--- Log opened Fri Dec 01 00:00:38 2006
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00:01 < snapcount> here you go perlDreamer 
00:01 < snapcount> http://search.cpan.org/~bingos/POE-Component-IRC-5.14/lib/POE/Component/IRC.pm
00:01 < snapcount> an IRC module for POE
00:02 <+perlDreamer> so instead of plugging it into webgui, we'd plug it into spectre
00:02 <+perlDreamer> that's doable
00:04 < snapcount> this one looks easier
00:04 < snapcount> http://search.cpan.org/~jmuhlich/Net-IRC-0.75/IRC.pm
00:04 < snapcount> trouble is that I don't know POE and I don't know the IRC protocol
00:05 < snapcount> two requirements to use the first one
00:05 <+perlDreamer> if we plug it into Spectre, then it could log _any_ IRC channel.  If we don't we'd have to run _some_ daemon to log data before it's displayed.
00:05 < snapcount> the POE version would be ideal
00:06 < snapcount> it could trigger events in WebGUI like updating the IRC chat wobject
00:06 < snapcount> to show the message that was just typed
00:06 <+perlDreamer> webgui: change admin password to '456rty';
00:06 <+perlDreamer> webgui: commit all version tags
00:07 < snapcount> heh
00:07 <+perlDreamer> that last one isn't so bad
00:07 <+perlDreamer> imagine a WSDL interface into WebGUI.
00:07 < snapcount> that would be sweet
00:08 < snapcount> no browser requirement
00:08 <+perlDreamer> Dial 533 to remove this user's account
00:08 < snapcount> yep
00:08 <+perlDreamer> so, while y'all are here
00:08 < snapcount> please deposit $0.25 to add this asset and press 1
00:08 <+perlDreamer> I need to know enough about SharePoint to convince my friend not to use it for his company.
00:09 <+perlDreamer> He needs something better than "Duh, it's open source and free"
00:09 < snapcount> have you looked at cmsmatrix?
00:09 <+perlDreamer> yes
00:09 <+perlDreamer> it's not convincing, try the comparison yourself.
00:09 <+perlDreamer> hosters are selling SharePoint accounts for $60/month.
00:10 <+perlDreamer> btw, I think the PlainBlack one is a little out of date.
00:10 <+perlDreamer> We haven't had SMB authentication for a long time.
00:10 < snapcount> tell Vrby... he's the matrix overlord
00:11 <+perlDreamer> does perlbot have a memorize command?
00:11 <+perlDreamer> perlbot: help
00:11 < perlbot> (fact)::tell (who) about (what)::(what) > (who)::learn (what) as (info)::relearn (fact) as (info)::phone (phone number)::shorten (url)::shorten it::search (module)::docs (module)::perldoc -f (function)::jargon (term)::math::fortune::flip::host (type) (record)::rot13::roll (die)::tempconv (temp)::scramble (foo)::8ball::slap::diss::what time is it::top/bottom (number) karma::geoip (ip)
00:12 <+perlDreamer> perlbot: learn (Vrby is the matrix overlord) as (vrby)
00:12 < perlbot> added (Vrby to the database
00:12 <+perlDreamer> perlbot: vrby
00:12 <+perlDreamer> perlbot: docs POE::Component::IRC
00:12 < perlbot> Documentation for 'POE::Component::IRC' can be found here: http://xrl.us/tkbq
00:12 < snapcount> perlbot diss snapcount
00:12 < perlbot> snapcount is my little bitch.
00:12 < snapcount> ouch
00:13 <+perlDreamer> lol
00:13 <+perlDreamer> perlbot:: perldoc -f open
00:14 <+perlDreamer> perlbot: perldoc -f open
00:14 < perlbot> Documentation for '-f open' can be found here: http://tinyurl.com/yxzkan
00:15 <+perlDreamer> perlbot: help learn
00:18 <+perlDreamer> perlbot: define vrby : vrby is the matrix overlord
00:18 < perlbot> added define vrby : vrby to the database
00:18 <+perlDreamer> perlbot: vrby
00:19 <+perlDreamer> perlbot: define vrby
00:19 <+perlDreamer> hmmmmm.....
00:20 <+perlDreamer> perlbot: tell snapcount about vrby
00:20 < perlbot> vrby isn't something I know about, perlDreamer
00:20 <+perlDreamer> perlbot: vrby is the matrix overlord
00:20 < perlbot> added vrby to the database
00:21 <+perlDreamer> perlbot: tell snapcount about vrby
00:21 < snapcount> he priv messaged me
00:21 <+perlDreamer> he needs a good user manual
00:21 <+perlDreamer> perlbot, not vrby
00:21 <+perlDreamer> I understand that Mrs. Vrby is quite good at getting Mr. Vrby to do the things she needs.
00:22 < snapcount> hehe
00:22 < snapcount> something cool is about to happen
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00:22 < snapcount> hi snapbot
00:22 < snapbot> I am a traffic light, and Alan Ginsberg kidnapped my laundry in 1927!
00:23 < snapcount> yo
00:23 < snapcount> snapbot
00:23 < snapbot> Just walk along and try NOT to think about your INTESTINES being almost FORTY YARDS LONG!!
00:23 < snapcount> snapbot roxors
00:23 < snapbot> I have a VISION!  It's a RANCID double-FISHWICH on an ENRICHED BUN!!
00:23 < snapcount> alrighty then
00:23 < snapcount> Net::IRC works
00:24 <+perlDreamer> s n a p b o t
00:24 < snapcount> snapbot
00:24 < snapbot> My pants just went on a wild rampage through a Long Island Bowling Alley!!
00:24 < snapcount> snapbot
00:24 < snapbot> Is it FUN to be a MIDGET?
00:24 <+perlDreamer> now that's funny
00:24 <+perlDreamer> the pants thing
00:24 < snapcount> snapbot
00:24 < snapbot> Just walk along and try NOT to think about your INTESTINES being almost FORTY YARDS LONG!!
00:24 <+perlDreamer> his random quote generator needs a little work, though
00:24 < snapcount> the Net::IRC module comes with a test script
00:25 < snapcount> I modified it to connect to freenode
00:25 <+perlDreamer> cool!
00:25 <+perlDreamer> so it forks a daemon and then hangs up?
00:25 < snapcount> uhh.. it's running in an infinite loop
00:25 < snapcount> you can bg it though
00:26 < snapcount> not sure how we'd implement this in webgui
00:26 <+perlDreamer> I'd plug it into spectre
00:26 < snapcount> it would have to be POEified
00:26 <+perlDreamer> we'd just use the POE one.
00:26 < snapcount> yeah
00:27 < snapcount> but, I don't think WebGUI knows how to communicate with other POE creatures
00:27 <+perlDreamer> It wouldn't have to.
00:27 < snapcount> I think the interface is very specific to WebGUI <=> Spectre
00:27 <+perlDreamer> all it would do is log things into a db
00:27 <+perlDreamer> then an Asset would just display lines of text from the db.
00:27 <+perlDreamer> should probably limit the db cache
00:28 < snapcount> I'm thinking chat wobject though
00:29 <+perlDreamer> okay
00:29 < snapcount> this thing would have to handle multiple connections
00:30 < snapcount> the idea is you configure the wobject to connect to a irc network/channel
00:30 < snapcount> the user says what nick to use and password (optional)
00:30 < snapcount> then they get a chat window
00:30 < snapcount> that would rule
00:30 < snapcount> but it would probably be easier to do a bot first
00:31 < snapcount> that you configured through webgui
00:31 < snapcount> so there would have to be communication between webgui and irc poe
00:31 < snapcount> should only take you a day
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00:40 <+perlDreamer> yo! crythias
01:01 < Radix__> Morning guys
01:01 <+perlDreamer> howdy
01:03 < Radix__> Anyone know if/when the pdf's from the WUC 06 talks are going to put on the webguidev.com site?
01:03 < Radix__> I've had questions from several people now about creating objects or workflows and stuff - and they'd help so much
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01:26 <+crythias> darn
01:27 <+crythias> hope I catch him later
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02:41 <@preaction-m> Radix__: i've been told that they'd appear after a while, I believe once we get the new support wiki created
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03:59 <+crythia1> where can I find a coder like that.
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04:47 <@preaction-m> like whom?
05:04 <+crythia1> I wish I had Jesse's code.
05:35 < Radix-wrk> my code?
05:39  * Radix-wrk hides his code from everyone.
05:39  * Radix-wrk strokes his code and moans "My Preciousssss...."
06:53 <+crythia1> hee
06:55 <+crythia1> Jesse is a friend. yeah I know he's been a good friend of mine. But lately something's change that ain't hard to define Jessie's got himself some code and I want to make it mine... And it's compiling all those lines... And it's got a hot runtime I just know it. Yeah 'n' he's adding more lines late, late at night...
06:57 <+crythia1> You know, I wish that I had Jessie's code, I wish that I had Jessie's code. Where can I find a code like that? 
06:57  * crythia1 has lost it. It's ok. you can agree.
06:57 <+crythia1> bump Radix-wrk
06:58 <@preaction-m> dude, where did you go?
06:59  * preaction-m wants whatever crythia1 is smoking
06:59 <+crythia1> heh
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07:28 < Radix-wrk> lol
07:29 < Radix-wrk> You know.. I actually started thinking it was something to do with the song "Jesse's Girl" - but then I thought.. no.. he can't be doing something that geeky.
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18:09 <+crythias> hee
18:10 < Radix__> drugs worn off now crythias?
18:10 <+crythias> I thought so. apologies.
18:11 < Radix__> hehe.. no need.. I had a chuckle :)
18:11 < Radix__> at your expense mind you.. but hey.. you did ask for it ;)
18:11 <+crythias> of course. not like you've not been bombarded with this all your life
18:12 < Radix__> It's a song that's been around for quite some time yes ;)
18:12 < Radix__> recently revitalised with the current 70's music revival
18:13 < Radix__> but she's mine.. she's all mine - noone can have my girl ;)
18:15 <+crythias> well I had fun with lyrics
18:15 < Radix__> you did well ;)
18:16 <+crythias> and it's got a hot runtime I just know it.
18:19 < Radix__> well it's past my bedtime.. nite :)
22:38 < ckotil> i think i found a bug in the versioning system
22:38 < ckotil> which prevented me from calling an asset a certain url, and i KNOW for certain there are no other assets with that url.
22:39 < ckotil> i think an open version tag is causing it.
22:39 < ckotil> im not working under the tag. its just sitting there idle. 
22:39 < ckotil> the work thats been done under that tag is entirely unrelated to the work i just tried to do.
22:41 < ckotil> ill file a bug report if/when i commit that open version tag and it sitll doesnt allow me to name the url what i want.
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--- Day changed Sat Dec 02 2006
01:01 < Jiggie> yoo
01:07 <@preaction> yooself?
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01:46 -!- preaction-m changed the topic of #webgui to: WebGUI (stable 7.2.3) | WRE (0.7.2) | Questions? Ask and wait patiently | Watch for migrant dork herds
01:55 <@preaction-m> so the new Calendar and the old EventsCalendar aren't really that different...
01:56 <@preaction-m> except the Calendar works ;)
01:56  * preaction-m finishes the upgrade script so that he can check in
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02:07 <@preaction-m> royjohnson: if i'm migrating every EventsCalendar wobject into a Calendar wobject, do I need to migrate all the old revisions or just the current revision?
02:08 < royjohnson> what non-sense art thou speaking
02:08 <@preaction-m> royjohnson: it'll also be nice when we get that IRC wobject created, people can join this channel from plainblack.com
02:08 < royjohnson> si 
02:08 <@preaction-m> i'm about to check in the new Calendar
02:08 < royjohnson> oh oh 
02:08 <@preaction-m> so i need to make the upgrade script
02:08 <@preaction-m> so do I migrate all the old revisions, or do I say "fuck em"
02:08 <@preaction-m> since they really have little purpose now
02:09 <@preaction-m> i mean, on the EC, only two columns are getting migrated, and on the Events there is currently no versioning
02:10 < royjohnson> well, you need to do something with them other than deleting them
02:10 <@preaction-m> damnit... i should just do it anyway, somebody's going to complain somehow that they can't revert to an old calendar from three years ago or something...
02:10 < royjohnson> yeah... data loss == bad
02:11 <@preaction-m> i mean i'll migrate the current revision of their EC assets, but the OLD ones
02:11 < royjohnson> is it any harder?
02:11 <@preaction-m> probably easier anyway, just copy one table to another
02:11 <@preaction-m> the asset and assetData tables won't change, except to update to the new className
02:12 <@preaction-m> then set some sane defaults, and get the templates all hunkydory
02:12 <@preaction-m> oh, calculate the recurrence pattern, i hope that works...
02:12 <@preaction-m> what if they deleted one recurrence?
02:13 <@preaction-m> the pattern isn't stored, but it looks like a relationship is...
02:15 <@preaction-m> BETTER IDEA: Don't calculate recurrence pattern at all! since all the events are created already (afaik)
02:15  * preaction-m is now thinking out loud. shutting up
02:15 <@preaction-m> perlbot hello
02:15 < perlbot> hello preaction-m
02:15 <@preaction-m> perlbot botspeak
02:17 <@preaction-m> perlbot 419
02:17 < perlbot> ESTEEMED SIR OR MADAM/DO NOT BE SURPRISED AS I HAVE YOUR NAME BY A NETWORK OF IRC (INTERNET)/I AM ABDUL MARJEEN BUDAHMI SUPERVISING MGR OF BAGDAD IRAQ BUS STATION/RECENT ROUTINE INSPECTION OF LOCKERS REVEALED A PARCEL, WHICH, WHEN OPENED PROVED TO CONTAIN (20 000 US) ANSWERS TO PERL COMPUTER LANGAUGE QUESTIONS.  I SEEK YOUR ASSISTANCE IN MOVING THESE OUT OF THE COUNTRY...
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07:41 < royjohnson> perlbot diss preaction
07:41 < perlbot> OMG preaction sucks.
07:41 <@preaction-m> wtf
07:41 <@preaction-m> i can't figure this out, once I use wG::Asset->new() how do I save the asset to the database?
07:41 <@preaction-m> update()?
07:41 < royjohnson> what?
07:42 < royjohnson> you want to change it's properties?
07:42 < royjohnson> or create a new instance
07:42 <@preaction-m> new instance
07:42 < royjohnson> only way to do that is addChild
07:42 <@preaction-m> i'm too strung out i can't figure a damn thing out
07:42 <@preaction-m> see, if i do it the way i'm doing it, it's impossible to rollback this upgrade if it fails, you'll have to reload the db backup
07:43 <@preaction-m> would that even be prudent? or will I get yelled at for that?
07:44 < royjohnson> why?  Just create a version tag in your code... add all your crap, change all your crap, commit the tag
07:44 <@preaction-m> what i'm doing it changing the database directly
07:44 < royjohnson> bad Doug!
07:44 < royjohnson> no no no
07:44 < royjohnson> =)
07:44 <@preaction-m> it's the best way, otherwise i only get the one version of the asset
07:44 <@preaction-m> this way i get all the previous  versions too
07:45 < royjohnson> why?
07:45 < royjohnson> you can specify revision date to the constructor
07:45 <@preaction-m> so i can get all the revisions and do it that way?
07:45 <@preaction-m> good god...
07:46 < royjohnson> yeah... query all by assetId
07:46 < royjohnson> that will give you every version
07:46 < royjohnson> then pass revisionDate to the constructor
07:47 <@preaction-m> and then get the properties, modify the properties, get the parent, add a child to the parent with the new properties, then trash the old asset
07:47 <@preaction-m> good lord in heaven
07:47 < royjohnson> no
07:47 < royjohnson> use update, it versions the asset
07:47 <@preaction-m> with a new className?
07:47 < royjohnson> if you're changing properties
07:47 < royjohnson> oh no
07:47 < royjohnson> it won't do that =)
07:48 < royjohnson> if you're creating a new asset using the old assets data
07:48 <@preaction-m> i'm changing EventsCalendars into Calendars
07:48 < royjohnson> you have to create one 
07:48 <@preaction-m> yeah
07:48 < royjohnson> using earliest rev date
07:48 < royjohnson> then update it once for each date
07:48 <@preaction-m> ... christ...
07:49 < royjohnson> am I making sense?
07:49 <@preaction-m> with the Events I won't need to go through all that BS, there's actually no way for me to do it that way
07:49 <@preaction-m> yes
07:49 <@preaction-m> it's just crap
07:49 < royjohnson> ok... you just want one asset not one asset for each revision
07:50 < royjohnson> the important thing is to make it work
07:50 < royjohnson> we can make it better later
07:50 <@preaction-m> so I grab the earliest revision, make the asset, and then add revisions
07:50 < royjohnson> just do the best you can and meet the spec
07:50 <@preaction-m> see, I won't be able to do that with the Events
07:50 < royjohnson> can you explain why?  without writing a novel =)
07:50 < royjohnson> or is it overly complex
07:51 <@preaction-m> because the module gets overwritten
07:51 <@preaction-m> i can't create the old asset, because the module is new
07:52 < royjohnson> I see
07:52 < royjohnson> that's kinda fucked
07:52 <@preaction-m> and since there's no way to rollback the Events without a db backup, i may as well not worry about the EC either
07:52 <@preaction-m> just going to have to put in the gotchas: "Do NOT perform this upgrade without a backup."
07:53 < royjohnson> well the upgrade does a backup unless you tell it not too
07:53 < royjohnson> s/too/to
07:53 <@preaction-m> right, but you can tell it not to
07:53 <@preaction-m> and if someone does, and it goes screwy, they're fucked
07:54 <@preaction-m> murphy's law...
07:54 < royjohnson> yeah
07:54 <@preaction-m> and he was an optimist
07:54 < royjohnson> the only way to get around this is to name Event something else, like CalEvent
07:54 < royjohnson> but even then, the upgrade would have to delete the old event module... scary
07:55 <@preaction-m> well, delete after it's succeeded, surely
07:56 <@preaction-m> or even delete it with the 7.4.0 release
07:56 < royjohnson> I think that's bad
07:56 < royjohnson> Have you asked JT his opinion?
07:56 < royjohnson> his the king of doing crazy stuff in an upgrade
07:56 < royjohnson> s/his/he's/
07:57 < royjohnson> sheesh, can't type
07:57 <@preaction-m> looks like he's N/A
07:57 < royjohnson> well, do your best... the release isn't till Wed so if he doesn't like it we can fix it
07:58 < royjohnson> don't get hung up on this, just get the thing working
07:58 <@preaction-m> yeah, i'm just going to do it
07:58 <@preaction-m> i'm going to collapse if i dont... :p
07:58 < royjohnson> and relax... it's just code, you got this =)
07:59 <@preaction-m> yeah, it's cake If i can figure out these error messages
07:59 < royjohnson> what are they?
07:59 <@preaction-m> i've been keeping track of all the ones that I get that aren't straightforward and I hope to go back and fix that situation
07:59 <@preaction-m> this one is "DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Operand should contain 1 column(s) at ../../lib/WebGUI/SQL/ResultSet.pm line 135"
08:00 <@preaction-m> also, I think that the errorHandler needs to be updated, and have some sort of class method to access it (so you don't need a session object to have error handling)
08:01 < royjohnson> That sql looks like a query with no column
08:01 <@preaction-m> select (assetId,revisionDate,defaultMonth) from EventsCalendar
08:02 <@preaction-m> there aren't supposed to be () are there?
08:02 < royjohnson> nope
08:02 <@preaction-m> i hate the little shit...
08:03 < royjohnson> I never noticed that before
08:03 < royjohnson> insert into blah (1,2,3) values (...); but select 1,2,3 from foo
08:03 < royjohnson> weird
08:04 <@preaction-m> hooray for inconsistent language specs :p
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15:06 <+crythias> hey
15:06 <+crythias> preaction
15:08 <+crythias> preaction-m, bump
15:09 <+crythias> Just reading the Calendar/Events Calendar thing
15:09 <+crythias> I don't understand why you have to overwrite EventsCalendar...
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00:41 <@preaction-m> crythias: the old EC will no longer work mainly because of the new Event Asset. It would, of course, be possible to finagle it so that they could co-exist, but I feel this way is better
00:41 <@preaction-m> that, and i was told to do it this way
00:42 <+crythias> k
01:24 <@preaction-m> would anybody here be able to recommend a wireless phone/data carrier? i'm currently looking at cingular with the 8125 smartphone
01:24 <@preaction-m> i wonder if skype would work with it
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13:20 < vidar_> hi
13:20 < Radix__> yo
13:21 < vidar_> have you ever had problems with the Head Block content i a template being displayed inside <body> ?
13:24 < Radix__> What kind of problems?
13:25 < vidar_> the <head> tags to a specific layout template appears not inside <head> of the document but rather inside the <body>
13:26 < Radix__> Hmm.. odd
13:26 < Radix__> by head tags you mean the ones you're adding in the metadata page for the template?
13:26 < vidar_> yes
13:27 < vidar_> special CSS
13:27 < Radix__> Hmm.. not ever had that problem myself
13:27 < Radix__> but to be honest, I've only used the metadata head section once or twice
13:27 < Radix__> I have a global css file I've embedded for the site
14:25 < vidar_> I am trying to use different css for the printable version
14:26 < vidar_> but it always embedds the 3 column layout wiht all the sidabar stuff that is not needed in the print version
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16:42 < Jiggie> sup peoples
16:43 < Jiggie> preaction xdanger how ya been
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16:49 < Jiggie> sup peoples again....
16:55 < Jiggie> what permissions should my mysql apache public folders have and who should own them in webgui
16:55 < Jiggie> my site after a few permission changes does not come up
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17:18 <@preaction-m> Jiggie: check /data/wre/prereqs/mysql/var/`uname -n`.err if your error logs say "cannot connect to database"
17:28 < Jiggie> its connecting now
17:30 < Jiggie> i think i have to run a fix for mysql tables "myisamchk -Br *.MYI"
17:30 < Jiggie> cant seem to remember how to do it. as i'm getting this error now 061204 10:33:30 [ERROR] /data/wre/prereqs/mysql/libexec/mysqld: Can't open file: 'userSessionScratch.MYI
17:30 < Jiggie> ' (errno: 14
17:31 <@preaction-m> what's errno 14? i always have to look them up at mysql.com
17:31 < Jiggie> give me that site u sed to paste code again pls
17:33 <@preaction-m> perlbot pastebin
17:33 < perlbot> (see paste)
17:33 <@preaction-m> perlbot paste
17:33 < perlbot> Paste your code to http://sial.org/pbot/perl or http://erxz.com/pb and #perl will be able to view it.
17:43 < Jiggie> ermo..no idea and i remember not to check the channels...
17:47 < Jiggie> it says is a bad table and i need to repair it. so i should do REPAIR TABLE userSessionScratch; does that make sense
17:47 <@preaction-m> i don't know. that much is beyond me. i believe that myisamchk or one of the other command-line tools can repair the tables
17:50 < Jiggie> i'll try it, it seems to go with what happened to us. the database got corrupted when the space filled up read here
17:50 < Jiggie> http://www.redrook.com/faqs/mysql-error-cant-open-file-something.myd-errno-145.php
17:52 < Jiggie> that seemd to work
17:52 < Jiggie> wohooo
18:20 < Jiggie> yeah baby this is working
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06:12 <@preaction-m> show us your +o face, roy!
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23:11 < Jiggie> quiet here
23:11 <@preaction-m> too quiet...
23:31 < Jiggie> yeah
23:32 < Jiggie> do i need to come and make some noise
23:55 < Radix__> get jiggie with it
23:55  * Radix__ breaks down and does a boogie.
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00:11 < snapcount> I just brought WebGUI to a new low
00:11 < snapcount> yes!
00:11 < snapcount> preaction... you're disturbing my slumber
00:22 <@preaction-m> snapcount you're totally blowing my vibe
00:27 < snapcount> I wrote a bash macro for WebGUI at 3am this morning
00:41 < snapcount> Now people can have random nuggets of vulgar and twisted humor in their wG site!
00:41 < snapcount> yay!
00:41  * snapcount is a tad loopy
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03:06 < Radix-wrk> ooh.. fun stuff
03:06 < Radix-wrk> added a user profile field with type Yes No and now whenever a user goes to edit their profile it comes up with:
03:06 < Radix-wrk> 2006/12/06 09:04:35 - ERROR - webgui.formsys.com.conf - main::[[undef]] - Couldn't execute operation : WebGUI::Operation::Profile::www_editProfile. Root cause: Can't use string ("Yes
03:06 < Radix-wrk> No") as a HASH ref while "strict refs" in use at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ProfileField.pm line 159.
03:14 <@preaction-m> ooh a bug
03:14 <@preaction-m> put it in the bugtracker and we'll fix it tomorrow
03:15 <@preaction-m> what's the best way to make a workflow run immediately?
03:15 < Radix-wrk> go to current workflows and hit run?
03:15 <@preaction-m> there's no "run"
03:15 <@preaction-m> just "enabled"
03:16 <@preaction-m> in the "Show Running Workflows" there's a "run" link, but the workflow hasn't started yet
03:17 < Radix-wrk> Hmm.. can you fake the url that webgui uses to get it to run that way?
03:17 <@preaction-m> not until an instance of the workflow is created
03:18 <@preaction-m> how do workflows get tested?
03:18 < Radix-wrk> good question
03:18 <@preaction-m> i imagine i can write a utility to do it for me
03:21 < Radix-wrk> yeah, you need a workflow instance id first before you can do anything in webgui with it
03:22 <@preaction-m> it's also annoying that I can't just do something to run my hourly tasks right now instead of later, sometimes I want to
03:23 <@preaction-m> i'll make the utility now, and make an RFE to add it to the admin console
03:23 < Radix-wrk> Yeah, a 'run now' next to each scheduled workflow task would be nice
03:42 < Radix-wrk> http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/three-profile-field-bugs#WUbOA_Ks3B-PlLvk93pQVg
03:43 < Radix-wrk> Found three bugs in all with user profiles then.  What fun
03:45 <@preaction-m> fun indeed
03:45 <@preaction-m> gives us something to do for bugfix day tomorrow
04:05 < Radix-wrk> You good at sql queries by any chance?
04:05 <@preaction-m> sometimes
04:05 < Radix-wrk> SELECT 
04:05 < Radix-wrk>   a.fieldData AS "Email Address"
04:05 < Radix-wrk>   c.fieldData AS "Opt-Out"
04:05 < Radix-wrk>   users.status AS "User Status"
04:05 < Radix-wrk> FROM 
04:05 < Radix-wrk>   users
04:05 < Radix-wrk>   left join userProfileData as a on users.userId=a.userId and a.fieldName = 'email'
04:05 <@preaction-m> perlbot paste
04:05 < Radix-wrk>   left join groupings as b on users.userId=b.userId
04:05 < perlbot> Paste your code to http://sial.org/pbot/perl or http://erxz.com/pb and #perl will be able to view it.
04:05 < Radix-wrk>   left join userProfileData as c on users.userId=c.userId and c.fieldName = 'emailoptout'
04:05 < Radix-wrk> WHERE
04:05 < Radix-wrk>   b.groupId = 'IpZgQn75FPEsLgDpxSzL1w'
04:05 < Radix-wrk> ORDER BY 
04:05 < Radix-wrk>   users.dateCreated DESC
04:06 <@preaction-m> or http://pastebin.com or something
04:14 < Radix-wrk> pastebin doesn't seem to respond (submit it and it sits there loading for ages) - the other two seem to be for automating spamming on #perl channel
04:15 <@preaction-m> you can select "none" as a channel
04:15 <@preaction-m> http://sial.org/pbot/none
04:16 < Radix-wrk> http://sial.org/pbot/21635
04:17 < Radix-wrk> I think it's a left-join I'm doing wrong or something.. but not sure how to do it right
04:18 <@preaction-m> are you sure you can use quoted strings for AS?
04:18 < Radix-wrk> I've done it before in a previous sql query (which does work)
04:20 < Radix-wrk> http://sial.org/pbot/21636 is the one I based it on
04:20 <@preaction-m> hang on, i know frank wrote one just like this on another site
04:20 < Radix-wrk> which I wrote a year or so ago
04:21 <@preaction-m> what's the error message?
04:21 < Radix-wrk> it's the double left-join to the same table that I'm not sure about - but don't know how else to do it
04:21 <@preaction-m> the join is fine, frank did it for a client and it seems to work
04:21 < Radix-wrk> 2006/12/06 10:07:49 - WARN - webgui.formsys.com.conf - main::[[undef]] - There was a problem with the query: You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'c.fieldData AS "Opt-Out"
04:21 < Radix-wrk>   users.status AS "User Status"
04:21 < Radix-wrk> FROM
04:21 < Radix-wrk>   users
04:21 < Radix-wrk>   lef' at line 3
04:22 <@preaction-m> you forgot commas between the field names
04:22 <@preaction-m> SELECT field, field, field
04:22 < Radix-wrk> Oh god I did too..
04:22 <@preaction-m> i didn't notice until i looked at the working one ;)
04:23 <@preaction-m> they should change "near" to "before", it'd make more sense in those messages
04:23 < Radix-wrk> ooh.. now I'm getting a new one
04:23 < Radix-wrk> 2006/12/06 10:22:47 - WARN - webgui.formsys.com.conf - main::[[undef]] - Unconditional read failed: <rest of the sql follows>
04:24 < Radix-wrk> Ahh.. found it
04:24 <@preaction-m> snapcount: aren't you supposed to be asleep instead of replying to the support boards?
04:25 < Radix-wrk> thanks preaction-m - just needed a different set of eyes :)
04:25 <@preaction-m> i know how that is
04:28 < snapcount> yeah
04:28 < snapcount> I'm over-achieving today
04:28 <@preaction-m> amen to that
04:28 < snapcount> I think sleep depravation is making me crazy
04:29 <@preaction-m> lol you and me both
04:29 < Radix-wrk> heh
04:29 <@preaction-m> is there any special way to test Workflows? 
04:29 <@preaction-m> i mean, i already wrote a utility to do it, but now that i've wasted an hour, tell me it was completely in vain
04:29 < Radix-wrk> sleep deprivation ain't bad for your health - as long as she's cute
04:30 <@preaction-m> she is a rough trick named Frank who looks like an Elvis Impersonator
04:30 < Radix-wrk> heh.. I think I might have seen her in las vegas when I was there then :)
04:30 <@preaction-m> i've been told she frequents the scene down there
04:32 < snapcount> what do you mean by test the workflow?
04:33 < snapcount> like, force it to run?
04:33 <@preaction-m> like test it, develop it, make sure it works
04:33 <@preaction-m> basically
04:33 <@preaction-m> create a new instance and force it to run
04:33 < snapcount> yeah... create a schedule entry for it
04:34 < snapcount> then you click "run" to run it whenever you want
04:34 <@preaction-m> "run" where?
04:34 < snapcount> goto manage cron in the ac
04:34 < snapcount> each schedule is listed, run button to the right
04:34 <@preaction-m> the Scheduler, okay
04:35 <@preaction-m> i could've added a new task here... damnit...
04:35 < snapcount> isn't it fun learning the UI side of wG?
04:35 < snapcount> it's almost like learning something entirely different
04:35 <@preaction-m> sometimes...
04:36 <@preaction-m> sometimes i'm amazed at what I can do with it, other times i'm frustrated by what I can't
04:36 <@preaction-m> either way, it's an hour wasted
04:36 <@preaction-m> in any case, sbin/runWorkflow.pl will be added once I've documented it properly
04:37 < snapcount> I feel like I could use the API to do just about anything... however, I am still so far behind in what WebGUI can already do out of the box
04:37 < snapcount> make sure you clear that with JT on the dev list
04:37 < Radix-wrk> can you use != in sql queries?
04:37 <@preaction-m> Radix-wrk: <> i think
04:37 < snapcount> he'll freak if you check something in that's not approved as a new feature
04:37 < snapcount> <>
04:37 <@preaction-m> snapcount: ahh, i'll clear it tomorrow
04:38 <@preaction-m> it's useful in any case
04:38 < snapcount> I'm sure it will be fine
04:38 < snapcount> sounds useful to me
04:38 <@preaction-m> then an RFE to make "Run" links for Workflows (not just scheduler)
04:39 < snapcount> you mean for activities?
04:39 < snapcount> or on the workflow screen
04:39 <@preaction-m> for entire workflows
04:39 <@preaction-m> or individual activities, whatever
04:39 < snapcount> oh ok, so you can do it from the manage workflows screen
04:40 < snapcount> that would be cool... one less step
04:40 <@preaction-m> some of them shouldn't be forced to run though, like the VersionTag ones
04:40 <@preaction-m> so there'd probably have to be a property to designate which are able to be forced
04:40 < snapcount> isBitch?
04:40 < snapcount> lol
04:40 <@preaction-m> canSmack?
04:41 <@preaction-m> you're evil
04:41 < snapcount> p0wn3d?
04:44 < Radix-wrk> wierd.  <> doesn't work if the value is undefined - and since it's a new profile field, no current user has it defined (except the test user I just set)
04:45 <@preaction-m> IS NOT NULL
04:45 < Radix-wrk> so c.fieldData IS NOT NULL and c.fieldData <> 1
04:49 < Radix-wrk> cool.. didn't know about IS NULL/IS NOT NULL
04:49 <@preaction-m> a shortcoming of the SQL language
04:49 < Radix-wrk> worked out to be (c.fieldData IS NULL OR c.fieldData <> 1) in the end was what I needed
04:50 < Radix-wrk> thanks :)
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17:23 < Jiggie> dd
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20:04 < bipolar> I'm trying to upgrade a webgui instance. It's currently upgraded to 6.8.10, but when I try to upgrade to 7.1.2 it says it needs no upgrades. ./upgrade.pl --doit --history shows that it is at version 6.8.10, and it finds the upgrade executable from 6.8.10 to 6.99.0.
20:24 < bipolar> looks like a bug in the upgrade script. removeing all the upgrade history except for the latest version seems to triger the upgrade.
20:24 < bipolar> I think it's just looking for the last in the list and the sorting confuses it.
21:09 < Jiggie> bipolar
21:09 < Jiggie> u ar ein luck
21:10 < bipolar> hmm?
21:10 < Jiggie> u must drop the database
21:10 < Jiggie> then import it again and try the upgrade script
21:10 < Jiggie> i just went tru that
21:10 < Jiggie> at the same spot
21:12 < bipolar> I did that, and it still stuck. The upgrade script only saw the last version in 'perl ./upgrade.pl --doit --history', and since the sorting made that 6.8.9 and not 6.8.10 it did not know it had an upgrade script available for it.
21:12 < bipolar> so I edited the version table so that .10 was the only one there, and it upgraded it.
21:12 < bipolar> it's working now.
21:13 < bipolar> accept for images only being vewable by people logged in even though they are set to 'everyone'
21:17 < Jiggie> i c
21:17 < Jiggie> it must be permision issues
21:17 < Jiggie> mine crapped out but its now working after a few bumps
21:18 < Jiggie> crap gui is not bad when its running, not so easy to fix when its not
22:09 < bipolar> whenever I change something, then commit the changes, that item is 'locked'. how does an item get unlocked?
22:10 < bipolar> I see this image I changes the metadata on in 'versions' as a pending version, but I see no way to get it out of pending so I can change it again.
22:15 < bipolar> wtf.... In the webgui log, it seems that requests are being sent to spectre from the machines public ip address, not 127.0.0.1.
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02:11 <+crythias> herd, even
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02:53 < snapcount> you have to watch for those dork herds
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02:53 < Radix-wrk> Wabbit Season!
03:01 <+crythias> duck season
03:14 < Radix-wrk> Wabbit Season!
03:14 < Radix-wrk> WebGUI Season! Fire!
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05:03 < Radix-wrk> Site down for maintenance huh
05:07 < snapcount> 7.3.0 is in the house
05:07 < snapcount> the wiki is here!!!
05:07 < snapcount> well, it's almost here
05:08 < Radix-wrk> heh
05:08 < Radix-wrk> hasn't finished upgrading yet :)
05:08 < snapcount> assuming the pb.com upgrade doesn't cause fire and brimstone
05:08 < snapcount> nope... event calendar is being replaced with the new calendar
05:08 < snapcount> so it's taking a while to migrate
05:09 < Radix-wrk> ooh.. preaction's new stuff :)
05:09 < snapcount> yeah
05:17 < Radix-wrk> it's dead.. it's dead! :)
05:21 < Radix-wrk> ooh.. proxy error now
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05:29 < Radix-wrk> hehe.. site dead now.. methinks I'll be waiting for 7.3.1 or 7.3.2 ;)
05:38 < snapcount> yeah... some goof didn't check that an object was created before calling a method on it
05:38 < snapcount> this is why we upgrade pb.com before pushing a release
05:39 < snapcount> the upgrade is running again but I left apache offline to make it go faster
05:42 < Radix-wrk> :)
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07:09 < Radix-wrk> cool!.. like the new features in 7.3.0 - sounds good :)
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19:41 < xdanger> Is there a reason for the wiki wobject not to be enabled in the demo.plainblack.com?
19:42 < xdanger> would like to try it out =)
19:46 < snapcount> I added one to demo earlier
19:46 < snapcount> why do you say it's not enabled?
19:49 < xdanger> tried it last night and it wasn't on the asset list
19:50 < snapcount> oh
19:50 < snapcount> last night demo wasn't upgraded
19:50 < snapcount> I upgraded it this morning
19:51 < xdanger> O yes now it is =)
19:51 < xdanger> I didn't really look that hard... just a quick test...
19:51 < xdanger> hmm.. I'll go play ;)
19:51 < snapcount> usually I upgrade right after the release but last night I was tired so I slacked off
19:52 < snapcount> have fun
19:57 < xdanger> There's no "automatic linking" sort of stuff? just normal "link to a page in webgui asset tree"?
19:57 < xdanger> Oh, no there is... I just had a typo =)
19:59 < xdanger> only that it links to /home... not to /whateveryourdemorootis/home/...
20:06 < xdanger> O and it doesn't work with non-ascii characters... like дце
20:11 < snapcount> neither does my irc apparently
20:11 < snapcount> I saw [incompatible encoding] at the end of your message
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21:58 < xdanger> snapcount: when is wre 0.8 coming out? any eta?
21:59 < snapcount> not sure... I have my patches ready for JT for all of the setup improvements, but he's working on some new stuff too so I'm not sure
22:00 < xdanger> ok, I'm just upgrading my webgui fron 6.8 to 7.2 and upgrading the wre in the process...
22:00 < xdanger> I'm just getting ready for testing my own code upgrades...
22:00 < xdanger> (custom assets and macros)
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23:16 < Jiggie> just set up the latyest beta on fedora 6 in less than 15 minutes
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23:27 < william_> anybody here familiar with the SQLForm wobject? I've got a coding question regarding how tables are imported.
23:29 < william_> ok, i'll try the lists
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18:58 < ckotil> Where is this new wiki? is it part of the collaboration system?
18:59 < ckotil> i read wiki object. but i dont see it
18:59 < ckotil> i see the logo's ;)
19:09 < ckotil> nvm.
19:09 < ckotil> i grabbed 7.0.3 lol
19:14 < ckotil> its.... rough
19:21 < ckotil> man. my lead engineer rips on webgui. aknowledging that its a powerful system. but insists the learning curve is steep
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22:42 <@preaction-m> rotatelogs keeps destroying my computer... i think it has problems working with very large log files
22:45 <@snapcount> prolly
22:47 <@preaction-m> so wyoh is down until sunday night when i get home...
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20:42 <@snapcount> anyone around?
22:02 <+crythias> guess so
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19:04 < bipolar> Is there a way to have WebGUI's forms send emails via authenticated smtp? Our server does not have the option of anonymous smtp from localhost when sending from an email address from a domain it controls.
19:05 < preaction-m> "does not" or "is not configured to"?
19:05 < preaction-m> to be honest, i don't even know where the configuration settings for the mail server that WebGUI uses
19:07 < bipolar> does not
19:08 < bipolar> there is no option to do that. it's either allow all senders to spoof your domain or none.
19:08 < bipolar> preaction-m: the only thing I see is a field for the mail server's host name.
19:08 < preaction-m> what mail server are you running?
19:08 < bipolar> Citadel
19:09 < bipolar> The only thing I can think of is to setup a postfix frontend for it.
19:09 < preaction-m> must say I've never heard of that one. no chance of running something decent like postfix or sendmail?
19:09 < bipolar> Yeah, I can setup a frontend w/ postfix.
19:10 < bipolar> it's designed to allow that, but it's just another thing to set up and maintain.
19:10 < preaction-m> why not replace citadel w/ postfix?
19:10 < bipolar> although it does allow more control
19:10 < bipolar> citadel is more then smtp
19:10 < preaction-m> also, add an RFE for authenticated smtp
19:10 < bipolar> citadel is a full groupware server.
19:10 < preaction-m> if there isn't one already
19:11 < preaction-m> so smtp+imap?
19:11 < bipolar> well, it has Auth SMTP, thats the problem. I can turn it off so anyone can send mail, or leave it on
19:11 < bipolar> smtp+imap/s+pop3/s+ical+groupdav+kolab... etc... etc.
19:11 < preaction-m> i meant, add an RFE for WebGUI to handle authenticated SMTP
19:11 < bipolar> preaction-m: hehe.. yeah. doh...
19:19 < bipolar> Looks like, at least for the time being, I'm going to have to setup postfix on this box. good thing Citadel has an LMTP socket to make it easier.
19:19 < preaction-m> maybe just setup sendmail and disallow anyone to connect to port 22 on that box
19:19 < preaction-m> (except from localhost of course)
19:22 < bipolar> preaction-m: you mean port 25? thats used by citadel right now, so whatever I setup on that port must replace it's functionality.
19:22 < bipolar> unless webgui can be setup to send mail via a diffrent port... hmmm...
19:24 < bipolar> preaction-m: I don't see an option for a port number in webgui either :\
19:24 < bipolar> it's ok. I've worked with postfix before, I can handle it :)
19:24 < preaction-m> but seriously, RFE for better mail server controls. I
19:24 < preaction-m> m surprised wG doesn't have them already
19:25 < bipolar> yeah... me too.
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05:53 <@snapcount> the community wiki will soon be a reality!
05:54 <@snapcount> Just waiting for someone to sign off on the "we're not responsible for errors or ommissions" statement
05:54 <@snapcount> but I've already started putting stuff in it
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06:03 <@preaction-m> can I only add nodes from the asset manager?
06:03 <@preaction-m> hey... get back here damnit
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12:19 < vidar_> heya
12:20 < vidar_> who was it that did the new calendar again/
12:35 < Radix__> preaction
12:38 < Radix__> Hmm.. just thought I'd check out the demo of it on demo.pb and it crashed when i created a calendar object
12:39 < Radix__> http://demo.plainblack.com/demo1165919754_500/home?op=switchOnAdmin
12:39 < Radix__> Problem with request
12:40 < Radix__> yikes.. assets list seems broken too.. and keeps logging me out
12:42 < Radix__> Oh well.. that's why they call it a beta ;)
14:22 < vidar_> hehe
14:23 < vidar_> I have seen worse things marked stable
14:23 < vidar_> like search function not working
14:23 < vidar_> how is that stable?
14:23 < vidar_> :)
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16:08 < Radix__> I agree with you there vidar! :)
16:58 < xdanger> demo.pb isn't runnings stable =)
16:58 < snapcount> it always runs the latest just like pb.com
17:00 < xdanger> snapcount: vidar_ was earlier saying that search function isn't working =), and then commenting that " < vidar_> how is that stable?"
17:00 < snapcount> oh ok
17:00 < snapcount> late to the party =)
17:01 < snapcount> didn't know search wasn't working though
17:01 < snapcount> I don't think that's on the bug list
17:08 < xdanger> also to recap: 12:40 < Radix__> yikes.. assets list seems broken too.. and keeps logging me out
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19:31 < vidar_> snapcount: is didn't work couple of months ago
19:32 < vidar_> when the conference was held
19:33 < snapcount> are you saying it doesn't work now?
19:33 < snapcount> I know it was broke back then
19:36 < vidar_> I was saying it was broken back then and the version was marked stable
19:55 < ckotil> the PHP BB Skin/Template is sweet. Id like to see a media wiki template for the wiki asset
19:59 < vidar_> gallery2 template would be more practical
19:59 < vidar_> the wiki is so new
20:08 <@preaction-m> I still don't know why they didn't implement it as a tree of user-editable Articles
20:09 < vidar_> implement what?
20:09 < vidar_> the wiki?
20:10 <@preaction-m> yes
20:10 < vidar_> how is it implemented?
20:11 <@preaction-m> there's two new assets: WikiMaster and WikiPage
20:11 <@preaction-m> I'm thinking that WikiPage could've been done without, and instead uses an existing asset/wobject like Post or Article
20:11 < vidar_> like calendar and event I suppose
20:12 <@preaction-m> a little different, Event has functionality that Post doesn't have
20:12 <@preaction-m> though, I could've made Event a subclass of Post
20:12 < vidar_> are you happy with your new calendar?
20:12 < vidar_> I have yet to try it
20:12 < vidar_> but have been looking forward to it
20:12 <@preaction-m> I was rushed. There are bugs that nobody knows about and there are kludges that make me ashamed
20:13 < vidar_> ahh
20:13 <@preaction-m> but otherwise, it's a ten thousand percent improvement over the EventsCalendar
20:13 < ckotil> nice
20:13 < ckotil> gallery2 would be sweet. i use that app at home.
20:13 < vidar_> dont need much to improve that
20:13 < vidar_> the EventsCalendar that is
20:14 < vidar_> perhaps I will look at it at demo.pb
20:14 <@preaction-m> the main problem I have right now is that iCalendar implementation is a kludge. I wrote my own parser and my own recursion generator, something I could've delegated to cpan modules.
20:14 <@preaction-m> it works, but it's not clean code
20:14 < vidar_> can you create events in the past?
20:15 < vidar_> that was a bug in the old one
20:15 <@preaction-m> that and iCalendar has a much richer way of describing recursion, and I haven't implemented that in the Calendar
20:15 <@preaction-m> i see no reason why you can't create events in the past
20:15 <@preaction-m> at least, I didn't put in anything that forces you to create events only in the present/future
20:16 < vidar_> it was a bug in the old one, old omnths were empty
20:17 < vidar_> the most annyoing thing is if you clicked on a date in the small month view then it would pull out only one event from the day and show it to you
20:19 <@preaction-m> yeah, those parts are completely redone. i believe I did it the only logical way I could
20:19 < vidar_> sweet
20:19 <@preaction-m> the only thing the old EC and the new Calendar really shared are what type of view to show by default (Day, Week, Month) and where to start by default (first event, last event, current date, which nobody knows that I haven't implemented yet... sshhh...)
20:20 < vidar_> the old EC could not show week
20:20 <@preaction-m> the more important part about the new Calendar is that it be easily subclassed for such things as a request calendar (request a resource for certain time periods, a vacation calendar) or a project calendar (integration into the project manager anyone?)
20:21 < vidar_> I think the most important part about a calendar is that it works :)
20:21 <@preaction-m> i believe my next project is a vacation-type calendar, which i'm trying to imagine as flexibly as possible
20:21 <@preaction-m> pfft, working is just a side-effect of good design and clean code
20:22 < vidar_> if it compiles, it works
20:22 <@preaction-m> :p what about runtime errors? divide by zero?
20:22 < vidar_> right?
20:22 < vidar_> :P
20:22 < vidar_> the real errors are logical errors
20:23 < vidar_> have seen way to many for the past months
20:23 <@preaction-m> yeah... timezones are not fun to work with. nor generating dates from an english phrase like "Every Sunday Monday and Tuesday on the Third week of every 2 months"
20:24 < vidar_> hehe
20:24 < vidar_> calendar is the nightmare of general programming imo
20:25 <@preaction-m> as it is, i thought of about 10 ways to make it better, as long as I have free reign to break the Calendar API (and I put big warnings on the parts of the API that will change)
20:25 <@preaction-m> i didn't have time for nightmares, i wasn't even sleeping :p
20:28 < vidar_> what about the "no api changes to 2030"?
20:28 < vidar_> :)
20:30 <@preaction-m> that's what he said at the WUC?
20:31 <@preaction-m> but I meant specifically the methods I created in the Calendar
20:31 <@preaction-m> like getEventsIn() and get/setRecurrence
20:44 < snapcount> the rules apply to calendar too preaction-m, but not until it's labeled stable
20:44 < snapcount> at that point your apis have to remain backwards compatible
21:23 <@preaction-m> you're not making 7.3.1 stable are you?
21:24 <@preaction-m> rather: do I get to make the decision when the Calendar is stable?
21:26 <@preaction-m> the main thing is the recurrence patterns: I want them to be in the iCalendar format, which means changing the Event asset's getRecurrence, setRecurrence, and getRecurrenceDates methods. Then I would consider the APIs to be stable (at least, it would be possible to maintain backwards-compatibility)
21:31 < snapcount> no no
21:31 < snapcount> have ya *seen* the bug list =)
21:32 < snapcount> the bug list decides when something is stable
21:32 < snapcount> but I guess I decide what the bug list is telling us
21:33 < snapcount> of course if you have a concern, you should voice it... I won't label a release stable if there are major problems and you know the most about the cal
21:33 < snapcount> so it all comes full circle I guess
21:34 < snapcount> well, I would like to see 7.3 be stable by next week... but it might not be until after the break
21:59 < vidar_> Ill wait
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23:58 < zor0> I'm trying to install webgui and the wre is horribly breaking the mysql instalation on my ubuntu system, where should I be looking for help?
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00:33 <@preaction-m> it's difficult to install side-by-side the WRE mysql and another mysql
00:33 <@preaction-m> (because mysql INSISTS on using /etc/my.cnf)
00:34 <@preaction-m> you might be better off removing mysql from the wre and just using your existing version
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00:49 < zor0> ok, I dont have a seperate mysql install. I meant it was breaking its own install
00:51 <@preaction-m> what do you mean by breaking its own install?
00:51 < zor0> right now I've got the wre mysql ans apache servers working but the addsite script fails because /data/WebGUI doesn't exist, causing Hoster::WebGUIConfig to fail
00:51 <@preaction-m> why doesn't data/WebGUI exist?
00:52 < zor0> I mean I am running the setup wre script for ubuntu on my linux box and it kills the mysql server it comes with
00:52 < zor0> it dosen't, never got created by the script, theres just /data/wre where all the stuff is
00:52 <@preaction-m> the script should've asked if you wanted to install WebGUI from a mirror
00:53 < zor0> never did
00:53 <@preaction-m> you're using the contributed wre 0.7.1 for ubuntu?
00:54 < zor0> 0.7.2
00:55 < zor0> ok, when it exits it says that some files didn't match and gives me the diff commands do see what has changed, but then says "Setup Complete", so I take it that the script skipped a step and says its done anyway?
00:55 <@preaction-m> might want to destroy /data/wre and try re-installing
00:56 < zor0> I've only done that about 5 times, it never works right
00:56 <@preaction-m> are you following the steps on /data/wre/docs/install.txt ?
00:57 < zor0> this is really close to working, I just need to make it install that stuff apparently, I think it skipped it because I stoped and restarted the install script while tinkering with mysql
00:57 <@preaction-m> yes, the install script is annoying that way
00:57 < zor0> I was following the install.txt doc, but it offer ZERO help the minute I get an error from setup
00:58 < zor0> so, the setup exits because it thinks two config files have been edited manualy
00:58 < zor0> Some of your configs don't match the defaults. Run these diff commands to find out what's different:
00:58 < zor0>         diff /data/wre/etc/stats.modproxy /data/wre/var/setupfiles/stats.modproxy
00:58 < zor0>         diff /data/wre/etc/backup.conf /data/wre/var/setupfiles/backup.conf
00:58 < zor0> Setup Complete!
00:59 < zor0> so, can I delete  /data/wre/var/setupfiles/backup.conf and it will be recreated with whatever new settings the installer is trying to use and then the installer will continue?
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01:09 <@preaction-m> no, you'd want to delete the ones from /data/wre/etc
01:10 < zor0> ok, I've made the files match, now when I run the setup script, it asks me if I want to run it again, I say yes, it does its thing, says "Setup Complete!" and exits
01:10 < zor0> and apprently skipped actually installing /data/WebGUI
01:18 <@preaction-m> you could just download WebGUI
01:18 < zor0> how can I do that?
01:19 < zor0> wait, that dir is just a copy of the non-wre files?
01:19 < zor0> well, I already scrapped it and I'm going to try and document what I'm doing this time
01:19 <@preaction-m> http://www.plainblack.com/getwebgui
01:19 <@preaction-m> under Download Source
01:20 < zor0> oh, I already wiped everything like you suggested
01:24 < zor0> preaction-m: are you a web-gui developer?
01:31 <@preaction-m> i'm employed by Plainblack, yes
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01:34 < zor0> allright, I've figured it out, basically whatever wrapper you hava around sudo is horrible and unreliable
01:34 < zor0> it asks for my password and the script keeps right on runnind, I can't enter the password
01:35 <@preaction-m> there's a reason the WRE is in the 0.* series
01:35 < zor0> so a bunch of stuff fails, and then the setup script borks itself for lack of error checking
01:35 < zor0> why do you guys recomend it and call it "easy to install" then?
01:37 <@preaction-m> because it's far better than installing all the prereqs on each system manually?
01:37 < Radix-wrk> it's a hell of a lot easier than installing all of the perl modules/apache/mysql/etc manually
01:37 < Radix-wrk> I've had a wre setup installed from scratch in about 20 minutes.. including OS install (which took most of that)
01:37 < Radix-wrk> restoring from backup with the wre is even easier
01:38 < zor0> that could all be done automated using apt on debian distros, yum on rh, etc
01:38 <@preaction-m> i dunno man, Roy and I have been trying to bring one of PBs servers up for the last 4 hours
01:38 < Radix-wrk> not easily no
01:38 < Radix-wrk> I've tried managing the webgui stuff with debian using apt-get and it was a mess
01:38 <@preaction-m> zor0: and what about non-apt and non-rpm based distros? what about windows? what about mac os x?
01:38 < zor0> I like the idea, but please make the setup script verbose enough that when it spits out errors I have some idea what it was trying to do
01:39 < Radix-wrk> Webgui requires a LOT of perl modules - and a lot of the ones it depends on are the latest versions
01:39 < zor0> preaction-m: they can use the annoying setup script
01:39 < Radix-wrk> I had to go to debian testing to get half of them.. the other half weren't in debian at all.. and had to get them from cpan
01:39 < zor0> the setup script is fine, it needs to have more error checking and be more helpful when things go wrong
01:40 < Radix-wrk> Yeah, it does
01:40 <@preaction-m> i'll agree
01:40 <@preaction-m> and if i were allowed to touch the WRE, i'd help
01:40 < zor0> it looks like the sudo thing was just coded badly
01:40 < zor0> heh, you aren't allowed to work on it?
01:40 <@preaction-m> for now, it's just JT
01:41 <@preaction-m> the other three devs have their hands full with WebGUI
01:41 < Radix-wrk> snapcount did a few fixes.. and had a few ideas on how to improve it
01:41 < snapcount> they are going in 0.8
01:41 < snapcount> 1.0 will probably be the web based installer
01:41 <@preaction-m> he's got a wonderful idea for a web-based interface that should rock all high
01:41 < snapcount> already started writing it =)
01:42 < Radix-wrk> yup.. I heard his ideas for it at the WUC :)
01:42 < zor0> I build perl web apps, and have plenty of experience with debian/apache/perl/mysql, I just expected this to be easy for me
01:43 < Radix-wrk> what went wrong?
01:43 < zor0> the wre mysql install dies horribly
01:43 < Radix-wrk> did you delete /etc/my.cnf before you started?
01:44 < zor0> it tries to start it, asks for the password to sudo, and then doesn't wait for input, just keeps running 
01:44 < zor0> yeah, I've read install.txt
01:44 < Radix-wrk> err.. you mean you weren't running it as root to start with?
01:44 < zor0> I have no /etc/my.cnf or other mysql/apache install
01:44 < zor0> no, I wasn't
01:44 < zor0> none of the docs tell me to
01:44 < Radix-wrk> well you'll need to run it as root
01:45 < zor0> and the script looked like it was set up to sudo where it needed to
01:45 < zor0> god damit, why doesn't it say that in the docs?
01:46 < Radix-wrk> okay.. so try it in a root shell?
01:46 < zor0> doing it now
01:48 < Radix-wrk> did you delete your /data dir and unzip the wre once more from scratch, or just run it again from where you left off before?  (I know the wre is fussy like that - it will often bomb out if you do the latter, so I do recommend the former)
02:00 < zor0> should everything I unpack into /data be owned by root?
02:00 < zor0> gah!
02:00 < zor0> Do you have WebGUI local or should I get it from a mirror? {local|mirror} mirror
02:00 < zor0> Getting current WebGUI version:         Failed! Continuing without it.
02:00 < zor0> Which version do you want to install? [500 Can't connect to update.webgui.org:80 (Bad hostname 'update.webgui.org')] 
02:00 < zor0> is that down? I can't ping it
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02:01 < Radix-wrk> looks like it :(
02:01 <@preaction-m> more likely it's the DNS that's having a problem, i'm trying to restore this system right now
02:01 < Radix-wrk> zor0 - no, everything in /data should not be owned by root
02:01 < Radix-wrk> PING frozen.plainblack.com (207.44.136.25)
02:01 < Radix-wrk> 52 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 50994ms
02:02 <@preaction-m> frozen is dead now too? 
02:02 < Radix-wrk> looks like it
02:02 < Radix-wrk> update.webgui.org resolves to frozen
02:04 < Radix-wrk> looks like today might not be the best time to install from the wre (unless you download the webgui manually from sf and use local)
02:06 <@preaction-m> i've been told to fix the DNS first, so give me 30 minutes
02:06 < Radix-wrk> in the meantime.. http://www.overclockers.com.au/image.php?pic=images/newspics/rainbow.jpg
02:08 <@preaction-m> try now plz?
02:09 < zor0> I already got it off sourceforge, I'm doing the local install
02:09 < Radix-wrk> frozen still doesn't respond
02:09 <@preaction-m> wtf...
02:09 < Radix-wrk> I can't ping it, and can't ftp to it
02:10 <@preaction-m> it's responding to ssh though... wtf
02:10 < perlm> This may be a really stupid question, but how would I go about editing the file this points at?  <link href="^/;style3/css03.css"
02:11 <@preaction-m> perlm: search through your asset tree for "style3", it should be under there
02:11 <@preaction-m> Radix-wrk: update.webgui.org is up now though
02:11 <@preaction-m> frozen just doesn't seem to respond to pings, might be a firewall issue
02:12 < Radix-wrk> okey.. it is via http
02:12 < Radix-wrk> silly me thought it responded via ftp
02:12 <@preaction-m> at least THAT backup went smoothly...
02:13 < zor0> W00000t!!!! it worketh!
02:13 < Radix-wrk> cool :)
02:13 < Radix-wrk> congrats zor0
02:13 <@preaction-m> someone should go to the community wiki and make sure that the installing WRE says to use root
02:13 < Radix-wrk> there's a wiki? :)
02:13 < zor0> heh, yeah...
02:14 < Radix-wrk> ooh.. there is now too
02:14 <@preaction-m> http://www.plainblack.com/support/community-wiki
02:15 < Radix-wrk> personally.. I think it's kinda obvious myself - I mean all of the shell prompts in that document are: "[root@localhost root]#"
02:16 < Radix-wrk> it also says as a prerequisite that you need root access to your server
02:20 <@preaction-m> #WebGUI WebGUI (stable 7.2.3 | beta 7.3.0) | WRE (0.7.2) | Use the Wiki: http://plainblack.com/support/community-wiki | Questions? Ask and wait patiently | Watch for migrant dork herds
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02:20 <@preaction-m> HATE...
02:21 <@preaction-m> this is what I get for using irssi through ssh from mac os x...
02:23 <@preaction-m> and it seems that plainblack.com doesn't have the Redirect asset/wobject/whatever that every other WebGUI site i've seen has...
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02:24 < Radix-wrk> Hmm.. the wiki works differently in IE7 than it does in firefox
02:25 <@preaction-m> not surprised...
02:25 < Radix-wrk> works fine in IE7
02:26 < Radix-wrk> but in firefox 2.0, it doesn't the most popular and recent changes sections as columns - and if I click on a link it reformats the page and compresses the text somewhat, but doesn't follow the link until I press it again
02:27 <@preaction-m> that's a bug
02:27 <@preaction-m> i had that same thing happen, i thought i just wasn't doing something right
02:27 < Radix-wrk> yeah.. it's definitely a bug
02:27 <@preaction-m> and i've got 90 minutes until big Donorware upgrade... have to eat sometime in there...
02:28 < Radix-wrk> hehe.. go eat man :)
02:28 <@preaction-m> www.cmsmatrix.org is still down, but the rest of Cold is back up
02:28 <@preaction-m> for some weird reason a whole bunch of Threads have no Posts...
02:29 <@preaction-m> and if I do a subselect to figure out which ones, i'll basically crash the box
02:29 < Radix-wrk> yikes
02:29 <@preaction-m> so i have to continually test and delete, test and delete
02:30 <@preaction-m> ... wait a minute... why are there 2067 Threads but only 1500 some Posts?
02:30 < perlm> some of the Posts are multi-threaded
02:31 < perlm> ba-da-ding.  Thank you folks, I'll be here all week.
02:31  * preaction-m throws tomatoes
02:31 < perlm> :D
02:31 < Radix-wrk> OT: Professional Hosting Services - http://www.overclockers.com.au/pic.php?pic=images/newspics/Hosting.jpg
02:32 <@preaction-m> horrors of hosting: true stories.
02:37 < Radix-wrk> I'm sure there's a few places around who offer exactly that kind of service :)
02:39 < perlm> preaction-m: I've looked at the assets and I can't find where I would change the page templates to have the default point at a different icon for the page header.
02:41 < perlm> oh......when I looked at the Macro it became clear.
02:43 < Radix-wrk> the ^/; macro just adds http://mysite.com/ to the url
02:44 < Radix-wrk> actually.. I don't even think it adds that.. just / or /index.pl? actually
02:44 < Radix-wrk> which was the old way of doing webgui pages in the 5.x versions
02:45 < perlm> it is like the magical invisible macro
02:45 < Radix-wrk> I removed it for all of my css personally.
02:46 < perlm> The style wizard rules......I won't have to edit any CSS at all.  <Best Pricess Bride Voice>Truuuuuuue  Woooooooove</>
02:46 < Radix-wrk> heh
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08:18 <@preaction-m> four hours later and I return a failure... Stupid old WebGUI not upgrading properly...
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02:01 < perlm> When a new version of WebGUI is released, I wonder how many downloads it gets.
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02:06 < perlm> Should Spectre be ran as root?
02:25 <@preaction-m> perlm: it shouldn't need to be
02:26 < Radix-wrk> as long as it has access to the webgui directory
02:27 < Radix-wrk> webgui itself (with the wre anyway) runs as nobody generally
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02:56 < perlm> Sweet, thanks.
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06:15 <@preaction-m> anyone else here get the WRE to compile for OS X for Intel Macs?
06:25 < Radix-wrk> Don't use os x myself.
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06:28  * PedersenMJ waves. I've been pondering purchasing access to "WebGUI Done Right", but there is one item that is crucial for me, and I haven't seen reference to it being in there: Does WDR have docs/videos showing how to reskin/retheme webgui? I want to do my own design for it.
06:29 < Radix-wrk> hiya
06:29 < PedersenMJ> Hiya.
06:30 < PedersenMJ> Sorry if I seemed rude with how I asked the question, but many chans I've been to recently have requested that questions be asked just like that.
06:31 <@preaction-m> that's how it's done on freenode usually
06:31 < Radix-wrk> WebGUI Done Right has a section for creating your own templates and "themes" - though ultimately it's only a guide - there are soooo many ways of doing templates that there is no 'right' way of doing them.
06:31 < PedersenMJ> That's okay. I just haven't been able to grok making my own "theme", and need some pointers as to processes I can follow at all.
06:32 < Radix-wrk> The main thing is learning the core template variables
06:32 < Radix-wrk> And how the different templates work together to create the whole
06:32 < Radix-wrk> Once you learn how those work - you can go create your basic css and layout in dreamweaver or frontpage or any other html editor of your choice really
06:33 < PedersenMJ> That, right there, would be the one question I would need to answer then: Does WDR discuss those? I'm not doing it for work, but rather for me, and $125 out of my pocket is kind of steep when I'm not certain it has what I need most.
06:33 < Radix-wrk> Have you checked out the wiki btw?
06:34 < PedersenMJ> Not really, no. I hate to admit it, but I just found the wiki a few minutes ago (at least, just found *a* wiki, over on webguidev).
06:34 < Radix-wrk> Actually.. the wiki is still very light on UI stuff
06:34 < Radix-wrk> I just looked myself
06:35 <@preaction-m> the wiki is very light period... it was just released the other day :p
06:35 < Radix-wrk> There was a great presentation on how to create a site theme given at the WUC this year
06:35 < Radix-wrk> I was hoping the content from that presentation was up there
06:36 < PedersenMJ> See, I don't *mind* spending the $125, just so long as those pieces are in WDR. The money is not, itself, the problem. Rather, the lack of certainty about what is actually *in* it.
06:36 < Radix-wrk> Well.. the WDR will give you a good starting point - there's a page at http://www.plainblack.com/builders/how-to-build-a-style that will get you started and explains the basics
06:37 < Radix-wrk> Actually.. it's been fleshed out since I last looked.. and looks like the content from the WUC talk - so it'll get you going pretty well
06:38 < PedersenMJ> Ah, thanks. I haven't bought the access yet, but now that I know it's there, I'll be buying it this week (maybe tonight, but doubtful, it's kinda late, and I'd prefer to buy it right when I can start using it).
06:38 < Radix-wrk> Glad I could help
06:39 < PedersenMJ> BTW, do you happen to work for plainblack?
06:39 < Radix-wrk> not me
06:39 < Radix-wrk> preaction does
06:39 < Radix-wrk> he's the only one here atm that does though
06:39 <@preaction-m> they can barely handle me, what do you think they'd do with you? ;)
06:40 < Radix-wrk> I'm the webgui lead on my company's site - and idle here most days in the hope of picking up a bit of knowledge or titbit I can use sometime :)
06:40 <@preaction-m> of course, i'm just a kid compared to most of the people i've been meeting these days
06:40 < PedersenMJ> That's okay. preaction, a suggestion for the website? Don't know if it would be well received, or would actually help, but it would have made me buy access a few months ago. A publicly accessible table of contents for what's in WDR would be a very nice thing.
06:41 <@preaction-m> it's a good idea, another one of those things that i'm surprised hasn't been implemented already
06:41 < Radix-wrk> Good idea actually :)
06:41 <@preaction-m> i'll run it by the big-wigs and see if they'll get our tech writer to do it
06:42 < PedersenMJ> Cool. Glad I can give that idea out :)
06:42 < Radix-wrk> Feel free to stick around - we're always here if you need any more help
06:42 <@preaction-m> sometimes even more PB people come in
06:42 <@preaction-m> er... person... er... roy...
06:43 < Radix-wrk> yeah.. like snapcount..
06:43 < PedersenMJ> It's the one thing that held me back, as I said (too many times, so will stop saying it now). In case they're curious, tell them to watch for "Michael J. Pedersen" coming in. Like I said, I won't buy it tonight, but will be surprised if I don't buy it tomorrow now.
06:43 < Radix-wrk> though I have seen JT here once - even got to talk to him for a good hour
06:43 <@preaction-m> and he didn't get tempermental? he hates IRC
06:43 < Radix-wrk> hehe
06:43 <@preaction-m> he's got problems dealing w/ people dumber than him, which unfortunately is a great many people
06:44 <@preaction-m> the lucky barstad
06:44 < PedersenMJ> I try not to fit into that category, but when it comes to WebGUI, I'd be very much dumber than him (or most anybody else).
06:44 < Radix-wrk> Was part of the community feedback sessions prior to WG 7 released.  He held one session late at night (for us aussies and people in our timezone) - and I happened to be the only one on the channel then
06:45 < Radix-wrk> got to air lots of problems, questions, etc with him then - was perfect timing for us too as we were headlong into WG dev
06:45 <@preaction-m> word
06:46 < PedersenMJ> One thing I wish I could see done is an easier time installing everything on Debian. I've not used RH for a while now, and prefer to avoid it. Ah well, shouldn't complain too much. The setup *does* get done, just is not as easy as I'd like :)
06:46 < Radix-wrk> I think he kept on hoping someone else would come along and ask questions before the time went ;)
06:47 < Radix-wrk> PedersenMJ, yeah.. we ended up switching to the WRE on CentOS 4.3 simply because of the ease of install
06:47 < Radix-wrk> Every other system here I have is debian
06:47 <@preaction-m> PedersenMJ: the source install should compile fine, if you apt-get install build-essential
06:47 < Radix-wrk> I tried managing it through apt-get and using a stable/testing mix, but it got to me after a while
06:47 < PedersenMJ> BTW, please call me either Mike or Ped or Pedersen. I couldn't use my regular handles, as somebody else uses them, but really don't go by this too much.
06:48 <@preaction-m> PedersenMJ: i'm using tab-completion, and usually IRC clients highlight your nickname :p
06:48 < PedersenMJ> Actually, preaction, what always gets to me is all of the extra Perl modules, not all of which are listed as requirements. It takes a good couple of hours to go through the whole list.
06:48 < Radix-wrk> I actually had some wierdo issues with navigations dissappearing that drove me crazy until I worked out it was some perl library that debian had grabbed that was different from what PB and everyone else was using that caused it.
06:48 < PedersenMJ> Fair enough. I won't make you shorten it. If you had to type it all, though, then you've got an option.
06:49 < Radix-wrk> I decided if PB recommended the WRE then we'd start using it, and it's been pretty good since
06:49 <@preaction-m> Radix-wrk: that is weird... another reason I want the WRE to have some faster development... snapcount has some excellent ideas that need implementation
06:50 <@preaction-m> and i've got a backup/restore utility i need to write, so what happened last night never happens again
06:50 < Radix-wrk> Yeah.. it'd be great if the WRE matured a bit
06:50 < PedersenMJ> For me, it's not a hugely viable option, though, as I have a single web server, and need to have other stuff on the same server for now.
06:51 <@preaction-m> the WRE's MySQL does not play nice with others, but that's MySQL's fault
06:51 <@preaction-m> the next version of the WRE should have a new setup script that lets you pick and choose what to install/setup
06:51 <@preaction-m> 0.8 i believe
06:51 < Radix-wrk> yeah, know what you mean PedersenMJ.. I kinda faked that by using different hostnames, ports, and our alternate ip for when we really got stuck.
06:52 < Radix-wrk> port forwarding as well of course
06:52 < PedersenMJ> Well, for now, it's working, so I'm not going to complain a lot. Someday, maybe, I'll take the time to work out an improved (in my mind, anyway) setup script. Of course, that means getting some extra .deb's into Debian, which is problematic in and of itself.
06:56 < PedersenMJ> Or.... Hmmm, idea. Have to add it to my list. Might do a webgui repository, so that it would become possible to do "apt-get install webgui", and get the install done.
06:56 < Radix-wrk> Someone (I have no idea who) created some debian deb's for webgui a while back - http://deb.cyberdiscordia.org/
06:56 < Radix-wrk> they're a little dated now tho
06:56 <@preaction-m> it is just me, or has the community seemed to have died a little?
06:57 < Radix-wrk> It's never really built up much unfortunately
06:57 < Radix-wrk> the big gap (2 years) between 5.5.8 and 7.0 didn't help as everything was in chaos during that upgrade
06:57 < PedersenMJ> Never looked into the community, myself. But finding out about webgui isn't exactly easy to do.
06:58 < Radix-wrk> Everyone's still getting used to 7.0 I suspect
06:58 < Radix-wrk> IRC is slowly getting bigger I'm glad to say
06:58 <@preaction-m> probably. i've been doing a lot (a lot) of 6.2-7.x upgrades recently
06:58 < Radix-wrk> It used to be that me and crythias were the only ones here for a while
07:00 < Radix-wrk> the biggest issue with webgui is that it's changing so fast still
07:01 < Radix-wrk> Which is great in some ways.. but annoying in others
07:02 < PedersenMJ> That's not just my imagination then! Good!
07:02 <@preaction-m> i'd like to see a better roadmap, with future API changes clearly marked on a map. 8.x breaks This This and This
07:02 < PedersenMJ> It had always seemed like I could check the webpage once every 4-6 weeks and get a new stable release.
07:03 < Radix-wrk> I'd like to see a more reliable stable release
07:04 < PedersenMJ> What issues have you seen with the stable releases that make you say that?
07:04 <@preaction-m> a lot of stability could be gained at the expense of making API changes
07:04 <@preaction-m> if i made the new error handler I want to, a lot more error messages could be made, and a lot more stability could be achieved
07:05 < Radix-wrk> Atm there's a release every week
07:05 < Radix-wrk> regardless of whether it's a beta or a stable release
07:05 <@preaction-m> mostly bugfix releases
07:05 < Radix-wrk> I'm using 7.0.8 stable atm
07:05 < PedersenMJ> I have no problem with a release every week, personally. After all, new betas could come out that often, easily.
07:06 < Radix-wrk> I'd love to get some of the bugfixes, but there's been three major updates since then - and each one of them has a lot of changes and gotchas, so it's not trivial
07:07 <@preaction-m> the upgrades are still doing things nicely. except for the minor caveat about 7.2.0
07:07 < Radix-wrk> It'd be nicer if the stable releases stuck around for a while.. and were kept uptodate with bugfixes, but no new features.
07:10 < Radix-wrk> I'd like all of the bugfixes up to 7.3.1 - but none of the new features (and possible new bugs as a consequence)
07:12 < Radix-wrk> I'm a software developer myself I might add - we work towards two major releases a year.  Webgui has been aiming at one a month of late :)
07:15 <@preaction-m> there's a point there... but there's so much legacy code to go through and make Work...
07:16 <@preaction-m> it would be nice to branch and only backport bugfixes for a span of at least three months
07:17 < PedersenMJ> anyway... Must be rude again, and get going. After midnight here, and need to get up in the morning (on time, for a change).
07:17 < PedersenMJ> Will chat later.
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07:33 <@preaction-m> i think i figured out the issues. intel macs don't like the OpenSSL, MySQL, or ImageMagick that's included with the WRE...
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08:32 < Radix-wrk> Yeah, sorry for dumping that on you preaction - you don't deserve it.  Guess I needed to get that out of my system tho - your question set me off! ;)
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15:33 < vidar_> does the search find content that the user does not have permission to access?
15:36 < ckotil> no
15:36 < ckotil> it hides it
16:11 < Radix__> yeah.. only shows the content in the search that the user has access to
16:29 < vidar_> that is what I figured, but some clients thought it was not possible
16:30 < vidar_> btw
16:30 < vidar_> there was some talk about a style generator
16:30 < vidar_> do you know what I mean}
16:35 < Radix__> yeah, there's a style generator - does basic layouts
16:36 < vidar_> somehow I have missed hthat one
16:36 < Radix__> it's a sidebar option if you edit a style I recall
16:36 < vidar_> were is it?
16:37 < vidar_> ok
16:37 < Radix__> Go edit a style, then on the left you'll see Style Wizard
16:37 < Radix__> It's very basic though - it then gives you two different styles to pick from
16:38 < Radix__> lets you pick a logo, site name, and the colours
16:39 < Radix__> Quick way to get started
16:39 < Radix__> but not much flexibility :)
16:40 < Radix__> you need to learn css/html and the basic html tags to be able to do more :)
16:41 < vidar_> ahh
16:41 < vidar_> I was hoping it was not for the complete site
16:41 < vidar_> I was hoping it was to divide the content space into regions
16:43 < vidar_> for the less skilled people here
16:47 < Radix__> fraid not :(
16:47 < Radix__> grab dreamweaver or frontpage and do a mock up in that..
16:47 < Radix__> it's not hard once you've done that to put it into webgui
16:48 < vidar_> I know
16:48 < vidar_> I have quite a lot of css/html exp
16:49 < Radix__> would be nicer for the newbies I agree
16:49 < Radix__> ajax driven wizard would be awesome
16:49 < vidar_> :)
16:49 < vidar_> yeah
17:19 < xdanger> Something like this would be nice:  http://blog.davglass.com/files/yui/grids/
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17:23 < Radix__> that would be perfect
17:24 < Radix__> just need to select where the navigation would go and insert the template tags and it'd be done
17:25 < Radix__> it's done with the YUI as well.. so should be simple to put into webgui surely
17:28 < xdanger> there is the sidepanel for navigation...
17:29 < xdanger> but thre should be more options than "left/right" and size...
17:29 < xdanger> like top,bottom, etc..
17:52 < vidar_> can it only have 2 cols?
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18:20 < vidar_> this is good stuff
18:20 < vidar_> would like to see the YUI calendar in webgui
18:20 < vidar_> ;>
18:31 < ckotil> that is pretty badass. the css grid builder
18:31 < ckotil> i should study that. ive been trying to build my sites without the use of tables. only divs, but its really hard.
18:32 < vidar_> the css grid is the most difficult thing to build modern website imo
18:32 < ckotil> tables just scale so easily
18:32 < vidar_> (from a photoshop file)
18:32 < ckotil> ya, i cut up the file the designer has been working on into chunks and throw it in a well laid out table
18:33 < vidar_> hehe
18:34 < vidar_> the problem is that designers that only know photoshop have no idea of how hard it can be to implement their design perfecly without tables
18:35 < ckotil> ya, they just know that it can be done using css
18:35 < ckotil> whenever i try to make a site without using tables, just divs and css they never fucking line up
18:36 < ckotil> so fuckem
18:36 < vidar_> dont understand why designers dont do css themselves
18:36 < ckotil> one more thing to learn
18:36 < vidar_> one more reason to fire them
18:36 < ckotil> they're content in knowing their adobe apps
18:37 < vidar_> I would rather pick up a kid that designs counterstrike websites rather than pro photoshoper
18:37 < ckotil> nah, cant fire thtem.
18:37 < vidar_> because the kids can do both
18:37 < ckotil> im certainly not going to design the site
18:38 < ckotil> heh
18:38 < vidar_> programmer spending his time in css is bad management
18:38 < ckotil> im no programmer
18:38 < ckotil> i dabble
18:38 < ckotil> my title is web developer
18:39 < vidar_> ahh
18:41 < vidar_> have never met one of those
18:42 < vidar_> so you use dw or similar program do to your job?
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19:13 < ckotil> yeah, for the most part.
19:13 < ckotil> but not entirely
19:14 < vidar_> I dont know how to use any of those
19:14 < ckotil> im also handy with a text editor
19:14 < ckotil> just point n click
19:14 < ckotil> ;]
19:14 < vidar_> not really good using the mouse if you know what I mean :>
19:48 <@preaction-m> i've never met a WYSIWYG program that does readable markup/css
19:52 < perlm> Dreamweaver does the best of all the WYSIWYG's I've seen and it is horrible.  css must be hand coded to make sense.
20:02 < ckotil> i spoke with a graphic designer the other night and he was hyping up adobe go live.
20:02 < ckotil> i tried it out. i didnt like it
20:03 <@preaction-m> but that's a designer. he probably doesn't understand a single word of CSS "code"
20:49 < vidar_> he should
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22:53 < ckotil> ya
22:53 < ckotil> these designers can setup a flash web page. thats about it
22:53 < ckotil> recent grads from indiana university bachelor of fine arts program.
22:53 <@preaction-m> so, useless
22:54 < ckotil> as web developers, yes
22:54 <@preaction-m> as functional members of society :p
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04:15 < xdanger> snapcount: are you non-idle?
04:16 < xdanger> Was just wondering about the new calendar... Is there going to be some sort of approval prosess for the events?
04:16 < xdanger> so that I could let my users input events and I could approve or reject them...
04:17 <@snapcount> preaction-m would know
04:17 <@snapcount> I'm not familiar with the original spec
04:18 < xdanger> preaction-m: so?-)
04:18 <@preaction> that's an RFE. currently the workflow activity that commits the events is hard-coded to "Commit without approval", but it could be changed once a config value is created for it
04:20 < xdanger> doesn't sound like much of work =)
04:20 <@preaction> it wouldn't be, no. but for the problem of the recurring events: you'd have to go in and approve each occurrence of a recurring event
04:20 <@preaction> or... the commit process would have to do it for you
04:21 < xdanger> can't you but them under the same versiontag?
04:21 <@preaction> that, and i'd like for the commit process to actually generate those occurrences, rather than having the user wait forever
04:21 <@preaction> it'd probably work, sure
04:22 <@preaction> atm i'm trying to get the WRE working on this intel mac, so JT stops yelling that he bought me a 3000 computer that I don't do dev work on
04:22 < xdanger> 8)
04:23 <@preaction> i've broken down, i'm installing ubuntu on it :p
04:23 < Radix-wrk> hehe
04:23 < xdanger> btw. is there a way to tell spectre to use some other host than the config option sitename?
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04:24 <@preaction> not that i know of
04:26 < xdanger> so i'll just have to tweak /etc/hosts for every site... nice
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00:54 < perlm> Almost everything I know about POE I learned from SPECTRE
00:55 < perlm> WebGUI is the gift that keeps on giving.
00:59 <+crythias> heh
00:59 <+crythias> now we need something called Edgar ... and raven
01:00 <+crythias> and usher
01:00 <+crythias> 6.2.11 - "The Pit" ... 7.x "The Pendulum"
01:20 <@preaction-m> 8.x - The Beating of His Hideous Heart?
01:44 <+crythias> The Cask
02:07 < snapcount> we should come up with a codename for 8.x
02:08 < snapcount> rabid monkey
02:08 < snapcount> the cleaner
02:08 < snapcount> longhorn
02:08 < snapcount> oh wait
02:08 < snapcount> =)
02:18 < perlm> I'm writing an application which is targetted at the desktop, but I wonder if it is presumptious of me to think users could install Apache and use WebGUI as the front end?
02:39 <@preaction> there is the WRE
02:39 <@preaction> but probably presumptuous
02:39 <@preaction> why not a web service? some sort of web-based interface to a program that stores things on the client's computer
02:54 <+crythias> It's presumptuous to assume people can install WebGUI.
02:59 < Radix__> I dunno.. if you use the windows wre and tweak it to use different port addresses from the norm - you'd probably have a pretty good chance of it working
03:00 < Radix__> the old webgui unzip n run actually worked surprisingly well I found.. unless something was already using port 80 (like IIS)
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04:58 < Radix__> hello likemick
04:58 < likemick> hi there
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06:48 < PedersenMJ> I've got an idea for something fairly large to plugin to webgui, but don't know if this would be a bad one. I've got a squid proxy at work, and am thinking that writing up a plugin for webgui which can write that config file might be a good thing.
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22:02 < ckotil> i cant install the wre. i run sh build.sh as root.
22:02 < ckotil> Stop in /usr/data/wrebuild/source/utils/lftp-3.3.4.
22:02 < ckotil> WRE ERROR: lftp make did not complete successfully.
22:02 < ckotil> fails at lftp
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00:00 <+perlDreamer> Hey, all
00:00 <+perlDreamer> I'm fixing WebGUI bugs today.
00:01 <+perlDreamer> I'm working on a Wiki bug in particular right now, and am stuck using an old browser here at work.
00:01 <+perlDreamer> Is anyone willing to do a little testing for me?
00:01 <+perlDreamer> You would need to have a SVN copy of wG running.
00:09 < ckotil> im running 7.3.1
00:10 <+perlDreamer> That would work, but having a copy of 7.3.2 would be better.
00:10 < ckotil> and have the wiki on the front page
00:10 <@preaction-m> perlDreamer: let me update SVN, restart wG, and see what's up
00:10 < ckotil> http://newt.grnoc.iu.edu/webgui
00:10 <+perlDreamer> ckotil: You okay doing manual patches?
00:10 < ckotil> sure/
00:11 < ckotil> ive done them in the past. just haev to go in order.
00:11 < ckotil> in teh past (before i knew about upgrade.pm --doit
00:11 <+perlDreamer> The bug I'm working on has to do with Wiki page history.  So first, please create some wiki page and then make 3 consecutive edits to it.
00:11 <+perlDreamer> this upgrade will be _much_ more manual than that.  This is text editor work
00:12 < ckotil> o
00:12 <@preaction-m> perlDreamer: run an svn diff?
00:12 < ckotil> never done it.
00:12 < ckotil> sorry
00:12 <+perlDreamer> svn diff would work as long as I'm diffing against 7.3.1
00:13 <+perlDreamer> preaction-m: this might be better to do with you since you're also a wG hacker.  You got time?
00:13 <@preaction-m> you should be able to pass a -r to diff, iirc
00:13 <@preaction-m> that's the thing, i've got an emergency install, if this person gets my login working
00:13 <@preaction-m> might have a few minutes
00:13 < ckotil> in that case. im heading home. good luck
00:13 <+perlDreamer> thanks for the offer, ckotil
00:14 <+perlDreamer> Doug, try this:
00:14 <+perlDreamer> Go into lib/WebGUI/Asset/WikiPage.pm
00:14 <+perlDreamer> jump to  line 316
00:15 <+perlDreamer> change all selfs into revisions so that they refer to revisions of the page rather than the current page.
00:15 <+perlDreamer> i.e. date => $date->epochToHuman($revision->get("revisionDate"))
00:15 <@preaction-m> k, give me a moment
00:16 <+perlDreamer> I'm like 99.995% positive this is right, but I really don't like checking in untested code
00:16 <+perlDreamer> due to hard experience
00:16 <@preaction-m> you don't have a web-facing dev server?
00:17 <+perlDreamer> Oh, I have a dev server, but a really old browser that doesn't work well with Ajax or YUI
00:17 <+perlDreamer> Mozilla 1.4
00:17 <@preaction-m> web-facing, so I could see it
00:17 <+perlDreamer> oh, no
00:17 <+perlDreamer> not here at $dayJob
00:17 <+perlDreamer> During the day I design chips for cell phone batteries
00:18 <+perlDreamer> During the night I become perlDreamer, hack of wG tests, bugs and documentation
00:18 <@preaction-m> i've been asking JT to get one... demo only works for latest release. i'd like a "test" that would use latest SVN, updated at the click of a button
00:18 <@preaction-m> he keeps telling me it's pointless
00:18 <@preaction-m> maybe i'll install a reverse proxy and use a semi-dormant computer i have for it
00:18 <+perlDreamer> It would require a lot of manual intervention.  You'd want to lock it while 1 dev is using it.
00:19 <+perlDreamer> otherwise I could reset it while you're trying to use it and vice versa
00:19 <@preaction-m> it would just update the source, using Apache2::Reload so it shouldn't mess things up (unless someone goes all ape-shit on it)
00:19 <@preaction-m> but i suppose I could make it lockable, give certain users passwords, etc...
00:20 <@preaction-m> another thing on my list after better Error handling and a full backup/recovery suite...
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00:20 <+perlDreamer> and documenting the Calendar and Event Assets? :)
00:20 <@preaction-m> pfft. low on the list. make them use the source :p
00:21 <@preaction-m> but i do need to do some rewriting to the API
00:24 <@preaction-m> altered, testing
00:24 <+perlDreamer> Just create a Wiki page, make 2-3 page edits, then look at the page history.
00:25 <+perlDreamer> In the original bug, all icons should have URLs that point to the same revision (current)
00:25 <+perlDreamer> If the bug is fixed,all URLs will be different.
00:25 <+perlDreamer> Dates will be affected the same way (with bug, all same (current), w/o fix, different and correct)
00:27 <@preaction-m> looks like i had a failed upgrade... must fix
00:29 <+perlDreamer> brb
00:33 <+perlDreamer> back
00:33 <@preaction-m> um... where can I add a wikipage? i think things have gotten messed up a little bit
00:34 <+perlDreamer> You add wikipages on the search interface
00:34 <@preaction-m> not seeing a link there
00:34 <@preaction-m> i'm upgrading to 7.3.2
00:39 <@preaction-m> and for some reason Apache2::Reload isn't working appropriately
00:40 <@preaction-m> your fix works
00:44 <+perlDreamer> sweet!
00:44 <+perlDreamer> Thanks, Doug
00:44 <@preaction-m> no problem
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01:47 < perlm> WebGUI's search passed the XSS "><SCRIPT>alert('XSS%20Testing')</SCRIPT> attack
01:47 < perlm> bravo
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06:52 < Radix-wrk> Hmm.. how do you import a package into webgui these days?  I want to import the phpbb skin, but can't figure out where to do so
06:54 < Radix-wrk> And while I'm asking questions.. how do you create a new page in the webgui wiki?
06:54 < Radix-wrk> the community wiki I mean
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06:57 < davo> Radix r u there?
06:58 < davo> Jesse?
07:00 < davo> i just read your reply to my post ("How to offer free blogs to users?")
07:00 < davo> thanks for answer
07:01 < davo> i want to talk you about ideas in order to build some perl code to achive this goal...
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07:06 < vcb> my name is David.. by the way...
07:20 < Radix-wrk> hiya
07:20 < vcb> hi
07:21 < vcb> thanks for post
07:21 < Radix-wrk> I'm no expert when it comes to using the API - but I've scratched the surface of it a bit, so got a feel for how powerful it is :)
07:22 < vcb> did you write any code for webgui yet?
07:23 < Radix-wrk> nothing in webgui no, just a small script to create users and set them up that we use in the office here.
07:23 < vcb> i see..
07:24 < Radix-wrk> You can do prettymuch anything with the WebGUI API if you put your mind to it - and it's pretty well documented (webguidev.com)
07:24 < vcb> i was thinking about your suggest...
07:25 < Radix-wrk> I'd try it manually to start with.. add a user, add a group, make the user belong to the group, then add a blog page, and set permissions for the page so that members of that group have edit permissions
07:25 < vcb> cool
07:26 < Radix-wrk> Once you're happy with the process - you could look at automating it a bit using the API
07:26 < vcb> what about the performance handling many groups (one for each user)? i hope to host about 50,000 users 
07:26 < Radix-wrk> maybe when the user signs up they can click on a button which sets them up with their own blog page (and creates the group, page and permissions automatically)
07:27 < Radix-wrk> now that's something I've no idea on really
07:28 < vcb> you think webgui can handle several groups?
07:28 < Radix-wrk> We have about 4000 users here, but they don't have edit privileges - I'm sure the edit side of things will add more load than a browsing user
07:28 < Radix-wrk> All depends what kind of server you have too :)
07:29 < Radix-wrk> you can cluster mysql servers for example.. and if you're using the wre you'll get big performance boost from the modproxy setup
07:29 < vcb> mm.. by the way.. it's better to use WRE over manually install?
07:30 < Radix-wrk> the WRE is the recommended way to install webgui
07:30 < vcb> even if i have a dedicated proxy in front of webgui host?
07:31 < Radix-wrk> it has everything you need built in, it's optimised and far easier to set up than using the webgui source
07:31 < Radix-wrk> that said.. if you have it set up already, and you're confident with apache/mysql tweaking - you'll probably do better on your own :)
07:32 < vcb> jeje.. ok
07:32 < Radix-wrk> the only thing I've ever found is that sometimes the perl modules that ship with the WRE are better tested than the ones you get with distros
07:32 < vcb> yes WRE should be more stable
07:33 < Radix-wrk> I had a wierd nav bug that bugged me for ages before I found out it was a bug in some perl module I was using
07:33 < vcb> but i always prefer to be a tester
07:33 < vcb> what module?
07:33 < vcb> which one>
07:33 < Radix-wrk> I don't know
07:33 < vcb> ;)
07:34 < Radix-wrk> I ditched debian and switched to the WRE around that time :)
07:35 < vcb> I'm looking forward to learn how API works...
07:38 < Radix-wrk> you know perl I hope? :)
07:41 < Radix-wrk> for my script I used the importUser.pl script that came with webgui as the base.. just rewrote it to accept some parameters and created the user accounts that way.  You'd need to use a different example, but maybe there's something in the sbin that could give you a few pointers.
07:41 < vcb> yes.. love perl
07:42 < Radix-wrk> cool
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07:42 < Radix-wrk> You'll have a ball then.  I had to learn perl as I went ;)
07:43 < vcb> i see..
07:45 < vcb> do you think there is a chance of hearing some ideas from core developers about this feature?
07:46 < Radix-wrk> You can always talk to PB directly about it sure.  That's where the PB support contract comes in handy - you can bounce things off them and ask for help if you get stuck (or run into a problem)
07:47 < vcb> i see
07:47 < Radix-wrk> preaction on here works for PB (though he's a new recruit, so is still learning himself in some ways), and occasionally other developers jump on here too
07:50 < Radix-wrk> http://www.plainblack.com/downloads/builds/7.3.1-beta/api/ - take a look at the API
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18:11 < fdillon> hey Martin, are you around?
18:11 <+MrHairgrease> yeah
18:12 < fdillon> sweet
18:12 < fdillon> I have a question for you
18:12 <+MrHairgrease> shoot
18:12 < fdillon> give me a minute
18:12 < fdillon> distractions and stuff
18:12 <+MrHairgrease> ok
18:13 < fdillon> do you know anything about the WRE for 6.2.11?
18:13 <+MrHairgrease> no
18:13 < fdillon> alright then
18:13 < fdillon> that's my question
18:14 <+MrHairgrease> I tried to compile the wre for gentoo last weekend
18:14 <+MrHairgrease> it failed
18:14 <+MrHairgrease> but my guess is
18:14 <+MrHairgrease> that it's a problem of the getoo install
18:14 <+MrHairgrease> never used the wre before
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22:57 < camidin> hello! how to mix collaboration system properties with a data for asset (how to allow comments to each entry of data form).
23:40 < vcb> maybe creating a forum dynamicly, using the dataform post ID as the collaboration system url?
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00:20 < vcb> is there a way to create content using a macro? for example: ^newContent(Forum, title, /home/aforum, templateid) ??
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01:01 < camidin> thanks vcb.. working on your ideas
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