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00:19 < Radix-europe> Greetings from Prague
00:20 < Radix-europe> YAPC finished yesterday.. was fun, though I didn't really learn much perl from it.. most of it went woosh over my head.  Still.. I scored a Learning Perl book to take home and got it signed by Larry Wall, so that'll help me :)
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22:30 <+MrHairgrease> Hey Jesse
22:30 <+MrHairgrease> how's the eurotrip going?
22:30 < Radix-europe> Hey Martin
22:30 < Radix-europe> going well
22:31 < Radix-europe> In Prague atm, off to Berlin tomorrow
22:31 <+MrHairgrease> I thought it was was yapc this weekend.
22:31 <+MrHairgrease> but aparently it's not =)
22:32 < Radix-europe> YAPC::Europe was fun, though most of it went over my head, but I scored a copy of Learning Perl and got it signed by Larry Wall, so I'm happy :)
22:32 <+MrHairgrease> cool
22:32 < Radix-europe> YAPC was from Tues-Thurs
22:32 <+MrHairgrease> oh ok
22:32 < Radix-europe> We caught a train to Prague the day after it
22:32 < Radix-europe> and head off again tomorrow
22:33 <+MrHairgrease> how's prague?
22:33 < Radix-europe> got three days in Berlin to see the place, then we're off to Belgium after that it looks like
22:33 < Radix-europe> Prague is fun, nice cheap beer and has a fun atmosphere
22:33 < Radix-europe> We went and saw a couple of castles today and did a city tour
22:34 < Radix-europe> it's cheaper to buy a half litre of beer than it is to buy 250ml of juice
22:35 <+MrHairgrease> heh
22:35 < Radix-europe> 50cl is less than 1 euro to buy
22:35 <+MrHairgrease> yeah 
22:35 <+MrHairgrease> that's the spirit
22:35 <+MrHairgrease> so I've heard from some friends of mine
22:35 <+MrHairgrease> who've been there
22:35 <+MrHairgrease> aparently beer's even cheaper outside of prague
22:36 <+MrHairgrease> it's insane
22:36 < Radix-europe> though you have to be careful. don't buy beer out in stare mesto with a view.. you pay twice the price
22:36 <+MrHairgrease> omg
22:36 <+MrHairgrease> 2 euros for a pint
22:36 <+MrHairgrease> that's still cheap
22:36 <+MrHairgrease> =)
22:36 < Radix-europe> if you order a beer in the garden out the back, it's 24kc - if you buy it out front it's 65kc
22:36 < Radix-europe> you literally pay for the view ;)
22:36 <+MrHairgrease> pay per view
22:36 <+MrHairgrease> it's the future trhey say
22:37 < Radix-europe> heh
22:37 <+MrHairgrease> =)
22:38 < Radix-europe> Did I send you our blog url?
22:38 <+MrHairgrease> no
22:38 < Radix-europe> jesseandyumi.blogspot.com
22:39 <+MrHairgrease> thanks
22:39 <+MrHairgrease> i'll check it out
22:39 < Radix-europe> Got photos up to first day in vienna so far up
22:40 < Radix-europe> I didn't get much of YAPC tho.. didn't take my camera along
22:40 <+MrHairgrease> too bad
22:40 < Radix-europe> you can find them all on flickr from other ppl tho.. search for the tag yapceu07
22:41 <+MrHairgrease> i was really longing for photo's of flocking men with beards and sandals =)
22:41 < Radix-europe> I know.. that's why I thought you'd like that tag :)
22:41 < Radix-europe> hehe
22:43 <+MrHairgrease> http://flickr.com/photos/maddingue/1280150410/
22:44 <+MrHairgrease> i think that's even a low estimate =)
22:45 < Radix-europe> hehe.. that was a funny talk that one
22:45 <+MrHairgrease> yeah
22:45 < Radix-europe> he used 95% for everything
22:45 <+MrHairgrease> that would be my guess too
22:45 <+MrHairgrease> heh
22:45 < Radix-europe> including 95% of statistics are made up
22:46 <+MrHairgrease> =)
22:46 <+MrHairgrease> are the talks available onliune somewhere
22:46 <+MrHairgrease> that you know of 
22:46 < Radix-europe> Umm.. each speaker seemed to have their own place to put their slides I found
22:46 < Radix-europe> I wrote down a few addresses in my notebook
22:47 < Radix-europe> and every one of them is in a different location
22:47 <+MrHairgrease> hmm
22:47 <+MrHairgrease> oh well
22:47 < Radix-europe> One talk that was interesting
22:48 < Radix-europe> Some guy has created another content management system like webgui - he's way behind technology wise it looked like, but he's doing it solely by himself - called Spine
22:48 <+MrHairgrease> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3828282759372324573
22:48 < Radix-europe> he said he'd heard of WebGUI, but never tried it
22:48 <+MrHairgrease> it is the yapc::Asia though
22:49 <+MrHairgrease> but the same guy
22:49 < Radix-europe> same talk tho
22:49 <+MrHairgrease> indeed
22:49 < Radix-europe> his talk was still in japanese
22:49 < Radix-europe> but with english subtitles :)
22:49 < Radix-europe> the arm wrestle with damian conway was funny
22:50 <+MrHairgrease> you armwrestled damian conway?
22:50 < Radix-europe> lol.. sif
22:50 < Radix-europe> nah.. one of the other guys did for the auction at the end
22:50 < Radix-europe> thomas klausner
22:51 < Radix-europe> they even did it shirtless
22:51 < Radix-europe> the auction at the end was crazy
22:51 < Radix-europe> the next yapc is in copenhagen, so they decided to auction off the guys from copenhagen to do something.
22:52 <+MrHairgrease> http://youtube.com/watch?v=QDK4FdbsySI
22:52 < Radix-europe> they decided that it was going to be a tattoo.. and the decision in the end was to get them all to put swedish flag tattoos on their forehead
22:52 < Radix-europe> that they have to wear for the next yapc
22:52 <+MrHairgrease> copenhagen
22:52 <+MrHairgrease> cool
22:53 <+MrHairgrease> maybe i'll go
22:53 <+MrHairgrease> never been there
22:57 < Radix-europe> Well I'm off to bed.. keep checking the blog.. we'll be putting up more photos and blog entries as we go :)
22:57 <+MrHairgrease> ok
22:57 <+MrHairgrease> will do
22:57 <+MrHairgrease> have a good trip
22:57 < Radix-europe> Will do :)
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21:22 < xootom> hi all, does anyone know how to send private messages in wg? my site doesn't show the send private message link in user profiles like webgui.org :S
21:34 <@preaction> give me a minute and i'll find it
21:36 <@preaction> ?op=sendPrivateMessage
21:36 <@preaction> you'll need a uid too
21:42 < xootom> ah so it's not built into the user profile, is there a user profile template?
21:42 < xootom> i'm sure i read it wasn't yet
21:42 <@preaction> no, profile isn't templatable yet
21:43 < xootom> i wonder how that works on webgui.org
21:43 <@preaction> i can find out
21:44 < xootom> yeah that'd be useful, thanks. do you know what the roadmap is for things like 'whos online' lists, chat, friends lists etc, is it documented publicly?
21:45 <@preaction> chat is being written by danny_mk from here, friends is apparently implemented in 7.5, who's online is possible with a rather simple macro (using active sessions and a single argument specifying the length of time to consider one active)
21:46 < xootom> great, thanks!
21:46 <@preaction> we've got a little pow-wow to get ready for the WUC, so i've got a week in which i get to be bored out of my mind. i'll make that macro and try to get JT's approval for 7.5
21:46 <@preaction> it looks like it's built-in to the profile code, there must be a flag for "Allow private messages" or something
21:47 <@preaction> there is, there's a profile field called "allowPrivateMessages"
21:47 < xootom> yes, such a switch is in edit profile, as you can make the profile hidden and private messages possible
21:47 < xootom> yes, per-user
21:48 <@preaction> if that switch is on, you get the Send Private Message link at the bottom of the profile
21:48 < xootom> i've enabled those for my account and from other accounts there isn't the link, though they can see my profile
21:48 <@preaction> okay, that's weir
21:49 < xootom> hiding email address flag works, and hiding profile
21:50 <@preaction> if you look at line 308 of lib/WebGUI/Operation/Profile.pm it should add the link for the sendPrivateMessage link
21:54 < xootom> my line 308 is        return $session->style->userStyle(WebGUI::Asset::Template->new($session,"PBtmpl0000000000000052")->process($vars));
21:55 <@preaction> above that do you see an if ($session->user->userId eq $session->form->process("uid")) { 
21:55 <@preaction> with an else { block?
21:55 < xootom> it doesn't have an else block, the if just looks like it's showing account options
21:56 <@preaction> what version are you using?
21:56 < xootom> 7.4.5
21:57 <@preaction> yeah, looks like JT fixed that for 7.4.6
21:57 <@preaction> i send send you a link to a diff
21:57 < xootom> ahhh ok, great
21:58 <@preaction> https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/diff/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Operation/Profile.pm?rev1=4627;rev2=4628;mime=text/plain
21:58 < xootom> thanks
22:05 < xootom> that did the trick, thanks! it won't break the upgrade to 7.4.6 will it?
22:05 <@preaction> no, the upgrade to 7.4.6 will replace that code with that code
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20:53 <+MrHairgrease> wow
20:53 <+MrHairgrease> the new wre is awesome
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14:56 < knowmad> Is there a method to get the userId if I only have a username?
14:57 < AMH_henry>  $u = WebGUI::User->newByUsername($session, $username);
15:01 < knowmad> is that a new object or does it create a new user in the db?
15:01 < knowmad> it's a bit misleading
15:01 < AMH_henry> Instanciates a user by username. Returns undef if the username could not be found.
15:01 < AMH_henry> Visitor may not be looked up with this method.
15:02 < AMH_henry> from the documentation :)
15:02 < knowmad> thanks!
15:02 < AMH_henry> yw
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17:25 <+MrHairgrease> hi
17:26 <+MrHairgrease> preaction
17:26 <+MrHairgrease> do you know if the tmpl_var session.isVisitor
17:26 <+MrHairgrease> is available in the navigation template?
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19:00 < sno> Why does WebGUI::FormProcessor::date("recruitStartDate"); return a value but WebGUI::FormProcessor::text("recruitDepartment"); gives undefined on a valid vorm with these values populated?
19:00 < sno> "valid form"
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21:49 < elnino> hello.
21:49 < elnino> apparantly, there is a new "feature" in the upgrade I installed that messed up what I was trying to do, so I'm trying to find an alternative.
21:50 < elnino> I was putting html in the menutitle field to differenciate some menu items. 7.3.22 strips out all html. is this a bug or "feature"?
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22:32 < elnino> is there a way I can put html in the menu title field? where would the code be? 7.2.1 used to let me do this, and 7.3.22 is stripping it out. I need ot be able to have html in the menutitle field.
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00:02 < ckotil> can we resize dashboard items yet?
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00:32 < xootom> ckotil, what do you mean resize dashboard items?
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15:39 < ckotil> xootom: when you add a new item to your dashboard, you cant change the dimensiions of the 'widget'
15:40 < ckotil> at least in version 7.3.22
15:40 < xootom> same as if the item appears anywhere else though, how do you see it working?
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16:10 < ckotil> zoom/pan/scaling/resizing ;-)
16:10 < ckotil> I just feel so locked down and constrained being unable to resize the widgets
16:11 < ckotil> i spent some time yesterday examining whether or not I could leverage the dashboard asset for use as a customer portal. we have lots of small tools that customers use on a daily basis. to have the wrapped up nicely in a dashboard would be ideal.
16:12 < ckotil> but none of the tools would fit in the small confines of the widget. they are long enough, but not wide enough.
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16:14 < SDuensin> Greetings.
16:17 < xootom> could you edit the template and add a fourth column (not sure if it's constrained to use 3 though)
16:17 < xootom> hi SDuensin
16:17 < SDuensin> Hey xootom 
16:19 < xootom> ckotil, with 7.3.22 are you finding that new users get a blank dashboard?
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16:40 < ckotil> i didnt try viewing the dash w/ another user.
16:40 < ckotil> ill give it a shot.
17:07 < ckotil> it is blank, but the assets are available for the user to add from the content list.
17:15 < xootom> yeah same here, it doesn't take on the default look
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19:42 < ckotil> i think thats by design tho
19:42 < ckotil> a default setup might be a good feature tho
19:43 < ckotil> opera works quite well with webgui :)
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21:52 < professorfrink_> i'm building a site in 7.3.22, and i keep running into a couple of weird problems with the control buttons and the admin bar
21:52 < professorfrink_> it's stacking all the buttons in the page and in the content manager's RFE
21:52 < professorfrink_> and not displaying text, only icons in the admin bar
21:53 < professorfrink_> has anyone else seen this?
22:35 < xdanger> which browser?
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23:15 < professorfrink_> i'm using firefox 2.0, but it's happening in every browser i've tried
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16:35 < SDuensin> Greetings.
16:42 < xootom> hi!
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16:21 < rjacobsen> good morning - i have found a bug in webgui and no way around it - when I put the company name in the "Company Name" section of the "Settings" in the "Admin Console" it will not accept a single quote.... if i put in (for example) Granny Pooh's Corner - it always puts in double quote rather than single quote..... any way around this?
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16:48 < SDuensin> Greetings.
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16:56 < rjacobsen> good morning - i have found a bug in webgui and no way around it - when I put the company name in the "Company Name" section of the "Settings" in the "Admin Console" it will not accept a single quote.... if i put in (for example) Granny Pooh's Corner - it always puts in double quote rather than single quote..... any way around this?
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18:03 <@rizen> bug --
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18:06 < elnino> hello.  I recently upgraded to 7.3.22 and I had html tags in some of my menu title fields, and they are now being filtered out. Is there any code I can modify so that webgui wil keep the html code in that field?
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18:11 < xootom> can anyone from pb tell me the difference between the level of support offered with the supported hosting package @ 50 per month that includes unlimited web-based support, and the 1000 per year online support?
18:14 <@rizen> there is really no difference
18:14 <@rizen> it's just that if you're hosting with us, you aren't going to ask as many questions cuz we take care of the environment for you
18:15 <@rizen> the online support is for people who don't host with us
18:16 < elnino> is there any incentive for recommending you as a hosting company  to a friend/company?
18:17 < xootom> i'm thinking of using the supported hosting for a dev/test area, as our main server is now production so it'd be a good place to ensure updates work before hitting live, without having to 'waste a box' here and keep it up to date, would that scenario be ok?
18:18 <@rizen> yup, you know that they're going to get the best webgui hosting available. =)
18:19 <@rizen> we don't allow custom code or ssh access on our virtual hosting accounts
18:19 <@rizen> we have unsupported dev servers available for that purpose for $150 per month though
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18:21 < rjacobsen> good morning
18:21 < rjacobsen> why cant i type in here?
18:21 <@preaction> i don't know? can't you?
18:21 < rjacobsen> i guess i got it workin niow
18:21 < rjacobsen> now
18:22 < rjacobsen> did anyone see what i typed above about the settings in webgui?
18:22 <@preaction> no, it was probably too long
18:22 < rjacobsen> if not ill paste it in again....
18:22 <@preaction> paste != type
18:22 < rjacobsen> ok well the long and short of it is...
18:23 < xootom> ahh so not able to put own macros on shared hosting, what about non-standard tables to use with sql reports?
18:23 < rjacobsen> for some reason if i type Kid's in the Company Name slot in settings it displays Kid"s (with double quotes) on the home page
18:24 < rjacobsen> why is it displaying the single quotes as double quotes and is there a fix?
18:26 < elnino>  hello I had html tags in some of my asset's menu title. I recently upgraded to 7.3.22 and and now they are being filtered out (they weren't before). Is there any code I can modify so that webgui will keep the html code in that field?
18:36 <@rizen> bug --
18:36 < elnino> it's a bug?
18:37 <@rizen> bug --
18:37 <@rizen> no, i'm not talking to you elninio
18:37 < elnino> oh. =)
18:37 <@rizen> as i've stated previously, i don't provide support here, so i can't comment on your question
18:38 < elnino> are you talking to me now?
18:38 < rjacobsen> rizen is there any work around for this bug?
18:38 <@rizen> i have no idea what you're talking about rjacobson
18:39 < elnino> i'm so confused. =)
18:40 < rjacobsen> ok for some reason when i put a company name in the settings box in webgui and it has a single quote in the company name it changes the single quote to double quote when it displays the company name
18:40 < rjacobsen> did you see all that?
18:40 <@rizen> i saw that, but as i just told elnino, i don't provide support here
18:40 <@rizen> if someone else wants to answer you that's fine, but not me
18:41 < rjacobsen> it is a bug in webgui - a sql query is not being escaped in the webgui code - so who can fix it?
18:41 <@rizen> how about you submit it to the bug list like everyone else http://webgui.org/bugs
18:41 < elnino> rjacobsen - I'd would submit a bug report on webgui's site.
18:42 < rjacobsen> and wait 3 months...... i have customers down my throat now that their company name is not displaying right
18:43 < rjacobsen> kinda a big thing since webgui uses what the customer puts in the company name box of webgui for title of the website
18:43 <@rizen> phone support includes priority bug fixes
18:44 < rjacobsen> this is not something i should have to pay to fix since it is obviously something in the webgui coding that is broken
18:45 < rjacobsen> unless your willing to give access to webgui code....
18:45 < rjacobsen> only way you could actually charge for this problem is if i actually had access to the code to modify it
18:45 <@preaction> rjacobsen, you have access to the webgui code, make a patch and submit it?
18:45 <@rizen> you're not paying for us to fix it
18:45 <@preaction> webgui is free, open source under the GPL
18:45 <@rizen> you're paying us to put it a tthe top of our priority list
18:45 < elnino> rjacobsen- are you being hosted by plainblack?
18:46 <@preaction> plainblack runs the same version of webgui as is released on webgui.org
18:46 < rjacobsen> why is this becoming a big problem? it takes 2 seconds to open the code, escape the sql query, and close the code
18:46 < rjacobsen> bug fixed
18:46 <@preaction> post a bug, follow the process. we're fixing bugs today.
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19:10 < diakopter> rjacobsen: graham fixed that two weeks ago: https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/diff/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/HTML.pm?rev1=4616;rev2=4617
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19:53 < sanyock> Hi All, please let me know to whom it is better to contact for submitting small patches for issues like: http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/not-able-to-call-stored-procedures-from-94sql-macro/1
19:55 < sanyock> if a patch is done according to http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/subversion
19:55 <@rizen> if you submit the patch as an RFE,  it will be added to the next dev cycle
19:55 <@rizen> submitting it as a bug means that it will go into the current stable, and we don't allow new features in the current stable
19:56 < sanyock> did you split SVN into two branches?
19:56 < sanyock> stable and beta?
19:56 <@rizen> 7.5 hasn't been branched yet
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20:00 < sanyock> would a patch for stored procedures be accepted, do you have any policy on usefulness of feature to be included ?
20:00 <@rizen> if i tested it and it worked, it would be allowed
20:00 <@rizen> stored procedures are generically useful to lots of people
20:00 < sanyock> thanks
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20:04 < sanyock> what is preferred development environment of WebGUI developers? For example java people use eclipse
20:04 <@rizen> most use vim
20:05 <@rizen> most don't use an ide
20:05 < sanyock> :)
20:05  * sanyock prefers nano
20:05 < sanyock> how about debugging, sure stored proc issue does not need it but for other things it may be needed
20:06 <@rizen> as long as you conform to the best practices, you may use whatever you like
20:06 < sanyock> I just wonder to save time  on selection
20:06 <@rizen> you know how to put webgui into debug mode, right?
20:06 < sanyock> only for SQL reports
20:07 <@rizen> admin console > settings > miscellaneous > show debug
20:07 < sanyock> I saw it but did not try yet
20:56 < elnino> I recently upgraded to 7.3.22 and I had html tags in some of my menu title fields, and they are now being filtered out. is this a bug or was it intended?
21:04 <@rizen> bug --
21:04 <@rizen> bug --
21:04 <@rizen> bug --
21:07 <@rizen> bug --
21:09 < elnino> I'm assuming you're talking to me this time? =)
21:11 <@rizen> bug --
21:11 <@rizen> bug -- has nothing to do with you
21:11 <@rizen> it means a bug has been fixed
21:11 <@rizen> it's not directed AT anyone
21:11 <@rizen> just FYI
21:12 < elnino> oh. now I get it. I'm very glad you are squashing a bunch of bugs today. Good job!
21:24 <@rizen> bug --
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21:28 <@rizen> bug --
21:38 < elnino> hi. I'm still wondering if stripping html from an assets menutitle is intentional or a bug.
21:38 <@rizen> intentional
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21:54 < elnino> if it's intentional, can you point me to the pm file that I may modify to remove this? It used to work in 7.2.1 and it was a bit of a surprise when it was changed.
21:55 <@rizen> i'm afraid not
21:55 <@rizen> bug --
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22:01 < elnino> ok, then can you suggest an alternative method in stylizing the menu title independantly from the stucture of the site?
22:02 <@rizen> i don't provide support here
22:11 < ckotil> does webgui support ldaps?
22:11 <@rizen> not currently
22:11 <@rizen> you have to use it over stunnel
22:11 <@rizen> if you want it encrypted
22:11 < ckotil> ya. i do that for my db connection now.
22:12 < ckotil> do you have a timeframe in mind for ldaps?
22:12 <@rizen> nope...it's in the RFE list i think
22:12 < ckotil> kthx.
22:19 < ckotil> its kind of obscure, but its there. http://www.plainblack.com/rfe/request-for-enhancement/ldap2
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22:53 <@rizen> bug --
22:53 <@rizen> bug --
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18:26 <+MrHairgrease> hi
18:26 <+MrHairgrease> so i have this weird behaviour
18:27 <+MrHairgrease> and i'm wondering if you've seen it too
18:27 <+MrHairgrease> what happens is that all of a sudden saving a snippet will blow up apache
18:27 <+MrHairgrease> getting it to use 99.9% cpu
18:27 <+MrHairgrease> before it saved easily
18:28 <+MrHairgrease> now the weird thing comes
18:28 <+MrHairgrease> the former save was done with firefox
18:28 <+MrHairgrease> so i tried with opera
18:28 <+MrHairgrease> nothing wrong
18:28 <+MrHairgrease> the snippet saves no infinite loop
18:29 <+MrHairgrease> i clear everything in firefox (cookies, cache, etc) even close it and start it again
18:29 <+MrHairgrease> try to save that snippet once again
18:29 <+MrHairgrease> bam, the server blows up
18:29 <+MrHairgrease> other snippets work fine
18:29 <+MrHairgrease> opera also still saves correctly
18:30 <+MrHairgrease> so i decide to use opera to save that particular asset for the time being
18:30 <+MrHairgrease> now the even weirder part comes
18:30 <+MrHairgrease> after a number of saves using opera the server blows up again
18:31 <+MrHairgrease> but currently it's working again under firefox.
18:31 <+MrHairgrease> I cannot figure out what's triggering it
18:31 <+MrHairgrease> it's on 7.4.2
18:31 <+MrHairgrease> anybody seen this behaviour too?
18:32 <+MrHairgrease> I've seen it happen on my laptop, my colleague's iBook and Arjan has seen it too.
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23:06 <+MrHairgrease> rizen
23:07 <+MrHairgrease> or someone else
23:07 <@rizen> mhg
23:07 <+MrHairgrease> a quick question
23:07 <@rizen> yes, i know your mom works that street corner
23:07 <@rizen> but my girls gotta eat too
23:07 <+MrHairgrease> is it possible to make a nav containing previous/next page links relative to the current page
23:08 <+MrHairgrease> next and previous would be the sibling next to the current page
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23:08 <+MrHairgrease> i need to know for my wuc presentation
23:09 <@rizen> not any way i can think of using the current variables
23:10 <@rizen> well...i guess you could load all the data into a javascript structure
23:10 <@rizen> and then you'd know whether there was a prev / next page
23:10 <@rizen> for the current page
23:10 <@rizen> because you could check array lengths and such
23:10 <+MrHairgrease> yeah
23:11 <+MrHairgrease> that crossed my mind too
23:11 <+MrHairgrease> oh well
23:11 <+MrHairgrease> javascript would be good for acme i guess
23:11 <+MrHairgrease> thanks
23:11 <@rizen> np
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00:06 <+MrHairgrease> the javascript thingy did the trick btw
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01:41 <@preaction> does anyone think people would be interested in a patch to switch to graphics magic in 7.3.22?
01:41 <@preaction> and/or a small shell script to translate custom code to use graphics magic?
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03:23 < wgGuest63> hello everyone!
03:23 < wgGuest63> I have a question for you all . . . 
03:26 < wgGuest63> has anyone in here used webgui for a school or university?
03:26 < rizen_> dozens of our clients are universities and schools
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03:28 <@rizen> the 8th and 9th largest school districts in the US use WebGUI (Philadelphia School District and the Hawaii Department of Education)
03:30 < wgGuest63> excellent
03:31 < wgGuest63> I'm the network administrator and helpdesk manager for our college in Chicago, IL
03:31 <@rizen> Cool.
03:31 < wgGuest63> and we currently have a unix server running Fedora 7 with the basic public_html directories
03:31 < wgGuest63> nothing fancy
03:31 < wgGuest63> www.site.com/~username
03:32 < wgGuest63> but a small % of instructors use this
03:32 < wgGuest63> and webgui seems like it will make everyone's life easier
03:32 < wgGuest63> but
03:33 < wgGuest63> as far as transitioing goes, . . . what are the URL's for a user that, . . let say registers and builds a page?
03:33 <@rizen> Well, that's up to you, because a user doesn't get a page unless you as an admin gives it to them
03:34 < wgGuest63> would I need to install this on a separate server and call it http://faculty.xxx.xxx.edu
03:34 <@rizen> You can do that a couple different ways
03:34 < wgGuest63> hmm
03:34 <@rizen> You can either do it manually
03:34 < wgGuest63> well, . . . whats the most common way you've seen it done
03:34 <@rizen> or automated
03:34 < wgGuest63> when a user registers for an account on www.domain.com
03:35 < wgGuest63> is the user's site www.domain.com/user, etc?
03:35 < wgGuest63> I'm trying to get a better sense of how this works
03:35 < wgGuest63> and as a matter of fact
03:35 <@rizen> Usually the admins I know do it manually because individual users don't get pages, it's departments that get pages, and then a department manager hands out pages to individuals if necessary
03:35 <@rizen> the url can be basically whatever you want, but generally speaking it would be something like
03:35 <@rizen> domain.com/faculty/username
03:36 <@rizen> or faculty.domain.com/username would work fine too
03:36 < wgGuest63> the only downside I see right now is that I need to put this on a separate server
03:36 <@rizen> some people set up a workflow that will automatically create a user's page and assign rights when the user is created
03:37 <@rizen> fyi, webgui has a built in workflow engine to automate such tasks
03:37 < wgGuest63> only because I'm thinking about using our main campus webserver with the Joomla CMS!
03:37 < wgGuest63> because we have scrict guidelines in terms of our corporate image
03:37 < wgGuest63> so I'm designing a template for it
03:37 < wgGuest63> but we do have faculty homepages that students visit for course syllabi and whatnot
03:37 <@rizen> why would you go joomla for the main site and webgui for these substes?
03:37 <@rizen> instead of webgui everywhere?
03:38 < wgGuest63> well, I could
03:38 < wgGuest63> but I would need to learn how to customize my current website to look exactly as is with webgui
03:38 < wgGuest63> do you want to see our current page?
03:38 <@rizen> sure
03:38 < wgGuest63> remember, this is a corporate theme, so I can't modify it that much
03:39 <@rizen> there's a book that can help you wiht that
03:39 < wgGuest63> I need to design it so it looks lamost identical
03:39 < wgGuest63> http://www.dpg.devry.edu
03:39 <@rizen> https://www.plainblack.com/store/services/books2/webgui-designers-guide
03:39 < wgGuest63> Joomla has some great template designs that would fit my needs
03:39 < wgGuest63> and then webgui would be great for faculty
03:40 <@rizen> webgui could do that design quite easily
03:40 <@rizen> for that matter, i've never seen a design that webgui can't do
03:40 < wgGuest63> the faculty webpage is a separate entity, and faculty would love the webgui interface and functionality
03:41 < wgGuest63> however, according to the webui FAQ, I can't coexist apache and mysql on the same server as webgui?
03:41 < wgGuest63> I didnt quite understand that
03:41 <@rizen> actually you can
03:41 <@rizen> could you point me to the faq that says that?
03:43 < wgGuest63> http://www.plainblack.com/community-wiki/wre-installation
03:43 < wgGuest63> Down the page it says make sure apache is not running at sstartup and make sure apache and mysql are not running during install
03:43 <@rizen> ic that's not an faq, but a wiki page
03:44 <@rizen> and the reason that it's saying that is that the WRE comes with it's own apache and MySQL built in
03:44 <@rizen> so you don't need your own mysql and apache
03:44 < wgGuest63> ahhh
03:44 < wgGuest63> thats what I thought
03:44 < wgGuest63> hmmm
03:45 < wgGuest63> I am going to install it on my play server
03:45 < wgGuest63> but webgui matches perfectly for our faculty
03:46 < wgGuest63> and the install seems straight forward
03:46 <@rizen> Incidentally you're not the only college down there running WebGUI
03:46 <@rizen> University of Illinois Chicago already runs WebGUI
03:46 <@rizen> at the Library, and a few other departments
03:47 <@rizen> And so does Wheaton College Library
03:47 < wgGuest63> nice
03:47 < wgGuest63> if I have any questions with the install
03:47 < wgGuest63> can I ask?
03:48 <@rizen> you can certainly ask, but i'm afraid we charge for support...others here though will probably help you for free
03:50 < wgGuest63> thats fine
03:50 < wgGuest63> the instructions seem straight forward
03:50 < wgGuest63> thanks again for your input
03:52 <@rizen> np
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04:34 < wgGuest63> where do you put the US/Central time zone setting in the rc.webgui file?
04:34 < wgGuest63> how would you handle this config settikng?
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05:11 <@preaction> wgGuest63, you need to alter the Visitor user's profile
05:11 <@preaction> nothing to do with rc.webgui
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06:33 < wgGuest63> anyone have problems with AWSTATS?
06:33 < wgGuest63> I have the system installed
06:33 < wgGuest63> but struggling to get the homepage loaded
06:34 < wgGuest63> it continues to complain about the awstats config file
06:34 < wgGuest63> unfortunately, I can't seem to figure this one out
06:40 <@rizen> mv all of the stats related files out of /data/wre/etc until you have your first working site
06:40 <@rizen> screw around with stats later
06:50 < wgGuest63> argh!
06:50 < wgGuest63> I know I'm close here
06:51 < wgGuest63> but I moved all the files out of the /data/wre/etc directory to a backup dir and still no go
06:51 < wgGuest63> it still complains about the awstats config
06:51 < wgGuest63> should I re-install again without the awstats option?
06:52 < wgGuest63> I don't get why its not workingyet
06:54 < wgGuest63> I've installed this almost 10 times
06:54 < wgGuest63> and everything seems to install flawlessl
06:59 < wgGuest63> will try again
06:59 <@rizen> don't know what to tell you...don't have any quick and dirty help
07:00 <@rizen> if you follow the instructions to the letter
07:00 <@rizen> it should "just work"
07:00 < wgGuest63> I probably missed something
07:00 < wgGuest63> I'm going to try it again
07:00 <@rizen> if you want you could try the new technology preview WRE 0.8
07:01 < wgGuest63> very true
07:01 <@rizen> http://www.plainblack.com/downloads/builds/wre/
07:01 < wgGuest63> thanks
07:01 < wgGuest63> I'll try the stable first
07:01 <@rizen> comment out line 41 of wreconsole.pl
07:01 < wgGuest63> when I run the addsite command on the last step, . .. is that the admin site?
07:01 <@rizen> there is no admin site
07:02 <@rizen> each site is a fully functioning version of webgui
07:02 < wgGuest63> hmm
07:02 <@rizen> and completely separate from each other site
07:02 <@rizen> WRE 0.8 has the WRE Console, which is a web based admin panel
07:02 <@rizen> so maybe you read something about that
07:02 <@rizen> and it's confusing you
07:02 < wgGuest63> right. . I might have read it
07:03 < wgGuest63> but with the stable version
07:03 < wgGuest63> if I create one site
07:03 <@rizen> the stable version has no wreconsole.p
07:03 <@rizen> if you add one site
07:03 <@rizen> then that's a working webgui
07:03 < wgGuest63> how would I go about creating multipe sites for faculty, per say?
07:03 <@rizen> that you can publish data to
07:03 <@rizen> you want each faculty member to have a full webgui site?
07:04 <@rizen> or just a section within a big site?
07:04 < wgGuest63> well
07:04 < wgGuest63> I suppose one section each per the one webgui
07:04 <@rizen> then you'd need to log in as admin
07:04 <@rizen> create the user
07:04 <@rizen> create the page
07:04 <@rizen> and assign rights to the page to the user
07:04 <@rizen> or set up a workflow to do that for you
07:05 < wgGuest63> but each of them will want freedom to create their own page layout, color, theme, etc.
07:05 < wgGuest63> is this possible the way you described?
07:05 <@rizen> yes
07:05 <@rizen> every page in the site can have a unique style if that's what you want
07:05 < wgGuest63> once I create lets say user1 and user2
07:06 < wgGuest63> and a page for each
07:06 < wgGuest63> user 1 will be able to modify his page
07:06 < wgGuest63> I'll have to play around with it myself
07:06 < wgGuest63> but faculty usually have more than one page
07:06 <@rizen> rather than going through the hassle of installing it, why not play with this out on demo.webgui.org
07:07 <@rizen> yeah, once they have one page
07:07 <@rizen> they can add additional pages
07:07 <@rizen> under that main page
07:07 < wgGuest63> right
07:07 < wgGuest63> and then I can create a link on my campus website to link to each faculty page
07:07 < wgGuest63> lemme try thisinstall one more time
07:08 <@rizen> if you set it up right, you can actually have webgui keep your faculty page up to date automatically
07:08 <@rizen> so that when you add a new faculty member
07:08 <@rizen> or delete one
07:08 <@rizen> the main page is automatically updated
07:08 < wgGuest63> cool, hold on
07:09 < wgGuest63> (installing . . . )
07:11 < wgGuest63> unpacking webgui
07:11 < wgGuest63> almost done!
07:11 < wgGuest63> =)
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18:06 < ckotil> hrm htmp::template::expr isnt handing my conditionals as I intend it to.
18:07 < ckotil> ?? pastebin
18:08 < ckotil> http://www.pastebin.ca/692077
18:08 < ckotil> nothing too fancey..
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18:19 < ckotil> so i simplified the conditionals. and it works.
18:19 < ckotil> perhaps thats a bug?
18:20 < ckotil> http://pastebin.ca/692095 simplified.
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19:58 < elnino> hi. I have some pages that need to be approved by one manager, and other pages be approved by another. Is there a way to do this? or is this an RFE?
20:02 <@preaction> how are they split? by sections of the site? currently there's no automatic way to do it, but you can choose which workflow your version tag runs under
20:03 <@preaction> so you can make two workflows: Commit With Approval from Manager One, and CWA from Manager Two, and assign different groups to the "Request Approval" workflow activity
20:07 < elnino> so, when a user in a particular group "creates a version tag" is there a way to default which workflow they get? (based on the group they are in?)
20:07 <@preaction> no
20:07 < elnino> oh. so I have to teach them  how to responsibly select the correct approval work flow? =)
20:08 <@preaction> you might want to take a look inside the RequestApproval something something workflow activity
20:08 <@preaction> it's really quite simple, you might be able to hack it yourself
20:09 < elnino> work flow activies scare me.  and make no sense to me. I'm just glad the default ones work.  =)
20:09 <@preaction> i actually wrote one that does what you require, using the RequestApproval as a base, for a client. problem is that it's completely custom for their site (there's no way to alter it to fit anyone's needs, it's a monster)
20:10 <@preaction> might want to post an RFE for a "Request Approval workflow activity with Multiple Approval Groups". it seems I get asked about it a bit
20:11 <@preaction> not sure if it'll pass muster with JT, but it'd be the simplest solution to the problem
20:11 <@preaction> make sure to mention that we shouldn't stop with just one extra User Group to Approval Group relationship, that multiples should be available
20:11 <@preaction> (it'd be a power admin's toy, but it would be very powerful)
20:13 < elnino> thanks! you are very helpful. It looks liek workflows are little more intuitive from the old version I had. I'll see if I can dig around.
20:14 <@preaction> i might just add it to my list, even if JT doesn't approve it, usually he'll take patches if he's coerced about the usefulness of it
20:15 <@preaction> i mean, still make the RFE, but if it's not approved don't give up hope
20:16 <@preaction> i think two new approval activities: one by group as you described, and one by asset lineage (so you can demarcate a section of your site to be under the control of certain users) will work out splendidly
20:20 < elnino> ok. I'll create an rfe. Thanks!  ANother question. I have 7.3.22 and we're planning on going live this friday. Would it be advisable to upgrade to the latest stable?  I'm hoping there aren't any nasty surprises....
20:20 <@preaction> 7.3.22 is the latest stable
20:20 <@preaction> 7.4 is still in beta, afaik on-track to release stable this week or next
20:27 < elnino> So, I have another question. I'm the "admin" user of webgui, and all the pages on the site are owned by me.  is this the typical setup? or should the pages be owned by the group that can modify it?
20:28 < elnino> what would the pros and cons be?
20:30 < elnino> rfe made.
20:30 <@preaction> assets are owned by a single user, that user is allowed (usually) to edit that asset (i believe, even if they aren't in the group that allows editing)
20:30 <@preaction> i'm not really too sure about owner, since it usually  never comes up 
20:30 <@preaction> i'd imagine though, it's mostly used for things like Posts to collab systems
20:30 <@preaction> or Events
20:30 <@preaction> user-posted content
20:44 < elnino> yep, the owner has full editing rights regardless of edit group. Just wondierng if my setup is typical? or if people take the time to give the ownership of pages to other groups other than admin. no biggy, just curious.
20:48 <@preaction> it's typical except for the user-posted content like Events and Posts/Threads
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20:52 < elnino> ok. glad I'm typical. =)
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22:51 < dionak> quick, easy question...i have a list of userIds in a template. How do I get the username for each userId? The userName macro just gets the logged in user according to the wiki...
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22:51 < dionak> sounds easy anyways..
22:52 < rizenisaway> you would need to write a macro that looks up the username based upon user id
22:52 < dionak> ok..cool. thanks
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16:57 < ckotil> <3 webgui
16:57 < knowmad> awwww :)
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17:03 <@rizen> sweet...did it do something particularly kick ass for you?
17:07 <@rizen> how's bithznethz knowmad?
17:07 < ckotil> yeah, the templating system
17:08 < ckotil> html::template::expr in particular
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17:09 <@rizen> ah yes...our design staff is particularly fond of that
17:10 <@rizen> i just like that the templating system can scale with your needs/skill level
17:10 <@rizen> noob = H:T
17:10 <@rizen> some xp = H:T:E
17:10 <@rizen> power user = TT
17:11 < ckotil> tho i wasnt able to combine conditionals with || &&.
17:11 <@rizen> you can do that with TT
17:11 < ckotil> oh, i see
17:11 <@rizen> TT is pretty much a full on programming language
17:11 <@rizen> you can inline perl code right into it
17:11 < ckotil> awsome.
17:12 <@rizen> but it's too challenging for most users, that's why we start everybody with H:T
17:12 < ckotil> I can see that being very useful
17:15 <@rizen> it's not too shabby
17:16 <@rizen> ckotil, were you planning on coming to the WUC?
17:17 <@rizen> the reason i bring it up is that our director of operations told me yesterday that there's only a few seats left. for the first time in history we're probably going to sell all our available seats
17:17 <@rizen> so if you want one, you should sign up soon
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17:43 < ckotil> No, thanks though.
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18:03 < xootom> hi, very much looking forward to 7.4.6 and 7.5, can anyone hint at when they might be available?
18:03 <@rizen> 7.4.6 will come out today
18:03 <@rizen> 7.5 will come out when it does
18:03 < xootom> ah lovely, thanks
18:04 < xootom> np :)
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19:13 < knowmad> hey rizen, bithznethz is good. we're working on redoing our website packages to all incorporate WebGUI (except an ecommerce offering that uses another product)
19:14 < knowmad> how about you guys
19:32 <@rizen> quite good actually
19:32 <@rizen> we're busy working out the details for some new products and services that we'll be offering starting at the wuc
19:33 <@rizen> and we also have some pretty high profile organizations that we're working out contracts for
19:34 <@rizen> is the other system "OS Commerce"?
19:34 < knowmad> no. we're using CS-Cart
19:34 < knowmad> glad to hear you're keeping busy. i assumed as much seeing the job postings going up
19:34 < knowmad> i look forward to hearing about the new stuff at the WUC
19:35 <@rizen> hmmm...haven't heard of cs cart
19:35 <@rizen> hopefully the new features i'm working on, which i'll show a small demo of at the wuc will be enough to eliminate the need for cs cart
19:36 < knowmad> I'd be so happy if you can pull that off
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19:37 < knowmad> It's just hard for a universal CMS to be as competent as a package which is devoted to that one concept (e.g., shopping cart, blogging)
19:37 <@rizen> it won't be until early next year before you'll be able to use the new commerce features
19:37 <@rizen> oh yeah, i know that
19:37 < knowmad> i'm just glad to hear they are coming!
19:38 <@rizen> i hope to suprize everyone a bit when we come out with the new commerce stuff
19:38 < knowmad> on the other hand, folks probably use 25-50% of the features of these devoted pkgs
19:38 <@rizen> actually...it's funny you say that
19:38 < knowmad> so if WebGUI can do the main features, we can customize the special stuff
19:38 < knowmad> I like surprises :)
19:38 < knowmad> well, good ones anyhow
19:38 <@rizen> one of our internal development goals is for webgui to have the most used 50% of features in any given category that it competes in
19:39 <@rizen> we figure that the last 50% are so specialized, that they likely aren't worth the bang/buck
19:39 < knowmad> Nice! That's a lofty goal.
19:39 < knowmad> have you identified the apps you are competing with in each of the Assets?
19:39 < knowmad> is that open to discussion?
19:39 <@rizen> because, as you state, it's nearly impossible for a general purpose tool to compete with a specialized one
19:40 <@rizen> we have for some of them
19:40 <@rizen> CS = phpBB
19:40 <@rizen> and i think we have the 50% covered there
19:40 <@rizen> and then some
19:40 <@rizen> wiki = mediawiki
19:40 <@rizen> we have a ways to go
19:41 < knowmad> unfortunately, i have to agree with that
19:41 <@rizen> but we only just introduced our wiki
19:41 <@rizen> they've been around for ever
19:41 < knowmad> i'd love to start using the wiki for our internal docs but need some features like more refined permissions control per entry
19:41 < knowmad> yeah, and it's getting better
19:41 <@rizen> yeah, the 7.4 wiki is a very usable wiki, though not feature rich
19:42 <@rizen> for commerce our 50% goal is measured against OS Commerce
19:42 <@rizen> arguably the leader in the shopping cart arena
19:42 < knowmad> i've not used OS Commerce. it's prob similar to CS-cart and X-Cart
19:44 <@rizen> my goal is to reach our 50% commerce goal by the end of 2008
19:45 <@rizen> the calendar is really starting to get close too
19:45 <@rizen> it only needs the list view, and subscriptions and we're there
19:45 <@rizen> of course "there" is a dynamic thing
19:46 <@rizen> people are always adding new features
19:50 < knowmad> great. what are you comparing calendar to?
19:53 <@rizen> calcium
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19:54 <@rizen> at some point we may need to update our views and compare it to something like google calendars, or phpGroupware, or evite....something that has resource scheduling and event planning capabilities
19:55 <@rizen> but for now, we're just trying to make the best event calendar we can make
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21:32 < knowmad> hey, rizen. sorry to fall off. had a client call.
21:32 < knowmad> then lunch was calling
21:33 < knowmad> I like your ideas of making the calendar work for resource scheduling and event planning.
22:14 < xootom> is it possible to change the url the user is sent to after they have confirmed their account via email? by default the url contains the place they started registering from, so short of making the site's registration link point to a page preceeding the actual registration, then having different assets for 'registered users' on this page. can I override the url in the confirm email?
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23:25 <+MrHairgrease> weirdness
23:25 <+MrHairgrease> if you paste this code into the description of a page
23:26 <+MrHairgrease> apche will jump to 100% processor and eat up your machine
23:26 <+MrHairgrease> http://99-bottles-of-beer.net/language-perl-737.html
23:26 <+MrHairgrease> my guess is it's doin something with macro's
23:28 <@preaction> that's crazy talk there
23:28 <+MrHairgrease> but it does run
23:29 <+MrHairgrease> it's an amazing piece of code
23:31 <@preaction> indeed
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00:36 <@preaction> i haven't seen colin around in a while
00:37 <+MrHairgrease> i was thinking the same when I just joined the channel today
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00:37 <@preaction> i'm writing some tests for that code you pasted to try to debug why and ensure it doesn't ever become a problem again, and i was thinking about some changes to the structure of our tests
00:38 <@preaction> wanted to run it by him... hum...
00:38 <@rizen> colin hasn't been around for a while because he injured himself
00:38 <@rizen> so instead of coding time
00:39 <@rizen> he has therapy time
00:39 <+MrHairgrease> injured?
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00:39 <+MrHairgrease> will he be at the wuc?
00:40 <@rizen> yes he'll be there
00:40 <+MrHairgrease> ok
00:40 <+MrHairgrease> that's good
00:41 <@preaction> my test succeeds, but it takes a few seconds in the test environment.
00:41 <@rizen> yo mamma
00:42 <@preaction> during which, i imagine, the process is 100% cpu
00:42 <@preaction> or not... weird
00:43 <@preaction> maybe it's because there's only the weird text itself, and not a page style around it
00:46 <@preaction> there are five macros that get opened in that string, and only one of them gets closed, so the processor i assume keeps going until it reaches the end of the text. the problem is the regex recursion, since it's one regex, it's causing that intensive loop
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02:11 < xootom> is password recovery with email address working for other people?
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02:14 < cap10morgan> Am I correct in assuming that the HTTP proxy wobject can't handle redirects from the thing it's proxying?
02:30 < cap10morgan> oh, no, it seems i am not. the code is there, but something's not working, hmm...
02:31 <@rizen> do you have follow redirects turned on
02:31 <@rizen> in the http proxy
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02:47 < xootom> if I set allow password recovery to email address, there is no password recovery form on my site, what could be breaking it?
02:48 < xootom> with user profile fields is ok though
02:50 <@preaction> xootom, what version? there were some necessary fixes to the system, and a complete overhaul in 7.4
02:52 < xootom> 7.4.5, i've just tried with another site on the same wre/webgui though which is ok
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03:05 < xootom> doesnt seem to be a template problem
03:09 <@rizen> i doubt it's a bug since it works on plainblack.com
03:12 < xootom> yeah it works on my server on other instances of the site too
03:12 < xootom> the form is just missing though on my main site
03:16 <@preaction> there were changes to the form, are you using the default template?
03:17 < xootom> yeah and compared it with a working site, its the same
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03:44 < xootom> strange, I think I'll have to abandon it for today, in the WebGUI auth in sub emailRecoverPassword it's rendering hidden fields and the form, but the text, email and submit elements aren't coming through
03:46 < xootom> could it be conflicting with my utility interface template's login form i wonder
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06:00 < cap10morgan> rizen: yeah, i have follow redirects on (sorry, just saw your response)
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15:34 < knowmad> can anyone enlighten me about using session scratch to store stuff?
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16:41 <@rizen> $session->scratch->set("x", "here's my data");
16:42 <@rizen> scratch variables persist for the duration of the session
16:42 <@rizen> so until the user logs out, or is logged out by session time out
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17:45 < ckotil> then is it <tmpl_var x> to call on it?
17:48 <@rizen> to call on what?
17:48 <@rizen> scratch variables?
17:56 < knowmad> ok, thanks rizen. i'm actually on a different course b/c like ckotil points out, i'm not sure how to grab it back out. 
17:57 < knowmad> plus i need to grab it back on a per-user basis while iterating over a loop in the InOutBoard wobject. it makes more sense to set the profile field during login.
17:58 < knowmad> are you guys using the runOnLogin config option? I've got a post to the support forum about it. I don't see how it works because it looks like it's using the macro module to process the command.
17:58 <@rizen> runOnLogin is being used by one of our clients
17:58 <@rizen> $session->scratch->get("x) is how you get it back out
17:58 < knowmad> good. so it does work.
17:59 <@rizen> $session->scratch->get("x")
17:59 < knowmad> but how would that work inside the loop in InOutBoard where i'm iterating over many users. i'd have to instantiate new sessions for each user to get their scratch setting wouldn't I?
18:00 <@rizen> yes
18:00 <@rizen> if you were trying to set it on each user's session
18:00 < knowmad> with >50 users, that sounds slow
18:00 <@rizen> assuming they even have sessions
18:00 < knowmad> that's a good point as well
18:00 < knowmad> that's why i'm thinking using the runOnLogin script to set a profile value
18:01 <@rizen> perhaps you should just tell me what you're trying to do
18:01 < knowmad> i just don't know what's coming into that script when it is called.
18:01 <@rizen> the end result
18:01 < knowmad> end result is to set a phone ext for each user as they login
18:01 < knowmad> each day the user may be at a different extension and we need to show that info in the inout board
18:02 <@rizen> so how could you use runOnLogin to do that?
18:02 < knowmad> it's working with a profile field but changing it is a pain, esp since they do not allow users to alter their profiles which means an admin would have to do it
18:02 < knowmad> i could use a script to take an extra form param from the login form and set the profile field
18:02 <@rizen> nope
18:03 <@rizen> the form data isn't being sent to the runOnLogin command
18:03 < knowmad> if session obj is passed to script, i could use session->form->param(). or maybe not....
18:03 <@rizen> you can't pass an object to a script
18:03 < knowmad> then i could pass it in on a command line via FormParam macro?
18:03 <@rizen> think about it
18:03 < knowmad> yeah, i see...
18:03 < knowmad> about passing an object
18:04 < knowmad> to be honest, i don't see how that script is getting called
18:04 <@rizen> the script gets called like this:
18:04 < knowmad> it looks like it's using the macro utility to do it and the macros do receive objects
18:04 <@rizen> here: /path/to/script ^@; ^whatever; ^somemacro;
18:05 <@rizen> it is'nt sending objects
18:05 <@rizen> it's sending strings
18:05 <@rizen> so your script needs to read those from ARGV
18:05 <@rizen> and the command string
18:05 <@rizen> is what you put in the config file
18:06 <@rizen> macros and all
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18:06 < knowmad> so i should use the _utility.skeleton to base my script on
18:06 <@rizen> yup
18:07 < knowmad> do you think using the FormParam macro will work?
18:07 <@rizen> provided that you customize your login form to add the extra value
18:07 <@rizen> then yyes
18:07 < knowmad> great. i'll let you know how it goes
18:08 < knowmad> so can you tell me why the WebGUI::Macro::process method is used to call the command? i'd think that it would process a Macro instead of execute a command.
18:09 < knowmad> see WebGUI::Auth.pm line 678
18:10 < knowmad> the comment in WebGUI::Macro.pm says: "Runs all the WebGUI macros to and replaces them in the HTML with their output."
18:10 < knowmad> what does that mean?
18:11 < knowmad> ohh, i see, it's how you replace the macro with the output in the command string
18:11 < knowmad> still, it looks like there's a typo in the comment
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19:03 < dionak> does anyone know of any plans to work on the inbox? I'm looking into this feature and am curious if work is already going on in this area...
19:03 <@rizen> 7.4 and 7.5 both have improvements to the inbox
19:04 <@rizen> 7.4 has a whole new interface as well as private messaging
19:04 <@rizen> 7.5 adds a friends system, so you can easily send messages back and forth between friends
19:05 < dionak> i've noticed...the private messaging but i didn't see the messages between friends. i'm looking at the source in svn...
19:05 < dionak> i need to be able to delete messages and i created a test for WebGUI::Inbox. 
19:06 < dionak> i have delete working btw. 
19:06 < dionak> where do i find the messages between friends?
19:07 <@rizen> it's not in svn yet cuz we haven't branched for 7.5 yet
19:07 < dionak> oh, ok. is there a timeline in place? 
19:07 <@rizen> incidentally, i won't accept the delete code unless it simply marks the message deleted, and doesn't display it
19:07 <@rizen> it can't actually delete the message
19:08 < dionak> that would be my preference but i'm currently using the delete method that existed. are you planning to make an inbox look like any existing mail application? 
19:08 < dionak> i could change the code to set status = 'deleted' if that's acceptable
19:08 <@rizen> yup, that's fine
19:08 < dionak> cool
19:09 <@rizen> the look and feel of the inbox as it is in 7.4 is the only change we have planned for the short term
19:09 <@rizen> longer term we plan on building a whole new account management screen set
19:09 <@rizen> including the inbox
19:10 <@rizen> but i don't know what version that would be
19:10 < dionak> i'd be happy to contribute to the inbox if that's useful. 
19:10 <@rizen> we're always up for contributions. simply document what you want to change, and email it to me.
19:11 < dionak> ok, will do. thanks
19:11 <@rizen> then once we're branched for 7.5 you can start checking in your changes
19:11 < dionak> gotcha
19:11 <@rizen> does anyone here know how to use Parse::RecDescent
19:12 <@rizen> i'm having a hard time with it
19:12 < dionak> knowmad is pretty familiar with that...
19:12 <@rizen> knowmad, r u around?
19:13 < knowmad> hey rizen, what's up?
19:13 < knowmad> ahh, recdescent. that's a fun module!
19:13 <@rizen> i'm trying to learn it
19:14 <@rizen> so i've created a custom config file format for screwing around with
19:14 < knowmad> yeah, it's a mind bender
19:14 <@rizen> and i've started writing my grammar
19:14 <@rizen> but it doesn't work
19:14 < knowmad> but it's awesome when you get it working
19:14 <@rizen> here's the perl
19:14 <@rizen> http://rafb.net/p/LZjqLB48.html
19:14 < knowmad> you read my mind :)
19:14 < knowmad> what about the config file?
19:14 <@rizen> here's the config
19:14 <@rizen> http://rafb.net/p/BB3sAo80.html
19:15 <@rizen> i just recently made a change that makes it so it won't even run
19:15 <@rizen> let me remove that and paste again
19:16 <@rizen> ok, new code: http://rafb.net/p/RBuIbh56.html
19:16 <@rizen> and here's the output i'm getting: http://rafb.net/p/2cNy2d22.html
19:17 <@rizen> i'm getting the data just fine
19:17 <@rizen> but i want the structure to include the directives too...like a hash reference, so i know what the data represents
19:17 < knowmad> i'm running it local
19:20 < knowmad> there are callbacks you can run when matching to grab that info
19:20 < knowmad> i've got a lunch mtg to get to but can find an example for you when i get back in around 3ish
19:20 <@rizen> thanks
19:20 < knowmad> i'll im when i get back to see where you get
19:20 < knowmad> you'll prob. figure it out while i'm out ;)
19:20 <@rizen> i'm probably going to have to give up
19:21 <@rizen> i don't really have enough time to do this right now
19:21 < knowmad> leave it and i'll get back to you this afternoon
19:43 < dionak> jt, do you have a guesstimate on the branch for 7.5? 
19:44 <@rizen> when all the bugs on the bug list for 7.4 are gone
19:44 <@rizen> hopefully next week
19:45 <@rizen> but that's really up to Haarg and the rest of the community
19:45 < dionak> ok, thanks. 
19:45 < dionak> where is the bug list?
19:45 <@rizen> webgui.org/bugs
19:45 <@rizen> exclude any plainblack.com, and wre bugs
19:45 <@rizen> the only ones that matter for stable are WebGUI bugs
19:46 < dionak> ok. how do you make sure people aren't working on the same thing?
19:46 < dionak> or do you?
19:48 <@rizen> the tradition is that while you're working on a bug you reply to it and say you're working on it
19:48 <@rizen> and then you reply again when you're no longer working
19:48 < dionak> cool. thanks. 
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22:38 < knowmad> rizen, yt?
22:39 < knowmad> i've got something for you to play with.
22:40 < knowmad> http://rafb.net/p/cpSFb868.html
22:40 < cap10morgan> anyone know of someone working on adding OpenID authentication to WebGUI?
22:41 < knowmad> yeah, there's a post in add ons for it
22:41 < cap10morgan> oh yeah?
22:41 < cap10morgan> groovy
22:41 < knowmad> and it sounds pretty complete. i'm hoping for a project to be able to try it myself.
22:42 < cap10morgan> yeah, i've got one now, so this is good news. :) thanks knowmad
22:42 < knowmad> but none so far. please post a reply to the guy if you try it.
22:42 < cap10morgan> for sure
22:42 < knowmad> yes, it's always a joy to find out that someone else has done the dirty work for you :)
22:42 < cap10morgan> no doubt
22:42 < knowmad> maybe you can help me
22:43 < knowmad> i need to update a user profile field from an external script
22:43 < knowmad> assuming i have a user object, any suggestions for what to use to do this?
22:44 <@rizen> if you have a user object then you just call the profileField method
22:44 <@rizen> $user->profileField("email", 'me@you.com');
22:45 <@rizen> thanks for the code
22:45 <@rizen> i'll take a look
22:45 < knowmad> yeah, hope it works out. i'm sure you'll figure out how to get the output you need
22:46 <@rizen> ohly crap
22:46 <@rizen> it just works
22:47 < knowmad> :)
22:47 <@rizen> i've been playing with the return strings now for quite a while
22:47 < knowmad> RD is like that! Hats off to Damian.
22:47 <@rizen> and got close, but still not right
22:47 <@rizen> i don't understand why yours works though
22:47 <@rizen> you're creating strings
22:48 <@rizen> is the return value supposed to be a string?
22:48 <@rizen> oh wait
22:48 < knowmad> that's my understanding but to be honest i grabbed that code from an old script I wrote and plugged it in. let me send you a bunch of url's i used while developing it
22:48 <@rizen> nevermind, yours isn't working
22:48 <@rizen> yours is just returning strings
22:48 < knowmad> i thought that was strange that you'd want it in that format
22:49 <@rizen> not an actual hash
22:49 <@rizen> no, what i want is for it to create a hash
22:49 < knowmad> i suspect you can change that behavior
22:49 <@rizen> i'm sure i can, but it's going to take a lot more dinking around
22:49 < knowmad> lemme pull the POD
22:50 <@rizen> i can get it to the point where it gives me an array of hash references
22:50 <@rizen> which i suppose i can then just merge into a giant hash
22:51 < knowmad> but that'd take addt'l work outside of the parser 
22:52 < knowmad> there's a way to populate a hash as you parse. hold on a sec...
22:53 <@rizen> i've got it working, now, but through a total jury rig
22:53 <@rizen> i'm sure there is a better way to do it
22:55 <@rizen> here's my code that works
22:55 <@rizen> http://rafb.net/p/PG2fo869.html
22:55 <@rizen> and the output: http://rafb.net/p/Vd52EQ26.html
22:55 <@rizen> but i'm cheating cuz i'm using an external hash
22:56 <@rizen> rather than the data structure created by Parse::RecDescent
22:57 < knowmad> ok, got somethin
22:57 < knowmad> but you beat me to the punch
22:58 <@rizen> so you're using an external hash too?
22:58 < knowmad> and i see that you break out value and units in yours
22:58 < knowmad> yes, an external hash that gets populated via the parser
22:58 < knowmad> wanna see the code?
22:58 <@rizen> sure
22:58 <@rizen> isn't that cheating though?
22:58 <@rizen> or is that the way you're supposed to do it?
22:59 < knowmad> http://rafb.net/p/fmb1Dt34.html
22:59 < knowmad> using an external hash?
22:59 <@rizen> yeah?
22:59 <@rizen> shouldn't we be using the data structure that the parser creates?
22:59 < knowmad> i don't see why it's cheating but I'm no PRD expert
23:00 <@preaction> parser doesn't really create a structure. it can modify text in-place if you give it a scalar-ref instead of a scalar
23:00 < knowmad> check out this - http://search.cpan.org/~dconway/Parse-RecDescent-1.94/lib/Parse/RecDescent.pod#Autoactions
23:00 <@preaction> it's weird, i just got into it yesterday
23:01 <@preaction> had to use local for the first time ever (at least, proper use of local)
23:01 <@rizen> it does create a structure preaction
23:01 <@preaction> oh, hmm
23:01 < knowmad> his example shows using the code blocks (though not an external data structure)
23:01 <@rizen> if you do Dumper($parser->parse) it outputs an array ref
23:01 <@preaction> ohhh that's what $return is
23:01 <@rizen> right
23:01 <@preaction> dur, that would work far better than what i was doing for the macros
23:02 < knowmad> are there methods that can be called on the object?
23:02 < knowmad> but return is just a string
23:02 < knowmad> actually i take that back
23:02 < knowmad> looking at the POD he shows examples of return returnings an array. so i guess it could also return a hashref which is essentially what i did in my latest code example.
23:03 <@preaction> rizen, fyi: the few benchmarks i've been able to complete (hard to do due to Out Of Memory errors) say that with just one macro containing one nested macro, PRD is 25% faster
23:03 <@preaction> with 7 of those macros in the same text, it's almost 1000% faster
23:03 <@rizen> yeah, but i want to see it inside of a bunch of HTML
23:03 <@rizen> that's the true benchmark
23:04 <@rizen> if you just take the output of a default site
23:04 <@rizen> and run it on that
23:04 <@preaction> i can only do a few hundred iterations, but i'll assemble a style from a demo
23:05 <@rizen> incidentally Haarg wrote one using a different kind of regex that was also 1000% faster
23:05 <@preaction> nice
23:05 <@rizen> however, his didnt' take into account macros that output macro code
23:05 <@rizen> like when you call ^AssetProxy();
23:05 <@rizen> that might output macros
23:05 <@rizen> does yours take care of that?
23:06 <@Haarg> mine could do that, i just haven't written it to do so yet
23:06 <@preaction> i'm not sure, i just call the parser to parse nested macros
23:06 <@preaction> i don't think it does for a couple cases yet
23:06 <@rizen> I know Haarg, but your benchmarks don't include that
23:07 <@rizen> it's all well and good to say that A outperforms B by 1000%. But if A and B aren't doing the same thing then it's not a very good test
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23:07 <@Haarg> yeah
23:07 <+MrHairgrease> rizen
23:07 <@rizen> mhg
23:08 <@Haarg> i'm pretty sure it would still be significantly faster
23:08 <+MrHairgrease> it is true that importAssetData is not being called if you extend it in a wobject?
23:08 <@rizen> i'm not saying it wouldn't
23:08 <@rizen> and i hope it is
23:08 <@rizen> just like i hope preaction's is
23:08 <@preaction> i've got a benchmark script, but it seems to destroy sites
23:08 <+MrHairgrease> maybe i'm just fucking up
23:09 <@preaction> (probably because of the OOM errors and not being able to properly rollback)
23:09 <@rizen> well you have to do $self->SUPER::importAssetData(@_);
23:09 <+MrHairgrease> but i'm trying to fix roys memory wobject so that it also exports some collateral data
23:09 <@rizen> are you doing that?
23:09 <+MrHairgrease> i did that
23:09 <@rizen> well then it should be
23:10 <+MrHairgrease> the thing is that I put a whole bunch of warns in there to monitor what it's doing
23:10 <+MrHairgrease> and they're not showing up in the logs
23:10 <@rizen> did you restart apache afterward?
23:10 <+MrHairgrease> nor does some table get updated
23:10 <+MrHairgrease> yeah
23:10 <+MrHairgrease> but
23:10 <+MrHairgrease> let me try again
23:12 <+MrHairgrease> hmm
23:12 <+MrHairgrease> still doesn't work
23:13 <+MrHairgrease> I get some weird errors though
23:13 < cap10morgan> is there a way to manually reset a webgui user's password in the db? i've tried setting it to the output of md5(password), old_password(password), and password(password), but no luck
23:13 < cap10morgan> (the identifier field in the authentication table)
23:13 <+MrHairgrease> 2007/09/13 22:11:25 - ERROR - dev2.conf - Log::Log4perl::Layout::PatternLayout::render[[undef]] - Could not set uid/gid on '/data/domains/dev2/public/uploads/4-/lH/4-lHDT_qzyaWK3X
23:13 <+MrHairgrease> vdlH-tQ/thumb-roy.png
23:13 <+MrHairgrease> but that file is there _with_ the right privs
23:14 <+MrHairgrease> somehow WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Memory->importAssetData is not called
23:14 <+MrHairgrease> or so it seems
23:14 <+MrHairgrease> oh crap
23:15 <+MrHairgrease> I think i found it
23:15 <+MrHairgrease> 197         my $asset = $assets{$data->{properties}{parentId}} || $self;
23:15 <+MrHairgrease> 198         my $newAsset = $asset->importAssetData($data);
23:15 <+MrHairgrease> so importAssetData is called on another asset than the one that is being imported
23:15 <+MrHairgrease> right?
23:16 <+MrHairgrease> it is
23:16 <+MrHairgrease> the parent asset to be precise
23:17 <+MrHairgrease> so the importAssetData method is called on the wrong asset
23:17 <+MrHairgrease> or maybe not the wrong
23:17 <+MrHairgrease> but in a way that I cannot extend it
23:17 <@rizen> you can extend it
23:17 <@rizen> if you couldn't then you wouldn't be able to import images
23:18 <@rizen> which are an extension of a file
23:18 <@rizen> oh, but nevermind
23:18 <+MrHairgrease> hmm
23:18 <@rizen> that doesn't override anything
23:18 <@rizen> it just inherits
23:18 <+MrHairgrease> yeah
23:18 <+MrHairgrease> that's what i mean
23:18 <+MrHairgrease> but let me check it out to be sure
23:19 <+MrHairgrease> Image assets don't have the method
23:19 <+MrHairgrease> oh
23:19 <+MrHairgrease> thta was what you were saying
23:20 <+MrHairgrease> actually
23:20 <+MrHairgrease> ont AssetPackage.pm has it
23:21 <+MrHairgrease> exporting collateral data works great by the
23:21 <+MrHairgrease> exportAssetData is extendible
23:22 <@rizen> i don't understand why is import not extendible?
23:23 <@rizen> oh
23:23 <@rizen> nevermind
23:23 <@rizen> it's the same reason that when you call www_add
23:23 <@rizen> you're calling it on the parent
23:23 <+MrHairgrease> yeah
23:23 <@rizen> the asset doesn't exist yet
23:23 <@rizen> so why do you need to extend it?
23:23 <+MrHairgrease> b/c
23:23 <@rizen> if www_add works, then so should import
23:24 <+MrHairgrease> the memory asset has images for the memory cards
23:24 <+MrHairgrease> and stores them in a table called MemoryImage
23:24 <+MrHairgrease> teh images are in storage locations
23:24 <+MrHairgrease> exporting and importing the images themselves work fine
23:25 <+MrHairgrease> but inserting the correct rows in that table must be done from importassetdata
23:25 <+MrHairgrease> and no
23:25 <+MrHairgrease> www_add is called on the parent
23:25 <@rizen> that's what i said
23:25 <+MrHairgrease> which call geteditform on the to be created asset
23:25 <+MrHairgrease> so ther you can do your magick
23:25 <+MrHairgrease> not in add
23:26 <@rizen> ok, so the problem here is that you have collateral data
23:26 <+MrHairgrease> yeah
23:26 <@rizen> and the import system doesn't account for that
23:26 <+MrHairgrease> apparently
23:26 <+MrHairgrease> however
23:27 <+MrHairgrease> it's perfectly possible to export collateral data into apckage
23:27 <+MrHairgrease> a package*
23:27 <+MrHairgrease> you just cannot import it again
23:27 <+MrHairgrease> which kind of defies the purpous of being able to export it =)
23:27 <@rizen> right
23:28 <@rizen> so add a method to WebGUI::AssetPackage called importAssetCollateralData
23:28 <@rizen> make it empty by default
23:28 <+MrHairgrease> that would work
23:28 <@rizen> and have it called on the newly imported asset
23:28 <+MrHairgrease> yeah
23:28 <@rizen> you have my blessing to do so and add it to svn
23:28 <+MrHairgrease> ok
23:28 <+MrHairgrease> will do
23:29 <+MrHairgrease> there's also another bug i found
23:29 <+MrHairgrease> by default JSON will return objects called JSON::NotString (ort something like that) in the datastructures returned by JSON::jsonToObj
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23:30 <+MrHairgrease> which will cause the import to die
23:30 <+MrHairgrease> the fix is setting this before you convert the datasturcture
23:30 < knowmad> rizen, here's my refactored version of a RD parser using the built-in $return object --> http://rafb.net/p/scUEbb94.html
23:30 <+MrHairgrease> $JSON::UnMapping = 1;
23:31 <@rizen> mhg: that fix won't cause any other problems anywhere?
23:31 <+MrHairgrease> I have no idea
23:31 <+MrHairgrease> but we can set it back
23:31 <+MrHairgrease> what it does is
23:31 <+MrHairgrease> return null as undef true as 1
23:31 <+MrHairgrease> and false a zero
23:32 <+MrHairgrease> in stead of JSON::NoStriong objects
23:32 <+MrHairgrease> if you don't do it webgui will complain like this:
23:32 <+MrHairgrease> 2007/09/13 12:47:43 - WARN - dev2.conf - Log::Log4perl::Logger::__ANON__[41] - Couldn't call method importPackage on asset for url: root Root cause: Operation "eq": no method foun
23:32 <+MrHairgrease> d,
23:32 <+MrHairgrease>         left argument in overloaded package JSON::NotString,
23:32 <+MrHairgrease>         right argument has no overloaded magic at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm line 2097.
23:33 <+MrHairgrease> this was caused by an undef synopsis field
23:33 <@rizen> knowmad, thanks, but i did that before
23:33 <@rizen> you'll note that isn't the same output
23:33 <@rizen> it's creating an array of hashreferences
23:34 <@rizen> i c
23:34 <@rizen> in that case, do it mhg
23:34 <+MrHairgrease> ok
23:34 <+MrHairgrease> but first
23:34 <+MrHairgrease> im gonna have dinner
23:34 <+MrHairgrease> it's 22:30 over here
23:35 <+MrHairgrease> and I'm getting hungry =)
23:35 <@rizen> hehe
23:35 <@rizen> have a beer too
23:35 <+MrHairgrease> I already have
23:35 <@rizen> but don't hack webgui druknk
23:35 <@rizen> drunk
23:35 <+MrHairgrease> no worries
23:36 <+MrHairgrease> I prolly don't have time before monday
23:36 <+MrHairgrease> ok
23:36 <+MrHairgrease> see you
23:39 <@Haarg> that fix with $JSON::UnMapping is already in
23:39 <+MrHairgrease> ok
23:39 <+MrHairgrease> cool
23:39 <+MrHairgrease> bye
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23:39 <@rizen> Haarg rules
23:44 < knowmad> rizen, can i see your solution?
23:46 <@rizen> sure, but it's pretty much the same as before: http://rafb.net/p/mbbxV466.html
23:46 <@rizen> although one of your examples did teach me the cool rulevar directive
23:47 < knowmad> cool. it's different than the version you posted before lunch.
23:47 <@rizen> oh
23:47 <@rizen> sorry, about 3pm ish when you came back i posted it again
23:47 < knowmad> musta missed it
23:47 <@rizen> i must not have caught your attention though
23:48 <@rizen> it's cool that you can write your own little programming language with Parse::RecDescent
23:48 <@rizen> i'm starting to wonder why more modules don't use it
23:48 < knowmad> yeah, it's a fascinating module
23:48 <@rizen> i'd think that template toolkit and HTML::Template would be faster if they were written using it
23:49 < knowmad> i don't know what the overhead is for using it. seems like i saw some discussion about that somewhere.
23:50 <@rizen> thanks for your help btw
23:50 < knowmad> yw
23:50 <@rizen> the reason i started learning this is because at perl mongers tonight i'm doing a talk on using perl for system adminstration
23:50 <@rizen> and there are lots of config file parsers out there
23:50 < knowmad> it was a fun challenge and i don't use PRD enough in my day-to-day work
23:51 <@rizen> but i wanted to show them what they could do if they couldn't find one to parse some config they come across
23:51 <@rizen> yeah...it's not something