ:  America is now a civilized country.  We found some stroopwaffeln sold locally.
19:02 < perlDreamer> It even comes in a decorative faux-Dutch white and blue tin.
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19:04 < perlDreamer> Hail, rizen
19:05 <@rizen> all hail perlDreamer
19:05 <@rizen> for he is the supreme commander of the galaxy
19:05 < perlDreamer> I bring tidings of great joy.
19:05 < perlDreamer> You can buy stroopwaffeln in the states.
19:05 <@rizen> oh yeah?
19:05 <@rizen> whoa!
19:05 <@rizen> where?
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19:06 < perlDreamer> I'll ask Kathy.
19:06 < perlDreamer> I came home yesterday and saw a Dutch style tin on the counter.
19:06 < perlDreamer> Inside were cookies of maple-y delight
19:06 <@rizen> speaking of sweet stuff
19:06 < perlDreamer> Which I can't eat, or I'll have to do push-ups
19:06 <@rizen> you let your sons lie about your t-day eating habbits
19:06 < perlDreamer> Oh no, I beat them when I got home
19:07 <@rizen> at checkers?
19:07 < perlDreamer> With a Koosh bat
19:07 <@rizen> you aren't the sort to beat a kid
19:07 <@rizen> oh a koosh bat
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19:08 <@rizen> so i thought things were going to slow down after the wu
19:08 <@rizen> wuc
19:08 <@rizen> wow was i wrong
19:08 < perlDreamer> warp 8?
19:08 <@rizen> for the next two months i have no less than 5 items on my calendar per day
19:08 <@rizen> and that doesn't count all the crap that "just comes up"
19:09 < perlDreamer> oh, by the way...
19:09 < perlDreamer> :)
19:09 < perlDreamer> more speaking engagements?  More writing?
19:10 <@rizen> working on some new books
19:10 <@rizen> and sending out proposals for new speaking engagements
19:10 <@rizen> working on a new hosting provisioning system
19:10 <@rizen> which i hope to demonstrate and talk about at YAPC
19:11 < perlDreamer> Did you see that joomla, drupal and sliverlight were hand picked for a new Google open source outreach program for high schoolers?
19:11 <@rizen> designing the new commerce system
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19:11 <@rizen> yeah
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19:11 < perlDreamer> That's a bunch of work.  And that's on top of the normal stuff.
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20:09 < perlDreamer> I don't suppose Chris Dolan mentioned where to find ppidump, did he?
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21:03 < CIA-45> WebGUI: jt * r5049 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/lib/WebGUI/ (Storage/Image.pm Image.pm): use image magick first if it exists
21:48 < CIA-45> WebGUI: graham * r5051 /wrebuild/wre/ (4 files in 3 dirs): fix spectre startup, Image::Magick on windows command line
22:33 < CIA-45> WebGUI: jt * r5052 /wrebuild/build.sh: fix a typo
22:52 <@rizen> here's a topic: http://www.cracked.com/article_15699_9-most-badass-bible-verses.html
22:52 <@rizen> discuss amongst yourselves
23:00 <@preaction_> Nothing about Lot, who promised his virgin daughters to a group of ruffians if they would just shut the h311 up?
23:02 <@rizen> what's funny is, when i was younger i read the bible cover to cover at least three times, and i just sort of glossed over all the crazy shit
23:03 <@preaction_> if they're just parables, i imagine they'd make a lot more sense
23:13 < perlDreamer> I like the one about the guy who had to sacrifice his daughter because he made a promise to God.
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03:07 <@preaction_> would it be possible to use a different MPM in the mod_perl apache?
03:07 <@preaction_> the current prefork MPM doesn't do hardly any sharing between processes
03:08 <@preaction_> but a threaded model like worker would share the perl interpreter between the threads
03:09 <@preaction_> or perhaps load more things into memory before apache begins forking, in wre/sbin/startup.pl
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06:27 <@rizen> preaction: we already load everything possible in preload.perl
06:27 <@rizen> however, it may be possible to use a different MPM. i have been looking into the threaded MPM for a while now
06:28 <@rizen> i told colin about my threaded mpm plan 3 months ago
06:28 <@rizen> the goal is to explore that for wre 0.9
06:28 <@rizen> because if we can make it work, it would use 1/10th the memory that the current prefork version uses
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16:03 < SDuensin> Hello!
16:04 < perlmonkey2> hello
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18:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: graham * r5063 / (3 files in 3 dirs): 
18:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: Merged revisions 5062 via svnmerge from
18:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/branch/WebGUI_7.4
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20:57 < perlmonkey2> does spectre have to run as root?
20:58 <@preaction> it shouldn't, no
21:00 <@rizen> there's no reason to run spectre as root unless you want to run it on a port lower than 1024
21:03 < perlmonkey2> so specter only needs to run as a user with high enough permissions to connect to the mysql db and to the website, and to write to the log?
21:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: jt * r5065 /wrebuild/wre/ (4 files in 4 dirs): fixing workflow monitoring problems
21:04 <@rizen> just to write to the log
21:04 <@rizen> it gets it's mysql privs from the config file
21:04 <@rizen> and you can't stop it from connecting to the web site
21:05 <@rizen> or rather, no user level means anything for connecting to the site
21:05 < perlmonkey2> rizen: Please tell me the magic words to get the guy I'm subcontracting to, to use your site for hosting?  
21:05 <@rizen> generally speaking spectre should run as the same user as modperl
21:05 < perlmonkey2> He normally uses http://www.mediatemple.net which I'm pretty sure WebGUI isn't going to work with.
21:05 <@rizen> which is usually "webgui"
21:06 <@rizen> well if he's subcontracting for you, why don't you just tell him he must
21:06 <@rizen> you're the boss
21:06 <@rizen> or are you subcrontacting for him?
21:06 < perlmonkey2> No, I'm subcontracting for him.  
21:06 < perlmonkey2> yeah :(
21:07 <@rizen> in that case you need to discover why he would rather use mediatemple than us
21:07 <@rizen> is it cost
21:07 <@rizen> is it because he's used to media temple
21:07 <@rizen> is it something else
21:07 <@rizen> the argument is different depending upon what his reasons ar
21:07 <@rizen> are
21:09 < perlmonkey2> It is because he is used to media temple
21:09 < perlmonkey2> They give a $3/month break if you pay for a full year, otherwise it is the same cost.
21:10 < perlmonkey2> I'm on the point of just telling him, I am a Perl dev, I am not nearly poor enough to be forced into PHP, I like WebGUI, if he can find a better Perl CMS then show it to me, so if he wants to use me, it is WebGUI hosted at PlainBlack.  Course that is a bit aggro and might scare him off.
21:11 <@rizen> which package at mt is he getting?
21:11 <@rizen> do you know?
21:11 <@rizen> and is this for custom dev?
21:11 <@rizen> cuz we don't allow custom code on our virtual servers
21:12 <@rizen> only on our dedicated servers
21:13 <@rizen> but some of the magic words are: free upgrades, 24/7 monitoring, daily backups, support from the people who wrote the software
21:18 < perlmonkey2> hah, exactly.  
21:19 < perlmonkey2> We would need custom code in the future, but I like to do things in small phases.  Getting the customer something funcational ASAP, then adding bells and whistles as needed.
21:25 < perlmonkey2> rizen: You genius.  We'd have to have a dedicated virtual server for WebGUI to run.  So Media Temple $50/month, but with root access and full control over what is installed on the OS.  
21:27 <@rizen> hardly
21:27 <@rizen> you need at least the $100 version
21:29 < perlmonkey2> oh, because 256MB ram isn't enough?
21:29 <@preaction> no no no
21:29 <@rizen> yeah
21:29 <@rizen> you'd need at least 512mb ram
21:30 <@preaction> which would probably require optimization of memory usage settings (because swapping is bad)
21:30 <@rizen> other than that though, the media temple version isn't a bad deal
21:30 <@rizen> but it doesn't come with any support or installation
21:30 <@rizen> i assume you'd handle the installation
21:30 < perlmonkey2> another reason I want to go with PB
21:30 <@rizen> but then if he wants webgui support it will be another $1k per year
21:30 < perlmonkey2> I can install WG no problem, but it takes me an hour to do it.
21:31 < perlmonkey2> Yeah, I'm telling him we need PB.
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21:49 < perlmonkey2> The selling point at media temple is the storage.  $20/month gives you 100GB of storage.  I'm not sure how usable that is, because I'm going to guess that is some sort of map-reduce arch.
21:50 < perlmonkey2> But even the $50 virtual server gives 20GB.
21:50 <@rizen> is he planning on serving big media files or something?
21:50 <@rizen> most webgui sites don't use more than 500MB of storage
21:50 < perlmonkey2> yes, lots of MP3's.  This is a site for a Church's choir direcotr.
21:50 < perlmonkey2> also lots of podcasts for sermons.
21:51 <@rizen> ah
21:52 <@rizen> well there i can't help you
21:52 <@rizen> we can increase the storage on our hosting
21:52 <@rizen> but it's $15/mo per 500MB
21:53 <@rizen> but part of the reason we charge so much is that we do both on and off server daily backups
21:53 <@rizen> so the 15 doesn't just cover the space
21:53 <@rizen> but the backups too
21:53 < knowmad> Are my pixels dying or have the online poll results gone wacko? http://www.plainblack.com/wg/contribute
21:53 <@rizen> it's a bug
21:54 <@rizen> the new WRE switches back to image magick
21:54 <@rizen> and something went wonky as a result
21:54 < knowmad> oh, really
21:54 < knowmad> so you're giving up on Graphics Magick also
21:54 < knowmad> i tried it shortly on some of my projects but kept gravitating back to IM
21:55 <@rizen> we only switched to it because of platform compatibility problems
21:56 <@rizen> but we've finally overcome those thanks to apeiron
21:56 <@rizen> so now we're going back to a more flexible and powerful api
21:56 <@rizen> graphics magick feels old and rickety
21:56 < knowmad> cool. ++apeiron
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22:39 < perlDreamer> Has rizen been here today?
22:39 <@preaction> yes, you just missed him
22:39 < perlDreamer> GHOP is looking for more work, they have more students than projects
22:39 < perlDreamer> I think we should apply
22:39 < perlDreamer> I even have a task in mind
22:40 <@preaction> Thingy?
22:40 < perlDreamer> No, it's for high school students
22:40 <@khenn> I thought Thingy was done
22:40 <@preaction> no, it's being done though
22:40 < perlDreamer> I'd like to have someone experiment with different testing strategies for wG
22:40 < perlDreamer> Test::Harness 3.0
22:40 < perlDreamer> Test::Aggregator
22:40 < perlDreamer> Test::Harness::Parallel
22:41 < perlDreamer> find out what works with wG, what doesn't and how much time we can shave off our testing times
22:41 < perlDreamer> http://www.oreillynet.com/onlamp/blog/2007/11/help_wanted_give_us_work.html
22:42 <@preaction> i still don't see why the time it takes to run tests is relevant at all
22:43 < perlDreamer> Virtue #3
22:43 < perlDreamer> and the fact that I run tests on a P3 500 MHz box most of the time
22:44 < perlDreamer> at WUC 2K6, some people also mentioned that they don't run tests before every commit because they take too long
22:44 < perlDreamer> it's one of the reasons we set up the smoke tests
22:44 < perlDreamer> as a backstop
22:44 < perlDreamer> (which, incidentally, I needed the other day)
22:45 < perlDreamer> If y'all can think of a more exciting project, I say we should do it
22:45 < perlDreamer> But I'm willing to mentor this one and help get wG involved in these outreach kind of programs
22:46 <@preaction> perhaps a Test::Builder to leverage WWW::Mechanize to test webgui from the frontend?
22:47 <@preaction> there must be an asset that somebody wants, like an Auction / eBay asset
22:48 <@preaction> an asset with an interface to google widgets? a rewrite of the WebServices Client? (which is in desperate need of one)
23:01 <@preaction> a rewrite of the Dashboard? or at least some enhancements and things to make it more awesomeness
23:03 < CIA-18> WebGUI: jt * r5066 /wrebuild/wre/ (var/setupfiles/wre.conf docs/changelog.txt): config file adjustments
23:08 < perlDreamer> For the Test::Builder, how 'bout Test::WWW::Mechanize?
23:11 <@preaction> iirc Test::WWW::Mechanize is just for testing WWW::Mechanize, at least, that's what it sounded like when i read it
23:11 <@preaction> rewrite WebGUI::Test::Maker to act more like Test::Deep (<3 Test::Deep)
23:12 < perlDreamer> No, I think Test::WWW::Mech is a Test::More like frontend to Mech
23:13 <@preaction> perlbot cpan for Test::WWW::Mechanize
23:13 < perlbot> Documentation for 'Test::WWW::Mechanize' can be found here: http://xrl.us/bbzs4
23:14 <@preaction> ah, you are right
23:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: jt * r5067 /wrebuild/wre/var/upgrades/ (upgrade_0.8.1-0.8.2.pl upgrade.skeleton): 
23:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: fixed skeleton
23:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: prepared for 0.8.2 dev cycle
23:19 <@preaction> ha! Leverage Test::WWW::Mechanize to (somehow) test WebGUI's frontend WITHOUT REQUIRING apache
23:19 <@preaction> or, enhance WebGUI::Test::Maker::HTML with Test::Deep-like [ bag() superhashof() re()] test objects
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23:30 < perlDreamer> I think we need to go through Apache.  It's the only way to really duplicate the user experience.
23:30 < perlDreamer> At least until we get smart enough to use something like GtkMozEmbed, or Selenium
23:32 < perlDreamer> slightly different subject
23:32 < perlDreamer> Is this forum thread really a template bug
23:32 < perlDreamer> http://www.webgui.org/web_design_templates_and_themes/qa-cs-formatting/1#idrZpBcKVsWKX4eb3asvoogQ
23:36 <@preaction> yes, but that's the wrong way to fix it. it should probably be a <dl>
23:37 <@preaction> and the content/bodyText of a Post asset can contain any HTML, so it can't be inside of a <p> tag (since <p> cant contain any non-floated block elements)
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00:05 < perlDreamer> preaction: if you'll post proper fixing instructions to the post, I'll patch the template
00:06 <@preaction> the Q&A template is where the question is the title and the answer is the post, right?
00:07 < perlDreamer> PBtmpl0000000000000081.tmpl
00:08 < perlDreamer> yes,  almost.  The answer is the content
00:08 < perlDreamer> I <3 templateFiler.pl
00:15 < perlDreamer> Haarg: Are you home?
00:15 <@Haarg> yup
00:16 < perlDreamer> re this rev: https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/revision/?rev=5055
00:16 < perlDreamer> Should the returned status be 0 instead of 1?
00:16 < perlDreamer> Mail::Send, line 447
00:16 <@Haarg> possibly
00:17 <@Haarg> i was having it act as if there was an empty group
00:18 < CIA-18> WebGUI: chrisn * r5068 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Backport the changes to Spectre::Workflow::getJsonStatus to 7.4.
00:18 < perlDreamer> The POD makes it sound like the mail was sent if $status = 1, so that would be consistent with an empty group.
00:19 <@Haarg> the send queued mail messages workflow would requeue if you return 0
00:19 <@Haarg> and it can never succeed if it has an invalid group id
00:20 < perlDreamer> both true
00:21 < perlDreamer> So long as the group was not deleted before the submission of an email and its sending, the group should always be there anyway
00:22 <@Haarg> yeah.  i think from the perspective of the workflow, returning 0 is the right thing
00:23 < perlDreamer> I agree completely.
00:23 <@Haarg> if you weren't working from the queue, but just sending a message, it would probably be best to get an error back.  but there isn't really room for that as it just has a boolean return
00:23 < perlDreamer> Yes
00:23 <@Haarg> an error will show in the logs though
00:23 < perlDreamer> How about a log message?
00:24 <@Haarg> calling WebGUI::Group->new will spit out an error in this case
00:24 < perlDreamer> Cool
00:26 < perlDreamer> Thanks for being patient and explaining all that out.
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01:47 < cap10morgan_> Is there a macro to spit out "http" or "https" based on whether or not the page is being accessed securely?
01:52 <@preaction> doesn't look it, but perhaps there's some Env you could use?
01:54 < nuba> http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/ssl/ssl_compat.html#variables
02:00 < perlDreamer> cap10morgan_: I _think_ ^Page() will do the magical https autodetection for you, but it also spits out the hostname
02:00 < cap10morgan_> ok, i'll look into it. thanks guys
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13:47 < Klaus_> Hello!
13:48 < Klaus_> Have a question: is there an easy way to unarchive all posts in a CS?
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16:23 < SDuensin> Friday!
16:29 < knowmad> TGIF!
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16:53 <+MrHairgrease> You guys should come and live in the Netherlands. Over here it's almost weekend already.
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21:48 < CIA-18> WebGUI: doug * r5072 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/lib/WebGUI/ (Help/Asset_Post.pm i18n/English/Asset_Post.pm Asset/Post.pm): backport 5071
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23:29 < wgGuest73> Here is the simplest question of all.
23:30 < wgGuest73> what should i do, if i want to change the port of the webgui site.
23:30 < wgGuest73> i know i have to change it in xxxxxx.modproxy file.
23:32 <@preaction> in webgui.conf and spectre.conf too, but why are you doing so?
23:33 < wgGuest73> i want to host in different port other than 80
23:34 <@preaction> so i'm assuming you know what to do with Apache, you just need to know how WebGUI uses it
23:35 < wgGuest73> yes.. 
23:36 <@preaction> since it sounds like you're doing the WRE, all you'd need to change is the webServerPort in the webgui config files
23:36 <@preaction> might want to make sure that spectre can still connect though, and that spectre.conf still points to the right port (the modperl instance, not the modproxy instance)
23:38 < wgGuest73> oh i see it webgui conf file. 
23:38 < wgGuest73> hmmm.
23:39 < wgGuest73> why WebGui is using builtin apache and mysql server??
23:39 < wgGuest73> it could use system's server too..
23:41 <@preaction> search the wiki for "source install". you downloaded the WRE, the WebGUI Runtime Environment. it's a preconfigured / optimized set of the requirements for WebGUI
23:41 <@preaction> i mean, do you want to fulfill all of WebGUI's requirements manually? you're free to do so
23:43 < wgGuest73> hmmm.. that make sense..
23:48 <@preaction> of course, if you're going to do that, if you know how to make packages for your distro, you might consider making a WebGUI package for your distro. we could add it to webgui.org
23:52 < ckotil> configuring webgui from source is a lengthy process. its rewarding tho
23:55 <@preaction> the source install instructions still seem... wrong... it could use a rewrite
23:56 < ckotil> :)
23:56 < wgGuest73> hmmm.. i ok with WRE for now :D
23:56 < ckotil> have a good weekend.
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