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00:31 < wgGuest57> Hi, I tried logging into my account plainblack.com/support but it told me that my permission was denied...
00:31 < wgGuest57> Can someone help me out?
00:32 <@preaction> this isn't really a plainblack help channel, but i can help you
00:32 <@preaction> what's your account name?
00:33 < wgGuest57> cryogas1
00:33 <@preaction> ok, give me a couple minutes to pull it up
00:33 < wgGuest57> well, i tried logging in because i'm trying to set up email accounts on the plainblack server, so i figured the support page would help me out
00:34 <@rizen> you are not in any support group
00:35 <@rizen> if you believe this is an error, you need to contact info@plainblack.com
00:38 < wgGuest57> Oh...
00:39 < wgGuest57> Is there any chance one of you two would be able to help me setting up e-mail accounts on the plainblack server?
00:39 <@preaction> i don't even know how
00:40 <@rizen> i know how, but i have no way to verify who you are or what privileges you have, so until that is verified i can't help you
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00:40 <@rizen> you should be listed as a hoster
00:40 <@rizen> if you are
00:40 <@rizen> but since you're not
00:40 <@rizen> i can't help
00:46 < wgGuest57> I can't provide any information for identification?
00:47 <@rizen> not to us
00:47 <@rizen> only to info@plainblack.com
00:47 < wgGuest57> But the likelihood of getting a response before tomorrow would be pretty low, yes?
00:48 <@rizen> yes
00:48 <@rizen> that doesn't change the fact that we can't help you
00:48 <@rizen> we both want to help you
00:48 <@rizen> we can't
00:48 <@rizen> we don't deal with billing issues
00:48 <@rizen> which is what this is
00:48 < wgGuest57> Well
00:48 < wgGuest57> We signed up, I just seem to have forgotten the account I bought hosting with
00:50 < wgGuest57> And...I tried to retrive a password in hopes of retrieving the username as well, but we just pointed the DNS elsewhere on friday, so I have no access to my email account
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02:17 < wgGuest68> I'm sorry to be such a bother, would one of you be able to provide me with the numerical IP of the plainblack server?
02:20 <@preaction> which plainblack server?
02:20 <@preaction> and there are utilities on your computer that do that for you
02:20 <@preaction> *nix: host or dig; windows: nslookup
02:22 < wgGuest68> uh, cold.plainblack.com
02:22 <@preaction> perlbot host cold.plainblack.com
02:23 <@preaction> oops
02:23 <@preaction> perlbot host a cold.plainblack.com
02:23 < perlbot> cold.plainblack.com has address 67.15.42.44
02:24 < wgGuest68> alright, I just wanted to be sure
02:24 < wgGuest68> thanks
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07:07 <+snapcount> in retrospect... running a script that is going to add 30K assets to a site under one version tag was probably a bad idea
07:08 <+snapcount> spectre is not going to be happy with me
07:10 <@rizen> i'm not sure, but i don't think i accounted for such a version tag
07:10 <+snapcount> lol
07:10 <@rizen> i guess i should have
07:11 <+snapcount> no... I should probably be doing my stuff a little smarter
07:11 <+snapcount> there's no reason I couldn't break the commits up
07:11 <+snapcount> but since it's running... I guess I'll see what happens =)
07:13 <+snapcount> Basically, the script is pulling from an external db with states, cities, facilities in a city and detail about each facility
07:13 <+snapcount> and creating a page for each facility with it's city and state as parent layouts
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07:28 <+snapcount> moment of truth...
07:47 <@rizen> so what is the truth?
07:47 <+snapcount> holy shit
07:47 <+snapcount> it finished
07:47 <+snapcount> let me check the site and see if it still lives
07:47 <@rizen> nice. i guess i'm smarter than i thought
07:50 <+snapcount> it worked
07:50 <+snapcount> all the content is there, at least from random spot checks
07:50 <+snapcount> would take a while to verify each one =)
07:51 <@rizen> congratulations. you have just committed the largest version tag in history. at least that i'm aware of.
07:51 <+snapcount> sweet
07:52 <+snapcount> I'll have to make myself a t-shirt or something
07:52 <+snapcount> "I committed the largest version tag in WebGUI history and all I got was this stupid t-shirt"
07:53 <@rizen> and people would actually like that shirt if you were coming to the wuc
07:53 <@rizen> but i think the general public would be like "huh?"
07:54 <+snapcount> they're like that for most of the shirts I wear now anyway
07:54 <@rizen> i c
08:03 <+snapcount> I guess the commit didn't finish entirely
08:04 <+snapcount> but the tag is showing up so I just clicked commit again
08:04 <+snapcount> see if it gets another chunk
08:37 <+snapcount> I think I'm watching the "Don't tase me bro" special on COPS
08:38 <+snapcount> they've got like 6 people in one episode
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09:25 <+snapcount> cool it finished
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13:04 < xdanger> Shouldn't the getContentLastModified function be overwriten in Collaboration to return ~ select max(revisionDate) from assetData where asset.lineage like '".$self->getLineage."%' ?
13:07 < xdanger> IE is showing "old" version of a layout page that has a news-listing done with collaboration... I've even overwriten the headers to disable caching in the browser, but IE still caches them... Only the last-modified header is something that doesn't change...
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14:14 < AMH_mari> @xdanger:you might try  flushing the WebGUI cache (accessible from admin console).
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18:01 <@rizen> xdanger, you're probably right, it should
18:01 <@rizen> submit a bug report
18:05 < AMH_mari> @rizen: following up last friday's discussion, this weekend took a look at the WebGUI macro parser and think I have a suggestion to improve it: instead of recursing with the whole parameter string and then separating into parameters, first separate parameters and then recurse for each parameter separately. The amended 7.4.8-final Macro.pm source can be found at: http://www.xs4all.nl/~tartarus/cabinet/Macro.pm .Did not have time to test it very 
18:08 <@rizen> please post it as an RFE. I won't have time to review anything until after the WUC.
18:08 <@rizen> why would it be faster to parse each parameter separately?
18:08 < AMH_mari> Not faster but more robust.
18:08 < AMH_mari> (in handling commas and quotes in nested calls).
18:10 <@rizen> more robust is good, but i can't accept more robust without it being at least as fast as it is
18:10 <@rizen> have you performed any time trials?
18:10 < AMH_mari> Will post it as an RFE; forgot the time, have to go home now, regards.
18:10 < AMH_mari> No time trials yet, can have a look this evening.
18:10 <@rizen> ok
18:11 <@rizen> thanks
18:11 < AMH_mari> cu
18:11 <@rizen> bye
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19:14 < danny_mk> Hello everyone!  cap10morgan, I won't be able to make the WUC so it is up to you to build up the hype on OpenId :-)
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19:19 <@rizen> man you really know how to kill a crowd
19:19 <@rizen> just kidding =)
19:19 <+MrHairgrease> so much for the openId hype
19:27 <+MrHairgrease> rizen
19:27 <+MrHairgrease> what is or used to be the group with gid=5
19:30 <@rizen> no idea
19:30 <@rizen> the only ones i keep track of are 1,2,3,7,and12
19:30 <@rizen> the rest are basically irrelevant
19:31 <+MrHairgrease> i ask because somehow in a site i'm working on
19:31 <+MrHairgrease> the admin group is in group 5
19:31 <+MrHairgrease> which does not exist
19:32 <+MrHairgrease> making it impossible to add users to the admin group
19:32 <+MrHairgrease> on the demo site it works fine though
19:33 <@rizen> i have that group grouping on plainblack.com
19:34 <@rizen> but it doesn't seem to affect anything
19:34 <+MrHairgrease> can you do this:
19:35 <+MrHairgrease> admin console -> groups -> admin -> add users to group
19:35 <+MrHairgrease> manage users in group
19:35 <+MrHairgrease> then select some user and click safe
19:36 <@rizen> worked fine
19:36 <+MrHairgrease> ok
19:36 <+MrHairgrease> i'm working with a half patched system here (the one on which i discovered the group->new bug)
19:37 <+MrHairgrease> so it could be that not everything is taken care of
19:37 <+MrHairgrease> i'll check the svn logs
19:37 <+MrHairgrease> still that grouping being there is not correct i it?
19:37 <@Haarg> i think i changed something in addition to your patch that would have effected that
19:38 <+MrHairgrease> or do you actually have a gourp with gid=5
19:38 <+MrHairgrease> haarg: yes
19:38 <+MrHairgrease> i think so too =)
19:38 <@rizen> we don't have a group with an id of 5
19:38 <@rizen> and yes, that orphan should be cleaned up
19:39 <+MrHairgrease>  delete from groupGroupings where inGroup not in (select distinct groupId from groups);
19:39 <+MrHairgrease> that cleans it
19:40 <+MrHairgrease> and fixes my problem
19:41 <@rizen> you shouldn't even need the "distinct" clause in there
19:41 <+MrHairgrease> prolly not
19:42 <+MrHairgrease> just a habit
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22:31 < dj_perl> Hello preaction, where would I find some docs to get started developing an asset to connect with Photo Gallery?
22:32 <@preaction> uhm... an asset? i can give you a UML diagram, though currently subject to change. there's a meeting in 30 minutes with the dev team to lock down the API
22:33 < dj_perl> Well, where do I start developing? There has to be some documentation ( other than the UML diagram ).
22:34 <@rizen> dj_perl, you're going to need to set up your web services to just stand alone as dummies right now
22:34 < dj_perl> I'll be developing a server-side application, to which the iPhoto/Picasa plugin will talk? right?
22:34 <@preaction> like what? currently for documentaton we have the Functional Specification, the UML diagram, the ERD, and a workflow diagram
22:35 <@rizen> i've given you the data / method dictionary, the workflow diagram
22:35 <@rizen> i could also send you the functional spec
22:35 <@preaction> i don't think the funcspec would be of much use really, but the more info the better
22:35 <@rizen> but beyond that, there's nothing built yet. dev starts on it this week
22:35 < dj_perl> I was hoping for a copy of the primer.
22:35 <@rizen> the CM primer?
22:35 <@rizen> that's only for using webgui
22:35 < dj_perl> WebGUI primer
22:35 <@rizen> there's no dev docs there
22:36 <@rizen> the primer is for basic webgui usage
22:36 <@rizen> end user level stuff
22:36 <@preaction> your best bet for developer information is the community wiki
22:36 <@preaction> and the included perldoc
22:38 < dj_perl> ok, thanks.
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23:10 <+MrHairgrease> is it october 17th yet?
23:11 <@preaction> not yet
23:17 <@rizen> it needs to hurry up and get here
23:18 <+MrHairgrease> is it October 17 th yet?
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02:57 < cap10morgan> I'm probably going to be implementing a new concept into WebGUI for our requirements, but I want to see if there's some way to do it such that it would have a more generally useful application:
02:57 < cap10morgan> For our use, I need to be able to associate a "campaign" with every piece of content on the site
02:59 <@preaction> content profiling?
03:04 < cap10morgan> these campaigns come from an external source, and i want to label it w/ the name of the campaign but store the id of the thing
03:04 < cap10morgan> so i want to be able to define an external data source for it
03:04 < cap10morgan> and also make this property inheritable
03:05 < cap10morgan> so it's similar to a custom metadata field
03:05 < cap10morgan> but it needs the inheritance and external data source thing added in
03:05 < cap10morgan> the external thing could just be specifying a snippet that lists the options in some format
03:05 < cap10morgan> since that way you could do a web services client, an sql report, a macro, or whatever
03:06 < cap10morgan> preaction: content profiling == metadata, no?
03:07 <@preaction> yes
03:08 < cap10morgan> does that seem like it would be a generally useful thing?
03:08 < cap10morgan> or a ridiculous over-complication of metadata?
03:16 <@preaction> it sounds interesting, but i dont' know if it will be generally useful
03:16 <@preaction> i mean, most people don't even use the existing metadata / content-profiling system
03:20 <+snapcount> any network nerds present
03:20 <+snapcount> I'm rusty
03:21 <+snapcount> need someone to check me on something
03:22 <+snapcount> the subnet mask for 16 addresses would be 255.255.255.240 right?
03:25 <+snapcount> 2^(32-28) = 16 so 16 addresses... so the first 28 bits in the mask are 1
03:29 < nuba> yeah, 16 addresses, but the first is the network's, the last is the network's broadcast
03:29 <+snapcount> so 14
03:29 <+snapcount> usable
03:31 < nuba> yeah, well, youre using the other two too, in a way
03:31 <+snapcount> indeed
03:31 <+snapcount> thanks
03:31 < nuba> np
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16:57 <+MrHairgrease> hi
16:57 < ascii> hi
16:57 <@rizen> bye
16:58 <+MrHairgrease> does anybody know if it is possible to add a cs to an event in th ecalendar?
16:58 <+MrHairgrease> or at least provide a means for people to add something to that event?
16:58 <+MrHairgrease> like their name
16:59 <@rizen> can't be done currently
16:59 <@rizen> sounds like you want to do an evite sort of thing
16:59 <@rizen> is that correct?
16:59 <@rizen> comments and a yes/no/maybe i'm attending
16:59 <+MrHairgrease> what somebody at th ekoornbeurs wants is this
16:59 <+MrHairgrease> yeah
16:59 <+MrHairgrease> that
16:59 <+MrHairgrease> band X plays there at that time
17:00 <@rizen> that's on the todo list for calendar, but it doesn't exist yet
17:00 <+MrHairgrease> ok
17:00 <+MrHairgrease> maybe I'm willing to make that
17:00 <+MrHairgrease> is there already a spec?
17:01 <@rizen> evite.com
17:01 <@rizen> that's the functional spec
17:01 <@rizen> we don't have a technical spec for it yet
17:01 <+MrHairgrease> ok
17:02 <+MrHairgrease> we'll have a talk about it at the wuc then
17:02 <@rizen> okily dokily neighbor
17:02 <+MrHairgrease> I don't have time to spend on that before anyway
17:02 <+MrHairgrease> doh!
17:02 <@rizen> i'll buy you a beer at the great dane, and you can tell me about your problems
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17:15 < dionak> hey guys. i'm having a permission problem i'm trying to understand. we have a group created in WG and a sqlform that has permissions set that this group can edit, view and submit records. However, a user that isn't an admin and is part of that group is getting a blank form. no data is being populated. 
17:16 < dionak> i checked the template but there's no tmpl_if statement around the completeForm variable that would prevent population
17:16 < dionak> when i search, i get data b/c i'm an admin
17:19 <@rizen> no idea
17:19 <@rizen> describe the problem as best as you can in a bug report
17:19 <@rizen> we're hoping to clean up 100% of the bugs wre/pb.com/webgui by the wuc
17:20 <+MrHairgrease> dionak
17:20 < dionak> ok. i'll review the code a little first to see if i can find what the issue is. 
17:20 <+MrHairgrease> the group with edit rights should be all powerful
17:20 < dionak> that's what i was thinking...
17:21 <+MrHairgrease> the _canAlterTable and _canEditRecord in addition to canEdit and canView
17:21 <+MrHairgrease> are used to detrmine th eprivs
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17:21 <+MrHairgrease> both the private methods return true for sure if canEdit is true
17:21 <+MrHairgrease> did you commit the sqlform?
17:22 < dionak> yes. it's all committed
17:22 <+MrHairgrease> does flushing the cache help?
17:22 < dionak> let me try...
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17:23 < dionak> hm, no. same thing. 
17:24 < dionak> one of those methods must be returning false for some reason. 
17:25 <+MrHairgrease> what's going wrong
17:25 <+MrHairgrease> adding/editing records?
17:25 <+MrHairgrease> or the search?
17:25 < dionak> search
17:25 <+MrHairgrease> that should use canView
17:25 < dionak> the user doesn't have a reason to add/edit so we haven't tried that. 
17:25 <+MrHairgrease> which is fully inherited
17:25 <+MrHairgrease> stupid question maybe
17:26 <+MrHairgrease> is the user in the group?
17:26 < dionak> yes. does the group only need permission for the sqlform in question or is there a hierarchy i'm overlooking?
17:27 <+MrHairgrease> just the asset
17:27 <+MrHairgrease> it's weird though
17:27 <+MrHairgrease> www_search should return the insufficient privs if canView is false
17:27 <+MrHairgrease> but a blank screen is smething different
17:27 <+MrHairgrease> nothing in the webgui.log?
17:27 < dionak> oh, it's just a blank form
17:28 < dionak> not populated with data
17:28 < dionak> the screen has the template and everything as expected. just no data
17:28 <+MrHairgrease> oh
17:28 <+MrHairgrease> but you can search right?
17:29 < dionak> i can as my user. 
17:29 <+MrHairgrease> and you do get the right results
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17:29 < dionak> yes
17:29 <+MrHairgrease> it's just that whatever you typed in the search box disappears from that box after you've submitted the form
17:29 <+MrHairgrease> right?
17:31 < dionak> actually, it's a little more complex but i'm testing by pasting in the correct url for a record in the search results. like recordId=something;viewOnly=0 etc..
17:31 < dionak> i get data and the user doesn't. let me poke around a little more....
17:31 <+MrHairgrease> ok
17:32 < dionak> thanks for chiming in and trying to help. :)
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18:48 < dionak> ok. i found my issue. it wasn't a WG permission issue. 
18:48 < dionak> IE6 is dropping parameters on a meta refresh, which is why the form is blank. there's no recordId to return data form
18:48 < dionak> form = for
18:49 <@rizen> yikes
18:49 < dionak> yea...i'm going to create a quick test case to verify it's a "feature" and test on IE7
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18:55 < dionak> hm. on IE6 it keeps the params if I change the semi-colon param separator to &amp;
18:55 < dionak> can i use &amp; instead of semi-colons in WG?
18:56 <+MrHairgrease> when seperating form params in a post you can either use & or ;
18:56 <+MrHairgrease> i think the ampersand is being deprecated
18:57 < dionak> i think that might make a redirect with multiple params impossible to do in IE6.
18:58 < dionak> i would rather not see that happen. 
19:00 < dionak> on another note, has anyone used HTML::Template::Expr successfully? 
19:01 <@rizen> we aren't the ones deprecating the use of &
19:01 <@rizen> it's the W3C
19:02 < dionak> oh, really? i hadn't read that. 
19:02 < dionak> wow
19:02 <@rizen> WebGUI still supports both, and will continue to do so until the W3C says otherwise
19:02 < dionak> replacing it with what? 
19:02 <@rizen> ;
19:02 < dionak> ok, cool. thanks for clarifying
19:02 <@rizen> HTML::Template::Expr is used by my design staff all the time
19:02 <@rizen> they love it
19:03 < dionak> cool. we're trying to set it up. 
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19:04 <@rizen> just remember that with that all variable names that have a . are changed to use _
19:05 < dionak> ah, a very important detail! :)
19:08 < dionak> i'm hoping IE6 will die before W3C deprecates the &
19:08 < dionak> or just die a very sudden death. :)
19:09 <@rizen> i've read that as of XHTML2 HTML5 it will be deprecated
19:09 <@rizen> or rather removed
19:09 <@rizen> it's already deprecated
19:09 <@rizen> however, i'm guessing that most browsers will continue to support it for a very long time after that
19:11 < dionak> yes, that would make sense. it would break a lot of the internet sites otherwise. I read that part of the HTML5 projects values was to not break too far from convention so as to be backwards compatible. 
19:11 < dionak> i sometimes debate switching back to HTML4
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01:35 < xootom> is anyone familiar with the dashboard? in userProfileData I have three columns, guidcontentPositions, one of which is the guid of the dashboard on my site. Are the other two old deleted dashboards, that I can drop?
01:38 <@preaction> the dashboard's purge method didn't remove them for you?
01:41 < xootom> no but they might have been there since 7.3.20 ish
01:41 < xootom> could they be anything else or are they definitely old dashboards
01:45 < xootom> anyone know where the default dashboard layout is stored, is it the guest user's value for contentPositions?
01:48 < xootom> i think i've hit a limit in the way contentPositions are stored, as varchar 255 characters... that only holds 11 guids, my dashboard is now randomly hiding and positioning things :(
01:53 < MrHairgrease> that should be a text field
01:53 < MrHairgrease> you should file a bug report
01:53 < MrHairgrease> anyway
01:54 < MrHairgrease> time to go to bed
01:54 < MrHairgrease> see ya
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01:55 <@preaction> yes it should be a text field, and yes, currently the Visitor profile stores the default content positions for a dashboard
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02:09 < xootom> many thanks
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15:55 < SDuensin> Greetings.
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17:06 <@rizen> salutations
17:06 <@khenn> greeting
17:07 <@khenn> s
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18:25 <@rizen> bug --
19:28 <@rizen> bug--
19:28 <@rizen> bug--
19:30 < ascii> !
19:31 <@rizen> bang?
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19:34 < ascii> guess that could be appropriate for $bug--, but i use it for hello mostly
19:34 <@rizen> i c
19:34 <@rizen> well hello then
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21:50 <+MrHairgrease> snapcount!
21:50 <+MrHairgrease> you're back!
21:51 <+snapcount> yep
21:51 <+snapcount> I'm revived
21:51 <+MrHairgrease> what happened?
21:51 <+snapcount> I've been traveling far away lands searching for my true self
21:51 <+snapcount> =)
21:51 <+MrHairgrease> sure
21:51 < khenn_> did you find Buddah?
21:51 <+snapcount> lol
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21:51 <+snapcount> nope, not yet
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21:52 <+MrHairgrease> are you coming to the wuc too?
21:52 <+snapcount> no not this year... sold out too fast
21:52 <+snapcount> but that's awesome
21:52 <+MrHairgrease> too bad
21:52 <+MrHairgrease> yeah it is
21:52 <+snapcount> I should just fly up there and stalk the conference
21:53 <+snapcount> be "that guy"
21:53 <+snapcount> hehe
21:53 <+MrHairgrease> you should bring your raincoat
21:53 <+snapcount> I was just thinking that
21:53 <@Khenn> you'll be the guy in the "All your base are belong to us" shirt eh?
21:53 <+MrHairgrease> and a newspaper with a tiny peephole in it
21:53 <+MrHairgrease> hehe
21:53 <+snapcount> Khenn: yep
21:53 <+snapcount> or something even dorkier
21:55 <@rizen> bug --
21:55 <+snapcount> nice
21:55 <+MrHairgrease> where can i buy those?
21:56 <@rizen> thinkgeek.com
21:56 <@Khenn> http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/gaming/3777/
21:57 <@Khenn> rizen will be the one in this shirt: http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/frustrations/58f5/
21:57 <+MrHairgrease> khenn
21:58 <+MrHairgrease> stop giving me metal pictures
21:58 <+MrHairgrease> mental*
21:58 <@Khenn> I guess it is sort of close to bedtime for you
21:58 <@Khenn> sweet dreams =p
21:58 <+MrHairgrease> no
21:58 <+MrHairgrease> it's only 9pm
21:59 <+MrHairgrease> but the idea sticks
21:59  * MrHairgrease shudders
22:07 <@rizen> bug --
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22:21 <@rizen> bug --
22:30 <@Haarg> bug--
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15:42 < SDuensin> Greetings.
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17:50 <@rizen> bug--
17:52 < SDuensin> cheer++
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17:54 <@Haarg> bug--
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17:54 < apeiron> Greetings!
17:55 <@rizen> i rescind bug--
17:55 <@rizen> and replace it with 
17:55 <@rizen> $bug--;
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20:18 <@rizen> $bug--;
20:56 <@rizen> $bug--;
20:57 <@rizen> $graham->decrementBugs(4);
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23:26 <@rizen> $bug--;
23:26 <@preaction> woot
23:27 <@rizen> look at the bug list
23:27 <@preaction> plan tests += 50
23:27 <@rizen> almost clean
23:27 <@rizen> only 50?
23:27 <@preaction> in order to test the photo asset i need to test the file and image assets, i haven't even gotten to the gallery/album yet
23:28 <@rizen> oh
23:28 <@rizen> nice
23:29 <@preaction> and it'll be slow going until i figure out an easy way to test the processPropertiesFromFormPost method, i don't know if Colin perfected his apr mockobject to work with uploads
23:29 <@preaction> but we're almost there
23:29 <@preaction> wait, you fixed the collab system date thing?
23:30 < ckotil> I think i found a bug in how the sql report asset is handled by the nav asset. it seems to be treated like a page layout asset and an article asset at the same time.
23:31 <@preaction> uhm? nearly all assets can have children
23:31 <@preaction> there are some exceptions with assets that don't make sense outside of certain containers, like Posts, Threads, and Events
23:31 < ckotil> yah, it might be my custom nav template... still verifying.
23:32 <@preaction> admittedly the nav asset doesn't get nearly enough information about the assets, but to do so would slow down an already slow operation
23:33 < ckotil> right,  i understand that.
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05:05 <@Haarg> been fixed
05:05 <@Haarg> for 7.4.9
05:05 < danny_mk> ok
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19:03 < xootom> http://www.webgui.org/wg/contribute is broken at the mo
19:03 <+MrHairgrease> here too
19:03 <+MrHairgrease> just a blank page
19:04 <@rizen> i can see it
19:04 <@rizen> what browser are you looking in?
19:04 < xootom> cached?
19:04 < xootom> firefox 2.0.0.6 ubuntu
19:04 <+MrHairgrease> ff 2.0.0.6/lnux
19:04 <@rizen> just refreshed the page
19:05 <@rizen> still works
19:05 <@rizen> trying firefox now
19:05 < xootom> literally blank here
19:05 <+MrHairgrease> cleared my browser cache
19:05 <+MrHairgrease> didn't help
19:05 <@rizen> i get that in firefox too
19:05 <@rizen> i'll look into it
19:06 <@rizen> it works in safari
19:06 <@rizen> checking ie
19:06 <+MrHairgrease> konqueror fails too
19:07 <@rizen> i see the difference now
19:07 <@rizen> has nothing to do with browser
19:07 <@rizen> but whether you are logged in
19:07 <@rizen> or perhaps privs
19:07 <@rizen> on a browser where i'm not logged in i get the white page
19:07 <@rizen> but when i'm logged in it works
19:07 < xootom> yep same here
19:08 <+MrHairgrease> wget http://webgui.org/wg/contribute
19:08 <+MrHairgrease> get an empty file
19:10 <+MrHairgrease> logging in works for me too
19:10 <+MrHairgrease> but the poll is missing
19:10 <+MrHairgrease> maybe that has something to do with it?
19:11 < xootom> i guess the server logs will show the prob
19:12 <@rizen> on phone, will look when i can
19:27 <@rizen> there appears to be a problem drawing the graph
19:27 <@rizen> with graphics magic vs image magick
19:27 <@rizen> http://www.webgui.org/uploads/temp/ng/ngKG_meCXVmarTeXFYM_nw/poll_bUgyoMZc8E6irc3zZZ97Q.png
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19:37 <@rizen> fixed for now by switching back to text graph
19:37 <@rizen> reported a bug which graham and i will work on this week
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22:52 <@preaction> 7 days until the WUC!!!!!1111eleven
22:57 <@rizen> wahooO!!!!!
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23:31 <+MrHairgrease> even better
23:31 <+MrHairgrease> only 6 days till the Dutch invade!
23:32 <@rizen> we've already outfitted all the roads and airports with land mines and artillery
23:32 <+MrHairgrease> that won't help
23:32 <+MrHairgrease> we can walk over water =)
23:32 <@preaction> won't somebody please think of the children?
23:32 <+MrHairgrease> we walk over children too
23:33 <@rizen> i guess we'll need some sea mines, and robotic sentry drones
23:33 <@preaction> don't we have an extradition treaty with Dutchland or whatever?
23:34 <+MrHairgrease> I think we have unfortunately
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23:35 <@preaction> so you'll be on your BEST BEHAVIOR?
23:35 <@preaction> that's boring...
23:35 <@rizen> martin, i'm sick of preparing for the WUC at this point. can't you just come a week early and we'll get it kicked off?
23:36 <+MrHairgrease> no
23:36 <+MrHairgrease> I already have stuff planned for the weekend
23:36 <+MrHairgrease> also
23:37 <+MrHairgrease> a wuc of a week and a half is a bit much
23:37 <@khenn> If you thought it was cheap to drink in Las Vegas, wait till you go out drinking in Madison
23:37 <@khenn> you will not want to go home
23:38 <@khenn> a week and a half may not be enough =p
23:38 <@preaction> <3 wisconsin
23:38 <+MrHairgrease> ok frank
23:38 <@khenn> Wisconsin has to be nearly the cheapest place in the world to drink
23:38 <+MrHairgrease> you're on
23:39 <+MrHairgrease> i'll buy you some drinks
23:39 <@preaction> drinking contest between martin and frank?
23:39 <+MrHairgrease> pb owes me money anyway 
23:39 <@preaction> i will PAY to see this
23:39 <+MrHairgrease> who's talking about contests
23:39 <@preaction> aww...
23:39 <@khenn> I'm not competing against Martin
23:39 <@khenn> are you kidding?
23:39 <@khenn> I tried that in vegas 2 years ago
23:39 <+MrHairgrease> were you competing?
23:40 <@khenn> no
23:40 <@khenn> but I tried to keep up =p
23:40 <+MrHairgrease> I can clearly remember you said 'I'm gonna drink with the dutch guys tonight'
23:40 <+MrHairgrease> and you did well
23:40 <@khenn> I didn't do so well the next morning
23:40 <+MrHairgrease> oh
23:41 <+MrHairgrease> heh
23:41 <@preaction> American puritanism makes us soft :(
23:41 <+MrHairgrease> yeah I remember that
23:41 <@khenn> and Tavis has footage of me that is youtube material
23:41 <+MrHairgrease> more specificly
23:41 <+MrHairgrease> i clearly remember not seeying you at all
23:41 <+MrHairgrease> =)
23:41 <+MrHairgrease> so put it on youtube
23:41 <@rizen> i think len doesn't love us anymore
23:42 <+MrHairgrease> I'll be able to use it in my acme presentation
23:42 <+MrHairgrease> actually
23:42 <+MrHairgrease> len still loves you
23:42 <+MrHairgrease> but he's really busy doing parent stuff
23:43 <+MrHairgrease> i talked to him a couple of days ago
23:43 <+MrHairgrease> and he wanted to come to the wuc
23:43 <+MrHairgrease> but alas
23:43 <+MrHairgrease> no time
23:45 <@rizen> damn the parenting
23:45 <@rizen> i miss len
23:46 <+MrHairgrease> so do I
23:57 <@rizen> i want to build up the wisconsin team
23:58 <@rizen> so i think i might turn off all the mines, artillery, and robots until after you're here
23:58 <@rizen> then i can populate the wisconsin team with the former dutch team
23:58 <@rizen> =)
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00:09 <+MrHairgrease> language question
00:09 <+MrHairgrease> i we are talking about my beer
00:09 <+MrHairgrease> should i write
00:09 <+MrHairgrease> martins beer
00:09 <+MrHairgrease> or martins' beer?
00:09 <@khenn> martin's beer
00:10 <+MrHairgrease> ok thanks
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00:24 <@preaction> is there a reason why this channel is +s (secret). it means we won't show up on a /list of channels.
00:24 <@rizen> nope
00:25 <@preaction> k
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00:26 <+MrHairgrease> hahahaha
00:27 <+MrHairgrease> #perl has 567 users
00:27 <+MrHairgrease> #python only a puny 502
00:28 <@preaction> check out ##Php :( and #ubuntu
00:29 <+MrHairgrease> well channel that need two hashes must uck
00:29 <+MrHairgrease> suck*
00:29 <+MrHairgrease> and what's wrong with ubuntu?
00:30 <@preaction> it's a freenode guideline, "official" project channels get one hash, "unofficial" or "about" channels get two. perl and python should have two
00:30 <@preaction> it's just huge
00:30 <@preaction> 1200 people, on release day i imagine it will grow to twice that
00:31 <+MrHairgrease> all 2400 people using ubuntu =)
00:31 <+MrHairgrease> minus one
00:31 <+MrHairgrease> b/c I don't use that channel
00:31 <+MrHairgrease> still php has only 40 user more than perl
00:32 <@preaction> huh, perl's closed the gap a bit
00:32 <+MrHairgrease> considreing all that php code that barfed around the net
00:32 <@preaction> but then the community in ##php is toxic (and that's an understatement)
00:32 <+MrHairgrease> oh really
00:32 <+MrHairgrease> let's try out that channel then
00:33 <+MrHairgrease> #perl suck anyway
00:33 <+MrHairgrease> noone uses the nick larrywall
00:34 <@preaction> merlyn (Randall L Schwartz) used to hang out in #perl for a while, but he's rather abrasive and I think the chanops finally asked him to leave
00:34 <+MrHairgrease> i guess you're right about php
00:34 <+MrHairgrease> (11:33:36 PM) Alloos2: hi, how do I take specific letters from string, example I want to take the first 6 letters in this string: thisisfoo
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00:35 <+larrywall> kneel before me
00:35 <+larrywall> for I have the nick!
00:35 <+larrywall> muhahahahah
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00:36 <+MrHairgrease> wow
00:36 <+MrHairgrease> that felt blasphemous
00:37 <@preaction> 40 Hail Larrys and 10 lashes with a Llama book
00:37 <+MrHairgrease> hmmmm, llama
00:38 <+MrHairgrease> if we can keep up this level of maturity the wuc is bound to be unforgettable
00:38 <+MrHairgrease> for better or worse
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01:18 <@apeiron> yay
01:23 <@khenn> yay?
01:23 <@khenn> oh
01:23 <@khenn> ops
01:23 <@preaction> yay!
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05:00 <+crythia1> hrm
05:01 <+crythia1> anyone play java risk?
05:01 <@preaction> risk? in java?
05:01 <@preaction> ooooOOOOoooh
05:01 <+crythia1> yeah
05:01 <+crythia1> http://jrisk.sourceforge.net/download.shtml
05:01 <+crythia1> best irsk ever
05:02 <+crythia1> risk, even
05:02 <@preaction> like, online and stuffs?
05:02 <+crythia1> yeah multiplayer internet
05:02 <+crythia1> or seat shufle
05:02 <@preaction> accurate to the board game at least?
05:02 <+crythia1> yes.
05:03 <@preaction> i think that this company is going to hate you for the days of lost productivity you're about to inflict on me
05:03 <@preaction> but AWESOME
05:03 <@preaction> always, always, always take Austrailia first
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05:03 <@preaction> the extra two armies per turn quickly adds up to an unstoppable killing force!
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05:04 <+crythia1> yeah but when you hold africa or NA, it's more fun.
05:04 <+crythia1> well, I'm hosting a game right now
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05:04 <@preaction> the idea is to make a stronghold, since there's only one way into australia (through Laos)
05:05 <+crythia1> trying to get more than just the one other guy I play against.
05:06 <@preaction> not a lobby-type game?
05:06 <@preaction> give me a minute to download/install
05:06 <+crythia1> unfortunately, it doesn't have a good lobby.
05:06 <+crythia1> don't use the installer if not using Windows
05:07 <@preaction> crap
05:07 <+crythia1> well, it might work, then again...
05:07 <@apeiron> If it's "100% Pure Java", It Should [tm]
05:07 <@preaction> well i'll get both and see
05:08 <@preaction> i might have to break out my java *cough* skills *cough*
05:09 <+crythia1> we play mission.
05:09 <+crythia1> most of the time.
05:11 <@preaction> installer worked okay, what's the server?
05:12 <+crythia1> crap. it seems I have only a limited number of players.
05:12 <+crythia1> if it were, it'd be www.gwy2.org
05:14 <@khenn> preaction, you have no Java skills =p
05:14 <@preaction> liar! i've written complex game-management software in java
05:14 <+crythia1> you have to wait until all joins before choosing character. please wait until I set it up and everyone connects
05:14 <@preaction> wtf, this thing is weird
05:14 <@preaction> k
05:15 <+crythia1> connect
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05:16 <@preaction> k
05:16 <+crythia1> now we choose
05:17 <@preaction> the pink empire will rule you all!
05:17 <+crythia1> mission?
05:18 <@preaction> i dunno what that means
05:18 <+crythia1> you get a secret --- kill a player, conquer two countries, etc.
05:18 <@preaction> i've only ever played Domination (the old risk)
05:18 <+crythia1> it's faster
05:18 <@preaction> ahh
05:18 <@preaction> sure
05:18 <+crythia1> but apparently, we'll do domination. world conquest
05:18 <@preaction> k
05:19 <+crythia1> I did autoplace, so it speeds things up a bit
05:19 <@preaction> wtf, autoplace gay
05:26 <@preaction> that's the damn AI? crap
05:27 <+crythia1> who?
05:27 <@preaction> dark blue
05:27 <@preaction> who took australia
05:27 <+crythia1> yeah
05:27 <@preaction> and who i now have to defend Siam against
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05:37 <@preaction> unf, asia is MINE
05:38 <@preaction> ... but not for long
05:39 <@preaction> omg yes +7 armies!
05:41 <@preaction> omg
05:41 <+crythia1> yeah
05:42 <+crythia1> guess I'm out. :)
05:42 <@preaction> that jerk
05:42 <@preaction> i'll take most of America next turn probably
05:42 <@preaction> he killed you and basically comitted suicide
05:43 <@preaction> what remains to be seen is how far blue pushes him
05:43 <@preaction> omfg
05:44  * snapcount grabs some popcorn
05:44 <+snapcount> far more interesting than the "bachelor" crap Keri has on TV
05:44 <@preaction> the blue ai just trashed asia
05:44 <+crythia1> yeah... and Europe
05:45 <+crythia1> interesting choice.
05:46 <@preaction> oh come on, he had an easier time taking out Siam with 15 armies... i try to take one with 1 army against my 5 and he kills them all
05:46 <@preaction> CHEAT 
05:47 <+crythia1> it's pretty fair dice rolls.
05:47 <@preaction> CHEAT i say
05:48 <@preaction> black isn't smart at this game are they?
05:48 <@preaction> not one country with more than 1 army
05:49 <+crythia1> meh. it's tough and sometimes you just have to conquer territory to prevent large next load
05:49 <@preaction> just for them to have to leave a conquering army?
05:50 <+crythia1> meh... 
05:50 <+crythia1> it was a bad spread
05:50 <@preaction> and germany defends itself against a wildly superior force
05:50 <+crythia1> and cyan kicked butt in real time.
05:50 <@preaction>  but not twice :(
05:50 <@preaction> surprised cyan hasn't moved against middle east yet
05:51 <@preaction> no. blue is doing it
05:51 <+crythia1> me, too
05:51 <@preaction> where the fuck is blue getting all these armies?
05:51 <@preaction> 14 per turn?
05:51 <+crythia1> cards
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05:51 <@preaction> there's no way, he got like 14 last turn too for turning in cards
05:51 <+crythia1> mebbe he had 5, forced to discard, got a set
05:54 <@preaction> aw hell
05:54 <+crythia1> heh
05:54 <+crythia1> fate is a fickle mistress
05:55 <@preaction> go japan!
05:55 <@preaction> WOOOT
05:55 <@preaction> aw
05:55 <+crythia1> no kidding
05:55 <@preaction> taking out 5 not bad
05:55 <@preaction> HA go China!
05:55 <@preaction> aw
05:56 <@preaction> lot better than i thought
05:56 <+Radix_> leave australia alone! :)
05:56 <@preaction> hell no, it WILL be mine
05:56 <@preaction> that damned AI had better let me have it
05:56 <+Radix_> heh
05:57 <@preaction> it's hard as hell to conquer, i've wasted like 10 armies already trying to get at a continent worth of 1-army countries...
05:57 <@preaction> he rolls natural 6's like a bitch
05:57 <+crythia1> ooh. dum ai
05:57 <@preaction> oh... god.. YES
05:57 <+crythia1> increasing cards. loverly.
05:58 <@preaction> MINE
05:59 <@preaction> now to take out Cyan's africa +3, no more of that jazz. or maybe i'll sweep through asia again
05:59 <+crythia1> too late to hold australia this late in the game.
06:00 <+crythia1> and you can bet nobody's going to help you by killing siam
06:00 <@preaction> i don't want it killed, i has plan
06:00 <@apeiron> does it has a flavour?
06:00 <@preaction> put my new armies on siam, kill india, move indonesia to siam, next turn put new armies on india and start two-pronged (maybe three-) sweep of asia
06:00 <+crythia1> I'm in UR AUS, making dah 2sies.
06:01 <@preaction> no, i've fallen into that inevitable evil genius trap: NEVER explain the plan before it's executed...
06:02 <@preaction> it must be because i've substituted chocolate-covered coffee beans for supper
06:02 <@preaction> cyan should take SA and get it over with. then try to stomp europe and start clashing for asia
06:03 <@preaction> that AI in america has got some fortifications...
06:03 <+crythia1> unfortunately, it appears that disconnected
06:03 <+crythia1> sully
06:04 <+crythia1> crap crap crap
06:04 <@preaction> no graceful handling of that?
06:05 <+crythia1> apparently, not. between movies, ai takes
06:05 <+crythia1> movies: moves
06:06 <@preaction> as the game creator, do you have additional powers?
06:06 <+crythia1> not really.
06:06 <+crythia1> can't /kick
06:07 <@preaction> yeah, that'd be a nice feature, kick the user and replace them with an AI of your choosing
06:07 <@preaction> plus chat. plus a pinging thread to make sure everyone's still there
06:07 <+crythia1> yeah, well, generally it's ok. but this happens rarely.
06:08 <+crythia1> I'll stop it, but I'm tired.
06:08 <+crythia1> perhaps another time.
06:08 <@preaction> indeed
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06:08 <@preaction> i would've won anyway
06:08 <+crythia1> hee
06:08 <@preaction> i suppose back to the photo gallery for a bit
06:09 <@preaction> maybe this weekend i'll take a look at this game. the sync problems with creating a network game is almost inexcusable
06:09 <@preaction> and the not having hosting controls is just as bad
06:10 <@preaction> looks like it's relatively active, so i might have to ask the developer before i just jump in
06:10 <+crythia1> well, there you are :)
06:11 <@preaction> wait, maybe not. 1.0.8.9 was released in January
06:11 <+crythia1> gnite
06:11 <@preaction> nite
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16:41 < SDuensin> Greetings
16:41 <@khenn> morning
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17:07 < AMH_mari> Hi all; has anyone tried upgrading the YUI-library that WebGUI uses to the latest version (i.e. 2.3.1)? We would like to use the color picker beta that's in the latest version.
17:08 < AMH_mari> But we're a bit worried that WebGUI's functioning is affected...
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17:58 <@khenn> What version of WebGUI are you using?
18:09 < AMH_mari> 7.4.8
18:09 < AMH_mari> Alas, I have to catch my bus home now...
18:10 < AMH_mari> I'll revisit this channel tomorrow and retry the question. @khenn: thanks.
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23:01 < sno> How do I get a HTML::TemplateExpr instance in an object?
23:02 <+MrHairgrease> you mean how you can set templates to use html::tmplate::expr?
23:02 < sno> Yes, when both are available, but the default is not Expr
23:02 <+MrHairgrease> you should set that in the template
23:02 <+MrHairgrease> I think it's under the properties tab
23:07 < sno> Yeah, it is set at the template properties level.  I see that now.  Thanks.
23:08 < sno> I guess I want it to be established on upgrade, so I'll have to update the instance after template import.
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00:15 <+MrHairgrease> woohoo
00:15 <+MrHairgrease> I have a concept webgui macro parser in parse::recdescent!!!
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01:00 <+MrHairgrease> any regex guru's in the house?
01:01 <+MrHairgrease> how can I not match a sequence of chracters
01:01 <+MrHairgrease> say
01:01 <+MrHairgrease> I want not to match );
01:01 <+MrHairgrease> how do I do that
01:01 <@rizen> all you have to do is: m/.*/
01:01 <@rizen> that will match all your characters
01:01 <@rizen> =)
01:01 <+MrHairgrease> that I know
01:02 <+MrHairgrease> but I don't want that
01:02 <@rizen> m/![\);]/
01:02 <@rizen> don't know if that would work or not, but it's my first guess
01:03 <+MrHairgrease> I also tried the (?!...) syntax
01:03 <+MrHairgrease> but I'm to dumb to use the (?...) stuff
01:18 <@preaction> why not $m !~ /.../
01:18 <@preaction> perlbot perlre
01:18 < perlbot> Perl regular expressions - http://perldoc.perl.org/perlre.html
01:18 <+MrHairgrease> cannot do that
01:18 <@preaction> or did you need one of the zero-width lookahead/lookbehind assertions so as to not consume parts of the match string?
01:19 <+MrHairgrease> i want to match anything up to 0:
01:19 <+MrHairgrease> );
01:19 <+MrHairgrease> noy 0;
01:19 <+MrHairgrease> not*
01:19 <@apeiron> perl -le '$_ = "foobar"; /foo(?!bar)/ and print "hm\n"; $_ = "foobaz"; /foo(?!bar)/ and print'
01:19 <@preaction> so it's a choice of a single character?
01:20 <+MrHairgrease> what do you mean with that
01:22 <@preaction> so you're matching up to but not including ');'
01:22 <@preaction> like the macro parser?
01:22 <+MrHairgrease> yes
01:23 <@preaction> then what apeiron pasted will work
01:23 <+MrHairgrease> parse::recdescent is not reeally suited for parsing argument lists
01:23 <+MrHairgrease> ok
01:23 <+MrHairgrease> then I must've been screwing up
01:23 <@preaction> it was about 1000x faster when doing nested macros, but i tested against the original (current) algorithm
01:23 <+MrHairgrease> I'll try some more
01:24 <@preaction> against normal macros, however, it was considerably slower
01:24 <+MrHairgrease> what was?
01:24 <@preaction> a PRD gramma
01:24 <@preaction> grammer
01:24 <@preaction> whatever that word is...
01:24 <+MrHairgrease> I'm just messing around
01:25 <+MrHairgrease> I have no idea if it'll be faster
01:25 <@preaction> you're writing a PRD grammar? it's fun and educational, there are some powerful things you can do with them ;)
01:26 <+MrHairgrease> I'm just trying to implement the webgui macro parser in parse::recdescent
01:26 <+MrHairgrease> it's a top down parser thingy
01:26 <+MrHairgrease> if I understod correctly
01:27 <@preaction> yeah, i wrote one back when someone (i think you) posted a particularly nasty bit of code that basically DoSed WebGUI because of the macro parser
01:27 <+MrHairgrease> yeah
01:27 <+MrHairgrease> that was i
01:27 <+MrHairgrease> I found the bug when making the acme presentation
01:28 <@preaction> it was fun to do, but i understand that Haarg came up with a more efficient regex, and I think someone else came up with one too
01:28 <+MrHairgrease> so I guess the acme stuff is good for something after all
01:28 <@preaction> indeed
01:28 <+MrHairgrease> as I said
01:28 <@preaction> but if P::RD ever becomes more efficient like the docs say it can/should, you never know
01:28 <+MrHairgrease> I'm only doing this b/c it's possible
01:28 <@preaction> i know, it's fun to learn
01:29 <@preaction> don't tell JT that i learned HTML::Mason in my spare time a few weeks back ;)
01:29 <@rizen> you told me that yourself moron
01:29 <@preaction> ruined the joke...
01:29 <@rizen> there's no joke, it's just sad
01:29 <@preaction> no sense of comedy...
01:30 <@preaction> gotta learn how the competition does things
01:31 <+MrHairgrease> mason is some sort of a include perl in html thing right?
01:31 <@rizen> in that case teach yourself ruby on rails or Zope
01:31 <@rizen> that's the competition
01:31 <@preaction> it's kinda like embperl, yes
01:31 <@rizen> not mason
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01:31 <@preaction> you mean, use something OTHER than Perl for web development?
01:31 < SDuensin> Good evening.
01:32 <@preaction> that just sounds so wrong
01:32 <@rizen> i'm saying if you want to learn about the competion
01:32 <@rizen> competition
01:32 <@rizen> i'm not suggesting that you should actually use it
01:32  * MrHairgrease cancels his RoR download
01:33 <@preaction> zope is python, no?
01:33 <@rizen> yup
01:36 <@rizen> preaction: i think we should assign apeiron a topic to talk about at the wuc, what do you think?
01:36 <+MrHairgrease> apeiron is a new PB employee?
01:36 <@preaction> the more the merrier
01:36 <@apeiron> MrHairgrease, Indeed.
01:36 <@preaction> NOW somebody tells me...
01:36 <@khenn> I think he should take over your workflow class, rizen
01:37 <@rizen> i think his topic should be converting plone, mambo, and typo3 data to WebGUI
01:37 <@khenn> ew
01:37  * SDuensin votes for Drupal
01:37 < SDuensin> :-P
01:38  * apeiron says goodbye to sleep for the rest of the week.
01:38 <@rizen> SD, sorry to say that apeiron is just learning webgui himself this week, so it isn't going to happen
01:38 <@rizen> i just wanted to give him a quick heart attack
01:39 < SDuensin> :-)
01:40 <+MrHairgrease> rizen must be nominated Employer of the Year without doubt
01:40 <@preaction> he's like a second father
01:41 <+MrHairgrease> the second father you never had =)
01:41 <@rizen> a drunk abusive father
01:41 < SDuensin> hehe
01:41 <@apeiron> "Time to learn to swim, son." [father tosses son into river]
01:41 <@preaction> apparently God didn't think my first one screwed me up enough :p
01:42 <@preaction> "Don't be a wussy!"
01:43 <@rizen> "Stop sucking."
01:45 <@rizen> i've never been accused of being a mentor
01:45 <+MrHairgrease> did you say mental?
01:45 <@rizen> nope, mentor
01:45 <@apeiron> I think all Perl programmers have a prereq of 'mental'. :)
01:46 <@rizen> i've definitely been accused of being mental
01:46 <+MrHairgrease> mine are laziness, impatience and hubris
01:46 <+MrHairgrease> but I consider those virtues
01:53 <@rizen> my least favorite thing about preparing for the wuc is burning all the cds with all the presentations on them
01:54 <+MrHairgrease> so hire extra poeple
01:54 <@rizen> for an hour?
01:54 <@rizen> to burn cds?
01:54 <@rizen> yeah, that would work
01:55 <@rizen> martin, could I hire you for $100,000 per year
01:55 <@rizen> except, that i'm only going to keep you on staff for an afternoon
01:56 <+MrHairgrease> I'll give you $100 if I break 5 eggs on your head
01:56 <@rizen> then you break only 4 on my head
01:56 <@rizen> and you don't have to pay me $100
01:56 <+MrHairgrease> same kind of deal
01:57 <@rizen> the best trick is this one
01:57 <@rizen> you see someone order an expensive drink in a bar
01:57 <@rizen> then you go up to them
01:57 <+MrHairgrease> yeah 
01:57 <+MrHairgrease> i know that one too
01:58 <@rizen> and say i bet you a buck i can drink that drink without touching the glass
01:58 <@rizen> hehe
01:58 <+MrHairgrease> oh
01:58 <+MrHairgrease> my
01:58 <+MrHairgrease> a dollar a drink
01:58 <+MrHairgrease> hehe
02:00 <@rizen> i officially need a new computer
02:01 <@rizen> mine is so slow it won't run my keynote presentation without skipping about 50% of the frames
02:02 <@rizen> apeiron, i'm taking your computer...you can have my old crappy one
02:02 <@rizen> =)
02:02 <@apeiron> :(
02:02 <@apeiron> Ah, well, 's better than nothing, I suppose, eh?
02:03 <@rizen> i'm just kidding
02:03  * apeiron nods, knows.
02:03 <@rizen> i'll buy my own, but i probably will borrow your new laptop to run my presentation
02:03 <@apeiron> hmm. Whose shall I swipe, then?
02:04 <@rizen> it's only for an hour
02:04 <@rizen> you can do without for an hour
02:04 <@apeiron> Was planning on bringing a paper notebook either way.
02:04 <@rizen> i don't think anyone takes notes during my keynote
02:05 <@rizen> it's more like a pep rally
02:05 <@apeiron> Ahh.
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02:22 <+MrHairgrease> http://www.justsayhi.com/bb/keyboard
02:28 <@preaction> i could've swore the original 6th printing of the D&D rules (1976) didn't have holes for a three-ring binder in them... charging highway robbery...
02:30 <@rizen> 1,796,000 germs
02:30 <+MrHairgrease> I have 2.1 million
02:31 <@rizen> you are a dirty girl
02:31 <+MrHairgrease> does that please you?
02:31 <@rizen> hells yes
02:32 <@rizen> btw...do you want your prize money in a crisp clean check
02:32 <@rizen> or cold hard cash
02:32 <+MrHairgrease> cold  hard cash
02:33 <+MrHairgrease> the idea is that I spend most of it when I'm in the us
02:33 <@rizen> i figured
02:33 <+MrHairgrease> dollars not worth a lot in euros
02:33 <@rizen> but now that i know your preference, i'll be sure to do the opposite
02:33 <@rizen> yeah yeah
02:33 <@rizen> i hate our fucking government
02:34 <@rizen> the dollar used to be the second strongest currency in the world
02:34 <@rizen> amazing what 6 years or so can do
02:34 <+MrHairgrease> it is
02:34 <+MrHairgrease> the us used to be expensive when we still had guilders
02:34 <+MrHairgrease> but i'm not complaining
02:34 <@rizen> i bet
02:35 <+MrHairgrease> people who export to th eis do
02:35 <+MrHairgrease> the us*
02:35 <+MrHairgrease> quite understandably
02:38 <+MrHairgrease> anyway
02:38 <+MrHairgrease> i'm gonna sleep
02:38 <+MrHairgrease> bye
02:38 <@rizen> later
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02:38 <@preaction> 2.3 million? how did i beat you two?
02:39 <@apeiron> preaction, You're a disgusting pig.
02:40 <@preaction> b-b-b-but i had all those operations...
02:40 <@rizen> apeiron,02:41 <+snapcount> damn, I'm a farking hobo
02:41 <+snapcount> 4,040,000
02:41 <@apeiron> !
02:42  * snapcount runs to the shower, laptop in hand
02:42 <+snapcount> I think it was the "being around sick people" that did me in
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02:42 <@preaction> just be sure to unplug it, battery won't kill you, make you stronger
02:42 <+snapcount> lol
02:43 <+snapcount> 4,044,600 it was actually
02:43 <+snapcount> 809 toilet seats... oh yeah
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07:36 <+Radix_> 2,561,580 germs
07:37 <@rizen> how long would it take a grasshopper with a wooden leg to kick all of the seeds out of a dill pickle
07:39 <@rizen> that's pretty germy
07:46 <+Radix_> it didn't ask me how old the keyboard was though
07:47 <@rizen> should that matter?
07:47 <@rizen> isn't it more a matter of how often you clean it
07:47 <@rizen> than how old it is
07:48 <+Radix_> Ahh.. but if you never clean it..
07:49 <@rizen> that i suppose is true
07:49 <@rizen> but are there people that never clean their keyboard, ever?
07:49  * Radix_ whistles innocently.
07:50 <@rizen> i admittedly only clean mine once or twice per year, but .....holy crap
07:50 <@rizen> you've got to be kidding me
07:50 <@rizen> really? never?
07:50 <+Radix_> I wipe mine with a tissue occasionally to clean the dust off it
07:50 <+Radix_> I actually just bought a new one to replace this thing as it's so old and is starting to look grimy.
07:51 <@preaction> once in a while i'll take my glasses cleaner (ammonia-free) and wipe down the buttons a bit. but it's rarely powered-off long enough to clean
07:51 <+Radix_> same
07:51 <@rizen> when i clean mine i either use alcohol or clorox bleach and q-tips
07:51 <+Radix_> in that mine is rarely powered off long enough to clean
07:52 <@preaction> i've had to toss a couple old ones in the sink with some soap before, but can't really do that with the lappy
07:53 <@rizen> you can toss your laptop into the sink if you want
07:53 <@rizen> but i won't be buying you a new one
07:53 <@rizen> =)
07:53 <@preaction> not for another two years at least
07:55 <@rizen> the woods are lovely dark and deep
07:55 <+Radix_> I don't use the keyboard on my lappy.. I use a usb one with the laptop raised up
07:56 <@preaction> i seen one of thems once, they work nice?
07:57 <+Radix_> I don't think of them as germs so much as allies in the case of alien attack.
07:57 <+Radix_> work great
07:58 <+Radix_> I have a usb keyboard and mouse.. and the elevated laptop means that the screen is at the proper height
07:58 <@rizen> oh yeah, well i have a street
07:58 <@rizen> so take that
07:58 <+Radix_> ?
07:58 <@rizen> for the past 2 months i have not had a street
07:58 <@rizen> it's been under construction
07:58 <@preaction> they finished the thing in two days?
07:58 <+Radix_> heh
07:59 <@rizen> not two days
07:59 <@rizen> 2 months
07:59 <+Radix_> Always handy if you want to leave your house I guess
07:59 <@rizen> they paved it in 2 days
07:59 <@preaction> they started paving yesterday, it took them like 2 days to rip it up, 2 days to pave, and 56 days of sitting on rump
07:59 <@rizen> but they should have been able to do that in one day
08:00 <@rizen> technically i suppose it's not done, cuz they still have the roadblock signs up
08:00 <@rizen> but i can't imagine what else they have to do
08:00 <@rizen> it looks finished to me
08:00 <@preaction> sit on rump for another 56 days?
08:00 <@preaction> gotta get paid somehow
08:00 <@rizen> if they aren't gone tomorrow, i'm throwing them down
08:00 <@preaction> JT: Civic Hero!
08:01 <@rizen> you don't realize how much you need a street until you don't have one for a couple of months
08:01 <@preaction> i would pay to see you in a Superman costume in front of a gently-waving american flag
08:01 <@preaction> or even a big wG on your chest
08:01 <@preaction> with a cape
08:01 <+Radix_> lol
08:01 <@rizen> um, yeah. that's never going to happen
08:02 <@preaction> so i'd be paying with my life i take it?
08:02 <@rizen> didn't you watch the incredibles? capes are out
08:02 <+Radix_> I'll leave you two in peace with that image I think
08:02 <@preaction> oh, snap. no cape then
08:02 <@rizen> r u going somewhere radix?
08:03 <+Radix_> not really no
08:03 <+Radix_> sick as a dog atm
08:03 <@rizen> we're all very upset that you won't be at the wuc this year
08:03 <+Radix_> I'm sure.. heh
08:03 <@preaction> extremely... upset...
08:04 <+Radix_> not far away now I guess is it
08:04 <@preaction> 5 days
08:04 <@preaction> 8 hours
08:04 <@preaction> 26 minutes
08:04 <@preaction> approximately
08:05 <@preaction> perlbot math 5 * 24 + 8)
08:05 < perlbot> Bad Expression: syntax error
08:05 <+Radix_> drop the )
08:05 <@preaction> perlbot math (5 * 24 + 8) * 60 + 26
08:05 < perlbot> 7706
08:05 <@preaction> minutes! that's like forever
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11:50 < AMH_mari> Hi all. Has anyone tried to upgrade the YUI-library that WebGUI uses to the latest version (2.3.1)? We would like to use the ColorPicker in the new version but are a bit worried that WebGUI's functionality is affected because of the upgrade. Any thoughts anyone? There do not seem to be a lot of changes between the versions and at first sight WebGUI (7.4.8) is functioning normally. Are there problems to expect? What to check to verify WebGUI's f
11:52 <+MrHairgrease> I once copied a newer yui over the one delivered with webgui
11:52 <+MrHairgrease> that worked
11:52 <+MrHairgrease> dunno which version it was anymore
11:52 <+MrHairgrease> your best bet is to try it out on a dev system first
11:53 <+MrHairgrease> and check the yui docs if 2.3.1 is a drop in replacement for the yui that comes with wegui
11:56 < AMH_mari> 2.3.1 appears to work but I will check it further on a dev system first. Thanks.
11:56 <+MrHairgrease> ok
11:56 <+MrHairgrease> good luck
11:56 <+MrHairgrease> please let me know how it works out
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16:34 <@rizen> the things to check are:
16:34 <@rizen> admin bar
16:34 <@rizen> resizable text areas
16:35 <@rizen> site setup wizard
16:35 <@khenn> who are you talking to?
16:35 <@rizen> tool tips
16:35 <@rizen> AMH_mari
16:35 <@rizen> tool tips = hover help
16:39 <+MrHairgrease> I have this friggin problem haunting me all day
16:39 <+MrHairgrease> what I want to do is this
16:39 <+MrHairgrease> Extend WG::A::Post with some stuff
16:39 <+MrHairgrease> that will be called WG::A::Post::Slave
16:40 <+MrHairgrease> that is easy of course
16:40 <+MrHairgrease> the problem is however
16:40 <@khenn> I think I know the punchline
16:40 <@khenn> =)
16:40 <+MrHairgrease> that Threads of that type should use base WG::A::Post::Slave
16:40 <+MrHairgrease> Call such a thread WG::A::Post::Slave::Thread
16:41 <+MrHairgrease> but how do I get the methods of WG::A::P::Thread into that class?
16:41 <+MrHairgrease> I cannot inherit directly
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16:42 <@khenn> the only way to do it is to customize all the way through
16:42 <+MrHairgrease> since use base 'WG::A::P::Thread' would inherit from WG::A::P
16:42 <@khenn> Doug made some fizes
16:42 <@khenn> fixes
16:42 <+MrHairgrease> not my new post
16:42 <@khenn> tot he class
16:42 <+MrHairgrease> If it would only export all its crap i think i would work
16:42 <+MrHairgrease> what fixes?
16:42 <+MrHairgrease> are they in svn?
16:43 <@khenn> I'd have to ask
16:43 <@khenn> we did this for a client earlier this year
16:43 <@khenn> I think the way he did it was:
16:43 <+MrHairgrease> Right now I'm trying out mixin
16:43 < SDuensin> Greetings.
16:43 <@khenn> WG::A::Wobject::CustomCollab
16:43 <@khenn> WG::A::Post::CustomThread
16:43 <@khenn> WG::A::CustomPost
16:44 <+MrHairgrease> yeah
16:44 <@khenn> and you have to change the ref points
16:44 <+MrHairgrease> that's what i do too
16:44 <@khenn> oh, then I misunderstood the issue
16:44 <+MrHairgrease> but how do I get the vanilla thread methods into my new thread
16:44 <+MrHairgrease> without copying all the code
16:45 <@khenn> oh
16:45 <@khenn> you could use the isa method off the object
16:45 <@khenn> isa(WG::A:Post::Thread
16:46 <+MrHairgrease> that doesn't work
16:46 <+MrHairgrease> because it'll bypass my custom post
16:46 <+MrHairgrease> phone
16:46 <+MrHairgrease> brb
16:46 <@khenn> then isa(WG::A::Post)
16:46 <@khenn> since thread inherits from that
16:49 <+MrHairgrease> when I make the new thread isa(WG::A::Thread) defintion will do this
16:50 <+MrHairgrease> def(wg::a::p::slave::thread) -> def(wg::a::p::thread) -> def(wg::a::post)
16:51 <+MrHairgrease> but I want def(wg::a::p::slave::thread) -> def(wg::a::p::thread) -> def(wg::a::p::slave) -> def(wg::a::post)
16:51 <@rizen> MrHairgrease, as far as I know it is not possible to do inheritance in the way you're looking to do it
16:51 <@rizen> to make this work you have to do it this way
16:51 <@khenn> yeah
16:52 <@khenn> you are not doing the inheritance right
16:52 <@rizen> 1) subclass WebGUI::Asset::Post
16:52 <@rizen> as WebGUI::Asset::Post:NewPost
16:52 < AMH_mari> @Rizen: thanks, will check the items from your list specifically.
16:52 <@rizen> 2) subclass WebGUI::Asset::Post::Thread as WebGUI::Asset::Post::Thread::NewThread
16:52 <@rizen> 3) Create a mixin class outside of both subclasses
16:52 <@rizen> for shared methods
16:53 <@rizen> and bring them into your subclasses
16:53 <@rizen> i know that sucks, but i know of no other way to do what you want to do
16:53 <+MrHairgrease> ok
16:54 <+MrHairgrease> so use mixin is the way to go
16:54 <@rizen> and it's very important that your new subclasses include W:A:P and W:A:P:T in their namespace
16:54 <@rizen> if they don't, inheritance won't work correctly
16:55 <+MrHairgrease> ok
16:55 <@rizen> actually, that's true of all assets that you subclass
16:55 <+MrHairgrease> so W:A:P:Slave and W:A:P:T:Slave
16:55 <@rizen> yup
16:57 <+MrHairgrease> and repectively ISA W:A:P and ISA W:A:P:T?
16:57 <+MrHairgrease> man this is some confusing crap
17:02 <@rizen> it gets confusing after a while
17:03 <@rizen> it's not so bad on a single asset
17:03 <@rizen> but when you have a composite asset like the CS
17:03 <@rizen> that is made up of multiple assets
17:03 <@rizen> then you get into some real confusing shit
17:03 <@rizen> =)
17:03 <+MrHairgrease> tell me about it
17:03 <@rizen> hmmm.
17:04 <@rizen> that would make a great talk at the wuc
17:04 <@rizen> the difference between assets, meta assets, and composite assets
17:04 <+MrHairgrease> yeah, in a way that you shwo me =)
17:04 <@rizen> and the inheritance issues with each
17:05 <@rizen> i might have to do that for next year
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17:24 <+MrHairgrease> ok
17:24 <+MrHairgrease> you may call me dumb now
17:24 <+MrHairgrease> i still don't get it to work
17:24 <+MrHairgrease> what's supposed to be in that mixin class?
17:26 <@rizen> you have to use a mixin utility class
17:26 <@rizen> like NEXT
17:26 <@rizen> See RSSCapable
17:26 <+MrHairgrease> ok
17:26 <@rizen> W:A:RSSCapable
17:27 <+MrHairgrease> i was trying to get mixin to work
17:27 <+MrHairgrease> http://search.cpan.org/~mschwern/mixin-0.06/lib/mixin.pm
17:27 <+MrHairgrease> but i'll try next
17:27 <+MrHairgrease> thanks
17:27 <@rizen> mixin might work, never tried that one
17:27 <+MrHairgrease> i'll try the paved roads first
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17:46 <@khenn> unix help:  what is the command to see the size of a folder recursively?
17:47 <+MrHairgrease> du -Sh
17:47 <@khenn> nope
17:47 <@khenn> du:  illegal option -- S
17:47 <+MrHairgrease> huh
17:48 <+MrHairgrease> moment
17:48 <@khenn> must be -s
17:48 <+MrHairgrease> -S works for me
17:48 <@khenn> yeah -s
17:48 <@khenn> thanks
17:48 <+MrHairgrease> yeah you should -s
17:48 <+MrHairgrease> still -S works for me too
17:49 <+MrHairgrease> oh
17:49 <+MrHairgrease> -S will give a wrong result anyway
17:49 <+MrHairgrease> so don't bother=)
17:56 <@apeiron> Looks like -S is GNU, whereas a Mac is probably running BSD du.
17:56 <+MrHairgrease> ah well
17:56 <+MrHairgrease> -s was the right one anyway
17:58  * MrHairgrease is putting th etread thing on the shelf for today
18:01 <+MrHairgrease> I have wre 0.8.0 for ubuntu 7.04 btw
18:01 <+MrHairgrease> do you want me to upload it somewhere?
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18:04 <@rizen> upload.sf.net/incoming
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18:05 <+MrHairgrease> just drop it in that dir?
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18:09 <+MrHairgrease> ok
18:09 <+MrHairgrease> it's up
18:12 <@rizen> it's on sf now
18:13 <+MrHairgrease> ok
18:13 <@rizen> how did the build process go for you? was it smooth as silk?
18:32 <+MrHairgrease> yes
18:32 <+MrHairgrease> I did ./build.sh
18:33 <+MrHairgrease> forgot about it
18:33 <+MrHairgrease> and when I remembered and checked it was finised
18:33 <+MrHairgrease> nice work
18:33 <@rizen> awesome. that's what was intended
18:33 <+MrHairgrease> but i gotta go
18:33 <@rizen> later
18:33 <+MrHairgrease> diner and stuff
18:33 <+MrHairgrease> and beer
18:34 <+MrHairgrease> I can use that afterthis unfruitful day
18:34  * MrHairgrease is gonna mixin some beer
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18:41 <+snapcount> not sure if you guys saw this yet: http://xkcd.com/327/
18:41 <+snapcount> lolz
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20:59 < ckotil> yah, thats a good one.
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21:19 < FireZilla> hi
21:20 < FireZilla> I have a question. I hope you can help me
21:21 < snapcount_> not until we know what the question is =)
21:22 < FireZilla> I read on the wiki, that Modperl port should not be available from outside of the machine.
21:22 <@rizen> and maybe not even them. some of us (like me) are dumber than others of us (like snapcount)
21:22 < FireZilla> Can you explain why
21:23 < snapcount_> rizen: lol
21:23 < snapcount_> it's because the only thing that needs to talk to that instance is modproxy
21:25 < FireZilla> ok, so I just have to block that port with iptables ?
21:25 < snapcount_> or your firewall or even an allow from directive in the apache conf
21:25 < snapcount_> pick your poison
21:25 <@Haarg> or change it to only listen on 127.0.0.1
21:25 < snapcount_> indeed
21:26 <@rizen> that only works if your dns is mapped to 127.0.0.1 or you have only one webgui site
21:31 < FireZilla> ok. Thanks al lot
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22:01 <@rizen> martin's genius sometimes astounds me
22:06 <@preaction> his presentation?
22:06 <@rizen> no, i'm fixing some graphing bugs
22:07 <@rizen> and the graphing system does a bunch of stuff that i had no idea it was capable of
22:07 <@rizen> i have to come up with some cool asset to build that can take advantage of this stuff
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22:23 < cryolai> Anyone around? I got a question about about WebGUI committing...
22:24 <@preaction> perlbot ask
22:24 < perlbot> Ask forth your question to the all-knowing channel and we shall bestow upon you the answer of correctitude.
22:24 <@preaction> perlbot relearn ask as Don't ask to ask, just ask.
22:24 < perlbot> relearned entry for ask
22:25 < cryolai> Whenever I commit something, it doesn't actually commit. It goes into the "Pending versions" and never shows up...
22:26 < cryolai> Then, a lock shows up on the article or page i just edited, and I have to go back and delete the revisions I just made and the process repeats itself
22:26 < cryolai> ...Am I doing something wrong?
22:26 <@preaction> is spectre running?
22:26 < cryolai> I don't know what that is.
22:26 <@preaction> which explains that
22:27 <@preaction> running under the WRE?
22:27 < cryolai> Eh...?
22:27 <@preaction> are you running the WRE?
22:27 < cryolai> I don't know what that is, either...
22:28 <@preaction> so no
22:28 <@preaction> cd /data/WebGUI/sbin; perl spectre.pl --daemon
22:30 < cryolai> Hmm?
22:31 <@preaction> spectre.pl is located in WebGUI's sbin directory. it is a daemon that must be run with WebGUI
22:35 < cryolai> We have hosting, though.
22:36 <@preaction> with whom?
22:36 <@preaction> ask them for support
22:36 < cryolai> Plainblack, alright.
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07:33 < elnino> hello. How do I give a user the ability to use the redirect asset?
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10:11 < wgGuest54> Can anyone tell me if you need root access or access to system files in order to install webgui?
10:20 < AMH_bob> yes, you do (or superuser rights)
10:20 < wgGuest54> Thanks for that.
10:20 < wgGuest54> researching for a customer. Is it just for the /data dire? That's all I see in the wiki
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15:56 < SDuensin> Greetings.
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