--- Log opened Fri Dec 01 00:00:38 2006 00:01 -!- Jiggie2 is now known as Jiggie 00:01 < snapcount> here you go perlDreamer 00:01 < snapcount> http://search.cpan.org/~bingos/POE-Component-IRC-5.14/lib/POE/Component/IRC.pm 00:01 < snapcount> an IRC module for POE 00:02 <+perlDreamer> so instead of plugging it into webgui, we'd plug it into spectre 00:02 <+perlDreamer> that's doable 00:04 < snapcount> this one looks easier 00:04 < snapcount> http://search.cpan.org/~jmuhlich/Net-IRC-0.75/IRC.pm 00:04 < snapcount> trouble is that I don't know POE and I don't know the IRC protocol 00:05 < snapcount> two requirements to use the first one 00:05 <+perlDreamer> if we plug it into Spectre, then it could log _any_ IRC channel. If we don't we'd have to run _some_ daemon to log data before it's displayed. 00:05 < snapcount> the POE version would be ideal 00:06 < snapcount> it could trigger events in WebGUI like updating the IRC chat wobject 00:06 < snapcount> to show the message that was just typed 00:06 <+perlDreamer> webgui: change admin password to '456rty'; 00:06 <+perlDreamer> webgui: commit all version tags 00:07 < snapcount> heh 00:07 <+perlDreamer> that last one isn't so bad 00:07 <+perlDreamer> imagine a WSDL interface into WebGUI. 00:07 < snapcount> that would be sweet 00:08 < snapcount> no browser requirement 00:08 <+perlDreamer> Dial 533 to remove this user's account 00:08 < snapcount> yep 00:08 <+perlDreamer> so, while y'all are here 00:08 < snapcount> please deposit $0.25 to add this asset and press 1 00:08 <+perlDreamer> I need to know enough about SharePoint to convince my friend not to use it for his company. 00:09 <+perlDreamer> He needs something better than "Duh, it's open source and free" 00:09 < snapcount> have you looked at cmsmatrix? 00:09 <+perlDreamer> yes 00:09 <+perlDreamer> it's not convincing, try the comparison yourself. 00:09 <+perlDreamer> hosters are selling SharePoint accounts for $60/month. 00:10 <+perlDreamer> btw, I think the PlainBlack one is a little out of date. 00:10 <+perlDreamer> We haven't had SMB authentication for a long time. 00:10 < snapcount> tell Vrby... he's the matrix overlord 00:11 <+perlDreamer> does perlbot have a memorize command? 00:11 <+perlDreamer> perlbot: help 00:11 < perlbot> (fact)::tell (who) about (what)::(what) > (who)::learn (what) as (info)::relearn (fact) as (info)::phone (phone number)::shorten (url)::shorten it::search (module)::docs (module)::perldoc -f (function)::jargon (term)::math::fortune::flip::host (type) (record)::rot13::roll (die)::tempconv (temp)::scramble (foo)::8ball::slap::diss::what time is it::top/bottom (number) karma::geoip (ip) 00:12 <+perlDreamer> perlbot: learn (Vrby is the matrix overlord) as (vrby) 00:12 < perlbot> added (Vrby to the database 00:12 <+perlDreamer> perlbot: vrby 00:12 <+perlDreamer> perlbot: docs POE::Component::IRC 00:12 < perlbot> Documentation for 'POE::Component::IRC' can be found here: http://xrl.us/tkbq 00:12 < snapcount> perlbot diss snapcount 00:12 < perlbot> snapcount is my little bitch. 00:12 < snapcount> ouch 00:13 <+perlDreamer> lol 00:13 <+perlDreamer> perlbot:: perldoc -f open 00:14 <+perlDreamer> perlbot: perldoc -f open 00:14 < perlbot> Documentation for '-f open' can be found here: http://tinyurl.com/yxzkan 00:15 <+perlDreamer> perlbot: help learn 00:18 <+perlDreamer> perlbot: define vrby : vrby is the matrix overlord 00:18 < perlbot> added define vrby : vrby to the database 00:18 <+perlDreamer> perlbot: vrby 00:19 <+perlDreamer> perlbot: define vrby 00:19 <+perlDreamer> hmmmmm..... 00:20 <+perlDreamer> perlbot: tell snapcount about vrby 00:20 < perlbot> vrby isn't something I know about, perlDreamer 00:20 <+perlDreamer> perlbot: vrby is the matrix overlord 00:20 < perlbot> added vrby to the database 00:21 <+perlDreamer> perlbot: tell snapcount about vrby 00:21 < snapcount> he priv messaged me 00:21 <+perlDreamer> he needs a good user manual 00:21 <+perlDreamer> perlbot, not vrby 00:21 <+perlDreamer> I understand that Mrs. Vrby is quite good at getting Mr. Vrby to do the things she needs. 00:22 < snapcount> hehe 00:22 < snapcount> something cool is about to happen 00:22 -!- snapbot [n=snapbot@224.248.95.24.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui 00:22 < snapcount> hi snapbot 00:22 < snapbot> I am a traffic light, and Alan Ginsberg kidnapped my laundry in 1927! 00:23 < snapcount> yo 00:23 < snapcount> snapbot 00:23 < snapbot> Just walk along and try NOT to think about your INTESTINES being almost FORTY YARDS LONG!! 00:23 < snapcount> snapbot roxors 00:23 < snapbot> I have a VISION! It's a RANCID double-FISHWICH on an ENRICHED BUN!! 00:23 < snapcount> alrighty then 00:23 < snapcount> Net::IRC works 00:24 <+perlDreamer> s n a p b o t 00:24 < snapcount> snapbot 00:24 < snapbot> My pants just went on a wild rampage through a Long Island Bowling Alley!! 00:24 < snapcount> snapbot 00:24 < snapbot> Is it FUN to be a MIDGET? 00:24 <+perlDreamer> now that's funny 00:24 <+perlDreamer> the pants thing 00:24 < snapcount> snapbot 00:24 < snapbot> Just walk along and try NOT to think about your INTESTINES being almost FORTY YARDS LONG!! 00:24 <+perlDreamer> his random quote generator needs a little work, though 00:24 < snapcount> the Net::IRC module comes with a test script 00:25 < snapcount> I modified it to connect to freenode 00:25 <+perlDreamer> cool! 00:25 <+perlDreamer> so it forks a daemon and then hangs up? 00:25 < snapcount> uhh.. it's running in an infinite loop 00:25 < snapcount> you can bg it though 00:26 < snapcount> not sure how we'd implement this in webgui 00:26 <+perlDreamer> I'd plug it into spectre 00:26 < snapcount> it would have to be POEified 00:26 <+perlDreamer> we'd just use the POE one. 00:26 < snapcount> yeah 00:27 < snapcount> but, I don't think WebGUI knows how to communicate with other POE creatures 00:27 <+perlDreamer> It wouldn't have to. 00:27 < snapcount> I think the interface is very specific to WebGUI <=> Spectre 00:27 <+perlDreamer> all it would do is log things into a db 00:27 <+perlDreamer> then an Asset would just display lines of text from the db. 00:27 <+perlDreamer> should probably limit the db cache 00:28 < snapcount> I'm thinking chat wobject though 00:29 <+perlDreamer> okay 00:29 < snapcount> this thing would have to handle multiple connections 00:30 < snapcount> the idea is you configure the wobject to connect to a irc network/channel 00:30 < snapcount> the user says what nick to use and password (optional) 00:30 < snapcount> then they get a chat window 00:30 < snapcount> that would rule 00:30 < snapcount> but it would probably be easier to do a bot first 00:31 < snapcount> that you configured through webgui 00:31 < snapcount> so there would have to be communication between webgui and irc poe 00:31 < snapcount> should only take you a day 00:40 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@68.51.234.189] has joined #webgui 00:40 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 00:40 <+perlDreamer> yo! crythias 01:01 < Radix__> Morning guys 01:01 <+perlDreamer> howdy 01:03 < Radix__> Anyone know if/when the pdf's from the WUC 06 talks are going to put on the webguidev.com site? 01:03 < Radix__> I've had questions from several people now about creating objects or workflows and stuff - and they'd help so much 01:07 -!- snapbot [n=snapbot@224.248.95.24.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:26 -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat052.mxim.com] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] 01:26 <+crythias> darn 01:27 <+crythias> hope I catch him later 01:57 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 01:57 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythia1] by ChanServ 02:14 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@68.51.234.189] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:41 <@preaction-m> Radix__: i've been told that they'd appear after a while, I believe once we get the new support wiki created 02:49 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 03:46 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] 03:56 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 03:59 <+crythia1> where can I find a coder like that. 04:30 -!- Jiggie2 [n=none@63-239-138-22.dia.static.qwest.net] has joined #webgui 04:30 -!- Jiggie [n=none@63-239-138-22.dia.static.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:47 <@preaction-m> like whom? 05:04 <+crythia1> I wish I had Jesse's code. 05:35 < Radix-wrk> my code? 05:39 * Radix-wrk hides his code from everyone. 05:39 * Radix-wrk strokes his code and moans "My Preciousssss...." 06:53 <+crythia1> hee 06:55 <+crythia1> Jesse is a friend. yeah I know he's been a good friend of mine. But lately something's change that ain't hard to define Jessie's got himself some code and I want to make it mine... And it's compiling all those lines... And it's got a hot runtime I just know it. Yeah 'n' he's adding more lines late, late at night... 06:57 <+crythia1> You know, I wish that I had Jessie's code, I wish that I had Jessie's code. Where can I find a code like that? 06:57 * crythia1 has lost it. It's ok. you can agree. 06:57 <+crythia1> bump Radix-wrk 06:58 <@preaction-m> dude, where did you go? 06:59 * preaction-m wants whatever crythia1 is smoking 06:59 <+crythia1> heh 07:00 -!- crythia1 is now known as crythias 07:28 < Radix-wrk> lol 07:29 < Radix-wrk> You know.. I actually started thinking it was something to do with the song "Jesse's Girl" - but then I thought.. no.. he can't be doing something that geeky. 08:59 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:06 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:06 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui 09:06 -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ 09:38 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 09:38 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 10:00 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:22 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] 13:30 -!- Jiggie [n=none@63-239-138-22.dia.static.qwest.net] has joined #webgui 13:30 -!- Jiggie2 [n=none@63-239-138-22.dia.static.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:15 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 14:16 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 18:09 <+crythias> hee 18:10 < Radix__> drugs worn off now crythias? 18:10 <+crythias> I thought so. apologies. 18:11 < Radix__> hehe.. no need.. I had a chuckle :) 18:11 < Radix__> at your expense mind you.. but hey.. you did ask for it ;) 18:11 <+crythias> of course. not like you've not been bombarded with this all your life 18:12 < Radix__> It's a song that's been around for quite some time yes ;) 18:12 < Radix__> recently revitalised with the current 70's music revival 18:13 < Radix__> but she's mine.. she's all mine - noone can have my girl ;) 18:15 <+crythias> well I had fun with lyrics 18:15 < Radix__> you did well ;) 18:16 <+crythias> and it's got a hot runtime I just know it. 18:19 < Radix__> well it's past my bedtime.. nite :) 22:38 < ckotil> i think i found a bug in the versioning system 22:38 < ckotil> which prevented me from calling an asset a certain url, and i KNOW for certain there are no other assets with that url. 22:39 < ckotil> i think an open version tag is causing it. 22:39 < ckotil> im not working under the tag. its just sitting there idle. 22:39 < ckotil> the work thats been done under that tag is entirely unrelated to the work i just tried to do. 22:41 < ckotil> ill file a bug report if/when i commit that open version tag and it sitll doesnt allow me to name the url what i want. 22:54 -!- ckotil [n=newtrino@snare.grnoc.iu.edu] has quit ["leaving"] 23:12 -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@224.248.95.24.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:14 -!- royjohnson [n=royjohns@224.248.95.24.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui 23:26 -!- royjohnson [n=royjohns@224.248.95.24.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:27 -!- royjohnson [n=royjohns@224.248.95.24.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui --- Day changed Sat Dec 02 2006 01:01 < Jiggie> yoo 01:07 <@preaction> yooself? 01:35 -!- royjohnson [n=royjohns@224.248.95.24.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [] 01:46 -!- preaction-m changed the topic of #webgui to: WebGUI (stable 7.2.3) | WRE (0.7.2) | Questions? Ask and wait patiently | Watch for migrant dork herds 01:55 <@preaction-m> so the new Calendar and the old EventsCalendar aren't really that different... 01:56 <@preaction-m> except the Calendar works ;) 01:56 * preaction-m finishes the upgrade script so that he can check in 02:05 -!- royjohnson [n=royjohns@dpc674589249.direcpc.com] has joined #webgui 02:07 <@preaction-m> royjohnson: if i'm migrating every EventsCalendar wobject into a Calendar wobject, do I need to migrate all the old revisions or just the current revision? 02:08 < royjohnson> what non-sense art thou speaking 02:08 <@preaction-m> royjohnson: it'll also be nice when we get that IRC wobject created, people can join this channel from plainblack.com 02:08 < royjohnson> si 02:08 <@preaction-m> i'm about to check in the new Calendar 02:08 < royjohnson> oh oh 02:08 <@preaction-m> so i need to make the upgrade script 02:08 <@preaction-m> so do I migrate all the old revisions, or do I say "fuck em" 02:08 <@preaction-m> since they really have little purpose now 02:09 <@preaction-m> i mean, on the EC, only two columns are getting migrated, and on the Events there is currently no versioning 02:10 < royjohnson> well, you need to do something with them other than deleting them 02:10 <@preaction-m> damnit... i should just do it anyway, somebody's going to complain somehow that they can't revert to an old calendar from three years ago or something... 02:10 < royjohnson> yeah... data loss == bad 02:11 <@preaction-m> i mean i'll migrate the current revision of their EC assets, but the OLD ones 02:11 < royjohnson> is it any harder? 02:11 <@preaction-m> probably easier anyway, just copy one table to another 02:11 <@preaction-m> the asset and assetData tables won't change, except to update to the new className 02:12 <@preaction-m> then set some sane defaults, and get the templates all hunkydory 02:12 <@preaction-m> oh, calculate the recurrence pattern, i hope that works... 02:12 <@preaction-m> what if they deleted one recurrence? 02:13 <@preaction-m> the pattern isn't stored, but it looks like a relationship is... 02:15 <@preaction-m> BETTER IDEA: Don't calculate recurrence pattern at all! since all the events are created already (afaik) 02:15 * preaction-m is now thinking out loud. shutting up 02:15 <@preaction-m> perlbot hello 02:15 < perlbot> hello preaction-m 02:15 <@preaction-m> perlbot botspeak 02:17 <@preaction-m> perlbot 419 02:17 < perlbot> ESTEEMED SIR OR MADAM/DO NOT BE SURPRISED AS I HAVE YOUR NAME BY A NETWORK OF IRC (INTERNET)/I AM ABDUL MARJEEN BUDAHMI SUPERVISING MGR OF BAGDAD IRAQ BUS STATION/RECENT ROUTINE INSPECTION OF LOCKERS REVEALED A PARCEL, WHICH, WHEN OPENED PROVED TO CONTAIN (20 000 US) ANSWERS TO PERL COMPUTER LANGAUGE QUESTIONS. I SEEK YOUR ASSISTANCE IN MOVING THESE OUT OF THE COUNTRY... 03:28 -!- royjohnson [n=royjohns@dpc674589249.direcpc.com] has quit [] 04:05 -!- royjohnson [n=royjohns@dpc674589249.direcpc.com] has joined #webgui 04:15 -!- Jiggie [n=none@63-239-138-22.dia.static.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:24 -!- royjohnson [n=royjohns@dpc674589249.direcpc.com] has quit [] 04:26 -!- royjohnson [n=royjohns@dpc674589249.direcpc.com] has joined #webgui 07:41 < royjohnson> perlbot diss preaction 07:41 < perlbot> OMG preaction sucks. 07:41 <@preaction-m> wtf 07:41 <@preaction-m> i can't figure this out, once I use wG::Asset->new() how do I save the asset to the database? 07:41 <@preaction-m> update()? 07:41 < royjohnson> what? 07:42 < royjohnson> you want to change it's properties? 07:42 < royjohnson> or create a new instance 07:42 <@preaction-m> new instance 07:42 < royjohnson> only way to do that is addChild 07:42 <@preaction-m> i'm too strung out i can't figure a damn thing out 07:42 <@preaction-m> see, if i do it the way i'm doing it, it's impossible to rollback this upgrade if it fails, you'll have to reload the db backup 07:43 <@preaction-m> would that even be prudent? or will I get yelled at for that? 07:44 < royjohnson> why? Just create a version tag in your code... add all your crap, change all your crap, commit the tag 07:44 <@preaction-m> what i'm doing it changing the database directly 07:44 < royjohnson> bad Doug! 07:44 < royjohnson> no no no 07:44 < royjohnson> =) 07:44 <@preaction-m> it's the best way, otherwise i only get the one version of the asset 07:44 <@preaction-m> this way i get all the previous versions too 07:45 < royjohnson> why? 07:45 < royjohnson> you can specify revision date to the constructor 07:45 <@preaction-m> so i can get all the revisions and do it that way? 07:45 <@preaction-m> good god... 07:46 < royjohnson> yeah... query all by assetId 07:46 < royjohnson> that will give you every version 07:46 < royjohnson> then pass revisionDate to the constructor 07:47 <@preaction-m> and then get the properties, modify the properties, get the parent, add a child to the parent with the new properties, then trash the old asset 07:47 <@preaction-m> good lord in heaven 07:47 < royjohnson> no 07:47 < royjohnson> use update, it versions the asset 07:47 <@preaction-m> with a new className? 07:47 < royjohnson> if you're changing properties 07:47 < royjohnson> oh no 07:47 < royjohnson> it won't do that =) 07:48 < royjohnson> if you're creating a new asset using the old assets data 07:48 <@preaction-m> i'm changing EventsCalendars into Calendars 07:48 < royjohnson> you have to create one 07:48 <@preaction-m> yeah 07:48 < royjohnson> using earliest rev date 07:48 < royjohnson> then update it once for each date 07:48 <@preaction-m> ... christ... 07:49 < royjohnson> am I making sense? 07:49 <@preaction-m> with the Events I won't need to go through all that BS, there's actually no way for me to do it that way 07:49 <@preaction-m> yes 07:49 <@preaction-m> it's just crap 07:49 < royjohnson> ok... you just want one asset not one asset for each revision 07:50 < royjohnson> the important thing is to make it work 07:50 < royjohnson> we can make it better later 07:50 <@preaction-m> so I grab the earliest revision, make the asset, and then add revisions 07:50 < royjohnson> just do the best you can and meet the spec 07:50 <@preaction-m> see, I won't be able to do that with the Events 07:50 < royjohnson> can you explain why? without writing a novel =) 07:50 < royjohnson> or is it overly complex 07:51 <@preaction-m> because the module gets overwritten 07:51 <@preaction-m> i can't create the old asset, because the module is new 07:52 < royjohnson> I see 07:52 < royjohnson> that's kinda fucked 07:52 <@preaction-m> and since there's no way to rollback the Events without a db backup, i may as well not worry about the EC either 07:52 <@preaction-m> just going to have to put in the gotchas: "Do NOT perform this upgrade without a backup." 07:53 < royjohnson> well the upgrade does a backup unless you tell it not too 07:53 < royjohnson> s/too/to 07:53 <@preaction-m> right, but you can tell it not to 07:53 <@preaction-m> and if someone does, and it goes screwy, they're fucked 07:54 <@preaction-m> murphy's law... 07:54 < royjohnson> yeah 07:54 <@preaction-m> and he was an optimist 07:54 < royjohnson> the only way to get around this is to name Event something else, like CalEvent 07:54 < royjohnson> but even then, the upgrade would have to delete the old event module... scary 07:55 <@preaction-m> well, delete after it's succeeded, surely 07:56 <@preaction-m> or even delete it with the 7.4.0 release 07:56 < royjohnson> I think that's bad 07:56 < royjohnson> Have you asked JT his opinion? 07:56 < royjohnson> his the king of doing crazy stuff in an upgrade 07:56 < royjohnson> s/his/he's/ 07:57 < royjohnson> sheesh, can't type 07:57 <@preaction-m> looks like he's N/A 07:57 < royjohnson> well, do your best... the release isn't till Wed so if he doesn't like it we can fix it 07:58 < royjohnson> don't get hung up on this, just get the thing working 07:58 <@preaction-m> yeah, i'm just going to do it 07:58 <@preaction-m> i'm going to collapse if i dont... :p 07:58 < royjohnson> and relax... it's just code, you got this =) 07:59 <@preaction-m> yeah, it's cake If i can figure out these error messages 07:59 < royjohnson> what are they? 07:59 <@preaction-m> i've been keeping track of all the ones that I get that aren't straightforward and I hope to go back and fix that situation 07:59 <@preaction-m> this one is "DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Operand should contain 1 column(s) at ../../lib/WebGUI/SQL/ResultSet.pm line 135" 08:00 <@preaction-m> also, I think that the errorHandler needs to be updated, and have some sort of class method to access it (so you don't need a session object to have error handling) 08:01 < royjohnson> That sql looks like a query with no column 08:01 <@preaction-m> select (assetId,revisionDate,defaultMonth) from EventsCalendar 08:02 <@preaction-m> there aren't supposed to be () are there? 08:02 < royjohnson> nope 08:02 <@preaction-m> i hate the little shit... 08:03 < royjohnson> I never noticed that before 08:03 < royjohnson> insert into blah (1,2,3) values (...); but select 1,2,3 from foo 08:03 < royjohnson> weird 08:04 <@preaction-m> hooray for inconsistent language specs :p 08:06 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 08:23 -!- royjohnson [n=royjohns@dpc674589249.direcpc.com] has left #webgui [] 08:58 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 08:58 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 09:06 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:06 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui 09:07 -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ 09:19 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:02 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 15:02 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 15:06 <+crythias> hey 15:06 <+crythias> preaction 15:08 <+crythias> preaction-m, bump 15:09 <+crythias> Just reading the Calendar/Events Calendar thing 15:09 <+crythias> I don't understand why you have to overwrite EventsCalendar... 16:01 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 16:50 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 16:50 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 17:12 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:50 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 17:50 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 20:39 -!- royjohnson [n=royjohns@224.248.95.24.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui 20:39 -!- royjohnson is now known as snapcount 20:40 -!- mode/#webgui [+o snapcount] by ChanServ 20:40 -!- mode/#webgui [-o snapcount] by snapcount 20:40 -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@224.248.95.24.cfl.res.rr.com] has left #webgui [] 20:40 -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@224.248.95.24.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui 20:40 -!- mode/#webgui [+o snapcount] by ChanServ 20:41 -!- mode/#webgui [-o snapcount] by snapcount 20:44 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] --- Day changed Sun Dec 03 2006 05:48 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #webgui [] 08:58 -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@224.248.95.24.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [] 21:42 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 21:42 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ --- Day changed Mon Dec 04 2006 00:13 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui 00:13 -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ 00:41 <@preaction-m> crythias: the old EC will no longer work mainly because of the new Event Asset. It would, of course, be possible to finagle it so that they could co-exist, but I feel this way is better 00:41 <@preaction-m> that, and i was told to do it this way 00:42 <+crythias> k 01:24 <@preaction-m> would anybody here be able to recommend a wireless phone/data carrier? i'm currently looking at cingular with the 8125 smartphone 01:24 <@preaction-m> i wonder if skype would work with it 05:30 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 06:14 -!- royjohnson [n=royjohns@224.248.95.24.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui 07:57 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:36 -!- royjohnson [n=royjohns@224.248.95.24.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [] 09:31 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:32 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui 09:32 -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ 10:25 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] 13:20 < vidar_> hi 13:20 < Radix__> yo 13:21 < vidar_> have you ever had problems with the Head Block content i a template being displayed inside ? 13:24 < Radix__> What kind of problems? 13:25 < vidar_> the tags to a specific layout template appears not inside of the document but rather inside the 13:26 < Radix__> Hmm.. odd 13:26 < Radix__> by head tags you mean the ones you're adding in the metadata page for the template? 13:26 < vidar_> yes 13:27 < vidar_> special CSS 13:27 < Radix__> Hmm.. not ever had that problem myself 13:27 < Radix__> but to be honest, I've only used the metadata head section once or twice 13:27 < Radix__> I have a global css file I've embedded for the site 14:25 < vidar_> I am trying to use different css for the printable version 14:26 < vidar_> but it always embedds the 3 column layout wiht all the sidabar stuff that is not needed in the print version 14:47 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 14:47 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 14:55 -!- royjohnson [n=royjohns@215.48.119.70.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui 14:57 -!- royjohnson [n=royjohns@215.48.119.70.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 15:46 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #webgui [] 16:41 -!- Jiggie [n=none@63-239-138-22.dia.static.qwest.net] has joined #webgui 16:42 < Jiggie> sup peoples 16:43 < Jiggie> preaction xdanger how ya been 16:46 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 16:46 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 16:49 < Jiggie> sup peoples again.... 16:55 < Jiggie> what permissions should my mysql apache public folders have and who should own them in webgui 16:55 < Jiggie> my site after a few permission changes does not come up 17:08 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:18 <@preaction-m> Jiggie: check /data/wre/prereqs/mysql/var/`uname -n`.err if your error logs say "cannot connect to database" 17:28 < Jiggie> its connecting now 17:30 < Jiggie> i think i have to run a fix for mysql tables "myisamchk -Br *.MYI" 17:30 < Jiggie> cant seem to remember how to do it. as i'm getting this error now 061204 10:33:30 [ERROR] /data/wre/prereqs/mysql/libexec/mysqld: Can't open file: 'userSessionScratch.MYI 17:30 < Jiggie> ' (errno: 14 17:31 <@preaction-m> what's errno 14? i always have to look them up at mysql.com 17:31 < Jiggie> give me that site u sed to paste code again pls 17:33 <@preaction-m> perlbot pastebin 17:33 < perlbot> (see paste) 17:33 <@preaction-m> perlbot paste 17:33 < perlbot> Paste your code to http://sial.org/pbot/perl or http://erxz.com/pb and #perl will be able to view it. 17:43 < Jiggie> ermo..no idea and i remember not to check the channels... 17:47 < Jiggie> it says is a bad table and i need to repair it. so i should do REPAIR TABLE userSessionScratch; does that make sense 17:47 <@preaction-m> i don't know. that much is beyond me. i believe that myisamchk or one of the other command-line tools can repair the tables 17:50 < Jiggie> i'll try it, it seems to go with what happened to us. the database got corrupted when the space filled up read here 17:50 < Jiggie> http://www.redrook.com/faqs/mysql-error-cant-open-file-something.myd-errno-145.php 17:52 < Jiggie> that seemd to work 17:52 < Jiggie> wohooo 18:20 < Jiggie> yeah baby this is working 23:27 -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@215.48.119.70.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui 23:27 -!- mode/#webgui [+o snapcount] by ChanServ 23:34 -!- mode/#webgui [-o snapcount] by snapcount --- Day changed Tue Dec 05 2006 00:43 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 00:43 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 01:37 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:03 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 02:03 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 02:06 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 03:07 -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@215.48.119.70.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:11 -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@215.48.119.70.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui 03:11 -!- mode/#webgui [+o snapcount] by ChanServ 06:12 <@preaction-m> show us your +o face, roy! 06:19 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 07:09 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 07:09 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 07:31 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:01 -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@215.48.119.70.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [] 09:06 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:07 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui 09:07 -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ 10:18 -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@224.248.95.24.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui 10:18 -!- mode/#webgui [+o snapcount] by ChanServ 10:28 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] 13:20 -!- mode/#webgui [-o snapcount] by snapcount 22:02 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has joined #webgui 22:03 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 23:11 < Jiggie> quiet here 23:11 <@preaction-m> too quiet... 23:31 < Jiggie> yeah 23:32 < Jiggie> do i need to come and make some noise 23:55 < Radix__> get jiggie with it 23:55 * Radix__ breaks down and does a boogie. --- Day changed Wed Dec 06 2006 00:11 < snapcount> I just brought WebGUI to a new low 00:11 < snapcount> yes! 00:11 < snapcount> preaction... you're disturbing my slumber 00:22 <@preaction-m> snapcount you're totally blowing my vibe 00:27 < snapcount> I wrote a bash macro for WebGUI at 3am this morning 00:41 < snapcount> Now people can have random nuggets of vulgar and twisted humor in their wG site! 00:41 < snapcount> yay! 00:41 * snapcount is a tad loopy 01:07 -!- Jiggie2 [n=none@63-239-138-22.dia.static.qwest.net] has joined #webgui 01:07 -!- Jiggie [n=none@63-239-138-22.dia.static.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:16 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 01:46 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 01:46 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythia1] by ChanServ 02:02 -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: vidar_ 02:02 -!- vidar [i=gudjon@157.157.215.202] has joined #webgui 03:06 < Radix-wrk> ooh.. fun stuff 03:06 < Radix-wrk> added a user profile field with type Yes No and now whenever a user goes to edit their profile it comes up with: 03:06 < Radix-wrk> 2006/12/06 09:04:35 - ERROR - webgui.formsys.com.conf - main::[[undef]] - Couldn't execute operation : WebGUI::Operation::Profile::www_editProfile. Root cause: Can't use string ("Yes 03:06 < Radix-wrk> No") as a HASH ref while "strict refs" in use at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ProfileField.pm line 159. 03:14 <@preaction-m> ooh a bug 03:14 <@preaction-m> put it in the bugtracker and we'll fix it tomorrow 03:15 <@preaction-m> what's the best way to make a workflow run immediately? 03:15 < Radix-wrk> go to current workflows and hit run? 03:15 <@preaction-m> there's no "run" 03:15 <@preaction-m> just "enabled" 03:16 <@preaction-m> in the "Show Running Workflows" there's a "run" link, but the workflow hasn't started yet 03:17 < Radix-wrk> Hmm.. can you fake the url that webgui uses to get it to run that way? 03:17 <@preaction-m> not until an instance of the workflow is created 03:18 <@preaction-m> how do workflows get tested? 03:18 < Radix-wrk> good question 03:18 <@preaction-m> i imagine i can write a utility to do it for me 03:21 < Radix-wrk> yeah, you need a workflow instance id first before you can do anything in webgui with it 03:22 <@preaction-m> it's also annoying that I can't just do something to run my hourly tasks right now instead of later, sometimes I want to 03:23 <@preaction-m> i'll make the utility now, and make an RFE to add it to the admin console 03:23 < Radix-wrk> Yeah, a 'run now' next to each scheduled workflow task would be nice 03:42 < Radix-wrk> http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/three-profile-field-bugs#WUbOA_Ks3B-PlLvk93pQVg 03:43 < Radix-wrk> Found three bugs in all with user profiles then. What fun 03:45 <@preaction-m> fun indeed 03:45 <@preaction-m> gives us something to do for bugfix day tomorrow 04:05 < Radix-wrk> You good at sql queries by any chance? 04:05 <@preaction-m> sometimes 04:05 < Radix-wrk> SELECT 04:05 < Radix-wrk> a.fieldData AS "Email Address" 04:05 < Radix-wrk> c.fieldData AS "Opt-Out" 04:05 < Radix-wrk> users.status AS "User Status" 04:05 < Radix-wrk> FROM 04:05 < Radix-wrk> users 04:05 < Radix-wrk> left join userProfileData as a on users.userId=a.userId and a.fieldName = 'email' 04:05 <@preaction-m> perlbot paste 04:05 < Radix-wrk> left join groupings as b on users.userId=b.userId 04:05 < perlbot> Paste your code to http://sial.org/pbot/perl or http://erxz.com/pb and #perl will be able to view it. 04:05 < Radix-wrk> left join userProfileData as c on users.userId=c.userId and c.fieldName = 'emailoptout' 04:05 < Radix-wrk> WHERE 04:05 < Radix-wrk> b.groupId = 'IpZgQn75FPEsLgDpxSzL1w' 04:05 < Radix-wrk> ORDER BY 04:05 < Radix-wrk> users.dateCreated DESC 04:06 <@preaction-m> or http://pastebin.com or something 04:14 < Radix-wrk> pastebin doesn't seem to respond (submit it and it sits there loading for ages) - the other two seem to be for automating spamming on #perl channel 04:15 <@preaction-m> you can select "none" as a channel 04:15 <@preaction-m> http://sial.org/pbot/none 04:16 < Radix-wrk> http://sial.org/pbot/21635 04:17 < Radix-wrk> I think it's a left-join I'm doing wrong or something.. but not sure how to do it right 04:18 <@preaction-m> are you sure you can use quoted strings for AS? 04:18 < Radix-wrk> I've done it before in a previous sql query (which does work) 04:20 < Radix-wrk> http://sial.org/pbot/21636 is the one I based it on 04:20 <@preaction-m> hang on, i know frank wrote one just like this on another site 04:20 < Radix-wrk> which I wrote a year or so ago 04:21 <@preaction-m> what's the error message? 04:21 < Radix-wrk> it's the double left-join to the same table that I'm not sure about - but don't know how else to do it 04:21 <@preaction-m> the join is fine, frank did it for a client and it seems to work 04:21 < Radix-wrk> 2006/12/06 10:07:49 - WARN - webgui.formsys.com.conf - main::[[undef]] - There was a problem with the query: You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'c.fieldData AS "Opt-Out" 04:21 < Radix-wrk> users.status AS "User Status" 04:21 < Radix-wrk> FROM 04:21 < Radix-wrk> users 04:21 < Radix-wrk> lef' at line 3 04:22 <@preaction-m> you forgot commas between the field names 04:22 <@preaction-m> SELECT field, field, field 04:22 < Radix-wrk> Oh god I did too.. 04:22 <@preaction-m> i didn't notice until i looked at the working one ;) 04:23 <@preaction-m> they should change "near" to "before", it'd make more sense in those messages 04:23 < Radix-wrk> ooh.. now I'm getting a new one 04:23 < Radix-wrk> 2006/12/06 10:22:47 - WARN - webgui.formsys.com.conf - main::[[undef]] - Unconditional read failed: 04:24 < Radix-wrk> Ahh.. found it 04:24 <@preaction-m> snapcount: aren't you supposed to be asleep instead of replying to the support boards? 04:25 < Radix-wrk> thanks preaction-m - just needed a different set of eyes :) 04:25 <@preaction-m> i know how that is 04:28 < snapcount> yeah 04:28 < snapcount> I'm over-achieving today 04:28 <@preaction-m> amen to that 04:28 < snapcount> I think sleep depravation is making me crazy 04:29 <@preaction-m> lol you and me both 04:29 < Radix-wrk> heh 04:29 <@preaction-m> is there any special way to test Workflows? 04:29 <@preaction-m> i mean, i already wrote a utility to do it, but now that i've wasted an hour, tell me it was completely in vain 04:29 < Radix-wrk> sleep deprivation ain't bad for your health - as long as she's cute 04:30 <@preaction-m> she is a rough trick named Frank who looks like an Elvis Impersonator 04:30 < Radix-wrk> heh.. I think I might have seen her in las vegas when I was there then :) 04:30 <@preaction-m> i've been told she frequents the scene down there 04:32 < snapcount> what do you mean by test the workflow? 04:33 < snapcount> like, force it to run? 04:33 <@preaction-m> like test it, develop it, make sure it works 04:33 <@preaction-m> basically 04:33 <@preaction-m> create a new instance and force it to run 04:33 < snapcount> yeah... create a schedule entry for it 04:34 < snapcount> then you click "run" to run it whenever you want 04:34 <@preaction-m> "run" where? 04:34 < snapcount> goto manage cron in the ac 04:34 < snapcount> each schedule is listed, run button to the right 04:34 <@preaction-m> the Scheduler, okay 04:35 <@preaction-m> i could've added a new task here... damnit... 04:35 < snapcount> isn't it fun learning the UI side of wG? 04:35 < snapcount> it's almost like learning something entirely different 04:35 <@preaction-m> sometimes... 04:36 <@preaction-m> sometimes i'm amazed at what I can do with it, other times i'm frustrated by what I can't 04:36 <@preaction-m> either way, it's an hour wasted 04:36 <@preaction-m> in any case, sbin/runWorkflow.pl will be added once I've documented it properly 04:37 < snapcount> I feel like I could use the API to do just about anything... however, I am still so far behind in what WebGUI can already do out of the box 04:37 < snapcount> make sure you clear that with JT on the dev list 04:37 < Radix-wrk> can you use != in sql queries? 04:37 <@preaction-m> Radix-wrk: <> i think 04:37 < snapcount> he'll freak if you check something in that's not approved as a new feature 04:37 < snapcount> <> 04:37 <@preaction-m> snapcount: ahh, i'll clear it tomorrow 04:38 <@preaction-m> it's useful in any case 04:38 < snapcount> I'm sure it will be fine 04:38 < snapcount> sounds useful to me 04:38 <@preaction-m> then an RFE to make "Run" links for Workflows (not just scheduler) 04:39 < snapcount> you mean for activities? 04:39 < snapcount> or on the workflow screen 04:39 <@preaction-m> for entire workflows 04:39 <@preaction-m> or individual activities, whatever 04:39 < snapcount> oh ok, so you can do it from the manage workflows screen 04:40 < snapcount> that would be cool... one less step 04:40 <@preaction-m> some of them shouldn't be forced to run though, like the VersionTag ones 04:40 <@preaction-m> so there'd probably have to be a property to designate which are able to be forced 04:40 < snapcount> isBitch? 04:40 < snapcount> lol 04:40 <@preaction-m> canSmack? 04:41 <@preaction-m> you're evil 04:41 < snapcount> p0wn3d? 04:44 < Radix-wrk> wierd. <> doesn't work if the value is undefined - and since it's a new profile field, no current user has it defined (except the test user I just set) 04:45 <@preaction-m> IS NOT NULL 04:45 < Radix-wrk> so c.fieldData IS NOT NULL and c.fieldData <> 1 04:49 < Radix-wrk> cool.. didn't know about IS NULL/IS NOT NULL 04:49 <@preaction-m> a shortcoming of the SQL language 04:49 < Radix-wrk> worked out to be (c.fieldData IS NULL OR c.fieldData <> 1) in the end was what I needed 04:50 < Radix-wrk> thanks :) 05:19 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #webgui [] 07:35 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 07:35 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythia1] by ChanServ 07:35 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:05 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:13 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit [Read error: 148 (No route to host)] 15:13 -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@224.248.95.24.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [] 15:24 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 15:24 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythia1] by ChanServ 15:56 -!- crythia2 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 16:13 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:25 -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@215.48.119.70.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui 16:25 -!- mode/#webgui [+o snapcount] by ChanServ 16:26 -!- mode/#webgui [-o snapcount] by snapcount 16:26 -!- crythia2 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:23 -!- Jiggie2 is now known as Jiggie 17:23 < Jiggie> dd 20:02 -!- bipolar [n=bflong@mail.sscsince73.com] has joined #webgui 20:04 < bipolar> I'm trying to upgrade a webgui instance. It's currently upgraded to 6.8.10, but when I try to upgrade to 7.1.2 it says it needs no upgrades. ./upgrade.pl --doit --history shows that it is at version 6.8.10, and it finds the upgrade executable from 6.8.10 to 6.99.0. 20:24 < bipolar> looks like a bug in the upgrade script. removeing all the upgrade history except for the latest version seems to triger the upgrade. 20:24 < bipolar> I think it's just looking for the last in the list and the sorting confuses it. 21:09 < Jiggie> bipolar 21:09 < Jiggie> u ar ein luck 21:10 < bipolar> hmm? 21:10 < Jiggie> u must drop the database 21:10 < Jiggie> then import it again and try the upgrade script 21:10 < Jiggie> i just went tru that 21:10 < Jiggie> at the same spot 21:12 < bipolar> I did that, and it still stuck. The upgrade script only saw the last version in 'perl ./upgrade.pl --doit --history', and since the sorting made that 6.8.9 and not 6.8.10 it did not know it had an upgrade script available for it. 21:12 < bipolar> so I edited the version table so that .10 was the only one there, and it upgraded it. 21:12 < bipolar> it's working now. 21:13 < bipolar> accept for images only being vewable by people logged in even though they are set to 'everyone' 21:17 < Jiggie> i c 21:17 < Jiggie> it must be permision issues 21:17 < Jiggie> mine crapped out but its now working after a few bumps 21:18 < Jiggie> crap gui is not bad when its running, not so easy to fix when its not 22:09 < bipolar> whenever I change something, then commit the changes, that item is 'locked'. how does an item get unlocked? 22:10 < bipolar> I see this image I changes the metadata on in 'versions' as a pending version, but I see no way to get it out of pending so I can change it again. 22:15 < bipolar> wtf.... In the webgui log, it seems that requests are being sent to spectre from the machines public ip address, not 127.0.0.1. --- Day changed Thu Dec 07 2006 00:32 -!- bipolar [n=bflong@mail.sscsince73.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:25 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has quit ["Leaving."] 02:11 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 02:11 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 02:11 * crythias jumps aside as a migrant dork heard nearly runs him over. 02:11 <+crythias> herd, even 02:34 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 02:53 < snapcount> you have to watch for those dork herds 02:53 * Radix-wrk looks around in fear. 02:53 -!- snapcount changed the topic of #webgui to: #WebGUI WebGUI (stable 7.2.3) | WRE (0.7.2) | Questions? Ask and wait patiently | Watch for migrant dork herds and bunnies 02:53 < Radix-wrk> Wabbit Season! 03:01 <+crythias> duck season 03:14 < Radix-wrk> Wabbit Season! 03:14 < Radix-wrk> WebGUI Season! Fire! 04:29 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 04:29 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythia1] by ChanServ 04:48 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:00 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:03 < Radix-wrk> Site down for maintenance huh 05:07 < snapcount> 7.3.0 is in the house 05:07 < snapcount> the wiki is here!!! 05:07 < snapcount> well, it's almost here 05:08 < Radix-wrk> heh 05:08 < Radix-wrk> hasn't finished upgrading yet :) 05:08 < snapcount> assuming the pb.com upgrade doesn't cause fire and brimstone 05:08 < snapcount> nope... event calendar is being replaced with the new calendar 05:08 < snapcount> so it's taking a while to migrate 05:09 < Radix-wrk> ooh.. preaction's new stuff :) 05:09 < snapcount> yeah 05:17 < Radix-wrk> it's dead.. it's dead! :) 05:21 < Radix-wrk> ooh.. proxy error now 05:26 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 05:26 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 05:29 < Radix-wrk> hehe.. site dead now.. methinks I'll be waiting for 7.3.1 or 7.3.2 ;) 05:38 < snapcount> yeah... some goof didn't check that an object was created before calling a method on it 05:38 < snapcount> this is why we upgrade pb.com before pushing a release 05:39 < snapcount> the upgrade is running again but I left apache offline to make it go faster 05:42 < Radix-wrk> :) 06:04 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #webgui [] 07:05 -!- Radix-wrk changed the topic of #webgui to: #WebGUI WebGUI (stable 7.2.3 | beta 7.3.0) | WRE (0.7.2) | Questions? Ask and wait patiently | Watch for migrant dork herds and bunnies 07:09 < Radix-wrk> cool!.. like the new features in 7.3.0 - sounds good :) 07:14 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:14 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 07:27 -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@215.48.119.70.cfl.res.rr.com] has left #webgui [] 09:00 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] 10:42 -!- Radix| [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui 10:55 -!- Radix- [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui 10:59 -!- Radix__ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:04 -!- Radix| [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:19 -!- Jiggie [n=none@63-239-138-22.dia.static.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:47 -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@224.248.95.24.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui 17:47 -!- mode/#webgui [+o snapcount] by ChanServ 17:48 -!- mode/#webgui [-o snapcount] by snapcount 19:41 < xdanger> Is there a reason for the wiki wobject not to be enabled in the demo.plainblack.com? 19:42 < xdanger> would like to try it out =) 19:46 < snapcount> I added one to demo earlier 19:46 < snapcount> why do you say it's not enabled? 19:49 < xdanger> tried it last night and it wasn't on the asset list 19:50 < snapcount> oh 19:50 < snapcount> last night demo wasn't upgraded 19:50 < snapcount> I upgraded it this morning 19:51 < xdanger> O yes now it is =) 19:51 < xdanger> I didn't really look that hard... just a quick test... 19:51 < xdanger> hmm.. I'll go play ;) 19:51 < snapcount> usually I upgrade right after the release but last night I was tired so I slacked off 19:52 < snapcount> have fun 19:57 < xdanger> There's no "automatic linking" sort of stuff? just normal "link to a page in webgui asset tree"? 19:57 < xdanger> Oh, no there is... I just had a typo =) 19:59 < xdanger> only that it links to /home... not to /whateveryourdemorootis/home/... 20:06 < xdanger> O and it doesn't work with non-ascii characters... like äöå 20:11 < snapcount> neither does my irc apparently 20:11 < snapcount> I saw [incompatible encoding] at the end of your message 20:57 -!- vidar [i=gudjon@157.157.215.202] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 20:57 -!- vidar [i=gudjon@157.157.215.202] has joined #webgui 20:57 -!- vidar [i=gudjon@157.157.215.202] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 21:02 -!- vidar_ [i=gudjon@157.157.215.202] has joined #webgui 21:58 < xdanger> snapcount: when is wre 0.8 coming out? any eta? 21:59 < snapcount> not sure... I have my patches ready for JT for all of the setup improvements, but he's working on some new stuff too so I'm not sure 22:00 < xdanger> ok, I'm just upgrading my webgui fron 6.8 to 7.2 and upgrading the wre in the process... 22:00 < xdanger> I'm just getting ready for testing my own code upgrades... 22:00 < xdanger> (custom assets and macros) 23:15 -!- Jiggie [n=none@63-239-138-22.dia.static.qwest.net] has joined #webgui 23:16 < Jiggie> just set up the latyest beta on fedora 6 in less than 15 minutes 23:27 -!- william_ [n=william@rrcs-24-123-191-66.se.biz.rr.com] has joined #webgui 23:27 < william_> anybody here familiar with the SQLForm wobject? I've got a coding question regarding how tables are imported. 23:29 < william_> ok, i'll try the lists 23:44 -!- william_ [n=william@rrcs-24-123-191-66.se.biz.rr.com] has quit ["Leaving"] --- Day changed Fri Dec 08 2006 01:05 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@68.51.234.189] has joined #webgui 01:05 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 02:37 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 04:57 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] 05:11 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 08:18 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@68.51.234.189] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:59 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 08:59 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 09:21 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:37 -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@224.248.95.24.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [] 09:53 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] 15:00 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 15:00 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 16:35 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 16:36 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythia1] by ChanServ 16:36 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #webgui [] 16:49 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:24 -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@224.248.95.24.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui 17:24 -!- mode/#webgui [+o snapcount] by ChanServ 18:58 -!- ckotil [n=newtrino@snare.grnoc.iu.edu] has joined #webgui 18:58 < ckotil> Where is this new wiki? is it part of the collaboration system? 18:59 < ckotil> i read wiki object. but i dont see it 18:59 < ckotil> i see the logo's ;) 19:09 < ckotil> nvm. 19:09 < ckotil> i grabbed 7.0.3 lol 19:14 < ckotil> its.... rough 19:21 < ckotil> man. my lead engineer rips on webgui. aknowledging that its a powerful system. but insists the learning curve is steep 20:07 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@d-ip-129-15-97-108.oulan-south.ou.edu] has joined #webgui 21:01 -!- snapcount is now known as snap_away 21:16 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@d-ip-129-15-97-108.oulan-south.ou.edu] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 21:57 -!- snap_away is now known as snapcount 22:42 <@preaction-m> rotatelogs keeps destroying my computer... i think it has problems working with very large log files 22:45 <@snapcount> prolly 22:47 <@preaction-m> so wyoh is down until sunday night when i get home... --- Day changed Sat Dec 09 2006 00:05 < ckotil> kljh/quit 00:05 -!- ckotil [n=newtrino@snare.grnoc.iu.edu] has quit ["leaving"] 01:20 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 01:20 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 07:28 -!- snapcount is now known as zzSnapzz 07:38 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:50 -!- perlbot [n=perlbot@lv.pm.org] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:51 -!- perlbot [n=perlbot@lv.pm.org] has joined #webgui 08:00 -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: Radix- 08:00 -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: Jiggie, @preaction-m, perlbot, @zzSnapzz, vidar_ 08:03 -!- Netsplit over, joins: vidar_, @zzSnapzz, perlbot, Jiggie 08:03 -!- Radix__ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui 08:03 -!- Netsplit over, joins: preaction-m 08:03 -!- mode/#webgui [-o zzSnapzz] by ChanServ --- Log closed Sat Dec 09 08:06:50 2006 --- Log opened Sat Dec 09 08:11:54 2006 08:11 -!- xdanger [i=xdanger@i.should.be.in.a.mentalhouse.net] has joined #webgui 08:11 -!- Irssi: #webgui: Total of 7 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 7 normal] 08:11 -!- Irssi: Join to #webgui was synced in 3 secs 16:40 -!- zzSnapzz is now known as snapcount 16:40 -!- mode/#webgui [+o snapcount] by ChanServ 16:41 -!- mode/#webgui [-o snapcount] by snapcount 23:18 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 23:18 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ --- Day changed Sun Dec 10 2006 02:15 -!- snapcoun1 [n=royjohns@224.248.95.24.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui 02:16 -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@224.248.95.24.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:23 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 02:23 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythia1] by ChanServ 02:40 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:41 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 02:41 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 02:51 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:16 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #webgui [] 09:34 -!- snapcoun1 [n=royjohns@224.248.95.24.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:41 -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@224.248.95.24.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui 09:41 -!- mode/#webgui [+o snapcount] by ChanServ 10:23 -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@224.248.95.24.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:08 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 20:08 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 20:42 -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@224.248.95.24.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui 20:42 -!- mode/#webgui [+o snapcount] by ChanServ 20:42 <@snapcount> anyone around? 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15:36 -!- Radix__ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit ["Windows doesn't have users, it has hostages."] 15:43 -!- Radix__ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui 16:43 -!- mindspin [n=mindspin@p54B26B2D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:10 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has joined #webgui 17:11 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 19:02 -!- bipolar [n=bflong@146.145.26.91] has joined #webgui 19:04 < bipolar> Is there a way to have WebGUI's forms send emails via authenticated smtp? Our server does not have the option of anonymous smtp from localhost when sending from an email address from a domain it controls. 19:05 < preaction-m> "does not" or "is not configured to"? 19:05 < preaction-m> to be honest, i don't even know where the configuration settings for the mail server that WebGUI uses 19:07 < bipolar> does not 19:08 < bipolar> there is no option to do that. it's either allow all senders to spoof your domain or none. 19:08 < bipolar> preaction-m: the only thing I see is a field for the mail server's host name. 19:08 < preaction-m> what mail server are you running? 19:08 < bipolar> Citadel 19:09 < bipolar> The only thing I can think of is to setup a postfix frontend for it. 19:09 < preaction-m> must say I've never heard of that one. no chance of running something decent like postfix or sendmail? 19:09 < bipolar> Yeah, I can setup a frontend w/ postfix. 19:10 < bipolar> it's designed to allow that, but it's just another thing to set up and maintain. 19:10 < preaction-m> why not replace citadel w/ postfix? 19:10 < bipolar> although it does allow more control 19:10 < bipolar> citadel is more then smtp 19:10 < preaction-m> also, add an RFE for authenticated smtp 19:10 < bipolar> citadel is a full groupware server. 19:10 < preaction-m> if there isn't one already 19:11 < preaction-m> so smtp+imap? 19:11 < bipolar> well, it has Auth SMTP, thats the problem. I can turn it off so anyone can send mail, or leave it on 19:11 < bipolar> smtp+imap/s+pop3/s+ical+groupdav+kolab... etc... etc. 19:11 < preaction-m> i meant, add an RFE for WebGUI to handle authenticated SMTP 19:11 < bipolar> preaction-m: hehe.. yeah. doh... 19:19 < bipolar> Looks like, at least for the time being, I'm going to have to setup postfix on this box. good thing Citadel has an LMTP socket to make it easier. 19:19 < preaction-m> maybe just setup sendmail and disallow anyone to connect to port 22 on that box 19:19 < preaction-m> (except from localhost of course) 19:22 < bipolar> preaction-m: you mean port 25? thats used by citadel right now, so whatever I setup on that port must replace it's functionality. 19:22 < bipolar> unless webgui can be setup to send mail via a diffrent port... hmmm... 19:24 < bipolar> preaction-m: I don't see an option for a port number in webgui either :\ 19:24 < bipolar> it's ok. I've worked with postfix before, I can handle it :) 19:24 < preaction-m> but seriously, RFE for better mail server controls. I 19:24 < preaction-m> m surprised wG doesn't have them already 19:25 < bipolar> yeah... me too. 20:49 -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: vidar_ 20:50 -!- vidar [i=gudjon@157.157.215.202] has joined #webgui 20:53 -!- vidar [i=gudjon@157.157.215.202] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 20:55 -!- Netsplit over, joins: vidar_ --- Day changed Tue Dec 12 2006 00:12 -!- bipolar [n=bflong@146.145.26.91] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:18 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 04:32 -!- preaction-m [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:33 -!- preaction-m [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui 04:33 -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction-m] by ChanServ 04:33 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 04:34 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythia1] by ChanServ 04:34 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:48 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui 04:48 -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ 05:46 -!- __snappy [n=royjohns@224.248.95.24.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [] 05:48 -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@224.248.95.24.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui 05:48 -!- mode/#webgui [+o snapcount] by ChanServ 05:50 -!- crythia2 [n=Gerald@68.51.234.189] has joined #webgui 05:53 <@snapcount> the community wiki will soon be a reality! 05:54 <@snapcount> Just waiting for someone to sign off on the "we're not responsible for errors or ommissions" statement 05:54 <@snapcount> but I've already started putting stuff in it 06:03 -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@224.248.95.24.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [] 06:03 <@preaction-m> can I only add nodes from the asset manager? 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14:23 < vidar_> :) 15:52 -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@224.248.95.24.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui 15:52 -!- mode/#webgui [+o snapcount] by ChanServ 15:56 -!- mode/#webgui [-o snapcount] by snapcount 16:08 < Radix__> I agree with you there vidar! :) 16:58 < xdanger> demo.pb isn't runnings stable =) 16:58 < snapcount> it always runs the latest just like pb.com 17:00 < xdanger> snapcount: vidar_ was earlier saying that search function isn't working =), and then commenting that " < vidar_> how is that stable?" 17:00 < snapcount> oh ok 17:00 < snapcount> late to the party =) 17:01 < snapcount> didn't know search wasn't working though 17:01 < snapcount> I don't think that's on the bug list 17:08 < xdanger> also to recap: 12:40 < Radix__> yikes.. assets list seems broken too.. and keeps logging me out 19:28 -!- ckotil [n=newtrino@snare.grnoc.iu.edu] has joined #webgui 19:31 < vidar_> snapcount: is didn't work couple of months ago 19:32 < vidar_> when the conference was held 19:33 < snapcount> are you saying it doesn't work now? 19:33 < snapcount> I know it was broke back then 19:36 < vidar_> I was saying it was broken back then and the version was marked stable 19:55 < ckotil> the PHP BB Skin/Template is sweet. Id like to see a media wiki template for the wiki asset 19:59 < vidar_> gallery2 template would be more practical 19:59 < vidar_> the wiki is so new 20:08 <@preaction-m> I still don't know why they didn't implement it as a tree of user-editable Articles 20:09 < vidar_> implement what? 20:09 < vidar_> the wiki? 20:10 <@preaction-m> yes 20:10 < vidar_> how is it implemented? 20:11 <@preaction-m> there's two new assets: WikiMaster and WikiPage 20:11 <@preaction-m> I'm thinking that WikiPage could've been done without, and instead uses an existing asset/wobject like Post or Article 20:11 < vidar_> like calendar and event I suppose 20:12 <@preaction-m> a little different, Event has functionality that Post doesn't have 20:12 <@preaction-m> though, I could've made Event a subclass of Post 20:12 < vidar_> are you happy with your new calendar? 20:12 < vidar_> I have yet to try it 20:12 < vidar_> but have been looking forward to it 20:12 <@preaction-m> I was rushed. There are bugs that nobody knows about and there are kludges that make me ashamed 20:13 < vidar_> ahh 20:13 <@preaction-m> but otherwise, it's a ten thousand percent improvement over the EventsCalendar 20:13 < ckotil> nice 20:13 < ckotil> gallery2 would be sweet. i use that app at home. 20:13 < vidar_> dont need much to improve that 20:13 < vidar_> the EventsCalendar that is 20:14 < vidar_> perhaps I will look at it at demo.pb 20:14 <@preaction-m> the main problem I have right now is that iCalendar implementation is a kludge. I wrote my own parser and my own recursion generator, something I could've delegated to cpan modules. 20:14 <@preaction-m> it works, but it's not clean code 20:14 < vidar_> can you create events in the past? 20:15 < vidar_> that was a bug in the old one 20:15 <@preaction-m> that and iCalendar has a much richer way of describing recursion, and I haven't implemented that in the Calendar 20:15 <@preaction-m> i see no reason why you can't create events in the past 20:15 <@preaction-m> at least, I didn't put in anything that forces you to create events only in the present/future 20:16 < vidar_> it was a bug in the old one, old omnths were empty 20:17 < vidar_> the most annyoing thing is if you clicked on a date in the small month view then it would pull out only one event from the day and show it to you 20:19 <@preaction-m> yeah, those parts are completely redone. i believe I did it the only logical way I could 20:19 < vidar_> sweet 20:19 <@preaction-m> the only thing the old EC and the new Calendar really shared are what type of view to show by default (Day, Week, Month) and where to start by default (first event, last event, current date, which nobody knows that I haven't implemented yet... sshhh...) 20:20 < vidar_> the old EC could not show week 20:20 <@preaction-m> the more important part about the new Calendar is that it be easily subclassed for such things as a request calendar (request a resource for certain time periods, a vacation calendar) or a project calendar (integration into the project manager anyone?) 20:21 < vidar_> I think the most important part about a calendar is that it works :) 20:21 <@preaction-m> i believe my next project is a vacation-type calendar, which i'm trying to imagine as flexibly as possible 20:21 <@preaction-m> pfft, working is just a side-effect of good design and clean code 20:22 < vidar_> if it compiles, it works 20:22 <@preaction-m> :p what about runtime errors? divide by zero? 20:22 < vidar_> right? 20:22 < vidar_> :P 20:22 < vidar_> the real errors are logical errors 20:23 < vidar_> have seen way to many for the past months 20:23 <@preaction-m> yeah... timezones are not fun to work with. nor generating dates from an english phrase like "Every Sunday Monday and Tuesday on the Third week of every 2 months" 20:24 < vidar_> hehe 20:24 < vidar_> calendar is the nightmare of general programming imo 20:25 <@preaction-m> as it is, i thought of about 10 ways to make it better, as long as I have free reign to break the Calendar API (and I put big warnings on the parts of the API that will change) 20:25 <@preaction-m> i didn't have time for nightmares, i wasn't even sleeping :p 20:28 < vidar_> what about the "no api changes to 2030"? 20:28 < vidar_> :) 20:30 <@preaction-m> that's what he said at the WUC? 20:31 <@preaction-m> but I meant specifically the methods I created in the Calendar 20:31 <@preaction-m> like getEventsIn() and get/setRecurrence 20:44 < snapcount> the rules apply to calendar too preaction-m, but not until it's labeled stable 20:44 < snapcount> at that point your apis have to remain backwards compatible 21:23 <@preaction-m> you're not making 7.3.1 stable are you? 21:24 <@preaction-m> rather: do I get to make the decision when the Calendar is stable? 21:26 <@preaction-m> the main thing is the recurrence patterns: I want them to be in the iCalendar format, which means changing the Event asset's getRecurrence, setRecurrence, and getRecurrenceDates methods. Then I would consider the APIs to be stable (at least, it would be possible to maintain backwards-compatibility) 21:31 < snapcount> no no 21:31 < snapcount> have ya *seen* the bug list =) 21:32 < snapcount> the bug list decides when something is stable 21:32 < snapcount> but I guess I decide what the bug list is telling us 21:33 < snapcount> of course if you have a concern, you should voice it... I won't label a release stable if there are major problems and you know the most about the cal 21:33 < snapcount> so it all comes full circle I guess 21:34 < snapcount> well, I would like to see 7.3 be stable by next week... but it might not be until after the break 21:59 < vidar_> Ill wait 23:57 -!- zor0 [n=ian@c-24-22-67-104.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 23:58 < zor0> I'm trying to install webgui and the wre is horribly breaking the mysql instalation on my ubuntu system, where should I be looking for help? --- Day changed Wed Dec 13 2006 00:33 <@preaction-m> it's difficult to install side-by-side the WRE mysql and another mysql 00:33 <@preaction-m> (because mysql INSISTS on using /etc/my.cnf) 00:34 <@preaction-m> you might be better off removing mysql from the wre and just using your existing version 00:34 -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: @preaction 00:46 -!- Netsplit over, joins: @preaction 00:48 -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: @preaction 00:49 < zor0> ok, I dont have a seperate mysql install. I meant it was breaking its own install 00:51 <@preaction-m> what do you mean by breaking its own install? 00:51 < zor0> right now I've got the wre mysql ans apache servers working but the addsite script fails because /data/WebGUI doesn't exist, causing Hoster::WebGUIConfig to fail 00:51 <@preaction-m> why doesn't data/WebGUI exist? 00:52 < zor0> I mean I am running the setup wre script for ubuntu on my linux box and it kills the mysql server it comes with 00:52 < zor0> it dosen't, never got created by the script, theres just /data/wre where all the stuff is 00:52 <@preaction-m> the script should've asked if you wanted to install WebGUI from a mirror 00:53 < zor0> never did 00:53 <@preaction-m> you're using the contributed wre 0.7.1 for ubuntu? 00:54 < zor0> 0.7.2 00:55 < zor0> ok, when it exits it says that some files didn't match and gives me the diff commands do see what has changed, but then says "Setup Complete", so I take it that the script skipped a step and says its done anyway? 00:55 <@preaction-m> might want to destroy /data/wre and try re-installing 00:56 < zor0> I've only done that about 5 times, it never works right 00:56 <@preaction-m> are you following the steps on /data/wre/docs/install.txt ? 00:57 < zor0> this is really close to working, I just need to make it install that stuff apparently, I think it skipped it because I stoped and restarted the install script while tinkering with mysql 00:57 <@preaction-m> yes, the install script is annoying that way 00:57 < zor0> I was following the install.txt doc, but it offer ZERO help the minute I get an error from setup 00:58 < zor0> so, the setup exits because it thinks two config files have been edited manualy 00:58 < zor0> Some of your configs don't match the defaults. Run these diff commands to find out what's different: 00:58 < zor0> diff /data/wre/etc/stats.modproxy /data/wre/var/setupfiles/stats.modproxy 00:58 < zor0> diff /data/wre/etc/backup.conf /data/wre/var/setupfiles/backup.conf 00:58 < zor0> Setup Complete! 00:59 < zor0> so, can I delete /data/wre/var/setupfiles/backup.conf and it will be recreated with whatever new settings the installer is trying to use and then the installer will continue? 01:02 -!- Netsplit over, joins: preaction 01:02 -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ 01:09 <@preaction-m> no, you'd want to delete the ones from /data/wre/etc 01:10 < zor0> ok, I've made the files match, now when I run the setup script, it asks me if I want to run it again, I say yes, it does its thing, says "Setup Complete!" and exits 01:10 < zor0> and apprently skipped actually installing /data/WebGUI 01:18 <@preaction-m> you could just download WebGUI 01:18 < zor0> how can I do that? 01:19 < zor0> wait, that dir is just a copy of the non-wre files? 01:19 < zor0> well, I already scrapped it and I'm going to try and document what I'm doing this time 01:19 <@preaction-m> http://www.plainblack.com/getwebgui 01:19 <@preaction-m> under Download Source 01:20 < zor0> oh, I already wiped everything like you suggested 01:24 < zor0> preaction-m: are you a web-gui developer? 01:31 <@preaction-m> i'm employed by Plainblack, yes 01:33 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 01:34 < zor0> allright, I've figured it out, basically whatever wrapper you hava around sudo is horrible and unreliable 01:34 < zor0> it asks for my password and the script keeps right on runnind, I can't enter the password 01:35 <@preaction-m> there's a reason the WRE is in the 0.* series 01:35 < zor0> so a bunch of stuff fails, and then the setup script borks itself for lack of error checking 01:35 < zor0> why do you guys recomend it and call it "easy to install" then? 01:37 <@preaction-m> because it's far better than installing all the prereqs on each system manually? 01:37 < Radix-wrk> it's a hell of a lot easier than installing all of the perl modules/apache/mysql/etc manually 01:37 < Radix-wrk> I've had a wre setup installed from scratch in about 20 minutes.. including OS install (which took most of that) 01:37 < Radix-wrk> restoring from backup with the wre is even easier 01:38 < zor0> that could all be done automated using apt on debian distros, yum on rh, etc 01:38 <@preaction-m> i dunno man, Roy and I have been trying to bring one of PBs servers up for the last 4 hours 01:38 < Radix-wrk> not easily no 01:38 < Radix-wrk> I've tried managing the webgui stuff with debian using apt-get and it was a mess 01:38 <@preaction-m> zor0: and what about non-apt and non-rpm based distros? what about windows? what about mac os x? 01:38 < zor0> I like the idea, but please make the setup script verbose enough that when it spits out errors I have some idea what it was trying to do 01:39 < Radix-wrk> Webgui requires a LOT of perl modules - and a lot of the ones it depends on are the latest versions 01:39 < zor0> preaction-m: they can use the annoying setup script 01:39 < Radix-wrk> I had to go to debian testing to get half of them.. the other half weren't in debian at all.. and had to get them from cpan 01:39 < zor0> the setup script is fine, it needs to have more error checking and be more helpful when things go wrong 01:40 < Radix-wrk> Yeah, it does 01:40 <@preaction-m> i'll agree 01:40 <@preaction-m> and if i were allowed to touch the WRE, i'd help 01:40 < zor0> it looks like the sudo thing was just coded badly 01:40 < zor0> heh, you aren't allowed to work on it? 01:40 <@preaction-m> for now, it's just JT 01:41 <@preaction-m> the other three devs have their hands full with WebGUI 01:41 < Radix-wrk> snapcount did a few fixes.. and had a few ideas on how to improve it 01:41 < snapcount> they are going in 0.8 01:41 < snapcount> 1.0 will probably be the web based installer 01:41 <@preaction-m> he's got a wonderful idea for a web-based interface that should rock all high 01:41 < snapcount> already started writing it =) 01:42 < Radix-wrk> yup.. I heard his ideas for it at the WUC :) 01:42 < zor0> I build perl web apps, and have plenty of experience with debian/apache/perl/mysql, I just expected this to be easy for me 01:43 < Radix-wrk> what went wrong? 01:43 < zor0> the wre mysql install dies horribly 01:43 < Radix-wrk> did you delete /etc/my.cnf before you started? 01:44 < zor0> it tries to start it, asks for the password to sudo, and then doesn't wait for input, just keeps running 01:44 < zor0> yeah, I've read install.txt 01:44 < Radix-wrk> err.. you mean you weren't running it as root to start with? 01:44 < zor0> I have no /etc/my.cnf or other mysql/apache install 01:44 < zor0> no, I wasn't 01:44 < zor0> none of the docs tell me to 01:44 < Radix-wrk> well you'll need to run it as root 01:45 < zor0> and the script looked like it was set up to sudo where it needed to 01:45 < zor0> god damit, why doesn't it say that in the docs? 01:46 < Radix-wrk> okay.. so try it in a root shell? 01:46 < zor0> doing it now 01:48 < Radix-wrk> did you delete your /data dir and unzip the wre once more from scratch, or just run it again from where you left off before? (I know the wre is fussy like that - it will often bomb out if you do the latter, so I do recommend the former) 02:00 < zor0> should everything I unpack into /data be owned by root? 02:00 < zor0> gah! 02:00 < zor0> Do you have WebGUI local or should I get it from a mirror? {local|mirror} mirror 02:00 < zor0> Getting current WebGUI version: Failed! Continuing without it. 02:00 < zor0> Which version do you want to install? [500 Can't connect to update.webgui.org:80 (Bad hostname 'update.webgui.org')] 02:00 < zor0> is that down? I can't ping it 02:00 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #webgui 02:01 < Radix-wrk> looks like it :( 02:01 <@preaction-m> more likely it's the DNS that's having a problem, i'm trying to restore this system right now 02:01 < Radix-wrk> zor0 - no, everything in /data should not be owned by root 02:01 < Radix-wrk> PING frozen.plainblack.com (207.44.136.25) 02:01 < Radix-wrk> 52 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 50994ms 02:02 <@preaction-m> frozen is dead now too? 02:02 < Radix-wrk> looks like it 02:02 < Radix-wrk> update.webgui.org resolves to frozen 02:04 < Radix-wrk> looks like today might not be the best time to install from the wre (unless you download the webgui manually from sf and use local) 02:06 <@preaction-m> i've been told to fix the DNS first, so give me 30 minutes 02:06 < Radix-wrk> in the meantime.. http://www.overclockers.com.au/image.php?pic=images/newspics/rainbow.jpg 02:08 <@preaction-m> try now plz? 02:09 < zor0> I already got it off sourceforge, I'm doing the local install 02:09 < Radix-wrk> frozen still doesn't respond 02:09 <@preaction-m> wtf... 02:09 < Radix-wrk> I can't ping it, and can't ftp to it 02:10 <@preaction-m> it's responding to ssh though... wtf 02:10 < perlm> This may be a really stupid question, but how would I go about editing the file this points at? perlm: search through your asset tree for "style3", it should be under there 02:11 <@preaction-m> Radix-wrk: update.webgui.org is up now though 02:11 <@preaction-m> frozen just doesn't seem to respond to pings, might be a firewall issue 02:12 < Radix-wrk> okey.. it is via http 02:12 < Radix-wrk> silly me thought it responded via ftp 02:12 <@preaction-m> at least THAT backup went smoothly... 02:13 < zor0> W00000t!!!! it worketh! 02:13 < Radix-wrk> cool :) 02:13 < Radix-wrk> congrats zor0 02:13 <@preaction-m> someone should go to the community wiki and make sure that the installing WRE says to use root 02:13 < Radix-wrk> there's a wiki? :) 02:13 < zor0> heh, yeah... 02:14 < Radix-wrk> ooh.. there is now too 02:14 <@preaction-m> http://www.plainblack.com/support/community-wiki 02:15 < Radix-wrk> personally.. I think it's kinda obvious myself - I mean all of the shell prompts in that document are: "[root@localhost root]#" 02:16 < Radix-wrk> it also says as a prerequisite that you need root access to your server 02:20 <@preaction-m> #WebGUI WebGUI (stable 7.2.3 | beta 7.3.0) | WRE (0.7.2) | Use the Wiki: http://plainblack.com/support/community-wiki | Questions? Ask and wait patiently | Watch for migrant dork herds 02:20 -!- preaction-m changed the topic of #webgui to: WebGUI (stable 7.2.3 | beta 7.3.0) | WRE (0.7.2) | Use the Wiki: 02:20 <@preaction-m> http://plainblack.com/support/community-wiki | Questions? Ask and wait patiently | Watch for 02:20 <@preaction-m> HATE... 02:21 <@preaction-m> this is what I get for using irssi through ssh from mac os x... 02:23 <@preaction-m> and it seems that plainblack.com doesn't have the Redirect asset/wobject/whatever that every other WebGUI site i've seen has... 02:24 -!- preaction-m changed the topic of #webgui to: WebGUI (stable 7.2.3 | beta 7.3.0) | WRE (0.7.2) | Use the Wiki: http://plainblack.com/support/community-wiki | Questions? Ask and wait patiently | Watch for migrant dork herds 02:24 < Radix-wrk> Hmm.. the wiki works differently in IE7 than it does in firefox 02:25 <@preaction-m> not surprised... 02:25 < Radix-wrk> works fine in IE7 02:26 < Radix-wrk> but in firefox 2.0, it doesn't the most popular and recent changes sections as columns - and if I click on a link it reformats the page and compresses the text somewhat, but doesn't follow the link until I press it again 02:27 <@preaction-m> that's a bug 02:27 <@preaction-m> i had that same thing happen, i thought i just wasn't doing something right 02:27 < Radix-wrk> yeah.. it's definitely a bug 02:27 <@preaction-m> and i've got 90 minutes until big Donorware upgrade... have to eat sometime in there... 02:28 < Radix-wrk> hehe.. go eat man :) 02:28 <@preaction-m> www.cmsmatrix.org is still down, but the rest of Cold is back up 02:28 <@preaction-m> for some weird reason a whole bunch of Threads have no Posts... 02:29 <@preaction-m> and if I do a subselect to figure out which ones, i'll basically crash the box 02:29 < Radix-wrk> yikes 02:29 <@preaction-m> so i have to continually test and delete, test and delete 02:30 <@preaction-m> ... wait a minute... why are there 2067 Threads but only 1500 some Posts? 02:30 < perlm> some of the Posts are multi-threaded 02:31 < perlm> ba-da-ding. Thank you folks, I'll be here all week. 02:31 * preaction-m throws tomatoes 02:31 < perlm> :D 02:31 < Radix-wrk> OT: Professional Hosting Services - http://www.overclockers.com.au/pic.php?pic=images/newspics/Hosting.jpg 02:32 <@preaction-m> horrors of hosting: true stories. 02:37 < Radix-wrk> I'm sure there's a few places around who offer exactly that kind of service :) 02:39 < perlm> preaction-m: I've looked at the assets and I can't find where I would change the page templates to have the default point at a different icon for the page header. 02:41 < perlm> oh......when I looked at the Macro it became clear. 02:43 < Radix-wrk> the ^/; macro just adds http://mysite.com/ to the url 02:44 < Radix-wrk> actually.. I don't even think it adds that.. just / or /index.pl? actually 02:44 < Radix-wrk> which was the old way of doing webgui pages in the 5.x versions 02:45 < perlm> it is like the magical invisible macro 02:45 < Radix-wrk> I removed it for all of my css personally. 02:46 < perlm> The style wizard rules......I won't have to edit any CSS at all. Truuuuuuue Woooooooove 02:46 < Radix-wrk> heh 02:48 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 02:48 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythia1] by ChanServ 03:10 -!- zor0 [n=ian@c-24-22-67-104.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has left #webgui [] 05:59 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #webgui [] 07:27 -!- crythia2 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 07:52 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 07:53 -!- crythia2 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:18 <@preaction-m> four hours later and I return a failure... Stupid old WebGUI not upgrading properly... 08:33 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 08:33 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythia1] by ChanServ 08:55 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:48 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] 11:49 -!- Hinrik [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has joined #webgui 18:28 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:32 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has joined #webgui 18:32 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 18:48 -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@224.248.95.24.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [] --- Day changed Thu Dec 14 2006 01:41 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #webgui 02:01 < perlm> When a new version of WebGUI is released, I wonder how many downloads it gets. 02:02 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 02:06 < perlm> Should Spectre be ran as root? 02:25 <@preaction-m> perlm: it shouldn't need to be 02:26 < Radix-wrk> as long as it has access to the webgui directory 02:27 < Radix-wrk> webgui itself (with the wre anyway) runs as nobody generally 02:28 -!- Radix-wrk changed the topic of #webgui to: WebGUI (stable 7.2.3 | beta 7.3.1) | WRE (0.7.2) | Use the Wiki: http://plainblack.com/support/community-wiki | Questions? Ask and wait patiently | Watch for migrant dork herds 02:31 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 02:32 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythia1] by ChanServ 02:56 < perlm> Sweet, thanks. 03:05 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 05:35 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #webgui [] 06:15 <@preaction-m> anyone else here get the WRE to compile for OS X for Intel Macs? 06:25 < Radix-wrk> Don't use os x myself. 06:27 -!- PedersenMJ [n=marvin@mail.icelus.biz] has joined #webgui 06:28 * PedersenMJ waves. I've been pondering purchasing access to "WebGUI Done Right", but there is one item that is crucial for me, and I haven't seen reference to it being in there: Does WDR have docs/videos showing how to reskin/retheme webgui? I want to do my own design for it. 06:29 < Radix-wrk> hiya 06:29 < PedersenMJ> Hiya. 06:30 < PedersenMJ> Sorry if I seemed rude with how I asked the question, but many chans I've been to recently have requested that questions be asked just like that. 06:31 <@preaction-m> that's how it's done on freenode usually 06:31 < Radix-wrk> WebGUI Done Right has a section for creating your own templates and "themes" - though ultimately it's only a guide - there are soooo many ways of doing templates that there is no 'right' way of doing them. 06:31 < PedersenMJ> That's okay. I just haven't been able to grok making my own "theme", and need some pointers as to processes I can follow at all. 06:32 < Radix-wrk> The main thing is learning the core template variables 06:32 < Radix-wrk> And how the different templates work together to create the whole 06:32 < Radix-wrk> Once you learn how those work - you can go create your basic css and layout in dreamweaver or frontpage or any other html editor of your choice really 06:33 < PedersenMJ> That, right there, would be the one question I would need to answer then: Does WDR discuss those? I'm not doing it for work, but rather for me, and $125 out of my pocket is kind of steep when I'm not certain it has what I need most. 06:33 < Radix-wrk> Have you checked out the wiki btw? 06:34 < PedersenMJ> Not really, no. I hate to admit it, but I just found the wiki a few minutes ago (at least, just found *a* wiki, over on webguidev). 06:34 < Radix-wrk> Actually.. the wiki is still very light on UI stuff 06:34 < Radix-wrk> I just looked myself 06:35 <@preaction-m> the wiki is very light period... it was just released the other day :p 06:35 < Radix-wrk> There was a great presentation on how to create a site theme given at the WUC this year 06:35 < Radix-wrk> I was hoping the content from that presentation was up there 06:36 < PedersenMJ> See, I don't *mind* spending the $125, just so long as those pieces are in WDR. The money is not, itself, the problem. Rather, the lack of certainty about what is actually *in* it. 06:36 < Radix-wrk> Well.. the WDR will give you a good starting point - there's a page at http://www.plainblack.com/builders/how-to-build-a-style that will get you started and explains the basics 06:37 < Radix-wrk> Actually.. it's been fleshed out since I last looked.. and looks like the content from the WUC talk - so it'll get you going pretty well 06:38 < PedersenMJ> Ah, thanks. I haven't bought the access yet, but now that I know it's there, I'll be buying it this week (maybe tonight, but doubtful, it's kinda late, and I'd prefer to buy it right when I can start using it). 06:38 < Radix-wrk> Glad I could help 06:39 < PedersenMJ> BTW, do you happen to work for plainblack? 06:39 < Radix-wrk> not me 06:39 < Radix-wrk> preaction does 06:39 < Radix-wrk> he's the only one here atm that does though 06:39 <@preaction-m> they can barely handle me, what do you think they'd do with you? ;) 06:40 < Radix-wrk> I'm the webgui lead on my company's site - and idle here most days in the hope of picking up a bit of knowledge or titbit I can use sometime :) 06:40 <@preaction-m> of course, i'm just a kid compared to most of the people i've been meeting these days 06:40 < PedersenMJ> That's okay. preaction, a suggestion for the website? Don't know if it would be well received, or would actually help, but it would have made me buy access a few months ago. A publicly accessible table of contents for what's in WDR would be a very nice thing. 06:41 <@preaction-m> it's a good idea, another one of those things that i'm surprised hasn't been implemented already 06:41 < Radix-wrk> Good idea actually :) 06:41 <@preaction-m> i'll run it by the big-wigs and see if they'll get our tech writer to do it 06:42 < PedersenMJ> Cool. Glad I can give that idea out :) 06:42 < Radix-wrk> Feel free to stick around - we're always here if you need any more help 06:42 <@preaction-m> sometimes even more PB people come in 06:42 <@preaction-m> er... person... er... roy... 06:43 < Radix-wrk> yeah.. like snapcount.. 06:43 < PedersenMJ> It's the one thing that held me back, as I said (too many times, so will stop saying it now). In case they're curious, tell them to watch for "Michael J. Pedersen" coming in. Like I said, I won't buy it tonight, but will be surprised if I don't buy it tomorrow now. 06:43 < Radix-wrk> though I have seen JT here once - even got to talk to him for a good hour 06:43 <@preaction-m> and he didn't get tempermental? he hates IRC 06:43 < Radix-wrk> hehe 06:43 <@preaction-m> he's got problems dealing w/ people dumber than him, which unfortunately is a great many people 06:44 <@preaction-m> the lucky barstad 06:44 < PedersenMJ> I try not to fit into that category, but when it comes to WebGUI, I'd be very much dumber than him (or most anybody else). 06:44 < Radix-wrk> Was part of the community feedback sessions prior to WG 7 released. He held one session late at night (for us aussies and people in our timezone) - and I happened to be the only one on the channel then 06:45 < Radix-wrk> got to air lots of problems, questions, etc with him then - was perfect timing for us too as we were headlong into WG dev 06:45 <@preaction-m> word 06:46 < PedersenMJ> One thing I wish I could see done is an easier time installing everything on Debian. I've not used RH for a while now, and prefer to avoid it. Ah well, shouldn't complain too much. The setup *does* get done, just is not as easy as I'd like :) 06:46 < Radix-wrk> I think he kept on hoping someone else would come along and ask questions before the time went ;) 06:47 < Radix-wrk> PedersenMJ, yeah.. we ended up switching to the WRE on CentOS 4.3 simply because of the ease of install 06:47 < Radix-wrk> Every other system here I have is debian 06:47 <@preaction-m> PedersenMJ: the source install should compile fine, if you apt-get install build-essential 06:47 < Radix-wrk> I tried managing it through apt-get and using a stable/testing mix, but it got to me after a while 06:47 < PedersenMJ> BTW, please call me either Mike or Ped or Pedersen. I couldn't use my regular handles, as somebody else uses them, but really don't go by this too much. 06:48 <@preaction-m> PedersenMJ: i'm using tab-completion, and usually IRC clients highlight your nickname :p 06:48 < PedersenMJ> Actually, preaction, what always gets to me is all of the extra Perl modules, not all of which are listed as requirements. It takes a good couple of hours to go through the whole list. 06:48 < Radix-wrk> I actually had some wierdo issues with navigations dissappearing that drove me crazy until I worked out it was some perl library that debian had grabbed that was different from what PB and everyone else was using that caused it. 06:48 < PedersenMJ> Fair enough. I won't make you shorten it. If you had to type it all, though, then you've got an option. 06:49 < Radix-wrk> I decided if PB recommended the WRE then we'd start using it, and it's been pretty good since 06:49 <@preaction-m> Radix-wrk: that is weird... another reason I want the WRE to have some faster development... snapcount has some excellent ideas that need implementation 06:50 <@preaction-m> and i've got a backup/restore utility i need to write, so what happened last night never happens again 06:50 < Radix-wrk> Yeah.. it'd be great if the WRE matured a bit 06:50 < PedersenMJ> For me, it's not a hugely viable option, though, as I have a single web server, and need to have other stuff on the same server for now. 06:51 <@preaction-m> the WRE's MySQL does not play nice with others, but that's MySQL's fault 06:51 <@preaction-m> the next version of the WRE should have a new setup script that lets you pick and choose what to install/setup 06:51 <@preaction-m> 0.8 i believe 06:51 < Radix-wrk> yeah, know what you mean PedersenMJ.. I kinda faked that by using different hostnames, ports, and our alternate ip for when we really got stuck. 06:52 < Radix-wrk> port forwarding as well of course 06:52 < PedersenMJ> Well, for now, it's working, so I'm not going to complain a lot. Someday, maybe, I'll take the time to work out an improved (in my mind, anyway) setup script. Of course, that means getting some extra .deb's into Debian, which is problematic in and of itself. 06:56 < PedersenMJ> Or.... Hmmm, idea. Have to add it to my list. Might do a webgui repository, so that it would become possible to do "apt-get install webgui", and get the install done. 06:56 < Radix-wrk> Someone (I have no idea who) created some debian deb's for webgui a while back - http://deb.cyberdiscordia.org/ 06:56 < Radix-wrk> they're a little dated now tho 06:56 <@preaction-m> it is just me, or has the community seemed to have died a little? 06:57 < Radix-wrk> It's never really built up much unfortunately 06:57 < Radix-wrk> the big gap (2 years) between 5.5.8 and 7.0 didn't help as everything was in chaos during that upgrade 06:57 < PedersenMJ> Never looked into the community, myself. But finding out about webgui isn't exactly easy to do. 06:58 < Radix-wrk> Everyone's still getting used to 7.0 I suspect 06:58 < Radix-wrk> IRC is slowly getting bigger I'm glad to say 06:58 <@preaction-m> probably. i've been doing a lot (a lot) of 6.2-7.x upgrades recently 06:58 < Radix-wrk> It used to be that me and crythias were the only ones here for a while 07:00 < Radix-wrk> the biggest issue with webgui is that it's changing so fast still 07:01 < Radix-wrk> Which is great in some ways.. but annoying in others 07:02 < PedersenMJ> That's not just my imagination then! Good! 07:02 <@preaction-m> i'd like to see a better roadmap, with future API changes clearly marked on a map. 8.x breaks This This and This 07:02 < PedersenMJ> It had always seemed like I could check the webpage once every 4-6 weeks and get a new stable release. 07:03 < Radix-wrk> I'd like to see a more reliable stable release 07:04 < PedersenMJ> What issues have you seen with the stable releases that make you say that? 07:04 <@preaction-m> a lot of stability could be gained at the expense of making API changes 07:04 <@preaction-m> if i made the new error handler I want to, a lot more error messages could be made, and a lot more stability could be achieved 07:05 < Radix-wrk> Atm there's a release every week 07:05 < Radix-wrk> regardless of whether it's a beta or a stable release 07:05 <@preaction-m> mostly bugfix releases 07:05 < Radix-wrk> I'm using 7.0.8 stable atm 07:05 < PedersenMJ> I have no problem with a release every week, personally. After all, new betas could come out that often, easily. 07:06 < Radix-wrk> I'd love to get some of the bugfixes, but there's been three major updates since then - and each one of them has a lot of changes and gotchas, so it's not trivial 07:07 <@preaction-m> the upgrades are still doing things nicely. except for the minor caveat about 7.2.0 07:07 < Radix-wrk> It'd be nicer if the stable releases stuck around for a while.. and were kept uptodate with bugfixes, but no new features. 07:10 < Radix-wrk> I'd like all of the bugfixes up to 7.3.1 - but none of the new features (and possible new bugs as a consequence) 07:12 < Radix-wrk> I'm a software developer myself I might add - we work towards two major releases a year. Webgui has been aiming at one a month of late :) 07:15 <@preaction-m> there's a point there... but there's so much legacy code to go through and make Work... 07:16 <@preaction-m> it would be nice to branch and only backport bugfixes for a span of at least three months 07:17 < PedersenMJ> anyway... Must be rude again, and get going. After midnight here, and need to get up in the morning (on time, for a change). 07:17 < PedersenMJ> Will chat later. 07:17 -!- PedersenMJ [n=marvin@mail.icelus.biz] has quit ["[BX] Yo quiero BitchX"] 07:33 <@preaction-m> i think i figured out the issues. intel macs don't like the OpenSSL, MySQL, or ImageMagick that's included with the WRE... 07:51 -!- Jiggie2 [n=none@63-239-138-22.dia.static.qwest.net] has joined #webgui 07:51 -!- Jiggie [n=none@63-239-138-22.dia.static.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:09 -!- crythia2 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 08:22 -!- crythia3 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 08:22 -!- crythia3 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #webgui [] 08:32 < Radix-wrk> Yeah, sorry for dumping that on you preaction - you don't deserve it. Guess I needed to get that out of my system tho - your question set me off! ;) 08:39 -!- crythia2 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:04 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] 10:23 -!- Jiggie [n=none@63-239-138-22.dia.static.qwest.net] has joined #webgui 10:23 -!- Jiggie2 [n=none@63-239-138-22.dia.static.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:33 -!- Radix__ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit ["Windows doesn't have users, it has hostages."] 12:42 -!- Radix__ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui 15:33 < vidar_> does the search find content that the user does not have permission to access? 15:36 < ckotil> no 15:36 < ckotil> it hides it 16:11 < Radix__> yeah.. only shows the content in the search that the user has access to 16:29 < vidar_> that is what I figured, but some clients thought it was not possible 16:30 < vidar_> btw 16:30 < vidar_> there was some talk about a style generator 16:30 < vidar_> do you know what I mean} 16:35 < Radix__> yeah, there's a style generator - does basic layouts 16:36 < vidar_> somehow I have missed hthat one 16:36 < Radix__> it's a sidebar option if you edit a style I recall 16:36 < vidar_> were is it? 16:37 < vidar_> ok 16:37 < Radix__> Go edit a style, then on the left you'll see Style Wizard 16:37 < Radix__> It's very basic though - it then gives you two different styles to pick from 16:38 < Radix__> lets you pick a logo, site name, and the colours 16:39 < Radix__> Quick way to get started 16:39 < Radix__> but not much flexibility :) 16:40 < Radix__> you need to learn css/html and the basic html tags to be able to do more :) 16:41 < vidar_> ahh 16:41 < vidar_> I was hoping it was not for the complete site 16:41 < vidar_> I was hoping it was to divide the content space into regions 16:43 < vidar_> for the less skilled people here 16:47 < Radix__> fraid not :( 16:47 < Radix__> grab dreamweaver or frontpage and do a mock up in that.. 16:47 < Radix__> it's not hard once you've done that to put it into webgui 16:48 < vidar_> I know 16:48 < vidar_> I have quite a lot of css/html exp 16:49 < Radix__> would be nicer for the newbies I agree 16:49 < Radix__> ajax driven wizard would be awesome 16:49 < vidar_> :) 16:49 < vidar_> yeah 17:19 < xdanger> Something like this would be nice: http://blog.davglass.com/files/yui/grids/ 17:19 -!- Irssi: #webgui: Total of 10 nicks [2 ops, 0 halfops, 1 voices, 7 normal] 17:23 < Radix__> that would be perfect 17:24 < Radix__> just need to select where the navigation would go and insert the template tags and it'd be done 17:25 < Radix__> it's done with the YUI as well.. so should be simple to put into webgui surely 17:28 < xdanger> there is the sidepanel for navigation... 17:29 < xdanger> but thre should be more options than "left/right" and size... 17:29 < xdanger> like top,bottom, etc.. 17:52 < vidar_> can it only have 2 cols? 18:10 -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@224.248.95.24.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui 18:10 -!- mode/#webgui [+o snapcount] by ChanServ 18:20 < vidar_> this is good stuff 18:20 < vidar_> would like to see the YUI calendar in webgui 18:20 < vidar_> ;> 18:31 < ckotil> that is pretty badass. the css grid builder 18:31 < ckotil> i should study that. ive been trying to build my sites without the use of tables. only divs, but its really hard. 18:32 < vidar_> the css grid is the most difficult thing to build modern website imo 18:32 < ckotil> tables just scale so easily 18:32 < vidar_> (from a photoshop file) 18:32 < ckotil> ya, i cut up the file the designer has been working on into chunks and throw it in a well laid out table 18:33 < vidar_> hehe 18:34 < vidar_> the problem is that designers that only know photoshop have no idea of how hard it can be to implement their design perfecly without tables 18:35 < ckotil> ya, they just know that it can be done using css 18:35 < ckotil> whenever i try to make a site without using tables, just divs and css they never fucking line up 18:36 < ckotil> so fuckem 18:36 < vidar_> dont understand why designers dont do css themselves 18:36 < ckotil> one more thing to learn 18:36 < vidar_> one more reason to fire them 18:36 < ckotil> they're content in knowing their adobe apps 18:37 < vidar_> I would rather pick up a kid that designs counterstrike websites rather than pro photoshoper 18:37 < ckotil> nah, cant fire thtem. 18:37 < vidar_> because the kids can do both 18:37 < ckotil> im certainly not going to design the site 18:38 < ckotil> heh 18:38 < vidar_> programmer spending his time in css is bad management 18:38 < ckotil> im no programmer 18:38 < ckotil> i dabble 18:38 < ckotil> my title is web developer 18:39 < vidar_> ahh 18:41 < vidar_> have never met one of those 18:42 < vidar_> so you use dw or similar program do to your job? 18:45 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #webgui 18:51 -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@224.248.95.24.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [] 19:13 < ckotil> yeah, for the most part. 19:13 < ckotil> but not entirely 19:14 < vidar_> I dont know how to use any of those 19:14 < ckotil> im also handy with a text editor 19:14 < ckotil> just point n click 19:14 < ckotil> ;] 19:14 < vidar_> not really good using the mouse if you know what I mean :> 19:48 <@preaction-m> i've never met a WYSIWYG program that does readable markup/css 19:52 < perlm> Dreamweaver does the best of all the WYSIWYG's I've seen and it is horrible. css must be hand coded to make sense. 20:02 < ckotil> i spoke with a graphic designer the other night and he was hyping up adobe go live. 20:02 < ckotil> i tried it out. i didnt like it 20:03 <@preaction-m> but that's a designer. he probably doesn't understand a single word of CSS "code" 20:49 < vidar_> he should 21:08 -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@224.248.95.24.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui 21:08 -!- mode/#webgui [+o snapcount] by ChanServ 22:53 < ckotil> ya 22:53 < ckotil> these designers can setup a flash web page. thats about it 22:53 < ckotil> recent grads from indiana university bachelor of fine arts program. 22:53 <@preaction-m> so, useless 22:54 < ckotil> as web developers, yes 22:54 <@preaction-m> as functional members of society :p --- Day changed Fri Dec 15 2006 00:43 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has left #webgui [] 02:34 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 04:12 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 04:12 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythia1] by ChanServ 04:15 < xdanger> snapcount: are you non-idle? 04:16 < xdanger> Was just wondering about the new calendar... Is there going to be some sort of approval prosess for the events? 04:16 < xdanger> so that I could let my users input events and I could approve or reject them... 04:17 <@snapcount> preaction-m would know 04:17 <@snapcount> I'm not familiar with the original spec 04:18 < xdanger> preaction-m: so?-) 04:18 <@preaction> that's an RFE. currently the workflow activity that commits the events is hard-coded to "Commit without approval", but it could be changed once a config value is created for it 04:20 < xdanger> doesn't sound like much of work =) 04:20 <@preaction> it wouldn't be, no. but for the problem of the recurring events: you'd have to go in and approve each occurrence of a recurring event 04:20 <@preaction> or... the commit process would have to do it for you 04:21 < xdanger> can't you but them under the same versiontag? 04:21 <@preaction> that, and i'd like for the commit process to actually generate those occurrences, rather than having the user wait forever 04:21 <@preaction> it'd probably work, sure 04:22 <@preaction> atm i'm trying to get the WRE working on this intel mac, so JT stops yelling that he bought me a 3000 computer that I don't do dev work on 04:22 < xdanger> 8) 04:23 <@preaction> i've broken down, i'm installing ubuntu on it :p 04:23 < Radix-wrk> hehe 04:23 < xdanger> btw. is there a way to tell spectre to use some other host than the config option sitename? 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01:44 <+crythias> The Cask 02:07 < snapcount> we should come up with a codename for 8.x 02:08 < snapcount> rabid monkey 02:08 < snapcount> the cleaner 02:08 < snapcount> longhorn 02:08 < snapcount> oh wait 02:08 < snapcount> =) 02:18 < perlm> I'm writing an application which is targetted at the desktop, but I wonder if it is presumptious of me to think users could install Apache and use WebGUI as the front end? 02:39 <@preaction> there is the WRE 02:39 <@preaction> but probably presumptuous 02:39 <@preaction> why not a web service? some sort of web-based interface to a program that stores things on the client's computer 02:54 <+crythias> It's presumptuous to assume people can install WebGUI. 02:59 < Radix__> I dunno.. if you use the windows wre and tweak it to use different port addresses from the norm - you'd probably have a pretty good chance of it working 03:00 < Radix__> the old webgui unzip n run actually worked surprisingly well I found.. unless something was already using port 80 (like IIS) 04:49 -!- likemick [n=mickj@cpe-24-26-128-135.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui 04:58 < Radix__> hello likemick 04:58 < likemick> hi there 05:43 -!- likemick_ [n=mickj@cpe-24-210-42-246.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui 05:49 -!- likemick1 [n=mickj@cpe-24-26-128-135.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui 05:57 -!- likemick [n=mickj@cpe-24-26-128-135.columbus.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:00 -!- likemick_ [n=mickj@cpe-24-210-42-246.columbus.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 06:23 -!- snapcount [n=snapcoun@224.248.95.24.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit ["The computer fell asleep"] 06:25 -!- likemick1 [n=mickj@cpe-24-26-128-135.columbus.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:47 -!- PedersenMJ [n=marvin@mail.icelus.biz] has joined #webgui 06:47 * PedersenMJ waves. 06:48 < PedersenMJ> I've got an idea for something fairly large to plugin to webgui, but don't know if this would be a bad one. I've got a squid proxy at work, and am thinking that writing up a plugin for webgui which can write that config file might be a good thing. 07:10 -!- PedersenMJ [n=marvin@mail.icelus.biz] has quit ["[BX] Leggo my Eggo!"] 10:03 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] --- Log closed Sat Dec 16 10:19:12 2006 --- Log opened Sun Dec 17 20:18:16 2006 20:18 -!- xdanger [i=xdanger@i.should.be.in.a.mentalhouse.net] has joined #webgui 20:18 -!- Irssi: #webgui: Total of 9 nicks [2 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 7 normal] 20:18 -!- Irssi: Join to #webgui was synced in 2 secs --- Day changed Mon Dec 18 2006 00:09 -!- Radix__ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit ["Windows doesn't have users, it has hostages."] 00:14 -!- Radix__ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui 00:55 -!- Hinrik [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has left #webgui ["Leaving"] 07:15 -!- snapcount [n=snapcoun@224.248.95.24.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui 08:17 -!- mode/#webgui [+o snapcount] by ChanServ 08:17 -!- mode/#webgui [-o snapcount] by snapcount 09:31 -!- snapcount [n=snapcoun@224.248.95.24.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit ["The computer fell asleep"] 10:50 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] 15:09 -!- Radix__ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit ["Windows doesn't have users, it has hostages."] 15:14 -!- Radix__ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui 15:29 -!- Jiggie2 is now known as JIggie 18:02 -!- Radix [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui 18:17 -!- Radix [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 22:01 -!- ckotil [n=newtrino@snare.grnoc.iu.edu] has joined #webgui 22:02 < ckotil> i cant install the wre. i run sh build.sh as root. 22:02 < ckotil> Stop in /usr/data/wrebuild/source/utils/lftp-3.3.4. 22:02 < ckotil> WRE ERROR: lftp make did not complete successfully. 22:02 < ckotil> fails at lftp 23:36 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #webgui 23:36 -!- mode/#webgui [+v MrHairgrease] by ChanServ --- Day changed Tue Dec 19 2006 00:00 -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat048.mxim.com] has joined #webgui 00:00 -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ 00:00 <+perlDreamer> Hey, all 00:00 <+perlDreamer> I'm fixing WebGUI bugs today. 00:01 <+perlDreamer> I'm working on a Wiki bug in particular right now, and am stuck using an old browser here at work. 00:01 <+perlDreamer> Is anyone willing to do a little testing for me? 00:01 <+perlDreamer> You would need to have a SVN copy of wG running. 00:09 < ckotil> im running 7.3.1 00:10 <+perlDreamer> That would work, but having a copy of 7.3.2 would be better. 00:10 < ckotil> and have the wiki on the front page 00:10 <@preaction-m> perlDreamer: let me update SVN, restart wG, and see what's up 00:10 < ckotil> http://newt.grnoc.iu.edu/webgui 00:10 <+perlDreamer> ckotil: You okay doing manual patches? 00:10 < ckotil> sure/ 00:11 < ckotil> ive done them in the past. just haev to go in order. 00:11 < ckotil> in teh past (before i knew about upgrade.pm --doit 00:11 <+perlDreamer> The bug I'm working on has to do with Wiki page history. So first, please create some wiki page and then make 3 consecutive edits to it. 00:11 <+perlDreamer> this upgrade will be _much_ more manual than that. This is text editor work 00:12 < ckotil> o 00:12 <@preaction-m> perlDreamer: run an svn diff? 00:12 < ckotil> never done it. 00:12 < ckotil> sorry 00:12 <+perlDreamer> svn diff would work as long as I'm diffing against 7.3.1 00:13 <+perlDreamer> preaction-m: this might be better to do with you since you're also a wG hacker. You got time? 00:13 <@preaction-m> you should be able to pass a -r to diff, iirc 00:13 <@preaction-m> that's the thing, i've got an emergency install, if this person gets my login working 00:13 <@preaction-m> might have a few minutes 00:13 < ckotil> in that case. im heading home. good luck 00:13 <+perlDreamer> thanks for the offer, ckotil 00:14 <+perlDreamer> Doug, try this: 00:14 <+perlDreamer> Go into lib/WebGUI/Asset/WikiPage.pm 00:14 <+perlDreamer> jump to line 316 00:15 <+perlDreamer> change all selfs into revisions so that they refer to revisions of the page rather than the current page. 00:15 <+perlDreamer> i.e. date => $date->epochToHuman($revision->get("revisionDate")) 00:15 <@preaction-m> k, give me a moment 00:16 <+perlDreamer> I'm like 99.995% positive this is right, but I really don't like checking in untested code 00:16 <+perlDreamer> due to hard experience 00:16 <@preaction-m> you don't have a web-facing dev server? 00:17 <+perlDreamer> Oh, I have a dev server, but a really old browser that doesn't work well with Ajax or YUI 00:17 <+perlDreamer> Mozilla 1.4 00:17 <@preaction-m> web-facing, so I could see it 00:17 <+perlDreamer> oh, no 00:17 <+perlDreamer> not here at $dayJob 00:17 <+perlDreamer> During the day I design chips for cell phone batteries 00:18 <+perlDreamer> During the night I become perlDreamer, hack of wG tests, bugs and documentation 00:18 <@preaction-m> i've been asking JT to get one... demo only works for latest release. i'd like a "test" that would use latest SVN, updated at the click of a button 00:18 <@preaction-m> he keeps telling me it's pointless 00:18 <@preaction-m> maybe i'll install a reverse proxy and use a semi-dormant computer i have for it 00:18 <+perlDreamer> It would require a lot of manual intervention. You'd want to lock it while 1 dev is using it. 00:19 <+perlDreamer> otherwise I could reset it while you're trying to use it and vice versa 00:19 <@preaction-m> it would just update the source, using Apache2::Reload so it shouldn't mess things up (unless someone goes all ape-shit on it) 00:19 <@preaction-m> but i suppose I could make it lockable, give certain users passwords, etc... 00:20 <@preaction-m> another thing on my list after better Error handling and a full backup/recovery suite... 00:20 -!- Radix|- [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui 00:20 <+perlDreamer> and documenting the Calendar and Event Assets? :) 00:20 <@preaction-m> pfft. low on the list. make them use the source :p 00:21 <@preaction-m> but i do need to do some rewriting to the API 00:24 <@preaction-m> altered, testing 00:24 <+perlDreamer> Just create a Wiki page, make 2-3 page edits, then look at the page history. 00:25 <+perlDreamer> In the original bug, all icons should have URLs that point to the same revision (current) 00:25 <+perlDreamer> If the bug is fixed,all URLs will be different. 00:25 <+perlDreamer> Dates will be affected the same way (with bug, all same (current), w/o fix, different and correct) 00:27 <@preaction-m> looks like i had a failed upgrade... must fix 00:29 <+perlDreamer> brb 00:33 <+perlDreamer> back 00:33 <@preaction-m> um... where can I add a wikipage? i think things have gotten messed up a little bit 00:34 <+perlDreamer> You add wikipages on the search interface 00:34 <@preaction-m> not seeing a link there 00:34 <@preaction-m> i'm upgrading to 7.3.2 00:39 <@preaction-m> and for some reason Apache2::Reload isn't working appropriately 00:40 <@preaction-m> your fix works 00:44 <+perlDreamer> sweet! 00:44 <+perlDreamer> Thanks, Doug 00:44 <@preaction-m> no problem 01:36 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has left #webgui [] 01:43 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 01:43 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 01:46 -!- perlm [n=chatzill@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #webgui 01:47 < perlm> WebGUI's search passed the XSS "> attack 01:47 < perlm> bravo 01:54 -!- perlm [n=chatzill@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 1.5.0.8/0000000000]"] 02:07 -!- perlm [n=chatzill@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #webgui 02:18 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 02:46 -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat048.mxim.com] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] 05:34 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #webgui [] 06:44 -!- perlm [n=chatzill@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 1.5.0.8/0000000000]"] 06:52 < Radix-wrk> Hmm.. how do you import a package into webgui these days? I want to import the phpbb skin, but can't figure out where to do so 06:54 < Radix-wrk> And while I'm asking questions.. how do you create a new page in the webgui wiki? 06:54 < Radix-wrk> the community wiki I mean 06:57 -!- davo [n=david@cable200-116-198-253.epm.net.co] has joined #webgui 06:57 < davo> Radix r u there? 06:58 < davo> Jesse? 07:00 < davo> i just read your reply to my post ("How to offer free blogs to users?") 07:00 < davo> thanks for answer 07:01 < davo> i want to talk you about ideas in order to build some perl code to achive this goal... 07:03 -!- davo is now known as vcb 07:06 < vcb> my name is David.. by the way... 07:20 < Radix-wrk> hiya 07:20 < vcb> hi 07:21 < vcb> thanks for post 07:21 < Radix-wrk> I'm no expert when it comes to using the API - but I've scratched the surface of it a bit, so got a feel for how powerful it is :) 07:22 < vcb> did you write any code for webgui yet? 07:23 < Radix-wrk> nothing in webgui no, just a small script to create users and set them up that we use in the office here. 07:23 < vcb> i see.. 07:24 < Radix-wrk> You can do prettymuch anything with the WebGUI API if you put your mind to it - and it's pretty well documented (webguidev.com) 07:24 < vcb> i was thinking about your suggest... 07:25 < Radix-wrk> I'd try it manually to start with.. add a user, add a group, make the user belong to the group, then add a blog page, and set permissions for the page so that members of that group have edit permissions 07:25 < vcb> cool 07:26 < Radix-wrk> Once you're happy with the process - you could look at automating it a bit using the API 07:26 < vcb> what about the performance handling many groups (one for each user)? i hope to host about 50,000 users 07:26 < Radix-wrk> maybe when the user signs up they can click on a button which sets them up with their own blog page (and creates the group, page and permissions automatically) 07:27 < Radix-wrk> now that's something I've no idea on really 07:28 < vcb> you think webgui can handle several groups? 07:28 < Radix-wrk> We have about 4000 users here, but they don't have edit privileges - I'm sure the edit side of things will add more load than a browsing user 07:28 < Radix-wrk> All depends what kind of server you have too :) 07:29 < Radix-wrk> you can cluster mysql servers for example.. and if you're using the wre you'll get big performance boost from the modproxy setup 07:29 < vcb> mm.. by the way.. it's better to use WRE over manually install? 07:30 < Radix-wrk> the WRE is the recommended way to install webgui 07:30 < vcb> even if i have a dedicated proxy in front of webgui host? 07:31 < Radix-wrk> it has everything you need built in, it's optimised and far easier to set up than using the webgui source 07:31 < Radix-wrk> that said.. if you have it set up already, and you're confident with apache/mysql tweaking - you'll probably do better on your own :) 07:32 < vcb> jeje.. ok 07:32 < Radix-wrk> the only thing I've ever found is that sometimes the perl modules that ship with the WRE are better tested than the ones you get with distros 07:32 < vcb> yes WRE should be more stable 07:33 < Radix-wrk> I had a wierd nav bug that bugged me for ages before I found out it was a bug in some perl module I was using 07:33 < vcb> but i always prefer to be a tester 07:33 < vcb> what module? 07:33 < vcb> which one> 07:33 < Radix-wrk> I don't know 07:33 < vcb> ;) 07:34 < Radix-wrk> I ditched debian and switched to the WRE around that time :) 07:35 < vcb> I'm looking forward to learn how API works... 07:38 < Radix-wrk> you know perl I hope? :) 07:41 < Radix-wrk> for my script I used the importUser.pl script that came with webgui as the base.. just rewrote it to accept some parameters and created the user accounts that way. You'd need to use a different example, but maybe there's something in the sbin that could give you a few pointers. 07:41 < vcb> yes.. love perl 07:42 < Radix-wrk> cool 07:42 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 07:42 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 07:42 < Radix-wrk> You'll have a ball then. I had to learn perl as I went ;) 07:43 < vcb> i see.. 07:45 < vcb> do you think there is a chance of hearing some ideas from core developers about this feature? 07:46 < Radix-wrk> You can always talk to PB directly about it sure. That's where the PB support contract comes in handy - you can bounce things off them and ask for help if you get stuck (or run into a problem) 07:47 < vcb> i see 07:47 < Radix-wrk> preaction on here works for PB (though he's a new recruit, so is still learning himself in some ways), and occasionally other developers jump on here too 07:50 < Radix-wrk> http://www.plainblack.com/downloads/builds/7.3.1-beta/api/ - take a look at the API 08:01 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:15 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] 15:17 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 15:17 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 15:42 -!- Radix|- [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit ["Windows doesn't have users, it has hostages."] 15:43 -!- Radix__ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:43 -!- Radix__ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui 15:48 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 16:27 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@host1.procolix.nl] has joined #webgui 16:27 -!- mode/#webgui [+v MrHairgrease] by ChanServ 16:37 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 16:37 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 16:57 -!- crythia1 [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has joined #webgui 16:57 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythia1] by ChanServ 16:59 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:11 -!- fdillon [n=fdillon@66-190-54-175.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #WebGUI 18:11 < fdillon> hey Martin, are you around? 18:11 <+MrHairgrease> yeah 18:12 < fdillon> sweet 18:12 < fdillon> I have a question for you 18:12 <+MrHairgrease> shoot 18:12 < fdillon> give me a minute 18:12 < fdillon> distractions and stuff 18:12 <+MrHairgrease> ok 18:13 < fdillon> do you know anything about the WRE for 6.2.11? 18:13 <+MrHairgrease> no 18:13 < fdillon> alright then 18:13 < fdillon> that's my question 18:14 <+MrHairgrease> I tried to compile the wre for gentoo last weekend 18:14 <+MrHairgrease> it failed 18:14 <+MrHairgrease> but my guess is 18:14 <+MrHairgrease> that it's a problem of the getoo install 18:14 <+MrHairgrease> never used the wre before 19:06 -!- fdillon [n=fdillon@66-190-54-175.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [] 19:48 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@host1.procolix.nl] has left #webgui [] 19:55 -!- davo2 [n=david@cable200-116-198-253.epm.net.co] has joined #webgui 19:57 -!- vcb [n=david@cable200-116-198-253.epm.net.co] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:34 -!- davo2 [n=david@cable200-116-198-253.epm.net.co] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:36 -!- vcb [n=david@200.58.205.236] has joined #webgui 22:50 -!- camidin [n=Camilo@200.58.205.236] has joined #webgui 22:57 < camidin> hello! how to mix collaboration system properties with a data for asset (how to allow comments to each entry of data form). 23:40 < vcb> maybe creating a forum dynamicly, using the dataform post ID as the collaboration system url? --- Day changed Wed Dec 20 2006 00:20 < vcb> is there a way to create content using a macro? for example: ^newContent(Forum, title, /home/aforum, templateid) ?? 00:34 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 00:34 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 01:01 < camidin> thanks vcb.. working on your ideas 01:46 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:03 -!- vcb [n=david@200.58.205.236] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 02:20 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 02:27 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 02:27 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 02:48 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:27 -!- camidin [n=Camilo@200.58.205.236] has left #webgui [] 05:13 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 05:13 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 07:22 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #webgui [] 08:46 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 08:46 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 08:58 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 09:59 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] 14:35 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 14:35 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 16:29 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:36 < ckotil> id like to be able to xfer assets from one gui installation to another. 16:37 < ckotil> WebGUI* 17:04 < ckotil> is ther a find/relpace function? 17:09 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 17:09 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 17:31 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:59 -!- JIggie [n=none@63-239-138-22.dia.static.qwest.net] has quit ["Ŧ ËŨĮüŪ§îöņX ŧ Info~[v10B.3.3]~ Released~[March 01 2006]~ Channel~[#Excurs"] 22:15 < ckotil> is there a known bug with http proxy that prevents rewritten links from being followed properly? they dont seem to retain the page layout. they just go off on there own. so i lose my template styling 22:28 < ckotil> seems to be in 7.2.1 22:28 < ckotil> guess i must upgrade 22:42 <@preaction-m> ckotil: I thought I fixed that 22:45 < ckotil> yeah in 7.2.3 22:45 < ckotil> im good now thanks 23:09 < ckotil> 7.2.2* --- Day changed Thu Dec 21 2006 03:33 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 03:33 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 04:55 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:35 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 05:35 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 05:57 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:16 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 12:16 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 15:39 < ckotil> preaction-m: http proxy's hide from navigation doesnt do squat. 15:39 < ckotil> Id like for it not to be hidden. 16:44 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:24 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 17:24 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 17:46 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:20 <+crythia1> yawn 18:21 <+crythia1> hee 18:21 <+crythia1> someone needs to fix the wiki 18:22 <+crythia1> preaction preaction-m buzz buzz buzz 20:23 <@preaction-m> fix the wiki how? 20:23 <+crythia1> heh 20:23 <+crythia1> it's fixed, now 20:23 <@preaction-m> and odon't mention the Calendar stuff that fell out of scope 20:23 <@preaction-m> thank ckotil 20:23 <+crythia1> it used to say "An internationalization label...." 20:23 <@preaction-m> oh, that crap 20:24 <+crythia1> hee 20:24 <+crythia1> I solved the encryption thing and he didn't like it. 20:24 <@preaction-m> is it PB policy to work devs until they collapse? drake just did :p 20:25 <+crythia1> drake worked a developer or collapsed? 20:25 <@preaction-m> encryption thing? oh.. tikititiktitititi 20:25 <@preaction-m> collapsed 20:25 <+crythia1> bummer. 20:25 <@preaction-m> c'est la vie, frank's going apeshit right now 20:25 <+crythia1> oh? 20:26 <+crythia1> and.. "la vee" 20:26 <@preaction-m> three projects reaching deadline, plus normal operations 20:26 <@preaction-m> and the end-of-year blitz to get people upgraded to 7.x 20:26 <@preaction-m> (because they just HAD to wait until the last minute) 20:27 <@preaction-m> should've told Sparton to frell off... but whatevz 20:27 <@preaction-m> uh... i mean... hi! 20:27 * preaction-m hides 20:28 -!- preaction-m changed the topic of #webgui to: WebGUI (stable 7.2.3 | beta 7.3.2) | WRE (0.7.2) | Use the Wiki: http://plainblack.com/support/community-wiki | Questions? Ask and wait patiently | Watch for migrant dork herds 20:30 <+crythia1> once again, bug fixes in beta. GRUMBLE! 20:30 <+crythia1> I'm sick of this. 20:30 <+crythia1> I don't care if the next one is stable, I'm tempted to just stop. 20:32 <@preaction-m> the huh now? 20:32 <@preaction-m> i'll be the first to apologize, i haven't been able to get the "bugs" out of the calendar, because i've been on other projects 20:33 <+crythia1> it doesn't do the general populace any good to release bugfixes as part of a beta release 20:33 <@preaction-m> hell, i haven't been able to do any bugfixes, it's all "Do this soap masquerade CGI script" or "Do this alumni project" or "do this instead of bugfixen" 20:34 <+crythia1> Plainblack might as well just link to the nightly build as a "release" and go on with life. 20:34 <@preaction-m> imho, they should stop trying to release every week, unless there's a bugfix. and we should branch for each minor version (and also make a branch for the next major version, so I can toy with breaking API) 20:35 <@preaction-m> or just make a branch for me. WebGUI-doug 20:35 <+crythia1> the main thing that irritates me is that bug fixes, including oh, I don't know... PHISHING ATTACK bug fixes should maybe make it into a STABLE release. 20:36 <@preaction-m> that we had long discussion about, it might've had to break API 20:36 <@preaction-m> imho it wasn't ba bug if you set up apache to filter based on referer 20:36 * crythia1 shrugs 20:37 <@preaction-m> (of course, that does make an extra step from direct-linking to uploads) 20:37 <+crythia1> not my problem. "This fixes all these issues, but don't put it in production..." 20:37 <@preaction-m> some of our devs don't backport fixes correctly 20:37 <@preaction-m> when we branch, at least 20:37 <@preaction-m> currently there is no branch, so no backporting 20:37 <+crythia1> again, backport isn't a thang. 20:38 <@preaction-m> but if we did branch, we'd always have a stable release, and all bugfixen would make it into a stable release 20:38 <+crythia1> *gasp* 20:39 <+crythia1> and I said in the dev list I don't even care if you make a for-vendor release. 20:39 <+crythia1> er. for-client 20:39 <+crythia1> doesn't make me no nevermind. 20:39 <@preaction-m> when? i need to restart spectre on plainblack.com because it's gunked up again... 20:39 <+crythia1> chad? 20:40 <+crythia1> erm. I mean spectre... 20:40 <@preaction-m> i'm not familiar with that acronym 20:40 <+crythia1> as in ... hanging... 20:41 <@preaction-m> funny thing is JT making a talk about it at Madison.pm, should I go heckle him about the bugs? rofl 20:42 <+crythia1> stoopid search 20:42 < ckotil> chad here 20:42 <+crythia1> heh 20:42 < ckotil> doh! 20:43 <@preaction-m> yyou know what, screw this. i'm setting up an hourly cronjob to restart spectre on frozen... 20:43 < ckotil> luckily i only heard that a handful of times back during those electiions 20:43 < ckotil> i setup a script to restart it 24hrs 20:43 < ckotil> cron + script 20:43 <+crythia1> search is broken 20:43 < ckotil> in what version? 20:43 <+crythia1> current 20:44 <+crythia1> plainblack.com 20:44 <+crythia1> http://www.plainblack.com/webgui/dev/discuss?func=search 20:44 <+crythia1> I put in *my* username 20:44 <+crythia1> why would I see *every* post? 20:45 <+crythia1> even if the post isn't checking username for the search, it does check content. 20:45 <+crythia1> I guarantee I won't show up in 7.3.2 is Released 20:47 <+crythia1> preaction: http://www.plainblack.com/webgui/dev/discuss/svn-branched-for-7.2 20:50 <@preaction-m> i've been pondering a new upgrade system, using diffs and pluggable modules (so one part of the upgrade can fail and decide if the rest of the upgrade should continue) 20:50 <@preaction-m> would also fix the problem of upgrade "steps", as the diffs would be applied per-version 20:51 <+crythia1> IMO, there should be no reason that any upgrade path can't handle the steps. 20:52 <@preaction-m> like the 7.2 step because of a bugfix in the trash function? 20:52 <+crythia1> "For those of you concerned about bug fixes, I'll give you this reassurance at least. No new R&D (or releases) will be done to WebGUI core by Plain Black staff until all the bugs on the bug board are cleared up. The only exception to this rule is for client funded features because they deserve to get their features without waiting for them. In this way there should be far more bugfix releases than normal releases. In addition, this will be the policy going f 20:54 <@preaction-m> we have only been working on client-funded features, though I don't know about the wiki 20:56 <@preaction-m> i'd pipe up, but the thread is old. backporting fixes is as easy as `svn diff > backport.patch; cd Old_WebGUI; patch -p0 < /path/to/backport.patch" 20:56 <+crythia1> mhmm.. 20:57 <@preaction-m> give me some more time to get stable in this environment, I'm making plans 20:59 <+crythia1> In the market for a laptop? http://www.costcentral.com/proddetail/HP_Compaq_Business_Notebook_nx6325/RB544UTABA/K36949/extended/ 21:00 <@preaction-m> nope, JT bought me a MacBook Pro, and gets pissed when I tell him I can't compile the WRE on it. so i've been tying to get a linux kernel to work apporpriately (i always lose at least one necessary piece of hardware, no matter what version kernel) 21:02 <@preaction-m> if it's not wireless internet, it's sound. those seem to be the two features i can't get to cooperate together 21:07 <@preaction-m> ... it's been two hours since i started on the boards... breaktime! 21:18 < ckotil> heres a security question for you guys. Is it ok for me to keep both public and private (group access controlled) files in the same folder asset? 21:18 < ckotil> or should i setup a private folder to contain them 21:21 <@preaction-m> it should be fine, if it isn't fine, that's a bug 21:32 < ckotil> kthx 21:32 < ckotil> i set them up in their own folders just for good practice 21:51 < ckotil> phpbbforum template is busted in 7.2.3 21:52 < ckotil> sonuva bitch. i was gonna wow my coworkers with that. 21:52 < ckotil> says invalid asset where addtopic would be. :/ 21:57 < ckotil> and where'd the wiki go? 21:57 < ckotil> oh its in the beta. 21:57 < ckotil> shit 21:58 < ckotil> i just cant win today 22:10 <@preaction-m> amen to that... 22:13 < ckotil> anyone have more than 15megs in their cache? 22:13 <@preaction-m> i've seen gigs of cache before 22:14 < ckotil> killer. 22:14 <@preaction-m> pb.com has hundreds of MBs 22:14 < ckotil> then im not worried abotu scalability at all 22:14 < ckotil> thats great news 22:14 <@preaction-m> 20 minutes to just do an rm -rf on the WebGUICache 22:14 < ckotil> hehe 22:15 <@preaction-m> i'd worry more about processor / disk speed first 22:15 <@preaction-m> the /. effect (how pretentious..) 22:16 < ckotil> word. 22:17 < ckotil> damnit....did the clipboard happen to break lately? 22:17 < ckotil> between 7.2.1 and 7.2.3 ? 22:17 <@preaction-m> not that i'm aware of, did you make sure it was committed before you tried to copy/paste it? 22:17 < ckotil> sorry. wasnt on the right version tag 22:30 < ckotil> im unable to add posts to my forums/message boards. 22:52 < ckotil> im dealing with a bug here. 22:52 < ckotil> i have a collaboration system/forum i setup weeks ago. 22:52 < ckotil> it still works fine 22:52 < ckotil> but i cant create a new one 22:53 < ckotil> ive even tried copy & pastre 22:56 < ckotil> i almost think its stemming from the fact that i rigged an rss asset before one shipped with webgui. by using a code snipet and navigation asset 23:01 < ckotil> FUCK 23:46 < ckotil> i really hope i didnt screw something up permanantly. 23:46 <@preaction-m> does your rigged RSS asset screw with things in the core? 23:46 < ckotil> like i used to back in the good ole days 23:47 < ckotil> no not at all 23:47 < ckotil> it was jsut a snippet to output the xml 23:47 <@preaction-m> the new RSSfromParent thingy should do what you need it to 23:47 < ckotil> and then a navigatiotn asset to cycle through the threads 23:47 <@preaction-m> are you trying to create a CS with your RSS thingy? 23:47 < ckotil> im sure the rssfrom parent will be fine. its just that right now i can no longer create new threads 23:48 < ckotil> im not concerned with the rss right now 23:48 < ckotil> im just listing that as apossibility for my problem 23:48 <@preaction-m> i'm just trying to verify that it's not your code 23:48 < ckotil> which is when i create a collab system or message board. i cant create new posts 23:48 < ckotil> i didnt touch the code 23:48 <@preaction-m> so we can get to proper diagnosis 23:48 * ckotil nods 23:48 <@preaction-m> did you commit the CS before you tried to make a post? 23:48 < ckotil> ;] 23:49 <@preaction-m> that changed recently 23:49 < ckotil> if thats the case. ill be damned 23:49 < ckotil> ill give it a shot 23:49 <@preaction-m> something about packages containing CSs and Threads, and weird stuff 23:49 < ckotil> id hug you right now if i could 23:49 <@preaction-m> it was a horrible bug, it's probably still a bug, but forcing the CS to be committed seems to fix it 23:50 < ckotil> thanks. 23:50 <@preaction-m> better idea: tell me i'm right about this: http://www.plainblack.com/etcetera/webgui-bashing-at-glaven_org 23:51 <@preaction-m> this person is a donorware employee, so i totally understand all their grievances with WebGUI and JT 23:51 <@preaction-m> but, being honest, Donorware is a bit of a punishment around here. I do it because I'm polite and I seem to handle it better than everyone else 23:52 <@preaction-m> they're about to get a bill from PB for about 5 extra support hours ($1,000) so I don't know how much they'll like me after that 23:52 <@preaction-m> plus whatever i do tonight, probably 3-5 more hours 23:53 < ckotil> this guy is an idiot. 23:53 < ckotil> i like #23 . about multiple sites 23:53 <@preaction-m> i wantd to say that, but i'm staff, so i have to be polite 23:54 < ckotil> i run multiple sites on multiple domains 23:54 < ckotil> i pulled some shit out of my ass. but hey, it works very well 23:54 < ckotil> mod_rewrite 23:54 <@preaction-m> and i'm not up on the ancient versions, so it Might have been a problem back then, but it's definately not now 23:54 < ckotil> #27 wg's config files are a mess.. uhm hello. thats unix 23:54 < ckotil> yeah i joined around 6.9 23:54 <@preaction-m> they're JSON now, they were PlainConfig which was INI-style 23:54 < ckotil> just as 7 was about to come out 23:55 < ckotil> his issues with search have been fixed. 23:55 <@preaction-m> JSON is messier i believe, but they're data structures, which is not INI-friendly 23:55 < ckotil> im gonna reply to the thread 23:56 <@preaction-m> and i didn't add anything about JT, but JT can be an ass sometimes (he's a geek, social graces aren't required learning) 23:56 < ckotil> heh 23:57 < ckotil> I like JT. he's always been straight with me 23:57 <@preaction-m> that's it, he's straight and to the point, not polite, they're mutually exclusive 23:58 <@preaction-m> were i more fragile, i could say he's an ass, but he's also in charge, i'll argue my case with him and sometimes i can even win 23:58 <@preaction-m> if i stand up for myself and my position. he's alpha geek 23:59 <@preaction-m> "The adminstrative overhead is too high.." Donorware has so much crap going on in their system it's unbelievable... Now that they're migrating to the WRE, it's all going to be great --- Day changed Fri Dec 22 2006 00:00 <@preaction-m> i should get back to work though, if Frank finds out i took an hour to write that, he'll KILL ME 00:01 < ckotil> hehe 00:01 < ckotil> thanks for the help. im out of here. i wrote a little something to that thread 00:11 <@preaction-m> thanks, have fun 00:13 < xdanger> hehe, the point 1... I run webgui on 4.1 wich comes with debian =D 00:13 < xdanger> and if that's not stable, then mysql isn't ever stable... 00:13 < xdanger> wait.. it isn't =DD 00:13 < xdanger> I hate mysql 00:13 < xdanger> postgresql for teh win! 00:16 <@preaction-m> i hate postgresql, SQLite FTW! 00:16 <@preaction-m> oi could never figure out PG's configuration 00:23 < xdanger> well.. i liked sqlite until I had to use it for a reporting project.. 00:25 < xdanger> if you do int/int=int so 5/2=3, you have to cast(x as fload)/y to get the right solution 00:25 < xdanger> PG is hard to configure, I give you that.. put that's small price to pay for a real DB 00:26 < xdanger> we played with the idea of converting webgui to postgresql, but we have better things to do 00:34 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #webgui 00:34 -!- mode/#webgui [+v MrHairgrease] by ChanServ 01:45 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has left #webgui [] --- Log closed Fri Dec 22 02:00:03 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I get to celebrate by installing WinXP over a WinME install at my mom's house --- Day changed Tue Dec 26 2006 03:44 < Radix__> You need one of those thinkgeek t's - "No, I will not fix your computer." I have one and wear it to all family gatherings. 04:30 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 04:30 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 05:41 -!- Radix__ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:41 -!- Radix__ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui 05:49 -!- perlbot [n=perlbot@lv.pm.org] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:49 -!- perlbot [n=perlbot@lv.pm.org] has joined #webgui 05:55 -!- perlbot [n=perlbot@lv.pm.org] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:56 -!- perlbot [n=perlbot@lv.pm.org] has joined #webgui 06:50 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 07:39 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 07:39 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 08:02 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:39 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 15:39 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 17:12 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@paulkamerbeek.demon.nl] has joined #webgui 17:12 -!- mode/#webgui [+v MrHairgrease] by ChanServ 17:22 -!- Radix__ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:23 -!- Radix__ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui 18:44 <+MrHairgrease> anybody out there? 18:45 <+MrHairgrease> where's the webgui.log supposed to be in teh wre? 18:45 <+crythias> check the .confs 18:45 <+crythias> but it's probably in logs dir 18:45 <+crythias> /data/wre/apache/logs or some such 18:50 <+MrHairgrease> yeah but what if it's not in the conf? 18:50 <+crythias> modperl.conf or modproxy.conf? 18:51 <+MrHairgrease> oh 18:51 <+MrHairgrease> of course 18:51 <+MrHairgrease> i'm being a dumbass 18:51 <+MrHairgrease> =) 18:51 <+MrHairgrease> thanks 21:16 -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@65.91.20.142] has joined #webgui 21:17 < cap10morgan> Hey, I'm trying to upgrade 6.8.10 to 7.1.3 and I'm getting this error: "Cannot open config file: at ../../lib/WebGUI/Config.pm line 348, line 225." Like there's a blank config file key in the %configs hash in upgrade.pl. Any idea what could be causing this? 21:17 < cap10morgan> I thought it filled the keys of that hash w/ every file that ends in .conf that's not log.conf or spectre.conf? 21:19 <+crythias> can't open config file is generally any path problem. 21:19 <+crythias> start with where you're running upgrade.pl 21:19 <+crythias> don't put your .conf there, but ... 21:19 < cap10morgan> i'm running it in webgui_root/sbin 21:19 <+MrHairgrease> did you set the configfile in the apache.conf? 21:19 <+crythias> if you're not in WebGUI/sbin, the relative path might... 21:19 <+MrHairgrease> in the vhost taht is 21:20 < cap10morgan> sudo perl upgrade.pl --doit --skipBackup 21:20 < cap10morgan> it's a bunch of different configfiles 21:20 < cap10morgan> for lots of sites 21:20 <+crythias> don't sudo 21:20 <+MrHairgrease> you don't have to sudo 21:20 <+crythias> run as root 21:21 <+MrHairgrease> oh 21:21 <+MrHairgrease> one thing 21:21 <+MrHairgrease> iirc 21:21 <+MrHairgrease> you first have to ugrade to 6.99 21:22 <+MrHairgrease> and then upgrade further to 7.1.3 21:22 <+crythias> no 21:22 <+crythias> 6.8.10-> 7.1.3 is ok 21:22 <+MrHairgrease> ok 21:23 < cap10morgan> crythias: sudo is root 21:23 <+crythias> uh. so su 21:23 < cap10morgan> i don't have root's password, that's why we use sudo :) 21:24 < cap10morgan> i've done an upgrade before w/ sudo, and it worked fine (as well as everything else i do w/ sudo) 21:24 < cap10morgan> and even this script is processing some of the config files fine 21:24 < cap10morgan> but then it gets to this error and bails 21:25 <+crythias> and also check your preload.perl 21:25 <+MrHairgrease> could it be that some conf file is not correct? 21:25 < cap10morgan> checked preload.perl, webgui root is fine 21:25 <+MrHairgrease> preload.perl is only relevant for running apache 21:25 <+MrHairgrease> not for upgrading 21:26 <+crythias> also make sure the conf is in JSON format 21:26 <+MrHairgrease> indeed 21:26 <+MrHairgrease> the upgrade is supposed to handle that though 21:27 <+MrHairgrease> testEenvironments.pl works right? 21:28 < cap10morgan> yep, passes w/ flying colors 21:28 < cap10morgan> also claims i'm using 7.1.3-stable 21:28 < cap10morgan> :) 21:29 <+crythias> um. 21:29 <+crythias> oops 21:29 < cap10morgan> my ultimate goal is to upgrade from 6.6.5 to latest 7.x 21:29 < cap10morgan> so i'm going 6.6.5 -> 6.8.10 -> 7.1.3 -> 7.2.3 21:29 < cap10morgan> so i should be at 6.8.10 now 21:29 <+crythias> you've messed up a step, then. 21:30 < cap10morgan> ok, i'm not sure what that could be, as i'm using upgrade.pl and reading the gotchas and everything 21:30 <+crythias> if your site says 7.1.3, you're at 7.1.3 so you have to back to 6.8.10 and try again 21:31 <+MrHairgrease> sorry guys 21:31 <+MrHairgrease> gotta go 21:31 <+MrHairgrease> good luck 21:31 -!- MrHairgrease is now known as MrAfkGrease 21:31 < cap10morgan> ok, but won't that leave me in the same boat? 21:31 <+crythias> dunno. 21:32 <+crythias> there has to be other reasons to fail.. 21:32 < cap10morgan> ok, guess it can't hurt to try 22:05 * cap10morgan is almost back to 6.6.5 starting point 22:06 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #webgui [] 23:28 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 23:28 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythia1] by ChanServ 23:29 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #webgui [] 23:44 -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui 23:44 -!- mode/#webgui [+o rizen] by ChanServ --- Day changed Wed Dec 27 2006 01:34 -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [] 02:10 -!- MrAfkGrease [n=martin@paulkamerbeek.demon.nl] has left #webgui [] 02:23 -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui 02:24 -!- mode/#webgui [+o rizen] by ChanServ 02:32 < Radix__> Hi JT 03:55 -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-209-62.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has joined #webgui 03:55 -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ 04:27 <@preaction-m> to this day I cannot say the phrase "Eddies in the space-time continuum" without laughing. 04:28 <+perlDreamer> is that where the teacher sent him for putting the tack on his chair? 04:30 <@preaction-m> never knew that "one of these days" was an eyewitness account 04:40 <@rizen> i 04:41 <@rizen> sorry, i should have said AFK before 04:42 <@preaction-m> it's expected, this network hosts an IdleRPG instance (or two) ;) 04:42 <@rizen> so how's it going doug? 04:43 <@preaction-m> not too bad, trying to pick up some slack on the DoS Alumni project 04:43 <@rizen> ah. how was your hanukkah-mas 04:43 <@rizen> and...you're supposed to be taking this week off 04:44 <+perlDreamer> all PB people are workaholics. Y'all should know tha 04:44 <@rizen> no not exactly 04:44 <@preaction-m> standard family affair, new clothes, some stuff for the house, a ticket because someone decided that a single yellow line in the opposite lane is "passing in a no-passing zone" and browbeat a dispatcher into getting an officer to write me up for it 04:44 <@rizen> most of us are 04:44 <@rizen> almost all in fact 04:44 <@preaction-m> except Vrby 04:45 <@preaction-m> or is steve the whipping boy this week? ;) 04:45 <@rizen> all you want for xmas is a ticket? 04:45 <@rizen> drake is my current whipping boy 04:46 <@rizen> for leaving for xmas break 2 days early without telling anyone, and without finishing his project. 04:46 <@rizen> i should say, without telling anyone in advance 04:46 <@preaction-m> "want"? no, that's what I got :p I get a nice court date on the 15th of january, which btw I'll need to miss work for 04:46 <@rizen> no problem man 04:46 <@rizen> just send an email to the staff list 04:46 <@preaction-m> i'm not paying $200 for passing someone legally on one of the worst roads in Fond du Lac county 04:47 <@preaction-m> will do, when we reconvene 04:47 <@rizen> yeah, i'd fight it too 04:47 <@preaction-m> if I fail, at least they can take my $200 and turn the blind corner I passed (techincally legally) on into a No Passing Zone 04:48 <@rizen> i can't wait until we all get together next week 04:48 <@rizen> i want everyone to throw around their ideas for where we go next 04:49 <+perlDreamer> Guadalajara? 04:49 <@preaction-m> indeed. i've been kicking a few things about, some definately stupid, some unworkably awesome 04:49 <@rizen> last year we did it, and roy came up with the worst idea of the year 04:49 <@rizen> so it's going to be a great time i'm sure 04:50 <@preaction-m> plus I get to meet these foreigners. these southerners... these infidels who want to do horrible things to a crucial part of my body... 04:51 <@rizen> true enough 04:51 <@rizen> i have a few totally awesome yet probably unworkable ideas as well 04:52 <@rizen> how you been colin? 04:52 <@rizen> happy festivus? 04:53 <@preaction-m> Merry Chrismahannukwanzika! 04:53 <+perlDreamer> It's very wet here 04:53 <+perlDreamer> But Christmas was good. 04:53 <+perlDreamer> Got to give the kids remote control IR wooden trains 04:53 <+perlDreamer> Haven't seen them in two days 04:53 <+perlDreamer> I've been eating lots of chocolate from an unnamed company in Wisconsin 04:55 <+perlDreamer> and reading 200 hundred pages of Kristi's edits to the help 04:55 <@rizen> hehe 04:55 <+perlDreamer> Fixed 2 bugs in the Rich Editor 04:55 <@preaction-m> Just another thing that I had no idea was even possible when I was a kid, but now that I'm too old to appreciate, complain about. 04:55 <@rizen> glad to hear that you're eating the chocolate, but that was meant to be an apology to kathy 04:55 <@rizen> for having you work on webgui all the time 04:55 <@rizen> =_ 04:55 <@rizen> just kidding 04:56 <+perlDreamer> I gave her a TV-B-Gone for Christmas 04:56 <+perlDreamer> she asked if it came in a model for laptops 04:56 <@rizen> huh? 04:56 <@rizen> what is that? 04:56 <+perlDreamer> http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/electronic/755e/ 04:59 <@rizen> interesting 04:59 <@rizen> so how quickly does it work on your tv? 04:59 <+perlDreamer> 3 seconds. 04:59 <@rizen> nice 04:59 <+perlDreamer> I'm guessing that the laptop thing could be done. 04:59 <@rizen> i don't think so 04:59 <@rizen> i think it would take an emp 04:59 <+perlDreamer> Just hook up an IR receiver to the lid closing sensor and initiate a suspend 05:00 <@rizen> yeah, but that requires an external device 05:00 <+perlDreamer> hmmm..... 05:00 <+perlDreamer> a secure port with authentication over 802.11b 05:00 <+perlDreamer> and a daemon listening to the port of course 05:01 <@rizen> also requires the user to have that running on the box 05:01 <@rizen> the beauty of tv-b-gone is no mod to the tv 05:01 <@rizen> it "just works" 05:01 <@rizen> the only way to do that to a laptop is emp 05:03 <+perlDreamer> yeah, and it would turn off the TV while you're at it, too. 05:03 <+perlDreamer> Maybe we could submit that as a Super TV-B-Gone for next year's April Fools 05:04 <@rizen> indeed 05:04 <@rizen> i'll get kristi to write up some marketing schpeel 05:04 <@rizen> and steve to craft a device picture 05:05 <@rizen> and maybe some packaging 05:06 <+perlDreamer> They've added a form for new product submissions. Just tag it as "April Fools" and they should get it. 05:08 <+perlDreamer> Did you have a nice Christmas? 05:08 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 05:08 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 05:08 <@rizen> i guess...too much family time 05:08 <@rizen> but overall it was good 05:09 <+perlDreamer> new toys? 05:09 <@rizen> i bought myself a new gaming rig today 05:09 <@rizen> i give gifts, but i don't really get them 05:09 <@rizen> partly because i already have everything i want 05:09 <@preaction-m> what Do you get the man who has everything? 05:09 <@rizen> and partly because people know i'm pretty picky 05:10 <@rizen> my new gaming rig is amazing 05:10 <+perlDreamer> preaction-m: gift certificates/cash 05:10 <@rizen> intel quad core extreme processor 05:10 <@rizen> 4 gig ram 05:10 <@rizen> 2 - Nvidia 8800 video cards hooked via sli 05:10 <@rizen> each with 768mb of ram 05:10 <@preaction-m> ... i don't have 4 gig of ram in my entire network... combined... 05:11 <+perlDreamer> At work, I use a 300 MHz UltraSparc 05:11 <+perlDreamer> My new cellphone has more processing power than that. 05:11 <@rizen> yeah, this machine is pretty much top of the line 05:11 <@rizen> it's 5 times more powerful than the machine i use for work 05:11 <@rizen> at least 5 times 05:12 <@rizen> oh...and to make sure it really screams 05:12 <+perlDreamer> water cooling? 05:12 <@rizen> it has 4 3g/s sata2 drives striped at raid 0 05:12 <@rizen> yup, liquid cooled 05:13 <@rizen> i haven't bought a non-work computer in almost 6 years 05:13 <@rizen> so i made sure that i got the top of the line 05:13 <@preaction-m> i am officially demasculated... i'm leaving to go scrape up what's left of my nerdiness... i think i just coughed it into the other room... 05:13 <@rizen> so it will last me for another 6 years 05:14 <+perlDreamer> XP or advanced copy of Vista? 05:14 <@rizen> you shouldn't feel bad..the machine that i bought you for work is amazing for a laptop 05:14 <@rizen> xp...i'm not putting vista on it ever 05:14 <@rizen> did you read what they're doing with vista 05:14 <@rizen> ?? 05:14 <+perlDreamer> yes 05:14 <@rizen> screw that 05:14 <+perlDreamer> but some people make strange choices 05:14 <+perlDreamer> to play games 05:15 <@rizen> i just bought the best hardware on the market 05:15 <@rizen> only to have it run half as fast 05:15 <@rizen> and not as good 05:15 <@preaction-m> what's this about vista? i haven't listened since they made me buy XP about 3 times 05:15 <@rizen> because ms decided to create a drm system 05:15 <@preaction-m> ah yes, trustless computing 05:15 <@rizen> http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt 05:16 <+perlDreamer> I've seen that post mentioned, but haven't read it yet. 05:16 <@rizen> you should read it 05:16 <@rizen> i've been researching this new rig for about 3 months now 05:16 <@rizen> and i was waiting for vista to buy it 05:16 <@rizen> cuz i wanted the best of the best 05:17 <@rizen> but when i read that, i decided to buy it today 05:17 <@rizen> cuz i wanted to make sure i got a copy of xp with it 05:17 <+perlDreamer> XP will still be around for while, even after Vista is released 05:17 <@preaction-m> wtf, i'm two paragraphs in and this was considered a Good Idea (tm)? 05:17 <@rizen> yeah i know they've said it 05:17 <@rizen> but if i'm not waiting for vista 05:17 <@rizen> there was no reason to wait 05:18 <@rizen> plus the company i ordered it through still was running their xmas sale 05:18 <@rizen> which gave an extra 5% off and a free liquid cooling system 05:18 <+perlDreamer> nice 05:19 <@rizen> yeah doug...now you know why i'm pissed about it 05:19 <@rizen> granted that it doesn't take me much to get pissed 05:19 <@rizen> right gerald? 05:20 <+perlDreamer> It is a good idea, it's just a question of whom it is good for. 05:20 <@preaction-m> this is impossible, it's unworkable, inconceivable, in---something... adjectives fail me for how... 05:20 <+perlDreamer> it sucks? 05:20 <@rizen> indeed 05:21 <@preaction-m> no, it can't be done. no business will buy hardware that only works in Vista, and hardware manufacturers aren't going to waste time writing drivers for every different kernel in the wild 05:22 <+perlDreamer> I don't care much for Bill Gates, but I have to give him one credit. He knows how to use Microsoft to make money. 05:22 <+perlDreamer> Some people will buy into this. 05:22 <@rizen> doug: frank just told me to tell you that he won't be online until after 10am tomorrow...got stuck with inlaws 05:22 <@rizen> and most people won't know about it until it's too late 05:23 <+perlDreamer> right. Most people are ignorant. 05:23 <@preaction-m> "You'll never get another virus again!" 05:24 <+perlDreamer> It's the 2x4 solution to dirty windows. 05:24 -!- perlDreamer is now known as perlDreamer_afk 05:24 <+perlDreamer_afk> be back soon 05:33 < Radix__> Rizen: sounds like a mighty fine gaming rig you have there - but the big question is.. what games do you plan to play on it? :) 05:33 <@rizen> it was built for only one game 05:34 <@rizen> Supreme Commander 05:34 <@rizen> http://www.supremecommander.com/ 05:34 <@rizen> However, I'm sure it will work quite fine for the other games that I play. 05:34 <@rizen> Which include 4X games like Sword of the Stars 05:35 <@rizen> Tactical shooters like Swat 4 05:35 <@rizen> and anything else that hits me 05:36 < Radix__> hehe 05:36 <@rizen> do you game? 05:36 < Radix__> yup 05:36 <@rizen> and if so, what kinds of games? 05:37 < Radix__> not as much as I used to 05:37 < Radix__> had a mini-lan with a couple of mates yesterday even.. we played a few bouts of rise of nations: rise of legends 05:37 <@rizen> For me gaming allows me to not think about WebGUI for a while...so it actually makes my code and designs better to BSU (blow shit up). 05:37 < Radix__> company of heroes is good too 05:38 < Radix__> both rts style games 05:38 <@rizen> rise of nations is awesome 05:38 <@rizen> haven't played company of heros 05:38 < Radix__> I have a nice dell laptop I bought especially for gaming - very nice for lans also :) 05:38 < Radix__> one of the dell xps 1710 laptops with all the fruit 05:38 <@rizen> nice 05:39 <@rizen> i thought about the laptop route, but i only drag my rig to a lan party once per year (if that) 05:39 <@rizen> so i figured i could do better with a big box 05:39 <@rizen> most of the time i play with friends over the net 05:39 < Radix__> more upgradeable that way too 05:40 <@rizen> indeed 05:40 <@rizen> or in my case...easier to replace parts 05:40 <@rizen> if they go bad 05:40 <@rizen> since it's pretty much topped out 05:40 < Radix__> I have a desktop box, but upgrading it was going to cost a lot as I needed a new everything 05:40 <@rizen> yeah...me too 05:40 < Radix__> we can get laptops as a salary sacrifice here in australia so it's tax exempt 05:41 <@rizen> actually..the funny thing is that even though my current gaming box is better than most people's boxes 05:41 <@rizen> it's still not good enough for supreme commander 05:41 <@rizen> so i had to upgrade 05:41 < Radix__> so I picked up a $5k laptop and it cost me half that in reality :) 05:41 <@rizen> nice 05:41 <@rizen> that's really cool 05:41 < Radix__> and my desktop machine is now my file server :) 05:41 < Radix__> yeah, it's pretty cool.. pay it off over the year too 05:42 <@rizen> my sister is in college and needs a new computer, so i'm giving her my old gaming rig 05:42 < Radix__> cool 05:42 <@rizen> it's a 2.1 ghz p4 with a gig of ram 05:43 <@rizen> more than enough for writing papers, checking email, and browsing the web 05:43 <@rizen> which is all she does 05:43 < Radix__> yeah, that's about what my old desktop is like.. p2.4 (which overclocks nicely to 3Ghz) with a gig of ram 05:43 < Radix__> and a decent radeon vid card (well.. for it's time anyway) 05:44 <@rizen> yeah...me too 05:44 <@rizen> mine was a geforce 4 05:44 <@rizen> which was top of the line when i bought it 05:44 <@rizen> 6 years ago 05:44 <@rizen> =) 05:44 < Radix__> that's the thing with this industry.. everything is changing so rapidly 05:46 < Radix__> keeps things interesting for us, but also makes computers such a bad investment 05:47 <@rizen> do you think that an asset code generator would be useful? 05:47 < Radix__> asset code generator? how would that work? 05:47 <@rizen> basically, you create a database table (or tables if you have collateral) 05:48 <@rizen> and then you run the code generator against it 05:48 <@rizen> and it creates the various getters, setters 05:48 <@rizen> www_ methods 05:48 <@rizen> definition method 05:48 <@rizen> and the install/uninstall subroutines 05:48 < Radix__> hmm.. kinda like a customised sql form then 05:49 < Radix__> interesting idea 05:49 <@rizen> i guess so...but the idea is to replace the Asset and or Wobject templates 05:49 <@rizen> or rather "skeletons" 05:49 <@rizen> it would get you up and running faster with working code 05:50 < Radix__> Is that what most people create assets to do then? just retrieve/set data from a table? 05:50 <@rizen> that's the basic part of it 05:50 < Radix__> I've never needed to create an asset myself 05:51 <@rizen> but then they could add their own special functions 05:51 <@rizen> so it starts out with these basic things 05:51 <@rizen> like, if you were going to create an asset that interoperates with google maps 05:51 <@rizen> it would have a table for the asset itself 05:52 <@rizen> and then it would probably have a collateral table with locations on the map to point out 05:52 <@rizen> you could run this code generator, which would give you the base asset 05:52 < Radix__> yeah, I see what you mean - makes sense I guess 05:52 <@rizen> and then as a developer you'd have to write the functions that actually deal with the google integration 05:52 <@rizen> ruby on rails does this 05:53 <@rizen> which is part of why people love it 05:53 < Radix__> I just used an article and added the javascript in the head portion :) 05:53 < Radix__> when I did a google maps object that is :) 05:53 <@rizen> but what gave me the idea to do it, is that i'm writing an asset right now, that has 10 collateral tables 05:53 < Radix__> that's quite a few! :) 05:53 <@rizen> i didn't even write an asset for google maps when i did it 05:54 <@rizen> i just pasted the code into a snippet 05:58 < Radix__> snippets rock :) 05:59 <@rizen> Steve (our graphics guy) calls them "a designer's best friend" 05:59 < Radix__> Yeah, they're so useful 06:00 < Radix__> I used some to create a handful of variables for versions of our software - then I can change the snippets and all of the links for our demos, release notes, patches, etc automatically change when they do. 06:01 < Radix__> got half a dozen locations on our website where we need to put the latest version number - so this saves me heaps of time and much less chance of error :) 06:03 <@rizen> that's pretty cool...but for small info like that it would probably be more efficient to put that stuff into your config file 06:03 <@rizen> and then write a Config macro 06:03 <@rizen> that returns values from the config file 06:03 <@rizen> either way though...good way to go 06:03 <@rizen> better than hardcoding 06:04 < Radix__> not half as easy to change though 06:04 <@rizen> editing the config file? 06:04 <@rizen> you mean cuz you have to ssh to the server? 06:04 < Radix__> not for end users - no 06:04 <@rizen> ah 06:04 <@rizen> yes 06:04 <@rizen> if end users have to change it 06:04 <@rizen> then yes that's better 06:04 < Radix__> well any one of us could be doing a product release 06:05 < Radix__> it's under version control too, so before we push out the changes we can test it 06:05 <@rizen> true enough 06:06 <@rizen> another good reason for using a snippet 06:08 <+crythias> ick 06:09 <@rizen> ick? 06:09 <+crythias> reading the link... 06:09 <+crythias> Once a weakness is found in a particular driver or device, that driver will have its signature revoked by Microsoft, which means that it will cease to function 06:10 -!- perlDreamer_afk is now known as perlDreamer 06:10 <@rizen> yeah 06:10 <@rizen> rediculous 06:10 <+perlDreamer> Oh, the heady days when I didn't have to stick my fingers into someone's mouth 06:10 <@rizen> i hate kids 06:10 <@rizen> i was around some this weekend 06:10 <@rizen> and they got me sick 06:10 <@rizen> little disease carriers 06:10 <+perlDreamer> germ factories 06:10 < Radix__> lol 06:42 < Radix__> free legal copy of blind write anyone? http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/blindwrite/ 06:43 <@rizen> sweet 06:43 <@rizen> there was a program a long time ago called virtualcd 06:44 <@rizen> i didn't know something like this existed anymore 06:45 <@preaction-m> there's daemontools as well, which supports almost every kind of cd image i've been able to throw at it 06:45 <@rizen> i thought daemontools was only for linux 06:46 <@preaction-m> nope, i didn't know there was a linux version 06:46 < Radix__> daemon tools rocks 06:46 < Radix__> http://www.daemon-tools.cc/ 06:46 -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-209-62.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] 06:46 <@preaction-m> different daemontools, the *nix one is for managing services apparently 06:47 <@rizen> oh 06:47 <@rizen> hehe 06:47 <@rizen> sorry, yeah i didn't know about the windows thingy 06:47 <@rizen> i don't know much about windows 06:47 <@preaction-m> i think i kept having that problem the (seemingly more frequent) times I have to rebuild my WinXP system 06:48 <@preaction-m> i would like a daemontools-workalike for *nix though, mount -o loop just works for ISO images, and I believe there's a kernel driver for bin/cue 06:52 <@rizen> yeah, mac can do it 06:52 <@rizen> it can mount an image for any filesystem it knows about 06:52 <@rizen> i love that it's just built into the os 06:53 <@preaction-m> indeed, so much built into the OS 06:53 <@preaction-m> the stuff that should be, that third-party tools have always been hackishly trying to implement in windows 06:54 <@rizen> so now that you've been using it for a while 06:55 <@rizen> how's yer mac treating you? 06:55 <@preaction-m> aside from the difficulties with the WRE, swimmingly 06:56 <@rizen> if i had an intel mac i'd make a binary wre for it 06:56 <@preaction-m> actually did a side-by-side comparison with ubuntu edgy (installed w/ Bootcamp), and OSX gui is just easier to use 06:56 <@rizen> oh yeah...way easier 06:56 <@rizen> i still prefer the unix of linux 06:56 <@rizen> the command shell 06:56 <@rizen> but, the mac command shell isn't all that bad 06:56 <@rizen> and you get used to it 06:56 <@preaction-m> still some keyboard shortcuts to get used to, but it's been this long and they aren't holding me back any way 06:57 <@preaction-m> OSX's Terminal is comparable to Gnome's gterm emulator 06:57 <@preaction-m> just no tabs 06:57 <@rizen> yeah..sorry i should have been more specific 06:57 <@rizen> it's not the terminal app i don't like 06:57 <@rizen> but rather the filesystem layout is hard to get used to 06:58 <@rizen> i can't find anything when i'm looking for it 06:58 <@rizen> config files and the like 06:58 <@preaction-m> it's a little weird that they didn't work with the grain and worked against it 06:59 <@preaction-m> but i suppose it's weirder that certain things use the unix heirarchy, and other things use apple's additions 07:01 <@preaction-m> i was thinking that maybe updating the sources in the WRE would fix the compile problems, or something, but I haven't been able to test any theories 07:01 <@preaction-m> that, and installing ubuntu fails miserably. either I don't get sound, or I don't get AirPort (both of which are showstoppers) 07:01 <@preaction-m> still working on that one as well 07:02 <@rizen> that's one of the areas that linux really sux 07:02 <@rizen> wifi drivers 07:03 <@preaction-m> well, it works on the 2.17 kernel that comes standard w/ Edgy, but sound doesn't 07:03 <@preaction-m> and my custom 2.18 and 2.19 kernels both lose airport but gain sound 07:03 <@preaction-m> i'm assum 07:03 <@preaction-m> ing it's just 07:03 <@preaction-m> a 07:03 <@preaction-m> wtf 07:03 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #webgui [] 07:04 <@preaction-m> a configuration error, but i've been putting off trying to play around in favor of being productive 07:10 <@preaction-m> otherwise, if it weren't for those major issues, all the minor issues are taken care of. mouse-button emulation, backlight adjustement (after lengthy tinkering), some Fn keys worked out of the box, but I hear there are troubles with the DVI port (mostly because of X) 07:11 <@rizen> eventually you'll get over it and won't want/need ubuntu on your laptop anyway =) 07:12 <@preaction-m> i already kinda don't, it's taking up half the hard drive i could be using to store my music, but the first solution i find for the WRE is the one I use 07:12 <@preaction-m> also, i was surprised, wireless configuration has come a long way (if your drivers work) 07:12 <@rizen> talk to roy 07:12 <@rizen> he has a working wre on mac 07:13 <@rizen> intel mac that is 07:13 <@preaction-m> he told me to talk to drake, and the linguistic acrobatics that requires has made me reticent 07:14 <@rizen> i wonder why he said to do that 07:14 <@rizen> roy has a working wre 07:14 <@preaction-m> i've gotten as far as installing Perl modules, and I believe I remember an e-mail detailing that I had to use cpan and install them all manually, since the compiling didn't work 07:14 <@preaction-m> i think drake's the one that solved roy's problems, or maybe he was just busy that day 07:14 <@rizen> tell roy to fuck off and just tar.gz his wre for you 07:14 <@preaction-m> the BNT stuff perhaps 07:15 <@preaction-m> oh, dur, we can totally do that when everyone's together, at 54Mbps 07:15 <@rizen> hehe 07:15 <@preaction-m> until then, i can limp along with my ssh/home network nightmare 07:15 <@rizen> or you can hook up to my ethernet switch and go even faster 07:16 <@preaction-m> since i need it in 30 seconds not 3 minutes ;) 07:16 <@preaction-m> then we can hopefully restore the HFS+ partition to its full 100gig glory 07:18 <@rizen> i don't know if you can do that or not 07:18 <@rizen> i haven't played with the partitioner in bootcamp 07:18 <@preaction-m> bootcamp let me resize down, i can only hope it'll let me resize up 07:18 <@rizen> the regular disk utility isn't capable of that 07:19 <@preaction-m> either that, or i'll burn the WRE and reinstall OSX, since I think it's bootcamp's BIOS emulation that's been causing problems with my sound card automagically muting my headphones when they get plugged in 07:20 <@preaction-m> would that reflash the EFI though? sigh... 07:20 <@rizen> no idea 07:21 <@rizen> but i do know that reinstalling osx is fairly painless and really speedy 07:22 <@preaction-m> yeah, only true problems i've had with OS installs has been Windows, except back in the linux 2.7 days 07:24 <@preaction-m> (probably more my fault than Linux's) 07:26 <@rizen> i'm signing off 07:26 <@rizen> ttyl 07:26 -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:27 <@preaction-m> bah, you and your signing off. 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21:48 < cap10morgan> oh, actually, it's not getting the $class variable set on the call to the open method of WebGUI::Session 21:50 < cap10morgan> which is super weird 21:58 < cap10morgan> so apparently perl is not putting the class name as the first argument 21:58 < cap10morgan> that makes no sense 22:00 <@rizen> i don't actually have time to help you, but i can hint that the error you're seeing is likely because some constructor somewhere isn't getting a session object passed into it as the first parameter. all objects in webgui should receive $session as the first parameter. 22:01 < cap10morgan> rizen: does this make sense: in upgrade-6.8.9-6.8.10.pl, WebGUI::Session->open is called as WebGUI::Session::open instead. 22:01 < cap10morgan> would that cause it? and/or is that a bug I should report? 22:01 <@rizen> yes, that would cause it 22:01 <@rizen> we are no longer maintaing those old releases 22:01 <@rizen> no more patches 22:02 <@rizen> so no, there's no reason to report it 22:02 < cap10morgan> this is the script that came w/ 7.1.3 22:02 <@rizen> but do post something to the forums 22:02 <@rizen> oh really? 22:02 < cap10morgan> and people need to be able to upgrade 22:02 <@rizen> nevermind then 22:02 <@rizen> report that 22:02 < cap10morgan> ok, i'll report 22:02 < cap10morgan> thanks 22:02 <@rizen> i didn't think that came with it 22:02 < cap10morgan> oh, well, i'm copying it over an old install to upgrade, so maybe it didn't 22:03 < cap10morgan> but it seems like the new versions should come w/ a new script to overwrite that one. cuz lots of us are scrambling to upgrade before pre-7 EOL! :) 22:03 <@rizen> it can't come with that script 22:03 <@rizen> because that script isn't compatible with 7.0 api's 22:03 <@rizen> that's why the 7.0 stuff doesn't come with the old scripts 22:05 < cap10morgan> but, it isn't used unless someone's upgrading from an old version. which lots of us still need to do. i'm confused why that couldn't be fixed. 22:05 <@rizen> i don't have time to explain it 22:05 <@rizen> just trust me 22:06 <@rizen> it can't be included in 7.x releases 22:06 <@rizen> fix it for yourself 22:06 <@rizen> and post a note to the upgrades forum 22:06 <@rizen> so other people can find it 22:07 -!- rizen is now known as rizen_afk 22:12 < cap10morgan> that makes no sense. put a new copy of the script in the tarball, overwrite, fix, voila. but whatever, i'll take it to the forums. 22:31 -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@65.91.20.142] has quit [Client Quit] 23:08 -!- rizen_afk [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [] 23:08 -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui 23:08 -!- mode/#webgui [+o rizen] by ChanServ 23:17 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 23:17 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 23:28 -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] --- Day changed Thu Dec 28 2006 00:33 -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui 00:33 -!- mode/#webgui [+o rizen] by ChanServ 00:40 -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [] 00:42 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #webgui [] 04:44 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 04:44 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 05:04 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 06:41 -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-209-62.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has joined #webgui 06:41 -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ 07:02 -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-209-62.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 16:44 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 16:44 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 16:45 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 21:19 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 21:19 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 21:42 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:55 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #webgui 22:55 -!- mode/#webgui [+v MrHairgrease] by ChanServ --- Day changed Fri Dec 29 2006 01:28 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has left #webgui [] 02:29 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 02:29 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 06:04 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #webgui [] 06:30 -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui 06:30 -!- mode/#webgui [+o rizen] by ChanServ 06:38 <@rizen> doug, you here? 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00:38 < cap10morgan> ah, yes, yes it does 00:38 < cap10morgan> :) 00:38 -!- cap10morgan [n=wmorgan@65.91.20.142] has quit [Client Quit] 01:55 < xdanger> preaction-m: was just reading backlog, and have a hint for you... in mac os x, try iTerm, it's a better terminal... 01:55 < xdanger> wiht tabs, n stuff 02:45 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 02:45 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 05:50 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #webgui [] 14:01 -!- arminius [n=arminius@p54AEE3F0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #webgui 14:02 < arminius> hello @ all :-) 14:03 < Radix__> hello there 14:04 < arminius> just looking around to learn about creating my own styles in WebGUI-7.x.x 14:24 < Radix__> Ahh 14:25 < Radix__> Snippets are way cool for storing all the things associated with the styles (ie. javascript, images, css, etc) 14:26 < arminius> Iīm still using 5.5.8 on my production sites 14:26 < Radix__> as for the styles themselves, everyone does it differently.. I mocked mine up in my favourite gui web editor then copied the lot into webgui and replaced the bits with the appropriate webgui template variables 14:28 < arminius> I tried a few times to upgrade to the 6.x.x Versions, but didnīt succeed 14:30 < arminius> actually Iīm trying to find out how to get a multiple domain server up and running 14:31 < arminius> the wre doesnīt work for me, because my OS is FreeBSD 14:31 < arminius> tried it on a testing machine with debian, worked very well 14:32 < arminius> now I try to get it up and running on FreeBSD manually 14:33 < arminius> and then newly create the production sites on it 14:35 < Radix__> cant compile the WRE for freebsd? 14:36 < arminius> no, it crashes while compiling the tools already 14:36 < Radix__> Hmm.. 14:36 < Radix__> Well I have a multi-domain setup here fine with webgui 14:37 < Radix__> my home pc is still using the older 6.8.10 version, been meaning to upgrade it, but it's a non-WRE setup and multi-domain, so always put it on the backburner to be honest 14:37 < Radix__> at work we're using 7.0.8 for our production site 14:38 < arminius> Iīm using jails on my FreeBSD root-server fpor security reasons 14:38 < Radix__> I just have a /data/domains/xxx.xxx/www for each domain 14:39 < Radix__> a config file for each domain 14:39 < Radix__> and each site config in apache points to the appropriate www dir 14:40 < Radix__> can't think of anything else that was required 14:40 < arminius> I managed to get a multi-domain setup up and runnig in an extra jail, but then filde to mke the styles 14:40 < arminius> failed 14:41 < arminius> th versioning system gets me baffled 14:41 < Radix__> it's pretty cool once you get the hang of it 14:42 < Radix__> in version 7 - most things you do get added to your current version tag 14:42 < Radix__> if you don't have one, it creates one for you 14:42 < arminius> tried to copy existing styles, but after a while the copies disappeared 14:42 < Radix__> once you've done it all, you commit it and it gets rolled out onto the site 14:43 < Radix__> You need to have spectre running in order for it to work correctly though - so make sure you have spectre started first 14:43 < Radix__> You can also review your changes before you commit them, roll back to previous versions and do all sorts of cool stuff 14:44 * arminius nods 14:44 < arminius> thatīs what I read about it 14:46 < arminius> still looking for the point where to start, to get my exisitng sites into the new installation of webgui 14:47 < Radix__> that's where the PB support comes in handy I must say 14:47 < Radix__> the Webgui Done Right manual has some help for setting that up too 14:48 < Radix__> and no, I'm not a PB employee ;) 14:48 < arminius> well, I prefer to get to know the system well enough to do that myself 14:48 < arminius> how could I solve problems otherwise? 14:48 < Radix__> Sure, me too, but I learnt most of what I know from reading everyone elses support posts in the PB Support Forum 14:52 < arminius> I read a lot there, but am still missing my starting point 14:53 < arminius> I assume first I need ti get to know how to set up the styles for the sites, then I can turn them over step by step 14:54 < Radix__> shouldn't be much different from 5.8.8 14:54 < Radix__> I think I remember having to change a few of the variables for some reason 14:55 < Radix__> was annoyed it wasn't done automatically at the time 14:56 < arminius> I think I need to start from scratch and create every site again in 7.x.x 14:58 < arminius> I tried to copy the existing standard webgui style from within asset manager 15:01 < arminius> copied the complete folder and then renamed it, but after a while it disappeared, and I donīt know why 15:33 < Radix__> it would've created a version tag for the copy. If you didn't commit it, next time when you logged in then you would be given no default version tag, so you wouldn't see those changes 15:33 < Radix__> you only see the changes that were made in your current version tag 15:34 < arminius> so I need to commit each change to see it on the site, right? 15:35 < Radix__> generally you commit the changes at the end.. when all the changes you have made are done. 15:36 < Radix__> have a play with demo.plainblack.com sometime perhaps 15:36 < Radix__> most actions get saved to the current version tag - though there's a couple that don't (delete's being one of them) 15:37 < arminius> my intention was to have copy of a working style and then make changes to it and see what happens 15:37 < Radix__> yup, in that case as long as you're looking at it in the same session then you'd see the changes instantly. 15:38 < Radix__> only if you wanted to log out and test it with different accounts, etc do you run into issues with version tags 15:41 < arminius> But why did the copied Folder disappear? 15:57 < arminius> and where does webgui look for styles to make them appear in the dropdownlist for pages? 16:03 < arminius> there are sytyle-definitions in Root/ImportNode/WebGUI 7 Style 1 Root/ImportNode/WebGUI 7 Style 2 Root/ImportNode/WebGUI 7 Style 3 16:04 < arminius> so I created a new folder in Root/ImportNode called MyStyle01 and then copied the contents of WebGUI 7 Style 3 into it 16:07 < arminius> then committed the changes, but when I try to edit the "Home" page, I canīt select my newly created style 16:13 < arminius> I just tried to select the newly created style in "settings" but the folder already disappeared again 17:25 < Radix__> the styles can be stored anywhere - as long as they're the right template class they'll be found 17:32 < arminius> ok, got that so far, restarting spectre brought my folder back and I changed the class so that the new style can be found 17:33 < arminius> but now thereīs a referencing problem, I guess 17:35 < arminius> in the original "Style 03" theres a reference to "link href="^/;style3/css03.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" 17:36 < arminius> but I canīt find a folder "style3" 17:37 < arminius> or how do I reference to my /Root/ImportNode/MyStyle01 folder to get the right stylesheet loaded 18:18 < arminius> as far as I figured out now, itīs just a matter of giving the right "url" to the file when saving it, correct me if Iīm wrong 19:10 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 19:10 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 20:05 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #webgui [] 20:13 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #webgui 20:13 -!- mode/#webgui [+v MrHairgrease] by ChanServ 20:13 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has left #webgui [] 21:10 < arminius> thanks for the help, c ya 21:10 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 21:10 -!- arminius [n=arminius@p54AEE3F0.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #webgui [] 21:10 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ --- Day changed Sun Dec 31 2006 07:03 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 16:28 < Radix__> Happy New Year folks! :) 22:11 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 22:11 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 22:14 <+crythias> anyone here? 22:15 <+crythias> preaction, preaction-m, ckotil, pedersenMJ, perlbot, Radix__, vidar_ xdanger --- Log closed Mon Jan 01 00:00:04 2007