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02:41 < Radix_> not 2 o clock here tho :) was just after midnight when i said that for me :)
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16:27 < Jiggie> morning
16:27 < Jiggie> is anyone here
16:27 < ckotil> good morning
16:38 < Jiggie> morning
16:38 < Jiggie> brb
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17:21 < Radix_> yeah.. i am
17:21 < Radix_> but u not :(
19:32 < ckotil> The template design process is going smooth, even tho im getting wierd ass erors about stockdata and getUIlevel
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23:19 < sgsax> anybody here?
23:19 < sgsax> I'm having problems installing/configuring 7.0.3
23:32 < snapcoun1> are you using WRE?
23:35 < sgsax> no, installing from source
23:36 < sgsax> 99% sure my problem is with perl, but I'm not familiar enough with it to debug the actual problem
23:47 < snapcoun1> ok
23:48 < snapcoun1> what is your problem? Error messages?
23:49 < sgsax> I've been trying the install on two different systems, one gentoo, the other opensuse 10.1
23:50 < snapcoun1> ok
23:50 < sgsax> running testEnvironment.pl, both get as far as installing Data::Structure::Util and fail there
23:52 < sgsax> here's some of the errors/warnings from the suse machine
23:53 < sgsax> Warning: this distribution contains XS files, but Module::Build is not configured with C_support at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/Module/Build/Base.pm line 1128.
23:53 < sgsax> Creating new 'Build' script for 'Data-Structure-Util' version '0.12'
23:53 < sgsax> Unknown 'build_class', defaulting to 'Module::Build'
23:53 < sgsax> /usr/bin/perl Build --makefile_env_macros 1
23:53 < sgsax> lib/Data/Structure/Util.pm -> blib/lib/Data/Structure/Util.pm
23:53 < sgsax> lib/Data/Structure/Util.xs -> lib/Data/Structure/Util.c
23:53 < sgsax> Module::Build is not configured with C_support at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/Module/Build/Base.pm line 3734.
23:53 < sgsax> make: *** [all] Error 2
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00:00 < snapcoun1> yikes
00:00 < snapcoun1> that's nasty
00:01 < sgsax> this is a clean install of perl, using almost all "official" suse packages
00:02 < sgsax> I did install a couple of the modules using cpan
00:02 < snapcoun1> I would google the error and look at the docs for Module::Build and try to run perl Makefile.PL with the args necessary to enable C_support
00:02 < snapcoun1> you need to build that module with that option enabled
00:03 < snapcoun1> it's probably a switch like --enable-c-support or something
00:03 < snapcoun1> i.e., perl Makefile.PL --with-c-support=/path/to/gcc
00:03 < snapcoun1> something like that I would guess
00:03 < snapcoun1> the docs would tell you and google can be very helpful with stuff like this
00:04 < snapcoun1> then of course you run make, make install
00:04 < sgsax> problem is I don't know perl very well at all, so a lot of what's out there doesn't register
00:04 < snapcoun1> hmm
00:04 < sgsax> can you tell me where the perl source files are typically stored?
00:05 < sgsax> nm, think I found it
00:05 < snapcoun1> you may not have them if this perl came with your distro
00:05 < snapcoun1> you might have to compile perl yourself and enable c support
00:06 < snapcoun1> you may have better luck building the WRE from source
00:06 < sgsax> ugh
00:06 < snapcoun1> it's all automated
00:06 < snapcoun1> (the build process)
00:06 < snapcoun1> and it comes with it's own perl
00:06 < snapcoun1> that works with WebGUI
00:07 < snapcoun1> basically you type
00:07 < snapcoun1> >./build.sh
00:07 < snapcoun1> and it runs for 4 hours
00:07 < snapcoun1> and you're done
00:07 < snapcoun1> =)
00:07 < sgsax> heh, sounds like fun
00:07 < sgsax> I never even considered using the WRE
00:08 < sgsax> figured I could hack the source install myself
00:08 < snapcoun1> it's not easy
00:08 < snapcoun1> WebGUI has many many deps
00:08 < sgsax> apparently
00:08 < snapcoun1> the whole reason we made the WRE, to make it easier for sysadmins
00:09 < sgsax> I'll give it a try, thanks
00:09 < snapcoun1> sure... if you have problems with WRE, there should be plenty of people around who can help with that =)
00:09 < snapcoun1> it's what most people use to run wG
00:11 < xdanger> snapcoun1: btw, have you run in to perlbal?
00:12 < snapcoun1> no, what is that?
00:12 < xdanger> http://www.danga.com/perlbal/
00:12 < xdanger> just doing some research, and came upon that..
00:13 < snapcoun1> heh
00:13 < snapcoun1> does it sit in front of your web servers or replace them?
00:13 < xdanger> one of the things that runs livejournal.com
00:13 < xdanger> replace the frontsite proxy..
00:13 < snapcoun1> I see... so static content
00:13 < xdanger> it does much more than mod_proxy
00:14 < xdanger> it also has internal redirects..
00:14 < xdanger> I was thinking about testing that with webgui at some point...
00:14 < snapcoun1> interesting
00:15 < snapcoun1> Len does a lot of work with high traffic sites, I wonder if he's tried this
00:15 < xdanger> http://www.danga.com/words/2004_pdx_pm_perlbal/perlbal.pdf
00:15 < xdanger> theres an old paper on that..
00:15 < xdanger> only problem is that it's currently linux only..
00:16 < snapcoun1> you run BSD?
00:16 < xdanger> no, not yet anyway =)
00:16 < snapcoun1> I see
00:16 < xdanger> we're thinking about moving to openbsd on our main servers
00:16 < xdanger> since linux security sucks..
00:17 < xdanger> too many local root exploits for out liking...
00:17 < xdanger> since we run general hosting..
00:17 < snapcoun1> do you offer shells?
00:17 < xdanger> yep =/
00:17 < snapcoun1> yikes!
00:17 < snapcoun1> that must be fun to administer
00:17 < snapcoun1> I would be so paranoid
00:17 < xdanger> we are =D
00:19 < xdanger> I'm desingin a blog/picgallery/webpage thingy, and just have to steal alot of webguis ideas =P
00:19 < jmorgan> sgsax: have you installed ExtUtils::ParseXs? that should fix the error your seeing
00:22 < jmorgan> i had the same "Module::Build is not configured with C_support" error & ExtUtils::ParseXs fixed it
00:23 < snapcoun1> jmorgan: cool, I'll have to take note of that. Thanks for the tip
00:26 < jmorgan> yup, Google's your friend ;_
00:26 < jmorgan> s/;_/;-)
00:33 < jmorgan> snapcoun1: I'm going to be setting up a few Debian boxes tonight so If you need someone to test your latest WRE, I'm able
00:33 < snapcoun1> go for it
00:34 < snapcoun1> I'm using the latest debian build on one of my dev servers and it's ok
00:34 < snapcoun1> but the more the better
00:34 < jmorgan> how can I get it?
00:34 < snapcoun1> it's on sourceforge
00:34 < snapcoun1> www.sf.net/projects/pbwebgui
00:35 < snapcoun1> ->files
00:37 * jmorgan reads "PBWG: Meet Roy Johnson" while downloading
00:42 < snapcoun1> heh
00:44 < sgsax> jmorgan: thanks for the tip, but that module is already installed
00:44 < sgsax> ExtUtils::ParseXS is up to date (2.15)
00:46 < sgsax> so will WRE overwrite any of my other system configuration and apps, or does it just create it's own little environment for webgui to run out of?
00:47 < snapcoun1> it's all self contained
00:48 < snapcoun1> when you're done you can actually move you're entire setup to another server by copying one folder
00:48 < sgsax> ah, good, didn't want it fubaring my production server when I got to that point
00:48 < snapcoun1> uhh
00:49 < snapcoun1> you're starting off on a dev server right?
00:49 < sgsax> yep
00:49 < snapcoun1> kk
00:49 < snapcoun1> good =)
00:49 < sgsax> I'm not that much of a n00b :)
00:49 < sgsax> just not good with perl
00:50 < jmorgan> is the latest wre-debian include the POE::Component::Client::HTTP module?
00:50 < jmorgan> on sf
00:51 < snapcoun1> yes
00:52 < snapcoun1> none of the others do. this one does because I compiled it after that change was made to wG
00:52 < snapcoun1> sgsax: heh... you'd be surprised what people do =)
00:52 < snapcoun1> so I play it safe and drop friendly hints =)
00:53 < jmorgan> ok, great!
00:55 < snapcoun1> man... V for Vendetta was a good movie
00:56 < sgsax> snapcoun1: no problem, I appreciate advise :0
00:56 < sgsax> and that was a good flick
00:57 < snapcoun1> I bought it today... now I'm ripping it so I don't have to carry the stupid disc around
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02:24 < Radix_> is the new debian wre for stable or testing debian?
02:25 < snapcoun1> I compiled it on testing
02:25 < snapcoun1> but it should work on either I'd imagine
02:31 < Radix_> cool
02:32 < Radix_> will it be actively maintained in future tho? or am i better with going rhel4?
02:51 < snapcoun1> it will be maintained
02:55 < Radix_> great news :)
03:02 < jmorgan> has anypne tested large number of wre websitse?
03:03 < jmorgan> i'm wondering how many could fit a dual-proc + lots of ramm box
03:27 < snapcoun1> yes
03:29 < snapcoun1> we have some boxes easily running 300+ sites
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04:42 < snapcoun1> greetings crythias
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05:03 <+crythia1> hello
05:03 < snapcoun1> how goes it?
05:05 < snapcoun1> hmm
05:05 < snapcoun1> let's see who's paying attention
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05:07 <@snapcount> weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
05:07 <@snapcount> you're all hired
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05:08 < Radix-wrk> aww
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05:09 <@snapcount> unf
05:09 <+crythia1> oops
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05:09 < snapcount> I was kicking myself
05:09 < snapcount> lol
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05:09 <+crythia1> grr
05:10 < Radix-wrk> currently doing a big webgui upgrade.. busy busy!
05:10 * crythia1 loves making rfe's that get 1e-6 difficulty.
05:10 < snapcount> we like that too
05:11 <+crythia1> ok.. :P
05:11 < snapcount> is that to the neg 6 or 6
05:12 <+crythia1> neg 6
05:12 < snapcount> yeah we like those
05:12 <+crythia1> it wasn't a bad request.
05:12 < snapcount> did you submit the wiki rfe?
05:12 <+crythia1> yeah
05:12 <+crythia1> I think.
05:13 <+crythia1> well, maybe JT did as a result of our discuss
05:13 < snapcount> I dumped all of my Karma into that last night 1300+
05:13 < snapcount> it has a factor of 80 so it didn't move but a few spots
05:13 <+crythia1> I still have nearly 3800karma
05:13 <+crythia1> I dump like 1000 karma at a shot
05:13 < snapcount> you deserve all of it too
05:14 <+crythia1> who, me? Someone decides that all my posts get thumbs down. :)
05:14 <+crythia1> then again, maybe I'm also getting karma transfered to me, as well.
05:14 < Radix-wrk> do my rfe.. it's easy (and I've dumped all my points in that too)
05:15 < snapcount> I think my interview has gotten thumbs down so don't feel bad lol
05:15 <+crythia1> which?
05:15 < snapcount> the pbwg interview
05:15 < snapcount> I guess I'm not good with the press
05:15 < snapcount> hehe
05:15 <+crythia1> no, I meant for radix, but that's good to know, too
05:16 < Radix-wrk> It's now #1 :)
05:16 < Radix-wrk> just dumped more points in it again
05:16 <+crythia1> image management?
05:16 < Radix-wrk> yah :)
05:16 <+crythia1> how can it work?
05:16 <+crythia1> friendly urls?
05:17 <+crythia1> I know how it *can* work, but it's not nice.
05:17 <+crythia1> friendly urls for images.
05:18 < Radix-wrk> just need editor to use the proper url - and not the direct url
05:18 <+crythia1> imagine a mod_rewrite.conf that is included be reference into httpd.conf/VirtualHost
05:18 <+crythia1> be: by
05:19 <+crythia1> imagine that the rewrite rules get appended with/modified by the change of new images.
05:20 <+crythia1> imagine that I make sense and someone believes what I say can work :)
05:21 <+crythia1> I have another issue with the rich editor. I would love it if I could use link and not have to worry about the # beling prepended with the current page.
05:23 <+crythia1> um. ok, but why do I have my responses removed from rfe?
05:23 <+crythia1> sigh
05:23 <+crythia1> http://www.plainblack.com/rfe/request-for-enhancement/dynamic-slide-show#GBa6H_CxaxxGD-VcVYU2CA
05:24 <+crythia1> this is an HTML code issue. It isn't a WebGUI issue.
05:24 <+crythia1> I provided a code snippet that would provide the answer and it got removed.
05:26 < snapcount> what?
05:27 < snapcount> I don't understand that... was it like a default template rfe?
05:30 <+crythia1> Tiffany wants some sort of mouse-over/click/change big image thing
05:30 <+crythia1> but it's silly. it's just web code.
05:31 <+crythia1> How easy?
05:32 < Radix-wrk> erk
05:32 <+crythia1> You put your "big" image and give it a name=. then you put your "thumbnail" images on the side. Onclick document.img.name.src="bigimageforthethumbnail.jpg"
05:32 < Radix-wrk> getting errors in the big webgui upgrade :(
05:32 < Radix-wrk> 6.8.10 - 7.0.3
05:32 < Radix-wrk> fdsweb 6.8.10-6.99.0
05:32 < Radix-wrk> Backing up fdsweb (6.8.10)...OK
05:32 < Radix-wrk> Changing dbCacheTimeout to groupCacheTimeout.
05:32 < Radix-wrk> Adding workflow.
05:32 < Radix-wrk> Making database changes.
05:32 < Radix-wrk> DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Table 'WorkflowSchedule' already exists at ../../lib/WebGUI/SQL/ResultSet.pm line 135.
05:33 <+crythia1> oops
05:33 <+crythia1> you sure you didn't already upgrade and fail?
05:33 < snapcount> select * from webguiVersions;
05:33 < Radix-wrk> nup.. first time for this database
05:33 < snapcount> webguiVersion
05:33 <+crythia1> Workflow wouldn't exist in 6.8.10
05:33 < Radix-wrk> unless.. hmm.. remnants from a previous test..
05:34 <+crythia1> likely.
05:34 <+crythia1> drop the table
05:34 <+crythia1> or the field.
05:34 <+crythia1> yeah. field
05:34 < Radix-wrk> didn't think to do that.. bugger
05:34 <+crythia1> backup exists in /tmp/backups by default
05:34 <+crythia1> whose default? not mine. I didn't.
05:35 < Radix-wrk> I'll start again from scratch - lots depend on this
05:42 * Radix-wrk waits patiently for the backup /data directory to extract.
05:42 * Radix-wrk twiddles his thumbs.
05:51 < Radix-wrk> yay.. working smoothly this time round
05:51 < snapcount> woot!
05:52 < Radix-wrk> so far anyway.. it's still upgrading :)
05:56 < Radix-wrk> yay.. finished upgrading everything to 7.0.3. Now to move it to our new WRE setup.
05:56 < snapcount> sweet
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06:26 < Radix-wrk> 2006/08/02 11:27:23 - FATAL - webgui.formsys.com.conf - WebGUI::Session::ErrorHandler::fatal[190] - Couldn't connect to database.
06:26 < Radix-wrk> 2006/08/02 11:27:23 - FATAL - webgui.formsys.com.conf - WebGUI::Session::Setting::new[118] - Couldn't connect to database.
06:26 < Radix-wrk> any idea what would cause this?
06:28 < Radix-wrk> whatever has happened.. it's locked the database totally.. in a loop somehow - can't even stop them
06:30 < snapcount> hmm
06:30 < snapcount> this is WRE?
06:30 < Radix-wrk> yeah
06:31 < snapcount> are you sure that mysql is running?
06:31 < Radix-wrk> I had WRE all setup.. ready for transplant
06:31 < snapcount> ps aux | grep mysqld
06:32 < Radix-wrk> hmm.. it was.. but now it's not.. wierd
06:32 < snapcount> check /etc for a my.cnf file
06:33 < Radix-wrk> nah.. I've been through that
06:33 < snapcount> well, if you're running redhat or one of it's variants, the updates are known to recreate that file
06:33 < Radix-wrk> We've come from a debian webgui setup - and not only going to 7.0.3 with it, but also moving it all over to wre
06:34 < Radix-wrk> I set this WRE with a test database previously, and essentially just doing a switch over with the database and uploads/extras dir
06:34 < snapcount> then try running mysql manually and see what the errors are
06:34 < Radix-wrk> where do the mysql errors get put?
06:35 < snapcount> ping
06:35 < snapcount> wierd
06:36 < Radix-wrk> 060802 11:33:38 mysqld started
06:36 < Radix-wrk> 060802 11:33:39 InnoDB: Operating system error number 13 in a file operation.
06:36 < Radix-wrk> InnoDB: The error means mysqld does not have the access rights to
06:36 < Radix-wrk> InnoDB: the directory.
06:36 < Radix-wrk> InnoDB: File name ./ibdata1
06:36 < Radix-wrk> InnoDB: File operation call: 'open'.
06:36 < Radix-wrk> InnoDB: Cannot continue operation.
06:36 < Radix-wrk> 060802 11:33:39 mysqld ended
06:36 < snapcount> chown -R mysql /data/wre/prereqs/mysql
06:36 < Radix-wrk> Ahh.. I fcked it up when I changed ownership
06:36 < Radix-wrk> I did it on /data and not just the extras/uploads
06:37 < snapcount> also, unless you're using innodb for something other than wg, I would disable it
06:37 < Radix-wrk> any other permissions I should set
06:37 < snapcount> make sure nobody owns the uploads folder and everything under it
06:37 < snapcount> for your sites
06:37 < Radix-wrk> in the prereqs folder tho.. I've set everything to nobody:nobody
06:38 < Radix-wrk> should perl/utils/memcached/imagemagick belong to anyone specifically?
06:38 < snapcount> no
06:38 < Radix-wrk> cool
06:39 < snapcount> mysql has to be owned by a user called mysql though
06:39 < Radix-wrk> cool.. fixed that then hopefully :)
06:39 < snapcount> you can add --skip-innodb to /data/wre/prereqs/mysql/my.cnf if you want to turn innodb off
06:40 < snapcount> under the mysqld section
06:40 < snapcount> sorry
06:40 < snapcount> just skip-innodb
06:40 < Radix-wrk> yeah.. cool
06:40 < snapcount> no -- in front
06:40 < Radix-wrk> just in the mysqld section?
06:40 < snapcount> yep
06:41 < snapcount> wre will be like that by default next release
06:41 < Radix-wrk> success! :)
06:41 < Radix-wrk> now to do some tweaks to fix forms, etc
06:42 < snapcount> cool beans
06:43 < Radix-wrk> can finally delete two years worth of trash! :)
06:44 < snapcount> lol
06:47 < snapcount> bed time for me... good luck finishing up =)
06:47 < Radix-wrk> cheers for your help :)
06:47 < snapcount> np
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07:31 < Radix-wrk> anyone know how the wre backup script works?
07:31 < Radix-wrk> it just seems to produce errors for me :(
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09:01 < Radix-wrk> hey snapcoun1 :)
09:01 < Radix-wrk> weren't you off to bed a couple of hours ago?
09:25 < Radix-wrk> he's sleep-irc'ing obviously
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16:16 < ckotil> im having issues with veritcal menu navigation
16:16 < ckotil> http://newt.grnoc.iu.edu/webgui/
16:16 < ckotil> hover over the links on the left_nav
16:17 < ckotil> you can be right on top of the link and not be able to click anything
16:17 < ckotil> any ideas?
16:18 < ckotil> also. i wish there were a way to get 'cool menu' to evenly space the links, and seperate the links with a / , or | or something.
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17:40 < Jiggie> ok karnales
17:40 < Jiggie> anyone here
17:40 < ckotil> yeah
17:40 < Jiggie> are u good with webgui crap
17:41 < Jiggie> where does the database gets stored
17:41 < ckotil> not really
17:41 < ckotil> i dont use the wre
17:41 < ckotil> so for me its in mysql
17:41 < Jiggie> where then inmysql
17:41 < Jiggie> whats the path tot the folder
17:42 < ckotil> what are you looking for?
17:42 < Jiggie> well i have webgui 6.2.11
17:42 < Jiggie> finally got perl preload and test environment to pass
17:42 < Jiggie> now i want to upgrade to 7
17:43 < ckotil> do you have a site?
17:43 < Jiggie> so i took the database that is on our webgui box and copied to WebGUI folder in this new box
17:43 < Jiggie> i still dont have the site up, but crythias said it wasnt necesary to have it up to upgrade
17:44 < ckotil> ok then you need to get wG7 source and follow the upgrade instructions. there is a certain path you must take. upgrade to 6.8 then 6.9 then or something like that
17:44 < Jiggie> yeah i get that
17:44 < ckotil> k
17:45 < ckotil> so you have a .sql file of your database?
17:45 < Jiggie> yes
17:45 < Jiggie> i want to know where should i go to make webgui use that database
17:45 < ckotil> i create .sql backups of my dataabse via mysqldump. then to put the backup back into mysel you do the following
17:46 < Jiggie> what does this do....it does not want to work for me mysql -uwebgui -ppassword WebGUI < docs/create.sql
17:46 < ckotil> login to mysql drop database webgui; then create database webgui
17:46 < ckotil> then do that ^
17:46 < ckotil> create.sql creates the db for the first time
17:46 < ckotil> you wont need to do that
17:47 < ckotil> but instead replace docs/create.sql with your backup.sql
17:47 < ckotil> and you will hae your old database on mysql
17:47 < Jiggie> wait a minute
17:47 < Jiggie> so just go into my sql and see what database its using
17:48 < Jiggie> and drop it
17:48 < ckotil> ou must drop it before bringing up an old one
17:48 < Jiggie> then i can just rename the old with the current db name and use it again right....
17:48 < Jiggie> not vey good with sql
17:48 < ckotil> i see that ;]
17:48 < Jiggie> would you walk me tru
17:49 < ckotil> i dont really have time
17:49 < ckotil> sorry.
17:49 < Jiggie> ok
17:52 < Jiggie> thanks anyways
17:54 < ckotil> can you jsut do a fresh install?
17:54 < ckotil> then export the old site into it?
17:59 < Jiggie> fresh install, i can
17:59 < Jiggie> but i tought i had to upgrade my database first in order for it tow ork with 7
17:59 < ckotil> ya i think you do
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18:57 < Jiggie> crythias
18:57 < Jiggie> do you have some time
18:57 <+crythias> briefly
18:58 < Jiggie> ok
18:58 < Jiggie> here it is
18:58 < Jiggie> you had given me instructions on upgrading
18:59 < Jiggie> i ran preload and test env and they both run without a problem
18:59 < Jiggie> no i extracted a new version to continue wiotht eh upgrade
18:59 < Jiggie> then i have to run upgrade.pl
18:59 < Jiggie> but its not working
19:00 <+crythias> what version
19:00 < Jiggie> http://www.plainblack.com/etcetera/is-there-a-wre-for-6.2.11
19:00 <+crythias> yes. you started at 6.2.11, right?
19:00 <+crythias> then you put 6.6.5
19:00 <+crythias> then upgrade
19:10 < ckotil> http://borgman.enquirer.com/weekly/daily_html/2006/08/080206borgman.html
19:11 <+crythias> Blame Bush!
19:11 <+crythias> :)
19:11 <+crythias> It's obvious that he knew the jetstream would have been modified, and did nothing to stop it
19:27 < ckotil> heh
20:16 < Jiggie> back
20:16 < Jiggie> how is everyone doing
20:51 < ckotil> better
20:54 < ckotil> someone posted a fix to my navigation + vertical menu problem
20:55 < ckotil> and the errors ive been getting are due to the fact that im sitll running an old mod_perl while most of the perl m,odules are newer
20:56 < Jiggie> i c
21:21 < sgsax> is there an easy way to find how how far through the wre you are?
21:22 < sgsax> I know it's supposed to take a long time, I was jsut hoping for some kind of status indicator
21:23 < jmorgan> I'm not sure what you mean. wre is untar & go for set up
21:25 < jmorgan> http://www.plainblack.com/wre/installing
21:25 < Jiggie> jmorgan
21:25 < Jiggie> sup
21:25 < Jiggie> 1 question
21:26 < Jiggie> after preload and testwnvironment have run successfully
21:26 < Jiggie> how do i install webgui
21:26 < Jiggie> ther eis no wre
21:26 < Jiggie> and apache just points to the default apache page
21:27 < jmorgan> Jiggie: is this a source install, a wre install?
21:28 < Jiggie> souce
21:28 < Jiggie> 6.2.11
21:28 < Jiggie> http://www.plainblack.com/etcetera/is-there-a-wre-for-6.2.11
21:28 < Jiggie> see that
21:29 < Jiggie> so u can catch up fast
21:29 < Jiggie> i know i'm just missing bs stuff
21:29 < Jiggie> after this a webgui for dummies. i'll write
21:29 < jmorgan> are you following this.. http://www.plainblack.com/installing_webgui?
21:29 < Jiggie> nope
21:29 < Jiggie> as 6.2.111 doe snot have spectre
21:30 < Jiggie> using the one that came with it
21:30 < Jiggie> inside the docs folder
21:33 < jmorgan> hmm, I'm not really going to be much help doing an upgrade as i've not walked through the process your describing above.
21:34 < jmorgan> how bad do you need the 6.2.11 site?
21:34 < Jiggie> its our intranet
21:34 < Jiggie> all the info is there
21:34 < Jiggie> i already backed up the database
21:34 < Jiggie> but i cant have the site out
21:34 < Jiggie> company depends on it
21:35 < Jiggie> so help me with the install
21:35 < Jiggie> lets not worry about update
21:35 < Jiggie> i still dont see a site
21:35 < jmorgan> you might try the database dump from 6.2.11 then import into 7.0.3
21:35 < Jiggie> i'll do thata fter i get this running
21:35 < Jiggie> its a serious of steps to do that
21:35 < Jiggie> plust he upgrade.pl is giving me errors
21:35 < Jiggie> gonna see whay
21:35 < Jiggie> why
21:36 < snapcoun1> to upgrade you have to go from 6.2.11 -> 6.6.5 -> 6.8.10 -> latest
21:36 < Jiggie> yeah
21:36 < Jiggie> will do that as soon as i get this running
21:36 < Jiggie> anyways
21:36 < Jiggie> preload.pl and test environment.pl
21:36 < Jiggie> run without errors
21:36 < Jiggie> now what?
21:36 < Jiggie> Starting WebGUI 6.2.11
21:36 < Jiggie> Loading WebGUI.conf
21:36 < Jiggie> WebGUI Started!
21:36 < Jiggie> Works, then downloaded the 6.6.5 and extracted over WebGUI folder
21:36 < Jiggie> ran both perl testEnvironmentest.pl and perl preload.perl
21:36 < Jiggie> Starting WebGUI 6.6.5
21:36 < Jiggie> Loading WebGUI.conf
21:36 < Jiggie> WebGUI Started!
21:38 < Jiggie> can we start with the WebGUI.conf
21:39 < jmorgan> so webgui started but you can't see the site... sounds like an apache config issue
21:39 < Jiggie> i guess
21:39 < Jiggie> Getting site configs...
21:39 < Jiggie> Processing WebGUI.conf.
21:39 < Jiggie> DBI connect('Intranet1','oracle',...) failed: Access denied for user 'oracle'@'localhost' to database 'Intranet1' at upgrade.pl line 164
21:39 < Jiggie> Can't call method "prepare" on an undefined value at ../lib/WebGUI/SQL.pm line 446.
21:39 < jmorgan> you might also check any log files for strange things
21:40 < Jiggie> i know i'm a pain in the ass and you guys dont get paid for this
21:40 < Jiggie> but can you walk me tru things
21:40 < Jiggie> to see what am i missing
21:40 < Jiggie> i dont remember addind a site yet
21:40 < Jiggie> as the instructions do not have it
21:42 < jmorgan> i suggest going back through the install document step by step & double check your settings
21:43 < Jiggie> the install does not have much for 6.2.11
21:43 < Jiggie> thats the problem
21:44 < Jiggie> when it gets updated "webgui" people dont have a page for the old installs
21:45 < Jiggie> i know its some simple shit
21:45 < Jiggie> cant ping point it
21:50 < jmorgan> you working in a test environment right?
21:51 < jmorgan> if yes, then I'd suggest untarring 6.6.5, run the upgrade script, untar 6.8.10, run the upgrade script, etc
21:51 < jmorgan> i'd guess that the upgrade script modifies what's in the database more then what its in /data/WebGUI
21:53 < jmorgan> read through /data/WebGUI/docs/ folder especially the gotchas file
22:02 < Jiggie> yeah
22:02 < Jiggie> doing that now
22:08 < Jiggie> upgrading the database now
22:08 < Jiggie> i was missing something from mysql
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22:25 < ckotil> in a naavigation asset, is there any way to block out the root level ancestors?
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22:36 <+crythias> hello
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22:54 < Jiggie> sup
22:54 < Jiggie> crythias
22:54 < Jiggie> i got the databse to update.....to 6.6 something will be doing the other s now
22:54 < Jiggie> looking good
23:31 < ckotil> wG is the best cms ive ever used. hands down
23:32 < ckotil> beats the pants off of joomla/mambo and plone
23:36 < Jiggie> humm
23:36 < Jiggie> its too hard to install
23:36 < Jiggie> but once is installed its great
23:36 < Jiggie> install and upgrade
23:37 < Jiggie> they can have more people if the instructions were better
23:37 < Jiggie> i'll help them out
23:37 < Jiggie> as i'll be writing a small how to,step by step for the company.. maybe they can use it
23:37 < ckotil> you gotta have youe systems admin install it
23:37 < ckotil> and if you are the systems admin, i hope you have 2 weeks to devote ot it
23:37 < Jiggie> i'm a jr sys admin
23:38 < Jiggie> my sys admin didnt want to deal with it and gave it to me
23:38 < ckotil> im the web developer
23:38 < ckotil> but i installed it ;]
23:38 < Jiggie> me too
23:38 < ckotil> what sucks is when someone else upgrades perl without talking to you first
23:38 < Jiggie> its a bit ruff on the edges...i wish it had better documents
23:38 < Jiggie> we had a really old version adn that person left
23:38 < ckotil> ive found everything ive wanted to know
23:39 < Jiggie> so i have to pick up where he left off
23:39 < ckotil> through the free docs, web gui done right , and the forums
23:39 < ckotil> and in here too.
23:39 < Jiggie> and he had a mess here
23:39 < ckotil> aw.. bummer
23:39 < ckotil> ya no doubt
23:39 < Jiggie> like 5 diff installation folders
23:39 < ckotil> haha
23:39 < Jiggie> thats why iots so hard to follow it for me
23:39 < Jiggie> but working good on it for a bit and will be helping here
23:40 < ckotil> ya
23:40 < ckotil> theres a lot i still dont know
23:43 < jmorgan> i'm cleaning out my computer room today & found a couple of Ultra2. I'm installing debian atm
23:43 < jmorgan> i wonder if webgui runs on them
23:44 < Jiggie> ummm
23:44 < Jiggie> yeah
23:45 < Jiggie> with 3 weeks of cpan modules to install
23:45 < Jiggie> lol
23:46 < jmorgan> i wonder if webgui has been ported to any other arch or OS besides linux...
23:46 < Jiggie> hey
23:46 < Jiggie> stuck here
23:46 < jmorgan> and *bsd
23:46 < Jiggie> cpan> install Data::Structure::Util
23:46 < Jiggie> Running install for module Data::Structure::Util
23:46 < Jiggie> Running make for F/FO/FOTANGO/Data-Structure-Util-0.12.tar.gz
23:46 < Jiggie> Is already unwrapped into directory /root/.cpan/build/Data-Structure-Util-0.12
23:46 < Jiggie> Has already been processed within this session
23:46 < Jiggie> Running make test
23:46 < Jiggie> Can't test without successful make
23:46 < Jiggie> Running make install
23:46 < Jiggie> make had returned bad status, install seems impossible
23:48 < ckotil> get the source
23:48 < ckotil> and install
23:51 < ckotil> i've a template question.
23:53 < ckotil> if i want to use a single template accrossed a couple branches , and i just want an image at the top to change. what tmpl variable will i be using? i know body.content will include the assets contained within the node
23:55 < Jiggie> dont know much about templates
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00:02 < ckotil> well im off, ill make a forum post about this. cya tomrorow.
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00:22 <+perlDreamer> snapcoun1: wanna talk 'bout yer bug?
00:23 < snapcoun1> sure
00:23 <+perlDreamer> I think you're right, it's a code problem
00:23 <+perlDreamer> I looked at new, and there are fall through cases for className
00:23 <+perlDreamer> but I think you should also create all your assets inside a versionTag so that they can be cleaned up at the end of the test.
00:24 < snapcoun1> why does it matter? I thought the tests were considered destructive?
00:25 < snapcoun1> I'm not against the idea though
00:25 <+perlDreamer> the smoke-tests are destructive
00:25 <+perlDreamer> they get cleaned up every night
00:25 <+perlDreamer> but I'm guessing dev systems don't
00:25 <+perlDreamer> and you don't want the tests to interfere with one another
00:25 < snapcoun1> well, I think it's better to avoid complicating them
00:25 < snapcoun1> so the tests are very focused
00:26 < snapcoun1> but I dunno
00:26 <+perlDreamer> it's also a good way to test the version control api ;)
00:26 < snapcoun1> I figured version control was in another test set so I left it out
00:27 < snapcoun1> actually it is
00:27 < snapcoun1> Asset_version.t
00:27 < snapcoun1> so, do you think my bug is really a bug eh?
00:28 < snapcoun1> JT can be weird about bugs like this because the test is using the API incorrectly
00:28 < snapcoun1> however, it's documented to behave a certain way when it can't figure something out
00:28 < snapcoun1> and it's not doing that
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00:44 < snapcoun1> perlDreamer: ping
00:50 <+perlDreamer> cube talk, be back soon
01:28 <+perlDreamer> back
01:29 <+perlDreamer> I think it's really a bug
01:29 <+perlDreamer> It's doing something unpredictably, and you want it to fail early so that it doesn't do something like create "ghost" Assets in the db.
01:29 < snapcoun1> oooh ghosts
01:30 < snapcoun1> spooky =)
01:30 <+perlDreamer> I became a big believer in tests being self contained when the User and Group tests starting causing failures in other tests that used the User and Group tables.
01:30 <+perlDreamer> it's like 4 lines of code.
01:31 <+perlDreamer> anyway, I can fix the bug if you prefer
01:31 <+perlDreamer> JT can't fire me
01:31 < snapcoun1> lol
01:31 <+perlDreamer> well, he can fire me
01:32 <+perlDreamer> but it doesn't impact my budget
01:32 < snapcoun1> heh
01:32 <+perlDreamer> you made quite a few tests, dude.
01:32 <+perlDreamer> good work!
01:32 < snapcoun1> yeah... I want to at least have all the constructors tested
01:32 < snapcoun1> they are kinda important
01:32 < snapcoun1> =)
01:32 <+perlDreamer> yeah
01:32 <+perlDreamer> I have all but a handful of the Macros tested
01:33 < snapcoun1> webgui has *so* much code
01:33 <+perlDreamer> It would be nice if we could check in some metadocs that don't make it to release
01:33 <+perlDreamer> for instance, I have a list of which macros have tests and which don't
01:33 <+perlDreamer> it would be nice to share it.
01:33 < snapcoun1> just shove a readme in the t directory
01:34 < snapcoun1> or dev-readme
01:34 < snapcoun1> dev-test-todo
01:34 * snapcoun1 shrugs
01:34 <+perlDreamer> I could try some SVN metadata...
01:34 <+perlDreamer> and attach it to the directory
01:34 < snapcoun1> how does that work?
01:34 <+perlDreamer> you can attach random metadata to files and directories.
01:34 <+perlDreamer> it get stored in .svn
01:35 <+perlDreamer> and you can query it via the tool
01:35 <+perlDreamer> it how you set ignoreFile, like in CVS
01:35 < snapcoun1> I see
01:36 < snapcoun1> you prolly wanna post to dev... b/c I don't think anyone else will realize it's there and/or know how to use it
01:36 <+perlDreamer> yeah
01:36 < snapcoun1> but it sounds good...
01:36 <+perlDreamer> think so?
01:36 <+perlDreamer> cool
01:36 < snapcoun1> only problem I see is keeping it updated
01:37 <+perlDreamer> it has to be done manually
01:37 < snapcoun1> i.e., getting people to update it when they write test
01:37 <+perlDreamer> yeah
01:37 <+perlDreamer> probably better to start with READMEs
01:37 < snapcoun1> but then again... there are like four of us that do
01:37 <+perlDreamer> so far, I have high hopes for my talk
01:37 < snapcoun1> good
01:38 < snapcoun1> how long does it take to run the entire test suite now
01:38 <+perlDreamer> don't know
01:38 <+perlDreamer> need to add the --timer switch to testEnvironment.pl to have prove time it for us
01:39 <+perlDreamer> actually, a lot depends on the version of perl you use
01:39 <+perlDreamer> my code scanner tests go 30X if you run it under recent versions of perl
01:39 <+perlDreamer> They use Text::Balanced, which reblesses objects and in perl 5.8.8.5 that operation was made to be very expensive in time.
01:40 < snapcoun1> is there a test that checks the codebase for i18n->echo calls
01:40 <+perlDreamer> no
01:40 < snapcoun1> those are kinda bugs I think
01:40 <+perlDreamer> yes
01:41 <+perlDreamer> just add it to label.t
01:41 <+perlDreamer> actually, I was thinking of building 1 code scanner that both label.t and one of the Help tests could use.
01:41 <+perlDreamer> I wrote a test to make sure that calls to AdminConsole->setHelp have valid help entries
01:42 < snapcoun1> that's a good one
01:42 < snapcoun1> I can't believe how many tests are written
01:42 < snapcoun1> and how many still need to be written
01:42 <+perlDreamer> most of the 11000 tests are autogenerated from label.t (7000)
01:42 <+perlDreamer> our coverage isn't very good
01:43 <+perlDreamer> I'm hoping to have some Devel::Cover data by the conference.
01:43 < snapcoun1> hard to say w/o a semi-accurate way to estimate total tests needed
01:43 < snapcoun1> i.e., we're 10% there, etc
01:43 <+perlDreamer> yeah
01:44 <+perlDreamer> tiffany is funny
01:44 <+perlDreamer> did you read her post about removing commits?
01:45 < snapcoun1> missed that one
01:45 <+perlDreamer> it's on the regular boards
01:46 <+perlDreamer> http://www.plainblack.com/etcetera/how-can-i-completely-and-utterly-disable-version-tagging#LnH2wHXqMpHZqHld_EZjiQ
01:52 < snapcoun1> oh I did read that
01:52 < snapcoun1> sigh
01:52 <+perlDreamer> "happy place"
01:53 < snapcoun1> heh
01:53 <+perlDreamer> are y'all getting a lot of that, about version control?
01:55 < snapcoun1> it's like everything
01:55 < snapcoun1> it's different... some love it, some hate it
01:55 < snapcoun1> some want it to do more
01:56 < snapcoun1> people are never happy, but I think that's a good thing
01:56 < snapcoun1> gives us something to do =)
02:00 <+perlDreamer> are y'all real busy now?
02:07 < snapcoun1> hey there you are
02:07 < snapcoun1> I was answering your priv msg
02:08 <+perlDreamer> I didn't get it
02:08 <+perlDreamer> weird
02:09 <+perlDreamer> can you hop in IM for a sec?
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03:16 < Radix-wrk> mornin' :)
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05:28 < Radix-wrk> "I'd still hang out with most of you even if I wasn't paid to do it... cough cough =P" - lol
05:28 < Radix-wrk> Yeah sure snapcount - we believe ya ;)
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16:23 < Jiggie> morning
16:24 < Jiggie> where can i get the wre for version 6.8.10
16:29 < snapcoun1> right now it's not available for download
16:29 < snapcoun1> lemme see if I can get that back on sourceforge
16:30 < snapcoun1> so you can download it
16:30 < Jiggie> i wont to soundforge and its no longer there
16:33 < xdanger> we'll I think I have it some where...
16:33 < xdanger> snapcoun1: 0.6 ?
16:34 < xdanger> wre-0.6.0-debian-i386.tar.gz
16:35 < snapcoun1> yep that's it
16:36 < snapcoun1> I'm trying to get it okay'd b/c it makes the upgrade path easier for people who are currently non-wre 5.x or 6.2.11
16:36 < xdanger> Jiggie: do you run on debian?
16:43 < xdanger> lol: "Today, tomorrow and the next day are the only days we'll get dates like this: 2/8/6 3/8/6 4/8/6 like the x86 computers :-)"
16:43 < Jiggie> nope
16:43 < Jiggie> redhat ES4
16:44 < Jiggie> trying to update modperl
16:45 < Jiggie> pain in the ass
16:59 < ckotil> lol xdanger
17:01 < ckotil> jiggle up2date doesnt keep up to date too much
17:03 < Jiggie> i know
17:03 < Jiggie> and i cant run yum on rhes 4
17:03 < Jiggie> it breaks it
17:04 < Jiggie> installing from source
17:04 < Jiggie> but i had to remove the old modperl
17:04 < Jiggie> would be nice if you guys pointed that out
17:08 <+crythias> I have links to all versions of source, but whatev.
17:11 < Jiggie> is it on ur site
17:11 < Jiggie> Configuring Apache/2.2.30 mod_perl2/2.0.2 Perl/v5.8.8
17:11 < Jiggie> finally
17:13 < Jiggie> perl: 5.8.8 ok
17:13 < Jiggie> build/version_check.pl failed: no version_string found in '' for 'mod_perl'.
17:13 < Jiggie> Please upgrade mod_perl first.
17:14 < Jiggie> i need to fix that
17:14 <+crythias> uninstall/reinstall mod_perl and all perl-* when upgrading perl
17:15 < Jiggie> i just uninstalled modperl 1.99
17:15 < Jiggie> and installed the 2
17:29 < Jiggie> any help
17:29 <+crythias> I didn't realize there was a question... :(
17:30 < ckotil> I feel that the vertical menu can be made better.
17:31 < ckotil> sometimes it looses its indentation when it shouldn't
17:32 <+crythias> what cpan module is trying to build in that is requesting the mod_perl version?
17:33 < Jiggie> Apache2::Request
17:33 <+crythias> duh.
17:33 <+crythias> and for what os?
17:34 <+crythias> duh: like I should have guessed.
17:34 < Jiggie> RHES4
17:34 < Jiggie> red hat doe snot have mod perl above 2
17:34 <+crythias> haven't I told you where to get libapreq for that?
17:34 < Jiggie> nope
17:35 < Jiggie> i'm documenting everything on the post i made and following your suggestions
17:35 <+crythias> what fc# is applicable to rhes4?
17:36 < Jiggie> it needs dependencies
17:36 < Jiggie> i updated modperl2 already
17:36 < Jiggie> Removing previously used /root/.cpan/build/libapreq2-2.07
17:36 < Jiggie> CPAN.pm: Going to build J/JO/JOESUF/libapreq2-2.07.tar.gz
17:36 < Jiggie> perl: 5.8.8 ok
17:36 < Jiggie> build/version_check.pl failed: no version_string found in '' for 'mod_perl'.
17:36 < Jiggie> Please upgrade mod_perl first.
17:37 <+crythias> no
17:37 <+crythias> perl -libapreq2
17:37 < Jiggie> so i have to download libapreq2
17:37 <+crythias> http://www.plainblack.com/install/upgrade_help/what-is-the-recommended-solution-here
17:41 <+crythias> http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/extras/5/i386/repodata/repoview/perl-libapreq2-0-2.07-1.1.fc5.html
17:41 <+crythias> probably closer
17:43 < Jiggie> can i have a link to your site
17:43 <+crythias> my site?
17:43 < Jiggie> need to download wre for 6.x
17:43 <+crythias> I don't have wre for 6.x :(
17:43 <+crythias> just source.
17:44 < Jiggie> so, the instructions you gave me on how to upgrade
17:44 < Jiggie> just extract the wenGUI over th eold one and meet dependencies
17:44 < Jiggie> then do the upgrade.pl
17:44 < Jiggie> right
17:44 <+crythias> pretty much.
17:44 <+crythias> change preload.perl if it applies
17:45 <+crythias> backup before overwrite.
17:45 < Jiggie> this libapreqn requires a shit load of dependencies
17:45 <+crythias> 'kay
17:46 < Jiggie> let me fill them
17:46 < Jiggie> :)
17:46 < Jiggie> getting very used to webgui
17:46 <+crythias> http://rpmfind.net//linux/RPM/fedora/extras/5/i386/perl-libapreq2-2.07-2.fc5.i386.html
17:46 < Jiggie> soon will help you guys here
17:46 < Jiggie> thanks
17:46 <+crythias> can't get over how MANY dependencies to get WebGUI running.
17:47 < Jiggie> too many if you ask me
17:47 <+crythias> I concur
17:48 < Jiggie> this drives me crazy
17:48 < Jiggie> Please provide a full path to 'apxs' executable
17:48 < Jiggie> (press Enter if you don't have it installed): /usr/local/apache2/bin/apxs
17:48 < Jiggie> Configuring Apache/2.2.30 mod_perl2/2.0.2 Perl/v5.8.8
17:48 < Jiggie> Checking if your kit is complete...
17:48 < Jiggie> Looks good
17:48 < Jiggie> if it says its good why oes it fail
17:48 < Jiggie> lol
17:49 <+crythias> 'cause of 2.2 Apache
17:49 < ckotil> yah , just wait till it asks you for the apache src
17:49 <+crythias> :)
17:49 < ckotil> and you're like. uhmmmm...wtf!
17:50 * crythias is considering hosting on webgui... but not so sure.
17:50 <+crythias> Probably worth hosting on WebGUI if only my dummy site to get the cheaper support :)
17:50 < Jiggie> we host on webgui
17:50 < Jiggie> but the internal network we host
17:50 < Jiggie> extranet is 7 and intranet is 6.2.11
17:51 <+crythias> I understand. I've a similar issue.
17:51 <+crythias> actually... I just got some new boxen in.. I should be starting to wipe Winxp to get my intranet box not on crappy hw
17:51 < Jiggie> just upgraded the database to 6.8.4
17:52 < Jiggie> i have formatted this box so many times
17:52 < ckotil> heh
17:53 < Jiggie> with fedora, redhat, ubuntu
17:53 < Jiggie> perl: 5.8.8 ok
17:53 < Jiggie> mod_perl: 2.000002 ok
17:53 < Jiggie> Apache::Test: 1.27 ok
17:53 < Jiggie> finally
17:54 < Jiggie> it still looks to add mod_perl-1.29.tar.gz
17:54 < Jiggie> let me reply to post with the follow up
17:57 <+crythias> wrong libapreq
17:58 <+crythias> that's the problem.
17:58 < Jiggie> is asking for
17:58 < Jiggie> perl'.
17:58 <+crythias> libapreq is for mod_perl libapreq2 for mod_perl2
17:58 < Jiggie> Please tell me where I can find your apache src
17:58 < Jiggie> [../apache_x.x/src]
17:58 <+crythias> no need to do this!
17:58 <+crythias> you don't need it if the rpm is installed
17:59 < Jiggie> cpan
17:59 < Jiggie> doing it
17:59 <+crythias> for ...
18:00 < Jiggie> should i point it to where i extracted httpd-2.2.3
18:00 < Jiggie> cpan installing Apache2::Request
18:00 <+crythias> you're going to have problems with 2.2 go to 2.0
18:00 < Jiggie> crap
18:00 <+crythias> much happiness will follow
18:01 < Jiggie> so now i have to remove httpd-2.2.3 and install 2.0
18:01 <+crythias> yeah. 'cause I banged my head for several hours and just allowed my freebsd box to do proper dependencies. all is well now.
18:02 < Jiggie> ok
18:02 < Jiggie> nice
18:02 < Jiggie> also should be on the documentation if is not there
18:03 <+crythias> is. Req's: Apache 2.0
18:03 < Jiggie> i meant make it a point to tell not to install 2.2
18:04 <+crythias> http://www.plainblack.com/system_requirements
18:04 <+crythias> it's not so much WG problem as libapreq2
18:04 < Jiggie> will have problems
18:04 < Jiggie> when i do rpm -e httpd
18:04 < ckotil> where can the flex menu be obtained?
18:04 < Jiggie> it says too many dependecies
18:05 <+crythias> flex? extras, I think, 'cause it's js.
18:05 <+crythias> at the moment, not certain why wg should have filesystem js anymore.
18:06 <+crythias> Jiggie: sorry :( I don't know if it'd be appropriate to force or not.
18:06 < ckotil> hrm it might be gone form 7. it would be in navigation right?
18:07 <+crythias> oh. you mean type of available navigation? oops. yeah. I don't know. didn't check.
18:07 < ckotil> yeah im trying to get vertical nav to work for me
18:08 < ckotil> but i just cant, i need ancestors and siblings and decendents to show but at the root level it shows all its siblings which are pages i want to hide
18:08 <+crythias> example?
18:16 < Jiggie> crythias
18:16 < Jiggie> can you check here and help me find the httpd souce
18:16 < Jiggie> http://archive.apache.org/dist/httpd/
18:17 < Jiggie> not for windows
18:17 <+crythias> yeahbut you could get the src rpm
18:17 < Jiggie> got it
18:17 < Jiggie> found it inside another folder
18:18 < Jiggie> src.rpm
18:18 <+crythias> :)
18:18 <+crythias> happy. joy.
18:18 < Jiggie> yeah
18:18 < Jiggie> The file "/tmp/httpd-2.2.3-1.src.rpm" is a source RPM which cannot be installed with system-config-packages.
18:18 < Jiggie> so now what
18:19 <+crythias> rpm -Uvh httpd-2.2.3...
18:20 < Jiggie> can i extract it from the rpm?
18:20 < Jiggie> just a question
18:21 <+crythias> not exactly, but the command I gave you would be the point, I think?
18:22 < Jiggie> root@intranet13 Desktop]# rpm -Uvh httpd-2.2.3-1.src.rpm
18:22 < Jiggie> warning: httpd-2.2.3-1.src.rpm: V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 751d7f27
18:22 < Jiggie> 1:httpd warning: user minfrin does not exist - using root
18:22 < Jiggie> warning: group fma does not exist - using root
18:22 < Jiggie> ########################################### [100%]
18:22 < Jiggie> warning: user minfrin does not exist - using root
18:22 < Jiggie> warning: group fma does not exist - using root
18:22 < Jiggie> well i jsut pressed q to quit for the search of the source
18:23 < Jiggie> it seems to be working anyways
18:23 < Jiggie> so httpd and apache are the same
18:23 < Jiggie> why different names
18:23 <+crythias> apache has many products, httpd being the web server daemon.
18:26 < Jiggie> webgui guys should have a bundle for webgui upgrades
18:26 < Jiggie> tired of dependencies
18:26 < Jiggie> will hate perl when this is done
18:27 <+crythias> agree. and what's worse is all dependencies need to be reloaded when perl is upgraded.
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18:28 < Jiggie> yeah
18:28 < Jiggie> this is where i'm stuck
18:28 < Jiggie> #
18:28 < Jiggie> ncludes the four header files required for building libapreq (Apache::Request)
18:28 < Jiggie> #
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18:41 < Jiggie> almost giving up on webgui
18:41 < Jiggie> and dependencies
18:43 < Jiggie> brb gonna reboot
18:43 < Jiggie> to catcha break
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19:50 < Jiggie> back
19:50 < Jiggie> with new errors
19:50 < Jiggie> The perl module Apache2::Request is not installed, do you want to install it now? {y|n} [y]
19:50 < Jiggie> Attempting to install Apache2::Request...
19:50 < Jiggie> CPAN: File::HomeDir loaded ok
19:50 < Jiggie> CPAN: Storable loaded ok
19:50 < Jiggie> Going to read /root/.cpan/Metadata
19:50 < Jiggie> Database was generated on Wed, 02 Aug 2006 21:31:47 GMT
19:51 < Jiggie> Apache2::Request is up to date (2.07).
19:51 < Jiggie> Checking for module Apache2::Request: Install of Apache2::Request failed!
19:51 < Jiggie> cpan> install Apache2::Request
19:51 < Jiggie> CPAN: Storable loaded ok
19:51 < Jiggie> Going to read /root/.cpan/Metadata
19:51 < Jiggie> Database was generated on Wed, 02 Aug 2006 21:31:47 GMT
19:51 < Jiggie> Apache2::Request is up to date (2.07).
19:51 < Jiggie> so is it installed or not
19:55 < ckotil> i had to install it manually
19:56 < jmorgan> same here. I was missing some dependancies for Apache2::Request
19:58 < Jiggie> so give me some help here
19:58 < Jiggie> what did you guys do
19:58 < Jiggie> how can i use o conf [opt] set and query options
20:13 < Jiggie> so any help
20:30 < ckotil> i dunno how to help
20:46 < Jiggie> hahaha
20:58 < Jiggie> WebGUI if you get it to run = never
22:04 < Jiggie> hey anyone
22:04 < Jiggie> cpan> install Apache2::Request
22:04 < Jiggie> Apache2::Request is up to date (2.07).
22:04 < Jiggie> why isnt webgui not picking it up
22:36 < ckotil> it senses the use of a double negative
23:20 < Jiggie> yep
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04:40 < Radix-wrk> oooh.. plainblack website looks totally different today
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16:18 < Jiggie> not that great
18:35 < ckotil> the new site design is pretty slick
19:08 < jmorgan> yeah, I like it too
22:21 < ckotil> ugh. elitedesigns needs to get with the program
22:21 < ckotil> there design are horrid
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19:57 < ckotil> admin wants no part of the wre. only as a last resort
19:58 < ckotil> things arent looking too good tho.
19:58 < ckotil> jt had me insert some debug code into preloaad.perl and preload.perl isnt even getting loaded bc of a complilation error before it
20:39 < ckotil> any idea why when admin mode gets turned on images break?
20:54 < xdanger> priviles?
21:03 < ckotil> nah. it seems to break everyone of my images
21:03 < ckotil> usually they're cached and are ok. but if i refresh, they break
21:04 < ckotil> i use the ^/; macro to link to them
21:09 < xdanger> haven't played much with v7, but I'm sure that I find something broken in there when I'm upgrading =)
21:10 < ckotil> cross your fingers.
21:10 < ckotil> pray. or both
21:10 < xdanger> nah, I have custom assets, so that usually brakes it
21:10 < ckotil> ah
21:11 < xdanger> I'm hoping that v7 is clear of (for-me-)showstopper bugs..
21:11 < xdanger> we'll not showstoppers, but anoyances..
21:12 < ckotil> will you setup another instance of your site to upgrade first?
21:12 < xdanger> of course
21:12 < ckotil> ya.
21:12 < xdanger> I have a testing server at the office...
21:12 < ckotil> i plan on setting up a wG instance at home for personal use
21:13 < xdanger> but at the moment it's in desktop use because one of the desktop machines got sold under us =P
21:13 < ckotil> its a one stop shop
21:13 < xdanger> (It was loand from a friend of mine)
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18:29 < ckotil> last night i tried to build the wre on fbsd 6. it failed running the build.sh script. so i tried building seperately. and it failed at mysql saying i didnt have openssl. so i built it from ports tree and it sitll failed.
18:29 < ckotil> im 0/2 this week
18:46 < jmorgan> yeah, I had a hard time getting to build on netbsd. had trouble with dependancies
18:54 < ckotil> i didnt try from source, bc i didnt want to install perl from source.
18:54 < ckotil> and the ports are a little behind
19:02 < jmorgan> what error did you get when building wre on fbsd6?
19:03 < ckotil> missing openssl
19:03 < ckotil> well thats when i was building like.... sh build.sh --apache --mysql -- etc....
19:04 < ckotil> when i ran sh build.sh it would error out at compiling lftp . which i though was WIERD
19:05 < jmorgan> yeah, your missing some dependancies (in fbsd6) that it needs. i'll go look to see if I still ahve my notes somewhere
19:05 < ckotil> thanks.
19:05 < jmorgan> as i had to install lots of extra stuff
19:19 < jmorgan> sorry, can't find my notes. i must have tossed them
19:20 < jmorgan> but what you can do is scroll up to look for the Makefile output. I'd like for "no" & try installing what's missing
19:22 < jmorgan> also, i hear crythias is a bsd'er & might have a wre already built
19:22 < ckotil> ok
19:23 < ckotil> yah i didnt look to close to see what failed when i ran sh build.sh
19:23 < jmorgan> here is an example
19:23 < jmorgan> checking dependency style of gcc... gcc3
19:23 < jmorgan> checking for g++... no
19:23 < jmorgan> checking for c++... no
19:23 < jmorgan> checking for gpp... gpp
19:23 < jmorgan> checking whether we are using the GNU C++ compiler... no
19:24 < ckotil> yup. then install those
19:24 < ckotil> i gotcha
19:24 < jmorgan> i always rm -rf /data/wre when I rerun build.sh too
19:25 < ckotil> cool. yeah i did that a couple times last night
19:26 < ckotil> i set it up at /usr/data and then made a symbolic link from /data to that
19:26 < ckotil> bc i didnt have enough space otehr wise :/
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21:47 < ckotil> heh
21:48 < ckotil> my idiot admin...says to me 'apparently webdoc has mod perl 1.99'
21:48 < ckotil> DOH!
21:48 < ckotil> so we should be good as soon as he upgrades it
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03:18 <+crythias> hi
03:18 <+crythias> ahh... yeah.
03:18 <+crythias> it's time.
03:18 * crythias does that funky dance. Awe yeah...
03:19 <+crythias> doin a little this this...
03:19 <+crythias> doin a lil tha that
03:19 <+crythias> vacuums are teh suck
03:20 <+crythias> I can't believe it's not acrid
03:21 * crythias sniffs the air.... Do you smell that?
03:22 <+crythias> it smells.... like victory.
03:22 <+crythias> dooby do wha wow sheebidebeebop.
03:24 <+crythias> I felt bad because I had no shoes, then I met a man who had no feet. So I stole his shoes. Now I've walked a mile in his shoes.
03:24 <+crythias> stub orthotics chafe.
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06:03 < snapcoun1> sheesh
06:03 < snapcoun1> someone's feeling all randy dandy today =)
06:03 < snapcoun1> are you coming to the WUC crythias?
06:03 < snapcoun1> I was hoping we'd get to meet in person
06:03 <+crythias> no
06:03 <+crythias> yeah...
06:06 < snapcoun1> sucketh
06:06 < snapcoun1> did you wind up moving?
06:07 <+crythias> not as of yet
06:08 <+crythias> might be browsing at the time o' wuc
06:08 < snapcoun1> well it sucks you're not coming
06:08 < snapcoun1> where are you looking to move?
06:08 <+crythias> I can't believe I figured our libapreq2!
06:08 <+crythias> Houston.
06:08 <+crythias> our: out
06:08 < snapcoun1> on freebsd?
06:08 <+crythias> no. on SuSE
06:08 < snapcoun1> cool
06:08 < snapcoun1> suse 10?
06:09 <+crythias> yeah
06:09 < snapcoun1> or opensuse or whatever it's called now
06:09 < snapcoun1> crapola... 13 mins of battery left... must find power =)
06:09 <+crythias> heh
06:10 <+crythias> installed SuSE 10.1 for the first time on a new server, then tackled WebGUI... about 4 hours to do it from SOURCE, not WRE.
06:10 < snapcoun1> ahh
06:10 <+crythias> now can do it much faster.
06:10 < snapcoun1> that's better... AC mmm
06:10 < snapcoun1> you like intellectual challenges
06:10 <+crythias> yeah.
06:11 <+crythias> but now I *am* the man.
06:11 <+crythias> because what I solved for SuSE is possibly applicable to other OS's.
06:16 <+crythias> :)
07:00 < snapcoun1> that is pretty cool
07:00 < Radix_> yo
07:04 < Radix_> Anyone know how to make forms remember content if you use the back button in IE with WebGUI? Is there any way you can get WebGUI to not clear it or something?
07:06 < Radix_> used to work fine.. but with this new version of webgui it's somehow started clearing forms when you use the back button now.. and driving me crazy.
07:37 < snapcoun1> hmm... I'm not sure what WebGUI could be doing to cause that
07:38 < snapcoun1> I would think you saw them before because you were viewing a version of the page from your browsers history
07:38 < snapcoun1> maybe now that cache is handled correctly, IE is not caching the page anymore in the browser history
07:39 < snapcoun1> so when you click back, the page is reloading
07:39 < snapcoun1> this is all just a wild guess mind you, I have done no testing or have anything to back this up =)
07:40 * snapcoun1 throws it out there =)
07:40 < snapcoun1> time for bed
07:40 < snapcoun1> need sleep
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03:27 <+crythias> it's not so hard.
03:33 < Radix-wrk> what?
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14:33 < maxscience> hey
14:41 < maxscience> I need help :(
15:11 < Radix> don't we all!
15:11 < maxscience> I can't see Assets
15:11 < Radix> oh?
15:12 < Radix> what do you mean?
15:12 < maxscience> I mean the Assets tree
15:12 < maxscience> Assets button in admin console
15:13 < Radix> you logged in as administrator?
15:13 < maxscience> of course
15:13 < Radix> can you add ?func=manageAssets to your url?
15:13 < maxscience> I do see the Assets button.. The problem is that the list is empty
15:14 < maxscience> No assets whatsover...
15:14 < Radix> do you see root?
15:14 < maxscience> just the link but not the assets
15:14 < maxscience> empty list...
15:14 < Radix> so if you click on root?
15:14 < maxscience> empty list!
15:14 < Radix> eeks
15:15 < Radix> so does your site work at all?
15:15 < maxscience> it works perfect
15:15 < Radix> check trash and clipboard then
15:15 < maxscience> they're empty as they should be
15:16 < Radix> check your user account then.. are you sure you still belong to the admins group?
15:16 < maxscience> yes
15:16 < Radix> wierd!
15:16 < Radix> got backup? :)
15:16 < maxscience> yep but it's a dev site actually
15:16 < maxscience> almost empty
15:17 < Radix> hmm.. so not a live site - that's good at least
15:17 < Radix> dunno I'm afraid.. never heard of anything like that happening
15:17 < Radix> check the mysql database if you can (phpmyadmin or some mysql util) - see if you can see asset's listed there
15:18 < Radix> and check the webgui logs
15:24 < maxscience> did already.. all seems fine
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18:11 < maxscience> do you know how to write macros?
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22:31 < ckotil> whats the easiest way to get http://snare.grnoc.iu.edu/results.xml into a .rrd ?
22:33 < ckotil> wrong channel
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03:25 <+crythias> hee
03:25 <+crythias> there ain't no sunshine when she's gone...
03:33 < Radix-wrk> it's not warm when she's away
03:34 < Radix-wrk> Hey crythias :)
03:34 <+crythias> hi
03:35 < Radix-wrk> You any good with javascript?
03:35 <+crythias> more or less
03:35 <+crythias> i know how to get what i want ... done
03:36 < Radix-wrk> I've written a form with an