--- Log opened Wed Feb 01 00:00:49 2006 00:21 <@WRE> *** Join snapcount (~roy@24.241.121.70.cfl.res.rr.com) on EFnet 00:22 <@WRE> *** [mode/#webgui(+o snapcount)] by gooey on EFnet 00:22 -!- pass [n=chatzill@64.146.239.67] has joined #webgui 00:23 < pass> I am going through the install process. The latest tarball is missing index.pl. Where can I get this file? 00:24 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) what version? 00:24 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) 6.8.x 00:24 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) if it is, index.pl does not exist anymore 00:25 < pass> Yes it is 6.8.5. So the install doc isn't up to date? 00:25 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) probably not 00:25 < pass> So, what am I supposed to be using/doing instead? 00:26 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) actually... it seems to be up to date in head 00:26 <@pbmdawg> the install.txt 00:26 <@pbmdawg> in 6.8.5 00:26 <@pbmdawg> is up to date 00:26 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) yeah 00:26 < pass> ok, thanks 00:26 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) oh it is... I don't have 6.8.5 on my system right now 00:27 <@pbmdawg> look under /docs/ 00:30 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) grr... it's sad when you can't remember the commands to your own bot 00:30 <@WRE> * (snapcount@EN) shakes his head in disappointment at him self 01:02 <@WRE> *** [mode/#webgui(-s)] by snapcount on EFnet 01:15 -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@199.107.160.242] has joined #webgui 01:15 < perlDreamer> hey, all! 01:18 <@pbmdawg> hi 01:18 <@pbmdawg> kayak.com is cool 01:20 < perlDreamer> is it just an aggregator? 01:20 <@WRE> (phobia@EN) eh? 01:20 <@WRE> (phobia@EN) looking for me? :) 01:20 <@WRE> (phobia@EN) it's "!lastspoke" btw 01:24 <@WRE> (phobia@EN) kiXass http://www.insecure.org/stf/Nmap-4.00-Release.html 01:24 -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@199.107.160.242] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] 01:53 <@WRE> *** Nick Change: phobia is now Nickola on EFnet 02:41 <@WRE> *** Nick Change: Nickola is now phobia on EFnet 02:54 <@pbmdawg> pass: I just updated the source installation documentation at http://www.plainblack.com/installing_webgui 02:54 <@WRE> http://tinyurl.com/4baaa 03:29 -!- pbmdawg [n=SysAdmin@CPE-65-31-211-163.kc.res.rr.com] has quit ["Bye."] 03:47 <@WRE> (phobia@EN) :) 03:47 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) I guess I don't have that on gooey 03:47 <@WRE> (phobia@EN) looks like bseen.tcl is broken 03:47 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) just on wre 03:47 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) ah damn 03:47 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) he's talking again 03:47 <@WRE> (phobia@EN) gooey what is your problem? 03:47 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) I'm going to have to turn that off 03:49 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) Hey phob, I was thinking it might be better for Nickola to start off fixing bugs 03:49 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) do you think she would like to do that 03:49 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) I'm going to be doing them soon and I figured we could work on them together 03:49 <@WRE> (phobia@EN) cool 03:49 <@WRE> (phobia@EN) yah she'd probably like that 03:50 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) probably a little easier way to ease into things 03:50 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) ok... pass it on 03:50 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) you're it 03:50 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) hehe 03:50 <@WRE> (phobia@EN) heh done 03:50 <@WRE> (phobia@EN) right now I am using her computer... 03:50 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) that's cool 03:50 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) I'm being lazy now anyways 03:50 <@WRE> (phobia@EN) I'm supposed to be getting my laptop back tomorrow 03:51 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) back? 03:51 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) who has it 03:51 <@WRE> (phobia@EN) SPA 03:51 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) why do they have your laptop 03:51 <@WRE> (phobia@EN) well it was there laptop 03:51 <@WRE> (phobia@EN) but I negotiated it as part of my settlement 03:51 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) nice 03:51 <@WRE> (phobia@EN) their 03:51 <@WRE> (phobia@EN) not there 03:51 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) you rule 03:52 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) I finally sold that stock 03:52 <@WRE> (phobia@EN) wicked 03:52 <@WRE> (phobia@EN) anyway I gotta go, back later 03:53 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) see ya 03:54 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) pbmdawg: where do you think you're going? 05:19 -!- pbmdawg [n=SysAdmin@CPE-65-31-211-163.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui 05:19 -!- mode/#webgui [+o pbmdawg] by WRE 05:20 * pbmdawg sings softly with a slight lisp, "yes, I love technology...." 05:20 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) pbmdawg: where do you think you're going? 05:21 <@pbmdawg> ur 05:21 <@pbmdawg> oh 05:21 <@pbmdawg> "wherever I want to go, gawww" 05:21 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) Tina! Eat your food 05:21 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) hehe 05:22 <@pbmdawg> So, we're pretty much friends by now, right? 05:23 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) well that depends 05:23 <@pbmdawg> Tina, you fat lard, come get some DINNER! 05:23 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) if you keep sucking at your current rate... our friendship will only last for a finite amount of time 05:24 <@WRE> * (snapcount@EN) begins training to be a cage fighter 05:24 <@pbmdawg> LaFawnduh is *the* best thing that has ever happened to me. I'm 100% positive she's my soul mate. Don't worry Napoleon, I'm sure there's a babe out there for you too. Peace out. 05:24 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) lol 05:24 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) so great 05:26 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) turn the beat around.... got to have percussion... 05:26 <@pbmdawg> Grandma took a little spill at the sand dunes today. Broke her coccyx. 05:26 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) da da da da 05:27 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) heh my dog is wigging out 05:27 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) chasing invisible creatures and barking 05:27 <@pbmdawg> So are you guys like Pedro's cousins with all the sweet hookups? 05:28 <@pbmdawg> Geez, I think you ripped my mole off. 05:28 <@pbmdawg> Don: Do you wanna die Napoleon? 05:28 <@pbmdawg> Napoleon Dynamite: Yeah right. Who's the only one here who knows the illegal ninja moves from the government? 06:52 -!- chansen [n=chansen@h156n4c1o1099.bredband.skanova.com] has quit ["later dudes"] 07:00 -!- crythia1 [n=gyoung@c-69-139-51-253.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 07:00 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 07:00 -!- crythia1 is now known as crythias 07:01 < crythias> sigh 07:01 < crythias> it happened that my hd in my laptop failed. 07:01 < crythias> bound to happen. 07:01 < crythias> unfortunately, I forgot that I didn't have a *nix workstation anymore. 07:02 < crythias> can I just say that it's strange working on both a desktop and a fast pc? 07:02 < crythias> but alas, I never got this dev box to be friendly. 07:03 < crythias> I'm back in my happy place for a bit. ion3 is zippy :) 07:03 < crythias> but I don't have firefox or thunderbird on this machine yet. so .. 07:04 < crythias> "Crythias likes to talk to himself a lot. He averages 20 lines with no responses." 07:04 < crythias> calc crythias 07:04 <@WRE> crythias = saihtyrc 07:04 < crythias> greets later. 07:05 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@c-69-139-51-253.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #webgui [] 07:15 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@c-69-139-51-253.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 07:29 <@pbmdawg> crythias 07:30 < crythias> yeah 07:50 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: @pbmdawg 08:02 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@c-69-139-51-253.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 08:08 -!- Netsplit over, joins: pbmdawg 08:08 -!- pbmdawg [n=SysAdmin@CPE-65-31-211-163.kc.res.rr.com] has left #webgui [] 11:25 <@WRE> *** Join ArsenLupi (~ArsenLupi@221.132.12.184) on EFnet 11:29 <@WRE> *** [signoff/#webgui] ArsenLupi (Client Quit) on EFnet 13:31 -!- lenthamen [n=len@82-148-208-20.fiber.unet.nl] has joined #webgui 13:50 -!- www2 [n=www2@a213-84-7-87.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui 13:51 -!- www2 [n=www2@a213-84-7-87.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #webgui [] 15:13 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@host1.procolix.nl] has joined #webgui 15:42 -!- chansen [n=chansen@h156n4c1o1099.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #WebGUI 16:21 < lenthamen> chansen ? 16:25 < chansen> lenthamen: pong 16:26 < lenthamen> In mod_perl I want to add output to a request. I reckon I can do that using a PerlOutputFilterHandler 16:26 < chansen> sure 16:26 < lenthamen> but I get a "Apache2::Filter::print: (13) Permission denied" 16:27 < chansen> strange 16:28 < chansen> It's a sys error errno 13, do you have proper permissions on tempfiles? 16:30 < lenthamen> Wait.... I think I know what's going wrong... 16:30 < lenthamen> I'm printing after eos. 16:31 < lenthamen> End Of Stream indicator 16:33 < lenthamen> BTW: I have the code profiler working under mod_perl2.... I'm recursively looping through @WebGUI:: searching for CODE refs, and instrument that code refs. 16:34 < chansen> :) 16:35 < lenthamen> It took me half a day to figure out I need to do that in the ChildInit phase otherwise it won't work. 16:36 < chansen> does WebGUI buffer output and write it at once or does it stream it? 16:36 < lenthamen> buffer 16:37 < chansen> ok :) 16:38 < lenthamen> JT changed that a week ago. The upper part of the html is now send back to the browser in an early stage so it seems that the page is generated faster... 16:45 < chansen> ic 17:13 -!- pbmdawg [n=SysAdmin@CPE-65-31-211-163.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui 17:24 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has joined #webgui 17:25 < crythias> hi 17:26 < MrHairgrease> hi 17:41 < pbmdawg> hey len 17:41 < pbmdawg> is MSN working for you 18:07 < lenthamen> hey 18:07 < lenthamen> msn works :) 18:08 < lenthamen> and my outputfilter works too :) 18:30 < pass> when I access WebGUI I keep seeing this in the apache2 logs: client denied by server configuration: /data/www/extras/wz_tooltip.js 18:30 < pass> Anybody know how to fix this? 18:33 < pbmdawg> if no one answers here, post a question on the forums 18:35 < MrHairgrease> I'm not sure but it seems to be something in your httpd.conf 18:35 < MrHairgrease> what happens when you go to /extras/wz_tooltip.js in your browser 18:36 < MrHairgrease> ? 18:37 < pass> I get a forbidden error. 18:38 < MrHairgrease> also when you are logged in as admin? 18:38 < pass> I didn't try logging in yet. 18:39 < MrHairgrease> try that first 18:41 < pass> I logged in and I see a lot of the 'client denied by server configuration' errors when trying to access files in the /data/www/extras directory. 18:41 < MrHairgrease> it's probably something in our apache configuration. 18:42 < MrHairgrease> did you disable the rewriterule for extras? 18:42 < pass> probably not, what is the rewriterule for extras? 18:43 < MrHairgrease> it's a apache directive that allows you to rewrite urls 18:43 < MrHairgrease> if you are upgrading ther's a big chance that it is still in there 18:44 < pass> I didn't upgrade, this is my first time installing webgui 18:44 < MrHairgrease> ok 18:44 < MrHairgrease> the only thing I can think of is that you httpd config is flawed somewhere 18:45 < MrHairgrease> pbmdawg 18:46 < pass> I have 'Alias /extras /data/www/extras' in my config. 18:46 < MrHairgrease> which version of subversion are you guys running at svn.webgui.org? 18:46 < MrHairgrease> ditch the alias 18:46 < pass> ok 18:48 < pass> well that didn't help, do I need to setup a directive for /data/www/extas? 18:48 < pass> s/extas/extras/ 18:48 < MrHairgrease> No 18:48 < MrHairgrease> wait 18:53 < MrHairgrease> You must don't have to mention the extras directory in your config at all. 19:06 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) it's not in the docs but 19:07 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) it's probably easiest to have an alias for your extras 19:07 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) also check your directory permissions to make sure the user the apache process runs as can read the directory 19:08 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) Alias /extras /data/WebGUI/www/extras 19:09 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) also... unless you copied extras from WebGUI to www (which you prolly shouldn't do) it should be in /data/WebGUI/www/extras 19:09 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) without an alias 19:10 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) apache is going to look for the extras folder in whatever you have the document root set to 19:10 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) and unless you copy the folder or symlink it, it won't find it 19:10 < crythias> it's Allow, deny problem 19:10 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) (without the alias directive) 19:10 < crythias> in httpd.conf 19:10 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) could be that too 19:11 < crythias> by default httpd.conf denies everything but docroot 19:11 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) but an alias would still work 19:11 < crythias> so you need a directive for the extras (and uploads) to Allow, Deny 19:12 < crythias> alias would work only if follow symlinks is allowed. 19:13 < pass> I added a directive and the errors went away . Now I can't login. 19:15 < pass> Here's what I see in the apache log: Can't call method "content_type" on an undefined value at /data/lib/WebGUI/HTTP.pm line 84.\n, referer: http://www.esteem2.com/public 19:19 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) pass: what O/S are you on specifically? 19:19 < pass> Debian sarge 19:19 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) you may want to use the wre. there is a binary on sourceforge for debain 19:20 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) it's a lot easier =) 19:20 < pass> ok 19:20 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) seems like you have a lot invested in the manual install though. 19:21 < pass> about a day 19:22 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) Using the WRE you should be up and running in less than an hour 19:22 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) depending on how long it takes you to download the files 19:23 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) you'll also have the benefits of everything being configured for performance 19:23 < pass> I'll look into it, thanks 19:23 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) np 19:27 < MrHairgrease> snapcount 19:28 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) MrHairgrease 19:28 < MrHairgrease> who installed SVN::Web on svn.webgui.org 19:28 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) prolly papa smurf 19:28 < MrHairgrease> ah JT 19:28 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) it was on there before I was hired =) 19:28 < MrHairgrease> ah ok 19:28 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) why? 19:29 < MrHairgrease> I've struggled with installing it here the whole afternoon 19:29 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) ahh 19:29 < MrHairgrease> svn 1.3.0 didn't work 19:29 < MrHairgrease> so back to 1.2.6 19:29 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) I got the repository working locally 19:29 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) but never fooled with the web part 19:30 < MrHairgrease> yeah we're gonna use it at procolix for internal projects 19:30 < MrHairgrease> installing svn is easy 19:30 < MrHairgrease> but getting the web frontend to work is the biggest pain i've had i months 19:30 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) heh 19:30 < MrHairgrease> anyway 19:30 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) well I wouldn't expect rizen on here any time soon 19:30 < MrHairgrease> time to go home 19:31 < MrHairgrease> see you guys later 19:31 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) he's hiding until 6.9 is done 19:31 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) later 19:31 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@host1.procolix.nl] has left #webgui [] 19:47 -!- lenthamen [n=len@82-148-208-20.fiber.unet.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:57 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #webgui 19:58 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) oh my 19:58 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) it's papa johns time =) 20:01 < pbmdawg> augh 20:01 < pbmdawg> torture 20:01 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) torture that you can't have papa johns? 20:02 < pbmdawg> i can 20:02 < pbmdawg> it just takes too much time to go pick up 20:02 < pbmdawg> the delivery fee.tip is just so much 20:02 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) delivery 20:02 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) duh 20:08 < pbmdawg> ehh 20:08 < pbmdawg> hunger wins 20:11 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) ahh... the convienience of ordering pizza online 20:11 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) zero interaction with retards required 20:13 -!- oh1mrr [n=oh1mrr@dna252-180.satp.customers.dnainternet.fi] has joined #webgui 20:14 -!- mode/#webgui [+o pbmdawg] by WRE 20:14 <@pbmdawg> welcome oh1mrr 20:14 < oh1mrr> Thanks pbmdawg 20:15 < oh1mrr> And ge 20:16 <@xdanger> o someone else form finland =) 20:16 <@xdanger> from 20:16 < oh1mrr> Yes, from Pori 20:16 <@xdanger> I'm from Jyväskylä 20:17 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) wow... looks like a full house over there on freenode 20:19 <@xdanger> oh1mrr: user of webgui ? 20:21 < oh1mrr> newbie and have problems to get it working properly :( 20:21 <@pbmdawg> well there are plenty of volunteers here willing to help you out :) 20:21 <@pbmdawg> just not me for the next hour . 20:22 -!- pbmdawg is now known as pbmdawg_afk 20:22 <@xdanger> oh1mrr: what version and what distro ? 20:22 <@xdanger> and what's your problem with it ?-) 20:24 < oh1mrr> If somebody could send me httpd.conf file, how I should do the things. I can ger webgui running, but trying to connect into server I can see only that index.pl script 20:25 < oh1mrr> I have latest webgui and distro is Mandriva 2006 20:26 <@xdanger> the latest webgui (6.8.5-gamma) doesn't have a index.pl 20:27 <@xdanger> or does it have index.pl, don't know, but it doesn't use it =) 20:30 < oh1mrr> When I start: service httpd start 20:30 < oh1mrr> Starting httpd: 20:30 < oh1mrr> Starting WebGUI 6.8.5 20:30 < oh1mrr> Loading www.example.com.conf 20:30 < oh1mrr> Loading www.oh1mrr.ampr.org.confWebGUI Started! 20:30 < oh1mrr> Argh sorry It slipped :( 20:31 <@xdanger> are you using wre ? 20:31 < oh1mrr> No 20:32 < crythias> the problem is... 20:32 <@xdanger> did you check out: http://www.plainblack.com/installing_webgui 20:32 <@WRE> http://tinyurl.com/4baaa 20:32 < crythias> don't send him there. 20:32 <@xdanger> =) 20:32 < crythias> invalid for 685 20:32 < crythias> or, at least it has ben. 20:33 < oh1mrr> Just coming soon back, somebodys at the door 20:33 <@xdanger> didn't matt say earlier that he renewed it for 6.8.x ? 20:33 < crythias> I dunno. I guess I wasn't here for that revelation. 20:34 < crythias> oh 20:34 < MrHairgrease> oh1mrr: check this http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/YFJ6tQ36.html 20:34 <@WRE> http://tinyurl.com/dv3ue 20:34 < crythias> guess it's better 20:34 < MrHairgrease> it's a working vhost def for a 685 site 20:35 <@xdanger> but now to home --> 20:35 <@xdanger> oh1mrr: you can allways buy hosting from us ;) 20:40 < oh1mrr> Ok, back. Now from the beginning, using Mandriva, apache2, webgui 6.8.5 and when starting sever I get webgi started message, but when connecting server I can see only directory listing. So doubt is that I can't connect into webgui, but normal http server 20:42 < oh1mrr> So I could use ready httpd.conf file as an exaple :) 20:42 < MrHairgrease> you checked out the link i posted? 20:45 < oh1mrr> Checking now, and comparing. I'll do the changes 20:45 < MrHairgrease> ok 20:46 < MrHairgrease> oh and you should probably ditch the www.example.com.conf file from your WebGUI/etc directory 20:50 < oh1mrr> Yes 20:51 < MrHairgrease> does it work? 20:52 < oh1mrr> Nope 20:52 < MrHairgrease> hmm 20:54 < MrHairgrease> did you put in LoadModule apreq_module modules/mod_apreq2.so? 20:55 < MrHairgrease> oh and be sure that above the vhost def you put 'NameVirtualHost *' without the ''. 20:55 < MrHairgrease> Not sure if that matters but you never know 20:56 < MrHairgrease> Also what does your error log say? 21:01 < oh1mrr> I didn't have apreq2 module line, but when added, I got :[root@oh1mrr conf]# service httpd start 21:01 < oh1mrr> Starting httpd: httpd: Syntax error on line 248 of /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf: Cannot load /etc/httpd/modules/mod_apreq2.so into server: /etc/httpd/modules/mod_apreq2.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory 21:01 < oh1mrr> But Im sure ihave installed it 21:01 < MrHairgrease> hmm 21:01 < MrHairgrease> that's weird 21:02 < MrHairgrease> try to do 'locate mod_apreq' 21:05 < oh1mrr> Now it's making me laughing, locate mod_apreq 21:05 < oh1mrr> bash: locate: command not found 21:05 < MrHairgrease> you don't have locate? 21:06 < oh1mrr> Seems so, urpmi locate 21:06 < oh1mrr> no package named locate 21:07 < MrHairgrease> try urpmq -y locate 21:08 < MrHairgrease> also did you install these packages? 21:08 < MrHairgrease> apache2-mod_apreq libapreq2 perl-libapreq2 21:09 < MrHairgrease> ah 21:09 < MrHairgrease> you probably have slocate installed 21:09 < oh1mrr> These installed :[root@oh1mrr conf]# rpm -qa | grep apreq2 21:09 < oh1mrr> libapreq2-2.06-4.dev.4mdk 21:09 < oh1mrr> perl-libapreq2-2.06-4.dev.4mdk 21:10 < MrHairgrease> yeah and also apache2-mod_apreq 21:10 < MrHairgrease> you need that one too 21:21 < oh1mrr> I found mod_apreq2 from /usr/lib/apache-extramodules 21:23 < MrHairgrease> ah great 21:24 < oh1mrr> But still getting Starting httpd: httpd: Syntax error on line 248 of /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf: Cannot load /etc/httpd/modules/mod_apreq2.so into server: /etc/httpd/modules/mod_apreq2.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory 21:26 < MrHairgrease> ok 21:26 < MrHairgrease> then find the location of mod_apreq2.so 21:26 < MrHairgrease> and put the full path in the LoadModule line 21:27 < MrHairgrease> in stead of a relative one (like module/mod_apreq2.so) 21:37 < oh1mrr> Something happened, now getting: The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request, when trying to connect into server, error_log shows 21:37 < oh1mrr> `WebGUI': Can't locate WebGUI.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.8/i `WebGUI': Can't locate WebGUI.pm in @INC (@INC contains: etc, it's obvious, that I have some paths missconfigured 21:40 < MrHairgrease> hmm, you could try PerlSetEnv PERL5LIB /path/to/WebGUI/lib after the LoadModule stuff 21:45 < oh1mrr> Didn't help :( 21:45 < MrHairgrease> ok try this 21:45 < MrHairgrease> create a file startup.pl 21:45 < MrHairgrease> containing 21:46 < MrHairgrease> use lib qw(/path/to/WebGUI/lib); 1; 21:46 < MrHairgrease> then do a PerlRequire startup.pl 21:47 < MrHairgrease> better even 21:48 < MrHairgrease> put an enter between the first ; and 1 21:48 < MrHairgrease> only looks nicer though 21:58 < oh1mrr> Da*** Have to quit for now, family expect me doing something else, sure coming back tomorrow. GN and thanks a lot. 21:59 < MrHairgrease> bye 22:00 -!- oh1mrr [n=oh1mrr@dna252-180.satp.customers.dnainternet.fi] has left #webgui ["oh1mrr has left the building"] 23:13 -!- chansen [n=chansen@h156n4c1o1099.bredband.skanova.com] has quit ["later dudes!"] 23:38 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] --- Day changed Thu Feb 02 2006 00:13 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has left #webgui [] 01:00 -!- pbmdawg [n=SysAdmin@CPE-65-31-211-163.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui 01:00 -!- pbmdawg_afk [n=SysAdmin@CPE-65-31-211-163.kc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:47 <@WRE> *** [signoff/#webgui] snapcount () on EFnet 03:02 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@c-69-139-51-253.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 03:20 <@WRE> *** Join snapcount (~roy@adsl-1-14-193.dab.bellsouth.net) on EFnet 03:39 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@c-69-139-51-253.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:57 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@c-69-139-51-253.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 03:59 < crythias> danger. get off the flo' ... 04:00 * crythias dances like a salt shaker. 04:13 -!- mode/#webgui [+o pbmdawg] by WRE 04:13 -!- mode/#webgui [+o crythias] by pbmdawg 04:34 <@WRE> *** Nick Change: phobia is now Nickola on EFnet 05:13 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@c-69-139-51-253.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] 05:34 -!- pbmdawg [n=SysAdmin@CPE-65-31-211-163.kc.res.rr.com] has quit ["Bye."] 11:05 -!- lenthamen [n=len@82-148-208-20.fiber.unet.nl] has joined #webgui 11:07 -!- chansen [n=chansen@h156n4c1o1099.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #WebGUI 11:16 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@host1.procolix.nl] has joined #webgui 14:26 -!- hansw [n=hans@195.18.93.61] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:52 < MrHairgrease> hey len 14:53 < MrHairgrease> have you ever got the test suite to work? 14:56 < lenthamen> hey Martin. 14:56 < lenthamen> I haven't tested the test suite ;) 14:56 < MrHairgrease> heh 14:56 < MrHairgrease> I think I know what the problem is already 14:56 < MrHairgrease> It looks like the test suite is using the wrong perl 14:56 < MrHairgrease> gonna check it out further 15:05 -!- hansw [n=hans@195.18.93.61] has joined #webgui 15:23 <@WRE> *** [signoff/#webgui] snapcount (Read error: Operation timed out) on EFnet 16:11 <@WRE> *** Join snapcount (~roy@adsl-152-11-211.dab.bellsouth.net) on EFnet 16:11 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) Goodmorning everyone 16:11 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) or whatever time it is on your side of the earth =) 16:12 < MrHairgrease> here it's still morning 16:12 < MrHairgrease> it's only 15:10 16:13 < MrHairgrease> so I just got out of bed =) 16:13 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) haha 16:13 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) looks like you can add that switch 16:13 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) cool 16:14 < MrHairgrease> yeah I was actualling running the test suite while I was asleep. 16:14 < MrHairgrease> bet you can't do that ;) 16:14 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) sure I can 16:14 < MrHairgrease> damn 16:14 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) I'd have to start it while I was awake 16:14 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) but it could run while I was sleeping 16:14 < MrHairgrease> use cron 16:14 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) =) 16:15 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) err 16:15 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) you one upped me 16:15 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) =) 16:15 < MrHairgrease> one-upped? 16:15 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) an expression 16:15 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) you did one better 16:15 < MrHairgrease> ok 16:15 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) hard to explain 16:16 < MrHairgrease> I'm thinking of building the graphing stuff that was mentioned on the dev list a while ago 16:16 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) do other language have a lot of expressions that don't really translate into something meaningful? 16:16 < MrHairgrease> Yeah dutch 16:16 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) English has *a lot* 16:17 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) I took two years of Spanish but it was worthless 16:17 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) I can ask where the bathroom is and say hi 16:17 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) coooooool 16:17 < MrHairgrease> Well that's about as good as my french 16:17 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) What are you going to use to do it? 16:17 < MrHairgrease> image magick 16:18 < MrHairgrease> wait i'll post some examples 16:18 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) nice 16:18 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) are you going to model it after the Chartdirector API? 16:21 -!- hansw [n=hans@195.18.93.61] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:24 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has joined #webgui 16:26 < MrHairgrease> snapcount: http://geefmegeld.nl/charts 16:27 < MrHairgrease> don't know about the CD api 16:27 < MrHairgrease> never used it 16:31 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) those look pretty good 16:31 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) are you a math guy? 16:31 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) math major at university? 16:31 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) you should look at the ChartDirector Asset I contributed 16:32 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) I'm using a library called ChartDirector 16:32 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) the API for it is really nice 16:32 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) maybe you could use it as a starting point 16:32 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) your graphs look really good so far 16:33 < MrHairgrease> No 16:33 < MrHairgrease> no math 16:33 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) really 16:33 < MrHairgrease> electrical enigineering 16:33 < MrHairgrease> you know silicon and stuff 16:34 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) might as well be a math major =) 16:34 < MrHairgrease> math is a tool 16:34 < MrHairgrease> tools suck 16:34 < MrHairgrease> but you need em anyway 16:34 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) yeah... I worked as an Electronics Technician for four years 16:34 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) not an engineer by any means 16:34 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) but I know a bit 16:34 < MrHairgrease> cool 16:34 < MrHairgrease> you're also a student? 16:35 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) yeah 16:35 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) I already have a degree in programming 16:35 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) I'm working on a business degree now 16:35 < MrHairgrease> ok 16:45 < MrHairgrease> snapcount 16:45 < MrHairgrease> does the chart director asset run on 6.8.5? 17:26 <@WRE> *** [signoff/#webgui] snapcount (Read error: Connection reset by peer) on EFnet 17:30 <@WRE> *** Join snapcount (~roy@adsl-152-11-211.dab.bellsouth.net) on EFnet 17:47 -!- J-J [n=J-J@spc1-macc1-6-0-cust222.bagu.broadband.ntl.com] has joined #webgui 17:56 -!- J-J [n=J-J@spc1-macc1-6-0-cust222.bagu.broadband.ntl.com] has left #webgui [] 18:10 < crythias> heh math is a tool 18:11 -!- pbmdawg [n=SysAdmin@CPE-65-31-211-163.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui 18:11 -!- mode/#webgui [+o pbmdawg] by WRE 18:22 < crythias> Alex, I'll take minimum system req's to run WebGUI for $500 18:23 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) What is a 386 SX/33 with 4 MB Ram 18:24 <@pbmdawg> no, snapcount, i'm sorry; those are the minimum system requirements to decompress webgui's tar.gz 18:24 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) ahh shucks 18:25 -!- J-J [n=J-J@spc1-macc1-6-0-cust222.bagu.broadband.ntl.com] has joined #webgui 18:27 <@pbmdawg> welcome J-J 18:28 -!- J-J [n=J-J@spc1-macc1-6-0-cust222.bagu.broadband.ntl.com] has left #webgui [] 18:28 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) ooooooohhhhhhhhhh weeeeeeeeeee 18:28 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) you and me goin' fishin' 'n tha dark 18:28 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) da da da 18:33 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) gimmie a gimmie a gimmie a redneck girl.... 18:33 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) you guys should sing some dutch songs 18:35 <@pbmdawg> roy: get on aim. or unblock me. 18:35 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) why would I do that 18:35 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) the feature is working as intended =) 18:36 <@pbmdawg> blargh 18:36 < crythias> new blargh beer. Ask for it by name! 18:37 < MrHairgrease> ah beer! 18:37 < MrHairgrease> good idea gerald 18:37 < crythias> Too drunk to order? not anymore 18:37 <@pbmdawg> hahahha 18:37 < crythias> How do you think "Bud" keeps on being sold. 18:37 < MrHairgrease> damn 18:38 < crythias> junky beer. 18:38 < MrHairgrease> no cold beers @ procolix 18:38 < MrHairgrease> time to go home then =) 18:38 < crythias> heh 18:38 <@pbmdawg> how big's your office martin 18:38 < MrHairgrease> this big 18:39 <@pbmdawg> wow 18:39 < MrHairgrease> on a scale from 1 to 10 that is 18:39 * crythias resizes his window... 18:39 < MrHairgrease> ahhh 18:39 < MrHairgrease> the walls are coming closer 18:39 * crythias passes a Ricola. 18:39 < crythias> around. 18:40 < MrHairgrease> you guys saw this already? http://geefmegeld.nl/charts 18:40 -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat084.mxim.com] has joined #webgui 18:40 < crythias> kewl. now I feel like I need a key lime pie. 18:40 < MrHairgrease> Problem is 18:40 < crythias> or a cheesecake. 18:41 < MrHairgrease> the code that made it now segfaults 18:41 < MrHairgrease> so I'm debugging it right now 18:41 < crythias> smack seg around. Tell him to stop faulting. 18:41 <@pbmdawg> who's that big guy by the Perl sign 18:41 < MrHairgrease> yours truly 18:41 < MrHairgrease> duh 18:42 < crythias> ^Page(title); doesn't work. 18:42 < MrHairgrease> Yeah I noticed 18:42 < MrHairgrease> but i don't care 18:42 <@pbmdawg> in what version 18:42 < perlDreamer> roy? 18:42 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) colin? 18:42 < MrHairgrease> dunno 18:42 < crythias> 6.7.8, apparently. 18:43 < perlDreamer> can we talk a little EventManager? 18:43 < MrHairgrease> check the page source 18:43 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) sure 18:43 < perlDreamer> how done is the code? 18:43 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) 40% 18:43 < perlDreamer> cool 18:43 <@pbmdawg> what does geef me geld mean 18:44 < perlDreamer> then I'm not going crazy :) 18:44 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) I'm working on the view method now 18:44 <@pbmdawg> do I want to know 18:44 < crythias> he wants gold 18:44 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) it's all complicated now 18:44 <@pbmdawg> it doesn't mean, "gild me"? 18:44 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) perlDreamer: going crazy? 18:44 < crythias> or maybe he wants (to be) a gelding. 18:44 < perlDreamer> pbmdawg, if he did, you'd be gilty of gold theft :) 18:45 < perlDreamer> snapcount: I was looking for the logic using maximumAttendees and couldn't find it 18:45 < MrHairgrease> it means givememoney 18:45 <@pbmdawg> I thought it said glbta at first 18:45 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) oh 18:45 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) yeah that doesn't exist yet 18:45 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) it will be a query 18:45 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) will exist today though 18:45 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) I PODified everything and alphabetized for you 18:46 < perlDreamer> thanks! 18:46 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) sure thing 18:46 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) I'll just pod as I go 18:46 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) and you can edit it for clarity 18:46 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) as you see fit 18:46 < perlDreamer> that will make my POD checker happy 18:47 <@pbmdawg> happier 18:47 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) hehe 18:47 < perlDreamer> hey, I'm only about 45 files away from an automated test run 18:47 <@pbmdawg> really..... 18:47 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) no shit 18:47 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) wow! 18:47 < perlDreamer> yeah 18:47 < perlDreamer> unfortunately, they're the 45 biggest files 18:47 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) you've been busy 18:47 < perlDreamer> :( 18:47 < perlDreamer> I did like 50 files in December 18:48 < perlDreamer> all little stuff like Macros, some operations, etc. 18:49 < perlDreamer> all: I've got a deal where if all tests pass in the test suite that an automated test run will be done nightly and sent out via email 18:49 < perlDreamer> the POD test is in the worst shape 18:49 < perlDreamer> so if you're bored, write some POD or run and fix the tests 18:50 <@pbmdawg> I can write pod. 18:51 <@xdanger> Is there a way to define textarea size per user ? 18:51 < perlDreamer> nothing straight forward 18:51 <@xdanger> just that the administrator want's to use something like 80x25, but for user the default would be better... 18:51 <@pbmdawg> =head2 thisSub 18:51 <@pbmdawg> Might do something. Might return something. 18:51 <@pbmdawg> =cut 18:52 <@pbmdawg> if you hack RichEdit.pm (or make it templatable... hint, hint), you can make tinymce resizable. 18:53 <@xdanger> I'm actually talking about default textarea, but that would also be nice ;) 18:53 <@pbmdawg> oh, textarea. 18:53 <@pbmdawg> sry 18:54 -!- pass [n=chatzill@64.146.239.67] has quit [No route to host] 18:55 <@xdanger> And another idea/question... how about a posibility to authenticate the session with httpauth ? I have a closed intranet and there could be a direct way to get the rss from a listing via http://user:pass@webguisite/intranet/cs?func=viewRSS 18:56 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) I think chansen is going to be re-writing the Auth System for 6.9 18:57 < perlDreamer> I just reran the POD test, and there are exactly 40 files needing substantive POD 18:57 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) did mine pass? 18:57 < perlDreamer> yes 18:57 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) sweet 18:58 < perlDreamer> pbmdawg's skeleton code would make any sub pass, and there's a threshold for how many subs can get by without POD 19:14 < perlDreamer> committing l10n work 19:14 <@WRE> *** [signoff/#webgui] snapcount (Read error: Connection reset by peer) on EFnet 19:20 <@WRE> *** Join snapcount (~roy@adsl-152-11-211.dab.bellsouth.net) on EFnet 19:21 < perlDreamer> anyone familiar with the search guts? 19:22 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) just JT I think 19:23 < MrHairgrease> going home 19:23 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@host1.procolix.nl] has quit [] 19:33 < perlDreamer> snapcount: would you have a problem if I do stuff like this: 19:34 < perlDreamer> sprintf "%s", $self->getUrl("func=approveEvent;pid=".$pid), $i18n->get('approve event') 19:35 < perlDreamer> instead of using . to concatenate strings? 19:38 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) no 19:38 < perlDreamer> cool, thanks! 19:38 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) that's fine with me 19:38 < perlDreamer> I have a hard time reading all the quotes and dots 19:39 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) hehe 19:47 < perlDreamer> committing 19:50 -!- lenthamen [n=len@82-148-208-20.fiber.unet.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:54 < perlDreamer> are standard rules of precedence used for the Operator field in www_editEvent? 19:58 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) oh sorry 19:58 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) took me a minute to realize what you were talking about 19:59 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) sort of 19:59 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) one event may have many prereqs 19:59 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) those prereqs are all anded together 19:59 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) each prereq definition follows the rule assigned to it 19:59 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) and or or 19:59 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) does that make sense? 20:00 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) prereq 1: Event2 OR Event 3 20:00 < perlDreamer> oh, okay 20:00 < perlDreamer> yeah, that makes sense 20:00 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) prereq2 2: Event 1 And Event 5 And Event 6 20:00 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) prereq 1 and 2 are anded 20:07 -!- midellaq [n=midellaq@caronte.isinet.it] has joined #webgui 20:08 < perlDreamer> is Manage Events to return to $self->view or is it a function? 20:11 < perlDreamer> and what is the PID of a new event? 20:12 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) PID stems from productId because we're making events extensions of webgui products 20:13 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) I'm not sure what you're asking on the other question 20:13 < perlDreamer> on the Add/Edit Event page AdminConsole, there is a link for "Manage Events" 20:14 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) Yeah 20:14 < perlDreamer> does that go to $self->www_view, or $self->www_ManageEvents? 20:14 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) manage events 20:14 < perlDreamer> cool, thanks 20:14 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) Return to site will take them to view 20:17 -!- oh1mrr [n=oh1mrr@dna252-180.satp.customers.dnainternet.fi] has joined #webgui 20:19 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) colin: just committed some stuff 20:19 < perlDreamer> ok 20:24 < oh1mrr> Ge, read today again install instructions and downloaded "zillions" of perl-modules, I succeeded get WebGui running in my Mandriva. 20:24 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) congrats! 20:24 < perlDreamer> oh, come on now, it's only really half a zillion, isn't it? 20:25 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) a manual install of WG is no easy task 20:25 <@pbmdawg> oh by the way 20:25 <@pbmdawg> I should have mentioned in those instructions 20:25 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) even if you've done it a few times 20:25 <@pbmdawg> testEnvironment.pl will install all of those for you if you let it 20:25 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) nice 20:25 <@pbmdawg> but only one at a time 20:25 * crythias was looking at dig talking about a pointer which emits a yellow beam and I was thinking but yeah, you don't want to eat the snow... 20:25 < oh1mrr> Nope, full zillion, in Mandriva there's nor ready pacages for full, so from CPAN most of them 20:26 < perlDreamer> ouch 20:26 < perlDreamer> Fedora Core and CentOs are friendlier than that. 20:26 <@pbmdawg> that's what I mean; cpan. testEnvironment.pl uses cpan. 20:26 < oh1mrr> Yes, with testE I did 20:27 < perlDreamer> snapcount: merged and committed 20:27 <@pbmdawg> oh 20:27 < oh1mrr> Only one module left without compiling, but seem to work without it 20:28 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) which one? 20:28 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) perlDreamer: cool =) 20:29 < oh1mrr> Checking for module Data::Structure::Util: Not Installed 20:29 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) yeah... I think that's used in WSClient Asset 20:29 < perlDreamer> yeah 20:29 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) if I remember correctly 20:29 < oh1mrr> It won't compile in my system 20:30 < crythias> I shouldn't post that 20:30 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) crythias: what are you talking about 20:30 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) am I late to the party =) 20:30 < perlDreamer> yellow lasers? 20:30 < crythias> yeah 20:30 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) oh 20:30 < crythias> http://digg.com/technology/First_Yellow_Laser_Pointer 20:30 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) "laser" 20:31 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) 20:31 < crythias> with finger motions. 20:31 < crythias> air quotes 20:31 < crythias> "Alan Parsons Project" 20:31 < crythias> better ways to make yellow snow. 20:31 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) and I shall call it!!..... 20:31 < crythias> but you have more control. 20:32 < crythias> ooh. Olde English. 20:32 * pbmdawg has excellent control. 20:32 < crythias> sorry. drifting off to more nonsense. 20:32 <@pbmdawg> and taking me with you. 20:32 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) colin: are you still working on EMS? 20:32 <@pbmdawg> (toward more nonsense) 20:34 < crythias> Egad! You astound me, Brain! -- That's a simple task, Pinky. 20:34 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) haha 20:34 <@WRE> * (snapcount@EN) sings "my milkshake brings all the girls to the yard...." 20:35 * crythias shakes it like a salt shaker. 20:35 < perlDreamer> snapcount: what is EMS? 20:35 < crythias> "Uh, I think so, Brain, but we'll never get a monkey to use dental floss." 20:35 < perlDreamer> Oh, nm 20:35 < perlDreamer> No, I'm done for a little bit 20:36 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) an acronym for what you were working on before 20:36 < crythias> EVT MGMT 20:36 < perlDreamer> DCTR EVIL 20:36 <@pbmdawg> YELO LZR 20:36 < perlDreamer> YELO SNOW 20:36 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) MILKSKE 20:36 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) SLTSHKR 20:36 <@pbmdawg> BTR CTRL 20:37 < perlDreamer> what does Butter Central have to do with anything? 20:37 < crythias> *smirk* 20:37 < crythias> "I think so, Brain, but if they called them 'Sad Meals', kids wouldn't buy them!" 20:37 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) GOAT BTR 20:38 < perlDreamer> hey now, be nice to goats 20:38 < crythias> anyway you read that, it's just. so. wrong. 20:38 <@pbmdawg> who's a goat biter 20:38 <@pbmdawg> or is it goat butterer 20:38 < crythias> beater. 20:38 < perlDreamer> isn't that what they add to vodka martini's, goat bitters? 20:38 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) "You milked the cows? We don't have any cows..." 20:38 <@pbmdawg> lol 20:39 <@pbmdawg> gerald, roy wants you to answer all the support questions from now on 20:39 <@pbmdawg> in license plate acronyms only 20:39 <@pbmdawg> err 20:39 < perlDreamer> sounds like Coy.pm 20:39 <@pbmdawg> license plate abbr only 20:39 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) that would be greeeaaattt 20:40 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) thanks Peter 20:40 < crythias> oh no 20:40 < crythias> bad enough to do it in haiku 20:40 <@pbmdawg> who is Peter. 20:41 < perlDreamer> ha, soon I will have achieved my goal of 3500 L10n labels inside WebGUI! 20:41 < crythias> 2HRD2DO 20:41 < perlDreamer> Then nothing will stop me from taking over the world 20:42 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) Hi Peter, this is Bill Lumberg calling again... we missed you this morning so go ahead and come on in okayy 20:42 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) thanks 20:43 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) $self->getEnglish("L10n"); 20:43 < perlDreamer> "L" + "ocailzatio" + "n" -> L + 10 letters + n = L10n 20:43 < crythias> "I wouldn't say I've been missing work, Bob" 20:44 < perlDreamer> kind of like i18n for internationalization 20:44 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) I see 20:44 < crythias> no way. I think I just connected a synapse, having learned something. 20:44 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) ocalizatio would be a cool word 20:44 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) you should call it 1ocalizatio1 20:45 < perlDreamer> oh cal ee zay shun 20:45 < perlDreamer> oh cal ee zay tee oh 20:45 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) for 1 letter + "ocalizatio" + 1 letter 20:45 < crythias> I think people should be penalized for not reading my FAQ. Seriously. 20:46 < perlDreamer> What should we do to them? 20:46 < perlDreamer> Rack? Pincers? 20:46 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) FIRE 20:46 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) FIRE FIRE FIRE 20:46 < perlDreamer> Listen to Wayne Newton records until their heads explode 20:46 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) turn the beat around.... got to have percussion 20:46 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) turn it upside down 20:47 < perlDreamer> that's better than Wayne Newton, bad disco 20:47 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) like a Rhinestone cowboy... 20:51 <@pbmdawg> it's pinky ut de brain 20:51 < perlDreamer> back in a bit 20:53 <@pbmdawg> those numbers are all running backwards! 20:53 <@pbmdawg> how will those poor little numbers see where they are going? 20:53 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) did you hit your head? 20:54 <@pbmdawg> not sure what you mean 20:54 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) what the hell are you talking about? 20:55 <@pbmdawg> stop hurting my ears 20:55 <@WRE> * (snapcount@EN) confused 20:56 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) I need an opinion 20:57 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) I'm naming methods 20:57 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) I have one called eventIsApproved which returns boolean 20:57 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) which is nice when you have something like if ($self->eventIsApproved) { .. } 20:57 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) b/c it makes the code very readable 20:58 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) well, I'm writing one now that checks if an event is full 20:58 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) should it be isEventFull or eventIsFull 20:58 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) or do you think the whole convention sucks 20:59 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) this method will probably not be used in an if stmt 20:59 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) it will be setting a template variable 20:59 < perlDreamer> that will probably be used as a boolean? 20:59 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) yeah 20:59 < perlDreamer> I'd stick with the convention 21:00 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) oh 21:00 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) it will be used as a 21:00 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) good call 21:00 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) thx 21:00 < perlDreamer> I found some more labels to L10n, so I'll be doing a bit more work on EMS 21:00 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) ok 21:00 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) what is the diff between i18n and l10n 21:01 < perlDreamer> i18n is the process of making something use L10n 21:01 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) so a localization is a language? 21:01 < perlDreamer> yes 21:01 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) and i18n is a system that allows many languages 21:02 < perlDreamer> it's the process of making that system be localizable 21:02 < perlDreamer> brb 21:02 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) oh 21:10 < crythias> ooh 21:11 < perlDreamer> see this, it will explain it all: http://search.cpan.org/~petdance/Locale-Maketext-1.10/lib/Locale/Maketext/TPJ13.pod 21:11 < crythias> got a reflink from my RSS post. 21:11 <@WRE> http://tinyurl.com/dl7dd 21:11 < perlDreamer> actually, wikipedia does a better job of it 21:12 < perlDreamer> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internationalization_and_localization 21:12 <@WRE> http://tinyurl.com/adcx4 21:16 < crythias> :) 21:32 < perlDreamer> snapcount: almost ready to commit latest and last work. 21:32 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) last? 21:33 < perlDreamer> I've done everything in SVN, so until you commit more, I'll probably turn to writing stuff for Help on EMS so I'll be out of your hair for a bit. 21:33 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) i c 21:33 < perlDreamer> could you email me the most recent copy of the spec for this? 21:33 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) I need your email addy 21:34 < perlDreamer> ckuskie at sterling dot net 21:34 <@xdanger> http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?joel.3.219431.12 21:34 <@WRE> http://tinyurl.com/9xkgs 21:35 < perlDreamer> committing 21:38 < perlDreamer> headin' out for lunch 21:38 -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat084.mxim.com] has quit [""l8r""] 21:38 -!- midellaq [n=midellaq@caronte.isinet.it] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:14 <@WRE> * (snapcount@EN) yawns 23:14 -!- pass [n=chatzill@owt-64-146-239-67.owt.com] has joined #webgui 23:14 -!- pass [n=chatzill@owt-64-146-239-67.owt.com] has left #webgui [] 23:15 -!- pass [n=chatzill@owt-64-146-239-67.owt.com] has joined #webgui 23:16 -!- pass [n=chatzill@owt-64-146-239-67.owt.com] has quit [Client Quit] 23:21 -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat084.mxim.com] has joined #webgui 23:43 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] 23:43 < perlDreamer> we should make gaim pay for these product advertisements 23:43 <@pbmdawg> in my gaim I can change the channel leave msg 23:44 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) I like the idea of making them pay better 23:48 < perlDreamer> snapcount, I'm doing more L10n work on EMS 23:48 < perlDreamer> is the current SOW different from what's on the website for download? 23:49 <@pbmdawg> lots more stuff added, I think 23:49 < perlDreamer> I haven't ever seen any SOW or spec get smaller. 23:56 <@WRE> *** [signoff/#webgui] snapcount (Read error: Operation timed out) on EFnet --- Day changed Fri Feb 03 2006 00:09 <@WRE> *** Join snapcount (~roy@adsl-152-14-211.dab.bellsouth.net) on EFnet 00:09 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) anyone have a 6.8.5 up right now? 00:09 < perlDreamer> I can set one up, what do you need? 00:09 <@pbmdawg> demo 00:09 < perlDreamer> or how 'bout demo? 00:10 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) no... want to test off of pb servers 00:10 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) I need you to setup a dataform 00:10 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) and add some fields 00:10 < perlDreamer> give me a sec... 00:10 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) then look at the entries in DataForm_field 00:11 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) select name, assetId from DataForm_field 00:11 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) cool... thanks a lot 00:11 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) I appreciate it 00:15 < perlDreamer> | from | mx4CLiQt2pLWVw9_LVJvHA | 00:15 < perlDreamer> | to | mx4CLiQt2pLWVw9_LVJvHA | 00:15 < perlDreamer> | cc | mx4CLiQt2pLWVw9_LVJvHA | 00:15 < perlDreamer> | bcc | mx4CLiQt2pLWVw9_LVJvHA | 00:15 < perlDreamer> | subject | mx4CLiQt2pLWVw9_LVJvHA | 00:15 < perlDreamer> | one | mx4CLiQt2pLWVw9_LVJvHA | 00:15 < perlDreamer> | two | mx4CLiQt2pLWVw9_LVJvHA | 00:15 < perlDreamer> I added two fields, one and two to the Form. 00:15 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) shit 00:15 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) that's what I was afraid of 00:15 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) thx 00:16 < perlDreamer> you mean automatically adding the mailto fields? 00:16 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) no 00:16 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) is that a clean install 00:16 < perlDreamer> yes 00:17 < perlDreamer> I didn't show you the fields from the default mail form on the install. 00:17 < perlDreamer> do you want those too? 00:17 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) Did you check that out from branch 00:17 < perlDreamer> yes 00:17 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) or is it a release 00:17 < perlDreamer> you want a clean 6.8.5 instead? 00:17 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) can you run the upgrade from previousVersion 00:17 < perlDreamer> yes 00:17 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) you did that? 00:18 < perlDreamer> no, I will do it 00:18 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) oh ok 00:18 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) thank you 00:21 < perlDreamer> +---------+------------------------+ 00:21 < perlDreamer> | name | assetId | 00:21 < perlDreamer> +---------+------------------------+ 00:21 < perlDreamer> | from | Szs5eev3OMssmnsyLRZmWA | 00:21 < perlDreamer> | to | Szs5eev3OMssmnsyLRZmWA | 00:21 < perlDreamer> | cc | Szs5eev3OMssmnsyLRZmWA | 00:21 < perlDreamer> | bcc | Szs5eev3OMssmnsyLRZmWA | 00:21 < perlDreamer> | subject | Szs5eev3OMssmnsyLRZmWA | 00:21 < perlDreamer> | url | Szs5eev3OMssmnsyLRZmWA | 00:21 < perlDreamer> | message | Szs5eev3OMssmnsyLRZmWA | 00:21 < perlDreamer> | from | WDNzKm0Fy6_oVkBXYefNMQ | 00:21 < perlDreamer> | to | WDNzKm0Fy6_oVkBXYefNMQ | 00:21 < perlDreamer> | cc | WDNzKm0Fy6_oVkBXYefNMQ | 00:21 < perlDreamer> | bcc | WDNzKm0Fy6_oVkBXYefNMQ | 00:21 < perlDreamer> | subject | WDNzKm0Fy6_oVkBXYefNMQ | 00:21 < perlDreamer> | one | WDNzKm0Fy6_oVkBXYefNMQ | 00:21 < perlDreamer> | two | WDNzKm0Fy6_oVkBXYefNMQ | 00:21 < perlDreamer> +---------+------------------------+ 00:21 < perlDreamer> same setup as last time, but all fields in all dataforms this time 00:22 < perlDreamer> so what are you seeing that's worrisome? 00:22 <@pbmdawg> DataForm might not be fully versioned for addRevision 00:23 < perlDreamer> oh 00:23 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) it's a site specific thing I think 00:23 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) there is data in that table that is truncated 00:24 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) specifically assetIds and name 00:24 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) 14 char assetIds 00:24 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) and the name values have the first two chars missing 00:24 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) it happened after an upgrade 00:24 < perlDreamer> oh 00:24 < perlDreamer> that's bad 00:24 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) so I wanted to make sure it wasn't a bug 00:24 < perlDreamer> want help chasing it down? 00:25 < perlDreamer> I need about 15 minutes to clean something up, then I'm good. 00:25 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) I think JT knows what's wrong 00:26 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) hold on... 00:43 < perlDreamer> not a good day... 00:43 < perlDreamer> Is anyone familiar with Redirect Assets? 00:43 <@pbmdawg> i am 00:44 <@pbmdawg> they're like, 2 lines and stuff ;) 00:44 < perlDreamer> yeah, that's what worries me. 00:44 < perlDreamer> what is it supposed to do if it is part of a Layout Asset? 00:45 <@pbmdawg> nothing 00:46 < perlDreamer> so, looking at the end of www_view, what good is the setRedirect call? 00:47 < perlDreamer> or does it just silently fail when it is part of another Asset? 00:48 <@pbmdawg> www_view isn't called when it's part of a layout 00:48 < perlDreamer> view() is instead? 00:49 <@pbmdawg> yeah 00:49 < perlDreamer> okay 00:55 < perlDreamer> and if you're in Admin mode you get shown a little list of links plus the editing icons 00:56 <@WRE> (snapcount@EN) later guys... thanks for the help earlier Colin 00:56 < perlDreamer> you bet 01:25 <@WRE> *** [signoff/#webgui] snapcount (Ping timeout: no data for 249 seconds) on EFnet 01:26 <@pbmdawg> oh1mrr - are you there? 01:30 < perlDreamer> !lastSpoke oh1mrr 01:30 <@WRE> oh1mrr last uttered a word on #webgui 5 hours ago. 01:37 -!- chansen [n=chansen@h156n4c1o1099.bredband.skanova.com] has quit ["Zzzzzzzzzzz"] 01:44 <@pbmdawg> nuba: are you there? 01:45 < nuba> yes 01:45 < nuba> sup ? 01:45 <@pbmdawg> just wondering if I can somehow convince you to donate some time to webgui :) 01:46 < nuba> well i'm deeply buried at work now, sorry :( 01:46 <@pbmdawg> ah 01:48 <@pbmdawg> LuckyLStrike: same question? 01:56 <@WRE> * (Nickola@EN) installs WRE 01:56 <@WRE> * (Nickola@EN) watches WRE blow up. 01:56 <@WRE> (Nickola@EN) hehe 01:56 <@WRE> (Nickola@EN) Gotta love it. 01:56 <@pbmdawg> which wre 01:56 <@WRE> * (Nickola@EN) starts RTFM 01:57 <@WRE> (Nickola@EN) 0.6.0 Debian 02:02 <@pbmdawg> sarge? 02:05 -!- pbmdawg [n=SysAdmin@CPE-65-31-211-163.kc.res.rr.com] has quit ["Bye."] 02:15 <@WRE> (Nickola@EN) Etch 02:15 <@WRE> (Nickola@EN) It seems that there is a problem with Mysql 02:16 <@WRE> (Nickola@EN) it's not leaving it's pid file, so no one can connect to it. 02:30 <@WRE> *** [signoff/#webgui] gooey (Ping timeout: 360 seconds) on EFnet 02:32 <@WRE> *** Join gooey (~webgui@24.241.121.70.cfl.res.rr.com) on EFnet 02:38 <@WRE> *** [signoff/#webgui] gooey (Ping timeout: 360 seconds) on EFnet 02:39 -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat084.mxim.com] has quit ["l8r dudes"] 02:44 <@WRE> *** Join gooey (~webgui@24.241.121.70.cfl.res.rr.com) on EFnet 02:49 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@c-69-139-51-253.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 02:57 <@WRE> *** Part Nickola (~~cannikan@66-46-142-242.amtelecom.net) on EFnet 02:57 <@WRE> *** Part gooey (webgui@24.241.121.70.cfl.res.rr.com) on EFnet 02:57 <@WRE> *** Join gooey (~webgui@24.241.121.70.cfl.res.rr.com) on EFnet 02:57 <@WRE> *** [mode/#webgui(+n)] by irc.dks.ca on EFnet 02:57 <@WRE> *** [mode/#webgui(+t)] by irc.dks.ca on EFnet 02:57 <@WRE> *** Join Nickola (~~cannikan@66-46-142-242.amtelecom.net) on EFnet 02:57 <@WRE> *** [mode/#webgui(+s)] by gooey on EFnet 03:41 -!- pbmdawg [n=SysAdmin@CPE-65-31-211-163.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui 03:46 < crythias> howdy 03:47 < pbmdawg> hey 03:59 < crythias> times like this, I wish I had a thin client wireless capable OS 03:59 < crythias> for my laptop. 03:59 < crythias> OTOH, I'm getting a 60gb drive 04:00 < crythias> of all the things I miss, I think I miss my passwords the most. 04:00 < crythias> fortunately gaim's accounts.xml is cross platform 04:01 < crythias> and *irk* passwords in plain text. Now for TV. It's time for beauty and the geek. 04:02 < crythias> BEAUTY 04:02 < crythias> TV ADDCT 04:02 < pbmdawg> TVSUKR 04:03 < pbmdawg> BOOBTOOB 04:25 <@WRE> (Nickola@EN) YARG 04:26 <@WRE> (Nickola@EN) wre ... install ... not working smoothly ... 04:43 <@WRE> (Nickola@EN) I have a question for you all about the wre, and I feel really silly asking...but...here goes.... 04:44 <@WRE> (Nickola@EN) What dirs are at the root of the wre? (/data/wre/) docs etc lib prereqs sbin var ? 04:44 <@WRE> (Nickola@EN) Is there supposed to be a WebGUI directory? 05:01 < crythias> wre=webgui 05:02 < crythias> CHM BUKT 05:03 < crythias> you're not dumb. YOu're academically inadequate. 05:03 < crythias> "What the **** is that supposed to mean?" 05:04 < crythias> LYM CHKN 05:05 < crythias> DDT ERRR 05:06 <@WRE> (Nickola@EN) okay....I'm thoroughly confused now. 05:06 < crythias> WebGUI Answer: WUT VRSN 05:06 < crythias> WebGUI Answer: UPGRADE 05:07 <@WRE> (Nickola@EN) wre 0.6.0 on a Debian etch system. 05:07 < crythias> WebGUI Answer: RTFM 05:07 <@WRE> (Nickola@EN) It has no "WebGUI" directory. 05:07 <@WRE> (Nickola@EN) so it errors when adding a site. 05:09 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@c-69-139-51-253.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:09 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@c-69-139-51-253.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 05:10 < crythias> WebGUI Answer: SBMTBUG 05:10 < crythias> WebGUI Answer: NO 05:11 < crythias> hahahah 05:16 < pbmdawg> huh 05:16 < crythias>
05:17 < crythias> er /select 05:20 < crythias> hahahahahhahzhzhahhhahahah 05:20 * crythias laughs 05:45 -!- pbmdawg [n=SysAdmin@CPE-65-31-211-163.kc.res.rr.com] has quit ["Bye."] 05:48 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@c-69-139-51-253.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #webgui [] 06:20 <@WRE> *** Join snapcount (~roy@24.241.121.70.cfl.res.rr.com) on EFnet 09:09 -!- chansen [n=chansen@h156n4c1o1099.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #WebGUI 09:28 <@WRE> *** [signoff/#webgui] Nickola (Read error: Connection reset by peer) on EFnet 09:33 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: @WRE 09:33 -!- Netsplit over, joins: @WRE 09:40 <@WRE> *** [signoff/#webgui] Nickola (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) on EFnet 09:42 <@WRE> *** Join Nickola (~~cannikan@66-46-142-242.amtelecom.net) on EFnet 13:20 -!- lenthamen [n=len@82-148-208-20.fiber.unet.nl] has joined #webgui 13:47 -!- Wouter [n=wouter@host1.procolix.nl] has joined #webgui 14:15 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #webgui 15:18 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@c-69-139-51-253.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 15:20 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@c-69-139-51-253.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 17:09 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has left #webgui [] 17:37 -!- Wouter [n=wouter@host1.procolix.nl] has left #webgui [] 19:06 -!- lenthamen [n=len@82-148-208-20.fiber.unet.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:28 -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat084.mxim.com] has joined #webgui 19:28 < perlDreamer> has anyone seen the DataForm bug posting on the boards? 19:46 -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat084.mxim.com] has quit [""too quiet""] 20:13 -!- snapcount [n=roy@24.241.121.70.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui 20:22 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has joined #webgui 20:22 < crythias> !list 20:26 -!- mode/#webgui [+o snapcount] by WRE 20:26 <@snapcount> !dubya 20:26 <@WRE> "Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream." 20:26 <@snapcount> pfft 20:29 < crythias> nobody at efnet 20:30 <@snapcount> My gateway machine went down earlier 20:30 <@snapcount> so the botnet is down b/c I'm too lazy to fix it 20:30 * snapcount yawns 20:31 < crythias> loverly 20:31 <@snapcount> I did make progress... I've scripted all the iptables stuff so if I lose power, the gateway is configured automagically 20:31 < crythias> think I want a coke. but machine's down. bk is close. frozen coke not unreasonable. 20:31 <@snapcount> one of my port forwarding rules is wrong so gooey is cut off 20:32 <@snapcount> cat BK | grep coke 20:32 < crythias> Burger King 20:33 < crythias> yeah 20:33 <@snapcount> I'm feeling very frustrated and violent right now 20:33 <@snapcount> it's kinda cool 20:34 <@snapcount> I have an overwhelming desire to watch something explode 20:34 <@snapcount> like that MythBusters where they *vaporized* the cement truck 20:35 <@snapcount> that was so freaking awesome I almost peed my pants 20:37 < crythias> http://media.putfile.com/yes-kids-gasoline-does-explode 20:38 <@snapcount> holy shit 20:38 <@snapcount> how did they not burn 20:38 < crythias> http://media.putfile.com/kick-explode 20:39 < crythias> hee :) 20:40 < crythias> You never know what you're going to get if you ask me. 20:40 < crythias> did the first one help your explode fetish? 20:46 <@snapcount> yes... I feel better 20:48 <@snapcount> whoa... I think I just found some classified video 20:48 <@snapcount> http://media.putfile.com/F16_Fallujah_20040410 20:48 <@WRE> http://tinyurl.com/dyenk 20:49 <@snapcount> what kind of site is this? 20:49 <@snapcount> crythias: do you work for the CIA? 20:51 <@snapcount> dude... that video better be a joke 20:51 <@snapcount> there's no way it's really classified 20:53 <@snapcount> I hope those people were bad guys 21:05 < crythias> no .. 21:05 < crythias> I don't work for cia :) 21:05 <@snapcount> ok 21:05 <@snapcount> just checking 21:05 < crythias> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11062942/ 21:08 < crythias> http://media.putfile.com/How-to-fold-your-shirt 21:08 <@WRE> http://tinyurl.com/bhh9h 21:33 <@snapcount> time to start some bug squashing 21:33 <@snapcount> wanna help gerald? 21:34 <@snapcount> (or anyone else here =) 21:44 < crythias> helping lost souls 21:45 < crythias> well, maybe not. 21:50 -!- pbmdawg [n=SysAdmin@CPE-65-31-211-163.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui 21:50 < crythias> I'm supposed to remind you I live in Florida. 21:52 <@snapcount> huh? 21:52 < crythias> ooh. n8n: navigation 21:52 <@snapcount> you live in Florida? 21:52 < crythias> yeah 21:52 <@snapcount> I'm missing something 21:52 < crythias> a5e article 21:52 <@snapcount> is that tied into lost souls some how? 21:52 < crythias> no. 21:54 < crythias> so I'm working on an a5e, and find myself needing to remove the a5e from the n8n because the n8n is too cluttered what with f4rs and s7ts and whatnot. 21:55 <@snapcount> supercalifragilisticexpialidocious s32s 21:55 < crythias> a24z 21:55 <@snapcount> the alphabet 21:55 < crythias> zywvutsrqponmlkjihgfedcba 21:55 < pbmdawg> x 21:55 <@snapcount> xxx 21:55 < crythias> yeah slipt 21:55 <@snapcount> x1x 21:55 < crythias> zyxwvutsrqponmlkjihgfedcba 21:55 < crythias> oops 21:56 <@snapcount> matt: i need help figuring out a session problem 21:56 < crythias> sponge is a word you can spell with backwards alphabet 21:56 < crythias> sponged is among the longest 21:57 < pbmdawg> roy: I need 30 more hours in the day. 21:57 < crythias> heh. don't sleep for 4 21:58 <@snapcount> sounds like matt is having deadline issues =) 21:58 < pbmdawg> no 21:58 < pbmdawg> I'm on time. 21:58 < crythias> you wimpersnappers ... in my day, I spent 12 hours straight coding my mud. 21:58 * snapcount slaps crythias around a bit with a large trout 21:58 < crythias> that's after school. 21:59 -!- pbmdawg [n=SysAdmin@CPE-65-31-211-163.kc.res.rr.com] has left #webgui [] 21:59 <@snapcount> well that was interesting 21:59 < crythias> yeah. 22:00 <@snapcount> i9g 22:00 < crythias> heh 22:00 < crythias> initsertng 22:00 < crythias> grr 22:00 < crythias> initseretng 22:01 <@snapcount> we should write a script that translates a series of words into i18n speak 22:01 <@snapcount> could prolly do it with one s// 22:01 < crythias> anyway, I'm aparently helpful on the boards today. 22:01 <@snapcount> cool 22:41 <@snapcount> !bash 22:41 <@WRE> |bash 34553| i so l33t.....i combined my radio and computer output to my speakers 22:41 <@WRE> |bash 34553| so now my head hurts when i have the radio and winamp on! 22:41 <@snapcount> !bash 22:42 <@WRE> |bash 34656| <+Psyko> I'm gonna go hump the couch 22:42 <@WRE> |bash 34656| <+Psyko> ~*boredom*~ 22:42 <@WRE> |bash 34656| <+Yamatto> dude, your couch puts out? 22:42 <@WRE> |bash 34656| <+Psyko> wall too 22:42 <@WRE> |bash 34656| <+Yamatto> damn 22:42 <@WRE> |bash 34656| <+Yamatto> i want your house 22:42 <@WRE> |bash 34656| <+Yamatto> unless you're like swapping wall for 'mom' 22:42 <@WRE> |bash 34656| <+Andaru> hahaha 22:42 <@WRE> |bash 34656| <+Andaru> and couch for 'little brother' 22:42 <@snapcount> !bofh 22:42 <@WRE> BOFH Quick-excuse: Smell from unhygenic janitorial staff wrecked the tape heads 22:42 <@snapcount> !bofh 22:42 <@WRE> BOFH Quick-excuse: Fiber optics caused gas main leak 22:43 <@snapcount> !bash 22:43 <@WRE> |bash 36186| Okay, my quote on bash.org is not mine 22:43 <@snapcount> !bash 22:43 <@WRE> |bash 40466| man, a volvo hit me yesterday 22:43 <@WRE> |bash 40466| the volvo hit me and it's gunna cost me like 200 bucks or some shit coz it was my fault 22:43 <@WRE> |bash 40466| was it an old person in the volvo? 22:43 <@WRE> |bash 40466| nah, fat chick 22:43 <@WRE> |bash 40466| i turned across the traffic and couldn't see her comin 22:43 <@WRE> |bash 40466| or throw food 22:44 < crythias> gee wonder what will show for google xmms firefox 22:44 <@snapcount> huh? 22:44 <@snapcount> you lost me 22:44 <@snapcount> what is xmms? 22:45 < crythias> it's music player for *nix 22:45 <@snapcount> oh cool 22:45 <@snapcount> you run x? 22:45 < crythias> yeah 22:45 <@snapcount> oh, that's right 22:45 <@snapcount> you told me this before 22:45 < crythias> at home, anyway. 22:45 * crythias is browsing his ref logs. 22:46 < crythias> !google 22:46 < crythias> !google xmms firefox 22:46 <@WRE> Google Book Search @ http://books.google.com/books?q=xmms+firefox&hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&sa=N&tab=wp 22:46 < crythias> books? 22:46 <@snapcount> !g xmms 22:46 <@WRE> Sound Enhancing Plugins @ /url?sa=U&start=1&si=0&oi=smap&q=http://www.xmms.org/effect.php | Google Book Search @ http://books.google.com/books?q=xmms&hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&sa=N&tab=wp 22:46 < crythias> any straight search? 22:46 <@snapcount> !gg xmms 22:46 <@WRE> Accepted xmms-kde 3.1-1 (i386 source) @ http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.changes.devel/browse_thread/thread/650455e4bcbd4c78 | Installed xmms-goom 1.7.6-1 (i386 sour @ http://groups.google.com/group/debian.devel.changes/browse_thread/thread/8584a44708baa50b | xmms update @ http://groups.google.com/group/mailing.freebsd.ports/browse_thread/thread/4cf50da6a51e0839 22:47 < crythias> !gg xmms firefox 22:47 <@WRE> chkrootkit detects hidden processes in m @ http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.user/browse_thread/thread/b95ad3d3065cadf3 | Firefox and bouncing cursor @ http://groups.google.com/group/alt.os.linux.suse/browse_thread/thread/59ffd3a32b4a36e2 | flash and mozilla (and firefox and epi @ http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.user/browse_thread/thread/881d60f8e9c85552 22:47 <@snapcount> it does a straight search but google advertises their new book search at the top of the results 22:47 <@snapcount> so it picks it up 22:47 < crythias> !y xmms 22:47 <@snapcount> sorry 22:48 <@snapcount> we only use search engines whose stock is $400+ / share 22:48 <@snapcount> !quote GOOG 22:48 <@WRE> GOOG -> 379.17 -16.87 / Last Trade 3:48pm / Change -4.26% / Volume 379.20 / 52 Week Range 379.30 22:48 <@snapcount> NOOO!!! 22:48 <@snapcount> it dropped 22:48 < crythias> time to get rid of that ... 22:48 < crythias> http://www.google.com/search?q=ion3%20firefox 22:48 <@WRE> http://tinyurl.com/cd3du 22:48 < crythias> http://www.google.com/search?q=xmms%20firefox 22:49 <@snapcount> get rid of what 22:49 <@snapcount> the stock? 22:49 < crythias> search engine 22:49 <@snapcount> I *wish* I had some to get rid of =) 22:49 <@snapcount> the bot search engine 22:49 <@snapcount> it's a pos 22:50 < crythias> heh 22:50 < crythias> what would you expect number one search result for "unraring program"? 22:50 <@snapcount> winrar 22:50 <@snapcount> or winzip 22:50 <@snapcount> wait... can winzip do rar? 22:50 <@snapcount> I dunno 22:50 <@snapcount> what is it? 22:51 < crythias> http://www.google.com/search?q=unraring%20program 22:51 <@WRE> http://tinyurl.com/94gqg 22:51 <@snapcount> grr 22:51 <@snapcount> nice 22:51 <@snapcount> Only the best AV software will unrar your files 22:51 < crythias> heh 22:52 <@snapcount> randcalc 22:52 <@WRE> wre = WebGUI Runtime Environment 22:52 <@snapcount> randcalc 22:52 <@WRE> flame = Roy and Martin are lovers 22:52 <@snapcount> nice 22:52 <@snapcount> randcalc 22:52 < crythias> ahhh yeahhh 22:52 <@WRE> whatistcl = All I know about TCL is that TCL ain't perl 22:53 <@snapcount> Guess I should go try to figure out this session problem 23:15 <@snapcount> !bash 33582 23:15 <@WRE> !bash: quote not found 23:16 <@snapcount> !bash 33852 23:16 <@WRE> |bash| <@FKnight> if sex had a wizard 23:16 <@WRE> |bash| <@FKnight> my g/f would pick Typical 23:16 <@WRE> |bash| <@FKnight> no custom 23:19 < crythias> add? 23:20 <@snapcount> what 23:20 <@snapcount> whaqt 23:20 <@snapcount> que 23:20 <@snapcount> como 23:20 <@snapcount> eh? 23:20 < crythias> sex wizard Add 23:21 <@snapcount> speak english crythias 23:21 <@snapcount> complete sentences 23:21 <@snapcount> hables engles 23:21 < crythias> bash quote above. 23:21 <@snapcount> por favor 23:21 <@snapcount> did I add it? 23:22 <@snapcount> luckily no... I just found it and thought it was pretty funny 23:22 < crythias> regarding the bash quote referencing a wizard for sex, the two options given were typical and custom. While that is funny, I was thinking about what other options could be in a Wizard, such as add/remove. 23:22 <@snapcount> oh 23:22 <@snapcount> now see 23:22 <@snapcount> that made complete sentence 23:22 <@snapcount> hooked on phonics worked for me =) 23:22 <@snapcount> lol 23:23 < crythias> heh 23:23 -!- pass [n=chatzill@owt-64-146-239-67.owt.com] has joined #webgui 23:23 <@snapcount> I used to love seeing the signs on the side of the road 23:23 <@snapcount> "learn to read free" 23:23 <@snapcount> "call 555-555-5555" 23:23 < crythias> so, I thought, if there was a wizard, I wonder if the guy's wife would have chosen "add" 23:23 <@snapcount> no pictures or anything 23:23 < crythias> hi 23:24 <@snapcount> hi pass 23:24 <@snapcount> bandpass 23:24 < crythias> filter 23:24 <@snapcount> low pass 23:24 <@snapcount> hehe 23:24 < pass> I got webgui up and running yesterday. Now what??? Is the 'WebGUI Done Right' worth the $125? 23:24 <@snapcount> I think so... but I'm biased 23:24 <@snapcount> =) 23:24 < crythias> the support is worth $500 23:24 < crythias> :) 23:25 <@snapcount> the support will give you more bang for your buck 23:25 <@snapcount> by far 23:25 < crythias> funny thing. I give free support and paid for it... 23:25 <@snapcount> that is funny 23:25 < crythias> english is a bugger. 23:25 <@snapcount> RWG has nice videos to show you how to do stuff 23:26 < crythias> yeah. 23:26 < pass> so the $500 bucks will help me migrate our existing web site into webgui? 23:26 <@snapcount> yep... we'll answer any questions you have 23:26 < crythias> well, it'll give you email support if you get stuck. 23:26 <@snapcount> but we won't do it for you 23:26 < pass> I'm sure I'll get stuck. 23:26 < pass> I'm not a web developer. 23:26 < crythias> migration from cms to cms is a pita anyway. 23:27 < crythias> What's weird is WebGUI works on a "chunk" dynamic, which I like a lot. 23:27 <@snapcount> I can't wait to hear this explanation 23:28 < crythias> chunk of content here, chunk of content there. 23:28 < crythias> you can expire chunks of content and move them without disturbing the layout of the page. 23:29 < pass> Our current website is not a cms. We just want to bring our website in house and I want to give our techsupport/sales/doc-writer a way to easily update/add pages. Seems like webgui will do that for me/us. Right? 23:29 <@snapcount> yep 23:29 < crythias> for mygration, tinymce would be nice in a pure copy/paste scenario. While you're viewing your old rendered content, highlight and paste it to the new article. 23:30 < crythias> you'll have to move images.likely. 23:30 <@snapcount> support covers everything... install, configuration, content, migration, apache, mysql, etc 23:30 < crythias> but, yeah, WebGUI *is* the way to easy update sites 23:30 <@snapcount> any question relating to your install of webgui 23:31 < crythias> I'd pay for support, especially if your thing is business important+ 23:31 <@snapcount> pass: what kind of business do you work for? 23:31 < pass> Now I have to convince upper mgmt to pay $1400 for a site design then $500 for support. 23:31 < crythias> $500 is easy enough to justify in most cases. Especially if you think about ldap support. 23:32 < pass> We are a small business that makes wirless access points. 23:32 < pass> www.esteem.com 23:32 <@snapcount> pass: you know that we do design as well, right? 23:32 < pass> Yes, I got a quote for $1400.00 23:32 <@snapcount> oh cool =) 23:33 < crythias> I'm not a plainblack.com employee, but snapcount is 23:33 <@snapcount> cool 23:33 < crythias> you want to look identical (more or less) to your existing, pass? 23:33 <@snapcount> you guys build cellphone towers? 23:34 < pass> not towers, just devices 23:34 <@snapcount> oh 23:34 < pass> cythias: yes, they probably want it to look the same 23:35 < crythias> floating nav would be nice touch for wg... 23:35 < crythias> for those who don't curse it. 23:35 < pass> so wg doesn't support the floating nav? 23:35 < crythias> that's not true. It's just not one of the defaults. 23:36 < crythias> if it can go in HTML, it can go in WG, more or less. The idea constructs are different, though. 23:37 < crythias> instead of mushing everything together, one would build the parts that make up a whole, so it's potentially reusable 23:38 -!- lenthamen [n=len@adsl-dc-2e425.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #webgui 23:38 <@snapcount> lenthamen! 23:39 < lenthamen> Hey snappie ;) 23:39 <@snapcount> didn't you write the commerce system? 23:39 < pass> I've played with wg for a little while now. Seems like a steep learning curve. Not as intuitive as I would have hoped. I guess after some time with WebGUI done right it would become easier to work with. Looks like an investment to get familiar with the system. 23:39 < lenthamen> Thank God I didn't 23:39 <@snapcount> damn 23:39 < lenthamen> Martin did... 23:40 <@snapcount> pass: the videos in WDR are a big help with that 23:40 < lenthamen> pass: What's so difficult about WebGUI ? 23:40 < lenthamen> pass: To add a page, click on "Add Layout" 23:40 < crythias> that menu is a pita 23:40 < lenthamen> pass: To add an article, click on "Add article" 23:41 < pass> well I was hoping I could do some redesign myself 23:41 < pass> Looks like I need to learn css 23:42 < crythias> What you'd have is article "Complete Wiresless Solutioins.. Made Simple" 23:42 < crythias> with content 23:42 < crythias> Article "Latest Press Release" 23:42 < crythias> possibly with a shortcut to the press release 23:43 < pass> and the menu system? just to mock it up it doesn't have to float. 23:43 < crythias> menu system is autogenerated 23:44 * lenthamen just checked in WebGUI::PerformanceProfiler 23:44 < crythias> wahoo 23:44 <@snapcount> you rock! 23:44 < lenthamen> pfffff what a job that was ;) 23:44 <@snapcount> how do I use it 23:45 <@snapcount> I want to try it out 23:45 * lenthamen is going to get another cold one. 23:45 < crythias> You can use dtree instead of vertical menu 23:45 < lenthamen> USAGE is documented in the POD 23:45 < crythias> I'm not completely familiar with the DHTML menus (I don't try a lot of different things) 23:45 < lenthamen> its easy 23:45 < lenthamen> PerlModule WebGUI::PerformanceProfiler PerlChildInitHandler WebGUI::PerformanceProfiler PerlOutputFilterHandler WebGUI::PerformanceProfiler 23:46 < lenthamen> PerlModule WebGUI::PerformanceProfiler 23:46 < lenthamen> PerlChildInitHandler WebGUI::PerformanceProfiler 23:46 < lenthamen> PerlOutputFilterHandler WebGUI::PerformanceProfiler 23:46 <@snapcount> add to the vhost? 23:46 < lenthamen> thats it 23:46 < lenthamen> global, I think 23:46 < lenthamen> I have it global 23:46 < lenthamen> might work in a vhost too 23:46 * crythias handles his Init Child with a Perl Output Filter. 23:47 * snapcount trys it 23:47 * lenthamen is curious 23:47 < crythias> pass: you should take a look at my faq as well http://www.gwy2.org/cgi-bin/fom 23:49 <@snapcount> yikes! 23:49 <@snapcount> only half my page loads 23:50 <@snapcount> maybe this has to go in the httpd.conf 23:50 <@snapcount> and not a vhost 23:50 < lenthamen> yeah, move it out the vhost. 23:51 < crythias> I should go before someone figures out that I'm here and says, "Yeah, ummkay, Gerald, riight, let's see, I think I'll be needing you to come in on Saaaturday. Oh, and Sunday, as well, mmkay. Good." 23:51 <@snapcount> haha 23:52 <@snapcount> do the lines need to go in any specific place? 23:52 < lenthamen> nope 23:52 <@snapcount> i.e., above/below preload.perl, etc 23:52 <@snapcount> ok 23:52 < pass> crythias: thanks for the site, looks like it could help me out 23:52 < lenthamen> I've tried it both above/below preload.perl. 23:52 < lenthamen> doesn't matter. 23:53 < crythias> and now, I'll take my leave. 23:53 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] 23:54 <@snapcount> lenthamen: does the profiler code slow the site down? 23:54 <@snapcount> it seems like it is 23:54 < lenthamen> yeah 23:55 <@snapcount> and then counts the slowdown it caused in the results? 23:55 < lenthamen> it might be a bit slower but it's metric. 23:55 <@snapcount> well, I guess it doesn't matter for relative testing 23:55 < lenthamen> do you get results ? 23:55 <@snapcount> yep 23:55 < lenthamen> kewl ! 23:55 <@snapcount> p.s. it won't work in a vhost =) 23:56 <@snapcount> might want to pass that on 23:56 < lenthamen> I'll add that to the usage section in the code 23:56 <@snapcount> that's awesome that you got this in here 23:56 <@snapcount> it will be very useful 23:57 < lenthamen> I think the way it works is very cool.... It searches for code references and adds wrapper code around it. 23:58 < lenthamen> You can also profile something specific 23:58 <@snapcount> example? 23:58 < lenthamen> For example if you're working on WebGUI::Asset::Article, you could change $whatToProfile from "WebGUI" to "WebGUI::Asset::Article" 23:59 < lenthamen> I should make that configurable though. 23:59 <@snapcount> how do you change it now? --- Day changed Sat Feb 04 2006 00:00 <@snapcount> in the module? 00:03 < lenthamen> yeah. 00:04 < lenthamen> What do you think about this way: 00:04 < lenthamen> PerlModule WebGUI::PerformanceProfiler(WebGUI::Asset) 00:05 < lenthamen> that will limit to WebGUI::Asset::* 00:05 < lenthamen> defaults to WebGUI::* 00:05 <@snapcount> That would better than having to edit the module 00:05 < lenthamen> ok, going to do it that way. 00:18 < lenthamen> snapcount: I've changed it to PerlSetVar whatToProfile WebGUI::Asset::Wobject 00:18 < lenthamen> it's in svn 00:28 -!- lenthamen [n=len@adsl-dc-2e425.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has left #webgui [] 00:30 -!- lenthamen [n=len@adsl-dc-2e425.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #webgui 00:54 -!- chansen [n=chansen@h156n4c1o1099.bredband.skanova.com] has quit ["later folks"] 01:24 -!- lenthamen [n=len@adsl-dc-2e425.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:15 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@c-69-139-51-253.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 03:16 < crythias> hee 03:16 < crythias> so ... I'm thinking of license plates.. MRE MEAT 03:16 < crythias> and it dawns on me. Maybe that's where it came from... 03:17 < crythias> "Meals Ready to Eat - Meat" 03:17 < crythias> what are we having today? Mystery Meat. 03:18 < crythias> I lost my job at the orange juice factory. I couldn't concentrate. 03:19 < crythias> Elf needs food... badly. Valkyrie shot the food. 03:21 < crythias> it should be noted that my new laptop hd is faster and quieter than my old one. 03:22 < crythias> nice to have 60gb available for my thin client, too. 12:52 -!- chansen [n=chansen@h156n4c1o1099.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #WebGUI 15:16 -!- oh1mrr [n=oh1mrr@dna252-180.satp.customers.dnainternet.fi] has left #webgui ["oh1mrr has left the building"] 15:33 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #webgui 16:59 -!- pbmdawg [n=SysAdmin@CPE-65-31-211-163.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui 17:00 < MrHairgrease> matt 17:00 < MrHairgrease> I use rewrite rules to host multiple domians on one wg instance 17:01 < MrHairgrease> eg. subdomain.mydomain.com/ would be rewritten to the page /subdomain 17:01 < MrHairgrease> index.pl/subdomain that is 17:02 < MrHairgrease> however in 6.8 there's no index.pl scripts anymore 17:02 < MrHairgrease> so i figured let's dump the index.pl from the rule and be happy 17:02 < MrHairgrease> it doesn't seem to workl however 17:02 < MrHairgrease> probably because webgui get the uri before it's being rewritten. 17:02 < MrHairgrease> so how do i solve this 17:05 < pbmdawg> back 17:05 < pbmdawg> sry 17:06 < pbmdawg> did you have multiple gateway scripts? 17:06 < MrHairgrease> nope 17:07 < MrHairgrease> just a lot of serveralisases under the vhost 17:07 < MrHairgrease> the ide is as follows 17:07 < MrHairgrease> for each subdomain create a page root 17:07 < MrHairgrease> eg. webforum 17:08 < MrHairgrease> there's only one index.pl so we want to rewrite webforum.koornbeurs.nl to webforum.koornbeurs.nl/webforum 17:08 < pbmdawg> ok.. 17:08 < MrHairgrease> which is actually the same page as koornbeurs.nl/webforum 17:09 < MrHairgrease> I hacked WebGUI.pm as a quick fix. 17:09 < pbmdawg> so what if someone requests webforum.koornbeurs.nl/somePage 17:09 < MrHairgrease> but essentially that sucks 17:09 < MrHairgrease> then it should not rewrite 17:09 < MrHairgrease> just serve the page 17:09 < MrHairgrease> depending on what you want taht is 17:10 < pbmdawg> ok, so it's just requests whose uri is '/' 17:10 < MrHairgrease> in this case it is 17:10 < MrHairgrease> sometimes you don't want that 17:10 < MrHairgrease> for instance 17:10 < MrHairgrease> you have two languages on the same site 17:11 < MrHairgrease> wait 17:11 < MrHairgrease> i must be using drugs 17:11 < MrHairgrease> only the '/' 17:12 < pbmdawg> hey, look at my irc msg to you 17:14 < MrHairgrease> wait 17:14 < MrHairgrease> brb 18:00 < MrHairgrease> laters 18:01 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] --- Day changed Sun Feb 05 2006 00:07 -!- lenthamen [n=len@83.116.130.37] has joined #webgui 02:39 -!- lenthamen [n=len@83.116.130.37] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:43 -!- pbmdawg [n=SysAdmin@CPE-65-31-211-163.kc.res.rr.com] has quit ["Bye."] 03:34 -!- crythia1 [n=gyoung@c-69-139-51-253.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 03:34 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@c-69-139-51-253.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 03:34 -!- crythia1 is now known as crythias 03:38 -!- snapcount [n=roy@24.241.121.70.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [] 04:15 -!- pbmdawg [n=SysAdmin@CPE-65-31-211-163.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui 04:16 -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@199.107.160.242] has joined #webgui 04:17 < crythias> yawn\ 04:23 < crythias> ORNMNTL 04:24 < pbmdawg> SUPRBWL 04:24 < perlDreamer> DETROIT 04:24 < crythias> GO STLRS 04:25 < perlDreamer> SEAHAWKS 04:25 < crythias> SEAHAWX 04:25 < pbmdawg> SEAHOGS 04:25 < crythias> BIG GAME 04:25 < pbmdawg> (sounds the same) 04:26 < perlDreamer> someone want to help me with snippets to fix a bug? 04:26 < crythias> kay 04:26 < pbmdawg> the bug is in assetproxy macro 04:26 < pbmdawg> well 04:26 < pbmdawg> sort of. 04:26 < perlDreamer> Not in snippet itself? 04:26 < crythias> oh. hrm. I also need to have 6.9.0.svn 04:27 < perlDreamer> no, it's in 6.8.5 04:27 < pbmdawg> that's the only case I could think of that would have it put the

in there without the controls 04:27 < crythias> oh the ... 04:27 < crythias> it's not .pm.. it's the tinymce, likely. 04:28 < perlDreamer> it might be both AssetProxy and Snippet. 04:28 < perlDreamer> AssetProxy calls toggleToolbar. I'm guessing that turns off the toolbar 04:28 < crythias> gosh my laptop is silent with the new hd. 04:28 < perlDreamer> but then Snippet still adds the paragraph tags 04:28 < pbmdawg> crythias: did you get an acorn 04:28 < crythias> a what? 04:29 < pbmdawg> acorn hdd 04:29 < crythias> uh. no. was browsing and got the cheapest for my laptop. 04:29 < crythias> well, at least from this one vendor. 04:29 < crythias> 40gb for some $70 04:30 < crythias> turns out I got a Hitachi travelstar to replace my ibm travelstar 04:30 < pbmdawg> how much papajohn's can you eat in 1 sitting 04:30 < pbmdawg> i used to be able to eat a whole large (pepperoni, bacon, extra cheese). now just 3/4 large. 04:30 < crythias> I was about to scream, but put it in, anyway, so far.. no more clicking. 04:31 < perlDreamer> UMMBACON 04:31 < crythias> oh, gosh, I don't know. if I wanted to , I could eat a whole, but I've been reducing my food intake, somewhat. 04:31 < crythias> just keep me away from sushi and dim sum. 04:31 < pbmdawg> I don't know what those are. 04:31 < perlDreamer> dim sum rocks 04:31 < crythias> aye. 04:32 < pbmdawg> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Hitachinotebookhd.jpg 04:32 < crythias> I go to a place called Bo LIngs 04:32 <@WRE> http://tinyurl.com/9h9v5 04:32 < perlDreamer> I found the bug 04:32 < pbmdawg> k 04:33 < pbmdawg> crythias: is this what your old ibm disk drive looked like? 04:33 < pbmdawg> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d7/IBM_old_hdd.jpg 04:34 <@WRE> http://tinyurl.com/dk88m 04:34 < perlDreamer> is AnyAsset->view ever called with args? 04:34 < pbmdawg> yeah 04:34 < pbmdawg> a few of the assets use it for special signals. 04:34 < crythias> no 04:34 < crythias> it looked like something else. said it was an ibm travelstar. 04:35 < crythias> in my inspiron 2500, it's the 6th hard drive to fail in the batch of 25 we bought 3 years ago 04:35 < crythias> all where ibm travelstars. 04:35 < crythias> where: were 04:37 < crythias> but I'm happy, now. silence + speed + size 04:39 < crythias> btw: links -g = fast, and creepy. 04:39 < pbmdawg> good fix colin 04:40 < perlDreamer> thx 04:40 < pbmdawg> is the reported avatar bug a duplicate? 04:41 < perlDreamer> probably, I haven't looked at it yet 04:41 < crythias> so, has JT screamed about the closing of old rfe's? 04:43 < perlDreamer> not that I've heard 04:44 < crythias> good. I'll just clean them all out :) 04:44 < perlDreamer> the new Avatar bug has different behavior from the one I fixed. But if he's using IE I'm betting that it's fixed. 04:45 < perlDreamer> the DataForm is seriously broken 04:48 < pbmdawg> i'll scream if you clean them all out! :) 04:48 < pbmdawg> yeah. the DataForm is almost as broken as the EventsCalendar. 04:48 < perlDreamer> are you telling me it's too early to upgrade? 04:48 < pbmdawg> yeah, if you have DataForms or Calendars. 04:49 < perlDreamer> haven't seen any calendar bugs 04:52 < pbmdawg> well 04:52 < crythias> HAK N COF 04:57 < pbmdawg> TRNHEDCOF 04:59 < crythias> BN PROBD 04:59 < pbmdawg> lol 05:00 < crythias> PREP H 05:01 < crythias> SML FNGR 05:02 < pbmdawg> HROIDS 05:02 < pbmdawg> LSRSRGY 05:02 < crythias> HM ROIDS 05:02 < crythias> brnd btt 05:02 < pbmdawg> HLTOSIS 05:03 < crythias> EYE GOUJ 05:03 < pbmdawg> THERACK 05:03 < crythias> NSL DRIP 05:03 -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@199.107.160.242] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] 05:03 < crythias> awe 05:18 -!- pbmdawg [n=SysAdmin@CPE-65-31-211-163.kc.res.rr.com] has quit ["Bye."] 05:43 -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@199.107.160.242] has joined #webgui 06:15 -!- chansen [n=chansen@h156n4c1o1099.bredband.skanova.com] has quit ["bbl"] 06:15 -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@199.107.160.242] has quit [""good night""] 10:03 -!- pbmdawg [n=SysAdmin@CPE-65-31-211-163.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui 10:19 -!- mode/#webgui [+o pbmdawg] by WRE 14:33 -!- chansen [n=chansen@h156n4c1o1099.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #WebGUI 16:29 < crythias> gmorning 16:57 <@pbmdawg> gmorning. 17:16 -!- pbmdawg [n=SysAdmin@CPE-65-31-211-163.kc.res.rr.com] has quit ["Bye."] 18:36 -!- pbmdawg [n=SysAdmin@CPE-65-31-211-163.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui 20:08 < crythias> wow 20:08 < pbmdawg> wow? 20:08 < crythias> I can't believe that my hard drive on my laptop was what was slowing everything down. 20:09 < crythias> I mean, I can, but.. I didn't realize how bad. 20:10 < crythias> now, on the start of firefox, it's almost instantaneous. 20:15 < pbmdawg> FOXIERF 20:15 < crythias> heh 20:17 < crythias> THNDRBRD 21:00 < pbmdawg> THNDRFOX 21:01 < crythias> thats nice 21:01 < crythias> THNDRFYR 21:01 < crythias> LYTNGWLF 21:02 < pbmdawg> LITNGBUG 21:03 < crythias> CHOK LYN 21:04 < crythias> ROAD KLL 21:11 -!- lenthamen [n=len@83.116.130.37] has joined #webgui 21:13 < crythias> hey, len 21:15 < crythias> anatomicaly correct log 21:20 < lenthamen> hey crythias 21:20 < lenthamen> anatomicaly correct log ? 21:23 < pbmdawg> len 21:24 < pbmdawg> https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/WebGUI%20SVN/revision?rev=796 21:24 <@WRE> http://tinyurl.com/9ckka 21:26 < crythias> len: ren and stimpy 21:27 < crythias> niftiness 21:28 < crythias> It's log, log it's better than bad, it's good. 21:29 < lenthamen> k 21:51 -!- pbmdawg [n=SysAdmin@CPE-65-31-211-163.kc.res.rr.com] has quit ["Bye."] 22:06 -!- lenthamen [n=len@83.116.130.37] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] --- Day changed Mon Feb 06 2006 02:59 -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@199.107.160.242] has joined #webgui 02:59 < perlDreamer> snapcount: you there? 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16:42 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@c-69-139-51-253.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 17:06 < lenthamen> Hey Martin 17:06 < lenthamen> I guess before. 17:07 < MrHairgrease> Well somehow rewrite rules that used to work on rewriting to index.pl don't seem to do their thing anymore now that webgui is a mod_perl handler 17:08 < lenthamen> because there's no index.pl... 17:08 < MrHairgrease> So I guessed mod_rewrite rwrites the uri after WebGUI has caught it 17:08 < MrHairgrease> Well the index.pl is not relevant in this case 17:09 < lenthamen> well, the thing is that WebGUI is a handler for the whole vhost, so requests always get passed to WebGUI. 17:09 < MrHairgrease> what I do is rewrite to a startpage based on the server_name 17:10 < MrHairgrease> something like 17:10 < MrHairgrease> RewriteCond %{SERVER_NAME} webforum.koornbeurs.nl$ [NC] 17:10 < MrHairgrease> RewriteRule ^/$ /webforum [L] 17:10 < lenthamen> Yeah I understand 17:10 < MrHairgrease> ok 17:10 < lenthamen> I also do that to redirect .com to /home_english 17:10 < lenthamen> that kind of stuff 17:10 < MrHairgrease> yeah 17:10 < MrHairgrease> and in your case it works on 6.8+? 17:11 < lenthamen> Not using 6.8 in prod yet. 17:11 -!- pbmdawg [n=SysAdmin@CPE-65-31-211-163.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui 17:12 < MrHairgrease> ok 17:12 < MrHairgrease> maybe chanses knows 17:12 < pbmdawg> I'm here! 17:12 < MrHairgrease> chansen? 17:12 < MrHairgrease> hi matt 17:12 < pbmdawg> maybe I know. 17:12 < MrHairgrease> no I asked you already 17:12 < MrHairgrease> it's about the rewrite stuff on 68 17:12 < pbmdawg> oh. 17:13 < pbmdawg> ask gerald 17:13 < MrHairgrease> gerald? 17:13 < pbmdawg> he knows apache better than the Apaches 17:13 < MrHairgrease> ok 17:15 < lenthamen> Martin have you had a look at the mod_rewrite logs ? 17:15 < MrHairgrease> yes and no 17:16 < MrHairgrease> sort of that is 17:16 < MrHairgrease> I have been very busy with other stuff 17:16 < MrHairgrease> I couldn't see anything wrong with loglevel 5 17:17 < MrHairgrease> I'll have another look at it later this week. 18:08 < chansen> pong 18:08 < chansen> I guess it's not working because WebGUI shortcuts the trans handler by returning OK 18:09 < chansen> MrHairgrease: try commenting out that line 18:09 < MrHairgrease> mod_rewrite sits in the transhandler? 18:09 < chansen> IIRC yes 18:09 < MrHairgrease> ok will do 18:09 < MrHairgrease> moment please 18:11 < MrHairgrease> hmm, doesn't seem to work. 18:12 < lenthamen> Martin are you coming to amsterdam tomorrow night ? 18:12 < MrHairgrease> yeah 18:12 < MrHairgrease> free drinks and stuff ;) 18:12 < lenthamen> hehe, ok, will see you there than. 18:12 < MrHairgrease> what time is it again? 18:12 < lenthamen> starts at 17:30 18:12 < MrHairgrease> ok 18:12 < MrHairgrease> i'll be there 18:14 < MrHairgrease> setting the trans handler to declined also doesn't work 18:25 < chansen> ok, i just checked, mod_rewrite does it's rewriting in several hooks, including ap_hook_translate_name 18:26 < chansen> try enabling mod_rewrite's log a level of 3 18:26 < chansen> should give you some hints 18:28 < chansen> and try without WebGUI's trans handler 18:35 < MrHairgrease> ok I'll try that later this week 18:35 < MrHairgrease> thanks 18:35 < chansen> np :) 18:41 -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat124.mxim.com] has joined #webgui 18:44 -!- lenthamen [n=len@82-148-208-20.fiber.unet.nl] has left #webgui [] 19:24 -!- crythia1 [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has joined #webgui 19:26 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@c-69-139-51-253.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 19:26 -!- crythia1 is now known as crythias 19:28 < perlDreamer> crythias: there is medication to help with schizophrenia nowadays 19:30 < crythias> really? How do you know you don't get multiple doses? 19:30 < perlDreamer> well, if it works, one would think that you'd center around 1 personality 19:31 < perlDreamer> and I guess if you took too much it would leave you with 0 personality, and then you'd be an IRC bot :) 19:31 < crythias> heh 19:32 < perlDreamer> did you check out the doc change that I made to the Redirect Asset over the weekend? 19:32 < crythias> Headline: "User dies from overdose of Schizophrenic Medication. Family members of his 5 personalities gathered for support." 19:33 < perlDreamer> SCHIZDAD 19:33 < crythias> hrm? :) no... 19:33 < crythias> been otherwise occupied. 19:34 < crythias> ok. where did you edit help? 19:34 < crythias> wow. office svn is ancient. 19:35 < perlDreamer> It's the Asset_Redirect Help entry 19:35 < perlDreamer> and I did both branches 19:35 < perlDreamer> so either will work 19:36 < crythias> The Page Redirect Asset causes the user's browser to be redirected to another page. This will happen automatically if it is viewed standalone. If the Asset is viewed as part a Page Asset, or proxied via a macro, then nothing will happen 19:36 < perlDreamer> yup 19:36 < perlDreamer> that's it. 19:37 < crythias> it's almost a misnomer. 19:37 < crythias> The Page Redirect Asset is essentially a hyperlink that you can use in Navigation. 19:38 < perlDreamer> to take you to another page/site 19:38 < crythias> I think my sentence is clear(ish) about its purpose though. 19:39 < crythias> I think the redirection part is confusing. 19:39 < crythias> yes, it does that, but it's not inherently different from an a href except that it can show up in Navigation. 19:40 < perlDreamer> but unlike an HREF you don't have to get a page to make it work 19:40 < perlDreamer> there's no "source" to it 19:40 < crythias> because it's a url redirect if you give it out manually. 19:41 < perlDreamer> yes 19:41 < crythias> like tinyurl 19:41 < perlDreamer> yes 19:41 < crythias> interesting thing.. you could hide stuff in the url. 19:41 < crythias> redirect 19:42 < perlDreamer> sure 19:42 < perlDreamer> I think it would be great if JT made www.webgui.org/help redirect to the help index 19:42 < perlDreamer> ?op=viewHelpIndex 19:43 < perlDreamer> and I've been thinking about building a login link that is essentially ?op=auth;func=login (or whatever) 19:43 < perlDreamer> it's a front-end user way of doing Apache rename 19:43 < perlDreamer> but much heavier 19:43 < crythias> Have a few minutes? 19:44 < perlDreamer> yeah 19:44 < crythias> I have been working with someone who needed a solution for something. Basically, fill a dataform and use the dataform's values to populate a page. 19:45 < perlDreamer> WG version? 19:45 < crythias> not the entire page, but repeating text stuff. 19:45 < crythias> 6.7+ 19:45 < perlDreamer> 1 page/multiple pages 19:45 < crythias> 200 sites, 19:45 < crythias> grouped 19:45 < perlDreamer> I see two options 19:46 < perlDreamer> 1) Use the List view feature of the DataForm, and Proxy it onto all other sites 19:46 < crythias> the info from the dataform needs to filter for all the pages that belong to a site. 19:46 < perlDreamer> I don't understand that 19:47 < perlDreamer> anyway 19:47 < crythias> one wg instance, but these "sites" are under the uber umbrella. Sales, Communications, etc 19:47 < perlDreamer> each subsite pulls the same info from the same dataform? 19:47 < crythias> the problem is a) how to keep the information in tact for the pages that belong to the site in the department 19:48 < crythias> b) how to make it easy to insert the valid data exactly where it's needed. 19:48 < perlDreamer> what kind of information is it? 19:49 < crythias> unknown, but likely department head names, addresses, phone numbers. 19:49 < crythias> stuff that would be likely in a template. 19:49 < perlDreamer> and they want it centralized in 1 dataform to make it easy to manage 19:49 < crythias> maybe in a header or footer. 19:49 < crythias> yeah. 19:49 < crythias> and security for the siteadmins to edit only their own data. 19:49 < perlDreamer> Did you see the script that I posted over the weekend to WG's contrib area? 19:50 < perlDreamer> it takes a DataForm and translates it to a regular table inside the database 19:50 < perlDreamer> which makes it very easy to build SQLReports against 19:50 < crythias> ooh cool. 19:51 < perlDreamer> So now you only have to solve 1 problem, and that's the data editing problem 19:51 < perlDreamer> I think that can be done with multiple dataforms 19:51 -!- snapcount [n=roy@24.241.121.70.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui 19:51 < perlDreamer> yo roy 19:51 < crythias> I worked a different angle. 19:51 < snapcount> yo 19:52 -!- mode/#webgui [+o snapcount] by WRE 19:52 < crythias> I created a macro that looked up the data... 19:52 < perlDreamer> snapcount: Don't know if Matt told you, but I can't duplicate any of the DataForm bugs 19:52 < perlDreamer> in 6.8.6 19:52 <@snapcount> interesting 19:52 <@snapcount> I'm very concerned about those 19:53 <@snapcount> there are a couple posts on the boards about that from different people 19:53 < perlDreamer> crythias: that's a lighter weight solution than a full SQL report 19:53 < crythias> the problem is making the site match the info. 19:53 < crythias> I figured that out, too. but the client doesn't like it. 19:54 < perlDreamer> can you use the current URL for more information? 19:54 < crythias> that's my solution. 'cause otherwise I'd have to mess with the table. 19:54 < crythias> of all asset types 19:54 < perlDreamer> ug 19:55 < perlDreamer> client has a preference for end solution? 19:56 < perlDreamer> snapcount: unless they can give you step by step instructions for bug duplication or access to their site, I think it's going to be hard to diagnose those bug reports 19:56 < crythias> wants siteadmins cart blanche over url 19:57 < crythias> I'm reasonably certain that I have the best solution. 19:57 <@snapcount> I'm wondering if it's an ssl thing 19:57 < crythias> The problem is keeping the siteadmins within their realm of edit. 19:58 < perlDreamer> crythias: might have to use multiple dataforms 19:58 < crythias> why? 19:58 < crythias> and how will that help? 19:59 < perlDreamer> because there's no way in 1 dataform to tell who can edit which entries 19:59 < crythias> yes, but you can protect the dataform... 19:59 < perlDreamer> so then you need multiple dataforms for multiple editors 19:59 < crythias> and you can filter based upon a use profile 19:59 < crythias> user profile field 20:00 < crythias> let's say the dataform is custom. 20:00 < perlDreamer> custom how? 20:00 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has left #webgui [] 20:00 < perlDreamer> like extended to allow per user data editing? 20:01 < crythias> well, could restrict dataset to edit based upon a user profile field. 20:01 < crythias> http://www.plainblack.com/?op=viewProfile;uid=2JfI1zjbxUsNfOoWy-rPwA 20:01 <@WRE> http://tinyurl.com/avlct 20:01 < perlDreamer> then that would work, so long as editors are not allowed to edit their own profile field 20:01 < crythias> yeah, ok. 20:02 < crythias> my macro was based upon the first part of the page url and the field they want to retrieve. 20:03 < crythias> still, after all this mess, I'm just saying it's probably worth making all these changes in individual templates rather than fighting user silliness. 20:03 < crythias> even for 200 20:03 < crythias> I can't guess from my macro which dataform/dataset to pull data from. 20:04 < crythias> and I'm not going to rely on the user to fill in the field in the macro. 20:06 <@snapcount> I'll be trying to get a 6.8.6 release out within the next couple of days 20:06 <@snapcount> anything anyone can do to help would be greatly appreciated 20:06 < crythias> gotta go. 20:06 <@snapcount> even if it's just confirming the bugs reported are actually bugs 20:06 <@snapcount> every little bit helps =) 20:06 < perlDreamer> I fixed a few over the weekend. I'll get busy with the docs, too. 20:07 <@snapcount> and if you can't help... pass it on to someone that can if you see them lurking around 20:07 <@snapcount> perlDreamer: thank you 20:09 < perlDreamer> I fixed an Avatar bug already, but it's worth testing 6.8 SVN with FireFox 1.5 to verify that it isn't a new bug. 20:09 < perlDreamer> But vitkovsky's IE bug for the Avatar should be fixed. 20:16 <@snapcount> ok... I'll check that out 22:59 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] --- Day changed Tue Feb 07 2006 00:10 -!- snapcount [n=roy@24.241.121.70.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:08 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@c-69-139-51-253.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 01:08 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@c-69-139-51-253.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 01:08 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@c-69-139-51-253.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui 01:11 < crythias> howdy. 01:13 < crythias> fear leads to trembling. trembling leads to puking. puking leads to light headedness. lightheadedness leads to fainting. 02:48 -!- snapcount [n=roy@24.241.121.70.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui 02:48 < snapcount> is anyone home!? 02:48 < snapcount> Lucy! I'm Home!!! 02:48 < pbmdawg> here. 02:48 < snapcount> tally one for the home team 02:48 < perlDreamer> yo 02:48 < snapcount> two 02:49 < snapcount> my god... we're on a roll 02:49 < perlDreamer> but only for a little bit 02:49 < snapcount> 1.5 02:49 < perlDreamer> it that better? 02:49 < snapcount> still not bad 02:49 < perlDreamer> plus, I'm very lippy 02:49 < perlDreamer> 1.37 02:49 < snapcount> lol 02:49 < snapcount> I have a MP2/Apache question 02:49 * crythias is watching the aots chat feed. 02:50 * pbmdawg wonders what aots is 02:50 < snapcount> ok 02:50 < crythias> attack of the show. 02:50 < crythias> g4tv. 02:50 < snapcount> so what does apache do when mp2 does this: 02:50 < snapcount> return Apache2::Const::DECLINED 02:50 < perlDreamer> goes to the next handler in the chain 02:50 < snapcount> I've searched and can't find the answer 02:51 < perlDreamer> go and read Geoff's MP2 presentations from the WUC. 02:51 < perlDreamer> great intro to MP2 02:51 < snapcount> what is the next handler when that is being called in WebGUI.pm 02:51 < snapcount> in the request method 02:51 < pbmdawg> you can check 02:51 < pbmdawg> by asking apache to list the handlers 02:51 < snapcount> coool 02:52 < snapcount> how do you do that? 02:52 < snapcount> well, here is the issue at hand 02:52 < snapcount> I'm beating around the bush a tad 02:53 < snapcount> I can't figure out how to get MP2 to butt out when there is a request for a PHP page 02:53 < snapcount> Pre 6.8 this was easy 02:53 < snapcount> b/c you just did it with a rewrite rule 02:53 < snapcount> now, I'm scratching my head 02:53 < snapcount> PHP works if I turn MP2 off 02:53 < snapcount> and vice-versa 02:54 < crythias> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/xxjnBQ36.html 02:54 <@WRE> http://tinyurl.com/7w83l 02:54 < perlDreamer> inside WebGUI.pm, there is a subroutine called handler. 02:54 < snapcount> yes... been studying that one 02:54 < perlDreamer> have it DECLINE the request if it's for PHP 02:54 < crythias> you can turn off handler 02:54 < crythias> for urls 02:54 < perlDreamer> I think that's all you need to do 02:54 < snapcount> passthruUrls setting? 02:54 < crythias> yeah 02:55 < snapcount> it doesn't seem to work 02:55 < crythias> hrm. 02:55 < snapcount> when that happens, which instance of apache has the request 02:55 < snapcount> proxy or modperl 02:55 < snapcount> 80 || 81 02:55 < crythias> you're on wre 02:55 < snapcount> yes 02:55 < crythias> that would be helpful to know 02:56 < snapcount> now you know =) 02:56 < crythias> or you stated it, and I'm being ignorant again. 02:56 < snapcount> no... I didn't 02:56 < snapcount> flame away 02:56 < snapcount> I guess that's the question 02:56 < snapcount> b/c I figured that DECLINE was what I needed 02:57 < snapcount> I need to know which apache gets the request 02:57 < snapcount> when MP2 returns a DECLINE 02:57 < snapcount> it's acting like it's going to mod_proxy 02:57 < perlDreamer> modperl 02:57 < perlDreamer> I think 02:57 < crythias> 81 02:57 < snapcount> that would make sense 02:57 < snapcount> but it's not behaving that way 02:57 < snapcount> I need a simple test to see if DECLINE is working 02:57 < snapcount> w/o PHP 02:58 < snapcount> narrow the scope of the issue a little 02:58 < snapcount> I should be able to serve static content 02:58 < snapcount> if I use a passthruUrl right? 02:58 < snapcount> like a .gif 02:58 < crythias> think so 02:58 < snapcount> ok... where will apache look for the static content 02:58 < snapcount> in the document root? 02:58 < snapcount> of mod_perl apache 02:59 < snapcount> b/c I tried this and I got file not found errors in the apache logs 02:59 < snapcount> with no path 02:59 < snapcount> set the log level to debug 02:59 * snapcount is having numerous issues today 02:59 < crythias> oh. 02:59 < snapcount> maybe I'm mal-nourished 02:59 < crythias> well, wait. 03:00 < crythias> don't forget that apache could do that for several reasons, including ALLOW, DENY issues on the folder 03:00 < snapcount> I didn't check that 03:00 * snapcount slaps self with a large trout 03:01 < snapcount> what was that url you posted crythias? 03:01 < crythias> part of http://search.cpan.org/dist/mod_perl/docs/user/handlers/intro.pod 03:01 <@WRE> http://tinyurl.com/ag79t 03:01 < snapcount> oh ok 03:01 < snapcount> thank you 03:01 < crythias> you're welcome :) 03:01 < snapcount> I'll check the perms and see if I can get a .gif to display 03:02 < snapcount> that should be a good step to getting this working 03:02 < snapcount> I'm so close I'm going insane 03:02 < snapcount> damn support requests =) 03:02 < crythias> yeah, well... I'm concerned about jay.phillz's filepile upload problem. 03:02 < snapcount> stay tuned for jubilation or cursing pending the outcoume 03:03 < snapcount> ehhh 03:03 < snapcount> bugs... 03:03 < crythias> I can't figure out why it's not working + not errors 03:03 < snapcount> that's all I wanted to work on today 03:03 < snapcount> and haven't touched a single one yet 03:03 < snapcount> is this in the public forums? 03:03 < crythias> http://www.plainblack.com/web_design_templates_and_themes/file-pile-uploads4../1#-gaWEwaI6hrUzxWe5AxAcA 03:03 < crythias> yeah 03:03 <@WRE> http://tinyurl.com/8vrra 03:04 < crythias> but *I* know filepile works. 03:04 < snapcount> is there a bug report for it? or are we not sure there's a bug yet 03:04 < crythias> not sure there's a bug to report. 03:04 < snapcount> ok 03:04 < crythias> maybe it got zapped with a heart paddle. 03:04 < snapcount> FIRE 03:05 < snapcount> when I'm finished w/ support I'll be in bug search -n- destroy mode 03:05 < snapcount> if you're around later we can talk about it 03:05 < snapcount> try to figure it out 03:05 < crythias> :) 03:05 < snapcount> I want to get 6.8 stable 03:05 < crythias> except (sorry) I'll also be watching 24 03:05 < crythias> in an hour. 03:05 < perlDreamer> I'd like you to get 6.8 stable, too 03:05 < snapcount> hey... priorities 03:05 < snapcount> perlDreamer: =) 03:06 < snapcount> ok... thx for the pointers 03:06 < crythias> meanwhile, I'll try to get flash running on my fresh FreeBSD 6.0 install 03:06 < crythias> on my laptop 03:06 < snapcount> be back in a bit 03:07 < crythias> 'kay 03:07 < crythias> freaky thing. 03:07 < perlDreamer> it is 6.7 03:07 < crythias> I just realized that I have gobs of space on my laptop hd. I can now run WG on it. *gasp* 03:15 -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat124.mxim.com] has quit [""bye guys""] 03:17 < pbmdawg> GOBSY 03:18 < crythias> heh 03:18 < pbmdawg> DITSHIP 03:18 < crythias> FUM DUCK 03:18 < snapcount> SUPTSUX 03:19 < snapcount> Module Bug? Request filename is missing for URI 03:20 * crythias is starting a new svn on the laptop... 03:20 < snapcount> what kind of error message is that! 03:20 < snapcount> it tells me nothing 03:20 * snapcount convulses 03:20 < crythias> tinymce is taking 03:20 < crythias> too long 03:22 < snapcount> # An array of URLs that WebGUI should leave alone for normal 03:22 < snapcount> # processing by Apache. Anything that begins with these URLs 03:22 < snapcount> # will be entirely ignored by WebGUI 03:22 < snapcount> # passthruUrls => /icons, /documentation/pdf, /my-custom-application, /server-status, /perl-status 03:23 < snapcount> is that right? 03:23 < snapcount> shouldn't that be 03:23 < crythias> yeahbut 03:23 < snapcount> passthruUrls = something => list, list, list 03:23 < pbmdawg> Roy: what's your apache vhost look like 03:23 < snapcount> a text file =) 03:23 < snapcount> j/k 03:23 < snapcount> 03:23 < snapcount> one sec 03:24 < crythias> directives 03:25 < snapcount> I shouldn't have to use those though 03:25 < snapcount> 03:25 < snapcount> ServerName 192.168.0.8 03:25 < snapcount> ServerName www.dev.com 03:25 < snapcount> DocumentRoot /data/domains/dev.com/www/public 03:25 < snapcount> SetHandler perl-script 03:25 < snapcount> PerlInitHandler WebGUI 03:25 < snapcount> PerlSetVar WebguiConfig www.dev.com.conf 03:25 < snapcount> 03:25 < crythias> http://www.plainblack.com/install/upgrade_help/directoryindex-problem-after-upgrade-to-v6.8/re-directoryindex-problem-after-upgrade-to-v6.8.5 03:25 <@WRE> http://tinyurl.com/ab23d 03:25 < snapcount> I saw that 03:25 < snapcount> it's only for indexes though 03:25 < snapcount> like index.php 03:25 < crythias> ok 03:25 < snapcount> thanks though 03:26 < snapcount> what about that config file entry 03:26 < snapcount> is it correct? 03:26 < snapcount> passthruUrls => url, url 03:26 < snapcount> that doesn't seem right 03:26 < crythias> maybe no > 03:26 < crythias> ? 03:26 < crythias> gimme a sec 03:27 < crythias> well, I'm in .svn in Operations 03:27 < pbmdawg> instead of PerlInitHandler, maybe try enclosing the equivalent APR api calls in 03:27 < snapcount> you lost me matt 03:27 < snapcount> I'm a MP2 retard at this point 03:28 < pbmdawg> I'm a MP3 eater. 03:28 < snapcount> matt: do you know if that config file entry is correct? 03:28 < pbmdawg> yeah it's correct 03:28 * crythias shuns mp4 03:28 < snapcount> big arrow 03:28 < snapcount> instead of = 03:28 < snapcount> is right? 03:30 < crythias> finally got svn 03:30 < snapcount> woo hoo 03:30 < pbmdawg> no 03:30 < pbmdawg> should be = 03:30 < snapcount> passthruUrls = url, url, url 03:30 < pbmdawg> passThruUrls = something, other 03:31 < snapcount> ok... I'll try that 03:31 < snapcount> damn example 03:31 < snapcount> grr 03:32 < pbmdawg> if our profiler/tracer/debugger stored/outputted subroutine parameters, we could debug these things way more easily. 03:33 < crythias> What's the theory of JSON? 03:33 < crythias> and why can't the params be stored in a MySQL Table? 03:33 < snapcount> it works on Halloween and kills teenage girls 03:33 < pbmdawg> roy: ha 03:33 < crythias> yeah 03:33 < pbmdawg> crythias: JT, Roy, and I had a 2 hour in-person convo about that 03:34 < snapcount> that was fun 03:34 < crythias> well, I'm getting queried off list, as if I can make a difference or know. 03:34 < crythias> still, JSON seems to be silly. 03:35 < pbmdawg> it's a lot more faster and reliable than PlainConfig 03:35 < snapcount> the explanation I got 03:35 < pbmdawg> and likely faster than mysql. 03:35 < snapcount> is that it handles complex data structs better than PlainConfig 03:35 < pbmdawg> doesn't matter though; it's only parsed once. 03:35 < snapcount> like arrays, and hashes 03:35 < crythias> but ... what's the point and why would you *keep* handling ... yes 03:36 < snapcount> the theory is that the WRE Control Panel will be editing the config file 03:36 < crythias> it's only parsed once. it doesn't matter where the config params are stored. MySQL just makes it easier to manipulate. 03:36 < snapcount> not people 03:37 < crythias> and that changes how? 03:38 < snapcount> what are you referring to 03:38 < snapcount> what changes how? 03:38 < chansen> If it should not be editable by ppl, why not store a binary file instead? 03:38 < crythias> what difference does JSON make to the whole bit... 03:38 < chansen> config files are for human and should be as simple as possible 03:38 < crythias> digg ++ chansen 03:38 < snapcount> I don't know that the goal is to make it such that it can't be editable by people 03:39 < snapcount> like I said 03:39 < snapcount> JT told me he switched to JSON b/c it handles arrays,hashes better than PlainConfig 03:39 < snapcount> not as error prone 03:40 < chansen> I don't see the point, why not store perl data structures instead if you need that complex configs? 03:40 < crythias> yeah. 03:40 < chansen> and it's _alot_ faster 03:40 < snapcount> didn't you just argue that they should be editable by people? 03:40 < crythias> at least then you don't have to parse. 03:41 < snapcount> and simple? 03:41 < crythias> not quite. 03:41 < chansen> snapcount: I do, but i fail to see the reason for JSON in either case 03:41 < crythias> it's overhead. 03:41 < snapcount> overhead when? 03:41 < snapcount> when apache starts 03:41 < chansen> parsing 03:41 < snapcount> it's only read once 03:42 < chansen> is JS data structures easier to grok than perl structures? 03:42 < crythias> it's not hard to learn. 03:42 < crythias> and *gasp* it's not as if it's hard to make the examples work. 03:43 < snapcount> you can make that argument for either format 03:43 < chansen> JSON eq JS data structure 03:43 < snapcount> it's a matter of preferene 03:43 < snapcount> preference 03:43 < crythias> but wg is perl. 03:44 < snapcount> true 03:44 < crythias> wg isn't JS 03:45 < snapcount> I don't know why JT chose one over the other 03:45 < snapcount> I think his thinking is that it won't matter which one it is in the end 03:45 < snapcount> b/c he wants a control panel for editing the configs 03:45 < crythias> then put it in MySQL so we can have a real mgmt interface :) 03:45 < snapcount> it could change 1000x's from now to then 03:46 < snapcount> That may be a possibility 03:46 < snapcount> I'm sure he considered it 03:46 < snapcount> and decided not to use it for one reason or another 03:46 < snapcount> you'll have to ask him 03:46 < crythias> it's not as if speed is a critical factor in all this. 03:47 < chansen> It's definitively not a better idea to edit a config file on fs in a multiprocess/clustered environment 03:48 < chansen> MySQL ensures consistency thanks to ACID 03:48 < crythias> It's been suggested to me that all that's needed in the config is the login for the db. 03:49 < pbmdawg> chansen: how did you come to know so much 03:49 < snapcount> you guys both have good points 03:49 < snapcount> you should post your arguments to the dev list 03:50 < snapcount> kind of pointless to rant about it here 03:50 < chansen> pbmdawg: been in the business for a while :) 03:50 < crythias> good. so we can have "No" 03:50 < crythias> as a response 03:51 < pbmdawg> chansen: so, what are you, like 40? 03:51 < snapcount> so what are you suggesting? 03:51 < chansen> pbmdawg: 30 03:51 < chansen> pbmdawg: started when I was 10 03:51 < snapcount> JT is open to ideas 03:51 < snapcount> he says no alot 03:51 < snapcount> because he has already thought through a lot of the suggestions made 03:51 < crythias> :) 03:52 < snapcount> and found problems with them 03:52 < snapcount> but it's not as if he won't listen to a logical argument and consider things 03:52 < snapcount> he wants WG to be the best 03:52 < snapcount> he has no reason to shoot down valid ideas that are better 03:52 < crythias> yeah. I know. 03:53 < crythias> or I should know by now. 03:53 < snapcount> I just don't want you to be discouraged from presenting ideas b/c he's said no before 03:53 < crythias> btw ... installing my mod_perl2 via port 03:53 < snapcount> just think it through and present it in a sane way and make a clear case 03:55 < snapcount> is port like apt-get or yum? 03:56 < chansen> yes, but only source and usually more stable in my experience 03:57 < chansen> DarwinPorts++ # for image support 03:57 < snapcount> so there is no binary package mgmt in bsd 03:57 < snapcount> everything is compiled locally 03:57 < crythias> oh, yeah, you can get binaries 03:58 < snapcount> oh 03:58 < snapcount> I suppose I'll learn more about bsd when I get my mac 03:58 < crythias> it's just that sometimes it's better to compile versus what you have instead of what the binaries were compiled for 03:58 < snapcount> if they ever ship =) 03:59 < snapcount> ummkay 03:59 < snapcount> the passthruUrls setting is in the session 03:59 < snapcount> that's a plus 03:59 < snapcount> maybe we're making progress 04:00 < snapcount> okay... something is not right here 04:00 < snapcount> if I set a passthruUrl of /donkey 04:00 < pbmdawg> I think you don't specify the initial / 04:00 < snapcount> and goto http://mysite.com/donkey/file_doesn't exist.htm 04:00 < snapcount> I shouldn't get the wg not found page 04:01 < snapcount> I'll try that 04:01 < snapcount> I'm going of the example in the WebGUI.conf.original 04:01 < snapcount> but it was wrong once already 04:01 < snapcount> so hey 04:01 < snapcount> what the hell 04:01 < crythias> why shouldn't you get the not found. 04:01 < snapcount> b/c anything beginning with that url 04:01 < snapcount> is ignored 04:01 < snapcount> it's not handled by webgui at all 04:02 < crythias> 404 is in httpd.conf 04:03 < snapcount> no, I was talking about the wg default page 04:03 < snapcount> not a 404 04:03 < crythias> (20:59:50) snapcount: I shouldn't get the wg not found page 04:03 < snapcount> yep 04:03 < snapcount> the wg not found page 04:03 < snapcount> *wg* 04:03 < snapcount> =) 04:03 < crythias> pb.com wg or ...? 04:04 < snapcount> home 04:04 < snapcount> that's what it is by default 04:04 < snapcount> on a webgui site 04:04 < crythias> ok. 04:04 < snapcount> this is such a horrible way to communicate 04:04 < pbmdawg> that's the truth. 04:04 -!- pbmdawg [n=SysAdmin@CPE-65-31-211-163.kc.res.rr.com] has left #webgui [] 04:04 < snapcount> we need a videconferencing solution 04:04 < crythias> ok 04:05 < snapcount> but then we couldn't work in our underware 04:06 < chansen> force everybody to use a mac, ichat and isight ;) 04:07 < snapcount> that doesn't solve the working in our underware problem =) 04:09 < chansen> well, you could point the camera at the tv ;) 04:09 < snapcount> hehe 04:09 < snapcount> yeah... that is one solution 04:10 < chansen> or just do audio, what i do when my mother calls me at inappropriate times 04:10 < snapcount> whoa 04:10 < snapcount> that's kinda freaky 04:27 < snapcount> son of a bitch 04:27 < snapcount> either I'm using this config file incorrectly 04:27 < snapcount> or this thing is broken 04:27 < snapcount> me thinks the latter 04:28 < snapcount> a little debug code reveals the only url being checked in that foreach 04:28 < snapcount> is extras 04:28 < snapcount> none of my urls for skipping are being listed 04:47 < snapcount> ya know 04:47 < snapcount> damn how irritating is that 04:47 < snapcount> it's a bug 04:47 < snapcount> and it's related to PlainConfig 04:47 < snapcount> how ironic 04:48 < snapcount> if you pass a single pass thru url, it's not read as an array 04:48 < snapcount> so, we have to account for the value being a scalar, or an array to accomodate 04:48 < snapcount> hours of my life wasted 04:48 < crythias> oh my word 04:48 * snapcount beats head into wall 04:49 < crythias> ACK! 04:49 < snapcount> lions, tigers, bears, oh my word! 04:49 < snapcount> err 04:49 < snapcount> something like that 04:49 < crythias> so sorry 04:49 < crythias> dumy 04:49 < snapcount> good one 04:49 < crythias> that is... passthru dummy 04:50 < snapcount> you're losing me 04:50 * snapcount drifts further and further away 04:50 < crythias> make a dummy url as an option 04:50 < snapcount> yeah but that sucks 04:50 < crythias> yeah you're right. 04:50 < snapcount> then that url can never be used 04:50 < snapcount> and god knows 04:50 < snapcount> someone will want to use the one I pick 04:50 < snapcount> =) 04:50 < crythias> so make it $$ 04:50 < snapcount> a;lkjf;akjf;kaj;n;akkje;kjre 04:50 < crythias> yeah 04:51 < snapcount> I tried to make a page called a;lkjf;akjf;kaj;n;akkje;kjre and it doesn't work 04:51 < snapcount> I think it's a bug 04:51 < crythias> pl8sholder 04:51 < snapcount> only_stupid_people_would_name_this_as_a_page 04:51 < crythias> redloh_ecalp 04:52 < snapcount> haha 04:52 < snapcount> I love those 04:52 < crythias> this is direct flip 04:52 < snapcount> I can finally answer this poor soles support request 04:52 < snapcount> er 04:52 < snapcount> souls 04:53 < snapcount> hehe 04:53 < crythias> japloy-aceld 04:53 < snapcount> ooh 04:53 < crythias> can't use > 04:53 < snapcount> a word jumble 04:53 < crythias> no.. 04:54 < crythias> *THAT* is my upside down backwards font 04:54 < snapcount> ahh i c 04:54 < snapcount> you have a font that does that? 04:54 < crythias> no. 04:54 < snapcount> are you *serious* 04:54 < snapcount> oh 04:54 < crythias> I just use arial 04:54 < snapcount> that would be so bad ass 04:54 < crythias> duh 04:54 < snapcount> haha 04:54 < snapcount> what was I thinking 04:55 < crythias> hee 04:55 < crythias> le!je 05:00 < crythias> 24 was eh until the last 5 minutes 05:05 < snapcount> really 05:05 < snapcount> I'm waiting for the DVD set to come out for this season 06:31 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@c-69-139-51-253.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #webgui [] 06:47 -!- chansen [n=chansen@h156n4c1o1099.bredband.skanova.com] has quit ["later dudes!"] 15:04 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #webgui 15:09 -!- lenthamen [n=len@82-148-208-20.fiber.unet.nl] has joined #webgui 15:14 < lenthamen> Martin ? 15:17 < MrHairgrease> len 15:17 < MrHairgrease> whazzup 15:18 < lenthamen> Have you been to the FOSDEM meeting before ? 15:18 < MrHairgrease> only once 15:18 < MrHairgrease> I think in 2003 15:18 < lenthamen> ok. Is it worth it ? 15:18 < MrHairgrease> well 15:18 < MrHairgrease> It was ok to see Koen advertsing WebGUI to RMS 15:19 < MrHairgrease> especially the response of mr stallman was fun 15:19 < MrHairgrease> but it didn't change my life 15:19 < MrHairgrease> essentially it's a bunch of nerds in a bit of a smudgy university with really disgusting toilets 15:20 < MrHairgrease> I went to some lectures 15:20 < MrHairgrease> and they were ok 15:20 < MrHairgrease> but not of real interrest to me 15:20 < lenthamen> ok.... The entrance is for free 15:20 < lenthamen> maybe that's why 15:20 < MrHairgrease> too shallow 15:20 < MrHairgrease> yeah probably 15:20 < MrHairgrease> for instance 15:20 < MrHairgrease> there was a talk about firebird 15:21 < lenthamen> There's also the SANE conference in Delft. 15:21 < MrHairgrease> whats that 15:21 < MrHairgrease> the acronym ring a bell 15:21 < lenthamen> that must be pretty good, but the entrance is really expensive. 15:21 < lenthamen> http://www.sane.nl/ 15:21 < lenthamen> There's a perl workshop 15:22 < lenthamen> http://www.sane.nl/sane2006/perl-workshop.html 15:22 <@WRE> http://tinyurl.com/8alfh 15:23 < MrHairgrease> the fee is not for free 15:23 < MrHairgrease> but also not absurd compared to other conferences 15:24 < MrHairgrease> I can go for only 130 euro's 15:24 < MrHairgrease> just for being a student 15:25 < lenthamen> yeah. For me cost 450 euro 15:25 < lenthamen> that's quite a lot. 15:25 < MrHairgrease> and an additional 95 for the perl workshop 15:25 < MrHairgrease> I know I won't go 15:26 < MrHairgrease> better spend my money on booze, chicks and rock'n'roll 15:26 < lenthamen> hehe 15:26 < MrHairgrease> ok chick not chicks 15:26 < MrHairgrease> she won't aloow extra women on my side 15:26 < MrHairgrease> too bad for me I guess =) 15:26 < lenthamen> that's old fashioned.... 15:27 < lenthamen> ;) 15:27 < MrHairgrease> yeah 15:27 < MrHairgrease> you know Dutch women. 15:27 < MrHairgrease> btw. Marc is also comming to the wossa borrel 15:27 < lenthamen> Did you see the WebGUI::PerformanceProfiler ? 15:27 < lenthamen> who's marc ? 15:28 < MrHairgrease> Marc is our new test guy 15:28 < MrHairgrease> you probably saw him at the euro wuc 15:28 < lenthamen> ok. 15:28 < lenthamen> might be. 15:28 < MrHairgrease> I have seen a bit of the profiler 15:28 < MrHairgrease> you rock man 15:28 < MrHairgrease> injecting code in subs 15:29 < lenthamen> How cool that is :) 15:29 < MrHairgrease> I never thought I would ever play with software using typeglobs 15:29 < MrHairgrease> did you read perlguts btw? 15:29 < lenthamen> nope. 15:29 < lenthamen> There's a chapter on type globs in latest "Programming Perl" 15:30 < MrHairgrease> edition 3? 15:30 < MrHairgrease> my copy is @ procolix so I cannot look it up right now 15:30 < MrHairgrease> but I'll belive you 15:31 < MrHairgrease> seen this 15:31 < MrHairgrease> http://virtualthreads.blogspot.com/2006/02/understanding-memory-usage-on-linux.html 15:31 <@WRE> http://tinyurl.com/dnd9d 15:31 < lenthamen> Sorry, it is in Advanced Perl Programming, 2nd edition (2005) 15:32 < lenthamen> I know the wrong reporting of VM usage on Linux. 15:32 < MrHairgrease> haven't got that one 15:32 < MrHairgrease> ok 15:32 < lenthamen> Can mail it to you if you like. 15:33 < MrHairgrease> yeah sure 15:33 < MrHairgrease> why not 15:33 < lenthamen> hold on. 15:33 * MrHairgrease is holding on 15:33 * MrHairgrease almost looses grip 15:34 < lenthamen> sent. 15:34 < MrHairgrease> .chm? 15:34 < MrHairgrease> what kind of format is that? 15:34 < lenthamen> I'm really waiting for a good book on mod_perl2. 15:35 < lenthamen> windows help format. 15:35 < MrHairgrease> i run linux 15:35 < lenthamen> Not sure if you can open it on linux. 15:35 < MrHairgrease> no worries 15:35 < MrHairgrease> I'll live 15:36 < lenthamen> Check this: http://xchm.sourceforge.net/ 15:37 < MrHairgrease> yeah, i was also googling 15:37 < MrHairgrease> I'm checking my package manager first 15:37 < MrHairgrease> more easier so to say 15:39 < MrHairgrease> bingo 15:41 < MrHairgrease> thanks 15:57 < lenthamen> Do you need "Perl Best Practises" as well ? 15:57 < MrHairgrease> We have that @ procolix already, but a digital copy won't hurt 15:57 < MrHairgrease> zap it over 15:59 < lenthamen> its on its way. 16:00 < MrHairgrease> yes! 16:10 < MrHairgrease> hebbes 16:11 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has joined #webgui 16:30 -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] 16:43 -!- lenthamen [n=len@82-148-208-20.fiber.unet.nl] has left #webgui [] 17:01 < snapcount> Good Morning Vietnam!!!!!!!!!!!! 17:18 -!- pbmdawg [n=SysAdmin@CPE-65-31-211-163.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui 17:57 < snapcount> oompa loompa doopety doo 17:57 -!- mode/#webgui [+o snapcount] by WRE 18:18 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:27 < pbmdawg> bibbity bobbity boo 19:17 -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat124.mxim.com] has joined #webgui 19:17 < perlDreamer> how goes the debug, snapcount? 19:23 < pbmdawg> snapcount is counting snaps in class 19:27 < perlDreamer> one 19:27 < perlDreamer> two 19:27 < perlDreamer> three 19:56 < perlDreamer> four 20:46 -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has joined #webgui 21:10 < crythias> what's new? 21:10 < perlDreamer> as far as I can tell, not a whole lot 21:10 < perlDreamer> everyone must be busy hacking 21:11 * crythias passes ricolla around. 21:52 -!- chansen [n=chansen@h156n4c1o1099.b