--- Log opened Sun Jul 01 00:00:49 2007 00:14 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [Excess Flood] 00:26 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #webgui 00:26 -!- mode/#webgui [+v MrHairgrease] by ChanServ 00:35 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has left #webgui [] 04:52 <+Radix_> Anyone about? 04:53 <+Radix_> dw 05:00 <+Radix_> 2007/07/01 09:57:39 - WARN - mycompany.com.conf - main::[[undef]] - Couldn't call method edit on asset for url: style/read/templates/read-navigation-template Root cause: Can't locate object method "new" via package "HTMLTemplate" (perhaps you forgot to load "HTMLTemplate"?) at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Template.pm line 252. 05:01 <+Radix_> happens whenever I try and edit a navigation template I'd created.. yet if I keep clicking on edit then it eventually works and opens it fine 05:28 -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@206-124-31-140.denver.dsl.forethought.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:34 -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@206-124-31-140.denver.dsl.forethought.net] has joined #webgui 06:32 -!- SDuensin_ [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has joined #WebGUI 06:39 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:48 -!- SDuensin_ is now known as SDuensin 12:44 -!- tichy [n=dirk@78.52.225.113] has joined #webgui 12:54 < tichy> Could not set uid/gid on '/var/www/domains/rab2/uploads/temp/qy/qySOEpf2dOLv1rEeorBPZg/ZheCfsFTMBtiBlSe-oDoAw.storage' 12:55 < tichy> whenn uploading a webui packages, but permissions seem to be right 13:23 -!- tichy43 [n=dirk@78.52.224.25] has joined #webgui 13:23 -!- tichy43 [n=dirk@78.52.224.25] has quit [Client Quit] 13:23 -!- tichy43 [n=dirk@78.52.224.25] has joined #webgui 13:40 -!- tichy [n=dirk@78.52.225.113] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:31 -!- tichy43 [n=dirk@78.52.224.25] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] 17:49 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 20:43 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #webgui 20:43 -!- mode/#webgui [+v MrHairgrease] by ChanServ 20:44 <+MrHairgrease> rizen 20:44 <+MrHairgrease> are you there? 20:55 -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@206-124-31-140.denver.dsl.forethought.net] has quit [] 20:57 -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@206-124-31-140.denver.dsl.forethought.net] has joined #webgui 21:13 -!- cap10morgan_ [n=wmorgan@206-124-31-140.denver.dsl.forethought.net] has joined #webgui 21:13 -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@206-124-31-140.denver.dsl.forethought.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:14 <@rizen> now i am 21:15 -!- cap10morgan_ is now known as cap10morgan 21:15 <@rizen> for a few seconds 21:19 <+MrHairgrease> ok 21:19 <+MrHairgrease> the recent addons thingy seems to show only first revison of posts 21:19 <+MrHairgrease> http://www.plainblack.com/wg/contribute 21:20 <+MrHairgrease> untitled should be GoogleMaps Macro 21:25 <@rizen> post a bug report 21:25 <+MrHairgrease> ok 21:25 <+MrHairgrease> will do 21:25 <@rizen> oh and go get a hair cut, you hippie 21:30 <+MrHairgrease> just got one last week 21:30 -!- MrHairgrease is now known as MrFood 22:47 -!- vayde [n=vayde@c-75-72-85-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #webgui --- Day changed Mon Jul 02 2007 00:21 -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-216-252.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has joined #webgui 00:22 -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ 00:53 <+perlDreamer> You know it's bad when you don't pay attention to the bugs reported by your own tests... 01:02 -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-216-252.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 01:25 -!- MrFood [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has left #webgui [] 03:11 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 03:11 -!- mode/#webgui [+v Radix-wrk] by ChanServ 05:07 -!- vayde [n=vayde@c-75-72-85-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit ["Exit- stage 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data network. 16:19 < ckotil> yah 16:19 < ckotil> web pages take about a minute to load, as do youtube videos 16:19 < ckotil> its excellent on wifi tho 16:20 < ckotil> i love being able to catch up on news while im on the toilet 16:20 < SDuensin> heheheh 17:11 <+Radix_> lol 17:12 -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@206-124-31-140.denver.dsl.forethought.net] has quit [] 17:13 <+Radix_> http://www.tuaw.com/2007/07/01/prepaid-iphone-in-a-nutshell/ 17:47 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has joined #webgui 17:47 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 17:57 -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@vc1-868-1.adsl.indra.com] has joined #webgui 17:58 -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] 18:03 < pjesi> I dont get the fuzz 18:35 -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@vc1-868-1.adsl.indra.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:37 -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@vc1-868-1.adsl.indra.com] has joined #webgui 18:53 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has 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-!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has left #webgui [] 01:07 <@preaction> http://www.ohloh.net/projects/103 <- interesting website about OSS 01:09 <@preaction> says that webgui would take about 10 million USD to build from scratch 01:23 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has joined #WebGUI 02:30 -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-216-252.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has joined #webgui 02:30 -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ 02:34 -!- bobnn [n=bobn@71.194.17.95] has quit ["Leaving"] 02:36 <+perlDreamer> rizen: I need a consult for a deprecation notice. 02:36 <+perlDreamer> We're not allowed to add new session variables, but the current ones are okay? 02:37 <+perlDreamer> That's from Asset::Template::Parser, line 37 or so 02:37 <+perlDreamer> But in the docs themselves it says bluntly that session vars are deprecated, wholesale. 02:37 <+perlDreamer> Which is it? 02:42 <@preaction> current ones are okay i think, new ones are a bad idea 02:42 <@preaction> i imagine they should be added somewhere else 02:42 <@preaction> or macros 02:42 <+perlDreamer> That's what I was thinking, too. 02:42 <@preaction> is there something that requires them? 02:42 <@rizen> current ones are ok now, but will eventually be eliminated 02:43 <+perlDreamer> So they should be marked and doc'ed as deprecated. 02:43 <@rizen> yes 02:43 <+perlDreamer> In that case, I'll rework the example in Style Template without them. 02:43 <@rizen> they will eventually be replaced with something else 02:43 <@rizen> like a macro or something 02:44 <+perlDreamer> cool 02:44 < SDuensin> Hi rizen, perlDreamer, preaction. 02:44 <+perlDreamer> thanks, rizen (and you too preaction) 02:44 <+perlDreamer> It's good to know y'all are on the same wavelength. 02:45 <@preaction> that's what JT's magic hammer is for 02:45 * preaction nurses a few bruises 02:46 <+perlDreamer> You should be glad he used the blunt end :) 02:46 <+perlDreamer> Hey, SD. 02:49 < SDuensin> My brain hurts. 02:53 <+perlDreamer> SDuensin: are you using an iPhone? 02:53 < SDuensin> Frack no. 02:53 <+perlDreamer> Then what's the cause of your cerebral distress? 02:54 < SDuensin> I'm trying to learn cross-platform real-time 3D rendering. 02:54 <@preaction> OpenGL? SDL? 02:54 < SDuensin> Depends on the platform. :-) 02:54 < SDuensin> Ogre3D is the graphics thingie. Lots of other code involved, too. 02:56 <+perlDreamer> rizen, preaction: what do y'all think of this: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/view-profile 02:56 <+perlDreamer> bug or RFE? 02:56 <@preaction> sounds like a site style issue to me 02:56 <@preaction> oh, it's logged against plainblack.com 02:56 <+perlDreamer> It's small enough that I was thinking we should just stick do it. 02:57 <@rizen> i'll send steve an email 02:57 <+perlDreamer> preaction: it is style based, but I think a lot of the navs and styles suffer from it. 02:57 <@rizen> steve's bug to fix 02:57 <+perlDreamer> okay. 02:58 < SDuensin> Hey rizen - does PB do any charity stuff? 02:58 <@rizen> rarely 02:58 <@rizen> what is it for? 02:59 <+perlDreamer> Do you mean like giving away their software for free? :) 02:59 < SDuensin> Ok. Just curious. I donated server space and WebGUI hosting to a new foundation for a guy who died in a triathlon. They have no idea how to manage it. Wondered if you'd be interested in kicking them a couple Primers or something. 02:59 * SDuensin is doing his best to teach them. 03:03 <@rizen> some guy died? 03:03 <@rizen> that doesn't seem like much of a charity 03:05 < SDuensin> Yes. And to be honest, I don't know where they're sending the money they raise. If I had to guess, it'd be to LiveStrong, but that's just a guess. 03:05 < SDuensin> It's been a rough week. Dude was a coworker of mine. 03:06 < SDuensin> http://www.kevinmhuntfoundation.org 03:06 < SDuensin> Horribly ugly site. Done in 2 days by my poor boss who is trying to learn WebGUI as she goes. 03:07 < SDuensin> Hehe - looks like she just figured out two column layouts. :-) 03:07 <@rizen> i'll have to say i pass. i'm sure he was a great guy and all, but 14,4000 people die on the planet every day. i can't set that sort of precident 03:07 < SDuensin> That's fine dude. Never hurts to ask, so I figured I would. :-) 03:11 < SDuensin> I really hope she changes that "logo". It screams of Windows Paint. 03:20 <+perlDreamer> Haarg: I found knowmad's template editing bug. 03:20 <+perlDreamer> The Help has an autogenerated list of template parsers, based on the config file. 03:21 <+perlDreamer> It stomps on the config file entry, because it's a reference. 03:21 <@preaction> you're joking 03:21 <+perlDreamer> No 03:21 <@preaction> god damn it 03:21 <@preaction> nice 03:21 <+perlDreamer> I know, I suck 03:22 <+perlDreamer> It's probably not the only one, either. I'll check the other autogenerated docs as well. 03:27 <+perlDreamer> Macros are okay 03:28 <+perlDreamer> Assets are okay 03:29 <+perlDreamer> Workflow Activities are okay 03:29 <+perlDreamer> It's just the template parsers. 03:29 <+perlDreamer> I didn't make a copy, just dereferenced. 03:29 <+perlDreamer> and then altered $_ inside the loop of a map, which changes the parent, which is what config points to 03:35 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 03:36 -!- mode/#webgui [+v Radix-wrk] by ChanServ 04:00 <+perlDreamer> when is 7.3.20 scheduled for release? 04:04 -!- vayde [n=vayde@c-75-72-85-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 04:06 <+perlDreamer> I'm almost ready to commit a fix 04:06 <+perlDreamer> It looks like it could cause the bug, but I don't see a way for the config variables in one session variable to be leaking into the session var for the next request. 04:29 -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-216-252.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 04:46 -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@206-124-31-140.denver.dsl.forethought.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 04:48 -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@206-124-31-140.denver.dsl.forethought.net] has joined #webgui 04:57 -!- cap10morgan_ [n=wmorgan@206-124-31-140.denver.dsl.forethought.net] has joined #webgui 04:58 -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@206-124-31-140.denver.dsl.forethought.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 04:58 -!- cap10morgan_ is now known as cap10morgan 05:18 -!- cap10morgan_ [n=wmorgan@206-124-31-140.denver.dsl.forethought.net] has joined #webgui 05:21 -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@206-124-31-140.denver.dsl.forethought.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:57 -!- cap10morgan_ [n=wmorgan@206-124-31-140.denver.dsl.forethought.net] has quit [] 06:07 -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-216-252.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has joined #webgui 06:07 -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ 06:19 <+perlDreamer> preaction: there's no code to prevent you from using the WebGUI database link that I can find. 06:19 <@preaction> it's supposed to 06:19 <@preaction> i thought there was, to prevent exactly what that caused that bug 06:20 <+perlDreamer> there's code to remove it from the select list, but that's it 06:20 <+perlDreamer> if you update the db manually, or hack the form it would work fine. 06:20 <@preaction> we might have to ask martin about it 06:20 <+perlDreamer> I'll try to catch him tomorrow. 06:21 <+perlDreamer> btw, do you know when 7.3.20 is due to be released? 06:22 <@preaction> probably wednesday 06:23 <+perlDreamer> the 4th? 06:23 <@preaction> oh 06:23 <@preaction> uhm... durno then 06:24 <+perlDreamer> You have any plans for the 4th? 06:24 <+perlDreamer> Family, gf, bbq, blow things up? 06:24 <@preaction> nope, i imagine i'll be working 06:37 <+perlDreamer> later 06:37 -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-216-252.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 07:25 < vayde> rizen, you going to be around Sunday night? I'll be in town. Wanna grab a brew? 08:01 -!- vayde [n=vayde@c-75-72-85-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit ["Exit- stage left"] 14:02 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 15:00 -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui 15:37 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@108.sub-75-206-161.myvzw.com] has joined #WebGUI 15:41 < SDuensin> Good morning! 15:56 -!- Leon [n=leon@195.158.107.185] has joined #webgui 15:56 < Leon> hi 15:56 < Leon> any one can help me out ? 16:02 -!- Leon [n=leon@195.158.107.185] has quit [] 16:05 <+Radix_> not in 6 minutes, no 16:05 * SDuensin chuckles 16:07 < ckotil> heh 16:07 < ckotil> i think i got an iPaperWeight 16:07 < ckotil> battery seems like its bad. 16:07 < ckotil> its not going a full day, with minimal use. 16:08 < SDuensin> Dead battery? That'll be $85 please. 16:08 < ckotil> yarly. 16:08 < SDuensin> You using the WiFi or just letting it sit? 16:09 < ckotil> i turned off wifi and email check., 16:09 <+Radix_> replacement battery from apple = return the device and they'll solder a new one on for you for $$$ 16:09 < ckotil> man..id be so pissed off if they charge me. 16:09 < ckotil> as if i hadnt paid enough already 16:09 < SDuensin> Yea. Apple announced the battery is $85.95. 16:09 < ckotil> and we learned yesteray about how much this thing costs apple. 16:09 < ckotil> its under $300. 16:09 < SDuensin> I'd think you're well within whatever sad warranty they offer. 16:10 < ckotil> omfg. 16:10 < ckotil> id thihnk since i just got it, they'd give me a nwe phone. 16:11 < ckotil> ya. 16:16 <+Radix_> if they still have stock to give you one 16:21 * SDuensin has a RAZR. It sucks, but it plays DOOM! 16:21 <+Radix_> I have an o2 atom which rocks. 16:24 < nuba> o2 atoms dont rock, they oxidise 16:26 < nuba> and actually its not o2 atoms, o2 its the entire molecule 16:29 <+Radix_> Umm.. yeah 16:36 < nuba> in fact its all wrong. you write O2, no chemical element is written with the first letter in smallcaps 16:37 < nuba> let me see, did I left anything out of the nitpicking ? 16:37 < nuba> :) 16:37 <+Radix_> http://www.seeo2.com/product/XdaAtom/template/XdaAtomProductInfo.vm 17:08 -!- Irssi: #webgui: Total of 14 nicks [3 ops, 0 halfops, 2 voices, 9 normal] 17:09 < xdanger> hmm.. Is it possible to edit a CS submission before Approving it? 17:10 < xdanger> We have a user updated list, and sometimes they have badly formated text or something like that... But we have to approve it first so that content managers can edit it... 18:26 -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:35 <@rizen> radix, are you here? 20:08 -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat086.mxim.com] has joined #webgui 20:08 -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ 20:09 <+perlDreamer> (Time appropriate greeting), folks 20:48 <+perlDreamer> preaction: can you give me a pointer to the DBI grant code that you mentioned a while ago? 20:55 * perlDreamer hates log file gaps 23:49 -!- jarcher [n=jarcher@tintangel.cdl.edu] has joined #webgui 23:51 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@108.sub-75-206-161.myvzw.com] has quit ["Leaving"] --- Day changed Wed Jul 04 2007 00:34 -!- sbaur [n=sbaur@130.157.145.37] has joined #webgui 00:46 <+perlDreamer> Things are hopping in the channel today 00:46 <+perlDreamer> Must be because of the holiday 01:25 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has joined #WebGUI 01:26 <+perlDreamer> Hola, SDuensin 01:26 < SDuensin> Yo 01:30 <+perlDreamer> What's up nt he java desktop world? 01:52 < SDuensin> WonderGrid is almost ready to ship! It's an awesome database editor. 02:13 -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@vc1-868-3.adsl.indra.com] has joined #webgui 02:14 < cap10morgan> so, http proxy assets rewrite form fields so they have HttpProxy_ as a prefix 02:14 < cap10morgan> do you basically just have to modify the script that they post to to handle the new names? 02:14 < cap10morgan> or can you turn that rewriting off? 02:15 <+perlDreamer> No idea. 02:18 -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat086.mxim.com] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] 02:25 -!- sbaur [n=sbaur@130.157.145.37] has quit [] 02:50 -!- jarcher [n=jarcher@tintangel.cdl.edu] has quit [] 03:11 -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@vc1-868-3.adsl.indra.com] has quit [] 03:59 <+Radix-wrk> ckotil: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/07/03/iphone_hacking_progress/ 04:32 <@preaction> and again i must point out that they are talking about CRACKERS not hackers... 04:56 -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@206-124-31-140.denver.dsl.forethought.net] has joined #webgui 05:44 -!- nuba [n=nuba@hq.imaterial.org] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:18 -!- vayde [n=vayde@c-75-72-85-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 06:31 -!- nuba [n=nuba@hq.imaterial.org] has joined #webgui 07:09 -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-216-252.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has joined #webgui 07:09 -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ 07:11 * vayde waves to perlDreamer 07:12 <+perlDreamer> yo, vayde! 07:13 <+perlDreamer> The daughter of a friend of mine is taking martial arts. 07:13 <+perlDreamer> "uwe..." something 07:13 < vayde> Cool. What style? 07:13 <+perlDreamer> Means the formless way? 07:13 <+perlDreamer> Shapeless way? 07:13 <+perlDreamer> Basically, she's going to be a tough street chik 07:14 < vayde> Ude perhaps 07:14 < vayde> good 07:14 < vayde> ladies need to be touch 07:14 < vayde> er tough 07:14 <+perlDreamer> they need both, but only on their terms :) 07:15 < vayde> lol 07:16 < vayde> sadly I've not met an adult woman who hasn't felt she was tossed around or at some guy's mercy at some time in their life 07:17 < vayde> It's nothing sinister. Men are, on average, larger. You judge the world by yourself. Force you think is appropriate is too much for a smaller person. 07:21 <+perlDreamer> Looking at the bug list, you would never guess that we had it down to 6 bugs 07:24 <+perlDreamer> I'm going to crash out. Catch you later, vayde 07:24 -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-216-252.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 07:47 -!- vayde [n=vayde@c-75-72-85-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit ["Exit- stage left"] 10:00 < nuba> anyone ever got this error when trying to start httpd.modperl ? Fatal error 'Spinlock called when not threaded.' at line 83 in file /usr/src/lib/libpthread/thread/thr_spinlock.c (errno = 2) 10:01 < nuba> this is in a freebsd 5.3-RELEASE running the latest wre 10:41 -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui 12:17 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] 15:53 < nuba> morning folks, if anyone has any idea on this 'Spinlock called when not threaded.' error, please let me know 15:54 < nuba> i've found about freebsd's /etc/libmap.conf, but it seems it isnt changing anything :/ 16:01 <+Radix_> Sorry nuba - never encountered it before 16:02 <+Radix_> I've also never used freebsd tho 16:08 < nuba> ok, thx anyway 16:43 <@rizen> nuba, contact len@ilance.nl 16:43 <@rizen> that's Len Kranendonk, i think you met him at the WUC 16:43 <@rizen> he uses FreeBSD in webgui hosting 16:43 <@rizen> he may have an answer for you 17:46 -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [] 18:11 -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:33 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #webgui 19:34 -!- mode/#webgui [+v MrHairgrease] by ChanServ 22:16 < nuba> back 22:17 < nuba> cool, thx rizen, yeah i remember len 22:17 < nuba> very cool guy 23:48 -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-216-252.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has joined #webgui 23:48 -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ 23:48 <+perlDreamer> MrHairGrease! 23:49 <+perlDreamer> Just the guy that I need to talk to. 23:49 <+perlDreamer> MrHairgrease...? 23:50 <+MrHairgrease> perldreamer 23:50 <+MrHairgrease> talk! 23:50 <+perlDreamer> I have some SQLForm questions for you. 23:50 <+MrHairgrease> oh 23:50 <+MrHairgrease> ok 23:50 <+perlDreamer> 1) Where is the code that prevents you from using the WebGUI database. 23:50 <+MrHairgrease> shoot 23:51 <+MrHairgrease> there is no such code 23:51 <+MrHairgrease> the sqlform only drops the default db link from the list 23:51 <+MrHairgrease> so you can use the wg db by creating an extra db link 23:51 <+perlDreamer> Somebody nuked their site using the SQLForm 23:52 <+perlDreamer> http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/webgui-stops-working#wl1NfdrT4VgFU_KC1eg3cQ 23:52 <+MrHairgrease> and they did that by using the default dblink 23:52 <+MrHairgrease> id=0 23:52 <+MrHairgrease> ? 23:52 <+MrHairgrease> yeah 23:52 <+MrHairgrease> i read the report 23:53 <+perlDreamer> Did you read the other bug report about the SQLForm permissions? 23:53 <+MrHairgrease> prolly 23:53 <+MrHairgrease> mostly i skim through the bug reports 23:54 <+perlDreamer> they specified a wildcard in the grant for the database name 23:54 <+MrHairgrease> yeah 23:54 <+perlDreamer> why do permissions need to be checked? 23:54 <+MrHairgrease> i didn't even know that you could do that 23:54 <+perlDreamer> me either 23:55 <+MrHairgrease> b/c if you don't have the right perms 23:55 <+MrHairgrease> wg will fatal error 23:55 <+MrHairgrease> and leave half an asset dangling in the tree 23:55 <+MrHairgrease> and all that crap 23:55 <+perlDreamer> ew. So you think that the SQLForm should handle the wildcard search? 23:56 <+MrHairgrease> i guess so 23:56 <+MrHairgrease> well 23:56 <+MrHairgrease> actually i think mysql should ditch those wildcards in db names 23:56 <+MrHairgrease> =) 23:56 <+MrHairgrease> or even better 23:56 <+perlDreamer> I think the DBI should provide a way to tell if a user has certain permissions in the database. 23:56 <+MrHairgrease> create a generic meachnism to query perms 23:57 <+MrHairgrease> and return those in one way 23:57 <+MrHairgrease> yeah that too 23:57 <+MrHairgrease> but it doesn't 23:57 <+perlDreamer> no 23:57 <+MrHairgrease> I actually spent a lot of time on figuring out a better way to do it 23:57 <+MrHairgrease> but I failed 23:58 <+perlDreamer> It's really pretty robust, but it has some edge cases. 23:58 * MrHairgrease retract into a corner and cries 23:58 <+MrHairgrease> did you see my googlemaps macro btw? 23:58 * perlDreamer pats MrHairgrease on the head and hands him a scotch on the rocks. 23:58 <+perlDreamer> Yes. 23:58 <@preaction> i personally think we need to get rid of RaiseError in the DBI connections and handle all the errors ourselves (that way it would be possible to recover from things like that) 23:58 <+perlDreamer> Very nice. I even voted for it. 23:58 <+MrHairgrease> wow 23:59 <+MrHairgrease> recognition =) 23:59 <+MrHairgrease> yeah 23:59 <+MrHairgrease> fatals on sql queries are a pain in the ass 23:59 <+MrHairgrease> otoh we now know when the db's getting messed up =) 23:59 <+perlDreamer> I've been having this idea for a website, and I need exactly that kind of functionality, but wrapped in an Asset. 23:59 <+perlDreamer> The db will mess itself up, without our help. --- Day changed Thu Jul 05 2007 00:00 <+perlDreamer> db corruption sucks 00:00 <+MrHairgrease> yeah 00:00 <+MrHairgrease> but that' partly due to the lack of referential integrity in the wg schema 00:00 <+MrHairgrease> i don't think there are any foreign keys in the db 00:01 <+perlDreamer> no 00:01 <+perlDreamer> no foreign keys 00:01 <+MrHairgrease> so we have to rely on our leet haxor skills 00:01 <+MrHairgrease> to keep it together 00:01 <+perlDreamer> I need to learn SQL, because I don't know what a foreign key is. 00:01 <+MrHairgrease> and i think we are doing a good job at that 00:01 <+perlDreamer> It could be easier? 00:02 <+MrHairgrease> i hear ya brother 00:02 <+MrHairgrease> i'm in the same league 00:03 <+perlDreamer> Okay, so it sounds like the SQLForm will happily let you shoot yourself in the foot. No fix 00:03 <+MrHairgrease> yeah 00:03 <+perlDreamer> But we should handle wildcard database names. 00:03 <+perlDreamer> I can write tests for that. 00:04 <+perlDreamer> I'll mock the DBI, and force it to send back data that I can shove into the _dbPermissions sub from SQLForm. 00:04 <+MrHairgrease> it's just almost impossible to detect the actual db's that are in a link 00:04 <+MrHairgrease> ok that'll be cool 00:05 <+MrHairgrease> i'm really very busy with my graduation thingy 00:05 <+perlDreamer> Is it related to your LED paper? 00:05 <+MrHairgrease> but I'll be on my way to France by next monday 00:05 <+MrHairgrease> no 00:05 <+MrHairgrease> tunneljunctions 00:05 <+MrHairgrease> i'll show you some stuff at the wuc 00:06 <+perlDreamer> Cool! 00:06 <+perlDreamer> Maybe I should bring some 1-wire parts, with the SHA-1 inside. 00:06 <+perlDreamer> wait, tunnel junctions. 00:06 <+MrHairgrease> cool 00:06 <+perlDreamer> Are you doing EEPROM/Flash stuff? 00:07 <+MrHairgrease> i won't be bringing parts though 00:07 <+MrHairgrease> just images 00:07 <+perlDreamer> okay 00:07 <+MrHairgrease> you mean for my graduation? 00:07 <+MrHairgrease> relating to the flash stuff 00:07 <+perlDreamer> yes 00:07 <+MrHairgrease> no 00:07 <+MrHairgrease> it's more physics than electronics 00:08 <+perlDreamer> ok 00:09 <+perlDreamer> _databaseLinkHasPrivileges really belongs in DatabaseLink.pm, don't you think? 00:09 <+MrHairgrease> yeah 00:09 <+MrHairgrease> i think i discussed that with jt some day 00:10 <+perlDreamer> On IRC? 00:10 <+MrHairgrease> could be 00:10 <+MrHairgrease> prolly 00:10 <+perlDreamer> we need a dedicated logger in the channel with a search engine. 00:10 <+MrHairgrease> or otherwise on the devlist 00:10 <+MrHairgrease> yeah 00:10 <+MrHairgrease> irc is quicker 00:10 <+perlDreamer> much quicker 00:10 <+MrHairgrease> but i kinda miss the devlist 00:11 <+MrHairgrease> espescially since i'm in another tz 00:11 <+perlDreamer> This is true. 00:11 <+MrHairgrease> and lately i'm not on the channel very much 00:11 <+perlDreamer> I'll throw the question out there, then you can reply and sound all sage and wise since we've already talked it through here :) 00:11 <+MrHairgrease> ha 00:12 <+MrHairgrease> i'll just paste my irc log 00:12 <+MrHairgrease> easy money =) 00:12 <+MrHairgrease> s/money/sageness/ 00:13 <+perlDreamer> I don't suppose Joeri is sitting around nearby? 00:13 <+MrHairgrease> no 00:13 <+perlDreamer> It should really be SQL. 00:13 <+MrHairgrease> he isn't on msn either 00:14 <+MrHairgrease> joeri should be sql? 00:14 <+perlDreamer> No, there should be a SQL way of determining user rights. 00:14 <+MrHairgrease> i agree 00:14 <+perlDreamer> One that wraps the internal engine's API. 00:14 <+perlDreamer> in a consistent, external query. 00:15 -!- MrHairgrease is now known as MrAfkGrease 00:25 <+perlDreamer> bug -- 00:25 <+perlDreamer> perlbot: karma bug 00:25 < perlbot> Karma for bug: 1 00:25 <+perlDreamer> perlbot: karma bugs 00:25 < perlbot> Karma for bugs: -2 00:25 -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-216-252.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 00:57 -!- preaction_ [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui 01:05 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 01:10 -!- MrAfkGrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has left #webgui [] 03:45 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 03:45 -!- mode/#webgui [+v Radix-wrk] by ChanServ 05:28 -!- vayde [n=vayde@c-75-72-85-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 05:35 < preaction_> question for those who go to geek meetings (perl mongers, LUG) 05:35 < preaction_> would a porn joke be considered "out of line"? 05:35 < preaction_> i'm thinking making a folder called XXX and putting a bunch of work documents, quipping "That's the name of the folder for stuff I don't like to look at" 05:37 < vayde> I don't consider that out of line, but I'm not yr average geek 05:38 < preaction_> i suppose it might be ... sexist, and we already have a big enough problem with women in the CS field... 05:38 < vayde> I would use that, and far worse in the course of my classes 05:38 < preaction_> i've got a two-hour presentation due in 8 days. i think i'm a little ... screwed 05:39 < preaction_> but i work better under pressure ;) 05:39 < vayde> If I can help, just holler 05:39 < vayde> but I think that remark is pretty tame 05:39 < preaction_> i googled for "perl one-liners" and found a wealth of material, just gotta cut it down and make it flow 05:40 < preaction_> a one-line HTTP server: perl -MIO::All -e 'io(":8080")->fork->accept->(sub { $_[0] < io(-x $1 ? "./$1 |" : $1) if /^GET \/(.*) / })' 05:40 < vayde> nice 05:40 < preaction_> you wouldn't happen to have any favorite modules to use in one-liners? 05:41 < preaction_> i mean, LWP::Simple, CPAN, File::Path perhaps 05:41 < preaction_> ooh, totally forgot about File::Path, I hate having to create deep directories1 05:41 < vayde> not me. I'm not much of a one liner guy. I'll ask one of my guys 05:41 < preaction_> perl -MFile::Path -e'mkpath "this/is/a/deep/directory"'; 05:42 < vayde> you're doing a presentation on one liners? 05:42 < preaction_> yup 05:42 < vayde> that's pretty cool 05:42 < preaction_> http://madmongers.org/calendar/quick-and-dirty 05:43 < preaction_> if i do nicely i might ask if one or more of the local LUGs would like to hear it (more converts for the fire) 05:43 < vayde> very cool 05:44 < preaction_> i think it's more of a rite-of-passage into complete nerd-dom. trial-by-fire and all that jazz 05:44 < vayde> yeah, well, certain folks we both know like that kind of stuff 05:45 < preaction_> if andy'll be there, he's already given a presentation on this, so i imagine i'll have some experts to ... assist in my... baptism 05:45 < vayde> You'll do fine 05:45 < preaction_> who do you think told me i had to do this ;) 05:45 * vayde nods, rolling his eyes 05:45 < preaction_> it's not the presentation part i'm too worried about, i've got an actor's mentality to public speaking 05:45 < vayde> how much public speaking/presentation experience do you have? 05:45 < vayde> ahh, good 05:45 < preaction_> it's that i'm going to be faking a lot of knowledge i won't have 05:46 < preaction_> but i imagine "i don't know, but i can guess..." will be okay for this group 05:46 < preaction_> or "i don't know, but i know where you can find the answer to that..." 05:46 < vayde> so don't fake it. present what you know concisely 05:46 < vayde> that will be fine I'm sure 05:47 < vayde> one of the coolest and most liberating things about being a teacher in any capacity is the ability to say 'I don't know' 05:47 < preaction_> a lot of it will be CPAN modules, so there's an out ("look on CPAN for the X::X module") 05:48 < preaction_> but then again, learning while writing this thing is the main reason i'm doing it 05:49 < vayde> should be fun 05:49 < preaction_> i hope so. plus i imagine JT'll be there, so not entirely hostile audience (someone I can bounce bad jokes off of) 05:50 < vayde> Or at least hide behind if the crowd gets too surly. 05:50 < vayde> big dude like that will block many thrown objects 05:51 < preaction_> i dunno, if they start chucking laptops i think i'm going to have to find something female to distract them while i make a break for it 05:51 < preaction_> i'll bring the GF! 05:51 < vayde> Are you in Madison? 05:52 < preaction_> no, Oshkosh is about 90 minutes away 05:52 < vayde> I'll be in town on Sunday 05:53 < vayde> Hmm I'll have to look at a map, if it's not too far off the path, maybe we can grab a brew? 05:53 < preaction_> it's up hwy 151 (60 minutes) until hwy 26 (30 minutes) 05:54 < preaction_> what time would you be thinking? 05:54 < vayde> I'm done about 5-ish 05:55 < vayde> I'll need to eat something, and then head for home 05:55 < preaction_> ah 05:56 < vayde> I'll have some time though. Just have to be back in time for work on Mon 05:57 < preaction_> iirc i was planning on going to Wild Rose sunday during the day, which would put me closer to madison than oshkosh. 05:58 < preaction_> the issue being my gf would be coming with, and she's not yet of the age to go bar-hopping 05:58 < preaction_> i imagine there're decent bar/grills around madtown though 05:58 < vayde> honestly, I probably shouldn't do a lot of drinking witha 4 hr drive ahead of me 05:58 < preaction_> which would work better anyway 05:58 < vayde> last I heard, my gf is coming along too, we could at least have dinner 05:59 < preaction_> 4 hrs? why do you need to be in madison? 05:59 < vayde> I have students there. 05:59 < preaction_> so once a month or bi-weekly or something? 05:59 < vayde> I don't really want to drive 4 hours each way and spend my only down day in a seminar, but the kids are so dedicated 05:59 < vayde> monthly 06:00 < vayde> at least in theory 06:00 < preaction_> ahh 06:00 < vayde> It was less of a problem when I didn't have 2 jobs 06:00 < vayde> or when the second job was technically IN madison 06:36 < vayde> hey preaction_, did JT finish the new version of the wre? 06:37 < preaction_> i'm not quite sure if it's finished yet, we've been busy 06:37 < preaction_> i think that was his hope this week, but right now he's at the origins games expo thingy 06:37 < preaction_> but it was also his hope last week, and iirc the week before too 06:37 < vayde> hmm, my wre is incompatible with the latest version of wg. 06:37 < preaction_> 7.4 requires 0.8 i think 06:38 < preaction_> at least, the modules that come with 0.8 06:38 < preaction_> might have to run sbin/testEnvironment.pl 06:38 < vayde> is that whats in the repo right now? 7.4? 06:38 < preaction_> that's the trunk, yes 06:39 < vayde> yeah, that would explain the errors 06:39 < vayde> but wre 0.8 isn't out? 06:39 < preaction_> not that i'm aware of yet 06:39 < preaction_> major changes from what i hear, and the abolishment of a separate windows WRE 06:41 < vayde> wild. be interested to see how that was accomplished 06:42 < preaction_> i'm more interested in the new features, apparently a perldoc server has been added 06:42 < preaction_> to view perldoc of WebGUI modules 06:42 < vayde> cool 06:42 < vayde> god I miss wG 06:43 < vayde> I keep thinking once things settle down a bit I'll be able to do some more development here 06:43 < preaction_> word. it's hard to believe that just a few weeks ago the bug list was down to 6 :( 06:43 < vayde> lol 06:43 < vayde> I haven't looked at it 06:44 < vayde> any of them with the email password recovery? 06:44 < preaction_> not that i remember 06:44 < vayde> that's nice. 06:45 < vayde> I can't make heads or tails of the new site. It's pretty, but I can't find anything. 06:45 < vayde> where's the buglist? 06:45 < preaction_> http://webgui.org/bugs 06:46 < vayde> ahh, now I see 06:46 < vayde> that's the nice thing about wG. I'd actually like to solve probelms with it, learn more about it 06:46 < vayde> with the crap I'm working on right now. It's hard to care 06:47 < vayde> It's kinda like diagnosing problems on windows: Step 1) use something else 06:47 < preaction_> lol 06:48 < vayde> the only good note is it's just temporary. We all hate it. 06:48 < preaction_> indeed 06:50 < vayde> there we go. dev environment is back up 06:50 < vayde> now I better go back to the *fun* stuff 06:50 < preaction_> goodluck 06:51 < vayde> you should see the autoloader on this bastard 06:51 < vayde> I'd post it, but that might violate something 06:51 < preaction_> mmmm NDAs 06:51 < preaction_> proprietary systems 06:51 < vayde> no NDA 06:52 < preaction_> trade sekrits? 06:52 < vayde> that kinda surprised me 06:52 < vayde> I'm sure somebody thinks so 06:52 < vayde> they've been surprisingly lax 06:52 < preaction_> i imagine you signed your rights to your code away? like responsible colleges do to professors on fellowship? 06:52 < vayde> no, nothing 06:53 < preaction_> huh 06:53 < vayde> I had to sign more to work with PB than I did to work for usbank 06:53 < vayde> I've signed _nothing_ 07:51 < vayde> gf is not coming, but we could still grab dinner if you like preaction_ 07:51 < vayde> do you have my cell? 07:53 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: @Haarg 07:58 < preaction_> uhm, i'd like to but it looks like wild rose is a bit further from madison than I anticipated (2 hrs.), and the idea with going to WR is to introduce the GF to the mother (and hopefully the siblings) 07:58 < preaction_> is it always the first weekend of the month? that's rocky weekend 08:04 < vayde> naw, depends on when all involved are free 08:04 < vayde> there'll be another time 08:04 < vayde> I'll be back on the 12th of August 08:05 < preaction_> was just wondering, if you had a place to stay the Velvet Darkness does their thing the 1,3,5 saturday at 11:30p at the Orpheum 08:05 < preaction_> another time, then 08:05 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Haarg 08:05 -!- mode/#webgui [+o Haarg] by ChanServ 08:07 < vayde> cool. I'd come out Sat. night if I had somewhere to stay, but as it is, I'll just drive out early and drive back in late 08:07 < preaction_> ah 08:07 < vayde> I'd stay with my students, but they have dogs, and you know me... delicate 08:07 < preaction_> yes... delicate 08:13 < vayde> http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/incorrect-content#ALpxo5ydXhwsVd9c6ySbuw 08:13 < vayde> that's not much of a bug 08:14 < vayde> recon you can squash it real quick. I don't have access anymore 08:14 < preaction_> eh, i could if i weren't doing other things 08:14 < vayde> just lettin you know... 08:17 < preaction_> actually that's a wiki page, everybody should be able to change that. and those two tutorials should be in the wiki somewhere already 08:17 < vayde> I'll see what I can do 08:24 < vayde> new site is slicker than snake snot 08:29 < vayde> you ever check out vimperator? 08:30 < preaction_> nope 08:30 < vayde> It's pretty cool. turns firefox into vim mor ore less 08:31 < vayde> keybindings, commands, etc 08:31 < preaction_> nice 08:31 < vayde> pretty cool, doesn't play nice with wG though apparently. 08:33 < preaction_> would be interesting, i find myself using vim commands in firefox on a regular basis (space to page down, / to find, ctrl+b to go back a page, etc...) 08:34 < vayde> check it out 08:35 < vayde> actually, it's pretty easy to get it to play with wG now that I find the trick 08:36 < vayde> can I close the bug? or do I have to tell someone to do it? 08:38 < preaction_> i think you'd have to tell someone to do it 08:39 < vayde> someone other than you? 08:39 < preaction_> nono, i can do it 08:39 < vayde> lol 08:39 < vayde> no worries, sooner or later someone with the power will look at it, and take care of it 08:56 -!- preaction_ is now known as preaction 08:56 -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ 09:02 -!- jarcher [n=jarcher@64-142-95-110.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #webgui 09:04 -!- jarcher [n=jarcher@64-142-95-110.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Client Quit] 09:04 -!- jarcher [n=jarcher@64-142-95-110.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #webgui 09:46 -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui 10:25 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 10:26 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 10:26 -!- mode/#webgui [+v Radix-wrk] by ChanServ 10:49 -!- vayde [n=vayde@c-75-72-85-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit ["Exit- stage left"] 10:58 -!- jarcher [n=jarcher@64-142-95-110.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [] 12:05 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] 14:03 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 15:36 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@131.sub-75-207-134.myvzw.com] has joined #WebGUI 15:36 < SDuensin> Good morning! 15:38 < ckotil> hello 15:40 < SDuensin> Hi ckotil 18:13 -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] 18:39 -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@206-124-31-140.denver.dsl.forethought.net] has quit [] 19:36 -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@vc1-868-1.adsl.indra.com] has joined #webgui 19:39 -!- cap10morgan_ [n=wmorgan@vc1-868-3.adsl.indra.com] has joined #webgui 19:40 -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@vc1-868-1.adsl.indra.com] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 19:40 -!- cap10morgan_ is now known as cap10morgan 20:32 * pjesi misses news on the frontpage 20:36 * cap10morgan does too 20:46 <@preaction> like release news? 20:59 < pjesi> for instance 20:59 < pjesi> it is now only on the commercial site 21:26 <@preaction> anyone know who wrote the new user invite thing for 7.4? was it perlDreamer? 21:31 <@preaction> as a side note, i like 7.4 and think it will be teh awesome. a lot of RFEs went into this one 21:32 <@preaction> first release in 2 weeks 21:32 <@preaction> maybe 3 22:02 * pjesi does not yet had a look at it 23:03 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@ip70-189-104-178.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #webgui 23:03 < perlmonkey2> Is it possible to do a passthrough on a cgi directory? 23:04 <@preaction> passthrough tells webgui to ignore it, you'd have to tell apache what to do with it, but it might be better to have that directory bypass webgui entirely using a or a directive (either that or you have to do both, i forget which) 23:39 < perlmonkey2> What do you mean by directory bypass? 23:48 <@preaction> perlmonkey2: http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/how-to-get-passthruurls-to-work 23:49 <@preaction> i imagine you can SetHandler cgi-script .pl .cgi after SetHandler None (to remove the mod_perl handler) 23:49 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@131.sub-75-207-134.myvzw.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:51 < perlmonkey2> Weird, it was the sethandler none that worked. I had sethandler PerlScript and that just gave me the .pl code. 23:52 <@preaction> that's an apache issue, #apache can help, but might i suggest SetHandler cgi-script .pl 23:52 < perlmonkey2> preaction: no, sethandler none fixed it. now it works. just strange. --- Day changed Fri Jul 06 2007 00:00 -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@204.17.142.86] has joined #webgui 00:00 -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ 00:00 <+perlDreamer> preaction: you were looking for me? 00:01 <@preaction> do you have any idea why the value for a required on registration element would be "HASH(0xblah)"? 00:01 <@preaction> i've got one site from unitedknowledge that's doing this 00:01 <@preaction> and i have so little information about what's going on there that i can't figure it out 00:02 <@preaction> i can't reproduce 00:02 <+perlDreamer> Is that part of User Invite, or the password recovery stuff? 00:02 <@preaction> http://arjan.unitedknowledge.nl/?op=auth;method=createAccount <- this 00:03 <@preaction> i noticed some weird code in the createAccount sub: $emailField = {}; but later it's treated as a scalar (when getting the e-mail from the invite code) 00:04 <+perlDreamer> that might explain the email address, but not the second field. 00:06 <+perlDreamer> Hm. With user invites turned off, the hash ref leaks through. 00:06 <+perlDreamer> That's a bug. 00:07 <@preaction> oh, it happens when it's turned OFF... god 00:08 <+perlDreamer> How do you pull an old rev out of SVN? 00:08 <@preaction> svn up -r 00:08 <@preaction> i was thinking that too, it might be a bug already fixed 00:10 <+perlDreamer> No, I'm running on head and it's still in there. 00:11 <+perlDreamer> And there's the other bug, stomping on the required fields. 00:12 <@preaction> wtf why does it not show up on my site? 00:12 <+perlDreamer> Do you have user invitations turned on? 00:12 <@preaction> i tried it turned on, i tried it turned off 00:12 <@preaction> neither 00:13 <+perlDreamer> what rev are you running? 00:13 <+perlDreamer> And do you have profile fields set as required? 00:14 <@preaction> i'm running HEAD, and i set them as show on registration, i'll check required 00:14 <@preaction> email is: visible, editable, required, and show at registration 00:15 <+perlDreamer> The fix is very simple 00:15 <+perlDreamer> vim Auth.pm 00:15 <+perlDreamer> s/emailAddress = \{\}/emailAddress = undef/ 00:16 <@preaction> oh god, i couldn't see it because i had fixed it already 00:16 <+perlDreamer> Dude, you're psychic! 00:16 <@preaction> christ... 00:16 <+perlDreamer> Commit the fix and remember to chastise me thoroughly in the commit log 00:17 <@preaction> k 01:41 <+perlDreamer> why does Config->set have to write the config file? 01:47 < nuba> whoa, i've just received the June edition of IEEE's computer magazine 01:47 < nuba> there's a nice article about this tool called Koala 01:47 <+perlDreamer> what is it? 01:47 < nuba> being developed by IBM, targetting web scripting for the masses 01:48 < nuba> you go to a website, use it, fill a form, submit, do stuff, etc. 01:48 < nuba> all that gets recorded by a firefox sidebar 01:48 < nuba> in plaintext format 01:48 < nuba> you can share that script, edit it, etc 01:48 < nuba> it recognizes the places in which you have to fill for stuff and asks the user for it 01:49 <+perlDreamer> like HTTP::Recorder ? 01:49 < nuba> really cool when it comes to automating using websites 01:49 < nuba> from what i understand, HTTP::Recorder works like a proxy, right ? 01:50 <+perlDreamer> Yes. If you combine it with WWW::Mechanize, it would do what you're talking abuot 01:50 <+perlDreamer> but requires hacker-level proficiency, not typical-user 01:50 < nuba> but the researcher there states the goal of this tool is to help "small teams easily automate their own idiosyncratic workflows" 01:50 < nuba> and to build a community of people sharing these automations on the web 01:50 < nuba> yeah im familiar with www::mechanize 01:52 < nuba> you really have to see the screenshots of the sidebar with the script to get the gist of it 01:52 <+perlDreamer> Is it online publicly? 01:53 < nuba> its sooo like stuff my parents would be able to use 01:53 < nuba> just a sec.. 01:54 < nuba> yeah here you have it: http://www.computer.org/portal/site/computer/menuitem.eb7d70008ce52e4b0ef1bd108bcd45f3/index.jsp?&pName=computer_level1&path=computer/homepage/June07&file=invisible.xml&xsl=article.xsl&;jsessionid=GN2rhtFcSdyv4pLTT1TCdBH4v9vm3ngJT0j81y1kLvL29kZ9g2vS!1599257154 01:54 < nuba> or http://tinyurl.com/3eyk4x 01:55 < nuba> i went to IBM's website right away but its not yet available 01:56 <+perlDreamer> You're right. It's very social. Kind of like a scripted, interactive HOWTO. 01:56 <+perlDreamer> But I also see where it could be used to browser level test automation. 01:56 < nuba> notice in one of the images, this toolbar: "open in sidebar" "run" "edit" "duplicate" etc. 01:57 < nuba> and below the script, the comments from other usres 01:57 < nuba> users* 01:57 < nuba> this pic: http://tinyurl.com/3a5vh8 01:58 < nuba> yeah this would make writing automated tests also very easy 01:58 < nuba> i have some problems with www::mechanize, mostly because of javascript editing the dom 01:58 <+perlDreamer> The interface reminds of VB macros in Microsoft Office. 01:59 <+perlDreamer> Yeah, I've looked a little at Selenium to handle problems like that, but it seems like a steep learning curve. 02:00 < nuba> well when that happens with me i have to grab the html from the mech, edit it as needed myself, and feed it again to the mech 02:00 < nuba> so that means coupling www::mechanize with firefox's webdeveloper and livehttpheader extensions 02:00 < nuba> its really messy 02:02 < nuba> looking at selenium now 02:05 <+perlDreamer> Doea Koala require installing a plug-in, or does it work entirely in Javascript? 02:08 < nuba> well as of yet it seems like a firefox extension to me 02:09 < nuba> theres a nice video in the ibm website too 02:09 <+perlDreamer> I'll have to check that out at home. 02:09 <+perlDreamer> No multimedia at $dayJob 02:09 < nuba> heh i'll stop now 02:10 < nuba> heh btw im by no means whatsoever involved with IBM or the koala initiative etc. etc. 02:10 < nuba> :) 02:10 <+perlDreamer> Hey, it does sound very cool. 02:10 <+perlDreamer> I'd rather write koala than Selenium/Mech code any day. 02:10 <+perlDreamer> It's natural language. 02:11 <+perlDreamer> That means we could get WebGUI users to record bug statements and then publish them. 02:11 <+perlDreamer> No more trying to guess how they did something. 02:11 <+perlDreamer> Then those bugs become part of the permanent record for wG. 02:11 < nuba> yeah its amazing what you could do with that 02:28 -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@vc1-868-3.adsl.indra.com] has quit [] 02:29 -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@204.17.142.86] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] 03:40 -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@206-124-31-140.denver.dsl.forethought.net] has joined #webgui 04:05 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 04:05 -!- mode/#webgui [+v Radix-wrk] by ChanServ 05:18 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has joined #WebGUI 07:38 -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@206-124-31-140.denver.dsl.forethought.net] has quit [] 09:42 -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui 11:28 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: +Radix_ 11:49 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] 13:24 -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui 13:24 -!- mode/#webgui [+v Radix_] by ChanServ 14:11 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 15:37 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@54.sub-75-205-61.myvzw.com] has joined #WebGUI 15:39 < SDuensin> Good morning. 17:12 <+Radix_> evenin' 17:12 < SDuensin> Hi Radix_ 17:50 -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat086.mxim.com] has joined #webgui 17:50 -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ 17:50 <+perlDreamer> Morning folks 17:51 <@preaction> morning 17:54 <+perlDreamer> I noted your commt from last night, preaction 17:54 <+perlDreamer> You forgot to chastise me :) 17:54 <@preaction> meh 18:00 -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@vc1-868-1.adsl.indra.com] has joined #webgui 18:13 -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:35 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has joined #webgui 18:35 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 18:36 <+crythias> and then I said to her... Necklace? I thought you said Perl Module... 18:37 <+perlDreamer> That's how you always get the girls, crythias. 18:37 <+crythias> Somehow, "Let me insert my module in your filesystem" just doesn't seem to be an aphrodisiac with most women. 18:38 <+perlDreamer> no, filesystems are about storage. 18:38 <+perlDreamer> They want to be a module in your kernel, not some peripheral. 18:38 <+crythias> "I promise it's taint safe" 18:39 <+crythias> well, as long as I can insmod or kldmod 18:39 <+perlDreamer> So what's up in the BSD-using WebGUI world? 18:40 < nuba> suffering 18:40 < nuba> with thread libs and modperl crashing 18:40 < nuba> > Fatal error 'Spinlock called when not threaded.' at line 83 in file /usr/src/lib/libpthread/thread/thr_spinlock.c (errno = 2) 18:40 <+crythias> well, what with it using ImageMagick. 18:41 < nuba> ? 18:41 <+crythias> grr 18:41 <+perlDreamer> It's only 3 weeks 'til the 7.4 WebGUI and 0.8 WRE release. 18:41 <+crythias> oh? 18:41 <+perlDreamer> Then it will start using GraphicsMagick instead 18:41 <+perlDreamer> Yes 18:41 <+crythias> I spose I should update my faq 18:44 < nuba> no shit! 18:44 < nuba> its gone!!! :o 18:44 <+perlDreamer> Serious, nuba. 18:44 <+perlDreamer> Huh? 18:44 <+perlDreamer> What do you mean? 18:44 < nuba> its been three days since this was kicking my ass 18:44 <+perlDreamer> mod_perl stuff on BSD? 18:44 < nuba> oh damn 18:44 < nuba> not really, its still here 18:44 < nuba> ugh 18:45 < nuba> yes, mod_perl, threads, freebsd... 18:46 < nuba> now its not producing that Spinlock error anymore 18:46 < nuba> its only silently segfaulting 18:46 < nuba> aint it lovely? 18:46 <+perlDreamer> Is switching to a different BSD or Linux an option? 18:46 < nuba> this is with the 7.2 wre, btw 18:46 < nuba> is gonna be, if it continues like this 18:47 < nuba> wre on linux has always been smooth for me 18:48 <+perlDreamer> I haven't used the WRE yet. I've always used Fedora's packages. 18:48 < nuba> with freebsd the install is all about "ok, lets find out about what went wrong this time" moments 18:48 < nuba> at least for me 18:51 < nuba> ok, this is looking good 18:51 < nuba> now for the record, if anyone else gets stuck on this 18:51 * perlDreamer suggests a wiki page 18:51 <+perlDreamer> instead of an IRC log 18:52 < nuba> hmm can be 18:52 <+perlDreamer> It _is_more work, but you'll reach a whole lot more people that way. 18:53 < nuba> true 18:53 <+perlDreamer> Make you a deal. If you'll share the fix, I can make the wiki page. 18:55 < nuba> im already at the wiki, thx anyway :) 18:56 < nuba> where would freebsd-specific notes go there ? a new wiki page, or as a section into the http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/wre-building one? 18:57 <+perlDreamer> I would make a new page. WRE-Building-on-BSD 18:57 < nuba> k 18:58 < nuba> these I have here are just are just scattered notes, no text structure or much coment, is that fine ? 18:58 < nuba> i figure its a good seed 18:58 <+perlDreamer> Sure. 18:58 < nuba> if someone wants to build upon it later 18:59 <+perlDreamer> The new version may make the info unnecessary, but it will help people today, and who don't want to upgrade yet. 19:03 <+perlDreamer> preaction: ping 19:03 <@preaction> ACK! 19:03 <+perlDreamer> Can you please move this http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/webguiuser-has-no-way-to-get-a-user-when-you-only-know-their-username 19:03 <+perlDreamer> to the RFE section? 19:04 <@preaction> k 19:05 <+perlDreamer> thanks 19:06 <@preaction> i imagine assigning it a difficulty of 1 would be prudent, since the patch seems stable 19:07 <+perlDreamer> indeed. 19:07 <+perlDreamer> In fact, maybe someone with SVN access will add it himself. Perhaps even write test code for it. 19:07 <+perlDreamer> But it has to be an RFE for that ;) 19:07 < nuba> no words for how im happy after getting modperl to act straight on freebsd :) 19:08 < nuba> they joy of bugfixing :) 19:08 <+perlDreamer> Should I be worried that it took 3 days for an email to the WebGUI dev list to come through? 19:08 < nuba> or rather, circunventing 19:20 <@preaction> i just nudged spectre, i think there's still a problem with the cron code 19:21 -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@vc1-868-1.adsl.indra.com] has quit [] 19:25 < nuba> im so lucky 19:25 < nuba> getting an error with spectre now 19:25 < nuba> root@aviva# date 19:25 < nuba> Fri Jul 6 08:19:25 UTC 2007 19:25 < nuba> root@aviva# perl spectre.pl --run 19:25 < nuba> Cannot determine local time zone 19:25 < nuba> should I fill a bug ? 19:25 <+perlDreamer> That may not be a WebGUI bug, but a DateTime bug. 19:26 < ckotil> we're encountering a bug with date time, not webgui related tho 19:26 <+perlDreamer> do share :) 19:26 < nuba> it triggers here 19:26 < nuba> 211: POE::Kernel->run(); 19:27 < nuba> leaves the spectre.pl code here 19:27 < nuba> main::(./spectre.pl:107): Spectre::Admin->new($config, $debug); 19:27 < ckotil> im not sure of the specifics. 19:27 < nuba> im trying with the machine's date not set to UTC 19:31 < nuba> ok, doing this.. 19:31 < nuba> root@aviva# cp /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Sao_Paulo /etc/localtime 19:31 < nuba> root@aviva# perl ./spectre.pl --run 19:31 < nuba> it works fine 19:32 < nuba> is that a bug? 19:32 <+perlDreamer> Only for the operating system. 19:33 < nuba> i see 19:52 < nuba> i know this may look dumb, but how do i add a new topic to the wiki ? 19:52 < nuba> i tried addind a link to the toc and work from there, but it didnt worked 19:52 <+perlDreamer> It's not dumb. It's obfuscated. 19:52 <+perlDreamer> Search for a page 19:52 <+perlDreamer> The search results page will give you a link to add a new page. 19:52 < nuba> ok. thx 20:02 <+perlDreamer> preaction: is that RFE considered "approved"? 20:02 <@preaction> i don't know, while i would approve it, i don't know what TMRFE will say to it 20:02 <+perlDreamer> well, I have it all prepped, including testing code. 20:02 <+perlDreamer> I'll wait till he weighs in 20:07 <+perlDreamer> Anyone know cap10morgan's real name? 20:09 < nuba> added http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/wre-building-on-freebsd-5.3 to the wiki 20:17 <+perlDreamer> Thanks, nuba! 20:18 <+perlDreamer> ckotil: you may want to read that article, since he also had lftp building problems. 20:24 < nuba> bbiaw 21:53 <+perlDreamer> lunch, then Transformers. cya later 21:53 -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat086.mxim.com] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] 23:37 < ckotil> ah, thanks. 23:38 < ckotil> transformers rockd! 23:41 < nuba> it transformed me 23:41 < nuba> in a dissatisfied moviegoer 23:41 < nuba> :/ 23:42 < nuba> i think it didnt live up to my expectations as one who watched transformer toons as a kid 23:43 < nuba> dunno 23:44 < nuba> i felt like the trailers i've seen were better than the movie (!) 23:48 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@54.sub-75-205-61.myvzw.com] has quit ["Leaving"] --- Day changed Sat Jul 07 2007 00:26 < ckotil> heh 00:26 < ckotil> heading home. 01:38 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has joined #WebGUI 03:37 -!- vayde [n=vayde@c-75-72-85-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 06:59 -!- vayde [n=vayde@c-75-72-85-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit ["Exit- stage left"] 19:09 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@ip70-189-104-178.ok.ok.cox.net] has left #webgui [] --- Day changed Sun Jul 08 2007 02:53 -!- vayde [n=vayde@c-75-72-85-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 06:11 -!- vayde [n=vayde@c-75-72-85-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit ["Exit- stage left"] 08:34 <@preaction> Radix_: you around? have you heard anything good or bad about the Nokia N75 phone? 08:40 <+Radix_> Hiya 08:41 <+Radix_> I really don't know much about nokia smartphone's myself. I went windows mobile years ago and haven't looked back :) I like reading ebooks too much. 08:41 <@preaction> sup 08:42 <@preaction> yeah, it'd be nice to get a WM5 phone, but i also have to think about what plainblack will buy me 08:42 <+Radix_> Ahh.. salary sacrificing for it or something like that? 08:43 <@preaction> no, i got a raise for taking on the responsibility of being on-call 08:43 <@preaction> so they'll pay for a phone/plan 08:43 <@preaction> within reason 08:43 <+Radix_> heh.. k 08:43 <@preaction> they won't pay for an iphone, but a $50 i'm sure i can convince vrby 08:43 <@preaction> i got the financing for my house, so i'll be broke for a few months because of the down payment 08:44 <@preaction> unfortunately, when i can't even make calls because the damn antenna is gone on my motorola 8200 08:44 <+Radix_> doh 08:44 <@preaction> plus, it'd be very very nice to find a phone with bluetooth DUN 08:44 <+Radix_> sony ericson make some nice phones, but they're not really smartphones 08:44 <@preaction> nokia N75 has it, but i've been reading these reviews saying that the battery life is rather low (it says 4 hours of talk, 8 days of standby, but these reviewers say less) 08:45 <@preaction> doesn't have to be very smart 08:45 <@preaction> i need: mp3, bluetooth DUN, link with any OS 08:46 <@preaction> and apparently branded phones are crap, but that's about all you can get in the US 08:46 <+Radix_> my gf has the sony ericson k800i and is pretty happy with it 08:46 <@preaction> http://www.myrateplan.com/iphone_compare/ <- i've been looking at this thing 08:47 <@preaction> the ericson W810i is on there, and that seems nice 08:47 <@preaction> except for the no high-speed data (EDGE / HDsomething) 08:47 <+Radix_> hers has a 3.2mp camera which takes some pretty good shots 08:47 <@preaction> jesus 08:49 <@preaction> it's a camera that happens to be a phone 08:50 <+Radix_> it's actually a pretty decent phone too 08:50 <@preaction> yeah, it does look nice, would work for just about all i need, now to find a carrier 08:50 <+Radix_> We don't really have anything faster than edge here tho, so don't know about hsdpa 08:56 <@preaction> sometimes i swear the america gets shafted because of our system of "phone goes with network plan" 08:57 <@preaction> http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n95-1716.php <- holy crap me wanty! 08:58 <@preaction> which is, of course, $700 for the phone 09:09 <+Radix_> They have a phone/plan combo here too.. which is how most people buy stuff.. but you can buy a phone outright as well - it just costs a bit more 09:09 <+Radix_> especially for the higher end phones, as the lower ones get subsidized a lot 09:21 <@preaction> i'm tempted to wait until open moko is released on a phone 09:21 <@preaction> a free OS for mobile phones would be awesome 09:21 <+Radix_> heh 09:25 <@preaction> it's like we're at the cusp of a mobile computing revolution, and it'd be stupid to try to find a decent one until the dust settles 09:26 <@preaction> on one end, you have the iphone, on another end, the neo1973, and you've got every other company pushing to get towards the iphone 15:57 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 19:49 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #webgui 19:49 -!- mode/#webgui [+v MrHairgrease] by ChanServ --- Day changed Mon Jul 09 2007 00:02 -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-216-252.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has joined #webgui 00:02 -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ 00:02 <+perlDreamer> Does anyone know why WebGUI::Storage::Image doesn't recoginize tiff's or bmp's as image files? 00:04 <+MrHairgrease> no 00:04 <+MrHairgrease> ther just not is some array in trhat file 00:04 <+MrHairgrease> but why they aren't i do not know 00:07 <+perlDreamer> Dude, this cannot be. I thought you knew everything?! 00:07 <+MrHairgrease> i do 00:07 <+MrHairgrease> but tomorrow i'll be off to France 00:07 <+MrHairgrease> so i'm on vacation 00:07 <+MrHairgrease> ask me again in three weeks =) 00:07 <+perlDreamer> You have a good vacation, Martin. You've earned it. 00:08 <+perlDreamer> Drink some great wine and eat some stinky cheese. 00:09 <+MrHairgrease> i hate cheese 00:09 <+MrHairgrease> but i'll compensate with some extra wine 00:29 -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-216-252.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 00:52 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has left #webgui [] 00:57 -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui 00:57 -!- mode/#webgui [+o rizen] by ChanServ 00:59 <@rizen> nuba, r u here? 01:28 -!- rizen_ [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui 01:33 -!- rizen_ [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 01:35 -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 01:36 -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui 01:36 -!- mode/#webgui [+o rizen] by ChanServ 01:41 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:58 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 02:58 -!- mode/#webgui [+v Radix-wrk] by ChanServ 03:32 <+Radix-wrk> http://video.on.nytimes.com/?fr_story=f390265dcbb9e1f1da97a69637e921d39b6c99aa - iPhone: the Musical 03:47 <@rizen> that's hillarious 03:56 <+Radix-wrk> :) 03:57 <+Radix-wrk> He seems to do a good assessment of the pro's and con's too :) 03:57 <+Radix-wrk> you got one yet JT? 03:57 <@rizen> well at least of the perceived pros and cons 03:57 <@rizen> yup 03:57 <@rizen> got it on iphone friday 03:57 <+Radix-wrk> heh 03:57 <+Radix-wrk> Got root access yet? 03:58 <@rizen> no, don't care to 03:58 <@rizen> not at least until people learn how to install applications on it 03:58 <+Radix-wrk> not even curious? :) 03:58 <@rizen> last week i was on site at a convention that one of our clients was running, and i took the iphone 03:58 <@rizen> but i left my laptop in the room 03:59 <@rizen> while on the convention floor i used the iphone to look up informaiton on the web, check the status of some web sites, keep in touch with my staff and convention folks through email and phone 03:59 <@rizen> i took notes of software issues, kept all my appointments with the calendar 03:59 <@rizen> woke myself up each morning with the built in alarm clock 03:59 <+Radix-wrk> cool 04:00 <@rizen> and took pictures of the convention attendees 04:00 <@rizen> i can honestly say, that the iphone was AWESOME for this 04:00 <+Radix-wrk> Do you guys have data charges in the US for web browsing/email/etc? 04:00 <@rizen> not a single problem 04:00 <@rizen> it's built in to the cell phone 04:00 <@rizen> unlimited data transfer 04:00 <@rizen> built into the plan i mean 04:01 <+Radix-wrk> What kind of plan is that? 04:01 <+Radix-wrk> cost? 04:02 <@rizen> my wife and i both have iphones, and we get 400 SMS messages, 1400 anytime minutes, free in-network calling, unlimited nights and weekends, and unlimited data transfer for $130 (total for the 2 phones) 04:02 <@rizen> $130/month 04:03 <+Radix-wrk> Hmm.. expensive plan 04:03 <@rizen> expensive compared to a regular cell phone plan 04:04 <@rizen> but cheap compared to most PDA / Smartphone plans 04:04 <@rizen> at least in the US 04:04 <@rizen> don't know about abroad 04:04 <@rizen> most smartphone plans don't have unlimited data 04:05 <@rizen> and most only come with 100 sms messages 04:05 <@rizen> for that price 04:05 <+Radix-wrk> Ahh k.. that sounds more like it is here then 04:13 <@rizen> i went to a wedding this weekend where half of the people there were from oz 04:13 <@rizen> the groom is a friend of mine from sydney 04:14 <@rizen> but people came in from all over 04:15 <+Radix-wrk> We get around :) 04:15 <+Radix-wrk> Besides.. it's cold and wet here.. so of course we'd want to go north :) 04:31 <+Radix-wrk> http://www.gearlive.com/news/article/q307-how-to-use-irc-on-the-iphone/ 04:33 <@rizen> requires your local pc to be on and in range 04:34 <+Radix-wrk> true 05:05 -!- vayde [n=vayde@c-75-72-85-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 05:40 -!- rizen_ [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui 05:40 -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 06:11 -!- vayde [n=vayde@c-75-72-85-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:55 -!- sstanvir [n=Tanvir@s208148.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has joined #webgui 07:56 < sstanvir> hello! 07:56 < rizen_> howdy 07:56 < sstanvir> how r u doing? 07:57 < rizen_> terrible, and you? 07:57 < sstanvir> haha.. 07:57 < sstanvir> i dont know how I am now ...;) 07:57 < sstanvir> i am having serious problem with webGUI cache 07:58 < sstanvir> r u in the mood of discussion ? 07:58 < rizen_> i'll see what i can do 07:58 < sstanvir> great 07:58 < rizen_> be warned that i don't really do support on this channel...but we'll see 07:59 < sstanvir> thats enough.. thnx 07:59 < sstanvir> the problem is.. 07:59 < sstanvir> our customer is always complaining that + 07:59 < sstanvir> he is always gets old content (from our server that uses webGUI) 07:59 < sstanvir> we setup the "prevent proxy-caching" 08:00 < sstanvir> + 08:00 < sstanvir> but now its like.. + 08:00 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: ckotil, nuba 08:00 < sstanvir> when we refresh a page.. it still shows the old content+ 08:00 < sstanvir> it only shows the new content when we close the browser + 08:00 < sstanvir> and reopen it 08:00 < sstanvir> (browser = IE) 08:01 < sstanvir> what should I do now? 08:02 < rizen_> what version do you use? 08:03 -!- Netsplit over, joins: nuba, ckotil 08:03 < sstanvir> 7.0.6 08:05 < rizen_> that's the problem 08:05 < sstanvir> ? 08:05 < rizen_> 7.3.18 and above has all cache problems fixed 08:06 < rizen_> there's no easy way to backport them to 7.0 08:07 < sstanvir> hmm 08:07 < sstanvir> I am afraid. management can't afford to setup new version of webGUI at the moment 08:07 < sstanvir> it's a always up server .. 08:08 < sstanvir> isn't there any patch or something like that? 08:08 < rizen_> i just said no 08:08 < rizen_> and you don't need to set up a new server 08:08 < rizen_> you just need to upgrade 08:08 < sstanvir> hmm 08:09 < sstanvir> problem is original sources have been changed to meet requirements.. 08:10 < rizen_> well if you want to try and patch it yourself you can 08:11 < rizen_> the changes were made in lib/WebGUI.pm 08:11 < rizen_> and lib/WebGUI/Session/Http.pm 08:11 < rizen_> i think that's it 08:11 < sstanvir> ah.. cool 08:11 <+Radix-wrk> rizen: is wg 7.4 going to have those changes to allow users to change their passwords easier? (without involving entering in profile fields like 7.3 does?) 08:11 < rizen_> if you search through https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/WebGUI 08:11 < rizen_> you might be able to find the specific patches made 08:11 < rizen_> yes 08:12 <+Radix-wrk> cool.. just checking :) 08:12 <+Radix-wrk> We're still using 7.08 because of that ourselves 08:13 < sstanvir> ok rizen, I will pass on the info to my team lead.. 08:14 < sstanvir> lets see if it works patching lib/WebGUI.pm and lib/WebGUI/Session/Http.pm 08:14 < sstanvir> thank u very much 08:15 < rizen_> why would you change the core of WebGUI/ 08:15 < rizen_> ? 08:16 < sstanvir> well.. i dont know much.. but 08:16 < sstanvir> like instead of webGUI authentication method.. some other modules have been made 08:16 < sstanvir> i guess not much change.. 08:16 < sstanvir> but drop by drop it made huge changes 08:17 < rizen_> yeah, and it sounds like you used plugin points 08:17 < rizen_> and if that's true 08:17 < rizen_> then there's no problem 08:17 < sstanvir> i guess so 08:18 <+Radix-wrk> any authentication modules the rest of us could benefit from? :) 08:22 < sstanvir> :) 08:23 < sstanvir> actually its nothing special .. 08:24 < sstanvir> just changed too add some function for user validation or password recovery methods.. 08:59 <+Radix-wrk> http://www.hanselman.com/blog/BeyondElvisEinsteinAndMortNewProgrammingStereotypesForWeb20.aspx 09:02 <+Radix-wrk> hehe.. I'm right at the end in that - the "Not-The-Sysadmin" guy :) 09:13 <+Radix-wrk> On a related note: http://www.theonion.com/content/node/33210 09:52 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:52 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 09:52 -!- mode/#webgui [+v Radix-wrk] by ChanServ 09:55 -!- Radix-work [n=Jesse@formsys.com] has joined #webgui 09:56 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:56 -!- Radix-work [n=Jesse@formsys.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:56 -!- Radix-work [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 10:06 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: rizen_ 10:23 -!- greghacke [n=greghack@208.65.132.187] has joined #webgui 10:24 -!- greghacke [n=greghack@208.65.132.187] has quit [Client Quit] 10:32 -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui 11:08 -!- Radix-work [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] 13:40 -!- sstanvir [n=Tanvir@s208148.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has left #webgui [] 13:51 -!- Radix__ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui 13:51 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: perlbot 13:52 -!- Netsplit over, joins: perlbot 13:53 -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:03 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 15:48 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@135.sub-75-206-71.myvzw.com] has joined #WebGUI 15:49 < SDuensin> Good morning! 15:53 < ckotil> good morning 16:32 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has joined #webgui 16:32 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 16:58 -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui 16:58 -!- mode/#webgui [+o rizen] by ChanServ 18:10 -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] 19:08 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui 19:08 -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ 19:21 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:35 -!- jarcher [n=jarcher@64-142-95-110.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #webgui 20:26 < Khaytsus> preaction: Remember my "asses have disapeared" issue from a week ago? It's mysteriously fixed. 20:26 < Khaytsus> One clue I've gotten is someone said "I went to your page, went to register, filled it out, got the email, and when I clicked the link to verify, the page was blank" 20:26 < Khaytsus> And that was ~7 days ago 20:27 < Khaytsus> So my guess is some process involved in that did some maintenance or something..... I've disabled anonymous registration for now. 20:27 <@rizen> nuba, are you around? 21:38 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has joined #webgui 21:38 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 22:11 -!- jarcher [n=jarcher@64-142-95-110.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [] 22:12 -!- jarcher [n=jarcher@64-142-95-110.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #webgui 22:17 < nuba> rizen: around? 22:18 <@rizen> yeah, on phone...be with you in a min 22:18 < nuba> ok, bbiab, relocating.. 22:20 <@rizen> i'm back when you are 22:20 < nuba> hey 22:20 < nuba> im @ university atm, will be back at home later today 22:20 < nuba> whats up? 22:21 <@rizen> was wondering what the status of the maps asset was....do you think you'll be finished by the feature freeze date (July 2) 22:21 <@rizen> July 20 22:21 < nuba> i hope so 22:22 < nuba> whats the real deadline, for me to submit this to you ? 22:22 < nuba> i understand you want to launch 7.4 onjuly 20, isn't it so ? 22:23 <@rizen> yes...july 20 22:23 <@rizen> that's the real deadline 22:24 < nuba> getting this to you on july 20's noon time would be ok ? 22:25 <@rizen> yup 22:26 < nuba> awesome. will keep it in mind, of course the sooner the better :) 22:27 < nuba> i've got a couple of gmaps ebooks to boost me up to speed 22:28 < nuba> so im confident i'll make it in time for the deadline 22:28 <@rizen> sweet 22:28 <@rizen> i really want to use it on webgui.org 22:28 <@rizen> so webgui users can stick a pin in it for wherever they are and we'll know how far reaching the community is 22:29 < nuba> that'd be rad! 22:29 <@rizen> it would also be neat to see if there are other users local to yourself 22:29 <@rizen> so in my case, how many webgui users in wisconsin 22:29 <@rizen> or in your case, brazil 22:29 <@preaction> rizen: the new 7.4 password recovery, should it be possible to turn it off? or should it always be "email" unless it is "profile field"? 22:29 -!- jarcher [n=jarcher@64-142-95-110.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:30 <@rizen> it should be "off", "email", or "profile based" 22:30 <@rizen> that way we can also add others later if we want 22:30 <@rizen> and some sites don't want you to get back in if you lost your account 22:30 <@preaction> because either this patch wasn't finished or whoever wrote it was being durned lazy... 22:30 <@rizen> that sux 22:30 <@preaction> eh, to be expected 22:31 <@rizen> the good news is that whomever wrote it doesn't work here anymore, and therefore we don't have to put up with crap from them 22:33 < nuba> huh 22:35 <@rizen> nothing for you to worry about nuba 22:35 <@rizen> just an RFE for 7.4 that one of our former employees only half wrote, but that said was done 22:37 <@preaction> yeah, this is what'll take my day today... 22:41 <@preaction> if i'd like the WebGUI::Operation::Settings->www_editSettings to be able to display an error message, knowing that the settings that comprise the form can come from anywhere, would i have to use a session scratch variable (like WebGUI::Asset->www_edit currently does)? 22:42 <@preaction> nevermind, i think i have a good idea 22:50 < nuba> bbiaw 23:34 -!- jamestolley [n=jamestol@static-72-67-255-194.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #webgui 23:34 -!- mode/#webgui [+o jamestolley] by ChanServ 23:48 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@135.sub-75-206-71.myvzw.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:48 < Khaytsus> preaction: You notice I mentioend my assetts problem went away earlier? :) 23:49 <@preaction> yup 23:49 < Khaytsus> Go figure 23:50 < Khaytsus> DAMN work cache.. Just gave me a scare, I thought it was broke again 23:59 <@jamestolley> anyone have an idea how I might change the background color on locked assets? 23:59 <@preaction> in the asset manager i hope? --- Day changed Tue Jul 10 2007 00:00 <@jamestolley> I don't think so... I think it's to show up on each page, if the thing is locked... it looked hairy to me.. 00:04 <@preaction> it might mean when admin mode is on, notice the grey bar above each asset on the page? that's encased in a div. you should be able to edit the template to change the background color of that div 00:04 <@preaction> it doesn't sound like a good idea to me, but whatevz 00:36 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has left #webgui [] 00:47 -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat086.mxim.com] has joined #webgui 00:47 -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ 01:36 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has joined #WebGUI 01:42 <@jamestolley> ... is this your understanding as well ? That these are the places, and nowhere in the code, where these background-colors need to be edited (to be dynamiuc, of course) 01:42 <@jamestolley> oops! 01:43 -!- jarcher [n=jarcher@64-142-95-110.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #webgui 01:43 <+perlDreamer> rizen: If WebGUI wins the community choice award, are you coming out to Portland to accept it? 01:45 < nuba> sourceforge's community awards are great to raise awareness about a given software 01:45 < nuba> im crossing my fingers for webgui 01:46 <+perlDreamer> I'll wear my supply of WebGUI T-shirts to the conference. 01:46 < nuba> i can see a ultramegaboost in the community size if that happens 01:48 < nuba> cause that means appearing in all sorts of medias 01:48 * perlDreamer hopes for more testing whackos 01:48 < nuba> in all sorts of places 01:48 <+perlDreamer> we need to bootstrap the automated browser testing of WebGUI 01:49 < nuba> perlDreamer: was it you who i've talked with about koala ? 01:49 <+perlDreamer> Yes. 01:53 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: @Haarg, perlbot, ckotil, jarcher, +perlDreamer, nuba, Radix__, Khaytsus, SDuensin, pjesi, (+4 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 01:54 -!- Netsplit over, joins: @jamestolley, jarcher, SDuensin, +perlDreamer, @preaction, Radix__, ckotil, nuba, besonen_mobile, pjesi (+2 more) 01:55 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: Khaytsus, @preaction, @jamestolley 01:55 < nuba> in a broader sense, generally speaking, programs which have a GUI could have as well means to report their GUI's features and resources so that they could be programmed. a specific instance of this would be the browser reporting all "hotspots" of a html document being rendered, be it html, embedded plugins, etc. 01:56 -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui 01:56 -!- perlbot [n=perlbot@lv.pm.org] has joined #webgui 01:56 -!- ServerMode/#webgui [+o rizen] by irc.freenode.net 01:56 <+perlDreamer> kind of makes you wonder if that's already been done, automatic GUI testing, rather than the subset of automated browser testing. 01:56 -!- Netsplit over, joins: @preaction, Khaytsus 01:56 < nuba> if you think about koala, its just at the browser level, just at the html 01:57 < nuba> i wonder when we would see something of which koala would be a specialization 01:57 <+perlDreamer> It's more than HTML, because it's automating clicks and other operations, isn't it? 01:59 < nuba> yes 01:59 < nuba> but i bet it wont support clicking on a embedded flash in a page 02:00 < nuba> or java applets 02:00 < nuba> etc. 02:00 < nuba> i used to do lots of automation with this tool long ago http://www.networkautomation.com/automate/interface.htm 02:00 < nuba> but that was more like the usual recorded macros thing 02:09 <@rizen> stupid irc client 02:17 < Radix__> perlDreamer: koala could work on IE as well if it worked well with IETab 02:23 <+perlDreamer> What's IETab? Does it read and interpret FireFox extensions? 02:28 -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat086.mxim.com] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] 03:16 -!- jarcher [n=jarcher@64-142-95-110.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [] 03:22 -!- rizen_ [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui 03:22 -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:31 -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui 03:31 -!- mode/#webgui [+o rizen] by ChanServ 03:31 -!- rizen_ [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 04:14 -!- vayde [n=vayde@c-75-72-85-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 04:20 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 04:20 -!- mode/#webgui [+v Radix-wrk] by ChanServ 05:06 <+Radix-wrk> preaction: http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/09/openmoko-neo-1973-and-advanced-dev-kit-finally-for-sale/ 05:07 <@preaction> damnit damnit damnit 05:07 <@preaction> you'll never guess what i just bought... 05:08 <+Radix-wrk> heh 05:08 <+Radix-wrk> What? 05:08 <+Radix-wrk> the openmoko website is dead anyway.. you'd never get an order in :) 05:08 <@preaction> samsung upstage 05:09 <@preaction> i've got a thirty-day grace period 05:09 <@preaction> but it's the only phone i've found that supports bluetooth DUN, and is a half-way decent mp3 player 05:09 * Radix-wrk googles. 05:09 <+Radix-wrk> looks chunky 05:10 <@preaction> how so? this thing is tiny 05:10 <+Radix-wrk> 3.5mm jack - that's good 05:10 <@preaction> 3.5cm by 9cm by .6cm about 05:10 <+Radix-wrk> Oh.. sorry.. with the battery wallet 05:11 <@preaction> yeah, that's a little bigger 05:11 <+Radix-wrk> Okay.. so it's two sided with a button switching between them? 05:11 <@preaction> yup 05:11 <@preaction> only slightly annoying 05:12 <+Radix-wrk> candy bar design.. hmm.. looks nice enough 05:13 <+Radix-wrk> Dunno about samsung tho 05:13 <+Radix-wrk> How easy is it to connect to your pc and get files on/off it? 05:14 <@preaction> it's decently easy, the samsung drivers appear to support everything standard windows 05:14 <@preaction> haven't tried OSX yet 05:14 <+Radix-wrk> cool 05:14 <@preaction> plus they have a not-quite-intuitive music syncing program (not as good as itunes by a long chalk) 05:14 <+Radix-wrk> Never used a samsung phone myself.. but I know my mum's LG syncing software is diabolical 05:15 <+Radix-wrk> every company does it differently :) 05:15 <@preaction> yeah, it'd be best if they all just decided to support the One Standard (the USB file sync and/or bluetooth file sync) 05:16 <+Radix-wrk> All should have mini usb connectors imho :) 05:16 <@preaction> haven't figured out if it supports bluetooth A2DP yet, there's another phone at spring that does, but it's as big as my old phone (a fracking brick) 05:18 < nuba> why isn't webgui listed here: http://freenode.net/primary_groups.shtml ? 05:18 <+Radix-wrk> yeah, a2dp is nice, though I ended up not using my stereo bluetooth headset as much as I'd thought I would so sold it to a friend 05:18 < nuba> err, #webgui 05:18 < nuba> rizen: ? 05:19 <@rizen> yes nuba 05:19 < nuba> why isn't webgui listed here: http://freenode.net/primary_groups.shtml ? 05:19 <@preaction> i want a2dp so i can get a bluetooth enabled head unit for my car, then my awesome will be complete 05:19 < nuba> im just curious, not whining.. 05:20 <@rizen> that's preactions job 05:20 <@rizen> he's in charge of irc 05:21 < nuba> it seems they can be contacted at web@freenode.net for comments on that page 05:22 <@preaction> i'd have to have vrby or you do all the paperwork, they want a contact address / phone number before they'll give out stuff like that if i remember correctly 05:22 < nuba> i'd comment that "webgui is missing" :) 05:23 <@preaction> they're verified by phone it seems, if i were to fill out a group contact form 06:20 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 06:48 -!- vayde [n=vayde@c-75-72-85-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit ["Exit- stage left"] 09:08 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:08 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui 09:08 -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ 10:08 -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui 10:24 < nuba> here's the reply from web@freenode.net re: link to webgui missing on freenode's website: http://sial.org/pbot/26170 11:27 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] 16:02 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@173.sub-75-206-196.myvzw.com] has joined #WebGUI 16:06 < SDuensin> Good morning! 17:01 <@rizen> Nooooooooooooooo! 17:14 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@casr-dev.fwsm2ppuser.ou.edu] has joined #webgui 17:15 < perlmonkey2> rizen: I've got bad news and worse news. The bad news if I haven't started. The worse news is my project milestone has been pushed back to the middle of next week. So I won't start having, what normal people call, downtime until the middle of next week where I can start on the new survey system. Yes, I am a luser. 17:16 <@rizen> that's horrible and terrible news 17:21 < perlmonkey2> 7.4 is released on the 20th, right? 17:47 <@rizen> yes 18:15 -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] 18:29 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@casr-dev.fwsm2ppuser.ou.edu] has left #webgui [] 18:39 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@casr-dev.fwsm2ppuser.ou.edu] has joined #webgui 18:56 -!- jarcher [n=jarcher@64-142-95-110.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #webgui 19:15 -!- jarcher [n=jarcher@64-142-95-110.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:41 -!- jarcher [n=jarcher@tintangel.cdl.edu] has joined #webgui 20:57 < perlmonkey2> Does WebGUI have any way of accepting/managing payments? 20:59 <@preaction> the Commerce module, currently "beta" 20:59 <@preaction> you can build plugins for payment gateways, currently comes with an Itransact gateway 21:00 <@preaction> and i believe there's a community-contributed Paypal one, but don't quote me on that 21:00 <@preaction> however, from what i hear Commerce is being completely re-written for 8.0, and done right 21:03 < perlmonkey2> 8.0? When is 8.0 coming out? 21:08 <@preaction> probably quite a while from now 21:09 <@preaction> we've gone from 7.1 to 7.4 in the last 10 months of my tenure here, so i'd assume late next year at the very earliest, but that's just idle speculation 21:20 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@casr-dev.fwsm2ppuser.ou.edu] has left #webgui [] 21:26 < Khaytsus> Goes fairly fast.. I missed about 12 updates in 3 months it seemeed when I last updated. 21:29 < Khaytsus> Ad I think I am behind again :) 21:39 < Khaytsus> Yep, one release.. But no biggie, I'll wait. It upgradesnicely anyway. 22:01 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@ip70-189-104-178.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #webgui 23:29 -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat086.mxim.com] has joined #webgui 23:29 -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ 23:58 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@173.sub-75-206-196.myvzw.com] has quit ["Leaving"] --- Day changed Wed Jul 11 2007 01:34 < perlmonkey2> I don't want this to sound like a criticism, because it is an honest question, but why does WebGUI need to be installed in the root directory (I've installed it elsewhere, but I had to change hard coded paths in code). 01:35 <+perlDreamer> it's just the convention 01:35 <@preaction> it's easier to manage. it'd be possible to make the directory configurable, but nobody's done it yet (and i don't know if JT would authorize it) 01:36 < perlmonkey2> Good, I like it. I'm documenting my app for delievery, and I'm looking for reasons as to why I force them into installing it in the root directory. 01:37 < perlmonkey2> And since I'm already being a nusance, can someone point me at the svn URL? I need to grab the latest. 01:38 <+perlDreamer> latest, like 7.4 or latest version of 7.3? 01:38 <+perlDreamer> I'm pretty sure it's on the wiki 01:38 < perlmonkey2> Okay, I'll check there, thanks. 01:39 <+perlDreamer> that has the SVN URL, which is HEAD, which is 7.4 01:40 <+perlDreamer> a copy of 7.3 would be found in https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/branch/WebGUI_7.3 01:41 < perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: Cool thanks. But if I'm going to try to write something for 7.4 release, shouldn't I be using the 7.4 code base? 01:41 <+perlDreamer> yes, but it isn't stable 01:41 <+perlDreamer> use at your own risk 01:43 < perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: Unless someone is working on a new survey system that happens to use my test namespace, I should be fine :) 01:45 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has joined #WebGUI 01:47 <+perlDreamer> http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/webgui-releases-and-svn-revision-numbers 01:48 <+perlDreamer> Anyone know why the table feature is disabled in the Wiki? 01:50 <@preaction> probably because it's just using the Post Rich Editor, which has tables disabled 01:51 <@preaction> you could configure it differently, of course 01:51 <+perlDreamer> or you could flip into HTML mode and enter it directly, too ;) 02:12 -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat086.mxim.com] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] 02:54 -!- jarcher [n=jarcher@tintangel.cdl.edu] has quit [] 03:45 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 03:45 -!- mode/#webgui [+v Radix-wrk] by ChanServ 03:46 <@preaction> should admins be automatically in the Visitors group? 03:50 <+Radix-wrk> aren't admins by definition in every group 03:54 <@preaction> yes, but visitors group is only visitors, no? 03:54 <@preaction> i mean, in the code, there doesn't seem to be an automatic admins <-> visitors relationship 03:56 <+Radix-wrk> Hmm.. visitors may be the exception really.. and kinda makes sense 03:57 <+Radix-wrk> there's probably a fair bit of "if not visitor" code around 03:59 <@preaction> exactly 03:59 <@preaction> but if not visitor = registered user 03:59 <@preaction> that's probably better to do 04:02 <@preaction> unf, better 04:02 <@preaction> fixed that bug 04:41 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 04:41 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythia1] by ChanServ 04:41 <+crythia1> heya 04:42 <+Radix-wrk> howdy stranger 04:42 <+crythia1> images as assets/attachments? 04:43 <+Radix-wrk> yes? 04:43 <+crythia1> has a concensus been made? 04:44 <+Radix-wrk> I must have missed the discussion - not sure what you're talking about :) 04:44 <+crythia1> dev 04:44 <+crythia1> dev list thing 04:46 <+Radix-wrk> Ahh.. I see the thread 04:46 <+Radix-wrk> I'm with the asset crowd 04:46 <@preaction> crythia1: the discussion is the dev list, this is more quick one-on-one. for long-term project goals and stuff that needs all the community involved, that's the dev list 04:46 <@preaction> reply so JT knows what the community wants 04:47 <+Radix-wrk> I still want images inserted into through the html editor to link to the asset, not the image too. 04:47 <+Radix-wrk> Was just thinking of adding that as an RFE again 04:47 <@preaction> i'm more towards storing JSON objects in the database with more information about attachments 04:47 <+crythia1> well, yeah i just wanted to know if anything was hashed out here 04:49 <+crythia1> why can't things be hybrids? 04:49 <+crythia1> hee 04:50 -!- diakopter [n=diakopte@pdpc/supporter/active/diakopter] has joined #webgui 04:50 <+crythia1> they're attached but they can be referenced either as an attachment or asset, depending what you want to do with them. 04:54 <+crythia1> meh 04:54 <+crythia1> ttfn 04:54 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #webgui [] 05:22 * Radix-wrk adds a new RFE and waits for JT to say he hates it. 05:31 * diakopter says JT hates it, for him. 05:31 < diakopter> (j/k; I haven't even looked at the rfe) 05:37 < perlmonkey2> Is there a standard object for use to communicate with Ajaxified pages? 05:40 <@preaction> nope, unless you want httpproxy 05:40 < perlmonkey2> Or would you just use the standard www_ calls and have the ajax handle the results? 05:41 < perlmonkey2> Which probably means a framework of objects on the ajax side shoudl be developed with YUI. 05:41 <@preaction> that's what i do, usually i call them www_ajax* 05:41 < perlmonkey2> preaction: cool. 05:41 <@preaction> and that's underway too, in www/extras/yui-webgui 05:41 < perlmonkey2> you guys think of everything :) 05:42 <@preaction> not everything, but a lot 06:12 < Khaytsus> I should try the project management and wiki.. I haven't yet 06:15 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@ip70-189-104-178.ok.ok.cox.net] has left #webgui [] 06:20 * Radix-wrk just uploaded a Lightbox2 webgui package to webgui.org for anyone interested. 06:24 < Khaytsus> What would that be? 06:26 < Khaytsus> Project Management is a little klunky, but usable mostly 06:26 <@preaction> yeah, that one needs to be redone 06:27 <+Radix-wrk> http://www.webgui.org/user_contributions/user_contributions/packages/lightbox2-template-package 06:27 <+Radix-wrk> Just added a link to my test page showing examples of it's use 06:28 -!- vayde [n=vayde@c-75-72-85-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 06:29 < Khaytsus> That's pretty cool 06:29 < Khaytsus> I have been meaning to put a limited photo album in mine, but have yet to do it 06:30 <+Radix-wrk> yeah, that's what I thought, so I got it to work in webgui :) 06:30 < Khaytsus> heh 06:30 < Khaytsus> So you're a webgui consultant? Interesting. 06:31 <+Radix-wrk> yeah, just starting it up as a business really. 06:31 <+Radix-wrk> just a sideline afterhours really 06:32 < Khaytsus> ah, gotcha.. WebGUI is a good platform. I use about 2% of it I think ;-) 06:33 < Khaytsus> Man I know I'm a complete tard, but I'm not even sure how to start a WIki page.. Guess I'll try editing the content with some standard wiki stuff and see what happens.. 06:37 <+Radix-wrk> you have to search for something before it'll let you add new 06:38 < Khaytsus> oh, doh.. That's a shortcut to it in TWiki, didn't think about that. 06:38 < Khaytsus> I always make a WikiWord so it's not orphaned 06:38 < Khaytsus> That's a little unclear... 06:39 <+Radix-wrk> I happen to agree :) 06:42 < Khaytsus> And the WikiWord links are... odd 06:42 < Khaytsus> ThisWord, the link is Word 06:47 < Khaytsus> I'll have to try that template tommorrow, neat stuff 06:56 < Khaytsus> Hey, that was easy ;-) 06:56 < Khaytsus> I need to resize the images, ahem :) 07:00 < Khaytsus> Be nice if I could figure out how to display all the images directly, rather than in an album below the main page. 07:01 < Khaytsus> I must be missing something :) 07:07 <+Radix-wrk> Hmm.. not sure how you'd do that, but it might be possible 07:07 <+Radix-wrk> the images are attached to a thread - and essentially you're viewing a thread when you click on an album 07:21 -!- vayde [n=vayde@c-75-72-85-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:27 <@preaction> would it be prudent for a feature to make links? i mean everything else can be handled by the HTML editor, but perhaps let [[WikiWord]] be a wiki link? 07:27 <@preaction> that would probably make things a lot better for the wiki 07:27 <@preaction> that and adding Category pages 07:27 <@preaction> or Tag pages 08:00 -!- preaction_ [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui 08:14 <@rizen> tags are in 08:14 <@rizen> added it to 7.4 08:15 <@rizen> as far as making links, i'd prefer that stuff only gets automagically linked or hand linked. i don't like wikis that link to pages that don't exist 08:17 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 10:11 -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui 10:38 -!- preaction_ [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 11:51 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] 13:39 < Khaytsus> I personally prefer to make preferences to WikiWords that I plan on defining, then defining them. Yes, I doo hate when those WikiWords don't get defined, but at least the template is there. 13:40 < Khaytsus> That's always how I create pages in TWiki myself; fill in content and WikiWords as I go along, then go in and fill in each of the WikiWords content. 14:09 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 15:40 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@102.sub-75-207-150.myvzw.com] has joined #WebGUI 15:44 < SDuensin> Greetings! 15:48 -!- AMH_mari [n=mari@alphamega-dmp.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:50 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@casr-dev.fwsm2ppuser.ou.edu] has joined #webgui 17:03 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui 17:03 -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ 17:12 -!- jdan [n=jdan@xdsl-461.lubin.dialog.net.pl] has joined #webgui 17:22 < jdan> Hi everybody. I'm new to WebGUI 7, but very familiar with WebGUI 5. I am looking form document which describe how to testing new Perl modules. The problem is that I have to restart Apache every time I change source. Could someone point me any solution how to set my environment? 17:37 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@102.sub-75-207-150.myvzw.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:46 < Radix__> jdan: is this what you're looking for? http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/configure-the-wre-for-developers 17:48 < Radix__> http://www.webgui.org/webgui/dev/discuss/stop--start/6 - this topic has more info as well on how to configure Apache2::Reload 17:49 < jdan> Radix__: Almost. I don't use WRE. So I am trying configure my Apache2 to work with Apache2::Reload. Unfortunately I don't know how to set WebGUI path to @INC in config 17:50 < Radix__> Check out that second topic then 17:50 < Radix__> IMHO if you're not using the WRE then you're shooting yourself in the foot from the get-go ;) 17:51 < Radix__> Good luck! :) 17:51 * Radix__ wanders off to bed. 17:52 < jdan> ok, I will install WRE on my Debian. 17:56 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@71.sub-75-206-78.myvzw.com] has joined #WebGUI 18:05 < jdan> Radix__: I found solution. I added "PerlSwitches -Ipath-to-webgui_lib" and Apache2 reload modules if it is changed 18:21 -!- jdan [n=jdan@xdsl-461.lubin.dialog.net.pl] has quit ["Leaving"] 19:01 -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui 19:01 -!- mode/#webgui [+v Radix_] by ChanServ 19:02 -!- Radix__ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:26 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: Khaytsus 19:26 -!- jarcher [n=jarcher@tintangel.cdl.edu] has joined #webgui 19:28 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Khaytsus 19:31 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@71.sub-75-206-78.myvzw.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 19:39 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@168.sub-75-207-41.myvzw.com] has joined #WebGUI 20:40 -!- besonen_mobile_ [n=besonen_@71-220-233-253.eugn.qwest.net] has joined #webgui 20:41 -!- Radix__ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui 20:41 -!- besonen_mobile [n=besonen_@71-220-233-253.eugn.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:41 -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:03 -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat086.mxim.com] has joined #webgui 21:03 -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ 21:17 <+perlDreamer> I need a cross platform check on a test that's failing. 21:17 <+perlDreamer> Does anyone have 5 minutes to run a test for me on their system? 21:21 <@rizen> i have osx ppc, will that work? 21:21 <+perlDreamer> sure. 21:21 <@rizen> and i only have 7.4 set up right now...can i use that? 21:21 <+perlDreamer> Yes. 21:21 <@rizen> ok then 21:21 <@rizen> what do you need? 21:22 <+perlDreamer> export WEBGUI_CONFIG=/data/WebGUI/etc/rizens.conf 21:22 <@rizen> done 21:22 <+perlDreamer> cd /data/WebGUI/t 21:22 <+perlDreamer> perl Macro/FetchMimeType.t 21:22 <@rizen> should i update to latest? 21:22 <@rizen> i'm probably a few hours behind 21:22 <+perlDreamer> It won't matter 21:22 <@rizen> k 21:23 <+perlDreamer> Does the test pass? 21:23 <@rizen> running 21:23 <@rizen> no 21:23 <@rizen> 1..7 21:23 <@rizen> ok 1 - use WebGUI::Macro::FetchMimeType; 21:23 <@rizen> ok 2 - gif 21:23 <@rizen> ok 3 - jpeg 21:23 <@rizen> not ok 4 - plain text 21:23 <@rizen> # Failed test 'plain text' 21:23 <@rizen> # in Macro/FetchMimeType.t at line 73. 21:23 <@rizen> # got: 'application/octet-stream' 21:23 <@rizen> # expected: 'text/plain' 21:23 <@rizen> ok 5 - octet-stream for unknown type 21:23 <@rizen> ok 6 - Null path returns application/octet-stream 21:23 <@rizen> ok 7 - Undef path returns undef 21:23 <@rizen> # Looks like you failed 1 test of 7. 21:23 <+perlDreamer> weird 21:24 <+perlDreamer> It looks like javascript files are handled differently than they have been in the past. 21:24 <+perlDreamer> I'll update the test. 21:25 <+perlDreamer> The test suite caught two fatal bugs today, so now I'm doing other triage. 21:26 <@rizen> cool 21:42 <+perlDreamer> 13788 tests run, all clean 21:42 <+perlDreamer> I'll run the CODE_COP tests later, too 21:43 -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat086.mxim.com] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] 23:24 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@casr-dev.fwsm2ppuser.ou.edu] has left #webgui [] 23:55 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@168.sub-75-207-41.myvzw.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:56 -!- jarcher [n=jarcher@tintangel.cdl.edu] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] --- Day changed Thu Jul 12 2007 01:10 -!- jarcher [n=jarcher@tintangel.cdl.edu] has joined #webgui 01:40 < Khaytsus> Hmmmm, how does one convert an article into a thread? I was thinking I saw a way to do that once. I have a handful of articles that I now want to put into a collaboration system (Topics template0 01:40 < Khaytsus> Copy and paste I suppose... I tried just moving them into the Collaboration System under Manage, but that didn't do much :) 01:40 <@rizen> copy and paste the content 01:40 < Khaytsus> k, I figured that was gonna be the asnwer. 01:41 <@rizen> if it were more than a handful, it may be useful to write a program to do it 01:41 <@rizen> but in this case..not really 01:41 < Khaytsus> Nah, not too many 01:42 < Khaytsus> Just figured I might be missing something 01:42 < Khaytsus> Thanks :) 02:11 -!- Radix__ is now known as Radix_ 02:11 -!- Radix_ changed the topic of #webgui to: [ WebGUI 7.3.20 | WRE 0.7.2 ] - Come To The WUC http://www.plainblack.com/wuc 02:11 -!- mode/#webgui [+v Radix_] by ChanServ 02:21 <+Radix_> preaction: what's with the multiple personalities? :) ie. DBell and preaction on the forums 02:23 <@preaction> apparently "alias" isn't good enough for some parts of WebGUI 02:23 <@preaction> i imagine i'll go into the db and change my username someday 02:23 <+Radix_> heh 02:25 <+Radix_> Alias works - but each thread post must embed the name used or something 02:25 <+Radix_> http://www.webgui.org/install/upgrade_help/installing-webgui-7_3_19-problem/5#idALwBgIblIekyP2AiAldqOA 02:25 <+Radix_> your first reply is listed as DBell, then the second is preaction 02:25 <+Radix_> same userid each time tho 02:25 <@preaction> yeah, between there i changed my alias 02:26 <@preaction> (the original alias defaults to username) 02:30 <+Radix_> do you know if a 7.3.21 is planned at all? 02:32 <@preaction> i think it is, i think there'll be one more stable release before 7.4 02:32 <+Radix_> if you get a chance, could you roll this one line change into it? - http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/left-admin-bar-overlap-problem 02:32 <@preaction> but 7.4 was pushed back, so there might be another 02:33 <+Radix_> it was posted a while back, but I don't think anyone noticed 02:33 <@preaction> it was just a damned specificity problem? 02:33 <+Radix_> just z-index wasn't set for the right object 02:33 <+Radix_> or rather was set in wrong css tag 02:34 <@preaction> .slidePanel and #slidePanel refer to the same thing (in theory), but classes are "less specific" than IDs, which assigns them less weight to the cascade, so z-index: 100; becomes more important 02:34 <@preaction> i'll put this on my to-do list 02:35 <+Radix_> no, .slidepanel is included only if class="slidepanel", #slidepanel is only included if id="slidepanel" 02:36 <+Radix_> cheers anyway 02:38 * Radix_ heads off to work. 03:07 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@ip70-189-104-178.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #webgui 03:08 <@rizen> radix, yes there will be a 7.3.21 release 03:11 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has joined #WebGUI 03:14 -!- jarcher [n=jarcher@tintangel.cdl.edu] has quit [] 03:53 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 03:53 -!- mode/#webgui [+v Radix-wrk] by ChanServ 03:56 < perlmonkey2> rizen: (Concerning the survey) Since a lot of survey's are eventually exported either into number crunchers like SPSS, or to reporting applications, could we add a way to assign user defined variable names to each question, and then an export option which would transpose the results with the columns labeled with the user defined variable names? 03:57 <@rizen> can you do it in such a way that doesn't make the export system difficult to use? 03:57 <+Radix-wrk> Why not just use webgui to display the results? 03:57 <@rizen> cuz a lot of people just want to export to a spreadsheet or something 03:58 < perlmonkey2> rizen: definetly, I'd make the user defined variable names optional and just another column in the question table, not used until the user exports as TAB TRANSPOSED or something. 03:59 <@rizen> i'm all for making the system better 03:59 <@rizen> so sure 03:59 < perlmonkey2> groovy 04:00 < perlmonkey2> by-the-by, the new (I guess it is new) youtube vid is pretty slick. Nice graphics and voice over. 04:02 <@rizen> it's actually been on our site for 6 months 04:02 <@rizen> but the reorg of our site brought it front and center 04:02 <@rizen> thanks 04:02 < perlmonkey2> I usually look at your site from work where I'm running 64 bit fedora ie no Flash. 04:03 <+Radix-wrk> imho it's not wow enough - it's just a powerpoint slide with a voiceover 04:03 < perlmonkey2> For a FOSS project it's pretty frik'n major. 04:03 <+Radix-wrk> that said, it's better than one I could make :) 04:04 <@rizen> we're talking about a business productivity tool here...how wow can you get? 04:04 <@rizen> it's not like we're doing 3d animation, or cutting off people's heads 04:05 <@rizen> =) 04:41 -!- jarcher [n=jarcher@64-142-95-110.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #webgui 04:41 -!- jarcher [n=jarcher@64-142-95-110.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Client Quit] 04:42 -!- jarcher [n=jarcher@64-142-95-110.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #webgui 04:44 < perlmonkey2> Okay, I'm an idiot, and not afraid to admit it. On my fresh install of F7, I'm trying to creating a WebGUI instance from the svn latest. But I'm missing jpg's and the admin bar won't appear. I'm positive this has to do with permissions, but I've given apache the golden key to everything. 05:06 < perlmonkey2> Is someone working on the workflow? 05:06 < perlmonkey2> "Root cause: Unknown column 'mode' in 'where clause'" 05:08 <@rizen> yes i made some changes to workflow 05:08 <@rizen> you need to run the upgrade 05:16 < perlmonkey2> running the upgrade didn't work. "NO UPGRADES NECESSARY". Is there a way to force it? 05:17 <@rizen> what version is your database? 05:17 < perlmonkey2> crap 05:17 <@rizen> this is just a dev instance right? 05:17 < perlmonkey2> no, the database should be the latest. 05:17 < perlmonkey2> correct 05:17 <@rizen> ok then do this 05:17 < perlmonkey2> I recreated the database after svn update 05:18 <@rizen> mysql -e "drop database dbname; create database dbname" 05:18 <@rizen> mysql dbname < /data/WebGUI/docs/previousVersion.sql 05:18 <@rizen> cd /data/WebGUI/sbin 05:18 <@rizen> perl upgrade.pl 05:18 < perlmonkey2> ic....cool, thanks. 05:18 <@rizen> if you do that, then you'll be all good 05:18 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: +Radix_ 05:19 <@rizen> i usually create a script to do that among other things 05:19 <@rizen> cuz i screw up my database a lot while developing 05:19 <@rizen> you may want to consider making one too 05:19 < perlmonkey2> Good idea, I'll do that. 05:20 <@rizen> if you want, i can give you my script 05:20 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Radix_ 05:20 -!- mode/#webgui [+v Radix_] by ChanServ 05:21 < perlmonkey2> That would be even better. 05:25 <@rizen> http://rafb.net/p/tL6yRZ40.html 05:26 < perlmonkey2> Thanks 05:26 <@rizen> np 05:59 -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 06:07 -!- vayde [n=vayde@c-75-72-85-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 06:18 -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui 06:18 -!- mode/#webgui [+o rizen] by ChanServ 06:23 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@ip70-189-104-178.ok.ok.cox.net] has left #webgui [] 06:56 -!- jarcher [n=jarcher@64-142-95-110.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [] 07:57 -!- vayde [n=vayde@c-75-72-85-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:36 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:01 -!- Leon [n=leon@as10p145.access.maltanet.net] has joined #webgui 10:01 < Leon> any one here ? 10:03 <+Radix-wrk> Yup 10:03 < Leon> is this a help channel or what ? hehe 10:03 <+Radix-wrk> To a certain extent.. if we can help anyway :) 10:03 < Leon> hehe... 10:03 < Leon> listen then.. maybe you can 10:03 < Leon> i installed webgui 7.3.19 yest.. 10:04 < Leon> but having a problem with images, and can't get the idea of what the problem can be as i tried all permisions.. 10:04 < Leon> www.ecwdp.com 10:04 <+Radix-wrk> Checked your webgui logs? 10:05 < Leon> can it be a problem with spectre ? 10:05 <+Radix-wrk> perlbot paste 10:05 < perlbot> Paste your code to http://sial.org/pbot/perl or http://erxz.com/pb and #perl will be able to view it. 10:06 <+Radix-wrk> paste a copy of your webgui.log in using one of those sites and let me know the url you get. 10:06 <+Radix-wrk> I reckon your permissions are setup wrong though at a guess 10:07 <+Radix-wrk> you have to ensure that the entire uploads folder is chown to nobody:nobody 10:07 < Leon> http://sial.org/pbot/26233 10:07 < Leon> yep nobody.nobody 10:08 <+Radix-wrk> and what is apache set to run under? 10:08 <+Radix-wrk> most distro's use nobody, but perhaps it's using something different? 10:08 <+Radix-wrk> www or something maybe 10:08 < Leon> i setted up apache to run as nobody.nobody 10:09 < Leon> # User/Group: The name (or #number) of the user/group to run httpd as. 10:09 < Leon> # It is usually good practice to create a dedicated user and group for 10:09 < Leon> # running httpd, as with most system services. 10:09 < Leon> # 10:09 < Leon> User nobody 10:09 < Leon> Group nobody 10:09 < Leon> 10:10 < Leon> i have 2 apaches running on the same machine.. 10:10 <+Radix-wrk> and what are the permissions on that file/dir? 10:10 < Leon> apache1 and apache2 10:10 <+Radix-wrk> on the /home/WebGUI/www/ one 10:10 < Leon> tried with 600, 666, 755, 775 10:10 <+Radix-wrk> Hmm.. wierd 10:11 < Leon> yeah i can't get the idea of what the problem is :/ 10:11 < Leon> can it be a problem with spectre ? 10:11 <+Radix-wrk> no, doesn't look like it's getting that far 10:11 <+Radix-wrk> WebGUI is trying to simply store the files on the disk, and it's failing to create the directories at all 10:12 <+Radix-wrk> what distro are you using? 10:12 < Leon> red hat enterprise 4 10:12 <+Radix-wrk> and where did you get the apache from? yum or the cd itself? 10:12 < Leon> and apache 2.2.4 10:13 < Leon> from apache's website 10:13 <+Radix-wrk> Oh.. so you compiled it yourself? 10:13 < Leon> yep 10:13 <+Radix-wrk> Hmm.. 10:13 <+Radix-wrk> Are you sure it's using the apache.conf that you think it is? 10:14 < Leon> the httpd.conf you mean ? 10:14 <+Radix-wrk> yeah 10:14 < Leon> yeah apache1 and apache2 are running on different ip's 10:14 <+Radix-wrk> using two separate copies of apache? 10:15 < Leon> yes 10:15 < Leon> cpanel only works with apache1 atm 10:15 <+Radix-wrk> could the webgui apache be using the httpd.conf from the other apache setup? 10:16 < Leon> no i don't think so.. 10:17 < Leon> because there isn't the setup of mod_perl on the apache1 10:17 < Leon> and i have another server with same setup... i have webgui 5.2.12 on it 10:17 < Leon> it works fine 10:18 <+Radix-wrk> Hmm... 10:18 <+Radix-wrk> When you dumped the module config before from your httpd.conf - you said " " at the end 10:19 <+Radix-wrk> what module was that? 10:19 < Leon> aha 10:19 < Leon> 10:20 <+Radix-wrk> err.. 10:20 < Leon> apache kemm with it.. 10:20 <+Radix-wrk> user and group shouldn't need to be defined inside a ifmodule tag 10:20 < Leon> *came 10:21 < Leon> i tried to make them outside the tag 10:21 < Leon> but the start 10:21 < Leon> *didn't 10:23 * Radix-wrk applies his language parser to the above few lines and tries to make head or tail of its meaning. 10:23 < Leon> lol 10:24 < Leon> i tried defining the user and group outside the ifmodule tag.. 10:24 < Leon> but then apache didn't start 10:24 <+Radix-wrk> Hmm.. that's odd 10:24 <+Radix-wrk> Any particular reason why you didn't just use the wre? 10:25 < Leon> hmm no i don't think so.. 10:25 < Leon> wre if i have perl already installed it will skip it or ? 10:25 <+Radix-wrk> the WRE is complete by itself 10:26 < Leon> so it won't clash with already installed? 10:26 <+Radix-wrk> Good question 10:26 < Leon> hehe 10:27 <+Radix-wrk> ideally no, though I know the wre mysql will be overridden if you already have one 10:27 <+Radix-wrk> it comes with a compiled and optimised apache/modperl/modproxy setup 10:27 <+Radix-wrk> and some very nifty scripts for adding sites, etc 10:27 < Leon> hmm.. 10:27 <+Radix-wrk> it's also the recommended way of installing Webgui 10:28 <+Radix-wrk> WebGUI relies on a lot of perl scripts, and the ones in cpan aren't always the best ones to use 10:28 < Leon> hehe.. i installed the 5.2.12 without wre and thought 7.3.19 would be something simimalr 10:28 < Leon> what was that of mysql thing ? 10:29 <+Radix-wrk> yeah, the 5.x series was a lot easier to install, webgui has grown heaps since then, but also added a lot more perl modules 10:29 <+Radix-wrk> the WRE makes all that so much easier to manage 10:29 < Leon> i'll try it off.. 10:29 < Leon> it won't earase my databases right ? 10:30 <+Radix-wrk> yikes, I should hope not :) 10:30 < Leon> i hope so.. 10:30 < Leon> lol 10:30 <+Radix-wrk> that said, always make a backup! 10:31 < Leon> i'll try it off.. 10:31 < Leon> thanks for your help :) 10:31 <+Radix-wrk> np 11:04 -!- jdan [n=jdan@xdsl-461.lubin.dialog.net.pl] has joined #webgui 11:06 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] 11:58 < Leon> any one can help ? 12:18 -!- Leon [n=leon@as10p145.access.maltanet.net] has quit [] 14:07 < Khaytsus> I haven't tried the WRE, as I didn't want to dedicate the whole server to webgui. I have other cgi's, php, etc, running on the box. Perhaps there's a way to coexist or have the WRE use the existing httpd. 14:07 < Khaytsus> (Just a statement... :) 14:08 < Khaytsus> I wonder if 7.x has gotten more difficul to install.. 6.8 wasn't too bad, but it took a heck of a lot of compiling modules (some of which would compile on their own, some I had to compile... which was odd) 14:59 < pjesi> Khaytsus: they are coexisting over here 15:30 -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@59.sub-75-206-65.myvzw.com] has joined #WebGUI 15:36 < SDuensin> Good morning. 15:53 < Khaytsus> pjesi: I'll have to try it, I read it as they wouldn't. 16:09 < pjesi> my setup is basically WRE + normal http 16:09 < pjesi> I use the mod_proxy in the WRE to serve requests to the regualr http 16:10 < pjesi> mod_proxy on 80, mod_perl on 81, and then the distro http with whatever php and stuff on other port 16:28 < jdan> Hey, how $self->session->form->process works? I can't found 'process' subroutine. I have to view it to learn how it works. 16:31 < jdan> Definitely I don't know how WebGUI::Form inherit process subroutine 16:43 < pjesi> SDuensin: you in #eclipse? :P 16:45 < SDuensin> Yep. I'm losing a battle with it and seriously need help. 16:48 < pjesi> sorry I have not had that usecase for it 16:55 < SDuensin> I have, and it's a serious issue. :-( 16:59 < pjesi> what are you using eclipse for? 17:00 < SDuensin> My ZK Desktop project. 17:01 < pjesi> are you using Europa? 17:01 < SDuensin> Yea 17:09 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@casr-dev.fwsm2ppuser.ou.edu] has joined #webgui 17:17 < jdan> Sorry for my foolish question. I mistaked WebGUI::Form with WebGUI::Session::Form. Ech 18:56 -!- wenzu [n=leon@as10p145.access.maltanet.net] has joined #webgui 18:56 < wenzu> anyone here ? 18:57 <@preaction> yes'm 18:57 < wenzu> what does the commit changes does in webgui ? 18:57 < wenzu> i'm used with old webgui and can't figure out how to change style in the new one 18:58 -!- jdan [n=jdan@xdsl-461.lubin.dialog.net.pl] has quit ["Leaving"] 18:58 <@preaction> when you change an asset, you create a new Revision of that asset. that revision is marked as "pending" until it's committed (when it's marked as "approved") 18:59 <@preaction> the latest version of an approved asset is the one that appears, unless you have your own pending version (are working under your own version tag) 19:00 < wenzu> couse before i created my own style... done it in webgui and everything.. and i was seeing it logged in.. when i logged out everything was gone.. 19:00 <@preaction> because you did not commit your version tag 19:01 < wenzu> so.. i'll create a version tag.. 19:01 < wenzu> do everything, and then commit ? 19:01 <@preaction> they're created automatically 19:02 < wenzu> and what things come locked ? 19:02 < wenzu> *why 19:03 <@preaction> because they're being edited under a different version tag 19:03 < wenzu> ah ic 19:03 <@preaction> (incidentally, this and more is all explained in the Content Manager's Guide from Plain Black) 19:03 < wenzu> so my main problem are the version tags 19:03 < wenzu> hehe 19:04 < wenzu> ah shi... 19:04 < wenzu> i was only looking at webgui.org 19:06 <@preaction> i'm an employee at plainblack, gotta push the product (especially when it answers so many questions) 19:07 < wenzu> didn't release how much webgui changed from my old 5.1.12 19:07 < wenzu> totally different 19:08 <@rizen> once you get used to it, i think you'll find that it may be totally different, but it's totally better 19:08 <@preaction> yeah, hopefully people start coming out from the 5.x/6.x rock 19:13 < wenzu> i'll just press commit my changes and thats all ? 19:14 <@preaction> the comment page will pop up and request you insert a comment, but that's optional, and then "save" and then spectre will do the commit, usually in a few seconds 19:15 -!- jarcher [n=jarcher@64-142-95-110.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #webgui 19:18 < wenzu> sorry i'm going to annoy you... 19:19 < wenzu> i created a folder.. commited changes.. and folder isn't there 19:20 <@rizen> is this on a custom server or on demo.webgui.org? 19:20 < wenzu> custom 19:20 <@rizen> are you sure you have spectre set up correctly? 19:20 <@rizen> log in to your server 19:20 <@rizen> and type 19:20 <@rizen> cd /data/WebGUI/sbin 19:20 < wenzu> aha 19:20 <@rizen> perl spectre.pl --test 19:21 <@rizen> spectre is the workflow governor 19:21 <@rizen> you can't commit changes without it 19:21 < wenzu> ah shit 19:21 < wenzu> ERROR: Spectre cannot communicate with WebGUI. Perhaps you need to adjust the spectreSubnets setting in this config file: 19:22 <@rizen> *ding* - we have a winner 19:22 <@rizen> =) 19:22 < wenzu> lol 19:23 < wenzu> this webgui is making me mad 19:23 <@rizen> don't be mad 19:23 <@rizen> you have to have some faith...once you get it up and running, you're going to love 7.x 19:23 <@rizen> and not know how you ever even survived with 5.x 19:23 < wenzu> hehe 19:24 <@rizen> i quite literally hear that all the time 19:24 <@rizen> people always hate 7 if they've used 5 19:24 <@rizen> but then they get used to it 19:24 <@rizen> and can't imagine how they ever used 5 19:24 < wenzu> 5 is nice and easy :P 19:24 <@rizen> you say that now 19:25 <@rizen> i'll talk to you at the beginning of august 19:25 <@rizen> after you've been using 7 for a bit 19:25 < wenzu> and easy too install too :P 19:25 <@rizen> so is webgui 7 19:25 <@rizen> if you do it following the instructions 19:25 <@rizen> meaning use the WRE 19:25 < wenzu> i did 19:25 < wenzu> but now i got this error in spectre 19:26 <@rizen> did you answer the question about subnets correctly when you installed the WRE? 19:27 < wenzu> i guess yes 19:27 <@rizen> edit your webgui config 19:27 < wenzu> i can't see the subnet setting in spectre.conf :/ 19:27 <@rizen> look for spectreSubnets 19:27 <@rizen> it's not in there it's in the webgui config 19:28 <@rizen> make sure it looks like 19:28 < wenzu> ah this is strange... i only have WebGUI.conf.original 19:28 < SDuensin> wenzu - I was a huge fan of 5.x and never went to 6. After 7 "clicks" with you, 5 looks downright primitive. It's fantastic. 19:28 < SDuensin> (Hi rizen) 19:28 <@rizen> "spectreSubnets" : ["127.0.0.1/32", "1.1.1.1/32"], 19:28 <@rizen> where 1.1.1.1 is replaced with your server's IP 19:29 <@rizen> howdy SD 19:29 < wenzu> i only have WebGUI.conf.original 19:29 < wenzu> strange eh ? 19:29 <@rizen> you should also have 19:29 <@rizen> www.yoursite.com.conf 19:29 <@rizen> that's your webgui config 19:29 < wenzu> a ok 19:30 < SDuensin> rizen - Totally off topic, but I shipped a HUGE update to the ZK Desktop. The new super-duper Wonder Grid CRUD tool is in! 19:30 <@rizen> ZK Desktop is only for doobie smokers and crank yankers 19:30 <@rizen> WebGUI Desktop is where it's at 19:30 <@rizen> =) 19:31 <@rizen> thanks for the heads up SD, i'll have to get a download 19:31 < SDuensin> Yea, and on that front, I did some reading about YUI + EXT today. Wow does that produce some awesome looking UIs. 19:32 <@rizen> yeah YUI and Ext are amazing, they just aren't neat autogen frameworks like ZK is 19:32 <@rizen> they have the super flexible, powerful, and well documented API's 19:33 <@rizen> but it would be nice if they also had some prebuilt power tools like zk 19:33 <@rizen> i suppose then 19:33 <@rizen> they couldn't be server side neutral though 19:33 <@rizen> which is why they don't do it 19:33 < SDuensin> Like I said before, my whole reason for ZK was the server-side stuff. It's great not having to deal with the browser. 19:33 < SDuensin> Yup. 19:34 < wenzu> its ok now.. 19:34 < wenzu> thanks rizen :) 19:34 < wenzu> one other think.. 19:35 < wenzu> can i edit something so that when i create a new site its config will be with the right subnet ? 19:36 <@rizen> yes 19:37 <@rizen> it's /data/wre/var/hoster.arg.cache 19:37 <@rizen> if you make it look like this then you'll be good: 19:37 <@rizen> spectreSubnets:10.0.0.101/32, \ 19:37 <@rizen> 127.0.0.1/32 19:37 < wenzu> k fixed :) 19:38 < wenzu> ur the king of the swing 19:38 <@rizen> use 7 for a month, then i dare you to tell me you still like 5 better than 7 19:39 < wenzu> hehe 19:39 <@rizen> i say there's a 95% chance you won't be able to do it 19:39 < wenzu> i hope so.. 19:39 < wenzu> and is the adminbar a bit bugged or is mine a bit fu.... ? 19:39 < SDuensin> 99% :-) 19:40 < wenzu> ah i think the "bug" was the spectre lol 19:41 < wenzu> ok this is far better now working fine :) 19:42 < wenzu> let me take the opportunity and ask another thing that i didn't find on 5.. 19:42 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@casr-dev.fwsm2ppuser.ou.edu] has left #webgui [] 19:42 < wenzu> can i make like a page in the style lets say.. on the right hand side of the website.. and it will be updateable.. 19:43 < wenzu> bot a template with the numbers like 5 was.. i want it in every page and updateable 19:43 < wenzu> *not 19:43 < SDuensin> Same thing on each page? 19:43 < wenzu> yes 19:43 < SDuensin> Shortcuts! 19:44 < SDuensin> You can make a shortcut of an asset and paste it elsewhere on the site. 19:44 < SDuensin> Or include the asset in the style with a macro. 19:44 < wenzu> hmm 19:44 < wenzu> i'll try that 19:45 < wenzu> cheers :) 19:45 < SDuensin> Enjoy! 19:46 < wenzu> i'll do 19:47 < wenzu> its surely faster eh 19:48 <@rizen> Read the wiki about the ^AssetProxy(); macr 19:48 <@rizen> macro 19:48 < wenzu> thanks again :) 19:48 < wenzu> very helpfull guys 19:52 -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [] 19:56 -!- wenzu [n=leon@as10p145.access.maltanet.net] has quit [] 19:57 -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui 19:57 -!- mode/#webgui [+o rizen] by ChanServ 20:52 < ckotil> anyone hear of cosign integration into webgui? 20:52 < ckotil> its another sso solution. 20:54 -!- jarcher [n=jarcher@64-142-95-110.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [] 21:00 <@rizen> i heard it when you said it on irc last week 21:00 <@rizen> =) 21:02 -!- perlmonkey2 [n=perlmonk@ip70-189-104-178.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #webgui 21:02 -!- jarcher [n=jarcher@64-142-95-110.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #webgui 21:16 < ckotil> yah, i said we were thinking about moving to cosign 21:17 < ckotil> we have development cosign servers up and running. 21:17 < ckotil> its going to be a breeze to switch everything to cosign, and since it has a kerberos backend. the change will not be very drastic, only a cosmetic change to our users. 21:18 < ckotil> but, so far we havent figured out an elegant solution to make a pluggable authentication module for webgui. 22:18 <@preaction> what's the backend? are there command-line authorization scripts? are there Perl modules for authentication or perhaps something you can use with Inline::* modules? 22:24 < ckotil> its perl. 22:24 < ckotil> dunno about using modules with it. 22:26 <@preaction> if it's written in Perl it should be trivial to build an auth module against it (or at least not exceedingly difficult) 22:30 <@preaction> this looks like C 22:32 < ckotil> compiled cgi 22:32 < ckotil> hrmm maybe the daemon IS c 22:32 < ckotil> *3001#12345#* type this into your iPhones! 22:32 < ckotil> 'field info' 22:32 < ckotil> aka debug mode 22:33 <@preaction> theoretically though wouldn't you use the cosign server to actually do the auth, and only use the WebGUI::Auth::Cosign to get a username from the cosign cookie? 22:34 <@preaction> so you only really need to be able to read the cookie and get a webgui userId from it 22:34 < ckotil> ah. 22:34 < ckotil> yeah that sounds good. 22:34 < ckotil> pretty much how CAS sso works. 22:34 <@preaction> unfortunately, like most code that i get to read, nobody ever documents or comments, so since i don't really know C, this is a lot of gibberish 22:36 <@preaction> but it looks like a cookie named "cosign" is created with two text strings separated by a / (one called "new_cookiebuf" and another called "tv.tv_sec") <- if you find out what those two things are, you can find out who's logged in and what's happening with it 22:37 <@preaction> but it also seems that cosign requires SSL 22:39 <@preaction> have you ever looked at Yadis / OpenID (or LID)? i know OpenID is written in Perl and would be easy to port to WebGUI 22:41 < ckotil> we have not. 22:42 < ckotil> so the problem we're going to run into with cosign is that it pretty mcuh requires webgui to be behind mod_cosign.