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00:09 <@snapcount> yeah
00:09 <@snapcount> I saw that
00:09 <@snapcount> I'm not sure how to duplicate that
00:10 <+perlDreamer> Actually, MD5.pm will output %2F, "/", but session->id is supposed to replace it with a different character.
00:13 <@snapcount> oh poop
00:13 <@snapcount> gotta go... I have a date 
00:13 <@snapcount> (go snapcount, it's ya birthday)
00:13 <@snapcount> woot
00:13 <@snapcount> =)
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21:57 <+crythias> bout to ask the same thing
21:57 -!- crythias changed the topic of #webgui to: #webgui Why is there no topic set? - Release 7 expected 7/5... too bad it's not 7/7. That'd be cool.
21:58 < snapcoun1> hey
21:58 < snapcoun1> that would be cool
21:58 < snapcoun1> even cooler if it were v7.7
21:58 <+crythias> wait a year...? :) :)
21:58 < snapcoun1> hehe
22:00 < snapcoun1> http://homestarrunner.com/asdfkj
22:00 < snapcoun1> == 404
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00:36 < lenthamen> looks like everyone is having a party ;)
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01:17 < lenthamen> hey Colin !
01:17 <+perlDreamer> hey, len!
01:17 <+perlDreamer> 7 is out!
01:17 <+perlDreamer> woot!
01:17 < lenthamen> Long time no see :)
01:17 <+perlDreamer> i'm in and out
01:17 < lenthamen> Yeah I saw 7 is out. Unbelievable :)
01:18 < lenthamen> No more upgrade nightmares 
01:18 < lenthamen> or API changes
01:18 < lenthamen> or confused customers ;)
01:18 <+perlDreamer> oh no
01:18 <+perlDreamer> we'll have those for a while
01:18 <+perlDreamer> as they upgrade
01:18 <+perlDreamer> and we forward port all contracted work
01:19 <+perlDreamer> Is your site holding up well to the World Cup fans?
01:19 < lenthamen> The rush is over... Holland lost last week.
01:19 <+perlDreamer> sorry about that.  They probably did better than the US, though
01:20 < lenthamen> We received about 900K unique visitors, thats more than we ever got before.
01:22 < lenthamen> 26,7 million page views.
01:22 <+perlDreamer> that's huge
01:22 <+perlDreamer> I still remember the presentation you gave at last year's WUC
01:22 <+perlDreamer> that's some system.
01:23 < lenthamen> It's cool to get the opportunity to use webgui for such a site... We're planning to upgrade to 7.0 btw, but that'll be a tough one.
01:23 < lenthamen> lots of custom code.
01:24 <+perlDreamer> the regexps in the migration doc will help with coarse conversion of the code for the 6.8 to 6.9 stuff.
01:24 <+perlDreamer> what is the site running now?
01:24 < lenthamen> http://www.knvb.nl/   -> 6.2.11
01:24 <+perlDreamer> So you'll have to do Asset work as well.
01:25 <+perlDreamer> yeah, that won't be easy
01:25 < lenthamen> we have lots of special stuff, like the right column which is inherited from a parent page if it is empty....
01:26 < lenthamen> automatic image scaling...
01:26 <+perlDreamer> nice
01:27 < lenthamen> Check out the Ajax poll: http://www.knvb.nl/wk2006/nieuws 
01:27 < lenthamen> on the right.
01:28 <+perlDreamer> that's nice.  You ever think of releasing any of that code?
01:29 <+perlDreamer> oh, and the new AdSpace manager should help with your right column ad space.
01:31 < lenthamen> The poll results are outside webgui. That's the only way to keep it fast. Same for the login box on the left.
01:31 <+perlDreamer> so they're proxied into the site?
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01:31 <+MrHairgrease> Len!
01:32 < lenthamen> poll results are fetched via ajax. The login box is an iframe.
01:32 < lenthamen> Good night martin !
01:32 <+MrHairgrease> What's good about it?
01:32 <+perlDreamer> WebGUI 7 is finally out?
01:32 <+MrHairgrease> That's true
01:32 < lenthamen> Portugal lost :D
01:32 <+MrHairgrease> ok
01:32 <+MrHairgrease> coolio
01:32 <+MrHairgrease> i think
01:32 <+MrHairgrease> =)
01:33 <+perlDreamer> So it's France vs Italy?
01:33 <+MrHairgrease> Yeah
01:33 < lenthamen> yep !
01:33 <+MrHairgrease> I guess
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01:33 <+MrHairgrease> Let France win
01:33 < lenthamen> what are you doing so late martin ;)
01:33 <+MrHairgrease> studying
01:33 < lenthamen> ok
01:33 <+MrHairgrease> My last exam of the year
01:33 <+MrHairgrease> tomorrow
01:34 <+MrHairgrease> and it's about 30 something dgrees in my room
01:34 <+perlDreamer> Is this your last year of school?
01:34 <+MrHairgrease> no man
01:34 <+MrHairgrease> but I'm planning on starting my graduation thesis in november
01:34 <+MrHairgrease> so I could be finished in oktober/novermber 2007!
01:35 <+MrHairgrease> If everything goes according to plan
01:35  * MrHairgrease loves it when plans come together
01:35 <+MrHairgrease> Len
01:35 < lenthamen> Martin are you going to Las Vegas? 
01:35 <+MrHairgrease> What are you doing up so late?
01:35 <+MrHairgrease> yes
01:35 <+MrHairgrease> together with joeri
01:35 < lenthamen> I can't be there :(
01:35 <+MrHairgrease> I know
01:36 < lenthamen> koen's not going ?
01:36 <+MrHairgrease> blame it on sinterklaas if I remeber correctlky? =)
01:36 <+MrHairgrease> Koen's was going
01:36 <+MrHairgrease> but decided not to
01:36 <+MrHairgrease> same for albert
01:36 <+perlDreamer> that's too bad
01:36 <+MrHairgrease> well
01:36 <+perlDreamer> my coffee consumption is up 25% since his talk last year
01:36 <+MrHairgrease> see it from the bright side
01:36 <+perlDreamer> I'm hoping for beer advice this year
01:36 <+MrHairgrease> it will spare you from a lot of headaches =)
01:36 <+MrHairgrease> hey man
01:37 <+MrHairgrease> I'm still going
01:37 <+MrHairgrease> I drink beer
01:37 <+perlDreamer> You're the man, then
01:37 <+MrHairgrease> well, at least _a_ man
01:38 < lenthamen> I'd love to go. Can't the WUC be postponed for 2 months or so ;)
01:38 <+MrHairgrease> no
01:38 <+MrHairgrease> we alreaqdy ordered our tiockects
01:38 < lenthamen> snik
01:39 <+MrHairgrease> it's your own fault
01:39 <+MrHairgrease> =)
01:39 < lenthamen> me time will come
01:39 <+perlDreamer> 2007, the Year of Len
01:39 <+MrHairgrease> sure
01:39 < lenthamen> hehe
01:39 <+MrHairgrease> you guys believe that
01:39 < lenthamen> I thought that of 2006 too
01:39 < lenthamen> :)
01:39 <+MrHairgrease> no man
01:40 <+MrHairgrease> I thought 2006 was mine
01:40 <+MrHairgrease> but I'm not entierky sure
01:40 <+MrHairgrease> I don't have a calendar
01:40 <+MrHairgrease> agenda
01:40 <+MrHairgrease> whatever it's called in english
01:41 < lenthamen> I'm going to sleep. Ttyl guys !
01:41 <+perlDreamer> g'night, Len
01:41 <+MrHairgrease> ok
01:41 <+MrHairgrease> see you later
01:41 < lenthamen> mzl
01:45 <+perlDreamer> So what will you thesis be on, Martin?
01:45 <+MrHairgrease> dunno
01:45 <+MrHairgrease> yet
01:45 <+MrHairgrease> prolly something with transistors
01:45 <+MrHairgrease> or mems devices
01:45 <+perlDreamer> board or integrated?
01:45 <+MrHairgrease> integrated
01:46 <+MrHairgrease> like designing transitors
01:46 <+MrHairgrease> or characterizeing it
01:46 <+MrHairgrease> oh
01:46 <+perlDreamer> cool, I didn't know you were into fab-type stuff
01:46 <+MrHairgrease> or maybe something with tunnel devices
01:46 <+MrHairgrease> it keeps me off the street
01:46 <+MrHairgrease> =)
01:47 <+perlDreamer> I prefer designing with transistors to designing transistors
01:47 <+MrHairgrease> i can understand
01:47 <+MrHairgrease> you design opamps and that kind of stuff right?
01:47 <+perlDreamer> kind of
01:48 <+perlDreamer> we do chips for batteries
01:48 <+MrHairgrease> monitoring?
01:48 <+perlDreamer> charge monitors, safety circuits, authentication, chargers
01:48 <+MrHairgrease> auth through batteries?
01:48 <+perlDreamer> auth for batteries
01:48 <+perlDreamer> to prevent counterfeits
01:48 <+MrHairgrease> that would make a cool webgui plugin
01:48 <+MrHairgrease> oh i see
01:49 <+perlDreamer> this is one my last chips: http://www.maxim-ic.com/quick_view2.cfm/qv_pk/3019
01:49 <+MrHairgrease> I'm planning on taking some additional analog design courses though
01:50 <+MrHairgrease> cool
01:50 <+MrHairgrease> so you output the auth signal troug the positive lead or so?
01:50 <+MrHairgrease> or do you have a seperate lead for that?
01:50 <+perlDreamer> On the DS2703, you put it through the positive lead.  On the DS2704, it has a separate lead.
01:51 <+MrHairgrease> ok
01:51 <+MrHairgrease> but you designed the analog part of it?
01:51 <+MrHairgrease> or the digital core?
01:51 <+perlDreamer> I spec'ed the digital core, integrated memories from an existing part and built all the left-over analog and digital glue to make them all talk to one another.
01:52 <+perlDreamer> it was a two person chip
01:52 <+MrHairgrease> have you been doing this for a long time already?
01:52 <+perlDreamer> 10 years
01:52 <+MrHairgrease> hmmm
01:52 <+MrHairgrease> that's almost a long as I'm going to the university =)
01:52 <+MrHairgrease> l/k
01:53 <+MrHairgrease> j/k*
01:53 <+perlDreamer> University can be much more fun
01:53 <+MrHairgrease> I dunno
01:53 <+perlDreamer> especially when it comes time for WebGUI hacking
01:53 <+MrHairgrease> I'm never there =)
01:53  * MrHairgrease pull all cliches out of his sleeve
01:53 <+MrHairgrease> I hack webgui at procolix
01:53 <+MrHairgrease> and sometimes at home
01:54 <+MrHairgrease> however seldom at the university
01:54 <+MrHairgrease> If I got the timezones correctly your chatting about webgui during work
01:54 <+perlDreamer> yes
01:55 <+MrHairgrease> so it must be ok
01:55 <+perlDreamer> webgui chatting during work is okay
01:55 <+perlDreamer> webgui hackery at work is kept to an absolute minimum
01:55 <+MrHairgrease> hehe
01:55 <+perlDreamer> and webgui work is a strict no-no
01:55 <+MrHairgrease> and your boss knows this?
01:55 <+perlDreamer> yes
01:55 <+MrHairgrease> do you guys use webgui in your intranet or so?
01:55 <+perlDreamer> no
01:56 <+perlDreamer> we have a very small intranet site
01:56 <+perlDreamer> not really WebGUI-able
01:56 <+perlDreamer> it would need integration with our version control IC tools
01:56 <+MrHairgrease> ah
01:57 <+MrHairgrease> anyway
01:57 <+MrHairgrease> gotta
01:57 <+MrHairgrease> go
01:57 <+perlDreamer> g'night
01:57 <+MrHairgrease> exam tomorrow
01:57 <+MrHairgrease> later
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21:59 < ckotil> I think i found a bug.
21:59 < ckotil> that kills the forum.
22:00 < ckotil> Twice today I submited a bug
22:00 < ckotil> and after i submitted i cant access the bug section
22:00 < ckotil> subjeect was <iframe> height attribute
22:00 < ckotil> webgui seems to ignore height="100%" or style="height:100%;"
22:01 < ckotil> seems to me < and > kill it :/
22:03 < ckotil> but the iframe thing is annoying. 
22:07 < ckotil> heh http://www.plainblack.com/bugs
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09:23 < Radix-wrk> Anyone here?
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11:54 < lenthamen> hey martin
11:55 <+MrHairgrease> yo
11:55 <+MrHairgrease> ik ben er naar aan het kijken
11:55 < lenthamen> ok, tnx. 
11:55 < lenthamen> laat maar weten als ik je kan helpen.
11:56 <+MrHairgrease> ok
11:56 <+MrHairgrease> ik weet zelf ook nog niets van spectre en workflow
11:56 <+MrHairgrease> dus het is allemaal reuze spannend =)
11:58 < lenthamen> de site (imt) is helemaal niet spannend, dus eigenlijk raar dat het nu opeens problemen geeft.
11:59 <+MrHairgrease> er gaat iets mis in het collab system
11:59 <+MrHairgrease> de archiveOldPosts workflow breekt
11:59 <+MrHairgrease> \ik ga proberen die even uit te zetten in de config
12:00 < lenthamen> ok
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12:05 < WebGUI> mogge
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12:05 <+MrHairgrease> len
12:05 <+MrHairgrease> hij gaat ook hier stuk
12:05 <+MrHairgrease>  return $avatarUrl unless
12:05  * SynQ Koen
12:05 <+MrHairgrease> $self->getThread->getParent->getValue("avatarsEnabled");
12:06 <+MrHairgrease> hij zegt dat $self->getThread->getParent undef is
12:06 <+MrHairgrease> dus ik denk dat je assettree geborked is ofzo
12:06 < SynQ> hoe heet len?
12:06 < SynQ> op irk?
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12:12 < SynQ> hi joeri
12:12 < dapperedodo> hi
12:13 < SynQ> I guess the feedinglanguage is greesh here
12:13 < SynQ> :)
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12:20 < lenthamen> Martin: Ik heb je gemaild.
12:20 <+MrHairgrease> ok
12:21 <+MrHairgrease> ok i logged on
13:53 < SynQ> brb
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14:07 <+MrHairgrease> len check your email
14:08 < lenthamen> Yes I saw it... 
14:08 < lenthamen> cool you fixed the first problem.
14:08 < lenthamen> where was the thread asset ?
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14:09 < lenthamen> going to have lunch. ttyl.
14:09 < i4n> oke doei len
14:10 < i4n> i mean
14:10 < i4n> ok cya len
14:12 <+MrHairgrease> I think it is now on the clipboard
14:37 < lenthamen> martin: Admin's clipboard?
14:38 <+MrHairgrease> yes
14:38 < lenthamen> martin: This issue, is that a bug ? I mean, is it reproducable ?
14:38 <+MrHairgrease> I dunno
14:39 <+MrHairgrease> but it is a bug
14:39 <+MrHairgrease> it is under the IQL55 perimeter
14:39 <+MrHairgrease> which is on the clipboard
14:39 <+MrHairgrease> you have to paste it somewhere to go to it
14:40 < lenthamen> Could you reply on my bug report with the details so it can get fixed ?
14:41 < lenthamen> http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/can39t-call-method-quotgetvaluequot#NsILMqRIN6yXKSdnTUee0w
14:42 <+MrHairgrease> ok but later
14:42 <+MrHairgrease> bbl
14:48 < lenthamen> martin: Is spectre still dieing ?
14:52 < i4n> martin left to a graduation party len
14:56 < lenthamen>  ok tnx i4n
14:56 < i4n> np
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15:43 < lenthamen> ian: Kan ik doorgeven dat IMT website weer werkt ? 
15:46 < i4n> eh
15:46 < i4n> als het weer werkt dan wel :)
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17:43 < ckotil> Anyone familiar w/ webgui's groupware capabilities? 
17:44 <+MrHairgrease> not really
17:44 <+MrHairgrease> by groupware you mean sharing calendars and stuff right?
17:44 < ckotil> Id like to have a file repository and task manager. ive found the collaboration system/mesage boards to fulfil  the role of the file depository but its heiarchachal structure is limited. the task management function is fine.
17:44 < ckotil> yeah, partially
17:45 < ckotil> inside a message board asset users can add new forums
17:45 < ckotil> but we need at least 3 heirachal levels. so that would mean adding a new message board asset each time to get those 3 levels. as far as i can tell
17:45 <+MrHairgrease> ok so what are you missing in the collab system?
17:45 < ckotil> im about to post to the etc.. forum asking this.
17:45 <+MrHairgrease> oh
17:45 < ckotil> unlimited heiarchy  levels
17:46 < ckotil> to better organize our files.
17:46 <+MrHairgrease> it's probably a good idea to post it on the boaard
17:46 <+MrHairgrease> Or maybe you can submit a rfe
17:47 <+MrHairgrease> and use karma to get it implemented
17:47 <+MrHairgrease> however
17:47 <+MrHairgrease> afaik there's a code freeze for some significant amaount of time
17:47 <+MrHairgrease> just to get 7.0.0 the best webgui ever
17:47 < ckotil> that'd take some time. ive got a week ;] . yeah and the feature freeeze
17:47 <+MrHairgrease> yeah
17:47 <+MrHairgrease> i meant feature freeze
17:47 < ckotil> wg is by far the best open source cms ive used yet
17:47 <+MrHairgrease> not code freeze
17:48 <+MrHairgrease> it's hard to fix bugs with a code freeze in effect =)
17:48 < ckotil> we currently use this app bscw for document repository 
17:48 < ckotil> ;]
17:48 <+MrHairgrease> I thingk so too
17:48 <+MrHairgrease> however
17:48 <+MrHairgrease> I never used another cms
17:48 <+MrHairgrease> so I do not have much of a choice
17:48 < ckotil> i used mambo/joomla in the past extensively
17:48 <+MrHairgrease> not that that bothers me =)
17:48 <+MrHairgrease> yeah
17:48 <+MrHairgrease> ?
17:48 < ckotil> wg group access control blows mambo out of the water
17:49 <+MrHairgrease> what's the part that wg does  better
17:49 < ckotil> thats the main reason i switched
17:49 <+MrHairgrease> ok
17:49 < ckotil> and its easy to change anything you want in wg
17:49 <+MrHairgrease> yeah
17:49 <+MrHairgrease> i know
17:49 <+MrHairgrease> the api rocks
17:50 < ckotil> for sure.
17:50 <+MrHairgrease> are you a programmer?
17:50 < ckotil> we integrated out central authentication service into it.
17:51 < ckotil> not really
17:51 <+MrHairgrease> if so you can prolly extend the collab system
17:51 < ckotil> a web developer
17:51 <+MrHairgrease> to change the hierchy
17:51 <+MrHairgrease> oh ok
17:51 <+MrHairgrease> the post it to the board i'd say
17:51 < ckotil> yeah.  ill do that now
17:52 <+MrHairgrease> ok. good luck
17:54 <+MrHairgrease> afk
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17:55 < lenthamen> Martin ?
17:55 < bartjol> hij staat achter me
17:56 < lenthamen> geef 'm ff een schop dan ;)
17:56 <+MrHairgrease> laat maar
17:56 < bartjol> hij is wel lief
17:56 <+MrHairgrease> engels?
17:56 <+MrHairgrease> what is, len?
17:58 < lenthamen> Martin, something weird is going on.
17:58 <+MrHairgrease> i msged you
18:01 <+MrHairgrease> len?
18:02 < lenthamen> martin: I mailed you
18:02 < lenthamen> something is going wrong with the private messaging.
18:02 <+MrHairgrease> ok
18:02 <+MrHairgrease> pls wait
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18:08 < lenthamen> martin you dont get what I'm /msg ing you, right ?
18:09 <+MrHairgrease> no
18:09 <+MrHairgrease> do you have msn?
18:09 <+MrHairgrease> never mind
18:09 < lenthamen> yep: len_blabla@hotmai.com
18:09 <+MrHairgrease> i'll caal you
18:09 < lenthamen> +l
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22:21 < cheecheeo> does anyone know off the top of their head how much webgui interacts with the file system once it's up and running? Specificall writes to the file system?
22:25 < ckotil> data/www/public/uploads it writes to quite a bit
22:26 < ckotil> when adding new assets that is
22:27 < cheecheeo> does it write using the hashified names that are all over the place?
22:33 < ckotil> yes
22:35 < cheecheeo> cool, we're thinking we're going to use LVS to have a failover/loadbalanced webgui system and LVS uses nfs mounts for all it's shared data so that's why i was asking
22:37 < ckotil> nice
22:41 < ckotil> Are there any resources online that contain the items specific to wG that go inside the html::template variables in wG? im looking to use dreamweaver and .dwt's to design my template.
22:41 < ckotil> bc i think you have to define all the wG specefic variables to dreamweaver. i dunno im very uncleaar on this process
22:57 < ckotil> where would i find <tmpl_var icon.small> ? icon.small
23:23 < ckotil> ./extras/assets/small/folder.gif
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07:51 < mogaal> Hi, i hace a Question
07:51 < mogaal> WebGUI is developed under CGI?
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00:23 < jose17111> hello
00:24 < jose17111> anyone up?
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06:19 < snapcoun1> come work with me!!!!!!!
06:24 < Radix-wrk> you a contractor snapcoun1?
06:24 < snapcoun1> no
06:24 < snapcoun1> I'm FT
06:24 < Radix-wrk> or one of the plainblack staff?
06:25 < snapcoun1> I'm a staffer
06:25 < snapcoun1> I also go by the name Roy Johnson
06:25 < snapcoun1> it's just an alias =)
06:25 < Radix-wrk> Ahh k :)
06:25 < snapcoun1> hehe
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12:13 < jose17111> hello
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22:10 < ckotil> Thanks crythias. I tried making a package of the asset some time last week, and i couldnt figure it out. I must have overlooked the 'packages' box in the asset menu. 
22:10 < ckotil> that was too easy.
22:47 <+crythias> heh
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18:31 < maxscience> hi
18:31 <+MrHairgrease> hi
18:32 < maxscience> I'm looking for a quote :)
18:32 <+MrHairgrease> for the forum auth thing?
18:32 < maxscience> exactly.. Not really a forum but anyway
18:33 <+MrHairgrease> yeah I know what you mean
18:33 <+MrHairgrease> If you want to hire Procolix
18:33 <+MrHairgrease> please send an email to management@procolix.com
18:33 <+MrHairgrease> containg the work you are quoting for
18:34 <+MrHairgrease> please also include urls to the api of the gossamer product
18:35 < maxscience> well gossamer APIs are inside the code so you have to download and install the product (just plain perl anyway)
18:35 <+MrHairgrease> ok
18:35 <+MrHairgrease> so provide a url to the place where the product can be downloaded =)
18:36 < maxscience> sure :) did that on the forum too
18:36 <+MrHairgrease> oh sorry
18:36 <+MrHairgrease> probably overlooked that
18:36 <+MrHairgrease> where are you located, btw?
18:37 < maxscience> Rome, Italy
18:37 < maxscience> and you? NL?
18:37 <+MrHairgrease> yeah
18:38 < maxscience> k email sent
18:38 <+MrHairgrease> all right
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20:48 < maxscience> hi
20:48 < ckotil> hi
20:49 < maxscience> are you a perl programmer?
20:49 < ckotil> i dabble
21:01 < maxscience> how do  you use WebGUI ?
21:09 < ckotil> conventional way
21:09 < ckotil> apache+mod_perl mysql
21:10 < ckotil> Im trying to figure out how to add borders to articles
21:10 < ckotil> simliar to slashdot. sort of. same idea anyway
21:11 < ckotil> looks like class="content" is where i need to add it. and the article asset.
21:31 < ckotil> hrm might have uncovered a bug. or it could just be how wG handles changes to 'import node'assets
21:33 < ckotil> i made an edit to the default article asset (i made a copy first and edited it) then set article to use that copy. It took a good 2-5 mionutes for the change to appear. is that spectre.pl that handles those kind of changes?
21:33 < ckotil> any other changes i make to content are almost isntant.
21:42 < xdanger> cache?
21:47 < maxscience> xdanger, read my reply?
21:51 < xdanger> yup
21:51 < xdanger> there are some bb codes implemented (at least was at some point)
21:52 < maxscience> :)
21:52 < xdanger> mainly [b] and such...
21:52 < xdanger> btw, only reason that I use camino, is webgui ;)
21:52 < xdanger> for wverything else safari
21:52 < maxscience> you're on mac too?
21:53 < maxscience> it should have full Safari support!
21:53 < xdanger> yeah
21:53 < xdanger> you can bitch about that to moxiocode people ;)
21:54 < xdanger> moxiecode that is, sorry =)
21:54 < xdanger> http://tinymce.moxiecode.com/
21:54 < maxscience> Done already ;)
21:55 < xdanger> I belive your not the only one ;)
21:55 < maxscience> it's not just TinyMCE btw.. Dragging assets doesn't work too with Safari (we can't use the Dashboard with Safari)
21:55 < xdanger> But they have stated that they'll be waiting on apple to fix safari
21:55 < maxscience> yeah I know. Typical developer attitude lol
21:56 < xdanger> .. and not doing some weird voodoo to get safari working...
21:56 < xdanger> at one point they did have full safari support, but they dropped it
21:56 < xdanger> Funny thing because I belive that JT also uses mac ;)
21:56 < maxscience> the community also donated a mac mini!
21:57 < maxscience> yeah nice to have a Mac distribution of the WRE
21:58 < xdanger> just that macs are slow.. we'll if you don't have a quad G5 or a new dual core laptop
21:59 < xdanger> my main computer is a 1G ibook G4, so it's not fun to run WRE on this..
22:01 < maxscience> yeah. I've got a dual G5 and a new 17" Mac Book Pro
22:02 < maxscience> new macs are very performing
22:04 < ckotil> im on a new intel imac
22:04 < ckotil> its slick
22:04 < ckotil> i run windows through parallels too
22:04 < xdanger> I'd like to have one...
22:04 < maxscience> nice
22:04 < maxscience> you don't use mac os x?
22:04 < ckotil> big ass widescreeen
22:04 < ckotil> i do.
22:05 < maxscience> good ;)
22:05 < ckotil> then i run tis virtual machine app called parallels
22:05 < ckotil> which runs windows
22:05 < maxscience> Yeah I know it
22:05 < ckotil> dual monitors
22:05 < ckotil> its beautiful
22:05 < ckotil> windows on one , osx on the other
22:07 < ckotil> osx 10.5 will suppoort windows binaries natively
22:07 < ckotil> cant wait for that
22:08 < maxscience> not true
22:08 < maxscience> false rumor
22:08 < ckotil> damn
22:08 < maxscience> They will just incorporate BootCamp technology which will be final... But no virtualization yet. And this is good, better to leave it to parallelis
22:09 < maxscience> I can occasionallly boot Windows. That's all I need
22:11 < maxscience> where are you from?
22:12 < xdanger> finland
22:22 < ckotil> indiana, USA
22:25 < xdanger> Do you guys know anything about streaming videos?
22:26 < xdanger> A good solution ? FOSS...
22:26 < maxscience> I run streaming videos on an Xserve. QuickTime Streaming Server is the best solution imho
22:27 < maxscience> Also provides remote content management system and video publish on web and on Mac OS X app
22:27 < xdanger> must be something thats free and can run on linux
22:28 < maxscience> it's actually free. Comes with Mac OS X Server
22:28 < xdanger> that's not free =)
22:28 < maxscience> but there's the open source equivalent of QuickTime Streaming Server you can deploy on Linux and Windows boxes. It's Darwing Streaming Server, always from Apple
22:29 < maxscience> basically same thing but no pretty web interface and mac os x content management app
22:29 < maxscience> afterall, it's free ehehe
22:31 < maxscience> nothing to reply now? eheh
22:32 < xdanger> That I know... Just would like to have something "little"
22:32 < maxscience> whatever ;D
22:33 < maxscience> another alternative http://www.videolan.org/streaming/
22:34 < xdanger> that was my other alternative =P
22:35 < maxscience> brb
22:35 < xdanger> and this is one alternative: http://www.mpeg4ip.net/
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23:28 < maxscience> gtg c ya!
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06:51  * PedersenMJ is having an issue with WebGui 7, and spectre not being able to communicate with it. If anybody has ability to help, I'd appreciate it.
06:55  * PedersenMJ found it. Was trying to connect to the external address, not the internal one.
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12:47 < maxscience> hi
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19:45 < ckotil> aw
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20:35 < maxscience> Hi ckotil
20:35 < maxscience> I saw your reply about the CAS RFE... Many thanks!
20:50 < maxscience> does it work on WebGUI 7?
20:58 < ckotil> yeah
20:58 < ckotil> i use it now
20:59 < ckotil> it works flawlessly. i know that it doesnt meet wG standards tho. there are a lot of useless functions in that module
20:59 < ckotil> it'd be nice for a wG developer to take a look at it. possibly tweak it
21:00 < maxscience> can I ask who developed it?
21:00 < ckotil> myself and my coworker 
21:00 < ckotil> it wasnt hard.
21:00 < ckotil> we had plenty of CAS examples to help us
21:00 < maxscience> ah :) so why built useless functions?
21:00 < ckotil> and ive implemented CAS in the past
21:01 < ckotil> we copied WebGUI.pm and worked from there
21:01 < maxscience> have you read my "dev wanted" thread?
21:01 < ckotil> i used php in the past tho. but it wasnt very differnet in perl
21:01 < ckotil> yes.
21:01 < ckotil> im already employeed. ;]
21:01 < ckotil> it'd be a conflict of inteterest
21:01 < maxscience> do you think your method could apply?
21:01 < ckotil> geocommunity seems similiar to CAS
21:01 < ckotil> pry wouldnt be much of a stretch
21:02 < maxscience> why you couldn't do that for me too then? :)
21:02 < ckotil> against the rules
21:03 < maxscience> ok :)
21:03 < maxscience> anyway you need to deploy that java CAS you linked first?
21:04 < ckotil> huh?
21:05 < maxscience> this one http://www.ja-sig.org/products/cas/
21:05 < ckotil> ah yes. they maintain CAS
21:07 < ckotil> I work for indiana university
21:08 < ckotil> and our implementation of CAS is a little differnet than the standard yale/jasig CAS
21:09 < ckotil> yale developed CAS
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21:23 < maxscience> yeah
21:23 < maxscience> can I see for which section of the Indiana University website you're using WebGUI?
21:29 < ckotil> http://newt.grnoc.iu.edu/webgui
21:30 < ckotil> to replace http://globalnoc.iu.edu
21:30 < ckotil> we outsourced the website design to a local designer.
21:30 < ckotil> they did that before i came on board
21:30 < ckotil> kinda pissed me off
21:30 < ckotil> its gonna be hell turning her design into a wG template
21:31 < ckotil> but i think ill be able to manage
21:37 < maxscience> I see
21:37 < maxscience> the CAS login/logout images are static though
21:39 < ckotil> bc you dont have an iu login
21:39 < ckotil> you can sign up for a guest account some how
21:39 < ckotil> and i can add you to webgui user list and you can log in
21:40 < maxscience> they're not like webgui anyway.. Logout happens just if you're logged in, etc.
21:40 < maxscience> Logout appears
21:40 < ckotil> logout is always there bc i want users to be able to logout of CAS anytime
21:40 < ckotil> login goes away when you're logged in
21:41 < maxscience> oh ok
21:41 < ckotil> the goal is to haev a unified login system
21:41 < ckotil> and throughout the university system they all use CAS
21:41 < ckotil> so users are used to having a logout button
21:41 < maxscience> but you can't logout if you're not logged in so... :)
21:41 < maxscience> ah yes you mean with other university apps
21:42 < ckotil> good point.
21:42 < maxscience> :D
21:42 < ckotil> lol. i havent had any criticism or use on this system yet
21:42 < ckotil> ;]
21:42 < maxscience> eheh
21:43 < ckotil> hrm see that brings  up another issue. wG should automatically check with the CAS server to see if the user is already authenticated
21:43 < ckotil> but then again, if for some reason the user doesnt want to authenticate with wG
21:43 < ckotil> bleh , i think its ok the way it is
21:44 < ckotil> 1 click login is nice. i know that much.
21:44 < maxscience> that's what I said so far ;)
21:44 < ckotil> *1 click , if you already authenticated w/ CAS 
21:44 < ckotil> it keeps you logged into the system for 8 hours
21:44 < maxscience> yeah just like kerberos
21:44 < ckotil> so in those 8 hours you can access any univeristy system that you have priveleges too
21:45 < ckotil> yeah we run CAS on top of kerberos
21:56 < maxscience> gtg bye!
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23:13 < ckotil> so whats a good amount of karma? 
23:13 < ckotil> is 500 good?
23:26 < ckotil> im anxious for the wG gear
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00:25 < jose_17_11> hello, ping anyone?
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11:31 < maxscience> hi
11:37 < jose_17_11> hi
11:39 < maxscience> you're a perl programmer?
11:46 < Radix-wrk> hiya
11:46 < maxscience> you're a perl programmer?
11:47 < Radix-wrk> nope.. I wish
11:48 < Radix-wrk> I'm a programmer, but my knowledge of perl is still very basic unfortunately
11:48 < Radix-wrk> sorry :(
11:50 < maxscience> np :)
11:53 < jose_17_11> maxscience: not at all
11:54 < jose_17_11> guys, which linux distribution is best for use w/ webgui?
11:54 < maxscience> Mac OS X ;)
11:54 < jose_17_11> i have tested both slackware and archlinux and it is such a pain to install perl modules w/ CPAN
11:54 < maxscience> not really linux but unix
11:54 < jose_17_11> dependency hell
11:54 < maxscience> they recommend Mac OS X too
11:54 < jose_17_11> maybe therefore i put it as a linux not unix distribution
11:55 < jose_17_11> oh well.. on an intel hardware..
11:56 < maxscience> Apple hardware is now based on Intel anyway ;)
11:57 < jose_17_11> yes but this is the opposite case
12:07 < Radix-wrk> I use debian
12:07 < jose_17_11> Radix-wrk: seems like a reasonable choice
12:08 < Radix-wrk> in most cases I can apt-get the perl packages I need and it handles all of the dependencies for me
12:08 < Radix-wrk> and once installed - apt-get upgrade will keep them uptodate
12:08 < jose_17_11> hmm.. yes, i'd like that
12:08 < Radix-wrk> only downside is that most of the packages webgui uses are quite new - and only in the 'testing' version of debian
12:09 < jose_17_11> so i'd have to unmask/uncomment testing repository, that's all, right?
12:09 < Radix-wrk> which is a slightly more volatile and more updated version of debian
12:09 < Radix-wrk> yeah
12:09 < Radix-wrk> The way I've always done it is to run testEnvironment.pl that comes with webgui
12:10 < Radix-wrk> once it brings up a package it doesn't have I do an apt-cache search <name> for it
12:10 < Radix-wrk> 9/10 it's in the apt repository
12:11 < jose_17_11> and the remaining 10 % via CPAN install, ay?
12:11 < Radix-wrk> yup.. though.. there's a guy who has written some additional debian packages for those that debian doesn't have as yet
12:11 < Radix-wrk> http://deb.cyberdiscordia.org/
12:12 < Radix-wrk> that includes all of the packages needed for webgui 7
12:12 < jose_17_11> hmm.. impressive
12:12 < jose_17_11> time to dump arch (?)
12:13 < Radix-wrk> I've never used archlinux myself
12:13 < jose_17_11> slackware-based/like
12:13 < Radix-wrk> the other way is using the WRE - which builds everything for webgui
12:13 < Radix-wrk> I've just never had much luck with building it on debian
12:14 < Radix-wrk> got a copy of fedora here that I was going to try it on sometime, as there is a prebuilt package for Redhat
12:14 < jose_17_11> i have tried WRE but w/o luck either
12:14 < Radix-wrk> since I use debian for every other system here in the office, I'm keen to keep things simple and stick with what I know tho
12:16 < Radix-wrk> anyhow.. I'm off home :)
12:16 < jose_17_11> so you do a manual debian install everytime?
12:16 < Radix-wrk> every time?
12:16 < Radix-wrk> only got one webgui system
12:17 < Radix-wrk> If you do want to clone it - you can use dpkg --get-selections > package.list to grab the complete list of packages on that system
12:17 < Radix-wrk> and then go to the new debian system and type 'dpkg --set-selections < package.list'
12:18 < Radix-wrk> then do an apt-get dselect-upgrade and it will download every package on that list and install it
12:18 < Radix-wrk> apt-get rocks ;)
12:18 < Radix-wrk> I did that to create my virtual machine test bed that I've been using to test our site with webgui 7
12:19 < jose_17_11> i will give archlinux one more day.. and then
12:19 < Radix-wrk> Good luck! :)
12:19 < jose_17_11> thank you
12:19 < Radix-wrk> I'm off home now.. been a long day
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18:49 < maxscience> hi
18:51 <+MrHairgrease> hi
18:52 < maxscience> any news on the plugin? :)
18:52 <+MrHairgrease> I dunno
18:52 <+MrHairgrease> I'm just the minion =)
18:52 < maxscience> k
18:52 <+MrHairgrease> Could take  at least a week or two before you hear something
18:52 <+MrHairgrease> most of the management is on hollidays 
18:53 <+MrHairgrease> sorry that I forgot to tell you that last time
18:53 < maxscience> oh
18:53 < maxscience> could you estimate a quote?
18:53 <+MrHairgrease> no
18:53 <+MrHairgrease> what is your budget?
18:54 < maxscience> very low unfortunately... non-profit website
18:54 <+MrHairgrease> very low is what $100?
18:55 <+MrHairgrease> $200?
18:55 <+MrHairgrease> $1? =)
18:55 < maxscience> yeah about 100
18:55 <+MrHairgrease> I don't think we can do it for that
18:55 <+MrHairgrease> sorry
18:56 < maxscience> Probably 200 but I don't think more than that
18:56 <+MrHairgrease> I think that won't make it either
18:57 < maxscience> so you do have an estimate.. What it is?
18:57 <+MrHairgrease> No I don't
18:57 < maxscience> bah
18:57 <+MrHairgrease> but I know that $ 200 wil probably buy you 2 - 3hours of my time
18:57 <+MrHairgrease> so I think I won't be able to do it in that
18:58 <+MrHairgrease> Also
18:58 <+MrHairgrease> please understand that I don not rake in the deals here
18:58 <+MrHairgrease> I'm a programmer
18:58 < maxscience> well probably 3 hours are enough... Look here http://www.plainblack.com/rfe/request-for-enhancement/central-authentication-service
18:58 <+MrHairgrease> parttime
18:59 <+MrHairgrease> maybe 
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19:00 < jose_17_11> hella
19:00 <+MrHairgrease> I don't see how this is related to the gossamer product
19:00 < jose_17_11> http://195.113.96.198
19:00 <+MrHairgrease> and it aparently already exeists
19:00 < jose_17_11> this is supposed to be a webgui running server
19:01 <+MrHairgrease> hmmm
19:01 <+MrHairgrease> i dunno
19:01 < jose_17_11> WTF is 'It works?'
19:01 <+MrHairgrease> webgui server should look diffrent imho =)
19:01 < maxscience> it is related.. It's an auth module that could be very similar to the one for gossamer community
19:01 <+MrHairgrease> what have you done?
19:01 <+MrHairgrease> yeah
19:01 <+MrHairgrease> could be
19:01 < maxscience> I guess it's just the wre's apache
19:02 <+MrHairgrease> anyway, for a quote please wait on the reply of my bosses.
19:02 <+MrHairgrease> did you already create a site jose?
19:02 < maxscience> k
19:03 < jose_17_11> i have pretty mutched followed this howto http://www.plainblack.com/gentoo_linux
19:03 < jose_17_11> not everything tho, cause.. i am running archlinux not gentoo
19:03 < jose_17_11> testEnvir went fine
19:04 <+MrHairgrease> that's a start
19:04 <+MrHairgrease> which webgui did you try to install
19:04 <+MrHairgrease> ?
19:04 < jose_17_11> 7.0.0
19:05 <+MrHairgrease> ok
19:05 <+MrHairgrease> It looks like your webserver is sending a standard page
19:05 < jose_17_11> seems so
19:05 <+MrHairgrease> and not webgui
19:05 <+MrHairgrease> did you configure your virtual host section correctly?
19:06 < jose_17_11> MrHairgrease: am i supposed to be at least somewhat familiar w/ apache configuring?
19:06 <+MrHairgrease> that would help
19:06 <+MrHairgrease> can you paste your httpd.conf
19:06 <+MrHairgrease> on rafb.net?
19:06 < jose_17_11> is it any safe?
19:06 <+MrHairgrease> then i'll have a quick look
19:06 <+MrHairgrease> why not?
19:07 < jose_17_11> just asking
19:07 <+MrHairgrease> you don't have sensitive data in there right?
19:07 <+MrHairgrease> one question
19:07 <+MrHairgrease> did you specify a server name for you vhost?
19:09 < jose_17_11> http://rafb.net/paste/results/x9lheL25.html
19:09 < jose_17_11> theres nothing as of now
19:09 < jose_17_11> now you are talking a bit complicated language
19:09 <+MrHairgrease> hmm
19:10 < jose_17_11> a network administration cookbook is to be seen yet
19:10 <+MrHairgrease> well this does not tell me much
19:10 <+MrHairgrease> did you do any editing of httpd.conf?
19:10 <+MrHairgrease> or other apache configuration?
19:13 < jose_17_11> this is httpd.conf
19:13 <+MrHairgrease> yeah
19:13 < jose_17_11> i have not made any other edits
19:13 <+MrHairgrease> but there's nothing webgui releated in there
19:13 <+MrHairgrease> you should tell apache that it has to serve webgui
19:14 < jose_17_11> like DocumentRoot /opt/apache/WebGUI/www ?
19:14 <+MrHairgrease> not quite
19:14 <+MrHairgrease> wait a minute pls
19:16 < jose_17_11> take your time
19:18 <+MrHairgrease> http://rafb.net/paste/results/PoEKJK70.html
19:18 <+MrHairgrease> try to put that above the includes in your apache conf
19:19 <+MrHairgrease> substiute all the paths for the ones in your situation
19:19 <+MrHairgrease> and also edit preload.perl and set the correct path in that file
19:19 <+MrHairgrease> at the top
19:19 <+MrHairgrease> gotta go now
19:19 <+MrHairgrease> but i'll be back later 
19:19 <+MrHairgrease> probably at least
19:19 <+MrHairgrease> good luck.
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21:19 <+MrHairgrease> jose
21:19 <+MrHairgrease> did you get it to work?
21:19 < jose_17_11> hello, thank you for your concern
21:19 < jose_17_11> well.. not really
21:19 < jose_17_11> but i'll get to that
21:20 <+MrHairgrease> oh
21:20 <+MrHairgrease> that's too bad
21:20 < jose_17_11> first i put your few lines to the beginning of my httpd.conf.. restarted apache (apachectl restart). no change
21:20 < jose_17_11> then i put them somewhere i thought that would be better
21:20 < jose_17_11> nada..
21:21 <+MrHairgrease> are you sure that's the conf file your apache is using?
21:21 < jose_17_11> so what i have done finally was i took a httpd.conf from a running server (i want to migrate from) and correct the paths to webgui
21:21 <+MrHairgrease> oh wait
21:21 <+MrHairgrease> the beginning?
21:21 < jose_17_11> oh well.. not quite sure
21:21 <+MrHairgrease> bettr put them somewhere at the end
21:21 < jose_17_11> i'll do that
21:21 <+MrHairgrease> and try commenting out the include directive
21:21 <+MrHairgrease> directives*
21:23 < jose_17_11> what do you mean by include directives? i see no 'include' keyword
21:24 <+MrHairgrease> Include
21:24 <+MrHairgrease> at the end of your httpd.conf
21:24 <+MrHairgrease> somewhere
21:25 < jose_17_11> hmm. ok
21:25 < jose_17_11> i guess this might be interesting. from console stdout:
21:25 < jose_17_11> httpd: apr_sockaddr_info_get() failed for myhost
21:25 < jose_17_11> httpd: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName
21:26 <+MrHairgrease> did you use a ServerName directive in het virtualhost declaration?
21:26 <+MrHairgrease> it does say btw.
21:26 <+MrHairgrease> that you're editing the right file
21:27 <+MrHairgrease> can you paste the contents of you current file?
21:27 < jose_17_11> ServerName my.domain.com
21:27 < jose_17_11> i sure can
21:27 <+MrHairgrease> try making it a domain-name that exists
21:27 <+MrHairgrease> the name of your site
21:27 <+MrHairgrease> maybe that helps
21:28 <+MrHairgrease> still, paste your conf though
21:29 < jose_17_11> gimme a sec
21:29 < jose_17_11> please
21:29 <+MrHairgrease> sure
21:31 < jose_17_11> http://phpfi.com/130936
21:31 < jose_17_11> my site does not have a DNS entry
21:31 < jose_17_11> btw how did you know that we are editing the right file?
21:31 <+MrHairgrease> b/c the output of the httpd changes
21:32 < jose_17_11> uhm, aha.. well, i am not any wiser. but nevermind
21:33 <+MrHairgrease> do you see something else being output?
21:33 <+MrHairgrease> like starting webgui 7.0.0?
21:34 < jose_17_11> nope
21:34 < jose_17_11> what you see is what i get
21:34 < jose_17_11> after # apachectl restart
21:35 <+MrHairgrease> what does /var/log/httpd/error_log say?
21:36 < jose_17_11> there is none
21:36 <+MrHairgrease> weird
21:36 < jose_17_11> yes, i am a disaster
21:37 <+MrHairgrease> please remove the first LoadModule perl_module line frm the config
21:37 <+MrHairgrease> also comment out the Inlcude httpd-default.conf line
21:38 < jose_17_11> oops, i must have missed that one
21:38 < jose_17_11> http://195.113.96.198/ -- nichts
21:39 <+MrHairgrease> remove the servername directive in the virtualhost
21:39 < jose_17_11> gone
21:39 < jose_17_11> anything else?
21:40 <+MrHairgrease> dunno
21:40 <+MrHairgrease> try and see
21:40 <+MrHairgrease> it is very hard to do this kind of stuff through irc
21:40 < jose_17_11> MrHairgrease: may i priv msg you?
21:40 <+MrHairgrease> sure
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22:02 <+crythias> hm
22:06 < maxscience> hi
22:07 <+crythias> hi
22:08  * crythias disclaims that he is not an employee, shill, or advertisement bug for WebGUI.
22:09 < maxscience> lol
22:09 <+crythias> btw... I also claim that digg.com is depressing.
22:09 <+crythias> So much so that I will endevour not to return.
22:09 < ckotil> i dont go to it
22:09 < jose1711> hi crythias
22:10 <+crythias> hey jose
22:10 < maxscience> deploying my WRE tomorrow ;)
22:10 < jose1711> so after all i am going to switch to CENTOS, cause archlinux is just no good when it comes to perl packages
22:10 <+crythias> digg reminds me how much democracy stinks :)
22:10 < maxscience> switch to Mac OS X man ;)
22:11 <+MrHairgrease> later guys
22:11 < ckotil> i do like osx.
22:11 < jose1711> l8r
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22:11 < jose1711> maxscience: you just don't stop teasing me
22:11 < ckotil> darwin ports is amazing
22:12 < jose1711> let's make a deal. you are going to buy me an apple hw and i am going to run webgui on mac os x, ok?
22:12 <+crythias> freebsd is the kewl thing. all the snobby people are using it. 
22:12  * crythias disclaims that he may or may not be included as snobby because he uses FreeBSD
22:12 < maxscience> expensive apple hardware is just a myth man. Do a right comparison and you'll see how cheap they are
22:12 < ckotil> i have 2 fbsd machines at home
22:12 < ckotil> i love it
22:12 < jose1711> maxscience: ok, then just persuade my boss
22:13 < ckotil> and osx has some bsd in it
22:13 < jose1711> bits and pieces
22:13 < maxscience> so often bosses are ignorant :D
22:13 < ckotil> my boss bought me a new 21" imac ;]
22:13 < ckotil> intel dup
22:13 < ckotil> duo*
22:13 < maxscience> well gtg guys! C ya later
22:13 < ckotil> i was neevr a mac man til recently
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22:14 < ckotil> next machine i by will be a mac
22:15 <+crythias> http://www.nextag.com/mac-mini/search-html
22:15 < ckotil> bad link?
22:16 <+crythias> is that right? 2MB ram?
22:16 <+crythias> http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process?Product_Id=4089316&JRSource=nextag.datafeed.APP+MA206LL%2fA
22:17 <+crythias> at $800, not bad
22:17 < ckotil> ya price is right
22:17 < ckotil> tho id opt for a faster chip. im running the 2ghz duo
22:18 < ckotil> w/ 1 gig ram . and it barely runs windows through a virtual machine without slowdown
22:18 < ckotil> if im running say dreamweaver or photoshop and windows. it  has terrible lag
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02:01 < cheecheeo> has anyone used commerce effectively with webgui?
02:01 <+perlDreamer> I've seen people on the boards who have used it
02:02 <+perlDreamer> having problems or just wondering about usage?
02:02 < cheecheeo> perlDreamer: Usage.
02:32 <+perlDreamer> cheecheeo: have you seen the WRE on Suse bug posting?  It has some nice tips for dealing with SUSE problems.
02:39 < cheecheeo> perlDreamer: just saw that, pretty cool
02:39 <+perlDreamer> but y'all had already got the WRE up and working, right?
02:42 < cheecheeo> yeah, do you know what the product macro is? is that something other than the product Asset/content?
02:43 <+perlDreamer> yes
02:43 <+perlDreamer> the way I understand it, and I may be wrong, the Product Asset is "old" technology.
02:43 <+perlDreamer> The product macro lets you display products from the commerce system.
02:43 < cheecheeo> i see
02:44 < cheecheeo> so I need a crash course on Macros I guess
02:44 <+perlDreamer> Macros are easy
02:44 <+perlDreamer> and, coincidently, are very well documented
02:44 <+perlDreamer> ^Macro(macro_arts);
02:44 <+perlDreamer> it's safest to quote all macro arguments, using double quotes
02:45 <+perlDreamer> and no spaces between commas and quotes in argument lists
02:46 < cheecheeo> where are they documented?
02:46 <+perlDreamer> In the help system.
02:46 <+perlDreamer> admin on, Admin Console, click on the life preserver icon
02:46 <+perlDreamer> alternately, append op=viewHelp to any URL
02:47 <+perlDreamer> oh, and for more people how know the commerce system well, try snapcount or MrHairGrease
02:48 < cheecheeo> I'm not seeing the life preserver, but I'll try to append the op
02:48 <+perlDreamer> the life preserver is circular, white and red stripes alternating with a question mark in the center
02:49 < cheecheeo> i got it, I didn't the life preserver from the main admin console window though
02:49 <+perlDreamer> that's weird
02:49 <+perlDreamer> logged in as Admin?
02:50 < cheecheeo> ah, no
02:50 < cheecheeo> as a user
02:50 < cheecheeo> but with admin rights
02:51 <+perlDreamer> really weird
02:51 < cheecheeo> oh duh
02:51 <+perlDreamer> I'll have to check it out tomorrow.
02:51 < cheecheeo> i was looking for a little one off in the corner
02:51 < cheecheeo> but it's right there with all the other stuff
02:51 < cheecheeo> i see it now
02:51 <+perlDreamer> phew
02:52 <+perlDreamer> I've done a little more code scrounging
02:52 <+perlDreamer> I'm almost positive the Product Assets and Macros are unrelated
02:52 <+perlDreamer> You add products to the commerce system via the Product Manager
02:53 <+perlDreamer> and manage the commerce settings via the Commerce Manager
02:53 <+perlDreamer> Product Manager is called "Products".  Commerce Manager is "Commerce".
02:53 < cheecheeo> Cool
02:54 <+perlDreamer> also, if you find the docs sparse and learn some things, feel free to send in some doc patches.
02:55 < cheecheeo> yeah, well now that I actually know how to use the documentation, hopefully I'll be able to get this
02:55 <+perlDreamer> cool
02:55 <+perlDreamer> headin' home
02:55 <+perlDreamer> chat with you later, man
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11:06 < jose1711> ping
11:08 < Radix-wrk> pong
11:16 < jose1711> uhm.. well
11:17 < jose1711> hardly considering a switch to CentOS here.. but
11:17 < jose1711> i really do not know whether or not to repartition the disk
11:19 < jose1711> sda1 - 2500 MB
11:19 < jose1711> sda2 - swap 1 GB
11:19 < jose1711> sda3 - 7 GB
11:19 < jose1711> sda4 - 136 GB
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11:31 < Radix-wrk> heh.. I had a play with centos today too
11:31 < Radix-wrk> installed CentOS 4.3 Server CD
11:32 < Radix-wrk> unfortunately I found a bug in the RHEL4 WRE 0.7.1 setup script in doing so - MySQL doesn't seem to start!
11:33 < Radix-wrk> that hard disk setup sounds good.. 2.5GB for /boot, 1GB swap, 7GB as your system partition, and the rest is a separate data partition
11:34 < jose1711> 4.3 server DVD is what i am downloading now
11:34 < jose1711> 2.5 for /boot??
11:34 < Radix-wrk> Fair enough.. if you want a full blown server
11:34 < jose1711> i thought of 2.5 for /, 7gb for wre
11:35 < jose1711>  /boot contains just the kernel images, nope?
11:35 < Radix-wrk> 2.5GB is way too much for /boot really.. only need 100MB or so really..
11:35 < Radix-wrk> yeah.. just for kernel images
11:35 < jose1711> putting /boot onto a separate partition is a bit obsolete as i have read
11:36 < Radix-wrk> probably these days.. bit of a legacy thing I guess :)
11:36 < jose1711> ok, i am gonna repartition then, 100 MB, 9.5 gb, rest
11:36 < Radix-wrk> I just installed mine onto a virtual machine.. so wasn't too fussed about the partitions that the install did automatically :)
11:36 < jose1711> and that bug.. is it hard to fix?
11:37 < Radix-wrk> no idea, I've logged it as a bug in plainblack support and see what they say over the weekend
11:37 < jose1711> luckily centOS is officialy supported
11:37 < jose1711> i am gonna w8 then too
11:37 < Radix-wrk> I did set the SElinux stuff as active.. so perhaps that's stopping mysql from working.. dunno
11:38 < Radix-wrk> Jul 14 11:12:32 centos lsb_log_message: Couldn't find MySQL manager or server failed
11:38 < Radix-wrk> that comes up in the message logs on the machine
11:39 < Radix-wrk> no idea what it means or how to take it further
11:39 < jose1711> SElinux stuff.. is it necessary?
11:39 < Radix-wrk> probably best not to
11:39 < Radix-wrk> but if it's a production server.. hmm.. hard to say.. might prove useful
11:41 < jose1711> it is just security hardened kernel, right,
11:45 < Radix-wrk> yup
11:45 < Radix-wrk> it might very well be what's stopping the wre mysql from running :)
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11:46 < Radix-wrk> but then it might help if you're getting lots of people trying to hack into your webgui server :)
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13:27 < jose1711> please is http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/pbwebgui/wre-0.7.1-rhel4-i386.tar.gz?download compatible w/ centOS4?
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14:21 < Radix_> should be
14:21 < Radix_> centos4 is based on rhel4
14:21 < Radix_> centos3 is based on rhel3, etc
14:24 < jose1711> anyways it does not include testEnvironment.pl so i better downloaded normal wre
14:25 < jose1711> what i am doing now is running testEnvironment.pl and installing all the missing modules via CPAN. if got into a trouble, i first try to find an RPM package for CentOS and if that fails run force install. is it fine?
14:29 < Radix_> err.. the wre should include all the modules and everything you need!
14:29 < Radix_> that's the whole idea
14:29 < Radix_> you don't even need apache or anything.. just wre and webgui
14:29 < Radix_> testEnvironment is in the webgui source btw.. you still need that
14:29 < Radix_> read the instructions on how to install the wre on the plainblack site
14:30 < Radix_> good luck!.. I'm off again
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16:18 < jose1711> anyone?
16:21 < ckotil> hi
16:23 < jose1711> hi, could you please help me w/ webGUI?
16:23 < ckotil> illtry.
16:25 < jose1711> i need to reset my dbase apparently cause i am having troubles connecting it
16:25 < jose1711> when i run addsite --admin-db.. --sitename i get: Can't create database 195.113.96.198: database exists
16:25 < jose1711> access denied for user ncnlfqag@localhost
16:25 < ckotil> can you log into mysql via mysql client?
16:26 < jose1711> i'll check
16:26 < ckotil> just issue drop database webgui; create database webgui;
16:26 < ckotil> then run the webgui create tables script
16:27 < jose1711> can't connect to local mzsql server through socket 'var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock'
16:27 < ckotil> your server isnt running
16:28 < jose1711> i issued: mysql -u root localhost -p
16:28 < ckotil> thats the problem
16:28 < ckotil> yaa
16:28 < jose1711> service mysql nor mysqld did not work
16:28 < ckotil> ./mysqld_safe & 
16:28 < ckotil> need to issue that to start the server
16:28 < jose1711> from where?
16:29 < ckotil> ./usr/bin/ perhaps
16:29 < jose1711> theres nothing like that
16:29 < ckotil> issue , locate mysqld_safe
16:29 < jose1711> mysql mysqlaccess mysqladmin mysqlbinlog mysqlcheck _config dump dumpslow
16:29 < ckotil> see if that returns anything
16:30 < ckotil> are you sure the mysql server is installed?
16:30 < jose1711> webgui did work a few minutes ago
16:30 < jose1711> so i presume yes
16:30 < jose1711> updateing locate database now
16:30 < ckotil> k
16:34 < jose1711> its in /data/wre/prereqs/mysql/bin/mysqld_safe
16:34 < ckotil> oh you're running the wre
16:34 < ckotil> ive never used that ;]   i just have an idea of how it works
16:34 < ckotil> but that socket error usually means the server is not running
16:36 < jose1711> i have run ps aux | grep mysql and i see mysqld running
16:37 < jose1711> i need some fresh air. thank you, bye for now
16:49 < ckotil> search for that socket error on the forums.
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17:08 < maxscience> yo
17:11 < maxscience> someone's there?
17:13 < ckotil> yo
17:14 < maxscience> Just installed WRE and WebGUI
17:14 < maxscience> and just found another critical bug...
17:15 < maxscience> anyway how do you edit templates globally, for the whole website?
17:18 < jose1711> ckotil: still there?
17:18 < jose1711> i've just come back from luch
17:19 < jose1711> invoked ./mysql instead of mysql and seems i am in
17:19 < jose1711> anyways drop database webgui; is: can't drop database webgui; database doesn't exist
17:28 < ckotil> ya
17:29 < maxscience> I get a "Problem with request" error when trying to add an article... :(
17:29 < ckotil> maxscience: to edit templates globally you just edit the template that everypage is using.
17:29 < jose1711> ckotil: i decided to delete the whole wre folder and rerun ./setup
17:29 < jose1711> what IP addresses will WebGUI be serving requests on -- what should i give him?
17:29 < maxscience> yeah but the point is where to do that?
17:29 < ckotil> so if its the default template. that will be in root > import node > webgui style 3
17:30 < maxscience> oh k thx
17:30 < maxscience> Using the Assets menu in the Admin console?
17:30 < ckotil> jose1711: issue create database webgui;
17:30 < jose1711> ckotil: i am running the ./setup script already
17:30 < ckotil> maxscience: yes via the asset menu
17:30 < ckotil> jose1711: ok, i might be innacurate on some points ehre , since i dont use the wre
17:31 < jose1711> about that query: i'll leave default = nameserver
17:31 < jose1711> ok?
17:31 < ckotil> see i dunno. i didnt have that step
17:32 < jose1711> ok, i'll see what happens then
17:32 < maxscience> ckotil: I did go inside the WebGUI 7 Style 3 folder asset but... The Style 03 template has no Edit link!!
17:32 < maxscience> ah lol cause it's locked wait
17:33 < ckotil> make a copy of those files before you start editing
17:34 < maxscience> damn it doesn't go...
17:34 < maxscience> I edit it but when I save, I see again the locked image next to it
17:34 < jose1711> ran ./addsite --.. and can't conect to local MySQL server again
17:34 < maxscience> I committed changes but it's same as before
17:35 < ckotil> are you sure the page layout is set to use that template?
17:35 < maxscience> yes!
17:36 < ckotil> give it a minute
17:36 < ckotil> sometimes it takes a while for the changes to be seen
17:36 < ckotil> especially with templates. they arent immediate like content changes
17:36 < maxscience> bah if it's that way it's not really a great thing...
17:36 < ckotil> uhm...you shoudlnt be editing your template all the time
17:36 < maxscience> But why it becomes locked after I save it?
17:37 < ckotil> version control
17:37 < jose1711> ckotil: i created 'database webgui'
17:37 < ckotil> jose1711: next step is to run create.sql 
17:37 < maxscience> version control? But I commit my changes
17:37 < ckotil> maxscience: shouldnt be locked then. :/
17:38 < maxscience> That's what I'm saying!
17:38 < maxscience> But it's still locked
17:38 < ckotil> is spectre.pl running?
17:38 < maxscience> how do I check it?
17:38 < ckotil> ps aux | gre[ spectre.pl
17:38 < ckotil> ps aux | grep spectre.pl
17:39 < maxscience> yeah two processes
17:39 < maxscience> spectre.pl --daemon
17:39 < maxscience> and spectre.pl
17:39 < ckotil> k one is the ps aux | grep spectre.pl prcess itself.
17:39 < ckotil> the other is spectre.pl
17:39 < ckotil> so that seems fine
17:40 < ckotil> i dunno why it would still be locked after you commited the changes
17:40 < maxscience> yeah lol in fact for one it's written perl and for one grep
17:40 < ckotil> yup
17:40 < jose1711> mysqlimport webgui create.sql -p
17:40 < jose1711> Error: you have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server verion for the right syntax to use near 'create 0 LINES' at lien 1, when using table: create
17:40 < maxscience> it's a bug? I read that version 7 had many spectre related bugs
17:40 < maxscience> but I installed all the latest
17:40 < ckotil> mysql -u webgui -p webgui < create.sql
17:41 < ckotil> thats assuming your user is webgui and database name is webgui
17:41 < maxscience> there is no other way to edit those templates? I can't edit them by hand?
17:41 < ckotil> mysql -u username -p database name < create.sql
17:41 < ckotil> cant do it by hand bc its all in the database. you COULD, but itd be a pain
17:42 < ckotil> do this.
17:42 < ckotil> copy the template files
17:42 < ckotil> then edit the copies
17:42 < ckotil> and then create a new page alyout, and in the design tab choose the new template
17:42 < jose1711> and then?
17:42 < ckotil> chances are your new template wont show up in the list to choose from. in that case i forget how to add it to the list. but i figured it out in 5 minutes by tinkering with it. 
17:42 < maxscience> ok so I unlock again the template? By unlocking it I have to click on the lock image and then delete my latest revision
17:43 < ckotil> jose1711:  then yoiu should be good to go
17:43 < ckotil> assuming perload.perl is setup, and testEnvironment.pl pass
17:43 < ckotil> and your webgui.conf is ok
17:43 < ckotil> and spectre starts ;]
17:44 < jose1711> rc.webgui start hans after mod_proxy started
17:44 < ckotil> are you using the wre?
17:44 < jose1711> yes
17:44 < ckotil> crap. i may be steering you wrong then. i use the conventional method
17:45 < maxscience> there is some way I can easily change ports to WRE things (apache and mysql)? Can the setup files do that or I have to manually edit the confs?
17:45 < ckotil> port numbers?
17:45 < maxscience> yeah
17:45 < ckotil> they can easily be changed in the confs
17:46 < maxscience> yeah I know but where are they lol
17:46 < maxscience> in the prereqs folder?
17:47 < ckotil> conventional metthod... httpd.conf is the apache conf
17:47 < ckotil> im sorry. im not really of any help with the wre
17:48 < maxscience> I know that.. I already manage normal apache websites but there is no doc on the WRE structure
17:48 < ckotil> you have so much more control by not using the wre. but i can also see how it can be more difficult
17:48 < maxscience> oh k :) I guess I found it
17:48 < ckotil> hell, i didnt even know of the wre when i first stubmled onto wG a month ago
17:49 < maxscience> I run the existing website on MySQL 4 and Apache 1.3 so the WRE was the only go.. Waste of time to go for the source. If WebGUI 7 could have been deployed on apache 1.3 and mysql 4, I'd go with the source install
17:50 < ckotil> http://evhead.com/2006/07/massive-tangled-up-tubes.asp
17:50 < ckotil> ah.
17:50 < ckotil> we run Red Hat enterprise Linux Advance Server 4
17:50 < ckotil> and its pretty much all up to date
17:51 < ckotil> via redhat sattelite system
17:51 < ckotil> i never liked redhat , then i started working here..... it works.
17:56 < ckotil> i wish there was a way to recursively change who may edit assets
17:56 < maxscience> mmh I run wremonitor and it says
17:56 < ckotil> might have to RFE that
17:56 < maxscience> Spectre failed to stop!
17:56 < maxscience> Spectre started
17:56 < maxscience> Stopping spectre
17:56 < maxscience> Spectre failed to stop"!
17:56 < ckotil> wierd
17:56 < maxscience> and again and again
17:57 < maxscience> lol I did a control c but it is running again!
17:57 < maxscience> umpf I have to kill the process
17:58 < ckotil> yup
17:58 < ckotil> i added a cron job to restart it every day
17:59 < maxscience> what basically is this spectre?
17:59 < maxscience> what it does?
18:00 < ckotil> i dont know the specifics, but it does background tasks
18:00 < jose1711> ckotil: the site is up again.. but as before i do not see edit, cup, copy buttons in firefox
18:00 < ckotil> jose1711: after turning admin mode on?
18:00 < ckotil> are you logged in as admin?
18:01 < jose1711> both: yes
18:02 < ckotil> thats wierd man
18:02 < ckotil> check your webgui log for errors
18:02 < jose1711> oki
18:02 < maxscience> try to clear cookies
18:02 < ckotil> ya good call
18:02 < ckotil> wG cache's a lot
18:03 < jose1711> ok, will do
18:04 < jose1711> no, nothing
18:04 < jose1711> am i supposed to check webgui.log?
18:04 < jose1711> cause there i only see some spectre errors
18:04 < ckotil> well thats not good.
18:05 < ckotil> but i dunno if that would prevent edit buttons from showing up
18:05 < jose1711> warning, error and warning
18:05 < ckotil> does that admin bar on the left appear?
18:05 < jose1711> visitor conenction from .. attempted to make a spectre workflow runner request but we're only allowd to accept requests from ...
18:05 < jose1711> yes, it's there
18:05 < ckotil> if the edit buttons dont show up, and assuming wG is working properly that means you dont have the privelages to edit
18:05 < jose1711> may i msg you?
18:06 < ckotil> ok so your spectre isnt talking with wG right
18:06 < jose1711> i am a total n00b
18:06 < ckotil> sounds like you need to add the right ip to spectre.conf
18:06 < jose1711> even dunno what the spectre is
18:06 < ckotil> the guides tell you to add 127.0.0.1 but in my experiences i had to add the machines real ip address
18:06 < jose1711> my i priv msg you please?
18:06 < ckotil> i dont either, i just know wG uses itt
18:06 < ckotil> sure
18:08 < jose1711> do you see my message?
18:08 < ckotil> ya
18:08 < ckotil> yeah do you get my replies?
18:09 < jose1711> nope
18:09 < ckotil> o
18:09 < ckotil> bc im not registered
18:09 < ckotil> hangon
18:14 < ckotil> k im out.
18:15 < ckotil> err.
18:26 < ckotil> so one thing spectre does is pull the latest news from plainblack.com ;]
18:28 < maxscience> lol now I don't see the list I saw before when clicking on Assets
18:30 < jose1711> maxscience: still having a problem w/ locking articles?
18:31 < ckotil> sounds like u both have the same prob
18:31 < ckotil> i think the prob is spectre isnt communicating with webgui
18:31 < ckotil> in spectre.conf and webgui.conf make the spectre subnet the machines ip
18:32 < maxscience> this is buggy man...
18:32 < ckotil> heh
18:33 < maxscience> I remember JT saying that the only competitor to WebGUI is Oracle Portal LOL
18:34 < ckotil> there are other enterprise cms'
18:34 < ckotil> s
18:34 < ckotil> but as far as open source cms, wG is in a league of its own
18:34 < ckotil> version control, user/group access levels
18:34 < ckotil> doesnt exist anywhere else
18:34 < maxscience> mmh it seems that there is no spectre.conf in WRE
18:34 < ckotil> i used to use mambo/joomla till i got so fed up with group access
18:34 < ckotil> and version control.
18:35 < maxscience> yeah very nice things IF they work... So far seems buggy
18:35 < ckotil> dont blame wG
18:35 < ckotil> well you can pry blame the documentation. its a little sparse
18:36 < maxscience> I'm not talking about documentation... I'm talking about wG... I still get Bad server response and blank pages
18:36 < maxscience> could be WRE that's buggy but it's still plainblack.com
18:36 < ckotil> its not configured properly then
18:36 < ckotil> i havent had a single error lately
18:36 < maxscience> WRE setup scripts configured the thing not me
18:36 < ckotil> computers suck.
18:37 < maxscience> lol
18:37 < ckotil> dont trust em
18:37 < ckotil> ;]
18:37 < maxscience> Plainblack.com recommends using WRE man ;)
18:37 < ckotil> phuck it
18:37 < ckotil> i have more control my way
18:38 < ckotil> how's that authentication module coming along fo ryou?
18:38 < maxscience> again Problem with Request...
18:38 < ckotil> check your logs
18:38 < maxscience> waiting replies from other devs
18:39 < ckotil> you should be able to narrow down whats causing it
18:39 < maxscience> yeah but where are they in this WRE thing lol
18:39 < ckotil> i dunno
18:40 < ckotil> http://phpfi.com/131282
18:40 < ckotil> is jose1711 's problem
18:40 < ckotil> and its causing the lock problem
18:41 < ckotil> i know it
18:41 < ckotil> so i told him to remove 127.0.0.1/32 and just have 195.178.88.67/32 in the config
18:41 < ckotil> and it will work
18:41 < ckotil> i had the same problem
18:42 < ckotil> in the non wre install it exists in two places. webgui.conf and spectre.conf
18:42 < maxscience> I have specified just the real ip machine
18:42 < ckotil> both in WegGUI/etc
18:42 < ckotil> wierd.
18:42 < ckotil> so try specifying 127.0.0.1/32
18:43 < ckotil> i took the trial and error approach, and i finally got it all working
18:43 < jose1711> there is 195.113.96.198.conf - is that the one i should edit?
18:43 < jose1711> and under spectreSubnets i have 195.178.88.67/32 and 127.0.0.1/32. the first one is my DNS server
18:43 < jose1711> which one to erase?
18:44 < ckotil> hrm
18:45 < ckotil> spectreSubnets" : [ "134.68.107.105/32" ],
18:45 < ckotil>                         
18:45 < ckotil> # Define the IP Address that should be used by WebGUI to connect
18:45 < ckotil> # to Spectre. Depending upon your cluster configuration, this may
18:45 < ckotil> # or may not be the same as the information in spectreSubnets.
18:45 < ckotil>                         
18:45 < ckotil> "spectreIp" : "134.68.107.105",
18:45 < ckotil>                 
18:45 < ckotil> # Define the port number WebGUI should use to connect to Spectre
18:45 < ckotil>                         
18:45 < ckotil> "spectrePort" : 32133,
18:45 < ckotil> thats my config
18:45 < ckotil> webgui.conf
18:45 < ckotil> its all gotta be consistent
18:45 < ckotil> then in spectre.conf
18:45 < ckotil> # config-file-format: JSON 1
18:45 < ckotil> {
18:45 < ckotil> # Define the IP address that Spectre should run on. If WebGUI and
18:45 < ckotil> # Spectre are on the same machine, you should leave this as is.
18:45 < ckotil> "ip" : "134.68.107.105",
18:45 < ckotil> # Define a port for Spectre to run on between 1024 and 65000.
18:45 < ckotil> "port" : 32133,
18:48 < jose1711> changed all to 127.0.0.1 and restarted webgui
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18:48 < jose1711> could you please take a look on that locks?
18:48 -!- maxscience [n=max@acer.europhd.uniroma1.it] has joined #webgui
18:49 < ckotil> you can do it. then check your logs
18:49 < jose1711> ok
18:49 < ckotil> and ifyou still see that communications error form spectre
18:49 < ckotil> i recommend changing the ip from 127.0.0.1 to the actual ip of the machine
18:49 < ckotil> 127.0.0.1 woudlnt work for me because we use virtual hosts
18:52 < jose1711> hmm, i'll do that then
18:52 < ckotil> k
18:54 < ckotil> yikes, i got a scary error. /tmp not enough free space for the cache
18:54 < ckotil> i need to relocate my tmp dir
18:55 < jose1711> couldnt connec to Spectre because Unable to connect to 193.113.96.198:32133: Connection refused
18:55 < jose1711> firewall prob?
18:56 < ckotil> could be
18:56 < jose1711> what is the command to accept all packets?
18:56 < jose1711> iptables -j ACCEPT ... ?
18:56 < ckotil> 195.113.96.198/ is the ip you gave me earlier
18:56 < ckotil> not 193
18:56 < ckotil> ;]
18:56 < maxscience> In the wremonitor.log Spectre goes down SO often!!
18:56 < jose1711> yes, it's 195.. in the log
18:57 < ckotil> i dunno ip tables
18:57 < ckotil> ask your admin
18:57  * jose1711 is the "admin"
18:58 < ckotil> heh
18:58 < ckotil> brb
18:58 < ckotil> actually im going for lunch be back in an hour or so
19:00 < jose1711> enjoy
19:00 < jose1711> btw i used iptables -A INPUT -j ACCEPT
19:00 < jose1711> and nothing has changed
19:00 < jose1711> :-(
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19:04 < maxscience> hi
19:05 < maxscience> I'm having problems with a WRE install of WebGUI
19:05 < jose1711> what sorta?
19:06 < maxscience> lol you read so far
19:07 < ckotil> you guys have the same prob i believe 
19:08 < ckotil> im not going to lunch for another 10 minutes. 
19:09 < jose1711> were trouble-some guys
19:10 < ckotil> the cause is spectre.pl not communicating properly
19:10 < jose1711> have you reported that maxscience?
19:10 <+MrHairgrease> oh
19:10 < maxscience> yeah I see in the logs that it tries to connect to 127.0.0.1 to restart spectre
19:10 <+MrHairgrease> does spectre give an 200 OK error?
19:10 < maxscience> but I indicated my real ip when installing WRE
19:10 < maxscience> so where to change that?
19:11 <+MrHairgrease> old versions of spectre have 127.0.0.1 hardcoded
19:11 < maxscience> I have installed latest WRE and latest WebGUI
19:11 < maxscience> in the wremonitor.log I see spectre and webserver going down and down
19:12 < maxscience> then being restarted
19:12 < maxscience> and a "500 Server closed connection without sending any data back"
19:13 <+MrHairgrease> maybe it is a firewall thingy?
19:13 <+MrHairgrease> I never saw that error
19:14 < maxscience> no firewall here
19:14 < maxscience> do you know where to change the spectre 127.0.0.1 bind in WRE?
19:15 <+MrHairgrease> just grep for it
19:15 <+MrHairgrease> for starters you can just replace the ip with your own
19:16 < jose1711> spectre.conf?
19:16 <+MrHairgrease> for the hardcoded part, you should prolly check sbin/spectre.pl
19:16 <+MrHairgrease> also note that you have to set the correct ip in THREE place in webgui.conf
19:17 <+MrHairgrease> also
19:17 <+MrHairgrease> if you edit webgui.conf
19:17 <+MrHairgrease> you must stop spectre restart apache and start spectre again
19:17 <+MrHairgrease> and finally
19:17 <+MrHairgrease> when i say restart apache
19:17 <+MrHairgrease> i really mean stop and then start apache
19:18 <+MrHairgrease> or else mod_perl will leak mem
19:18 < maxscience> I have a WRE install not a source install
19:18 <+MrHairgrease> ok
19:19 <+MrHairgrease> so check the ip's
19:19 <+MrHairgrease> in  webgui.conf
19:19 <+MrHairgrease> and in spectre.pl
19:19 < jose1711> ok
19:19 <+MrHairgrease> did centos workl out btw?
19:19 < maxscience> still looking for the good webgui.conf file.. Plenty of webgui.conf.override but I guess that one is used by WRE's setup script...
19:19 < jose1711> there is no webgui.conf but 195.113.96.198.conf, is that fine?
19:20 <+MrHairgrease> it's probably in WebGUI/etc
19:20 <+MrHairgrease> oh
19:20 <+MrHairgrease> yeah that must be it
19:20 < jose1711> checked, it should be ok
19:20 < jose1711> i mean - i already changed that
19:20 <+MrHairgrease> if you used 195.113.96.198 for your hostname
19:20 < jose1711> should i better restart the whole machine?
19:20 <+MrHairgrease> you could do that
19:20 <+MrHairgrease> but it shouldn't be necesarry
19:21 < jose1711> ill better do that
19:21 <+MrHairgrease> ok
19:24 < maxscience> bah when I stop all things using WRE's script, the wremonitor keeps going on because of cron job... So it's pretty useless. Should submit something like 10 bug reports lol
19:25 < maxscience> I changed the ip in spectre.pl but the monitor log keeps saying the same errors
19:27 <+MrHairgrease> if you found ten bugs than you should submit ten bugs
19:27 <+MrHairgrease> if you found one
19:27 <+MrHairgrease> ne bugreport should suffice =)
19:27 <+MrHairgrease> In that case I dunno what the problem might be.
19:27 < maxscience> :(
19:27 <+MrHairgrease> have you tried running spectre from the command line
19:28 <+MrHairgrease> perl spectre.pl --run --debug
19:28 < maxscience> mmh no..
19:28 <+MrHairgrease> try that
19:28 <+MrHairgrease> from the WebGUI sbin dir
19:28 <+MrHairgrease> It'll give you loads of info
19:28 < maxscience> k
19:29 < maxscience> It says Can't Locate POE/Compoment/IKC/ClientLite.pm
19:30 < jose1711> seems like the lock are gone!!!
19:30 < jose1711> s/lock/locks
19:30 < maxscience> I also run Testenvironment.pl and some things are missing but damn it's a WRE install... It shouldn't include all needed?
19:30 < jose1711> but need to test more
19:30 <+MrHairgrease> oh sry
19:31 <+MrHairgrease> you should use the perl supplied by the wre
19:31 <+MrHairgrease> dunno exactly where that is
19:31 <+MrHairgrease> but it's prolly something like
19:31 < maxscience> yeah exactly.. That's what I was thinking now.. But this means I have to change the path to perl of all WebGUI's perl scripts?
19:31 <+MrHairgrease>  /data/prereqs/perl/bin/perl
19:31 <+MrHairgrease> no
19:32 <+MrHairgrease> just do /data/prereqs/perl/bin/perl spectre.pl --run --debug
19:32 <+MrHairgrease> from the WebGUI/sbin directory
19:32 < jose1711> yes guys, they are gone for good
19:32 < jose1711> thank you
19:32 < maxscience> ok but spectre.pl has /usr/bin/perl as path to perl... When it runs automatically it uses the system perl not the WRE's perl right?
19:33 <+MrHairgrease> don't think so
19:33 <+MrHairgrease> depends how the wre runs it
19:33 <+MrHairgrease> however
19:33 <+MrHairgrease> it is not  neat
19:34 <+MrHairgrease> better file that as a bug
19:34 <+MrHairgrease> anyway
19:34 <+MrHairgrease> if you issue the command like i just posted
19:34 < maxscience> mmh however I did as you said and now it reports a permission denied error on webgui.log
19:34 <+MrHairgrease> the shebang line will be ignored
19:34 <+MrHairgrease> reaaly?
19:34 < maxscience> yep
19:34 <+MrHairgrease> strange
19:35 <+MrHairgrease> you probably must ruin spectre as root or something
19:35 <+MrHairgrease> at least in the wre
19:35 < maxscience> Use your WebGUI within minutes instead than hours by using WRE (from plainblack.com) lol
19:35 <+MrHairgrease> hmm well
19:35 <+MrHairgrease> it probably has its rough edges
19:35 <+MrHairgrease> I have not yet used it
19:35 <+MrHairgrease> so it can't really tell
19:36 < maxscience> jose how did you resolve the thing?
19:37 < maxscience> I could try to change the shebang line to /data/wre/prereqs/etc.etc. ?
19:38 < maxscience> the shebang line of spectre.pl
19:38 <+MrHairgrease> yeah you could do that
19:39 <+MrHairgrease> doesn't hurt anyway
19:39 <+MrHairgrease> but it's prbablynot your problem
19:39 <+MrHairgrease> or else it would have complained about POE earlier on
19:40 < maxscience> not if it's like what I'm saying.. The scripts are using system's perl not WRE's perl
19:40 <+MrHairgrease> yeah but if they were using your systems perl...
19:40 <+MrHairgrease> they would have complained about poe
19:40 < maxscience> of course it's strange... WRE testers (if there are lol) should have take care of that
19:40 <+MrHairgrease> which they didn't
19:41 <+MrHairgrease> therfore I don't think it's an issue
19:41 < maxscience> complained were? In the debug command it did
19:41 <+MrHairgrease> sure
19:41 <+MrHairgrease> but not when you tried to start it using the wre
19:41 < maxscience> ok
19:41 <+MrHairgrease> are you using a prebuilt binary?
19:41 < maxscience> oh well now I see that spectre.pl has no shebang line at all lol
19:41 <+MrHairgrease> or compiled from source yourselve?
19:41 < maxscience> no prebuilt
19:41 <+MrHairgrease> ok
19:41 <+MrHairgrease> what does the debug command say?
19:42 < maxscience> it has a shebang line the source equivalent of spectre.pl?
19:43 <+MrHairgrease> what has?
19:43 < maxscience> the shebang line
19:43 <+MrHairgrease> no
19:44 <+MrHairgrease> what has the equiv. shebang line?
19:44 <+MrHairgrease> the 7.0.0 spectre does not have a shgebang
19:44 <+MrHairgrease> and it doesn't need one either
19:44 < maxscience> ok so why you said ok when I wanted to change the shebang line of spectre.pl? :D
19:45 <+MrHairgrease> b/c I thought you said it had one
19:45 < maxscience> yeah I thought :D
19:45 <+MrHairgrease> I don't know those thing by hart
19:45 <+MrHairgrease> heart*
19:45 <+MrHairgrease> i'm only human =)
19:45 <+MrHairgrease> so run /data/....../perl/bin/perl spectre.pl --run --debug
19:46 <+MrHairgrease> and make sure apache is running
19:46 <+MrHairgrease> before you start it
19:46 < maxscience> I run that already.. Posted you the result
19:46 <+MrHairgrease> oh
19:46 <+MrHairgrease> i missed that
19:46 <+MrHairgrease> can you post it again pls?
19:46 < maxscience> sure 
19:48 < maxscience> Can't open /data/wre/var/webgui.log (Permission denied) at /path/to/wre/perl/Log/Log4perl/appender/File.pl line 66
19:48 <+MrHairgrease> oh yeah
19:48 <+MrHairgrease> so change the privs on that file
19:48 <+MrHairgrease> or run it as root
19:48 < maxscience> what do you recommed as chmod?
19:48 < maxscience> value
19:49 <+MrHairgrease> 666?
19:49 < maxscience> k
19:49 <+MrHairgrease> that should do the trick
19:49 <+MrHairgrease> just remember what it is now
19:49 <+MrHairgrease> so you can put it back
19:49 < maxscience> btw in the webgui.log I got some other permissions errors
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19:49 < maxscience> oh sorry :D
19:49 < maxscience> which was your last msg?
19:49 <+MrHairgrease> n/p
19:49 <+MrHairgrease> (18:48:36) maxscience: btw in the webgui.log I got some other permissions errors
19:50 < maxscience> yeah regarding uploads dir
19:50 < maxscience> in /data/domains/mywebsite.com/public/etcetera
19:51 <+MrHairgrease> ok
19:51 < maxscience> various uploads dir actually.. Guess it's the whole domains dir probably? Which should be their permissions?
19:51 <+MrHairgrease> that prolly means that the perms are not set correctly
19:51 <+MrHairgrease> I don't know
19:51 <+MrHairgrease> well
19:51 < maxscience> yeah I know but WRE should have done that... Btw..
19:51 < maxscience> Anyway
19:51 <+MrHairgrease> it should be owend by the user apache run as
19:52 < maxscience> oho now I set the right permission to webgui.log
19:52 < maxscience> run again the debug on spectre
19:53 < maxscience> and I'm seeing LOTS of workflow msgs
19:53 < maxscience> ah but wait is still complains
19:53 <+MrHairgrease> about...
19:54 < maxscience> Error Spectre cannot communicate with WebGUI for mydomain.com.conf, perhaps you need to adjust the spectreSubnets setting in this config file
19:54 <+MrHairgrease> first of all
19:54 <+MrHairgrease> is your apache runnig
19:54 <+MrHairgrease> can you access it
19:54 < maxscience> yes 
19:54 <+MrHairgrease> w/o apache spectre won't work
19:54 <+MrHairgrease> ok
19:55 <+MrHairgrease> then is teh sitename correct in the conf file
19:55 <+MrHairgrease> also are the spectre ip's and subnet settings correct?
19:55 < maxscience> dunno.. Where to see em?
19:56 < maxscience> When I run spectre with debug it also said: ADMIN: Trying to bind to 127.0.0.1:32133
19:57 < maxscience> But it shouldn't be since I changed that to my real ip also in spectre.pl! I missed something?
19:57 <+MrHairgrease> yes
19:57 <+MrHairgrease> you did
19:58 <+MrHairgrease> spectre ips are set in three places in the config file
19:58 <+MrHairgrease> the conf of your host
19:58 <+MrHairgrease> it's prolly called mydomain.conf
19:58 < maxscience> I haven't that file
19:58 <+MrHairgrease> change those to the correct ips 
19:58 < maxscience> I got just mydomain.com.modperl
19:58 <+MrHairgrease> then restart apache then start spectre again
19:58 < maxscience> and mydomain.com.modproxy
19:59 <+MrHairgrease> in the WebGUI/etc dir
19:59 <+MrHairgrease> must be there
19:59 < maxscience> damn I'm really tired.. Overlooked that dir. Thanks
20:00 <+MrHairgrease> These are the dircetives: spectreIp and spectreSubnets
20:00 <+MrHairgrease> only two
20:00 <+MrHairgrease> not three
20:01 < maxscience> ok changed everything
20:01 < maxscience> also in spectre.conf
20:01 < maxscience> ok restarting everything
20:01 <+MrHairgrease> yeah specter.conf too indeed
20:01 < maxscience> now I again run spectre.pl with the debug argument?
20:02 <+MrHairgrease> yeah
20:03 < maxscience> wow wremonitor.log is not complaining anymore so I guess we've made it!
20:03 <+MrHairgrease> good show
20:03 < maxscience> many thanks
20:03 <+MrHairgrease> n/p
20:04 < maxscience> now let's see if I can get things working with the browser... Before I got really strange behaviours... Most likely cause of spectre (I hope)
20:04 < maxscience> btw I should control-c that process now? Because I didn't run it with the daemon argument it's flooding my terminal window :)
20:05 <+MrHairgrease> well
20:05 <+MrHairgrease> you can let it run for some time
20:05 <+MrHairgrease> especially if you are testing
20:05 < maxscience> ah right
20:05 <+MrHairgrease> if it all works kill it
20:05 <+MrHairgrease> and start it as a daemon
20:06 < maxscience> yeah the wremonitor will do that job.. The problem was that 127.0.0.1 didn't work... I will submit one bug on that cause WRE setup script asked me what ip to bind but didn't change to all files
20:09 < maxscience> lol now the wremonitor keeps saying All is well with.... :D
20:10 < maxscience> ah btw.. I forgot to mention that I'm running two apaches and two mysqls at the same time
20:13 <+MrHairgrease> ok
20:13 < maxscience> oh damn again that behaviour... :(
20:13 <+MrHairgrease> what behaviour?
20:14 < maxscience> I'm trying to edit the Syle03 template via the Assets admin module
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20:14 < maxscience> I changed a thing in the code then saved it 
20:14 <+MrHairgrease> ok
20:14 < maxscience> then I clicked on commit my changes
20:14 <+MrHairgrease> so far so good
20:14 < maxscience> the prob is that it doesn't show on site!
20:14 <+MrHairgrease> ok what does the output of spectre say
20:15 < maxscience> I'm now back at the assets module and the template has a lock icon...
20:15 <+MrHairgrease> yeah
20:15 <+MrHairgrease> it's locked couase its pending
20:15 <+MrHairgrease> so spectre must give an error
20:15 < maxscience> nothing new as before... Yeah but how? I did a commit changes
20:15 < maxscience> no error so far it seems
20:15 <+MrHairgrease> if you commit
20:16 <+MrHairgrease> ok
20:16 <+MrHairgrease> shutdown spectre and start it again in the debug mode
20:16 < maxscience> I still got two autotags btw.. Strange.. Shouldn't they be removed when I commit changes?
20:17 <+MrHairgrease> they're prolly tags from some previus sessions
20:18 < maxscience> indeed..
20:18 < maxscience> DAMN!
20:18 <+MrHairgrease> check out the pending versions
20:18 < maxscience> run again spectre with debug
20:18 < maxscience> and it still says Error spectre cannot communicate with Webgui, etc.
20:18 < maxscience> same error as before
20:19 < maxscience> but now it binds to the right ip.. In fact wremonitor is not complaining as before
20:19 <+MrHairgrease> passte your outputpls
20:19 <+MrHairgrease> rafb.net
20:20 < maxscience> spectre debug output?
20:20 <+MrHairgrease> yep
20:20 < maxscience> is that your website or just a clipboard? :)
20:21 <+MrHairgrease> clipboard
20:21 <+MrHairgrease> not mine
20:21 < maxscience> k ;)
20:23 < maxscience> lol it says I've already pasted! not true
20:23 < maxscience> ok here it is
20:24 < maxscience> www.rafb.net/paste/results/RRbleo69.html
20:24 <+MrHairgrease> see this:
20:24 <+MrHairgrease> POE::Component::IKC::Server 4128: encountered bind error 48: Address already in use 4128: IKC Address 140.125.654.32:32133 in use
20:24 <+MrHairgrease> i think there's already a spectre runnig
20:24 <+MrHairgrease> kill that first
20:24 <+MrHairgrease> ps auxf | grep spectre
20:25 < maxscience> aha nice spotting
20:26 < maxscience> yeah I see two of em
20:26 < maxscience> how to kill one?
20:26 <+MrHairgrease> kill pid
20:27 <+MrHairgrease> pid is the processid
20:27 < maxscience> yeah I knew that lol 
20:27 <+MrHairgrease> ok
20:27 < maxscience> done
20:29 <+MrHairgrease> and?
20:30 < maxscience> what's the recommended thing to do after doing those testings? Like when I logout and then lock back again I have to delete previous tags and previous sessions, clear cache, etc.?
20:30 <+MrHairgrease> no
20:30 <+MrHairgrease> just start spectre in the debug mode agin and see what it does
20:30 < maxscience> ok so I go directly to the asset module?
20:30 <+MrHairgrease> it picks up every pending commit
20:30 < maxscience> ah yep
20:31 < maxscience> I still got that error
20:31 < maxscience> Can't communicate with webgui etc.
20:32 <+MrHairgrease> oh ic
20:32 <+MrHairgrease> check the sitenam in your conf
20:32 < maxscience> yeah did that before too but it should be right:
20:32 <+MrHairgrease> also check the spectreSubnets directive
20:32 <+MrHairgrease> what does it say
20:32 < maxscience> it contains:
20:33 < maxscience> yeah the spectresubnets contains:
20:33 < maxscience> 140.125.654.32
20:33 <+MrHairgrease> that's not valid
20:33 < maxscience> 127.0.0.1/32
20:34 <+MrHairgrease> 140.125.654.32 is not an ip
20:34 <+MrHairgrease> you made a typo there
20:34 < maxscience> ah yeah lol
20:34 < maxscience> well anyway it's the real fixed ip of the server
20:34 <+MrHairgrease> spectre subnets must be your ip/32
20:34 <+MrHairgrease> for instance 140.125.654.32/32
20:34 < maxscience> ah ok so I delete the second line?
20:35 < maxscience> right
20:35 <+MrHairgrease> but 140.125.654.32 is not an ipnr.
20:35 <+MrHairgrease> it does not exist
20:35 < maxscience> yeah I know :)
20:35 <+MrHairgrease> ok
20:35 < maxscience> btw that first line was added by wre setup script
20:36 <+MrHairgrease> which line is the first?
20:36 < maxscience> so I delete the second line and the comma at the end of the first line
20:36 < maxscience> 140.125.654.32
20:36 < maxscience> added by wre setup script
20:37 <+MrHairgrease> ok
20:37 <+MrHairgrease> sitename should be only your hostname
20:37 < maxscience> ok restarted
20:37 <+MrHairgrease> or ip if you don't have one
20:37 <+MrHairgrease> understood
20:39 <+MrHairgrease> gotta go
20:39 <+MrHairgrease> see you later
20:39 < maxscience> damn :D
20:39 < maxscience> thank you very much for the help
20:39 <+MrHairgrease> what is damn?
20:39 < maxscience> like "oh, no!" :)
20:39 <+MrHairgrease> so it stil does not work?
20:39 < maxscience> no cause you have to go eheh
20:40 <+MrHairgrease> paste the new output to rafb and i'll have a quick look
20:40 < maxscience> thx
20:40 < maxscience> no more that error!
20:40 <+MrHairgrease> very good
20:40 <+MrHairgrease> godd luck then
20:40 <+MrHairgrease> later
20:40 < maxscience> bye!
20:41 < maxscience> thanks
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20:54 < maxscience> got another problem here umpf
21:14 < maxscience> anybody there?
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21:28 < maxscience> hi
21:28 < ckotil> i had that prob too. i forget how i fixied it
21:28 < ckotil> it was a config problem i believe
21:28 < ckotil> :/ sorry i cant be more help
21:28 < maxscience> :((
21:29 < maxscience> which prob?
21:29 < maxscience> lol
21:29 < ckotil> article.pm
21:29 < maxscience> ah yeah
21:29 < maxscience> damn :( I dunno what could be
21:29 < ckotil> read over the install guide again
21:29 < ckotil> you got to still be missing something
21:29 < ckotil> does testEnvironment pass?
21:30 < maxscience> lol install guide 
21:30 < maxscience> actually I was able to run WebGUI
21:30 < ckotil> http://www.plainblack.com/installing_webgui
21:30 < maxscience> sorry but it sucks
21:30 < ckotil> but its all there.
21:30 < maxscience> not really
21:32 < maxscience> I used WRE and was able to see WebGUI in less than 10 mins
21:32 < maxscience> but it's 4 hours I'm troubleshooting lol
21:32 < ckotil> ya
21:36 < maxscience> damn 
22:59 < maxscience> solved all problems so far
22:59 < maxscience> thx to Frank too
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11:13 < jose1711> hi, please how to create a submenu?
11:14 < jose1711> aah, page layout i guess
12:17 < jose1711> plz how to dispose any changes?
12:19 < Radix_> go to version control tab and delete the version you've made
12:21 < jose1711> Version Tags you mean?
12:21 < jose1711> i don't see any delete function there
12:21 < jose1711> aah, sorry i see it now
12:21 < jose1711> in the admin section
12:22 < jose1711> please where to set the template for the whole page?
12:22 < jose1711> http://195.113.96.198/ - i don't like 'USTAV INF..' uppercased
12:23 < jose1711> and also i am wondering if it is possible to easily combine two menus - one vertical for a 1st level entries and the second horizontal for the 2nd+3rd level entries
13:46 < Radix_> If you want to change the whole page then you need to design your own style - this is your main site look and feel as such
13:47 < Radix_> your style generally contains your navigation menus (top and side or something like that)
13:47 < Radix_> and it has a placeholder for where the page layout goes
13:48 < Radix_> read the webgui done right documentation - pretty sure (even in the free version) it covers the basics like this
14:42 < jose1711> where in menu can one find the style for the whole page please?
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16:35 < Radix_> each page layout has a setting for style
16:41 < jose1711> yeah well.. but where is the main one? w/ the page background, menus, title of the site etc?
16:58 < Radix_> I think you're a little confused.  Each page can pick a style - any pages under that page will by default use that style, but it's up to you whether you keep it that way.
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16:59 < jose1711> hi crythias
16:59 < Radix_> the style you get by default is style 03 if you have a brand new webgui install
16:59 < jose1711> ok, i think i got it but please take a look at 195.113.96.198. i have to change the ?stav informatiky and statistiky
16:59 < Radix_> you can change that to one of the other ones if you want, or customise your own using one of those as the basis
17:00 < jose1711> am i supposed to change style for all existing/used page templates?
17:00 < Radix_> generally speaking, you shouldn't change any existing styles/templates
17:00 < Radix_> you should copy an existing one, and customise it
17:01 < Radix_> you do that by clicking on Manage next to style, and then using the copy option to make a copy of an existing one
17:01 < Radix_> if you change an existing one - you may lose your changes if you upgrade
17:05 < jose1711> hmm.. i tried backup script now and got 'gzip: /backup/*tar: No such file or directory
17:05 < jose1711> Can't call method "login" on an undefined value at ./backup line 33
17:05 < jose1711> any idea?
17:08 < Radix_> did you cd /data/sbin to run it?
17:13 < jose1711>  /data/wre/sbin
17:14 < Radix_> dunno man, sorry
17:16 < jose1711> well actually i see 3 new files inside /backup..
17:16 < jose1711> is that it?
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23:01 < p3z> aloha
23:11 < jose1711> aloha friend
23:17 < p3z> does anybody have info on when the win zip-n-go will be available?
23:19 < jose1711> no idea what's zip-n-go
23:22 < p3z> it's a package of all the needed sw to run webgui, as the name says you only have to unzip it and run the services to go
23:25 < jose1711> how much it differs from wre?
23:29 < p3z> as I know it is tha equivalent of wre in windows
23:29 < p3z> wre needed under *nix, zip-n-go needed under windows OSes
23:31 < jose1711> oh, i see... didn't know wre is only un*x thing
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18:09 < ckotil> that link checker is nice.
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04:01 < Radix-wrk> mornin'!
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17:03 < maxscience> hi
17:05 < ckotil> hey maxscience 
17:08 < maxscience> I need some help with templates
17:08 < ckotil> heh
17:08 < ckotil> im about to need help on them too
17:09 < maxscience> :D
17:53 < ckotil> shit. my clipboard isnt working all of a sudden
17:53 < ckotil> and i see 0 errors
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04:10 < Radix-wrk> morning crythias
04:10 <+crythias> evening :)
04:10  * crythias causes problems.
04:10 < Radix-wrk> oh?
04:11 <+crythias> yeah
04:11 <+crythias> it's all about me.
04:13  * crythias is also strangely fascinated with Naruto.
04:13 < Radix-wrk> heh
04:13 < Radix-wrk> anime fan huh?
04:13 <+crythias> yeah. Now that Yu-Gi-Oh is over, and Yu-Gi-Oh GX is between seasons... :)
04:14 < Radix-wrk> LOL
04:15  * crythias even has a subscription to yu-gi-oh online :)
04:16 <+crythias> I'm such a ne'er-do-well
04:17 < Radix-wrk> Been to tokyo? :)
04:17 <+crythias> want to.
04:18 < Radix-wrk> heh.. it's an amazing place.. and you'd love it if you like anime :)
04:18 <+crythias> I think I'd be sick of Hello Kitty, though :) :) :)
04:18 < Radix-wrk> surprisingly enough, I had to hunt around for hello kitty stuff!
04:19 < Radix-wrk> (my daughter loves hello kitty)
04:19 < Radix-wrk> I spent many days in Akihabara too.. could've spent weeks in there really
04:19 <+crythias> sushi... mmm. on boats... that float...
04:20 < Radix-wrk> friend of mine went to some sort of Ghibli museum there when he went too.. that would've been awesome
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07:49 <+perlDreamer> anyone familiar with Image::Magick tonight?
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13:19 < libregeek> I have recently upgrade webgui to 7.0.1 from 6.6.3, I have completed all the configuration  and when I run preload.perl it gives me an error like this: "Can't locate object method "server" via package "Apache2::ServerUtil" at preload.perl line 54."
13:19 < libregeek> what could be wrong?
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17:11 < ckotil> Can't use an undefined value as an ARRAY reference at ../lib/Spectre/Workflow.pm line 199.
17:11 < ckotil> Any idea whats causing that? 
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17:21 < Radix_> yup
17:22 < Radix_> As a temporary fix you can change line 196 from:
17:22 < Radix_>  my $priority = $self->{_instances}{$instanceId}{priority};
17:22 < Radix_> to
17:22 < Radix_>  my $priority = $self->{_instances}{$instanceId}{priority} || 1; 
17:22 < ckotil> ok ill give that a shot.
17:22 < ckotil> you think thats the cause of my clipboard problem?
17:53 < ckotil> well i reverted back to 7.0
17:53 < ckotil> db and all. so im no longer having the clipboard issue
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04:55 < Radix-wrk> mornin'
06:29 < Radix-wrk> ooh.. WebGUI 7.0.2 is out
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08:00 < Radix-wrk> Shh.. everyone be quiet.. crythias is here.
08:01  * Radix-wrk is pretty confident that noone will say anything for hours now.
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14:21 < Radix_> crythias, did you see this link - http://jamie-sam.livejournal.com/3432.html
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20:32 < ckotil> mmmmm gaim
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15:42 < ckotil> I want to integrate a web app we have that queries backbone routers. And i want webgui to control access to the app. So i cannot simply use an iframe or http proxy. since a user could just access the url directly. Do I need to turn the web app into a wobject?
16:16 < ckotil> i havent been able to find a good example  of a 'web app' on the contributions page
16:17 < xdanger> can't you firewall the routers access to only to the webgui server, so then you could use the httpproxy
16:17 < ckotil> yes. i think we could.
16:18 < ckotil> but.
16:18 < ckotil> the http proxy can only access pages that require no authentication
16:22 < ckotil> see what i mean? users could just access the url http proxy is grabbing
16:26 < ckotil> will http://www.plainblack.com/wobject_code_template#hl2zNsWb2bjHVur5zGF4nw work with 7.0?
17:33 < xdanger> you can provide it with the authentivation by http://user:passwd@domain.com/
17:35 < xdanger> ckotil: this is a better way to start: http://www.plainblack.com/wobject_tutorial
17:40 < xdanger> ckotil: there is also a skeleton for a wobject in webgui... https://www.plainblack.com/downloads/builds/7.0.2-stable/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/_NewWobject.skeleton
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17:54 < ckotil> ok. thx
17:55 < ckotil> ive read that tut a couple times
17:56 < ckotil> im not clear on how to see/import the wobject form the asset tree
18:11 < ckotil> about the authentication. we use CAS, central authentication system. i coudlnt come up with a way to integrate it into http proxy 
18:11 < ckotil> CAS stores a cookie in the browser. i guess i COULD hand that off to http proxy some how
18:13 < ckotil> big mess tho. id rather use wG's framework for the apps
18:13 < ckotil> but its going to be tough to get people to develop the apps as wobjects
18:13 < ckotil> or it may get dumped to me and that would...suck
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20:37 < ckotil> the wobject template needs $my session = shift; in sub view{} 
20:37 < ckotil> or else it errors out
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22:35 < ckotil> how much documention on wobject devlopment is in webgui done right?
22:41 <+perlDreamer> I'd look, but I think PB's site is down
23:07 <+perlDreamer> yup, they're down
23:08 < ckotil> ah.
23:08 < ckotil> well its the weekend now. cya monday
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