--- Log opened Wed Nov 01 00:00:15 2006 02:55 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Radix@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 06:07 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 06:07 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythia1] by ChanServ 09:01 -!- perlbot [n=perlbot@lv.pm.org] has quit [K-lined] 09:05 -!- preaction_ is now known as preaction 09:15 -!- perlbot [n=perlbot@lv.pm.org] has joined #webgui 11:13 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:53 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 11:53 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythia1] by ChanServ 11:54 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Radix@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Windows doesn't have users. 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Could not reproduce the issue on my test system. 04:07 < preaction> lots more setup for this box... mail server, temporary HTTP server until I get another one (which will also be running FreeBSD) 04:07 < preaction> did you copy the /extras directory? 04:07 < Radix-wrk> Figured out it must be some wierd perl library version somewhere that was different from what PB were using 04:07 < preaction> i've noticed a lot of the docs on pb.com are outdated 04:08 < preaction> perhaps i should use my powers to change that situation 04:08 < Radix-wrk> so now I use the WRE 04:08 < Radix-wrk> on Centos 4.3 (RHEL4) 04:08 < preaction> if they didn't give me 2.5 weeks left to do the entire EC rewrite (and i've spent a week and a half just doing Functional Spec and Technical Spec... when can I start CODING?) 04:09 < preaction> the debian WRE i installed for a client the other day, worked right away, very nicely 04:09 < preaction> hmm.. 04:10 < preaction> ok, i lied, i like the concept, but not for my own computers ;) 04:15 < Radix-wrk> heh 04:17 < Radix-wrk> Oooh.. functional spec and technical spec before you code - don't tell me you were actually trained as a programmer ;) 04:19 < Radix-wrk> I'm a software engineer by trade myself, and network admin, and tech support, and mr fix it, and .. (insert everything else but the kitchen sink here) 04:43 < preaction> nope, not really trained per-se. my specs used to consist of writing all the documentation beforehand (which i suppose would be considered a techspec) 04:44 < preaction> i'm quickly becoming kitchen sink. my personal home network is my training grounds for *nix network administration, and plainblack is teaching me software engineering 04:44 < preaction> and tech support... monkeys could do it ;) 04:44 < preaction> mod_perl takes damn long to compile on a pentium 90 with 32 megs of ram... 04:45 < preaction> courier-imap took about 6 hours :( 05:08 < Radix-wrk> lol 05:08 < Radix-wrk> pentium 90? omg.. that takes me back 05:09 < Radix-wrk> I first started with linux on a 386dx40 with 4mb of ram. I couldn't do kernel compiles at all on that thing.. had to get my friend with 8mb of ram to compile me a cut down kernel for my system! 06:13 < Radix-wrk> new webgui out 06:13 -!- Radix-wrk changed the topic of #webgui to: WebGUI (stable: WebGUI 7.1.3) || Need help? Ask and wait patiently (it might take awhile) 06:15 < Radix-wrk> heh.. "- Tried to clean up some HttpProxy code. Still very ugly. (need rewrite?)" 07:04 < preaction> there were three different indent styles in that damned thing... 07:25 < Radix-wrk> heh 07:57 < Radix-wrk> Hmm.. odd - if I add some text to the headers section of an article, it gets put in the headers twice 08:02 < preaction> are you viewing the article as part of a page layout? 08:02 < preaction> it's midnight, why am i still up? 08:05 < Radix-wrk> yeah 08:05 < preaction> the page layout has no headers? 08:05 < Radix-wrk> editing an article and putting the headers bit in that, when I view the whole page, I get all the right info, but the bit I put in headers comes up twice 08:05 < Radix-wrk> it's literally duplicated twice right after itself 08:06 < preaction> thats weird 08:06 < Radix-wrk> never really used the headers section much before.. always added it to our global style headers 08:06 < Radix-wrk> but useful for testing out new css/javascript styles and the like - which is what I'm doing 08:07 < Radix-wrk> using 7.0.8 still - so could've been fixed already 08:07 < Radix-wrk> I've been waiting for 7.1.x to settle down a bit before I upgrade our website here.. still too many bugfixes in it for my liking 08:08 < Radix-wrk> Anyways.. odd nevertheless 08:08 < Radix-wrk> Trying to get this working in webgui - http://www.html.it/articoli/niftycube/index.html 08:09 < preaction> wow, it's been a while since i've seen nifty corners 08:10 < Radix-wrk> Would be nice to be able to set up article styles using it. I'm still relatively new to javascript/css and the like 08:12 < Radix-wrk> I haven't sussed out the window.onload stuff yet.. which is why it doesn't work currently for me 09:06 -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: Radix-wrk 09:06 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Radix-wrk 10:22 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Radix@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Windows doesn't have users. 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I just idle.. that way you never miss much :) 17:36 < preaction> exactly 17:36 <+crythias> all that blank white space... it's like watching a bitbucket.. being. drip. filled. 17:36 < Radix_> or grass growing :) 17:36 <@snapcount> BITBUKT 17:36 < preaction> sometimes it gets rather wild in here! woo! 17:36 < Radix_> but when things do happen.. least you don't miss out ;) 17:37 <@snapcount> I have to get the bot back online 17:37 < preaction> there used to be a bot in here? 17:37 * MrHairgrease applauds roy 17:37 < preaction> perlbot is gone for some reason... i don't know why 17:37 <@snapcount> calc pomade 17:37 < Radix_> perlbot? - what did it do? 17:37 <+MrHairgrease> calc pomade 17:37 <@snapcount> that was the best one *ever* 17:37 <+MrHairgrease> that was the good stuff 17:37 <+MrHairgrease> yeah 17:38 <@snapcount> how did it go... 17:38 <@snapcount> I need some palmade 17:38 <@snapcount> I hope you mean pomade 17:38 <@snapcount> something like that 17:38 <+MrHairgrease> something like that 17:39 <+MrHairgrease> maybe i have a log somewhere laying around 17:39 <+MrHairgrease> moment 17:39 <@snapcount> thanks for fixing those bugs martin 17:39 <+MrHairgrease> i just fixed another 17:39 <@snapcount> rock on 17:39 <+MrHairgrease> also ldap related 17:39 <@snapcount> what are you trying to say =) 17:40 <@snapcount> Roy broke LDAP cough* cough* 17:40 * MrHairgrease shuts his mouth wisely 17:40 <+MrHairgrease> i dunno who broke it 17:40 <@snapcount> it was me 17:40 <+MrHairgrease> it just sucked all along =) 17:40 <+MrHairgrease> well 17:41 <+MrHairgrease> you do provide me woth income 17:41 <+MrHairgrease> in some way =) 17:41 <@snapcount> My errors are the result of writing code and not being able to check it in for 3 months 17:41 <@snapcount> then trying to merge 17:41 <+MrHairgrease> oh yeah 17:41 <+MrHairgrease> that sucks 17:41 < Radix_> yikes.. that would 17:43 <+MrHairgrease> here it is 17:43 <+MrHairgrease> WRE: pomade = give me some of that palmade I hope you mean pomade 17:43 <@snapcount> LMAO 17:43 <@snapcount> yep that's it 17:43 <+MrHairgrease> WRE: mattscode = {dangit;} i broke 6.9... beyond repair, probably. 17:43 <+MrHairgrease> WRE: urine = Did you know that all humans can urinate through their navels? 17:43 <+MrHairgrease> ok I'll stop now 17:44 < Radix_> Well.. I'll leave you guys to your pomade and bugs.. I'm off to bed. Night all :) 17:44 <@snapcount> I have to get WRE back 17:44 <@snapcount> night Radix_ 17:44 <+MrHairgrease> later 17:44 <+MrHairgrease> are you from australia or so? 17:44 < Radix_> ya.. I was the aussie at the WUC :) 17:44 <+MrHairgrease> ok 17:44 <+MrHairgrease> I remember 17:45 <+MrHairgrease> good night 17:45 < Radix_> nite 17:58 -!- MrHairgrease is now known as MrAFKGrease 18:25 -!- MrAFKGrease is now known as MrHairgrease 19:01 -!- diakopter [n=diakopte@pdpc/supporter/active/diakopter] has joined #webgui 20:16 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:18 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui 20:18 -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ 20:27 -!- diakopter [n=diakopte@pdpc/supporter/active/diakopter] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 2.0/2006101023]"] 21:40 -!- perlbot [n=perlbot@lv.pm.org] has joined #webgui 22:42 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has left #webgui [] 23:09 <@preaction> weirdest fucking bug i've ever seen. Image::Magick just FAILS for no reason. restarting apache fixed it... 23:13 <@preaction> probably something to do with me using Apache2::Reload --- Day changed Fri Nov 03 2006 00:13 <@snapcount> yep 00:13 <@snapcount> like every 10-15 code changes I have bounce apache 00:30 * crythias 's considering rubygui 00:31 <+crythias> calc marriage 00:31 <+crythias> calc crythias 00:31 <+crythias> cruduby. 00:44 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has left #webgui [] 02:27 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 02:27 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythia1] by ChanServ 02:30 <+crythia1> hm 02:31 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Radix@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 03:01 <@preaction> hm indeed 03:01 <@preaction> can someone direct me to the person who wrote the HttpProxy wobject so I may properly pummel them? 03:02 < Radix-wrk> can't you see who initially checked it in in cvs/svn? 03:03 <@preaction> the svn repo was checked in from the earlier cvs repo, and i don't know where that old cvs repo is (if it even exists still) 03:03 < Radix-wrk> ahh 03:04 < Radix-wrk> just blame jt then :) 03:04 <@preaction> he's got enough blame already ;) 03:05 < Radix-wrk> his fault for writing it all.. he gets credit and blame for the same action :) 03:05 <+crythia1> cvs @ sf.net 03:07 <@preaction> ooh, i can find the culprit 03:07 <@preaction> or i could just fix the damned thing 03:07 <+crythia1> 'cept... not there no more. 03:07 <@preaction> damnit 03:12 <+crythia1> http://pbwebgui.cvs.sourceforge.net/pbwebgui/ 03:13 <+crythia1> https://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=29894&group_id=1#connection 03:15 < Radix-wrk> http://pbwebgui.cvs.sourceforge.net/pbwebgui/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/HttpProxy/ 03:16 < Radix-wrk> written by JT initially 03:17 <@preaction> just says he migrated it 03:17 <@preaction> and it looks like it wasn't touched since away back then 03:18 < Radix-wrk> 21 months 4 weeks ago (isn't that 22 months) 03:19 <+crythia1> well ... 05:27 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Radix@203.161.68.67] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:30 -!- diakopter [n=diakopte@pdpc/supporter/active/diakopter] has joined #webgui 05:34 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Radix@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 07:27 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #webgui [] 10:52 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Radix@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Windows doesn't have users. 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I'm on Fedora Core 6 new install. Going through the list of modules required and can't get past this one. 22:53 <@preaction> yum? 22:53 < perlm> XS is where the errors start occurring and I won't touch XS code with a ten foot pole. 22:53 <@preaction> there might be a package for it 22:53 < perlm> Apache2::Request doesn't exist in the repos. 22:53 <@preaction> that's dumb 22:54 <@preaction> you're using cpan then? 22:54 <@preaction> you have the headers for apache2 right? 22:54 <@preaction> and axps? 22:54 < perlm> Yeah, using cpan. But the module has to build. Yes, axps came with the httpd-devel repo. 22:55 < perlm> ah 22:55 <@preaction> and apache2's headers 22:55 <@preaction> can you get the build-dependencies for apache2? 22:55 < perlm> headers.....yeah.....um......that would indeed be the problem. 22:55 <@preaction> i'm not familiar with yum or whatever RH is using 22:55 <@preaction> i've been debian/ubuntu forever 22:56 < perlm> the generated make file isn't finding the .h's......crap 22:56 <@preaction> edit the makefile.pl? 22:56 < perlm> running dapper? 22:56 <@preaction> dapper for now 22:56 <+crythias> :) 22:56 <@preaction> getting my FreeBSD apache server running so I can go xubuntu edgy 22:56 <+crythias> howdy 22:56 <@preaction> bonjourno 22:57 < perlm> I should fire it up and see how it compares to Core 6. Core 6 seemed like a huge jump forward for the Fedora line. 22:57 <+crythias> :) :) :) 22:57 <+crythias> read my suse thing 22:57 <+crythias> THE SECRET: 22:57 <+crythias> cp /usr/include/apache2/modules/perl/* /usr/include/apache2/ 22:57 <+crythias> just sayin' 22:58 <+crythias> http://www.plainblack.com/install/upgrade_help/how-i-got-libapreq6.08-to-install-on-suse-10.1/1#idFxOUXj8tcHQrE0KrXapduQ 22:58 <+crythias> or something. 22:59 < perlm> crythias, is that a pitch to get me to move to Suse? 22:59 <+crythias> no. 22:59 <+crythias> It should be rather agnostic. 22:59 <@preaction> he's saying if you copy the mod_perl headers to /usr/include/apache2 it might compile 23:00 < perlm> fedora calls apache2 dirs, httpd. I'm looking in /usr/include/httpd right now for the headers which *should* be there. 23:00 <+crythias> ok, close enough. 23:01 < perlm> The CVS portion of WebGUI looks really slick. But if I can treat it like a framework and developer for it....well I probably won't be able to contain my joy. 23:01 < perlm> s/developer/develop/ 23:01 <+crythias> heh. and if that were the case, ... I wouldn't be thinking of rube gui 23:01 <@preaction> you're getting the CVS from sourceforge? 23:02 <+crythias> preaction's got a point. cvs on sf.net is ancient. 23:02 < perlm> doh....CMS, not CVS....I can't type today. 23:02 <@preaction> ah 23:02 <+crythias> whew. 23:02 < perlm> and my problem is I'm missing the mod_perl headers from /usr/include/ 23:02 <+crythias> 'cause otoh, webgui doesn't support a cvs interface... 23:02 < perlm> should be an easy fix.....:) 23:03 <+crythias> libmodperl2 23:03 <@preaction> otherwise, writing wobjects is pretty easy. figuring out whether to return the data or print the data is harder :( 23:03 <@preaction> i still don't understand what return "chunked" does 23:04 <+crythias> which fedora? 23:05 <+crythias> mod_perl-devel (that's the libmodperl I was looking for) 23:05 < perlm> I haven't even looked at the API yet, but I was curious how hard it would be. Like writing a custom cookie based user authentication app that WebGUI would be able to use. 23:05 < perlm> crythias, you are fast, I was just installing mod_perl-devel in the hope it contained those libs. 23:05 <@preaction> i've heard JT wants to redo the entire auth system, that's how much he hates it 23:05 <@preaction> i haven't dived into those parts yet 23:06 < perlm> Fedora Core 6 23:06 <+crythias> 'kay, cause I just wanted to know... 23:07 < perlm> The PerlCast JT did completely sold me on WebGUI. If it works out, I'm hoping to move my entire center over to it in the next year. Heck, maybe I can start writing in Plainblack support into grant proposals :P 23:08 * crythias just nods 23:08 <+crythias> well, it's been wild. 23:08 < perlm> Watching a long XS build go is worse than watching someone roll dice that you just bet $10,000 on. 23:20 < perlm> Core 6 as apreq2 in the repos. 23:20 < perlm> s/as/has/ 23:20 <@preaction> umm... oops? 23:21 < perlm> yeah....I didn't know apreq2 was shorthand for apache2::request and apach2|request weren't in the package summary. 23:25 < perlm> Okay, I'm onto the configuration of conf files......thanks a million for the install help! 23:25 <@preaction> np --- Day changed Sun Nov 05 2006 00:02 < perlm> I'm trying to work through this http://www.plainblack.com/installing_webgui but it appears out of order. For instance, when I try to start spectre, it is obviously looking at the webgui.conf file which I was never told to alter (I created a mydomain.conf). 00:03 < perlm> n/m, I shouldn't have had a WebGUI.conf at all. 00:16 < perlm> I wonder why in the demo when I turn admin on, I get the admin console on the left, but in my new install when I turn admin on, I don't get the install console....strange. 00:16 < perlm> probably have some path messed up somewhere. 00:23 < perlm> Unless I did something wrong, the instructions need to be updated so that when the directory "uploads" is being moved into the instance directory, "extras" is included. 00:23 <@preaction> yeah, extras needs to be included 00:23 <@preaction> let me update that right away so i dont' forget 00:24 < perlm> I can't believe it is running on my home box......all I need is to get it going on 443 and I'm golden! 00:25 < perlm> This could be a whole new way of doing webdev, with a super slick pre-canned front end. 00:41 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:13 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 01:22 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 01:22 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 01:43 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:58 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #webgui 05:03 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:04 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 05:04 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 05:16 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui 05:16 -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ 05:42 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:33 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #webgui [] 16:00 -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:06 -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui 16:54 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #webgui 16:59 < perlm> I wonder if running WebGUI in a named virtual host will confuse Spectre. I have my domainA on :80 and domainB-virtual also on 80. How does Spectre get connected to the correct one? 17:24 -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:25 -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui 19:13 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 21:00 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 21:00 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ --- Day changed Mon Nov 06 2006 02:09 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Radix@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 03:24 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #webgui 03:24 < perlm> Hello everyone. 03:27 <@preaction> perlm, spectre shouldn't get confused, it uses the first entry in the SiteName configuration array 03:27 * preaction & shower and edgy install 03:31 < perlm> Yes, spectre has never been a problem. Trying to put WebGUI in an SSL enabled virtualhost is what took all my time. But now that it is working, I'm really impressed. 03:32 < perlm> The people at work tomorrow are going to flip when I show them what we'll be able to do without me writing 1 line of code. 03:35 < Radix-wrk> mornin' 03:37 <+crythias> kewl beanses 03:41 < perlm> I'm guessing people here are part of or closely aligned with Plain Black? Does anyone know if PB hosting services can assure data security to an IRB looking over our research grant? We require absolute anomynity. 03:41 < perlm> bbl, hope someone answers :) 03:42 < Radix-wrk> I found the same thing perlm - though I found here that just meant that their expectations went higher - and ended up coding templates, teaching everyone how to get the best out of webgui.. problem solving and learning javascript/html to solve problems that webgui didn't do ;) 03:42 < Radix-wrk> Only preaction and snapcount are PB employees here I think. 03:45 <+crythias> yeah. I don't rank 03:45 <+crythias> I'm just a guy 03:47 < Radix-wrk> I'm in charge of the webgui site at my company so figure if I idle here I might be able to pick up a bit of knowledge about it on the odd occasion.. or help someone with the knowledge i do have :) 03:48 < Radix-wrk> It'd be nice if we had a bigger irc community.. but we're slowly growing.. 03:49 <+crythias> yeah.. if all of us have 2 logins... why, we could be like people... oh. 03:49 <+crythias> 10 03:49 <+crythias> people 03:50 < Radix-wrk> heh 03:50 < Radix-wrk> now now crythias ;) 03:51 <@preaction> like the poor head of a boy with a pituitary disorder, my army is slowly growing larger! 03:54 < Radix-wrk> Well at least we've got two PB employees on here now.. when I first joined I was lucky to see one! 03:56 <@preaction> this is what crythias means by "doesn't rank" :p he's got a whole long interview about him on pb.com 03:59 <@preaction> hell, the reason I'M here is to learn from the users. 5 weeks working with WebGUI does not an expert make 03:59 <@preaction> drake keeps telling us about our "truck number", if JT got hit by a truck right now, the rest of plainblack would be panicking 04:00 * preaction & edgy install for real this time 04:00 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 06:39 < perlm> Anyone have any idea how much Plain Black charges for template designs? 06:44 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui 06:44 -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ 06:53 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 06:53 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui 06:54 -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ 06:54 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:54 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui 06:54 -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ 07:10 < perlm> Can someone else change a page layout to "Left Column" and see if ^RawHeadTags(); shows up? 07:10 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 07:35 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 07:36 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui 07:36 -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ 07:49 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 08:16 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui 08:16 -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ 08:59 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:40 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 09:40 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 10:02 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:29 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Radix@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Windows doesn't have users. 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Your operator is: preaction 17:24 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@d-ip-129-15-97-108.oulan-south.ou.edu] has joined #webgui 17:59 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 17:59 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui 17:59 -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ 19:12 < perlm> I just don't understand. I feel like I've really explored WebGUI from the CMS side (still checking out the API), but this appears light years ahead of commercial products like Novells. Why do I get the feeling WebGUI doesn't have very deep market penetration? 19:13 <@preaction> because it's free software backed by a company that doesn't have millions to spend on marketing, nor dozens of people to spend on development? 19:14 <@preaction> up until last month, the dev team consisted of four programmers and one designer 19:14 <@preaction> now there's six 19:14 <@preaction> programmers, i mean 19:14 <@preaction> plus the community regulars, there's 4-5 i see often 19:15 < perlm> The last place I worked at spent ~$300K on consultants getting Novell's CMS tool configured. And to this day it is a buggy unscalable POS that causes them no end of pain. 19:15 <@preaction> ... wow 19:16 < perlm> Sounds like JT needs to hiring a marketing firm. 19:16 <@preaction> i couldn't tell you the figures, but AMLA is getting two weeks of priority bugfixes to make their site completely 100% awesome, and i can guarantee it's less than 50K, probably less than 10K, hell, probably a lot less 19:16 <@preaction> we're loaded as it is :P 19:17 <@preaction> i'm on the support forums today, but otherwise roy's been pulling 60+ hour weeks, i anticipate i'll be doing the same for a couple weeks to get this EventCalendar rebuild released 19:18 <@preaction> today i get to relax, fix some bugs, chat on IRC 19:20 < perlm> loaded for work or loaded for an income stream? 19:20 < perlm> or both :D 19:20 <@preaction> work 19:20 <@preaction> income stream is none of my business, and i'm happier that way 19:21 <@preaction> my paycheque comes in, i work my little code-monkey buns off 19:23 < perlm> sounds like exciting times 19:23 <@preaction> if they'd just sign off on the durned technical specification i could get to real work 19:23 <@preaction> and tomorrow we're having a bugfix day at JT's house 19:24 <@preaction> should be good times 19:31 < perlm> man, that is how you make a living? going to the boss's house for code parties? I'm frak'n green over here. 19:33 <@preaction> likewise with the newbness here, this is my third week in my first "real" programming job 19:33 <@preaction> freelancing doesn't count when you're working full-time at walmart 19:36 < perlm> Even if they only pay you with fritos and coke, you might have one of the coolest jobs out there. 19:36 <@preaction> bah. i keep forgetting ubuntu doesn't install build-essential by default 19:37 <@preaction> i love it, except for the not understanding a damned thing part 19:37 <@preaction> i mean, i know Perl, i know CSS, etc... but WebGUI is mammoth 19:37 <@preaction> if JT was hit by a truck, the entire company would be in deep mekrob 19:37 < diakopter> nah 19:38 < perlm> yeah, I just started exploring it 4 years since I first looked at it, and it is incredibely complex 19:39 < diakopter> preaction: depends on the type of truck. 19:39 <@preaction> one of my goals is to tone down the complexity, but i doubt that will happen. 19:40 < diakopter> preaction: what bug are you currently working on? 19:40 <@preaction> AMLA had some bugs in the commerce system, which is getting overhauled for the 8.x series, but i'm fixing this stuff now 19:41 <@preaction> trying to get Apache2::Reload working so i don't have to restart apache a billion times 19:41 <@preaction> and why didn't CPAN notice that i didn't even have make installed? 19:42 < perlm> but exactly what I've been looking for. The CMS gets sites up and running with minimal design work on my part, and the API is a well structured framework. What's not to love? 19:43 <@preaction> the one thing that irks me is how the session instance is handled. it gets referenced in almost every single object 19:43 <@preaction> it's also very very large 19:43 < perlm> I wonder if I could put together a Fedora rpm for the repos. All the libs that require building are in the repos, and everything else was easily found in CPAN. 19:44 < diakopter> preaction: what's wrong with it being large? It's never duplicated? 19:44 <@preaction> perlm, i was thinking the same thing for ubuntu, but then there's the WRE 19:45 <@preaction> diakopter, which is true, it's a personal preference of mine. it seems inelegant 19:45 < perlm> WRE? That is great for people who don't know systems, but I like to *know* what's going on under the hood. 19:45 < perlm> as long s the keyword "keys" never appears in OO perl, size and speed are not issues. 19:46 <@preaction> i'm a minimalist at heart, WebGUI can't be minimalist, because the target audience are normal Joe Users 19:47 < diakopter> when's the wiki asset going to make it to svn? 19:47 <@preaction> plus, i'm not privy to the information on why certain things had to happen, so there are still things i don't understand 19:48 <@preaction> that's a durn good question 19:48 <@preaction> snapcount, roy, you got info? 19:48 <@preaction> JT took over devel on it, he might know 19:52 <@preaction> the wiki will make support so much easier, and better documentation 19:52 <@preaction> i believe our tech writer started today too, so that should help the docs 20:01 -!- diakopter [n=diakopte@pdpc/supporter/active/diakopter] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 2.0/2006101023]"] 20:09 < perlm> tech writer? You must be doing well if you can afford to hire a tech writer. 20:18 <@preaction> or we anticipate doing good in the future with the new contracts 21:17 <+crythias> :) 21:18 * crythias could have attempted tech writing, but never ft 21:22 <@preaction> i can write good docs, but i could never just write docs. i need to code 21:23 <@preaction> i'm always paranoid that people won't understand my docs, but code is code 21:34 <@preaction> anyone here know if something major changed for Template assets between 6.2 and 6.8? 21:35 < perlm> Security tabs not showing up for users in Admin group? 21:35 <+crythias> yeah, lots. try.. um.. version history 21:37 <+crythias> my faq has more info. 21:38 <+crythias> http://www.gwy2.org/fomfiles/cache/52.html 21:38 <@preaction> i mean more to the structure of the Templates table. there's apparently a problem migrating 6.2 CS templates to 7.1.3, and it has to do with something that changed from then to 6.8 21:38 <+crythias> Yeah. no Navigation 21:39 <+crythias> everything got changed to AssetProxy 21:40 <@preaction> remind me to thoroughly bitch these people out for staying back at 6.2 for this long and expecting everything to just work when migrating... 21:41 <@preaction> seems there's a gotcha specifically for Collaboration system templates in 6.3 21:41 <+crythias> mm.. yeah. and I lost lotsa collab stuff 21:49 < perlm> Strange that Admin, who defaults to admin group and a guru level, can't see the security tabs. 21:50 < perlm> strike that as Admin works fine. just another user error. 21:51 < perlm> Which sounds easier, a macro that changes a users group, or a Paypal asset? 21:52 <@preaction> why a macro? 21:52 <@preaction> Paypal asset? you can't implement it as a WebGUI::Commerce::Payment? 21:53 < perlm> I guess I should look at the API before I go off half-cocked re-inventing the wheel. 21:55 <@preaction> probably 21:55 <@preaction> users can have more than one group, just add them 21:55 <+crythias> um. macro that changes a user's group is easy. 21:55 <+crythias> what preaction said is more relevant. 21:56 <+crythias> I don't get the existing "Add me to a group" macro. 21:56 < perlm> The macro would be for after a data form has been successfully completed, they would be added to a new group giving them access to new page layouts + assets. 21:56 <+crythias> give them the url 21:56 <+crythias> there's already an add me to a group macro 21:58 <+crythias> http://www.plainblack.com/using_webgui?op=viewHelp;hid=group%20add;namespace=Macro_GroupAdd 22:00 < perlm> Very cool, but the user should have completed a data entry form before they can be added. So the validation of the data form could also add the user to the new group. 22:00 <+crythias> then again, the datafor result screen could have a "Click here" (groupadd macro) when finished reading the dataform successful page. 22:01 <@preaction> perlm, so put the macro on the successful completion template, and they'll get added 22:01 <+crythias> well, they still have to click the link. 22:02 < perlm> Nice 22:15 <@snapcount> did someone say something to me? 22:16 <@snapcount> preaction perhaps? 22:42 <+crythias> you were mentioned in a list ... 23:03 <@snapcount> and here I was thinking I was special 23:03 <@snapcount> sheesh 23:46 <@preaction> you are speshul, short-bus speshul 23:46 <@preaction> but ... maybe... you wouldn't happen to know what's up with the Wiki asset would you? 23:50 <+crythias> heh. short-bus special. 23:57 < perlm> I'm curious as to how something like a Wiki asset gets decided. With apps like MediaWiki, it would seem like building interfaces to them would also be a good idea. 23:57 <+crythias> well, there's a deal. 23:57 <+crythias> see, wiki is weird. 23:58 <+crythias> I'm rather incensed that there has to be always a "new" way to do what already is done. 23:58 <+crythias> but wiki in WebGUI adds some complications as to how WikiWords (if implemented) will be handled. 23:59 <+crythias> but we've discussed that ... 23:59 <+crythias> http://www.plainblack.com/mods/what-is-a-wiki --- Day changed Tue Nov 07 2006 00:00 <+crythias> http://www.plainblack.com/mods/twiki_or_usemodwiki#v5uY0G-uS_ZjdPTfitUQ1g 00:00 < perlm> reading now 00:00 <+crythias> http://www.plainblack.com/etcetera/discuss-how-would-you-want-a-wiki-implemented-in-webgui 00:03 <+crythias> http://www.plainblack.com/news/news/first-webgui-7-beta-released-6.99.0/1 "Added a wiki-like feature that will automatically bring a user to the create a page form if they are in admin mode, and click on a link to a page that doesn't exist yet." 00:04 <+crythias> http://www.plainblack.com/webgui/dev/forums/smoke-tests/smoke-test-results1111111111111 (wiki stuff) 00:05 <+crythias> no wiki failed since 10/16/06 00:07 <@preaction> doesn't look like there even is a wiki in the smoke tests 00:07 <+crythias> 10/14 10/15 10/16 had label issues 00:08 <@preaction> oh, duh, at the bottom there 00:09 <+crythias> "My computer won't turn on" "Did you talk nice to it?" 00:10 < perlm> I'm trying to create an HTTP::Proxy Asset to connect to my MediaWiki page and having no luck. 00:10 <+crythias> hm.. 00:10 < perlm> My sites can only be accessed via ssl, so that is probably the issue. 00:11 < perlm> Nope, I just proxied my WebGUI site with ssl no problem. 00:12 <+crythias> gtg ttyl 00:12 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has left #webgui [] 00:25 < perlm> Hmm. I got the proxy working for my wiki. I would either have to have a custom wiki proxy asset to manage userid's and pwd's for the auto-login or else have both sites use LDAP and just pass along the uid/pwd. 01:01 <@preaction> was there ever any talk about implementing everything possible in WebGUI as an Asset? 01:01 <@preaction> Operations as Assets, Auth as Assets, Products as Assets, etc... 01:22 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@d-ip-129-15-97-108.oulan-south.ou.edu] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 01:41 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 01:41 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 01:49 -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: perlbot, @snapcount, +crythias, vidar__, @preaction, Radix_ 01:52 -!- Netsplit over, joins: perlbot, Radix_ 01:53 -!- Netsplit over, joins: @snapcount 01:53 -!- Netsplit over, joins: @preaction, +crythias, vidar__ 02:18 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #webgui [] 02:52 -!- perlm [n=chatzill@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #webgui 02:53 -!- perlm [n=chatzill@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit [Client Quit] 02:55 -!- perlm [n=chatzill@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #webgui 02:55 -!- perlm [n=chatzill@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit [Client Quit] 03:01 -!- perlm [n=chatzill@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #webgui 03:05 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Radix@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 03:09 -!- perlm [n=chatzill@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/0000000000]"] 03:11 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #webgui 03:44 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 03:50 -!- Radix-Work [n=Radix@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 03:50 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Radix@203.161.68.67] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:39 < Radix-Work> lol - Someone's not a happy chappy - "I started this thread more than three years ago. I do not even work at the same company any more nor do I use WebGui any longer. Lets let it die." 04:40 <@preaction> whoa 04:40 < Radix-Work> http://www.plainblack.com/etcetera/using_collateral_image_in_style/4#idaWMnIR3raUfiSM_F8490oA 04:42 < Radix-Work> poor guy.. posted in 2003, and never got an answer until someone asked the same question in response to his thread recently. I responded and now he's annoyed because he finally got a response. 04:46 <@snapcount> I'd be mad too if a group of people spent thousands of hours writing software, gave it away for free, and didn't take the time to answer my questions for free =) 04:47 <@snapcount> I'll never understand why people undervalue FOSS but have expectations for it that rival every piece of closed source software on the planet 04:49 <@preaction> perlbot hubris 04:49 < perlbot> Excessive pride, the sort of thing Zeus zaps you for. Also the quality that makes you write (and maintain) programs that other people won't want to say bad things about. [Also, the thing that makes you write programs to do something that's already been done, because you believe you can do it better --- Wim.] Hence, the third great virtue of a programmer. 08:01 <@snapcount> perlbot perl 08:01 < perlbot> It's Perl (for the language) or perl (for the interpreter) but NEVER PERL! 08:01 <@snapcount> perlbot epoch 08:02 <@preaction> perlbot bbif 08:02 <@preaction> perlbot keywords 08:02 < perlbot> Check out all the things I know: http://www.chrisangell.com/cgi-bin/botkeywords.cgi Don't want to see the port and country TLD facts? http://chrisangell.com/cgi-bin/botkeywords.cgi?noports=1&nocountries=1 08:03 <@preaction> perlbot help 08:03 < perlbot> (fact)::tell (who) about (what)::(what) > (who)::learn (what) as (info)::relearn (fact) as (info)::phone (phone number)::shorten (url)::shorten it::search (module)::docs (module)::perldoc -f (function)::jargon (term)::math::fortune::flip::host (type) (record)::rot13::roll (die)::tempconv (temp)::scramble (foo)::8ball::slap::diss::what time is it::top/bottom (number) karma::geoip (ip) 08:04 <@preaction> phone 9205791030 08:06 <@preaction> fortune 08:06 <@preaction> perlbot fortune 08:06 < perlbot> He who findeth sensuous pleasures in the bodies of lush, hot, pink damsels is not righteous, but he can have a lot more fun. 08:06 <@preaction> perlbot fortune 08:06 < perlbot> Physicists do it with charm. 08:07 < Radix-Work> perlbot fortune 08:07 < perlbot> War is menstruation envy. 08:10 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 08:11 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 08:19 < Radix-Work> perlbot learn Lotto as Lotto is a tax for people who can't do math. 08:19 < perlbot> added Lotto to the database 08:19 < Radix-Work> perlbot lotto 08:19 < perlbot> Lotto is a tax for people who can't do math. 08:31 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:16 <@preaction> perlbot doesn't work 10:16 < perlbot> What do you mean it doesn't work? What happens when you try to run it? What's the output? What's the error message? What did you expect to happen? We need more information to help you. 10:16 <@preaction> perlbot it doesn't work 10:16 < perlbot> Look buddy, doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Be specific! Examples of what doesn't work (or the URL) tend to help too, or pastebin the code 10:38 -!- Radix-Work [n=Radix@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Windows doesn't have users. It has hostages."] 15:20 -!- haardy [i=heini@dyndsl-091-096-091-008.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #webgui 15:45 -!- ckotil [n=newtrino@snare.grnoc.iu.edu] has joined #webgui 15:57 < ckotil> Has anyone created a google sitemap of their webgui site? 15:57 < ckotil> http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=34606 16:35 < Radix_> ckotil, I did.. and I used webgui to generate the sitemap file too 16:36 < Radix_> but since switching to the wre I haven't installed python again and haven't got it going again 16:36 < Radix_> it's on my list of todo's. 16:38 < Radix_> I used the text file method - you can use a snippet with an assetproxy to a navigation object with a blank template - and return mime type text. 16:38 < Radix_> then use their sitemap_gen.py script 17:03 < ckotil> what are the settings for the navigation asset? start at root, navigate down to infinity? 17:03 < Radix_> I think that's what I used yeah 17:04 < ckotil> awesome. thanks 17:04 < Radix_> np :) 17:04 < ckotil> i thought about doing it that way, but i figured i had to whip up a template to output the XML 17:04 < ckotil> so i tried the python script, but couldnt get a working config.xml file 17:05 < Radix_> nah.. snippets and assetproxy combo's are great like that 17:05 < ckotil> ya, ive used them a few times in my site. 17:05 < ckotil> which is FINALLY going live tomorrow. thats when the DNS is scheduled to change 17:05 < Radix_> woot.. congrats :) 17:05 < ckotil> thanks. 18:07 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has joined #webgui 18:07 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 18:39 < ckotil> is there a way for me to find out what is causing this workflow error? 18:39 < ckotil> 2006/11/06 23:35:27 - ERROR - spectre.conf - Spectre::Workflow::suspendInstance[387] - WORKFLOW: Workflow instance HMwVOhVuAtM9yEYNrVR6qw has failed to execute 5 times in a row and will no longer attempt to execute. 19:08 -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat052.mxim.com] has joined #webgui 19:08 -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ 19:08 <+perlDreamer> hey guys, a quick reminder 19:08 <+perlDreamer> please rerun the test suite after making changes to core code 19:08 <+perlDreamer> over the last week, most of the Macro tests have been broken 19:08 <+perlDreamer> the Session/Scratch test was broken last night 19:15 -!- Hawkaloogie [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui 19:15 < Hawkaloogie> PARTY AT JT's HOUSE 19:16 -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat052.mxim.com] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] 19:22 -!- [1]haardy [i=heini@dyndsl-091-096-091-008.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #webgui 19:36 -!- [2]haardy [i=heini@dyndsl-091-096-091-008.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #webgui 19:40 -!- haardy [i=heini@dyndsl-091-096-091-008.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:40 -!- [2]haardy is now known as haardy 19:43 -!- [2]haardy [i=heini@dyndsl-091-096-091-008.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #webgui 19:53 -!- [1]haardy [i=heini@dyndsl-091-096-091-008.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:58 -!- haardy [i=heini@dyndsl-091-096-091-008.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:58 -!- [2]haardy is now known as haardy 20:17 -!- [1]haardy [i=heini@dyndsl-091-096-091-208.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #webgui 20:35 -!- haardy [i=heini@dyndsl-091-096-091-008.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 20:35 -!- [1]haardy is now known as haardy 22:26 < ckotil> why does the rebuildLineage.pl script fail at? Cleaning up...OK 22:26 < ckotil> Don't forget to clear your cache. 22:26 < ckotil> DBI connect('webgui;host=127.0.0.1','webgui',...) failed: (no error string) at ../lib/WebGUI/SQL.pm line 318 22:27 < ckotil> well i know how to fix it. but i dunno why the parameters dont get passed properly 22:27 < ckotil> i have to set... 22:27 < ckotil> my $dsn = shift; 22:27 < ckotil> my $user = shift; 22:27 < ckotil> my $pass = shift; 22:27 < ckotil> to the real values. 22:37 -!- [1]haardy [i=heini@dynadsl-080-228-88-027.ewetel.net] has joined #webgui 22:40 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #webgui 22:43 < perlm> How's the bug stomping going, Preaction? 22:53 -!- haardy [i=heini@dyndsl-091-096-091-208.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:53 -!- [1]haardy is now known as haardy --- Day changed Wed Nov 08 2006 00:57 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 01:18 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #webgui 01:20 < perlm> I'm trying to lay out a preliminary architecture for an application based on WebGUI. How do you have the user interact with one asset on a page layout and have the results show up in another asset, in that same page layout, preferrabely with AJAX? Just an idea of the parts of WebGUI which would do this is all I'm asking for. 01:24 < perlm> Is there some sort of event handler? A message handler? 01:25 < perlm> Or does all asset communication have to be custom developed or through the DB? 01:26 -!- haardy [i=heini@dynadsl-080-228-88-027.ewetel.net] has quit [" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Go on, try it!"] 01:27 < Radix_> perlm: you can use scratch variables for that purpose 01:35 < perlm> But there is no Javascript messaging system where one asset can tell another to update itself via an Ajax request? 01:37 < Radix_> no idea sorry 02:06 < perlm> Can anyone remember off the top of their head a Macro that interacts with the Session object I can use as example code? 02:07 < perlm> Nevermind, it appears most of them do :) 03:05 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Radix@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 03:13 < perlm> I've learned two things. The session object is not an inside-out object, and from a macro, I have no idea how to gain access to an asset not from the Macro asset (and I can't find any accessor methods in the docs). 03:16 < perlm> $session->asset->getId(); # returns an idea different from the Article Asset ID from the Properties page. 03:16 < perlm> s/idea/id/ 04:05 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 04:05 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythia1] by ChanServ 04:09 < Radix-wrk> wow.. we're up to 10 people in this channel (excluding 2 dupes) 04:12 <+crythia1> oopsies 04:12 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 04:13 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has joined #webgui 04:13 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 06:12 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #webgui [] 06:26 -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-72-87-43-245.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has joined #webgui 06:26 -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ 06:26 <+perlDreamer> anybody awake tonight? 06:43 -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-72-87-43-245.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] 06:49 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 08:31 <@preaction> ckotil, enact.sonoma.edu? 11:04 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Radix@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Windows doesn't have users. It has hostages."] 12:20 -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@224.248.95.24.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 12:24 -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@224.248.95.24.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui 12:24 -!- mode/#webgui [+o snapcount] by ChanServ 13:33 -!- haardy [i=heini@dynadsl-080-228-88-027.ewetel.net] has joined #webgui 17:18 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@d-ip-129-15-97-108.oulan-south.ou.edu] has joined #webgui 17:19 < perlm> In a Macro, can you use the session object to access a reference to an asset besides the one the macro was inside of? 22:29 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@d-ip-129-15-97-108.oulan-south.ou.edu] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 22:46 <+crythias> ain't no sunshine when she's gone... --- Day changed Thu Nov 09 2006 00:20 <@preaction> after 6 hours of dealing with the Beaurocracy, I finally get to do some work 00:20 <+crythias> mmkay 00:20 <+crythias> heh. 00:20 <+crythias> I just found out I could get an iMac for $55 00:21 <+crythias> oops 00:21 <+crythias> Google sends out kama sutra worm 00:28 <@preaction> iMac like the desktopp one? the little cute thing? 00:28 <+crythias> yeah the old one 00:30 <+crythias> http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?InvtId=IM333-RAS-1B&cm_mmc=Froogle-_-DesktopComputers-_-Apple/MacintoshComputers-_-IM333-RAS-1B 00:47 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has left #webgui [] 02:21 <@preaction> snapcount, remember what I said about the secret admirers? Frank's got one bad ;) 02:21 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 02:21 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythia1] by ChanServ 02:22 <@snapcount> is it a hot chick? 02:23 <@preaction> no, it's a Mac OSX junky 02:23 <@preaction> i mean, they're never hot 02:23 <@preaction> look at JT 02:23 * preaction & back to tedious technical writing 02:23 <+crythia1> and that guy from the fly 02:26 <+crythia1> http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000156/ 02:51 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Radix@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 03:19 -!- crythia2 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 03:30 -!- crythia3 [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has joined #webgui 03:30 -!- crythia2 is now known as crythias 03:30 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 03:32 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 03:33 -!- crythias is now known as crythia4 03:33 -!- crythia4 is now known as crythias 03:37 -!- crythias is now known as DONBH8N 03:38 * DONBH8N ME. 03:38 <+DONBH8N> hrm 03:38 <+DONBH8N> wonderfulness 03:38 < Radix-wrk> ? 03:39 <+DONBH8N> I can't believe it's not butter. 03:39 <+DONBH8N> No, really. 03:39 < Radix-wrk> its not.. it's irc 03:39 <+DONBH8N> I'm soaking in it. 03:39 <+DONBH8N> two great tastes that taste great together. 03:39 <+DONBH8N> By Whamo. 03:40 <+DONBH8N> Think Different. 03:40 <+DONBH8N> good to the last drop. 03:40 < Radix-wrk> Don't worry.. there are some men with white coats ready to take you away to your new room. 03:40 <+DONBH8N> the quicker picker upper. 03:41 <+DONBH8N> It's the economy, stupid. 03:41 <+DONBH8N> I'll buy that for a dollar. 03:42 <+DONBH8N> Believe it! 03:42 <+DONBH8N> It's what's for dinner. 03:43 <+DONBH8N> Always. 03:44 < Radix-wrk> preaction/snapcount: PB website is broken ;) - "^AssetProxy(pb-redesign-2006/nav);" 03:45 <+DONBH8N> yeah, it's bug'd at least twice. 03:45 < Radix-wrk> http://www.plainblack.com/install/upgrade_help 03:45 < Radix-wrk> looks like the collaboration object style is different from the parent page 03:46 <+DONBH8N> just.. why is not support contract a link on the um... support page? 03:48 -!- vidar__ [i=gudjon@157.157.215.202] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 06:30 -!- DONBH8N [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 06:48 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #webgui 06:50 < perlm> Say I've got a data entry asset on a page layout and depending on what the user submits in that asset, I want an article asset with a macro in it to display data based on the submission from the data asset. How does the Macro know the submitted data from the data asset? Does the session object have it? Through the DB? 06:56 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 07:45 < Hawkaloogie> damnit, you have to stay longer than 6 minutes... 08:01 < Radix-wrk> I'd love to know the answer myself.. only way I know of is using scratch variables 08:02 < Radix-wrk> perlbot help 08:02 < perlbot> (fact)::tell (who) about (what)::(what) > (who)::learn (what) as (info)::relearn (fact) as (info)::phone (phone number)::shorten (url)::shorten it::search (module)::docs (module)::perldoc -f (function)::jargon (term)::math::fortune::flip::host (type) (record)::rot13::roll (die)::tempconv (temp)::scramble (foo)::8ball::slap::diss::what time is it::top/bottom (number) karma::geoip (ip) 08:03 < Radix-wrk> Hmm.. perlbot needs a greet function.. then you could leave him his answer when he next logs in :) 08:26 -!- Hawkaloogie [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:31 -!- Hawkaloogie [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui 08:46 <@preaction> you could use a scratch variable, you could put a DataForm field containing the user's name (or the user's session, or whatever) 08:46 <@preaction> a user profile field even? 09:31 -!- fami [n=fami@unaffiliated/fami] has joined #webgui 09:47 < Radix-wrk> ahh.. neat.. hadnt thought of those 10:07 -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@224.248.95.24.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:10 -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@224.248.95.24.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui 10:10 -!- mode/#webgui [+o snapcount] by ChanServ 10:36 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Radix@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Windows doesn't have users. It has hostages."] 12:04 -!- maxscience [n=maxscien@85-18-14-23.fastres.net] has joined #webgui 12:16 < maxscience> hi 12:16 < maxscience> I need help :) 12:29 -!- fami [n=fami@unaffiliated/fami] has left #webgui [] 12:46 < Radix_> ask.. and wait 12:46 < Radix_> we're all on diff time zones here.. so you may have to wait a bit.. but be patient and ye will be rewarded ;) 13:21 < maxscience> :P 13:22 < maxscience> http://www.plainblack.com/install/upgrade_help/errors-upgrading-from-7_1_3-to-7_2_0 13:22 < maxscience> http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/errors-upgrading-from-7_1_3 14:38 -!- [1]haardy [i=heini@dynadsl-080-228-88-027.ewetel.net] has joined #webgui 14:44 -!- haardy [i=heini@dynadsl-080-228-88-027.ewetel.net] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 14:44 -!- [1]haardy is now known as haardy 15:55 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #webgui 16:28 < Radix_> maxscience, Sorry.. not done an upgrade to 7.13 yet, let alone 7.20 - waiting for it to all stabilise first before I upgrade our server here 16:28 < maxscience> :( 16:29 < maxscience> But do you know how to manually force missing parts of the upgrade to rerun? 16:29 < Radix_> safer to roll back and redo it 16:30 < Radix_> try manually rm -rf /tmp/WebGUICache first 16:30 < maxscience> I manually copied the backed up WebGUI dir over the new one and rerun the update. But it said no updates were necessary 16:30 < Radix_> Personally though.. I'd wait until 7.2 goes stable again.. and not bother until then 16:30 < Radix_> err.. you need to restore the database too 16:31 < Radix_> or did you copy the entire /data dir? 16:31 < maxscience> yeah! But till now I supposed that the webguiupdate script of the WRE did also backup the database... 16:31 < maxscience> it doesn't? 16:31 < maxscience> no I just copied the WebGUI dir 16:31 < Radix_> that doesn't include the database then 16:32 < Radix_> the database is in /data/wre/prereqs/mysql 16:32 < Radix_> ideally you should have a mysqldump of it as well as your /data/ dir backup 16:32 < maxscience> yeah I know but I didn't manually backup the database because I thought webguiupdate script did it 16:32 < Radix_> it does.. but I forget offhand where it puts it.. 16:33 < maxscience> mmh :( When it ask where to backup, it's /data/wre/var 16:34 < Radix_> I've never relied on the webgui update backup.. always done my own 16:36 < Radix_> it stores them in /tmp/backups 16:36 < Radix_> unless you specify another dir to put them in 16:37 < Radix_> well.. that's the perl upgrade script anyway.. the wre backup is stored where you specify it 16:37 < maxscience> and the wre backup does mysql backups too? 16:38 < Radix_> the wre update script only seems to copy the /data/WebGUI/etc dir to the dir you specify 16:38 < Radix_> it runs the normal perl upgrade script tho.. so it should've made db backups in /tmp/backups 16:39 < Radix_> of course if you've rebooted since.. your /tmp dir may have been wiped clean already 16:39 < maxscience> no it's there hopefully! mydomain_com_7.1.3.sql 16:40 < Radix_> cool :) 16:40 < Radix_> restore that sql then.. and hopefully you'll get your old db back 16:40 < maxscience> so now I just have to drop the actual mysql db and reload it with the .sql file? 16:40 < Radix_> that's what I'd do.. it might drop them automatically in the sql file tho 16:41 < maxscience> ok thx :) 16:41 < Radix_> np 16:55 -!- Hawkaloogie [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:25 <@preaction> 7.2.1 should be more stable than 7.1.3, and the attitude of "i'll update when it's stable" hurts stability, because it won't get run on a whole bunch of different system until it's "stable", and it won't be stable until it can run on a whole bunch of different systems 17:25 <@preaction> but the decision to tag "stable" is JT's, so we'll leave it to him 17:44 < ckotil> should i upgrade if im taking a site live tomorrow? currently on 7.1.3 17:54 <@preaction> it works now? if i were you i wouldn't. i'd Always (whether tagged "stable" or not) update the dev server and test before bringing live 17:54 <@preaction> if it works now, and you're releasing tomorrow, i'd wait, do the release, and then update the dev server and see how the latest goes with your site 17:55 <@preaction> basically every week, or every couple weeks, keep your dev server updated, then when you can, update production 17:56 <@preaction> you'll have to figure out a routine for moving the wG source and running the sbin/upgrade.pl script 18:09 < crythia3> grr 18:11 < crythia3> look, I [think I] understand linear upgrade path, but ... seriously? 20 bug fixes in a Beta doesn't inspire confidence. 18:12 < maxscience> indeed 18:13 < crythia3> I wonder what's a better business decision/model: dump whatever the heck or do custom programming for the people who want it/pay for it, and let the stable-users get.. oh, I don't know.. stable releases? 18:14 < crythia3> why the heck do we bother with beta releases? Why not simply tell people to get the latest svn nightly build? 18:27 < maxscience> a better decision model would just be to be nice to users reporting bugs and giving feedback instead than yelling at them... Those nerds need to go to the countryside a little bit lol 18:29 < ckotil> kthx 18:29 < ckotil> ill bring up the dev server to 7.2 18:29 < ckotil> ;] 18:31 < ckotil> most people know what a beta is. a small fraction know about nightly svn builds 18:38 < crythia3> and the difference to people who actually run WebGUI in production is...? 19:01 < maxscience> the result is that I have my install screwed up now... 19:19 < perlm> when you hit submit in one asset, is there anyway for another asset to see what was submitted via the API, or must the DB be checked? 19:44 < perlm> If I shouldn't be asking these questions here, would someone let me know? 19:44 < ckotil> this is good place to ask. it just takes time to get answers 19:45 < ckotil> plainblack support forum is goo dtoo 19:45 < ckotil> i just dont know the answer ;] 19:46 < perlm> thanks ckotil, I just didn't want it to be the case where everyone was quietly ignoring me hoping I'd go away. 20:17 -!- maxscience [n=maxscien@85-18-14-23.fastres.net] has left #webgui [] 20:24 -!- jZed [n=chatzill@dsl093-039-031.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #webgui 20:25 < jZed> hi, I am wanting to play with WebGui on my home debian etch box that already has a ton of perl / apache / mysl stuff ... 20:25 < jZed> can I install the WRE but leave my existing installs intact? 20:31 < perlm> I was under the impression that the WRE was a seperate Perl env. 20:31 < jZed> so maybe install debian on a different partition and put webgui there? 20:31 < perlm> But WebGUI doesn't interfer with your current install. It may require additional CPAN modules, but you don't have to change Perl params. 20:32 < perlm> the biggest problem you might have is with the virtual host settings in Apache. 20:32 < perlm> Luckily I have two domains pointing at my server and had WebGUI answer the surplus one. But you can hax that by editing your /etc/hosts file. 20:33 < jZed> WRE won't mess with paths etc so it will use its own perl and @INC and I can keep using my other perl installs 20:33 < jZed> hmm, couldn't I just have my current apache on port 80 and stick the webgui apache on some other port? 20:33 < ckotil> yes 20:34 < perlm> I am not positive as I didn't install it. I'm new to WebGUI myself, so can't really answer that. 20:34 < ckotil> simply edit the webgui.conf file in/data/etc 20:34 < jZed> cool 20:34 < perlm> run two instances of apache? sure, that would work to 20:35 < perlm> but virtual hosts are much more sexy 20:35 < jZed> ok, so as long as I have my configs right, I can put webgui in the same partition, and not have it interfere with either my current perl or apache setup? 20:35 < jZed> yeah, sure virtual hosts 20:40 < perlm> I'm running WebGUI on my server in a virtual host and it has zero effect on the many other webapps I'm also running. 20:41 < jZed> ok, that answers the apache side, what about perl, do you have multiple perls? 20:43 < jZed> .oO(I suppose from your nick, you do) 20:45 < jZed> webgui sounds like it scales, anyone know the heaviest-traffic / most complex site using it? 20:47 < jZed> the success stories on plainBlack seem to be small to medium sites 21:04 < perlm> it is mod_perl. I imagine you'd be mem bound before you'd be CPU bound. Which means you should know about SQUID :) 21:04 < perlm> I only have one instance of Perl (5.8.8) which everything shares happily. 21:05 -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: jZed, crythia3 21:06 -!- Netsplit over, joins: jZed, crythia3 21:07 <@preaction> jZed, currently a place called DonorWare is running an slew of virtual hosts using wG on a server farm. they're using db caching, nfs mounts, and load balancers. 21:09 <@preaction> i believe they have a load sharing between two servers running about 10 sites + 9 ssl versions 21:09 <@preaction> i've watched, httpd only gets above 5% CPU load when it's restarting, otherwise a calm 2-3% 21:10 <@preaction> i don't know the specs on those boxen though 21:11 < perlm> WebGUI has an easy to use performance feature. It will show you how long it took to render a page. So you can do some testing of your own. 21:12 < perlm> have multiple LWP bots traverse your site and track the page load time to get a metric. 21:12 <@preaction> there's a program called "siege" that can do that for you 21:12 < perlm> nice 21:13 < perlm> okay, I've got to head into the office for a meeting. Laters 21:13 <@preaction> have fun 21:14 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 21:21 < jZed> great, thanks for the pointer to DonorWare 21:22 < jZed> btw, I got a strong recommendation to use webgui from one of the top developers in Venezuela! so kudos. 21:28 <@preaction> it is the awesome, and as the newest developer hired by plainblack, i intend to make it more the awesome 21:29 <@preaction> plus with these more developers, roy can work less on support and more on making the awesome 21:32 < jZed> looks like a fantastic project 21:33 <@preaction> it is, i'm ecstatic that i'm getting paid to be a part of it ;) 21:33 < jZed> congrats! 21:33 <@preaction> there's the tedious crap, like trying to upgrade donorware since they INSIST on using the 6.2 and 6.8 versions :p 21:34 <@preaction> (so your 7.1 or 7.2 should be even faster than donorware's) 21:34 < jZed> nice, I won't need performance right away but I gotta know it will scale really big 21:35 < jZed> it looks fairly easy to make plugins too, that will be important 21:35 <@preaction> yes, there are provided skeletons, and the list of required methods is very small 21:36 <@preaction> something you might get tripped up on is the way wG implements content-chunking (apache bit-buckets) 21:36 <@preaction> the prepareView / View / www_view methods 21:36 <@preaction> but that's what we're here for, the forums are there for, etc... 21:37 < jZed> yeah, community is the key 21:38 < jZed> in the past I've rolled my own with Mason but this looks like it provides more out of the box but is still extensible 21:39 < jZed> any reason it isn't on CPAN? 21:39 <@preaction> configuration handling is the biggest thing. it will draw, process, and provide accessors for whatever configuration you want 21:39 <@preaction> that's a good question actually, maybe because it's on sourceforge 21:40 < jZed> I have stuff on both (i.e. the same stuff on both) 21:41 <@preaction> maybe because there's already a slew of them on cpan? i dunno man 21:41 < jZed> I recommend it 21:41 <@preaction> maybe just lost in the shuffle 21:41 <@preaction> but it would be more publicity (and we seem to be getting a bunch these days) 21:42 < jZed> that way if I get involved my team and I can contribute plugins the standard CPAN way 21:42 <@preaction> maybe that's why: it takes the namespaces out of plainblack control 21:42 < jZed> but I'm just kibbitzing :-) 21:42 <@preaction> there's nothing, of course, preventing you from doing that... 21:42 <@preaction> hmm... i should write a post to the dev list about it 21:43 <@preaction> or maybe look through the archives, someone might've suggested it already 21:43 < jZed> you could do something like DBI does ... Tim assigns prefixes for DBD authors, only the assigned prefixes are guaranteed to work 21:43 <@preaction> DBIx and DBDx 21:43 <@preaction> i get it 21:43 <@preaction> WebGUIx 21:43 < jZed> yeah something like that 21:44 <@preaction> would make contributing custom stuff that much easier, the current plainblack site has contributions, none of which are newer than a few years 21:45 < jZed> I haven't looked, is the database stuff straight DBI or Class::DBI ror DBIx::Class? 21:45 < jZed> or your own? 21:45 <@preaction> it's a wrapper on DBI 21:46 <@preaction> WebGUI only support MySQL, so it's almost superfluous to use DBI 21:46 < jZed> does it provide db objects? 21:47 <@preaction> it's in there somewhere, if there's a well-documented accessor for it, dunno 21:47 <@preaction> might be a $wGsql->{_dbh} sort of thing 21:48 < jZed> no, I don't mean getting the database handle object, I mean objects for tables etc. ala Class::DBI 21:48 <@preaction> no, straight SQL / DBI stuff 21:48 <@preaction> you could use Class::DBI though 21:49 < jZed> personally, I'm a straight DBI guy but some of the other team prefer the Object wrappers/mappers 21:50 <@preaction> i prefer my own wrapper that provides generic get/set/find/delete methods (the find method is unbelievably complex, taken from DBIx::Abstract iirc) 21:50 <@preaction> but since most DBs are layed out with a key for each row, all you need are those four functions 21:51 < jZed> DBIx::Abstract++ 21:51 <@preaction> indeed 21:51 <@preaction> admittedly: i have to do two calls for normal search functions, a find() and a get() (because find() only returns IDs) 21:52 <@preaction> but find() could be modified to accept a columns => parameter 21:52 <@preaction> anyway, that's in a past-life, when I wrote my own webapp framework 21:52 < jZed> yeah, or presumably we could subclass your Database.pm and roll our own 21:52 <@preaction> (which surprisingly is a lot like wG was in its infancy) 21:52 <@preaction> that also 21:52 <@preaction> you just increase your dependencies 21:53 < jZed> how are sessions handled? in the db or memcached? 21:53 <@preaction> i'm of the type who hates dependencies, even though wG currently has a whole lot of them 21:53 <@preaction> db 21:53 < jZed> yeah, I agree about dependencies 21:54 < jZed> but I'm gonna have some specific and heavy database needs 21:54 <@preaction> that's another thing i wanted to take a look at, opening sessions is currently the most costly operation wG does often 21:54 < jZed> we had problems with sessions data swamping the db previously 21:54 <@preaction> sometimes a single page load can cause three or four sessions to be opened (for various functions) 21:56 <@preaction> actually, i'm not sure about that. they might be cached somewhere 21:57 <@preaction> i mean, it's mod_perl, so we're technically stateful, so we can keep info like that in memory 21:57 <@preaction> maybe that's why Apache2::SizeLimit is a requirement, the session memory cache gets too large 22:00 < jZed> my CTO is asking about blogs, got a URL I can point hm to? 22:01 <@preaction> start a demo site from http://demo.plainblack.com, create a Collaboration System wobject, and choose the "Blog Layout" under Collaboration System Layout in the Display Tab 22:01 <@preaction> the collab system can do just about any forum-style, thread-like type of site 22:02 < jZed> cool, thanks 22:03 <@preaction> (or something like that, I'm not good with the off-the-cuff answers yet) 22:13 < jZed> ok, well we got lost in creating the collab thing, might want a screenshot of a blog on the site 22:14 < jZed> looks amazing though 22:15 < jZed> can't figure out how to display the blog once it's created, oh well I can muddle through ... 22:15 < jZed> oh there it is 22:18 <@preaction> i believe that new wobjects are hidden from navigation by default, that's on the display tab iirc 22:18 <@preaction> otherwise the navigation usually fills in new assets/wobjects automagically 22:19 < jZed> yeah, I found the display tab and then the new, and then remembered to scroll down on the news page :-) 22:20 < jZed> I'm better at designing these things than using 'em :-) 22:20 <@preaction> likewise 22:21 <@preaction> remember too, that your demo is active for 24 hours, but if you log out without committing the new collab system, your visitors wont see it 22:21 <@preaction> the committing version tags thing still throws me 22:21 < jZed> yeah I committed 22:21 <@preaction> http://tryruby.hobix.com/ <- why doesn't Perl have something awesome like this? 22:21 * preaction wants Perl6 in the worst possible way 22:22 < jZed> um, you could write that app in a one-liner in perl, it isn't on the web because it would be too easy for someone to shoot themselves in the foot :-) 22:23 <@preaction> nono, i meant more of the tutorial thing 22:23 <@preaction> the walk-through, interactive tutorial 22:23 < jZed> oh, haven't tried that 22:23 <@preaction> type "help" into it 22:23 <@preaction> it walks you through it 22:23 < jZed> oh, that *is* nice 22:29 <@preaction> a javascript frontend, with an ajax call to a perl interpreter 22:29 <@preaction> prebuilt module objects 22:29 <@preaction> hmm... something to put in my notebook of WONDERFUL IDEAS 22:35 < jZed> I'd use it 22:35 <@preaction> if i build it awesomely enough, it could be used for perl6 as well 22:35 <@preaction> but i have a whole EventsCalendar to rewrite first 22:38 -!- [1]haardy [i=heini@dynadsl-080-228-90-216.ewetel.net] has joined #webgui 22:39 < jZed> you could write a webgui interactive demo for it (combine them $ and WONDERFUL IDEAS, best of both worlds) 22:40 <@preaction> that'd be flash, i can't develop flash because i can't afford it (and i run ubuntu, no good flash tools for linux yet) 22:40 < jZed> yep 22:41 <@preaction> but, wG and plainblack are active in the local perl communities, i'm sure one of their sites would like it, perhaps madmongers, or this new whyperl site i saw JT and steve discussing the other day 22:42 < jZed> you could add in some of the perlmonks chatterbox widgets like perldoc://function_name 22:42 < jZed> or cpan://module_name 22:42 <@preaction> this is getting to be some sort of new hotness site 22:43 <@preaction> nah, there's already annocpan 22:43 <@preaction> annocpan rules, and needs more contributers 22:44 <@preaction> in fact, to be honest, the entire perl website community needs to be updated for "WEB 2.0" (buzzword is hilariously ironic) 22:44 <@preaction> it's almost like Perl is an old-man's tool :( 22:44 < jZed> you're preaching to the choir, my last gig was 80% AJAX and 20% Perl 22:44 < jZed> JSON rules 22:45 <@preaction> i'm not hooked on JSON yet, why not yaml or something? 22:46 <@preaction> JSON is ... cranky... an extra , will set it off 22:46 < jZed> because your perl backend can send JSON to an AJAX callback and the callback has a JavaScript structure it can pour into a display widget wtihout messing with any decoding 22:46 -!- haardy [i=heini@dynadsl-080-228-88-027.ewetel.net] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 22:46 -!- [1]haardy is now known as haardy 22:47 < jZed> you basically write all your JavaScript structures in perl 22:47 <@preaction> or you could use XML / XSL / and XPath 22:47 <@preaction> WebGUI has just started using Yui as a standard JS library, so there should be all sorts of fun things we can do with ajax and the like now 22:47 < jZed> no no no, then you have to do something with it to get it into JavaScript 22:47 <@preaction> okay, i get it now 22:48 < jZed> I mean, sure there are uses for XML but lots of stuff you don't need that step 22:48 <@preaction> you'd have to have a JS function that would use those DOM tools to get things 22:49 < jZed> no, suppose you have a JS display widget that expects an AOH, you create the AOH in perl, wrap it in JSON with one line and send it to the callback whch just hands it to the widget 22:49 < jZed> no parsing or DOM walking at all 22:50 <@preaction> exactly 22:50 <@preaction> i was saying that, instead of using json, you'd have to do what i said 22:50 <@preaction> which is more work 22:50 < jZed> ah, I see, right 22:52 <@preaction> anyway, seriously, i have to rewrite wG's events calendar (which currently is the suck) and I have 11 days to do it (but it will be completely the awesome) 22:52 * preaction & working 22:53 < jZed> excellent, I need that, if you want a tester, email me at jzucker@cpan.org 22:53 < jZed> thanks for all the info 22:53 <@preaction> np 22:54 <@preaction> i need to get my new server, so i can have a web-facing dev server again 22:54 <@preaction> no, no no, i must not IRC, i must not IM, i must WORK... good gravy i'm easily distracted 22:54 < jZed> same here, talk to you later 22:57 -!- jZed [n=chatzill@dsl093-039-031.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/0000000000]"] 22:57 -!- jZe1 [n=jeff@dsl093-039-031.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #webgui 23:13 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@d-ip-129-15-97-108.oulan-south.ou.edu] has joined #webgui 23:17 -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@224.248.95.24.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 23:44 < jZe1> do you folks have a bug-tracking system somewhere or should I file it here? 23:47 < jZe1> this page http://www.plainblack.com/wre/installing says to decompress the binary but when you run /sbin/setup it asks "Please type the path to the file" : a) you should mention which file and b) it is expecting an compressed wre-version.tar.gz not an uncompressed one like in the docs 23:56 -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@224.248.95.24.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui 23:56 -!- mode/#webgui [+o snapcount] by ChanServ 23:58 -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui 23:58 -!- mode/#webgui [+o rizen] by ChanServ --- Day changed Fri Nov 10 2006 00:00 <@preaction> rizen, durnit, now you got me curious... 00:08 <@rizen> sorry about that 00:09 <@rizen> is anyone actually here 00:09 <@rizen> or is everyone just squatting? 00:09 <@preaction> yes'm 00:10 <@preaction> i shouldn't be, i should be working 00:10 < jZe1> I'm an outsider in the middle of an install, if you folks wants some privacy I'll leave 00:10 <@preaction> nono, this is community place 00:10 < jZe1> thanks 00:10 <@preaction> i dunno why chanserv autoops me, the freenode way is usually ops only appear when something goes very wrong 00:11 <@preaction> and i think only roy and/or rizen have the real chanserv access 00:12 -!- jZe1 is now known as jZed 00:18 < jZed> when sbin/setup asks "Please type the path to the file" what file does it want? 00:18 <@preaction> that's a good question, lemme see 00:19 <@rizen> the full path to the webgui-x.x.x-stable.tar.gz 00:19 <@rizen> that you've supposedly already downloaded 00:19 <@rizen> because you chose not to get it from a mirror 00:19 < jZed> right, but in order to run sbin/setup, you've already unpacked the tar.gz 00:19 <@preaction> jZed, it doesn't have the WebGUI part, just the WRE 00:20 <@rizen> yes, the WRE and WebGUI are two seperate systems 00:20 < jZed> so it wants e.g /data/wre or /data/wre-version.tar.gz 00:20 <@rizen> the WRE doesn't come with WebGUI 00:20 <@rizen> no 00:20 <@rizen> it doesn't want the path to the WRE 00:20 <@rizen> it wants the path to WebGUI 00:20 <@preaction> jZed, no, it wants webgui-7.1.3-stable.tar.gz or whatever 00:20 <@rizen> rather a webgui tarball 00:22 < jZed> I went to the site, i clicked download, it sent me to wre-version.tar.gz 00:22 < jZed> neither it nor the install instructions refer to a webgui...tar.gz 00:23 <@rizen> since you arent' listening to what we've told you 00:23 <@rizen> then the best way i can help you is to tell you to start over 00:23 <@rizen> delete the /data/wre folder 00:23 <@rizen> decomrpress again 00:23 <@rizen> and when you run setup this time 00:23 <@rizen> just chose mirror 00:24 <@rizen> don't choose local 00:24 < jZed> ok, but I still don't see any webgui.tar.gz :-) 00:25 < jZed> thanks 00:26 <@rizen> forget it 00:26 -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [] 00:28 <@preaction> you'll download it when you choose "mirror" 00:28 -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@224.248.95.24.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:28 <@preaction> and the reason you have to delete / reinstall is because the setup script is borked. that's why the WRE is in the 0.* series 00:28 < jZed> no problem 00:29 <@preaction> the WRE is also completely JT's domain for now, the rest of us have too much on our plates with wG proper 00:46 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@d-ip-129-15-97-108.oulan-south.ou.edu] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 01:01 -!- jZed [n=jeff@dsl093-039-031.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has left #webgui [] 01:48 -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@224.248.95.24.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui 01:48 -!- mode/#webgui [+o snapcount] by ChanServ 02:53 -!- jZe1 [n=jeff@dsl093-039-031.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #webgui 04:10 -!- jZe1 [n=jeff@dsl093-039-031.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has left #webgui [] 05:26 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #webgui 06:28 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 16:05 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@host1.procolix.nl] has joined #webgui 16:05 -!- mode/#webgui [+v MrHairgrease] by ChanServ 16:05 <+MrHairgrease> roy 16:06 <+MrHairgrease> or doug 16:06 <+MrHairgrease> are you guys there? 16:07 < Radix_> hi martin.. ain't heard from him in a while 16:08 < Radix_> last thing he said was about 14 hours ago 16:11 <+MrHairgrease> ah 16:11 <+MrHairgrease> that explains something =) 16:11 <+MrHairgrease> is anybody using the latest svn checkout? 16:12 <+MrHairgrease> or 7.2.1? 16:12 < Radix_> not me 16:12 <+MrHairgrease> ok 16:12 < Radix_> I was going to ask a question too.. 16:12 <+MrHairgrease> the admin bar won't show up 16:12 <+MrHairgrease> so I wondering if it's broken 16:12 <+MrHairgrease> or if I'm just being dumb =) 16:12 <+MrHairgrease> what is it? 16:12 < Radix_> anyone using the rss syndication to show up flickr rss feeds? - it seems to stop after the first

section ends.. 16:13 <+MrHairgrease> no 16:13 <+MrHairgrease> not me 16:13 < Radix_> might have to look at the code.. see if I can figure out why 16:13 <+MrHairgrease> do you have a url to the feed? 16:13 < Radix_> http://api.flickr.com/services/feeds/photos_public.gne?id=90355682@N00&format=rss_200 16:14 <+MrHairgrease> yeah that's the way to go =) 16:14 < Radix_> that's the one I'm using.. my photo collection :) 16:14 <+MrHairgrease> ok 16:14 <+MrHairgrease> I'll have a look later this day 16:14 < Radix_> it stops after 'posted a photo

' and never puts the photo 16:15 < Radix_> cool 16:15 <+MrHairgrease> It might be due to the fact that the xml parser also parses the html tags 16:15 <+MrHairgrease> i'm not sure 16:15 <+MrHairgrease> but I can imagine that it is something like that 16:16 < Radix_> yeah.. I suspect so too.. though I wouldn't know how to fix it if it was :) 16:16 <+MrHairgrease> me neither 16:17 <+MrHairgrease> I never looked at that code 16:17 <+MrHairgrease> If you can't fix it, just file a bug report =) 16:22 < Radix_> _strip_html($rss) - hmm.. that'd rip out all the img tags and what not.. bet that's what's doing it 16:26 <+MrHairgrease> yeah 16:26 <+MrHairgrease> it sounds like that anyway 16:27 < Radix_> yup 16:27 <+MrHairgrease> you could try to comment thet function 16:27 <+MrHairgrease> and check if it works 16:28 < Radix_> going to give it a try.. but not on our production server.. and I just wiped my laptop to play with windows vista (that was my test server).. hehe 16:28 <+MrHairgrease> that's a wise decission 16:29 <+MrHairgrease> =) 16:29 < Radix_> heh 16:34 <+MrHairgrease> ah fixed it 16:35 <+MrHairgrease> someone borked WebGUI::User 16:57 < Radix_> okey.. grub restored, and ubuntu back up on my laptop.. time to give syndicatedcontent.pm a hack :) 17:06 < Radix_> Hmm.. if I rip that bit out.. then it keeps the html.. but spits it out as text in the feed. converts all the < and > to <'s and >'s even 17:07 <+MrHairgrease> oh that sucks 17:08 <+MrHairgrease> I don't have time to look into it 17:08 <+MrHairgrease> sry 17:08 < Radix_> no probs :) 17:08 <+MrHairgrease> i know =) 17:08 < Radix_> I'll have a further play with it.. bout time I started hacking webgui more anyway 17:09 <+MrHairgrease> it's fun 17:09 <+MrHairgrease> you can win prizes with it =) 17:09 * MrHairgrease pats himeself on the back 17:09 < Radix_> heh 17:38 -!- crythia3 [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:39 <@snapcount> what is borked in wg::user? 17:39 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has joined #webgui 17:39 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 17:41 <+MrHairgrease> nothing special 17:41 <+MrHairgrease> check the latest rev in svn 17:42 <@snapcount> is it that IP restricting admin console thingy 17:45 <+MrHairgrease> yes 17:45 <+MrHairgrease> i didn't have the setting in my conf 17:45 <+MrHairgrease> and the admin bar errored 17:45 <@snapcount> the upgrade script should have put a default one there 17:45 <+MrHairgrease> it should 17:45 <@snapcount> hehe 17:46 <+MrHairgrease> but if you are running a dev environment 17:46 <@snapcount> WebGUI *should* do many things =) 17:46 <+MrHairgrease> that's true 17:46 <+MrHairgrease> most people won't notice it 17:46 <+MrHairgrease> but it's cleaner this way 17:47 <+MrHairgrease> the thing was that the setting was put in in the 7.14->7.20 17:47 <+MrHairgrease> but I updated 17:47 <+MrHairgrease> did a previousVersion.sql 17:47 <+MrHairgrease> and upgraded essentially from 7.2.0 ->7.2.1 17:47 <+MrHairgrease> so it was never run on my env 17:47 <+MrHairgrease> well 17:47 <+MrHairgrease> it doesn't matter that much 18:01 -!- jZed [n=jeff@dsl093-039-031.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #webgui 18:21 < jZed> whaaaa! my apache-fu is not as strong as my perl-fu and I have run the WRE install perhaps 50 times in the last day and still get stumped at mod_perl failed to start, mod_proxy failed to start, Spectre failed to start :-( 18:21 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@host1.procolix.nl] has left #webgui [] 18:22 < jZed> hey, at least I got the WRE MySQL working 18:22 < jZed> I read some forum messages about people with the same problem but not solutions 18:23 < jZed> docs say to check /data/wre/prereqs/apache/logs but there is no such directory since (I believe) apache isn't starting so there are no logs 18:29 -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: jZed, perlbot, ckotil, @snapcount, +crythias, haardy, @preaction, Radix_ 18:30 -!- Netsplit over, joins: @preaction, jZed, +crythias, Radix_, perlbot, ckotil, haardy, @snapcount 18:30 -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: perlbot 18:30 < Radix_> only issue I've ever had with wre mysql was when permissions were not set 18:30 -!- Netsplit over, joins: perlbot 18:30 -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: haardy 18:30 < jZed> MySQL is working fine, it's mod_perl that won't start 18:30 < jZed> and I don't even know how to troubleshoot since there are no logs 18:30 -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: +crythias, @preaction 18:30 < Radix_> check logs in /data/wre/var 18:31 -!- Netsplit over, joins: haardy, @preaction, +crythias 18:31 < Radix_> well.. webgui log is there anyway 18:31 < jZed> yes, it's there and 0 bites since rc.webgui start failed 18:31 < jZed> bytes 18:31 < Radix_> other logs are in /data/wre/prereqs/apache/logs 18:31 < Radix_> try creating the dir if it doesn't exist 18:32 < Radix_> that might be why it's failing to run even 18:32 < jZed> aha! there is wremonitor.log 18:32 < jZed> it says bad hostname ':' 18:33 < jZed> so I guess the hostname is not being set 18:33 < jZed> I am just using localhost since this is my box and no DNS 18:33 < Radix_> wremonitor has always been pretty useless for me.. never used it.. still waiting on a newer wre with a fixed wremonitor myself. 18:34 < Radix_> edit /etc/hosts and add your hostnames there 18:34 < jZed> yeah, already did that as per the docs 18:34 < Radix_> ie. 127.0.0.1 localhost www.mycompany.com mycompany.com 18:34 < jZed> docs say dev.localhost.domain 18:35 < jZed> and wre setup seems to stick the dev. on there 18:35 < Radix_> wierd.. I don't recall that.. and my wre setup didn't 18:37 < jZed> well, hmm, now I get during setup ... Configuring WebGUI... 18:37 < jZed> Use of uninitialized value in subroutine entry at ./setup line 159. 18:37 < jZed> Bad arg length for Socket::inet_ntoa, length is 0, should be 4 at ./setup line 159. 18:37 < jZed> btw, thanks much for your help 18:38 < Radix_> type 'which perl' 18:39 < Radix_> is it returning the /data/wre/prereqs/perl one? or another copy of perl somewhere? 18:39 < jZed> the script should be, my command line is for another perl 18:39 < jZed> yeah the script shebang points at the WRE perl 18:40 < jZed> I've verified that thought they're both 5.8.8 only the wre one has the wre @INCS 18:40 < Radix_> if you don't set up your environment right though - it won't use the wre perl libraries properly 18:41 < Radix_> hence why I asked you to type 'which perl' 18:41 < jZed> which perl is /usr/local/bin/perl 18:41 < Radix_> the wre is far from perfect.. if you use it right it's great, but there are still bugs and gaps 18:42 < Radix_> biggest one is that not all the scripts set their environment properly 18:42 < jZed> yeah and it would be cleaner if I had an extra partition instead of trying to install where I already have perls, mysql, apache, etc 18:42 < Radix_> best way to fix this is to use ". /data/wre/sbin/setenvironment" before you run ANY wre scripts 18:42 < Radix_> it's the only way you can be sure they'll run right 18:42 < jZed> ah, ok, let me try that, thanks 18:42 < Radix_> note that the space between the dot and the path is deliberate 18:43 < Radix_> . /data/wre/sbin/setenvironment 18:43 < jZed> of course it will probably screw up my mason, python, and php stuff, oh well 18:43 < Radix_> no, shouldn't 18:43 < jZed> oh good :-) 18:43 < Radix_> except any other copy of apache you'll need to run on another port address (other than 80/81) 18:44 <+crythias> well.. 18:44 <+crythias> you don't have to. 18:44 <+crythias> I mean, yes, you do.. 18:44 < Radix_> ? 18:44 <+crythias> but you can virtualhost lots of stuff... 18:45 <+crythias> different configs per site. 18:45 < Radix_> yeah, but getting php working for the wre is a bitch 18:45 <+crythias> oh. 18:45 <+crythias> :( 18:45 < Radix_> pardon my french 18:45 <+crythias> bummer. 18:45 < Radix_> mod_php is not included in the distro 18:45 <+crythias> I never tried. 18:45 < jZed> I think I'll try to get webgui working then later I can import parts of my old apache conf into it 18:45 < Radix_> so you need to compile it manually 18:46 < jZed> bleh, I think I'll stick with two apaches on two ports 18:46 < Radix_> easier to simply run another apache with mod_php on another port and mod_proxy it in 18:46 < Radix_> you can use the wre mod_proxy to link to it.. and mod-rewrite rules to transparently hide it all so it seems like it's all on one server 18:47 < jZed> hrm, did the setenvironment thing, still getting Use of uninitialized value in subroutine entry at ./setup line 159. 18:47 < jZed> Bad arg length for Socket::inet_ntoa, length is 0, should be 4 at ./setup line 159. 18:47 < jZed> line 159 is looking for gethostname() 18:47 < Radix_> you didn't script up your localhost entry in /etc/hosts when you edited it by any chance? 18:48 < jZed> no, but hostname reports a different name 18:48 < jZed> maybe that's it 18:48 < Radix_> hostname must be in /etc/hosts 18:49 < jZed> can I re-load /etc/hosts without rebooting? 18:49 < Radix_> sure 18:50 < Radix_> just edit it and that's it 18:50 < jZed> hmm but I put a different hostname in and it still shows the old one 18:51 < Radix_> edit /etc/hostname? 18:51 < Radix_> or reboot? 18:51 < jZed> edited but didn't reboot 18:53 < jZed> /etc/hosts shows 127.0.0.1 dev dev.localhost.localdomain 18:57 < jZed> guess Imma reboot, thanks for the tips, back soon 18:59 -!- jZed [n=jeff@dsl093-039-031.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has left #webgui [] 19:18 -!- jZed_ [n=chatzill@dsl093-039-031.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #webgui 19:18 -!- jZed_ is now known as jZed 19:28 -!- jZed [n=chatzill@dsl093-039-031.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/0000000000]"] 19:28 -!- jZed__ [n=jeff@dsl093-039-031.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #webgui 19:47 < jZed__> this little script sure comes in handy: rm /data/wre/var/hoster.arg.cache; rm /data/wre/var/version.txt; rm -r /data/We\bGUI; /data/wre/sbin/setenvironment; /data/wre/sbin/setup 19:48 < jZed__> well now mod_proxy starts but mod_perl and Spectre still don't 20:00 < jZed__> allright, I manually created /data/wre/etc and /data/wre/prereqs/apache/logs which weren't there and now at least I have logs to look at 20:01 < jZed__> so I see this in modperl.error.log: 20:01 < jZed__> Cannot load /data/wre/prereqs/apache/modules/mod_apreq2.so into server: libapreq2.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory 20:05 <@preaction> jZed__, sounds like your wre install has a major problem 20:05 < jZed__> yeah, I've been working on it since yesterday 20:05 < jZed__> getting frustrated 20:05 < jZed__> must have run setup 75 times 20:05 < jZed__> at least now I have apache logs which I didn't before 20:05 <@preaction> which one did you download? 20:06 < jZed__> 7.1.3-stable 20:06 <@preaction> that's not the WRE 20:06 < jZed__> oh, just a sec 20:06 <@preaction> there are TWO THINGS. one is the WRE, the other is WebGUI 20:06 <@preaction> i don't care about version, i want to know platform 20:06 < jZed__> oh debian 20:07 < jZed__> yes, I understand about the two things now 20:07 < jZed__> wre is just the other apps and an install script 20:07 <@preaction> do you know how to install .deb packages manually? you don't need the WRE, it's just ... more convenient (when it's done) 20:07 < jZed__> is there a url to get the webgui directly, I can't see that listed anywhere so only way I can get it is via mirror 20:07 < jZed__> during setup 20:08 < jZed__> sure I can install debs 20:08 <@preaction> http://www.webgui.org 20:12 <@preaction> are you following the docs/install.txt instructions? 20:12 < jZed__> yep 20:12 < jZed__> every step 20:12 <@preaction> you don't have existing apache2 or mysql or otherwise installs? 20:13 <@preaction> you're running setenvironment before you try to start/restart wG? 20:13 < jZed__> yes I have perl and apache2 and mysql but I made sure to turn them all off 20:13 < jZed__> yes I'm running setenvironment 20:13 <@preaction> you're root 20:14 < jZed__> yep 20:14 <@preaction> you could configure your existing installs to work with WebGUI 20:14 < jZed__> just swap in the conf files? 20:15 <@preaction> http://www.plainblack.com/installing_webgui 20:15 <@preaction> no, i would not do that 20:15 <@preaction> read the link, follow that 20:15 < jZed__> ok thanks for all your help 20:16 <@preaction> you'll need to apt-get install perl-magick (or something similar) 20:16 <@preaction> there are other dependencies too 20:16 <@preaction> i think they're all covered by the link, but you'll have to find them in APT 20:17 < jZed__> oh I have all the perl prereqs 20:17 <@preaction> then you'll also need to create an init.d script for spectre 20:18 <@preaction> you may be able to get away with moving the rc.spectre from the WRE into /etc/init.d/, but you may have to look in and edit it 20:18 < jZed__> ok, I can handle that 20:19 < jZed__> fortunately, like most perl stuff, difficulty of installation does not necessarily bod difficulty of use, thank god 20:22 <@preaction> that's what the WRE is supposed to fix... but imho it'd be better to provide a .deb that had the appropriate dependencies 20:22 <@preaction> gentoo actually has an emerge version of wG that automatically pulls in dependencies, dunno how it is on setup though 20:39 < jZed__> well I was wrong about having all the prereqs, I'd thought that installing Catalyst pulled in everything on CPAN, but webgui needs even more 20:40 < jZed__> but testEnvironment.pl is doing a good job of getting everything 20:59 < jZed__> grr, my absolute least favorit cpan.pm error : test died because of failure of pod coverage # for kripes sakes let us install even if your pod sucks 20:59 < jZed__> Graphics::ColorNames 21:22 <+crythias> force install 21:22 < jZed__> oh sure, did that 21:22 < jZed__> all the perl stuff eventually installed 21:22 < jZed__> I've got webgui to start 21:23 < jZed__> but now i can't seem to get to the admin login 21:24 < jZed__> it should just point at dev.localhost.localdomain if that's in my domains/.conf 21:29 < jZed__> hmm, WebGUI starts, I can get to my old apache directories, I can't get to the WebGui directory, must have messed something up in virtual hosts 21:30 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@d-ip-129-15-97-108.oulan-south.ou.edu] has joined #webgui 21:36 < jZed__> hrm, closer and closer ... now when I point at the webgui domain dir, I get "Fatal Internal Error" 21:36 < jZed__> must be some sort of Spectre or WebGui error because it doesn't look like a regular Apache one 21:50 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has left #webgui [] 22:08 < jZed__> w00000000000000000t! 22:09 < jZed__> webgui is installed, the install from source was much easier than WRE 22:09 < jZed__> thanks everyone for your help 22:38 -!- haardy [i=heini@dynadsl-080-228-90-216.ewetel.net] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:38 -!- [1]haardy [i=heini@dyndsl-085-016-102-071.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #webgui 22:38 -!- [1]haardy is now known as haardy 22:58 < jZed__> installation done, configuration next ... hmm it wants css03.css but there is no such file or it can't find it, so I can't see the admin panel etc. cause no CSS unhides it 23:04 < jZed__> ah no, it's the /extras CSS it can't find, I probably need an alias in apache.conf 23:05 < perlm> did you move the extras to your config instance? 23:08 < jZed__> no 23:08 < jZed__> but this fixes it in apache.conf: Alias /extras/ "/data/WebGUI/www/extras/" 23:08 < jZed__> or should I copy extras into /domains/public? 23:10 < perlm> yeah, that apache.conf edit sounds like a hack 23:10 < jZed__> the page is very confusing without the css 23:10 < jZed__> :-) 23:11 < jZed__> but everything is cool, I have webgui and my old PHP and Mason stuff all running off the same port 23:11 < perlm> your domainname.conf in the /WebGUI/etc dir should have "extrasURL" : "/extras", and "extrasPath" : "/data/WebGUI/www/extras", 23:13 < jZed__> yep those are there 23:15 < jZed__> oh well, this works for now 23:15 < perlm> are you using a virtual host? You should have DocumentRoot /data/WebGUI/domains/www.yourdomain.com/public 23:16 < jZed__> yep 23:16 < perlm> that is strange....../extras should map to /data/WebGUI/domains/www.yourdomain.com/public/extras 23:16 < perlm> without the alias...oh well 23:20 < perlm> holy smokes, I think I just counted 100 individual connections to the server to load an asset configuration page. 23:41 < jZed__> it wasn't me :-) 23:46 < jZed__> "You are currently working under a tag called: None"? --- Day changed Sat Nov 11 2006 00:31 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 00:32 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythia1] by ChanServ 01:00 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@d-ip-129-15-97-108.oulan-south.ou.edu] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 01:36 -!- jZed__ [n=jeff@dsl093-039-031.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has left #webgui [] 05:25 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #webgui [] 06:29 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 06:29 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythia1] by ChanServ 06:51 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:24 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 07:25 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythia1] by ChanServ 08:12 -!- jZed_1 [n=jeff@dsl093-039-031.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #webgui 08:14 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:42 -!- jZed_1 [n=jeff@dsl093-039-031.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has left #webgui [] 18:23 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #webgui 19:00 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 19:00 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythia1] by ChanServ 19:13 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #webgui [] 20:54 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 22:38 -!- [1]haardy [i=heini@dyndsl-085-016-102-145.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #webgui 22:57 -!- haardy [i=heini@dyndsl-085-016-102-071.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:57 -!- [1]haardy is now known as haardy --- Day changed Sun Nov 12 2006 03:03 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 03:03 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythia1] by ChanServ 04:36 <@preaction> how does the parameter get populated? i can't seem to find a single wobject that does it 04:43 -!- preaction changed the topic of #webgui to: WebGUI (stable: WebGUI 7.1.3) || Need help? Ask and wait patiently (it might take awhile) 05:35 <+crythia1> hrm 05:35 <+crythia1> preaction you still there? 05:35 * crythia1 is bringin' sexy back. 05:48 <@preaction> i'm back now, had to make food 05:53 <@preaction> found it... $self->getToolbar 06:24 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #webgui [] 07:27 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 07:27 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythia1] by ChanServ 07:49 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:06 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:07 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui 09:07 -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ 14:57 -!- haardy [i=heini@dyndsl-085-016-102-145.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [" Want to be different? HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-"] 16:31 -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit ["Windows doesn't have users, it has hostages."] 16:31 -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui 21:49 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 21:49 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythia1] by ChanServ --- Day changed Mon Nov 13 2006 00:26 -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: ckotil, @snapcount, Radix_ 00:27 -!- Netsplit over, joins: @snapcount, Radix_, ckotil 02:58 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Radix@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 04:23 -!- preaction-m [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui 04:27 -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@224.248.95.24.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [] 05:16 < preaction-m> damnit roy, get your ass back here 05:17 < Radix-wrk> You just want his ass? 05:17 < preaction-m> you don't? 05:17 < Radix-wrk> No wait.. don't answer that 06:31 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #webgui [] 07:37 < Radix-wrk> PB webpages are still broken btw.. - https://www.plainblack.com/install/upgrade_help 07:37 < Radix-wrk> getting a ^AssetProxy(pb-redesign-2006/nav); on the side there 10:59 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Radix@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Windows doesn't have users. It has hostages."] 15:01 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 15:01 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythia1] by ChanServ 16:13 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:36 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@d-ip-129-15-97-108.oulan-south.ou.edu] has joined #webgui 17:55 < perlm> so what's new at PlainBlack this week? 18:09 < perlm> Does anyone know what this means from my /var/log/webgui.log " WORKFLOW: Response for babWLAT6BW20Qv8869RwbQ was redirected"? 18:11 < ckotil> not entirely. all i can get from it is that a workflow process was redirected 18:13 < perlm> The rest of the message says "This should never happen if configured correctly." 18:13 < ckotil> heh 18:13 < perlm> I'm trying to see if spectre is responding to the default port. 18:17 < ckotil> turn on debug mode 18:17 < perlm> Spectre is responding to the default port just fine. I'm not sure if the problem is in my domain.conf or the spectre.conf. not sure what there is to even change in spectre.cof. 18:18 < perlm> hah, "What port should we connect to WebGUI on?" I'm only running on 443, not 80. 18:19 < ckotil> so you're only running under ssl? 18:19 < perlm> yes 18:19 < ckotil> maybe it needs a non ssl instance 18:19 < ckotil> i dont really know 18:21 < perlm> spectre only takes an ip address to talk to WebGUI. the default host for that IP is not WebGUI. 18:21 < perlm> I might be SOL on this one. 18:23 < perlm> has anyone gotten WebGUI to run in the default Apache host in a subdir to webroot? Or does it have to run in its own Virtual Host? 18:27 -!- jZed__ [n=jeff@dsl093-039-031.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #webgui 19:11 -!- jZed__ [n=jeff@dsl093-039-031.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:28 < ckotil> i have gotten it to run at http://newt.grnoc.iu.edu/WebGUI 19:29 < ckotil> heres a goofy bug. I add a new ^FlieUrl(); macro and in firefox if i click on the word FileUrl in the wysiwyg editor , firefox2 crashes 19:30 < ckotil> firefox2 likes to show raw file information rather than loading an image or offering a file to download. 19:30 < ckotil> so i had to go back and add ^FileUrl to a lot of my urls 19:31 < ckotil> daaamn. my webgui::Cache::FileCache is up to 12 megs 20:34 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@d-ip-129-15-97-108.oulan-south.ou.edu] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 21:11 -!- jZed__ [n=jeff@dsl093-039-031.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #webgui 21:17 < jZed__> ok, here's a pickle ... I put on debug and now when I go into anything on the admin panel (including settings to turn debug off) all I get is the debug output ... no pages; on non-adming stuff it shows both 21:19 < jZed__> for example the page starts with { "op" : "editSettings" } 21:28 <@preaction> jZed__, you can edit the configuration file manually, but remember to restart apache after you're done 21:28 <@preaction> i'd also file a bug, if you can find the code that's doing it 21:31 < jZed__> hmm, so c /data/WebGUI/etc/domain-name.conf put "debug" : 0, ? 21:32 < jZed__> nope, that didn't work 21:32 <@preaction> did you restart apache? 21:33 < jZed__> yep 21:34 <@preaction> holy crap the Flash Player 9 Beta for Linux actually WORKS 21:35 < jZed__> cool, I'm blocked from lots of stuff because I don't have 9 21:35 < ckotil> preaction: yeah 21:36 < jZed__> is there an easy way to just wipe out a site and start a new one? delete the mysql db and start over? 21:36 < jZed__> or will I need to replace some directories too? 21:39 < jZed__> I'm sorry I've got so many questions, but I need to decide in the next day or two whether to use webgui for a really big project (bigger than any I've seen using webgui), and I'd like to at least have it minimally working before I decide :-) 21:47 <@preaction> jZed__, what kind of project? 21:48 <@preaction> and don't sell it short, WebGUI is running some massive stuff already 21:48 < jZed__> um, it's under NDA, but generally think of MySpace + YouTube + Other stuff 21:48 < ckotil> I just completed a big project, redesigning all of our NOC websites. Now im working to implement customer portal functionality. interfacing with out database of contacts 21:48 <@preaction> Brunswick New Technologies, the US Department of State 21:48 <@preaction> oh, i see... 21:48 <@preaction> umm.... 21:48 < jZed__> I'm not selling it short, I'm aiming big :-) 21:49 <@preaction> we'll set aside my complete dislike for the entire idea of MySpace and say this: 21:49 < ckotil> would webgui be able to power a site with millions of hits a day? 21:49 <@preaction> when you get it to work with webgui, integrated with webgui's stuff, it will be awesome 21:49 <@preaction> Myspace with versioning? hells yes 21:49 < ckotil> heh 21:50 <@preaction> like most CMS, it's limited only by the computer 21:50 < ckotil> im wondering if the server running webgui would be able to keep up with the requests 21:50 < jZed__> preaction, I know, I believe that, but I gotta get it working to convince the CEO 21:51 <@preaction> which reminds me, there's a lot of efficiency stuff i want to do, but it'll break API so it'll have to be in 9.x 21:51 <@preaction> anyway 21:52 < jZed__> so, I now have a totally borked install ... version tags I can't commit because they were locked when spectre quit, the debug stuff that prevents me from doing any admin tasks ... how do I start over? 21:52 <@preaction> if you just re-create the config file and database, you should be fine 22:11 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #webgui 22:11 < perlm> jZed, you ever get things working? 22:13 < jZed__> yes, I got it installed, my virtual hosts are not quite right but I think I can fix that, I just reinstalled a site that had problems and now I am trying without success to create a first page, I commit the version tag but the page is still in pending and I don't know how to get it out 22:16 < jZed__> hrmph, spectre.pl --daemon gives Can't use string ("sitename") as a HASH ref while "strict refs" in use at ../lib/WebGUI/Config.pm line 226. 22:30 <@preaction> jZed__, look in the wG config file, is everything kosher? looks like either $self or $self->{_config} got set to a string for some reason 22:31 <@preaction> are you running 7.2? 22:31 < jZed__> 7.1.3 22:31 < perlm> My problems are with Spectre not being able to talk with WebGUI either. 22:32 < jZed__> this is my conf: "sitename" : [ "dev.localhost.localdomain", "localhost.localdomain"], 22:36 < perlm> I wonder why ^AssetProxy started erroring on every page. 22:38 < perlm> WOOOHOOOOOO, spectre just did a commit without throwing an error and requiring me to manually commit! 22:39 < perlm> But what does this mean? Processing failed on macro: ^AssetProxy(style3_coolmenu);: Can't call method "canView" on an undefined value at /usr/share/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Post.pm line 117 22:41 <@preaction> perlm, look at line 117 of that file, what is it trying to call a method on? 22:41 < perlm> $self->getThread->getParent->canView 22:41 <@preaction> a lot of these error messages that people are getting should have been TESTED FOR (even if at runtime) and reported with more information 22:41 <@preaction> perlm, it means that the post has no parent Thread 22:41 <@preaction> which is probably bad 22:42 < perlm> but this *just* started showing up. And the little icon that appears just at the upper right of the admin bar is no longer there. 22:45 <@preaction> no, wait, it's trying to get the Parent of the Thread, which should be the Collaboration System 22:45 <@preaction> meaning there's a CS that doesn't exist, have you deleted one recently? have you deleted anything recently? 22:45 < perlm> yes 22:45 < perlm> lots and lots 22:46 < perlm> I've been adding assets and blowing them away left and right.....mostly with the spectre auto-commit broken and me commiting things manually. 22:46 < perlm> I'm trying to do a rollback to the clean install, but clicking rollback does nothing. 22:47 < jZed__> I did that by deleting and reinstalling the mysql database 22:47 < jZed__> and then restarting apache 22:47 < perlm> yeah, I shoudl do that.....can't remember how to recreate the database. 22:48 <@preaction> rollback doesn't seem to work as described, it's more a "delete this version tag and this version tag only" 22:48 <@preaction> instead of "delete all version tags that occured after this version tag", as I would expect 22:48 < perlm> it won't even rollback just the latest version. 22:49 < perlm> worse, nothing is written to the log saying what went wrong. 22:49 <@preaction> crapbeans 22:49 <@preaction> nothing in modperl error log either? 22:49 < perlm> j/s I'll check 22:50 < perlm> nope 22:50 < perlm> unless mod_perl logs are written somewhere besides the normal apache logs 22:50 <@preaction> no, they shouldn't 22:51 < perlm> I see the message coming in for spectre, but no action. 22:53 < jZed__> well I am stuck with spectre.pl --daemon returning Can't use string ("sitename") as a HASH ref while "strict refs" in use at ../lib/WebGUI/Config.pm line 224. 22:53 < jZed__> I tried putting in a hard-coded $self->{_config} and that just led to other errors :-( 22:54 < perlm> by connecting on 80 instead of 443 I got it to rollback. I've rolled back to the initial install and am still getting that error. 22:54 < jZed__> duh, the light dawns, lol, perm = perlmonkey2 :-) 22:55 < jZed__> s/perm/perlm/ 22:55 < perlm> heh, yep 22:55 < jZed__> it was port 443 that gave you away :-) 22:56 < jZed__> dang, I had spectre.pl working at least some of the time the other day, I wonder why it won't start? 22:57 < perlm> I'd recopy the config file and start over because it sounds like some text got munged somewhere. 23:00 < jZed__> the odd thing is it finds the config for the ip and port and only later bombs on the sitename 23:01 < perlm> okay, I'm upgrading to 7.2 just because I can't remember if I have 1.2 or 1.3 and I need to rebuild the db :P 23:06 < jZed__> ok, I'm nearing the end of my rope, two full days and I still have not been able to create a single page using webgui 23:20 < perlm> it is pretty slick if you can get around the rough edges...... 23:20 < jZed__> I hope to get there, but doubting it sometimes 23:21 < perlm> course, now I can't get apache with 7.2 installed to start 23:25 < perlm> I don't remember this from the 7.1.2 install "[error] Can't locate WebGUI.pm in @INC " 23:25 < perlm> that is from my httpd logs. 23:26 <@preaction> perlm, that one's easy: you need to fix your PATH for apache, usually setenv PERL5LIB will do it 23:27 < jZed__> w00t, success 23:27 <@preaction> and of course, pb's spectre just finally spat out the support requests for today... i swear to god... 23:27 <@preaction> so at 3:30pm i finally get all the support requests for the weekend and today... wtf... 23:27 < jZed__> was missing curly braces around the dev_local... config section 23:27 < jZed__> so the JSON bombed 23:27 <@preaction> yeah... i'm not liking JSON, should've used INI or Yaml for the configuration 23:28 < jZed__> well, Config.pm needs a check to make sure JsontoObj() returns an object and complains about bad JSON right there rather than passing a non-object to the requesting routine 23:29 < jZed__> want a patch? 23:33 < jZed__> put this after line 343 in Config.pm : Can't use string ("sitename") as a HASH ref while "strict refs" in use at ../lib/WebGUI/Config.pm line 224. 23:33 < jZed__> er, I mean this: die "Can't parse JSON in '$filename'\n" unless ref $con\f; 23:34 < jZed__> that's just sloppy error catching, a proper error would have told me where to look right away 23:34 < jZed__> # of course I've done such sloppy things myself too ... 23:34 <@preaction> jZed__, i completely agree, most of my "tests" that i'm required to write have been neglected for better error handling 23:35 <@preaction> the current ErrorHandler thing is horrible (when Carp would give me more functionality, and eval {} would let me pick and choose what to catch) 23:36 < jZed__> yeah I threw in some Carps to debug 23:36 <@preaction> i'll leave a note to add that error 23:36 < jZed__> thanks 23:38 < perlm> Somewhere something is telling apache to add /data/WebGUI to @ISA and my WebGUI is in /usr/share/WebGUI 23:39 < jZed__> I made a symlink from /data to /usr/share/webgui and put WebGUI in that 23:40 < perlm> I had it fine for 7.1.3 23:40 < perlm> I just missed something in the config files 23:40 < jZed__> how do you unlock a version? 23:42 < perlm> commit it? 23:42 <@preaction> perlm, grep for "/data/WebGUI" in lib, maybe there's something explicit in there, which would be bad 23:42 < jZed__> I'm Admin, I made a collab sys, committed it, it did not show up anywhere except in pending versions, i go there and view it and it is locked 23:42 <@preaction> that would be bug-worthy 23:42 <@preaction> jZed__, spectre isn't running probably :( 23:43 < jZed__> that's what I thought but ps -elf shows it 23:43 <@preaction> kill it, run spectre with the --run --debug flags, and see if there's an error or something 23:44 <@preaction> maybe pipe it through tee so you can get a log of it as well 23:45 < perlm> precation, that was a good idea. preload.pl had /data/WebGUI hardcoded. 23:46 <@preaction> that's a bug in my opinion, please submit it, but be warned that JT might not consider it a bug 23:46 <@preaction> or, search the dev forums 23:46 <@preaction> maybe it has a reason why that's like that 23:46 < perlm> hardcoding paths are not really a great idea for enterprise software. 23:47 < jZed__> Respons H_Y... retrieved successfully ... Got an error response for for H_Y... 23:47 < jZed__> hmm, starting it up again after that and the page is unlocked 23:50 < perlm> now I'm getting weird Log::Log4perl::Appender::log errors :( 23:50 <@preaction> spectre just annoys the hell out of me sometimes... 23:51 < perlm> on some pages I'm logged out, but others I'm logged in. 23:54 <@preaction> browser cache --- Day changed Tue Nov 14 2006 00:48 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 01:33 -!- jZed__ [n=jeff@dsl093-039-031.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has left #webgui [] 02:48 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Radix@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 03:24 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #webgui 03:24 < perlm> Hah, just saw WebGUI uses yahoo's AJAX library. Nice. After much looking and playing with, I decided Yahoo's was the most appropriate also. 03:44 < Radix-wrk> they did a review of a number of the libraries out there - I saw the discussion on it in the dev channel 03:47 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 03:47 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythia1] by ChanServ 03:47 < Radix-wrk> http://www.plainblack.com/webgui/dev/discuss/javascript-apis 04:29 < perlm> reading the review now 04:36 < perlm> Yeah, JT's arguements for YUI sound a lot like my own, although besides YUI I had only done anthing enterprise level with Scriptaculous/Prototype. 05:46 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:24 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 10:19 <@preaction> it's 2:00am, i have to be up at 9:00am for another day of support, and I only got 4 hours of sleep last night... 10:19 <@preaction> how do I survive? 10:22 <@preaction> and why am i still hanging out in the ubuntu channel? 10:27 < Radix-wrk> Good questions 10:34 <@preaction> and let it henceforth be known that I am sick and tired of the HttpProxy Wobject... 10:42 < Radix-wrk> hehe 11:00 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Radix@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Windows doesn't have users. 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He loves it. 20:27 < perlm> "cat's pajamas" is what he said. 20:28 < perlm> Does WebGUI have Template::Toolkit2 support? 20:28 -!- ckotil [n=newtrino@snare.grnoc.iu.edu] has joined #webgui 20:28 < ckotil> Can I run a cgi upload file script under webgui? 20:29 < perlm> I think there are a couple of built in Assets for doing that. 20:29 < ckotil> We have these weekly reports that are uploaded to the server then a cronjob script generates an html file of all the weekly reports. And i just http proxy that generated html page. 20:29 < perlm> But writing your own custom upload asset shouldn't be hard. 20:29 < ckotil> hrm 20:29 < ckotil> intneresting 20:30 < ckotil> i did start looking at creating my own assets 20:30 < ckotil> ive created a couple pretty bare bone assets that didnt do squat but display some random text 20:31 < ckotil> i was hoping i could use a snippet asset and paste the cgi script into that and have it execute no problem. 20:31 < perlm> but you want your cronjob to LWP post the report to a WebGUI asset? 20:31 < ckotil> nah it will just cronjob an external html page 20:31 < ckotil> and webgui will http proxy it in 20:32 < perlm> how is that working for you? 20:33 < ckotil> http://www.abilene.iu.edu/abilene/support/weekly-reporting.html 20:33 < ckotil> great 20:37 < perlm> I'm pretty new to WebGUI myself and am only running it at a test server at my house, but I have the design guys playing with it and will probably be moving all our stuff to WebGUI. 20:40 < ckotil> Ive been using it for 4 months now 20:40 < ckotil> i love it 20:45 -!- perlbot [n=perlbot@lv.pm.org] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:45 -!- perlbot [n=perlbot@lv.pm.org] has joined #webgui 20:49 < perlm> I'm trying to figure out how you were going to use a CGI script inside of a snippet asset? Can snippets be executed? The help says only JS and markup are allowed. 20:49 < ckotil> yeah :/ i dunno either 20:49 < ckotil> looks like i gotta create a custom asset 20:49 < ckotil> fuck 20:50 < perlm> if your weekly reports are in a DB, couldn't you use the WebGUI form builder asset? 20:52 < ckotil> yeah. 20:52 < ckotil> pretty easily too 20:54 < perlm> SQL Report asset looks like jsut what you need. 20:54 < perlm> and just a few underneath is the Survey asset.......thank the gods, I'll never have to write another stupid survey webapp! 20:55 < ckotil> heh 20:55 < ckotil> hrm.. so you're saying store the files in the db? 20:55 < ckotil> interesting. 20:55 < perlm> BLOBs are meant to be used :P 20:56 <@preaction> perlm, i believe there are plugins for TT, dunno about TT2 20:56 < perlm> preaction, what is the default templating tool? 20:56 <@preaction> HTML::Template 20:57 < ckotil> good call perlm 20:58 <@preaction> ckotil, you could also use the HttpProxy module, set up an apache or tinyhttpd instance to run your cgi scripts, and get the CGI output in that manner 20:58 < ckotil> im doing that now. 20:58 < ckotil> how can i secure access to the upload.cgi script 20:58 <@preaction> perhaps there should be an "Exec" asset that could execute a command, translating URL params into command-line params 20:58 < perlm> I'm starting to daydream all sorts of cool things with WebGUI. I wonder how long it would take me to port my survey's directly into the WebGUI DB. Just write to the DB and skip the WebGUI front end. 20:59 < ckotil> exec would be cool 20:59 < perlm> yeah, and maybe it could eval{} user entered data :P 20:59 <@preaction> ckotil, secure? you could make sure that the referer was correct 21:00 <@preaction> Exec would be able to execute "perl script.pl --options", no need for eval {} 21:00 <@preaction> eval would be far harder to secure 21:00 < ckotil> ok. that thoguht did cross my mind, but i dismissed it bc i dunno how to check the referer. how would i check to see that the referer is in fact the webgui page? 21:00 <@preaction> a CGI script is passed the HTTP headers in the environment, one should be HTTP_REFERER 21:01 <@preaction> you could ensure that the httpd you're running only accepts connections from localhost 21:01 <@preaction> in fact, i would definately make sure of that 21:01 < ckotil> ok. 21:01 < ckotil> btw. im not running the wre so im jsut gonna use the same apache instance 21:01 <@preaction> you'll want to make a vhost then 21:01 < ckotil> ok 21:01 < ckotil> ive got a bunch setup. 21:01 <@preaction> and if the name isn't resolvable outside your server, you have no problem 21:02 < ckotil> ah. good idea 21:02 <@preaction> i mean, it'd be weird to see http://localhost and have it work, but work it would 21:03 < ckotil> its an internal tool. so no big deal 21:03 -!- Jiggie [n=none@63-239-138-22.dia.static.qwest.net] has joined #webgui 22:03 < ckotil> in my custom wobject i created a form in the template. how do i process this form in the wobject? 22:04 < ckotil> eh. i think i see it 22:18 < perlm> I regularly fake the Referer in HTML headers. Using that as any part of the security isn't a good idea. 22:22 < perlm> isn't the form submitted with each field name a hash key of the wobject? 22:29 < ckotil> yeah sysadmins told me not to check referer. big risk there 22:29 < ckotil> so im trying to create a custom wobject. 22:29 < ckotil> and i have the form created in the template for my custom wobject. 22:29 < ckotil> but i dunno where to even begin processing the form. 22:29 < ckotil> its gotta be somewhere in sub view 23:05 < perlm> Asset.pm, 2137 lines of code. Yeah, not gonna be easy to figure this out. 23:10 < perlm> Looks like processPropertiesFromFormPost is the Asset.pm sub that processes form Posts. 23:14 < perlm> looks like the default functionality of processPropertiesFromFormPost is to simply put each parameter that was Posted into the database. 23:15 < perlm> This code is good stuff. 23:16 < perlm> but you dont' have to call SUPER in your own asset. Looks like you can do whatever you want. 23:16 < perlm> I dig it...... 23:28 < ckotil> in the wobject tutorial it seems that they use template variables to process the form. 23:28 < ckotil> i dunno. im heading home. cya tomorrow 23:32 < perlm> hasta 23:33 < perlm> oh...you meant process the template, not process the post. yeah, that was all magically calls to other mod's that I haven't looked at yet. 23:33 < perlm> s/magically/magical/ 23:44 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has left #webgui [] 23:48 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has joined #webgui 23:48 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 23:53 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@d-ip-129-15-97-108.oulan-south.ou.edu] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 23:57 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has left #webgui [] --- Day changed Wed Nov 15 2006 00:07 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has joined #webgui 00:07 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 00:08 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has left #webgui [] 01:17 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #webgui 01:18 < perlm> I wonder if httpproxy can be made to understand IRC? 01:25 <@preaction> IRC is an interactive, stateful protocol 01:25 <@preaction> http is not 01:25 <@preaction> don't ask me how CGI::IRC works, i don't understand a lick of it 01:27 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 01:27 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythia1] by ChanServ 01:34 < perlm> when you said you worked at walmart, did you mean a store, or Bentonville? 01:55 <@preaction> a store 01:55 <@preaction> as an unloader 01:55 <@preaction> on the GM side, so not stacked nicely on pallets, packed full into the truck 01:55 <@preaction> probably the hardest job in the store 01:56 <@preaction> no... definately the hardest job in the store... maintenance got more respect than unloading 02:10 < perlm> I used to work a trucking dock and have some sympathy for poorly packed trailers. 02:13 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Radix@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 02:14 <@preaction> exactly... the mofos i swear would put the long-thin boxes on top, and then a box of ammunition or something on top of that, so when you pull down the long-thin one... 02:14 <@preaction> if you weren't quick, you were lucky to wake up in a couple hours 02:35 <@preaction> by the end of the night i'll have a working calendar, with simple events and simple views. i've got three days to add: Search, iCalendar feeds (both in and out), Event Recurrence, and Subscriptions 02:35 <@preaction> who'll bet against me? 5:4 odds 02:38 < perlm> holy crap 02:38 < perlm> I'm sure it will be finished in time. But I'm thinking the real odds will be in the bug count. 02:38 < Radix-wrk> I bet it'll be buggy ;) 02:38 < perlm> hahahahaha 02:38 < Radix-wrk> lol 02:38 < perlm> great minds..... 02:39 <@preaction> bah, screw you guys 02:39 < perlm> :D 02:39 < Radix-wrk> lol 02:39 <@preaction> of course it's going to be buggy :p they give me a week to do this and they expect quality? 02:39 < perlm> If you need a tester or anyone to do some grunt work, give me a yell 02:39 <@preaction> if i had a web-facing test site i'd definately yell, but ... it would take me 10 minutes to set one up :p 02:40 < perlm> Yeah, that WebGUI, once you know what you are doing it takes minutes, I tell you whole minutes, to set up. 02:43 <@preaction> perlbot host IP commctrl.com 02:43 < perlbot> Sorry, type ip isn't allowed. It might take up too much space here, or may be unsupported. Allowed types are: a aaaa ptr mx ns cname 02:43 <@preaction> perlbot host commctrl.com 02:43 <@preaction> perlbot host acommctrl.com 02:43 <@preaction> perlbot host a commctrl.com 02:43 < perlbot> commctrl.com has address 72.1.4.143 02:43 <@preaction> perlbot hate 02:43 < perlbot> sometimes I hate people. but then i realise it's because I hate a person, and I don't want to hate that person, so I spread it out over all humanity 02:43 <@preaction> perlbot emo? 02:45 < perlm> perlbot help 02:45 < perlbot> (fact)::tell (who) about (what)::(what) > (who)::learn (what) as (info)::relearn (fact) as (info)::phone (phone number)::shorten (url)::shorten it::search (module)::docs (module)::perldoc -f (function)::jargon (term)::math::fortune::flip::host (type) (record)::rot13::roll (die)::tempconv (temp)::scramble (foo)::8ball::slap::diss::what time is it::top/bottom (number) karma::geoip (ip) 02:45 < perlm> fun 02:45 < perlm> perlbot WWW::Mechanzie::docs 02:45 < perlm> perlbot WWW::Mechanize::docs 02:45 < perlm> perlbot WWW::Mechanize::perldoc 02:46 <@preaction> perlbot cpan WWW::Mechanize 02:46 < perlbot> Documentation for 'WWW::Mechanize' can be found here: http://xrl.us/s9mr 02:46 < perlm> how cool is that 02:46 <@preaction> perlbot perldoc WWW::Mechanize 02:46 < perlbot> Documentation for 'WWW::Mechanize' can be found here: http://xrl.us/s9mr 02:47 <@preaction> perlbot -f split 02:47 <@preaction> perlbot perldoc -f split 02:47 < perlbot> Documentation for 'split' can be found here: http://snipurl.com/7ket 02:47 < perlbot> Documentation for '-f split' can be found here: http://snipurl.com/127ln 02:47 <@preaction> it's been a while since i've been able to play with perlbot 02:47 <@preaction> i do like how he rotates his URL shorten sites 02:48 < perlm> she's like a little sidekick quickly fetching things you often need. 02:48 <@preaction> i also like how the URLs point to perldoc.com, which is dead 02:49 <@preaction> perlbot perlfunc 02:49 < perlbot> Perl builtin functions - http://www.perldoc.com/perl5.8.0/pod/perlfunc.html 02:49 <@preaction> damnit 03:07 < perlm> oh man....the wre has an automagic version updater..... 03:07 < perlm> sweet 03:13 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:20 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 03:20 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythia1] by ChanServ 03:22 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 04:07 < preaction-m> perlbot <3 04:07 < perlbot> bullshit, I'm way more than 3 05:24 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 05:24 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythia1] by ChanServ 05:42 < perlm> perlbot > 100 05:42 < perlm> perlbot >100 05:44 < preaction-m> <3 looks like a heart 05:46 < preaction-m> given a day of the week, and a specified first day of the week, how would you find what position the day of the week falls on 05:46 < preaction-m> say the Fdow is 0 (sunday), and the dow is 1 (monday), the position would be 1 05:47 < preaction-m> say the Fdow is 3 (Wednesday), and the dow is 1 (monday), the position would be 6 05:47 < preaction-m> er.. i lied, the first position would be 2, not 1 05:47 < preaction-m> 1 if it's 0-based 05:47 < preaction-m> the second would be 5 if zero based 05:48 < preaction-m> if the dow is less than the Fdow, add 7 to the dow. then subtract the Fdow from the dow to get position... 05:49 < preaction-m> there must be something better... 05:53 < Radix-wrk> why use zero based.. it's totally non-intuitive to the end user of they ever have to deal with it 05:54 < preaction-m> the end user will never have to deal with it 05:54 < Radix-wrk> k 05:54 < preaction-m> and it doesn't work without 0-based, i've tried using 7 for sunday... it doesn't work 05:54 < preaction-m> it's just this algorithm that needs it 05:54 < Radix-wrk> well traditional unix way was 0 and 7 for sunday.. 05:55 < Radix-wrk> it didn't matter what your 'first day of the week was' 05:55 < preaction-m> i use % to have 7 turn out to be 0 05:55 < preaction-m> right, it's just wG already has a "First Day of the Week" user Profile Field, so i have to provide this functionality 05:55 < preaction-m> it's annoying the piss out of me right now 05:58 < preaction-m> hell, i'm developing under the assumption that Fdow is 0, and i can't get it right... 06:01 < perlm> dang....I did this in college......there is a very elegant trick to finding days of the month. 06:01 < preaction-m> shit, it's not the dow position i've screwed up, it's the week number 06:09 < perlm> I haven't been able to find this in the docs, but what is the difference between an Asset and a WObject. I know a WObject subclasses an Asset, but how do they differ in function? 06:10 < preaction-m> Wobjects have more built-in stuff 06:10 < preaction-m> look at the definitions 06:10 < preaction-m> each level pushes a new set of properties onto the definition 06:11 < preaction-m> basically, subclass an Asset if you want to do more work 06:11 < preaction-m> or if you want it to be leaner 06:11 < perlm> I kinda got the impression that Asset's are generalized objects that should always be subclassed by a WObject. 06:11 < preaction-m> the new Event is an Asset subclass, but the Calendar itself is a Wobject 06:12 < preaction-m> Assets are (imho) generic pieces that can be moved around. a Wobject is an actual application that can use Assets if necessary 06:12 < perlm> cool, that was what I kind of guessed. 06:13 < preaction-m> you could just use Wobjects all the time, i'm sure (but then again, this is something that only the vets know, and i'm not one of them) 06:13 < perlm> I was thinking I'd only write my own Asset if I had some functionality that I wanted several WObjects to inherit. 06:14 < perlm> For instance, I'm eventually going to need something that can display trees of data. That might make for an Asset. 06:15 < preaction-m> i'd think more of a wobject. trees of data or trees of assets? 06:16 < preaction-m> why not an SQLReport? 06:16 < perlm> Maybe I can lift some code from SQLReport, but the data being shown, won't come from a database, but a webservice. 06:17 < Radix-wrk> can't use the webservice object? 06:17 < perlm> will the webservice object show the data in tree format? or......I bet I can write a custom template for it. 06:18 < Radix-wrk> a template for it would be the way to go 06:19 < perlm> wow.......it will be crazy if I end up not even having to write one Asset. 06:19 < perlm> I'll have to sign over my first born to JT or something. 06:19 < Radix-wrk> wasn't that already in the license agreement? 06:20 < Radix-wrk> 2.9.14 All firstborn shall hereforth be named JT and should be owned subsidiaries of Plainblack LLC Inc. 06:21 < perlm> hahaha 06:21 < Radix-wrk> The whole idea of WebGUI is that you shouldn't need to deal with any code though :) It's still getting there in practice for some things, but we've been pretty pleased with it out of the box and not needed to write anything but fancy templates :) 06:22 < Radix-wrk> Feel free to fix any bugs you find or extend what's there for the rest of us tho! :) 06:23 < perlm> Hopefully I'll be able to contribute back to the community. This is like being given a commercial enterprise portal for free (and lives up to the PR). 06:25 < Radix-wrk> I'd love to try writing a wObject myself some time.. but to be honest I have no idea what to code or where to start. (perl newbie too) 06:27 < Radix-wrk> Actually.. I do know where to start 06:27 < perlm> It looks complicated at first until you realize that most of the code is an automated channel for moving data to and from the database. I think I'll try writing my own WObject that uses a custom template just to get my feet wet. 06:27 < perlm> where? 06:28 < Radix-wrk> with the wobject skeleton :) 06:28 < perlm> heh 06:28 < Radix-wrk> I have the pdf from the Webgui User Conference on writing wobjects too :) 06:29 < perlm> There is a pdf about building WObjects online, but my doc viewer doesn't show the code very well. 06:29 < Radix-wrk> Wobjects are also Assets, Assets are more flexible, Wobjects provide more utility methods 06:29 < Radix-wrk> Assets don't usually have a style wrapper, or they do something custom for their style wrapper 06:30 < Radix-wrk> that's out of the pdf I have here.. Assets vs Wobjects 06:31 < perlm> I don't think that one is online 06:32 < Radix-wrk> probably not - the WUC was only a couple of months ago 06:34 < preaction-m> actually the skeleton needs to be updated... :( 06:34 < preaction-m> at least, it's never worked for me out of the box, after substituting my Wobject name in the appropriate places 06:34 < perlm> is there another WObject I can copy that is a pretty good example? 06:34 < preaction-m> always weird things going on 06:35 < preaction-m> they're all in varying states of update, but you are best with the skeleton 06:35 < preaction-m> if you can, keep track of the error messages you get, they probably need to be better 06:36 < preaction-m> the utility classes should give a full caller trace 06:36 < preaction-m> but they don't :( 06:36 < perlm> Where are the templates stored? 06:36 < preaction-m> templates are assets 06:36 < Radix-wrk> anywhere 06:37 < preaction-m> there are pros and cons to that, of course, but for wG purposes, it works wonderfully 06:38 < Radix-wrk> you can't usually add them through new content sidebar, but from the asset manager you can 06:38 < preaction-m> oh, and my first dow code works great now. i rule 06:38 < perlm> Nice...congrats 06:38 < Radix-wrk> cool 06:39 < perlm> I see....Content Sidebar->Assets then way at the bottom is a template choice. 06:43 < preaction-m> make sure to fill in the template namespace you put in your new wobject's definition 06:44 < perlm> I'm not sure I'm going to be able to tie the XML response from a webservice into a template's variables. 06:44 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #webgui [] 06:46 < preaction-m> why not? 06:47 < perlm> Does the webservice Wobject allow me to do that? 06:49 < preaction-m> never tried it 06:49 < preaction-m> use the source, luke 06:49 < perlm> Wow, I can embed macros in the "Web Services Client Template" to handle the responses. 06:50 < perlm> cool beyond words. 06:50 < perlm> WebGUI is making me obsolete. 06:55 < perlm> Okay, I'm outy. g'night 06:55 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 06:55 -!- preaction-m changed the topic of #webgui to: WebGUI (stable: 7.1.3; beta: 7.2.0) || Need help? Ask and wait patiently (it might take awhile) 06:55 < Radix-wrk> nite 06:55 < preaction-m> tomorrow is 7.2.1, no? 06:55 < Radix-wrk> yeah 06:56 < Radix-wrk> Wed night for you guys.. thursday morning for me :) 08:52 < preaction-m> now's where I wish I had taken discrete math in college 08:53 < preaction-m> Given an event with a start and an end, and a time period to search for, how can you tell if the event occurs during the time period? :p 08:54 < preaction-m> hit detection... if any of the start/end times are contained by the opposing start/end times, it's occuring 09:19 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Radix@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Windows doesn't have users. It has hostages."] 09:48 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Radix@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 10:00 -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: ckotil 10:00 -!- Netsplit over, joins: ckotil 10:25 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Radix@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Windows doesn't have users. 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When I try to start Spectre I get the following error: 20:02 < bipolar> # Can't locate object method "get" via package "POE::Filter::HTTPHead_Line" at /usr/share/perl5/POE/Filter/Stackable.pm line 39. 20:02 < bipolar> (in cleanup) Can't call method "free" on an undefined value at /usr/share/perl5/POE/Component/Connection/Keepalive.pm line 44 during global destruction. 20:02 < bipolar> I've googled and searched the webgui forums for all parts of that error with no luck. 20:03 < bipolar> I'm using the libpoe packages from http://deb.cyberdiscordia.org\ 20:04 < bipolar> The Webgui install is from source. 20:04 < bipolar> version 7.1.2 20:09 <@preaction> bipolar, use cpan to try to update that module 20:10 < bipolar> preaction: ok. I'll try that. give me some time, I'm not overly familure with CPAN. :) 20:11 -!- jZed [n=jeff@dsl093-039-031.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #webgui 20:26 -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: ckotil 20:26 -!- Netsplit over, joins: ckotil 20:32 < bipolar> preaction: that did it! thanks! 20:57 -!- maxscience [n=maxscien@85-18-14-23.fastres.net] has joined #webgui 21:00 < maxscience> hey 21:00 < maxscience> did you played a bit with Plone? 21:02 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@d-ip-129-15-97-108.oulan-south.ou.edu] has joined #webgui 21:20 < ckotil> we considered plone. 21:33 < ckotil> How do I export my site to /WebGUI/www/export ? 21:33 < ckotil> as static .html 21:34 < maxscience> and why you chose WebGUI over Plone? 21:36 < jZed> I chose it because it's Perl not Python :-) 21:36 < maxscience> and? :) 21:36 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has joined #webgui 21:37 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 21:37 < maxscience> why you prefer Perl over Python? :) 21:37 < jZed> and I'm a perl hacker, not a python hacker 21:37 < maxscience> oh ok 21:37 < jZed> 14 years of coding perl may have something to do with it :-) 21:39 < ckotil> WebGUI offered better access control 21:39 < ckotil> and pluggable authentication. 21:39 < ckotil> we use a university wide system called CAS 21:39 < maxscience> but python is much more easier, efficient, faster to code, etc. etc. 21:39 < ckotil> terrible error output tho 21:39 < maxscience> I also chose WebGUI... But now I checked again Plone since sometime and boy it is cool 21:40 < jZed> not faster for me to code, not easier for me, more efficient? dunno about that 21:40 < bipolar> is there any way to re-initalize the admin user and give that user access to everything? I seem to have a borked site that denies access to some things. 21:40 < jZed> what does plone have that webgui doesn't? 21:40 < maxscience> far better UI to start 21:41 < maxscience> much easier installation and admin 21:41 < jZed> bipolar ... maybe set the UI prefs to 9guru? 21:41 < jZed> I hear you on all those points maxscience 21:41 <+crythias> plone/zope rocks. 21:42 < maxscience> I am 9 guru :) I'm talking about UI usability, responsiveness, compatibility, and COOLNESS 21:42 <+crythias> but I liked WebGUI's end user stuff and draggable content. 21:42 < maxscience> whatever... Draggable content doesn't work on my favourite browser :D 21:42 <+crythias> maxscience: jZed was talking to bipolar :) 21:42 < maxscience> oh yeah sry :P 21:42 < jZed> what I need is ability to define multiple users with multiple sites and rich auth and perms 21:43 <+crythias> yeah, see that's where plone is good.. it has user heirarchy. 21:43 < maxscience> what do you mean by "define multiple users with multiple sites"? 21:43 < maxscience> you're an ISP offering WebGUI hostin? 21:43 < bipolar> jZed: I don't understand.... in Settings-> UI? 21:44 < jZed> no, it's a community with hosting provided to members but like an ISP host in some ways 21:45 < jZed> um, yeah, I think so bipolar 21:45 < maxscience> nice.. You have some heavy custom coding to auto-generate sites, etc.? 21:45 < jZed> I'm just getting started, but that's the general idea 21:45 < maxscience> So you don't have a working site yet 21:46 < jZed> nope, only installed my first webgui yesterday 21:46 < jZed> but I have a team and I think we've decided on webgui, so the fun begins 21:46 < bipolar> jZed: I don't see anything like that in settings->ui :\ 21:47 <+crythias> no, it's user settings. 21:47 < ckotil> How do I export my site to /WebGUI/www/export ? 21:47 < maxscience> I hope you'll be sharing your stuff with the community... Another thing WebGUI is lacking badly is the Community... WebGUI contributions are ver very rare, Zope contributions are dozens a day 21:47 <+crythias> ckotil: if it's turned on in conf, admin on should show export. 21:47 < maxscience> almost :P 21:47 < ckotil> ah. k thx. i know i enabled it in the conf 21:48 < maxscience> I mean Plone 21:48 < jZed> I hear you about the community 21:49 < maxscience> and what is really annoying is that plainblack staff doesn't really like to have feedback 21:49 <+crythias> yeah. that guy crythias.. who knows when he's going to post, and he never ever posts anything that works. oh. hey.... 21:50 < jZed> hmm, preaction has been really helpful to me and has fed back some minor suggestions I made 21:50 < maxscience> ahah nah crythias I didn't forget ya. But you're a rare guy in the WebGUI community, that's what I meann 21:50 < ckotil> i wish the forums were better archived at plainblack.com 21:50 < ckotil> however the plainblack support forum is very helpful 21:50 < ckotil> sure....$500 / year helpful 21:50 <+crythias> it's ok. I'm rather terse and impatient, so I do understand as well. 21:52 < jZed> how would you compare the scalability of plone and webgui ... for really heavy traffic 21:53 < preaction-m> maxscience: where did you get that conclusion, pb doesn't like feedback? that's what the dev forum is for 21:53 < preaction-m> though, because nobody else from pb staff is here, i can say i was told NOT to seek community feedback on the calendar rewrite, since it's being mostly funded by a client 21:54 < preaction-m> with that being said, i've got my web-facing dev site operational, and when i feel comfortable (probably by tomorrow morning), i plan to take a few people up on their offer of help testing 21:55 < jZed> preaction++ 21:55 < preaction-m> i was surprised as well, the pb site says there's a #webgui on freenode and efnet, and i got here and there was basically nobody 21:56 < preaction-m> radix and cryth, roy and one or two others from the last WUC 21:56 < preaction-m> i inquired about the efnet one, it's gone. 21:57 < preaction-m> what should've happened is JT should've agreed to my request to branch for this calendar, so people can check out what i'm doing. but c'est la vie. 21:58 < preaction-m> trifle not in the affairs of hackers, for they are subtle and quick to temper 21:58 < preaction-m> perlbot karma preaction 21:58 < perlbot> preaction doesn't have any karma 21:58 < preaction-m> damnit... 21:58 * preaction-m & work 22:01 < bipolar> crythias: When I click on a user in 'Admin Console -> Users' I get a long delay, then I get returned to the homepage and the log says: 22:01 < bipolar> 2006/11/15 14:49:23 - FATAL - securityservicecompany.com.conf - Log::Log4perl::Appender::log[182] - Couldn't execute prepared statement: SELECT u.userId AS userId, a1.fieldData AS ldapConnection FROM users AS u INNER JOIN authentication AS a1 ON u.userId = a1.userId WHERE a1.fieldName = 'ldapConnection' AND u.authMethod = 'LDAP' ORDER BY ldapConnection, userId LIMIT ?,18446744073709551615 : With place holders: 0. Root cause: You have an error in 22:01 < bipolar> your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near ''0',18446744073709551615' at line 1 22:01 < bipolar> 2006/11/15 14:49:24 - ERROR - securityservicecompany.com.conf - Log::Log4perl::Layout::PatternLayout::render[[undef]] - Couldn't execute operation : WebGUI::Operation::Workflow::www_runWorkflow. Root cause: ModPerl::Util::exit: (120000) exit was called at /usr/local/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Session/ErrorHandler.pm line 217 22:02 < perlm> Plone comes in Fedora extras and is as easy to install as typing "yum install plone" as root. 22:02 < bipolar> Any content I edit ends up locked and I'm unable to commit it. 22:03 < perlm> The problem is Python doesn't have anything close to a CPAN and Python also has some things that are weird (so says Guido), plus and most horrendous, regex's aren't part of the language. 22:04 < perlm> so yes it looks pretty, but prettiness isn't a reason to choose a language. 22:04 < jZed> bipolar check spectre, when it goes out there's no warning and nothing gets commited 22:04 < bipolar> jZed: yeah, it's running 22:04 < preaction-m> perlm, if I were so inclined, i'd maintain an ubuntu package for wG, but for now i've got other things 22:05 < preaction-m> perlm: there is a gentoo package for webgui iirc 22:05 < bipolar> jZed: it seems to be a permissions error. I wish I could just reset the webgui user database and all the assets 22:06 < jZed> bipolar if you really want to wipe everything you can 22:06 < perlm> Guido plans a complete overhaul of Python 2000 (or 2, whatever) to fix a lot of things. My money is on Perl 6 as Guido's plans for Python 2 are just "bugfixes". 22:06 < bipolar> jZed: not everything, just the users. 22:06 < jZed> just go to mysql and do drop database some_domain_name 22:06 < preaction-m> and perl 6 is turning out to be Duke Nukem Forever 22:06 < perlm> it will be out next year. 22:06 < perlm> Spring or Summer target release date 22:06 < perlm> and it wil roxorz your soxorz 22:06 < preaction-m> seriously? awesome 22:07 * bipolar loads up IIS and Frontpage... well, not really.... 22:07 < jZed> for a variable definition of "next" 22:08 < perlm> Python2 will probably be ran on Parrot 99% of the time anyways :D 22:08 < perlm> So lusers can take their pretty whitespaces and non-native regexs and still user Perl6. 22:09 < preaction-m> Perl6 is not Parrot :p 22:09 < preaction-m> Parrot is bytecode, like java bytecode 22:09 < perlm> I know....but it is being developed for Perl 6 22:09 < preaction-m> Parrot also has interpreters for a whole slew of other languages 22:09 < perlm> I know. 22:09 < perlm> that is what I was saying about Python running on parrot most of the time. 22:10 < perlm> kind of crazy to think there will be a common layer where almost everyone's libraries can play nice together. 22:11 < preaction-m> it could've happened with java, if sun made interpreters/compilers for other languages into java bytecode 22:11 < preaction-m> and it is happening with .Net 22:11 < maxscience> hey I'm back 22:11 < maxscience> yeah I know the Perl 6 stuff 22:12 < maxscience> but, as of now, the typical hello world web app contest is won by Python 22:12 < maxscience> you code things faster 22:13 < preaction-m> print "Hello, World!\n"; # huh? 22:13 < preaction-m> oh, web, sorry 22:13 < maxscience> eheh yep.. I'm talking about full web app 22:13 < perlm> Look, you know of the Lisp IQ test? Perl is kind of like that. It is dense, hard to follow, but very powerful. If you need things at a llittle slower pace, no one is going to say "that's a bad idea". But don't knock the power users. 22:13 < preaction-m> print "Content-type: text/plain\n\n","Hello, World!\n"; # what? 22:13 < jZed> use CGI; print CGI::header(), "hello world" 22:14 < preaction-m> ew, i hate using CGI for HTML generation :p 22:14 < maxscience> lol CGI 22:14 < preaction-m> you can't talk about "hello, world" and a "full web-app" in the same sentence... 22:14 < jZed> I was golfing :-) 22:14 < preaction-m> orly 22:15 < maxscience> I can 22:15 < preaction-m> they're two different concepts... 22:15 < perlm> maxscience care to play golf on a Perl/Python hello world where the language also provides the webserver? 22:15 < maxscience> for "full web app" I meant how much it takes for the whole process to be done 22:15 < maxscience> Lines Of Code, Configuration, etc. 22:15 < preaction-m> sockets and all? 22:16 < maxscience> As an example, in J2EE you need XML configuration, Lines of code, server restarts, etc. 22:16 < maxscience> for a simple hello world 22:16 < preaction-m> but we're comparing Perl and Python 22:16 < maxscience> I know.. It was an example 22:16 < preaction-m> using CGI, both are pretty much the same. load the CGI module, print a header, print a string 22:17 < maxscience> eheh with Zope you don't need that 22:17 < maxscience> just the html code 22:17 < jZed> same with Mason or PHP 22:17 < maxscience> you can do hello world pretty much with 1 line 22:17 < maxscience> PHP is unsecure 22:18 < jZed> if you're running Mason via mod_perl a "hello world" for the web is just: hello world 22:18 < maxscience> Mason needs tweaks to be as fast as python and it's an hassle to admin 22:18 < perlm> maxscience did you come here to just try to kill off the competition? Opensource software thrives because of a diverse ecosystem. There is room for WebGUI and Zope you know? 22:18 < preaction-m> any language is as secure as the code you write on it 22:19 < maxscience> heh perlm don't take me wrong.. I chose WebGUI as my CMS.. Just wanted to get your opinions on the matter 22:19 < preaction-m> PHP is BAD as a language, doesn't mean you can't write good apps in it 22:19 < maxscience> But afterall, it reduces to a Perl fanboys vs Python fanboys 22:19 < preaction-m> perlbot BAD 22:19 < perlbot> Broken As Designed - There comes a time when it's easier to start from scratch. 22:19 < maxscience> I'm no fanboy that's why I can think freely lol 22:19 < preaction-m> so why are you persisting in the holy war? 22:20 < maxscience> it's not meant to be an holy war... Till you're thinking it that way 22:20 < maxscience> anyway you're from plainblack? 22:21 < preaction-m> basically thus: when it comes to perl and python i have no opinion either way, I use Perl because I know Perl 22:22 < maxscience> yeah that's the thing.. 22:22 < perlm> I rely to much on CPAN to switch to Python. Too many powerful libs lacking in Python. 22:22 < preaction-m> and when Perl finally becomes viable for applications programming (thanks to Parrot), I will keep using 22:22 < maxscience> Anyway I'm looking forward to Perl 6 22:23 < perlm> There is a great Perlcast on 6. 22:23 < maxscience> Plone community is just much bigger than WebGUI community... And Plone is a fairly new CMS 22:23 < perlm> or maybe it was a cnet cast 22:23 < maxscience> one reason is that it's much simpler to install 22:24 < preaction-m> i think for the most part, wG community has been rather secular 22:24 < perlm> Does Python have web templating? 22:24 < preaction-m> in just a few short weeks, this channel has doubled in size 22:24 < maxscience> sure it has 22:24 < preaction-m> any language more than two weeks old has web templating :p 22:24 < maxscience> trough Zope or TurboGears 22:24 < ckotil> preaction-m: true. i bet it keeps growing 22:25 < bipolar> ok. I'm going to try one last thing. I'm going to try to move my old, broken site to a new webgui instance. I have the new instance running and it seems to work. I've exported my old style to a package. 22:25 < maxscience> heh preaction.. Just login to the plone channel.. 172 users now... Here 12 22:25 < maxscience> And usually there are about 6 22:26 < maxscience> But the issue it's not really about the IRC channel... It's about Contributions 22:26 < ckotil> the difference has got to be plainblacks business model 22:26 < ckotil> its a business...MAN 22:26 < maxscience> yeah that's right 22:28 < jZed> other languages have lots more user oriented apps than perl, but perl has more developer oriented modules, it's not just webgui, perl in general doesn't face towards users by default 22:28 < maxscience> yeah that's right 22:28 < preaction-m> there's also that Perl is more oriented towards individualism it seems 22:28 < maxscience> and that makes it an old-fashioned language 22:28 < preaction-m> hell, before i got hired, i wrote my own web framework 22:28 < preaction-m> old-fashioned, it's as old as I am 22:28 < preaction-m> learning curve too 22:29 < preaction-m> Perl6 won't be the magic hammer that fixes the Perl community, but I've got a few ideas I'd like to see to help Perl itself 22:29 < maxscience> preaction-m: you're developing calendar enhancements for WebGUI? 22:29 < preaction-m> enhancements nothing, i'm rewriting the whole damned thing 22:30 < maxscience> nice... With iCal/vCal and CalDAV in mind? ;) 22:30 < preaction-m> iCalendar from the start 22:30 < maxscience> any ETA? 22:30 < preaction-m> my first draft is due monday 22:30 < ckotil> My group is really going to appreciate this preaction-m 22:30 < maxscience> oh so you're pretty much done? 22:30 < preaction-m> nowhere near 22:31 < preaction-m> i'm pulling 14+ hour days until then 22:31 < maxscience> so how much till the end more or less? :) 22:32 < bipolar> main::http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=undef - Couldn't execute operation : WebGUI::Operation::User::www_editUser. Root cause: Can't call method "get" on an undefined value at /usr/local/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Auth/LDAP.pm line 212. 22:32 < bipolar> *sigh* 22:32 < bipolar> how the heck did that wikipidia crap get stuck in there? 22:33 < bipolar> gah 22:33 < maxscience> lol no idea 22:33 < preaction-m> i'm hoping i get a weekend, i had plans... 22:33 < bipolar> main::[[undef]] - Couldn't execute operation : WebGUI::Operation::User::www_editUser. Root cause: Can't call method "get" on an undefined value at /usr/local/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Auth/LDAP.pm line 212. 22:34 < preaction-m> bipolar: what's on that line? 22:34 < bipolar> it was an option in konverstation 22:34 < perlm> maxscience why did you chose WebGUI over Plone? 22:34 < bipolar> my $connection = $ldapLink->get; 22:35 < bipolar> preaction-m: I have no ldap users. 22:35 < preaction-m> bipolar: then ldap should be disabled as an authentication method in your config file 22:35 < bipolar> preaction-m: nor do I want webgui/ldap integration at this point. it shouldn't even be looking for it. 22:35 < bipolar> preaction-m: crap... let me see if thats there.... 22:35 < maxscience> well for the time I evaluated Plone, it was not mature enough and it lacked some features... Also some issues about templating flexibility 22:36 < perlm> but now you think it is better? 22:36 < maxscience> WebGUI really needs to jump in the AJAX bandwagon asap 22:36 < maxscience> for some aspects, it's a lot better 22:36 < perlm> It is moving towards Ajax very rapidly. 22:36 < perlm> already has a lot of Ajax. 22:37 < preaction-m> we just included Yui to standardize the core JS library 22:37 < bipolar> preaction-m: jeez... how did I miss that.... the weird thing is I had that on for both sites, but only this one gives me errors. 22:37 < maxscience> not enough... JT chose the WebGUI ajax tookit about 2 weeks ago 22:37 < maxscience> yeah YUI 22:37 < perlm> At least he went with YUI 22:38 < preaction-m> also, ajax is overused imho. it's used in place of POST when POST should be done 22:38 < maxscience> he asked the "community" some feedback on that.. Everyone said "go for scriptaculous+prototype" and he went YUI lol 22:38 < maxscience> well "WebGUI" it's a pretentious name... And the GUI of the web now is ajax... Web 2.0 22:40 < preaction-m> when POST isn't right, use ajax. example: the calendar will have a button to immediately grab new feed data, using an ajax call 22:40 < ckotil> cool 22:40 < preaction-m> web2.0 is a crap buzzword, but then so is ajax for that matter 22:40 < preaction-m> but ajax works better than XMLHttpRequest 22:40 < maxscience> it's not crap 22:41 < preaction-m> it is crap, web 2.0 is nothing new. it's just that finally the awesome innovations that certain sites have created are being mainstreamed 22:41 < perlm> YUI is the best AJAX framework out there, easily. And if you start talking about documentation, it because blantantly obvious. 22:41 < maxscience> it's nothing new, but it's not crap ;) 22:42 < maxscience> and implementations are pretty new anyway... That matters for end users 22:43 < maxscience> look at that http://www.plainblack.com/user_contributions/user_contributions/assets/jshttpproxy-1.2 22:44 < ckotil> oh hell yeah. 22:44 < ckotil> ive been waiting for that 22:44 < maxscience> it's HttpProxy with AJAX... I proposed to merge it with the actual one 22:44 < ckotil> i need to try that out, see if i can use that in places where i was forced to use iframe 22:45 < ckotil> i was unable to use httpproxy bc of our CAS authentication. with jshttpproxy, the users web browser will be retrieving the data rather then webgui so the authentication should be passed along A OK. 22:45 < ckotil> i hope. that sound reasonable? 22:47 < bipolar> preaction-m: thanku,thanku,thanku! I can now make changes and commit them. I can also access my user settings again. Now I have only one more issue unresolved. 22:48 < bipolar> I think I may have some incompatible tinyMCE plugins or something else that is messing up my edits. This site has been upgraded all the way up from 6.4 or so. 22:49 < bipolar> It's not saving formating of text. specificly, alignment and styles. 22:49 < maxscience> rich edit and image manipulation in Plone is just MUCH better 22:49 < bipolar> OMG 22:49 < bipolar> I don't give a rats about plone right now. 22:49 < maxscience> I'm not talking to you :D 22:51 < jZed> hmm, my daughter just IM'd me this course descriptiion from the University of Washington : LING 270 Introduction to Perl Programming for Linguists (5) Bender %~ 22:51 < jZed> Fundamentalprogramming techniques, including data types, control flow, regularexpressions, file handling, GUI design, and CGI interaction. Contentrelates to a variety of linguistic concepts including syntax,morphology, phonology, lexicon building and foreign language corpora.No previous programming necessary; however, a background in generallinguistic theory is assumed. 22:52 < maxscience> hah universities use to teach old languages :D 22:52 < jZed> The title: LING 209 Introduction to Perl Programming for Linguists 22:53 < maxscience> Perl syntax is such non-user friendly that I find it hard for linguists 22:53 < maxscience> although it might perform what they need just fine 22:58 -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:59 -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui 22:59 < ckotil> http://weathermap.grnoc.iu.edu/nlrmaps/layer2.html 9.9 gbps !!!! 23:00 < maxscience> The webgui custom modules for TinyMCE really need some overhaul.. Like the Image Editor.... 23:00 < ckotil> supercomputing 2006 is going on right now in tampa, FL . and all the research and education networks are having speed tests 23:00 < ckotil> http://nlrsc06.grnoc.iu.edu/ 23:01 < maxscience> hah 23:02 -!- maxscience [n=maxscien@85-18-14-23.fastres.net] has quit ["Quitting!"] 23:03 -!- maxscience [n=maxscien@85-18-14-23.fastres.net] has joined #webgui 23:03 < maxscience> heh have to go 23:03 -!- maxscience [n=maxscien@85-18-14-23.fastres.net] has quit [Client Quit] 23:30 < bipolar> preaction-m: any idea what might be causing the editor to drop formating? 23:35 < bipolar> If I bypass the editor and just edit the html directly the changes do get saved, so it must be the editor. 23:43 < bipolar> It's only affecting this one site on this webgui install. the other sites editor works fine. 23:54 < bipolar> well.... I'll have to try to find the problem later. 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Now her husband is Fed-ex. 01:25 < Radix_> *groan* 01:25 < jZed> ups, you did it again 01:25 <+crythias> it's a taste of a poison'd paradise. 01:26 <+crythias> heh. what's this? $perls 01:26 <+crythias> it's a string of perls 01:27 < jZed> what's this? s/i/i/g; 01:27 < Radix_> i for an i 01:27 <+crythias> an I for an i 01:27 < jZed> ... the old testament 01:28 <+crythias> heh. http://search.cpan.org/~jwoodyatt/conjury-1.004/Core/cast 01:29 <+crythias> cast spells 01:29 < Radix_> just don't give up your day jobs guys :) 01:30 <+crythias> :) 01:31 < jZed> if I gave up my day job guys, I'd have to work 01:32 <+crythias> Graphics Programming in Perl http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2002/07/23/review.html 01:32 <+crythias> just sayin'. 01:35 <+crythias> http://search.cpan.org/~tonyc/Imager-0.54/Imager.pm 01:56 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #webgui 02:16 < perlm> wow, it only took about 1 minute to install Plone. 02:25 < perlm> Besides Perl, can anyone tell me why WebGUI is better than Plone? 02:29 < jZed> we had that discussion once today 02:29 < jZed> the plone supporters mentioned UI and ease of install and community 02:30 < jZed> even if plone is good, perl deserves a plone, so webgui++ 02:33 < perlm> I just wonder if all the interesting new developments are moving away from Perl. 02:33 < jZed> some are, some aren't 02:35 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Radix@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 02:37 < perlm> yeah, plus I just like Perl 03:26 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:58 -!- Radix-wrk changed the topic of #webgui to: WebGUI (stable: 7.2.1) || Need help? 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It has hostages."] 11:07 -!- maxscience [n=maxscien@85-18-14-23.fastres.net] has joined #webgui 11:08 < maxscience> mmh the update script fails to get the mirrors list 12:13 < maxscience> pls vote "Everywhere" on this Poll http://www.plainblack.com/support 15:34 < ckotil> i ran into that when i tried to install webgui on a windows machine 15:46 < maxscience> oh.. And how you got it sorted? 15:47 < ckotil> i didnt 15:47 < ckotil> it failed and so did i 15:47 < maxscience> lol 15:47 < maxscience> But it worked the day after? 15:47 < ckotil> i only tried once 15:48 < maxscience> I see 15:51 < Radix_> err.. just try it again.. it's probably your link not getting the file 15:51 < ckotil> ill give it a shot 15:53 < ckotil> I want to see web2.0 JS EVERYWHERE 16:01 < maxscience> heh I tried 10 times and at different times 16:02 < Radix_> actually.. as much as I like ajax, I don't think it should be everywhere. Some things don't warrant it, and nor do you want all the baggage that would come with it. 16:03 < Radix_> would be nice to have a neat framework that we could all work with though.. should we want to reload an object or do something on the fly 16:03 < maxscience> I want it everywhere :P 16:04 < Radix_> why? 16:04 < maxscience> because it allows to fix WebGUI UI which is bad 16:05 < maxscience> compared to other CMSs like Plone 16:05 < maxscience> WebGUI needs to jump in the AJAX bandwagon asap 16:06 < maxscience> for example... The draggable content JS WebGUI has right now it's not compatible with Safari. If plainblack replaces that with the YUI Ajax equivalent, it'll work 16:07 < maxscience> using ajax can also mean better compatibility not just worst compatibility 16:07 < maxscience> not to mention the other cool things you can do with it 16:28 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has joined #webgui 16:28 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 16:52 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@d-ip-129-15-97-108.oulan-south.ou.edu] has joined #webgui 18:14 -!- maxscience [n=maxscien@85-18-14-23.fastres.net] has quit ["Quitting!"] 18:26 -!- jZed__ [n=jeff@dsl093-039-031.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #webgui 18:27 -!- jZed__ is now known as jZed 18:34 < perlm> Preaction, how's the calendar going? Kicking butt? 18:35 < jZed> it would be, but he forgot to mark this week as a work week on his calendar 18:36 < perlm> DOH! 18:49 < ckotil> How can I upload ~100 files efficiently? filepile would take all day 19:04 <+crythias> zip 19:04 <+crythias> or create a passthru upload dir. like.. um.. uploads 19:05 <+crythias> funny thing is, you can make a subdir of uploads and dump anything you want there. 19:05 <+crythias> of: in 19:05 <+crythias> ckotil 19:16 < ckotil> ok. 19:16 < ckotil> i tried to use the zip asset 19:16 < ckotil> i zipped up all the files and uploaded the zip but then i cant do anything with the files inside the zip 19:18 <+crythias> it should have unzipped the lot and assigned assets to them. but the other is *easier*... create a folder under /uploads and ftp stuff to it. 19:19 <+crythias> then ref site/uploads/file.ext 19:20 <+crythias> er. site/uploads/myfolder/file.ext 19:21 < ckotil> ok. i like that way better. 19:22 < ckotil> well...i really would like to have the files as assets tho. im migrating our weekly reports into webgui 19:22 < ckotil> the process is pretry painsteaking and manual 19:22 < ckotil> with webgui someone can simply turn on admin mode and add a file. DONE 19:23 < ckotil> i made this nice template and macro to rewrite the file name into part of the link description 19:23 <+crythias> well, there is this multiple file upload java applet.. 19:24 <+crythias> but I haven't suggested it work with WebGUI atm. 19:24 <+crythias> http://sourceforge.net/projects/jupload/ 19:24 < ckotil> k. what kind of asset shoudl i be in when uploading the zip asset? 19:25 <+crythias> shouldn't make a difference. 19:25 < ckotil> hrm. 19:25 < ckotil> bc ive tried page layout, and folder. 19:25 < ckotil> the zip just remains a zip. 19:25 <+crythias> I mean, seriously, if the zip upload works, it should work. 19:25 < ckotil> k 19:25 < ckotil> does it handle tar? 19:25 < ckotil> i made the zip on my mac. 19:25 < ckotil> im wondering if that is fucking it up 19:25 <+crythias> prob not. 19:25 <+crythias> prob has to be pkzip zip 19:26 < ckotil> ill try that. thx 19:26 <+crythias> np 19:27 <+crythias> tar seems to be valid 19:28 < ckotil> coo 19:30 < jZed> I'm going to be setting up a community that provides a specific, limited WebGUI site for each member. Any pointers to how to automate that and how to do comm\unity-wide analytics, searches, etc? 19:34 -!- preaction-m [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui 19:35 <+crythias> you mean like demo.plainblack.com? 19:35 < jZed> yeah, I suppose that's an example 19:36 < jZed> though it doesn't do any community-wide analytics or searches, does it? 19:36 <+crythias> not really. it's per db 19:36 < jZed> and also, it presents the full WebGUI to each user 19:37 < jZed> whereas we'd want a specific template with common look/feel and a restricted set of admin options 19:37 <+crythias> 'kay. 19:37 <+crythias> but you wouldn't necessarily easily sync user config between main/sub webgui sites. no heirarchy 19:37 < jZed> am I wrong in thinking that WebGUI can be made to work that way? 19:38 <+crythias> depends on what your limits are. 19:38 <+crythias> in general, no. 19:38 < jZed> what kind of limits? 19:38 <+crythias> a customized addsite script 19:38 <+crythias> with a preconfigured limitation on the access levels... 19:39 <+crythias> and possibly even a configured mysql dump of a skeleton webgui instance to redistribute.. 19:40 < jZed> right, those are the kinds of things I was thinking 19:40 <+crythias> not unreasonable. 19:40 <+crythias> the key is what are your restrictions to impose? 19:41 < jZed> to start each user will have a profile, a blog, a photo gallery, and a video gallery and nothing else 19:42 <+crythias> mmkay. do you need them to have an entire webgui instance or can you give them their own group? 19:42 < jZed> we'd control navigation so the members shouldn't have ability to muck with menus 19:42 < jZed> Could you explain how it would be done with groups? 19:43 <+crythias> a user is created and (at the moment, it has to be done manually, but I've been rfe'ing this forever) a user is assigned to his own group. 19:44 <+crythias> a deployed package can be assigned access rights (edit, etc) from this group. 19:44 <+crythias> read: this user's group has edit rights to the deployed package instance. 19:45 <+crythias> admin is always a member of every group, but you could also add Content Managers (if you have multiple content mangers/ helpers that can change any site) 19:46 < jZed> So there'd be a generic user and members would belong to that user's group and create their mini-sites as pages within that user's area and all would be one VH and one DB? 19:47 <+crythias> no.. 19:47 <+crythias> a real user has his own group 19:47 < jZed> ah, but is *also* a member of the macro-group? 19:49 < jZed> # sorry I'm clueless about groups 19:50 <+crythias> no. 19:50 <+crythias> hrm.. 19:50 <+crythias> an asset has a group that can edit that asset. 19:50 <+crythias> only members of that group can edit that asset 19:51 <+crythias> a group that is assigned to the asset needs members. 19:51 <+crythias> a group that has only the one user has only the user as eligible to edit. 19:51 <+crythias> administrator is a default member of every group, so admin can't be restricted from any other group activity. 19:52 <+crythias> a package can be created that has only the assets as part of the package.. 19:52 <+crythias> this package can be deployed under a defined directory structure. 19:53 <+crythias> once deployed, this deployment instance's edit group can be configured to a person's unique edit group. 19:55 < jZed> ok so each member still has their own site/db but it is pre-populated with the package 19:56 < jZed> or am I still lost? 19:56 <+crythias> no separate db, unlesss that's what you want. 19:57 <+crythias> my question to you is this: what constitutes a "site" to you? 19:57 < jZed> hrm, I'd prefer one db, how would that be done? 19:57 * crythias whimpers silently. 19:59 < jZed> For now a site is [one profile page, one blog, multiple photo and video galleries] with ability to set perm levels for any of those, eventually forums, calendars, feeds, etc. would be optional add-ons to a site 20:00 < jZed> # if you're whimpering because of my cluelessness, sorry, I'll read up on groups right away 20:00 <+crythias> would it be acceptable to do a la myspace.com/users/username? 20:00 < jZed> yes, for sure, that's what we'd want 20:00 <+crythias> do you know how to make a package? 20:01 < jZed> not yet, but I grok the idea and don't anticipate troubles there 20:03 < jZed> I should explain: I'm architect for a big project, we had intended to roll our own in Mason, but because of time limations I decided to try WebGUI instead, I've had all of three days experience actually using WebGUI, but my 14+ years as a perl developer (and my team also) should help 20:03 < jZed> I just don't know yet how much can be done directly with WebGUI and how much we'll have to do via customization 20:07 < jZed> if we have to customize, my hope is that it will be via subclasses we can eventually contribute back to CPAN or wherever 20:10 <+crythias> but you do understand why users get their own groups in Linux, right? 20:12 < jZed> um, yes 20:12 <+crythias> apparently, this is considered a security risk (?) in WebGUI. 20:15 <+crythias> http://www.plainblack.com/etcetera/cant-instanciate-template 20:15 <+crythias> sorry 20:15 <+crythias> http://www.plainblack.com/etcetera/use-isolation/security 20:18 < jZed> thanks, that's helpful 20:18 < jZed> I'm still unclear on the relation between a system user/group and a WebGUI user/group and what grouping would have to do with the VHs and DBs 20:19 <+crythias> system user/group is analogy 20:19 < jZed> k 20:19 <+crythias> nothing but a "why should there be auto user-group in WebGUI" 20:20 <+crythias> grouping is alternative to vh/db 20:20 < jZed> that's the part I don't get yet 20:21 <+crythias> I realize I get terse in my statements, but I don't understand your issue. 20:22 <+crythias> figure a group as an access control ... 20:22 < jZed> and I'm sorry to be clueless ... what would be the steps in setting up a new member's site in terms of the db? 20:22 <+crythias> don't 20:22 <+crythias> just deploy a package 20:22 <+crythias> which you don't understand at the moment :) 20:22 < jZed> right 20:22 <+crythias> it's not a filesystem deploy. it's an asset [group] deploy 20:23 <+crythias> it happens completely within the WebGUI um.. UI 20:23 <+crythias> one sec 20:24 <+crythias> http://www.plainblack.com/?op=viewHelp;hid=packages%20using;namespace=WebGUI 20:24 <+crythias> a Package becomes the same as "Article" 20:25 <+crythias> How do you add an Article? 20:25 <+crythias> same way as a Package. 20:25 <+crythias> :) 20:26 < jZed> um, ok, I more or less see how to do it with packages, what I don't understand is what is being done ... what does adding a package do to the DB? 20:26 < jZed> and/or the filesys 20:26 <+crythias> what does adding (deploying) an article do to the db? 20:27 <+crythias> the point is.. do you care? 20:27 < jZed> um yes, if I need to do community-wide searches, tagging, and analytics, I do care what happens to the DB :-) 20:28 <+crythias> let me rephrase the question.. does it matter to those things what happens if you add an article to a webgui install? 20:28 <+crythias> the answer is: no. 20:28 * jZed whimpers silently 20:29 <+crythias> why doesn't it matter? 20:29 <+crythias> because all those things query the same db. 20:29 <+crythias> the packages are just simple ways of adding multiple assets at once... such as a photo gallery, a forum, a profile page, etc. 20:30 <+crythias> and you'd add them at a url point for a user. 20:30 <+crythias> inside the big webgui instance. 20:30 <+crythias> and you'd give them their own permissions in that sub-world within the original WebGUI deployment 20:31 <+crythias> and because the original WebGUI deployment is the same database with a bunch of additional asset instances, it becomes nothing to the search function to find what's in the database. 20:32 <+crythias> note: we're talking about asset instances, not webgui instances, and not VH 20:33 <+crythias> and not additional databases 20:33 < jZed> so instead of multiple joe_host.domain, sue_host_domain MySQL databases, there's only a webgui_host_domain database 20:33 <+crythias> yeah 20:34 <+crythias> and their urls will be webgui.domain/users/username 20:34 <+crythias> but you can always tweak apache to try to map username.webgui.domain to webgui.domain/users/username if you wish. 20:34 < jZed> and that will work for millions of users? 20:35 <+crythias> beats me. I don't have millions of users to try it on. 20:35 < jZed> I'll let you know :-) 20:35 < jZed> # not that I have a million users now either 20:35 <+crythias> and I don't have an automated way atm to do it. that'd be something that a macro or a post 20:36 <+crythias> post-registration activity can do. 20:36 <+crythias> but if your infrastructure can handle the single db with lots of users, it should be fine. That's when you have a reverse proxy front end, though. 20:37 <+crythias> which, incidentally, appears to be how WRE is configured. 20:40 < jZed> so essentially a user would register, a script would add them to the site-group and their own group and create dirs/urls for their assets and add the pre-prepared package to their assets 20:41 <+crythias> that's the idea. and no messy additional dbs 20:41 < jZed> very nice, I was hoping for something like that 20:41 <+crythias> we cool? 20:42 < jZed> you cool! 20:42 <+crythias> wonderful. 20:42 < jZed> my CTO may prove to be glad I recommended WebGUI yet :-) 20:44 < jZed> thanks for your advice 21:12 < preaction-m> there's a runOnRegistration thing too, that can run any arbitrary program (that could set up that subdomain redirect, deploy the package, create the user's group, etc...) 21:18 < ckotil> anyone know where this template is located within the import node? http://globalnoc.iu.edu/abilene/support/weekly-reporting3.html?op=auth;method=logout 21:21 < jZed> thanks Doug, that should help 21:22 < preaction-m> ckotil: you mean the login template? 21:24 < ckotil> is that what that is? 21:24 < preaction-m> it's telling me to log in 21:24 < ckotil> Ive tried to editing it in the past, but didnt see any results. 21:24 < ckotil> yeah. 21:25 < ckotil> thats what im talking about, the login template 21:25 < ckotil> We dont use usernames/passwords on my site, I want to add the CAS login button to that template 21:27 < preaction-m> go to /root?func=manageAssets , go to Search, type in "Login" and select WebGUI::Asset::Template 21:27 < preaction-m> the one you want says Default WebGUI Login Template, i believe 21:27 < ckotil> ok. thanks 21:28 <+crythias> part is logout, part may be the Settings->UI 21:31 <+crythias> perlbot help 21:31 < perlbot> (fact)::tell (who) about (what)::(what) > (who)::learn (what) as (info)::relearn (fact) as (info)::phone (phone number)::shorten (url)::shorten it::search (module)::docs (module)::perldoc -f (function)::jargon (term)::math::fortune::flip::host (type) (record)::rot13::roll (die)::tempconv (temp)::scramble (foo)::8ball::slap::diss::what time is it::top/bottom (number) karma::geoip (ip) 21:33 < ckotil> thats the one preaction-m , thanks 21:57 -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction-m] by ChanServ 21:57 < ckotil> yikes. JSHttpProxy broke my dev server 22:00 -!- preaction-m [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit ["Testing 1.. 2.. 3.."] 22:02 -!- preaction-m [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui 22:02 -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction-m] by ChanServ 22:33 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] --- Day changed Fri Nov 17 2006 02:19 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has quit ["Leaving."] 02:26 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@d-ip-129-15-97-108.oulan-south.ou.edu] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 03:11 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Radix@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 03:23 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 03:23 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 05:34 < Radix-wrk> woot.. WRE 0.7.2 finally released 05:35 -!- Radix-wrk changed the topic of #webgui to: WebGUI (stable: 7.2.1) WRE (0.7.2) || Need help? Ask and wait patiently (it might take awhile) 05:47 <+crythias> sigh 05:47 <+crythias> I had to update my faq 05:48 <+crythias> btw... WRE saved my skin in upgradeing a 6.2.11 old version. 06:00 < Radix-wrk> oh? how so? 06:05 <+crythias> dropped it in, installed the IKC stuff and then.. upgraded from 6.2.11 slowly. 06:06 <+crythias> until 6810, it was good, but I did all this before reading that 7.2.1 can't upg from 6810 06:06 <+crythias> which I actually read about 15 minutes ago 06:20 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #webgui 06:22 < perlm> ah...I just installed 7.2.0(beta) 4 days ago. And 7.2.1 stable is out? I've only had this a week and now I have to figure out how to upgrade :P 06:39 < perlm> that may have been one of the least painful upgrades ever. 06:39 < perlm> we likeses. 07:16 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 08:09 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:12 -!- jZed [n=jeff@dsl093-039-031.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has left #webgui [] 08:34 < Radix-wrk> anyone know if there's a macro or some way in the nav template to get the last updated time for a given page? 08:36 < Radix-wrk> looks like I might need an updated ^LastModified() macro.. but one that takes a given webgui asset url and then works it out 08:43 < Radix-wrk> Well.. that was easy.. LastModifiedPage.pm macro is born.. 08:47 < Radix-wrk> means you can create perfect sitemap.xml files with a simple navigation template now :) 10:55 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Radix@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Windows doesn't have users. 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Can I have the files that get uploaded there automatically become assets? 17:50 <+crythias> um. passthru url isn't (I think) necessary for /uploads 17:50 <+crythias> because it probably already is. 17:50 <+crythias> besides that, no, it can't be an asset because it's a passthru 17:51 <+crythias> there is another .pl I think in WebGUI/sbin that is also supposed to convert files to assets 17:51 <+crythias> fileImport.pl 17:52 <+crythias> unf. it seems to be pics 17:52 <+crythias> jpg jpeg png gif 17:52 <+crythias> but that can be potentially changed by your own hand. 17:57 < ckotil> oh perfect. thanks 18:11 < ckotil> http://www.fresh99.com/messy-networks.htm 18:14 <+crythias> wow. http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/cubegoodies/8b4e/ 18:15 <+crythias> is that water? 18:15 < ckotil> yes :/ 18:16 <+crythias> this.. scares me. 18:17 <+crythias> http://www.gwy2.org/photos/index.php?album=%2FFBCN%2F&image=DCP_0107.jpg 18:18 < ckotil> nice and neat 18:18 < ckotil> the water thing happened here in one of our server rooms 18:19 < ckotil> instead of permanatly fixing the problem the physical plan installed sensors to tell us when water was gathering 20:35 < ckotil> is there a reason why http://noc.nlr.net/media/nlr/images/nlr-peering-wl2.pdf works in safari and IE but not ff? 20:35 < ckotil> in ff it shows source. 20:35 < ckotil> http://noc.nlr.net/public/uploads/4g/x3/4gx3aMPGNE5gxTddBGtmzw/nlr-peering-wl2.pdf works however. 20:36 < ckotil> is there a MIME setting im overlooking? 20:41 < perlm> I'm frick'n pumped. Just got the go ahead to install WebGUI on a test box at work. We start moving our website into the portal after the break. 20:43 < ckotil> nice 20:44 < perlm> Yeah. I'm looking forward to porting all my online surveys into WebGUI and then never having to write another servey again. 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02:49 < jZed__> ah, see - no answer for that one 02:49 < jZed__> # I cheated 03:37 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 03:37 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythia1] by ChanServ 03:37 -!- jZed__ [n=jeff@dsl093-039-031.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] 08:18 -!- Troobloo [i=Troobloo@cpe-24-33-20-172.midsouth.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui 08:23 < Troobloo> i am building a website, i need to allow registered users to create their own page and upload photos, and audio files. i want to create a page for this with forms and radio buttons to make it simple for the users, any suggestions? 08:34 -!- Troobloo [i=Troobloo@cpe-24-33-20-172.midsouth.res.rr.com] has quit [] 09:02 < Radix_> Yes, wait around longer if you expect an answer 15:25 <+crythia1> making webgui into myspace is going to take some doing. 17:09 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:57 < perlm> Troobloo was funny 21:29 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 21:29 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythia1] by ChanServ 21:40 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #webgui [] 22:52 < perlm> Anyone know the price range for new website themes from PlainBlack? 22:53 < perlm> Surely I should be able to get a custom theme and a few icons for a couple hundred dollars, right? --- Day changed Mon Nov 20 2006 02:00 -!- preaction-m [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:00 -!- preaction-m [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui 02:00 -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction-m] by ChanServ 02:29 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Radix@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 03:38 -!- crythia2 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 03:38 -!- crythia2 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #webgui [] 06:50 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 08:34 -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:34 -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui 10:36 -!- matejko_ [n=matej@84-255-205-101.static.dsl.t-2.net] has joined #webgui 10:58 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Radix@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Windows doesn't have users. 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in /data/wre/prereqs/apache/logs I see only modproxy.error.log and modperl.error.log 20:03 <@preaction-m> there are two servers? thus two error logs? 20:04 < jZed> so, when I get "Fatal Internal Error" which log do I look in? 20:05 <@preaction-m> look in both, i'd start with modproxy though, since that's the first server that's reached 20:05 <@preaction-m> then modperl 20:05 <@preaction-m> then webgui.log 20:05 < jZed> I looked in all three of those and couldn't find an error with a timestamp for now 20:06 <@preaction-m> might be an apache problem, did you restart after you changed the config 20:06 <@preaction-m> are you using the appropriate hostname? 20:06 <@preaction-m> were it a wG problem, there would be something in either modperl log or webgui.log 20:07 < jZed> hmm, ok, now I get an error in the logs .. apparently MySQL doesn't recognize the hostname 20:07 <@preaction-m> is not localhost and/or 127.0.0.1 in your /etc/hosts? 20:08 < jZed> yes and set to demo 20:08 <@preaction-m> how about the site.webgui.conf 20:09 < jZed> it lists mysqlhost=myhostname 20:09 <@preaction-m> lists? 20:09 <@preaction-m> what's the entire dsn 20:10 < jZed> oh hmm, it's looking on port 3306 which is another mysql instance 20:25 < jZed> I should be able to run /data/wre/prereqs/mysql/bin/mysql, from the command line shouldn't I? 20:25 <@preaction-m> yes 20:25 <@preaction-m> source in /data/wre/sbin/setenvironment 20:25 < jZed> yeah, did that 20:25 <@preaction-m> . /data/wre/sbin/setenvironment 20:26 <@preaction-m> then which mysql 20:26 < jZed> ah, yes, good 20:26 < jZed> ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/data/wre/prereqs/mysql/mysql.sock' (2) 20:26 <@preaction-m> mysql.sock probably isn't owned by the mysql user 20:27 <@preaction-m> in fact, the entire directory should be owned by the mysql user 20:29 < jZed> that would be the adminuser defined in /data/wre/etc/demo.conf? 20:29 <@preaction-m> no, the user that mysql run's as 20:29 <@preaction-m> which should be mysql 20:29 <@preaction-m> the system user 20:30 <@preaction-m> do a ps aux | grep "mysql" <- should tell you what user the /data/wre mysql is running as 20:30 <+crythias> yeah and if you don't have a mysql user (which vanilla installs of OS don't), you're going to have issues. 20:33 <+crythias> read wre/docs/install.txt 20:34 < jZed> mysql is running as root 20:34 <+crythias> then it's already installed? 20:34 < jZed> the wre mysql, that is 20:35 < jZed> everything is installed, rc.webgui start reports success 20:35 <+crythias> sigh 20:36 <+crythias> yeah. 20:36 <+crythias> mysql never reports erros 'cause it goes to /dev/null 20:41 < jZed> ps aux lists wre/..../mysql.server start --defults-file=/data/wre/prereqs/mysql/my.cnf but there is no such file 20:41 <+crythias> 'cause you didn't run setup 20:41 < jZed> well, I did 20:42 <+crythias> if you did, then MySQl would have crapped out during setup 20:43 <+crythias> and... where is your my.cnf? 20:43 <+crythias> it gets created/updated with setup 20:43 < jZed> well, apparently it didn't 20:43 < jZed> I guess I should rerun setup 20:44 <+crythias> do you have a user in /etc/passwd called "mysql"? 20:44 < jZed> yep 20:44 <+crythias> is there an /etc/my.cnf? 20:44 < jZed> yes 20:44 <+crythias> get rid of it 20:44 <+crythias> rename it. whatever 20:45 <+crythias> or do you have mysql already running additionally? 20:45 < jZed> will that impact the 5 other mysql instances running on this prod server? 20:45 <+crythias> yes. 20:45 < jZed> :-) 20:45 < jZed> I thought it might 20:45 <+crythias> in that case... 20:46 <+crythias> you can put your db in your existing mysql and ignore the wre/sbin/rc.mysql 20:46 <+crythias> because it won't work. 20:46 <+crythias> unless you change the 3306 port to something else. 20:46 < jZed> I set the mysql port to something else in wre setup 20:47 <+crythias> what can I say? if you're ignoring what the wre docs say, you'll get what you get. 20:48 < jZed> crythias, thanks alot for your help # but can the sarcasm please 20:48 <+crythias> fair 'nuff. the WRE is supposed to be used for OS without apache, mysql, etc. 20:49 <+crythias> and webgui's designed to be the only thing running on the box. If you want to retrofit WebGUI, start from source, not wre. 20:49 < jZed> ok, I guess that was my mistake 20:51 <+crythias> if you think *I'm* sarcastic, you have thin skin, and obviously aren't reading the dev list. 20:51 < jZed> I can still use e.g. the perl from wre (cause CPAN failed to install a bunch of the prereqs when I tried installing from source) 20:51 <+crythias> sure. as long as the lib is included properly. 20:51 < jZed> well, I'm not going to die from the sarcasm but it sure ain't a way to build community 20:52 < jZed> and seriously, I do appreciate your help 20:52 < jZed> if it comes with sarcasm, so be it :-) 20:52 <+crythias> you might want to see about the Include in preload.perl 20:52 < jZed> can I run a demo site with the source install? 20:53 <+crythias> I don't understand the intent of the question. 20:54 < jZed> with wre if you choose demo, you get a site multiple people can create subsites on, how do I do that with a source install? 20:54 <+crythias> I didn't recall that being an option... I remember dev... 20:55 < jZed> If I remember setup first you choose dev/prod then it asks if you want to install demo 20:55 <+crythias> oh, yeah. um. ok... 20:55 <+crythias> we just had this conv with someone else. 20:55 <+crythias> not you/I=we, but ... 20:55 < jZed> setupDemo($setupType) unless ($isDev); 20:56 <+crythias> OK. my position: do you want a bunch of separate databases or do you just want to have one big happy family> 20:56 < jZed> one 20:57 <+crythias> I wouldn't recommend the demo setup. 20:57 < jZed> ah, ok 20:57 <+crythias> I'd give people their own group upon registration, and deploy a package for them. 20:58 <+crythias> right now, this isn't automatically a part of WebGUI, but seems to be a repetitive request. 20:59 <+crythias> this package deployment simply provides a set of assets at a location you designate. 20:59 <+crythias> in your master db 21:00 < jZed> so set up a single site, create a package, create a post-registration script that adds a user to a group, deploy the package for them 21:00 <+crythias> yep 21:00 <+crythias> with appropriate permissions. 21:00 < jZed> if I just want to experiment with my team, can I have them manually add themselves to their own group 21:00 <+crythias> groups aren't created spontaneously. 21:01 <+crythias> by the time you create a group, you might as well have members. 21:02 <+crythias> time [it takes] you [to] create 21:04 < jZed> well I need to get it up and running so that I can experiment with it to find out about groups and packages and such, so to begin with I just need something that I can run and that my team can run also without us stepping on each other, what's the simplest way to accomplish that? 21:11 < jZed> BTW, I just reread the Plain Black "Installation Options" and "WRE" and "Source Install" pages and none of them make any mention that one shouldn't use WRE with pre-installed apache/mysql ... 21:11 * crythias whimpers. 21:12 <+crythias> no, I supposed I goofed on that. 21:12 <+crythias> simplest is obvious not happening the way you're doing now. 21:13 <+crythias> from my pov, I'd create the db, create a virtualhost, drop the appropriate info in the right places, and make sure the wre perl preqs are in my includes, both in testEnvironment.pl and preload.perl 21:16 < jZed> ok, and I'll forget about the demo as you advised 21:16 < jZed> can I ask what the showstopper is for using wre on machines with their own mysqls and apaches? 21:17 <+crythias> I don't know. however, mysql seems to be fixated on /etc/my.cnf, no matter if it belongs or not. 21:17 < jZed> I mean I'm gonna have to setup my own apache instance anyway 21:18 < jZed> my /etc/my.cnf is very minimal, I don't see why it should matter, it isn't specific to a port 21:18 < jZed> [mysqld] 21:18 < jZed> max_connections=250 21:18 < jZed> that's the whole thing 21:18 <+crythias> weirdness 21:19 < jZed> it's because the box has like 6 different mysql instances 21:20 < jZed> so I'm having trouble wondering why the wre mysql just can't be added to the mix 21:20 <+crythias> doesn't bother me. it would seem reasonable to change the setenvironment 21:22 < jZed> so would I be crazy to try to get wre working here? it seems like it has other advantages 21:22 <+crythias> I'm fine if you want to disregard everything I've said up to this point. 21:23 < jZed> ok, I'm off to junk wre and do a source install, thanks 21:24 < ckotil> I run it from source 21:24 < ckotil> i like it. 21:24 < ckotil> Ive tried to do the wre on a couple of boxes and I could never get it working 21:24 < ckotil> fbsd 5.4, 6.1, RHAS4 21:24 <+crythias> I did rhas4 21:24 <+crythias> had to add two cpan things. 21:24 < jZed> yeah I got the source install working on my home debian, but coulnd't get wre working either there or on my work RHEL4 21:25 <+crythias> IKC things 21:25 < ckotil> ah. 21:26 < jZed> someone should hit the ColorNames guy with a cluestick, hangs every time I try to testEnvironment.pl 21:26 <+crythias> yeah 22:20 -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:53 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@d-ip-129-15-97-108.oulan-south.ou.edu] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 23:42 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has quit ["Leaving."] --- Day changed Tue Nov 21 2006 00:29 -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui 02:08 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Radix@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 02:40 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 02:40 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 02:41 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #webgui [] 02:41 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 02:41 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 03:54 -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:05 -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui 05:49 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #webgui [] 08:06 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Radix@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Windows doesn't have users. 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17:20 * crythias smacks himself 17:20 <+crythias> sorry 17:20 <+crythias> bad bad bad 17:20 < jZed> :-) 17:21 < jZed> a guy yesterday told me not to do WRE :-) 17:21 <+crythias> no, seriously, I apologize. brain seems to be elsewhere. 17:21 <+crythias> but... 17:21 < jZed> logs are clean now as far as I can tell 17:21 < jZed> there was the ImagaMagick and Spectre probs when I frist logged in 17:22 <+crythias> it wouldn't be unreasonable to drop, recreate the db, and reload the docs/create.sql 17:24 < jZed> ok, I'll give that a shot 17:30 < jZed> dang, same thing 17:30 < jZed> dropped and recreated the db 17:30 < jZed> got admin login 17:30 < jZed> logged in, changed name of my company, hit save, got a blank page 17:30 <+crythias> there's got to be something in webgui.log 17:31 < jZed> Couldn't call method view on asset for url: Root cause: Can't locate object method "get" via package "WebGUI::Storage::Image" at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Article.pm line 178. 17:32 <+crythias> let me check my faq 17:34 <+crythias> btw... where is your WebGUI dir? 17:34 < jZed> /data 17:35 <+crythias> this is a problem potentially with ImageMagick, I think 17:35 <+crythias> what does your testEnvironment.pl say 17:37 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@d-ip-129-15-97-108.oulan-south.ou.edu] has joined #webgui 17:37 < jZed> oh merde, Image::Magick problems 17:37 <+crythias> that makes sense to me. 17:38 <+crythias> if you can perl -e "use Image::Magick;" without errors, you're fine 17:39 < jZed> yeah I did perl -MImage... 17:39 < jZed> it isn't finding ImageMagick though I installed it last night 17:39 <+crythias> what OS again? 17:39 < jZed> RHEL4 17:39 <+crythias> rpm? 17:40 < jZed> I tried pointing at the WRE perl 17:40 < jZed> libs, but they're 5.8.8 and I'm on 5.8.7 17:40 < jZed> no not rpm, from tarball source 17:40 <+crythias> oh. well, it's a fast compile from source, if that helps any at all 17:40 <+crythias> you get the perl if you configure it. 17:41 <+crythias> if you don't ... you might not get it. 17:41 < jZed> I suppose that would work, how do I point things at that perl? in httpd.conf? 17:41 <+crythias> ? 17:41 < jZed> the WRE perl is working 17:42 <+crythias> mod_perl2 17:42 <+crythias> is compiled (I think) to talk to your system perl 17:42 < jZed> yeah, right 17:42 < jZed> so pointing at WRE perl won't help 17:43 <+crythias> :( sorry 17:43 <+crythias> if the include works, it works 17:43 < jZed> 'sokay, I'll go back to troubleshooting Image::Magic install 17:44 <+crythias> that'd be my suggestion, although, like I thought I might hav esaid, see what's in the includes in preload.perl 17:44 <+crythias> that is... 17:44 < jZed> well if perl -MImage::Magic fails ... 17:44 <+crythias> but use the -I"/path/to/wre/libs" 17:45 < jZed> yes, I did that 17:45 <+crythias> what error? 17:47 < jZed> well if I include any of the platform/5.8.8 files, I get a version mismatch error 17:47 < jZed> XS files, of course 17:48 <+crythias> ok. but I didn't have a problem with compiling ImageMagick with perl support with the ./configure 17:49 < jZed> yes, that worked for me 17:51 < jZed> hmm, maybe I configured ImageMagic with my wre environ set so it got linked to the wrong perl 17:51 <+crythias> possibly, although you'd see that error. 17:51 <+crythias> but nonetheless, I think I'd have you up and running in a jiffy 17:52 < jZed> happen to know where ImageMagick stores its libs and includes? 17:53 <+crythias> hm. 17:53 <+crythias> perhaps it's best to log out of root and try a fresh path 17:54 <+crythias> you might make clean and then ./configure, then check its paths in the Makefile 17:54 < jZed> well Image::Magic wants to know the path to ImageMagic 17:54 <+crythias> that ... 17:54 < jZed> yeah, the Makefile 17:54 <+crythias> the ImageMagick source makes Perl::Magick/Image::Magick 17:55 <+crythias> http://www.imagemagick.org/script/install-source.php 17:59 < jZed> thanks, I'm re-configuring 18:01 < jZed> if you need any perlish or dbi help in return, just holler :-) 18:01 <+crythias> heh :) 18:01 <+crythias> I just hope I'm helping. 18:02 < jZed> yes, definitely 18:02 <+crythias> I'm not batting well so far. 18:05 < jZed> woot! 18:05 <+crythias> hee 18:05 < jZed> re-made ImageMagic, got into my site, thanks 18:05 <+crythias> :) 18:06 <+crythias> that made sense to me. 18:25 < jZed> ok, back to making you whimper :-) 18:25 <+crythias> ? 18:25 <+crythias> you didn't start spectre 18:25 <+crythias> or it's not communicating 18:27 < jZed> no, it's all working , now I'm back to my conceptual problems: I still do not get the relation between a site, a member, a group ... I want new people to be able to sign up, and then have a site they can manage 18:27 <+crythias> that's not automatic, btw... you have to develop that yourself. 18:28 <+crythias> but the parts are there. 18:28 < jZed> can I do it manually, i.e. create users X,Y,Z and give them sites? 18:28 <+crythias> first, from the main page, create a Page Layout 18:29 <+crythias> give it a url of template 18:29 <+crythias> like /users/template 18:29 <+crythias> in this template page, add the asset types that you'd like in your package 18:30 <+crythias> in the page layout edit... you can click one of the tabs and "create a package" 18:30 <+crythias> then, yes, you can add a user, create a group for that user, and then add that user to the group. 18:31 <+crythias> from the main page, you can then deploy the created package with a given URL (I forget at the moment how that exactly works, but trial and error won't kill you :) 18:32 < jZed> great, thanks, that's plenty to get me started 18:32 <+crythias> then you mass update the package at the /users/user1 level and tell it to give edit perms to the user1group 18:34 <+crythias> don't forget the webgui.conf.original has info on restricting what can be seen by users (UILevel) and make certain users with sites have minimum UILevel but raise the UILevel for stuff they shouldn't see. 18:34 <+crythias> that should be: have a minimum required UILevel 18:34 < jZed> one more big picture question for you ... we are going to need sandboxes for a bunch of developers, a development staging area, a production site ... any tips on how to set all that up? sandboxes as just members on the dev site, a separate webgui instance on the prod box? 18:34 <+crythias> I'd consider that. 18:35 <+crythias> however copy/paste to the prod box is ... well, it's better because there's an export package functionality (not the same as site export) 18:35 <+crythias> I've not used it, but it's supposed to be the way to make and distribute themes, etc. 18:36 <+crythias> nonetheless, a sandbox could simply be a hidden area that doesn't show on your nav 18:36 <+crythias> for people who aren't in your sandbox group. 18:36 < jZed> that makes sense 18:39 < jZed> ok, here's a wild one ... can we run Mason (full, not standalone) and WebGUI, I know we can call Mason standalone form webgui, but I'm asking about e.g. having a Mason WebApp that handles some things in addition to what WebGui handles 18:39 <+crythias> do you need cross polination auth? 18:40 < jZed> probably, what is it ? :-) 18:40 <+crythias> does the mason auth need to know that the user is a legit webgui user? 18:40 < jZed> yep 18:41 <+crythias> the short answer is almost always "yes" but the long answer is how do you expect the mason app to know this? 18:42 < jZed> mason starts up, creates a WebApp object ... in a wG template, the WebApp is called with params passing wG session info to it ... 18:43 < jZed> # off the top of my head 18:43 <+crythias> btw you can use wsclient I think or soap to do some things... 18:43 < jZed> this is all so we can leverage our prexisting mason code 18:44 <+crythias> You can always iframe it. :) :) 18:44 <+crythias> or directly link 18:45 < jZed> I was thinking along the lines of creating a Mason::Template plugin so instead of HTML::Template, the templates would be mason components 18:46 <+crythias> sec 18:47 <+crythias> this was done a while ago, but no way it will work with 7.2.1 as is http://www.plainblack.com/mason_script__wobject#uOwFpELismsIDmxRSUVlvQ 18:49 < jZed> unless I'm misunderstanding, making a Wobject is a bit different from making a different templater, but that's good stuff for me to look at 18:50 <+crythias> yes, this is server side code 18:50 < jZed> hee, three hits from grep -ilr jzucker wre/prereqs/perl/* 18:54 < jZed> though it's not stuff you probably actually use 18:56 <+crythias> I must confess, no. :( 19:16 < jZed> made a page layout "User Package" with url users/template, said yes make it a package ... committed ... created a template "users/template" ... but how to add assets to the template? 19:16 <@preaction-m> another possibility could be HttpProxy 19:16 <+crythias> btw.. I was confusing ... 19:16 <@preaction-m> jZed: you'll probably want to create a folder, make a bunch of assets inside the folder, and then make the folder into a package 19:17 <+crythias> yeah. I just used the word template in an unauthorized use of the word, as it relates to webgui. 19:17 <+crythias> I used the word template in this case when I should have used the word "skeleton" 19:17 <+crythias> or scaffold 19:18 < jZed> aha, and the skeleton is a folder of assets which goes in the package 19:19 <+crythias> yeah. create your skeleton before your package 19:22 < jZed> btw, I have a very detailed log of my source webgui install, would it be useful to you? 19:23 <+crythias> not detailed. but you're welcome to check out my faq 19:25 < jZed> your faq was great and the log is pretty much just an exapnsion on it (and I reordered the steps so that instead of bouncing around, you do things one at a time - perl setup, apache setup, spectre setup, webgui dirs setup, mysql setup 19:26 < jZed> plus it includes some mistakes I made that people might want to watch out for :-) 19:29 <+crythias> that's exactly why I made the faq 19:29 <+crythias> the thing is, newbie errors are just as important to troubleshoot as real bugs 19:29 < jZed> yep 19:29 <+crythias> unfortunately, they tend to get lost in forums. 19:30 <+crythias> which is why I made the FAQ. 19:30 < jZed> k, maybe I missed the FAQ, are you talking about the Plain Back Install from Source pages? 19:30 <+crythias> uh-uh 19:30 <+crythias> no 19:30 <+crythias> http://www.gwy2.org/cgi-bin/fom 19:32 <+crythias> btw.. I don't work for plainblack. I'm just a guy. 19:32 <+crythias> but I did sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night. 19:32 < jZed> very cool, thanks for the FAQ, looks great 19:32 < jZed> and thanks for all your help, I thought you were a PB 19:34 < jZed> oh man, that FAQ is nice, how'd I miss it? 19:34 < jZed> crythias++ 19:35 <+crythias> I dunno. googling webgui faq 19:35 <+crythias> (same one) 19:36 <+crythias> within reason, most of the common questions are answered. Heck, I even reference it time to time... 19:43 < jZed> ok I have a folder made into a package, how do I add assets to it? go to package then new content? any way to add all at once? 19:44 <+crythias> deploy the folder, add assets, package folder 19:45 < jZed> what does deploy mean in that context? 19:45 <+crythias> it means you shouldn't have made a package without adding assets first 19:45 <+crythias> but then you deploy a package the same way as deploy assets 19:46 < jZed> ah, create folder, use new content to add assets to it, make it package, later deploy that package for other users 19:46 <+crythias> but I recommend page layout instead of folder 19:46 < jZed> but only way to add assets is one at a time? 19:47 < jZed> that's great when I want a minimal UI 19:47 <+crythias> except when deployed as a package 19:47 < jZed> but right now I want sandboxen for my team so they should have everything 19:48 <+crythias> should they need a poll and photogallery in their package or should they be allowed to add that at their leisure? 19:48 <+crythias> how much time will they spend deleting stuff in a package? 19:48 < jZed> duh, ok I see, for the admin people, they don't really need a package, they just add stuff themselves from the panel 19:49 < jZed> or they need a minimal package to start? 19:49 <+crythias> that is a question that you must answer 19:50 <+crythias> at minimum, IMO, they should have a page layout with permissions only for the dev group en masse or per developer. 19:50 <+crythias> either the dev group have the same sandbox or multiple devs have their own sandbox... 19:50 < jZed> ok, sounds right 19:51 < jZed> I'd want multiple devs with their own 19:51 <+crythias> so their "site" will be a Page Layout with the devuser1group having edit permissions. 19:51 <+crythias> devuser2group, etc. 19:52 <+crythias> what stuff they have access to on the admin bar is based upon devuser1's UILevel and config options in yourdomain.conf 19:52 < jZed> and what they do on their "site" has no impact on the main site itself or the other sandboxes 19:53 <+crythias> only the standard latency of database.. :) 19:53 <+crythias> but, cosmetically, no. 19:53 < jZed> excellent 19:53 <+crythias> as long as you have the permissions set properly. 19:54 <+crythias> btw, the permission model is explicit and not minimum or inherited. 19:54 <+crythias> sorta. 19:54 <+crythias> that is, if you say "Visitors" are the group that can can view a site, "Registered Users" won't be able to do that. 19:56 <+crythias> Admin is a member of every group. 19:57 <+crythias> membership of a group is always explicit by direct membership or subgroup membership. 19:58 < jZed> so in my case, I would be Admin with full rights to the main "site"; the devs would be admins with full rights to their own sites, but not to main; we could have a staging area where all devs have rights 19:58 <+crythias> yes 19:59 <+crythias> but again I point to the UILevel... if a user's UI level isn't high enough, they won't be able to do specific things in the admin console. 19:59 < jZed> right, devs are 9guru, I'll figure what lower one I want later for users 20:01 < jZed> should I make an explicit link on the page layout package for devs that goes to the 'main site"? 20:01 <+crythias> chances are, that may already be part of the default layout's navigation. 20:01 <+crythias> default page layout 20:01 < jZed> ah, sure 20:04 < jZed> and the page layout should be "hide from nav" so the devs can get anywhere on the nav but only they can get to their sandbox 20:04 <+crythias> well.. 20:04 <+crythias> doesn't have to be hide from nav 20:05 <+crythias> why, gerald, why? 20:05 < jZed> oh right, just don't give view perms 20:05 <+crythias> bingo 20:05 < jZed> excellent 20:06 < jZed> so we can navigate to each others sandboxes but the public will never see any of it 20:06 <+crythias> well... 20:06 < jZed> if I do the groups right 20:06 <+crythias> you might consider a devviewgroup 20:06 <+crythias> containing all devuser#groups 20:07 <+crythias> or actually only devusers 20:07 <+crythias> no point in subgrouping at this level. 20:07 <@preaction-m> to be honest though, wouldn't it be best to have a dev server? development could potentially stop/crash the entire system 20:07 <@preaction-m> or are these just design devs? 20:07 <+crythias> sure. 20:08 <+crythias> design devs. app devs should have their own box. 20:08 <+crythias> 'cause they'll be stopping and restarting apache constantly. 20:08 <+crythias> unless using Apache::Refresh or something 20:08 <@preaction-m> or using Apache2::Reload 20:08 <+crythias> that 20:08 <@preaction-m> i think i'd die without it :p 20:08 < jZed> for now it's all just dev, eventually yes, two different boxes 20:09 < jZed> btw, I know I'll need to stop/restart apache and spectre all the time, but there's nothing that will impact other apaches or the shared mysql or the box as a whole is there? 20:10 < jZed> I have a separate webgui-apache instance 20:10 < jZed> this is unfortunately a prod box for other stuff 20:11 < jZed> and dev box for us 20:13 <@preaction-m> no, the only apache you'd have to restart would be wG's modperl one, and only to reload the modules, which is why Apache2::Reload works well 20:13 < jZed> great 20:13 <+crythias> he's not using wre, but the rest is valid 20:14 < jZed> but I am using mod_perl and Apache2::Request 20:14 <@preaction-m> even if not using the wre, the apache instance that is running wG/mod_perl is the one that needs to be restarted 20:14 <+crythias> 'xactly 20:15 < jZed> right, my webgui-apache is completely separate and has it's own start/stop 20:16 < jZed> and I'm sharing the mysql with the prod stuff from the other clients but that shouldn't matter since everything's within my_site_com database, right? 20:16 <+crythias> yes 20:18 <+crythias> unless you decide to stop mysql :) 20:18 <+crythias> but why would you want to do that? 20:19 < jZed> I think I'll go by the "then don't do that" advice :-) 20:19 <+crythias> I mean... it's not as if rc.webgui stops mysql every time... 20:19 <+crythias> oops. 20:19 <@preaction-m> sshh! you've said too much! 20:20 < jZed> yeah, well I don't plan on running rc.webgui :-) 20:20 <+crythias> (it's part of WRE) 20:20 < jZed> yeah I know 20:21 < jZed> and I know it stops the db 20:22 <+crythias> btw: preaction-m, it's not unreasonable to at least *try* to grep mysql /etc/passwd before trying to continue setup 20:22 < jZed> heh, I did that 20:23 <@preaction-m> if i had free range to actually work on the WRE, it would be getting better :p, that's JT's pidgin 20:23 < jZed> also make sure there isn't a prexisting mysql database named my_site_com 20:23 <+crythias> I was thinking we could rename SPECTRE to CHAD 20:23 <@preaction-m> right now he's trying to figure out if he can compile static binaries for all linux-type systems 20:23 <@preaction-m> Can't Handle Anything Decently? 20:23 <+crythias> just thinking about it hanging. 20:24 <+crythias> preaction-m: I am trying to work on a VM image on top of *gasp* smoothwall. 20:25 <+crythias> unfortunately, the worst of it is that the RHEL4 apache install is compiled on 2.3.6 glibc and the smoothwall has 2.3.2 glibc 20:26 <+crythias> but the mysql binary does work, after much library updates. 20:27 <@preaction-m> yet another distro i've never heard of but seems nice 20:27 <+crythias> not exactly a distro per se. more like a hardened linux that acts as a firewall. 20:28 <+crythias> of course, I'm stretching its intentions fairly hard by trying to install WRE RHEL on it.. 20:28 <+crythias> hmm. maybe I should be successful with RHEL3... 20:29 <+crythias> if I trust that RHEL3 is in 2.3.2, that should work nice. 20:30 <@preaction-m> to upgrade the WRE, all you have to do is untar the new over the old and run setup again, no? 20:30 * preaction-m sometimes feels unworthy of his @ 20:32 < jZed> there's no prob if I upgrade some of the supporting libraries ... e.g. get the latest YUI.js 20:32 < jZed> in extras/ or wherever it is 20:32 <@preaction-m> might break existing stuff, maybe better to put it in a different part of /extras 20:33 <@preaction-m> i suppose i should inquire about how we're planning on keeping Yui up-to-date 20:33 < jZed> k, I could do that and test 20:33 < jZed> yeah YUI is fortunately a fast moving target 21:22 < jZed> what's the easiest way to rearrange site structure e.g. if I want to move "getting started, your next step" etc. into a submenu called "WebGUI Info Pages" 21:27 <@preaction-m> use the copy/paste functions of the clipboard 21:27 <@preaction-m> on the asset manager admin console page 21:27 < jZed> cool, thanks 22:06 < jZed> hmm, well that seems to copy page layouts, not the assets on them, is there a way to move a whole page and all of its assets somewhere else? 22:07 < ckotil> cut & paste should work recursively 23:22 < perlm> ckotil yes, it should work that way everywhere. 23:23 -!- Seele^ [n=Seele@c-67-176-165-239.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 23:23 -!- Seele^ [n=Seele@c-67-176-165-239.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has left #webgui [] 23:37 <+crythias> seele u l8r 23:50 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has left #webgui [] --- Day changed Wed Nov 22 2006 00:32 <@preaction-m> perlbot phone 6142554500 00:32 < perlbot> Phonenumber.com listing for (614) 255-4500: The game manufacturers association, 280 N High St, Columbus, OH 43215 00:57 < jZed> can I make http://mysite.com/ behave the same as http://mysite.com/home? Settings Default Home Page doesn't do that 02:02 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@d-ip-129-15-97-108.oulan-south.ou.edu] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 02:15 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 02:15 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythia1] by ChanServ 02:58 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 03:23 < jZed> I have set up a site and sandboxes for my developers, I am a happy camper, thanks preaction++ and crythias++ for your help 03:39 < Radix-wrk> I used virtualpc/vmware for my sandboxes 03:40 < Radix-wrk> really easy to do with the wre I found :) 03:40 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] 03:46 <+crythia1> jZed: cool on a rope. 03:48 <+crythia1> darnish 03:48 <+crythia1> Radix_ are you responsive? 03:51 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 03:56 <+crythia1> hey 03:57 <+crythia1> um. do you know what smoothwall is, Radix? 04:08 < Radix-wrk> yah 04:09 < Radix-wrk> it's a linux based firewall appliance really - linux distro specifically designed as a firewall/router 04:09 < Radix-wrk> much like ipcop, etc 04:09 <+crythia1> I'm trying to somehow patch webgui into it. 04:09 < Radix-wrk> lol 04:09 <+crythia1> specifically, into a vmplayer. 04:10 <+crythia1> image 04:10 < Radix-wrk> Hmm.. sounds like a decent job 04:10 < Radix-wrk> I haven't played with smoothwall/ipcop for years myself 04:10 <+crythia1> hint: rhel4 is not working 'cause of glibc 04:11 <+crythia1> that is, rhel4 wre 04:11 < Radix-wrk> yeah.. smoothwall is pretty ancient kernel/system wise I'll bet 04:12 <+crythia1> just ancient enough to be stable. 04:13 < Radix-wrk> what kernel is it using? 04:14 <+crythia1> 2.3 04:14 <+crythia1> 2.4 04:14 < Radix-wrk> and using libc6 or something I expect 04:15 <+crythia1> 2.3.2 04:15 <+crythia1> but rhel has 2.3.6 04:16 <+crythia1> I am trying the rhel3 wre now. 04:17 <+crythia1> the big thing was that there were some libc++ things 04:17 <+crythia1> mysql ran ok after I added appropriate dependencies. 04:17 < Radix-wrk> Well good luck with it. I've not ever really delved into that kind of thing before. 04:18 < Radix-wrk> I'm playing with OS's of a different kind here.. just installed the final Windows Vista on my desktop and giving it a go for day to day work. (and testing our software/installers at the same time) 04:18 <+crythia1> it's kinda weird... i'm feeding the libs piecemeal 04:19 < Radix-wrk> So.. the big question.. why? 04:20 <+crythia1> :) 04:21 < Radix-wrk> On that note.. I do think webgui needs a vmware appliance for it. That would rock. 04:22 < Radix-wrk> vmware server + webgui appliance = damn fast install for nothing 04:23 <+crythia1> hm... firewall+proxy+content filter+email filter+webgui+full firewall control 04:23 <+crythia1> for nothing? 04:23 < Radix-wrk> vmware server = free, webgui = free 04:24 <+crythia1> oh. I thought you meant for no reason ... for some reason 04:25 < Radix-wrk> must be aussie slang "for nothing" = "for no cost" 04:25 < Radix-wrk> :) 04:25 <+crythia1> no, I could understand if I actually paid attention. 06:42 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:22 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 07:22 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythia1] by ChanServ 07:22 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:56 -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:56 -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui 10:44 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] 16:10 < ckotil> ugh. it took 30 minutes for a commit version to be processed. and it was only 1 stinking (45k) html file that was uploaded 16:14 -!- ckotil [n=newtrino@snare.grnoc.iu.edu] has quit ["brb. rebooting"] 16:25 -!- ckotil [n=newtrino@snare.grnoc.iu.edu] has joined #webgui 17:09 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has joined #webgui 17:09 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 17:38 < ckotil> my sites get pounded by people asking for smileys_pack.php . i know it must be an exploit. anyone seeing this? 17:38 < ckotil> [Wed Nov 22 15:37:59 2006] [error] [client 66.103.152.111] File does not exist: /gnoc/globalnoc/htdocs/WebGUI/www/extras/smileys_packs.php 17:38 < ckotil> [Wed Nov 22 15:38:11 2006] [error] [client 140.114.71.129] File does not exist: /gnoc/globalnoc/htdocs/WebGUI/www/extras/smileys_packs.php 17:38 < ckotil> and it goes on like that for miles 18:21 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #webgui 19:11 < jZed> hey perlm, congratulate me, I have a dev site up and running 19:12 < perlm> that is awesome! 19:12 < perlm> Got WRE working? 19:13 < jZed> I almost had it working but crythias told me I shouldn't use it on a box with other apaches and mysqls so I went for the source install 19:13 < jZed> I have a dedicated apache/mod_perl for wG but it shares the mysql with other apps 19:15 <+crythias> ckotil: um. did you simply try googling smileys_packs.php? 19:15 <+crythias> the very first thing is "PHP remote file inclusion vulnerability in images/smileys..." 19:15 < ckotil> ya. i got some good info on it 19:15 < ckotil> nothing too useful 19:16 < ckotil> just dont run phpmyteam , or whatever it is 19:16 <+crythias> I believe you could use mod_rewrite or somesuch to block requests from those requesting that file. 19:16 < ckotil> ah, interesting. now that is useful. thanks 19:16 < jZed> do you know how hitting / gives a wG page with a login but hitting /home gives a plain login over your own home page? Anyway to make / behave the same as /home? mod_rewrite? 19:17 < perlm> cacheing 19:17 < perlm> caching 19:17 < perlm> hit reload on the page 19:17 < ckotil> or try going to /home?func=manageAssets 19:17 < ckotil> see what that brings up 19:18 < ckotil> sounds like access to the asset is being prevented 19:18 <+crythias> mod_security ? 19:18 < perlm> I just tried / and /home on my server and got the exact same page....but if I login into /home I would have to manually reload / so it would acknolwedge my login. 19:18 < jZed> yeah, reload works, but what about new users? when I tell my CEO to go look at the site, I want them to see the site as the first thing, not an ad for wG 19:18 <+crythias> change the start page in ui 19:18 <+crythias> settings 19:19 <+crythias> sorry 19:19 < perlm> turn off caching 19:19 < jZed> been there, done that, start page and error page are both set to Home 19:19 < jZed> in settings 19:19 < perlm> unless you are getting multiple hits per second, it is just burning cpu time. 19:19 <+crythias> oh, yeah, and I know this happens with IE 19:19 < jZed> this is FF 19:20 <+crythias> I've noticed credential cacheing problems with WebGUI... 19:20 <+crythias> ckotil: http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/apache/2003/11/26/mod_security.html 19:20 <+crythias> usually, though, a f5 will recognize. 19:21 < perlm> force SSL :) 19:27 < ckotil> thx 19:28 <+crythias> should be noted that there apparently is a mod_security2 for apache2... 19:39 <@preaction-m> did you commit your changes? 19:49 < jZed> .oO(if my .conf tells wG not to handle .mas files, and my apache knows .mas files should be handled by Mason, and I use template incldue to include a .mas file in a wG page ... ) 19:50 <+crythias> perlhandler WebGUI mucks a lot up. use passthruUrl config option. 19:52 < jZed> I figure I'd have a perlhandler WebGUI and a perlhandler Mason and passthruUrl .mas for wG, and then template include the .mas in a wG template 19:52 <@preaction-m> i don't believe you can just passthru certain files, you need an entire directory 19:53 <+crythias> there's also a possibility to SetHandler ... something in your vh 19:53 < jZed> yeah, I could do it with /mason/* instead of *.mas 20:02 < jZed> if I edit a built-in template e.g DropMenu on a subpage, that only alters it for the subpage, not for the whole site, right? 20:02 <@preaction-m> don't edit built-in templates 20:02 <@preaction-m> make new ones 20:02 < jZed> makes sense 20:03 <@preaction-m> built-in templates can be overwritten by upgrades (when we find bugs in them) 20:03 <@preaction-m> even if it's just copying the built-in one and changing a single character, it's far safer 20:03 < jZed> so my changes would still have the bugs :-) 20:03 <+crythias> if you edit a template it affects every instance that uses the template. 20:03 <@preaction-m> but it's markup, you can do markup no? 20:04 <@preaction-m> from experience though: keep wG updated. set aside a day or two each month to do upgrades. 20:04 < jZed> markup, is that like when you elevate one of the gospel writers? 20:04 <@preaction-m> HTML, the M is for Markup :p 20:04 <+crythias> yeah.. next is lukeup and then, if you're really good, johnup 20:05 <@preaction-m> nobody ever talks about judasup... 20:05 <+crythias> I thought I saw him hanging around somewhere... 20:09 < jZed> groups are really cool, creating a group X for user X to restrict editing to that user, etc. ... I wonder how I'd go about making a group for "the friends of X" 20:09 <+crythias> they are members of x 20:09 <+crythias> group x 20:10 < jZed> well I'd want X for just the user and XF for friends of user so e.g. X could edit and XF could view, and everyone else can't view 20:10 <+crythias> or they are members of friends of x, but what's the point? friends of x are viewers or editors. if they're editors, they're part of group X 20:10 <+crythias> yeah. 20:11 <+crythias> so.. two groups pp, then. 20:11 < jZed> and figure someway to automate it so when X invties Y to be a friend, that auto adds Y to XF 20:12 <+crythias> give 'em the link... 20:12 <+crythias> groupadd macro 20:12 < jZed> and user-creation auto creates both X and XF 20:12 <+crythias> but shh.. don't share 20:12 < jZed> groupaddmacro, that's the ticket 20:13 < jZed> so the only thing I need to do is make X and XF and a groupadd link part of the package which gets deployed for all new users 20:17 < jZed> I don't need to explicitly add the Admin nick to groups, do I? 20:17 < jZed> even if I remove Admins from groups in this group 20:50 < jZed> I created group jzucker-friends with "users can add/remove selves" checked, I put a macro in an article: GroupAdd('jzucker-friends','please be my friend'); ... logged in as user not in that group, but there was no button :-( 20:51 < jZed> if you guys mind me talking to myself like this, please let me know :-) 21:02 < jZed> and help macros list of available shows GroupAdd() as available 21:24 <+crythias> um. 21:25 <+crythias> jZed: admin is default a member of every group. groups don't inherit the rights of their members. 21:25 <+crythias> you shouldn't remove admin from a group. 21:25 <+crythias> and macros need to be called as: ^Macro(param); 21:28 < jZed> didn't remove admin from group, removed Admins from Groups in this Group, and ^GroupAdd('join','click to join'); is valid syntax, no? 21:36 <+crythias> seems like. I gtg do something... 21:36 < jZed> k, thanks, bye 21:58 < jZed> is there a way to define who can insert a macro in a page? 21:59 <@preaction-m> not that i'm aware of 21:59 < jZed> so all macros are available to everyone? 21:59 <@preaction-m> certain assets are sanitized 21:59 <@preaction-m> you'd probably have to add sanitation to other assets 22:00 < jZed> so something like Execute() is off by default for a reason :-) 22:01 < jZed> and SQL() 22:14 < ckotil> probably. its pretty easy to create a macro to do basically the same thing 22:14 < ckotil> wobject is a bit tougher 23:39 -!- ckotil [n=newtrino@snare.grnoc.iu.edu] has quit ["leaving"] --- Day changed Thu Nov 23 2006 01:51 < jZed> is a macro an asset? i.e. could I put it in assetAddPrivilege in .conf? if it doesn't work that way, it should, if a macro is listed in there, only people of the specified UI level can use the macro though everyone who can view the page can view the results 01:59 <@preaction> a macro is just a piece of text, how can you stop a person from entering certain text? 02:01 < jZed> you don't, you stop the app from interpreting the text unless the person who entered the text is of a certain UI level so they enter ^SQL(...); but all that happens is it prints ^SQL(...); 02:01 <@preaction> so you're supposed to keep track of who entered the macro into the article? 02:02 <@preaction> the macro isn't interpreted THEN stored, it's stored THEN interpreted 02:02 < jZed> you must already know the name of the person submitting the new or changed article 02:02 < jZed> so don't store it 02:02 < jZed> if the person is the right UI 02:02 <@preaction> but macros have dynamic data, they need to be stored 02:03 < jZed> if the person is correct UI, store it, don't if not 02:03 <@preaction> so if a person wants to change an article, but they can't use a certain macro, they just broke the macro 02:03 < jZed> ? 02:04 <@preaction> look at the database for your article, you'll see that the macro is in there as "^Macro();" 02:04 <@preaction> every time the template is processed, the macros are processed 02:04 <@preaction> this must be done because of dynamic data, such as session IDs, user IDs, etc... 02:04 < jZed> sure 02:05 <@preaction> so now if we decide to only allow certain people to submit assets with certain macros 02:05 <@preaction> anyone who is allowed to edit an asset with a macro they are not allowed to submit will break things 02:05 <@preaction> a person who IS allowed to submit that macro will have to go back and fix it 02:05 <@preaction> every time 02:05 < jZed> nope 02:06 < jZed> ok, nevermind, it's just an idea 02:08 <@preaction> you'll instead want to create a Wobject that will do what you want, checking permissions and the like 02:08 < jZed> yep 02:09 <@preaction> imho, the Macro system has reached the limit of its potential, and indeed has one major flaw that cannot be fixed (it's given a session object, not the asset object of the asset it's in) 02:10 < jZed> yep, needs both 02:10 <@preaction> just the asset, asset contains the session 02:10 < jZed> oh, then swell 02:10 <@preaction> the proliferation of the session object is near universal 02:11 < jZed> is there a feature like wikis have where you can mark a section for special parsing e.g. #pod# ... #/pod# would get run through pod2HTML 02:11 <@preaction> that would be a macro 02:12 < jZed> yeah, more or less, just easier to do because you don't need to put the content inside quotes 02:13 < jZed> is there anyway to hide the admin console completely from a user but still allow them to edit their own page? 02:13 < jZed> assuming save&commit is turned on 02:14 <@preaction> you could remove the ^AdminBar(); macros, but clicking Edit on an asset will still allow the console to be seen 02:15 <@preaction> in the future, the ^AdminBar(); may become the only Admin Console, and then that would work 02:17 < jZed> how about an auto-commit so when the user saves and commits it does the next step of saving the version tag automatically? 02:17 < jZed> # not that I think version tags are going to confuse users :-) 02:18 <@preaction> that would have to be built into the asset 02:18 <@preaction> like Post and Thread (and soon Event) assets have 02:18 < jZed> i c, that makes sense 02:19 <@preaction> You're building a myspace-like app, no? 02:20 < jZed> yep 02:21 <@preaction> I think your best bet might be to just make a Wobject for the user's administration, and this Wobject will do all the adding/editing of assets for the user. You can even use the Asset->getEditForm() to display the edit form outside of the admin console if desired 02:22 <@preaction> then you can use existing wG assets, and the major development will be only the administration part 02:22 <@preaction> each user would have their own instance of the administration that only they can use 02:23 <@preaction> you're going to have to neuter a lot of stuff though, because you won't want normal users doing certain things 02:23 < jZed> hmm, yes that would work eventually, at first I think I just want to give everyone a profile, a blog, a photo gallery, a video gallery, and not let them add anything else 02:24 < jZed> so they don't need any New Content, I can shut that off in .conf 02:24 <@preaction> but they need to edit content 02:24 < jZed> yep 02:24 <@preaction> and for that, they'll see things they should not be allowed to see 02:24 <@preaction> (such as the Admin console) 02:25 < jZed> but at UI all they see is assets and version tags and some harmless things 02:25 < jZed> UI 0 02:25 <@preaction> so those things do work 02:25 < jZed> I'd like for none of them to be there 02:25 <@preaction> never tried them 02:25 < jZed> oh wait 02:25 < jZed> if they have the assets button on the admin console 02:26 < jZed> maybe they can add assets from there, let me check 02:26 <@preaction> most likely 02:26 <@preaction> but there's no need to neuter that, give users POWER so they have a reason to switch from myspace 02:27 < jZed> that's a good point 02:28 <@preaction> to be honest i forgot that uiLevels existed, they'd work well and for what they couldn't cover (certain admin functions that must only apply to their section) make the administration Wobject 02:28 <@preaction> if you create a skeleton for them, hell, create a few different skeletons for them, they'll have something basic to grow off of 02:28 < jZed> yep 02:31 <@preaction> but when the user clicks "Edit", they still get the right side thing that says "Show Admin Console" no? 02:31 <@preaction> and that's what we're trying to get rid of? 02:31 < jZed> yep 02:32 <@preaction> you can make a wobject to handle that using the getEditForm() thing (i hope). make an instance of it, pass in the URL of the asset they're editing as a parameter 02:33 <@preaction> getEditForm should return a WebGUI::Tabform 02:33 <@preaction> the www_edit() method puts the Admin Console stuff around it iirc 02:35 <@preaction> yeah... that's probably going to have to be how it's done 02:35 < jZed> ok thanks, I'll have to play with Wobject a bit to understand what you said, but that gives me a direction 02:37 <@preaction> Assets can be assigned uilevels no? 02:37 < jZed> yes 02:37 <@preaction> so like, users can only see what assets their uilevel allows 02:37 <@preaction> okay 02:39 < jZed> cool 02:39 < jZed> if I set the UI for all assets to 9, they see assets in the admin bar but when they click it, they get permission denied 03:13 < jZed> well, I'm off, thanks for all your help, I'm feeling good about wG, was begining to doubt for a while, but it's slick 03:19 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 03:19 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit [Client Quit] 03:20 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 04:00 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 04:00 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythia1] by ChanServ 04:01 < Radix-wrk> mornin' 04:01 <+crythia1> top of the bottom of the world to ya 04:02 <+crythia1> Oh, yeah.. you're not jZed :) 04:54 < jZed> I heard that :-) # sorry :-( 05:00 <+crythia1> hee 05:01 < jZed> I'll be givin back soon, so I don't mind taking a bunch now 05:01 < jZed> but also feel free to tell me to shutup whenever it's appropriate :-) 05:08 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has left #webgui [] 05:09 <+crythia1> :) 05:10 <+crythia1> Can I just say that Fosters is a lousy beer? 05:11 <+crythia1> Just sayin'... 05:11 <+crythia1> Australian for smells like eggs. 05:16 <+crythia1> newest pet peeve: movie video ads that look like regular videos with no indication that they're not vids... stupid everything has triangles in the middle of circles. 06:04 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 06:17 -!- jZed [n=jeff@dsl093-039-031.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has left #webgui [] 06:19 < Radix-wrk> crythia1, Of course Fosters is a lousy beer - why do you think we export it! 06:20 < Radix-wrk> We keep the good beers to ourselves :) 09:00 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:40 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 09:40 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythia1] by ChanServ 10:02 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:03 -!- Radix-wrk changed the topic of #webgui to: WebGUI (stable: 7.2.2) WRE (0.7.2) || Need help? Ask and wait patiently (it might take awhile) 11:17 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] 16:04 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 16:04 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 16:05 -!- Radix [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui 16:07 <+crythias> Kangaroo steaks 16:23 -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:34 <+crythias> wow... 16:34 < Radix> kangaroo steaks are very nice actually 16:34 < Radix> more tender than beef, very juicy too 16:35 <+crythias> and since they're apparently as populous as rodents, this isn't a horrible thing... :) 16:35 < Radix> aye :) 16:37 -!- Radix [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:38 -!- Radix [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui 16:38 <+crythias> hmm 16:38 <+crythias> apparently there's an error in something.. 16:39 <+crythias> EventManagemetnSystem 17:42 -!- preaction-m [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:47 -!- preaction-m [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui 17:47 -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction-m] by ChanServ 17:54 <+crythias> preaction, preaction-m EventManagementBug on upgrade... do you know about it? 17:56 <+crythias> I'm beginning to appreciate Ruby on Rails a lot more... 19:26 -!- jZed [n=jeff@dsl093-039-031.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #webgui 19:27 < jZed> ok, this has me really freaked out, I changed UI on settings from Admin Console to Help and now I only get a blank page when I go into settings so I can't set it back ... can I run some SQL to change that setting back? 19:54 -!- Radix [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 19:55 -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui 19:56 < jZed> Radix, my settings page disappeared (after I selected Help as Admin Console UI), can I turn it back on with SQL or .conf somehow? 20:00 < jZed> also all the editing pages are blank (can't edit anything at all) 20:02 < jZed> the entire site fubared with one click and no indication of how to get it back 20:13 < jZed> alright, "select * from settings where name = 'AdminConsoleTemplate' shows PBtmplHelp000000000001 20:13 < jZed> so I wonder what the value is for the normal admin console 20:25 < jZed> setting it to NULL doesn't help 20:30 < jZed> phew, grepped docs/create.sql and found PBtmpl0000000000000001 20:30 < jZed> did a mysql update on that row and I have my settings back 21:09 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] --- Day changed Fri Nov 24 2006 03:27 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 03:42 -!- jZed [n=jeff@dsl093-039-031.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has left #webgui [] 04:44 -!- Radix-work [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 04:44 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] 05:18 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 05:18 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 07:43 -!- Radix-work [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] 08:04 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 09:36 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 10:26 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 10:26 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 10:45 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] 10:48 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:20 -!- cap10morgan [n=wesm@71-208-238-75.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #webgui 21:21 < cap10morgan> what's the recommended way to access a different database (i.e. not the webgui one) from a wobject? 21:21 < cap10morgan> the guy who wrote this code is just doing "use DBI;" and connecting to it (it's the same server, just a different schema) 21:21 < cap10morgan> but that seems... wrong, somehow 21:44 < cap10morgan> ah, i should be using a database link 21:44 < cap10morgan> :) 21:56 -!- cap10morgan [n=wesm@71-208-238-75.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] --- Day changed Sat Nov 25 2006 01:55 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 01:55 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 07:43 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:23 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 08:23 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 08:45 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:35 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 14:35 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 16:14 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:54 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 16:54 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 17:16 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] --- Day changed Sun Nov 26 2006 01:44 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 01:44 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 05:54 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #webgui [] 08:09 -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: @preaction-m, Radix_ 08:09 -!- Netsplit over, joins: preaction-m 08:09 -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction-m] by ChanServ 08:09 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Radix_ 08:10 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 08:10 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 08:10 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #webgui [] --- Log closed Sun Nov 26 08:17:55 2006 --- Log opened Sun Nov 26 08:48:00 2006 08:48 -!- xdanger [i=xdanger@i.should.be.in.a.mentalhouse.net] has joined #webgui 08:48 -!- Irssi: #webgui: Total of 4 nicks [2 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 2 normal] 08:48 -!- Irssi: Join to #webgui was synced in 1 secs 09:17 -!- perlbot [n=perlbot@lv.pm.org] has joined #webgui 09:33 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 09:34 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 09:45 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 10:18 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 10:18 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 10:18 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #webgui [] 11:55 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 11:55 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 12:16 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:25 -!- Radix [n=Radix@203.161.71.161] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 17:25 -!- Radix__ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui 19:09 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #webgui 19:13 < perlm> Are production machines supposed to be keeping pace with all these stable releases? 20:32 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] --- Day changed Mon Nov 27 2006 02:44 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 10:52 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] 19:17 -!- ckotil [n=newtrino@snare.grnoc.iu.edu] has joined #webgui 23:35 < ckotil> what group must a user be in to turn be able to view the asset manager? 23:36 < ckotil> All i can figure is that they have to be an Admin --- Day changed Tue Nov 28 2006 00:21 -!- JIggie [n=none@63-239-138-22.dia.static.qwest.net] has joined #webgui 00:25 < JIggie> yoooo 00:25 < JIggie> peoples 00:25 -!- JIggie is now known as Jiggie 00:25 < Jiggie> xdanger 00:25 < Jiggie> u must klnow this 00:26 < xdanger> do tell 00:33 < Jiggie> ok 00:33 < Jiggie> i upgraded a 6.2.11 site to the latest 00:33 < Jiggie> now i have a small issue 00:34 < Jiggie> the old site=running redhat= hostname company 00:34 < Jiggie> new site=redhat es4=hostname company1 00:34 < Jiggie> when i go to copmpany1 the main page shows fine 00:34 < Jiggie> but everylink points to company 00:34 < Jiggie> instaead of company1 00:34 < Jiggie> how can i change then sitewide 00:36 < Jiggie> xdanger, did u get that 00:37 < xdanger> Jiggie: that is in the configs, sitename or something... 00:37 < xdanger> or you could trigger the setting in you admin console setting to use the env-setting 00:40 < Jiggie> how 00:41 < Jiggie> i dont see it on the admins console 00:44 < Jiggie> which file do i have to look 00:46 < xdanger> admin console -> settings -> Miscellaneous -> Host To Use 00:46 < xdanger> your siteconfig file 00:48 < Jiggie> instead of Env http host 00:49 < Jiggie> then what do i do with that 00:49 < xdanger> env http host should work 00:49 < xdanger> you did have that in there? 00:49 < Jiggie> they dont work 00:49 < Jiggie> which file should i look for 00:50 < xdanger> that reads the sitename from your apache config 00:50 < xdanger> are the links hardcoded in your data? 00:50 < Jiggie> let me check 00:52 < Jiggie> the file still has the old copmany instead of company1.com unser webgui/etc 01:18 < Jiggie> now i have this issue 01:18 < Jiggie> Can't call method "prepare" on an undefined value at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/SQL.pm line 446. 01:21 < Jiggie> anyone 01:38 -!- jZed [n=jeff@dsl093-039-031.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #webgui 02:59 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 02:59 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 03:04 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 07:52 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #webgui [] 08:05 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 08:05 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 08:13 -!- jZed [n=jeff@dsl093-039-031.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has left #webgui [] 08:19 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 08:34 -!- Radix-work [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 08:37 -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: @preaction 08:37 -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui 08:39 -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit [Killed by sagan.freenode.net (Nick collision)] 08:39 -!- Netsplit over, joins: @preaction 08:41 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:53 -!- Radix__ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:53 -!- Radix__ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui 09:07 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 09:07 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 09:19 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 10:14 -!- Radix-work [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] 14:58 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 14:58 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 15:46 < ckotil> what group must a user be in to turn be able to view the asset manager? 16:19 <+crythias> it may be a UI level issue. 16:26 < ckotil> ah. ill check that 16:26 < ckotil> i had to add the user to admin, which i didnt want to do 16:27 < ckotil> nah he still needs to be Admins 16:29 < Jiggie> i just tried that also 16:29 < Jiggie> and admin seems to work 16:29 < Jiggie> i guess i must trust the user 16:29 < Jiggie> lol 16:30 < Jiggie> crythias, when u get back im 16:31 <+crythias> jiggie ok 16:53 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:00 -!- Radix__ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit ["Windows doesn't have users, it has hostages."] 17:08 -!- Radix__ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui 17:33 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 17:33 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 17:53 -!- jZed [n=jeff@dsl093-039-031.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #webgui 17:55 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:21 < Jiggie> yoo 20:21 < Jiggie> anyone around 20:21 < Jiggie> that can hlp me 20:22 * jZed is around, dunno if /me can help 20:22 < Jiggie> how can i fix this 20:22 < Jiggie> Can't call method "prepare" on an undefined value at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/SQL.pm line 446. 20:23 < jZed> you don't have a database connection 20:23 < Jiggie> but mysql starts fine 20:23 < jZed> or are trying to prepare something other than an sth 20:23 < jZed> what caused it? 20:23 < Jiggie> well webgui says mysql started fine 20:23 < Jiggie> the hard got full 20:24 < Jiggie> no more space 20:24 < Jiggie> and it stoppped working 20:24 < jZed> clean up space, shutdown apache and spectre, restart them? 20:24 < Jiggie> i did 20:24 < Jiggie> still 20:25 < jZed> so when does the error occur? 20:25 < jZed> you enabled the SQL macro? 20:26 < Jiggie> nope 20:26 < Jiggie> it just happens when trying to go to the page 20:26 < Jiggie> the page does not come up 20:26 < Jiggie> we had this issue a while back when the power went out 20:26 < Jiggie> but did so many things cant remember how to fix it 20:27 < jZed> can you run mysql from the command line? 20:28 < jZed> oh, and did you look at /var/log/webgui.log? 20:28 < Jiggie> i tried but it says cound not find mysqld PID 20:28 < jZed> what OS? 20:28 < jZed> try ps aux | grep mysql 20:28 < jZed> or whatever its equivalent is on your OS 20:30 < Jiggie> redhat 20:30 < Jiggie> es 4 20:31 < jZed> did mysqld show up with ps? 20:31 < Jiggie> nope 20:31 < Jiggie> only after i start it manually again 20:32 < jZed> once you restart it, does that fix the wG problem? 20:32 < Jiggie> nope 20:32 < Jiggie> i wish 20:32 < jZed> what's in /var/log/webgui.log? 20:36 < Jiggie> nothing much 20:36 < Jiggie> just the last person that logged in and added a file 20:36 < Jiggie> then it died 20:37 < jZed> hmm, and you restarted everything after you got mysqld started manually? 20:39 < Jiggie> let ,e check 20:42 < Jiggie> i'm going to re-check everything 20:42 < jZed> k, I'll be around 20:52 <@preaction-m> jiggie: are you running the wre? 20:54 < Jiggie> yeah 20:54 < Jiggie> it says mysql pID could not be found 20:54 < Jiggie> i start webgui and it says everything si fine 20:55 < Jiggie> but then i do a ps -ef |grep http, lots of stuff come on 20:55 < Jiggie> but if i do ps -ef |grep mysql or mysqld nothign happens 20:55 < jZed> mysqld errors don't show up in rc.webgui 20:55 < Jiggie> then i start it manually and i can find it but it says mysql PID could not be found 20:58 <@preaction-m> you have to use "it" less and be more specific 20:58 <@preaction-m> try "which mysql" 20:58 <@preaction-m> and you want ps au | grep "mysqld" 20:59 <@preaction-m> mysql is running as the user "mysql" 20:59 < Jiggie> ok will try that 20:59 < Jiggie> give me a sec 20:59 < Jiggie> her eis the first thing we got 20:59 < Jiggie> https://www.plainblack.com/etcetera/power-failure/3 21:01 <@preaction-m> so you're saying that it hasn't worked for 5 months? 21:04 < jZed> say, preaction, is there an ER or UML diagram of the webgui database anywhere to be found? 21:05 <@preaction-m> jZed: not that I'm aware of 21:05 < jZed> ok, I'll try to make one from the SQL 21:06 < Jiggie> it worked 21:06 < Jiggie> but dont remember how i fixed it 21:11 < Jiggie> ok i'm on the box remotelly 21:11 < Jiggie> so i should look into the webguil.log 21:11 < Jiggie> look for what 21:11 < jZed> with WRE there are other logs I think 21:12 < Jiggie> i try to connect to mysql and it give me thie 21:12 < Jiggie> error 2002 21:13 < Jiggie> ..ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/tmp/mysql.sock' (111) 21:13 < Jiggie> [webgui@JETS webgui]$ 21:16 <@preaction-m> and what does "which mysql" say? 21:17 <@preaction-m> perlbot enter 21:17 < perlbot> Do not use the Enter key as punctuation. Think in complete thoughts, then type. 21:17 < Jiggie> what do i type 21:18 <@preaction-m> "which mysql" 21:18 < Jiggie> 4 21:18 <@preaction-m> without quotes... 21:18 < Jiggie> ok 21:18 < Jiggie> .../data/wre/prereqs/mysql/bin/mysql 21:19 < Jiggie> her eis what i get..../rc.webgui restart 21:19 < Jiggie> mod_proxy Stopped 21:19 < Jiggie> mod_perl Stopped 21:19 < Jiggie> Stopping MySQL 21:19 < Jiggie> MySQL PID file could not be found! [FAILED] 21:19 < Jiggie> MySQL Stopped 21:19 < Jiggie> MySQL Started 21:19 < Jiggie> mod_perl Started 21:19 < Jiggie> mod_proxy Started 21:19 <@preaction-m> and `ps aux | grep "mysqld"` shows /data/wre/prereqs/mysql/sbin/mysqld runnig 21:19 <@preaction-m> DO NOT PASTE LIKE THAT 21:19 < Jiggie> ok 21:19 <@preaction-m> perlbot paste 21:19 < perlbot> Paste your code to http://sial.org/pbot/perl or http://erxz.com/pb and #perl will be able to view it. 21:20 <@preaction-m> there's probably information in the mysql logs about failing to start 21:21 < Jiggie> nothing come up 21:21 < Jiggie> where do i go to get that info 21:21 <@preaction-m> what version of the WRE? 21:22 < Jiggie> well it was a hacked job by JT 21:22 < Jiggie> wre 6.2.11 21:22 <@preaction-m> that's your webgui version, not your wre version 21:22 <@preaction-m> but we'll just say it's old 21:23 <@preaction-m> the error log should be in /data/wre/prereqs/mysql/var/`uname -n`.err 21:26 < Jiggie> ok 21:26 < Jiggie> log copied 21:26 < Jiggie> to that site u told me 21:26 < Jiggie> some access rights 21:27 < Jiggie> preaction-m : are u able to see it 21:27 <@preaction-m> ONE: Do NOT press enter every three words 21:27 <@preaction-m> TWO: When using a paste site like that, you should really read the directions 21:27 <@preaction-m> THREE: I need the URL 21:28 < Jiggie> ok tot he first one, second her eis the link http://sial.org/pbot/21449 21:29 <@preaction-m> two means: when you clicked "Submit" you notified #perl about the paste, and they had no need to be notified 21:29 <@preaction-m> the error at the bottom is simple: /data/wre/prereqs/mysql is not owned by the mysql user 21:29 <@preaction-m> and/or the owner does not have rwx rights to the folder and all subfolders 21:32 < Jiggie> what right should it have, 755 what are the proper rights to the mysql user 21:33 <@preaction-m> if you do an ls -l /data/wre/prereqs, the mysql directory should be owned by "mysql" 21:34 < Jiggie> its owned by the webgui user.. 21:36 < jZed> woot! my lib/WebGUI/Asset/Template/MasonTemplate works! 21:41 < Jiggie> so, then what... 21:41 <@preaction-m> you haven't listened. it should be owned by the mysql user 21:41 < jZed> the webgui mysql user or the apache user? 21:49 < Jiggie> ok gave mysql ownership of that. so, now i should restart the webgui proccess 21:52 <@preaction-m> you should start mysql 21:54 < Jiggie> still get the MySQL PID file could not be found! [FAILED]. 21:55 <@preaction-m> did you "start" or "restart" 21:57 < Jiggie> i did ./rc.webgui startmysql 21:59 <@preaction-m> is it running though? 22:01 < Jiggie> nope 22:01 <@preaction-m> and the error logs say? 22:02 < Jiggie> ok i did it again and mysql has started and i do a ps -ef |grep mysql and it shows now what 22:03 < Jiggie> the log files still has the same error on it. but i changed the file permisions to mysql instead of webgui 22:04 < jZed> look in the yoursite_com.conf file and see what the real mysql user is 22:05 < Jiggie> btw mysql started then i di the ps -ef and it shouwed there, but now i do it and its no longer there.... 22:05 <@preaction-m> jZed: why? that's the database user, not the system user 22:05 <@preaction-m> Jiggie, you did a chown recursively? 22:06 < Jiggie> no 22:06 < Jiggie> should i do that, chown -r mysql :mysql mysql/ like so? 22:06 < jZed> sorry, I misunderstood 22:07 <@preaction-m> without the space between mysql and :mysql 22:07 <@preaction-m> tias 22:07 < Jiggie> so i should do it without the space 22:07 <@preaction-m> you don't even need the group in there 22:08 < Jiggie> type how i need to do it,so i cna copy and paste,. 22:12 < Jiggie> yes/no 22:13 <@preaction-m> no, i'm not here to do it for you 22:13 <@preaction-m> man chown 22:16 < Jiggie> ok, not here to do it for me, i know. I asked if the way i typed it above and us aid without the space, so i'm asking to do it. 22:16 < Jiggie> ok did it, it seems to work now but its giving me another error. 22:19 < Jiggie> big long error, can i go tto that page and paste it so u can see it. 22:19 < jZed> you should man chown ... you want R not r 22:19 < Jiggie> its big R yes, i did that 22:19 <@preaction-m> Jiggie: go for it, just make sure that the "notify channel" or whatever is not set to #perl 22:20 <@preaction-m> or there are other pastebins on the internets 22:20 < Jiggie> yes 22:22 < Jiggie> http://sial.org/pbot/21451 22:22 < Jiggie> there 22:25 <@preaction-m> so does that file exist? is it writable by the apache user? 22:26 < jZed> preaction, ignore this if you don't have time ... is there any security hazard in making Maon available as a Template ... if only Admins can edit templates, no one else can use Mason to run random Perl, right? 22:26 <@preaction-m> if you make sure that only admins can edit templates, i don't see a major flaw 22:26 < Jiggie> it exist. let me check who own it. it is owned by the webgui user. 22:27 <@preaction-m> is apache running as that same user? 22:27 < Jiggie> how can i tell 22:28 <@preaction-m> ps aux | grep "apache" 22:29 < jZed> the user will be the first word in each httpd line e.g. nobody 22:29 <@preaction-m> otherwise look at your httpd.conf, the username should be in there somewhere 22:30 < Jiggie> nobody and root - nobody 4321 0.0 0.2 6280 2920 ? S 15:40 0:00 /data/wre/prereqs/apache/bin/httpd 22:31 <@preaction-m> so that log file needs to be owned by nobody, or at least writable by nobody 22:34 < Jiggie> ok, done did a chwn nobody on that file. 22:35 < Jiggie> it works, wohooooooo 22:35 < Jiggie> now, the most important question, how can that happen, we didnt touch anything on it. 22:35 <@preaction-m> somebody did 22:36 < Jiggie> how can i check that, cause i'm about to kill him/her 22:36 < jZed> look at the owner of the file before you changed it :-) 22:45 < Jiggie> nobody knew the password until today.. 22:45 < Jiggie> the last time this happened the power went out and when it came back up crapgui did this error 22:45 <@preaction-m> sounds like your OS likes to reset file ownerships and permissions 22:46 < Jiggie> its an old redhat 22:46 < Jiggie> this mess was given to me when i started here 22:46 < Jiggie> i never used webgui b4 22:47 <@preaction-m> you're also a major version obsolete 22:47 < Jiggie> it has like 3 or 4 data folders and the config file is a convination.. I just finished performing and upgrade to 7.2 running rhes4 and we are missing a few files that seem tat did not get copied over.. 22:47 <@preaction-m> i would consider it a 22:48 <@preaction-m> Good Idea to just make a vanilla install of 7.2.* and do the slow manual way 22:48 <@preaction-m> did you do the upgrade steps? 6.2-6.8 6.8-7.1.3 7.1.3-7.2.* 22:49 < Jiggie> 7.2 is up and running, but some files are missing, so im looking for them now.. this box is the old version 6.2.11, that i'm trying to recover 22:49 < Jiggie> yeah 22:49 < Jiggie> the uplaod folder i had to copy over 22:49 <@preaction-m> before or after the upgrade? 22:49 < Jiggie> but because of the batched webgui_whoster+two different data folders not so easy 22:49 < Jiggie> missed a few things here and there 22:50 < Jiggie> b4 used to be like that. now the new version is running smotth, just the missing files 22:50 <@preaction-m> the upgrade changed how the uploads folder works, so it had to be done before 22:50 < Jiggie> so u are telling me that it might have been the upgrades that chaned the place of the files 22:51 <@preaction-m> the drive folder, perhaps, but not the asset url 22:53 < Jiggie> i did 6.2.11 to 6.65>6.810>7.1 22:53 < Jiggie> is that ok 22:53 <@preaction-m> if everything's working fine, yes 22:53 < Jiggie> files thats it....now i'm going manually and setting them up again 22:53 <@preaction-m> you might have to export the files from the old wG and import them into the new one 22:54 < Jiggie> export files? how does that work, never seen that 22:54 < Jiggie> i can dump the database thats it... 22:54 <@preaction-m> right-click: save file as... 22:55 <@preaction-m> the files aren't in the database, they're in the uploads/ folder 22:57 < Jiggie> so 1by1, i was wondering of a whole thing at once. that woul be nice 22:57 <@preaction-m> you could combine all the various uploads folders you have and then re-do the upgrades, but that would probably be more time-consuming 23:07 < Jiggie> yeah, i was just thinking of combining all of them and re-[point the files manually, is not that many 23:08 <@preaction-m> the structure of the uploads folder has changed, as I said. that would not be possible 23:13 < Jiggie> crap,,,,,, more work for me. i wanted to clean my hands of this...but thats guys for the help 23:16 < Jiggie> one more problem now. 23:16 < Jiggie> can ya take a look for a minute 23:17 <@preaction-m> perlbot ask 23:17 < perlbot> Ask forth your question to the all-knowing channel and we shall bestow upon you the answer of correctitude. 23:18 < Jiggie> http://sial.org/pbot/21453 23:19 < Jiggie> this is it /data/wre/prereqs/mysql/libexec/mysqld: Got error 127 from storage engine 23:19 <@preaction-m> google for MySQL Error 127 23:21 <@preaction-m> it might be prudent to run a myisamchk on your database 23:23 < Jiggie> i figured that, but wanted to make sure. as i had to do it the last time it crapped out 23:36 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has joined #webgui 23:36 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 23:37 <+crythias> spam in the place where you work... now face south. think about direction. wonder why you haven't now. 23:38 <@preaction-m> spam in the back of my car, spam every place that you are 23:38 < jZed> i do not like green eggs or spam 23:38 <@preaction-m> loser 23:38 <@preaction-m> yellow eggs will kill you 23:38 <@preaction-m> green ones help against yellow lantern 23:39 < jZed> ok, I'll take the green eggs, but hold the spam, spam, spam, and spam --- Day changed Wed Nov 29 2006 00:00 < Jiggie> i take the spam with egg. thats good 00:07 <@preaction-m> spaghetti, alfredo, stirfry or burritos... i can never decide... 00:30 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has quit ["Leaving."] 01:56 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@68.51.234.189] has joined #webgui 01:56 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 03:21 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #webgui 05:27 -!- davidcl [n=it01@static-67-62-180-106.t1.cavtel.net] has joined #webgui 05:30 -!- davidcl [n=it01@static-67-62-180-106.t1.cavtel.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:04 -!- perlm [n=kmurphy@ip68-97-17-231.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 07:11 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 07:29 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 07:29 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythia1] by ChanServ 07:47 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@68.51.234.189] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:58 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] 15:58 < ckotil> Are we still having the problem with spectre.pl needing to be rebooted every week or so? 15:59 < ckotil> I had a user upload a file last night and it never appeared on the site. 15:59 < ckotil> The file was in the commited version tags. so I just added the file myself 16:14 -!- crythia1 [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:01 -!- jZed [n=jeff@dsl093-039-031.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has left #webgui [] 18:37 < ckotil> Is there anything built in to webgui to check for deadlinks? 19:21 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has joined #webgui 19:21 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 20:05 -!- Jiggie2 [n=none@63-239-138-22.dia.static.qwest.net] has joined #webgui 20:05 -!- Jiggie [n=none@63-239-138-22.dia.static.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:21 -!- jZe1 [n=jeff@dsl093-039-031.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #webgui --- Day changed Thu Nov 30 2006 00:13 -!- jZe1 [n=jeff@dsl093-039-031.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has left #webgui [] 00:14 -!- jZe1 [n=jeff@dsl093-039-031.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #webgui 00:27 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has left #webgui [] 02:02 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 02:02 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 02:48 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui 03:46 -!- jZe1 [n=jeff@dsl093-039-031.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has left #webgui [] 03:47 -!- jZed [n=jeff@dsl093-039-031.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #webgui 03:55 < Radix-wrk> Did the topic disappear - or is my irc client just not showing it? 03:56 < jZed> mine doesn't show it 03:56 -!- Radix-wrk changed the topic of #webgui to: Latest Versions: Webgui 7.2.3 (stable), WRE 0.7.2 -=- Ask your questions.. and be patient - it may take a while for us to answer! :) 03:56 < jZed> I'm using GAIM 03:56 < jZed> there it is 03:56 < Radix-wrk> yah.. because I just set it :) 03:56 < Radix-wrk> must have been wiped for some reason 03:56 < jZed> I knew that :-) 03:59 < Radix-wrk> Hmm.. grab 7.2.3 while you can.. 7.3.0 beta is coming next week 04:00 < Radix-wrk> not that you won't be able to grab it next week.. but the upgrade scripts will all default to 7.3 then :) 04:00 < Radix-wrk> I'm still using 7.0.8 myself - should upgrade I guess 04:00 <+crythias> heh. gwy2 is 7.0.6 07:44 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:24 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@68.51.234.189] has joined #webgui 08:24 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 08:45 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@68.51.234.189] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:20 -!- preaction [n=doug@72.1.4.143] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:09 -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] 13:02 -!- jZed [n=jeff@dsl093-039-031.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has left #webgui [] 15:25 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 15:25 -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ 15:30 < ckotil> im anxious to see this wiki asset 16:16 < Radix__> yeah, should be fun 16:54 -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:27 < ckotil> really, i think we could of had a great wiki long ago if only a good template was put together 18:53 -!- vidar_ [i=gudjon@157.157.215.202] has joined #webgui 20:38 -!- jZed [n=jeff@dsl093-039-031.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #webgui 22:05 < ckotil> is there a workflow to clear the cache? 22:07 < ckotil> clear the cache after a commit* 22:08 < ckotil> ;] and to only do it inside folder assets would be even cooler 22:08 < ckotil> i set it to clear the cache in the hourly workflow 22:21 < ckotil> i cant seem to recall where to change the time limit for cacheing...anyone know? 22:22 < ckotil> im thinking about lowering it to about 30 minutes. my users are complaining that commited changes arent appearing fast enough. im thinking its a caching issue either on their browsers end or webgui's 23:33 -!- royjohnson [n=royjohns@224.248.95.24.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui 23:34 -!- royjohnson is now known as snapcount 23:34 -!- mode/#webgui [+o snapcount] by ChanServ 23:34 -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat052.mxim.com] has joined #webgui 23:34 -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ 23:34 -!- mode/#webgui [-o snapcount] by snapcount 23:35 < snapcount> perlbot sit 23:35 < snapcount> perlbot rollover 23:36 < snapcount> perlbot speak! 23:36 * snapcount scratches his head 23:36 <+perlDreamer> maybe he's asleep? 23:36 < jZed> no, scratch perlbot's head 23:36 < snapcount> perlbot slap snapcount 23:36 * perlbot slaps snapcount around a bit with a large trout 23:37 < snapcount> perlbot 8ball 23:37 < perlbot> Magic 8ball says: No 23:37 <+perlDreamer> I miss WRE 23:37 <+perlDreamer> he was a great bot 23:38 < snapcount> calc palmade 23:38 < snapcount> heheh 23:38 < snapcount> good times 23:38 <+perlDreamer> remember the one about Matt's sister? 23:39 < snapcount> no 23:39 < snapcount> I'm sure it was funny though 23:40 < ckotil> where do i change the timeout limit on the cache? 23:42 -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui 23:42 -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ 23:43 < snapcount> there is no global setting 23:43 < ckotil> ah. 23:43 < ckotil> even better 23:43 < snapcount> it's configured in the asset properties if the asset uses caching 23:43 < ckotil> thanks 23:43 < snapcount> np 23:43 < ckotil> k i recall now. i knew i saw it somehwhere 23:44 < snapcount> deja vu is common in wG 23:44 < snapcount> someone should write an irc wobject for webgui 23:44 < snapcount> and an irc bot wobject 23:45 < ckotil> heh 23:45 < snapcount> then we could have this channel on the pb website 23:45 < ckotil> that'd be cool 23:45 < snapcount> Colin, how long would it take you? 23:45 < ckotil> heh 23:45 <+perlDreamer> huh? me? 23:45 <+perlDreamer> do IRC programming? 23:46 < snapcount> no, of course not 23:46 < snapcount> someone else has done that already surely 23:46 <+perlDreamer> Don't call me surely 23:46 < snapcount> cpan 23:46 <+perlDreamer> would you store each line in a table in the db? 23:47 < snapcount> it's simple... all *you* have to do, cough cough, is wrap the cpan modules in a wobject and sprinkle some UI on top 23:47 < ckotil> so the folder asset will alphabetize contents for you. can the alphabetization be easily reversed? 23:48 < ckotil> My group is finally starting to develop wobjects internally. Im sure progress will be very slow at first. but hey, its a start. i think first we are going to internalize some of our network monitoring and reprting tools 23:52 < snapcount> yes it's easy 23:52 < snapcount> imo anyways 23:53 < ckotil> will it be as simple as editing the template? 23:53 < ckotil> or will i have to go into the .pm itself 23:53 < snapcount> it's code 23:53 < ckotil> k 23:53 < ckotil> i can pry handle that. thanks. 23:53 < snapcount> getLineage method in AssetLineage does the sorting 23:53 -!- jZed [n=jeff@dsl093-039-031.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has left #webgui [] 23:54 < snapcount> via the rules hash {orderByClause} 23:54 < snapcount> see the view method in WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Folder.pm 23:54 < ckotil> ah. even better. thanks 23:55 <+perlDreamer> or you could put it into a table and then use any of the javascript table sorting handlers 23:55 < snapcount> you would change that to assetData.title desc 23:55 < ckotil> ohhh. badass. 23:55 < ckotil> its set to asc now? 23:56 < snapcount> no order is passed so it defaults to asc 23:57 < snapcount> but that's b/c of mysql 23:57 < ckotil> ok 23:57 < ckotil> thanks. im heading home. 23:57 < snapcount> have pleasant travels 23:57 < snapcount> may gooey be with you 23:57 < ckotil> it got real cold today. im in the midwest 23:58 < ckotil> and also with you. 23:58 < ckotil> pz 23:58 < snapcount> I'm starting to realize that I'm a huge dork 23:58 < ckotil> we all are. 23:58 < ckotil> heh 23:58 <+perlDreamer> you're not alone, snapcount! 23:58 < snapcount> so we're like a dork herd 23:59 < snapcount> or clan 23:59 -!- snapcount changed the topic of #webgui to: Watch for migrant dork herds 23:59 < snapcount> that sounds funny... I lolled --- Log closed Fri Dec 01 00:00:38 2006