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00:27 <+crythias> buh-dum DUM ching! Don't forget to tip your waitress
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06:36 <+perlDreamer> snapcoun1: ping
06:36 <+perlDreamer> hey! where's WRE?
06:37 <+perlDreamer> you leave the channel for a few weeks and everything goes haywire
06:41 <+perlDreamer> snapoun1: paging all Floridians
06:46 < snapcoun1> greetings and salutations
06:46 <+perlDreamer> yo, dude!
06:46 < snapcoun1> how goes it
06:46 <+perlDreamer> it is okay
06:46 <+perlDreamer> I've been fixing bugs
06:46 <+perlDreamer> and I was wondering if you were at all familiar with the survey code?
06:47 < snapcoun1> yeah a little
06:47 < snapcoun1> but I haven't looked at in quite a while
06:47 < snapcoun1> I added the section feature to it
06:48 <+perlDreamer> then you're the man I need!
06:48 < snapcoun1> heh
06:48 <+perlDreamer> in the technical sense
06:48 < snapcoun1> uh oh
06:48 <+perlDreamer> could you do an update and have a gander at the duplicate method, please?
06:48 < snapcoun1> sure
06:50 <+perlDreamer> do you have it?
06:51 < snapcoun1> what am I looking for
06:51 <+perlDreamer> sub duplicate
06:52 < snapcoun1> ok
06:52 < snapcoun1> now what
06:52 <+perlDreamer> line 167
06:52 <+perlDreamer> is that the correct key for that collateral?
06:53 <+perlDreamer> let me back up and fill you in
06:53 <+perlDreamer> Survey's wouldn't copy
06:53 <+perlDreamer> so I fixed the first bug and then got a new one
06:54 <+perlDreamer> involving that line
06:54 <+perlDreamer> it used to set the collateral in Survey_response
06:54 < snapcoun1> uhh
06:54 <+perlDreamer> and when the setCollateral was executed it would complain that there was no comment column in that table
06:54 < snapcoun1> I don't think you can use setCollateral for this table
06:54 <+perlDreamer> so I tracked down which table it should be and fixed it
06:55 <+perlDreamer> so now it copies
06:55 <+perlDreamer> but I'm a little worred that the key might be wrong
06:55 <+perlDreamer> so I thought I'd ask an expert
06:55 < snapcoun1> it's a complex key
06:55 < snapcoun1> three columns make the record unique
06:56 < snapcoun1> I'm not sure if setCollateral can handle complex keys
06:56 < snapcoun1> well, I guess it can
06:56 <+perlDreamer> Do you read SciFi?
06:56 < snapcoun1> you just tell setCollateral the key you want an id autogenerated for
06:56 < snapcoun1> but you have to make sure you set the other two also
06:57 < snapcoun1> no not really
06:57 < snapcoun1> I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express once though
06:57 <+perlDreamer> ++$snapcount
06:58 <+perlDreamer> The copy seems to work, but like I said, I wanted a second set of eyes
06:58 < snapcoun1> yeah
06:58 < snapcoun1> it looks right
06:58 <+perlDreamer> cool, thanks
06:59 < snapcoun1> all the keyfields are being set
06:59 <+perlDreamer> do you have time for another question?
06:59 < snapcoun1> sure
06:59 <+perlDreamer> ever build the WRE on a 64-bit machine?
06:59 < snapcoun1> nope
07:00 < snapcoun1> shouldn't be a problem though
07:00 <+perlDreamer> perl won't compile
07:00 < snapcoun1> what's the error
07:00 <+perlDreamer> hang on a sec while I paste
07:03 <+perlDreamer>   /data/wre/prereqs/perl/lib/5.8.7/x86_64-linux/auto/DynaLoader/DynaLoader.a(DynaLoader.o): relocation R_X86_64_32 against `a local symbol' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC
07:03 <+perlDreamer>   /data/wre/prereqs/perl/lib/5.8.7/x86_64-linux/auto/DynaLoader/DynaLoader.a: could not read symbols: Bad value
07:03 <+perlDreamer> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
07:03 <+perlDreamer> make[1]: *** [mod_perl.so] Error 1
07:03 <+perlDreamer> make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/wrebuild/source/apache/mod_perl-2.0.2/src/modules/perl'
07:03 <+perlDreamer> make: *** [modperl_lib] Error 2
07:03 <+perlDreamer> WRE ERROR: mod_perl make did not complete successfully.
07:04 < snapcoun1> did you try doing what it says?
07:04 < snapcoun1> recompile with -fPIC
07:04 <+perlDreamer> no
07:04 < snapcoun1> I'm not sure but I think that's a gcc flag
07:05 < snapcoun1> so you'll have to edit build.sh
07:05 < snapcoun1> and add it as a compile flag
07:05 < snapcoun1> let me look at it real quick so I can be more specific
07:05 <+perlDreamer> okay
07:05 <+perlDreamer> does build.sh supercede package specific build scripts, or just drive them?
07:07 < snapcoun1> it's just a big wrapper
07:07 < snapcoun1> it calls all the individual configures, and makes
07:07 < snapcoun1> in the correct order
07:07 < snapcoun1> nothing magical
07:07 <+perlDreamer> so I should figure out how to pass PIC to perl and then add _that_ to the build.sh
07:08 < snapcoun1> yeah
07:08 <+perlDreamer> cool
07:08 < snapcoun1> it will probably be something like
07:08 < snapcoun1> CC=gcc CFLAGS=fPIC ./Configure --blah
07:08 < snapcoun1> but ./Configure --help
07:08 < snapcoun1> should tell you
07:09 < snapcoun1> then just edit that line in build.sh that call ./Configure in the buildPerl sub
07:09 <+perlDreamer> okay
07:09 <+perlDreamer> thanks!
07:09 < snapcoun1> sure thing
07:09 <+perlDreamer> question 3?
07:09 < snapcoun1> hopefully that will fix it
07:09 < snapcoun1> why not
07:09 <+perlDreamer> uh, well it's late in Florida
07:09 <+perlDreamer> you probably have many other things to do
07:10 < snapcoun1> no biggie
07:10 <+perlDreamer> back to Survey.pm
07:10 < snapcoun1> ok
07:10 <+perlDreamer> editSection
07:10 <+perlDreamer>         if ($section->{sectionName} =~ /$none/) {
07:10 <+perlDreamer>                 return $self->session->privilege->vitalComponent;
07:10 <+perlDreamer>         }
07:10 <+perlDreamer> that will prevent anything containing the word Security from ever being re-edited.
07:10 <+perlDreamer> should that be a string comparison instead of regexp match?
07:11 < snapcoun1> the purpose of that
07:11 < snapcoun1> (may not be what it's doing)
07:12 < snapcoun1> is to ensure that there is always one section (at least) for every survey
07:12 < snapcoun1> it's called "none"
07:12 < snapcoun1> i18n'ed
07:12 < snapcoun1> this block
07:12 < snapcoun1> is to prevent people from modifying the section called "none"
07:13 <+perlDreamer> with the regexp, it will match anywhere in the string because it's not anchored
07:13 < snapcoun1> oh
07:13 < snapcoun1> I'm not very good with PCRE
07:13 < snapcoun1> that's all it's supposed to do so if you can make the regex better
07:14 < snapcoun1> go for it
07:14 < snapcoun1> it's just to protect the section called "none"
07:14 < snapcoun1> remember it's i18n though
07:14 < snapcoun1> so it may be called "hooflamaba'
07:14 < snapcoun1> in leet or something
07:14 <+perlDreamer> every Survey has a unique section called "none"?
07:14 < snapcoun1> yes
07:15 < snapcoun1> it's created by processPropertiesFromFormPost
07:15 <+perlDreamer> so if I have two content managers with different languages, then one of them will be able to edit "none" since their language's none won't match the language of the guy who created the Survey?
07:16 < snapcoun1> I guess you're right
07:17 < snapcoun1> yeah
07:17 <+perlDreamer> I think the only safe way is to do it via id's
07:17 <+perlDreamer> but that means storing the id somewhere...
07:17 < snapcoun1> but having a section named jghg_89485jfjed isn't very user friendly
07:17 <+perlDreamer> it can be named anything
07:18 < snapcoun1> I suppose you're right
07:18 <+perlDreamer> but the assetId of the section created by pPFFP shouldn't be allowed to be edited
07:18 < snapcoun1> I can't imagine this is a very likely to happen though
07:18 < snapcoun1> but that would be better
07:19 < snapcoun1> when I wrote it I assumed the site would use one language
07:19 <+perlDreamer> well, I can't figure out how to do it anyway
07:19  * snapcoun1 slaps hand
07:19 <+perlDreamer> since there's no way to lookup the section by name
07:19 < snapcoun1> now that I think about it
07:20 < snapcoun1> I think I tried to do it the way you're describing
07:20 < snapcoun1> but couldn't figure something out
07:20 < snapcoun1> don't remember what though =)
07:20 < snapcoun1> it was a while ago when I did this
07:20 <+perlDreamer> I see four options:
07:21 < snapcoun1> wow
07:21 <+perlDreamer> 1) store the assetId of that section in the asset
07:21 <+perlDreamer> 2) add a column which says whether or not the section can be edited
07:21 <+perlDreamer> 3) Post a bug and let JT fix it :)
07:22 < snapcoun1> actually I have to fix bugs tomorrow so... yeah
07:22 <+perlDreamer> 4) Post a bug and let Roy fix it
07:22 < snapcoun1> doh!
07:22 <+perlDreamer> I think the column would be the most robust
07:24 < snapcoun1> I think it would be the easiest
07:24 <+perlDreamer> I'll post the bug
07:24 <+perlDreamer> I could use the karma
07:24 < snapcoun1> lol
07:24 < snapcoun1> vote for my commerce feature
07:24 < snapcoun1> =P
07:25 < snapcoun1> kinda silly actually... I think it's going in no matter what lol
07:25 < snapcoun1> but it was fun to spend all my karma on it
07:25 < snapcoun1> kind of like splurging at Best Buy or something
07:25 <+perlDreamer> it's a good idea
07:25 <+perlDreamer> WebGUI for mp3/video shopping
07:26 < snapcoun1> pdf books
07:26 <+perlDreamer> but it must be ranked pretty hard since the karma ranking is only 3.7
07:26 < snapcoun1> pictures (hehe, long live pron)
07:26 <+perlDreamer> how much karma do you have?
07:26 <+perlDreamer> did you have?
07:26 < snapcoun1> 130 something
07:26 <+perlDreamer> 130/3.7
07:26 <+perlDreamer> hmmm
07:26 < snapcoun1> I ranked it as 35 hours
07:26 < snapcoun1> so it's weighted heavy
07:27 < snapcoun1> but, that number is a SWAG
07:27 < snapcoun1> with all the Commerce changes, it could be 10 hours
07:27 < snapcoun1> but should be no more than 35 worst case
07:27 < snapcoun1> I just wrote something for BNT that's very similar (minus the commerce part)
07:28 <+perlDreamer> cool
07:28 <+perlDreamer> I've been working on the new variable section in the help
07:28 <+perlDreamer> Did JT tell you about it?
07:29 < snapcoun1> no
07:29 < snapcoun1> what is it?
07:29 <+perlDreamer> lots of people have talked about a template variable editor for wG
07:29 <+perlDreamer> but there's 1 fundamental thing stopping it
07:29 <+perlDreamer> there's no way to programmatically get which variables are available in a given template
07:29 < snapcoun1> the code?
07:29 < snapcoun1> oh
07:30 <+perlDreamer> so JT and I schemed, and came with this idea
07:30 < snapcoun1> yeah... most people use $var but there is no requirement to do so
07:30 <+perlDreamer> template variables will be documented in the Help, like fields are
07:30 <+perlDreamer> and Help now has inheritance so that you can inherit other variables, fields or related items from other help entries
07:31 < snapcoun1> nice
07:31 <+perlDreamer> so to get the set of template variables for a template, grab it's help and take the variables key in the hash
07:31 <+perlDreamer> and voila
07:31 < snapcoun1> that's slick
07:32 < snapcoun1> did you notice that JT added autoGenerateForms to the Asset class?
07:32 <+perlDreamer> no!
07:32 <+perlDreamer> really?
07:32 < snapcoun1> yep
07:32 <+perlDreamer> sweet
07:32 < snapcoun1> I pestered
07:32 <+perlDreamer> Matt and I talked about doing that for a while
07:32 <+perlDreamer> but never got around to doing it
07:32 <+perlDreamer> it's good juju to have in the core
07:33 < snapcoun1> I tried to use it in my Paypal asset to learn it wasn't there
07:33 < snapcoun1> and I was like, "why isn't this here"
07:33 <+perlDreamer> Paypal asset?  not commerce plug-in?
07:33 < snapcoun1> yeah
07:33 < snapcoun1> I'm not sure I'm going to release it
07:33 < snapcoun1> I have the paypal stuff working
07:33 < snapcoun1> but I don't know
07:33 < snapcoun1> I don't like it
07:34 <+perlDreamer> I've seen it mentioned on the boards
07:34 < snapcoun1> what's that?
07:35 <+perlDreamer> brb
07:37 <+perlDreamer> back
07:38 <+perlDreamer> I thought I saw someone mention paypal in the Commerce
07:39 < snapcoun1> what?
07:39 < snapcoun1> in the Commerce?
07:39 <+perlDreamer> yeah
07:39 < snapcoun1> what does that mean
07:39 < snapcoun1> in the code?
07:39 <+perlDreamer> that a paypal plugin would be released for the Commerce
07:42 < snapcoun1> yeah it will be in wG 7.1 I think
07:42 <+perlDreamer> okay
07:42 < snapcoun1> as a Payment Plugin
07:42 < snapcoun1> but maybe not
07:42 < snapcoun1> b/c Commerce is going to be rewritten
07:43 < snapcoun1> that has to happen first
07:43 < snapcoun1> it's going to be comprable to OSCommerce, ZenCart, etc
07:43 <+perlDreamer> I've never used those.
07:43 < snapcoun1> those types of features
07:43 < snapcoun1> think Amazon
07:43 < snapcoun1> in WebGUI
07:43 <+perlDreamer> sweet
07:43 < snapcoun1> yeah
07:44 < snapcoun1> it's going to be huge
07:44 <+perlDreamer> that's definitely a 7.1
07:44 < snapcoun1> a whole new customer base
07:44 < snapcoun1> I don't know the specifics
07:44 < snapcoun1> but it's what 7 is all about
07:44 < snapcoun1> 7.1 - whatever
07:44 <+perlDreamer> speaking of new, tell JT that he needs to build a VOIP comparison site
07:45 < snapcoun1> have you told him =)
07:45 < snapcoun1> or is this a trap
07:45 < snapcoun1> lol
07:45 <+perlDreamer> no, I thought it would complement the IM and other matrix sites
07:45 <+perlDreamer> I wouldn't bear bait you
07:47 < snapcoun1> hehe
07:47 < snapcoun1> I know
07:48 <+perlDreamer> are you still on break between classes?
07:48 < snapcoun1> no
07:48 < snapcoun1> I'm half done
07:48 < snapcoun1> 3 weeks left
07:49 < snapcoun1> this week: thermodynamics for retards
07:49 < snapcoun1> hehe
07:49 <+perlDreamer> I thought you were taking business classes?
07:49 < snapcoun1> "no no, heat and temperature are not the same Sally"
07:49 < snapcoun1> sigh*
07:50 < snapcoun1> this is my last Gen-Ed
07:50 < snapcoun1> for Business
07:50 <+perlDreamer> then you can get down to serious business
07:50 < snapcoun1> heh
07:50 <+perlDreamer> instead of messing around with all that engineering stuff
07:50 <+perlDreamer> I mean, really!
07:50 <+perlDreamer> who'd use that?
07:51 < snapcoun1> I'm considering changing my major
07:51 < snapcoun1> I really don't like Business classes
07:51 < snapcoun1> but it's the safe degree
07:51 <+perlDreamer> what about taking over the world?
07:51 < snapcoun1> I know
07:52 < snapcoun1> I think I can do that w/o a business degree
07:52 <+perlDreamer> I think so, too
07:52 <+perlDreamer> Look at Dave Thomas
07:52 < snapcoun1> my passion is Test Engineering
07:52 < snapcoun1> which == Comp. Sci, and EE
07:52 <+perlDreamer> so more CS?
07:53 < snapcoun1> I'd have to basically start over if I change majors though
07:53 < snapcoun1> b/c I've taken business lvl math and science
07:53 < snapcoun1> which aren't worth crap for CS and/or Eng
07:53 <+perlDreamer> but your EE level stuff should get you through the prereqs for CS
07:53 <+perlDreamer> don't you already have an EE degree?
07:53 < snapcoun1> nope
07:54 < snapcoun1> I have EET certificates
07:54 < snapcoun1> vo-tech
07:54 <+perlDreamer> ah
07:54 < snapcoun1> did that in High School
07:54 <+perlDreamer> dude, you're smart
07:54 <+perlDreamer> you can do it
07:54 < snapcoun1> it's a matter of goals at this point
07:54 < snapcoun1> I need to get a Bachelors
07:55 < snapcoun1> so I'm thinking I'll finish the Business degree
07:55 < snapcoun1> then maybe do CS or EE
07:55 <+perlDreamer> either of them should be easy with your experience
07:55 < snapcoun1> I just need the degree for my piece of mind
07:55 <+perlDreamer> and the salary
07:56 < snapcoun1> I'm not so good at math
07:56 < snapcoun1> which sucks
07:56 <+perlDreamer> do the CS degree then
07:56 < snapcoun1> b/c it's key to the fundamental understanding of both
07:56 < snapcoun1> I like Math
07:56 < snapcoun1> but I have to work at it
07:56 <+perlDreamer> I'm pretty sure that EE is more math intensive than CS
07:57 < snapcoun1> They're actually very close
07:57 < snapcoun1> at least at the school I'm going to
07:57 < snapcoun1> Calc I + II, Diff Eq, Linear Algebra
07:58 < snapcoun1> there are two more I think
07:58 < snapcoun1> can't remember
07:58 <+perlDreamer> I had to take 8 classes for EE
07:58 <+perlDreamer> in Math
07:58 <+perlDreamer> Calc 1 and 2, Vector Calc, Diff Eq, Linear, Series and Sequences, Statistics
07:59 <+perlDreamer> I forget the 8th
07:59 < snapcoun1> Stat was one of the two I couldn't think of
07:59 < snapcoun1> maybe that was it
07:59 < snapcoun1> then the science classes
07:59 < snapcoun1> may as well been math =)
07:59 <+perlDreamer> most hard science is heavily math based
08:00 < snapcoun1> yeah
08:00 < snapcoun1> harder than the math I think
08:00 < snapcoun1> b/c it's applied
08:00 < snapcoun1> you have to understand it and know how to apply it
08:00 < snapcoun1> it's not abstract like it is in a math class
08:01 <+perlDreamer> but if you can map the problem into a solution set, then it's just plug and chug
08:01 <+perlDreamer> plus, real world stuff goes beyond hand analysis pretty quick
08:01 <+perlDreamer> think about the fields in a capacitor
08:01 <+perlDreamer> perpendicular fields are easy
08:02 <+perlDreamer> fringe fields can be done to a certain degree
08:02 <+perlDreamer> but anything complex is handled via finite element analysis and a computer program
08:03 < snapcoun1> you mean there is more to reactance and resonance then 1/2*pi*sqrt(L*C)
08:03 < snapcoun1> =)
08:03 <+perlDreamer> only a little
08:04 <+perlDreamer> I need to crash.
08:04 <+perlDreamer> you be around later this week?
08:04 < snapcoun1> yeah should be
08:04 <+perlDreamer> cool
08:04 < snapcoun1> oh
08:04 <+perlDreamer> I may need you to explain how sections work so that I can document them
08:05 < snapcoun1> almost forgot
08:05 < snapcoun1> wanna see a 2 min video of me skydiving?
08:05 <+perlDreamer> send me the URL
08:05 <+perlDreamer> I'm still trying to get multimedia working on my laptop
08:05 < snapcoun1> heh
08:05 < snapcoun1> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaDElhcf0m4
08:06 < snapcoun1> I need to get WRE working again
08:06 < snapcoun1> I've neglected him
08:06 <+perlDreamer> one other quick thing
08:06 <+perlDreamer> Matt is still in some of the session descriptions for the WUC
08:06 < snapcoun1> oh really
08:07 < snapcoun1> I'll mention it to Vrby
08:07 <+perlDreamer> are you red or blue or camera-man?
08:07 < snapcoun1> red
08:07 < snapcoun1> the guy flopping around
08:07 < snapcoun1> =)
08:08 < snapcoun1> this is from last summer
08:08 <+perlDreamer> nice flip
08:09 < snapcoun1> yeah, my front-flip was a failure
08:09 < snapcoun1> back flip went ok
08:09 <+perlDreamer> to think that people jump out of perfectly good airplanes
08:09 <+perlDreamer> tut tut tut
08:09 < snapcoun1> not anymore
08:09 < snapcoun1> been there done that =)
08:11 <+perlDreamer> I like my feet on the ground
08:11 <+perlDreamer> Trains are okay
08:11 <+perlDreamer> slow but expensive
08:12 <+perlDreamer> catch you later, Roy
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23:41 < kamathl1> what is WebGUI ?//
23:41 < kamathl1> hellooooooO!
23:43 < kamathl1> anybody home?
23:43 <@snapcount> www.webgui.org
23:43 < kamathl1> thx
23:43 <@snapcount> sure
23:45 <+MrHairgrease> also check out the interview with jt at perlcast.com
23:45 <+MrHairgrease> jt is the main webgui guy btw
23:50 < kamathl1> yeah yeah.. all that looks intresting when it comes ti the technical stff. but the legal stuff is kinda strange..
23:51 < kamathl1> http://www.plainblack.com/legal
23:51 < kamathl1> any more legal stuff lying around anywhere else?//
23:51 <@snapcount> in the source code
23:51 < kamathl1>  Well. open source thuis is .. but is it really Free (as in freedom)
23:52 <@snapcount> it's all GPL
23:52 <@snapcount> yes and the software is free too
23:53 < kamathl1> Ha! it is strange to see that not mentioened on the website's "legal information" section.. which may drive away potential developers/users
23:53 <+MrHairgrease> gotta go guys
23:53 <+MrHairgrease> see you later
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23:53 < kamathl1> c ya
23:54 < kamathl1> people who are bent on "GNU and FOSS" will think it is on some otherr license and will get repelled
23:55 <@snapcount> perhaps
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00:31 < xdanger> I think that the legal page is about the plainblack.com site, not about the software
00:31 < kamathl1> oh
00:35 < xdanger> 06.06.06
00:35 < xdanger> The fear of the number 666 is known as hexakosioihexekontahexaphobia.
00:35 < kamathl1> whats 06.06.06 ?
00:35 < kamathl1> Ah!
00:35 < xdanger> just a funny quote that I found =)
00:35 < xdanger> today =)
00:35 < xdanger> we'll depends where in the world you are
00:36 < kamathl1> Hey! it took me full 12 seconds to pronounce it .. I like it :-P
00:36 < xdanger> that's my word of the day =)
00:37 < xdanger> propably don't even remember it tomorrow =)
00:37 < kamathl1> I couldn't remember the first half when i tried to pronounce the other :-P
00:39  * xdanger goes to sleep...
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15:18 < snapcoun1> nice fix on the captcha bug martin
15:18 < snapcoun1> I spent like 2 hours on that and now I officially feel like a dummy =)
15:18 <+MrHairgrease> heh
15:18 < snapcoun1> it's always the obvious that escapes me
15:18 <+MrHairgrease> I knew my imagemagick had to work
15:19 <+MrHairgrease> so I just figured
15:19 <+MrHairgrease> maybe they have the same color
15:20 < snapcoun1> I knew the graphic was good because I checked it with the identify --verbose utility
15:20 < snapcoun1> sigh*
15:20 < snapcoun1> hours of my life wasted
15:20 <+MrHairgrease> yeah
15:21 <+MrHairgrease> you are very near a midlife crisis
15:21 < snapcoun1> Are you trying to cheer me up? (It's not working) lol
15:21 <+MrHairgrease> have you picked up golfing with too young chicks yet?
15:21 <+MrHairgrease> =)
15:21 < snapcoun1> no no... putt putt golfing
15:21 < snapcoun1> only golfing I do
15:21 <+MrHairgrease> do you already dye your hair =)
15:21 < snapcoun1> lol
15:21 < snapcoun1> nope
15:22 < snapcoun1> still good there
15:22 <+MrHairgrease> if your car larger than Koen's?
15:22 < snapcoun1> what kind of car does he have?
15:22 <+MrHairgrease> Some bmw
15:22 <+MrHairgrease> I dunno
15:22 < snapcoun1> ah
15:22 <+MrHairgrease> He likes em big
15:22 < snapcoun1> no... I have a mustang
15:22 < snapcoun1> nothing fancy
15:22 <+MrHairgrease> I have a bike
15:22 < snapcoun1> I want one
15:23 <+MrHairgrease> bicicle
15:23 < snapcoun1> been saving =)
15:23 < snapcoun1> oh
15:23 < snapcoun1> I already have one of those =)
15:23 <+MrHairgrease> it has those cute pink bag on the rear thiough
15:23 <+MrHairgrease> the rest is covered in rust
15:25 < snapcoun1> pink eh?
15:26 < snapcoun1> never pictured you as the 'pink bag' kinda guy haha
15:26 < snapcoun1> I'm picturing your PBWG photo only with you having a pink bag over your shoulder
15:27 <+MrHairgrease> yeah
15:28 <+MrHairgrease> you do that
15:28 < snapcoun1> hah
15:28 <+MrHairgrease> normally only girls are fantasizing about me
15:28 <+MrHairgrease> but in your case I'll make an exeption =)
15:28 < snapcoun1> calc eurohunk
15:28 < snapcoun1> damn
15:28 < snapcoun1> need to get wre back in here I suppose
15:29 <+MrHairgrease> yeah I miss it already
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02:48 <+crythia1> howdy
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05:10 < Tamray> Here I am
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05:21 <+crythia1> heh
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05:22 <+crythia1> heh.
05:22 <+crythia1> ok. where can I get the src for httpd 2.2?
05:23 <+crythia1> ryt?
05:25 <+crythia1> hi tamray
05:25 <+crythia1> cpan building apache2::request right now
05:27 < Tamray> ok, what was wrong with it?
05:27 <+crythia1> you said it didn't know where apxs was?
05:27 < Tamray> right
05:28 <+crythia1> well, I re-built libapreq2 from your root, and told it.
05:28 <+crythia1> then cpan seemed to "know" where it was.
05:28 < Tamray> I don't know where the sourc was, where?
05:28 <+crythia1> libapreq was in root
05:28 <+crythia1> not /, but ~root
05:28 < Tamray> right, but I had run make many, times
05:28 <+crythia1> but right this second, I'm sitting watching parsers do no...
05:29 <+crythia1> 1/542
05:29 <+crythia1> but apache won't start now anyway...
05:29 < Tamray> it will error out at the end
05:29 <+crythia1> grr
05:29 <+crythia1> ctrl-c is mucked up
05:30 <+crythia1> hmm
05:31 <+crythia1> apache won't start at all?
05:31 < Tamray> hmm, good
05:31 < Tamray> Right, if you look at error_log it complains about a .pm
05:32 <+crythia1> no.
05:32 <+crythia1> not even with the head junk removed... trying to diagnose...
05:33 <+crythia1> sigh. would be nice to know if there was an rcs available.
05:33 <+crythia1> I hate making numeric backups of files
05:34 < Tamray> what do you think?
05:34 <+crythia1> if I coudl use ci, it'd rock. because I can do versions of httpd.conf, even delete it, and get it back working.
05:34 < Tamray> you know more than me.
05:34 <+crythia1> please bear with me as I'm trying to get apache to work, first, then we get WebGUI :(
05:35 < Tamray> al the webgui stuff is at the top of httpd.conf
05:35 <+crythia1> except for NameVirtualHosts
05:35 <+crythia1> still httpd isn't starting
05:35 < Tamray> right
05:38 <+crythia1> configtest isn't working...
05:38 < Tamray> service httpd start??
05:38 <+crythia1> takes for EVEN
05:38 <+crythia1> EVER
05:41 <+crythia1> why?
05:41 <+crythia1> oh.
05:41 <+crythia1> guess 'cause no documentroot
05:41 < Tamray> why service httpd start? FC5's way
05:41 <+crythia1> I did that. wasn't happening.
05:42 < Tamray> the only change made from befoe webgui is the added stuff to httpd.conf, and I copied Apache2 folder to /data/WebGUI/lib
05:43 <+crythia1> right. ok. I renamed the Apache2 folder because it wasn't linked properly to your apache install
05:43 < Tamray> k
05:43 <+crythia1> and I can't get apache to work with the current httpd.conf
05:44 < Tamray> replace away
05:44 <+crythia1> dont' know what I'm missing.
05:44 <+crythia1> apache should be instant start.
05:44 < Tamray> yep
05:45 <+crythia1> right. 'cause you're using bad IP addresses!
05:45 < Tamray> ?
05:45 <+crythia1> your ip address (apparently) maps to news.bbe.k12.mn.us
05:46 < Tamray> I used the same box that used to be that server. You can remove all traces
05:46 < Tamray> should have the same host name as the other box. www.tamray.com
05:47 <+crythia1> httpd: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name
05:47 <+crythia1> this is a common error
05:47 < Tamray> how can that be fixed?
05:47 <+crythia1> ServerName directive in httpd.conf. fixable later.
05:48 < Tamray> k
05:48 <+crythia1> BUT that's what's taking so long.
05:48 <+crythia1> it thinks it's something..
05:49 <+crythia1> much faster now!
05:49 <+crythia1> :)
05:49 < Tamray> cool
05:49 < Tamray> so apache starts without a hitch?
05:49 <+crythia1> but I still need (I think?) httpd-2.2 src... dunno. gimme a sec
05:49 <+crythia1> well, apache starts without webgui
05:50 <+crythia1> so far, that's a good thing
05:50 < Tamray> if you can find a way to provide a source we should post this solution for rpm installs
05:51 <+crythia1> well, it'd be httpd-2.2.src.rpm or whatever
05:51 < Tamray> you want me to find it?
05:51 <+crythia1> yes, please? :)
05:51 < Tamray> k
05:51 <+crythia1> hrm.
05:52 <+crythia1> interesting mod_perl is having to be installed by cpan? the heck?
05:54 < Tamray> it was installed 2.x
05:54 <+crythia1> ok.
05:55 <+crythia1> right now, sitting on parsers .....ok 1/542
05:55 <+crythia1> where I cut out before.
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05:56 < Tamray> what version of httpd do I have
05:57 <+crythia1> 2.2
05:57 < Tamray> rpm -q httpd
05:57 <+crythia1> httpd-2.2.0-5.1.2
05:58 <+crythia1> but if you'd be good enough to remove httpd-2.2 and replace with httpd-2.0, I'd be happy
05:58 <+crythia1> or not
05:58 <+crythia1> wait.
05:59 < Tamray> closest I could find ftp://rpmfind.net/linux/fedora/core/updates/testing/5/SRPMS/httpd-2.2.0-5.2.src.rpm
05:59 <+crythia1> ok.
05:59 <+crythia1> then you'd have a 5.2 .rpm
06:00 < Tamray> ftp://rpmfind.net/linux/fedora/core/updates/testing/5/i386/httpd-2.2.0-5.2.i386.rpm
06:00 <+crythia1> that's testing
06:00 <+crythia1> don't think you want that.
06:00 < Tamray> k
06:00 < Tamray> what do I want?
06:00 <+crythia1> sec
06:01 <+crythia1> this is what you have ftp://rpmfind.net/linux/fedora/core/5/i386/os/Fedora/RPMS/httpd-2.2.0-5.1.2.i386.rpm
06:01 < Tamray> I couldn't find the src rpm for that
06:01 <+crythia1> ftp://rpmfind.net/linux/fedora/core/5/source/SRPMS/httpd-2.2.0-5.1.2.src.rpm
06:02 < Tamray> rpm away
06:02 <+crythia1> been ages.
06:03 < Tamray> I can do it.
06:03 < Radix-wrk> man, I haven't had to deal with rpm madness for years
06:03 < Radix-wrk> apt-get is sooo much nicer :)
06:03 < Tamray> hang on a  few minutes
06:04 <+crythia1> Tamray: I'm wget on the first site
06:04 <+crythia1> then I'll sftp to the second
06:04 <+crythia1> Radix: I hear ys
06:05 <+crythia1> I'm FreeBSD. mine's portinstall
06:05 < Radix-wrk> heh
06:06 < Radix-wrk> that's prolly the hardest thing with webgui in some ways - all the different system configurations makes it hard to make everyone happy
06:06 <+crythia1> tamray: stop
06:07 < Tamray> k, httpd is gone though
06:07 <+crythia1> yeah. 'cause I wget'd from one then sftpd to t'other.
06:07 <+crythia1> nm.
06:07 <+crythia1> but you rpm installed it?
06:08 < Tamray> so you have it from here, or can we scp things to the server
06:08 <+crythia1> on second, it's in ~
06:08 < Radix-wrk> Anyways, I'll leave you guys to it and get back to work - sounds like a busy install :)
06:08 < Tamray> i removed the httpd we had installed, getting ready for the new one
06:08 <+crythia1> what?
06:08 < Tamray> I did a rpm -e httpd --nodeps
06:09 <+crythia1> put it back?
06:09 < Tamray> :)
06:12 < Tamray> its back now, and the src rom is in /root
06:13 <+crythia1> sorry. I'm trying to find out where everything is.
06:14 < Tamray> I didn't install the src rpm
06:15 <+crythia1> I"m happy-er now. I think
06:15 < Tamray> happy is good
06:15 <+crythia1> I don't think I installed it correct
06:15 < Tamray> installed what?
06:15 <+crythia1> the sources. they came out icky
06:15 <+crythia1> pwd
06:16 <+crythia1> not password
06:16 < Tamray> have to use rpmbuild --rebuild src.rpm
06:16 <+crythia1> no.
06:16 <+crythia1> I just need the source code. I think?
06:16 < Tamray> where can we get it?
06:17 <+crythia1> it's now in /usr/src/redhat/SOURCES. I'm an idiot and rpm -Uv httpd...src.rpm
06:17 <+crythia1> I think I missed a flag
06:18 < Tamray> why do you think that?
06:19 <+crythia1> thought it might have been dumped into its own dir structure
06:19 < Tamray> and?
06:20 <+crythia1> it didn't. it went into "SOURCES"
06:20 < Tamray> good
06:20 <+crythia1> nm. Like I said...
06:20 < Tamray> now that you say this. It all makes perfect sense
06:21 <+crythia1> I wanted it, maybe to go into SOURCES\httpd
06:21 <+crythia1> not important right now
06:21 < Tamray> right
06:21 <+crythia1> I want to install rcs, though
06:22 < Tamray> install what you need. why rcs?
06:22 <+crythia1> does xtratyme mean anything to you?
06:22 < Tamray> my ISP
06:22 < Tamray> wireless ISP
06:22 <+crythia1> 'kay
06:22 <+crythia1> here's the thing with RCS: we can monkey around with installing and deinstalling httpd
06:23 <+crythia1> BUT it kills httpd.conf.
06:23 <+crythia1> if we use RCS, we can safely kill httpd.conf and bring it back.
06:23 < Tamray> please do, and document it for me tomorrow, when you have time
06:24 <+crythia1> rpm -Uv rpmfile, right?
06:25 < Tamray> yes
06:25 <+crythia1> you're editing resolv.conf?
06:26 < Tamray> just checking it to see why no internet
06:26 <+crythia1> it's routing problem
06:26 <+crythia1> you have no default route
06:26 < Tamray> I set this box up at my office today, and then brought it home
06:26 <+crythia1> ok. you have a default route
06:27 <+crythia1> but it's not the same as the first box
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06:27 <+crythia1> I'm sorry this is taking so long.
06:27 <+perlDreamer> I know
06:27 <+perlDreamer> wG 7 has taken years
06:28 <+crythia1> ah.
06:28 < Tamray> both need to point to 10.10.10.1 for default
06:28 <+crythia1> rpmsave still..
06:28 < Tamray> yes
06:28 <+crythia1> tamray: but somehow ...
06:28 <+crythia1> first box says ipcop
06:28 <+crythia1> when route
06:29 < Tamray> that is my firewall 10.10.10.1
06:29 <+crythia1> route still isn't working. :(
06:29 <+crythia1> or ping doesn't work through your firewall outbound to ip address.
06:30 < Tamray> subnetmask issue. different at work.
06:30 <+crythia1> yep. I'd agree
06:30 < Tamray> if it is trouble I can fix the firewall to match the box
06:31 <+crythia1> well, you won't be serving pages until it's fixed.
06:31 < Tamray> you will get bumped off. ok to do now?
06:31 <+crythia1> go for it
06:33 <+crythia1> think it might be faster.
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06:35 <+crythia1> ok
06:35 < Tamray_Tech> k
06:36 <+crythia1> untarred the source
06:36 <+crythia1> now for cpan
06:37 < Tamray_Tech> libpreq?
06:37 <+crythia1> Apache2::Request
06:37 < Tamray_Tech> k
06:37 <+crythia1> however, seems to be moving a bit nicer...?
06:38 < Tamray_Tech> All the little things you learn when you try to help somene:)
06:38 <+crythia1> the thing is..
06:39 <+crythia1> why the HECK does Apache2::Request want to install mod_perl for apache1??
06:39 < Tamray_Tech> I have no idea. I saw that earlier. About the time I pulled my last hair out.. Maybe wrong vesion?
06:43 <+crythia1> think I might have help ftp://ftp.pbone.net/mirror/ftp.pld-linux.org/dists/2.0/PLD/i586/PLD/RPMS/perl-libapreq2-2.05-2.i586.rpm
06:44 < Tamray_Tech> isn't that the rpm I have installed?
06:44 <+crythia1> not the perl one.
06:44 <+crythia1> maybe.
06:44 <+crythia1> still looking
06:45 < Tamray_Tech> missed that. Glad you found it. I looked earlier nad never came across it
06:46 <+crythia1> ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/fedora/extras/5/i386/perl-libapreq2-2.07-2.fc5.i386.rpm
06:46 <+crythia1> sorry about another time waster.
06:46 < Tamray_Tech> did you download it?
06:46 <+crythia1> cpan install cpanbundle is long
06:46 <+crythia1> not yet.
06:47 <+crythia1> wish I installed screen, though. I'd be happier
06:47 <+crythia1> screen allows you to ctrl-a ctrl-a swap between jobs
06:47 < Tamray_Tech> what do you mean "installed screen"
06:47 <+crythia1> nice nice nice
06:47 < Tamray_Tech> k
06:47 < Radix-wrk> screen is a must for remote work :)
06:48 < Tamray_Tech> send me a link
06:48 <+crythia1> it's a fc5 rpm
06:48 < Tamray_Tech> no wonder I didn't know about it:)
06:49 <+crythia1> the *best* thing about screen is that it allows you to disconnect from a job (like a long compile) or because of a dropped link... then you just... reconnect!
06:49 < Radix-wrk> fedora doesn't include screen?
06:49 <+crythia1> the job just keeps on going.
06:49 <+crythia1> not in his install.
06:49 <+crythia1> neither rcs
06:49 < Tamray_Tech> I use Remote Desktop with putty for the same reason
06:50 <+crythia1> yeah, but if your putty disco's, you have to start anew.
06:50 <+crythia1> unless you're running your job in screen
06:50 <+crythia1> first: login.
06:50 <+crythia1> screen -rd
06:50 < Tamray_Tech> yep, but I can go home at the end of the day and hope for the best:)
06:50 <+crythia1> screen allows you not to have to hope :)
06:51 < Tamray_Tech> nothing more fun than running make on a 100Mb file and have to go home soon with your laptop:)
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06:52 <+crythia1> # screen
06:52 < Tamray_Tech> my other login disconnected. I am still here
06:52 <+crythia1> # make  100mb file
06:52 <+crythia1> # ctl-d (disconnect)
06:52 <+crythia1> go home
06:52 <+crythia1> telnet
06:52 < Tamray_Tech> :)
06:52 <+crythia1> screen -rd
06:53 <+crythia1> .... what compile options did you want?
06:53 < Tamray_Tech> what are we compiling now?
06:53 <+crythia1> um.
06:53 <+crythia1> just rpm installed perl-libapreq2
06:54 < Tamray_Tech> use your judgement
06:54 < Tamray_Tech> is the world perfect now?
06:54 <+crythia1> *gasp*
06:55 <+crythia1> perl preload.perl is not balking (as much) as it used to
06:55 < Tamray_Tech> I couldn't even get it to balk
06:55 <+crythia1> testEnvironment.pl is better-ish
06:56 < Tamray_Tech> I commented out a few things I was going to work on later
06:56 < Tamray_Tech> do you need to go?
06:57 <+crythia1> getting closer
06:57 < Tamray_Tech> k
06:58 <+crythia1> webgui is starting
06:58 <+crythia1> and failed.
06:58 <+crythia1> but nicer
06:58 < Tamray_Tech> a  nicely failed start is better than a bad failed start:)
06:59 <+crythia1> the errors are no longer the same thing
06:59 < Tamray_Tech> what do they relate to?
07:00 <+crythia1> the .conf, I think?
07:01 < Tamray_Tech> maybe I didn't get all the perms on the folders changed to apache?
07:01 <+crythia1> it's a parsing problem :(
07:01 < Tamray_Tech> nothing is sacred in my config
07:03 <+crythia1> WebGUI runs
07:03 < Tamray_Tech> whoo hoo!
07:03  * crythia1 smacks you about the head.
07:04 <+crythia1> ok.
07:04 < Tamray_Tech> ouch!
07:04 <+crythia1> one thing you didn't (couldn't?) know about: perl-libapreq2 rpm
07:04 <+crythia1> it doesn't appear to be a stock FC5 rpm.
07:05 <+crythia1> but it was what fixed what was missing
07:05 < Tamray_Tech> you commented on this in another post, but I did not realize it was perl-libapreq2
07:05 <+crythia1> the parsing errors were related to you not enclosing strings inside quotes
07:05 <+crythia1> in FreeBSD, it's p5-libapreq2
07:06 < Tamray_Tech> where, my www.tamray.com.conf?
07:06 <+crythia1> there's two: libapreq2 and p5-libapreq2
07:06 <+crythia1> yes, your .conf
07:06 < Tamray_Tech> k
07:06 <+crythia1> I fixed them and created a version history for the fixed version
07:06 < Tamray_Tech> send me the links for those when you document your work
07:07 <+crythia1> I leave it to you to get your domain working,...
07:07 <+crythia1> well.
07:07 < Tamray_Tech> You can email me tomorrow. if webgui is working we are good
07:07 <+crythia1> you still have that criteria for mailman to work...
07:08 < Tamray_Tech> should still work if /etc/httpd/conf.d/mailman.conf is still there
07:08 <+crythia1> (hint: don't delete things with ,v)
07:08 < Tamray_Tech> vi ?
07:08 <+crythia1> gotta put passthruUrls
07:09 < Tamray_Tech> easy enough, and Location tag
07:09 <+crythia1> your domain isn't working via internet
07:10 <+crythia1> apache seems to be working, though.
07:10 < Tamray_Tech> I will get it working, if webgui is running I am good
07:11 < Tamray_Tech> so, we're finished up?
07:12 < Radix-wrk> So does anyone here actually use any methods for reinstalling a whole webgui system from scratch?
07:12 < Radix-wrk> I've just been working on making a clone of our current setup on a virtual machine.. partly for testing, but also just to reproduce the process and look at documenting it.
07:12 <+crythia1> Tamray: I think so. Let me know how you feel
07:14 < Tamray_Tech> Thanks much. I will talk to you tomorrow when you send me your findings and advice.
07:14 <+crythia1> heh. I got neg digs on this... but here's the rcs info: http://www.plainblack.com/etcetera/ot-ci--l-rcs---easily-version-your-files
07:15 < Tamray_Tech> if it will help other users you can document/share whatever you like:)
07:15 <+crythia1> np.
07:15 <+crythia1> I wasted too much time trying to do what you did. :)
07:15 <+crythia1> you were as close as perl-libapreq2
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07:16 <+crythia1> Radix: I wasn't ignoring you.... same architecture?
07:16 < Tamray_Tech> funny!, but worth a bunch.
07:17 <+crythia1> Thanks for your patience.
07:17 < Tamray_Tech> That was my line:) I really appreciate your help. Have a good night!
07:18 < Radix-wrk> The virtual machine (using virtualpc on windows) was mostly because I wanted something I could use to test our webgui site with the latest webgui versions - and see what errors came up, what problems were encountered (and hopefully help log some of them before 7 went live)
07:18 < Tamray_Tech> great idea
07:18 <+crythia1> ok. 'cause the capitalizations will be prob. moving from win to linux
07:19 < Radix-wrk> so I made a virtual machine of a bare debian install, installed everything to get it to run our current webgui site.
07:19 < Radix-wrk> nah.. I didn't install it under windows - I used virtualpc on windows
07:19 < Radix-wrk> VirtualPC is like vmware, etc
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07:20 <+crythia1> gotcha
07:20 <+crythia1> mysqdump data > datafile.sql
07:21 <+crythia1> tar czvf webgui.tar.gz /data
07:21 < Radix-wrk> yup.. I have backups of the /data dir and mysql - so I use that to sync the clone with our virtual server
07:21 < Radix-wrk> works a treat actually
07:21 < Radix-wrk> got a 6.99.2 version of our server (though not had time to try 6.99.3 yet)
07:21 <+crythia1> if I crashed, I can get up and running within a bit
07:22 <+crythia1> well, 'cept nothings important so far ? :)
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07:26 < Radix-wrk> I never commented btw, but I did appreciate that rcs post you made - I found it very useful
07:27 < Radix-wrk> I've yet to get it into my daily processes tho - which is a bit of a shame - been too busy doing everything else.
07:58 <+karma_kameleon> when I figured out what it did...
07:58 <+karma_kameleon> (rcs)
07:59 <+karma_kameleon> I just can't start working on .confs without it.
07:59 <+karma_kameleon> and all the /etcs
07:59 <+karma_kameleon> I just couldn't believe how useful and EASY it was to use.
07:59 < Radix-wrk> heh
08:00 <+karma_kameleon> and when you do something like rm -f /etc/passwd and then co -l passwd :)
08:00 <+karma_kameleon> it's so nive
08:00 <+karma_kameleon> nice
08:00  * snapcoun1 howls at the moon
08:01 < Radix-wrk> yeah.. I just have to break 10 years of habit to use it that's all ;)
08:01 <+karma_kameleon> I completely understand.
08:01 < snapcoun1> crythias: what's this?  you cloning yourself now? lol
08:01 <+karma_kameleon> but... wow. ci -l filename.ext is just so much nicer than cp filename.ext filename.ext.today's date
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08:03 <+crythia1> heh
08:03 < Radix-wrk> home account?
08:03 <+crythia1> well, yeah, but I left office on
08:04 < Radix-wrk> heh
08:04 < Radix-wrk> So anyone else here going to WUC?
08:04 < snapcoun1> thinking about it
08:04 < snapcoun1> =)
08:04 <+crythia1> I want to go, really. but not certain.
08:05 < Radix-wrk> I've had approval from the boss, booked my ticket - just got to organise the flights :)
08:05 < Radix-wrk> funnily enough, it's the same price to go to las vegas from here as it is to do a world trip.. so I'm planning a big world trip at the same time :)
08:06 < snapcoun1> either of you guys openldap experts?
08:06 <+crythia1> I may have a change in where I live...
08:06 < Radix-wrk> same cost to go from perth - las vegas as it is to go perth, london, paris, new york, las vegas, san francisco, perth - tis crazy :)
08:07 <+crythia1> I don't know ldap :( I'm lame
08:07 < Radix-wrk> snapcoun1: no, sorry, ldap newbie
08:07 < snapcoun1> we should start a club
08:07 < Radix-wrk> heh
08:07 < snapcoun1> =P
08:07 <+crythia1> active directory works for me! Call 1800 MSN LDAP
08:08 < Radix-wrk> I just use the database linkage for user management
08:08 < snapcoun1> I spent 3 hours today to figure out that if you define an index for a uid attribute that filters won't work for that attribute
08:08 < snapcoun1> I don't know if it's the posixAccount objectClass or what the fubar is
08:08 < snapcoun1> (uid=jsmith*) works
08:08 < snapcoun1> (uid=jsmith) does not
08:08 <+crythia1> gtg... ttfn
08:09 < snapcoun1> ttfn?
08:09 <+crythia1> ta ta for now
08:09 < Radix-wrk> ta ta for now
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08:09 < snapcoun1> Tickle Tickle Fickle Nickle
08:10 < snapcoun1> this ldap stuff is actually pretty cool
08:10 < snapcoun1> I have a webgui site and my shell acounts authenticating against here in my test environment
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16:37 <+crythias> hello
16:39 <+MrHairgrease> hello
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18:41 <+MrHairgrease> hey roy
18:41 <+MrHairgrease> are you converted to the new dev list yet?
18:42 <+MrHairgrease> if so
18:42 <+MrHairgrease> how do you like it
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22:01 < jiggie> hey people
22:01 < jiggie> i got most of webgui installed execpt errors with perl modules
22:02 < jiggie> can anyone help
22:02 < jiggie> The perl module HTML::Parser is outdated,
22:24 < snapcoun1> are you doing this on your own or using wre
22:25 < snapcoun1> either way, make sure the correct perl (the one webgui uses) is in your path
22:25 < snapcoun1> and do $>perl -MCPAN -e install
22:25 < snapcoun1> install HTML::Parser
22:25 < snapcoun1> it should update it if there is a newer version
22:25 < snapcoun1> oops
22:25 < snapcoun1> perl -MCPAN -e shell
22:26 < snapcoun1> sorry
22:26 < xdanger> or perl -MCPAN -e 'install HTML::Parser'
22:26 < snapcoun1> rinse and repeat for any other modules you need to update
22:27 < snapcoun1> if you're using wre and they are out of date/missing you are either using the wrong version of wre or there is a bug and you should report it
22:29 < jiggie> ok going for that
22:29 < jiggie> i just downloaded from source
22:29 < jiggie> to follow the instructions on the site
22:29 < jiggie> they seem to be easier now to read after 1 week of a break from it
22:31 < jiggie> so when will you guys re-do the installation instructions
22:31 < jiggie> waiting for an install to finish from cpan
22:41 < jiggie> ok did that
22:41 < jiggie> now missing some pod, and installing it
22:42 < jiggie> it always does this   Warning: prerequisite IO::Zlib 1.01 not found
22:42 < jiggie> whats that
22:55 < jiggie> is there a command to install all the modules it needs + dependencies
22:55 < jiggie> Checking for module Archive::Tar:            Install of Archive::Tar failed!
22:55 < jiggie> crap again
23:02 < jiggie> too many errors and it fails
23:03 < jiggie> pg: Can't check signature: public key not found
23:03 < jiggie> ==> BAD/TAMPERED signature detected! <==
23:03 < jiggie> t/0signature....FAILED test 1
23:07 <+crythias> why aren't you using your distro's perl-Archive-Tar?
23:07 < jiggie> redhat
23:07 <+crythias> what?
23:07 < jiggie> i'm using redhat ES 4
23:08 < jiggie> can you show me how to get that perl working
23:08 <+crythias> yes.
23:09 < jiggie> i'm all ears
23:09 <+crythias> soon as I find where the redhat rpms are
23:10 <+crythias> x86?
23:10 < jiggie> i took this system and it has been ok until the perl testEn.......
23:10 <+crythias> i386?
23:11 < jiggie> yeah
23:11 <+crythias> which of these makes sense?
23:11 <+crythias> ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/enterprise/4/en/
23:11 <+crythias> nm
23:11 <+crythias> they're all source.
23:12 < jiggie> let me check
23:13 <+crythias> http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=perl-Archive-Tar
23:14 <+crythias> but I wouldn't begin to know which (FC5?) would be useable on RHES4
23:14 <+crythias> if you've set up yum(?) repo, you should be able to yum install it
23:15 <+crythias> apologies. I am not familiar with which package manager is the recommended for RHES
23:15 < jiggie> let me check... which one is better
23:17 < jiggie> on the first one nothing
23:21 < jiggie> ok downlaoded the file
23:21 < jiggie> and doing rpm -ivh filename but it does not install
23:21 < jiggie> perl-Archive-Tar-1.26-1.2.el4.rf.noarch.rpm
23:22 < jiggie> .done
23:22 < jiggie> rpm  -ivh perl-Archive-Tar-1.26-1.2.el4.rf.noarch.rpm
23:23 < jiggie> works
23:23 < jiggie> now what
23:23 <+crythias> continue the other
23:23 < jiggie> the procedure i had b4
23:24 < jiggie> it was pert testEnv.......
23:24 <+crythias> perl testEnvironment
23:24 < jiggie> The perl module IO::Zlib is not installed, do you want to install it now? {y|n} [y]
23:24 <+crythias> yes. but if you can use your el4 modules, do it instead of cpan
23:24 < jiggie> i suppose y right
23:24 < jiggie> el4 modules
23:24 < jiggie> how do i do that
23:24 <+crythias> el4.rf.noarch.rpm
23:25 < jiggie> so i have to look for that and install it
23:25 <+crythias> perl-IO-Zlib
23:25 <+crythias> or try to watch cpan do it. *MY* preference is to use the OS's packages as much as possible.
23:26 < jiggie> searched and found it
23:26 < jiggie> he perl module Tie::IxHash is not installed, do you want to install it now? {y|n} [y]
23:26 < jiggie> lol
23:26 < jiggie> so i should keep doing this untill all are satisfied
23:26 <+crythias> IMO, yes.
23:27 <+crythias> it's what I've done.
23:28 < jiggie> so redhat 4 is not so easy, missing lots of stuff
23:28 <+crythias> most apps are
23:29 <+crythias> WebGUI relies on a lot of otherwise optional stuff
23:29 < jiggie> after i understand this very good, gonna make a dummy version of how to
23:29 < jiggie> what you need to look for and everything
23:29 <+crythias> sure
23:33 < jiggie> is there a package with all of them
23:34 <+crythias> well. the wre tries
23:34 < jiggie> all those files are there
23:35 < jiggie> can i just downlaode the wre and copy the files
23:35 <+crythias> they compile for the os
23:36 <+crythias> the happy thing? you only have to install once :) and you get upgrade-ability if you use your OS's packager.
23:36 < jiggie> error: Failed dependencies:
23:36 < jiggie>         perl(Net::XMPP) >= 1.0 is needed by perl-Net-Jabber-2.0-1.2.el4.rf.noarch
23:36 < jiggie>         perl(Net::XMPP::Client) is needed by perl-Net-Jabber-2.0-1.2.el4.rf.noarch
23:36 < jiggie>         perl(Net::XMPP::Connection) is needed by perl-Net-Jabber-2.0-1.2.el4.rf.noarch
23:36 < jiggie>         perl(Net::XMPP::Debug) is needed by perl-Net-Jabber-2.0-1.2.el4.rf.noarch
23:36 < jiggie>         perl(Net::XMPP::IQ) is needed by perl-Net-Jabber-2.0-1.2.el4.rf.noarch
23:36 < jiggie>         perl(Net::XMPP::JID) is needed by perl-Net-Jabber-2.0-1.2.el4.rf.noarch
23:36 < jiggie>         perl(Net::XMPP::Message) is needed by perl-Net-Jabber-2.0-1.2.el4.rf.noarch
23:36 < jiggie>         perl(Net::XMPP::Namespaces) is needed by perl-Net-Jabber-2.0-1.2.el4.rf.noarch
23:36 < jiggie>         perl(Net::XMPP::Presence) is needed by perl-Net-Jabber-2.0-1.2.el4.rf.noarch
23:36 < jiggie>         perl(Net::XMPP::Stanza) is needed by perl-Net-Jabber-2.0-1.2.el4.rf.noarch
23:36 < jiggie> crazy
23:37 < jiggie> so how can i do that
23:37 < jiggie> what you say
23:37 <+crythias> perl-Net-Jabber is required?
23:37 < jiggie> yep
23:37 <+crythias> which webgui?
23:37 < jiggie>  Failed dependencies:
23:37 < jiggie>         perl(Net::Jabber) >= 1.0021 is needed by perl-SOAP-Lite-0.67-1.2.el4.rf.noarch
23:38 < jiggie> latest gamma
23:38 < jiggie> stable
23:38 < jiggie> 6.8
23:38 <+crythias> Jabber bc of SOAP-Lite
23:38 <+crythias> ok. perl-Net-XMMP?
23:38 < jiggie> lost m,e there buddy
23:39 <+crythias> Jabber is a dependency of SOAP-Lite, which is required by WG. That's what threw me.
23:39 < jiggie> so whats next'
23:39 <+crythias> get the perl-Net-XMMP
23:40 < jiggie> searching
23:40 <+crythias> xmpp
23:40 <+crythias> http://mirrors.ircam.fr/pub/dag/dries/packages/perl-Net-XMPP/el4-i386/perl-Net-XMPP-1.0-1.2.el4.rf.noarch.rpm
23:42 < jiggie> erl(IO::Socket::SSL) is needed by perl-Net-Lite-XMMP-0.02-1.2.el4.rf.noarch
23:42 < jiggie> just 1
23:42 < jiggie> good
23:44 < jiggie> still looking for more packages
23:46 <+crythias> http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=perl-IO-Socket-SSL&submit=Search+...&system=&arch=
23:47 <+crythias> http://rpmfind.net//linux/RPM/dag/redhat/el4/i386/perl-IO-Socket-SSL-0.96-1.2.el4.rf.noarch.html
23:47 < jiggie> :perl-Net-XMPP   is installed
23:48 < jiggie> soap lite is needed
23:48 < jiggie> and that needs jabber
23:49 <+crythias> ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/dag/redhat/el4/en/i386/dag/RPMS/perl-Net-Jabber-2.0-1.2.el4.rf.noarch.rpm
23:49 < jiggie> done those two
23:49 < jiggie> lol
23:49 < jiggie> now datetime
23:49 < jiggie> thanks for the help
23:50 <+crythias> ftp://rpmfind.net/linux/dag/redhat/el4/en/i386/dag/RPMS/perl-DateTime-0.2901-1.2.el4.rf.i386.rpm
23:50 <+crythias> now, if you package all these rpms in a nice big bundle, :)
23:50 < jiggie> lol
23:51 <+crythias> next?
23:51 < jiggie> now it needs erl(DateTime::Locale) is needed by perl-DateTime-0.2901-1.1.el3.rf.i386
23:51 < jiggie>         perl(DateTime::TimeZone) is needed by perl-DateTime-0.2901-1.1.el3.rf.i386
23:51 < jiggie>         perl(Params::Validate) is needed by perl-DateTime-0.2901-1.1.el3.rf.i386
23:51 < jiggie> lol
23:51 <+crythias> ftp://rpmfind.net/linux/dag/redhat/el4/en/i386/dag/RPMS/perl-DateTime-Locale-0.22-1.2.el4.rf.i386.rpm
23:52 <+crythias> ftp://rpmfind.net/linux/dag/redhat/el4/en/i386/dag/RPMS/perl-DateTime-TimeZone-0.46-1.el4.rf.i386.rpm
23:52 <+crythias> ftp://rpmfind.net/linux/dag/redhat/el4/en/i386/dag/RPMS/perl-Params-Validate-0.84-1.el4.rf.i386.rpm
23:53 < jiggie> still lots more
23:53 < jiggie> crap
23:53 < jiggie> not so easy afterall
23:53 <+crythias> doesn't RPM have some get dependencies flag?
23:54 < jiggie> will check
23:54  * crythias is loving hist FreeBSD more and more each day.
23:56 < jiggie> lol
23:56 < jiggie> rpm -i software-2.3.4.rpm --nodeps   but that just ignores dependesies
23:57 <+crythias> I gotta go. you have a source to look them up, though. hint: you might put i386 in the architecture box to narrow your searches.
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00:01 < jiggie> i dont see a command to download the dependent files
00:01 < jiggie> thanks
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11:19 < dorel__> hey
11:19 < Radix-wrk> hiya
11:30 < dorel__> whats webgui? :P
11:34 < Radix-wrk> www.plainblack.com/webgui
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12:18 < dorel__> cool
12:18 < dorel__> does webgui have templates and such?
12:21 < xdanger> of course...
12:21 < xdanger> it has everything =)
12:21 < xdanger> well almost
12:21 < xdanger> try out: demo.plainblack.com
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15:21 < jiggie> back
15:36 < xdanger> chansen: I tested (with ab) that the $r->sendfile(); did serve as much request as the current redirect, but the redirect does also another request to actually get the file.
15:36 < xdanger> do you know some easy to use benchmark that would follow redirects ?
15:59 < jiggie> brb
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16:19 < jiggie> sup people
16:19 < jiggie> having this problem httpd failed. The error was: Starting httpd: Syntax error on line 191 of /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf:
16:19 < jiggie> Cannot load /etc/httpd/modules/mod_apreq2.so into server: /etc/httpd/modules/mod_apreq2.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
16:19 < jiggie> [FAILED]
16:19 < jiggie> anyone
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17:16 <+crythias> snapcoun1
17:16 < snapcoun1> yes
17:16 <+crythias> you sen matt?
17:16 <+crythias> seen
17:17 < snapcoun1> priv message
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17:24 <+crythias> ack. your theme killed
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17:25 <+crythias> pango is crashing
17:25 <+crythias> don't know what it means but your theme kills gaim
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21:45 < Dforge> Hello, I'm trying to move a webgui 5.5.8 site to a new host and I'm getting a error when trying to edit the content of a page. "[Thu Jun 08 12:29:46 2006] [error] 3027: ModPerl::Registry: Can't call method "header" on an undefined value at /www/htdocs/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Session.pm line 325.!"
21:46 < Dforge> The host is running Centos 3.7 (RHEL 3.0)
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02:42 < xdanger> snapcoun1: are you here?
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02:55 < DforgeH> YHello
03:06 < DforgeH> I need some help with the error "ModPerl::Registry: Can't call method "header" on an undefined value at /www/htdocs/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Session.pm line 325.!"
03:19 < DforgeH> It looks like return $session{cgi}->header.. is null
03:37 < DforgeH> ', endDate='2082801600', title='What is EntConnect?', groupIdView='7', startDate='946728000', ownerId='3', lastEdited=1149791572, editedBy=27 where wobjectId=1 : Unknown column 'templateId' in 'field list'
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03:51 < snapcoun1> someone rang
03:51 < snapcoun1> xdanger: ping
03:54 < DforgeH> hello
04:06 < xdanger> snapcoun1: just wondering that is there any point in reporting 6.8 bugs?
04:07 < xdanger> And just got a very strange situation on my 6.8...
04:08 < Radix-wrk> navigation stuff not appearing for some users?
04:08 < xdanger> the db reverted to a fresh one, on it's one...
04:08 < xdanger> no, a formhelper operation bug
04:08 < xdanger> or a typo
04:08 < Radix-wrk> ahh.. oh well.. was hoping for more reports of the bug I've encountered :)
04:09 < xdanger> what's that?
04:09 < Radix-wrk> http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/navigation-issues
04:09 < xdanger> your bug I mean...
04:10 < Radix-wrk> Just submitted it then - been frantically looking at our setup the last few days, but another user reported it on the forums - so I've determined it's not just us affected
04:12 < xdanger> is this on 6.8.10 ?
04:12 < Radix-wrk> yeah
04:12 < xdanger> nice...
04:12 < xdanger> if it really happened on it's own...
04:12 < Radix-wrk> got users who can't see the areas they should be able to, and employees who can't see the navigation tree at all for our intranet
04:13 < xdanger> maybe some custom template was placed in the trash, after expiring..
04:13 < xdanger> I had that problem
04:13 < snapcoun1> xdanger: depends
04:13 < Radix-wrk> I can't delete the trash on this setup
04:13 < snapcoun1> if they still exist in 6.99
04:13 < snapcoun1> then yes
04:14 < xdanger> snapcoun1: nope... this was in the browse for asset form function helper operation =)
04:14 < xdanger> that has changed totally in 6.99
04:14 < Radix-wrk> if I use runhourly to delete trash then the whole site goes crazy.. random stuff gets deleted
04:14 < snapcoun1> JT plans on 7 being stable on 7/1
04:15 < xdanger> You propably have the same problem that I did... content expiring..
04:15 < snapcoun1> so I doubt there will be another 6.x release
04:15 < Radix-wrk> fingers crossed :)
04:15 < Radix-wrk> xdanger: any fix for that that I can test then?
04:15 < xdanger> in some 6.x version the content created it had a default of 1year of expiretime
04:16 < xdanger> edit brach the whole site and set the endDate to 2036 =)
04:16 < xdanger> dont test in production server =)
04:16 < Radix-wrk> Hmm.. might try it on a virtual machine setup then to test it out
04:16 < snapcoun1> or at the very least back the db up first
04:17 < Radix-wrk> yeah.. got virtualpc running a clone of our setup - it's great for testing
04:17 < xdanger> snapcoun1: and jfyi: 
04:17 < xdanger> 15:36 < xdanger> chansen: I tested (with ab) that the $r->sendfile(); did serve as much request as the current redirect, but the redirect does also another request  to actually get the file.
04:17 < xdanger> 15:36 < xdanger> do you know some easy to use benchmark that would follow redirects ?
04:17 < DforgeH> Hrm... for some reason the sql database process to get my site to 5.5.8 (Before getting it to 6) didn't add the templateId field for wobject.
04:17 < xdanger> the sendfile method isn't that slow after all..
04:18 < snapcoun1> that's cool
04:18 < xdanger> just don't have enough time to do proper testing
04:19 < DforgeH> Hrm... It's missing the templateID column
04:20 < snapcoun1> are you following the upgrade path in gotcha.txt
04:21 < DforgeH> I'm picking up the peices from someone else
04:21 < snapcoun1> you can't go from 5 straight to 6.8
04:21 < DforgeH> let me check
04:21 < DforgeH> I know, I'm trying to go to 5.5.8 first
04:21 < snapcoun1> oh ok
04:21 < xdanger> snapcoun1: but I'm really worried about the db of one of my sites reverting to a clean one (askin for a new admin & company info)
04:21 < snapcoun1> common mistake so I thought I'd throw it out there =)
04:21 < DforgeH> :) I appreciate it.
04:21 < DforgeH> It's working... mostly...
04:21 < DforgeH> editing fails.
04:21 < snapcoun1> xdanger: what?!
04:22 < snapcoun1> the whole db?
04:22 < DforgeH> YAY!
04:22 < DforgeH> Worked
04:22 < snapcoun1> or it is showing you the config screen?
04:22 < snapcoun1> big diff
04:23 < snapcoun1> are you saying that all of your content disappeared and was replaced by the wG default content?
04:23 < DforgeH> Just grepped through the upgrade scripts and found the missing table alter step.
04:23 < xdanger> I earlier today installed a new site on my webgui server, did some snippeds and remover the default content and was setting a new "home" and "file not found" pages, and after that the deleted content was back, and the new content gone..
04:24 < snapcoun1> do you have pending version tags?
04:24 < xdanger> nope
04:24 < snapcoun1> did you commit your changes I mean?
04:24 < xdanger> clean there also
04:24 < xdanger> auto commit on
04:24 < snapcoun1> wow
04:24 < snapcoun1> this is in 6.8.10?
04:25 < xdanger> the bug that I discovered reletes to setting the home/filenotfound pages, we'll the form..
04:25 < xdanger> return _outputWrapper($i18n->get('choose an asset',$output));
04:25 < xdanger> should be return _outputWrapper($i18n->get('choose an asset'),$output);
04:25 < xdanger> in Operation/FormHelpers.pm
04:25 < xdanger> yep...
04:25 < xdanger> 6.8.10
04:26 < snapcoun1> yeah... extra ) will fsck stuff real nice
04:26 < snapcoun1> misplaced rather
04:26 < snapcoun1> I did that the other day and it took me an hour to figure out wth was going on
04:26 < snapcoun1> no syntax error so it was fun
04:27 < xdanger> that wasn't easy to find also..
04:27 < snapcoun1> those are some of the hardest
04:27 < snapcoun1> b/c you read what *should* be there in your mind
04:27 < snapcoun1> kind of like placing missing words in a sentence as you read
04:27 < xdanger> that tryies to run the whole output as a parameter to i18n =P
04:28 < snapcoun1> nice
04:28 < xdanger> some nasty error in logs =)
04:28 < snapcoun1> I bet
04:28 < xdanger> ::I18N->{'choose an asset'}{message} because syntax error at (eval 1869) line 1, near "$WebGUI::i18n::English::pa href"
04:28 < xdanger> that was the one that guided me to the right place..
04:29 < xdanger> I'm just amazed that no one has bumped into this before
04:29 < xdanger> cuz the whole form of browsing the asset tree in popup isn't workin..
04:30 < snapcoun1> it's surprising what gets missed
04:30 < snapcoun1> try saving some settings in a 7.x site for example =)
04:31 < xdanger> also, later.. I savet the setting (changin the home&404 pages again) I get asket for admin & company info again..
04:31 < xdanger> but this time my info was in them..
04:32 < xdanger> I'm just worried that some user might reset my admin password =/
04:35 < xdanger> But, waiting on 7.0 =)
04:36 < xdanger> now some sleep...
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05:26 < Rad> xdanger: you said that it might be content expiring and to set the endDate - where is that stored in the database if I wanted to change it?
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05:27 < Rad> Ahh.. in assetData it looks like
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05:39 < Rad> yeah, half the Import Node hierarchy is set to end on 2005
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05:45 <+perlDreamer> will the real snapoun* please stand up?
06:28 < snapcoun2> hello
06:28 < snapcoun2> been fighting w/ BrightHouse
06:28 < snapcoun2> I'm loosing
06:28 <+perlDreamer> what is BrightHouse?
06:28 < snapcoun2> ISP
06:29 <+perlDreamer> oy
06:29 < snapcoun2> owned by Time Warner
06:29 <+perlDreamer> is there a #webgui on EFNet?
06:29 < snapcoun2> well, there should be
06:29 < snapcoun2> actually what the brighthouse problem is
06:29 < snapcoun2> I have two cable modems
06:29 < snapcoun2> and hence
06:29 < snapcoun2> two public ip addresses
06:29 < snapcoun2> one of them is not getting an ip
06:30 < snapcoun2> and the 'technicians' are highly confused that two cable modems exist in one residence
06:30 <+perlDreamer> snapcoun2: needs more bandwidth
06:30 < snapcoun2> I actually want to play with that
06:31 < snapcoun2> one more nic in my linux gateway machine and some iptables magic
06:31 < snapcoun2> maybe I can get 15Mbps
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06:32 <@snapcount> so did you check out my Survey fix
06:32 <+perlDreamer> I read it, and it looks better
06:32 <+perlDreamer> but I don't think there are any translations of it yet
06:32 <+perlDreamer> so I can't test it
06:32 <@snapcount> so you feel all warm and fuzzy now =P
06:33 <@snapcount> I am actually a little nervous about it
06:33 <+perlDreamer> oh yes
06:33 <+perlDreamer> eeek! kittens!
06:33 <@snapcount> I might have to face The Godfather's rath
06:33 <@snapcount> wrath
06:34 <+perlDreamer> His rath might be easier
06:34 <+perlDreamer> to face
06:34 <@snapcount> my fix altered the db schema
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06:34 <+perlDreamer> you fixed a bug
06:34 <@snapcount> which !compatible
06:34 <@snapcount> it breaks compatibility though
06:34 <+perlDreamer> there's an upgrade script to handle it
06:35 <@snapcount> that's true
06:35 <@snapcount> duh
06:35 <@snapcount> wth am I thinking
06:35 <@snapcount> it's not like the schema can never change
06:35  * perlDreamer and snappy are too hard on ourselves
06:35 <@snapcount> I have gotten pretty good with ldap over the past couple days
06:35 <@snapcount> I'm happy about that
06:35 <+perlDreamer> really?
06:36 <@snapcount> yeah
06:36 <@snapcount> I cleaned up a lot of the Auth/LDAP code
06:36 <+perlDreamer> Do you know how to suck out all the users in a given LDAP group?
06:36 <@snapcount> yep
06:36 <+perlDreamer> Want to make JT's day?
06:36  * snapcount hesitates =)
06:37 <+perlDreamer> snapcount is hard on himself, but very wise ;)
06:37 <+perlDreamer> here's the deal
06:37 <+perlDreamer> I couldn't finish the great isInGroup work of 2006 because I don't know LDAP
06:37 <+perlDreamer> we need a Group method to slurp all the users from an LDAP group
06:38 <@snapcount> hmm
06:38 <+perlDreamer> just like getDatabaseUsers et. al.
06:38 <+perlDreamer> and, of course, it needs a set of tests
06:38 <@snapcount> the problem is that it has to be configurable
06:38 <@snapcount> the ldap part is easy
06:38 <+perlDreamer> configurable how?
06:38 <@snapcount> you build a search using a dn (starting point) and you need a filter to get the users you want
06:39 <@snapcount> well, all groups would use the same base dn
06:39 <@snapcount> that comes from the ldap connection in settings
06:39 <@snapcount> the trick is the filter
06:39 <@snapcount> I guess it could work like the RDN stuff
06:40 <@snapcount> you need to be able to define the groupId attribute
06:40 <@snapcount> is this making sense
06:40 <@snapcount> ?
06:40 <+perlDreamer> kind of
06:40 <@snapcount> I think I'm rambling
06:40 <@snapcount> let's try a diff way
06:40 <+perlDreamer> isn't there a group field to hold that kind of stuff already?
06:40 <@snapcount> I need to build this:
06:40 <@snapcount> actually
06:41 <@snapcount> damn
06:41 <@snapcount> you need two settings
06:41 <+perlDreamer> condemning things to eternal flame
06:42 <+perlDreamer> 2 settings?
06:42 <@snapcount> a base dn setting (for groupingroup) and a filter setting
06:42 <+perlDreamer> do you need two settings in 6.8 to do the same thing?
06:42 <@snapcount> does 6.8 do this already?
06:43 <+perlDreamer> yes
06:43 <@snapcount> really
06:43 <@snapcount> I wonder how Frank did it and if it's as flexible as my idea
06:43 <+perlDreamer> have a look at User.pm, line 282 in SVN head
06:44 <+perlDreamer> now, that code checks that a particular user is in an LDAP group by some property.
06:44 <+perlDreamer> what needs to be done is to slurp out _all_ users with that property
06:44 <+perlDreamer> which should be the filter you're talking about
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06:46 <+perlDreamer> Radix-wrk makes like an unlemming and implodes?
06:46 <@snapcount> it's the combination of the two
06:47 <@snapcount> an ldap dir is a tree structure
06:47 <@snapcount> base dn is where to start
06:47 <@snapcount> filter is like pruning from there down
06:47 < Radix-wrk> yup.. I implode
06:48 <@snapcount> to get all of them all we have to do
06:48 <@snapcount> is tell it to start at the top of the tree
06:48 <@snapcount> or base (if you consider it an upside down tree)
06:48 <@snapcount> hence 'base dn' =)
06:49 <@snapcount> so, let me look at the code again to put my ldif where my mouth is
06:49 <+perlDreamer> $ldapLink->recurseProperty($group->get("ldapGroup"),$people,$group->get("ldapGroupProperty"),$group->get("ldapRecursiveProperty"));
06:49 <+perlDreamer> that sounds like what you're talking about
06:50 <+perlDreamer> ;)
06:53 <@snapcount> looks like this method will do what you want
06:54 <+perlDreamer> really?
06:54 <+perlDreamer> cool
06:54 <+perlDreamer> that just leaves testing then
06:54 <+perlDreamer> is there any way to set up a small LDAP server via a perl module?
06:55 <@snapcount> not that I'm aware
06:55 <@snapcount> you could write the test though
06:55 <@snapcount> and let the user set env vars to actually run it
06:55 <@snapcount> (pointing to an ldap server)
06:55 <@snapcount> but it's schema dependant
06:55 <@snapcount> so that might be hard
06:55 <+perlDreamer> yeah
06:56 <@snapcount> you could include a sample schema and tell them to load it I suppose
06:57 <@snapcount> there is a limitation in this method however
06:57 <+perlDreamer> oh?
06:57 <@snapcount> it will start dropping group members
06:57 <@snapcount> starting with number 100
06:57 <@snapcount> there is a failsafe to prevent infinite recursion
06:57 <@snapcount> it needs to be over-rideable
06:58 <@snapcount> from the method call
06:58 <+perlDreamer> so that you could have a bunch of LDAP users
06:58 <@snapcount> for this you'd probably want to pass a -1 and disable that check
06:58 <+perlDreamer> you'd still like to disable infinite recursion
06:59 <@snapcount> well, it's kind of silly
06:59 <+perlDreamer> but it should be settable, either in the Group or LDAP setups
06:59 <@snapcount> it can't happen that I can see
06:59 <@snapcount> I mean it's running a search on the ldap server using Net::LDAP
06:59 <@snapcount> the number of itterations == number search results
07:00 <+perlDreamer> sounds like a bug needs to be submitted
07:00 <+perlDreamer> but it must not be a big thing among current LDAP users, otherwise they'd have found it by now
07:03 <@snapcount> I need to study this
07:04 <+perlDreamer> okay
07:04 <@snapcount> I can do it tommorow
07:04 <+perlDreamer> When you're done, close the bug for it on the board.
07:04 <+perlDreamer> That will make JT's day
07:04 <+perlDreamer> In the meantime, I'll keep hacking template variables
07:05 <@snapcount> do you think you could make a 6.99.3 site with a survey that has a few sections
07:05 <@snapcount> then upgrade it
07:05 <@snapcount> to make sure my upgrade sub works
07:05 <+perlDreamer> I can do that
07:05 <+perlDreamer> I think ;)
07:05 <@snapcount> it's the only thing I didn't test
07:06 <@snapcount> all the upgrade does is find the sectionId of the section named "none" and store it in the Survey table as defaultSectionId
07:06 <@snapcount> pretty simple but rather be safe
07:10 <+perlDreamer> is there a schedule for .4 yet?
07:11 <+perlDreamer> I mean 6.99.4?
07:17 <+perlDreamer> Here's what I got:
07:17 <+perlDreamer> DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Unknown column 'assetId' in 'where clause' at ../../lib/WebGUI/SQL/ResultSet.pm line 122.
07:20 <+perlDreamer> snapcount:  I think I can fix this, do you want me to?
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07:21 <+perlDreamer> snapcount: you're getting schizo
07:21 <+perlDreamer> either that, or I need new glasses
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07:22 <+perlDreamer> snapcoun1: did you get any of the last several messages?
07:39 <+perlDreamer> snapcoun1: ping
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11:07 < Radix-wrk> Have a good weekend everyone.. I'm outta here :)
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14:25 < chansen> xdanger: sorry, was AFK
14:25 < chansen> xdanger: not sure what you mean, can you elaborate?
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15:17 < walaki> hi folks
15:19 < walaki> how can I log out a user after a he submits a form?
15:19 < walaki> could somebody help me with this, please?
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21:01 < walaki> anybody here?
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02:08 < walaki> everybody's partying?
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04:38 < walaki> hi Radix-wrk
04:42 < Radix-wrk> mornin'
04:47 < walaki> it depends where you live (o:, it's 3:47 am here
04:47 < walaki> son I can call it morning
04:48 < walaki> could you help me, please?
04:48 < walaki> how can I log out a user after a he submits a form?
05:12 < Radix-wrk> send him to  the url "?op=auth;method=logout" once he's submitted it.
05:27 < walaki> $self->getUrl('func=op=auth;method=logout');
05:27 < walaki> this is the url, right?
05:28 < walaki> but how can I send him?
05:40 < Radix-wrk> I don't know :(  I don't use the webgui form handler much myself - and use another one that we've used for years to do our form processing called bformmail.
06:06 < walaki> tx
06:06 < walaki> any idea?I just need to log out the user, after the form data has been saved
06:07 < walaki> reason is not to allow him to press the back button and screw things up
06:08 < walaki> it is good or even in the from souce code or anything
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17:14 < walaki> hello
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17:58 < walaki> hello
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23:21 < Jiggie> hey guis
23:21 < Jiggie> guys
23:21 < Jiggie> i'm deperate to try to get this webgui working
23:21 < Jiggie> running fedora core 5
23:21 < Jiggie> apache2 perl module error
23:22 < Jiggie> needs libapr
23:30 < walaki> hey
23:31 < walaki> although I can't help you it is good to see someone here
23:34 < walaki> the gurus are not paying attention here, I am waiting for them also, and I am waiting for sooooo long
23:35 < walaki> you want to install from source or the WRE?
23:42 < Jiggie> source
23:42 < Jiggie> using fc 5
23:42 < Jiggie> its just one dependency over another
23:42 < Jiggie> these people should inclued all this crap on the download
23:43 < Jiggie> walaki so where are you stuck
23:44 < walaki> I am not installing it, I make code modifications to the survey modul to mak
23:46 < walaki> to the survey modul's quiz mode, to make it point based, instead of correct/wrong answer based
23:46 < walaki> I'm using old stable under a virtual machine with win2k
23:46 < Jiggie> ohh
23:47 < walaki> windows-zip-n-go worked lin a minute or so
23:47 < Jiggie> i gopt it running under windows
23:47 < Jiggie> thats easy
23:47 < Jiggie> linux is the problem
23:47 < walaki> there is a WRE for linux, it's like the zip-n-go under win, but I haven't tried it
23:48 < Jiggie> i know
23:48 < Jiggie> but source you learn from building it
23:48 < walaki> but it's very possible, that you need additional perl modules from cpan
23:48 < Jiggie> wre is just too window slike
23:48 < Jiggie> yep thats the problem
23:48 < Jiggie> its building some and some does not work
23:48 < Jiggie> weird
23:48 < Jiggie> why can they just have 1 module with everything included
23:49 < walaki> there's reason I suppose (o:
23:49 < walaki> are you in cms biz?
23:50 < Jiggie> nope
23:51 < Jiggie> but the company i started to work for has the intranet and website made with this perl stuff
23:51 < Jiggie> and now they want me to upgrade from a very old version to the new one they purchase
23:55 < walaki> which new one? the stable is not here yet!
23:58 < Jiggie> 6.8
23:58 < Jiggie> the old version is 6.2
23:58 < Jiggie> i think
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00:04 < Jiggie> bb tomorrow
00:06 < walaki> that's not so old
00:07 < walaki> I think I would wait for the new stable, it's really close
00:08 < walaki> which time zone are you?
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13:07 < walaki> silence of the octopuses?
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14:31 < xdanger> martin, what's the weather like in holland?
14:32 <+MrHairgrease> 30 degrees or so
14:32 <+MrHairgrease> www.knmi.nl
14:32 < xdanger> here it's only 25 or something like that
14:33 < xdanger> but this is our first summer in our new office, and I have to say that things are going to be warm this summer...
14:33 <+MrHairgrease> that's pretty hot for finland right?
14:34 < xdanger> our summer isn't as cold as the winter ;)
14:34 <+MrHairgrease> our office is also 'cooled' by open windows.
14:34 < xdanger> it's normally around 20 degrees...
14:34 < xdanger> http://www.fmi.fi/
14:36 < xdanger> just would like to go to the beach and drink some beer or cider =)
14:36  * MrHairgrease sips from his coffee
14:37 < xdanger> a question... How have you (if you have) done multi-lingual sites?
14:37 < xdanger> a different root or a different webgui for different languages?
14:41 <+MrHairgrease> yes
14:41 <+MrHairgrease> and use apache rewrite rules to redirect
14:41 <+MrHairgrease> so
14:42 <+MrHairgrease> rewrite mycompany.com -> mycompany.com/en
14:42 <+MrHairgrease> mycompany.nl -> mycompany.nl/nl
14:42 <+MrHairgrease> however
14:42 <+MrHairgrease> rewriterules used to fuck up in  6.8
14:43 <+MrHairgrease> I dunno if that's still the case
14:43 < xdanger> so different root, or different webgui? :)
14:43 <+MrHairgrease> it has to do with the fact that the wg handler is in an earlier apachecyclestage that the mod_rwrite handler
14:43 <+MrHairgrease> so the uri is fetched before it is rewritten
14:44 <+MrHairgrease> and wg doesn't take it into account
14:44 <+MrHairgrease> different root
14:44 <+MrHairgrease> same webgui
14:44 < xdanger> we'll I can do that with mod_proxy..
14:44 <+MrHairgrease> prolly yes
14:44 <+MrHairgrease> let me know how it works out
14:45 < xdanger> I was thinking of using a different webgui, that way I get the right language 404 page, and errors..
14:45 < xdanger> since there isn't a "language" column in assets =)
14:45 <+MrHairgrease> yeah
14:45 < xdanger> (and that would be a great idea ;))
14:45 <+MrHairgrease> but you also have to duplicate collateral users groups
14:45 <+MrHairgrease> etc
14:46 <+MrHairgrease> two diffrent webgui instances for the same site is a bad idea imho
14:46 < xdanger> That's now a problem, since there is something like 4 admins that have to be in the both..
14:47 <+MrHairgrease> language fields in the assettree have a lot of impact
14:47 < xdanger> how would JT react to a request for a langeuge info for an asset? =)
14:47 <+MrHairgrease> it's noteasy as you would think at first
14:47 < xdanger> I know
14:47 <+MrHairgrease> you can do that
14:47 <+MrHairgrease> but I think I know his answer =)
14:47 < xdanger> I think this was talked about in the dev-list few years ago =(
14:48 < xdanger> But since wg is much more modular these days, it could be done more easily
14:49 <+MrHairgrease> yeah
14:49 <+MrHairgrease> but it is still very difficult
14:49 < xdanger> maybe override something in session =)
14:49 <+MrHairgrease> especially since we have versioning now
14:49 < xdanger> based on the assets language
14:50 < xdanger> that too...
14:52 < xdanger> Hmm.. I'll have to do some research about this =P
16:14 < Jiggie> ok back
16:15 < Jiggie> morning people
16:15 <+MrHairgrease> hi
16:16 <+MrHairgrease> good afternoon
16:16 < Jiggie> its 9 am
16:16 <+MrHairgrease> no it's 3pm
16:16 <+MrHairgrease> you must be confused =)
16:17 < Jiggie> lo
16:17 < Jiggie> time
16:17 < Jiggie> NY time
16:18 < Jiggie> where can i download wrebuild-x.x.x-prereqs.tar.gz
16:18 <+MrHairgrease> sf.net?
16:18 <+MrHairgrease> sf.net/projects/pbwebgui that is
16:18 <+MrHairgrease> click on files somewhere on the page
16:20 < Jiggie> ok
16:21 < Jiggie> i'm giving up installing from source
16:21 < Jiggie> too many dependencies with perl
16:21 < Jiggie> so gonna install wre on fedora core 5
16:22 < xdanger> perl dependencies are not that hard...
16:22 <+MrHairgrease> libapreq can suck very hard
16:23 < xdanger> we'll that
16:23 < xdanger> but the others ;)
16:24 <+MrHairgrease> it can be a pain
16:24 <+MrHairgrease> however i have done it so often that i can almost dream it
16:24 < xdanger> haven't tried...
16:24 <+MrHairgrease> bad nightmares =)
16:24 < xdanger> what's the catch?
16:24 < xdanger> http://ascii-wm.net/
16:26 < Jiggie> so why not provide a link to a how to
16:26 < Jiggie> cause every time i get one , it dependos on another one
16:26 < Jiggie> too much of a hassle
16:26 <+MrHairgrease> maybe I'll make an howto some day
16:26 < Jiggie> and the cpan crap does not always buiild it cause its miussing some other crap
16:26 <+MrHairgrease> but right now I'm too busy
16:26 <+MrHairgrease> unfortunately
16:26 < Jiggie> someday soon pls
16:27 <+MrHairgrease> I might add that we compile a brand new apache/perl/imagemagick/etc for each seperate wg instance we have
16:28 <+MrHairgrease> so we do not interact too much with the os
16:28 <+MrHairgrease> and the stuff it installs
16:28 <+MrHairgrease> only some libs of course
16:29 < Jiggie> if i can be of any help
16:29 < Jiggie> i have fedora core 5 and rhES 4
16:29 < Jiggie> and they both require a shit load of stuff
16:29 <+MrHairgrease> I think or servers run gentoo
16:29 < Jiggie> now i'm at the apache2 perl module needed
16:29 <+MrHairgrease> but I'm not 100% sure
16:30 < Jiggie> i updated everything using yum and still
16:30 <+MrHairgrease> libapreq?
16:30 <+MrHairgrease> ah
16:30 < Jiggie> yep
16:30 < Jiggie> that needs something to install let me try again
16:30 < Jiggie> maybe you can help
16:30 <+MrHairgrease> I never tried to do it trhough package management stuff
16:30 <+MrHairgrease> so no
16:30 <+MrHairgrease> unfortunately
16:30 < Jiggie> well i downlaod the perl modules manually and install one by one
16:30 < Jiggie> when it ask
16:30 <+MrHairgrease> I would try through the wre
16:31 <+MrHairgrease> asks what?
16:31 < Jiggie> he perl module Apache2::Request
16:31 < Jiggie> i need that
16:31 <+MrHairgrease> If you compile it by hand you need to pass it some params
16:32 <+MrHairgrease> It doesn't work using cpan directly
16:32 <+MrHairgrease> it sucks
16:32 < Jiggie> here is what i get
16:32 < Jiggie> configure: error: C preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
16:32 < Jiggie> how can i fix that
16:32 <+MrHairgrease> no idea
16:32 < Jiggie> lol
16:32 <+MrHairgrease> never saw that error
16:32 <+MrHairgrease> have you googled for it?
16:32 < Jiggie> this is a fresh install of fedora
16:32 < Jiggie> yep
16:32 < Jiggie> compiler error
16:36 <+MrHairgrease> You might try goin to the ~/.cpan/build/libapreq-etcetcetc
16:36 <+MrHairgrease> directory
16:36 <+MrHairgrease> then do something like ./configure --help
16:37 <+MrHairgrease> and fill in most of the paths to you compiler and stuff
16:37 <+MrHairgrease> using the commandline options
16:37 < Jiggie> this is what i think i need glibc-devel-2.4-8
16:37 <+MrHairgrease> maybe
16:37 <+MrHairgrease> I can't tell
16:38 <+MrHairgrease> It's a shame but I'm not a system guru =)
16:38 < Jiggie> i'm
16:38 < Jiggie> an expert on breaking them
16:38 <+MrHairgrease> hey, me too!
16:38 < Jiggie> we can make tons of money
16:38 < Jiggie> glibc-devel-2.4-8.i386.rpm is already installed
16:39 < Jiggie> shit
16:41 < Jiggie> when i istall it using the rpm manager it says its installed
16:41 < Jiggie> when i do it command line it needs glib-headers
16:42 < Jiggie> Checking for module Apache2::Request:        Not Installed
16:42 < Jiggie> crap
16:43 <+MrHairgrease> are you sure it needs glib headers?
16:43 <+MrHairgrease> it prolly also need mod_perl headers
16:43 <+MrHairgrease> apache header files etc
16:43 < Jiggie> Please tell me where I can find your apache src
16:44 < Jiggie> thats what its asking for now
16:44 < Jiggie> lol
16:44 < Jiggie> after i installed the lib-headers
16:44 < Jiggie> no more compiler error
16:44 < Jiggie> its doing a make
16:44 <+MrHairgrease> I don't think it needs the source
16:44 <+MrHairgrease> only header files
16:44 < Jiggie> mod_perl-1.29
16:45 < Jiggie> it seems to be working now
16:45 < Jiggie> wohoo
16:45 < Jiggie> doing some giverish stuff
16:45 <+MrHairgrease> do not install mod[perl 1.29 !!!!
16:45 <+MrHairgrease> you need m_p 2
16:46 <+MrHairgrease> you should specify --with-apxs=/my/apache/bin/apxs
16:50 < Jiggie> where can i ge mod perl 2
16:50 < Jiggie> i'm very tired of looking around
16:50 <+MrHairgrease> you need a package like apache-mod-perl-2.x
16:50 <+MrHairgrease> dunno what the rpm is called in fedora
16:51 <+MrHairgrease> just search for mod_perl
16:51 <+MrHairgrease> or mod-perl
16:51 <+MrHairgrease> or apache perl
16:51 <+MrHairgrease> or something else =)
16:52 < Jiggie> ok
16:57 < Jiggie> Name : mod_perl 	
16:57 < Jiggie> Version : 2.0.2 	Vendor : Red Hat, Inc_
16:57 < Jiggie> Release : 5.1
16:57 <+MrHairgrease> that's the one
16:57 <+MrHairgrease> now you might be able to install libapreq trhough yum
17:02 < Jiggie> mod_perl-2.0.2-5.1.i386.rpm is already installed
17:02 < Jiggie> weird
17:02 <+MrHairgrease> ok
17:02 < Jiggie> how do i do it using yum
17:02 < Jiggie> just to make sure
17:04 < Jiggie> error: package mod_perl-2.0.2-5.1.i386.rpm is not installed
17:04 < Jiggie> lol
17:04 < Jiggie> if i didnt hate windows
17:04 < Jiggie> i would love it by now
17:04 <+MrHairgrease> ha
17:04 < Jiggie> all these linix crap
17:04 < Jiggie> i miss my mac
17:04 <+MrHairgrease> try installing it on windows
17:04 < Jiggie> it works on windows
17:05 <+MrHairgrease> that'll keep you busy for a looooong time
17:05 < Jiggie> but i cant export the database to windows from linux
17:05 <+MrHairgrease> really?
17:05 <+MrHairgrease> why not?
17:05 < Jiggie> dunno
17:05 < Jiggie> thats what somebody here said
17:05 < Jiggie> cause i had it owrking on windows
17:05 < Jiggie> but then i told them the versions that i had and they said it would not work
17:05 < Jiggie> because its too old
17:06 <+MrHairgrease> well
17:06 <+MrHairgrease> I'm not 100% sure
17:06 <+MrHairgrease> but if you dump the db using mysqldump
17:06 <+MrHairgrease> and insert it into your linux mysql
17:06 <+MrHairgrease> using the mysql command
17:06 <+MrHairgrease> i reckon it'll work
17:06 < Jiggie> it should work
17:06 <+MrHairgrease> yeah
17:06 < Jiggie> not to worry
17:07 < Jiggie> its gonna work on linux
17:07 < Jiggie> it has too
17:07 < Jiggie> also i'm learning this way
17:08 <+MrHairgrease> heh
17:08 < Jiggie> the windows way i didnt learn shit
17:08 <+MrHairgrease> the glass is half full right?
17:08 <+MrHairgrease> that's true
17:10 < Jiggie> or half empty
17:38 < Jiggie> APACHE_SRC
17:38 < Jiggie> where is that
17:38 <+MrHairgrease> that's an env variable right?
17:39 <+MrHairgrease> you shouldn't need that
17:39 <+MrHairgrease> did you install the mod_perl and apache header files?
17:39 < Jiggie> mod perl is installed
17:40 < Jiggie> apache header will check
17:42 <+MrHairgrease> also
17:42 <+MrHairgrease> try lib apache request through yum again
17:42 <+MrHairgrease> it'll prolly save you trouble
17:43 <+MrHairgrease> I dunno how well prcompiled apache/mod_perl goes together with manually libapreq2
17:46 < Jiggie> so do a yum search apache request
17:46 < Jiggie> or what
17:48 <+MrHairgrease> somthing like it
17:49 < Jiggie> Missing Dependency: multiarch-utils is needed by package apache2-devel
17:49 < Jiggie> Missing Dependency: perl-base is needed by package apache2-devel
17:49 < Jiggie> Missing Dependency: autoconf2.5 is needed by package apache2-devel
17:49 < Jiggie> Missing Dependency: automake1.7 is needed by package apache2-devel
17:49 < Jiggie> lol
17:50 <+MrHairgrease> =)
17:50 <+MrHairgrease> linux: even more fun with a beer =)
17:51 < Jiggie> i'm at work
17:51 < Jiggie> so no beer for me
17:51 < Jiggie> i never had problems with linux like this b4
17:52 <+MrHairgrease> yeah
17:52 <+MrHairgrease> I know the feeling
17:58 < Jiggie> installed 2 more dependencies
17:58 < Jiggie> lol
17:58 < Jiggie> libtool
17:58 < Jiggie> lets see now
17:58 < Jiggie> 1/3): autoconf-2.59-7.no 100% |=========================| 641 kB    00:04
17:58 < Jiggie> (2/3): automake-1.9.6-2.n 100% |=========================| 487 kB    00:03
17:58 < Jiggie> (3/3): libtool-1.5.22-2.3 100% |=========================| 678 kB    00:05
18:15 < Jiggie> where can i find ImageMagick
18:16 <+MrHairgrease> package is called something like
18:16 <+MrHairgrease> lib-perl-imagamagick
18:16 <+MrHairgrease> prolly best to search for magick
18:31 < Jiggie> libgvc.so.2
18:31 < Jiggie> need that to install imagemagik
18:31 < Jiggie> hahaha
18:31 <+MrHairgrease> if you say so
18:31 <+MrHairgrease> don't you use yum for im?
18:32 < Jiggie> i did
18:32 < Jiggie> yum does not install image magik
18:33 < Jiggie> now libpng12.so
18:33 < Jiggie> lol
18:33 < Jiggie> is only 1
18:33 <+MrHairgrease> heh
18:33 <+MrHairgrease> have fun compiling
18:33 <+MrHairgrease> don't forget to install freetype
18:33 <+MrHairgrease> or you won't be able to have fonts
18:34 <+MrHairgrease> which you need for capcha's and the ueber cool graphs
18:35 < Jiggie> going to yum extender
18:35 < Jiggie> and its updating
18:42 < xdanger> MrHairgrease: could you help me with something... just to verify that I'm not stupid...
18:42 < xdanger> we'll more stupid that I know..
18:43 < xdanger> If you have a navigation which does only include decentants, and you make it relative to root, it ignores the startpoint... thus includin decentant even if thei are "over" the startpoint?
18:45 <+MrHairgrease> it should always ignore the startpoint
18:45 <+MrHairgrease> if you want to include that select also self
18:45 <+MrHairgrease> I guess
18:45 <+MrHairgrease> =)
18:45 <+MrHairgrease> long time since I really tried it
18:46 <+MrHairgrease> I'll email you a presentation of mine about it
18:46 <+MrHairgrease> what's your email?
18:47 < xdanger> I wan't to ignore them =)
18:47 < xdanger> jukka.raimovaara@axxion.fi
18:48 < xdanger> I want to have one navigation that doesn't display pages under the home page, which is directly under root..
18:48 < xdanger> but it displaye desentants of thous pages when on one of thouse pages =)
18:48 <+MrHairgrease> hmm
18:49 <+MrHairgrease> starpoint: here
18:49 <+MrHairgrease> descendants
18:49 <+MrHairgrease> does that work for you
18:49 <+MrHairgrease> ?
18:49 < Jiggie> yum is installing a shitload of crap to satisfy dependencies
18:51 < xdanger> yes, but then it'll include the desentants on the home page there...
18:51 < xdanger> you'll get the point: http://beta.axxion.fi/home
18:52 <+MrHairgrease> I do not understand
18:52 <+MrHairgrease> You want this right
18:52 <+MrHairgrease> the descendants of the page you're on
18:52 <+MrHairgrease> right?
18:54 < xdanger> yep, but not on the homepage...
18:55 < xdanger> only after /1/2/*
18:56 < xdanger> I could do a different style template for the frontpage, but I just thought that the startpoins should work the way I want to
18:59 <+MrHairgrease> startpoints can be tricky
18:59 <+MrHairgrease> you might try to set the startpoint to /home
18:59 <+MrHairgrease> an use descendants
18:59 <+MrHairgrease> with an offset of /a/ (+1)
19:00 <+MrHairgrease> see the presentation I emailed you
19:00 <+MrHairgrease> I contains very nice examples
19:00 < xdanger> but again it will include /home/page[1-3]
19:01 < xdanger> that's pretty much the opposite efect that I wan't to do =)
19:01 <+MrHairgrease> you do not want to include /home/page[1-3]?
19:01 <+MrHairgrease> i thought only /home
19:02 <+MrHairgrease> in that case set the offset to /a/b/
19:02 < xdanger> that doesn't work
19:02 < xdanger> desentants setting ignores the startpoint =)
19:02 < xdanger> that's what I'm trying to say..
19:03 < xdanger> if your on /home I don't want it to include /home/page[1-3]
19:04 < xdanger> but when your on /home/page1 I want it to include /home/page1/page[1-3]
19:04 <+MrHairgrease> yeah I understand
19:04 <+MrHairgrease> a moment
19:04 <+MrHairgrease> I'll look it up
19:04 < xdanger> I'm not so good in explaining myswlf in english =)
19:04 < xdanger> s/mysqlf/myself/
19:06 <+MrHairgrease> i know =)
19:06 <+MrHairgrease> ok
19:06 <+MrHairgrease> what is your start point type?
19:10 < xdanger> relative to root
19:10 < xdanger> and if I set it to /a/b/c/d/e/f/g (+6) it still displaye the sameway
19:10 <+MrHairgrease> oh
19:11 <+MrHairgrease> set what to /a/b/c/d/e/f/g (?
19:11 <+MrHairgrease> the descndant end point?
19:12 < Jiggie> mod_perl-1.29  do i have to update that in order to run webgui on fc 5
19:13 <+MrHairgrease> 1.29 is NOT good
19:13 <+MrHairgrease> you need two
19:13 < Jiggie> thats what cpan uses
19:13 <+MrHairgrease> m_p 2 that is
19:13 < Jiggie> so how can i upgrade
19:13 <+MrHairgrease> do you try to install Apache2::Request?
19:13 < Jiggie> and make sure that cpan does not use that
19:13 < Jiggie> thats what its doing right now
19:13 < Jiggie> and its looking into that pod perl
19:14 <+MrHairgrease> ok
19:14 <+MrHairgrease> cancel
19:14 < Jiggie> suggestions?
19:14 < Jiggie> ok then waht
19:14 <+MrHairgrease> go to ~/.cpan/build/lib-apache etc
19:14 <+MrHairgrease> than do a ./configure --help
19:14 <+MrHairgrease> and pass the correct parameters
19:15 <+MrHairgrease> you prolly should do something like --with-apache2-apxs=/my/apache/in/apxs
19:15 < Jiggie> so i should do that on a terminal..
19:15 < Jiggie> just to make sure
19:15 <+MrHairgrease> yeah
19:15 <+MrHairgrease> I you use cpan you must
19:15 < Jiggie> ?
19:16 <+MrHairgrease> you used cpan to install Apache2::Request right?
19:16 < Jiggie> yeah
19:16 < Jiggie> i ran perl testE..
19:16 < Jiggie> and it said apache:: requeste not installed
19:16 < Jiggie> and it wanted to install
19:16 < Jiggie> so i said yes
19:16 < Jiggie> and its going
19:16 <+MrHairgrease> ok
19:16 <+MrHairgrease> but if it wants to install mod_perl 1.29
19:17 <+MrHairgrease> don't let it
19:17 <+MrHairgrease> just cancel and do the stuff I just mentioned
19:17 <+MrHairgrease> on a terminal
19:17 < Jiggie> so i should fix it how exactly
19:17 <+MrHairgrease> as root (probably)
19:17 < Jiggie> ok
19:17 < Jiggie> i'm root
19:17 <+MrHairgrease> very good
19:17 < Jiggie> and doing cd ~/.cpan/build/lib-apache
19:18 < Jiggie> lib-apache not there
19:18 < Jiggie> only folders in cpan are build - bundle - histfile - metadata - sources
19:18 < Jiggie> what am i missing
19:20 < Jiggie> hairgrease ?
19:21 <+MrHairgrease> it's called something like libapreq2 or so
19:21 <+MrHairgrease> do an ls -l ~/.cpan/build/*
19:21 <+MrHairgrease> you should find it
19:23 < Jiggie> ok
19:23 < Jiggie> no file lib1preq2
19:23 <+MrHairgrease> ~/.cpan/build/libapreq2-2.07/
19:24 <+MrHairgrease> that's what it is at my place
19:24 <+MrHairgrease> if it isn't there
19:24 < Jiggie> ok in
19:24 <+MrHairgrease> found it?
19:24 < Jiggie> that directory yes
19:24 <+MrHairgrease> ye
19:25 <+MrHairgrease> ./configure --enable-perl-glue --with-apache2-apxs="" --with-perl="/usr/bin/perl"
19:25 <+MrHairgrease> now do that
19:25 <+MrHairgrease> fill in the correct path to apxs
19:25 <+MrHairgrease> and perl
19:25 <+MrHairgrease> of course
19:25 < Jiggie> ok
19:25 < Jiggie> is that default what you gave me
19:26 <+MrHairgrease> yeah
19:26 < Jiggie> its configuring
19:26 <+MrHairgrease> well
19:26 <+MrHairgrease> I guess =)
19:26 < Jiggie> i dind tknow it was so complicated to get it started
19:26 < Jiggie> from fedora core 5
19:26 < Jiggie> it does not come with anything
19:28 < Jiggie> build/version_check.pl failed: no version_string found in '' for 'apache2'.
19:28 < Jiggie> configure: error: Bad apache2 binary (/)
19:28 < Jiggie> no good
19:28 <+MrHairgrease> pfff
19:28 < Jiggie> so i should remove apache2 and re-install it
19:29 <+MrHairgrease> paste your exaxct line
19:29 <+MrHairgrease> pls
19:29 < Jiggie> yum remove apache2 like so?
19:29 < Jiggie> or i can use the extender and remove from there
19:30 < Jiggie> build/version_check.pl failed: no version_string found in '' for 'apache2'.
19:30 < Jiggie> configure: error: Bad apache2 binary (/)
19:30 < Jiggie> checking whether to enable maintainer-specific portions of Makefiles... no
19:30 < Jiggie> ./configure: line 19919: -q: command not found
19:30 < Jiggie> ./configure: line 19933: -q: command not found
19:30 < Jiggie> ./configure: line 19937: -q: command not found
19:30 < Jiggie> ./configure: line 19941: -q: command not found
19:30 < Jiggie> ./configure: line 19941: -q: command not found
19:30 < Jiggie> build/version_check.pl failed: no version_string found in '' for 'apache2'.
19:30 < Jiggie> configure: error: Bad apache2 binary (/)
19:30 <+MrHairgrease> no
19:31 <+MrHairgrease> the ./configure line you typed.
19:31 < Jiggie> the same u gave me....
19:31 <+MrHairgrease> yeah but did you put in the apxs binary in the --with-apache2-apxs
19:31 <+MrHairgrease> ?
19:32 < Jiggie> [root@intranet2 libapreq2-2.07]# ./configure --enable-perl-glue --with-apache2-apxs="" --with-perl="/usr/bin/perl"
19:32 <+MrHairgrease> not good
19:32 < Jiggie> whats missing
19:32 <+MrHairgrease> --with-apache2-apxs=""
19:32 <+MrHairgrease> you have to enter the path to the apxs binary
19:32 < Jiggie> searching for it now
19:33 < Jiggie> usr/bin
19:33 <+MrHairgrease> -with-apache2-apxs="/usr/bin/apxs"
19:34 < Jiggie> ok
19:34 < Jiggie> running
19:34 < xdanger> MrHairgrease: I was talking aput the startpoint, so I set that to /a/b/c....
19:36 <+MrHairgrease> As far as I can tell it should work
19:36 <+MrHairgrease> maybe it's a bug
19:36 <+MrHairgrease> you can also try to  set start point type to specific url
19:36 <+MrHairgrease> and use home as startpoint
19:36 <+MrHairgrease> then descendants
19:37 <+MrHairgrease> oh wait
19:37 <+MrHairgrease> that prolly doesn't work
19:37 <+MrHairgrease> b/c it includes /home/page[123]
19:44 < xdanger> MrHairgrease: ok, go to a demo, change the main navigation, set the startpoint to a lower point, It changes nothing..
19:44 < xdanger> http://demo.plainblack.com/demo1150216930_416/home
19:45 < Jiggie> same error
19:45 < Jiggie> build/version_check.pl failed: no version_string found in '' for 'apache2'.
19:45 < Jiggie> configure: error: Bad apache2 binary (/)
19:46 <+MrHairgrease> Ok
19:46 <+MrHairgrease> I don't know anymore
19:46 <+MrHairgrease> and I have to go home
19:47 <+MrHairgrease> it's about 18:45 here and 30 degrees or so
19:47  * MrHairgrease need... fresh.. air
19:47 <+MrHairgrease> succes
19:47 <+MrHairgrease> later
19:48 < Jiggie> humm
19:48 < Jiggie> u going for a smoke
19:48 <+MrHairgrease> no
19:48 <+MrHairgrease> for a meal
19:48 <+MrHairgrease> and a lot of booze
19:48 <+MrHairgrease> =)
19:49 <+MrHairgrease> bye
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19:49 < Jiggie> can u be of help
19:51 < Jiggie> brb
19:51 < Jiggie> need to reboot
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17:50 <@rizen> martin...are you actually here?
17:50 <+MrHairgrease> yes
17:50 <@rizen> cool
17:51 <@rizen> i need you to talk with one of my writers
17:51 <@rizen> she's putting together an article on the new features in 7
17:51 <+MrHairgrease> ok
17:51 <+MrHairgrease> when
17:51 <+MrHairgrease> how
17:51 <+MrHairgrease> what
17:51 <@rizen> right now
17:51 <@rizen> i'm getting her an irc client
17:51 <+MrHairgrease> how long will it take?
17:52 <@rizen> 5 minutes once she gets on
17:52 <+MrHairgrease> oh
17:52 <@rizen> she's downloading a client now
17:52 <+MrHairgrease> that's all right
17:52 <+MrHairgrease> I'm merging part of the asset tree in one database
17:52 <@rizen> it's just a paragraph or two about sql form
17:52 <+MrHairgrease> with one in another
17:52 <@rizen> whoa
17:53 <@rizen> how's that working out for you?
17:53 <+MrHairgrease> very tiresome
17:53 <+MrHairgrease> I had the script working
17:53 <+MrHairgrease> but it did not take inaccount
17:53 <+MrHairgrease> the ordering on layouts
17:53 <+MrHairgrease> anyway
17:53 <+MrHairgrease> I've wasted enough time on it
17:53 <+MrHairgrease> oh
17:53 <+MrHairgrease> and it can only handle two type of assets
17:54 <+MrHairgrease> it ignores the rest
17:54 <+MrHairgrease> but that suits my needs
17:54 <@rizen> if they're all assets..then you should be able to import them all using the same asset ids
17:54 <@rizen> and therefore your layout's won't get foobared
17:54 <@rizen> guids are unique
17:54 <+MrHairgrease> hmmm
17:55 <+MrHairgrease> maybe
17:55 <+MrHairgrease> I thought about that
17:55 <+MrHairgrease> but I decided not to
17:55 <+MrHairgrease> not quite sure why anymore
17:55 <@rizen> that's the principle that the package exports work from
17:55 <+MrHairgrease> ok
17:55 <@rizen> in fact..you may be able to use the code from the packages system to do this
17:55 <+MrHairgrease> but how do you handle collateral
17:55 <@rizen> depending upon what  assets you have
17:55 <@rizen> are they both webgui 7 sites?
17:56 <+MrHairgrease> and changed templateId's and stuff
17:56 <+MrHairgrease> no it's 6.something -> 6.8
17:56 <@rizen> ok, so you can't literally use the packages system
17:56 <+MrHairgrease> anyway
17:56 <@rizen> but you could use the principles
17:56 <+MrHairgrease> I have the script working
17:56 <@rizen> ok
17:56 <@rizen> i'll shut up now then
17:56 <@rizen> =)
17:56 < xdanger> rizen: in the v7 there is wgpackages... when you import one and guid:s collide, does it autogenerate a new one for the importet one?
17:56 <+MrHairgrease> I only have to update the contentpositions
17:57 <@rizen> no..if they collide, then it assumes it is a new version of the same asset
17:57 <@rizen> and creates a new revision of it
17:57 < xdanger> o, of course..
17:57 < xdanger> stupid of me =)
17:57 <+MrHairgrease> but the chance of colliding guids is very slim
17:57 <@rizen> it's ultra slim
17:58 <@rizen> the biggest danger of colliding guids actually comes from guids that are manually entered by humans
17:58 <+MrHairgrease> jt
17:59 <+MrHairgrease> how do you handle lineage in the way you just described
18:00 <@rizen> you have to generate a new lineage, but you use the old lineage to do the ordering
18:00 <@rizen> so you order by old lineage
18:00 <@rizen> and then just walk the tree
18:00 < xdanger> rizen: a question... I have to do a multi-lingual site, and I'm considering that I install one site with finnish content and finnis as default language and another with english...
18:00 <@rizen> doing addChild/addRevision
18:01 < xdanger> Is it possible to have the default language changed depending on the root that your in?
18:01 <+MrHairgrease> I'm doing addchilds
18:01 <+MrHairgrease> can you pass the assetId with that method?
18:01 <@rizen> the code is simple
18:01 <@rizen> sub importAssetData {
18:01 <@rizen>         my $self = shift;
18:01 <@rizen>         my $data = shift;
18:01 <@rizen>         my $id = $data->{properties}{assetId};
18:01 <@rizen>         my $class = $data->{properties}{className};
18:01 <@rizen>         my $version = $data->{properties}{revisionDate};
18:01 <@rizen>         my $asset = WebGUI::Asset->new($self->session, $id, $class, $version);
18:01 <@rizen>         if (defined $asset) { # update an existing revision
18:01 <@rizen>                 $asset->update($data->{properties});
18:01 <@rizen>         } else {
18:01 <@rizen>                 $asset = WebGUI::Asset->new($self->session, $id, $class);
18:01 <@rizen>                 if (defined $asset) { # create a new revision of an existing asset
18:02 <@rizen>                         $asset = $asset->addRevision($data->{properties}, $version);
18:02 <@rizen>                 } else { # add an entirely new asset
18:02 <@rizen>                         $asset = $self->addChild($data->{properties}, $id, $version);
18:02 <@rizen>                 }
18:02 <@rizen>         }
18:02 <@rizen>         return $asset;
18:02 <@rizen> }
18:02 <+MrHairgrease> so you can set the assetId's to whatever you want?
18:02 <@rizen> you can pass in an asset id to addChild
18:02  * MrHairgrease cheers
18:03 <+MrHairgrease> that's great
18:03 <+MrHairgrease> I thought it would autogenerate
18:03 <@rizen> xdanger: langauges are a user level thing, not a content level thing
18:03 <@rizen> at the content level everything is UTF-8
18:04 <@rizen> and therefore you can put as many languages on the same page as you want, or on seperate pages
18:04 < xdanger> Just that the i18n for a visitor is allways the same
18:04 <@rizen> right
18:04 < xdanger> The errors are in one language...
18:04 < xdanger> logins..
18:04 < xdanger> stuff like that
18:04 <@rizen> not really
18:05 <@rizen> on a dual language site
18:05 <@rizen> you can create your own login boxes
18:05 <@rizen> and use one language in one
18:05 < xdanger> we'll that ok =)
18:05 <@rizen> and another language in another
18:05 < xdanger> but my main problem is the errors, and "not found" page =)
18:05 <@rizen> i agree that multi-lingual sites are more difficult
18:05 <@rizen> and there's stuff you have to work around
18:05 <@rizen> but tis the nature of working in a multi-lingual
18:06 <@rizen> webgui isn't designed to do the multi lingual content object thing
18:06 <@rizen> where you create one content object
18:06 <@rizen> and add revisions for each language
18:06 < xdanger> I just think that I'm going to set some metadata that defines on which site it is in...
18:07 < xdanger> ad do some macros, so that I won't have to have to seperate webguis..
18:07 <@rizen> probably a good idea
18:07 < xdanger> for one site
18:07 <@rizen> i don't ever build multi-lingual sites...so i don't have any tips for you
18:07 <@rizen> you should talk to some of the w3 members
18:09 < xdanger> ^If(<tmpl_var url> =~ ^/en/, english, finnish);
18:09 < xdanger> =D
18:09 <@rizen> no if macro anymore
18:09 < xdanger> I have =)
18:09 < xdanger> can't live with out
18:10 <@rizen> it's much safer if you create custom if macros for each occasion
18:10 < xdanger> I know..
18:10 < xdanger> but, now I have to go to play some soccer (football here in the europe)
18:11 <+MrHairgrease> break a leg =)
18:11 < xdanger> rizen: where could I ask the some w3 member?
18:11 <@rizen> webguiworldwide.org
18:12 <@rizen> then follow the links to their sites
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19:27 <+MrHairgrease> jt
19:27 <+MrHairgrease> in layouts
19:27 <+MrHairgrease> the assets in the first contentposition
19:27 <+MrHairgrease> are they also in the contentpositions field in the layout table?
19:29 <@rizen> they may or may not be
19:29 <@rizen> if they have been explicitly moved to the first position
19:29 <@rizen> then they will be
19:29 <@rizen> otherwise, if they are not defined at all in any content position
19:29 <@rizen> they will automatically be added to the end of the first content position
19:29 <@rizen> in order of rank
19:29 <+MrHairgrease> ok
19:29 <+MrHairgrease> thanks
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21:07 < tamray> crythias, the url is www.mrved.org. you will see the problem
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21:10 < Jiggie> sup people
21:10 < Jiggie> back for more questions
21:10 < Jiggie> lo
21:13 < Jiggie> it would be nice to insert a space here
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21:13 < Jiggie> 5) Make a /data folder and make it writable by you
21:13 < Jiggie>     sudo mkdir /data
21:13 < Jiggie>     sudo chown you /data
21:13 < Jiggie> 6) Run build.sh
21:13 < Jiggie>     ./build.sh
21:14 < Jiggie> 5a) copy the files from wre to data folder
21:14 < Jiggie> now tell us where build.sh is located
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21:14 < Jiggie> half finised documents
21:26 < Jiggie> where can i find  build.sh
21:26 < Jiggie> in the wqre folders
21:26 < Jiggie> all i cna find is binbuild.sh under /data/source/apache/httpd
21:36 <+crythias> heya
21:36 <+crythias> sorry. was out for a sec
21:36 <+crythias> you there, tamray?
21:36 <+crythias> :)
21:37 <+crythias> Jiggie: build.sh is in the wre
21:37 < tamray> Here I am
21:38 <+crythias> howdy
21:38 < tamray> Hi there
21:38 <+crythias> heh
21:38 <+crythias> no menus defined
21:39 < tamray> right, how do I get it back
21:39 <+crythias> dunno. but I can't log on anyway :)
21:39 < tamray> if you would like I can change the passwd
21:40 <+crythias> coolmenu is balking
21:40 < Jiggie> crythias i just did a search and its not there
21:41 < Jiggie> where exaclty should i perform that ./build.sh command
21:41 <+crythias> there's the wre and the wre source
21:41 < Jiggie> inside what folder
21:41 <+crythias> one moment please
21:42 <+crythias> which wre?
21:43 < Jiggie> i downloaded the wre
21:43 <+crythias> 0.7.1?
21:43 < Jiggie> extracted and inside it extracted the pre-req
21:43 < Jiggie> wre-0.7.1-rhel-3-i386
21:43 <+crythias> don't need to build that.
21:43 <+crythias> IIRC
21:43 < Jiggie> so then what
21:43 < Jiggie> i guess new docs are inside
21:44 <+crythias> that'd be a binary install, yeah. docs inside
21:44 < Jiggie> ok brb
21:44 <+crythias> if I understand correctly, you'd just expand that inside your /data
21:44 <+crythias> and it'd run
21:45 <+crythias> well, more or less. you'd have to run the setup
21:45 < tamray> the password is changed to what we used before
21:46 <+crythias> fine
21:46 <+crythias> I'm clicking edit on the menu
21:46 <+crythias> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
21:47 <+crythias> start point is root +1 and ..
21:47 <+crythias> *snore*
21:47 <+crythias> sorry.
21:47 <+crythias> clicking self gave me home.
21:48 < tamray> clicking home to get home would be good
21:48 <+crythias> 'kay
21:49 <+crythias> cache
21:49 <+crythias> visitor cache is 5 minutes
21:49 <+crythias> by default
21:49 < tamray> and?
21:49 <+crythias> I"m not certain what you want :)
21:49 <+crythias> log on as admin
21:50 < tamray> I am now
21:51 <+crythias> Hey rizen, wassup? Wisconsin is a bit away from Chicago :)
21:51 < tamray> I see it now. What did you have to do?
21:52 <@rizen> indeed
21:52 <+crythias> tamray: in navigation, clicked [x]self
21:53 < tamray> in navigation found in assets?
21:54 <+crythias> there's a compass thing on the left.. (edit) <-- click
21:56 < tamray> what am I supposed to see, besides copy, manage, view?
21:59 <+crythias> stuff at the bottom of the first tab of the navigation.
21:59 < tamray> duh, I have never scrolled down to the bottom to see the other controls
22:00 < tamray> pretty soon I will be a novice.
22:00 < tamray> Thanks again
22:01 <+crythias> :)
22:04 <@rizen> gerald, are you coming to the wuc?
22:07 <+crythias> I want to so bad
22:08 <+crythias> I may be moving in or about that time.
22:09 <@rizen> you really need to be there
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22:09 <@rizen> incidentally
22:09 <@rizen> assume for a minute that you do come
22:10 <@rizen> are there any birds of a feather sessions that you'd want to run?
22:10 <@rizen> i'm considering arranging that our rooms are available thursday night
22:10 <@rizen> so that people that want to run BOFs can have the rooms and wifi to do it
22:11 <@rizen> keep in mind that bofs don't have to necessarily be webgui related...though those will be given preference on the room space
22:12 <+crythias> not off the top of my head. let me think :)
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22:13 <+crythias> heya
22:13 < nbcccorp> Hey Rizen, do you have a moment to discuss CVS with me? (not related to wg)
22:13 <@rizen> i suppose
22:14 < nbcccorp> Ok. Gerald and I were just talking and he thought you might have some comments on this.
22:14 < nbcccorp> I