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16:41 < maxscience> hi
16:43 <+MrHairgrease> hi
16:45 < maxscience> I'm still struggling with that variable img tag....
16:46 < maxscience> is someone willing to do this as a custom job?
16:46 <+MrHairgrease> no time
16:47 < maxscience> :( But I'm surprised by this.... WebGUI Macro should solve that just fine. It's such a basic thing
16:48 < maxscience> and/or Navigation asset
16:48 <+MrHairgrease> ok, you may be surprised
16:49 <+MrHairgrease> but I'm very busy =)
16:49 < maxscience> eheh ok
16:49 <+MrHairgrease> what was the problem again?
16:49 <+MrHairgrease> you needed two templates for one article right?
16:49 < maxscience> No I solved that
16:49 <+MrHairgrease> oh
16:50 <+MrHairgrease> in that case I dunno the problem
16:50 < maxscience> it's another problem I had...
16:50 < maxscience> here http://www.plainblack.com/web_design_templates_and_themes/variable-header
16:52 <+MrHairgrease> use a snippet
16:52 <+MrHairgrease> containing the topheader
16:52 <+MrHairgrease> or even better
16:52 <+MrHairgrease> teh css for each topheader
16:53 < maxscience> yes but the top header should be variable.. That's the problem. Actually just an img tag in the header is changing from section to section of the website
16:53 <+MrHairgrease> ok
16:53 <+MrHairgrease> so try this
16:53 < xdanger_> maxscience: wanna my macro? I just stripped it for you =)
16:53 < maxscience> so I have to use X style templates or X snippets? I didn't want to do that.. I looked for a better solution so I just have one template
16:53 < maxscience> really?? :)
16:54 <+MrHairgrease> step one
16:54 <+MrHairgrease> tweak your style so the image is the background image of a div or td or so
16:54 <+MrHairgrease> attach an id to that element
16:54 < xdanger_> maxscience: http://rafb.net/paste/results/kl2GQM90.html
16:55 <+MrHairgrease> create a css file for each image (as a snippet)
16:55 <+MrHairgrease> use javascript to select a random css file
16:55 <+MrHairgrease> works like a charm
16:55 < maxscience> mmh is xdanger macro a simpler solution?
16:55 < xdanger_> MrHairgrease: take a quick peek at my awesome macro ;)
16:56 < maxscience> thank you xdanger!! Can you please tell me how to use it?
16:57 <+MrHairgrease> so
16:57 <+MrHairgrease> what does it do?
16:57 < xdanger_> in that, you create a template with <tmpl_if nextToRoot.products><img src="products.jpg></tmpl_if>
16:57 < maxscience> it works on WebGUI 7.0.6 right?
16:57 <+MrHairgrease> get the toplevel page
16:57 < maxscience> I have this structure:
16:58 < maxscience> Home -> Section 1 -> Article 1
16:58 < maxscience> Home -> Section 2 -> Article
16:58 < xdanger_> the products being the url that you have under home
16:58 < maxscience> Home -> Section 3 -> Article 1 -> CS
16:59 < maxscience> And for each Section X -> Article X -> Page X I have an img tag at the header...
16:59 < xdanger_> that only accounts for difference between sections
16:59 -!- You're now known as xdanger
17:00 < maxscience> Does your macro fits this case?
17:00 < xdanger> I meant to say that that macro only accounts differences between sections
17:01 < xdanger> if you want to have different images in different Articles, then no.
17:01 < maxscience> no I just want to have an image for each section and its descendants...
17:02 < maxscience> so Section 1 has header1.jpg
17:03 < maxscience> Section 1 -> Article 1 has header1.jpg
17:03 < maxscience> Section 2 has header 2.jpg
17:03 < maxscience> etc.
17:03 < xdanger> yes, that works
17:04 < maxscience> wow let me try it then!! :) I'm installing it
17:04 < maxscience> so no other Macro in WebGUI 7.0.6 is able to do that
17:04 < maxscience> standard ones I mean
17:07 < xdanger> We'll that is an easy solution that I used =)
17:07 < xdanger> and it works on 6.8 and I belive that there wasn't any API changes between 6.8->7.0 in Macros
17:08 < maxscience> ok so I can be your tester for 7! =)
17:10 < maxscience> I have to add this line to the mydomain.conf file right? "xnav" : "xnav"
17:13 < maxscience> so in my case I can use <tmpl_if nextToRoot.section1><img src="header1.jpg"></tmpl_if>
17:16 < maxscience> but will it work for Section 1 -> Page 1-> Page 2?
17:16 < maxscience> or just for Section 1 -> Page 1?
17:22 < xdanger> that will work for all under section1
17:44 <+MrHairgrease> I think you can do the same with a navigation asset
17:44 <+MrHairgrease> btw
17:45 <+MrHairgrease> set start point to root
17:45 <+MrHairgrease> set the offset to /a/
17:45 <+MrHairgrease> and select descendents
17:47 < xdanger> but then you have to use If macro or something like that
17:47 <+MrHairgrease> why?
17:48 <+MrHairgrease> let's see if I understand the problem correctly
17:48 <+MrHairgrease> you have root > topLevel1 > imageForLevel1
17:48 <+MrHairgrease> so the page root> toplevel1> mypage
17:49 <+MrHairgrease> should show imageForlevel1
17:49 <+MrHairgrease> and so does root> toplevel1> mypage > yet anotherpage
17:49 <+MrHairgrease> right
17:49 <+MrHairgrease> ditto for other branches
17:49 <+MrHairgrease> right?
17:50 < xdanger> yep
17:50 <+MrHairgrease> in that case the nav should work
17:50 <+MrHairgrease> create a template:
17:51 <+MrHairgrease> <tmpl_loop page_loop>
17:51 <+MrHairgrease> <tmpl_var page.url>/image.png
17:51 <+MrHairgrease> </tmpl_loop>
17:51 <+MrHairgrease> <tmpl_var page.url>/image.png
17:51 <+MrHairgrease> should be 
17:51 <+MrHairgrease> <img src="<tmpl_var page.url>/image.png"> btw
17:52 < xdanger> well thats correct =)
17:52 <+MrHairgrease> it is a bit heavier than just a macro though
17:52 < xdanger> but I needed to have different html for each section, that's the reason I did that macro
17:52 <+MrHairgrease> but the upgrades will be much easier
17:52 <+MrHairgrease> oh ok
17:57 < xdanger> it's not that large macro =)
17:57 <+MrHairgrease> i was saying the macro is faster than using nav
17:57 <+MrHairgrease> oh wait
17:57 <+MrHairgrease> you for upgrading
17:57 <+MrHairgrease> yeah
17:57 <+MrHairgrease> it isn't
17:58 < xdanger> actually that's the stripped version, there is another function in my version
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19:43 < maxscience> hey I'm back
19:45 < maxscience> I already tried with navigation
19:45 < maxscience> but it doesn't really work
19:45 < maxscience> so I'll try your macro xdanger
19:46 < maxscience> are you there xdanger?
19:47 < maxscience> You have to call the macro before you can use thoe tmpl vars you indicated?
20:07 < xdanger> you have to have a template in the template folder
20:08 < xdanger> and then vall the macro ^xnav(template_url);
20:09 < maxscience> ok and the template folder should be named Macro/xnav?
20:10 < maxscience> I added this line to the conf file  "xnav" : "xnav"
20:12 < xdanger> yes
20:12 < xdanger> that should do it
20:12 < maxscience> ok and for the template type (namespace) I'm adding a new value Nav/xnav
20:12 < maxscience> is this correct?
20:12 < xdanger> I'm not sure, but the templates namespace should also be xnav
20:13 < maxscience> I did Macro/xnav
20:13 < xdanger> I don't think it matters =)
20:13 < maxscience> really? oh :)
20:13 < xdanger> since the macro calls it by url
20:13 < maxscience> ok wow I can't wait to see if it works
20:14 < xdanger> the namespace is mainly to list templates under the relevant namespace
20:14 < maxscience> ah ok :)
20:15 < maxscience> damn it doesn't work :(
20:15 < maxscience> it seems WebGUI does not parse it... I get the the text on the html page display ^xnav(root/import/macro/xnav/xnav);
20:15 < maxscience> I also restarted WebGUI...
20:16 < maxscience> the WRE actually
20:18 < xdanger> did you check the filerights?
20:18 < maxscience> oh true let me see
20:19 < maxscience> but wait I see that there is another Macro directory in the "t" directory with all standard Macros...
20:23 < maxscience> yes it has the same filerights as the other macros
20:26 < maxscience> aha now I activated debugging mode in WebGUI and it seems that your macro has a bug
20:26 < maxscience> does not work under version 7 :(
20:26 < xdanger> the "t" folder is testes
20:26 < maxscience> yes saw that :)
20:26 < xdanger> what does it say?
20:26 < maxscience> Processing failed on macro: ^xnav(root/import/macro/xnav/xnav);: Undefined subroutine &WebGUI::Macro::xnav::process called at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Macro.pm line 145.
20:27 < maxscience> this line is repeated 10 times
21:12 < xdanger> just a moment
21:13 < maxscience> ok thanks :)
21:13 < xdanger> there _was_ a change in API =D
21:20 < xdanger> maxscience: try this: http://rafb.net/paste/results/UfFaLh28.html
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22:14 <@snapcount> greetings peeps
22:38 < maxscience> hi snapcount
22:38 < maxscience> xdanger I'm back.. Thanks! I'll try that out
22:43 < maxscience> same error repeated 10 times :( Processing failed on macro: ^xnav(root/import/macro/xnav/imgintestazione);: Undefined subroutine &WebGUI::Macro::xnav::process called at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Macro.pm line 145.
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23:29 < xdanger> maxscience: you did name it xnav.pm ?
23:30 < maxscience> yes I modified the previous file and it's xnav.pm
23:36 < xdanger> maxscience: there is a typo in line 23, $sessions should be $session
23:36 < xdanger> sorry about that
23:36 < xdanger> had to instal 7.0 mys elf =)
23:39 < maxscience> yahooooo :D it works!
23:39 < maxscience> I also had to restart wre
23:39 < maxscience> let me see if it works for other pages too
23:43 < maxscience> wow thanks so much xdanger!!
23:46 < xdanger> sorry about the typo thou...
23:46 < xdanger> don't have 7.0 myself
23:46 < xdanger> so just improvised it
23:46 < maxscience> :)
23:47 < maxscience> why you don't upgrade to 7? Too many dependencies on old APIs?
23:48 < xdanger> custom asset, lazyness
23:48 < maxscience> :)
23:48 < xdanger> waiting for you guys to find out the bugs, so that I don't have to fix them ;)
23:49 < maxscience> eheh yeah I posted some
23:49 < maxscience> I like WebGUI... But for some things it looks so basic...
23:51 < maxscience> For example I need to display the same asset using different templates on different areas of the site... Only the Article asset has a tmpl variable to call a different template view
23:51 < maxscience> or I can do that using Packages?
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00:13 < maxscience> c you tomorrow and thanks again!
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12:27 < maxscience> hi
12:27 < maxscience> yo xdanger are you there?
13:29 < xdanger> yup
13:30 < maxscience> your macro rocks! :D
13:31 < xdanger> and btw. for your template problem... If you use shourtcut, you can override some settings of the original asset
13:31 < xdanger> thanks =)
13:32 < maxscience> it's a trick to display the same assets under different templates?
13:32 < xdanger> I belive so
13:32 < xdanger> not sure =)
13:32 < maxscience> k
13:37 < xdanger> yes it is ;)
13:37 < xdanger> http://demo.plainblack.com/demo1157193197_548/home
13:37 < xdanger> you have to insert the templateId in the overrides, but you can do it
13:39 < maxscience> in the overrides?
13:40 < xdanger> a new tab in the shourtcuts properties
13:40 < maxscience> aha.. I'll check that out thanks
14:31 < maxscience> btw you can give RSS feeds just for your CS assets?
14:46 < xdanger> yes
14:46 < maxscience> no Articles :(
14:47 < xdanger> you can create a navigation that does that
14:47 < xdanger> It's been disscussed in the boards sometime ago
14:47 < maxscience> yeah mmmh :( I guess it will be better to do all with CS with custom tmpls
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18:20 < maxscience> hi
18:20 < maxscience> have you ever used the RandomThread macro?
18:22 < xdanger> nope, I've written my own with sql macro =P
18:22 < maxscience> oh :(
18:23 < maxscience> I'm looking for a method to display the last published CS or the last published Article
18:25 < xdanger> ah, sql macro it is then ;)
18:26 < maxscience> darn I'm no developer :(
18:31 < maxscience> so the news piece you see on the homepage of plainblack.com is done using the SQL Macro...
18:37 < xdanger> or a custom macro
18:39 < maxscience> so the RandomThread Macro can't do that with custom templates? :(
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19:01 < xdanger> maxscience: I don't know
19:04 < maxscience> ok :)
19:32 < maxscience> the Message Board template has an if_ODD_ variable... And it seems to prevent the right view...
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16:16 < maxscience> hey
16:16 < maxscience> have you played with Collaboration templates?
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10:32 < Radix-wrk> Aww.. Steve Irwin died - apparently a sting ray got him.  Bet the crocodiles are pretty annoyed - I'm sure they wanted him.
11:01 <+crythias> ack
11:01 <+crythias> so sad
11:02 <+crythias> after all he's been through, this is almost fitting, yet bizarre.
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12:41 < maxscience> yo
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13:01 < maxscience> hi crythias
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16:49 < maxscience> hey crythias
16:49 < maxscience> could you help me with Message Board asset? I think there's a bug in it
16:49 <+crythias> perhaps
16:50 < maxscience> you see here?
16:50 < maxscience> http://www.plainblack.com/discuss
16:50 < maxscience> but it doesn't diplay like that...
16:51 < maxscience> there an if __ODD__ tmpl variable in the Message Board template that prevents this view
16:51 < maxscience> I don't know what ODD refers to
16:54 <+crythias> ...?
16:54 <+crythias> alternating bands?
16:56 < maxscience> yep
16:56 < maxscience> mmmh got it now :)
16:56 <+crythias> a loop has an increment... ODD is the "count" of the loop.
16:56 < maxscience> ok thx
16:56 <+crythias> every other one.
16:57 <+crythias> <TMPL_IF __ODD__>{blue}</TMPL_IF>
16:58 <+crythias> don't forget to use it twice to close the {blue} tag, if necessary.
16:59 <+crythias> {blue} is not a tag, btw. It's just a symbolic representation because I'm too lazy to type it out.
17:00 < maxscience> eheh yeah
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18:15 < maxscience> do you know how WRE works when adding new sites? What's the functionality? A different webgui root?
18:28 <+MrHairgrease> I haven't tried it
18:28 <+MrHairgrease> but it prlly generates a seperate conf in the etc dir
18:29 <+MrHairgrease> and a seperate www root
18:29 <+MrHairgrease> or uploads diretory
18:53 < pjesi> webgui + gentoo == problems ?
18:58 < maxscience> :D
19:07 < pjesi> heh
19:13 < maxscience> there is a mainteinance mode in WebGUI?
19:13 < maxscience> probably someone made a custom script for it if I remember well
19:14 < pjesi> are no documentation available online for webdesign in WebGUI?
19:15 < maxscience> http://www.plainblack.com/designers
19:16 < pjesi> this says nothing
19:16 < pjesi> not looking for XHTML/CSS guides
19:17 < maxscience> what then
19:17 < maxscience> you're asking about template variables?
19:17 < pjesi> I have XHTML/CSS template for joomla
19:17 < pjesi> want to migrate it to webgui
19:18 < maxscience> ok you can find some tmpl variables documentation in WebGUI help files. But you have to install it first
19:18 < maxscience> May I ask why you want to migrate from joomla?
19:19 < pjesi> dont like php
19:19 < pjesi> dont like joomla
19:19 < maxscience> eheh but why
19:19 < pjesi> not unicode
19:19 < pjesi> security issues
19:19 < maxscience> yep
19:20 < pjesi> permissions are poor
19:20 < pjesi> only linear
19:20 < pjesi> core code outputs tables
19:21 < pjesi> content hierarchy is limited to section/cat/content
19:21 < xdanger> hehe, I like you =)
19:21 < pjesi> Im hoping that webgui solves my problems
19:22 < pjesi> but I'm afraid that it is not multilingual
19:22 < xdanger> I dislike almost everything related to php =)
19:22 < pjesi> same
19:22 < xdanger> how do you mean multilingual?
19:23 < maxscience> it has multilanguage support... Of course you have to translate it into another language if no one did it :D
19:23 < maxscience> which language you need?
19:24 < pjesi> can one installation be in many languages?
19:24 < pjesi> need to be able to switch languages from the site
19:24 < pjesi> and translate content
19:25 < maxscience> Not really.. Each user can switch interface language
19:25 < maxscience> but not content language.. You have to create a root for each language you want
19:25 < maxscience> which languages you need?
19:25 < pjesi> what about users that are not registered?
19:25 < pjesi> maxscience: all the languages in the Arctic
19:25 < pjesi> :D
19:26 < maxscience> You can edit the default language value for user "Visitor" in its profile
19:26 < maxscience> each non logged in user is a "Visitor" user
19:26 < xdanger> pjesi: take a look at: http://datapartner.fi/
19:26 < maxscience> Arctic? wow
19:26 < pjesi> maxscience: big project
19:27 < maxscience> English, French, Italian?
19:27 < xdanger> only problem is that errors and 404 are in english only...
19:27 < xdanger> but you can also do multible webgui sites, each for different language
19:27 < pjesi> saami, russian, icelandic...
19:28 < xdanger> o, saami =)
19:28 < pjesi> xdanger: that seems like a too much ad-hoc solution
19:28 < maxscience> yep it is unfortunately
19:28 < maxscience> WebGUI has lots of noob gaps :D
19:28 < xdanger> my main problems with webgui are related to multilingual sites...
19:29 < pjesi> ok
19:29 < maxscience> why not push for some more advanced multilingual options?
19:29 < maxscience> in future WebGUI releases
19:29 < xdanger> There should be a language setting for branches...
19:30 < maxscience> on-the-fly language switch for user...
19:30 < pjesi> I'm also using ePrints for this project
19:30 < xdanger> yep... Hmm... at which point are Macros run?-)
19:31 < pjesi> it has nice multilingual support
19:32 <+crythias> grr
19:32 <+crythias> I just spent about 2 hours working on someone's site then committed changes and they disappeared.
19:33 < pjesi> If I could manage to cram CMS functionality into eprints then all my problems would go farfar away :)
19:33 < xdanger> nice to have versioning ;)
19:38 <+crythias> actually, I don't think spectre is running on their site
19:39 <+MrHairgrease> just start spectre
19:40 <+MrHairgrease> and your content will reapear
19:40 <+MrHairgrease> what is eprints btw?
19:40 <+MrHairgrease> some kind of document version control?
19:41 < pjesi> it is a repository
19:41 <+MrHairgrease> do you have an url?
19:42 < pjesi> http://www.eprints.org/software/
19:43 <+MrHairgrease> ok, thnaks
19:44 <+MrHairgrease> having multilanguage support in webgui has been discussed before
19:44 <+MrHairgrease> on the dev list
19:44 <+MrHairgrease> but that time it seemed too complex for webgui purpose
19:44 < pjesi> eprints uses xml to describe all text
19:45 < pjesi> very easy to translate
19:45 <+MrHairgrease> the problem is not so much the data container
19:45 <+MrHairgrease> but more the integration
19:45 <+MrHairgrease> at least
19:45 <+MrHairgrease> afaik
19:47 <+MrHairgrease> you could submit a rfe on the plainb;acl site
19:47 <+MrHairgrease> (if there isn't already one_
19:47 <+MrHairgrease> next week I'm going to the webgui users conference, and i'll talk to some guys about this thing.
19:48 <+MrHairgrease> but don't get any hopes up
19:48 <+MrHairgrease> of getting this thing implemented soon
19:48 < pjesi> I have not hopes
19:48 <+MrHairgrease> or at all
19:48 < pjesi> ok that was bad english
19:48 <+MrHairgrease> doesn't matter
19:48 < pjesi> :)
19:48 <+MrHairgrease> my english also sucks times
19:49 < xdanger> likewise
19:49 <+MrHairgrease> who cares anyway, as long as people understand my babble I'm happ =)
19:49 <+MrHairgrease> xdanger, yeah I know =)
19:49 < pjesi> will I be able to construct sections that are only editable to some group without any problems?
19:49 <+crythias> yes
19:49 <+MrHairgrease> yes
19:49 <+MrHairgrease> ha
19:50 < xdanger> MrHairgrease: sometimes just don't want to stop to think how to write the thing, could forget it ;)
19:50 <+MrHairgrease> so that prolly means it is possible
19:50 < pjesi> :)
19:50 < pjesi> man all those perl modules...
19:50 <+crythias> re: languages how would you want to implement that anyway?
19:51 <+MrHairgrease> the only module that is a bitch to install in libapreq2
19:51 <+crythias> you'd have to either do manual translation or machine translation.
19:51 <+MrHairgrease> stated better: a bitch to compile
19:51 <+crythias> and libapreq2 is easy if you copy the header files...
19:51 <+crythias> :)
19:51 <+MrHairgrease> well, since machine translation sucks
19:52 <+MrHairgrease> i'd opt for human translation
19:52 <+crythias> which means that you'd have to duplicate layout.
19:52 <+MrHairgrease> to store diffrent translations my best guess at the top of my head is
19:52 <+MrHairgrease> use the versioning system for it.
19:53 <+MrHairgrease> why do you need dupe layout?
19:53 <+crythias> package/redeploy/translate
19:53 <+crythias> ?
19:54 <+MrHairgrease> i don't understand
19:54 <+MrHairgrease> layout is in templates
19:54 <+crythias> create in english, make a package,...
19:54 <+MrHairgrease> html is the same for all languages
19:54 <+crythias> well, yeah, I meant something different.
19:54 <+MrHairgrease> now if you were to have hardcoded texts in your layout...
19:55 <+MrHairgrease> that's a diffrent thing
19:55 <+MrHairgrease> but you could solve that using snippets
19:55 <+MrHairgrease> which would be a much better solution anyway
19:55 <+MrHairgrease> seperate content from layout
19:55 <+crythias> ahh yeah
19:56 <+MrHairgrease> crythias
19:56 <+MrHairgrease> are you going to the wuc?
19:56 <+crythias> I can't :*( I want to soo bad
19:56 <+MrHairgrease> oh man
19:56 <+MrHairgrease> that sucks
19:56 <+crythias> yeah. too much going on here.
19:56 <+MrHairgrease> now you'll never know how to operate the sqlform =)
19:56 <+MrHairgrease> hmm
19:56 <+MrHairgrease> job obligations?
19:57 <+crythias> and I was at the time of registration trying to determine if I was house hunting.
19:58 <+MrHairgrease> house hunting as in moving?
19:58 <+crythias> yeah
19:59 <+crythias> I was planning to be in Houston at the time. but I can't leave to do oth things.
19:59 <+MrHairgrease> your moving to houston?
19:59 <+MrHairgrease> you're*
19:59 <+crythias> was considering it.
20:00 <+MrHairgrease> why
20:00 <+MrHairgrease> felt the urge to drink beers with cowboys?
20:00 <+MrHairgrease> =)
20:00 <+crythias> for a yard :) 
20:00 <+crythias> can't afford a yard in FL
20:00 <+MrHairgrease> yard as in a big garden?
20:00 <+MrHairgrease> pls excuse my lack of english comprehension =)
20:00 <+crythias> as in a 1/4 acre or so plot of land that my little one can run around.
20:01 <+crythias> (I live in a condo)
20:01 <+MrHairgrease> are you trying to breed an athlete? =)
20:01 <+crythias> most of that would be occupied by a house :)
20:02 <+MrHairgrease> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condo
20:02 <+MrHairgrease> aha
20:02 <+MrHairgrease> i understand
20:02 <+MrHairgrease> big step to take man
20:03 <+crythias> condo= owned apartment.
20:03 <+MrHairgrease> but you postponeed the decision
20:03 <+MrHairgrease> yeah I figured so much
20:03 <+crythias> well, postponed, not so much as lack of planning.
20:03 <+MrHairgrease> ok
20:05 <+crythias> hmm... hunger calls on this labor day, so I want to see who is open for food biz today..
20:06 <+MrHairgrease> ok
20:06 <+MrHairgrease> bon apetit
20:07 <+crythias> may wee
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21:17 < maxscience> hey
21:17 < maxscience> what's really a prototype?
21:28 <+crythias> ?
21:30 < maxscience> under the Metadata tab of an Asset
22:09 <+crythias> grr
22:09 <+crythias> my im isn't warning me when new posts
22:10 <+crythias> prototype is a configuration snapshot of an asset type to reuse, I think.
22:11 <+crythias> if you make configuration changes to an asset type, you can prototype it so you don't have to set those settings again.
22:24 < maxscience> mmh this isn't a package?
22:35 <+MrHairgrease> nope
22:35 <+MrHairgrease> it's just an asset with the properties already set
22:36 <+MrHairgrease> try it, and it'll become clear
22:36 <+MrHairgrease> it can be very handy in case of collab system assets especially
22:39 < maxscience> yeah that's what I'm trying to use
22:39 < maxscience> unfortunately they don't deploy
22:39 < maxscience> I already posted a bug for this
22:40 <+crythias> it's not deploy.
22:40 <+crythias> it should show up as a new asset type
22:40 < maxscience> well when you click on a package link the url function shows as deploy
22:41 < maxscience> anyway it doesn't add to the page
22:41 < maxscience> Poll assets packages add just fine
22:41 < maxscience> CS packages do not :(
22:43 <+crythias>    it's not a package
22:45 <+crythias> it's a "New Asset" of the name of the prototype
22:45 <+crythias> I created a new CS called it "Let's Talk" and saved it as a prototype. committed changes.
22:46 <+crythias> now I have a "Let's Talk" New Content type.
22:46 < maxscience> well when I click on a CS package in the Admin bar, it doesn't add to the page. While the Poll one adds just fine
22:47 <+crythias> did you make a package or a prototype?
22:47 <+crythias> if you packaged a prototype, it shoudl likely never show up.
22:47 <+crythias> should
22:49 <+MrHairgrease> good luck guys
22:50 <+MrHairgrease> gotta go and drink some beers
22:50 <+MrHairgrease> life == good =)
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23:23 < maxscience> No I just made it a package in fact it shows up in the Package tab of the Admin bar
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04:01 < Radix-wrk> mornin'
04:09 <+crythia1> evenin'
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11:33 < pjesi> Unsatisfied dependencies detected during [J/JO/JOESUF/libapreq2-2.07.tar.gz]
11:33 < pjesi> wtf
11:33 < pjesi> mod_perl
11:33 < Radix-wrk> use the WRE :)
11:34 < pjesi> well
11:34 < pjesi> if I had private server for this then yes maybe, but probably not
11:51 < xdanger> libapreq2 is a pain in the arse to install
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12:03 < pjesi> emerge libapreq2
12:03 < pjesi> :)
12:04 < xdanger> I meant to say, from cpan ;)
12:08 < pjesi> before I go any further with this, I have 3 column layout (1-2-1), how difficult is it to implement in webgui?
12:08 < xdanger> not hard =)
12:08 < xdanger> there is a layout template and a page template
12:09 < pjesi> and I want the calendar, navigation and such on the sides
12:09 < pjesi> without any hazzle
12:16 < pjesi> stupid cpan
12:43 < pjesi> DONE!
12:43 < pjesi> :)
12:45 < pjesi> xdanger: now where do I find the template files?
12:45 < xdanger> in the database =)
12:45 < pjesi> what
12:45 < pjesi> really
12:45 < xdanger> of course
12:46 < pjesi> and how do you edit it?
12:47 < xdanger> in webgui
12:47 < xdanger> web is all you need =P
12:48 < xdanger> everything (almost) is an asset, and you can edit pretty much everything right in webgui
12:49 < pjesi> mkay
12:49 < pjesi> looks like I have some errors
12:50 < pjesi> the images for copy edit delete ... are missing
12:50 < pjesi> and the admin bar does not appear
12:50 < xdanger> have you Alias /extras ?
12:51 < pjesi> no
12:51 < xdanger> in apache Alias /data/WebGUI/www/extras/ /extras
12:52 < xdanger> or was it the other way around =)
12:52 < xdanger> or was it extra
12:54 < pjesi> Alias /extras
12:57 < pjesi> xdanger: can you point me to were in the admin console I modify the look and feel?
12:58 < pjesi> or to some documentation how sites are styled
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14:46 < xdanger> pjesi: you should start with Admin Console -> Assets (manager) -> go rot root -> goto Import node -> goto Templates -> style -> copy the default style and edit it..
14:47 < xdanger> and then apply that to your pages... edit a page, and choose that style template in the display tab
14:47 < xdanger> pjesi: have a look at these: http://www.plainblack.com/content-managers
14:52 < xdanger> damn, iTransact is US-only
15:10 < pjesi> I mangaged to get my style template into the beast :)
15:21 < xdanger> good for you ;)
15:22 < pjesi> :)
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15:23 < pjesi> if you want my right column to be the same on all pages then I put it in the style template rather than layout template right?
15:24 < ckotil> that sounds correct
15:24 < xdanger> yes
15:24 < xdanger> And you can use the ^AssetProxy(url); macro to include dynamic stuff there
15:25 < pjesi> let say I put ^AssetProxy(home/calendar); there and it is set to Master, will it change as I browse down the site?
15:26 < ckotil> theres an option called edit branch.
15:26 < xdanger> nope
15:26 < pjesi> ok
15:26 < ckotil> that is. if its int he style template then any asset using that styler template will see the change
15:33 < ckotil> anyone know any good anti spam/email harvesting solutions? I want to put email addresses into an article, but dont want them to be harvested (easily)
15:34 < xdanger> ^Emask macro?-)
15:34 < ckotil> awsome , ill check that out. thanks
15:35 < xdanger> not sure if It's updated to v7 yet
15:35 < ckotil> ah...
15:35 < xdanger> but, it's not a big deal =)
15:35 < ckotil> cuz i just searched through my conf and couldnt find it.
15:35 < ckotil> ok
15:35 < xdanger> I can update it for you if you like
15:36 < ckotil> oh man that would great.
15:44 < xdanger> ckotil: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/7TSGfB98.html
15:44 < xdanger> Again, that should work, haven't tested it =P
15:45 < xdanger> place it as lib/WebGUI/Macro/Emask.pm
15:45 < xdanger> and edit conf acordingly
15:47 < xdanger> ckotil: here is the "help": https://www.plainblack.com/emask_-_email_address_masking
15:48 < ckotil> thanks man.
16:03 < xdanger> maybe I should post these on the contributions board =)
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16:11 < pjesi> man this is starting to look interesting
16:14 < ckotil> you should ;]
16:23 < Radix_> I'd like to see them too xdanger
16:31 < xdanger> I'll have test them before I can "go public" =)
16:39 < pjesi> any included breadcrumbs?
16:40 < ckotil> theres a crumb trail navigation asset. its nice
16:44 < xdanger> navigation is your friend, learn to love/hate it
16:44 < xdanger> It's quite tricky, but test&trial will teach you =)
16:44 < pjesi> nice
16:47 < ckotil> indeed
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17:34 < maxscience> hey
17:34 < maxscience> any clues on how to migrate an existing perl script to WRE?
17:42 < ckotil> I also would like to know.
17:45 < maxscience> :(
17:45 < ckotil> create is a wobject is what everyone tells me
17:45 < ckotil> but thats hard
17:46 < maxscience> No I don't mean how to migrate a script to WebGUI.. I mean to the WRE
17:46 < maxscience> so it runs outside of the WebGUI context
17:47 < ckotil> oh oh
17:47 < ckotil> i dont run the wre. so i just add a new directive to apaches httpd.conf
17:50 < maxscience> which one?
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17:52 < pjesi> I managed to screw things up :)
17:52 < pjesi> restarted without commiting
17:52 < ckotil> <directory> something like that
17:53 < xdanger> Options +ExecCGI (or something like that...)
17:53 < xdanger> also enable mod_cgi
17:53 < maxscience> you're running WRE xdanger?
17:53 < ckotil> exactly
17:54 < xdanger> I'm runing a "hybrid" =P
17:54 < xdanger> we have a generic hosting enviroment and some domain proxy to webgui =P
17:54 < xdanger> wich is running on WRE
17:55 < maxscience> oh
17:55 < xdanger> + couple of modifications
17:56 < pjesi> can I force unlocking?
17:57 < xdanger> unlocking?
17:57 < pjesi> yes I cannot edit items that I was working on before I restarted the machine
17:58 < xdanger> check your version tag, on the adminbar 
17:58 < xdanger> you can return to edit your previous edits
17:58 < xdanger> and then have to commit them..
17:58 < xdanger> you have spectre running?
17:58 < pjesi> I think so
17:58 < xdanger> you must have spectre running ;)
17:59 < xdanger> perl sbin/spectre.pl --ping
17:59 < xdanger> run that
17:59 < xdanger> in webgui folder
17:59 < maxscience> this if he doesn't run the wre
17:59 < maxscience> cause if the does, the path to perl is different
17:59 < maxscience> he
17:59 < xdanger> there should be some big blinking label if spectre isn't running =) imho
17:59 < pjesi> it is not running
18:00 < xdanger> maxscience: you can load the correct path to your bash session
18:00 < pjesi> it is now
18:00 < xdanger> run: . sbin/setenviroment.sh (or something like that)
18:01 < xdanger> I'm being a helpdesk again on my worktime =D
18:01 < maxscience> yeah I know :)
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18:23 < pjesi> image uploading seems to be broken
18:26 < pjesi> I uploaded "image" under Home, but the file location returns 404
18:29 < pjesi> Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Storage.pm line 542.
18:50 < xdanger> write privileges on the uploads folder?
18:50 < xdanger> for apache?
18:53 < pjesi> god
18:53 < pjesi> is that the only folder that apache needs?
18:56 < pjesi> id didn't make any difference
18:58 < xdanger> you should upload again
18:58 < xdanger> ;)
18:58 < pjesi> I did
18:59 < xdanger> Is the file in correct location?
18:59 < pjesi> New Content -> Image
18:59 < xdanger> I mean do you find it from shell?
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19:01 < maxscience> hi
19:01 <+MrHairgrease> hey
19:01 < maxscience> do you run WRE?
19:01 <+MrHairgrease> no
19:01 < pjesi> <img src="/uploads/QO/94/QO94c20Qre-cNPWa1utIfA/" style="border-style:none;" alt="logo" />
19:01 < maxscience> I have to migrate a perl script to the wre :(
19:01 < pjesi> you mean this location?
19:01 <+MrHairgrease> but I compiled it for kubuntu last weekend
19:02 <+MrHairgrease> why is that bad
19:02 <+MrHairgrease> ?
19:02 <+MrHairgrease> and what kind of script is it?
19:02 < maxscience> My webserver now serves this perl app under subdomain.mydomain.com
19:02 < xdanger> pjesi: there should be a file after that =)
19:03 < maxscience> I already copied its database from the old mysql to the new WRE mysql
19:03 < xdanger> did you run the chmod with -R ?
19:03 <+MrHairgrease> ok
19:03 < pjesi> xdanger: there is no such folder uploads/QO
19:03 <+MrHairgrease> but that shouldn't matter
19:03 < xdanger> ok, you have the uploads folder correctly in the conf?
19:03 < xdanger> points to the right uploads folder?
19:03 <+MrHairgrease> it's just a normal apache/mysq/mod_perl installation
19:03 < maxscience> so now I have to create a mod proxy file  under wre/etc?
19:03 <+MrHairgrease> i dunno
19:04 <+MrHairgrease> depends on what you want
19:04 < maxscience> well now 
19:04 < maxscience> My webserver now serves this perl app under subdomain.mydomain.com
19:04 <+MrHairgrease> if you have your webapp at antoher ip than it used to be
19:04 < maxscience> no it's the same ip
19:04 < pjesi> chmod -R apache:apache 
19:04 <+MrHairgrease> then i don't see the problem
19:04 < maxscience> I just want that the WRE apache is able to serve it as before
19:04 <+MrHairgrease> yeah i understand
19:05 < maxscience> the problem is that I don't know how to do that...
19:05 < maxscience> I might create a mod proxy file but I don't know if it works...
19:05 <+MrHairgrease> i would try to include the vhost section of the old httpd.conf
19:05 <+MrHairgrease> and include that in your new httpd.conf
19:05 <+MrHairgrease> maybe you should change some paths or so
19:05 < maxscience> yeah that's what I'm doing right now.. But I'm not including it under the new httpd.conf
19:05 <+MrHairgrease> apache == apache
19:05 <+MrHairgrease> ok
19:06 <+MrHairgrease> but it errors somehow?
19:06 < maxscience> yes but the WRE apache has special settings
19:06 <+MrHairgrease> aha
19:06 <+MrHairgrease> ic
19:06 < maxscience> well I still have to restart it to see if it works :) But I don't want to do any mess
19:06 <+MrHairgrease> and those settings are conflicting with your app
19:06 <+MrHairgrease> if you don't try you will never know
19:07 < maxscience> yeah I know eheh
19:07 < maxscience> let's see
19:07 <+MrHairgrease> another possibility is this scenario:
19:07 <+MrHairgrease> run your old webserver on the same ip
19:07 <+MrHairgrease> but a diffrent port
19:07 < maxscience> I'm already doing that
19:07 <+MrHairgrease> 8080 fo instnace
19:07 <+MrHairgrease> ok
19:07 < maxscience> because in the meantime I did the migration work from the old static site into WebGUI
19:07 <+MrHairgrease> then use mod_proxy to proxy the subdomin
19:07 <+MrHairgrease> ok
19:07 <+MrHairgrease> easy enough
19:07 <+MrHairgrease> i guess =)
19:08 < maxscience> let's hope/see :)
19:08 <+MrHairgrease> yeah
19:08 <+MrHairgrease> lety me know how it works out
19:09 < maxscience> dunno if I can specify the same access_log as WebGUI... 
19:09 < maxscience> can it conflict?
19:09 <+MrHairgrease> no
19:09 < maxscience> k
19:09 <+MrHairgrease> by default the wre runs mod_proxy
19:09 <+MrHairgrease> on port 80
19:10 <+MrHairgrease> and the webgui server on 81
19:10 <+MrHairgrease> i meant
19:10 <+MrHairgrease> no I don't thinks so
19:10 <+MrHairgrease> not sure
19:10 < maxscience> yeah I know. I'm now running the WRE mod_proxy under 82 cause the old server is still serving under 80
19:10 <+MrHairgrease> ok
19:10 <+MrHairgrease> you can whatever port
19:10 < maxscience> yep
19:10 <+MrHairgrease> the acceslog of the mod_proxy prolly logs all connections
19:11 <+MrHairgrease> including those to your webapp
19:11 <+MrHairgrease> and the access log of your old server
19:11 <+MrHairgrease> logs only calls from mod_proxy
19:11 <+MrHairgrease> i guess
19:12 < maxscience> not really cause it's a parameter you specify in the Virtual Host section
19:12 <+MrHairgrease> yeah sure
19:13 <+MrHairgrease> but mod_proxy logs the actual requests
19:13 < maxscience> the prob could be with the RewriteEngine.. Dunno if I will need to use it or not
19:13 <+MrHairgrease> mod_proxy just proxies the request to the app
19:13 <+MrHairgrease> so the access log of the app only sees  mod_proxy
19:13 <+MrHairgrease> hmm
19:13 <+MrHairgrease> using the rewrite enginge on webgui 7 sites is tricky
19:14 <+MrHairgrease> 6.8+ actually
19:14 <+MrHairgrease> you cannot use it anymore on pages that are inside webgui
19:14 <+MrHairgrease> only on locations that are in the passthruUrls config option
19:14 <+MrHairgrease> has to do with WebGUI being a mp handler
19:15 <+MrHairgrease> but mod_rewrite should work as it used to on non-webgui sites,
19:15 <+MrHairgrease> afk
19:16 < pjesi> Ok this is kinda weird, I can't edit/create articles and I can't upload files
19:18 <+MrHairgrease> that is weird =)
19:19 < pjesi> man
19:20 < pjesi> I need logs
19:21 <+MrHairgrease> which version are you on?
19:21 < pjesi> 7.0.6
19:21 < xdanger> you propably have log /var/log/webgui.log
19:23 <+MrHairgrease> does testEnvironment work?
19:23 < pjesi> not Color::Calc
19:23 < pjesi> cant get it in
19:24 < pjesi> Couldn't create storage location: /data/domains/arctic/public/uploads/QO/94/QO94c20Qre-cNPWa1utIfA : No such file or directory
19:25 <+MrHairgrease> you need color::calc
19:25 <+MrHairgrease> but that's prolly not your problem
19:25 < pjesi> it is permissions
19:25 <+MrHairgrease> are the provs to the www/uploads directory ok>
19:25 <+MrHairgrease> yes it is
19:27 < pjesi> works
19:27 < pjesi> stupid me
19:27 <+MrHairgrease> cool
19:27 <+MrHairgrease> anyway
19:27 < pjesi> forgot that I changed the apache user
19:27 <+MrHairgrease> gotta go cooking
19:27 <+MrHairgrease> oh
19:27 < pjesi> hf
19:27 <+MrHairgrease> sure
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19:38 < maxscience> umpf it doesn't work :(
21:34 < ckotil> anyone use syndicated feeds¿ rss/xml
21:34 < ckotil> i was just playing around with some. from syndic8 and google and washington post
21:34 < ckotil> they all seem to display once. then nothin shows
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11:50 < pjesi> morning
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13:08 < Radix_> evenin'
13:19 < maxscience> yo
13:21 < Radix_> yo's are fun
13:22 < maxscience> eheh yeah
13:39 < pjesi> :o
13:40 < pjesi> how can I change the html in search and login? the template for search at least contains no html
13:42 < Radix_> Yeah.. sucks hey.. I was playing with that today
13:43 < Radix_> if you want, you can view page source, copy the entire <form> bit of code, then make your own template that has that embedded with it's own style
13:43 < Radix_> You can add your own class statements and set the form to look how you want then.
13:44 < pjesi> I was wondering if that was the case :)
13:44 < Radix_> of course it's hardcoded that way.. which sucks.. but handy if you just need one search box anyway
13:44 < Radix_> Login you can customise pretty easily
13:45 < Radix_> same way though really.. copy the <form> and place it in your page style somewhere and use css classes or the like to customise it
13:45 < Radix_> I do that on my site
13:46 < pjesi> tell me, how do I customize ^L("","","PBtmpl0000000000000092"); &middot; ^AdminToggle; ?
13:47 < Radix_> Oh.. that's easy.. it's a default template
13:47 < Radix_> just make your own
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13:58 < maxscience> that way you don't need to hack conf and passthrus?
13:59 < Radix_> yup.. no mods necessary then
13:59 < Radix_> it'll just work automagically :)
13:59 < maxscience> mmh I'll try thx
14:08 < pjesi> anyone got nice menu template such as mountaintop?
14:10 < Radix_> mountaintop?
14:11 < pjesi> I dont know what such menus are called in general
14:13 < maxscience> Navigation templates
14:15 < Radix_> but what did you mean by mountaintop?
14:24 < Radix_> Oh.. mountaintop corners - http://de.siteof.de/extended-menu-templates.html
14:24 < pjesi> I dont need corners, I just need to be able to style items according to level, if active, parent and such
14:25 < pjesi> with li li and so on
14:25 < Radix_> we mucked around with all sorts of different menus.. and in the end we just used css to style the normal verticalMenu one
14:25 < Radix_> Simple, yet effective
14:26 < pjesi> it is the best
14:26 < pjesi> if you identify each li with class
14:26 < Radix_> we used dtree for a while.. but with several hundred pages it just blows every page out so much
14:26 < pjesi> hehe
14:29 < pjesi> So you used bulleted list?
14:49 < pjesi> bahh
14:50 < pjesi> I not getting how to organize templates, css and images
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16:02 < maxscience> hey xdanger
16:03 < maxscience> got a prob with  your macro :(
16:05 < xdanger> do tell
16:06 < maxscience> I got a page layout under another page layout: Section 1 -> SubSection 1
16:07 < maxscience> The fact is that the URL of SubSection 1 is /SubSection1 and NOT /Section 1/SubSection 1
16:08 < maxscience> the problem is that your macro still displays the value for Section 1. Even though I specified in the tmpl a variable tmpl_if nextToRoot.SubSection 1>
16:09 < xdanger> its a url, so nextToRoot.SubSection1 should work
16:10 < maxscience> yep but it doesn't :(
16:10 < xdanger> spaces are not valid in template variables and urls
16:11 < xdanger> O, it works only with Section1
16:11 < maxscience> I know. I don't have any spaces.. That was an example ;)
16:11 < xdanger> You can't (in that version) to differ with other level of the tree
16:12 < maxscience> :(
16:12 < xdanger> I could write that =D
16:12 < xdanger> buuuut...
16:13 < maxscience> but? :D
16:13 < xdanger> don't have time right now, maybe in the evening or tomorrow
16:13 < maxscience> ok many thanks!! :D
16:16 < maxscience> Radix I don't think that the cgi-bin solution doesn't require conf hacks...
16:17 < maxscience> If you type cgi-bin it's still WebGUI that handles the request... Of course without any passthru...
16:17 < xdanger> so you need a different image for subsections?
16:18 < xdanger> I'm just pondering how to do that on the template, cous it shouldn't interfere with the Section level..
16:18 < maxscience> yes.. Even though this subsection has its own "root-like" url /
16:19 < maxscience> I even tried to do Section1/SubSection but it doesn't work.. Because it's not a valid url, it's just the tree path... But if you enter the right url it doesn't work as expected. It sill displays the img of its ancestor
16:30 < pjesi> this is fucked up, I loged out and now it is impossible to edit the assets that I was working on
16:32 < maxscience> lol
16:32 < maxscience> you have to click into your last version tag
16:32 < pjesi> :P
16:35 < pjesi> it is still locked
16:35 < maxscience> can't be if you clicked the right one
16:35 < pjesi> I see
17:07 < xdanger> MrHairgrease: btw, it's fileImport.pl, not fileUpload.pl that you changed ;)
17:13 <+MrHairgrease> well
17:13 <+MrHairgrease> you are completely right
17:13 <+MrHairgrease> but the importamt thing is
17:13 <+MrHairgrease> it works
17:13 <+MrHairgrease> =)
17:27 < maxscience> hey do you know how to 
17:28 < maxscience> modify the body form width?
17:28 < maxscience> it's seems hardcoded...
17:38 < maxscience> solved :D
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18:11 < pjesi> is it possible to change the default layour template?
18:11 < pjesi> layout
18:30 < maxscience> of course
18:30 < maxscience> look under Import Node -> Layout
18:38 < pjesi> no I mean change what is the default layout (mine)
18:38 < maxscience> you mean page layout?
18:39 < pjesi> yes
18:39 < pjesi> I made a new one
18:39 < maxscience> A template or asset?
18:40 < pjesi> is template not an asset?
18:40 < xdanger> edit the page asset
18:40 < xdanger> under display tab
18:40 < maxscience> Don't know what you mean.. Display -> Page Layout Template?
18:40 < xdanger> theres a select for what template to use
18:40 < pjesi> yes
18:43 < pjesi> When in Asset, New Content -> Page Layout
18:43 < pjesi> then I want the Page Layout Template to default to my template
18:43 < maxscience> Then click the edit button
18:43 < maxscience> then go to the Display tab
18:44 < maxscience> and select your template under Page Layout Template
18:44 < pjesi> for every single new Page Layout that I create?
18:45 < pjesi> there must be some settings what is the default one
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21:04 < maxscience> hey xdanger are ya there?
21:24 < xdanger> yup
21:26 < maxscience> do you know the RandomThread macro?
21:26 < maxscience> I need a LastThread macro... Do you know if it already exists?
21:26 <+MrHairgrease> don't think so
21:26 <+MrHairgrease> maxscience
21:26 < maxscience> :(
21:26 <+MrHairgrease> you are from italy right?
21:26 < maxscience> yep
21:26 <+MrHairgrease> ok
21:26 < maxscience> why you ask? :)
21:27 <+MrHairgrease> can you help me out with a translation
21:27 <+MrHairgrease> is this correct italian?
21:27 < maxscience> sure
21:27 <+MrHairgrease> i cavalli possono pscere sicuro ancora
21:27 <+MrHairgrease> pascere*
21:27 < maxscience> not really
21:27 <+MrHairgrease> crap
21:28 <+MrHairgrease> that's not itailan either =)
21:28 <+MrHairgrease> so i wanna say this
21:28 < maxscience> you're translating from english?
21:28 <+MrHairgrease> The horses can graze safely again
21:28 <+MrHairgrease> well
21:28 <+MrHairgrease> i let babelfish do the work
21:28 <+MrHairgrease> =)
21:28 <+MrHairgrease> my italian not what you'd call good
21:28 <+MrHairgrease> or even close to that =)
21:29 < maxscience> eheh yeah it sounded a babelfish-like translation
21:29 <+MrHairgrease> yeah probably
21:30 <+MrHairgrease> but do you know what it should be?
21:30 < maxscience> Yes thinking of the right sentence. Because there are several alternatives depending on the target you have
21:31 <+MrHairgrease> huh
21:31 <+MrHairgrease> no targets
21:31 <+MrHairgrease> just an obersvation
21:31 <+MrHairgrease> or am I misunderstanding?
21:31 < maxscience> I mean it's for everyday people. A one million dollar ad or what? :D
21:31 <+MrHairgrease> no, it's just for fun
21:32 <+MrHairgrease> i am a member of this student-like club
21:32 < maxscience> k then I cavalli possono di nuovo mangiare indisturbati
21:32 <+MrHairgrease> and the current board calls itself the mafia board
21:32 <+MrHairgrease> that _is_ diffrent
21:32 < maxscience> ppf the mafia-italy link is so cheap
21:32 <+MrHairgrease> coolio
21:32 <+MrHairgrease> sure it is
21:33 <+MrHairgrease> it's ceesy
21:33 < maxscience> lol
21:33 <+MrHairgrease> cheesy
21:33 < maxscience> yeah
21:33 <+MrHairgrease> which makes it fun
21:33 <+MrHairgrease> thanks a bunch
21:33 < maxscience> np mr. Travolta! :D
21:33 <+MrHairgrease> on a sidenote what does pascere mean
21:34 < maxscience> it means "to eat"
21:34 < maxscience> but in a high registry
21:35 < maxscience> academic word you know
21:35 < maxscience> normally used by poets and such
21:35 <+MrHairgrease> heh
21:35 < maxscience> italian is not as plain as english eheh
21:35 <+MrHairgrease> never thought babelfish would be poetic
21:35 <+MrHairgrease> i know
21:36 <+MrHairgrease> have been there on hollidays this year
21:36 < maxscience> babelfish just sucks :D poor random
21:36 < maxscience> where?
21:36 <+MrHairgrease> i needed some anti-muscito ich cream
21:36 <+MrHairgrease> so i fugured out
21:36 < maxscience> lol
21:37 <+MrHairgrease> una crema contra purito di zanzare!
21:37 <+MrHairgrease> i was very proud
21:37 < maxscience> wrong :D
21:37 <+MrHairgrease> unfortnately i couldn't understand the answer
21:37 < maxscience> una crema contro il prurito delle zanzare
21:37 <+MrHairgrease> doesn't matter
21:37 < maxscience> eheh
21:37 <+MrHairgrease> iwas still proud
21:38 <+MrHairgrease> who cares if a word is male or female =)
21:38 <+MrHairgrease> anyway
21:38 < maxscience> :D
21:38 <+MrHairgrease> I went to milano for one day
21:38 <+MrHairgrease> visiting a frioend of my girlfriend
21:38 <+MrHairgrease> and then to lago di como
21:38 <+MrHairgrease> and lago di lugano
21:38 < maxscience> oh to give him a punch? lol
21:38 <+MrHairgrease> but first we went a week to switzerland
21:38 <+MrHairgrease> no
21:38 <+MrHairgrease> a former housemate
21:39 <+MrHairgrease> she's a student too
21:39 <+MrHairgrease> he used to be
21:39 <+MrHairgrease> but he fell in love with an italian girl
21:39 < maxscience> aha
21:39 < maxscience> you're from procolix?
21:39 <+MrHairgrease> yes
21:39 < maxscience> nice asked for a quote from you guys but never got the answer :D
21:40 < maxscience> eheh
21:40 <+MrHairgrease> ok
21:40 < maxscience> do you know if there's a european version of the Weather asset?
21:40 <+MrHairgrease> I don't do aquistion
21:40 <+MrHairgrease> so I don't know what happend to it
21:40 <+MrHairgrease> what adress did you send your email to?
21:41 <+MrHairgrease> no that i know of..
21:41 <+MrHairgrease> The horses can of new eating indisturbati
21:41 < maxscience> brb
21:41 <+MrHairgrease> babelfish is the master =)
21:41 <+MrHairgrease> gotta go
21:41 < xdanger> I was lookin in to where to get internationalized weather data, and found one..
21:41 <+MrHairgrease> I'm gonna impress people with my  cool italian!
21:41 < xdanger> maybe should write a fork of the weather asset
21:41 <+MrHairgrease> sure
21:42 <+MrHairgrease> do that
21:42 <+MrHairgrease> I would've never guessed the weather asset would be so popular =)
21:42 <+MrHairgrease> later guys
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21:50 < ckotil> im about to fork an asset. are there isntructions anywhere?
21:50 < ckotil> had to create a new DataForm.pm
21:50 < ckotil> and forking would mean not having to edit w/ every upgrade
21:55 < maxscience> respectfully, but you're wrong lol
22:06 < maxscience> hey xdanger!
22:07 < maxscience> A weather asset with european support would be awesome
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22:07 < maxscience> hi
22:08 < midellaq> hi!
22:11 < maxscience> anyone successfully running a perl script with the WRE?
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12:41 < pjesi> morging
12:41 < pjesi> dæs
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14:25 < maxscience> yo
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15:26 < maxscience> any news on the internationalized weather asset? :)
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17:17 < ckotil> im missing the web services client. in my add new content list
17:19 < ckotil> wierd. it was only for my user
17:20 < ckotil> i switched to a new user and it appeard
17:22 <+MrHairgrease> assets have privs
17:22 <+MrHairgrease> so maybe one user was allowed to add that asset
17:23 <+MrHairgrease> and the second isn't
17:25 <+MrHairgrease> it's the assetAddPrivilege parameter in the config file
17:38 < ckotil> ok
17:38 < ckotil> wierd tho, bc i dont recall ever messing with that
17:48 <+MrHairgrease> yeah
17:48 <+MrHairgrease> well
17:48 <+MrHairgrease> it's the only thing i can think of
17:49 <+MrHairgrease> it's commented out by default afaik
17:49 < ckotil> ill check
17:52 < ckotil> nah. nothin
17:52 < ckotil> o well, i switched users and it worked
17:54 <+MrHairgrease> weird
17:54 <+MrHairgrease> if you can reproduce this behaviour
17:54 <+MrHairgrease> please put up a bug report
17:57 <+MrHairgrease> oh wait
17:57 <+MrHairgrease> i know what it is
17:57 <+MrHairgrease> the user that doesn't see the asset
17:58 <+MrHairgrease> prolly has a uilevel that is too low
17:58 <+MrHairgrease> the wsclient requires uiLevel 9 (Guru)
17:58 < ckotil> ill check that now.
17:59 < ckotil> ;]
17:59 < ckotil> thanks
18:00 <+MrHairgrease> np
18:22 <+MrHairgrease> ckotil
18:22 <+MrHairgrease> was that the problem?
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18:40 < ckotil> uiLevel
18:40 <+MrHairgrease> yeah
18:40 <+MrHairgrease> did changing it work?
18:40 < ckotil> yes
18:40 <+MrHairgrease> cool
18:41 <+MrHairgrease> are you going to the wuc?
18:41 < ckotil> nah. i wish i were.
18:41 <+MrHairgrease> ok
18:41 < ckotil> boss's laughed out loud when i brought it up
18:41 < ckotil> if it were not for another month or so i could pry swing it
18:42 < ckotil> we're about to launch our new webgui powered website
18:42 <+MrHairgrease> pry swing?
18:42 < ckotil> http://globalnoc.grnoc.iu.edu
18:42 <+MrHairgrease> what's that
18:42 < ckotil> 'probably swing' = probably be able to attend
18:42 <+MrHairgrease> oh ok
18:43 <+MrHairgrease> so you would've had a chance if the site was finsihed already?
18:43 < maxscience> lol it seems a bit like a Mission Impossible thing
18:44 < ckotil> i think so bc I would have been moved on to integrating apps into the system. creating wobjects. and it would have been a good training mission
18:44 <+MrHairgrease> yeah, it would
18:44 < ckotil> maxscience: mission ;-)
18:44  * ckotil sighs
18:44 < ckotil> maybe next year
18:44 < maxscience> Mission, that's what I've sad :D
18:45 < ckotil> i know. thats why i said it
18:45 < ckotil> bc you said it
18:45 <+MrHairgrease> now I'm confused =)
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05:08 <+crythia1> interesting in the upgrade
05:08 <+crythia1> you have the option of using asset vs real urls for images
05:08 <+crythia1> among other things.
05:08 <+crythia1> http://www.plainblack.com/news/news/webgui-7.0.7-stable-released
05:10 <+crythia1> http://www.gwy2.org/fomfiles/cache/52.html
05:43 < hawkaloogie> ooh i like, imho some things shouldn't be controlled by my scripts
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06:42 < Radix-wrk> yeah.. we funded that feature
06:43 < Radix-wrk> because with that you can link an image in using the editor, and it uses the asset url to insert it
06:43 < Radix-wrk> big advantage is if you want to change the image at any time, you upload a new image and voila, all of your pages are then updated too
06:44 < Radix-wrk> without it, the editor uses the /uploads/xxx/x/xx/x/x.jpg links, and it won't get updated ever unless you manually do it for every page that uses that image
06:44 < xdanger> I think that was a bug, but thats just me
06:45 < Radix-wrk> me too
06:45 < xdanger> have you tried the streamthroug feature?
06:45 < Radix-wrk> if you update an image in webgui.. it creates a whole new /uploads/x/x/x/x/ hierarchy for it, and the old image becomes an orphan
06:46 < Radix-wrk> yeah
06:46 < xdanger> I wrote that =P
06:46 < Radix-wrk> but it didn't go far enough as the rich text editor still used the /uploads/x/x/x url's
06:46 < Radix-wrk> cool
06:46 < Radix-wrk> well done then :)
06:46 < xdanger> had my own reasons to do it =)
06:48 < xdanger> It actually outperforms the redirect...
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06:49 < xdanger> but with redirect you can serve the file straight from the frontside proxy, so thats of course faster.. but that's only usin the /upload/xx/xxx/... urls
06:51 < xdanger> but now to sleep =) it's getting 7am here...
06:56 < Radix-wrk> heh.. nite then
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16:11 < pjesi> does ./build.sh install everything into /data or will perl/mysql and such go under /usr?
16:12 <+MrHairgrease> everything goes under /data/wre/prereqs
16:12 < pjesi> ok thanks
16:16 < pjesi> I guess wre-0.7.1-source.tar.gz is WebGUI 7.0.7?
16:17 <+MrHairgrease> I'm not sure
16:17 <+MrHairgrease> maybe it just downloads the latest version
16:17 < pjesi> ok
16:17 <+MrHairgrease> anyway
16:17 <+MrHairgrease> it is possible to upgrade webgui from within the wre
16:17 <+MrHairgrease> i think
16:17 <+MrHairgrease> I just compiled it
16:18 <+MrHairgrease> didn't have yet to check it out
16:18 < pjesi> I cant say that I am confortable to ditch the package system in the os and use WRE apache/mysql/perl
16:19 < pjesi> but lets see
16:19 <+MrHairgrease> why not?
16:19 <+MrHairgrease> for updates?
16:19 < pjesi> for example yes
16:20 < pjesi> and for non-webgui applications
16:21 < pjesi> but it does not include ldap
16:21 <+MrHairgrease> why should it include LDAP?
16:21 <+MrHairgrease> or do you mean the LDAP perl modules
16:21 < pjesi> does it include the perl modules?
16:22 <+MrHairgrease> yes
16:22 < pjesi> I'm not familiar with LDAP
16:22 <+MrHairgrease> it'll fetch them from cpan
16:22 <+MrHairgrease> within its own perl
16:22 <+MrHairgrease> so the system-wide perl is not touched at all
16:22 <+MrHairgrease> which is good of course
16:22 < pjesi> yes it is
16:23 < pjesi> I have other applications that need the same user database, so I guess LDAP is the tool for me
16:23 <+MrHairgrease> i guess so
16:23 <+MrHairgrease> I'm not familiar with ldap though
16:24 < pjesi> you just use webgui auth?
16:24 <+MrHairgrease> yes
16:25 <+MrHairgrease> it's good enough for our customers
16:25 <+MrHairgrease> I once connected webgui to an activedirectory server
16:25 <+MrHairgrease> but that's a looong time ago
16:25 <+MrHairgrease> can't remember how i did it =)
16:25 < pjesi> I have no idea if I should configure some schema for LDAP before I connect
16:26 <+MrHairgrease> me neither
16:30 < pjesi> do you have subscription to the support material
16:31 <+MrHairgrease> no
16:31 <+MrHairgrease> I don't need it =)
16:31  * MrHairgrease pats himself on the back =)
16:32 < pjesi> hehe
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17:53 <+MrHairgrease> later guys
17:54 <+MrHairgrease> the sun is shining
17:54 <+MrHairgrease> and a pint of Guinness is waiting =)
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17:58 < maxscience> hi all
17:58 < maxscience> anyone usin WRE?
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18:24 < pjesi> Writing Makefile for Net::LDAP
18:24 < pjesi> make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
18:24 < pjesi> WRE ERROR: Net::LDAP make did not complete successfully.
18:24 <+crythias> what OS?
18:24 < pjesi> gentoo
18:26 <+crythias> get the package
18:26 < pjesi> normally?
18:26 <+crythias> and why not?
18:26 < pjesi> dont know, will I have to run build.sh all over?
18:27 <+crythias> oh. wre.
18:27 <+crythias> there's probably something a bit higher up in the log that is indicative of the problem.
18:27 < pjesi> Searching krb5-config command... not found! at Makefile.PL line 94.
18:27 < pjesi> perhaps
18:29 <+crythias> aptitude install krb5-config
18:30 <+crythias> or whatever the gentoo package install method would be
18:31 <+crythias> maybe mit-krb5? http://packages.gentoo.org/search/?sstring=krb5
18:41 < pjesi> ok
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23:18 < Jiggie> supp people
23:18 < Jiggie> finnaly got webgui 7 to work,
23:19 < Jiggie> its not so hard after all. only a few weeks, trying to get it to work
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14:36 < pjesi> :P
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20:28 < pjesi> hi
20:28 < pjesi> one quick question, the event template only shows fraction of the data that is instered when adding a new event, is this normal?
20:46 < pjesi> mainly, it does not show location
20:46 < pjesi> I did test <tmpl_var location>
20:47 < pjesi> but no luck
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15:04 < sanyock> Hi PPL!
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17:05 < maxscience> hey
17:06 < maxscience> anyone willing to help to convert my 10 lines php script to a webgui macro? :)
17:08 <+crythias> hey
17:09 <+crythias> I have to get ready for Church, but afterward, perhaps.
17:09 < maxscience> ok thx
17:09 <+crythias> although you probably don't *have* to convert it.
17:09 < maxscience> yeah I know I could use PHPMacro
17:09 < maxscience> but a native perl version would be better :D
17:09 <+crythias> or mod_php...
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18:36 < maxscience> someone's there?
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22:33 < cap10morgan> the WRE basically refuses to start for me, and it's not logging anything to webgui.log
22:34 < cap10morgan> i'm not getting any helpful errors anywhere... this in centos 4 using the wre 0.7.1 for RHEL4 systems
22:34 < cap10morgan> where should i be looking for debugging output?
23:11 < xdanger> wre doesn't log to webgui.log
23:11 < xdanger> /data/wre/prereqs/var
23:20 < cap10morgan> there is no /data/wre/prereqs/var
23:21 < cap10morgan> no httpd processes are running...
23:39 < cap10morgan> the user the setup script created is not being allowed to access MySQL, it seems
23:43 < cap10morgan> oh, i think it didn't like my chosen root password. it had an ampersand in it that didn't get protected from the shell at one step
23:43 < cap10morgan> i'll file a bug
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00:08 < cap10morgan> hmm, still not working
00:08 < cap10morgan> spectre won't start
00:41 < cap10morgan> it seems the RHEL4 WRE is missing POE::Component::Client::HTTP
01:48 < Radix_> yeah, you'll need to cpan that for wre 0.7.1
01:48 < Radix_> unfortunately they haven't released wre 0.7.2 yet that fixes that issue
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07:10 < Radix-wrk> hey crythia1 
07:12 <+crythia1> hi
07:15 < Radix-wrk> How'd your house-move go?
07:16 < Radix-wrk> Sorted or still in progress?
07:16 <+crythia1> in progress
07:16 < Radix-wrk> fun stuff
07:16 < Radix-wrk> ;)
07:19 <+crythia1> just got back from Houston, though.
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02:12 < hawkaloogie> is a wobject's view() or www_view() called if webgui is pulling a cached version?
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21:56 < ckotil> Has anyone dealt with DNS and webgui before?
21:56 < ckotil> I want to point domain's such as http://abilene.iu.edu to http://globalnoc.grnoc.iu.edu/abilene/index.html
21:57 < ckotil> make that... http://www.abilene.iu.edu/ i want this to go to   http://globalnoc.grnoc.iu.edu/abilene/index.html but still retain the domain http://www.abilene.iu.edu/
22:31 < ckotil> eww i just found a nasty bug
22:32 < ckotil> i no longe see users or groups
22:32 < ckotil> while i was editing groups
22:32 < ckotil> bummer
22:32 < ckotil> good thing i just made a backup
22:38 < ckotil> hrm could have been a caching thing :/
22:38 < ckotil> either way i overwrote the db with a backup
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23:43 < xdanger> ckotil: mod_rewrite is your friend...
23:44 < ckotil> ok.
23:44 < ckotil> i dunno anything about it
23:44 < ckotil> but im guessing thats gonna rewrite all the urls to go to the proper place?
23:45 < ckotil> well i put in a forum post to the dev's . JT will write me something good.
23:45 < ckotil> gotta go
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21:18 <+crythia1> Be a Rockstar!
21:18 <+crythia1> https://www.plainblack.com/services/support/rockstar-support
21:19 <+crythia1> I'm just saying... um. irk.
21:36 < ckotil> DAAMNNN 60 g's
21:36 < ckotil> brb gotta reboot
21:36 <+crythia1> oh.. cay.
21:37 < ckotil> my imac is screwing with me....
21:37 < ckotil> it hasnt been restarted in ages
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22:19 < ckotil> # Proxy to the abliene wg root 
22:19 < ckotil> RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} www.abliene.iu.edu
22:19 < ckotil> RewriteRule ^/$ http://globalnoc.grnoc.iu.edu/abilene [P] 
22:20 < ckotil> any idea what the [P] is?
22:25 < xdanger> proxy
22:30 < ckotil> ah
22:30 < ckotil> does it have to be there?
22:45 < xdanger> if you don't want to do a redirect
22:52 < ckotil> k well i want http://abtest.grnoc.iu.edu to go to http://globalnoc.grnoc.iu.edu/abilene/index.html
22:52 < ckotil> im messing with httpd.conf now
22:52 < ckotil> i entered it what JT had me enter, and its not working :/
22:52 < ckotil> im hopefully gonna pass this on to the sysadmin and he can figure it out
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03:35 < Radix-wrk> mornin'
04:33 <+crythias> howdy
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22:43 < camidin> hello. somebody can answer me a questions of webgui?
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02:04 < isaacfinnegan> hello
02:04 < isaacfinnegan> I've got a quick question for anyone that cares to hear it
02:04 < isaacfinnegan> when I do $session->http->setRedirect('someurl')
02:05 < isaacfinnegan> inside a macro
02:05 < isaacfinnegan> webgui still sends all the page content.
02:05 < isaacfinnegan> so the browser flashes the pages content, then redirects
02:05 < isaacfinnegan> for mozilla browsers anywyas
02:05 < isaacfinnegan> which is interesting.
02:05 < isaacfinnegan> is there a way to tell webgui, then I'm going to redirect and stop trying to render the page?
02:11 < isaacfinnegan> oh well
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