--- Log opened Wed Nov 01 00:00:15 2006 02:55 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Radix@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 06:07 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 06:07 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythia1] by ChanServ 09:01 -!- perlbot [n=perlbot@lv.pm.org] has quit [K-lined] 09:05 -!- preaction_ is now known as preaction 09:15 -!- perlbot [n=perlbot@lv.pm.org] has joined #webgui 11:13 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:53 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 11:53 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythia1] by ChanServ 11:54 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Radix@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Windows doesn't have users. 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Could not reproduce the issue on my test system. 04:07 < preaction> lots more setup for this box... mail server, temporary HTTP server until I get another one (which will also be running FreeBSD) 04:07 < preaction> did you copy the /extras directory? 04:07 < Radix-wrk> Figured out it must be some wierd perl library version somewhere that was different from what PB were using 04:07 < preaction> i've noticed a lot of the docs on pb.com are outdated 04:08 < preaction> perhaps i should use my powers to change that situation 04:08 < Radix-wrk> so now I use the WRE 04:08 < Radix-wrk> on Centos 4.3 (RHEL4) 04:08 < preaction> if they didn't give me 2.5 weeks left to do the entire EC rewrite (and i've spent a week and a half just doing Functional Spec and Technical Spec... when can I start CODING?) 04:09 < preaction> the debian WRE i installed for a client the other day, worked right away, very nicely 04:09 < preaction> hmm.. 04:10 < preaction> ok, i lied, i like the concept, but not for my own computers ;) 04:15 < Radix-wrk> heh 04:17 < Radix-wrk> Oooh.. functional spec and technical spec before you code - don't tell me you were actually trained as a programmer ;) 04:19 < Radix-wrk> I'm a software engineer by trade myself, and network admin, and tech support, and mr fix it, and .. (insert everything else but the kitchen sink here) 04:43 < preaction> nope, not really trained per-se. my specs used to consist of writing all the documentation beforehand (which i suppose would be considered a techspec) 04:44 < preaction> i'm quickly becoming kitchen sink. my personal home network is my training grounds for *nix network administration, and plainblack is teaching me software engineering 04:44 < preaction> and tech support... monkeys could do it ;) 04:44 < preaction> mod_perl takes damn long to compile on a pentium 90 with 32 megs of ram... 04:45 < preaction> courier-imap took about 6 hours :( 05:08 < Radix-wrk> lol 05:08 < Radix-wrk> pentium 90? omg.. that takes me back 05:09 < Radix-wrk> I first started with linux on a 386dx40 with 4mb of ram. I couldn't do kernel compiles at all on that thing.. had to get my friend with 8mb of ram to compile me a cut down kernel for my system! 06:13 < Radix-wrk> new webgui out 06:13 -!- Radix-wrk changed the topic of #webgui to: WebGUI (stable: WebGUI 7.1.3) || Need help? Ask and wait patiently (it might take awhile) 06:15 < Radix-wrk> heh.. "- Tried to clean up some HttpProxy code. Still very ugly. (need rewrite?)" 07:04 < preaction> there were three different indent styles in that damned thing... 07:25 < Radix-wrk> heh 07:57 < Radix-wrk> Hmm.. odd - if I add some text to the headers section of an article, it gets put in the headers twice 08:02 < preaction> are you viewing the article as part of a page layout? 08:02 < preaction> it's midnight, why am i still up? 08:05 < Radix-wrk> yeah 08:05 < preaction> the page layout has no headers? 08:05 < Radix-wrk> editing an article and putting the headers bit in that, when I view the whole page, I get all the right info, but the bit I put in headers comes up twice 08:05 < Radix-wrk> it's literally duplicated twice right after itself 08:06 < preaction> thats weird 08:06 < Radix-wrk> never really used the headers section much before.. always added it to our global style headers 08:06 < Radix-wrk> but useful for testing out new css/javascript styles and the like - which is what I'm doing 08:07 < Radix-wrk> using 7.0.8 still - so could've been fixed already 08:07 < Radix-wrk> I've been waiting for 7.1.x to settle down a bit before I upgrade our website here.. still too many bugfixes in it for my liking 08:08 < Radix-wrk> Anyways.. odd nevertheless 08:08 < Radix-wrk> Trying to get this working in webgui - http://www.html.it/articoli/niftycube/index.html 08:09 < preaction> wow, it's been a while since i've seen nifty corners 08:10 < Radix-wrk> Would be nice to be able to set up article styles using it. I'm still relatively new to javascript/css and the like 08:12 < Radix-wrk> I haven't sussed out the window.onload stuff yet.. which is why it doesn't work currently for me 09:06 -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: Radix-wrk 09:06 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Radix-wrk 10:22 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Radix@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Windows doesn't have users. 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I just idle.. that way you never miss much :) 17:36 < preaction> exactly 17:36 <+crythias> all that blank white space... it's like watching a bitbucket.. being. drip. filled. 17:36 < Radix_> or grass growing :) 17:36 <@snapcount> BITBUKT 17:36 < preaction> sometimes it gets rather wild in here! woo! 17:36 < Radix_> but when things do happen.. least you don't miss out ;) 17:37 <@snapcount> I have to get the bot back online 17:37 < preaction> there used to be a bot in here? 17:37 * MrHairgrease applauds roy 17:37 < preaction> perlbot is gone for some reason... i don't know why 17:37 <@snapcount> calc pomade 17:37 < Radix_> perlbot? - what did it do? 17:37 <+MrHairgrease> calc pomade 17:37 <@snapcount> that was the best one *ever* 17:37 <+MrHairgrease> that was the good stuff 17:37 <+MrHairgrease> yeah 17:38 <@snapcount> how did it go... 17:38 <@snapcount> I need some palmade 17:38 <@snapcount> I hope you mean pomade 17:38 <@snapcount> something like that 17:38 <+MrHairgrease> something like that 17:39 <+MrHairgrease> maybe i have a log somewhere laying around 17:39 <+MrHairgrease> moment 17:39 <@snapcount> thanks for fixing those bugs martin 17:39 <+MrHairgrease> i just fixed another 17:39 <@snapcount> rock on 17:39 <+MrHairgrease> also ldap related 17:39 <@snapcount> what are you trying to say =) 17:40 <@snapcount> Roy broke LDAP cough* cough* 17:40 * MrHairgrease shuts his mouth wisely 17:40 <+MrHairgrease> i dunno who broke it 17:40 <@snapcount> it was me 17:40 <+MrHairgrease> it just sucked all along =) 17:40 <+MrHairgrease> well 17:41 <+MrHairgrease> you do provide me woth income 17:41 <+MrHairgrease> in some way =) 17:41 <@snapcount> My errors are the result of writing code and not being able to check it in for 3 months 17:41 <@snapcount> then trying to merge 17:41 <+MrHairgrease> oh yeah 17:41 <+MrHairgrease> that sucks 17:41 < Radix_> yikes.. that would 17:43 <+MrHairgrease> here it is 17:43 <+MrHairgrease> WRE: pomade = give me some of that palmade I hope you mean pomade 17:43 <@snapcount> LMAO 17:43 <@snapcount> yep that's it 17:43 <+MrHairgrease> WRE: mattscode = {dangit;} i broke 6.9... beyond repair, probably. 17:43 <+MrHairgrease> WRE: urine = Did you know that all humans can urinate through their navels? 17:43 <+MrHairgrease> ok I'll stop now 17:44 < Radix_> Well.. I'll leave you guys to your pomade and bugs.. I'm off to bed. Night all :) 17:44 <@snapcount> I have to get WRE back 17:44 <@snapcount> night Radix_ 17:44 <+MrHairgrease> later 17:44 <+MrHairgrease> are you from australia or so? 17:44 < Radix_> ya.. I was the aussie at the WUC :) 17:44 <+MrHairgrease> ok 17:44 <+MrHairgrease> I remember 17:45 <+MrHairgrease> good night 17:45 < Radix_> nite 17:58 -!- MrHairgrease is now known as MrAFKGrease 18:25 -!- MrAFKGrease is now known as MrHairgrease 19:01 -!- diakopter [n=diakopte@pdpc/supporter/active/diakopter] has joined #webgui 20:16 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:18 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui 20:18 -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ 20:27 -!- diakopter [n=diakopte@pdpc/supporter/active/diakopter] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 2.0/2006101023]"] 21:40 -!- perlbot [n=perlbot@lv.pm.org] has joined #webgui 22:42 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has left #webgui [] 23:09 <@preaction> weirdest fucking bug i've ever seen. Image::Magick just FAILS for no reason. restarting apache fixed it... 23:13 <@preaction> probably something to do with me using Apache2::Reload --- Day changed Fri Nov 03 2006 00:13 <@snapcount> yep 00:13 <@snapcount> like every 10-15 code changes I have bounce apache 00:30 * crythias 's considering rubygui 00:31 <+crythias> calc marriage 00:31 <+crythias> calc crythias 00:31 <+crythias> cruduby. 00:44 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has left #webgui [] 02:27 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 02:27 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythia1] by ChanServ 02:30 <+crythia1> hm 02:31 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Radix@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 03:01 <@preaction> hm indeed 03:01 <@preaction> can someone direct me to the person who wrote the HttpProxy wobject so I may properly pummel them? 03:02 < Radix-wrk> can't you see who initially checked it in in cvs/svn? 03:03 <@preaction> the svn repo was checked in from the earlier cvs repo, and i don't know where that old cvs repo is (if it even exists still) 03:03 < Radix-wrk> ahh 03:04 < Radix-wrk> just blame jt then :) 03:04 <@preaction> he's got enough blame already ;) 03:05 < Radix-wrk> his fault for writing it all.. he gets credit and blame for the same action :) 03:05 <+crythia1> cvs @ sf.net 03:07 <@preaction> ooh, i can find the culprit 03:07 <@preaction> or i could just fix the damned thing 03:07 <+crythia1> 'cept... not there no more. 03:07 <@preaction> damnit 03:12 <+crythia1> http://pbwebgui.cvs.sourceforge.net/pbwebgui/ 03:13 <+crythia1> https://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=29894&group_id=1#connection 03:15 < Radix-wrk> http://pbwebgui.cvs.sourceforge.net/pbwebgui/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/HttpProxy/ 03:16 < Radix-wrk> written by JT initially 03:17 <@preaction> just says he migrated it 03:17 <@preaction> and it looks like it wasn't touched since away back then 03:18 < Radix-wrk> 21 months 4 weeks ago (isn't that 22 months) 03:19 <+crythia1> well ... 05:27 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Radix@203.161.68.67] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:30 -!- diakopter [n=diakopte@pdpc/supporter/active/diakopter] has joined #webgui 05:34 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Radix@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 07:27 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #webgui [] 10:52 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Radix@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Windows doesn't have users. 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I'm on Fedora Core 6 new install. Going through the list of modules required and can't get past this one. 22:53 <@preaction> yum? 22:53 < perlm> XS is where the errors start occurring and I won't touch XS code with a ten foot pole. 22:53 <@preaction> there might be a package for it 22:53 < perlm> Apache2::Request doesn't exist in the repos. 22:53 <@preaction> that's dumb 22:54 <@preaction> you're using cpan then? 22:54 <@preaction> you have the headers for apache2 right? 22:54 <@preaction> and axps? 22:54 < perlm> Yeah, using cpan. But the module has to build. Yes, axps came with the httpd-devel repo. 22:55 < perlm> ah 22:55 <@preaction> and apache2's headers 22:55 <@preaction> can you get the build-dependencies for apache2? 22:55 < perlm> headers.....yeah.....um......that would indeed be the problem. 22:55 <@preaction> i'm not familiar with yum or whatever RH is using 22:55 <@preaction> i've been debian/ubuntu forever 22:56 < perlm> the generated make file isn't finding the .h's......crap 22:56 <@preaction> edit the makefile.pl? 22:56 < perlm> running dapper? 22:56 <@preaction> dapper for now 22:56 <+crythias> :) 22:56 <@preaction> getting my FreeBSD apache server running so I can go xubuntu edgy 22:56 <+crythias> howdy 22:56 <@preaction> bonjourno 22:57 < perlm> I should fire it up and see how it compares to Core 6. Core 6 seemed like a huge jump forward for the Fedora line. 22:57 <+crythias> :) :) :) 22:57 <+crythias> read my suse thing 22:57 <+crythias> THE SECRET: 22:57 <+crythias> cp /usr/include/apache2/modules/perl/* /usr/include/apache2/ 22:57 <+crythias> just sayin' 22:58 <+crythias> http://www.plainblack.com/install/upgrade_help/how-i-got-libapreq6.08-to-install-on-suse-10.1/1#idFxOUXj8tcHQrE0KrXapduQ 22:58 <+crythias> or something. 22:59 < perlm> crythias, is that a pitch to get me to move to Suse? 22:59 <+crythias> no. 22:59 <+crythias> It should be rather agnostic. 22:59 <@preaction> he's saying if you copy the mod_perl headers to /usr/include/apache2 it might compile 23:00 < perlm> fedora calls apache2 dirs, httpd. I'm looking in /usr/include/httpd right now for the headers which *should* be there. 23:00 <+crythias> ok, close enough. 23:01 < perlm> The CVS portion of WebGUI looks really slick. But if I can treat it like a framework and developer for it....well I probably won't be able to contain my joy. 23:01 < perlm> s/developer/develop/ 23:01 <+crythias> heh. and if that were the case, ... I wouldn't be thinking of rube gui 23:01 <@preaction> you're getting the CVS from sourceforge? 23:02 <+crythias> preaction's got a point. cvs on sf.net is ancient. 23:02 < perlm> doh....CMS, not CVS....I can't type today. 23:02 <@preaction> ah 23:02 <+crythias> whew. 23:02 < perlm> and my problem is I'm missing the mod_perl headers from /usr/include/ 23:02 <+crythias> 'cause otoh, webgui doesn't support a cvs interface... 23:02 < perlm> should be an easy fix.....:) 23:03 <+crythias> libmodperl2 23:03 <@preaction> otherwise, writing wobjects is pretty easy. figuring out whether to return the data or print the data is harder :( 23:03 <@preaction> i still don't understand what return "chunked" does 23:04 <+crythias> which fedora? 23:05 <+crythias> mod_perl-devel (that's the libmodperl I was looking for) 23:05 < perlm> I haven't even looked at the API yet, but I was curious how hard it would be. Like writing a custom cookie based user authentication app that WebGUI would be able to use. 23:05 < perlm> crythias, you are fast, I was just installing mod_perl-devel in the hope it contained those libs. 23:05 <@preaction> i've heard JT wants to redo the entire auth system, that's how much he hates it 23:05 <@preaction> i haven't dived into those parts yet 23:06 < perlm> Fedora Core 6 23:06 <+crythias> 'kay, cause I just wanted to know... 23:07 < perlm> The PerlCast JT did completely sold me on WebGUI. If it works out, I'm hoping to move my entire center over to it in the next year. Heck, maybe I can start writing in Plainblack support into grant proposals :P 23:08 * crythias just nods 23:08 <+crythias> well, it's been wild. 23:08 < perlm> Watching a long XS build go is worse than watching someone roll dice that you just bet $10,000 on. 23:20 < perlm> Core 6 as apreq2 in the repos. 23:20 < perlm> s/as/has/ 23:20 <@preaction> umm... oops? 23:21 < perlm> yeah....I didn't know apreq2 was shorthand for apache2::request and apach2|request weren't in the package summary. 23:25 < perlm> Okay, I'm onto the configuration of conf files......thanks a million for the install help! 23:25 <@preaction> np --- Day changed Sun Nov 05 2006 00:02 < perlm> I'm trying to work through this http://www.plainblack.com/installing_webgui but it appears out of order. For instance, when I try to start spectre, it is obviously looking at the webgui.conf file which I was never told to alter (I created a mydomain.conf). 00:03 < perlm> n/m, I shouldn't have had a WebGUI.conf at all. 00:16 < perlm> I wonder why in the demo when I turn admin on, I get the admin console on the left, but in my new install when I turn admin on, I don't get the install console....strange. 00:16 < perlm> probably have some path messed up somewhere. 00:23 < perlm> Unless I did something wrong, the instructions need to be updated so that when the directory "uploads" is being moved into the instance directory, "extras" is included. 00:23 <@preaction> yeah, extras needs to be included 00:23 <@preaction> let me update that right away so i dont' forget 00:24 < perlm> I can't believe it is running on my home box......all I need is to get it going on 443 and I'm golden! 00:25 < perlm> This could be a whole new way of doing webdev, with a super slick pre-canned front end. 00:41 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:13 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 01:22 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 01:22 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 01:43 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:58 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #webgui 05:03 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:04 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 05:04 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 05:16 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui 05:16 -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ 05:42 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:33 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #webgui [] 16:00 -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:06 -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui 16:54 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #webgui 16:59 < perlm> I wonder if running WebGUI in a named virtual host will confuse Spectre. I have my domainA on :80 and domainB-virtual also on 80. How does Spectre get connected to the correct one? 17:24 -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:25 -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui 19:13 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 21:00 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 21:00 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ --- Day changed Mon Nov 06 2006 02:09 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Radix@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 03:24 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #webgui 03:24 < perlm> Hello everyone. 03:27 <@preaction> perlm, spectre shouldn't get confused, it uses the first entry in the SiteName configuration array 03:27 * preaction & shower and edgy install 03:31 < perlm> Yes, spectre has never been a problem. Trying to put WebGUI in an SSL enabled virtualhost is what took all my time. But now that it is working, I'm really impressed. 03:32 < perlm> The people at work tomorrow are going to flip when I show them what we'll be able to do without me writing 1 line of code. 03:35 < Radix-wrk> mornin' 03:37 <+crythias> kewl beanses 03:41 < perlm> I'm guessing people here are part of or closely aligned with Plain Black? Does anyone know if PB hosting services can assure data security to an IRB looking over our research grant? We require absolute anomynity. 03:41 < perlm> bbl, hope someone answers :) 03:42 < Radix-wrk> I found the same thing perlm - though I found here that just meant that their expectations went higher - and ended up coding templates, teaching everyone how to get the best out of webgui.. problem solving and learning javascript/html to solve problems that webgui didn't do ;) 03:42 < Radix-wrk> Only preaction and snapcount are PB employees here I think. 03:45 <+crythias> yeah. I don't rank 03:45 <+crythias> I'm just a guy 03:47 < Radix-wrk> I'm in charge of the webgui site at my company so figure if I idle here I might be able to pick up a bit of knowledge about it on the odd occasion.. or help someone with the knowledge i do have :) 03:48 < Radix-wrk> It'd be nice if we had a bigger irc community.. but we're slowly growing.. 03:49 <+crythias> yeah.. if all of us have 2 logins... why, we could be like people... oh. 03:49 <+crythias> 10 03:49 <+crythias> people 03:50 < Radix-wrk> heh 03:50 < Radix-wrk> now now crythias ;) 03:51 <@preaction> like the poor head of a boy with a pituitary disorder, my army is slowly growing larger! 03:54 < Radix-wrk> Well at least we've got two PB employees on here now.. when I first joined I was lucky to see one! 03:56 <@preaction> this is what crythias means by "doesn't rank" :p he's got a whole long interview about him on pb.com 03:59 <@preaction> hell, the reason I'M here is to learn from the users. 5 weeks working with WebGUI does not an expert make 03:59 <@preaction> drake keeps telling us about our "truck number", if JT got hit by a truck right now, the rest of plainblack would be panicking 04:00 * preaction & edgy install for real this time 04:00 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 06:39 < perlm> Anyone have any idea how much Plain Black charges for template designs? 06:44 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui 06:44 -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ 06:53 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 06:53 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui 06:54 -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ 06:54 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:54 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui 06:54 -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ 07:10 < perlm> Can someone else change a page layout to "Left Column" and see if ^RawHeadTags(); shows up? 07:10 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 07:35 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 07:36 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui 07:36 -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ 07:49 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 08:16 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui 08:16 -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ 08:59 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:40 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 09:40 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 10:02 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:29 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Radix@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Windows doesn't have users. 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Your operator is: preaction 17:24 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@d-ip-129-15-97-108.oulan-south.ou.edu] has joined #webgui 17:59 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 17:59 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui 17:59 -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ 19:12 < perlm> I just don't understand. I feel like I've really explored WebGUI from the CMS side (still checking out the API), but this appears light years ahead of commercial products like Novells. Why do I get the feeling WebGUI doesn't have very deep market penetration? 19:13 <@preaction> because it's free software backed by a company that doesn't have millions to spend on marketing, nor dozens of people to spend on development? 19:14 <@preaction> up until last month, the dev team consisted of four programmers and one designer 19:14 <@preaction> now there's six 19:14 <@preaction> programmers, i mean 19:14 <@preaction> plus the community regulars, there's 4-5 i see often 19:15 < perlm> The last place I worked at spent ~$300K on consultants getting Novell's CMS tool configured. And to this day it is a buggy unscalable POS that causes them no end of pain. 19:15 <@preaction> ... wow 19:16 < perlm> Sounds like JT needs to hiring a marketing firm. 19:16 <@preaction> i couldn't tell you the figures, but AMLA is getting two weeks of priority bugfixes to make their site completely 100% awesome, and i can guarantee it's less than 50K, probably less than 10K, hell, probably a lot less 19:16 <@preaction> we're loaded as it is :P 19:17 <@preaction> i'm on the support forums today, but otherwise roy's been pulling 60+ hour weeks, i anticipate i'll be doing the same for a couple weeks to get this EventCalendar rebuild released 19:18 <@preaction> today i get to relax, fix some bugs, chat on IRC 19:20 < perlm> loaded for work or loaded for an income stream? 19:20 < perlm> or both :D 19:20 <@preaction> work 19:20 <@preaction> income stream is none of my business, and i'm happier that way 19:21 <@preaction> my paycheque comes in, i work my little code-monkey buns off 19:23 < perlm> sounds like exciting times 19:23 <@preaction> if they'd just sign off on the durned technical specification i could get to real work 19:23 <@preaction> and tomorrow we're having a bugfix day at JT's house 19:24 <@preaction> should be good times 19:31 < perlm> man, that is how you make a living? going to the boss's house for code parties? I'm frak'n green over here. 19:33 <@preaction> likewise with the newbness here, this is my third week in my first "real" programming job 19:33 <@preaction> freelancing doesn't count when you're working full-time at walmart 19:36 < perlm> Even if they only pay you with fritos and coke, you might have one of the coolest jobs out there. 19:36 <@preaction> bah. i keep forgetting ubuntu doesn't install build-essential by default 19:37 <@preaction> i love it, except for the not understanding a damned thing part 19:37 <@preaction> i mean, i know Perl, i know CSS, etc... but WebGUI is mammoth 19:37 <@preaction> if JT was hit by a truck, the entire company would be in deep mekrob 19:37 < diakopter> nah 19:38 < perlm> yeah, I just started exploring it 4 years since I first looked at it, and it is incredibely complex 19:39 < diakopter> preaction: depends on the type of truck. 19:39 <@preaction> one of my goals is to tone down the complexity, but i doubt that will happen. 19:40 < diakopter> preaction: what bug are you currently working on? 19:40 <@preaction> AMLA had some bugs in the commerce system, which is getting overhauled for the 8.x series, but i'm fixing this stuff now 19:41 <@preaction> trying to get Apache2::Reload working so i don't have to restart apache a billion times 19:41 <@preaction> and why didn't CPAN notice that i didn't even have make installed? 19:42 < perlm> but exactly what I've been looking for. The CMS gets sites up and running with minimal design work on my part, and the API is a well structured framework. What's not to love? 19:43 <@preaction> the one thing that irks me is how the session instance is handled. it gets referenced in almost every single object 19:43 <@preaction> it's also very very large 19:43 < perlm> I wonder if I could put together a Fedora rpm for the repos. All the libs that require building are in the repos, and everything else was easily found in CPAN. 19:44 < diakopter> preaction: what's wrong with it being large? It's never duplicated? 19:44 <@preaction> perlm, i was thinking the same thing for ubuntu, but then there's the WRE 19:45 <@preaction> diakopter, which is true, it's a personal preference of mine. it seems inelegant 19:45 < perlm> WRE? That is great for people who don't know systems, but I like to *know* what's going on under the hood. 19:45 < perlm> as long s the keyword "keys" never appears in OO perl, size and speed are not issues. 19:46 <@preaction> i'm a minimalist at heart, WebGUI can't be minimalist, because the target audience are normal Joe Users 19:47 < diakopter> when's the wiki asset going to make it to svn? 19:47 <@preaction> plus, i'm not privy to the information on why certain things had to happen, so there are still things i don't understand 19:48 <@preaction> that's a durn good question 19:48 <@preaction> snapcount, roy, you got info? 19:48 <@preaction> JT took over devel on it, he might know 19:52 <@preaction> the wiki will make support so much easier, and better documentation 19:52 <@preaction> i believe our tech writer started today too, so that should help the docs 20:01 -!- diakopter [n=diakopte@pdpc/supporter/active/diakopter] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 2.0/2006101023]"] 20:09 < perlm> tech writer? You must be doing well if you can afford to hire a tech writer. 20:18 <@preaction> or we anticipate doing good in the future with the new contracts 21:17 <+crythias> :) 21:18 * crythias could have attempted tech writing, but never ft 21:22 <@preaction> i can write good docs, but i could never just write docs. i need to code 21:23 <@preaction> i'm always paranoid that people won't understand my docs, but code is code 21:34 <@preaction> anyone here know if something major changed for Template assets between 6.2 and 6.8? 21:35 < perlm> Security tabs not showing up for users in Admin group? 21:35 <+crythias> yeah, lots. try.. um.. version history 21:37 <+crythias> my faq has more info. 21:38 <+crythias> http://www.gwy2.org/fomfiles/cache/52.html 21:38 <@preaction> i mean more to the structure of the Templates table. there's apparently a problem migrating 6.2 CS templates to 7.1.3, and it has to do with something that changed from then to 6.8 21:38 <+crythias> Yeah. no Navigation 21:39 <+crythias> everything got changed to AssetProxy 21:40 <@preaction> remind me to thoroughly bitch these people out for staying back at 6.2 for this long and expecting everything to just work when migrating... 21:41 <@preaction> seems there's a gotcha specifically for Collaboration system templates in 6.3 21:41 <+crythias> mm.. yeah. and I lost lotsa collab stuff 21:49 < perlm> Strange that Admin, who defaults to admin group and a guru level, can't see the security tabs. 21:50 < perlm> strike that as Admin works fine. just another user error. 21:51 < perlm> Which sounds easier, a macro that changes a users group, or a Paypal asset? 21:52 <@preaction> why a macro? 21:52 <@preaction> Paypal asset? you can't implement it as a WebGUI::Commerce::Payment? 21:53 < perlm> I guess I should look at the API before I go off half-cocked re-inventing the wheel. 21:55 <@preaction> probably 21:55 <@preaction> users can have more than one group, just add them 21:55 <+crythias> um. macro that changes a user's group is easy. 21:55 <+crythias> what preaction said is more relevant. 21:56 <+crythias> I don't get the existing "Add me to a group" macro. 21:56 < perlm> The macro would be for after a data form has been successfully completed, they would be added to a new group giving them access to new page layouts + assets. 21:56 <+crythias> give them the url 21:56 <+crythias> there's already an add me to a group macro 21:58 <+crythias> http://www.plainblack.com/using_webgui?op=viewHelp;hid=group%20add;namespace=Macro_GroupAdd 22:00 < perlm> Very cool, but the user should have completed a data entry form before they can be added. So the validation of the data form could also add the user to the new group. 22:00 <+crythias> then again, the datafor result screen could have a "Click here" (groupadd macro) when finished reading the dataform successful page. 22:01 <@preaction> perlm, so put the macro on the successful completion template, and they'll get added 22:01 <+crythias> well, they still have to click the link. 22:02 < perlm> Nice 22:15 <@snapcount> did someone say something to me? 22:16 <@snapcount> preaction perhaps? 22:42 <+crythias> you were mentioned in a list ... 23:03 <@snapcount> and here I was thinking I was special 23:03 <@snapcount> sheesh 23:46 <@preaction> you are speshul, short-bus speshul 23:46 <@preaction> but ... maybe... you wouldn't happen to know what's up with the Wiki asset would you? 23:50 <+crythias> heh. short-bus special. 23:57 < perlm> I'm curious as to how something like a Wiki asset gets decided. With apps like MediaWiki, it would seem like building interfaces to them would also be a good idea. 23:57 <+crythias> well, there's a deal. 23:57 <+crythias> see, wiki is weird. 23:58 <+crythias> I'm rather incensed that there has to be always a "new" way to do what already is done. 23:58 <+crythias> but wiki in WebGUI adds some complications as to how WikiWords (if implemented) will be handled. 23:59 <+crythias> but we've discussed that ... 23:59 <+crythias> http://www.plainblack.com/mods/what-is-a-wiki --- Day changed Tue Nov 07 2006 00:00 <+crythias> http://www.plainblack.com/mods/twiki_or_usemodwiki#v5uY0G-uS_ZjdPTfitUQ1g 00:00 < perlm> reading now 00:00 <+crythias> http://www.plainblack.com/etcetera/discuss-how-would-you-want-a-wiki-implemented-in-webgui 00:03 <+crythias> http://www.plainblack.com/news/news/first-webgui-7-beta-released-6.99.0/1 "Added a wiki-like feature that will automatically bring a user to the create a page form if they are in admin mode, and click on a link to a page that doesn't exist yet." 00:04 <+crythias> http://www.plainblack.com/webgui/dev/forums/smoke-tests/smoke-test-results1111111111111 (wiki stuff) 00:05 <+crythias> no wiki failed since 10/16/06 00:07 <@preaction> doesn't look like there even is a wiki in the smoke tests 00:07 <+crythias> 10/14 10/15 10/16 had label issues 00:08 <@preaction> oh, duh, at the bottom there 00:09 <+crythias> "My computer won't turn on" "Did you talk nice to it?" 00:10 < perlm> I'm trying to create an HTTP::Proxy Asset to connect to my MediaWiki page and having no luck. 00:10 <+crythias> hm.. 00:10 < perlm> My sites can only be accessed via ssl, so that is probably the issue. 00:11 < perlm> Nope, I just proxied my WebGUI site with ssl no problem. 00:12 <+crythias> gtg ttyl 00:12 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has left #webgui [] 00:25 < perlm> Hmm. I got the proxy working for my wiki. I would either have to have a custom wiki proxy asset to manage userid's and pwd's for the auto-login or else have both sites use LDAP and just pass along the uid/pwd. 01:01 <@preaction> was there ever any talk about implementing everything possible in WebGUI as an Asset? 01:01 <@preaction> Operations as Assets, Auth as Assets, Products as Assets, etc... 01:22 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@d-ip-129-15-97-108.oulan-south.ou.edu] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 01:41 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 01:41 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 01:49 -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: perlbot, @snapcount, +crythias, vidar__, @preaction, Radix_ 01:52 -!- Netsplit over, joins: perlbot, Radix_ 01:53 -!- Netsplit over, joins: @snapcount 01:53 -!- Netsplit over, joins: @preaction, +crythias, vidar__ 02:18 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #webgui [] 02:52 -!- perlm [n=chatzill@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #webgui 02:53 -!- perlm [n=chatzill@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit [Client Quit] 02:55 -!- perlm [n=chatzill@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #webgui 02:55 -!- perlm [n=chatzill@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit [Client Quit] 03:01 -!- perlm [n=chatzill@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #webgui 03:05 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Radix@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 03:09 -!- perlm [n=chatzill@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/0000000000]"] 03:11 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #webgui 03:44 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 03:50 -!- Radix-Work [n=Radix@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 03:50 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Radix@203.161.68.67] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:39 < Radix-Work> lol - Someone's not a happy chappy - "I started this thread more than three years ago. I do not even work at the same company any more nor do I use WebGui any longer. Lets let it die." 04:40 <@preaction> whoa 04:40 < Radix-Work> http://www.plainblack.com/etcetera/using_collateral_image_in_style/4#idaWMnIR3raUfiSM_F8490oA 04:42 < Radix-Work> poor guy.. posted in 2003, and never got an answer until someone asked the same question in response to his thread recently. I responded and now he's annoyed because he finally got a response. 04:46 <@snapcount> I'd be mad too if a group of people spent thousands of hours writing software, gave it away for free, and didn't take the time to answer my questions for free =) 04:47 <@snapcount> I'll never understand why people undervalue FOSS but have expectations for it that rival every piece of closed source software on the planet 04:49 <@preaction> perlbot hubris 04:49 < perlbot> Excessive pride, the sort of thing Zeus zaps you for. Also the quality that makes you write (and maintain) programs that other people won't want to say bad things about. [Also, the thing that makes you write programs to do something that's already been done, because you believe you can do it better --- Wim.] Hence, the third great virtue of a programmer. 08:01 <@snapcount> perlbot perl 08:01 < perlbot> It's Perl (for the language) or perl (for the interpreter) but NEVER PERL! 08:01 <@snapcount> perlbot epoch 08:02 <@preaction> perlbot bbif 08:02 <@preaction> perlbot keywords 08:02 < perlbot> Check out all the things I know: http://www.chrisangell.com/cgi-bin/botkeywords.cgi Don't want to see the port and country TLD facts? http://chrisangell.com/cgi-bin/botkeywords.cgi?noports=1&nocountries=1 08:03 <@preaction> perlbot help 08:03 < perlbot> (fact)::tell (who) about (what)::(what) > (who)::learn (what) as (info)::relearn (fact) as (info)::phone (phone number)::shorten (url)::shorten it::search (module)::docs (module)::perldoc -f (function)::jargon (term)::math::fortune::flip::host (type) (record)::rot13::roll (die)::tempconv (temp)::scramble (foo)::8ball::slap::diss::what time is it::top/bottom (number) karma::geoip (ip) 08:04 <@preaction> phone 9205791030 08:06 <@preaction> fortune 08:06 <@preaction> perlbot fortune 08:06 < perlbot> He who findeth sensuous pleasures in the bodies of lush, hot, pink damsels is not righteous, but he can have a lot more fun. 08:06 <@preaction> perlbot fortune 08:06 < perlbot> Physicists do it with charm. 08:07 < Radix-Work> perlbot fortune 08:07 < perlbot> War is menstruation envy. 08:10 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 08:11 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 08:19 < Radix-Work> perlbot learn Lotto as Lotto is a tax for people who can't do math. 08:19 < perlbot> added Lotto to the database 08:19 < Radix-Work> perlbot lotto 08:19 < perlbot> Lotto is a tax for people who can't do math. 08:31 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:16 <@preaction> perlbot doesn't work 10:16 < perlbot> What do you mean it doesn't work? What happens when you try to run it? What's the output? What's the error message? What did you expect to happen? We need more information to help you. 10:16 <@preaction> perlbot it doesn't work 10:16 < perlbot> Look buddy, doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Be specific! Examples of what doesn't work (or the URL) tend to help too, or pastebin the code 10:38 -!- Radix-Work [n=Radix@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Windows doesn't have users. It has hostages."] 15:20 -!- haardy [i=heini@dyndsl-091-096-091-008.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #webgui 15:45 -!- ckotil [n=newtrino@snare.grnoc.iu.edu] has joined #webgui 15:57 < ckotil> Has anyone created a google sitemap of their webgui site? 15:57 < ckotil> http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=34606 16:35 < Radix_> ckotil, I did.. and I used webgui to generate the sitemap file too 16:36 < Radix_> but since switching to the wre I haven't installed python again and haven't got it going again 16:36 < Radix_> it's on my list of todo's. 16:38 < Radix_> I used the text file method - you can use a snippet with an assetproxy to a navigation object with a blank template - and return mime type text. 16:38 < Radix_> then use their sitemap_gen.py script 17:03 < ckotil> what are the settings for the navigation asset? start at root, navigate down to infinity? 17:03 < Radix_> I think that's what I used yeah 17:04 < ckotil> awesome. thanks 17:04 < Radix_> np :) 17:04 < ckotil> i thought about doing it that way, but i figured i had to whip up a template to output the XML 17:04 < ckotil> so i tried the python script, but couldnt get a working config.xml file 17:05 < Radix_> nah.. snippets and assetproxy combo's are great like that 17:05 < ckotil> ya, ive used them a few times in my site. 17:05 < ckotil> which is FINALLY going live tomorrow. thats when the DNS is scheduled to change 17:05 < Radix_> woot.. congrats :) 17:05 < ckotil> thanks. 18:07 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has joined #webgui 18:07 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 18:39 < ckotil> is there a way for me to find out what is causing this workflow error? 18:39 < ckotil> 2006/11/06 23:35:27 - ERROR - spectre.conf - Spectre::Workflow::suspendInstance[387] - WORKFLOW: Workflow instance HMwVOhVuAtM9yEYNrVR6qw has failed to execute 5 times in a row and will no longer attempt to execute. 19:08 -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat052.mxim.com] has joined #webgui 19:08 -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ 19:08 <+perlDreamer> hey guys, a quick reminder 19:08 <+perlDreamer> please rerun the test suite after making changes to core code 19:08 <+perlDreamer> over the last week, most of the Macro tests have been broken 19:08 <+perlDreamer> the Session/Scratch test was broken last night 19:15 -!- Hawkaloogie [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui 19:15 < Hawkaloogie> PARTY AT JT's HOUSE 19:16 -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat052.mxim.com] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] 19:22 -!- [1]haardy [i=heini@dyndsl-091-096-091-008.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #webgui 19:36 -!- [2]haardy [i=heini@dyndsl-091-096-091-008.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #webgui 19:40 -!- haardy [i=heini@dyndsl-091-096-091-008.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:40 -!- [2]haardy is now known as haardy 19:43 -!- [2]haardy [i=heini@dyndsl-091-096-091-008.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #webgui 19:53 -!- [1]haardy [i=heini@dyndsl-091-096-091-008.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:58 -!- haardy [i=heini@dyndsl-091-096-091-008.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:58 -!- [2]haardy is now known as haardy 20:17 -!- [1]haardy [i=heini@dyndsl-091-096-091-208.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #webgui 20:35 -!- haardy [i=heini@dyndsl-091-096-091-008.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 20:35 -!- [1]haardy is now known as haardy 22:26 < ckotil> why does the rebuildLineage.pl script fail at? Cleaning up...OK 22:26 < ckotil> Don't forget to clear your cache. 22:26 < ckotil> DBI connect('webgui;host=127.0.0.1','webgui',...) failed: (no error string) at ../lib/WebGUI/SQL.pm line 318 22:27 < ckotil> well i know how to fix it. but i dunno why the parameters dont get passed properly 22:27 < ckotil> i have to set... 22:27 < ckotil> my $dsn = shift; 22:27 < ckotil> my $user = shift; 22:27 < ckotil> my $pass = shift; 22:27 < ckotil> to the real values. 22:37 -!- [1]haardy [i=heini@dynadsl-080-228-88-027.ewetel.net] has joined #webgui 22:40 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #webgui 22:43 < perlm> How's the bug stomping going, Preaction? 22:53 -!- haardy [i=heini@dyndsl-091-096-091-208.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:53 -!- [1]haardy is now known as haardy --- Day changed Wed Nov 08 2006 00:57 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 01:18 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #webgui 01:20 < perlm> I'm trying to lay out a preliminary architecture for an application based on WebGUI. How do you have the user interact with one asset on a page layout and have the results show up in another asset, in that same page layout, preferrabely with AJAX? Just an idea of the parts of WebGUI which would do this is all I'm asking for. 01:24 < perlm> Is there some sort of event handler? A message handler? 01:25 < perlm> Or does all asset communication have to be custom developed or through the DB? 01:26 -!- haardy [i=heini@dynadsl-080-228-88-027.ewetel.net] has quit [" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Go on, try it!"] 01:27 < Radix_> perlm: you can use scratch variables for that purpose 01:35 < perlm> But there is no Javascript messaging system where one asset can tell another to update itself via an Ajax request? 01:37 < Radix_> no idea sorry 02:06 < perlm> Can anyone remember off the top of their head a Macro that interacts with the Session object I can use as example code? 02:07 < perlm> Nevermind, it appears most of them do :) 03:05 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Radix@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 03:13 < perlm> I've learned two things. The session object is not an inside-out object, and from a macro, I have no idea how to gain access to an asset not from the Macro asset (and I can't find any accessor methods in the docs). 03:16 < perlm> $session->asset->getId(); # returns an idea different from the Article Asset ID from the Properties page. 03:16 < perlm> s/idea/id/ 04:05 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 04:05 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythia1] by ChanServ 04:09 < Radix-wrk> wow.. we're up to 10 people in this channel (excluding 2 dupes) 04:12 <+crythia1> oopsies 04:12 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 04:13 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has joined #webgui 04:13 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 06:12 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #webgui [] 06:26 -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-72-87-43-245.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has joined #webgui 06:26 -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ 06:26 <+perlDreamer> anybody awake tonight? 06:43 -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-72-87-43-245.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] 06:49 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 08:31 <@preaction> ckotil, enact.sonoma.edu? 11:04 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Radix@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Windows doesn't have users. It has hostages."] 12:20 -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@224.248.95.24.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 12:24 -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@224.248.95.24.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui 12:24 -!- mode/#webgui [+o snapcount] by ChanServ 13:33 -!- haardy [i=heini@dynadsl-080-228-88-027.ewetel.net] has joined #webgui 17:18 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@d-ip-129-15-97-108.oulan-south.ou.edu] has joined #webgui 17:19 < perlm> In a Macro, can you use the session object to access a reference to an asset besides the one the macro was inside of? 22:29 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@d-ip-129-15-97-108.oulan-south.ou.edu] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 22:46 <+crythias> ain't no sunshine when she's gone... --- Day changed Thu Nov 09 2006 00:20 <@preaction> after 6 hours of dealing with the Beaurocracy, I finally get to do some work 00:20 <+crythias> mmkay 00:20 <+crythias> heh. 00:20 <+crythias> I just found out I could get an iMac for $55 00:21 <+crythias> oops 00:21 <+crythias> Google sends out kama sutra worm 00:28 <@preaction> iMac like the desktopp one? the little cute thing? 00:28 <+crythias> yeah the old one 00:30 <+crythias> http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?InvtId=IM333-RAS-1B&cm_mmc=Froogle-_-DesktopComputers-_-Apple/MacintoshComputers-_-IM333-RAS-1B 00:47 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has left #webgui [] 02:21 <@preaction> snapcount, remember what I said about the secret admirers? Frank's got one bad ;) 02:21 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 02:21 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythia1] by ChanServ 02:22 <@snapcount> is it a hot chick? 02:23 <@preaction> no, it's a Mac OSX junky 02:23 <@preaction> i mean, they're never hot 02:23 <@preaction> look at JT 02:23 * preaction & back to tedious technical writing 02:23 <+crythia1> and that guy from the fly 02:26 <+crythia1> http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000156/ 02:51 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Radix@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 03:19 -!- crythia2 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 03:30 -!- crythia3 [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has joined #webgui 03:30 -!- crythia2 is now known as crythias 03:30 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 03:32 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 03:33 -!- crythias is now known as crythia4 03:33 -!- crythia4 is now known as crythias 03:37 -!- crythias is now known as DONBH8N 03:38 * DONBH8N ME. 03:38 <+DONBH8N> hrm 03:38 <+DONBH8N> wonderfulness 03:38 < Radix-wrk> ? 03:39 <+DONBH8N> I can't believe it's not butter. 03:39 <+DONBH8N> No, really. 03:39 < Radix-wrk> its not.. it's irc 03:39 <+DONBH8N> I'm soaking in it. 03:39 <+DONBH8N> two great tastes that taste great together. 03:39 <+DONBH8N> By Whamo. 03:40 <+DONBH8N> Think Different. 03:40 <+DONBH8N> good to the last drop. 03:40 < Radix-wrk> Don't worry.. there are some men with white coats ready to take you away to your new room. 03:40 <+DONBH8N> the quicker picker upper. 03:41 <+DONBH8N> It's the economy, stupid. 03:41 <+DONBH8N> I'll buy that for a dollar. 03:42 <+DONBH8N> Believe it! 03:42 <+DONBH8N> It's what's for dinner. 03:43 <+DONBH8N> Always. 03:44 < Radix-wrk> preaction/snapcount: PB website is broken ;) - "^AssetProxy(pb-redesign-2006/nav);" 03:45 <+DONBH8N> yeah, it's bug'd at least twice. 03:45 < Radix-wrk> http://www.plainblack.com/install/upgrade_help 03:45 < Radix-wrk> looks like the collaboration object style is different from the parent page 03:46 <+DONBH8N> just.. why is not support contract a link on the um... support page? 03:48 -!- vidar__ [i=gudjon@157.157.215.202] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 06:30 -!- DONBH8N [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 06:48 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #webgui 06:50 < perlm> Say I've got a data entry asset on a page layout and depending on what the user submits in that asset, I want an article asset with a macro in it to display data based on the submission from the data asset. How does the Macro know the submitted data from the data asset? Does the session object have it? Through the DB? 06:56 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 07:45 < Hawkaloogie> damnit, you have to stay longer than 6 minutes... 08:01 < Radix-wrk> I'd love to know the answer myself.. only way I know of is using scratch variables 08:02 < Radix-wrk> perlbot help 08:02 < perlbot> (fact)::tell (who) about (what)::(what) > (who)::learn (what) as (info)::relearn (fact) as (info)::phone (phone number)::shorten (url)::shorten it::search (module)::docs (module)::perldoc -f (function)::jargon (term)::math::fortune::flip::host (type) (record)::rot13::roll (die)::tempconv (temp)::scramble (foo)::8ball::slap::diss::what time is it::top/bottom (number) karma::geoip (ip) 08:03 < Radix-wrk> Hmm.. perlbot needs a greet function.. then you could leave him his answer when he next logs in :) 08:26 -!- Hawkaloogie [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:31 -!- Hawkaloogie [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui 08:46 <@preaction> you could use a scratch variable, you could put a DataForm field containing the user's name (or the user's session, or whatever) 08:46 <@preaction> a user profile field even? 09:31 -!- fami [n=fami@unaffiliated/fami] has joined #webgui 09:47 < Radix-wrk> ahh.. neat.. hadnt thought of those 10:07 -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@224.248.95.24.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:10 -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@224.248.95.24.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui 10:10 -!- mode/#webgui [+o snapcount] by ChanServ 10:36 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Radix@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Windows doesn't have users. It has hostages."] 12:04 -!- maxscience [n=maxscien@85-18-14-23.fastres.net] has joined #webgui 12:16 < maxscience> hi 12:16 < maxscience> I need help :) 12:29 -!- fami [n=fami@unaffiliated/fami] has left #webgui [] 12:46 < Radix_> ask.. and wait 12:46 < Radix_> we're all on diff time zones here.. so you may have to wait a bit.. but be patient and ye will be rewarded ;) 13:21 < maxscience> :P 13:22 < maxscience> http://www.plainblack.com/install/upgrade_help/errors-upgrading-from-7_1_3-to-7_2_0 13:22 < maxscience> http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/errors-upgrading-from-7_1_3 14:38 -!- [1]haardy [i=heini@dynadsl-080-228-88-027.ewetel.net] has joined #webgui 14:44 -!- haardy [i=heini@dynadsl-080-228-88-027.ewetel.net] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 14:44 -!- [1]haardy is now known as haardy 15:55 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #webgui 16:28 < Radix_> maxscience, Sorry.. not done an upgrade to 7.13 yet, let alone 7.20 - waiting for it to all stabilise first before I upgrade our server here 16:28 < maxscience> :( 16:29 < maxscience> But do you know how to manually force missing parts of the upgrade to rerun? 16:29 < Radix_> safer to roll back and redo it 16:30 < Radix_> try manually rm -rf /tmp/WebGUICache first 16:30 < maxscience> I manually copied the backed up WebGUI dir over the new one and rerun the update. But it said no updates were necessary 16:30 < Radix_> Personally though.. I'd wait until 7.2 goes stable again.. and not bother until then 16:30 < Radix_> err.. you need to restore the database too 16:31 < Radix_> or did you copy the entire /data dir? 16:31 < maxscience> yeah! But till now I supposed that the webguiupdate script of the WRE did also backup the database... 16:31 < maxscience> it doesn't? 16:31 < maxscience> no I just copied the WebGUI dir 16:31 < Radix_> that doesn't include the database then 16:32 < Radix_> the database is in /data/wre/prereqs/mysql 16:32 < Radix_> ideally you should have a mysqldump of it as well as your /data/ dir backup 16:32 < maxscience> yeah I know but I didn't manually backup the database because I thought webguiupdate script did it 16:32 < Radix_> it does.. but I forget offhand where it puts it.. 16:33 < maxscience> mmh :( When it ask where to backup, it's /data/wre/var 16:34 < Radix_> I've never relied on the webgui update backup.. always done my own 16:36 < Radix_> it stores them in /tmp/backups 16:36 < Radix_> unless you specify another dir to put them in 16:37 < Radix_> well.. that's the perl upgrade script anyway.. the wre backup is stored where you specify it 16:37 < maxscience> and the wre backup does mysql backups too? 16:38 < Radix_> the wre update script only seems to copy the /data/WebGUI/etc dir to the dir you specify 16:38 < Radix_> it runs the normal perl upgrade script tho.. so it should've made db backups in /tmp/backups 16:39 < Radix_> of course if you've rebooted since.. your /tmp dir may have been wiped clean already 16:39 < maxscience> no it's there hopefully! mydomain_com_7.1.3.sql 16:40 < Radix_> cool :) 16:40 < Radix_> restore that sql then.. and hopefully you'll get your old db back 16:40 < maxscience> so now I just have to drop the actual mysql db and reload it with the .sql file? 16:40 < Radix_> that's what I'd do.. it might drop them automatically in the sql file tho 16:41 < maxscience> ok thx :) 16:41 < Radix_> np 16:55 -!- Hawkaloogie [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:25 <@preaction> 7.2.1 should be more stable than 7.1.3, and the attitude of "i'll update when it's stable" hurts stability, because it won't get run on a whole bunch of different system until it's "stable", and it won't be stable until it can run on a whole bunch of different systems 17:25 <@preaction> but the decision to tag "stable" is JT's, so we'll leave it to him 17:44 < ckotil> should i upgrade if im taking a site live tomorrow? currently on 7.1.3 17:54 <@preaction> it works now? if i were you i wouldn't. i'd Always (whether tagged "stable" or not) update the dev server and test before bringing live 17:54 <@preaction> if it works now, and you're releasing tomorrow, i'd wait, do the release, and then update the dev server and see how the latest goes with your site 17:55 <@preaction> basically every week, or every couple weeks, keep your dev server updated, then when you can, update production 17:56 <@preaction> you'll have to figure out a routine for moving the wG source and running the sbin/upgrade.pl script 18:09 < crythia3> grr 18:11 < crythia3> look, I [think I] understand linear upgrade path, but ... seriously? 20 bug fixes in a Beta doesn't inspire confidence. 18:12 < maxscience> indeed 18:13 < crythia3> I wonder what's a better business decision/model: dump whatever the heck or do custom programming for the people who want it/pay for it, and let the stable-users get.. oh, I don't know.. stable releases? 18:14 < crythia3> why the heck do we bother with beta releases? Why not simply tell people to get the latest svn nightly build? 18:27 < maxscience> a better decision model would just be to be nice to users reporting bugs and giving feedback instead than yelling at them... Those nerds need to go to the countryside a little bit lol 18:29 < ckotil> kthx 18:29 < ckotil> ill bring up the dev server to 7.2 18:29 < ckotil> ;] 18:31 < ckotil> most people know what a beta is. a small fraction know about nightly svn builds 18:38 < crythia3> and the difference to people who actually run WebGUI in production is...? 19:01 < maxscience> the result is that I have my install screwed up now... 19:19 < perlm> when you hit submit in one asset, is there anyway for another asset to see what was submitted via the API, or must the DB be checked? 19:44 < perlm> If I shouldn't be asking these questions here, would someone let me know? 19:44 < ckotil> this is good place to ask. it just takes time to get answers 19:45 < ckotil> plainblack support forum is goo dtoo 19:45 < ckotil> i just dont know the answer ;] 19:46 < perlm> thanks ckotil, I just didn't want it to be the case where everyone was quietly ignoring me hoping I'd go away. 20:17 -!- maxscience [n=maxscien@85-18-14-23.fastres.net] has left #webgui [] 20:24 -!- jZed [n=chatzill@dsl093-039-031.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #webgui 20:25 < jZed> hi, I am wanting to play with WebGui on my home debian etch box that already has a ton of perl / apache / mysl stuff ... 20:25 < jZed> can I install the WRE but leave my existing installs intact? 20:31 < perlm> I was under the impression that the WRE was a seperate Perl env. 20:31 < jZed> so maybe install debian on a different partition and put webgui there? 20:31 < perlm> But WebGUI doesn't interfer with your current install. It may require additional CPAN modules, but you don't have to change Perl params. 20:32 < perlm> the biggest problem you might have is with the virtual host settings in Apache. 20:32 < perlm> Luckily I have two domains pointing at my server and had WebGUI answer the surplus one. But you can hax that by editing your /etc/hosts file. 20:33 < jZed> WRE won't mess with paths etc so it will use its own perl and @INC and I can keep using my other perl installs 20:33 < jZed> hmm, couldn't I just have my current apache on port 80 and stick the webgui apache on some other port? 20:33 < ckotil> yes 20:34 < perlm> I am not positive as I didn't install it. I'm new to WebGUI myself, so can't really answer that. 20:34 < ckotil> simply edit the webgui.conf file in/data/etc 20:34 < jZed> cool 20:34 < perlm> run two instances of apache? sure, that would work to 20:35 < perlm> but virtual hosts are much more sexy 20:35 < jZed> ok, so as long as I have my configs right, I can put webgui in the same partition, and not have it interfere with either my current perl or apache setup? 20:35 < jZed> yeah, sure virtual hosts 20:40 < perlm> I'm running WebGUI on my server in a virtual host and it has zero effect on the many other webapps I'm also running. 20:41 < jZed> ok, that answers the apache side, what about perl, do you have multiple perls? 20:43 < jZed> .oO(I suppose from your nick, you do) 20:45 < jZed> webgui sounds like it scales, anyone know the heaviest-traffic / most complex site using it? 20:47 < jZed> the success stories on plainBlack seem to be small to medium sites 21:04 < perlm> it is mod_perl. I imagine you'd be mem bound before you'd be CPU bound. Which means you should know about SQUID :) 21:04 < perlm> I only have one instance of Perl (5.8.8) which everything shares happily. 21:05 -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: jZed, crythia3 21:06 -!- Netsplit over, joins: jZed, crythia3 21:07 <@preaction> jZed, currently a place called DonorWare is running an slew of virtual hosts using wG on a server farm. they're using db caching, nfs mounts, and load balancers. 21:09 <@preaction> i believe they have a load sharing between two servers running about 10 sites + 9 ssl versions 21:09 <@preaction> i've watched, httpd only gets above 5% CPU load when it's restarting, otherwise a calm 2-3% 21:10 <@preaction> i don't know the specs on those boxen though 21:11 < perlm> WebGUI has an easy to use performance feature. It will show you how long it took to render a page. So you can do some testing of your own. 21:12 < perlm> have multiple LWP bots traverse your site and track the page load time to get a metric. 21:12 <@preaction> there's a program called "siege" that can do that for you 21:12 < perlm> nice 21:13 < perlm> okay, I've got to head into the office for a meeting. Laters 21:13 <@preaction> have fun 21:14 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 21:21 < jZed> great, thanks for the pointer to DonorWare 21:22 < jZed> btw, I got a strong recommendation to use webgui from one of the top developers in Venezuela! so kudos. 21:28 <@preaction> it is the awesome, and as the newest developer hired by plainblack, i intend to make it more the awesome 21:29 <@preaction> plus with these more developers, roy can work less on support and more on making the awesome 21:32 < jZed> looks like a fantastic project 21:33 <@preaction> it is, i'm ecstatic that i'm getting paid to be a part of it ;) 21:33 < jZed> congrats! 21:33 <@preaction> there's the tedious crap, like trying to upgrade donorware since they INSIST on using the 6.2 and 6.8 versions :p 21:34 <@preaction> (so your 7.1 or 7.2 should be even faster than donorware's) 21:34 < jZed> nice, I won't need performance right away but I gotta know it will scale really big 21:35 < jZed> it looks fairly easy to make plugins too, that will be important 21:35 <@preaction> yes, there are provided skeletons, and the list of required methods is very small 21:36 <@preaction> something you might get tripped up on is the way wG implements content-chunking (apache bit-buckets) 21:36 <@preaction> the prepareView / View / www_view methods 21:36 <@preaction> but that's what we're here for, the forums are there for, etc... 21:37 < jZed> yeah, community is the key 21:38 < jZed> in the past I've rolled my own with Mason but this looks like it provides more out of the box but is still extensible 21:39 < jZed> any reason it isn't on CPAN? 21:39 <@preaction> configuration handling is the biggest thing. it will draw, process, and provide accessors for whatever configuration you want 21:39 <@preaction> that's a good question actually, maybe because it's on sourceforge 21:40 < jZed> I have stuff on both (i.e. the same stuff on both) 21:41 <@preaction> maybe because there's already a slew of them on cpan? i dunno man 21:41 < jZed> I recommend it 21:41 <@preaction> maybe just lost in the shuffle 21:41 <@preaction> but it would be more publicity (and we seem to be getting a bunch these days) 21:42 < jZed> that way if I get involved my team and I can contribute plugins the standard CPAN way 21:42 <@preaction> maybe that's why: it takes the namespaces out of plainblack control 21:42 < jZed> but I'm just kibbitzing :-) 21:42 <@preaction> there's nothing, of course, preventing you from doing that... 21:42 <@preaction> hmm... i should write a post to the dev list about it 21:43 <@preaction> or maybe look through the archives, someone might've suggested it already 21:43 < jZed> you could do something like DBI does ... Tim assigns prefixes for DBD authors, only the assigned prefixes are guaranteed to work 21:43 <@preaction> DBIx and DBDx 21:43 <@preaction> i get it 21:43 <@preaction> WebGUIx 21:43 < jZed> yeah something like that 21:44 <@preaction> would make contributing custom stuff that much easier, the current plainblack site has contributions, none of which are newer than a few years 21:45 < jZed> I haven't looked, is the database stuff straight DBI or Class::DBI ror DBIx::Class? 21:45 < jZed> or your own? 21:45 <@preaction> it's a wrapper on DBI 21:46 <@preaction> WebGUI only support MySQL, so it's almost superfluous to use DBI 21:46 < jZed> does it provide db objects? 21:47 <@preaction> it's in there somewhere, if there's a well-documented accessor for it, dunno 21:47 <@preaction> might be a $wGsql->{_dbh} sort of thing 21:48 < jZed> no, I don't mean getting the database handle object, I mean objects for tables etc. ala Class::DBI 21:48 <@preaction> no, straight SQL / DBI stuff 21:48 <@preaction> you could use Class::DBI though 21:49 < jZed> personally, I'm a straight DBI guy but some of the other team prefer the Object wrappers/mappers 21:50 <@preaction> i prefer my own wrapper that provides generic get/set/find/delete methods (the find method is unbelievably complex, taken from DBIx::Abstract iirc) 21:50 <@preaction> but since most DBs are layed out with a key for each row, all you need are those four functions 21:51 < jZed> DBIx::Abstract++ 21:51 <@preaction> indeed 21:51 <@preaction> admittedly: i have to do two calls for normal search functions, a find() and a get() (because find() only returns IDs) 21:52 <@preaction> but find() could be modified to accept a columns => parameter 21:52 <@preaction> anyway, that's in a past-life, when I wrote my own webapp framework 21:52 < jZed> yeah, or presumably we could subclass your Database.pm and roll our own 21:52 <@preaction> (which surprisingly is a lot like wG was in its infancy) 21:52 <@preaction> that also 21:52 <@preaction> you just increase your dependencies 21:53 < jZed> how are sessions handled? in the db or memcached? 21:53 <@preaction> i'm of the type who hates dependencies, even though wG currently has a whole lot of them 21:53 <@preaction> db 21:53 < jZed> yeah, I agree about dependencies 21:54 < jZed> but I'm gonna have some specific and heavy database needs 21:54 <@preaction> that's another thing i wanted to take a look at, opening sessions is currently the most costly operation wG does often 21:54 < jZed> we had problems with sessions data swamping the db previously 21:54 <@preaction> sometimes a single page load can cause three or four sessions to be opened (for various functions) 21:56 <@preaction> actually, i'm not sure about that. they might be cached somewhere 21:57 <@preaction> i mean, it's mod_perl, so we're technically stateful, so we can keep info like that in memory 21:57 <@preaction> maybe that's why Apache2::SizeLimit is a requirement, the session memory cache gets too large 22:00 < jZed> my CTO is asking about blogs, got a URL I can point hm to? 22:01 <@preaction> start a demo site from http://demo.plainblack.com, create a Collaboration System wobject, and choose the "Blog Layout" under Collaboration System Layout in the Display Tab 22:01 <@preaction> the collab system can do just about any forum-style, thread-like type of site 22:02 < jZed> cool, thanks 22:03 <@preaction> (or something like that, I'm not good with the off-the-cuff answers yet) 22:13 < jZed> ok, well we got lost in creating the collab thing, might want a screenshot of a blog on the site 22:14 < jZed> looks amazing though 22:15 < jZed> can't figure out how to display the blog once it's created, oh well I can muddle through ... 22:15 < jZed> oh there it is 22:18 <@preaction> i believe that new wobjects are hidden from navigation by default, that's on the display tab iirc 22:18 <@preaction> otherwise the navigation usually fills in new assets/wobjects automagically 22:19 < jZed> yeah, I found the display tab and then the new, and then remembered to scroll down on the news page :-) 22:20 < jZed> I'm better at designing these things than using 'em :-) 22:20 <@preaction> likewise 22:21 <@preaction> remember too, that your demo is active for 24 hours, but if you log out without committing the new collab system, your visitors wont see it 22:21 <@preaction> the committing version tags thing still throws me 22:21 < jZed> yeah I committed 22:21 <@preaction> http://tryruby.hobix.com/ <- why doesn't Perl have something awesome like this? 22:21 * preaction wants Perl6 in the worst possible way 22:22 < jZed> um, you could write that app in a one-liner in perl, it isn't on the web because it would be too easy for someone to shoot themselves in the foot :-) 22:23 <@preaction> nono, i meant more of the tutorial thing 22:23 <@preaction> the walk-through, interactive tutorial 22:23 < jZed> oh, haven't tried that 22:23 <@preaction> type "help" into it 22:23 <@preaction> it walks you through it 22:23 < jZed> oh, that *is* nice 22:29 <@preaction> a javascript frontend, with an ajax call to a perl interpreter 22:29 <@preaction> prebuilt module objects 22:29 <@preaction> hmm... something to put in my notebook of WONDERFUL IDEAS 22:35 < jZed> I'd use it 22:35 <@preaction> if i build it awesomely enough, it could be used for perl6 as well 22:35 <@preaction> but i have a whole EventsCalendar to rewrite first 22:38 -!- [1]haardy [i=heini@dynadsl-080-228-90-216.ewetel.net] has joined #webgui 22:39 < jZed> you could write a webgui interactive demo for it (combine them $ and WONDERFUL IDEAS, best of both worlds) 22:40 <@preaction> that'd be flash, i can't develop flash because i can't afford it (and i run ubuntu, no good flash tools for linux yet) 22:40 < jZed> yep 22:41 <@preaction> but, wG and plainblack are active in the local perl communities, i'm sure one of their sites would like it, perhaps madmongers, or this new whyperl site i saw JT and steve discussing the other day 22:42 < jZed> you could add in some of the perlmonks chatterbox widgets like perldoc://function_name 22:42 < jZed> or cpan://module_name 22:42 <@preaction> this is getting to be some sort of new hotness site 22:43 <@preaction> nah, there's already annocpan 22:43 <@preaction> annocpan rules, and needs more contributers 22:44 <@preaction> in fact, to be honest, the entire perl website community needs to be updated for "WEB 2.0" (buzzword is hilariously ironic) 22:44 <@preaction> it's almost like Perl is an old-man's tool :( 22:44 < jZed> you're preaching to the choir, my last gig was 80% AJAX and 20% Perl 22:44 < jZed> JSON rules 22:45 <@preaction> i'm not hooked on JSON yet, why not yaml or something? 22:46 <@preaction> JSON is ... cranky... an extra , will set it off 22:46 < jZed> because your perl backend can send JSON to an AJAX callback and the callback has a JavaScript structure it can pour into a display widget wtihout messing with any decoding 22:46 -!- haardy [i=heini@dynadsl-080-228-88-027.ewetel.net] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 22:46 -!- [1]haardy is now known as haardy 22:47 < jZed> you basically write all your JavaScript structures in perl 22:47 <@preaction> or you could use XML / XSL / and XPath 22:47 <@preaction> WebGUI has just started using Yui as a standard JS library, so there should be all sorts of fun things we can do with ajax and the like now 22:47 < jZed> no no no, then you have to do something with it to get it into JavaScript 22:47 <@preaction> okay, i get it now 22:48 < jZed> I mean, sure there are uses for XML but lots of stuff you don't need that step 22:48 <@preaction> you'd have to have a JS function that would use those DOM tools to get things 22:49 < jZed> no, suppose you have a JS display widget that expects an AOH, you create the AOH in perl, wrap it in JSON with one line and send it to the callback whch just hands it to the widget 22:49 < jZed> no parsing or DOM walking at all 22:50 <@preaction> exactly 22:50 <@preaction> i was saying that, instead of using json, you'd have to do what i said 22:50 <@preaction> which is more work 22:50 < jZed> ah, I see, right 22:52 <@preaction> anyway, seriously, i have to rewrite wG's events calendar (which currently is the suck) and I have 11 days to do it (but it will be completely the awesome) 22:52 * preaction & working 22:53 < jZed> excellent, I need that, if you want a tester, email me at jzucker@cpan.org 22:53 < jZed> thanks for all the info 22:53 <@preaction> np 22:54 <@preaction> i need to get my new server, so i can have a web-facing dev server again 22:54 <@preaction> no, no no, i must not IRC, i must not IM, i must WORK... good gravy i'm easily distracted 22:54 < jZed> same here, talk to you later 22:57 -!- jZed [n=chatzill@dsl093-039-031.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/0000000000]"] 22:57 -!- jZe1 [n=jeff@dsl093-039-031.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #webgui 23:13 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@d-ip-129-15-97-108.oulan-south.ou.edu] has joined #webgui 23:17 -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@224.248.95.24.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 23:44 < jZe1> do you folks have a bug-tracking system somewhere or should I file it here? 23:47 < jZe1> this page http://www.plainblack.com/wre/installing says to decompress the binary but when you run /sbin/setup it asks "Please type the path to the file" : a) you should mention which file and b) it is expecting an compressed wre-version.tar.gz not an uncompressed one like in the docs 23:56 -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@224.248.95.24.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui 23:56 -!- mode/#webgui [+o snapcount] by ChanServ 23:58 -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui 23:58 -!- mode/#webgui [+o rizen] by ChanServ --- Day changed Fri Nov 10 2006 00:00 <@preaction> rizen, durnit, now you got me curious... 00:08 <@rizen> sorry about that 00:09 <@rizen> is anyone actually here 00:09 <@rizen> or is everyone just squatting? 00:09 <@preaction> yes'm 00:10 <@preaction> i shouldn't be, i should be working 00:10 < jZe1> I'm an outsider in the middle of an install, if you folks wants some privacy I'll leave 00:10 <@preaction> nono, this is community place 00:10 < jZe1> thanks 00:10 <@preaction> i dunno why chanserv autoops me, the freenode way is usually ops only appear when something goes very wrong 00:11 <@preaction> and i think only roy and/or rizen have the real chanserv access 00:12 -!- jZe1 is now known as jZed 00:18 < jZed> when sbin/setup asks "Please type the path to the file" what file does it want? 00:18 <@preaction> that's a good question, lemme see 00:19 <@rizen> the full path to the webgui-x.x.x-stable.tar.gz 00:19 <@rizen> that you've supposedly already downloaded 00:19 <@rizen> because you chose not to get it from a mirror 00:19 < jZed> right, but in order to run sbin/setup, you've already unpacked the tar.gz 00:19 <@preaction> jZed, it doesn't have the WebGUI part, just the WRE 00:20 <@rizen> yes, the WRE and WebGUI are two seperate systems 00:20 < jZed> so it wants e.g /data/wre or /data/wre-version.tar.gz 00:20 <@rizen> the WRE doesn't come with WebGUI 00:20 <@rizen> no 00:20 <@rizen> it doesn't want the path to the WRE 00:20 <@rizen> it wants the path to WebGUI 00:20 <@preaction> jZed, no, it wants webgui-7.1.3-stable.tar.gz or whatever 00:20 <@rizen> rather a webgui tarball 00:22 < jZed> I went to the site, i clicked download, it sent me to wre-version.tar.gz 00:22 < jZed> neither it nor the install instructions refer to a webgui...tar.gz 00:23 <@rizen> since you arent' listening to what we've told you 00:23 <@rizen> then the best way i can help you is to tell you to start over 00:23 <@rizen> delete the /data/wre folder 00:23 <@rizen> decomrpress again 00:23 <@rizen> and when you run setup this time 00:23 <@rizen> just chose mirror 00:24 <@rizen> don't choose local 00:24 < jZed> ok, but I still don't see any webgui.tar.gz :-) 00:25 < jZed> thanks 00:26 <@rizen> forget it 00:26 -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [] 00:28 <@preaction> you'll download it when you choose "mirror" 00:28 -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@224.248.95.24.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:28 <@preaction> and the reason you have to delete / reinstall is because the setup script is borked. that's why the WRE is in the 0.* series 00:28 < jZed> no problem 00:29 <@preaction> the WRE is also completely JT's domain for now, the rest of us have too much on our plates with wG proper 00:46 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@d-ip-129-15-97-108.oulan-south.ou.edu] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 01:01 -!- jZed [n=jeff@dsl093-039-031.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has left #webgui [] 01:48 -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@224.248.95.24.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui 01:48 -!- mode/#webgui [+o snapcount] by ChanServ 02:53 -!- jZe1 [n=jeff@dsl093-039-031.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #webgui 04:10 -!- jZe1 [n=jeff@dsl093-039-031.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has left #webgui [] 05:26 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #webgui 06:28 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 16:05 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@host1.procolix.nl] has joined #webgui 16:05 -!- mode/#webgui [+v MrHairgrease] by ChanServ 16:05 <+MrHairgrease> roy 16:06 <+MrHairgrease> or doug 16:06 <+MrHairgrease> are you guys there? 16:07 < Radix_> hi martin.. ain't heard from him in a while 16:08 < Radix_> last thing he said was about 14 hours ago 16:11 <+MrHairgrease> ah 16:11 <+MrHairgrease> that explains something =) 16:11 <+MrHairgrease> is anybody using the latest svn checkout? 16:12 <+MrHairgrease> or 7.2.1? 16:12 < Radix_> not me 16:12 <+MrHairgrease> ok 16:12 < Radix_> I was going to ask a question too.. 16:12 <+MrHairgrease> the admin bar won't show up 16:12 <+MrHairgrease> so I wondering if it's broken 16:12 <+MrHairgrease> or if I'm just being dumb =) 16:12 <+MrHairgrease> what is it? 16:12 < Radix_> anyone using the rss syndication to show up flickr rss feeds? - it seems to stop after the first

section ends.. 16:13 <+MrHairgrease> no 16:13 <+MrHairgrease> not me 16:13 < Radix_> might have to look at the code.. see if I can figure out why 16:13 <+MrHairgrease> do you have a url to the feed? 16:13 < Radix_> http://api.flickr.com/services/feeds/photos_public.gne?id=90355682@N00&format=rss_200 16:14 <+MrHairgrease> yeah that's the way to go =) 16:14 < Radix_> that's the one I'm using.. my photo collection :) 16:14 <+MrHairgrease> ok 16:14 <+MrHairgrease> I'll have a look later this day 16:14 < Radix_> it stops after 'posted a photo

' and never puts the photo 16:15 < Radix_> cool 16:15 <+MrHairgrease> It might be due to the fact that the xml parser also parses the html tags 16:15 <+MrHairgrease> i'm not sure 16:15 <+MrHairgrease> but I can imagine that it is something like that 16:16 < Radix_> yeah.. I suspect so too.. though I wouldn't know how to fix it if it was :) 16:16 <+MrHairgrease> me neither 16:17 <+MrHairgrease> I never looked at that code 16:17 <+MrHairgrease> If you can't fix it, just file a bug report =) 16:22 < Radix_> _strip_html($rss) - hmm.. that'd rip out all the img tags and what not.. bet that's what's doing it 16:26 <+MrHairgrease> yeah 16:26 <+MrHairgrease> it sounds like that anyway 16:27 < Radix_> yup 16:27 <+MrHairgrease> you could try to comment thet function 16:27 <+MrHairgrease> and check if it works 16:28 < Radix_> going to give it a try.. but not on our production server.. and I just wiped my laptop to play with windows vista (that was my test server).. hehe 16:28 <+MrHairgrease> that's a wise decission 16:29 <+MrHairgrease> =) 16:29 < Radix_> heh 16:34 <+MrHairgrease> ah fixed it 16:35 <+MrHairgrease> someone borked WebGUI::User 16:57 < Radix_> okey.. grub restored, and ubuntu back up on my laptop.. time to give syndicatedcontent.pm a hack :) 17:06 < Radix_> Hmm.. if I rip that bit out.. then it keeps the html.. but spits it out as text in the feed. converts all the < and > to <'s and >'s even 17:07 <+MrHairgrease> oh that sucks 17:08 <+MrHairgrease> I don't have time to look into it 17:08 <+MrHairgrease> sry 17:08 < Radix_> no probs :) 17:08 <+MrHairgrease> i know =) 17:08 < Radix_> I'll have a further play with it.. bout time I started hacking webgui more anyway 17:09 <+MrHairgrease> it's fun 17:09 <+MrHairgrease> you can win prizes with it =) 17:09 * MrHairgrease pats himeself on the back 17:09 < Radix_> heh 17:38 -!- crythia3 [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:39 <@snapcount> what is borked in wg::user? 17:39 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has joined #webgui 17:39 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 17:41 <+MrHairgrease> nothing special 17:41 <+MrHairgrease> check the latest rev in svn 17:42 <@snapcount> is it that IP restricting admin console thingy 17:45 <+MrHairgrease> yes 17:45 <+MrHairgrease> i didn't have the setting in my conf 17:45 <+MrHairgrease> and the admin bar errored 17:45 <@snapcount> the upgrade script should have put a default one there 17:45 <+MrHairgrease> it should 17:45 <@snapcount> hehe 17:46 <+MrHairgrease> but if you are running a dev environment 17:46 <@snapcount> WebGUI *should* do many things =) 17:46 <+MrHairgrease> that's true 17:46 <+MrHairgrease> most people won't notice it 17:46 <+MrHairgrease> but it's cleaner this way 17:47 <+MrHairgrease> the thing was that the setting was put in in the 7.14->7.20 17:47 <+MrHairgrease> but I updated 17:47 <+MrHairgrease> did a previousVersion.sql 17:47 <+MrHairgrease> and upgraded essentially from 7.2.0 ->7.2.1 17:47 <+MrHairgrease> so it was never run on my env 17:47 <+MrHairgrease> well 17:47 <+MrHairgrease> it doesn't matter that much 18:01 -!- jZed [n=jeff@dsl093-039-031.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #webgui 18:21 < jZed> whaaaa! my apache-fu is not as strong as my perl-fu and I have run the WRE install perhaps 50 times in the last day and still get stumped at mod_perl failed to start, mod_proxy failed to start, Spectre failed to start :-( 18:21 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@host1.procolix.nl] has left #webgui [] 18:22 < jZed> hey, at least I got the WRE MySQL working 18:22 < jZed> I read some forum messages about people with the same problem but not solutions 18:23 < jZed> docs say to check /data/wre/prereqs/apache/logs but there is no such directory since (I believe) apache isn't starting so there are no logs 18:29 -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: jZed, perlbot, ckotil, @snapcount, +crythias, haardy, @preaction, Radix_ 18:30 -!- Netsplit over, joins: @preaction, jZed, +crythias, Radix_, perlbot, ckotil, haardy, @snapcount 18:30 -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: perlbot 18:30 < Radix_> only issue I've ever had with wre mysql was when permissions were not set 18:30 -!- Netsplit over, joins: perlbot 18:30 -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: haardy 18:30 < jZed> MySQL is working fine, it's mod_perl that won't start 18:30 < jZed> and I don't even know how to troubleshoot since there are no logs 18:30 -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: +crythias, @preaction 18:30 < Radix_> check logs in /data/wre/var 18:31 -!- Netsplit over, joins: haardy, @preaction, +crythias 18:31 < Radix_> well.. webgui log is there anyway 18:31 < jZed> yes, it's there and 0 bites since rc.webgui start failed 18:31 < jZed> bytes 18:31 < Radix_> other logs are in /data/wre/prereqs/apache/logs 18:31 < Radix_> try creating the dir if it doesn't exist 18:32 < Radix_> that might be why it's failing to run even 18:32 < jZed> aha! there is wremonitor.log 18:32 < jZed> it says bad hostname ':' 18:33 < jZed> so I guess the hostname is not being set 18:33 < jZed> I am just using localhost since this is my box and no DNS 18:33 < Radix_> wremonitor has always been pretty useless for me.. never used it.. still waiting on a newer wre with a fixed wremonitor myself. 18:34 < Radix_> edit /etc/hosts and add your hostnames there 18:34 < jZed> yeah, already did that as per the docs 18:34 < Radix_> ie. 127.0.0.1 localhost www.mycompany.com mycompany.com 18:34 < jZed> docs say dev.localhost.domain 18:35 < jZed> and wre setup seems to stick the dev. on there 18:35 < Radix_> wierd.. I don't recall that.. and my wre setup didn't 18:37 < jZed> well, hmm, now I get during setup ... Configuring WebGUI... 18:37 < jZed> Use of uninitialized value in subroutine entry at ./setup line 159. 18:37 < jZed> Bad arg length for Socket::inet_ntoa, length is 0, should be 4 at ./setup line 159. 18:37 < jZed> btw, thanks much for your help 18:38 < Radix_> type 'which perl' 18:39 < Radix_> is it returning the /data/wre/prereqs/perl one? or another copy of perl somewhere? 18:39 < jZed> the script should be, my command line is for another perl 18:39 < jZed> yeah the script shebang points at the WRE perl 18:40 < jZed> I've verified that thought they're both 5.8.8 only the wre one has the wre @INCS 18:40 < Radix_> if you don't set up your environment right though - it won't use the wre perl libraries properly 18:41 < Radix_> hence why I asked you to type 'which perl' 18:41 < jZed> which perl is /usr/local/bin/perl 18:41 < Radix_> the wre is far from perfect.. if you use it right it's great, but there are still bugs and gaps 18:42 < Radix_> biggest one is that not all the scripts set their environment properly 18:42 < jZed> yeah and it would be cleaner if I had an extra partition instead of trying to install where I already have perls, mysql, apache, etc 18:42 < Radix_> best way to fix this is to use ". /data/wre/sbin/setenvironment" before you run ANY wre scripts 18:42 < Radix_> it's the only way you can be sure they'll run right 18:42 < jZed> ah, ok, let me try that, thanks 18:42 < Radix_> note that the space between the dot and the path is deliberate 18:43 < Radix_> . /data/wre/sbin/setenvironment 18:43 < jZed> of course it will probably screw up my mason, python, and php stuff, oh well 18:43 < Radix_> no, shouldn't 18:43 < jZed> oh good :-) 18:43 < Radix_> except any other copy of apache you'll need to run on another port address (other than 80/81) 18:44 <+crythias> well.. 18:44 <+crythias> you don't have to. 18:44 <+crythias> I mean, yes, you do.. 18:44 < Radix_> ? 18:44 <+crythias> but you can virtualhost lots of stuff... 18:45 <+crythias> different configs per site. 18:45 < Radix_> yeah, but getting php working for the wre is a bitch 18:45 <+crythias> oh. 18:45 <+crythias> :( 18:45 < Radix_> pardon my french 18:45 <+crythias> bummer. 18:45 < Radix_> mod_php is not included in the distro 18:45 <+crythias> I never tried. 18:45 < jZed> I think I'll try to get webgui working then later I can import parts of my old apache conf into it 18:45 < Radix_> so you need to compile it manually 18:46 < jZed> bleh, I think I'll stick with two apaches on two ports 18:46 < Radix_> easier to simply run another apache with mod_php on another port and mod_proxy it in 18:46 < Radix_> you can use the wre mod_proxy to link to it.. and mod-rewrite rules to transparently hide it all so it seems like it's all on one server 18:47 < jZed> hrm, did the setenvironment thing, still getting Use of uninitialized value in subroutine entry at ./setup line 159. 18:47 < jZed> Bad arg length for Socket::inet_ntoa, length is 0, should be 4 at ./setup line 159. 18:47 < jZed> line 159 is looking for gethostname() 18:47 < Radix_> you didn't script up your localhost entry in /etc/hosts when you edited it by any chance? 18:48 < jZed> no, but hostname reports a different name 18:48 < jZed> maybe that's it 18:48 < Radix_> hostname must be in /etc/hosts 18:49 < jZed> can I re-load /etc/hosts without rebooting? 18:49 < Radix_> sure 18:50 < Radix_> just edit it and that's it 18:50 < jZed> hmm but I put a different hostname in and it still shows the old one 18:51 < Radix_> edit /etc/hostname? 18:51 < Radix_> or reboot? 18:51 < jZed> edited but didn't reboot 18:53 < jZed> /etc/hosts shows 127.0.0.1 dev dev.localhost.localdomain 18:57 < jZed> guess Imma reboot, thanks for the tips, back soon 18:59 -!- jZed [n=jeff@dsl093-039-031.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has left #webgui [] 19:18 -!- jZed_ [n=chatzill@dsl093-039-031.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #webgui 19:18 -!- jZed_ is now known as jZed 19:28 -!- jZed [n=chatzill@dsl093-039-031.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/0000000000]"] 19:28 -!- jZed__ [n=jeff@dsl093-039-031.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #webgui 19:47 < jZed__> this little script sure comes in handy: rm /data/wre/var/hoster.arg.cache; rm /data/wre/var/version.txt; rm -r /data/We\bGUI; /data/wre/sbin/setenvironment; /data/wre/sbin/setup 19:48 < jZed__> well now mod_proxy starts but mod_perl and Spectre still don't 20:00 < jZed__> allright, I manually created /data/wre/etc and /data/wre/prereqs/apache/logs which weren't there and now at least I have logs to look at 20:01 < jZed__> so I see this in modperl.error.log: 20:01 < jZed__> Cannot load /data/wre/prereqs/apache/modules/mod_apreq2.so into server: libapreq2.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory 20:05 <@preaction> jZed__, sounds like your wre install has a major problem 20:05 < jZed__> yeah, I've been working on it since yesterday 20:05 < jZed__> getting frustrated 20:05 < jZed__> must have run setup 75 times 20:05 < jZed__> at least now I have apache logs which I didn't before 20:05 <@preaction> which one did you download? 20:06 < jZed__> 7.1.3-stable 20:06 <@preaction> that's not the WRE 20:06 < jZed__> oh, just a sec 20:06 <@preaction> there are TWO THINGS. one is the WRE, the other is WebGUI 20:06 <@preaction> i don't care about version, i want to know platform 20:06 < jZed__> oh debian 20:07 < jZed__> yes, I understand about the two things now 20:07 < jZed__> wre is just the other apps and an install script 20:07 <@preaction> do you know how to install .deb packages manually? you don't need the WRE, it's just ... more convenient (when it's done) 20:07 < jZed__> is there a url to get the webgui directly, I can't see that listed anywhere so only way I can get it is via mirror 20:07 < jZed__> during setup 20:08 < jZed__> sure I can install debs 20:08 <@preaction> http://www.webgui.org 20:12 <@preaction> are you following the docs/install.txt instructions? 20:12 < jZed__> yep 20:12 < jZed__> every step 20:12 <@preaction> you don't have existing apache2 or mysql or otherwise installs? 20:13 <@preaction> you're running setenvironment before you try to start/restart wG? 20:13 < jZed__> yes I have perl and apache2 and mysql but I made sure to turn them all off 20:13 < jZed__> yes I'm running setenvironment 20:13 <@preaction> you're root 20:14 < jZed__> yep 20:14 <@preaction> you could configure your existing installs to work with WebGUI 20:14 < jZed__> just swap in the conf files? 20:15 <@preaction> http://www.plainblack.com/installing_webgui 20:15 <@preaction> no, i would not do that 20:15 <@preaction> read the link, follow that 20:15 < jZed__> ok thanks for all your help 20:16 <@preaction> you'll need to apt-get install perl-magick (or something similar) 20:16 <@preaction> there are other dependencies too 20:16 <@preaction> i think they're all covered by the link, but you'll have to find them in APT 20:17 < jZed__> oh I have all the perl prereqs 20:17 <@preaction> then you'll also need to create an init.d script for spectre 20:18 <@preaction> you may be able to get away with moving the rc.spectre from the WRE into /etc/init.d/, but you may have to look in and edit it 20:18 < jZed__> ok, I can handle that 20:19 < jZed__> fortunately, like most perl stuff, difficulty of installation does not necessarily bod difficulty of use, thank god 20:22 <@preaction> that's what the WRE is supposed to fix... but imho it'd be better to provide a .deb that had the appropriate dependencies 20:22 <@preaction> gentoo actually has an emerge version of wG that automatically pulls in dependencies, dunno how it is on setup though 20:39 < jZed__> well I was wrong about having all the prereqs, I'd thought that installing Catalyst pulled in everything on CPAN, but webgui needs even more 20:40 < jZed__> but testEnvironment.pl is doing a good job of getting everything 20:59 < jZed__> grr, my absolute least favorit cpan.pm error : test died because of failure of pod coverage # for kripes sakes let us install even if your pod sucks 20:59 < jZed__> Graphics::ColorNames 21:22 <+crythias> force install 21:22 < jZed__> oh sure, did that 21:22 < jZed__> all the perl stuff eventually installed 21:22 < jZed__> I've got webgui to start 21:23 < jZed__> but now i can't seem to get to the admin login 21:24 < jZed__> it should just point at dev.localhost.localdomain if that's in my domains/.conf 21:29 < jZed__> hmm, WebGUI starts, I can get to my old apache directories, I can't get to the WebGui directory, must have messed something up in virtual hosts 21:30 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@d-ip-129-15-97-108.oulan-south.ou.edu] has joined #webgui 21:36 < jZed__> hrm, closer and closer ... now when I point at the webgui domain dir, I get "Fatal Internal Error" 21:36 < jZed__> must be some sort of Spectre or WebGui error because it doesn't look like a regular Apache one 21:50 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has left #webgui [] 22:08 < jZed__> w00000000000000000t! 22:09 < jZed__> webgui is installed, the install from source was much easier than WRE 22:09 < jZed__> thanks everyone for your help 22:38 -!- haardy [i=heini@dynadsl-080-228-90-216.ewetel.net] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:38 -!- [1]haardy [i=heini@dyndsl-085-016-102-071.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #webgui 22:38 -!- [1]haardy is now known as haardy 22:58 < jZed__> installation done, configuration next ... hmm it wants css03.css but there is no such file or it can't find it, so I can't see the admin panel etc. cause no CSS unhides it 23:04 < jZed__> ah no, it's the /extras CSS it can't find, I probably need an alias in apache.conf 23:05 < perlm> did you move the extras to your config instance? 23:08 < jZed__> no 23:08 < jZed__> but this fixes it in apache.conf: Alias /extras/ "/data/WebGUI/www/extras/" 23:08 < jZed__> or should I copy extras into /domains/public? 23:10 < perlm> yeah, that apache.conf edit sounds like a hack 23:10 < jZed__> the page is very confusing without the css 23:10 < jZed__> :-) 23:11 < jZed__> but everything is cool, I have webgui and my old PHP and Mason stuff all running off the same port 23:11 < perlm> your domainname.conf in the /WebGUI/etc dir should have "extrasURL" : "/extras", and "extrasPath" : "/data/WebGUI/www/extras", 23:13 < jZed__> yep those are there 23:15 < jZed__> oh well, this works for now 23:15 < perlm> are you using a virtual host? You should have DocumentRoot /data/WebGUI/domains/www.yourdomain.com/public 23:16 < jZed__> yep 23:16 < perlm> that is strange....../extras should map to /data/WebGUI/domains/www.yourdomain.com/public/extras 23:16 < perlm> without the alias...oh well 23:20 < perlm> holy smokes, I think I just counted 100 individual connections to the server to load an asset configuration page. 23:41 < jZed__> it wasn't me :-) 23:46 < jZed__> "You are currently working under a tag called: None"? --- Day changed Sat Nov 11 2006 00:31 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 00:32 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythia1] by ChanServ 01:00 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@d-ip-129-15-97-108.oulan-south.ou.edu] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 01:36 -!- jZed__ [n=jeff@dsl093-039-031.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has left #webgui [] 05:25 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #webgui [] 06:29 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 06:29 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythia1] by ChanServ 06:51 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:24 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 07:25 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythia1] by ChanServ 08:12 -!- jZed_1 [n=jeff@dsl093-039-031.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #webgui 08:14 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:42 -!- jZed_1 [n=jeff@dsl093-039-031.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has left #webgui [] 18:23 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #webgui 19:00 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 19:00 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythia1] by ChanServ 19:13 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #webgui [] 20:54 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 22:38 -!- [1]haardy [i=heini@dyndsl-085-016-102-145.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #webgui 22:57 -!- haardy [i=heini@dyndsl-085-016-102-071.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:57 -!- [1]haardy is now known as haardy --- Day changed Sun Nov 12 2006 03:03 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 03:03 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythia1] by ChanServ 04:36 <@preaction> how does the parameter get populated? i can't seem to find a single wobject that does it 04:43 -!- preaction changed the topic of #webgui to: WebGUI (stable: WebGUI 7.1.3) || Need help? Ask and wait patiently (it might take awhile) 05:35 <+crythia1> hrm 05:35 <+crythia1> preaction you still there? 05:35 * crythia1 is bringin' sexy back. 05:48 <@preaction> i'm back now, had to make food 05:53 <@preaction> found it... $self->getToolbar 06:24 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #webgui [] 07:27 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 07:27 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythia1] by ChanServ 07:49 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:06 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:07 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui 09:07 -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ 14:57 -!- haardy [i=heini@dyndsl-085-016-102-145.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [" Want to be different? HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-"] 16:31 -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit ["Windows doesn't have users, it has hostages."] 16:31 -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui 21:49 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 21:49 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythia1] by ChanServ --- Day changed Mon Nov 13 2006 00:26 -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: ckotil, @snapcount, Radix_ 00:27 -!- Netsplit over, joins: @snapcount, Radix_, ckotil 02:58 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Radix@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 04:23 -!- preaction-m [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui 04:27 -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@224.248.95.24.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [] 05:16 < preaction-m> damnit roy, get your ass back here 05:17 < Radix-wrk> You just want his ass? 05:17 < preaction-m> you don't? 05:17 < Radix-wrk> No wait.. don't answer that 06:31 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #webgui [] 07:37 < Radix-wrk> PB webpages are still broken btw.. - https://www.plainblack.com/install/upgrade_help 07:37 < Radix-wrk> getting a ^AssetProxy(pb-redesign-2006/nav); on the side there 10:59 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Radix@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Windows doesn't have users. It has hostages."] 15:01 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 15:01 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythia1] by ChanServ 16:13 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:36 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@d-ip-129-15-97-108.oulan-south.ou.edu] has joined #webgui 17:55 < perlm> so what's new at PlainBlack this week? 18:09 < perlm> Does anyone know what this means from my /var/log/webgui.log " WORKFLOW: Response for babWLAT6BW20Qv8869RwbQ was redirected"? 18:11 < ckotil> not entirely. all i can get from it is that a workflow process was redirected 18:13 < perlm> The rest of the message says "This should never happen if configured correctly." 18:13 < ckotil> heh 18:13 < perlm> I'm trying to see if spectre is responding to the default port. 18:17 < ckotil> turn on debug mode 18:17 < perlm> Spectre is responding to the default port just fine. I'm not sure if the problem is in my domain.conf or the spectre.conf. not sure what there is to even change in spectre.cof. 18:18 < perlm> hah, "What port should we connect to WebGUI on?" I'm only running on 443, not 80. 18:19 < ckotil> so you're only running under ssl? 18:19 < perlm> yes 18:19 < ckotil> maybe it needs a non ssl instance 18:19 < ckotil> i dont really know 18:21 < perlm> spectre only takes an ip address to talk to WebGUI. the default host for that IP is not WebGUI. 18:21 < perlm> I might be SOL on this one. 18:23 < perlm> has anyone gotten WebGUI to run in the default Apache host in a subdir to webroot? Or does it have to run in its own Virtual Host? 18:27 -!- jZed__ [n=jeff@dsl093-039-031.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #webgui 19:11 -!- jZed__ [n=jeff@dsl093-039-031.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:28 < ckotil> i have gotten it to run at http://newt.grnoc.iu.edu/WebGUI 19:29 < ckotil> heres a goofy bug. I add a new ^FlieUrl(); macro and in firefox if i click on the word FileUrl in the wysiwyg editor , firefox2 crashes 19:30 < ckotil> firefox2 likes to show raw file information rather than loading an image or offering a file to download. 19:30 < ckotil> so i had to go back and add ^FileUrl to a lot of my urls 19:31 < ckotil> daaamn. my webgui::Cache::FileCache is up to 12 megs 20:34 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@d-ip-129-15-97-108.oulan-south.ou.edu] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 21:11 -!- jZed__ [n=jeff@dsl093-039-031.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #webgui 21:17 < jZed__> ok, here's a pickle ... I put on debug and now when I go into anything on the admin panel (including settings to turn debug off) all I get is the debug output ... no pages; on non-adming stuff it shows both 21:19 < jZed__> for example the page starts with { "op" : "editSettings" } 21:28 <@preaction> jZed__, you can edit the configuration file manually, but remember to restart apache after you're done 21:28 <@preaction> i'd also file a bug, if you can find the code that's doing it 21:31 < jZed__> hmm, so c /data/WebGUI/etc/domain-name.conf put "debug" : 0, ? 21:32 < jZed__> nope, that didn't work 21:32 <@preaction> did you restart apache? 21:33 < jZed__> yep 21:34 <@preaction> holy crap the Flash Player 9 Beta for Linux actually WORKS 21:35 < jZed__> cool, I'm blocked from lots of stuff because I don't have 9 21:35 < ckotil> preaction: yeah 21:36 < jZed__> is there an easy way to just wipe out a site and start a new one? delete the mysql db and start over? 21:36 < jZed__> or will I need to replace some directories too? 21:39 < jZed__> I'm sorry I've got so many questions, but I need to decide in the next day or two whether to use webgui for a really big project (bigger than any I've seen using webgui), and I'd like to at least have it minimally working before I decide :-) 21:47 <@preaction> jZed__, what kind of project? 21:48 <@preaction> and don't sell it short, WebGUI is running some massive stuff already 21:48 < jZed__> um, it's under NDA, but generally think of MySpace + YouTube + Other stuff 21:48 < ckotil> I just completed a big project, redesigning all of our NOC websites. Now im working to implement customer portal functionality. interfacing with out database of contacts 21:48 <@preaction> Brunswick New Technologies, the US Department of State 21:48 <@preaction> oh, i see... 21:48 <@preaction> umm.... 21:48 < jZed__> I'm not selling it short, I'm aiming big :-) 21:49 <@preaction> we'll set aside my complete dislike for the entire idea of MySpace and say this: 21:49 < ckotil> would webgui be able to power a site with millions of hits a day? 21:49 <@preaction> when you get it to work with webgui, integrated with webgui's stuff, it will be awesome 21:49 <@preaction> Myspace with versioning? hells yes 21:49 < ckotil> heh 21:50 <@preaction> like most CMS, it's limited only by the computer 21:50 < ckotil> im wondering if the server running webgui would be able to keep up with the requests 21:50 < jZed__> preaction, I know, I believe that, but I gotta get it working to convince the CEO 21:51 <@preaction> which reminds me, there's a lot of efficiency stuff i want to do, but it'll break API so it'll have to be in 9.x 21:51 <@preaction> anyway 21:52 < jZed__> so, I now have a totally borked install ... version tags I can't commit because they were locked when spectre quit, the debug stuff that prevents me from doing any admin tasks ... how do I start over? 21:52 <@preaction> if you just re-create the config file and database, you should be fine 22:11 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #webgui 22:11 < perlm> jZed, you ever get things working? 22:13 < jZed__> yes, I got it installed, my virtual hosts are not quite right but I think I can fix that, I just reinstalled a site that had problems and now I am trying without success to create a first page, I commit the version tag but the page is still in pending and I don't know how to get it out 22:16 < jZed__> hrmph, spectre.pl --daemon gives Can't use string ("sitename") as a HASH ref while "strict refs" in use at ../lib/WebGUI/Config.pm line 226. 22:30 <@preaction> jZed__, look in the wG config file, is everything kosher? looks like either $self or $self->{_config} got set to a string for some reason 22:31 <@preaction> are you running 7.2? 22:31 < jZed__> 7.1.3 22:31 < perlm> My problems are with Spectre not being able to talk with WebGUI either. 22:32 < jZed__> this is my conf: "sitename" : [ "dev.localhost.localdomain", "localhost.localdomain"], 22:36 < perlm> I wonder why ^AssetProxy started erroring on every page. 22:38 < perlm> WOOOHOOOOOO, spectre just did a commit without throwing an error and requiring me to manually commit! 22:39 < perlm> But what does this mean? Processing failed on macro: ^AssetProxy(style3_coolmenu);: Can't call method "canView" on an undefined value at /usr/share/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Post.pm line 117 22:41 <@preaction> perlm, look at line 117 of that file, what is it trying to call a method on? 22:41 < perlm> $self->getThread->getParent->canView 22:41 <@preaction> a lot of these error messages that people are getting should have been TESTED FOR (even if at runtime) and reported with more information 22:41 <@preaction> perlm, it means that the post has no parent Thread 22:41 <@preaction> which is probably bad 22:42 < perlm> but this *just* started showing up. And the little icon that appears just at the upper right of the admin bar is no longer there. 22:45 <@preaction> no, wait, it's trying to get the Parent of the Thread, which should be the Collaboration System 22:45 <@preaction> meaning there's a CS that doesn't exist, have you deleted one recently? have you deleted anything recently? 22:45 < perlm> yes 22:45 < perlm> lots and lots 22:46 < perlm> I've been adding assets and blowing them away left and right.....mostly with the spectre auto-commit broken and me commiting things manually. 22:46 < perlm> I'm trying to do a rollback to the clean install, but clicking rollback does nothing. 22:47 < jZed__> I did that by deleting and reinstalling the mysql database 22:47 < jZed__> and then restarting apache 22:47 < perlm> yeah, I shoudl do that.....can't remember how to recreate the database. 22:48 <@preaction> rollback doesn't seem to work as described, it's more a "delete this version tag and this version tag only" 22:48 <@preaction> instead of "delete all version tags that occured after this version tag", as I would expect 22:48 < perlm> it won't even rollback just the latest version. 22:49 < perlm> worse, nothing is written to the log saying what went wrong. 22:49 <@preaction> crapbeans 22:49 <@preaction> nothing in modperl error log either? 22:49 < perlm> j/s I'll check 22:50 < perlm> nope 22:50 < perlm> unless mod_perl logs are written somewhere besides the normal apache logs 22:50 <@preaction> no, they shouldn't 22:51 < perlm> I see the message coming in for spectre, but no action. 22:53 < jZed__> well I am stuck with spectre.pl --daemon returning Can't use string ("sitename") as a HASH ref while "strict refs" in use at ../lib/WebGUI/Config.pm line 224. 22:53 < jZed__> I tried putting in a hard-coded $self->{_config} and that just led to other errors :-( 22:54 < perlm> by connecting on 80 instead of 443 I got it to rollback. I've rolled back to the initial install and am still getting that error. 22:54 < jZed__> duh, the light dawns, lol, perm = perlmonkey2 :-) 22:55 < jZed__> s/perm/perlm/ 22:55 < perlm> heh, yep 22:55 < jZed__> it was port 443 that gave you away :-) 22:56 < jZed__> dang, I had spectre.pl working at least some of the time the other day, I wonder why it won't start? 22:57 < perlm> I'd recopy the config file and start over because it sounds like some text got munged somewhere. 23:00 < jZed__> the odd thing is it finds the config for the ip and port and only later bombs on the sitename 23:01 < perlm> okay, I'm upgrading to 7.2 just because I can't remember if I have 1.2 or 1.3 and I need to rebuild the db :P 23:06 < jZed__> ok, I'm nearing the end of my rope, two full days and I still have not been able to create a single page using webgui 23:20 < perlm> it is pretty slick if you can get around the rough edges...... 23:20 < jZed__> I hope to get there, but doubting it sometimes 23:21 < perlm> course, now I can't get apache with 7.2 installed to start 23:25 < perlm> I don't remember this from the 7.1.2 install "[error] Can't locate WebGUI.pm in @INC " 23:25 < perlm> that is from my httpd logs. 23:26 <@preaction> perlm, that one's easy: you need to fix your PATH for apache, usually setenv PERL5LIB will do it 23:27 < jZed__> w00t, success 23:27 <@preaction> and of course, pb's spectre just finally spat out the support requests for today... i swear to god... 23:27 <@preaction> so at 3:30pm i finally get all the support requests for the weekend and today... wtf... 23:27 < jZed__> was missing curly braces around the dev_local... config section 23:27 < jZed__> so the JSON bombed 23:27 <@preaction> yeah... i'm not liking JSON, should've used INI or Yaml for the configuration 23:28 < jZed__> well, Config.pm needs a check to make sure JsontoObj() returns an object and complains about bad JSON right there rather than passing a non-object to the requesting routine 23:29 < jZed__> want a patch? 23:33 < jZed__> put this after line 343 in Config.pm : Can't use string ("sitename") as a HASH ref while "strict refs" in use at ../lib/WebGUI/Config.pm line 224. 23:33 < jZed__> er, I mean this: die "Can't parse JSON in '$filename'\n" unless ref $con\f; 23:34 < jZed__> that's just sloppy error catching, a proper error would have told me where to look right away 23:34 < jZed__> # of course I've done such sloppy things myself too ... 23:34 <@preaction> jZed__, i completely agree, most of my "tests" that i'm required to write have been neglected for better error handling 23:35 <@preaction> the current ErrorHandler thing is horrible (when Carp would give me more functionality, and eval {} would let me pick and choose what to catch) 23:36 < jZed__> yeah I threw in some Carps to debug 23:36 <@preaction> i'll leave a note to add that error 23:36 < jZed__> thanks 23:38 < perlm> Somewhere something is telling apache to add /data/WebGUI to @ISA and my WebGUI is in /usr/share/WebGUI 23:39 < jZed__> I made a symlink from /data to /usr/share/webgui and put WebGUI in that 23:40 < perlm> I had it fine for 7.1.3 23:40 < perlm> I just missed something in the config files 23:40 < jZed__> how do you unlock a version? 23:42 < perlm> commit it? 23:42 <@preaction> perlm, grep for "/data/WebGUI" in lib, maybe there's something explicit in there, which would be bad 23:42 < jZed__> I'm Admin, I made a collab sys, committed it, it did not show up anywhere except in pending versions, i go there and view it and it is locked 23:42 <@preaction> that would be bug-worthy 23:42 <@preaction> jZed__, spectre isn't running probably :( 23:43 < jZed__> that's what I thought but ps -elf shows it 23:43 <@preaction> kill it, run spectre with the --run --debug flags, and see if there's an error or something 23:44 <@preaction> maybe pipe it through tee so you can get a log of it as well 23:45 < perlm> precation, that was a good idea. preload.pl had /data/WebGUI hardcoded. 23:46 <@preaction> that's a bug in my opinion, please submit it, but be warned that JT might not consider it a bug 23:46 <@preaction> or, search the dev forums 23:46 <@preaction> maybe it has a reason why that's like that 23:46 < perlm> hardcoding paths are not really a great idea for enterprise software. 23:47 < jZed__> Respons H_Y... retrieved successfully ... Got an error response for for H_Y... 23:47 < jZed__> hmm, starting it up again after that and the page is unlocked 23:50 < perlm> now I'm getting weird Log::Log4perl::Appender::log errors :( 23:50 <@preaction> spectre just annoys the hell out of me sometimes... 23:51 < perlm> on some pages I'm logged out, but others I'm logged in. 23:54 <@preaction> browser cache --- Day changed Tue Nov 14 2006 00:48 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 01:33 -!- jZed__ [n=jeff@dsl093-039-031.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has left #webgui [] 02:48 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Radix@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 03:24 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #webgui 03:24 < perlm> Hah, just saw WebGUI uses yahoo's AJAX library. Nice. After much looking and playing with, I decided Yahoo's was the most appropriate also. 03:44 < Radix-wrk> they did a review of a number of the libraries out there - I saw the discussion on it in the dev channel 03:47 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 03:47 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythia1] by ChanServ 03:47 < Radix-wrk> http://www.plainblack.com/webgui/dev/discuss/javascript-apis 04:29 < perlm> reading the review now 04:36 < perlm> Yeah, JT's arguements for YUI sound a lot like my own, although besides YUI I had only done anthing enterprise level with Scriptaculous/Prototype. 05:46 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:24 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 10:19 <@preaction> it's 2:00am, i have to be up at 9:00am for another day of support, and I only got 4 hours of sleep last night... 10:19 <@preaction> how do I survive? 10:22 <@preaction> and why am i still hanging out in the ubuntu channel? 10:27 < Radix-wrk> Good questions 10:34 <@preaction> and let it henceforth be known that I am sick and tired of the HttpProxy Wobject... 10:42 < Radix-wrk> hehe 11:00 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Radix@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Windows doesn't have users. 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He loves it. 20:27 < perlm> "cat's pajamas" is what he said. 20:28 < perlm> Does WebGUI have Template::Toolkit2 support? 20:28 -!- ckotil [n=newtrino@snare.grnoc.iu.edu] has joined #webgui 20:28 < ckotil> Can I run a cgi upload file script under webgui? 20:29 < perlm> I think there are a couple of built in Assets for doing that. 20:29 < ckotil> We have these weekly reports that are uploaded to the server then a cronjob script generates an html file of all the weekly reports. And i just http proxy that generated html page. 20:29 < perlm> But writing your own custom upload asset shouldn't be hard. 20:29 < ckotil> hrm 20:29 < ckotil> intneresting 20:30 < ckotil> i did start looking at creating my own assets 20:30 < ckotil> ive created a couple pretty bare bone assets that didnt do squat but display some random text 20:31 < ckotil> i was hoping i could use a snippet asset and paste the cgi script into that and have it execute no problem. 20:31 < perlm> but you want your cronjob to LWP post the report to a WebGUI asset? 20:31 < ckotil> nah it will just cronjob an external html page 20:31 < ckotil> and webgui will http proxy it in 20:32 < perlm> how is that working for you? 20:33 < ckotil> http://www.abilene.iu.edu/abilene/support/weekly-reporting.html 20:33 < ckotil> great 20:37 < perlm> I'm pretty new to WebGUI myself and am only running it at a test server at my house, but I have the design guys playing with it and will probably be moving all our stuff to WebGUI. 20:40 < ckotil> Ive been using it for 4 months now 20:40 < ckotil> i love it 20:45 -!- perlbot [n=perlbot@lv.pm.org] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:45 -!- perlbot [n=perlbot@lv.pm.org] has joined #webgui 20:49 < perlm> I'm trying to figure out how you were going to use a CGI script inside of a snippet asset? Can snippets be executed? The help says only JS and markup are allowed. 20:49 < ckotil> yeah :/ i dunno either 20:49 < ckotil> looks like i gotta create a custom asset 20:49 < ckotil> fuck 20:50 < perlm> if your weekly reports are in a DB, couldn't you use the WebGUI form builder asset? 20:52 < ckotil> yeah. 20:52 < ckotil> pretty easily too 20:54 < perlm> SQL Report asset looks like jsut what you need. 20:54 < perlm> and just a few underneath is the Survey asset.......thank the gods, I'll never have to write another stupid survey webapp! 20:55 < ckotil> heh 20:55 < ckotil> hrm.. so you're saying store the files in the db? 20:55 < ckotil> interesting. 20:55 < perlm> BLOBs are meant to be used :P 20:56 <@preaction> perlm, i believe there are plugins for TT, dunno about TT2 20:56 < perlm> preaction, what is the default templating tool? 20:56 <@preaction> HTML::Template 20:57 < ckotil> good call perlm 20:58 <@preaction> ckotil, you could also use the HttpProxy module, set up an apache or tinyhttpd instance to run your cgi scripts, and get the CGI output in that manner 20:58 < ckotil> im doing that now. 20:58 < ckotil> how can i secure access to the upload.cgi script 20:58 <@preaction> perhaps there should be an "Exec" asset that could execute a command, translating URL params into command-line params 20:58 < perlm> I'm starting to daydream all sorts of cool things with WebGUI. I wonder how long it would take me to port my survey's directly into the WebGUI DB. Just write to the DB and skip the WebGUI front end. 20:59 < ckotil> exec would be cool 20:59 < perlm> yeah, and maybe it could eval{} user entered data :P 20:59 <@preaction> ckotil, secure? you could make sure that the referer was correct 21:00 <@preaction> Exec would be able to execute "perl script.pl --options", no need for eval {} 21:00 <@preaction> eval would be far harder to secure 21:00 < ckotil> ok. that thoguht did cross my mind, but i dismissed it bc i dunno how to check the referer. how would i check to see that the referer is in fact the webgui page? 21:00 <@preaction> a CGI script is passed the HTTP headers in the environment, one should be HTTP_REFERER 21:01 <@preaction> you could ensure that the httpd you're running only accepts connections from localhost 21:01 <@preaction> in fact, i would definately make sure of that 21:01 < ckotil> ok. 21:01 < ckotil> btw. im not running the wre so im jsut gonna use the same apache instance 21:01 <@preaction> you'll want to make a vhost then 21:01 < ckotil> ok 21:01 < ckotil> ive got a bunch setup. 21:01 <@preaction> and if the name isn't resolvable outside your server, you have no problem 21:02 < ckotil> ah. good idea 21:02 <@preaction> i mean, it'd be weird to see http://localhost and have it work, but work it would 21:03 < ckotil> its an internal tool. so no big deal 21:03 -!- Jiggie [n=none@63-239-138-22.dia.static.qwest.net] has joined #webgui 22:03 < ckotil> in my custom wobject i created a form in the template. how do i process this form in the wobject? 22:04 < ckotil> eh. i think i see it 22:18 < perlm> I regularly fake the Referer in HTML headers. Using that as an